Posts by HAL9000

1) Message boards : Number crunching : Time to ditch 'spinning rust' HDD for SSD's? (Message 2133393)
Posted 4 Mar 2024 by Profile HAL9000
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Have switched everything over to M.2 NVMe or at least SATA SSDs for their main drives.
I do still use 6TB HDD for my large RAID array. Now I just need afordable 10TB+ SSD to exist and I will be all set.
Since the 7.5TB enterprise NVMe SSD are $1,500+ I am scared to look at the cost of the 15TB drives.
2) Message boards : Number crunching : Ryzen 2700x anyone using (Message 2003184)
Posted 18 Jul 2019 by Profile HAL9000
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Good to know. how do you get 64 GPUs?


A secret known only to a few, and if he told you he would probably have to kill you ;-)


Tell me first, then kill me.

There are a few, but the easiest way is modifying an xml file so the client believes more to be present. For example my host 7324426
7/18/2019 5:36:57 PM OpenCL: NVIDIA GPU 0: GeForce GTX 750 Ti (driver version 364.51, device version OpenCL 1.2 CUDA, 2048MB, 1967MB available, 1622 GFLOPS peak)
7/18/2019 5:36:57 PM OpenCL: Intel GPU 0: Intel(R) HD Graphics (driver version 10.18.10.4358, device version OpenCL 1.2, 1195MB, 1195MB available, 358 GFLOPS peak)
7/18/2019 5:36:57 PM OpenCL: Intel GPU 1: Intel(R) HD Graphics (driver version 10.18.10.4358, device version OpenCL 1.2, 1195MB, 1195MB available, 358 GFLOPS peak)
7/18/2019 5:36:57 PM OpenCL: Intel GPU 2: Intel(R) HD Graphics (driver version 10.18.10.4358, device version OpenCL 1.2, 1195MB, 1195MB available, 358 GFLOPS peak)
7/18/2019 5:36:57 PM OpenCL CPU: Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU J1900 @ 1.99GHz (OpenCL driver vendor: Intel(R) Corporation, driver version 3.0.1.10891, device version OpenCL 1.2 (Build 76427))

The scheduler code has, or did have, a limit for the number it is willing to accept from the client. So any value over that would be ignored.
3) Message boards : Number crunching : Welcome to the 20 Year Club! (Message 1999771)
Posted 26 Jun 2019 by Profile HAL9000
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My original start date in 1999 is as lost as my original juno email account I used for it.
However, I do recall getting new hardware for my June 1st birthday and having already been running SETI@home back then.

A bit fitting I just upgraded my HTPC to an i5-9600K for my birthday this year after the older hardware finally gave out.
So much better doing multiple tasks in minutes instead of taking over a day to do one task at a time.
4) Message boards : Cafe SETI : 20th Anniversary T-shirts - More in stock (Message 1999757)
Posted 26 Jun 2019 by Profile HAL9000
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Lovely that you have done so much for this again!
Would be great to get 2 - XL. Prefer black but one of each color would be great as well.

Wearing my 15 year shirts around Philadelphia a number of people have asked me about SETI@home and seemed interested. :)
5) Message boards : Number crunching : Welcome to the 19 Year Club! (Message 1935002)
Posted 11 May 2018 by Profile HAL9000
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So many CPU cycles over 19 years.
On day I will have enough points for that toaster!
6) Message boards : Number crunching : Anyone still using a raspberry pi 3 (Message 1927439)
Posted 31 Mar 2018 by Profile HAL9000
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Is it possible to have 1 raspberry pi hand out work units to the other raspberry pi's in a cluster? And have 1 computer account be the go-between of all of them in the cluster and SETI? So that the cluster would look like 1 PC to SETI?

It is possible, but you will need to write the software to do it.
7) Message boards : Number crunching : Come on admit it, you have an E5-2670 crunching on Boinc and/or Seti@Home. How is it doing? (Message 1925722)
Posted 22 Mar 2018 by Profile HAL9000
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I've considered regooping the VRMs and PCH but they are bolted down from the underside side of the MB.
So I would have to completed remove it & that is more work that I have been wanting to do.
8) Message boards : Number crunching : Come on admit it, you have an E5-2670 crunching on Boinc and/or Seti@Home. How is it doing? (Message 1925497)
Posted 21 Mar 2018 by Profile HAL9000
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The BMC temp displays the same value as the PCH temp in other monitoring apps.
9) Message boards : Number crunching : Come on admit it, you have an E5-2670 crunching on Boinc and/or Seti@Home. How is it doing? (Message 1925456)
Posted 20 Mar 2018 by Profile HAL9000
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Comparing the temps to my SC2600CP with two E5-2670's it may normal for that system.

10) Message boards : Number crunching : M$ crazyness (Message 1925455)
Posted 20 Mar 2018 by Profile HAL9000
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This isn't the first time they have had this kind of issue & I doubt it will be the last.
Something that really throws a lot of software for a loop is having a system drive that isn't C:
Most people won't have that specific issue, but as someone that tests software for a living I do like to find weird bugs that make developers walk away saying "how?!"
11) Message boards : Number crunching : Anyone try an ASIC USB stick for SETI crunching? (Message 1923060)
Posted 6 Mar 2018 by Profile HAL9000
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Getting the USB miners to work for Bitcoin Utopia wasn't what one might call "plug-and-play".
A GPU is really plugging the device in and installing a driver.
The miners required manual configuration of BOINC so they would be detected and function correctly.
Which wasn't overly complicated but did have a learning curve to it.
12) Message boards : Number crunching : is there a page that shows when Top Participants was last updated? (Message 1923057)
Posted 6 Mar 2018 by Profile HAL9000
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Judging by the difference between my current score and the score shown in the table, about 13 hours ago. Perhaps assume 'daily' as a plausible interval?

I seem to recall there is something odd about how the stats pages are updated.
Along the lines of when the page is requested it is updated if it hasn't been in the past N hours.
So then the time that each page can be updated gets out of sync after a while and we get people lost between the pages.
13) Message boards : Number crunching : What was once old is new(er? ish?) again. (Message 1922630)
Posted 4 Mar 2018 by Profile HAL9000
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Hal, thanks for the heads up, quick question, does what you run in that batch file nuke your historical information, which would be displayed on the Statistics page in BOINC? I have mine set to save the info for something like 12000 days or some such thing, but I don't believe that this is the issue with that huge file, because the one on the machine I am on now is only around 5 or so meg, and has over a year and a half of data points, about the same as the other one (mid-2016 setup date on both).

The data for the stats graphs are stored in the statistics_[PROJECT_NAME].xml files.
I only have BOINC store the last 760 days since I backup the stat files on each startup.
14) Message boards : Number crunching : What was once old is new(er? ish?) again. (Message 1922323)
Posted 3 Mar 2018 by Profile HAL9000
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Quick question, I was defraging the drive after installing and then removing .net 4.0 as it didn't work (going to try 4.7.1 when it's done) and the defrager I use has a section where it lists large files. I noticed 2 that were pretty huge, and can't imagine they are supposed to be that big unless there is some type of logging situation turned on that I am not aware of. They are both in the ProgramData\BOINC directory, and are called temp_time_stats.xml and time_stats_log.

They are both about 388 meg, which isn't a big deal in the scheme of things, but wondering what they are, if they are both needed and why they might be that big? I checked on my lotsacores box, and they are both there, but are both under 5 meg. Is there a way to shrink them down to this type of size?

As part of my startup bat for BOINC I clear out several files that tend to get left over or are of no use to me.
del time_stats_log
del http*.*
del job_log_*.txt
boinc.exe --skip_cpu_benchmarks --detach
15) Message boards : Number crunching : How can I build a working MB8 OpenCL ATi HD5 exe? (Message 1916965)
Posted 5 Feb 2018 by Profile HAL9000
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I'm not sure what you are trying to build, but you can download the current r3584 version from
Mike's World http://mikesworld.eu/download.html or Raistmer's cloud storage https://cloud.mail.ru/public/3nxq/SgQBZXcM7/

If you need the current source you could contact Raistmer and see where it is stored.
16) Message boards : Number crunching : A very steep decline in Average Credits!!! (Message 1915699)
Posted 29 Jan 2018 by Profile HAL9000
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Just seems to be the usual YMMV.
Meow.

Indeed. Mine has been slowly on the rise for about two weeks.
17) Message boards : Number crunching : See a new Staff Scientist opening posted this past week (Message 1915501)
Posted 27 Jan 2018 by Profile HAL9000
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I wouldn't expect any new staff brought in for Breakthrough Listen to be involved with the day to day actives of SETI@home. It has had the opposite effect so far.
18) Message boards : Number crunching : New Android device. Bad outcome so far (Message 1915453)
Posted 27 Jan 2018 by Profile HAL9000
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Ok so apparently https://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/ is now forbidden so older versions aren't available.
That's because the URL isn't needed as HTTPS.
http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/?C=M;O=D works fine. Or linking directly to the app, be it from HTTP or HTTPS:
http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/boinc_7.4.43.apk
https://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/boinc_7.4.43.apk

7.4.43 plus the Seti applications should work fine on Android 6, it's with 7 and above that there are major problems.
Or as Eric told me once: "Yes, google keeps changing the rules in the name of (a false sense of) security. What's worse, they keep changing the development kit so a command line build of the app no longer works. My last attempt at at an android 7 build resulted in an app that doesn't work. I hope to get a chance to try again soon."

I would guess the http https change for the download directory occurred when http://boinc.berkeley.edu was setup to point to Science United and https://boinc.berkeley.edu pointed to BOINC.
It looks like Science United has been moved to https://boinc.berkeley.edu/scienceunited/

I also had to roll back to 7.4.43 on my Galaxy S4 with 4.4.4 KitKat.
With Google and the device manufactures constantly changing things or doing different implementations it can't be easy for BOINC or the projects to support.
19) Message boards : Number crunching : New Android device. Bad outcome so far (Message 1915385)
Posted 27 Jan 2018 by Profile HAL9000
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I'd say it's software issue. 7.4.43 seems to be the last "good" (AKA working) version. Later versions seem to be nothing but trouble from what i've read on other boards.

Ok so apparently https://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/ is now forbidden so older versions aren't available.

I've made 7.4.43 available here.

Size: 8411162 bytes (8.02 MB)

• CRC32: A76DE89C

• MD5: 746EE89226E2504E387FA24B448C0E1B

• SHA1: 660E25C2105E14F28D2EFE582482B36441CC4049


Or you could download the any of the apks directly from the site.

[https://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/boinc_7.4.43.apk
[https://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/boinc_7.4.44.apk
[https://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/boinc_7.4.45.apk
[https://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/boinc_7.4.46.apk
[https://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/boinc_7.4.47.apk
[https://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/boinc_7.4.48.apk
[https://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/boinc_7.4.49.apk
[https://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/boinc_7.4.50.apk
[https://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/boinc_7.4.51.apk
[https://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/boinc_7.4.52.apk
[https://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/boinc_7.4.53.apk

All they have done is disable directory browsing for the download folder.
20) Message boards : Number crunching : Christmas money pouring into Newegg.... (Message 1914690)
Posted 23 Jan 2018 by Profile HAL9000
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Even though my home made stand is working out fine for me, I have another board that I'd like to remote the video card on, so thought since mining has been booming again recently, I would take a look at what options I had for a reasonably priced, fairly simple stand. I guess before I started looking I should have thought about what happened in the CA gold rush, and how the people who made most of the money were the ones who supplied the miners, not the vast majority of the actual miners, who broke even, or worse.

Did a quick google, hit some links to fleabay and to Amazon, and was shocked to see what they are asking for a few cut pieces of extruded aluminum and some bolts. Mind boggling, They were all at near to Way over $100, which I guess goes along with the situation we're having in video cards right now. $25, 30, maybe, but $150-250? Umm, no. I'll keep looking to see if I can find any sanity out there, or else I'll just have to roll my own again. I'm sure v 2.0 will be much better, and won't have the special Dewalt enhancements on it this time either.. ;-)

Hmmm... I can get a 3 foot lengths of 1/2 inch alum stock at my local hardware store for about $3 & a 100 pack of pop-rivets is about $6. So I could probably put a nice little stand together for around $25.
Perhaps I should start doing that and selling them for $75 to undercut the other guys and make some cash to fund my future hardware...
21) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (109) Server Problems? (Message 1913877)
Posted 19 Jan 2018 by Profile HAL9000
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MW is fine, but IIRC to do something productive there you need to have an AMD GPU, NV stuff has troubles to work with DP used by MW.

Does that changes?

GPUGrid with it's long time to crunch WU is not really a project to use as a backup. IMHO

Milkyway used Double Precision calculations.
Most GeForce GPUs are allowed DP performance of 1/32 SP
Radeon GPUs are allowed DP performance of 1/16 SP

So if both GPUs were 6000 GFLOPS in Single Precision the GeForce would be 188 GFLOPS DP and the Radeon 375 GFLOPS

If you move to the workstation GPUs they will have DP performance of up to 1/2 SP. Which is likely why they have 4 digit price tags.
22) Message boards : Number crunching : 100 WU limit for GPUs is too low. (Message 1913285)
Posted 16 Jan 2018 by Profile HAL9000
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Is there a 'better' database to use than Informix? What does Google use, for example? SQL by MS? And is it practical to switch? Though I have heard of Informix for quite some time, I just Googled it and found that it is an IBM product. I guess I am old, but I thought that IBM had a reputation for doing big iron, and a solid DB? Or has that ossified over the years?

*edit* Just took a closer look at the quick blurb on Google, and this caught my eye: Stable release: 12.10.xC7 / June 15, 2016. I can appreciate having something just work if it ain't broke, but I don't know, it seems to me that over 18 months between stable releases seems like a pretty long time in the compressed IT world we live in now. But then again, what do I know? ;-)

It is the BOINC master database which uses mySQL rather than the science databases that use Informix. The issue is more how SETI@home uses the database.
For all of the tasks assigned to hosts, "results out in the field", the task information is stored in a single table.
So when tasks are assigned, reported, or a host doesn't an update then that table is accessed.
For the hardware running the db the limit of that table turns out to be around 11,000,000 rows. Then it can not longer complete a query fast enough. Which causes the db server to stop and the project to be offline for several hours if not days which recovery is run.

So the solutions are
1) Have more hefty master and replica db servers.
2) Recode how the results are sent to hosts are stored.
3) Limit the number of tasks sent to hosts.

#1 is a stop gap until that hardware hits its limit.
#2 is probably the best solution, but requires dedicated time that isn't available to the project.
#3 easiest to implement and can be adjusted if the db server gets near the limit again.
23) Message boards : Number crunching : 100 WU limit for GPUs is too low. (Message 1913217)
Posted 15 Jan 2018 by Profile HAL9000
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As I just learned there is a maximum of 100 WUs per compute device, or device class, and with an average of about 4-5 minutes per WU, that's a maximum of about 8 hours of work I can store, and with the splitters out all the time recently, this really doesn't cut it.

I'm already out of work for two hours with the current outage.

A cache of 100 tasks is only about an 8 hour cache for my dual E5-2670, or R9 390X as well. When we have shorties it is even less.
There are a few options to handle running out of work during an outage.
1) Have a backup project in BOINC.
2) Let your system(s) have a break when they run out of work.
3) Not run the project.
24) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (109) Server Problems? (Message 1912538)
Posted 12 Jan 2018 by Profile HAL9000
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I don't know what you guys are doing, the time estimates on both of my boxes with GTX1060s are very accurate. I run 2 at a time and they process at the rate of 4 an hour, so they estimate 30 min a task.

I was running my R9 390x 24/7 on it for a few months until I rotated to Milkyway. The only work fetch issue I had was not filling my 5+5 day cache queue. I was only getting ~8 days worth of tasks.
25) Message boards : Number crunching : A very steep decline in Average Credits!!! (Message 1911959)
Posted 9 Jan 2018 by Profile HAL9000
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My RAC is still going up after the server issues in December.
26) Message boards : Number crunching : Anything relating to AstroPulse tasks (Message 1911012)
Posted 5 Jan 2018 by Profile HAL9000
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Since the statement has been made there is no more Arecibo work in hopper, or available, I would say the future of this thread is also in grave doubt.........

Plenty of AP resends still to come, then people can discuss how long it was since they last had an AP WU, and how much Credit they gave compared to MB..
I reckon it's got years of life, even if there is no more AP data to be split.

We can also complain about why nobody is making an app for AP for work from GBT or Parkes.
That should keep the thread alive for years too :-)

I'm reasonably sure that it was mentioned they wanted to do AP for GBT data as well.
The first step requires the guys in the lab have the time to write the new splitter code, or have the budget for interns to tackle it.
Until that is done working on an app to processes non existent workunits wouldn't be much of a priority.
27) Message boards : Number crunching : Project/Stats/Tables.xml (Message 1910795)
Posted 5 Jan 2018 by Profile HAL9000
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The individual user/host/team credit values are being exported normally - that's where BOINCstats and the other similar sites get their data from - but it's the project aggregate values which are missing. BOINCstats obviously recover the aggregate total by summing the individual values as they process them.

Yeah I was searching the other files to see if <nusers>, <nteams>, <nhosts>, and <total_credit> were moved to one of the other files.
Since SETI@home is often a test bed for BOINC changes it seemed reasonable that they might have been moved to a new location.
28) Message boards : Number crunching : Project/Stats/Tables.xml (Message 1910785)
Posted 5 Jan 2018 by Profile HAL9000
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I wasn't sure if it was missing due recent server issues SEI@home has had, but that info is not present in any of the saved stat dumps I have going back to 2017-07.
It doesn't appear to be in the host, team, or user output files either.
29) Message boards : Number crunching : Intel security flaw (Message 1910694)
Posted 4 Jan 2018 by Profile HAL9000
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I am not really worried about these issues for any of my home systems. As my systems would have to already become compromised by an attacker. At which point they could just access any data directly.

How it effects environments like AWS is really my only concern.
30) Message boards : Number crunching : E5-2670 -> E5-2680v2 (Message 1910689)
Posted 4 Jan 2018 by Profile HAL9000
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When I have that problem (compound, or even finger prints) after opening up some of the used CPU's I've bought in the past, I just go to the medicine cabinet and get some 92% rubbing (Isopropyl) alcohol and a lint free cloth, and a couple wipes with fresh spots on the towel each time & it's all gone. At least that's been my experience. I like the higher proof, more concentrated I guess.

I normally start with dry wipes to get whatever will come off free first. Then hit it with rubbing alcohol and I normally use q-tips until they come back clean. I haven't had any issues leaving any q-tip fluff behind, but it is something I watch out for when cleaning contacts that way.
31) Message boards : Number crunching : Intel security flaw (Message 1910453)
Posted 4 Jan 2018 by Profile HAL9000
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So far the details seem to be that some parts of protected kernel memory can be read.
Some sites are reporting that the issue is also present in ARM processors.

MS has issued the patch in November to users in the "fast ring" of updates and Apple pushed out an initial patch in early December.
32) Message boards : Number crunching : The BOINC site is now "Science United". What the...... (Message 1910446)
Posted 4 Jan 2018 by Profile HAL9000
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It has also removed the BOINC download page. So no new users are currently able to join ANY projects.
Unless they with to participate in the Science United Alpha test.

The archived installer are still accessible via /dl at the moment.
33) Message boards : Number crunching : E5-2670 -> E5-2680v2 (Message 1910206)
Posted 3 Jan 2018 by Profile HAL9000
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What motherboard do you have to put the CPUs into?

I have an Intel s2600cp2j from a Natex bundle and kind of wondering if this would work for me too. $59 per CPU upgrade seems pretty good.


I have 2 - one is an ASUS Z9PE-D16 (the one with 4(!)Ethernet ports), the other is an ASROCK Rack EP2C602.

Both have BIOS which should support the V2 CPUs (waiting for them to come to find out for sure!).

Check out the BIOS in yours to see if it will support the V2s; if not, check the MB webpage to see if such a BIOS is available (fingers crossed!).

EDIT: BTW, my machines both make 75-80K RAC, but both have dual GTX 1080s installed, running 3 WUs each.

Luckily the Intel S2600CP MBs do support the v2 processors, up to 135w, and also allow the use of 1866MHz memory with using v2 processors.
I grabbed a few of the E5-2670 S2600CP MB bundles from Natex last year.
I think the worst thing for me will be putting 256GB of 1866MHz in each board after upgrading the CPUs. That stuff still isn't doesn't come cheap.
34) Message boards : Number crunching : Are all CUDA GPUs supported? Is the GT 1030 unsupported? (Message 1910205)
Posted 3 Jan 2018 by Profile HAL9000
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I imagine a GT 1030 rated for 942.3 GFLOPS will be a bit faster than the old 256MB 8500 GT rated for 28.8 GFLOPS I was using for a few years..
Plus the 1030 can run the OpenCL apps. Which tend to run better with some of the newer data from the GBT.

It wouldn't be a bad idea if they updated the System Requirement section on the SETI@home site to indicate GPU requirements.
35) Message boards : Number crunching : Weekly Schedules on Boinc (Message 1908659)
Posted 23 Dec 2017 by Profile HAL9000
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Add in as many cards as will fit in your computer. Then add this option <use_all_gpus>1</use_all_gpus> to your cc_config.xml file in your BOINC directory with Notepad.Then use Re-read config files from the Options menu in the Manager. You should see all the gpu's that are installed picked up in the Event Log. Boinc will use all available resources.

Weeeelllll... Maybe. I found that I had hit the limit of either 5 or 6 on one of my systems with dual proc Xeons and 10 4x PCI-E slots that I am using USB expanders on, and it has I believe 8 or 9 cards hooked up to it that way, but it ran out of memory space if I remember correctly, and I had to disable them one at a time until it would finally boot. I also had to go into the BIOS and disable everything that I could that wasn't necessary, to free up as much as I could. But in the 'normal' world, I'd say yeah, as many as you can get to fit onto the MB. ;-)

I wonder if that would still be an issue with an UEFI MB & UEFI GPUs.
36) Message boards : Number crunching : Weekly Schedules on Boinc (Message 1908623)
Posted 23 Dec 2017 by Profile HAL9000
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Using a start time of 24:00 and an end time of 00:00 will disable network activity.
That allows two ways to have network activity only on specific days.

You can use 24:00-00:00 for the general time parameters and override on the day you want to allow. The inverse can also be used.

Both of these examples will only allow BOINC to use the network for 1 hour on Friday between 13:00 and 14:00


Another option is set the time you want to allow in the general time parameters and then have a script run boinccmd --set_network_mode disable always and boinccmd --set_network_mode enable auto when you wouldl ike BOINC to stop and start network activity.
37) Message boards : Number crunching : Seti@Home or Atropulse? (Message 1908244)
Posted 21 Dec 2017 by Profile HAL9000
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... and the MB credit is highly dependent on the angle rate (ar) of the packet. So is the runtime between different apps.
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/workunit.php?wuid=2784838125
MB can pay more than one credit per second. I have not seen AP do that.

Petri

I have, but it requires a Radeon GPU
38) Message boards : Number crunching : Multicore smartphones - how to use their full potential (Message 1907237)
Posted 15 Dec 2017 by Profile HAL9000
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By enabling Developer options/mode they then make other options, such as screen staying on while on charger, available.
Anything similar for Android phones?

Thanks for the idea!
The phone is now lying face-down on my night stand, continuously running two Seti tasks. I also know now why the CPU would clock down as the temperatures in this state are high. For just two cores running at full blast (and a third being used by the OS), temps have gone up from 25C to 45C and they're still rising. Glad it's cold in the bedroom.

The option is Preferences->Developer options->Stay awake (Screen will never sleep while charging)

I ran No Screen Off on that phone before but it would do so for only 10 minutes (600 seconds). I didn't dare try the other one when I read one or more people bricked their device with it. So this is the easier thing to do.
Of course enabling the Developer options is a pre (Open Settings> About> Software Information> More. Then tap “Build number” seven times to enable Developer options in the main preferences menu.)

Where I wouldn't mind leaving the phone alone and walk out the house, I'll unplug it before doing so later on. Especially with the higher heat build-up of the CPU and charger, I'd rather be home when it's doing stuff.

Reducing the screen brightness can help lower the heat build up on some devices.
39) Message boards : Number crunching : BOINC Manager replacement (Message 1907183)
Posted 15 Dec 2017 by Profile HAL9000
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Personally I find the Processes tab in the Win 10 task manager as useful as the Notices tab in BOINC manager.
40) Message boards : Number crunching : Bug in Top Computers List (Message 1907096)
Posted 14 Dec 2017 by Profile HAL9000
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It looks like your other machine has appeared. With your two hosts holding #30 and #40.
41) Message boards : Number crunching : Bug in Top Computers List (Message 1906914)
Posted 14 Dec 2017 by Profile HAL9000
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This could also be related
Replica seconds behind master 66,571
42) Message boards : Number crunching : Bug in Top Computers List (Message 1906912)
Posted 14 Dec 2017 by Profile HAL9000
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I don't recall what the update interval for the top host pages and other stats are. I was thinking it was around 30min or so, but maybe it is much less frequent.

One of my E5-2670 hosts at #351 displays a RAC of 23,356.36 and a Total of 11,331,790 in the host list. Currently it has a RAC of 24,235.82and a Total of 11,345,668.
That host is granted ~30k a day. So a difference of ~14k tells me the host list data is updating, but a few hours old.
I wonder if the data is being updated only when the daily stats are generated now?

Looking at the top list I see your other host
ID: 8011375, #32, RAC 64,249.27, Total 38,640,886
That host, at the time I'm making this post, has a RAC of 66,949.86 and a Total of 38,682,470.
The stat sites show that host normally is granted 40-80k credit a day and there is currently a difference of ~42K.

I still feel like your host 8188478 , with a RAC of 61K, might be stuck between pages.
43) Message boards : Number crunching : Multicore smartphones - how to use their full potential (Message 1906844)
Posted 13 Dec 2017 by Profile HAL9000
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I was thinking of how in works, at least in Windows, when you launch BOINC with CPU affinity. It launches all child processes with the same affinity.

Ah, I see. Is it any tool in Android to see process/thread affinity like in Windows?

I don't know of any apps that show that info, but if there are apps they might require root access. :/
44) Message boards : Number crunching : Multicore smartphones - how to use their full potential (Message 1906786)
Posted 13 Dec 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

Anyway when the phone is idle (second picture) i see only one core seems active, while when running BOINC (first picture) it seems all are active.
Cheers

That's how should be in case each task crunched on own core andphone uses all his computation nodes for crunching.
in my case 2 tasks launched by BOINC but only 1 CPU of 2 remains active.
So, each task takes ~2 times more elapsed time than CPU time to process and phone itself operates as single core devices.

Maybe the manufacture has limited each process that starts to only use one processor with some kind of processor affinity command.
Based on the behavior you have described that seems like something that may be occurring.

But cause BOINC launches 2 tasks there are 2 independent processes actually. Still they both use CPU 0 and CPU1 get switched off soon I stop touching the screen.

I was thinking of how in works, at least in Windows, when you launch BOINC with CPU affinity. It launches all child processes with the same affinity.
It sounds like some kind of aggressive power saving function.
I'm not sure if the default Android developer options, once enabled, would be of any help.
45) Message boards : Number crunching : Multicore smartphones - how to use their full potential (Message 1906604)
Posted 12 Dec 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

Anyway when the phone is idle (second picture) i see only one core seems active, while when running BOINC (first picture) it seems all are active.
Cheers

That's how should be in case each task crunched on own core andphone uses all his computation nodes for crunching.
in my case 2 tasks launched by BOINC but only 1 CPU of 2 remains active.
So, each task takes ~2 times more elapsed time than CPU time to process and phone itself operates as single core devices.

Maybe the manufacture has limited each process that starts to only use one processor with some kind of processor affinity command.
Based on the behavior you have described that seems like something that may be occurring.
46) Message boards : Number crunching : Multicore smartphones - how to use their full potential (Message 1906602)
Posted 12 Dec 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Another point of comparison:

Host 8398355, currently running S@H and pogs.
[EDIT: Android 5.1.1, LG LTE model K330, in case the host info eventually gets deleted.]

Per CPU-z all 4 cores are running 97-100% at 998 MHz on wall socket, 95-99% at 1094 MHz on battery; listed range being 200MHz to 1.09 GHz

From an example WU: Wall Clock=85,532.95, CPU time=83,848.01 [seconds]

And I vaguely remember that it doesn't do Hyperthreading, but I'm forgetting how I found out.

There is a really quick way to find out if your ARM Snapdragon 210 (8909) processor does SMT.
1. Remember it is an ARM processor and ARM has not implemented SMT.

I would guess that they haven't implemented SMT due to licensing or they don't see a use for it. Given most ARM processors are used in embedded systems where SMT mat not be advantageous.
47) Message boards : Number crunching : Bug in Top Computers List (Message 1906215)
Posted 10 Dec 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
That is a fairly well know issue with how the BOINC server code shows stats.

The issue is something along the lines of:
When someone requests a page for the stats a check is done to see if it has been updated in X amount of time.
If it hasn't it updates then. Otherwise it shows data from the last time it updated.

So if the interval is 20 minutes and someone looks at page 5 then 15 minutes later you look at page 4 and 5.
Page 4 may be up to date but page 5 is 15 minutes old.
48) Message boards : Number crunching : Task Deadline Discussion (Message 1905096)
Posted 6 Dec 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Other sources of useful data available on our end may be on BONCstats
A complete list of Host stats and not just the first 10,000
The Host CPU breakdown to see what kinds of hardware the ~100,000 active hosts are running.

Another consideration to keep in mind regarding the tasks that timed out and were added the ready to send tasks are ghosts that were timing out.
49) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (108) Server Problems? (Message 1904919)
Posted 5 Dec 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
No luck on the Xeon. Maybe I should install the resceduler and see if that helps. Or do I have to have at least one CPU already?

I don't know if rescheduling would help or not. I haven't run into that specific issue myself.
For others swapping settings and poking BOINC with a stick would resolve their issue.

I suppose if rescheduling some tasks does get things flowing a project reset in BOINC might work, but I never like doing a project reset myself.
50) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (108) Server Problems? (Message 1904848)
Posted 4 Dec 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have only got GPU tasks. Anybody got anything for CPU?

Some users have had an issues where their system would not receive CPU tasks when their GPU cache was full.
A workaround is to uncheck the GPU in your project prefs, update to get new settings, and then CPU tasks should be assigned on the next update.
Once you have CPU tasks recheck the GPU in your project prefs.
51) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (108) Server Problems? (Message 1904829)
Posted 4 Dec 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Anybody any thoughts on how quick the RAC should recover after the outage? Mine was quick to drop but has not shown much sign of recovery despite crunching 100% since Saturday morning.

Slowly.
If there are no other unexpected or extended outages I expect mine to be back where it was in a few weeks.
52) Message boards : Number crunching : Welcome to the 18 Year Club! (Message 1904818)
Posted 4 Dec 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I'm off by 3 days, but Happy Birthday Me, WooHoo, Cheers!

Yes things have changed, About 8 months ago I fired up an old 133MHz cpu, and what pops up ... Seti3, LOL, if I could have got a network card to work I would have tried reporting the 1 task that was remaining :D

I have a HDD from an old system that still has stuff from when I was testing BOINC Alpha and the SET@home classic app. However it doesn't seem to have SETI Spy on it for some reason.
53) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (108) Server Problems? (Message 1904815)
Posted 4 Dec 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have ordered with Amazon a treadmill to exercise my legs. I received a big package containing the treadmill and a manual. The manual referred to an electric motor which I could not find in the package. Since it was on Sunday i coud not phone the firm to ask why. So I went to the website, found a blog and discovered that the model I had bought had no electric motor, only a rotating wheel. They had sent me the wrong manual. This happened often when, buying a computer or a printer you got also a manual. Now all you get is a leaflet which gives you some instructions in 20 languages. If you need a manual you have to search for it on the Web.
Tullio

Normally by the time a product hits the shelves the drivers and manuals have been updated at least once. Possibly a few times depending on test/dev cycles.
The printer company I previously worked for released their Linux drivers for CUPS and SANE so backward and future compatibility issues were not often an issue.
Some of the printer and multi-function devices had decent enough processors that could have run SETI@home, but I never got around ti giving it a go.
54) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (108) Server Problems? (Message 1904277)
Posted 2 Dec 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Which, again, is in fact not the science database that runs informix .


Is this along with each's systems OS and primary DB documented anywhere?

You can check the Server Status for most of that information.
https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/show_server_status.php
55) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (108) Server Problems? (Message 1904273)
Posted 2 Dec 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Since the issue is with the SETI@home science database and not the master or replica databases I'm not sure how how the deadlines would even be relevant.
Given the data is stored in the science database after it has been validated.

The reason for the serverside limits was due to the load on master database and it falling over or just plain getting bogged down.

That is correct. Either the MySQL database software or the hardware the BOINC master db system is using couldn't handle scanning a table of 11,000,000+ tasks several hundred, or thousand?, times a second.

Which, again, is in fact not the science database that runs informix .
56) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (108) Server Problems? (Message 1904260)
Posted 1 Dec 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I too have wondered why SETI has stuck with the extremely long deadlines I assess were implemented for the original hardware used on the project. That kind of hardware is 18 years in the past and does not need to continue to be supported. I agree with you Jeff, I would expect the sizes of databases and the strain they put on the project would be greatly lessened if the deadlines were reduced by a month, lets say from the current 2 month deadline.

As I understand it, the reason there has been no adjustment is because Eric does not wish to disenfranchise anybody from participating in this project.

And that would include folks with very meager hardware resources. Not everybody can afford what some of us are able to.

That is why.

Since the issue is with the SETI@home science database and not the master or replica databases I'm not sure how how the deadlines would even be relevant.
Given the data is stored in the science database after it has been validated.
57) Message boards : Number crunching : Modest GPU upgrade suggestions? (Message 1904150)
Posted 1 Dec 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
If you are looking at current models.
As mentioned the GeForce GTX 1050 or 1050 Ti are probably the best low cost performance options.
If even lower cost is desired the Radeon RX 550 or RX 560 would also work.

Older generation GPUs could possibly be found new or more likely used.
58) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (108) Server Problems? (Message 1904110)
Posted 1 Dec 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
From the Informix site:

Fast, Always-on Transactions

Provides one of the industry’s widest sets of options for keeping data available at all times, including zero downtime for maintenance.

Sure. Under specific conditions, and provided you don't need do anything like lock a table while writing data.
59) Message boards : Number crunching : Disappearing credits (Message 1904105)
Posted 1 Dec 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
It would depend on if you were looking at the external stat sites or the project sites for your credit.
The external stat sites sometimes, in my experience, have issues correctly showing user credit.
FreeDC currently shows your account had "-43,863,353" yesterday and is not currently displaying SETI@home under your list of projects.


BOINCstats shows your credit over the past 2 years has only increased for SETI@home.
60) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (108) Server Problems? (Message 1904101)
Posted 1 Dec 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Eric mentioned Informix, which I suspect is IBM's Informix DB, probably waiting on a new build from them. Or at minimum awaiting an undocumented config switch as a temp work-a-round. There was some backend working happening last night, perhaps they gave it a go and ran into further issues.

It is that and last I heard we are on an older version of it.
I would hope it is a well know issue they ran into and time, because of the large size of the db, is the only factor.
61) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (108) Server Problems? (Message 1904085)
Posted 1 Dec 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
It's all fine. The project will be back in January. Maybe a little earlier than that.
Which January?

Yes.

But in all seriousness.
I can only imagine they meant January for the year 3141.
62) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (108) Server Problems? (Message 1903856)
Posted 30 Nov 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Just had a look at my request backoffs.
The GPUs just finished some AP work, so their backoffs are only 20min.
The CPU backoff is 15hrs. A bit extreme IMHO.

That is just 1 of the reasons why I've stuck with the old BOINC version that I use, back offs never exceed 4hrs.

Cheers.

I'm not sure what causes the large backoffs in the new versions of BOINC but I don't see those on SET@home.
I believe that project backoffs are reset when there is a successful upload or other communication? So that may be related.
I set NNT until ~2PM today on my E5-2670 system, but it looks like my other systems keep talking to the servers about every 5 min according to the timestamps on my list of computes.
All of them currently have task on hand, but the R9 390X host is set to not do any GPU processing at the moment. It's only running CPDN CPU tasks and building up GPU work.
63) Message boards : Number crunching : "infinite" runtime on Intel GPU tasks (Message 1903749)
Posted 30 Nov 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Ok, I think I get it now. I'll stop running iGPU and see if anything changes. Everything else has been running fine before...I think? We'll see if anything improves. One last thing and I'll let this go: when my iGPU work units are running, it says it is using a fraction of a CPU + the iGPU. The last WU I ran, for example, is using 0.00314 CPU + 1 Intel GPU. I assumed that for that work unit that is all the unit needed to crunch. My four CPUs are all running tasks, one with the NVIDIA, two dedicated to their WUs, and I am assuming the last one just decides to run one non-GPU WU, but keeping a fraction of its power on the side for the iGPU.

Thanks again for the help!

GPGPU crunching is a bit more finicky than CPU crunching. The latest driver may not be the greatest or even usable for SETI@home tasks. Intel has been really bad about that in the past.
Using the iGPU can also cause CPU tasks to run longer. Resulting in the net output of a host to be less than when not using the iGPU.
It can depend on how you run your system if it is effective to utilize the iGPU or not. I use the iGPU on system that don't run CPU work as there are no issues in that config.

The default "CPU usage" you are seeing in BOINC for the tasks is used for scheduling purposes. It is not an indicator of the amount of CPU the GPU app is using or actually needs.
Unlike the CUDA apps the OpenCL apps need a free CPU resource to work most effectively.
There a few a few different want to do that in BOINC.
One way is to adjust your "Use at most x% of the CPUs" value to free up a processor.
Another way, which is somewhat nice, is by making an app_config.xml to specify the resources needed for the applications. The link to the BOINC wiki describes all of it's features, where it goes, and such.
Here is an example of a basic app_config you could use.
<app_config>
	<app>
		<name>setiathome_v8</name>
		<gpu_versions>
			<gpu_usage>1.0</gpu_usage>
			<cpu_usage>1.0</cpu_usage>
		</gpu_versions>
	</app>
</app_config>

Which would then display (1 CPU + 1 GPU) for your running GPU tasks.
64) Message boards : Number crunching : "infinite" runtime on Intel GPU tasks (Message 1903360)
Posted 29 Nov 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Having a look over your task that ran for ~4 days before BOINC decided it ran to long there are a few things that don't look great. There are 22 restarts of the task and a number of times the GPU "can be found"
It could be the iGPU driver is crashing or possibly the notebook monitor is going to sleep causing the iGPU to be unavailable.

Here is the stderr output from that task. So we have it once the task you processed gets cleared out of the system.
<core_client_version>7.8.3</core_client_version>
<![CDATA[
<message>
exceeded elapsed time limit 351252.56 (3820442.55G/10.88G)</message>
<stderr_txt>
Running on device number: 0
Priority of worker thread raised successfully
Priority of process adjusted successfully, below normal priority class used
OpenCL platform detected: Intel(R) Corporation
BOINC assigns device 0
Info: BOINC provided OpenCL device ID used

Build features: SETI8	Non-graphics	OpenCL	USE_OPENCL_INTEL	OCL_SYNCHED	OCL_ZERO_COPY	OCL_CHIRP3	FFTW	USE_SSSE3	x86	
     CPUID:        Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-3520M CPU @ 2.90GHz 

     Cache: L1=64K L2=256K

CPU features: FPU TSC PAE CMPXCHG8B APIC SYSENTER MTRR CMOV/CCMP MMX FXSAVE/FXRSTOR SSE SSE2 HT SSE3 SSSE3 SSE4.1 SSE4.2 AVX 
OpenCL-kernels filename : MultiBeam_Kernels_r3541.cl 
ar=0.388345  NumCfft=206031  NumGauss=1216523176  NumPulse=226417552714  NumTriplet=452832676104
Currently allocated 209 MB for GPU buffers
In v_BaseLineSmooth: NumDataPoints=1048576, BoxCarLength=8192, NumPointsInChunk=32768

Windows optimized setiathome_v8 application
Based on Intel, Core 2-optimized v8-nographics V5.13 by Alex Kan
SSSE3xj Win32 Build 3541 , Ported by : Raistmer, JDWhale

SETI8 update by Raistmer

OpenCL version by Raistmer, r3541

Number of OpenCL platforms:				 2


 OpenCL Platform Name:					 Intel(R) OpenCL
Number of devices:				 1
  Max compute units:				 16
  Max work group size:				 512
  Max clock frequency:				 350Mhz
  Max memory allocation:			 425721856
  Cache type:					 Read/Write
  Cache line size:				 64
  Cache size:					 2097152
  Global memory size:				 1702887424
  Constant buffer size:				 65536
  Max number of constant args:			 8
  Local memory type:				 Scratchpad
  Local memory size:				 65536
  Queue properties:				 
    Out-of-Order:				 No
  Name:						 Intel(R) HD Graphics 4000
  Vendor:					 Intel(R) Corporation
  Driver version:				 8.15.10.2639
  Version:					 OpenCL 1.1 
  Extensions:					 cl_khr_icd cl_khr_global_int32_base_atomics cl_khr_global_int32_extended_atomics cl_khr_local_int32_base_atomics cl_khr_local_int32_extended_atomics cl_khr_gl_sharing cl_khr_d3d10_sharing cl_intel_dx9_media_sharing cl_khr_3d_image_writes cl_khr_byte_addressable_store 


 OpenCL Platform Name:					 NVIDIA CUDA
Number of devices:				 1
  Max compute units:				 2
  Max work group size:				 1024
  Max clock frequency:				 950Mhz
  Max memory allocation:			 268435456
  Cache type:					 Read/Write
  Cache line size:				 128
  Cache size:					 32768
  Global memory size:				 1073741824
  Constant buffer size:				 65536
  Max number of constant args:			 9
  Local memory type:				 Scratchpad
  Local memory size:				 49152
  Queue properties:				 
    Out-of-Order:				 Yes
  Name:						 NVS 5400M
  Vendor:					 NVIDIA Corporation
  Driver version:				 377.35
  Version:					 OpenCL 1.1 CUDA
  Extensions:					 cl_khr_global_int32_base_atomics cl_khr_global_int32_extended_atomics cl_khr_local_int32_base_atomics cl_khr_local_int32_extended_atomics cl_khr_fp64 cl_khr_byte_addressable_store cl_khr_icd cl_khr_gl_sharing cl_nv_compiler_options cl_nv_device_attribute_query cl_nv_pragma_unroll cl_nv_d3d9_sharing cl_nv_d3d10_sharing cl_khr_d3d10_sharing cl_nv_d3d11_sharing cl_nv_copy_opts cl_nv_create_buffer


Work Unit Info:
...............
Credit multiplier is :  2.85
WU true angle range is :  0.388345
Used GPU device parameters are:
	Number of compute units: 16
	Single buffer allocation size: 128MB
	Total device global memory: 1624MB
	max WG size: 512
	local mem type: Real
	LotOfMem path: no
	LowPerformanceGPU path: no
	HighPerformanceGPU path: no
period_iterations_num=50
Running on device number: 0
Priority of worker thread raised successfully
Priority of process adjusted successfully, below normal priority class used
OpenCL platform detected: Intel(R) Corporation
BOINC assigns device 0
Info: BOINC provided OpenCL device ID used

Build features: SETI8	Non-graphics	OpenCL	USE_OPENCL_INTEL	OCL_SYNCHED	OCL_ZERO_COPY	OCL_CHIRP3	FFTW	USE_SSSE3	x86	
     CPUID:        Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-3520M CPU @ 2.90GHz 

     Cache: L1=64K L2=256K

CPU features: FPU TSC PAE CMPXCHG8B APIC SYSENTER MTRR CMOV/CCMP MMX FXSAVE/FXRSTOR SSE SSE2 HT SSE3 SSSE3 SSE4.1 SSE4.2 AVX 
OpenCL-kernels filename : MultiBeam_Kernels_r3541.cl 
ar=0.388345  NumCfft=206031  NumGauss=1216523176  NumPulse=226417552714  NumTriplet=452832676104
Currently allocated 209 MB for GPU buffers
In v_BaseLineSmooth: NumDataPoints=1048576, BoxCarLength=8192, NumPointsInChunk=32768

Windows optimized setiathome_v8 application
Based on Intel, Core 2-optimized v8-nographics V5.13 by Alex Kan
SSSE3xj Win32 Build 3541 , Ported by : Raistmer, JDWhale

SETI8 update by Raistmer

OpenCL version by Raistmer, r3541

Number of OpenCL platforms:				 2


 OpenCL Platform Name:					 Intel(R) OpenCL
Number of devices:				 1
  Max compute units:				 16
  Max work group size:				 512
  Max clock frequency:				 350Mhz
  Max memory allocation:			 425721856
  Cache type:					 Read/Write
  Cache line size:				 64
  Cache size:					 2097152
  Global memory size:				 1702887424
  Constant buffer size:				 65536
  Max number of constant args:			 8
  Local memory type:				 Scratchpad
  Local memory size:				 65536
  Queue properties:				 
    Out-of-Order:				 No
  Name:						 Intel(R) HD Graphics 4000
  Vendor:					 Intel(R) Corporation
  Driver version:				 8.15.10.2639
  Version:					 OpenCL 1.1 
  Extensions:					 cl_khr_icd cl_khr_global_int32_base_atomics cl_khr_global_int32_extended_atomics cl_khr_local_int32_base_atomics cl_khr_local_int32_extended_atomics cl_khr_gl_sharing cl_khr_d3d10_sharing cl_intel_dx9_media_sharing cl_khr_3d_image_writes cl_khr_byte_addressable_store 


 OpenCL Platform Name:					 NVIDIA CUDA
Number of devices:				 1
  Max compute units:				 2
  Max work group size:				 1024
  Max clock frequency:				 950Mhz
  Max memory allocation:			 268435456
  Cache type:					 Read/Write
  Cache line size:				 128
  Cache size:					 32768
  Global memory size:				 1073741824
  Constant buffer size:				 65536
  Max number of constant args:			 9
  Local memory type:				 Scratchpad
  Local memory size:				 49152
  Queue properties:				 
    Out-of-Order:				 Yes
  Name:						 NVS 5400M
  Vendor:					 NVIDIA Corporation
  Driver version:				 377.35
  Version:					 OpenCL 1.1 CUDA
  Extensions:					 cl_khr_global_int32_base_atomics cl_khr_global_int32_extended_atomics cl_khr_local_int32_base_atomics cl_khr_local_int32_extended_atomics cl_khr_fp64 cl_khr_byte_addressable_store cl_khr_icd cl_khr_gl_sharing cl_nv_compiler_options cl_nv_device_attribute_query cl_nv_pragma_unroll cl_nv_d3d9_sharing cl_nv_d3d10_sharing cl_khr_d3d10_sharing cl_nv_d3d11_sharing cl_nv_copy_opts cl_nv_create_buffer


Work Unit Info:
...............
Credit multiplier is :  2.85
WU true angle range is :  0.388345
Used GPU device parameters are:
	Number of compute units: 16
	Single buffer allocation size: 128MB
	Total device global memory: 1624MB
	max WG size: 512
	local mem type: Real
	LotOfMem path: no
	LowPerformanceGPU path: no
	HighPerformanceGPU path: no
period_iterations_num=50
Running on device number: 0
Priority of worker thread raised successfully
Priority of process adjusted successfully, below normal priority class used
OpenCL platform detected: Intel(R) Corporation
BOINC assigns device 0
Info: BOINC provided OpenCL device ID used

Build features: SETI8	Non-graphics	OpenCL	USE_OPENCL_INTEL	OCL_SYNCHED	OCL_ZERO_COPY	OCL_CHIRP3	FFTW	USE_SSSE3	x86	
     CPUID:        Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-3520M CPU @ 2.90GHz 

     Cache: L1=64K L2=256K

CPU features: FPU TSC PAE CMPXCHG8B APIC SYSENTER MTRR CMOV/CCMP MMX FXSAVE/FXRSTOR SSE SSE2 HT SSE3 SSSE3 SSE4.1 SSE4.2 AVX 
OpenCL-kernels filename : MultiBeam_Kernels_r3541.cl 
ar=0.388345  NumCfft=206031  NumGauss=1216523176  NumPulse=226417552714  NumTriplet=452832676104
Currently allocated 209 MB for GPU buffers
In v_BaseLineSmooth: NumDataPoints=1048576, BoxCarLength=8192, NumPointsInChunk=32768

Windows optimized setiathome_v8 application
Based on Intel, Core 2-optimized v8-nographics V5.13 by Alex Kan
SSSE3xj Win32 Build 3541 , Ported by : Raistmer, JDWhale

SETI8 update by Raistmer

OpenCL version by Raistmer, r3541

Number of OpenCL platforms:				 2


 OpenCL Platform Name:					 Intel(R) OpenCL
Number of devices:				 1
  Max compute units:				 16
  Max work group size:				 512
  Max clock frequency:				 350Mhz
  Max memory allocation:			 425721856
  Cache type:					 Read/Write
  Cache line size:				 64
  Cache size:					 2097152
  Global memory size:				 1702887424
  Constant buffer size:				 65536
  Max number of constant args:			 8
  Local memory type:				 Scratchpad
  Local memory size:				 65536
  Queue properties:				 
    Out-of-Order:				 No
  Name:						 Intel(R) HD Graphics 4000
  Vendor:					 Intel(R) Corporation
  Driver version:				 8.15.10.2639
  Version:					 OpenCL 1.1 
  Extensions:					 cl_khr_icd cl_khr_global_int32_base_atomics cl_khr_global_int32_extended_atomics cl_khr_local_int32_base_atomics cl_khr_local_int32_extended_atomics cl_khr_gl_sharing cl_khr_d3d10_sharing cl_intel_dx9_media_sharing cl_khr_3d_image_writes cl_khr_byte_addressable_store 


 OpenCL Platform Name:					 NVIDIA CUDA
Number of devices:				 1
  Max compute units:				 2
  Max work group size:				 1024
  Max clock frequency:				 950Mhz
  Max memory allocation:			 268435456
  Cache type:					 Read/Write
  Cache line size:				 128
  Cache size:					 32768
  Global memory size:				 1073741824
  Constant buffer size:				 65536
  Max number of constant args:			 9
  Local memory type:				 Scratchpad
  Local memory size:				 49152
  Queue properties:				 
    Out-of-Order:				 Yes
  Name:						 NVS 5400M
  Vendor:					 NVIDIA Corporation
  Driver version:				 377.35
  Version:					 OpenCL 1.1 CUDA
  Extensions:					 cl_khr_global_int32_base_atomics cl_khr_global_int32_extended_atomics cl_khr_local_int32_base_atomics cl_khr_local_int32_extended_atomics cl_khr_fp64 cl_khr_byte_addressable_store cl_khr_icd cl_khr_gl_sharing cl_nv_compiler_options cl_nv_device_attribute_query cl_nv_pragma_unroll cl_nv_d3d9_sharing cl_nv_d3d10_sharing cl_khr_d3d10_sharing cl_nv_d3d11_sharing cl_nv_copy_opts cl_nv_create_buffer


Work Unit Info:
...............
Credit multiplier is :  2.85
WU true angle range is :  0.388345
Used GPU device parameters are:
	Number of compute units: 16
	Single buffer allocation size: 128MB
	Total device global memory: 1624MB
	max WG size: 512
	local mem type: Real
	LotOfMem path: no
	LowPerformanceGPU path: no
	HighPerformanceGPU path: no
period_iterations_num=50
Running on device number: 0
Priority of worker thread raised successfully
Priority of process adjusted successfully, below normal priority class used
OpenCL platform detected: Intel(R) Corporation
BOINC assigns device 0
Info: BOINC provided OpenCL device ID used

Build features: SETI8	Non-graphics	OpenCL	USE_OPENCL_INTEL	OCL_SYNCHED	OCL_ZERO_COPY	OCL_CHIRP3	FFTW	USE_SSSE3	x86	
     CPUID:        Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-3520M CPU @ 2.90GHz 

     Cache: L1=64K L2=256K

CPU features: FPU TSC PAE CMPXCHG8B APIC SYSENTER MTRR CMOV/CCMP MMX FXSAVE/FXRSTOR SSE SSE2 HT SSE3 SSSE3 SSE4.1 SSE4.2 AVX 
OpenCL-kernels filename : MultiBeam_Kernels_r3541.cl 
ar=0.388345  NumCfft=206031  NumGauss=1216523176  NumPulse=226417552714  NumTriplet=452832676104
Currently allocated 209 MB for GPU buffers
In v_BaseLineSmooth: NumDataPoints=1048576, BoxCarLength=8192, NumPointsInChunk=32768

Windows optimized setiathome_v8 application
Based on Intel, Core 2-optimized v8-nographics V5.13 by Alex Kan
SSSE3xj Win32 Build 3541 , Ported by : Raistmer, JDWhale

SETI8 update by Raistmer

OpenCL version by Raistmer, r3541

Number of OpenCL platforms:				 2


 OpenCL Platform Name:					 Intel(R) OpenCL
Number of devices:				 1
  Max compute units:				 16
  Max work group size:				 512
  Max clock frequency:				 350Mhz
  Max memory allocation:			 425721856
  Cache type:					 Read/Write
  Cache line size:				 64
  Cache size:					 2097152
  Global memory size:				 1702887424
  Constant buffer size:				 65536
  Max number of constant args:			 8
  Local memory type:				 Scratchpad
  Local memory size:				 65536
  Queue properties:				 
    Out-of-Order:				 No
  Name:						 Intel(R) HD Graphics 4000
  Vendor:					 Intel(R) Corporation
  Driver version:				 8.15.10.2639
  Version:					 OpenCL 1.1 
  Extensions:					 cl_khr_icd cl_khr_global_int32_base_atomics cl_khr_global_int32_extended_atomics cl_khr_local_int32_base_atomics cl_khr_local_int32_extended_atomics cl_khr_gl_sharing cl_khr_d3d10_sharing cl_intel_dx9_media_sharing cl_khr_3d_image_writes cl_khr_byte_addressable_store 


 OpenCL Platform Name:					 NVIDIA CUDA
Number of devices:				 1
  Max compute units:				 2
  Max work group size:				 1024
  Max clock frequency:				 950Mhz
  Max memory allocation:			 268435456
  Cache type:					 Read/Write
  Cache line size:				 128
  Cache size:					 32768
  Global memory size:				 1073741824
  Constant buffer size:				 65536
  Max number of constant args:			 9
  Local memory type:				 Scratchpad
  Local memory size:				 49152
  Queue properties:				 
    Out-of-Order:				 Yes
  Name:						 NVS 5400M
  Vendor:					 NVIDIA Corporation
  Driver version:				 377.35
  Version:					 OpenCL 1.1 CUDA
  Extensions:					 cl_khr_global_int32_base_atomics cl_khr_global_int32_extended_atomics cl_khr_local_int32_base_atomics cl_khr_local_int32_extended_atomics cl_khr_fp64 cl_khr_byte_addressable_store cl_khr_icd cl_khr_gl_sharing cl_nv_compiler_options cl_nv_device_attribute_query cl_nv_pragma_unroll cl_nv_d3d9_sharing cl_nv_d3d10_sharing cl_khr_d3d10_sharing cl_nv_d3d11_sharing cl_nv_copy_opts cl_nv_create_buffer


Work Unit Info:
...............
Credit multiplier is :  2.85
WU true angle range is :  0.388345
Used GPU device parameters are:
	Number of compute units: 16
	Single buffer allocation size: 128MB
	Total device global memory: 1624MB
	max WG size: 512
	local mem type: Real
	LotOfMem path: no
	LowPerformanceGPU path: no
	HighPerformanceGPU path: no
period_iterations_num=50
Running on device number: 0
Priority of worker thread raised successfully
Priority of process adjusted successfully, below normal priority class used
OpenCL platform detected: Intel(R) Corporation
BOINC assigns device 0
Info: BOINC provided OpenCL device ID used

Build features: SETI8	Non-graphics	OpenCL	USE_OPENCL_INTEL	OCL_SYNCHED	OCL_ZERO_COPY	OCL_CHIRP3	FFTW	USE_SSSE3	x86	
     CPUID:        Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-3520M CPU @ 2.90GHz 

     Cache: L1=64K L2=256K

CPU features: FPU TSC PAE CMPXCHG8B APIC SYSENTER MTRR CMOV/CCMP MMX FXSAVE/FXRSTOR SSE SSE2 HT SSE3 SSSE3 SSE4.1 SSE4.2 AVX 
OpenCL-kernels filename : MultiBeam_Kernels_r3541.cl 
ar=0.388345  NumCfft=206031  NumGauss=1216523176  NumPulse=226417552714  NumTriplet=452832676104
Currently allocated 209 MB for GPU buffers
In v_BaseLineSmooth: NumDataPoints=1048576, BoxCarLength=8192, NumPointsInChunk=32768

Windows optimized setiathome_v8 application
Based on Intel, Core 2-optimized v8-nographics V5.13 by Alex Kan
SSSE3xj Win32 Build 3541 , Ported by : Raistmer, JDWhale

SETI8 update by Raistmer

OpenCL version by Raistmer, r3541

Number of OpenCL platforms:				 2


 OpenCL Platform Name:					 Intel(R) OpenCL
Number of devices:				 1
  Max compute units:				 16
  Max work group size:				 512
  Max clock frequency:				 350Mhz
  Max memory allocation:			 425721856
  Cache type:					 Read/Write
  Cache line size:				 64
  Cache size:					 2097152
  Global memory size:				 1702887424
  Constant buffer size:				 65536
  Max number of constant args:			 8
  Local memory type:				 Scratchpad
  Local memory size:				 65536
  Queue properties:				 
    Out-of-Order:				 No
  Name:						 Intel(R) HD Graphics 4000
  Vendor:					 Intel(R) Corporation
  Driver version:				 8.15.10.2639
  Version:					 OpenCL 1.1 
  Extensions:					 cl_khr_icd cl_khr_global_int32_base_atomics cl_khr_global_int32_extended_atomics cl_khr_local_int32_base_atomics cl_khr_local_int32_extended_atomics cl_khr_gl_sharing cl_khr_d3d10_sharing cl_intel_dx9_media_sharing cl_khr_3d_image_writes cl_khr_byte_addressable_store 


 OpenCL Platform Name:					 NVIDIA CUDA
Number of devices:				 1
  Max compute units:				 2
  Max work group size:				 1024
  Max clock frequency:				 950Mhz
  Max memory allocation:			 268435456
  Cache type:					 Read/Write
  Cache line size:				 128
  Cache size:					 32768
  Global memory size:				 1073741824
  Constant buffer size:				 65536
  Max number of constant args:			 9
  Local memory type:				 Scratchpad
  Local memory size:				 49152
  Queue properties:				 
    Out-of-Order:				 Yes
  Name:						 NVS 5400M
  Vendor:					 NVIDIA Corporation
  Driver version:				 377.35
  Version:					 OpenCL 1.1 CUDA
  Extensions:					 cl_khr_global_int32_base_atomics cl_khr_global_int32_extended_atomics cl_khr_local_int32_base_atomics cl_khr_local_int32_extended_atomics cl_khr_fp64 cl_khr_byte_addressable_store cl_khr_icd cl_khr_gl_sharing cl_nv_compiler_options cl_nv_device_attribute_query cl_nv_pragma_unroll cl_nv_d3d9_sharing cl_nv_d3d10_sharing cl_khr_d3d10_sharing cl_nv_d3d11_sharing cl_nv_copy_opts cl_nv_create_buffer


Work Unit Info:
...............
Credit multiplier is :  2.85
WU true angle range is :  0.388345
Used GPU device parameters are:
	Number of compute units: 16
	Single buffer allocation size: 128MB
	Total device global memory: 1624MB
	max WG size: 512
	local mem type: Real
	LotOfMem path: no
	LowPerformanceGPU path: no
	HighPerformanceGPU path: no
period_iterations_num=50
Running on device number: 0
Priority of worker thread raised successfully
Priority of process adjusted successfully, below normal priority class used
OpenCL platform detected: Intel(R) Corporation
BOINC assigns device 0
Info: BOINC provided OpenCL device ID used

Build features: SETI8	Non-graphics	OpenCL	USE_OPENCL_INTEL	OCL_SYNCHED	OCL_ZERO_COPY	OCL_CHIRP3	FFTW	USE_SSSE3	x86	
     CPUID:        Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-3520M CPU @ 2.90GHz 

     Cache: L1=64K L2=256K

CPU features: FPU TSC PAE CMPXCHG8B APIC SYSENTER MTRR CMOV/CCMP MMX FXSAVE/FXRSTOR SSE SSE2 HT SSE3 SSSE3 SSE4.1 SSE4.2 AVX 
OpenCL-kernels filename : MultiBeam_Kernels_r3541.cl 
ar=0.388345  NumCfft=206031  NumGauss=1216523176  NumPulse=226417552714  NumTriplet=452832676104
Currently allocated 209 MB for GPU buffers
In v_BaseLineSmooth: NumDataPoints=1048576, BoxCarLength=8192, NumPointsInChunk=32768

Windows optimized setiathome_v8 application
Based on Intel, Core 2-optimized v8-nographics V5.13 by Alex Kan
SSSE3xj Win32 Build 3541 , Ported by : Raistmer, JDWhale

SETI8 update by Raistmer

OpenCL version by Raistmer, r3541

Number of OpenCL platforms:				 2


 OpenCL Platform Name:					 Intel(R) OpenCL
Number of devices:				 1
  Max compute units:				 16
  Max work group size:				 512
  Max clock frequency:				 350Mhz
  Max memory allocation:			 425721856
  Cache type:					 Read/Write
  Cache line size:				 64
  Cache size:					 2097152
  Global memory size:				 1702887424
  Constant buffer size:				 65536
  Max number of constant args:			 8
  Local memory type:				 Scratchpad
  Local memory size:				 65536
  Queue properties:				 
    Out-of-Order:				 No
  Name:						 Intel(R) HD Graphics 4000
  Vendor:					 Intel(R) Corporation
  Driver version:				 8.15.10.2639
  Version:					 OpenCL 1.1 
  Extensions:					 cl_khr_icd cl_khr_global_int32_base_atomics cl_khr_global_int32_extended_atomics cl_khr_local_int32_base_atomics cl_khr_local_int32_extended_atomics cl_khr_gl_sharing cl_khr_d3d10_sharing cl_intel_dx9_media_sharing cl_khr_3d_image_writes cl_khr_byte_addressable_store 


 OpenCL Platform Name:					 NVIDIA CUDA
Number of devices:				 1
  Max compute units:				 2
  Max work group size:				 1024
  Max clock frequency:				 950Mhz
  Max memory allocation:			 268435456
  Cache type:					 Read/Write
  Cache line size:				 128
  Cache size:					 32768
  Global memory size:				 1073741824
  Constant buffer size:				 65536
  Max number of constant args:			 9
  Local memory type:				 Scratchpad
  Local memory size:				 49152
  Queue properties:				 
    Out-of-Order:				 Yes
  Name:						 NVS 5400M
  Vendor:					 NVIDIA Corporation
  Driver version:				 377.35
  Version:					 OpenCL 1.1 CUDA
  Extensions:					 cl_khr_global_int32_base_atomics cl_khr_global_int32_extended_atomics cl_khr_local_int32_base_atomics cl_khr_local_int32_extended_atomics cl_khr_fp64 cl_khr_byte_addressable_store cl_khr_icd cl_khr_gl_sharing cl_nv_compiler_options cl_nv_device_attribute_query cl_nv_pragma_unroll cl_nv_d3d9_sharing cl_nv_d3d10_sharing cl_khr_d3d10_sharing cl_nv_d3d11_sharing cl_nv_copy_opts cl_nv_create_buffer


Work Unit Info:
...............
Credit multiplier is :  2.85
WU true angle range is :  0.388345
Used GPU device parameters are:
	Number of compute units: 16
	Single buffer allocation size: 128MB
	Total device global memory: 1624MB
	max WG size: 512
	local mem type: Real
	LotOfMem path: no
	LowPerformanceGPU path: no
	HighPerformanceGPU path: no
period_iterations_num=50
Running on device number: 0
Priority of worker thread raised successfully
Priority of process adjusted successfully, below normal priority class used
OpenCL platform detected: Intel(R) Corporation
BOINC assigns device 0
Info: BOINC provided OpenCL device ID used

Build features: SETI8	Non-graphics	OpenCL	USE_OPENCL_INTEL	OCL_SYNCHED	OCL_ZERO_COPY	OCL_CHIRP3	FFTW	USE_SSSE3	x86	
     CPUID:        Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-3520M CPU @ 2.90GHz 

     Cache: L1=64K L2=256K

CPU features: FPU TSC PAE CMPXCHG8B APIC SYSENTER MTRR CMOV/CCMP MMX FXSAVE/FXRSTOR SSE SSE2 HT SSE3 SSSE3 SSE4.1 SSE4.2 AVX 
OpenCL-kernels filename : MultiBeam_Kernels_r3541.cl 
ar=0.388345  NumCfft=206031  NumGauss=1216523176  NumPulse=226417552714  NumTriplet=452832676104
Currently allocated 209 MB for GPU buffers
In v_BaseLineSmooth: NumDataPoints=1048576, BoxCarLength=8192, NumPointsInChunk=32768

Windows optimized setiathome_v8 application
Based on Intel, Core 2-optimized v8-nographics V5.13 by Alex Kan
SSSE3xj Win32 Build 3541 , Ported by : Raistmer, JDWhale

SETI8 update by Raistmer

OpenCL version by Raistmer, r3541

Number of OpenCL platforms:				 2


 OpenCL Platform Name:					 Intel(R) OpenCL
Number of devices:				 1
  Max compute units:				 16
  Max work group size:				 512
  Max clock frequency:				 350Mhz
  Max memory allocation:			 425721856
  Cache type:					 Read/Write
  Cache line size:				 64
  Cache size:					 2097152
  Global memory size:				 1702887424
  Constant buffer size:				 65536
  Max number of constant args:			 8
  Local memory type:				 Scratchpad
  Local memory size:				 65536
  Queue properties:				 
    Out-of-Order:				 No
  Name:						 Intel(R) HD Graphics 4000
  Vendor:					 Intel(R) Corporation
  Driver version:				 8.15.10.2639
  Version:					 OpenCL 1.1 
  Extensions:					 cl_khr_icd cl_khr_global_int32_base_atomics cl_khr_global_int32_extended_atomics cl_khr_local_int32_base_atomics cl_khr_local_int32_extended_atomics cl_khr_gl_sharing cl_khr_d3d10_sharing cl_intel_dx9_media_sharing cl_khr_3d_image_writes cl_khr_byte_addressable_store 


 OpenCL Platform Name:					 NVIDIA CUDA
Number of devices:				 1
  Max compute units:				 2
  Max work group size:				 1024
  Max clock frequency:				 950Mhz
  Max memory allocation:			 268435456
  Cache type:					 Read/Write
  Cache line size:				 128
  Cache size:					 32768
  Global memory size:				 1073741824
  Constant buffer size:				 65536
  Max number of constant args:			 9
  Local memory type:				 Scratchpad
  Local memory size:				 49152
  Queue properties:				 
    Out-of-Order:				 Yes
  Name:						 NVS 5400M
  Vendor:					 NVIDIA Corporation
  Driver version:				 377.35
  Version:					 OpenCL 1.1 CUDA
  Extensions:					 cl_khr_global_int32_base_atomics cl_khr_global_int32_extended_atomics cl_khr_local_int32_base_atomics cl_khr_local_int32_extended_atomics cl_khr_fp64 cl_khr_byte_addressable_store cl_khr_icd cl_khr_gl_sharing cl_nv_compiler_options cl_nv_device_attribute_query cl_nv_pragma_unroll cl_nv_d3d9_sharing cl_nv_d3d10_sharing cl_khr_d3d10_sharing cl_nv_d3d11_sharing cl_nv_copy_opts cl_nv_create_buffer


Work Unit Info:
...............
Credit multiplier is :  2.85
WU true angle range is :  0.388345
Used GPU device parameters are:
	Number of compute units: 16
	Single buffer allocation size: 128MB
	Total device global memory: 1624MB
	max WG size: 512
	local mem type: Real
	LotOfMem path: no
	LowPerformanceGPU path: no
	HighPerformanceGPU path: no
period_iterations_num=50
Running on device number: 0
Priority of worker thread raised successfully
Priority of process adjusted successfully, below normal priority class used
OpenCL platform detected: Intel(R) Corporation
BOINC assigns device 0
Info: BOINC provided OpenCL device ID used

Build features: SETI8	Non-graphics	OpenCL	USE_OPENCL_INTEL	OCL_SYNCHED	OCL_ZERO_COPY	OCL_CHIRP3	FFTW	USE_SSSE3	x86	
     CPUID:        Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-3520M CPU @ 2.90GHz 

     Cache: L1=64K L2=256K

CPU features: FPU TSC PAE CMPXCHG8B APIC SYSENTER MTRR CMOV/CCMP MMX FXSAVE/FXRSTOR SSE SSE2 HT SSE3 SSSE3 SSE4.1 SSE4.2 AVX 
OpenCL-kernels filename : MultiBeam_Kernels_r3541.cl 
ar=0.388345  NumCfft=206031  NumGauss=1216523176  NumPulse=226417552714  NumTriplet=452832676104
Currently allocated 209 MB for GPU buffers
In v_BaseLineSmooth: NumDataPoints=1048576, BoxCarLength=8192, NumPointsInChunk=32768

Windows optimized setiathome_v8 application
Based on Intel, Core 2-optimized v8-nographics V5.13 by Alex Kan
SSSE3xj Win32 Build 3541 , Ported by : Raistmer, JDWhale

SETI8 update by Raistmer

OpenCL version by Raistmer, r3541

Number of OpenCL platforms:				 2


 OpenCL Platform Name:					 Intel(R) OpenCL
Number of devices:				 1
  Max compute units:				 16
  Max work group size:				 512
  Max clock frequency:				 350Mhz
  Max memory allocation:			 425721856
  Cache type:					 Read/Write
  Cache line size:				 64
  Cache size:					 2097152
  Global memory size:				 1702887424
  Constant buffer size:				 65536
  Max number of constant args:			 8
  Local memory type:				 Scratchpad
  Local memory size:				 65536
  Queue properties:				 
    Out-of-Order:				 No
  Name:						 Intel(R) HD Graphics 4000
  Vendor:					 Intel(R) Corporation
  Driver version:				 8.15.10.2639
  Version:					 OpenCL 1.1 
  Extensions:					 cl_khr_icd cl_khr_global_int32_base_atomics cl_khr_global_int32_extended_atomics cl_khr_local_int32_base_atomics cl_khr_local_int32_extended_atomics cl_khr_gl_sharing cl_khr_d3d10_sharing cl_intel_dx9_media_sharing cl_khr_3d_image_writes cl_khr_byte_addressable_store 


 OpenCL Platform Name:					 NVIDIA CUDA
Number of devices:				 1
  Max compute units:				 2
  Max work group size:				 1024
  Max clock frequency:				 950Mhz
  Max memory allocation:			 268435456
  Cache type:					 Read/Write
  Cache line size:				 128
  Cache size:					 32768
  Global memory size:				 1073741824
  Constant buffer size:				 65536
  Max number of constant args:			 9
  Local memory type:				 Scratchpad
  Local memory size:				 49152
  Queue properties:				 
    Out-of-Order:				 Yes
  Name:						 NVS 5400M
  Vendor:					 NVIDIA Corporation
  Driver version:				 377.35
  Version:					 OpenCL 1.1 CUDA
  Extensions:					 cl_khr_global_int32_base_atomics cl_khr_global_int32_extended_atomics cl_khr_local_int32_base_atomics cl_khr_local_int32_extended_atomics cl_khr_fp64 cl_khr_byte_addressable_store cl_khr_icd cl_khr_gl_sharing cl_nv_compiler_options cl_nv_device_attribute_query cl_nv_pragma_unroll cl_nv_d3d9_sharing cl_nv_d3d10_sharing cl_khr_d3d10_sharing cl_nv_d3d11_sharing cl_nv_copy_opts cl_nv_create_buffer


Work Unit Info:
...............
Credit multiplier is :  2.85
WU true angle range is :  0.388345
Used GPU device parameters are:
	Number of compute units: 16
	Single buffer allocation size: 128MB
	Total device global memory: 1624MB
	max WG size: 512
	local mem type: Real
	LotOfMem path: no
	LowPerformanceGPU path: no
	HighPerformanceGPU path: no
period_iterations_num=50
Running on device number: 0
Priority of worker thread raised successfully
Priority of process adjusted successfully, below normal priority class used
OpenCL platform detected: Intel(R) Corporation
BOINC assigns device 0
Info: BOINC provided OpenCL device ID used

Build features: SETI8	Non-graphics	OpenCL	USE_OPENCL_INTEL	OCL_SYNCHED	OCL_ZERO_COPY	OCL_CHIRP3	FFTW	USE_SSSE3	x86	
     CPUID:        Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-3520M CPU @ 2.90GHz 

     Cache: L1=64K L2=256K

CPU features: FPU TSC PAE CMPXCHG8B APIC SYSENTER MTRR CMOV/CCMP MMX FXSAVE/FXRSTOR SSE SSE2 HT SSE3 SSSE3 SSE4.1 SSE4.2 AVX 
OpenCL-kernels filename : MultiBeam_Kernels_r3541.cl 
ar=0.388345  NumCfft=206031  NumGauss=1216523176  NumPulse=226417552714  NumTriplet=452832676104
Currently allocated 209 MB for GPU buffers
In v_BaseLineSmooth: NumDataPoints=1048576, BoxCarLength=8192, NumPointsInChunk=32768

Windows optimized setiathome_v8 application
Based on Intel, Core 2-optimized v8-nographics V5.13 by Alex Kan
SSSE3xj Win32 Build 3541 , Ported by : Raistmer, JDWhale

SETI8 update by Raistmer

OpenCL version by Raistmer, r3541

Number of OpenCL platforms:				 2


 OpenCL Platform Name:					 Intel(R) OpenCL
Number of devices:				 1
  Max compute units:				 16
  Max work group size:				 512
  Max clock frequency:				 350Mhz
  Max memory allocation:			 425721856
  Cache type:					 Read/Write
  Cache line size:				 64
  Cache size:					 2097152
  Global memory size:				 1702887424
  Constant buffer size:				 65536
  Max number of constant args:			 8
  Local memory type:				 Scratchpad
  Local memory size:				 65536
  Queue properties:				 
    Out-of-Order:				 No
  Name:						 Intel(R) HD Graphics 4000
  Vendor:					 Intel(R) Corporation
  Driver version:				 8.15.10.2639
  Version:					 OpenCL 1.1 
  Extensions:					 cl_khr_icd cl_khr_global_int32_base_atomics cl_khr_global_int32_extended_atomics cl_khr_local_int32_base_atomics cl_khr_local_int32_extended_atomics cl_khr_gl_sharing cl_khr_d3d10_sharing cl_intel_dx9_media_sharing cl_khr_3d_image_writes cl_khr_byte_addressable_store 


 OpenCL Platform Name:					 NVIDIA CUDA
Number of devices:				 1
  Max compute units:				 2
  Max work group size:				 1024
  Max clock frequency:				 950Mhz
  Max memory allocation:			 268435456
  Cache type:					 Read/Write
  Cache line size:				 128
  Cache size:					 32768
  Global memory size:				 1073741824
  Constant buffer size:				 65536
  Max number of constant args:			 9
  Local memory type:				 Scratchpad
  Local memory size:				 49152
  Queue properties:				 
    Out-of-Order:				 Yes
  Name:						 NVS 5400M
  Vendor:					 NVIDIA Corporation
  Driver version:				 377.35
  Version:					 OpenCL 1.1 CUDA
  Extensions:					 cl_khr_global_int32_base_atomics cl_khr_global_int32_extended_atomics cl_khr_local_int32_base_atomics cl_khr_local_int32_extended_atomics cl_khr_fp64 cl_khr_byte_addressable_store cl_khr_icd cl_khr_gl_sharing cl_nv_compiler_options cl_nv_device_attribute_query cl_nv_pragma_unroll cl_nv_d3d9_sharing cl_nv_d3d10_sharing cl_khr_d3d10_sharing cl_nv_d3d11_sharing cl_nv_copy_opts cl_nv_create_buffer


Work Unit Info:
...............
Credit multiplier is :  2.85
WU true angle range is :  0.388345
Used GPU device parameters are:
	Number of compute units: 16
	Single buffer allocation size: 128MB
	Total device global memory: 1624MB
	max WG size: 512
	local mem type: Real
	LotOfMem path: no
	LowPerformanceGPU path: no
	HighPerformanceGPU path: no
period_iterations_num=50
Running on device number: 0
Priority of worker thread raised successfully
Priority of process adjusted successfully, below normal priority class used
OpenCL platform detected: Intel(R) Corporation
BOINC assigns device 0
Info: BOINC provided OpenCL device ID used

Build features: SETI8	Non-graphics	OpenCL	USE_OPENCL_INTEL	OCL_SYNCHED	OCL_ZERO_COPY	OCL_CHIRP3	FFTW	USE_SSSE3	x86	
     CPUID:        Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-3520M CPU @ 2.90GHz 

     Cache: L1=64K L2=256K

CPU features: FPU TSC PAE CMPXCHG8B APIC SYSENTER MTRR CMOV/CCMP MMX FXSAVE/FXRSTOR SSE SSE2 HT SSE3 SSSE3 SSE4.1 SSE4.2 AVX 
OpenCL-kernels filename : MultiBeam_Kernels_r3541.cl 
ar=0.388345  NumCfft=206031  NumGauss=1216523176  NumPulse=226417552714  NumTriplet=452832676104
Currently allocated 209 MB for GPU buffers
In v_BaseLineSmooth: NumDataPoints=1048576, BoxCarLength=8192, NumPointsInChunk=32768

Windows optimized setiathome_v8 application
Based on Intel, Core 2-optimized v8-nographics V5.13 by Alex Kan
SSSE3xj Win32 Build 3541 , Ported by : Raistmer, JDWhale

SETI8 update by Raistmer

OpenCL version by Raistmer, r3541

Number of OpenCL platforms:				 2


 OpenCL Platform Name:					 Intel(R) OpenCL
Number of devices:				 1
  Max compute units:				 16
  Max work group size:				 512
  Max clock frequency:				 350Mhz
  Max memory allocation:			 425721856
  Cache type:					 Read/Write
  Cache line size:				 64
  Cache size:					 2097152
  Global memory size:				 1702887424
  Constant buffer size:				 65536
  Max number of constant args:			 8
  Local memory type:				 Scratchpad
  Local memory size:				 65536
  Queue properties:				 
    Out-of-Order:				 No
  Name:						 Intel(R) HD Graphics 4000
  Vendor:					 Intel(R) Corporation
  Driver version:				 8.15.10.2639
  Version:					 OpenCL 1.1 
  Extensions:					 cl_khr_icd cl_khr_global_int32_base_atomics cl_khr_global_int32_extended_atomics cl_khr_local_int32_base_atomics cl_khr_local_int32_extended_atomics cl_khr_gl_sharing cl_khr_d3d10_sharing cl_intel_dx9_media_sharing cl_khr_3d_image_writes cl_khr_byte_addressable_store 


 OpenCL Platform Name:					 NVIDIA CUDA
Number of devices:				 1
  Max compute units:				 2
  Max work group size:				 1024
  Max clock frequency:				 950Mhz
  Max memory allocation:			 268435456
  Cache type:					 Read/Write
  Cache line size:				 128
  Cache size:					 32768
  Global memory size:				 1073741824
  Constant buffer size:				 65536
  Max number of constant args:			 9
  Local memory type:				 Scratchpad
  Local memory size:				 49152
  Queue properties:				 
    Out-of-Order:				 Yes
  Name:						 NVS 5400M
  Vendor:					 NVIDIA Corporation
  Driver version:				 377.35
  Version:					 OpenCL 1.1 CUDA
  Extensions:					 cl_khr_global_int32_base_atomics cl_khr_global_int32_extended_atomics cl_khr_local_int32_base_atomics cl_khr_local_int32_extended_atomics cl_khr_fp64 cl_khr_byte_addressable_store cl_khr_icd cl_khr_gl_sharing cl_nv_compiler_options cl_nv_device_attribute_query cl_nv_pragma_unroll cl_nv_d3d9_sharing cl_nv_d3d10_sharing cl_khr_d3d10_sharing cl_nv_d3d11_sharing cl_nv_copy_opts cl_nv_create_buffer


Work Unit Info:
...............
Credit multiplier is :  2.85
WU true angle range is :  0.388345
Used GPU device parameters are:
	Number of compute units: 16
	Single buffer allocation size: 128MB
	Total device global memory: 1624MB
	max WG size: 512
	local mem type: Real
	LotOfMem path: no
	LowPerformanceGPU path: no
	HighPerformanceGPU path: no
period_iterations_num=50
Running on device number: 0
Priority of worker thread raised successfully
Priority of process adjusted successfully, below normal priority class used
OpenCL platform detected: Intel(R) Corporation
BOINC assigns device 0
Info: BOINC provided OpenCL device ID used

Build features: SETI8	Non-graphics	OpenCL	USE_OPENCL_INTEL	OCL_SYNCHED	OCL_ZERO_COPY	OCL_CHIRP3	FFTW	USE_SSSE3	x86	
     CPUID:        Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-3520M CPU @ 2.90GHz 

     Cache: L1=64K L2=256K

CPU features: FPU TSC PAE CMPXCHG8B APIC SYSENTER MTRR CMOV/CCMP MMX FXSAVE/FXRSTOR SSE SSE2 HT SSE3 SSSE3 SSE4.1 SSE4.2 AVX 
OpenCL-kernels filename : MultiBeam_Kernels_r3541.cl 
ar=0.388345  NumCfft=206031  NumGauss=1216523176  NumPulse=226417552714  NumTriplet=452832676104
Currently allocated 209 MB for GPU buffers
In v_BaseLineSmooth: NumDataPoints=1048576, BoxCarLength=8192, NumPointsInChunk=32768

Windows optimized setiathome_v8 application
Based on Intel, Core 2-optimized v8-nographics V5.13 by Alex Kan
SSSE3xj Win32 Build 3541 , Ported by : Raistmer, JDWhale

SETI8 update by Raistmer

OpenCL version by Raistmer, r3541

Number of OpenCL platforms:				 2


 OpenCL Platform Name:					 Intel(R) OpenCL
Number of devices:				 1
  Max compute units:				 16
  Max work group size:				 512
  Max clock frequency:				 350Mhz
  Max memory allocation:			 425721856
  Cache type:					 Read/Write
  Cache line size:				 64
  Cache size:					 2097152
  Global memory size:				 1702887424
  Constant buffer size:				 65536
  Max number of constant args:			 8
  Local memory type:				 Scratchpad
  Local memory size:				 65536
  Queue properties:				 
    Out-of-Order:				 No
  Name:						 Intel(R) HD Graphics 4000
  Vendor:					 Intel(R) Corporation
  Driver version:				 8.15.10.2639
  Version:					 OpenCL 1.1 
  Extensions:					 cl_khr_icd cl_khr_global_int32_base_atomics cl_khr_global_int32_extended_atomics cl_khr_local_int32_base_atomics cl_khr_local_int32_extended_atomics cl_khr_gl_sharing cl_khr_d3d10_sharing cl_intel_dx9_media_sharing cl_khr_3d_image_writes cl_khr_byte_addressable_store 


 OpenCL Platform Name:					 NVIDIA CUDA
Number of devices:				 1
  Max compute units:				 2
  Max work group size:				 1024
  Max clock frequency:				 950Mhz
  Max memory allocation:			 268435456
  Cache type:					 Read/Write
  Cache line size:				 128
  Cache size:					 32768
  Global memory size:				 1073741824
  Constant buffer size:				 65536
  Max number of constant args:			 9
  Local memory type:				 Scratchpad
  Local memory size:				 49152
  Queue properties:				 
    Out-of-Order:				 Yes
  Name:						 NVS 5400M
  Vendor:					 NVIDIA Corporation
  Driver version:				 377.35
  Version:					 OpenCL 1.1 CUDA
  Extensions:					 cl_khr_global_int32_base_atomics cl_khr_global_int32_extended_atomics cl_khr_local_int32_base_atomics cl_khr_local_int32_extended_atomics cl_khr_fp64 cl_khr_byte_addressable_store cl_khr_icd cl_khr_gl_sharing cl_nv_compiler_options cl_nv_device_attribute_query cl_nv_pragma_unroll cl_nv_d3d9_sharing cl_nv_d3d10_sharing cl_khr_d3d10_sharing cl_nv_d3d11_sharing cl_nv_copy_opts cl_nv_create_buffer


Work Unit Info:
...............
Credit multiplier is :  2.85
WU true angle range is :  0.388345
Used GPU device parameters are:
	Number of compute units: 16
	Single buffer allocation size: 128MB
	Total device global memory: 1624MB
	max WG size: 512
	local mem type: Real
	LotOfMem path: no
	LowPerformanceGPU path: no
	HighPerformanceGPU path: no
period_iterations_num=50
Running on device number: 0
Priority of worker thread raised successfully
Priority of process adjusted successfully, below normal priority class used
OpenCL platform detected: Intel(R) Corporation
BOINC assigns device 0
Info: BOINC provided OpenCL device ID used

Build features: SETI8	Non-graphics	OpenCL	USE_OPENCL_INTEL	OCL_SYNCHED	OCL_ZERO_COPY	OCL_CHIRP3	FFTW	USE_SSSE3	x86	
     CPUID:        Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-3520M CPU @ 2.90GHz 

     Cache: L1=64K L2=256K

CPU features: FPU TSC PAE CMPXCHG8B APIC SYSENTER MTRR CMOV/CCMP MMX FXSAVE/FXRSTOR SSE SSE2 HT SSE3 SSSE3 SSE4.1 SSE4.2 AVX 
OpenCL-kernels filename : MultiBeam_Kernels_r3541.cl 
ar=0.388345  NumCfft=206031  NumGauss=1216523176  NumPulse=226417552714  NumTriplet=452832676104
Currently allocated 209 MB for GPU buffers
In v_BaseLineSmooth: NumDataPoints=1048576, BoxCarLength=8192, NumPointsInChunk=32768

Windows optimized setiathome_v8 application
Based on Intel, Core 2-optimized v8-nographics V5.13 by Alex Kan
SSSE3xj Win32 Build 3541 , Ported by : Raistmer, JDWhale

SETI8 update by Raistmer

OpenCL version by Raistmer, r3541

Number of OpenCL platforms:				 2


 OpenCL Platform Name:					 Intel(R) OpenCL
Number of devices:				 1
  Max compute units:				 16
  Max work group size:				 512
  Max clock frequency:				 350Mhz
  Max memory allocation:			 425721856
  Cache type:					 Read/Write
  Cache line size:				 64
  Cache size:					 2097152
  Global memory size:				 1702887424
  Constant buffer size:				 65536
  Max number of constant args:			 8
  Local memory type:				 Scratchpad
  Local memory size:				 65536
  Queue properties:				 
    Out-of-Order:				 No
  Name:						 Intel(R) HD Graphics 4000
  Vendor:					 Intel(R) Corporation
  Driver version:				 8.15.10.2639
  Version:					 OpenCL 1.1 
  Extensions:					 cl_khr_icd cl_khr_global_int32_base_atomics cl_khr_global_int32_extended_atomics cl_khr_local_int32_base_atomics cl_khr_local_int32_extended_atomics cl_khr_gl_sharing cl_khr_d3d10_sharing cl_intel_dx9_media_sharing cl_khr_3d_image_writes cl_khr_byte_addressable_store 


 OpenCL Platform Name:					 NVIDIA CUDA
Number of devices:				 1
  Max compute units:				 2
  Max work group size:				 1024
  Max clock frequency:				 950Mhz
  Max memory allocation:			 268435456
  Cache type:					 Read/Write
  Cache line size:				 128
  Cache size:					 32768
  Global memory size:				 1073741824
  Constant buffer size:				 65536
  Max number of constant args:			 9
  Local memory type:				 Scratchpad
  Local memory size:				 49152
  Queue properties:				 
    Out-of-Order:				 Yes
  Name:						 NVS 5400M
  Vendor:					 NVIDIA Corporation
  Driver version:				 377.35
  Version:					 OpenCL 1.1 CUDA
  Extensions:					 cl_khr_global_int32_base_atomics cl_khr_global_int32_extended_atomics cl_khr_local_int32_base_atomics cl_khr_local_int32_extended_atomics cl_khr_fp64 cl_khr_byte_addressable_store cl_khr_icd cl_khr_gl_sharing cl_nv_compiler_options cl_nv_device_attribute_query cl_nv_pragma_unroll cl_nv_d3d9_sharing cl_nv_d3d10_sharing cl_khr_d3d10_sharing cl_nv_d3d11_sharing cl_nv_copy_opts cl_nv_create_buffer


Work Unit Info:
...............
Credit multiplier is :  2.85
WU true angle range is :  0.388345
Used GPU device parameters are:
	Number of compute units: 16
	Single buffer allocation size: 128MB
	Total device global memory: 1624MB
	max WG size: 512
	local mem type: Real
	LotOfMem path: no
	LowPerformanceGPU path: no
	HighPerformanceGPU path: no
period_iterations_num=50
Running on device number: 0
Priority of worker thread raised successfully
Priority of process adjusted successfully, below normal priority class used
GPU not found: type=intel_gpu, opencl_device_index=0, device_num=-1
WARNING: boinc_get_opencl_ids failed with code -1
OpenCL platform detected: NVIDIA Corporation
WARNING: BOINC supplied wrong platform!
BOINC assigns device 0
WARNING: BOINC failed to provide OpenCL device, using own enumeration abilities

Build features: SETI8	Non-graphics	OpenCL	USE_OPENCL_INTEL	OCL_SYNCHED	OCL_ZERO_COPY	OCL_CHIRP3	FFTW	USE_SSSE3	x86	
     CPUID:        Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-3520M CPU @ 2.90GHz 

     Cache: L1=64K L2=256K

CPU features: FPU TSC PAE CMPXCHG8B APIC SYSENTER MTRR CMOV/CCMP MMX FXSAVE/FXRSTOR SSE SSE2 HT SSE3 SSSE3 SSE4.1 SSE4.2 AVX 
Low-performance GPU detected, default period_iterations_num set to 500
OpenCL-kernels filename : MultiBeam_Kernels_r3541.cl 
ar=0.388345  NumCfft=206031  NumGauss=1216523176  NumPulse=226417552714  NumTriplet=452832676104
Currently allocated 209 MB for GPU buffers
In v_BaseLineSmooth: NumDataPoints=1048576, BoxCarLength=8192, NumPointsInChunk=32768

Windows optimized setiathome_v8 application
Based on Intel, Core 2-optimized v8-nographics V5.13 by Alex Kan
SSSE3xj Win32 Build 3541 , Ported by : Raistmer, JDWhale

SETI8 update by Raistmer

OpenCL version by Raistmer, r3541

Number of OpenCL platforms:				 1


 OpenCL Platform Name:					 NVIDIA CUDA
Number of devices:				 1
  Max compute units:				 2
  Max work group size:				 1024
  Max clock frequency:				 950Mhz
  Max memory allocation:			 268435456
  Cache type:					 Read/Write
  Cache line size:				 128
  Cache size:					 32768
  Global memory size:				 1073741824
  Constant buffer size:				 65536
  Max number of constant args:			 9
  Local memory type:				 Scratchpad
  Local memory size:				 49152
  Queue properties:				 
    Out-of-Order:				 Yes
  Name:						 NVS 5400M
  Vendor:					 NVIDIA Corporation
  Driver version:				 377.35
  Version:					 OpenCL 1.1 CUDA
  Extensions:					 cl_khr_global_int32_base_atomics cl_khr_global_int32_extended_atomics cl_khr_local_int32_base_atomics cl_khr_local_int32_extended_atomics cl_khr_fp64 cl_khr_byte_addressable_store cl_khr_icd cl_khr_gl_sharing cl_nv_compiler_options cl_nv_device_attribute_query cl_nv_pragma_unroll cl_nv_d3d9_sharing cl_nv_d3d10_sharing cl_khr_d3d10_sharing cl_nv_d3d11_sharing cl_nv_copy_opts cl_nv_create_buffer


Work Unit Info:
...............
Credit multiplier is :  2.85
WU true angle range is :  0.388345
Used GPU device parameters are:
	Number of compute units: 2
	Single buffer allocation size: 128MB
	Total device global memory: 1024MB
	max WG size: 1024
	local mem type: Real
	LotOfMem path: no
	LowPerformanceGPU path: yes
	HighPerformanceGPU path: no
period_iterations_num=500
Spike: peak=24.88204, time=11.74, d_freq=1420709497.2, chirp=0.3697, fft_len=32k
Spike: peak=24.5963, time=11.74, d_freq=1420709497.18, chirp=0.44365, fft_len=32k
GPU device sync requested...  ...GPU device synched
Termination request detected or computations are finished. GPU device synched,  exiting...
Running on device number: 0
Priority of worker thread raised successfully
Priority of process adjusted successfully, below normal priority class used
GPU not found: type=intel_gpu, opencl_device_index=0, device_num=-1
WARNING: boinc_get_opencl_ids failed with code -1
OpenCL platform detected: NVIDIA Corporation
WARNING: BOINC supplied wrong platform!
BOINC assigns device 0
WARNING: BOINC failed to provide OpenCL device, using own enumeration abilities

Build features: SETI8	Non-graphics	OpenCL	USE_OPENCL_INTEL	OCL_SYNCHED	OCL_ZERO_COPY	OCL_CHIRP3	FFTW	USE_SSSE3	x86	
     CPUID:        Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-3520M CPU @ 2.90GHz 

     Cache: L1=64K L2=256K

CPU features: FPU TSC PAE CMPXCHG8B APIC SYSENTER MTRR CMOV/CCMP MMX FXSAVE/FXRSTOR SSE SSE2 HT SSE3 SSSE3 SSE4.1 SSE4.2 AVX 
Low-performance GPU detected, default period_iterations_num set to 500
OpenCL-kernels filename : MultiBeam_Kernels_r3541.cl 
ar=0.388345  NumCfft=206031  NumGauss=1216523176  NumPulse=226417552714  NumTriplet=452832676104
Currently allocated 209 MB for GPU buffers
In v_BaseLineSmooth: NumDataPoints=1048576, BoxCarLength=8192, NumPointsInChunk=32768
Restarted at 11.30 percent.
Used GPU device parameters are:
	Number of compute units: 2
	Single buffer allocation size: 128MB
	Total device global memory: 1024MB
	max WG size: 1024
	local mem type: Real
	LotOfMem path: no
	LowPerformanceGPU path: yes
	HighPerformanceGPU path: no
period_iterations_num=500
GPU device sync requested...  ...GPU device synched
Termination request detected or computations are finished. GPU device synched,  exiting...
Running on device number: 0
Priority of worker thread raised successfully
Priority of process adjusted successfully, below normal priority class used
OpenCL platform detected: Intel(R) Corporation
BOINC assigns device 0
Info: BOINC provided OpenCL device ID used

Build features: SETI8	Non-graphics	OpenCL	USE_OPENCL_INTEL	OCL_SYNCHED	OCL_ZERO_COPY	OCL_CHIRP3	FFTW	USE_SSSE3	x86	
     CPUID:        Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-3520M CPU @ 2.90GHz 

     Cache: L1=64K L2=256K

CPU features: FPU TSC PAE CMPXCHG8B APIC SYSENTER MTRR CMOV/CCMP MMX FXSAVE/FXRSTOR SSE SSE2 HT SSE3 SSSE3 SSE4.1 SSE4.2 AVX 
OpenCL-kernels filename : MultiBeam_Kernels_r3541.cl 
ar=0.388345  NumCfft=206031  NumGauss=1216523176  NumPulse=226417552714  NumTriplet=452832676104
Currently allocated 209 MB for GPU buffers
In v_BaseLineSmooth: NumDataPoints=1048576, BoxCarLength=8192, NumPointsInChunk=32768
Restarted at 19.01 percent.
Used GPU device parameters are:
	Number of compute units: 16
	Single buffer allocation size: 128MB
	Total device global memory: 1624MB
	max WG size: 512
	local mem type: Real
	LotOfMem path: no
	LowPerformanceGPU path: no
	HighPerformanceGPU path: no
period_iterations_num=50
Running on device number: 0
Priority of worker thread raised successfully
Priority of process adjusted successfully, below normal priority class used
OpenCL platform detected: Intel(R) Corporation
BOINC assigns device 0
Info: BOINC provided OpenCL device ID used

Build features: SETI8	Non-graphics	OpenCL	USE_OPENCL_INTEL	OCL_SYNCHED	OCL_ZERO_COPY	OCL_CHIRP3	FFTW	USE_SSSE3	x86	
     CPUID:        Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-3520M CPU @ 2.90GHz 

     Cache: L1=64K L2=256K

CPU features: FPU TSC PAE CMPXCHG8B APIC SYSENTER MTRR CMOV/CCMP MMX FXSAVE/FXRSTOR SSE SSE2 HT SSE3 SSSE3 SSE4.1 SSE4.2 AVX 
OpenCL-kernels filename : MultiBeam_Kernels_r3541.cl 
ar=0.388345  NumCfft=206031  NumGauss=1216523176  NumPulse=226417552714  NumTriplet=452832676104
Currently allocated 209 MB for GPU buffers
In v_BaseLineSmooth: NumDataPoints=1048576, BoxCarLength=8192, NumPointsInChunk=32768
Restarted at 19.01 percent.
Used GPU device parameters are:
	Number of compute units: 16
	Single buffer allocation size: 128MB
	Total device global memory: 1624MB
	max WG size: 512
	local mem type: Real
	LotOfMem path: no
	LowPerformanceGPU path: no
	HighPerformanceGPU path: no
period_iterations_num=50
Running on device number: 0
Priority of worker thread raised successfully
Priority of process adjusted successfully, below normal priority class used
OpenCL platform detected: Intel(R) Corporation
BOINC assigns device 0
Info: BOINC provided OpenCL device ID used

Build features: SETI8	Non-graphics	OpenCL	USE_OPENCL_INTEL	OCL_SYNCHED	OCL_ZERO_COPY	OCL_CHIRP3	FFTW	USE_SSSE3	x86	
     CPUID:        Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-3520M CPU @ 2.90GHz 

     Cache: L1=64K L2=256K

CPU features: FPU TSC PAE CMPXCHG8B APIC SYSENTER MTRR CMOV/CCMP MMX FXSAVE/FXRSTOR SSE SSE2 HT SSE3 SSSE3 SSE4.1 SSE4.2 AVX 
OpenCL-kernels filename : MultiBeam_Kernels_r3541.cl 
ar=0.388345  NumCfft=206031  NumGauss=1216523176  NumPulse=226417552714  NumTriplet=452832676104
Currently allocated 209 MB for GPU buffers
In v_BaseLineSmooth: NumDataPoints=1048576, BoxCarLength=8192, NumPointsInChunk=32768
Restarted at 19.01 percent.
Used GPU device parameters are:
	Number of compute units: 16
	Single buffer allocation size: 128MB
	Total device global memory: 1624MB
	max WG size: 512
	local mem type: Real
	LotOfMem path: no
	LowPerformanceGPU path: no
	HighPerformanceGPU path: no
period_iterations_num=50
Running on device number: 0
Priority of worker thread raised successfully
Priority of process adjusted successfully, below normal priority class used
OpenCL platform detected: Intel(R) Corporation
BOINC assigns device 0
Info: BOINC provided OpenCL device ID used

Build features: SETI8	Non-graphics	OpenCL	USE_OPENCL_INTEL	OCL_SYNCHED	OCL_ZERO_COPY	OCL_CHIRP3	FFTW	USE_SSSE3	x86	
     CPUID:        Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-3520M CPU @ 2.90GHz 

     Cache: L1=64K L2=256K

CPU features: FPU TSC PAE CMPXCHG8B APIC SYSENTER MTRR CMOV/CCMP MMX FXSAVE/FXRSTOR SSE SSE2 HT SSE3 SSSE3 SSE4.1 SSE4.2 AVX 
OpenCL-kernels filename : MultiBeam_Kernels_r3541.cl 
ar=0.388345  NumCfft=206031  NumGauss=1216523176  NumPulse=226417552714  NumTriplet=452832676104
Currently allocated 209 MB for GPU buffers
In v_BaseLineSmooth: NumDataPoints=1048576, BoxCarLength=8192, NumPointsInChunk=32768
Restarted at 19.01 percent.
Used GPU device parameters are:
	Number of compute units: 16
	Single buffer allocation size: 128MB
	Total device global memory: 1624MB
	max WG size: 512
	local mem type: Real
	LotOfMem path: no
	LowPerformanceGPU path: no
	HighPerformanceGPU path: no
period_iterations_num=50
Running on device number: 0
Priority of worker thread raised successfully
Priority of process adjusted successfully, below normal priority class used
OpenCL platform detected: Intel(R) Corporation
BOINC assigns device 0
Info: BOINC provided OpenCL device ID used

Build features: SETI8	Non-graphics	OpenCL	USE_OPENCL_INTEL	OCL_SYNCHED	OCL_ZERO_COPY	OCL_CHIRP3	FFTW	USE_SSSE3	x86	
     CPUID:        Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-3520M CPU @ 2.90GHz 

     Cache: L1=64K L2=256K

CPU features: FPU TSC PAE CMPXCHG8B APIC SYSENTER MTRR CMOV/CCMP MMX FXSAVE/FXRSTOR SSE SSE2 HT SSE3 SSSE3 SSE4.1 SSE4.2 AVX 
OpenCL-kernels filename : MultiBeam_Kernels_r3541.cl 
ar=0.388345  NumCfft=206031  NumGauss=1216523176  NumPulse=226417552714  NumTriplet=452832676104
Currently allocated 209 MB for GPU buffers
In v_BaseLineSmooth: NumDataPoints=1048576, BoxCarLength=8192, NumPointsInChunk=32768
Restarted at 19.01 percent.
Used GPU device parameters are:
	Number of compute units: 16
	Single buffer allocation size: 128MB
	Total device global memory: 1624MB
	max WG size: 512
	local mem type: Real
	LotOfMem path: no
	LowPerformanceGPU path: no
	HighPerformanceGPU path: no
period_iterations_num=50
Running on device number: 0
Priority of worker thread raised successfully
Priority of process adjusted successfully, below normal priority class used
OpenCL platform detected: Intel(R) Corporation
BOINC assigns device 0
Info: BOINC provided OpenCL device ID used

Build features: SETI8	Non-graphics	OpenCL	USE_OPENCL_INTEL	OCL_SYNCHED	OCL_ZERO_COPY	OCL_CHIRP3	FFTW	USE_SSSE3	x86	
     CPUID:        Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-3520M CPU @ 2.90GHz 

     Cache: L1=64K L2=256K

CPU features: FPU TSC PAE CMPXCHG8B APIC SYSENTER MTRR CMOV/CCMP MMX FXSAVE/FXRSTOR SSE SSE2 HT SSE3 SSSE3 SSE4.1 SSE4.2 AVX 
OpenCL-kernels filename : MultiBeam_Kernels_r3541.cl 
ar=0.388345  NumCfft=206031  NumGauss=1216523176  NumPulse=226417552714  NumTriplet=452832676104
Currently allocated 209 MB for GPU buffers
In v_BaseLineSmooth: NumDataPoints=1048576, BoxCarLength=8192, NumPointsInChunk=32768
Restarted at 19.01 percent.
Used GPU device parameters are:
	Number of compute units: 16
	Single buffer allocation size: 128MB
	Total device global memory: 1624MB
	max WG size: 512
	local mem type: Real
	LotOfMem path: no
	LowPerformanceGPU path: no
	HighPerformanceGPU path: no
period_iterations_num=50
GPU device sync requested...  ...GPU device synched
Termination request detected or computations are finished. GPU device synched,  exiting...
15:57:08 (11172): Can't acquire lockfile (32) - waiting 35s
Running on device number: 0
Priority of worker thread raised successfully
Priority of process adjusted successfully, below normal priority class used
OpenCL platform detected: Intel(R) Corporation
BOINC assigns device 0
Info: BOINC provided OpenCL device ID used

Build features: SETI8	Non-graphics	OpenCL	USE_OPENCL_INTEL	OCL_SYNCHED	OCL_ZERO_COPY	OCL_CHIRP3	FFTW	USE_SSSE3	x86	
     CPUID:        Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-3520M CPU @ 2.90GHz 

     Cache: L1=64K L2=256K

CPU features: FPU TSC PAE CMPXCHG8B APIC SYSENTER MTRR CMOV/CCMP MMX FXSAVE/FXRSTOR SSE SSE2 HT SSE3 SSSE3 SSE4.1 SSE4.2 AVX 
OpenCL-kernels filename : MultiBeam_Kernels_r3541.cl 
ar=0.388345  NumCfft=206031  NumGauss=1216523176  NumPulse=226417552714  NumTriplet=452832676104
Currently allocated 209 MB for GPU buffers
In v_BaseLineSmooth: NumDataPoints=1048576, BoxCarLength=8192, NumPointsInChunk=32768
Restarted at 19.01 percent.
Used GPU device parameters are:
	Number of compute units: 16
	Single buffer allocation size: 128MB
	Total device global memory: 1624MB
	max WG size: 512
	local mem type: Real
	LotOfMem path: no
	LowPerformanceGPU path: no
	HighPerformanceGPU path: no
period_iterations_num=50
Running on device number: 0
Priority of worker thread raised successfully
Priority of process adjusted successfully, below normal priority class used
OpenCL platform detected: Intel(R) Corporation
BOINC assigns device 0
Info: BOINC provided OpenCL device ID used

Build features: SETI8	Non-graphics	OpenCL	USE_OPENCL_INTEL	OCL_SYNCHED	OCL_ZERO_COPY	OCL_CHIRP3	FFTW	USE_SSSE3	x86	
     CPUID:        Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-3520M CPU @ 2.90GHz 

     Cache: L1=64K L2=256K

CPU features: FPU TSC PAE CMPXCHG8B APIC SYSENTER MTRR CMOV/CCMP MMX FXSAVE/FXRSTOR SSE SSE2 HT SSE3 SSSE3 SSE4.1 SSE4.2 AVX 
OpenCL-kernels filename : MultiBeam_Kernels_r3541.cl 
ar=0.388345  NumCfft=206031  NumGauss=1216523176  NumPulse=226417552714  NumTriplet=452832676104
Currently allocated 209 MB for GPU buffers
In v_BaseLineSmooth: NumDataPoints=1048576, BoxCarLength=8192, NumPointsInChunk=32768
Restarted at 19.01 percent.
Used GPU device parameters are:
	Number of compute units: 16
	Single buffer allocation size: 128MB
	Total device global memory: 1624MB
	max WG size: 512
	local mem type: Real
	LotOfMem path: no
	LowPerformanceGPU path: no
	HighPerformanceGPU path: no
period_iterations_num=50

</stderr_txt>
]]>
65) Message boards : Number crunching : Boinc Message tab (Message 1902818)
Posted 25 Nov 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
That's 1 of the reasons that I stick with an old version of BOINC, it has a much more usable Messages tab instead, but every time someone posts into 1 of those News threads you get to know about it. ;-)

Cheers.

I keep thinking that sometimes I'll compile a version of the BOINC Manager with all of the annoying Notice stuff removed and the Messages tab back in place.
Until then I will just keep using the 6.10 Manager with the newer client.
66) Message boards : Number crunching : Gyes & Girls, I've got a bit of a dilemma. (Message 1902816)
Posted 25 Nov 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
My first choice would have been to backup the data directory. Then restore it afterward.
Otherwise I would just abort the tasks from BOINC. That nearly immediately puts them in the queue to go back out.
67) Message boards : Number crunching : Anything relating to AstroPulse tasks (Message 1902641)
Posted 24 Nov 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
For two of my systems that only use their iGPU to run AP tasks the rate that AP work gets generated is more than enough for them to keep their 10+10 cache filled.
Which is ~24 task on one system and ~80 on the other.
68) Message boards : Number crunching : My percentile (Message 1902377)
Posted 22 Nov 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have 5,946,970 points according to BOINC. Is that average for people processing Seti@Home? Am I in the upper quarter? The lower quarter? How do I compare to everyone else?

You could check Computing > Statistics here on the project.
However the Top Participants list only shows the first 10,000 users. Position 10,000 currently is at 6,993,547 credit. So not yet useful for you.
A much easier way to find the information you want is to check your project stats on one of the third-party stat sites.
Like Free-DC. which will show you the information you want to know right away.
Project Rank		12,200 of 1,709,030 ( 0.00134% of the project total )
Overall Percentile	99.28614%

BOINCstats is good if you want to know your position based on your current RAC as well.
BOINC World position based on RAC 	6,532 out of 1,709,030

Links to those and other stats sites are listed on your Account under Cross-project statistics
69) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows 10 - Yea or Nay? (Message 1901618)
Posted 18 Nov 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
FYI - MS just pushed new NVidia driver 388.13 for Win 10. Apparently this time it does include OpenCL, unlike any previous pushes of NV drivers.
HOWEVER, any SoG 8.20 tasks fail with "postponed 30 seconds" message in task log, and will never start.
Downloaded fresh 388.13 from NVidia site, had same result. so perhaps not just missing OpenCL.
Fell back to 382.33 and am back in business.

Sounds like 388.13 should go on "Do not use for SETI@home" list.
70) Message boards : Number crunching : Dynamically regulate number of CPU tasks? (Message 1901615)
Posted 18 Nov 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Instead of doing that, would it be possible to have Boinc start up more CPU tasks when the GPUs run dry? Like 4 more for a total of 9, leaving 1 core for daily driver usage? And then suspend the extra CPU tasks when the GPUs start picking up work again.

That's what my system does.
I reserve 1 CPU core for each GPU WU. When the GPU runs out of work, those released CPU cores start crunching CPU work. When the GPUs start up again, 1 CPU WU pauses for each GPU WU that starts running, and when a CPU WU finishes crunching, it just finishes off the paused CPU WUs.

My app_config.xml
<app_config>
<app>
<name>setiathome_v8</name>
<gpu_versions>
<gpu_usage>1.00</gpu_usage>
<cpu_usage>1.00</cpu_usage>
</gpu_versions>
</app>
</app_config>

Just change the cpu_usage and gpu_usage values in your App_info.xml, exit BOINC & restart.

My only issue with the newer version of BOINC is the removal of the event log from the main screen & being moved to the Tools menu.
But being able to use app_config.xml & not worry about trashing my cache due to a simple typo in app_info.xml means I can deal with it (annoying as it is).


They can have my messages tab when they pry it from my cold dead hands!
I just use the old manger with the newer client.
71) Message boards : Number crunching : Pendings are very high (Message 1901564)
Posted 17 Nov 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I don't really pay attention to tasks in pending or inconclusive .
I really only find In Progress, Valid, Invalid, and Error useful
72) Message boards : News : Arecibo Status (Message 1901343)
Posted 16 Nov 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Since SETI@home piggybacks on the signal when others are using it the projects doesn't get data all year long.
You can check the Telescope Schedule for The Arecibo Observatory to see what dates it is scheduled for activity.
I believe the project only records data when the observations are compatible.
I would imagine that while Arecibo Observatory is looking for near Earth objects that no SETI@home data can be generated.
73) Message boards : Number crunching : Welcome to the 18 Year Club! (Message 1899756)
Posted 8 Nov 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
......
Meanwhile my 17th comes up very shorty but I can't find the thread for it ........

https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=81334&postid=1862566 ;-)

Cheers.

Well geez... now everyone will know!
74) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (108) Server Problems? (Message 1899649)
Posted 7 Nov 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I'm not up on SETI's current storage infrastructure, but in today's announcement from Eric he mentioned needing 300TB of additional storage! That cost will be huge, especially if that needs to be spinning storage, so any hope for "other" improvements are not likely for a while I presume.

I wouldn't consider $7000 (Toshiba 3TB @$70 X 100) a huge cost if they get $70,000 a year for donations.


. . To be fair it would be a little more as they would need to be a raid array for security. But less than double that I am sure. But even at $10K to $12k it is a significant burden but not what I would consider a HUGE cost, especially compared to other requirements that are much more expensive.

Stephen

??


Lots of parts still missing:

- 100 bay enclosure, SuperMicro makes a 90 bay for $6000 (However you would not use 3TB drives for an array of this size)
- Toshiba 3TB drives are SATA, so you'll need a 100 port controller card, which isn't made, but you can get low range 24 port cards for ~$500/each
- MB/RAM/Fiber cards?

This is not how they'd build such an array anyhow, and we have no idea what throughput is required. Given their budget, this array would be significant, even if they homebrewed it.

Enterprise level 10TB SAS drives are really not that expensive at around $400 each & you can get a 40 port controller for about $750.
For performance reasons it would probably be better to break things up across a several controllers instead of one. Which could possible reduce the cost.
Really for that kind of storage a SAN or use Cloud storage is probably the best option.
Realistically it is probably a matter of contacting the university IT department to allocating more storage. Then their department IT bill goes up.
75) Message boards : Number crunching : Welcome to the 18 Year Club! (Message 1899638)
Posted 7 Nov 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thank you, though it was in May. I guess we are the "old" timers?

It seems like it. I wonder if anyone has started planning a 20 year shirt. I got a couple 15 year ones when that was going on.
76) Message boards : Number crunching : 2 workers on 1 GPU (Message 1899473)
Posted 6 Nov 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I thought AMD hardware always had issues running more than 1 Seti WU at a time on a video card?

it depends on the hardware and driver used. Pretty much all drivers since the release of the Rx 400 series are no good for running more than 1 task per GPU.
77) Message boards : Number crunching : 2 workers on 1 GPU (Message 1899471)
Posted 6 Nov 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hi everyone,

I'm trying to run 2 workers on 1 AMD GPU. For some reason I always get this error:

11/5/2017 10:46:20 PM | SETI@home | Entry in app_config.xml for app 'setiathome_v8', plan class '' doesn't match any app versions

Here is the app_config.xml:

<app_config>
    <app_version>
        <app_name>setiathome_v8</app_name>
        <avg_ncpus>0.5</avg_ncpus>
        <ngpus>0.5</ngpus>
    </app_version>
</app_config>

Many guys on the webz claim this config is working for them, and looking through BOINC's wiki it looks like a valid config file to me.

Any ideas what's wrong?

That specific app_config doesn't generate an error on my system.
However without specifying a plan class these settings also get applied to the CPU apps. So there will be 2 CPU apps running on each core/thread of the CPU.
Using <app></app> settings instead of <app_version></app_version> normally make a lot more sense. Unless you have specific plan_class settings you want to adjust.
78) Message boards : Number crunching : GPU FLOPS: Theory vs Reality (Message 1899197)
Posted 4 Nov 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
a. If more credit per hour means more numbers crunched, then how come the GTX580s crunch more numbers than a 4x faster card (in GFLOPS aspect)?

A cards GFLOPs rating is a very much a theoretical number.
The software being run has to actually be able to take advantage of that potential performance.
Which is why for a given Nvidia card the SoG application leaves the older CUDA applications way behind. And for the same card the Linux special application leaves the SoG application way behind. And as good as that application is, it still doesn't come close to the theoretical (ie claimed) SP (Single Precision) performance of that card.

There are lies, damned lies, statistics, benchmarks, and finally claimed Floating/Integer performance numbers.

I believe that it was said that the original CUDA app was ~3-4% efficient. And it was basically written by Nvidia for SETI@home.

I seem to recall that the SoG app is better when running GBT tasks but the CUDA app is slightly better for Arecibo tasks?
I don't really watch my 750 ti that closely to be sure.
79) Message boards : Number crunching : GPU FLOPS: Theory vs Reality (Message 1899124)
Posted 4 Nov 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Fanboy-ism and trolling aside, we all know historically AMD cards have (almost) always had better raw computational power in the consumer market. Professional offerings are almost neck-and-neck (drivers and SW support not taken into account).

A GTX580 (stock clocks) has ~1.6 GFLOPS of compute power. RX 580 on the other side has ~6.2 GFLOPS. That is 5 times (!) more raw power.

Do you really believe the alt coin miners would go for 100s of AMD cards if they had a way to make GTX580 profitable?

No way nvidia's GTX580 crunches more numbers than a RX 580, all other factors aside. This means that the key is in the "other factors", e.g. CUDA vs OpenCL, or other cruncher optimizations. Maybe the workload is just too non-typical and AMD cards have no shortcuts crunching it? Maybe I'm simply misinterpreting the chart?

Anyhow, yesterday I got an email from S@H about how much more processing power is needed for the new telescopes and projects. Maybe, just maybe, if some skilled individual(s) spend some time optimizing the code for AMD cards more, we'll get some of that needed power for "free"? Bear in mind however, that I don't really know how many of the AMD owners are contributing to SETI@home, with all the mining craze currently raging. It might be not worth it to optimize further for just a few AMD cards, which would be really sad for me, since my RX is crunching for SETI most of the time.

I'm not sure why you would compare a Nvidia GTX 580 to a Radeon RX 580. Given the GTX 580 was released in 2010 and the RX 580 in 2017.

Really you would want to compare a GeForce GTX 1070 to the Radeon RX 580. Since those are both current models that came out this year and are rated for about 6 TFLOPS in Single Precision. With the GTX 1070 rated at 5783/6462 GFLOPS Base/Boost and the RX 580 at 5792/6175 GFLOPS Base/Boost.
Some of the notable differences between the two I can think of right now are:
Cost: The GTX 1070 lists for~$400USD. The RX 580 lists for ~$200USD
Double Precision performance: GeForce GPUs are limited to 1/32 SP FLOPS. Radon GPUs are limited to 1/16 SP FLOPS. (This is not currently relevant to SETI@home use)
Power: The GTX 1070 has a TDP of 150W. The RX 580 is rated for 185W. (Actual power usage varies but is often ~70% of TDP while running SETI@home)
80) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (108) Server Problems? (Message 1898782)
Posted 2 Nov 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
That's why I suspect there's something odd about the way Keith's Linux client is doing the requesting, which causes the server to fall over with an error. And of course if the server daemon falls over, it has to restart and re-cache whatever it held in memory - that'll slow things down.

Keith's log contained:

690			11/2/2017 13:31:02	[http] [ID#0] Sent header to server: ÿ	
702	SETI@home	11/2/2017 13:31:02	[http] [ID#1] Sent header to server: t (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu 7.8.3)
704	SETI@home	11/2/2017 13:31:02	[http] [ID#1] Sent header to server: Ac

I wonder if while the daemon is recovering the feeder queue will report being empty and is related to their high rate of "Project has no tasks available" responses when requesting work.
81) Message boards : Number crunching : Recent error: Cannot acquire lockfile. (Message 1898781)
Posted 2 Nov 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
On my 16c/32t system I see very little disk activity running 32 CPU tasks.
I also run an additional 100 instances of BOINC for goofygrid@home with 4 apps and several of those instances also have WuProp.

So all together I have running:
BOINC instances: 101
CPU tasks: 32
NCI tasks: 431
The disk is an old 2.5" notebook HDD I tossed in to get the system running and I have Request tasks to checkpoint at most every: 60 seconds set.
If running a lot of tasks at once caused enough disk activity to be a problem I would think I would run into that issue often on the system.

I have observed the disk write activity of AP tasks is about 3-4 times that of a MB tasks.
82) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (108) Server Problems? (Message 1898775)
Posted 2 Nov 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
From my end the servers seem to be in good order.

Project details for: SETI@home including all dates
Scheduler Requests: 4411
Scheduler Success: 99 %, Count: 4404
Scheduler Failure: 0 %, Count: 7 (Total)
Scheduler Failure: 0 % of total, Count: 0 (Couldn't connect to server)
Scheduler Failure: 0 % of total, Count: 4 (HTTP service unavailable)
Scheduler Failure: 0 % of total, Count: 0 (HTTP internal server error)
Scheduler Failure: 0 % of total, Count: 3 (Couldn't resolve host name)
Scheduler Failure: 0 % of total, Count: 0 (Failure when receiving data from the peer)
Scheduler Failure: 0 % of total, Count: 0 (Timeout was reached)
Scheduler Timeout: 0 % of failures

Project details for: SETI@home on 02-Nov-2017
Scheduler Requests: 114
Scheduler Success: 100 %, Count: 114

Project details for: SETI@home on 01-Nov-2017
Scheduler Requests: 173
Scheduler Success: 100 %, Count: 173

Project details for: SETI@home on 31-Oct-2017
Scheduler Requests: 65
Scheduler Success: 100 %, Count: 65


Project details for: SETI@home including all dates
Total number of work requests: 4404
Number of requests gaining work: 1306
Number of requests not gaining work: 3098
Number of requests not gaining work: 2662 (project task limit)
Number of requests not gaining work: 42 (project down for maintenance)
Number of requests not gaining work: 0 (request too recent)
Number of requests not gaining work: 52 (Project has no tasks available)
Number of times no work was requested: 0
Number of tasks gained: 1590

Project details for: SETI@home on 02-Nov-2017
Total number of work requests: 114
Number of requests gaining work: 30
Number of requests not gaining work: 84
Number of requests not gaining work: 84 (project task limit)
Number of tasks gained: 33

Project details for: SETI@home on 01-Nov-2017
Total number of work requests: 173
Number of requests gaining work: 63
Number of requests not gaining work: 110
Number of requests not gaining work: 107 (project task limit)
Number of requests not gaining work: 3 (Project has no tasks available)
Number of tasks gained: 67

Project details for: SETI@home on 31-Oct-2017
Total number of work requests: 65
Number of requests gaining work: 17
Number of requests not gaining work: 48
Number of requests not gaining work: 39 (project task limit)
Number of requests not gaining work: 9 (project down for maintenance)
Number of tasks gained: 46
83) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows 10 - Yea or Nay? (Message 1896145)
Posted 19 Oct 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
According to theregister.co.uk the Windows 10 Creators Fall Update includes a Linux release but I cannot find it in my Home edition on a HP PC. Has any Windows 10 user succeeded in using it?
Tullio

It looks like you have to add Windows Subsystem for Linux yourself.
https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/commandline/wsl/install_guide
84) Message boards : Number crunching : How will my Xeon fair up .. (Message 1895648)
Posted 16 Oct 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I seem to recall that when running 8 at once on my dual X5470 normal AR tasks would take 5 or 6 hours.
I didn't have it running long enough for its RAC to flatten out, but I believe the daily credit numbers were about 3,000 from running 24/7.
85) Message boards : Number crunching : Vega Frontier Edition - MB Options Tuning (Message 1895499)
Posted 15 Oct 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
After this, I plan to analyze the SOG version of r3584. Does SOG change the strategy for optimization?


No, on my tests SoG was always slower on AMD GPU`s but you have got a much faster GPU so worth a try.

I found SoG to be faster than the HD app on my R9 390X .
Perhaps GPUs with with a memory interface >256-bit take better advantage of the SoG app over the HD app? I would guess it is more the total memory bandwidth if related.
There is always the possibility something else in my system is having an effect too.
86) Message boards : Number crunching : 16 GPUs? For real? (Message 1895180)
Posted 14 Oct 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I gave the config mod a try on one of my notebooks and it does seem to work for CUDA & iGPUs.


. . Tease! :)

Stephen

:)

Even if many users tried to go nuts I seem to recall there is a hard limit in the scheduler code where it will only assign work for up to 32 GPUs. No matter how many are reported by the client.

13-Oct-2017 19:26:58 [---] OpenCL: ATI GPU 0: ATI Radeon HD 6870 (Barts XT) (driver version 1800.8 (VM), device version OpenCL 1.2 AMD-APP (1800.8), 1024MB, 991MB available, 4032 GFLOPS peak)
13-Oct-2017 19:26:58 [---] OpenCL: ATI GPU 1: ATI Radeon HD 6870 (Barts XT) (driver version 1800.8 (VM), device version OpenCL 1.2 AMD-APP (1800.8), 1024MB, 991MB available, 4032 GFLOPS peak)
13-Oct-2017 19:26:58 [---] OpenCL: ATI GPU 2: ATI Radeon HD 6870 (Barts XT) (driver version 1800.8 (VM), device version OpenCL 1.2 AMD-APP (1800.8), 1024MB, 991MB available, 4032 GFLOPS peak)
13-Oct-2017 19:26:58 [---] OpenCL: ATI GPU 3: ATI Radeon HD 6870 (Barts XT) (driver version 1800.8 (VM), device version OpenCL 1.2 AMD-APP (1800.8), 1024MB, 991MB available, 4032 GFLOPS peak)
13-Oct-2017 19:26:58 [---] OpenCL: ATI GPU 4: ATI Radeon HD 6870 (Barts XT) (driver version 1800.8 (VM), device version OpenCL 1.2 AMD-APP (1800.8), 1024MB, 991MB available, 4032 GFLOPS peak)
13-Oct-2017 19:26:58 [---] OpenCL: ATI GPU 5: ATI Radeon HD 6870 (Barts XT) (driver version 1800.8 (VM), device version OpenCL 1.2 AMD-APP (1800.8), 1024MB, 991MB available, 4032 GFLOPS peak)
13-Oct-2017 19:26:58 [---] OpenCL: ATI GPU 6: ATI Radeon HD 6870 (Barts XT) (driver version 1800.8 (VM), device version OpenCL 1.2 AMD-APP (1800.8), 1024MB, 991MB available, 4032 GFLOPS peak)
13-Oct-2017 19:26:58 [---] OpenCL: ATI GPU 7: ATI Radeon HD 6870 (Barts XT) (driver version 1800.8 (VM), device version OpenCL 1.2 AMD-APP (1800.8), 1024MB, 991MB available, 4032 GFLOPS peak)
13-Oct-2017 19:26:58 [---] OpenCL: ATI GPU 8: ATI Radeon HD 6870 (Barts XT) (driver version 1800.8 (VM), device version OpenCL 1.2 AMD-APP (1800.8), 1024MB, 991MB available, 4032 GFLOPS peak)
13-Oct-2017 19:26:58 [---] OpenCL: ATI GPU 9: ATI Radeon HD 6870 (Barts XT) (driver version 1800.8 (VM), device version OpenCL 1.2 AMD-APP (1800.8), 1024MB, 991MB available, 4032 GFLOPS peak)
13-Oct-2017 19:26:58 [---] OpenCL: ATI GPU 10: ATI Radeon HD 6870 (Barts XT) (driver version 1800.8 (VM), device version OpenCL 1.2 AMD-APP (1800.8), 1024MB, 991MB available, 4032 GFLOPS peak)
13-Oct-2017 19:26:58 [---] OpenCL: ATI GPU 11: ATI Radeon HD 6870 (Barts XT) (driver version 1800.8 (VM), device version OpenCL 1.2 AMD-APP (1800.8), 1024MB, 991MB available, 4032 GFLOPS peak)
13-Oct-2017 19:26:58 [---] OpenCL: ATI GPU 12: ATI Radeon HD 6870 (Barts XT) (driver version 1800.8 (VM), device version OpenCL 1.2 AMD-APP (1800.8), 1024MB, 991MB available, 4032 GFLOPS peak)
13-Oct-2017 19:26:58 [---] OpenCL: ATI GPU 13: ATI Radeon HD 6870 (Barts XT) (driver version 1800.8 (VM), device version OpenCL 1.2 AMD-APP (1800.8), 1024MB, 991MB available, 4032 GFLOPS peak)
13-Oct-2017 19:26:58 [---] OpenCL: ATI GPU 14: ATI Radeon HD 6870 (Barts XT) (driver version 1800.8 (VM), device version OpenCL 1.2 AMD-APP (1800.8), 1024MB, 991MB available, 4032 GFLOPS peak)
13-Oct-2017 19:26:58 [---] OpenCL: ATI GPU 15: ATI Radeon HD 6870 (Barts XT) (driver version 1800.8 (VM), device version OpenCL 1.2 AMD-APP (1800.8), 1024MB, 991MB available, 4032 GFLOPS peak)
13-Oct-2017 19:26:58 [---] OpenCL: ATI GPU 16: ATI Radeon HD 6870 (Barts XT) (driver version 1800.8 (VM), device version OpenCL 1.2 AMD-APP (1800.8), 1024MB, 991MB available, 4032 GFLOPS peak)
13-Oct-2017 19:26:58 [---] OpenCL: ATI GPU 17: ATI Radeon HD 6870 (Barts XT) (driver version 1800.8 (VM), device version OpenCL 1.2 AMD-APP (1800.8), 1024MB, 991MB available, 4032 GFLOPS peak)
13-Oct-2017 19:26:58 [---] OpenCL: ATI GPU 18: ATI Radeon HD 6870 (Barts XT) (driver version 1800.8 (VM), device version OpenCL 1.2 AMD-APP (1800.8), 1024MB, 991MB available, 4032 GFLOPS peak)
13-Oct-2017 19:26:58 [---] OpenCL: ATI GPU 19: ATI Radeon HD 6870 (Barts XT) (driver version 1800.8 (VM), device version OpenCL 1.2 AMD-APP (1800.8), 1024MB, 991MB available, 4032 GFLOPS peak)
13-Oct-2017 19:26:58 [---] OpenCL: ATI GPU 20: ATI Radeon HD 6870 (Barts XT) (driver version 1800.8 (VM), device version OpenCL 1.2 AMD-APP (1800.8), 1024MB, 991MB available, 4032 GFLOPS peak)
13-Oct-2017 19:26:58 [---] OpenCL: ATI GPU 21: ATI Radeon HD 6870 (Barts XT) (driver version 1800.8 (VM), device version OpenCL 1.2 AMD-APP (1800.8), 1024MB, 991MB available, 4032 GFLOPS peak)
13-Oct-2017 19:26:58 [---] OpenCL: ATI GPU 22: ATI Radeon HD 6870 (Barts XT) (driver version 1800.8 (VM), device version OpenCL 1.2 AMD-APP (1800.8), 1024MB, 991MB available, 4032 GFLOPS peak)
13-Oct-2017 19:26:58 [---] OpenCL: ATI GPU 23: ATI Radeon HD 6870 (Barts XT) (driver version 1800.8 (VM), device version OpenCL 1.2 AMD-APP (1800.8), 1024MB, 991MB available, 4032 GFLOPS peak)
13-Oct-2017 19:26:58 [---] OpenCL: ATI GPU 24: ATI Radeon HD 6870 (Barts XT) (driver version 1800.8 (VM), device version OpenCL 1.2 AMD-APP (1800.8), 1024MB, 991MB available, 4032 GFLOPS peak)
13-Oct-2017 19:26:58 [---] OpenCL: ATI GPU 25: ATI Radeon HD 6870 (Barts XT) (driver version 1800.8 (VM), device version OpenCL 1.2 AMD-APP (1800.8), 1024MB, 991MB available, 4032 GFLOPS peak)
13-Oct-2017 19:26:58 [---] OpenCL: ATI GPU 26: ATI Radeon HD 6870 (Barts XT) (driver version 1800.8 (VM), device version OpenCL 1.2 AMD-APP (1800.8), 1024MB, 991MB available, 4032 GFLOPS peak)
13-Oct-2017 19:26:58 [---] OpenCL: ATI GPU 27: ATI Radeon HD 6870 (Barts XT) (driver version 1800.8 (VM), device version OpenCL 1.2 AMD-APP (1800.8), 1024MB, 991MB available, 4032 GFLOPS peak)
13-Oct-2017 19:26:58 [---] OpenCL: ATI GPU 28: ATI Radeon HD 6870 (Barts XT) (driver version 1800.8 (VM), device version OpenCL 1.2 AMD-APP (1800.8), 1024MB, 991MB available, 4032 GFLOPS peak)
13-Oct-2017 19:26:58 [---] OpenCL: ATI GPU 29: ATI Radeon HD 6870 (Barts XT) (driver version 1800.8 (VM), device version OpenCL 1.2 AMD-APP (1800.8), 1024MB, 991MB available, 4032 GFLOPS peak)
13-Oct-2017 19:26:58 [---] OpenCL: ATI GPU 30: ATI Radeon HD 6870 (Barts XT) (driver version 1800.8 (VM), device version OpenCL 1.2 AMD-APP (1800.8), 1024MB, 991MB available, 4032 GFLOPS peak)
13-Oct-2017 19:26:58 [---] OpenCL: ATI GPU 31: ATI Radeon HD 6870 (Barts XT) (driver version 1800.8 (VM), device version OpenCL 1.2 AMD-APP (1800.8), 1024MB, 991MB available, 4032 GFLOPS peak)
87) Message boards : Number crunching : 16 GPUs? For real? (Message 1895167)
Posted 13 Oct 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I gave the config mod a try on one of my notebooks and it does seem to work for CUDA & iGPUs.
10/13/2017 7:34:30 PM		CUDA: NVIDIA GPU 0: GeForce GTX 950M (driver version 384.76, CUDA version 9.0, compute capability 5.0, 2048MB, 2048MB available, 1188 GFLOPS peak)
10/13/2017 7:34:30 PM		CUDA: NVIDIA GPU 1: GeForce GTX 950M (driver version 384.76, CUDA version 9.0, compute capability 5.0, 2048MB, 2048MB available, 1188 GFLOPS peak)
10/13/2017 7:34:30 PM		OpenCL: NVIDIA GPU 0: GeForce GTX 950M (driver version 384.76, device version OpenCL 1.2 CUDA, 2048MB, 2048MB available, 1188 GFLOPS peak)
10/13/2017 7:34:30 PM		OpenCL: NVIDIA GPU 1: GeForce GTX 950M (driver version 384.76, device version OpenCL 1.2 CUDA, 2048MB, 2048MB available, 1188 GFLOPS peak)
10/13/2017 7:34:30 PM		OpenCL: Intel GPU 0: Intel(R) HD Graphics 530 (driver version 21.20.16.4542, device version OpenCL 2.0, 3225MB, 3225MB available, 202 GFLOPS peak)
10/13/2017 7:34:30 PM		OpenCL: Intel GPU 1: Intel(R) HD Graphics 530 (driver version 21.20.16.4542, device version OpenCL 2.0, 3225MB, 3225MB available, 202 GFLOPS peak)
10/13/2017 7:34:30 PM		OpenCL: Intel GPU 2: Intel(R) HD Graphics 530 (driver version 21.20.16.4542, device version OpenCL 2.0, 3225MB, 3225MB available, 202 GFLOPS peak)

88) Message boards : Number crunching : 16 GPUs? For real? (Message 1895148)
Posted 13 Oct 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Having BOINC report more GPUs than exist in the system is also pretty easy & doesn't require modifying any code. Just tweaking some configs.


I tried that when I found that out from the source code, however it did not work for me. That is why I had to make some modifications to the boinc client code and I wanted make it to be visible for everyone and that is why the Ti is called Tu.

I'm still a week off. (browsing through the threads and vanishing -- screaming as I distance from the real world for a week off from duty <3)

It seems to work for me.
On my host 5837483 with one R9 390X.
I originally only wanted to change the GPU display name from Radeon (TM) R9 390 Series (Hawaii) to Radeon R9 390X (Grenada XT).
The same basic method works to have BOINC report more GPUs as well. Perhaps it only works in the Windows client or with Radeon GPUs?
While running SETI@home with the config changes the server was more than happy to send the system 200 GPU tasks for the single GPU.
Since most people would use the it to bypass the limits and horde work I don't feel it it should be be openly documented. No one likes the database to get all crashy.
It's pretty simple when you understand how BOINC works with GPUs.
89) Message boards : Number crunching : "BOINC portable" for Windows hosts (Message 1894748)
Posted 12 Oct 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
There's Tools -> Retry pending transfers in Manager and "--network_available" in boinccmd.

Thanks, but I don't use GUI part at all for this endeavor and editing XML once would be preferable than to introduce boinccmd.

One way could be to use PowerShell.
Something along the lines of:
[xml]$cli_state = Get-Content D:\Temp\state.xml
$project = $cli_state.client_state.project | where {$_.master_url -eq 'http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/'}
$set1 = $project.rsc_backoff_time | where {$_.name -eq 'CPU'}
$set1.value = "0.0"
$set2 = $project.rsc_backoff_interval | where {$_.name -eq 'CPU'}
$set2.value = "0.0"
$set3 = $project.rsc_backoff_time | where {$_.name -eq 'ATI'}
$set3.value = "0.0"
$set4 = $project.rsc_backoff_interval | where {$_.name -eq 'ATI'}
$set4.value = "0.0"
$cli_state.Save("D:\Temp\state.xml")


That is just for the project backoffs. Tasks could have backoff times too, but I don't have any in my client_state.xml to look at for examples right now.
Probably using some for loops to run through all of the projects and the CPU GPUs would be a more efficient way to go than my specific example, but I'm not that good at PowerShell yet.
90) Message boards : Number crunching : 16 GPUs? For real? (Message 1894711)
Posted 11 Oct 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I think there is a problem with doing that on his systems. They have been trying to figure out how to run multiple clients from the command line in the "BOINC portable" for Windows hosts thread.

Running multiple instances of BOINC at once and controlling them is rather straight forward.
Currently I have a few hosts that run 100's of BOINC instances for goofygrid. As it only has NCI apps at this time.
Having BOINC report more GPUs than exist in the system is also pretty easy & doesn't require modifying any code. Just tweaking some configs.
91) Message boards : Number crunching : "BOINC portable" for Windows hosts (Message 1894427)
Posted 9 Oct 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

And if it's offline? The reporting requests will go into extended backoff, and take no time at all.

So,when data directory will be taken to internet host - would that backoff remain? Or re-launching boinc.exe on internet host will trigger immediate connection attempt again?

Project communication deferrals are kept when restarting BOINC. I would guess that file transfers and other backoff times are retained as well.
If you don't want to use boinccmd -project url update
It looks like you could update <rsc_backoff_time> and <rsc_backoff_interval> in the client_state.xml for each project.
File transfer backoff timers would likely be similar. I imagine some kind of script could be run to reset all of the xml values.
92) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (107) Server Problems? (Message 1893154)
Posted 4 Oct 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I think I am going to have to set the max_task_reported tag. I updated all the crunchers after the project came back up and the log said all were successful. I then took down Numbskull for the rebuild but now that I have checked the hosts, I see that the reported tasks for it didn't take.

I also had something strange occur again on the Linux cruncher. I've seen it one time before. If a task is unsuccessful in downloading and the log says either task * was supposed to be 720XXX bytes and it got 0 bytes or the task is missing its header, then BOINC crashes the machine and it reboots. Anybody else see that? Is this a known bug or is it something that has to be reported?

I had to enable it for another project and never bothered to unset it for most of my hosts.
93) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows 10 - Yea or Nay? (Message 1893153)
Posted 4 Oct 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I hate windows 10!

WhY?

I wasted several days to turn off all WU drivers, as they have been coming without OpenCL support, which crashes Win10 when using SETi@home.
Really, check here: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10156690669169502&set=a.484349584501.266111.719424501&type=3&theater#
:D

This may be a desired configuration to prevent GPU driver updates for those with Enterprise or Pro versions.
https://www.howtogeek.com/263851/how-to-prevent-windows-from-automatically-updating-specific-drivers/
I had to do this on my work machine to prevent the iGPU drivers from being updated to ones that conflicted with the video driver my docking station uses.
94) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (107) Server Problems? (Message 1893088)
Posted 4 Oct 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
. . I am surprised this thread is not full of messages since the outrage. All three machines "No Tasks Available". Maybe I am the only one getting this ??

Stephen

??

You're not the only 1 this time, but at least my caches got very near full before that happened. ;-)

Cheers.

Mine went from getting the maintenance message to reporting and filling up.
10/3/2017 6:21:21 PM	SETI@home	Project is temporarily shut down for maintenance
10/3/2017 6:47:09 PM	SETI@home	Sending scheduler request: To report completed tasks.
10/3/2017 6:47:09 PM	SETI@home	Reporting 50 completed tasks
10/3/2017 6:47:09 PM	SETI@home	Requesting new tasks for CPU
10/3/2017 6:47:12 PM	SETI@home	Scheduler request completed: got 50 new tasks

Maybe having max_tasks_reported set to 50 has something to do with my hosts high success rate?
I did have on host report 46 and only receive 38. It did get 8 tasks on the next request 5 min later, but otherwise nothing to odd for me.
95) Message boards : Number crunching : Dual E5-2670 vs. Threadripper 16 core ?? (Message 1892614)
Posted 30 Sep 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Given the Ryzen 7 1700X has a base clock of 3.4GHz, which is about 13% higher that my host, most of the performance gain looks to be from a higher clock. Given Ryzen is 5 years newer this is the source of my disappointment.

You need to look at Ryzen in comparison to what it replaced- it is a massive improvement over the previous architecture.

No, Ryzen doesn't match the current Intel CPUs for IPC (Instructions Per Clock), but it comes pretty close- which is a monumental improvement. With a year or 2 of data of real world usage, I personally expect Ryzen2 to come very close to matching the Intel CPUs at that time. Improved Ryzen hardware, and improved compiler options.

As it stands, you can buy a high end Intel system, with it's much higher IPC, or you can buy a Ryzen system for half the price (or less) that is only slightly behind the Intel CPU in performance, or actually beats it for multi-threaded applications.
The very latest release of Intel CPUs takes back the performance crown for even mutli-threaded workloads, but you will pay at least 2.5 times the price just for the CPU compared to a Ryzen based CPU. And that doesn't include the much higher pricing for the motherboard suitable to run those CPUs compared to the motherboard required for a Ryzen based system.

I have the feeling OP is looking for a reason to justify upgrading one of their dual E5-2670 systems with a Threadripper. So I don't think comparing the performance of AMDs previous offing is relevant.
For someone with an AMD system Ryzen/Threadripper are obvious choices to upgrade.
Personally my plan is to upgrade my E5-2670 systems with v2 CPUs before I look to replace them.

I don't see the massive cost difference some seem to be making up between the two. The only two components that would be different in building a new system are the MB & CPU for a system.
If I compare two similar MBs with nearly the same features they have the same list and retail price of $160.
GIGABYTE AORUS GA-AX370-Gaming K5 vs GIGABYTE AORUS GA-Z270X-Gaming K5
I wasn't able to find Z370 MBs on retail sites yet, but they have the same list price as their Z270 version.

6c/12t Ryzen 5 1600X 3.6GHz $249 vs 6c/12t Core i7 8700K 3.7GHz $359
4c/4t Ryzen 3 1300X 3.5GHz $129 vs 4c/4t Core i3 8350K 4.0GHz $168
Similar CPUs do have a gap but really isn't that much for the total cost of the system. However it makes for a reasonable cost to performance comparison.

Getting back to the thread topic.
BOINCStats says we have 39 hosts with Threadripper CPUs.
I did find one 8322358 with a Threadripper 1950X.
It was running stock but gives some point of reference.
96) Message boards : Number crunching : Dual E5-2670 vs. Threadripper 16 core ?? (Message 1892274)
Posted 29 Sep 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I took a look at your E5-2670. It is not all that impressive in regard to your APR or number of tasks per day validated. I don't know which Ryzen7 1800X systems you are comparing it too. Could you link the hosts of your comparison. I'm curious. I also wonder if those systems are stock or have been overclocked to what they are capable of.
Your Host 8130144
Astropulse (anonymous platform, CPU)
Number of tasks completed 269
Max tasks per day 573
Number of tasks today 0
Consecutive valid tasks 540
Average processing rate 58.15 GFLOPS
Average turnaround time 0.59 days

SETI@home v8 (anonymous platform, CPU)
Number of tasks completed 92853
Max tasks per day 32391
Number of tasks today 64
Consecutive valid tasks 32359
Average processing rate 20.85 GFLOPS
Average turnaround time 0.30 days

My Ryzen7 1700X Host 8030022
Astropulse (anonymous platform, CPU)
Number of tasks completed 62
Max tasks per day 156
Number of tasks today 0
Consecutive valid tasks 123
Average processing rate 75.89 GFLOPS
Average turnaround time 1.75 days

SETI@home v8 (anonymous platform, CPU)
Number of tasks completed 52827
Max tasks per day 5165
Number of tasks today 153
Consecutive valid tasks 5133
Average processing rate 79.59 GFLOPS
Average turnaround time 0.45 days

I don't know of anyone running BOINC on Threadripper yet. As expected it is running into some of the same early issues of the Ryzen AM4 platform with CPU and memory overclocks being difficult to stabilize. But progress is being made and much faster compared to Ryzen since Ryzen cleared the path already on a lot of issues. After all TR is barely a month old and Ryzen is over 6 months old.

Comparing APR values is not very useful. It is even less useful for a hosts with a lot of CPU tasks rescheduled to a GPU. As it causes the APR values to be artificially inflated.
At the moment your host is displaying SETI@home v8 (anonymous platform, CPU) Average processing rate 90.64 GFLOPS but it doesn't seem to be completing CPU tasks 4.5 times faster than my E5-2670 host. That is just to point out how useless APR is for comparison.

A somewhat more accurate way to compare hosts is by run time of similar tasks. Arecibo tasks with a normal AR or GBT VLAR tasks are normally good to compare.
It looks like your host is completing CPU tasks about 30% faster that the current #28 host 8295687. Which is also a Ryzen 7 1700X running the AVX app. Based on the run times I would guess they are running closer to stock clocks and you are a bit higher? Host 8295687 is completing similar CPU about 20% faster than my E5-2670 @ 3.0GHz.
Given the Ryzen 7 1700X has a base clock of 3.4GHz, which is about 13% higher that my host, most of the performance gain looks to be from a higher clock. Given Ryzen is 5 years newer this is the source of my disappointment.

The number of concurrent tasks can also have an effect on task run times. I have all 32 CPU threads running tasks since I'm not currently feeding any GPUs on my host. Once I put a pair of 1050 ti or1060 3GB GPUs in the system I expect the CPU run times to be slightly reduced.
97) Message boards : Number crunching : "BOINC portable" for Windows hosts (Message 1892180)
Posted 28 Sep 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
And now my "portable boinc" experiment has new bottleneck - time to put data from internet host to flash drive.
Estimated as ~16 minutes... Will be inconvenient on regular usage.
But cause I move whole data directory all executables/binary caches are moven back and forth too - quite considerable share of whole data transfer actually.
Here some optimisation should be possible....

I had used something like export.bat and import.bat on mine. Which only copied over project data and BOINC .xml files.
I don't recall exactly what I used but perhaps xcopy /exclude *.exe or something like that
98) Message boards : Number crunching : Dual E5-2670 vs. Threadripper 16 core ?? (Message 1892178)
Posted 28 Sep 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Comparing some of the Ryzen 7 1800X systems to my E5-2670 I have been a bit disappointed in the performance of of the Ryzen systems.
With a about 1GHz higher clock and DDR4 memory I would expected much greater performance.
Maybe the Threadripper version will be better.
99) Message boards : Number crunching : SETI@home preferences (Fail) (Message 1892174)
Posted 28 Sep 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
When i will handle the separately preferences e.g. home/school etc the appears this message on all tasks:

Unable to handle request
Link has timed out. Please click Back, refresh the page, and try again.

i have switch the browser - but this was not the solution.

Please fix it - thankyou

I checking mine right now and it was ok. Maybe servers were just in a bad mood.
100) Message boards : Number crunching : "BOINC portable" for Windows hosts (Message 1892170)
Posted 28 Sep 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Oh, thanks for such detailed confirmation of my observations! Very good to know it's repeatable issue. So I will report it to BOINC devs then.

Just one clarification - did you see 100% CPU usage on host with reduced files set or on absolutely normal BOINC installation?

Reduced file set. I have not used a standard installation of BOINC since about 2010.
101) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (107) Server Problems? (Message 1892080)
Posted 27 Sep 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Another consideration is the maximum number of tasks sent per request can be set on the sever.
Several years ago the max number of AP tasks per request was reduced so it would be harder for users to stockpile them.
It went from being able to get 100 at a time to ~7.
102) Message boards : Number crunching : "BOINC portable" for Windows hosts (Message 1892079)
Posted 27 Sep 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I just tested using --no_gui_rpc on one of my normal hosts.
boinc.exe --skip_cpu_benchmarks --no_gui_rpc --detach
start boincmgr.exe /s

As expected BOINC Manager didn't connect to the BOINC client. I would guess they used "gui" in the switch name because of the BOINC Manager GUI?
Using boinccmd was also not successful.
	boinccmd --get_tasks
	can't connect to local host

Additionally boinc.exe was using a full CPU. Which it does not normally do.
I saw nothing in the stdoutdae.txt that looked odd. Other than no mention of the no_gui_rpc switch being used. Other logs like stderrgui.txt, stderrdae.txt, & stdoutgui.txt were empty.
Perhaps some kind of bug? I also tried boinc.exe --no_gui_rpc with the same results.

Similar to you I cut out some of the BOINC files for my hosts. I am sure there are a few more files I could get rid of but here are the ones I keep.
Z:\BOINC versions\Boinc 7.6.x\7.6.33\x64\
boinc.exe
boinccmd.exe
boincsvcctrl.exe
ca-bundle.crt
libcurl.dll
libeay32.dll
LiberationSans-Regular.ttf
msvcp100.dll
msvcr100.dll
sqlite3.dll
ssleay32.dll
zlib1.dll
103) Message boards : News : Arecibo Status (Message 1891932)
Posted 27 Sep 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Had a read of a few articles. It doesn't sound great for anyone down there right now.
http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/09/hurricane-damage-threatens-arecibo-observatory-s-future
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2017/09/arecibo-radio-telescope-damaged-puerto-rico-hurricane-maria-science/
104) Message boards : Number crunching : "BOINC portable" for Windows hosts (Message 1891915)
Posted 26 Sep 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Over commit of internet host resources can be an issue. I don't recall exactly what I used in the past.
If I was setting up offline hosts today I would use a shutdown and start up script. Which would suspend processing before shutting down and resume after starting.

startup.bat
boinc.exe --skip_cpu_benchmarks --detach
timeout 5
boinccmd --set_run_mode auto

shutdown.bat
boinccmd --set_run_mode never
timeout 5
boinccmd --quit

If you wan to handle the suspending resume of BOINC on the internet host then it could be done easily.

BM Start.bat
@ECHO OFF & cls & pushd %~dp0
set desc1=Starting BOINC Client
set pass=password
set doffset1=0
set doffset2=10
set prt=31416
set /a prt=%prt%+%doffset1%
:loopy
set /a nn=%nn%+1
@ECHO %desc1% %nn% %prt%
boinc.exe --gui_rpc_port %prt% --dir %~dp0Data%nn%\ --detach
timeout 10
boinccmd --host localhost:%prt% --passwd %pass% --set_run_mode never
set /a prt=%prt%+1
if %nn% LSS %doffset2% goto loopy

BM Stop.bat
@ECHO OFF & cls & pushd %~dp0
set desc1=Stopping BOINC Client
set pass=password
set doffset1=0
set doffset2=10
set prt=31416
set /a prt=%prt%+%doffset1%
:loopy
set /a nn=%nn%+1
@ECHO %desc1% %nn% %prt%
boinccmd --host localhost:%prt% --passwd %pass% --set_run_mode auto
timeout 5

boinccmd --host localhost:%prt% --passwd %pass% --quit
timeout 1
set /a prt=%prt%+1
if %nn% LSS %doffset2% goto loopy
timeout 20
taskkill /im boinc.exe /t /f
taskkill /im boincmgr.exe /t /f
del job_log*.* /s /q
del *.old /s /q
The timeout value needed will depend on host. I normally start with a high value like 30 seconds and make smaller until I find the lowest that works.

Another option could be to use --start_delay N on starting. A value longer than the time needed to finish upload, reporting, fetch new tasks, and close BOINC could be used.
boinc.exe --gui_rpc_port %prt% --dir %~dp0Data%nn%\ --detach --start_delay 7200
I don't know how large the delay can be. I have only used to 600 seconds for a 10 min delay.

To avoid starting a BOINC client when there is no data directory I would probably use if exist when starting and look for an important file like client_state.xml.
if exist %~dp0Data%nn%\client_state.xml boinc.exe --gui_rpc_port %prt% --dir %~dp0Data%nn%\ --detach
105) Message boards : Number crunching : "BOINC portable" for Windows hosts (Message 1891832)
Posted 25 Sep 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
BM Start.bat
@ECHO OFF & cls & pushd %~dp0
set desc1=Starting BOINC Client
set doffset1=0
set doffset2=10
set prt=31416
set /a prt=%prt%+%doffset1%
:loopy
set /a nn=%nn%+1
@ECHO %desc1% %nn% %prt%
boinc.exe --gui_rpc_port %prt% --dir %~dp0Data%nn%\ --detach
set /a prt=%prt%+1
if %nn% LSS %doffset2% goto loopy


BM Stop.bat
@ECHO OFF & cls & pushd %~dp0
set desc1=Stopping BOINC Client
set pass=password
set doffset1=0
set doffset2=10
set prt=31416
set /a prt=%prt%+%doffset1%
:loopy
set /a nn=%nn%+1
@ECHO %desc1% %nn% %prt%
boinccmd --host localhost:%prt% --passwd %pass% --quit
timeout 1
set /a prt=%prt%+1
if %nn% LSS %doffset2% goto loopy
timeout 20
taskkill /im boinc.exe /t /f
taskkill /im boincmgr.exe /t /f
del job_log*.* /s /q
del *.old /s /q
106) Message boards : Number crunching : "BOINC portable" for Windows hosts (Message 1891758)
Posted 25 Sep 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Looks like value in script for gui_rpc_auth.cfg password does not match. The 2nd line set pass=password needs to be the same.
My folder structure is like this:
C:\BOINC\
	boinc.exe
	boinccmd.exe
	boincupdate.bat
C:\BOINC\Data1\
	cc_config.xml
	client_state.xml
	gui_rpc_auth.cfg
C:\BOINC\Data2\
	cc_config.xml
	client_state.xml
	gui_rpc_auth.cfg
C:\BOINC\Data3\
	cc_config.xml
	client_state.xml
	gui_rpc_auth.cfg


Looks like I didn't include my start up script. It launches BOINC for each data directory. Along the lines of
boinc ----gui_rpc_port 31416 --dir Data1  --detach
boinc ----gui_rpc_port 31417 --dir Data2  --detach
boinc ----gui_rpc_port 31418 --dir Data3  --detach

I can copy/paste it once I return home from work in a few hours.

Each data folder has a cc_config.xml with at least these values set.
<allow_multiple_clients>1</allow_multiple_clients>
<allow_remote_gui_rpc>1</allow_remote_gui_rpc>
107) Message boards : Number crunching : RAC falling dramatically (Message 1891140)
Posted 21 Sep 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
RAC for the past few weeks has been relatively flat or on a slight uptick across my systems.
108) Message boards : Number crunching : Multicore smartphones - how to use their full potential (Message 1891000)
Posted 20 Sep 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Perhaps it resembles my issue. "switchedoff" CPU is on lowest possible frequency and keeps that freq no matter that phone has 2 active background tasks.

Interesting, if SETI would run on normal priority there - will it chenge?

BTW, what app did you use on screenshot?

It could be. Probably different phone manufactures implement power saving differently.
The app is System Info for Android.
109) Message boards : Number crunching : Multicore smartphones - how to use their full potential (Message 1890557)
Posted 18 Sep 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The main problem I have is keeping the CPU clock up no matter how many tasks I run at once.
110) Message boards : Number crunching : "BOINC portable" for Windows hosts (Message 1890553)
Posted 18 Sep 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
This is something I use on my multi BOINC systems. Perhaps it would be useful for what you need?
I rem out the attach or update line depending on what I need to do.
@ECHO OFF & cls & pushd %~dp0
set pass=password
set precmd=boinccmd --host localhost
set /a doffset1=0
set /a doffset2=10
set /a stprt=31416+%doffset1%

:project1
set pcnt=1
set Projecturl=http://nci.goofyxgridathome.net/
set ProjectKey=abc123
set /a endoffset=%doffset2%
goto worker

:project2
set pcnt=2
set Projecturl=https://wuprop.boinc-af.org/
set ProjectKey=abc123
set /a endoffset=%doffset2%-6
goto worker

:project3
set pcnt=3
set Projecturl=http://www.primegrid.com/
set ProjectKey=abc123
set /a endoffset=%doffset2%-9
goto worker

:worker
@ECHO Updating Project %pcnt%
set nn=%doffset1% & set /a prt=%stprt%+0
rem set cmd=--passwd %pass% --project_attach %Projecturl% %ProjectKey%
set cmd=--passwd %pass% --project %Projecturl% update
:loopy
set /a nn=%nn%+1
@ECHO Poked %prt% on Project %pcnt%%
%precmd%:%prt% %cmd%
set /a prt=%prt%+1
if %nn% LSS %endoffset% goto loopy
timeout 10
@ECHO.
if %pcnt% EQU 1 goto project2
if %pcnt% EQU 2 goto project3
111) Message boards : Number crunching : Intel's Atom surprisingly good on GPU part! (Message 1890542)
Posted 18 Sep 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I've generally been impressed with my Celeraon J1900 since I got it. Since it is the Silvermont(Bay Trail) version it only has a 7th generation Ivy Bridge iGPU, but still does pretty well.
Starting with your version, using 8th generation iGPU, Intel has used the same GT1 iGPU for the SoCs that the mobile CPUs use. So iGPU performance should be much better than mine.
I've been considering setting up a few more of these kinds of system with either a Celeron J3455 or Pentium J4205.
112) Message boards : Number crunching : Anyone ever play around with adding external GPU's to your laptop via the mini-PCIE? (Message 1889865)
Posted 15 Sep 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Not all mPCIe ports will work with this kind of adapter. Having these work with standard desktop MBs and a GPU seems to be about 50/50.
For $8 it is defiantly worth a shot to see if it works.
113) Message boards : Number crunching : I don't want to start "THAT" again, but ... (Message 1889158)
Posted 11 Sep 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Out of the larger units I have completed so far I've found they take ~40% longer and provide ~40% more credit than similar smaller task.

See my previous post- it all comes down to luck.

Since 'credit screwed' came out that has always been the case........LOL.

I had intended to mention the only tasks that are taking larger are the KIC ones from Tabby's Star, but I seem to have omitted that part.
Most likely I was under attack from a ferocious kitty demanding belly rubs at the time I was writing that.
114) Message boards : Number crunching : I don't want to start "THAT" again, but ... (Message 1888938)
Posted 10 Sep 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Out of the larger units I have completed so far I've found they take ~40% longer and provide ~40% more credit than similar smaller task.
115) Message boards : Number crunching : Boincstats signature graphics............. (Message 1888639)
Posted 8 Sep 2017 by Profile HAL9000
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If you go to boincstats.com and login you can modify your signature graphic in many different ways.
116) Message boards : Number crunching : Is graphics card memory size important for crunching? (Message 1888459)
Posted 7 Sep 2017 by Profile HAL9000
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I run 2 SETI@home tasks at once on my 750 Ti with -sbs 512 and I don't believe the total video memory used has reached 1GB.
I have not run Einstein tasks on my 750 yet. So I'm not sure about the memory usage there, since I noticed you also run that project.
117) Message boards : Number crunching : App_info Help Required (Message 1887981)
Posted 5 Sep 2017 by Profile HAL9000
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Whenever I change an app in my app_info.xml I also update my client_state.xml to match.
118) Message boards : Number crunching : Vega Frontier Edition (Message 1887133)
Posted 31 Aug 2017 by Profile HAL9000
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Karsten has an XFX RX 480 8gb GPU, I have an MSI RX 480 8gb GPU. He runs a Lunatics app on Windows 10, I run Seti stock app on Windows 7. The OpenCL capabilities as reported in the task output is the same as mine, yet he is able to run with an -sbs setting of 2048 and higher with no problems, whereas if I raise the -sbs setting to 1536 or higher, I get the same error message as the OP reported on his Vega. This shows that the error is a software limitation based upon how the app was compiled for a given operating system. The 3221225472 is 3gb of OpenCl memory, so allocating the 1460 MB or 1.5gb is no problem. When I use an -sbs setting of 1504, 1577MB of OpenCL memory is allocated for buffers.

The next test for the OP is to see how the Vega reacts to an Astropulse task. I suspect it will be like what happens on our GPUs and he won't be happy.

I would say it is more likely that it is a difference in how the drivers operate between Windows 10 & Windows 7.
I am able to use sbs vales of 2048 and higher in Windows 7 with r3557 or r3584.
119) Message boards : Number crunching : Vega Frontier Edition (Message 1887006)
Posted 31 Aug 2017 by Profile HAL9000
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In testing with my 8GB R9 390X using sbs values over 2048 showed no improvement. Until there is a 64-bit version of the app I wouldn't expect values of 4096 or greater to work.

It looks like the Vega 64 runs SETI@home tasks in about the same amount of time as a Fury X. My 390X runs normal AR tasks about the same as a Fury X taking ~6min.
I was hoping the Vega 56 might be a worthy replacement for my 390X, but the reviews I have seen for it are not all that great.
Since I also run Milkyway the reduced DP GFLOPs of Vega are not really desirable either.


I am having trouble seeing updated results with command line changes. Seems like in the past, the Valid task list was in a logical order. Now , I have trouble finding data for latest tasks. For tasks with sbs=4096, there is an error with a 30s wait time. I have not seen results since I have changed back to sbs=1024. Now, I have also changed to 2 tasks per GPU to see how it works out.

A believe tasks are sorted by the Task ID or the Task Name. Depending on which view you are using. I think being able to sort by the reported/deadline time would be a lot more helpful.
120) Message boards : Number crunching : Vega Frontier Edition (Message 1886978)
Posted 30 Aug 2017 by Profile HAL9000
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In testing with my 8GB R9 390X using sbs values over 2048 showed no improvement. Until there is a 64-bit version of the app I wouldn't expect values of 4096 or greater to work.

It looks like the Vega 64 runs SETI@home tasks in about the same amount of time as a Fury X. My 390X runs normal AR tasks about the same as a Fury X taking ~6min.
I was hoping the Vega 56 might be a worthy replacement for my 390X, but the reviews I have seen for it are not all that great.
Since I also run Milkyway the reduced DP GFLOPs of Vega are not really desirable either.
121) Message boards : Number crunching : Is nVidia TESLA good for Seti? (Message 1886417)
Posted 27 Aug 2017 by Profile HAL9000
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Hello,

Currently, for Seti@Home, we are mainly using nVidia GeForce and some AMD Radeon GPU's.
We'd like to increase our crunching performance by applying nVidia TESTLA GPU's, we never used it before.
I've already tried to find information about it, but didn't found anything.
So, will TESLA GPU have really magnificent performance when running Seti?
On nVidia GeForce 1080 we get about 40 000 in computer statistics.
Any information will be appreciated.

Best regards.

Tesla and GeForce GPUs use the same silicone. In most configurations the Tesla GPUs have lower clock rates.
DP performance of GeForce GPUs is limited to 1/32 of SP and some Tesla GPUs are 1/2 of SP. However SETI@home applications use SP and not DP.
So Tesla performance compared the GeForce counterpart would be the same or less.

Some users here have setup hosts in cloud computing environments that offer Tesla GPUs.
Which may be a lower cost alternative versus purchasing hardware.
122) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (107) Server Problems? (Message 1886122)
Posted 26 Aug 2017 by Profile HAL9000
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Are we crashing here????
Checked a couple of rigs, and getting 'no tasks available'.
And the stats pages are not responding well at all.
Hope not, being Friday afternoon.

Meow?


. . AAhhh, so the bug has reached the Kittyman ... :(

Stephen

Nah. Full up again with no intervention.
Something else was afoot. My pendings also shot up and then dropped back down when the downloads started coming again.

Not sure what happened, but it looks like I missed it somehow.
Project details for: SETI@home including all dates
Total number of work requests: 507
Number of requests gaining work: 159
Number of requests not gaining work: 348
Number of requests not gaining work: 336 (project task limit)
Number of requests not gaining work: 9 (project shut down for maintenance)
Number of requests not gaining work: 1 (request was too recent)
Number of requests not gaining work: 2 (Project has no tasks available)
Number of times no work was requested: 0
Number of tasks gained: 190

Project details for: SETI@home on 25-Aug-2017
Total number of work requests: 134
Number of requests gaining work: 43
Number of requests not gaining work: 91
Number of requests not gaining work: 91 (project task limit)
Number of tasks gained: 44

Project details for: SETI@home on 24-Aug-2017
Total number of work requests: 148
Number of requests gaining work: 46
Number of requests not gaining work: 102
Number of requests not gaining work: 101 (project task limit)
Number of requests not gaining work: 1 (request too recent)
Number of tasks gained: 51

Project details for: SETI@home on 23-Aug-2017
Total number of work requests: 135
Number of requests gaining work: 42
Number of requests not gaining work: 93
Number of requests not gaining work: 91 (project task limit)
Number of requests not gaining work: 2 (Project has no tasks available)
Number of tasks gained: 45

Project details for: SETI@home on 22-Aug-2017
Total number of work requests: 90
Number of requests gaining work: 28
Number of requests not gaining work: 62
Number of requests not gaining work: 53 (project task limit)
Number of requests not gaining work: 9 (project down for maintenance)
Number of tasks gained: 50

No Scheduler Requests found for SETI@home on 21-Aug-2017

No Scheduler Requests found for SETI@home on 20-Aug-2017
123) Message boards : Number crunching : Asus 19 PCIe slot Motherboard (Message 1885978)
Posted 25 Aug 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thanks for that. Yea I didn't have a lot of time to look in depth on that board so I guess my original thought was right about CPU.

Minimum 3 PSU (betting would need more) so how to get them all to power on at the same time and off.

The easy way would be to buy premade switching devices.
Along the lines of: http://www.add2psu.com/store/
124) Message boards : Number crunching : Asus 19 PCIe slot Motherboard (Message 1885964)
Posted 25 Aug 2017 by Profile HAL9000
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It turns out you need to run Linux in order to make it work. Only 8 Nvidia and 8 AMD cards currently.

AMD is said to be working on a new driver that will allow full 19 PCIe usage.

I wonder if one of the new i9 10 cores would work in it??? Ideal would be an Threadripper Mobo with 19 PCIe slots...But then the question becomes, how in the HECK do you power all those GPUs and the board????

The first issue you would have with putting an i9 on that board would be shoving a LGA2066 CPU into a LGA1151 socket.
125) Message boards : Number crunching : Asus 19 PCIe slot Motherboard (Message 1885857)
Posted 24 Aug 2017 by Profile HAL9000
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I agree, I don't like the idea of having to use a Kabylake CPU, not enough cores and not enough PCIe lanes..


Of course after I said this I saw the new i9

Intel Core i9-7900X X-Series 3.3 GHz Ten-Core LGA 2066 Processor

Hmm.. I still don't like only 2 stick of RAM....

The B250 is the lowest end chipset with the fewest features, but it does support 12 PCIe 3.0 lanes. The CPU also has its 16 PCIe lanes.
It is plenty for a miner, but since you can only put an i7 with 4c/8t in it wouldn't do much good for projects that need more CPU support.

If you wanted to go nuts with GPUs you would probably be better off with a 20 slot PCIe backplane setup.
126) Message boards : Number crunching : I have a new system, expected runtimes? (Message 1885333)
Posted 21 Aug 2017 by Profile HAL9000
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A big improvement in memory bandwidth, particularly writes.


Indeed it is, I wonder what the difference is when I add an additional dimm per socket

What app generates the memory chart output?
I can run it on mine for comparison.
Intel states the max memory bandwidth for these CPUs is 51.2 GB/s.


You kinda need to compile it yourself: https://github.com/opcm/pcm

Looks like their last build before moving it to github has vanished.
There are compiled exes but none of the other required files. :/
Figures I don't have an environment setup to build things since I torn apart my VM server with it.
127) Message boards : Number crunching : Building 4 GPU host, which cabinet? (Message 1885332)
Posted 21 Aug 2017 by Profile HAL9000
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Use a 19" x 15" rack frame, PSUs & other "support" stuff in a 4U layer at the bottom, motherboard in a 6U layer in the middle, then radiators etc in a 3 or 4 U layer at the top. Plenty of space for circulation fans on the middle layer to keep the beast cool.

I think the Core WP200 might work along the lines of what you are thinking.
The expansion cabinet could be placed on top with four 600mm radiators.

128) Message boards : Number crunching : I have a new system, expected runtimes? (Message 1885259)
Posted 21 Aug 2017 by Profile HAL9000
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A big improvement in memory bandwidth, particularly writes.


Indeed it is, I wonder what the difference is when I add an additional dimm per socket

What app generates the memory chart output?
I can run it on mine for comparison.
Intel states the max memory bandwidth for these CPUs is 51.2 GB/s.
129) Message boards : News : Web site upgrade (Message 1885258)
Posted 21 Aug 2017 by Profile HAL9000
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I suppose it's the same colours as used on the server status page: https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/show_server_status.php

I believe it works for the status page. As it has a larger front size and it bold.
The forum buttons with white text on green are somewhat less user friendly. It is nearly as bad a bright yellow on white for me.
The darker green that is used when mousing over the buttons I find to be much more clear.
130) Message boards : Number crunching : Building 4 GPU host, which cabinet? (Message 1885208)
Posted 21 Aug 2017 by Profile HAL9000
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I'm going to try something like the Thermaltake Core X9 when I need new cases as the GPU's won't be stacked on top of each other and they should run cooler.

Cheers.

I have a Core X9 and it is huge. The Core X5 might be a better option for anyone planning to only use radiators up to 360mm.
131) Message boards : Number crunching : Come on admit it, you have an E5-2670 crunching on Boinc and/or Seti@Home. How is it doing? (Message 1885048)
Posted 20 Aug 2017 by Profile HAL9000
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For interest, anyone got a comparison for running the system with a lean Linux distro compared to the much larger Windows installs?

The top spots look to go to Linux for the time being at least:

Top hosts


Is there a few more percent to be gained there??

Happy fast crunchin',
Martin

Petri's GPU app has significant gains and is currently only for Linux.
For the CPU apps there is no advantage to running any specific OS.
132) Message boards : Number crunching : Come on admit it, you have an E5-2670 crunching on Boinc and/or Seti@Home. How is it doing? (Message 1884540)
Posted 17 Aug 2017 by Profile HAL9000
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My next experiment with the E5-2670 box is to upgrade to a MS Windows Server 2012 r2 (standard) so I can practice being a system admin and other assorted skills.


Having now installed MS Windows Server 2012 r2 I have some advice.

Don't install this type of OS [SERVER] unless you have an over-riding need like I did/do. Even when installed with the GUI it feels awkward and clumsy because it is a "Server" not a workstation.

It doesn't even have a shutdown button in the Gui. You have to go to the powershell and type "shutdown /s" w/o the quotes. No, I don't know what the /s means. I am working my way through the very beginning of an "install and configure" the MS Server 2012 r2 course.

I ran across a method of installing MS Security Essentials (which is unsupported) so I don't have to pay even more for a Server level anti-virus. I did manage to get the two profiles merged on the Seti Website. Right now it still looks like I may end up going thru the application test cycle again.

If you change OS's it might be a good idea to immediately suspend get new tasks until you have the profiles merged. Then it MIGHT just send you what it was sending you.

Otherwise it seems to be just munching along like it used to.

Tom

I'm not sure why are are having to run shutdown from the command line. You can press the windows button and then click the power button on the start screen just like in the desktop version of Windows.
If you add the server feature Desktop Experience then you will get most of the things from the desktop OS that you may want for a workstation setup.
133) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (107) Server Problems? (Message 1883911)
Posted 14 Aug 2017 by Profile HAL9000
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I've simplified my cc_config files on all machines down to bare minimum. There was a lot of fluff in there. Basically every option that can be set was in the file and even though they mostly were all set to 0, I figure if the client doesn't need to read them, all the better. Will be interesting to watch and see if that makes any kind of dramatic difference in my work request issues.

My cc_config is set in a similar way. If I add an option for testing I leave it in and set to 0. I figure it is less work if I want to use it later.
Currently my standard cc_config, that I copy when setting up a new host, is 82 lines line.
134) Message boards : Number crunching : Completed WUs going nowhere? (Message 1883910)
Posted 14 Aug 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hi everyone,

I have an old netbook that was working successfully on SETI@home WUs for a few weeks before I went on vacation. I left it running while on vacation, but there was a power failure while I was away, and then another power failure after that.

After I got back and turned the machine back on and got Boinc running again, it looks (from boincmgr) to be working. It has been submitting completed WUs most days. But the WUs aren't being counted. There is an increasingly large list of "In Progress" tasks, and the total credit has been stuck at 2977 for quite a while (maybe since before I went on vacation?)

Another strange symptom: the "number of times client has contacted server" number was 0 after restart, and stayed at 0 through a few apparent complete WU uploads.

The computer is Squishy.

I'm just hoping someone has some pointers for figuring out what is going wrong.

If you check out the external stat sites you can kind of get an idea of what your computer was doing.
It has been at 2977 credit for a few days and received 988 credit on August 11th.


Validated tasks are cleaned up after ~24 hours.
135) Message boards : Number crunching : So who is going to be a guinea-pig this time?? (Message 1883648)
Posted 13 Aug 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thanks for all the comments guys, and it may be too early to tell, though I know that I've heard that X299 has had some teething problems, but does anyone have any thoughts on the v 1.0 of this new platform? X99 sure could have been rolled out better, and this one looks like a copy of that experience?

No idea.
If you're buying something for work, then go with the established platform. If it's for play, then go for the new platform IMHO. If you really want to go with the new platform, give it at least 6 months for any issues to be discovered and addressed.

+1
Which sort of flows back to the original premise of the OP. Who is willing to be a guinea pig for ANY of the new platforms? X299 or X399. Do you like living on the bleeding edge and just diving in or do you wait and test the waters to make sure it is a deep pool or is in reality a bathtub.

I have been tested with the teething problems of the new AM4 platform and Ryzen with the memory and BIOS issues. I think I will be seated on the sidelines for a good half year watching TR develop before I consider testing the waters. I don't think the platform maturity will take as long though with the learning from Ryzen and AM4.

I was looking to upgrade my main gaming system from an i5-4670 to an i5-8600 or i7-8700 with a 300 series chipset. Since since they already announced the 10nm process CPUs and 400 series chipset will be released early 2018 I'll wait to upgrade that system.
I am thinking about putting together an i3-8350K and a R3-1300X. So that I can compare them in power, thermal, and clock-clock task run times.
Then whichever one "wins" can replace my other i5-4670 as my HTPC.
136) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (107) Server Problems? (Message 1883631)
Posted 13 Aug 2017 by Profile HAL9000
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The 1000 total WU limit is in BOINC.
The 100 WUs per CPU/GPU limit is a Seti one.

So the 1000 limit is circumventable with the proper coding knowledge, but the 100 is client side and is in stone?

I can only guess that the "1000 limit" in the client is per work request.
The current client is more than happy to cache several thousand tasks at once.
It is only slightly amusing when checking on a machine to find it has 8,000+ tasks from a newly attached project because you forgot your cache settings were 10+10 days and it only stopped downloading work because the partition where BOINC stores its data is full. -.-

One of the ways to circumvent the task limits only requires a very small change. It was two characters IIRC.
Having the limits in place and working is better for the project. Otherwise we get the random db crashes that sometimes take days to fix.

They did change the hard limit of 100 GPU tasks to 100*n GPUs per vendor. Which is nice, but with the increase in CPU power it would be nice to see the CPU limits get looked at again.
Currently 100 tasks don't last that long for even older CPU hardware.
E5-2670 @ 3.0GHz running 32 at a time ~8hr
i5-4670 @ 3.4GHz running 4 at a time ~20hr
I have a feeling the new i7-8700K with 6c/12t could tear through 100 tasks in ~6-7hrs.
137) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (107) Server Problems? (Message 1883393)
Posted 12 Aug 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

Pretty early on things like BOINC and OS versions were discussed to try and pinpoint their issue.
Nothing has really made sense as to why only a few users are having issues.
The only thing I can think of at this point is that there is some weirdness along their route connecting to Berkley.

You allude to connectivity issues being the problem. But if you don't connect to Berkeley, then you obviously couldn't get the responses we receive that you have reached a limit of tasks in progress or that there are no tasks to send.

Connectivity issues can be a lot more complicated than simply connection vs no connection.
If the data is malformed or truncated you can still get a response, but it likely won't be what is expected.
Not receiving a "Not sending work - last request too recent:" response after performing several updates would indicate something is being lost.
138) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (107) Server Problems? (Message 1883388)
Posted 12 Aug 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I wish I had some advice for everybody here, but alas I do not.
I don't wish to jinx myself, but I have never had any problem getting work except when RTS was empty and nobody was getting much work.

I am using an old tried and true version of Boinc. I can't imagine that the work requests from the old Boinc are different than from a recent version, or that the scheduler would treat them any differently.
I am using XP on 4 rigs, and 7 on my daily driver. No difference there.
I am using the most recent version of the Lunatics installer.

I dunno. Maybe the scheduler just says 'Make way, it's the kittyman calling'...............LOL.

Meow meow meow.

Pretty early on things like BOINC and OS versions were discussed to try and pinpoint their issue.
Nothing has really made sense as to why only a few users are having issues.
The only thing I can think of at this point is that there is some weirdness along their route connecting to Berkley.
139) Message boards : Number crunching : Thoughts on the new Intel X299 platform? (Message 1883113)
Posted 11 Aug 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Well, that was what piqued my interest.

I can think of lots of questions:
--can a Phi run an x86 app unmodified?
--can it run a windows x86 app unmodified?
--what is it about the app that makes it run on the Phi, not the standard CPU?
--does intel supply a launcher/dispatcher/wrapper which can initiate any given app on the Phi?

--can BOINC define a Phi coprocessor? (yes, there's a 'roll your own' option)
--can a given BOINC app be defined to run on the r-y-o copro? (yes, app_info should take care of that, subject to the first group of answers)

--will a BOINC server allocate tasks to an anonymous app on a r-y-o copro?
--will the SETI server allocate tasks to an anonymous app on a r-y-o copro?

Any more, before I pony up 8 months of pension?

You may be interested in this review https://www.servethehome.com/supermicro-sys-5038k-i-es1-intel-xeon-phi-x200-developer-workstation-review/

Looking at BOINCstats I did find it lists 445 Intel(R) Xeon Phi(tm) CPU 7210F @ 1.30GHz CPUs. It looks like there are a number of them on Rosetta. So far the only two hosts I have found, 3226111 3225268, are no longer active, but did complete worked with their standard app.
140) Message boards : Number crunching : Thoughts on the new Intel X299 platform? (Message 1883054)
Posted 10 Aug 2017 by Profile HAL9000
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I'd idly wandered past the Xeon Phi pages a few days ago, now that they are available to order in the UK in a workstation format.

But I think the 68-core Phi itself is configured as a coprocessor, not directly available to either Windows or BOINC. But we won't know for certain until somebody buys one...

Unless Intel is releasing them with different names in the UK I think that site might have some mixed up info.
Currently on Intel's site they list the Phi x100's as add-in cards and the Phi x200's as LGA3647 CPUs.
There is no mention of a 7220A. There is a 7120A add-in card but it is only 61 cores. The 68 core CPUs are 7250's.
Since it they have been released I have been considering something like a SuperMicro setup https://www.supermicro.com/products/system/tower/5038/SYS-5038K-I.cfm with the 7230.

For some reason I was thinking these had 8:1 HT but it looks like it is actually 4:1. Which may still prove interesting. However it's not '$3500 for base components' interesting. At least not to me.
141) Message boards : Number crunching : Thoughts on the new Intel X299 platform? (Message 1882897)
Posted 10 Aug 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I'm not really sure what the purpose of the i5-7640X & i7-7740X are. They are slightly higher clock versions of the i5-7600K & i7-7700K for LGA2066.
Probably one of the first reasons to even go with a LGA2066 setup is quad channel memory. Which those CPUs don't give you.
Another reason to go with LGA2066 would be for the extra PCIe lanes. The i7-7800X & i7-7820X only give you 28 PCIe lanes
So it doesn't sense to me to go with anything less than the i9-7900X for a LGA2066 x299 setup.

If I needed a single socket system with a lot of cores I might consider a Xeon Phi x200 CPU setup. It would be interesting to see how an OS handles a 72c/576t processor.

For now I'm just considering getting an i3-8350K and a Ryzen 3 1300. Then putting them side by side with the same clock settings and see how well they crunch. Since most crunching doesn't translate well to standard benchmarks.
142) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows 10 - Yea or Nay? (Message 1882696)
Posted 7 Aug 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The "You're all crazy" sent a perfectly innocent coffee up my nose and elsewhere...!!
Martin, you still haven't learned how to drink coffee off your monitor? :-)

Something along the lines of this I would imagine.
143) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (107) Server Problems? (Message 1882523)
Posted 7 Aug 2017 by Profile HAL9000
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I don't know whether it was the flipping applications or a complete restart of BOINC, but I am slowly refilling my gpu cache. What I always wonder is how everyone else but me gets such a huge slug of tasks in one download. I have never received more than 20 tasks at one time on any machine of mine even though I might have zero tasks in my cache. Your 70 tasks in that request TBar just astonishes me.

After an outage I will often have me cached filled in one request. Along the lines of:
01-Aug-2017 20:09:22 [SETI@home] Requesting new tasks for CPU
01-Aug-2017 20:09:24 [SETI@home] Scheduler request completed: got 100 new tasks
144) Message boards : Number crunching : Seti task runtime on Westmare or IvB or Hsw/Bdw (Message 1882501)
Posted 6 Aug 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hi, curently I'm using double X5675 Westmares. I'm interested how S@H tasks would benefit from AVX or AVX2 instruction sets. Now my 3.07GHz thread takes 4h50mins to process a workunit. How long would it take on E5-26.../V2 or E5-26... V3/4, supposing the same GHz (which I know that are different)? Is it worth transiting to those processors comparing to geting a second double X5675 computer (which is times cheaper)?

I normally find the AVX app is about 35-40% faster than the SSE3 app on my hosts.
My 16c/32t dual E5-2670 @ 3.0GHz host using the AVX app complete SETI@home tasks in ~2-2.5 hours.
145) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (107) Server Problems? (Message 1882498)
Posted 6 Aug 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I'm down to about 50 gpu tasks when I should be at 300. Keep getting the project has no work available. I have changed my preferences multiple times now. This is on the special app machine so it crunches through them especially fast. Anybody else having issues getting gpu work?

My hosts have full queues and I have a total of 3 "project has no work" messages across them.
I don't seem to be one of the users that has bad luck if hitting an empty feeder queue often.
146) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (107) Server Problems? (Message 1881937)
Posted 3 Aug 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

My router allows me to add DNS entries. Then I have the DHCP server pass out the router address for DNS to my machines. That way I don't have to update host files for all of my machines.

That could be a more convenient way for others as well.

You know, that is a very good suggestion and more elegant than editing Hosts. I think my router can do the same and it is my DNS server for my computers.

The only disadvantage I have found is not being able to enter both addressed for the download servers.
147) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (107) Server Problems? (Message 1881877)
Posted 3 Aug 2017 by Profile HAL9000
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I'm wondering how all my computers keep getting the SETI servers hosts entries commented out. They can't connect in that state. Unless I notice the building uploads or the messages that no work can be retrieved because of pending uploads, I wouldn't have known to go check the hosts file again. I don't know whether it is Windows doing the deed of some antivirus program. I have Kaspersky on the Win7 machines and using Defender on the Win10 machine. Two different AV programs makes it unlikely that they both are doing the same thing. Unless Windows directs them to do that.

My router allows me to add DNS entries. Then I have the DHCP server pass out the router address for DNS to my machines. That way I don't have to update host files for all of my machines.

That could be a more convenient way for others as well.
148) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows Crashing, Blue screen error "Tread stuck in device driver" & Windows update fail (Message 1881623)
Posted 2 Aug 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Installed the 15.7.1, and 7870 still crashing, so I probably a hardware issue.

Brett

I guess you will just have to replace it with a RX Vega 64...
149) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (107) Server Problems? (Message 1881622)
Posted 2 Aug 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I've got 3 hosts that are having upload problems and scheduler failures for Seti. Other projects seem fine on other hosts. Server status page says upload and schedulers working so maybe another DNS issue.

[edit]Just after posting that uploads start going through.

That's how it normally works. "Hey it's not working... oh there it goes". Seems like almost every time!
150) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (107) Server Problems? (Message 1881555)
Posted 2 Aug 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have only had a few message for unable to resolve host name on my end.

Project details for: SETI@home including all dates
Scheduler Requests: 4526
Scheduler Success: 98 %, Count: 4480
Scheduler Failure: 1 %, Count: 46 (Total)
Scheduler Failure: 0 % of total, Count: 9 (Couldn't connect to server)
Scheduler Failure: 0 % of total, Count: 6 (HTTP service unavailable)
Scheduler Failure: 0 % of total, Count: 2 (HTTP internal server error)
Scheduler Failure: 0 % of total, Count: 28 (Couldn't resolve host name)
Scheduler Failure: 0 % of total, Count: 1 (Failure when receiving data from the peer)
Scheduler Failure: 0 % of total, Count: 0 (Timeout was reached)
Scheduler Timeout: 0 % of failures

Project details for: SETI@home including 01-Aug-2017
Scheduler Requests: 253
Scheduler Success: 98 %, Count: 249
Scheduler Failure: 1 %, Count: 4 (Total)
Scheduler Failure: 1 % of total, Count: 4 (Couldn't resolve host name)

Project details for: SETI@home including 31-Jul-2017
Scheduler Requests: 278
Scheduler Success: 100 %, Count: 278

Project details for: SETI@home including 30-Jul-2017
Scheduler Requests: 282
Scheduler Success: 98 %, Count: 277
Scheduler Failure: 1 %, Count: 5 (Total)
Scheduler Failure: 1 % of total, Count: 4 (Couldn't connect to server)
Scheduler Failure: 0 % of total, Count: 1 (HTTP service unavailable)

Project details for: SETI@home including 29-Jul-2017
Scheduler Requests: 279
Scheduler Success: 100 %, Count: 279

Project details for: SETI@home including 28-Jul-2017
Scheduler Requests: 278
Scheduler Success: 99 %, Count: 277
Scheduler Failure: 0 %, Count: 1 (Total)
Scheduler Failure: 0 % of total, Count: 1 (HTTP service unavailable)

Project details for: SETI@home including 27-Jul-2017
Scheduler Requests: 279
Scheduler Success: 100 %, Count: 279

Project details for: SETI@home including 26-Jul-2017
Scheduler Requests: 279
Scheduler Success: 100 %, Count: 279

Project details for: SETI@home including 25-Jul-2017
Scheduler Requests: 291
Scheduler Success: 99 %, Count: 290
Scheduler Failure: 0 %, Count: 1 (Total)
Scheduler Failure: 0 % of total, Count: 1 (HTTP service unavailable)
151) Message boards : Number crunching : Come on admit it, you have an E5-2670 crunching on Boinc and/or Seti@Home. How is it doing? (Message 1881367)
Posted 31 Jul 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
For the past month or two I've been running 31 SETI@home tasks and 1 CPDN task on the one I've had up since October. It's currently averaging ~31,500 and I believe the range since it leveled off is something like 28-35,000.

At some point I might put a pair of 1050 Ti's or RX 560's in for fun.
152) Message boards : Number crunching : Building a 32-Thread Xeon Monster PC for Less Than the Price of a Flagship Core i7 (Message 1880646)
Posted 27 Jul 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
A setting to Enable/Disable Turbo is probably in the same area where the number of cores is set as well as HT Enable/Disable. I haven't been in the BIOS for a few months, but I can double check once I get home from work.
Looking at the downloads for the S2600CP2J I do see they just released a new firmware a few days ago. The release notes don't mention anything other than patching a security issue. I would expect the options to be the same.

The E5-2670 has different number of turbo bins depending on the number of cores that are enabled.
8 to 7 cores, 4 bins, max of 3.0GHz
6 or 5 cores, 5 bins, max of 3.1GHz
4 or 3 cores, 6 bins, max of 3.2GHz
2 or 1 cores, 7 bins, max of 3.3GHz.


I would appreciate some direction on this. THANKYOU.

Tom

ps. Do you run a raid 1 on this motherboard?

The Turbo settings is right where I figured it would be. Advanced > Processor > Turbo Enable/Disable.
I also have disabled the C3 and C6 states. It's just something I have a habit of doing. It probably won't effect the turbo function.
Under Advanced > Performance? (I forgot what the menu name was) I set the system to Performance. Rather than Efficiency or any of the other options.

The Intel RSTe supports RAID for modes 0, 1, 10, & 5. Currently I have the controller configured for AHCI rather than RAID. As I don't have all of the SSDs to setup the RAID configuration I want.
153) Message boards : Number crunching : Building a 32-Thread Xeon Monster PC for Less Than the Price of a Flagship Core i7 (Message 1880385)
Posted 26 Jul 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Mine came with older firmware that didn't have turbo support. It is much nicer running at 3.0GHz instead of 2.6GHz.


Ok, I have just updated this MB's bios to the most current that Intel has.

My MB is an Intel S2600CP xxxxx class motherboard.

It already had Turbo support.

How are you getting yours to run at 3.0Ghz? Windows Task manager reports its running at 2.6Ghz.

I know there are some performance settings in the Bios but I would rather repeat an "experiment" than attempt one.

If you are not running this MB I would still like your input before I "go where I haven't been (yet) before." :0

Thank you,
Tom

A setting to Enable/Disable Turbo is probably in the same area where the number of cores is set as well as HT Enable/Disable. I haven't been in the BIOS for a few months, but I can double check once I get home from work.
Looking at the downloads for the S2600CP2J I do see they just released a new firmware a few days ago. The release notes don't mention anything other than patching a security issue. I would expect the options to be the same.

The E5-2670 has different number of turbo bins depending on the number of cores that are enabled.
8 to 7 cores, 4 bins, max of 3.0GHz
6 or 5 cores, 5 bins, max of 3.1GHz
4 or 3 cores, 6 bins, max of 3.2GHz
2 or 1 cores, 7 bins, max of 3.3GHz

There are thermal limits to run those clock frequencies as well. I have seen mine drop to 2.9GHz on a really hot day while I was away and had the thermostat set to 80ºF. I imagine my computer loft was 85ºF+ at the time. As it does tend to be noticeably warmer up there.
154) Message boards : Number crunching : Building a 32-Thread Xeon Monster PC for Less Than the Price of a Flagship Core i7 (Message 1880268)
Posted 25 Jul 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
8. Should you decided to update the BIOS. Let the system do its thing after following the instructions.
It may want to spend a few minutes beeping and rebooting. This is normal and not a sign that you have killed it. Despite it seeming as if you did.


So far I haven't felt the urge to update the bios. It seems to be working on all 32 "cylinders" so hopefully I won't feel "that" urge....

Tom

Mine came with older firmware that didn't have turbo support. It is much nicer running at 3.0GHz instead of 2.6GHz.
155) Message boards : Number crunching : Building a 32-Thread Xeon Monster PC for Less Than the Price of a Flagship Core i7 (Message 1880228)
Posted 25 Jul 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
8. Should you decided to update the BIOS. Let the system do its thing after following the instructions.
It may want to spend a few minutes beeping and rebooting. This is normal and not a sign that you have killed it. Despite it seeming as if you did.
156) Message boards : Number crunching : Reports on experiments with a Dell Optiplex 7010 Microtower (Message 1879924)
Posted 23 Jul 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
So it sounds like I need to go ahead and put an app_config.xml in each project telling it to use one cpu for one gpu. Otherwise I won't be getting the full "you really need 1 core for each SOG gpu task" when I am not running Seti on the cpu's?


I just tried that. While I can constraint the total number cpu tasks running on a project apparently I can't require each project to dedicate a core to my Seti gpu task when the non-Seti cpu task is running?

<app_config>
<app>
<name>minirosetta</name>
<gpu_versions>
<gpu_usage>1.0</gpu_usage>
<cpu_usage>1.0</cpu_usage>
</gpu_versions>
</app>
</app_config>


What am I missing?

Tom


Since Rosetta doesn't have a GPU application this app_config will do nothing.

In BOINC Manger does it say Running (1 CPUs + 1 Nvidia GPUs) for the GPU task?
Are you certain you actually have 8 CPU task running while the GPU task is active & that none of them say waiting to run?
157) Message boards : Number crunching : New binary to test on beta (Message 1879920)
Posted 23 Jul 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I don't believe a new 32-bit CPU was released to beta recently, only the 64-bit one.

OK, looks like the terminology is confusing me.

So the new stock "Windows/x86 running on an AMD x86_64 or Intel EM64T CPU 8.08 (alt)" application will also run on 32bit OSs- the 64 bit part only relates to the CPU?

Ah I can see how that might be misinterpreted.
"Windows/x86 running on an AMD x86_64 or Intel EM64T CPU" should probably read "Windows/x86_64 running on an AMD x86_64 or Intel EM64T CPU" like the Linux platforms are Linux/x86 and Linux/x86_64.
It looks like the BOINC default platform text labels are:
Microsoft Windows (98 or later) running on an Intel x86-compatible CPU
Microsoft Windows running on an AMD x86_64 or Intel EM64T CPU

Without the use of virtualization I am not aware of any means of running 64-bit applications in a 32-bit OS.
158) Message boards : Number crunching : Ok, what the heck is going on with limiting availability of video cards?? At least at Micro Center? (Message 1879781)
Posted 23 Jul 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Wait for it................................wait for it...........................

Meow.

Eggsactly! Patience I believe will be a virtue in this instance. I was at Microcenter a few days ago, their shelves were still wiped out, other than some $650-850 cards, and the channel certainly isn't anywhere close to being refilled again, so I think there is a bit more pain to be felt by the less savvy of the mining group. Which will be Great for us... Silly Rabbit, mining is for fools. ;-)

I found that PSUs are also in a similar situation. At least all of the ones I've tried to order for the past month.
They either become out of stock or cancel my order and raise the price $30.
I just want to power more of my dual E5-2670's!
159) Message boards : Number crunching : New binary to test on beta (Message 1879773)
Posted 23 Jul 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Does anyone have a copy of the new CPU executable to download for 32bit OSs?
I've got Lunatics installed on my old C2D, this new application is much faster than the older one for that hardware.
I'm guessing I just need the executable in the Seti project directory, and change all the references in app_info.xml from the present one to the new one & it should work? No other files required (it uses the existing ones?)


Grant,
I looked high and low but can't find your C2D (32 bit) listed as a computer that is running on Seti/SetiBeta now. Might try setting it up under SetiBeta. I looked at another response here and am inferring that there has been a 32 bit version available for a month. I run all 64 bit so I can't help.

Tom

It's probably their host 3329090 with Vista 32-bit.
So long as they are not hidden you can select a user profile and then next to Computers click on View

I don't believe a new 32-bit CPU was released to beta recently, only the 64-bit one.
160) Message boards : Number crunching : Reports on experiments with a Dell Optiplex 7010 Microtower (Message 1879521)
Posted 21 Jul 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
What you will notice when the iGPU is processing tasks, in an app called ThrottleStop, is that some cores maybe downclocking to keep within the TDP.
I noticed this when I was processing tasks with my i5-4210U, 2 tasks on the CPU + 1 iGPU task = Throttle hell

Interesting. I could see your i5-4210U hitting it's 15W TDP limit and throttling fairly easily.
When I was testing with my i5-4670K I didn't observe any CPU or GPU throttling.

Something else that is interesting. My J1900 can run iGPU tasks without effecting the CPU run times. It is configured a little differently than a standard desktop CPU.
Where the standard desktop CPUs have a L3 cache shared by all CPU cores and the GPU. The J1900 has a 1MB cache for each pair of cores which the iGPU also uses.
I have a theory that the iGPUs with dedicated cache may not have the same effect on CPU run times. However I have not yet been able to obtain a CPU with such a iGPU for a reasonable amount to confirm my theory.
161) Message boards : Number crunching : Reports on experiments with a Dell Optiplex 7010 Microtower (Message 1879277)
Posted 20 Jul 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
So, right now, I don't think I have any support for using Intel GPU HD4000 slows down the whole system theory. The results might change if there was not also a discrete gpu running.


The "graph" however, shows a distinct downward trend ever since I started up the Intel gpu. So that maybe my negative evidence.

Tom

Lower overall output is expected. It is pretty well documented.
Here are some older threads on the subject you can read over.
A journey: iGPU slowing CPU processing
iGPU tuning
Loading APU to the limit: performance considerations - ongoing research
162) Message boards : Number crunching : Getting the most production for the least electricity (Message 1878995)
Posted 19 Jul 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Since I don't make dedicated crunching machines. I spec my systems for what I need and then see how the configuration runs the tasks for my projects.


Hal,
Thank you for the additional discussion.

If you were going to pick the most power efficient i7 w/HT and at least 3Ghz base speed what would you pick?

Ditto 6c/12t Any "man on horseback guesses"?

Ditto 8c/12t. I am confident that the E5-2670 is not the lowest powered version of this core count even though it has some of the best used prices out there. And when we get up into 8c's running much faster than 2.5Ghz turns out to be VERY expensive. Any "man on horseback guesses"?

Tom

CPU efficiency is normally pretty easy. Newer generations are typically something like 15% more efficient than their previous generation..
For an i7 it depends on if you are looking a the LGA1150/1 or LGA2011/66 versions.

I only see the need to go to the LGA2011/66 versions if you have a need for the extra PCIe lanes, but to get more than 28 you are looking at the top end parts that are $1000.
Even then you will probably only be looking at x16/16/8/4 or x16/8/8/8 PCIe configurations. They also have quad channel RAM which is nice, but isn't always a huge boost over dual channel.

For the LGA1150/1 versions it is mostly deciding if you want to overclock or not. If you do then you want the K version. Otherwise it is the standard version.
You can also get MBs that offer x8/8/8/8 PCIe configurations if you want to spend the money.

The E5-2650 v2 is the successor to the E5-2670. Pretty much the same specs but 20w less TDP and can use faster memory.
If you want to go to the v4 Xeons there are some less costly options there too. Such as the 14c/28t E5-2683 v3 or 16c/32t E5-2675 v3.
Depending on your requirements they could be better options. For me the E5-2670's are well suited for me.
163) Message boards : Number crunching : Is there anyway to search for specific Boinc/Seti computer systems? (Message 1878939)
Posted 19 Jul 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
You could download the master user xml files and search through them.
They are available somewhere, but I don't see them right now.
They're at https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/stats/. However, it might be worth reading the thread "Is there are way or a place to get the bulk data from: Statistics | Top Computers/Hosts?" concerning the large file size and searchability issues before jumping in feet first.


You are right, they are pretty good sized. BUT if the information includes both the user email and the specs on the cpu then it is exactly what I am looking for. I even have a fairly recent vintage Access 2010. If I can get it loaded and end up with fields with some search functionality. Hmmmm....

It maybe however that Notepad++ would be able to simply "find" all the X5670's for instance and that would give me a list that I can some how send out emails or PM's to.

Tom

The 4.5GB file is a bit to large for Notepad++, but there are 927 hosts that have Xeon X5670 CPUs in the host stats output.
164) Message boards : Number crunching : Reports on experiments with a Dell Optiplex 7010 Microtower (Message 1878869)
Posted 18 Jul 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
GPU projects that I know of:

Seti, Seti_Beta, Einstein, Collatz, Milkyway, MooWrapper, PrimeGrid, Xansons, Burp, Universe, GPUGrid.

Some of the projects due not have a client for every type Nvidia, Amd, Intel. Some of them the client is still in development and not released yet. So you will have to check them out individually to see if they have one that will work with your graphics card.

There is also http://boinc.berkeley.edu/projects.php
165) Message boards : Number crunching : Building a 32-Thread Xeon Monster PC for Less Than the Price of a Flagship Core i7 (Message 1878859)
Posted 18 Jul 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
You might have missed the link to this site in the other thread about building a 32 threaded system.
http://natex.us/intel-s2600cp2j-motherboard-dual-e5-2670-sr0kx-64gb-pc3-12800r/
Pretty much the same specs but about $436 less. Last October/November I was buying the version bundled with 128GB of ram and they were only like $480 each instead of $740. Supply and demand at work!

However this looks like a better packaged deal. Since it is everything except HDDs for $485 less and 128GB instead of 64GB of ram.
http://natex.us/enthoo-128kit

They also have rack servers if that is your thing.
http://natex.us/servers/servers-package-deals/


I did miss that link. I have since visited it and the price has jumped just a little bit to $878.00 While it is currently "out of stock" I just got an email back from them that said they will get fans tomorrow and have it in stock again.

My main concern about the video card slots is the "!Please note!
This does not have a 16x slot".

Since this would be for a General Purpose Boinc cruncher but would be urged on with at least a Gtx 1060 video card, I am worried about the limited number of high high end video slots. And wondering if anyone knows if the "not having a 16x slot" would slow down Seti gpu processing? I have heard of one gpu intensive project where the bandwidth between the cpu and the gpu does make a difference (Milky way or maybe Einstein? Don't remember since it wasn't a project I am doing).

Thank you,
Tom

All of the PCie slots on the Intel S2600CP2J are only x8 electrical. Given in most dual GPU setups they normally end up running at x8 anyway I don't see it as a huge deal.
My original plan was to start with a pair of 750 Ti's or 1050 Ti's and then use PCIe risers/extenders to run 2 more. However a pair of 1060 3GB cards was looking more cost effective. At least before this shortage nonsense started...

There are some projects that do tend to use more PCIe bandwidth than others. I believe SETI@home is on the lower usage end of the scale. My 750 Ti is currently running in a PCIe x1 slot that is only v2. Which hasn't effected its performance vs running in a x16 slot. A larger GPU like a 1080 ti may see some change.
At the moment I'm running Einstein tasks on my R9 390x and the PCIe utilization is fairly low. I run Milkyway as well and will have to double check it's usage once I finish the Einstein tasks. I also don't know hoe comparable the PCIe usage is between Radeon and Nvidia GPUs.
166) Message boards : Number crunching : Reports on experiments with a Dell Optiplex 7010 Microtower (Message 1878855)
Posted 18 Jul 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I went through a number of PSUs, MBs, & fans for the Optiplex 740, 750, 980, 7010, & 9020 systems I had at my last work.
My opinion is that they are not the most ideal cruncher, but they will work. At least for a bit...


Did you hang something like a Gtx 1060 on any of them? And/or add an after market PS so you could? Did any of them "fry"?

I will admit, I only have the 1 sample of it frying. But I wouldn't mind running a Gtx 1060 on my 7010 if I was confident it wouldn't fry again.

I have been thinking about a Gtx 1050Ti but I don't know what they "really" draw. I had assurances that a Gtx 750Ti only drew 35 watts after startup so I haven't worried about running it in the "dinky Dell's" I have been playing with.

Tom

As the systems were test machines in my lab they were only fitted with the GPU as delivered by Dell. I did bump the specs when ordering the systems so that we wouldn't have to replace them as quickly as we previously were, but they were smaller GPUs. Like Radeon HD 2000 series or R7 250's. The parts would just randomly go for seemingly no reason. One was a MB that had it's capacitors blow. Which was memorable because it made the whole lab small for hours.
While the machines were under warranty they were replaced with factory parts. After the warranty expired I was allowed to purchase after market PSUs, but I'm reasonably sure they were from the same company that made them for Dell.

I have seen my EVGA 750 Ti FTW draw up to 45w, but recently it has been maxing out at 32w. Currently averaging 22w running 2 SoG tasks at once.
167) Message boards : Number crunching : Reports on experiments with a Dell Optiplex 7010 Microtower (Message 1878814)
Posted 17 Jul 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
This may be helpful if you are having issues getting both GPUs to be detected by BOINC. http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=74820&postid=1520333#1520333
There still needs to be further testing to see if mixing other projects on the CPU & iGPU result in a similar slow down that is seen when all tasks are SETI@home ones.
I keep meaning to get around to that, but I usually fin other things to do instead.

The iGPU normally performs about as well as a CPU core. ~2Hr for a task on IvyBridge sounds about right.

I went through a number of PSUs, MBs, & fans for the Optiplex 740, 750, 980, 7010, & 9020 systems I had at my last work.
My opinion is that they are not the most ideal cruncher, but they will work. At least for a bit...
168) Message boards : Number crunching : What would be the points of a panmember? (Message 1878808)
Posted 17 Jul 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
According to BOINCstats there is a total of 416,388,197,818 credit at the moment for SETI@home.
It looks like we gain about 200 million credit a day.
169) Message boards : Number crunching : Getting the most production for the least electricity (Message 1878505)
Posted 16 Jul 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
So back to the "Getting the most production for the least electricity". I have started a "Z machines" thread here https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=81696 so Al, Jim and anyone else interested in the HP Z machines can talk about them.

We have spec's for a dedicated Boinc/Seti machine running an i5 and two gtx 1060's with possible upgrade to a third 1060 from Hal9000. He proposed a https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=81586&postid=1873641#1873641

Hal9000 said:

If I wanted to build a system dedicated to running SETI@home today. I would go for:
i5-7400 CPU
H270 motherboard
two GTX 1060 3GB's
650w 80Plus Platinum PSU


In a later post Hal9000 said
The MB I considered for this configuration does have 3 PCIe x16 slots. Two of them are only x4 electrical, but that shouldn't be much of an issue.
Here are links to the parts I had in mind. MB, CPU, Mem, PSU, GPUs


edit: Darn, lost the links to the parts!
http://www.gigabyte.us/Motherboard/GA-H270-HD3-rev-10#sp
http://www.crucial.com/usa/en/bls8g4d240fsb
http://ark.intel.com/products/97147/Intel-Core-i5-7400-Processor-6M-Cache-up-to-3_50-GHz
And a couple of a PS and Gpu's that the website link is down on.

So the other question is for most efficient all BOINC projects specs would someone propose?

Tom

Here are links to the parts from my previous post. MB, CPU, Mem, PSU, GPUs, & SSD.

Due to projects having different kinds of processing needs. There is not really a single configuration that would be the most efficient for all BOINC projects.
A project could be optimized for one type of hardware and another project could be optimized for something different.
Milkyway for example uses DP (double precision) computation. This is important to know when selecting a GPU to use for their project.
As Nvidia GPUs have a DP limit of 1/32 SP GFLOPS & Radeon GPUs have a DP limit of 1/16 SP GFLOPS. So Radeon GPUs tend to be more desirable for that project when shopping for standard desktop GPUs.

Since I don't make dedicated crunching machines. I spec my systems for what I need and then see how the configuration runs the tasks for my projects.
170) Message boards : Number crunching : Building a 32-Thread Xeon Monster PC for Less Than the Price of a Flagship Core i7 (Message 1878305)
Posted 15 Jul 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I just got done "pricing" the 32-Thread Xeon and it looks like you could get this machine (less the GPU's) for around $1,363 plus s/h.

https://www.techspot.com/review/1155-affordable-dual-xeon-pc/

Memory G.SKILL Ripjaws Z Series 64GB (8 x 8GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1866 (PC3 14900) $473~ new egg

ASRock EP2C602-2T/D16 SSI EEB Server Motherboard Dual LGA 2011 DDR3 1600/1333/10 $295~ on ebay

Intel Xeon E5-2670 2.6GHz Eight Core (BX80621E52670) Processor $99~ x 2 on ebay

cpu coolers Noctua NH-U12DX i4 $64~ X 2 on newegg

CORSAIR RMx Series RM1000X 1000W 80 $169~

Case about $100

Total about: $1363

Assuming consumer ram.

Oh well, I've already blown my birthday budget for this year.

Tom

You might have missed the link to this site in the other thread about building a 32 threaded system.
http://natex.us/intel-s2600cp2j-motherboard-dual-e5-2670-sr0kx-64gb-pc3-12800r/
Pretty much the same specs but about $436 less. Last October/November I was buying the version bundled with 128GB of ram and they were only like $480 each instead of $740. Supply and demand at work!

However this looks like a better packaged deal. Since it is everything except HDDs for $485 less and 128GB instead of 64GB of ram.
http://natex.us/enthoo-128kit

They also have rack servers if that is your thing.
http://natex.us/servers/servers-package-deals/
171) Message boards : Number crunching : How does BOINC decide to identify video card name? (Message 1878304)
Posted 15 Jul 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
After scanning through some previous Seti results and a couple of clinfo saved text files. On my RX 480 Max frequency increases with an increase of the overclock. I haven't tried lowering the clock below the factory overclock to see if Max frequency decreases.

Perhaps the behavior for the Max clock frequency has changed in later releases?
For my R9 390X I always see 1080MHz, which is the Sapphire factory OC value, & I have bumped it up to 1100MHz.
For my GTX 750 Ti I see 1267MHz, the EVGA max boost value is listed as 1268MHz, & it actually runs at 1345MHz without me doing anything.
172) Message boards : Number crunching : How does BOINC decide to identify video card name? (Message 1878253)
Posted 14 Jul 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thanks Hal, that is the file I was looking for I guess. The 1060 is identified in <bus_id>33</bus_id> and the 1070s are identified in <bus_id>36</bus_id> and <bus_id>37</bus_id>

So in effect the 1060 has the "lowest" bus ID enumerator. Now it all makes sense.

Now for the part that doesn't make sense so far. I have been looking at the stderr.txt outputs for completed and validated tasks and it seems that BOINC is mixing up the number of compute units assigned to the card type in the output. The 1070s have 15 CU and the 1060 has 10 CU. The clock frequencies don't match up with the card names and the CU's are swapped.

Name:						 GeForce GTX 1070
  Vendor:					 NVIDIA Corporation
  Driver version:				 378.92
  Version:					 OpenCL 1.2 CUDA
  Extensions:					 cl_khr_global_int32_base_atomics cl_khr_global_int32_extended_atomics cl_khr_local_int32_base_atomics cl_khr_local_int32_extended_atomics cl_khr_fp64 cl_khr_byte_addressable_store cl_khr_icd cl_khr_gl_sharing cl_nv_compiler_options cl_nv_device_attribute_query cl_nv_pragma_unroll cl_nv_d3d10_sharing cl_khr_d3d10_sharing cl_nv_d3d11_sharing cl_nv_copy_opts
  Max compute units:				 10
  Max work group size:				 1024
  Max clock frequency:				 1835Mhz
  Max memory allocation:			 1610612736
  Cache type:					 Read/Write
  Cache line size:				 128
  Cache size:					 163840
  Global memory size:				 6442450944
  Constant buffer size:				 65536
  Max number of constant args:			 9
  Local memory type:				 Scratchpad
  Local memory size:				 49152
  Queue properties:				 
    Out-of-Order:				 Yes
  Name:						 GeForce GTX 1060 6GB
  Vendor:					 NVIDIA Corporation
  Driver version:				 378.92
  Version:					 OpenCL 1.2 CUDA
  Extensions:					 cl_khr_global_int32_base_atomics cl_khr_global_int32_extended_atomics cl_khr_local_int32_base_atomics cl_khr_local_int32_extended_atomics cl_khr_fp64 cl_khr_byte_addressable_store cl_khr_icd cl_khr_gl_sharing cl_nv_compiler_options cl_nv_device_attribute_query cl_nv_pragma_unroll cl_nv_d3d10_sharing cl_khr_d3d10_sharing cl_nv_d3d11_sharing cl_nv_copy_opts
  Max compute units:				 15
  Max work group size:				 1024
  Max clock frequency:				 1683Mhz
  Max memory allocation:			 2147483648
  Cache type:					 Read/Write
  Cache line size:				 128
  Cache size:					 245760
  Global memory size:				 8589934592
  Constant buffer size:				 65536
  Max number of constant args:			 9
  Local memory type:				 Scratchpad
  Local memory size:				 49152
  Queue properties:				 
    Out-of-Order:				 Yes
  Name:						 GeForce GTX 1070
  Vendor:					 NVIDIA Corporation
  Driver version:				 378.92
  Version:					 OpenCL 1.2 CUDA
  Extensions:					 cl_khr_global_int32_base_atomics cl_khr_global_int32_extended_atomics cl_khr_local_int32_base_atomics cl_khr_local_int32_extended_atomics cl_khr_fp64 cl_khr_byte_addressable_store cl_khr_icd cl_khr_gl_sharing cl_nv_compiler_options cl_nv_device_attribute_query cl_nv_pragma_unroll cl_nv_d3d10_sharing cl_khr_d3d10_sharing cl_nv_d3d11_sharing cl_nv_copy_opts

That is the output from CLinfo and it is correct. However it looks like you decided that the value of Name: is the start of the data for each card instead of Max compute units:
Note: The CLinfo output values are what they say. Max clock frequency is the maximum clock frequency defined by the manufacture and not the current clock frequency. I would expect the current clock frequency in a value called something like Current clock frequency:

Here is the full output from one of your tasks:
 OpenCL Platform Name:					 NVIDIA CUDA
Number of devices:				 3

  Max compute units:				 15
  Max work group size:				 1024
  Max clock frequency:				 1683Mhz
  Max memory allocation:			 2147483648
  Cache type:					 Read/Write
  Cache line size:				 128
  Cache size:					 245760
  Global memory size:				 8589934592
  Constant buffer size:				 65536
  Max number of constant args:			 9
  Local memory type:				 Scratchpad
  Local memory size:				 49152
  Queue properties:				 
    Out-of-Order:				 Yes
  Name:						 GeForce GTX 1070
  Vendor:					 NVIDIA Corporation
  Driver version:				 378.92
  Version:					 OpenCL 1.2 CUDA
  Extensions:					 cl_khr_global_int32_base_atomics cl_khr_global_int32_extended_atomics cl_khr_local_int32_base_atomics cl_khr_local_int32_extended_atomics cl_khr_fp64 cl_khr_byte_addressable_store cl_khr_icd cl_khr_gl_sharing cl_nv_compiler_options cl_nv_device_attribute_query cl_nv_pragma_unroll cl_nv_d3d10_sharing cl_khr_d3d10_sharing cl_nv_d3d11_sharing cl_nv_copy_opts


  Max compute units:				 10
  Max work group size:				 1024
  Max clock frequency:				 1835Mhz
  Max memory allocation:			 1610612736
  Cache type:					 Read/Write
  Cache line size:				 128
  Cache size:					 163840
  Global memory size:				 6442450944
  Constant buffer size:				 65536
  Max number of constant args:			 9
  Local memory type:				 Scratchpad
  Local memory size:				 49152
  Queue properties:				 
    Out-of-Order:				 Yes
  Name:						 GeForce GTX 1060 6GB
  Vendor:					 NVIDIA Corporation
  Driver version:				 378.92
  Version:					 OpenCL 1.2 CUDA
  Extensions:					 cl_khr_global_int32_base_atomics cl_khr_global_int32_extended_atomics cl_khr_local_int32_base_atomics cl_khr_local_int32_extended_atomics cl_khr_fp64 cl_khr_byte_addressable_store cl_khr_icd cl_khr_gl_sharing cl_nv_compiler_options cl_nv_device_attribute_query cl_nv_pragma_unroll cl_nv_d3d10_sharing cl_khr_d3d10_sharing cl_nv_d3d11_sharing cl_nv_copy_opts

  Max compute units:				 15
  Max work group size:				 1024
  Max clock frequency:				 1683Mhz
  Max memory allocation:			 2147483648
  Cache type:					 Read/Write
  Cache line size:				 128
  Cache size:					 245760
  Global memory size:				 8589934592
  Constant buffer size:				 65536
  Max number of constant args:			 9
  Local memory type:				 Scratchpad
  Local memory size:				 49152
  Queue properties:				 
    Out-of-Order:				 Yes
  Name:						 GeForce GTX 1070
  Vendor:					 NVIDIA Corporation
  Driver version:				 378.92
  Version:					 OpenCL 1.2 CUDA
  Extensions:					 cl_khr_global_int32_base_atomics cl_khr_global_int32_extended_atomics cl_khr_local_int32_base_atomics cl_khr_local_int32_extended_atomics cl_khr_fp64 cl_khr_byte_addressable_store cl_khr_icd cl_khr_gl_sharing cl_nv_compiler_options cl_nv_device_attribute_query cl_nv_pragma_unroll cl_nv_d3d10_sharing cl_khr_d3d10_sharing cl_nv_d3d11_sharing cl_nv_copy_opts
173) Message boards : Number crunching : How does BOINC decide to identify video card name? (Message 1878156)
Posted 14 Jul 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I believe it is in order by the PCIe bus ID. Which should be listed in the coproc_info.xml. It will be something like this:
<pci_info>
   <bus_id>1</bus_id>
   <device_id>0</device_id>
   <domain_id>0</domain_id>
</pci_info>

I seem to recall that someone had found their motherboards had the primary PCIe x16 slot last in the bus ID order for some reason. Perhaps that is standard practice?

I'm not sure what a gpudetect.txt file is used for. I don't have one on any of my hosts.
174) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (106) Server Problems? (Message 1878043)
Posted 13 Jul 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thanks for the explanation on how RAC is calculated Hal. Yes, you are correct. I never considered the compression in the vertical height in the graph to fit all projects. I remembered that you can plot individual projects separately. I did in fact hit the low spot you mention.
SETI statistics

I guess I just had a particularly poor paying mix of work on that host compared to the 8350 host over the last month.

With all the different factors it is sometimes hard to determine which of them cause the short term ups and downs.
So use a script to average the values in the stats file. Right now I read all of the values so it looks like this.
Host 8130144 Average: 26897 for 244 days
I think I'm going to add some other output as well. Like averages for the 30, 60, & 180 days as well as the total credit gained for each time period.
175) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (106) Server Problems? (Message 1877909)
Posted 12 Jul 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
No, I am doing the exact same thing on the FX rigs. I haven't been able to fathom why the 8370 has fallen so far behind the 8350.

Different work mix?
Today my C2D has been getting just Arecibo Work, with the odd GBT WU thrown in (just got a dozen GBT WUs- most in ages) > Even over the last week it has been heavily Arecibo work.
My i7 while been getting mostly Arecibo work has had periods of batches of GBT work coming through.


That is the likely scenario but I haven't detected a large difference in the Arecibo/GBT mix of work between the two systems at casual glance. I haven't conducted an extensive forensic analysis with antenna origin cataloging. The same here with mostly Arecibo work on all three systems with brief spurts of GBT work. The 8370 is SLOWLY coming back to its normal RAC.

How is the project RAC determined? I always thought the project pulled the stats for the host out of the statistics_setiathome.berkeley.edu.xml file on each computer. And that file is what is used to plot the statistics curve on the Statistics tab in the Manager. As I stated, my Statistics curve has been flatlined at 50K for the last month. It never showed the precipitous plummet in my RAC that the project is showing on my Host numbers for the 8350 host.
Keith-Windows7 statistics

BOINC updates recent average credit "RAC" when new credit is granted. A decay value is factored in so that it is "recent".
function decay_average($avg, $avg_time, $now = 0) {
   $M_LN2 = 0.693147180559945309417;
   $credit_half_life = 86400 * 7;
   if ($now == 0) {
       $now = time();
   }
   $diff = $now - $avg_time;
   $weight = exp(-$diff * $M_LN2/$credit_half_life);
   $avg *= $weight;
   return $avg;
}

Sometimes I think the decay function pulls numbers out of nowhere when I see a host RAC drop 50% for seemingly no reason.

I believe that each time the BOINC client does a project update it also updates the statistics_PROJECT.xml file.
Then BOINC Manager will read the xml and make a neat little graph based on the stored values.
If you want you can read the expavg values directly from the xml file.
<daily_statistics>
<day>1499731200.000000</day>
<user_total_credit>168746186.262877</user_total_credit>
<user_expavg_credit>60883.935743</user_expavg_credit>
<host_total_credit>11508519.704933</host_total_credit>
<host_expavg_credit>6851.901127</host_expavg_credit>
</daily_statistics>

At the super compressed scale of your image each one of the vertical lines in the chart would possibly be a difference of ~5000. So it looks like on 2017-07-04 your RAC was ~45,000 & on 2017-06-18 it was ~55,000.
176) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows Crashing, Blue screen error "Tread stuck in device driver" & Windows update fail (Message 1877820)
Posted 11 Jul 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Windows is crashing with the above error when I run BOINC and also when I use Capture 1. I get the Blue screen and the error "thread stuck in device drive"

I have tried updated the graphics driver AMD Radeon R9-380, even tried rolling back to one from 2016, all have no effect.

The timing of the crashing seems to coincide with Windows 10 Update failing. For about 2-3 months now Windows 10 update is stuck It is trying to install "Feature update to Windows 10, version 1703", but get the following error.
"We can't install some updates because other updates are in progress........"

I have googled the error and tried a few suggested fixes, but "no joy"

Other than the two issues, the PC seems to run fine.

Any thoughts, suggestions.

Brett

I've had a related issue on a Windows 10 machine I use at work.
Since Windows update refused to stop updating the Intel GPU driver, which causes the monitors on my docking station to stop working, I added a group policy specifying the Intel GPU was not allowed to be updated.
Because it doesn't make any sense. Windows 10 downloads the Intel GPU driver that causes the problem and then gets stuck not being able to install it. So no other updates are ever installed or downloaded.
It would be really nice if that "don't download driver updates" setting actually worked.
Getting the latest driver from Intel has not yet solved my docking station monitors not working issue. Any driver I have tried after 2016-11 is no good.
I find it to be a really odd issue. As I don't see what the iGPU driver has to do with monitors attached to a USB 3.0 docking station & I disable to monitor on the notebook itself.
177) Message boards : Number crunching : Anything relating to AstroPulse tasks (Message 1877817)
Posted 11 Jul 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Too few, too far apart.
Splitting of this batch is soon over, and I will shut down again.
I crunch them almost as fast as I can get them.
Got around 25 AP's this run. Could be a couple more before it's over.

Edit: 28 now.
Edit2: 31 now.

My HTPC seems to be doing an OK job of keeping a good supply on hand.
178) Message boards : Number crunching : moving workunits (Message 1877816)
Posted 11 Jul 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
GUPPI Rescheduler for Linux and Windows - Move GUPPI work to CPU and non-GUPPI to GPU


If I understand you correctly Grant, that is for Guppi units, what about non-Guppi units, such as AP's for instance?

P.

Don't think anyone's bothered to make a rescheduler for those.

Except for that really old one.
179) Message boards : Number crunching : To checkpoint or not -- the wear and tear of SSD drives (Message 1877219)
Posted 7 Jul 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I too at first worried about the constant writes to my SSDs. I too saw and read that article about tested life expectancy of consumer SSD and then never worried about it again. I will replace any SSD just because of newer technology or more capacity needed before any of my current SSDs die. My first SSD used on BOINC accumulated 570 GB of writes. It didn't die in the Tech Report tests until it hit the PB range. One of my current SSD used for BOINC has accumulated only 23 GB of writes so far after 3 years.


I guess you mean TB not GB.
Mine has 21 TB written in 15 month but should be able to handle 70 TB.

It seems like most SSD manufactures are using TB written as part of the warranty these days. With a limit of about 80-100TBW per 256GB of drive capacity.
Looks like my old 240GB SSD is at 47TB of NAND writes and 94% life.
180) Message boards : Number crunching : Regular GPU or Mining-designed GPU (Message 1876705)
Posted 4 Jul 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I'm surprised the MB manufacturers haven't made USB PCI ports and 7 card daughter boards w/power distribution for this purpose. or even a muti-lane cable.

I'm sure they would sell if purpose built in a clean package.

When GPGPU mining was at its peak a few years ago several MB manufactures were selling kits geared towards mining.
Some were were open about it than others.
http://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/H81%20Pro%20BTC/
http://www.asrock.com/mb/spec/card.asp?Model=BTC%20PRO%20Kit

Some of the setups the miners have com up with wouldn't be bad for dedicated crunchers.
181) Message boards : Number crunching : Building a 32-Thread Xeon Monster PC for Less Than the Price of a Flagship Core i7 (Message 1876647)
Posted 3 Jul 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I'm curious as to the "all_projects" value you keep keep mentioning. Is meant to refer to the all_apps value I said I would like if it existed?


I'm thinking he wanted to limit the total from all the different projects that would be running at any time on his computer. Such a command doesn't exist if I understand this correct. I could be wrong. If such a command existed, I would think it would have to be higher up in the folders than the project folder. That is why I speculated that it would probably be needed to be in the cc_config.xml as all projects read that file. But as to how it would determine which projects ran how many??? I don't know. I think the project_max_concurrent makes more sense ( as you suggested) as you can tailor it to the number for each project and from there figure out which you want to run.

I do think it would be nice to be able to define some other parameters, such as GPU/CPU usage, for all apps in a project at once.

This statement confused me as you already can define preferences for GPU to CPU ratio in the app_config.xml. Note, I said preference as system will use what it needs based on the application. So it may use more if it determines that is what is needed. Were you meaning something else???

Other than changing the CPU limit settings. I don't think BOINC has a way to limit the total number of tasks running at once.
It can get a bit more complicated if you only ever want BOINC to use 4 out of 8 CPUs for CPU processing and the rest reserved for GPUs even if there are 0 GPU tasks on the system.
In that scenario I set ncpus to 4 in the cc_config and then set cpu_usage to 0.001 in the app_config for gpu_versions. Logically that should work but sometimes BOINC has its own ideas.


For the GPU/CPU usage. If you want to add usage parameters it is per application.
Like this:
<app_config>
	<app>
		<name>setiathome_v8</name>
		<gpu_versions>
			<gpu_usage>0.5</gpu_usage>
			<cpu_usage>0.5</cpu_usage>
		</gpu_versions>
	</app>
	<app>
		<name>setiathome_v9</name>
		<gpu_versions>
			<gpu_usage>0.5</gpu_usage>
			<cpu_usage>0.5</cpu_usage>
		</gpu_versions>
	</app>
<app_config>
As some projects have a large number of apps. I was thinking that having a way to define parameters for app apps in a project would be useful.
Where some predefined "name" could be used if one setting for all apps in a project was desired.
Something along the lines of:
<app_config>
	<app>
		<name>all_apps</name>
		<gpu_versions>
			<gpu_usage>0.5</gpu_usage>
			<cpu_usage>0.5</cpu_usage>
		</gpu_versions>
	</app>
<app_config>

Maybe something like a project_config.xml is really what would be needed...
182) Message boards : Number crunching : "BOINC portable" for Windows hosts (Message 1876642)
Posted 3 Jul 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
To get the GPU detection working when launching the client from command line it is necessary to use the proper file name of the client "boinc.exe", including path if not in current directory.

I didn't bother to check but the file name you use on the command line is probably copied to argv[0] as is and argv[0] is then copied to CreateProcess() as is. CreateProcess() wants the real file name, not something the shell might accept.

I wonder if that is something I accidentally discovered previously, and forgot, or if I was following normal "DOS logic" to make sure everything would work correctly.

My normal BOINC startup .bat file:
pushd %~dp0
boinc.exe --detach
Result: GPUs detected, data folder the same as boinc.exe

A BOINC startup .bat w/o specifying extension for boinc.exe
pushd %~dp0
boinc --detach
Result: No GPUs detected, data folder the same as boinc.exe

Command line starts with and without the extension for boinc.exe
D:\Temp>D:\Boinc.7.6.33\boinc.exe --detach
Result: GPUs detected, data folder is D:\Temp

D:\Temp>D:\Boinc.7.6.33\boinc --detach
Result: No GPUs detected, data folder is D:\Temp
183) Message boards : Number crunching : Building a 32-Thread Xeon Monster PC for Less Than the Price of a Flagship Core i7 (Message 1876637)
Posted 3 Jul 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:


What file are max_project_concurrent and max_concurrent located in? I assume I have to find a "project." Under World Community Grid each one of the different sub-projects has its own project name. I am not sure how/where to put the above.

I don't see any doc for them when I tried to google them.

Thank you,
Tom


You would place those in app_config.xml in each project folder. Which is why I said, I don't think an "all_projects" would work in an app_config as those are limited to the specific project. In order for all projects to accept a command, they would think it need to be in the cc_config.xml. However, I've never tried such a command in the cc_config so I can't say for sure it would or would not work.

As for the max_concurrent and project _max_concurrent (sorry I reversed it in my original post)the exact position within the app_config.xml varies depending on which one you use.

project_max_concurrent is place in the second to last line of the app_config just before </app_config>


  
</app_version>
<project_max_concurrent>4</project_max_concurrent>
</app_config>


max_concurrent is place within the body of the app_confix just after the plan class example below


    
<app_name>setiathome_v8</app_name>
    <plan_class>opencl_nvidia_SoG</plan_class>
    <avg_ncpus>1</avg_ncpus>
    <ngpus>0.5</ngpus>
<max_concurrent>2</max_concurrent>


I can say that I haven't used the max_concurrent in a while as I use the project_max_concurrent. The only time I used to use the max_concurrent is when projects had more than 1 type of work unit, example Einstein or GPUGrid.

Using project_max_concurrent is what I initially suggested they use, but figured they had their reasons for specifying each app.
I guess it wasn't helpful that everyone was listening the wrong value of max_project_concurrent immediately afterward...

I'm curious as to the "all_projects" value you keep keep mentioning. Is meant to refer to the all_apps value I said I would like if it existed?
I do think it would be nice to be able to define some other parameters, such as GPU/CPU usage, for all apps in a project at once.
184) Message boards : Number crunching : Building a 32-Thread Xeon Monster PC for Less Than the Price of a Flagship Core i7 (Message 1876517)
Posted 3 Jul 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
That should work. If you get work for all 7 apps then you will have 14 tasks going at once.
I kind of would like it if there was a a way to use a single set of parameters for all apps on a projects in the app_config.

Perhaps something like:
<app_config>
	<app>
		<name>all_apps</name>
		<max_concurrent>4</max_concurrent>
		<gpu_versions>
			<gpu_usage>1.0</gpu_usage>
			<cpu_usage>1.0</cpu_usage>
		</gpu_versions>
	</app>
<app_config>

That way the specific apps names wouldn't matter.
Maybe I'll see what the BOINC devs think if something like that is viable.
185) Message boards : Number crunching : Building a 32-Thread Xeon Monster PC for Less Than the Price of a Flagship Core i7 (Message 1876438)
Posted 2 Jul 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I think the largest memory requirements I have seen were for the Lattice project. Task memory usage can be as high as ~7.5GB per task.
That meant that with only 128GB of ram I could run ~16 at once on my 16c/32t system without thrashing the swap file. So I restricted the project to only 8 tasks at once.
I think the next largest, at least for my 18 projects, is Climate Prediction. Tasks memory usage runs between 500-700MB per task.


Hal.
Thank you for the memory requirements information.

Where/How do you do that kind of limiting? (Restricting the number of tasks from the same project) World Community Grid sometimes likes to "hog" my entire cpu. Even with 6c/12t. I expect when I get up to 12c/24t it will be the same. So does Rosetta.

I need an example listing for the how to. I'm not good at translating abstracts....

Thank you.
Tom

The easiest way is to use an app_config.xml and set project_max_concurrent to the value you would like.
My my HTPC I set SETI to 2 and then other projects cycle through are also set to 2. That way each project gets equal run time. instead of relying on the BOINC long term average system to work. Which actually doesn't when you cycle though projects.
For my 16c/32t system I set no restrictions for SETI and then Lattice was limited to 8. Since Lattice work was intermittent and had a shorter deadline Lattice tasks would run as soon as they were downloaded.
When I set up my next 16c/32t system my plan is to limit each project to 8 tasks at once and run 4 projects. Then have one or two backup projects in case the 4 main projects run out of work.
186) Message boards : Number crunching : "BOINC portable" for Windows hosts (Message 1876250)
Posted 1 Jul 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:


<coproc_ati>
   <count>1</count>
   <name>ATI Radeon HD 6570 (NI TURKS) {ASUS EAH6570/DI/1GD3(LP)}</name>
   <req_secs>57903.757778</req_secs>
   <req_instances>0.000000</req_instances>
   <estimated_delay>0.000000</estimated_delay>
   <target>18</target>
   <localRAM>1024</localRAM>
   <uncachedRemoteRAM>128</uncachedRemoteRAM>
   <cachedRemoteRAM>64</cachedRemoteRAM>
   <engineClock>800</engineClock>
   <memoryClock>1050</memoryClock>
   <wavefrontSize>64</wavefrontSize>
   <numberOfSIMD>6</numberOfSIMD>
   <doublePrecision>0</doublePrecision>
   <pitch_alignment>256</pitch_alignment>
   <surface_alignment>256</surface_alignment>
   <maxResource1DWidth>16384</maxResource1DWidth>
   <maxResource2DWidth>16384</maxResource2DWidth>
   <maxResource2DHeight>16384</maxResource2DHeight>
   <CALVersion>1.4.1646</CALVersion>
    <atirt_detected/>
</coproc_ati>


Note: the <name> tag is hard-patched by me in boinc.exe (was "ATI unknown")



That information is pulled from the CAL and it, along with the OpenCL info are stored in memory and also Boinc's paper brain the client_state.xml file. Unfortunately, when AMD said they were going with OpenCl instead of CAL, the Boinc developers gave up on keeping the CAL updated. But from reading the AMD APP SDK 3.0 documentation, I suspect that the OpenCL still makes some use of the CAL code, otherwise there would be no reason for AMD to keep including the CAL files part of the latest drivers.

The BOINC devs were updating the entries for the CAL GPUs up to the Rx 200 series. Then implemented OpenCL detection, v7.6.23+, if CAL is not present. Which pulls the "Board name:" value from the clinfo.
I've been curious as to why the cal files were still included in the latest drives myself. I've been temped to remove the them to see what happens with my HD6870 and R9 390x, but haven't gotten around to it yet.
187) Message boards : Number crunching : "BOINC portable" for Windows hosts (Message 1876247)
Posted 1 Jul 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Data directory: D:\Boinc.6.12.43
Data directory: D:\Boinc.7.0.42
...
Data directory: D:\Boinc.7.6.33

How did you made every BOINC version to use different BOINC Data directory?
Did you edit the Registry?

Or boinc.exe is in the BOINC Data directory? i.e. :
boinc.exe v6.12.43 is in D:\Boinc.6.12.43
boinc.exe v7.6.33 is in D:\Boinc.7.6.33

And Registry do not have any BOINC info?

As I mentioned previously in this post. BOINC will use the folder it is in when launching if there are no registry entries.
You can add the --dir command when starting boinc.exe if you wish to use a specific folder.
Each folder contains all BOINC files.

So I stop the copy of BOINC that runs my projects in D:\BOINC\. Then start BOINC from the version folder. Once I get the info I need I stop it and go to the next version.
188) Message boards : Number crunching : Building a 32-Thread Xeon Monster PC for Less Than the Price of a Flagship Core i7 (Message 1876206)
Posted 1 Jul 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I will see if I can dig up the correct part number for that cooler, I know that I had bid on one on Ebay, so I should be able to find it in my emails. I will post back if I can locate it.


I think it is "HP Z600 Z800 Processor Heatsink & Fan Assembly 463991-001 for extreme CPUs" which for this listing is $195 plus s/h.

I may have found one as low as $150. The crucial issue appears to be the regular version is: 463990-001 And I got real excited at sub-$50 prices until I FINALLY noticed that tiny part# difference.

Given that it would take $300 for the coolers, assuming the trick works, and I can get an i7-3770@4.2Ghz via a Dell 7010 for about $250 (although it only has 4 cores w/HT) it becomes a stalling point. If I can't get an after market cooler that is successful (plus as of the moment, the theory that this works is un-proven) I probably have stalled and will go with that X5675 solution ($100 for two used cpus).

Just gotta wait for the cpu cooler on order to get delivered.

I did find 24GB of Z600 memory for $50 and decided that it was a reasonable price given I am uncertain how much memory the non-Seti tasks could take up with 24 threads.... Once its here I can sell 6GB of Z600 memory that came with it.
-------
I am getting mixed messages on the cpu cooler delivery. One says now deliver on Monday. The other says sending to USPS. So I guess I will check the regular mail on Saturday.

Tom

I think the largest memory requirements I have seen were for the Lattice project. Task memory usage can be as high as ~7.5GB per task.
That meant that with only 128GB of ram I could run ~16 at once on my 16c/32t system without thrashing the swap file. So I restricted the project to only 8 tasks at once.
I think the next largest, at least for my 18 projects, is Climate Prediction. Tasks memory usage runs between 500-700MB per task.
189) Message boards : Number crunching : "BOINC portable" for Windows hosts (Message 1876194)
Posted 1 Jul 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
And back on topic:
I can't find (there is no) coproc_info on my computer (in fact no file with coproc in the name)
BOINC 6.10.58 is running now on:
https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/show_host_detail.php?hostid=4832843

So, you wanna say that usual setup with BOINC manager involved doesn't create tht file? This would fully explain my results indeed, but why such design decision???

It looks like coproc_info.xml was added sometime around v7.2.42. I just did a quick check using 6.12.43, 7.0.42, 7.2.42, 7.4.42, and 7.6.33.
I used my Celeron J1900 system and started BOINC with this .bat file:
Note: I do have UAC set to its lowest value. So I don't get prompted for elevated rights. As it interferes with some of the duties the machines normally does.
pushd %~dp0
boinc.exe --detach
timeout 90
boinccmd --quit

Each version I checked the GTX 750 ti was detected and the iGPU was detected in v7.0.42 and higher.
In the event that it is useful in any way. Here is the output from stdoutdae.txt in each version.

01-Jul-2017 09:32:11 [---] Starting BOINC client version 6.12.43 for windows_x86_64
01-Jul-2017 09:32:11 [---] log flags: file_xfer, sched_ops, task
01-Jul-2017 09:32:11 [---] Libraries: libcurl/7.21.6 OpenSSL/1.0.0d zlib/1.2.5
01-Jul-2017 09:32:11 [---] Data directory: D:\Boinc.6.12.43
01-Jul-2017 09:32:11 [---] Processor: 4 GenuineIntel       Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU  J1900  @ 1.99GHz [Family 6 Model 55 Stepping 3]
01-Jul-2017 09:32:11 [---] Processor: 1.00 MB cache
01-Jul-2017 09:32:11 [---] OS: Microsoft Windows 7: Ultimate x64 Edition, Service Pack 1, (06.01.7601.00)
01-Jul-2017 09:32:11 [---] Memory: 3.71 GB physical, 7.42 GB virtual
01-Jul-2017 09:32:11 [---] Disk: 198.09 GB total, 187.91 GB free
01-Jul-2017 09:32:11 [---] Local time is UTC -4 hours
01-Jul-2017 09:32:11 [---] NVIDIA GPU 0: GeForce GTX 750 Ti (driver version unknown, CUDA version 8000, compute capability 5.0, 2048MB, 406 GFLOPS peak)
01-Jul-2017 09:32:11 [---] No general preferences found - using BOINC defaults
Initialization completed
01-Jul-2017 09:33:41 [---] Exit requested by user

01-Jul-2017 09:28:56 [---] No config file found - using defaults
01-Jul-2017 09:28:56 [---] Starting BOINC client version 7.0.42 for windows_x86_64
01-Jul-2017 09:28:56 [---] log flags: file_xfer, sched_ops, task
01-Jul-2017 09:28:56 [---] Libraries: libcurl/7.25.0 OpenSSL/1.0.1 zlib/1.2.6
01-Jul-2017 09:28:56 [---] Data directory: D:\Boinc.7.0.42
01-Jul-2017 09:28:56 [---] Processor: 4 GenuineIntel       Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU  J1900  @ 1.99GHz [Family 6 Model 55 Stepping 3]
01-Jul-2017 09:28:56 [---] Processor: 1.00 MB cache
01-Jul-2017 09:28:56 [---] OS: Microsoft Windows 7: Ultimate x64 Edition, Service Pack 1, (06.01.7601.00)
01-Jul-2017 09:28:56 [---] Memory: 3.71 GB physical, 7.42 GB virtual
01-Jul-2017 09:28:56 [---] Disk: 198.09 GB total, 187.87 GB free
01-Jul-2017 09:28:56 [---] Local time is UTC -4 hours
01-Jul-2017 09:28:56 [---] CUDA: NVIDIA GPU 0: GeForce GTX 750 Ti (driver version 364.51, CUDA version 8.0, compute capability 5.0, 2048MB, 1967MB available, 2434 GFLOPS peak)
01-Jul-2017 09:28:56 [---] OpenCL: NVIDIA GPU 0: GeForce GTX 750 Ti (driver version 364.51, device version OpenCL 1.2 CUDA, 2048MB, 1967MB available, 2434 GFLOPS peak)
01-Jul-2017 09:28:56 [---] OpenCL: intel_gpu GPU 0: Intel(R) HD Graphics (driver version 10.18.10.4358, device version OpenCL 1.2, 1195MB, 1195MB available, 358 GFLOPS peak)
01-Jul-2017 09:28:56 [---] No general preferences found - using defaults
Initialization completed
01-Jul-2017 09:30:26 [---] Exit requested by user

01-Jul-2017 09:15:38 [---] cc_config.xml not found - using defaults
01-Jul-2017 09:15:38 [---] Starting BOINC client version 7.2.42 for windows_x86_64
01-Jul-2017 09:15:38 [---] log flags: file_xfer, sched_ops, task
01-Jul-2017 09:15:38 [---] Libraries: libcurl/7.25.0 OpenSSL/1.0.1 zlib/1.2.6
01-Jul-2017 09:15:38 [---] Data directory: D:\Boinc.7.2.42
01-Jul-2017 09:15:38 [---] CUDA: NVIDIA GPU 0: GeForce GTX 750 Ti (driver version 364.51, CUDA version 8.0, compute capability 5.0, 2048MB, 1967MB available, 2434 GFLOPS peak)
01-Jul-2017 09:15:38 [---] OpenCL: NVIDIA GPU 0: GeForce GTX 750 Ti (driver version 364.51, device version OpenCL 1.2 CUDA, 2048MB, 1967MB available, 2434 GFLOPS peak)
01-Jul-2017 09:15:38 [---] OpenCL: Intel GPU 0: Intel(R) HD Graphics (driver version 10.18.10.4358, device version OpenCL 1.2, 1195MB, 1195MB available, 358 GFLOPS peak)
01-Jul-2017 09:15:38 [---] OpenCL CPU: Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU  J1900  @ 1.99GHz (OpenCL driver vendor: Intel(R) Corporation, driver version 3.0.1.10891, device version OpenCL 1.2 (Build 76427))
01-Jul-2017 09:15:38 [---] Creating new client state file
01-Jul-2017 09:15:38 [---] Host name: SIMIII
01-Jul-2017 09:15:38 [---] Processor: 4 GenuineIntel       Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU  J1900  @ 1.99GHz
01-Jul-2017 09:15:38 [---] OS: Microsoft Windows 7: Ultimate x64 Edition, Service Pack 1, (06.01.7601.00)
01-Jul-2017 09:15:38 [---] Memory: 3.71 GB physical, 7.42 GB virtual
01-Jul-2017 09:15:38 [---] Disk: 198.09 GB total, 187.90 GB free
01-Jul-2017 09:15:38 [---] Local time is UTC -4 hours
01-Jul-2017 09:15:38 [---] No general preferences found - using defaults
01-Jul-2017 09:17:08 [---] Exit requested by user

01-Jul-2017 09:17:34 [---] cc_config.xml not found - using defaults
01-Jul-2017 09:17:34 [---] Starting BOINC client version 7.4.42 for windows_x86_64
01-Jul-2017 09:17:34 [---] log flags: file_xfer, sched_ops, task
01-Jul-2017 09:17:34 [---] Libraries: libcurl/7.39.0 OpenSSL/1.0.1j zlib/1.2.8
01-Jul-2017 09:17:34 [---] Data directory: D:\Boinc.7.4.42
01-Jul-2017 09:17:34 [---] CUDA: NVIDIA GPU 0: GeForce GTX 750 Ti (driver version 364.51, CUDA version 8.0, compute capability 5.0, 2048MB, 1967MB available, 1622 GFLOPS peak)
01-Jul-2017 09:17:34 [---] OpenCL: NVIDIA GPU 0: GeForce GTX 750 Ti (driver version 364.51, device version OpenCL 1.2 CUDA, 2048MB, 1967MB available, 1622 GFLOPS peak)
01-Jul-2017 09:17:34 [---] OpenCL: Intel GPU 0: Intel(R) HD Graphics (driver version 10.18.10.4358, device version OpenCL 1.2, 1195MB, 1195MB available, 358 GFLOPS peak)
01-Jul-2017 09:17:34 [---] OpenCL CPU: Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU  J1900  @ 1.99GHz (OpenCL driver vendor: Intel(R) Corporation, driver version 3.0.1.10891, device version OpenCL 1.2 (Build 76427))
01-Jul-2017 09:17:34 [---] Creating new client state file
01-Jul-2017 09:17:34 [---] Host name: SIMIII
01-Jul-2017 09:17:34 [---] Processor: 4 GenuineIntel       Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU  J1900  @ 1.99GHz
01-Jul-2017 09:17:34 [---] OS: Microsoft Windows 7: Ultimate x64 Edition, Service Pack 1, (06.01.7601.00)
01-Jul-2017 09:17:34 [---] Memory: 3.71 GB physical, 7.42 GB virtual
01-Jul-2017 09:17:34 [---] Disk: 198.09 GB total, 187.89 GB free
01-Jul-2017 09:17:34 [---] Local time is UTC -4 hours
01-Jul-2017 09:17:34 [---] No general preferences found - using defaults
01-Jul-2017 09:19:04 [---] Exiting

01-Jul-2017 09:20:50 [---] cc_config.xml not found - using defaults
01-Jul-2017 09:20:50 [---] Starting BOINC client version 7.6.33 for windows_x86_64
01-Jul-2017 09:20:50 [---] log flags: file_xfer, sched_ops, task
01-Jul-2017 09:20:50 [---] Libraries: libcurl/7.47.1 OpenSSL/1.0.2g zlib/1.2.8
01-Jul-2017 09:20:50 [---] Data directory: D:\Boinc.7.6.33
01-Jul-2017 09:20:51 [---] CUDA: NVIDIA GPU 0: GeForce GTX 750 Ti (driver version 364.51, CUDA version 8.0, compute capability 5.0, 2048MB, 1967MB available, 1622 GFLOPS peak)
01-Jul-2017 09:20:51 [---] OpenCL: NVIDIA GPU 0: GeForce GTX 750 Ti (driver version 364.51, device version OpenCL 1.2 CUDA, 2048MB, 1967MB available, 1622 GFLOPS peak)
01-Jul-2017 09:20:51 [---] OpenCL: Intel GPU 0: Intel(R) HD Graphics (driver version 10.18.10.4358, device version OpenCL 1.2, 1195MB, 1195MB available, 358 GFLOPS peak)
01-Jul-2017 09:20:51 [---] OpenCL CPU: Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU  J1900  @ 1.99GHz (OpenCL driver vendor: Intel(R) Corporation, driver version 3.0.1.10891, device version OpenCL 1.2 (Build 76427))
01-Jul-2017 09:20:51 [---] Creating new client state file
01-Jul-2017 09:20:51 [---] Host name: SIMIII
01-Jul-2017 09:20:51 [---] Processor: 4 GenuineIntel       Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU  J1900  @ 1.99GHz
01-Jul-2017 09:20:51 [---] OS: Microsoft Windows 7: Ultimate x64 Edition, Service Pack 1, (06.01.7601.00)
01-Jul-2017 09:20:51 [---] Memory: 3.71 GB physical, 7.42 GB virtual
01-Jul-2017 09:20:51 [---] Disk: 198.09 GB total, 187.89 GB free
01-Jul-2017 09:20:51 [---] Local time is UTC -4 hours
01-Jul-2017 09:20:56 [---] No general preferences found - using defaults
01-Jul-2017 09:22:20 [---] Exiting
190) Message boards : Number crunching : "BOINC portable" for Windows hosts (Message 1875429)
Posted 28 Jun 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
You could use --allow_multiple_clients and--gui_rpc_port to start multiple instances of BOINC and do them all at once.
191) Message boards : Number crunching : "BOINC portable" for Windows hosts (Message 1875289)
Posted 26 Jun 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thanks for detailed instruction.
I did just the same (but used relative path ..\BOINCdata to get to data directory ).
But encountered those issues i described in the first post.
Will try to reproduce yours exactly.

And how you handle same tasks cranching on "online" and "offline" hosts? Or "online" BOINc setup used only for fetching in this case (I tried to duplicte working BOINc from netbook so it had some duplicated tasks in cache after duplication).

Online and offline hosts are completely different data directories.
Online host would be D:\BOINC with data in D:\BOINCdata.
Then for flash drives from offline hosts would be E:\BOINC with data in E:\BOINCdata, or whatever drive letter the flash drive is mounted.
So there is no shared or duplicate data.
192) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (106) Server Problems? (Message 1875212)
Posted 26 Jun 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
DNS issues can sometimes take a while to sort.
A can't resolve host name error is not coming from the Seti servers.
Somebody forget to renew a domain?

It could be someone in the IT/IS department made changes in the berkeley DNS config. Perhaps moved the DNS servers to different IPs or something along those lines.
The weekend would be a more ideal time for the campus to do something like that.
193) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (106) Server Problems? (Message 1875083)
Posted 25 Jun 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I am getting 'can't resolve host name'......................

Looks like an uptick in errors.
Project details for: SETI@home including all dates
Scheduler Requests: 7325
Scheduler Success: 99 %, Count: 7275
Scheduler Failure: 0 %, Count: 50 (Total)
Scheduler Failure: 0 % of total, Count: 15 (Couldn't connect to server)
Scheduler Failure: 0 % of total, Count: 6 (HTTP service unavailable)
Scheduler Failure: 0 % of total, Count: 0 (HTTP internal server error)
Scheduler Failure: 0 % of total, Count: 29 (Couldn't resolve host name)
Scheduler Failure: 0 % of total, Count: 0 (Failure when receiving data from the peer)
Scheduler Failure: 0 % of total, Count: 0 (Timeout was reached)
Scheduler Timeout: 0 % of failures

Project details for: SETI@home including 25-Jun-2017
Scheduler Requests: 230
Scheduler Success: 90 %, Count: 208
Scheduler Failure: 9 %, Count: 22 (Total)
Scheduler Failure: 0 % of total, Count: 1 (Couldn't connect to server)
Scheduler Failure: 9 % of total, Count: 21 (Couldn't resolve host name)

Project details for: SETI@home including 24-Jun-2017
Scheduler Requests: 281
Scheduler Success: 99 %, Count: 279
Scheduler Failure: 0 %, Count: 2 (Total)
Scheduler Failure: 0 % of total, Count: 1 (Couldn't connect to server)
Scheduler Failure: 0 % of total, Count: 1 (HTTP service unavailable)

Project details for: SETI@home including 23-Jun-2017
Scheduler Requests: 279
Scheduler Success: 100 %, Count: 279

Project details for: SETI@home including 22-Jun-2017
Scheduler Requests: 278
Scheduler Success: 100 %, Count: 278
194) Message boards : Number crunching : "BOINC portable" for Windows hosts (Message 1875035)
Posted 25 Jun 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I don't think I have used the installer to put BOINC on a PC in 8 or 9 years.
If there are no registry entries telling BOINC where to put data. Then it will use the directory from where it was launched.

At my previous workplace I had a few machines that were on isolated networks without internet access. So I used sneakernet to get them work.

1. Connect flash drive for offline host.
2. Copy program files to flash drive. Something like E:\BOINC\
3. Stop BOINC client running on online host.
4. Start BOINC client from flash drive on online host.
5. Set BOINC to suspend processing
6. Connect to project(s).
7. Upgrade projects until desired cache level reached.
8. Stop BOINC client running on flash drive.
9. Connect flash drive to offline host.
10. Start BOINC client on online host.
12. Start BOINC client from flash drive on offline host.
13. Set BOINC to resume processing.

I have not had a problem with BOINC detecting GPUs when started this way. I would use an online host that had the same type of GPU as the offline host. So they would fetch the correct work & I would not have to reschedule tasks. Initially I rescheduled tasks for offline hosts with GPUs, but the introduction of task limits made that not as feasible.
Also this process could be modified so that you are running multiple instances of BOINC on the online host to send/fetch tasks, but I found it easier to just stop the running instance. As some previous versions of BOINC did not handle running multiple instances very well.

Because the path for USB drives sometimes changes I start BOINC with a .bat file like this. So I don't have to know the driver letter before hand.
pushd %~dp0
boinc.exe --skip_cpu_benchmarks --detach
start boincmgr.exe /s

You could add the command for --dir %~d0\BOINCData if you wanted BOINC place data in a directory other than from BOINC is launched.
195) Message boards : Number crunching : Looking for Best bang for the buck in CPU cooling for my Z-600 (Message 1874889)
Posted 24 Jun 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
On my dual E5-2670 I'm using a pair of Noctua i4 NH-U12DXi4 coolers. They seem to being a good job of keeping the CPUs between 55-64ºC while running 32 threads at 3GHz.
There is some variance since I set the thermostat to 80ºF during the day and the system is up in my lot. Which is generally always a few degrees warmer than the main level.

I am considering a pair of Corsair H110i for one of my other dual E5-2670 systems just to see how a LCS setup compares, but that is about $100 more than the air coolers.
196) Message boards : Number crunching : Anything relating to AstroPulse tasks (Message 1874887)
Posted 24 Jun 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
dirk posted something about that in the Radeon Software Crimson thread.

in an ideal world, one should be able to both mb/ap apps as well as multiple work units/gpu without producing invalids. the last time i was able to run multiple wu(s)/gpu without producing invalids was driver 14.4, but that driver is not as fast as the newer drivers. 14.4 works with my 290x/295x2 but not my 390x/radeon pro duo. i had similar problems on einstein as well.

so now i'm using a driver from this year but i only run one wu per gpu and i don't run ap at all. but i only speak of my own cards; cards less expensive than mine(like the 280x) don't have the same problem. and i don't have anything new like a rx480 so i can't speak to that either.

I've not been having problems with 15.12 on my 390x. Each time I have tried a 16.x+ driver I have had issues. Like a BSOD while windows is sitting at the desktop.
197) Message boards : Number crunching : Welcome to the 18 Year Club! (Message 1874156)
Posted 20 Jun 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
It just turned midnight, so it is officially June 20th. I can now join the 18 year club.

Steve

It looks like you were nearly the 19th from your original sign up time.
198) Message boards : Number crunching : Anything relating to AstroPulse tasks (Message 1873733)
Posted 18 Jun 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
SETI@home	Requesting new tasks for CPU
SETI@home	Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks
SETI@home	No tasks sent
SETI@home	No tasks are available for AstroPulse v7
SETI@home	This computer has reached a limit on tasks in progress


Well it's been a while since I've seen that.
199) Message boards : Number crunching : Getting the most production for the least electricity (Message 1873641)
Posted 17 Jun 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hal,

Why an i5 instead of an i7?

Tom
As I was specing the system for dedicated SETI@home use. Mostly cost and efficiency.
I would rather put the $110 difference in cost between the CPUs towards a 3rd GPU for a dedicated system.


Hal,
That leads to the question of does the proposed motherboard have "space" for a third GPU or do we get into "risers" and/or taking it out of its case?

This is fascinating thank you for the conversation.

Tom

The MB I considered for this configuration does have 3 PCIe x16 slots. Two of them are only x4 electrical, but that shouldn't be much of an issue.
Here are links to the parts I had in mind. MB, CPU, Mem, PSU, GPUs
I would probably use a M.2 SSD I already have, but if I needed to order one SSD
A case is always optional, but I did recently order a Thermaltake V51... I'm not sure why I did... maybe I'll use it for my next gaming PC build?
200) Message boards : Number crunching : Building a 32-Thread Xeon Monster PC for Less Than the Price of a Flagship Core i7 (Message 1873587)
Posted 17 Jun 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Are there any other lower cost alternative cpu's that produce similar results?
----------
There was a flood of E5-2670's to the 2nd hand market. As many data centers upgraded to the latest versions. So supply and demand are really the factors for pricing.
Once the E5-2600 v2 CPUs drop to a reasonable amount I'll pick up some to upgrade my current boards with v1 CPUs, but I don't expect that to happen soon.


I just saw some E5-2670's for $46 and some E5-2600's for $130-$150. I could not tell at the level I was looking if they were V2 or not.

Hmmmm.....

Tom

For E5-2670's around $50 is good. At the peak low point you could find pairs of them for $80 or ~$45 alone, but mostly you find single CPUs for ~$100 today.
The issue I originally had was finding a dual LGA2011 socket MB for under $200. Sometimes I would find one but then it would turn out to be a dual LGA2011-3 MB. Which is the socket for v3 and v4 Xeons.

The newer CPUs should be clearly labeled as V2. Given that it is part of the product name.
Often you find the L versions of CPUs much cheaper and not listed correctly. You can check the advertised clock speed against Intel's spec list. E5-2650L v2 (1.7GHZ 10c/20t) vs the E5-2650 v2 (2.6GHZ 8c/16t)
To replace my E5-2670's I'm looking for either E5-2650 v2 (2.6GHZ 8c/16t) or E5-2670 V2 (2.5GHz10c20t) CPUs.
201) Message boards : Number crunching : Getting the most production for the least electricity (Message 1873582)
Posted 17 Jun 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
If I wanted to build a system dedicated to running SETI@home today. I would go for:
i5-7400 CPU
H270 motherboard
two GTX 1060 3GB's
650w 80Plus Platinum PSU


Hal,

Why an i5 instead of an i7?

Tom

As I was specing the system for dedicated SETI@home use. Mostly cost and efficiency.
I would rather put the $110 difference in cost between the CPUs towards a 3rd GPU for a dedicated system.
202) Message boards : Number crunching : Getting the most production for the least electricity (Message 1873580)
Posted 17 Jun 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
i5-7400 CPU
H270 motherboard
two GTX 1060 3GB's
650w 80Plus Platinum PSU

Even with Petrie's special, total draw of that system would be around 350W (65+120+120+ rest of system) (SSD for boot/storage & 16GB RAM).
For that system i'd go with a 500W (brand name) PSU- 45%-55% load is roughly the sweet spot for a switch mode PSU maximum efficiency (that band is wider the higher the rating of the PSU- Bronze, Gold, Platinum etc) (The lower the load the less efficient, the closer to it's maximum rating the more likely problems are, so 65-75% of it's maximum rating is a good compromise).

There are a few reasons I decided on a 650W PSU.
1) It gives headroom to add a 3rd GPU. I estimated total system load to be ~230w for 2 GPUs and ~320w for 3 GPUs.
2) Efficiency actually starts to fall off after 50%. At least all of the data in the 80 PLUS Verification and Testing Reports indicates that it does.
Here is part of the report for the PSU I have in mind. http://i.imgur.com/V7VDR1J.png
3) The PSUs series that I currently get starts at 650w and go up.
203) Message boards : Number crunching : Building a 32-Thread Xeon Monster PC for Less Than the Price of a Flagship Core i7 (Message 1873467)
Posted 17 Jun 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The prices for dual E5-2670's are going up. months ago the CPUs were going for ~$50 and today are around $100
In October I bought a bundle with Intel S2600CP2J MB, 2 E5-2670's, & 128GB PC3-12800R for $470. Then a 2nd one a few weeks later.
Now that vendor has the same config for $626.

I did considering a LCS setup but air cooling with a pair of Noctura NH-U12DXi4's is working fine for me
http://i.imgur.com/ZMqgcrB.jpg


Are there any other lower cost alternative cpu's that produce similar results?

Thank you for helping me return this thread to the topic in the title!

Tom

There was a flood of E5-2670's to the 2nd hand market. As many data centers upgraded to the latest versions. So supply and demand are really the factors for pricing.
Once the E5-2600 v2 CPUs drop to a reasonable amount I'll pick up some to upgrade my current boards with v1 CPUs, but I don't expect that to happen soon.
204) Message boards : Number crunching : I have a new system, expected runtimes? (Message 1873464)
Posted 17 Jun 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
For those that are interested, Tom's Hardware posted an article looking at the new Mesh architecture Intel are using for their high core count/multi socket CPUs to replace their long standing Ring Bus architecture.
... on the Broadwell LCC (Low Core Count) die... for instance, moving data from one core to its closest neighbor requires one cycle. Moving data to more distant cores requires more cycles, thus increasing the latency associated with data transit. It can take up to 12 cycles to reach the most distant core...
The larger HCC (High Core Count) die exposes one of the problems with this approach. To increase the cores and cache, the HCC die employs dual ring buses. Communication between the two rings has to flow through a buffered switch (seen between the two rings at the top and bottom). Traversing the switch imposes a five-cycle penalty, and that is before the data has to continue through more hops to its destination.

So now I can see why, even though Seti work itself doesn't benefit from huge amounts of memory bandwidth, Kiska's runtimes were so high with the original setup of both DIMMs on the one CPU socket.
Intel mesh architecture.

Not populating all of the memory channels for a CPU reminds me of the saying "You can't put 10lbs of 'stuff' into a 5lb box"
205) Message boards : Number crunching : Getting the most production for the least electricity (Message 1873462)
Posted 17 Jun 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
For GPUs you will find this nice GPU Chart

For CPUs, basically pay attention to the TDP for their heating effect.


Thank you for pointing me to that spiffy chart.

Now I wonder if we can come up with an approximation of the same information for cpu's....

Tom

Newer generation CPUs are normally more efficient than their previous generation.
When looking to upgrade and you want to be "more efficient" there are a few avenues to help guide your decision.
A) Same power usage and greater output.
B) Lower power usage and the same output.
C) Somewhere between A & B
D) Lower power usage and greater output.
E) Lower power usage and less output.
There isn't normally much gain from one generation to the next, but skipping several gens can't be rather noticeable.
A current gen i5, or probably even an i3, would run circles around a Xeon X5680.

For me what I need the machine to do is what I solve first. Then I try to find the most efficient options.
Like one of my machines is a low powered Celeron J1900. Which pulls ~23w at full SETI@home load. For fun I popped a GTX 750 Ti to see if it hand enough ommph to feed the GPU as well. So now the system power usage is up to ~60w. The systems purpose is file storage, running scripts for reports about my network, and some other tasks. I plan to use it for some home automation stuff once I get around to it as well.

If I wanted to build a system dedicated to running SETI@home today. I would go for:
i5-7400 CPU
H270 motherboard
two GTX 1060 3GB's
650w 80Plus Platinum PSU
206) Message boards : Number crunching : Building a 32-Thread Xeon Monster PC for Less Than the Price of a Flagship Core i7 (Message 1873249)
Posted 16 Jun 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
As far as I know, it's 100 for each CPU (regardless as to how many cores it has) and 100 for each GPU in the computer. I know it wasn't supposed to be that way, it was supposed to be even more restrictive but regardless, that is what we have today.

The app_config and cc_config don't have anything to do with that, it's something from the server end

It is a limit of 100 CPU tasks in total per host. BOINC doesn't know how many physical CPUs are in a system. It only knows the count of total processors. :/
It would be great to have more than a cache of 100 tasks on my 16c/32t system. Since that is only about 6-7.5 hours.



The prices for dual E5-2670's are going up. months ago the CPUs were going for ~$50 and today are around $100
In October I bought a bundle with Intel S2600CP2J MB, 2 E5-2670's, & 128GB PC3-12800R for $470. Then a 2nd one a few weeks later.
Now that vendor has the same config for $626.

I did considering a LCS setup but air cooling with a pair of Noctura NH-U12DXi4's is working fine for me
http://i.imgur.com/ZMqgcrB.jpg
207) Message boards : Number crunching : Optimised application installation thread 2. (Message 1872987)
Posted 14 Jun 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
OK. So I am currently processing 4 X WUs and I X Graphics...a total of 5 WU been processed. Each WU is around 3 hours long.
While I had the Lunatic installed I had one almost 12 hour WU been processed. Is this in fact what the Optimized app does....?

I believe Wiggo mentioned this previously previously. The estimated completion times in BOINC when you change apps will be inaccurate until the server gets an accurate estimate.

This requires 11 good tasks to be completed. You can check the status of this from the Application details on your host.
So far your i3 has 3 results that count toward this. See Number of tasks completed.
SETI@home v8 (anonymous platform, CPU)
Number of tasks completed	3
Max tasks per day		36
Number of tasks today		0
Consecutive valid tasks		3
Average processing rate		17.65 GFLOPS
Average turnaround time		0.37 days

Sometimes you may see the value for Consecutive valid tasks higher than Number of tasks completed. because your returned a good result, but it was perhaps a VLAR or VHAR which falls outside the bounds to be included in Number of tasks completed

The Optimized apps work just like the other apps, but have code optimizations which can allow them to complete the same work faster.
208) Message boards : Number crunching : RX 480 OpenCL Question (Message 1872983)
Posted 14 Jun 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
It's been awhile, but have been playing with the command line parameters and watching their effects. Finally figured out why Boinc went from reporting 8192MB of memory on the card to 7536MB back on April 19th. It was due to a bios setting involving the iGPU on the motherboard. Even though I have the iGPU disabled, you still have to set where shared memory is set. Choices are above 4gb or below 4gb. Setting it to above 4gb, Boinc and Opencl report 7536MB of memory on the card. Setting to below 4gb, Boinc and Opencl report 8192MB of memory on the card.

Changing the iGPU memory settings sounded weird to me, but then I realized you have 8GB of system memory. So then it made sense.
There is something about video memory being mapped to system memory... or something along those lines.
209) Message boards : Number crunching : I have a new system, expected runtimes? (Message 1872982)
Posted 14 Jun 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Update: with 2 channels occupied, preliminary results are around about 9k seconds per task with 26 tasks running at once

That is looking much better. That is around the upper limit for tasks on mine running 32 tasks at once with 8 dimms (4 per CPU) in quad channel mode.
210) Message boards : Number crunching : Anything relating to AstroPulse tasks (Message 1872981)
Posted 14 Jun 2017 by Profile HAL9000
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I ended up grabbing 49. There's still a few channels left to split, so I may pick up one or two more.

This was a good run.

As always. Crunch em if you got em.
211) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (106) Server Problems? (Message 1872980)
Posted 14 Jun 2017 by Profile HAL9000
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I I understand correctly, the scheduler use to take the priority of (AP or Seti) then fill the remainder with "other" if the request could filled - It hasn't done that for a very long time now. I believe this dates back to the problems in the scheduler when AMD v8.23? was released and failed.

Yeah that is how the If no work for selected applications is available, accept work from other applications? option used to work.
When I had my options set for AP: Yes, MB: no, Other apps: Yes many moons ago that is how it worked anyway.
When there was regular AP work that configuration would keep the caches mostly full of AP tasks with an odd MB task now and then when the feeder didn't have any.
I later stopped using the other apps option. Since I found it easier to toggle AP or MB for the venues when needed a better option.
212) Message boards : Number crunching : Anything relating to AstroPulse tasks (Message 1872662)
Posted 12 Jun 2017 by Profile HAL9000
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What does the d stand for? Is it days hours and minutes when it is AP?
They are big WUs!!!

About 20 times more bytes than MB tasks, but only about 4 times longer to crunch.

Looks like I'm up to 239 with 117 In Progress across my boxen. My 16c/32t system really burns though them.
213) Message boards : Number crunching : I have a new system, expected runtimes? (Message 1872379)
Posted 11 Jun 2017 by Profile HAL9000
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So another update: I have installed PCM - Processor Counter Monitor
And in there I can see memory bandwidth utilisation
And wow is my memory getting hammered!
18GB/s on single channel DDR3-1333(PC3-10600R) memory, and because my motherboard does weird things with memory, if I only populate 1 slot of a channel it halves the memory bandwidth!


That is my argument for using the preferences on Seti/Boinc website (or locally in the Boinc manager) to reduce the number of cpu's you are trying to use. It will reduce the memory contention until you are able to add to memory. And I think it will increase productivity. If the test goal were to reduce to processing to say four (4) cores you would set the amount of cpu to: (4/36 actual cores) = 11%

It is also very possible the paging file on your hard disk is being hit on a fulltime basis (which slows life down). The best fix for that is more memory :) But there are two free things you can do that MIGHT help. 1) Set your paging file minimum and maximum's to whatever the current recommendation is by windows (re-visit it every time you add memory). Reboot as required. 2) Download a free version of "DeFragler" from Piriform. Under Settings -> Boot time defrag -> do once. What this will do is defrag your paging file so that it has the fastest possible access. This might help your memory contention issue some, and it will help system "responsiveness". It does take time, so don't freak out if it takes 5 minutes+ to defrag the paging file (that is why I only do it "once").

The above trick will help, for instance, a PC/Laptop/Netbook that is pausing but otherwise has sufficient memory. It gets less "laggy".

HTH,
Tom


Its not hitting my paging file at all, I'll grab a snippet of what is happening from pcm:
---------------------------------------||---------------------------------------|
|--             Socket  0             --||--             Socket  1             --|
|---------------------------------------||---------------------------------------|
|--     Memory Channel Monitoring     --||--     Memory Channel Monitoring     --|
|---------------------------------------||---------------------------------------|
|-- Mem Ch  1: Reads (MB/s):    -1.00 --||-- Mem Ch  1: Reads (MB/s):  5795.37 --|
|--            Writes(MB/s):    -1.00 --||--            Writes(MB/s):  3507.86 --|
|-- Mem Ch  3: Reads (MB/s):  5527.16 --||-- Mem Ch  3: Reads (MB/s):    -1.00 --|
|--            Writes(MB/s):  2983.31 --||--            Writes(MB/s):    -1.00 --|
|-- NODE 0 Mem Read (MB/s) :  5527.16 --||-- NODE 1 Mem Read (MB/s) :  5795.37 --|
|-- NODE 0 Mem Write(MB/s) :  2983.31 --||-- NODE 1 Mem Write(MB/s) :  3507.86 --|
|-- NODE 0 P. Write (T/s):    1665388 --||-- NODE 1 P. Write (T/s):    2343303 --|
|-- NODE 0 Memory (MB/s):     8510.47 --||-- NODE 1 Memory (MB/s):     9303.23 --|
|---------------------------------------||---------------------------------------|
|---------------------------------------||---------------------------------------|
|--                 System Read Throughput(MB/s):      11322.53                --|
|--                System Write Throughput(MB/s):       6491.17                --|
|--               System Memory Throughput(MB/s):      17813.70                --|
|---------------------------------------||---------------------------------------|

That is it running 27 CPU tasks + 1 GPU. SO what is happening is that the app is waiting for data from memory, and it waits and waits, but it still uses 100% of the thread until it has that data
Say I reduce it to 4 CPU tasks and each of them run for 1.5 hrs and leaving them at 27 tasks and each of them run for 5 hrs for example. This PC would be more productive in doing 27 tasks in a 5 hr period than 12-14 tasks in the same 5 hr period when I reduce it

I would probably start BOINC with the affinity command and set it to only use CPU 0 and then have the 2 dimms in slots for CPU0.
Something along the lines of "start /affinity FFFF C:\BOINC\boinc.exe". Alternativly if you are using NUMA you could simplify the command like "start /NODE 0 C:\BOINC\boinc.exe"
Also making use of the cc_config.xml option for <ncpus> or telling BOINC to only use 50% of the CPUs would be needed. Otherwise it would try to run 32 tasks across 16 CPUs.
214) Message boards : Number crunching : Why won't S@H download CPU WUs unless I force it? (Message 1872377)
Posted 11 Jun 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Is there a way to fix this?

If Rosetta is your backup project then the best method would be to set it's Resource share to 0. That way it will only run when you are out of Seti work.

Some one that knows about these things will be along, but I'm fairly sure that resource share used to be based on time spent crunching. Then it was changed to be based on Credit (or estimated credit- something along those lines), so with different projects granting different amounts of credit, and the larger your cache, and the large difference in deadlines, the less BOINC appears to honour your resource share settings over the short term.

Unfortunately Rosetta doesn't use a new enough server version to support setting the resource share to 0.
215) Message boards : Number crunching : I have a new system, expected runtimes? (Message 1872104)
Posted 10 Jun 2017 by Profile HAL9000
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Another update, with 1 module in either socket, the runtime has reduced from ~10 hrs to ~5 hrs using the AVX app

With 1 DIMM per CPU socket lower CPU times would make sense to me.
Given each CPU would have direct access to the memory. Instead of one CPU having to access memory via the QPI link to the other CPU.
216) Message boards : Number crunching : Dell Inspiron 530 (Message 1872099)
Posted 10 Jun 2017 by Profile HAL9000
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Or stick a GTX 1050 Ti in it to make it worthwhile. ;-)

Cheers.

OK....Just had a look at the price of that.....can you suggest anything a bit cheaper.....
I notice my Dell is not showing any graphic activity on my account...I thought it would have had some thing.....
Thanks for your help guys....

I had a few of those at the last place I worked.
IIRC they shipped with either on-board Intel graphics or something along the lines of a Radeon X1300 series GPU. Both are to old to do any kind of GPU crunching.
Running only CPU tasks with the optimized apps I seem to recall they had a RAC in the 1200-1500 range.
217) Message boards : Number crunching : Disk space... (Message 1871699)
Posted 8 Jun 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
That is all it needs.

So should I lower those totals down on my computers? As in considerably....?
Thank you for your reply.

It is the limit that BOINC will use for any and all projects you run.
For most of my systems I have no limit set "Use no more than --- GB "
218) Message boards : Number crunching : I have a new system, expected runtimes? (Message 1871695)
Posted 8 Jun 2017 by Profile HAL9000
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So I have almost finished building my system, need to get more RAM to fill the 16 slots I have, and more hard drives + SSD, so what is the expected runtime of each task?
Here is my PC
I have run a few units, but I need a baseline from someone else to compare.
Is having only 2 of 16 slots filled for RAM hampering apps currently

The E5-2670 CPU works best when using all 4 channels of the 4 channel memory interface. So for 2 CPUs you would be looking at a minimum of 8 dimms for best performance.
Right now with my dual E5-2670 system I am only running with eight 8GB dimms, for a total of 64GB, Even though I do have sixteen 8GB dimms to put in it. My main reason for that is I do not currently need 128GB in the system. So removing half the RAM saves power usage.

With turbo keeping my CPUs running at 3.0GHz task run times are ~2-2.5hrs for 32 at a time.
219) Message boards : Number crunching : Do we have more data than volunteers? (Message 1871514)
Posted 7 Jun 2017 by Profile HAL9000
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Speculation is pointless, I have a good reason to do this and SETI@Home serves the purpose. I may do more, as this is only a few racks in one row of several in my data center. It's only temporary, will end when it ends. Enjoy the fireworks.

I will say that I am not interested in competing against anyone. I just happen to like SETI@Home, even though I know the odds of it finding what it is looking for are infinitesimal.

Oh don't get me wrong I'm in this for science and am more than happy you've dedicated your machines to the search.

I'm just a little envious of your data center compared to my small farm. Unfortunately I'm constrained by available space, power and finances.


...and just like that, I have turned it off. Oh, well. It was fun while it lasted. But like Arnold said, "I'll be back." :)

Machines come and go. The search must go on...
220) Message boards : Number crunching : I've Built a Couple OSX CUDA Apps... (Message 1871511)
Posted 7 Jun 2017 by Profile HAL9000
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The site came back up early Sunday, however, I haven't heard anything from nVidia in a week. Nothing since them asking for instructions on the Benchmark App. They released CUDA driver 8.0.83 but it doesn't work any better on my machine. So, I'll just stay at 10.12.4 with the Maxwell drivers for now, they seem to be working very well with both the 7.5 and 8.0 Special App. The 7.5 Special App works well on my machine in Yosemite with the 7.5.30 driver and in El Capitan with 8.0.71. I might be at 10.12.4, 367.15.10.45f01, and 8.0.71 for a while.


This cone of silence tends to descend prior to a new architecture coming, so with Volta V100 existing (supposedly) then the Driver and Cuda team may be sequestered (prevents leaks). Once the large die has support, I suspect the pattern of opening up new Cuda version + Drivers may happen suddenly/quickly, though the addition of Deep learning and the new Tensor processors may see a different timeframe than the last few generations. We'll see.

As someone that has done software testing as a profession for ~18 or so years. There is defiantly a big hush between the time the final software is delivered and the planned release date.
The software company I currently work for delivered a software release to the client in early April but their expected announcement date isn't until this Friday. Unless they change it, but since it is a US government agency they generally tend to stick to the initial dates the give us.
Unlike the Canadian or EU agencies we work with. That change their mind at a drop of a hat without notice or updating their documentation...
221) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (106) Server Problems? (Message 1871371)
Posted 5 Jun 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have an old (Gen-1) Core I7. My tests on it indicate HT gives about a 20% boost in overall throughput.
However I do not like to "starve" my GPU so I run with the CPU "opposite" it idle. (I.E. GPU WU feeder runs on cpu 0 and cpu 1 is idle).

Ed F

My old i7-860 showed an 11.1% increase in power consumption & a 27.7% increase in work output when running HT on with 8 tasks vs HT off with 4 tasks.
Since it has 1600MHz DDR3 I'm not sure how much of a factor that plays vs a system with 1333MHz DDR3.
222) Message boards : Number crunching : AMD's Upcoming Ryzen R9 "Threadripper" 16-core, 32-thread CPU (Message 1871358)
Posted 5 Jun 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The last time I read it the PCIe spec also included a x32 slot. Probably meant for riser cards. It seems like for GPGPU use, probably in server situations, hardware for such a lot could be developed.

One thing to keep in mind is that not of those PCIe will be available for GPUs. From one article I read:
The Ryzen processors will allow for a mammoth amount of PCIe lanes which amount to 64. There’s 48 PCIe lanes entirely dedicated to the graphics cards whereas Intel’s X299 features a total of 44 PCIe lanes and less than that would be dedicated to the graphics cards.
From that I would expect the Ryzen Threadripper to probably be setup for 16/16/16 or 16/16/8/8.
Thanks for the insight Hal, that raises one more question for me then. Do the current crop of 'latest and greatest' cards (thinking maybe the GTX1080Ti for example) actually _use_ that full bandwidth that an x16 slot provides? If so, would it mostly be in a gaming situation, or would our crunching also put that kind of strain on the system bus as well? I thought I remembered asking something similar a couple years ago when maybe it was the 900 series cards being released and the consensus was not really, but the bus hasn't gotten any faster, yet I'd think that the demands put on it by ever higher performance cards would be getting greater. Though, I would also have to think that if we were really honestly getting close to the edge, they would be announcing maybe PCIeX or something, because I'd believe they would be very sensitive to having their expensive hardware throttled by the system bus and would be pushing to keep it well ahead of current technologies capabilities?

They keep increasing the speed of PCI Express. So increasing the number of lanes isn't really required. The final draft for PCIe 4.0 with 16GT/s ( double PCIe 3.0's 8GT/s) is expected to be released this year.
IIRC the SETI@home SoG GPU apps should use less PCIe bandwidth vs the non-SoG apps.
I seem to recall someone doing test with the CUDA app with GPUs in different PCIe slots. I want to say they they saw a minor increase in run times with a x4 slot and significant slowdowns with a x1 slot.
With my GTX 750 ti changing from a 2.0 x16 to a 2.0 x1 slot didn't make any difference. Currently the 750 ti is averaging ~20% for bus usage with two instance of the SoG app and running in a x1 slot.
223) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (106) Server Problems? (Message 1871244)
Posted 5 Jun 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
. . However, it must be good for contributors like this new guy Juan Jimenez https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/show_user.php?userid=93982. Bringing nearly 7000 CPU cores (yep that's the right number of zeroes) to the project he must feel delighted about the current guppi deluge :) Stephen :(

New? Says he's been around since 1999?
I'm pretty impressed with the 225 PCs he's running; wonder which Uni or Corp is footing the bill for that? As far as CPU count, that I'm a bit less impressed with. Not getting that much RAC per box.
You can tell BOINC how many CPUs you want it to emulate; doesn't mean they're really there. And that can be a valid thing to do; I do it on my X5675 boxes to max out the usage on those Xeons.
But at least in my experience, the most that gain you anything is actual cores (*2 for hyper-threading) - 1 per GPU. And there's a lot of debate as to whether hyper-threading really gains you anything at all. There's a few boxes where it looks as though he's way, way beyond that.

Each time I have tested HT or no HT I have always seen more work done with HT enabled.
With my dual E5-2670 I am planning on doing a more detailed test of running fewer tasks than threads in steps of 2 until I get down to 16 again.
224) Message boards : Number crunching : Do we have more data than volunteers? (Message 1871176)
Posted 4 Jun 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Wiggo, We found you a new heater for the 'shed' :D
Although your solar array may need a tad of an upgrade!

I like to be warm, but not cooked. :-O

Cheers.

I don't know. It's probably only about 50KW or 180,000 BTU. That's only like 100,000 BTU more than the furnace in my home...
I'd ballpark a RAC of around 8.5-9 million.
225) Message boards : Number crunching : CES 2017 -- AMD RYZEN CPU (Message 1871128)
Posted 4 Jun 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I've got a couple of Ryzen 1700's running such as this one running Linux. My current quandary is if I should replace the 1700's with 1700x or not. Apart from the initial cost of buying another CPU there is an extra 30 watts for the 1700x for about a 10 to 12% gain in productivity.

I did some experiments with the Einstein gravity wave tuning run on them. Running 16 at a time average run time was 33,000 to 37,000 seconds, when I limit it to 8 via an app_config they came in at 20,000 seconds. The app was their AVX and it got the Lo work units.

My current experiment is to see if leaving a single thread free improves performance or not. I'm running a single GPU with the Seti CUDA80 app so it can make use of the available thread but certainly doesn't need its own as it sleeps a fair bit (according to top).

I thought the only difference between the 1700 and 1700X, besides the 400MHz higher base clock on the 1700X, was the XFR auto over clocking feature.
So if you have a sufficient cooling setup you could bump the multiplier and have the same performance for $70 less.
I kind of want to setup a Ryzen 1700 system for testing. As the the CPU run times I've been seeing for Ryzen systems completing normal and VLAR tasks have been about the same as my E5-2670 @ 3.0GHz running 32 tasks at once with the AVX app. When I disable one CPU and only run 16 task at once the run times go down, but less work gets done.
226) Message boards : Number crunching : constant errors on cpu wu's (Message 1870913)
Posted 3 Jun 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I run lunatics apps on my other two systems, but the laptop has an intel gpu (no gpu app as far as i know) so I only run cpu apps on that.

According to the applications list there is an application for your system.
Linux/x86_64 8.22 (opencl_intel_gpu_sah)
It looks like you would need to find a driver that supports OpenCL. As BOINC is not currently detecting the iGPU.
227) Message boards : Number crunching : Getting the most bang for your buck from a GTX 1060 (Message 1870799)
Posted 3 Jun 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Values beyond 2048 didn't really increase the about of dedicated memory usage displayed in GPUz or have an effect on run time.
From my notes: SBS values and GPUz dedicated mem usage.
-sbs 64, 311MB
-sbs 256, 382MB
-sbs 512, 760MB
-sbs 1024, 1290MB
-sbs 1536, 2320MB
-sbs 2048, 3346MB
-sbs 2560, 3350MB
-sbs 3072, 3375MB
-sbs 3584, 3370MB

I gave 3072 a try, but likewise didn't find any improvement in run times.
I suspect it's not just the amount of memory, but how it's divisible by all the other configured values (eg -spike_fft_thresh 4096 -tune 1 64 1 4 -oclfft_tune_gr 256 -oclfft_tune_lr 16 -oclfft_tune_wg 256 -oclfft_tune_ls 512 -oclfft_tune_bn 64 -oclfft_tune_cw 64 etc) if they don't fit evenly in the memory allocated, then you don't get any benefit from using that extra memory.

All I have in my config for my R9 390x is "-sbs 2048 -tt 90".
228) Message boards : Number crunching : AMD EPYC Benchmarks Smash the WinTel Hedgemony?... (Message 1870794)
Posted 3 Jun 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
And those AMD benchmarks very nicely trounce the best of Intel. Also interesting there for the use of Ubuntu 16.10 (Linux) to make the best use of all that performance.

Yeah, comparing the latest AMD hardware to older Intel hardware that also has less RAM than the AMD system is a really great way to compare performance...

So...

What current Intel hardware would you compare against and at what price?

(And which Intel hardware can accept 512GB of DDR4 memory?)


Happy fast crunchin',
Martin

Both the E5-2560 v4 & E5-2699A v4 they used in the comparison support 1536GB of DD4 @ 2400MHz in single socket configurations or 3TB in dual socket configurations.
The previous generation E5 v3 CPUs support 768MB of DDR4 @ 2133MHz in single socket configurations or 1.5TB in dual socket configurations.
229) Message boards : Number crunching : Getting the most bang for your buck from a GTX 1060 (Message 1870784)
Posted 3 Jun 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
In my testing using a values for sbs higher than 2048 did not seem to be of any benefit. YMMV

Did it allocate those higher values?

When I tried higher values, everything just ends up as "Waiting to run"

Fftlength=32,pass=3:Tune: sum=42194.2(ms); min=227.3(ms); max=557.5(ms); mean=548(ms); s_mean=554.7; sleep=555(ms); delta=5765; N=77; high_perf
Fftlength=64,pass=3:Tune: sum=38010.5(ms); min=106(ms); max=255.7(ms); mean=248.4(ms); s_mean=249.9; sleep=240(ms); delta=3034; N=153; high_perf
Fftlength=128,pass=3:Tune: sum=36147.7(ms); min=51.05(ms); max=126.7(ms); mean=118.5(ms); s_mean=119.1; sleep=120(ms); delta=1669; N=305; high_perf
Fftlength=256,pass=3:Tune: sum=35184.9(ms); min=25.82(ms); max=63.16(ms); mean=57.77(ms); s_mean=58.05; sleep=60(ms); delta=1290; N=609; high_perf
Fftlength=512,pass=3:Tune: sum=35271.5(ms); min=12.83(ms); max=32.18(ms); mean=28.98(ms); s_mean=28.97; sleep=30(ms); delta=1557; N=1217; high_perf
Fftlength=1024,pass=3:Tune: sum=26758.2(ms); min=4.745(ms); max=13.22(ms); mean=10.99(ms); s_mean=11.04; sleep=0(ms); delta=2604; N=2435; high_perf
Fftlength=2048,pass=3:Tune: sum=23917.2(ms); min=2.352(ms); max=7.128(ms); mean=4.912(ms); s_mean=4.89; sleep=0(ms); delta=1; N=4869; usual
Fftlength=4096,pass=3:Tune: sum=22572.6(ms); min=1.055(ms); max=2.479(ms); mean=2.318(ms); s_mean=2.315; sleep=0(ms); delta=1; N=9737; usual
Fftlength=8192,pass=3:Tune: sum=25582.1(ms); min=1.216(ms); max=1.715(ms); mean=1.314(ms); s_mean=1.333; sleep=0(ms); delta=1; N=19475; usual

If I understand this printout correctly, Fftlength=8192 gives the best processing speed, but having 8GB of VRAM means only 4096 would be possible (or maybe 6144) and still better than my present 2048. If only it were possible.

I mostly increased sbs in increments of 512 up to 4096 and using 4096 was a no go.
Values beyond 2048 didn't really increase the about of dedicated memory usage displayed in GPUz or have an effect on run time.
From my notes: SBS values and GPUz dedicated mem usage.
-sbs 64, 311MB
-sbs 256, 382MB
-sbs 512, 760MB
-sbs 1024, 1290MB
-sbs 1536, 2320MB
-sbs 2048, 3346MB
-sbs 2560, 3350MB
-sbs 3072, 3375MB
-sbs 3584, 3370MB
230) Message boards : Number crunching : I am looking for a standalone Seti screen saver (a recorded loop would be fine) / Lunatics (Message 1870778)
Posted 2 Jun 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Many years ago (early BOINC days) someone here did make a video or animated gif of the old Seti Classic screensaver, but that's the only details that I can remember.

Maybe some inspired person could make another 1 up.

Cheers.

Doing a quick search I found a few dozen videos on youtube.
231) Message boards : Number crunching : AMD's Upcoming Ryzen R9 "Threadripper" 16-core, 32-thread CPU (Message 1870776)
Posted 2 Jun 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
While Intel might release a chip with similar cores, it's the number of PCIe lanes that really make this chip something to look at.....

As Jayztwocents states, intel is cutting back on the number of PCIe lanes on lower models and from what I have seen increased it by 4 on the higher end ones..

From the reviews on the Threadripper, it has 64 PCIe lanes...That means true x16 for 4 GPUs....(as long as you don't use anything else in those lanes)..Not a big deal where but at Einstein and other projects where the apps haven't been heavily modified, that would go a long ways to improving throughput..
I've always wondered why they set that arbitrary limit, and would have expected them to have gone to 64 a long time ago, as it is a multiple of the 16 lanes that was specified when they created the PCIe spec years ago. Never understood their reasoning, anyone have any 'out in the weeds' insight to this? There's a lot of smart people here, I figured it wouldn't hurt to at least ask.

The last time I read it the PCIe spec also included a x32 slot. Probably meant for riser cards. It seems like for GPGPU use, probably in server situations, hardware for such a lot could be developed.

One thing to keep in mind is that not of those PCIe will be available for GPUs. From one article I read:
The Ryzen processors will allow for a mammoth amount of PCIe lanes which amount to 64. There’s 48 PCIe lanes entirely dedicated to the graphics cards whereas Intel’s X299 features a total of 44 PCIe lanes and less than that would be dedicated to the graphics cards.
From that I would expect the Ryzen Threadripper to probably be setup for 16/16/16 or 16/16/8/8.
232) Message boards : Number crunching : I am looking for a standalone Seti screen saver (a recorded loop would be fine) / Lunatics (Message 1870757)
Posted 2 Jun 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
If you use the electricity to keep monitors on that aren't being used. Then perhaps you could use an animated gifs or video of the screen saver running as a screensaver.
233) Message boards : Number crunching : Getting the most bang for your buck from a GTX 1060 (Message 1870751)
Posted 2 Jun 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
From my experience with the AMD driver over the last two months, and I have no idea if the same is true for the NVidia driver, the command line options -high_perf and the ratio between -period_iterartions and -tts, would often cause the video driver to reset. This doesn't trash the task, just sends it into LaLa land forcing me to do a system restart. So experimenting with these options and/or the overclocking settings (you don't have to try increasing in large steps, just try small increments of like 5MHz) would be a good situation where you would want to have Boinc getting tasks one at a time, and once you get to a stable maximum, then go back to your original cache settings.

As for the longer times when running two tasks at a time, I don't know how the -sbs setting affects the cuda app, but the NVidia opencl app appears produce the same result information as on an AMD, and here I know how the -sbs increase affects a task. Watch for the following lines in the result file for an opencl task:

OpenCL-kernels filename : MultiBeam_Kernels_r3584.cl
ar=0.446582 NumCfft=191633 NumGauss=1059283078 NumPulse=226323398120 NumTriplet=452717731126
Currently allocated 1573 MB for GPU buffers

At first I thought those buffers were on the CPU, but after communication with Rastimer, they are in the GPU's opencl memory. Now both NVidia and AMD limit the amount of opencl memory on their cards. So even though my GPU has 8192MB of memory, it only has 3072MB of opencl memory. For Rastimer's Seti stock app (r3584.cl) a -sbs 1476 setting produces the 1573MB of buffers which is fine for one task at a time. However, 1573*2 (tasks) = 3146MB which exceeds the opencl limit of 3072MB, so the GPU has to do a lot of swapping causing increased runtimes. Rastimer's Lunactics Seti app (r3557.cl) allows you to use an even higher -sbs setting.

Another consideration is that the GPU apps are 32-bit. So will have a limit on how much memory they can use.
Radeon drives include a clinfo application you an run from the command line to find out OpenCL system info. Nvidia wasn't including a clinfo app with their drivers last I checked, but they may have started.
For my 8GB R9 390x I get two different values for max memory allocation.
The output of clinfo displays: Max memory allocation: 4282373120
In a task result it displays: Max memory allocation: 3221225472
In my testing using a values for sbs higher than 2048 did not seem to be of any benefit. YMMV
234) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (106) Server Problems? (Message 1870494)
Posted 1 Jun 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
That is a very interesting script output, Hal. Did you cobble that together yourself..... or is there a utility that I am not aware of?

It's one of the scripts I tossed together to check and see how BOINC is doing.
Currently it is just a .bat script, but I'm working to convert most of my scripts into powershell. Since powershell has a lot more functionality.
Maybe after I do that I'll package them all together for download.
235) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (106) Server Problems? (Message 1870474)
Posted 1 Jun 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thread has gone cold. Is anybody else having issues getting work? I have had nothing but "no work is available" across all systems for the entire afternoon, and now into evening. All I get is 1 task every 30 minutes or so on all systems. Do we have stuck splitters again?

Things look pretty good on my end. Since this only covers about the past 24 hours Tuesday recovery does cause the request not gaining work to be higher than average.
Total number of work requests: 538
Number of requests gaining work: 50
Number of requests not gaining work: 484
Number of requests that hit project task limit: 207
Number of requests not gaining work: 255 (because request was too recent)
Number of requests not gaining work: 18 (not including project task limit, or too recent)
Number of times no work was requested: 4
Number of tasks gained: 78

Tasks per request percent and count: Total (538 requests)
0 tasks: 89 %, 484
1 tasks: 8 %, 45
2 tasks: 0 %, 2
3 tasks: 0 %, 1
4 tasks: 0 %, 1

Tasks per request percent and count: Total (50 gained and 18 valid zero requests) 68
0 tasks: 26 %, 18
1 tasks: 66 %, 45
2 tasks: 2 %, 2
3 tasks: 1 %, 1
4 tasks: 1 %, 1

Tasks per request percent and count: Total (Only when work assigned)
1 tasks: 90 %, 45
2 tasks: 4 %, 2
3 tasks: 2 %, 1
4 tasks: 2 %, 1

Press any key to continue . . .
236) Message boards : Number crunching : To try to take advantage of AVX I switched to Lunatics and have just run thru 352 errors, opps! (Message 1870466)
Posted 1 Jun 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The abandoned tasks look like the ones your had on your system before switching to the optimized apps. That is something that can happen if your haven't run down your cache before switching.
The Stderr output will be empty because your computer didn't do any processing for those tasks. Note the Run time of 0.0 seconds.

If you look at your list of valid and pending tasks you will see those with the application of "Anonymous platform (CPU)" which are completing successfully.


Ok, so I am ignorant! :( Yes, I got impatient and right after a project reset / remove / re-install to try to get SOG processing I switched to Lunatics so I could force the SOG. And take advantage of the AXV.

Ok, its back to AXV again.

Thank you for clearing that up.

Tom

I really don't worry about Error tasks. Normally it is a result of something I did or something beyond my control, like download errors, but the ones to be on the lookout for are Invalid tasks.
Some people worry about tasks that are marked Validation inconclusive, but so long as they don't become Invalid I don't really concern myself with the small percentage of them. Currently I'm at about 0.8947% inconclusive tasks. Sometimes you will get a bunch of inconclusive tasks because you were paired with a host that is trashing work.
I had an old AMD X2 with a GT 8500 that would generate 2-3 invalid tasks a month, but that was such a small percentage of the work it completed I didn't worry about it.
237) Message boards : Number crunching : To try to take advantage of AVX I switched to Lunatics and have just run thru 352 errors, opps! (Message 1870458)
Posted 1 Jun 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The abandoned tasks look like the ones you had on your system before switching to the optimized apps. That is something that can happen if your haven't run down your cache before switching.
The Stderr output will be empty because your computer didn't do any processing for those tasks. Note the Run time of 0.0 seconds.

If you look at your list of valid and pending tasks you will see those with the application of "Anonymous platform (CPU)" or Anonymous platform (NVIDIA GPU) which are completing successfully.
238) Message boards : Number crunching : AMD's Upcoming Ryzen R9 "Threadripper" 16-core, 32-thread CPU (Message 1870439)
Posted 1 Jun 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
While Intel might release a chip with similar cores, it's the number of PCIe lanes that really make this chip something to look at.....

As Jayztwocents states, intel is cutting back on the number of PCIe lanes on lower models and from what I have seen increased it by 4 on the higher end ones..

From the reviews on the Threadripper, it has 64 PCIe lanes...That means true x16 for 4 GPUs....(as long as you don't use anything else in those lanes)..Not a big deal where but at Einstein and other projects where the apps haven't been heavily modified, that would go a long ways to improving throughput..

I was thinking Intel had bumped up the number of PCIe lanes going from the ix-6000 series ix-7000 CPUs, but it was actually an increase in the 100 to 200 series chipset PCIe lanes.

I remember the race to break the 1GHz barrier. Maybe the next race will be something like 100+ x86 CPU cores.
However Intel is already pretty close to that with their 72 core CPUs
Being able to buy a new 16+ core CPU in the $300-400 range would be pretty nice. I'm hoping they have a good fight.
239) Message boards : Number crunching : GPU FLOPS: Theory vs Reality (Message 1870430)
Posted 1 Jun 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I was going to tell him to go with the 6GB 1060 but I don't own either so take that for what it's worth, lol...

I've spoken with several people here who also run 1060's about the memory size difference and unless you're gaming with them you'll see no difference with them here (it maybe different with other projects though), in fact most of those with the 6GB versions now wish that they'd with the cheaper option. ;-)

Cheers.

On paper the 6GB version with 1280 cores vs the 3GB version with 1152 cores has 11% more performance, but is about 25% more expensive.
So in GFLOPs per $ the 3GB wins out. In real world performance the 11% more performance would probably be closer to 5% too.
GPU		GFLOPS	MSRP	TDP	GFLOPS/$	GFLOPS/Watt
GT  1030	942	$70	30	13.457143	31.40
GTX 1050	1733	$109	75	15.899083	23.11
GTX 1050 Ti	1981	$139	75	14.251799	26.41
GTX 1060 3GB	3470	$199	120	17.437186	28.92
GTX 1060 6GB	3855	$249	120	15.481928	32.13
GTX 1070	5783	$379	150	15.258575	38.55
GTX 1080	8228	$599	180	13.736227	45.71
GTX 1080 Ti	10609	$699.00	250	15.177396	42.44

Given the base specs the 1060 3GB seems like a better overall choice than the 1050 ti for the most efficient cruncher.
240) Message boards : Number crunching : 24/7 Boinc pc, what do i need? (Message 1870423)
Posted 31 May 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Really any computer you want to use will work for SETI@home. If you want it to run 100% 24/7 then the only thing I feel that really would need special attention is making the cooling better than stock.
For my Celeron J1900 system I added an 80mm fan and a GTX 750 ti with a PCIe x16 to x1 adapter. http://i.imgur.com/Hey7HV6.jpg
The CPU in it isn't that great for SETI@home tasks. So I run a few other projects on the CPU and SETI@home on the GPU.
241) Message boards : Number crunching : Please take a look (Message 1870417)
Posted 31 May 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Step 1) Actually describe your problem or what you are trying to investigate.
My response to "look at this and tell me what you think" would be "That's a screenshot"
Step 2) Sometimes you have to wait a while for people to actually read your post and figure out what is going on.

Also you can override/adjust the <avg_ncpus> value for any application or project with an [http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Client_configuration#Application_configuration]app_config.xml[/url]
I'm not sure if you are thinking this, but despite what most people seem to assume. The "CPU usage" for an app has absolutely nothing to do with controlling the CPU usage for the science apps.
BOINC uses the value to figure out how to allocate the CPU resources for a host.
If you were to specify 3.0 for either <cpu_usage> or <avg_ncpus> in an app_config an application on your 6 CPU system. Then BOINC would only run 3 other CPU tasks.
One one of my systems the app_config parameter for <project_max_concurrent> stops working after the current running tasks finish and new ones start. To combat this I have my app config configured like this:
<app>
	<name>setiathome_v8</name>
	<gpu_versions>
		<gpu_usage>1.0</gpu_usage>
		<cpu_usage>2.0</cpu_usage>
	</gpu_versions>
</app>

So that while the GPU has work no more than 3 SETI@home tasks will be running on my 4c/4t system.

A science app using more than 1 CPU core intermittently isn't really unexpected. Since all of the threads in an application are not normally bound to a specific processor.
There might be a main worker thread that is going to actual calculations. Then another to do the background BOINC communications or data writing.
242) Message boards : Number crunching : Welcome to the 18 Year Club! (Message 1870406)
Posted 31 May 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I still had a 4 as the first digit of my age :-)
lol I had a 3 as mine, but I am not complaining, it's certainly better than not having any more numbers changing!

My 18th will not come until August. I had a 5 as the first digit of my age.

Still crunching!

Hmmm... I think mine had a 1 for the first digit when I first started. Unless it was after my b-day that year. Then it would have started with a 2.
Been there, done that, & literally got the t-shirt.
I wonder if anyone is thinking of anything special for the 20 yr anniversary. Defiantly to soon for a SETI@home toaster... maybe that could be a 25yr thing...
243) Message boards : Number crunching : Do we have more data than volunteers? (Message 1870246)
Posted 31 May 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I believe someone made a statement regarding the volume of Breakthrough Listen initiative data, the current method of processing, and number of volunteer systems. To the effect that backlog would occur.

Personally I don't see a backlog of data as a problem unless storing the data sets becomes an issue.
It wasn't that long ago that we were processing the data faster than it could be collected. So they had turned the application scanning resolution to the max. Which let data be analyzed with more detail.
However a few years later an issue of processing data faster than it could be delivered from the telescope occurred.
I seem to recall that there was a period of 30 or 60 days in an October or November time frame that no new data was being split.

Given a large portion of the money over 10 years for Breakthrough Listen is going towards the telescope time.
Time will be required to analyze the data unless funding is reorganized or another initiative is made to fund the backend/processing of the data.
244) Message boards : Number crunching : What is a "compute unit"? Context, I was looking at an individual result (Message 1870236)
Posted 31 May 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I guess you could think of the compute units (aka SMs, SMXs, SMMs) as engines and the CUDA cores as the cylinders.
So a GTX 750 TI would have 5 engines with 128 cylinders. If that analogy makes sense?

In the past the number of CUDA cores per compute unit has varied from 128 or 192, but it seems for the past few generations they have been sticking with 128.

For comparison Radeon GPUs normally have 64 cores per compute unit.
245) Message boards : Number crunching : Do we have more data than volunteers? (Message 1870133)
Posted 29 May 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
SETI@home has been at ~150,000 active users for many years.
I'd say the largest drop came from the change from SETI@home classic to the BOINC platform.
My team had hundreds of active users in the classic days. Less than 50 changed over to BOINC and only 13 are active today.
246) Message boards : Number crunching : Founder Request not working! (Message 1869992)
Posted 28 May 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
So you are saying that you have twice waited the 60, or 90, days. Then after the current founder didn't respond you were unable to proceed in the process?
247) Message boards : Number crunching : PM System NOT Working??? (Message 1869724)
Posted 27 May 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
My last PMs on the 8th and 9th seems to be working OK.
Also I normally try to remember to include myself when I reply to PMs. That way I'll Know if I actually replied or not.
248) Message boards : Number crunching : AMD's Upcoming Ryzen R9 "Threadripper" 16-core, 32-thread CPU (Message 1869504)
Posted 26 May 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Oh AMD Marketing, how often I face palm at your idiocy. First confusing everyone over the core count of the Bulldozer family. And now the wacky naming conventions , "Infinity Fabric", "Threadripper", "Epyc". Someone please stop them.

I can only guess the reason they started using RX on the 400 series Radeon GPUs was their plan to use R3, R5, & R7 on their CPUs. It looks like they will be using RX for all of the 500 series GPUs this go around.
Perhaps the Ryzen Threadripper label is meant to be analogous to the Extreme Edition label Intel uses?
249) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (106) Server Problems? (Message 1869426)
Posted 25 May 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

How do you pull up the entire list? When I click it I get the host he referenced, but didn't see a way to show the entire list of hosts. Thanks!

Do you mean the top host list, https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/top_hosts.php?

[edit] Currently that rig is in 79th spot. ;-)

Cheers.

Also, if you wish to check by total credit instead of by RAC, when on the next 20 page change the "expavg" part of the url to "total". ;-)

Cheers.

Personally I just click on the Total credit link in the header...
250) Message boards : Number crunching : Intel units compelting faster than AMD? (Message 1869214)
Posted 25 May 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
As per : https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/results.php?hostid=8101008

From a performance standpoint the AMD card should just be faster yet the Intel units are completing about 3 times faster?

I don't know which specific GPU you have, but your results list that it is in the OIand GPU family.
Some numbers to consider for a performance comparison.
A Radeon R7 240 @ 730MHz is good for 467GFLOPs
The Intel HD 4600 @ 1250MHz is good for 400GFLOPs

For the OpenCL GPU apps to work most effectively they need need to have a CPU core free. Are you currently reserving any CPU cores or is the CPU normally fully loaded?
The iGPU and Radeon might be able to share a single CPU core.
251) Message boards : Number crunching : Welcome to the 18 Year Club! (Message 1869207)
Posted 25 May 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Nine days late is better than never. :^) This project certainly keeps me busy.

I find it doesn't keep me so busy, but my computers are another story...
252) Message boards : Number crunching : 2GB AMD R7 250X on 6-core FX processor optimization for Lunatics (Message 1867798)
Posted 17 May 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hi, R7 250X is a simple rebranding name of the older HD7770 graphic card ;)

It's more of a rebranded and overclocked 7720 with 384 shaders.
It looks like it continues to be used in the current generation as the the Radeon 530.
253) Message boards : Number crunching : My Computer Builds And Other Projects (Message 1867625)
Posted 17 May 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
if you're going to jam five radiators in most cases you're going to have hoses in three different directions along with the clashing airflow just to have that one display window

with an x9 you can put everything up top and do whatever you want with the front or the bottom

Having a X9 myself I would probably choose to go with a dual stacked X5 setup for a large multi GPU setup.
254) Message boards : Number crunching : Linux CUDA 'Special' App finally available, featuring Low CPU use (Message 1867557)
Posted 16 May 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
One thing that I've been wondering is how I can obtain additional tasks. I've noticed that many of the top hosts have hundreds or thousands more "In Progress" tasks than I can ever seem to get (I max out at 500 tasks). Is there some type of trick I'm missing? I'll run out of all tasks; gpu and cpu within hours of the Tuesday maintenance windows.
There's one approach to the problem with the Tuesday outages draining work buffers that I don't think has really been discussed much. That's simply to make use of a dual-boot setup, with what is essentially two hosts sharing the same hardware. When the primary host runs dry (or gets close to it), just boot over to the other one and, assuming a sufficient work buffer was in place before the outage, keep on crunching. The credits and RAC obviously get assigned to the second host, but more S@h work gets squeezed out of the same physical box.

Last Tuesday was the first outage where I was running Linux and a Special App on one of my boxes, and the first one where I ran through nearly all 400 of its GPU tasks. When it got near the end, I just switched back to Windows for the remaining hours, since I had maintained a limited work buffer there. I expect to do the same tomorrow, with two boxes this time.

I imagine such an approach could also work with a VM setup, but I have no experience in that arena.

Or just run another instance of BOINC. It is quite a bit less work.
255) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (106) Server Problems? (Message 1867528)
Posted 15 May 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Tnx :-) I'm not worried about it, as in all cases at least one wingman has returned the same result. There are not many of them...I usually have about 10 that come and go, it is just that they've doubled in the last couple of days.

Sometimes I'll see a spike in inconclusive tasks but it always turns out to a random host trashing tasks.
You might have been paired with a bad wingmate for several tasks.
256) Message boards : Number crunching : BOINC started crashing W10 (Message 1867375)
Posted 15 May 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Sorry guys. It is not the machine ID 6683283, i5-750 with the Visiontek 4870, it is the machine ID 7785479, the one with the 7870 and the R9-380. It has the specs of my signature i7-6700K etc......
It is driver package 17.4.3 dd. 2017-04-29

Brett

I can give that configuration a try and see if I get the same weirdness.

After using DDU to remove the old driver and installing 17.4.3 with my R9 390x I had a few BSODs before I ever had the chance to run BOINC.
I've gone back to 15.12 which I was using previously.
257) Message boards : Number crunching : RX 480 OpenCL Question (Message 1867171)
Posted 13 May 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Arg, this drives me crazy:

https://1drv.ms/i/s!ArIvftV8roEagQvCbSdMgpMPz4ex

Host's daily average has gone from 380,000 per day to over 500,000 per day, in two days, and I don't know which change or combination of changes to the system have caused it.

With my R9 390x fully tweaked it was good for ~5,000,000 RAC on Collatz. I haven't run Collatz in about a year. So that may no longer be accurate.
258) Message boards : Number crunching : BOINC started crashing W10 (Message 1867150)
Posted 13 May 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Sorry guys. It is not the machine ID 6683283, i5-750 with the Visiontek 4870, it is the machine ID 7785479, the one with the 7870 and the R9-380. It has the specs of my signature i7-6700K etc......
It is driver package 17.4.3 dd. 2017-04-29

Brett

I can give that configuration a try and see if I get the same weirdness.
259) Message boards : Number crunching : BOINC started crashing W10 (Message 1867059)
Posted 13 May 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I'm not sure which driver you are actually using. The latest driver package for Windows 10 is 17.5.1 released on 2017-05-04, but since the end of 2015 only GCN GPUs have been supported "officially". The .inf shows several non GCN GPUs still in there.
The last official release for the Radeon HD 4000 series was the 13.1 legacy driver for Windows 8.

Whatever driver you are using has the same OpenCL and CAL driver as the 13.1 legacy driver. Which actually dates back to mid 2012.
Driver version:	CAL 1.4.1734
Version:	OpenCL 1.0 AMD-APP (937.2)

If the driver you are using has been updated and is using the older OpenCL components that could be a problem.
It used to be a common source of issues in the past. Where the main driver would get updated but the OpenCL and CAL components would not.
Which would result in errored tasks or driver crashes.
Since the HD4000 series only supports OpenCL 1.0 that may also be a factor.

My HD 4870 has been sitting on a shelf for while but I could try putting it in my i7-860 and installing Windows 10 for comparison.
260) Message boards : Number crunching : Welcome to the 18 Year Club! (Message 1866805)
Posted 11 May 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have to wait until 6th Dec this year, so until then... :)

I just realized that this will be my 18th year for SETI@home!

Welcome to the 17 Year Club!
Welcome to the 16 Year Club!
Welcome to the 15 Year Club!
Welcome to the 14 Year Club!
Welcome to the 13 Year Club!
Welcome to the 12 Year Club!
Welcome to the 11 Year Club!
Welcome to the 10 Year Club!
Welcome to the 9 Year Club!
Welcome to the 8 Year Club!
Welcome to the 7 Year Club!

Since I had an earlier account I abandoned in the SETI@home classic days.
I've taken to just going by the number of year rather than the sign up date of this account.
261) Message boards : Number crunching : Your thoughts/opinions on what SETI@home needs to succeed (Message 1866323)
Posted 9 May 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
See that they are using Seagate Red 5TB drives.


I thought it was only the WD NAS drives that had those colour codes... I would think they would use WDs as well as Seagates aren't as reliable.

Seems they are actually using Toshiba drives. http://i.imgur.com/JCdsbE3.png
262) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (105) Server Problems? (Message 1866089)
Posted 7 May 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
They also advise to block ports 16992 and 169923, if you don't use the function, as these are used to reach the AMT services.

Just curious, are these ports open by default, or do they have to be configured to be open on your system?

And, Ruh Roh...

Any OS firewall settings would not be relevant. As the management software runs in its own IP stack.
The default configuration for any home/business internet router I've come across is all ports closed. You can use one of the public internet port scan tools to see if you have anything open that you don't know about.
In a business environment I've mostly seen this features set on a different vlan than the rest of the network. That way two addresses don't have to be allocated for each host on the same network.

It should also be noted that the MB in addition to the CPU needs to support the feature.
For desktop system the feature is generally limited to the higher end Qx7 chipsets. Q57, Q67, Q77, Q87 Q97, Q170, Q270, and such.
263) Message boards : Number crunching : Cpu crunching speeds Intel5-2400 vs Xeon W3565? Both just about 3 Ghz. (Message 1865113)
Posted 1 May 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The Xeon W3565 is a rebadged i7-965. So it isn't that surprising the i5-2400 would be faster. The i7-860 I have is a bit faster that the i7-900 of the same speed. Despite only have two memory channels vs the i7-900's three. Each generation, or half generation drive the performance up bit by bit.
264) Message boards : News : Free Speech and SETI@home (Message 1864540)
Posted 29 Apr 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have had no idea anything was going on in the left coast. Plenty of nonsense here on the other one to deal with recently.

I'm just here to crunch numbers and chew bubble gum... and I'm all out of bubble gum.
Which is why I pretty much stick to Number crunching and the News sections.
265) Message boards : Number crunching : Thoughts? New 1080Ti designs (Message 1863588)
Posted 25 Apr 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Slightly OT to the orig question, but just took a look at EVGA's site on the 1080Ti's, and noticed that they have a number of varieties, 2 of which look interesting to me. One is the http://www.evga.com/products/product.aspx?pn=11G-P4-6696-KR and the other is the http://www.evga.com/products/product.aspx?pn=11G-P4-6696-KR and the main difference that I could tell looking on the main 1080Ti page was one had Gaming in it's name and the other had Elite. Anyone know what the difference might be? It does say Elite Member exclusive, so it's just a prestige thing? Sheesh.

I don't believe the choice of colors for the SC2 and FTW3 versions will make them go any faster, but a friend of mine swore that painting racing stripes on his Pinto was good for at least 10HP.
266) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (105) Server Problems? (Message 1863030)
Posted 22 Apr 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
User ID 39087
SETI@home member since 18 Feb 2002

Feb 2002 is not a newbie. The in tasks progress another story.

OMG...how is that even possible ?

The easiest way to avoid the limits is to have the BOINC client not report how many tasks it has on hand.
267) Message boards : Number crunching : RX 480 OpenCL Question (Message 1863029)
Posted 22 Apr 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Latest parameters:

-v 1 -pref_wg_size 256 -sbs 1408 -hp -instances_per_device 2 -no_cpu_lock -high_perf -no_use_sleep -tune 1 256 1 1 -period_iterations_num 9 -tt 400 -spike_fft_thresh 4096 -oclfft_tune_gr 256 -oclfft_tune_lr 16 -oclfft_tune_wg 256 -oclfft_tune_ls 2048 -oclfft_tune_bn 64 -oclfft_tune_cw 64

A strange anomaly has appeared, BOINC is now reporting this:

4/22/2017 12:02:00 AM | | OpenCL: AMD/ATI GPU 0: Radeon (TM) RX 480 Graphics (driver version 2348.3, device version OpenCL 2.0 AMD-APP (2348.3), 7536MB, 7536MB available, 5949 GFLOPS peak)
4/22/2017 12:02:00 AM | | [coproc] No NVIDIA library found
4/22/2017 12:02:00 AM | | [coproc] calInit() returned 1
4/22/2017 12:02:00 AM | | [coproc] clGetDeviceInfo failed to get CL_DEVICE_SIMD_PER_COMPUTE_UNIT_AMD for device 0

For some reason, I have lost 656MB. Upgraded driver from 17.4.1 to 17.4.3. but the OpenCL driver version is the same in both.

I have seen the amount of memory reported by BOINC change with the driver several times over the years.
Since it didn't seem to actually effect anything I didn't worry about it.
268) Message boards : Number crunching : Welcome to the 18 Year Club! (Message 1862566)
Posted 20 Apr 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I just realized that this will be my 18th year for SETI@home!

Welcome to the 17 Year Club!
Welcome to the 16 Year Club!
Welcome to the 15 Year Club!
Welcome to the 14 Year Club!
Welcome to the 13 Year Club!
Welcome to the 12 Year Club!
Welcome to the 11 Year Club!
Welcome to the 10 Year Club!
Welcome to the 9 Year Club!
Welcome to the 8 Year Club!
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269) Message boards : Number crunching : RX 480 OpenCL Question (Message 1862366)
Posted 19 Apr 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hello. I am trying to figure out, where to put all those parameters. boinc, boinccmd and boincmgr does not accept those parameters.
Also, is this for windows or linux?

Trying to use my RX 480 on ubuntu linux (opencl is working also), the log says "Requesting new tasks for CPU and AMD/ATI GPU", but i only get cpu tasks.

As per ReadMe_MultiBeam_OpenCL.txt
Command line switches can be used either in app_info.xml or mb_cmdline.txt.
Params in mb_cmdline*.txt will override switches in <cmdline> tag of app_info.xml.

I believe it is the same for both Windows and Linux.
270) Message boards : Number crunching : Microsoft Monthly Rollups (Message 1862282)
Posted 19 Apr 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Unofficial Windows 7/8.1 update workaround posted to GitHub

GitHub user Zeffy has created a patch that removes a limitation that Microsoft imposed on users of 7th generation processors, a limit that prevents users from receiving Windows updates if they still use Windows 7 and 8.1.

This limitation was delivered through Windows Update KB4012218 (March 2017 Patch Tuesday) and has made many owners of Intel Kaby Lake and AMD Bristol Ridge CPUs very angry last week, as they weren't able to install any Windows updates.


There is a link to the GitHub scripts in the article. Use at own risk. :^)

Caveat:

"The only downside of these solutions is you have to apply a new patch whenever wuaueng.dll gets updated," says Zeffy in his GitHub repo README. Fortunately, the entire task doesn't take long to complete.

Sounds like removing KB4012218 would be a better option.
271) Message boards : Number crunching : Microsoft Monthly Rollups (Message 1861933)
Posted 16 Apr 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
You can always manually download updates from http://catalog.update.microsoft.com

To my knowledge to be able to download updates manually you have to know the update number starting with KB

You just type what you are looking for into the search box. Give this a try: Windows 7 Rollup 2017
272) Message boards : Number crunching : Why are the benchmark results under Ubuntu/linux are nearby doubled ? (Message 1861908)
Posted 16 Apr 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hey, i am running this host on Beta:

https://setiweb.ssl.berkeley.edu/beta/show_host_detail.php?hostid=82307

Now watch this under Windows 10...unbelievable...

https://setiweb.ssl.berkeley.edu/beta/show_host_detail.php?hostid=81991

Never noticed this before, I'll never crunch under windows again...

Greetings.

Can be closed must have been a database error, i am clueless !?

I guess you are referring to the benchmarks? Which are mostly meaningless.
The benchmark values can vary greatly just between versions of BOINC.
273) Message boards : Number crunching : Microsoft Monthly Rollups (Message 1861906)
Posted 16 Apr 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
You can always manually download updates from http://catalog.update.microsoft.com

In the case of the Kaby Lake and Ryzen CPUs also not, because these files are *.msu files, which are blocked. As I read elsewhere, it may be possible to manually add *.cab files via DISM, but that is very circuitous.

I have only ever downloaded the .exe packages from there.
I guess as long as there are other users that can provide the static path to the updates they could be downloaded by anyone.
274) Message boards : Number crunching : RX 480 OpenCL Question (Message 1861762)
Posted 16 Apr 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
With my 8GB R9 390x I am currently using -sbs 2048 with no issues.
I did go as high as -sbs 3072 without any issues, but there were no apparent gains after 2048.
When I tried -sbs 4096 the app failed to start. Likely because it is only a 32-bit app.
275) Message boards : Number crunching : Linux SETI on a flash drive, which distro? (Message 1861756)
Posted 16 Apr 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Ok, thanks Brent, I'll give your thread a read thru, and hopefully in the next week or so get it together. I'll post questions if I come into any difficulties. Oh, one question, I really didn't like the Unity interface, and just read on Wiki that last week Canonical said that with release 18.04 they are dumping it, so is one version you mentioned have a less unity looking interface than the other? I know some distros really try to give the Windoze interface experience, Zorin is one that comes to mind if you've possibly heard of it. Well, now to find a little time to put it together and give it a test.

Just use Mint instead of Ubuntu. Mint has the Cinnamon desktop which is more "Windows style".

I am just going to assume that is what what whole "cinnamon challenge" thing is all about. :P

At my last workplace we were using Red Hat and then Fedora as our Linux flavor.
I seem to recall Fedora being very windows like with some kind of updater and driver packages having some kind of GUI interface.
However I believe they were on Release 17 when I last used it.
276) Message boards : Number crunching : Microsoft Monthly Rollups (Message 1861753)
Posted 16 Apr 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I`m very happy we have Chip.de which provides a package of important updates for win 7 every once in a while.
M$ is on a good way to..................

You can always manually download updates from http://catalog.update.microsoft.com
277) Message boards : Number crunching : Water cooling the Breakthrough Listen CPUs and GPUs (Message 1861751)
Posted 15 Apr 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
This would even make Petri drool :P
Circumsised GTX 1080s Part of an interesting discussion on the limitation of the number of GPUs a system can handle.
Interesting, I have my Dual Xeon system with 7 or 8 GPU's installed in it, running on PCI-E-USB adapters, and couldn't get the system to recognize more than I believe either 5 or 6 video cards. The frustrating thing is, it has 10 8x PCI-E slots, and my original plan was to try and run 10 cards. Something about not enough memory space or something with the motherboard, to which I called BS because it is designed with 10 slots, they should all be able to be filled and work. But, after talking with the support engineer at Supermicro, they came to the conclusion that there was nothing they could to to make it work. Wasn't happy, that was an expensive board/CPU combo, which left a lot of performance on the table unutilized.

If you were to bung in a bunch of NIC, Fibre Channel, or SAS controllers you could use all of the slots no problem. Given they don't typically have several GB of memory that needs to be mapped in the system.
278) Message boards : Number crunching : Microsoft Monthly Rollups (Message 1861535)
Posted 15 Apr 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
If one looks, there are still brand new copies of Win 7 Pro x64 floating around on ebay.

You can still buy a new computer with Windows 7 installed as well.
279) Message boards : Number crunching : ATI Radeon HD 4350 can not get WU (Message 1861533)
Posted 15 Apr 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Radeon HD 4000 series only had Beta OpenCL support.
Finding a Windows 10 driver with OpenCL support for HD 4000 series may be an only issue.
280) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (105) Server Problems? (Message 1861134)
Posted 12 Apr 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
What about
nslookup setiboinc.ssl.berkeley.edu
.. and goggle.com
Resolves to an IP?

Google is fine, but
*** can't find setiboinc.ssl.berkeley.edu: Server failed

Looks like your ISP doesn't have a record for it anymore.
Name: setiboinc.ssl.berkeley.edu
Address: 208.68.240.126

When I looked up 208.68.240.126
synergy.ssl.berkeley.edu was returned

That does look like the host name of the server.
scheduling server	synergy
scheduler process	synergy
feeder			synergy

However since the project doesn't use server host names to communicate with you might want to temporarily add entries to your local host file.
208.68.240.110 setiathome.berkeley.edu
208.68.240.126 setiboinc.ssl.berkeley.edu
208.68.240.118 setiboincdata.ssl.berkeley.edu
208.68.240.119 boinc2.ssl.berkeley.edu
208.68.240.127 boinc2.ssl.berkeley.edu

I use google, 8.8.8.8, for my primary DNS in my router and my ISP DNS as secondary.
281) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (105) Server Problems? (Message 1861129)
Posted 12 Apr 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
What about
nslookup setiboinc.ssl.berkeley.edu
.. and goggle.com
Resolves to an IP?

Google is fine, but
*** can't find setiboinc.ssl.berkeley.edu: Server failed

Looks like your ISP doesn't have a record for it anymore.
Name: setiboinc.ssl.berkeley.edu
Address: 208.68.240.126
282) Message boards : Number crunching : master_setiathome.berkeley.edu.xml corrupt? (Message 1860976)
Posted 12 Apr 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
There was some discussion on the BOINC message board about campus network maintenance that is occurring this week as a possible cause for the servers being unreachable.
283) Message boards : Number crunching : Water cooling the Breakthrough Listen CPUs and GPUs (Message 1860871)
Posted 11 Apr 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
This would even make Petri drool :P
Circumsised GTX 1080s Part of an interesting discussion on the limitation of the number of GPUs a system can handle.

It looks like they are stuffing all of that into a Thermaltake Core X9 case.
Which I have one of & when it arrived I thought someone left a fridge on my doorstep.
284) Message boards : Number crunching : Please help me with a new machine build (Message 1860868)
Posted 11 Apr 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
OK, so I did a little research on dual channel RAM and it seems that one way to get a viable 24 GB solution would be:

2 of these: (2 x 8 GB)
https://playit.de/crucial-ballistix-sport-lt-udimm-8gb-ddr4-2400-cl16.html

and this dual channel kit (2 x 4 GB):
https://www.cyberport.at/form/?DEEP=2410-16U&APID=294&STOREID=7

If installed correctly (12 GB in one channel and 12 GB in the other), this should give full speed across all of the 24 GB, right?

The math would work out as 16 Gb in one channel and 8Gb in the other channel. Still it is never a good idea to mix memory capacities. All the same type in either one channel, dual channel or quad channel. Since Kaby Lake is dual channel only, either go with two sticks or 4 sticks of the same memory density. That means 2 X 16 GB sticks or 4 x 8 GB sitcks for 32 GB total. Or just go for a total of 16GB. I have never been able to figure out just why anyone needs 32 GB of memory unless it is a server class machine and that would be on the low end of memory. I have no familiarity with any typical desktop or productivity applications that use that much memory. BOINC normally uses less than 2 GB of memory. I believe the recommended minimum for Windows is 4 GB and at least 8 GB preferred. 16 GB seems to be the common capacity for Windows of any modern flavor.


. . Sorry but that is not the way I understand it (see diagram). Same all round is fine, but his way works AOK. In my Core2 Duo I have 2 x 2Gb and 2 x 1GB and running just fine thank you very much. The most critical consideration is that each bank has totally coherent ram, same size, same speed, same latency, preferably same manufacturer. But the next priority is to have the same speed and latency across all banks.

			Chan 0			Chan 1

	Bank 0		 _________		 _________
			|	  | 	        |         |
               Slot 0   |__8GB____|    Slot 2   |__8 GB___|

	Bank 1           _________               _________
		        |         |             |         |
	       Slot1    |__4GB____|    Slot 3   |__4 GB___|

                           12 GB                   12 GB



I would have modified the diagram slightly with the labels
Bank0 = 16GB
Bank1 = 8GB
Since it is less common to provide a total for each channel.
285) Message boards : Number crunching : Please help me with a new machine build (Message 1860860)
Posted 11 Apr 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
OK, so I did a little research on dual channel RAM and it seems that one way to get a viable 24 GB solution would be:

2 of these: (2 x 8 GB)
https://playit.de/crucial-ballistix-sport-lt-udimm-8gb-ddr4-2400-cl16.html

and this dual channel kit (2 x 4 GB):
https://www.cyberport.at/form/?DEEP=2410-16U&APID=294&STOREID=7

If installed correctly (12 GB in one channel and 12 GB in the other), this should give full speed across all of the 24 GB, right?

The math would work out as 16 Gb in one channel and 8Gb in the other channel. Still it is never a good idea to mix memory capacities. All the same type in either one channel, dual channel or quad channel. Since Kaby Lake is dual channel only, either go with two sticks or 4 sticks of the same memory density. That means 2 X 16 GB sticks or 4 x 8 GB sitcks for 32 GB total. Or just go for a total of 16GB. I have never been able to figure out just why anyone needs 32 GB of memory unless it is a server class machine and that would be on the low end of memory. I have no familiarity with any typical desktop or productivity applications that use that much memory. BOINC normally uses less than 2 GB of memory. I believe the recommended minimum for Windows is 4 GB and at least 8 GB preferred. 16 GB seems to be the common capacity for Windows of any modern flavor.


If he puts a 4Gb and 8GB stick in each channel there's no problem here. 12GB in each channel. I've seen people make the claim that it's not a good idea to mix different sticks in the same channel but I've never seen any evidence that this causes problems. Also even if he did it "wrong" and put the two 8GB sticks in the first channel slots and the two 4GB sticks in the second channel slot it would operate in flex mode and he would get dual channel for the first 8GB in each channel and then single channel speed for the final 8GB in the first channel.

http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/boards-and-kits/000005657.html#flex

The same article shows configuration for best performance under Dual-channel with four DIMMs.



Where the first group is populated with one size and the second group is populated with another size.
In Intel's example they used a pair of 4GB and 2GB DIMMs for 12GB.

My personal preference would be to go with 32GB (2x16GB DDR4-2400). That leaves the system open to be maxed at 64GB later if need be.
Going with 4x8GB could be more a more cost effective way to run DDR4-2400 over DDR4-2133.


For the CPU cooler the stock Intel ones are not ideal for 24/7 crunching. The environment the machine operates in is really the deciding factor. The cooler can always be upgraded later if required.
286) Message boards : Number crunching : Statistics (Message 1860813)
Posted 10 Apr 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Could someone point me to a thread that explains how the "statistics" tab of the Bonic relates to the Work Unit put through / day? When it talks about "average units / host" is that per day or per week?

I think the numbers it is posting are the results of my "verified credits" per task? Over how long a period?

I think I understand, but I would like to review the details

Thanks,
Tom Miller

Unless you have modified save_stats_days in a cc_config.xml the default period is 30 days.
The days should be listed along the bottom of the graph.

The graph is generated from each projects statistics_PROJECT.xml file.
287) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (105) Server Problems? (Message 1860346)
Posted 8 Apr 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Web site and forums behaving badly at the moment.
Slow to respond, and other times not even responding at all.

EDIT- just had a look in my Manager's Event log & a few Scheduler errors (Couldn't connect to server) are showing there.

In scanning my stdoutdae.txt I do see a slight increase in the number of scheduler failures over the course of this past week.
Project details for: SETI@home including all dates
Scheduler Requests: 4090
Scheduler Success: 99 %, Count: 4062
Scheduler Failure: 0 %, Count: 28 (Total)
Scheduler Failure: 0 % of total, Count: 24 (Couldn't connect to server)
Scheduler Failure: 0 % of total, Count: 3 (HTTP service unavailable)
Scheduler Failure: 0 % of total, Count: 0 (HTTP internal server error)
Scheduler Failure: 0 % of total, Count: 1 (Failure when receiving data from the peer)
Scheduler Failure: 0 % of total, Count: 0 (Timeout was reached)
Scheduler Timeout: 0 % of failures

Project details for: SETI@home including 08-Apr-2017
Scheduler Requests: 217
Scheduler Success: 98 %, Count: 214
Scheduler Failure: 1 %, Count: 3 (Total)
Scheduler Failure: 1 % of total, Count: 3 (Couldn't connect to server)

Project details for: SETI@home including 07-Apr-2017
Scheduler Requests: 480
Scheduler Success: 99 %, Count: 479
Scheduler Failure: 0 %, Count: 1 (Total)
Scheduler Failure: 0 % of total, Count: 1 (Couldn't connect to server)

Project details for: SETI@home including 06-Apr-2017
Scheduler Requests: 479
Scheduler Success: 99 %, Count: 476
Scheduler Failure: 0 %, Count: 3 (Total)
Scheduler Failure: 0 % of total, Count: 2 (Couldn't connect to server)
Scheduler Failure: 0 % of total, Count: 1 (HTTP service unavailable)

Project details for: SETI@home including 05-Apr-2017
Scheduler Requests: 478
Scheduler Success: 99 %, Count: 474
Scheduler Failure: 0 %, Count: 4 (Total)
Scheduler Failure: 0 % of total, Count: 2 (Couldn't connect to server)
Scheduler Failure: 0 % of total, Count: 2 (HTTP service unavailable)

Project details for: SETI@home including 04-Apr-2017
Scheduler Requests: 381
Scheduler Success: 99 %, Count: 379
Scheduler Failure: 0 %, Count: 2 (Total)
Scheduler Failure: 0 % of total, Count: 2 (Couldn't connect to server)

Project details for: SETI@home including 03-Apr-2017
Scheduler Requests: 480
Scheduler Success: 99 %, Count: 476
Scheduler Failure: 0 %, Count: 4 (Total)
Scheduler Failure: 0 % of total, Count: 4 (Couldn't connect to server)

Project details for: SETI@home including 02-Apr-2017
Scheduler Requests: 480
Scheduler Success: 100 %, Count: 480
Scheduler Failure: 0 %, Count: 0 (Total)
288) Message boards : Number crunching : W 10 CPU core temp (Message 1859737)
Posted 6 Apr 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
On my Windows 10 notebook HWInfo & HWMonitor seem to be working fine with the i7-6700HQ.

Also I'm not up to date with the latest version. Currently I have:
HWInfo 5.38-3000
HWMonitor 1.27

HWinfo64 is up to 5.50-3103 currently. Most of the latest updates are to properly handle Ryzen.

Yeah, I grabbed the latest 5.5-3130 after posting, but I wanted to indicate that the older version seem to be working just fine with the same generation CPU & OS.
289) Message boards : Number crunching : W 10 CPU core temp (Message 1859735)
Posted 6 Apr 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
On my Windows 10 notebook HWInfo & HWMonitor seem to be working fine with the i7-6700HQ.

Also I'm not up to date with the latest version. Currently I have:
HWInfo 5.38-3000
HWMonitor 1.27
290) Message boards : Number crunching : Which gets filled first after an outage ..... CPU or GPU tasks? (Message 1859205)
Posted 2 Apr 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
since last outage i got cpu and gpu-tasks for the Nvidia-adapter but none still for the ATI ... the ATI is about 10x faster than the Nvidia. should i reinstall the client ?
Message says request tasks for Nvidia and ATI but WU´s send are allways only for Nvidia. Cant find the error. Drivers ect are all up to date.

Someone had an issue some time ago. When they had no GPU tasks their CPU cache would fill to the limit and then they would get the "This computer has reached a limit on tasks in progress" message.
They had to disable requesting CPU until GPU tasks started to download. Then they could reenable requesting CPU tasks.
291) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (105) Server Problems? (Message 1858893)
Posted 1 Apr 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Scheduler errors just about cleared up.
Now getting work on some requests.

Looking over my logs I didn't have very many failures and my caches filled up pretty quickly.

Project details for: SETI@home including all dates
Scheduler Requests: 701
Scheduler Success: 98 %, Count: 690
Scheduler Failure: 1 %, Count: 11 (Total)
Scheduler Failure: 1 % of total, Count: 10 (Couldn't connect to server)
Scheduler Failure: 0 % of total, Count: 0 (HTTP service unavailable)
Scheduler Failure: 0 % of total, Count: 0 (HTTP internal server error)
Scheduler Failure: 0 % of total, Count: 1 (Failure when receiving data from the peer)
Scheduler Failure: 0 % of total, Count: 0 (Timeout was reached)
Scheduler Timeout: 0 % of failures

Project details for: SETI@home including 01-Apr-2017
Scheduler Requests: 78
Scheduler Success: 88 %, Count: 69
Scheduler Failure: 11 %, Count: 9 (Total)
Scheduler Failure: 10 % of total, Count: 8 (Couldn't connect to server)
Scheduler Failure: 1 % of total, Count: 1 (Failure when receiving data from the peer)

Project details for: SETI@home including 31-Mar-2017
Scheduler Requests: 20
Scheduler Success: 90 %, Count: 18
Scheduler Failure: 10 %, Count: 2 (Total)
Scheduler Failure: 10 % of total, Count: 2 (Couldn't connect to server)
292) Message boards : News : We're back online (Message 1858851)
Posted 1 Apr 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
And with some incredible luck we didn't lose any entries in the pulse signal table at all.

Whew!

It is always great news when there turns out to be no data loss.
Thank you guys for your dedication and keeping us up to date.
293) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (105) Server Problems? (Message 1858847)
Posted 1 Apr 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Aye. Extended outage = extended recovery time.
294) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (105) Server Problems? (Message 1858843)
Posted 1 Apr 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
It looks like we are back in business!
3/31/2017 11:39:48 PM	SETI@home	Reporting 100 completed tasks
3/31/2017 11:39:48 PM	SETI@home	Requesting new tasks for ATI GPU
3/31/2017 11:39:53 PM	SETI@home	Scheduler request completed: got 1 new tasks
295) Message boards : Number crunching : Applications and Console Window Host (Message 1858497)
Posted 31 Mar 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hi all,
Just realized that I have one instance of conhost.exe running for each task slot.
With 5 CPU tasks and 2 GPU tasks running, there are 7 instances of conhost.exe. Is this normal ?
I am running the stock apps :
setiathome_8.05_windows_x86_64.exe
setiathome_8.22_windows_intelx86_opencl_nvidia_SoG.exe

...Grete...

It would be considered normal for most systems.
There are changes that can be made to the OS so it doesn't do that, but that would disable pretty much all of the "pretty" GUI features. Which may or may not be desired.
296) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (105) Server Problems? (Message 1857801)
Posted 27 Mar 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Use_sleep with a 1080?? I would drop that and use -hp instead. You have to remember that a 5% increase in GPU times will be more than your entire CPU can do for RAC.

EDIT: And I would update to r3584 as well.


1) I am running dual 8 core E5-2670s, so 32 threads. Considering the GPU threads, actually running 24 or 25 CPU threads on my 2 main crunchers, and they come close to ~1 GPU. Or at least not completely left in the dust like a desktop CPU would be.

2) As far as R3584 goes, I am loathe to do anything not in stock or Lunatics, since it is so easy to screw up the app_info.

3) use_sleep seems to work fine for me, as I mentioned above.

The current stock NV & ATI apps are r3584.
297) Message boards : Number crunching : Anything relating to AstroPulse tasks (Message 1857629)
Posted 25 Mar 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
AP is dead and gone. Don't expect it to reurn in any big way, ever again.
Have you all forgotten the messages from DA, that this project is winding down?
Nebula is here to analyze the results we collected over the years, and then S@H as we know it will shut down.

There was rumor of running AP on the GBT data, but I don't know if that's going to end up happening. I haven't heard anything about it other than some that are in-the-know mentioning it kind of in-passing a while back.

I suspect new data from Arecibo is pretty much done and over though, but GBT seems like it's going to be around for a while. So.. there's no harm in going and checking all the Arecibo results since there's basically not going to be new results coming in anymore. That's my opinion.

I didn't get S@H is winding down/stopping in any way from the Nebula messages. Getting data from other observatories has been in the works for quite some time. I believe we had a donation drive to get some of the hardware to collect GBT data in 2013/2014ish. Breakthrough just seems to have given the funds to get the rest of the GBT recording stuff done.

I believe it was near the end of the summer, 2016, Eric stated something along the lines of they had a plan to look into splitting AP for the GBT data.
Since we haven't heard anything I would guess the plan to look into it is still in place.
If the time, money, and resources are in place I'm sure AP v8 will go into testing at Beta.
298) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (105) Server Problems? (Message 1857303)
Posted 24 Mar 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
According to IBM, Informix does have limits, so the question is: Has Seti reached those limits or will it ever reach those limits?

Informix limits

My brain want s to tell me that they are using something like version 10.
So that may or may not matter. It looks like the limits from 11.5 to 12 are pretty much the same.
299) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (105) Server Problems? (Message 1857204)
Posted 23 Mar 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The project has NEVER promised to keep us fed with work, they have ALWAYS told us to have standby projects to fall back onto in the event of (extended) outages.

But it would be nice if it were possible to carry at least 24 hours of work, even 48. The option is there in the settings- it would be appreciated if it were possible.
Why not raise the server side limits, but restrict all users to a maximum of 2 days cache, leaving more work available to faster crunchers to see them through these outages, but still limiting the load on the database?

If there is no data available to crunch, then there's no work.
But If there is work available, but the project has issues, it would be nice to be able to continue processing it.

It has been said that there will (eventually) be way more work than the present user base can process in a reasonable time, and more crunchers are needed. But it doesn't matter how many crunchers there are, if they can't process the work. And even if the servers spend most of a week down, if in their uptime people are able to get enough work to tide them through to the next uptime, people will continue to crunch.

Being able to have a 24 cache of SETI@home work would be nice.
I don't think a project could set a day cache max. Given that is a BOINC wide setting instead of a project setting. I don't doubt they would implement such a setting, but with the lack of BOINC development I don't expect anything like that to happen soon.
Doubling the current 100 CPU / 100 GPU*N limit would probably not be a great idea. Given we have been in the 5-6 million range of in progress fairly recently. Previously the db server was falling over when we were hitting ~10-11 million. I believe it was stated at the time that the server wasn't hitting a hardware limitation, but more of a software or database limitation.
At one time it was mentioned they were considering switching from the current infomatrix software, but that was some time ago. With Nebula I'm not sure how priorities may be heading now.
300) Message boards : Number crunching : Win10 -> Radeon HD 5xxx and HD 6xxx CRIMSON Drivers don´t use OpenCl ? Well not anymore (Message 1856830)
Posted 20 Mar 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
For sure, they might be work, but u have a lot of performance loss if u don't use the crimson drivers.

Try it under Win10.

I try not to use Win10 unless I am forced.
301) Message boards : Number crunching : Problem With New Machine on BoincStats 1.69 (Message 1856718)
Posted 20 Mar 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I found the problem - I had gotten the BOINC installer from elsewhere than SETI - though it was the correct version (7.6.33), it was 32bit, rather than 64bit, and was incompatible with BoincTasks 1.69.

When I installed it, BT found all the Tasks, etc. that it couldn't find before.

So all seems cool, for now!

Well that all makes more sense now. I was wondering what BOINCstats 1.69 was.
I still prefer BOINCview to watch over my systems. Plus it doesn't switch to the task view at random like BOINC tasks does.
302) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (105) Server Problems? (Message 1856635)
Posted 19 Mar 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Checking out Tasks and Settings taking ages to respond again, and the Replica is falling behind as well.

Looks like it is going for orbit
303) Message boards : Number crunching : 25% badge (Message 1856343)
Posted 18 Mar 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
. . When I select the project I just get stats for the project overall, nothing about my stats. ??

Stephen

<shrug>

I'm not sure why you would expect to see any information about your account when looking at the project stats.
The purpose of looking at the project stats was to get the current active number of participants. Which can be used to calculate where the borders for each of the RAC badges are at that point in time.

If you want to see your information on BOINCstats one of the many ways to get there is by using the links under Cross-project statistics from your account on each project.
304) Message boards : Number crunching : Asymetric "loads" on GTX 750Ti's (different brands) (Message 1856340)
Posted 18 Mar 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have been seeing some GPU tasks on my R9 390X and 750ti with larger CPU times as well. Roughly about twice the normal CPU time. I figured it had to do with the data in the tasks since the task run time was about the same as normal.
305) Message boards : Number crunching : Reprocessing (Message 1855946)
Posted 17 Mar 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
As the search did not generate satisfying results, I'm posting this question here:
At the moment, my machine is processing 2008 data and I've seen many times before that we're processing "old" data.
Question is: Is it really old data or are we reprocssing it. If so, for what specific reason (i.e. new algorithms etc.).

Would be very interested to broaden my knowledge.

Greetings,
Michael

This post from Eric probably has much of the information you are looking for.
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=78710#1752922
I'm sure if you want a more technical answer some of the developer guys can probably tell you more than you want to know about the code changes.
306) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (105) Server Problems? (Message 1855944)
Posted 17 Mar 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Otherwise, all the data-driven web pages would continue to run slow.

That's been the case for most of the last month or 2 anyway...

I have not seen the web pages running slow.
Are the people seeing the web pages being slow also the ones having issue keeping their cache filled?
307) Message boards : Number crunching : From FX to Ryzen (Message 1855854)
Posted 17 Mar 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Which one is the currently recommended optimized version for MB on Linux 64bit, http://lunatics.kwsn.info/index.php?action=downloads;cat=48 ?

Haven't done much SETI lately, but am right now trying to get an overview with which Intel CPUs my R7 @ 3.6GHz roughly compares with.

Thanks!

I'm not sure if anyone has done a comparison of the Linux apps yet.
I would probably start with the AVX app myself.
308) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (105) Server Problems? (Message 1855836)
Posted 16 Mar 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Seti is downloading a new executable ver. 8.05.
Does this mean we have to process 2008 *again*?
fk

I believe that is the new stock 64-bit windows app that has been under test at Beta.
309) Message boards : Number crunching : Win10 -> Radeon HD 5xxx and HD 6xxx CRIMSON Drivers don´t use OpenCl ? Well not anymore (Message 1855767)
Posted 16 Mar 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Since the release of Crimson drivers they have only officially supported GCN based GPUs.
The older Terascale based GPUs 15.12 is really the last driver to use. I've used the Windows 7 15.12 driver without problems in Windows 10 with my HD6870's.

I'm not sure if the Windows 10 version has OpenCL or not. It might be the same installer with a different name. I haven't checked.
http://support.amd.com/de-de/download/desktop/previous?os=Windows%2010%20-%2064
http://support.amd.com/de-de/download/desktop/previous?os=Windows%207%20-%2064
310) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (105) Server Problems? (Message 1855693)
Posted 16 Mar 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Some things not looking too good right now:
1) Replica DB offline,
2) AP work present but splitters not running,
3) Assimilators are down (due to 1 above, perhaps?)

Hopefully it's someone doing late work rather than a growing failure ...

Well the replica shows as disabled. Which is a better sign than not running.
There is a good chance that the loaded datasets have already been split for AP work. So i wouldn't get to excited about that.
311) Message boards : Number crunching : Are SoG harder to crunch for Nvidia ? (Message 1855455)
Posted 14 Mar 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
There is no such thing as a CUDA or SoG workunit. What you are seeing is that application that was assigned to the task when the host requested work.

The SoG application is based on OpenCL which requires a bit more CPU support than do the CUDA applications.
If you have been using the app_config.xml to run 2 tasks at a time then you could start by setting the CPU usage for one CPU per task.

Additionally the SoG has tuning parameters that cam be added to the mb commandline txt to adjust how it runs.
You should have a "ReadMe_MultiBeam_OpenCL_NV_SoG.txt" in your \projects\setiathome.berkeley.edu\ folder that will describe the parameters.

For my GTX 750 ti I run 2 at once with the SoG app and the performance is pretty near the same as the CUDA5 app.
Except for GBT VLAR tasks. Which the SoG application handles much better.
312) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (105) Server Problems? (Message 1855412)
Posted 14 Mar 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Looks like some new datasets have made their way in for splitting.

Just in time too I only have 599/600 MB tasks!


Braggart! LOL

Stephen

:-P

It looks like my statement was actually not true. I was only looking at my In progress MB tasks. As I wasn't expecting to have any AP tasks in progress, but I seem to have snagged one. I had nearly forgotten what they look like.
313) Message boards : Number crunching : CPU leaderboards (Message 1855403)
Posted 14 Mar 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
@ Gabriel Siegel:

Not only what you have noticed, but there are many instances of the same CPU being listed in two places. I counted 126 of these. For example,

line 6 (Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4790K CPU @ 4.00GHz [x86 Family 6 Model 60 Stepping 3] ) and
line 21 (Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4790K CPU @ 4.00GHz [Family 6 Model 60 Stepping 3] )

are the same CPU, but listed with slightly different specs (notice the "x86" in front of "Family").

I haven't found who/how to address such things since there is no contact info on the webpage.


. . I think that is the difference between users running a 32 bit OS versus a 64 bit OS. They identify differently, the lines with x86 in them are running 32 bit. Yet strangely they seem to outperform the same machines running on 64bit. All so counter-intuitive.

. . Also I think the strange values for number of cores is because some users run with hyperthreading off. So when you have 2,400 i7-6700K machines listed and 242 of them (not actual figures, just using them for example) are not running with HT and therefore reporting only 4 cores not 8, then the average will be an odd value like 7.52666. Sorry Hal but I don't think it is to do with the manager configuration to control the number of cores crunching. The benchmarks are run independently of that.

Stephen

:)

You are correct. In that changing "Use at most n% of the CPUs" will not change the number of reported processors by BOINC. However if you read my post I indicated using the <ncpus> value in the cc_config.xml. Which when modified will cause BOINC to report the number of processors you entered. So if you set a value such as <ncpus>100</ncpus> on your i5-6400 system then it would appear on the website and in the stats as:
GenuineIntel
Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-6400 CPU @ 2.70GHz [Family 6 Model 94 Stepping 3]
(100 processors)


I feel this image may explain what I was referring to regarding the "[x86 Family" processor information.
Additionally "Darwin" is how BOINC reports OS X.
314) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (105) Server Problems? (Message 1855395)
Posted 13 Mar 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Looks like some new datasets have made their way in for splitting.

Just in time too I only have 599/600 MB tasks!
315) Message boards : Number crunching : 25% badge (Message 1855386)
Posted 13 Mar 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Well you do have to select the project. Which requires you scroll down to where it says SETI@home and click on it.




Also the default BOINC RAC badges are per project. So I'm not sure why you would think it has anything to do with your BOINC wide stats.

Also "Accumulated more credit than %" would be irrelevant. Since that is total credit and the badges, once again, are based on RAC. If you pop over to your SETI@home Beta account. You will notice you don't have a badge there. Since your RAC is ~0.
316) Message boards : Number crunching : 25% badge (Message 1855330)
Posted 13 Mar 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have earned a 25% badge but I am not sure what it means. I am a member of a team. Does this mean I am among the top 25% in daily credit for the team or for the entire SETI project?


. . Go to your account page, click on "BOINCstats" or "BOINC Combined Statistics" and you will see lots of info about your "standing" amongst BOINC and SETI participants. But the short answer is option number 2, you are among the top 25% of all BOINC contributors. Don't puff your chest out too far though, most of the BOINC clients out there are either inactive or have tried it, didn't like it and then left. So top 25% sadly just translates to something like "you are one of the truly active BOINC members", but welcome to the club. :) About 70% of all listed hosts have a RAC below 10, so it's that top 30% or thereabouts that really matters :)

. . Have fun and keep crunching

Stephen

:)

I think you meant SETI@home contributors rather than BOINC contributors.
Since the badge is for RAC it only includes users "with recent credit". I don't recall what the server considers "with recent credit" off the top of my head, but it is documented somewhere.
Also for reference BOINCstats reports SETI@home Total users: 1,674,642, Active users: 141,863 (8.47%)
For 141863 active users the badges levels are something like:
1% badge: Top 1419 users
5% badge: Top 7093 users
25% badge: Top 35466 users
317) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (105) Server Problems? (Message 1855325)
Posted 13 Mar 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
When you have been in correspondence with Matt/Jeff or Eric have you discussed the lack of Astropulse work? If so is there been any answer as to when/if there will be a steady flow of work? I was thinking about emailing one of them and asking however I did not want to do this if you have already raised the question

My understanding on this is that AP splits much faster, provides fewer WUs than MB, and therefore.. gets processed and returned faster.... and we've basically run out of AP almost entirely, until some brand new tapes arrive. We keep redoing older tapes that never got done with MB's newest autocorr check, so that's why those are all being redone, but AP hasn't really changed since it began. So finding tapes we haven't done with AP is few and far between.

The secondary problem is that starting at some point in 2015 and basically all of 2016, something with the tapes appear to be broken, either at the recording end or the splitting end, because 99% of them are 100% blanked when it comes to AP.

There was mention last year that GBT would begin being processed with AP at some point in the future, but it seems like they need to sort some other gremlins out with the supply of tapes first.

Also I believe Arecibo was offline much of 2015 or 2016.
318) Message boards : Number crunching : Is there a script to auto-abort a task if... (Message 1855089)
Posted 12 Mar 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I tossed this together really quickly and there are probably better ways to do it.
This will get the job done if you want to abort tasks that run over a specific limit.

@ECHO OFF
pushd %~dp0
cls
set outfile1=_task-name.txt
set outfile2=_task-project.txt
set outfile3=_task-checkpoint.txt
set skipcount=0
set bnccmd=boinccmd --get_tasks
set killproject=http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/
set runlimit=18000

@ECHO SOF SOF SOF SOF > %outfile1%
@ECHO SOF SOF SOF SOF > %outfile2%
@ECHO SOF SOF SOF SOF > %outfile3%
%bnccmd% | find "name:" | find /V "WU name:">> %outfile1%
%bnccmd% | find "URL:" >> %outfile2%
%bnccmd% | find "time:" | find /V "checkpoint CPU time:" | find /V "final CPU time:" >> %outfile3%
@ECHO EOF EOF EOF EOF >> %outfile1%
@ECHO EOF EOF EOF EOF >> %outfile2%
@ECHO EOF EOF EOF EOF >> %outfile3%

@ECHO Starting task run time check %date% %time%
:miniloop
set /a skipcount=%skipcount%+1
FOR /F "skip=%skipcount% tokens=4* delims= " %%a in (%outfile3%) do set runtime=%%a & goto checktime
:checktime
if %runtime% equ EOF goto end
if %runtime% equ 0.000000 goto miniloop
set /a runtime/=1
if %runtime% LSS %runlimit% goto miniloop
FOR /F "skip=%skipcount% tokens=3* delims= " %%a in (%outfile2%) do set projectname=%%a & goto checkproject
:checkproject
if %projectname% NEQ %killproject% goto miniloop
FOR /F "skip=%skipcount% tokens=2* delims= " %%a in (%outfile1%) do set taskname=%%a & goto killtask
:killtask
@ECHO Run time limit reached %runtime%/%runlimit% seconds. Killing task %taskname%
@ECHO %date% %time%, %runtime%/%runlimit%, %taskname% >> _kill_log.txt
boinccmd --task %projectname% %taskfile% abort
goto miniloop
:end
@ECHO Stopping task run time check %date% %time%
del %outfile1% & del %outfile2% & del %outfile3%


bnccmd - The boinccmd command line. Can be modified with --host --passwd values to run on remote hosts. See the BOINC wiki for full details on using boinccmd and configuring remote hosts.
killproject - The project you want to check
runlimit - The number of seconds that will trigger an abort.
_kill_log.txt - The log of tasks that have been aborted.
319) Message boards : Number crunching : I have roughly 18 HP DL 360's from 2011-2013 (Message 1854904)
Posted 12 Mar 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
On Monday day I can log into my PDU's and get a live reading. Im assuming roughly 4-500 for power

I had a Dell server with dual E5645's. Running 24 tasks at once the power draw was only ~300w.
Which is a bit more than my dual E5-2670 system running 32 tasks at once with a power draw of ~250w.

It is frustrating when perfectly good older hardware can't find a good use. I have a pretty nice dual X5470 system with 32GB & dual SAS controllers that I don't use because sitting at idle it draws ~200w.
320) Message boards : Number crunching : From FX to Ryzen (Message 1854893)
Posted 11 Mar 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I just posted a video on my experience with the R7 1700 so far. It includes benchmarks with the FX8370, i73930K, and i7-6950X. I have included the AVX MB app in my benchmarks. https://youtu.be/YpEOmxG3zV4

It looks like normal AR Arecibo tasks are running ~2hrs with the AVX app.
Is that at the 3.5GHz OC you mentioned?

I would have hoped for run times in the 1-1.5hr range at that speed. Given my dual E5-2670 system @ 3.0GHz takes ~2.5hrs when running 32 at a time.
321) Message boards : Number crunching : CPU leaderboards (Message 1854228)
Posted 10 Mar 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
@ Gabriel Siegel:

Not only what you have noticed, but there are many instances of the same CPU being listed in two places. I counted 126 of these. For example,

line 6 (Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4790K CPU @ 4.00GHz [x86 Family 6 Model 60 Stepping 3] ) and
line 21 (Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4790K CPU @ 4.00GHz [Family 6 Model 60 Stepping 3] )

are the same CPU, but listed with slightly different specs (notice the "x86" in front of "Family").

I haven't found who/how to address such things since there is no contact info on the webpage.

I believe the Mac BOINC client reports the CPU with the extra x86 information that the other clients do not.
322) Message boards : Number crunching : From FX to Ryzen (Message 1854224)
Posted 10 Mar 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I've been reading non-stop for the past couple of weeks about Ryzen forum builds and all the goings on. Everybody is concerned about the reported CPU temperatures that they are seeing. What I haven't seen is anyone pulling out a thermocouple or contactless IR temperature gun and shooting the chip socket or cooler to see what the real temps are. Rick, do you have a temp gun in your toolbox by chance and can get a temperature reading around the socket or back of the socket on the motherboard backside? I really think the readings that people are seeing in the BIOS or monitoring programs are flaky. A lot of people are commenting also that the temperature of the air coming through an air cooler or through a water radiator is only mildly warm. I can't see how a 65W or 95W chip can produce 90° C. temps. The thermal Tmax dissipation for Ryzen 7 is only 128W. It's not like these new chips are producing the kind of waste heat the 220W TDP FX-9570 did.

Got fed up with Amazon about no information on my motherboard order after 2 weeks and have tried to cancel the order. They can't figure out how because I ordered it in a bundle. Ordered the ASUS Prime X370 Pro from Newegg earlier as it was back in stock. Was $10 cheaper too. Hope I see it next week sometime so I can get started on my build. Don't now what I'm going to do for cooling yet since still no word on the AIO bracket. I might have to buy an air cooler to get the build up and running.

Toms Hardware has been using an IR camera in their reviews for a while.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-ryzen-7-1800x-cpu,4951-11.html
323) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (105) Server Problems? (Message 1854193)
Posted 9 Mar 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The Wiki says it was first supported in 7.0.40+ versions. There is only 7.4.42 available on the BOINC website above that cutoff level. I was on the level and had the problem even before updating to the latest recommended 7.6.33 version.

Really you can download any version of BOINC you want to play around with on your hosts.

Some people have reported that a few of the older releases seem to be corrupt. YMMV
324) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (105) Server Problems? (Message 1853976)
Posted 9 Mar 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

Note: Deselecting both MB & AP will set the selection to (all apps). Selecting MB or AP, saving, and then selecting the 2nd app will not set the selection to (all apps). ¯\_(º¿º)_/¯

Test 1 & Test 4 resulted in no work being sent. As we have little to no AP work and the Other apps function is still broken.
I never got a "project has no tasks" message for those two tests. Just the "No tasks sent" "No tasks are available for AstroPulse v7" messages.



. . To me it seems to be related to the "Other Apps" function breakdown in that the symptoms emerged about the same time. But since I did not myself use that setting I may be wrong and that malfunction may have occurred earlier.

Stephen

¯\_(º¿º)_/¯ {sorry for pilfering but I liked it :) and cannot make it myself}

Wait... you stole my ASCII art! RAWR! (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

The issue does seem to have started for some users at the same time. With the supposed spaghetti code in the scheduler I wouldn't be surprised if it turned out to be something weird and seemingly unrelated effecting those users.
325) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (105) Server Problems? (Message 1853929)
Posted 8 Mar 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
It is a really odd issue. Since I wasn't having any issue I did some testing changing my settings all around and I was still not running into the issue.
I guess whatever the issue plaguing some users is there is another part related to it that I can not reproduce.

It may (or may not) be related to the BOINC manager version and/or whether or not you have an application for AP installed, or not.

The client version could be a variable. I was using 7.6.23 before switching to 7.6.33 on my Windows hosts.
I currently have 5 Windows hosts with 7.6.33 & 1 Linux AWS host with 7.4.42. They are all configured with an app_info.xml that include these apps:
8130144 MB: CPU, AP: none, Venue: default
5837483 MB: CPU & ATI, AP: ATI, Venue: home
7324426 MB: Nvidia, AP: IGPU, Venue: home
8146263 MB: iGPU & Nvidia, AP: none, Venue: school
7421701 MB: CPU, AP: CPU, Venue: default
8115499 MB: CPU, AP: none, Venue: default

My venues settings are:
Venue		default	home	school	work
Use CPU		yes	no	no	yes
Use ATI GPU	no	yes	yes	yes
Use NVIDIA GPU	no	yes	yes	yes
Use Intel GPU	no	yes	no	yes

Then I cycled through these options
Test		1	2	3	4	5	6
AstroPulse v7:	yes	no	yes	yes	no	yes
SETI@home v8:	no	yes	yes	no	yes	yes
Other apps:	no	no	no	yes	yes	yes
Note: Deselecting both MB & AP will set the selection to (all apps). Selecting MB or AP, saving, and then selecting the 2nd app will not set the selection to (all apps). ¯\_(º¿º)_/¯

For each test cycle I would change the setting on the site & update the client to ensure it had the latest config.
Then I would wait and see if the tasks on the host would go down.

Test 1 & Test 4 resulted in no work being sent. As we have little to no AP work and the Other apps function is still broken.
I never got a "project has no tasks" message for those two tests. Just the "No tasks sent" "No tasks are available for AstroPulse v7" messages.

Test 2, 3, 5, & 6 resulted in work being sent or a "This computer has reached a limit on tasks in progress" message.

As of this moment my venue settings are:
Venue		default	home	school	work
AstroPulse v7:	no	yes	no	yes
SETI@home v8:	yes	yes	yes	yes
Other apps:	no	no	no	no
326) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (105) Server Problems? (Message 1853823)
Posted 8 Mar 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hmm my Linux machine is once again struggling to get work, all other machines have full caches.
Down to 27 GPU WU now, I sure hope I get some work soon.....

Change the application settings, then hit Update in the BOINC manager to get the change to take effect. On the next Scheduler contact work should start to flow. Maybe.
There are a few Arecibo VLARs about, so that will complicate getting GPU work more than it already is.


You don't need to change application settings in order to claim new wu. Just click on 'Update' or run
./boinccmd --project http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/ update
Open your 'Event log' display to check new wu are coming....



. . Bonjour Laurent,

. . Merci for your attempt to help but this is not a lack of knowledge of the process. Of late there is a problem that does not, thankfully, affect everyone, but is affecting quite a few users. Agreed that sometimes kicking it in the pants by pressing update will score you a few tasks but often each attempt to obtain new work either by automatic or manual updates results in a "No new tasks available" message and no work. It has been plagueing (that looks wrong however I spell it ) some users for a couple of months now and there seems to be no fix in sight, and sadly no feedback. I hope you are never affected by it.

Stephen

.

It is a really odd issue. Since I wasn't having any issue I did some testing changing my settings all around and I was still not running into the issue.
I guess whatever the issue plaguing some users is there is another part related to it that I can not reproduce.
327) Message boards : Number crunching : Personal Goal (Message 1853506)
Posted 6 Mar 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hello,
Just wanted to get it out there .
My personal goal is to reach 500,000 total credit by this year.
Should be easy. I'm currently at 4 Linux servers with plans for up to 16.

Eventually I want to reach 128 Linux servers (Virtual of course) running seti@home all day every day.

But yes - Let us continue our search

Thank You

With the 4 you have running average tasks in ~5 hours. They would produce around 1,500,000 credit after a year if running 24/7.
328) Message boards : Number crunching : PCIe x1 GPU cards? (Message 1853490)
Posted 6 Mar 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
My J1900-ITX seems to feed a GTX 750 ti without any issues using a PCIe x1 to PCIe x16 adapter.

Since the J1900-ITX only has PCIe 2.0 a very fast GPU would probably seem some slowdown if used in a PCIe x1 slot.
If anyone is using a x60 or x70 GPU in a x1 slot the amount of slowdown could be determined.
329) Message boards : Number crunching : Grabbing the Total Credit and Recent average credit (Message 1853489)
Posted 6 Mar 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hello,
Not sure where to post this so I will leave it here.

I'm writing some software based around seti@home as a fun side project.
How can I grab from my account the Total Credit and Recent average credit ?

Let us say I write a webpage and I want it to grab this information to display on the webpage
Does seti@home provide this type of information grabbing ?

Thank You

Stats are generated, almost, daily by the server and can be downloaded from here: http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/stats/

Alternatively you can use the local stats file in your BOINC folder for each project you want to track.
330) Message boards : Number crunching : 2 GTX 750ti- 24/7 why is credit falling (Message 1853253)
Posted 5 Mar 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Perhaps the effect is greater on much faster GPUs?

I'd say that's the case.
The faster the GPU crunches the work, the more support it needs from the CPU to keep it fed, and the greater the impact of any delays in the GPU sending & getting data.

That makes sense. The CPU seems to have very little effect on the final run time of tasks for my 750 ti and 950m. On the notebook I had to drop below 1.8GHz before any real changes occurred in run time vs its normal 3.2GHz.
331) Message boards : Number crunching : From FX to Ryzen (Message 1853250)
Posted 5 Mar 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
[url]I have a suspicion that the sudden dearth of any motherboard for immediate purchase might be because the manufacturers have pulled all stock back from the distributors.[/url]

That is a pretty accurate interpretation of what I was told by my vendor yesterday (a major UK component distributor). The majority of the motherboard manufacturers had pulled stock, while for the others they were being faced with log-jammed phones to resolve BIOS issues.

Yes electrical instability is being touted as the main reason behind mobo shortages (several small independent review sites have now already flagged this issue).

Cheers.

A bit of a rocky launch. Maybe after the BIOS & socket issues are resolved there will be updated reviews.
So far I've been most disappointed in the power consumption and temps under full load of the 1800X.
332) Message boards : Number crunching : From FX to Ryzen (Message 1853118)
Posted 5 Mar 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Apparently there is an issue where AMD forgot to supply all the details about the changes to the AM4 socket for Ryzen to all of the MB & cooling hardware manufactures.
I imagine that may be the reason some MBs are not shipping.
333) Message boards : Number crunching : 2 GTX 750ti- 24/7 why is credit falling (Message 1853117)
Posted 5 Mar 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hi all,

I installed SoG version 3584 and have it running but the CPU utilisation seems really high with these tasks.
I'm currently running two at the same time on a GTX 770 and often they both chew up a CPU core each:
[img ]https://i.imgsafe.org/b68880cb88.png[/img]

Is this normal?

You can use the -use_sleep option to reduce the CPU usage.
The readme does say that sleep can increase the run time for tasks, but I have not seen a great deal of change on my systems when using it.
Perhaps the effect is greater on much faster GPUs?
334) Message boards : Number crunching : CPU leaderboards (Message 1852991)
Posted 4 Mar 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I'm not too sure just how they come up with some of the numbers (eg 3.93 average cores per computer?).
.

Probably something as simple as:
Total number of reported CPUs/Total number of computers
There are a number of users that restrict the number of cores they use for BOINC via the cc_config.xml option <ncpus>.
So you will see their CPU information reported something like
GenuineIntel
Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-4670K CPU @ 3.40GHz
(3 processors)
335) Message boards : Number crunching : How much RAC from a RX480? (Message 1852158)
Posted 1 Mar 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I'm looking for a pure GPU number, surely 20-25k includes the CPU, right? If not that would be an amazing RAC :)

Thanks!

My R9 390X seems to be good for ~27-29K running 1 task at a time. So I would estimate a RX 480 at ~22-23K.

Some have said their 1050 ti's are good for ~15k. That feels a bit high to me. Since a 750 ti is good for ~10k. I feel ~12-13k may be more accurate.
Wiggo has reported their GTX 1060's run ~18-19k.
336) Message boards : Number crunching : 2 GTX 750ti- 24/7 why is credit falling (Message 1851973)
Posted 28 Feb 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thanks, I have installed the SoG app but still see Cuda 32 as the application running in Boinc manager. Is that normal?
Also stopped Collaz.

[img ]https://i.imgsafe.org/4c8cdbf1f0.jpg[/img]

It seems really odd to me to run the CUDA 3.2 app on a Maxwell GPU, but that irrelevant to the SoG app.

If you added the SoG app to your app_info.xml and left the CUDA app in. Then the tasks are likely still using the CUDA application. You can look in task manager and see which exe is actually running.
Probably the easiest way to switch apps is to run the GPU queue empty and then remove the CUDA app from your app_info.
If you are more adept at modifying xml files you can remove the CUDA app from your app_info and update your client_state.xml. However messing up in the client_state.xml can lead to the loss of all BOINC tasks/projects on the host.
337) Message boards : Number crunching : 2 GTX 750ti- 24/7 why is credit falling (Message 1851969)
Posted 28 Feb 2017 by Profile HAL9000
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Guess I have been here too long. I have the latest app from Lunatics. I will have to try to find Mike's World. Any leads on where that is?
As of Collatz it's set to run 10% of the time. So it really should not bee that big a drain. I will turn it off for a bit and see if that helps. If a 750TI should do 7-10K then I should be doing a lot better with 2 of them.

BOINC does its best to try to run as requested. Short term it doesn't appears to work as expected, but if you look at it on the timescale of a year it does a pretty good job... mostly.


If you want some single GPUs for comparison.
I have a host with a 750 ti. Which runs 2 MB tasks at once with the SoG app 0 CPU tasks.
It is an EVGA FTW model running at 1345MHz.

I also have a notebook running the same configuration.
It has a GTX 950m, but that is really a rebadged and downclocked 750 ti running at 927MHz.
338) Message boards : Number crunching : 2 GTX 750ti- 24/7 why is credit falling (Message 1851956)
Posted 28 Feb 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have been looking at various threads and have not found an answer. My cruncher is a 8 core AMD with dual 750ti graphic cards. I am noticing people get 30 - 45K rac. Mine is down to 6K. What am I doing wrong?

Given the amount of work your computer is doing at Collatz it isn't going to max out running SETI@home tasks.

A 750 TI seems to be good for about 7-10K RAC depending on the work going out.
339) Message boards : Number crunching : Power consumption vs. Total credits (Message 1851922)
Posted 27 Feb 2017 by Profile HAL9000
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Could you power these phones via USB plugs of very that laptop? Then measure with the same single power meter consumption of laptop alone and consumption of laptop + 1 or 2 phones.

That's a very good idea! I will do that.

How to check that AR of tasks is the same?

If you look at a completed task you will see a value like WU true angle range is : 0.411818.
An AR of 0.42-44 is a "normal" AR and good to use for comparison, but so long as you are comparing similar AR tasks then you will be ok.
340) Message boards : Number crunching : Power consumption vs. Total credits (Message 1851921)
Posted 27 Feb 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Since credit is highly variable I try to avoid using it when determining efficiency of devices.

Instead I prefer to calculate the Wh per task of comparable AR tasks.
For estimated values I start with published TDP values.
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=80803&postid=1840236#1840236
For whole system calculation I measure the average power usage for the system under the task load I want to compare.
341) Message boards : Number crunching : HTTP internal server error for 4 days, can't phone home... (Message 1851319)
Posted 25 Feb 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I would try what grant suggested, limiting the # of reporting tasks.

Reporting 500 tasks at once maybe causing the problem.

Also you may want to look in your slots to see if there is any sign of what happened.

There was an issue several years ago where the servers were in a poor state and reports of tasks had to be limited to no more than ~50 at a time.
Since then I've bumped the value up to 100 & haven't had any timeout issues.
342) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (104) Server Problems? (Message 1851316)
Posted 25 Feb 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Looking over the logs on one of my machines I did find a "Project has no tasks available" message, but it looks like it cleared up pretty quickly.
25-Feb-2017 07:48:00 [SETI@home] Sending scheduler request: To report completed tasks.
25-Feb-2017 07:48:00 [SETI@home] Reporting 1 completed tasks
25-Feb-2017 07:48:00 [SETI@home] Requesting new tasks for CPU
25-Feb-2017 07:48:02 [SETI@home] Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks
25-Feb-2017 07:48:02 [SETI@home] Project has no tasks available

25-Feb-2017 07:53:07 [SETI@home] Sending scheduler request: To fetch work.
25-Feb-2017 07:53:07 [SETI@home] Requesting new tasks for CPU
25-Feb-2017 07:53:09 [SETI@home] Scheduler request completed: got 1 new tasks

25-Feb-2017 07:58:19 [SETI@home] Sending scheduler request: To fetch work.
25-Feb-2017 07:58:19 [SETI@home] Requesting new tasks for CPU
25-Feb-2017 07:58:21 [SETI@home] Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks
25-Feb-2017 07:58:21 [SETI@home] No tasks sent
25-Feb-2017 07:58:21 [SETI@home] This computer has reached a limit on tasks in progress
343) Message boards : Number crunching : Aborting tasks for Lost Hardware (Message 1851309)
Posted 25 Feb 2017 by Profile HAL9000
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Exactly. If I had merely fried a motherboard or GPU, I'd just be swearing for a few hours fixing it. In this case I no longer have any of the hardware, to include the hard drive. To be more precise, I no longer have access to it.

However, all I am worried about is leaving other crunchers hanging until those tasks time out.

Unfortunately the BOINC designed method is to let the tasks timeout.

Supposedly it is possible to modify a client_state.xml in order to get the server to abandon the tasks for a host, but I've never gotten it it actually work.

I decided it was easier to backup my BOINC data folder when the host had 0 tasks on hand. That way if I ever lost the drive or system I could load the data folder on another system to clear out the tasks & continue where the previous had left off.
344) Message boards : Number crunching : 1060 3GB Vs 6GB (Message 1850310)
Posted 21 Feb 2017 by Profile HAL9000
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I wonder why the 3 GB version of the 1060 GPU is higher in the Top GPU models even though it has it has less cores,

Do you think this is because of more powerful Rigs would have been installing the 3GB since it was released earlier? or is there an actual spec deference between the cards,

Do you think the 6GB will slowly move up the ranking to be similar to the 3 GB.

cheers

Steven

There is a slight difference between the 3GB and 6GB cards. In that the 3GB ones have 1152 cores and the 6GB have 1280 cores.

I would expect the higher performance number for the 3GB cards would more likely be that there are more factory OC'd versions of them running .
345) Message boards : Number crunching : GPU FLOPS: Theory vs Reality (Message 1850309)
Posted 21 Feb 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
^hi all, just seen something strange in my results

Boinc self determine théorical Gflop to my GPU ( HD7750 ) a 2048 Gflop, , on technical websites and wiki , the value is about 819 Gflops ...

but now on somme task , it set to 2304 Gflops , is it self calculated with time by result ?

look at theses ..

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/result.php?resultid=5423626195 >2048
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/result.php?resultid=5516955845 >2304
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/result.php?resultid=5514924288 >2048
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/result.php?resultid=5522146789 >2304

thks for your thoughts ...

As I recall BOINC always reported the GFLOPs of all of my older CAL Radeon GPUs as double the actual value.
It probably has something to do with them having issues with the GPU detection using CAL.
For the numbers you are seeing you are seeing I would guess your GPU is running 1000MHz base and then 1125MHz for turbo?
346) Message boards : News : Web site upgrade (Message 1849357)
Posted 17 Feb 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Yes, I notice this also about a week ago. I'll tweet them and maybe that will get their attention more than this forum. :-)

That issue has been fixed already.
347) Message boards : Number crunching : CES 2017 -- AMD RYZEN CPU (Message 1849173)
Posted 16 Feb 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
On paper for similar core, thread, thread configurations AMD and Intel are pretty close for the types of systems I normally build.
Name		c/t	Clock	L3	TDP	MSRP
R5-1400X	4/8	3.5 GHz	8MB	65W	$199
R3-1200X	4/4	3.4 GHz	8MB	65W	$149

i7-7600		4/8	3.6GHz	6MB	65W	$312
i5-7500		4/4	3.4GHz	6MB	65W	$202


Given the AMD chips have a similar TDP and don't have an integrated GPU does lead me to think they will run a fair bit hotter under full load.
348) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (104) Server Problems? (Message 1849161)
Posted 16 Feb 2017 by Profile HAL9000
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That's because you have told the server you want AP work in your prefs but you have no app for it.

And even when I don't have that option selected I still get the messages in the Event log. Just getting it in the Manager Notices is new.

You can get a message for either MB or AP depending on your app_info.xml no matter what your app selections are.
The quirk in the messages tab/event log has been driving me nuts for years.
My AP only machines would get "you don't have a usable version of MB" message and my MB only machines would get the "you don't have a usable version of AP.
I found if I configured the app that I didn't want to run for hardware I didn't have then the message didn't seem to show up.
Like setting up the NV AP app on a machine that only ran CPU & ATI GPU MB work.
349) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (104) Server Problems? (Message 1848929)
Posted 16 Feb 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Two of my computers had full caches early this morning but my daily driver still hadn't reloaded. I had to go through the project toggling exercise to get it to get tasks. What I find interesting is that the Windows 10 computer is able to fill out its cache within a few hours of the project coming back online. Not the case with the Windows 7 machines which always take 1-2 days to recover.

There doesn't seem to be anything specific to those that are having the issue. One of my machines is only allowed network traffic for a 2.5hr time period each day and it isn't having any issues maintaining its cache.
350) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (104) Server Problems? (Message 1848870)
Posted 15 Feb 2017 by Profile HAL9000
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Over 12 hrs since the outrage ended and the RTS remains drained. This is what I predicted.

I have full caches now, which means many others should as well.
So, if the splitters are able to maintain present creation rate of around 38/second, RTS should start to build in the next hour or so.
That is MY prediction.

Meow.

I've been bouncing off of the limits pretty much right after everything came back online after maintenance.
I guess some hosts just have better odds with work requests than others.
351) Message boards : Number crunching : Problem joining / finding a team (Message 1848784)
Posted 15 Feb 2017 by Profile HAL9000
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There seems to be a problem with the team finding function.
If i want so find a team, there is no button for searching.
Is this possible a server problem?

You can press enter after entering your search text, but when I tried it returned nothing.
I'm not sure if that happened because I'm already in a team.
352) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (104) Server Problems? (Message 1848718)
Posted 15 Feb 2017 by Profile HAL9000
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Why don't we start a fund for a robotic disk library? I used to do Tech Support on commercial tape backup robotic libraries and they aren't all that big. Should be able to find space for a robot at the CoLo or SSL or wherever the splitters are physically located. That would solve the issue of having to have a corporeal entity physically change out the disks as is done currently.

I believe it is just a matter of running a command to load the data from the storage array into the splitting queue.
When they receive a shipment of hard drives from one of the antennas they do have to copy the data to the storage array.
I don't recall the exact process for that, but I believe it is still transferred from the SSL to the CoLo over the 100Mb shared connection that the SSL has to the rest of the campus.
IIRC 2TB drives were what they asked for in the last hardware donation drive. So each drive would hold about 40 data sets (aka tapes) and a full case of 20 drives would be about 800 data sets.
353) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (104) Server Problems? (Message 1848691)
Posted 15 Feb 2017 by Profile HAL9000
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Hmmm and here we are again with empty caches and it's soon tuesday outage.
I really hope they can fix Centurion and that it would run more then a few days without crashing.

Do we know what the problem is with it?

Unclear to me whether this is a problem with Centurion, or whether it's just down due to not having any work to do.
SSP shows no BLC tapes ready to split.
What's not clear is what process places tapes into place so PFB and GBT splitters can find them and do work.

The name of the process that loads the data for splitting is normally Eric or Jeff.
Unless they have some interns to delegate the task to.
354) Message boards : Number crunching : User achievements thread......... (Message 1848073)
Posted 11 Feb 2017 by Profile HAL9000
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i've just reach 2.5M credits now \o/

hard to download 2 Wu at a time with a 56k modem dial up connexion ( adsl outage till 2/2/2017) and i do not find where to modify this setting ..

There is a cc_config.xml option <max_file_xfers_per_project>N</max_file_xfers_per_project>. You could set to 1 instead of the default of 2.
355) Message boards : Number crunching : My Computer Builds And Other Projects (Message 1848069)
Posted 11 Feb 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Intel has a chip with 24 cores that costs $8,898
Intel's Xeon E7-8894 v4 is a monster server chip with 24 cores, 60MB of cache and a maximum clock frequency of 3.4GHz

No Intel chip is as expensive as the new Xeon E7-8894 v4 server processor.

The Xeon E7-8894 v4, which is based on the Broadwell architecture, is priced high for many reasons. It is targeted at fault tolerant servers used by financial or retail companies which need highly reliable systems for transactions and fraud detection. These companies could lose hundreds of millions of dollars if a server crashed.

That even out prices their 72 core chips that are only $6400.
http://ark.intel.com/compare/94035,95829,95830,95831
356) Message boards : Number crunching : Pine A64+ 2GB running 24/7 (Message 1847707)
Posted 10 Feb 2017 by Profile HAL9000
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Just an update for anyone interested. I installed the CPU fan. But the numbers aren't adding up.
It's 5V and the sticker on it says it draws 0.1A. That should mean the fan consumes 0.5w. But the meter is now reading 6.6W. An increase of 0.9W. Also meaning this tiny little CPU fan the size of my thumbnail is increasing the power load by 16%! That's ridiculous.

Seems like they left off a digit on the current rating. Maybe it should be 0.18A!
More likely I would guess the 5v supply is on the high end of its tolerance and the resistance of the fan is on the lower end of its tolerance.
357) Message boards : Number crunching : Accept work from other applications? doesn't work (Message 1847701)
Posted 10 Feb 2017 by Profile HAL9000
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Yeah that has been broken for a while now. Eric has looked at it a few times but it seems no luck in fixing it as of yet.
358) Message boards : Number crunching : Mac OS Sierra (Message 1847643)
Posted 9 Feb 2017 by Profile HAL9000
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If iGPU in use CPU is somehow throttled. Bottleneck ?

Either bottleneck (CPU/iGPU sharing caches & data paths?), or power related- Power limit for complete package; power required to run iGPU reduces available power for CPU?
Or both?

Here are some posts starting from 2014 about the same issue.
A journey: iGPU slowing CPU processing
iGPU tuning
Loading APU to the limit: performance considerations - ongoing research

I believe the leading theory was L3 cache contention when it was being looked into last.
359) Message boards : Number crunching : Mac OS Sierra (Message 1847449)
Posted 9 Feb 2017 by Profile HAL9000
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Intel has changed the clock domain for iGPU with their Skylake CPUs. Its now bound to the baseclock (L3-cache, RAM, iGPU) instead of the DMI-connection (chipset and PCIe).
I do see the same behaviour on Linux on a KabyLake i7 : if iGPU in use CPU tasks are slowed down to a fourth, else the CPU cores without iGPU usage are fast.
Doesn't matter if one or more CPU threads are in use, if iGPU used for crunching the CPUs are slowed. The speedloss is bigger than running 8 threads on CPU.
The "sweet spot" seems to be running 6 or 7 threads without iGPU.

Seems they made the issue worse. The 4000 series CPUs would only be slowed by about 50% when using the iGPU. :(
360) Message boards : Number crunching : CES 2017 -- AMD RYZEN CPU (Message 1847410)
Posted 8 Feb 2017 by Profile HAL9000
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Despite what MS wants manufactures are not cutting support for Windows7 any time soon. It is still nearly half on the computers on the planet.
To get the support of the newest devices in an older OS you just grab the latest drivers from the manufacture. Sometimes that does require rolling drivers into the OS installation, but that is a pretty simple process.
361) Message boards : Number crunching : GPU FLOPS: Theory vs Reality (Message 1847329)
Posted 8 Feb 2017 by Profile HAL9000
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Why no 1050Ti?
Got one on my computer & one on Stephen's... ;)

The most recent data does show the 1050 Ti.
I would guess that since the 1050's were released in 2016 October is the reason they don't show up in 2016 July data.
362) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows 10 - Yea or Nay? (Message 1845874)
Posted 2 Feb 2017 by Profile HAL9000
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New bit of M$ nonsense.
All 5 boxes here interact for some tasks, and since these are scheduled (non-SETI) tasks it is expected that time & date will be correct to keep them from stepping on each other. Been having some issues and discovered the following:
1) While Internet Time Update remains enabled, all machines have been changed from time.nist.gov to time.windows.com, and
2) The current time on 2 of 5 boxes was incorrect.
So I live 6 miles as the bird flies from the NIST facility, and I'm gonna go to Redmond for my time?
Right.
And M$ made this change without my knowledge or consent for what reason?
FYI, one of the 5 boxes is Win 7, not 10.

Often settings get set to factory default when updates are applied. This isn't new and has been going on since at least XP.
363) Message boards : Number crunching : Linux (ARM processor) app and alternatives (Message 1845830)
Posted 1 Feb 2017 by Profile HAL9000
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Seems like armhf might be a better route to go, but would probably need an app compiled to take advantage of it
I would guess the current Linux ARM apps do not. I does look like a new Linux ARM64 app was just pushed out on Beta about an hour ago. So maybe Eric is looking to expand the Linux ARM app base.
364) Message boards : Number crunching : Help making my 1070 rig up it's RAC to above my 1060 one (Message 1845577)
Posted 31 Jan 2017 by Profile HAL9000
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I built a couple crunchers over the last 4-5 months, and they are sitting in the back bedroom happily crunching away. Well, I thought happily, till I took the time to pay attention to their individual performances. The machines are

ID: 8064025 X58-DualGTX1060 and ID: 8170251 DualGTX1070

They are pretty similiar machines: 1070- 8 procs at 3.5GHz, 1060- 12 procs as 3.33GHz. The 1070's are 4 meg cards, the 1060's, 6 meg versions. Both running Lunatics, and have been running for at least a month, so they have stabilized pretty well by this point and are running 24x7.

And.. The 1070 RAC: about 36k. The 1060 RAC: about 44k. Could someone take a look at them both and see if there is anything obvious that I had missed, because I sure would think that 2 1070's should handily outperform 2 1060's. Shouldn't they? Thanks for any ideas, guys!

First thing that caught my attention is your statement of the 1070 only having 4 GB. That made me scramble to Google to see who produces a 4GB card. No one does. All the 1070's came with 8 GB. The 4 GB you see on SETI is just its lack of being able to report only a maximum of 4 GB memory for graphics cards. Your 1070's actually have 8 GB and can be verified with GPU-Z for example.

You don't have to do anything special to update your apps. Just run the Lunatics Beta-06 application and just choose the SoG application for MB since you already are running Anonymous platform. You can also download the latest SoG app R3584 from Mike's World. I find that easier than trying to find Raistmer's download site in a message in the huge support thread.

It's been a long time but my memory is telling me that BOINC only displays up to 4GB for Nvidia GPUs because of a limitation in the CUDA detection.
Perhaps in the future BOINC can be made to use OpenCL GPU detection for Nvidia GPUs like it does for Intel and Radeon GPUs. So that limitation will no longer be an issue.
365) Message boards : Number crunching : Help making my 1070 rig up it's RAC to above my 1060 one (Message 1845527)
Posted 30 Jan 2017 by Profile HAL9000
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The most recent Lunatics Beta 6 installer has version that are older than the current stock GPU apps. The stock Nvidia/Radeon 8.22/8.23 apps are r3584 . Those apps can be downloaded from the SETI@home servers or from Raistmer's cloud storage.
366) Message boards : Number crunching : AMD 290X vs RX 480 for seti/ DUAL NVIDIA 1070 vs Single 1080 (Message 1845177)
Posted 29 Jan 2017 by Profile HAL9000
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i came back to find the cruncher on the login screen. I've checked events and I couldn't see any crash, it just rebooted with critical event that it wasn't shut down properly... is there anything in the commandline that might lead to this? the screen is connected to the iGPU which isn't used for seti.

I will leave it running and see if this happens again.

I have found instances when closing BOINC that happens. Normally it is when I have multiple clients running on a system and I close them all at once.
367) Message boards : Number crunching : AMD 290X vs RX 480 for seti/ DUAL NVIDIA 1070 vs Single 1080 (Message 1845074)
Posted 29 Jan 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Heres my final dilemma. I got saved up to buy two gtx 1080 or 4 rx480. Or three 1070. Also got the rx480 does the 4gb vs 8gb make big difference?
What should I do?

Either 4GB or 8GB will be fine for SETI@home work. The mos I have used for a SETI@home task on my R9 390X is ~400MB and that was when using command line options that increased the memory usage of the app.

If you want to go with Nvidia or Radeon you can pick between better FLOPs per Watt or FLOPs per $.
On paper the specs look something like this:
GTX 1080 8228 GFLOPs, 180W, $700 x2 = 16456 GFLOPs, 360W, $1400 or 45.71 GFLOPs/W, 11.75 GFLOPs/$
GTX 1070 5783 GFLOPs, 150W, $450 x 3 = 17349 GFLOPs, 450W, $1350 or 38.55 GFLOPs/W, 12.85 GFLOPs/$
RX 480 5161 GFLOPs, 150W, $200 x 4 = 20644 GFLOPs, 600W, $800 or 34.40 GFLOPs/W, 25.80 GFLOPs/$

In practice there isn't a direct correlation between FLOPS and doing SETI@home work. Especially between different vendors. Sometimes it isn't even useful to compare different generations of GPUs this way.
You can have a look at Shaggie's GPU FLOPS: Theory vs Reality thread to see a performance comparison using credit.

This doesn't tell the complete story for all GPUs. As there are so many different manufactures and app configuration options.
In comparing my R9 390X to hosts with a R9 Fury X and tasks with a similar AR. They are pretty much on par. With the worst case being my R9 390X about 9% slower than a hosts with highly optimized settings.

EDIT:
I was just comparing the run times of Michel Makhlouta's 1070's to my R9 390X. It looks like my 390 completes similar tasks bout 25% faster and the 390 is only rated about 2% higher in GFLOPS. GTX 1070 - 5783 GFLOPs vs R9 390X - 5913 GFLOPs


You looking at the cards, from your PC vs Michaels
46,247.89 [2] NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 (4095MB) driver: 376.33 OpenCL: 1.2
/2
23,123.945 about per card
vs
AMD Radeon R9 390X (Grenada XT) (8192MB) driver: 1912.5 OpenCL: 2.0
21,884.42

The amd card is very close the nvidia card, but the amd card costs about 60% less or am I missing something here?

It looks like you are comparing RAC of the two systems. I was comparing the run time of similar tasks.

I just started using my R9 390X on about 2017-01-21. So the system RAC is still rather low. The current daily numbers looks to be in the 30-33k range. Before using the GPU the system was running 2 CPU tasks at a time and had a RAC of ~5500.
368) Message boards : Number crunching : AMD 290X vs RX 480 for seti/ DUAL NVIDIA 1070 vs Single 1080 (Message 1845070)
Posted 29 Jan 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The amd card is very close the nvidia card, but the amd card costs about 60% less or am I missing something here?

The R9 390X appears to be rated for around 250W. The GTX 1070 is rated at 150W, up to 180W for overclocked versions.
I'd rather pay more up front for a card that will cost a lot less to run, than pay less up front for a card that will cost a lot more to run. Particularly when they produce similar amounts of work.

When running SETI@home work GPUz normally shows between 130-150w. The current average after about 9 days shows 142w .
The power usage is about 60% of the TDP. Which is similar to the power usage for the 750 Ti I have. So I would guess a 1070 runs around 90w or so?

Normally I don't run MB work on the 390x. Since the CPU in the system is more power efficient at doing SETI@home MB work. The last time I was using it was before we had GBT work. Plus I'm running the ATI SoG app. Which Raistmer suggested may not be the most efficient for the GPU. Once I had a good baseline I'll switch to the ATI HD5 app.
369) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (104) Server Problems? (Message 1844634)
Posted 26 Jan 2017 by Profile HAL9000
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Just adding an idea here.. but the feeder can only re-fill so fast/frequently/often, so what if instead of letting someone get lucky and get all 200 tasks that it has in one request.. the feeder gets limited to assigning 20 or 50 tasks at a time? I know there will be more groaning and griping about that, too, but if the feeder is more likely to have tasks in it, then there should--theoretically--be less people who get absolutely nothing because it is empty.

Something similar was done with AP work requests a few years ago. At least it seemed that way once no more than ~7 tasks were assigned per request.
If hitting an empty feeder is the only issue it seems like more users would be seeing their queues dropping & that toggling settings wouldn't fix the users getting no work.
At another project there was an issue with the feeder running dry. So the admin adjusted some settings for it. I think they said they increased the number the feeder held at once, but they may have increased how often it was filled.
370) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (104) Server Problems? (Message 1844154)
Posted 24 Jan 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
. . Strange, out of my 3 rigs only one has tasks in this state but it has something like 45 of them. So if 1 in 3 has this problem then that, as you say, would add up to an awful lot of tasks in limbo on a global scale. I hope they are aware of the problem and again like you I hope they fix it tomorrow ...
Stephen
.

I'm seeing it on 3 of 5 rigs, all on jobs returned 6 Dec 2016, and all have been in that state since 6 Dec.
(i.e., both wingmen returned the work on 6 Dec)
Given that, no maintenance tomorrow will resolve this unless it is specifically addressed, I would guess.
Hopefully there's someone reading this thread that can get the report to the right folks ...

Out of ~1400 pending tasks I have ~60 from that time period pending. Out of that 14 that are awaiting validation with two results that were returned on the 6th or 7th.

There is a process that will check the tasks again when their original Report deadline passes. Then they should be sent to the validator.
371) Message boards : Number crunching : Should I get a new Power Supply? Math help needed (Message 1843695)
Posted 22 Jan 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
To figure out my cost per KW/h I just divide the amount I'm changed by the KW/h. So for 1285 KW/hs I paid $208.41, or $0.162 KW/h. Since the rates change during the year I keep a yearly average. Which is closer to $0.18 KW/h.

Going from a Bronze to Gold PSU would save about 6.5w for every 100w of load. If we figure a 250w system load about 16.25w would be saved, or 142.35 KW/h a year. With my cost of $0.18 KW/h that would save about $25 a year and it would takes nearly 4 years for the PSU to pay for itself.

I really only compare the cost of more efficient PSUs when I am already replacing it for another reason. Like when I bumped my gaming system from a 650w to a 750w PSU. I only had to factor the difference in cost between the more more efficient models. Instead of the whole cost of the PSU. The EVGA SuperNOVA 750W Gold and Platinum PSUs were only about $10 different and I calculated I would save about that in a year. So I opted for the Platinum model. The Titanium model would have saved <$20 a year and it was $50 more than the Gold model.
372) Message boards : Number crunching : Another dumb question...................RAM (Message 1843097)
Posted 19 Jan 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
There are some projects than use quite a lot of ram. There was one I was running that used ~4GB per task. Currently SETI@home the memory requirements are pretty low. Normally <50MB per task for CPU tasks. GPU tasks can use more, but that varies based on the specific app. I think 100-200MB per GPU tasks might be a good rule of thumb.

If the systems were using all of the RAM and doing a lot of disk thrashing then the increased memory will defiantly help.
373) Message boards : Number crunching : AMD 290X vs RX 480 for seti/ DUAL NVIDIA 1070 vs Single 1080 (Message 1842983)
Posted 19 Jan 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I was just comparing the run times of Michel Makhlouta's 1070's to my R9 390X. It looks like my 390 completes similar tasks bout 25% faster and the 390 is only rated about 2% higher in GFLOPS. GTX 1070 - 5783 GFLOPs vs R9 390X - 5913 GFLOPs

How well the application is able to make use of the hardware is what really determines whether your card will produce a lot of work or not. Doesn't matter how much capability the card my have, if the software can't take advantage of it.

Indeed. I added that to emphasize the comment I made a few lines before that.
In practice there isn't a direct correlation between FLOPS and doing SETI@home work. Especially between different vendors. Sometimes it isn't even useful to compare different generations of GPUs this way.
374) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (104) Server Problems? (Message 1842954)
Posted 19 Jan 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I use 7.6.33 with the manager from 6.10.48. I don't need a notices tab and I use the messages tab enough that having to open Event Log is simply annoying.

The showstopper for me is the lack of app_config with the older manager.

Ah, I use notepad for that.

It is odd that some users with the issue are having luck toggling their web preferences back and forth. While others with the same settings, and haven't touched their preferences in months, are not having any issues.
My SETI@home prefs are either Yes, Yes, No or No, Yes, No and look to have been that way since at least April of last year.
Are the only hosts effected those that have or did have "accept work from other applications" set to Yes before the issue effecting that setting occurred?
375) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (104) Server Problems? (Message 1842948)
Posted 18 Jan 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I use 7.6.33 with the manager from 6.10.48. I don't need a notices tab and I use the messages tab enough that having to open Event Log is simply annoying.
376) Message boards : Number crunching : Cruncher Down (Message 1842947)
Posted 18 Jan 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
But I have never had a bad ASUS.


Mine went from bad to worse... received the RMA replacement, put everything together and then "the lights went on but no one was home": when it blew, it took out the AMD FX 8-core CPU. This is exactly what the MSI boards kept doing. And its warranty had expired.

So, about $300 (Canbucks) later as I bought a three-year in-store replacement warranty, I have a new CPU on the RMA board in case it dies the same way and fries another one. Funny... the fellow at the store mentioned just this, the some people just have more luck with certain brands of boards and swear by them whereas others have endless problems. I hope this was my only ASUS lemon.

I used to swear by ASUS boards and now I just swear at them. My lat Asus MB board was for a Core 2 Duo system ~2009. After replacing it with a Gigabyte MB & taking a hammer to the Asus MB I no longer had issues & felt better.
Over the years I've transitioned from Abit > Asus > Gigabyte. With the occasional Intel or Supermicro MB. I do have an ASRock MB I bought not to long ago and I have to say their quality has gone up quite a bit since Asus sold them off.
377) Message boards : Number crunching : AMD 290X vs RX 480 for seti/ DUAL NVIDIA 1070 vs Single 1080 (Message 1842940)
Posted 18 Jan 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Heres my final dilemma. I got saved up to buy two gtx 1080 or 4 rx480. Or three 1070. Also got the rx480 does the 4gb vs 8gb make big difference?
What should I do?

Either 4GB or 8GB will be fine for SETI@home work. The mos I have used for a SETI@home task on my R9 390X is ~400MB and that was when using command line options that increased the memory usage of the app.

If you want to go with Nvidia or Radeon you can pick between better FLOPs per Watt or FLOPs per $.
On paper the specs look something like this:
GTX 1080 8228 GFLOPs, 180W, $700 x2 = 16456 GFLOPs, 360W, $1400 or 45.71 GFLOPs/W, 11.75 GFLOPs/$
GTX 1070 5783 GFLOPs, 150W, $450 x 3 = 17349 GFLOPs, 450W, $1350 or 38.55 GFLOPs/W, 12.85 GFLOPs/$
RX 480 5161 GFLOPs, 150W, $200 x 4 = 20644 GFLOPs, 600W, $800 or 34.40 GFLOPs/W, 25.80 GFLOPs/$

In practice there isn't a direct correlation between FLOPS and doing SETI@home work. Especially between different vendors. Sometimes it isn't even useful to compare different generations of GPUs this way.
You can have a look at Shaggie's GPU FLOPS: Theory vs Reality thread to see a performance comparison using credit.

This doesn't tell the complete story for all GPUs. As there are so many different manufactures and app configuration options.
In comparing my R9 390X to hosts with a R9 Fury X and tasks with a similar AR. They are pretty much on par. With the worst case being my R9 390X about 9% slower than a hosts with highly optimized settings.

EDIT:
I was just comparing the run times of Michel Makhlouta's 1070's to my R9 390X. It looks like my 390 completes similar tasks bout 25% faster and the 390 is only rated about 2% higher in GFLOPS. GTX 1070 - 5783 GFLOPs vs R9 390X - 5913 GFLOPs
378) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (104) Server Problems? (Message 1842762)
Posted 17 Jan 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
[. . Hey guys,
. . Can I do a quick poll?
. . What setting is in your "get additional days of work field"? Both for those getting work and those having problems getting any.
Stephen.

7.6.22 with no issues, setting are:
Store at least 10 days of work
Store up to an additional 10 days of work

Doesn't matter in my case, as those parameters are never enforced.
The hard limit of 100 tasks per CPU and 100 tasks per GPU keep me limited to a total of less than 12 hours work for most of the machines here.

My default BOINC web settings are also 10/10 days of work. I did have a mix of 7.2.42, 7.4.42, 7.6.23, & 7.6.33 on my machines, but recently switched all of the Windows machines to 7.6.33. I wasn't having any issues getting work. I just wanted to bring them all up to the same version.
379) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (104) Server Problems? (Message 1842525)
Posted 16 Jan 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
My settings are yes, yes, and yes.

That appears to be it.
Try changing them to accept v8 work only and see if they stop getting work for a while.

Settings that used to work, no longer do. Sound familiar?

Most of my machines are in a venue that is set to only allows MB v8 work. I have 2 hosts that are in a venue with AP v7 enabled.
So that setting hasn't effected my ability to get work.
380) Message boards : Number crunching : BOINC odd network traffic (Message 1842415)
Posted 15 Jan 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Doing some tests I can confirm that resource monitor does show increased network activity depending on what is being viewed in BOINC Manager.
Transfers or disk tab
http://i.imgur.com/iGSCt0v.png
Projects tab
http://i.imgur.com/MPcwuVG.png
Tasks tab: View active
http://i.imgur.com/iJ9iMZ4.png
Tasks tab: View all
http://i.imgur.com/7c5WLwQ.png

However I could not confirm the displayed activity effected my network/internet bandwidth.
I restricted the internet bandwidth for the machine I was testing to 1024KB in my router.
With BOINC set to view all in the task tab I went to speedtest.net and ran a test.
Resource monitor displayed 2MB Network I/O & the results for the speedtest were 1MB/1MB.
381) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (104) Server Problems? (Message 1842398)
Posted 15 Jan 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
In checking the logs across my machines for the past few days the only time I have got a Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks response it was followed by This computer has reached a limit on tasks in progress.
382) Message boards : Number crunching : RAC & Badges (Message 1842166)
Posted 14 Jan 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
As far as I'm aware badges are based on total contribution not RAC.

No, it's RAC.
I'm often going from no badge, to now a silver badge, and in a week or so if I continue to crunch like this a gold badge, all depending on how much I crunch. When I only run my tablet for a while, my badge quickly goes down to silver, and then bronze, and then disappear totally.

For example, this guy has a bronze badge with only Total credit 549,922, but a RAC of 1,195.67: https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/show_user.php?userid=10259455

And this guy with a Total credit 7,327,754, but a RAC of 1,039.18, doesn't have any badge at all: https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/show_user.php?userid=149109

Viewing Top participants by total credit will currently show similar information. With some users without and a mix a gold and silver badges.

Alto worth noting in that sometimes the script that updates the RAC badges doesn't run or gets stuck. So if you are near a transition from one to the other your badge may not update until someone pokes the script.
383) Message boards : Number crunching : RAC & Badges (Message 1841964)
Posted 13 Jan 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Last week you could get a Silver badge with a RAC in the high 5k, now you need mid 7k. Did I miss the memo?

Since the number of users and their participation is variable there will never be a fixed value for the % badges.
384) Message boards : Number crunching : Looking for used laptops (Message 1841413)
Posted 11 Jan 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
GPUs take power from the 6 or 8 pin power cables (if GPU has them) plus up to 75 Watts from the PCI bus.

That why when you use PCIe extender cables they require (most of them) the additional power to be supplied from either a 4 pin Molex (HD power plug) or SATA power plug. The included SATA to 4 pin Molex adaptor is just to make sure you have an available power source.

I imagine they do that because most new PSUs have more SATA power connectors than 4-pin molex. At least that is the case with all of the PSUs I've bought in the past several years.
385) Message boards : Number crunching : Pine A64+ 2GB running 24/7 (Message 1840773)
Posted 8 Jan 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
If you have the time that would be great.

I'm at work right now. But when I get home, I'll power it down, move it to a power meter, restart everything, and let it run for a few hours. Once power consumption stabilizes at a constant running temperature, I'll post an average reading from the meter. It will be just the Pine A64+ It will not have any loads from fans on it. The fan will be on a separate circuit.

Ok. I let it run overnight and it is now pulling down 5.7 Watts according to the meter. https://flic.kr/p/QNCWq2
[img ]https://c2.staticflickr.com/1/563/32032890761_50085bd8b2_n.jpg[/img]

Since you probably can't run it 100% here without the fan, you should add what the fan draws too, to that.

A typical fan for these kind of devices normally runs in the 0.25-0.5W range.
386) Message boards : Number crunching : Question about using 12 volt dc fans instead of 24. (Message 1840701)
Posted 7 Jan 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have a UPS with the cooling fan going bad. It is an APC su2200net and it uses an 80mm 24 volt DC fan. My question is can I somehow replace it with dual 12 volt fans of approximately the same current draw in series. This should look like a 24 volt device to the power supply in the UPS but would it cause me any electrical problems to do so? I would just stack the fans one on top of the other since I don't want to cut any holes into the UPS.

It should work well enough so long as you have two matching fans. Two different fans would work but you'd have to some math to calculate the voltage that would be present for each fan. You can look up a voltage diver calculator to make it easier.
Since fans tend not to be precision engineered to be exactly the same one will likely run a slightly different speed and you may get some odd acoustical artifacts with the fans stacked
387) Message boards : Number crunching : Discrepancy between BOINC crunching options for laptop and smartphones (Message 1840686)
Posted 7 Jan 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Both laptop and smartphones/tablet devices are battery-powered ones.
One could think they should have similar abilities for power-related crunching configurations.

But nope.
BOINC for laptops (actually, usual Winx64 one cause no special version):

- has ability to stop crunching if on battery.
- can't operate until battery x% empty.

So, it's not possible to implement crunching during short power cord unplugging (in case crunching on battery disallowed). Tasks will be suspended/resumed with corresponding overhead.

BOINC for smartphones:

- can operate until battery x% empty
-can't detect if power cord plugged (! this implemented in NativeBOINC of course, but that app incompatible with new devices)

So, if battery discharged enough but phone placed on charger, BOINC will not continue until battery will be charged until x%. That can take few hours of inefficient idling through the night.

Can we have BOINC options that will consistently implement power management of battery containing devices?

That is:
1) separate states for plugged/battery computations
2) separate state being on battery x% discharged.

That is, merge abilities of both BOINC versions, nothing really new required.

This will allow efficiently configure for operation in both mentioned scenarios.

I think power cord detection for Android devices can vary based on manufacture. For me the BOINC power options for detecting when plugged in and charging from the wall charger or a USB charging port work.
http://i.imgur.com/eQf10hn.png If a devices doesn't support the USB charging spec then setting the option for wall socket may not work I would guess.
I don't recall if only Battery is checked if computing stops when connected to a charger. I'm not currently running any projects on my Android devices.

The lack of a minimum battery level in the standard version of BOINC might be helpful to implement in the next version of BOINC. Since there are now Windows x86 tablets that run a standard OS.
388) Message boards : Number crunching : AMD AMD Radeon (sic) (Message 1840665)
Posted 7 Jan 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I was working on doing another GPU performance scan and noticed that the Coprocessor field for some hosts has "AMD AMD" eg this host reads "AMD AMD Radeon (TM) R9 Fury Series (4096MB) OpenCL: 2.0"

I suspect this is a new problem.

That is normal behavior. The BOINC server displays Vendor and then GPU Name. The OpenCL detection method for nonCAL GPUs uses the Board name value from OpenCL.


Also ever since Intel GPUs have been supported they have been displayed in the similar way.
INTEL Intel(R) HD Graphics 530 (3224MB) OpenCL: 2.0
389) Message boards : Number crunching : Driver Restart History? (Message 1840405)
Posted 6 Jan 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
As mentioned the Windows Event Log will have the record.
http://i.imgur.com/5KWvT4f.png
I believe the event ID you want to look for is 4101, but since you know exactly when your crashed happened you can look at the events for that time period to find it if the ID is not 4101.
You can right click and select to filter the view by ID if you want to find all of the crash events that are logged.
390) Message boards : Number crunching : Pine A64+ 2GB running 24/7 (Message 1840236)
Posted 5 Jan 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Glad to see this sparked some conversation. If anyone has anything they want me to check on this setup for them, please let me know.

I can even put it on a power meter with or without the table fan if anyone really wants to know exact energy consumption data.

If you have the time that would be great.

I've been looking that some of these devices for a while, but their actual efficiency when when running SETI@home work is typically worse than a desktop.
I normally calculate watt hours per task and compare efficiency that way.
My host 5837483 with an i5-4670K runs 4 MB tasks at once in about an hour while using between 97-102w
So if I use 102w and 60min run time.
(102w * 60min)/60)/4 = 25.5Wh per MB task
Before I added a GPU to my low power J1900 host. It would run 4 MB CPU tasks in about 6 hours while using 15-16w.
(16w * 360min)/60)/4 = 24Wh per MB task

Numbers I have from a Raspberry Pi2. To run 4 MB tasks took about 50 hours while using 2.5w.
(2.5w * 3000min)/60)/4 = 31.25Wh per MB task

Since the site lists that a 10w(5v@2A) PSU is needed for the Pine64+ I have a feeling it may have power usage in the 4-5w range. While that is low with task run times of about 35 hours that would be 35-43Wh per MB task.
391) Message boards : Number crunching : Android tablet computation slowing down with screen off (Message 1840232)
Posted 5 Jan 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Most probably it's tablet's firmware.
I encountered 2 different tablet models already that completely stop computations with screen OFF.
Would be good to decouple CPU throttling and screen light OFF, but seems on those models they bound together.
Not all Android devices behave in such way.

I found that out with my first android phone. A MyTouch 3G Slide. It would go from a max of 600MHz to only 300MHz with the screen off. So I run it with the brightness turned all the way down. My Samsung Galaxy S4 and Tab S2 seem to run full speed with the screen off or on with BOINC projects.

There might be CyanogenMods for some devices that would disable or allow the user to control the CPU throttling.
392) Message boards : Number crunching : Merging Hosts (Message 1840231)
Posted 5 Jan 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I guess it's the differing processor count - How did that happen?


It's a VM

There is a cc_config.xml option to override the number of processors BOINC thinks the system has.
You could try setting that to 6, setting the host name to match the old system, updating, and then see if it will allow a merge.
If that doesn't do it then plan B would be to set the new host to the old host ID. Which is actually a bit of a PITA. Backing up the data folder and dumping it on the new host of the easiest way to keep the old host ID without merging or stabbing BOINC with a stick.
393) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (104) Server Problems? (Message 1839815)
Posted 3 Jan 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Is anybody getting any work? I have not received any downloads since about 1:30pm Eastern Standard Time. Nothing is stuck or suspended, but I am just about of work units. Do we need to make any changes at our end because of the changes in the encryption? Just wondering if something wrong at my end.
Thanks.


I seen a problem where I had to tick off SETI@home v8 "YES" to get work on my Ubuntu box, even though it had Accept Other Work and was working fine before.

Thanks for the idea.

I changed:
Run only the selected applications AstroPulse v7: yes
SETI@home v8: no
If no work for selected applications is available, accept work from other applications? yes

- to:
Run only the selected applications AstroPulse v7: yes
SETI@home v8: yes
If no work for selected applications is available, accept work from other applications? yes

- and my PCs get again WUs.


Still the same...

Is this BUG reported to the admins?

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=80573&postid=1838907#1838907
394) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (104) Server Problems? (Message 1839796)
Posted 3 Jan 2017 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
If you checkout the Hosts in the Top 30 you'll find they have similar In Progress to Pending numbers. The difference becomes greater the Faster your Host is compared to the Average Wing-Person.
https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/top_hosts.php

If the User running all those Tesla K80s ever finds the Linux Special App it's all over. Or rather, he'll be all over the front page.

That person certainly has a lot of them, https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/hosts_user.php?userid=9299609. :-O

Cheers.


Yes and it seems the 8 K80's are really in groups of 3, how else do you explain the machine creation times.

8159697 Created 10 Dec 2016, 19:19:59 UTC
8159698 Created 10 Dec 2016, 19:19:59 UTC
8159699 Created 10 Dec 2016, 19:19:59 UTC
8159701 Created 10 Dec 2016, 19:20:02 UTC
8159702 Created 10 Dec 2016, 19:20:02 UTC
8159703 Created 10 Dec 2016, 19:20:02 UTC

Two batches of 3, 3 seconds apart, not sure I could do that!!

Also not all machines are running all the time

5 havent reported since the 10th, 11th and 12th of December .

Seems it could be another "test" using SETI@Home to test new clusters of machines.

Probably instances from AWS or a similar service. Depending on where you live the cost to buy, power, and maintain the hardware yourself can be more vs renting time for some cloud instances.
I have a few systems configured similarly in our development clouds at work and they seem to work pretty well.
395) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (104) Server Problems? (Message 1839213)
Posted 31 Dec 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I noticed my pendings shot up a few weeks ago, but several of my machines received a lot of shorties that the wingmates haven't returned yet around that time.
396) Message boards : Number crunching : Open Beta test: SoG for NVidia, Lunatics v0.45 - Beta6 (RC again) (Message 1839210)
Posted 31 Dec 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
With v0.45 installed, is there a way to download a newer app used on Main, then edit the app_info.xml from v0.45 accordingly?


You certainly can. I believe Ramster posted the files here somewhere.

Just put the new files in your folder, and carefully change the version numbers in your app_info
How about copying the requisite files from the Seti Beta directory to the Seti Main directory?  I think those files are

    ♦   mb_cmdline-8.22_windows_intel__opencl_nvidia_SoG.txt
    ♦   MultiBeam_Kernels_r3584.cl
    ♦   MultiBeam_Kernels_r3584.cl_GeForceGTX950.bin_V7_SoG_35900
    ♦   r3584_IntelRCoreTMi76700KCPU400GHz_x86.wisdom
    ♦   setiathome_8.22_windows_intelx86__opencl_nvidia_SoG.exe


Two of those files
MultiBeam_Kernels_r3584.cl_GeForceGTX950.bin_V7_SoG_35900
r3584_IntelRCoreTMi76700KCPU400GHz_x86.wisdom
Are created when you run the app.
397) Message boards : Number crunching : exclude GPU in cc_config (Message 1839152)
Posted 31 Dec 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
That won't work because the card will attempt to pull the power it needs from the PCIe bus. Which leads to caterwauling GPU fans and quick system crash. Know from experience what happens when you forget to plug in those PCIe cables.


For AMD Fiji based cards, the card is disabled if the power cable is removed. I ran my triple produo block like this until fixed drivers were released. It worked perfectly fine, with only 1 power plug removed the card was completely disabled.

What they described also goes against the PCIe specification. Sounds like whichever manufacture they had that experience with should be avoided if they can't be bothered to fulls a spec.
398) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows 10 - Yea or Nay? (Message 1838285)
Posted 28 Dec 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have a HP PC which started in Windows 8, then 8.1, then 10. I am getting Windows 10 updates every month, which happen by night, so I cannot suspend my BOINC projects before a reboot. This disturbs CERN projects using VirtualBox.
Tullio

You can use task scheduler and schedule BOINC to stop before the update starts.
399) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (104) Server Problems? (Message 1838172)
Posted 28 Dec 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Well today's 9.5hr long outrage saw my 1060's out of work for 6 minutes this time before the servers came back online, another few more minutes and I would've grabbed some backup work for them (so much for that 3-4hr notice these days). :-(

Cheers.

When were those exactly? It seems like 5-6 has been more typical for the past few years at least.
400) Message boards : Number crunching : Portable BOINC Client (Message 1837693)
Posted 24 Dec 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I tried PE but failed in integrating OpenCL.

Which version of PE were you using? At one point they change the command for integrating drivers in the AIK.
For versions of Windows PE before 3.0
Peimg /inf="C:\driver\driver.inf" "D:\PE3_1_x64\sources\mount\Windows"
For versions of Windows PE after 3.0
Dism /image:D:\PE3_1_x64\sources\mount /Add-Driver /driver:C:\driver /recurse
401) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (104) Server Problems? (Message 1837566)
Posted 23 Dec 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Some of the "biggest, baddest" supercomputers means to me most likely the top 10 or 20.

I don't know about you lot but I cannot see why seti@home shouldn't OFFICIALLY rank at No.218 in the top 500 super computers list, I think the project has deserved it don't you?

BOINC combined brings together about 311,742 active participants and 834,343 active computers (hosts) worldwide processing on average 11.747 PetaFLOPS as of 24 March 2016.
So what position should Boinc be in the top 500?

I suppose the strict interpretation of the rules for the top 500 Supercomputers would mean in practice that the computer in question was in it's entirety in one physical place. Seti and BOINC by their very nature are "distributed" therefore they wouldn't match that criteria. But it would be pretty mean not to include them would you not think?

The Top500 list is based on a specific benchmark https://www.top500.org/project/linpack/.
Given the value that BOINC generates for FLOPs can be rather sketchy I don't imagine any organization would use its output as a legitimate benchmark. It is not even useful to compare different BOINC projects.

Generally Supercomputers are in one location as the high speed interconnects they use tend to be limited in maximum length. I'm not sure that how far apart the computing nodes are is in the definition of a Supercomputer. More so that the nodes are interconnected.
Where in a system such as BOINC each node is independent and there is no inter-node communication.
402) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (104) Server Problems? (Message 1837536)
Posted 23 Dec 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Well, as it stands right now, Seti is the most successful distributed computing project on the planet.
Amassing a power, as far as I know, greater than some of the biggest baddest supercomputers on the planet.

Not quite Mark :-)

With over 145,000 active computers in the system (1.4 million total) in 233 countries, as of 23 June 2013, SETI@home had the ability to compute over 668 teraFLOPS. For comparison, the Tianhe-2 computer, which as of 23 June 2013 was the world's fastest supercomputer, was able to compute 33.86 petaFLOPS (approximately 50 times greater).


. . But at those numbers it puts us in the ballpark :), only 50 times greater is a good achievement for us :).

Stephen

.

The references supercomputer was actually#1 as of 2015-11. As of 2016-06 it was overtaken by one that benchmarks nearly 3 times faster. https://www.top500.org/list/2016/11/
If the benchmark figures of the Top500 list were comparable to our computing numbers then we would be sitting at #218 on the Top500 list.
Even though the numbers are not directly comparable I would say the kitteh persons statement "Amassing a power, as far as I know, greater than some of the biggest baddest supercomputers on the planet." is most certainly true. SETI@home has a very respectable amount of computing power supporting it.
403) Message boards : Number crunching : Building a 32 thread xeon system doesn't need to cost a lot (Message 1837328)
Posted 22 Dec 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
http://bfy.tw/94h7

Umm.. I already have SP1 installed, but thanks for the Google link! lol

I was looking for the one that I remember people referencing when they had massively long searching for updates when doing a WIndows Update in Win 7, taking a day or more. I know it was discussed here, I just couldn't find it.

Ah I had misread your post & thought you were having issues finding THE SP for Win 7. It makes more sense that you were looking for the rollup packages.
If I need a specific update of some kind to run an app I'll grab that KB by itself from the download center. Otherwise for my machines I go with 7 SP1 & don't bother with any updates.
404) Message boards : Number crunching : Building a 32 thread xeon system doesn't need to cost a lot (Message 1837264)
Posted 22 Dec 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
http://bfy.tw/94h7
405) Message boards : Number crunching : Portable BOINC Client (Message 1837113)
Posted 21 Dec 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
OK, I will see if I can make Windows PE images with BOINC installed, and perhaps the drivers required. I will also see if I can do both x86 and x64 versions

I find it is better to not make BOINC part of the PE image. Instead I place it on the flash drive that PE boots from.
Then if anything BOINC related needs to change I don't have to redo everything in the AIK.
406) Message boards : Number crunching : Portable BOINC Client (Message 1837106)
Posted 20 Dec 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
OK I understand, for your portable BOINC you want the OS and everything. So you can just stick in a flash drive and boot the system from it?

I've made Windows PE images for that. Which really only consisted of installing the GPU drivers I needed and modifying the startup so it would launch BOINC from the flash drive.
407) Message boards : Number crunching : Portable BOINC Client (Message 1836983)
Posted 19 Dec 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Great ! Thx to HAL9000

It worked, not perfectly (no data loss) , but it worked so far.

If you want to have your GUI settings as well.
1. Set BOINC Manager like you want.
2. Close BOINC Manager (so we are sure it writes its settings to the reg)
3. Export HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Space Sciences Laboratory, U.C. Berkeley
Then you can import your settings when you move to a new machine.

Besides clicking a .reg file to import it you can use the command line, reg add boinc_settings.reg, to import your saved settings.
408) Message boards : Number crunching : Portable BOINC Client (Message 1836932)
Posted 19 Dec 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hey folks, a portable (useable,new) BOINC client can be found , where ?

Thanks for helping

Greetings

For Windows:
1. Install BOINC.
2. Copy application folder somewhere to be used later.
3. Uninstall BOINC.
4. Remove all registry entries for Space Sciences Laboratory, U.C. Berkeley.
5. Place BOINC app files in desired location. Such as F:\BOINC
6. Create data folder. Such as F:\BOINC\Data or F:\Data
Then when starting BOINC you can use a command line options such as boinc.exe --dir %~d0\BOINC\Data or boinc.exe --dir %~d0\Data to tell BOINC where the data folder is located.

If you don't specify a data folder BOINC will use the app folder as the data folder. Which is how I run it on most of my systems. As I don't actually Install BOINC. I just deploy the app folder, normally to D:\BOINC or E:\BOINC, and then run everything from there.
My standard .bat I use to launch BOINC
pushd %~dp0
boinc.exe --detach
start boincmgr.exe /s
409) Message boards : Number crunching : Building a 32 thread xeon system doesn't need to cost a lot (Message 1836877)
Posted 19 Dec 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I've never looked for CAD files. The most I've gone for is the specification diagram that shows where everything is located. Perhaps you could use that to make your CAD file?

For the Dual E5's in the Core X9 case I used a few of these stands-offs where the SSI-EEB didn't match up wit the E-ATX holes in the MB tray.


For my dual LGA771 system I ended up finding a backplate that let me secure the heatsinks. So I didn't need to find a MB try or case to mount the MB.
410) Message boards : Number crunching : BOINC 7.6.33 improved AMD GPU detection (Message 1836776)
Posted 18 Dec 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Jason wrote:
Though I'm pretty sure they don't have the development resources.
Yup.

Jeff wrote:
Not exactly promoting it as an important reason to upgrade, are they?
Who 'they'? Jord (Ageless) wrote those notes, and I've just added the line about the error code fix. BOINC will only improve if volunteers contribute to the process.

I believe Ageless had recently messaged D.A. asking that 7.6.33 be put up for download. Even if it were listed as a dev version.

Also the OpenCL name detection was introduced in build 7.6.23, which was released nearly a year ago.
411) Message boards : Number crunching : AMD processors? (Message 1836694)
Posted 18 Dec 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Take a look here.
Excerpt:
    ♦  The 8 core, 16 thread RYZEN CPU has a TDP of 95 watts, 45 watts less than its direct Intel competitor.
    ♦  The 8 core 16 thread RYZEN CPU competes with Intel’s fastest 8 core 16 thread offering, the $1199 Broadwell-E. i7 6900K, in terms of features and performance and exceeds it in power efficiency.


Many times in the past similar comparisons have been done, and not borne fruit on general release production hardware. Given the lack of hype over the current release, i'm very hopeful that this time they will be true comparisons.
But i'll wait to see what publicly purchasable hardware does before I get my hopes up too much.

More important TDP != power consumption it is Thermal Design Power, or how much heat the cooling system is expected to handle.
Depending on the designed thermal limits the TDP for a product can be adjusted up or down. Often the same product is marketed under multiple TDPs for different scenarios.

AMD has a long history of making claims and not actually delivering. So we will not really know the facts until reviewers get a chance look it over.
412) Message boards : Number crunching : How can I put a photo on my profile? (Message 1836474)
Posted 17 Dec 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Select Project > Account > edit community prefs. Then under Avatar select Use a Globally Recognized Avatar provided by Gravatar.com or Use this uploaded avatar.
The file limits are listed to the left.
413) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows 10 - Yea or Nay? (Message 1836288)
Posted 16 Dec 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Another consumer fights back against Windows 10 pushiness and wins
He got $650 and an apology, which is more than most people have gotten.

Jesse Worley, an independent IT contractor, had set up a Windows 7 machine to look like Windows XP for his grandfather, who was suffering from Alzheimer's disease. One of the palliative ways of treating the condition is to surround the sufferer with the familiar, so Worley wanted to make the Windows 7 PC look like XP, which his grandfather knew well before the condition struck.

...
In a lengthy post on his personal website (he eschews all social media, so it took a while for his story to get around), Worley documents the process. Like every other Windows 7 user, Worley's grandfather was bombarded with the Get Windows X (GWX) app.

"My grandfather knows better than to say 'yes' to things that randomly pop up on his screen, so we had absolutely no problem explaining to him that Windows 10 wasn’t something we needed, and that when it came up he just needed to say no. He did so successfully for more than 6 months while Microsoft bothered him with the same pop-up over and over and over again, and would have continued to do so if Microsoft hadn’t gone out of their way to trick him," he wrote.

As I had mentioned previously. I had setup a Windows 7 VM and let it sit. When I checked on it sometime later I found I had a Windows 10 VM. Since the "free upgrade" period is over. I was thinking about trying that again to see what would happen.
414) Message boards : Number crunching : SETI@home v8.19 Windows GPU applications support thread (Message 1836286)
Posted 16 Dec 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
So, the kitties wish to drink the kool-aid.
And I am not in the mood to do things piecemeal.

Are things stable enough that we might see an installer soon?
Or is this tweaking going to go on forever?

Please do not consider me as being impatient.
I have been waiting for a long while now.
And I assure you, I would not want it released until ready.

Just wondering.

Meow.

The Beta6 installer includes r3557/8.20 if you are looking for that version.
Beta is currently pushing out 8.21 or r3571 for non-SoG and r3578 for SoG builds.

LOL...HAL9000..................
The kitties are trying to wait until the apps are stable enough for an official installer to be released.
Makes things much easier when trying to upgrade 8 crunchers.
I realize that the apps are still being worked on and being improved.
But with tongue in cheek, I must say this is starting to resemble the old adage.............
If you always wait to buy the most advanced version of something, you shall never buy anything.

I am really not complaining too loudly. I know that people are working long and hard on this.
So please take my anxiousness with a grain of salt.
I just wish to take advantage of the latest and greatest, but want the easy way to do it................LOL.
Can you say 'cake and eat it too?'

I have learned many things in this life. But patience was never one of them. Please forgive me.

Meow.

As someone once said "I need to learn patience ? How long will that take?" :P

I'm not sure the "Beta" in the installer is 100% correct. As some versions contain apps that have been released on Main. I think "Beta5" contains v8.19 apps and v8.19 is the current application version for Main.
However Beta is already on v8.22. Maybe if it performs as expected it will be released to Main. I'm not sure about all of the changes between the app versions, but recently lowering the applications system memory usage has been the focus.
415) Message boards : Number crunching : New BOINC performance-oriented feature request (Message 1836281)
Posted 16 Dec 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
With almost all modern computing devices we see smooth load balancing.
CPU and GPU drop frequency with overheating gradually. OS implements different power plan classes.
But BOINC has only 2-state load balance scheme: GPU device (it's more actual for GPU than CPU cause GPU apps usually more tunable) either run or left idle.

I propose to change this scheme a little: to add third option.
With user activity GPU computation can be stopped fully (as currently) or GPU app can be switched to different user-provided plan class options set (that is, switch from "user-idle" app_config.xml to "user-active" app_info.xml).
In those 2 app_info.xml files differetn tuning lines can be specified. More aggressive performance oriented with GUI lags for "user-idle" and less demanding for comfortable user work.

Having BOINC automatically switch between these states will allow to use currently wasted time of user activity (with idle GPU if corresponding BOINC option set) or to improve maximum optimization that currently unreachable for PCs where GUI needed for user actions too.

As additional bonus BOINC could inform app about current user activity state for auto-tuning ability.

I've done something similar with GPU tuning and the mb_cmdline.txt files on systems with slower GPUs. Where I would have multiple configurations, like mb_cmdline_low.txt & mb_cmdline_high.txt. Then run a script tthat would toggle GPUs to not running, replace mb_cmdline.txt with mb_cmdline_low.txt & mb_cmdline_high.txt, and then toggle GPUs to running.
I have tried a few times to times to use the Windows "at idle" event with scheduled tasks, but it never seems to work as expected.
416) Message boards : Number crunching : AMD processors? (Message 1836278)
Posted 16 Dec 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Are they really at such a disadvantage compared to Intel CPU's?

For work done at a given clock speed, Intel CPUs leave them way behind. For power usage for a given workload, Intel CPUs leave them way behind. For work done & power used, AMD isn't even in the race.
However AMD are shortly releasing a new CPU architecture, and if any of the initial indications are even halfway accurate, AMD will finally be able to put some pressure on Intel again.

It's been about a decade and a half. So they are due to release something competitive again . I didn't mind the days of getting top end Intel CPUs for ~$300 vs ~$1000 where they are back up to again.
Maybe they will even have ALUs with good performance this time. I'm expecting they will not, but we will have to wait to find out.

One thing AMD does have going for them is their APUs have better integrated graphics compared to Intel, but that's what buying ATI will do for you.
417) Message boards : Number crunching : SETI@Home CPU cores (Message 1835978)
Posted 15 Dec 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hmm, it wasnt struggling for ram as far as I could tell, but never the less i've increased RAM by a few GB for the VM and it seems to be spawning more processes (thus using more CPU now)

cheers :)

They were actually talking about how the limits in your BOINC Computing preferences
You can change the BOINC limits instead of increasing the RAM for the VM.

My settings may be overkill for most people.
418) Message boards : Number crunching : Dual Cpu spliting so one cpu does seti and on normal coputing (Message 1835916)
Posted 14 Dec 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Is it possible i have dual cpu pc and is it possible to use one cpu for surfing and youtube, and other only for seti.

thanks

BOINC doesn't really have any controls for that itself.
On your Windows machine you can start BOINC using start /AFFINITY.
A post I made some times ago might be helpful if you have not use that command before.
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=67088&postid=1200171#1200171

Additionally you would have to tell BOINC to use fewer cores. Which you can do in BOINC Managervia the "use at most n% prcessors" or in the cc_config.xml with <ncpus>n</ncpus>
419) Message boards : Number crunching : Building a 32 thread xeon system doesn't need to cost a lot (Message 1835724)
Posted 13 Dec 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I guess now that I have two I can start breeding them. That's how it works right?

[ img]http://i.imgur.com/O7tDTBZ.jpg[/img]


What case is that? i must have it!

Thermaltake Core X9 and when it arrived I thought someone had left a small refrigerator on my doorstep.
I had not properly mentally prepared myself for just how big it was going to be.

Also the MB mounting holes are for E-ATX and not SSI-EEB. So you will either need to drill some holes or use other stand-offs if you plan to put a SSI-EEB MB in like I did.
420) Message boards : Number crunching : SETI@home v8.19 Windows GPU applications support thread (Message 1835694)
Posted 13 Dec 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
So, the kitties wish to drink the kool-aid.
And I am not in the mood to do things piecemeal.

Are things stable enough that we might see an installer soon?
Or is this tweaking going to go on forever?

Please do not consider me as being impatient.
I have been waiting for a long while now.
And I assure you, I would not want it released until ready.

Just wondering.

Meow.

The Beta6 installer includes r3557/8.20 if you are looking for that version.
Beta is currently pushing out 8.21 or r3571 for non-SoG and r3578 for SoG builds.
421) Message boards : Number crunching : What it could mean? (Message 1835652)
Posted 12 Dec 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Perhaps the fix for HDDs coming up as ejectable could be adapted to PCIe.
http://superuser.com/questions/12955/how-can-i-remove-the-option-to-eject-sata-drives-from-the-windows-7-tray-icon
422) Message boards : Number crunching : SETI@home v8.19 Windows GPU applications support thread (Message 1835398)
Posted 11 Dec 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
So just wanted to have input on how much instances I should be running?

Running 1 WU would do more work per hour than running 4.

& Reistmer, can you answer me why OpenCL jobs (SoG 8.19) uses so much more CPU power than the CUDA ones?! example, SoG 8.19 uses 25% of CPU, while 8.01 CUDA42 uses about 5%...
:/

It's doing more work, so it needs more support from the CPU.

My understanding is that OpenCL has more overhead than CUDA. A bit like comparing C to Assembly I believe.
423) Message boards : Number crunching : Open Beta test: SoG for NVidia, Lunatics v0.45 - Beta6 (RC again) (Message 1835379)
Posted 11 Dec 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I haven't updated the version number in my app_info in a while. It still says 8.00.
I should probably get around to updating those someday.
424) Message boards : Number crunching : as seen on Ebay... (Message 1835263)
Posted 10 Dec 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
nowadays the upscale seti farm could use 3.3kW easily.

These days a single machine can use half of that.
425) Message boards : Number crunching : as seen on Ebay... (Message 1835215)
Posted 10 Dec 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Looks like a chassis sans blades is only $500-$600 and it holds 16. So you would be set if you picked one up every so often.
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_sacat=0&_nkw=Dell+PowerEdge+M1000E+Chassis&_sop=12
426) Message boards : Number crunching : as seen on Ebay... (Message 1835209)
Posted 10 Dec 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
That's not to bad for a blade in that configuration. Then you would just need a chassis to put it in.
427) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows 10 - Yea or Nay? (Message 1835081)
Posted 10 Dec 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
12/9/2016 7:04:45 PM		Starting BOINC client version 7.6.23 for windows_x86_64
12/9/2016 7:04:45 PM		log flags: sched_ops
12/9/2016 7:04:45 PM		Libraries: libcurl/7.45.0 OpenSSL/1.0.2d zlib/1.2.8
12/9/2016 7:04:45 PM		Data directory: C:\BOINC
12/9/2016 7:04:50 PM		CUDA: NVIDIA GPU 0: GeForce GTX 950M (driver version 375.70, CUDA version 8.0, compute capability 5.0, 2048MB, 1689MB available, 1188 GFLOPS peak)
12/9/2016 7:04:50 PM		OpenCL: NVIDIA GPU 0: GeForce GTX 950M (driver version 375.70, device version OpenCL 1.2 CUDA, 2048MB, 1689MB available, 1188 GFLOPS peak)
12/9/2016 7:04:50 PM		OpenCL: Intel GPU 0: Intel(R) HD Graphics 530 (driver version 21.20.16.4542, device version OpenCL 2.0, 3225MB, 3225MB available, 202 GFLOPS peak)
12/9/2016 7:04:50 PM		OpenCL: Intel GPU 1: Intel(R) HD Graphics 530 (driver version 21.20.16.4542, device version OpenCL 2.0, 3225MB, 3225MB available, 202 GFLOPS peak)
12/9/2016 7:04:50 PM		OpenCL CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-6700HQ CPU @ 2.60GHz (OpenCL driver vendor: Intel(R) Corporation, driver version 6.6.0.370, device version OpenCL 2.0 (Build 370))
12/9/2016 7:04:50 PM		OpenCL CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-6700HQ CPU @ 2.60GHz (OpenCL driver vendor: Intel(R) Corporation, driver version 6.6.0.370, device version OpenCL 2.0 (Build 370))

My new notebook, that unfortunately came with Windows 10, did some update while I wasn't paying attention. and not I seem to have two Intel GPUs in BOINC. No where else in the system reports two and it's the same driver as prior to the updates getting installed... So that's fun!

I guess I'll be spending the weekend figuring out how to fix that...
428) Message boards : Number crunching : Building a 32 thread xeon system doesn't need to cost a lot (Message 1835065)
Posted 9 Dec 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I guess now that I have two I can start breeding them. That's how it works right?

429) Message boards : Number crunching : New Build - Triple Pro Duo (Message 1835046)
Posted 9 Dec 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
With the latest drivers from AMD, my Triple ProDuo system is now processing with all 6 GPUs! The system is pulling 1150W.

It's a good thing you sorted out your power infrastructure.
430) Message boards : Number crunching : SETI@Home CPU cores (Message 1835041)
Posted 9 Dec 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hi

It sees the correct number of cores, but it only uses about 80% CPU - I've made sure the preferences are set for 100% so i assume its just the individual processes that spawn under boinc arent maxing out the cores

If you are using local preferences you might want to give clearing them a try. You can also delete global_prefs_override.xml before starting BOINC.
Sometimes BOINC gets a little off kilter and that helps it out.
431) Message boards : Number crunching : SETI/BOINC Milestones [ v2.0 ] - XXIX (Message 1835012)
Posted 9 Dec 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Good job sticking with it guys.
In a few months we are going to need an 18 year club thread.
Welcome to the 17 Year Club!
Welcome to the 16 Year Club!
Welcome to the 15 Year Club!
Welcome to the 14 Year Club!
Welcome to the 13 Year Club!
Welcome to the 12 Year Club!
Welcome to the 11 Year Club!
Welcome to the 10 Year Club!
Welcome to the 9 Year Club!
Welcome to the 8 Year Club!
Welcome to the 7 Year Club!
432) Message boards : Number crunching : Azure N Series NVIDIA Based VMS (cannot find GPU) (Message 1834926)
Posted 9 Dec 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
My issue is that Microsoft seems to block any other application. eg. Teamviewer. RADMIN, VNC.

You likely need to open the firewall ports for the specific app you are using. From memory I want to say VNC uses port 5900 by default. Where RDP uses port 3389.
Normally when installing one of those apps in a Windows OS it will port you asking if it OS for the installer to open the OS port. It may list the port number then, or you can look in the firewall settings after it completes.

So you will have to not only have that port open in the OS firewall but also in the Azure settings. At least if Azure is anything like AWS or Google Cloud.
We use AWS at work and I've played with Google Cloud & they were very similar as far at what was needed to be done to open ports for apps.

Also as I mentioned before. If you want to control BOINC remotely you would have to open port 31416 for the same reason.
433) Message boards : Number crunching : i7 970 Power Tuning Failures (Message 1834923)
Posted 9 Dec 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
With credit being variable. I don't consider it a useful performance indicator. specially given how easy it is to game the system and gain more credit than should be awarded.

Task run times and the AR of the given task are really all that can be used to accurately compare performance.
434) Message boards : Number crunching : i7 970 Power Tuning Failures (Message 1834890)
Posted 9 Dec 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I'm sitting at 777 right now. How many do you do per day on your 3x 1070 system?

Unfortunately when we get a bunch of shorties that number does skyrocket.

Since the only NV GPU's I've bought in the last 10+ years are a GTX 8800 & a 750ti I expect you are thinking of one of Shaggie's system with 3 GTX 1070's instead of mine.
435) Message boards : Number crunching : Azure N Series NVIDIA Based VMS (cannot find GPU) (Message 1834881)
Posted 8 Dec 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
You can keep trying if you like, but it still isn't going to work unless you feel up to writing your own version of BOINC.
He'd have to do more than that - he'd have to re-write the Microsoft RDP graphics driver.

I figured rewriting software would be an easier first step, but to be fair I don't know their coding skill set. So the RDP driver might be an easier first step for them
Personally give the number of other options I would pick any of them first.
436) Message boards : Number crunching : Azure N Series NVIDIA Based VMS (cannot find GPU) (Message 1834878)
Posted 8 Dec 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Strange, strange. I install x86 version of boinc and seems to see GPU

12/8/2016 10:01:17 PM | | (to change preferences, visit a project web site or select Preferences in the Manager)
12/8/2016 10:01:17 PM | | Resuming GPU computation
12/8/2016 10:01:17 PM | | Remote desktop in use; disabling GPU tasks
12/8/2016 10:01:19 PM | SETI@home | Started download of setiathome_8.19_windows_intelx86__opencl_nvidia_SoG.exe
12/8/2016 10:01:19 PM | SETI@home | Started download of libfftw3f-3-3-4_x86.dll

BOINC does not work with RDP. It is telling you that.
You can keep trying if you like, but it still isn't going to work unless you feel up to writing your own version of BOINC.

Optionally you could just configure BOINC for remote access and connect to the BOINC instance remotely using BOINC Manager instead of RDPing to the machine itself. Then you shouldn't have any issues using the GPUs. At least until you RDP into the system.
437) Message boards : Number crunching : i7 970 Power Tuning Failures (Message 1834846)
Posted 8 Dec 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Shaggy, I've been keeping an eye on my Linux box this morning and my 1070s are completing one of the VLAR/Guppi tasks in around 4 minutes. It was taking about twice that on Win10. I can't tell exactly how many results the GPUs, alone, did yesterday, but the computer (2x1070 and 5 cores running on a 980x) did just a shade under 90k yesterday. When that computer was 18th place, I was using the computer as my main desktop, now it's free to devote all of its resources to SETI, with the exception of Squid Web Cache, which won't take that big of a toll on CPU usage. I bet that computer gets me in the top 15 this time, with only 2x1070s.

It's going to make you jealous enough to switch to Linux. :D

If you look at your app details you will see Number of tasks today . The reset for that seems to be ~18:00 UTC. For SETI@home v8 (anonymous platform, NVIDIA GPU) you have 442 for your Linux box at the moment.
438) Message boards : Number crunching : i7 970 Power Tuning Failures (Message 1834800)
Posted 8 Dec 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Check my computer with the dual 1070s in about a month and compare it to your Windows system. I suspect that my 2 cards under Linux, running one instance per GPU, will outperform your 3-GPU system. Nobody who runs the special sauce app on Linux runs more than 1 task at a time, because it's not necessary, the usage on Linux is more thorough with this app.

I also purchased a monster today, an AMD R9 Fury (3580 cores). They're on sale on Newegg for $259. On the AMD side, the Furys (Fiji) pretty much rule the roost. I'm going to put it in my 6700K system with the AMD 290 and see what they can do. That's almost 6000 GPU cores of computing power (~14 teraflops). I don't think they'll beat my 1070s, though...and my power bill is about to go up. Once AMD gets the issues with GCN 1 cards squared away with their drivers, I might move that system to Linux too. I'm really not a fan of Windows.

I've not been impressed with the performance of the Fury cards compared to my R9 390x, but at that price I'm really tempted to grab one to play with. There is a $20 rebate on it as well. Which would basically cover the tax for me.


If you look at the "top gpus" list, the fuji GPUs are the highest performers, followed by the RX 4xx series (at less than 90% of the performance of the Fuji cards) and it's downhill from there. The 390x has over 2800 cores, iirc, so the Fury should out-perform it by a bit, but I doubt it will be a huge gain and I'd be very, very surprised if it's more than 10-12%.

The price went up to $299 (down to $279 with the rebate), which is still a pretty good deal.

The "Top GPUs" should always be taken with a large grain of salt. The ranking isn't necessarily a true reflection of a GPUs performance. Case in point is the #1 and #2 rankings. "AMD Radeon (TM) R9 Fury Series" is the GPU description that anyone with BOINC 7.6.23+ will get for the Fury card & "Fiji" is what anyone with BOINC 7.6.22 or older will get. So since those are all the same cards why are the "Fiji" ones ~40% slower?

With the 390x's 2816 cores vs a Fury's 3584 you would think that the Fury would be at least 25% faster, but he fact is that the task run times are within a few seconds of each other.
439) Message boards : News : Web site upgrade (Message 1834721)
Posted 7 Dec 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Any ideas if there is a way to get my kitty banner and Boincstats block to display side by side again instead of one over the other?
Before the forum update, I was able to do this by putting the img lines one after the other, with no space between them.
[img]http://bluenorthernsoftware.com/k.php[/img][img]http://boincstats.com/signature/-1/user/461/sig.png[/img]

I have not changed anything, but now the forum will not do that.


Meow?

One of the attributes that's being assigned to your images when the page is actually created is "display: block". It probably needs to be "display: inline" (which is normally the default) to get it to display the way it used to. Nothing you can change. It's up to the guy doing his Alpha testing in production.

OK....thanks for that input.
Now all I can do is hope that Dr. Anderson picks up on this and is willing to correct it.
Not a huge deal for me, but I originally did it to save vertical space in the forums.

Meow.

It isn't just in signatures. When making a post it is also stacking the images instead of putting them side by side.


Which doesn't sound like a huge issue. Unless you trying to post several images side by side for comparison. Then your post may become very long.
440) Message boards : News : SETI@home Fall 2016 Fundraiser (Message 1834717)
Posted 7 Dec 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I hope Breakthrough Listen are providing some funding seeing as it's some of increase in data being crunched is theirs.

From what I understand there is funding, but it's created more work than the funding covers.
I'm going to make up numbers. Lets say every $1 of funding is creating $10 of work & no one is providing the other $9. So resources are spread super thin.
441) Message boards : Number crunching : i7 970 Power Tuning Failures (Message 1834704)
Posted 7 Dec 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Check my computer with the dual 1070s in about a month and compare it to your Windows system. I suspect that my 2 cards under Linux, running one instance per GPU, will outperform your 3-GPU system. Nobody who runs the special sauce app on Linux runs more than 1 task at a time, because it's not necessary, the usage on Linux is more thorough with this app.

I also purchased a monster today, an AMD R9 Fury (3580 cores). They're on sale on Newegg for $259. On the AMD side, the Furys (Fiji) pretty much rule the roost. I'm going to put it in my 6700K system with the AMD 290 and see what they can do. That's almost 6000 GPU cores of computing power (~14 teraflops). I don't think they'll beat my 1070s, though...and my power bill is about to go up. Once AMD gets the issues with GCN 1 cards squared away with their drivers, I might move that system to Linux too. I'm really not a fan of Windows.

I've not been impressed with the performance of the Fury cards compared to my R9 390x, but at that price I'm really tempted to grab one to play with. There is a $20 rebate on it as well. Which would basically cover the tax for me.
442) Message boards : Number crunching : Fundraising time....Green stars for sale! (Message 1834699)
Posted 7 Dec 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The real question is how much does a blue star cost. Green is only my 3rd favorite color.
443) Message boards : Number crunching : Missing link (Message 1834591)
Posted 7 Dec 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
For me, I click on "Log In" (top right menu bar) and then, after entering name and password, "Account" appears in the Project pull down. Of course after "logging in" you're in your Account page anyway so no real need to go to Project->Account, but that would be the path to get back to Account after browsing message boards, for example.

This is from the Server Status page.........that is where it is not working.

By the way......none of the dropdown menus work on this page now.
Edit: the dropdowns started working on that page for me again, but the Account link is still missing .

It is missing all of the account features.
Project > Account
Project > Join
Signup if logged out or your User Name if signed in.
Log in if logged out or Log out if signed in.
444) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows 10 - Yea or Nay? (Message 1834590)
Posted 7 Dec 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Say goodbye to the MS-DOS command prompt
It had a good 36-year run, but its day is done

Late last month, in Windows 10 Preview Build 14791, the command prompt was put out to pasture. Dona Sarkar, head of the Windows Insider Program, wrote, “PowerShell is now the defacto command shell from File Explorer. It replaces Command Prompt (aka, cmd.exe).”

That “defacto” suggests that it’s not all over for the command prompt. And it’s true that you can still opt out of the default by opening Settings > Personalization > Taskbar, and turning “Replace Command Prompt with Windows PowerShell in the menu when I right-click the Start button or press Windows key+X” to “Off.”

But you might as well wave bye-bye to the old command prompt. Build 14791 isn’t just any beta. It’s the foundation for the Redstone 2 upgrade, a.k.a. Windows 10 SP2. This is the future of Windows 10, and it won’t include this oldest of Microsoft software relics.

They can have my command prompt when they pry it from my cold dead hands!
445) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (104) Server Problems? (Message 1834493)
Posted 6 Dec 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Quite a lot of the SSP is still 10 hours behind. That usually means some of the servers aren't talking to each other.

One of them must have said something the others didn't like.
Hopefully everything recovers in short enough order.
446) Message boards : Number crunching : i7 970 Power Tuning Failures (Message 1834323)
Posted 5 Dec 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
When you said SpeedStep didn't make any difference. How did you have your OS processor power settings set?
For my i7-860 I have found that even at idle dropping the clock reduced the power usage. However one of the biggest power drops was reducing the memory voltage from 1.5 to 1.35. I had DIMMs with a profile that supported that voltage. I don't know if all DIMMs will be OK that low.
447) Message boards : Cafe SETI : 12-3-2016 - Using Color-That-Site for Firefox. (Message 1834200)
Posted 5 Dec 2016 by Profile HAL9000
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It looks like settings can be exported & imported. So I figured I'd export mine in the event someone finds it useful.
I applied the settings to the Domain berkley.edu so Main, Beta, & the BOINC site all look pretty much the same. This can be change be selecting Settings and then changing to Site to change each site separately.
My color that site settings <- You may need to select Save link as...
448) Message boards : Number crunching : Exclusive app (Message 1834195)
Posted 5 Dec 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
You could try using boinccmd to suspend BOINC for a given duration using --set_run_mode never N. Where N is seconds. That way it would automatically start running again if you didn't do anything.
On one of my older notebooks I would use to watch netflix while going to sleep I would use a .bat along the lines of:
boinccmd --set_run_mode never 7200
timeout 7200 /nobreak & taskkill /im firefox.exe /t /f
449) Message boards : Cafe SETI : 12-3-2016 - Using Color-That-Site for Firefox. (Message 1834179)
Posted 5 Dec 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
And for those that can't find the link that TL talked about in his first post (due to inertia or whatever else) - here it is:
http://www.htmlgoodies.com/beyond/webmaster/toolbox/article.php/3919261/Firefox-Extension-for-Web-Development-Color-That-Site.htm

In my original post I provided the link on the Mozilla site for the add-on.
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/color-that-site/

The the site you references does provide better instructions. I think it took me 15-20min of playing around to figure out how to use the add-on originally.
I probably would have been done in <2min with their instructions.
I went with setting that are a bit in between the new scheme and the original.
See here & here
450) Message boards : Number crunching : GPU testing on low powered CPU (Message 1833130)
Posted 29 Nov 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
In an interesting turn of events. The GTX 950M in my new notebook is the same GM107 configuration, with a slightly lower GPU clock, as the 750Ti . Paired with a much faster CPU, 3.3GHz i7, the CPU time for tasks is a bit lower, but tasks time is about as expected for the GPU.
451) Message boards : Number crunching : Safe Shutdown (Message 1833042)
Posted 28 Nov 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
When I was running ~30 machines. many of them rack servers, I used the UPS management software to control BOINC via boinccmd.
I setup one machine per UPS to handle the events. Which would handle BOINC for all on the systems on the given UPS. So it would be the last to shutdown & first to power on.
From memory I had set it up along the lines of:
On battery > 60 seconds: boinccmd --set_run_mode mode duration never 1200
On battery > 300 seconds: boinccmd --set_run_mode mode duration never
On battery > 900 seconds: Do a system shutdown
On AC > 600 seconds: boinccmd --set_run_mode mode duration auto


Were you using a generic UPS management tool or something from the UPS maker? I assume that with SNMP protocol, it would be possible to develop alternative tools for this. The software that came with my UPS network management card doesn't seem to have the flexibility that you described., so I am looking for an alternative.

The software I was using was the enterprise or business versions of whatever APC provides. I would imagine there is probably some very similar free or open source software that has most of the same functionality for any SNMP UPS device. The UPSs that I had could also send IPMI off/on commands. So I used the UPS firmware to control the boot order for the systems.
452) Message boards : Number crunching : Safe Shutdown (Message 1832980)
Posted 28 Nov 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
When I was running ~30 machines. many of them rack servers, I used the UPS management software to control BOINC via boinccmd.
I setup one machine per UPS to handle the events. Which would handle BOINC for all on the systems on the given UPS. So it would be the last to shutdown & first to power on.
From memory I had set it up along the lines of:
On battery > 60 seconds: boinccmd --set_run_mode mode duration never 1200
On battery > 300 seconds: boinccmd --set_run_mode mode duration never
On battery > 900 seconds: Do a system shutdown
On AC > 600 seconds: boinccmd --set_run_mode mode duration auto

Each .bat would be something like :
@ECHO OFF
pushd %~dp0
set cmdpath=D:\BOINC\boinccmd
set pass=password
set cmd=--passwd %pass% --set_run_mode mode duration never 1200
%cmdpath% --host NODE1 %cmd%
%cmdpath% --host NODE2 %cmd%
%cmdpath% --host NODE3 %cmd%
%cmdpath% --host NODE4 %cmd%
%cmdpath% --host NODE5 %cmd%
exit
453) Message boards : Number crunching : Power Distribution (Message 1832938)
Posted 28 Nov 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Huh, when I replaced my main 1960's 100 amp screw in fuse panel with a 225 amp model, I had them upgrade my outside service and meter from I believe it was good for maybe 200 amps, to a 400 amp meter/disconnect. They didn't really question it, they just sent me the bill for whatever the extra cost for the hardware was. I believe that if I had asked to go above 400 amp (actually, I think it is physically 320 amp, but is called 400 amp service) there might have been issues with that. Since I had paid them 10 years ago to upgrade the transformer on the pole in the back yard to 45kv when I installed 400 amp service to my workshop, along with upsized wire to both the house and the shop, that may have been why they didn't question it, as it had ample capacity.

You likely came "PreApproved"
454) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (104) Server Problems? (Message 1832653)
Posted 26 Nov 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Also it looks like the Stderr output is now placed using preformatted tags. So it ends up with a horizontal scroll bar at the bottom on the page. I'm not sure if that is helpful for the times we need to view this information for issues and debugging.
Looking at other projects still using pre-Bootstrap style sheets, I think that stderr has always been formatted with <pre> tags: having monospaced fonts without line wrapping is certainly helpful. The scroll bar only appears for tasks which need it - as it should - but that does apply to many SETI tasks with over-wide text output.

My only quibble is the shock to dark-adapted eyes caused by all that white background.

It took me some time, but I did find another project I had with enough Stderr output to give a horizontal scroll bar. Previously it caused the page to have a scroll bar instead of a box. That is likely the difference I wasn't quite making a moment ago.

For me the switch in contrast isn't so bad if I scroll slowly. With only the first 7 lines of the stderr displayed and I can scroll slow to give my eyes the time they need. However when I'm looking for information my reaction is to load the page and scroll down as soon as the page is there. Which does feel like someone flipping a light on in your face.
455) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (104) Server Problems? (Message 1832643)
Posted 26 Nov 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Replying to message 1832523 in PMO 103
The Server Status ... looks like the .xml output is still working correctly at the moment..
No, it isn't - the SETI@home v8 database status numbers are still duplicates of the Astropulse numbers - as they have been all year, since the SETI@home v8 column was added (and it's time for the SETI@home v7 column to be removed).

The duplication makes the Haveland Graphs - which are driven from the XML - useless.

Well by "working' I meant they didn't break anything new in that particular place.

Also it looks like the Stderr output is now placed using preformatted tags. So it ends up with a horizontal scroll bar at the bottom on the page. I'm not sure if that is helpful for the times we need to view this information for issues and debugging.

It also looks like the changes made to forum_reply.php haven't yet been applied to forum_edit.php
456) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (103) Server Problems? (Message 1832539)
Posted 26 Nov 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
It looks like some reconstruction is now taking place on the Server Status page.

Cheers.

Yeah, looks like someone is taking care of the main functional issues.

This color scheme is not very compatible with the stat page icons for BoincStats & Free-DC in the Your computers & in host details. It looked like the Free-DC one was missing for a moment. Maybe they can put a white field or something behind the images So that they appear correctly with any color scheme.
457) Message boards : Number crunching : Power Distribution (Message 1832538)
Posted 26 Nov 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Does the electric company ask why you need the upgrade? What do they say if you tell them you're participating in SETI? For people with a large number of computers, I wonder what your house looks like on infrared cameras, does it stand out like marijuana farms do when police fly around with their helicopters :D ?

Normally they want to make sure there is a justification for upgrading the service. Since they are they are the ones responsible for everything up to the for the meter. Normally going up to the next service level isn't a huge issue. If you are asking to go from 100A to 250A service they do start asking questions. As that point they may not have the capacity on the local transformer and it may have to be upgraded.
458) Message boards : News : Web site upgrade (Message 1832534)
Posted 26 Nov 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
A "Classic Theme" option would be really appreciated; some of the CSS choices in this new theme aren't so great: the super-bold white thread titles are especially hard on my eyes.

The increasing font size in quotes seems like unnecessary shouting, too:

There's no reason to yell.


There's also a strange negative space between the message header and the message body -- I think it may be related to the number of "titles" a user has under their name? If you look at the original post here there's a big margin.

When you say "classic" you mean like this right? http://seticlassic.ssl.berkeley.edu/
459) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (103) Server Problems? (Message 1832523)
Posted 26 Nov 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I'd guess that the Status page not showing is a caching issue for some users. That kind of thing does tend to happen with the internet. Sometimes you can get around that my adding a ? to the end of an address. So that any cache servers between you and a site get the hint to poll for an update.
https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/sah_status.html vs https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/sah_status.html?
The Server Status does need some does need some color adjustment to be human readable once again. It looks like the .xml output is still working correctly at the moment..

Something that may be of help, at least for Firefox users, is an add-on color-that-site. Which can let you full recolor a page or whole domain. Although a css replacement add-on might be less work.
460) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (103) Server Problems? (Message 1832415)
Posted 25 Nov 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
SETI in acid style - server or operator issue? ;)

Looks like the Beta site changes have been rolled into Main now.
With some of the same issues still in place.
461) Message boards : News : SETI@home Fall 2016 Fundraiser (Message 1832365)
Posted 25 Nov 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Dear Mr. Korpela,

Would you be okay with using your Bitcoin-Donation-Adress (1DuKPGnQ16TJpDUKS1CgWvrdVKtRTGPgir) as a target adress for mining income?

I have some spare mining power which i would point to a pool using this adress.

I won't use this adress for that purpose unless you comply with that kind of use.

Sincerely,
djoser.

Some of the folks at bitcoinutopia are looking to do another fundraiser for SETI@home as well, but I think it requires the admins to give the go ahead.
462) Message boards : Number crunching : Best Driver for 750ti? (Message 1832325)
Posted 25 Nov 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Have the more recent driver been found to be any more effective?

Driver upgrades are all about games.
The original release version for support of a particular group of hardware offers as much performance for computing work as any of the later releases. Unless there is a specific bug fix for CUDA/OpenCL/Vulkan in a later driver, there is no benefit in upgrading video drivers from the initial working release when it comes to GPU computing.
Generally; if it isn't broken, don't fix it.

I generally don't update specific things when they are working, but I know some people keep up on the bug fixes or know about specific driver app issues.
If I'm not using an NV GPU I generally don't read to much into the issues that are happening. Since I starting playing with my 750ti again I figured it might be good to check in the event I missed something important.
463) Message boards : Number crunching : Best Driver for 750ti? (Message 1832317)
Posted 25 Nov 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Have the more recent driver been found to be any more effective?
I'm using 364.51, mostly because I'm lazy about upgrading drivers, but I don't see much difference in the few other 750ti's I've looked at.
464) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows 10 - Yea or Nay? (Message 1832273)
Posted 24 Nov 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Win 10 Home does not allow Remote Desktop Connection. I know there other methods (BoincTasks) but I liked seeing the Desktop.

I use VNC instead of RDP. Which also allows GPUs to keep crunching if you are using them. As the GPU drivers are not available to BOINC when an RDP session becomes active.
465) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (103) Server Problems? (Message 1832241)
Posted 24 Nov 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
It looks like the mending to Carolyn seems to be holding up. Let's hope we don't get any other issues for he rest of the year.
466) Message boards : Number crunching : Anything relating to AstroPulse tasks (Message 1832184)
Posted 24 Nov 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
From the tasks I've been getting. About 10% are not 100% blanked and seem to have <5% blanking.
467) Message boards : Number crunching : how to avoid cuda50 in favour of _SoG (Message 1832107)
Posted 24 Nov 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

Perhaps something along the lines of what Collatz implemented: http://i.imgur.com/ukiDhgD.png

I like what Collatz has done. Looks very simple to implement, at least from the user side selection. Don't know how involved it would be to do the server configuration for plan_classes choice. Maybe SETI can just borrow the snippet of code they wrote.

Some type of plan class management at the user level does seem like it should be a standard BOINC feature to me.
As "the ARP method will figure it out eventually" really doesn't cut it in some cases. I gave up running my Android devices. As the APR system was favoring the less efficient apps. The more efficient apps, when actually selected, mostly would get a task that didn't count towards "completed". Being able to compare the few good tasks they were sent to the others apps and the gap in app efficiency made the decision for me. My devices were wasting to much time running less efficient apps.

I imagine the percentage of users that ever access their project preferences is likely extremely small. So that would put such a feature low on a "to do" list.
468) Message boards : Number crunching : how to avoid cuda50 in favour of _SoG (Message 1832006)
Posted 23 Nov 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
And clearly demonstrates drawbacks of APR usage for performance estimation. It just can't be used such way w/o additional knowledge about config.

Having such a large list of apps is great for the project to be able to support a large spectrum of hardware. For SETI@HOME, with so many apps, needs a feature for the user to be able to better define the apps they would like run on their system. It might be helpful as a BOINC standard feature, or enabling the feature if it id already there.
Allowing the user to enable/disable by Plan Class from their Project Preferences seems like the most logical option.
Perhaps something along the lines of what Collatz implemented: http://i.imgur.com/ukiDhgD.png
469) Message boards : Number crunching : Do we want to believe the SSP status is real? (Message 1831972)
Posted 23 Nov 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Well, I was hoping that since today was a maintenance Tuesday, that they might have fixed Carolyn's problems and put the replica back into play. I was thinking that with it working they would have had time to get the server back in sync with the main database. I have been waiting on the replica and the AP validators to get around to processing two AP CPU tasks that have been hanging around since the first of the month. The tasks have been finished by me and my wingmen, just haven't been cleared for some reason. Other, newer tasks have been cleared already for some reason. It seems like these have been forgotten somehow. I need them validated to get my APR for one machine to be set finally for realistic estimated completion dates and times.

We can always hope that getting parts or swamping bits around has happened to keep the project as stable as possible, but no news is no news.
Sometimes things take a few tries to get it all ironed out and we don't know how busy they are. With the holiday this week they might technically be off all week. I'm really only aware of the campus schedule when someone mentions a semester starting or ending.
470) Message boards : Number crunching : GPU Wars 2016:  Pascal vs Polaris (Message 1831971)
Posted 23 Nov 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Personally I'm looking at some of the stuff on the lower end of the spectrum. For it's lower power consumption. These two, on paper, are pretty evenly matched.

GPU			SP Base(Boost)	DP Base(Boost)	TDP	Cost
Radeon RX 460		1953(2150)	122		<75	$109 (2GB) $139 (4GB)
GeForce GTX 1050 Ti	1981(2138)	62 (67)		75	$139 (4GB)


Which makes it a great time to be a shopper.

I'll likely be getting a 460, or sometime similar depending on the new stuff launching this quarter or next, to replace the HD6870 in my HTPC. As it would give me the same GFLOPS for about half the TDP.
Plus I need a specific Radeon driver display scaling function, that Intel and Nvidia don't have in their drivers, to have 1080 displayed correctly on my older 61" TV.

Then I might grab a GTX 1050 Ti or two to play around with. Like I did with the 750 TI FTW I have now.
471) Message boards : Number crunching : Building a 32 thread xeon system doesn't need to cost a lot (Message 1831963)
Posted 23 Nov 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Another thought for cutting costs. A lot of the Xeons and the mobos that support them will support either registered or unregistered memory, though you cannot mix the different types.
Why hassle with it? There are a ton of tested server pulls for sale on eBay right now for totally dirt cheap. I just got 6 ea. DDR3 4gb PC-10600 ECC RDIMMS for $25.50 including shipping, which will work quite nicely in my Z600. What I could possible need 24 gig of RAM for, I dunno, but at $4.25 a stick, worth keeping in mind.
I suspect I'll be able to sell the 12 gig (6x DDR3 2gb 10700 ECC UDIMM) I pull out for a bunch more than $25.00

I usually do pretty well at finding bargain memory deals on old stuff. Like 32GB(8x4GB) of DDR2 PC2-5300 ECC FBDIMMs I picked up to put in an older Xeon system for well under a $1/GB. I'm only using 16GB of it right now. As that stuff gets HOT and eat up power. So I mostly look at it as having spares in the event I loose a DIMM or two.
Also for my dual E5-2670 system I took half of the 128GB(16x8GB) it came with out. Since I'm just doing some bench SETI@home testing and I don't think it has broken 6GB of total memory used.
Additionally it is now running 1 DIMM per channel instead of two. As there have been tests showing reduction in memory speeds when more than one DIMM per channel is used I figured why not give it a try. So far it doesn't look like there is any significant difference when running SETI@home tasks on the system. The difference may only be apparent when running synthetic benchmarks or under more intense memory loads.
472) Message boards : Number crunching : Do we want to believe the SSP status is real? (Message 1831955)
Posted 23 Nov 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Just noticed the SSP looks current and that Carolyn, the replica database server is shown running. However the status is still shown as offline. Do we think that things might be returning to something more normal?

You are free to believe in whatever you like. The Server Status is often just a small glimpse of what may, or may not, be the true status of the servers at the given timestamp.
I imagine it is mostly SNMP data, while highly reliable, still doesn't qualify for 100% status. Especially given the number of system involved.
473) Message boards : Number crunching : how to avoid cuda50 in favour of _SoG (Message 1831886)
Posted 22 Nov 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Somebody suggested running multiple tasks on the GPU when in CUDA mode, and only a single task in SoG mode. That can be done with the plan_class extension to app_config.xml - doesn't need the whole Lunatic - and will drive cuda APRs downwards until SoG is dominant.

That is also a more elegant option than my brute force gutting CUDA from the system. Especially to keep CUDA for other projects.
474) Message boards : Number crunching : Issues with 1 GPU on Penta Nano System (Message 1831885)
Posted 22 Nov 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
And here is the bug:
BOINC assigns device 2
4 slot of 64 used for this instance; total_GPU_instances_num=5
Info: BOINC provided OpenCL device ID used
Info: CPU affinity mask used: 0; system mask is ff
With such mask no CPUs allowed at all.
Perhaps Windows API reacts on such mask as it would be 0xff instead allowing ALL CPUs.
Please check affinity of all active tasks on that host - each of them is pinned to only single CPU or some have few available CPUs?


Well, seems the reason of bug is clear - system mask ff corresponds not 8 CPU system but 32 CPU one. Hence wrong path selected.

So I need value that correctly reflects real number of CPUs in system...


If system mask is the same as the hex value used for the start /affinity command then it should be much longer hex for a 32 CPU system. 0x55555555 would be for all even number CPUs on a 32 CPU system
I've used this command line to have BOINC run only on physical cores and not use HT cores for some test on my 16c/32t system.
start /AFFINITY 55555555 boinc.exe --detach
Using FF give apps access only to CPUs 0-7. But the start /affinity command may not be operating the same as calling the values in code.
475) Message boards : Number crunching : how to avoid cuda50 in favour of _SoG (Message 1831824)
Posted 22 Nov 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
BOINC doesn't currently have the ability to disable specific GPU features. Like disabling CUDA and leave OpenCL enabled. However if you want to get tricky you could remove the CUDA section from your coproc_info.xml and them make it read only.
I have used similar tricks for my Radeon GPUs. When I either needed to tell the server a GPU did have support CAL when it didn't or telling the server it didn't have support CAL when I only OpenCL.

I haven't the same method CUDA. So I don't know if it will work the same. Proceed at your own risk.

EDIT: Looking at the coproc_info.xml for my 750ti it looks like maybe the value <have_cuda>1</have_cuda> could be changed to 0 instead of removing the CUDA section. If you give it a try be sure to let us know what happens.


I decided since I'm only using the OpenCL apps I'd give it a try.
Looks like the whole CUDA section has to come out.

11/21/2016 7:18:21 PM		Starting BOINC client version 7.4.42 for windows_x86_64
11/21/2016 7:18:21 PM		log flags: sched_ops
11/21/2016 7:18:21 PM		Libraries: libcurl/7.39.0 OpenSSL/1.0.1j zlib/1.2.8
11/21/2016 7:18:21 PM		Data directory: D:\BOINC
11/21/2016 7:18:21 PM		Failed to delete old coproc_info.xml. error code -110
11/21/2016 7:18:21 PM		OpenCL: NVIDIA GPU 0: GeForce GTX 750 Ti (driver version 364.51, device version OpenCL 1.2 CUDA, 2048MB, 1967MB available, 1622 GFLOPS peak)
11/21/2016 7:18:21 PM		OpenCL: Intel GPU 0: Intel(R) HD Graphics (driver version 10.18.10.4358, device version OpenCL 1.2, 1195MB, 1195MB available, 358 GFLOPS peak)
11/21/2016 7:18:21 PM		OpenCL CPU: Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU  J1900  @ 1.99GHz (OpenCL driver vendor: Intel(R) Corporation, driver version 3.0.1.10891, device version OpenCL 1.2 (Build 76427))
11/21/2016 7:18:21 PM		Asteroids@home	Found app_info.xml; using anonymous platform
11/21/2016 7:18:21 PM		SETI@home	Found app_info.xml; using anonymous platform
11/21/2016 7:18:21 PM		Host name: SIMIII
11/21/2016 7:18:21 PM		Processor: 4 GenuineIntel Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU J1900 @ 2.41GHz
11/21/2016 7:18:21 PM		Processor features: fpu vme de pse <SNIP>
11/21/2016 7:18:21 PM		OS: Microsoft Windows 7: Ultimate x64 Edition, Service Pack 1, (06.01.7601.00)
11/21/2016 7:18:21 PM		Memory: 3.71 GB physical, 7.42 GB virtual
11/21/2016 7:18:21 PM		Disk: 198.09 GB total, 188.47 GB free
11/21/2016 7:18:21 PM		Local time is UTC -5 hours


You may notice the line. Failed to delete old coproc_info.xml. error code -110. BOINC is just complaining that it can't delete the old one and make a new one, but that is the desired effect in this situation.
If you were to change your coprocessor configuration in any way you would probably want to let BOINC generate a new one and modify it again.

This does drop the driver version from your host information on the website. Because when BOINC doesn't do driver version detection for OpenCL. Which is why there are no driver versions display for Intel GPUs and some Radeon GPUs.
476) Message boards : Number crunching : how to avoid cuda50 in favour of _SoG (Message 1831820)
Posted 22 Nov 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
BOINC doesn't currently have the ability to disable specific GPU features. Like disabling CUDA and leave OpenCL enabled. However if you want to get tricky you could remove the CUDA section from your coproc_info.xml and them make it read only.
I have used similar tricks for my Radeon GPUs. When I either needed to tell the server a GPU did have support CAL when it didn't or telling the server it didn't have support CAL when I only OpenCL.

I haven't the same method CUDA. So I don't know if it will work the same. Proceed at your own risk.

EDIT: Looking at the coproc_info.xml for my 750ti it looks like maybe the value <have_cuda>1</have_cuda> could be changed to 0 instead of removing the CUDA section. If you give it a try be sure to let us know what happens.
477) Message boards : Number crunching : Open Beta test: SoG for NVidia, Lunatics v0.45 - Beta6 (RC again) (Message 1831731)
Posted 21 Nov 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I just installed Beta 6 and checked for the affinity issue noticed when troubleshooting my Penta-Nano system. Not sure if an attempt was made to fix it, but it looks like it is still an issue. One of the 5 running MB tasks has affinity set to all cores, while the other 4 are set to unique cores.

This isn't really an installation question, more a question about the application payload.

Please contact Raistmer about this sort of question, citing

OpenCL version by Raistmer, r3557
AMD HD5 version by Raistmer


Thanks. I will PM him.

Is it the same issue you were discussing in this thread?
478) Message boards : Number crunching : 16th Anniversary (Message 1831718)
Posted 21 Nov 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
If there is one of these already, I can't find it, sorry!

I would have posted earlier, but the site wasn't available. 2 days ago was my 16th Anniversary of crunching for Seti@home. I joined 19th November 2000. It's been a roller coaster ride from Seti Classic to Boinc, and maybe now Atlas. But I'm still here plugging away despite a very sad holiday some years ago. But like all bedtime stories, the good guys do get to win in the end.

20 million credit for me and 1 Billion for my team I founded, not a bad record methinks. Also helped out with donations along the way where I could. Happy to be here, even if not so up front as before.

Kind Regards to everyone.

BT Retired Club

Chris S

Welcome to the 16 year club
479) Message boards : Number crunching : No work for ATI5? (Message 1831714)
Posted 21 Nov 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I can see your system has, at this timestamp, 281 tasks in progress. The server limits each machine to 100 CPU task and 100 tasks per GPU. So you defiantly have work for both GPUs to be running at the same time. As both of your GPUs have the same pool of tasks to work from.

With Windows 10 I'd suspect it may have done some driver or other update that has caused as issue, but let's hope that's not the issue.
Posting the BOINC starting lines will help determining that.

Do you have any GPU tasks that are in a state other that Running or Ready to start, like Waiting to run?

EDIT: Since I just saw your startup. Is the R9 running Milkyway tasks instead of SETI right now?
If not try Use GPU always to see if they both start. If they do then we know there is just a BOINC issue.

Also I just looked at your task list. It looks like that machine has not returned any GPU tasks for about a week. So none of your GPUs seem to be running SETI at the moment.
480) Message boards : Number crunching : Power Distribution (Message 1831663)
Posted 21 Nov 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
[quote]You probably have already found this info, but figured I'd toss it in here if you had not for your cable sizing.
US Standards for a 30A circuit are 10 AWG minimum in most situations (sizes go up for long runs), but you can always go up a size in a shorter run for a lower voltage drop across the cable. Normally the extra cost of the large cables isn't justified but for larger power usage situations, like yours, it is likely worth the extra expense.
AWG	Inches	MM
6 	0.162 	4.11
7 	0.1443 	3.67
8 	0.1285 	3.26
10 	0.1019 	2.59
12 	0.0808 	2.05
14 	0.0641 	1.63
16 	0.0508 	1.29
18 	0.0403 	1.02

The 3.5mm cabling you went with is some pretty heavy duty stuff. As someone with an electrical engineering degree I completely approve!/quote]

In the video, I said mm when it is actually mm2, so this conversion table applies.
AWG    mm     inch      mm2
7    3.6649  0.1443  10.5488
8    3.2636  0.1285   8.3656
9    2.9064  0.1144   6.6342
10   2.5882  0.1019   5.2612
11   2.3048  0.0907   4.1723
                      3.5000 (new wire)
12   2.0525  0.0808   3.3088
13   1.8278  0.0720   2.6240
14   1.6277  0.0641   2.0809 (original wire)


So it is not quite that impressive. I checked out the 5mm2 triple wire cabling and it was just too massive to work with. US standards are more conservative than international, but having trouble finding the table that led me to believe this. Looks like I should not attempt to push to 30A on the line to my desktop with this cable.


Oh I missed the mm2. That does make a slight difference. So it looks like you basically have 12 AWG cable. Which is standard US 20a circuit wiring. However I think the 20A rating is for solid cable. I'd have to look up the ratings for stranded cabling. I'd guess it might be 25A, but probably not 30A. Even though it might handle 30A fine 24/7 it would likely run warmer, and likely why the US standards go up to the next size for 30A. Given you are already in the 25-30ºC range I personally wouldn't want to see much more from my cabling.

I mostly use 14AWG power cables for my PC to UPS connections and they are all sub KW systems. Mostly because I like overkill when it comes to power related things like that. I did once buy a 10 foot section of 10,000 strand 000AWG cable to use as a ground for some Tesla Coil stuff I was doing.
481) Message boards : Number crunching : GPU testing on low powered CPU (Message 1831652)
Posted 21 Nov 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Which is why I don't normally run those tasks. Not sure how well it would do with GBT VLARs tho...

Probably even worse.
Celeron flawed by cache size first hand. And VLAR (GBT including) needs semi-random access to largest arrays in whole algorithm.

In this CPU cache is split between cores. Each 2 cores get 1MB cache. Instead of a single large L3 cache line in Core ix CPUs., but the split cache might be the reason it didn't suffer CPU slow downs when running iGPU MB tasks like Core ix CPUs tend to show.
I like having different types of hardware to see how the design changes effect our crunching.
I really want to get a CPU with Iris Pro graphics to see how an iGPU with its own cache handles things. However they tend to be hard to find or cost much over list prices.
482) Message boards : Number crunching : Power Distribution (Message 1831648)
Posted 20 Nov 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
You probably have already found this info, but figured I'd toss it in here if you had not for your cable sizing.
US Standards for a 30A circuit are 10 AWG minimum in most situations (sizes go up for long runs), but you can always go up a size in a shorter run for a lower voltage drop across the cable. Normally the extra cost of the large cables isn't justified but for larger power usage situations, like yours, it is likely worth the extra expense.
AWG	Inches	MM
6 	0.162 	4.11
7 	0.1443 	3.67
8 	0.1285 	3.26
10 	0.1019 	2.59
12 	0.0808 	2.05
14 	0.0641 	1.63
16 	0.0508 	1.29
18 	0.0403 	1.02

The 3.5mm cabling you went with is some pretty heavy duty stuff. As someone with an electrical engineering degree I completely approve!
483) Message boards : Number crunching : Power Distribution (Message 1831575)
Posted 20 Nov 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
At my last job I had a rack of older PowerEdge 2850 servers and only two 120v 20a power drops to feed it. I ended up having to seek a few other outlets across the room to get everything up and going. The UPS's were connected to the mains with 10' 14-3 cords, but were always a bit warmer than ambient.

Recently at home I've been working on identifying what breakers are tied to what. Since I have systems in a bedroom, living room and a loft over the loving room. I am hoping the left outlets are not tied to the living room. I have considered taking the unused 240v electric dryer outlet, as I have a gas dryer,and have some new high amp outlets installed in my loft for dedicated computer stuff. Then I could switch several things to 240v which supposedly gains a few % in efficiency with computer PSUs.
484) Message boards : Number crunching : Building a 32 thread xeon system doesn't need to cost a lot (Message 1831564)
Posted 20 Nov 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Here is some data on run times for the E5-2670's at 3.0GHz with the AVX app.
32 threads: VLARs ~120m, Normal AR ~150m
16 threads: VLARs ~75m, Normal AR ~90m


So HT gains 25% in total work done then:

In 5 hours (600 minutes) for VLARs

HT on - 120min/WU = 5/Tx32 = 160 WUs done
HT off - 75min/WU = 8/Tx16 = 128 WUs done

160/128 = 1.25 = 25% gain.

And similarly for Normal ARs.

A little better than I expected, actually.


I normally take the time and come up with a tasks per day value.
So something along the lines of:
32 threads: VLARs ~384, Normal AR ~307
16 threads: VLARs ~307, Normal AR ~256
However with sorties and other in between work the count seems to fall more in the 450-550 task a day range.
Extracting the host_total_credit values from the statistics_setiathome.berkeley.edu.xml it looks like it is generating ~29K credit a day with the current work.
So a pair of small-medium GPUs would likely double it's output. AS I recall my 750ti FTW would do ~10k/day with normal CUDA tasks. I expect with GBT data it would be a bit less. So perhaps a pair of 1050ti FTWs would be a good choice to about double the systems output without ramping up the KW/h's.
485) Message boards : Number crunching : GPU testing on low powered CPU (Message 1831519)
Posted 20 Nov 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
iGPU build hardly required CPU reservation. It's supporting runtime CPU consumption quite low.

The system when running only SETI@home AP tasks, 4 CPU AP & 1 iGPU AP, had no issues.
When running other projects on the CPU, 4 CPU PrimeGrid & 1 iGPU AP, the iGPU would be slower. So I reserved a CPU to keep it happy.

For the 750Ti with the NV SoG app I did some tests with 2 free CPU cores.
This command line caused NV driver restarts:
-high_prec_timer -use_sleep -hp -cpu_lock -cpu_lock_fixed_cpu 2

This command line also caused NV driver restarts:
-high_prec_timer -use_sleep -hp

This command line was OK, but was found to have slightly lower performance:
-high_prec_timer -use_sleep -cpu_lock -cpu_lock_fixed_cpu 2

Looks like either the system, or the version driver I'm using, didn't like -hp command. with r3557.

Now I have configured the system for 3 CPU PrimeGrid, 1 iGPU AP, & 2 NV SoG. System is currently sitting ~90% CPU load. So hopefully not much extra time is added for Starting GPU tasks. If it does maybe I'll switch to 2 PrimeGrid and 1 SETI MB CPU task for comparison.
The Celeron J1900 is not great at MB CPU tasks. Which is why I don't normally run those tasks. Not sure how well it would do with GBT VLARs tho...
486) Message boards : Number crunching : v8.19 opencl_nvidia_SoG for x86_64-pc-linux-gnu (Message 1831447)
Posted 19 Nov 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Ok let me rephrase the question: why are there no official 8.19 binaries for linux? I'm guessing it's a matter of resources? I know my way around build-essential; if it's a matter of gitting, making and testing I'd be willing to try to help.

One of the first steps would be having the apps deployed at Beta and having them undergo a round of testing. Then if all went well they would get deployed to main. In another thread Raistmer had mentioned (Urs said debugging finished so some new test binaries could be generated).
That may or may not be related to a 8.19 release. You would have to get into the loop with Urs to find out exactly what the current plans are.
487) Message boards : Number crunching : Newb poster looking for clarity. (Message 1831417)
Posted 19 Nov 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thanks to you both so much. I'm just playing at this compared to you guys and many others. I've been doing SETI for a long time but never really got into the nitty gritty of performance and the technicalities of it. You guys really do an incredible job for the project.

So to summarise, you think I should try out Lunatics, it will process more units over using the standard BOINC/SETI apps, and it has no detrimental effect on the units I'm sending back to SETI. I guess by using Lunatics my GPU will process more than 1 unit simultaneously too, right?

As you can tell by my average I don't run this 24/7, or have multiple machines like you dedicated members. This is my main PC, my hobby, my gaming PC. In your opinions are my results OK, no errors or corrupt returned units?

I do have a spare 2011-3 motherboard here, do you have any recommendations regarding getting an efficient CPU for SETI, on the cheap? Maybe a server pulled Xeon?

Thank you again Brent and HAL9000 for your help, much appreciated.

Basically the optimized apps will increase your computing efficiency. So you could for fewer KW/h get the same amount of work done or get more work for the same KW/h.

I don't believe the Lunatics installer automatically enables running more than 1 GPU app instance per card. The easiest way to configure the number of GPU app instances by creating an app_config.xml.
The instructions on the BOINC site may look overly complicated at first but is pretty straight forward. Here are a few basic samples.

This will run 1 GPU app instance and allocate 1 CPU core/thread to "feed" the GPU.
<app_config>
	<app>
		<name>setiathome_v8</name>
		<gpu_versions>
			<gpu_usage>1.0</gpu_usage>
			<cpu_usage>1.0</cpu_usage>
		</gpu_versions>
	</app>
</app_config>

This will run 2 GPU app instances and allocate 2 CPU core/threads to "feed" the GPU.
<app_config>
	<app>
		<name>setiathome_v8</name>
		<gpu_versions>
			<gpu_usage>0.5</gpu_usage>
			<cpu_usage>1.0</cpu_usage>
		</gpu_versions>
	</app>
</app_config>

This will run 2 GPU app instances and allocate 1 CPU core/thread to "feed" the GPU.
<app_config>
	<app>
		<name>setiathome_v8</name>
		<gpu_versions>
			<gpu_usage>0.5</gpu_usage>
			<cpu_usage>0.5</cpu_usage>
		</gpu_versions>
	</app>
</app_config>

This will run 3 GPU app instances and allocate 1 CPU core/thread to "feed" the GPU.
<app_config>
	<app>
		<name>setiathome_v8</name>
		<gpu_versions>
			<gpu_usage>0.33</gpu_usage>
			<cpu_usage>0.33</cpu_usage>
		</gpu_versions>
	</app>
</app_config>

This will run 4 GPU app instances and allocate 2 CPU core/threads to "feed" the GPU.
<app_config>
	<app>
		<name>setiathome_v8</name>
		<gpu_versions>
			<gpu_usage>0.25</gpu_usage>
			<cpu_usage>0.5</cpu_usage>
		</gpu_versions>
	</app>
</app_config>

This will run 4 GPU app instances and allocate 1 CPU core/thread to "feed" the GPU.
<app_config>
	<app>
		<name>setiathome_v8</name>
		<gpu_versions>
			<gpu_usage>0.25</gpu_usage>
			<cpu_usage>0.25</cpu_usage>
		</gpu_versions>
	</app>
</app_config>


Also worth considering is making use of the optional tuning parameters for the GPU applications. There are ReadMe files included in the Lunatics installer. I believe the server also sends a version with the "stock" GPU apps as well.
Normally I tend to let the people that really know what they are doing find good vales and then use their configurations as a starting point for tuning.
488) Message boards : Number crunching : GPU testing on low powered CPU (Message 1831328)
Posted 19 Nov 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Running 2 GUPPI VLARs with SoG seems to give a pretty solid 35m run time for me.

The CPU time is > than the Run Time, but I expect that has to do with the nature of the slower CPU.
I could play with -use_sleep settings to see if they make any measurable difference.


. . Hi again,

. . I am using -use_sleep to get 4 concurrent tasks on the GPus with only 2 cores in the Pentium D.

. . The command in the command line file with _SoG in the name is-

-high_prec_timer -use sleep.

. . The Pentium D copes quite OK with the load.

Stephen

.

It looks like I had not really noticed -high_prec_timer in the read me. However I'm not sure if the system I'm using the 750TI FTW in supports that hardware function. I know several of my MBs can toggle HPET off/on. It is likely HPET is supported on the system but can't be disabled.



. . I suspect a zero current initialisation would restore the rig to defaults.

Stephen

.

I went the easy route and set the command in the app config. Since it didn't throw any errors it must support the function despite note having a setting to toggle it off/on in the BIOS for that particular system.

I should add that after a few days using -high_prec_timer -use_sleep I lowered the CPU reservation.
From: <gpu_usage>0.5</gpu_usage> <cpu_usage>1.0</cpu_usage>
To: <gpu_usage>0.5</gpu_usage> <cpu_usage>0.5</cpu_usage>
This let me return PrimeGrid to running 2 CPU tasks tasks instead of 1.
So the system is running:
1 iGPU AP task
2 NV SoG MB tasks
2 PrimeGrid CPU tasks
2 CPU cores free. 1 for iGPU & 1 for NV GPU.
I might be able to get by leaving only 1 CPU core free for both the iGPU & NV GPU on the system. I am going to have to try running 3 PrimeGrid CPU tasks to see if that starts to slow down anything.

It seems like a low powered GPU is a good match to a small CPU.
489) Message boards : Number crunching : Newb poster looking for clarity. (Message 1831274)
Posted 18 Nov 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Ah yes, I forgot about AVX, that is a BIG improvement for his 12 cores.

I've not seen a huge difference between SSE3 & AVX on my systems, but it is significant enough that I am glad they put forth the effort to make it.
Perhaps AVX2 will show some speed improvements one day as well.
490) Message boards : Number crunching : Newb poster looking for clarity. (Message 1831257)
Posted 18 Nov 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hi all, I'm a long time user of BOINC/SETI. I've never used any optimisations other than overclocking my hardware. Could one of you very knowledgeable fellows check out my stats please, I just want to be sure that I'm performing well for the project and not ruining any work units that I'm processing. I would be very grateful for your time.

I only recently noticed the Lunatics installer for BOINC, but am reluctant to use it. I don't want to have the possibility of devaluing the work units being processed. Are there any issues with using the Lunatics installer for BOINC, what are the advantages of using it?

Many thanks in advance.

Actually the "stock" GPU application are all Lunatics apps. Just slightly older revisions depends on the current development and testing phases.
The CPU applications provide SSE and other optimizations that can generally improve processing speed 25-50% depending on your hardware. There are often bug fixes in the Lunatics apps that may or may not make it into the stocks apps. So there isn't much rick of devaluing data by using the optimized CPU apps.

One thing to watch is keeping up with the current builds. Especially with the opencl_nvidia_SoG app. As it is current in active development. The build in the Lunatics v0.45 - Beta6 package is probably where you would want to start.
491) Message boards : Number crunching : GPU testing on low powered CPU (Message 1831235)
Posted 18 Nov 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Running 2 GUPPI VLARs with SoG seems to give a pretty solid 35m run time for me.

The CPU time is > than the Run Time, but I expect that has to do with the nature of the slower CPU.
I could play with -use_sleep settings to see if they make any measurable difference.


. . Hi again,

. . I am using -use_sleep to get 4 concurrent tasks on the GPus with only 2 cores in the Pentium D.

. . The command in the command line file with _SoG in the name is-

-high_prec_timer -use sleep.

. . The Pentium D copes quite OK with the load.

Stephen

.

It looks like I had not really noticed -high_prec_timer in the read me. However I'm not sure if the system I'm using the 750TI FTW in supports that hardware function. I know several of my MBs can toggle HPET off/on. It is likely HPET is supported on the system but can't be disabled.



. . I suspect a zero current initialisation would restore the rig to defaults.

Stephen

.

I went the easy route and set the command in the app config. Since it didn't throw any errors it must support the function despite note having a setting to toggle it off/on in the BIOS for that particular system.
492) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (103) Server Problems? (Message 1831083)
Posted 17 Nov 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Is the lack of a stats export from the last several days related to the download woes? (and the server needs a kick, again...)

That's because the BOINC replica database "Carolyn" is offline and that handles those exports. ;-)

Cheers.



. . It sounds like Carolyn needs an infusion of something (capital maybe?)

Stephen

.

It has a failing RAID card. So once they make a decision on what they want to do. Then we will know if we need to do a funding drive or something along those lines.



. . Hi Hal

. . If/when it comes to that what is the process? Do they have an account to send money to or do they take travellers' cheques ?? . . :)


Stephen

.

You can always make a donation to the project on the SETI@home site. Which goes to their general fund. The University get a portion of all donations sent this way.
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/sah_donate.php

In the past when there was a specific hardware requests the GPU Users Group setup a special donation tracker on their donation page. This makes it easier for us to track the status & also 100% of the donation amount ends up going towards the purchase of the hardware.
Also if you want to make a general donation via PayPal their site is setup for that. Where the SETI@home site is not IIRC.
http://www.gpuug.org/
You can see a list of what has been funded in the past on there too.
http://www.gpuug.org/purchases

I expect if the guys in the lab come to a decision on needing something, and don't think they can mange it from their budget, that we will see it show up on the GPU Users Group donation site. If we don't hear anything then they must have it under control.
493) Message boards : Number crunching : Spammers (Message 1830945)
Posted 16 Nov 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
.....
I can see it looks bad but 8123671 is my machine. I had a failed cpu which needed RMA back to Intel but not until I'd tried to RMA the motherboard which turned out to be fine. So I was offline for several weeks and ended up doing a fresh install of windows once I was issued with a replacement. The cached tasks were not recovered. Sorry about that wingmen.
I have been contributing to this project for 17 years and this machine currently ranks at number 78 in the top hosts for total credit. Its RAC is picking up again now that it is back online and the abandoned tasks are being dealt with by resending in the way the project is designed to do - so please be discriminating when looking to penalise genuine bad behaviours.

I'm sorry if you got caught up in that, but I did check threads here that others have put up about their PC failing/failure problems (eg; Cruncher Down or Apologies to Wingmen & similar) and your name wasn't amongst them to cross off, now it's a bit late to remove yours from that list.

Cheers.

Personally I never feel the need to announce when I have a machine die or end up with a load of ghost tasks. The BOINC system is designed to handle that situation. It is annoying that the tasks will take 6 weeks to time out, but it get handled.
When there are users that specifically download work without processing it only to have it timeout and request more I think is an issue.

There are issue with the server actually applying Max tasks per day value to hosts. Recently I had a host, CPU only, with 100 ghosts. So I aborted all of the tasks it hand on hand and then did a project reset to clear the ghosts. The Max tasks per day for the host was then 1, but on the next work request it received 100 tasks.
494) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (103) Server Problems? (Message 1830941)
Posted 16 Nov 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Is the lack of a stats export from the last several days related to the download woes? (and the server needs a kick, again...)

That's because the BOINC replica database "Carolyn" is offline and that handles those exports. ;-)

Cheers.



. . It sounds like Carolyn needs an infusion of something (capital maybe?)

Stephen

.

It has a failing RAID card. So once they make a decision on what they want to do. Then we will know if we need to do a funding drive or something along those lines.
495) Message boards : Number crunching : Spammers (Message 1830821)
Posted 16 Nov 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Wouldn't it be easier to limit the length of username that is visible in the forum pages? I mean to show only maybe 25 characters or something.

It was also brought up in the server panic thread. While having a 255 character limit is very accommodating. It is also rather excessive. Anything in the 25-35 character limit seems like it would be more than sufficient.
I'm sure that it doesn't help with the error that happen when adding users to Message filtering. There is an issue that after a specific length of users names it throws a screen long list of errors. Which I believe someone explained to be what the total length of users names exceeded the storage space allocated. Since the user IDs are getting added the filtering does continue to work. I am up to 30 users I'm filtering at the moment. So With new users having longer IDs I might hit the limit on the storage space allocated for user IDs soon.
496) Message boards : Number crunching : Errors help (Message 1830704)
Posted 15 Nov 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
It looks like your host 6626959 is happy to run CUDA tasks, but when it tries to run the OpenCL app it crashes with
Unhandled Exception Detected...

- Unhandled Exception Record -
Reason: Access Violation (0xc0000005) at address 0x777780D6 read attempt to address 0x2820200E


It seems like OpenCL isn't working correctly on that system.
497) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (103) Server Problems? (Message 1830699)
Posted 15 Nov 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I'm thinking there needs to be a maximum limit for the number of characters in a User's name...

I agree ..... that user is just being obnoxious.

There few a few of then. I add them to my ignore list as soon as they show up. A display limit of ~35 characters should be reasonably long enough for any user name.
498) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (103) Server Problems? (Message 1830645)
Posted 15 Nov 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I hope the servers aren't having hardware problems. Seems like down-time happens almost everyday during this past week. At least the peak donation period is coming soon near the end of the year. Maybe we can get some more details on what might need replacing and any donation goals.

Eric says the raid card in carolyn is the culprit.
Getting rather futzy.


. . Hi Kitty man

. . I have translated "futzy" as "flaky", but what can it cost for a new raid card? I can kick in $2, only need another couple of hundred guys :)

Stephen

.

I have no idea what a server grade raid card might cost.

It looks like Carolyn is one of the HP servers that we did a funding drive for in 2010. So the exact RAID card is uses is probably readily available at server recycling shops for <$50. The questions is do they want replacement parts or look into other server options.
As I recall one things they were looking to do was reduce their server footprint. So a newer, or a segmented box might be able to replace a few of their systems and save on their monthly rack bill.
499) Message boards : Number crunching : Building a 32 thread xeon system doesn't need to cost a lot (Message 1830083)
Posted 12 Nov 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I got the last bits to fully spool up the S2600CP2J with E5-2670's today. After a quick BIOS version update to add the turbo option it's cooking 32 CPU AVX tasks at 3.0GHz. The Noctura coolers seem to be keeping the CPU temps below 50ºC at the moment as well. A few hundred tasks should tell how it is going to settle in long term.



If you have the time, please try it w/o HT, too. In this case, my dual E5-2670s seemed to do about the same amount of work with or w/o HT. My hypothesis is that all threads are running the same software, so whatever thread blocking occurs because of HT is at the max (?). Or, maybe, I am delusional. In any event, would be nice to have a second opinion data point. Thanks!

Here is some data on run times for the E5-2670's at 3.0GHz with the AVX app.
32 threads: VLARs ~120m, Normal AR ~150m
16 threads: VLARs ~75m, Normal AR ~90m
500) Message boards : Number crunching : SETI@home v8.19 Windows GPU applications support thread (Message 1829889)
Posted 11 Nov 2016 by Profile HAL9000
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New v8.20 GPU apps was deployed recently on beta - please do massive testing to speedup their release to main.


. . Hi Raistmer,

. . Murphy has struck again, after confirming AOK running Lunatics 0.45 Beta 6 on La_Bamba I have run my cache dry and tried to join the Beta-Test project only to be told the project is not available, is it down again ..........?

Stephen

.

Beta seems to be working fine for me at the moment.
If your host isn't liking one of the URLs maybe try the other?
https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/beta/
http://setiweb.ssl.berkeley.edu/beta/
501) Message boards : Number crunching : APU load influence on total device throughput, MultiBeam (Message 1829804)
Posted 11 Nov 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hopefully I'll get some time over the weekend to run the iGPU on my Haswell DT and new Skylake laptop for more data points.
502) Message boards : Number crunching : GPU testing on low powered CPU (Message 1829525)
Posted 10 Nov 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Running 2 GUPPI VLARs with SoG seems to give a pretty solid 35m run time for me.

The CPU time is > than the Run Time, but I expect that has to do with the nature of the slower CPU.
I could play with -use_sleep settings to see if they make any measurable difference.


. . Hi again,

. . I am using -use_sleep to get 4 concurrent tasks on the GPus with only 2 cores in the Pentium D.

. . The command in the command line file with _SoG in the name is-

-high_prec_timer -use sleep.

. . The Pentium D copes quite OK with the load.

Stephen

.

It looks like I had really noticed -high_prec_timer in the read me. However I'm not sure if the system I'm using the 750TI FTW in supports that hardware function. I know several of my MBs can toggle HPET off/on. It is likely HPET is supported on the system but can't be disabled.
503) Message boards : Number crunching : GPU testing on low powered CPU (Message 1829524)
Posted 10 Nov 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:


When I was running the 750 in my dual Xeon X5470 I beleive it may have only run normal AR Arecibo tasks at that time.
I did find a comment in a post stating it was running:
2 Arecibo at once: ~25min

For the past few days the 750 has been running in the Celeron and chewing on a load of GUPPI VLARS.
2 GUPPI VLAR at once: 70-75min
1 GUPPI VLAR at once: 42-45m
CPU usage for the CUDA app looks to run upwards at 15-17% sometimes.

I don't have a reference for this system with Arecibo tasks but I believe that 2-3 times as long for GUPPI VLARs using the CUDA app should be about as expected?

I'm going to run a short batch of CPU GUPPI VLARs for a data point and then my plan is to run the NV SOG r3420 app for comparison of the CUDA. Then maybe some tuning parameters.



. . Hi Hal,

. . May I ask why such an older version of SoG. The current version in Lunatics Beta 6 is r3557. It has been rewritten to minimise tasks coming up as inconclusives. So maybe you should consider that. As a comparison I am running it on my Pentium D 930 3.0GHz rig with 2 GTX950s and it is doing OK, previously I had been running r3528 with two GTX970s, but the upper card was running too hot so I downgraded the system to the 950s. Just a thought.

. . For comparison runtimes I am running doublets, and they are taking about 24 to 26 Mins for Arecibo tasks and about 32 to 35 Mins for Guppis (Blc2s). The later versions of SoG tend to be faster on Guppis, especially over CUDA.

. . Just my 2 bits :)

Stephen

.

If you want to ask why I was going to use that version you can. Raistmer asked me the same thing and I was up to r3528 less than an hour from my OP. Since I'm currently using a NV GPU I have a reason to keep on the current release builds. In fact I had switched from r3528 to r3557 earlier today.
504) Message boards : Number crunching : Open Beta test: SoG for NVidia, Lunatics v0.45 - Beta6 (RC again) (Message 1829488)
Posted 10 Nov 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
. . I had a similar problem, Boinc did not close properly but the installation ran anyway. When it should have restarted boinc_tray (and presumably Boinc client) seemed to be in limbo and Boinc Manager would not talk to them. Rather than rush into a second instal attempt I manually closed and restarted Boinc and this time it initialised AOK and everything seemed to be as it should. I do think it would be wise to manually exit Boinc before running the setup app. I cannot tell at this point whether any tasks were ghosted but it seems not.

For clarity and accuracy:

The installer is designed to stop (if necessary) and restart (if stopped) the boinc client only - that's boinc.exe

It doesn't touch boinctray.exe (the invisible user activity detection tool) or boincmgr.exe (BOINC Manager, the source of the visible icon in the notification area).

The best guess I have is that on modern, fast machines the interval between stopping boinc.exe and restarting boinc.exe - the period when all the installer's work is done - is simply too short: something prevents boinc.exe starting again that soon. By the time you notice the problem, exit the Manager, and restart the Manager again, enough time has elapsed for BOINC Manager to successfully restart boinc.exe - as it's designed to do.

I'll try and slow the installer down a bit before final release.

I have found at least with BOINC 7.4+ it tend to take a bit longer when you need to cycle it. I imagine they may have gone with a more orderly shutdown app process to prevent files errors or such. Once the boinc.exe process terminates I allow another 5-10 seconds before I'll restart it.
505) Message boards : Number crunching : Building a 32 thread xeon system doesn't need to cost a lot (Message 1829474)
Posted 10 Nov 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hi Cosmic_Ocean,

Thanks for the reply.

I currently using Nocturas Heat sinks and Fans, so I have just bought some Nocturas CPU cleaner, and Nocturas thermal paste.

I have just read what you wrote with great interest; hopefully this next I seat the heat sinks/fans I will do a better job.

I think all avenues are pointing to the heat sink/fans not being done correctly due to non-excessive heat coming from them (when cpu's at 90c).

Thanks for your reply and advice,

Chris


I would say if you can place your hands on the heatsinks while the CPU cores are indicating 90ºC and keep them there. Then you may not have good thermal transfer to the heatsinks.

I don't really go for anything fancy when I apply thermal compound anymore. There were times when I spent a great deal of time trying to get that perfectly thin layer or 100% coverage. In the end I found unless you are shooting for some high end OC and need the last 0.0001% of thermal transfer it is a bunch of wasted effort.

My basic steps are:
1. Apply a 3-4mm ball of thermal compound to the middle of the CPU heat spreader.
2. Moosh the compound with the heatsink working it back and forth 3-4 times. (I twist clockwise and back.)
3. Pull the heatsink to see if it is covering ~80% of the CPU thermal spreader.
4. If coverage looks OK bolt the heatsink down.
Since the Xeons are a bit larger than a normal CPU I used a bit more thermal compound. Perhaps a 5-6mm ball.

I'm thinking I might grab a 2nd board so the temps you get will be good to know. I might go for a pair of the NH-D9DX i4 3U's instead of the NH-U12DXi4's if they get the job done for less money.

EDIT: Also I should add that my method of "cleaning" the CPUs. After clearing any large amount from the CPU. I tear a paper towel into ~2"x2" squares. Then rub the CPU spreader until the paper towel stops picking up any old thermal compound.
506) Message boards : Number crunching : Building a 32 thread xeon system doesn't need to cost a lot (Message 1829225)
Posted 9 Nov 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hi HAL9000,

Thanks for the reply.


The BIOS my MB arrived with was fine, but lacked the option for Turbo. Which is really the only reason I updated it to 02.06.0005.
Special note on updating the firmware. After following the update processes. Clear the BIOS using the reset jumper. Then let the system do its thing. I was sure for a few minutes that I nuked the BIOS. I had some beeping and a "no system memory" message before I cleared the BIOS. After the BIOS was cleared it did some beeps, took a long time to boot, but was fine.

Once I installed the Nocturas I've had no thermal issues. Even with turbo keeping all of the cores running 3.0GHz the heatsinks are not really even warm to the touch. The CPUs are between 50-55ºC running flat out with HT on and the fans right around 1000RPM.

If you are seeing those kind of temps at idle something seems wonky. Like perhaps the heatsinks are not secured correctly or something, but if the heatsinks are getting warm that would point to them making good contact.


I just checked and my BIOS and it is: v1.02.0003 so a much lesser version than the one you updated to: v2.006.0005

Can I ask..

1) Did you update to the next (slightly higher) BIOS update, or just update straight to the latest and highest version BIOS update?

2) Also, what software are using to monitor CPU fan speeds?

3) And lastly, did you monitor CPU temp after you installed the Nocturas, but before you updated the BIOS, or did you not do it in that order?

Thanks HAL, hopefully I can get this finally sorted.

Chris


I forget which BIOS my MB came with, but it was a v1.something. I figured why not try the newest v2.x BIOS first. Since there were release notes indicating that a staggered update was needed.

Mostly I use HWMonitor for quick temp monitoring. It isn't great for long term. As the values tend to go wacky after a while. Unless I have fans that intermittently run at 50,000RPM.
If I want to monitor specific things and/or log the data. Then I'll use HWINFO. It seems to do a pretty job and is customize able. http://i.imgur.com/N24WAu1.png

My temps were probably only changed in that they likely went up a bit once I updated the BIOS. Gaining the use of Turbo bumped the CPUs from 2.6GHz to 3.0GHz. I was focused more on the core temps than the package originally.
Are your CPUs running at 2.6GHz, or a different speed? Perhaps your older BIOS is trying to constantly push them to their full 3.3GHz Turbo freq? Which would not make cooling easy in any way.

Today the system is running a few degrees warmer than normal. It was a warm sunny day and I had all of the windows shut. I found the thermostat displaying 76º when I got home from work. The system is sitting in a lot a floor above the thermostat. I'd expect it to be a few degrees warmer up there in general.
507) Message boards : Number crunching : Building a 32 thread xeon system doesn't need to cost a lot (Message 1829161)
Posted 8 Nov 2016 by Profile HAL9000
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You have it connected correctly. Forget my suggestion.


No worries.

This is why I was hoping to find someone that had built one of these boxes via this Motherboard S2600CP2J as then hopefully they could spot the problem.

I very much appreciate all the help you guys have offered so far though.

I think it all may be related to not updating the BIOS as I think that may fix and add options to the BIOS.

For now I have just turned off Hyper-threading and if necessary, will drop % of CPU usage via Boinc.

Thanks again,

Chris

I just finished putting the same MB & CPU config together on Saturday.

Before the heatsinks arrived on Saturday I had fired it up a few times with some old sock604 heatsinks sitting on top of the CPUs with no thermal compound or fans. Just so I could see it fire up and install an OS. At which time the temps would hover near throttling.

The BIOS my MB arrived with was fine, but lacked the option for Turbo. Which is really the only reason I updated it to 02.06.0005.
Special note on updating the firmware. After following the update processes. Clear the BIOS using the reset jumper. Then let the system do its thing. I was sure for a few minutes that I nuked the BIOS. I had some beeping and a "no system memory" message before I cleared the BIOS. After the BIOS was cleared it did some beeps, took a long time to boot, but was fine.

Once I installed the Nocturas I've had no thermal issues. Even with turbo keeping all of the cores running 3.0GHz the heatsinks are not really even warm to the touch. The CPUs are between 50-55ºC running flat out with HT on and the fans right around 1000RPM.
If you are seeing those kind of temps at idle something seems wonky. Like perhaps the heatsinks are not secured correctly or something, but if the heatsinks are getting warm that would point to them making good contact.

As a side note I normally use MS Paint to resize my photos before I upload them.
508) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (103) Server Problems? (Message 1829119)
Posted 8 Nov 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
One would think that.

I have tried every variation I can think of and nothing works. Checked ever wingman that has run cuda and they are all using defauls, so I'm guessing it isn't easy.

When I was running CUDA tasks this is what I used in my MBCUDA.cfg.
processpriority = abovenormal
pfblockspersm = 15
pfperiodsperlaunch = 200


And the .CFG options were reflected in the stderr.txt.

Ah OK I wasn't sure if you were looking for the undocumented/unsupported CUDA app parameters.
509) Message boards : Number crunching : GPU testing on low powered CPU (Message 1829112)
Posted 8 Nov 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I'm using a PCIe x1 adapter with mine I may expect there could be a reduction in speed with a x1 connection.

Depending on the hardware & application, yes. But as to how much it will impact crunching times- I couldn't begin to guess.
With CUDA50 my PCIe bus load was generally 0%, the odd 1-2% blip.
Running 1 WU at a time with SoG & some aggressive settings on my GTX 1070, I get PCIe bus load sustained peaks of around 15% on a *8 connection (PCIe v3.1) (My GTX 750Ti sometimes has very short peaks of 17%).
If my figuring is correct, that would work out to around 120% of a *1 connection.

However sometime next year PCIe v4 should see the light of day, with double the bandwidth of PCIe v3.x

Since the system I'm using only has PCIe 2.0 x1 it seems like it may be an issue. Running the CUDA50 app I was seeing around 44% load on the bus from GPUz. With the NV SoG app I don't believe I have seen it go over 5%. While staying mostly in the 2-3% range. I've also been running with an empty mb_cmdline.txt. So adding some settings may drive it up. If so I'd just have to find the break even point between settings and bus saturation slowing things down.
510) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (103) Server Problems? (Message 1829110)
Posted 8 Nov 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
One would think that.

I have tried every variation I can think of and nothing works. Checked ever wingman that has run cuda and they are all using defauls, so I'm guessing it isn't easy.

It depends on what you want to change. The app parameters would be via mbcuda.cfg. If you wanted to change the number of running tasks or reserve extra CPU cores then you would use the app_config,xml for stock/beta apps. Other than bumping up processpriority in the mbcuda.cfg I didn't have much luck with the other parameters with my 750Ti FTW.
511) Message boards : Number crunching : 1070 SLI Boot Delay (Message 1828925)
Posted 6 Nov 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
When I first got my R9 390X I was having a similar issue. For me it turned out I needed to toggle the BIOS/UEFI button on the GPU. So that it matched my system setting of BIOS rather than UEFI. I could enable my system for UEFI, but I don't see how I would again anything when using Windows 7.
512) Message boards : Number crunching : GPU testing on low powered CPU (Message 1828919)
Posted 6 Nov 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Running 2 GUPPI VLARs with SoG seems to give a pretty solid 35m run time for me.

The CPU time is > than the Run Time, but I expect that has to do with the nature of the slower CPU.
I could play with -use_sleep settings to see if they make any measurable difference.
513) Message boards : Number crunching : Building a 32 thread xeon system doesn't need to cost a lot (Message 1828889)
Posted 6 Nov 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hey, gratz on getting it up and running, and I like my Noctura coolers too, they make pretty good stuff. That should make a significant difference in your RAC... ;-) Are you going to hook up any GPU's to it, and if so, which ones?

I ended up going with the slightly larger Noctura NH-U12DXi4 coolers once I realized how much room I really had in the case.
http://i.imgur.com/ZMqgcrB.jpg

I could easily pop in two GPUs to this system, but I don't currently have any plans to do anything crazy in regards to GPUs. Maybe a pair of RX 470's or 1050Ti's that won't make a bunch of noise.
From how 32 tasks are running the math seems to indicate that it should be able to churn though more MB work a day than my R9 390X. While using the same or less amount of power.
514) Message boards : Number crunching : GPU testing on low powered CPU (Message 1828887)
Posted 6 Nov 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
You could take a look at my AMD 4200+ 2 core for a comparison
AMD 4200 it works well with a 750Ti and no CPU task.

Guppie ~ 35-40 minutes 2 at a time with SoG
A sample:
<snip>

Good info. Is your GPU using PCIe x16 or is it limited to less on the MB? As I'm using a PCIe x1 adapter with mine I may expect there could be a reduction in speed with a x1 connection.

After switching from CUDA to SoG I was getting mostly normal AR Arecibo tasks. Which were running in 15-18min. I believe that is similar to how single CUDA tasks ran with the 750Ti in the 3.33GHz Xeon.

I suspended the Arecibo I had on hand and let the GUPPI VLARs run one at a time. The run times look to be 18m45s-19m15s. At the moment I'm configuring to run 2 SoG tasks, but I have to adjust other project settings to free up another CPU core.

Normally the system runs:
1 - iGPU AP
2 - PrimeGrid
1 - Free
The NV GPU has been getting the normally free core. So I'm reducing PrimeGrid to 1 tasks while I run 2 SoG.

Currently I am running 2 tasks via app_config.xml setting.
It may turn out that -cpu_lock and -total_GPU_instances_num N could be a better option when running 2 tasks at once.
515) Message boards : Number crunching : User achievements thread......... (Message 1828711)
Posted 6 Nov 2016 by Profile HAL9000
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And here I am thinking I'd just like to get to 5 million...


I have had much smaller goals. Like completing 11 good tasks for each of the 12 Android apps on one device.
516) Message boards : Number crunching : Building a 32 thread xeon system doesn't need to cost a lot (Message 1828656)
Posted 5 Nov 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I got the last bits to fully spool up the S2600CP2J with E5-2670's today. After a quick BIOS version update to add the turbo option it's cooking 32 CPU AVX tasks at 3.0GHz. The Noctura coolers seem to be keeping the CPU temps below 50ºC at the moment as well. A few hundred tasks should tell how it is going to settle in long term.



If you have the time, please try it w/o HT, too. In this case, my dual E5-2670s seemed to do about the same amount of work with or w/o HT. My hypothesis is that all threads are running the same software, so whatever thread blocking occurs because of HT is at the max (?). Or, maybe, I am delusional. In any event, would be nice to have a second opinion data point. Thanks!

I am planning to run several different configurations to see how it responds. I may even see how NUMA enable/disable plays out again. Last time I tested NUMA it had to noticeable difference in SETI@home processing.

One thing the dual E5645 I was running at one point did find helpful was reducing the number of threads of 24 to 20 when it was loaded with VLARs. There was a significant difference in performance and run times. It could have been from memory saturation or something similar.
Related is what I found running a bunch of i7-860 machines.
These two configurations would produce about the same amount of daily work.
i7-860 DDR3-1333 HT-on 8 threads SETI@home
i7-860 DDR3-1600 HT-on 4 threads SETI@home
I did also try this config but it did tend to produce slightly less.
i7-860 DDR3-1600 HT-off 4 threads SETI@home

Depending on how much work it can do I may spring for 2 or 3 more, but I might need try a setup E5-2670v2 before I make that call.
517) Message boards : Number crunching : Building a 32 thread xeon system doesn't need to cost a lot (Message 1828634)
Posted 5 Nov 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I got the last bits to fully spool up the S2600CP2J with E5-2670's today. After a quick BIOS version update to add the turbo option it's cooking 32 CPU AVX tasks at 3.0GHz. The Noctura coolers seem to be keeping the CPU temps below 50ºC at the moment as well. A few hundred tasks should tell how it is going to settle in long term.
518) Message boards : Number crunching : GPU testing on low powered CPU (Message 1828547)
Posted 5 Nov 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
to run the NV SOG r3420 app for comparison of the CUDA. Then maybe some tuning parameters.

??? r3528 is current one

I had r3420 handy from the v0.45 Beta installer. Since I was not using the GPU recently I wasn't keeping up to date on the releases.
Just grabbed r3528. The CUDA app is still finishing tasks. So I had not used r3420 yet.
519) Message boards : Number crunching : GPU testing on low powered CPU (Message 1828527)
Posted 5 Nov 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I recently redid my Celeron J1900 system with a more appropriately size PSU since the 550w I was using was a bit much. Plus I went for a new cube case. http://i.imgur.com/Hey7HV6.jpg http://i.imgur.com/F5mytjx.jpg http://i.imgur.com/HzEmS6B.png
I decided to pickup a PCIe x1 to x16 adapter while I was at it for my GTX 750 Ti FTW and give it a go while I was at it. So far there don't seem to be any issues running the GPU in the system off of the adapter.

I have started with the x41zi CUDA50 app. I used that app when the 750 was in my dual Xeon X5470 system. Mostly my goal is to see how such a small CPU effects the GPU. Since the GPU isn't a super cruncher it may turn out to be a good pairing.

When I was running the 750 in my dual Xeon X5470 I beleive it may have only run normal AR Arecibo tasks at that time.
I did find a comment in a post stating it was running:
2 Arecibo at once: ~25min

For the past few days the 750 has been running in the Celeron and chewing on a load of GUPPI VLARS.
2 GUPPI VLAR at once: 70-75min
1 GUPPI VLAR at once: 42-45m
CPU usage for the CUDA app looks to run upwards at 15-17% sometimes.

I don't have a reference for this system with Arecibo tasks but I believe that 2-3 times as long for GUPPI VLARs using the CUDA app should be about as expected?

I'm going to run a short batch of CPU GUPPI VLARs for a data point and then my plan is to run the NV SOG r3420 app for comparison of the CUDA. Then maybe some tuning parameters.
520) Message boards : Number crunching : Building a 32 thread xeon system doesn't need to cost a lot (Message 1828363)
Posted 4 Nov 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I like Al's method- Leave them naked.

Yeah when you have a load of systems having them all open is kind of neat. In the classic days I had a metal wire racks that I used to hold systems.
At that point I was using something like like S370 Celeron 400MHz systems zip tied back to back with 1 PSU for each of the two MBs. Then lined up each pair vertically between upper and lower shelves. I had a few pictures of the setup at one point, but I think they may have been lost to time. :(
Currently only my Dual Xeon(R) CPU X5470 is open, but it really needs to be mounted to at least a MB tray for the coolers to make correct contact wit the CPUs. Due to the nature of the cooling design Intel implemented in that generation. Otherwise it looks alright to me.

Yep, I really like the open, free and breezy deal, and funny you should mention that, I am going to be setting up racks similar to what you described over the winter, it is going to be an interesting project. Trying right now to figure out how many boards I can power off of one PSU, 2 is easy, more is challenging, but I have plenty of time to figure it all out. :-) Like you my challenge right now is the motherboard trays for them, but I am possibly getting a machine which might be able to solve that problem for me, and if it works out, possibly for others as well down the road. Like usual, too many projects and too little time.

Yeah those trays can be a bugger to find. I imagine the easiest thing for me to do at this point be to use masonite, MDF, or an old case side panel and then attach all of the standoffs I need. I've been thinking over design setups for either a few more dual LGA2011 systems or maybe a small group of miniITXs next.

In my back to back MB setup I had placed a sheet of nonconductive bubble wrap between them before applying the zip ties. It left enough room that each MB would sit on either side of the wires in the rack. With MB trays you will probably have a bit more of a solid foundation to work with so that may not be an issue for you. My original plan for the setup was to have a box built so I could slide the MBs in, like cards, but I was the one that would have had to build it at work. So I went a slightly... easier route.

It looks like the E5-2665 is still quite a bargain on ebay right now. Despise the uptick in the E5-2670 pricing.
521) Message boards : Number crunching : Radeon HD 5450 problems (Message 1828226)
Posted 3 Nov 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Th problem of the latest drivers from amd, ie version 16.X and above is that they use opencl version 2 which you need a atleast a 7000 series or higher gpu to run.

Which is why the HD5000 & HD6000 are not supported in newer releases...
522) Message boards : Number crunching : Building a 32 thread xeon system doesn't need to cost a lot (Message 1827914)
Posted 2 Nov 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I like Al's method- Leave them naked.

Yeah when you have a load of systems having them all open is kind of neat. In the classic days I had a metal wire racks that I used to hold systems.
At that point I was using something like like S370 Celeron 400MHz systems zip tied back to back with 1 PSU for each of the two MBs. Then lined up each pair vertically between upper and lower shelves. I had a few pictures of the setup at one point, but I think they may have been lost to time. :(
Currently only my Dual Xeon(R) CPU X5470 is open, but it really needs to be mounted to at least a MB tray for the coolers to make correct contact wit the CPUs. Due to the nature of the cooling design Intel implemented in that generation. Otherwise it looks alright to me.
523) Message boards : Number crunching : Can you guys use another 50 PC's ? (Message 1827890)
Posted 2 Nov 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Answering on title question: yes, sure!
From conversation with Eric I know that project is lacking computational power in such degree that some reduction in computational intencity of GUPPI (at least) tasks is planned. To keep up with incoming data flow.

Wait what? So its being planned that we are reducing the rate of data that comes from breakthrough listen?
Or am I interpreting the statement incorrectly?

I think I read Raistmer's interpretation as meaning that we'd do a simpler, 'quick check' type of processing, so we'd look at more data but in less detail until our collective computational power is enough to keep up with the recording rate (which may be a long way off, because the biggest impact of Breakthrough Listen seems to be to increase the recording rate, without paying any attention to increasing the volunteer analysis rate).

Then we would have plenty of data to go over with higher degrees of scrutiny as processing power improves over the years.
524) Message boards : Number crunching : Can you guys use another 50 PC's ? (Message 1827823)
Posted 1 Nov 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have a new office with about 50 pc's in it , I am going to hook them up on the network when there are not in use, Any suggestions or roadblocks any of you have experienced doing this ? Its running windows server 2012 R2 and the clients are windows 10 Machines!

When managing a whole load of machines you will want to learn the ways of boinccmd. With it and a modest knowledge of .bat, or powershell, scripting you will save loads of time in setup/management of the hosts.
Once you have your gui_rpc_auth.cfg in place I suggesting using the cc_config.xml option <allow_remote_gui_rpc> instead of having a remote_hosts.cfg with a bunch of addresses, but that is a personal preference.
525) Message boards : Number crunching : Moore's Law illustrated (Message 1827784)
Posted 31 Oct 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Looks like the number of interconnection standards is obeying Moore's Law as well...

I'm guessing I got an M.2 (NGFF) card. Plugs into an L-shaped connector on the motherboard (push in at a slight angle, press it down to lie flat and parallel to the motherboard, fix with a single retaining screw to a stand-off). Very neat, once you know what you're looking for.

It'd odd now they look nearly like Mini PCIe cards, but with storage moving to a direct PCIe connection I guess it may not be.


You're more correct than you know. Because the SATA specification hasn't kept up with SSD technology (and SATA 3G and 6G were made specifically to try to overcome the limitations of ATA specifically for SSDs since HDDs cannot saturate a SATA 1.5G connection), a new specification was created to basically plug the SSD directly into the PCIe bus. This new specification is known as M.2 and is an extension of the PCIe 3.0 x4 slot. Due to the limit of available PCIe lanes in a given CPU/chipset, often if you use M.2 you lose functionality of one of the onboard PCIe slots on the motherboard. Given the speed increase, I'd say it's a fair trade-off.

I've pretty much been keeping up with SATA Express. By this point in time I was hoping it would have lead to RAID controllers and backplanes that would be more cost effective than SAS counterparts, but it looks like things are not quite to that point as of yet.

For internal use, like notebooks or MB mounted storage, M.2 is a good solution. I'll likely go with something like that for the boot disk in my next HTPC or other lower powered system. The 1TB M.2 drives are no larger than some old USB flash drives...
526) Message boards : Number crunching : Building a 32 thread xeon system doesn't need to cost a lot (Message 1827638)
Posted 31 Oct 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
On my E5-2670 dualie, using a low-end Asrock board (EP2C602 - only $300 new), I use a pair of Corsair H50s for cooling, because I had them lying around. They keep the CPUs around 60 C 24/7.

I have also considered using the all in one water coolers. I'm going to be putting the systems in a Thermaltake Core X9 chassis. So I shouldn't have to worry about having enough room, in the case, for proper CPU cooling. It depending on what kind of clearances I have around the CPUs and memory that will really be the deciding factor on what kind of cooling I end up using.
527) Message boards : Number crunching : Errors while Downloading (Message 1827472)
Posted 30 Oct 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
If it randomly started and a reboot doesn't clear things up.
Then I would start troubleshooting by changing the network port it is connected to on your switch or router. Alternatively you may be able to access the interface for the network device and see if you are getting errors on the port it uses. Which could also mean a NIC that is starting to act up if you see errors on your switch or router and it follows the system.
If nothing seems to be wonky for the network then I would look at memory and disk issues next. With SMART disk issues are normally pretty easy to track down. Memory issues can be a pain. I've had systems that passed all memory scan tests but had issues when specific DIMMs were used.
528) Message boards : Number crunching : Building a 32 thread xeon system doesn't need to cost a lot (Message 1827333)
Posted 29 Oct 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Has anyone seen any good deals on dual LGA2011 motherboards recently for the Xeons E5-2670/E5-2660's? The CPUs are still going for very little, but the MBs seem to be a really hard thing to come by.
With my recent change in job and increase in finds I was hoping to put something along these lines together for my home VMware box.


Here you go:

Intel MB, dual E5-2670s and 128GB RAM, under $500 (note that the 2670s have gone up about $20 each in the last 2-3 months on eBay):

http://www.natex.us/category-s/1885.htm?searching=Y&sort=5&cat=1885&show=4&page=1

The $175 for the bare board is pretty much what I was hoping to spend for a MB, but their package is a pretty good deal with the CPUs & 128GB. They have a 64GB package as well, but it is only $23 less.
It also looks like it will work with the E5-2670 V2 chips I managed to get really cheaply at a local place.

I was already looking at a pair of Noctua NH-D9DX i4 3U. I'll just have to make sure there is clearance for them once the MB arrives.
529) Message boards : Number crunching : Linux temp monitoring tool? (Message 1827330)
Posted 29 Oct 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Has anybody here tested some temp monitoring tools for Linux Ubuntu?
on Win I use Tthrottle & it saved few of my GPUs already...but I've not been an adapt on Linux...

Been using 14.04LTS & 16.04LTS at home...don't want to fry the CPU & GPUs...

So you would like throttling control and not just thermal monitoring?
If there isn't a tool for that you could likely do a little script. After polling for thermal activity it could then send commands to BOINC via boinccmd to limit usage.
530) Message boards : Number crunching : Radeon HD 5450 problems (Message 1826993)
Posted 27 Oct 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
no idea if its related but on my secondary PC i have a HD 5670 512Mb which wouldn't crunch for some reason...
Then i installed a GPU-Z and noticed that there was missing OpenCL

Then i installed the latest AMD drivers Crimson 16.2.1 or something...
But it didn't work.

Then i went to manufacturer site and found my driver there...
after installing AMD Omega Catalyst 14.12 and run an Catalyst update, i am able to crunch... it seems that Crimson package doesn't contain OpenCL drivers for older cards

Did you use a tool like DDU to remove the old driver before switching? Otherwise you can have mismatched GPU driver and OpenCL versions. Which can lead to tasks with errors.

Also Catalyst 15.7.1 is the last driver release that support HD5000 & HD6000 GPUs. Crimson driver releases really only support GCN based GPUs.
You can always see if a release supports your GPU by looking at the Supported Products tab on the driver download page.
531) Message boards : Number crunching : Moore's Law illustrated (Message 1826840)
Posted 26 Oct 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
It should have been a ball mouse (they were expensive at the time):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_mouse#Mechanical_mice

I see your edit, but footnote #36 of that Wiki entry had already led me to


(from InfoWorld, May 14 1984)

The dates are right, but that doesn't specify the light source used: I agree it's more likely to have been an LED than a laser at that time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optical_mouse#Early_optical_mice
Looks like there were two competing techs. I do recall the version that used a grid in some science museum I went to in the 80's when I was very young.
532) Message boards : Number crunching : Moore's Law illustrated (Message 1826817)
Posted 26 Oct 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Looks like the number of interconnection standards is obeying Moore's Law as well...

I'm guessing I got an M.2 (NGFF) card. Plugs into an L-shaped connector on the motherboard (push in at a slight angle, press it down to lie flat and parallel to the motherboard, fix with a single retaining screw to a stand-off). Very neat, once you know what you're looking for.

It'd odd now they look nearly like Mini PCIe cards, but with storage moving to a direct PCIe connection I guess it may not be.
533) Message boards : Number crunching : BOINC client isn't downloading new S@H workunits on S6 Android (Message 1826737)
Posted 26 Oct 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I just updated my Galaxy Tab S2 to Marshmallow (Android 6.0.1) tonight. BOINC 7.4.43 still works fine on it for me. Downloaded, finished, uploaded, & reported a SETI@home task with only minimal problems reporting. So only standard Tuesday post outage issues.
534) Message boards : Number crunching : WU's not downloading? (Message 1826735)
Posted 26 Oct 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hi all

Sorry i Goofed out, my settings are set to accept GPU work only and i am connecting a secondary machine that does not have a GPU, forgot that i even setup my preferences that way.


On a side note does anyone know when we will start getting break though listing data?

We have been working on data from the GBT, which is part of Breakthrough Listen, for months.
535) Message boards : Number crunching : Invalid Short GUPPI WU (Message 1825637)
Posted 20 Oct 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Both are -9 result_overflow tasks. In both situations your host found a large number of pulses. Where the CPU hosts found mostly spikes.

Spike count:    23
Autocorr count: 0
Pulse count:    7
Triplet count:  0
Gaussian count: 0


Spike count:    1
Autocorr count: 0
Pulse count:    29
Triplet count:  0
Gaussian count: 0
536) Message boards : Number crunching : Building a 32 thread xeon system doesn't need to cost a lot (Message 1825304)
Posted 19 Oct 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Has anyone seen any good deals on dual LGA2011 motherboards recently for the Xeons E5-2670/E5-2660's? The CPUs are still going for very little, but the MBs seem to be a really hard thing to come by.
With my recent change in job and increase in finds I was hoping to put something along these lines together for my home VMware box.
537) Message boards : Number crunching : GPU Wars 2016:  Pascal vs Polaris (Message 1825065)
Posted 18 Oct 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
AMD rumoured to be revising Polaris
    »  "50 percent improvement per watt"
    »  "They should be out under RX 4XX branding in a few months . . ."


I was just thinking of replacing the old HD6870 in my HTPC with a RX 460, but maybe I'll hold off for a bit now.
538) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows 10 - Yea or Nay? (Message 1825063)
Posted 18 Oct 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
From my understanding, WSUS still gets the individual updates, as well as the rolled-up one. But truth be told... I turned Updates off on both of my machines.

I don't really see a point in continuing to get these updates, unless you still use IE and go to sketchy websites frequently. For those of us who excise a bit of caution and sense, we can basically run without updates or even A/V without issues--I know I did just that for a number of years back in the XP days, even with IE6. Someone called BS on the fact that I was using IE6 and had no A/V and claimed I had no infections, so I downloaded the A/V scanner they considered the best and ran a full system scan... it came up clean.

A little bit of caution goes a long way.

I haven't used AV software on my main home rig since the 90's. All I ever found AV good for is slowing down a perfectly good system and quarantining needed files from false positives.
539) Message boards : Number crunching : Nexus 5X: Android tasks fail immediately (Message 1823888)
Posted 13 Oct 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I seem to recall that error would occur when BOINC was run from an SD Card, but I don't believe that any version of BOINC supports being installed that way.
540) Message boards : News : Replica database offline... (Message 1823886)
Posted 13 Oct 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Perhaps there could be a project for an intern to make an automated forum/BOINC notice system that would post a message along the lines of "___ has unexpectedly gone offline. Staff has been notified. Please be patient while the issue is resolved."


The "problem" is the notification is (usually) an email, which the puts the next step onto the "intern"/staff to read the email - even on vacation, or when out sick.

The reason I mentioned an automated message that posted to the forum or used the BOINC notification system. I think all news posts get routed to the notification system anyway.
Since there are always those that whine and throw a fit about "no one tells us what is going on or acknowledges the problem". While forgetting about all of the times the guys have stayed up late, taken time out of their weekends, or holidays to fix issues.
It seems like something that might improve PR a bit.
541) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (103) Server Problems? (Message 1823258)
Posted 10 Oct 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
There is a message on the front page

Replica database offline...
The replica database will be offline until we can restore it from the primary database on tuesday (at the earlies). This will result in slowness of the web site and the scheduler.

Indeed. I hope Eric was actually feeling better & not just pressured to give us some info.



Hence my earlier question:

"Is Eric the only one who can add a message?"

If he is then surely that needs changing. Simple contingency planning.

If he isn't then why didn't anyone else take 30 seconds to give the update several days ago?

BTW Eric's note is exactly what was needed and I'm grateful for it.

Jeff & DA can. However there schedules may prevent them from being able to do so.
542) Message boards : News : Replica database offline... (Message 1823127)
Posted 10 Oct 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thank you for taking time out on the weekend to let us know how the servers were doing.

Perhaps there could be a project for an intern to make an automated forum/BOINC notice system that would post a message along the lines of "___ has unexpectedly gone offline. Staff has been notified. Please be patient while the issue is resolved."
543) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (103) Server Problems? (Message 1823124)
Posted 10 Oct 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
There is a message on the front page

Replica database offline...
The replica database will be offline until we can restore it from the primary database on tuesday (at the earlies). This will result in slowness of the web site and the scheduler.

Indeed. I hope Eric was actually feeling better & not just pressured to give us some info.
544) Message boards : Number crunching : No Such Computer and 0 Tasks (Message 1823120)
Posted 10 Oct 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I did just see a small increase in total credit, so I'm prepared to believe that there is simply a huge backlog. Still there should be communication when something like this happens. How long does it take to type, "Sorry for the delay in crediting results. There was a problem with X. Things should be caught up by Y. Thanks for your patience and contribution to the project."? Actually that should be done using the Notices facility, so people don't have to come here to find out what the hell is going on.

Since it is still the weekend there should be no expectations for any type of communication from the staff. With Eric out of commission there might be two other individuals on the Berkeley campus that would be able to monitor the system and report any information to us. However they may not even have the time to go "up the hill" to the Space Sciences Laboratory to check on things. With all of the other backend running in good order it really is a very minor problem.

Checking the Free-DC stats for your account it shows you were at 1,579,852 as of the 2016-10-05 stats dump and at the time of posting this you are at 1,616,918. A difference of 37066. It looks like you normally gain 8,000 to 10,000 credit a day. So the numbers look pretty spot on from my perspective for the past 4 days. I would say everything else but the display of host and task info seems to be working.

Over there years there have been issues of much greater magnitude. Sometimes we were informed of what had happened.

EDIT: Also https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=80371
545) Message boards : Number crunching : No Such Computer and 0 Tasks (Message 1822974)
Posted 9 Oct 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have exactly the same problem, and as usual nothing from the lab to explain why or any sort of time scales for putting it right.

It is not the end of the world but damn irritating to the faithful followers.

Matt always used to give a weekly tech update, those days are long gone and so it seems is Matt. Eric is far too busy, and Jeff has other stuff to do. As I understand it there is nobody else.

Users 1,650,412
Active users 138,387 (8.38%)
Hosts 4,063,801
Active hosts 160,861 (3.96%)

Those numbers could fall even further if this doesn't get sorted out. If there is something seriously wrong with Caroline then why not say so? If they need funding to replace or upgrade it I'll chip in what I can. We can't help if we're kept in the dark.

My 16th Seti Anni is due in 10 days and I'm not going anywhere, but a bit of feedback wouldn't go amiss?

It is good that Matt is at work for breakthrough listen these days, but sadly that left SET@home with fewer day to day resources.

I'm not having any issues returning and getting new work. Sometimes in the past if they new the replica would be offline for a long time they would switch over to the live data on the master for us. Since that didn't happen I would guess that perhaps they started a rebuild or restore on the replica and left it to run over the weekend. Then perhaps Monday or after Tuesday maintenance it will be back online.
546) Message boards : Number crunching : Running asteroids@home as well as seti@home has caused 100 seti@home projects to be abandoned., (Message 1822971)
Posted 9 Oct 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
BOINC tries to allocate resources to projects as best it can but sometimes I feel it needs a bit of help. One method that can be employed is using an app_config.xml to limit the number of takes a project runs at once.

You could using a simple app_config for asteroids like this. Which would always leave one free thread open on your CPU to run SET@home.
<app_config>
   <project_max_concurrent>3</project_max_concurrent>
</app_config>

The downside to this method is that if your systems had 0 SETI@home tasks it would still only run 3 asteroids tasks.
547) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (103) Server Problems? (Message 1822969)
Posted 9 Oct 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
come on replica! Breathe! (Need data for some code polishing :D)

Would be nice if someone in Berkeley at least let us know if they're working on it and/or what the issue might be. Then again, communicating useful information to the great unwashed masses is not their strong suit.

With Eric ill plus the longstanding manpower shortage it is quite understandable.
I really, really miss the replica.



Is Eric the only one who can add a message?
Has nobody had even 30 seconds during the last several days to at least acknowledge the issue?
Maybe they've found ET, decided they're not helpful, job done, shut down commenced, all gone home!

For a project so reliant on 'us' it sometimes appears that we are not deemed very important.

Well there is no full time SETI@home staff. They all have several other responsibilities to work on & may only allocate a few hours a week to work SETI@home stuff. They could spend that time working on the issue or telling us something is broken with an unknown time to fix. Which will have users posing more questions.
Also the replica database server isn't required to run the project. If it goes wonky for a while it isn't a problem. It does make it more difficult is users needing help troubleshooting any issues.
548) Message boards : Number crunching : Long-term support for PPC? (Message 1822048)
Posted 5 Oct 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I imagine that the project will continue to support OS X PPC for as long it is possible to compile an app for it.
I'm not sure if they are already to the point of the PPC app being provide by a volunteer rather than compiled in house.
549) Message boards : Number crunching : Very small amounts of credit for GPU (Message 1820753)
Posted 30 Sep 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
It is called creditnew.

And also each project can set however much credit they want to for work. Some projects give large amounts of credit to attract more participants.
550) Message boards : Number crunching : Monitoring inconclusive GBT validations and harvesting data for testing (Message 1820567)
Posted 29 Sep 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
And don't we also have to consider the threshhold calculation when considering whether the outcome of those averaging/blocksum calculations is reportable?


Yes. For the fixed thresholds such as spikes there is an issue whereby a spike happening to fall just above threshold will be reported, and in another system may not. That uncertainty is the 'threshold problem' Eric has alluded to in the past, whereby there is no hysterisis band on reportability. [I have offered forward suggestions for solutions for the future, and Eric has expressed interest, though they require detailed modelling, and integration of error measurements in the apps (partially present in stock CPU bench part)]. Unlikely to go in anytime soon since v8 was pushed out before these moves could germinate fully.

For the changing thresholds that are calculated, similar constraints apply for the levels or fit, with the complication that there will be some small amount of unavoidable error in the threshold value calculation itself.

[Edit:] I should point out that we're talking tiny fractions of very small numbers, that, where would apply, would stand out as being close to some threshold in one or another result file)

Interestingly techniques for this sortof stuff were invented at Berkeley decades ago, but mostly ignored in the US. The Japanese took up a lot of the work in that area and made autofocus, and ricecookers into things.

It's good to know that the maths behind looking for ETI signals & perfectly cooked rice are related.

Also at the rate that processors are being stuffed into everything I expect my next rice cooker will be able to run some of the SETI@home apps in a timely manor. http://www.geek.com/android/android-makes-the-transition-to-rice-cookers-and-beyond-1535582/
551) Message boards : Number crunching : BOINC client isn't downloading new S@H workunits on S6 Android (Message 1820163)
Posted 27 Sep 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Can you upload or send it ?

https://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/boinc_7.4.43.apk
552) Message boards : Number crunching : Reload S@H to get Astropulse? (Message 1818785)
Posted 22 Sep 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I must not have been as specific as I intended.

My plan is to download SETI@Home from the BOINC site; not to download BOINC again.

I understand that SETI files come from SETI.

No, now that I re-read my original question, I was more than specific enough in describing what I would like to do. The problem seems to be that you had difficulties understanding my description.

In looking at the S@H files in the projects subdirectory, it looks like I'm missing some files. My plan is/was to finish up all my current S@H tasks, completely unload S@H, reboot everything and reinstall S@H from the BOINC site on the assumption that I will get a complete fileset.

The main reason your machines are not getting Astropulse work is because the project has been issuing very little of it.

There isn't really any "install" for the SETI@home project files. Unless you are referring the using the Lunatics optimized application installer.

If you feel your local project files are damaged in some way you can simply hit the "Reset Project" button in BOINC. Then the application files will be downloaded as needed when your machine is issued new work.
553) Message boards : Number crunching : RX 480 - A serious contender? (Message 1818564)
Posted 21 Sep 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Actually the RX480 is in my graphs under "Ellesmere" -- it's infuriating but it seems like the CUDA device identifier insists on naming the family not the model which tragically will mean this includes RX470's etc -- however if you go back in that thread you'll find my earliest data for Ellesmere was consistently mediocre even with the RX480 was the only part in circulation.

BOINC 7.6.23+ uses a new name detection method for Radeon GPUs so that the BOINC developers don't have to hard code the GPU names. I don't know if you are taking that into account when searching for GPUs to chart.

This is how my R9 390X is displayed with the new code vs the old.
BOINC 7.6.23+: AMD AMD Radeon (TM) R9 390 Series (8192MB) OpenCL: 2.0
BOINC 7.6.22: AMD Grenada (8192MB) OpenCL: 2.0

For clarity I should have stated that the new detection method is only for non-CAL GPU/drivers. Older drivers that still report a CAL version will continue to display the hard coded names from BOINC like:
AMD AMD Radeon HD 7870/7950/7970/R9 280/R9 280X series (Tahiti) (3072MB) driver: 1.4.1848 OpenCL: 1.2

Also it has been found, at least in Linux, that no board name is displayed for RX 400 GPUs. Do we have any Windows users with a RX 400's using a BOINC 7.6.23 or newer?
554) Message boards : Number crunching : Open Beta test: SoG for NVidia, Lunatics v0.45 - Beta6 (RC again) (Message 1818387)
Posted 20 Sep 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
There's a suitable power plug or two. I just ordered a multimeter.

Will be very interesting to see how the 5/12v moves when BOINC is and is not running... can't say I've tested that, either ...

If you really want to see something scary you should use an oscilloscope to view your power rails at idle & with BOINC running apps.
I did that a few years ago on one of my machines.
555) Message boards : Number crunching : RX 480 - A serious contender? (Message 1818231)
Posted 19 Sep 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Actually the RX480 is in my graphs under "Ellesmere" -- it's infuriating but it seems like the CUDA device identifier insists on naming the family not the model which tragically will mean this includes RX470's etc -- however if you go back in that thread you'll find my earliest data for Ellesmere was consistently mediocre even with the RX480 was the only part in circulation.

BOINC 7.6.23+ uses a new name detection method for Radeon GPUs so that the BOINC developers don't have to hard code the GPU names. I don't know if you are taking that into account when searching for GPUs to chart.

This is how my R9 390X is displayed with the new code vs the old.
BOINC 7.6.23+: AMD AMD Radeon (TM) R9 390 Series (8192MB) OpenCL: 2.0
BOINC 7.6.22: AMD Grenada (8192MB) OpenCL: 2.0
556) Message boards : Number crunching : SETI@home on a Samsung Galaxy Tab 2 (Message 1817993)
Posted 18 Sep 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Not sure if this question should go here or over on the BOINC website.

Purely for kicks, I installed BOINC and S@H on my Galaxy Tab 2. Everything runs ok - I've even gotten a few credits.

I added an SD micro chip, but can't get either BOINC or S@H to use it.

Is there a setting or something somewhere to tell S@H to move to the SD chip?

The Android version is 4.2.2, which is current for this device.

On all of my Android devices I don't get the option of "Move to SD Card" for BOINC. I imagine this was a choice they made for the app. As many devices unmount the SD card when connected to a PC. Some devices also unmount the SD card in low power states.
557) Message boards : Number crunching : MB v8: CPU vs GPU (in terms of efficiency) (Message 1816031)
Posted 10 Sep 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

This type of calculation does not take into account the whole power usage of the system the device is in. To do that you would really need to use a power meter, or UPS with a power usage display, and measure each system at idle and then when processing tasks. The delta could then be used to calculate Wh/Task.

And that's quite important part. If some device completes task much faster - it needs correspondingly less amount of time when whole system powered ON. If very low-power device takes much longer to complete the same task - it requires full system support (with all its energy consuming overhead) through all this long time.

Hence, w/o accounting for whole system energy consumption overhead such CPU vs GPU efficiency comparisons are quite biased IMO and don't show real benefits of fast GPU computing.

I find it most useful to calculate the CPU & GPU in the same system for each app or type of work from a project. Then I can use the information to determine which device in the system is most suited to running a given type of work.
558) Message boards : Number crunching : MB v8: CPU vs GPU (in terms of efficiency) (Message 1815815)
Posted 8 Sep 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I normally calculate the Watt Hours per task for my devices to rank them by their efficiency. I have done a few posts about the method I use here & also here.
Using the TDP, run time, & # of tasks per device for your CPU & GPU I get.
Note: I rounded the task times to the nearest minute.
Also this calculation expects the run times to be when the specified number of tasks were running.
Device		Watts	# Tasks		Run Time	Task/hr		Task/day	Wh/Day		Wh/Task
GTX 750		55	   2		   42		2.857142	68.571428	1320		19.25
N3520		 7.5	   4		  305		0.786885	18.885245	 180		 9.53

Which would make the N3520 ~2.02 times as efficient as the GTX 750, but it completes less than a third as much work in a given day.

However, actual GPU power consumption is typically lower than the rated TDP value when processing tasks. A good rule of thumb is to use ~80%.
Many have found that their GTX 750's run in the 40-45W range. If we figure 80% of 55W that does happen to be 44W. Which would give the GTX 750 a Wh/Task of 15.4 instead of 19.25 & make the N3520 only ~1.62 times as efficient.
I should also add that my GTX 750 Ti FTW would complete two 0.42AR tasks at once in ~25 min while using ~45w. Giving it a Wh/Task of 9.38.

This type of calculation does not take into account the whole power usage of the system the device is in. To do that you would really need to use a power meter, or UPS with a power usage display, and measure each system at idle and then when processing tasks. The delta could then be used to calculate Wh/Task.

Task/hr = (60/Run Time)/# Tasks
Task/day = Task/hr * 24
Wh/Day = Watts * 24
Wh/Task = (Wh/Day)/(Task/day)
559) Message boards : Number crunching : odd performance issues with two i7 4770K CPU's (Message 1815104)
Posted 5 Sep 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
thanks guys, this page http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Computation_credit gives a description but I don't understand what it is meant by:

Recent average credit: The average number of Cobblestones per day granted recently. This average decreases by a factor of two every week.

especially the last sentence...

A simplified explanation could be something like.
RAC is an average of the past few weeks of daily credit. So the first day a host reports credit is has several days worth of 0's to overcome. If we go with 6 weeks & 1000 credit each day. Then the RAC would look something like:
Day 1: 1000/42 = 23.81 RAC
Day 7: 7000/42 = 166.66 RAC
Day 14: 14000/42 = 333.33 RAC
Day 21: 21000/42 = 500 RAC
Day 42: 42000/42 = 1000 RAC

Since RAC is Recent Average Credit the goal is likely to keep the value recent. Host RAC is, or was at one time, updated each time host credit updated. If a host stopped reporting completed work the RAC value would become stale with no further updates. So the decay mechanism will very slowly reduce the RAC of an inactive host to 0.
560) Message boards : Number crunching : Thought(s) on changing S@h limit of: 100tasks/mobo ...to a: ##/CPUcore (Message 1813479)
Posted 29 Aug 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Some links on the WU limit:


I was thinking of posts a bit older.
1185411
1197674
1229214

The posts I can find where the staff told us the values of the task limits are from 2010. Other posts are just notes like "task limits were raised".
561) Message boards : Number crunching : Thought(s) on changing S@h limit of: 100tasks/mobo ...to a: ##/CPUcore (Message 1813062)
Posted 27 Aug 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The last time per processor CPU limits were used the value was 50. So perhaps half of that, at 25 per processor, would be sufficient.

I don't recall ever having per processor or per core WU limits before.
I do remember them making the GPU limit per GPU instead of for all GPUs.

I believe it was around the end of 2011 or start of 2012. I seem to recall when they first set the task limits they had accidentally set 50 total per host. Then changed it to per processor for CPU. Then after some time the limits were removed, db when splat again, & then the limits were implemented again.
562) Message boards : Number crunching : Thought(s) on changing S@h limit of: 100tasks/mobo ...to a: ##/CPUcore (Message 1812863)
Posted 27 Aug 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Most of my machines are i7's so they get 100 / 8 threads = 12.5 WU per thread.

If we expand on that by saying we get 12.5 x number of threads then it could work for the smaller (single thread) machines as well as the larger (56 thread) machines. I would suggest we make it something like 15 per thread. Its simplistic and achievable with the current infrastructure.

A more long term approach might be to increase that number based upon the average turnaround if the host is considered reliable. It could also be applied the other way to reduce the number if the host is unreliable.

The last time per processor CPU limits were used the value was 50. So perhaps half of that, at 25 per processor, would be sufficient.
563) Message boards : Number crunching : Thought(s) on changing S@h limit of: 100tasks/mobo ...to a: ##/CPUcore (Message 1812650)
Posted 26 Aug 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
A few options come to mind.

1.
The CPU limit could be applied based on processors and determined value. Something along the lines of (host # of processors/4)*task limit.

2.
Perhaps modifying the JobLimits options to allow for specified host # of processor range limits.

Something along the lines of:
<project>
	<cpu_limit> if set, limit is applied to all hosts unless another values applies to the host
		<jobs>N</jobs>
	<cpu_limit_16> if set, limit is applied to host with 16+ processors
		<jobs>N</jobs>
	<cpu_limit_32> if set, limit is applied to host with 32+ processors
		<jobs>N</jobs>
	<cpu_limit_64> if set, limit is applied to host with 64+ processors
		<jobs>N</jobs>
	<cpu_limit_128> if set, limit is applied to host with 128+ processors
		<jobs>N</jobs>
</project>


3.
A graduated max CPU tasks in progress could be derived using Number of tasks today from the CPU apps. It might be necessary to take the Number of tasks today and then create an Average daily Number of tasks to use. Then a using the specified value set by the project a dynamic limit could be applied based on how productive the machine is rather than by the indicated number of processors.
I think this might be the most complicated method & with each app version change the average would be reset.
564) Message boards : Number crunching : Thought(s) on changing S@h limit of: 100tasks/mobo ...to a: ##/CPUcore (Message 1812197)
Posted 24 Aug 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I don't know the method that is currently being used to detect the # of processors, but I'm aware that there are cpuid functions that provide core/thread counts. That may also provide the socket count for the system, or could be somewhat wonky. Providing two lists of core 0,1,2,3 for a dual 4 core MB.

If the CPU socket count can be determined. Then having a limit of tasks per CPU socket would be helpful for multi CPU systems.
565) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows 10 - Yea or Nay? (Message 1810603)
Posted 20 Aug 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
My computers just went into no more updates mode.

I installed Sophos to handle my AV and malware needs.

Most of my machines never do updates.
http://i.imgur.com/TH5OjMS.png
But I did have to install an update on my HTPC once to get something to work.
http://i.imgur.com/WJ9Ggf8.png
566) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows 10 - Yea or Nay? (Message 1809912)
Posted 17 Aug 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
[IMG ]http://i715.photobucket.com/albums/ww153/Jimbocous/the-true-origin-of-the-tin-foil-hat.jpg[/IMG][/URL] Here we go again ...

I don't know why anyone would wear a foil hat like that to try to block signals in/out of their head. Unless it is properly grounded it would only serve as antenna.

With the free upgrade period offer over I've been considering setting up another Window 7 VM to see what updates they push out to it. Last time I did that I came back to the VM running Windows 10 with no human intervention.
567) Message boards : Number crunching : 20-core/40-thread Xeon E5-2630 v4 duo (Message 1809080)
Posted 14 Aug 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I'm pretty sure there are ways to split PCIe slots into multiple x4s and so forth. Theoretically you should be able to turn one x16 into 16 x1's.

I don't see how.

Each slot has it's own device number. The PCIe*1 section includes power, data, signalling connections. The other sections just include data & signalling to indicate they are being used.
The slot, and the software drivers, are designed for a single device- not for running multiple different devices in the one slot.
That's why there are multiple slots.

Some slots share PCIe lanes, which is why a PCIe*16 slot can become a PCIe*8 slot when another slot on the motherboard is used.
One device per slot; the PCIe lanes can be shared between slots, but they are only ever used by one device at a time.

I believe the configuration of the PCIe slots on a MB may be limited by Intel or AMD. On Intel's site they often list the PCIe configuration options under the CPU specs.
Supported Processor PCI Express Port Configurations: 1x16, 2x8, 1x8 and 2x4

The use of PCIe switches or splitters can be utilized to allow more PCIe devices than originally intended. The easiest options is to use a PCIe expansion chassis.
568) Message boards : Number crunching : 20-core/40-thread Xeon E5-2630 v4 duo (Message 1808581)
Posted 11 Aug 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Given:

... a simple rig with twin 1070's should be more productive.

also

And when you consider how well Al's system performs, this would be a very capable cruncher.

and, although this remains unanswered

I'd hazard a guess that a pair of 1070's would be a bit better throughput.

For guppies or for traditional work?

My interest is long-term (ie. Efficiency).  For example, referencing Shaggie's graphs (most recent one here), we can see that when it comes to production (Avg Credit/Hour), the 1070 spanks the 750Ti.  However, when it comes to efficiency (Avg Credit/Watt-Hour), the 750 Ti more than holds it own, which means more bang for your buck (efficiency-wise).

Having said that, if we were to compare a rig only crunching on two 1070s (with 1, 2 or 3 WUs concurrently), with the topic rig of this thread crunching on all threads concurrently, which one would wear the efficiency crown?

Since Credit is variable. I find comparing watt hours per task to be much more helpful in finding how efficient a device is for crunching. With the Wh/task info charts could be made ranking the devices by efficiency and a column for the run time would be helpful to guesstimate credit.
569) Message boards : Number crunching : Connection/computing scheduler...anyone ? (Message 1806843)
Posted 3 Aug 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I tried manually setting multiple network time windows in the global_prefs_override.xml, but as I suspected BOINC only read the last entry. So it looks like BOINC itself is not designed for what you want to accomplish.

However as Shaggie suggested you can use the OS to schedule events. Then you can use boinccmd to give BOINC commands with a script along the lines of:
boinccmd --set_network_mode auto
timeout 30
boinccmd --project http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/ update
timeout 120
boinccmd --set_network_mode never

Note: You may need to adjust the timeout values depending on your system(s) and internet connection.


Thank you Shaggie & Hal, so I guess that the answer to my question about the single instance of boinc is implied in your answer : scheduling 5 times per day your script ( embedded in a .cmd file) and adjust especially the second timeout to upload the 100/120 worked wu should do the trick, right ?
One more question: is this command line parameter overriding any gui settings or should I set the network activities to " based on preferences" ?

Thank you..!


Yes, For your Windows hosts setting multiple triggers for the specific times you wish to connect is likely the route you will want to take. You could even factor in the schedule weekly server maintenance if you wanted to do so. I would guess that OS X on your MAC host would have something similar, but I don't have an OS X host to check at this time. The scripting would be similar, but I don't know what the OS X command for a timeout is without looking it up.
The first delay is to give BOINC a moment to switch modes. On a slower machine this can take a few seconds. A faster machine might be ready in ~5 seconds.
The second delay is how long to wait before telling BOINC to stop network activity again. A value of 600 to 900 sec, 10 to 15 min, might be more suitable. It just depends on your internet connection to the servers.

Boinccmd is simply another way to control the BOINC client. Changing your network connection to never will leave it set to never. Just as if you used the GUI to do so. For a full description of the command line tool you might want to check out http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Boinccmd_tool
A quick description of the options for the network, CPU, & CPU run commands.
always = always
never = never/suspend
auto = based on preferences
570) Message boards : Number crunching : Is the S@H server biased at sending more guppis to NV GPUs? (Message 1806828)
Posted 3 Aug 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
When Guppis were introduced on NV GPUs earlier this year, the plan might have been to limit the ratio of Guppi to nonVLAR as compared to what was distributed for CPUs.

AFAIK the only plan was to split work, the ratio between Guppies & Arecibo being dependant on how much of each is available.

I believe Eric had stated that at some point 90% of the work may be coming from GBT. As Arecibo hasn't been very active recently. It might be having budget/closure issues again.
571) Message boards : Number crunching : Connection/computing scheduler...anyone ? (Message 1806827)
Posted 3 Aug 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I tried manually setting multiple network time windows in the global_prefs_override.xml, but as I suspected BOINC only read the last entry. So it looks like BOINC itself is not designed for what you want to accomplish.

However as Shaggie suggested you can use the OS to schedule events. Then you can use boinccmd to give BOINC commands with a script along the lines of:
boinccmd --set_network_mode auto
timeout 30
boinccmd --project http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/ update
timeout 120
boinccmd --set_network_mode never

Note: You may need to adjust the timeout values depending on your system(s) and internet connection.
572) Message boards : Number crunching : What are acceptable acronymes/terminology for the S@h main forum? (Message 1805761)
Posted 30 Jul 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
VHARs >1.0 (aka "Shorties")
Mid-range (0.12 - 0.99) (aka "MARs"?)
VLARs <0.12 (aka "OMG Why are these SO SLOW!")

@HAL9000
    Would it be safe to say that these #s supersede those given in your Message 1773487 from 4 months ago?  To maintain continuity, VMARs could be referenced.


@Stubbles69

    Here's a description of the AR categories.


For my newer post in this thread I was working from memory instead of using my reference sheet. My main goal was showing that the acronyms referred to specific numbers. My older post has a more accurate value for VHARs. As did the post Richard made in this thread with the specif AR value that had been found previously.
Looking at the original graph. I want to run something similar with the current apps/data & see how they compare to the previous findings. Currently I don't have the time to do that.

Does VMAR stand for Very Mid Angle Range? I would think a very mid AR would be a normal AR.
We really we don't need to define everything with a name. I had found it amusing since I noticed an acronym for Mid Angle Range could spell mars when plural.
573) Message boards : Number crunching : BOINC client isn't downloading new S@H workunits on S6 Android (Message 1805456)
Posted 28 Jul 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I am having this same issue, and the old version will not install on my phone.

Is there another thread to follow, which has updates on progress of a new version?

Possibly on the BOINC Message boards.
574) Message boards : Number crunching : What are acceptable acronymes/terminology for the S@h main forum? (Message 1805455)
Posted 28 Jul 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I'm not sure if the VHAR & VLAR terms came from the staff or if they were terms we started using first to refer to the angle range of specific tasks. Either way the terms refer to the angle range of the work we are doing. The project has currently defined VLAR(Very Low Angle Range) tasks to be a task with angle range of <0.12, it was once <0.013, & adds to .vlar the workunit/task names.
VHAR(Very High Angle Range) tasks, aka "shorties", may not have a strict definition by the project, but an angle range >1.0 is often referred to as a VHAR.
I believe one of the lunatics has generated a time/AR chart several years ago. Which showed a pretty clear change in runtime based on the AR.
It more or less looking something like this:
\
 ---
    \
With time going up and AR going from low to high.
Everything between a VLAR & VHAR is often referred to as mid-range. I think we should be calling them MAR myself. Then when we use the plural form it would be MARs. However saying "you have a bunch of MARs tasks" might be confusing to some. As they might thing we are looking for radio signals from the planet Mars instead of from distance stars.

I believe the AR that the classic project used, when they were paying for the telescope time, was ~0.42. So 0.40-0.44 AR tasks I normally refer to as "normal AR". Which are ideally what you want to use for baseline comparisons, but with the GBT data they will likely be rare.

VHARs >1.0 (aka "Shorties")
Mid-range (0.12 - 0.99) (aka "MARs"?)
VLARs <0.12 (aka "OMG Why are these SO SLOW!")
575) Message boards : Number crunching : What is the % of S@H top computers with Lunatics apps/.exe installed? (Message 1803737)
Posted 20 Jul 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Wow! Thanks Shaggie
10,9,1 
100,66,34 
1000,327,673 
10000,1284,8716
So: ~87% (7/8) of the "Top 10,000 hosts by RAC" do nothing to optimize!!!
...and also about two thirds (2/3) in the top 1000 PCs. {I'm in shock}

No wonder it took me almost no effort (and only ~$900can) for me to rise to the 1% club so quickly (even with RAC being as slow as it is to rise).
And I thought it was because I had bought the best gear for the money! ;-}

Hmmm...so... considering that optimizers usually have more than 1 power rig, it could very well be that over 90% (maybe even 95%) of the "Top 10,000 participants" only run stock.

Thanks again Shaggie for crunching those stats!!!


At my peak I was about #30 by RAC with my ~35 hosts running. I think only 4 or 5 were in the top 10,000 list.
With our 138,101 active users, boincstats isn't showing hosts right now, I think we have something like 300,000 active hosts. So to say 0.5% of active hosts have actively installed the lunatics apps doesn't seem to far fetched to me. Considering <1% of users ever visit the fora & would not otherwise have any knowledge the other apps exist.
576) Message boards : Number crunching : SETI@home on older computers (Message 1803727)
Posted 20 Jul 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

Because you are using Windows' remote desktop connection which replaces the GPU driver with a basic one that doesn't support GPU computing.


OK, that could be an explanation.
But, why the GPU doesn't work immediately after the restart? (there is a auto-login)
There is no remote connection yet.



You have to use something else for remote management.


:-(
I need the Windows remote desktop for other reasons.


Chrome Remote Desktop works fine also.


Schleich di mit dem Sauglump. ;-)



BTW: I wouldn't use the GPU, just the 4 cores. Using all cores plus the GPU will produce a lot of heat (possibly throttling the CPU) and you may even end up with less work done because the GPU will use some CPU also. Just my 2 cents.


OK, that's a good point.
At the moment my J1900 is running in turbo mode.

My J1900 system has never had a problem running 4 CPU + iGPU tasks while staying in Boost at 2.41GHz. It is an ASRock Q1900-ITX. Which has a fairly large heatsink.
When using an iGPU sometimes there can be problems when Intel updates the driver. Causing SETI@home apps to no longer work or generate garbage results.

Current temps with 4CPU + iGPU at 100% load.
Room 25ºC
CPU 33ºC
iGPU 39ºC
CPU cores 41-42ºC.
577) Message boards : Number crunching : Building a 32 thread xeon system doesn't need to cost a lot (Message 1802708)
Posted 15 Jul 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Regarding the E5450 HT, I didn't know that because that would have been a huge miss for me when I was evaluating which procs to put into those boards, so I took a quick look at the Intel site again, and according to it:

Advanced Technologies
Intel® Turbo Boost Technology ‡ 		No
Intel® Hyper-Threading Technology ‡		No
Intel® Virtualization Technology (VT-x) ‡ 	Yes
Intel® VT-x with Extended Page Tables (EPT) ‡	No
Intel® 64 ‡					Yes
Idle States 					Yes
Enhanced Intel SpeedStep® Technology		Yes
Intel® Demand Based Switching			Yes
Thermal Monitoring Technologies 		Yes


looks like it doesn't support it either? Or am I not looking at the right thing?

CPUs using the Intel Core microarchitecture do not support HT.

There are small LGA 771 to 775 adapters that allow using the less expensive Xeon CPUs in 775 boards. Which is great if you happen to have a load of old 775 boards that support Xeon CPUs. Most recently it is easier to find 771 boards vs compatible 775 boards.
578) Message boards : Number crunching : GPU FLOPS: Theory vs Reality (Message 1801072)
Posted 6 Jul 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I scanned the host export and found about a dozen hosts with Ellesmere cards (the RX 480 is the only released Ellesmere card I think). I can't tell if they're doing unusual things like running multiple tasks but the numbers aren't that far apart so I doubt it.

Host Id: Credits/Hr

7492259	420.6506388
7431180	647.7853343
8034949	367.8899388
8037810	498.1638136

Average 483.6224314


I also scanned for Fiji parts; there's quite a few in the db and I can't tell what version they are (Nano, Fury, Fury X, etc)

Host Id: Credits/Hr

8001648	341.4652324
8001994	557.7983477
8003231	661.4473237
8003833	413.5674201
8013353	551.747657
8014347	385.3597423
8029489	336.9615636

Average 464.0496124


Note that RueiKe's R9 Nano's do a lot better than these do on average -- my guess is his water-cooling setup helps a lot because the Nanos are reputed to throttle when they get hot as I'm sure they do when left crunching for hours.


Personally I've been disappointed in the performance of the Fury cards compared to my R9 390X. With less than 70% of the shaders of a Fury Nano or Fury X it still manages to churn through MB tasks in ~6 minutes. With the fans set to auto it does run up to 68ºC but they are still silent at ~40%. THe only config settings I use are -hp -cpu_lock & I think that -cpu_lock might be depreciated in the current version app. So it might not be doing anything.
579) Message boards : Number crunching : GPU FLOPS: Theory vs Reality (Message 1800809)
Posted 4 Jul 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
My single EVGA GTX 750 Ti FTW had a RAC in 9-10k with two tasks running at once. Power consumption was in the 40-45W range.
At the moment I'm planning on sticking it in my Celeron J1900 system to see how well that CPU can run the GPU.
580) Message boards : Number crunching : What is the % of S@H top computers with Lunatics apps/.exe installed? (Message 1800805)
Posted 4 Jul 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Even seeing "Anonymous platform" in someone app detail or task list doesn't tell you if they are using the optimized lunatics apps. It only tell you that host is using an app_info.xml.
Someone might want to use the stock apps but limit which apps run or pick specific combinations of apps. Rather than run everything the server sends them.
Thanks HAL for that info.
In most cases, I'm guessing "Anonymous platform" will be from having installed Lunatics since customizing app_info.xml is much more complex than simply installing Lunatics. Am I wrong?

Since no one else replied, I did some preliminary stats.
I looked at some individual computer's Application details for host webpage from a few of the pages from top 10,000 computers by RAC to see if there's an anonymous platform entry.
Here are my findings for 3 pages:

hosts with "Anonymous platform"
host rank 1-20 : 18
host rank 241-260: 9
host rank 741-760: 6
host rank 1241-1260: 5
host rank 2541-2560: 1
host rank 5000-5020: 2

I started with the 1st and last entry and then filed in the ones in between from the lowest (2541-2560) to the highest (241-260).
I'm a bit shocked that so few have installed Lunatics!!!



Some things to keep in mind:
-The "stock" GPU app is a lunatics app. So every GPU system out there is actually running a lunatics app.
-All the app tuning options for GPUs are available without using an app_info.xml now. The addition of app_config.xml & the specific GPU config files let all users tune the apps as they need.
-There are some users that run GPU only systems. So the optimized CPU apps are not needed on their systems & they are OK with not having the most up to date build of the GPU apps.

When I had ~35 machines running. They were almost all CPU only hosts. Most never made it into the top 10,000 hosts list, but they all had the best optimized CPU application for their architecture.
581) Message boards : Number crunching : GPU FLOPS: Theory vs Reality (Message 1800351)
Posted 3 Jul 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I'm trying to collect data to make the best computation/power-usage choices possible for upgrading my modest farm. I was hoping to get some help to fill in the blanks.

Here's my observed / theoretical performance for my cards on SETI@home tasks:

  • 980 TI ~1000GF / 5632GF (18%)
  • 780 ~650GF / 3977GF (16%)
  • 960 ~385GF / 2308GF (17%)


The theoretical FLOPS is from the Wikipedia entries for the GeForce 700 and 900 series parts and I compared it to the observed FLOPS in a bunch of my completed work-units.

I trawled through recent stats submitted by other people and found one for a GeForce 1080 that suggests the ratio is much higher for those parts: ~2400GF / 8873GF (27%). Could it really be that a 1080 can crunch more than 2x the tasks as a 980Ti? This seems unlikely to me.

If you have a single GeForce 1080 crunching SETI tasks and have more data-points to share I'd really appreciate getting more numbers.

I was also quite excited by the news of AMD's RX 480 because it's a relatively low-power part and priced at a point that makes fitting 2 or 3 of them in a PC cheaper than a single high-end part of lower theoretical performance.

There's just one problem: the theoretical FLOPS on Wikipedia are evidently calculated differently for AMD parts than NVidia parts.

So again, if you have a single RX 480 crunching SETI tasks I'd love to see your work-unit numbers.


I'm not sure using Device peak FLOPS in a task result is the best way to determine the application efficiency. Taking the value displayed in Flopcounter: and diving by the number of seconds the task took might be a more accurate value to compare to the manufacture mex theoretical FLOPs. If you are running multiple tasks per GPU you would also want to correct for that.

I don't see anything in the Radeon 400 series wiki page that points out they will be using a different way to calculate Single Precision FLOPs. For many years (Shaders*2)*clock has been used for Nvidia & Radeon GPUs.
582) Message boards : Number crunching : Say goodbye to SETI@home v7. (Message 1800340)
Posted 3 Jul 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Only 4 tasks left

We're getting there, but it will take time :-)

It's like a NYE countdown, but a bit slower.
583) Message boards : Number crunching : What is the % of S@H top computers with Lunatics apps/.exe installed? (Message 1800170)
Posted 2 Jul 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Even seeing "Anonymous platform" in someone app detail or task list doesn't tell you if they are using the optimized lunatics apps. It only tell you that host is using an app_info.xml.

Someone might want to use the stock apps but limit which apps run or pick specific combinations of apps. Rather than run everything the server sends them.
584) Message boards : Number crunching : Average Credit Decreasing? (Message 1799912)
Posted 1 Jul 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Found it...now!

But still feeling contradicting emotions towards SETi@home & it's team...by releasing an app (v8 SoG & sah), which hangs on some nVidia cards...didn't they use BETA for sthg?!
:/

With limited users & hardware participating in SETI@home Beta some issue will not be found until the apps are released to the main project.
585) Message boards : Number crunching : BOINC client isn't downloading new S@H workunits on S6 Android (Message 1799754)
Posted 30 Jun 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I checked the BOINC fora for your issue & didn't find anything.
I would guess the missing CPU information for the host is likely the cause.
586) Message boards : Number crunching : USB Risers (Message 1799508)
Posted 29 Jun 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
You definitely want to power that as well, because the card is expecting (I believe, correct me if I am wrong on the amount) 75 watts to come thru the PCI-E bus itself, and get the rest of what it needs from the external connectors you mentioned.


But aren't those 75 Watts already supplied "through" the 1X slot on the Mobo and "carried" by the USB 3.0 cable to the card, or is the USB cable responsible only for data transfer between the MoBo and the GPU's ?

PCIe specification states
x16 slots may provide up to 75W
x8/x4 slots may provide up to 25W
x1 slots should initially provide 10W & full-height cards may request up to 25W

Some motherboard manufactures design their boards to provide a full 75W to every slot. No matter if it is an x16 or x1 slot.
Some manufactures do not even provide the power specified in the PCIe bus specification to their slots.
It is safest to always use the power connector provided by the adapter or extension cable.
587) Message boards : Number crunching : BOINC 7.4.51 on a Droid. (Message 1799141)
Posted 28 Jun 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Wish Amazon and the BOINC developers would coordinate better on the released apps for Amazon Fire tablets. Last version that will work on my Fire HDX is 7.4.14. Any newer release tries to install but fails with an incompatible version error message.

Is your Kindle Fire a 2nd generation one? The OS for that version of Kindle looks to only go to 4.0.3 & the current release of BOINC requires Android 4.1 or higher.
588) Message boards : Number crunching : BOINC 7.4.51 on a Droid. (Message 1798939)
Posted 27 Jun 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I rebooted my phone 7615058 in the past hour, and noticed Google Play updated BOINC from 7.4.43 to 7.4.51. Looking at BOINC.berkeley.edu says x.41 is "stable" and x.43 is, essentially, a test version...

Where could I find info on x.51?
Does the BOINC page need an update?

(As far as I know I'm not signed up for alpha or beta BOINC testing.)

I would expect the primary release mechanism for BOINC on Android to be via Google Play. Rather than the BOINC website.
As the BOINC site states "We recommend that, rather than downloading BOINC from here, you get it from the Google Play Store or the Amazon app store (for Kindle Fire)"

You can find the release notes for the posted version of BOINC for Android
under the section What's New section for the app in the Play store.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=edu.berkeley.boinc
New to 7.4.51:
* Add support for new processor types.
* Update support libraries.

The "new processor types" likely refers to the added support for aarch64 ARM CPUs.

EDIT:
Looking in the BOINC download directory versions 7.4.44 to 7.4.52 have been made available for test recently.
It looks like BOINC v7.4.51 was built on Friday. Then likely given a test over the weekend before being deployed to the app stores for release Monday.

Additionally you may find this post helpful
http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dev/forum_thread.php?id=11065&postid=70443#70443
589) Message boards : Number crunching : Building a 32 thread xeon system doesn't need to cost a lot (Message 1798008)
Posted 22 Jun 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Funny guy... :-p

Wait, that article wasn't published on April 1? Hmmm


I have a few issues with their statement.
"The 1,000 processors can execute 115 billion instructions per second while dissipating only 0.7 Watts which mean it can be powered by a single AA battery."

Power dissipation is not the same as power consumption. A device could have a power input of 10w & dissipate 0.7w. Which would make it ~93% efficient.

With all of the power wires going into the device I imagine it might consume a fair bit more juice at full oomph.



I would guess that the press release information may have an error. It it likely the chip can execute 115 billion instructions per second & it may also be able to run with 0.7w of power input. I imagine it is not both at the same time unless it is some kind of RISC architecture running very specific instructions. Like those coin miners running hashes.
590) Message boards : Number crunching : CPU time difference (Message 1797959)
Posted 22 Jun 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Both i5's are laptops, so lower powered makes sense.

I hear you as to your last point, and I understand it. Due to edits of existing posts, you may have missed what I added to my 22 Jun 2016, 0:07:40 UTC post (last 1.5 paragraphs). Maybe I'm just failing to understand, but I don't see how I can compare my times for two different tasks in any meaningful way. I don't know of any indicator of the "size" of a task other than the CPU time itself.

When you are looking at your Task List
Select the Task ID for a completed task.
Then within the Stderr output you sell see a line WU true angle range is :. You want to compare task where that value is similar. "Normal" tasks, which you ideally want to use as a baseline, fall in the 0.42-0.44 range. So if you are comparing a task with a value of 0.431888 to one with a value of 0.008735 it doesn't really tell you anything.
591) Message boards : Number crunching : CPU time difference (Message 1797825)
Posted 22 Jun 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I think that's been the general conclusion of most people that have given crunching using their Intel on die GPU.

That's been my point throughout this thread. Raistmer said on 5 June: "Try to limit number of cores BOINC use to 2 instead of 4. How this will affect runtime?" Apparently he hadn't received the memo. Now, with any luck, he has.

It is a known issue. I believe all previous tests were performed on i5 CPUs. Where HT was not a factor. So it would make sense to see if HT was a factor. Also checking how the current gen hardware responds with the newest app version is useful information.

The right mix of project CPU & iGPU apps is still an unknown. There are several projects that offer CPU & iGPU apps if you wish to experiment.
592) Message boards : Number crunching : Enabling APU's GPU with installed discrete GPU. Mobo is MSI FM2-A75MA-E35 (Message 1797311)
Posted 19 Jun 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thanks for links and comments.

It seems that I need another AMD-only GPU indeed :/

Currently, AMD Radeonâ„¢ Dual Graphics is supported on the AMD A-Series APUs in conjunction with select AMD Radeonâ„¢ R7 series and AMD Radeonâ„¢ HD 6000 series graphics cards used under the Microsoft Windows 7 operating system.


Not the right OS also...

Well, will try to find "better home" for NV GTX260 then :)

That is true. Windows Server 2008 is the same level as Windows Vista.
593) Message boards : News : Arecibo still threatened with closure. (Message 1796103)
Posted 14 Jun 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Just for a bit of understanding, does anyone know
how important the Arecibo dish is to spotting big
rocks that may hit the earth?

My understanding is that it was being used for that. At least at one point in time. However when being used to look for space rocks we don't get data for SETI@home.
594) Message boards : News : Did SETI@home ever find aliens? (Message 1795859)
Posted 13 Jun 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I pronounce BOINC like "boink" or "bo ink"

Usually the first one. :)

There are those that pronounce it BOINC, but personally I'm going to keep saying BOINC.
595) Message boards : News : Arecibo still threatened with closure. (Message 1795851)
Posted 13 Jun 2016 by Profile HAL9000
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Arecibo is what in Carso (Karst) highland is called a dolina. It cannot be dismantled. Also the China FAST is in a dolina.
Tullio

The landform it's in can't be dismantled (at least not without lots of explosives), however all of the structures & equipment can be removed. Arecibo the place will still be there, but not the observatory.

I'm sure we could blow the whole area well below sea level if needed. I mean have you seen our military spending?

I'd like to see the Arecibo Observatory stay funded & running, but on the other hand I hate already seeing 30% of my pay taken in taxes.
596) Message boards : Number crunching : Welcome to the 17 Year Club! (Message 1795541)
Posted 12 Jun 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Well, are here only BOINC addicts welcome or does the "old" Seti@Home also count?
Cause if it counts, i'm in... ;)

BOINC was released 14 years ago. 2002-04-10
SETI@home officially started using BOINC 12 years ago. 2004-06-22

Some of us have been going for 17 years since the project started in 1999.
597) Message boards : Number crunching : LotzaCores and a GTX 1080 FTW (Message 1795376)
Posted 11 Jun 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thanks! My RAC in the software shows that it has rocketed from 0 to 4600 in those 2 short days. Who knows how high it just might go? :-)


Don't know for sure, but can do some ballparking.

IIRC 8 Xeon cores doing MB, back in cobblestone scale days, used to get about 20K RAC on PreAVX AKv8 code. Since then there's been two main credit drops amounting to x ~30%. You claw back a little for increased throughput with AVX (about 1.5x), so my guess with 48 CPU cores alone (AVX capable + fast memory), would be 20K*6*0.3*1.5 ~= 50K (1 significant digit). Lots of variability, especially if adding AP and weird work mixes and GPUs into the picture.



. . Should not that formula be 20K*6*0.7*1.5 ??

. . Or is that drop "to" 30% not "of" 30%.

. . I am curious to know if the drop has been that large?

The change from MBv6->MBv7 was a drop of 40-50% for some.

I prefer to just use the actual run times to calculate the number of tasks a day & then guesstimate the credit. It looks like their normal AR tasks are running ~2.5 hours. So that gives us ~450 tasks/day. I like to figure 100 credit per task to give a max theoretical RAC value of 45,000. Then I figure 80% of the max for the low end of 36,000. Which would put a RAC of ~40.5K in the middle.
The daily credit values for the past few days on their 48 core host are: 34,506 36,640 46,096 62,035 35,202 39,718 35,010 35,898 44,786. Which averages out to 41099 for the past 9 days.
598) Message boards : Number crunching : CPU time difference (Message 1795368)
Posted 11 Jun 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

It was recommended they suspend GPU work several days ago to see how it effected their CPU processing times. No feedback was provided as to the results or if it was tried.
Ivy Bridge & Haswell based CPUs have shown using SETI@home apps on the CPU & iGPU at the same time would cause CPU apps to run more slowly. From one host with a Skylake i5 it was thought that the CPU slowdown may be greater on the newest CPUs. If that is true I would speculate that the increased iGPU speed in Skylake may be causing even more "cache thrashing". It has been speculated that running an app from a less cache heavy app on either the CPU or iGPU may be the solution, but I'm not sure anyone has set down and tested that yet.


. .

. . I5-6400 (2.7GHz) HD530 GPU.

. . Runtime for CPU non VLAR tasks with iGPU crunching approx 3.5 hours

. . Runtime same tasks with GPU use discontinued approx 2 hours

. . Runtime with Lunatics 0.44 running AVX approx 1 hour 15 mins.

. . And since 2 cores are hyperthreading does that not mean there is competition for the associated maths unit? I would think it would be best to try just 2 basic cores under lunatics and compare his productivity then.


Nearly double CPU run time when using the iGPU is similar to previous observations.
My initial posts when I noticed it occurring
A journey: iGPU slowing CPU processing
iGPU tuning
Raistmer's research thread
Loading APU to the limit: performance considerations - ongoing research
It would be interesting to see the results of a CPU where the iGPUs has a dedicated cache to use. Typically only the Iris Pro iGPUs have the addition cache, but the current generation Iris 540 & 550 also list a dedicated iGPU cache. I suspect that little to no CPU slowdown will occur. Similar to the results I found with my Celeron J1900, Bay Trail, CPU when using the iGPU.

To run HT or not is an often debated topic here. I have always seen an increase in work output when using HT.
There are a few different configurations to test how well using HT works in a specific configuration after a baseline using all cores & threads has been found.
1) Disable HT in their BIOS.
2) Leave HT enabled & reduce the number of CPU threads BOINC is allowed to run.
3) Leave HT enabled, reduce the number of CPU threads BOINC is allowed to run, & start BOINC with affinity settings only allowing the physical cores to be used.
Running 4 CPU tasks at once on my i7-860 I found no real noticeable difference using config #3 over #2, but config #1 was slightly worse. Running 8 CPU tasks at once on my i7-860 I found an 11.1% increase in power consumption & a 27.7% increase in work output.

I have not run similar test on my i3-390M system. I will typically just use its Radeon GPU. As it is a notebook it doesn't really have the thermal capacity to run the GPU+CPU full tilt & the GPU can do about as much work as the CPU alone.
599) Message boards : Number crunching : Are some gpu tasks longer now? (Message 1795190)
Posted 10 Jun 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

MB8_win_x86_SSE3_OpenCL_NV_r3430_SoG.exe, I thought that was clear from my post, where I mention SoG several times. MB8_win_x86_SSE3_OpenCL_NV_r3430.exe is not a SoG version.
MB8_win_x86_SSE3_OpenCL_NV_r3430_SoG.exe also have the -use_sleep option if one wants to use it.


I guess I am very confused then. So you are saying that MB8_win_x86_SSE3_OpenCL_NV_r3430_SoG.exe IS NOT a SoG app, EVEN THOUGH it ships with the <plan_class>opencl_nvidia_SoG</plan_class> in its aistub file???

I think you might have misread their post.
600) Message boards : Number crunching : Burning rubber... err, CPU's... on an Android phone. (Message 1795098)
Posted 10 Jun 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The default configuration for BOINC on Android stops applications from running when the device battery temp reaches 40ºC(104ºF). You can set it to a lower value by going to Preferences, checking Show advanced preferences and controls... and then scrolling down to MAX battery temperature.
601) Message boards : Number crunching : CPU time difference (Message 1794872)
Posted 10 Jun 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
It was also recommended that I try 50% CPUs. I didn't see any point in trying both that and GPU-suspended at the same time. I wasn't seeing anything clearly apples-to-apples in the immediate results, so I was just waiting. Since host RAC was in a slow but steady decline with 50% CPUs and GPU enabled, I have now switched to 100% CPUs and GPU suspended.

An easy-to-use way to do before-and-after testing using the same real-world data would be very useful. If maximizing total global throughput is a goal, seems like that would be something worth working on at Berkeley, but that's just me.


I would probably say that their primary goal is stability of applications & being able to support as many types of hardware as possible. Instead of maximum raw throughput of data processing.
Much of the application development is done by volunteers rather than by the SETI@home project. As the admins just don't have the time, funding, or resources. It is left to the users if they wish to get go deeper & get the absolute most out of their systems.
The way BOINC works does not lend itself to being easily manipulated to throw in work for benchmarking purposes. So most of the tools to do that will operate outside of BOINC, but, for the most part, are fairly simple to use.
602) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows 10 - Yea or Nay? (Message 1794863)
Posted 9 Jun 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
As I said (please re-read) update was installed in automatic mode w/o user consent. That's the issue.


Ah, then they must have consented then prior. The EULA is presented during the install process. It's the only way to back out at that point without it installing and requiring reversion.

As I already mentioned in this thread. I left a Windows 7 VM running with auto update enabled. Then I came back it to to find it running Windows 10. The only purpose of that VM was to see if an auto install of Windows 10 would happen.
It would seem that if auto update is enabled it is taken as consent to install Windows 10.
603) Message boards : Number crunching : CPU time difference (Message 1794766)
Posted 9 Jun 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
This WU is about as close to apples-and-apples as I think I'll ever get. The computers are similar and even their benchmarks are close. Yet there's a 3.5X difference in CPU time. This is with "50% of CPUs" and GPU tasks enabled.

FTR when the task drops off the list:
Computer 7914479: 3,810 secs
Computer 7973906 (mine): 13,495 secs
Name: blc6_2bit_guppi_57403_69499_HIP11048_OFF_0005.5998.0.22.45.118.vlar
Application (both computers): SETI@home v8 v8.00 windows_intelx86

The difference between the 2 systems is that you are using your integrated Intel GPU for crunching, the other person isn't.
EDIT- also their CPU has 4 physical cores, yours would be 2 physical, 2 Hyperthreaded.
Your CPU is capable of very high clock speeds, but not at the same time as doing heavy work on the internal GPU.


I'd suggest re-enabling all CPU cores, and disable GPU crunching for a while & see what times result.

It was recommended they suspend GPU work several days ago to see how it effected their CPU processing times. No feedback was provided as to the results or if it was tried.
Ivy Bridge & Haswell based CPUs have shown using SETI@home apps on the CPU & iGPU at the same time would cause CPU apps to run more slowly. From one host with a Skylake i5 it was thought that the CPU slowdown may be greater on the newest CPUs. If that is true I would speculate that the increased iGPU speed in Skylake may be causing even more "cache thrashing". It has been speculated that running an app from a less cache heavy app on either the CPU or iGPU may be the solution, but I'm not sure anyone has set down and tested that yet.
604) Message boards : Number crunching : GPU Wars 2016: GTX 1050 Ti & GTX 1050: October 25th (Message 1794517)
Posted 8 Jun 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Is there a difference between NV & Radeon GPU detection? I noticed my R9 390X has always been detected with 8GB.

Yes. Detection of each card type depends on the (limited) amount of hardware information which each manufacturer makes available through their interface API -

HMODULE cudalib = LoadLibrary("nvcuda.dll");

for NVidia. I think it was Claggy who first noticed that calls to that DLL returned negative values for cards close to 4 GB... Replacing them with 32-bit calls solved the problem.

AMD's equivalent is obviously better at 64-bit maths, but less good at English - BOINC has to look up the card names from a list of ID numbers.

Perhaps OpenCL detection could be used universally. Similar to how it was implemented in BOINC 7.6.23 and later builds for Radeon GPU name detection. Where it reads the OpenCL BoardName value instead of hard coded names for non-CAL GPUs.

But it may be a non issue until there are apps that use a few GB of GPU memory. Like there are at other projects with their CPU apps.
605) Message boards : Number crunching : GPU Wars 2016: GTX 1050 Ti & GTX 1050: October 25th (Message 1794474)
Posted 8 Jun 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Yes, seen it, thanks. I'll pass all that back to Ray - should be all he needs.

I assume your card is a standard 8 GB memory? BOINC is only seeing 4 GB, but that's normal because it's using a 32-bit subsystem for detection.

Is there a difference between NV & Radeon GPU detection? I noticed my R9 390X has always been detected with 8GB.
08-Jun-2016 11:05:36 [---] Starting BOINC client version 7.4.42 for windows_x86_64
08-Jun-2016 11:05:36 [---] OpenCL: AMD/ATI GPU 0: Hawaii (driver version 1912.5 (VM), device version OpenCL 2.0 AMD-APP (1912.5), 8192MB, 8192MB available, 3802 GFLOPS peak)
08-Jun-2016 11:05:36 [---] OpenCL CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-4670K CPU @ 3.40GHz (OpenCL driver vendor: Intel(R) Corporation, driver version 4.2.0.148, device version OpenCL 1.2 (Build 148))

08-Jun-2016 11:11:22 [---] Starting BOINC client version 7.6.22 for windows_x86_64
08-Jun-2016 11:11:22 [---] OpenCL: AMD/ATI GPU 0: Hawaii (driver version 1912.5 (VM), device version OpenCL 2.0 AMD-APP (1912.5), 8192MB, 8192MB available, 3802 GFLOPS peak)
08-Jun-2016 11:11:22 [---] OpenCL CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-4670K CPU @ 3.40GHz (OpenCL driver vendor: Intel(R) Corporation, driver version 4.2.0.148, device version OpenCL 1.2 (Build 148))
606) Message boards : Number crunching : CPU time difference (Message 1793678)
Posted 5 Jun 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Yep, you can't compare i3 CPU times to i5 times as the i3 is 4 virtual cores made out of 2 physical cores whereas the i5 is just 4 pure cores, no comparison at all.

Cheers.

Their i3 host is clearly having some other issue. My old i3-390M can complete work several times faster than what they are presently seeing.
607) Message boards : Number crunching : Open Beta test: SoG for NVidia, Lunatics v0.45 - Beta6 (RC again) (Message 1793677)
Posted 5 Jun 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Wow6432Node

That sounds like a goer. I can ask for something universally present, like

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Wow6432Node\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\CurrentVersion

and if I get an answer, I'm on a 64-bit machine? Silence means 32-bit? I'll give it a try. Thanks.

I've found these keys helpful for determining the OS architecture.
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\HARDWARE\RESOURCEMAP\Hardware Abstraction Layer\ACPI x64 platform
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\HARDWARE\RESOURCEMAP\Hardware Abstraction Layer\ACPI x86 platform
608) Message boards : Number crunching : CPU time difference (Message 1793442)
Posted 4 Jun 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Right click on the BOINC icon in the task tray down by the clock, and choose Snooze GPU tasks. That should do it.

That will only cause GPU processing to stop for 1 hr. Using the menu option to select suspend GPU processing will remain active until changed again by the user.
609) Message boards : Number crunching : CPU time difference (Message 1793423)
Posted 4 Jun 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Re: http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/workunit.php?wuid=2173961623

How can two computers rated at roughly the same speed produce the same result, one consuming 8X the CPU time as the other?

Hm... very interesting case.
What about cache (L2 cache) size of your i3 and wingman's i5?

i3-6100 3MB
i5-2500 6MB
http://ark.intel.com/compare/52209,90729
610) Message boards : Number crunching : CPU time difference (Message 1793422)
Posted 4 Jun 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Re: http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/workunit.php?wuid=2173961623

How can two computers rated at roughly the same speed produce the same result, one consuming 8X the CPU time as the other?

All CPU tasks on your i3-6100 are taking a very long time. You may want to use an app like CPUz to confirm that your CPU is running at its rated clock speed. If it isn't perhaps there could be a thermal issue.
If everything looks OK I would suggest suspending GPU processing and see if the CPU times improve.
611) Message boards : Number crunching : No more guppi's=vlars on the gpu please (Message 1793419)
Posted 4 Jun 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I'm firmly in the "If they are sent to my crunchers I'll let them crunch" camp. I would rather one of mine didn't get so many guppi, but it does, so it carries on crunching.

Indeed. The original reason for not sending VLARs to GPUs was that, at the time, they could cause a host to lockup or crash.
I don't see the argument that they run less efficiently on GPUs now as valid. If we are going that route we might as well disallow NV GPUs from downloading AP tasks. Since they are less efficient than Radeon GPUs at processing the tasks.

Having options from the project to tailor which apps and what kind of work run on specific hardware would be nice. Something similar to what Collatz or PrimeGrid have would probably be ideal, but require a lot of work.

Out of curiosity do we know how iGPUs handle these tasks?
612) Message boards : Number crunching : GPU Wars 2016: GTX 1050 Ti & GTX 1050: October 25th (Message 1793046)
Posted 3 Jun 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I dunno, one part of me feels NV has held back, just because p100 supposedly is a thing, and 1080 is 'only' ~2x970. Sure, bad yields + HBM2 unavailability, but never stopped NV prematurely launching unobtainium before.

Another part is that traditionally AMD has been in bed with m$ via XBox, and now has ties with Samsung and China, so low to medium end mass production seems like a probable advantage there for them.

Last part that bothers me, is that the topend consumer/gaming cards usually require more power. Of course using less power is good for preserving fossil fuels, but there are those with hydro power, nuclear and renewable sources of energy these days. Pushing the 300W PCIe spec limits probably isn't a big deal for some number of customers

So my feeling is the 1080 is mid-high-end, rx480 upper mid, and the true mainstream and ultra-enthusiast platforms are yet to appear.

Looks to me like they're just avoiding competing for the time being, at least until they can build the emerging VR and 4k gaming markets which Intel and m$ have no hope of surviving in. [Consider: Samsung makes 4k screens I believe]

Looking at the trend for the R9 x80 cards the 400 series looks like a heck of a bump in oomph. While being more affordable and efficient.
R9 280 2964 GFLOPs SP 250w $249
R9 380 3476 GFLOPs SP 190w $329
RX 480 5000 GFLOPs SP 150w $199

My R9 390X is only ~6000 GFLOPs. So I look forward to seeing what they do with the rest of the range. If the high end Fury GPUs get a similar treatment I might even end up going that route for one of my system.
613) Message boards : Number crunching : Thoughts on this card, Deal or more likely Crapshoot? (Message 1792881)
Posted 2 Jun 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
This seems kind of like a frankenstein card that someone has whipped together? Wierd stuff, for certain, and the performance isn't all that great either. Def seems like kind of a kludge card.

Since everything fits the 760 192-bit GPU specs except the cores. It is likely these cards were built from chips with a large number of dead/non working cores. It looks like you got a few of these. Do they all show 192 shaders?
Using silicone that doesn't meet all the specs for the intended product in a lower end product is a legitimate business practice. It is why you will often see different level products with the same base silicone.
614) Message boards : Number crunching : GPU Wars 2016: GTX 1050 Ti & GTX 1050: October 25th (Message 1792879)
Posted 2 Jun 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
$200, only 150W TDP, and greater than 5 TFLOPS of performance. This might be one cheap beast for us crunchers!

The 1070 is also only 150W TDP, so I would guesstimate the 1060 when it appears, in 3 months, might be as low as 100W TDP and cheaper.

The NV 10 series looks to have a $50 bump in price over the 900 series. So the 1060 will likely be $250 & only ~3500 GFLOPs.
615) Message boards : Number crunching : Thoughts on this card, Deal or more likely Crapshoot? (Message 1792774)
Posted 2 Jun 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Wow, this just went from interesting to unfortunate. Well, I knew from the begininng that it was a crapshoot, and turns out that it came up craps. Oh well, it was interesting, could have went the other was as well, but like they and I very often say, if it seems too good to be true, it probably is. C'est la vie!

It seemed kind of fishy up front, but sometimes there are OK things from the Chinese knock off market.
616) Message boards : Number crunching : LotzaCores and a GTX 1080 FTW (Message 1792717)
Posted 1 Jun 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thanks Keith, I thought I would start with Imgur, I was trying to avoid the big boys, and Yahoo owns Flickr. I tried posting a pic in my thread about my unusual "GTX770", and it came thru fine, so it appears that at least it works. If it gives me any guff, I'll switch in a heartbeat, as there are a number of options I've found.

I have accounts with several of the image hosting sites, but I like Imgur. It is currently one of the least convoluted with the features I want.
617) Message boards : Number crunching : GPU Wars 2016: GTX 1050 Ti & GTX 1050: October 25th (Message 1792707)
Posted 1 Jun 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Watching the vid. RX480 US$199 and VR capable ?

Since the the rest of the VR gear is around $800 having the GPU be less expensive is nice I guess.
618) Message boards : Number crunching : Thoughts on this card, Deal or more likely Crapshoot? (Message 1792705)
Posted 1 Jun 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Based on the tasks taking ~40min when you were running two at once I think these cards might really only have 192 shaders. Given many GTX 750 Ti GPUs will do two at a time in about 25min with 640 shaders.

Have you checked power consumption with the GPU running vs not? If they pull 130-170w like a GTX 760 or GTX 770 does then they might not be very efficient.
619) Message boards : Number crunching : GPU Wars 2016: GTX 1050 Ti & GTX 1050: October 25th (Message 1792200)
Posted 30 May 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I'm very curious as to what the 1060 and even the 1050 will perform like, as well as power consumption. In the blurbs I've been reading about pascal, best rumour I've heard is late summer/early fall, anyone see anything else mentioned about them?

The 1070 is to be released June 10th. The 1060 is said to be released in "the fall". Which looks to fit their normal schedule of releasing the first GPUs a few weeks apart. Then staggering the rest at 3+ month intervals.
620) Message boards : Number crunching : LotzaCores and a GTX 1080 FTW (Message 1791746)
Posted 29 May 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Well, just got up, so I went down, paused and then exited BOINC, uninstalled and then reinstalled Lunatics, and it seemed to start right where it left off, with no drama. Only thing slightly unusual was that windows security asked if it was alright to allow BOINC thru the firewall, I've never seen that one before.

I am running Hynix 1866 memory, in singles per bank to allow the system to utilize it at the full speed, as I read that more sticks = slower speeds. And 32 gig is more than enough for what I am running on this.

So far, looking at temps, it appears that they may have crept up a few degrees, maybe an average of 3-5, but it looks like they are still for the most part at 50 or below except on 3-4 cores out of 24 on each CPU. But, I suppose that will vary depending on they type of WU is being processed.

I have seen several benchmarks over the years that have shown an increased latency as the number of DIMMs per memory channel is increased. So I try to stick to one DIMM per channel as well.

Normal AR tasks with the AVX app appear to be running slightly faster. With run times as low as 2hr50min. Once you start using GPUs that could change. The GPUs could either choke the CPU tasks or be restricted by already saturated memory i/o. Then again maybe nothing will change. This system system has been defying all previous attempts at logical behavior thus far.

Is the increase in temp you mentioned after using the AVX app? That would normally be reasonable behavior.
621) Message boards : Number crunching : LotzaCores and a GTX 1080 FTW (Message 1791730)
Posted 29 May 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Good info to know, thanks. Last thought, is the problem the size of the database in terms of it's software abilities, it's hardware limitations, storage limitations? Do you happen to know what the bottleneck is and any thoughts on what would be needed to address and correct it, so we wouldn't run into problems with it again for many years? Money, obviously, but on what? Thanks!

I think All of the Above is probably the most accurate answer regarding the db limitations. I don't believe anything has changed since you were asking about the limits a few weeks ago.
It was mentioned, maybe last year, that other database options were being explored. Breakthrough Listen may have interrupted that process. It was also mentioned they were looking to reduce their server footprint. So smaller more powerful servers may go hand in hand with new db software.
622) Message boards : Number crunching : LotzaCores and a GTX 1080 FTW (Message 1791637)
Posted 29 May 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Good metric to gauge optimal loading might be temperature, or power from the wall. With the beanbag analogy it'd be firmness.

Keep an eye on temperatures when running the AVX application.
On my i7 system it was (barely) able to run the SSE3 application without getting too hot. With the AVX application I had to replace the stock cooler- it worked the CPU that much harder. And the crunching times came down, a lot.


Yeah, don't burst the beanbag. AVX shaped beans are larger and denser, lol.

I suspect that AVX may prove to be slower on that system. With 48 tasks at once that is a lot to stuff down the memory pipeline all at once.
It may not be the most correct way to say it, but I think higher level SIMD instructions tend to be more memory intensive.
I was already very surprised by the performance of the E5 v2 CPUs versus the E5 previous generation. So I'm split 50/50 on how AVX will compare to SSE3 & will have to find out if they are using DDR3 1600 or 1866 memory.

AVX apps proved to be the most efficient on my i5-4670K systems with DDR3 1600 memory.
623) Message boards : Number crunching : LotzaCores and a GTX 1080 FTW (Message 1791550)
Posted 29 May 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Running all 48 at once. I'll head downstairs now and take a look at it to see if the temps are still in the same range.

I would have expected to see a much larger difference between the Run Time & CPU Time with 48 running. Looks like normal AR tasks are pretty solid between 2hr59min & 3hr6min. You could switch to the AVX app tomorrow to see how it runs. Unless you want to get more data on how VLARs run, but they normally track the same between the CPU apps.
624) Message boards : Number crunching : LotzaCores and a GTX 1080 FTW (Message 1791527)
Posted 29 May 2016 by Profile HAL9000
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Well, instead of over-running the GPU Wars 2016: GTX1080 thread with my new build info and questions, I thought it would be more proper to start a new one with my experiences with both a large number of cores (48) and the new EVGA 1080 FTW. As I just put the order in to EVGA last night, and honestly don't know exactly when they will be shipping it, initially this thread will be about the 48 core build, and the things I run into in the process.

I'd expect the 1080 to hopefully ship sometime next week, but it will get here when it gets here, I'm not going to sweat it. I'm interested in how this system runs when running 48 cores at once, as it is only a 2.2ghz proc, though it speeds up to 3.0 in certain situations. I just couldn't justify the cost of the 2.7/3.6ghz version, they were like 4x the cost if I remember correctly. And this is just a V2 version, I wouldn't even want to think about what the V3 or V4's would cost...

Well, this is my newest addition, and I'm going to see how it produces for me with just the optimized app (using SSE3 this time, and AVX when I install the new card), feel free to check on in on it's progress as time goes on. Oh, and one thing I noticed right now, as it is using SuperMicro's OEM coolers, is that the temps are running between 43 and 54, with the vast majority running between 45-50. That is one of the benefits of running the 2.2 CPU (Coretemp says it is running at 99.4 watts currently, while crunching on all cores), it is 10-15w lower power draw than the 2.4, and I believe 35 or so watts lower than the 2.7. This is good, because I tried installing Speedfan, and it installed properly, it just doesn't allow me to control _anything_ unfortunately. I may ping SuperMicro next week, to see if they have any software controls which allow me to optimize the temps a bit by spinning up the fans.

Looks like normal AR tasks are running just a hair over 3 hours with the SSE3 app. Is that running all 48 threads or have you limited it to running fewer?
625) Message boards : Number crunching : Using Android mobiles to crunch BOINC stuff (Message 1791520)
Posted 29 May 2016 by Profile HAL9000
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Grant, that is very good info to know. I go thru laptop batteries much too quickly, due to the fact that they are plugged in 90%+ of the time, used as a desktop replacement. The mfg's must know this, they should have much smarter chargers, and not allow _any_ charging after 100% (and allow the option of slow charging) when the battery is in a docked situation, but they know this, and make a very good profit off of selling replacements. As well as the aftermarket, but those can _definately_ be hit or miss... And I've found that if my laptop has no battery, it won't boot. Such a deal, eh? That one has bugged me for Years.

Most computer manufactures put somewhere in the documentation that is the notebook will be plugged in for extended periods to remove the battery. I know for some devices, Apple notebooks & many mobile devices, battery removal isn't an option. So the user has to be knowledgeable if they want to have the greatest battery life expectancy & avoid micro charge cycles killing a battery.
626) Message boards : Number crunching : Decided to Bail Out on SETI for a Short While (Message 1791419)
Posted 28 May 2016 by Profile HAL9000
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If you read between the lines of Matt's Technical News post a couple of weeks ago, I'd say that the benefactor's contribution to SETI@Home's general funding so far has been negative - and substantially so. Much extra work, but no extra bodies or brains to do it.

To my mind, that would violate the UK concept of Full Cost Recovery (FCR) - but that's a local funding standard, not a global one.

I read that mostly as "Breakthrough Listen is funding Matt's paycheck so we haven't lost him" at the time.
627) Message boards : Number crunching : GPU Wars 2016: GTX 1050 Ti & GTX 1050: October 25th (Message 1791417)
Posted 28 May 2016 by Profile HAL9000
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Gotcha. So, does it make sense to install them both, trying one for (how long, days, weeks?) and then uninstalling and installing the other? Do you think there would be a significant enough difference to go thru the trouble? If so, I guess it would probably make sense to try it before the card arrives, but if it arrives the 1st week or so of June, that is going to be SO hard to just let it lay there while the testing finishes.

I would start with the AVX app. Then once you get the system fully built out with the GPUs you want and it is stable. Then give the SSE3 app a try.
628) Message boards : Number crunching : No work being done by one of my laptops??? (Message 1791410)
Posted 28 May 2016 by Profile HAL9000
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Is one better than the other? I can relate, I preferred the old version of EVGA Precision, but the X and X16 came out, all bells & whistley, and found that I liked the older one better. Unfortunately, unlike BoincView, it doesn't play well with the latest hardware. But I can relate.

Even the last (v1.4.2 - 2007) version of BoincView predates the introduction of GPU computing to BOINC by about 18 months. Many readings from GPU tasks are, shall we say, quirky.

I don't think I could recommend it to anyone who hadn't grown up with the changes, but I have still got the original distribution .zip file if anyone wants a copy.

Well that is newer than the version hosted by SETI@home, v1.2.5, & the one I have.
629) Message boards : Number crunching : GPU Wars 2016: GTX 1050 Ti & GTX 1050: October 25th (Message 1791406)
Posted 28 May 2016 by Profile HAL9000
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So, is that SSE3, SSSE3, or SSSSSSSSE3? ;-) lol This is a Xeon V2 proc, I thought that SSE3 (or whatever) was for older procs, a few more gens older than this one? Or does this proc fall under that version as well? Or, is it just simpler code that might run more efficiently? Too much to know! ;-)

For MBv8 there are only AVX, SSE3, & SSE2 applications in the Lunatics installer 0.44. The other options are for the MBv7 app where there were more options. Logically whatever selection is made that is not one of the MBv8 options would select the next lower options for MBv8. Such as selecting SSSE3, SSE4.1, or SSE4.2 should install that version of MBv7 & the SSE3 version of MBv8.

SIMD instructions are normally additive. So if you have a SSE 4.2 CPU it supports all previous versions as well.
SSE3 might just be more efficient than AVX on your 24c/48t configuration. The highest level SIMD instruction set is not always the most efficient option.
630) Message boards : Number crunching : No work being done by one of my laptops??? (Message 1791397)
Posted 28 May 2016 by Profile HAL9000
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Thanks Hal, that is great to know.

The official instructions on Controlling BOINC remotely.
For my machines I use the cc_config.xml option <allow_remote_gui_rpc> instead of using a remote_hosts.cfg file. That way I don't have to configure the IP of each machine I might be connecting from.
631) Message boards : Number crunching : GPU Wars 2016: GTX 1050 Ti & GTX 1050: October 25th (Message 1791394)
Posted 28 May 2016 by Profile HAL9000
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Hey guys, as I mentioned in this post above, since I am getting one, and will be installing it on the 48 core system that I am configuring right now, any thoughts you might have about proper apps to use, since it is a fresh load? Won't be installing vid drivers till I get the card, so will probably have to reinstall the optimized apps if that is suggested to install today as the CPU cruncher it will start out life as, till the vid card arrives. Or just run it stock? And is there a specific version I should install now, to be ready for when the card arrives? I am open to any and all suggestions.

I typically find the best performance with the AVX app, but with that many tasks running at once SSE3 might be more efficient. It could take running both for a while to see. Either option should be more efficient than the base CPU app.
632) Message boards : Number crunching : No work being done by one of my laptops??? (Message 1791390)
Posted 28 May 2016 by Profile HAL9000
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I think I'll be installing the client on all of my computers in the near future. Are there any security holes opened up by installing it that you are aware of, that I should make sure are closed by proper configuration? Or is it just run it and use it?

The believe the only security related issues are the configuration changes to BOINC itself. By default it only allows connections from the localhost. However unless you are opening port 31416 to the internet it shouldn't be a problem.
633) Message boards : Number crunching : Decided to Bail Out on SETI for a Short While (Message 1791388)
Posted 28 May 2016 by Profile HAL9000
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HAL, question for you. Since our 'benefactor' made his (very large) contribution to this science en devour, why hasn't (at least as far as my limited knowledge of it all goes) any of those resources migrated toward where they can do the most good long term for everyone, and the project as a whole - the back end (meaning the software that we all use to process all the work that the donation has provided)?

I'd think that with the kind of dollars I have heard mentioned previously, there would be a percentage, let's say maybe 3-5% of it that could be strictly dedicated to making the basic program be the best it can be? Which may include hiring some of the people who have been so kind to volunteer their time to this project so generously (if they are interested, of course), otherwise hiring full time, highly qualified programming staff for it (maybe poach a programmer or 2 from Nvidia and ATI? Bwhahaha!). This would enable us to be able to efficiently run the latest work units that said contribution has provided us in such large quantities?

From that would flow much good science, as well as long term (relative, as of course hardware and O/S'es change over time) stability, along with the ability to maybe work with said vendors in a serious way (ATI/Nvidia) so we might be able to plan somewhat our path, and not be blindsided by the changes and have to scramble madly to get the product to work properly. Maybe this is all pie in the sky, but with the proper resources, directed the proper way, I think it should be doable?


I haven't really been following everything related to this large funding contribution.

However I know there is a lot more going on behind the scenes than we observe directly or get notifications.
The amount that may be directed to SETI@home specifically is likely VERY small. I'm not sure that SETI institute itself even had that large of a chunk.
I think most of the money was said to be going to dedicated telescope time globally.
Also there may be limitations to how the money can be allocated.
634) Message boards : Number crunching : No work being done by one of my laptops??? (Message 1791380)
Posted 28 May 2016 by Profile HAL9000
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Huh, ok, thanks Richard. I guess that makes sense, but it is strange that on all (as best as I can recall) the 30 some systems I've set up in the last couple months, this one was the only one that didn't have the countdown timer running continuously. In fact, when I brought up that screen on that computer, I had to look at it for a second to see what wasn't right about it, as I knew something was off, and then noticed that there was no countdown on this one unlike all the others.

Well, I'll just chalk it up to weirdness, and keep an eye on it when I get them all up and running. Oh, one question. I remember mentioned to me in the last month or two that there was a program that I could put onto each machine, and be able to monitor all of the systems running BOINC as if I was sitting right in front of it, it gives the same info that I see when I pull up BOINC. Do you happen to know what that is, and how well it works? Thanks!

You can use BOINC Manager to view any system on your network. Once you have configured BOINC to allow remote connections. However if you want to see all of them at once you are probably thinking of BOINC Tasks or BOINC View
I prefer BOINC View. I use it to: 1) Make sure all the hosts are running. 2) Make sure they all have work. I liek the way it does this better than BOINC Tasks. YMMV
635) Message boards : Number crunching : Using Android mobiles to crunch BOINC stuff (Message 1791367)
Posted 28 May 2016 by Profile HAL9000
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As it has been said. Without a SIM card an Android phone will function basically like a tablet. The mobile device only needs an internet connection so that BOINC can download/upload work. Wifi is normally the easiest option, but sometimes, depending on the device, it can be configured to access the internet via an USB connection from a PC.

You can run your mobile device several different ways.
-If you set BOINC to only run 1 task at a time it will run the coolest, use the least amount of power, & likely complete work the fastest. Then you might be able to go a normal day letting BOINC run while on the battery & only charging it overnight. On my Galaxy S4 went for this configuration & set BOINC to stop when the battery got to 20-30%.
-You could use your device normally and let BOINC only run when plugged in to charge. If you had it plugged in overnight 7-8 hours it would take a few days for work to complete, but that isn't a problem.
-You could leave the device plugged to a power source with the battery removed to run 24/7.

If you have an interest in running several mobile devices without batteries this article might be of interest to you.
http://www.instructables.com/id/How-to-use-phone-without-battery/

Leaving a lithium battery connected to a charger 24/7 will cause it to wear faster then with normal use. Some have sound that doing so caused the batter to swell and damage the device. If a swelling battery isn't detected soon enough it could be a fire hazard.

My observations have been that most of the heat seems to come from the battery charging/discharging rather than the device processor. Even while setting in direct sunlight charging the CPU temp, while running a single task, didn't reach the point where the clock was throttled.
636) Message boards : Number crunching : Decided to Bail Out on SETI for a Short While (Message 1791350)
Posted 28 May 2016 by Profile HAL9000
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And Kittes@home just look at mices...........
My kitties just keep on looking at the stars.

My fuzzy minions waste their time watching movies all day.
http://i.imgur.com/IvWLL9K.jpg

So, can you explain better what a 6-month GBT task would look like (download data size, perhaps), what mathematics would be performed, and why it can't be broken down into smaller sub-sections? That's asked out of genuine curiosity.

Would I be project scientist - perhaps. I will know design decisions when they will be formed. From common sense to get improvement over Arecibo data longer time periods can be used for signal accumulation so longer initial arrays for FFA. Smth like large FFA or bigger. Targeted search in general allows longer time domain for signal accumulation that results in better signal/noise ratio => increased sensitivity on the same hardware.

If longer tasks increase our chance of finding our needle in the cosmic haystack, I am all for it.
I do not care if the apparent result is me crunching one WU per day.

If that one WU is more productive than tossing ten a minute out the window, so be it.

I have long ago said that I luv my credits, but that is NOT why I am here.

I am here for the freaking SCIENCE of it, and that is what attracted me to the project in the first place, and that is what keeps me here.

And the fact that things are progressing here, rather that the same old...
Makes me even more determined to participate in this amazing project.

Meow!

I believe one of the issues the project tries to balance is allowing as many host to participate as possible.
Only having much larger, or complex, workunits could raise the minimum machine specifications. It might even cause a significant portion to no longer be able to contribute. Offering both types of work would allow a large number of hosts to participate & have more complex data analyzed by hosts that are capable. However that is more work on the back end.
637) Message boards : Number crunching : Kitty cooling off thread................... (Message 1790939)
Posted 27 May 2016 by Profile HAL9000
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Just for a cooling off period..................
Might do well to watch How about a kitty little vid for a rest stop?

Meow.

While your kittehs are cooling off you might find this helpful. To better optimize them for the warmer weather.
638) Message boards : Number crunching : Optimisations for NUMA (Message 1790564)
Posted 26 May 2016 by Profile HAL9000
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I had a server with dual Xeon E5645 CPUs. I could enable or disable NUMA in the BIOS & doing so had no apparent effect on BOINC or the project applications I was running.
639) Message boards : Number crunching : Why need 5 different stock AMD OpenCL GPU applications? (Message 1790421)
Posted 26 May 2016 by Profile HAL9000
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Since tonight I run stock Seti applications on my AMD HD7870, Windows 7 x64, Crimson 15.12 drivers.
Where BOINC for the first 6 tasks downloaded the v8.12 OpenCL ATIAPU SoG (opencl_atiapu_SoG) application, it's since gone and downloaded also the OpenCL ATI SAH (opencl_ati_cat132), OpenCL ATI5 SAH (opencl_ati5_cat132), OpenCL ATI5 SoG (opencl_ati5_SoG_cat132) and OpenCL ATIAPU SAH (opencl_atiapu_sah) applications. I don't really see the need why it should do so. It's running just normal MBs and Guppi VLARs, I guess just like everyone else.

The downside of this is of course that it now takes at least 5 times as long before my computer is being seen as trustworthy, because it now needs to do 5 times the '10 task minimum without error' validation rounds.

Seeing the applications page, there's probably two more applications I see that can be sent my way.

If you think that is bad. We now have 12 Android apps. After 4 or 5 months of running nearly 24/7 I still did not have the required "completed" tasks for each app.

I really think that being able to enable/disable apps by their plan class should be a default BOINC option.
640) Message boards : Number crunching : Decided to Bail Out on SETI for a Short While (Message 1790335)
Posted 25 May 2016 by Profile HAL9000
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It seems you are asking for an app that executes different code deepening on the AR of the task. To my knowledge none of the applications do this. If you would care to fund a full time application development I'm sure we could have apps optimized for every situation & hardware revision.
My R9 390X is less efficient than my i5-4690K when doing normal AR tasks. So I don't have it configured to run MB work on the GPU. Because I rather use my computing power as efficiently as possible. I haven't compared how each runs GBT data yet, but if the GBT VLARs are more efficient on the GPU they would defiantly be run there on my system. VLARs were never much of a problem for my Radeon GPUs.


Actually all the GPU builds (afaik, Raistmer can correct me on his) dispatch to different GPU code depending on the lengths of the pulsefinds (strongly connected with AR). They have tuning parameters mostly targeted at minimising display lag (rather than speed), and various levels of microarchitectural optimisation. It is looking like those optimisations (where applied) are insufficient, and that a replacement pulsefinding algorithm (as opposed to code) is what's needed, redesigned to cope with the new demands.

I had read your previous post right after I had posted mine. Whipping up a new algorithm should be easy enough. At least for someone with degrees in mathematics, computer science, & possibly astronomy as well.

For the moment it sounds like we are in this situation
641) Message boards : Number crunching : Decided to Bail Out on SETI for a Short While (Message 1790321)
Posted 25 May 2016 by Profile HAL9000
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Why do people keep saying there is a design flaw.


Maybe I wasn't clear in my original statement - I meant there was a design flaw in the CODE, not the hardware. If you know hardware has certain characteristics, you should code with that in mind, not just implement an algorithm that (maybe) doesn't take hardware quirks into account.

In the case at hand, if the AR affects how the code executes time-wise (as it does), than that should be compensated for (as much as possible) in the implementation actually coded. Just as the Lunatics code is written to work differently on different implementations of hardware in the CPUs. THAT is what I meant... and that's why I called it a design flaw. Anybody remember the old Pentium FDIV bug? It could be coded around, once it was known.

Anyway, it really bothers me that my nice 980s are basically producing much less results for the current they are drawing (about 1/4 of previous), so I am experimenting with a 32-thread machine to replace at least one of my crunchers, When that is up and running, I will likely return, after maybe selling my GPUs. Yes, they still produce more work than CPU cores, but not enough, it would seem, to justify the electricity expense - the 980 draws around 150 watts while running 3 WUs at a time, and an 8c/16t CPU around 115. So no longer is the 980 justifiable, at least until the code is fixed.

It seems you are asking for an app that executes different code deepening on the AR of the task. To my knowledge none of the applications do this. If you would care to fund a full time application development I'm sure we could have apps optimized for every situation & hardware revision.
My R9 390X is less efficient than my i5-4690K when doing normal AR tasks. So I don't have it configured to run MB work on the GPU. Because I rather use my computing power as efficiently as possible. I haven't compared how each runs GBT data yet, but if the GBT VLARs are more efficient on the GPU they would defiantly be run there on my system. VLARs were never much of a problem for my Radeon GPUs.
642) Message boards : Number crunching : Building a 32 thread xeon system doesn't need to cost a lot (Message 1790306)
Posted 25 May 2016 by Profile HAL9000
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Thanks for the heads up on the Pre idea, I will remember that one! And if I am looking at ~300 tasks completed per day, I thought I would try to get a comparison of that and my current highest concurrent (24) threaded rig, but looking at the details of it, I didn't see in the list the # of tasks processed per day. I was hoping to see that info, broken down into CPU and GPU, is there a spot on there that it is listed, that I am not seeing?

I also have my other recent rig, Computer 794928 which has a i7-5930K CPU, which is a current gen (I believe) i-7 proc that is fairly fast (though not the fastest available, because even with all my toys, there _is_ a limit to the budgets for these things), and has been OC'ed about 10% or so, nothing spectacular, but just a little bump over the long term, with almost no addl heat. This one would be the comparison to the 48 core in my world, of your observation, and I will be monitoring it closely to see how they compare. I'll probably put a Kill-a-Watt onto both of them once I get the 48 core loaded with video cards, though that will probably be a little bit of a ways off, depending on when Nvidia fleshes out their product line a bit more on the 10x0 series...

You mentioned that there might be a point where memory saturation occurs and running more tasks beyond that point is less efficient, I presume that you aren't referring to a situation where there isn't enough RAM, it's that the bandwidth in the internal buses between the CPU and RAM is just clogging up trying to pass too much thru too small a pipe, would that be correct, or is it that the actual RAM quantity isn't enough?

Thanks again for all your thoughts, they are appreciated.

You can look at the Number of tasks today in the application details for the host. However you will have to know what kind of tasks you have completed since midnight. If the host has been doing mostly shorties the number will be much higher than expected & if there were a lot of VLARs the number will be lower than expected.
This is why I calculate tasks/day by finding the time a normal AR task takes. Then it is some simple math (24/task time)*cores.
If the run time was ~4 hours on a 48 c/t host (24/4)*48=288 tasks a day.
If the run time was ~50 minutes on a 4 c/t host (24/.83)*4=112-116 tasks a day.
I normally drop the decimal in the tasks/day before I multiply it by the number of cores. Like with 24/8.83=28.91. It would be either 28 or 29 tasks per core a day.
It looks like your i7-5930K does a normal AR CPU task in about 1hr 45min. If that is the time while running 12 CPU tasks then 156-168 CPU tasks a day could be expected. Also it looks like the i7-5930K is based on the E5-1650v3.

You would really only want to compare the power consumption of your 24c/48t & i7-5930K systems if they were similarly loaded with GPUs. Otherwise you will also be measuring the GPU power differences.

As Cosmic_Ocean mentioned & you presumed correctly I was referring to memory bandwidth saturation. It has been my experience that the term saturation is used when referring to bandwidth. Then usage, or used, when referring to the amount. Like memory or disk usage. It could be said that a disk is saturated with data when filled, but it sounds weird to me. YMMV

I mentioned that I believe memory saturation could be an issue as SETI@home tends to be very heavy on memory i/o. Also that the number of cores/threads in a CPU is increasing faster than the memory bandwidth.
Being able to use the fastest memory you can is helpful. A 20% bump in memory speed is much easier than a 20% CPU overclock. As you can get memory that is designed to run at the higher speed. SETI@home run times seem to be reduced about 75% of the memory speed increase. So a 20% bump in memory speed is about a 15% reduction in run time. At least with my my observations of 1333MHz & 1600MHz DDR3 memory. Many years ago when 100MHz & 133MHz memory were the choices. The use of 133MHz memory was a significant gain for the systems that could use it.
643) Message boards : Number crunching : Building a 32 thread xeon system doesn't need to cost a lot (Message 1790111)
Posted 24 May 2016 by Profile HAL9000
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Hal, curious about that last statement, because I am in the process of putting together a 48 thread machine, should be firing it up tomorrow. I wanted to try getting a V2 processor, as well as high of a core count as I could, without breaking the bank, so I found 2 of these from Japan (per Intel, they are spec'ed specifically for the Asian market, prob to hit a price point is my guess and are OEM only, which are the reasons I couldn't find anything about them on Intel's website), they arrived over the weekend and I started assembling them on my Supermicro board:

Brand 	                Intel
Processor Model 	Xeon E5-2692v2 (CM8063501452600)
Clock Speed 	        2.2 GHz
Turbo Speed 	        3.0 Ghz
CPU Socket Type 	Socket 2011 / LGA2011
Multi-Core Technology 	12-Core
TDP 	                115 W
L1 cache 	        32 KB
L2 cache 	        256 KB
L3 cache 	        30 MB
Bus Speed 	        5 GT/s DMI
Manufacturing Process 	22 nm
64-bit Computing 	Yes


(sorry for it being all smashed together, it was formatted perfectly in the window, but when posted it lost all the spacing for the columns)

Seems to me that the biggest compromise I had to make with these, to be able to actually afford them, was the lower clock speed (but on the positive side, 115 vs 130/150w for the faster versions, so that is a small bonus). So your statement about (many) more slower cores is worse than a few much faster ones worries me a little. I already have the bits and pieces, so I am going to assemble it, but I hope that I didn't spend my money in a less than optimal way. Your thoughts on what I might expect to see? I will have the ability to add 4 PCI-E video cards to the mix as well, thinking that once the 10x0 series gets a little more fleshed out, this might make an interested crunching rig, that is if/when the RAC issues of the GUPPIES gets worked out, because for now it sure seems to be going in the wrong direction for Nvidia GPU crunching of them...

It is a bit annoying how Intel's OEM parts don't get a public spec list. Early generation Intel Macs used custom parts as well & getting the specs for them initially was really hard. The specs for the E5-2692v2 fall in line logically below the E5-2697v2 & E5-2695v2. Sometimes their numbering scheme is actually helpful.

If I were to guesstimate the run times for the E5-2692v2.
1) I would consider the speed improvements on Ivy Bridge over Sandye Bridge
2) I would extrapolate the increase in time that tasks take when there are more instances running.
- I imagine there might be a point where memory saturation occurs and running more tasks beyond that point is less efficient.

I would guesstimate that normal AR arecibo tasks will be somewhere in the 3.75-4.25 hr range when running 48 at once. Probably ~250-300 tasks a day.

When I was picking out parts.
A pair of E5-2670 CPUs, MB, & coolers came to $625. These CPUs have a TDP of 115w each or 230w combined.
A pair of i5-6500 CPUs, MBs, & coolers came to $640. These CPUs have a TDP of 65w each or 130w combined.
The cost for RAM is pretty much the same if configured with an equal amount of RAM. Such as 16GB per i5 or 32GB for the Xeon.
As I already have enough HDDs and PSUs around for either configuration I didn't factor those pieces.

Based on the times I have seen from hosts with i7-6000 CPUs I would guess that the i5-6500 would be on par or slightly faster then my i5-4670 CPUs.
644) Message boards : Number crunching : Anything relating to AstroPulse tasks (Message 1789941)
Posted 24 May 2016 by Profile HAL9000
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Out of curiosity, in reference to the quote from Eric regarding APs from GBT data, was there a hypothetical timeline for that? A month, six months, a year?

If my understanding is correct, it will need a new app (like for MB7->8), and the database has already been upgraded to handle tapes from different sources (unless that was just the MB tables), so really it would just mean modifying the splitter, validator, and assimilator for AP, add the portion of code to the apps that handles different sources, throw it into beta to make sure it's going to work like it should, and then release it, right?

I know I make it sound over-simplified and I know there's more to it than that, but unless there are plans to increase the precision for APv8, as well, it shouldn't take much to add the ability to handle multiple tape sources to existing software.

I would guess that won't get started until the last of MBv7 is returned and assimilated though, and judging by the stats reported on the SSP, that's getting pretty close.

I would expect we will need a new AP app as well.
Also I would hazard a guess that unless there are some summer inters to help out with APv8 that we might have to wait until the fall semester starts.
645) Message boards : Number crunching : Building a 32 thread xeon system doesn't need to cost a lot (Message 1789822)
Posted 23 May 2016 by Profile HAL9000
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One other thing to consider is that in a few years the $300-400 motherboards for these CPUs will likely be had for <$100 once the demand for them drops off. I would file that under pros.

I was specing out the parts to update my VMware server with a pair of E5-2670's. Then decided to see how the crunching performance of the Xeon CPUs compared to desktop CPUs. As I knew, from a dual Xeon E5645 server I had at work, that a few much faster cores can best the performance of many much slower ones with running BOINC projects.
646) Message boards : Number crunching : Building a 32 thread xeon system doesn't need to cost a lot (Message 1789553)
Posted 22 May 2016 by Profile HAL9000
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Very tempted to get a tower unit instead of a stack of laptops.

Yes purchase price to performance is good, but compared to laptops, running costs are high. My stack of 6 laptops use between 3 & 20 watts so with average of say 15 watts, that should give total usage of around 90 watts. Tasks vary between 30 and 65 per day with credits between 3,600 and 3,900 per day. Two machines run Rosetta as well as SETI@Home and I have just added Enigma to a separate machine as well.


Yes - but one 32-thread machine (with no GPU work at all) will run 500+ WUs/day, drawing about 400 watts. So roughly 10 times the work done for about 5 times the cost.

With a normal AR task running ~3.5 hours on a E5-2670 you would be looking at closer to 192-224 tasks a day for a 16c/32t system.

For reference. My i5-4670 running 4 CPU tasks can complete ~96 normal AR tasks a day. With the high cost of motherboards for these Xeon CPUs, $350-400, it might be cheaper to built a pair of i5 systems. The 5th & 6th gen i5's might pump out even more tasks vs the 4th gen.
647) Message boards : Number crunching : Why is it ATI does so bad on Seti? (Message 1789048)
Posted 20 May 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thank for explanation. Helps a bit in understanding numbers but since I joined these projects at different time frames but NOT what I was targeting for contributions to each project.

Project Total credit Average credit Since
Einstein 2,572,507 5,593 8 Sep 2007
MilkyWay 588,994 1,059 7 Dec 2014
SETI 10,819,614 1,016 3 Oct 1999

BOINC is trying to match "resource share" to long term "total credit" not my intent. Guess I have to change "resource share" down for the other projects to match my intent to balance contribution "average daily" work since I joined projects at different dates total credits differ due to start dates.

BOINC is NOT trying to match "resource share" to long term "total credit" in any way what so ever.
Resource share only refers to the amount of run time the client will give to each project. Your project credit and when you started with the project are not factors in any way what so ever.

If you are trying to adjust the resource share so you have an equal RAC for each project I wish you luck. As it has already been explained credit at one project is not comparable to another. Doing that is a bit like having a stack of 20 dollar bills, 20 Euros, & 20 Yen. Then saying they are equal because there is the same number in each stack.
648) Message boards : Number crunching : Why is it ATI does so bad on Seti? (Message 1788718)
Posted 19 May 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
One does not usually compare credits between projects....
All projects value the work done differently.

You can compare your computor to a similiar one here on seti to see if your computor are doing as good as it should.

I'd say your computor does what it should here on seti.


IMHO BOINC should be concerned with how each project allocates credit otherwise scheduling among project will be wrong. For example I also am trying to split contributions on single machine between MILKYWAY and SETI. In my case MW is processing 9x "work" vs. SETI daily average basis.

I also noticed that "deadline" for MILKYWAY is early than for SETI by two weeks! All MILKYWAY scheduled work is due by 20 May 2016 while on SETI all work is due in June!

SO BOINC runs more MILKYWAY WU(tasks) than SETI. Currently 4 MILKYWAY active tasks to one SETI.

In project page MILKYWAY "resource share" is 33% while SETI "resource share" is 67%. Not quite the way active tasks, work units, are currently running.

Is this an issue for BOINC, SETI or MILKYWAY to address via current allocation method for work?

What you are seeing with the resource share has nothing to do with credit the more with the time debt system that the BOINC client uses to try balancing resources. The BOINC client aims for more of a long time resource allocation balance. With your resource share settings the client could run SETI@home for 60 days & then run Milkyway for 30 days.
The number of tasks completed doesn't really equate to amount of work done. Different projects perform different types of calculations. How efficient the hardware and software you use to perform those calculations determines how much actual work your computer(s) are doing.

SETI@home has long deadlines to allow as many hosts to participate as they consider can return work in a reasonable amount of time. Projects decide on their deadlines & size of tasks by what their needs are.
649) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows 10 - Yea or Nay? (Message 1788528)
Posted 18 May 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

Any moderately sized business I would expect to be using Windows Server Update Services instead of allowing each client to update individually. Which gives admins control over which updates the clients will get. That way if a business finds there is an issue with update KB8675309 they can block from their clients before it is ever deployed.

I have actually seen bad updates mentioned here in the past, and relayed them to out IT Admin before they caused problems. One update I am thinking of could actually brick a machine. Our Admin stopped the update until it was patched.

Steve

Edit: And they say I shouldn't be looking at Seti while I work...... :D

I believe it was mentioned in a MS WSUS Best Practices document to have a sandbox to test updates before they are deployed. I think the default, or recommended, configuration makes all updates available to the clients as soon as they are downloaded by the server.
650) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows 10 - Yea or Nay? (Message 1788521)
Posted 18 May 2016 by Profile HAL9000
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I can't imagine how businesses are going to accept that with business critical apps running, and then MS lobs an "update" over the wall, blowing up said program without getting permission. I think that will be a huge hulking fly in that ointment for them. I used to work in IT years ago, and if they had tried to pull something like that, with no regression/compatibility testing, it would have been war. lol

So, as the the ancient Chinese saying/curse goes: May you live in interesting times. And apparently, we do...

Updates work differently for consumer vs business.
Consumers, by default, run Current Branch, but can opt-in to Preview Branch if they want to be be guinea pigs.
Businesses with Windows 10 Pro or Enterprise can run Current Branch for Business.
Businesses with Windows 10 Enterprise can also run Long Term Servicing Branch.
Each branch has different options for deferring or blocking updates.

Any moderately sized business I would expect to be using Windows Server Update Services instead of allowing each client to update individually. Which gives admins control over which updates the clients will get. That way if a business finds there is an issue with update KB8675309 they can block from their clients before it is ever deployed.
651) Message boards : Number crunching : Version 8.12? (Message 1788512)
Posted 18 May 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I never had one in front of mine as well but I can't remember what thread it was mentioned that the space at the beginning of the command line for the MB needed a space.

I have seen more than one person mention that, but I have never used a space at the beginning of my commandline.txt files. I see all of my specified commands reflected in the Stderr output.
Perhaps there was a beta/test version that had an issue where that was once required & it has been incorrectly propagated since?
I'm not sure if - is being use as a delimiter or if whole command switches are being read, but I would not expect a space before the first command to be relevant.
652) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows 10 - Yea or Nay? (Message 1788485)
Posted 18 May 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

Amen. Sadly. Less than 4 years, and 7 will be 'dead'. Choosing to not think about it at the moment, but will eventually have to plan for this occasion. I'm sure by that point, W10 will be in the rear view mirror and what, W11 will be out? I dunno, maybe Linux, though my experiences with it have been less that optimal up to now. Too much else to think about right now, will try to worry about it when the time draws nearer.

No at some point in time Windows 10 will change to something like "Windows OS". Their plan is to go with a constantly updating environment where users don't have to worry about versions. Much like how facebook or ebay operate. When those sites update the users don't normally notice unless there is a change in the layout.
653) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows 10 - Yea or Nay? (Message 1788474)
Posted 18 May 2016 by Profile HAL9000
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-[ snip ]-

These don't include all the Windows 10 nagware and telemetry updates. It'll cut your "waiting for the updates to show up and download" time down to the wait time for the package to download, which is dependent on your download speed.

We are making this change – shifting to rollup updates, to improve the reliability and quality of our updates.

-[ snip ]-

Greetings Jord,

With all the underhanded crap Micro$oft has been doing to get Window$ 10 shoved down our throats, how can we trust this to be legit? I do not trust Micro$oft.

Keep on BOINCing...! :)

654) Message boards : Number crunching : Why is it ATI does so bad on Seti? (Message 1788277)
Posted 18 May 2016 by Profile HAL9000
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I'm not sure that SETI & Milkyway can be compared directly. SETI uses Single Precision operations while Milkyway does Double Precision, at least for GPU apps & I would guess CPU apps as well. SETI does FFT calculations. I don't know what Milkyway does.

A comparison of the two with my Radeon R9 390X
Running 2 Milkyway tasks at a time: The GPU power usage is ~125w range & tasks run ~35 seconds.
Running 1 SETI task at a time: The GPU power usage is ~230w & tasks run about 6 minutes.

AMD CPUs generally have weaker ALUs compared to their Intel counterparts. When it comes to SETI performance that aspect is important.

I would say you should run whichever projects you feel are worthwhile for your processor time.

Also are you extracting the estimated FLOPs from the tasks sent to your system for each project, or calculating them some way?
655) Message boards : Number crunching : GBT ('guppi') .vlar tasks will be send to GPUs, what you think about this? (Message 1788275)
Posted 18 May 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
And some would call this cherry-picking and SETI-unethical behavior. And I would agree this time.
There is another possibilities like task re-scheduling that will do the same w/o any harm to project itself.

@Raistmer
So where can WezH get the re-scheduling app from ... I don't think it's enough to just say it's a possibility without giving the solution.

Where WezH can? You don't think? So, start to.
Or now nasty things will be "in the wezH name"?

And regarding "app availability" - it's not so hard to devise it by yourself. But sure it will require few more brain cells than to press "abort" button

It may requires fewer brain cells to locate the old program still on the creators site. It does need updated to work with the current version, but a detailed step by step process was provided by someone else that uses it recently.

You mean this?:
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=77586&postid=1763938#1763938

(Link to get boinc_rescheduler_2_7.zip and how to patch the .exe to work with setiathome_v8
If there was a box on the first tab (to choose/type application) as it exist on the second tab (for AstroPulse) this patch would not be needed.
)

Really I was thinking of http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=77586&postid=1763581, but I wanted them to search for it themselves.
656) Message boards : Number crunching : GBT ('guppi') .vlar tasks will be send to GPUs, what you think about this? (Message 1788225)
Posted 18 May 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
And some would call this cherry-picking and SETI-unethical behavior. And I would agree this time.
There is another possibilities like task re-scheduling that will do the same w/o any harm to project itself.

@Raistmer
So where can WezH get the re-scheduling app from ... I don't think it's enough to just say it's a possibility without giving the solution.

Where WezH can? You don't think? So, start to.
Or now nasty things will be "in the wezH name"?

And regarding "app availability" - it's not so hard to devise it by yourself. But sure it will require few more brain cells than to press "abort" button

It may requires fewer brain cells to locate the old program still on the creators site. It does need updated to work with the current version, but a detailed step by step process was provided by someone else that uses it recently.
657) Message boards : Number crunching : Thoughts on this card, Deal or more likely Crapshoot? (Message 1788221)
Posted 17 May 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Huh, nope, it says 192 Unified, whatever that means.

Unified Shaders = CUDA cores.

Perhaps GPUz is only reading the number per SM. The 760 192-bit card is listed as having 6 SM & 6*192 = 1152


Looking at my EVGA GTX 760, I have 1152 shaders with a 256 bit bus width. Direct Compute 5.0

GPU clock: 980
Memory: 1502
Boost: 1033

I wonder if the Direct Compute version is limited by the OS. I noticed the GPU is also listing OpenCL 1.1, GeForce GTX 770 (3072MB) driver: 364.72 OpenCL: 1.1, instead of 1.2 & that driver does support 1.2. As does nearly ever NV GPU since the 500 series.
The only differences I see between the GTX 760 & the GTX 760 192-bit version are lower clocks & a reduced memory interface.

If the GPU does only have 192 shaders and has a default clock of 790. It makes me think it might be a GT 720 chip instead.
658) Message boards : Number crunching : Thoughts on this card, Deal or more likely Crapshoot? (Message 1788180)
Posted 17 May 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Huh, nope, it says 192 Unified, whatever that means.

Unified Shaders = CUDA cores.

Perhaps GPUz is only reading the number per SM. The 760 192-bit card is listed as having 6 SM & 6*192 = 1152
659) Message boards : Number crunching : Thoughts on this card, Deal or more likely Crapshoot? (Message 1788178)
Posted 17 May 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Well, they arrived late last week from China, fairly sparse inside the package, a driver CD and a molex-6 pin adapter, and the card. I tossed it into one of my freshly built systems, and have been letting it run for a few days - Computer 8001193.

It hasn't set the world on fire, but the RAC seems to be slowly creeping up, though it will be a week or to for it to (hopefully) stabilize. Will be interesting to see how it compares to the various versions of the 750 and 950's that I have.


How many tasks are you running at the same time on this GPU ? It seems a little slow for just one ...
Also, did you try GPU-Z ? It should report the chip that is actually on the card.

Tom

Working on the GPU-Z screen shot now, it shows it as a GK104 GTX 770, 192 shaders, 790 default clock which I have O/C'ed to 868 and seems to be running ok at that speed. The bus width shows as 192 bit as well. The system is running an X3370 CPU, running 3 out of 4 cores with one reserved for the GPU, and it is running 2 tasks at a time.

I would have expected to see 1152 shaders.
660) Message boards : Number crunching : Thoughts on this card, Deal or more likely Crapshoot? (Message 1788172)
Posted 17 May 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Well, they arrived late last week from China, fairly sparse inside the package, a driver CD and a molex-6 pin adapter, and the card. I tossed it into one of my freshly built systems, and have been letting it run for a few days - Computer 8001193.

It hasn't set the world on fire, but the RAC seems to be slowly creeping up, though it will be a week or to for it to (hopefully) stabilize. Will be interesting to see how it compares to the various versions of the 750 and 950's that I have.


How many tasks are you running at the same time on this GPU ? It seems a little slow for just one ...
Also, did you try GPU-Z ? It should report the chip that is actually on the card.

Tom

It would be interesting to see a screen shot from GPUz of that GPU. From the ebay description it seems like a rebadged 192-bit GTX 760.

My 750ti runs 2 tasks in ~25 min. So we can compare how long it takes vs a 750 or compare to other Kepler GPUs
661) Message boards : Number crunching : Average Credit Decreasing? (Message 1787955)
Posted 16 May 2016 by Profile HAL9000
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BTW, Einstein@home on CreditScrew currently?

I believe Einstein@home uses fixed credit per app. All of my tasks have been the same credit for Binary Radio Pulsar Search (Arecibo, GPU) & Binary Radio Pulsar Search (Parkes PMPS XT).
662) Message boards : Number crunching : CPU Invalids (Message 1787861)
Posted 16 May 2016 by Profile HAL9000
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I am just wondering if there is something wrong with this computer as the 2 APs that were crunched on the CPU both came up invalid.
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/results.php?hostid=7965534&offset=0&show_names=0&state=0&appid=20
Generally CPU APs are a rarity on my systems and the worst part is that I am leaving for a week this morning. I will try and see what you advise me while I am away as I will be checking by remote if there is enough bandwidth where I will be staying.

The first thing I noticed is that both of your results state Found 30 single pulses and 30 repeating pulses, exiting.
Where the results for the other hosts did not have 30/30 signals.
They found
single pulses: 6 repetitive pulses: 1
and
single pulses: 5 repetitive pulses: 0
for the two workunits tasks.

It looks like your host isn't returning good results. Often this can be from a thermal issue or overclocking.
663) Message boards : Number crunching : Question Of Meaning = SETI Is Useful Currently : Yes Or No? (Message 1787722)
Posted 15 May 2016 by Profile HAL9000
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Is there any news about kevin work?

It has been 4 months since this video.
he was then working on 10% of the database at the time, testing new nitpickr for amazon cloud servers.

That is the most up to date, and only, information about the subject.
664) Message boards : Number crunching : raspberry pi 3 vs GPU, whats best? (Message 1787720)
Posted 15 May 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

At 50 hours running 4 tasks at once that is about 1.92 tasks per day on average. Scaling that up to 8 devices using 2.5w each would be 20w & 15.36 tasks a day. However that still comes to (20w*24)/15.36 tasks a day = 31.25Wh per task average.

Raspberry Pi devices are cheap and consume little power, but are not the most efficient SETI@home devices. So if your goal is to most cost effectively increase your SETI@home contribution they are not the answer at this time. If you already have a Raspberry Pi & want to use it for SET@home there is an application available.


Yep, seems fairly conclusive.
I'm getting 10 x Orange Pi One boards just for kicks and will try a cluster of 40 ARM CPU's and see how it goes.
I don't expect the efficiency to be magically greater than the calcs for a single Rpi2 though.

If your plans are to run BOINC on an ARM cluster. You should be aware that BOINC uses shared memory to communicate with apps. So each node will have to run its own instance of BOINC.
665) Message boards : Number crunching : Question Of Meaning = SETI Is Useful Currently : Yes Or No? (Message 1787572)
Posted 14 May 2016 by Profile HAL9000
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Well then someone needs to go through it we probably have petabytes of data just loitering on the hdd's and tapes

They want to.. but need 10TB of SSDs and at least 512GB of RAM in a single server to do so, if they want to keep it in-house. Renting Cloud computing time for running through it would cost a fortune, but it would be faster. The minimum specs for that server is estimated to still take several months to run through the science DB's ~17-year backlog.

It was mentioned recently that they were working on making NTPCkr cloud based.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gR91rObbfqs
All hopes rest in the hands of Kevin. So no pressure for them!
666) Message boards : Number crunching : Question Of Meaning = SETI Is Useful Currently : Yes Or No? (Message 1787417)
Posted 14 May 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Well then someone needs to go through it we probably have petabytes of data just loitering on the hdd's and tapes

Very easy to say...that 'someone needs to go through it'.

Are you willing to fully fund the resources to do so?
The computer time, the manhour time.
A couple of new astrophysicists on the Seti staff?
Many complain that our work to date has not been fully analyzed yet.
There are reasons why.

We are lucky enough that Eric and others have kept the project together with string and bailing wire and duct tape to at least continue to accumulate the results of the data we have crunched and send back to them.

It could be a treasure trove, once fully processed.

Meow.

Wait... they had a budget for duck tape?
667) Message boards : Number crunching : Building a 32 thread xeon system doesn't need to cost a lot (Message 1787395)
Posted 14 May 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
power load is 2.8kw at 100% cpu but the psu's are 2 phase 220v 9.8Amp per psu

2.8kW!
Is that actual load when running, or maximum rating for the unit?

The spec sheet for the Dell PowerEdge C6145 says it can be equipped with either 1100W or 1400W redundant PSUs. I'm guessing they have the 1400w PSUs. All of my Dell servers typically would run 50-60% of the PSU rating when at full load & filled with HDDs. That is normally in the peak efficiency range for PSUs. So it makes sense the power supplies would be spec'd to run in that range.
668) Message boards : Number crunching : How to calculate performance per watt of power to compare different architecture? (Message 1787148)
Posted 13 May 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
So tasks are linear, as in they do not vary in complexity?
To confirm, a task that takes 2 hours is always doing 2x as much work as a task that takes 1 hour?

If i'm not mistaken, the tasks are heavily rely on floating point operations, thus would FLOPS also be a good yardstick?

I've read the thread you mention, but was not able to draw a conclusion, and was not confident the calculations being made by some users were correct and valid.

Tasks differ by Angle Range, or AR. You can see this value when you look at a completed task. Then look for WU true angle range is :. A value 0.42-0.44 is "normal" with values being much higher or lower differing in the time it takes to complete them. It is best to compare similar AR tasks & that have a similar number of other counts. That are displayed as:
Spike count: 8
Autocorr count: 0
Pulse count: 0
Triplet count: 0
Gaussian count: 0

Then you can compare the performance of device A to device B.

I haven't found using FLOPs across different types of hardware to work for me.

EDIT: Also I believe jason_gee, who does much of the CUDA app development, estimates the CUDA apps are around 5-10% efficient. I might have the percentage incorrect, but it's rather low.
669) Message boards : Number crunching : How to calculate performance per watt of power to compare different architecture? (Message 1787142)
Posted 13 May 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I prefer to calculate watt hours per task. You only need to know how long a normal task takes, how many are running on the device, and the power consumption.

Using credit to determine performance is no good as it is variable.

The efficiency of the Raspberry Pi is a topic that just came up in raspberry pi 3 vs GPU, whats best? thread.
670) Message boards : Number crunching : raspberry pi 3 vs GPU, whats best? (Message 1787050)
Posted 12 May 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
So a GTX 750Ti is (almost) 4 times as efficient as a RPi2.


On it's own, yes, but a GPU doesn't work on it's own, it's part of a PC system that also draws extra power. CPU, motherboard, drives, etc.
The RPi2 is a complete system on it's own, so it's not an apples to apples comparison.
Care to redo the calcs for your complete system?

The OPs original question was Raspberry Pi 3 vs GPU. Which is why there is a lot of talk about GPUs. On the GPU side I expected the OP was considering upgrading a GPU in one of their system or adding an addition GPU. On the Raspberry Pi side you can get several for the price of a GPU.

However to first the system vs system question. In a previous post I was using the processor TDP values to calculate Watt-hours per task. For two of my systems the results came out to be.
For comparison some of my systems
i5-4670K with a TDP of 84W running 4 MB tasks at once in ~1h each.
(84w * 60min)/60)/4 = 21Wh per MB task
Celeron J1900 with a TDP of 10W running 4 MB tasks at once in ~6h each.
(10w * 360min)/60)/4 = 15Wh per MB task

To get the complete system power usage I used the power display on my UPS.
For my host 5837483 which is a gaming machine. It has several 4 - 3.5" HDDs & a R9 390X. So not really geared toward being super efficient, but does have an 80Plus Platinum PSU. I was reading 97-102w while running 4 CPU tasks.
I'll use the high figure of 102w.
(102w * 60min)/60)/4 = 25.5Wh per MB task
For my host 7324426 which was kind of made with efficiency in mind. It does use a 2.5" HDD, but has an old 350w PSU that isn't even 80Plus certified. I was reading 15-16w while running 4 CPU tasks.
(16w * 360min)/60)/4 = 24Wh per MB task

Previously I was using 45w for my 750ti GPUs power consumption. Other have observed similar usage form their power meters. So if I were to add the GPU to either one of my two system I referenced the numbers would indeed be different.
Since my previous method of ((watts * run time in minutes)/60)/number of concurrent tasks does work when mixing CPU & GPU I'll use daily watt hours/daily number of tasks
Host 5837483 base CPU figures
(102w*24)/96 tasks a day = 25.5Wh per task
Host 7324426 base CPU figures
(16w*24)/16 tasks a day = 24Wh per task
Host 5837483 with 45w GTX 750ti doing 114 tasks a day added
(147w*24)/210 tasks a day = 16.8Wh per task average
Host 7324426 with 45w GTX 750ti doing 114 tasks a day added
(61w*24)/130 tasks a day = 11.26Wh per task average

So if you wanted to build a highly efficient cruncher from scratch you might want to look into getting an ASrock Q1900M & a GTX 750ti.
In USD an EVGA GTX 750ti can range from $100-130 depending on which version you get & the MB/CPU runs $70-80 depending on where you shop. Then about another $80-90 for a SSD, 8GB of RAM, & a PSU. So about $300 total. The Raspberry Pi is listed as being $35, but the cheapest I can find it is $47. That does include a power supply, but no SD card. However at $35 8 of them about only be $280.
At 50 hours running 4 tasks at once that is about 1.92 tasks per day on average. Scaling that up to 8 devices using 2.5w each would be 20w & 15.36 tasks a day. However that still comes to (20w*24)/15.36 tasks a day = 31.25Wh per task average.

Raspberry Pi devices are cheap and consume little power, but are not the most efficient SETI@home devices. So if your goal is to most cost effectively increase your SETI@home contribution they are not the answer at this time. If you already have a Raspberry Pi & want to use it for SET@home there is an application available.
671) Message boards : Number crunching : 2 new crunchers (Message 1786919)
Posted 12 May 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
well i'm test running it now and man the heat that thing puts out is enormous

can you estimate what the rac could be ?

and my god that thing is loud

You could probably put the heat coming out to use drying clothes or making jerky.

Just for quick math I tend to use 100 credit for a normal AR task. So 150 tasks a day would give a RAC of about 15,000. Since the credit system is variable a RAC of 10-15K might be more realistic.
672) Message boards : Number crunching : 2 new crunchers (Message 1786896)
Posted 12 May 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
yeah this is one single server with 2 boards in it so total is 96 cores

i shall see how it performs

With 920w of CPUs it will make a fantastic space heater while crunching work.
I'm going to estimate that normal AR tasks will run 8-10 hours. So each node will pump out ~150 MB tasks a day.
673) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows 10 - Yea or Nay? (Message 1786828)
Posted 11 May 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
So I purged all the bad ones.. and just turned updates off entirely. Problem solved.

No problems here.
674) Message boards : Number crunching : Radeon Software Crimson (Message 1786824)
Posted 11 May 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Ap's are not working right. I have 16.4.2 installed. I aborted this wonky ap.


With 16.3.2 being rubbish on my system. I'll wait for the next released driver before giving another 16.x driver a chance.
675) Message boards : Number crunching : Trying To Increase The Clock Speed Of An Nvidia 750 ti ?? (Message 1786822)
Posted 11 May 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I tried several of the same commands on my 750ti. Mine was already running 1345.5MHz when running SETI@home, but I figured I would see if I could push it any further using the nvidia-smi commands.

C:\Program Files\NVIDIA Corporation\NVSMI>nvidia-smi -pm 1
Setting persistence mode is not supported for GPU 0000:08:00.0 on this platform.
Treating as warning and moving on.
All done.

Looks like Windows doesn't get that function.




Interesting.

Just for grins I might have tried 1463 MHz. first rather than work my way up. When I ran "nvidia-smi -q -d SUPPORTED_CLOCKS" it gave a short list of discrete values. Perhaps you cannot set it to any of the in between values not listed. It would only be an academic exercise though if you are limited by low voltage.

I wonder why your max. power is 52 W while mine is 38.5 W. I guess it must be a hard limit the card manufacturer puts in their firmware and the cure is the same as for the under voltage condition - flashing a modded BIOS. After my recent MB fiasco, I do not think I am going there :).


Looks like I was misinterpreting the values being displayed. I saw Memory & 2700 and figured it was a list of memory clock speeds.
Attached GPUs                       : 1
GPU 0000:08:00.0
    Supported Clocks
        Memory                      : 2700 MHz
            Graphics                : 1463 MHz
            Graphics                : 1450 MHz
            Graphics                : 1437 MHz
            Graphics                : 1424 MHz
            Graphics                : 1411 MHz
            Graphics                : 1398 MHz
            Graphics                : 1385 MHz
            Graphics                : 1372 MHz
            Graphics                : 1359 MHz
            Graphics                : 1346 MHz
            Graphics                : 1333 MHz[pre]
I'm surprised that 1345 & 1347 MHz were accepted previously. Perhaps +/- 1MHz is allowed?

After setting setting nvidia-smi -ac 2700,1463 my GPU still only runs at 1345.5 MHz, but the reason displayed changes from [b]Applications Clocks Setting[/b] to [b]Unknown[/b].

[pre]C:\Program Files\NVIDIA Corporation\NVSMI>nvidia-smi -q -d PERFORMANCE

==============NVSMI LOG==============

Timestamp                           : Wed May 11 15:46:07 2016
Driver Version                      : 364.51

Attached GPUs                       : 1
GPU 0000:08:00.0
    Performance State               : P0
    Clocks Throttle Reasons
        Idle                        : Not Active
        Applications Clocks Setting : Not Active
        SW Power Cap                : Not Active
        HW Slowdown                 : Not Active
        Sync Boost                  : Not Active
        Unknown                     : Active


I imagine if I used a tool like Nvidia Inspector I could overclock the card further, but I don't really feel the need to. The fact it runs at 1345MHz instead of specified 1189 MHz or 1268 MHz already seems like a win to me.
676) Message boards : Number crunching : BOINC And Interference With Other Programs [ RESOLVED ] (Message 1786774)
Posted 11 May 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I place multiple elements on a single line in mine without any problems. I think the issue you had was using non-XML separators between elements..

<options>
	<exclusive_app>TS3W.exe</exclusive_app><exclusive_app>fallout4.exe</exclusive_app>
	<exclusive_gpu_app>TS3W.exe</exclusive_gpu_app><exclusive_gpu_app>fallout4.exe</exclusive_gpu_app>
</options>

09-May-2016 17:52:32 [---] Config: don't compute while TS3W.exe is running
09-May-2016 17:52:32 [---] Config: don't compute while fallout4.exe is running
09-May-2016 17:52:32 [---] Config: don't use GPUs while TS3W.exe is running
09-May-2016 17:52:32 [---] Config: don't use GPUs while fallout4.exe is running

Note: My use of <exclusive_app> & <exclusive_gpu_app> is redundant. However I was originally using <exclusive_gpu_app> then found I needed to have CPU apps suspended as well for fallout. So I copied the <exclusive_gpu_app> line to <exclusive_app>. Thinking it would be easier to comment it out if I stopped running CPU tasks. For reference XML comments are done with start and end tags line this <!--something goes here--> & can span multiple lines.
Also I imagine I could have placed all 4 of my exclusions on one line, but I prefer to have CPU & GPU exclusions on separate lines.

Greetings Hal,

This was how I was trying to delimit the filenames:
<exclusive_app>filename1.exe | filename2.exe | ...</exclusive_app>

and the commas:
<exclusive_app>filename1.exe, filename2.exe, ...</exclusive_app>


They showed up in the event log as:
Config: don't compute while filename1.exe | filename2.exe | ... is running
Config: don't compute while filename1.exe, filename2.exe, ... is running

The comment line code is the same as in HTML. :)

Thing is, I saw an example of GPUs delimited with the vertical bar which gave me the idea. Which of course, in this case, was wrong. ;)

Anyway, it's working just fine now. Thanks again! :)

Keep on BOINCing...! :)

Ah I see what you were doing. I think maybe it would be most correct to say each application needs to be enclosed in its own set of tags. It is probably possible to make a cc_config.xml that is one single line. That would be hard for humans to read in an app like notepad, but would be displayed correctly in an XML viewer.

I would guess when you saw an example of things separated by a vertical bar, or pipe*, it was something like this.
*I tend to call it a pipe even when I'm not piping a command.
<exclude_gpu>
   <url>project_URL</url>
   [<device_num>N</device_num>]
   [<type>NVIDIA|ATI|intel_gpu</type>]
   [<app>appname</app>]
</exclude_gpu>

Which in the example is meant to display the available options & I guess could be read an "or". <type>NVIDIA or ATI or intel_gpu</type>

It looks like the exclusive app function reads every character between the tags. Which would hopefully work for applications that have a space in their name such as "my app.exe".
677) Message boards : Number crunching : Trying To Increase The Clock Speed Of An Nvidia 750 ti ?? (Message 1786768)
Posted 11 May 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I tried several of the same commands on my 750ti. Mine was already running 1345.5MHz when running SETI@home, but I figured I would see if I could push it any further using the nvidia-smi commands.

C:\Program Files\NVIDIA Corporation\NVSMI>nvidia-smi -pm 1
Setting persistence mode is not supported for GPU 0000:08:00.0 on this platform.
Treating as warning and moving on.
All done.

Looks like Windows doesn't get that function.


C:\Program Files\NVIDIA Corporation\NVSMI>nvidia-smi -q -d CLOCK

==============NVSMI LOG==============

Timestamp                           : Wed May 11 11:50:38 2016
Driver Version                      : 364.51

Attached GPUs                       : 1
GPU 0000:08:00.0
    Clocks
        Graphics                    : 135 MHz
        SM                          : 135 MHz
        Memory                      : 405 MHz
        Video                       : 405 MHz
    Applications Clocks
        Graphics                    : 1189 MHz
        Memory                      : 2700 MHz
    Default Applications Clocks
        Graphics                    : 1189 MHz
        Memory                      : 2700 MHz
    Max Clocks
        Graphics                    : 1463 MHz
        SM                          : 1463 MHz
        Memory                      : 2700 MHz
        Video                       : 1317 MHz
    SM Clock Samples
        Duration                    : 109.42 sec
        Number of Samples           : 13
        Max                         : 1189 MHz
        Min                         : 135 MHz
        Avg                         : 1027 MHz
    Memory Clock Samples
        Duration                    : 109.42 sec
        Number of Samples           : 13
        Max                         : 2700 MHz
        Min                         : 405 MHz
        Avg                         : 2296 MHz
    Clock Policy
        Auto Boost                  : N/A
        Auto Boost Default          : N/A

So it says 1463 MHz. Let's go for it!

C:\Program Files\NVIDIA Corporation\NVSMI>nvidia-smi -ac 2700,1333
Applications clocks set to "(MEM 2700, SM 1333)" for GPU 0000:08:00.0
All done.

C:\Program Files\NVIDIA Corporation\NVSMI>nvidia-smi -ac 2700,1345
Applications clocks set to "(MEM 2700, SM 1345)" for GPU 0000:08:00.0
All done.

C:\Program Files\NVIDIA Corporation\NVSMI>nvidia-smi -ac 2700,1346
Applications clocks set to "(MEM 2700, SM 1346)" for GPU 0000:08:00.0
All done.

C:\Program Files\NVIDIA Corporation\NVSMI>nvidia-smi -ac 2700,1347
Applications clocks set to "(MEM 2700, SM 1347)" for GPU 0000:08:00.0
All done.

C:\Program Files\NVIDIA Corporation\NVSMI>nvidia-smi -ac 2700,1348
Specified clock combination "(MEM 2700, SM 1348)" is not supported for GPU 0000:08:00.0. Run 'nvidia-smi -q -d SUPPORTED
_CLOCKS' to see list of supported clock combinations
Treating as warning and moving on.
All done.

Looks like the max I am allowed to set is 1347 MHz. All values over that gave me the same warning message. The command nvidia-smi -q -d SUPPORTED_CLOCKS only displayed memory clock values. Starting with 2700 and descending.


After setting nvidia-smi -ac 2700,1347

C:\Program Files\NVIDIA Corporation\NVSMI>nvidia-smi -q -d CLOCK

==============NVSMI LOG==============

Timestamp                           : Wed May 11 11:58:57 2016
Driver Version                      : 364.51

Attached GPUs                       : 1
GPU 0000:08:00.0
    Clocks
        Graphics                    : 135 MHz
        SM                          : 135 MHz
        Memory                      : 405 MHz
        Video                       : 405 MHz
    Applications Clocks
        Graphics                    : 1346 MHz
        Memory                      : 2700 MHz
    Default Applications Clocks
        Graphics                    : 1189 MHz
        Memory                      : 2700 MHz
    Max Clocks
        Graphics                    : 1463 MHz
        SM                          : 1463 MHz
        Memory                      : 2700 MHz
        Video                       : 1317 MHz
    SM Clock Samples
        Duration                    : 589.67 sec
        Number of Samples           : 26
        Max                         : 1346 MHz
        Min                         : 135 MHz
        Avg                         : 522 MHz
    Memory Clock Samples
        Duration                    : 589.67 sec
        Number of Samples           : 26
        Max                         : 2700 MHz
        Min                         : 405 MHz
        Avg                         : 1257 MHz
    Clock Policy
        Auto Boost                  : N/A
        Auto Boost Default          : N/A

C:\Program Files\NVIDIA Corporation\NVSMI>nvidia-smi -q -d POWER

==============NVSMI LOG==============

Timestamp                           : Wed May 11 11:58:24 2016
Driver Version                      : 364.51

Attached GPUs                       : 1
GPU 0000:08:00.0
    Power Readings
        Power Management            : Supported
        Power Draw                  : 1.00 W
        Power Limit                 : 52.00 W
        Default Power Limit         : 52.00 W
        Enforced Power Limit        : 52.00 W
        Min Power Limit             : 30.00 W
        Max Power Limit             : 52.00 W
    Power Samples
        Duration                    : 54.60 sec
        Number of Samples           : 119
        Max                         : 3.38 W
        Min                         : 0.77 W
        Avg                         : 0.97 W

I was unable to set the power limit beyond 52w & received a similar message as you did for the command.

With a task running. I was just running 1 as I have run down the queue on the system. I'm planning to try the 750 in my HTPC to see how it interacts with my TV.
C:\Program Files\NVIDIA Corporation\NVSMI>nvidia-smi -q -d POWER

==============NVSMI LOG==============

Timestamp                           : Wed May 11 12:09:03 2016
Driver Version                      : 364.51

Attached GPUs                       : 1
GPU 0000:08:00.0
    Power Readings
        Power Management            : Supported
        Power Draw                  : 19.78 W
        Power Limit                 : 52.00 W
        Default Power Limit         : 52.00 W
        Enforced Power Limit        : 52.00 W
        Min Power Limit             : 30.00 W
        Max Power Limit             : 52.00 W
    Power Samples
        Duration                    : 10.13 sec
        Number of Samples           : 119
        Max                         : 24.46 W
        Min                         : 18.46 W
        Avg                         : 20.33 W

C:\Program Files\NVIDIA Corporation\NVSMI>nvidia-smi -q -d PERFORMANCE

==============NVSMI LOG==============

Timestamp                           : Wed May 11 12:09:44 2016
Driver Version                      : 364.51

Attached GPUs                       : 1
GPU 0000:08:00.0
    Performance State               : P0
    Clocks Throttle Reasons
        Idle                        : Not Active
        Applications Clocks Setting : Active
        SW Power Cap                : Not Active
        HW Slowdown                 : Not Active
        Sync Boost                  : Not Active
        Unknown                     : Not Active


Despite setting nvidia-smi -ac 2700,1347 I was still seeing 1345.5 MHz in GPUz. GPUz also indicates that my GPU performance is being limited by voltage. Which it was doing before I had used any nvidia-smi commands.

678) Message boards : Number crunching : BOINC And Interference With Other Programs [ RESOLVED ] (Message 1786750)
Posted 11 May 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I place multiple elements on a single line in mine without any problems. I think the issue you had was using non-XML separators between elements..

<options>
	<exclusive_app>TS3W.exe</exclusive_app><exclusive_app>fallout4.exe</exclusive_app>
	<exclusive_gpu_app>TS3W.exe</exclusive_gpu_app><exclusive_gpu_app>fallout4.exe</exclusive_gpu_app>
</options>

09-May-2016 17:52:32 [---] Config: don't compute while TS3W.exe is running
09-May-2016 17:52:32 [---] Config: don't compute while fallout4.exe is running
09-May-2016 17:52:32 [---] Config: don't use GPUs while TS3W.exe is running
09-May-2016 17:52:32 [---] Config: don't use GPUs while fallout4.exe is running

Note: My use of <exclusive_app> & <exclusive_gpu_app> is redundant. However I was originally using <exclusive_gpu_app> then found I needed to have CPU apps suspended as well for fallout. So I copied the <exclusive_gpu_app> line to <exclusive_app>. Thinking it would be easier to comment it out if I stopped running CPU tasks. For reference XML comments are done with start and end tags line this <!--something goes here--> & can span multiple lines.
Also I imagine I could have placed all 4 of my exclusions on one line, but I prefer to have CPU & GPU exclusions on separate lines.
679) Message boards : Number crunching : raspberry pi 3 vs GPU, whats best? (Message 1786583)
Posted 11 May 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Although the Rpi solutions might not be the most efficient, if the average time is 50 hours per task, then you only need say 13 boards (4 cores each) to do one task per hour. The Orange Pi One costs $10 for 4 cores, so only $130 in base hardware (not including SD cards, router, PSU, cables etc), and can be passively cooled.
But I have not done a bang-per-buck comparison with a PC.
Old PC's are often free though, I get plenty in the dumpster, even Core i7's.

Well for $130 you can get a 750ti GPU that will complete over 100 tasks a day when running 2 tasks at once.
680) Message boards : Number crunching : raspberry pi 3 vs GPU, whats best? (Message 1786383)
Posted 10 May 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
That makes sense, but I was wondering why nvidia-smi was reporting values so much less than the actual measured values with two independent separate hardware devices and if the temps and utilization figures as reported by nvidia-smi were off as well. I have never seen nvidia-smi report anywhere close to 35 watts let alone 40 watts.

Perhaps that tool is only reporting power usage from the PCIe bus or maybe the PCIe power connector?

Now that you mention it, I forgot about the fact when the GPU is working it also adds load to the CPU and nvidia-smi almost for certain does not show that load. Even if it doesn't report accurately, you can use it a a comparative tool which is the way I do use it. I guess we have beaten this horse into the ground.

I found where nvidia-smi was hiding & the value it displays for power usage matches what I see in other monitoring software. I expect they are reading from the same source. My 750ti seems to want to run at 1345MHz. Perhaps that is related to the higher power usage I see?

Even if I have abnormally high power usage for a 750ti it is still more efficient than several Rasberry Pi's & more cost effective.
681) Message boards : Number crunching : Backdrop to Seti screensaver? (Message 1786379)
Posted 10 May 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
So, today I was looking at the screensaver for one of the Breakthrough Listen work units and notice that there appears to be a backdrop behind the normal running graphic representation of the work analysis.

You have to look thru the moving graphic.

To the left looks like 2 ribbons from top to bottom. In the center it looks like a beam from top to bottom. Looks like a man with outstretched arms in the beam to the top and near the bottom another man with outstretched arms holding up a sphere or circle (kind of like atlas)

Anyone else seeing that or is my mind playing tricks? lol

I think your mind is playing tricks on you.

It is clearly a giant parabolic antenna on top of a comparatively small rocket blasting off into space.
682) Message boards : Number crunching : raspberry pi 3 vs GPU, whats best? (Message 1786325)
Posted 10 May 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Comparing that to my GTX 750ti FTW running 2 tasks at once in ~25 min & drawing up to 45w (according to GPUz).


Interesting. It appears nvidia-smi is not very accurate, at least on watts on consumed. Nvidia-smi reports my 750ti is using only 28 watts but after reading what yours is drawing I checked it with both the watts reading on the UPS and a KillaWatt device. It is a little difficult to know for sure because as soon as you kill the GPU processes they restart, but both the Killawatt and the UPS report mine is drawing about 40 watts for two tasks which is in line with what you were saying.

I wonder why the discrepancy between these two devices and nvidia-smi and if the nvidia-smi reported 95-99% utilization and temperature of 49C has any validity.

I have noticed the GPU power consumption does seem to vary based on the tasks that are being processed. I just checked my system. GPUz & HWinfo are both telling me my 750 is running about 33w right now.
Normally we figure about 80% of the TDP for power consumption while running SETI@home tasks. Perhaps consuming 25-45w is to be expected while running two tasks on a 750ti.


That makes sense, but I was wondering why nvidia-smi was reporting values so much less than the actual measured values with two independent separate hardware devices and if the temps and utilization figures as reported by nvidia-smi were off as well. I have never seen nvidia-smi report anywhere close to 35 watts let alone 40 watts.

Perhaps that tool is only reporting power usage from the PCIe bus or maybe the PCIe power connector?
683) Message boards : Number crunching : raspberry pi 3 vs GPU, whats best? (Message 1786311)
Posted 10 May 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Comparing that to my GTX 750ti FTW running 2 tasks at once in ~25 min & drawing up to 45w (according to GPUz).


Interesting. It appears nvidia-smi is not very accurate, at least on watts on consumed. Nvidia-smi reports my 750ti is using only 28 watts but after reading what yours is drawing I checked it with both the watts reading on the UPS and a KillaWatt device. It is a little difficult to know for sure because as soon as you kill the GPU processes they restart, but both the Killawatt and the UPS report mine is drawing about 40 watts for two tasks which is in line with what you were saying.

I wonder why the discrepancy between these two devices and nvidia-smi and if the nvidia-smi reported 95-99% utilization and temperature of 49C has any validity.

I have noticed the GPU power consumption does seem to vary based on the tasks that are being processed. I just checked my system. GPUz & HWinfo are both telling me my 750 is running about 33w right now.
Normally we figure about 80% of the TDP for power consumption while running SETI@home tasks. Perhaps consuming 25-45w is to be expected while running two tasks on a 750ti.
684) Message boards : Number crunching : raspberry pi 3 vs GPU, whats best? (Message 1786263)
Posted 9 May 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thank you all fore NICE answer.
ps:Sorry my ENGLISH!!!

We try to help as best we can.
Your English is much better than my Norwegian.
685) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (103) Server Problems? (Message 1786258)
Posted 9 May 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
New thread time.

How long until the next malfunction?

5... 4... 3... 2...
686) Message boards : Number crunching : BOINC Stats (Message 1786205)
Posted 9 May 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
For my account the user account link points to:
http://www.boincstats.com/en/stats/-1/user/detail/7fb79bebee83fc92e77a1386d0bfce9b
While the working path is now:
http://boincstats.com/en/stats/-1/user/detail/7fb79bebee83fc92e77a1386d0bfce9b

Looks like boincstats dropped the www subdomain.

Maybe the powers that be could repair the link on our account page.

If the change to the boincstats address is intentional and permanent it would made sense.
Also this might be related
Posted 2016-04-02 07:41:41
"It is with some regret that I inform you that BAM! has been bought by Samsung. Samsung will use BAM! to power their version of HTC's "Power To Give". We agreed not to disclose the selling price, but it's a number consisting of mostly zeroes. Samsung will keep using the current server infrastructure and will run BAM! as a nonprofit. Therefore they ask you to keep <a href="https://boincstats.com/en/page/donate">donating</a> to the server costs.

As a courtesy Samsung will allow BOINCstats and BAM! to keep running as usual so you shouldn't notice any difference. However, from now on, support and development will be provided by Samsung. Unfortunately, their Korean developers do not understand English so your questions and bug reports should be posted in Korean. Google translate may help with that.

It has been my pleasure giving you BOINCstats and BAM! and I hope you will keep enjoying the site under the new management.

Willy.
687) Message boards : Number crunching : Xeon Phi for BOINC? (Message 1786195)
Posted 9 May 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
i wish i would know more about these cards you can buy 10 of those for about 600$
thats quiet a bit of computing power

If they are going for $60 a piece. Then donating one for development probably wouldn't would to awful.
688) Message boards : Number crunching : BOINC Stats (Message 1786191)
Posted 9 May 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
For my account the user account link points to:
http://www.boincstats.com/en/stats/-1/user/detail/7fb79bebee83fc92e77a1386d0bfce9b
While the working path is now:
http://boincstats.com/en/stats/-1/user/detail/7fb79bebee83fc92e77a1386d0bfce9b

Looks like boincstats dropped the www subdomain.
689) Message boards : Number crunching : raspberry pi 3 vs GPU, whats best? (Message 1786051)
Posted 9 May 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I've starting calculating watt hours per task to determine which of devices are the most efficient.
Which can be calculated two different ways.
1. daily watt hours/daily number of tasks
or
2. ((watts * run time in minutes)/60)/number of concurrent tasks

For the Raspberry Pi 3 I found someone stating it took ~25 hours to complete tasks. They didn't mention how many tasks they were running at once but it is easy to calculate for each possibility.
Using method #2
If running 1 task (4w * 1500min)/60)/1 = 100Wh per MB task
If running 2 task (4w * 1500min)/60)/2 = 50Wh per MB task
If running 3 task (4w * 1500min)/60)/3 = 33.3Wh per MB task
If running 4 task (4w * 1500min)/60)/4 = 25Wh per MB task

Comparing that to my GTX 750ti FTW running 2 tasks at once in ~25 min & drawing up to 45w (according to GPUz).
Running 2 task (45w * 25min)/60)/2 = 9.375Wh per MB task
Even if I use the EVGA's TDP value for power usage
Running 2 task (85w * 25min)/60)/2 = 17.7Wh per MB task

For comparison some of my systems
i5-4670K with a TDP of 84W running 4 MB tasks at once in ~1h each.
(84w * 60min)/60)/4 = 21Wh per MB task
Celeron J1900 with a TDP of 10W running 4 MB tasks at once in ~6h each.
(10w * 360min)/60)/4 = 15Wh per MB task

This tells me. Even if the Raspberry Pi 3 is running 4 tasks at once in ~25 hours it is less efficient than an i5-4670K. Also that my Celeron J1900 is more efficient than I thought it was.
690) Message boards : Number crunching : "got 0 new tasks" - why so? (Message 1786016)
Posted 9 May 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Well, I guess my question then would be, has this limit been re-evaluated as time progresses and as the processing power of especially video cards has improved? I would think there would be a time, if we're not already seeing it happen, where systems would run out of tasks to process during the downtimes and relatively short outages. You can't expect to achieve the goals that were mentioned above while having enough WU's on hand to handle any possible outage of course, but as things become faster, possibly the limit might be raised enough to at least keep everyone full for the average period of time of normally planned outages?

Also, might it be possible to adjust the number of tasks on hand based upon either the detected video card (though I doubt that would work because I have systems with multiple different level - a 950 and 750 for example - cards in them, and it doesn't currently even detect those correctly) or probably even better just base it upon correctly completed work and how fast it's turnaround time is. That is info the server already has, and is processor/brand independent, just set it to a number that would be equal to the number 100 would have been when it was implemented. So if the 570/580 was the current hot card back when the 100 limit was put in place, maybe it would be 200 for the 1070/1080 (assuming those work properly out of the chute of course, and process them the same as current cards do, just a bit faster)? Or would even this be too difficult to put in place currently or in the reasonably near future?

The reason the limits were put in place had to do with the database server going belly up when there were to many Results out in the field. I want to say the tipping point was somewhere in the 11-14 million range. As far as I know that is unchanged. Implementing limits is the projects chosen solution for that problem. It also benefits users by having tasks validated soon.
There isn't really any advantage for the project to increase the limits. The data we are analyzing is not really time sensitive. A few times they had partially full shipments of drives sent up from Arecibo when we ran out of data to process. They generally try to accommodate as many hosts as possible, but catering to a handful of the few very fast hosts wouldn't really make sense.
I know some people will complain about having to wait a little while for more work once a week. It is apparently a huge inconvenience for them. I imagine they are the same kind of people that would complain if a blood drive told them they ran out of supplies to collect blood, or didn't have any more sugar cookies.

My personal preference for any changes to the limits would be to have CPUs have limited applied to them like GPUs. So multi socket systems would be treated like multi GPU systems. However I don't think BOINC even detects the number of CPUs in a system. Only the total number of processors (physical or virtual).
691) Message boards : Number crunching : GBT ('guppi') .vlar tasks will be send to GPUs, what you think about this? (Message 1785994)
Posted 9 May 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
It's still a way to go.

Before the current app can be considered for release to run as stock.

Before VLAR could be enabled on main, perhaps? Don't mix things up.

Yes indeed, and that keeps us on topic for this thread. I don't think that GBT VLARs should be sent to (NVidia) GPUs until we have an application ready to handle them, and I don't think we have such an application - either CUDA or OpenCL - yet.

So far, there has been enough non-VLAR work to keep my GPUs busy. My cache dives a bit now and again, but seems to recover well enough.
It should improve when Eric has the time to start splitting AP work from the Green Bank datasets, which he has indicated he will do.

As I recall one of the reason for MB v8 was to be able to accommodate data from sources other than Arecibo. So we will probably need a new AP app as well? I believe the only thing I have read so far was Eric mentioning there are plans to do AP for the GBT data as well.

Maybe they can get some summer inters to bang out the new splitter and base apps.
692) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (102) Server Problems? (Message 1785946)
Posted 8 May 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Drifting a little off topic maybe?

Yep :D, need to point to the keep on topic rules written nowhere though :D

I believe it is one of those unspoken, unless specifically mentioned, rules that we sometimes adhere to.

The current convo seems more appropriate for
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_forum.php?id=23
693) Message boards : Number crunching : "got 0 new tasks" - why so? (Message 1785937)
Posted 8 May 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Like Mark said,

It was to lighten the load, also to cut down on how many, people were hoarding. That way no one downloaded a thousand work unit that then time out.

But it didn't work like they wanted it to.

Instead of 100 per total GPUs and CPU it instead became 100 PER GPU and 100 PER CPU chip.

They never went back to fix it but hey, it's a good thing they didn't ;)

It was originally a fixed 100 CPU & 100 GPU. Then a change was made to the BOINC server code with the intention to allow the limits to apply be applied per GPU vendor (ATI, Intel, or Nvidia). As the then current limit could lead to resource starvation. If you had 1 ATI & 1 NVIDIA device you could hit your limit of tasks for only one device. Leaving the other to sit idle.
The first version of the change was a bit bugged & the limit was applied based on the total number of GPUs in the system. So if you has 1 ATI, 1 Intel, & 1 Nvidia you could have 300 GPU tasks for any 1 vendor. Instead of 100 for each separate vendor. Once the BOINC server code was working as intended correctly we were limited to 100 CPU tasks & 100 GPU * N Vendor GPUs.
So a system with 2 ATI, an iGPU, & 2 Nvidia would be limited to 600 total tasks.
100 CPU tasks
200 tasks shared across 2 ATI GPUs
100 tasks for the iGPU
200 tasks shared across 2 NVIDIA GPUs
694) Message boards : Number crunching : BOINC And Interference With Other Programs [ RESOLVED ] (Message 1785566)
Posted 7 May 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
It might be due to the high ratio of GBT data that generates VLARs. I've always noticed on my machines, that were CPU only, when all cores/threads were loaded with VLAR tasks the system would have noticeably lag. On the 12c/24t server I was running I had to limit the number of MB tasks. As 24 VLARs made the server unresponsive for the network users.

If there was a was to assigned a weighted value to VLARs I would set it ti 1.3-1.5 depending on the machine. So that fewer ran at once.

Greetings Hal,

Thanks. :)

I just looked at my WU cache a bit closer and a good 90% or more of it is GBT WUs. And they are all VLARs. I just wish we got more AP WUs than we do, I would go all AP then. Right now my PC would be sitting idle to much until more APs were split.

I guess I will just deal with the lag by shutting down BOINC when need be.

Thanks again! :)

Keep on BOINCing...! :)

You might want to look at using <exclusive_app> or <exclusive_gpu_app> in your cc_config.xml
695) Message boards : Number crunching : BOINC And Interference With Other Programs [ RESOLVED ] (Message 1785482)
Posted 7 May 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
It might be due to the high ratio of GBT data that generates VLARs. I've always noticed on my machines, that were CPU only, when all cores/threads were loaded with VLAR tasks the system would have noticeably lag. On the 12c/24t server I was running I had to limit the number of MB tasks. As 24 VLARs made the server unresponsive for the network users.

If there was a was to assigned a weighted value to VLARs I would set it ti 1.3-1.5 depending on the machine. So that fewer ran at once.


That's quite interesting effect of VLAR cause CPU, instead of GPU, has preemptive multitasking. Also, CPU SETI process (again, instead of GPU one) run at idle priority so will should be preemted virtually by everything.
So, if such process still can create noticeable lags it means OS thread scheduling mechanism unable to do its work right for some reason.
And most interesting that this inability depends from process' data (VLAR/non-VLAR).
The single entity that can have such data dependance that comes to mind is memory subsystem. VLAR can have noticeably different cache miss ratio than other datasets (another reason of slowdown on VLAR for modern GPUs that usually have cache but smaller than CPU one).
So, it seems in memory bus saturated scenario OS threading subsystem can't perform its task scheduling correctly (that is, to obey thread priorities).

BTW, what OS your 12c/24t server uses?

That machine was running Windows Server 2008 R2. The CPUs were a pair of Xeon E5645 with 3 4GB DIMMs per processor for 24GB total. I don't recall which app I was running on it, but it would have been AKv8c_r2549_winx86-64_AVXxjfs.exe or AKv8c_r2549_winx86-64_SSSE3xjfs.exe.
I've noticed lag issues on other systems as well when fulled loaded with VLARs. Such as when watching youtube videos in 1080p. Which was one of the reasons I had several of the systems I interacted with set to only run AP work. While systems I didn't use much would run only MB.

I believe someone mentioned at one point VLARs were more memory heavy compared to normal AR tasks. Perhaps that is due to the higher cache miss ratio you mentioned? So systems that already have high memory usage would likely see more noticeable effects?
696) Message boards : Number crunching : BOINC And Interference With Other Programs [ RESOLVED ] (Message 1785251)
Posted 6 May 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
It might be due to the high ratio of GBT data that generates VLARs. I've always noticed on my machines, that were CPU only, when all cores/threads were loaded with VLAR tasks the system would have noticeably lag. On the 12c/24t server I was running I had to limit the number of MB tasks. As 24 VLARs made the server unresponsive for the network users.

If there was a was to assigned a weighted value to VLARs I would set it ti 1.3-1.5 depending on the machine. So that fewer ran at once.
697) Message boards : Number crunching : Xeon Phi for BOINC? (Message 1785151)
Posted 6 May 2016 by Profile HAL9000
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I think someone on here had a Phi when they first launched but I'm not sure if they ever managed to do anything with it.

That Xeon Phi looks to have similar performance specs to my R9 390X. Plus we already have apps for GPUs.
698) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows 10 help (Message 1785089)
Posted 6 May 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
With Cosmic_Ocean list of updates to avoid I made a quick script that could be used to purge the undesired updates.

I highlighted the list, copied, pasted it into notepad, and then saved as bad_updates_list.txt in a folder where I planned to place the removal script.

Then made this simple batch file.
bad_updates_removal.bat
pushd %~dp0
FOR /F "tokens=2 delims= " %%a in ("bad_updates_list.txt") do start /wait wusa /uninstall /kb:%%a /norestart /quiet


Rather than tell the system to remove updates, even if they are not installed. I was shooting to use wmic qfe get hotfixid > updates_installed.txt then check if an update was installed and only run the command if it was found. But the FOR command doesn't seem to like reading the output file generated by wmic commands. I also tried wmic qfe get hotfixid /format:csv > updates_installed.csv. Both the updates_installed.txt & updates_installed.csv are human readable & excel can import them, but the FOR command just isn't having it right now.
699) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows 10 help (Message 1785083)
Posted 6 May 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
What behavior are you referring to? The fact that one of my machines is much faster and uninstalled the updates so fast I thought the /wait command wasn't working?


You said:

I wasn't sure if that was actually waiting when I tried it on my HTPC system. As when I would run start /wait wusa /uninstall /kb:2731771 /norestart /quiet it came back nearly immediately. I thought it might be running the removal process in the background. However running the same commands on an older system showed it did wait for the updates to be removed.


I read that you weren't sure in your first sentence. I read that you tried something in your second sentence, still implying uncertainty. You mentioned a hypothesis in your third sentence, then in your fourth sentence you added a "however", which suggested to me a contrary finding to your hypothesis. [Edited to add] I see now that the "however" was supposed to be confirmation of the removal, but I still read it as only working on the older system.

I saw nothing in your statements confirming it worked or that it was because it was so fast. You only mentioned that it was successful on older systems. Obviously I misread your post. Sorry about that.

Ah I see what was going on. I was rather confused. As I had thought I had explained the command was working as expected. Not that I was stating the command worked on one system and did not work on the other.
700) Message boards : Number crunching : Building a 32 thread xeon system doesn't need to cost a lot (Message 1785076)
Posted 6 May 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Fortunately or unfortunately depending on how you look at it, they are mostly Intel boards (Sturdy/stable, but feature poor), and the extent of their BIOS adjustments is pretty much setting the fan to either normal or aggressive. Nothing in the way of fine tuning there, and of course I set them to aggressive, since they are running 2-3 of 4 cores full bore 24x7 so I'd think the cooler the better.

One thing you probably never thought about, and neither did I till I was sitting there with Speedfan open and sort of daydreaming for a minute while configuring it. I noticed that one of the fans was running 3900 RPMs and I was thinking about longevity.

3900rpm x 60min x 24hours x 365days = over 2 Billion revolutions a year. Pretty amazing they don't self destruct sooner than they do when you think about it.

Oh well, I will keep using it for now, until I find some better software that controls the CPU fan. I wonder if HP has some utility that I can try tuning the fans with? I'll have to put that on the list to look into.

Yeah some motherboards don't have a lot in the way of fan configuration in the BIOS. Sometimes you don't even get Auto or Manual settings.

For CPU fans I generally don't run them run any faster than is needed. AS I found that the old way of running high volume fans at full tilt constantly really didn't accomplish anything. Other than making a lot of noise. Now I tend to go with low RPM high volume fans.
For the dual Xeon X5470 that I have half put together. Once I have the heatsinks mounted so they properly draw heat from the CPUs I'm planning to remove the fan from the CPU coolers. Then use either 2 140mm or 3 120mm fans to blow air across the MB. Possibly with a shroud, likely made from cardboard, to better channel the air over the bits that need cooling. Similar to the layout in 1U & 2U rack servers.
At the moment I am using several 120mm or 140mm NZXT fans in my systems. Which run 1200 RPM, 59 CFM, & 27 dBA at full tilt. They spend most of their time around 800 RPM. As that seems to be as slow as they operate.
701) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows 10 help (Message 1785058)
Posted 5 May 2016 by Profile HAL9000
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There's nothing wrong with just making a batch file that has ALL of the KBs on that list, since if it isn't installed, it will tell you "could not find update" and you just click OK.


If you don't want to have to click OK all the time for every update not found, you can always add /qb on your command line, which provides a "quiet/basic" UI (basic meaning just a progress bar). Or you can do /qn for "quiet/no UI" (no progress bar at all, completely silent).

Unfortunately those are not valid switches in Windows 7. There is only an option for /quiet. Which is the same as /qn in Windows 8.x.

Yes, adding /quiet does make it no interaction needed, but I have found that if you make a batch file with.. say.. 20 wusa commands with /quiet, you throw so much at the system all at once that it basically just gridlocks and does nothing. It doesn't freeze the system, just nothing happens.

You might need to add a timeout command ever few lines in that case. You could go for a more advanced script that uses something like wmic qfe list brief or wmic qfe get hotfixid to check if the update has been removed before continuing to the next.


You can also add START /WAIT "" ["command"] to make sure that each individual line is processed before the next.

I wasn't sure if that was actually waiting when I tried it on my HTPC system. As when I would run start /wait wusa /uninstall /kb:2731771 /norestart /quiet it came back nearly immediately. I thought it might be running the removal process in the background. However running the same commands on an older system showed it did wait for the updates to be removed.


Your command would have to be start /wait "" wusa /uninstall /kb:2731771 /norestart /quiet. The first parameter after any Start switches is the name of the new window (if we weren't doing a quiet script). The double quotes tells it to not give the new window a name. Alternatively you can enter a name for the window that won't show up, such as start /wait "Uninstall KB2731771" wusa /uninstall /kb:2731771 /norestart /quiet.


I believe the title attribute only applies when you are opening another command prompt or application that runs in a command line/console. When running a windowed app, like wusa, the title should be set by the application. http://i.imgur.com/mGsbj2E.png



You'd think so, but after much experimentation I've found that the title attribute is required, at least during scripting, therefore if you don't want to use a title, you should use the double quotes.

Try it. You'll see.

Odd I never use the title attribute in any of my scripts. Functionally title won't have any effect on applications or functions unless you have something specifically looking for a window with that title. I wouldn't mind seeing an example of where the title attribute is relevant or required when launching windows apps. However as displayed in the image I added previously it has no effect on the wusa application.


Agreed, it doesn't have any affect on the window title. I never claimed the title function was relevant. I simply said if you omit it, when scripting you need to include the double quotes for start /wait to work correctly, otherwise you will see the behavior you mentioned you saw previously: it doesn't actually uninstall anything and it doesn't work in the background.

Did you try it in a batch script and did you try it with /quiet?


What behavior are you referring to? The fact that one of my machines is much faster and uninstalled the updates so fast I thought the /wait command wasn't working? After I said it worked your statement was.
Your command would have to be start /wait "" wusa /uninstall /kb:2731771 /norestart /quiet.

Can you explain why my command would have to be that?

There were 6 updates I removed from the IE 11 install. Which I tossed in a .bat.
Installing IE 11 again and removing the updates works exactly the same if start /wait wusa or start /wait "" wusa is used in the .bat
702) Message boards : Number crunching : Building a 32 thread xeon system doesn't need to cost a lot (Message 1785028)
Posted 5 May 2016 by Profile HAL9000
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Hal, the only reason I'm actually using Speedfan is to control the speeds of the fans other than the GPU. If you have a suggestion of a better piece of software out there to do that, please let me know, as it certainly isn't the most user friendly, at least in terms of auto starting and coming back to the same settings you left it at, like Precision X 16 does.

I normally configure the fans in the BIOS. On some of my systems I am using Gigabytes EasyTune, but I suspect it may only work on their motherboards.
703) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows 10 help (Message 1785010)
Posted 5 May 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
There's nothing wrong with just making a batch file that has ALL of the KBs on that list, since if it isn't installed, it will tell you "could not find update" and you just click OK.


If you don't want to have to click OK all the time for every update not found, you can always add /qb on your command line, which provides a "quiet/basic" UI (basic meaning just a progress bar). Or you can do /qn for "quiet/no UI" (no progress bar at all, completely silent).

Unfortunately those are not valid switches in Windows 7. There is only an option for /quiet. Which is the same as /qn in Windows 8.x.

Yes, adding /quiet does make it no interaction needed, but I have found that if you make a batch file with.. say.. 20 wusa commands with /quiet, you throw so much at the system all at once that it basically just gridlocks and does nothing. It doesn't freeze the system, just nothing happens.

You might need to add a timeout command ever few lines in that case. You could go for a more advanced script that uses something like wmic qfe list brief or wmic qfe get hotfixid to check if the update has been removed before continuing to the next.


You can also add START /WAIT "" ["command"] to make sure that each individual line is processed before the next.

I wasn't sure if that was actually waiting when I tried it on my HTPC system. As when I would run start /wait wusa /uninstall /kb:2731771 /norestart /quiet it came back nearly immediately. I thought it might be running the removal process in the background. However running the same commands on an older system showed it did wait for the updates to be removed.


Your command would have to be start /wait "" wusa /uninstall /kb:2731771 /norestart /quiet. The first parameter after any Start switches is the name of the new window (if we weren't doing a quiet script). The double quotes tells it to not give the new window a name. Alternatively you can enter a name for the window that won't show up, such as start /wait "Uninstall KB2731771" wusa /uninstall /kb:2731771 /norestart /quiet.


I believe the title attribute only applies when you are opening another command prompt or application that runs in a command line/console. When running a windowed app, like wusa, the title should be set by the application. http://i.imgur.com/mGsbj2E.png



You'd think so, but after much experimentation I've found that the title attribute is required, at least during scripting, therefore if you don't want to use a title, you should use the double quotes.

Try it. You'll see.

Odd I never use the title attribute in any of my scripts. Functionally title won't have any effect on applications or functions unless you have something specifically looking for a window with that title. I wouldn't mind seeing an example of where the title attribute is relevant or required when launching windows apps. However as displayed in the image I added previously it has no effect on the wusa application.
704) Message boards : Number crunching : Building a 32 thread xeon system doesn't need to cost a lot (Message 1784992)
Posted 5 May 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Jim, I have both Coretemp64 and Speedfan running on this system, have all the fans cranked up to 11(!), and am not very impressed with HP's extremely expensive (for what it appears you get) CPU coolers. Maybe the AS5 thermal paste needs to set up a little, but in core temp, they are running at 71-77* on both procs. This seems quite high to me, compared to other systems I have running, but to be honest, this is the only one in a case, the rest are just boards on trays out in the open. Oh, one other thing I should add, Speedfan and Coretemp don't agree on the CPU temps, Coretemp is giving the 70* readings on the cores, Speedfan only lists one temp, about 55* but doesn't break it out per CPU/core like Coretemp does, so I guess I don't know what to believe...

Almost all the systems/boards I've recently built have aftermarket cooling, mostly Megahelms with Noctua fans on all the quad cores (with a few that had OEM Intels on them when I bought them, and haven't bothered to remove them, they seem adequate though I find not nearly as effective as the aftermarket ones I use), water cooled H110 on the i7, and Noctua Xeon cooler and fans on the first dual X5690 I built. This Z600 system has the stock HP parts, the matching 2nd one for proc #2 was $60, and they don't cool within 15* of the other systems, and considering this is a bit lower clocked 6 core, I expected less heat, or at least no more than the fire breather X5690...

What are your temps in your Z600 running, are they comparable, or a bit more 'normal'? Thanks for any suggestions!

Sounds like Speedfan is only reading the case/package temp. I haven't used Speedfan in many years as it just seems rather clunky to me.
Two other apps you might want to have a look at are:
HWMonitor from the people that make CPUz
http://www.cpuid.com/softwares/hwmonitor.html
HWInfo
http://www.hwinfo.com/
Both are available in portable versions so you don't have to mess around with installing them on each machines. You can just download, decompress, and copy to each system across the network.
705) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows 10 help (Message 1784989)
Posted 5 May 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
There's nothing wrong with just making a batch file that has ALL of the KBs on that list, since if it isn't installed, it will tell you "could not find update" and you just click OK.


If you don't want to have to click OK all the time for every update not found, you can always add /qb on your command line, which provides a "quiet/basic" UI (basic meaning just a progress bar). Or you can do /qn for "quiet/no UI" (no progress bar at all, completely silent).

Unfortunately those are not valid switches in Windows 7. There is only an option for /quiet. Which is the same as /qn in Windows 8.x.

Yes, adding /quiet does make it no interaction needed, but I have found that if you make a batch file with.. say.. 20 wusa commands with /quiet, you throw so much at the system all at once that it basically just gridlocks and does nothing. It doesn't freeze the system, just nothing happens.

You might need to add a timeout command ever few lines in that case. You could go for a more advanced script that uses something like wmic qfe list brief or wmic qfe get hotfixid to check if the update has been removed before continuing to the next.


You can also add START /WAIT "" ["command"] to make sure that each individual line is processed before the next.

I wasn't sure if that was actually waiting when I tried it on my HTPC system. As when I would run start /wait wusa /uninstall /kb:2731771 /norestart /quiet it came back nearly immediately. I thought it might be running the removal process in the background. However running the same commands on an older system showed it did wait for the updates to be removed.


Your command would have to be start /wait "" wusa /uninstall /kb:2731771 /norestart /quiet. The first parameter after any Start switches is the name of the new window (if we weren't doing a quiet script). The double quotes tells it to not give the new window a name. Alternatively you can enter a name for the window that won't show up, such as start /wait "Uninstall KB2731771" wusa /uninstall /kb:2731771 /norestart /quiet.


I believe the title attribute only applies when you are opening another command prompt or application that runs in a command line/console. When running a windowed app, like wusa, the title should be set by the application. http://i.imgur.com/mGsbj2E.png
706) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows 10 help (Message 1784839)
Posted 5 May 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
There's nothing wrong with just making a batch file that has ALL of the KBs on that list, since if it isn't installed, it will tell you "could not find update" and you just click OK.


If you don't want to have to click OK all the time for every update not found, you can always add /qb on your command line, which provides a "quiet/basic" UI (basic meaning just a progress bar). Or you can do /qn for "quiet/no UI" (no progress bar at all, completely silent).

Unfortunately those are not valid switches in Windows 7. There is only an option for /quiet. Which is the same as /qn in Windows 8.x.

Yes, adding /quiet does make it no interaction needed, but I have found that if you make a batch file with.. say.. 20 wusa commands with /quiet, you throw so much at the system all at once that it basically just gridlocks and does nothing. It doesn't freeze the system, just nothing happens.

You might need to add a timeout command ever few lines in that case. You could go for a more advanced script that uses something like wmic qfe list brief or wmic qfe get hotfixid to check if the update has been removed before continuing to the next.


You can also add START /WAIT "" ["command"] to make sure that each individual line is processed before the next.

I wasn't sure if that was actually waiting when I tried it on my HTPC system. As when I would run start /wait wusa /uninstall /kb:2731771 /norestart /quiet it came back nearly immediately. I thought it might be running the removal process in the background. However running the same commands on an older system showed it did wait for the updates to be removed.

There were several "required" updates that IE installed when I was testing to see if updating IE 9 to 11 solved an issue I was having. Turns out it didn't help. There are just some emoji characters I am just destined to never see while using Windows 7.
707) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows 10 help (Message 1784798)
Posted 4 May 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
There's nothing wrong with just making a batch file that has ALL of the KBs on that list, since if it isn't installed, it will tell you "could not find update" and you just click OK.


If you don't want to have to click OK all the time for every update not found, you can always add /qb on your command line, which provides a "quiet/basic" UI (basic meaning just a progress bar). Or you can do /qn for "quiet/no UI" (no progress bar at all, completely silent).

Unfortunately those are not valid switches in Windows 7. There is only an option for /quiet. Which is the same as /qn in Windows 8.x.

Yes, adding /quiet does make it no interaction needed, but I have found that if you make a batch file with.. say.. 20 wusa commands with /quiet, you throw so much at the system all at once that it basically just gridlocks and does nothing. It doesn't freeze the system, just nothing happens.

You might need to add a timeout command ever few lines in that case. You could go for a more advanced script that uses something like wmic qfe list brief or wmic qfe get hotfixid to check if the update has been removed before continuing to the next.
708) Message boards : Number crunching : GPU's are so yesterday... (Message 1784748)
Posted 4 May 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
New Ideas are great, and quantum computing looks like a thing, but that page looked like Apple/M$ marketing vomit.

Did the experts ever agree that the quantum computers were actually working as they were intended & not just doing normal operations faster than expected?
709) Message boards : Number crunching : Thoughts on this card, Deal or more likely Crapshoot? (Message 1784746)
Posted 4 May 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Yeah, I kind of thought that, the biggest clue was the power connectors, and 192 vs 256 bit. Well, if nothing else and it is about the same perf as a 750, I guess I'm not out anything, other than maybe the warranty, etc. Life's an adventure, right!?! :-) Maybe I'll pull the cover off of one of them and see just exactly what we've got under the skin. That may tell us a few things, though from the my experience from buying things from china, and what the listing states, it will be between 2-4 weeks before I find out.

I'm pretty sure this is what you are actually getting.
http://www.geforce.com/hardware/desktop-gpus/geforce-gtx-760-oem/specifications
As it is the only 192-bit GPU Nvidia made in the 700 series. 1896 GFLOPS & 130W at stock speed. If you can get them to run 869MHz it'd run 2002 GFLOPS & $100 for a 2 TFLOPS GPU is pretty good.
710) Message boards : Number crunching : account tasks incorrect (Message 1784742)
Posted 4 May 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
So how do I remove the 100 "ghosts"?

I'm almost done with the 37 I actually have.

You don't do anything.
When the Resend lost tasks feature is off: The system will mark them as timed out and send them to someone else.
When the Resend lost tasks feature is on: The tasks are sent to your host on the next work request.

Currently SETI@home has the Resend lost tasks feature off. As it wreaks havoc with the database server and brings the project to its knees.
711) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows 10 help (Message 1784627)
Posted 4 May 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
There's nothing wrong with just making a batch file that has ALL of the KBs on that list, since if it isn't installed, it will tell you "could not find update" and you just click OK.


If you don't want to have to click OK all the time for every update not found, you can always add /qb on your command line, which provides a "quiet/basic" UI (basic meaning just a progress bar). Or you can do /qn for "quiet/no UI" (no progress bar at all, completely silent).

Unfortunately those are not valid switches in Windows 7. There is only an option for /quiet. Which is the same as /qn in Windows 8.x.
712) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows 10 help (Message 1784610)
Posted 4 May 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
And also.. it's a little more involved, but don't forget about my handy list of updates to avoid.

You can either go through and search for the KB number in 'installed updates', or pull up an administrative command prompt and do
wusa /uninstall /kb:3035583 /norestart

..for every update that applies to your OS (7 or 8.1). Which will mean either all the blue and green updates, or all the red and green ones. There's nothing wrong with just making a batch file that has ALL of the KBs on that list, since if it isn't installed, it will tell you "could not find update" and you just click OK. I have found better luck if you go in reverse order for that list when removing them.

There are two caveats with this. 1) after removing all of them and rebooting afterward, the next check for updates will end up having a lot of them come back again. If you have your update settings set for "automatic download and install," you're just wasting your time by removing them. You should set it to "check for updates, but let me choose what to download and install" so that you have some control over which ones do and don't get installed. The ones in the avoid list.. right-click > hide update. Quite a few of them like to be re-re-re-re-re-released, so they'll keep showing back up every couple of weeks.

2) If you have 4GB or less RAM.. you'll end up with problems checking for updates because the system runs out of memory. The memory leak was fixed in 3102810/3102812, but personally, I don't trust any of the new update clients that were released after the public release of 10, simply because there have been a few instances where it has been proven that the new update clients will go behind your back and grab all the needed updates to upgrade to 10.. without your consent, nor telling you that it is doing so. I personally don't trust that update pair, but in the end, that's entirely your choice.

I had a VM running Windows 7 were I enabled auto updates and just left it to see what would happen. I only just checked on it this weekend and found it to be running Windows 10. I installed the OS, activated it, set the power settings so it wouldn't sleep, made a snapshot, and enabled auto updates. Then left it to do whatever for a few months.
So unless one of my kitties figured out how to log into my VMware server the update was done with no user interaction.
713) Message boards : Number crunching : Building a 32 thread xeon system doesn't need to cost a lot (Message 1784043)
Posted 1 May 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hal, thanks for the advice, I will look into both the adapters I'd need to pull this off, and those cards you linked to. So this pretty much limits me to a single powered GPU, plus another like the bottom end 950 or 750.

Maybe it's because it is is the Z600, which is the little brother to the Z800, and has available a 1100w PSU. I have never seen the inside of that one, but I'm pretty sure that they have more GPU power options available, otherwise, why bother, eh? ;-)

It might be worth checking to see if the Z600 & Z800 use the same PSU design. You might be able to swap in the 850w or the 1100w PSU from a Z800.

EDIT: Scratch that. I just has a closer look at the images for both.
714) Message boards : Number crunching : Building a 32 thread xeon system doesn't need to cost a lot (Message 1784026)
Posted 1 May 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Checked out that list, wow, that one's going to be going bye-bye. So, next question, off the top of your heads, do you have an opinion of what the fastest 6 pin GPU would be? It can be a 600 or 700 series, as well as the 900, though I believe the connector on my GTX950 dual fan model is a single 8 pin, so that would take an adapter I mentioned earlier. I'd like to turn this one up a notch from the standard builds I have been doing with the 750/950s that I have, but I know that the single 6 pin is going to be my limitation. Thanks for your thoughts/opinions.

You may be limited by the PSU in that system. However doing a quick check looks like those workstations came with a 650w 80Plus Bronze PSU. So you might just be OK.
A PCIe x16 slot, by spec, should provide 75w. Note: Sometimes motherboards are not designed to actually accommodate this to save money.
A 6-pin PCIe connector is rated for 75w & an 8-pin PCIe connector is rated for 150w.

So with a single 6-pin connector that would limit you to a GPU under 150w. On paper a GTX 970 is 145w, but all of the 970's I've come across have either an 8-pin or 8-pin + 6-pin connector. Some GTX 960's do have a single 6-pin connector. So that kind of limits your options in the 900 series without using any adapters.

If you wanted to go with adapters a GTX 980, 165w, with 2 6-pin connectors might be a good option. Like the 04G-P4-2981-KR or 04G-P4-2983-KR.
715) Message boards : Number crunching : Building a 32 thread xeon system doesn't need to cost a lot (Message 1783981)
Posted 1 May 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

My experience is per machine, not per CPU, at least on my HP Z600, which has 2x Xeon E5620's. I get 100 ea. for two GPUs, and 100 for both CPUs. Unfortunate.

FWIW, HP Z600s have been going pretty cheap on eBay lately. Mine was ~$285 with the above CPUs, 12 gb ram, a 128gb SSD, a 1tb HDD and Win7x64 pro installed and licensed. Room for 2x x16 dual slot GPUs. Pretty good way to get into the multi-CPU game with a turn-key solution.

Well Jim, your experience with the Z600 piqued my interest, so I happened across one on fleabay a week or so ago for what seemed like a very reasonable price. It came with a single Intel Xeon E5649 2.53GHz SLBZ8 12MB 5.86 GT/s LGA1366 6-Core Processor, so I went out and found a 2nd one for about $50 and the standard, not high performance version of the HP OEM cooler for another 60 or so. I installed it the other day, and was looking at the wiring inside there, in terms of video card capabilities, and noticed that it only had a single 6 pin power connector for the video off of the PSU, though there is a 2nd power cord for SATA or IDE HD's that could be used with an adapter to I believe make a 2nd 6 pin, but not sure if it's configured correctly, as those usually use 2 different cables from the PSU, and this one would be using 2 connectors on one cable, since that's all there is in there.

I was a little suprised, as I'd have thought that being a workstation, it would be setup for installing a couple high horsepower GPU's into it. This one came with an Nvidia Quadro FX1800 in it, which has no power connectors, so would I be correct in presuming that it is a very low end card?

Other than putting in whatever the fastest GPU that has a single 6 pin connector along with a 2nd card that doesn't require any external power, what is a person to do for Moar Power? lol Or, is it just "it is what it is"? Thanks, this should be interesting.

*edit* Do Quadro's even work with BOINC & SETI?

List of Nvidia graphics processing units
716) Message boards : Number crunching : Can I further optimize multiple GPU calculations? (Message 1783506)
Posted 29 Apr 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Raistmer, guys, after a few years of having it sit on the shelf while waiting for the prices of the processors I wanted to become more 'reasonable', I finally got the $ together and bought the ones I had planned to use since the beginning. It is an EVGA SR-2, with a pair of X5690 CPU's, (currently with, for testing purposes) 3 GTX950's and a GTX750 with 48 gb of RAM running on a pair of Intel 480Gb SSD's in a RAID 1 config. The system is ID: 7990258 - CrunchMonster.

I spent much of yesterday building, loading, configuring and updating it, and finally early this morning turned on the spigot and let the WU's flow! Just before that I spent a bit of time reading the current posts on how to configure this to provide the most efficient crunching and utilize the hardware optimally, including Can I further optimize multiple GPU calculations? and my post Getting back into it, advice appreciated, as well as this one.

I have set it to <count>0.5, and set the <avg_ncpus>0.35</avg_ncpus> and <max_ncpus>0.35</max_ncpus>, and was reading about polling as well, though haven't implimented it yet, don't want to change too much at once, before consulting the Oracle (the brain trust here on the forum!).

As currently configured, it is running 24 CPU tasks, which I am sad to say seem to be averaging over 3 hours, which if I remember correctly is Much, Much longer than my CAD system I just built (ID: 7949285 Zoom-PC). Taking a quick look at that one, it appears that GPU tasks have a Run time (sec) averaging 750-1500 and the CPU time (sec) of 175-320 and the CPU tasks Run time is 5400-5700 and CPU time 5100-5500 (with a few in the 7500 range).

For the new system, (so far, as only 21 have validated as I write this) GPU tasks average Run time 1500-2500 & CPU time of 460-680, and CPU tasks Run time 11,000-12,500 CPU time of 9,700-10300! I know there is a few gen difference between the CPU's, and also between the 980's/970 in the former and the 950's/750 in the latter, but it seems that there might be something more at play here? Could someone with better insight than I take a look at them and see if there is anything that might stand out as a configuration Gotcha that I can adjust to help optimize this new one for a little better performance? The video cards are slightly O/C'd (around 10%), otherwise everything else is currently running stock.

Thanks again, guys!

Looking at your host 7990258. You may want to reduce the number of CPU tasks. When I was running a dual Xeon E5645 system I found 20 threads of MB ran much better than 24. When we had a lot of VLARs running 24 of them at once made the system less responsive. That should also help your GPUs. As their CPU time seems high to me.

Currently with my 750 ti I am only using processpriority = high in my mbcuda.cfg. I did try pfblockspersm = 8 pfperiodsperlaunch = 200, but found those values were slower than default in my configuration. I figured I might giving the -polling option a try next to see how it fairs.
717) Message boards : Number crunching : not able to add Seti@home to my BOINC (Message 1783494)
Posted 29 Apr 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
That makes perfect sense - by default a firewall should prevent programs access the outside world.

And the default firewall setting it to notify users that a program needs accesses and add it if they wish.
718) Message boards : Number crunching : Task Preference Not Being Honored (Message 1783491)
Posted 29 Apr 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have the exact same preferences and aside from some messages about no work when there are only vlar, no problems really to fill my cache. So it does work.

Perhaps the feeder was just empty or filled with VLARs for all of their previous requests.
719) Message boards : Number crunching : not able to add Seti@home to my BOINC (Message 1783291)
Posted 28 Apr 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
2016-04-28 8:36:46 AM | | Fetching configuration file from http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/get_project_config.php
2016-04-28 8:36:58 AM | | Project communication failed: attempting access to reference site
2016-04-28 8:37:00 AM | | Internet access OK - project servers may be temporarily down.


I have been trying for weeks! any thoughts?

Can you open that page on the machine that is reporting the message?
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/get_project_config.php

If not does http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/ open on that machine?
720) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows 10 - Yea or Nay? (Message 1783106)
Posted 28 Apr 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
http://www.pcworld.com/article/3028541/privacy/tired-of-telemarketers-now-you-can-turn-the-tables-on-them-with-this-clever-bot.html

http://www.pcworld.com/article/206972/How_to_Sue_Telemarketers_and_Win.html

Every now and then I will get a robocall, but since I have my number registered with https://www.donotcall.gov/. I just report the number when I do get one.

You do know that there are some call centers that purchase the do not call list as a list of numbers to call. Mostly the ones that are offshore and thus don't have to obey the list.

Of course they do. It's they same thing teens did in the 90's with the apps that blocked the "naughty sites". Where they would d/l the software to get a list of sites to go to.
The legitimate call centers are normally not the problem anyway, but the last call I revived was from one. Last year there was some kind of vote going on regarding something with electric utility providers. However I didn't have a clue about the issue as my mobile number is from a state where I have not lived in over 10 years. Mobile lines, unlike land lines, are not permitted to have political robocalls.
When I still had a land line I would answer calls that had no Caller ID info like a business. "Thank you for calling XYZ corp. How may I direct your call?" The phone system had different voicemail boxes. So I had my sister record a greeting directing callers to "Press 1 for dept A, 2 for dept B" and so on. It resulted in some rather amusing messages, My favorite was someone calling about a job because their cousin worked there.
721) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows 10 - Yea or Nay? (Message 1783060)
Posted 28 Apr 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
http://www.pcworld.com/article/3028541/privacy/tired-of-telemarketers-now-you-can-turn-the-tables-on-them-with-this-clever-bot.html

http://www.pcworld.com/article/206972/How_to_Sue_Telemarketers_and_Win.html

Every now and then I will get a robocall, but since I have my number registered with https://www.donotcall.gov/. I just report the number when I do get one.
722) Message boards : Number crunching : Bitcoin Utopia (Message 1782821)
Posted 27 Apr 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I think I mentioned it on the BCU fora after the first SETI@home campaign ended.
I thought it would be nice to have either a yearly or quarterly SETI@home campaign going.
I'm not sure why there hasn't been other one since the first. It could be lack of time for the admins to manage whatever is required for a BCU campaign, or it could be a political issue from the campus.
723) Message boards : Number crunching : Lunatics Help (Message 1782819)
Posted 27 Apr 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Does anyone know if there is a way to prevent Astropulse from running on the cpu and only run on the gpu?

Thanks,

Allen



. . I am only a rank beginner but if you run Lunatics and in the setup select Astropulse only for the GPU and not in the CPU section that should do it. Otherwise there is the app_config.xml or app_info.xml files. I have been warned not to fiddle with app_info.xml unless you are very sure of what you are doing, so app_config.xml might be your best bet.


. . HAL 9000 kindly provided this example :




Here are some examples of app_config.xml settings.
Running 1 task per GPU & reserving 1 CPU core per GPU task.
<app>
<name>setiathome_v8</name>
<gpu_versions>
<gpu_usage>1.0</gpu_usage>
<cpu_usage>1.0</cpu_usage>
</gpu_versions>
</app>
For a system with 1 GPUs: 1 GPU tasks would run & 1 CPU cores would be reserved.
For a system with 2 GPUs: 2 GPU tasks would run & 2 CPU cores would be reserved.



. . These are for the GPU tasks but I think if you use the

<cpu_versions>

</cpu-version>

. . as brackets it will relate to what the CPU handles. But use the application name for the Astropulse not Seti@homeV8

. . Something like this ....

<app_version>
<app_name>astropulse_v7</app_name>
<cpu_versions>
<avg_ncpus>0.0</avg_ncpus>
</cpu_versions>
</app_version>

. . If I have that wrong hopefully somebody will correct me.

You might want to have a look at the app_config.xml documentation again. <cpu_versions> is not a valid option.

The easiest way to select which apps run on specific devices is to select them in the lunatics installer.


If Astropulse is unchecked while selecting CPU apps then an app_info.xml will be built without a CPU Astropulse app. The same goes for GPU apps. Select everything you want the device to run.
In the image I provided only AP was selected for the GPUs. If you wish to run MB apps on the GPU then you would need to select MB & AP applications for the GPU. As the installer is going to build a new app_info.xml instead of modifying your current one.
724) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (102) Server Problems? (Message 1782678)
Posted 26 Apr 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I looked at your last AP and it shows the clock rate as 1019, which is about where it should be. I then went to the same time frame as that AP and found the cuda tasks around a "normal" clock rate. Looking ahead and backwards from that point it appears that when the machine is restarted it uses a Different clock rate. It will use that rate until it is again restarted. I looked at other 780s and noticed their rate was pretty consistent. So, the question is what is changing your clock rate after a reboot?

Looking as far back as possible it seems it was working fine with Version 8 CUDA;
Received 29 Feb 2016, 16:04:27 UTC, GPU current clockRate = 1123 MHz
1123/24 seems to be a consistent rate on a few machines.
This is where the trouble begins, Received 19 Apr 2016, 3:23:31 UTC, GPU current clockRate = 1215 MHz
That task began as 1123 and after a restart it was 1215.
It continued as 1215 until it was restarted here at 1097;
Received 21 Apr 2016, 19:35:13 UTC, GPU current clockRate = 1097 MHz
Then it worked fine until it was restarted here, https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/result.php?resultid=4879467266
Until the next restart it was bad news while clocked at 1201, https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/result.php?resultid=4879629574
Here it was restarted at 1136, https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/result.php?resultid=4883014586


now here is something i can go on ....
Indeed it is quiet weird why it would do that ...i wonder if precision is going heywire ... i checked everything kboost oberboost overvoltage etc everything is off and at default exept the fan it is running at 100% i'm gonna reboot it a couple times and see if that changes it and actually do a couple turn on then shutdown pull power from it and reinstall a clean driver

@Jason_gee
The early titan cards are based on the 780 chip so i bet if you get a good one you could ...gotta look at the asic

Based on the figures others have posted & what I am seeing with my 750 ti FTW running well over the spec'd clock rate. I would have to guess that EVGA has not implemented a clock cap for the boost. Likely only being throttled by thermal and voltage limits.
While my 750ti FTW is running at 1345MHz GPUz reports "GPU performance is being limited due to insufficient voltage". If you have a tool that allows you to adjust the voltage you could try lowering it until the clock is closer to the value in the specs.
725) Message boards : Number crunching : Lunatics Help (Message 1782669)
Posted 26 Apr 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I read the manual, they made a setup GUI since I installed it.

There are 2 important files:

remote_hosts.cfg .... put in the IP of the computer(s) you want to allow control

gui_rpc_auth.cofig .... put in a password

EDIT: and restart BOINC

For LAN connections I use the cc_config.xml option <allow_remote_gui_rpc> rather than using the remote_hosts.cfg.
726) Message boards : Number crunching : Average Credit Decreasing? (Message 1782427)
Posted 25 Apr 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Seems like over the last couple of days, my RAC has stabilized (on one machine) and even increased for two days (on the other), after falling for several days on both.

Is this just a fluke, or is the worst over?


I predict oscillation with work mix, around +/- 37% of some approximate midpoint. As oscillation instabilities work, some hosts will stay on the low side, and others stay on the high side of that, 5% in each end case never crossing the middle over extended periods, and the other 90% of us flopping around.

Prior to v8 & GBT work I a RAC oscillation of +/- 25-30% was not uncommon on some of my machines. The CPU only machines had a tendency to wiggle the least.
727) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (102) Server Problems? (Message 1782409)
Posted 25 Apr 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
It appears that the boys in the lab have done something to prevent downloads of (Nvidia) GPU WUs. If not all, then at least the GB ones and there are none available from Arecibo. Downloads have been working normal for me so I do not think I have done anything to prevent them from downloading. I have currently 100 CPU WUs in progress but only 80 GPU WUs despite asking for them.


Edit: Guess I called a "no hitter". Just received a couple of guppi GPU WUs. Not sure why they do not seem to be available in quantity though.

As we know VLAR tasks are not sent to GPUs. GBT data is expected to be mostly VLARs. If we are on a data sets from Arecibo that generate mostly VLARs as well. Then there will be few tasks for GPUs.
728) Message boards : Number crunching : Something's happenin' here, what it is ain't exactly clear.. (Message 1782250)
Posted 25 Apr 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Gotcha, crunching away! Thanks for the quick reply.

We don't know what tasks are overflows until we try to crunch them. At least they go quickly.
729) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (102) Server Problems? (Message 1782245)
Posted 25 Apr 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
All i can tell you is that none of the cards are overclocked they all on default


Something's odd then.

The defaults for the reference GTX780 are
Base clock: 863MHz
Boost clock: 900 MHz

The EVGA 780 SC being a factory overclock are
Base Clock: 967 MHZ
Boost Clock: 1020 MHz

So something has boosted your clock speed if it is running at 1201 MHz
PrecisionX settings? PCIe bus overclock?

EDIT-
Beaten by TBar.
What does GPUz have to say?

The GTX 750 Ti FTW I have does some kind of self overclocking. It is meant to run at 1189MHz and have a boost of 1268MHz. However once the SETI@home app starts it clocks up from 300MHz to 1189MHz. Then a few seconds later goes to 1345MHz and stays there. Since it hasn't spit out any errors yet I haven't worried about it.

The host is a new install of Win7 & only has BOINC, the Nvidia driver, & monitoring apps, like CPUz/GPUz, on it
730) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (102) Server Problems? (Message 1782105)
Posted 24 Apr 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Yea my overflows have definitely increased significantly :(

I would rather be re-crunching the 2010 MB data than proving that the GBT data process needs work.

I would say to limit 1 GBT file at a time until they figure the problems out, because it really looks like we will have to re-crunch them again.

Well, either the *MESSIER031* tasks are broken, or they have found a radio transmission from a very old rock consert, from some planet in the Andromeda galaxy :-)

These *MESSIER031* tasks are truly noisy as a rock concert.

The nature of the data we see from GBT could be much different from that we have typically seen from Arecibo.

It could be that something is causing the applications to trip up & consider the data to be noisy.
Or we might be looking at data from pulsar observations.

Out of the tasks I am seeing on my 750ti about 2/3 result in an overflow. Is that a lot? I don't know. ¯\_(º¿º)_/¯ Many of them are coming up valid against stock CPU apps & not just other GPU apps. So that gives me a feeling that they are legitimate overflows. Unless as I said there is an error in the apps, but I feel something that major would likely have been found at Beta.
731) Message boards : Number crunching : Average Credit Decreasing? (Message 1781950)
Posted 24 Apr 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Dr. Anderson USUSALLY only responds when you can prove that one plus one does NOT any longer equal two plus or minus ten digits either way.
The outcome creditwise usually does not concern him much because credits are not a scientific matter, and are naturally not part of his response curve.
So somebody complaining that credits....HIS credit system....are broken naturally just slide off of his back into nowhere land.

It has to take a LANDSLIDE of massively wrong (or correct, in this case) information to sway the man one way or another.
We all have to continue to speak up for justice in this matter until the ship is righted.

Meow.

One issue that software faces is how people perceive how it should work. Even if CreditNew is working 100% as designed it is perceived as broken.
As credit is a means to determine performance, or contribution, to a project it seems counter intuitive to me for that to be highly variable. If I configure a machine to run a project a fixed amount of time a day. It would be 1 hour a day or 24/7. It makes logical sense that it should be contributing a fairly constant amount of processing power and by extension generate a fairly constant credit value.
It make it hard to figure out what is going on when the reference isn't a consistent value.
732) Message boards : Number crunching : GPU WU crunching (Message 1781581)
Posted 23 Apr 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Forget about Core(TM)2 procs...they don't have intelHD!

write which intelHD xxxx you have in i3 or i5 proc?!

The i3-2350M has Intel HD Graphics 3000. As I mentioned earlier in this thread it is to old to support OpenCL.
733) Message boards : Number crunching : Average Credit Decreasing? (Message 1781580)
Posted 23 Apr 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
If that happens, then will we get credit for not crunching?? lol..

Dunno.
As much as I love the project and crunch hard for it, I am not completely sure if there was not SOME recognition given what would happen.

Meow.


I would trade all my Cobblestones for cleaned up adaptive estimates. That would give me a reliable way to monitor and compare machines, apps, devices, users, etc, and clean up the forums a lot, lol

I would give a lot to see the Boinc credit system somehow equalized amongst all Boinc projects, thereby forcing users to select their project based upon the project's merit, and not based upon the number of credits they can crow about.
I realize that given the different nature of work issued by different projects, this would be extremely difficult, if not impossible.
But stopping some projects from issuing credits at their whim might find them less interesting to the credit whore crunchers. And maybe some of the more scientifically significant ones, such as Seti, would see a rise in popularity.

Out of all the projects I have crunched for it seems most of them go with a fixed amount of credit for their tasks. Those projects also tend to have rather uniform work as well.
Some projects also seem to utilize the processing hardware more than others. So having an adjusted credit value to reflect that seems appropriate. As they are getting more work done. But when I see I can use a single GPU on a project and see it, in a single day, generate 24,000, 600,000, or 5,000,000 credit on different projects. Then something defiantly seems wonky.
734) Message boards : Number crunching : Average Credit Decreasing? (Message 1781575)
Posted 23 Apr 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Negative credit is not far away now. The more we crunch the less credit we will get. Each day crunching will take away credit from our total credit :-)

CreditNew what a wonderful invention.

Actually we already had negative credit granted when CreditNew first rolled out.
735) Message boards : Number crunching : Lunatics Help (Message 1780813)
Posted 20 Apr 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I don't see the details of processing portion of the debug as indicated in the cc_config.xml notes.

I'd parse that at "Show details of (processing and network) suspend/resume.", but I'd agree processing is missing - and that's the one we wanted.

I remember there being some discussion about NCI projects in the mailing lists, and I think that there was an eventual decision that they should continue even if notionally suspended. Not a big deal either way.

Certainly seems like we have some digging to do. For the record, which BOINC version is running on the host you were testing - you have several different ones in play.

There isn't a lot to parse from that output. Just [suspend] net_susp: no; file_xfer_susp: no; reason: unknown reason every second.

I could see requesting work while processing activity is suspended in order to fill the cache to be acceptable.

That was done with 7.6.23 on host 5837483. Also, for clarity, it is the boinc_7.6.23_windows_x86_64.exe release on the BOINC dl site rather than Ageless's 7.6.23.r build. Looks like I switched from 7.6.23.r to 7.6.23 on March 5th.

There is a flag <dont_suspend_nci>. Which indicates BOINC should allow NCI tasks to keep running in most cases. However when enabling <dont_suspend_nci> I have not found any of those cases where the NCI tasks continue to run. Since I am only running NCI tasks on one host with 7.6.23 I haven't worried to much about it.
736) Message boards : Number crunching : Can Seti@home keep up with Breakthrough Listen data? (Message 1780789)
Posted 20 Apr 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Original recordings should be kept even after processing.
For few different reasons.

They seem to have some kind of archive for the data sets. Isn't that were they pull the old data sets from when we do some reprocessing?
737) Message boards : Number crunching : Lunatics Help (Message 1780784)
Posted 20 Apr 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
BOINC does not appear to log when activity is changed.

Care to set the <suspend_debug> logging flag before your next gaming session?

Sure. I just set it to see what the output would look like & with activity suspended I caught this.

4/20/2016 2:20:20 PM		[suspend] net_susp: no; file_xfer_susp: no; reason: unknown reason
4/20/2016 2:20:20 PM	GoofyxGrid@Home	Sending scheduler request: To report completed tasks.
4/20/2016 2:20:20 PM	GoofyxGrid@Home	Reporting 1 completed tasks
4/20/2016 2:20:20 PM	GoofyxGrid@Home	Not requesting tasks: non CPU intensive
4/20/2016 2:20:20 PM		[suspend] net_susp: no; file_xfer_susp: no; reason: unknown reason
4/20/2016 2:20:21 PM		[suspend] net_susp: no; file_xfer_susp: no; reason: unknown reason
4/20/2016 2:20:21 PM	GoofyxGrid@Home	Scheduler request completed
4/20/2016 2:20:21 PM		[suspend] net_susp: no; file_xfer_susp: no; reason: unknown reason


Maybe NCI projects play by different rules, but the tasks for GoofyxGrid@Home are displayed as suspended.
http://i.imgur.com/cx32nKF.png

Just as I was writing this post http://i.imgur.com/GHIwesZ.png

The only thing that seems to change the debug output is suspending network activity.
4/20/2016 2:21:05 PM		[suspend] net_susp: yes; file_xfer_susp: yes; reason: user request
4/20/2016 2:21:05 PM		Suspending network activity - user request
4/20/2016 2:21:06 PM		[suspend] net_susp: yes; file_xfer_susp: yes; reason: user request
<snip>
4/20/2016 2:21:11 PM		[suspend] net_susp: yes; file_xfer_susp: yes; reason: user request
4/20/2016 2:21:12 PM		[suspend] net_susp: no; file_xfer_susp: no; reason: unknown reason
4/20/2016 2:21:12 PM		Resuming network activity
4/20/2016 2:21:13 PM		[suspend] net_susp: no; file_xfer_susp: no; reason: unknown reason


I don't see the details of processing portion of the debug as indicated in the cc_config.xml notes.
738) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (102) Server Problems? (Message 1780778)
Posted 20 Apr 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thanks for the update. But I see another problem with scheduling.... how long do you think it will take for the project scientists to come up with a better scheduling mechanism and finer grained plan classes to handle all the various generations of hardware. From what I have gathered over at Beta, there is no mechanism in place or even proposed to decide what your computer is sent with regard to the SoG and OpenCL applications or which is more appropriate. Each has its own benefit and drawback. Depending on hardware and even AR, one or the other is better tasked to crunching any particular work unit. That is why I foresee a LONG wait for the new applications being brought to Main and being implemented. Hence, my pessimistic comment that we might be in this situation for quite a while.

Some projects allow users to select apps by plan class in their project preferences. However SETI@home tends to run a less modified version of BOINC.
739) Message boards : Number crunching : Can Seti@home keep up with Breakthrough Listen data? (Message 1780774)
Posted 20 Apr 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Processing capacity only exceeded how quickly new data was received from Areceibo somewhat recently. I want to say in the past year or two... maybe three.

Given the nature of the research it isn't required to have it completed as soon as computationally possible. If there was a 5 year backlog of data sets I don't think anyone would be to worried. Other than where to store all that data while it waits to be processed.
740) Message boards : Number crunching : Lunatics Help (Message 1780771)
Posted 20 Apr 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
we were speculating someplace else how this could happen, but without access to the hosts/users in question, it's a tad difficult to debug...

Set BOINC activity to suspend & it will happily continue to request work. I'm not sure if tasks that timeout reduce the value of Max tasks per day.

Care to provide a log snippet to back up that claim?

As far as I'm aware BOINC stops workfetch when suspended.

Too early in the morning (and without coffee) to think through the implications of having the cache time out (iirc boinc does clear out tasks that haven't been started when they go past deadline).

Not quite sure if the limit on tasks in progress makes use of the report in the sceduler request - anybody remember if ghosts count towards your quota?

BOINC does not appear to log when activity is changed. I set it from the GUI & used boinccmd --set_run_mode never. Nothing in the log. The only thing that seems to show up is when network activity is suspended.
4/20/2016 1:11:29 PM		Suspending network activity - user request
4/20/2016 1:11:35 PM		Resuming network activity
4/20/2016 1:17:25 PM		Suspending file transfers - an exclusive app is running
4/20/2016 1:18:10 PM		Resuming network activity


However I have manually suspended BOINC while playing games, or automatically from exclusive app, and then come back to find BOINC had downloaded work to chew on. It's most notable when I had set my system to only run AP GPU work and had no tasks. Then after exiting the game find 10-15 tasks to work on.
741) Message boards : Number crunching : Root access to router's OS (Message 1780753)
Posted 20 Apr 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Are you looking for a site like http://www.dd-wrt.com/ or http://www.polarcloud.com/tomato?

I have a pair of Cisco RV042 routers I've retired from my network use. I was hoping to turn them into little Linux boxes someday, but I'm not sure they would do well as crunchers.

The Specs of the RV042
    Intel XScale-IXP425 @ 266MHz
    32MB RAM
    8MB FLASH



I bought them around 2003 or 2004. So they are not the newest tech. They have heatsinks on their SoC/CPU & metal cases. However they get rather warm at idle & they draw 10-15w.

Also here are some lists of routers & their hardware.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Asus_routers
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linksys_routers

EDIT: Here is a whole list of projects that make alternative firmware.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_router_firmware_projects

742) Message boards : Number crunching : Anybody ever take apart a laptop? (Message 1780746)
Posted 20 Apr 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
...and it looks like the connector is labeled BAT.


Wow thanx HAL.

So if my ghetto-fix falls apart and considering I hardly ever have the main battery attached... what's the worst case scenario? I'll have to set the clock each time I unplug obviously but... anything else that I should be aware of?

Any chance I can solder the wires to the PCB if I have to?

BTW. and purely out of curiosity, those disc batteries aren't rechargeable are they? Is there such a thing as a rechargeable coin-batt?

A dead/non-existent BIOS/UEFI battery isn't the end of the world. The clock is likely the worst thing you would have to deal with. Did you have any, BIOS/UEFI related, issues when you powered it on after putting everything back together? The batteries are meant to be replaceable as they have a limited lifespan. Often quoted as being in the 6-8 year range.
Unless you broke the connector off of the MB you could order a new battery. Which would come with a new cable attached. Generally you don't find rechargeable button cells, but they might exist somewhere. However it is easier to find 1 to 5 Farad 5.5v capacitors. Which are used in place of batteries for backup purposes. The capacitors are about the size of 3-4 button cells stacked. So placement could be an issue.
743) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (102) Server Problems? (Message 1780576)
Posted 20 Apr 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hi,

My GPU WU queue is empty, I'm running MB v8 NV CUDA.

There are 500000+ work units ready to send. The CPU app downloads those guppi vlars just fine.

Do the ATI/AMD OpenCL platforms get guppi VLARS for processing?

If yes then: What shoud I set to plan_class to get GPU work? (To fake I'm running AMD opencl)

In the absence of non vlar work I could do vlars albeit slowly. They take about 14 minutes one at a time.

Petri

EDIT: I just received 20 tasks for my GPU. They are not guppi.
My plan_class is <plan_class>opencl_nvidia_sah</plan_class>

The value of <plan_class> in your app_info.xml doesn't have any specific meaning. You could enter <plan_class>banana</plan_class> & you would still be sent work for your Nvidia GPUs.
744) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (102) Server Problems? (Message 1780557)
Posted 20 Apr 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
...don't forget, we've been suffering a VLAR plague from the current Arecibo tapes, thus there have been fewer tasks being sent to (Nvidia) GPUs...


(Although I did see somewhere that Eric was going to be trialing the release of VLARs to GPUs....)

Has there been a shortage of non-VLAR tasks? I've been playing with a 750ti for about a week and I've not had any issues keeping 100 tasks.

I have noticed that my phone has pretty much been getting VLAR tasks. Which doesn't help getting a good Average processing rate so it will stop switching between the 12 damn Android apps.
745) Message boards : Number crunching : Anybody ever take apart a laptop? (Message 1780553)
Posted 20 Apr 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I'm pretty sure that connector is for the BIOS battery.
If you pop out the main battery and leave the AC line disconnected you can see if the BIOS loses all of its settings. Most notably should be the clock.

EDIT: I found this image and it looks like the connector is labeled BAT.

746) Message boards : Number crunching : Lunatics Help (Message 1780546)
Posted 20 Apr 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I think one problem is (but not confirmed) is new users to SETI likely have a default cache size of 10 days, so they download a boatload of files, then disappear.

It should be 1 or 2 days default, then change it as you see fit.

The default cache setting for BOINC is 0.25+0 days.
However it is fairly easy for a mid range machines to hit the limits with a setting of 1 day.
747) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (102) Server Problems? (Message 1780541)
Posted 20 Apr 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
So someone has noticed that there has been a decrease in the amount of MB for GPU coming out.

I've notice that I have not received no new GPU work units since the outage.

Could this be related to the GBT being split?

Well we do know that the majority of the GBT data is going to generate VLAR tasks. However the 750ti I'm playing around with seems to be getting work just fine.
748) Message boards : Number crunching : No longer any cuda ? (Message 1780476)
Posted 19 Apr 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Because I spent enough time trying to track the problem down and gpu
work units don't really add much to my total. Been doing seti for a long time, on and off and not even at 500k. I ran Einstein for less time and over 2 million.
Your choice.
This project is not about accumulating credits, my friend.
If that's what you are after, Seti ain't your project.
Have fun at Einstein then.

Yeah the credits are really just to get the toaster. Because who doesn't love toast?!
749) Message boards : Number crunching : Anything relating to AstroPulse tasks (Message 1780472)
Posted 19 Apr 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
As new Arecibo data sets arrive there should also be AP split from them.


Now when GBT data are splitted to wu's, it will take longer to split all Arecibo files, so longer wait between new AP's

It really depends on how they are wanting to distribute the work. I could guess they may hope for a 50/50 split between GBT & Arecibo data, but we will have to wait and see. At least until AP is implemented for GBT data. Then there may be a phase of loading previous GBT sets for AP work.
750) Message boards : Number crunching : Lunatics Help (Message 1780471)
Posted 19 Apr 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
we were speculating someplace else how this could happen, but without access to the hosts/users in question, it's a tad difficult to debug...

Set BOINC activity to suspend & it will happily continue to request work. I'm not sure if tasks that timeout reduce the value of Max tasks per day.
751) Message boards : Number crunching : Lunatics Help (Message 1780429)
Posted 19 Apr 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
But even as a safety measure against web server outages, the numbers "cached" should be in proportion to the numbers that are being successfully crunched. A host that is processing 10 or 12 WUs a month does not need a "cache" of 400 WUs. But a host that is crunching 200 WUs a day can justify a cache of that size. And so I repeat, there is room for the deadlines to be tightened a little

And as I keep pointing out, but it doesn't appear to be sinking in- cache size and WU deadlines are 2 unrelated issues. No matter how much smaller you make caches there will still be WUs that take a couple of months, or more, to eventually validate & clear from your Validation pending or Inconclusive list.
Yes, large caches do have an impact on the number of WUs outstanding, and if people were able to cache several weeks or even a month or more of work then caches sizes would have a significant impact on the time for WUs to Validate. However that isn't the case, so the impact of large caches on slow machines is so small as to be of no consequence and so irrelevant.

So arguing about cache size is pointless if you are concerned about how long it takes for some WUs to eventually validate; that period of time is due to deadlines, not cache size. And the deadlines are what they are for the reasons I mentioned previously.

If you were to be concerned about systems that download work but don't return any, or systems that for some reason have a full cache yet return mostly errors then you'd be one of many.
But as cache size has no impact on the number of WUs that take extended periods to validate, it doesn't make any sense to make an issue out of cache sizes.


To summarise- as things are, large caches on slow machines have no significant impact on the time it takes for WUs to eventually validate.

Very slow machines that only return 10-12 task a month will also not download the maximum 100 tasks. An old Pentium III 850MHz I was running ran tasks in ~30 hours. With cache settings of 10+10 days it would cache ~15 tasks before no longer asking for work.

To me it seems like there are some machines out there that ask for work, never processes it, and then ask for more once the deadline passes.
752) Message boards : Number crunching : Anything relating to AstroPulse tasks (Message 1780119)
Posted 18 Apr 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Currently APs are only being split from the (old) Arecibo tapes, so next time a few of them are loaded we will get a few APs.

As new Arecibo data sets arrive there should also be AP split from them.
753) Message boards : Number crunching : Average Credit Decreasing? (Message 1780110)
Posted 18 Apr 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Exactly. Having the biggest penis is perceived as important, so we must strive to do so. [Edit: FOR SCIENCE!!!!]

Wait... is that not what the P in FLOPs represents?
754) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (102) Server Problems? (Message 1779905)
Posted 17 Apr 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I had one task that had an issue right about then, but it completed when it retried 3 min later.
755) Message boards : Number crunching : Average Credit Decreasing? (Message 1779776)
Posted 16 Apr 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Bloody hell Jason is there anything your not doing? :) Crack open a tinny mate it's the weekend :)

As to DA his problem is dismissing anything presented to him by people who are not coders. And even if you are a coder it's likely he'll dismiss it.

<sarcasm>Which is probably why there's been a massive influx of people wanting to continue to develop boinc now its gone to a new governance modal, which is the same as it was before but with more words.</sarcasm>

As someone that has been a software test engineer for the past 15 years. I can tell you it is up to the person claiming something is broken to prove it is broken. Saying "I think this is broken. Fix it!" doesn't really work on any developer. If you can sufficiently explain an issue it is likely to be resolved.
For example. I had an issue running BOINC on some clients where I was using virtual box to run actual VMs. I explained my issue and new we have the option to tell BOINC to ignore virtual box.

Due to the expected long term averaging of CreditNew it isn't very practical to do a black box test trying to pinpoint issues.
756) Message boards : Number crunching : Say goodbye to SETI@home v7. (Message 1779652)
Posted 16 Apr 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Abolutely thrilling :-)

984 left.

So now we have a spare, unwanted, historic, comma lying around here somewhere. I wonder how much we could get for it on ebay?

http://i.imgur.com/Ae8vOw2.jpg
757) Message boards : Number crunching : Average Credit Decreasing? (Message 1779627)
Posted 16 Apr 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thank you for that explanation. One last question and I'll drop it, before the snipers come out and all this work I've been doing configuring these systems goes to waste... I presume he is a very intelligent person based upon his description above, and as he doesn't consider it broken, what is his logic/reasoning that it is working acceptably to him? Or has he never felt the need to put out that information, just an "I believe it is working fine, so that's it, drop it."?

Oh, and just what exactly was this credit new supposed to accomplish, anyways? There had to be a reason for releasing it, so something presumably was amiss with the old way of assigning credit?

I believe the purpose of CreditNew was to help regulate projects that arbitrarily assign massive amount of credit. Credit are meant to be a reflection of the amount of computing power you have done at a project. Some projects caused the scientific validity of BOINC/projects reporting computing power to come into question. As some projects increased their credit payout to draw more people to their project.

Those that have looked into how CreditNew works have stated something along the lines of "CreditNew is designed to have a stable long term average, but it has a short term pitfall.".
Personally I think there are some issues of how RAC is calculated as well. I've seen my user RAC suddenly drop 20-30%. While the daily credit values showed no real change. It would be confusing to see my RAC drop to from ~100k to 80K one day and then 70K the next day. While the daily credit values were all over 100K for 60+ days. When I was running 30+ machines I mainly watched my RAC to see if any of them had crashed, locked up, or were spitting out errors. So finding no errors and a falling RAC was odd... Well the first few dozen times.
758) Message boards : Number crunching : GPU WU crunching (Message 1779245)
Posted 15 Apr 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
My nest of 6 x ~3 year old laptops all upgraded to max 2 - 8 GB RAM, crunches 20-50 WUs a day, but they all seem to be crunching with CPUs and not with GPUs. From brief research just now, using GPU processing would speed things up but what sort of machine does GPU processing please? Do any laptops have this or is one talking about a tower unit with the right cards installed?
TIA
George

From the list of your machines it looks like they are all to old to have integrated graphics that support OpenCL.

To use graphics built into the Intel CPUs they would need to be based on Ivy Bridge, from the Core i3/5/7-3xxx series, or newer. Core 2 CPUs would be to old to use the Intel graphics. Basically If you see GMA in the name for the graphics. Then it is to old. You would want to look for Intel HD Graphics. Then make sure it isn't a Sandy Bridge CPU, Core i3/5/7-2xxx series.
Here is a list of Intel GPUs for reference.

Some notebooks have discrete graphics from ATI/AMD or Nvidia. For those you would want to look for Radeon 5000 series or newer or Nvidia 8000 series or newer. Some Radeon HD 4000 GPUs can sometimes also work, but there is no guarantee.
759) Message boards : Number crunching : My Computer Builds And Other Projects (Message 1779088)
Posted 14 Apr 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
What I do need is a phone number to evga tech support.

http://www.evga.com/about/contactus/
Office Hours: Monday – Friday 9AM to 6PM PST
760) Message boards : Number crunching : New Greenbank Files (Message 1778753)
Posted 13 Apr 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Now we just need an update to the user task list page that shows the GBT work.
Meow?


Agreed

Would be nice, but if I get it right, the GB stuff is just more V8, and there's no attempt other than filename to differentiate once it's split?

Meows, Jim ...

Might be right about that.
Just would be nice to keep tabs on it separately.
Maybe not possible.

Meows.

It would also be nice to be nice to filter the view of tasks by the processor type. Such as CPU, ATI, iGPU, NVIDIA, & maybe ARM. When you are trying to find tack down an issue for a specific processor type and there are two or three in the host it can become time consuming unfiltered.
761) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (102) Server Problems? (Message 1778749)
Posted 13 Apr 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:


The date in the example is 03-04-2016 (US) or 04-03-2016 (UK)

The seconds past midnight is about 5.4 hours.


Auch, I’m get used to DD-MM-YYYY instead MM-DD-YYYY.
Yeah, I’m looking into it, and I see this:

<tape_info>
<name>blc3_2bit_guppi_57451_19958_HIP62472_0005</name>
…
<time_recorded>Fri Mar 4 05:32:38 2016</time_recorded>

I really prefer my date format to be YYYY-MM-DD. If you have a large volume of data files with the date included in the name it makes sorting them much easier IMO. Using the MJD format makes it even easier.
That's the nice thing about standards. There are so many to choose from.
762) Message boards : Number crunching : Anybody ever take apart a laptop? (Message 1778520)
Posted 12 Apr 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hope that helps.


It sure does!

The first time I took my old Pentium M apart I pulled a furry mat of dust out of the heatsink.


Yeah, Ivan here posted a picture once of one of those and it's been giving me nightmares ever since ;)

Unless you are literally ripping the notebook open the ribbon cables should not be a problem.


Awesome. If the ribbons aren't delicate then the worst case scenario is I end up with a bruised ego from dumping it on someone else to finish the job for me. I can live with that.

Thanx everybody. Video was awesome too. Feel free to place bets on how many screws I'll have left over after reassembly :P

Well after several of the screws roll away, never to be found again, you will probably end up with exactly the right amount.
763) Message boards : Number crunching : Anybody ever take apart a laptop? (Message 1778478)
Posted 12 Apr 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I need to change my little netbook's fan 'cause it sounds like a Monster Truck after 5 years of crunching pretty much 24/7. Poor thing :)

Anyway, here's what I need to do (I don't really expect you to watch the video but here it is just in case):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-P-1QtWMpcs

OK, so I've obviously got the replacement fan. And I got a little tube of Arctic Silver so that's crossed out of the to-do list.

First question: It looks to me like I'll only be needing one type of screwdriver. Is that usually the case?

But my real phobia and therefor my real question is:

How delicate are the ribbon connectors? Are they easy to ruin when getting yanked out? And more importantly, are they easy to reconnect?

Any other advice/tips/achtungs! ? :)

Thanx!

I've taken a few notebooks apart for various reasons. The first time I took my old Pentium M apart I pulled a furry mat of dust out of the heatsink. I think I did have to use a different size screwdriver to dismount the heatsink, but I would expect all or most of the case screw to be the same size.

Unless you are literally ripping the notebook open the ribbon cables should not be a problem. The connectors for them will probably be slide locking connectors. Which once released allow the ribbon cable to be removed or inserted with little to no effort. The ribbon cables also tend to be fairly sturdy. If you wanted to rip one in half it would take more effort they tearing up a sheet of paper. However you don't want to pinch or kink them.
764) Message boards : Number crunching : New Greenbank Files (Message 1778419)
Posted 12 Apr 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Are the GBT data sets more "channels" per set? Either not all of the loaded sets are being displayed or each one contains over 100 channels.
765) Message boards : Number crunching : too many invalid amd gpu units (Message 1778348)
Posted 12 Apr 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Update:

Using the DDU cleanup utility, I tried to reinstall (fresh, no overwrite)

14.12 again, no CCC installed, drivers installed, seti sees no graphic card and will not run GPU units

Another clean install

15.7.1 again CCC installed, seti sees graphic card, results out of 30 units processed, 14 errored out, 16 completed successfully.

Going to go back to 16.3, but that still had a 20% invalid rate for results.

Any more suggestions?

I understand what you were/are doing now. The R9 300 series was released after Cat 14.12. So I would not expect 14.12 or older to work correctly with the newer cards. Some .inf and installer tweaks might work to get 14.9 or 14.12 working. As those drivers supported the R9 285 which is also a Tonga based GPU & I believe could run 2 instances without problems. Even with 15.x releases GCN 1.1 GPUs do not seem to like running multiple instances.

If you are still running 2 SETI@home tasks at once have you tried the parameters Mike suggested?
766) Message boards : Number crunching : too many invalid amd gpu units (Message 1778262)
Posted 12 Apr 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Currently running Radeon 16.3. Computer "Wedge"-Typical results tend to be 200 valid, 50 invalid. My other active computer "Storm Trooper" gets 0 invalids.

I have tried reverting to older drivers, I cannot get CCC to install on anything below 15.7.1. The drivers install, just not CCC. Seti doesn't see a graphics card without CCC. I have searched the internet, being unable to get CCC installed on older versions is a common problem. I have used both AMD's registry scrubber and another one written by a frustrated AMD user. Spent roughly 1.5 days trying to deal with this, no luck.

Running 15.7.1 or 16.1 was a disaster with valid results being at most around 60% and often considerably worse. So 16.3 is a big improvement, but still getting a large amount of invalids.

Reinstalling the OS is not an option, too much time needed for that on an active computer. My other active comp is using a much older version of CCC, and has not been updated, under the principle of "don't fix it if it isn't broke". It has no problems at all.

Any suggestions?...Please...Will give 100,000 internet points for a solution!

When you say you "can't get CCC to install on anything below 15.7.1" are you trying to install a driver over another one, or trying to install a different version of the control center than the one that comes in the driver package? Or do you mean you can't use a driver older than Cat 15.7 because it is the first release to support the R9 380?
I've installed just the drivers on many systems without the control center and never had an issue with BOINC being able to use the the GPU.

A tool you might want to use is DDU to clean out any mismatched driver components. Then you can do a clean driver install.

As far as driver release go I've used Cat 15.7, Cat 15.7.1, Crimson 15.12, & Crimson 16.3.2 with my R9 390X.
16.3.2 was an absolute mess. The first time I installed it the system crashed. After cleaning out the drivers and reinstalling I was having GUI lag issue. Even when not running BOINC. Just idle Windows desktop usage.
15.7, 15.7.1, & 15.12 were OK. 15.12 Had reduced CPU time for some projects vs 15.7.x. However with 15.12 I experienced a higher rate of crashes while playing games. So I have since gone back to 15.7.1.
I'm also using Cat 15.7.1 on my HD6870. I haven't found any differences vs Cat 14.12 when running work.
767) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (102) Server Problems? (Message 1778210)
Posted 11 Apr 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
So tomorrow will be Wednesday?

Yes. That is exactly how it works now.
768) Message boards : Number crunching : Ok, so what are the odds? (Message 1777898)
Posted 10 Apr 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Oh, and one totally unrelated question that I've been meaning to ask for years, and finally thought to ask it... I noticed that on the posts in the forum, the date/time defaults to UTC time, is there a way to change it in the settings to display it to me as my local time? It'd be much easier to get my head around when posts were made if I could do so instead of having to work it out, especially if the time between a few postings is off a little. And also since I'm at it, to show AM/PM? I know, I'm lazy... Not a huge deal, but if there is a simple setting I've missed somewhere, I'd love to change it if I could. Thanks!

BOINC doesn't offer any fora time/date display settings. I think since it is intended to work with scientific projects they decided that UTC would be good. Then there is no chance of someone getting confused if they miss-configure their time/location settings. Depending on where you live the time can be quickly figured.
For example:
If you are on EST then UTC-5
If you are on EDT then UTC-4
If you are on CST then UTC-6
If you are on CDT then UTC-5
If you have trouble with 24 hour time just remember to subtract 12 from any time over 12 to get the time in P.M. It might be helpful to add an additional clock in your Windows Time/Date settings. You could add a UTC time zone. Like this
769) Message boards : Number crunching : Ok, so what are the odds? (Message 1777893)
Posted 10 Apr 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I've tried 2 & 3 on my GTX 750Tis, and 2 is best.

On the longer running and mid range units you are more productive running 3 at a time, however the run time for shorties blows out hugely and the end result is you end up doing less work running 3 at a time than when running 2.
Hence why 2 is best.

It's just the nature of Maxwell cards with the current applications for long shortie run times (compared to previous hardware) & the more WUs you run at the same time, the worse those shortie runtimes become.

For a dedicated cruncher I found setting processpriority to "high" resulted in improved runtimes for longer running WUs, without impacting on shortie runtimes- no better, no worse.


Processpriority doesn't ring a bell, where would one find that setting, and also, would it make sense to configure my 7-900 series cards differently than the 2/4/5/600 series, as you mentioend that cards previous to Maxwell did better on shorties and higher GPU concurrent tasks? Or am I mis-readig that. Man, I tell ya, in a perfect world, I would have one set of hardware specs, all identical, for plug and play simplicity, but as the Powerball hasn't been good to me, I runs what I brung, so to speak. :-)

You will find it in your mbcuda.cfg
I have fired up the dual 771 Asus board I got from Timelord and have a 750 Ti running in it.
Until I get the CPU heatsinks bolted down I'm really just playing with the GPU. After running overnight with a default mbcuda.cfg & 2 tasks at a time I just switched to.

processpriority = abovenormal
pfblockspersm = 8
pfperiodsperlaunch = 200
770) Message boards : Number crunching : Building a 32 thread xeon system doesn't need to cost a lot (Message 1777871)
Posted 10 Apr 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
ASUS Z9PA-D8 is a similar board to the ASROCK, but it is an ATX board. Would it be suitable for a cruncher? It does have 2 PCIe x16 slots (and 3 x8).


EDIT: I see upthread I missed a ref to this MB. My bad! However, it does have the square ILM pattern for the sockets, not the narrow one. But the sockets are close together, so you might still have to be picky about your coolers...


I'm using this ATX board on one system for E@H CPU work, with dual Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO coolers on E5-2670's with 115w TDP. They are slim enough to run in parallel, with enough space for a third fan between. This does mean that CPU1 sucks CPU2's exhaust and runs a little warmer, but in my case this means 51c vs 54c using only two CPU fans, at 100% usage. No biggie.

I like the setup AgentB is using for their cooling setup. That seems like the the best way to go.
771) Message boards : News : SETI@home 8 released for Raspberry Pi. (Message 1777801)
Posted 10 Apr 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Doesn't appear to be bring picked up

09-Apr-2016 02:55:17 [SETI@home] Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks
09-Apr-2016 02:55:17 [SETI@home] Unknown app name setiathome_enhanced in app_info.xml
09-Apr-2016 02:55:17 [SETI@home] No tasks sent
09-Apr-2016 02:55:17 [SETI@home] Your app_info.xml file doesn't have a usable version of SETI@home v8.

Well setiathome_enhanced was the app name for v5/6 IIRC. We are currently on v8 with an app name setiathome_v8.
772) Message boards : Number crunching : What means Vulkan API to crunshing ? (Message 1777794)
Posted 10 Apr 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Maybe it could lead to a single universal GPU app across all hardware vendors?

Very doubtful. OpenCL already "could". In reality there are too many vendor-specific nuances to get speedy-enough common build. Common build possible... but un-optimized one.

I think this is best explained by http://www.xkcd.com
773) Message boards : Number crunching : What means Vulkan API to crunshing ? (Message 1777682)
Posted 10 Apr 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I don't get it, what are you doing here? :?
The Vulkan API has absolutely nothing to do with SETI crunching at all!
Do you test the latency of these drivers? Well, then ok...

Exactly. Until we have a Vulkan app it is only testing the current CUDA/OpenCL portions of the driver.

From what, little, I've read about Vulkan it may only have an advantage over OpenCL in terms of performance. Maybe it could lead to a single universal GPU app across all hardware vendors?
774) Message boards : Number crunching : Building seti app for the Raspberry Pi (Message 1777640)
Posted 9 Apr 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Is the stock app the neon aware one that Claggy posted about on Beta?

I keep going back on forth on if I want to go with the Raspberry Pi 2, Pi 3, ODROID-C2, or ODROID-XU4.
775) Message boards : Number crunching : Building a 32 thread xeon system doesn't need to cost a lot (Message 1777626)
Posted 9 Apr 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The Chenbro is $85 at newegg. So it is currently the cheapest one I've found so far, but is doesn't have an ideal fan configuration.

I thought the whole point of the EEB chassis was the CPU fan(s) were in specific fixed locations in order to maximise airflow?

Indeed. That is why I find the Chenbro one less than ideal & likely why it is <$100.
776) Message boards : Number crunching : screen saver disappeared (Message 1777617)
Posted 9 Apr 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
A much simpler option would be to only use your first name for your Windows user account.

That's not going to help much against the name she sees in her Seti screen saver though as that name is registered in Your Account here at Seti, and with each scheduler contact stored in the client_state.xml file, from where the graphics application or BOINC screen saver gets that information.

Hmm yeah I was thinking of the name that BOINC runs as when it starts for some reason.
Most of what I said still applies. It would just need to be set on the project account page.
777) Message boards : Number crunching : screen saver disappeared (Message 1777556)
Posted 9 Apr 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Wow! "Ageless" one.. Wow indeed..

All I wanted to do, if possible, was to remove my name from the 'User info' box on the right side of the BOINC classic screen saver screen. I get questions as to WHY my last name is different on the screen, when people see it, than it is in RL (real life). I do not want to explain what "Second Life" is, why I use it daily, and why I use a phony name on it. :)

I will try to edit the BOINC source code. I will likely have to download and open it as a .txt file? Some code is 'touchy' and doesn't like to be opened in other than the language used to create it.

Yoiks! I just looked at the 'Boinc souce code' link while typing this. There appears to be no download for it? I see a lot of 'gobble-de-gook' tho. :) I also see that 'Git' is req'd to view/edit the code, assuming I can get the source code. :)

"Live long and prosper, huh?"

A much simpler option would be to only use your first name for your Windows user account.
Open Control Panel\All Control Panel Items\User Accounts
Then Change your account name
778) Message boards : Number crunching : Building a 32 thread xeon system doesn't need to cost a lot (Message 1777554)
Posted 9 Apr 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Here's a horizontal SSI-EEB for less than $150 USD:

http://www.amazon.com/Silverstone-GD08B-Aluminum-Extended-compatible/dp/B007X8TQYI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1460223599&sr=8-1&keywords=ssi-eeb

Sadly some manufactures, like Silverstone, think SSI EEB and EATX are the same thing. They both share the same 13"x12" physical dimensions, but SSI EEB has other specifications. Like the mounting positions for heatsinks that I require.

The MB tray should resemble swiss cheese. Like this Chenbro chassis


The Chenbro is $85 at newegg. So it is currently the cheapest one I've found so far, but is doesn't have an ideal fan configuration.
779) Message boards : Number crunching : Ok, so what are the odds? (Message 1777405)
Posted 9 Apr 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Well, I feel a little sheepish, I guess I probably should have checked quick before I hit the submit button on the post, because I found that I do have a few, maybe 10-15 GPU tasks now. Not nearly as many as I'd expect for this GPU, as I have it running 2 tasks at a time, but it is better than none!

So, in answer to my question, I guess the odds are 100% that it's possible. lol

If you can't tell on the system where the tasks were assigned you can always check the host task list. It looks like that host did get 100 CPU tasks and now is up to 25 GPU tasks.
780) Message boards : Number crunching : Building a 32 thread xeon system doesn't need to cost a lot (Message 1777375)
Posted 9 Apr 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Does anyone know a good source for SSI EEB chassis? I need to find some with mounting holes for CPU standoffs. E-ATX, also 12"x13", chassis tend to not have the required standoff holes.


Newegg return a few cases that are meant to be EEB compliant, but if you're after a rack unit type chassis, RackmountMart might be the way to go.

Unfortunately all of those Phanteks chassis have large openings in the MB trey where I need to put standoffs. The heatsinks get bolted directly to the MB trey rather than to the MB for the dual Xeon system I'm working on right now.
I was wanting not mess around with drilling a bunch of holes in a MB tray or spend $200-300 on a bare chassis.
781) Message boards : Number crunching : Building a 32 thread xeon system doesn't need to cost a lot (Message 1777359)
Posted 9 Apr 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I believe BOINC only detects the number of cores/threads present in the system.

Would be nice if they could make it 100WUs for every 4 cores.
That would keep most systems at their current levels, but allow more work for systems with more sockets so they wouldn't be as adversely impacted by Seti server outages.

When they had a limit of 50 per core it was nice. A limit of 25 per core would probably work on most systems.

However It would also be REALLY easy to bypass the per core limits. By setting the number of CPUs in a cc_config.xml and then use an app_config.xml to limit the number of running tasks.
782) Message boards : Number crunching : Building a 32 thread xeon system doesn't need to cost a lot (Message 1777358)
Posted 9 Apr 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Actually it's a hard limit of 100 CPU tasks. Not per CPU socket.

Damn.

So even with a 4 socket system you still only get 100WUs. Given CPU crunch times, that puts it (very roughly) 16 CPU threads = 1 GTX750Ti (running 2WUs at a time).
So running much more than 50 or so instances on a single system CPU(s) would result in running out of work even with very minor Seti server outages.

So running the system mentioned in the opening post would be OK (similar cache to a couple of GTX 750Tis). But not much point in running something with many more cores or sockets.
:-/

As I mentioned previously my dual Xeon E5645 server, with only 12c/24t, would often run out of SETI@home. As normal AR tasks would run around 2.5 hours a queue of 100 tasks only lasted about 10 hours. A queue of shorties wouldn't even last through a normal Tuesday maintenance.
So running multiple instances of BOINC on a system like that is really the way to go.

Does anyone know a good source for SSI EEB chassis? I need to find some with mounting holes for CPU standoffs. E-ATX, also 12"x13", chassis tend to not have the required standoff holes.
783) Message boards : Number crunching : Building a 32 thread xeon system doesn't need to cost a lot (Message 1777344)
Posted 8 Apr 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Yes but it's 100 WUs for all cores, not 100 WUs per core.
I get exactly 300 WUs for 2 GPUs and 4 cores, that's 100 per GPU and only 100 for my quad core...

I run 1 WU at a time on my GPU and, according to SETIspirit, the GPU completes (100 < WUs)/day.

If you look at the Application details on one of your hosts you can see the number of tasks it has completed for each app in a given day. Number of tasks today

970 WUs today?!? I've never felt so productive in my life :)

Well, that's obviously not one of your systems. I just grabbed one form the top hosts list as you have your systems hidden.
784) Message boards : Number crunching : Building a 32 thread xeon system doesn't need to cost a lot (Message 1777336)
Posted 8 Apr 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Yes but it's 100 WUs for all cores, not 100 WUs per core.
I get exactly 300 WUs for 2 GPUs and 4 cores, that's 100 per GPU and only 100 for my quad core...

I run 1 WU at a time on my GPU and, according to SETIspirit, the GPU completes (100 < WUs)/day.

If you look at the Application details on one of your hosts you can see the number of tasks it has completed for each app in a given day. Number of tasks today
785) Message boards : Number crunching : OpenCL vs. CUDA, histoical and current situation? (Message 1777335)
Posted 8 Apr 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
And I'm very doubt that any hardware was donated by AMD or NV.

I asked, and it appears that Nvidia did give the development crew one (or more) GPU(s) to work with while converting the Seti source code to CUDA. ATI expressed an interest in GPGPU computing but in the end didn't give any help at all.

I think Einstein@Home managed to get an ATI GPU donated from ATI, but they also had to convert the source code to run with Brook+ - CAL themselves.

I thought Eric or Matt has mentioned ATI sent a dev kit with something like a HD4850 & said "Good luck". Perhaps it was someone mentioning Einstein that my brain has twisted around.
786) Message boards : Number crunching : Building a 32 thread xeon system doesn't need to cost a lot (Message 1777332)
Posted 8 Apr 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Yes but it's 100 WUs for all cores, not 100 WUs per core.
I get exactly 300 WUs for 2 GPUs and 4 cores, that's 100 per GPU and only 100 for my quad core...

I still don't see the issue.
If you had a second CPU, you would get another 100WU.
Once you finish a WU, you can then download another. The 100WU limit per device is not a per day limit.

EDIT-
So it seems useless to have more than 100 cores, because they will stop processing at the slightest server hiccup.


If it were 100 cores on a single CPU, yes. But as it's on multiple CPUs then it's not an issue (if my understanding of the limits is correct).

Anyone with a multi-CPU system able to advise whether the CPU limit is 100WUs per system, or per CPU?

Actually it's a hard limit of 100 CPU tasks. Not per CPU socket. When I was running my dual 6c/12t server and we transitioned from 100 GPU tasks to 100 GPU tasks per device per vendor I asked if the CPU limit could be treated the same. However I'm unsure that BOINC has a detection method to determine the number of CPUs. I believe BOINC only detects the number of cores/threads present in the system.
787) Message boards : Number crunching : Anything relating to AstroPulse tasks (Message 1777277)
Posted 8 Apr 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
SETI@home 08/04/2016 17:34:09 Not requesting tasks: don't need


My laptop (CPU only) has a ten day cache? Surely that can't be right? Can it?

Depends on the speed of the system. My J1900 system decides the cache is full once it has about 25 AP tasks. Then it only has to snag a few resends a week between the times new work is split to never run out of work.
788) Message boards : Number crunching : Building a 32 thread xeon system doesn't need to cost a lot (Message 1777272)
Posted 8 Apr 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
For those multi-core maniacs out there, I would recommend you view the May 2016 edition of PC PRO magazine, pgs 84-85, "i7 or Xeon." It mentions Haswell, Broadwell, and Skylake chip families. It lists specs on a new chip --> Broadwell-EP Xeon-E5 2602 v4.

Also, it touches upon chips with 4, 8, 10, 12, 22, and wait for it...wait for it...26 cores. The latter is an upcoming skylake Xeon, which is rumored to have 26 cores, and 65MB L3 cache. It is slated for release in Q1 2017.

Imagine dropping two of these HTT beasts on a mobo with 4 graphics cards. That's 100< SETI WUs crunching concurrently on a single box.

Of course, you'd need to win the lottery first.

I hope they didn't bite on the E5-2602v4 5.1GHz rumor that has been going around for months. To fit in line below the E5-2603v4 it will likely be a 4c or 6c at 1.5GHz.

I would estimate the E5-2699v5 will be 26c/52t @ 2.1GHz. Based on how the previous generations has progressed thus far. With the E5-2699v4 having 22c/44t @2.2GHz and the E5-2699v3 having 18c/36t @ 2.3GHz.
Running 100 SETI@home tasks at once with 0 cache would not be ideal. My 12c/24t server often would switch to backup projects when there were only minor SETI@home server hiccups.


However back the E5-2660/E5-2670 that weer flooded onto the market and can be had for cheap.

Now if someone would just flood dual LGA2011 boards into the market so they price on them would drop below $200 that would be nice. In specing out the parts for these CPUs the MB is the single most expensive part. Unless you go nuts on memory. Then you can easily spend over $1,000 just on memory. 32GB & 64GB simms are not cheap.
789) Message boards : Number crunching : Anything relating to AstroPulse tasks (Message 1776988)
Posted 7 Apr 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
HAL,

Where do you get numbers like that from?

I've read and heard before that there's some parsing of stdout.txt that you can do to get fancy reports like that.



as for current splitting and distribution.. I'm making slow progress at getting some. I'm up to 8 so far.. across ~25 requests. It is slow-going, but still progress.

Yeah I've made a few different .bats to parse for various things over the years. I think one of my first ones was parsing for scheduler timeouts when we were having connection issues.

The one I made to get the counts for assigned tasks is below. You can save it in notepad and place it in the same folder with your stdoutdae.txt or you can edit readfile to include the path to your stdoutdae.

_scheduler_work_assigned.bat
@ECHO OFF & pushd %~dp0 & cls
set readfile=stdoutdae.txt
set project=SETI@home
set tskcnt=0
:gettskcnt
findstr /C:"[%project%] Scheduler request completed" %readfile% >sched_comcnt-%computername%.txt
findstr /C:"[%project%] Scheduler request completed: got %tskcnt% new tasks" %readfile% >sched_com%tskcnt%-%computername%.txt
set /a tskcnt=%tskcnt%+1
if %tskcnt% LEQ 9 goto gettskcnt
set tskcnt2=0
:gettskcnt2
for /f %%a in ('Find /V /C "" ^< sched_comcnt-%computername%.txt') do set total=%%a
for /f %%a in ('Find /V /C "" ^< sched_com%tskcnt2%-%computername%.txt') do set cnt%tskcnt2%=%%a
set /a tskcnt2=%tskcnt2%+1
if %tskcnt2% LEQ 9 goto gettskcnt2
del sched_com*-%computername%.txt
set /a taskcnttotal=%cnt1%+%cnt2%+%cnt3%+%cnt4%+%cnt5%+%cnt6%+%cnt7%+%cnt8%+%cnt9%
set /a totaltskcnt=%cnt1%+(%cnt2%*2)+(%cnt3%*3)+(%cnt4%*4)+(%cnt5%*5)+(%cnt6%*6)+(%cnt7%*7)+(%cnt8%*8)+(%cnt9%*9)
set /a nullrequest=%total%-%cnt0%-taskcnttotal
@ECHO Project details for: %project%
@ECHO Total number of work requests: %total%
@ECHO Number of requests gaining work: %taskcnttotal%
@ECHO Number of requests not gaining work: %cnt0%
@ECHO Number of times no work was requested: %nullrequest%
@ECHO Number of tasks gained: %totaltskcnt%
@ECHO.
@ECHO Tasks per request percent and count: Total
set /a cnt0pct=%cnt0%*100/%total%*100/100
if %cnt0% GTR 0 @ECHO 0 tasks: %cnt0pct% %%, %cnt0%
set /a cnt1pct=%cnt1%*100/%total%
if %cnt1% GTR 0 @ECHO 1 tasks: %cnt1pct% %%, %cnt1%
set /a cnt2pct=%cnt2%*100/%total%
if %cnt2% GTR 0 @ECHO 2 tasks: %cnt2pct% %%, %cnt2%
set /a cnt3pct=%cnt3%*100/%total%
if %cnt3% GTR 0 @ECHO 3 tasks: %cnt3pct% %%, %cnt3%
set /a cnt4pct=%cnt4%*100/%total%
if %cnt4% GTR 0 @ECHO 4 tasks: %cnt4pct% %%, %cnt4%
set /a cnt5pct=%cnt5%*100/%total%
if %cnt5% GTR 0 @ECHO 5 tasks: %cnt5pct% %%, %cnt5%
set /a cnt6pct=%cnt6%*100/%total%
if %cnt6% GTR 0 @ECHO 6 tasks: %cnt6pct% %%, %cnt6%
set /a cnt7pct=%cnt7%*100/%total%
if %cnt7% GTR 0 @ECHO 7 tasks: %cnt7pct% %%, %cnt7%
set /a cnt8pct=%cnt8%*100/%total%
if %cnt8% GTR 0 @ECHO 8 tasks: %cnt8pct% %%, %cnt8%
set /a cnt9pct=%cnt9%*100/%total%
if %cnt9% GTR 0 @ECHO 9 tasks: %cnt9pct% %%, %cnt9%
@ECHO.
if %taskcnttotal% EQU 0 goto end
@ECHO Tasks per request percent and count: Only when work assigned
set /a cnt1pct=%cnt1%*100/%taskcnttotal%
if %cnt1% GTR 0 @ECHO 1 tasks: %cnt1pct% %%, %cnt1%
set /a cnt2pct=%cnt2%*100/%taskcnttotal%
if %cnt2% GTR 0 @ECHO 2 tasks: %cnt2pct% %%, %cnt2%
set /a cnt3pct=%cnt3%*100/%taskcnttotal%
if %cnt3% GTR 0 @ECHO 3 tasks: %cnt3pct% %%, %cnt3%
set /a cnt4pct=%cnt4%*100/%taskcnttotal%
if %cnt4% GTR 0 @ECHO 4 tasks: %cnt4pct% %%, %cnt4%
set /a cnt5pct=%cnt5%*100/%taskcnttotal%
if %cnt5% GTR 0 @ECHO 5 tasks: %cnt5pct% %%, %cnt5%
set /a cnt6pct=%cnt6%*100/%taskcnttotal%
if %cnt6% GTR 0 @ECHO 6 tasks: %cnt6pct% %%, %cnt6%
set /a cnt7pct=%cnt7%*100/%taskcnttotal%
if %cnt7% GTR 0 @ECHO 7 tasks: %cnt7pct% %%, %cnt7%
set /a cnt8pct=%cnt8%*100/%taskcnttotal%
if %cnt8% GTR 0 @ECHO 8 tasks: %cnt8pct% %%, %cnt8%
set /a cnt9pct=%cnt9%*100/%taskcnttotal%
if %cnt9% GTR 0 @ECHO 9 tasks: %cnt9pct% %%, %cnt9%
:end
@ECHO. & pause


The value for project can be changed for other projects. Just use the same output you see in the Event log/messages tab for the project.
Also readfile=stdoutdae.txt can be changed to readfile=stdoutdae.old if you want to check your previous stuff.

I should also add that this is only looking for values up to 9 when tasks are assigned. As my intention was to use this on AP only systems where 9 or fewer tasks are assigned per request.
790) Message boards : Number crunching : Anything relating to AstroPulse tasks (Message 1776928)
Posted 7 Apr 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Checking my J1900 system that is only using its iGPU for AP work it looks like it picked up some recently.
Project details for: SETI@home
Total number of work requests: 1149
Number of requests gaining work: 2
Number of requests not gaining work: 500
Number of times no work was requested: 647
Number of tasks gained: 2

Tasks per request percent and count: Total
0 tasks: 43 %, 500
1 tasks: 0 %, 2

Tasks per request percent and count: Only when work assigned
1 tasks: 100 %, 2
791) Message boards : Number crunching : Number of tasks processing. (Message 1776868)
Posted 7 Apr 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
ok, thanks guys, did not catch that 1 task = 1 proc.

In short, one task will never be able to be distributed on multiple-proc.



Francois

Yes SETI@home does not currently have multithreaded applications. I believe it has been stated that the processing that SETI@home performs would not greatly benefit from being multithreaded.
However there are some BOINC projects that do offer multithreaded applications.
792) Message boards : Number crunching : OpenCL vs. CUDA, histoical and current situation? (Message 1776859)
Posted 7 Apr 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
If someone could fill me and everyone else (who hasn't paid close attention to it over the years) in regarding NV products and CUDA, and then/now OpenCL, I would appreciate it. I know that back in the day, Nvidia was a partner (with us directly?) in getting CUDA out as an optimized platform, but if I remember correctly, they pretty much pulled their active support, and this is what drove development of the OpenCL?

Am I correct in thinking that all things considered, CUDA is better than OpenCL when it comes to crunching on Nvidia cards? As I haven't been active for a few years, this may all be old news, but I'd like to know the history of it, and also if there is anything new to know about the situation. Thanks guys!

I think the super quick version of the story is a long the lines of... NVIDIA basically wrote, or did a lot of optimization for, the initial SETI@home CUDA application.

I think NVIDIA may have also donated some GPUs to the project so development could continue. Continued development/optimization of the CUDA applications has largely been, 100%?, from volunteer efforts of the community. I'm not sure if jason_gee was the initial person to jump on it, but they are defiantly one of the CUDA gurus.

ATI/AMD sent SETI@home some GPUs and the SDK & said good luck. So no Brook/Stream apps were developed by the project as they didn't have the time/resources.
So volunteer efforts, by Raistmer, developed the initial Brook/Stream on ATI GPUs for Astropulse. Then later the move to OpenCL as AMD dropped support for ATI's native Brook/Stream.
In time SETI@Home(MB) OpenCL apps were developed for ATI/AMD GPUs. Then came the OpenCL Astropulse app for Nvidia. I think last was the OpenCL MB app for Nvidia.
I'm not sure on the current status of the OpenCL MB Nvidia apps. As I primary use ATI GPUs. However I believe that TBar's MAC Nvidia app is the stock GPU app for MAC. Also petri has or is still developing a CUDA app that is more efficient.
793) Message boards : Number crunching : Number of tasks processing. (Message 1776854)
Posted 7 Apr 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Dear Seti people,

Is there a way to setup BOINC in order to have only a specific number of task running at any point in time???

I would like to run only 4 tasks and when one is over a new one would start.

THanks

Francois

There are a few different ways.
First you can use the BOINC GUI and change the allowed CPUs that BOINC can use. So for your 32 CPU system 4/32=12.5%


Another option is to make a cc_config.xml and set <ncpus> to 4.

If you wanted to limit a specific project you could use an app_config.xml and set the value for <project_max_concurrent> to 4.
794) Message boards : Number crunching : Exclusive applications problem (Message 1776835)
Posted 7 Apr 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I don't know how Win 10 handles it, but Win 8.1 will only "really" restart, if you choose "Restart" from the menu. If you shut down the computer it doesn't really shut down completely, it only goes into hibernate to "cheat" being very fast on the next system startup. I noticed this by accident, by looking at the system uptime in the task manager and the value wasn't in sync with reality. ;)

Maybe Win 10 does the same trick to shine to be very fast on startup? :?

Yep.
Howtogeek's article on Win10s Fast Startup.

Well you live and learn.

So I was doing a shut-down, that was really a hibernate!!

So when people were saying do shut-down rather than a restart it was exactly the opposite of what I needed to do :-))

Somewhere along the line I must have done a "restart" which solved the problem!!

So for Win 8 and Win 10 to "shut-down", you actually do need to do a "restart" if "fast start" is enabled.

Makes sense as I mostly hibernate my two laptops anyway.


I would be curious if the Fast Startup overrides all commands for the system to shutdown. If you were to use the commandline shutdown /s does the system still hibernate instead of shutting down?
On my desktop systems I always have disabled hibernate as part of my OS setup processes. Which also disables the use of the Fast Startup feature.
795) Message boards : Number crunching : GPU Wars 2016: GTX 1050 Ti & GTX 1050: October 25th (Message 1776673)
Posted 6 Apr 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Yeah, it's always been if you want the nicest toys, you'd best have a thich wallet. I guess what I was referring to about the full monty comment is the statement

A fully enabled P100 has 60 SMs, giving a potential 3840 cores, but Tesla P100 disables four SMs to give 3584 total cores.

Maybe sometime down the road they'll release a fully enabled version, maybe when they get their yields up? Regardless, if they do, you know it won't be cheap.. :-)

Perhaps on the enterprise end they reduce the number used in the event parts of it burn out. Similar to how SSD drives have more flash than is usable. So they can allocate new blocks when flash cells go dead.
796) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows 10 - Yea or Nay? (Message 1776644)
Posted 6 Apr 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Or you could use the built in Windows Image found in Backup on your W7 computer.

The irritating thing about that is that it requires a 1TB drive to backup to, even if the Windows partition is just 120GB.

I see that Macrium allows for individual partition imaging and cloning, so you can store multiple images or partitions on a 1TB drive.

I like Symantec Ghost or Acronis True Image to make system backups. Rather than install their software I use the "recovery media" method. Boot to it. Then make or restore the OS image I need.

It is also a grate method for running a system with multiple OSs without messing around with multiboot options or bootloaders.
797) Message boards : Number crunching : Nvidia DGX-1 (Message 1776635)
Posted 6 Apr 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
For those with an extra 129K USD laying around.....

http://www.anandtech.com/show/10229/nvidia-announces-dgx1-server

I'm kind of not impressed with 85 TFLOPS of SP for $129K.

I think we could do better for much less money. Like Dirk's quad Fury X with 34 TFLOPS of SP.

What that server has that IS impressive is the 42 TFLOPS of DP. Which is where most of the business class needs to to be these days.
798) Message boards : Number crunching : increase GPU usage (Message 1776576)
Posted 6 Apr 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hi,
I'm new to SETI@Home.
My CPU usage is everytime at 100% but my GPU only between 30-50%.
How can i increase the GPU usage also to ~90-100%?

My System:
Intel Core i7 3770K
NVIDIA GeForce GTX970
32GB Ram
Windows 10 Education
Boinc Version 7.6.22
- no temp. problems

Running more than once instance per GPU is used to increase utilization. This can be easily done with a app_config.xml

An example of a app_config.xml to run 2 instances may look something like this.
<app_config>
	<app>
		<name>setiathome_v8</name>
		<gpu_versions>
			<gpu_usage>0.50</gpu_usage>
			<cpu_usage>0.04</cpu_usage>
		</gpu_versions>
	</app>
</app_config>
799) Message boards : Number crunching : GPU Wars 2016: GTX 1050 Ti & GTX 1050: October 25th (Message 1776575)
Posted 6 Apr 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
*** Us code/app-challenged folk would love to hear what the volunteer devs have to say about this new memory and what it may (or may not) mean for S@H ;)


Faster, better, memory subsystem generally makes optimisation easier/simpler, though a lot will depend on the balance of cumpute horsepower to memory bandwidth. Looks like for our purposes, might amount to a near linear double of current generation (for the HBM2 variant), presumably with the GP104 without HBM somewhere in between.

Would you expect that to take advantage of HBM a specialized app would be required?
On the Radeon side comparing my R9 390X with GDDR5 to the Fury X with HBM I'm not impressed with the FuryX's run times. With 45% more cores & SP GFLOPS it only manages to run MB tasks 20% faster.
800) Message boards : Number crunching : Building a 32 thread xeon system doesn't need to cost a lot (Message 1776419)
Posted 6 Apr 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
There is a thread over on Einsten@home where someone wanted to make a CPU only cruncher. They were initially looking to use older 5000 series Xeons. Some users talked them into a system with s pair of E5-2670 or E5-2660's given how cheap they are. If you are lucky you can even manage to get them for under $50. Paired with a workstation MB instead of a server one & you can probably spend even less for 16c/32t of crunching fun.
801) Message boards : Number crunching : Exclusive applications problem (Message 1776368)
Posted 5 Apr 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Well I played FO4 for 3 hours yesterday evening no problem.

And yes the "suspended" version is still there preventing BOINC running if I add the Fallout 4 exe to exclusive applications.

I have done even more reading on-line and apparently this has been a problem since WIN 7, there are pages of complaints on the MS forums dating back to 2010 describing exactly what I have seen, with programs as diverse as Excel, and Skype.

In some cases the "ghost" program stops the actual program from running and yes in many cases a power down and reboot does not clear the ghost.

It does seem to be centred around something odd occurring, like a lock up or program crash, which is what happened to me

I will try booting to safe mode an using PE next time I need to shut this machine down and let you know.

To answer Hal, yes all three shut downs were complete power-downs and I agree I would not expect to see any program still running after that!

I guess one more thing you could try is running psexe with -s then you can start cmd, Task Manager, or Prcoess Explorer as the system instead of as a user.
Either psexec -s cmd.exe, psexec -i -s taskmgr, psexec -i -s procexp.exe. From the command line you can use whoami before and after running psexe the user you are running as. In Task Manager & Process Explorer you can look in the user name column to see the user is System instead of your user account.

Then as System you could give killing the orphaned processes another try. I have to say in 17 years of being a software test engineer I have not had a orphaned processes survive a restart/shutdown.
Are you using the windows feature that restores running programs for you automatically when you reboot/shutdown? That might be the cause if you were.
802) Message boards : Number crunching : Exclusive applications problem (Message 1776229)
Posted 4 Apr 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Task Manager since from Windows 8 really just has 2 ways to display things

Nothing

Everything



The Details tab displays the information you would see in the Processes tab in Windows 7.
The Processes tab the information you would see in the Applications tab in Windows 7.

When you say you have shutdown your computer have you done an actual shutdown or some type of sleepy hibernate function? I really wouldn't expect an application I didn't launch to be displayed as a running process after a shutdown or restart.

I'm not sure why taskkill can't stop the application, but that defiantly that indicates it is running in some fashion.
803) Message boards : Number crunching : Exclusive applications problem (Message 1776213)
Posted 4 Apr 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
You could also try from an elevated command prompt (run as admin)
taskkill /im fallout4.exe /t /f
804) Message boards : Number crunching : Exclusive applications problem (Message 1776188)
Posted 4 Apr 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Depends on what you use to stop BOINC from running?
<exclusive_gpu_app>Fallout4.exe</exclusive_gpu_app> or <exclusive_gpu_app>Fallout4Launcher.exe</exclusive_gpu_app>

I mean, you can run the launcher and minimize it without it having impact on your system. But if that's what's excluded in BOINC, then that's what it stops on.

I use Fallout4.exe and it's not just a GPU exclusive app, it stops CPU as well. Nothing is running that I can see not even Steam currently.

So far I have not had that issue with BOINC when fallout crashes. Which seems to occur much more frequently since the 1.4 patch.

What happens if you add it as an exclusive app again?
Originally I had only added it as an exclusive GPU app. Then I found I needed to make it an exclusive app. So currently I have both entries for fallout.
<exclusive_app>fallout4.exe</exclusive_app>
<exclusive_gpu_app>fallout4.exe</exclusive_gpu_app>
Which I guess is kind of redundant & repetitive.
805) Message boards : Number crunching : Lunatics Help (Message 1776158)
Posted 4 Apr 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

    . . Please advise if and when you do such a wonderful thing. I would be most keen to run it.

    Stephen


You can watch the sticky thread Optimised Applications and Other Binaries for announcements of official installer releases.



. . I had a look, how is it sticky?

.

A thread marked as "sticky", by a moderator, is one that always appears first in a specific topic. Unless you have checked "Don't move sticky posts to top" in your settings.

They also get different icons.
806) Message boards : Number crunching : Lunatics Help (Message 1776113)
Posted 4 Apr 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thanks - looking good so far. Mr. Kevvy said that he would check it out when he gets home from work - that usually means overnight for me, because of time zones. Edit - he's just reported that SSE3 is showing up as well.

I'll fix the typos, but probably not bother with a public release until we can cure some of the obesity by dropping MB_v7 support. I'll have to decide what to do about the missing SSSE3, SSE4.1, and SSE4.2 apps then - I may be able to debug a 9KB DLL, but I don't think I'm up to full app optimisation yet.



. . Please advise if and when you do such a wonderful thing. I would be most keen to run it.

Stephen

You can watch the sticky thread Optimised Applications and Other Binaries for announcements of official installer releases.
807) Message boards : Number crunching : Help understanding how this might have happened. (Message 1775762)
Posted 2 Apr 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Interesting article, it's a bit dated due to the many changes in the last 2 years in the industry, as was noted in the latest comments below it, but still good reference for anyone who has bought a PSU fairly recently. Hopefully someone will take on what has to be the fairly large task of updating it. I think most of mine were made by either Sea Sonic or Superflower, which I thought were higher end OEMs. All I can speak from is experience at this point, and so far am batting 1000 with them. I guess in this case it is you get what you pay for. :-)

Here is an interesting article about PSU's and OEMs:http://orionpsudb.com/

I'm not sure if tomshardware updates their article every year. I think they have only released a version of their list in 2009, 2011, 2013, & 2014. WE may be due for a new one this year
808) Message boards : Number crunching : Radeon Software Crimson (Message 1775760)
Posted 2 Apr 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

Something to take note of the R9 290X is based on GCN 1.1 & Fury are based on GCN 1.2.

Whenever you are running a system with multi GPUs have you checked the Crossfire option in the driver? Perhaps it is being turned on automatically and slowing things down.

Some things I might try:
-Pairing the R9 290X & HD 7870 to see if the same lower utilization effect occurs.
-Run only 1 of the GPUs in a multi GPU configuration to see if the utilization is the same as when multi GPUs are running.
-Run with 0 CPU tasks.


I have asked an AMD contact about Fury vs. R9 290X. If I hear back, I will share here.

Yes, crossfire is getting turned on, but I have manually disabled it. It did not seem to make much difference though.

I have difficulty to pair the R9 290 with the R7870. The 290X is too long to fit in my server and the system with the R9 290 doesn't have a spare slot. I have tried every other combination though.

Not sure I understand the last 2 suggestions:
-What do you mean by 1 GPU in multi GPU config? Do you mean 1 GPU with 0.5 GPUs per task? I have tried that with the Fury X and found it gets computation errors.
-How do you disable CPU tasks?


Run only 1 of the GPUs means exactly that. With 2, or 3, GPUs installed in a system. Tell BOINC to only use one of them. You could use <exclude_gpu> or <ignore_ati_dev> in your cc_config.xml. You will need to restart BOINC when using either one of those settings.

To suspend all CPU processing there are a few different ways to do it.
You could increase <cpu_usage> in the app_config.xml to a value that would reserve all of the CPUs. Something like 2.66 or 2.67 for 3 GPUs in the 8 CPU system.
You could also lower the number of CPUs that BOINC is allowed to use by changing Use at most X% of the CPUs to a low value to prevent CPU tasks from running. With GPU tasks running setting 1% works for me. Also the setting my be labeled On multiprocessor systems, use at most X% of the processors in the GUI.
Lastly you can always suspend the CPU tasks.
809) Message boards : Number crunching : Anything relating to AstroPulse tasks (Message 1775737)
Posted 2 Apr 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Well that was a good run. I got a total of 9. Now the waiting game until more get split.

I am still getting some at this time and the splitters are still turning them out.

When I saw this I thought it was some kind of April fools joke.
01-Apr-2016 22:26:21 [SETI@home] Requesting new tasks for ATI GPU
01-Apr-2016 22:26:23 [SETI@home] Scheduler request completed: got 5 new tasks

I got 5 AP in one request!? Weird...
810) Message boards : Number crunching : Radeon Software Crimson (Message 1775736)
Posted 2 Apr 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

I have been having trouble getting decent RAC with my latest build, FX-8370 with 2 Fury Nanos (powercolor). Both cards have an average loading of about 55%, where my single Fury X system is at about 85%. The RAC of the dual Nano system is significantly lower than the single Fury X. I have tried Crimson 15.12 and the latest 16.3.2, with no difference. I have tried many CPU/GPU per app configurations. I get errors with more than 1 per GPU, so I have settled with 1 task to 1 CPU and 1 GPU. Just curious if you faced this issue and how you overcame it for your 4 Fury X system.


I have posted a video summarizing my findings so far. Still struggling with getting significant loading on my dual Fury system.
https://youtu.be/LqO1yvRMBGQ

Something to take note of the R9 290X is based on GCN 1.1 & Fury are based on GCN 1.2.

Whenever you are running a system with multi GPUs have you checked the Crossfire option in the driver? Perhaps it is being turned on automatically and slowing things down.

Some things I might try:
-Pairing the R9 290X & HD 7870 to see if the same lower utilization effect occurs.
-Run only 1 of the GPUs in a multi GPU configuration to see if the utilization is the same as when multi GPUs are running.
-Run with 0 CPU tasks.
811) Message boards : Number crunching : Anything relating to AstroPulse tasks (Message 1775689)
Posted 2 Apr 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
A few are being split and once again I'm not getting any.

The splitters are just running through them, producing nothing. Those files has been crunched before, so there was no need to so split them, and send out any WU's again.

Edit: By the looks of things the last 6 months or so, AP is put on the back burner, for the foreseeable future. We might as well give up on any hope that we will see a reliable feed of AP's, until they have re crunched MB from previous years, with MB v8. That could take a very long time, depending upon how far back they decide to go.

So, goodbye AP.

Or at the very very least.. until we start getting a reasonably steady supply of Green Bank tapes. I assume we're going to be running through those with MB and AP, given that the DB and the apps had to be updated to handle data from places other than Arecibo.

So I think once we start getting GBT data coming in (maybe it's been coming in, but being stock-piled for the time being), APs will probably flow pretty steadily.

And I think the high demand for those will go away once the random number generator gets tamed and there stops being such a disparity between MB and AP in regards to credits/hour.

Was AP v7 build with GBT data considerations, or would we need AP v8 for that as well?
812) Message boards : Number crunching : Help understanding how this might have happened. (Message 1775677)
Posted 2 Apr 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Will do, though I primarily have used PC Power and Cooling PSU's over the years, and they are built quite well, single rail, etc, but I will give the specs the once over just to see if anything glaring stands out. Actually, my first catastrophic failure of a PSU _Ever_ happened a couple weeks ago, using a EVGA 1000w Platinum power supply. It was about 2 years old, but new in the shrink wrap, pulled off the shelf, hooked it all up, turned it on, and heard a couple of pops that sounded like .22s being shot.

Shocked the hell out of me, dove for the power switch, and unplugged it. Swapped in a new PCP&C that I have here, and it sort of looks like it was trying to boot, lights flashing, DVD drive spinning up, but no display. Pulled everything off of that board and put it all on a new one, and it booted up normally, thank god, so it just fried part of my motherboard. Of course, EVGA will do nothing for me about that, and as these boards are 5 years old (though still new in their anti-static bags), Intel will do nothing either, but they aren't all that expensive. If this had happened on my new rig, and any of the mfgs whose parts were bad wouldn't replace them like EVGA assured me they would, there would be a whole lot of trouble.

So, needless to say I'm not all that high on them right now, though their RMA process went well, they pre-shipped the new one out with a return label so I didn't have to pay for it, and the new one seems to be working fine so far. We'll see how it goes long term, but I think I will most likely stick with PCP&C from now on, not one failure in about 20 or so years of using them. Hard to argue with a record like that, and I have some 10+ year old ones just plugging away. They are a little more expensive initially, but I feel they're worth it, especially from the experience I just had, and provide rock solid clean power.

Depending on which model of PSU you have bought from PC Power and Cooling it came from one of several different manufactures. You might like reading this list http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/power-supply-psu-brands,3762-8.html.
813) Message boards : Number crunching : Help understanding how this might have happened. (Message 1775564)
Posted 1 Apr 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Oh, I've read that PSU's perform most efficently at higher loads, that is why you don't want to overbuy on your power supply. I believe I had read that at PCP&C's website a few years ago, as well as on a number of reviews of power supplies over the years....///...



Every PSU has its "sweet spot" - frequently this is around the 80% load. The data sheets for your PSUs should give a plot of load vs. efficiency, if they don't then they are not a "good" types of PSU. It is POSSIBLE, but very expensive, to design a PSU that is efficient over a wide range, we did one a few years back that was >90% over all but the 0-15% load range, and basically "flat" at about 92% over the 60% to 90% load range. But I don't think you'd like the price tag....

I'm going to guess that it was an industrial PSU? ;-) And these results have me wondering, maybe I can run 3 of these systems off of one of these PSU's? It is a 1000w unit, and wouldn't be nearly breaking a sweat. One thing I may have to do though, to avoid a possibility of having stacking resistance problems in the connectors, is to get a new 24 pin MB power cable from the PSU mfg (since it's modular) that I can cut the end off of, and then solder the 3 extension leads on to each wire of the new cable. Otherwise I will have 2 Y cables in one direction, and that would be a bad thing I would think. One more project to add to the list.

Three might work but before you do that remember to check the ratings for each output on the supply. Typically PSU manufactures only increase the 12v section of the PSU at higher power ratings. As they are expecting users to be running many large GPUs. Which use the PSUs 12v from the PCIe connections. Most of the rest of the systems is running from the 5v and 3.3v sections of the PSU. Normally they max out in the 100-120w range.
That is one of the reasons I was suggesting the PICOpsu devices previously. As they can be feed with 12v. Which is where the bulk of the power comes from in a large PSU.
814) Message boards : Number crunching : Task prioritization. (Message 1775563)
Posted 1 Apr 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The easy solution is to set a cache of 4 days + 0.01 days.

You will never run out of work, and tasks will be reported in a timely fashion.

Their system runs tasks in about 4 hours & has 8 cores. So that's about 48 tasks a day. Their cache seems to hold steady around 25 tasks. So they don't really ever have more than 12 hours of work on hand at any given time.
That is without figuring in their GPU which runs tasks in about an hour.
815) Message boards : Number crunching : Task prioritization. (Message 1775496)
Posted 1 Apr 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
HAL9000 wrote:

Given the speed that your computer completes tasks. I would expect tasks are finished long before running into deadlines.

Perhaps. But less than an hour ago (while my computer was running a task with a 5/27 deadline), BOINC downloaded a task whose deadline was 4/21. So, it's pretty apparent the server doesn't even release tasks for work based on deadline dates ... much less prioritizes them so the tasks are completed in that order.

Oh, well ... their project, not mine. It just seems a peculiar way to do things.

As I just said in the previous post.

Deadlines are determined by how much estimated processing is required to complete the task.
816) Message boards : Number crunching : Task prioritization. (Message 1775492)
Posted 1 Apr 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Darth Beaver wrote:

Update your client it has been fixed

Not in v7.6.22 (the latest version). I just updated to it. If anything, it's gotten worse - running tasks whose deadline is near the end of May when I have April tasks untouched.

HAL9000 wrote:

If you want to force BOINC to run by deadline instead of FIFO then you can increase the value of Store at least X days of work in your settings.

Well, I don't really want to "force" anything. It just seems a bit idiotic to run a task deadlined for 5/22 when a task deadlined for 4/20 sits untouched. Hopefully, in the future, the BOINC R&D people will address the issue.

Deadlines are determined by how much estimated processing is required to complete the task. Tasks that require less processing time are given a shorter deadline. They do not have a shorter deadline because they are more important in some way.

FIFO is pretty much a standard way to handle things. Not just BOINC but how much of the world actually functions. As I indicated you can tell BOINC to operate by deadline if you like. It does mean that if you have a batch of normal task & get more tasks that have a shorter deadline. Then BOINC would suspend the current tasks in progress and switch to the new tasks meditatively.
Another option you may consider is to view only actives task in BOINC Manager. Then you wouldn't have to see tasks not being processed in the order you prefer.

Given the speed that your computer completes tasks. I would expect tasks are finished long before running into deadlines.
817) Message boards : Number crunching : No AMD GPU Tasks? (Message 1775471)
Posted 1 Apr 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thanks :)

The 'setiathome_v8' GPU tasks appear fine, displaying as:
Running (0.04 CPUs + 0.5 AMD/ATI GPUs)

The occasional Astropulse tasks look odd, since they at displaying 0.5 CPU 1.0 GPU, and I thought they should be 0.5/0.5.

Been awhile since I configured this, so not remembering :)

For the GUI to update correctly you will have to restart BOINC.

Have you set BOINC to only use 6 CPUs to give the GPU app the CPU time they need or for other reasons? The app_config.xml setting <cpu_usage> does that as well. If you were to get a load of AP tasks currently your system would run 3 CPU tasks and 6 GPU tasks. Using a value like 0.335 with all 8 CPU cores enabled would give you 6 CPU & 6 GPU tasks all the time.
818) Message boards : Number crunching : Question on EVGA GTX650ti (Message 1775466)
Posted 1 Apr 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
You mean like when the clock changes for Daylight Saving Time? Which happened recently. I can't say I have ever seen BOINC kill apps when the time or date changes.

BOINC keeps track of all all times in UTC internally, and only applies a time zone offset when needed for user display. So, a DST change automatically applied by the OS doesn't affect BOINC at all: if you run any of the (many) projects which set their deadlines to an integral number of days, you can see the hour's shift showing up in task deadlines in the days and weeks leading up to a clock change.

BOINC doesn't like if if you change the real underlying system clock, rather than just the TZ offset - especially if you move the clock back to an earlier time. That used to be a big problem in the days of Windows 95/98/XP, when it was too easy to change the system date from the clock in the system tray. Bored office workers planning their holidays or looking forward to the next colleague's birthday party caused endless problems.....

(I had a Boss once who kept putting customer orders into the database several weeks in the future. All the official order-takers had their computers locked down solid - by me - but the Boss needed an administrative account...)

I've seen this type of message in BOINC rather often New system time (1459473685) < old system time (1459475125); clearing timeouts. I was thinking it happened at DST, but it is only when the system clock changes. I did notice there is only a New system time message when the clock is set backward. Perhaps that is only due to the clearing timeout message?

If the systems time were off by day/week BOINC could abort tasks thinking they have missed their deadline. Probably the phrasing of saying a clock change would cause BOINC to exit the apps is what my brain got hung up on. Which is in a way correct if BOINC has aborted all of the tasks for the app.

In the Win 9x era I, on more than one occasion, nerfed my system time opening from the trey. Which really annoyed me because I've been oddly fixated with having the correct time. Which started when I was rather little before we even had a computer at home.
819) Message boards : Number crunching : Help understanding how this might have happened. (Message 1775457)
Posted 1 Apr 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Other file that I'm not sure are needed are.
sched_reply_*.xml
sched_request_*.xml

Those are created afresh at each scheduler connect - requesting new work, reporting complete work, or simply shaking hands (some projects request that periodically). You only ever have one pair of files per project, so it's hardly worth deleting them - unless you know a project is going to be dormant for a long time. In which case, you may as well detach from it.

Good to know. I had not bothered to look into what they were for as of yet. I did notice a few large ones in the mix. Guess that means some projects are just a bit more chatty when they shake hands than others.

I also replace notices\*.xml with 0 byte files that are marked read only. Since I use an older BOINC Manager with the messages tab & no notices.
820) Message boards : Number crunching : Question on EVGA GTX650ti (Message 1775394)
Posted 31 Mar 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Can't figure it out. I came down to check on the computer and it was running the one wu with no trouble...

If the computer clock/time go back tasks (app processes) stop (exit) but BOINC continue to show them "Running"
(at least this happens on BOINC 6.10.58 (and less), I don't know if this happens on current versions of BOINC)

Usually the scenario is:
- computer clock go too fast and after some time is too far in the future
- then Windows syncs time (from CMOS or Internet) to the correct (= for all programs this looks like "go back in time")

In this case:
- tasks (app processes) stop (exit) after 30 seconds
- BOINC continue to show them "Running"

- BOINC restarts the tasks after the "missing" time period expires


Can somebody test this on new BOINC?
E.g. set the computer clock 3 minutes back (and wait/look what happens in the next 5 minutes)
 

You mean like when the clock changes for Daylight Saving Time? Which happened recently. I can't say I have ever seen BOINC kill apps when the time or date changes.
821) Message boards : Number crunching : Help understanding how this might have happened. (Message 1775392)
Posted 31 Mar 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thanks, I will try it again, I didn't do the app_config file, that is probably what caused it not to work. I'll copy them over now and see how it goes. And thanks for the date thought, I hadn't thought of that. Will there be any issues with me deleting that file you mentioned and letting the software rebuild it?

The stats file is only for the BOINC client to generate a nice little graph for you to look at. On many of my hosts I had then delete it as part of their start up along with several others files

Ok, now I'm curious, which files do you delete on startup, and why? Does it run more stable, or more efficiently?


On a host that is going to do nothing but sit and crunch I don't don't need most of the logged data.

For those hosts the startup .bat for BOINC includes.
del http*.* /q <-- Sometimes left over when file transfers get stuck.
del job_log_*.txt /q <-- This is a log of every task the machine has done.
del statistics_*.xml /q <-- I don't need stats that I am never going to look at.
del time_stats_log /q <-- I forget why I get rid of this file.
del *.old /q <-- I don't need the old log files.

Other file that I'm not sure are needed are.
sched_reply_*.xml
sched_request_*.xml

For my main systems where I might need some of that information for debugging I only use.
del http*.* /q
del time_stats_log /q
822) Message boards : Number crunching : Lunatics Help (Message 1775390)
Posted 31 Mar 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
CPU detection seems good on my Pentium M







Installer 0.44a still has Multibeam misspelled as Mutlibeam when selecting CUDA & iGPU apps.
823) Message boards : Number crunching : Lunatics Help (Message 1775338)
Posted 31 Mar 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
247 /* 6/9 (pentium-m "banias"), 6/13 (pentium-m "dothan"), and 6/14 (core1 "yonah")
248 * theoretically support sse2, but it's significantly slower than mmx for
249 * almost all of x264's functions, so let's just pretend they don't. */

I've now got a bench report back from Mr. Kevvy, with a very clear outcome:

SSE2 is indeed poor on that chip, with our apps especially at VLAR and VHAR. Base SSE is even worse - which somewhat vindicates the author of that comment.

But SSE3 is running well, significantly faster than stock at all ARs and with good Q.

So I'll see what I can do to make the detection work normally on this hardware too. Anyone still running a banias or a pentium-m we could test?

I still have a Pentium M, Dothan, notebook. It is limited to SSE & SSE2.

May I FTP you a win32 installer for testing, please? I now have one which should detect and report CPU capabilities accurately on those CPUs (full gory details of that saga on application, later).

I'm game. Do you need a secure place to send it? I made an account on my server for lunatics use several years ago when the kwsn site was having issues. I'll have to see if I can find the password for the account.
824) Message boards : Number crunching : Help understanding how this might have happened. (Message 1775335)
Posted 31 Mar 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Did you perhaps run the 32-bit lunatics installer on the other host? That could explain why none of files in the app_info.xml were found on start.
825) Message boards : Number crunching : Help understanding how this might have happened. (Message 1775317)
Posted 31 Mar 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thanks, I will try it again, I didn't do the app_config file, that is probably what caused it not to work. I'll copy them over now and see how it goes. And thanks for the date thought, I hadn't thought of that. Will there be any issues with me deleting that file you mentioned and letting the software rebuild it?

The stats file is only for the BOINC client to generate a nice little graph for you to look at. On many of my hosts I had then delete it as part of their start up along with several others files
826) Message boards : Number crunching : Help understanding how this might have happened. (Message 1775315)
Posted 31 Mar 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Oh, and in one other unrelated piece of good news for me, this is the 1st time I've tried using my 24 pin MB and 4 pin CPU splitter cables, running these 2 systems together. I wasn't sure exactly how it would go, but it seems that, other than having to hit the power buttons simultaneously on both to get them both to boot, everything seems to work somewhat normally.

And the best news is, as I have the PSU hooked up through a Kill-a-watt meter, these systems, running X3380 CPU's and 950Ti video cards, with everything (fans, ect) hooked up, only draws around 300 watts when crunching. Sometimes a little more (325-330), but overall in that neighborhood. I know that they aren't 980Ti's, that might make wee a bit of a difference, but those Xeons aren't the most power efficient, so I feel better about being able to run maybe 550-600 watt power supplies in these dual system setups, because PSU's run most efficently at between 75-90% of rated capacity. Yaay!

Do you have to use two power switches? When I was running two MBs with one PSU I only had to hit the power switch on one MB. Then the 2nd one would come on slightly after the first.

Most computer PSUs are have their peak efficient near 50% load, but if they are 80 PLUS certified the difference isn't that great from 50-90%
827) Message boards : Number crunching : Help understanding how this might have happened. (Message 1775311)
Posted 31 Mar 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The BOINC fora doesn't have a facility for uploading images. Other than for your profile. So you will have to use an external image hosting service. Personally I like imgur.

From how you described the stats on that host it sounds exactly like what happens when the date gets moved forward and back. If you want to try modifying the statistics_PROJECT.xml you can might be able to sort out what happened. or you can delete the file to start over with a non borked one.

If you are having issues with duplicate machines not running the same config I would suggest copying the cc_config.xml, app_info.xml, & app_config.xml form the working machine and restarting BOINC.
When I run multiple identical machines I pick one to be the master where I modify the settings. Then use a .bat to deploy its config to the others.
828) Message boards : Number crunching : Lunatics Help (Message 1775307)
Posted 31 Mar 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
247 /* 6/9 (pentium-m "banias"), 6/13 (pentium-m "dothan"), and 6/14 (core1 "yonah")
248 * theoretically support sse2, but it's significantly slower than mmx for
249 * almost all of x264's functions, so let's just pretend they don't. */

I've now got a bench report back from Mr. Kevvy, with a very clear outcome:

SSE2 is indeed poor on that chip, with our apps especially at VLAR and VHAR. Base SSE is even worse - which somewhat vindicates the author of that comment.

But SSE3 is running well, significantly faster than stock at all ARs and with good Q.

So I'll see what I can do to make the detection work normally on this hardware too. Anyone still running a banias or a pentium-m we could test?

I still have a Pentium M, Dothan, notebook. It is limited to SSE & SSE2.
829) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (102) Server Problems? (Message 1775304)
Posted 31 Mar 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I wonder if:

centurion: Intel Server (2 x hexa-core 3.4GHz Xeon, 512 GB RAM)

might not be a replacement master database in the making to get NTPKR underway?

Cheers.

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=78899&postid=1774702#1774702

They previously indicated, in one of the youtube videos, that they are working on doing NTPKR via cloud computing using amazons services.
830) Message boards : Number crunching : Anything relating to AstroPulse tasks (Message 1775022)
Posted 30 Mar 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Well Marvin is online now and AP are flowing.

Now it's just a matter of snagging some now that there were hardly any left out in the field and everyone wants them.

Yep. They are slowing coming in.
Total number of work requests: 107
Number of requests gaining work: 5
Number of requests not gaining work: 102
Number of times no work was requested: 0
Number of tasks gained: 9

Tasks per request percent and count: Total
0 tasks: 95 %, 102
1 tasks: 1 %, 2
2 tasks: 1 %, 2
3 tasks: 0 %, 1

Tasks per request percent and count: Only when work assigned
1 tasks: 40 %, 2
2 tasks: 40 %, 2
3 tasks: 20 %, 1
831) Message boards : Number crunching : Question on EVGA GTX650ti (Message 1775020)
Posted 30 Mar 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hal,

Can't figure it out. I came down to check on the computer and it was running the one wu with no trouble. I returned it to running 3 and it is now doing that with no trouble. I can only figure that either some hardware is going bad or I had a glitch in the system and it is clear now.

I did go into the bios and looked around. I did check on the gpu pci-e and made sure it was set properly and then saved and rebooted.

I did experienced a few lock-ups of the system before this odd occurrence reared it's ugly head. Now running three wu's and temp is 56c and usage is 65-90% so things are back to normal for now.

Thanks for explaining the .04cpu, I had no idea, I just figured it needed that much cpu for the wu to run on the gpu....stupid me.

Thanks for now! I hope this adventure is over but if it is not, I'll be sure to look you up again. BTW, all the work showed up in the task manager. By the time I got to the GPUz, the machine had locked up and when I rebooted everything was working fine again.

Maybe the driver crashed & recovered? That normally results in tasks running very quickly and generating all errors... so I don't know. If it happens again maybe just give the system a cold boot and see what it does from there.

Many get get confused on the CPU portion of GPU tasks. Normally asking why their tasks don't run faster when they increase the value for it.
832) Message boards : Number crunching : Anything relating to AstroPulse tasks (Message 1775006)
Posted 30 Mar 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Well Marvin is online now and AP are flowing.
833) Message boards : Number crunching : Question on EVGA GTX650ti (Message 1775005)
Posted 29 Mar 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Suddenly my gpu is not functioning as it was. I am running a gadget called GPU Meter and it shows that the GPU Clock is at 928MHz but that the usage is at 0%. Normally it is bouncing around at about 70 to 90 percent. I have changed nothing and not even done any MS updates lately. I've suspended a few of the wu to see if another would run and I have the same results.

I had had the cfg file set to run 3 tasks at a time and that wasn't working so I changed it to 2 tasks with the same results. Now I have it at one task and still nothing. If it weren't for the .04 cpu, the wu would never progress at all.

I've checked to make sure that everything is clean and the temp is running at 45C which is about 10 to 15 degrees cooler than normal.

Does anyone have any ideas what might be wrong?

Allen

Are you saying that you have no GPU tasks running or there is 1 when there should be more? The 0% load on the GPU would seem to indicate you have no tasks running.
If you have any tasks running on the GPU. Then you might want to start by opening Task Manager and check the Processes tab to make sure the app is actually running.
If it is you might want to try GPUz and see what it displays for the GPU usage. Maybe your gadget is broken.

When you see Running (0.04 CPU + 1 GPU) that doesn't mean the CPU is being used. The 0.04 is a percentage of CPU time the BOINC client uses when deciding how much work to request.
834) Message boards : Number crunching : Completely Wack Duplicated WU (Message 1774975)
Posted 29 Mar 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Sounds like a GUI hiccup. You might try updating to the current released version of the BOINC client.
835) Message boards : Number crunching : Radeon Software Crimson (Message 1774974)
Posted 29 Mar 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
FYI

Crimson 16.3.2 - (NO Hotfix/Beta) is available...

http://support.amd.com/en-us/kb-articles/Pages/AMD-Radeon-Software-Crimson-Edition-16-3-2.aspx

;-)

I had a BSOD on the first boot after installation with my R9 390X. So I revered back and figured I would try 16.3.2 again later when I had more caffeine in me.
836) Message boards : Number crunching : Task prioritization. (Message 1774973)
Posted 29 Mar 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I'm currently using BOINC 7.6.6. I'm wondering if, in future versions, users will be able to prioritize tasks based on the deadline date ... or if the software will do that prioritization for users. You'd think that tasks closest to their deadline date would be run "before" others. But they don't - at least not on my machine. And I can't figure out what logic the software uses to select the order in which tasks are started.

If you want to force BOINC to run by deadline instead of FIFO then you can increase the value of Store at least X days of work in your settings.
837) Message boards : Number crunching : Lunatics Help (Message 1774971)
Posted 29 Mar 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:


this line is how much of the cpu to use

<avg_ncpus>0.2</avg_ncpus> 0.2 = 20% , 0.5 = 50% any more than 0.5 and you will use more than 1 core for 2 units and you may be better using 0.49



. . I am not quite sure about that relationship. Does it mean that a value of 1.0 assigns once CPU core per task? And so 0.5 (or 0.49) will run 2 tasks per CPU core. Or is it that a value 0.2 assigns 1/5th of the total CPU cores available to each task, and so runs 5 concurrent CPU tasks?

Here are some examples of app_config.xml settings.
Running 1 task per GPU & reserving 1 CPU core per GPU task.
<app>
	<name>setiathome_v8</name>
	<gpu_versions>
		<gpu_usage>1.0</gpu_usage>
		<cpu_usage>1.0</cpu_usage>
	</gpu_versions>
</app>
For a system with 1 GPUs: 1 GPU tasks would run & 1 CPU cores would be reserved.
For a system with 2 GPUs: 2 GPU tasks would run & 2 CPU cores would be reserved.


Running 1 task per GPU & reserving .5 CPU core per GPU task.
<app>
	<name>setiathome_v8</name>
	<gpu_versions>
		<gpu_usage>1.0</gpu_usage>
		<cpu_usage>0.5</cpu_usage>
	</gpu_versions>
</app>
For a system with 1 GPUs: 1 GPU tasks would run & 0 CPU cores would be reserved.
For a system with 2 GPUs: 2 GPU tasks would run & 1 CPU cores would be reserved.


Running 2 task per GPU & reserving .5 CPU core per GPU task.
<app>
	<name>setiathome_v8</name>
	<gpu_versions>
		<gpu_usage>0.5</gpu_usage>
		<cpu_usage>0.5</cpu_usage>
	</gpu_versions>
</app>
For a system with 1 GPUs: 2 GPU tasks would run & 1 CPU cores would be reserved.
For a system with 2 GPUs: 4 GPU tasks would run & 2 CPU cores would be reserved.


Running 2 task per GPU & reserving .25 CPU core per GPU task.
<app>
	<name>setiathome_v8</name>
	<gpu_versions>
		<gpu_usage>0.5</gpu_usage>
		<cpu_usage>0.25</cpu_usage>
	</gpu_versions>
</app>
For a system with 1 GPUs: 2 GPU tasks would run & 0 CPU cores would be reserved.
For a system with 2 GPUs: 4 GPU tasks would run & 1 CPU cores would be reserved.
838) Message boards : Number crunching : Lunatics Help (Message 1774966)
Posted 29 Mar 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
. . Scanning over those threads I notice you mentioned variations is clocking. This reminded me of a funny thing I observed. When running a mix of CPU and GPU tasks the timer in BOINC manager was running 33% faster for the GPU task than for the 3 MB tasks. After restarting, all four WU's kicked off together. The timers for the MBs stayed in sync but the timer the GPU task kept moving further and further ahead. After observing this I watched it for a while at any given point the elapsed time for the GPU task was 33% ahead of the MD tasks. That made wonder how that timing is performed. I presumed that it would be sampling the system clock, but now I assume it is running timer routines for itself.

Are you saying that the elapsed time for the GPU task was running faster than the CPU takes? So after 3 minutes of elapsed time for the CPU tasks the GPU task displayed 4 minutes?

The times and numbers displayed in BOINC Manager while tasks are running have been known to be a bit wonky, but I don't think I've heard of that kind of situation.



. . Another "D'oh!" moment coming up. I have to confess I was surprised by the exact ratio of the clock rate difference.

. . I have been going over the error outputs in the result files and discovered at the very end of the files is a line about "elapsed time on the wall clock since last restart" which funnily enough corresponds to the actual elapsed time for the task even though the times given in the summary at the top show 20% less. Then it dawned on me. It is due to the CPU duty cycle I have set in Boinc preferences. I was running the CPU's at 80% load and this causes the Boinc timers to only register 80% of the elapsed time. I have now set it to 100% and will be checking for future tasks, I fully expect them to tally from now on. I was afraid running the CPU duty cycle at 100% would render the PC unusable for anything else but it is now running at 100% and as I type this I am not noticing any problem. As I said at the beginning, ... "D'oh!"

.

OK that adds some clarity to your issue. Running a reduced duty cycles when trying to get accurate app run times is not exactly the easiest thing to do. That features also confuses some people. Thinking they apps will only run at whatever % is set. Rather than off/on at a rate to average their desired usage.

I typically only use the times specified on the website for the tasks. Given the odd natures of the BOINC Manager display sometimes. For example. When running Milkyway tasks on my R9 380X they take about 36 seconds to complete. I have watched the display update the progress and remaining time, but only record 6-10 seconds of elapsed time. When the task is reported it displays 36 seconds in the reported data.
839) Message boards : Number crunching : Ok, I'm a little confused. (Message 1774873)
Posted 29 Mar 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The version of PCIe isn't terribly important for SETI@home work. Even using a x4 slot has been shown to have a very minor effect. I'm sure there are other vendors that have PCIe 3 backplanes or maybe even that vendor might in other configurations. My goal with something like that would just be a large quantity of GPUs. For the ridiculousness of it.
Really $1500 isn't a lot for a single Xeon CPU. Some SBCs can run that much for the bare board. For top end Xeon CPUs you can easily spend $6,000-7,000 per CPU.

The specs on Intel's site can be a bit misleading at times. They often don't include details about some products. So when comparing them it can seem like one product doesn't have a feature. When you see an entry that is blank it means there was no info for that detail entered. Not that it doesn't support the feature.

Intel implemented thermal throttling in their CPUs in either the Pentium II/Pentium III era and have continued to do since then.

VT-d isn't anything you would need to worry about for crunching unless you were setting up a VM box & wanted to have real GPUs for the VM guests. That features also requires the chipset & BIOS to support the feature in order to actually use it.
The i7-860 I have in my VMWare box does support VT-d, but the P55 chipset does not. I was hoping to I would be able to use that features. So I could place different GPUs in the system and then add them to different guest VMs for quick testing/troubleshooting.
840) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (102) Server Problems? (Message 1774800)
Posted 28 Mar 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
There are two stages in "reporting" a task, first is sending the data to the servers, this is normally done as soon as the task is completed. The second stage, the "report" stage takes place on the next scheduled contact, among other things this is a confirmation that you sent the data back and not somebody pretending to be to be you. Tasks are removed from your "in progress" list once both stages have been completed correctly.
Frustrating? - It can be, but you get used to it....

Rob, thanx for the explanation, this is the first time in the "short" time I have been with project where I have heard why uploading also requires reporting.

It gets recycled to the top of the discussion heap periodically - not so often now that we're using modern, faster, servers and have a decent comms link.

Here's one example from 2007

The significant point from that discussion is that it is efficient, in database terms, to upload the files one at a time (that's a simple transfer, no DB access required), but to save then up and do the database work - the reporting - in a batch.

Rom Walton (BOINC Developer) got so annoyed at people like me discussing 'Report Results Immediately' (as the non-batched process is called) that he wrote a blog with some idea of the processes involved.

BOINC Client: The evils of 'Returning Results Immediately'

I wonder if the client will get a <min_tasks_reported>#</min_tasks_reported> config to go along with <max_tasks_reported>#</max_tasks_reported>, or perhaps that would be more of a server side setting to reduce db load.
841) Message boards : Number crunching : AMD 280x cards on i7 920 (Message 1774750)
Posted 28 Mar 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I got these puppies going and am really happy with the results.
ID: 7950668
Details | Tasks

Cross-project stats:

BOINCstats.com Free-DC DESKTOP-1K5GLTG home 24,459.13 360,112 7.6.22 AuthenticAMD
AMD A10-5800K APU with Radeon(tm) HD Graphics [Family 21 Model 16 Stepping 1]
(4 processors) [2] AMD AMD Radeon HD 7870/7950/7970/R9 280/R9 280X series (Tahiti) (3072MB) driver: 1.4.1848 OpenCL: 1.2 Microsoft Windows 10

Enterprise x64 Edition, (10.00.10586.00)

I would have expected run times under 10 min. But if you are running more than 1 task per GPU 14-15 min is probably pretty much where they should be.

Is it bad to run more then one task on these GPUs. When I checked the load the GPUs were sitting at 70%, thats why I made them work on multiples.

Running more than one task is only a problem if it causes less work to get done, or nothing is gained. My HD6870's were happy to run two tasks at once. They just ran them twice as slow and consumed more power in the process. So only a higher electric bill for the exact same amount of work done.
If, when you were only running single takes, normal AR tasks were taking less than 8 min you might be in the same position I was with my 6870's.
842) Message boards : Number crunching : Using an old server with Xeon chips (Message 1774740)
Posted 28 Mar 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Currently, I have a stack of s/h laptops I have bought off eBay crunching SETI@home.
Some of the top users have units with Xeon chips which are presumably old server units. How does one set this up?
Someone also suggested having a server and then have the laptops plugged into that? How would that help rather than having the laptops connected to my router at home?
TIA
George

I believe many of the top hosts have Xeon CPUs instead of the standard desktop processors is due to the extra i/o to support more GPUs. The current High End Desktop Processors also offer extra i/o. As they are really just rebranded Xeon CPUs.

A server isn't required to have Xeon processors. Workstations also come in one or two CPU socket configurations for Xeon CPUs. However setting one up is no different than any other computer. Boot the OS install media, supply the right drivers for the hardware, and you are off.

When you say 'plug the laptops into the server' I'm guessing you mean to make a separate network or something along those lines? Otherwise if you were to get a server just to be another cruncher. It could go on your current network like any PC.

Depending on what you have as a end goal getting an old server or workstation may or may not be what you want to get.
843) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (102) Server Problems? (Message 1774695)
Posted 28 Mar 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Sorry for OT but why "server status" page is this computer: centurion: Intel Server (2 x hexa-core 3.4GHz Xeon, 512 GB RAM)?

It is part of hosts but is is not listed under server status list.

I don't know when that system snuck on the list. With 512GB of RAM perhaps it could be destined for, or already is, performing database duties.
844) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (102) Server Problems? (Message 1774694)
Posted 28 Mar 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
On the plus side the server status doesn't seem to be stuck any longer. However pretty much everything is currently disabled.
Someone may have popped in remotely, or gotten an alert, and disabled everything. That way they can dig into it in the morning and see what is going on. Instead of spending the rest of their holiday weekending trying to figure out what is going on.
845) Message boards : News : Main web server crash / migration. (Message 1774691)
Posted 28 Mar 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I've not received any work since about 19FEB. I understand a data server crashed and that it was back online within days yet I'm high and dry.

I also read that v7 work units would be ending. How does one verify what version of S@home he is actually running. I see version numbers in the boinc_client and boinc manager but these don't reference any seti versions?

Also, when running headless machines, how might I check on the progress of headless machines from a ssh session?

thanks
ElectronHerder
Birmingham, AL

In BOINC Manager you may need to switch to the advanced view. Then from the tasks tab there is an Application column that has the version number of the application.
Also you can look at the list of tasks assigned to the machine on the website, if running stock applications, to see the application version.

On a headless machine you can use the output from boinccmd, either --get_state or --get_tasks, to get the status of running tasks.
846) Message boards : Number crunching : Ok, I'm a little confused. (Message 1774630)
Posted 28 Mar 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
This is along the lines of what I was thinking for a system with a crazy number of GPUs.
https://www.picmg.org/spec-product/bpg8032-pci-express-backplane/
847) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (102) Server Problems? (Message 1774629)
Posted 28 Mar 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
It is true something went down, we probably won't be able to report until well after 9:00 AM PDT or as the rest of the world calls it 16:00 GMT.

Depending on why the system is running in maintenance mode & if they know what is going on. Everything could be back online very quickly or maybe we will have maintenance on Monday instead of Tuesday this week. It has happened a few times before.

Personally I don't listen to the people in Greenwich when they say what time it is & I won't be driven to by peer pressure!. They haven't been a scientific standard for decades. :P
848) Message boards : Number crunching : Nvidia driver versions vs. performance (Message 1774608)
Posted 28 Mar 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Then there must be some other advantage to using the newer drivers.

Game support.
99% of driver updates are for game support/game bug fixes. The other 1% is for new hardware or OS support.

I was thinking more as to why the top crunchers are using the newer drivers. Many of them are dedicated 24/7 crunching hosts. So if the newer drivers are slower why would they be using them.


I am not a top cruncher and I cannot speak for everyone, but for me I assumed newer is better with improved performance and more bug fixes. Silly me. Now that I have been shown the error of my ways, I am trying an older driver.

I plan to do my own testing. Because who knows what variables may be in play that cause one drivers to be faster or slower on any given system. Had you not made a post I wouldn't even have grabbed 337.88. As it is beyond the limit of 20 that Nvidia displays, but is still active if you ask "the google" where Nvidia has hidden it.


I hope you will share your findings. :)

No one shall ever know my secrets!

I should be able to toss the results of offline test runs into a table for each driver I use. Along with all of the system info & various settings.
849) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (102) Server Problems? (Message 1774592)
Posted 28 Mar 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Ah well, now the SSP is stuck at [As of 27 Mar 2016, 16:30:05 UTC]
That usually means that something bad will happen soon :-(

Batten the hatches, we may be going down....


28/03/2016 01:03:12 | SETI@home | Project is temporarily shut down for maintenance
Looking in my logs it looks like I first got that at 2016/03/28 23:49 UTC, or about 4:49PM Berkeley time. Maybe Jeff or Eric popped in and have given things a kick or some of the automated things are going into self preservation mode.
850) Message boards : Number crunching : Nvidia driver versions vs. performance (Message 1774584)
Posted 27 Mar 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Then there must be some other advantage to using the newer drivers.

Game support.
99% of driver updates are for game support/game bug fixes. The other 1% is for new hardware or OS support.

I was thinking more as to why the top crunchers are using the newer drivers. Many of them are dedicated 24/7 crunching hosts. So if the newer drivers are slower why would they be using them.


I am not a top cruncher and I cannot speak for everyone, but for me I assumed newer is better with improved performance and more bug fixes. Silly me. Now that I have been shown the error of my ways, I am trying an older driver.

I plan to do my own testing. Because who knows what variables may be in play that cause one drivers to be faster or slower on any given system. Had you not made a post I wouldn't even have grabbed 337.88. As it is beyond the limit of 20 that Nvidia displays, but is still active if you ask "the google" where Nvidia has hidden it.
851) Message boards : Number crunching : Ok, I'm a little confused. (Message 1774581)
Posted 27 Mar 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
TL, no worries, I'll prob put them up on Fleabay, between the 2 sets I can get probably 2-4 of the chips that actually work on my systems, which I already have the memory and such for. Jravin, thanks for the suggestion, would be interesting, but then I'd need to buy the whole shebang.

I have another system that I am putting together, and if Petri releases his magical BOINC configuration to the rest of the world, it would be a perfect candidate for it. It's going to be a multiple card setups, one of those proof of concepts, and I don't think windows would play nicely with that many video cards. Does anyone know the physical(?) limit on video cards in Windows Vista Ultimate or even 7 Ultimate?

So far I think we have only seen people hit the physical/mechanical limits of a system for GPUs. Having 8 GPUs from 4 dual GPU cards is no problem. Some people with extended ATX boards have 5 or 6 single GPUs in their system. I think a few years ago someone used PCIe extension cables and had 7 single GPUs in one system.

Depending on how much power the GPUs use there will be a point of diminishing return. Where it would be more cost effective to have a 2nd machine for more GPUs.

I still think it would be fun to get a 20 slot passive backplane chassis and fill it with lower powered GPUs just to have a machine with an absurd number of GPUs.
852) Message boards : Number crunching : Nvidia driver versions vs. performance (Message 1774577)
Posted 27 Mar 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Then there must be some other advantage to using the newer drivers.

Game support.
99% of driver updates are for game support/game bug fixes. The other 1% is for new hardware or OS support.

I was thinking more as to why the top crunchers are using the newer drivers. Many of them are dedicated 24/7 crunching hosts. So if the newer drivers are slower why would they be using them.
853) Message boards : Number crunching : Anything relating to AstroPulse tasks (Message 1774333)
Posted 27 Mar 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Perhaps they disabled the DB because they knew those data sets already had AP split from them?

I am sure there is a logical explanation of which I cannot think of it this moment. I would think this data has already been split though.

I wonder if it will become a day where there is a steady supply of this work all the time?

Maybe once we are actively collecting data from Green Bank as well.


I think the only way that there will be enough APs for full time crunching is if they bring the credit awarded for MBs up to that of APs or, heaven forbid, lower the credit for APs. Otherwise they will have to turn off APs so people will work on the lower credit MBs

Back when the credit was pretty much even there were often shortages of AP work as well. It just goes faster because fewer AP tasks are generated from each data set than MB tasks. Something like 130,000 MB and 6250 AP per 50GB data set. The numbers are lower than that, but are just a ballpark figure.
854) Message boards : Number crunching : Anything relating to AstroPulse tasks (Message 1774318)
Posted 27 Mar 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Perhaps they disabled the DB because they knew those data sets already had AP split from them?

I am sure there is a logical explanation of which I cannot think of it this moment. I would think this data has already been split though.

I wonder if it will become a day where there is a steady supply of this work all the time?

Maybe once we are actively collecting data from Green Bank as well.
855) Message boards : Number crunching : Server Status page & XML don't agree; v8 tasks are missing from the XML (Message 1774284)
Posted 26 Mar 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I imagine that once the MB v7 data is removed that numbers will be accurate & that there will only be <sah_results_ready_to_send> & <ap_results_ready_to_send>. With the sah_v8 fields removed.

Also I'm not sure if the person that normally handles that kind of thing is in the lab. As Eric had mentioned at one point last year that they only knew they had funding the keep Matt around for the first half of the year. So they could be even more short staffed than normal.

Keep in mind that displaying the two versions of an app is only a temporary measure & something we deal with each time there is an app change.
856) Message boards : Number crunching : Anything relating to AstroPulse tasks (Message 1774281)
Posted 26 Mar 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Perhaps they disabled the DB because they knew those data sets already had AP split from them?
857) Message boards : Number crunching : Ok, I'm a little confused. (Message 1774203)
Posted 26 Mar 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Taking a look at Intel's site, http://ark.intel.com/compare/35428,35433 it looks like the 3370 and the 9650 are pretty much exactly the same chip? I remember hearing rumors that Xeon chips were binned better, but also heard rebuttals that it wasn't true, as Xeons aren't overclockable. My boards don't allow OCing at all, so that isn't an issue for me, I just want long term stability. I think that if I want the fastest possible proc, the 3380 would be the one, but Man, they sure aren't cheap, even 8 years or so after they were released. Sheesh.

Yeah, the cost was the reason I never upgraded my Core 2 Duo E8400 system to a quad. I kept looking at prices & the Core 2 Quads or Xeon versions were always more than the current top end i5.
Something you could also look into are the LGA771 Xeon CPUs. There is an adapter mod that allows them to work. I ended up killing my LGA775 MB by over tightening a heatsink before I had a chance to try the mod. I did get some LGA771 CPUs pretty cheap. Which I have a plan to one day put in some dual socket server boards.
858) Message boards : Number crunching : Older GPU relavence (Message 1774198)
Posted 26 Mar 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I bet your CPU will complete WUs faster than the 6-years old GPU.. We both have the same CPU (FX-8350 @4Ghz Stock) , I use an old Nvidia (8500GT) which is 9years old .. And it is quite painful , each task needs 3-5 hours..

Greetings

Those old HD 5970s, at around 20 minutes, are completing tasks 7-8 times faster than the CPU. Even the newest Intel CPUs still take about an hour to complete a task.
859) Message boards : Number crunching : Nvidia driver versions vs. performance (Message 1774191)
Posted 26 Mar 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I was just looking at drivers to use with the EVGA 750 Ti FTW I got this week. I looked over the top hosts and found they were all using driver newer than 337.88. Which makes me think if there is a performance hit with newer drivers. Then there must be some other advantage to using the newer drivers.

I'm probably going to go with 362.00 for Win7 64-bit in either my i7-860 or one of my i5-4670K hosts.
860) Message boards : Number crunching : Getting back into it, advice appreciated (Message 1773866)
Posted 25 Mar 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Well, I actually won't be looking at it very often, hopefully only a couple times a year till MS finally kills any more support for it, and I believe that's just around the corner? The biggest thing is if I can make it perform well by using that software to remove the bloat and trim it back to just what is necessary to run SETI. Oh, and I do everything I can to turn it back to Windows Classic look, it gets fairly close if you dig into it enough. I despise that Fisher Price interface as well. Stick a stake in it!

I'll make a master that is fully service packed and then trim it down, but not put in any product keys, and image it, then finally ghost it back to new HD's and enter the unique keys for each system upon boot up. At least that's the plan now, we'll see how it goes...

You may also want to give their newest version of the software a try. http://www.nliteos.com/ I toyed around with it a few years ago, but haven't done much with it recently.
861) Message boards : Number crunching : Getting back into it, advice appreciated (Message 1773853)
Posted 25 Mar 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Ok, thanks. The board that I will be running the vast majority of these systems on is an Intel DG33FB, 4 gigs of RAM, often with a X3360, 70 or 80 processor, (4 real cores) so I can dedicate 1-2 cores towards the GPU, and crunch on the other 2. My guess is that these boards wouldn't support it either, they are the G33 chipset, which came out in 2009 I think.

It sounds like I may have wasted my money on these copies of Vista, eh? Not worth running them outside of systems on the 'ol farm? They will be similiarly configured.

The first CPUs that supported AVX were based on Sandy Bridge, Core i5/7-2000 series, in 2011.

As far as Vista... I mean there are some people that like it.. My personal preference is to scowl away from any machine I see it on like a vampire in sunlight, but that's just me. It's an OS & if it doesn't make you want to smash your computer when using it then it's fine for you.
862) Message boards : Number crunching : Lunatics Help (Message 1773845)
Posted 25 Mar 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
. . Scanning over those threads I notice you mentioned variations is clocking. This reminded me of a funny thing I observed. When running a mix of CPU and GPU tasks the timer in BOINC manager was running 33% faster for the GPU task than for the 3 MB tasks. After restarting, all four WU's kicked off together. The timers for the MBs stayed in sync but the timer the GPU task kept moving further and further ahead. After observing this I watched it for a while at any given point the elapsed time for the GPU task was 33% ahead of the MD tasks. That made wonder how that timing is performed. I presumed that it would be sampling the system clock, but now I assume it is running timer routines for itself.

Are you saying that the elapsed time for the GPU task was running faster than the CPU takes? So after 3 minutes of elapsed time for the CPU tasks the GPU task displayed 4 minutes?

The times and numbers displayed in BOINC Manager while tasks are running have been known to be a bit wonky, but I don't think I've heard of that kind of situation.
863) Message boards : Number crunching : Getting back into it, advice appreciated (Message 1773844)
Posted 25 Mar 2016 by Profile HAL9000
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Is that significant?

It is a newer instruction set that came after SSE4.2. I don't think any Atom systems have AVX. So it may not matter for you.

Something you way want to look into is BartPE. Which takes Windows PE, which is a stripped down version of windows for OS install purposes, and turns it into a usable OS.
864) Message boards : Number crunching : AMD 280x cards on i7 920 (Message 1773813)
Posted 25 Mar 2016 by Profile HAL9000
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I got these puppies going and am really happy with the results.
ID: 7950668
Details | Tasks

Cross-project stats:

BOINCstats.com Free-DC DESKTOP-1K5GLTG home 24,459.13 360,112 7.6.22 AuthenticAMD
AMD A10-5800K APU with Radeon(tm) HD Graphics [Family 21 Model 16 Stepping 1]
(4 processors) [2] AMD AMD Radeon HD 7870/7950/7970/R9 280/R9 280X series (Tahiti) (3072MB) driver: 1.4.1848 OpenCL: 1.2 Microsoft Windows 10

Enterprise x64 Edition, (10.00.10586.00)

I would have expected run times under 10 min. But if you are running more than 1 task per GPU 14-15 min is probably pretty much where they should be.
865) Message boards : Number crunching : Ok, I'm a little confused. (Message 1773726)
Posted 24 Mar 2016 by Profile HAL9000
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Thanks for that info. One of these days when I am bored and have nothing better to do(riiiiiggghttt...) I might just make up a listing of the comparison of all (maybe 200 or 400 series on up?) the cards from EVGA and post those calcs out, it would make for good reading. Unless someone has already beaten me to the punch. Actually, that may even be sticky worthy!

Mostly we just compare based off of the stock numbers in Wikipedia. However having the OC versions in a similar list would be useful.
I actually have a list like that but for Sapphire Radeon GPUs as they are my preferred brand.
866) Message boards : Number crunching : Lunatics Help (Message 1773725)
Posted 24 Mar 2016 by Profile HAL9000
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. . I have reinstalled Lunatics. The first time selecting SSE4.2 instead of AVX and still running GPU tasks. I was using 3 CPU cores out of the four.

. . Results: No greatly significant change but seemingly slightly longer run times (by a few minutes).

. . Then I decided to compare apples with apples and mimiced the environment on the C2D. I turned off GPU tasks and re-installed Lunatics again. This time I turned all 4 cores to WU's and selected SSE4.1 exactly as on the C2D. The results have been repeated with a huge success. Not only did I see the sort of gain I have gotten on the C2D but with gusto. WU's that were taking 3.5 hours and more are now running in 1.25 Hours. Some of the first tasks have AR's of 7 plus and took only 35 mins. But the tasks with an AR of 0.42 are running in about 75 mins. HOORAY!

. . Now I have to let it run for a day or so and confirm the consistency of the speed.

. . I am too impatient (and kind of excited) to let this run for very long. If I can't hold out until Saturday I will probably reconfigure again tomorrow, again selecting SSE4.1 but restoring GPU tasks and see if that is the performance killer.

. . It will be hard to wait.

Based on your initial information it seems like Skylake has the same issue as Haswell & Ivy Bridge CPUs. In that using the iGPU for processing nearly doubles the CPU run times when running SETI@home tasks on both.
I brought this issue up back in 2014.
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=75215&postid=1543505#1543505
Then in 2015 Raistmer was investigating the issue.
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=77119&postid=1664472#1664472
I think the investigation stopped after Intel developers were contacted & they were not able to provide any useful information.
Also it has been observed that when running Einstein iGPU tasks were slowed instead of the CPU.
867) Message boards : Number crunching : Ok, I'm a little confused. (Message 1773604)
Posted 24 Mar 2016 by Profile HAL9000
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More stats:

EVGA GeForce GTX 950 FTW GAMING ACX 2.0

Performance
768 CUDA Cores
1203 MHz Base Clock
1405 MHz Boost Clock
57.74GT/s Texture Fill Rate

Memory
2048 MB, 128 bit GDDR5
6610 MHz (effective)
105.76 GB/s Memory Bandwidth

Requirements
Minimum of a 350 Watt power supply.
Total Power Draw : 125 Watts


EVGA GeForce GTX 750 Ti FTW w/ EVGA ACX Cooling

Performance
640 CUDA Cores
1189 MHz Base Clock
1268 MHz Boost Clock

Memory
2048 MB, 128 bit GDDR5
5400 MHz (effective)
86.4 GB/s Memory Bandwidth


Requirements
Minimum of a 300 Watt power supply.
Total Power Draw : 85 Watts


To get GFLOPS for a GPU use (shaders*2)*GPU clock/1000.
That gives us
1521.9 to 1623 GFLOPS for the 750 at 19.094 GFLOPS/watt
1847.8 to 2158 GFLOPS for the 950 at 17.264 GFLOPS/watt
868) Message boards : Number crunching : Ok, I'm a little confused. (Message 1773581)
Posted 24 Mar 2016 by Profile HAL9000
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How does the 750 compare to the 950, in price, perf and power consumption, any idea off the top of your head? I could of course look it up if you don't know... ;-)

*edit* Doing a quick look, it appears that the price is about $50 higher, the Mhz is 20-30 higher, not sure about the power but I would think slightly better? Overall think there is much benefit for the addl $50?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nvidia_graphics_processing_units

GTX 950		GTX 750 Ti
90w		60w
1573 GFLOPs	1305 GFLOPs

Not a whole lot of extra oompf for that extra $50.
869) Message boards : Number crunching : Ok, I'm a little confused. (Message 1773568)
Posted 23 Mar 2016 by Profile HAL9000
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I just picked up an EVGA GTX 750 TI FTW because Amazon dropped it from $136.99 to $119.99. Since I ordered it they raised it to $129.99. I might grab a 2nd one if it drop again.
870) Message boards : Number crunching : Ok, I'm a little confused. (Message 1773561)
Posted 23 Mar 2016 by Profile HAL9000
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Honestly, that is what it sort of looks like what I have sitting in the basement right now, I have to still get the wiring set up, but there are like 6-8 of them lined up on a formica shelf I built just for this purpose. One issue of concern is heat, it would be good to have a little airflow beneath the boards, plus they wouldn't be resting on any solder joints. I know that wood is non-conductive, but not sure what the long term effect of having that weight on the protrusions on the bottom of the board. Plus it just makes it nicer to handle. It's just the matter of finding them is all, well, at a reasonable price. Like >$7.5 ea... or even under $5 would be better, especially in quantity.

One thing I am going to try and do is use one PSU for 2 boards. The ones I have are between 550 and 1200w, so I would use the smaller ones on the Atom setups, and the larger ones on the GTX550 and up rigs. I already have the splitter cables for the 24 pin MB connection and the 4 pin CPU connections, the ones for the GPU's are my next consideration, and I have to be careful there with wattages/amps and the connections, as I don't want to overload anything.

The hardest thing I have to figure out is the power switch, because when ATX came out, the power went from an actual switch to the motherboard/PSU. I supposed I can just set it up to boot both boards at the same time, but the shutdown would be more problematic, because if I set one to shut down, it will turn off the PSU, and take down the other one. I don't believe that should be an issue for the OS, as they are going to be booting off the network, using something like Dotsch's Linux setup from a few years ago.

As to the work in progress, if I shut down the client on the 2nd board and then switch to the 1st one for a shutdown, that would keep the WU's safe from harm. All in all it will be an interesting time getting this to work.


Many years and a few jobs ago. I setup 20 socket 370 Celeron systems with 1 PSU for every 2 systems. I bought 20 pin ATX extension cables and then spent a few hours making Y cables. The only issue doing that is both systems would power on, off, and reboot at the same time.

However for lower powered systems there is a slightly better way to do that now. You could get some picoPSUs. You could connect one system to the main PSU connector and then connect the picoPSUs to the PCIe 12v outputs. You could likely power all of your systems with the single 1200w PSU you already have.

For some time I've been planning to get 16 ASRock Q1900-ITX boards and set them vertically. So I could use a single large silent fan to give them the air circulation they need. So far I have 1 board and the memory for two more...
871) Message boards : Number crunching : Ok, I'm a little confused. (Message 1773491)
Posted 23 Mar 2016 by Profile HAL9000
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Well, just pulled it up again, it appears that nothing is going horribly wrong, and seems to be slowly grinding out tasks, so that is a good thing. I might fire up the other 2 to see how they work as well. Now if only I could find a source of cheap old ATX motherboard trays, like 30 or so of them.. Ebay hasn't been my friend in that matter, but I'll keep looking at it from time to time.

Why would you need MB trays?

I don't recall where I got that picture. The date on it makes me think it is a cruncher from the SETI@home classic days.
872) Message boards : Number crunching : Lunatics Help (Message 1773487)
Posted 23 Mar 2016 by Profile HAL9000
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Are you also looking at the Angle Range of the tasks and comparing like ARs or just looking at the run times?



. . OK, from that question I take it that the AR is the radial coverage of the signal file that is being analysed. No I have not been taking that into account as I have not mastered translating the co-ordinates of the file (I have the screen saver graphic turned off to save CPU time). But I would need to log the AR for each WU and then it's run time to understand how they relate. I have worked on the presumption most of the WU's covered a similar AR to each other with some obvious exceptions (when the run times drop or increase dramatically from the average). Unless there is an app to run to automatically log those details I can't see myself managing that. It would be revealing though I am sure.

. . Thanks for taking the time to answer me, I am learning slowly :)


If you look at any of your completed tasks, (Validation pending, Validation inconclusive, Valid, Invalid, or Error), you can select the Task ID and then within the Stderr output find WU true angle range is :
A normal angle range(AR) is ~0.42. These are ideally what you want to compare.
Values that are much higher are often refereed to as VHAR(very high angle range), or also shorties. They start from ~1.127 & go higher. They tend to take less time than normal to complete.
Values that are much lower are often refereed to as VLAR(very low angle range). They start from ~0.12 & go lower. Also the task will have VLAR in the name. They tend to take more time than normal to complete.
When I am looking for normal AR tasks to compare I generally start with the Valid tasks. Then look for ones with ~100 credit. Tasks with 40-60 credit are likely to be in the VHAR range.

You would also want to look at the signal count section. As it can also have a measurable effect on the run time.
Spike count:    0
Autocorr count: 0
Pulse count:    0
Triplet count:  0
Gaussian count: 0


One more thing to watch for are tasks that have the message:
SETI@Home Informational message -9 result_overflow
That message can indicate there was a lot of noise in the signal, probably from a satellite pass over the telescope. A large number of results can also be a clue to a processing device that is not operating normally. Such as a GPU overheating or other host PC weirdness.
873) Message boards : Number crunching : Lunatics Help (Message 1773319)
Posted 22 Mar 2016 by Profile HAL9000
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Are you also looking at the Angle Range of the tasks and comparing like ARs or just looking at the run times?
874) Message boards : Number crunching : Lunatics Help (Message 1773302)
Posted 22 Mar 2016 by Profile HAL9000
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. . I have found that my GPU (Intel HD530) tasks ran slightly faster before installing Lunatics so I wanted them to go back to that level. I was hoping to tell Lunatics to let BOINC run them unassisted. And MB's are running only marginally faster under AVX than before, while on my C2D machine (Win 7) under SSE4.1 they are running better than 50% faster. So I wanted to try SSE 4.2 or SSE4.1 on this i5 machine.

There's not much logic in that.

The HD530 application in the Lunatics installer is built from exactly the same sources as the stock application, r3330. If anything, Raistmer is more likely to have de-tuned the stock version slightly, so that it runs consistently with less user configuration (though I don't know that for sure).

A C2D can't run AVX apps, so you can't make a direct comparison with your i5. As I said earlier in this thread (message 1771847), the developers were unable to supply me with true SSSE3, SSE4.1, or SSE4.2 applications in time for the installer this time: if you make any of those selections, you will in fact be running an SSE3 application for all setiathome v8 tasks (true SSSE3/4.1/4.2 apps were used for v7 tasks, but they've pretty much finished now).

I can only imagine that when you are running the AVX application and the HD530 application together, you may be pushing the total thermal/power envelop of your CPU package harder - your CPU may be reducing boost frequency or even throttling back. Just possibly, dropping back to SSE3 only may allow you to get some GPU speed back, but it won't be a lot - the variation between tasks at different ARs will quite likely mask any effect like that.

But it's worth the experiment, and may help you gain a further insight into the complexity of the various factors in play.

Haswell CPUs have the effect of significantly slowing CPU processing when using the iGPU and CPU for SETI@home tasks. Perhaps Skylake resolves that issue or has changed whatever the limitation was.
875) Message boards : Number crunching : Samsung phone batteries (Message 1773301)
Posted 22 Mar 2016 by Profile HAL9000
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I also have a Note 4, although I don't crunch with it. What i did read over the last year, is the lithium batteries don't mind being charged and discharged, but become stressed plugged in all the time. This doesn't seem to happen with laptop batteries, but I have destroyed several camera and two way radio batteries just leaving them plugged in for a week. On the other hand, I have a DeWalt screw gun, and both of it's power packs can be plugged in for years without damage. The articles I have read, focus on phone batteries, and the firmware inside them. The firmware is supposed to limit over charging, but may not always work. From my destruction of the camera and radio batteries, I would say that the articles I have read were correct. Now, I charge the batteries, and then let them sit until needed, and I have had no further problems. I have replaced my wireless home phone batteries numerous times, as I expect to get about 6 months out of them.

For my Note 4, I keep 4 batteries ready to go at all times. When I think one is getting stressed, I throw it away, and use another.

Steve


My preferred method to run BOINC on my phone is:
Set the min battery level in BOINC to 30%.
Let tasks run until the battery gets low enough that BOINC stops.
Set the min battery level in BOINC to 100%.
Connect to a standard 500mA charge port.
When the battery is charged. Set the min battery level in BOINC to 30%.

I will leave my phone connected overnight to a fast charge port so it is fully charged when I get up. Sometimes over the weekend it may stay plugged in if I'm not going out.

When I first got the S4 I did some testing running while connected to a standard USB port. I would get more run time, but I wasn't sure if this was causing extra stress to the battery. So I stopped doing that.
876) Message boards : Number crunching : Samsung phone batteries (Message 1773193)
Posted 22 Mar 2016 by Profile HAL9000
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Hmmm.....

I used to have a car charger from some device or other that could not keep up with crunching and also keeping the display on for the GPS app. Last October, the connector on that charger failed and I bought a new one, the cheapo they sell at the checkout desk at Micro Center. It is able to keep up with demand; I figured it had better internal electronics. However... I can't make a positive cause-effect relationship, but I'm sure it was after I got that new charger that the screen popped off.

Devices that support the USB charging specification can request more than 500mA from a compatible charger. If the charger doesn't respond to the request then the device will only draw 500mA.

Fast charging does cause more wear on a battery than slow charging. That is just the nature of batteries. Leaving a device constantly plugged in will also cause more wear from mirco charge cycles.

When I eventually replace my S4 with a new phone I'll probably see if I can leave it plugged in running without the battery. So that I won't have to worry about any of those issues.
877) Message boards : Number crunching : Samsung phone batteries (Message 1773119)
Posted 21 Mar 2016 by Profile HAL9000
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I haven't had that issue with my Galaxy S4 after ~2.5 years. However replacement batteries are pretty cheap these days.

A new battery directly from Samsung for the Note 4 is $25, or as low as $15 on Amazon.
878) Message boards : Number crunching : Resending of "Lost Tasks" has stopped all SETI processing on my computer. (Message 1773072)
Posted 21 Mar 2016 by Profile HAL9000
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Interesting. FWIW, my SETI@home account shows: Preferences last modified: 23 Nov 2014, 1:24:06 UTC, which corresponds to the date I joined Asteroids@home. I later joined SETI Beta and Milkyway but neither had any effect on those global preferences.
SETI@home	11 Feb 2000
Asteroids@home  23 Nov 2014
SETI@home Beta 	11 Dec 2014
MilkyWay@home 	9 Apr 2015

The global_prefs.xml here on my daily driver, however, was last modified on 5 Dec 2014. Perhaps that was the first reboot of this box following my initial joining of Asteroids. Also, although my daily driver itself has never run Asteroids (or anything else except SETI Main), the content of the global_prefs.xml file shows Asteroids as the source.

I believe the "source" will be the project where you most recently modified your global settings. I only change my BOINC global settings from the SETI@home site. As any global settings I make will be for SETI@home & other projects just have to deal with those settings.
879) Message boards : Number crunching : v8 BSoD (Message 1773040)
Posted 21 Mar 2016 by Profile HAL9000
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If you wanted to share the host ID to aid in troubleshooting that would be helpful. You can leave you settings to hidden & the information is displayed anonymously. As seen here.
Without knowing the host information there are some basic things that would help pinpointing your issue.

What is the version of the video driver you are using?

Is this host only running tasks on the GPU or is the CPU being used as well?

If the host is also running CPU tasks. Is BOINC set to suspend CPU tasks when the computer is in use or only GPU tasks?

Are you using any thermal monitoring software?
880) Message boards : Number crunching : BOINC application for Android loses crunched work units (Message 1773033)
Posted 21 Mar 2016 by Profile HAL9000
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Yes, I certain. I don't know how to reproduce the situation. However, Android application sometimes acts as described by Richard. I will try to find something interesting in logs and to report later.

I see the server says that host currently has 6 tasks In progress. Is that true? I have found the Android BOINC client only downloads 1 task per active CPU and 0 extra cache.
881) Message boards : Number crunching : Lunatics Windows Installer v0.44 - new release for v8 (required upgrade) (Message 1772952)
Posted 21 Mar 2016 by Profile HAL9000
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Good evening(my time) since I am new to lunatics I just want to ask a couple of questions I installed lunatics on one of my crunch only rigs about 5 days ago after that I think I have a baseline to go by so I would like to start tweaking things particularly with the gpu but I cannot find the files that I need to edit maybe I am looking in the wrong place or am just missing them or I did something wrong with the install. Thanks for any help.

Is your data directory the default location or did you set a different location during installation?

If you are unsure you can open the Event Log in BOINC Manager. The data directory location is displayed near the top.
14-Mar-2016 12:34:48 [---] Starting BOINC client version 7.6.23 for windows_x86_64
14-Mar-2016 12:34:48 [---] log flags: sched_ops
14-Mar-2016 12:34:48 [---] Libraries: libcurl/7.45.0 OpenSSL/1.0.2d zlib/1.2.8
14-Mar-2016 12:34:48 [---] Data directory: C:\ProgramData\BOINC

The default location is located in a hidden folder for Windows 7 and higher. So you will need to either show hidden folders or manually enter the path.
882) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows 10 - Yea or Nay? (Message 1772914)
Posted 20 Mar 2016 by Profile HAL9000
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Linux used to be quite a pain < 10 years ago. To install something you might have to go through several rounds of updating libs just to get an installer to run. Then find out you needed to update another 10 to get the application working.

Where as with MAC or Windows you would normally have a prompt "You need to have X installed. Do you want to install it now?".

However Linux has gotten a lot better about that kind of issue. With required packages getting pulled down from the internet automagically in modern mainstream distros.
883) Message boards : Number crunching : SETI/BOINC Milestones [ v2.0 ] - XXIX (Message 1772910)
Posted 20 Mar 2016 by Profile HAL9000
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Well the top user, with a RAC of 621813, represents 0.001849% of the daily work done here & the combined RAC of the top 20 users comes to 0.02034%. So we are all just drops in the bucket.


I understand that the 9000 series is incapable of error, but it is possible you were looking at total work instead of total RAC...

Total RAC: 175,911,927
Top RAC (currently MJS): 621,813
Top divided by Total ≅ 0.00353 = 0.353%... MJS is doing about 0.353% of the entire project.

The sum of the top 20 contributors is 6,217,815 (very close to ten times that... nice even distribution over twenty.) This is 0.0353 or 3.53% of the total production of the project.

I know I've made some very poor decisions recently, but I can give you my complete assurance that my work will be back to normal.

I may have used http://boincstats.com/en/stats/-1/project/detail/ rather than http://boincstats.com/en/stats/0/project/detail/
So those previous percentages for MJS's SETI@home contribution in relation to all BOINC projects RAC.

I found these numbers interesting for SETI@home
Top X users	Total RAC	Project %
100		17,662,080	10.04%
200		24,471,534	13.91%
300		29,307,495	16.66%
400		33,274,447	18.92%
500		36,664,286	20.84%

So ~80% of the projects computing power comes from the remaining 142,807 users.
884) Message boards : Number crunching : SETI/BOINC Milestones [ v2.0 ] - XXIX (Message 1772858)
Posted 20 Mar 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I am getting close to 15 years doing SETI crunching but am still under 1 million credits. I am wondering just how are the massive credit totals being obtained by others? OK, my computer runs only about 8 hours most days and it is probably nowhere near the fastest. I do though now wonder if I am wasting my computer's and SETI's analysis time, as my input is clearly of miniscule significance. Are low analysing rate users like myself really welcome or should SETI work be left to the rapid analysing users only?

Well the top user, with a RAC of 621813, represents 0.001849% of the daily work done here & the combined RAC of the top 20 users comes to 0.02034%. So we are all just drops in the bucket.
885) Message boards : Number crunching : Anyone know what Dotsch is up to these days? (Message 1772687)
Posted 19 Mar 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
In my job as a software test engineer I've had access to many types of hardware and very OS I wanted to use. For CPU applications I never found one OS to be measurably better for running BOINC projects than any other.
My preferred OS that I used in my lab was actually Windows 7 64-bit. Simply because it made managing 30+ machines easier for me. All of my test machines used ghost images for the OS. So when I was done doing testing I would load up a clean copy of Windows 7 & start BOINC. Given most of the machines had 2-4GB of RAM memory usage wasn't a problem.

I also toyed around with BOINC PE Which is a preconfigured version of Windows PE with BOINC. However some of the limits of Windows PE made it less desirable vs using a full version of Windows for me.


For a farm of diskless SETI@home is pretty light on disk activity. With a limit of 100 tasks the most a host would need to worry about is ~800MB if it had 100 AP tasks or ~40MB for 100 MB tasks. So a 120GB SSD would probably serve as plenty of space for quite a few diskless systems.

The base image of Dotsch UX could be updated with the current release of BOINC and optimized CPU apps. Then deployed exactly as the instructions indicate.
886) Message boards : Number crunching : BEST WAY TO INSTALL BOINC ON 2 LINUX SERVERS (Message 1772344)
Posted 18 Mar 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I just installed Ubuntu seems good! but how do I know if boinc is running?


At a command line or terminal prompt enter the following command

ps ax | grep boinc

You should see something like

11870 pts/0 S+ 0:00 grep boinc
18103 ? Ss 0:54 /usr/sbin/BOINC/boinc --daemon

The last line indicates boinc is running.


This what my google cloud instance with Ubuntu 15.10 displays.

BOINC stopped
19022 pts/0 S+ 0:00 grep boinc

BOINC started
19061 ? SNsl 0:00 /usr/bin/boinc --dir /var/lib/boinc-client
19412 pts/0 S+ 0:00 grep boinc


I find it easier to connect to the host using BOINC Manager to check how it is doing.
887) Message boards : Number crunching : WU's timing out........ (Message 1772333)
Posted 18 Mar 2016 by Profile HAL9000
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Hal and all you helpers,

Yep, that was it....a bunch of ghosts. I guess I'll just turn my head and let Boinc/Seti figure it out for me.

BTW, is detaching and reattaching a good idea?

Thanks all!

Doing that will clear all of the current work you have downloaded. So you may wish to set No New Tasks in order to run down your cache first.
888) Message boards : Number crunching : Older GPU relavence (Message 1772164)
Posted 17 Mar 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Only 6 months, huh that's not so bad. I'll have all the parts in the mail by Monday. Ive all ready prepped my open air test bench with a small 80gb hdd and a DVD drive to load a clean install of windows 10.

I assume I should use lunatic installer and configure it similar to my current install (except using the most efficient AMD/ati instruction) I can probably find a guide some where when I get all the parts together.

1 WU per die isn't so bad, hopefully it will be similar to my gtx 980 in crunch time, but doing twice the work. 4 WU vs 2 WU current.

I'm hoping ill settle in at a RAC of 20k or higher between both my systems.
I guess I'll see once everything has settled 2 or 3 weeks or so.

I spent less than $510 for this build vs over $1000 for my main rig so I suppose the price to performance isn't so bad.

I'm still debating on my Xeon NAS build, if I don't need slid/crossfire compatibility does that mean I can use a motherboard with 4 physical PCI-e X16 slots and run 4 of these HD 5970 for 8 gpu cores at once. Even if the motherboard is not certified for crossX/sli?

Well for MB work I expect the 980 to have somewhat faster run times than each GPU on the 5970.
-Each GPU one the 5970 is about half the GFLOPs of the 980.
-For MB work Nvidia GPUs use a CUDA application. Which was first largely made by Nvidia & is more efficient than OpenCL applications.

The flip side to this is AP work. Where both are OpenCL apps so we can compare Nvidia & ATI GPUs FLOP to FLOP. The Nvidia GPUs are starting to catch up with the current generation but are still a bit slower.

My R9 390X runs normal AR MB tasks in about 6 minutes & it rated for 5913 GFLOPs. If we use that as a base line comparison with each one of the 5970 GPUs at 2320 GFLOPs that's about 2.54 times different. So I would guesstimate 15-20 minutes for a normal AR task. For comparison my 390X is about 2.93 times as faster than a 6870 and complete tasks a bit better than 3 times as fast.
Looking at your 980 times for normal AR tasks they seem to be around 13 minutes.

BOINC doesn't care about sli/crossfire. In fact it used to be required to disable it. BOINC will use as many GPUs are you can get your system to recognize. The PSU to run that many GPUs will need to be a monster though.
889) Message boards : Number crunching : Older GPU relavence (Message 1772063)
Posted 17 Mar 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
If you don't currently have one. You will want to make a cc_config.xml and use the <use_all_gpus> option. This will let BOINC know you want to use all of your GPUs.

For my 6870 1 task loaded the GPU around 95%. Since the 6870 & the 5970 GPUs are both similar Terrascale2 hardware I imagine you will see similar performance. Just a bit faster with 1600 shaders vs the 6870's 1120 shaders. So I would start with 1 per GPU and see how it goes. If the GPU load is less than 85% I would be surprised.

Also the newest driver release that still supports these GPUs is Cat 15.7.1. Which is about 6 months old.
890) Message boards : Number crunching : Older GPU relavence (Message 1772050)
Posted 17 Mar 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Crossfire doesn't matter for BOINC/SETI usage. As far as BOINC is concerned you will have four 2320 GFLOP GPUs.
My HD 6870's are 2016 GFLOP GPUs and AP tasks ran in 30-35 min. I would guess the HD 5970 would run closer to 20-25 min. I haven't run MB v8 tasks on the 6870's. However my R9 390X rated for 5913 GFLOPs takes ~6 min for MB work.
891) Message boards : Number crunching : Work Requested Shows Zero ???? (Message 1772048)
Posted 17 Mar 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Is SETI@home the only active project that is allowed to run GPU work? I have observed BOINC display something along the lines of "Not requesting GPU work. Project not highest priority" if I had several GPU projects allowed to fetch work.
892) Message boards : Number crunching : WU's timing out........ (Message 1772004)
Posted 16 Mar 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
With the limits of 100 tasks per CPU/GPU & a deadline of about 6 weeks how many hours a day do you let your machines run tasks?

The only things I can think of are:
1) Adjust your queue size.
2) Stop fiddling with things & let BOINC handle running tasks instead of trying to micromanage what it does. BOINC will run tasks that are near the deadline sooner if it thinks there is a chance of missing them.

EDIT: A single core CPU machine that takes around 10 hours to complete a task would be able to complete a queue of 100 tasks before the deadline if it ran 24/7.


I run 24/7 on all of my machines and I didn't start "playing around" until Boinc was unable to finish all of the tasks it had at it's command. As I said, never had this problem before the change of versions.
Thanks for the input though.

Allen

Are you looking at the tasks in BOINC Manager and seeing they are close to their due date or are you looking at the error tasks list on the website and seeing "Timed out - no response"?
If you are seeing "Timed out - no response" in your errors those tasks are most likely from ghosts that were never on your system.

BOINC runs tasks FIFO (First In First Out) unless it thinks there will be a problem. Then it will run tasks in order by due date. How your cache settings are set can effect how BOINC determines this.


Wow! Now that is interesting. I did see the time outs that got me interested in doing something about it, but I never checked to see if they were actually ever on my system or at least present at some time. I just assumed (stupidly) that they were there and they were skipped for other wu's. They could have been ghosts as you said, since I didn't know anything about 'ghosts'.

I guess at one time or another I could have lost some wu's during the change over of versions, but I didn't think it would affect all of the machines in relatively the same way since some of them didn't lose any wu's.

After reading some of the give and take from Richard and Mr. Gee, I was wondering if changing the number of gpu units running at one time could affect the time it would take to complete a batch of wu's and maybe throw off the timing a bit. BUT....it seems to be a very large number of timed out units for that to be the case.

Thanks for all the info.... didn't know about ghosts....hmmmm

Sometimes when a host requests work the server selects tasks and assigns to the host, but the tasks never reason the host. So we call them "ghosts". The BOINC server does have an option "resend lost tasks". However SETI@home often disables that options because it can add extra strain to the servers. The only option at that point is having them timeout. Which isn't a problem as the server reassigns them.

As other mentioned some of your machines show more than 200 tasks in progress. SETI@home has a limit of 100 CPU tasks and then 100 per GPU. This can make it easy to tell if you have a system with ghosts tasks. Looking at your host 6335328. It shows In progress (224) if we select next until we get past the first 200. Then we see the sent date is January 21st to the 24th for the last 24 tasks. If you don't see those tasks on your system then they are ghosts & will time out in the next few days. Which means everything is basically running fine on your end.
893) Message boards : Number crunching : WU's timing out........ (Message 1771918)
Posted 16 Mar 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
With the limits of 100 tasks per CPU/GPU & a deadline of about 6 weeks how many hours a day do you let your machines run tasks?

The only things I can think of are:
1) Adjust your queue size.
2) Stop fiddling with things & let BOINC handle running tasks instead of trying to micromanage what it does. BOINC will run tasks that are near the deadline sooner if it thinks there is a chance of missing them.

EDIT: A single core CPU machine that takes around 10 hours to complete a task would be able to complete a queue of 100 tasks before the deadline if it ran 24/7.


I run 24/7 on all of my machines and I didn't start "playing around" until Boinc was unable to finish all of the tasks it had at it's command. As I said, never had this problem before the change of versions.
Thanks for the input though.

Allen

Are you looking at the tasks in BOINC Manager and seeing they are close to their due date or are you looking at the error tasks list on the website and seeing "Timed out - no response"?
If you are seeing "Timed out - no response" in your errors those tasks are most likely from ghosts that were never on your system.

BOINC runs tasks FIFO (First In First Out) unless it thinks there will be a problem. Then it will run tasks in order by due date. How your cache settings are set can effect how BOINC determines this.
894) Message boards : Number crunching : WU's timing out........ (Message 1771784)
Posted 16 Mar 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
With the limits of 100 tasks per CPU/GPU & a deadline of about 6 weeks how many hours a day do you let your machines run tasks?

The only things I can think of are:
1) Adjust your queue size.
2) Stop fiddling with things & let BOINC handle running tasks instead of trying to micromanage what it does. BOINC will run tasks that are near the deadline sooner if it thinks there is a chance of missing them.

EDIT: A single core CPU machine that takes around 10 hours to complete a task would be able to complete a queue of 100 tasks before the deadline if it ran 24/7.
895) Message boards : Number crunching : Wierd Boinc stats ?? (Message 1771782)
Posted 16 Mar 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Well it looks like you are using allprojectstats and right now everything looks normal on their site for you.

Day 	        Total credit 	Change 	Rank 	Change 	RAC 	 	Change 	Rank 	Change 	Hosts 	Change 	Rank 	Change
March 16, 2016 	52,714,959 	38,913 	6,647 	8 	23,009.70 	103 	7897 	1 	0 	NEW 	- 	NEW
March 15, 2016 	52,676,047 	18,438 	6,639 	2 	23,113.10 	483 	7898 	140 	0 	NEW 	- 	NEW
March 14, 2016 	52,657,609 	27,636 	6,641 	1 	23,596.30 	441 	7758 	107 	0 	NEW 	- 	NEW
March 13, 2016 	52,629,973 	23,090 	6,640 	3 	23,155.00 	11 	7865 	44 	0 	NEW 	- 	NEW
March 12, 2016 	52,606,883 	0 	6,637 	0 	23,166.20 	0 	7909 	0 	0 	NEW 	- 	NEW


The external stat sites will often have some odd issue where one of them will have their numbers be completely wrong for some reason. Which you have to take up with the people that run the site.
896) Message boards : Number crunching : Trying to Add SETI Beta to MAC OS BOINC 7.6.22... (Message 1771334)
Posted 13 Mar 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Also any of these URL should work. As they all go the same place.
http://setiweb.ssl.berkeley.edu/beta/
http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/beta/
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/beta/
897) Message boards : Number crunching : Retro PC seti crunching (Message 1770999)
Posted 11 Mar 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
So I now have the version 7 work unit making progress! I dug out a spare hard drive, installed Windows XP, copied my data folder over, and we're up and running! It must be some Windows 2000 issue not letting things run right. Estimated time to completion: 137 hrs :).

I'll revisit the version 8 issue when the time comes that I can't get any more version 7 work.

since that machine hasn't returned enough work to have a good estimate yet it may take more or less time.
I had a Pentium III 850MHz running & I think it took about 80 hours to do an AP. I have a feeling the server may not even allow your K6 to download AP work, but it would be a good laugh to see how long it would take.
898) Message boards : Number crunching : Retro PC seti crunching (Message 1770858)
Posted 11 Mar 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Cool idea, I have an old AMD Barton sitting in the closet from 2003. But my $40 kindle may outperform it @ 1.9watts ;)

Sometimes it's just fun to fire up some old stuff and see how it works.
The last time I fired up my old PIII-S 1.4GHz system I cranked out some work I compared it to my old Pentium M notebook using stock apps.
The PIII-S consumed 2.33 times as much power than the Pentium M.
The PIII-S completed work 2.52 times slower than the Pentium M.
Those tests were back with SETI@home v6 or maybe even v5.

Now I pretty much don't play with anything older than the Pentium M notebook. I've upgraded its memory and overclocked from its stock 1.5GHz to 2.37GHz. While both were running a single CPU task. I compared the run times of the old Pentium M vs my Celeron J1900 system, running 2.41GHz. I found the old Pentium M had lower task run times. However the J1900 has 4 cores & an iGPU. So it can complete much more work per day for even less power compared to the old Pentium M.
899) Message boards : Number crunching : Two Questions About the BOINC Statistics Tab (Message 1770811)
Posted 10 Mar 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Well the BOINC server calculates RAC each time credit is granted in an exponential average.
There is also an built in decay mechanism. that is suppose to lower the RAC value every two weeks. However from what I've seen that mechanism may or may not work correctly.

Depending on the mood BOINC mood is in. A change may cause your RAC to jump right away or it could take several weeks.
900) Message boards : Number crunching : BEST WAY TO INSTALL BOINC ON 2 LINUX SERVERS (Message 1770616)
Posted 9 Mar 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I HAVE A FEW GRAPHICS CARDS LAYING AROUND PRETTY OLD THOUGH LIKE MAYBE 8-10 YEARS OR SO. WITH THESE WORK FOR AND OK GPU OR DO I NEED TO GET NEW ONES.

For Nvidia GPUs you need something from the 8000 series or newer.
For ATi GPUs you need something from the 5000 series or newer. Note: Some mid to high end 4000 series GPUs can work but are often a PITA.

Depending on the type of servers you have bought there could be many options for popping newer GPUs in them.
901) Message boards : Number crunching : BEST WAY TO INSTALL BOINC ON 2 LINUX SERVERS (Message 1770615)
Posted 9 Mar 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The online BOINC User Manual has good instructions for how to install BOINC on several Linux distros.
http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Installing_BOINC#Linux

Really to get the most out of any of the system is to use the optimized apps instead of the stock ones. The installer makes it really simple for Windows. The Linux ones you have to do 100% manually, but it is pretty simple if you can copy and paste.
902) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows 10 - Yea or Nay? (Message 1770589)
Posted 9 Mar 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
No, I use Firefox, but was unsure if I could uninstall I.E. or, if I were to do so, don't think it would stop M$ from sending me IE updates. :( I guess tho that leaving I.E. installed and just ignoring any updates for it is the easiest thing to do.

Control Panel > Programs & Features > Turn Windows features on or off.
Uncheck the box for IE & click OK.
903) Message boards : Number crunching : Retro PC seti crunching (Message 1770588)
Posted 9 Mar 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Have you tried libfftw3f-3-3-4_x86.dll with the SETI@home v8 app?
I don't know if that is the same one you tried with the v7 app before using libfftw3f-3-1-1a_upx.dll. If it is then it may not work either.

The counter reverting back to 00:00 would likely be as there was no checkpoint created due to lack of progress. Do any of the files in the slot folder have a later timestamp than stderr.txt?
904) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows 10 - Yea or Nay? (Message 1770584)
Posted 9 Mar 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
OMG, this new despicable intrusion by M$ is AWFUL. I guess just add IE to the "don't update" list? What other updates will M$ do this to?

Do you still use IE? If not you can remove it.
905) Message boards : Number crunching : No Driver Version Shown in Results (Stderr output) (Message 1770502)
Posted 9 Mar 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Windows versions do, as well as Current clock frequency where available, through an interface called 'NVAPI' . I have not yet found an equivalent in Linux and OSX, and monitoring tools on these platforms are correspondingly limited, but will be sure to investigate it as time goes on. Driver level telemetry will be necessary down the road for automatic scaling and optimising to different profiles (like efficiency), whether by hook or crook.

This probably wouldn't work on all platforms either, but could the app ask BOINC for the driver version since it already found it?
906) Message boards : Number crunching : No Driver Version Shown in Results (Stderr output) (Message 1770497)
Posted 9 Mar 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I don't believe the Cuda app has ever done that. Just the OpenCL apps.

Could you use the returned timestamps to determine when you switched drivers?



I could - and I will - but I was just curious why they weren't there. It would have made life a little easier :).

Thanks for responding.

It does seem like a good suggestion for debugging purposes. Maybe you can swing it by Jason and see what they think.
907) Message boards : Number crunching : No Driver Version Shown in Results (Stderr output) (Message 1770495)
Posted 9 Mar 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I don't believe the Cuda app has ever done that. Just the OpenCL apps.

Could you use the returned timestamps to determine when you switched drivers?
908) Message boards : Number crunching : Treat yourself! NEW 750ti SC for $110.00 shipped. (Message 1770493)
Posted 9 Mar 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
But, does it CUDA? :)

All the best,
Aaron Lephart

It does not. Also the tab isn't really any faster than my phone. However it does have 8(4+4) cores & it's nicer to play games on than my phone.
909) Message boards : Number crunching : Treat yourself! NEW 750ti SC for $110.00 shipped. (Message 1770462)
Posted 8 Mar 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I found a deal on a EVGA 750TI SC for $110.00 shippped. Looks like a winner for a bang-for-the-buck category! I am currently running 5 of these in various machines and nothing to date beats it for RAC per watt.

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00IDG3IDO?tag=tbpre-20

All the best,
Aaron Lephart

Techvelocity.com

I was considering getting two of those, but I ended up getting a Galaxy Tab S2 instead. It was a tough call.
910) Message boards : Number crunching : Getting back into it, advice appreciated (Message 1770424)
Posted 8 Mar 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
As HAL pointed out, you are missing something at the start of your cc_config.xml

Make sure you have the counterpart for all of the </whatever> that appear at the end of your file

That is only a dual core?

If you get it up and running, make sure it's not too sluggish when running minecraft.

If it is, you might need to drop the number of work units on the GPU so your daughter can enjoy her game.

Some of their results are with the CUDA 3.2 app and some are with the CUDA 5.0 app. I guess both are installed?
If both apps are present then the app_config.xml is only configured to run 2 instances when the CUDA 5.0 app is running. I believe the CUDA 5.0 is suppose to be more efficient on the newer cards. If that is correct then the CUDA 3.2 app could be removed & that machine should be good to go.

If needed minecraft could be setup as an exclusive app. So the SETI@home apps don't slow game play.
911) Message boards : Number crunching : Getting back into it, advice appreciated (Message 1770269)
Posted 7 Mar 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Ok, since "I" *rolleyes* did such a good job of getting my new computer running BOINC correctly yesterday, I was feeling cocky and thought I would give it a shot on the other new computer I am putting together for my daughter to run Minecraft on. Thinking that I actually knew what I was doing, I modified the file and put it on this computer, thinking it would run 1 CPU task and hopefully 2 GPU tasks. The file looks like this:

<app_config>
<app_version>
<app_name>setiathome_v8</app_name>
<plan_class>cuda50</plan_class>
<avg_ncpus>0.5</avg_ncpus>
<ngpus>0.5</ngpus>
</app_version>
<app_version>
<app_name>astropulse_v7</app_name>
<plan_class>opencl_nvidia_100</plan_class>
<avg_ncpus>0.5</avg_ncpus>
<ngpus>0.5</ngpus>
</app_version>
</app_config>



OBVIOUSLY I missed something, because the error in the first line of the log tells me so. All I want to do is one CPU and 2 GPU, was I even thinking correctly when I made the changes?

3/7/2016 11:37:27 AM | | Missing start tag in cc_config.xml
3/7/2016 11:37:27 AM | | Starting BOINC client version 7.6.22 for windows_intelx86
3/7/2016 11:37:27 AM | | log flags: file_xfer, sched_ops, task
3/7/2016 11:37:27 AM | | Libraries: libcurl/7.45.0 OpenSSL/1.0.2d zlib/1.2.8
3/7/2016 11:37:27 AM | | Data directory: C:\ProgramData\BOINC
3/7/2016 11:37:27 AM | | Running under account CC
3/7/2016 11:37:28 AM | | CUDA: NVIDIA GPU 0: GeForce GTX 950 (driver version 361.91, CUDA version 8.0, compute capability 5.2, 2048MB, 1814MB available, 1828 GFLOPS peak)
3/7/2016 11:37:28 AM | | OpenCL: NVIDIA GPU 0: GeForce GTX 950 (driver version 361.91, device version OpenCL 1.2 CUDA, 2048MB, 1814MB available, 1828 GFLOPS peak)
3/7/2016 11:37:28 AM | SETI@home | Found app_info.xml; using anonymous platform
3/7/2016 11:37:28 AM | | Host name: CC-PC
3/7/2016 11:37:28 AM | | Processor: 2 GenuineIntel Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.80GHz [Family 15 Model 4 Stepping 10]
3/7/2016 11:37:28 AM | | Processor features: fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss htt tm pni cx16 nx lm tm2 pbe
3/7/2016 11:37:28 AM | | OS: Microsoft Windows 7: Ultimate x86 Edition, Service Pack 1, (06.01.7601.00)
3/7/2016 11:37:28 AM | | Memory: 3.00 GB physical, 5.99 GB virtual
3/7/2016 11:37:28 AM | | Disk: 698.54 GB total, 676.81 GB free
3/7/2016 11:37:28 AM | | Local time is UTC -6 hours
3/7/2016 11:37:28 AM | SETI@home | URL http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/; Computer ID 7946538; resource share 100
3/7/2016 11:37:33 AM | SETI@home | General prefs: from SETI@home (last modified 03-Apr-2013 22:59:56)
3/7/2016 11:37:33 AM | SETI@home | Computer location: home
3/7/2016 11:37:33 AM | SETI@home | General prefs: no separate prefs for home; using your defaults
3/7/2016 11:37:33 AM | | Preferences:
3/7/2016 11:37:33 AM | | max memory usage when active: 1535.08MB
3/7/2016 11:37:33 AM | | max memory usage when idle: 2916.66MB
3/7/2016 11:37:33 AM | | max disk usage: 100.00GB
3/7/2016 11:37:33 AM | | (to change preferences, visit a project web site or select Preferences in the Manager)
3/7/2016 11:37:33 AM | SETI@home | Sending scheduler request: To fetch work.
3/7/2016 11:37:33 AM | SETI@home | Requesting new tasks for NVIDIA GPU
3/7/2016 11:37:34 AM | SETI@home | Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks
3/7/2016 11:37:34 AM | SETI@home | No tasks sent
3/7/2016 11:37:34 AM | SETI@home | No tasks are available for SETI@home v7
3/7/2016 11:37:34 AM | SETI@home | No tasks are available for AstroPulse v7
3/7/2016 11:37:34 AM | SETI@home | No tasks are available for SETI@home v8
3/7/2016 11:37:34 AM | SETI@home | This computer has reached a limit on tasks in progress

Probably something simple and stupid, but if anyone could let me know the errors of my ways, I would appreciate it.

The error is telling you exactly what is wrong with your cc_config.xml
http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/client_configuration
Make sure you have everything needed.
<cc_config>
   <log_flags>
       [ ... ]
   </log_flags>
   <options>
       [ ... ]
   </options>
</cc_config>
912) Message boards : Number crunching : GPU Upgrade - need advice (Message 1770175)
Posted 7 Mar 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The Canadian dollar is about $0.73 USD, so that would be about $110, and buying in USA you can get nailed with a $40 import fee.

I looked on tiger direct for the card I have and it's listed as $178, about what I paid 1 year ago.

The best I could find on www.newegg.ca the other day was about $150 for a 750Ti
913) Message boards : Number crunching : What does SETI need? BOINC? (Message 1770174)
Posted 7 Mar 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Based upon what we estimate the amount of data we have, and guessing at the I/O (R/W) we generate, do you have a guess at a break even point of internal vs. external? Because I'd think it would create I/O every time a new result needs to be compared to all the other results, or am I not thinking of it correctly? I understand the storage now, but that I/O fee adds a new wrinkle to the calculation.

Amazon might have a different billing structure than Google. I haven't tested out their service myself. However it is probably a similar in some fashion.

We do know that the ntpckr server was being bottlenecked by disk i/o & a server with high speed SSDs would be required. If we knew the disk bandwidth the server was using that could be used as a baseline to estimate cost. I'm not sure if ntpckr was using internal storage or connected to their Fibre Channel storage array.

As far as costs we also have to keep in mind the SETI@home server equipment is housed in a campus colocation facility that has a fee per rack unit. If we built one we would probably be looking at at least a 3U server filled with SSDs.

EDIT: Berkeley charges $14/mo per rack unit. So $504/yr for a 3U server.
914) Message boards : Number crunching : Cuda50 will not run multiple units on my graphics card (Message 1770156)
Posted 7 Mar 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Jim are you asking someone or saying yours is doing that?

Mine started doing it...Sporadically at first Now the log files say they find it , However S@H seems to ignore it.
It worked fine for weeks.

I know BOINC will ignore the <cpu_usage>1.0</cpu_usage> setting if there are High Priority CPU tasks.
Maybe similar situations cause the whole thing to be ignored?
915) Message boards : Number crunching : What does SETI need? BOINC? (Message 1770152)
Posted 7 Mar 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
So, is it unlimited storage per CPU instance, as we were talking about GB's not CPU's initially? Not trying to be thick here, just trying to understand how it all works together.

Generally you configure however much storage you need. I configured mine with 10GB as that was the minimum & more than I needed. Google does limit me to 65,536 GB per volume, but I do not have a limit on the number of volumes I can create. If I needed 200TB I could create 4 50TB volumes & then use the OS to set them up in RAID0. In this case RAID0 is unlikely to be an issue for data loss. As the volumes are virtual devices coming from a SAN. However configuring RAID10 using volumes from different data centers could be used for absolute redundancy.

It looks like the way Google is doing pricing for storage is based on the amount of data r/w from the storage. Rather than a flat fee for the size. Much like network traffic.
So far for March my disk usage is
Compute Engine Storage Capacity: 1.333 Gibibyte-months $0.05

EDIT: TL;DR The amount of storage is only limited by your pocketbook.
916) Message boards : Number crunching : What does SETI need? BOINC? (Message 1770141)
Posted 7 Mar 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Interesting info, but I'm slightly confused to what you are referencing, as I'm not a huge cloud fan personally, so am probably not up on the exact termiology. You say Google Cloud Compute instance, and then talk about 8 or 64 CPU instance, which to my way of thinking indicates processing (CPU) power, where I thought the discussion we were having was regarding large, fast online storage capacity. Could you please explain it out a bit for those of us who aren't up to speed on things Cloud?

It's been mentioned a few times but currently SETI@home is developing ntpckr in a cloud environment. Which would make purchasing/building a ntpckr server with super fast storage unnecessary.

Edit: The disk i/o from a cloud storage farm is mind boggling.
917) Message boards : Number crunching : What does SETI need? BOINC? (Message 1770124)
Posted 6 Mar 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thanks for the explanation. I am curious, so I did a little more searching around for pricing info, no one yet has solid pricing, but here is an interesting guess from this article -

http://www.datacenterdynamics.com/servers-storage/samsung-sets-the-pace-with-a-monster-15tb-solid-state-drive/95805.fullarticle

The South Korean company has released plenty of specifications, except the price. The drives will be sold through Samsung resellers so prices will filter through, but the channel is not expecting tags below £15,000.


Which at todays exchange rate: 15000 British pounds = 21327.7500 US dollars

Talk about a fund drive! Lets say we got 10, to have 1-2 as hot spares and whatever is needed for room for parity, plus having a little bit of extra room to grow, that would be about $200k. And that doesn't include whatever enclosure is needed to house these bad boys, talk about a high speed backplane.. Imagine how nice things would run with those babys in place. One can dream, eh? :)

If pricing is expected to be £15,000 GBP I would imagine it would be closer to $17,000 USD. Probably about $17,500 as good that some of South Korea tend to be about 17% more than the same items in the UK without VAT. Once you figure in VAT the amounts are nearly the same or a bit less in the USD. I believe UK VAT is about 17.5% at the moment.

Only $200k? It's not like that is about half of SETI@homes annual budget. This is probably why they are looking to a cloud solution. Given there is no cost to maintain the hardware & they only have to pay for the computing the need.

I'm playing with a Google Cloud Compute instance. As they give new users 60 days and $300 in credit to do whatever they like. The 8 CPU instance costs about $7.30/day averaging 99.982% load. If that were scaled to a 64 CPU instance that comes to $58.40/day. Things get cheaper as you scale so it would actually be less than that. However at $58.40/day that is $21,316/year, <$1800/mo, with no upfront costs. I don't know the Amazon Cloud Compute rates for the instance SETI@home is using to experiment. I imagine they are getting a better rates since they went with their service. Education rates are often cheaper too.
918) Message boards : Number crunching : What does SETI need? BOINC? (Message 1770057)
Posted 6 Mar 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The whole idea is that the science database holds the canonical result of every workunit computed since the public launch of the project in 1999. That's two billion records since the switch to the BOINC platform in 2005, with up to 30 signals (of potential interest) stored for each workunit - and growing by about a million workunits a day. It grows faster and faster, as people here throw bigger and bigger GPUs into the mix.

Pick any two needles out of that haystack, and see if they match. And do it again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, ...

I'm thinking it was some of the youtube videos of Jeff or Matt talking about how quickly the size grows, but I've slept since then.
I want to say the db at that time was around 90TB or so... maybe it was 190TB.

Edit: A quick search turned up a post Matt made last year under How could we improve things? "2. More and faster storage. If we could get, like, a few hundred usuable TB of archival (i.e. not necessarily fast) storage and, say, 50-100 TB of usuable SSD storage"

I don't know the status of any of those items on the list, but they asked for any specific stuff in a while.
919) Message boards : Number crunching : Anything relating to AstroPulse tasks (Message 1770056)
Posted 6 Mar 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Looking at the Haveland graphs it looks about the same as normal to me. Could be the lack of AP in your diet getting to your head :P


Very interesting page, didn't know it existed. It seems that the S@H part is for v7 only... is there a page for v8 somewhere?
(sorry for the off topic)

I don't think so. I would guess they are reading the first two columns under Database/file status from the Server status. I believe the same thing occurred in transition from Astropulse v6 to v7.
As the three apps being displayed is only temporary the person running the stats site probably doesn't see the need to do more coding. I don't think I would myself. I'm happy they have taken the time to publish the info.
920) Message boards : Number crunching : GPU Upgrade - need advice (Message 1770054)
Posted 6 Mar 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thanks everyone for the great insight. Looks like I need to go with the GTX 750 Ti and spend $150CDN to get a worthwhile performance boost. Some thinking to do.

My main goal in upgrading is better performance and lower power usage. If I can't get both. Then I choose between same performance for lower power usage or better performance for same power usage.
After deciding on the part to get I figure out how much I need to spend and if that is what I want to do. Normally I wait until tax refund time and use that money for any fancy upgrades I want to do.
921) Message boards : Number crunching : I think I'm going to lose this one... cuda50 vs. armv7-vfpv3d16-nopie (Message 1769952)
Posted 6 Mar 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Wouldn't be too worried, since that Cuda wingman is spitting out invalids and appears broken, the likelihood of another wingman, especially Cuda matching them over yours is basically zero.

Yeah normally only false -9 overflow results get matched up. The _0 host has an oddly specific output to their result.
922) Message boards : Number crunching : Linux vs Windows (Message 1769933)
Posted 6 Mar 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Jason, a few years back, when I was all hyped up about getting my little farm together, a fellow by the name of Dotsch had spent time programming a few ways to run Linux, including one that really caught my eye, as a headless/diskless setup, booting off of a main drive off the network if I remember correctly.

I thought that was quite cool, so this week when I started things rolling a little around here, I looked him up, and it appears that he hasn't been around here for about 3 or so years. His stuff is still up, and his site even has a contact email on it on one of the pages, but I never heard back from him after I sent him a Hi, howya doin' message.

Does anyone know what may have happened to him, since his stuff is still up and available (thought doubtful it would still work properly, as I believe the last work he did was update it to work with version 7)? I hope he is ok, I had communicated with him a few times, he was a very nice person, quite responsive and always looking for input to make things better.

I'd love to have the ability to use what he started, but as the new version is out, and I have absolutely 0 ability to code, it doesn't look very promising. Anyone know anything?

There are SETI@home v8 applications. So it should just be a matter of swapping out the old apps with the new ones.

Dotsch might have also been the one that made a version of WinPE to boot off an image and run BOINC from a network folder. Where each host would look for a folder that matched its MAC address. I played around with that, but found it easier to use USB flash drives instead.
923) Message boards : Number crunching : Need help - Seti v8 MB units running forever (Message 1769929)
Posted 6 Mar 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Everything is working fine now with the lunatics binary - so it appears to be a bug in the official v8 MB software, wouldn't you say? Although, I don't understand why it doesn't affect other machines.
Thanks for everyone's help with this issue - its much appreciated!

Either a bug or another limitation. As the error doesn't seems to occur with more recent distros. However a distro that is less than 3 years old I would expect to work. Unless there is a fault in something that requires being updated.
924) Message boards : Number crunching : What does SETI need? BOINC? (Message 1769928)
Posted 6 Mar 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
..that Pricing Hasn't Been Announced.

Just saw one that thought it would go for upwards of $5,000.- which is nothing.



I'd say >$2,000 per Terabyte (using Fixstars 13TB SSD for comparison).

WD has some high capacity HDDs (6TB, 8TB, & 10TB) for much less $. These are Helium filled units which according to "Western Digital’s own figures put the power consumption ... at 23% less than its own conventional air-filled drives."



Say What? ~$30K per Drive? I don't know, but to me, if that is true, that's insane...

I should have been clearer. The 13TB=$1,000/TB (in 'normal' mode), then further into the article:

"it also features a proprietary “high durability” mode. With this mode enabled, the durability and longevity of the drive is promised to be tripled but in return, the capacity is cut in half. Oh dear, “only” 6.5TB remain on your $13,000 dollar, 13TB SSD—for those of you that aren’t keeping count, that is $2,000 per Terabyte."

Setup up RAID10 of 16 and then we might start having enough drive i/o.
Hopefully the cloud solution proves viable. So they don't have to own/maintain equipment like that. Which makes me wonder if making ntpckr a BOINC project would be viable.
925) Message boards : Number crunching : GPU Upgrade - need advice (Message 1769926)
Posted 6 Mar 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Generally if it's running at stock speed, no extra power connector is required. If it's overclocked then it may or may not require the extra power.


On my ASUS 750Ti it doesn't need the power connector for video, but BOINC doesn't recognize it without the extra power plug.

To clear up any confusion in my previous statement. I meant that the connector would no be required to be present on the card if running at stock speeds. At it is rated for 60w. Some of the OC versions have power connectors and some do not.

Many GPUs will power up without their PCIe power connectors attached. However they tend to only run in their lowest power mode. Which is enough for basic OS desktop needs & troubleshooting.
Looks like Asus has configured that card to only run at P0 unless it has additional power. Does it have a high factory OC? Perhaps they just configured it that way expecting people to push it further.
926) Message boards : Number crunching : Getting back into it, advice appreciated (Message 1769852)
Posted 5 Mar 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

I did notice that the ram sockets were kind of weird, they only had hold downs on one end instead of both like I am used to. I will have to shut this bad boy down and re-seat them later today, do you know if there is a program that can identify which sockets have RAM recognized, so I'd only have to mess with 2?

Oh, and my 980 is only slightly overclocked via the EVGA PrecisionX program, and I noticed that it shows that the GPU is running at about 78* with the fan running at 100%. Does this seem high to you?


You can check in your Bios and it should tell you which slots it sees.

As long as they are below 80C I think you are ok. Are you running 980 ACX or reference? What about the 670s? What kind of fans do they have?

CPUz will ID the RAM per slot as well.
927) Message boards : Number crunching : Getting back into it, advice appreciated (Message 1769818)
Posted 5 Mar 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Don't bother overclocking a CPU these days - even wildly overclocked you won't get the same return as a low-end GPU running at stock speed. Even GPU overclocking is fraught with difficulties, so these days I run stock or "factory settings" on everything, its just so much less hassle and so much more reliable.

It seems every GPU comes factory OC now anyway. Which may not leave the end user much room to play with, or it will put the point of diminishing returns much lower than the user expects. There by consuming a lot more power for each small % of OC applied.
I generally have my i5-4670K OC to 4.0GHz. I have played around with limiting the CPU to various speeds from 3.0 to 4.0GHz while running GPU tasks. Given that the SETI@home OpenCL apps don't fully hammer a full CPU core like some other projects do. The CPU speed changes didn't have a significant impact. Einstein had the largest impact of the projects I tested. As it has a high CPU load for the GPU app.
928) Message boards : Number crunching : What does SETI need? BOINC? (Message 1769804)
Posted 5 Mar 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I've used two SSD on my Linux boxes, a 120 GB OCZ Vertex 4 and a 256 GB Samsung 840 and they both failed after a while. So I reverted to hard disks.
Tullio

OCZ SSDs were as notorious for failing as the IBM Deskstar drives. I think that is one of the key things that lead to OCZ going bankrupt and being bought by Toshiba.
I haven't seen a similar widespread failure rate in Samsung models. However I don't feel they are worth the extra cost vs some other drives.

Enterprise level SSDs like SETI@home would need tend to be a bit more reliable than consumer desktop models. They have also surpassed HDDs in the reliability metric.
929) Message boards : Number crunching : Cruncher Down - Help me find a motherboard (Message 1769783)
Posted 5 Mar 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:



Dell often uses a different PSU pinout or a different sized connector from standard for the MB. I have seen adapter cables but only for using a standards PSU with a Dell MB. Maybe someone does make a cable to go the other way.

By the time that model was released Dell had stopped using their oddball wired PSU's. ;-)

Cheers.

Some of the newer Dell Optiplex systems I had at work were still using the smaller PSU connector. I didn't check to see if they were still using odd wiring or not. Just one of those things to make sure to watch for if mixing OEM and standard parts.
930) Message boards : Number crunching : After Windows Update No Log-In Possible. (Message 1769681)
Posted 5 Mar 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Do they have another computer they could use to access this one over the network? Connecting to the troublesome machine via Computer Management will give access to users/groups & event logs.
931) Message boards : Number crunching : Cruncher Down - Help me find a motherboard (Message 1769671)
Posted 5 Mar 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
My approximately 5 year old Dell has died after a power outage. Pressing the power button does nothing. With the 24 pin connector disconnected from the motherboard, shorting the green wire to the black wire next to it brings the power supply to life. So I conclude I need a motherboard.

It's a Dell Inspiron 570. According to Dell the model number of the motherboard is 4N3H3. All I can find online for the 570 is model number 4GJJT. I know there are different versions of the 570.

Does anyone know where I can find the 4N3H3?

Thanks.


Do you need a dell motherboard? You could always put in a name brand board in the same form factor. I have an e-machines case that has an asus board in it now.

Here are some micro atx boards. I think you will need to upgrade to DDR3

Dell often uses a different PSU pinout or a different sized connector from standard for the MB. I have seen adapter cables but only for using a standards PSU with a Dell MB. Maybe someone does make a cable to go the other way.
932) Message boards : Number crunching : Need help - Seti v8 MB units running forever (Message 1769648)
Posted 5 Mar 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I noticed your host 7011730 that was having the issue looks to be running an older OS, Linux 3.11.10, than your two other machines. Which have Linux 4.1.2 & Linux 4.4.3.

Possibly an older lib somewhere mucking up the works for the stock app?
933) Message boards : Number crunching : What does SETI need? BOINC? (Message 1769646)
Posted 5 Mar 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
So, as always, money is the main need, both directly and indirectly. Are there any pressing needs like the server crisis I remembered from back then? You mentioned some hardware, is there any specifics of what is needed currently to make the project operate more smoothly? What exactly is the near time persistency checker, and why isn't it operating 24/7?

The server infrastructure can't handle running ntpckr & the project at the same time. It's the 10lbs of stuff in a 5lb box problem.
934) Message boards : Number crunching : Need help - Seti v8 MB units running forever (Message 1769644)
Posted 5 Mar 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I tried an experiment this afternoon and installed the Lunatics V8 MB executable just to see if that was going to have the same issue - and so far it hasn't. Of course its going to take several days to see this is really working but it looks promising after 6 hours or so on lunatics. One thing i do notice with lunatics tho and maybe its nothing but the estimated total time per work unit seems high most are 5 hours plus and some are 14 and a few are around 2 hours.

Switching to anonymous platform means the server has to relearn how long it takes to complete tasks for the application. It also happens when switching to a new application like the change from SETI@home v7 to SETI@home v8.
After about 10-11 completed tasks you will see the estimated time for newly received tasks will be lower and lower until it is accurate.

I would guess the 5 and 2 hour tasks are probably VHAR tasks or the the 14 hour ones are VLAR tasks.
935) Message boards : Number crunching : who has a AMD R9 290x ????? (Message 1769547)
Posted 4 Mar 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
that way i understood vulkan is: part of it is kinda like an add-on to OpenCL .helps it run more efficiently and of course its own api.

Vulkan is just a separate API that is more related to OpenGL.
Saying Vulkan improves OpenCL performance is like saying updating DirectX will make OpenCL work better. The Vulkan driver includes a newer OpenCL component. Which should be the main cause of any differences. Other than changes to the base driver.
936) Message boards : Number crunching : Radeon Software Crimson (Message 1769513)
Posted 4 Mar 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
For what its worth, my D700's in my Mac Pro (essentially 7970's) run multiple wu's just fine. I've tried up to 4 but settled on 2 because its bumps the RAC just a hair. Of course, being Apple, they may be using some other OpenCL implementation than AMD's...

Chris

Since Apple was the initial creator of OpenCL I wonder if they use some coding tricks they didn't share with the rest of the group. Then again it could just be AMD being AMD and not following the specification 100%.
937) Message boards : Number crunching : Need help - Seti v8 MB units running forever (Message 1769382)
Posted 4 Mar 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have an 8 core google cloud compute instance running SETI@home with Ubuntu. The only issue I had was forgetting to give the optimized apps execute permission when I first coped them over. I was running the stock apps and recently switched to the optimized AVX versions.
938) Message boards : Number crunching : Acer Iconia One 10 Android tablet (Message 1769170)
Posted 3 Mar 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Most of the discussion about that seems be on on Beta in New Android apps for SETI@home v8. Looks to be a work in progress. You could see if the 8.01 app fixes the issue with restarts.
939) Message boards : Number crunching : GPU Upgrade - need advice (Message 1769158)
Posted 3 Mar 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hello, just got back into SETI@HOME and I'm looking to upgrade my GPU...I currently have a Radeon HD 4830 512MB PCIe 2.0 x16 card. I'm looking for something under $50 in Canada...so far I've found a ZOTAC GT 710, EVGA GeForce 8400 GS and ASUS Radeon HD 5450 all 1GB memory that fit the bill. Which is the best choice and is there something else out there that is better? What is the most important feature? Core clock, memory clock, CUDA cores, memory size???

The most important value to use in comparison is generally the GFLOPS rating. Think of it like the horsepower rating for the GPU.
Wikipedia is a good resource to quickly look up those values
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_AMD_graphics_processing_units
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nvidia_graphics_processing_units
For the GPUs you listed.
8400 GS - 43 GFLOPs, 40W Released 2007
HD 5450 - 104 GFLOPs, 19W Released 2010
GT 710 - 366 GFLOPs, 19W Released 2014
HD 4830 - 736 GFLOPs, 95W Released 2008
Compared to your current GPU they are all lower powered, but if that is what you are looking for then the 710 seems like the best choice. It is also the newest out of all of them.

If you are shopping for lower end cards like these look for ones that have GDDR memory instead of DDR. Also the memory bus width. Higher is better. As far as the amount of memory 1GB is more than sufficient for running SETI@home.
940) Message boards : Number crunching : who has a AMD R9 290x ????? (Message 1769057)
Posted 2 Mar 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
There are many users with Hawaii GPUs. If they are R9 290, R9 290X, R9 390, or R9 390X is not easy to know
941) Message boards : Number crunching : Difference between app_info and app_config files?? (Message 1769055)
Posted 2 Mar 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
thoughts??

It looks like you have duplicate copies of <app_version> for each platform. If you are only running 1 app on one platform you can strip it down to just one app version entry.

Example of my of my app_info.xml. Note I rename files so do not copy and paste this to your system. Also if stripping down to just 1 platform it might be good to run down your work cache in the event BOINC has some work flagged with both platforms.
<app_info>
	<app>
		<name>setiathome_v8</name>
		<user_friendly_name>SETI@home</user_friendly_name>
	</app>
	<file_info>
		<name>MB8_r3330_x86_S2_ATi_HD5.exe</name>
		<executable/>
	</file_info>
	<file_info>
		<name>libfftw3f-3-3-4_x86.dll</name>
	<executable/>
	</file_info>
	<file_info>
 		<name>MB8_r3330_x86_S2_ATi_HD5.txt</name>
	</file_info>
	<app_version>
		<app_name>setiathome_v8</app_name>
		<version_num>800</version_num>
		<platform>windows_x86_64</platform>
		<api_version>7.5.0</api_version>
		<avg_ncpus>0.04</avg_ncpus>
		<max_ncpus>0.2</max_ncpus>
		<plan_class>opencl_ati5_nocal</plan_class>
		<coproc>
			<type>ATI</type>
			<count>1</count>
		</coproc>
		<file_ref>
			<file_name>MB8_r3330_x86_S2_ATi_HD5.exe</file_name>
			<main_program/>
		</file_ref>
		<file_ref>
			<file_name>libfftw3f-3-3-4_x86.dll</file_name>
		</file_ref>
		<file_ref>
			<file_name>MB8_r3330_x86_S2_ATi_HD5.txt</file_name>
			<open_name>mb_cmdline.txt</open_name>
		</file_ref>
	</app_version>
</app_info>
942) Message boards : Number crunching : Getting back into it, advice appreciated (Message 1769050)
Posted 2 Mar 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

EDIT: It made me sad when I looked at the MB run times on the three 750Ti system. They run MB work in about the same time my R9 390x does. However looking at the AP run times on the 750Ti's and the 970's made me happy again.


Yeah, there is still a lot of unrealized potential in the AMD cards. Hopefully some of the streams/stream concurrency methods used in Cuda will translate to some extent to the OpenCL apps. Probably wishful thinking but hopefully not lol.

OpenCL is pretty high level compared to CUDA from my understanding. Which might be a limiting factor. If that is true perhaps Vulkan has the potential to improve on any shortcomings of OpenCL.
943) Message boards : Number crunching : Getting back into it, advice appreciated (Message 1769045)
Posted 2 Mar 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I think he runs AP's two at a time. I'm not sure.

They would need to run 3-4 AP at a time to average the same kind of output. I'm not sure the 970 could manage that. It's only ~3500 GFLOP vs ~5900 GFLOP. I tried looking at some 980Ti and Titan X systems but they had run times in the 45min to 1hr range. Which if they are running 4 then it puts them about on par with my ~12 min run times.
944) Message boards : Number crunching : Getting back into it, advice appreciated (Message 1769034)
Posted 2 Mar 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
From the top hosts list You can find a machine with 3 GTX970's and a machine with 3 GTX750Ti's. Their performance is at about 115000 RAC and 65000 RAC with the best current alpha software. That should give some indication of what to expect in near future. He's running one task at a time on each GPU.

So the system with three 970's has about 1.77 times as much output for about 2.42 times as much power used compared to the system with three 750TI's.

EDIT: It made me sad when I looked at the MB run times on the three 750Ti system. They run MB work in about the same time my R9 390x does. However looking at the AP run times on the 750Ti's and the 970's made me happy again.
945) Message boards : Number crunching : Radeon Software Crimson (Message 1769029)
Posted 2 Mar 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I did some testing running 2 tasks at once on my 390x. Initially it looked promising, but after a few tasks completed the system went into hard lock. After a cold restart it happened again in about the same amount of time. So that looks like a no go for me.

While running 1 task the GPU usage in GPUz does look more like a square wave than my previous GPUs the average usage is still rather high. In my last test i believe the average usage was around 88%.
946) Message boards : Number crunching : Noctua Coolers (Best) (Message 1768936)
Posted 2 Mar 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
My Noctua NH-D14 has been working well with my i5-4670K @ 4.0GHz.
947) Message boards : Number crunching : Difference between app_info and app_config files?? (Message 1768919)
Posted 2 Mar 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
You don't need one... unless you do. At which point it would be good to make one.
The main purpose of an app_config is to give users of stock apps functions they wouldn't otherwise have. It also makes it easier to adjust some values instead of messing around with your app_info. Where a mistake in the app_info can cause BOINC to dump all of your work.
When all else fail you can see the manual for the app_config.xml.
948) Message boards : Number crunching : Getting back into it, advice appreciated (Message 1768914)
Posted 2 Mar 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
So, in the scheme of things, if I am replacing those cards with newer ones, it would make more sense to go with the 700 series cards over the 600 series, even if they are a bit more expensive on the used market? Is there one that would hit a sweet spot in terms of $ per performance? 750, 770, 780? Can't afford to break the bank, but also want the one that would make the most sense. Thoughts?

The 750 Ti is one of the best cards in terms of performance per watt. Given a new EVGA GeForce GTX 750 Ti SC is currently $110 makes hard not to choose. Compared to the 8800 GT it is about 3 time as fast and uses about 40% less power.
For the 670 I think a GTX 970 might be more suitable replacement. Depending on your budget. A 970 might be more money than a 770 upfront but it is 145w and a 770 is 230w. If you run your machine 24/7 that is 62KW/h less a month for the 970. With my electric rates that is about $11 a month, or $132 a year, less for the 970.
949) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows 10 - Yea or Nay? (Message 1768873)
Posted 1 Mar 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
But there was another issue that was raised (also in this thread) whereby even if you block the DNS lookups for stuff... things STILL get through, because they are hard-coded in the DLLs and so forth to use specific IPs without needing to be looked-up. Someone tested that by not setting a DNS entry on their machine and they were still able to get communication to Windows Update and a lot of the Cortana stuff.

Yep, which is why you don't block with a hosts file, but with a hardware firewall based on IP, which will work with all the computers behind it.

Over the years I have added IPs to my router to block. So far I have these all in my block list.
64.34.0.0 ~ 64.34.255.255
64.94.107.0 ~ 64.94.107.255
74.125.45.100 ~ 74.125.45.100
74.125.226.254 ~ 74.125.226.254
84.19.171.6 ~ 84.19.171.6
173.194.43.28 ~ 173.194.43.28
195.50.191.14 ~ 195.50.191.14
200.0.0.0 ~ 200.255.255.255
202.97.192.0 ~ 202.97.255.255
211.73.192.0 ~ 211.73.223.255
216.157.0.0 ~ 216.157.255.255
216.73.93.8 ~ 216.73.93.8
218.0.0.0 ~ 218.255.255.255
221.0.0.0 ~ 221.255.255.255

I don't recall what most of them are, and recently I found I'm going to have to start making an IPv6 list as well.
950) Message boards : Number crunching : Anything relating to AstroPulse tasks (Message 1768857)
Posted 1 Mar 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hal I agree with Chris there were over 200 channels to go when I went to bed last night and they were gone by 4:30 AM PST.

Ah. Possibly only the data sets that have not been processed by AP were actually split. With the remaining channels simply being skipped over.
951) Message boards : Number crunching : Anything relating to AstroPulse tasks (Message 1768844)
Posted 1 Mar 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
True, that's just one of the fastest times its burned through that many tapes. It only took it like 6 hours. Normally would have taken twice that long (purely estimating, no imperial data to support that other than my gut and its mainly just hungry right now lol).

Looking at the Haveland graphs it looks about the same as normal to me. Could be the lack of AP in your diet getting to your head :P
952) Message boards : Number crunching : Need help with "mb_cmdline-8.00_windows_intel_opencl_ati5_sah" settings (Message 1768843)
Posted 1 Mar 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
what VM ??
files *.bin* should be replaced with taken from working driver version (renamed to the names original one have). Wisdom file can be leaved as is.

Sorry, my brain likes to think of them as VM file rather than .bin because of the way they end. But these files:
MultiBeam_Kernels_r3330.clHD5_Hawaii.bin_V7_19125VM
MB_clFFTplan_Hawaii_8_gr64_lr16_wg256_tw0_ls1024_bn16_cw16_r3330.bin_19125VM
...
MB_clFFTplan_Hawaii_524288_gr64_lr16_wg256_tw0_ls1024_bn16_cw16_r3330.bin_19125VM

Also I just noticed MultiBeam_Kernels_r3330.clHD5_Hawaii.bin_V7_19125VM. Is that meant to be MB version or something different?
953) Message boards : Number crunching : Anything relating to AstroPulse tasks (Message 1768840)
Posted 1 Mar 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Yeah, I went to bed and there were 170+ channels and then zilch when I woke up. I presume something happened to the splitters.

170 channels only comes to about 75000 AP. Which looks to be about the amount the out in the field went up.
954) Message boards : Number crunching : Need help with "mb_cmdline-8.00_windows_intel_opencl_ati5_sah" settings (Message 1768837)
Posted 1 Mar 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Another possibility to deal with this issue - to use binary kernels generated for this GPU model under different driver/OS.
This was used already to deal with broken AMD drivers before.

Should removing VM & Wisdom files be one of the first steps in troubleshooting? Wisdom files take sometime to be rebuilt so maybe just VM files?
955) Message boards : Number crunching : Need help with "mb_cmdline-8.00_windows_intel_opencl_ati5_sah" settings (Message 1768836)
Posted 1 Mar 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
It is probably the driver provided by Windows Update of Windows10.

Driver version 15.201.1151-150821a
Catalyst version 2015.0821.2209.38003 (CAT 15.8?)

That is probably where it is coming from, but I didn't want to dig through the Windows Update Catalog to find it.
956) Message boards : Number crunching : How many tasks can a GPU do at once? (Message 1768722)
Posted 1 Mar 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have an FX 8350 running at 4.7ghz.

I wasn't worried about AP units because I never seem to get them on this one. Very few anyway. Maybe I have it set up wrong. I'm very new to this.

I have the GPU set to .5 and .1 CPU for each task in the app config file and I have the max seti can use set to 100% CPU on the computing preferences.

Here is my app_config file-

<app_config>
<app>
<name>setiathome_v8</name>
<gpu_versions>
<gpu_usage>0.50</gpu_usage>
<cpu_usage>0.1</cpu_usage>
</gpu_versions>
</app>

<app>
<name>astropulse_v7</name>
<gpu_versions>
<gpu_usage>0.50</gpu_usage>
<cpu_usage>0.1</cpu_usage>
</gpu_versions>
</app>
</app_config>

If you are only running tasks on the GPU the value for CPU_usage doesn't really matter. However if you are also running tasks on the CPU it's generally a good idea to allocate more CPU for the GPU app(s). Otherwise the GPU app(s) may run slower due to lack of sufficient CPU resources.
Ideally you would want to use:
<gpu_usage>0.5</gpu_usage>
<cpu_usage>1.0</cpu_usage>
However you may be able to get away with:
<gpu_usage>0.5</gpu_usage>
<cpu_usage>0.5</cpu_usage>
957) Message boards : Number crunching : Need help with "mb_cmdline-8.00_windows_intel_opencl_ati5_sah" settings (Message 1768682)
Posted 29 Feb 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
First of all, I want to make this very clear: I might know how to read Stderr output files but I do NOT pretend to understand what I am reading. That being said, after I aborted the tasks I talked about in the previous posts here, I read through their Stderr output files and something doesn't seem to add up.

The most obvious thing was the fact, that in both files and in all of the entries reflecting the numerous task restarts, none indicate that -sbs or -period_iterations_num ever changed. That is, every entry states "Single buffer allocation size: 128MB" and "period_iterations_num=50".

This made me wonder if I had somehow screwed up again. I thought I had been setting the proper cmdline file with a numerical variations of "-sbs 128 -period_iterations_num 100" each time I restarted. Could I have been adjusting the wrong file? Or, did I screw up on the format again? (I really don't think so.)

Then I noticed this, near the bottom of both Stderr files and directly underneath the last entry of "period_iterations_num=50": "Not using mb_cmdline.txt-file, using commandline options".

I would think that, if I were adjusting the wrong file, this "Not using mb_cmdline.txt-file, using commandline options" message would come after every restart, not just after one of them. And, I would think that if I had used the wrong format, a different message might be generated.

But, as I said at the beginning, I do NOT pretend to understand what I have read. I hope someone who does understand can explain.

Which driver release are you using? I just noticed your OpenCL version is 1800.11, but I don't know what driver that belongs to. I have seen a few others that have had issues with the same OpenCL version. It could be unrelated, but figured I'd mention it.
Cat 15.7 = 1800.5
Cat 15.7.1 = 1800.8
Cat 15.11 = 1912.5
958) Message boards : Number crunching : Radeon Software Crimson (Message 1768626)
Posted 29 Feb 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Gerry's Hawaii MBv8 tasks with OCL v2004.3 look very similar to my R9 390x with Cat 15.7 OCL v1800.5. Both running normal AR WUs in about 6-7 min.

If the issue preventing you from running more than 1 task per GPU is in the OpenCL portion of the driver I don't believe the 16.2 Beta driver set will be any different. However the Vulkan Beta looks to have all components updated. So maybe it will work more than 1 task at a time per GPU.
959) Message boards : Number crunching : Need help with "mb_cmdline-8.00_windows_intel_opencl_ati5_sah" settings (Message 1768407)
Posted 28 Feb 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I think main change is f..ed Windows 10 and its drivers.
I had no issues with HD6950 set to period_iterations_num 1 (!) for years under Vista x86.
Now I evaluating Win10 x64 - VLAR task causes driver restart even with 500 iterations....

I would recommend just to disable that damned watchdog in Windows registry if available under Win10. Will post how to if find it for own host.

I think the registry values you are wanting to adjust are TdrDelay & TdrLevel.
960) Message boards : Number crunching : Say goodbye to SETI@home v7. (Message 1767881)
Posted 26 Feb 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
My say is ... Why not drop the deadline for processing to 2 weeks instead of 6 weeks to get the MB v7's out of the system at a high priority.

I doubt that is too hard to do on the scheduler side.

Likely because there is no need to move anything along. The v7 tasks will be returned when they are returned.
961) Message boards : Number crunching : Best computers for seti@home (Message 1767840)
Posted 26 Feb 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
What is the average donation, please?

According to the information from the Donation History the average donation comes to about $96.58.
962) Message boards : Number crunching : Best computers for seti@home (Message 1767633)
Posted 26 Feb 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
It depends on the direction you want to go.
1) Highest performance per watt.
2) Highest output possible.
3) Somewhere between 1 & 2.

Also it may depend on how you want to run the machine. If you are planning to have it run 24/7 what are you expecting for your electric usage? For $1000 you can build a system with a pair of pretty heavy GPUs. Which might use around 500 Watts while running under full SETI@home load or about 350KW/h a month.
963) Message boards : Number crunching : Getting back into it, advice appreciated (Message 1767324)
Posted 24 Feb 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The issue you had with your monitor seems odd to me. I was using an old 19" Samsung from 2003 on my current system with UEFI until it went kaput.

Many new video cards have a switch on them to toggle between UEFI & BIOS. You might check for a switch or button on your new video cards. Also I found that those devices tend to ship switched for BIOS & the documentation indicates you can switch them to UEFI for faster booting. If a card requires UEFI I expect there should be something in the description/specs for it, but I have not seen any cards myself that say "Only works with UEFI".

I haven't read anything about banning whole ranges of GPUs. However there are some known driver versions that I believe have been blacklisted. For OpenCL apps there is often a minimum version for a GPU to get sent work. Which is normally where flagging a driver version happens.
964) Message boards : Number crunching : how did this happen? (Message 1767197)
Posted 24 Feb 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Well only two were at the same time, but it has been known for a host to get more than 1 task at a time when requesting work.

The iGPU on my little J1900 system did actually manage three in one request today 24 Feb 2016, 1:21:29 UTC.
965) Message boards : Number crunching : can someone please look at my numbers... (Message 1767158)
Posted 23 Feb 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
both 290x are also overclocked to 1150/1400
both 280x's are overclocked to 1130/1600

My 390x is running at its factory clock. 1080MHz / 1500MHz
My i5-4760K is overclocked from 3.4GHz to 4.0GHz

I'm running 0 tasks on CPU & 1 task per GPU. Also I'm using Cat 15.7.1.

I did test overclocking my 390x to 1134MHz / 1575MHz (5%) but I didn't see any gain in doing so compared to the increase in power.
966) Message boards : Number crunching : RAC? (Message 1767141)
Posted 23 Feb 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
how long is the credit averaged over? 1 week?1 month?

http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Computation_credit#Recent_Average_Credit
967) Message boards : Number crunching : can someone please look at my numbers... (Message 1766889)
Posted 22 Feb 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Your 290x MB times look very similar to my 390x times. Also the only tuning parameters I'm using are: -hp -cpu_lock
968) Message boards : Number crunching : Radeon Software Crimson (Message 1766765)
Posted 21 Feb 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Crimson 16.1.1 Hotfix (Beta) is available...

With 290/390/Fiji now 2 WUs/GPU possible?
Someone tested it already?

Thanks.

I don't use beta drives with with my current release my R9 390x averages 95% usage when running 1 task at a time. MB or AP. Is that the reason why running multi tasks not possible on R9 380 & R9 Fury?


No.
I`m running 2 instances on my R9 380 and have only little issues.
On 2 or 3 taks a day buffer seems to break out of a sudden.
I could reduce errors with alpha app but i dont think it helps for the 390 and Fury`s.
I have tried Einstein for a couple hours and exactly the same happens there.
So we are almost certain its not app related.

Ok I wasn't sure if it was because the GPU was already reporting to be fully loaded. So no gain by running more than 1 task at a time.
The only other project I have tried on my 390x is Poem@home. It averages about 90%, but the usage is a lot more off/on, like a square wave. Where SETI@home apps tend to run in the 85-100% range. I was expecting to see lower usage numbers for the 390, but I guess it operates a bit differently.
969) Message boards : Number crunching : Toying with idea of "Hackintosh"... (Message 1766713)
Posted 21 Feb 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
As to the legality of Hackintosh; Apple already tried to put a stop to it, and FAILED. The legality of Hackintosh STANDS as they are using purchased copies of Snow Leopard to get going and therefore Apple is making their money off the purchases of their OS. There is NOTHING preventing other creative PC users from creating MACS out of their Intel based PCs; again NO GROUNDS for suit against the implementation of PURCHASED MAC OS software onto generic, custom built Intel PCs. :-P

[EDIT:]

Oh, this doesn't mean that Apple likes this situation! Just that Hackintosh has been found to be perfectly LEGAL!

So, Apple offers NO official support for Hackintosh; but, savvy PC users/builders are perfectly within their right to buy MAC OS X Snow Leopard and use the iBoot method to convert a relatively inexpensive PC into a MAC system and Upgrade it to El Capitan, the latest MAC OS.


If you could find a link to any sort of official statement that using Apple OSX in this way is not against their EULA I will be happy.

Remember you do not BUY the software, just a license to use it same as Windows.

Note this also from the EULA

The Apple software (including Boot ROM code), any third party software, documentation, interfaces, content, fonts and any data accompanying this License whether preinstalled on Apple-branded hardware, on disk, in read only memory, on any other media or in any other form (collectively the “Apple Software”) are licensed, not sold, to you by Apple Inc. (“Apple”) for use only under the terms of this License. Apple and/or Apple’s licensors retain ownership of the Apple Software itself and reserve all rights not expressly granted to you.


While Apple are unlikely to prosecute individuals as that would be bad PR they did successfully prosecute Psystar.

Psystar was an interesting case. The company actually sold computers pre-designed to accept OS X as a native operating system. As much as Psystar tried to circumvent the EULA by proving a bundled copy of OS X and not actually installing the software itself, Apple’s lawsuit was successful, winning damages and multiple appeals against Psystar, which has since been permanently barred from selling its Hackintosh systems.


The problem is not that you are going to use a companies product in violation of the EULA but you are going to detail how to do it on these boards.

Whilst breaking a EULA might seem OK, giving details of how to do it on a respected scientific projects forum is possibly not a good idea.

Carry on and convert to a hackingtosh if you must but I believe there a better places than here to discuss and document it.

Originally Apple tried to use their EULA against Psystar but that was tossed out. In order to install OS X on a machine, or VM, that was not designed/made by Apple requires breaking the US Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA). (That's means it is illegal in the US) Which where Apple won their with Psystar.
The DMCA is a rather overpowered and broken legislative device. Originally it pretty much made making legitimate backup copies of software illegal. However there are exemptions they add to it. One of them might be able to be applied to older versions of OS X.
Computer programs protected by dongles that prevent access due to malfunction or damage and which are obsolete.
I think it would be interesting to see the outcome if someone argued that the older versions of OS X that can not be run on current hardware fall under that exemption.

I would expect the reason that Apple hasn't gone after the Hackintosh community, like they normally go after anyone else, is that there is no global equivalent of the DMCA.

PearPC is a company I remember also making cones but they were outsides the US. Did they get taken down by Apple as well?
970) Message boards : Number crunching : Radeon Software Crimson (Message 1766699)
Posted 21 Feb 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Crimson 16.1.1 Hotfix (Beta) is available...

With 290/390/Fiji now 2 WUs/GPU possible?
Someone tested it already?

Thanks.

I don't use beta drives with with my current release my R9 390x averages 95% usage when running 1 task at a time. MB or AP. Is that the reason why running multi tasks not possible on R9 380 & R9 Fury?
971) Message boards : Number crunching : Three crunshing cards in one host -> how to config "app_config.xml" file ? (Message 1766532)
Posted 20 Feb 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thx, thats what i needed.

The second description did it.

But there one thing left.

The GT640 hab to crunsh 1 GPU task, and not 0.5 of it...

wooops...i don`t got an "app_info.xml" , bad ?

I didn't notice you were using stock, but not having an app_info.xml isn't a problem. There isn't anything that would be gained if you did. It doesn't offer any extra configuration options to help.

I'm not sure if the CUDA app supports the MultiBeam_<vendor>_config.xml. It allows configuration of each device independently. I think it is only available for OpenCL apps as the ReadMe_x41zi.txt doesn't mention it.
The CUDA does offer a cuda.cfg for app tuning for each device, but I don't see an option for number of instances.

I think someone with more NV experience might know the trick to this.
972) Message boards : Number crunching : I've Built a Couple OSX CUDA Apps... (Message 1766517)
Posted 20 Feb 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
If only you had said something last month.

I just threw away my install disk for some of those old OS 3 weeks ago.

Was going threw the closet and throwing away old boxes and ran across the disks on the top shelf....

I just cleaned my archive of 10.4.4 to 10.10 .dmgs. I didn't think I would need them any longer as I don't have any macs to care for these days. I guess I should have held onto them a bit longer. :/
973) Message boards : Number crunching : Three crunshing cards in one host -> how to config "app_config.xml" file ? (Message 1766512)
Posted 20 Feb 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I don't know where you got <version_num>800</version_num> but tthat isn't an option for the app_config.xml according to the documentation.

I think what you are wanting is something like this. Where each plan_class is defined.
Omitting the iGPU configuration should also work. As it is otherwise defied to run 1 instance in the app_info.xml.
<app_config>
	<app_version>
		<app_name>setiathome_v8</app_name>
		<plan_class>cuda50</plan_class>
		<max_concurrent>10</max_concurrent>
		<gpu_versions>
			<gpu_usage>.5</gpu_usage>
			<cpu_usage>.22</cpu_usage>
		</gpu_versions>
	</app_version>
	<app_version>
		<app_name>setiathome_v8</app_name>
		<plan_class>opencl_ati_cat132</plan_class>
		<max_concurrent>10</max_concurrent>
		<gpu_versions>
			<gpu_usage>.5</gpu_usage>
			<cpu_usage>.22</cpu_usage>
		</gpu_versions>
	</app_version>
	<app_version>
		<app_name>setiathome_v8</app_name>
		<plan_class>opencl_intel_gpu_sah</plan_class>
		<max_concurrent>10</max_concurrent>
		<gpu_versions>
			<gpu_usage>1</gpu_usage>
			<cpu_usage>.22</cpu_usage>
		</gpu_versions>
	</app_version>
</app_config>


However a more simplified versions could be telling all GPUs to run 2 except iGPU.
<app_config>
	<app>
		<name>setiathome_v8</name>
		<max_concurrent>10</max_concurrent>
		<gpu_versions>
			<gpu_usage>.5</gpu_usage>
			<cpu_usage>.22</cpu_usage>
		</gpu_versions>
	</app>
	<app_version>
		<app_name>setiathome_v8</app_name>
		<plan_class>opencl_intel_gpu_sah</plan_class>
		<max_concurrent>10</max_concurrent>
		<gpu_versions>
			<gpu_usage>1</gpu_usage>
			<cpu_usage>.22</cpu_usage>
		</gpu_versions>
	</app_version>
</app_config>
974) Message boards : Number crunching : OS on a HDD and RAID 0 with two 6TB HDDs? (Message 1766340)
Posted 19 Feb 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I found no answer in the web about the following...


I will install Windows 10 Pro x64.

I could buy 512n and 512e HDDs, the 4Kn are little bit costly.

AFAIK, 512e HDDs are slower, because in it they must 'change' the 512 bytes to 4 KB (8x 512b sector) - this speed difference is still happen/correct (maybe newest HDDs (which?) do this faster?)?


I can buy 512n HDDs and Win10 Pro x64 ((currently and coming software, tools, apps...) will work still with 512 bytes?) will work properly (with and without RAID 0?)?


Thanks.

Did some test & drives still came up 512 logical. After doing some research I found out.
Intel RST does not support 4k native sector size devices.

So you will have to buy a controller with 4Kn support if you want to use it. If doing that might as well go with SAS instead of SATA as I mentioned in your last drive thread.
975) Message boards : Number crunching : What Happened? (Message 1766321)
Posted 19 Feb 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=79117
976) Message boards : Number crunching : OS on a HDD and RAID 0 with two 6TB HDDs? (Message 1766315)
Posted 19 Feb 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I found no answer in the web about the following...


I will install Windows 10 Pro x64.

I could buy 512n and 512e HDDs, the 4Kn are little bit costly.

AFAIK, 512e HDDs are slower, because in it they must 'change' the 512 bytes to 4 KB (8x 512b sector) - this speed difference is still happen/correct (maybe newest HDDs do this faster?)?


I can buy 512n HDDs and Win10 Pro x64 ((currently and coming software, tools, apps...) will work still with 512 bytes?) will work properly (with and without RAID 0?)?


Thanks.

Windows has supported Advanced Format since the release of Windows 8.0/Server 2012.

It looks like all of my current WD Green & Red drives have 4k sectors, but I am using windows 7. So they operate at 512 to the OS.


I might have to pull one of my RAID drives and load Windows 10 on it to see if the drives are Advanced Format 512e or 4Kn.

The logical sector size will not itself be faster or slower. It depends on the data size you are using. Read/writing lots of small files is actually slower on a 4Kn drive than with a 512 drive.
977) Message boards : Number crunching : Toying with idea of "Hackintosh"... (Message 1766242)
Posted 19 Feb 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Was the site you went to http://www.hackintosh.com/? Back when I was messing around with setting up a hackintosh that site seemed to be the best source to find everything.

No, not that site, but that's useful too. I'm currently reading the Tonymacx86 Blog site. There, I downloaded and burned iBoot 3.3.0 to DVD and today I received a copy of Snow Leopard from a MAC friend. :-)

Tomorrow, I'm going to purchase a new 1 TB drive to install MAC OS onto. I hope this will be as simple as Tonymacx86 says it is. Apparently using the iBoot system eliminates a lot of hassle. We'll see.


TL

Their iBoot loader does make things much easier.
978) Message boards : Number crunching : What means Vulkan API to crunshing ? (Message 1766176)
Posted 19 Feb 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
How can i find in the results, a person who crunshed with the SAME Gigabyte 1GB HD 6950 like me ? Just to compare the results and find some improvments of the API for the project.

Looks like AMD is only supporting Vulkan on GCN 1.1 and newer GPUs. See Vulkan Product Compatibility
979) Message boards : Number crunching : Toying with idea of "Hackintosh"... (Message 1766171)
Posted 19 Feb 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Was the site you went to http://www.hackintosh.com/? Back when I was messing around with setting up a hackintosh that site seemed to be the best source to find everything.
980) Message boards : Number crunching : Wanna save energy on gpu crunshing ? (Message 1766057)
Posted 18 Feb 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

So do what most people are now doing GO SOLAR then it wont matter how much power you use as it's free from the sun and the whole system will pay for itself in just 2-5 years depending on how much power you use.

This sounds so nice! Especially if rigged so that crunchers automatically wake up at sunrise, power down at sunset. I suppose the initial costs to set the system up are rather high though, maybe someday..

I have mostly seen solar panel systems setup where the aim is to offset electric used. If you have a 5KW of panels & average 5 sun hours a day then you are offsetting 25KW/h each day. If your PC uses 250W while crunching that is only 6KW/h a day.
If you wanted to be more green then you could setup systems to only crunch during peak solar hours.
981) Message boards : Number crunching : What means Vulkan API to crunshing ? (Message 1765950)
Posted 18 Feb 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I read somewhere amidst the flurry, that AMD's Vulkan drivers were still in Beta

Maybe the 16.1.1 driver has it, but that is a beta driver. For my home systems I only use release drivers.
982) Message boards : Number crunching : What means Vulkan API to crunshing ? (Message 1765945)
Posted 18 Feb 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I'm still using Cat 15.7.1. Which I expect doesn't have Vulkan. My R9 390x is listed as being Vulkan compatible, but I imagine a new driver will be required. Which will probably only be in the first Crimson 16.x for Ati/AMD GPU drivers.
983) Message boards : Number crunching : Wanna save energy on gpu crunshing ? (Message 1765859)
Posted 17 Feb 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
uhh yeah, i am dreaming of a "Fiji Radeon R9 Nano" , if i got the money it hopefully will not cost not more than 300,-€ here.

At this time it´s to expensive, about 500 to 580,-€. I´ll better wait with crunshing.

The payamount is correctly, with a dot...

US$0.31242 Dollars

a "," will be used for a thousands in USA ? Aren´t right ?

But there is MORE , many MORE...

as seller (i wish i could sell my other cards) here in germany have to give more rights to the buyer.

Included is, 12 months warranty (if u realy wana sell it, its positive) , costfree replacement, and of course dont forget the FREE right to send it back, whenever he/she wants (within 90 days) AND drive the old stuff back to the dump for free.

For me, i´ll never sale again.

I would like a R9 Nano to replace the HD6870 in my other machine, but they are still expensive like you mention. The one from Sappire right now is 480 USD or 430 Euro with today's conversion rates.

Yes the US, & I think most countries in North & South America, use , and . in numbers opposite many European countries. 1,000,000.00 vs 1.000.000,00

If you sell to people outside Germany do those same rules apply?
984) Message boards : Number crunching : Wanna save energy on gpu crunshing ? (Message 1765798)
Posted 17 Feb 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
My details about this are limited.

I pay here US$0,31242 Dollars in € per kw/h. *glup*

Including taxes/VAT ...

I would not want to pay that much for my electric costs.

For my average I divide the cost/usage. Over the past 56 months I have paid $6,475.62 & used 35457 KW/h or for 2015 $1,608.55 & 8738 KW/h. For 2016 I am aiming to use < 7500 KW/h or about 15% less electric.
The only good thing about higher energy costs is that is makes buying more efficient devices more logical.
985) Message boards : Number crunching : Macbook pro, intel HD4000 gpu, and seti (Message 1765778)
Posted 17 Feb 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
>That 50ºC "ambient temperature" is very strange

yesterday opened it up and clean with compressed air - there is a bit, not much, dust, but now all is clean. i think "ambient" sensor is inside of case, as so it shows temperature inside case. if there is good energy consumption, and cooler not work on max speed, there always will be much greater temp, than in room.
now in room is about 21 celsius, outside is winter ( sic!) with about -4 celsius.

What are temp when idle?
986) Message boards : Number crunching : My Computer Builds And Other Projects (Message 1765773)
Posted 17 Feb 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I stumbled across this guy on YT, who is building weird but wonderful stuff. Like a CPU heat sink on his GPU, and thereby cooling his GPU under full load at 20 degrees centigrade less, against a way lower sound level.

And then that GPU built into his self made PC case, with the motherboard turned sideways so the ports are at the top of the case, and two huge 140mm fans in the bottom taking care of all the cooling.

Maybe it gives ideas. ;-)

I like their overall concept. My only concerns on that build are the use of a towel due to static issues. Then the heat from the PSU moving up to the CPU.
987) Message boards : Number crunching : Wanna save energy on gpu crunshing ? (Message 1765762)
Posted 17 Feb 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Just to clarify units because a lot of people seem to be confused:

The Watt is an instantaneous measurement of power = a rate of flow.
Energy is measured in joules which are watts per second = how much flowed in time.
1 kWh = 3,600,000 joules.

21 watts per task is meaningless without the time it took, so assuming 1 hour:

21wh or 0.021kWh is 75,600 joules (enough energy to lift 100 kg by 77 meters!)

Thanks for catching that. The last portion was meant to be in watt hours, but I botched that up.

I was thinking about adding a portion after that for cost per task as well.
Using my average cost of $0.1841 per KW/h

CPU = $0.003866 per MB, $0.015464 per AP
GPU = $0.005063 per MB, $0.010126 per AP

A more common way to look it it would be power & cost running 24/7
	day		month		year
CPU = 2.016 KW/h	 61.32 KW/h	 735.84 KW/h
GPU = 6.600 KW/h	200.75 KW/h	2409 KW/h

CPU = $0.371146		$11.29		$135.47
GPU = $1.215060		$36.96		$443.50

Depending on what is desired there are different ways to run a GPU compared to a CPU.

Same power usage. Does not save energy usage compared to CPU. Might save money for people that have peak meter rates.
	Power		Time	 MB	AP
CPU = 2.016 KW/h	24.0hr	 96	24
GPU = 2.016 KW/h	 7.3hr	 73	36

Same MB a day. More energy usage than CPU for the same number of MB a day, but can do double the number of AP.
GPU = 2.640 KW/h	 9.6hr	 96	48

Same AP a day. In this scenario anything less than 7.3hr will save energy usage.
GPU = 1.320 KW/h	 4.8hr	 48	24
988) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows 10 - Yea or Nay? (Message 1765745)
Posted 17 Feb 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Here are some interesting stats.

Top 100 computers at SETI@Home by OS

Windows 7 - 39
Windows 10 - 30
Windows 8.1 - 12
Windows XP - 6
Darwin - 6
Linux - 5
Windows 8 - 1
Win Server 2012 - 1

That is interesting. Pulling from BOINCstats SETI@home hosts OS list I added the host totals by base OS and came up with these figures. I did lump the R2 versions of Server releases in with their previous versions. Which I shouldn't have, but realized I did that afterward.
Microsoft Windows XP 	1828104
Microsoft Windows 7	655305
Linux	 	 	347446
Microsoft Windows Vista	289058
OS X	 	 	264782
Microsoft Windows 2003	79276
Microsoft Windows 8.1	59494
Microsoft Windows 10	58984
Microsoft Windows 8	31947
Microsoft Windows 2008	18012
Android	 	 	9382
BSD	 	 	5187
Microsoft Windows 2012	3287
989) Message boards : Number crunching : Wanna save energy on gpu crunshing ? (Message 1765599)
Posted 17 Feb 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
There are a few factors to take in to account to determine the most efficient device to use for a specific application.

I'd do a quick example using my i5-4670K with a R9 390x. Also I am going to use TDP values for the devices to make things easy.
i5-4670K = 84W
R9 390x = 275W

SETI@home v8
CPU ~1 hr running 4 tasks at a time. Completion of ~4 tasks per hour.
GPU ~6 min running 1 task at a time. Completion of ~10 tasks per hour.
To complete 20 tasks
CPU = 5 hours & 420 Watts consumed.
GPU = 2 hours & 550 Watts consumed.

Astropulse v7
CPU ~4 hr running 4 tasks at a time. Completion of ~4 tasks every 4 hours.
GPU ~12 min running 1 task at a time. Completion of ~5 tasks per hour.
To complete 20 tasks
CPU = 20 hours & 1680 Watts consumed.
GPU = 4 hours & 1100 Watts consumed.

For a 24 hour period
CPU = 2016 Watts, 96 MB tasks or 24 AP tasks
GPU = 6600 Watts, 240 MB tasks or 120 AP tasks
I suppose this could also be expressed in watts per task
CPU = 21w per MB , 84w per AP
GPU = 27.5w per MB , 55w per AP

The GPU will always complete more work at a faster rate, but it is not always the most efficient device for a given task.

Also this doesn't take into account the required power consumed by the CPU to processes tasks. However we also know that the TDP value is generally higher than the actual power consumption by a device. GPUz shows me that my R9 390x has maxed out drawing 213.5w while processing MB & AP tasks. While playing games it has gone over 240w.
990) Message boards : Number crunching : OS on a HDD and RAID 0 with two 6TB HDDs? (Message 1765375)
Posted 16 Feb 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
According to Microsoft.
Each GPT partition can have a maximum of 18 exabytes (~18.8 million terabytes) of space.

Having 12+ GB in RAID0 configuration would make me very nervous. I do not understand how you would trust that configuration and not trust a SSD.
However the Z170 chipset has RAID 0, 1, 5, & 10 support. So if you wanted to configure a RAID10 setup you have the option. Depending on the tools Intel gives us. You might be able to start with RAID0 and move to RAID10 later without losing any data.

When configuring your RAID volume you will also have a block or stripe size to configure. This setting can greatly effect your disk performance. Much like the Allocation unit size when formatting a partition.
991) Message boards : Number crunching : AMD 280x cards on i7 920 (Message 1765367)
Posted 16 Feb 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Good day,
Anyone using the 280x cards. Can anyone tell me if they worth anything?
Thank you

From your current list of machines it looks like you are primary a Nvidia person. So if you don't want to use some R9 280x's I can offer you two turnips for them but no more. :P

Otherwise using them will not really be that much different depending on how deep you want to go with application tuning parameters.

Also if there are any other projects besides SETI@home you were thinking about running that require Dual Precision GPUs the R9 280x is one of the top cards for that. Being spec'd for 870-1024 GFLOPS in DP a project like Milkyway@home might be a good backup project to have.
992) Message boards : Number crunching : AstroPulse v7 v7.09 (opencl_intel_gpu_102) constantly failing on my machine (Message 1765360)
Posted 16 Feb 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hello everyone!

I got a problem concerning workunits from Astropulse.

Please see the following links:

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/result.php?resultid=4724876346

and

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/result.php?resultid=4724876392

Can anybody tell me, why ALL of these wu's fail on my machine?

Thanks and regards,
djoser.

As I recall the exit status you are getting "Exit status: 197 (0xc5) EXIT_TIME_LIMIT_EXCEEDED" occurs when a task runs longer than BOINC thinks it should.
I had the same issue with my J1900 system when I was working at Beta. The initial estimates were much to low instead of really high.. To fix this you have to modify a value. I forget exactly where right now, but I think it is in each task itself until the server gets a correct estimated time for your system.
My J1900 system runs GPU AP tasks 24/7 without any problems.
993) Message boards : Number crunching : Cuda 42 app, dont wana split in two (Message 1765359)
Posted 16 Feb 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
there is no way to get a single work unit to utilize 100% of a GPU's cores - it is all to do with the way that the GPU does its own internal management of memory, cores etc.

I've been pondering this statement since I read it and don't think it's correct.

As far as I know:
- any task will always be divided in equal parts over all available cores inside a GPU or its compute units.
- the GPU Load as seen in an application such as GPU-Z will not be 100% with a single task.

The significance of that statement is different than what you are saying, Rob.

The biggest problem with the GPU Load in GPU-Z is that no one really knows what it means, also because GPU vendors don't explain how it is determined. So one can read it directly off of the GPU, but there is no explanation on what the numbers actually signify.

I figured it was a measurement of used clock cycles like is used for CPU load.

Also just because all the clock cycles are used doesn't mean that a processor is under full load. Much like you can rev an engine to max RPM while not in gear.
I demonstrated this to a friend of mine in the 90's by making an app that just did a simple calculation, like 1+1, indefinitely. Apps would show 100% CPU usage, but the CPU temp would not change much from idle. Where something like setiathome.exe would show a significant increase in CPU temp.
994) Message boards : Number crunching : Wondering, never crunshed an intel pure cpu opencl workunit (Message 1764645)
Posted 13 Feb 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
hey, is it possible ? I got a Core2Duo and it says it were OpenCL capable.

But i never crunshed such a workunit, what´s wrong, or that did i wrong ?

And it were no iGPU unit...

Greetings

ok, i discovered something, on Collatz project they crunsh opencl with SSE4.1 functions, but will a Core2Duo do it ? Think not.

Someone would have to make a SETI@home OpenCL CPU application in order for you to process a task that way.
I would guess Collatz chose to make their CPU apps in OpenCL to simplify writing them or the author is most familiar with that language.
All Intel Core Solo, Duo, 2 Duo, & 2 Quad CPUs are said to support OpenCL. I think Intel stated it along the lines of "All CPUs with SSE 4.1 or higher support OpenCL".
995) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows 10 - Yea or Nay? (Message 1764182)
Posted 11 Feb 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Forbes.com wrote:
For now, full control of Telemetry is being brought only to Windows 10 Enterprise

Well that depends on what addresses and ports they use to call home. One could simple disable that port for outgoing data in their router config.
Back with XP I found some odd ports making outbound connections to IPs that were owned by MS. So I disabled them in my router. It didn't break anything & I never did find out what services was trying to make those connections.
996) Message boards : Number crunching : 30th January 2016 , workunits not recognized (Message 1763930)
Posted 10 Feb 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Seems like that host just has many ghosts. So no wasted compute time for you. The system is designed to handle this situation by letting tasks expire on the deadline. So there isn't really any issue for the project. That solution is sometimes just a little annoying to users.

If the data issue can be sorted out then task resend could be enabled again. Letting ghost tasks be sent to client machines instead of waiting for the deadline to expire. However that requires time, money, & expertise that the project doesn't currently have. So we live with ghost tasks for now.
997) Message boards : Number crunching : 30th January 2016 , workunits not recognized (Message 1763799)
Posted 10 Feb 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
They showing to be send to me, partialy they have been uploaded, but not all.

They are not showing "validation pending".

I must reconstruct this day by my postings here in the forum,
coundn´t say if the system got stuck right now.

If its were only 1 unit, i woudn´t "cry", but they are 77 units in all.

Is it host 7832058?
Do you still see the tasks on your BOINC client?
If the tasks are not on your system are you sure they are not ghosts? You can check job_log_setiathome.berkeley.edu.txt for tasks IDs to verify they were completed on your host.
998) Message boards : Number crunching : 30th January 2016 , workunits not recognized (Message 1763772)
Posted 10 Feb 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Is your issue that they are not displayed as uploaded on your host? If so a quick look at the Server Status shows [As of 10 Feb 2016, 6:10:05 UTC] Replica seconds behind master 10,091. Which means everything displayed is about 3 hours behind.
999) Message boards : Number crunching : BOINC Feature request: Exclusive App -> free additional core for it (Message 1763401)
Posted 8 Feb 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
That are great ideas, how can i forward this request to the BOINC developers?

Previously I posted a question on the BOINC fora under BOINC client section. Regarding an issue with BOINC and virtual box. Ageless was kind enough to communicate the matter to the devs and now we have the <dont_use_vbox>0|1</dont_use_vbox> feature.

I'm not sure what the current method to submit features is now. They do have a contact section on the BOINC site. However they do list those avenues of contact for "issues".
Also given the current funding status of BOINC I'm not sure if or when new features may get added. Rom did some work on ATI GPUs detection for non-CAL GPUs recently, but that hasn't made it into an official build yet.
1000) Message boards : Number crunching : Credit for Android BOINC clients (Message 1763245)
Posted 7 Feb 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have always found BOINCstats to be slow in updating the host information. While Free-DC picks them up faster. I have guessed that BOINCstats chooses not to read the hosts.xml that is generated by the stats every time to make their updates quicker or easier on the server.

For your other account you can compare the hosts list on BOINCstats and Free-DC.
1001) Message boards : Number crunching : BOINC Feature request: Exclusive App -> free additional core for it (Message 1763232)
Posted 7 Feb 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I more and more love this feature and it would really be a cool feature, to have a list of applications in BOINC, for which 1 (one) core is freed while the application is running.

Maybe something like <exclusive_app>. Where an app can be specified & then have a specific "use at most X % of the processors" value applied to it.

So for a 4 core/thread system to reserves 1 core for an app you would specify 75%. Along the lines of:
<cpu_intensive_app>
      <app>filename.exe</app>
      <max_pct_cpus>75</max_pct_cpus>
</cpu_intensive_app>

<cpu_intensive_gpu_app>
      <app>filename.exe</app>
      <max_pct_cpus>75</max_pct_cpus>
</cpu_intensive_gpu_app>


Being able to adjust the current "use at most X % of the processors" BOINC setting via boinccmd would be nice as well.
1002) Message boards : Number crunching : Its breaking my Heart but I may have to bow out of SETI@Home .. (Message 1762954)
Posted 6 Feb 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
If u dont sell the systems complete, sell the mainboard socket 775 seperately. Here in germany (Amazon) there are high valued.

It also depends which chipset they have as well, some are only i845 for pentium 4's. For Quads and above you want i965 and above.

That is true. The specs for the 775 board can matter a lot for some. Personally I've been trying to track down a 775 board with a P45 chipset, DDR3, & dual PCIe slots.
1003) Message boards : Number crunching : BOINC 7.6.23 for Linux Recongnizes OpenCL AMD/ATi GPU via MESA, But No Apps From SETI? (Message 1762952)
Posted 6 Feb 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I wonder if the OpenCL version supported by your driver is to low.
[2] AMD AMD PITCAIRN (DRM 2.43.0, LLVM 3.7.0) (1024MB) OpenCL: 1.1

I'm not sure, but the server might be checking for at least OpenCL 1.2 for ATI GPUs. Like it does for iGPUs.
1004) Message boards : Number crunching : Why won't V44 Recognize my Video card (Message 1762713)
Posted 6 Feb 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I *think* Jim might be expecting the installer to detect the kinds of GPU installed. Please correct me if I am wrong Jim. No you have to select the applications to install with the radio buttons. It is of course entirely technically possible to detect such hardware and automate selections, though it seems shortcut malware/antivirus heuristics don't like such approaches, so please know what hardware you have (and select accordingly) :) Most likely future detection automation will rely on post installation features.


Yer Hit thuh Nale on thuh Haid My Friend. ;)
It's the GTX660sc and it errors all cuda 50 with Lunatics v44.
Which one would you suggest Sir? :b....

It's really odd that the stock CUDA 5.0 app is working on your system. Given it is the same executable in the Lunatics v0.44 installer package.
1005) Message boards : Number crunching : Running a test: An ARM with a cracked screen. (Message 1762595)
Posted 5 Feb 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
And I should see if its charger will keep up if I have it crunch on 3 cores at a time, better yet 4.

A couple months ago, the new one stopped taking a charge


Mime is new enough that I don't have to worry about KEEPING a charge; but I have noticed (and this is on 7615058, which sees more use) that sometimes when plugged in I get a "Power Useage greater than charge(r) level" when running Enigma.

Does that happen if you are charging from a standard PC USB port or when using the supplied charger?
Newer mobile devices can negotiate with USB ports/chargers to be supplied with up to 2A@5v (10W). If no negotiate happens only 500mA@5v (2.5W) may be provided by the port/charger.
There is also a USB specification that allows charging devices to to run 1.5A@12v(18w), 3A@12v(36w), 5A@12v(60w), 3A@20v(60w), 5A@20v(100w). However I believe those specs only apply to USB 3.1 devices with USB C connectors.

The battery monitor app I use on my Galaxy S4 displays Charging (AC) when it has negotiated for more than 500mA. Otherwise is displays Charging (USB).
I found running 4 tasks at a time with only a 500mA port/charger will not keep the battery topped up. I want to say it would take 4-5 hours to get down to 20% where I had BOINC set to stop crunching.
1006) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows Phone 10 Client? (Message 1762364)
Posted 5 Feb 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I'm sure if Microsoft funded a version of BOINC, like HTC did for the Android version, the app would get made pretty quickly.
1007) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows 10 - Yea or Nay? (Message 1762250)
Posted 4 Feb 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Just a dumb question, does all this update avoidance take more time than hitting a close box on a advert once a day, and unchecking a box in optional updates once a week?

It is defiantly a lot more work then just setting updates to never.
1008) Message boards : Number crunching : Anything relating to AstroPulse tasks (Message 1761976)
Posted 3 Feb 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
03 Feb 16 08:22:24 | SETI@home | This computer has reached a limit on tasks in progress

How is this possible when I currently 0 AP and 0 MB for my ATI GPU.

Keifer

Doesn't that message pop up when there is a large amount of VLARs being split?

I've only seen that "limit" message when I've had Errors or Invalids. When there are a lot of VLARs about, my GPU requests get the "no tasks available" message.

Are you referring to the message when errors drive down the Max tasks per day value? I thought that was something along the lines of "Your computer has reached its daily quota of tasks".
1009) Message boards : Number crunching : Anything relating to AstroPulse tasks (Message 1761973)
Posted 3 Feb 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
03 Feb 16 08:22:24 | SETI@home | This computer has reached a limit on tasks in progress

How is this possible when I currently 0 AP and 0 MB for my ATI GPU.

Keifer

Your machine has ~230 tasks in progress. Which tends to happen naturally from ghosts.
1010) Message boards : Number crunching : Video Card Query (Message 1761969)
Posted 3 Feb 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Fierpro v4800 @ 620 GFLOPs
HD7770 @ 1280 GFLOPs
It doesn't seem like an ideal pairing, but we can do per GPU configurations now right?
I think the main question would be if the two drivers will play nice with one another.
1011) Message boards : Number crunching : Its breaking my Heart but I may have to bow out of SETI@Home .. (Message 1761967)
Posted 3 Feb 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Another thing to consider is scrapping out the old machines, via ebay or such, to add funds to the new PC pool. It might only be 5 or 10 for an old CPU, RAM, or MB. However it can add up if you have the time.
1012) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows 10 - Yea or Nay? (Message 1761757)
Posted 3 Feb 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Still haven't worked out how I completely broke windows update on my Win7, main dev host, but it's running awesome :D

Did you disable wuauserv?
1013) Message boards : Number crunching : BOINC Feature request: Exclusive App -> free additional core for it (Message 1761716)
Posted 2 Feb 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thanks again, works like a charm! :)

Only downside:
While the program/script runs, there is an additional command window open.
For now i start this command shell window minimized.

Addition:
I now start the shell script using Quiet:
http://www.joeware.net/freetools/tools/quiet/index.htm
Now the process is completely invisible!

Many thanks again! :D

Addition2:
For using all cores again, i have to apply the real number of cores (4 in my case) for using all cores.
If i specify "-1" as original, there is no change and BOINC continues to use only 3 cores.

Normally I used this when playing a game that needed a bit more free CPU time. So I didn't see the command shell open. Using the tool like you found it one way to make the windows go away. There are probably other ways to do this, but this is the quick and easy way to get the result.

I was working from memory. I guess setting -1 for CPUs only works on startup. Maybe it is a bug that it doesn't work on cc_config reread?
1014) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows 10 - Yea or Nay? (Message 1761666)
Posted 2 Feb 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
http://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft-starts-pushing-windows-10-as-a-recommended-update/

Microsoft is stepping up its Windows 10 push by making the OS a 'recommended' -- though not required -- update for Windows 7 and 8.1 users, beginning February 1.

I think at least one of my machines is perfectly safe from the Windows 10 "update".
1015) Message boards : Number crunching : BOINC Feature request: Exclusive App -> free additional core for it (Message 1761653)
Posted 2 Feb 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Since BOINC doesn't have a boinccmd.exe option to adjust CPU usage on the fly I did this.
-Make copies of cc_config.xml with desired <ncpus>N</ncpus> value
cc_config.1 = <ncpus>1</ncpus>
cc_config.2 = <ncpus>2</ncpus>
cc_config.4 = <ncpus>4</ncpus>
cc_config.all = <ncpus>-1</ncpus>


-Have a script to copy desired cc_config over cc_config.xml & then tell BOINC to update.
copy cc_config.2 cc_config.xml /y
boinccmd --read_cc_config


You could then automate the whole process.
set boincdir=z:\BOINCdata
pushd %boincdir%
copy cc_config.2 cc_config.xml /y
boinccmd --read_cc_config
start /wait notepad.exe
copy cc_config.all cc_config.xml /y
boinccmd --read_cc_config
1016) Message boards : Number crunching : Your kooky computers (Message 1761454)
Posted 2 Feb 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Your post slready contains my answer HAL9000.

I wasn't sure how much of that was true & how much was sarcasm.
But it seems you have removed BOINC for now. Which means you are not longer having the issue.
1017) Message boards : Number crunching : Your kooky computers (Message 1761451)
Posted 2 Feb 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Well Alf, It is Alf, right? I clearly stated what the problem was and what I was seeing. Very clearly. That is what the original post was. Nothing about Lunatics, anyone named Nez, no conspiracy theories, no pretending to be anything, no personal attacks, none of that. We will wsit while you reread it.... ....... ...... .... [*hums completely off tune*]
So, I clearly stated what I saw as the problem and what I wanted. Very clearly. Since then, I got rid of the v7 problem by destroying the v7 work units it kept downloading. Unconventional but effective! And done without conspiracy theories involved! [*wolf whistles*] It did happen to involve my hard drive being destroyed and not downloading BOINC again to the laptop yet, and factory reset destrying everything on my phone, but the damned v7 units are gone. 8)

Are you still having the problem of v7 tasks being downloaded? Did you manage to abort the v7 tasks your machine did download?
1018) Message boards : Number crunching : Anything relating to AstroPulse tasks (Message 1761348)
Posted 1 Feb 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hi folks! I just tripped over AP WU 2027678046, which I was assigned to crunch. Those two identical intel GPUs trashed the WU for exactly the same reason and they also failed with several other WUs. Maybe developers should take a look.

Intel has a habit of releasing new drivers that do not work well for some BOINC projects. There are several older iGPU drives that are known to have issues with SETI@home & Einstein. So a driver issue could be one possible reason.

Both of those hosts are using HD 4600 iGPUs on Windows 10. One is an i5-4690K with driver 10.18.15.4256 the other is an i5-4570 with driver 20.19.15.4331. They both had an issue at the same spot for that WU. ### Restart at 44.14 percent.

You might want to save a copy of the wu file for the devs. They may want to have a look at why the app choked on that file.
1019) Message boards : Number crunching : Lunatics Windows Installer v0.44 - new release for v8 (required upgrade) (Message 1761069)
Posted 31 Jan 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
There is a Subscribe button near the top of the page. Click that in the Optimised apps thread and you should get email notifications every time there's a new post.

Specifically the thread: Optimised Applications and Other Binaries if any has trouble finding it.
1020) Message boards : Number crunching : Possibly preferences being ignored? (Message 1760914)
Posted 30 Jan 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have had a bit of a (slightly one sided) talk with David about this.

His answer to me is true, but a bit besides the point I was making. Haven't heard back yet on my latest proposal. ;-)
When a scheduler request asks for zero seconds of CPU, there are many possible reasons.
Project prefs are one.
Or the CPU queue might be full.
The scheduler request doesn't say what the cause is.
Not worth changing this.

It does seem to be a rare enough occurrence that digging into why it sometimes happens wouldn't be a good use of time.
1021) Message boards : Number crunching : Your kooky computers (Message 1760911)
Posted 30 Jan 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
If a seti program crashes it can reveal your username by listing your user path in error report. I have seen that happen.

Most people who register here do so with the name they're using on their computer, as by default that's what the web site will look for and use. Only those that go into their account and edit other account info know they can change their forum and Account name.

Also, a lot of the error paths are from the system that compiled the science application, so in that case the path can give the application developer's name.
Or indeed if the user compiled the app themselves, their name.

It is true that BOINC writes certain log files to C:\Users\Windows account username\AppData\Roaming\BOINC\, but as far as I know that path is never shown in app crashes. BOINC crashes are registered in the stderrdae.txt log file that's written into the BOINC data directory, which on Windows XP and 2000 is written to C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\BOINC, and in Windows Vista through 10 to C:\Programdata\BOINC\, thus not giving a path with a username in it either.

Not saying it's not true, mind.

I have seen my windows username appear in a Stderr output from a crash dump before. Not that I really mind. Anyone can call call me what whatever they like. I imagine there are some that would prefer that not to happen.
1022) Message boards : Number crunching : Fastest available HDD (2016/Jan)? (Message 1760898)
Posted 30 Jan 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The helium drives are meant for sequential reads/writes. They have pretty good performance for doing backups, but fall flat on their face when you do small, random seeks on them.

If you want a fast mechanical platter drive, you'll want 10k or 15k RPM, but the down-side is that the cost/gb is not that great.

I know the WD Black 4TB drives do about 175MB/sec read and about 150MB/sec write, thanks to the high data density. Those are pretty good speeds for 7200rpm.

I've been wanting to get something bigger/newer than the five 1TB Blacks I have in my external enclosure, but the reviews across all brands for anything over 2TB do not fill me with much confidence. Apparently, Quality Control is no longer a priority like it used to be. That being said.. I would recommend doing a complete system image once you get Windows installed and get all the updates and drivers you're interested in. Make the image, store it somewhere (another HDD, a flash drive that is big enough (probably 32gb), etc) so that IF the drive dies unexpectedly, when you RMA it and get the replacement, you can just reload that backup. And I would make frequent backups of the personal data that you don't want to lose.

That's the problem that I find with large-capacity drives is that when they die.. you lose so much data (unless you have backups). That's kind of why I like having 5 1TB drives, because if one dies, I only lose at most, 20% of my data, assuming none of it is backed-up (which most of it actually is).


I like the idea of SSDs, and they are getting cheaper and more capacity, but I honestly don't find a huge difference with them. Sure, system boot time is pretty quick, but once you're at the desktop.. I honestly don't notice much of a difference between SSD and the old 80gb WD Caviar that only did 35MB/sec. I guess it would be more significant if I booted-up and shut down frequently, but I generally go 15-40 days between restarts. So.. yeah, SSDs are nice, but cost/gb still isn't close to what mechanical drives have to offer. Not yet, at least. Give it another year or two and we'll start seeing 3 and 4TB SSDs for $300-400.

As far as I know WD is the only manufacture to ever make SATA drives over 7200 RPM. Which is my I mentioned SAS drives for 10K & 15K previously. Something like the a Seagate ST1200MM0158 (1.2TB 10000 RPM 128MB Cache SAS 12Gb/s) might suit their boot disk needs.

I would hazard a guess that this might be for their new gaming machine being built. For games that load a lot of data while playing you really want the fastest drive access you can get. Otherwise you may have to deal with frustratingly long load times from maps or waiting for menus to open.

Like you mentioned. Losing large amounts of data when a disk dies is one of the problems with a single large disk. So for any of my personal storage over 1 TB it goes into a RAID1 or RAID5. Then I backup my OS with a disk image to my RAID storage. For my needs, & budget, I'm OK with using the "fake RAID" from the chipset controller. My current gaming machine uses an inexpensive sandisk 480GB SSD & a RAID5 array using 3TB WD Red drives for my backup/archiving/media storage.
1023) Message boards : Number crunching : i7 v Core 2 curiosity. (Message 1760853)
Posted 30 Jan 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
If you look at the Stderr output you will both of these tasks resulted in
SETI@Home Informational message -9 result_overflow
NOTE: The number of results detected equals the storage space allocated.

Which are not really good results to compare. If you compare non overflow tasks you will find they average closer to 15,000 seconds for a task while you are averaging closer to 20,000 seconds.

Looking at the actual Run time instead of just the CPU time there is much less difference.
Run time	CPU time
74.44		70.89
69.44		57.20


Another thing to note is since they are using their iGPU to process SETI@home work their CPU times are roughly double what they would be if using their CPU alone.
1024) Message boards : Number crunching : Maybe somethings wrong with my big fat Radeon HD 6950 ? No gpu tasks for ati/amd (Message 1760840)
Posted 30 Jan 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Everthings i tried in Lubuntu turns into a failure.

NO, NEVER 1 task for this gpu will, or were be loaded.

Sa 30 Jan 2016 19:24:54 CET | SETI@home | Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks

Is that host actually requesting GPU work?
Something like "SETI@home Requesting new tasks for CPU & ATI GPU"
1025) Message boards : Number crunching : Badges? We doan need no steenkin badges! (Message 1760374)
Posted 29 Jan 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
On our "account" page, top right corner, there is a place for "badges".

I've only seen one badge, which is the "one percent" badge, which I have.

Are there others?

Wasn't able to find any more on this website.

Yes. There are 1%, 5%, and 25% badges.
1026) Message boards : Number crunching : Fastest available HDD (2016/Jan)? (Message 1760371)
Posted 29 Jan 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
If you want the same performance as a WD Raptor in a HDD the you will need to look at SAS drives instead of SATA. SAS drives have several spindle speed options but you would probably only be interested in 10K & 15K RPM models.
Depending on the number of SAS ports you need. You can get a SAS controller that only uses a PCIe x4 slot.

Personally I went from raptor drives to SSD. You could use 2 SSD in RAID1 if you didn't trust them. A slow SSD is still faster than the best HDD.
1027) Message boards : Number crunching : Possibly preferences being ignored? (Message 1760225)
Posted 29 Jan 2016 by Profile HAL9000
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HAL, I partly hear what you are saying. One thing I can't understand is why do I receive CPU work for MB work units when I don't have any CPU option selected for that particular profile. If you remove part of your app_info file that would mean that you couldn't use that particular application at all wouldn't it? I certainly don't want to do that

One guess I have is that somewhere in the work fetch process the server gets confused and just sends whatever it can to fulfill a request for work. Maybe it is an issue reading the users preferences from the db during the work fetch request? I haven't seen this behavior with other projects, but not many of them get their servers beaten as hard as SETI@home.

From your first post it seems like you want to run:
AP: GPU & CPU
MB: GPU
If that is correct I would only need to have those 3 apps installed.

If you like to switch CPU MB off & on then it makes sense to leave the MB CPU installed. However sometimes the server will sneak you work for other apps despite your venue settings.
1028) Message boards : Number crunching : Anything relating to AstroPulse tasks (Message 1760177)
Posted 29 Jan 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have a theory that since we don't have a linux mb cuda v8 gpu app yet, that's where most of the aps are going to

Blaming Linux is as good a reason as any but without data to back it up I would demote it to a hypothesis.

The 3 linux boxes on the first page of the top hosts list have very few AP. All of the windows boxes seem to have about double the number each linux box does.
1029) Message boards : Number crunching : Lunatics Windows Installer v0.44 - new release for v8 (required upgrade) (Message 1760174)
Posted 29 Jan 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I was just investigating my last failed unit on the same system...650ti...and it said that it had 8 spikes and 7 triplets, but bad computation. One of the completed okay units done by someone else said 8 spikes and 7 triplets but it finished fine. How does this work? If we both found the same thing, why is one bad and one okay? Just trying to learn.

Allen

When you see in the stderr_txt is not the actual result data that is being compared by the server. It is just kind of a summary.
The spikes could have been found in different places or their power levels could be to different to be a match.
1030) Message boards : Number crunching : Delayed validation (Message 1760171)
Posted 29 Jan 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
My account shows four SETI V.7 WUs awaiting validation that are more than a month old. Two were sent Jan. 1, one is from Dec. 28 and one is from Dec. 19 -- 6 weeks old, although the deadlines are still two weeks away.

These last two are with the same wingman.

My question is this: Is it advisable, ethical, recommended or just uncool to send my wingmen a message to get on with it already, finish the those WUs so my four validation pending WUs can be cleared?

Am I being too picky or demanding here? Should I just keep my mouth shut (at the risk that they will be invalidated because they won't get sent before the deadline)?

Just askin...

Stevie G.

A task is only marked as Invalid if the result data does not match the other tasks created for the workunit.

I had some tasks I completed in September validated last week. Because it took a few resends & timeouts to get someone to send in another good result. Which is perfectly acceptable for the project. If the project needed data back more quickly there would be shorter deadlines or other processes in place to ensure results get returned more quickly.

Am I being too picky or demanding here?

Basically yes. You are free to raise any concerns you feel you need to. This is just something many users whine about & hasn't changed over the past... when was BOINC launched?... 14ish years?
1031) Message boards : Number crunching : Possibly preferences being ignored? (Message 1760166)
Posted 29 Jan 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Just to double check: you are picking "HOME" before this happens, and it is set to "AP" only, "Other Work" unchecked?

EDIT: Or are you switching to default, which looks like you have it stated/set to do Any Work (all boxes checked).

Yes this happens after a switch to default from home with allow work in Boinc manager selected.

Yes you are correct I have all the projects selected but I do not have the CPU option ticked on the my default profile.I only have use CPU ticked on my home profile and I only have AP work selected.

On both the default profile and home profile I have the following: If no work for selected applications is available, accept work from other applications? set to no

I'm pretty sure what you are seeing is the same reason I get: SETI@home Message from server: Your app_info.xml file doesn't have a usable version of SETI@home v8.
On my hosts that have their venue settings configured as:


Which for me is nothing new. I've been seeing this behavior for years.
Which is why I don't truest the venue settings 100% and modify my app_info.xml to make sure I'm only running the apps I want.
1032) Message boards : Number crunching : Unsupported computer (Message 1760025)
Posted 28 Jan 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The information on https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/sah_porting.php looks out of date. So you might need to get the source from lunatics if you are going to roll your own.

Since quite a while back, Lunatics sources are hosted at Berkeley too:
https://setisvn.ssl.berkeley.edu/trac/browser/branches/sah_v7_opt
or do an SVN checkout as described on the porting page.

I didn't see anything for v8. That's why it looked out of date to me.
1033) Message boards : Number crunching : Lunatics Windows Installer v0.44 - new release for v8 (required upgrade) (Message 1760021)
Posted 28 Jan 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have been running the Lunatics Intel GPU app here and the stock Intel GPU app on Beta, on an HD 4600, using the most recent driver (version 10.18.14.4264, dated 4 August 2015), without encountering any problems at all.

Thanks John, good to know that version works as well - at least for SETI.

If it's working, I'd leave well alone: but technically speaking, it isn't the "most recent". Looking on the Intel web site, I found

Version: 15.36.28.4332 (Latest) Date: 12/11/2015

Unpacking the zip, the internal documentation describes it as

Release Version: Production Version

Intel(R) Graphics Driver: 10.18.14.4332
Intel(R) Display Audio Driver: 6.16.0.3174

Package: 514951

Operating System(s):   

Microsoft Windows* 7 64-bit
Microsoft Windows* 8.1 64-bit

Release Date: November 30, 2015

(separate 32-bit versions, and versions for Windows 10, are also available. The discrepancy between download version numbers/dates and driver version numbers/dates continues to irritate me.)

This is not a recommendation to upgrade: more a reminder to myself that perhaps I ought to test it, both here and at Einstein, before the next installer release.

Their versioning does leave something to be desired. From my rough observations this is what I'm finding.
15.33.xx.xxxx (driver 10.18.10.xxxx) 7th generation iGPU. Ivy Bridge, Haswell, BayTrail.
15.36.xx.xxxx (driver 10.18.10.39xx & driver 10.18.14.4xxx) 7/8th generation iGPU. Haswell & Broadwell.
15.40.xx.xxxx (driver 20.19.15.xxxx) 9th generation iGPU. Skylake.
1034) Message boards : Number crunching : Unsupported computer (Message 1760006)
Posted 28 Jan 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Looking at the BOINC projects list it looks like only a few have native support for FreeBSD.

I don't know how large the bsd user base for SETI@home is, but there might be someone that complies the apps for that platform. If not could can compile the apps for your system.

EDIT: The information on https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/sah_porting.php looks out of date. So you might need to get the source from lunatics if you are going to roll your own.
1035) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (102) Server Problems? (Message 1759794)
Posted 27 Jan 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The replica is now only 10 1/2 hrs behind, it's catching up.

At its current rate it should be caught up in about 4 hours.
1036) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (102) Server Problems? (Message 1759779)
Posted 27 Jan 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Now the Replica database is back online does that mean we might get some results exported !

The stats dump is a separate process. Which they often disable when there are db issues. It may get enabled once the replica catches up. Provided someone remembers to go in and enable it.
1037) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (102) Server Problems? (Message 1759553)
Posted 27 Jan 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
another ++;

Our RAC falls like a rock without the replica and when it reaches zero, we all can't post here anymore...

I'd think that would take quite some time to occur, like months if I understand the calculus.
For whatever reason even with the replica down something still goes on, as I'm seeing increases in my RAC today.

Considering credit generation has nothing to do with the replica server it would indeed take a very long time.
1038) Message boards : Number crunching : New rig project (Message 1759529)
Posted 27 Jan 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Well, I'm getting ready to make the leap into building a new 24/7 rig by planning out all the hardware. Zalster has been and continues to be extremely helpful in this process due to my limited build experience; in fact, Zalster has given me a ton of knowledge on newer hardware that I had little of before.

That being said, I'd like to share my Working New Rig hardware list to get some more feedback from you guys too.

Please check it out and let me know what you guys think so far.

(Note: in the list you will notice I have an M.2 2280 120GB SATA SSD that I'd like to use *only* for Windows / booting. I'm toying with this idea.) Overkill? ...Thoughts on utilizing M.2?

Thanks for your help, folks.

- Akio

If the machine is going to be a dedicated cruncher the SSD is overkill considering you are also including two 1TB drives. I'm guessing they will be RAID1?
If you planning to use RAID1 then you could configure a 100GB volume in the RAID for the OS. Then have the remainder of the 1TB for storage.
For a dedicated cruncher either 2 SSDs or two HDDs in RAID1 seems like an ideal configuration. That way a drive can die & you don't have to start all over.

In my HTPC I use a 120GB SSD for a boot drive. I have ~100GB partitioned for the OS & apps. Then the remaining 10GB I have partitioned as a temp drive. Which is also where I put my BOINC data. That machine also has 3 2.5" 1TB drives in RAID5 for my media storage. However I have chosen not to have my BOINC data there so that the drives will run in their low power state more often. To save a few watt hours.

Otherwise depending on what else you are planning to do with the machine it should be more than ample for SETI@home use.
1039) Message boards : Number crunching : Split my DP AMD card in two SP gpus (Message 1759508)
Posted 27 Jan 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I think a quick explanation might be the same reason why you can't run two 32-bit apps on a 64-bit CPU to "fully use" the 64-bit processor.
1040) Message boards : Number crunching : Lunatics Windows Installer v0.44 - new release for v8 (required upgrade) (Message 1759169)
Posted 25 Jan 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Actually.....we're all late to the party. Here's the same window from v0.43b.

[img ]http://i65.tinypic.com/ayk6tg.jpg[/img]

I guess none of us really pay attention to details when we're in a hurry to install the latest and greatest! ;^)

Well you are not only late to the party, but you also missed the main error in the 0.44 installer.
You guys might want to give Richard's reply to BilBg's post a read.
1041) Message boards : Number crunching : Anything relating to AstroPulse tasks (Message 1759079)
Posted 24 Jan 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I thought most people used Windoze because every good game ever is directx. I know that's the only reason I'm still using Windows.


Other than that.. I'm still not fairing well on replenishing my cache. It also doesn't help that I have to keep babysitting BOINC because after about 3 or 4 "no work available" replies, BOINC goes into what I call a "phantom backoff" where it doesn't SAY it is in a backoff... but it really is. It will wait 5m 3s for 2-3 contacts, and then next thing I know, it's been 45m since it last tried, and "status" is blank and there's no indication anywhere that it is in some arbitrary exponential backoff.



If you were using Linux you could cobble together a short bash script that runs every minute using cron and checks stdoutdae.txt for the last time "Project requested delay of 303 seconds" occurred. If it is more then 245 seconds, then sleep the appropriate amount of time to make 305 seconds and then force an update. Linux is good for something :).

You could do the same thing in windows with a powershell script & task schedule. Even easier would be to schedule a task to run about every 310 seconds telling BOINC to update.
When I was running 30+ machines I would use one system to tell all of my hosts to update every 6 hours. That way I could look at my project computers list to see if any were out of communication & issue a reboot.
1042) Message boards : Number crunching : At least which internet speed for online gaming? (Message 1758685)
Posted 23 Jan 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I tend to just go for the fastest speed I can afford. You can never have too much bandwidth. If they offered faster speeds here, I'd take them. I've been stuck on 6mbps downstream for years (since they first started offering DSL in my area). Until they run fiber, or until congress lifts the restriction they placed on cellular carriers, I'll probably be stuck with 6mbps. When the landline (DSL/Cable) companies realized that the cellular and satellite companies could offer higher bandwidth than them, they lobbied congress to FORCE cellular and satellite companies to charge a certain amount per gigabyte downloaded. In the case of cellular, it's $10/gb (although they can give a certain amount of gb per month, but it's very limited). So if you're wondering where the arbitrary $10/gb number comes from, it's your government forcing the market to be less efficient. If it weren't for that, we'd all likely have 20mbps or faster EVERYWHERE we go within LTE range (which is just about everywhere that people live these days). It really irks me when government meddles in the affairs of the market, the consumer rarely comes out ahead and the cellular issue is a prime example of this.

I've not sure where you are getting this $10/gb nonsense. You might want to look for a a carrier that offers unlimited data.
My carrier offers "unlimited" data for all of their data plans. You only select the amount of high speed data you want to pay for. For phones they offer a full unlimited plan for $95/mo. However they indicated that they will de-prioritized users that use more than 28GB/mo. Much like ISPs are starting to do to home internet users.
I haven't replaced my home internet with a mobile plan as there is only 1 tower near me. So I only get about 15Mb/768Kb on my phone
1043) Message boards : Number crunching : At least which internet speed for online gaming? (Message 1758677)
Posted 23 Jan 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
In the World of Tanks requirements they specify 256Kb/s for gaming & 1024Kb/s for voice chat. The amount of data sent for online gaming is typically small by design. That way they can market their game to a large audience.

As someone mentioned your location/connection to the game server is the most important. You might want to view their server list. Many games I've played select the best server while connecting instead of letting the user pick. So knowing if you have a local server can be important.
1044) Message boards : Number crunching : Your kooky computers (Message 1757974)
Posted 22 Jan 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
It is set to "no", in two places as a matter of fact, to accept other work. I know I set that later, not sure when because I hadn't noticed it before, but I know it was before the last v7 unit downloaded two days ago. How do I get rid of the ten of them now? If you know.

Highlight the tasks and hit the Abort button in BOINC.
1045) Message boards : Number crunching : "Intel Skylake bug seizes up PCs running complex workloads." Any expirience with S@H? (Message 1757971)
Posted 22 Jan 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
How will Intel fix this CPU bug?
In the BIOS is then an option to disable AVX?

No, the BIOS loads new Microcode in the CPU at boot time (this new Microcode will change how the CPU do AVX instructions internally, probably no speed change but only "correctness" of AVX instructions)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microcode

probably no speed change ?

You mean a SAH or AP app which use AVX could be then slower than a SSE3 or SSSE3 app - because of the AVX bug fix?

Maybe I'll go with an i7-4790K instead of an i7-6700K (?) - short time and I'll order the parts of/for my new build.

The i7-4790K hava a TSX bug - maybe one day we'll have a SAH or AP TSX app?

Oh, maybe I'll go better with an unbugged AMD CPU? ;-)

I think it is still unknown if the AVX issue even effects computers running SETI@home AVX apps. So far the only i7-6700K hosts I have found in the top 500 computers list have only ever used stock apps. So they would never see the AVX issue from SETI@home apps.
probably no speed change = No one is expecting there is be any speed change in how AVX instructions are processed after the fix. However until the fix is published we will now know 100%.

The TSX feature has been removed from Haswell, & Broadwell, CPUs made since 2014-08. Also microcode updates remove TSX from systems that have a CPU with the issue.

Also some AMD CPUa have an error with 256 bit AVX instructions, but AMD has never publicly admitted to there being a problem.
1046) Message boards : Number crunching : Seti@home v8 (Message 1757938)
Posted 21 Jan 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
In any case would it be interesting, how many v8 results are actually returned.

I'm probably averaging over a thousand a day, as part of my testing for the new installer.

Maybe the count for v7 should be turned off completely, to get proper figures for v8.

That will happen soon enough, when the transition in complete.

Edit - the forum software doesn't let me link a live total across all machines, but my current v8 stats are:

All (2456) · In progress (244) · Validation pending (1065) · Validation inconclusive (10) · Valid (1137) · Invalid (0) · Error (0)

1000 a day with just your few machines would be about 40 results/hr you just you. So the 2000 results/hr displayed does seems rather accurate to me.
1047) Message boards : Number crunching : FYI - First Open Source GPU Goes Into Testing (Message 1757908)
Posted 21 Jan 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I hope this isn't in the wrong forum..........

First of its kind open source GPU being tested at Binghamton University.

http://www.scientificcomputing.com/news/2016/01/open-source-gpu-could-push-computing-power-next-level

Made your link clickable & removed the extra stuffs off of the end.

It will be interesting to see what kind of performance they can get out of the design and how it scales.
1048) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (101) Server Problems? (Message 1757702)
Posted 20 Jan 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
. . . I've tested x41 zf, zg, zh and zi . . .

If I may, to what do these refer?

They are different iterations of the CUDA x41 branch app.

For example the MB v7 CUDA 2.3 app Lunatics_x41zc_win32_cuda23.exe
1049) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (101) Server Problems? (Message 1757525)
Posted 20 Jan 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
As you can imagine, I've had a number of PMs while waiting for the right moment to release GPU apps. One guy got my best attempt at a reply on Sunday:

We're nearly there, but a lot of cats have had to be herded into place first.

First, be aware that the initial release deadline - for some apps, any apps - to be released by 31st December was set somewhere above Eric's head. We don't know who by, but we suspect something to do with the Breakthrough initiative.

Unlike the rest of us, http://www.breakthroughinitiatives.org/ seem to have been enjoying an extended Christmas and New Year holiday.

Eric has the tools to compile applications for CPUs (only). His applications are definitive. Optimised CPU applications, and GPU applications, can only be developed and tested once the specifications are finalised and a reference build is available for comparison. That reference build - incorporating refinements for errors encountered during testing - is the v8.04 Beta build, deployed on 28 December at Beta, and as v8.00 on 30 December here. That's minimal testing.

Eric doesn't have the tools, skills, or time to develop GPU versions - and nor does anybody else at Berkeley. It is, after some initial input from NVidia corp, entirely a volunteer effort. I know the NVidia range best, and I've tested x41 zf, zg, zh and zi since the New Year - I think we're finally ready to go. Likewise the other hardware variants.

I've spent four hours so far today working through and updating the various Read Me files. After I've broken off for a late lunch (allowing other collaborators to proof-read my work), I'll be building a release candidate installer and starting to test it. Only then will I email Eric, tell him what we've got, ask him some final questions (like what version numbers and plan classes will be used for the Main project release of the contributed applications, so I can be sure I matched - guessed - them correctly). And ask for his permission to go ahead.

And when he does his final release to Main, I should be in a position to follow within hours. He usually releases just as I'm going to bed in my time zone: I release the following morning, so I can be around to field queries and problems.

And now you know as much as I do.

And now we all know.

However I expect the "When? When? When?" questions will continue & they will probably only last for a few weeks after the official release.
1050) Message boards : Number crunching : v7 WUs "Validation pending" (Message 1757509)
Posted 19 Jan 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I hope you're correct. As I said, this program has never been able to keep my GPUs busy, so I've always run CPU tasks to keep my multiple, multi-core CPU systems busy, and the stuff that has been showing as pending is now getting quite old, and represents hundreds of CPU hours. I would be highly disappointed to find out that work was all for not.

I've estimated the total run time for the 17-odd SETI@home v7 tasks on your three machines that are either pending or inconclusive, and it comes to about 12 hours of computing time.

They will eventually be validated, but it could take many weeks, months even, for the last few to be processed and cleared. (SETI@home v6 took from 24 July to 7 December 2013 to decrease from 16,903 to 0 outstanding results. The last 1,000 results took from 31 August 2013 to clear.)

They seem to be complaining only about their pending v7 CPU tasks. The run time for their 5 pending CPU tasks do add up.... to exactly 39173.94 seconds or about 10.88 hours.
1051) Message boards : Number crunching : New app? (Message 1756898)
Posted 16 Jan 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hi has anyone any idea when the GPU for V8 will be out

When it's ready.
1052) Message boards : Number crunching : v7 WUs "Validation pending" (Message 1756609)
Posted 15 Jan 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thanks gents. I should have viewed the Server Status page.
I did find something odd though. On one of the Validation Pending WUs on my account, this one https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/workunit.php?wuid=1994343051 is listed as "In progress" on this host https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/show_host_detail.php?hostid=7575901. The odd part is that out of the 241 WUs listed as "In progress", virtually all of them were sent on 12/08/15. Is this the result of the host deselecting the running of v7?

It is more likely that since the v8 app is new the estimated run times would be very high. Which will cause BOINC to process them first. As it thinks there isn't enough time to get them done before their deadline. Once that host has a good estimated completion time or finishes all of its v8 tasks it should get back to running FIFO and push out all of the v7 tasks.
1053) Message boards : Number crunching : Class Stats (Message 1756605)
Posted 15 Jan 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The first place I would look would be https://boincstats.com/en/forum/. I see that all of my projects list "Sign-up date n/a". So they might have updated something on their end.
1054) Message boards : Number crunching : Long running AP (Message 1756460)
Posted 15 Jan 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
It has been running 2d 1h and is now 90% done. The 2 questions are why so long and will it validate?

If you result matches the one already returned then it should.

I know the apps with no SSE/AVX optimizations are the slowest, but 2+ days does seem like a long time. My old [ur=http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/show_host_detail.php?hostid=6273502]Pentium M[/url] would finish an AP in ~18 hours. Granted it was using at least using the SSE version.
When running stock the server will send one of three different apps for AP until it determines which is fastest.
AstroPulse v7 v7.00
AstroPulse v7 v7.03 (SSE)
AstroPulse v7 v7.03 (SSE2)


Are you also crunching using the iGPU on that system?

Not using the iGPU, I tried it and it created too many invalid APs with Lunatics and since I stopped using it my CPU performance went up, credit wise it was pretty much a wash and I'm respecting the servers a bit by not creating invalid results. Since the CPU has AVX it should be running the fastest SSE, I think.

The important part of my previous message was the list of stock applications. We can ignore the iGPU portion of it from now on. You answer that previously as well.
If you look at the AP tasks on your host


You can see all of them are AstroPulse v7 v7.00. Which is the application with NO SSE optimizations. Which is the slowest application available. I would have to double check but I don't think that version is included in the lunatics installer.
So far the server has not yet sent you the SSE or SSE2 stock application. When running stock apps it can take quite some time for the server to pick the best app. In the same way it take the server some time to figure out which CUDA application is the best for a host. Which there are currently 5 different versions. It takes a minimum of 10 or 11 completed tasks for each application before the server decides which app is the best on a host. You can see the completed count for each application in your host application details. Also not every valid task counts as "Number of tasks completed".

One benefit of running Anonymous platform is that it lets you pick which app you think runs best on your system. Instead of having to wait for the server to decide.
1055) Message boards : Number crunching : Long running AP (Message 1756429)
Posted 14 Jan 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I thought the stock AP app was the same as the Lunatics app which did an AP on average of 6 1/2 hrs.

Which of the three stock AP CPU apps, for Windows, are you referring to?

I don't know how to answer that question, please offer me some choices.

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=78794&postid=1756052#1756052
1056) Message boards : Number crunching : Long running AP (Message 1756415)
Posted 14 Jan 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I thought the stock AP app was the same as the Lunatics app which did an AP on average of 6 1/2 hrs.

Which of the three stock AP CPU apps, for Windows, are you referring to?
1057) Message boards : Number crunching : New app? (Message 1756379)
Posted 14 Jan 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Picking up on something that appeared not too long ago.
The comment was along the lines that it is hard to know who has "any authority" within the project.
Now some of know that the likes of Jason, Mike, Raistmer & Richard have a level of skill and project knowledge that puts them far above that of the rest of us, and yet their "tag lines" just credit them with the same title as Chris & myself "volunteer tester" and or "volunteer developer", so why not give this small, select and skilled group a "more authoritative" title? Something along the lines "lead tester" or "lead developer" might be more appropriate?

It is easy to know who has authority at a project. They will have titles such as:
Project administrator
Project developer
Project scientist

Lunatics members have been vital to app development. It is my understanding that we wouldn't have the past few versions of apps without them. What they say should be followed but there is almost no way for enforcement. Other than suggesting computers/users that are blatantly abusing the openness of the project. Another option would be moving Beta development to closed testing. Much like how Alpha testing is conducted. However I expect that would greatly slow down the development.

The only real way to prevent users from running apps that should not yet be used would be to disable the use of anonymous platform. There are some projects that do not allow anonymous platform & I would guess to prevent such issues.
1058) Message boards : Number crunching : v7 WUs "Validation pending" (Message 1756370)
Posted 14 Jan 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
On my account, there are 41 WUs listed as "Validation pending", and all are v7. Would it be correct to surmise that this group will never be validated and time out b/c v7 is in the history books? Or, will they timeout and be resent for validation?

While not new SETI@home v7 MB tasks may be created the ones currently out will still follow the process to be completed.
Currently for v7 MB we are looking at:
Results out in the field 959,603
Results returned and awaiting validation 1,086,421
1059) Message boards : Number crunching : Long running AP (Message 1756349)
Posted 14 Jan 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
It validated and I got 2 more, it will be interesting to see how long they take to process.

Well they are both the base non SSE app. So I would expect similar times depending on the blanking.
1060) Message boards : Number crunching : Long running AP (Message 1756108)
Posted 13 Jan 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
LOL,
Completed, validation inconclusive

Well Inconclusive is not Invalid. Depending on the third result it might still become Valid.
It looks for your wingmate that WU was their first AP NV GPU result. Then the third task was also send to a NV GPU.

Don't all invalids start off as inconclusive?

Yes. However, Not all inconclusive become invalid.
When I was running full tilt I would have about 10% of my pending number of results in an inconclusive state at any given time. With an invalid normally only when I got outvoted by two GPU results that trashed their task. I did have 1 machine out of ~30 that would spit out a legit invalid every few months.

With the third result there are 3 outcomes if a match comes up.
Wingmate #1 - Invalid
You	    - Valid
Wingmate #2 - Valid

Wingmate #1 - Valid
You	    - Invalid
Wingmate #2 - Valid

Wingmate #1 - Valid
You	    - Valid
Wingmate #2 - Valid

If the third result doesn't match the first two at all. Then a fourth task will be created and sent out.
1061) Message boards : Number crunching : Long running AP (Message 1756091)
Posted 13 Jan 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
LOL,
Completed, validation inconclusive

Well Inconclusive is not Invalid. Depending on the third result it might still become Valid.
It looks for your wingmate that WU was their first AP NV GPU result. Then the third task was also send to a NV GPU.
1062) Message boards : Number crunching : Long running AP (Message 1756052)
Posted 13 Jan 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
It has been running 2d 1h and is now 90% done. The 2 questions are why so long and will it validate?

If you result matches the one already returned then it should.

I know the apps with no SSE/AVX optimizations are the slowest, but 2+ days does seem like a long time. My old [ur=http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/show_host_detail.php?hostid=6273502]Pentium M[/url] would finish an AP in ~18 hours. Granted it was using at least using the SSE version.
When running stock the server will send one of three different apps for AP until it determines which is fastest.
AstroPulse v7 v7.00
AstroPulse v7 v7.03 (SSE)
AstroPulse v7 v7.03 (SSE2)

Are you also crunching using the iGPU on that system?
1063) Message boards : Number crunching : How much does SETI@home affect your computer performance long-term? (Message 1755968)
Posted 13 Jan 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I would consider 80C on a laptop a bit warm, but probably within specs.


I would think so too, and I'm trying to play it safe here. So maybe an avg. temp of 70C would be much more ideal?

TThrottle does let me limit the CPU temperature. However, I've also observed that setting a threshold on the max CPU temp causes temperatures to fluctuate wildly, sometimes up to 10 degrees. For example, if I set a threshold of 65 C on my laptop then the CPU temp will go from 55 to 65 and back to 55 all within 1 minute. My assumption is that this can damage the processor by causing it to constantly expand and shrink.

To help cool your laptop try putting it 1/2 " up in the air.


Yep, I do this already! My laptop sits on 2 wood blocks which let air flow underneath.

While 80ºC is well below the designed limit of 105ºC it can't hurt to run cooler.
My personal preference would be to run fewer CPU tasks as once to get a lower temp. Rather than toggle it off/on.
My old i3-390 notebook can either run 4 CPU tasks or 1 GPU task at once. The cooling system can't handle anything more. Plus the fan will stay at a low enough speed I don't notice it. Watching HD video on it will load the GPU & CPU enough that it will run hotter than when running SETI@home & bump the fan up to an annoyingly audible level.
1064) Message boards : Number crunching : "Intel Skylake bug seizes up PCs running complex workloads." Any expirience with S@H? (Message 1755960)
Posted 13 Jan 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
pcgameshardware.de

(...)
Intel selbst hat auch nicht genauer erklärt, wo denn nun das Problem bei den Skylake-Prozessoren liegt. Mangels Specification Update lässt sich nur raten. In einem Forum wird darüber diskutiert, dass der Fehler bei Prime 95 und Skylake genau dann auftritt, wenn eine Fast Fourier Transformation (FFT) mit der Länge 768K mit AVX-Befehlen ausgeführt werden soll. Bei AVX2 soll der Fehler nicht vorhanden sein.
(...)


Google Translator say:
Intel itself has also not explained precisely where for now the problem is with the Skylake processors. Lack Specification Update can only be guessing. On a forum discussed the fact that the errors in Prime95 and Skylake exactly occurs when a fast Fourier transform (FFT) is to be executed with the length 768K with AVX commands. In AVX2 the fault should not be present.


We use here FFTW (app) and AVX (CPU).
So SETI members could be affected?

I remember the AMD Phenom (1st generation) bug, in the BIOS was an option to enable a workaround (disabled something in the CPU).
The CPU was limited.

Intels solution will be the same way?
That the Skylake will not reach the whole performance?

I don't think I have seen an option on an Intel based board to enable/disable microcode updates. If you want the fix you load the version of BIOS/UEFI with the fix. If you do not want the fix then you keep the old BIOS/UEFI version.
It is possible the next stepping of Skylake will not require a patched BIOS.

Perhaps the app devs can tell us if the 768K length issue effects the SETI@home AVX app. If it does. Then it might be good for those with Skylake hardware to use SSE3 or SSSE3 app until they get a patched BIOS/UEFI for their system.
1065) Message boards : Number crunching : How much does SETI@home affect your computer performance long-term? (Message 1755177)
Posted 9 Jan 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Surely we can all agree that (thoroughly) cleaning out dust from rigs is less than enjoyable. After MANY hours of research to spec out the new rig I just built, I found something that helps tremendously.
http://www.demcifilter.com/

The mesh is very fine, but non-obstructive. The temps on all components do not suffer. The filters can be purchased individually or in kits. Admittedly, they aren’t cheap. But then, how much did you spend on that vid card, CPU, RAM, etc.
And, cleaning them requires very little effort.

Hope this helps.

For the past few years I have been using bits of furnace filter that I cut into the sizes I need. Here is a post about when I first starting making my own. I will also add that I have been using the same filter elements since 2011 & washing them about once a year.
1066) Message boards : Number crunching : New app? (Message 1754502)
Posted 7 Jan 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Mike,

I have a question....is it true that there is no current software to run ver 8 WU's using an nVidia GPU?

If so, why do I have at least three of them sitting in my Validation Pending right now???

I've been playing with my app_info file and I was running Lunatics software prior to all of the changes.

Any thoughts?

Allen

Update: Now that I've looked, maybe I should have asked NX-01, it looks like he's got some too.

It looks like you modified the GPU sections of your app_info.xml with version 8.
So you have told the server that you have a v8 GPU app when you are still using the v7 app(setiathome enhanced x41zc). Then returning results to validate against those running the v8 CPU app. I expect most, if not all, of your GPU results, after being marked Completed, validation inconclusive, will become Invalid. Hopefully they don't see the invalid results & think it is from a problem with the current applications.
1067) Message boards : Number crunching : A cautionary tale about software development (Message 1754408)
Posted 6 Jan 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
My profession for the past 17 years as been as a Software Test Engineer. I have found that the basic mentality of the S&M departments is that it is cheaper/easier to fix bugs after a product ships. Despite that mentality being proven wrong on many occasions.
In one instance leading to the company I worked for being sued into no longer existing & a more recent company having their reputation tarnished to the point they changed the name of their flagship product.
1068) Message boards : Number crunching : App_Config compared to App_info (Message 1754404)
Posted 6 Jan 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
"Drawback" of App_Config is that you need to use new versions of BOINC. And I personally do not like the layout of BOINC > 6.

Hence, I am sticking with the old one and I can only use App_Info. A price to pay to feel at ease.

Sleepy

I don't like the GUI of BOINC 7.x either. While is why I still use boincmgr.exe v6.10.48. You can update to the newest version of BOINC & retain the old GUI if you backup the program directory, install the new version, & then copy boincmgr.exe over the v7 one. You may also need to copy a few other files depending on your OS. For Windows 7 I think there was only 1 .dll required to support the older manager GUI. Windows XP required several other files as I recall.

This will allow you to have the latest version of BOINC & retain the GUI you are accustom to using. This will also not give you access to some of the new GUI options. So another solution is to rename the v7 boincmgr.exe, I used boincmgrv7.exe, before copying the v6 boincmgr.exe into your program directory.

They can have my messages tab when they pry it from my cold dead hands!
1069) Message boards : Number crunching : Hardware News (Message 1754177)
Posted 5 Jan 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Polaris? What is this? Is AMD finally making a move?

AMD normally likes to over hype their offerings. So we will see that they actually bring to the market.

Oh man, remember when Fermi was being hyped for like.. two years, even with the year+ worth of setbacks? Nvidia said Fermi was going to be THE ATI-killer and was going to revolutionize the GPU landscape forever.

Then after all the delays and the long wait and all the hype... Fermi quietly hit the market and it turned out the best that it could do was about 5% better on benchmarks than the second-best ATI, but was still 20% behind the top ATI card.

What a let-down.

But that taught me to never buy into the hype, especially when they start promising/claiming performance comparisons before they've even made the first functional prototype and tested it in-house.

I think AMD is trying to not claim any absolute performance figures, but merely just stating things like "going back to one FPU per core" and "ground-up redesign of caches and control/management logic" with the only performance claims that I've heard are "40% more IPC than Excavator" and "is meant to compete with Intel's high-end offerings."

That last one is just the way it was written by that journalist, using the power of speculation/assumption to fill-in-the-blanks. There's no doubt AMD is aiming for mid-high i7 territory, but they're not willing to state outright that it will be that good.....or maybe even better.

What I have heard, though, is that the desktop Zens may be delayed a small amount (a month or two, at most) since they are going to focus on getting the Opterons out the door, since the server market has more revenue potential than the desktop market does, since everyone is going to tablets and netbooks these days.



I'm really hoping AMD can pull this one off though. I don't particularly have anything against Intel...except for their ludicrous pricing models. That's why I've always gone with AMD systems, because the CPUs and the boards of them are generally about half the price of Intel CPUs and boards.


Yeah I learned long ago not to buy into the hype & wait for reviews/benchmarks to do the talking.

I have never found the AMD parts to be that cheap vs the Intel ones. Many years ago it might have been a much larger difference, but I think at the time the performance gap was also much larger. Today motherboards with the same features run pretty much the same cost for Intel or AMD. In the $100-140 range you can get a good board for either. Then for the Chips I put their CPUs like the FX 8350 against the i5. Given they are pretty on par in terms of performance. Compared to the equivalent i5 the AMD chips only saves about $50. If used heavily, like running SETI@home 24/7, that savings disappears in the first year from added electric costs.

So hopefully with their plans AMD can actually bring something better to the table for their CPUs. It only benefits us consumers when they are battling it out. We get better parts for less money. No matter which camp you like.

For my next HTPC build I would like something along the lines of my BayTrail J1900 system in terms of power consumption. Its only other requirements will be:
-4k video at 60fps while under full SETI@home load. Granted the GPU may have to be suspending while watching video.
-RAID 5 support for storage. The pseudo fake RAID with current chipsets is fine.
-CPU & MB <=$200

If AMD can manage that before Intel I'll get their hardware.
1070) Message boards : Number crunching : Hardware News (Message 1753902)
Posted 4 Jan 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Polaris? What is this? Is AMD finally making a move?

AMD normally likes to over hype their offerings. So we will see that they actually bring to the market. The Radeon Fury GPUs claimed to be 2.5 times more efficient prior to launch. The delivered products only provided small efficiency gains.

			GFLOPS		TDP	GFLOPS/Watt	
			SP	DP	Watts	SP	DP
GeForce GTX 950		1573.0	 49.2	 90	17.5	0.5
GeForce GTX 960		2308.0	 72.1	120	19.2	0.6
GeForce GTX 970		3494.0	109.0	145	24.1	0.8
GeForce GTX 980		4612.0	144.0	165	28.0	0.9
GeForce GTX 980 Ti	5632.0	176.0	250	22.5	0.7
GeForce GTX Titan X	6144.0	192.0	250	24.6	0.8

Radeon R7 360		1612.8	100.8	100	16.1	1.0
Radeon R7 370		1945.6	124.8	110	17.7	1.1
Radeon R9 380		3476.5	217.3	190	18.3	1.1
Radeon R9 380X		3973.1	248.3	190	20.9	1.3
Radeon R9 390		5120.0	640.0	275	18.6	2.3
Radeon R9 390X		5913.6	739.2	275	21.5	2.7
Radeon R9 Fury		7168.0	448.0	275	26.1	1.6
Radeon R9 Fury X	8601.6	537.6	275	31.3	2.0


In their power demo they compared the new GCN design to the GTX 950, but I think they should have compared it to the R7 360. However that might have shown the figures for the R7 360 to be inaccurate.
1071) Message boards : Number crunching : New app? (Message 1753891)
Posted 4 Jan 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Information from Charlie Fenton.
It is no longer possible to build PowerPC applications using current versions of the Mac development tools. They would have to be built with very old Mac development tools on an older Mac with a very old version of OS X.

I don't think it makes sense to offer SETI@home 8 for PowerPC Macs.

Which basically translates to "Eric, you're on your own - but I'll help with the newer machines". Given Eric's usual position on this project - to be as all-inclusive, and all-welcoming, as possible - that probably means that PPC will continue to be supported as long as Eric has access to his old machine with the old tools, and as long as results continue to be returned - however slowly - by users.

Maybe some type of virtual machine exist on Macs to emulate PPC on Intel? That way new Mac could be used just with proper software load...

The only PPC on x86 VM I know is PearPC. Another option might be if there is a PPC based cloud service.
1072) Message boards : Number crunching : Android Clone (Message 1753879)
Posted 4 Jan 2016 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hey everyone!

I threw the android build onto my phone to assist in chewing on data.. but then I had a thought.

How much more juice could the phone deliver if there were a BARE BONES OS on it that was geared specifically to BOINC? Perfect for repurposing a powerful smartphone that you're not otherwise using. Even a couple of years of cranking away at full power would give SETI@home a lot of processing -- all for the cost of a USB port.

I've got a Galaxy Note 3 I'd love to turn into a BOINC powerhouse. :D

Thanks!

Android is just a branch from Linux really. So you could give a bare Linux build a go and see how that works.
However it might be easier to either root your current install to strip out all of the unneeded junk or install a 3rd party Android build. Like one from cyanogen.
1073) Message boards : Number crunching : New app? (Message 1752680)
Posted 31 Dec 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I'm curious, there was some talk about v8 combining MB/AP tasks, Is that true?

I would guess that the work on the MB large, ~1MB, workunits & associated application would have been the first step towards that. Focus seemed to move away from that in favor of the mobile app(s).
1074) Message boards : Number crunching : Error: finish file present too long (Message 1752585)
Posted 31 Dec 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
12/30/2015 3:32:39 PM App version needs CAL but GPU doesn't support it
12/30/2015 3:32:39 PM PrimeGrid Application uses missing ATI GPU

Adjust which GPU application you want to use at Primegrid

Proth Prime Search Sieve (PPS-Sieve) and all Generalized Fermat Prime Searches support OpenCL. Then the message will change, I bet.

Your GPU doesn't support CAL anymore, but for Primegrid you probably have an application chosen that only does/did CAL.

The way the message came up it looked it it was associated with SETI@home.
I was only doing (PPS-Sieve) OpenCL on PrimeGrid with my HD 6870 before upgrading to the R9 390x. I must have had something in my client_state.xml referring to some older CAL app. Given it looks like they only support the OpenCL apps now. After doing a project reset on PrimeGrid that message has gone away. So whatever it was is cleaned up. Plus the GPUs & CPUs are being detected well.
I might be able to try popping in a CAL GPU at the same time to see what BOINC does with that. My PSU should be able to handle my old HD 5750 at the same time. At least for detection.
1075) Message boards : Number crunching : Error: finish file present too long (Message 1752538)
Posted 30 Dec 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Oh damn, that's true, when doing debug it needs special builds of the libraries AND their large *.pdb versions. Not going to pack all that in, as then the download becomes a little too large.

I've rebuilt as release with the correct libraries.
http://boincfaq.mundayweb.com/resources/alpha/boinc-7.6.23.r.zip

(removing the previous version)


I'm a bit unsure why my other machine will run the previous build. Given I don't have any VS libraries installed. However the 7.6.23r my main machine liked just fine. Looks like we are detecting everything correctly.

12/30/2015 3:32:39 PM Starting BOINC client version 7.6.23 for windows_x86_64
12/30/2015 3:32:39 PM log flags: sched_ops
12/30/2015 3:32:39 PM Libraries: libcurl/7.42.1 OpenSSL/1.0.2a zlib/1.2.8
12/30/2015 3:32:39 PM Data directory: z:\BOINC
12/30/2015 3:32:39 PM Running under account nimda
12/30/2015 3:32:39 PM OpenCL: AMD/ATI GPU 0: AMD Radeon (TM) R9 390 Series (driver version 1800.5 (VM), device version OpenCL 2.0 AMD-APP (1800.5), 8192MB, 8192MB available, 3802 GFLOPS peak)
12/30/2015 3:32:39 PM OpenCL: Intel GPU 0: Intel(R) HD Graphics 4600 (driver version 10.18.14.4156, device version OpenCL 1.2, 1195MB, 1195MB available, 32 GFLOPS peak)
12/30/2015 3:32:39 PM OpenCL CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-4670K CPU @ 3.40GHz (OpenCL driver vendor: Intel(R) Corporation, driver version 4.2.0.148, device version OpenCL 1.2 (Build 148))
12/30/2015 3:32:39 PM OpenCL CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-4670K CPU @ 3.40GHz (OpenCL driver vendor: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc., driver version 1800.5 (sse2,avx), device version OpenCL 1.2 AMD-APP (1800.5))
12/30/2015 3:32:39 PM SETI@home Found app_info.xml; using anonymous platform
12/30/2015 3:32:39 PM App version needs CAL but GPU doesn't support it
12/30/2015 3:32:39 PM PrimeGrid Application uses missing ATI GPU
12/30/2015 3:32:39 PM Host name: HAL9000II
12/30/2015 3:32:39 PM Processor: 4 GenuineIntel Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-4670K CPU @ 3.40GHz [Family 6 Model 60 Stepping 3]
12/30/2015 3:32:39 PM Processor features: <blah blah blah>
12/30/2015 3:32:39 PM OS: Microsoft Windows 7: Ultimate x64 Edition, Service Pack 1, (06.01.7601.00)
12/30/2015 3:32:39 PM Memory: 15.70 GB physical, 31.40 GB virtual
12/30/2015 3:32:39 PM Disk: 40.00 GB total, 18.11 GB free
12/30/2015 3:32:39 PM Local time is UTC -5 hours

It looks like we have a new message about non CAL GPUs now? Maybe that has been in 7.6.x for a while. I've been using 7.4.42 until testing this.
1076) Message boards : Number crunching : Error: finish file present too long (Message 1752492)
Posted 30 Dec 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Rom added code that should fix the OpenCL CPU detection problem.
Should work on AMD CPUs, but please test it on the Intel CPUs as well.

Still called BOINC 7.6.23 x64, but a debug version this time. I added in BOINC Manager as well.
http://boincfaq.mundayweb.com/resources/alpha/boinc_7.6.23.zip

On my i5-2500K it now does this:
30/12/2015 17:03:37 | | OpenCL CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-2500K CPU @ 3.30GHz (OpenCL driver vendor: Intel(R) Corporation, driver version 1.2, device version OpenCL 1.2 (Build 63463))
30/12/2015 17:03:37 | | OpenCL CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-2500K CPU @ 3.30GHz (OpenCL driver vendor: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc., driver version 1912.5 (sse2,avx), device version OpenCL 1.2 AMD-APP (1912.5))


I copied the files on top of a 7.6.22 installation. Instead of my edited 7.4. When I ran that version on my machine with a R9 390x I got this.



So I copied zlib1.dll to zlib1d.dll. Then I got the same for libcurl.dll. I continued this until I got to a dll I didn't have. It was either msvcp120.dll or msvcr120.dll. BOINC only includes msvcp100.dll & msvcr100.dll. So I stopped there.

Oddly enough my J1900 system, which I tested first, ran it without any issues. OpenCL CPU detection looked the same as 7.6.22 vanilla.
1077) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows 10 - Yea or Nay? (Message 1752360)
Posted 30 Dec 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Don't forget your tinfoil hats and faraday cages....

Those tinfoil hats would actually just act as an antenna for any mind control waves or implanted devices in someones head.

A proper Faraday cage on the other hand would be the ideal choice. By placing a computer in one it would be in no danger being forcibly updated to Windows 10.

As OS isn't something I see as idea for SaaS.
1078) Message boards : Number crunching : AMD/ATI VGA card overclocking, experiences? (Message 1751792)
Posted 26 Dec 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I've always used the overclocking tool in the driver. Depending on the GPU you have it can look different.


I've found that I can normally start in the 15-20% OC range and then slowly go up from there. In the image on the left is my R9 390x with just the GPU overclock but not the memory. Right right is the HD6870 in my HTPC that I don't OC. When I was using a HD6870 in my gaming PC I had the GPU clock to 1000 & memory at 1200.

Normally I find the auto fan control to be fine. Except with my HD5750 in the summer. Then I set the fan speed manually, but that PC lives on the top floor of my home where it gets hottest in the summer.
1079) Message boards : Number crunching : Error: finish file present too long (Message 1751789)
Posted 26 Dec 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
OpenCL CPU: (OpenCL driver vendor: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc., driver version 1912.5 (sse2,avx), device version OpenCL 1.2 AMD-APP (1912.5))

This is missing now @ 'OpenCL CPU': 'Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5-2630 v2 @ 2.60GHz'

Might be a problem with how the AMD OpenCL driver detects newer CPUs, not per se a problem with the added code, as it shows my CPU in the normal way:
26/12/2015 17:59:02 |  | OpenCL CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-2500K CPU @ 3.30GHz (OpenCL driver vendor: Intel(R) Corporation, driver version 1.2, device version OpenCL 1.2 (Build 63463))
26/12/2015 17:59:02 |  | OpenCL CPU:  (OpenCL driver vendor: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc., driver version 1912.5 (sse2,avx), device version OpenCL 1.2 AMD-APP (1912.5))


Because the normal detection of the CPU happens further down in the client, and this OpenCL detection of the CPU only happens because you've got an AMD driver installed, it's kind of moot. All the added code does is read the AMD GPU's board name from the GPU itself, it does nothing with the CPU.

I'll forward it to the developers, but wonder if it's not a coincidence. And what happens when someone installs the OpenCL driver for their CPU, instead of relying on the one from AMD for AMD GPUs.


Online is shown:
[4] AMD AMD Radeon (TM) R9 Fury Series (4096MB) OpenCL: 2.0

(maybe just one time 'AMD'?)

It's always shown this double, as far as I know, and whether it's a side effect of the driver, or something in the database I don't know. You'll have to take that up with the BOINC developers or the project. If you check at other projects, you'll see that for loads of AMD GPUs correctly detected by name this mention of AMD happens twice.

I'm pretty sure that is something on the server side of things. It occurs for all non NVIDIA GPUs.
INTEL Intel(R) HD Graphics (1195MB) OpenCL: 1.2
In my client I changed every instance of AMD to ATI.
AMD ATI Radeon HD 6870 (Barts XT) (1024MB) driver: 1.4.1848 OpenCL: 1.2

It is likely that BOINC displays the VENDOR in caps & the rest comes form the GPU. So Intel & AMD are just placing their name at the start of the device name. Aa that is what I see in clinfo:
Board name: AMD Radeon HD 6800 Series
Name: Intel(R) HD Graphics
Instead of:
Board name: Radeon HD 6800 Series
Name: HD Graphics
1080) Message boards : Number crunching : Error: finish file present too long (Message 1751788)
Posted 26 Dec 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
It might already be in the works, but while this is being developed. Perhaps the OpenCL value in Driver Version could be polled as well when using this detection method? It would be helpful to see next to a users GPU for troubleshooting. Instead of digging into their returned results.

That's already being done.

From my 7.6.22 BOINC:
24/12/2015 16:22:34 | | OpenCL: AMD/ATI GPU 0: AMD Radeon HD 7850/7870 series (Pitcairn) (driver version 1912.5 (VM), device version OpenCL 1.2 AMD-APP (1912.5), 2048MB, 2008MB available, 6400 GFLOPS peak)

So a user could give that detail to people, or we should ask that it's stored in the database on the people's account page instead of the CAL version number.

The information is sent to the server via the sched_request*.xml file:
      <opencl_platform_version>OpenCL 2.0 AMD-APP (1912.5)</opencl_platform_version>
      <opencl_device_version>OpenCL 1.2 AMD-APP (1912.5)</opencl_device_version>


Now, I've also seen that Rom added the AMD detection code to the present 7.6 branch and so I built myself a client using all that source code. Here's what it says about my GPU now:

24/12/2015 18:55:33 | | OpenCL: AMD/ATI GPU 0: AMD Radeon HD 7850/7870 series (Pitcairn) (driver version 1912.5 (VM), device version OpenCL 1.2 AMD-APP (1912.5), 2048MB, 2008MB available, 6400 GFLOPS peak)

Yes, spot the difference. There isn't any. Looks like maybe the previous code

Given the CAL version hasn't changes in over 2 years, CAT 13.9, & isn't present on newer GPUs. Displaying the OpenCL version in the host information seems like a good idea. Would that replace the CAL version or would both be displayed for GPUs that support both? Perhaps it would be display CAL version if null display OpenCL version?
Would that effect projects that use the CAL version for app detection? Until 15.11 the OpenCL version has always been lower than the CAL version. These two values are probably stored & used differently on the server end of things.
1081) Message boards : Number crunching : Which Hardware for a Gaming PC? (Message 1751787)
Posted 26 Dec 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
For my gaming machine I normally go with high mid grade hardware. This is my current gaming machine with a R9 390x & a 480GB Sandisk SDD.
As I don't play a lot of FPS intensive games & only have a 1080p monitor this setup works pretty well for me. The newest game I'm playing now is Fallout 4. Which my 390x is happy to run on ultra settings at a near constant 60fps in 1080. There are some sections of the game where I see the fps into the 40's, but that could be my CPU limiting me. I need to do some testing with my CPU overclocked & if that doesn't improve things it could be the i5 limiting me. As they do suggest an 8 core CPU for best performance. However in looking at CPU logs while playing I never see more than 2 cores maxed.

Also I'm considering GTA V for my PC instead of replacing my PS3 with a PS4 for the new game content they have added recently. When released earlier this year they indicated that a minimum of dual top end GPUs would be required for 4k 60fps game play.

Depending on the games you like I would same 2-3 years isn't an unreasonable time to expect a new setup to last. Beyond that I imagine new GPUs may be needed to play bleeding edge games. The rest of the machine will likely be OK. Unless something drastic changes in gaming. I imagine my i5-4670K will keep my gaming system up to snuff for several more years.
1082) Message boards : Number crunching : Error: finish file present too long (Message 1750966)
Posted 22 Dec 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
This tells us that AMD started implementing CL_DEVICE_BOARD_NAME_AMD prior to officially indicating they did. SDK 2.6 may have had this feature as beta. Maybe it goes back even further.
Given the documentation for the feature states OpenCL 1.2. It is likely the BOINC devs will choose to only lookup the information when OpenCL 1.2+ is detected.
1083) Message boards : Number crunching : Error: finish file present too long (Message 1750953)
Posted 21 Dec 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Rom's been busy, since I sent him that info.

client: AMD decided to put the more descriptive version of the GPU name in a custom extension, so use the custom attribute to get the board name.
lib: Add defines for Nvidia specific OpenCL extensions. To be used later
lib: Add more OpenCL defines and HTTP references to the extension documentation

So, it looks like Nvidia's OpenCL capability detection is getting worked on as well. Note, none of this is coming to BOINC 7.6, I think. This will probably warrant a new testing version, big code change and all.

Thanks for the initial hint, Hal. Kudos have been forwarded up the line. :)


It might already be in the works, but while this is being developed. Perhaps the OpenCL value in Driver Version could be polled as well when using this detection method? It would be helpful to see next to a users GPU for troubleshooting. Instead of digging into their returned results.

Like how we see:
AMD AMD Radeon HD 7850/7870 series (Pitcairn) (2048MB) driver: 1.4.1848 OpenCL: 1.2

Perhaps it could be
AMD Radeon R9 390 Series (8192MB) driver: 1912.5 OpenCL: 2.0
or
AMD Radeon R9 390 Series (Hawaii) (8192MB) driver: 1912.5 OpenCL: 2.0
1084) Message boards : Number crunching : Error: finish file present too long (Message 1750946)
Posted 21 Dec 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
(Catalyst 11.12) / XP

For OpenCL 1.2 APP SDK 2.7 is needed, which starts at Catalyst 12.4

The sentence also included this:
"so here it doesn't matter which driver you have installed"

So driver matters if bellow Catalyst 12.4

Nevertheless maybe cl_amd_device_attribute_query will work partially even on OpenCL 1.1 driver:

You can check by running clinfo.exe. You are looking for Board Name near the top of the information for the device.

Like this:
  Platform Name:                                 AMD Accelerated Parallel Pro
Number of devices:                               2
  Device Type:                                   CL_DEVICE_TYPE_GPU
  Vendor ID:                                     1002h
  Board name:                                    AMD Radeon HD 6300M Series

Note: You may need to use a newer clinfo.exe than the one provided with your driver.
1085) Message boards : Number crunching : Error: finish file present too long (Message 1750921)
Posted 21 Dec 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Some of the newer drivers still include the old ATI CAL files

True that, but for the capability of the new board name detection OpenCL 1.2 comliancy is required, something that the early HD3xxx (OpenCL 1.0)and HD4xxx (OpenCL 1.1) GPUs didn't have, so that automatically excludes them.

All GPUs from HD5xxx onwards are at least OpenCL 1.2 complaint, so here it doesn't matter which driver you have installed, as long as it has OpenCL included and still supports the older hardware. And when it has OpenCL installed, the old CAL detection on the GPU will no longer be used, in favor of the Board Name detection.

The CAL detection which is hard-coded in the client puts old GPUs together with new GPUs, based on the code-name of the GPU (Tahiti, Pitcairn, Fiji, Hawaii). The Board Name will show the actual series the GPU belongs to, like HD 7800 Series.
I don't think the precise version can ever be detected, like HD 7870.

Having the series name is much nicer than seeing "Radeon HD 7870/7950/7970/R9 280X series (Tahiti)". There can be a large difference in performance between GPUs with the same base family.
The OpenCL Board Name value looks to be the name supplied by the driver. AMD likes using "xxxx Series" instead of specific names in their drivers. So users that want their specific device name to be displayed can modify the driver .inf or registry if they wish.

EDIT: Testing on my notebook with 15.7.1 I changed every instance of "AMD Radeon HD 6300M Series" to "Radeon HD 6370M" in the .inf & then the registry. However clinfo still gives me "AMD Radeon HD 6300M Series". They might have coded the name in one of the .dlls.
1086) Message boards : Number crunching : Error: finish file present too long (Message 1750915)
Posted 21 Dec 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
All GPUs from HD5xxx onwards are at least OpenCL 1.2 complaint, so here it doesn't matter which driver you have installed, as long as it has OpenCL included and still supports the older hardware.

For my system it seems not true:
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/show_host_detail.php?hostid=4832843

AMD Radeon HD 6570 / Turks
ati2mtag 8.920.0.0 (Catalyst 11.12) / XP
CAL 1.4.1646
OpenCL 1.1 AMD-APP (831.4) FULL_PROFILE

Detected by GPU Caps Viewer
http://www.ozone3d.net/gpudb/gpu.php?which=3581&v=2#opencl

and SETI@home apps:
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/result.php?resultid=4596948648


cl_amd_device_attribute_query shown among OpenCL extensions for this driver, so why there is:

Dependencies
OpenCL 1.2 is required.
https://www.khronos.org/registry/cl/extensions/amd/cl_amd_device_attribute_query.txt

Just because you use a driver that does not support OpenCL 1.2 does not mean your hardware does not support OpenCL 1.2. All GPUs from the HD 5000 series & newer support OpenCL 1.2. Apparently GPUs based on GCN 1.1 or newer support OpenCL 2.0.
I'm not sure which driver first supported OpenCL 1.2, but I would guess that it might be in SDK 2.7. Which started with Cat 12.4. OpenCL 1.2 was officially added as a spec on 2011-11-15. It could also be that no XP driver supports OpenCL 1.2.
1087) Message boards : Number crunching : AMD Radeon R9H365X GPU trouble (Message 1750907)
Posted 21 Dec 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
ok done all I can, keep getting a pop up that says 'seti@home has been blocked from accessing graphics hardware' . Sometimes the pop up says Microsoft windows has been blocked from accessing graphics, but mostly seti. Weird thing is, if I abort an amd graphics wu , it WILL then do the next task fine, but once it's done it goes back to not working unless I abort the task ??? weird huh ?

Have you tried, or are you, running BOINC with admin privileges?
1088) Message boards : Number crunching : AMD Radeon R9H365X GPU trouble (Message 1750642)
Posted 20 Dec 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I would guess you have a beta driver between 15.7.1 & 15.11.

For Michael's reference:

ATI Driver Cheat Sheet

Claggy

I saw that, thought "oh a driver cheat sheet", clicked on it, & then smacked myself in the head.
It's more amusing since I just updated it a few days ago.
1089) Message boards : Number crunching : AMD Radeon R9H365X GPU trouble (Message 1750640)
Posted 20 Dec 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thanks for the replies guys :-) 15.201.1101.0 the driver, installed august 2015, though this is a new laptop...trouble is , it's a toshiba laptop and it won't let you install drivers :-( plus, I don't know what the hell I've done now but the amd card and the intel one have slowed right up, they're fine at the start , but when they get to 99.500% + they almost grind to a halt and will be stuck on 99.99 % for a couple of hours, whatever I've done , I've made it worse...lol.....still hit and miss with the amd card, sometimes it's stuck on 0.0000% all the time and sometimes it works

Ok that sounds more like vendor specific driver release instead of the general one from the GPU manufacture. Having a machine with locked drivers can be a pain to work around sometimes.
Based on what you are describing now a thermal issue seems plausable. Are you using any monitoring software like like GPUz, HWMonitor, or HWiNFO.

My my notebook with an HD6370m I can run the CPU or the GPU, but the cooling system can't handle both at once.
1090) Message boards : Number crunching : AMD Radeon R9H365X GPU trouble (Message 1750630)
Posted 20 Dec 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
What GPU driver do you have installed? Your tasks report Version: OpenCL 1.2 AMD-APP (1800.11). However I'm unable to find a driver package that contain that OpenCL version.
Based on the versions in the released drivers
15.7 1800.5
15.7.1 1800.8
15.11 1912.5
I would guess you have a beta driver between 15.7.1 & 15.11.
1091) Message boards : Number crunching : Error: finish file present too long (Message 1750627)
Posted 20 Dec 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
But, as you see from other posts, the future BOINC versions will get the full name from (newer?) drivers
(I don't know which is the minimum ATI AMD driver version that have the extensions needed to get the full name)

Not drivers per se, but OpenCL 1.2 compliancy. In other words, all ATI/AMD GPUs that can do OpenCL 1.2, will be able to report their board name. GPUs before that time are hard-coded in the client, but that requires that the driver that's installed detects CAL on the GPU.

Newer drivers may no longer have the CAL component, because newer hardware doesn't support it anymore, but then the GPUs that use this (HD 4xxx mainly) have been deprecated long ago and are no longer supported in present drivers.

Some of the newer drivers still include the old ATI CAL files, but it looks like they are only referenced for the older not GCN GPUs. I would guess GCN GPUs support CAL as much as they support CUDA.

In fact the current 15.11 & 15.12 drivers only list 7700 & higher GPUs as supported. However there are still some lower end GPUs listed in the .inf.
1092) Message boards : Number crunching : Radeon Software Crimson (Message 1750357)
Posted 19 Dec 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Mike wrote:
(...)
Dirk Sadowsky is running 4 FuryX without issues as well.


My four FuryX's (from PowerColor) PC is currently top host #5.
And this with just 1 WU/GPU.
More isn't possible with the currently driver.
Two Xeon's each with 6 CPU-Cores/12 threads, but HT off for faster GPU app calculation, so 12 CPU-Cores.
1 Core/GPU app, so 8 Cores crunch tasks.


BTW.
Crimson 15.12 is available. (at least for Win8.1 x64)
For some minutes installed, but it's the same v1912.5 driver like in Crimson v15.11 and v15.11.1 Beta.
So I guess still not 2+WUs/GPU possible, right?

It would depend on if the issue was in OpenCL or a different part of the driver. At the very best I would say only 50% chance it will let you run 2 wu/GPU. Probably no holiday present from them for you then :(
1093) Message boards : Number crunching : Error: finish file present too long (Message 1750227)
Posted 18 Dec 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hal, do you know which clinfo executable you use, and where you got it from?
There's a variety of clinfo executables out there, but not all show the "Board name". I've got at least 3 clinfo versions on my system, two of which don't show it, one does. I'm doing a search for this third one that can.

Have done a search for clinfo's source code as well, have found various versions but none do "Board name".

Edit: seems I have found it.
{ CLINFO_BOTH, DINFO(CL_DEVICE_BOARD_NAME_AMD, "Device Board Name (AMD)", str), dev_has_amd },

You already found it, but It looks like the clinfo I'm using is from the Radeon driver.

On my R9 390x I get
Board name: AMD Radeon (TM) R9 390 Series
Name: Hawaii

If this value is consistent enough it could same the time and effort in manually hard coding names in the future.
1094) Message boards : Number crunching : Error: finish file present too long (Message 1750162)
Posted 18 Dec 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Okay, appears I have been mistaken.
The case numbers in the code are for CAL detection, but since the newer AMD GPUs no longer support CAL, they won't use these strings in the client for the detection of their name. Then OpenCL takes over and the short name is the only thing you see because OpenCL doesn't do these long name strings.

I always thought that OpenCL did given that one the strings returned from clinfo returns the long name for the device.
Board name: AMD Radeon HD 6300M Series
vs
Name: Cedar

Do Nvidia GPUs provide a value for Board name as well? Perhaps that could be used as a fall back instead of Name?
1095) Message boards : Number crunching : Nvidia 7300 (Message 1749806)
Posted 17 Dec 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have recently gotten some older computers. I threw a few on my network just for running boinc. One is a Sony Vaio pcv rx860 pentium 4.

After setting up boinc and getting it going, I realized I had a geforce7300gt video card that would work with it. I installed the card and drivers fine. Reloaded boinc manager.

In my list of computers it shows this sony vaio with no GPU still. I know according to nvidas list of cuda cards, this one is in there.

I tried uninstalling boinc, reinstalling and running cpu benchmarks again, but still nothing seems to happen. This is a very low spec machine so the GPU could really help.

How can I get boinc to see the gpu and use it in this now upgraded machine?

As already mentioned by others CUDA support started with the 8000 series. For your older machines with AGP ports you might be able to find a PCI GPU to pop in them if you want to do GPU crunching. I think a popular option was the 9500 or 9600 GT. There was also a PCI version of the GT 430 & GT 520 iirc.
If you are more adventurous. There are PCI to PCIe adapters that can sometimes work.

Another consideration is the cost of buying older GPUs. If you can get them super cheap them you are in business. However you also consider swapping out the motherboards on the older P4 systems with more efficient technology. In the $50-60 range you can get an mini ITX motherboard that has the CPU & GPU integrated. Which is not only several times faster then the older systems, but also uses much less power.
Swapping out the MB has other issues. Like possibly the OS having to be reinstalled & reactivated. Which then turns it into a whole new build at that point.
1096) Message boards : Number crunching : Radeon Software Crimson (Message 1749775)
Posted 17 Dec 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thats the reasoni only use Spphire.
I never had problems with them.
Dirk Sadowsky is running 4 FuryX without issues as well.

I've only gone with Sapphire since ATI stopped making their own cards.

The R9 390x I got in October has been working well for me. Hopefully I'll be able to spool it up for 24/7 SETI@home use soon.
1097) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (101) Server Problems? (Message 1742142)
Posted 14 Nov 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
It could possibly be too early to tell, but looking at the Haveland graphs, it seems 1M is probably the new high-water mark. I say that because the SSP right now shows 997k and the creation rate is in the low 10s instead of low 30s.

There's nothing inherently wrong with having a 1M RTS buffer.. I know there's disk space for it, but the main concern is "as long as the DB can handle that extra load."

Well we never know where the limit is until it is crossed.
1098) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows 10 - Yea or Nay? (Message 1741928)
Posted 14 Nov 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
A plug for the Windoze nay sayers! I recently purchased a Lumia 640. Excellent phone! I can't complain about it a bit. Unbelievable battery life.

DO NOT, UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES, DOWNLOAD WINDOZE PHONE 10! Downloaded an app that will restore it to Win 8 or 8.1, really don't care at this point.

Upon installing the Windoze Phone 10 update (pushed from AT&T I suppose) I lost all PC connectivity; usb, Bluetooth... I couldn't add or remove any files. Unbelievable...or not....

If the reset app works I'll give an update.

Otherwise, my Win 10 PC is really working well. All "spyware" turned off.


HA! It worked, back to Windows Phone 8.1.... gonna stay there for a while....

Until AT&T updates your phone again.


The update isn't automatic, thankfully....

The update on my Galaxy S4 from Jelly Bean to Lollipop wasn't suppose to be, but someone decided that my phone needed updating without my permission.
1099) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows 10 - Yea or Nay? (Message 1741871)
Posted 13 Nov 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
A plug for the Windoze nay sayers! I recently purchased a Lumia 640. Excellent phone! I can't complain about it a bit. Unbelievable battery life.

DO NOT, UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES, DOWNLOAD WINDOZE PHONE 10! Downloaded an app that will restore it to Win 8 or 8.1, really don't care at this point.

Upon installing the Windoze Phone 10 update (pushed from AT&T I suppose) I lost all PC connectivity; usb, Bluetooth... I couldn't add or remove any files. Unbelievable...or not....

If the reset app works I'll give an update.

Otherwise, my Win 10 PC is really working well. All "spyware" turned off.


HA! It worked, back to Windows Phone 8.1.... gonna stay there for a while....

Until AT&T updates your phone again.
1100) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (101) Server Problems? (Message 1741870)
Posted 13 Nov 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Just for fun I attatched my Samsung S4 to SETI and I found that the faulty WU's has made their way to Android too.

01no11ac.12732.6374.6.12.115.vlar_1

After 4+ Hours of computing, I found that the progress was atuck at 0.6%.

so I aborted the task.

It works, but I do not expect the S4 to contribute much to my score. :)

ChrisD

I would actually abort VLARs on my S4. Is yours the quad 2.3GHz, 1.9GHz, or dual quad 1.6GHz/1.2GHz variant?
Mine is the quad 1.9GHz variant & after a few VLARs finished I decided they took entirely to long running 4 at a time. I was using the "only when plugged in" setting & it probably spent ~16-18 hours a day running.
1101) Message boards : Technical News : Splits (Nov 10 2015) (Message 1741209)
Posted 11 Nov 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
That's for the updates. It is always nice to hear what is going on behind the scenes.
1102) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (101) Server Problems? (Message 1741137)
Posted 10 Nov 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
WU's from 23oc11ah.17390 keeps arriving in my cache, and every one is reported as invalid. Theses are split on 8th and 9th of Nov.

I have plenty of 08ap11... 11no11... 08ja11...

The ONLY 04... Unit I have in queue is... is 04ap11...

We still seem to have some severe temporal dislocation in this thread.

The problem is neither when the original data was recorded at Arecibo, nor when the individual task was replicated to send out to the latest user:



but only when the original workunit was carved out of the recording tape:


That being the case, Richard, (now I give up, because I don't understand how, or where to find that date), I have looked in my BOINC queues on both machines for ANY units with "_7", "_4", or "_9" in each and EVERY WU in queue... NOTHING exists in either machine.

Therefore, I conclude, once again, that I am clear of these WUs... They have run their course on my machines...

Thank you - sincerely,


TL

Some people seem to confuse task & workunit or use the terms interchangeably. You need to use the site to see the workunit information.
On your task list click on the ID number under the Work unit click for details column instead of the ID under the Task
click for details
column.

I like to think of it as:
A task contains the record of the host & it's result data.
A workunit contains the records of all the tasks for that workunit.
1103) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (101) Server Problems? (Message 1740766)
Posted 9 Nov 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
[Rant On]

Today, I'm up to 53 Invalid, 36 Inconclusive. This is getting really, REALLY stupid!!!

These faulty units should just be purged from the system; especially if Eric and the rest know that these are faulty. Why are we being left to take the hit on these ludicrous units???

[Rant Off.]

On a more positive note; both my computers put enough work in to raise my RAC back to a more reasonable level. I hope that trend holds. :-)

TL

They could be taking this opportunity to verify other systems in place are working correctly when there are known bad workunits in play.
As I understand it. Trying to track down all of the bad workunits and flag them to be canceled by the server would be more work than just letting them run through the system.
1104) Message boards : Number crunching : How Do You Assign A Cruncher A New Computer ID? (Message 1739892)
Posted 5 Nov 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Notice that whether the hosts have results or not is not a criteria. In fact, the code attempts to move results from old host to new host.

Yeah it is a little odd when you have a host that spontaneously gets a new ID. The previously assigned tasks are listed under the old ID until they are returned. After being returned they are listed under the new ID. It makes sense, but just seems a bit odd the first time you actually see it.
1105) Message boards : Number crunching : How Do You Assign A Cruncher A New Computer ID? (Message 1739362)
Posted 3 Nov 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
If you can get access to a non-cruncher, just for setup, and then transfer client_state.xml containing the fresh hostID to where you want a fresh Id ?


Interesting thought, and that might be give me a new ID#3 but if I don't convince the SETI boinc server first that ID#2 is dead, won't I have overlapping times between ID#2 and ID#3? I guess I would have to make sure ID#2 has no work and then take it off line never to return before creating ID#3 with the non cruncher. Perhaps if I did that I could merge #1 and #3 immediately and then merge with #2 after all #2's pending WUs are completed and purged.

I have one question though. How close in hardware configuration does the non cruncher have to be to my current machine to be able to merge afterwards, or does the hardware difference matter at all?

If the hardware is different you will get the "No hosts are eligible for merging with this one." message. I wold hazard a guess the OS must match as well.
1106) Message boards : Number crunching : How Do You Assign A Cruncher A New Computer ID? (Message 1739141)
Posted 2 Nov 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
One has to ask "Why"?


In answer to your question, back in June for some unknown reason my Linux server picked up a new ID. When I realized it, I tried merging them so that I just had one machine again. The response I received was that I could not merge them because the dates overlapped. That was a real puzzler since it would have meant the server had two IDs at the same time. Since I did not think that was likely I assumed I was receiving that response because the times on the WUs overlapped. I then waited patiently for the all the WUs on the first ID to be completed. It has now been weeks since that happened and the first ID has absolutely no WUs of any sort and the earliest WUs on the second machine are dated way after the date of the split. Unfortunately that was not the answer as I still receive “overlapping lifetime” so I cannot merge them.

My current thought is that if I could create a new ID by design, and in such a manner that they don’t overlap, I can merge all three since the new ID would not overlap with the first one as well.

I had thought something similar in the past, but I was still not able to marge two hosts months after they had 0 tasks assigned to them. The time overlap seems to be recorded somewhere else. I believe the best you can hope for is the merging of ID 1 & 3. With the resulting ID being that of 3.

I have found it to be a bit more tricky getting the server to issue me a new ID more recently. Even when restoring an OS image that never had BOINC installed the server would assign the previous ID when I connected to the project. Unless I also changed the system name. Then I could change the system name back after to merge the host.
I was creating new IDs for benchmark/test use & then merging the previous into the last one when done.
1107) Message boards : Number crunching : Password recovery (Message 1738902)
Posted 1 Nov 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Personally I use this tool http://pogostick.net/~pnh/ntpasswd/. You can change or blank out a password to gain access to the system if needed.

If someone has forgotten their password it is easier to just reset it instead of looking up what it was.
1108) Message boards : Number crunching : Show and tell your machine. Here's mine. (Message 1737347)
Posted 27 Oct 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Zule, how did you end up with a computer creation date of 11 Feb 2012 ??

Obviously everything changed, but did you reuse an old drive/OS and Seti read that info?

You simply move your data directory to the new system.
1109) Message boards : Number crunching : Halfway to a million (Message 1737219)
Posted 26 Oct 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I love doing my part.
Who has the record points? Anyone halfway to a billion?

Well we do have several people past 500,000,000 & one nearing 2 billion.
You can view various Statistics for the project, & Top participants has the info you specially asked about.
1110) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (101) Server Problems? (Message 1737054)
Posted 26 Oct 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Strange that when the ATI Apps were released it didn't take a week before some were displayed. I've launched specific hardware and seen it show up within a day back when there were few Linux GPUs being displayed. Not to mention the Mac nVidia AP App has been around for quite a while and recently has had constant results returned from caches yet nothing was being displayed...until I mentioned it. Look at the Mac nVidia AP number, it's quite high comparatively and the slower cards have been working continuously. Those of us that pay attention aren't easily fooled, believe what you wish, within hours of me mentioning it they appeared.


I'm not sure what the threshold value for a specific GPU to be displayed might be. The CPU list requires 10 hosts before a specific CPU is listed.
I'm not sure that same limit is used on the GPU list. As I have from time to time seem my custom GPU name of "ATI Radeon HD 6870 (Barts XT)" be displayed instead of the BOINC stock "AMD Radeon HD 6790/6850/6870 series (Barts)"

From what I can tell in the code it requires there be at least 1 device in the past 30 days. There is a section where it is getting the results that states $results = BoincResult::enum( "app_version_id in ($av_ids) and create_time > $t and elapsed_time>100 limit 500" );. So it looks like tasks under 100 seconds don't get counted. Which would prevent those that GPU's that only produce invalids ever 5 seconds from getting mixed in.
However I'm not seeing any other limiting factor.

And back to:

Mac
No GPU tasks reported

For both Nvidia and Intel GPUs, perhaps there weren't enough hosts/samples in this latest snapshot.

Claggy

The Total is also missing under Intel. Maybe it doesn't show up when there is only one platform? That would make logical sense I suppose.

Maybe you can elaborate on what you mean by only one platform?

I'd be happy to do so. The Top GPU models list, which are talking about, is separated by platform, Windows, Linux, & Mac. Additionally a total column ranking the GPUs across all three platforms. As of the 25 Oct 2015, 16:06:29 UTC update the Total column under Intel is missing. There are only GPUs listed under Windows with Linux & Mac indicating No GPU tasks reported.
I am guessing as there is only data for the one platform the total column is not being included as it would be redundant. At this point all we can do is guess.
1111) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (101) Server Problems? (Message 1736928)
Posted 25 Oct 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Strange that when the ATI Apps were released it didn't take a week before some were displayed. I've launched specific hardware and seen it show up within a day back when there were few Linux GPUs being displayed. Not to mention the Mac nVidia AP App has been around for quite a while and recently has had constant results returned from caches yet nothing was being displayed...until I mentioned it. Look at the Mac nVidia AP number, it's quite high comparatively and the slower cards have been working continuously. Those of us that pay attention aren't easily fooled, believe what you wish, within hours of me mentioning it they appeared.


I'm not sure what the threshold value for a specific GPU to be displayed might be. The CPU list requires 10 hosts before a specific CPU is listed.
I'm not sure that same limit is used on the GPU list. As I have from time to time seem my custom GPU name of "ATI Radeon HD 6870 (Barts XT)" be displayed instead of the BOINC stock "AMD Radeon HD 6790/6850/6870 series (Barts)"

From what I can tell in the code it requires there be at least 1 device in the past 30 days. There is a section where it is getting the results that states $results = BoincResult::enum( "app_version_id in ($av_ids) and create_time > $t and elapsed_time>100 limit 500" );. So it looks like tasks under 100 seconds don't get counted. Which would prevent those that GPU's that only produce invalids ever 5 seconds from getting mixed in.
However I'm not seeing any other limiting factor.

And back to:

Mac
No GPU tasks reported

For both Nvidia and Intel GPUs, perhaps there weren't enough hosts/samples in this latest snapshot.

Claggy

The Total is also missing under Intel. Maybe it doesn't show up when there is only one platform? That would make logical sense I suppose.
1112) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows 10 - Yea or Nay? (Message 1736855)
Posted 25 Oct 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Just another lie from M$. They said that Win10 Insider installations will contnue to work after Win10 release.
Today my Win10x64 Insider installation refused to boot with message about winloader.exe being expired...

One more obvious reason to trust M$ and believe Win10 will not be blocked at Windows with annual fee release...

Had you updated to the release build v10.0.1024 or were you still on something older? Prerelease versions have always expired & the dates are normally posted. Here are some of the dates for several of the Windows 10 builds:
http://microsoft-news.com/microsoft-details-expiration-dates-for-windows-10-technical-preview/


I tried update before booting into Vista. Then, booting today back I got that message. Cause it appears immediately after Win10 boot selection no way to update it into anything anymore.

You could try setting the clock back to October 1st. Perhaps that would let it boot. Then you could updates the date & do an update maybe.
1113) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows 10 - Yea or Nay? (Message 1736778)
Posted 24 Oct 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Just another lie from M$. They said that Win10 Insider installations will contnue to work after Win10 release.
Today my Win10x64 Insider installation refused to boot with message about winloader.exe being expired...

One more obvious reason to trust M$ and believe Win10 will not be blocked at Windows with annual fee release...

Had you updated to the release build v10.0.1024 or were you still on something older? Prerelease versions have always expired & the dates are normally posted. Here are some of the dates for several of the Windows 10 builds:
http://microsoft-news.com/microsoft-details-expiration-dates-for-windows-10-technical-preview/
1114) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (101) Server Problems? (Message 1736677)
Posted 24 Oct 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Strange that when the ATI Apps were released it didn't take a week before some were displayed. I've launched specific hardware and seen it show up within a day back when there were few Linux GPUs being displayed. Not to mention the Mac nVidia AP App has been around for quite a while and recently has had constant results returned from caches yet nothing was being displayed...until I mentioned it. Look at the Mac nVidia AP number, it's quite high comparatively and the slower cards have been working continuously. Those of us that pay attention aren't easily fooled, believe what you wish, within hours of me mentioning it they appeared.


I'm not sure what the threshold value for a specific GPU to be displayed might be. The CPU list requires 10 hosts before a specific CPU is listed.
I'm not sure that same limit is used on the GPU list. As I have from time to time seem my custom GPU name of "ATI Radeon HD 6870 (Barts XT)" be displayed instead of the BOINC stock "AMD Radeon HD 6790/6850/6870 series (Barts)"

From what I can tell in the code it requires there be at least 1 device in the past 30 days. There is a section where it is getting the results that states $results = BoincResult::enum( "app_version_id in ($av_ids) and create_time > $t and elapsed_time>100 limit 500" );. So it looks like tasks under 100 seconds don't get counted. Which would prevent those that GPU's that only produce invalids ever 5 seconds from getting mixed in.
However I'm not seeing any other limiting factor.
1115) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (101) Server Problems? (Message 1736669)
Posted 24 Oct 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Here's an interesting phenomena. If you look at the Apps page you see the amount of production for each App. Let's look at these two,
Linux/x86_64 	        7.08 (opencl_nvidia_sah) 	18 Sep 2015, 18:34:25 UTC 	3,143 GigaFLOPS
Mac OS X/64-bit Intel 	7.08 (opencl_nvidia_mac) 	16 Oct 2015, 18:45:36 UTC 	4,943 GigaFLOPS

OK, now let's look at the GPU page here, http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/gpu_list.php. If you look at the associated results you see the Mac results are listed as, No GPU tasks reported. But...How can that be? There are more GigaFLOPS for the Mac nVidia App than the Linux one. Surely some NV GPU is producing those results. Is this some sort of server error or is something else at play?

I would guess not enough results have been reported by those devices in the time period required so that they GPUs are listed.

Agree,

Over a week has gone by now, and now they are displayed:

Mac

   1. (1.000) GeForce GTX 680
   2. (0.916) GeForce GTX 780M
   3. (0.760) GeForce GTX 675MX
   4. (0.216) GeForce GTX 680MX
   5. (0.009) GeForce 9400
   6. (0.009) GeForce GT 120 


Claggy

The most recent polling at 24 Oct 2015, 0:10:45 looks to have picked them up. The last change to the Top GPUs list on github was: Oct 20, 2014 - @davidpanderson GPU list script: fix bug, and include anonymous platform hosts. So it just took some time for the app to go out & hosts to start returning enough work to be added to the list.
1116) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (101) Server Problems? (Message 1736559)
Posted 23 Oct 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Here's an interesting phenomena. If you look at the Apps page you see the amount of production for each App. Let's look at these two,
Linux/x86_64 	        7.08 (opencl_nvidia_sah) 	18 Sep 2015, 18:34:25 UTC 	3,143 GigaFLOPS
Mac OS X/64-bit Intel 	7.08 (opencl_nvidia_mac) 	16 Oct 2015, 18:45:36 UTC 	4,943 GigaFLOPS

OK, now let's look at the GPU page here, http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/gpu_list.php. If you look at the associated results you see the Mac results are listed as, No GPU tasks reported. But...How can that be? There are more GigaFLOPS for the Mac nVidia App than the Linux one. Surely some NV GPU is producing those results. Is this some sort of server error or is something else at play?

I would guess not enough results have been reported by those devices in the time period required so that they GPUs are listed.

It could be useful to add another coloumn on the app list after "average computing" with the number of hosts that were used to get that average. Like the "Number of computers" column on the CPU list.
1117) Message boards : Number crunching : Anything relating to AstroPulse tasks (Message 1736326)
Posted 23 Oct 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
thx, removed drivers yesterday...
restarted
& put v12.1 on Win10...
result - no CAL on ATi HD3650...

put v12.4 on Win10...
result - no CAL on ATi HD3650...

will try out today with v12.8
:/

Did you try to install one of these drivers in Windows compatibility mode ?

Is your Catalyst 12.8 driver the legacy version ?

Newer legacy drivers for testing

There is also a slightly newer driver released under Windows 7, but I used it with HD3450's under Windows 10.
1118) Message boards : Number crunching : nVidia is changing how you get driver updates! (Message 1735832)
Posted 21 Oct 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Does "WHQL" (Windows Hardware Quality Labs) signify a non-beta version?

Yes, that's the usual interpretation. But non-Beta isn't necessarily the same as bug-free: sometimes bugs still pass WHQL certification.

Having done WHQL driver certification myself. A driver that is certified doesn't really carry much weight for me personally. In some situations no actually certification testing needs to be done to get a signed driver.

Also as you say a certified driver doesn't mean a lack of errors. Especially in how we tend to use graphics drivers. I don't believe there are any OpenCL or CUDA specific test. I think there were some basic OpenGL tests, but they have been removing required tests over the past few years. So even that may no longer exist.
1119) Message boards : Number crunching : Anything relating to AstroPulse tasks (Message 1735197)
Posted 18 Oct 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
installed Catalyst v12,1...even tough my CAL stayed on v1.4.1734...
got some APs...don't think they were correct ones...

question: how to install CAL v.1.4.1720 or earlier to work?
how to overwrite drivers? :/

Did you not uninstall the old driver before installing the version you want? It's best to use a utility to remove all components of the currently installed driver before installing another one.
http://www.wagnardmobile.com/DDU/
1120) Message boards : Number crunching : allprojectstats.com is finished? (Message 1734843)
Posted 17 Oct 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Not sure where you draw the conclusion that "allprojects" will come back. It may or is may not???

Dirk (the other one) was talking about fixing/changing the related user statistics he was drawing from for his SETISpirit add-on. The allproject signature was a recent addition to the add-on in any case.

All you've confirmed is that what Dirk saw two weeks ago Dirk also saw.

"Allprojects" is not a significant stat or sig site for me so I have no idea if this is a temporary state for Allprojects or not.

Over the past few months I've seen the site go offline at various times & there are some projects that they don't update. So I haven't spent much time checking the site recently.

Perhaps they are having some server issues? If they are and need new hardware they could ask for help like the guys at free-dc & boincstats have done recently.
1121) Message boards : Number crunching : SMART and Individual Hard Drives (Message 1734418)
Posted 15 Oct 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
You guys are all wrong on this, I am sorry to say.

I had 3 x 1.5TB HD in a Drobo; when I took them out of the Drobo and hooked them up to the MB, I got no SMART info, that was the reason for the post. When Googling, I found references that Drobo (and at least some other RAID appliances/cards) somehow turned the internal drive SMART off so that normal programs that access SMART data could not. Again, as I said in my OP, this has nothing to do with the MB BIOS SMART setting.

So if they can turn SMART reporting off AT THE DRIVE LEVEL, there must be a way to turn it back on. THAT is what I am asking about.

Do you get the SMART data from any other drives connected to your system from the same controller?
1122) Message boards : Number crunching : 4x AMD Radeon R9 Fury X (Message 1733144)
Posted 9 Oct 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Link to post with link to DDU

How about a link to the actual source.
http://www.wagnardmobile.com/DDU/
1123) Message boards : Number crunching : WTH is this? (Message 1732673)
Posted 7 Oct 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/workunit.php?wuid=1923735966

It's an invalid result. Much like the other 146 on your host.
1124) Message boards : Number crunching : Anything relating to AstroPulse tasks (Message 1732638)
Posted 7 Oct 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Interresting, thx!

I wonder if so many ppl are eager to get APs because they cover a wider range of science or if it's just because of the credits/Rac.

I like that they take longer. So I can build up a queue longer than a few hours on my fastest machines.
1125) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (100) Server Problems? (Message 1732037)
Posted 5 Oct 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Patience, Patience, Patience.

SETI@Home is operating on a Shoestring Budget.

BTW: Would like to see a 'Green Star' next to every Poster's name.

+ alot

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_D_Z-D2tzi14/S8TTPQCPA6I/AAAAAAAACwA/ZHZH-Bi8OmI/s400/ALOT2.png
1126) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (100) Server Problems? (Message 1731421)
Posted 3 Oct 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
This is the new "normal". I guess we just have to get used to it. Yo-Yo connections, the new SETI normal.

I would expect that if they are using any kind of traffic prioritization the SETI@home data traffic wouldn't be high on the list. Where previously the hurricane line was likely just trunked over a vlan. Which may not have been subject to the same kind of packet scrutiny that normally occurs.
1127) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (100) Server Problems? (Message 1730647)
Posted 1 Oct 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
This is a really hard problem to characterize, and thus it's hard to help campus solve, but it looks like there is a router (on campus and out of our control) acting funny. Or it may be an internal problem that is difficult to track down (as this weirdness is affecting random machines at random times in random ways).

We shall see.. Sorry for all the confusing lack of connectivity. :(

- Matt

Thanks for the info. That is pretty much how many network issues go. Hopefully it is solved sooner rather than later.
1128) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (100) Server Problems? (Message 1730393)
Posted 30 Sep 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
And it's getting worse. Now it fails every time. An hour or so ago it worked about every third attempt.

I blame the Pope.

Edit: And now the Replica DB went on a vacation too :-(

I'm not seeing any problems here, except one download failure (which is not that unusual inside our firewall/proxy). Ready-to-send buffer had taken a nosedive on the SSP earlier but seems to be recovering.

I don't have any pending transfers & there are no errors in my logs for today. Seems like it may be a DNS issue for some.
1129) Message boards : Number crunching : new computer (Message 1729616)
Posted 27 Sep 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The question is about running at "full bore", which I take as only using the laptop's own thermal management.
That really is a bit of string - if you are fortunate and the room is very cool, and the laptop has very good intrinsic cooling and thermal management it will last a lot longer than one that is in a very hot room and has very poor intrinsic cooling and thermal management.
Of course you can improve vastly the situation by using a PROPER external cooling pad - one which actually cools the incoming air to below ambient, or a utility like TThrotle.

Yeah the thermal management of the the notebook is really the only issue. My newest notebook, from 2011, can either run the GPU or the CPU at full. Both at once is to much in the summer & in cooler temp it is possible but it does make quite a racket. Recently I've been keeping it by my bed to watch movies mostly. So it hasn't been crunching.
My ancient notebook runs 24/7 only stopping when we have a super long AP outage. With its 1.5GHZ CPU overclocked to 2.37GHz the fan doesn't even run at full speed. 0.o
1130) Message boards : Number crunching : Not getting WU's on Intel GPU? (Message 1729614)
Posted 27 Sep 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
intel hd graphics does not show on my 4790. enabled in bios and dled and installed open cl 1.2. what did I miss?

So Windows didn't detect any new hardware when you enabled it? If it did which driver release did you try?
If the iGPU doesn't come it could be the MB. Some of them disable the iGPU when a PCI-e GPU is present.
1131) Message boards : Number crunching : Running out of ideas (Message 1729611)
Posted 27 Sep 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Does the GPU have a BIOS/UEFI switch on it? If your MB does have UEFI then the card would need to be set to BIOS to work.
1132) Message boards : Number crunching : Need a Little Help With MB CUDA Settings in Linux (Message 1729215)
Posted 26 Sep 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I looked at the explanation for that command on the BOINC wiki (https://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Client_configuration) and I want to make sure I understand its usage.

<no_priority_change>0|1</no_priority_change>
If 1, don't change priority of applications (run them at same priority as client).
NB: This option can, if activated, impact system responsiveness for the user. Default, all CPU science apps run at lowest (idle) priority Nice 15.


So if I set it to 1, it runs at a lower priority than if I set it to 0?

No. By default BOINC runs at Normal priority & the science apps run at a lower priority. Such as Low or Below Normal. Setting this to 1 will cause the science apps to run at the same priority as BOINC.
1133) Message boards : Number crunching : Anything relating to AstroPulse tasks (Message 1728881)
Posted 25 Sep 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Astropulse science database marvin, just went KAPOOF!!! or at least Disabled

Edit: And there went download server 2 vader KAPOOF!!! or at least Disabled

I have been blaming everything that happens on The Pope. As he is in the Philadelphia area for a visit & it is causing major havoc.

He's not in the Philadelphia area yet. He's still in New York, and will depart for Philadephia September 26, 2015 at 8:40 am.

http://www.popefrancisvisit.com/schedule-category/pope-francis-visit-new-york-schedule/

I know but the prep for his arrival has been effecting everyone for weeks & this week with the few million extra people in the area traffic has been worse than normal. Normally traffic is really awful.
So I figure all this craziness might be effecting the servers as well.
1134) Message boards : Number crunching : Anything relating to AstroPulse tasks (Message 1728877)
Posted 25 Sep 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Astropulse science database marvin, just went KAPOOF!!! or at least Disabled

Edit: And there went download server 2 vader KAPOOF!!! or at least Disabled

I have been blaming everything that happens on The Pope. As he is in the Philadelphia area for a visit & it is causing major havoc.
1135) Message boards : Number crunching : Boinc 7.6.9 and Windows 10 (Message 1728796)
Posted 25 Sep 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Agree with this but 2 month ago I have 1-3. Nothing changes. No additional program installed

You installed a whole new operating system. If that's the only thing changed, don't you think that's the first thing you should look at?

BOINC doesn't use the CPU, that's done by the project's science applications.
But BOINC does tell the science applications how much of the CPU to use. Are you sure all your preferences are still correct?

Sometimes I will find a machine where BOINC has 30-40 hours of CPU time & is using 150MB+ of memory, but I haven't seen any systems hangs from such behavior. I think that normally occurs for me when we have an unexpected outage & BOINC keeps making requests over & over.
I'll just restart BOINC or the system at that point.
1136) Message boards : Number crunching : best value GPU for seti? (Message 1728794)
Posted 25 Sep 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I own AMD graphics cards exclusively and have had no problem with the drivers.

Been watching that for gradual moves to heterogeneous applications, and it seems to be mostly 390x specific issues/complaints , in gaming too (or especially)

Perhaps the old GCN 1.1 GPU isn't handling the ramped up clock rates very well. I do find most of the manufactures also factory overclock all of their cards as well. With it being nearly impossible to find one running stock/spec clock rates.
I haven't really been looking at the higher end cards as I tend to not spend much more than ~200 on a GPU.
1137) Message boards : Number crunching : best value GPU for seti? (Message 1728611)
Posted 24 Sep 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
amd options?

Personally I'm looking at the R9 380.


i got a R9 390x and that card has been nothing but a royal pain in my ass on both win and linux

The 390x is really just a rebranded 290x.
1138) Message boards : Number crunching : Building an computer out of old parts (Message 1727891)
Posted 22 Sep 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
One thing to be aware of, is that older cards/systems tend to use more power. More modern devices have a higher output for less electricity. There is always a balance of cost of new equipment vs a higher electric bill. I higher electric bill is a lower up front cost, but continues as long as crunching continues. New equipment costs more up front, but is more cost effective and crunches more in the long run. Each situation is different.

Steve

In doing the hardware to power cost. I normally find that the power savings take much longer to "pay" for the new hardware then the time it would be used. At least for single machines. Upgrading a small fleet of old hardware could possibly save enough money to pay for itself quickly.
1139) Message boards : Number crunching : Redirect setiathome.berkeley.edu logins to https (Message 1727886)
Posted 22 Sep 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
For whatever reason, neither account logins nor this forum are redirected to HTTPS for me.

Fedora and Gentoo Linux, Firefox, Chrome, Chromium, mobile Firefox, and so forth.

I am logged in, and have full access to my Account pages and preferences, but the url for this thread and message shows as http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=78199#1727663 in both IE-8/Vista, IE-11/W7, and Safari on my iBook G4.

Then I suggest you delete your http:// bookmark and replace it with https:// bookmark. Once you enter https is stays https, but if you enter http, it stays http.

It probably depends on your browser. Chrome for Windows certainly makes it clear that it is rejecting HTTPS:



According to the developers, it's a problem with the CSS (cascading style sheets) used for laying out the pages: browsers don't like it if you use HTTP for some elements and HTTPS for others. We would have to spend a lot of somebody's time re-checking the source code for every page on this website before making the switch.

Odd. I would have thought they would use relative instead of fixed full paths in the css. Maybe I just do that in mine because it is less work. There might be extra overhead somewhere when not using full paths.

Edit: Also my version of Chrome seems to be somewhat OK with it.
http://i.imgur.com/EHX5Zvk.png
Note I don't normally use Chrome. I just have it installed to check things.
1140) Message boards : Number crunching : best value GPU for seti? (Message 1727882)
Posted 22 Sep 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
amd options?

Personally I'm looking at the R9 380.
1141) Message boards : Number crunching : Android Lollipop (Message 1727558)
Posted 21 Sep 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
And PIE compatible means that it runs on Lollipop?

Yes, as well as Android 4.1 onward.

Claggy

Unless Google decides to toss a wrench in the works again. Hopefully Marshmallow doesn't break anything.
1142) Message boards : Number crunching : My Computer Builds And Other Projects (Message 1726245)
Posted 16 Sep 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I do need to soon enough upgrade My computers router to Gigabit, since My ISP TWC is upgrading the Internet Service here to at about 300Mbps(MAXX), though My service will be limited to about 100/10Mbps, My SB6121 modem, cat6 cable and PC are all gigabit capable, so I'm looking at a Netgear WDNR4000 as a replacement router, since it is Gigabit compatible, My current router tops out at 100Mbps.


How about a WNR3500L?

That would do, if the foot can be detached, like on the WDNR4000, which used is about $31, though it's not an immediate purchase, possibly in April or May. Where My router is at, has a 7.5" height limit, so I lay My router on its side. There is a slight possibility of Me getting the router earlier, but I have to see what My finances are like around Jan 2016.

I upgraded all of my home internet gear as a crimbo present to myself. I had an old SB5100 which was nearly at its limit with my 25Mb service. So I went with nearly the same modem as yours I think. It's either the SB6121 or the SB6141 I don't. However I did go a bit overboard with the router/wireless. Replacing my old 100Mb RV042 with a Cisco RV325 & WAP371.
1143) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows 10 - Yea or Nay? (Message 1726235)
Posted 16 Sep 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
After reading through this thread, I think I'm going to set up my NetVista X with the PIII and 768MB of RAM. I LIKED Windows 2000 pretty well and I have all sorts of software (full versions of Office Professional and WordPerfect Office and a lot of image editing software and a full copy of Acrobat and...) Then I just won't get on the stupid internet with it.

And it was all pretty quick with that processor and that much RAM.

Or a P4 with XP, 3GB, and no internet connection!

Do you think they can update through the electric grid?

Or do I just load Linux?

I still have a Pentium III with XP running.
1144) Message boards : Number crunching : Need a consensus .. AMD 290X driver/ windows version (Message 1725291)
Posted 13 Sep 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I've had the best results with 14.4. & 14.9. 14.9 Has an issue where the CCC will crash sometimes, but how often do you actually open it for that to matter?
1145) Message boards : Number crunching : Welcome to the 16 year club (Message 1724791)
Posted 11 Sep 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I was hoping to hit 150 million by today for my 16th year, but it looks like that isn't going to happen. I guess I'll just have to shoot for 200 million by next year!
1146) Message boards : Number crunching : Difference between AP Cuda_opencl_100 and 7.10 (opencl_nvidia_100) for APs? (Message 1724772)
Posted 11 Sep 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thanks for the illumination gentlemen.

I was viewing/interpreting the chart and these listings in terms of potential horsepower per app

Mentioning, that I *do want to enable my iGD and "test" its performance -
- wishing I could use-try-test the stock apps *and the Lunatics versions; but fear that BOINC may get upset with me and hiccup my otherwise pleasant output/performance to date.

Is there a testbed that I'm not aware of yet? Maybe a Virtual environment or such?

I think my 7589235 is capable of such a mix

If you want to give your iGPU a test. Then be sure to watch your CPU times. Haswell & Ivy Bridge based CPU have been shown to slow down the CPU by ~50% when using the iGPU to crunch SETI@home tasks.
For more information see:
A journey: iGPU slowing CPU processing, iGPU tuning, & Loading APU to the limit: performance considerations - ongoing research

Here are the specific performance numbers for each iGPU.
i7-3770K HD Graphics 4000 @ 1.15GHz 294.4 GFLOPS
i7-4790K HD Graphics 4600 @ 1.25GHz 400.0 GFLOPS
1147) Message boards : Number crunching : Difference between AP Cuda_opencl_100 and 7.10 (opencl_nvidia_100) for APs? (Message 1724658)
Posted 11 Sep 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Well, I still have this burning question, about that and these:

I trimmed these from the Applications page -

7.10 (opencl_nvidia_100) 6,809 GigaFLOPS

7.10 (cuda_opencl_100) 276 GigaFLOPS

7.09 (opencl_intel_gpu_102) 757 GigaFLOPS

And my *question is: do these GigaFLOPS ratings have anything to do with actual runtimes performance per se - or are they just potentials?

Neither. The title of the column is "Average computing". It is the average amount of all work being done for that application/plan class. At the bottom of the page you will see Total average computing: 651,739 GigaFLOPS. Which tells us the project is running about 651 TeraFLOPS at the moment.
1148) Message boards : Number crunching : Running Out of Data (Message 1724591)
Posted 11 Sep 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The only other things they have running is a network connection (naturally).
Those 4 linux servers are test beds and will be replaced once I get all the kinks out and settings correct.

They are small servers - Headless with no GUI and running off of 192 MB of RAM and running in Hyper-V

Where do you see these run times? I'm still learning the smaller details here on the website.

You can see your tasks from Your Account or by going to your host list. From the host list select tasks for the machine you want to view & then either Valid or Validation pending to see tasks you have completed. Valid is preferable so that you know you are viewing tasks that completed correctly.
Once you are looking at your tasks for a host you can then select the task ID, far left column, to see the details. MB tasks will contain WU true angle range is :. Which lets us know the angle range of the task. A normal task will have a value near 0.42 & is what you want to look for as a base line. angle range much high we refer to as VHAR(Very High Angle Range), or shorties, & tasks with a low log angle range VLAR(Very Low Angle Range). VLAR tasks will also have vlar in the task name. 03mr11ab.1151.2112.438086664206.12.242.vlar_2 vs 03ap11ac.12434.22153.438086664203.12.97_1

If theses 32 servers are running in Hyper-V how many physical servers are there? I was estimating the run times based on my i5-4670K CPU @ 3.40GHz when running 4 CPU tasks at a time. So running 2 at a time @ 3.6GHz I would imagine that would make up for the slight loss from the VM layer & run about the same time or a bit faster.
1149) Message boards : Number crunching : Running Out of Data (Message 1724413)
Posted 11 Sep 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
In your BOINC Computing preferences. There is a setting to limit bandwidth usage.
Limit usage to --- MB every --- days
This setting is per host.

You machines will probably run ~1 hr for MB & ~4 hr for AP tasks. So that would be 48 MB tasks or 12 AP tasks per day.

If you use a higher number like 500K to estimate the total traffic for MB then that is about 24MB/day 720MB/mo for each host. For 32 hosts that looks more like 768MB/day 23GB/mo.

Again using a high number for AP of 9MB per task. The numbers for a single host would be 108MB/day 3.24GB/mo or for all 32 hosts 3.46GB/day 103.68GB/mo.
1150) Message boards : Number crunching : Why even do this? (Message 1723841)
Posted 9 Sep 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
why not add another credit line that gets reset every year so you can have yearly and all time credit

Maybe the long desired task count could be added as well. Which could also have yearly total added.
1151) Message boards : Number crunching : download to flash drive (Message 1723037)
Posted 7 Sep 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
If this is a retirement community, and he's installing on friends computers.

Then the possibility is that these are computers that family members donated to their relatives.

Much like I would do. However, my guess they didn't bother to edit the admin passwords figuring their loved ones wouldn't be installing any new onto the computers.

Just a guess.

You will need them to call the previous owner to get the password.

Or just use one of the dozen or so utilities out there to obtain the password from the system.
1152) Message boards : Number crunching : Job queue question. (Message 1722663)
Posted 5 Sep 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/User_manual
1153) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (100) Server Problems? (Message 1722205)
Posted 4 Sep 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Well this is strange, I have an AP download that is struggling at 0-5 KB download ... and then I got 3 more tasks that came in at 400-500 easily.

First task has been going for 11 minutes.

just got another task that zoomed right in.

Yes, as I posted in the AP thread some 35 minutes ago. AP's are back, much earlier than expected. That something should struggle in the fist hours after the AP outage, isn't exactly any surprise.

I wasn't sure if those data sets would generate any actual AP work, but I already have ~150 new AP across my machines.
1154) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows 10 - Yea or Nay? (Message 1721384)
Posted 2 Sep 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Not really Windows related, but similarly addicting. No really. Especially for you loving your Cortana.

Last night I watched this video showing the Google logo evolving over the years. In it there's a section about what you can do with "Ok Google".

Did you know you can talk to your phone to tell it to send a text to person X your contact list and tell what's in the text? Did you know you can write emails like that? Did you know you can set an alarm easily that way? Turn off your WIFI, search on the internet, search on your phone, use any app on your phone just by saying its name.

I'm shocked. Have had this smart phone for almost 2 years and didn't know it was that smart. With a sexy voice as well.

While in the video it works quite well in foreign languages, I found it's quite easily confused in Dutch. So am using mostly English for it. Addicting. Yes, really. :)

For me the novelty wore off after a day or two on my phone. Now I have shut that stuff off to save battery power given that it is actually faster for me to do all of the functions without speaking & having to try 5-10 times to correct what it thinks I said.
1155) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows 7 configuration issue that affects GPU crunching - help needed (Message 1720357)
Posted 30 Aug 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Well, some small progress:

I implemented seems all (but comprehensive AV scan) suggestions but nothing helped.

Next I changed UAC settings to "Never notify".
And issue disappeared (!). Now BOINC detects GPU and runs w/o crash on startup. FAR doesn't complain about config files, Chrome allows to download files and so on.

I think it's definitely demonstrates that smth wrong with user security part of OS, not with NTFS file system security.

Cause I would prefer to be able to use UAC now the question is: how to repair UAC ?

Ah yes. I always disable UAC. It is mostly worthless & annoying. Also there are settings for UAC that I disable in group policy. Because they are still in effect even though UAC is disabled.
1156) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows 7 configuration issue that affects GPU crunching - help needed (Message 1719706)
Posted 28 Aug 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Did you try "Take control" ?
You can change permission about drives and folders.

Is that the same as setting the ownership, which they have tried, or are you talking about a different function? I'm not familiar with "Take control". Unless maybe that is in one of the wizards?
1157) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (100) Server Problems? (Message 1719698)
Posted 28 Aug 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Anyone else notice slowed download speeds since the switch to the campus system? Maybe it's just the WOW event activity but it looks to be around 50% slower recently.

I haven't noticed anything, but most of my machines list their Average download rate from 1300 KB/sec to 1800 KB/sec.
I would have to lookup how BOINC calculates that averages to see if I could reset it. Then see if the average is much less.
1158) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows 7 configuration issue that affects GPU crunching - help needed (Message 1719609)
Posted 28 Aug 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
1) Yes, it looks like in that PNG picture.
2) If it would be only manifestation I would fine with it. Unfortunately, already installed apps really can't write in different drive C: folders... That's the real issue.
3)Will check with command line when be at that PC, thanks.

Even if I set attrib +r temp for my C:\temp folder I can still create new folders & add files. So issue seems to be more related to security rather than attribute. If you create a new folder on C: does it have the same issue?
1159) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows 7 configuration issue that affects GPU crunching - help needed (Message 1719606)
Posted 28 Aug 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
You can try "NTFS Access" by Zeus Software (Freeware, 26 KB)
http://www.zeus-software.com/downloads/ntfsaccess

Do you by chance have installed any "security package" (Antivirus) that may do this lock-of-permissions?


Thanks, but didn't help. I used this app on root of drive C:. It said all done, but then again, for example, BOINCdata dir was with read-only box marked.
It added sequirity record with my user name and "Full access" option, but on properties tab still "read only".... It's very strange but so.
And as I said before, I can clear this box (so user have rights to do so), also it asks to clear read-only on inner folders too, and it starts to clear... but when I open properties tab again - same checked box as before.
So, need to understand what area in Windows configuration hierarchy could override this.

And no, no any 3rd party AV soft there.

When you mentioned you were seeing read-only permission before I thought you meant in the security section.
If you are seeing the general read-only box as partially checked. Like this: http://i.imgur.com/nkI25ao.png. That is normal. You can see a folders true attributes from the command line. http://i.imgur.com/7gZsHzZ.png
1160) Message boards : Number crunching : Futher restrictions on when BOINC runs tasks... (Message 1719587)
Posted 28 Aug 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
For some reason they don't distribute boinccmd with the GUI version of BOINC for the Mac. So you can download the (Unix command-line version) for your version of BOINC, extract boinccmd, & then place it in the /Library/Application Support/BOINC Data/ folder.
Depending on your system you may also need to fix the file permissions. Permissions can be fixed by running the BOINC installer again or with the use of Mac_SA_Secure.sh located in the BOINC command-line download package.
1161) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows 7 configuration issue that affects GPU crunching - help needed (Message 1719180)
Posted 27 Aug 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
There is a commandline tool for setting file & folder permissions you could try called icacls.
I use it on one of our servers to set permissions for newly created folders with specific names that needs special rights that are not inheritable.

I did once try to use it to set Everyone to have Full Access, like in XP, & Windows 7 was not very happy with my attempts to do so.


Yes, I used that tool for exporting sequirity settings from another host and importing into wounded one - but it did not help.

I think at this point I would save this OS to a disk image & try a new install. If the new install will not activate then restore OS & continue to bang head on desk.
1162) Message boards : Number crunching : Futher restrictions on when BOINC runs tasks... (Message 1719176)
Posted 27 Aug 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The BOINC command too will allow you to control BOINC from a commandline, or via scripts. If there is no OS event that would signify when the battery is fully charged. Perhaps a script to monitor the battery level could be used. Then it could run the correct command to suspend or resume BOINC.
1163) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows 7 configuration issue that affects GPU crunching - help needed (Message 1719131)
Posted 27 Aug 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
There is a commandline tool for setting file & folder permissions you could try called icacls.
I use it on one of our servers to set permissions for newly created folders with specific names that needs special rights that are not inheritable.

I did once try to use it to set Everyone to have Full Access, like in XP, & Windows 7 was not very happy with my attempts to do so.
1164) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows 7 configuration issue that affects GPU crunching - help needed (Message 1719053)
Posted 27 Aug 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
IIRC its only possible to convert Fat32 to NTFS but not vice versa.

There are 3rd part tools to convert NTFS partitions to FAT. Normally that is done for data rather than boot partitions. Like the one they listed.

Windows 7 may not like booting to a FAT32 partition that is larger than 32GB. If possible shrinking the partition could be a work around.
1165) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows 10 - Yea or Nay? (Message 1719048)
Posted 27 Aug 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
That`s why i never do automatic updates.

Data collection are coming on Win 7 and 8 too.

http://winaero.com/blog/telemetry-and-data-collection-are-coming-to-windows-7-and-windows-8-too/

And to that I say. No thank you.
http://i.imgur.com/TH5OjMS.png
1166) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (100) Server Problems? (Message 1719040)
Posted 27 Aug 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
For those who don't bother to read Matt's post in Tech News on 21 August:

Message 1716662 - Posted: 21 Aug 2015, 22:47:12 UTC

Those panicking about a coming storm due to lack of data... The well is pretty dry but Jeff and I just uncovered a stash of tapes from 2011 that require some re-analysis, so that's why you'll see a bunch showing up in splitter queue over the weekend (hopefully before the the results-to-send queue drops to zero).

In the meantime, we are still recording data at AO (not fast enough to keep our crunchers supplied), but.... this situation has really pushed us to devote more resources to finally finishing the GBT splitter, which will avail to us another reserve supply of data in case we hit another dry spell.

The network switch on Tuesday seems to have gone fairly well. We are now sending all our bits over the campus net just like the very old days .

- Matt


So, the tapes being split just now have already been split once, but are being culled for more usable data. More effort is being put into the splitter for the GBT data (coo, what a surprise - its "tapes" are not the same format as those from AO...) Having two data sources should really improve the situation somewhat.

Next challenge. We must burn through data faster than two sources can provide!
1167) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (100) Server Problems? (Message 1717791)
Posted 24 Aug 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
and if the WU results exist already, they're not done all over again).

Don't they keep track? Or are they just trowing in any tape that happens to be sitting around?

It needed to be split again for MB. While it's there, the AP splitters take a peek, just to be on the safe side. There was one over the weekend which generated AP tasks from about the first six channels, but not the rest. I'm assuming there was an error the first time round which meant some got missed - so the re-check was worth while.


And I assume that AP peek is going on now to 17ja11ac...

It's either peek, or poke, nobody really knows :-)

Hopefully it isn't puke.
1168) Message boards : Technical News : More Data (Aug 21 2015) (Message 1717790)
Posted 24 Aug 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Good news on the switchover. Maybe we will get a fancy new bandwidth graph sometime this quarter as well.

When we run low on data to split & send out I just think of this little guy.
1169) Message boards : Number crunching : apps (Message 1717465)
Posted 23 Aug 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
ok thanks but it's all a little greek to me. so i guess that meens no stock mb app for linux nvidia . thanks for the info Richard . i've only just started on linux so learning at over 60 can be slow thanks again have a good one!

It seems you have it figured out now. However here is the applications list with some descriptions for the MB apps & AP apps if you find it helpful.
1170) Message boards : Number crunching : 12 V overcharge warning message. (Message 1716968)
Posted 22 Aug 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
A problem here a short while ago.

Got this message a short while ago from AI Suite II, which is the monitoring software for the ASUS motherboard, including temperature.

Used to the warning messages about the temperature, this time I rather got a warning message about a 0.576 V overcharge on the 12 V on the motherboard.

For now I suspended the genefer_524288 CUDA task at 95.872 % completed.

Edit: Checking in with the monitoring software, it now is back at 11.904 V.

Should I pay more attention to this problem?

Any advice would be appreciated.

Thanks!

The ATX specification states the tolerance for the 12v line is +/- 5%. So anything from 11.40v to 12.60v is within spec. In practice it seems like many PSU manufactures run closer to 1-2% on the 12v line.
How much of that variance your GPU can handle is a different question. I think it was the 550ti GPUs we found had a very low tolerance to 12v fluctuation.

Also consider that some monitoring software can go off sometimes. HWMonitor from the people that make CPUz sometimes tells me that my CPU fan is running 750,000 RPM.
1171) Message boards : Number crunching : Cricket Graphs? (Message 1716588)
Posted 21 Aug 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Yes, they mentioned the attempt, but I wasn't sure if it was actually successful.

Tracert isn't going anywhere near HE @ Palo Alto any more. Instead, we're taking the 'cenic' route direct to Berkeley.

I haven't seen HE in my trace routes since the hardware change at the colo.
I have been getting something like this since spring.
13 73 ms 74 ms 74 ms dc-oak-agg4--svl-agg4-100ge.cenic.net [137.164.46.144]
14 74 ms 73 ms 74 ms dc-oak-agg4--svl-agg4-100ge.cenic.net [137.164.46.144]
15 75 ms 74 ms 74 ms ucb--oak-agg4-10g.cenic.net [137.164.50.31]
16 75 ms 74 ms 75 ms et3-48.inr-311-ewdc.berkeley.edu [128.32.0.101]

Depends on which IP you traced. The web server was always on campus lines, the upload/download servers were not. They are now on campus.

Last I checked the addresses are setiboincdata.ssl.berkeley.edu for upload & boinc2.ssl.berkeley.edu for download. I did save the trace as boinc2.ssl.berkeley.edu.txt when we were trying to figure out where the new location of the bandwidth graphs might turn up. However I did truncate the output so it starts at the 5th line. So there is a chance I mislabeled it.
1172) Message boards : Number crunching : Cricket Graphs? (Message 1716484)
Posted 21 Aug 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Yes, they mentioned the attempt, but I wasn't sure if it was actually successful.

Tracert isn't going anywhere near HE @ Palo Alto any more. Instead, we're taking the 'cenic' route direct to Berkeley.

I haven't seen HE in my trace routes since the hardware change at the colo.
I have been getting something like this since spring.
13 73 ms 74 ms 74 ms dc-oak-agg4--svl-agg4-100ge.cenic.net [137.164.46.144]
14 74 ms 73 ms 74 ms dc-oak-agg4--svl-agg4-100ge.cenic.net [137.164.46.144]
15 75 ms 74 ms 74 ms ucb--oak-agg4-10g.cenic.net [137.164.50.31]
16 75 ms 74 ms 75 ms et3-48.inr-311-ewdc.berkeley.edu [128.32.0.101]
1173) Message boards : Number crunching : Cricket Graphs? (Message 1716454)
Posted 21 Aug 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Well, now that we have had the great router reshuffle, is there any chance of getting to see our traffic on the crickets, or any other service?

I was wondering that same thing. One thing that I was pretty sure I interpreted correctly is.. we're not using Hurricane Electronics anymore, right? We're using the campus' ISP now?

Could be. I believe there was mention they had a plan to switch at some point in order to save money. I imagine if it has been switched we may not know until we get a "what has been happening" update post.

Seems some missed what Matt said.

Some big news is that campus is, for the first time in more than a decade, allowing SETI@home traffic back on the campus network infrastructure, thus obviating our need to pay for our own ISP. We are attempting this switchover tomorrow morning. Thus there will be more chaos and outages and DNS cache issues but this has been in the works for literal years so we're not stopping now. I apologize if this seems sudden but we weren't sure if this was actually going to happen until this past weekend.


So yes SETI@home is now on the Campus network, that was what the outage was for.

Yes, they mentioned the attempt, but I wasn't sure if it was actually successful.
1174) Message boards : Number crunching : Dropped from Top 5% to 25% overnight. (Message 1716435)
Posted 21 Aug 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Looking at one of the charts from a stat site. Your RAC looks have been falling for a while now. Probably as we ran out of AP work again & are only doing MB work right now.

Perhaps some GPU application tuning could help you increase your output.
1175) Message boards : Number crunching : Cricket Graphs? (Message 1716433)
Posted 21 Aug 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Well, now that we have had the great router reshuffle, is there any chance of getting to see our traffic on the crickets, or any other service?

I was wondering that same thing. One thing that I was pretty sure I interpreted correctly is.. we're not using Hurricane Electronics anymore, right? We're using the campus' ISP now?

Could be. I believe there was mention they had a plan to switch at some point in order to save money. I imagine if it has been switched we may not know until we get a "what has been happening" update post.
1176) Message boards : Number crunching : 42,052 update operations? (Message 1716427)
Posted 21 Aug 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
My Win 7 Ultimate machine was running very sluggish and wasn't responding so I did a restart. Not much different. So I did a complete shut down, at that point it said "installing 1-25 updates, don't switch off". Left it to it for 1/2 hour and brought it back up. Did the usual BIOS messages then said "Update operations xx of 42,052. Loads of scrolling going on, replacing DLL's etc. Complete system reboot off it's own bat.

We now have a stable machine where everything is working properly, but what the hell was that all about??? Never ever seen that before :-(

Given there are currently only a total of 770 possible updates for Windows I can only guess that another operation may have been occurring. Perhaps a disk check or repair of system files.
1177) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows 10 - Yea or Nay? (Message 1715886)
Posted 20 Aug 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I just picked up 2 Win 7 64 Pro off Amazon Prime, as an insurance policy. I am intending to retro grade my 2 daily drivers back from 8.1.


H.P. is still offering Win 7 Pro 64 bit with nvidea graphics in the $550 to #650 range with bells/whistles added.

I'm not sure if I would want my computer to have any bells or whistles.
Despite Windows 7 being "end of life" many computer manufactures are still offering it.


if you think that supported till 2020 is end of life lol

"End of life" is typically when sale have stopped. While "end of support" are the dates that Microsoft lists in its product life cycle.
1178) Message boards : Number crunching : Welcome to the 16 year club (Message 1715883)
Posted 20 Aug 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Damn, forgot that yesterday was my 16th Seti@Home anniversary...

I don't really worry about the specific day anymore & think of it more as "this year is my X year running SETI@home".
1179) Message boards : Number crunching : Not getting WU's on Intel GPU? (Message 1715880)
Posted 20 Aug 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Ok thats a shame, my R9 Fury seems to be getting work fine which made me think it might be some other issue on the other box.

Your 5930K machine also seems to be requesting work much more often. While your 4590T looks to be asking about once a day.
1180) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows 10 - Yea or Nay? (Message 1715454)
Posted 19 Aug 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I just picked up 2 Win 7 64 Pro off Amazon Prime, as an insurance policy. I am intending to retro grade my 2 daily drivers back from 8.1.


H.P. is still offering Win 7 Pro 64 bit with nvidea graphics in the $550 to #650 range with bells/whistles added.

I'm not sure if I would want my computer to have any bells or whistles.
Despite Windows 7 being "end of life" many computer manufactures are still offering it.
1181) Message boards : Number crunching : Not getting WU's on Intel GPU? (Message 1715448)
Posted 19 Aug 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Posted over at the Einstien forums as I am having the same issue there and they said it was because my driver was to new, trying a older one now.

As far as I know SETI@home only checks to make sure the iGPU has an OpenCL 1.2 capable driver & your machine is displaying INTEL Intel(R) HD Graphics 4600 (1400MB) OpenCL: 1.2. If the latest driver is actually any good is a different question. Often new GPU drivers can cause the GPU apps to not work correctly. So it it better to have a "known good" driver rather than the latest.

As far as not getting work. You can look in the event log to see what kind of response you are getting from the server when you request work. However at the moment it has been over 12 hours since that machine has contacted the servers to request any work.
There were some recent network and server maintenance issues. So you may need to flush the DNS cache on that system for it to correctly find the server.
1182) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows 10 - Yea or Nay? (Message 1714862)
Posted 18 Aug 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
This is the link for the Microsoft tool.

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3073930

And you can go to the Control Panel/System/Advanced Settings/Hardware, and choose not to install drivers.

I am not sure if it works yet, but it is what Microsoft recommends.

Steve

That did not work in the last Preview version, but who knows. Maybe they actually fixed it.
1183) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (99) Server Problems? (Message 1714664)
Posted 17 Aug 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I put an irc server up to chat when seti is down

76.101.50.133/6667

cmon in and chat

you will need a irc client like mirc or hexchat to connect

channel is #setidown

Always good to have another source besides the The Seti is Down Cafe on the BOINC fora.
1184) Message boards : Number crunching : Intel_GPU & app_config (Message 1714417)
Posted 17 Aug 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
You can get the plan class names from the list of Applications

For an iGPU running in Windows the configuration would look something like this.
<app_config>
	<app_version>
		<app_name>astropulse_v7</app_name>
		<plan_class>opencl_intel_gpu_102</plan_class>
		<ngpus>1.0</ngpus>
		<avg_ncpus>0.1</avg_ncpus>
	</app_version>
	<app_version>
		<app_name>setiathome_v7</app_name>
		<plan_class>opencl_intel_gpu_sah</plan_class>
		<ngpus>1.0</ngpus>
		<avg_ncpus>0.1</avg_ncpus>
	</app_version>
</app_config>
1185) Message boards : Number crunching : PC Upgrading. (Message 1712347)
Posted 13 Aug 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I think getting DDR4 for only £50 seems like a good deal. I haven't heard anything that would shy me away from Skylake yet.
1186) Message boards : Number crunching : crossfire Gpu support (Message 1712338)
Posted 13 Aug 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
You may actually need to disable crossfire in the driver when running SETI@home. The last time I tested running with crossfire enabled I ended up with trashed work. However newer drivers may resolve the issue.
1187) Message boards : Number crunching : Will SETI ever support the BOINC cache settings? (Message 1711881)
Posted 12 Aug 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
That was a generalization; You need massive data processing to do anything with radio telescopes, whether you're watching a sun explode and trying to model it from the data or looking for ET in the same RF noise. Nobody ever sees the computational layer until it suddenly becomes unavailable.

I imagine most of those kinds of people factor in however many hours they needs on a super computer to crunch their data.
1188) Message boards : Number crunching : Missing Results? (Message 1711760)
Posted 12 Aug 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
No such luck. Task 4310560648 is still in the database, but the associated WU 1865970821 was purged after 24 hours as usual.

So the pile of un-purged results is going to get worse.

Indeed every task from 4294967296 to 4294967250 is still present in the system with its associated workunit having been purged. While tasks from 4294967295 to 4294967250 & earlier have been purged.

The newest task I have is 4312462714. So that gives us at least 17,495,418 tasks that will be orphaned. So the current total of 12,714,491 Results waiting for deletion doesn't even account for all of the new work generated.
1189) Message boards : Number crunching : Missing Results? (Message 1711698)
Posted 12 Aug 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Don't forget that any result that has been validated will vanish from your list after 24 hours. So it is possible that you have returned results where you wingman was "waiting" for you, in which case validation would be "instant, and then 24 hours later they don't show...

That's certainly the case for Rasputin, because he's currently working on tasks issued om 31 July 2015, before we reached task 2^32. It's even possible that in their efforts to clean up the database last night, the crew ran an extra DB purge which removed validated tasks earlier than the normal 24 hour grace period.

Fir the rest of us, working on tasks issued after Task 2^32 (2 Aug 2015, 5:44:59 UTC), the normal 'disappears 24 hours after validation' rule doesn't currently apply.

I have several, like this wu, that were issues & completed just before maintenance started. So I'm not sure if they ran an early purge.
Since the wu will be purged soon. Here are the timestamps of the two results.
Sent: 11 Aug 2015, 10:41:43 UTC, Reported: 11 Aug 2015, 14:41:22 UTC
Sent: 11 Aug 2015, 10:41:46 UTC, Reported: 11 Aug 2015, 12:18:40 UTC
Perhaps that one didn't make it through the validator stage before maintenance started, but I have dozens that were reported & validated prior to maintenance. The oldest wu I can see with both results now goes back to 11 Aug 2015, 13:13:01 UTC. As the rest have started the delete/purge process.
1190) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows 10 - Yea or Nay? (Message 1711047)
Posted 10 Aug 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Not to talk about the automatic device encryption where the encryption key, is held hostage at the MS spyware department.


This is not true. You are not required to store your encryption key in the cloud on your Microsoft account. You still have the option to store your encryption key on a USB stick as you've always been able to do.


On Windows 10 Home, which will be the version most people will use, "The BitLocker recovery key for your device is automatically backed up online in your Microsoft OneDrive account."

On Pro version yes, there are other options, but the average user will not install Pro.

The average user will not have a clue how to change the default settings anyhow. Screeeweed...


Well yes, the default is to save to your Microsoft account.. but you speak it as if users are unable to learn any other way. I agree that most probably won't, but the option is there and any tech friend can show them. My point is, there are options.


The best option: Stay with your previous version. Microsoft is playing a dirty (on the verge of criminal) game, with this "free upgrade"

The EU commission will fine MS, billions of dollars this time, unless they remove all the spyware from W10, sold or given away for "free", within the European Union.

Windows 10, the bait-and-switch OS :-)
And it's getting even better:

'Free' Windows 10 Now Looks A Terrible Deal


"...The news comes from ComputerWorld which attained Microsoft internal slides that strongly suggest many Windows 10 owners will have to start paying to receive updates within two years. The key lines ComputerWorld discovered are:

“Revenue allocated is deferred and recognized on a straight-line basis over the estimated period the software upgrades are expected to be provided by estimated device life…. [The estimated device life] can range from two to four years."

"....Promising ‘Free Windows 10′ then delivering ’Freemium-Windows-10-Get-Your-Credit-Cards-Out-In-Two-Years’ would be a disaster and right now Microsoft’s ongoing silence about how everything works feels ever more suspicious."

Well it probably doesn't count spyware when they are saying "we are going to collect everything about you" in the license agreement that the user accepts.
1191) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows 10 - Yea or Nay? (Message 1710986)
Posted 10 Aug 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Luckily I have most of the privacy 'options' turned off and I do not have a OneDrive account.

If you have a Microsoft account (e.g. a Hotmail, Outlook or (Windows)Live login), you have a OneDrive account.

It's like Google Drive that I never use.
1192) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (99) Server Problems? (Message 1710973)
Posted 10 Aug 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Just a question with no dis-respect intended, when is Yuri's funding going to start or is that strictly for purchasing observing time?

Seems to me a few thousand dollars of that enormous endowment would be well spent upgrading equipment and software for more efficient analysis and distribution of the data.

Again, just a question.

I would imagine that it would take several months to plan what money needs to go where & then it maybe slated for a 2016 or 2017 budget for SETI@home.
1193) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (99) Server Problems? (Message 1710925)
Posted 10 Aug 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Perhaps a fundraiser for a small VM machine they would move some light weight services to. Then when a box dies it doesn't require a lot of work to get things going. Just restart the VM.

A larger VM setup could also be helpful for those times when they get an OS kernel panic & a machine locks up. With a VM server monitoring things it would reboot a locked up machine.
1194) Message boards : Number crunching : extremely slow machine (Message 1710912)
Posted 10 Aug 2015 by Profile HAL9000
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if i install windows on it i doubt i can use all the processor cores in the machine


I have a dual CPU Z800 MB that ran SETI under Win 7 with dual quad core CPUs, and with HT turned on, it happily ran 16 threads. I am sure it will work OK with dual hex core with HT turned on (24 threads). After all, HP sells them in the dual hex configuration running Windows...


well these are real 24 cores no hyperthreading 4x6 i think the real core limit on win 7 is 8 per core and a 2 socket limit


Windows licensing is by socket only. The number of cores per CPU is not a factor. Windows 7, any version, is limited to 2 CPU sockets. Any Standard edition of Windows Server allows up to 4 CPU sockets.
The only core limits are by platform for Windows. A 32-bit OS only supports up to 32 cores cores per CPU & a 64-bit OS supports up to 256 cores per socket.
1195) Message boards : Number crunching : Cricket Graphs? (Message 1710899)
Posted 10 Aug 2015 by Profile HAL9000
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Data gets collected from the equipment via SNMP broadcast packets. Therefore, on the equipment itself, SNMP broadcasting not only consumes a tiny amount of network traffic by itself, but also some CPU overhead from having to keep track of things, and then put it into SNMP packets. Depending on the equipment itself, it may be configurable for only specific metrics on specific ports, or it's just an "all or nothing" kind of deal.

Since the equipment in question does not belong to S@H at all, they have no control over it, and the privilege of using it comes with the price of renting rack space.

I, too, miss the graphs, not so much because it allows for us to see when there might be a problem, but because I'm just nerdy and I like seeing metrics for things. It's like my older Linksys desktop switches that have three LEDs for every port (connected/activity, 100mbit, full duplex/collision).. I like those over the newer models that just have one LED for every port. I like having more metrics and statistics available to me.

The fact that the campus was gracious enough to have the graphs available to the general public was very generous of them and completely not required of them to do in the first place, but I, too, miss having it for our one port out of many.

I think the graphs are actually to provide information to their data center customers.

I suspect we may now be going through a router carrying traffic they might not wish the public at large to be able to monitor and know all the internal subnets. Remember we are now in the data center so much of the data center traffic may be on that router. Of course it is also possible the new router is not compatible with the software for the crickets.

Requests for it must come from Seti and Matt indicated there had been at least one contact on that point.

The router that SETI@home traffic is going through is already known to anyone that performs a route trace. So I wouldn't suspect that as being a security issue. The management of the network hardware shouldn't be accessible to any public networks anyway.
Matt has said they have their own internal software they are using to monitor things on their end. I imagine they are collecting the information from the servers via OS SNMP information.
Matt also inquired to the campus IST about the graphs & they stated they were evaluating options or something to that effect. Given that was at the end of the school year & a new semester starting soon. They may have a plan to implement a new service soon. Which may, or may not, be accessible to the whole of the internet.
1196) Message boards : Number crunching : Cricket Graphs? (Message 1710862)
Posted 10 Aug 2015 by Profile HAL9000
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Data gets collected from the equipment via SNMP broadcast packets. Therefore, on the equipment itself, SNMP broadcasting not only consumes a tiny amount of network traffic by itself, but also some CPU overhead from having to keep track of things, and then put it into SNMP packets. Depending on the equipment itself, it may be configurable for only specific metrics on specific ports, or it's just an "all or nothing" kind of deal.

Since the equipment in question does not belong to S@H at all, they have no control over it, and the privilege of using it comes with the price of renting rack space.

I, too, miss the graphs, not so much because it allows for us to see when there might be a problem, but because I'm just nerdy and I like seeing metrics for things. It's like my older Linksys desktop switches that have three LEDs for every port (connected/activity, 100mbit, full duplex/collision).. I like those over the newer models that just have one LED for every port. I like having more metrics and statistics available to me.

The fact that the campus was gracious enough to have the graphs available to the general public was very generous of them and completely not required of them to do in the first place, but I, too, miss having it for our one port out of many.

I think the graphs are actually to provide information to their data center customers.
1197) Message boards : Number crunching : extremely slow machine (Message 1710858)
Posted 10 Aug 2015 by Profile HAL9000
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I also have a 24 core xeon machine. Comparing your APR of 9.78 GFLOPS to my hosts APR of 11.76 GFLOPS does seem that far off when you compare the CPU specs.
1198) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows 10 - Yea or Nay? (Message 1709703)
Posted 7 Aug 2015 by Profile HAL9000
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I might also add....
Depending on how you pay for your internet bandwidth, Windows Skynet edition will also be using YOUR money to pay for their transfer of YOUR data to their servers so they can sell it to make more money for themselves.......

Just sayin'...

tullio mentioned the workaround for that previously.

One neat feature of Windows 10, I think the only one I have found so far, is that it does track the internet usage of apps for you. I can see BOINC has used ~1.9GB & what's this... why had the "photos" app used 150MB? It's a work machine in my lab with no photos on it, using a local account, & I haven't touched it in a few days. So that's annoying.
1199) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows 10 - Yea or Nay? (Message 1708998)
Posted 5 Aug 2015 by Profile HAL9000
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You should also have added this little footnote

At least with XP, Vista & Win 7, IE worked out of the box...

...MS Edge?

Probably bordering on the Edge of Reality.

What do you mean Edge doesn't work out of the box?
http://i.imgur.com/o3mvtxI.png

Ah but 100% out of the box requires all those "privacy" matters turned on, UAC will protect you :-)

It looks like 90% of the inbox apps stop working once you disable UAC. Our IS department configures the Windows 7 desktop machines to use with UAC disabled. Which I have been doing in our test lab before the company switched from XP to 7.
So I foresee this being a problem. Not that I know of any IT departments that plan to actually switch to Windows 10. Actually most of them will probably remove most of that crapware if they ever do. There is no reason I would ever need things like the Xbox software on my work PC.
1200) Message boards : Number crunching : SETI/BOINC Milestones [ v2.0 ] - XXIX (Message 1708976)
Posted 5 Aug 2015 by Profile HAL9000
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Those are just your first 5 & 10 million guys. Your next will probably come even faster!
1201) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows 10 - Yea or Nay? (Message 1708931)
Posted 5 Aug 2015 by Profile HAL9000
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You should also have added this little footnote

At least with XP, Vista & Win 7, IE worked out of the box...

...MS Edge?

Probably bordering on the Edge of Reality.

What do you mean Edge doesn't work out of the box?
http://i.imgur.com/o3mvtxI.png
1202) Message boards : Number crunching : 560Ti offer (Message 1708825)
Posted 5 Aug 2015 by Profile HAL9000
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Many thanks Tbar I will have a look at all that info and get back :-)

I am currently running Cat 12.6 win 7-64 on that rig. Is 14.12 Open cl compatible?

Yes, OpenCL is supported in all newer drivers excluding XP. If you are still using XP then Cat 12.1/12.3, or whatever version the legacy drives are up to these days, is your last stop.
1203) Message boards : Number crunching : Boinc Latest installer (Message 1708199)
Posted 3 Aug 2015 by Profile HAL9000
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Or since the site is back up now. http://boinc.berkeley.edu/download_all.php


awwww well now we have em anyways in case it goes down
maybe make a sticky out of it for reference

Personally I have versions archived back to I think 6.6.something. I used to download for all OS/platforms, but recently I have only bothered with the Win 32-bit & 64-bit. The downloads do go all the way back to 5.4.0 on http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl//?C=M;O=D.
1204) Message boards : Number crunching : Boinc Latest installer (Message 1708184)
Posted 3 Aug 2015 by Profile HAL9000
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Or since the site is back up now. http://boinc.berkeley.edu/download_all.php
1205) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows 10 - Yea or Nay? (Message 1708182)
Posted 3 Aug 2015 by Profile HAL9000
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http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/privacystatement/default.aspx

Your privacy is important to us.
Yes, because of the various different ways in which they can abuse it.

The data we collect depends on the services and features you use, and includes the following.

Name and contact data. We collect your first and last name, email address, postal address, phone number, and other similar contact data.

Credentials. We collect passwords, password hints, and similar security information used for authentication and account access.

Demographic data. We collect data about you such as your age, gender, country and preferred language.

Interests and favorites
. We collect data about your interests and favorites, such as the teams you follow in a sports app, the stocks you track in a finance app, or the favorite cities you add to a weather app. In addition to those you explicitly provide, your interests and favorites may also be inferred or derived from other data we collect.

Payment data. We collect data necessary to process your payment if you make purchases, such as your payment instrument number (such as a credit card number), and the security code associated with your payment instrument.

Usage data. We collect data about how you interact with our services. This includes data, such as the features you use, the items you purchase, the web pages you visit, and the search terms you enter. This also includes data about your device, including IP address, device identifiers, regional and language settings, and data about the network, operating system, browser or other software you use to connect to the services. And it also includes data about the performance of the services and any problems you experience with them.

Contacts and relationships. We collect data about your contacts and relationships if you use a Microsoft service to manage contacts, or to communicate or interact with other people or organizations.

Location data. We collect data about your location, which can be either precise or imprecise. Precise location data can be Global Position System (GPS) data, as well as data identifying nearby cell towers and Wi-Fi hotspots, we collect when you enable location-based services or features. Imprecise location data includes, for example, a location derived from your IP address or data that indicates where you are located with less precision, such as at a city or postal code level.

Content. We collect content of your files and communications when necessary to provide you with the services you use. This includes: the content of your documents, photos, music or video you upload to a Microsoft service such as OneDrive. It also includes the content of your communications sent or received using Microsoft services, such as the:

* subject line and body of an email,
* text or other content of an instant message,
* audio and video recording of a video message, and
* audio recording and transcript of a voice message you receive or a text message you dictate.

Additionally, when you contact us, such as for customer support, phone conversations or chat sessions with our representatives may be monitored and recorded. If you enter our retail stores, your image may be captured by our security cameras.

You have choices about the data we collect. When you are asked to provide personal data, you may decline. But if you choose not to provide data that is necessary to provide a service, you may not be able to use some features or services.


But at least all would-be terrorists will think twice about putting Windows 10 on their devices, as it's one sure-fire way of getting an uninvited bomb in your neck. I liked that one in the image about Microsoft sending data about your voice-input back to HQ, because using it this way the NSA doesn't really need a back-door for your OS/device, or break into nearby communication centers anymore. Device data, who you call, where from, what time, for how long, how many times a day/week, and who knows, what you're actually saying? All sent to MS, because you acknowledged -amongst others- the above Privacy Statement.

Yeah, no, WindOhNoze 10 isn't coming on any of my systems. Not until I find a proxy I can put between it and the internet, or in other ways disable the communications it still seems to find necessary to have with home.

I think for most of then you would have to sign in with a Live ID account. Using a local machine account much of that information isn't even present on the system.
1206) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows 10 - Yea or Nay? (Message 1708181)
Posted 3 Aug 2015 by Profile HAL9000
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10 is sounding more and more like Skynet.

No no Skynet is a machine that is run by the Air Forces weather department in Omaha, NE. At least that is the story I got from my friend that was in the Air Force & set up the system.

I was of course referring to the 'Skynet' in Terminator Genisys and the manner in which it is determined to interconnect everything, and in doing so, have it all under it's control.

10 seems bent on acting in such a manner. At least folks are reporting opt-outs that should allow those that are in the know to disable at least most of this nefarious behavior.

For those who are not so informed, welcome to Skynet.

I know. He named the system that thinking of the Terminator movies.
1207) Message boards : Number crunching : R9 290s with GPU load issues (Message 1708179)
Posted 3 Aug 2015 by Profile HAL9000
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i am trying to get the drivers installed so i can use the streaming procesors in a HD 4290 and for the life of me i cannot get the drivers installed in win 10 and it keeps saying no usable gpu found but it is there boinc recohnizes is

Aside from the possible Windows 10 incompatibility, I wouldn't blame the drivers. I would guess that old chipset graphics like HD 4290 simply doesn't support OpenCL, which is what BOINC would be looking for. OpenCL on discrete HD 4000 GPUs was only at a beta level and I know from past experience that it wasn't great at working with BOINC. It's possible that you could get some CAL driver support recognised in BOINC, but that really isn't very useful in S@h.

Not all Radeon HD 4000 series GPUs even had beta level OpenCL support. However I've had no issues with my older HD 3450's & Windows 10 using the same ancient Cat 12 driver I use in Windows 7. They are happy to run projects that support CAL just fine.


Well The video card states that it supports OpenCL 1.0
I'm reluctant to try it again since the last attempt resulted in 160+ aborts

I would just use it on projects that support CAL. Like Moo! or Collatz.


I scrapped the ati idea and ordered a handfull of 960's to put in a couple machines without gpu gonna be nice i hope

Well they will do 100% more GPU work then they are going now!
1208) Message boards : Number crunching : I seem to have found a Windows 10 / BIONC and/or S@H problem (Message 1708120)
Posted 3 Aug 2015 by Profile HAL9000
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i can honestly say i have no issue with the intel igpu driver it works flawless on my i7 nuc and the i5 nuc

My little Celeron J1900 box (£130 at eBuyer) runs as a Win10 test-bed. AFAIK it's up to date with everything Microsoft throws at it. It frequently hangs on GPU jobs, and I have to abort them. Pity, because when they do run to completion they have about 60% of the performance of one of the four CPU cores...

Were you having issues before Windows 10 on that box? My J1900 is humming along perfectly happy, but is also using driver v4061 instead of v4252. It is also staying on Windows 7. So there is also that I guess.
1209) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows 10 - Yea or Nay? (Message 1708116)
Posted 3 Aug 2015 by Profile HAL9000
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10 is sounding more and more like Skynet.

No no Skynet is a machine that is run by the Air Forces weather department in Omaha, NE. At least that is the story I got from my friend that was in the Air Force & set up the system.
1210) Message boards : Number crunching : R9 290s with GPU load issues (Message 1708112)
Posted 3 Aug 2015 by Profile HAL9000
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i am trying to get the drivers installed so i can use the streaming procesors in a HD 4290 and for the life of me i cannot get the drivers installed in win 10 and it keeps saying no usable gpu found but it is there boinc recohnizes is

Aside from the possible Windows 10 incompatibility, I wouldn't blame the drivers. I would guess that old chipset graphics like HD 4290 simply doesn't support OpenCL, which is what BOINC would be looking for. OpenCL on discrete HD 4000 GPUs was only at a beta level and I know from past experience that it wasn't great at working with BOINC. It's possible that you could get some CAL driver support recognised in BOINC, but that really isn't very useful in S@h.

Not all Radeon HD 4000 series GPUs even had beta level OpenCL support. However I've had no issues with my older HD 3450's & Windows 10 using the same ancient Cat 12 driver I use in Windows 7. They are happy to run projects that support CAL just fine.


Well The video card states that it supports OpenCL 1.0
I'm reluctant to try it again since the last attempt resulted in 160+ aborts

I would just use it on projects that support CAL. Like Moo! or Collatz.
1211) Message boards : Number crunching : R9 290s with GPU load issues (Message 1707718)
Posted 2 Aug 2015 by Profile HAL9000
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i am trying to get the drivers installed so i can use the streaming procesors in a HD 4290 and for the life of me i cannot get the drivers installed in win 10 and it keeps saying no usable gpu found but it is there boinc recohnizes is

Aside from the possible Windows 10 incompatibility, I wouldn't blame the drivers. I would guess that old chipset graphics like HD 4290 simply doesn't support OpenCL, which is what BOINC would be looking for. OpenCL on discrete HD 4000 GPUs was only at a beta level and I know from past experience that it wasn't great at working with BOINC. It's possible that you could get some CAL driver support recognised in BOINC, but that really isn't very useful in S@h.

Not all Radeon HD 4000 series GPUs even had beta level OpenCL support. However I've had no issues with my older HD 3450's & Windows 10 using the same ancient Cat 12 driver I use in Windows 7. They are happy to run projects that support CAL just fine.
1212) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows 10 - Yea or Nay? (Message 1707571)
Posted 2 Aug 2015 by Profile HAL9000
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The migration software that came with my Samsung SSD was nothing short of amazing.....
Plugged the SSD into a USB port with a SATA/USB adapter and launched the software disk. It took about 2-1/2 hours, and built a mirror image of my system on the SSD. Unplugged the hard drive, plugged in the SSD, and it took off like nothing ever happened.
Except for booting in 10 seconds VS several minutes from the hard drive...LOL.
It's now a hoot to reboot.

I dunno if that software is available stand alone, or if it would work under any other scenarios.

Most of the SSD manufactures provide some kind of disk cloning tool that can be downloaded from their website. However some will only clone to a drive from the manufacture. I have been using Norton/Symantec Ghost for about 15 years & so far it hasn't let me down.
1213) Message boards : Number crunching : I seem to have found a Windows 10 / BIONC and/or S@H problem (Message 1707568)
Posted 2 Aug 2015 by Profile HAL9000
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My best guess at the moment is that it might be related to the iGPU driver v4256. I had to download the latest one from Intel. As Windows 10 refused to accept the ones I was using for the Windows 7 & 8.1 installations.

Could be the issue -- the Intel driver update utility tells me that my driver (specifically version 10.18.15.4256) is up-to-date. I don't see anything newer available.

Oh and I see that I clobbered BOINC as "BIONC" in my original posts. Sorry about that. Guess that happens when you grow up watching the BIONIC Man/Woman series on TV.

The 4256 iGPU driver release is from July 28th. So I wouldn't expect anything new to appear anytime soon.
1214) Message boards : Number crunching : I seem to have found a Windows 10 / BIONC and/or S@H problem (Message 1707439)
Posted 1 Aug 2015 by Profile HAL9000
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I've had no such problems so far could be machine specific to a certain combination of hardware they prolly patch it soon

My best guess at the moment is that it might be related to the iGPU driver v4256. I had to download the latest one from Intel. As Windows 10 refused to accept the ones I was using for the Windows 7 & 8.1 installations.
1215) Message boards : Number crunching : I seem to have found a Windows 10 / BIONC and/or S@H problem (Message 1707409)
Posted 1 Aug 2015 by Profile HAL9000
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I was having similar issues with Windows 10. However I had not yet started BOINC. I sense there may be an update coming.
1216) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows 10 - Yea or Nay? (Message 1707336)
Posted 1 Aug 2015 by Profile HAL9000
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If we didn't have to support it at work I wouldn't have it anywhere near my machines there.

Free OS, yeah sure, and those who falls for it are the real product.

Just like everyone with an Android or iOS device.
1217) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows 10 - Yea or Nay? (Message 1707330)
Posted 1 Aug 2015 by Profile HAL9000
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Installed on a Intel cruncher with iGPU.

It downloads the latest drivers when you install. After rolling back the iGPU driver to the one I had before it couldn't detect my screen so I got stuck at 1024x764 res. You have no control over the drivers, it just downloads the latest and installs it. After rolling back to original it downloaded the latest one again.

Edge was quick. Pity about the driver crap. I've gone back to Win7.

I have to pull the network cable during setup do Windows 10 wouldn't start downloading updates in the background. Then once I configured windows to not do constant automatic updates I reconnected the network cable.
1218) Message boards : Number crunching : FIFO?? (Message 1707329)
Posted 1 Aug 2015 by Profile HAL9000
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Whatever happening to FIFO when processing tasks? A while back I commented on one of the other threads that MB (cuda50) tasks were jumping the queue and started working while AP tasks where sitting on the side line. Now I'm seeing AP CPU tasks sitting on the side line collecting dust and the AP GPU tasks are running, leaving the cores not allocated for GPU use idle. This morning I changed my global preferences to allow other apps to run if no AP tasks available. D/l'ed a number of MB (CPU & GPU), and the MB CPU tasks took off running as soon as they finished d/l'ing. Even though I'm running BOINC 7.6.6 & Lunatics 0.43b, I've seen this happening under BOINC 7.4.42 & Lunatics 0.43a during regression testing.

I thought we determined that the tasks were running in High Priority, but since High Priority was removed form the GUI you were just unable to tell that was happening.
1219) Message boards : Number crunching : observation about windows 10 (Message 1706969)
Posted 31 Jul 2015 by Profile HAL9000
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i did a clean install of win10 yesterday,since seti restarted today it seems my 290x is processing about twice as fast as before,finishing the tasks in half the time. just found it interesting..

The work sent out isn't always the same. Some of it takes longer, VLAR tasks, or some of it takes much less time, VHAR tasks. A normal angle range(AR) is ~0.42 with values that deviate much higher being refereed to as VHAR(very high angle range), about 1.127 & higher, & those that are much below VLAR(very low angle range), about 0.30 & lower. Unfortunately your speed increase looks to be due to completing shorter tasks than it was doing previously.

If you look at a completed MB result you can look for the line that says WU true angle range is :.

For a completed Astropulse task you can look for the line that says percent blanked:. Where a high percentage of blanking mean there was not a lot of work to do in that task.
1220) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows 10 - Yea or Nay? (Message 1706751)
Posted 30 Jul 2015 by Profile HAL9000
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Task Manager did not show BOINC in the Win 10 task manager startup tab even after starting BOINC. It did show under the processes tab, but you cannot alter it to show in startup tab. I uninstalled BOINC, recycled the machine, and installed BOINC 7.6.6 cleanly, and recycled the machine again without launching BOINC. When the OS came back up, BOINC was in the startup tab and started normally. So the conditions that I initially stated are essentially true. If you uncheck the 2 BOINC boxes via msconfig, for whatever reasons, prior to the upgrade, it will not be carried over to the task manager, therefore will not show in the startup tab.

I had thought I saw a way to add items to the start up from there. Perhaps that was only in one of the beta release or one of the medications I am on. Likely the later.
If one wanted to prevent BOINC from processing while updating to Windows 10 it would probably be best to set BOINC activity to suspend in that case.

I'm still in the early stages of getting all the documents together to tell my coworkers "This is how you do task X now". Once I finish that I plan to load up non-Pro and see about getting the automagic updates disabled like in Pro.
1221) Message boards : Number crunching : Anything relating to AstroPulse tasks (Message 1706745)
Posted 30 Jul 2015 by Profile HAL9000
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Does anybody know if the APs that are out that claim the application is
Not in DB
will validate?

The message "not in db" is in the application field. From what I have seen it looks like there was an issue populating the name field for hosts using Anonymous platform. I would expect this to only be a cosmetic issue that seems to have already been resolved.
1222) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows 10 - Yea or Nay? (Message 1706693)
Posted 30 Jul 2015 by Profile HAL9000
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Make sure that any programs (i.e. BOINC) that you want to auto start when OZS starts up are set in msconfig prior to upgrade. I made the mistake of blanking the BOINC boxes and I see no way to turn them back on. I may have to reinstall BOINC.

As far as I know, this is regulated through the registry, not through Msconfig/startup.

Before trying anything else, open BOINC Manager, and then depending on BOINC version:
7.4 and before, Tools->Options
7.6 and later, Options->Other options...

Now uncheck "Run Manager at login?" and OK if checked and then do that again to check this option.
Or just check "Run Manager at login?" if unchecked, then OK.

This will start BOINC at Windows login.


That box was already checked. If you run msconfig in Win 7 and press the startup tab, you can check/uncheck which programs start up at any particular time. If I'm upgrading/updating something and had to recycle and didn't want BOINC to start at the next recycle, I just uncheck the 2 boxes. You can do this and have the machine recycle at that time or not. If those 2 boxes are unchecked at the time of the upgrade, as in my case, then BOINC will not auto start, regardless of what is specified in the manager.

In Task Manager there is a start up tab. You can right click items and select disable to have them not run on the next boot. I don't have the Windows 10 system in front of me right now, but adding new start up items can probably be done there as well.
1223) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows 10 - Yea or Nay? (Message 1706456)
Posted 29 Jul 2015 by Profile HAL9000
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I grabbed the "Windows 10 IoT Core for Raspberry Pi 2 (ARM)" version when I was getting the standard .isos at work. Now I just need a Raspberry Pi 2 to install it on.
1224) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (99) Server Problems? (Message 1705862)
Posted 28 Jul 2015 by Profile HAL9000
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Upgraded one of my machines to 7.4.42.....miss the messages section. Notices is just annoying....

I'm still using the manager v6.10.48. So I don't have to see the annoying notices tab & get my message right where I like them. In plain view.I've considered downloading the source & building a manager with the current version but restoring the messages tab instead of the hidden event log, but I don't want to go through the effort of setting up the environment to just to compile the manager.
1225) Message boards : Number crunching : Reddit thinks SETI@home is not useful (Message 1705774)
Posted 27 Jul 2015 by Profile HAL9000
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Well your "used ID is - 226846
Hal's is - 792
And mine is - 812533

Quite why you have a lower id than me seems odd but there probably is a reason.

Off topic, but since the question came up - I got UserID 5509.

About a year before SETI Classic closed down, and when BOINC was getting ready to roll, they did a bulk import of active SETI Classic users to seed the new BOINC database. I don't know how far down the list they went, but those which were imported were done in Classic ranking order - so the lower your UID now, the more Classic work you returned.

I had always wondered why my UID was so low. I figured it had something to do with signing up with BOINC during the original alpha testing, but your explanation seems rather logical. When they did the import I might have been #792, but by the time Classic ended I dropped down to #1001.
1226) Message boards : Number crunching : Reddit thinks SETI@home is not useful (Message 1705660)
Posted 27 Jul 2015 by Profile HAL9000
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Quite a few of us would like to see him disappear for good and never come back, but even his little contribution does help and has to be seen as welcome. If he annoys you that much, which of course he deliberately does to get attention, the answer is to put him on ignore. As an international project we cannot stop the mentally challenged from signing up and posting, provided they don't break the rules.

I found out that BOINC has a limit of only 26 users on the ignore list. Trying to add more results in an error.


Actually when Zapped Sparky reported this a a problem this was David Anderson's answer

The database field that stores ignored user IDs is 254 chars long, and Zapped has reached this limit.

The code should handle this more gracefully, or remove the limit. For now, you can un-ignore some people.


So it is all to do with how long the users ID's are.

Well that explanation makes sense. However with the 26 users I have on ignore their total length comes to 161 characters. Likely closers to 186 with a comma separating IDs or 238 if the values are stored in quotes & separated by commas. It seems like I should be able to add at least 1 more, but maybe there is some other overhead in that stored value.
1227) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows 10 - Yea or Nay? (Message 1705571)
Posted 27 Jul 2015 by Profile HAL9000
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Further updates are in the works (already)

Before Windows 10 has even launched, Microsoft's upgrade plans for the OS have leaked. Most recently, Neowin reports that wave 2 of Threshold, the long-standing codename for Windows 10, will land this October. However, this update will reportedly focus on optimizing and stabilizing the operating system. If you're already holding out for some major changes, expect to hold out for quite some time.

According to an earlier Neowin report, the first major update will come June 2016 and the other October of next year, with Microsoft operating under the codename Redstone. That said, I would expect that timing to change. A whopping 11 months is quite a long time before issuing features that were cut from the initial Windows 10 release.

Microsoft recently clarified that statement with specific figures: Windows 10 will be supported with new features and updates until October 13, 2020. Extended support, e.g. security patches, will carry on until October 14, 2025. This seems to apply to both Windows 10 on desktop and Windows 10 Mobile.


Win 10

As of Friday our contact to MS indicated that MS still does not have a release date for Windows 10 Mobile. Nor did they indicate which devices will currently support updating to Windows 10 Mobile. Which was our actual inquiry.
1228) Message boards : Number crunching : Reddit thinks SETI@home is not useful (Message 1705566)
Posted 27 Jul 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Quite a few of us would like to see him disappear for good and never come back, but even his little contribution does help and has to be seen as welcome. If he annoys you that much, which of course he deliberately does to get attention, the answer is to put him on ignore. As an international project we cannot stop the mentally challenged from signing up and posting, provided they don't break the rules.

I found out that BOINC has a limit of only 26 users on the ignore list. Trying to add more results in an error.
1229) Message boards : Number crunching : Waiting time for WU download (Message 1705565)
Posted 27 Jul 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
This might seem like quite a minor point to bring up but every time I download new WU's I have to wait 5 minutes between batches. Is there any way to reduce this waiting time? Thanks.

The interval limit was put in place to prevent the high end machines from pounding the servers with requests.
1230) Message boards : Number crunching : Reddit thinks SETI@home is not useful (Message 1705319)
Posted 26 Jul 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
When sometimes says "SETI hasn't found anything & isn't useful" I would ask.
If an x-ray is taken looking for broken bones & no broken bones are found. Does that mean that taking x-rays are not useful? It only indicates what was being looked for in that area at that time was not present. In science a negative result is still a result.
1231) Message boards : Number crunching : Why this CPU task invalid so soon? (Message 1705314)
Posted 26 Jul 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
It looks like you had a CPU AP task also go invalid. With your result containing 30/30 pulses vs the two valid results 2/0 pulses.

That system isn't starting to overheat or anything is it?
1232) Message boards : Number crunching : Anything relating to AstroPulse tasks (Message 1704980)
Posted 25 Jul 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
This is the current status As of 22 Jul 2015, 21:10:04 UTC. When I did the original post on this, the "total available channels on disk" was either 503 or 504, I can't remember which one. I may be wrong, but the total available channels on a disk does not change, while splitting files on that disk. If that is indeed the case, then the disk currently being worked is in fact a new disk. If my perspective on this is incorrect, then this senile old man deeply apologies.

total available channels on disk: 420 0
channels in progress: 7 0
channels done: 39 0
channels ended in error: 0 0
total channels to do: 374 0

'On disk' means "in currently accessible storage" - the server disk array where data is stored while being work on.

So, there's no "new disk" involved, just a number of image files stored 'on disk'. When an image file is completely split, the working copy is deleted from local storage, and the total number of channels reduces by 14.


Is there any way to make the "total available channels on disk' static as to when the complete initial loading of the array occurs, that way we see a more accurate accounting of the "channels done" & "total channels to do", also changing the wording from "disk" to maybe "disk array"? Instead of reducing the total available, we increase the number of channels done by x amount, and the channels to do is decreased by 14, which you stated is the amount that is currently being reduced from the total available. This way when one checks the status, we see get a more accurate accounting of what was initially loaded, the total number of channels already split, and the total number of channels remain to split.

I think what you basically want would be for completed data sets to not be removed automatically once they are finished being split. If you wanted the completed data sets to only be removed once new data was added that wouldn't serve your purpose either. Some data sets can be completed while new ones are still being loaded by the system. It is more of a continuous stream of data & more is added when it starts to get low. In the past data was added more often than once a week or two. I seem to recall that new data was added for 3 or 4 days in a row previously, but that may have been when they had more time on their hands.
They could change the display name, but in computer terms "disk", or sometimes disc, is a generic term to refer to any storage medium. In a RAID array it is common to divide the volume into separate "disks". Depending on the complexity of the RAID controller it may also be also to define which individual drives are assigned to which virtual disk.
1233) Message boards : Number crunching : Monster GPU Cruncher Build (Message 1704702)
Posted 24 Jul 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I asked at the manfacturer (for some weeks, because I had the same idea ;-) , if I could remove the backplate of the HD7990, the support said it's urgently recommended to let installed the backplate.
It cool the PCB and the VRAM.
The 1st VGA card, 1st GPU, just in BIOS, the backplate was so hot that I couldn't touch it.

HD7990 at PCIe slot #1 and #5 (of 7) and it could work.
I didn't tested 3 VGA cards, it wouldn't go because not enough fresh air for cooling.
I have a Super Flower 2000W PSU.

The warning appeared just one time until now.
I guess because - maybe - I changed the jumper of the onboard VGA output 3 times (off, on, off - for tests) and the last time the jumper was very wobbly (and this is a €500 ASUS board).
I think I must repar it with a pliers and press together the contacts.


I'm still confused that the "Windows 8.1 Pro x64" DVD will be not recognized as 'bootable' source.
If I test the 'old' 'Windows 8.1 x64' DVD from my other J1900 PC - it will be recognized as 'bootable' and will install the OS.
What is the problem that the 'Pro' version of Windows 8.1 x64 don't want to install the OS?

I had contact with the online shop - they said opened software they don't take back (they said also, they registered the OS as I bought it. (If I buy an OS, they send Microsoft my address?) So they can't take back also. Is this all true?).
What? I payed €150 for a damaged DVD and that's all?

EDIT: I need the 'Pro' version because it have dual CPU support.

I think I had it backwards before when you stated Os would not boot. I thought you said that the disc would boot on your J1900 system, but not the new one. I missed the fact that you were listing two different disc.
If the only problem is a damaged disc then there are several options. You could install Windows from the non pro disc without entering a key. Then once in Windows enter your Pro key to upgrade the OS & activate it.
Also you could burn a new disc from .iso. MS may allow you to download image to burn (They do this if you buy Windows from the MS Store), or maybe I could put an .iso on my server for you to try. However, I would need to know if you would want English or German language .iso.
1234) Message boards : Number crunching : Anything relating to AstroPulse tasks (Message 1704692)
Posted 24 Jul 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Only a Star Trek thing

So option C. It was!
1235) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (99) Server Problems? (Message 1704659)
Posted 24 Jul 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Beta is down :( and just as I started to test something, lol

edit.. an no, I didn't break it thank you!!

The might be implementing the database change at Beta first to make sure it will work here next week.
1236) Message boards : Number crunching : GPU performance problems (Message 1704657)
Posted 24 Jul 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hi,

yes, Catalist driver is 15.7

Here you have more details...



https://goo.gl/photos/Ke3rU9KHRCq2aFqt9

I'm sorry, I'm not able to link the image properly.

By the way, Mike, why do you recommend me to be sure to free one CPU core?

I believe the recommendation originates from the app developer. However it might have been from those that did initial app testing. With OpenCL apps CPU resources are required.
1237) Message boards : Number crunching : Anything relating to AstroPulse tasks (Message 1704624)
Posted 24 Jul 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
yes, nobody complained about the nexus


My nexus7 and nexus9 both rock for sure. Nothing works on them yet for seti, but I still love them.

I could be mistaken, but I think woohoo was referring to the nexus of ones RAC, or perhaps they meant the apex?
1238) Message boards : Number crunching : Monster GPU Cruncher Build (Message 1704619)
Posted 24 Jul 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
AFAIK, each HD7990 have a PCIe 3.0 x16 plug.
So 2 HD7990 each CPU, 32 PCIe lanes used.

It looks like I have the v5304 BIOS installed.

Thanks for tips and hints (thanks also for PM :-) .
All the day I looked in BIOS what I could set, had set wrong, and so on...
I found no mistake.

Strange happened, I don't know maybe the BIOS is... I don't know...
Today, just 1 HD7990 installed, start, again a BIOS windows say something: 'fatal system error'.
Reboot and I see again the DOS screen.


What ever...

I got the idea, I test the 'old' Windows 8.1 x64 DVD of my J1900 PC.
And... - and... - it worked, Windows started to install. *confused*
So the Windows 8.1 Pro x64 DVD is broken?

BTW, I ordered 4* 'R9 FuryX' VGA cards.

If they are here, and I can't install the OS and/or something don't go like it should, I will never again build my own PC. *annoyed* ;-)

If you are getting random fatal system error messages then there is a problem with the system. Would be poorly seated CPU or RAM. Could also be a faulty component. If the system will not respond correctly with 1 GPU I would not expect >1 to ever work correctly. I would do further troubleshooting to get the system working normal. Then add additional GPUs.
1239) Message boards : Number crunching : Using BOINCView. (Message 1704615)
Posted 24 Jul 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I prefer it over BOINCTasks as does continuously switch to the task view when I am looking at the hosts info & it is much more responsive in getting the number of tasks on each host.

I just use <allow_remote_gui_rpc>1</allow_remote_gui_rpc> in my cc_config.xml. Rather than enter every IP address on my network as remote hosts. Once a gui_rpc_auth.cfg, cc_config.xml settings & firewall settings are configured BOINCView is ready to go. Personally I don't bother with a highly secure password in my gui_rpc_auth.cfg. As I don't have the ports for BOINC open in my routers.

If you do that then you can select the 2nd radial button that says "Get data via network access" instead of "Get data via direct file access".
1240) Message boards : Number crunching : Monster GPU Cruncher Build (Message 1704476)
Posted 24 Jul 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I didn't read all the BIOS release note, but this older one caught my eye. If your BIOS version is older I would probably just install the newest version.

BIOS 5304 for Z9PE-D8 WS released to public
1. Support Windows 2012 R2.
2. Improve compatibility for add-on VGAs while 2 CPUs installed.
3. Improve compatibility for add-on VGAs with Ivy-Bridge CPUs.
1241) Message boards : Number crunching : Anything relating to AstroPulse tasks (Message 1704473)
Posted 24 Jul 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
how come nobody complains when their rac shoots upward

When you are shot out of a cannon you don't worry about how high you are going until you start to come back down.
1242) Message boards : Number crunching : New cruncher problems (Message 1704348)
Posted 23 Jul 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
4.4 GHz is the regular turbo boost on this CPU.

Gigabyte motherboards often have an A.I. overclocking function. Which is on by default. I always turn it off immediately. So I didn't even consider that it was running on their system.
1243) Message boards : Number crunching : GPU performance problems (Message 1704301)
Posted 23 Jul 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
since you only have 2 posts it was easy to look through all of your posts to find your first message. Which you can find my looking at your Account info.

Since there are no completed tasks on your machines for us to inspect only general advise can be given.

Which Catalyst release are you using? I'm using 14.9 on my mobile Cedar, but I have not seen any significant improvements with drivers.
1244) Message boards : Number crunching : New cruncher problems (Message 1704298)
Posted 23 Jul 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
OK, so it is almost certainly a thermal issue.
I downloaded "CoreTemp" and installed it on one of my AMD systems and the errant i7 system
The AMD system is reporting temperatures around 40C
The i7 system is reporting temperatures around 90C

Now to dig for the cause.



(Hmm that's strange, a few moments ago the i7 temperatures dropped to about 5C, then leapt back up to ~90.

I wander if the fans on the H80i are running properly?

If the CPU is at 90ºC I would suspect the the cooler isn't making good contact with the CPU.
1245) Message boards : Number crunching : "Resent lost task" questions (Message 1704297)
Posted 23 Jul 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hi,
1. Why is it not on, all the time?
2. When is it turned on?
3. Could it not be turned on, once a week for a few hours?
4. Why is boinc deleting wu's, if the associated app is not found straight away, instead of giving a warning/error message first!
5. Why isn't boinc informing the server about the wu's it deleted?

I appreciate any comments.

1. Because reasons!
As I recall it was hamming the MySQL db to hard & making everything generally unhappy.
It isn't on all the time because they would like the project to actually be up and running. Rather than constantly crashy.
2. It only gets switched on by accident or to test if the db server wants to not die.
3. Sure. If you want the project to crash once a week. See #1.
4. & 5. See here
1246) Message boards : Number crunching : New cruncher problems (Message 1704292)
Posted 23 Jul 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
With building my 2nd i5-4670K I had several issues with it freezing, restarting, or some other major issue. After 4 motherboards & 5 different sets of RAM I had swapped the CPU & then things were all well. The odd thing is the seemingly faulty CPU was fine in the other system.
1247) Message boards : Number crunching : Anything relating to AstroPulse tasks (Message 1704160)
Posted 23 Jul 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
This is the current status As of 22 Jul 2015, 21:10:04 UTC. When I did the original post on this, the "total available channels on disk" was either 503 or 504, I can't remember which one. I may be wrong, but the total available channels on a disk does not change, while splitting files on that disk. If that is indeed the case, then the disk currently being worked is in fact a new disk. If my perspective on this is incorrect, then this senile old man deeply apologies.

total available channels on disk: 420 0
channels in progress: 7 0
channels done: 39 0
channels ended in error: 0 0
total channels to do: 374 0

Ah, now I understand why you were saying that. Hopefully Richard's explanation clears up any confusion.

According to my father being senile is the best part of getting old. :P
1248) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (99) Server Problems? (Message 1704159)
Posted 23 Jul 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I guess you could say we've got 99 problems, but a server ain't one... right now.

By saying that I know I just jinxed things. Sorry about that.
1249) Message boards : Number crunching : How much do I download? (Message 1704158)
Posted 23 Jul 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Ok Ok, obviously one of those days .....

I rightly or wrongly consider a proper network one where there is a server, which controls all the peripheral computers & devices connected to it. I do not consider a router or Home Hub as a server. Yes of course Bernie is correct in that each device has a separate IP address, even a network dork like me knows that much!

So a Token Ring network is not a network? A token Ring network with just a file server in the ring & the file server controls all the computers in the ring?

Definition of network

a group of two or more computers linked together.

These days they might not even be computers. Such as the case of the TV.
1250) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (98) Server Problems? (Message 1704086)
Posted 22 Jul 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Reading Matt's Funny story from November 2011, I'm not exactly reassured. He hasn't typed the figures '6' and '4' in that order since then, so they may be in for a surprise. I think I feel an email coming on...

It's only been about 4 years. I'm sure it's in the "to do" pile.
1251) Message boards : Number crunching : Anything relating to AstroPulse tasks (Message 1704083)
Posted 22 Jul 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
MB splitters are down to 500 chnanels to split, it's going to be a long time before we see fresh APs in any number.


I think there is a new disk being worked on - the last one had 504 available channels. The one currently being split has 434 available channels w/ 391 to go. Should we hold a lottery to see how many of these we have to go through before we get to splitting APs again?

You seem to be looking at total available channels on disk which is the total of recorded channels for all of the data sets. The number previously being refereed to is total channels to do. Just a few lines down. Which is current sitting at 385


I agree, but the point I was trying to make was that a newer disk is currently being split w/ 391 to go and how many more would we will have to encounter before AP splits again. If it was one or between switching back to APs I wouldn't mind so much, but it seems that its weeks before that happens.

I haven't got a clue what this "new disk" you are referring to might be. There doesn't appear to have been any new data sets, or tapes if you prefer, added to the queue to be split since there were loaded previously. We are working down from about 800 or so channels I believe.
1252) Message boards : News : Big boost for SETI@home from Yuri Milner's Breakthrough Listen Initiative (Message 1704043)
Posted 22 Jul 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
And all of you who have been crunching for 16 years were REALLY trend-setters!!!

I hope that doesn't make us hipsters then. 0.o

Just you, with your wooden pipe, flip flops and your Highland Wool Plaid Quilted Vest. :P

Like any self respecting SETI@home user would have anything other than a corncob pipe. I mean... like really would doesn't love the smell of corn?! Maybe the aliens. We will have to ask them, but first we have to find them.

Longest game of hide & seek ever! I don't think they are going to win though.
1253) Message boards : Number crunching : How much do I download? (Message 1704041)
Posted 22 Jul 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I won't call it a home network because it ISN'T!


Why wouldn't you want to call a home network a home network.

I have a strong suspicion that your three devices have internal IP addresses and that your Home Hub does as well. Otherwise nothing would work :-)

And you are showing pictures from your PC's on the TV, well sounds suspiciously like a network to me, because if it wasn't you could not do that.

You can call it a spam omelette, if you really want to, but like it or not by all definitions it is a home network.

It does seem to fit the definition.
A home network or home area network (HAN) is a type of local area network with the purpose to facilitate communication among digital devices present inside or within the close vicinity of a home.
1254) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (98) Server Problems? (Message 1704037)
Posted 22 Jul 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
So it appears that we're getting closer to another new milestone of sorts. 2^32 tasks.

Hey Cosmic_Ocean, I am trying to keep up with you!
How did you find we are getting close to that number before losing count?

In round numbers I am reading that the Master Science Data Base is stuffed with 1.76 * 10^9 workunits. Also, for convenience I note that 2^32 ~= 4.29 * 10^9.

Dividing 1.76 / 4.29 the result is ~ 41% full.

This is not yet ominous. But maybe this is not what you are talking about.

When you are viewing your tasks look at the far left column labeled "Tasks". The number there reflects how many tasks how many tasks have been generated. Note the number of tasks exceeds the number of workunits by a minimum of 2 to 1. There are at least 2 tasks per workunit & up to 10.
That integer is what tends to be the issue. I would have to reread Matt's previous posts, but I recall that they must define the integer length in the table. Previously when we ran into a number larger than the table could accept. So work generation comes to a stop until they modify the table to accept the larger integer. Which seems to be done by creating a new table and then copying the data into the new table.
1255) Message boards : Number crunching : Anything relating to AstroPulse tasks (Message 1704035)
Posted 22 Jul 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
MB splitters are down to 500 chnanels to split, it's going to be a long time before we see fresh APs in any number.


I think there is a new disk being worked on - the last one had 504 available channels. The one currently being split has 434 available channels w/ 391 to go. Should we hold a lottery to see how many of these we have to go through before we get to splitting APs again?

You seem to be looking at total available channels on disk which is the total of recorded channels for all of the data sets. The number previously being refereed to is total channels to do. Just a few lines down. Which is current sitting at 385
1256) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows 10 - Yea or Nay? (Message 1703952)
Posted 22 Jul 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Interesting, if compatibility still keeped on modern PCs? Can modern PC with EFI boot into MS-DOS ?...

So long as the system supports UEFI & BIOS it can run MS-DOS.
I have a new system at work that only supports UEFI. Which was a bit of an issue. As our normal disk image method is booting MS-DOS to run Norton Ghost. Now I've had to make a Windows PE boot disk with ghost32 on it. It takes longer to load the OS to run ghost & there are a few other issues that make it less convenient as well.
1257) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows 10 - Yea or Nay? (Message 1703847)
Posted 22 Jul 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
the mind boggles ... stupid fonts!!! ( *shakes fist* )

This is why I just stick with Comic Sans for everything.
1258) Message boards : Number crunching : How much do I download? (Message 1703846)
Posted 22 Jul 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
It's OK. Samsung has likely just recording everything you have been saying around it. There was an issue with some company doing something similar not that long ago.

Nope, I specifically have that feature turned OFF!!

However

The TV's voice features can be disabled. However, the company adds another caveat: "While Samsung will not collect your spoken word, Samsung may still collect associated texts and other usage data so that we can evaluate the performance of the feature and improve it."

also

A good way to judge how important your information is to your TV manufacturer is the TV's reaction to your acceptance or denial of its terms and conditions.
Sony seems to be the best for this as it will still allow you full access to your TV and all its smart functions even if you turn down the terms and conditions.
LG is next in line as it stops you from accessing its apps only if you don’t agree with the T&Cs.
Samsung and Toshiba are the next worst culprits as they will shut off your smart TV access all together if you don't agree to let them virtually probe you. Panasonic stops use of any apps and even the web browser if you don't agree with its data sharing requirements.

Also tracking

Samsung is not so good here though. Which? magazine found that when the TV was turned on it immediately beamed the user's full location and postcode without even encrypting the information. Samsung claims the data is needed to operate the TV. But something that specific surely can't be required?
While LG has stopped tracking user data all together, after its investigation, it hasn't ruled out restarting data tracking in the future.


All the smart TVs seem to do this to a greater or lesser extent but Samsung does seem to be the worst.

One article I read suggested it can use over 1 Gb a day on these services.

Only real way round it is to disconnect it from the internet when you are not using the "smart" services.


Also one could block the ports/server addresses in the router that the troublesome devices are using.

Also for router/switch data logging I still like to use MRTG. It is what the cricket graphs we used to see are based off of.
1259) Message boards : Number crunching : How much do I download? (Message 1703781)
Posted 21 Jul 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I did also install MS network monitor as Bernie suggested. Blimey takes a bit of playing to learn how to drive it but guess what? It's my Samsung Smart TV that is chattering away to the internet all day long!! Yet a lot of the options are turned off i.e. this voice command monitor thing.

Will look further into this.

It's OK. Samsung has likely just recording everything you have been saying around it. There was an issue with some company doing something similar not that long ago.
1260) Message boards : Number crunching : How much do I download? (Message 1703717)
Posted 21 Jul 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Many thanks Bernie. Yes you are correct in that I have a BT Home Hub 5 Type A updated 07/07/15, with the Infinity Option 2 package. I will most certainly go and login to the Router and see what I can see. As everything up and down goes through the hub, it is logical that the info is in there somewhere.

Update - Ok, that is exactly the info that I wanted to see!! But it shows 8.8GB in 21 hours? No way am I downloadng that amount of stuff .... But you can leave it running in real time in the background, So I'll do that for 24 hours.

That is likely including the overhead in your transfers as well. That 8.8GB over 21 hours comes out to ~120K/s continuously.
1261) Message boards : Number crunching : Monster GPU Cruncher Build (Message 1703716)
Posted 21 Jul 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
If I understood »this article« correct, then the left and right (yellow + black) cables of a PCIe 6pin connector can deliver 75W (just 4 pins).
I'm right?
So then the above mentioned mod should work.

Pin 1 with 4 & 3 with 6 should be OK. I think manufactures may put 12v on pin 2 in the event 6-pin connector is plugged into 8-pin GPU socket.
1262) Message boards : Number crunching : Monster GPU Cruncher Build (Message 1703475)
Posted 20 Jul 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The Super Flower 2000W PSU have 4 'periphery' cables, 2 with molex 4pin and 2 with SATA connectors.

1 molex 4pin cable from the PSU I connect to the EZ-Plug of the mobo (power for the PCIe slots). (They don't deliver the power, because the PCIe extender riser cable have power connector, but maybe this way or this way this EZ-Plug need to be connected for correct function of the PCIe slots)

1 molex 4pin cable from the PSU I connect 26* 120mm 1900RPM fans (if 5W each then this are 130W for this cable. (I guess it's enough, or how much wattage can survive such a cable?)

Then I have 2 cables from the PSU which have SATA power connectors.
Then I would need an adaptor which make molex 4pin from it.

If so, then every SATA power connector must deliver (survive) 75W, if I use two SATA connectors of each cable, then the whole cable must deliver (survive) 150W.
This can deliver the SATA connectors (75W) and this cable (150W)?

Not to forget the SATA HDD, which will use maybe 5W! ;-)

I need a way to connect the PCIe extender riser cables with the PSU.
Every PCIe extender riser cable need 75W, so this are 300W.

I thought a 6pin PCIe connector can deliver 75W, why not to connect him with the PCIe extender riser power connector which need up to 75W?
But this are 3 black and 3 yellow (6pin PCIe).
If I use just the left up+down or on the right up+down black and yellow cables, this two cables can deliver also 75W?

I guess if I connect/combine all the 3 yellow cables of the PCIe plug to 1 yellow cable and the left and right black cable also to 1 cable, this will not work, because this will be a 'yellow' short circuit, or not?

I need an adaptor with (if this would work):
»connector on the left« (here I connect the power connector of the PCIe extender riser cable
and at the other end of the cable
»connector on the right« (here I connect the PCIe 6pin connector from the PSU)

But just one yellow and one black cable connected between both connectors.
But over this can go up to 75W?

Thanks.

OK now I see your limit on connections with the PSU.

With the 2 8-pin EPS 12V connectors I would expect enough power to be delivered to PCIe slots that you will be using directly. If MB states to use 4-pin molex also then it knows better than I, but I'm not clear why it might be needed.

The 4-pin molex connectors are rated for 13 amp, but that is the connector. The specifications for peripheral connecters generally state that no more than 5 amps per connector or 60 watt for 12v. I read that to mean a cable with 4 connectors is expect to be to deliver 20 amp. Where as a cable with 2 connectors would be expected to deliver only 10 amp.

When splicing the adapters together to make the one you need. Remember the PCIe connection is rated for 75w. So that is combination of all cables attached to the connector. Connecting all yellow together should not be a problem with a single 12v PSU. They are all connected together on the other end.
Rather than make a special adapter. You could remove molex connector from PCIe riser & connect 6-pin PCIe connector directly.
1263) Message boards : Number crunching : Bad News on BOINC funding (Message 1703443)
Posted 20 Jul 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
It looks like it's possible some SETI@home funding is coming down the pike.

http://www.cnbc.com/2015/07/20/searching-for-et-hawking-to-look-for-extraterrestrial-life.html

The article says a "Breakthrough Listen" program will support Berkeley's SETI@home project.

We shall see . . . . .

In the News section:
Big boost for SETI@home from Yuri Milner's Breakthrough Listen Initiative
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=77751&postid=1703344#1703344
1264) Message boards : News : Big boost for SETI@home from Yuri Milner's Breakthrough Listen Initiative (Message 1703441)
Posted 20 Jul 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Wonderful news!!!!!

And all of you who have been crunching for 16 years were REALLY trend-setters!!!

I hope that doesn't make us hipsters then. 0.o
1265) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (98) Server Problems? (Message 1703438)
Posted 20 Jul 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Sorry, didn't see you're on linux. I think there's just a rescheduler for windows and even that seems to be hard to find.

Rescheduling work was found to screw up the credit issued once we switched to CreditNew & as far as I know no version that supports MB v7 was released.
1266) Message boards : News : Big boost for SETI@home from Yuri Milner's Breakthrough Listen Initiative (Message 1703386)
Posted 20 Jul 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
So far it isn't clear to me if this initiative is parallel or counter to Berkeley's own FIRSST initiative.
1267) Message boards : Number crunching : Monster GPU Cruncher Build (Message 1703369)
Posted 20 Jul 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
You don't have any spare 4 pin or SATA power connects from your PSU?
I could see maybe no 4 pin connectors, but you could always use a SATA to 4 pin adapter.

EDIT: Also if making your own cable. On 6-pin PCIe power connector. The middle black wire is designated as "sense" rather than ground. So it may not be advisable to use as "ground" connection.

On connector gender. You are looking for PCIe male to 4 pin female. May people get the connectors confused. No matter which way the plastic connector goes. The connector gender is more by if there are pins pointing out... just like on humans males?
1268) Message boards : Number crunching : Good news on the ET search front (Russian entrepreneur launches $100 million search for aliens, backed by Stephen Hawking ) (Message 1703362)
Posted 20 Jul 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
From a quick look it seems like they want to setup the exact same thing as FIRSST. Or is this someone that is looking to fund the FIRSST initiative?
1269) Message boards : Number crunching : 100,000 work units! FINALLY! (Message 1703359)
Posted 20 Jul 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Greetings,

Congrats on this. But, how the heck do you determine the total number of work units done by a PC. I have looked and found nothing that tells me that this PC has done so-and-so number of WUs to date.

Keep on BOINCing...! :)

I'm at least 72% sure they meant credit when the said "workunits"
1270) Message boards : Number crunching : Anything relating to AstroPulse tasks (Message 1702843)
Posted 18 Jul 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
With 325k+ MB in the "ready to send" queue, it's about time to load some more APs, I'm running dry.

We have a bit of work left to do on the MB front
Total channels to do: 622
1271) Message boards : Number crunching : Anything relating to AstroPulse tasks (Message 1702520)
Posted 17 Jul 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
In the last week I have had major issues with two of my machines. Both machines are Intel 4690Ks running two 750tis SC in each unit. Tuesday morning one of my machines greeted me with a black screen of death, no response or communications on the LAN, had to hard restart. This morning my second machine was wailing away at 100% fan usage on the GPUs, turned on the monitor and had a frozen desktop with no response. Had to hard restart that one too. Looking through event logs and found no errors on why the lockups occurred. The coincidence was that both machines were running 2-APs on a single 750ti at the time, also I had added this line suggested by Zalster just before the problems:
ap_cmdline_win_x86_SSE2_OpenCL_NV.txt
-use_sleep -unroll 28 -oclFFT_plan 256 16 256 -ffa_block 12288 -ffa_block_fetch 6144 -tune 1 64 4 1 -tune 2 64 4 1 -hp

These machines have been rock solid till now. They are only a month or two old so there is no dust build up and the line voltage to each machine is good.

So I'm leaning on the idea that 2-aps per 750 is too much, and/or the parameters above might not be the perfect command line setup. Any thoughts?

Looking at the context of the conversation when that config was mentioned it seems you were discussing the GTX 970. Those parameters are likely for that configuration rather than the 750 Ti. Looking at Zalster machines with 750 Ti's they are not using that config. Their results show they are using a drastically different configuration for their 750 Ti's.
1272) Message boards : Number crunching : GPU Curiosity Question (Message 1702513)
Posted 17 Jul 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have a dedicated Nvidia 750 TI (no monitor attached) running one task and the temperature of the GPU is 50C. According to the SETI Task Page a typical AP Run Time of 2100 seconds results in a CPU (GPU) Time of around 80 seconds. There is one virtual CPU core free to support the GPU and "top" always shows the load on it at less than 15%. The question is, why would the GPU only show that it is working less than 5% of the time?

I have compared the server times using “ps ax” and the server logs to the times reported by the task page and they seem to agree. I suspect it is what it is, but it would be nice to know why it is. Perhaps the Linux algorithm for reporting the CPU time is flawed, but you would think the GPU temperature would be higher if that were the case. The reported temperature of 50C would certainly indicate that the GPU is not being overtaxed

Maybe the -use_sleep function is causing a weird issue with the monitoring utility? Perhaps it is polling at an interval when things are simply not active.
I looked at a few other hosts that also have 750 Ti's & the AP processing times seems very similar to yours. Some were a bit higher. So they may be running more than 1 task at a time or some other configuration that is less optimized. However your CPU times are the lowest I found.
1273) Message boards : Number crunching : Anything relating to AstroPulse tasks (Message 1702491)
Posted 17 Jul 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Fawkesguy, I rechecked the readme text and we are both wrong -

ocIFFT_plan" should be "ocLFFT_plan"


It should be "oclFFT_plan"

I'm not sure if these strings are case sensitive, but I think their point was that it is oclFFT_plan as in OpenCL. It's always fun when a particular font makes it hard to discern lowercase L's from uppercase I's, or even some times 1's.
This is why I often just copy and past stings. That way I'm not responsible for any typos. I make enough of them on my own.
1274) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (98) Server Problems? (Message 1702490)
Posted 17 Jul 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Wich RAC should i achieve to get into the top 1%? And have a gold badge?

The easiest way to determine where the RAC badge lines are is to check the current number of Active users on one of the stat sites like BOINCStats. Then find the number for the percentage you want. Right now it is showing 110,367 active users. So that puts the badges at:
Top 1103 participants for 1%
Top 5518 participants for 5%
Top 27591 participants for 25%
You can then look at the project stats for top participants by RAC & see what their current levels are.

It also should be noted that the BOINC badge systems has been known not to update for months at a time. I'm not sure if it currently working at the moment, but looking at the badges for users around the values I stated. It would seem as though they have been updated in the past 24-48 hours.
1275) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows 10 - Yea or Nay? (Message 1702383)
Posted 17 Jul 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I just want to say that I have been reading on the boards on Microsoft a lot the last few days and all the answers I have seen are that basically Windows 10 will take over your Windows 7 key so doing the clone and upgrade will not work(I thought about this as well so I asked) So my plan is to either get another windows 7 key or use my spare back-up oem key for the upgrade and still do the dual boot to evaluate Windows 10 before switching all 3 of my computers over.

If you make an image of the OS partition you can free reload it at will. Windows isn't a constant call home to make sure it's valid type of system. Once it has passed the initial checks to say it's legit then it is basically on auto pilot from there. Much of MS licensing is based on the honor system. "Yes I have 10,000 user license for my server OS... of course I do...".

If you were to reinstall Windows 7 on the same systems & try to activate a new installation with your Windows 7 key that was using for the Windows 10 upgrade. Then you might get a message that it is no longer valid.

Unless you are using VMs you can only run one OS on your machine at a time. So the spirit of the single user license is still being adhered to. However if you want to stick to the strict letter of the user agreement then once you upgrade to Windows 10 then your Windows 7 license is no longer valid.
1276) Message boards : Number crunching : Anything relating to AstroPulse tasks (Message 1702321)
Posted 16 Jul 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Oy vey, it does not bode well that the AP file numbers waiting to be split drops below 100.

Grab 'em while you can :-)

Oy vey.

Soon you will crunch MBs as the project is out.

We don't yet know whether that's "out until the next shipment of disks from Arecibo", or "out until MB catches up a bit so another tape load is called forward".

Depending on how much recording was done it could go either way. I believe I have only seen a total of 10 data sets for March & April. So there could be a great deal more.
1277) Message boards : Number crunching : SETI@Home Wow!-Event 2015 (Message 1702268)
Posted 16 Jul 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I guess now would be a good time to blow out all of the dust bunnies. So the machines are in good shape for the event.
1278) Message boards : Number crunching : WU assignment (Message 1702209)
Posted 16 Jul 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
So the server already assigns, what specific app is going to be used, before it downloads the wus to me? That is fixed and unchangeable?

The BOINC client will request work for the types of hardware you have enabled it to use in your system. Such as "Requesting new tasks for CPU and Intel GPU". Then if the server has an app that matches the hardware it will be sent to you. Unless you are using a 3rd party app, aka Anonymous platform, which you happen to be.

In the case of Anonymous platform you can change the apps pretty much at will. If you already have tasks assigned on your system you can have issues of losing work if you change a description or a few other items in the app_info.

In the case stock apps when there is more then 1 app for the type of hardware available, like the various CUDA apps. Then the server will send each one to the machine. Then the app that has the best Average processing rate will be the primary app used. The best APR will be selected once enough tasks have been completed for each app for the server to make a decision.
1279) Message boards : Number crunching : Not that it matters one tiny little bit, but... (Message 1702199)
Posted 16 Jul 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
...and I'm hot on your tail with only 3 machines running


I have to say, my long term goal is to build more machines with multi-GPUs as opposed to using Macs I find lying about. Altogether a better idea. That way everything wins.

I say "I don't do it for the credit, I do it for the science." but that's not strictly true for any of us, is it? :)

Honestly I'm just here for the free toaster. One day I'll get there. One day!
1280) Message boards : Number crunching : TIME FOR A NEW FUND DRIVE. (Message 1702029)
Posted 16 Jul 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
As for people donating just $5 well $5 is not just five bucks if you live outside of America 5 bucks can be a months work there is also transfer fees taxes and so on so $5 can cost a lot more than $5 after the fees and exchange rates and is a bit arrogant to assume people can pay that amount .

I offer a alternative free of fees witch Bitcoin currency's offer seeing as people will probably be using there electricity already so buy turning 1 of there machines off they can get some of the money spent on electricity back and donate it

If you reread Joe's statement. I think you will find he mentions if donations averaged $5 per user. Not having ever user donate just $5. For example it would take roughly 1500 people donating $600 a year to have an average donation of $5 per user.

An idea I had that I think might motivate people to donate more often.
Take the budget & make those items donation drives in the GPUUG fundraiser site. With the donations being sent in a decided interval, but the amounts would be tracked for the budget year.
I would imagine that all donations collected would just go into their general fund pool. As donations are not part of the budget. However being able to track things like "we donated enough to pay for Systems administration and support in 3 months" would be interesting.
1281) Message boards : Number crunching : Astropulse v6 (Message 1701967)
Posted 15 Jul 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thanks. Appreciate the clarification/qualification.

EDIT: Of course, I thought Lunatics was only for Advanced Users in the first place! ;^)

I think the installer is to make the apps accessible for those that are less technically inclined.
1282) Message boards : Number crunching : TIME FOR A NEW FUND DRIVE. (Message 1701796)
Posted 15 Jul 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Some of you could do what i'm doing , buy yourself a bitcoin miner and run it 24/7 and donate all the money it makes to seti .

A 200 gig/hash Antminer S1 uses aprox 400 watts of power so about the same as a high end machine .

It should generate about $100-200 per year or more depending of the currency rate at the time of donation so instead of having a crunching farm turn one of them off and run a Bitcoin miner for seti.

You can get a S2 miner that will be 400 gig/hash and it will use the same amount of power as the early S1 model and generate twice as much money witch should be around $200-400 per year.
...

Thanks for the numbers.

At my electric rates, a 400 watt system running for a year would add over 420 dollars to my electric bills, so even the S2 miner would be a slight loss. I suppose that might change over time, cryptocurrencies are valued by whatever the crowd thinks they're worth. My judgement is that value is more likely to go down rather than up over time, so I prefer to donate directly instead.

I have a monthly donation set up which happens on the 15th, so I got a confirmation email today:

Thank you for your continued support. Your gift was charged:

Date: 7/15/2015
Amount: 600.00
Credit Card...


That amount is of course designed to make up for a lot of users who cannot afford to make cash donations. If every active user could donate an average of 5 dollars a year the project would be getting about what they need. Matt Lebobsky could probably work nearly full time and perhaps the plans to get new sources of data could be accelerated.
                                                                  Joe

I looked at the miner boxes some time ago. With the R-Box 100 being much more efficient claiming 110Gh/s @ 110w-120w. Costing $80-120 depending on the day of the week. I worked out it world take me about 2.5 years to break even on hardware and electricity based on the published coin generation rates at the time. Given the generation rates slow over time it would likely take longer. So for me it doesn't look like a valid option.

With, at present, 176614 active users. If we managed to average $5 per active user a year that would possibly allow much more to happen. If we could average $1/mo, or $12/yr, per active user they might not know what to do with all the funds.
1283) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (98) Server Problems? (Message 1701682)
Posted 15 Jul 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thanks, Cosmic_Ocean, I had read your post and tried that first. But when you spin the blade a vibration can be felt. After oiling it still was very tight and the vibration was still there. The tech at Micro Center said he hasn't seen that particular failure in 6 years. Probably a mfg defect.

Ah, well it was worth a shot.

I just took a look at the SSP and noticed something odd...

27my15oz
27my15pa

In the lettering system that we're used to, in order to get down to 'pa,' that would be 50gb tape #416, with 'oz' being #415. The all-time record I've seen is I think 'at'.

Wow, that does seem a bit off. All of my scripts I use for BOINC use a ??????a? string to identify the task names. Given that is normally the constant. I wonder what happened on May 15 to cause the data sets to increment so high.
1284) Message boards : Number crunching : Excessive Time Errors on AP (Message 1701464)
Posted 14 Jul 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
From an inexperienced person ...

It looks to me like the tasks are restarting 4 times.

Even your valids seem to be the same.

I would watch for CPU busy, task suspended/resumed in the log.

I think you have confused the OpenCL list of their 4 GPUs with restarts.
1285) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (98) Server Problems? (Message 1701463)
Posted 14 Jul 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Any interesting but short wu's project? My backup is Climate prediction. I do not want to get a data set from them that will take up to a week to finish. Let alone three I know they will give me.

My main backup projects are
For CPU:
MilkyWay@Home or Asteroids@home
For ATI GPUs:
PrimeGrid or Collatz Conjecture
1286) Message boards : Number crunching : Welcome to the 15 year Club (Message 1701450)
Posted 14 Jul 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
It must of been another 15yr thread that I posted in 6mths ago.

Cheers.

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=75627&postid=1621937#1621937

That maybe it HAL, but I'm not so sure that it was.

Cheers.

I don't know. It was the only comment of yours I could find, but I was only searching in Number Crunching. Perhaps there was also a thread in Cafe?
1287) Message boards : Number crunching : Welcome to the 15 year Club (Message 1701415)
Posted 14 Jul 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
It must of been another 15yr thread that I posted in 6mths ago.

Cheers.

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=75627&postid=1621937#1621937
1288) Message boards : Number crunching : I'm not sure if this thread is in the right section but anyhow! (Message 1701032)
Posted 13 Jul 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Speaking of acronyms, what does "pfb splitter" mean?

I know it is the MutiBeam splitter, but what does pfb stand for?

polyphase filter bank
1289) Message boards : Number crunching : Anything relating to AstroPulse tasks (Message 1700380)
Posted 11 Jul 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Really? Is Astropulse so rare? I have picked up 72 since July 3rd. What is the attraction? That is actually a serious question. I don't know much (or anything?) about the WUs.

Much more Credit per WU on AP than MB... :-) So, because of the AP shortage, we've all become greedy little AP hoarders when they are sent out. ;-)


TL

Personally I like AP on my faster machines over MB so they can have more then a few hours of CPU cache. On my i5-4670K's 100 MB tasks running 4 at a time comes to about 20 hours worth of work.
1290) Message boards : Number crunching : My Computer Builds And Other Projects (Message 1700173)
Posted 10 Jul 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Ok I did something, I took a pic of the ram, all 16GB of Corsair Vengeance 1866MHz ram, yep I used the phone, I don't know yet if the phone has any camera flash setting or not, so I experimented, this one was the best.
[IMG ]http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n107/JokerCPoC/EVGA%20X79%20Classified/Corsair-Vengeance1866%20006_zpsemz8bptn.jpg[/IMG]

If Samsung used the same interface on that phone then I would imagine the camera app looks something like this http://i.imgur.com/ZC92xCB.png. Tapping the gear icon would let you go into the first level menu to toggle the flash modes from off, on, & auto. Then while that is open tapping the gear icon again, or using the menu button on the phone would open the advanced menu options. Where you can adjust further camera settings like white balance.

I found out, that there is no camera flash on the Galaxy series, this was to make a thin phone, so the camera(there are 2, a 1.3mp and a 5.0mp, supposedly, I've only been able to use the larger one), so the Canon a540 will do any interior shots for the foreseeable future, but then it can be done, in a flash.

Galaxy series is the name Samsung uses for all of their tablets & phones. Looking at a review for the Galaxy Ring does show it has a flash. I have yet to ever use the front facing camera on my Galaxy S4 for anything other than "oh look the front camera works".
I have a nice 16MP Nikon camera I rarely use at 16MP. Since images at that size are to large to reasonably use on the internet.

Either camera should be good for pics of your builds however the review for the phone did state "This 5-megapixel camera took surprisingly poor photos."
1291) Message boards : Number crunching : Signal Discovered ? Anyone Know What's Happening ? (Message 1700151)
Posted 10 Jul 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
If there is an actual announcement from Berkeley I would expect it to be from here: https://seti.berkeley.edu/

Not from site which has articles like "16 Conspiracy Theories That Turned Out To Be True" & uses a source with articles like "600 pound woman gives birth to 40 pound baby".

EDIT: How we will be notified. https://youtu.be/skhDicuJCwk?t=240
1292) Message boards : Number crunching : Anything relating to AstroPulse tasks (Message 1700150)
Posted 10 Jul 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Admit it Grumps - the servers just don't like you

(Who said computers don't have feelings?)

Well yeah. I can't deny what I see, and there's certainly no love between my GTX980, my CPU, and the scheduling servers.

It goes both ways though of course.

The F-word comes to mind for some reason.... :-)

I can thing of a few f-words as well.

Most of my machine generally have the same luck getting work. Out of 5 i7-860's 4 are at their queue limit with 1 sitting at 85.
1293) Message boards : Number crunching : My Computer Builds And Other Projects (Message 1700145)
Posted 10 Jul 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Ok I did something, I took a pic of the ram, all 16GB of Corsair Vengeance 1866MHz ram, yep I used the phone, I don't know yet if the phone has any camera flash setting or not, so I experimented, this one was the best.
[IMG ]http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n107/JokerCPoC/EVGA%20X79%20Classified/Corsair-Vengeance1866%20006_zpsemz8bptn.jpg[/IMG]

If Samsung used the same interface on that phone then I would imagine the camera app looks something like this http://i.imgur.com/ZC92xCB.png. Tapping the gear icon would let you go into the first level menu to toggle the flash modes from off, on, & auto. Then while that is open tapping the gear icon again, or using the menu button on the phone would open the advanced menu options. Where you can adjust further camera settings like white balance.
1294) Message boards : Number crunching : Show and tell your machine. Here's mine. (Message 1700143)
Posted 10 Jul 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
This is my main cruncher:

[img ]http://sliderulemuseum.com/AbaciEphemera/RomanHandAbacusReplica_PhotoFromJoernLuetjensOnLineMuseum.jpg[/img]

It looks like it is made out of chocolate. I might be hungry...
1295) Message boards : Number crunching : restarting WU (Message 1699971)
Posted 9 Jul 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Is there a way to restart a WU from the beginning that sits waiting in a slot?

There are ways to reset a task to start it over if you really want to, but it involves editing files such as your client_state.xml. Which could cause BOINC to dump all of your work if you make a mistake.
1296) Message boards : Number crunching : Welcome to the 15 year Club (Message 1699968)
Posted 9 Jul 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Here is the previous thread
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=75017&postid=1535333#1535333

That's why I couldn't find it....
I was searching for 'welcome'.
Perhaps the mods could merge the two under this title, keeping it in form with the 14 and 16 year versions. Or we can just carry on from here.

Thanks, Lynn and HAL9000.

For searching purposes it would be nice if we could use at least a partial common naming convention. "xx year club" at a minimum I would think.

Perhaps a link to the previous xx year thread when a new ones is made would be good. Then the mods don't have to as much shuffling?

Or we could shift to an anniversary thread like the milestones thread. Where new ones are made just to keep the length down.
1297) Message boards : Number crunching : Welcome to the 15 year club. (Message 1699952)
Posted 9 Jul 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Here is the previous thread
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=75017&postid=1535333#1535333
1298) Message boards : Number crunching : inconclusive for months ? (Message 1699945)
Posted 9 Jul 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Since you didn't specify the actual task in question I can only guess that it might be one of these two from May.
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/workunit.php?wuid=1797077765
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/workunit.php?wuid=1798901634

Tasks will stay pending/inconclusive until there are at least 2 matching results or enough errors to mark the wu as bad. It it not uncommon to have tasks waiting for 6+ months.

The number of spikes in a result doesn't indicate anything in itself.
1299) Message boards : Number crunching : SETI & MW on one NV GPU simultaneously? (Message 1699925)
Posted 9 Jul 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I'm sorry... it looks like I didn't used correct words...

I meant the resource share of/at/between projects.

- - - - - - - - - -

Example: at SETI I use 1000000.
At Milkyway I use 0.

The MW app 'GPU Load' is just ~50%.
If a SETI WU is available in BOINC, it run the SETI or the MW app/WU, not both simultaneously.

Also if no SETI WU is in BOINC, BOINC let run just 1 MW WU on the NV GT730.
BOINC don't ask for more (2 WUs/GPU) WUs.

I set 0.0001 project resource share in BOINC for MW, BOINC downloaded immediately 12 CPU and 45 GPU WUs.

Is there maybe a way to let run project resource share 0 and BOINC let run 2 Milkyway WUs simultaneously (maybe via cc_config.xml file or something)?

Maybe the smallest resource share (which will be used from Milkyway) is 1.0E-100? ;-)

Thanks.

Have you tried setting resource share for both projects to 0? I'm at least 72% sure that will not work like you want either, but perhaps it may.
I think you may need to use <max_concurrent>1</max_concurrent> with <plan_class>mt</plan_class> in your app_config.xml to get what you would like. However I'm not sure that those two options can be used together.
1300) Message boards : Number crunching : Anything relating to AstroPulse tasks (Message 1699923)
Posted 9 Jul 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Did you install a new driver ?
According to the output a recompile was performed after a task restart:

state.fold_buf_size_short=65536; state.fold_buf_size_long=262144
INFO: can't open binary kernel file: C:\ProgramData\BOINC/projects/setiathome.berkeley.edu\AstroPulse_Kernels_r2737.cl_IntelRHDGraphics4000.bin_V7_TWIN_FFA_1018104226, continue with recompile...
Info : Building Program (binary, clBuildProgram):main kernels: OK code 0

Maybe there is something wrong with this new driver ???

Tom

Sorry, wrong link.
This is the one
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/workunit.php?wuid=1828604364

All of their other tasks look relatively normal & are also using the v4226 driver. The "Number of app instances per device set to:3" does give me pause.
Another issue I see at the moment is that host is currently not reporting that it has an iGPU to BOINC. Only a GT 720M.
1301) Message boards : Number crunching : AMD CPU tips (Message 1699885)
Posted 9 Jul 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
HA, had no idea I would find this thread. I have an AMD FX-8350 (4300mhz)burning though work units at about three hours apiece. How does that compare to your Intel chip? Just curious really. I also have am AMD R9 280X burning through units at <30minutes regularly, getting ready to add another in X-Fire. Anyhow, I'm not an Intel or Apple basher, to each his own. Good Crunching guys!

(10,600RAC)currently...

Ok, I'll bite. :-D

Both my i5 rigs (both running @3.4GHz) do MB's in, VHAR's in 25-30mins, mid-range units in 55-75mins and VLAR's in 85-95mins while AP's average 5.5hrs, and that's while each CPU is also feeding 6 MB workunits at a time to their 2 (3570K) or 3 (2500K) GPU's (but 2500K needs a free core to drive its 3rd GPU, also my GPU's only do MB work, AP's are CPU only here).

In the meantime, while those i5 CPU's are doing that, they're using at least 40% less power than you're FX-8350 is while doing its thing, plus both of my rigs also serve me as my daily drivers so they must also be very snappy in their use (as I need/require them to be). :-)

I service all sorts of PC's here every week so I also know what other Intel and AMD setups perform like so I'm extremely experienced in each platform's pro's and con's which is why Intel has been my personal selection of platform hardware for this decade. AMD was for the previous 2, but they'll really need to do some serious work on their platform before I waste good $'s to build myself another 1 (the Intel power savings alone soon negates the cheaper AMD starting price point in my wallet).

Maybe the rumored AMD FX replacement might convince me otherwise (if it lives up to the promises and rumors about it). ;-)

I'd also like to point out that your FX-8350 rig with its R9 280X would use about the same amount of power as my 3570K rig with its 2 GTX 660's, you can look at its RAC easily enough here.

I'm sorry if I've blown any bubbles here, but facts are facts. :-O

Cheers.

You hit most of the things I had also mentioned comparing the two.

I think the main idea of this thread was more to indicate how to make the best use of AMD CPUs. I suppose like the differences between NV & ATI GPUs. Either will work fine for STI@home, but NV are better at MB & ATI are better at AP. When speaking of equivalent GPUs.
Several of the CPU tuning tips listed in the OP were things I had to figure out by trial and error on the one AMD system I have at work.
1302) Message boards : Number crunching : threefold validation (Message 1699553)
Posted 8 Jul 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hi folks!

I noticed WU 1833335409 received 3 valid results, although the two hosts 7261736 and 6782743 supplied results within their deadlines, so at first glance I don't see a reason why to send the WU out to a third host. I'm not quite sure, but this WU could have been in my validation inconclusive folder for some time, so maybe the first two results differed above some numerical threshold and the third result validated both by being inbetween the other two? Any comments on this?

It is likely that the first two failed to validate because they were not "strongly similar", but with the third result they all validated due to being "weakly similar".

With the various apps/hardware we do get different rounding & precision values. So this tends to occur from time to time.
AstroPulse v7 Windows x86 rev 2721 Nvidia
AstroPulse v7 Windows x86 rev 2737 Nvidia
AstroPulse v7 Windows x64 rev 2692 CPU
1303) (Message 1699490)
Posted 8 Jul 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
This should probably be included here as well.
Q&A: What is the status of the NTPCkr? https://youtu.be/7uz1YUuE810
1304) Message boards : News : The challenges of funding SETI (Message 1699487)
Posted 8 Jul 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Someone needs to Explain, in A Video, or 'Paper', why Anyone should 'Donate' Precious Monies and Time to A Project.......
......
......
TIME FOR NO FUNDS. How 'bout Dat?

Didn't you donate yourself recently??

They posted nearly the same exact message, which is now hidden, in Mark's funding drive post. Then proceeded to make a donation. I'm honestly not sure if they are trying to troll or what they are doing. Thankfully we have message filtering.
1305) Message boards : Number crunching : AMD CPU tips (Message 1699171)
Posted 7 Jul 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
BWAAHHHAHHAAHAAhahahaaaa!!!!.... I hope I don't let the smoke out...

Letting the smoke out is fine. So long as you capture all of it and put it back where it came from.
1306) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (98) Server Problems? (Message 1699169)
Posted 7 Jul 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/gpu_list.php

this is what I got

The following lists show the most productive GPU models on different platforms. Relative speeds, measured by average elapsed time of tasks, are shown in parentheses. Notice: Trying to get property of non-object in /disks/carolyn/b/home/boincadm/projects/sah/html/user/gpu_list.php on line 208
NVIDIA
Notice: Trying to get property of non-object in /disks/carolyn/b/home/boincadm/projects/sah/html/user/gpu_list.php on line 175 No GPU tasks reported Notice: Trying to get property of non-object in /disks/carolyn/b/home/boincadm/projects/sah/html/user/gpu_list.php on line 209
ATI/AMD
Notice: Trying to get property of non-object in /disks/carolyn/b/home/boincadm/projects/sah/html/user/gpu_list.php on line 175 No GPU tasks reported Notice: Trying to get property of non-object in /disks/carolyn/b/home/boincadm/projects/sah/html/user/gpu_list.php on line 210
Intel
Notice: Trying to get property of non-object in /disks/carolyn/b/home/boincadm/projects/sah/html/user/gpu_list.php on line 175 No GPU tasks reported Notice: Trying to get property of non-object in /disks/carolyn/b/home/boincadm/projects/sah/html/user/gpu_list.php on line 211

Generated --- 

And the noticed at the top:
Notice: unserialize(): Error at offset 24625 of 45995 bytes in /disks/carolyn/b/home/boincadm/projects/sah/html/user/gpu_list.php on line 200

A PHP error normally indicating something is corrupt.
1307) Message boards : Number crunching : AMD CPU tips (Message 1699126)
Posted 6 Jul 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
[quote]I think <cpu_usage>0.04</cpu_usage> under <name>setiathome_v7</name> should be at least <cpu_usage>0.33</cpu_usage> for the opencl_ati apps.


Joe Segur created this app_config.xml for me about a year ago. It has been working fine; and all my MBs validate; both on Exeter, (GTX-760), and Prometheus, (GTX-750 TI), so it should be fine.


TL

Yes. you use Nvidia GPUs. Which run CUDA for setiathome_v7. Louis is using ATI GPUs which uses OpenCL to run setathome_7. Comparing apples to potatoes there.

Sorry, I thought both types of cards could handle the ".04 CPU Usage". I stand corrected. :-)

TL


Apples to potatoes in that CUDA doesn't use much CPU overhead like OpenCL seems to. The use of -cpu_lock can sometimes be used in place of reserving a CPU core/thread. Depending on the system. For AP tasks on my ATI GPUs I don't have to reserve a CPU core/thread when using -cpu_lock, but for MB I do need to reserve a core/thread.
1308) Message boards : Number crunching : AMD CPU tips (Message 1699119)
Posted 6 Jul 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
[quote]I think <cpu_usage>0.04</cpu_usage> under <name>setiathome_v7</name> should be at least <cpu_usage>0.33</cpu_usage> for the opencl_ati apps.


Joe Segur created this app_config.xml for me about a year ago. It has been working fine; and all my MBs validate; both on Exeter, (GTX-760), and Prometheus, (GTX-750 TI), so it should be fine.


TL

Yes. you use Nvidia GPUs. Which run CUDA for setiathome_v7. Louis is using ATI GPUs which uses OpenCL to run setathome_7. Comparing apples to potatoes there.
1309) Message boards : Number crunching : AMD CPU tips (Message 1699115)
Posted 6 Jul 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
app_config.xml file:

--------------------------------------------------------------------

<app_config>
<app>
<name>astropulse_v7</name>
<max_concurrent>3</max_concurrent>
<gpu_versions>
<gpu_usage>.34</gpu_usage>
<cpu_usage>.5</cpu_usage>
</gpu_versions>
</app>
<app>
<name>setiathome_v7</name>
<max_concurrent>3</max_concurrent>
<gpu_versions>
<gpu_usage>0.33</gpu_usage>
<cpu_usage>0.04</cpu_usage>
</gpu_versions>
</app>
</app_config>

-------------------------- End app_config.xml -----------------------------

Folders --> View Hidden

Files --> View all extensions/Unhide extensions


Create with Notepad; Save As --> app_config.xml --> Choose ANSI for file type, and save. It will prompt you asking if you really want to save as ANSI, select "Yes".

Save file in BOINC --> Projects --> setiathome.berkeley.edu (Folder)

Done.


TL

NOTE: The above app_config.xml file will allow SETI to crunch 3 MB WUs at a time, or 2 MBs and 1 AP at a time.

I think <cpu_usage>0.04</cpu_usage> under <name>setiathome_v7</name> should be at least <cpu_usage>0.33</cpu_usage> for the opencl_ati apps.
1310) Message boards : Number crunching : AMD CPU tips (Message 1699113)
Posted 6 Jul 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
AAHHHhh... I was under the impression I could run multiple WUs on a single GPU, usefully of course. I appreciate the insight. I have just ordered a matching GPU, the very same model (hard to find). I have read that Crossfire may cause problems, however, I don't need crossfire for Seti and I don't need it for the single video game I play occasionally, Hawken. It already plays at ultra settings. I'll check back when I have the new GPU. Peace!

The reason to run more than 1 task at a time on a GPU is because on mid to high end GPUs a single application instance does not make full use of it. Sometimes only 30 to 40%. Then running 2-3 instances will make full use of of the GPU. If you use an application like GPUz then you can see how much use of your GPU a single instance is using.

This is an example of one of my HD 6870s running 1 AP task. The GPU load runs 95-99% so that GPU does not have any overhead to run a 2nd task. Some say if the GPU is already over 80% then 1 task.


Given that your R9 280X is at least twice at powerful as an older HD 6870 I would hazard a guess that 2 at time would be no sweat for it.

What I was mentioning is that the iGPU(Intel GPU) you were showing the configuration for is not that powerful. It will already be working at full tilt with just 1 task.

Also. When adding or changing config settings in the .xml files for BOINC you will either need to use the "read config file" menu option or restart BOINC for the new settings to take effect.
1311) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (98) Server Problems? (Message 1699092)
Posted 6 Jul 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I am going to assume that boinc.berkeley.edu suddenly being offline as well is unrelated.

It isn't down for me at this time, but I have seen database errors, and pages claiming the whole thing was down. Then 2 seconds later it would load normally. Something or someone is hitting the domain hard, has been doing that for a couple of days now.

I've seen the site hiccup before. It had been down for a while & the eternal site places were indicating it was down as well.
1312) Message boards : Number crunching : AMD CPU tips (Message 1699091)
Posted 6 Jul 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
<count>.5</count> was <count>1</count> in all instances I could find. I doesn't seem to have changed anything. Any suggestions are appreciated.

Well first I would start by saying that running more than one instance on your iGPU isn't going do you anything for you, but it may prove an interesting exercise.

Secondly there is a newer more user friendly way to change the number of instances per device that doesn't rely on an app_info.xml.
You can create an app_config.xml. Then your settings are in place when you change the the latest lunatics version & you don't have to hunt through your app_info.xml looking for each instance of <count> to change.
1313) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (98) Server Problems? (Message 1699056)
Posted 6 Jul 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Uh, oh...
I see the SSP has not updated in over an hour, and the loading of stats seems to be crawling again.

I am going to assume that boinc.berkeley.edu suddenly being offline as well is unrelated.
1314) Message boards : Number crunching : TIME FOR A NEW FUND DRIVE. (Message 1699030)
Posted 6 Jul 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Oddly enough one of their "worthless cheesy videos" answers your question.
Funding SETI
1315) Message boards : Number crunching : Bad News on BOINC funding (Message 1699026)
Posted 6 Jul 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
...but until you've produced anything as coherent as a complete client that works flawlessly with 50+ projects and their applications and the BOINC back-end (no matter how old), do you really feel you have the right to demand anything? ...


And there's the thing with the described approach. The stakeholders (customers, users, projects, other developers) have needs, and aren't necessarily all developers or coders.

You keep and acquire more customers by addressing their (true) needs. Some will step forward and complain (Kudos to them), some will vote with their feet (Kudos to them too), and some will just be not worth keeping as customers [they do exist but are surprisingly rare].

Pretending stakeholders (including yourself) don't have rights, or don't have options, or their (even trivial or annoying) needs aren't important, doesn't make sense for a bank or a brand of footwear, and to me makes even less sense for a community driven and supposedly open endeavour.

There's a great sales training video called 'Give 'em the pickle', probably on youtube [It is, just checked, by Bob Farrell]. It's worth a watch.


I think a good example of what you are saying here is my view towards BOINC when it came out. I didn't care for it while doing the BOINC Alpha test prior to it being released. It felt like a lot of input from us testers/users was being ignored. Then it was released & I still didn't care for it. So I stuck with classic SETI@home until it was completely shut off. Then around 2009 I felt BOINC had finally developed to a point where I would use it.
Shortly after that I figured I would get back into the Alpha testing again to help with BOINC development. However I found that the devs had basically abandoned that & only wished to do everything via the alpha e-mail list. Which as someone that has been a test engineer for ~17 years is a pretty dreadful way to run something.
1316) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (98) Server Problems? (Message 1698961)
Posted 6 Jul 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
How the hell can this validate?

Stderr output
<core_client_version>7.4.42</core_client_version>
<![CDATA[
<stderr_txt>

</stderr_txt>
]]>


http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/workunit.php?wuid=1819553789

I have more than a few tasks doing this

And I haven't figured out yet why I'm shooting blanks on MB GPU tasks :(([/url]

To answer your question. SETI@home result data is separate from stderr_txt.
1317) Message boards : Number crunching : SETI/BOINC Milestones [ v2.0 ] - XXIX (Message 1698725)
Posted 5 Jul 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Well that's 140 million big ones, and some zeros, in the bag for me.

One more step closer to that toaster!
1318) Message boards : Number crunching : Why the diff on BOINC CPU Benchmarks? (Message 1698637)
Posted 5 Jul 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The 2 computers you have on the seti list are NOT the same. So expect different results.


I know that, but the difference strikes me as too large for just that. Unless the benchmark forces use of RAM, I can't see where that would make a significant difference. But then they wouldn't be good CPU benchmarks.

Same CPU and likely same Intel chipsets, right?

The only purpose of the BOINC benchmark is to get a rough idea of the processor speed to know how much work to request. Beyond that it can be ignored. I let BOINC runs it's initial benchmark to set everything that it needs & then run with benchmarks disabled after that.
1319) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (98) Server Problems? (Message 1698546)
Posted 4 Jul 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I was wondering. The ati-nocal and ati5-nocal. I have been getting storms of them. They are short to very short. Is SETI trying for a quick turn around on these type of wu's?

There are no ati-nocal and ati5-nocal wus. Only tasks marked as ati-nocal and ati5-nocal after you ask the server for work. We often get groups of VHAR tasks or "shortie storms". Pretty standard things. Unless your GPU is having errors and just trashing all of the task it gets, but looking over your tasks they are just VHARs. So nothing to worry about.

Those tasks at true angle range 0.408901 aren't VHARs, http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/results.php?hostid=7368710&offset=80
He's just having a hard time believing his card is working Sooo much better than before, http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/result.php?resultid=4175896531

The New App r2929 is Much better than the old r1831, but, I'm having a hard time believing it's that much better. Perhaps his recent repairs helped a little.
Anyway, it's good to see his card working the way it's suppose to. Hopefully CreditFew will realize an AR of 0.408901 should be scoring around 100 credits before too much longer.


Well since you know exactly which tasks I was looking at when they mentioned they are running "very short tasks". Why not look at the same ones I did.
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/result.php?resultid=4248289513
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/result.php?resultid=4248212965
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/result.php?resultid=4248212969
1320) Message boards : Number crunching : AMD CPU tips (Message 1698544)
Posted 4 Jul 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
HA, had no idea I would find this thread. I have an AMD FX-8350 (4300mhz)burning though work units at about three hours apiece. How does that compare to your Intel chip? Just curious really. I also have am AMD R9 280X burning through units at <30minutes regularly, getting ready to add another in X-Fire. Anyhow, I'm not an Intel or Apple basher, to each his own. Good Crunching guys!

(10,600RAC)currently...

Are you running more than 1 task at a time on your 280X? I would have expected much faster times as my HD 6870 runs about 35 min for MB tasks. The 280X is, on paper, about 1.5 times faster than the HD6870.

Also when running SETI@home you will most likely need to disable crossfire. Unless something has changed in the newer drivers or with the newer GPUs. When I ran both of my 6870's in crossfire about a year ago to see what would happen it just trashed work.

Since you ask for times here is a sampling from some of the various machines I run. Most are running at their factory clock speeds.
i7-860's @ 2.8GHz:
Doing 8 MB at a time runs about 3.5 hours for normal AR tasks. Which comes to about 55 tasks a day.
i5-4670's @ 3.4GHz:
Doing 4 MB at a time runs about 1 hour for normal AR tasks. Which comes to about 96 tasks a day.
i5-3470 @ 3.2GHz:
Doing 4 MB at a time runs about 1.5 hours for normal AR tasks. Which comes to about 64 tasks a day.
Athlon 64 X2 5400+ overclocked @ 3GHz:
Doing 2 MB at a time runs about 3.5 hours for normal AR tasks. Which comes to about 14 tasks a day.

Based on the 3 hour time you stated your FX-8350 is roughly on par with an i5-3470. Which matches the charts that various online review sites publish with their CPU reviews.
Oddly enough the MSRP of the chips FX-8350 $195 & i5-3470 $184. However some quick price checks, amazon & google, come up with the FX-8350 selling for about $165 & the i5-3470 for about $200. A good feature rich mobo for either runs $100-140. So no cost savings in the mobo. Both setups can use the same memory so no advantage to anyone there. So at this point it is about $45 in favor of AMD.
Next power usage should be mentioned. Given that SETI@home users often at the type to leave their systems running flat out 24/7 that is what I am going to base the power usage number on. Your mileage may vary.

The FX-8350 is listed with a TDP of 125W & the i5-3470 is listed with a TDP of 77W. Just using the 48W difference between the TDP ratings that comes to 420 KW/h a year more to run the FX-8350. I average $0.185 per KW/h. So for me that would cost $77.70 more a year to run the FX-8350. Based solely on the TDP numbers. The FX-8350 would cost me about $32 more in the first year alone.
The actual difference under load based on the numbers provided by reviewers is closer to 70W or about 613 KW/h a year, or about $113 for me. So for me, based on the math of overall cost, there is a clear winner.
That doesn't account for any extra work your A/C or heating system may or may not need to do.
Also if you are building a cruncher to only run GPUs then I would mostly likely factor the idle CPU usage to determine cost.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6396/the-vishera-review-amd-fx8350-fx8320-fx6300-and-fx4300-tested
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/fx-8350-vishera-review,3328.html
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/piledriver-k10-cpu-overclocking,3584.html

The AMD APUs I do find interesting. I see their main advantage being the built in GPU. Which pretty much decimates the current iGPUs.
1321) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (98) Server Problems? (Message 1698515)
Posted 4 Jul 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I was wondering. The ati-nocal and ati5-nocal. I have been getting storms of them. They are short to very short. Is SETI trying for a quick turn around on these type of wu's?

There are no ati-nocal and ati5-nocal wus. Only tasks marked as ati-nocal and ati5-nocal after you ask the server for work. We often get groups of VHAR tasks or "shortie storms". Pretty standard things. Unless your GPU is having errors and just trashing all of the task it gets, but looking over your tasks they are just VHARs. So nothing to worry about.
1322) Message boards : Number crunching : Bad News on BOINC funding (Message 1698294)
Posted 3 Jul 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
While the news on funding isn't good. This isn't on the whole bad news.

Having community driven development structure has been shown to work pretty well in several software development projects. I imagine it may time some time for others to become failure with the server side of BOINC. Given that, other than the BOINC devs, only project admins & the curious would have bothered to look under the hood.
1323) Message boards : Number crunching : FIFO? (Message 1698196)
Posted 3 Jul 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Richard, I wouldn't even think of saying I know more about BOINC or the background than you!

It was just a suggestion, brainstorming is never a bad idea.

Absolutely - have at it, the more the merrier. But it's going to have to be very short, very clear, and translatable.

Things like that are a pain to solve. I've run into that several times at work. As our software/firmware gets translated into 40 or so languages.
Having an option to enable/disable the message "high priority" seem like it would be a good solution, but then some people will turn it on. Then once again start shouting then same thing or "BOINC is hiding that projects are sending out tasks as high priority... blah blah blah".
Perhaps a flag such as "deadline imminent" would be vaguely ambiguous enough not to worry those that don't understand what is actually happening, but be a useful message to those that do know. As removing any type of indication to users or project admins will make things like debugging issues a complete pain.
1324) Message boards : Number crunching : Ridiculously low GPU scores assigned (Message 1698186)
Posted 3 Jul 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
OK I can understand that there can be some deviation and up to 75% less credit is no problem for any truthful volunteer, but a factor of >99% is simply too great. This hurts Seti@home as some users will abandon the project simply for better boincstat scores.

Well those that are after useless made up point may do that, but many users of SETI@home are here for the science to find ETI.
1325) Message boards : Number crunching : Anything relating to AstroPulse tasks (Message 1698183)
Posted 3 Jul 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thanks hal,

I thought that page was suppose to show performance by device, and not per work unit.

So it's basically useless numbers.

Well it is titled "Application details for host". Then displayed each type of application separately. For GPU comparison you only need to know how many instances someone is running on their device. Average processing rate * instances. Same with the CPU as well. Where instances may or may not be equal to the number of cores/thread the CPU has.
1326) Message boards : Number crunching : Anything relating to AstroPulse tasks (Message 1698018)
Posted 3 Jul 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Question for Zal,

Were you running smaller cards in that computer before? In the last 2 months since it was created? And your average hasn't calculated yet?

The reason I ask is because you show 500 GFLOPS with titans, my 750Ti's show 400 GFLOPS (on AP)

If those are the real performance numbers ... I couldn't justify the price of titans.

Running multiple instances will reflect a lower Average processing rate than running only 1 instance.
1327) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (98) Server Problems? (Message 1697949)
Posted 3 Jul 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Here's a thing to panic about, the IPv4 addresses are nearing EOA (end of availability) in the USA. ARIN Activates IPv4 Unmet Requests Policy:

ARIN (American Registry for Internet Numbers) activated the IPv4 Unmet Requests policy (NRPM 4.1.8) this week with the approval of an address request that was larger than the available inventory in the regional IPv4 free pool.

ARIN does still have limited amounts of IPv4 address space available in smaller block sizes. We encourage customers to monitor the IPv4 Inventory Counter on the ARIN homepage and the breakdown of the remaining IPv4 inventory found on our IPv4 Depletion page.

Organizations that need larger amounts of address space are encouraged to make use of the IPv4 transfer market for those needs. ARIN also reminds organizations of the ample availability of IPv6 address space, and encourages organizations to evaluate IPv6 address space for their ongoing public Internet network activities.

But then, IPv6 may require new hardware, new software etc. AKA $$$$$$$$ a company may not want to spend at this time.

I thought we, in the US, ran out of IPv4 addresses 2 years ago. Not that it should effect SETI@home. Unless Berkeley, or hurricane electric, decides to give up some of their addresses in favor of switching to IPv6.

The worst case scenario would be hurricane switching the IP leased to SETI@home & Berkeley not having the equipment to route IPv6 to the colo. However I imagine they are already running new enough equipment given how long ago enterprise level devices were updates to handle IPv6.
1328) Message boards : Number crunching : 'rm -rf *' considered harmful (Message 1697909)
Posted 2 Jul 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
It's fine. There is no rush. It leaves a bit of work for the rest of us. :)
Cheers, mate, shall I leave it until Monday then?

Either is fine for me. I left work for the holiday weekend & forgot to flip a few machines on myself.
1329) Message boards : Number crunching : 'rm -rf *' considered harmful (Message 1697875)
Posted 2 Jul 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I can't actually crunch on the machine at present, the server-room A/C failed yesterday so I shut down all S@H jobs so we can do our "work" work without reaching harmful temperatures.

I met a service tech in the lift on my way out tonight -- he'd just replaced the faulty thermistor in the A/C unit, so I'll see if I can start bringing up background S@H jobs on all the servers again tomorrow (I have been running just on one that's designated as my "personal" development machine), without overloading the system. My RAC is starting to take a beating...

It's fine. There is no rush. It leaves a bit of work for the rest of us. :)
1330) Message boards : Number crunching : Bionic crahing laptop and not running? (Message 1697872)
Posted 2 Jul 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I'm running windows 7 and bionic 7.4.42

Over the past two weeks when my screen saver kicks-on it has either crashed my laptop or just gives the "usage to high" message. I've combed the boards, but people with similar problems have been directed here. So, is this a known problem and what can be done to fix it? Thanks.

The "usage to high" is likely a result of the Suspend when non-BOINC CPU usage is above setting in your BOINC computing preferences. IIRC the default setting is 25%. If you have something that runs in the background & uses a lot of CPU usage it could prevent BOINC from running much of the time. You could raise that value to 50-75%, or even disable the setting if you wanted BOINC to runs apps all of the time.

As far as crashing more information would be required. Is it BOINC, Windows, or just the application that is crashing? Then is it the CPU or the GPU crashing.
1331) Message boards : Number crunching : Why is my card so slow? (GTX750) (Message 1697757)
Posted 2 Jul 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Good morning folks!

I always thought that use_sleep on Nvidia cards doesn't make much difference in runtime. If it really does, why would most ppl recommend it?

@Hal: That's interresting, I didn't check the averages. But, with our machines beeing similar there (when taking into account that he just runs one task a time while I run two) how the hell can he get so much performance on this particular task?

BTW everybody: I don't complain about my card, I like it a lot. I'm just trying to understand things better so I can get the max out of it.

I did find the SETI@home performance of my HD6870 went up considerably when I upgraded form a Core 2 Duo E8400 to a i5-4670K. I'm not sure which aspect of the newer system cause the increase. The CPU clock moving from 3.0GHz to 3.4GHz does not seem like it would be enough, at least not alone, to account for the GPU performance increase.

Fewer overheads when context switching?

Could be. I was going to setup the C2D & do some testing until I killed its MB.
1332) Message boards : Number crunching : Bionic crahing laptop and not running? (Message 1697720)
Posted 2 Jul 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
You shouldn't be running SETI@Home on a laptop. Period!

It's utterly wrong.
SETI@home GPU apps developed on netbook, just FYI.
Any computational device can be used provided user of device have some will to solve issues that may appear on some.


+100

maybe not 24/7 but fine otherwise 16/7

OK well just don't tell mt 2 notebooks that run 24/7 that.
1333) Message boards : Number crunching : Why is my card so slow? (GTX750) (Message 1697719)
Posted 2 Jul 2015 by Profile HAL9000
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Good morning folks!

I always thought that use_sleep on Nvidia cards doesn't make much difference in runtime. If it really does, why would most ppl recommend it?

@Hal: That's interresting, I didn't check the averages. But, with our machines beeing similar there (when taking into account that he just runs one task a time while I run two) how the hell can he get so much performance on this particular task?

BTW everybody: I don't complain about my card, I like it a lot. I'm just trying to understand things better so I can get the max out of it.

I did find the SETI@home performance of my HD6870 went up considerably when I upgraded form a Core 2 Duo E8400 to a i5-4670K. I'm not sure which aspect of the newer system cause the increase. The CPU clock moving from 3.0GHz to 3.4GHz does not seem like it would be enough, at least not alone, to account for the GPU performance increase.
1334) Message boards : Number crunching : SETI/BOINC Milestones [ v2.0 ] - XXIX (Message 1697487)
Posted 1 Jul 2015 by Profile HAL9000
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Just hit 25Million for Seti.

Nothing like your first 25 mil!
1335) Message boards : Number crunching : Anything relating to AstroPulse tasks (Message 1697452)
Posted 1 Jul 2015 by Profile HAL9000
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Geeze, they're adding AP files to the splitters as if there were no tomorrow :-)

Maybe they are taking a 4 day weekend for the holiday. I only get a 3 day weekend from my work.
1336) Message boards : Number crunching : Why is my card so slow? (GTX750) (Message 1697451)
Posted 1 Jul 2015 by Profile HAL9000
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Here's another one:

https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/workunit.php?wuid=1833332701

I just don't get it. Yes, it's a ti and he's probably just running 1 task at a time but still there shouldn't be that much difference. Look at the device peak, it's 582 GFLOPS for me and 2183 (!!) GFLOPS for my wingman. WTF? Can't be oc'd that much, can it? He also seems to use an older version of the AP app.

Well if you look at the task run times
Run time 	CPU time
5,642.90 	104.90 	 	You
1,951.03 	1,946.46 	Them

With 99.765% of the task run time being done by the CPU. It would seem their CPU is faster then the GPU they are trying to use.

EDIT: Looking at the MB run times for both machines they are similar for normal AR tasks. With 800-1500 seconds run time.


The main difference is that the faster one, is not using sleep (Sleep() & wait for event loops disabled). The slower one is using sleep (Sleep() & wait for event loops will be used in some places) , which lowers CPU usage, but makes the tasks take a lot longer.

Edit: OpenCL on Nvidia, takes a full CPU core per task, unless you are using the -use_sleep command. And using -use_sleep will punish you with susbstantially longer run times.

Ah yes. The 100% CPU thing on NV cards. I forget about that sometimes.
1337) Message boards : Number crunching : Why is my card so slow? (GTX750) (Message 1697440)
Posted 1 Jul 2015 by Profile HAL9000
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Here's another one:

https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/workunit.php?wuid=1833332701

I just don't get it. Yes, it's a ti and he's probably just running 1 task at a time but still there shouldn't be that much difference. Look at the device peak, it's 582 GFLOPS for me and 2183 (!!) GFLOPS for my wingman. WTF? Can't be oc'd that much, can it? He also seems to use an older version of the AP app.

Well if you look at the task run times
Run time 	CPU time
5,642.90 	104.90 	 	Your machine
1,951.03 	1,946.46 	Their machine

With 99.765% of the task run time being done by the CPU. It would seem their CPU is faster then the GPU they are trying to use.

EDIT: Looking at the MB run times for both machines they are similar for normal AR tasks. With 800-1500 seconds run time.
Also looking at the Average processing rate for the two machines. You are likely running twice as many tasks at once as they are.
AstroPulse v7	SETI@home v7
398.68 GFLOPS	104.43 GFLOPS	Your machine
819.38 GFLOPS	203.57 GFLOPS	Their machine
1338) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (98) Server Problems? (Message 1697400)
Posted 1 Jul 2015 by Profile HAL9000
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And a 3rd new dataset has joined the fray and is splitting off APs.....

Let the party continue!!
Meowza!

Must be slipping in some more work in honor of Canada Day, or maybe because of the holiday weekend.
1339) Message boards : Number crunching : Expanding my knowledge ;-) (Message 1697342)
Posted 1 Jul 2015 by Profile HAL9000
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I have a pc ( ID: 7531262 ), an Intel Atom 330 with Nvidia ION gpu. It just crunches, albeit slowly , in the background. However, I would have thought it would have 200 tasks, 100 for cpu, 100 fot gpu, but it currently only has 81. I have seen more, but never more that about 110. All attempts to garner more tasks fail. Is there an abvious reason it won't get the full 200?

Well looking at the processing times for that machine
GPU tasks are taking ~3 hours for a VHAR task & ~6.5 hours for a near normal AR task.
CPU tasks are taking ~10 hours for a VHAR task & over a day for a near VLAR task.

If that machine were to only downloaded VHAR tasks (AKA shorties) it still wouldn't have 200 tasks with a 10 day queue. The machine just isn't that fast.


So, would it be fair to say, that Boinc /Seti uses the same formula for all pc's, and 100 + 100 is just a maximum number?
P.

The formula is the same for everyone. The variables can change. Such as requested queue size & the machine speed.
The BOINC client will request as much work as you specify in your settings. The SETI@home project has set a limit of 100 CPU & 100 GPU tasks. So a faster machine will have the task count as its limit. Where slower machines will have the cache/day settings at their limit.
1340) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (98) Server Problems? (Message 1697337)
Posted 1 Jul 2015 by Profile HAL9000
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I haven't see these many APs in a long, long time :)

Don't think My computers have had this full of a cache ever.

Looking at the server, seems like 6 channels left to go thru.

Then this feeding frenzy will be over for some time.

I haven't really been paying attention to the name of the data sets. It does look like all of the 2015 data sets are only from Jan & Feb thus far.
Depending on how much recording was done & if they received a full box of drives. There could be a few more weeks worth if they only load a few at a time like they have so far.
1341) Message boards : Number crunching : Unknown app?? (Message 1697325)
Posted 1 Jul 2015 by Profile HAL9000
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Can't wait to see what the new Lunatics will contain.

Nor can I - and I'm supposed to be writing the bloody thing!

Oh. So it is nearly done then. Great news! :D
1342) Message boards : Number crunching : Expanding my knowledge ;-) (Message 1697323)
Posted 1 Jul 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have a pc ( ID: 7531262 ), an Intel Atom 330 with Nvidia ION gpu. It just crunches, albeit slowly , in the background. However, I would have thought it would have 200 tasks, 100 for cpu, 100 fot gpu, but it currently only has 81. I have seen more, but never more that about 110. All attempts to garner more tasks fail. Is there an abvious reason it won't get the full 200?

Well looking at the processing times for that machine
GPU tasks are taking ~3 hours for a VHAR task & ~6.5 hours for a near normal AR task.
CPU tasks are taking ~10 hours for a VHAR task & over a day for a near VLAR task.

If that machine were to only downloaded VHAR tasks (AKA shorties) it still wouldn't have 200 tasks with a 10 day queue. The machine just isn't that fast.
1343) Message boards : Number crunching : Anything relating to AstroPulse tasks (Message 1697309)
Posted 1 Jul 2015 by Profile HAL9000
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I'm curious if anyone knows this answer ...
Does AP processing of 50 GB of data take less lime than MB?

It's just, AP and MB tasks can never equal out, or is it just too many people refusing to crunch MB and do AP only?

The MB tasks created are around 377KB where an AP is around 8MB. So AP tasks are roughly 21 times lager. As far as processing times my i5-4670Ks do MB tasks in ~1 hr and AP tasks in ~3.5 hours. So AP processing does happen, on the same given hardware, much quicker.
1344) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (98) Server Problems? (Message 1697100)
Posted 30 Jun 2015 by Profile HAL9000
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You must remove obsolete app sections from app_info.xml. I still had the app section for AP6_win_x64_AVX_CPU_r2163.exe, and got the same message, after the outage.

I removed that app section and now all is well again.

You may remove the sections if you wish, but usually editing that file - unless you're experienced in how it all fits together - causes more problems than it cures.

The messages are harmless, if irritating - see previous answer.

Yes Richard, "may" would have been a better word to choose from me. I agree, that if you do not know exactly how it all fits together in app_info.xml, it's best to just ignore it, and let it be.

I imagine this is one of the reasons the removed the "Messages" tab and made the Event log so it took some effort to open. Fewer people seeing "something wrong"
1345) Message boards : Number crunching : Bad new task initialization? (GPU crunching with ATI Radeon HD 4670, Windows 7 64bit) (Message 1697099)
Posted 30 Jun 2015 by Profile HAL9000
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Now I realize I posted in a wrong forum section; I think the present thread should be closed, and discussion should continue here:
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=77631

Technically that is probably where the questions should be, but few people actually visit the Q&A section. You are more likely to get help with an issue in Number Crunching.
1346) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (98) Server Problems? (Message 1697069)
Posted 30 Jun 2015 by Profile HAL9000
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When was last time when AP Results ready to send was over 1,000? (before these new 2015 tapes)

Hey Grumpy Swede, are You happy now :)

When was the last time it was over 10?
1347) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (98) Server Problems? (Message 1696847)
Posted 29 Jun 2015 by Profile HAL9000
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OMG, 2015 tapes? WOW!

Yes the big AP run on the 24th, was 2015 tapes too.

Twice within a 7 day period. Are they trying to spoil us or something?

Also noticed that someone did some cleanup on the tasks list. So it now only shows the currently active apps.
Application: All () · AstroPulse v7 () · SETI@home v7 ()
It is probably related to the updated Applications page which also now only shows the current apps.
1348) Message boards : Number crunching : Tri-X R9 390X 8G D5 (Message 1696808)
Posted 29 Jun 2015 by Profile HAL9000
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Until it passes through the x-ray machine ...

They have really ramped things up since the days I used to sell things on ebay.
1349) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (98) Server Problems? (Message 1696806)
Posted 29 Jun 2015 by Profile HAL9000
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How do you thoroughly dry it?

Put it in a vacuum chamber.

Aquarium coupled to a Henry vacuum cleaner, you mean? :-)

Re-reading HAL's answer, I suppose he meant that he put the outside of the fan, the fan-blades and all that under the faucet, but not the actual axle housing. :)

I as talking about washing off a PCB not a fan, but I do sometimes wash my fans under the faucet. When I do that I run the water over the fan blades in one spot causing the fan to spin and basically wash itself. I wouldn't submerge one. The PCB in the fan could swell & separate.
1350) Message boards : Number crunching : Tri-X R9 390X 8G D5 (Message 1696803)
Posted 29 Jun 2015 by Profile HAL9000
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Plus of course the fact that one may get hit for import tax, which has to be paid before most carriers will release the goods :-(

Ummm... it's just like a 3kg package of socks. Yeah that's it!
1351) Message boards : Number crunching : Tri-X R9 390X 8G D5 (Message 1696775)
Posted 29 Jun 2015 by Profile HAL9000
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Sapphire Tri-X R9 390X 8G D5: are £350 in the UK :-( Plus of course £80-100 for a decent PSU to go with it.

That's about $550 USD. With them selling for $429 here I imagine shipping to the UK would cost less than $130... OK I just checked and it isn't that much less. $90 for 3-5 day shipping. There goes all my plans to makes lots of money selling GPUs to UK crunchers!
1352) Message boards : Number crunching : "this computer has reached a limit on tasks in progress" (Message 1696772)
Posted 29 Jun 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

The limits were imposed to prevent the db server dying. The limits have been enabled at two different time. With the 2nd time being a more or less permanent decision. I don't recall if it was before the first or before the 2nd time. There were ~11,000,000 results out in the field. Which at that point the db server comes to a grinding halt and everything crashes on a regular basis.



Perhaps it would not be such an issue if the deadline dates more closely matched the maximum number of days of work you can download. 56 days in some cases to do a work unit when you can only download 10 days plus and additional 10 days seems like overkill and adds substantially to the number of work units in the field.

Another possibility would be to limit the number of days of work you can download based on past performance instead of the number of work units based on absolute numbers. Three days total might cover most downtime events and chances are those that download the most work units for a three day period are the least likely to be the ones that download and run.

The long deadlines allow a broader range of machines to participate. So I don't see that changing soon. A dynamic deadline based on the performance & history of a machine could be interesting. That would require the BOINC devs to do some work that I imagine they don't see a need to do at this point.

The 2nd solution you mentioned is the basic idea of how the servers are suppose to work. That is where the "Max tasks per day" & "Consecutive valid tasks" in your host details are meant to come into play. In practice that system needs some work. As it ramps up really high & then reduces very little. One of my hosts has a "Max tasks per day" of nearly 10,000 & it does 90-120 tasks a day. If it glitched & started trashing work it wouldn't matter if it had a queue of 100 or 5000. It would still trash around 10,000 tasks. However that isn't the problem the queue limits are meant to resolve.
1353) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (98) Server Problems? (Message 1696762)
Posted 29 Jun 2015 by Profile HAL9000
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No, nothing to panic about, but not really needed for me to start a new thread about this either. And if something should go awry with my cache, it's a handful of tasks only anyway.

Tomorrow my Areocool Areo-1000 case comes in, then I'll move my motherboard and innards over to the new case, take the HyperEVO 212 off my i5-2500K, bolt the Cooler Master Seidon 120v v2 on, and will go run some minutes of Passmark BurnInTest on it.

I ran that program on my i3-530 (with the same water cooler, and the fan on the radiator now reversed so it takes air over the radiator into the case, instead of blowing it over the radiator out of the case. :)), and even after an hour temperatures hadn't come above 45C. I've never seen that i3 so cold under 100% continuous load. So fingers crossed my i5 is going to take a step back in heat-spreading as well. It's idling at the moment at 44C and when doing some (light) load it peaks at 67C.

With temperatures the rest of the week being above 30C (86F) and on Saturday/Sunday expecting to be in the direction of 40C (104F), good cooling is required. Especially in a flat that warms up like an oven. Though I doubt I'll do much Seti during the next week / heat wave as I lack water cooling on the GPU.

The case comes with 3x120mm fans, I still have one 120mm spare fan lying on the table (although Twiggles, one of my cats, managed to puke her lunch on it. Complete with hairball. So I hope it's still all right, anyone got experience in this matter? ;-)), and the 120mm fan from the HyperEVO can probably be of use in there somewhere as well. Fingers crossed I have enough fan connectors on the motherboard.

I generally let the kitty vomit dry before attempting to clean it. I haven't had any issues with plastic surfaces similar to that of the composition of case fans. I did have a PCB that was puked on, but I was stripping parts off of it. So after sluffing off dried kitty puke I ran it under the faucet.
1354) Message boards : Number crunching : AMD K6..... Just for fun:) (Message 1696753)
Posted 29 Jun 2015 by Profile HAL9000
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They don't build them that well any more.What make is it?


I'd like to think it's AMD since they made many of the Intel 286-386 CPU's.. Truth is, as long as an item wasn't overclocked/overheated, it most likely still works today... I have a bunch of 386 CPU's that still work:)

The big killer of old old hardware was the barrel battery leaking and killing the PCB... As long as the mobo was properly maintained there is no reason for an old mobo to die... Ebay has plenty of supposedly working XT mobo's

Mine had Lithium 2025s or 2032s; I can't remember which... Probably the 2025s.

The li-ion CR3032 is the standard* motherboard battery used. CR2025 is more often found in automotive key fobs. However I think Zule is referring to the older 3 cell NiCd batteries that were soldered in.

*The good thing about standards is that there are so many to choose from!

Well; as I remember it, the SOYO 5EMA+ Motherboard for Socket 7, (AMD K6-2 350), used a different battery than what I had in my wristwatch. My wristwatch, at the time, used 2032s... Which is why I vaguely remember the Motherboards using 2025s; but, I could be wrong...


TL

Could be. That is why I added my not about standards. The CR2016 is a cheaper alternative & could have been used. They last about half as long as a 2032.
1355) Message boards : Number crunching : Tri-X R9 390X 8G D5 (Message 1696751)
Posted 29 Jun 2015 by Profile HAL9000
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I don't imagine either company will be having that issue again after the latest 3.5GB usable out of 4GB NV faced with one of their GPUs.

That was due to the memory configuration on the GTX 970, being split in one segment of 3.5GB and one of 512MB. The latter is only being addressed when a game or program actually tells it needs it.

Ah right, it was a speed issue not actually accessing it. I only keep tabs on so much info about NV hardware. Running 1080 it may not be an issue today, but cool kids are running 4K these days. Which does often uses >3.5GB of memory. I generally plan to use my GPUs for more than a year or however long the GPU releases cycles is. So something today may not be able to make full use of 8GB on the R9 390X, but it might soon enough. Currently the R3 390's only come in 8GB configurations. So even if you can ever use all of it there isn't another option.

The main question I come up with after looking at NVIDIA's response to the issue. Why does the 980 slow down so much in the same situations when it doesn't have restrictions accessing all of its memory? Either memory bandwidth isn't as important as they have been trying to tell us, or those titles are just not that memory intensive.
1356) Message boards : Number crunching : AMD K6..... Just for fun:) (Message 1696735)
Posted 29 Jun 2015 by Profile HAL9000
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They don't build them that well any more.What make is it?


I'd like to think it's AMD since they made many of the Intel 286-386 CPU's.. Truth is, as long as an item wasn't overclocked/overheated, it most likely still works today... I have a bunch of 386 CPU's that still work:)

The big killer of old old hardware was the barrel battery leaking and killing the PCB... As long as the mobo was properly maintained there is no reason for an old mobo to die... Ebay has plenty of supposedly working XT mobo's

Mine had Lithium 2025s or 2032s; I can't remember which... Probably the 2025s.

The li-ion CR3032 is the standard* motherboard battery used. CR2025 is more often found in automotive key fobs. However I think Zule is referring to the older 3 cell NiCd batteries that were soldered in.

*The good thing about standards is that there are so many to choose from!
1357) Message boards : Number crunching : Tri-X R9 390X 8G D5 (Message 1696727)
Posted 29 Jun 2015 by Profile HAL9000
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Just have a look at the power consumption-375W.

If you crunch with it 24/7 at (call it 300W) that will cost you about $500 or more per year in electricity alone.

The listed power consumption for those GPUs is less. Sapphire is listing the maximum power spec for the PCIe slot and power connectors for the cards. The actual spec for a 390X is 275W.
I think the general rule of thumb is that we normally see about 80% of the rated TDP running SETI@home apps. Which puts the power consumption closer to 220W. However the whole system would probably be looking at around 300w.
220w running 24/7 = 1927 KWh/yr, or 161 KWh/mo
300w running 24/7 = 2628 KWh/yr, or 219 KWh/mo
1358) Message boards : Number crunching : Tri-X R9 390X 8G D5 (Message 1696723)
Posted 29 Jun 2015 by Profile HAL9000
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I just wonder if the full 8GB can be used. And what kind of game you need for that. Although the new upcoming Deus Ex might be hitting it hard, nothing said about the likes of Doom 4, Hitman and maybe Fallout 4. Hope they don't expect me to play those with an Oculus Rift. :)

Of course, on the Fury X you pay for the high bandwidth memory, not so much for the water cooler. At 128GB/sec versus just 28GB/sec on GDDR5, that's no wonder.

I don't imagine either company will be having that issue again after the latest 3.5GB usable out of 4GB NV faced with one of their GPUs.

Once you start driving several monitors at 4K(AKA 2160p, UHD, or 3840 x 2160) resolution using all of that memory would not be hard to use. If they implemented DisplayPort v1.3 an 8K monitor could also be used.
Apparently GTA V on PC running 4K at 60 FPS is a good example of needing massively high end hardware. Actually running 4K at 30 FPS for GTA V requires some pretty hefty hardware too.
I just had to replace my monitor & my new one is only 1080. So I'm not worried about 4K gaming just yet. However when I replace my 61" TV I will be getting a 4K one. So I may still need to consider gaming on that.

For SETI@home use I don't think more that 2GB is needed running several instances. Maybe there could be some way for the apps to use more of the memory, if present, to speed things up in some way that no one has current thought to do.
1359) Message boards : Number crunching : "this computer has reached a limit on tasks in progress" (Message 1696671)
Posted 29 Jun 2015 by Profile HAL9000
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ok, then maybe a stupid question. Is there a way to fake more than 1 GPU? Can I make seti think I have 2 of the same GPU's.

I know you can setup a couple virtual boxes and double fake your computer so to speak but that is more work for me than worth.
99% of the time 100 task per works just fine. Anyways. it always is interesting to see how to circumvent the system.

Bob

The easiest way would be to modify the number of GPUs that that BOINC client reports to the servers. Which would require a code change. The source can be downloaded from the repository.
If you made BOINC think it had twice as many GPUs. This might get weird. An entry in an app_config.xml with something like <gpu_usage>2.0</gpu_usage> may need to be used. However BOINC may have other issues trying to address a nonexistent device.
Normally people just put in small cheap low end GPUs to bump their GPU count & then their main GPU runs through most of the queue. Mixing high and low end GPUs has its own set of problems as well.
1360) Message boards : Number crunching : "this computer has reached a limit on tasks in progress" (Message 1696660)
Posted 29 Jun 2015 by Profile HAL9000
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It seems to me that the limit on GPU tasks could be doubled without too much happening that would cause any problems. I know my GPU crunches at way more than twice the CPU rate. When a shutdown goes longer than expected a good portion of crunchers run out of GPU task way before the CPU tasks.

Is there someone who monitors this board that could implement a change on this. Assuming it would not be too difficult to code the change. I think we could triple it and not be problem but doubling to 200 would be a great improvement.

The only downside I see is the users that produces lot of invalids may increase the amount they are doing but I suspect it isn't a huge factor.

Just a thought.
Bob


People have been asking for the limits to increase since they were implemented. So you can guess how effective that is.
The change to the BOINC code was made to prevent systems with mixed GPU vendors from going into GPU starvation. That change lead to the limits change from 100 GPU tasks to 100 * GPUs per vender. Matt or Eric noted the change & decided to let it stand rather than clamp it back down. Then watch for any negative effects.
So now a system with 2 ATI, 2 Nvidia, & an Intel GPU could have 500 GPU tasks in total. If work was requested for all 3 types. When the change was first implemented it was a little broken. In that the server added all GPUs together & set the limit on tasks that way. So you could have those same 5 GPUs & only request work for Nvidia. Which would result in a limit of 500 instead of 200 tasks.
1361) Message boards : Number crunching : "this computer has reached a limit on tasks in progress" (Message 1696644)
Posted 29 Jun 2015 by Profile HAL9000
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There is a limit of 100 CPU task for 1 cpu chip despite however many cores it has

There is a 100 work unit limit for each GPU.

So for your system with 2 GPU and the 1 chip, the max is 300 work units

Why have the limit? It's a safe guard to make sure that someone doesn't download more work then they can possibly do.

What if someone downloaded 4000 work units then decided not to turn on his computer or if the computer had a melt down. Now all those work units are lost.

There is also a time limit as to when the work must be returned. Some computer are much slower than others. So sending them too many work units would result in work not completed in time.

Zalster

Edit..

If I remember correctly, this new system came about accidentally.

In the past it did learn your system and adjusted to that time to completion to match the request for how many days worth of work.

But I think they were trying to fix something and it morphed into what we have now. Others can give you a more detailed explanation.

The CPU limit is a flat limit of 100 CPU tasks regardless of the number of cores or CPU socks. I wish my dual socket servers were granted a limit of 100 tasks per socket like systems with multiple GPUs get.

The limits were imposed to prevent the db server dying. The limits have been enabled at two different time. With the 2nd time being a more or less permanent decision. I don't recall if it was before the first or before the 2nd time. There were ~11,000,000 results out in the field. Which at that point the db server comes to a grinding halt and everything crashes on a regular basis.

The first time the limits were put in place the limit of 50 tasks per CPU core & 400 total for GPU was used back in 2010-2011.

Many other projects also implement limits.
Moo! 250 tasks
PrimeGrid 100 tasks
Collatz 100 tasks
Milkyway has a more complex limit limit system. CPU cores * 3 up to a maximum of 48.
1362) Message boards : Number crunching : Curious about cc_config.xml (Message 1696628)
Posted 29 Jun 2015 by Profile HAL9000
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There have not been many additions to the cc_config.xml recently. When a new item is added the version where it first appeared is noted at the end of the entry.

However what has changed in there is now a GUI interface in BOINC manager to enabled or disabled the options. I would imagine if you use the GUI. That it writes all values to the file instead of just the items you select/change.
1363) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (98) Server Problems? (Message 1696622)
Posted 29 Jun 2015 by Profile HAL9000
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HAL9000, look above ... it appears as though they may have ...

A bit strange this, had to redo one of my Parallella installations, reverted it to it's old host id's and seq_no plus one,
Seti Main sent new tasks, and didn't resend it's lost tasks, Seti Beta refused to resend the lost tasks and expired them, and issued new ones:

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/results.php?hostid=7506529

http://setiweb.ssl.berkeley.edu/beta/results.php?hostid=74266

Claggy

It doesn't look like resend is enabled to me. As I have a machine that ended up fetching come MB GPU work just as I was shutting down BOINC to remove the MB GPU app. So it had about 40 tasks that are going to have to time out now. If resend was enabled those tasks would have been sent to the CPU by now.
1364) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (98) Server Problems? (Message 1696589)
Posted 28 Jun 2015 by Profile HAL9000
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Just wondering if anyone else has seen any of this:

https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/results.php?hostid=7502611&offset=0&show_names=0&state=6&appid=

Got a whole herd of MB jobs that error out a few minutes later, as "timed out no response". Would seem as though these were sent only allowing the client only minutes to work 'em ...

That looks like the well known issue of ghost tasks getting canceled on the 2nd That looks like the result of a well known issue with ghost tasks when resend is enabled on the server side.
The short version of what happens:
-The client requests work for CPU & GPU.
-The server assigns work to the CPU & GPU, but the client doesn't get or acknowledge the tasks.
-The client requests work a few minutes later.
-The server tries to resend the ghost tasks, but decides that the requesting device is not correct for the previously assigned device type. Then marks the task(s) as timed out.

The most common form of that happens with VLAR tasks are assigned to the CPU & the second request is only for GPU work. However it can happen with any kind of task from what I have seen.

Did someone enable resends when they brought the servers back up on Saturday?
1365) Message boards : Number crunching : Tri-X R9 390X 8G D5 (Message 1696570)
Posted 28 Jun 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The Sapphire R9 390X & R9 390 are selling for $429 & $329 USD respectively at the major retailers like Amazon & Newegg.

A R9 Fury X, with its 8601 GFLOPS & same power requirements at the 390X, would be nice, but selling for $649 it is close to what I spend on a whole system sans the GPU.

Personally I've looking at the R9 380 Nitro as a replacement for the HD 6870 in my gaming machine. I had been sticking with 150w cards, but they are not doing much development in that power range these days. SO I'm going to have to move up.
1366) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows 10 - Yea or Nay? (Message 1696564)
Posted 28 Jun 2015 by Profile HAL9000
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Strangely I don't get calls like this, do not call or not, why? This could be cause My number was a landline phone number and is now on a cell phone and this has been My phone number for quite a few years.

I don't think those kind of scammers operate in the US.
1367) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows 10 - Yea or Nay? (Message 1696115)
Posted 27 Jun 2015 by Profile HAL9000
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The single thing that stops me from upgrading/reservation of upgrade is uncertainty in the future of Win10 successor and how it will be implemented over Win10.
As long as there is at least some probability that win10 will be mandatory updated to "Windows" at some point of time with month fee I will not risk to lose existing Win7 licenses.
But will install and use Win10 on new configs, w/o any upgrades.

Are you sure you loose the possibillity to reinstall W7 after you upgraded to W10?

As written, such upgrade voids prev OS license. Technically, reinstall surely possible, but that's not enough.

Easiest way is to use a disk/partition imaging tool. Like Symantec Ghost or Acronis True Image. Make an image of the system partition in its current state, apply the OS "upgrade", make image of new OS partition. Then you can go between either at will.
1368) Message boards : Number crunching : Suddenly BOINC Decides to Abandon 71 APs...WTH? (Message 1696022)
Posted 26 Jun 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
One interesting & probably unrelated eyeopener has turned up already, looking at the basic authentication.

// If the seqno from the host is less than what we expect,
// the user must have copied the state file to a different host.
// Make a new host record.
//


It'd take a lot of convincing for me to believe that was a good way to handle out of sequence requests, rather than a recipe for strange issues.

[Edit:] and further down, a possible strike:
// If host CPID is present,
// scan backwards through this user's hosts,
// looking for one with the same host CPID.
// If we find one, it means the user detached and reattached.
// Use the existing host record,
// and mark in-progress results as over.


Can probably work some theories from this chestnut. This was in the section where no hostid was given or it was invalid. I wonder how long it would take to scan the whole hosts table looking for an entry that wasn't there, then check all the user's hosts for cpids, then mark the results as over. Long enough to explain the time gap ?

I wonder how often a false "host not found" occurs. Which would possibly explain why the server will sometimes randomly assign a new CPID to a host.
1369) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (98) Server Problems? (Message 1696017)
Posted 26 Jun 2015 by Profile HAL9000
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Well, since nothing comes out of the splitters, my GTX980 will be cold in 3 hours. And even if they start splitting full bore, and I will be able to fill the cache to the brim, it will become dead cold again, 6 hours into tomorrows outage.

100 tasks for the GTX980, only lasts about 6 hours....

Maybe I missed it, but was any indication given as to how long an outage to expect?

Matt said "we will be bringing the project down for the day". So I expect that means pretty much all day. Depending on who is doing the work, campus or the power company, they might be finished by the evening. Then someone could remote in to power everything up.
I'm thinking we won't see the servers back up before 6PM local SETI time.

I suppose so.
Oddly, there was nothing posted on the IST page about it.

Not really. There is no scheduled down time. They have chosen to take things down.
"they are confident we shouldn't lose power during their upgrades we're going to play it safe"
1370) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (98) Server Problems? (Message 1696008)
Posted 26 Jun 2015 by Profile HAL9000
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Well, since nothing comes out of the splitters, my GTX980 will be cold in 3 hours. And even if they start splitting full bore, and I will be able to fill the cache to the brim, it will become dead cold again, 6 hours into tomorrows outage.

100 tasks for the GTX980, only lasts about 6 hours....

Maybe I missed it, but was any indication given as to how long an outage to expect?

Matt said "we will be bringing the project down for the day". So I expect that means pretty much all day. Depending on who is doing the work, campus or the power company, they might be finished by the evening. Then someone could remote in to power everything up.
I'm thinking we won't see the servers back up before 6PM local SETI time.
1371) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows 10 - Yea or Nay? (Message 1695992)
Posted 26 Jun 2015 by Profile HAL9000
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Both sytems have kb3035583 installed and are basically identical. Both running Nvidia 350.12 and I don't think the video driver has anything to do with the offer. Just have to wait and see on the last system. Won't panic till 7/29.

Keith

I wouldn't panic until 2016/07/29 if you are wanting to get the update for free.
1372) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows 10 - Yea or Nay? (Message 1695978)
Posted 26 Jun 2015 by Profile HAL9000
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The bean counters rule .....

MS leapfrogs on OS releases popularity, leaving out the corporate NT and 2000 versions.

Win 3.11 WFWG - good
Win 95 - Good
Win 98 - crap
Win 98SE - good
Millenium - crap (marketing exercise to get money from year 2000)
XP - good
Vista - Crap
Win 7 - good
Win 8 - crap
Win 8.1 - better but crap.
Win 10 - expected to be good

MS know that they have the corporate and consumer market by the balls, and therefore they are in a position to do what they want. Ok they were forced to unbundle Win Explorer from Windows, but a small price to pay.

I would say 8.1 is crap, but someone used Poo Pourri so it isn't as bad.
Windows 10 still has some crap things in it, but may be tolerable.

Remember. XP was not universally accepted, until SP1.

Yes I remember. I didn't go from 98SE to XP until 2004. Just before SP2 came out.
1373) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows 10 - Yea or Nay? (Message 1695965)
Posted 26 Jun 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The bean counters rule .....

MS leapfrogs on OS releases popularity, leaving out the corporate NT and 2000 versions.

Win 3.11 WFWG - good
Win 95 - Good
Win 98 - crap
Win 98SE - good
Millenium - crap (marketing exercise to get money from year 2000)
XP - good
Vista - Crap
Win 7 - good
Win 8 - crap
Win 8.1 - better but crap.
Win 10 - expected to be good

MS know that they have the corporate and consumer market by the balls, and therefore they are in a position to do what they want. Ok they were forced to unbundle Win Explorer from Windows, but a small price to pay.

I would say 8.1 is crap, but someone used Poo Pourri so it isn't as bad.
Windows 10 still has some crap things in it, but may be tolerable.
1374) Message boards : Number crunching : What would you buy for a Z97 Motherboard? (Message 1695633)
Posted 25 Jun 2015 by Profile HAL9000
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I only used Asus boards for years, but gave up on them back in '08 or '09. When I had massive issues with their LGA775 boards. I've gone with Gigabyte boards since then & have not had any issues. I recently got an ASRock Q1900-ITX. Which I was more impressed with than other ASRock boards I have seen in the past.
1375) Message boards : Number crunching : AMD K6..... Just for fun:) (Message 1695359)
Posted 25 Jun 2015 by Profile HAL9000
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I didn't know CUDA has minimum system requirements to work, but I imagine it makes sense. SSE is pretty popular with the kids thee days and everything.

This kind of thread makes me want to fire up my old HD 3850, but given it can't do OpenCL its beastly 427.5 GFLOPS are only useful on projects that support ATI Stream/CAL. Of course with a GFLOP/Watt rating of only 5.7 I don't really want to waste the power on it in the summer.



Powers the real drag in all this.. I have tons of CPU's, Mobo's and GPU's that I could crunch with, but all would kill my AC and my power bill...

It's really sad. I'm the kind of person that would love to setup an old computer like K6 or Athlon and let it crunch for decades till it finally died an honorable death from old age:)

Sometimes old hardware just refuses to die. I have been trying to kill an old notebook for a few years now, but it stubbornly just keeps going. It is mostly just out of morbid curiosity, & it's low operating power, that I keep BOINC going on it. Otherwise it serves as a 2nd screen to look things up while I'm using my gaming computer.
Maybe once the cooling fan finally dies it might cook itself to dead, but given I've got it ~58% overclocked and the fan isn't even running at 100%. I don't expect the end of that system will come any time soon. It it only about 10 years old and it is probably going to run another 10 just out of spite.
1376) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (98) Server Problems? (Message 1695262)
Posted 24 Jun 2015 by Profile HAL9000
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I think the AP feeding frenzy, is about to come to an end soon. No more files added for a long time now, and only 17 channels left to split.

It was fun while it lasted though...

Nom, nom, nom :-)

The good thing about some of my slower machine is that they can cache work often enough to never run out of AP work. Like my old Pentium M notebook. It had its network cabled knock out for what looks like a day or two. So it didn't get any from the newly split data, but I'm not it will feed of of the resends without any issues.

Yeah, my old Celeron M Laptop, now have 6 AP's. It takes 36 hours approximately to finish 1 AP. I think that during those 9 days of cached AP work, it will be able to get a few more...

Added: I think I will wait a while, before I allow MB's again. One never knows, there could be some more AP files being added to the splitters any time now :-)

I have only powered that system off for a few weeks over the past 2 years due to AP server or db issues. Otherwise it runs 24/7 overclocked out of its mind from 1.5GHz to 2.37GHz. Doing APs in ~18.75 hours.
1377) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (98) Server Problems? (Message 1695240)
Posted 24 Jun 2015 by Profile HAL9000
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I think the AP feeding frenzy, is about to come to an end soon. No more files added for a long time now, and only 17 channels left to split.

It was fun while it lasted though...

Nom, nom, nom :-)

The good thing about some of my slower machine is that they can cache work often enough to never run out of AP work. Like my old Pentium M notebook. It had its network cabled knock out for what looks like a day or two. So it didn't get any from the newly split data, but I'm not it will feed of of the resends without any issues.
1378) Message boards : Number crunching : Why use CPU on SETi@home? (Message 1695235)
Posted 24 Jun 2015 by Profile HAL9000
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For those not familiar with it, Mike has taken those figures - which are a current/recent snapshot only - from the Applications page. It's interesting to summarise them:

Multibeam
----------		
CPU		238,175	GigaFLOPS
Nvidia		189,259	
ATI		36,635	
Intel_GPU	13,120	
		
Astropulse
----------		
CPU		191	GigaFLOPS
Nvidia		737	
ATI		388	
Intel_GPU	67	

You can tell we've not been doing much AP recently...

Which tells us the work being done between CPUs & GPUs comes out pretty even right now.
CPU 49.912089%
GPU 50.087910%

It is interesting to take the totals from the MB app averages & then figure in the 170,150 active hosts.
The average SETI@home host is a system with a CPU producing 1.401029 GFLOPs & GPU producing 1.405965 GFLOPs.
Using the data from the CPU models list. Here are some of the CPUs that fall in that performance range:
    Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1.73GHz [Family 6 Model 13 Stepping 8]
    Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.93GHz [Family 15 Model 3 Stepping 4]
    AMD Athlon(tm) XP Processor 3000+ [Family 15 Model 12 Stepping 0]

My averages are obviously skewed. Given several things. Like active hosts that only run AP instead of MB, & the percentage of hosts that have a useable GPU by SETI@home. However I still found it interesting.

1379) Message boards : Number crunching : Little help would be appreciated (Message 1694742)
Posted 23 Jun 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
When you say "But reality is it runs 12 CPU MBs at a time." are there also GPU tasks running?


Sorry, haste causes errors while typing. Plus getting pulled out of here and running back and forth, I didn't proof read enough. It should have read 10 CPU MBs not 12. In my brain I was thinking 12 GPU MBs running (4 GPUs with 3 MB each) Each with 0.5CPU so 6 cores total

14-6=8

So I would have expected 8 CPU MBs as 8 cores would have been free, but saw 10 running instead. Only explanation I have is since each MB doesn't use a total 0.5 of a core (they actually use about 12.8%) that that "extra" space of none used core is being seen by the computer and why I get 2 more CPU work units than I think I should. (I think this goes back to the shared core idea rather than dedicated cores)

My objective was to limit MB on the CPU to max of 8 to only concern is just to free up 2 cores for OS and support of the GPUs.

I may need to do as you say and try the

<gpu_versions>
<gpu_usage>1</gpu_usage>
<cpu_usage>4</cpu_usage>
</gpu_versions>


Zalster

Well you have the number of CPU cores you are reserving in the app_config correct. However 16-6=10. Which is what you are seeing. Given that you have 16 cores not 14. Unless you mean you are also using the BOINC setting to only use 88% of your CPUs. I have never tried using that setting with the app_config CPU reservation settings, but if you want to reserve 8 CPU cores instead of 6. Then you would need to enter <cpu_usage>0.66</cpu_usage> or <cpu_usage>0.67</cpu_usage>. If you want to reserve 10 CPU cores then <cpu_usage>0.83</cpu_usage>. It is just # of CPU cores you want to reserve/# of GPU tasks running. So 6/12=0.500, 8/12-.667, or 10/12=0.833
1380) Message boards : Number crunching : Little help would be appreciated (Message 1694733)
Posted 23 Jun 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Well given that <cpu_versions> isn't a legitimate app_config.xml command it will do about as much as I expect <banana></banana> would do.
It looks like placing <max_concurrent> outside of an <app></app> configuration acts the same as <project_max_concurrent>.

I am guessing that this is host 7565600 you are talking about. With that app_config.xml & 4 GPUs 12 MB or 12 AP GPU tasks should run at a time & cause 6 cores to be reserved. When you say "But reality is it runs 12 CPU MBs at a time." are there also GPU tasks running? If there are it could be a rounding issue you you may need to enter <cpu_usage>0.51</cpu_usage> or something of that nature. You might want to try <cpu_usage>1</cpu_usage> & see if that works correctly as well.
As we know the BOINC devs don't also count on someone running near the max possible configuration.

I don't have any machine with multi GPUs, but if I use
<gpu_versions>
<gpu_usage>1</gpu_usage>
<cpu_usage>4</cpu_usage>
</gpu_versions>
or
<gpu_versions>
<gpu_usage>1</gpu_usage>
<cpu_usage>8</cpu_usage>
</gpu_versions>
in an app config BOINC will keep 4 or 8 cores from running any CPU tasks.
1381) Message boards : Number crunching : AMD K6..... Just for fun:) (Message 1694703)
Posted 22 Jun 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I didn't know CUDA has minimum system requirements to work, but I imagine it makes sense. SSE is pretty popular with the kids thee days and everything.

This kind of thread makes me want to fire up my old HD 3850, but given it can't do OpenCL its beastly 427.5 GFLOPS are only useful on projects that support ATI Stream/CAL. Of course with a GFLOP/Watt rating of only 5.7 I don't really want to waste the power on it in the summer.
1382) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (98) Server Problems? (Message 1694682)
Posted 22 Jun 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Any news on the Astropulse database?

Matt had talked about a possible come back in mid-june.

The AP database has been online for months. You can check the server status here. What is happening in the background is the clean up of the data and then new data we have processed since it was restarted will be merged with the previous.

Minor correction to this..

The real AP DB is offline and being fixed in the background. A new, empty DB was created temporarily so that we could still continue crunching AP WUs. Once the real/main one is fixed, this temporary one will be merged with it, and then the main one will be brought back to being live and online.

Indeed. I should have said "An AP database has been online".

It was estimated that "if everything went as planned" the main db would be ready to be put back into service, but since we have not heard anything and it looks like nothing has happened. I would imagine everything did not go as planned & they may have had to restart the processes cleaning up the old db.
1383) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (98) Server Problems? (Message 1694669)
Posted 22 Jun 2015 by Profile HAL9000
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A couple of small batches of APs have been split today but I have failed to snag any.

Were new AP actually generated or were the splitters just going over already split data to mark the channel as done for AP?
1384) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows 10 - Yea or Nay? (Message 1694603)
Posted 22 Jun 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
If you are a registered Insider and run the current build 10130 with your MS-account, you should get the final version for free even without running W7 or 8.1. At least that's what many german tech sites claim since yesterday. Could be interresting for ppl that still run XP.

Micorosft orginally posted "users would receive the Windows 10 final release build and remain activated.". Then they promptly removed the "and remain activated" portion & added a disclaimer that only Windows 7 or 8.1 license owners would get Windows 10 for free when it arrives on July 29th
1385) Message boards : Number crunching : Welcome to the 16 year club (Message 1694569)
Posted 22 Jun 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Wow, I forgot that I joined on May 20th 2009.

Happy anniversary to you all.

Mike


I think you meant May 20th 1999... :)

An interesting stat for the Class of 1999-05-20, of the 2,236 users
registered that Day, 350 are still banging away... :)

Out of my class of 1999-09-11 with 2865 users. Only about 400 were returning results in 2004. Then 272 moved over to BOINC. With about 50 still being active today. :/

Hal, How do you find out about how many are still crunching? Id like to know a how many in my class still crunch?

I looked at the class stats.
1386) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (98) Server Problems? (Message 1694568)
Posted 22 Jun 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Any news on the Astropulse database?

Matt had talked about a possible come back in mid-june.

The AP database has been online for months. You can check the server status here. What is happening in the background is the clean up of the data and then new data we have processed since it was restarted will be merged with the previous.
1387) Message boards : Number crunching : Actual task time takes much longer than the original estimated time (Message 1694489)
Posted 22 Jun 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I am running SETI@home on various machines and especially on my Dell laptop there is a very large difference in the original estimated time for a task and the actual time it takes to complete the task. This, by the way is a very recent (maybe 3 weeks) phenomena. Originally (since October 2014) everything was perfect. Any idea by anyone? Thanks in advance...

The Old Architect

Is the notebook Host 7422200? I am also running an old Pentium M notebook. I have only been running AP tasks on mine, but with them completing in ~18 hours the 10-16 hours your MB tasks are taking does seem high.

Have you checked to see if it is overheating and lowering the lock. If you do not already have it the CPUz can be useful to monitor the CPU clock.
1388) Message boards : Number crunching : Unable to complete GPU WU that is over 2 hours to complete. (Message 1694488)
Posted 22 Jun 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Allen,


Listen to Hal, the problems with OpenCl have to do with Nvidia drivers not AMD. So follow Hal's advice


Zalster


Sometimes I wonder why I bother to update.......

Allen

When crunching with GPUs it is often best to listen to the old saying "if it ain't broke don't fix it". Many times the "latest & greatest" drivers can have problem.
When a new app is released the requirements may necessitate a driver update.
Sometimes there can be performance gains with newer driver on certain hardware, but nothing mind blowing.
1389) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (98) Server Problems? (Message 1694389)
Posted 21 Jun 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I think the latest video, posted about an hour ago, may have some of the answers you seek.
Q&A: How Often Does SETI@home Discover a Promising Candidate?
https://youtu.be/C3vdApW2XLQ


Thanks for this link.

Sounds like 2004 was the last time they "turned the crank" on the database.


Leaves one with more questions than answers really...

I'm not sure if "after 5 years we turned the crank" was referring to classic SETI@home or if he meant since switching to BOINC. Under classic SETI@home, when they had their own dish time, there was a reobservation of interesting or notable signals. Which was planned under the original run & took place in 2003 IIRC.
1390) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (98) Server Problems? (Message 1694135)
Posted 21 Jun 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
How powerful does it need to be? If 300000 computers running for years to provide the data, how can one single computer possibly handle that?

Think of it more like census data. You have a large fleet of people going and doing the legwork and going door-to-door and asking simple questions to get the data and they write all their data down in spreadsheets. (that is us crunching the WUs, searching for any information to be had.)

Then the many many thousands of spreadsheets from all the people who did the legwork gets entered into a giant database (science DB).

Then the data gets analyzed so that we can get those pretty pie charts and line/bar graphs that get published to newspapers and so forth (ntpckr).

The hard part is all the legwork to gather the data in the first place. Realistically, one machine can analyze the data, albeit a fairly robust machine. The big problem with DB queries is that they consume an absolutely massive amount of memory. 512GB of RAM probably still isn't enough for it to be as efficient as it could be.

Now start looking around on websites that sell computer/server components. How many boards are there that can do >512GB of RAM? What is the cost of those? Even if you can only find boards that go up to 512GB, now look at how many slots there are, and then look at the price of ECC registered memory modules (because a board that supports that much memory is going to have multiple CPU sockets, so registered memory is required for multiple CPUs) that are sized enough so that you can max the board out at 512GB, and you'll start to understand why $30k is probably an under-estimate.

And I'm not entirely sure this is something that can easily be coded for a cluster of servers. So you start to realize why this is an absolutely daunting task. And it can't be divided up and sent out to us crunchers, because this whole thing relies heavily on access to the entire 10+TB DB on-demand, so it has to be in-house solely because of that, but also because outside access can introduce contamination into the analysis results.

Regarding "what are they doing?" They're doing the best they can with what they've got. As was said, the budget for the project has a total of maybe enough to pay ONE person, and there are.. what, four? people working on this thing nearly every day. Aside from the fact that they are underpaid and mostly operate as volunteers when they could be doing something else that actually pays them money for their time and skills, they spend most of their time trying to fix problems, rather than pushing forward on development for new things: there's no sense in developing new gadgets to attach to something that doesn't work.

So that's what they're doing. They're trying to get the back-end stuff to be stable and reliable, so that new stuff can come along and actually be functional. The DB has been known to have problems for years, and they've been poking at it and trying different things and have undoubtedly been in communication with the software developers for the DBs to ask if they have any suggestions or advice, and the problem is... the DB is so large that even the software developers are scratching their head and shrugging because they are in uncharted territory.

To take a line from James May when he was going for the new record in the Veyron Super Sport.. "I asked the engineer 'we know how long the tires last at 253mph: 19 miles, but how long will they last at 260?' and he said 'ask a Navy Admiral how deep his submarines can really go, and he'll shrug and say 'we don't know, until we try it.''"

In theory, all the whitepapers for the software says it should be just fine because they are still within the absolute maximum limits of the software itself, but the efficiency seems to fall off on a non-linear (but also not exponential/logarithmic) curve the larger it gets. There are no other organizations that have a DB that large on the software that is being used. There ARE much larger DBs in the world... but those are all on custom, in-house software because there was a nearly-limitless budget to develop said software.

So... tl;dr: they're working with the cards they were dealt. Sure, everyone would love to have been dealt a royal flush, but sometimes, you only get dealt a pair of deuces.


When I build out a system like he specifies for the db server I get anywhere from $50k to $130k. Besides the cost of the memory the enterprise SSD is the largest single item. The base server without memory or storage would only be $10-15K.

I imagine they would so need to update their systems to 10Gb interconnects & include a 10Gb switch to make use of it. Not to mention the new db software. Which can easily cost as much as the hardware. Some companies sell their licenses per CPU socket & some per processor core.
1391) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (98) Server Problems? (Message 1694081)
Posted 20 Jun 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
At the risk of repeating myself, I'll just state my position again.

I think the project and it's staff are doing a rather fine job with the limited resources they have available.
If the project were operating out of deep pockets, I have no doubt that things would be better and advancing more quickly, as some would like to suppose that they should be doing now.

But.............
When Matt says that a proper nitpicker server would cost some 30K to put together, and it is obvious that the project does not have it to spend, what would some have them do??
A fundraiser may be hatched soon to perhaps get a start on that goal, but it would take a lot of very generous hands on deck to get that one done.

So, please try to accept the fact that the project is pretty much doing what they can with what they have available to them.
And again, I think it has been a grand job so far.

Meow!

With the recently established FIRSST (the Foundation for Investing in Research on SETI Science and Technology). That could help solve some of the funding issues. If they can get an endowment.

That is the first I have heard of it...no pun intended.
If you have any more information or links, they would be of interest.
Possible to start some kind of petition drive to ask them for assistance for the project?


When I said recently established it was mentioned just this month. There isn't much about it just yet, but this is the information I currently know about.

https://seti.berkeley.edu/video/firsst
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jY5cQTKlYSs
1392) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (98) Server Problems? (Message 1694074)
Posted 20 Jun 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
At the risk of repeating myself, I'll just state my position again.

I think the project and it's staff are doing a rather fine job with the limited resources they have available.
If the project were operating out of deep pockets, I have no doubt that things would be better and advancing more quickly, as some would like to suppose that they should be doing now.

But.............
When Matt says that a proper nitpicker server would cost some 30K to put together, and it is obvious that the project does not have it to spend, what would some have them do??
A fundraiser may be hatched soon to perhaps get a start on that goal, but it would take a lot of very generous hands on deck to get that one done.

So, please try to accept the fact that the project is pretty much doing what they can with what they have available to them.
And again, I think it has been a grand job so far.

Meow!

With the recently established FIRSST (the Foundation for Investing in Research on SETI Science and Technology). That could help solve some of the funding issues. If they can get an endowment.
1393) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (98) Server Problems? (Message 1694055)
Posted 20 Jun 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Don't get me wrong, I love the project, otherwise I wouldn't be here. But I would rather KNOW then have to BELIEVE. It's science, not a religion.

And BTW: Did it ever occur to anybody that there may be a link between the lack of fundings/donations and the lack of information/communication?


Thou shalt not asketh thy hard questions or thy zealots shalt rise forth and beat you back into thou bushes! ;)

I think the latest video, posted about an hour ago, may have some of the answers you seek.
Q&A: How Often Does SETI@home Discover a Promising Candidate?
https://youtu.be/C3vdApW2XLQ
1394) Message boards : News : Eric Korpela on UFOs and Conspiracy Theories (Message 1694054)
Posted 20 Jun 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
When he is explaining the SETI protocol around 4:08 it seems the first thing you do is wipe your nose. :P
1395) Message boards : Number crunching : Unable to complete GPU WU that is over 2 hours to complete. (Message 1694050)
Posted 20 Jun 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Is the errant machine this one:
ID: 6335328
AMD A8-3870 APU with Radeon(tm) HD Graphics [Family 18 Model 1 Stepping 0]
(4 processors) AMD ATI unknown (512MB) driver: 1.4.1848 Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate x64 Edition, Service Pack 1, (06.01.7601.00)


And the one that's behaving OK this one:
ID: 6755144
AuthenticAMD
AMD A8-3870 APU with Radeon(tm) HD Graphics [Family 18 Model 1 Stepping 0]
(4 processors) AMD AMD Radeon HD 6520G/6530D/6550D/6620G (SuperSumo) (512MB) driver: 1.4.1848 OpenCL: 1.2 Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate x64 Edition, Service Pack 1, (06.01.7601.00)


OK, neither has an Nvidia card, so comments about Nvidia drivers don't help much.


So its down to the detection of the AMD coprocessor... On the "good" machine this is detected as an AMD Radeon HD6250.... co processor, and on the other machine it is detected as being an "unidentified AMD" co-processor. That suggests that there is something strange either in the way the MoBo is set up, or the way the drivers have installed.

Now I'm no expert on the AMD Ax family of processors, bbut when I'h had problems with other MAD processors not being correctly identified it has been down to a BIOS setting being out of step with what it should be (8 core FX processors detecting as 3 core Phenom being my least favourite). Seeing you have two machines step through the BIOS settings on the two and make sure that they are the same. Once you done that its time to think about drivers - here make sure yo EXACTLY the same drivers on both machines, and that the driver on the errant machine correctly installed, and there is no residue from other drivers lurking around in the background. Do a google for "Cleansweep" which is a driver uninstaller that is reported to work very well on the ATI/AMD drivers which reportedly can leave sticky bits around after a normal unistall.

For ATI GPUs BOINC devs have to hard code the values because getting the GPU name "is difficult" apparently. Any ATI GPU that BOINC doesn't have a name for it lists as "unknown". Which isn't a problem. There are plenty of machines with GPUs newer than the version of BOINC to give out their name running just fine.
The driver version displayed is really the CAL version. Which until Cat 13.12 always changed with the driver. So it was "good enough". AMD has depreciated CAL support in new GPUs. So they do not provide any "driver information". Eric had to add a special plan class so these GPUs could get work. Currently all drivers that the new GPUs support work with the current apps. However, This will be a problem if the BOINC devs don't figure out a new driver detection scheme. If new apps were made with SDK 2.9 or higher there is currently no way to distinguish if the GPU has a valid driver.

Both of their matched machines have been returning good GPU work for some time. The OP mentioned:
The only difference is that the one that runs well is running an older version of Boinc and the one that fails is running a relatively new version.

That host 6755144 has many aborted tasks. One task with a listed run time of 1 days 5 hours 43 min 22 sec. Which fits with the issue they are mentioning.
1396) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (98) Server Problems? (Message 1693980)
Posted 20 Jun 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hal beat me to it

There seems to be something about Berkeley & toasters.
1397) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (98) Server Problems? (Message 1693973)
Posted 20 Jun 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Wasn't there a company, after dark maybe, that just made screen savers? I wonder if they are still around.

Berkeley Systems released After Dark. Which included the flying toasters.
1398) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (98) Server Problems? (Message 1693951)
Posted 20 Jun 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thank you, HAL9000.


Yes, thank you HAL.


From your reasonable answer, will the data from those new streams be merged into the unmanageable database or will they (hopefully) start another?


BTW, I do actively read the Technical News section, but sans Matt's or Eric's participation, activity is rather sparse.

That isn't known, but it was started in the NTPCkr video that they are working to make the data more manageable. So we will have to see which of the two things happens first. It might turn out that the Green Bank data gets put in a separate db server all together. Which might also require a 2nd NTPCkr server.
Before NTPCkr I believe there was a similar processes, but it wasn't designed to be "near-time". Probably based on what they used for classic SETI@home. I think is so slow that it isn't of much use. So NTPCkr would, once working, give almost real time candidates to our returned results.
1399) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (98) Server Problems? (Message 1693942)
Posted 20 Jun 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Those who don't feel the project is worthwhile should probably find another project more 'worthy' of their computing time. (More work units for the rest of us).


Big +1 if you don't belive in the project what the F##k you doing here in the 1st place ??


While I did ask to be pardoned for the potential blasphemy, do y'all really not like the question because of the potential answer?

(I had just watched Matt's recent video on the status of the NTPCkr, so it is a relevant question.)

Your question seemed to be "Are we looking for aliens or is this s social experiment?". Is that an accurate summary of what you were asking? If SETI is a social experiment. Then the guys in the lab are subjects as well. A lack of resources doesn't change the science of what is being done.
Just because you can't proceed to step two, right now, doesn't make step one irrelevant or not the science that you want to be done. It could take years before for what is done today to be of use. It could even span generations.
1400) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (98) Server Problems? (Message 1693906)
Posted 20 Jun 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Those who don't feel the project is worthwhile should probably find another project more 'worthy' of their computing time. (More work units for the rest of us).



Big +1 if you don't belive in the project what the F##k you doing here in the 1st place ??

I'm just here for the free toaster. I've been saving up my bread for the past 16 years and everything!
1401) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (98) Server Problems? (Message 1693879)
Posted 20 Jun 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I can't remember the exact figure, but I think SETI@Home has barely got one full-time-equivalent paid staff member, spread across half a dozen bodies. I would far rather they were doing work to get science done than spending part of that rare and valuable resource posting here.


Please pardon the potential blasphemy, but from that, I had to ask what exact "science" is being done here?


I know we're trying to find similar persistent signals from space and to that end there is ntpckr. However, due to the lack of various resources, ntpckr is relegated to have about the same priority as project communications with the minions here in the fora.

Resources toward more data streams only allow us to add more data points to a database that is unmanageable (to ntpckr & staffing). More data only feeds into a vicious circle, which may have social science values, perhaps?

There was a show I was watching that featured Geoffrey W. Marcy. I think it was the show the The Universe. Where he said that when he started his search for exoplanets in the 80's. That he was considered a joke & had basically given up. Planning to finish out his career being laughed at by his peers. After about 10 years of collecting data & finding nothing. The some Swiss scientists found the first exoplanet, which he helped confirm. Then using what the Swiss scientists had found. They were able to go over all of the data he had collected in the decade previously to find lots of planets. So science doesn't always work on a linear path towards its goals.

Arecibo is often in danger of being shut down due to lack of funding. So the SETI@home team started taking steps to secure data from other sources. The data we look at right now is only one part in a process.
When they added NTPCkr it showed the current db hardware wasn't up to that task to run it at the same time as everything else. They are also working towards sorting out some of the many issues with the various databases. The Technical News posts are where most of those things are discussed. Such as looking for new db software that is more manageable.
1402) Message boards : Number crunching : Task priority (Message 1693870)
Posted 20 Jun 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I currently have, on 1 machine, close to 200 tasks. All of them, bar one, have a deadline in August. The odd man out is an AP i got in early June, it has a deadline of July 2nd. Does deadline date have no bearing on when a task is processed? I ask coz Boinc is crunching everything except the AP, and it puzzles me ;-)

P.

The deadline date will be used when tasks are running "High Priority". Which happens when BOINC doesn't think they will be completed in time otherwise. However by the rules of FIFO & High Priority that tasks should be worked on before all of the new work you are completing & returning. Unless you have work from another project which is taking precedence, but it doesn't look that way from what I can see. If you had that task suspending then BOINC should be refusing to get new work. With a message along the lines of "Not fetching work, some tasks are suspended".

You can try forcing BOINC to run in High Priority mode, if it is not already, by increasing the value for "Store at least --- days of work". Setting it from 10 to 12 should give BOINC a kick in the pants & force it to run that AP task if you like.
1403) Message boards : Number crunching : Unable to complete GPU WU that is over 2 hours to complete. (Message 1693868)
Posted 20 Jun 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hi,

I have two systems running with an AMD A8 3870K APU. One does fine, the other not so good as it can't finish a GPU WU that is over 2 hours to complete. They both have the same graphics driver and both are running Windows Ultimate.

The only difference is that the one that runs well is running an older version of Boinc and the one that fails is running a relatively new version.

Memory is the same. This wasn't always a problem since the system that is having the trouble now, was performing great a year ago.

Both systems have all of the Windows updates as well.
One thing I should mention is that when it fails I get an error saying that the driver failed and that it recovered, but it doesn't complete the WU.

Any ideas??

Thanks, Allen


Despite you thinking you have "the same" video driver installed on both machines your results reflect otherwise.

Host 6335328 displays OpenCL 1.2 AMD-APP (1268.1) in its recent results. Which is from Cat 13.9
Host 6755144 displays OpenCL 1.2 AMD-APP (1642.5) in its recent results. Which is from Cat 14.12

If you install a new driver over and old one you can get a mismatch between the video driver & the OpenCL run time. Which may be the case on host 6335328. The odd thing is that looks like the one that is running OK.
Since the driver is crashing on 6755144. You may want to install an older version such as Cat 14.9 or 14.4 on 6755144 to see how it responds.
It is often suggested to use a tool such as Display Driver Uninstaller to completely remove the old driver when upgrading or downgrading drivers. That will prevent the driver and runtime mismatch issues.
1404) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (98) Server Problems? (Message 1693495)
Posted 19 Jun 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

https://youtu.be/jY5cQTKlYSs


Interesting who provided subs for that video?
SETI called "city","said" and number of over words... Looks like ET did subs themselves :P

I think that would be the automatic google subtitles. Some places it is really bad.
When he says: "The question of extraterrestrial life and intelligent life"
It comes out as: "the questioner affects our trust your life and intelligent life"
1405) Message boards : Number crunching : Furtherst north sight for the telescopes (once in a year - repeatedly) (Message 1693492)
Posted 19 Jun 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The Arecibo Radio Telescope can't look at as much as the sky as some other radio telescopes. Such as the Green Bank Telescope. We can hope that whomever has the dish time on the solstices is looking in that direction, but they could be pointed somewhere completely different. :/
1406) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (98) Server Problems? (Message 1693184)
Posted 18 Jun 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have to agree with nx-01.
Think of the thousands of users, who put a lot of time in optimizing their rigs, buying expensive equipment, using a lot of electricity. All they want is to know, that this is not totally wasted, because the results are not processed and nobody is really getting any "real" results.

A little feedback is not too much to ask.

The "we do not have enough funding" is not an excuse for everything.

Ask for funding from nvidia,intel, amd or the electricity companies, who seem to benefit the most out of this.

Part of that time they don't have to check to make sure you are happy 24/7 is spent asking for money.
1407) Message boards : Number crunching : No Work from SETI@Home (Message 1692786)
Posted 17 Jun 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hello everyone, anyone knows why we do not get Wu at SETI ?

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/sah_status.html

Greatings to all: Terminator

High demand after splitters being off-line most of the night at SETI@home. Around 10PM SETI time IIRC.
1408) Message boards : Number crunching : NTPCkr Status - Video - Matt Lebofsky (Message 1692783)
Posted 17 Jun 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I also thought the specs and cost were for NTPCkr and hardware. After watching it closer Hal & Zal are correct All the specs mentioned and cost involved pertained to the DB server. They need to address this before they will address NTPCkr.

Bob

The current NTPCkr was purchased around 2012-02. So it is one of the more modern systems they have.
1409) Message boards : Number crunching : Help with Case Fans and GPU Fans (Message 1692775)
Posted 17 Jun 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Would anyone have information about 120x120x25 mm case fans running on 240V AC, with atleast 100cfm airflow? The best I found at 25mm thickness was rated at 80cfm. I found many at 38mm thickness, which due to space restriction in my case, cannot be used. I plan to replace my 12V DC fans which are only 35cfm. DC fans at higher cfm are too loud.

Also, due to my own dumbness, I managed to break the fan fins on my Asus GTX 660, and one of the fans on my Gigabyte GTX 650Ti is jammed. Any suggestions for replacement fans which will stay within two slot widths?

The noise level depends on how the fan is designed to move air. Or more specifically the fan blade design. Not the fan power source. You can get high volume case fans that are considered "silent".
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835150124
That fan is only about 81cfm, but it is also rated at 25 dBA for noise. As I recall anything under 30 dBA is considered "silent" in the computer industry.

If you want 120x25mm with a cfm =>100 & silent I'm not sure that exists. Between 25mm, 100cfm & silent I would say pick the two that you really care about.
1410) Message boards : Number crunching : NTPCkr Status - Video - Matt Lebofsky (Message 1692767)
Posted 17 Jun 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
LOL at the comment "Why so much ram? Just load small sampling at a time and process that in a loop."

Apparently this person wants the near time persistency checker to run at anything but near time. Anyone want to explain to him how big the database is these days and that you don't just load that so fancifully in low amounts of RAM?

I think Matt is just talking about the specs for the db server. Not a new NTPCkr. Which I believe that person is likely thinking was meant.

IMO If they are thinking they need 512GB of RAM now. Then they should probably have a system designed to scale higher. At that point it could be an issue of how much memory can their db software actually use. As I recall it was mentioned they are looking into other db solutions as well. I imagine they would select new software before specing out a machine.
1411) Message boards : Number crunching : NTPCkr Status - Video - Matt Lebofsky (Message 1692633)
Posted 17 Jun 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
$30K seems doable to me.

I have started a few fund raisers in the past without big success.
Like i said earlier its not that data will not be analized, but NTpickr does it in real time.
Big difference.

Spending $30K on a server might not be the largest priority at the moment. I don't know if they are still sending their "wish list" to the GPUUG donation list or not.
1412) Message boards : Number crunching : My Computer Builds And Other Projects (Message 1692627)
Posted 17 Jun 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I'm fairly sure home depot would have them, but not listed on the web site because it's a small item). Look for a pack of multi bits 1" long, 1/4 hex shaft.

Not a screwdriver, just the bits.

Home Depots site is independent of the local stores, that's why the site will say a local store has 2 of these, when in actuality the local store could have 2 or 0 or 100..

When I got several years ago was something like this Task Force 38-Piece Ratcheting Screwdriver Set. I can't tell if that one has the security bits or not from the photo.

Also after checking at work. The most common size I end up using, when taking hard drives apart, turns out to be T-8.
1413) Message boards : Number crunching : Bitcoin Utopia Fund Raiser (Message 1692615)
Posted 17 Jun 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Bitcoins, like all currencies, are articles of faith. If you believe and trust that they have value - that other people wish to acquire them - then they have value. Without that faith, there's a run on the bank, and the value plummets because there are no buyers.

the Banks & the monetary fonds around the World DON'T work on FAITH...just on a VALUE principle!
So no...that's not true!
;)

In the US our currency is based on its value because the government says it is. It has nothing backing it. It's been that was since the late 60's or early 70's.

Cryptocurrencies are more like a commodity such as gold. There are limited number of them & some people desire to have them. So they will use hard currency in exchange to acquire them. They are "created from nothing" more like works of art I would guess. They are also becoming more of a legitimate form of currency. With an exchange in the US opening being backed by the New York Stock Exchange. Which is odd. Since the original point of cryptocurrencies was to not be a regulated mainstream currency.

In any case. I don't see any issue helping generate a few coins to help fund projects. If Bitcoin Utopia wants to take 10% to help with their operating expenses that is fine with me. It is generating donations that would otherwise not be there.
UCB takes a % when donations are sent to SETI@home.
1414) Message boards : Number crunching : My Computer Builds And Other Projects (Message 1692422)
Posted 17 Jun 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
This card has those same hex shaped screws, I'm going to have to get one that will allow Me to open that up.


Do you mean these

TORX

You can get driver sets quite cheaply.

TORX SET

I think so, here's a close up of the card. That could be a security Torx, maybe. A T6 size may be required, from what I've read just now.
[IMG ]http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n107/JokerCPoC/Asus%20Rampage%20III%20Extreme/Gigabyte-GTX590-dead%20003_zpsmtsyw5fr.jpg[/IMG]

From your previous images I thought it looked like a T-6, but I couldn't make out the security pin. I got all of those bits in a cheap multi piece magnetic screw driver kit. It even came with a few small sockets that are the right sizes for computer screws & the standoffs on the ends of cards.
1415) Message boards : Number crunching : Bitcoin Utopia Fund Raiser (Message 1692420)
Posted 17 Jun 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

I think that was brought up when the bitcoin fundraser started and I don't think the people in charge of BOINC would allow their system to be used for "nefarious" reasons . That wasn't why I didn't join in with that fundraser , Glenn told me about it and I looked at their web page , I was going to join but 1 thing caught my attention BITCOIN UTOPIA take a 10 % cut of what you mine , . I aint going to crunch and someone else gets the bitcoins from me for doing nothing .
You might only get a small amount but times that by the number of people doing it and it soon adds up . Theres the set up cost but that's soon coverd and running costs but there basicly making money for F/A and that aint for me


They have to pay their costs....servers...bandwith...

Heck part of what you give to Seti goes to pay their bandwith/server costs as well.

Same thing to be honest.

Nothing nefarious at all.

Same with any donation really. Some NPOs burn through as much as 50% in "administrative/transportation costs".

They lowered the percentage to 10%, from... 15%?, as more campaigns got going. In the future it might go down even less. Given the total amount of money raised so far. I would be surprised if percentage has paid more then a month or two for their running expenses.
1416) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (98) Server Problems? (Message 1692319)
Posted 16 Jun 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
how would you compare horses and cows


If I had to I'd say they both have four legs bout neither of them can do SETI.

Not with that attitude they can't! Do they have WiFi or do we need to plug them in with an ethernet cable?
1417) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (98) Server Problems? (Message 1692316)
Posted 16 Jun 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
All that work available, but none for me. :-(

17/06/2015 01:37:24 | SETI@home | [sched_op] AMD/ATI GPU work request: 172800.00 seconds; 1.00 devices
17/06/2015 01:37:27 | SETI@home | Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks
17/06/2015 01:37:27 | SETI@home | [sched_op] Server version 707
17/06/2015 01:37:27 | SETI@home | No tasks sent
17/06/2015 01:37:27 | SETI@home | No tasks are available for AstroPulse v7
17/06/2015 01:37:27 | SETI@home | Tasks for CPU are available, but your preferences are set to not accept them
17/06/2015 01:37:27 | SETI@home | Tasks for NVIDIA GPU are available, but your preferences are set to not accept them
17/06/2015 01:37:27 | SETI@home | Tasks for Intel GPU are available, but your preferences are set to not accept them

Well they are going out. At least to my notebook's GPU.
1418) Message boards : Number crunching : Current motherboards that can support 6+ GPUs? (Message 1692291)
Posted 16 Jun 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The "best" way to do it:

1) Get mobo with 3 pci-e slots.

2) Get cards with 2 gpu
- Radeon R9 295X2
- GeForce GTX Titan Z

3) Install 3 of these cards. Each card has 2 gpu. 3x2=6.
You now have 6 gpu.

4) Buy stock in your local electric company.
1419) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (98) Server Problems? (Message 1692289)
Posted 16 Jun 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
6/16/2015 10:29:54 AM | SETI@home | No tasks sent
6/16/2015 10:29:54 AM | SETI@home | No tasks are available for AstroPulse v6
6/16/2015 10:29:54 AM | SETI@home | No tasks are available for AstroPulse v7
6/16/2015 10:29:54 AM | SETI@home | Tasks for AMD/ATI GPU are available, but your preferences are set to not accept them


Prejudice in work assignments?? ";D)


I love seeing the "Tasks for ____ are available" message intermittently.
6/16/2015 12:59:56 PM SETI@home update requested by user
6/16/2015 12:59:59 PM SETI@home Sending scheduler request: Requested by user.
6/16/2015 12:59:59 PM SETI@home Requesting new tasks for ATI
6/16/2015 1:00:00 PM SETI@home Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks
6/16/2015 1:00:00 PM SETI@home No tasks sent
6/16/2015 1:00:00 PM SETI@home No tasks are available for AstroPulse v7
6/16/2015 1:00:00 PM SETI@home Tasks for NVIDIA GPU are available, but your preferences are set to not accept them
6/16/2015 1:00:00 PM SETI@home Tasks for AMD/ATI GPU are available, but your preferences are set to not accept them
6/16/2015 1:00:00 PM SETI@home Tasks for Intel GPU are available, but your preferences are set to not accept them

Given the server sent me tasks for my ATI GPU a few hours prior. It is full of bovine fecal matter! :P
1420) Message boards : Number crunching : x86 WU's for Android (Message 1692282)
Posted 16 Jun 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Work is all the same. It is not created for any specific device. However there is currently not an application on SETI@home for Android x86 systems. Only Android (ARM processor).
However SET@home Beta does list an application for Android (Intel/AMD x86 processor). However I don't recall if it actually worked. It is dated 2013. So my best guess would be 'probably not'.
1421) Message boards : Number crunching : Bitcoin Utopia Fund Raiser (Message 1692276)
Posted 16 Jun 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
That is just silly. I think we would just shoot you with a drone these days. :P


hehehehehe I'm easy to find Hal9000 top floor mate so you can't miss


Keep a watch out for 'SAL9000', she probable a Gem... :)

Well SAL9000 has been known to be a bit less insane.
1422) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (98) Server Problems? (Message 1692191)
Posted 16 Jun 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hmm looks as if distribution has stalled wit production running on....

Things seem to be working on this side of the pond.

6/16/2015 10:24:23 AM SETI@home Sending scheduler request: To report completed tasks.
6/16/2015 10:24:23 AM SETI@home Reporting 1 completed tasks
6/16/2015 10:24:23 AM SETI@home Requesting new tasks for CPU
6/16/2015 10:24:26 AM SETI@home Scheduler request completed: got 1 new tasks
6/16/2015 10:34:42 AM SETI@home update requested by user
6/16/2015 10:34:44 AM SETI@home Sending scheduler request: Requested by user.
6/16/2015 10:34:44 AM SETI@home Requesting new tasks for CPU
6/16/2015 10:34:47 AM SETI@home Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks
6/16/2015 10:34:47 AM SETI@home No tasks sent
6/16/2015 10:34:47 AM SETI@home This computer has reached a limit on tasks in progress
1423) Message boards : Number crunching : Bitcoin Utopia Fund Raiser (Message 1692189)
Posted 16 Jun 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
heheheheheheheh picks jaw off the floor . yep your right very paroniod and it shows he doesn't know what he's talking about .

Mate you can encrypt a message in the block chain yes but not what your thinking mate . OMG that was a good one

I guess you will have to right each and every pool service to find out what your mining , oh my i'm logged on to a site in China i must be helping them break the American codes ahhhhhhhh i better stop and turn it off before they come and arrest men as a traitor to my country .

That is just silly. I think we would just shoot you with a drone these days. :P

Cryptocurrency mining would actually be very hard to mock up in the way they mentioned. Given the open nature of the applications used.
1424) Message boards : Number crunching : Possible memory deal? (Message 1692156)
Posted 16 Jun 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Digging through my box of pats I only have 1GB PC2-6400 sticks. Looks like I didn't go to 2GB parts until DDR3
1425) Message boards : Number crunching : Current motherboards that can support 6+ GPUs? (Message 1692155)
Posted 16 Jun 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Most high and mid range GPUs you will find are 2 slots wide. So with a standard ATX or even an EATX motherboard you will only have 7-8 slots. So you would need to use PCIe risers to use more than 4 GPUs.
Some water cooling GPU solutions I have seen reduce the GPU width to only 1 slot, but the GPU bracket will still be 2 slots wide.
Then you have the issue of power. Running 4 or more 250-300w GPUs takes a large specialized power supply, or multiple power supplies.

It's not impossible. You just have to be really dedicated.
1426) Message boards : Number crunching : Wasteing of computing power (Message 1691619)
Posted 15 Jun 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Depending on your system the background processes may use more resources. Notebooks have been knows to have high CPU usage for their wireless NICs.
1427) Message boards : Number crunching : The kittyman has fixed the rig, work on the way, wingys! (Message 1690908)
Posted 13 Jun 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Given your description, it sounds very much like the slow death of my i7/930 that died last year. Every time I get enough money to replace the mobo something comes up that takes priority. Right now it's a $400 chiller for my mini reef to keep it from dying in the increasingly hot summer like weather.

I hate how other emergency priorities cut into my hobby funding! Like having to buy a new HVAC & windows recently. Then having my monitor die & desk chair break at the same time.
1428) Message boards : Number crunching : Bitcoin Utopia Fund Raiser (Message 1690886)
Posted 13 Jun 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
probably staff Blurf , and there is access to the net where would they house it , they would need a full time person to monitor it so i can understand and then they would need permission from the Dean of Berkely and that would be the biggest hurdle i reackon .

We can all ways just donate it directly to Seti in stead of waiting for a fund raiser , they are busy and have a lot on there plate


I fully disagree. It doesn't take a full-time staff person for this? On the MW fundraiser I set a dollar amount-we hit it-they cash it out and send it to the project.

If they need permission from the Berkeley folks-they obviously had it for the recent fundraising run. Shouldn't be hard to get it again.

Sorry man but I think you're making it more complicated then it really is.

My point is: This project needs funding to survive. I have raised over $125,000 both personally and professionally in the non-profit world. Government grants are drying up and personal budgets are too tight for as much individual as we've had in the past. You have a wide-open, seemingly endless source of funding here. I'd be all over this. I'll even volunteer to be the contact for this if they want. I just think the project needs to jump on this and use it to it's fullest capacity

Until we get feedback from the guys here. We won't know if there is any issue preventing them from setting up another campaign or if they just haven't had the time.
Matt mentioned:
We do progress on this front but at glacial speeds due to incredible caution, lack of resources, and balancing priorities. For example one priority was an NSF proposal round that pretty much occupied me and Dan and several others for the entire past week.
1429) Message boards : Number crunching : The kittyman has fixed the rig, work on the way, wingys! (Message 1690877)
Posted 13 Jun 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
By your host list it looks like it was 2353446?

It is always a sad day when you find one of your crunchers have died. I recently lost a good Core 2 P45 mobo. Which looks nearly impossible to replace. I'm thinking of taking the CPUs from all of my fallen systems & putting them in a collection on the wall.
1430) Message boards : Number crunching : Bitcoin Utopia Fund Raiser (Message 1690653)
Posted 13 Jun 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Given the status of the project running under the UW Berkeley umbrella, are there not still some lingering legality questions about Bitcoin as a currency that might prohibit the project from getting funds involved with it?

Wall St. is setting up something to trade them publicly & the IRS has already basically made it a legit currency in the US.
1431) Message boards : Number crunching : Bitcoin Utopia Fund Raiser (Message 1690646)
Posted 13 Jun 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I would still like some kind of reasoning why the Seti staff doesn't go with a long-term fundraising plan over at Bitcoin Utopia? People there avidly post about working on such a project.

Matt? Eric???

It was titled "annual", but I don't see why a quarterly, or continuous, campaign could be done.
1432) Message boards : Number crunching : Bitcoin Utopia Fund Raiser (Message 1690549)
Posted 12 Jun 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
No less unfair than the US way of doing it. In the UK, if you are a tax payer and you "Gift Aid" a monetary gift to a charity the taxman gives an extra 25% to the charity. But only if the charity is one recognised by the UK authorities.

I'm not sure I understand how that works in the U.K.. Let's see if my examples make sense. Which will ignore any other types of deductions & just focus on charity donations.

In the U.S. if you make 50,000 a year & give 1,000 to a charity listed by the government. You then pay income tax on on 49,000 instead of 50,000.

In the U.K. if you make 50,000 a year & give 1,000 to a charity listed by the government. Then the government gives that charity 250 & you pay income tax on 50,000?
1433) Message boards : Number crunching : Welcome to the 16 year club (Message 1690546)
Posted 12 Jun 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Wow, I forgot that I joined on May 20th 2009.

Happy anniversary to you all.

Mike


I think you meant May 20th 1999... :)

An interesting stat for the Class of 1999-05-20, of the 2,236 users
registered that Day, 350 are still banging away... :)

Out of my class of 1999-09-11 with 2865 users. Only about 400 were returning results in 2004. Then 272 moved over to BOINC. With about 50 still being active today. :/


At first I thought your 50 or so active did'nt seem right... It must have been
a Bad Day... :( Perhaps every one was focused on the 2K Bug... :(

The biggest drop in users for my class was in 2003. Of those that stopped SETI@home after moving over to BOINC. Most look to have stopped BOINC altogether. I imagine they lost interest, or could not longer justify the cost of the electric.
It would be nice if we still had the class stats on here since BOINC started to look at. As it would be interesting to see how many users from the old days are still active with BOINC.
1434) Message boards : Number crunching : Welcome to the 16 year club (Message 1690515)
Posted 12 Jun 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Wow, I forgot that I joined on May 20th 2009.

Happy anniversary to you all.

Mike


I think you meant May 20th 1999... :)

An interesting stat for the Class of 1999-05-20, of the 2,236 users
registered that Day, 350 are still banging away... :)

Out of my class of 1999-09-11 with 2865 users. Only about 400 were returning results in 2004. Then 272 moved over to BOINC. With about 50 still being active today. :/
1435) Message boards : Number crunching : SETI@Home Classic users with More then 100 Years CPU Time (Message 1690504)
Posted 12 Jun 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Greetings,

First of all, I'm forced to agree with Werecow and OzzFan here. This thread smacks of elitism.

You're saying that Werecow starting with a 2Ghz processor was 'better' than you. What does that say about you with a 333Mhz processor vs. my starting processor being a 486 66Mhz? That machine would take an average of a week to do one WU. I was fortunate to make it to 28K+ hours before switching to BOINC and building better and better PCs over the years. I remember dial-up. If memory serves, I believe I started with a 14.4KB modem, gradually working up to 56KB.

I am a 16 year veteran like many others that posted here. So what? I'm proud to be a part of SETI@Home for that long and hope to be for some time to come before I kick the bucket. I have a milestones thread going back to '04 and there's a thread celebrating 16 years of service. I have not posted to either one bragging about my 16 years. This thread is the first I have mentioned it.

I do not feel like I am part of an 'elite' group. We are all here to do one thing and that is to help SETI@Home by crunching data. I'm running 1 PC, so what? My small part is no worse than people running farms. We are all doing our part.

BTW, Classic SETI did not last long after BOINC launched. I don't remember it lasting into '05.

Keep on BOINCing...! :)

I think the stats & such can be fun, but when people start taking it to seriously it gets weird.

Classic ran through most of 2005. From http://seticlassic.ssl.berkeley.edu/: "On December 15, 2005, after 6 years of operation, Classic SETI@home sent out its last workunit. On December 22, we stopped receiving results." So April '99 to December '05 or 6 year 9 months. For anyone to have 100 years of CPU time they would have to averaged about 14.8 years of CPU time a year. So basically have 15 machines running 24/7.
Speed is irrelevant when only looking at CPU time. So those 15 machines could have only done 1 WU a month & racked up that much CPU time. Which would only be a little over 1200 WUs. Sure a lot of KW/Hs were used, but not a lot of work was done. Which is why I think the CPU time by itself is meaningless.

It was always fun to see the stacks & farms people built at home to run SETI@home in the classic days. Using lots of cheap slower bits. Back then you could build a bunch of celeron machines for $100-150 each. Now that gets you a MB.
1436) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (98) Server Problems? (Message 1690463)
Posted 12 Jun 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
A "mini split" of AP has been going on today (CET). I've managed to snag 6 of them, before the fun was over.

Looks like I got 19. By the time I looked to see if I received any I had already returned nearly half of them.
1437) Message boards : Number crunching : Cricket Graphs? (Message 1690327)
Posted 12 Jun 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
You do know the date on that is 2002, or am I missing something?


The CRT in the pic sorta dates it (& makes my eyes hurt thinking about it).


My first thought when I saw the CRT was that the lab really is in need of funding. I didn't catch the date until looking at the other two photos and noticed how young every one was, particularly Matt and Eric without a beard. Perhaps Hal is testing our powers of observation :).

It was the earliest image I could find of the traffic graph. I figured it might be amusing to some of the old SETI@home vets with the traffic "spiking to 30Mb".

In March of 2012 there was a campaign to get the guys new workstations. So they are not that out of date these days.
1438) Message boards : Number crunching : Cricket Graphs? (Message 1690277)
Posted 11 Jun 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
http://seticlassic.ssl.berkeley.edu/photos/page_3.html
1439) Message boards : Number crunching : SETI@Home Classic users with More then 100 Years CPU Time (Message 1690242)
Posted 11 Jun 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I disagree, but not strongly.
Just a 'smigin' of 'elitism' and friendly competition (especially 15 years ago when we really had to work for it) isn't such a bad thing.

as magnanimous as we all really strive to be (especially in the entire S@H community) we all have the biggest streak of competition - and I would wear my 100 year classic badge proudly.

we are all in a community for an extremely worthy cause, all participation should be praised and appreciated but for those with 100+ years classic cpu time, well, that's a league of its own.

I'm still not sure about CPU time alone without mentioning WUs. For instance in a classic user has 182.112 years of CPU time but only 27589 WUs. With an average CPU time of 57 hr 49 min 26.2 sec. That must have taken loads of machines with an average speed that high.
1440) Message boards : Number crunching : SETI@Home Classic users with More then 100 Years CPU Time (Message 1690176)
Posted 11 Jun 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Also it looks like there were many people with much faster machines that did several hundred thousand WUs & have less than 100 years of computing time.


Actually, it was found that some people were engaging in rampant cheating and gaming the system by re-uploading the same finished result over and over again to inflate their numbers. This is one of the many reasons why they started fresh with the stats when going to BOINC.

Yeah I remember hearing about the people that would save a result at 99% then distribute that to hundreds of machines to upload over and over. IIRC a few users doing that were banned in some way.
1441) Message boards : Number crunching : Major problem with a user (Message 1690143)
Posted 11 Jun 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
It is not a case of "How bad" but "How much time do the project team have". Sadly with most of them being on very short hours there is very little of their time available for either a manual intervention or the development of an automated system to effect a "cure" to these users.

That's why I suggested a dedicated Volunteer who could come in a few hours a week and send emails to these guys that don't respond to our PMs. Would still take a little Staff oversight, but volunteers could handle some of these "administrative" tasks.....

I think there are many people that operate on the premise of "set it and forget it". Which really should be able to be done. The BOINC servers should be able to handle machines that have very high error rates in a reasonable manor. Apparently the BOINC devs don't see the need, or want to spend the time on, such functions.
1442) Message boards : Number crunching : SETI@Home Classic users with More then 100 Years CPU Time (Message 1690140)
Posted 11 Jun 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Well I came up a bit short of 100 years of CPU time with only 98.567 years worth.
Looking at the classic stats It looks like my 93865 WUs put my at #1001 in the ranking. Just behind Victor Wheeler. Only 145 short of being #1000!
Back then I was happy just to crack the 10 hour average mark, but now I am making up for it.

Also it looks like there were many people with much faster machines that did several hundred thousand WUs & have less than 100 years of computing time.
1443) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (98) Server Problems? (Message 1689901)
Posted 10 Jun 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
AP comes and goes, but MB is almost always available!!

Well most of the time anyway. Maybe with MB v8 we will reprocesses everything?

As long as the new science apps are doing additional valid work, I have no problem with recrunching work we have already taken a look at.

It was said, maybe by Eric?, that they would not create "busy work". If any data was to be reprocessed it would only be for scientifically valid reasons.
1444) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (98) Server Problems? (Message 1689862)
Posted 10 Jun 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Maybe with MB v8 we will reprocesses everything?

And get whoppy 60% credits respect to what we are getting now for MB WUs in return? :-) ;-)

Happy crunching!

Sleepy

I don't know 60% seems rather optimistic.
1445) Message boards : Number crunching : Old CPUs compared to current ones. (Message 1689806)
Posted 10 Jun 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I've had recent experience backing up personal files on a Celeron 2.4G based PC to transfer onto a new PC, oh what a torture that was. :-((

Even my little old dual core Atom netbook runs rings around it. ;-)

Cheers.

I was complaining about how slow my sisters old 2.9GHz Core 2 Duo system was when I was doing some stuff for her recently.
1446) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (98) Server Problems? (Message 1689804)
Posted 10 Jun 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
AP comes and goes, but MB is almost always available!!

Well most of the time anyway. Maybe with MB v8 we will reprocesses everything?
1447) Message boards : Number crunching : That sinking feeling (Message 1689482)
Posted 9 Jun 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
That is true. Asteroids credits pile up at many times the rate of S@H or Even POGS.

I crunched S@H for about seven years with old and slow machines. Lost all of those credits because I can't remember the email addresses and passwords from them. Been doing S@H on this new machine since January 2013 and have 449,000 credits . Started Asteroids March 2014 and already have 1 1/2 million. Joined POGS November 2014 and have amassed a little over 244K.

Don't seem fair somehow.

I tried to reduce the allocation for Asteroids and POGS from 33%, but can't get them to change.

I'll try harder.
Thanks.
Steve G

FYI, the resource share is a floating point number, so you can enter values like 1.0e+20 or 1.0e-20. Not sure if it is single precision or double. However even credit new will not even out the RAC between projects because there is too much leeway a project admin can use is granting credits.
Thank you Zalster for that explanation and suggestion. I will cut back on POGS and Asteroids.
Steve G


For each project you can adjust the Resource share values in the preferences for each project. The value isn't restricted to 0-100. Any value up to 9999999 may be entered so that BOINC runs each project as much as you like. IF you are using the default setting for 100 for all 3 projects. Then BOINC is trying to allocate 33% of your computer time to each project. At least over the long term. It generally switched off and on projects rather than running all 3 concurrently.

Once you set the resource share, for the venue your computer is in, at Asteroids & POGS. Then in the BOINC client highlight each project & press the Update button. Once the communication with the project is finished the new values show be reflected in the client.
If you has SETI@home set to 100 & the other two set to 50 then you would see
Astroids	50	25%
SETI@home	100	50%
POGS		50	25%
1448) Message boards : Number crunching : To Hyperthread or not to Hyperthread (Message 1689369)
Posted 9 Jun 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Yeah, I'm not planning on using the Hyperthread. It's doing just fine without it

Zalster

Another consideration is power usage when using HT. My i7-860 showed 11.1% increase in power consumption & 27.7% increase in work output when running HT on & 8 tasks.
1449) Message boards : Number crunching : That sinking feeling (Message 1689368)
Posted 9 Jun 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thank you Zalster for that explanation and suggestion.

I will cut back on POGS and Asteroids.

Steve G

For each project you can adjust the Resource share values in the preferences for each project. The value isn't restricted to 0-100. Any value up to 9999999 may be entered so that BOINC runs each project as much as you like. IF you are using the default setting for 100 for all 3 projects. Then BOINC is trying to allocate 33% of your computer time to each project. At least over the long term. It generally switched off and on projects rather than running all 3 concurrently.
1450) Message boards : Number crunching : Bitcoin Utopia Fund Raiser (Message 1689195)
Posted 8 Jun 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Certificate will have absolute ZERO effect until there will be some law that allows tax deduction for spending for non-profit scientific foreign organizations.
Not all countries have well-defined tax deductions even for own non-profit project. Expect such deduction for foreign one (even not consider how to count electricity instead of pure money transfer...)... I would call such expectation unjustified at least. Do "homework" first, point particular law numbers (if they exist of course that incredibly doubtful) then ask others to do some work.

Not to mention not all of the electricity being used is actually going towards "work" for the project. Differing amounts of efficiency & loading for systems can't be calculated. They would have to be directly measured. Then only the portion over the systems base load is is actually being "donated" to a project.

It might be along the same lines as asking to claim a tax deduction for time spent assisting at a charity.
1451) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (97) Server Problems? (Message 1688926)
Posted 7 Jun 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I don't know if this can be considered exploiting the system, but it's not really a new concept (I've known about it for several years, myself).

So with APs being split presently, I tried snagging as many as I could get. When asking for 2.6M seconds of work, I got 6 consecutive "no work available" replies. I changed the 10-day cache down to 1-day, and the next request resulted in getting a single AP. And so did the second, and third.

I figured now that I've got something, I could go back to 10-day and just let it continue filling, but that resulted in three consecutive "no work available" replies. Dropped back to 1-day, and got three more consecutive replies, each with one AP.

Once I got to a point where BOINC decided my 1-day cache was full, I changed it to two days, to keep the "requesting work for [x] seconds" value fairly low, and again, success.

I don't know what the rough cut-off value is, but I know that it is quite difficult to get work when asking for 2.6M seconds of work on an empty cache, unless there are 10+ tapes being split, but asking for smaller amounts of work seems to end up with a higher success-rate.

I'm not sure it has any effect. Looking over the logs while I was asleep. I managed 92 new AP while they were going out & I set a 10 day cache for my venues.
1452) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (97) Server Problems? (Message 1688638)
Posted 6 Jun 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Perhaps the larger question here is how does 'anonymous' amass such a cache of AP's on a brand new machine? I guess I don't understand the scheduler priorities.

That is a pretty valid curiosity question, for sure. The rest of us have time-tested, reliable machines and when APs are being split, we're lucky to get a small handful of tasks, meanwhile, these users with farms of machines that were created the same day the splitting started can somehow get 100+ APs on each machine. *scratches head* Something tastes weird about that.

When you request work ever 310 seconds you have much higher chances of getting work then whatever BOINC does by default. If BOINC has a low cache condition it will check ever 5 min on its own unless it can't contact the server.
1453) Message boards : Number crunching : Sources for older motherboards? (Message 1688231)
Posted 5 Jun 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Recently I was playing around with my old Core 2 Duo E8400 & I killed the MB by going a bit overboard tightening the heatsink.
The Gigabyre GA-EP45T-UD3P was a great board when I used it as my gaming machine. Having the P45 chipset, w/ DDR3, & dual PCIe slots. So I was trying to find another P45 based board with DDR3 support, but I haven't had much luck. Even on ebay.

I had been hoping to setup this system with both of my old HD6870s once I replaced them.
1454) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (97) Server Problems? (Message 1688230)
Posted 5 Jun 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I've had situations where a power failure over a holiday or some other event caused my machines to be off. So when I get around to bringing them up I will abort work that is already past due or to near its due date.


This is different.

At least 22 IDENTICAL computers fron ANONYMOUS user.

Almost all of this users Astropulse tasks are aborted by GUI just before deadline.

203 (0xcb) EXIT_ABORTED_VIA_GUI

Why?
Who?
What is the answer to life the universe and everything?

I don't have nearly that many machines, & have my hosts show. However out of my 30 or so machines 5 are identical. So that is at least 500, or updates to 3500, tasks that would get dumped if I was in that situation. I know I have dumped as many as 1500 in one go before.

Looking at BOINCstats it shows there are 591 hosts with the same CPU as those hosts that dumped their work. I like to think all 591 are are all from 1 account.
1455) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows 10 - Yea or Nay? (Message 1688214)
Posted 5 Jun 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I think I already wrote that here somewhere: On the technical preview you could simply change an option in group policies and get the full functionality of Windows Update back. I'm pretty sure it's the same on the final version. And if not, then ppl will find another way to disable automatic updates. Yes, most regular users will prefer automatic updates, but every nerd hates it and nerds always find a way to change things the way they wanna have it ;-)

I haven't read what anyone was doing with that previously. However when I tried it on my own it didn't really work. I could only disable updates from happening. That was in an older release & I haven't messed with it since.

When I tested it, I was able to get the full functionality of windows update back. That means that I was able to choose between automatic updates, manual updates (notify me when updates are available) or no updates at all.
I achived this by changing some option with the group policy editor. It looks like MS tried to block this in later builds, but, as usual, ppl soon discovered a way to pass this block:
https://4sysops.com/archives/turn-off-automatic-updates-in-windows-10-build-9926/

I don't know if this all still works or if MS again found a way to block this. But if so, ppl will strike back and find a new way again.

I was only changing the settings via group policy. The only option I found to work there was "disable". The one to restore the control panel applet would be best if it still works in build 10130. Maybe I'll play with it over the weekend.
1456) Message boards : Number crunching : My Computer Builds And Other Projects (Message 1688210)
Posted 5 Jun 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Has anyone ever had a video card repaired by this place?

I contacted this place called Seattle Laptop Here by email, I'm just curious.

This is about the Gigabyte GTX590, this type card has a history with weak inductors and is not worth overclocking, since some cards actually had inductors die. The part is the one in the red square. Just curious, since this could be one reason why the card is not working, beyond dust or dried up heatsink compound, which are both minor compared to some busted vrm inductor chips...


Being an IC, U20 is much more likely to be a regulator controller, vs. an inductor (see L22). IF the shop is competent, they should have no problem with a simple repair like this -- assuming that's the only problem with the card. They've been around since 1998, so they can't be -too- bad. Only one complaint filed with the BBB.

From what I've read and I could be wrong on this, all the 'inductors'(that's nvidia has called them in press releases) would have to be replaced to get the same level of performance, I think.

The blown ICs may be replaced with more robust parts. In which case you would want to do them all at once. Otherwise it would be a case of replacing them as they die.
1457) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (97) Server Problems? (Message 1688205)
Posted 5 Jun 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
That person has about 63 more APs that all have deadline dates around Saturday and Sunday.. So either he/she aborts them or they will be late and the server will resend them.

IMO it is better that they were aborted rather than timed out and risk getting stuck if they are reported late but before you report.


Just wondering WHY all those workunits are aborted JUST BEFORE time out with error code 203 (0xcb) EXIT_ABORTED_VIA_GUI.

All those are from identical computer with different ID's.

Is there problem with S@H database/code or is there somebody messing up with S@H (with script or something)

Just wondering. I don't know.

I've had situations where a power failure over a holiday or some other event caused my machines to be off. So when I get around to bringing them up I will abort work that is already past due or to near its due date.
1458) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows 10 - Yea or Nay? (Message 1688118)
Posted 5 Jun 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I think I already wrote that here somewhere: On the technical preview you could simply change an option in group policies and get the full functionality of Windows Update back. I'm pretty sure it's the same on the final version. And if not, then ppl will find another way to disable automatic updates. Yes, most regular users will prefer automatic updates, but every nerd hates it and nerds always find a way to change things the way they wanna have it ;-)

I haven't read what anyone was doing with that previously. However when I tried it on my own it didn't really work. I could only disable updates from happening. That was in an older release & I haven't messed with it since.
1459) Message boards : Number crunching : To Hyperthread or not to Hyperthread (Message 1687933)
Posted 5 Jun 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
With my i3-390 & six i7-860s I run HT on & use all cores for SETI@home. As it results in more work done per day. However I don't know about the latest generation. As all of my new CPUs are sans HT. However I have been wanting to get a new i3 to run tests with.
If there turned out to be no advantage to using HT on the current gen CPUs I would leave HT on & limit BOINC to only the physical cores. Then let the HT cores run the OS & support any GPUs.
1460) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows 10 - Yea or Nay? (Message 1687824)
Posted 4 Jun 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
OK solved my problem, it appears that you have to have IE 11 before you will get the necessary update.

I never use IE so had not updated from IE 9 on my main or gaming machine, so I installed IE 11 and then went to search for updates, installed them and lo and behold the icon appeared.

So if you are having a problem check you have IE 11 installed and working.

That's an odd way for them to do it. Given there are versions of Windows that ship without IE installed/enabled in the Euro market.

Ah but perhaps the required download was pushed out on its own for those markets.

Or perhaps I was wrong but it worked for me as soon as I installed IE 11 the update appeared, that was on 2 machines.

At work I loaded up an image of a bare Windows 7 SP1 installation. Checked for updates. KB3035583 wasn't listed. Installed IE 11 from our internal archive. Then checked again. KB3035583 was then listed.

EDIT: Also it is an "Optional" update rather than "Important".
1461) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows 10 - Yea or Nay? (Message 1687769)
Posted 4 Jun 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Not only that, but Win10 will no longer have IE. They are coming out with an all new browser... :\ I forget the name off hand...


No, Windows 10 will still include Internet Explorer for compatibility's sake, but no new features will be added to it.

The new browser is called Microsoft Edge (named after the rendering engine). It was called Spartan while in development.

Hopefully we will be able to delete both if we wish.


Not sure why you'd want to delete either. If you don't use them, I'm sure you can install a different browser and set it as the default.

If I don't use it I don't want it taking up space on my hard drive, why would anyone keep programs they never use?

Unfortunately today having found out that Media Center is being removed I may have to keep at least one PC on Win 7 as no other program works for my USB TV stick, Just tried some others and they are either complicated to set up or for some reason fail to see all the TV channels, Media Center just works. Oh well.

Have you already tried VLC? http://www.videolan.org
1462) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows 10 - Yea or Nay? (Message 1687767)
Posted 4 Jun 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Since three of our four Win 7 systems are Home Premium; does anyone know if you can purchase a Win 10 Pro "Upgrade" 3 License Copy??? I really don't want these systems upgrading to Win 10 Home...


TL

If you already have the Home edition why wouldn't you not want to continue with Home edition? You don't have to update to Windows 10 if you don't want to.

Windows 7 Home to Windows 10 Pro with the paid update should work in theory. Depending on if they decide to allow that function.
However the free update path could take your Windows 7 Home to Windows 10 Home. Then the paid update to go from Home to Pro could be applied. The Home to Pro upgrade is supposedly going to be $99. I don't know if they will have volume packs available right away or not.
1463) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows 10 - Yea or Nay? (Message 1687695)
Posted 4 Jun 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Not only that, but Win10 will no longer have IE. They are coming out with an all new browser... :\ I forget the name off hand...


No, Windows 10 will still include Internet Explorer for compatibility's sake, but no new features will be added to it.

The new browser is called Microsoft Edge (named after the rendering engine). It was called Spartan while in development.

I'm about 95% sure they called it Edge so they wouldn't have to design a new logo.

It is called "Edge", and the icon for it still has a big "E" on it, but the background shape has been changed slightly to reflect the change.

Cheers.

Well it is a "new" logo, but it really just looks like a new version of the IE logo to me.
1464) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows 10 - Yea or Nay? (Message 1687679)
Posted 4 Jun 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Not only that, but Win10 will no longer have IE. They are coming out with an all new browser... :\ I forget the name off hand...


No, Windows 10 will still include Internet Explorer for compatibility's sake, but no new features will be added to it.

The new browser is called Microsoft Edge (named after the rendering engine). It was called Spartan while in development.

I'm about 95% sure they called it Edge so they wouldn't have to design a new logo.
1465) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows 10 - Yea or Nay? (Message 1687448)
Posted 3 Jun 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
OK solved my problem, it appears that you have to have IE 11 before you will get the necessary update.

I never use IE so had not updated from IE 9 on my main or gaming machine, so I installed IE 11 and then went to search for updates, installed them and lo and behold the icon appeared.

So if you are having a problem check you have IE 11 installed and working.

That's an odd way for them to do it. Given there are versions of Windows that ship without IE installed/enabled in the Euro market.
1466) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows 10 - Yea or Nay? (Message 1687424)
Posted 3 Jun 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
It still isn't clear to me how a clean install can be done. What if I don't WANT to upgrade first? I'm not a big fan of upgrades at all. I want to download an ISO, burn a DVD, and do a fresh install.

I imagine at some point you would have access to download it from the MS store. Like people that buy online copies of the OS from MS do now.
1467) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows 10 - Yea or Nay? (Message 1687408)
Posted 3 Jun 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
There isn't any rush to "reserve" your copy. The upgrade will be free for a year after it is released.

Let others be the 'Guinea Pig', before Updating to Win10.

I've been playing with Win 10 on a machine at work & I'm not that impressed with it. It is what windows 8 should have been, but that isn't saying it is great by any means.
I don't plan on using it at home. I imagine it will be some time before any games I play require DirectX 12. Most new games still have a minimum requirement of DirectX 9 & recommend DirectX 10.

So...

It's not a Windows ME Upgrade to XP. Nor Vista Upgrade to Windows 7.

It's probably like a Vista to 8.1 kind of upgrade.
They fixed some things. They took some things away.
1468) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows 10 - Yea or Nay? (Message 1687321)
Posted 3 Jun 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
There isn't any rush to "reserve" your copy. The upgrade will be free for a year after it is released.

Let others be the 'Guinea Pig', before Updating to Win10.

I've been playing with Win 10 on a machine at work & I'm not that impressed with it. It is what windows 8 should have been, but that isn't saying it is great by any means.
I don't plan on using it at home. I imagine it will be some time before any games I play require DirectX 12. Most new games still have a minimum requirement of DirectX 9 & recommend DirectX 10.
1469) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows 10 - Yea or Nay? (Message 1687308)
Posted 3 Jun 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
There isn't any rush to "reserve" your copy. The upgrade will be free for a year after it is released.

Also this page has all the details you would need about moving to Windows 10.
http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-10-upgrade
1470) Message boards : Number crunching : Best GPUs List (Message 1687283)
Posted 3 Jun 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
In the statistics section of this site, there is a list of GPUs that have proven most efficient in processing data. My understanding of this project is that millions of people (over... 258 countries, was it?) use this software and so millions of GPUs are tested and considered when creating this list.

My question is this: Is this list reliable when looking for the most powerful GPU out there?

For example, I am using the GTX 675m which I don't think even shows up in the list. If I am looking for a better GPU to upgrade to, should I consider this top GPU list? Or are there too many other factors presented in this project that place the GPUs in places not necessarily reflecting their true relative power?

Thanks so much, I am new here, and I love this project.

Well there are about 674,718 active hosts running SETI@home.
1) So the pool isn't anywhere near as large as you are thinking.
2) The list is dynamic.
I believe it is based on tasks in the "valid" state. Which are purged after 24 hours.
3) What everyone else mentioned.
1471) Message boards : Number crunching : -9 still validating (Message 1687281)
Posted 3 Jun 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
That is even worse, that nobody has found a fix in years.

If there is so much interference to cause a -9 overflow, the result is useless anyway, so why not discard it?
I very much doubt, that these are analyzed further, when there are thousands more promising signals to deal with.

Well it isn't known until the data is analyzed if it is just basically noise. That is out task to preform. They set a threshold probably for several reasons. I would guess. To keep the returned results from becoming to large. Also anything over that threshold is likely not going to be the kind of signal they are looking to find. Larger results may also take longer to run in the validator.

Any solution to "fix" the problem of run away GPUs & CPUs causing false overflows. By adding more checks on the server side would cause more complexity to an already complex system & take time by the project admins. Time is always in short supply for them.
1472) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (97) Server Problems? (Message 1687133)
Posted 3 Jun 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Did ANYBODY get any APs after the outage???
Please tell.

Well singe you specifically asked. I got 11... but they were all resend.
1473) Message boards : Number crunching : -9 still validating (Message 1687038)
Posted 2 Jun 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
But there must be a way to identify these tasks.
This all seems to be a fairly recent phenomenon, so what changed and when?

Yes, she is an old lappi, but still going with no cd drive and no keyboard.

I know about the other thread, thanks.

It isn't recent & has been ongoing for MANY years.
1474) Message boards : Number crunching : -9 still validating (Message 1686997)
Posted 2 Jun 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I just produced a few -9 results.
I just changed the number of tasks per GPU from 2 to 1, and in no time flat,produced about 40 faulty results.
The problem is, that it goes very fast and instead of being marked as "invalid", they become "validation inconclusive" and causing more trouble.

I was using cuda32 from lunatics(ver0.41). No change to driver.

(i think, the -9 results should be marked "INVALID", straight away! and, as these are computed very quickly, the loss of computing time is minimal)

There is nothing inherently invalid about an overflow result.
SETI@Home Informational message -9 result_overflow
NOTE: The number of results detected equals the storage space allocated.

This can happen if a satellite happen to cross over the path of the reviver or something similar occurred.
1475) Message boards : Number crunching : Deadlines (Message 1686977)
Posted 2 Jun 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
MB tasks have their deadline calculated by their angle range. Ones with a very high angle range, or shorties, are given a shorter deadline as they take less time to process.
1476) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows 10 - Yea or Nay? (Message 1686837)
Posted 2 Jun 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I am looking forward to Windows 10, except for one thing. I will lose control of updates, which can force reboots at a bad time. As I am a software engineer, I create tests that can take over a week to complete. An unscheduled reboot could cost a week of testing.

Steve

With the current beta versions it is a pain to actually disable updates. I imagine there will probably be a 3rd party tool to make it easier in the future.
1477) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows 10 - Yea or Nay? (Message 1686673)
Posted 1 Jun 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
It has been suggested that the RTM release, MSDN users, will be mid July.
1478) Message boards : Number crunching : Major problem with a user (Message 1686670)
Posted 1 Jun 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Cosmic_Ocean wrote:
(...)
Long story short.. I don't particularly think this is specifically an issue with not letting two overflow results go without a CPU's opinion (because all that will end up happening is the CPU's result won't match the majority, and the CPU's result will be discarded as invalid--which is what already happens quite frequently anyway).
(...)

I would suggest (if it's server 'technically' possible),
each '-9 overflow' result which comes from a VGA card, this WU should be send additional to a CPU (- only host, or to the CPU of a host) for to check if it's really a '-9 overflow'.

If 2 VGA cards send respectively a '-9 overflow' result, two CPUs check if they are correct.
So at this WU: 2 VGA cards with '-9 overflow' and 2 CPUs with well results.

This way the science is rescued.

I think it was said before that the messages like the "-9 overflow" are just informative message only included in the stderr_txt. So the validators never see it as they only look at the result file.
1479) Message boards : Number crunching : My Computer Builds And Other Projects (Message 1686467)
Posted 1 Jun 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I saw the release news on the 980ti, looks very promising. Being new to the Boinc program, will this card fair well with low Double Precision floating point work?
[img ]http://i.imgur.com/K87jpmf.png[/img]

SETI@home only uses single precision, but there are some projects that do double. So if you only run SP projects then it will fair pretty well.
1480) Message boards : Number crunching : Major problem with a user (Message 1686438)
Posted 1 Jun 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Damn, dudded by another pair of bad ATi/AMD hosts. :-(

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/workunit.php?wuid=1804279411

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/results.php?hostid=7492638

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/results.php?hostid=7024228

Now we've seen certain classes of Nvidia GPU's being blocked from getting work when using bad/unsuitable drivers, so why can't the same be done for AMD/ATi cards? (and there seems to be a lot more of them around lately)

Cheers.

I think it was Eric who said on Beta that AMD/ATI doesn't make it easy to detect the driver version. What is/was used current is the drivers CAL version. Which is, or at least I think was, being used to limit drivers that are to old.
However with the current generation of card dropping CAL support BOINC doesn't report any driver version back to the server. So it is up to the BOINC dev team to implement a new driver detection scheme. The information that is provided by clinfo in "Driver version:" is really what we need to know.

Also issue is that the OpenCL component is separate from the driver and it may not get updated when the driver does it something like DDU is not used. With a mixed match of driver and run time bad things can happen. The CAL version, that BOINC reports & the server can be set to allow/block will show the most recent, but with an older runtime tasks often just spit out garbage.
I don't know if Nvidia has the same issue with their OpenCL support, but I haven't seen that kind of issue with CUDA support.
1481) Message boards : Number crunching : Bitcoin Utopia Fund Raiser (Message 1685952)
Posted 30 May 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Awesome to hear we reached our goal. With the money in for anything in particular?

More money = more manpower, it seems Matt is around a lot more.

That is due to the new 2015 budget. Which let them allocate funds to have Matt full time for at least 6 months. I do not known if other funds were secured to have him around full time for the rest of the year.
1482) Message boards : Number crunching : Major problem with a user (Message 1685744)
Posted 29 May 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Well you know what they say "A broken clock is right twice a day"
1483) Message boards : Number crunching : Bitcoin Utopia Fund Raiser (Message 1685592)
Posted 29 May 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thanks Blurf i did see that , but was wondering weather it was $1000 or a bit more once all the units where finished .

But no worry's then $1000 was the target YEPEEE .

More recently Henri has been posting the details, but you ca see all the transactions to the SETI@home bitcoin address here. The transaction on 2015-02-15 was valued at $1013,13 USD.
1484) Message boards : Number crunching : What happened to my listed computers? (Message 1685587)
Posted 29 May 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I'm wondering ... What if client_state.xml was deleted?

Would it rebuild the file from the server and retain work in progress? And gather new CPU info?

First client_state_prev.xml would be used. If both are missing. Then you have a brand new installation of BOINC.
However if your hardware, OS, & machine name are the same the server will setup you back up with the previous ID. Then if resend is enabled you would get your in progress tasks.

I lost a drive in a machine a few months back. After installing the same OS & setting it up again. I was surprised that BOINC identified the machine & assigned it the previous ID. Resend were off at the time. So I think it marked the tasks as abandoned.
1485) Message boards : Number crunching : setiathome v7 7.00 MultiBeam (Message 1685286)
Posted 28 May 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Ah. The Core Graphics(Base)clock is associated with NV RAMDAC-the heart of the thing; which until recently(Fermi then Kepler and now Maxwell) has been a 400 MHz. Jumped about 50MHz/per change.

The multiplier I refer to is associated with number of Proc Cores, each with its own RAMDAC backbone; similar to SRAM Cache on a CPU.

Shader Units figure into it *somewhere - as a bandwidth thing - carburetor or engine of a sort, as I understand it - the SM module. Although, the Direct Compute units numbers don't match the number of Procs - rather, the SM Module;
when it comes to discussions of *which unit is a CU - will the real CU stand up please?
=
Yes, the stark difference between Intel and NV in the Shaders and Base Clocks departments, is pretty close to Radical.

Add GDDR5 vs sys RAM DDR3 and the difference widens even more.
Comes down to apples n oranges comparisons and Expectations
ie don't Expect a Volkswagon to beat that Vette off the line - live with it!

The shader units are a result of how many SM units there are in the GPU. For Maxwell there are 32 shaders per scheduler & 4 schedulers per SM. GTX 960 with 1024 shaders 1024/32/4, or more simply 1024/128, = 8 SM. A view with clinfo, or the output of the Open CL apps, will refer to the SM as "Max compute units:"
For Intel GPUs the shaders are the same as what you see for "Max compute units:" in the OpenCL apps.
Then for ATI it can be found by taking Texture mapping units/4.
So everyone is doing it a completely different way!!!

The memory speed is important, but isn't used when calculating FLOPS. FLOPS just gives us the maximum potential of the GPU. Then depending on what memory is coupled to it will determine how much of that performance you can use. Just like using different speed of memory with the CPU.

I'm not sure, but I think there are 1 or 2 Volkswagens that can take a Vette off of the line. :P

1486) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (97) Server Problems? (Message 1685227)
Posted 28 May 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I setup a new test host which has a non-CAL GPU(R7 250), Cat 14.4, & is only requesting GPU tasks. So far it looks like it it just sucking air.
Also I set it up to update every 310 seconds.

And your driver is saying 'OpenCL 1.2', unlike the OpenCL 2.0 the others have - consciously or not - upgraded to.

OpenCL 2.0 support is only in the GCN 1.1 & 1.2 based cards. Which includes the R7 260s (Bonaire), R9 280s, & R9 290s. I think the driver that added OpenCL 2.0 support was Cat 14.12, 1642.5 (VM).

However it looks like someone found the issue.
1487) Message boards : Number crunching : setiathome v7 7.00 MultiBeam (Message 1685220)
Posted 28 May 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Glad you brought it up HAL
This, from Intel ARK:
Processor Graphics ‡ Intel® HD Graphics 4600
Graphics Base Frequency 350 MHz
Graphics Max Dynamic Frequency 1.25 GHz
Graphics Video Max Memory 1.7 GB
Graphics Output eDP/DP/HDMI/VGA
Execution Units 20
=
NVidia GTX 960 SC *Base clock is 540 MHz
There is a *multiplier at play here-for the life of me can't pin it down
NV lists "Direct Compute" = 5.2 in one util/5.0 another (which I have always assoc with Shaders) - 960 has 1024 Unified but sez SM5.0
Yet, there are 8 Multiprocs - *Read as 8 CUs in AP stderr

(So, what and which *multiplier do I use to get a clean number *here?(Intel)

Nor do I *understand the Intel Execution Units 20--for comparative purposes

Memory clocks are a little more obvious.
Intel uses my DDR3 sys RAM which will be 1600 MHz but Bandwidth there ?
NV = the 2048 GDDR5 VRAM 128bit/112 GB/s stuff

So *close/no cigar on the comparisons albeit whatever I find OC wise in ASUS BIOS -may exceed ARK specs.

The Intel "Execution Units" are the shaders. I'm not sure what you are talking about in regards to a multiplier. The "base Frequency" listed for the GPU is GPUs idle frequency when it slows down to to save power. Not to be confused with a CPU "Base Clock" value.
In the case of the GTX 960 it's default clock is 1127MHz when actively under load. That's where the default FLOP rating comes from with 1024 shaders. 1024*2*1128=2308 GFLOPS in SP. The 540MHz I imagine is your GPUs idle frequency. Which someone labeled as "base clock"? Base Clock in that instance could be used to describe the GPUs frequency floor. Rather than a root clock frequency.
1488) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (97) Server Problems? (Message 1685164)
Posted 28 May 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I setup a new test host which has a non-CAL GPU(R7 250), Cat 14.4, & is only requesting GPU tasks. So far it looks like it it just sucking air.
Also I set it up to update every 310 seconds.
1489) Message boards : Number crunching : setiathome v7 7.00 MultiBeam (Message 1684997)
Posted 28 May 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Aha!(again) - Thanks OzzFan.
So to take advantage on my current machine, I should goto .75/75% Cores in Prefs?

And same percent on new one (more I think) since I only have One discrete GPU
that I run CUDAs at .25GPU config - but AP-OpenCL NV is config with 1+1.
=
I'm currently planning to DVI my new iGD HD 4600 to my Monitor only - to free up discrete GPU VRAM for Crunch only.
I'll "unlist" use Intel GPU/iGD in Prefs - until I see OC options for it in BIOS that is - (that would come close to 960 GPU's base clock of 540MHz) who knows? Not I til I *seethis BIOS.

Telling BOINC to only use 3 of the 4 CPU cores in your current machine is likely to increase its overall performance.
If you set BOINC CPU usage to 75% the setting in your app_config for the OpenCL AP app to use a whole core will still be used. So while AP tasks are running only 2 CPU cores will be used. So you may want to update your app_config settings so that does not occur. Alternatively you could modify your MB GPU app settings to also reserve a whole core instead of changing the BOINC CPU setting.

I'm not 100% sure what you are referring to in regards to the iGPU clock vs the GTX 960. Most of the iGPUs have a clock that runs 1.0-1.3 GHz. That doesn't really mean anything as they have far fewer shader units & thus a much lower GFLOPS benchmark. The iGPU in the i7-4790K should be rated at 400 GFLOPS according to the formula they use.


The GPU in i7-4790K, is rated much lower than that by BOINC, as can be seen from the startup of my new computer:

2015-05-28 03:05:47 | | CUDA: NVIDIA GPU 0: GeForce GTX 980 (driver version 352.86, CUDA version 7.5, compute capability 5.2, 4096MB, 3066MB available, 5237 GFLOPS peak)
2015-05-28 03:05:47 | | OpenCL: NVIDIA GPU 0: GeForce GTX 980 (driver version 352.86, device version OpenCL 1.2 CUDA, 4096MB, 3066MB available, 5237 GFLOPS peak)
2015-05-28 03:05:47 | | OpenCL: Intel GPU 0: Intel(R) HD Graphics 4600 (driver version 10.18.14.4170, device version OpenCL 1.2, 1400MB, 1400MB available, 56 GFLOPS peak)
2015-05-28 03:05:47 | | OpenCL CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4790K CPU @ 4.00GHz (OpenCL driver vendor: Intel(R) Corporation, driver version 4.2.0.148, device version OpenCL 1.2 (Build 148))

BOINC gets mine equally wrong as well.
OpenCL: Intel GPU 0: Intel(R) HD Graphics 4600 (driver version 10.18.14.4156, device version OpenCL 1.2, 1195MB, 1195MB available, 32 GFLOPS peak)
OpenCL CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-4670K CPU @ 3.40GHz (OpenCL driver vendor: Intel(R) Corporation, driver version 4.2.0.148, device version OpenCL 1.2 (Build 148))

The formula used is Seventh generation (HD Graphics 4000, 5000) - EU * 8 * 2 * clock speed
Given there are 20 compute units 20*8*2*1200=384,000 or 384 GFLOPS. The extra 50MHz by default on the i7-4790K makes it 400 GFLOPS.

BOINC is much more optimistic about my HD6870 GPU.
OpenCL: ATI 0: ATI Radeon HD 6870 (Barts XT) (driver version 1573.4 (VM), device version OpenCL 1.2 AMD-APP (1573.4), 1024MB, 991MB available, 4032 GFLOPS peak)

When in reality it is rated at half of that.

Unless your GTX980's are overclocked it looks like BOINC is a bit over their rated 4612 GFLOPS as well.

NVIDIA & ATI both use the formula shaders * 2 * clock speed to compute the SP GFLOP rating. Trying to apply that to the iGPUs doesn't seem to come up with the numbers BOINC is spitting out either.

[sarcasm]It is troubling. As I know we all deeply depend on the benchmark values provided by BOINC for so many things.[/sarcasm]
1490) Message boards : Number crunching : setiathome v7 7.00 MultiBeam (Message 1684975)
Posted 28 May 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Aha!(again) - Thanks OzzFan.
So to take advantage on my current machine, I should goto .75/75% Cores in Prefs?

And same percent on new one (more I think) since I only have One discrete GPU
that I run CUDAs at .25GPU config - but AP-OpenCL NV is config with 1+1.
=
I'm currently planning to DVI my new iGD HD 4600 to my Monitor only - to free up discrete GPU VRAM for Crunch only.
I'll "unlist" use Intel GPU/iGD in Prefs - until I see OC options for it in BIOS that is - (that would come close to 960 GPU's base clock of 540MHz) who knows? Not I til I *seethis BIOS.

Telling BOINC to only use 3 of the 4 CPU cores in your current machine is likely to increase its overall performance.
If you set BOINC CPU usage to 75% the setting in your app_config for the OpenCL AP app to use a whole core will still be used. So while AP tasks are running only 2 CPU cores will be used. So you may want to update your app_config settings so that does not occur. Alternatively you could modify your MB GPU app settings to also reserve a whole core instead of changing the BOINC CPU setting.

I'm not 100% sure what you are referring to in regards to the iGPU clock vs the GTX 960. Most of the iGPUs have a clock that runs 1.0-1.3 GHz. That doesn't really mean anything as they have far fewer shader units & thus a much lower GFLOPS benchmark. The iGPU in the i7-4790K should be rated at 400 GFLOPS according to the formula they use.
1491) Message boards : Number crunching : setiathome v7 7.00 MultiBeam (Message 1684930)
Posted 27 May 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I didn't really understand the issue when you PMed me asking about this previously. However after looking at the run times for some of your CPU tasks
Run time(sec)	CPU time (sec)	Credit 	Application
2,344.23 	1,957.52 	43.18 	SETI@home v7 Anonymous platform (CPU)
2,506.23 	1,973.60 	47.56 	SETI@home v7 Anonymous platform (CPU)
7,234.75 	5,661.46 	119.40 	SETI@home v7 Anonymous platform (CPU)
2,401.64 	1,854.82 	40.20 	SETI@home v7 Anonymous platform (CPU)

I think I understand your issue.

Which I think the question is more "Why are your run times so high compared to your CPU times?".
The answer to that is normally that you have another application running causing the SETI@home CPU app to wait for CPU cycles, or you have in some other way over committed your system resources.

I don't have a Core i CPU from that generation, but I suppose it could also be that the AVX app is not as efficient on AVX v1.0 hardware? But I don't think that is as likely.
1492) Message boards : Number crunching : 18 hours of WU (Message 1684926)
Posted 27 May 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Wow thanks HAL9000!

I will attempt to set that up today, now if i disable to GPU on one of the additional Boincs will it see that and not download GPU tasks....

I will let you know how i go, hopefully this can assist other users that may be offline for most of the time, or run offline machines.

If you disable the GPU in the other instances it will be exactly that. Disabled. Using <no_gpus>1</no_gpus> for each other instances is probably the easiest way to go given that machine only has the 1 GPU.
If you had several GPUs. Then you could configure each instance with a separate GPU using <ignore_cuda_dev> or <exclude_gpu>.
1493) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (97) Server Problems? (Message 1684848)
Posted 27 May 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

The bandwidth graph isn't part of the SETI@home project. It is generated by the Berkeley IST department for their "customers" to monitor. Matt indicated they have some internal tool to monitor things on their end. So they are not worried about it.
As I stated previously. I don't expect there is any priority on it.

My understanding was always that the cricket graphs were not supposed to be widely circulated, more like an Berkeley IT internal monitoring tool, one of which just happened to show 'our' cable and IT wasn't bothered too much by outsiders (i.e. us) accessing it. Sort of a grace thing.

As I understood Matt IT themselves are reevaluating cricket graphs (and at this point they are aware of a community interested in a particular cable). Maybe they themselves want a different monitoring tool. Or they don;t really like us peeking. There are probably several opinions. And several possibilities. So, fingers crossed, they decide to make this information publicly available again.
But as has been pointed out, summer break is approaching and publicly available monitoring is a low priority. We need them to have a little bit of slack time and the right frame of mind to bother with it.
Then again we might get lucky and somebody decides that's just the bit of infrastucture he'd like to tinker with instead of trying to fix some particularly nasty problem :D

We were asked not to link directly to the images from the graphs, but the pages themselves are not a big secret. There is a public link provided to the list of graphs on this page http://www.net.berkeley.edu/. The information probably isn't highly useful to most outside of the Berkeley campus.
1494) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (97) Server Problems? (Message 1684809)
Posted 27 May 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Wave goodbye to the short-term cricket graphs for the gigabitethernet 6_17. I still don't understand why this is not working, it apparently has not been moved and either it is or is not part of the UC Berkeley network, why would that make any difference? It is was a useful tool to gauge server performance, why is it being hidden?

Probably because they are looking at other options right now.
I would imagine the IT guys are using a tool like Cisco Prime(or the older Cisco Works) for their internal needs. If the school year isn't yet over I imagine it is ending soon. Which would likely put the priority to replace the external graphing tools low on the list.


Thanks, much better than the last explanation I read. Although, as you suggest, it is unlikely to happen tomorrow...

If it happens before August I would be surprised.


Or it could be a simple matter of priorities, other things are more vital to keeping the program running at all.

The bandwidth graph isn't part of the SETI@home project. It is generated by the Berkeley IST department for their "customers" to monitor. Matt indicated they have some internal tool to monitor things on their end. So they are not worried about it.
As I stated previously. I don't expect there is any priority on it.
1495) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (97) Server Problems? (Message 1684777)
Posted 27 May 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Wave goodbye to the short-term cricket graphs for the gigabitethernet 6_17. I still don't understand why this is not working, it apparently has not been moved and either it is or is not part of the UC Berkeley network, why would that make any difference? It is was a useful tool to gauge server performance, why is it being hidden?

Probably because they are looking at other options right now.
I would imagine the IT guys are using a tool like Cisco Prime(or the older Cisco Works) for their internal needs. If the school year isn't yet over I imagine it is ending soon. Which would likely put the priority to replace the external graphing tools low on the list.


Thanks, much better than the last explanation I read. Although, as you suggest, it is unlikely to happen tomorrow...

If it happens before August I would be surprised.
1496) Message boards : Number crunching : 18 hours of WU (Message 1684765)
Posted 27 May 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hi Klik, the funny thing is I am the IT guy on-site, my main question for this thread was wanting to know if I could force download more work units.

Also the machine in my own machine that I have positioned on my desk and off the work network hence me using my personal mobile for data transfer :)

And sorry what do you mean in regards to the 64 seconds?

Regards
Sam

There kind of is a way to have your machine cache more work for SETI@home. Each instances of BOINC connecting to SETI@home is limited to 100 tasks for each type of computing device as it was already explained.
You can run more than one instance of BOINC on your machine. So each instances would be its own indentation queue. If 100 CPU takes are run in ~18 hours on your 16 thread boxen. Then configuring 4 instances of BOINC, each limited to 4 CPUs, should give you ~72 hours worth of work.
So if you are interested in doing that one of the old threads explaining the processes can be found
1497) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (97) Server Problems? (Message 1684763)
Posted 27 May 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Wave goodbye to the short-term cricket graphs for the gigabitethernet 6_17. I still don't understand why this is not working, it apparently has not been moved and either it is or is not part of the UC Berkeley network, why would that make any difference? It is was a useful tool to gauge server performance, why is it being hidden?

Probably because they are looking at other options right now.
I would imagine the IT guys are using a tool like Cisco Prime(or the older Cisco Works) for their internal needs. If the school year isn't yet over I imagine it is ending soon. Which would likely put the priority to replace the external graphing tools low on the list.
1498) Message boards : Number crunching : Does SETI@HOME use double-precision? (Message 1684613)
Posted 27 May 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thanks heaps guys!

Now to find a second hand card that uses a 6pin power connector and does over 1k of Gflops of single :)

Ill keep you updated

A GTX 960 is rated for 2300 GFLOPS, or 2.3 TFLOPS if you rather, & is listed at 120w. It looks like many of those that do not have a huge factory overclock come with a single 6-pin power connector.
Then again there are the GTX 750 Ti cards. Which at a factory 60w does not need a PCIe power connector & it is rated at 1.3 TFLOPS
1499) Message boards : Number crunching : Strange Memory Anomaly Caused by BOINC Monitor Gadget -(modified by request)- (Message 1684481)
Posted 26 May 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Greetings everyone,

I would like to thank everyone that has commented and/or made suggestions to figure out this anomaly. I have some great news... :)

UPDATE:
I have been watching my RAM usage creep up slowly since my last reboot. The system started out at about 26-27% usage with BOINC and Comodo IceDragon running. What is IceDragon you ask? It is a browser created with an older version of Firefox's open source code. I switched to it from Firefox because of a problem with my website in Firefox that I have not figured out yet. Go figure... :\

Anyway... My updated widget is currently showing 61% RAM usage. I looked at the processes tab in Task Manager and found out that something called 'sidebar.exe' is using a HUGE amount of RAM, 1,775,460K right now. I did a Google on it and evidently over time it uses more and more RAM.

There is a Blog I found where the guy running it created a batch file to do a scheduled restart of sidebar.exe to prevent the excessive use of RAM. Someone, another sysadmin, sent him an email that has created the same operation only doing it with a .vbs file. It eliminates the little black command prompt window from displaying.

I know absolutely ZERO about VBS. Any thoughts on how I can implement this scheduled restart of that annoying little RAM thief using that VBS file? I can copy/paste the VBS code if needed. Or, does anyone have any other thoughts about 'sidebar.exe' and what to do about it?

Keep on BOINCing...! :)

You don't need to know any visual basic scripting to schedule it to run. You can simply schedule it in Task Scheduler.
Located: Control Panel > All Control Panel Items > Administrative Tools > Task Scheduler
1500) Message boards : Number crunching : Why use CPU on SETi@home? (Message 1684078)
Posted 25 May 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Your right Mark you can get them cheap .

Klik CPU's are also developing too . You need the CPU to feed the GPU anyway so why not use it .

The projects are still voluntary and are meant to use free cycles !!!

If people become Bionic nuts as some would say there's no reason just to change the project .

I don't think there going to get rid of CPU's any time . So why not use them !!

As for the IGPU and ARM processors ...

IGPU not that fast and i would rather have more cores than lose them and have a IGPU

And ARM processors ....there a long way short of catching up with desktops

Depending on which iGPU is specified it may complete work faster then a CPU core. In the case of a Haswell based i5-4670: The Intel HD 4600 @ 1.2GHz takes less times than a CPU core @ 3.4GHz.
However it is a numbers game & using 4 CPU cores produces more work done a day than the iGPU can muster by itself. At least for the moment.


In reference to the Xeon servers being as fast as multi-GPU systems.
With my dual Xeon E5645 12c/24t server I don't see SETI@home throughput anywhere near multi-GPU levels. When running MB it will have a RAC between 12-14K & then for AP a RAC between 16-18K. While my 5 year old HD6870 running AP will produce a RAC between 25-30K by itself. The CPU will add about another 12K to the RAC running 4 at a time. So a 5 year old mid range GPU seems to be enough to best a 24 core monster from the same era.
If you want to consider power to performance. The 24 core server, a Dell T410, averages 210w according to the UPS logs. Which is similar to the 190w my i5-4670k with a HD6870 running 5 tasks (4CPU+1GPU) uses. So I'm glad I don't have to pay the electric bill for the server.


When running multiple projects it is preferable to have CPUs. As some projects don't yet support GPUs or they only support one GPU vendor. Which is also why I have 8 old dual Xeon 3.0GHz 1c/2t servers crunching away. They may be slow, but collectively they are doing 32 tasks at a time.
All together I have 139 CPU cores & 11 GPUs running across various projects. All of the CPU's running SETI@home, but about half of the GPUs run other projects because they are to old for SETI@home.
1501) Message boards : Number crunching : CPU Benchmarks Did Not Run on Z800 (Message 1683557)
Posted 24 May 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
That is truly odd, then, because this was a brand new computer based on an HP Z800 motherboard (I love *cheap* multiple threads (in this case, 16) - the whole machine (except for the video cards) cost me only about $100 net) and had never had BOINC run on it before; this was the first time BOINC was started IIRC.

In fact, I had come to the conclusion that the executables that actually run the benchmarks had not yet been downloaded (is that possible?).

The benchmark is performed by BOINC not the project. So there wouldn't be anything to download.
1502) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (97) Server Problems? (Message 1682721)
Posted 22 May 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I'm sure more will come soon. Probably not too many, and only for a short feeding cycle.. but hopefully we get some more soon.

Not to toot my own horn.. but there is some minor splitting activity afoot. I've picked up five so far. It's not much.. but it's something.

Looks like I've been picking up a few as well over the past 2-3 hours. I even managed a few for the NV GPU on an old iMAC I'm using. Should be interesting to see how it manages the GPU work for the first time.
1503) Message boards : Number crunching : Why use CPU on SETi@home? (Message 1682569)
Posted 22 May 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I'm using two of my laptops at home for crunching. An old Pentium M. Which is overclocked from 1.5GHz to 2.4GHz & runs 100% 24/7. I have actually been trying to kill the things for the past 2 or 3 years, but it just keep going!
Them my newer i3-390m I am currently only using the GPU. As I can run either run 4 threads on the CPU at 100% or I can use the GPU at 100%, but the cooling in it is not sufficient to run both at 100%.

you got me an idea going on 4 my fathers PentiumM laptop T41...btw, how did you change the multiplier?

That is why you should use TThrottle!
This way either CPU gets heat from GPU on laptop...or GPU gets it heat from CPU...
running both CPU & GPU is to hot...but using the TThrottle you equalize the top temps...& it doesn't overheat! ;)

but you also, have a faster data release with your GPU, than with your CPU...did you choose GPU crunching beacuase of that fact?

For the Pentium M overclocking I did a jumper trick on the CPU to increase the FSB from 100MHZ to 133MHz. Then used a software tool that let me overclock the FSB further. I think I still have the links for that info somewhere at home, but I am current at work.

Since I actually use the i3 laptop it works out better if I don't use the CPU for crunching. It has weird lag issues when the CPU is fully loaded. Which I don't see on any other system I use for crunching. Plus I prefer hardware cooling solutions. So if I wanted to run both I would likely just engineer something to help cooler it better. I do have a 50w peltier around somewhere from the days of overclocking old slot1 celerons.
When I get a new laptop I'll retire the i3 to do nothing but run BOINC on the CPU. Running 4 CPU threads gets more work done in a day than the GPU alone.
1504) Message boards : Number crunching : CPU Benchmarks Did Not Run on Z800 (Message 1682465)
Posted 22 May 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I can't say I have ever seen BOINC have any "default values" other than 0's for the benchmarks.
With no benchmark values it does make it rather impossible to fetch work for any projects. Which I have experienced a few times setting up a new machines when forget to disable the skip benchmarks flag in my default cc_config.xml.
1505) Message boards : Number crunching : Why use CPU on SETi@home? (Message 1682462)
Posted 22 May 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Everybody chooses their own projects...I will not comment on other people choises, 'cause it's all about personal preferences...and we know all that in those we do disagree... ;)

With this tool: http://www.extreme.outervision.com/PSUEngine
it gives that you use 515W in peak power - without WATER PUMP...so add that up! ;)
so I would on your place check the RAM...my one system has worked OK, but occcionally give me BSoD or "black screen" or stoped at some given time -> MEMtest86(+) gave me a clue, it was a RAM... :/

Sorry to hear that...did it go out in the 2y warranty?

As I've mentioned - I did...when using the SETi@home on a laptop, I always use TThrottle (but you have to have a newer proc than P4)...on my laptops TThrottle is set to 80-85% of Tjunc proc temp...on other peoples laptops it's set on 65% of Tjunc proc temp -> to keep them cooler! It really works great...so my suggestion is to use that program with using 100% of BOINC time -> gives best results! ;)

So what preferences do you run on your laptops? ;)

I'm using two of my laptops at home for crunching. An old Pentium M. Which is overclocked from 1.5GHz to 2.4GHz & runs 100% 24/7. I have actually been trying to kill the things for the past 2 or 3 years, but it just keep going!
Them my newer i3-390m I am currently only using the GPU. As I can run either run 4 threads on the CPU at 100% or I can use the GPU at 100%, but the cooling in it is not sufficient to run both at 100%.
1506) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (97) Server Problems? (Message 1682333)
Posted 21 May 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Crap, or something similar. Almost 10-days now, since the last good AP split/splat/splut.

It just has to be millions of AP's ready to split, since AP was started years after MB.

Where are they? In storage on another planet?

The aliens only let them make so many at a time. :/
1507) Message boards : Number crunching : If I am going to start crunching with my car, it has a radiator. (Message 1682283)
Posted 21 May 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I wouldn't crunch with my car as I don't run it 24/7.

if it's electric or plug-in hybrid...then you charge it in your garage, right?

so, why not run it? on idle or parked (charging)...


The place I'm staying at right now doesn't have a garage suitable for parking/charging so I park on the street.

A report 2-3 years ago stated something like 60% of US residents live in multi-family housing (condos, apartments, & the like) without access to a location to plug in an electric/hybrid car.
Of course with my old commute, of at least 2.5 hours each way, running something while driving would have been more practical. Now I may drive about 2.5 hours total a week commuting.
1508) Message boards : Number crunching : CPU Benchmarks Did Not Run on Z800 (Message 1682253)
Posted 21 May 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
From the looks of that host it certainly looks like the benchmarks completed.
Measured floating point speed 2874.18 million ops/sec
Measured integer speed 8715.46 million ops/sec
1509) Message boards : Number crunching : Strange Memory Anomaly Caused by BOINC Monitor Gadget -(modified by request)- (Message 1681840)
Posted 20 May 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Here's something to look for:

In your task manager, go to the processes tab and check the box at the bottom that says show processes from all users. Click on the memory column so that you can see the process that is using the most memory at the top. On my work machine the top process right now is FileMaker Pro at about 200MB. Look for svchost.exe and note how much memory it's using. For me that's about 70MB. Now check for windows updates. On my computer, svchost.exe will peak at over 1.8GB before settling down.

I did the same thing on Windows 8.1 and svchost.exe only goes from about 25MB to about 70MB. I would expect Windows 10 to behave similarly.

Most services & background functions run under svchost.exe I have 13 instances of it right now.
Normally for me the item using most of memory is my internet browser. That probably doesn't apply to their system. As it is not common to put that in a machines startup.

If the OP wants to spend the time to try and find out what is going on it can be done. It just requires further investigation. Perhaps using more detailed tools. Such as Microsoft's Process Explorer.
1510) Message boards : Number crunching : Why use CPU on SETi@home? (Message 1681819)
Posted 20 May 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I was just wondering how EFFICIENT is the crunching, 'cause we all spend electricity for it. Mostly, when the last month a bill came for half year change of electricity!

And, btw, my 3 cards are:
1. nVidia Quadro 2000 - listed as 30% of the speed of the Titan, on an office PC
2. intel HD 2500 - listed as 55% of the fastest intel HD 4600, also on an office PC
3. nVidia 730GT - a PCIe 8x card for a server board that I have in my computer.
Not so much, but works!

So I would like to hear from bronze users or less...what is their opinion?
;)

Also, keep in mind that most future users will use CUDA or OpenCL cards in their computers...so that is the future, obviously! ;)

GPU computing is often more efficient in work done per KWh. However there are some kinds of data that GPUs still can not processes as well as CPU. So a GPU may take longer than the CPU in the system to do the same work. As hardware, drivers, and software develop that will likely not always be the case.
SETI@home lets volunteers choose to use whichever resources they like. So you can choose to not use your CPUs for SETI@home if you like. Just change "Use CPU" in your SETI@home preferences.

Personally I only use 3 or 4 GPUs for SETI@home. One of the GPUs is nearly the oldest GPU you can even use for SETI@home. An ancient Nvidia GT 8500. The rest of my crunching comes from the vast number of CPUs I have on hand.
1511) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (97) Server Problems? (Message 1681610)
Posted 20 May 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Since we are now back from the outage I checked to SSP to see how many APs were being split, I'm disappointed.

Yeah, I've just had to let my main rig's CPU have another feed of MB's to keep it happy.

Cheers.


Yea, I REALLY wish there was a setting for "Store X days of MB, and Y days of AP" without having to do it manually. I love AP's but am happy to crunch MB's when they're not available.

But since it is a combined project, we can't do that. :(

Just run 2 clients. Set on for a venue with MB only & the other with AP only. Easy as cake. Piece of pie.
1512) Message boards : Number crunching : Strange Memory Anomaly Caused by BOINC Monitor Gadget -(modified by request)- (Message 1681609)
Posted 20 May 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

Greetings BilBg,

Obviously you did not understand what I was saying in my post, so I will reiterate: :(

The thing I find strange is that since I updated to the latest version of BOINC, when I restart my PC an abnormally larger amount of RAM is being used initially. Then after a few minutes, or so, the RAM usage settles into what the machine normally uses when BOINC is running.

I have done scans for malware and viruses and have checked Task Manager often to see what may be causing this. I have found nothing amiss so I came here to find if there is something else I can do to figure this 'problem' out. I quote the word "problem" because I don't know that it IS a problem. I only know that this has only started since updating BOINC... or perhaps since doing some Microsoft updates... Come to think of it, this may have started after doing MS updates. Ok, I don't have a restore point before those updates since I have done 2 since then.

Ah HAHHHH! It's Microsoft's fault. ;)

Keep on BOINCing...! :)

The signs of RAM going bad are generally not increased memory usage. You would be looking at a system lockup, random reboots, or apps crashing.

You said you have checked task manager often. Alright. What is it you are actually looking at in task manager? You simply listed that your system was going from 50% to ~35% memory usage. That leads me to think you are only looking at the Performance tab & not the Processes tab. Where you can enabled various memory options for programs & sort by the size.
Another handy took is the Resource Monitor. Which you can even open from the Task Manager Performance tab.

Given you have stated you have 8GB of RAM & memory usage goes from about 4GB down to about 2.8GB. Then finding something eating up over 1GB of RAM should take only a moment.
1513) Message boards : News : Network Outage - Sunday May 17th (Message 1681499)
Posted 19 May 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thanks HAL - actually just planting "seed"
Re: Pre and Post Debunking/Troubleshooting potentially "Bad" data from tapes/images; possibly correlating to these highly-magnetic events.
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My thoughts are, to correlate "significant events such as Xclass Solar Flares and CMEs or EMPs or significant Solar winds" Calendar with Recordings Dates and Times, in order to cull these from our precious Time and Efforts.

Or, build-in a specific algorithm or filter(s) to try and salvage the potentially compromised data from these correlated recordings.

I would guess that they would shutdown activity at Arecibo if to much interference would be caused by an event. It would be interesting to see if any data we have processed correlates with any specific events & what the outcome of the data we have processed happens to be.
1514) Message boards : Number crunching : Loading APU to the limit: performance considerations - ongoing research (Message 1681405)
Posted 19 May 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

I am not sure is the iGPU running ~39% & the CPU times still being that high is a bad sign or helps point to something else to try. I plan to try more configs to see if there is one that will make everything magically work together as well as BayTrail in the meantime.
-unroll 4 -ffa_block 64 -ffa_block_fetch 16
-unroll 4 -ffa_block 128 -ffa_block_fetch 32
Then play around with unroll again.


To make your search more targeted:
main loop intervenes FFAs in AP. And time to time, additionally to short FFA much bigger long FFA are performed. So, with Clean01 you could see periodical load in GPU-Z. Also, allocated memory will be change periodically. To separate main loop time from FFA time one can vary corresponding memory buffers size and look for GPU memory usage in GPU-Z. -unroll changes mainloop. -ffa_block_size changes FFA buffers.


With various configurations I have found that I can reduce iGPU usage, as I noted previously. However, I still have not found a config that reduces iGPU load on CPU any further. Maybe it is more correct to say "config to reduce iGPU load on memory" rather than CPU? Since I think focus is on memory contention right now.
1515) Message boards : Number crunching : Disk space error message (Message 1681396)
Posted 19 May 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hiya, Thanks

It took a bit of spotting, I had set max disk usage to 10Gb, leave at least 10% free, and leave at least 100GB free in the BOINC website defaults. This is fine on my old system as BOINC is installed on a 1Tb disk.

The system I've just resurrcted has a 80Gb SSD C drive with everything on it (it'll only run BOINC/ S@H). The leave 100Gb free was the killer :-).

D'OH.

Heh that will do it. While there are some projects that can use huge amounts of disk space. I don't happen to run any of them so I set my disk settings for BOINC a bit more... freely.
Disk
Use no more than	5000 GB
Leave at least		0.001 GB free
Use no more than	100% of total

With the current SETI@home cache limits. Only running AP tasks would give a max disk usage of ~800MB for each device used, or ~2.4GB for a dual GPU system also running CPU.

I don't happen to run BOINC on any drives with 5TB or more of storage. My 24 core system only uses a 2GB RAM drive in fact. I figured this way I wouldn't have to ever worry about any space requirements while running projects. I imagine if I ever run into a situation where I'm out of disk space from BOINC using it all I probably need to upgrade my storage anyway.
1516) Message boards : Number crunching : If I am going to start crunching with my car, it has a radiator. (Message 1681388)
Posted 19 May 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Most car computers are still closed systems, crunching with a car might never be possible, nvidia or not..


Ten years ago that was true, but between smartphone and USB connectivity and built-in OnStar-type cell systems, a very large and growing number of car networks are not closed. Bluetooth, for instance, is standard in almost all new cars, although crunching is not.

Well since I didn't mention a network, a computer system in a car doesn't need to have a network to be a computer, I used a few computers that were programmable that did not have what We today would consider a network, still the cpu I'd think is still closed, usb/bluetooth connections I think just go to the stereos, not to something that is meant to manage the cars engine and transmission for emission purposes, and not for crunching. I doubt the cars cpu will ever be allowed to crunch, since smog emissions are heavily regulated, unless you like dirty air, anything that interfaces with the car's cpu, needs to meet CARB approval, that's the California Air Resources Board, cause that deals with emissions controls. Now Stereos are a different animal altogether, though I doubt you'll see any crunching there either, since Car Stereos are also regulated, by the FCC(the Federal Communications Commission). And even if you could crunch with a cars computer, who in the automotive world is going to let you know how to do that? If that is even possible to do and it may not be. This was an example of cars in California and more than a few states use CA as their standard for smog equipment.


Since I drive VWs I have a tool from http://www.ross-tech.com/ that allows me to change numerous things in my car. Also it is quite a bit more than a simple ODB code reader. While I can change engine parameters to run outside of federal emissions guidelines. I would need to change them back for state inspection & I don't feel the need to do anything like that.
I do adjust several other non engine related settings. Some of which are just enabling features that are not offered in the US. Like opening/closing the windows/sunroof with the key fob or having the option to disable the daytime running lights from the menu.

As you mentioned. I imagine the computer we would be most interested in would be the cars infotainment system rather than the systems that manage important functions such as the engine. I would hazard a guess there are a few people out there that have looked into getting into the infotainment system to have it to their bidding. Once we start getting ones that basically run Android or something something that has the ability to install apps it will probably just be a matter of click, click, install.
Even if the factory systems are not usable right now automotive PCs have been around for more than a decade. In some cases you can have a windows PC in your dash replacing the factory system, or use the backup camera input to connect a PC display. I was told when I got my '15 Golf in December that starting in 2018 backup cameras will be mandatory safety equipment. So that at least gives a video in to use.
1517) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (97) Server Problems? (Message 1681226)
Posted 18 May 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Before we all forget, this website setiathome.berkeley.edu is not where the upload/download servers are located. Open your server response file in the BOINC directory and you will see those are at setiboinc.ssl.berkeley.edu

The website traffic is carried on the normal campus data paths.
The data is carried on the SETI paid for Hurricane Electric path.

Yes the data graph we monitored was the traffic over the Hurricane line. However it is routed though the same hardware as the web pages.
Until recently setiathome.berkeley.edu traced to
t1-3.inr-201-sut.Berkeley.edu [128.32.0.65]
t5-4.inr-211-srb.Berkeley.edu [128.32.255.41]
Now with it tracing to
t2-3.inr-202-reccev.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.0.39]
et3-47.inr-311-ewdc.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.0.103]
It does seem very likely that the Hurricane line will also be routed through the new hardware.
1518) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (97) Server Problems? (Message 1681200)
Posted 18 May 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Well, I think we're closer to figuring out where the new cricket is going to be.
15 234 ms 240 ms * et3-47.inr-311-ewdc.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.0.103]

I just ran a tracert myself, and I came up with et3-47.inr-310.. so I'm not sure if 310 or 311 is going to be the primary, or if it does round-robin for load-balancing.

Regardless, "inr-310/11, 3_47" looks like probably maybe our new home, or really close to it. Unfortunately, the cricket summary pages for inr-310/11 are "temporarily out of service" at present, but based on the DNS name, those are definitely in the colo (ewdc - Earl Warren Data Center), which on the main page for the crickets, all of the entire EWDC section is gone. So.. that's progress, I think.

Thinking they used a logical numbering system for the routers around campus. I first tried cricket pages for 310 & 311 yesterday with the same results you have found. I later tried 200 to 399 also without any luck.

Given these graphs are provided for the "customers" of UC Berkeley Information Services and Technology (IST). I would imagine generating the new pages is on someones "to do" list, but as the priority of a heater repair person in the middle of summer.
1519) Message boards : Number crunching : If I am going to start crunching with my car, it has a radiator. (Message 1680900)
Posted 18 May 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
There was a show I was watching about cars on Discovery ~15ish years ago. Where they made a statement along the lines of "Computers are becoming an important part of how cars work & one day you will measure your cars performance in gigaflops instead of horsepower".
Seems they were not really that far off of the mark.
1520) Message boards : News : Network Outage - Sunday May 17th (Message 1680770)
Posted 17 May 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Expect the unexpected - an FYI - headsup
NASA Spaceweather.com News: 2 items -- coinciding with "our" Network update

GLANCING BLOW ON MAY 17: NOAA forecasters estimate a 45% chance of polar geomagnetic storms on May 17th when a CME is expected to deliver a glancing blow to Earth's magnetic field. The storm cloud was hurled in our direction by a magnetic filament, which erupted away from the sun on May 13th
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Coronal Holes: 15 May 15
A stream of solar wind flowing from the indicated coronal hole should reach Earth on May 18-19. Credit: SDO/AIA.
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Anytime either of these type events occur, otherwise unexplained phenomena tag along ie geo-magnetically influenced phenomena; like cell phones / Wi-Fi and other radio wave/microwave stuff, TV signals and internet connectivity often affected. Usually temporarily but noticeable.

I would venture to say, it's possible that even Arecibo et al recordings could be affected ( by severe "noise" and interference during these events ).

You can always check the Arecibo Observatory Schedule to see if anyone is using the telescope for something that would allow SETI@home to record data.
1521) Message boards : Number crunching : NV GPU - AP bench test run (e.g. @ GT730) (Message 1680476)
Posted 16 May 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
KWSN bench re-enables BOINC on completion. Hence separate handling of this required for multi-instance test.
Again, look provided scripts, they handle this.

Right. I forget that since I use non-standard installation method for BOINC I can just manually stop BOINC & bench scripts treats my machine like there is no BOINC installed. Since registry entry it checks for does not exist.
I copy program directory to machine instead of using installer.
1522) Message boards : Number crunching : NV GPU - AP bench test run (e.g. @ GT730) (Message 1680382)
Posted 16 May 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Not exactly, use "Start CMD /C ":
(but in fact a few seconds difference between starts don't matter so manual start is OK)

Put the file in:
C:\bla\bla\


@Echo OFF

CD bench01
Start CMD /C "APbench211.cmd"
CD ..

CD bench02
Start CMD /C "APbench211.cmd"
CD ..


Only for to be sure ...
You mean this in a .bat file (I added 'exit'(?))? (it looks like now it's named .cmd file, since Win7? - after searching the web)

- - - - - - - - - -
@Echo OFF
CD bench01
Start CMD /C "APbench211.cmd"
CD ..
CD bench02
Start CMD /C "APbench211.cmd"
CD ..
exit
- - - - - - - - - -

Thanks.

For my test to run all processors at the same time I made bench_CPU_4_iGPU.bat like this:
pushd %~dp0
cd APbench_iGPU\
start APbench214.cmd
cd..
cd APbench_CPU.0\
start APbench214.cmd
cd..
cd APbench_CPU.1\
start APbench214.cmd
cd..
cd APbench_CPU.2\
start APbench214.cmd
cd..
cd APbench_CPU.3\
start APbench214.cmd
cd..

The .bat or .cmd extension is acceptable in Win 7 for things like this.
1523) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (97) Server Problems? (Message 1680381)
Posted 16 May 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
And if anyone was wondering about the 800mbit spikes on the cricket, whatever that data is.. it's going up the hill to the lab.



Oh I'm sure there are plans for some serious database work during their 8 hour planned outage in 2 days. It could be backups.

The planned outage is on Sunday. If the boys are going to be doing database work they are student dedicated to the job to work on a Sunday. I most certainly thank them for their dedication & all the hard work.

I wouldn't count on anything being dome. Given the infrastructure in the colo is getting work. Which takes down all network connectivity in & out of the colo most likely.
1524) Message boards : Number crunching : Crunshing suspended when computer's running on battery (Message 1679960)
Posted 15 May 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
... but I'm not able to uncheck the correct box. Any ideas?

To be able to check/uncheck anything - use 'Edit preferences' at the bottom of page.

I've lost count of the number of times I have been thrown off by the new design of that page. "Why isn't it checking/unchecking?! Oh right edit first..."
1525) Message boards : Number crunching : gpu running cpu not ,app_config issue (Message 1679959)
Posted 15 May 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
My app_info file is blank.

That really won't help at all. Either have a fully-populated file, for every app you want to crunch with - or delete the file completely. It is an optional file, after all.

app_info.xml is in SETi@home project dir...read a config & local prefs in BOINC...

what I didn't do?

You didn't put both files in the same directory - they both belong in the project directory.

Wouldn't having a blank app_info.xml would be a problem. I would guess that would cause BOINC to delete all of the current apps on the system?
1526) Message boards : Number crunching : gpu running cpu not ,app_config issue (Message 1679958)
Posted 15 May 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
When pressing read config files(app_ config disabled), i have 8 tasks running in total.
How does that work?
It should do 1 iGPU, 1 nvidia and 4 cpu tasks.

My first guess would be that you have modified the <count>n</count> settings in your app_info.xml. In the absence of an app_config.xml the app_info.xml settings will take over.

My second guess would be that BOINC is acting a little screwy. Which I have seen it do. When changing or adding/removing an app_config.xml. If you restart BOINC & you are still running 8 tasks instead of 6 look at your app_info.xml <count> values. As I previously mentioned.

Also for your app_config.xml running 2 NV & 1 iGPU tasks at a time would look something like this.
I'm not 100% sure I have the right info in <plan_class>. As I don't use an app_info.xml generated from the lunatics installer these days, but you can double check the values that exist in your app_info.xml.

<app_config>
	<app_version>
		<app_name>setiathome_v7</app_name>
		<plan_class>cuda50</plan_class>
		<ngpus>0.5</ngpus>
		<avg_ncpus>0.1</avg_ncpus>
	</app_version>
	<app_version>
		<app_name>setiathome_v7</app_name>
		<plan_class>opencl_intel_gpu_sah</plan_class>
		<ngpus>1.0</ngpus>
		<avg_ncpus>0.1</avg_ncpus>
	</app_version>
</app_config>


Your app_info.xml may have several entries with different plan classes. So you would need to make an app_version entry for each one you are using I expect.

help!

I just put this in my config (1x nVidia Quadro 2000 & 1x iGPU HD2500):
<app_config>	
	<app_version>
		<app_name>setiathome_v7</app_name>
		<plan_class>cuda50</plan_class>
		<ngpus>0.5</ngpus>
		<avg_ncpus>0.1</avg_ncpus>
	</app_version>
	<app_version>
		<app_name>setiathome_v7</app_name>
		<plan_class>cuda32</plan_class>
		<ngpus>0.5</ngpus>
		<avg_ncpus>0.1</avg_ncpus>
	</app_version>
	<app_version>
		<app_name>setiathome_v7</app_name>
		<plan_class>opencl_intel_gpu_sah</plan_class>
		<ngpus>1.0</ngpus>
		<avg_ncpus>0.1</avg_ncpus>
	</app_version>
</app_config>


and it doesn't work! :/

app_info.xml is in SETi@home project dir...read a config & local prefs in BOINC...

what I didn't do?

Well the first issue would be that these settings are for an app_config.xml instead of an app_info.xml.
The header and footer tags <app_config> </app_config> point to while file these settings belong. Where app_info.xml would have <app_info> </app_info>.
1527) Message boards : Number crunching : Result list not updating (Message 1679222)
Posted 13 May 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
And I see that the replica is all caught up now.....

Great!
Now what are we going to complain about? :P
1528) Message boards : Number crunching : Result list not updating (Message 1678527)
Posted 12 May 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
No, it is just the logging not working.
All results are still there.


Thanks :)

@HAL9000
Actually the server doesn't even need to be on while you processes your tasks. So why would you stop processing them?

Sorry. I'm new. Still learning :) I've seen mention of putting pressure on servers etc and thought I'd just check if this was such an occasion. Glad it isn't and thanks for your help.

Generally the "pounding" the servers take is from the several hundred thousand computers all trying to contact the servers at once. There are mechanisms built into the BOINC client to help reduce that automatically. Using back-off delays on the client when it can't connect to the servers in a timely fashion.

The design of BOINC accounts for servers not having 99.999% uptime. So unless there is an announcement from a project to stop doing work. Which I don't believe I have ever seen from SETI@home. You can have your client humming along happily until it can call home again.
1529) Message boards : Number crunching : Result list not updating (Message 1678473)
Posted 11 May 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
None of my tasks listed in boinc manager show up as in progress. Nothing I have reported today shows up either. Still being sent tasks. Should I leave off processing them for the moment?

The display of host or task status is not a critical portion, or even a requirement, for the project to run.

Actually the server doesn't even need to be on while you processes your tasks. So why would you stop processing them?
1530) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows 10 - Yea or Nay? (Message 1678435)
Posted 11 May 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thanks for your information Hal. Are you using windows 10 as a daily driver at work or is this on a test machine?


Test machine only. It still has to much Windows 8ness for me to consider using for my daily machine. However, with enough tweaks & bops to the head it might get there.
1531) Message boards : Number crunching : daily quota of 1 task? (Message 1678368)
Posted 11 May 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
However I would have thought that that would have been cleared by now.


Would the other issues affecting the project have anything to do with that not clearing as quickly as expected?

I wouldn't think the cached info we see on the webpage would be related, but one never knows with BOINC.
1532) Message boards : Number crunching : daily quota of 1 task? (Message 1678337)
Posted 11 May 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
| SETI@home | This computer has finished a daily quota of 1 tasks


WHAT IS THAT?

That normally comes after trashing a bunch of work.
From your host 7564005
4129197955 	1780375942 	5 May 2015, 0:54:18 UTC 	8 May 2015, 11:29:39 UTC 	Abandoned 	0.00 	0.00 	--- 	SETI@home v7 v7.01
4127258717 	1779448968 	4 May 2015, 1:50:56 UTC 	4 May 2015, 20:50:48 UTC 	Abandoned 	0.00 	0.00 	--- 	SETI@home v7 v7.01
4127258826 	1779449024 	4 May 2015, 1:50:56 UTC 	4 May 2015, 20:50:48 UTC 	Abandoned 	0.00 	0.00 	--- 	SETI@home v7 v7.01
4127014206 	1779332312 	3 May 2015, 22:49:59 UTC 	4 May 2015, 1:40:02 UTC 	Abandoned 	0.00 	0.00 	--- 	SETI@home v7 v7.01
4127014768 	1779332516 	3 May 2015, 22:49:59 UTC 	4 May 2015, 1:40:02 UTC 	Abandoned 	0.00 	0.00 	--- 	SETI@home v7 v7.01
4127014639 	1779332430 	3 May 2015, 22:49:59 UTC 	4 May 2015, 1:40:02 UTC 	Abandoned 	0.00 	0.00 	--- 	SETI@home v7 v7.01
4127014642 	1779332372 	3 May 2015, 22:49:59 UTC 	4 May 2015, 1:40:02 UTC 	Abandoned 	0.00 	0.00 	--- 	SETI@home v7 v7.01
4126695481 	1779179677 	3 May 2015, 19:00:51 UTC 	3 May 2015, 22:44:51 UTC 	Abandoned 	0.00 	0.00 	--- 	SETI@home v7 v7.01
4126695089 	1779179483 	3 May 2015, 19:00:51 UTC 	3 May 2015, 22:44:51 UTC 	Abandoned 	0.00 	0.00 	--- 	SETI@home v7 v7.01
4126446336 	1779058738 	3 May 2015, 16:14:55 UTC 	3 May 2015, 16:37:42 UTC 	Aborted by user 	0.00 	0.00 	--- 	SETI@home v7 v7.01
4126446338 	1779058848 	3 May 2015, 16:14:55 UTC 	3 May 2015, 16:37:42 UTC 	Aborted by user 	0.00 	0.00 	--- 	SETI@home v7 v7.01
4126446343 	1779058750 	3 May 2015, 16:14:55 UTC 	3 May 2015, 16:37:42 UTC 	Aborted by user 	0.00 	0.00 	--- 	SETI@home v7 v7.01
4126445840 	1779058427 	3 May 2015, 16:14:55 UTC 	3 May 2015, 16:37:42 UTC 	Aborted by user 	0.00 	0.00 	--- 	SETI@home v7 v7.01
4126446623 	1779059037 	3 May 2015, 16:14:55 UTC 	3 May 2015, 16:37:42 UTC 	Aborted by user 	0.00 	0.00 	--- 	SETI@home v7 v7.01
4126446627 	1779059049 	3 May 2015, 16:14:55 UTC 	3 May 2015, 16:37:42 UTC 	Aborted by user 	0.00 	0.00 	--- 	SETI@home v7 v7.01
4126446630 	1779059055 	3 May 2015, 16:14:55 UTC 	3 May 2015, 16:37:42 UTC 	Aborted by user 	0.00 	0.00 	--- 	SETI@home v7 v7.01
4126446379 	1779058810 	3 May 2015, 16:14:55 UTC 	3 May 2015, 16:37:42 UTC 	Aborted by user 	0.00 	0.00 	--- 	SETI@home v7 v7.01
4126446139 	1779058572 	3 May 2015, 16:14:55 UTC 	3 May 2015, 16:37:42 UTC 	Aborted by user 	0.00 	0.00 	--- 	SETI@home v7 v7.01
4126446162 	1779058880 	3 May 2015, 16:14:55 UTC 	3 May 2015, 16:37:42 UTC 	Aborted by user 	0.00 	0.00 	--- 	SETI@home v7 v7.01
4126446170 	1779058892 	3 May 2015, 16:14:55 UTC 	3 May 2015, 16:37:42 UTC 	Aborted by user 	0.00 	0.00 	--- 	SETI@home v7 v7.01 


Two of your other machines show a lot of the same.
However I would have thought that that would have been cleared by now.
1533) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows 10 - Yea or Nay? (Message 1678239)
Posted 11 May 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The updates take from 3-4 hours of time. About half of that is download and the other half system install time. Now if you have really high speed Internet the download should take less time. My understanding is that these later updates have included the language packs for all languages and that is what is taking so long. There is supposed to be an .iso available for the latest version. I have not seen it as my Win10 computer upgraded on its own. You would only use the latest version if you are going to try it out, you would not use and earlier version and then upgrade it....the latest version is released in both an upgrade, and a full install.

The machine I updated from 10.0.10041 to 10.0.10049 at work I started the download then left for lunch. When I got back, about an hour later, the download & installation was finished. The internet connection in the lab is limited to going though a 100Mb connection.

After the update was done it felt like an update install. Given I had may things reset, but SP installs in older OSs have done similar things as well. That might also have to do with using a local account instead of a MS account.

The .iso for 10.0.10074 is the smallest thus far. Despite having added more things to the OS. Probably due to removing of debug files & such.
1534) Message boards : Number crunching : 9 dollar computer: CHIP (Message 1678227)
Posted 11 May 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
No idea about the FLOPs but I've read somewhere that it shall be faster then the new Rasperry.

edit: Found it, but it's in german: https://www.wired.de/collection/tech/chip-ist-der-erste-neun-dollar-computer-der-welt

Hopefully the Google translated version I read was translated well enough.
This little thin is neat & expect we will be seeing more and more such devices.

The original Raspberry Pi only had a single 700MHz processor & this is a single 1GHz processor. So it is true that it is faster than the Raspberry Pi. However the new Raspberry Pi 2 is a 900MHz quad core processor. If being used for dedicated SETI@home use 4 C.H.I.P.s might be om par with a single Raspberry Pi 2 for roughly the same cost.
It would be neat to have 10 of C.H.I.P. setup & running. Provided the performance/watt is there.

Yes, you are right, so the information in the article I linked isn't correct. Anyway, 10 cores for 90 bucks doesn't sound bad. I guess they use very little power, so they could maybe be driven by a solar panel. Could be an interesting project. The question is if you can connect as much as you like to run them all with a single Boinc manager.

If you mean to configure them in a cluster so BOINC would see it as a single 10 core system. Then they answer would be no. Setting up BOINC so you can control each one from another machine via BOINC Manger is easy. It is what I do for most of my systems.
1535) Message boards : Number crunching : Running BOINC on a Dead System (Message 1678181)
Posted 11 May 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
For system that don't support booting from a USB storage device, or where the USB device must be selected in the BIOS in order to boot, a live disc works.

I imagine that the BOINC portion wouldn't be any different than the Windows PE CDs I made. I configured it to attached to SETI@home on startup & then detach before restarting the system.
1536) Message boards : Number crunching : how to find bottlenecks? (Message 1677288)
Posted 9 May 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Comparing your times to a host with 4 GTX 980s your times are rather similar.

I think the current bottleneck for the newest generations of NVIDIA hardware is the application. In that architecture changes to increase the GFLOPS of the hardware are not as easy to to take advantage of codewise. Which is one of the reasons that running multiple tasks is required to fully utilize the GPU.
1537) Message boards : Number crunching : 9 dollar computer: CHIP (Message 1677148)
Posted 9 May 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
No idea about the FLOPs but I've read somewhere that it shall be faster then the new Rasperry.

edit: Found it, but it's in german: https://www.wired.de/collection/tech/chip-ist-der-erste-neun-dollar-computer-der-welt

Hopefully the Google translated version I read was translated well enough.
This little thin is neat & expect we will be seeing more and more such devices.

The original Raspberry Pi only had a single 700MHz processor & this is a single 1GHz processor. So it is true that it is faster than the Raspberry Pi. However the new Raspberry Pi 2 is a 900MHz quad core processor. If being used for dedicated SETI@home use 4 C.H.I.P.s might be om par with a single Raspberry Pi 2 for roughly the same cost.
It would be neat to have 10 of C.H.I.P. setup & running. Provided the performance/watt is there.
1538) Message boards : Number crunching : 500 credits for 3 sec work (Message 1675194)
Posted 8 May 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Welcome to the random number generator that is CreditNew.
1539) Message boards : Number crunching : What causes a Blank stderr? (Message 1674883)
Posted 7 May 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I will probably need to check is there are references in client_state.xml that need to be modified so that BOINC doesn't trash a task by thinking it has gone missing form the original folder.

Yes there are, but I think only in the 'active task list' at the very bottom of client_state.xml

I haven't looked to see if there are any if the slot files themselves - don't blame me if it goes wrong.

When I got home from work I checked my HTPC & it happened to have slots 0-5 with the slot 3 folder being empty. Normally there should only be 0-4 for 4 CPU & 1 ATI GPU task. Restarting BOINC caused the 3 folder to be removed. Now I wonder if it will continue with 0,1,2,4,5 or add a new 3 slot folder. Rather than force anything I'm just going to see what happens now.
Looking over the data in the slot folders init_data.xml also contains the tasks slot number. So that would need to be changed if moving a task to a new slot I expect.
1540) Message boards : Number crunching : What causes a Blank stderr? (Message 1674831)
Posted 7 May 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I looked at the modified date on the slot folders and the files inside, and they were from weeks prior.

The quirk of BOINC leaving empty folders behind still exists in 7.4.42.

BOINC does trim the slot list by removing empty and unused folders when the client restarts - I've just watched one of mine drop the folder range from 0..9 to 0..7 as it started up. But I don't know whether it only removes folders after the last one currently in use, or whether it could ever leave 'holes' in the folder list by removing empty ones in the middle.

I'd guess non-empty folders wouldn't get deleted, whether or not an active task was marked as using them (though I haven't checked the code). According to the logic I posted yesterday, they should be emptied (files deleted) if BOINC ever finds it needs to re-use the slot, and if that works - and the subsequent clean when the task finishes works too - that should release the slot for purging at the next restart.

I did forget that the current versions do clean up while starting. The next time I see stray empty slot folders I may try moving data from one of the low numbered ones to the highest to see if it will delete middle number folders. I will probably need to check is there are references in client_state.xml that need to be modified so that BOINC doesn't trash a task by thinking it has gone missing form the original folder.
1541) Message boards : Number crunching : What causes a Blank stderr? (Message 1674798)
Posted 7 May 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I don't know if this particularly helps in any way or not, but I just wanted to add that I have lots of experience with deleting large amounts of data, whether it be lots of tiny files, or one or two large files. Both of those conditions take more than a few seconds on an average mechanical platter hard drive, and even still take a few seconds on an SSD, though it is noticeably faster on the SSD. It still takes mine a good 2-3 seconds to delete a 5GB file. Likewise, it took almost 20 seconds to delete a folder that had 147,000 files.

So since MW uses large files that it then has to delete at the end of the task, it is reasonable to conclude that deleting takes too long before the next task attempts to use that slot.

Speaking of slots, though I've never seen any issues myself, I have, on occasion, seen more slots in use than I should have. I only crunch on 3 cores of my CPU, so my slots should only ever be 0,1,2. At one point, I noticed I had a 3 and a 4, and no tasks were moved up to high-priority and I hadn't suspended some to run others, either. The more interesting thing about that is.. slots 3 and 4 stayed, even though my cache had completely emptied-out (because APs were scarce..again). I looked at the modified date on the slot folders and the files inside, and they were from weeks prior.

Granted, yes, I'm using an older version of BOINC (6.10.58) and I'm sure a lot of quirks have been fixed since that build, but I feel that my occasional observations here and there seem to support the notion that deleting the files takes longer than expected, and BOINC doesn't appear to actually check that the slot is empty before using it again. ...or something along those lines. It certainly seems like you guys have gone from "this is a noted random thing" to "we're pretty sure it has to do with files not being deleted in a timely fashion," so.. that's pretty good progress by itself.

The quirk of BOINC leaving empty folders behind still exists in 7.4.42.
1542) Message boards : Number crunching : gpu running cpu not ,app_config issue (Message 1674658)
Posted 7 May 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Your app_info.xml may have several entries with different plan classes. So you would need to make an app_version entry for each one you are using I expect.

App_info.xml files generated by the Lunatics installer do indeed contain multiple different plan classes (especially for MB applications for NVidia). They are there purely to smooth the transitional path and to avoid losing cached work, either when installing Lunatics for the first time, or when re-installing to change one or more of the selected applications.

Once cached work present at the time of transition has been processed, the only plan classes active will be the first listed for each application/GPU combination - AP or MB, ATI, NV or Intel. That cuts down the list - and if tasks are present on the machine, the plan class they are assigned to is visible in BOINC Manager, in parentheses at the extreme right of the Application column (you may need to make the column wider to read the full text).

App_info.xml needs to contain entries for every application that you want to run: app_config.xml only needs to contain entries where you want to change the default behaviour (whether that default comes from web preferences or an app_info.xml file) - which means that app_config.xml can be much shorter and simpler.

That makes sense, but it works that way anyway. Which is not always the case when dealing with BOINC.
1543) Message boards : Number crunching : AMD ATI Radeon HD 2300/2400/3200/4200 (RV610) (336MB) - SETI/AP possible? (Message 1674657)
Posted 7 May 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
From the Lunatics v0.43a release:
"Please note that HD2xxx cards requiring brook (Hybrid) applications are not currently supported by Lunatics for Astropulse v7 - the brook application is supplied for cleaning up any AP v6 tasks that may be in progress."

So only ATI GPUs that support OpenCL. Some low end HD4000 didn't get OpenCL support. I think it was the the HD4650 someone was looking at adding to their old machine recently. Which can support OpenCL, but not all manufactures enabled it in their firmware. My HD4870 didn't have much of a problem with OpenCL

I moved my HD3450's over to collatz & I'm planing to try out Moo! Wrapper on them sometime.

It was me with HD4650 on old AGP slot...it should work only on SSE2 procesors! ;)

But tell me more about that HD3450 card...'cause I have one in a laptop, that could crunch sthg... ;)

Umm well I have 5 of them crunching at Collatz right now. They are not super fast, but slow & steady.
1544) Message boards : Number crunching : What causes a Blank stderr? (Message 1674552)
Posted 7 May 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I just asked why blank results happen, not the entire programming behind it, LOL

This may be of interest to you programmers.

I have 2 identical 750ti in 2 computers, both running 2 MB tasks at a time.

AMD 4200+, no blanks, running clean
INTEL 2.9GHz, occasional blanks

So it could be the speed of the processor (stop/start speed), or the difference in AMD/INTEL architecture.

If you are looking at my errors, that was caused by a computer crash that corrupted some STEI files, Reinstalled and it deleted my berkly folded (grr)

I would expect the different OS on each machine is more likely a factor in the issue.
It could be related to issues I've had deleting files/folder in Windows. Since the release of Vista. Which only got better post Windows 7 SP1.
1545) Message boards : Number crunching : gpu running cpu not ,app_config issue (Message 1674549)
Posted 7 May 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
When pressing read config files(app_ config disabled), i have 8 tasks running in total.
How does that work?
It should do 1 iGPU, 1 nvidia and 4 cpu tasks.

My first guess would be that you have modified the <count>n</count> settings in your app_info.xml. In the absence of an app_config.xml the app_info.xml settings will take over.

My second guess would be that BOINC is acting a little screwy. Which I have seen it do. When changing or adding/removing an app_config.xml. If you restart BOINC & you are still running 8 tasks instead of 6 look at your app_info.xml <count> values. As I previously mentioned.

Also for your app_config.xml running 2 NV & 1 iGPU tasks at a time would look something like this.
I'm not 100% sure I have the right info in <plan_class>. As I don't use an app_info.xml generated from the lunatics installer these days, but you can double check the values that exist in your app_info.xml.

<app_config>
	<app_version>
		<app_name>setiathome_v7</app_name>
		<plan_class>cuda50</plan_class>
		<ngpus>0.5</ngpus>
		<avg_ncpus>0.1</avg_ncpus>
	</app_version>
	<app_version>
		<app_name>setiathome_v7</app_name>
		<plan_class>opencl_intel_gpu_sah</plan_class>
		<ngpus>1.0</ngpus>
		<avg_ncpus>0.1</avg_ncpus>
	</app_version>
</app_config>


Your app_info.xml may have several entries with different plan classes. So you would need to make an app_version entry for each one you are using I expect.
1546) Message boards : Number crunching : gpu running cpu not ,app_config issue (Message 1674505)
Posted 6 May 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hi
I have an intel and a nvidia GPU.
I want the nvidia to run 2 tasks at a time and the intel 1.(and all cpus
I have an app_config.xml:
<app_config>
<app>
<name>setiathome_v7</name>
<max_concurrent>3</max_concurrent>
<gpu_versions>
<gpu_usage>0.5</gpu_usage>
<cpu_usage>0.1</cpu_usage>
</gpu_versions>
</app>
</app_config>
It works, but the CPU tasks are not running.
I am using lunatics 0.43a on win8 machine,latest boinc version.

Any ideas?

You have specified in your app_config.xml that you wish for BOINC to only run a maximum of 3 SETI@home tasks at a time. So if you are running 3 GPU tasks then you can run 0 more other tasks. If you suspend GPU processing your CPU tasks should start.
1547) Message boards : Number crunching : MBv7 re-observation of MBv6 processed data - optimization is possible? (Message 1674433)
Posted 6 May 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
As I understand, current tapes were processed by MultiBeam v6 and now get re-process with MultiBeam v7. Is it right?

And have been doing for several months. I get asked periodically why no new tapes have appeared in the SETI data distribution history. No new tapes (disks, actually) are known to have been received from Arecibo since 5 December 2014, and we'd processed all those before the turn of the year.

I am curious about this as well.
Are we not getting new data from Arecibo? If not, why not?
I am not sure what the usual turn around time for a box of drives from Arecibo has been in the past.

Or have we been getting more data but just not rolling it out due to unresolved database issues?

It was mentioned when the got the last shipment of data that is was only a partial full box of drives. Which they only did because we were out of data to split at the time.
It could be that whomever is paying for the time at Arecibo is doing something that is incompatible with the recording data for us. Such as looking for near Earth objects that may impact the planet.
There is a site that lists the scheduled activity for Arecibo. Which might give a hint as to how much they have been able to record.
1548) Message boards : Number crunching : Monster GPU Cruncher Build (Message 1674381)
Posted 6 May 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
AFAIK, BOINC can manage up to 8 GPU chips.

(So 4 (dual GPU) AMD HD7990 VGA cards are OK.)

8 GPU chips is the max?

(I could add 3 NVidia GPUs (low profile (1 slot wide) VGA cards), if I use PCIe riser for 4 slots, 3 slots are unused. And CreditNew isn't screwed up if I use (NVidia (other manufacturer)) VGA cards with other performance.)

[EDIT: E.g. 2048MB KFA² GeForce GTX 750 Ti Razor - 75IPH8HXB9XX (max 60W usage)]

But then this would mean BOINC must manage 11 GPU chips - is this possible?

Thanks.

As I recall the BOINC client can use more, but BOINC server code would only believe there were up to 8. I think this was updated 16 at some point, or maybe there was only talk of it. There has also been mention of driver limits for the total number of GPUs as well.
1549) Message boards : Number crunching : What causes a Blank stderr? (Message 1674379)
Posted 6 May 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
makes sense, but David's 3 step process there implies the use of mutexes (locks, atomic transactions etc), which aren't in the code. #1 and #2 can succeed but the file not be physically deleted yet. That's [asynchronous] buffered IO, and doesn't occur in sequence (unless you make it so, [with additional logic])

To me it seems the addition of a "Check folder is actually empty before reuse" would solve the issue.

Perhaps adding a layer with the project name to the \slots\ folder might help resolve some issues as well. Something like the what \projects\ folder has.
\slots\setiathome.berkeley.edu\0
\slots\setiathome.berkeley.edu\1
\slots\milkyway.cs.rpi.edu_milkyway\0
\slots\milkyway.cs.rpi.edu_milkyway\1
However, I imagine that could break all the current science apps if they use a simple "I'm in slot 0" type of communication to the core client & there were two slot 0 folders.
Of course the same number scheme could be retained.
\slots\setiathome.berkeley.edu\0
\slots\setiathome.berkeley.edu\1
\slots\milkyway.cs.rpi.edu_milkyway\2
\slots\milkyway.cs.rpi.edu_milkyway\3
1550) Message boards : Number crunching : AMD ATI Radeon HD 2300/2400/3200/4200 (RV610) (336MB) - SETI/AP possible? (Message 1674361)
Posted 6 May 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
From the Lunatics v0.43a release:
"Please note that HD2xxx cards requiring brook (Hybrid) applications are not currently supported by Lunatics for Astropulse v7 - the brook application is supplied for cleaning up any AP v6 tasks that may be in progress."

So only ATI GPUs that support OpenCL. Some low end HD4000 didn't get OpenCL support. I think it was the the HD4650 someone was looking at adding to their old machine recently. Which can support OpenCL, but not all manufactures enabled it in their firmware. My HD4870 didn't have much of a problem with OpenCL

I moved my HD3450's over to collatz & I'm planing to try out Moo! Wrapper on them sometime.
1551) Message boards : Number crunching : What causes a Blank stderr? (Message 1674207)
Posted 5 May 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
... I hope he gets it fixed as the validate errors in milkyway are too large to ignore.

The Stderr is not actually the science result. So if it missing or damaged it doesn't really effect anything for the project.

At Milkyway, the science result is reported back via stderr: they don't use a separate upload file. So Keith's point is valid - an illustration of the dangers of over-generalising from experience of just one project.

Ah yes that would tend to be a much large issue in that case. Is the stderr intended to be the default method of reporting results for BOINC? Or is Milkyway just an exception to the rule?
1552) Message boards : Number crunching : What causes a Blank stderr? (Message 1674014)
Posted 5 May 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=76946&postid=1655230#1655230

No application developer has ever chimed in with why we see this. Believe me, I've asked.


I think Jason in the above post has a good handle on the stderr truncated or missing, boincapi issue.

although he may have given up on fighting city hall, I hope he gets it fixed
as the validate errors in milkyway are too large to ignore.

The Stderr is not actually the science result. So if it missing or damaged it doesn't really effect anything for the project.

The thread Strange Invalid MB Overflow tasks with truncated Stderr outputs... may also have some information, but from what I recall it is a persistent BOINC issue.
1553) Message boards : Number crunching : COMBINING COMPUTERS (Message 1673473)
Posted 3 May 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I'm not sure why the server didn't pick up the old ID for that machine. It automatically worked for me about 2 weeks ago. There may have been a time right after the creation of the new ID that you could have merged the old ID into the new one, but the server will not allow it at this point. The reason would be that there are overlapping time/dates for the two IDs.
Computer 6114328
Created 24 Jul 2011, 20:26:48 UTC
Last contact 30 Apr 2015, 3:27:52 UTC

Computer 7560008
Created 29 Apr 2015, 15:38:06 UTC
Last contact 3 May 2015, 18:37:51 UTC

So if you want to keep the old ID the only solution is to force the old ID with the instruction Claggy provided. Not that host records are actually that important. From time to time I generate new IDs for my machines to reduce the clutter in the host Application details.
1554) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (97) Server Problems? (Message 1672889)
Posted 2 May 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
that tape might have the signal

That would be so awesome if .5 or .9 of a megabyte held the answer that we are all looking for


42

:D

6 * 9 = 42. It checks out. At least for base 13 maths.
1555) Message boards : Number crunching : 1st NV driver for GT730 and Win8.1 x64? (Message 1672796)
Posted 1 May 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Driver 337.88 was released on 2014.05.26 & the GT 730 was released 2014.06.18. So it is likely the first driver to support the GT 730.

Since the GT 730 is just a rebanded GT 630. You might be able to use an older driver and update the .inf with the PNPID from the GT 730, but it looks like the GT 630 drivers only go back to 331.58.
1556) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (97) Server Problems? (Message 1672794)
Posted 1 May 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Tape 21jn12aa is 0.00 GB it will be interesting to see whether this is an aesthetic error or whether or not this tape will be completely skipped it has (done) on the AP side with the MBs still to be split.

I imagine it has < 0.005 GB of data. Otherwise I would expect it to display 0.01GB. Unless they don't do any rounding in displaying that figure. Then it might be 0.009GB.
1557) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (97) Server Problems? (Message 1672763)
Posted 1 May 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I count 12 AP tapes mounted in the last 10 hours and I was sent one AP WU during that same period. Anybody doing better? They must be going somewhere.

It looks like I've grabbed ~120 AP so far today.


On the whole day I have 30 but all but one were before 10:00 UTC. When they go to single tapes with breaks in between I generally end up with none or one or two at the most. Not sure why that is.

Looks like most of mine were before 10:00 as well. With 23 from 1 May 2015, 10:04:25 UTC & later. The last one was 1 May 2015, 17:00:05 UTC. So ~4 hours ago.

Out of my 30 or so machines only about 20 are even configured to run AP. So that is only like 6 per machine for today.
1558) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (97) Server Problems? (Message 1672746)
Posted 1 May 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I count 12 AP tapes mounted in the last 10 hours and I was sent one AP WU during that same period. Anybody doing better? They must be going somewhere.

It looks like I've grabbed ~120 AP so far today.
1559) Message boards : Number crunching : Intel® iGPU AP bench test run (e.g. @ J1900) (Message 1671773)
Posted 30 Apr 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thanks! :-)

Is there a way to edit the ATI/AMD GPU name also, for to show the really installed GPU card?

Until now I don't have, but soon I will.

I'll inform me about the 'hex editors' later ...
You could recommend an 'easy' tool for 'beginner'?

Thanks.

One of the hex editors I use often can be had here.
Modifying the GPU strings is just as easy as the other example.

Find what BOINC is displaying.
http://www.hal6000.com/seti/images/boinc_mod_3.png
Then make it say what you would like.
http://www.hal6000.com/seti/images/boinc_mod_4.png

If you have two machines with different GPUs in the same family. Such as the string "AMD Radeon HD 7870/7950/7970/R9 280X series (Tahiti)". You would have to save different versions of boinc.exe for a HD7950 in one machine & a R9 280X in the other.
1560) Message boards : Number crunching : Quick Question on BOINC 7.4.42 Cosmetics (Message 1671769)
Posted 30 Apr 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Or you could just use the previous version of boincmgr.exe if you liked how it looked better.
1561) Message boards : Number crunching : Intel® iGPU AP bench test run (e.g. @ J1900) (Message 1671730)
Posted 29 Apr 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I hope you don't get 100+ PMs/day of other members who want to know how you mod BOINC. ;-)
It's a big deal?
'Advanced' SETI users like me could do this also?
For to prevent your PM inbox overflows, maybe you could explain it how you mod BOINC?

(@ all: BTW, why the stock BOINC software don't show the correct ATI/AMD GPU card name (series) like NVidia? It's an impossible feature?)

It's a pity that it's not longer possible to do this over the registry. :-(
I had an automatically task which were executed at every boot up, so not needed to do it manually after every switch off.

Thanks.

- - - - - - - - - -

It looks like you use same MHz + CL like I do:

My ASRock Q1900DC-ITX board is running with:
8GB G.Skill DDR3L-1333 SO-DIMM CL9 Dual Kit (2x4GB) - Low Voltage 1.35V - 1333MHz @ CL9-9-9-24 - F3-1333C9D-8GSL

I've been telling people for years that I mod BOINC to do my bidding. Normally after the "How do you do that" & I tell them "With a hex editor" that normally scares them away. If you don't know what you are doing in a hex editor you can screw things up very quickly.
To me it isn't a big deal. There are several text string that are available to change so it is just a simple matter of blanking out the things I don't want or replacing the text where I want to change it.

Now here comes the "Don't try this at home kids!" section.
-Exit BOINC so it isn't running.
-Make a backup of boinc.exe so you have the original to go back to when something bad happens.
-Open your preferred hex editor application.
-Load boinc.exe
-Locate the text string you wish to change
Here we will be removing the [Family A Model B Stepping C] string from being dispalyed.
http://www.hal6000.com/seti/images/boinc_mod_1.png
-Replace the hex vales with zeros. DO NOT ADD OR DELETE DATA. Replace.
http://www.hal6000.com/seti/images/boinc_mod_2.png
-Save the modifications.
-Place the modified boinc.exe in your BOINC program directory & run as normal.

This is the same process I use for my Pentium III 850MHz machine. As it doesn't have and CPUID name data.

The reason they can't get the exact ATI GPU model name has to do with how NV & ATI respond to an API call asking for the GPU model name. They had trouble early on getting the actual GPU name from ATI cards. So they hard code the displayed name into groups to save time as I recall.
It seems they do something similar with the Operating System string for Windows as well. Given this machine is running Windows 10 & not Windows 8.1 as it is displayed with BOINC 7.2.42. Where BOINC 7.4.42 will display "Windows 10".
1562) Message boards : Number crunching : Intel® iGPU AP bench test run (e.g. @ J1900) (Message 1671697)
Posted 29 Apr 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Given iGPU uses system memory. I imagine memory CL times may effect iGPU run times. This is the memory I happen to be using in my system.
http://www.hal6000.com/seti/images/j1900_mem-config.png
It was from a project at work where we were throwing away things. So I helped myself to the memory instead of it going in the trash.
1563) Message boards : Number crunching : Updated OpenCL AstroPulse coming main (Message 1671468)
Posted 29 Apr 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Maybe some already noticed that we got AstroPulse OpenCL app update for Windows and Linux.
These binaries are the best currently available ones so I would recommend those who use anonymous platform config to update to these stock ones.

thx, will check if it works on a laptop's HD 3450m... ;)

Unfortunately the HD3000 series don't support OpenCL & the HD4000 series had "beta" OpenCL support.

can you please confirm that AGP HD4650 will crunch the SETI@home? just found one for my old system, for cheap... ;)

At the moment you can get a HD4650 to work. There some caveats. Such as you MUST use an older drive that still has OpenCL support for the HD4000 series. I forget if it is 12.4 or 12.6 at the moment, but drivers from 2012 either way. Then the next issue may if the apps will still support OpenCL 1.0 cards. That is up to the app developer Raistmer. An ATi HD5000 card is a safer bet.

Would SETI@home work on a Pentium3 machine with SSE?

Or should I put it in a dual Athlon board? ;)

The SETI@home(MB) GPU apps only require SSE, but the Astropulse GPU apps require SSE2. Based on their file naming conventions.
1564) Message boards : Number crunching : Intel® iGPU AP bench test run (e.g. @ J1900) (Message 1671343)
Posted 29 Apr 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
From AstroPulse v7 rev 2742 <stderr_txt>:
CPUID:       Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU  J1900  @ 1.99GHz 

     Cache: L1=64K L2=1024K

CPU features: FPU TSC PAE CMPXCHG8B APIC SYSENTER MTRR CMOV/CCMP MMX FXSAVE/FXRSTOR SSE SSE2 HT SSE3 SSSE3 SSE4.1 SSE4.2 

- - - - - - - - - -
Just curious, HAL9000's J1900 show BOINC as:
Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU J1900 @ 1.99GHz
[Microsoft Windows 7]

My J1900:
Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU J1900 @ 1.99GHz [Family 6 Model 55 Stepping 8]
[Microsoft Windows 8.1]

@ HAL9000, you made something 'specially' that the 'CPUs [ ] infos' aren't shown?
- - - - - - - - - -

Since January '15 the Intel driver do a good job, everything work fine.
Contrary to the wisdom 'don't change things on a well running machine' (the following) ... ;-)

I use still the v10.18.10.3408 Intel driver from the driver DVD which came with the MoBo.
Maybe a newer driver would effect a speed difference (I hope a speed up! ;-)?
Where I can download newer (for SETI/AP apps recommended) and how I uninstall correct the old driver first before upgrade (until now I have just experiences with NVidia GPUs in this case)?

Thanks.

I modify boinc.exe to not display [Family A Model B Stepping C] information. I don't like how it messes up my computers view. I also modify it to show the exact ATI model name instead of a generic series name.
This is also why I don't change versions often. As I have to modify boinc.exe each time.

On the drivers the saying here is "if it isn't broke, don't fix it". With Intel that has been shown to be good. As they sometimes break the drivers to cause garbage results. So far I have had no problems with release 4061. Display Driver Uninstaller supports Intel drivers too, but I have installed over the top of the old driver the past few times without any issues.
1565) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (97) Server Problems? (Message 1671332)
Posted 29 Apr 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
FYI I think we *may* have figured out our general problems in the science server giving it fits the past month. We still have a lot of migration to do from the old result table to the new one, and to play it safe I'll be doing the migration during assimilator "outages" so the assimilators and migrators aren't beating on the database at the same time. So - if you see the assimilators offline over the next couple of weeks during the day, that's why. Then they will catch up at night.

- Matt

Good to hear the battle with the machines may be turning in your favor.
1566) Message boards : Number crunching : opencl_ati5_nocal Tasks Crashing (Message 1671330)
Posted 29 Apr 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Adding to what TBar mentioned about making sure you get all bit of the old driver out before installing a new one.
BOINC is reporting your GPU as "AMD ATI Radeon HD 5400 series (Cedar) (1024MB) driver: 1.4.1741". Which indicates drivers 12.6 to 13.4. Cat 13.1 is known to have an OpenCL bug & is defiantly a no go for SETI@home. MY HD5750 is running fine with Cat 14.9, but that version has an issue where the Control Center can crash sometimes. So I use Cat 14.4 on two of my other system.
1567) Message boards : Number crunching : Head scratcher_estimate clock on this (Message 1671327)
Posted 29 Apr 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
CPU features: FPU TSC PAE CMPXCHG8B APIC SYSENTER MTRR CMOV/CCMP MMX FXSAVE/FXRSTOR SSE SSE2 HT SSE3 SSSE3 FMA3 SSE4.1 SSE4.2 AVX SSE4A XOP FMA4
=
Your chip is definitely a true 8 core with 8 Threads and AVX x64 (bit)
=
Intel getting ready to launch it's first true 8 core and they're $1000 bucks!
Up til now their 8 core "rated" CPU only had 4 cores +4 logical


Be careful with the wording there. The part where it says "Your chip is definitely a true 8 core with 8 threads..." is in reference to not using virtual cores with Hyperthreading. Your AMD FX83xx series CPU still has only 4 FPU "cores" - each ALU shares an FPU.

And while that chip may be cheaper than the Intels, you're paying more per watt over the course of a year due to higher electricity usage.

Mind you, I'm just giving you the facts. I'm not an Intel or AMD fanboy (even though I currently use mostly Intel). I'm just a general nerd for the entire x86 market. :-)

I would also point out Intel has been selling CPUs with 8c/16t since 2010 & the 8c/8t Atom was released in 2013 for < $200.
1568) Message boards : Number crunching : Updated OpenCL AstroPulse coming main (Message 1671325)
Posted 29 Apr 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Someone please explain to me why I can't use my HD3000 running Intel OpenCL CPU 1.2.
I tested it with CompuBench 1.5.6. It didn't find any problems or deficiencies and BOINC recognizes it.

Sure. Intel doesn't support OpenCL in your GPU.See =url=http://www.intel.com/support/graphics/sb/CS-033757.htm]Intel OpenCL support list[/url].

A seventh generation iGPU or newer is required. Seventh generation iGPUs are found in Ivy Bridge & Haswell CPUs. While eighth generation iGPUs are currently found in Broadwell CPUs.
1569) Message boards : Number crunching : Intel® iGPU AP bench test run (e.g. @ J1900) (Message 1671172)
Posted 28 Apr 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Actually the Intel Celeron J1900 it's classified as SoC (by the way all the Core generations with integrated memory controller and gpu belong to this taxonomy).
http://www.intel.com/content/dam/www/public/us/en/documents/datasheets/pentium-n3520-j2850-celeron-n2920-n2820-n2815-n2806-j1850-j1750-datasheet.pdf
Note the GPIO interface...
The processor do have support for SSE4.1 and SSE4.2 s.i.m.d instructions set.

I think Intel classifies it as SoC because it functions without an external south-bridge. So the whole "system" is on the chip. The only external IC needed is memory. Some of their mobile Bay Trail SoC also include memory.
1570) Message boards : Number crunching : Updated OpenCL AstroPulse coming main (Message 1671170)
Posted 28 Apr 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The 4650 was a bit tricky.
Some cards are working some dont have OpenCL support.
Last time i asked Raistmer the code was OpenCL 1.0 compatible.
From this point i dont see a problem.

Sound like maybe some manufactures didn't implement OpenCL in their firmware in that case.
1571) Message boards : Number crunching : Updated OpenCL AstroPulse coming main (Message 1671139)
Posted 28 Apr 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Maybe some already noticed that we got AstroPulse OpenCL app update for Windows and Linux.
These binaries are the best currently available ones so I would recommend those who use anonymous platform config to update to these stock ones.

thx, will check if it works on a laptop's HD 3450m... ;)

Unfortunately the HD3000 series don't support OpenCL & the HD4000 series had "beta" OpenCL support.

can you please confirm that AGP HD4650 will crunch the SETI@home? just found one for my old system, for cheap... ;)

At the moment you can get a HD4650 to work. There some caveats. Such as you MUST use an older drive that still has OpenCL support for the HD4000 series. I forget if it is 12.4 or 12.6 at the moment, but drivers from 2012 either way. Then the next issue may if the apps will still support OpenCL 1.0 cards. That is up to the app developer Raistmer. An ATi HD5000 card is a safer bet.
1572) Message boards : Number crunching : Intel® iGPU AP bench test run (e.g. @ J1900) (Message 1671127)
Posted 28 Apr 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I saw something strange on my J1900 board.

Normally, AFAIK, in past with WinXP x86:
Intel Core2 Extreme QX6700 (Intel's 1st 4-Core-CPU, with 2x 2-Core-chips inside):
I suspend all tasks in BOINC, just let run one task.
Task-Manager say 25% CPU usage - OK.

Intel Core2 Duo E7600 (2-Core-CPU):
I suspend all tasks in BOINC, just let run one task.
Task-Manager say 50% CPU usage - OK.

Now the strange ... with Intel Celeron J1900 (4-Core-CPU (2x L2-Cache, so maybe 'like' QX6700?)) and Win8.1 x64:
I suspend all tasks in BOINC, just let run one task.
Task-Manager say ~30% CPU usage (30% of the CPU) - strange.
Let run 2 tasks, 2x ~30% usage (60% of the CPU) - strange?
Let run 3 tasks, 3x ~30% usage (90% of the CPU) - strange! ;-)

The stock AP 7.09 (r2742) iGPU app use 0-3% CPU (up & down).
So finally up to ~93% CPU usage if 3x CPU + 1x iGPU tasks (on a J1900 CPU).

Is this normal or strange?


I tested live -use_sleep and without this settings (r2742):
Both times with: -v 0 -unroll 5 -ffa_block 1472 -ffa_block_fetch 368 -hp -tune 1 64 2 1 -oclFFT_plan 32 8 256 -cpu_lock -instances_per_device 1
With 4x AP CPU tasks simultaneously both times.
Without -use_sleep:
Run time 16 hours 55 min 28 sec (60,928 sec)
CPU time 34 min 2 sec (2,042 sec)
single pulses: 4
repetitive pulses: 1
percent blanked: 18.39
With -use_sleep:
Run time 18 hours 15 min 34 sec (65,734 sec)
CPU time 26 min 8 sec (1,568 sec)
single pulses: 6
repetitive pulses: 0
percent blanked: 15.48

I don't know if the results and %blankeds are ~similar enough for to make the conclusion:
With -use_sleep (compared to without -use_sleep):
Calculation time: +4,806 sec (1 hour 26 min)
CPU time usage: -474 sec (7 min 54 sec)

Before we start to make a comparison what this means (longer iGPU calculation times and less CPU time usage - means 'faster' CPU tasks calculations then) ... best settings for max whole PC RAC.

What means the CPU time usage (in OS/BOINC phrasing)?
From the above mentioned example with -use_sleep:
1,568 sec of the whole CPU, or (x4) 6,272 sec on one CPU-Core?

OK, enough until now.

Thanks.

Your system CPU load in Windows 8.1 with < 4 tasks running seems high to me. For comparison this is my J1900. Running Windows 7 & I have most of the annoying unused background processes turned off.
http://www.hal6000.com/seti/images/j1900_1-task.png
http://www.hal6000.com/seti/images/j1900_2-task.png
http://www.hal6000.com/seti/images/j1900_3-task.png
http://www.hal6000.com/seti/images/j1900_3-task_processes.png
http://www.hal6000.com/seti/images/j1900_4-task_processes.png
In my case since I use vnc to connect to the machine it adds some CPU usage normally 1-2% but sometimes 4-5%. That is reflected in 1 CPU task graph.
1573) Message boards : Number crunching : Intel® iGPU AP bench test run (e.g. @ J1900) (Message 1671126)
Posted 28 Apr 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
http://ark.intel.com/it/products/80818/Intel-Core-i5-4460S-Processor-6M-Cache-up-to-3_40-GHz

http://ark.intel.com/it/products/78867/Intel-Celeron-Processor-J1900-2M-Cache-up-to-2_42-GHz


Wow, did not expect Intel marketing department SO bad... They even can't compare 2 devices with common set of options... What instruction set J1900 supports for example?

What could be easier than just to take set of options, form table and fill that table, for both devices. And not to invent new table for each one?....

There have always been lots of holes in the data on the Intel site. You can really tell when you do a compare: http://ark.intel.com/compare/75048,78867
1574) Message boards : Number crunching : Loading APU to the limit: performance considerations - ongoing research (Message 1670999)
Posted 28 Apr 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
-ffa_block defines how many periods will be processed together on all FFA stages.
While -ffa_block_fetch defines how many periods will be used together on most lengthy part where initial folding from linear data file occurs.
in FFA fetch input data file the same for all periods. But it folded differently and form separate new data array for each period. Then those folded arrays processed further.

Thanks. From that it made sense to me to try higher ratios such as 4:1 & 8:1 on Haswell.
After a few runs it seems 4:1 ratio is "sweet spot" for iGPU. It happens that Dirk also found that to be best ratio for values in their iGPU AP tuning thread with the J1900 in stand alone testing.
I decided to do some quick tests just doing 4CPU+iGPU. I started with -unroll 4 -ffa_block 512 -ffa_block_fetch 128 & -unroll 4 -ffa_block 256 -ffa_block_fetch 64 with pretty good results. CPU run times about 15% lower than default config.
Then for to be silly I ran -unroll 4 -ffa_block 32 -ffa_block_fetch 8. This ran the iGPU time up very high. From the normal 90-100sec to ~250sec, but it also lowered the CPU time. From 280sec average for to 210sec average. It's not the 148sec average CPU time baseline without iGPU, but it is getting closer.
GPUz shows the iGPU load running ~39% with 90% spikes with that config. So longer iGPU times & faster CPU times would clearly be expected. Since iGPU is only being used about half the time.

I am not sure is the iGPU running ~39% & the CPU times still being that high is a bad sign or helps point to something else to try. I plan to try more configs to see if there is one that will make everything magically work together as well as BayTrail in the meantime.
-unroll 4 -ffa_block 64 -ffa_block_fetch 16
-unroll 4 -ffa_block 128 -ffa_block_fetch 32
Then play around with unroll again.
1575) Message boards : Number crunching : Loading APU to the limit: performance considerations - ongoing research (Message 1670893)
Posted 27 Apr 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I think no real limit, even 1 could go, but need to check (maybe "foolproof system" will not allow such values ;) )
And yes, worth to check with lower values.

What I would suggest then:
1) run on unloaded PC and find from what sizes Elapsed time stops fast decrease.
2) try values aroun or slightly less those on loaded system.
That way improved performance could be achieved. Especially if that slowdown mostly caused by memory accesses indeed (including page faults, cache misses, bus saturation and so on).
I had no opportunity to check Intel's engeeneer suggestions regarding his theory (he thinks such slowdown cause by power limitation and leads to CPU freq lowering when GPU is active, look intel forum thread for details). Maybe worth to accurately check that too.

I ran 2 more configurations with lower settings & updated the data in:
http://hal6000.com/seti/test/apbench_test_i5-4670k_btcfg.htm
The first config didn't see much improvement in CPU times except when running 3CPU+iGPU.
-unroll 4 -ffa_block 512 -ffa_block_fetch 256

The next config also showed an improvement in CPU times with 3CPU+iGPU, but it didn't go as well when running 4CPU+iGPU.
-unroll 2 -ffa_block 512 -ffa_block_fetch 256
I reran the 4CPU+iGPU test with this config 3 times to be sure it wasn't an odd result, but each time it was similar.

Page faults were also reduced with the lower values. I forgot to take screen shots but they were ~200,000 for the 1st config & ~160,000 for the 2nd.

Based on the results on the 2nd config. It looks like -unroll show go back up. I will probably try -unroll 3 -ffa_block 512 -ffa_block_fetch 256 to see what happens before modifying block & fetch further. Perhaps I should jump right to -unroll 4 -ffa_block 2 -ffa_block_fetch 1 config to see if there is a great improvement in CPU times?

I have been sticking with default 2:1 ratio on block & fetch. Part of me thinks a 1:1 ratio might perform synchronous operations & somehow be better. Then part of me says that is silly & to lower -ffa_block_fetch to 4:1, 5:1, or more.
1576) Message boards : Number crunching : Intel® iGPU AP bench test run (e.g. @ J1900) (Message 1670873)
Posted 27 Apr 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Having completed the benchmarks on my J1900 iGPU with just the -hp switch while CPU cores active. I found little change from not using it 2-3 seconds + or -. However in the case of 2 CPU cores + iGPU the performance for CPU & iGPU was less. With the run times for the CPU ~3% & the iGPU ~2% longer.

Next I'm running
-hp -unroll 5 -ffa_block 1472 -ffa_block_fetch 368
After which I'm going to run
-unroll 5 -ffa_block 1472 -ffa_block_fetch 368
to see if it makes any difference with tuned settings.
1577) Message boards : Number crunching : i7 4790K low performance (Message 1670552)
Posted 27 Apr 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thanks for the replies guys. :)

Grant, the intel tuning utility is a program from intel that allows you to view processor properties, settings & various other bits.
http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/motherboards/desktop-motherboards/desktop-boards-software-extreme-tuning-utility.html

It also has a simple benchmark ability, and that's where I was comparing my setup to other people's setup with the same board & cpu. This board by default overvolts and overclocks the CPU right out of the gate where it hits mid 60C while idling. I've went into bios and adjusted a handful of settings to a more sane level and disabled the auto-overclock (which the auto-overlick netted only marginal gains at best and lots of thermal throttling).

The 4790K runs hot, hotter than expected. Thermal throttle is at 100C, but under load 70-80 is about 'normal'. Some chips are better because of the TIM behind the IHS (integrated heat spreader), but its not tied to a specific batch. Seems my chip is one of the hot batch. Running BOINC 24x7 gives me about 78-85C on full load in a normal room (non cold environment) on stock cooling.

I do have a water cooler, but I had to order the intel bracket, and a couple more fittings. Its not here yet.

The standard speed of the 4790K is 4.4GHz *but* follows this chart:
1-2 cores under load: 4.4GHz
3 cores under load 4.3GHz
4 cores under load 4.2GHz

My cpu follows this fine, I can bump up everything to 4.4, but thermal throttling is your overly-attached friend when using the stock cooler in this configuration. I will do this when my cooling is changed back to liquid. Running the Intel diagnostics says my cpu is fine "passed".

I suspected the better scores using optimized apps for BOINC which would explain the better performance for BOINC. Downloading SP1 right now. Yes all of my relevant drivers are installed, and up to date. (onboard video and the 'killer' NIC are disabled)... I actually wouldn't be surprised if its because I dont have SP1. I'll report back.

I use Gigabytes EasyTune app on my GA-Z87X-D3H's to adjust my fan cooling profile settings rather than the Intel tool.

I know an i7 running HT will run a bit warmer than an i5, but both of my i5-4670K boxes run under 60ºC while under full load in an ~80ºF room. I went overkill with a Noctua NH-D14 on my gaming machine, but went smaller with a NZXT-Respire T20 on my HTPC.

Your processing times also seem VERY high to me. My i5's, running at 3.5GHz, only take about 1 hour for normal AR MB tasks when running 4 at a time. With an i7 running 8 at a time I would only expect them to take an extra 15-20 min at the same clock speed. With the i7-4790K running 4.0GHz, by default, that may be enough to compensate for the 4 additional threads to run around 1 hr as well.
I'm using the lunatics apps. The AVX app did show a slight performance gain vs the SSE3, SSE3x, & SSE4.1 apps. I'm not sure how much difference there is vs stock these days, but I wouldn't expect your tasks to be taking around 3 hours, like they are, with everything working normally.

Also is your memory configuration single or dual channel? A single channel configuration will show a noticeable speed difference when running SETI@home & other projects.
1578) Message boards : Number crunching : Intel® iGPU AP bench test run (e.g. @ J1900) (Message 1669697)
Posted 25 Apr 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Does this mean you also not used -hp for priority high for the Intel iGPU OpenCL app?
If used, I guess the calculation time will decrease.

True. For Bench test -hp not used. Also for normal running -hp is not being used.

It is late for me now, 2:17 AM. So tomorrow, or rather today after I have slept, I can run more tests. Similar to your test, but with CPU loaded. I will start with -hp only, to have baseline comparison with my other data. Then try the "best" config you found while running iGPU solo. Each test config will take me just under 2 hours to complete.
1579) Message boards : Number crunching : SETI & AP apps/tasks checkpoints & HDD (Message 1669686)
Posted 25 Apr 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
24 GPU tasks? I'm thinking even the largest GPU's should only be running 4 tasks at a time, even at that you should probably free up 1 core per GPU, or at least 2 total.

There was a lot of discussion about SSD here.
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=76413

Consensus was basically, you couldn't burn out a SSD on SETI for about 4 times (or even much more) the life of your computer.

As I mentioned in that thread. I am running about 1% wear a year on my SSD, but it isn't a machine that only runs BOINC. Both my Gaming PC & HTPC use the SSD for OS, SWAP, & BOINC.

At work I have a 24 core server I run BOINC on a 2GB RAM Disk. It writes the RAM Disk to its image file once an hour. That machine has a great deal of disk activity so I don't want to add BOINC to its already heavy load. Even if it is only once a min. However, I have not checked the delta value when it writes the RAM Disk to its image file.

EDIT: For windows there is a command line to check disk usage. I think it is total since PC was started/rebooted
C:\>fsutil fsinfo statistics c:
1580) Message boards : Number crunching : Intel® iGPU AP bench test run (e.g. @ J1900) (Message 1669683)
Posted 25 Apr 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
In view of last findings in other thread I would suggest to check parameters (unroll, ffa_block) area around your current best config under full load.
Loaded state is not negligible difference.

iGPU slows ~19% with all 4 CPU loaded in the bench test I did using default iGPU config.
http://hal6000.com/seti/test/apbench_test_celeron_j1900.htm
1581) Message boards : Number crunching : what is meant by forthcoming "large" tasks? (Message 1669682)
Posted 25 Apr 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Some time ago. We were testing SETI@home v7 "large tasks". Which were ~1.5MB IIRC? For whatever reason development was that was stopped & it looks like they will pick it back up with SETI@home v8. It could be that v8 does away with the 377k tasks altogether or maybe there will be "standard" tasks & separate "large" ones.

At one point I also recall hearing that the SETI@home & AP analysis could possibly be combined into one app. So we would only download a single file to do both types of work at once. Since the data source for both is the same anyway.

EDIT: Reading some of the old threads on Beta it looks like we started with 1.5MB & then moved to 4MB tasks.
1582) Message boards : Number crunching : Loading APU to the limit: performance considerations - ongoing research (Message 1669483)
Posted 24 Apr 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Would using a smaller config than BayTrail default be worth trying on Haswell?
It looks like using BayTrail values on Haswell reduced CPU time & even iGPU time was slightly reduced too.
Haswell Default -unroll 18 -ffa_block 5120 -ffa_block_fetch 2560
BayTrail Default -unroll 4 -ffa_block 1024 -ffa_block_fetch 512
There is minimum limit of 2 for -unroll, but is there also minimum limit for block & block_fetch? ReadMe doesn't mention.
1583) Message boards : Number crunching : Updated OpenCL AstroPulse coming main (Message 1669424)
Posted 24 Apr 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/HD-4000-OpenCL-Drivers-Power-Consumption-Increased-Performance,21763.html

http://www.geeks3d.com/20120427/intel-ivy-bridge-hd-graphics-4000-gpu-opengl-and-opencl-tests/

Sorry for the confusion, but referring to Radeon HD GPUs not Intel HD GPUs.
1584) Message boards : Number crunching : PCIe x1 GPU cards? (Message 1669395)
Posted 24 Apr 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thanks.
Yes, maybe the max 19W (OpenCL 80%=15.2W) of the '1024MB Club 3D Radeon R5 230' card would be 'better'. ;-)



From ASRock Taiwan:
Due to the DC board is using DC adapter, there is power limitation when installing VGA card. So, we add the caution on the spec.

The power is provided by PSU on Q1900-ITX, so there is no power limitation on it.
However, Q1900-ITX support 1 x PCI Express 2.0 x1 Slot.
PCI Express 2.0 x1 Slot is not designed for VGA card, if install VGA card on it, the performance will not better than x16 slot, so we recommend to use onboard VGA. If user really want to install VGA card, the VGA card of user using is able to install on this model.



English isn't my first language and I just can poor english ...
So I don't understand really. ;-)

I have a 90W laptop power supply connected to my DC board, currently the whole PC (full load 4x CPU and 1x iGPU OpenCL) use ~31W at the wall plug.
Also they (Europe/NL support) said before, this mobo/PCIe slot can deliver 25W.
So the 23W Zotac card will, can, must, should, could be ?? ;-) work?
AFAIK, GPU cards use average 80% of max if CUDA/OpenCL, this would mean in this case the Zotac card will use 18.4W. ;-)

And the 'without DC' board, GPU card will work.

It would be good if they explained "there is power limitation when installing VGA card". Are they thinking in terms of the DC supply to MB being the limit or is there a limit built into the MB so it can not supply much power to the PCIe slot?
I would guess they are thinking the external DC supply to be the "limit". Expecting users to maybe only have small 25-30w DC supplies to run the MB.
1585) Message boards : Number crunching : Updated OpenCL AstroPulse coming main (Message 1669390)
Posted 24 Apr 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Maybe some already noticed that we got AstroPulse OpenCL app update for Windows and Linux.
These binaries are the best currently available ones so I would recommend those who use anonymous platform config to update to these stock ones.

thx, will check if it works on a laptop's HD 3450m... ;)

Unfortunately the HD3000 series don't support OpenCL & the HD4000 series had "beta" OpenCL support.
1586) Message boards : Number crunching : Best sub $200 video card for SETI? (Message 1669105)
Posted 23 Apr 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
With NV does running Display Driver Uninstaller help clear out issues when switching cards?
1587) Message boards : Number crunching : Installing BOINC 7.2.42 on Ubuntu 14.10 instead of 7.4.8 (Message 1668635)
Posted 22 Apr 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Can you not copy the boincmgr from 7.2.42 over 7.4.8? BOINC Manager is just the GUI interface to BOINC & doesn't have to match the version of BOINC itself.
Personally I'm sticking with BOINC Manager 6.10.48 to retain the messages tab. Rather than have to open the "Event Log" view that is used in newer versions.
1588) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (97) Server Problems? (Message 1668552)
Posted 22 Apr 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
While it seems rather chaotic things are more or less under control. Still lots of database massaging happening in the background, during which we stop the assimilators (or they stop themselves). This shouldn't affect normal operations.

And yes, I reconfigured a bunch of things over the weekend to get 12 assimilators going and speed up the backlogs when they come.

The assimilators might be off for a while again (more index rebuilding) but no worries (yet).

- Matt

It it good to hear that the automated checks & balances kicked in & did their thing. Rather than a catastrophic issue that brings everything to a sudden halt.

Does everyone have "Professional Database Masseur" on their resume around there at this point? :P
1589) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (97) Server Problems? (Message 1668457)
Posted 22 Apr 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
So there are 12 sah assimilator (v7) processes now? I don't recall there being so many previously. I wonder if that is related.
1590) Message boards : Number crunching : Intel Compute Stick? (Message 1668236)
Posted 22 Apr 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
According to Intel the Compute Stick is "Available Now" in the Windows, 32GB storage, configuration. With the Linux, 8GB storage, configuration to come in June.
Most of the sites still say it isn't shipping until May 5th, but someone at my work ordered one today.
1591) Message boards : News : "Dan Werthimer: Are We Alone?" Talk Video (Message 1668231)
Posted 22 Apr 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
It is always fun to find out the history of how things like this got started.

I always kind of figured it was a bunch of guys standing in a field like this: http://i.imgur.com/FfwAbsv.png
1592) Message boards : Number crunching : Loading APU to the limit: performance considerations - ongoing research (Message 1668222)
Posted 22 Apr 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

I noticed that Haswell has Max WG size of 512 vs 256 for BayTrail. So would it make sense to test -tune to adjust WG size? Maybe -tune 64 4 1 or -tune 32 8 1.


Currently available tune options will not cover all kernel calls anyway. Some of them using default (NULL) local size so runtime free to use what it needs.
But hardly WG size would affect on difference under consideration. iGPU has wave size of 32 or 64 (not clear what actual value is) and both less than WG size. So, switching between waves will be on both devices. And global buffer size (memory that needs to be accessed) will be the same as long as -unroll and -ffa_block set to the same values for both devices.

Would be interesting to get page faults data for new config.

Memory use & page faults on Haswell are similar to Bay Trail when using BayTrail config. -unroll 4 -ffa_block 1024 -ffa_block_fetch 512
http://www.hal6000.com/seti/test/apbench_procexp_i5-4670k_cpu0_igpu1-2_baytrail_param.png
CPU time is slightly changed by the different config. Around 10-15% for 4 & 3 CPU runs. Then 3-5% for 2 & 1 CPU runs.
http://hal6000.com/seti/test/apbench_test_i5-4670k_btcfg.htm
Note: This includes all new data as I change iGPU driver to newest to see if it had any effect. Looks like little to none when comparing to previous test.

Associated APBench log files.
http://hal6000.com/seti/test/APBench_iGPU_Data-2.7z
1593) Message boards : Number crunching : Intel® iGPU AP bench test run (e.g. @ J1900) (Message 1668205)
Posted 21 Apr 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I've noticed lately that some GPU tasks on my Win10 J1900 are stalling at some point (e.g. the first one I noted was at a suspicious 66.677%) while the CPU total keeps marching on. If I restart BOINC then the Progress counter drops back a little but the CPU total drops back a lot (presumably to the time the Progress stalled) and again the Progress ticks up until it hits the previous stall point and stops there as CPU keeps building.
Has anyone else seen that? Or know a cure? I'm just running bare Lunatics with no tweaks.

I'm not seeing that on my J1900 with the same driver release 4061.
It could be OS related, but maybe it is MB related? The ASRock board I have had a BIOS update that listed.
1. Improve integrated graphics compatibility.
2. Improve add-on card compatibility.
1594) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (97) Server Problems? (Message 1668014)
Posted 21 Apr 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
4/20/2015 9:57:48 PM | SETI@home | Finished upload of 02se12ab.23690.11523.438086664197.12.66_0_0
=
Whole bunch of em with that extra _0

But my point is, Boinc is jumping on these with June 6+ deadlines before it runs the remaining older May 9+ stuff already in my queue.

160+ tasks piling up in Pending just last 2 days - on top of the 160+ that were already in there before workfetch lit up again.

Just a puzzle is all.


Okay, I was confused. I see now you were talking about work "In Progress" and I have often wondered the same thing and also why a bunch of tasks that have that same "Sent" time have different deadlines. Perhaps someone more knowledgeable will stop by.

The deadline is based on the workeunit angle range. A "standard" workunit, with an angle range centered around 0.40, had a deadline of about 6 weeks or so. Workunits with angle range below the standard angle range take a bit longer and have a deadline of about 8 weeks. You will see them flagged with .vlar in their name, for Very Low Angle Range. On the other side are workunits above the standard range that take less time to process & therefor have a shorter deadline of about 3 weeks. Also called VHARs or "shorties".

BOINC will process tasks in FIFO mode unless it thinks there will be a deadline issue. Then it will process tasks in order by deadline. You will also see the Status as Running, high priority. This often happen when we get a load of shorties from the data sets.
1595) Message boards : Number crunching : Loading APU to the limit: performance considerations - ongoing research (Message 1667729)
Posted 20 Apr 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
And buffer sizes and page faults? I would expect buffer sizes now match between Haswell and BayTrail. Do they?
And then would be interesting to compare number of page faults.
If they remain strongly drifferent, then they can be factor that influence performance. But if they become similar, and execution times remain same as with prev run for Haswell... then apparently the root of issue lies somewhere else.

I wasn't thinking to check those values when I ran this previously. I was only looking at time.

I noticed that Haswell has Max WG size of 512 vs 256 for BayTrail. So would it make sense to test -tune to adjust WG size? Maybe -tune 64 4 1 or -tune 32 8 1.
1596) Message boards : Number crunching : Problem with the SSL CA cert (Message 1667724)
Posted 20 Apr 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
My touchstone for this sort of discussion is what used to be called "Windows Small Business Server", now known as "Windows Server Essentials". It's designed to be managed via point-and-click with not much more knowledge than your average Windows user has, and there are probably millions of them running 24/7 in offices which are only staffed 9 to 5 - a very rich seam of spare CPU cycles, ready to be mined.

Ah OK. That makes more sense. I didn't see how this would be much of an issue for a standard admin. But the SBS/Essentials editions are geared to a slightly different audience.
1597) Message boards : Number crunching : Problem with the SSL CA cert (Message 1667719)
Posted 20 Apr 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Windows has a built in tool to install BOINC, or any app, on a server as a service. https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/251192

I don't bother with the BOINC installer or any of the group/account nonesense it wants to normally create. When there is a new version of BOINC. I run the installer to get the applications folders. Then I stop BOINC, drop in the new files, & restart.
That kind of updating is also much easier for me. Given I'm running around 30 machines. Having to run an installer on each one would drive me mad.
1598) Message boards : Number crunching : PCIe x1 GPU cards? (Message 1667078)
Posted 19 Apr 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

1) FWIW I have a 780 running on a PCIe x1 slot with no problems.

2) The extender cable is however powered by a MOLEX.

All the best,
Aaron Lephart

TechVelocity.com

See. The 1 is clear. The 2 is not clear at all.

For part 2. Are you saying that you have additional power cable running from power supply to the card?

Maybe it is the language problem. The extender cable does not make sense in the context of a video card. The molex, to me is either type of connector or manufacturer of a connector, so telling me that something is "powered by molex" is worthless because it still does not tell me where the power coming from.

Generally the term "molex connector" is used to describe the "AMP MATE-N-LOK 1-480424-0 Power Connector". Sometimes also called a "drive power connector". Rather than the 20/24 or 4/8 pin power connectors to the MB or the SATA drive power connector.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molex_connector#/media/File:Molex_female_connector.jpg

Here is an example of a powered PCIe x1 to x16 adapter with a molex power connection. http://i.imgur.com/NSw8QpJ.jpg


Looking at reviews for PCIe x1 video cards & motherboards MB with only PCIe x1 slots. It seems that not all MB will support a video card in the x1 slot. I may send ASRock an e-mail to ask them before I buy anything to try on my J1900 board, or wait to see what Dirk finds. If anyone has a lead on a higher end PCIe x1 GPU other than what they listed.
1599) Message boards : Number crunching : Loading APU to the limit: performance considerations - ongoing research (Message 1667004)
Posted 18 Apr 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Well, seems Windows shows quite different amounts.
But what bother me more your GPU-Z loads very different for those devices. Look, 81+5 for BayTrail ... and 10+ 324 (!) for Haswell. It can be because of different default FFA block and unrolling.
Please upload somewhere raw data for your benches too for reference.
And maybe worth to repeat some of most meaningful Haswell tests just with the same params (-unroll, -ffa_block) as BayTrail had by default. To check if reduced memory buffers pool influence on performance under full load.

Previous raw data is located here. http://www.hal6000.com/seti/test/APBench_iGPU_Data.7z
Started a new series of test using BayTrail iGPU values on Haswell.
http://www.hal6000.com/seti/test/apbench_procexp_i5-4670k_cpu4_igpu1-2_baytrail_param.png
So far run times look about the same, but will do 4, 3, 2, & 1 CPU test for completeness.
1600) Message boards : Number crunching : Loading APU to the limit: performance considerations - ongoing research (Message 1666940)
Posted 18 Apr 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Could issue be related to page faults?

Very interesting catch. I suppose ATi is discrete GPU in your test? If so one should not expect big page faults there.
But difference between Haswell and BayTrail not so easy to explain.
Can you check what memory amount GPU-Z shows (if shows at all) as "dedicated" for both iGPUs ? Also, what memory reserved for iGPU in BIOS on both machines?
EDIT: I suppose those are "soft" faults when memory page needs to be allocated for process, not to be loaded from HDD's swap. That means, on Haswell app constantly allocates memory buffers while on BayTrail this allocation much smaller.
Also, Jason mentioned soft faults as L3 cache misses. How to discriminate between those soft faults need to find out.

Yes, the ATI is the HD6870 in Haswell system.
Dedicated memory for each is different, but by only 5MB.
http://hal6000.com/seti/test/apbench_gpuz_celeron-j1900_cpu0_igpu1.png
http://hal6000.com/seti/test/apbench_gpuz_i5-4670k_cpu0_igpu1.png
I am pretty sure BIOS is set to 256MB for both. I know BayTrail is as I had to redo all BIOS settings after upgrading this week. I will double check Haswell after posting & edit if different.
Resource Monitor built into Windows 7 displays "Hard Faults/sec" column in the memory tab. It displays 0 at all times for SETI@home apps. I only see hard fault on MS apps like explorer.exe & perfmon.exe. So I guess page faults displayed by process explorer are "soft faults".

EDIT: Graphics Memory Size for Haswell is set to 256MB just as BayTrail. Haswell has an additional setting "DVMT Total Memory Size" which BayTrail does not. It is also set to 256MB. Options are 128MB, 256MB, & MAX. Past tests on Haswell with memory settings showed DVMT did not seem to effect memory for OCL. So it may not be as important.

Also of interest. iGPU memory displayed by windows.
http://hal6000.com/seti/test/windows_mem_celeron-j1900.png
http://hal6000.com/seti/test/windows_mem_i5-4670k.png
1601) Message boards : Number crunching : PCIe x1 GPU cards? (Message 1666930)
Posted 18 Apr 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
HAL9000 wrote:
R5 230 is a rebranded HD7450. Which is a rebranded HD6450.
The GT 730 is a rebranded GT 630.
Out of those 3 I would go with the 730.

For my J1900 I am planning on getting one of these adapters & then securing the GPU to one of the free slots in the case. As it is designed to fit an ATX MB & the J1900 is mini-ITX.

Which GPU card you would like to add?

spitfire_mk_2 wrote:
Um... How many watts can x1 provide? 75 Watts like a regular x16 or less?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PCI_Express#Power
All sizes of ×4 and ×8 PCI Express cards are allowed a maximum power consumption of 25 W. All ×1 cards are initially 10 W; full-height cards may configure themselves as 'high-power' to reach 25 W, while half-height ×1 cards are fixed at 10 W. All sizes of ×16 cards are initially 25 W; like ×1 cards, half-height cards are limited to this number while full-height cards may increase their power after configuration. They can use up to 75 W (3.3 V × 3 A + 12 V × 5.5 A), though the specification demands that the higher-power configuration be used for graphics cards only, while cards of other purposes are to remain at 25 W.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PCI_Express#PCI_Express_.28standard.29
AFAIK, the first 11 contacts deliver the power. This is the same at x1 up to x16 slots.

I understand it like this, all PCIe slots from x1 up to x16 can deliver 75W.
Yes or No?

The R7 260X is what I'm considering at the moment. It is one of the best ATI cards for PPW for the money. I am also considering on getting a GTX 750 ti to play around with.
Another option I am thinking about is the higher end Pentium J2900 that has PCIe x16 slot(at x1) http://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/Q2900M/. I currently have ASRock Q1900-ITX & they do make a Q1900M with PCIe x16 slot, but if I were to buy another I would go for slightly faster CPU given low cost difference.
1602) Message boards : Number crunching : PCIe x1 GPU cards? (Message 1666684)
Posted 18 Apr 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
AFAIK, there are PCIe 1.0 x1 GPU cards (max power consumption):

1024MB Club 3D Radeon R5 230 Noiseless Edition Passive (19W)

512MB ZOTAC GeForce GT 610 Actively (29W) (GF119, Fermi)

And PCIe 2.0 x1 card:

1024MB ZOTAC GeForce GT 730 LP Passive (23W) (GK208-301-A1, Kepler)


Which performance they have, which SETI or AP RAC would be possible?

There are also other manufacturer and GPU chip series available?

Thanks.

R5 230 is a rebranded HD7450. Which is a rebranded HD6450.
The GT 730 is a rebranded GT 630.
Out of those 3 I would go with the 730.

For my J1900 I am planning on getting one of these adapters & then securing the GPU to one of the free slots in the case. As it is designed to fit an ATX MB & the J1900 is mini-ITX.
1603) Message boards : Number crunching : Loading APU to the limit: performance considerations - ongoing research (Message 1666628)
Posted 18 Apr 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Currently work in progress so welcome: http://lunatics.kwsn.net/1-discussion-forum/loading-apu-to-the-limit-performance-considerations.msg58456.html#msg58456

Happy Cosmonautics day! / С Днём Космонавтики!


Upon trying the link I get "The domain "kwsn.net" has expired." Is there another link for this?.

(My regards and great admiration to all Cosmonauts past and now present on the ISS and now, too, those brave souls contemplating a move to a new life on Mars. I hope a radio scope will go with the Mars expedition and we will hear signals without so much RFI.)

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=77089
1604) Message boards : Number crunching : Loading APU to the limit: performance considerations - ongoing research (Message 1666528)
Posted 17 Apr 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Could issue be related to page faults? Using MS Processes Explorer I monitored apps & noticed very large number of page faults for iGPU app. At least when compared to ATI app of same version.
Running iGPU app with Clean_01LC.wu
http://hal6000.com/seti/test/apbench_procexp_i5-4670k_cpu0_igpu1.png
Running ATi app with Clean_01LC.wu
http://hal6000.com/seti/test/apbench_procexp_i5-4670k_cpu0_ati1.png
Running iGPU app with Clean_01LC.wu
http://hal6000.com/seti/test/apbench_procexp_celeron-j1900_cpu0_igpu1.png

When running with CPU app iGPU looks very similar to when running without CPU.
Running 1 CPU & iGPU app with Clean_01LC.wu
http://hal6000.com/seti/test/apbench_procexp_i5-4670k_cpu1_igpu1.png
Running 4 CPU & iGPU app with Clean_01LC.wu
http://hal6000.com/seti/test/apbench_procexp_i5-4670k_cpu4_igpu1.png

Also CPU app solo has similar results each time as well.
http://hal6000.com/seti/test/apbench_procexp_i5-4670k_cpu1_igpu0.png
1605) Message boards : Number crunching : Loading APU to the limit: performance considerations - ongoing research (Message 1666434)
Posted 17 Apr 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hm... caches quite different indeed but exactly in opposite direction one could expect if cache thrashing would be main reason of big Haswell slowdown versus BayTrail. Seems Haswell has bigger cache amount, not smaller...

BayTrail uses 1MB cache for each 2 core. So kind of 512k L2 per core vs 256k per core for Ivy Bridge & Haswell. Could smaller L2 or maybe added layer of L3 cache be related. Does each layer of cache add latency?
That might be down to how the logic inside the chip works. idk.
1606) Message boards : Number crunching : Loading APU to the limit: performance considerations - ongoing research (Message 1666344)
Posted 17 Apr 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
1.
I used at least 3 Clean01 tasks per bench and took only middle one as reliable data to be sure that:
1) all devices warmed up
2) all devices constantly loaded through whole test task run.
Using only 2 for CPU means last one can finish after iGPU already stopped. And initial warm-up included in timings for first one.

2. Why 3 pairs of mean CPU times? 2 pairs for 2 runs, but what 2 results in row mean? Did you averages separately between 0&1 and 2&3 cores?

3. Seems Haswell shows same tendency as my Ivy Bridge. Would be good to compute overall throughput for each config to see where extreme is.

4. Difference for Bail Trail very good shown. Enabling iGPU part almost has no effect on CPU subsystem performance. It's a big difference from all other APUs so far. Though iGPU performance only ~1 core in this case.

What regarding cache subsystems ? Sizes? Levels?

I didn't realize you were always running 3. I saw after wisdom file as created test runs were very similar every time. Running two seemed like a good minimum number to run to tell if there were any odd results while running. At work when we do performance test we perform a minimum of 10 runs. Toss out top 2, toss out lower 2, & then use middle 6 for average.
In the case of my test HD4600 iGPU is actually faster than 1 core of CPU. So I had to run more on iGPU to keep iGPU busy while CPU was running test. This gives me data for HS4600 iGPU from Clean_01LC-0.wu to Clean_01LC-5.wu. For most test the numbers for iGPU are very similar, but I only included Clean_01LC-0.wu & Clean_01LC-1.wu. For tests of 3, 2, & 1 CPU core iGPU is running alone after CPU finishes for last few instances. I have all output.txt files created from APBench tool I can upload as well if useful.

Run 1 = Clean_01LC-0.wu & Run 2 = Clean_01LC-1.wu.
Averages are for each row in a run. So CPU 1, 2, 3, & 4 together. The 3rd is the average of those two averages. So I know average of Run 1, average of Run 2, & then final average of whole test. http://hal6000.com/seti/test/apbench_result_exp.png Then "CPU time w/ iGPU" is final average with iGPU & without. At the time it made sense to me. Had I thought to upload the excel file, or used better labels, that probably would have cleared any confusion.

I wasn't 100% sure if Ivy Bridge was effected the same. Based on Richards information about iGPU being slower instead of CPU on another project. When I noticed this behavior previously. I think I only did 1 or 2 quick test on the i5-3470 I have at work. Also I was just running task in BOINC & observing times instead of running bench test then.

I am at work so I found CPUz info for cache of each CPU online Haswell i5-4670K & BayTrail Celeron J1900. Shows rather different cache setup for each.
1607) Message boards : Number crunching : Loading APU to the limit: performance considerations - ongoing research (Message 1666189)
Posted 17 Apr 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have starting running test similar to yours. I couldn't find same versions of apps you listed, but used newest I had on hand.
However I did use the same test file Clean_01LC.wu. I copied it to run twice for CPU test & copied it 6 times for iGPU to keep it busy while running CPU+iGPU tests.

Results for my Haswell i5-4670K.
Also results for my BayTrail Celeron J1900. Same test but only 3 copies for iGPU to run.
I am still working on finishing all of the results for the J1900, but have completed 4CPU & 4CPU+iGPU. I will update results as tests finish.
1608) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (97) Server Problems? (Message 1666051)
Posted 16 Apr 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Assimilators are running again.


But they are struggling to assimilate. At this rate it would take several weeks/months to 'waiting for assimilation' to drop under 100.000 which is average in last year.

The monthly view of the haveland chart shows the assimilators can eat through about 1 million in about a day an a half or about 28K an hour. Hopefully it is just a matter of the assimilators waking up & getting rolling.
1609) Message boards : Number crunching : overheating (Message 1665948)
Posted 16 Apr 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Will try with ver 7.20

Don't know if it's 'cause of the old system?
Or is it 'cause of the version of software? :/

If you have a desktop computer,leave one side of the case open and have a normal desktop fan blow some air into it.That helps a lot.

it's already opened...but it's an old ABIT BP6 board...good only for WInXP & some easy crunching like OET on WCG...doesn't give much points, but give so much computational h! :D

I wish I still had one of my BP6 boards. I think it was about 12 years ago when my last one died. :(
1610) Message boards : News : Workunit shortage (Message 1665853)
Posted 16 Apr 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thank you!! You are so right, Patience is a Requirement....LOL,,, Have a Great Day..

Signals from other stars take years upon years to reach us. A few extra day, weeks, or months processing signals is neither here nor there.
1611) Message boards : Number crunching : samsung phone (Message 1665484)
Posted 15 Apr 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
is that all boinc projects ?

No, I was only referring to the SETI@home apps. I do not know the status of Android apps for other projects.
If you check the Applications page for a project. You can see if they have updated their app since the release of Lollipop,
1612) Message boards : Number crunching : samsung phone (Message 1665472)
Posted 15 Apr 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
my new phone and tablet allow boinc projects , but I am not getting any tasks ; any ideas ??

The Android apps do not currently support Lollipop (Android 5.x).

EDIT: The ETA on new apps to support Lollipop is TDB.
1613) Message boards : Number crunching : Problem with the SSL CA cert (Message 1665430)
Posted 14 Apr 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
There was a problem at GPUGrid recently with an outdated ca-bundle.crt file - it's supplied by BOINC, and installed in the BOINC program directory. The ca-bundle.crt from a newer BOINC can be dropped in as a direct replacement

See: https://www.gpugrid.net/forum_thread.php?id=3846&nowrap=true#40528
(Crunch3r was wrong - you don't even have to re-start BOINC)

That sort of kills the "set and forget" aspect of BOINC. Seems like something important to communicating with projects should be sent to the client in some way.
1614) Message boards : News : Android Version Checking (Message 1665341)
Posted 14 Apr 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
My new phone is starting to nag me daily to install the Lollipop updates. Don't know if I can say "later" forever.

I was getting that for the Kitkat update. Then I either hit the wrong button once or they decided I was going to get the update anyway. I unlocked my phone & had a "Your device has been updated" message instead of the "There is an update. Do you want to install it now or later" message.
1615) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows 10 - Yea or Nay? (Message 1664682)
Posted 12 Apr 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
... Office 2000 runs fine on Windows 10. So I would expect Office 2007 to be fine as well...

But... But... But...

Those are 14 YEARS OLD and 7 years OLD!

And yet you are tempted by the latest and greatest up-to-the-minute thing that Microsoft has to offer for the underlying OS?...

Never did appreciate MS Marketing ;-)

Strange world? :-)

More seriously though, this latest example does highlight the question why there is so much grief 'upgrading' whether you would like to or not...

Keep searchin',
Martin

Using Office 200 is more of a practical issue. At work we continue to use it in our test lab mostly because we don't have to deal with install key & activation issues. As we load clean OS images with no software in them. Newer versions of office do have a trail mode. However it only lets you open the apps a total of 15 times. Given the only reason we need to app is to print a document. Having to deal with installation issues just slows things down.

Also my feeling for the MS ribbon interface are best not said in front of small children.
1616) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (97) Server Problems? (Message 1664611)
Posted 12 Apr 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Things are not so easy with 9 rigs.
I get little warning if things go astray.

If the fans in the garage don't kick in, it can go from 60 to 90f in here pretty quick. 9 rigs, half a kilowatt each...a couple of them do almost a kwatt each.

Do the math.

Between 4.5 & 9 KW. So lets call it 7.5KW.
A 1500w plug in heater can keep a 13'x15' room warm enough to only wear shorts when it is below freezing outsize. And that is with it cycling off & on. You basically have 5 of those running 24/7.
1617) Message boards : Number crunching : Lower Power Crunching on Via Embedded... (Message 1664608)
Posted 12 Apr 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
From the couple unit's I've run so far on the VIA Nano X2 1.6ghz board I have here the performance for CPU crunching is pretty good compared to a 2.1ghz Opteron 6272 .. but at a lot lower power and heat!!

https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/show_host_detail.php?hostid=7543965
http://www.viaembedded.com/en/boards/mini-itx/epia-m910/

Only downside is trying to run a GPU out of the PCI-e x1 slot with one of those usb extenders doesn't work on the board. I guess VIA never expected anyone to toss an external video card in the systems..

Apparently some motherboard manufactures limit the types of hard that they allow to enumerate in PCIe x1 slots. I have asked ASrock a few times if the mPCIe x1 slot on my Q1900-ITX board, with use a of mPCIe to PCIe x16 slot adapter, would support a GPU but I have yet to get an answer.
1618) Message boards : Number crunching : Loading APU to the limit: performance considerations - ongoing research (Message 1664606)
Posted 12 Apr 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
On my two Haswell systems 5837483 & 7421701. So far the only time I see an significant reduction in CPU processing is when the iGPU is used for processing. Even if I have desktop extended so that BOINC detects the iGPU CPU I ATI GPU run times are not greatly effected. Also extending the desktop, or connecting a monitor to the iGPU, is required for clinfo to display iGPU information on my Haswell systems.

Besides SETI@home & Einstein@Home are there many other projects that have iGPU applications? Perhaps running other apps could be helpful in some diagnostic or system analysis?

I want to clarify.
Running Einstein@Home iGPU app displays slowdown with all CPU cores running & a work around for that is to run iGPU in real-time. Doing so does not cause a significant CPU slowdown.

I would not expect much slowdown for those that run their systems GPU only. Where the CPU is only being used to "feed" GPUs.
1619) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows 10 - Yea or Nay? (Message 1664593)
Posted 12 Apr 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Currently I'm running Win 7 Ultimate (4770K, 8 GB ram, ASRock Extreme 4, 2x GTX 750Ti FTW, Samsung 840 Pro 128GB system disk & another for data, MS Office 2007, BOINC 7.50),and I'm seriously thinking about upgrading to Win 10 tech preview and want to get some thoughts from others, like how often does it crash, how BOINC runs, can I still keep my Office suite, will I have to re-install BOINC & and Lunatics, etc, etc.

Well you would not really want to "upgrade" to the Tech Preview. If you want Windows 10 it is going to be released in a few months. Installing the released version over a Beta/Tech Preview normally requires a clean install.

There are several things about Windows 10 I like infinity over Windows 8.x, but it is no Windows 7.

Office 2000 runs fine on Windows 10. So I would expect Office 2007 to be fine as well. I did have to force Windows to use a driver that was older than the inbox for my ATI HD3450 GPU to run Collatz, but other than that I had no problems.
1620) Message boards : Number crunching : Intel® iGPU AP bench test run (e.g. @ J1900) (Message 1664394)
Posted 12 Apr 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Out-of-order architecture was introduced by Intel in its P6 family i.e Pentium Pro processor in the '90s.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentium_Pro

Marco.

Thanks for clarification, it's even earlier than I supposed.
Interesting why they rejected from out of order architecture with Atoms (keeping hyperthreading included, for example)...

I had read "Silvermont is the first Atom processor to feature an out-of-order architecture." & didn't find that kind of Information for Haswell. So that was my source of confusion. Haswell didn't list it because it was done to mainstream desktop processors so long ago.
I also notice that clinfo reports this information for the CPU too. had I looked there sooner I would not have been confused.
Also full clinfo output from Bay Trail Celeron J1900 & Haswell i5-4670K if it is useful.

I was planning to setup one of my i5-4670K with vTune in a clean OS to look at the DRAM values as listed in the Intel forum post. It looks like I left my flash drive with the install on it at work & I don't recall my Intel login to download it from home. So that will have to wait until Monday after work, ~21:00 UTC, for me.

I would think that if it were memory saturation issue. Then number of CPU tasks could be reduced to solve over saturation, but same CPU slowdown occurs with 1 CPU task running. Given Silvermont/Bay Trail has less memory bandwidth than Ivy Bridge & Haswell. Shouldn't the issue be even worse for Bay Trail if memory saturation is the issue? Maybe the Intel person will answer your question on how cache is used with CPU & iGPU.
1621) Message boards : Number crunching : How to get one of my computers to ask for CPU work (Message 1664349)
Posted 12 Apr 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Click on the Projects Tab & then Properties.
Any values for the CPU work fetch deferred for/interval?


Yes - it says CPU work fetch deferral interval 5:20:00 (which makes no sense, since he has none). On the other machine, it has 0:20:00 (which makes sense, since he won't run out in 20 minutes).

BTW: Running BOINC 7.0.64 on that machine. But it didn't do this before, so I don't think the version is relevant.

As of right now both of your machines have 300 tasks.
I'm guessing that BOINC sorted this out on its own?
1622) Message boards : Number crunching : Intel Compute Stick? (Message 1663876)
Posted 10 Apr 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Product Specs
http://iotsolutionsalliance.intel.com/solutions-directory/nh1-%E2%80%93-smallest-windows-compute-stick-intel%C2%AE-atom%E2%84%A2-processor-z3735f

I am glad to see it has wifi.

I am a little disappointed it is only b/g/n & does not include ac. That leads me to think it is also only 2.4GHz & not 5GHz, but given it is a whole system for $150 I can't really complain.
Given the benchmarks I have seen for the Atom Z3735F. It looks like it would run about 45% of the Bay Trail Celeron J1900 I have now but only use about 1/4-1/3 the power.
Cooling may become an issue if running it at full load constantly.

b/g/n pretty much spells out that this thing is targeted at North America. Europe will have to wait for its own version.

??? Explain please. Here in the UK, I thought we followed European standards when appropriate - but isn't 802.11 universal?

In the 2.4GHz spectrum: Europe allows channels 1-14. US only allows channels 1-11.
In the 5GHz spectrum: US allows some channels that Europe has not yet allowed.
With the amount of overlap I imagine it would be rare for a device to not work in region different from where it was sold.
There was a change in European Union regulations for 2015 regarding WiFi. We had to release a new firmware for our devices with WiFi to meet regulations. We use a global firmware, but our devices also have a region setting in them. So depending on how that is set the various options, or lack there of, will be applied to the device.
I could see something like a phone changing what it is allowed to use based on it's GPS location.
1623) Message boards : Number crunching : Intel® iGPU AP bench test run (e.g. @ J1900) (Message 1663683)
Posted 10 Apr 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

As Haswell & IvyBridge have single shared cache. Which may be the reason for massive slow down in CPU that has been seen when using iGPU.


As I recall someone on forums attempted to use vTune to catch that slowdown and no increase in cache misses was detected.
Accordingly Dirk's clInfo log CPU and GPU parts of Intel's APU have different amount of cache. All this just indirect witnesses of course but it's really hard to accept physically common cache between CPU and GPU parts. It would mean complete CPU cache invalidation on time scale much less than fraction of microsecond some times.... Do you have any links regarding that cache sharing?

I was trying to use Intel vTune some time ago to hunt down the issue. I'm not sure if that is what you were remembering, or maybe someone else was also using it? From my captures I was not able to determine any differences between the iGPU & CPU apps when they were running alone or at the same time. Given the large volume of data generated by each capture it is certainly possible I missed something. As I am not as familiar with the apps & how they function.

Diagrams for the various CPUs do not show a separate cache for the iGPU. Except those that have GT3e GPU, Iris Pro Graphics 5200/6200. "GT3e, the same as GT3 but with addition of a large 128 MB embedded DRAM (eDRAM) cache to improve performance of bandwidth-limited workloads".

In my mind having two separate bits of cache makes sense to me as why BayTrail doesn't see the same issue, but it could be the architecture as well. Silvermont/BayTrail is said to be "out-of-order architecture", but is IvyBridge & Haswell also? I would guess maybe not.
1624) Message boards : Number crunching : Intel® iGPU AP bench test run (e.g. @ J1900) (Message 1663626)
Posted 10 Apr 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thanks to all here in this thread!

2x L2-Cache, thanks, OK, then -cpu_lock is a 'must'. ;-)

It's possible to make Intel® iGPU MB bench test run also?
Or is there nothing to set?

Thanks.

EDIT: Added '(e.g. @ J1900)' to the topic.

I think it is good to note these values are for BayTrail iGPU.
As Haswell & IvyBridge have single shared cache. Which may be the reason for massive slow down in CPU that has been seen when using iGPU.
1625) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (96) Server Problems? (Message 1663584)
Posted 10 Apr 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I'm getting a pretty steady trickle of _2 _3 & _4 tasks every few hours.
1626) Message boards : Number crunching : Intel Compute Stick? (Message 1663580)
Posted 10 Apr 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
... but given it is a whole system for $150 I can't really complain.
Given the benchmarks I have seen for the Atom Z3735F. It looks like it would run about 45% of the Bay Trail Celeron J1900 I have now but only use about 1/4-1/3 the power.
Cooling may become an issue if running it at full load constantly.

But how does all that compare to the new "x6 performance 1GByte" RasPi2?

Raspberry Pi 2 on sale now at $35

Happy cool crunchin',
Martin

Not sure. Is there a common way to benchmark ARM & x86 hardware for comparison at the moment?

Apart from running SETI on them both, you mean?

Yes. I was thinking along the lines of the synthetic benchmarks that are often used on hardware review sites. That is what I was able to find for the Atom Z3735F in order to compare it to the Celeron J1900.
1627) Message boards : Number crunching : Intel Compute Stick? (Message 1663577)
Posted 10 Apr 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
... but given it is a whole system for $150 I can't really complain.
Given the benchmarks I have seen for the Atom Z3735F. It looks like it would run about 45% of the Bay Trail Celeron J1900 I have now but only use about 1/4-1/3 the power.
Cooling may become an issue if running it at full load constantly.

But how does all that compare to the new "x6 performance 1GByte" RasPi2?

Raspberry Pi 2 on sale now at $35

Happy cool crunchin',
Martin

Not sure. Is there a common way to benchmark ARM & x86 hardware for comparison at the moment?
1628) Message boards : Number crunching : Intel Compute Stick? (Message 1663341)
Posted 10 Apr 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Product Specs
http://iotsolutionsalliance.intel.com/solutions-directory/nh1-%E2%80%93-smallest-windows-compute-stick-intel%C2%AE-atom%E2%84%A2-processor-z3735f

I am glad to see it has wifi.

I am a little disappointed it is only b/g/n & does not include ac. That leads me to think it is also only 2.4GHz & not 5GHz, but given it is a whole system for $150 I can't really complain.
Given the benchmarks I have seen for the Atom Z3735F. It looks like it would run about 45% of the Bay Trail Celeron J1900 I have now but only use about 1/4-1/3 the power.
Cooling may become an issue if running it at full load constantly.
1629) Message boards : News : Workunit shortage (Message 1663335)
Posted 10 Apr 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Due to recent problems we are doing a deep cleaning of one of our larger databases. This is unfortunately progressing slower than expected, and keeping us from generating new work. We might be in this state until next week.

Would it make sense to schedule a periodic "deep cleaning" on a planned interval? Perhaps once every 3 or 6 months? To keep the dbs less grumpy until a better solution can be determined.
1630) Message boards : Number crunching : Intel Compute Stick? (Message 1663203)
Posted 9 Apr 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Product Specs
http://iotsolutionsalliance.intel.com/solutions-directory/nh1-%E2%80%93-smallest-windows-compute-stick-intel%C2%AE-atom%E2%84%A2-processor-z3735f
1631) Message boards : Number crunching : Intel Compute Stick? (Message 1662816)
Posted 9 Apr 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
... and I have a bunch of neighbors using WIFI. Their activity caused my connection to break so the application wasn't accessible.

The Intel dongle will plug into the HDMI port on the back of my AiO PC.

Then I gotta' worry that the dongle & PC WiFi will clash. This is a weakness in WiFi.

Maybe someday the WiFi standard can be modified to CDMA, like 4G LTE. Then, multiple devices in the shack and the neighbors might get along, like the crowds of cell phone users.

The HDMI port on your system is most likely an out to connect your system to a TV or HDMI display. ?Unless your AIO has an optional video capture device to feed video signals in.

Also the WiFi wouldn't "clash". Not any more than two notebooks setting side by side on the same network would. Cell phone carrier work on different bands. Which WiFi has in the various channels you can choose to run on. If all of your neighbors are all running the same channel as you. Then you are likely to have a bad time & poor connections.

The lower band of WIFI can only support 3 users (routers) because each user burns about 3 channels. However, one of my neighbors has a super fast router and it burns 6 of the available channels. My router is unable to use the higher WIFI band but much of my other hardware can. There is really no advantage to putting the tower on WIFI so I am going to save a few bucks and use an available cable where needed and the portable stuff isn't used that much around the house so an error or two isn't important. By the way, the MAC has a wonderful WIFI analyzer that find and records all the local WIFI stations. I have around 10 that can be found from my house and only one works on the upper band.
Believe me, I spend several days trying to find out why I was having problems and it was only after I found out how cluttered the neighborhood was that I understood the problem.

When I said channels I was just referring to the standard channels for 2.4GHz. I think you are talking about the bands within the 22MHz spectrum of each channel. Which can be even worse if your neighbors have MIMO routers. Which I think most are these days. :/ So finding a few channel to work with can be a pain. Unless you have a tool. Such as the one you found for your Mac. I found a nice free one for my Android phone Wifi Analyzer. Around me I see 43 total SSIDs. With most of them on either channel 1 or 11. There is one other person using channel 6 with me, at the moment. Not that 2.4GHz is really a problem after I switched to a Cisco AP instead of a home router. That thing pretty much drowns out my neighbors. Luckily the 5GHz spectrum has a lot more to work with & there are only 2 others in range of me that even have 5GHz equipment.
Granted I only use the WiFi for my phone & sometimes 1 notebook. The notebook is WiFi just because I haven't put in a network jack my the nightstand yet.

Given the Compute Stick has a USB port. I see no reason it couldn't be connected to a USB & then use an USB to Ethernet device. A USB connection to another PC for internet access could probably be done with one of those special USB PC to PC cables, but I think those are mostly just for file sharing purposes.
While I don't expect the Compute Stick to break any kind of speed records. It will make it possible to stuff loads of them into a small space.

EDIT: I just found a source stating the processor is the Bay Trail Atom Z3735F. Not sure if it accurate yet, but it could be.

Also something similar. The Asus Chromebit.
1632) Message boards : Number crunching : Intel Compute Stick? (Message 1662733)
Posted 8 Apr 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

So why can we not have marketed the full spec hardware running Linux and lower cost also?... (Or would that be too high spec to then shame other devices??...)


I just figure the old Wintel Hegemony is in play and any alternative hardware/software platform gets short shrift as usual. Absolutely no reason why the hardware shouldn't be the same regardless of the OS. If anything the Linux version should be cheaper without handicapping the hardware because the OS doesn't cost as much as the Windows license.

Keith

The Windows one is coming with a specific version that MS lets system builders use for free. So the OS cost isn't actually a factor this time.
Who is to say that you can't blow away the Win OS and install whatever you like? Until it comes out and people can actually play with it we will not know for sure what they will have for limits.
1633) Message boards : Number crunching : Intel Compute Stick? (Message 1662702)
Posted 8 Apr 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
... and I have a bunch of neighbors using WIFI. Their activity caused my connection to break so the application wasn't accessible.

The Intel dongle will plug into the HDMI port on the back of my AiO PC.

Then I gotta' worry that the dongle & PC WiFi will clash. This is a weakness in WiFi.

Maybe someday the WiFi standard can be modified to CDMA, like 4G LTE. Then, multiple devices in the shack and the neighbors might get along, like the crowds of cell phone users.

The HDMI port on your system is most likely an out to connect your system to a TV or HDMI display. ?Unless your AIO has an optional video capture device to feed video signals in.

Also the WiFi wouldn't "clash". Not any more than two notebooks setting side by side on the same network would. Cell phone carrier work on different bands. Which WiFi has in the various channels you can choose to run on. If all of your neighbors are all running the same channel as you. Then you are likely to have a bad time & poor connections.
1634) Message boards : Number crunching : whats up with the badges (Message 1662700)
Posted 8 Apr 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The badge system hasn't worked since before Thanksgiving when the servers started to have problems.

After that it fell to the way side as they as working to correct the problem with the servers. (higher priority to get the server working)

So any ribbons you see are from the time before the servers started to have it's problems.

There was some debate about why have them at all but rather a mute point at this time.

The badges that were implemented here are the "BOINC default" ones that the BOINC devs came up with. Generally whatever Dr. Anderson adds to BOINC will be implemented for SETI@home even if Eric & the guys disagree.
1635) Message boards : Number crunching : Intel Compute Stick? (Message 1662592)
Posted 8 Apr 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Intel Compute Stick dongle uses Intel Atom quad-core processor powered off a micro USB jack. Since it is Intel, I assume the instruction set is x86. If enough other CPU options e.g. SSE, etc. are included maybe this thing could be made to run SETI@home code.

I've been keeping my on these since they started talking about them. As my old 61" TV only has 1 HDMI port on it I use a HDMI switch to run my HTPC & playstation to the TV. I currently have 2 free ports on hte HDMI switch. So if these turn out to be decent little things. I might get 2 to hang off of the back of the switch.
1636) Message boards : Number crunching : Intel® iGPU AP bench test run (e.g. @ J1900) (Message 1662591)
Posted 8 Apr 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

BTW. I see it correct that the 4 CPU-threads of the Intel® Celeron® J1900 (it says 2MB) have just one L2-Cache (no cache miss possible?)?
BOINC v7.4.42 say: Cache 1024KB, so maybe there are 2x 1MB, 2 CPU-threads with one L2-Cache each (cache miss possible?)?

Thanks.

Silvermont SOC (Avoton, BayTrail, & etc...) have 1MB cache for each 2 CPU cores.
http://images.anandtech.com/doci/7314/Screen%20Shot%202013-09-11%20at%208.27.39%20AM.png
You can also see when using CPUz under cache "Level 2: 2x 1024 KBytes".
1637) Message boards : Number crunching : hard drive died (Message 1662196)
Posted 7 Apr 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
An install of XP w/ SP3 slipstreamed in can be installed without a key & gives you 30 days to enter a key then activate it. That should get you up & going without needing to find your old OS key right away.
If you don't have an install disc. Do you have the ability to download & burn a CD/DVD?
1638) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows 10 may put SETI@home in Danger (Message 1662072)
Posted 6 Apr 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I'm using win10 build 10041, most of the time works well.

If you do the 10049 update you can stat playing around with Spartan.
1639) Message boards : Number crunching : Error when downloading!! Again (/&%¤#¤%&/( (Message 1661169)
Posted 3 Apr 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I was able to create an account with Einstein@Home & 2 other projects using the "lost password" link with my 2nd account. It has only ever been connected to SETI@home, but my username & other account info was carried over. I imagine this is part of the BOINC project syncing process. As the account creation date listed on the other projects displays March 4th. I know for a fact I was not attaching to any projects or any other messing around that day. Given I was having my HVAC replaced.
1640) Message boards : Number crunching : Error when downloading!! Again (/&%¤#¤%&/( (Message 1661093)
Posted 3 Apr 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The Astroids download issue is an ongoing issue the admins has been working on. See this thread for details. I get about 2500 errors for ever 20-30 good tasks.

For most projects you can check the Server Status to see the amount of work "Results ready to send". In this case you will notice that Astropulse is 0. Astropulse work is generally always in high demand/short supply.

Also there is not currently a stock MB Nvidia linux app. Which you can check by accessing the Applications list for the project.
1641) Message boards : Number crunching : SETI@home v7 7.03 (opencl_intel_gpu_sah) - Computation Error (Message 1660956)
Posted 3 Apr 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Updating drivers may or may not solve the problem. Quoting HAL9000 in this thread http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=76941

I wonder if that has to do with your driver version 10.18.14.4156. In the world of GPU crunching latest rarely is the greatest. As such the last driver version 15.36.14.4080 were listed as DO NOT USE for SETI@home. As it would produce errors. When we were discussing iGPU drivers last. Version 10.18.10.4061 with 10.18.10.3621 as fall back were known to be good. Versions 4156 may be good as well, but falls into unknown/untested.


You may have to revert to an older release known to produce good results, although I don't know which one that would be for your hardware -- others are much better versed in the pros/cons of what really works vs. "latest and greatest".

I have seen a few Haswell machines running 4156 without producing errors. Given the problem drivers tend to generate nearly 100% errors it is a good sign. I have not seen any Ivy Bridge system running it. I have not checked the driver to see if it supports Ivy Bridge or only the newer Haswell & Broadwell GPUs.
With GPU drivers & crunching "If it isn't broke don't fix it" really applies.
1642) Message boards : Number crunching : AMD CPU tips (Message 1660902)
Posted 2 Apr 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

Umm...The only reason AMD doesn't officially work with OSX is Apple hasn't produced a CPU driver for AMD..


You do know that Microsoft own part of Apple don't you and they do share some code , and you know that the Kernel in AMD is not as compatible as Intel is ?

I'm shore someone has got Mac to work with AMD but i have had much more trouble with AMD than Intel when it comes to running a Vm . Even with Vmware which do have licence to allow mac to run on there systems .

Yes i do know Apple and AMD came up with the HT ( hyper transport)

AMD are ok but as i said don't buy them because there cheper than Intel as it will not save you money in the end .

Selling a chip cheaper to make people think there getting the same thing is not clever in my opinon and is dishonest and why i am not liking AMD . I don't like smart alex company's offering things cheaper when they are not as good as outher products .

AKA : VHS vers Beta cord (which was a better tech but we all got stuck with VHS because of dishonest marking and dishonest contracts that limited avaibility of videos in the Beta Cord format)

You do know that Microsoft sold the remaining shares from its 1997 investment in Apple back in 2003 don't you?

There are many people happily running OSX on AMD based systems. They, & Intel based non-Apple systems, generally refereed to as a Hackintosh as they have not been blessed by Apple. My understanding is the main issue in getting OSX to run on non-Apple hardware is mostly OS BIOS/EFI issues. As a normal no-Apple doesn't have what OSX is looking for when booting.

While I don't prefer AMD CPU/APUs myself there are perfectly fine for SETI@home or general day to day usage. In a review of the A10-7800 APU vs an i3-4330, both rated for 3.5GHz, the A10 cleaned up in the GPU test and the i3 did so in the CPU tests. Oddly enough the AMD is more expensive in that comparison with the A10 vs $130 for the i3. If not using an add-in GPU the extra $50 the A10 costs seems ok with the significant gains you get in GPU performance. However $180 can also get you a mid range i5.
1643) Message boards : Number crunching : v7-(opencl_ati5_sah) tasks are available but I can't seem to get any v7-(CUDAxx) tasks?? (Message 1660739)
Posted 2 Apr 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
No problem get AMD/ATI tasks on 7970's or R9 280x, but for the life of me I can't seem to get any CUDA work on Linux-64 or Win-64 setups?

Is it simply they are all taken already or is there some driver thing or other setup thing I've done wrong?

BTW, I have only GTX 580's and a couple 560Ti cards, all Fermi... I think most setups running 347.52 Drivers... They work with other projects fine...

Thanks!

8-)

For SETI@home there is no such things as "CUDA work", "CPU work" or any another other type of device task. Tasks are assigned to a device when BOINC requests work from a single pool. That pool is the feeder which loads tasks from the Ready to Send queue. The feeder may at times be empty. Which can happen when work is in short supply as it is now.

If your machines were getting GPU work & are now not. It is probably just luck of the draw. If something has changed then it could be an issue to troubleshoot.
1644) Message boards : Number crunching : Need some help or advice (Message 1660730)
Posted 2 Apr 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
On my new monitor. I just went with plug and play and didn't use the install disc with it.

Many "monitor drivers" are really just installing color profiles. Which only a few people actually ever use.
1645) Message boards : News : SETI@home World Visualization (Message 1660729)
Posted 2 Apr 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
That is pretty fun to watch. I just killed about 15 minutes without realizing it.
1646) Message boards : Number crunching : Slot Directory errors on new system (Message 1660440)
Posted 1 Apr 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have on many occasions seen BOINC has created extra slot folders for seemingly no reason. I just checked my current system that has been running only Milkyway for the past week or so. I had slot folders 0 to 5 instead of 0 to 4. With slot folder 5 being empty & having a creation date of March 30th. Just as you are seeing restarting BOINC cleaned up the extra slot folders with BOINC 7.2.42.

If BOINC isn't going to do a very good job of housekeeping perhaps there is a way to automate the cleanup of the extra folders.

I wonder if the debug flag <disk_usage_debug> would show anything useful or just disk usage.
1647) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (96) Server Problems? (Message 1660438)
Posted 1 Apr 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I don't understand the MB graphs right now ... In Progress and Received are climbing while the splitting is next to nothing.

Stange

Not really strange. Work is going out faster than it can be generated.
1648) Message boards : Number crunching : Intel® iGPU AP bench test run (e.g. @ J1900) (Message 1660110)
Posted 1 Apr 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
For a point of comparison my J1900 that I've been running since June.
Running no GPU parameters & the CPU constantly runs at the Boost clock rate of 2.42GHz instead of 2.0GHz. I'm unsure if the GPU is running at 688MHz or 854MHz. As GPUz doesn't show clock information for it & I haven't tried any other tools thus far.
I've pretty much figured the GPU as 20% of the total system output as well. I have some more precise numbers in a spreadsheet from when I tracking exactly how it preformed. It should be around here somewhere...
1649) Message boards : Number crunching : Intel Integrated GPU not working (Message 1660105)
Posted 1 Apr 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=76542&postid=1658618#1658618
1650) Message boards : Number crunching : Intel Integrated GPU not working (Message 1658618)
Posted 29 Mar 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I just followed the rules and the intel drivers for IGPU are installed. The question is should some additional drivers in addition to the standard device drivers be installed?

You may find that a monitor needs to be connected to the iGPU output, and/or the Windows desktop extended to include the iGPU. Claggy is the expert on this.

Hal6000 did a How too:

http://www.hal6000.com/seti/manual_display_detect.htm

Claggy

I found that I only had to extended the desktop when starting BOINC. Once BOINC was running I could switch back to a normal desktop until I restarted the system or BOINC.
1651) Message boards : Number crunching : Nvidia Titan X (Message 1658616)
Posted 29 Mar 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
You meant slower in MHz when you said:
"Interesting, but according to that article it would be slower than the Titan X which is slower than the current GTX 980s"

GTX 980 > Titan X > GTX 980Ti

That's where I started to get confused, because I was talking about GFLOPS

I wasn't comparing clock speeds, you were.
What I was refering to was the amount of cuda cores in relation with clock speed to calculate sp performance. That is the same for different gpu cores like 980 or titan x.

That order is how I would expect them to be then the 980Ti comes out. It would also fit the pattern from the 700 series. With the x80Ti being faster than the lowest end Titan. Although the DP performance of the 900 series titan is rather... lacking compared to the previous generation. Not that we need DP for SETI@home.
1652) Message boards : Number crunching : Nvidia Titan X (Message 1658230)
Posted 28 Mar 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Interesting, but according to that article it would be slower than the Titan X which is slower than the current GTX 980s

GTX 980 > Titan X > GTX 980Ti

why would you do that?

You would think it would at least make it as fast if not faster than the current model.

But how does it compare to the 780Ti which it is replacing?
1653) Message boards : Number crunching : I need some help to find a software (Message 1658226)
Posted 28 Mar 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
erm, well just some points of order. Firstly if you have XP service pack 2 or newer, then you have Windows firewall, and AFAIK won't uninstall, but you would have to manually disable (which I would never recommend except under tightly controlled laboratory conditions, in isolation, behind a NAT router). Assuming you uninstalled some third party firewall mentioned in the thread (which I didn't read, freely admitted) I would recommend not dropping any more firewalls, but figure out how to open the requisite port(s) instead.

[Edit:] sorry if that sounds tetchy, it's not meant to. Just seen enough chaos induced by imprecise firewall setups to last me a lifetime ;)

The Windows Firewall service can be removed. There is no menu for it, but there is a command line function. I wouldn't suggest removing it as things that apply firewall settings will still be applied, probably via the registry. That may cause some network things to not function & leave you without a way to change/disable the settings.


Configuring the correct ports is the proffered way to go. However if the machine is behind a hardware firewall. Then disabling the software one(s) for a quick test should be OK. However if the hardware firewall is setup like a sieve then it could end in tears.
1654) Message boards : Number crunching : Need some help or advice (Message 1658221)
Posted 28 Mar 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Edit- I hit F8 went into the DOS screen where it gave a me a choice. I picked start normal windows and it booted up.

What is shown in Device Manager for the USB hardware, mouse?


I seem to allway get booted back to the log on page.

The only way that would occur is if you log off, switch user, or the system reboots.
The system rebooting randomly could easily be due to power supply issues, and they could also result in other random hardware issues.

I found a randomly rebooting system can also be from a intermittently faulty case power switch. Which I only figured out when it failed completely in the closed/pressed position.
1655) Message boards : Number crunching : Multi GPU physical support (Message 1658022)
Posted 27 Mar 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Well, if one is picky about the appearance, model builder's spray paint comes in a variety of colors as well.

I hope it is sturdy enough. Hard to tell from the pictures how well made it is, although the price would hopefully indicate that it is not TOO flimsy.

While it may look like a small adjustable curtain rod I would hope it is must stronger for the $40.
1656) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (96) Server Problems? (Message 1657945)
Posted 27 Mar 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Well the AP splitters were turned off, I guess they were just teasing us.

The AP splitters are "Not Running" meaning they have nothing to do. When they are listed as "Disabled" they have been shut off.
Also the status coloumn is known to lie at times showing things as "Running" when they have been disabled or are not working.
1657) Message boards : Number crunching : Intel Integrated GPU not working (Message 1657860)
Posted 27 Mar 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
So the latest status is that Intel GPU is detected by Boinc but no crunching on it.

Actually BOINC has not detected your iGPU. I think you might have mistaken this line for the iGPU.
27/03/2015 20:38:56 | | OpenCL CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-3770K CPU @ 3.50GHz (OpenCL driver vendor: Intel(R) Corporation, driver version 3.0.1.10878, device version OpenCL 1.2 (Build 76413))

Which is just the CPU. Also a good way to tell is by the messages stating there is no iGPU.
27/03/2015 20:38:56 | | app version refers to missing GPU type intel_gpu

If BOINC had detected the iGPU you would see something along the lines of this:
3/27/2015 3:13:02 PM OpenCL: Intel GPU 0: Intel(R) HD Graphics 2500 (driver version 10.18.10.4061, device version OpenCL 1.2, 1298MB, 1298MB available, 53 GFLOPS peak)
3/27/2015 3:13:02 PM OpenCL CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-3470 CPU @ 3.20GHz (OpenCL driver vendor: Intel(R) Corporation, driver version 3.0.1.10878, device version OpenCL 1.2 (Build 76413))
1658) Message boards : Number crunching : I need some help to find a software (Message 1657697)
Posted 27 Mar 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Well thank everybody, I will check what you give to me ^^ Thank you!

Also, about my pretty far away computers, they are all into my home network, but I use far away because if I want to use a KVM switch, I would need a very very long cable ^^

I use VNC software at the OS level for my other machines to run them headless. You can also get hardware devices that allow a VNC sessions & give you full remote management. Allowing you to power on, reboot, or shutdown the system from your remote session.

For controlling BOINC I mostly use the built in function of BOINC manager & boinccmd, from command line, for my needs.
1659) Message boards : Number crunching : Multi GPU physical support (Message 1657400)
Posted 26 Mar 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
For that you could get a threaded rod from the hardware and then use a pair of plastic washers between some adjustment nuts for each card.

If there are hard drive bays, or the mounting points for removed drive cages, by the ends of the cards. That might be the easiest way to rig up some other form of brackets.
1660) Message boards : Number crunching : Multi GPU physical support (Message 1657357)
Posted 26 Mar 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
From what you said I think you are looking for a PCIe card retention bracket. So that the end of the card will fit into the card supports in the case?
One issue I see you may run into is that a "Full-Length PCIe card" is defined as having a maximum length of 312.00mm & your GPU may already be exceeding that. I do see a design in my head that would work for an adjustable bracket, but I can't say I have seen anything like that. Something like

But with a 2nd piece that slides for adjustment.

EDIT: Also I remember something called a cardkeeper, but it's main function was to keep the cards in the slot when the machine moved around.

I kind of laughed when I saw this, but I imagine it is similar to the device you found. Power Jack Which you could use if you put a support between each of your 4 cards before using it.
1661) Message boards : Number crunching : SSD and Bionic??? (Message 1657237)
Posted 26 Mar 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I just recently bought and installed a 1 TB Samsung 850 PRO, and I went from 20-25 minute boot up times to a complete restart in less than 3 minutes. I wish they had included the 850 in their tests, but this drive has a 10 year warranty. Now that I have made the jump to SSD, I will never go back!

This thing is fantastic!

Steve

You had a 20-25 minute boot up time? What the heck is your machine doing at start up. Loading the matrix? And I mean the actual matrix not the movie or game. :P

Is the 850 the replacement product for the 840 or just a higher end series? In either case I would hope for the same or better out of it vs the 840.
1662) Message boards : Number crunching : Bandwidth consumption of Seti@home (Message 1656823)
Posted 25 Mar 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
hello!

I just want to know how many Bandwidth one Seti@home task take.

I know this is not a big amount of Bytes, but I want to know do do some statistic :D

Thank you in advance, your are awesome!

For SETI@home Multibeam one task task is ~377KB to download & then upload is much smaller with a max size, IIRC, of ~30KB. In general it is easy to use 400KB for 1 task total when calculating. Perhaps even 450KB to figure in overhead.
For Astropulse a task is about 8MB to download.
1663) Message boards : Number crunching : AstroPulse not being assigned to GPU (Message 1656763)
Posted 25 Mar 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
You can run AP on GPU only if you install the Lunatics optimized apps.
When running the installer, you do not select to install the AP app for CPU.
It's been so long since I have run stock, I am not sure if you can tweak things there, but you probably could manually remove the stock AP CPU app and accomplish the same thing.

You could manually remove the stock CPU app, but BOINC would just download it again.
For the most part. The only way to specify which app on which hardware is still via an app_info.xml. Which is easiest to do by using the lunatics installer.
An app_config.xml might be able to be used to prevent an app from running on one type of hardware using the <app_version> settings, but that would probably be overly complicated. Also I think BOINC would still download tasks & just not run them.
1664) Message boards : Number crunching : SSD and Bionic??? (Message 1656757)
Posted 25 Mar 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Tech Report's endurance experiment finally ended. It had a surprising winner.

And the winner is... us. The consumer.

I was surprised at the longevity of them, given the past warnings I have read occasionally about SSDs.
The lifespan shown would outlast most computers in daily use for many many years.

In my main gaming machine I'm wearing the 240GB SSD about 1% a year according to the Sandisk app. However I'll probably be upgrading to a 480-512GB in the next year or so. Then rotate the 240GB into my HTPC which is running an older 120GB SSD now. I have been running BOINC on the SSDs since I got them.
1665) Message boards : Number crunching : SSD and Bionic??? (Message 1656678)
Posted 25 Mar 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Tech Report's endurance experiment finally ended. It had a surprising winner.

And the winner is... us. The consumer.
1666) Message boards : Number crunching : GPU driver version lists (Message 1656674)
Posted 25 Mar 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Looks like I would need to have a 2nd look.

Yes, it is known, e.g. by "Computers belonging to Richard Haselgrove":
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/hosts_user.php?userid=5509

... that GeForce GTX 750 Ti is supported on Windows XP
The NVIDIA page lists ~15 drivers from 335.04 to 347.88

Richard uses 335.28 (obviously successfully) but if he tried other versions I don't know (or remember)

Maybe easier is to look in 'SUPPORTED PRODUCTS' tab of a driver page:
http://www.nvidia.com/download/driverResults.aspx/74421/en-us

In some fields of your table you may need 'fuzzy' words like Most/Some/Few or some ~% of supported GPUs

It does looks like it is a bit more complicated than I first thought.
The main objective is to source out which driver(s) are a ones we don't think should be used for the project. Which may mean there should be an indication of CUDA: OK & Open CL: NG.

Is there even an issue with Fermi & newer generation NV GPUs & driver combo nations at this point? Should this chart be focused only on Pre-Fermi GPUs?
1667) Message boards : Number crunching : GPU driver version lists (Message 1656428)
Posted 24 Mar 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Besides the ATI driver list I have been keeping. I recently put together one for Nvidia drivers. The NV list needs lots of information filled in at the moment, but if it is useful then I'll populate it as I gain information. Something like the current NV list might be needed for Intel GPU drivers at this point as well.
ATI Driver Version Cheat Sheet
Nvidia Driver Version Cheat Sheet

On your XP version list, you have all drivers listed as "card not supported" for 600, 700, 900 series cards. My XP box has been running a GT 630 on 335.28 for, well about a year now, according to the release date you list for that driver. It has *not* been returning errors.

I was using http://www.nvidia.com/Download/Find.aspx & it looks like for the 600 & 700 series leaving Product: at the default value for XP was my problem. I had changed it to a few different ones when I first started & everything was showing the same. So I figured they would all be like that. Looks like I would need to have a 2nd look.
1668) Message boards : Number crunching : 963 Multibeam tasks with "Validation Pending" (Message 1656190)
Posted 24 Mar 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
But, on a 10 day cache ... ok a slow computer that takes 4 days computing time to complete a task, that's 14 days to get it back, fine whew. So to get to 6 weeks that is 96 hours out of 1008 hours, not bad, roughly 10% daily computing time.

THAT IS ONE TASK AND THEY HAVE 99 MORE THAT THEY GOT THE SAME DAY. Ok, being conservative, they only got 30, but still ... 29 or 99 lost tasks.


Slower hosts are not going to have 99 tasks in a 10 day cache. Remember that the cache is time based, so if the host takes over 240 hours to crunch a single workunit, it will only get a single workunit in its 10 day cache. 120 hours and it will only have 2 tasks in a ten day cache. etc. etc.

These slower systems not clogging up the database as much as you think. It is the faster systems that download several dozen, then the owner loses interest and never bothers to complete them that are a bigger problem (relatively speaking, as I don't think there are many of those either).

I was going to say my slowest host runs about 5-6 days for a normal task & caches 4-5 at a time. So a task it downloads today may not make it back for 20 days. However I do have all of my hosts check in at all of their projects once a day at 2PM (local time). That is mostly so that I get a nice stats graph on each machine.

Shorter limits don't really make any sense for this project. Given none of the data is time sensitive. Any form of host or user reliability metric used on the server side to limit host work would take time to develop & wouldn't make up for reliable hosts that just vanish.
The only real way to effectively reduce the number of pending tasks the OP is seeing would be to further reduce the limits for hosts. Perhaps allowing no cache at all and only the number of tasks for the number of devices in their system. I think many of us remember the days prior to tools, such as SETI Spy, for caching how fun only having 1 task per CPU was.
1669) Message boards : Number crunching : GPU driver version lists (Message 1656146)
Posted 23 Mar 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
There were a total of three 295.xx and 296.xx drivers that had the Nvidia missing GPU when monitor goes to sleep Bug, from my driver stash:

295.51-desktop-win7-winvista-64bit-international-beta.exe

295.73-desktop-win7-winvista-64bit-international-whql.exe

296.10-desktop-win7-winvista-64bit-international-whql.exe

Edit: The Bug isn't apparent when connected via a VGA connection,

Claggy

I added all the drivers that are currently available to download from the Nvidia website. I could cut the list down to start with the 3xx.xx drivers if that makes sense to that. Perhaps it should start the oldest working driver for the OpenCL AP app? I'm unsure what that might be off the top of my head. It may be in one of the app readmes from the lunatics installer. However from suggestions in the @Pre-FERMI nVidia GPU users: Important warning 266.xx drivers were being suggested.
I only have a 8500 GT to muck around with & I have been running 306.23 on it probably since 2012. Which may not be the most ideal driver, but it isn't any more than any previous driver I used. Then again I haven't tried to run AP on that card either.
1670) Message boards : Number crunching : Just added 3rd GPU and CPU is 'Waiting for Memory' (Message 1656140)
Posted 23 Mar 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
So previously you were running OK with 4 instances per GPU now?


That's correct, with 2 x GPUs (either the 2 x Titans or 1 x Titan & 1 x 750Ti) all was good, I had 4 CUDA tasks running per GPU (8 GPU CUDA tasks total) and 1 task per CPU core (8 x CPU tasks total).

Now, with 3 x GPUs (1 x Titan & 2 x 750Ti), 4 or 5 of the CPU tasks (it flips a bit) sit there saying 'Waiting for Memory'. I do, however, still have 4 CUDA tasks running per GPU still (12 GPU CUDA tasks total).

Makes sense?

As I said, I'm sure I'm not being efficient with the workload I'm assigning the GPUs/CPUs.

In your BOINC Computing preferences. What do you have for
    When computer is in use, use at most
    When computer is not in use, use at most
    Page/swap file: use at most

I think the default values are like 40 or 50%. Which if I'm doing my maths correctly should be fine for 12 GPU + 8 CPU tasks. However BOINC seems to think otherwise at the moment. So I would try bumping up those values if you have not already done so.
I pretty much maxed out the settings in the BOINC prefs for everything. SO I wouldn't have weird resource issues. At least not ones caused by BOINC deciding it needed to do something about.

1671) Message boards : Number crunching : Just added 3rd GPU and CPU is 'Waiting for Memory' (Message 1656123)
Posted 23 Mar 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
So previously you were running OK with 4 instances per GPU now?
1672) Message boards : Number crunching : GPU driver version lists (Message 1655699)
Posted 22 Mar 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Besides the ATI driver list I have been keeping. I recently put together one for Nvidia drivers. The NV list needs lots of information filled in at the moment, but if it is useful then I'll populate it as I gain information. Something like the current NV list might be needed for Intel GPU drivers at this point as well.
ATI Driver Version Cheat Sheet
Nvidia Driver Version Cheat Sheet
1673) Message boards : Number crunching : @Pre-FERMI nVidia GPU users: Important warning (Message 1655679)
Posted 22 Mar 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Or optionally upgrade from Pre Fermi to something that will compute faster burning less trees :).

What, The 8500 GT I am using is to slow for the amount of power is uses?!
I wish I could replace it, but it's a work compy. I keep getting teased that I'll get to replace the machine, but then we keep having budget issues. :/

Also is anyone keeping a list of NV drivers for people to reference like the ATI Driver Version Cheat Sheet I make?
1674) Message boards : Number crunching : GPU Problem (Message 1655678)
Posted 22 Mar 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
One way to observe any instability on the +12V rail, is to use a digital multimeter set to low AC volts. Ideally the AC content on the +12V(DC) to GND would be zero, but under load can bounce significantly if the PSU is either stressed/aged or insufficient. Less than about 200mVAC under full load would be (IIRC) in spec, though lower is better.

Some PSU models intended for high power multiple GPUs come with chokes on the PCI express power leads, while yet more expensive ones seem to have moved to extremely fast regulation circuitry.

Either way (AC there or not), as Keith describes a small GPU core voltage bump could help, provided nothing's actually faulty just on the edge of spec.

The R7 240 they have is rated for 30w. Which I would imagine is only coming from the PCIe slot.
However I did just noticed the R7 240 is designed to run 730-780MHz & it was previously stated the GPU was running at 925MHz. So it may just be a case of pushing a little card harder than it can go.
1675) Message boards : Number crunching : Intel GPU (Message 1655267)
Posted 21 Mar 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Since we have the big boys in here talking about CPU usage settings :D

I have always wondered...

Is there any difference in:
GPU 0.5
CPU 0.4

or

GPU 0.5
CPU 0.3

Does the GPU task use more or less CPU as indicated, or is it just a limit as to when to shut down a CPU to feed the GPU?

The the full descriptions of what the settings for the app_info.xml & app_config.xml are on the BOINC wiki.

But the simple answer it is just to reserve CPU cores.
So you can set the value for the CPU from
GPU 0.5
CPU 0.01
to
GPU 0.5
CPU 0.49
and nothing will change for a single GPU system.
If you had 2 GPUs and set
GPU 0.5
CPU 0.25
Then 1 CPU core would get reserved for the 4 GPU instances.
1676) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (96) Server Problems? (Message 1655012)
Posted 20 Mar 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
When I checked the SSP a few minutes ago, the ready to send for MB was 2!

And now it's over 30 minutes since the SSP last updated.

What did you expect? It's Friday, and it's a law that the system must prepare to go down for the weekend :-)

Yes, but it's still morning in Berkeley. Not even 10am yet.

And the SSP still hasn't updated.

I don't even pretend to do any work at work before 10am on a Friday. Once their coffee starts to kick in they might have some time to give things a look.
1677) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows 10 may put SETI@home in Danger (Message 1654752)
Posted 20 Mar 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I don't think I have used the screen saver since about October of '99.
1678) Message boards : Number crunching : Intel Integrated GPU not working (Message 1654642)
Posted 19 Mar 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
What chipset does your motherboard use?

Cheers.

Ah yes the P67 chipset does not allow the iGPU to be used. While all of the other 6 series & all 7 series chipsets do.
1679) Message boards : Number crunching : Intel GPU (Message 1654596)
Posted 19 Mar 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
A setting of <max_ncpus>0.02</max_ncpus> in an app_info.xml has nothing to do with the applications CPU usage while processing. It is used by BOINC for scheduling purposes.
A setting of <cpu_usage>0.02</cpu_usage> in an app_config.xml is used to reserve CPU cores. Such as setting <cpu_usage>0.02</cpu_usage> while running 2 GPU instances to reserve 1 CPU core.

That won't have any effect at all. BOINC allows the CPU to be over-committed until the sum of all <cpu_usage> and <max_ncpus> fractions, across all running co-processor tasks, reaches 1.000000: actually, I think <avg_ncpus> is dominant in app_info.xml, but that makes little difference to the principle.

With a value of <cpu_usage>0.02</cpu_usage> in app_config, BOINC will allow 49 GPU tasks to run in parallel, before reserving an extra core - but your hardware would probably have crashed long before that. To reserve the core at two tasks, the <cpu_usage> value would need to be between 0.5 and 0.99

I was doing a copy/paste with <cpu_usage>0.02</cpu_usage> & forgot to change that to <cpu_usage>0.5</cpu_usage> for my example. Examples are much better when actually accurate! Thanks for catching that.
1680) Message boards : Number crunching : Intel GPU (Message 1654539)
Posted 19 Mar 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I stopped one after 7 + hours and it was 46% complete

I wonder if that has to do with your driver version 10.18.14.4156. In the world of GPU crunching latest rarely is the greatest. As such the last driver version 15.36.14.4080 were listed as DO NOT USE for SETI@home. As it would produce errors. When we were discussing iGPU drivers last. Version 10.18.10.4061 with 10.18.10.3621 as fall back were known to be good. Versions 4156 may be good as well, but falls into unknown/untested.

Importantly the driver version is probably not related to that increase in CPU times. At least in the sense there isn't a driver that will magically fix the issue, at the moment.
1681) Message boards : Number crunching : Intel GPU (Message 1654535)
Posted 19 Mar 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I'm not overly talented at this but ... I'm sure you can do something like 0.02 CPU usage for your GPU, that way it won't tax your CPU and give a little to the GPU.

Other people will know the command ... I just don't know it without looking.

A setting of <max_ncpus>0.02</max_ncpus> in an app_info.xml has nothing to do with the applications CPU usage while processing. It is used by BOINC for scheduling purposes.
A setting of <cpu_usage>0.02</cpu_usage> in an app_config.xml is used to reserve CPU cores. Such as setting <cpu_usage>0.02</cpu_usage> while running 2 GPU instances to reserve 1 CPU core.

On an i5, or probably all Ivy Bridge/Haswell CPUs, when running SETI@home it doesn't matter if you are running 1 CPU instances, leaving the other 3 cores free, when running the iGPU as well. The CPU times will be increased to nearly double.
It is probably a limitation of the hardware. As the iGPU does not have any memory of its own. It uses shared CPU cache & system memory.

The theory of cache thrashing seems to be supported by the fact the J1900 Celeron, BayTrail hardware, I have does not show this same symptom when using the iGPU. Instead of a single shared cache it uses a separate for every 2 cores.
1682) Message boards : Number crunching : Intel GPU (Message 1654353)
Posted 19 Mar 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I think unless someone has a magic formula I am going to forgo the igpu.

AP takes 15 hours to run vs 4.5 on the cores and if I run anything on GPU, all cores take twice as long to do anything.

Does not seem like a winning proposition.

One things that was suggested, & I have not tried. Is running different projects on each hardware type. So like SETI@home on iGPU & Einstein on CPU.

Also 15 hours is a rather long time for the iGPU to do an AP. I was seeing times of about 3 hours for my iGPU 4600 & it is only 100MHz faster than the one in your i5-4570
1683) Message boards : Number crunching : Intel GPU (Message 1654352)
Posted 19 Mar 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
My tests with Intel vTune did not show me any apparent cause differences when running the iGPU to not.

Would it show memory bus overloading anyhow?

It has been some time since I looked at it, but I seem to recall it showed a form of memory i/o for the apps. I just recall that data was very similar between each capture. With nothing standing out, to me, as to what the cause might be.
1684) Message boards : Number crunching : Win 10 will be a FREE Upgrade to Win 7 & 8 Users!!! (Message 1654268)
Posted 18 Mar 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Windows 10 will be a free upgrade for all installations of win7/8/8.1--genuine or not.

Given they are moving the OS to a platform for services this makes sense. "Here is our OS, now buy our services."


Still leaves the very curious question: if they are going allow free upgrades, even for previously pirated versions, and most of their money comes from Software Assurance anyway, why not just go the full 10 yards and allow Windows 10 to be installed on fresh, new machines too? The idea for Microsoft here is obviously to reduce support costs for older OSes by giving it away as an upgrade. Certainly those remaining few licenses can't be that lucrative!

Yeah it is like they just can't bring themselves to say "Here it is a $0 to everyone." I think resellers, like HP, Dell, & such, are still going to have pay licensing fees. So it may be related to that.
1685) Message boards : Number crunching : GPU Problem (Message 1654265)
Posted 18 Mar 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Yea, ANY stop/start kicks it back on.

I don't understand why it locks up - it seems totally random. And even more confusing is why it starts back up (seemingly random as well) .... IDK if an update task or something kicks in that causes it to restart automatically.

I have been trying to watch it ... but you know, toast never pops when you watch it.

Very strange. Something seems to be telling the app to snooze, but it does not look like BOINC. Have you tried running without TThottle to see if it may be causing the issue?
1686) Message boards : Number crunching : GPU Problem (Message 1654253)
Posted 18 Mar 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
If you restart BOINC, or stop/start GPU processing, does the GPU activity go back up? Sounds like the driver may have crashed. Leaving the GPU app in lala land.
1687) Message boards : Number crunching : Intel GPU (Message 1654248)
Posted 18 Mar 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Guess I have some work to do if I want to use GPU

I suspended GPU work and CPU work dropped from 15000 to 20000 seconds to 2500 to 5000, like my other machine that is not using GPU

The CPU times being nearly double when using iGPU+CPU for SETI@home is what I was finding with my Haswell back in July, A journey: iGPU slowing CPU processing. I did some further testing iGPU tuning. My tests with Intel vTune did not show me any apparent cause differences when running the iGPU to not. So I have not yet found an ideal configuration to run iGPU+CPU.
1688) Message boards : Number crunching : Win 10 will be a FREE Upgrade to Win 7 & 8 Users!!! (Message 1654236)
Posted 18 Mar 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Windows 10 will be a free upgrade for all installations of win7/8/8.1--genuine or not.

Given they are moving the OS to a platform for services this makes sense. "Here is our OS, now buy our services."
1689) Message boards : Number crunching : GPU Problem (Message 1654193)
Posted 18 Mar 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
In BOINC what is the Status of the task. Running, Waiting to run?
1690) Message boards : Number crunching : Can I prevent longer 7.03 WUs being downloaded? (GPU problem) (Message 1653548)
Posted 16 Mar 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

(Oh, and I also tried letting Device Manager update my display driver, just in case my AMD Catalyst suite wasn't up-to-date. Big mistake. It 'updated' to a 2011 driver and totally knocked out the GPU. Thank goodness for the roll-back feature.)

Yeah.. it is best to NEVER let MS do anything concerning your video driver. If you want to know which driver is the latest then it will be on http://support.amd.com/en-us/download, but when using BOINC projects the latest driver is not, or often really, the best driver to use.
The drivers distributed by MS don't include the OpenCL component. So it wouldn't do you any good, or you might end up with a driver and OpenCL version mismatch. Which would generally just cause your GPU to trash all of the work it tries to do.
1691) Message boards : Number crunching : Can I prevent longer 7.03 WUs being downloaded? (GPU problem) (Message 1652479)
Posted 13 Mar 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
OK, now I'm a bit confused.

Some of the results reported above (especially the Astropulse 6 result) are from several months ago, before I updated my ATI drivers. They were certainly old then, and I updated after I saw that Astropulse 7 units were exiting (or stalling - can't remember - as soon as they started.

You can see what I'm running now from my post at the top of this thread. I've just checked my AMD Catalyst Control Center and the software update checker tells me I'm up-to-date (I'm running the standard version, not the beta.) The Catalyst software suite version is given as 14.501.1003.etc

I can see a CAL version from my seti@home event log. It's 1.4.1848, which is higher than the minimum given in posts above. My OpenCL version is 1.2 and as far as I know it just comes with the Catalyst suite. I can't see any mention of SDK.

I can certainly try detaching from the project and reattaching. But what would that change?

The CAL version that BOINC reports isn't very useful for SETI@home. As SETI@home doesn't use CAL applications. It does let us know that driver 13.12 or newer is installed for ATI cards up to the HD7000 series. The Rx 2xx cards do not support CAL & report no CAL version.
The OpenCL version reported of 1.2 is the version of OpenCL the hardware/driver supports. This information also isn't super useful.
The information that IS useful is located in the stderr_txt for the completed tasks.
Looking at a recent AP v7 task you did. We see:
Driver version:				 1642.5 (VM)
Version:				 OpenCL 1.2 AMD-APP (1642.5)

If we compare that to the ATI Driver Version Cheat Sheet I try to keep up to date. We see 1642.5 version, which is really 10.10.1642.5, & that tells us you are using the most recent SDK/OpenCL.

As Claggy is saying there are 3 parts to watch for with ATI drivers/apps. The driver, the SDK/OCL component (which sometimes doesn't get updated when installing a new driver), & the compiled files that the SETI@home applications generate. Those compiled files from older apps/driver versions should be removed. So the current configuration can be compiled.
1692) Message boards : Number crunching : Just bought a new GPU (GeForce 960) (Message 1652362)
Posted 13 Mar 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Well, if it's half a 980 at less than half the cost, I guess that's fair. And fits my budget better than a $550-600 GPU.

@Zalster:
If you are buying it for the CUDA cores, you will have to wait until Nvidia releases the next revision of Drivers. As of this review, 347.52 is the current non beta driver and I am getting "This graphics driver could not find compatible graphics hardware". According to the forums on Nvidia's web page, it is a known issue that will be worked out soon.

http://www.amazon.com/review/R30V3BR69VGKLM/ref=cm_cr_pr_perm?ie=UTF8&ASIN=B00SC6HAS4
A response from the reviewer indicates a future driver release may address this.

That sounds like that person might be having an issue installing the driver, or they are having an error ID 10T issue.
1693) Message boards : Number crunching : Just bought a new GPU (GeForce 960) (Message 1652351)
Posted 13 Mar 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The 960 basically looks like 1/2 of a 980, to me, & we have a number of people using 980's. So I wouldn't expect any problems with it working.

The app developers are still trying to work out how to take full advantage of this latest generation hardware. So at present you will probably not see 15x the output compared to the 610. It might only be 10-12x or so. Perhaps a bit less. Once you have 2 or 3 instances going at once it might equal out.
1694) Message boards : Number crunching : Need some GPU help (Message 1652119)
Posted 12 Mar 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Installed in one of my computers is a AMD Radeon HD 5450 card, 2Gb of DDR3 RAM. I can't seem to get it to pick any work units. Perhaps is a PCI-E card that won't process WUs. I don't know. Here's my computer info:

Asus A8N-SLI Deluxe motherboard
AMD Athlon 64 FX-60 dual core CPU
Windows 7 Pro 64-bit
4 Gbs. Crucial DDR RAM

The card is installed in the bottom most PCI-E slot.
I would appreciate some help on this. Thanks.

You are using Cat 11.2 from February of 2011. IIRC the minimum required version for ATI apps is 11.12. You can use the latest driver 14.12, but personally I'm sticking with 14.4 for the moment.
1695) Message boards : Number crunching : CPU Power Usage Varies Significantly With RAM Frequency (Message 1652116)
Posted 12 Mar 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I'm guessing the XMP profile increases voltage for the RAM, which is usually required for higher frequencies.

Well said. I use some Crucial low voltage 1.35v dimms in my i5-4670K boxen. The XMP profiles include 1600MHz at 1.5v in addition to the OC values.

As a personal note I would like it if the memory manufactures would publish the XMP info for their memory on their sites.
1696) Message boards : Number crunching : Win 10 will be a FREE Upgrade to Win 7 & 8 Users!!! (Message 1651674)
Posted 11 Mar 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Well a SSD sitting spare (1 used over in the Linux box), and both 32 bit and 64 bit tech preview ISOs downloaded to see how far they've got to go. Will see if I get a chance to get up and running.

I usually wait until effective service pack 2 (Win7 and win10 have tech previews, so I'd call usable release SP1 for me). Glad to see I might get some of the 8/8.1 benefits and still be allowed to use a desktop. Not sure how important that'll be after I migrate coding environment to the hololens and flap my arms about to make Cuda programs. (actually I do it that way now, but nothing happens)

To me the Windows 10 UI is a big improvement over windows 8.x for desktop usage. I think I'll still go with ClassicShell for the start button. As I don't care for the tile based one they have decided to implement.
1697) Message boards : Number crunching : Support for Quadcore Raspberry Pi coming? (Message 1651650)
Posted 11 Mar 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I am unsure, but the first appearance of an app for Raspberry Pi would be over at SETI@home Beta.
1698) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (96) Server Problems? (Message 1651371)
Posted 10 Mar 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Neat!

Matt posted a follow-up in the Tech News thread and has devised a method that may get AP up and running fairly soon. It involves starting a new, secondary DB whilst the broken one is repaired and rebuilt offline, and then when that is done, merge the secondary into the primary, and we should be back up and running properly after that.

In the meantime.. lots of data coming in through the cricket (inr-211/6_17). Seems to coincide with the cricket (inr-304/8_34) from the lab. I'll keep an eye on it to determine the amount of data transferred. So far, even though it has only been a few hours, ~385Mbit for 6 hours (as of 0315 utc) comes out to 968 GiB.

I stand by my previous statement. That anything before the 24th of March is a success.
1699) Message boards : Number crunching : Some GPU workunits cause driver reset (Message 1650666)
Posted 8 Mar 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have two machines with HD6870's. I'm using 14.4 on one and 14.9 on the other. Other than Cat Control Center crashing sometimes when opting with 14.9 I'm not having issues with either. With 14.12 I did see longer than normal CPU times for tasks when I did some testing with it.

It looks like you didn't mentions your GPU temps. With the two different cases I have one of my HD6870s runs around 65-70ºC & the other around 68-74ºC.
1700) Message boards : Number crunching : Inventory Limits (Message 1650246)
Posted 7 Mar 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
How about something like:

SendMax = (the lesser of 200/AverageTurnAround AND 200) - UserCurentCache) X (ReadySendBuffer/DesiredBufferSize)

I'm sure that info is already available to the scheduler without any additional database reads.

Fast users will get a bigger Cache, slow pokes would get a smaller one. Eventually as the turn around times average out I THINK everyone should have a 2 day cache and I THINK the overall Out In Field would go DOWN a far bit. Not to mention the Validation Inconclusive (and waiting to validate) should drop ALOT not having to wait for slow computers as much.

Changing 200 to 100, 300, etc would let them control what work is out there and how fast the get (most of it) back.

With that said, can they disable the BOINC user cache so that the slower computers wouldn't keep requesting work if something like this was implemented?

At the moment there are 2 kinds of limits that the BOINC devs have designed into the server code. That I am aware of. N * CPUs, a hard fixed limit, or a combo of those two options. Milkyway uses (nCPUs * 3) & an upper limits of 48 total CPU tasks. The BOINC options for GPU limits are pretty much the same. With a change not to long ago that applies the limit(s) to each GPU vendor type, such as ATI, Intel, or Nvidia, separately.
Any increase to the limits will add to the "out in the field". Everyone wants more tasks to ride out the hiccups, but that comes at a cost of beating the snot out of the MySQL db & causes more hiccups. At the moment the MySQL db is going a bit wonky for another unknown reason.
Before creating new/more problems the guys don't have time to fix. I think we should let them fix the current issues that they don't have time to fix.
1701) Message boards : Number crunching : CLOSED** SETI/BOINC Milestones [ v2.0 ] - XXVIII **CLOSED (Message 1648826)
Posted 3 Mar 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
130,000,000 cobbled stones in the bag. I wonder that that would come out to in metric tons.
1702) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (95) Server Problems? (Message 1647311)
Posted 27 Feb 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Remember folks, that it is never too late to give up :-)

I'm to lazy to give up. Wait...
1703) Message boards : Number crunching : Intel® iGPU AP bench test run (e.g. @ J1900) (Message 1647020)
Posted 26 Feb 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have an Intel® Celeron® J1900 (Quad-Core) with Intel® HD Graphics (iGPU).
The iGPU just have 4 compute units.
An AP WU lasts ~ 21 hours.
(Not freeing CPU thread/s. I saw no difference. Or is there?)

With: -unroll 4 -ffa_block 1024 -ffa_block_fetch 512 -hp (recommendation in readme file)
[-instances_per_device 1 (for MB and AP)]

For to make bench test runs, I use 'Windows AP bench 211 minimal' ...
But with which AP test WU? It should be a very fast/short WU.

http://lunatics.kwsn.net/index.php?module=Downloads;catd=44

The whole bench test run should not last days on this slow iGPU. ;-)

(IIRC BOINC is suspended during bench test run, so the whole time no crunching.)

Thanks.

As Joe stated from looking at my J1900. Running 18-24 hours is "normal" for the iGPU. CPU WU times are nearly the same for me with the CPU running at 2.41 GHz boost constantly.
1704) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (95) Server Problems? (Message 1646442)
Posted 25 Feb 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I'm not seeing a whole lot of errors on my end. Tuesday has a higher error count, but that just has to do with the everything being down for maintenance.
Personally I'm nor worried about the "HTTP gateway timeout" that I get on this machine at work. As those occur sometimes due to the nature of the MS TMG server being used. In that it sometimes decides I have to many connections open and blocks all traffic intermittently. I would have thought setting the limit to 10,000 would be enough...

As of 2015-02-25 14:20 UTC
Showing result for date: 2015-02-25
Scheduler Request Count: 26
Scheduler Success Count: 24,    92 % of requests
Scheduler Failure Count: 2,     7 % of requests

Failure Details:
__________________________________________________________
Description                     Count   Total % Failure %
"Timeout was reached":          0       0 %     0 %
"Couldn't connect to server":   0       0 %     0 %
"Couldn't resolve host name":   0       0 %     0 %
"Receiving data from the peer": 0       0 %     0 %
"HTTP gateway timeout":         2       7 %     100 %
"HTTP internal server error":   0       0 %     0 %
"HTTP service unavailable":     0       0 %     0 %

Showing result for date: 2015-02-24
Scheduler Request Count: 73
Scheduler Success Count: 54,    73 % of requests
Scheduler Failure Count: 19,    26 % of requests

Failure Details:
__________________________________________________________
Description                     Count   Total % Failure %
"Timeout was reached":          0       0 %     0 %
"Couldn't connect to server":   0       0 %     0 %
"Couldn't resolve host name":   0       0 %     0 %
"Receiving data from the peer": 0       0 %     0 %
"HTTP gateway timeout":         6       8 %     31 %
"HTTP internal server error":   10      13 %    52 %
"HTTP service unavailable":     3       4 %     15 %

Showing result for date: 2015-02-23
Scheduler Request Count: 70
Scheduler Success Count: 69,    98 % of requests
Scheduler Failure Count: 1,     1 % of requests

Failure Details:
__________________________________________________________
Description                     Count   Total % Failure %
"Timeout was reached":          0       0 %     0 %
"Couldn't connect to server":   0       0 %     0 %
"Couldn't resolve host name":   0       0 %     0 %
"Receiving data from the peer": 0       0 %     0 %
"HTTP gateway timeout":         1       1 %     100 %
"HTTP internal server error":   0       0 %     0 %
"HTTP service unavailable":     0       0 %     0 %

Showing result for date: 2015-02-22
Scheduler Request Count: 73
Scheduler Success Count: 71,    97 % of requests
Scheduler Failure Count: 2,     2 % of requests

Failure Details:
__________________________________________________________
Description                     Count   Total % Failure %
"Timeout was reached":          0       0 %     0 %
"Couldn't connect to server":   0       0 %     0 %
"Couldn't resolve host name":   0       0 %     0 %
"Receiving data from the peer": 0       0 %     0 %
"HTTP gateway timeout":         1       1 %     50 %
"HTTP internal server error":   0       0 %     0 %
"HTTP service unavailable":     1       1 %     50 %

Showing result for date: 2015-02-21
Scheduler Request Count: 71
Scheduler Success Count: 70,    98 % of requests
Scheduler Failure Count: 1,     1 % of requests

Failure Details:
__________________________________________________________
Description                     Count   Total % Failure %
"Timeout was reached":          0       0 %     0 %
"Couldn't connect to server":   0       0 %     0 %
"Couldn't resolve host name":   0       0 %     0 %
"Receiving data from the peer": 0       0 %     0 %
"HTTP gateway timeout":         0       0 %     0 %
"HTTP internal server error":   0       0 %     0 %
"HTTP service unavailable":     1       1 %     100 %
1705) Message boards : Number crunching : Splitting an internet feed (Message 1646273)
Posted 25 Feb 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

So of course that begs the question ....

Why are these things sold and what are they used for? Blowed if I know!



This allows you to put two phones on the same line. If you have DSL you can filter one side and put a phone there with a landline phone with your modem on the other and all will work just fine. (I even have one that looks like this, basically, that separates the four wires in a phone line.) I used to have two different wired phones and used a single wire for both.

Edit: Sorry Mark, I did not see your post.

Not the one Chris is talking about, his has absolutly nothing to do with phones. His has an RJ45 plug on one side and two RJ45 sockets on the other. Not sure how it is in the US but you can't plug a phone into an RJ45 as in the UK our phone plugs and sockets look like this

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_telephone_sockets

Chris's splitter uses the fact that cat5 has 8 wires but only uses 4 so a second LAN connection can be run over the spare wires. However that needs two splitters and two sockets on router or switch.

The other type has all 8 wires connected straight through and allows 2 pieces of equipment to share a LAN connection, just NOT AT THE SAME TIME.

If you read the description on several retailers websites it explains the difference and how they are to be used.

Now there is a splitter made for phones in the US that looks similar to that but would not work here as we use the 431a plug not and RJ11

Prior to digital office phones. The use of RJ45 connections for POTS lines was not unheard of in the US. Such as with 4 line phones.
There are RJ45 jacks designed to accommodate RJ12/RJ11 connections. Anymore they are the more common type I see.
1706) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (95) Server Problems? (Message 1646055)
Posted 24 Feb 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Chance for a working AP DB and AP project after today's outage:
Less than 3 %

Oh, That high?
1707) Message boards : Number crunching : ASUS AMD R7 260X 2GB (Message 1645552)
Posted 23 Feb 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Nope... Not on this card. The box has a 500 watt power supply. The board wont even post when this specific card is plugged in.

I returned the card. I remember that I had a Radeon 4870 in storage and am going to get that. Do you think a radeon 4870 will work for Seti ?

Robert

Sounds like the R7 250 may have been DOA. Perhaps you could try testing it in your other machine?

The HD4870 can be made to work, but you will have to use an older driver as support for the older HD4000 series has been removed in newer drivers. Anything from Cat 11.12 to Cat 12.4 should be good.
I'm pretty sure the current apps will still work, for now, with that card. It should be noted that the HD4000 series only had "beta" OpenCL support.
1708) Message boards : Technical News : Latest Astropulse Status (Message 1645131)
Posted 22 Feb 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Gotta love those "That can't be happening... but it is happening" moments.

Thanks for the update before you get back to your other 50 things that need to all be done at the same time.
1709) Message boards : Number crunching : Not sure what is happening to my completed WU's (Message 1645130)
Posted 22 Feb 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Well I thought if I cleared my cache it would straighten itself out. Unfortunately no, they are still disappearing into the ether. Il, track the ones it completes to see where they go...

Thanks,

Chris

Looks like you dumped the tasks at 21 Feb 2015, 22:19:13 UTC. That host shows 0 in progress & no new tasks downloaded since then.
If it happens to be crunching anything for SETI@home it is not associated with that host ID.
1710) Message boards : Number crunching : Productivity Chart (Message 1644958)
Posted 21 Feb 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Someone on the "panic" thread claims that there is increasingly a problem with invalid results being returned (apparently by GPU's). Is there a chart or table somewhere that lists the number of invalid results being returned over time, so we can check this claim? I know my account has that information, but I'd like to track the metric for the entire project.

You might be able to pick the information you want out of http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/stats/
1711) Message boards : Number crunching : Not sure what is happening to my completed WU's (Message 1644956)
Posted 21 Feb 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
So a couple of weird things happened yesterday on one of my machines. First a whole slew of WU's say they were abandoned because they ran out of time. This was not the case, their deadlines were well into the future. But more concerning is that the machine is getting new WUs and completing them, reporting them and then they seemingly disappear... My event log says they are completed and reported but the machine info on their site does not indicate that it has reported any work units in two days... Any thoughts on what might be going on?

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/results.php?hostid=7159696

That's the machine in question...

Thanks,

Chris

Note sure but the easiest way to find out what is happening to the completed work would be to track the tasks that your machine is actively working on.
These are the current two oldest tasks on that system.
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/workunit.php?wuid=1712359086
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/workunit.php?wuid=1712359013
If BOINC is running FIFO, as it normally does. Then they should be the next to be completed.
1712) Message boards : Number crunching : Splitting an internet feed (Message 1644942)
Posted 21 Feb 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I'm not sure what this "doubler" device you have purchases is, but it doesn't sound like a standard piece of network equipment to me. Unless it is a small 2 port hub/switch I wouldn't expect it to actually work.
From what other have posted I suspect what you have purchases is meant more for splitting a phone jack out for multiple devices.

I took an old 8 port switch I had laying around & put it in my TV stand to account for the growing number of internet devices I have there. I'm currently only up to 4. However, I suspect my next TV & surround receiver will have the ability to connect to the internet as well for various functions.
1713) Message boards : Number crunching : Raspberry Pi 2 (Message 1644266)
Posted 19 Feb 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The Raspberry Pi B apparently has "single precision performance of 0.065 GFLOPS" under Raspbian & the Raspberry Pi 2 is said to have "6x more processing power". I'm not sure if the "6x" is figured using all 4 cores or just 1, but 6x would put it at 0.39 GFLOPS of CPU processing power. Which is just a bit slower than a Pentium M @ 1.7GHz, but using a lot less power.
The GPU is listed at 24 GFLOPS & it looks to be the same GPU as the previous generation.
1714) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (95) Server Problems? (Message 1643504)
Posted 18 Feb 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
FYI,
I had contact with Eric ...
He said 'if everything will go like it should' then at 24 Feb AP will be online again.
You see it's not 100 % sure. So please don't shoot Eric or me if AP will be still offline. ;-)

Things most often do not go as planned. So I would call anything before March 24th a success. :D
1715) Message boards : Number crunching : Seti fundraising via Bitcoin Utopia (Message 1642766)
Posted 16 Feb 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The first SETI@home BCU campaign has completed & it looks like we did it in about 90 days.
http://www.bitcoinutopia.com/2014/11/setihome-annual-fund-drive/
1716) Message boards : Number crunching : Whats the Best Platform to Crunch on? (Message 1642689)
Posted 16 Feb 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hal, you forgot ... which setup gives the most reliable since results.

From what I see in my validating of other's inconclusive results ... NVidia cards suck at being reliable Scientifically. But you will bang up your credits.

Now that should start a debate!

Measuring reliability is a tricky thing to do. If you simply compare a hosts valid & invalid results the top 20 hosts run ~1-2% invalid. Which isn't to bad on most scales of reliability. Also if they were very unreliable then they would not be producing so many valid results. Granted there are a number of hosts out there producing 100% garbage. Like due to the person running them not ever monitoring the machine.
There is the well known issue when a seemingly valid CPU result will get marked invalid against two GPU results. With the two GPU results are obviously trashed. However, That is more of an issue with limits the project, or BOINC, has on validating results. That can also happen with 3 CPU results, but is probably less likely due to the much more mature nature of CPU computing vs GPGPU computing.

Error rates and issues are a given for GPGPU computing that we can only accept for the time being.
1717) Message boards : Number crunching : Whats the Best Platform to Crunch on? (Message 1642524)
Posted 15 Feb 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I know the PS3's have been pretty much depreciated since the firm ware update. The Android Based Platform runs slow on mid range to low end devices, so with that in mind is the best plat form pretty much the Desktop CPU and GPU?

Is their any alternatives?

Best in which aspect?
-Best total output
-Best Performance Per Watt
-Best Performance Per Dollar/unit of currency
One option not many consider is the MoDT(Mobile on Desktop) setup. A desktop MB that takes a mobile/notebook CPU & gives the ability to add standard desktop GPUs.
Here are some examples of the current Socket G3 MBs from ASrock.
A similar, & cheaper to MoDT, way to go would be with an Intel Atom based system & adding GPUs.
1718) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (95) Server Problems? (Message 1641911)
Posted 14 Feb 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
(Currently) I have just an Intel® Celeron® J1900 + Intel® HD Graphics.
The iGPU have just 4 compute units.

E.g. an AR 0.414109 WU lasts 6h:10mins on the iGPU.
Maybe a .vlar would lasts ~ 18 hours ...?

I aborted the two WUs this morning ...

AFAIK, ATI/AMD GPUs get .vlar's, or not longer?

I also have a Celeron J1900, but have it configured to only run AP at present. Its iGPU is much slower than HD2500 or HD4600 iGPU, but gets the job done just fine for me.

It was reported that Eric is pretty sure the VLAR to GPU exception is back in place. So I would not expect iGPU to get VLAR any longer.
1719) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (95) Server Problems? (Message 1641866)
Posted 14 Feb 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
What about 'Intel GPUs'?
Normally they could get .vlar's, or not?

My 'Intel GPU' got .vlar's at:
14 Feb 2015, 0:39:24 UTC and
14 Feb 2015, 6:40:35 UTC

Normally no GPUs would get tasks marked as VLAR.
I have never tried running VLAR tasks on my Haswell, Ivy Bridge, or Bay Trail GPUs. So I'm not sure how they would handle them, but my gut feeling is that they would be ok. You will have to let us know how your system responded to the tasks.
1720) Message boards : Number crunching : Limit iGPU to one WU (Message 1641438)
Posted 13 Feb 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
This is my current app_config

<app_config>
<app>
<name>setiathome_v7</name>
<gpu_versions>
<gpu_usage>0.33</gpu_usage>
<cpu_usage>0.1</cpu_usage>
</gpu_versions>
</app>
<app>
<name>astropulse_v7</name>
<gpu_versions>
<gpu_usage>0.33</gpu_usage>
<cpu_usage>0.2</cpu_usage>
</gpu_versions>
</app>
</app_config>

I'm sorry, I don't understand the syntax of your example.

Something along the lines of this
<app_config>
	<app_version>
		<app_name>setiathome_v7</app_name>
		<plan_class>CUDA50</plan_class>
			<ngpus>0.33</ngpus>
			<avg_ncpus>0.1</avg_ncpus>
	</app_version>
	<app_version>
		<app_name>setiathome_v7</app_name>
		<plan_class>opencl_intel_gpu_sah</plan_class>
			<ngpus>1.0</ngpus>
			<avg_ncpus>0.1</avg_ncpus>
	</app_version>
	<app_version>
		<app_name>astropulse_v7</app_name>
		<plan_class>opencl_nvidia_100</plan_class>
			<ngpus>0.33</ngpus>
			<avg_ncpus>0.2</avg_ncpus>
	</app_version>
	<app_version>
		<app_name>astropulse_v7</app_name>
		<plan_class>opencl_intel_gpu_102</plan_class>
			<ngpus>1.0</ngpus>
			<avg_ncpus>0.2</avg_ncpus>
	</app_version>
</app_config>

You would need to match the values in <plan_class></plan_class> with the ones you are using in your app_info.xml
1721) Message boards : Number crunching : Limit iGPU to one WU (Message 1641421)
Posted 13 Feb 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
One of my hosts has two GTX 970's and also an integrated GPU (intel HD4600). I run multiple WU's concurrently on the 970's but would like to limit the 4600 to one at a time. Is there a way to do that?

Also, are there any recommended settings for mb_cmdline_win_x86_SSE_OpenCL_Intel.txt?

Have you tried an app_config.xml with the <app_version> settings?

<app_config>
[<app>
<name>uppercase</name>
<max_concurrent>1</max_concurrent>
[<fraction_done_exact/>]
<gpu_versions>
<gpu_usage>.5</gpu_usage>
<cpu_usage>.4</cpu_usage>
</gpu_versions>
</app>]
...
[<app_version>
<app_name>uppercase</app_name>
[<plan_class>mt</plan_class>]
[<avg_ncpus>x</avg_ncpus>]
[<ngpus>x</ngpus>]
[<cmdline>--nthreads 7</cmdline>]
</app_version>]

...
[<project_max_concurrent>N</project_max_concurrent>]
</app_config>
1722) Message boards : News : Android Version Checking (Message 1641406)
Posted 13 Feb 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hi, I noticed that Intel Atom is not listed as a processor for Android. My Tablet has an Intel atom and Android 4.4 but I can not get work units for SETI. Any ideas? Thanks.

There are currently no Applications for Android x86 on main. However Beta does have one listed under Applications as Android (Intel/AMD x86 processor).
1723) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (95) Server Problems? (Message 1641404)
Posted 13 Feb 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Well, .vlar's on my ATI HD7870 isn't so bad at all. They run just OK, just a little bit slower than "normal" AR's.

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/result.php?resultid=3971749971

Edit: I can absolutely live with .vlar's on my GPU.

Edit 2: and another one, even lower AR: WU true angle range is : 0.011847
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/result.php?resultid=3971819529

Not bad at all, this one running with another .vlar on the GPU at the same time.

Nom nom nom, gimme more .vlars for my GPU. A third one, running fine and fast(ish):

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/result.php?resultid=3971899701

That's it, my conclusion is .vlar's for at least some ATI GPU setups, is no problems whatsoever, just a little bit slower.

End of story.

My ATI GPUs were perfectly happy to run VLARs back when there were not VLAR filter for GPUs.

As I recall there were some NV cards that really REALLY didn't like VLARs & could cause a system to lock up. I want to say that those with 500 series NV cards reported little or no problems with VLAR tasks, but it might have been the 600 series.
1724) Message boards : Number crunching : Lunatics Experience (Message 1641400)
Posted 13 Feb 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
A few days ago I (once again) set up my laptop for crunching and I got an alert from Avast also. It was about the lunatics uninstaller. I ignored it because I already had heard about false positives regarding the lunatics installer. I was just wondering why it is still not whitelisted at Avast.

I think it was during one of the more recent Lunatics releases it was mentioned, by Richard?, that the installer could be submitted to the various AV makers to be whitelisted. That give gives them extra work to do. I expect it is much easier to just tell users that they may need to adjust their AV settings. Much like it is advised to do with BOINC in general.
1725) Message boards : Number crunching : Only one Task downloaded for Duel Core Xeon CPU. (Message 1641119)
Posted 13 Feb 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
A bit hard to offer any advice with your computers hidden. Just to clarify: is this a dual-core, single-CPU host or a dual-CPU host? I'm not sure but I think there may be complications with dual-CPU hosts. I haven't had any experience with them, though, so I can't say for sure.

I've not heard of any issues with multi socket systems. I have 7 dual socket boxes running BOINC at the moment. There are various configurations from dual 1c/2t, dual 2c/2t, & dual 6c/12t CPUs. I was even playing around for a while with an older 4 socket system with 4 1c/1t 2.0GHz CPUs.

Getting back to the OPs issue. If only 1 task is being downloaded. Is it an AP or MB task? AP is down so only resend are going out at the moment. So if the venue the host is is only has AP enabled. Then downloading only 1 tasks is not a big surprise.
However if it is MB then there are many questions. Such as how many projects are configured on the host, SETI@hom project share, BOINC Cache & CPU usage settings. Just to name a few.
1726) Message boards : Number crunching : Haswell-EX get up to 18 cores!! (Message 1640899)
Posted 12 Feb 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
About time they got around to releasing the v3 for the E7's. All we had to drool over before were the E5's with their 18, 16, & 14 cores on 2 sockets. Now we can have 18c/36t with 8 sockets @ 2.5GHz
1727) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (95) Server Problems? (Message 1639753)
Posted 10 Feb 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I've observed some changes in the stylesheet over the past few hours - possibly due to that.

I was seeing this yesterday & then again this morning. The reply & quote buttons were also out of place for me. Maybe they are done poking around with things & they will remain constant now.
1728) Message boards : Number crunching : >1 Task per CPU? (Ans: Probably Not) (Message 1639581)
Posted 10 Feb 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Indeed <ncpus>N</ncpus> could be added to a cc_config.xml to tell BOINC to simulate any number of CPUs.

However doing so will likely have little to no gains. More than likely it would just result in less work done in a given time if gone to far. Much like I suspect is likely happening with the iGPU running 5 tasks at once.
Given people have been trying such things since SETI@home started ~16 years ago I suspect it will continue to go on.
1729) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (95) Server Problems? (Message 1639484)
Posted 9 Feb 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Still no AP's. Withdrawal symptoms setting in. Only cure for now, is to work longer days.

LOL

Most of my machines are living off of resends. Which at the current cache & rate of resends they will take another week to run out.
1730) Message boards : Number crunching : can Asic miners be used with Seti@home? (Message 1639481)
Posted 9 Feb 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
If it were that profitable to do so, it would be on everybody's agenda.

Thus far, at a 4,000+ Bitcoins per month for each farm (so times 6), it's been pretty profitable for these guys (a monthly gross of $1.5 million). Their only cost, $80,000 a month for electricity and the machines (but saying nothing about them, what's in them). I think that's the thing that stops most of us dead in our tracks.

Nothing said about the 4 man crew that eat, live and sleep there on the server floor to keep track of everything and step in to go fix things when they break.

Too bad they didn't really say what they run inside those servers, although they did look to me like 4 Teslas.

Coin ASICs are much cheaper & faster for mining than GPU based hardware. A High end GPU like a Tesla might eek out 200K hashes/s. Versus a USB stick ASIC that runs 2G hashes/sec & costs around $30.
1731) Message boards : Number crunching : Dual GPU, One Crunching, One Not. (Message 1639457)
Posted 9 Feb 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Update:

The Good news: Installed the 7870 drive (14.501.1003.0), BOINC is happy now crunching.

The Bad news: Windows now doesn't like the 4870 and have stopped the device (Windows has stopped this device because it has reported problems. (Code 43))

Same error as before.

So the main issue seems to be installing drivers for both GPU's. As Catalysts 14.***** doesn't recognize the 4870.

Hmmmmmmm

I would guess that the previous installation of the drivers for the HD4870 would be the issue. I'd run DDU to clean all of the drivers out. Then only install the 14.x driver for the HD7870. Then see if the inbox drivers for the HD4870 will give you the resolution you want.
I'm using a HD5750 in an old machine at home with Cat 14.3. I'll pop in my HD4870 to see how it responds to this configuration. I don't have a 1920x1200 monitor to test with, but I can do 1920x1080 to my TV & 1280x1024 to the monitor with that system.
1732) Message boards : Number crunching : can Asic miners be used with Seti@home? (Message 1639435)
Posted 9 Feb 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Can any of the Asics Bitcoin miners be used to crunch Seti data?

If you have some ASIC miners you wanted to use to aide SETI@home you could configure them to run http://www.bitcoinutopia.net/bitcoinutopia/index.php & Choose campaign #5 for SETI@home funding.
1733) Message boards : Number crunching : can Asic miners be used with Seti@home? (Message 1639365)
Posted 9 Feb 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Can any of the Asics Bitcoin miners be used to crunch Seti data?

Simple answer. No. ASIC: Application Specific Integrated Circuit
One would have to be made for the type of calculations that SETI@home does.
1734) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (95) Server Problems? (Message 1639359)
Posted 9 Feb 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Your monthly usage is about what I use in a year. OK some months you use more than I do in a year. And I have a ~29 year old central AC that runs nearly constantly in the summer.

Well, I have been trying to prove to people just what it is that I do here 24/7/365.
Every day, night and day. This is what I do.
So if anybody questions some of my statements, this should be proof enough.
I am a Seti soldier.
Meow.

If I had off-peak rates like yours I might consider having beefier machines, but I pay ~$0.18 KWh 24/7. Well that is the amount I average just doing bill amount/KWh used. I keep long running & yearly averages in a spreadsheet so I can track changes. Running SETI adds about 50% more KWh to my yearly usage, or about $50/mo.
1735) Message boards : Number crunching : Tracking Laptop through Seti (Message 1639327)
Posted 9 Feb 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Had my Toshiba laptop stolen out of my car last night. Anyway to track it to find it? If it keeps sending processed units can that help?
Any ideas?

thanks in advance

On the host details you, and only you, can access the "Show IP address" link to see if the external IP has changed since you used it last.
Unless it was stolen for personal use. Which seems to happen often these days somehow. It would have most likely been sold to someone that that wiped it on power up.
1736) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (95) Server Problems? (Message 1639184)
Posted 9 Feb 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I know about KWHs, my friends.

I burn a lot of them.
It does give me time to perhaps wonder what I could do with the price that I pay.

1/22/15 689.41 5531kwh
12/18/14 473.40 3652kwh
11/17/14 527.82 4267kwh
10/17/14 640.84 4631kwh
9/18/14 532.65 3938kwh
8/19/14 742.42 5256kwh
7/21/14 812.44 6326kwh
6/19/14 768.20 5737kwh
5/20/14 756.71 5502kwh
4/21/14 715.03 5602kwh
3/20/14 644.05 4946kwh
2/19/14 608.29 4689kwh

One year running total?

Your monthly usage is about what I use in a year. OK some months you use more than I do in a year. And I have a ~29 year old central AC that runs nearly constantly in the summer.
1737) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (95) Server Problems? (Message 1638730)
Posted 7 Feb 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I still have v6 WUs waiting for validation... noticed one yesterday.

Are you talking about AP v6? All 16 of your machines show "SETI@home Enhanced (0)"
1738) Message boards : Number crunching : Dual GPU, One Crunching, One Not. (Message 1638729)
Posted 7 Feb 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Cat 12.4 is the last version that supports the HD4000 series. I think the easiest thing to do would be install the drivers for the HD7870 & use the generic windows drivers for the HD4870.
1739) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (95) Server Problems? (Message 1638468)
Posted 7 Feb 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Out of curiosity, has anyone an update on the status of the donated server to replace Bruno?

Pretty sure they swapped out Bruno with the spare Sun X4540 the lab had on hand a few months ago. Give Eric stated "Beta is offline until the bruno replacement is up and running." & it has been up since at least December.

Althrough Beta is up, the stats exports there aren't occuring yet, there's a few people bitching about that.

Claggy


The S@H Validate function on Bruno has been disabled since the big crash. If it has been replaced why aren't those features restored? Not needed?

There isn't much need to validate MB v6 work these days. After nearly 2 years of running MB v7 perhaps the v6 stuff will get removed at some point. It's probably on the "to do" list near fixing the Beta stats export. So no big rush.

It is always possible the found Bruno stopped having CPU issues after some of the services were moved off of it & are in no rush to schedule a visit to the colo to swap out the machines.
1740) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (95) Server Problems? (Message 1638387)
Posted 7 Feb 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Out of curiosity, has anyone an update on the status of the donated server to replace Bruno?

Pretty sure they swapped out Bruno with the spare Sun X4540 the lab had on hand a few months ago. Give Eric stated "Beta is offline until the bruno replacement is up and running." & it has been up since at least December.
1741) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (95) Server Problems? (Message 1637967)
Posted 6 Feb 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I just use the provided "Avg: 889.98 Mbits/sec" from the summary when doing my calculations.
Perhaps they are planning to repartition the storage array & are copying everything from it first

The average that is listed is only for the most recent 24 hours. The graph itself is 38 hours wide. The transfer has been going for about 51 hours now. So yes, the most recent 24 hours is ~890Mbit, but if you look at the 38 hours that you can see, and remember what the hours before that looked like, the visual average appears to be more like 825 (for inr-211/6_17).

But remember, inr-211/6_17 includes all the MB WUs being sent out and all the scheduler contacts and so forth. The data transfer itself that shows on inr-304/8_34 is a bit less than what's on inr-211/6_17--about 100mbit less, actually, which seems to fit right, because before the transfer started, for 3-4 days, we were hovering right around 110mbit on 6_17.

Point is.. so far, roughly 15 TiB has been transferred up to the lab.

I thought the default average was being calculated for the entire time given like MTRG & RDDtool does. Perhaps cricket does it differently. I am unsure.
Yes it is quite a lot of data. As you stated. Making sure to look at the correct graph will give much more accurate calculations.
1742) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (95) Server Problems? (Message 1637922)
Posted 5 Feb 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Just how big is the AP database, anyway?

Not sure. Not too long ago, I noted that the AP DB is ~4.5 TB..at least.

If that was the case, then the data transfer should have been done in roughly 15 hours at ~725Mbit. So... I don't know what's going on now. Could be that the MB DB is being copied, too, and that one is quite likely to be well over 10 TB.

Seeing as our normal inr-211/6_17 link is also carrying the outbound traffic to us, we can't really use that to get a decent estimate of the extra payload.

Thanks to Joe's digging, inr-304/8_34 shows what is actually going up to the lab.

The massive transfer started at ~1100 PST on Tuesday. Just as an eyeballed estimate, I'm going to say the average for the past 50 hours appears to be ~700Mbit.

700000000/8*3600*50/2^40 = 14.32 TiB.

If they are transferring backups of both DBs, then I would imagine it won't last too much longer (4.5 for AP, >10 for MB, and we're nearly at 14.5 now, so..we'll see).

I just use the provided "Avg: 889.98 Mbits/sec" from the summary when doing my calculations.
Perhaps they are planning to repartition the storage array & are copying everything from it first
1743) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (95) Server Problems? (Message 1637792)
Posted 5 Feb 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
edit: also, looking at the normal 6_17 port, it looks like the ceiling has been hit for the past few hours on gigabit.

Yup, the graph flat-topped at about 952Mbit/s for about 12 hours continuously yesterday. And it's been running not much below that for over 46 hours now.

In the words of Zaphod Beeblebrox, that's a lot. That's a lot a lot.

[edit]
Just how big is the AP database, anyway?

It's big. Like really REALLY big!
1744) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (95) Server Problems? (Message 1637764)
Posted 5 Feb 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Taking that into consideration.. recalculating..

I'm going to call it ~775mbit for the past 28 hours.

775000000/8*3600*28/2^40= 8.881 TiB

edit: also, looking at the normal 6_17 port, it looks like the ceiling has been hit for the past few hours on gigabit.

And it just keeps going! It is an impressive amount of data. Looks like it might be around 17TB transferred thus far.
1745) Message boards : Technical News : AP database is back down (Message 1637762)
Posted 5 Feb 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Well, I'm just taking a guess here. I looked at your work queue - a most impressive long list of work! There are lots and lots of completed AP WU's with the Status, "Completed, waiting for validation".

And checking the Server Status Page, it looks like AP is dead in the water. So my conclusion is that your completed AP WU's will just sit there, spinning around on disk, waiting for validation, until that day the AP Assimilators start munching again. Then you will get well earned credits. For now it looks like technical problems with AP.

You do an enviable amount of work! Congratulations.

In the Panic thread we have been watching the bandwidth be nearly maxed since Tuesday. We have been guessing they are copying the AP db from the colo to the lab. I'm guess there is something odd going on they want to investigate.
1746) Message boards : Number crunching : Suddenly Missing GPU (nVidia driver update issue?) (Message 1637745)
Posted 5 Feb 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
No one mentioned it yet so I'll go ahead and ask.
Does your cc_config.xml contain this setting? <use_all_gpus>1</use_all_gpus>

If they were both working & then stopped I wouldn't imagine this would be the issue, but it never hurts to ask.
1747) Message boards : Number crunching : Win 10 will be a FREE Upgrade to Win 7 & 8 Users!!! (Message 1637389)
Posted 4 Feb 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Apparently also for the Raspberry Pi 2 as well. This post on the Raspberry Pi site (www.raspberrypi.org).

Windows 10
For the last six months we’ve been working closely with Microsoft to bring the forthcoming Windows 10 to Raspberry Pi 2. Microsoft will have much more to share over the coming months. The Raspberry Pi 2-compatible version of Windows 10 will be available free of charge to makers.

Visit WindowsOnDevices.com today to join the Windows Developer Program for IoT and receive updates as they become available.

You can signup for it now.
https://dev.windows.com/en-us/featured/raspberrypi2support
I wonder if it will also be included with our MSDN downloads.
1748) Message boards : Number crunching : AP availability (Message 1637359)
Posted 4 Feb 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
@Grant: Rly? OMG, I didn't know that, I always thought it's part of UCB. Ok, that explains a lot.

As I understand it. They basically they volunteer their time to work on the project when they are not busy with their paid jobs at the Uni.
As I recall it was stated they would need a budget of something like $100k-$130k a year to have a dedicated staff member for SETI@home. Given the SETI@home budget that isn't a realistic option. Back in November Eric said "It would be nice to think that we can afford to hire someone for just 6 months, but we typically can't."


Meanwhile, I've seen comments throughout the years of people saying they refuse to donate more money until the project improves its operations, and they can't improve their operations unless they have more hands (and expertise) to help.

Further, people seem to be more willing to invest in their own personal computing farms to increase their RAC, become angry when the project goes down due to some unforeseen problem, and insist the project is responsible for their electric bills due to idling CPUs not being put to use. And no one wants to donate freely to the project where it needs it the most: man power.

[Edited to correct my use of the apostrophe for Ageless and Weird Al]

Yes there does seem to be a cyclic error there.
1749) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (95) Server Problems? (Message 1637358)
Posted 4 Feb 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thanks for your answers. And my eyes the cricket graph gives a false of how fast data is traveling in and out of the servers. On a side note the actual speed that data travels is about the same speed that data travels on to a USB 3 external hard drive assuming that the speed stated while transferring files is correct in fact it is not slower than what it says

Well the information we see on the graph isn't so much false. Just more that we don't see the separation between what is moving off the campus & what is inter campus traffic.
USB 3.0 is designed for 5Gb/s or 625MB/s. The slower ~120MB/s with an external hard drive would just be due to the limits of a single mechanical hard drive. It would be neat if they could design a low cost portable hard drive with much higher i/o closer to that of a SSD. Maybe a small RAID configuration made of 1.8" drives or something weird like that.
1750) Message boards : Number crunching : AP availability (Message 1637356)
Posted 4 Feb 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
@Grant: Rly? OMG, I didn't know that, I always thought it's part of UCB. Ok, that explains a lot.

As I understand it. They basically they volunteer their time to work on the project when they are not busy with their paid jobs at the Uni.
As I recall it was stated they would need a budget of something like $100k-$130k a year to have a dedicated staff member for SETI@home. Given the SETI@home budget that isn't a realistic option. Back in November Eric said "It would be nice to think that we can afford to hire someone for just 6 months, but we typically can't."
1751) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (95) Server Problems? (Message 1637161)
Posted 4 Feb 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I am actually a bit surprised that with the bandwidth being used as heavily as it is work seems to be flowing OK.
(MB, of course).

So far it looks like about 2 TB of data has gone out of the connection over the past 5 hours. Perhaps there is a large chunk of something getting moved to the lab for some purpose.

It's moving out of the lab. They seem to be off loading data from the system. Could be a backup because they are going to try something special or they may be reading the data out so they can create a new data base and then write the data back. Some news would be nice.

Large spikes in the blue line, bits out, is the data going from the lab to the colo. Such as loading new data sets for splitting and such. Currently the green line, bits in or how much we are downloading, is running 800-900 Mb. Which is much much higher than we see when there is AP data going out.
With that high of a level being sustained for 8+ hours now it would be hard to imagine that there is data going outside the campus.
1752) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (95) Server Problems? (Message 1637136)
Posted 4 Feb 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I am actually a bit surprised that with the bandwidth being used as heavily as it is work seems to be flowing OK.
(MB, of course).

So far it looks like about 2 TB of data has gone out of the connection over the past 5 hours. Perhaps there is a large chunk of something getting moved to the lab for some purpose.
1753) Message boards : Number crunching : How hot is to hot for a Moto G first gen (Message 1637002)
Posted 3 Feb 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
total time was 29 hours, I now have all 4 cores crunching work units. I have noticed that 40c is a bit to warm for my liking so I turned it down to 35c. Its waiting for the batt to cool down as to why its taking a wile.

the device is listed under my computers. The first wu was a v6 work unit, the current 4 are v7 wu's. Maybe I should use only 2 or 3 cores to help keep it cool. It will take me a day or two to see how it is doing heat wise.

I still have mine at 40ºC. Since it never got there I didn't worry about it. When I replace a ribbon cable in my older phone I wan to run it without a batter if I am able & just hang it off a USB connection on my old notebook.

There are actually 5 applications for android:
7.21 (armv6-neon)
7.21 (armv6-vfp)
7.21 (armv7-neon)
7.21 (armv7-vfpv3d16)
7.21 (armv7-vfpv4)
Your device will have to complete 11 from each app before the server figures out which one runs the best on your hardware. You can see from my Galaxy S4 that the numbers are kind of all over the place for the apps.
1754) Message boards : Number crunching : Errors using Intel GPU (Message 1636999)
Posted 3 Feb 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
In the Intel gpu not seen by BOINC thread we talked about driver a lot. Richard did some testing with his Ivy Bridge & Haswell hardware with several drivers.
HD 4000 with drivers 10.18.10.3621 and 10.18.10.4061
HD 4600 with drivers 10.18.10.3621 and 10.18.14.4080
In those tests the only one that didn't come out well was the 10.18.14.4080 driver. So either of the other two should be good. 10.18.10.4061 is a newer driver that hasn't shown to have any issues thus far, but 10.18.10.3621 is the previous known good driver.
1755) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (95) Server Problems? (Message 1636704)
Posted 2 Feb 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
It is now late morning on the left coast and no APs have been validated, 3 days is cause for panic.

You panic after a mere 3 days?! How much valium did you need when AP wasn't validating for a few weeks recently? :P
When something happens late Thursday or Friday the earliest I would expect the guys in the lab to look at anything would be Monday. If they have time or are even in the lab. Of course they could have been working on it over the weekend without us even knowing & it is just taking many many hours to fix whatever may be wonky.
1756) Message boards : Number crunching : How hot is to hot for a Moto G first gen (Message 1636626)
Posted 2 Feb 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Nope no batt temp apps.

I have it setup to always run when plugged in, even when in use, and its been crunching for about 14 hours without even getting warm but its only at 40% done. I am guessing it will take 24 hours to complete a work unit. It's a spare phone and I dont have cell service on it, only some games I never play.

I may take a solar panel, a small wind generator, and a 5 volt regulator to make it a solar cruncher when summer comes around.

That seems like it maybe taking a long time. As I recall I was doing ~12 a day on my Galaxy S4. Granted it is a quad 1.9GHz SoC instead of a quad 1.2GHz SoC I would expect a single task to be further along after 14 hours.
Some devices will slow the CPU down when the screen is shut off. Which it may be doing. My older phone, a MyTouch 3G slide, was like that.
1757) Message boards : Number crunching : Will switching from 32-bit OS to 64-bit OS help? (Message 1636605)
Posted 2 Feb 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I would never switch back to Windows XP from Windows 7. Windows 7 is so much better, and since I have the Pro version, I get IIS, non-express, for free. It comes with Pro and Ultimate but you have to add it from the "Turn Windows Features on or off" page of the control panel.

After Windows 7 is discontinued and no more updates come in, I will be converting to Linux. I'd do it now but I just got this PC all configured the way I want for now.

If you mean updates/fixes then that date passed January 13th. You do have 5 more years for security patches.
1758) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (94) Server Problems? (Message 1636152)
Posted 1 Feb 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I find it amazing at how many people don't support the Seti project as a whole and are only concerned about how many credits they receive for towards their time.

Lets face it, the project is designed for science, not for showing how many credits you can get!

With AP being down their are about 2500 WU/hr not getting crunched. Which translated to MB workunits should be about 57,000 WU/hour. And yet looking at the MB graphs there is little to NO change in the amount of work being done on that project.

Come on guys, are you really so concerned about your credits that you would rather change to a different project than to support this one, as a whole?

I'm sure the MB guys would be more than happy to help with AP work if the tables were turned.

When the server side parts go offline crunching does not stop on all the hosts. There is just a delay in validating the completed work as it is turned in. MY fastest machines that do AP only are still running down there cache of AP before they switch over to MB. However my MB only machines do not switch over to AP when there is no MB work to do.
1759) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (94) Server Problems? (Message 1636143)
Posted 1 Feb 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Most Seti users are not aware of anything at all concerning the day to day operations or lack therof with the project, Tbaby.
It is a fraction of a percent of us who even monitor such things.
OR bother to post here on the boards about it.
I am not bashing you...just saying that rehashing what is already well documented is called beating a dead horse.

As it has been stated by the SETI@home staff. Creating "busy work" would be scientifically irresponsible. So if they have a reason to resplit a data set 50 times I don't see any issue. I'll process whatever they throw at me.
1760) Message boards : Number crunching : How hot is to hot for a Moto G first gen (Message 1636132)
Posted 1 Feb 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Do you have any apps to check your temp? Often there is only a battery temp sensor to monitor, but it's better than nothing. As I recall my Galaxy S4 never got much over 35ºC. Which running 4 tasks at a time in my pocket or while charging.
Your mileage may vary.
1761) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (94) Server Problems? (Message 1635738)
Posted 31 Jan 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
New tapes loaded, for MB as well as AP, but still no signs of life from AP. DB still down, validators still down, assimilators and splitters still down.

Oiiiiiiii !!!!

[back to fetal position]

It would be nice if someone could at least revive the AP validator so all these Pending APs could receive credit.
Even better would be the Database and splitters...

Doesn't seem to happen (Friday would have been the day though, I don't expect them to work today)

This leads me to believe that the AP DB never really got fixed. It's still something wrong with it. 4 Nov 2014, 23:30:05 UTC] was the exact date and time, when the AP DB first went to the place of fire and brimstone, and by the looks of things, it's still not out of there.

Something tells me there is something scheduled to run at that time. Which can on occasion cause the AP db server to barf all over itself.
1762) Message boards : Number crunching : Will switching from 32-bit OS to 64-bit OS help? (Message 1635736)
Posted 31 Jan 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The lunatics found there were gains when running a 64-bit app in a 64-bit OS over running 32-bit apps in a 64-bit OS. So they complied 64-bit versions.

I don't recall the exact amount of gain with the 64-bit apps over the 32-bit ones, but it is a few percent IIRC. As far as the CPU temperature it could possibly run a few ºC warmer.

Given your machine(s) are hidden it is unknown if you are running stock apps or Anonymous platform & if you are running MB or AP. Currently there is only a stock Windows 64-bit app for AP. While there are 64-bit Windows apps for MB & AP from the lunatics installer.

If you were planning on doing a clean OS install there is no reason not to change from 32-bit to 64-bit. If the purpose is just to change to the 64-bit SETI@home apps I personally wouldn't go thought the effort of setting up everything on my machine again.
1763) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (94) Server Problems? (Message 1635278)
Posted 30 Jan 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Well if they don't fix the AP issues before they go home for the weekend, I will go into real panic, and assume fetal position for the rest of my weekend :-)


I think that will be a given, hopefully back up on Monday, but..........

Luckily my AP hoppers are full enough to get through til ........Wednesday?

":D

I think things were fixed. The bandwidth had been up for the past 2 hours & at least resends are going out.
1764) Message boards : Number crunching : DSL Router - internet speed allocation if more devices (Message 1635009)
Posted 30 Jan 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Your router may have bandwidth throttling functions. So you could limit the bandwidth per MAC or IP address on your internet network if that is what you are wanting to do.
If there are no bandwidth limits & each of the 4 devices were try to use as much bandwidth as possible. Then the switches would basically give all 4 devices ~1/4 of the available bandwidth. Otherwise if devices are using less bandwidth then each one will get to use however much it needs until you reach your provider limit. At that point how the traffic is split comes down to how the software in the router/switches functions.
1765) Message boards : Number crunching : Lost Credit and Tasks? (Message 1634994)
Posted 30 Jan 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hal, I never liked the bagde idea, so how can I disable it from showing?
(Woriking to much, to trust myself to edit any of my account info without guidance.)

I use an add-on for my browser called adblock plus. It is mostly meant to block ads, but will let you add filters to block any kind of content you like.
To block the badges I have just added berkeley.edu/img/pct_*.png
1766) Message boards : Number crunching : Top GPU models list (Message 1634396)
Posted 29 Jan 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Kinda makes you wonder why there aren't any Barts listed in the Mac column. This Host has 3 of them that are producing around 70k a day, http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/show_host_detail.php?hostid=6796479. I think that is a little more than a HD 6630M can produce...

Here's at least 3 Different Barts hosts;
1) http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/show_host_detail.php?hostid=6796479
2) http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/show_host_detail.php?hostid=6277950
3) http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/show_host_detail.php?hostid=7199204

I often see "AMD ATI Radeon Barts XT Prototype" listed under the Mac column. I don't think I have seen it listed since the other day when mine vanished from the listing. There are normally more GPUs listed under the Intel Mac column as well.

I think they all vanished after the AP assimilators ran and cleaned up all of the old work. So instead of number of hosts. The numbers are probably only calculated when there are more than N results for a specific GPU. Looking over the code I think the limit may be 500.
1767) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (94) Server Problems? (Message 1634281)
Posted 28 Jan 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
With all tapes showing "done" for APs then there is nothing for the splitters to work on, so they are down.
It would appear that the staff are trying to keep the number of tapes loaded fairly small, so we may get a few new tapes once a few of those mounted have been munched (or is it "Splatted" as Julie once suggested?) by the MB splitters.

I believe it was Sten-Arne that first started calling them splatters.
1768) Message boards : Number crunching : Top GPU models list (Message 1634279)
Posted 28 Jan 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Here's something interesting. It seems a Cayman has appeared on the Linux AMD list, http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/gpu_list.php. I don't recall seeing a Cayman on that list prior to me switching my host from Vista to Ubuntu. I switched back to Vista for about a day and the Cayman disappeared from the Linux list. I switched back and the Cayman reappeared. If that is my Cayman, it would seem the Anonymous platform GPUs are reflected on the list as my host is running under Anonymous platform and the GPU isn't even listed on the details page. Seems BOINC sees my Vista host as having 2 Caymans whereas it sees the Linux host as having 2 Capeverdes...more strangeness.

Yes, In the discussion that Joe provided a link to. Dr. Anderson mentioned "I fixed a bug in the script, and changed it to include anonymous platform hosts."
1769) Message boards : Number crunching : CLOSED** SETI/BOINC Milestones [ v2.0 ] - XXVIII **CLOSED (Message 1634257)
Posted 28 Jan 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Have to brag:)

Took me six months of saving and upgrading, but I finally broke 100,000 with a single computer:) As a bonus it's #5 on the top 10 list:)

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/hosts_user.php

Good job, but I think you meant http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/top_hosts.php
1770) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (94) Server Problems? (Message 1633635)
Posted 27 Jan 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Not good.....
Or at least more bad than good...

It looks like the same error channels as before, but Marvin & the gang are back online now.
1771) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (94) Server Problems? (Message 1633556)
Posted 27 Jan 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
From the looks of SSP, the AP database is belly up again

The AP science database is disabled, and the AP assimilators are no longer running either. The backlog that was being cleaned up is re-growing.
Hopefully it's not due to further database issues.

And there's a spate of error channels from the splitters, too. Uh oh..

Perhaps splitter error started & they shut everything down to look at it later?
1772) Message boards : Number crunching : Win 10 will be a FREE Upgrade to Win 7 & 8 Users!!! (Message 1633404)
Posted 27 Jan 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I am truly thankful that you folks are willing to do this testing.
And so far the Information that I'm getting is going a long way in helping Me decide if I even want their FREE Upgrade.

<EDIT>Does it actually work as an Upgrade or does it overwrite everything?</EDIT>

Beta are normally clean install only. I did a clean install & have not tried to see if the installer supports doing an upgrade from an older OS yet.
1773) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (94) Server Problems? (Message 1633296)
Posted 27 Jan 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
All I will say is there is a exploit and there is a reason the servers gave my machine a ID but seeing as I'm just a high school iddiot whom knows nothing i'll keep what I have learnt to my self . Seeing as the program was written by a user at seti I can see others getting problems . The user involved has not maliciously done this his intention was just to produce a program we could use but there is a problem with the newer version so , I'm not up set with him .

It would seem you are asserting the server code is perfect & could in no way hiccup causing your machine to generate a new ID. Despite the evidence of several people informing you that it does randomly happen now & then.
I'm genuinely astonished at your faith in Dr Anderson & the BOINC devs in the matter.

The code for generating new host IDs is explicit and available in the BOINC source code - this is an open source project, after all.

It's in sched/handle_request.cpp, and I see four cases at lines 230, 324, 335 and 349 (search term "new host record"). The mystery is why the cases cited -

If no host ID is supplied, or if RPC seqno mismatch, ...
If the request's host ID isn't consistent with the authenticator, ...
If the seqno from the host is less than what we expect, ...
Here no hostid was given, or the ID was bad...

- should occur in normal running, when the user is confident that none of the bad things happened.

Some kind of error in the packet or an issue on the server, possibly a memory leak or hardware related, with the received host information would be my first thoughts oh how it might happen.
I think it may be related to the same reason I will see messages on my MB only machines every so often "Your app_info.xml file doesn't have a usable version of AstroPulse v7". When they are in a venue that only asks for MB work. There are some 1's & 0's out of place somewhere when that happens.

The decision was made to give a host a new ID if something goes wrong on a request. Which is probably better than the server keeping track and waiting for the the next request to decide if it should do something later or ignoring the request.
1774) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (94) Server Problems? (Message 1633240)
Posted 26 Jan 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
All I will say is there is a exploit and there is a reason the servers gave my machine a ID but seeing as I'm just a high school iddiot whom knows nothing i'll keep what I have learnt to my self . Seeing as the program was written by a user at seti I can see others getting problems . The user involved has not maliciously done this his intention was just to produce a program we could use but there is a problem with the newer version so , I'm not up set with him .

It would seem you are asserting the server code is perfect & could in no way hiccup causing your machine to generate a new ID. Despite the evidence of several people informing you that it does randomly happen now & then.
I'm genuinely astonished at your faith in Dr Anderson & the BOINC devs in the matter.
1775) Message boards : Number crunching : Win 10 will be a FREE Upgrade to Win 7 & 8 Users!!! (Message 1633237)
Posted 26 Jan 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Yep, I had to set up the laptop from scratch as well. I was super glad I tried the thing out first, because to be able to completely install everything... it needs internet. Not sure why though, but one of the first questions is which internet connection you want to use, even before adding a name of a user.

And then the weirdest thing by most is that you have to make a Windows account, with either a @hotmail.com or @outlook.com extension... but this isn't an active email address, it's just an account Windows uses. Or at least, when I tried to log in with that account, Outlook.com (the web site) told me the account was unknown. So I had to separately make it anew, with the same name and password. Yeah, I am going to manage to explain that to my mother. ;-)

An hour ago I was fighting with the pre-installed Skype. Now, the Skype on my own computer has a menu at the top, lots of things to offer and an acquaintances list. Not the one coming with Windows 8.1; here all you have is a button to call people, to look through your empty list and to search through your list. Then there's three dots at the bottom, which when clicked open to give you a chance to search someone out there on the internet and add them, and something else I have already forgotten. NO Options, NO preferences, even getting out of this Skype isn't easy as it's a full-screen endeavour. I'm contemplating uninstalling it and installing a Skype by hand.

With Windows 8.x using a Microsoft account instead of a local PC account is optional. You just have to find part on the screen at that point that says "skip this" or "use local account instead" or something like that. It has been a while since I had to set one of those up, but I did a OS install/setup guide for the other people at work with the exact process to skip the Microsoft account bit.
With Windows 10 a Microsoft account is required. At least so far, but I imagine they will ship it like that. They used to call it Live ID, but now the name is Microsoft account. Any e-mail address can be used when setting up a Microsoft account. The one I was using at work today happen to be with a gmail account I use for testing.
Once logged in with Windows 10 it looks like local accounts can be setup like normal. I will have to see about that at some point. I think most of my time was spent finding things that need shut off and locked down. Like our normal test systems are configured.
1776) Message boards : Number crunching : Win 10 will be a FREE Upgrade to Win 7 & 8 Users!!! (Message 1633202)
Posted 26 Jan 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Having just played around for the past couple of days with a Lenovo G50 with Windows 8.1 on it, I must say there's nothing more I hate than Windows 8.1

Not easy to get into, not even when you've been using all kinds of Windows since 3.0 days. Very difficult to get rid of all the pre-installed bloatware (both from Lenovo and Microsoft). And whomever came up with those charms should be taken out back and flogged.

I dread tomorrow when I get to give that laptop to my mum, who is 75 years old and gets her first internet connection on Wednesday.
Although I got rid of most of the bloatware, there's still plenty on the machine that apparently needs to stay on as else Windows stops working. Sigh.

That doesn't bode well for Windows 10 then.
I'll make sure to install it on one machine, the tv-server first as that one is easily reformatted and brought back to its former glory, just because there's not much on there. It streams all we do with it from an 8TB NAS. But at least by installing Windows 10 on that machine, the family can decide if they want it on their own machines.

Not if it also sports the "Start menu" with all the tiles and the Microsoft Store that cannot be uninstalled.

I'm not a fan of the tiled "start menu". I figured I would put Classic Shell on there later. I only spent about 90 min messing around with it. I may have more time tomorrow if we don't get snowed out tonight.
1777) Message boards : Number crunching : Win 10 will be a FREE Upgrade to Win 7 & 8 Users!!! (Message 1633191)
Posted 26 Jan 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Playing around with the latest version of Windows 10 today at work & if it more along the lines of what Windows 8 should have been. I haven't yet found much that causes me wish a 10,000 year curse upon Microsoft. Like Vista, Windows 8, & Windows 8.1 did.
1778) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (94) Server Problems? (Message 1633003)
Posted 26 Jan 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Glenn it can happen due to lots of reasons, sometimes the user has to do nothing for it to happen.

I remember a thread a while ago about this.

I do remember seeing a thread about this, too. There was some time a few years ago where some machines were getting a new ID for... no reason that could be determined. I believe the best theory had something to do with A/V interrupting the process of updating client_state.xml every 60 seconds, and if BOINC can't write it.. it just kind of starts anew.

However, if you say both "machines" seem to be updating on their own even though there is really only one machine, the next thing you'll need to do is click "show IP address" on both of the apparently-identical machines to confirm whether or not it is the same machine or not.

So compare those addresses and report back (for security reasons, DON'T actually post your IP here, just whether they're the same or different.

I had one machine a few years ago that was generating a new ID every few days for no reason at all. A work machine with a clean ghosted OS image loaded & only BOINC running.
Also for me BOINC only records the internal network IPs from my machines on the LAN side of my router rather than my internet IP.
1779) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (94) Server Problems? (Message 1632878)
Posted 26 Jan 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Cricket indicates more data being imported. It will probably take a couple hrs before it's ready to be split.

There is one already being split.
1780) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (94) Server Problems? (Message 1632863)
Posted 26 Jan 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Looks like the AP cleanup is done.
Hopefully after the weekly outage & DB cleanup MB & AP splitting should be restored to their former levels (once we have new data to split).

I think this may be the first time I have seen the data set queue be empty from all the work being split.
1781) Message boards : Number crunching : AstroPulse Work Fetch Thread (Message 1632748)
Posted 25 Jan 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Yeah right. 7.0.65 works fine as well. As does most of the versions in between.
I want you to stop and think about the uproar that would be caused on this Forum if you told EVERYONE here they couldn't use anything Less than 7.2.42. This is a Server Error, not a BOINC version Error. The Server works Fine under Anonymous platform proving it isn't a BOINC Version Error.

This Bug was introduced with AstroPulse version 7 on MACs Only. There isn't any reason for it and there isn't any way to determine what other Effects this could have.
Known BUGS should be corrected.


Other than that, there seems to be something strange going on. I know these APs are heavily Blanked but I don't recall them zipping along the way they are on this system, http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/results.php?hostid=7199204
I hope there's nothing wrong...

So you are saying that two recommended release versions work fine, but the versions in between them do not?

Something does look odd with those short run times. There are a few that are low or zero blanked that ran in 600-700 seconds. Which is really fast for a HD6800.
1782) Message boards : Number crunching : Lost Credit and Tasks? (Message 1632734)
Posted 25 Jan 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I know I shouldn't be so petty but I noticed my badge is gone as well. I have
a OK RAC of 23K, as of this post. One of my computers is down so not as good
as it should be. And almost 12 million in work done score.

????


Badges haven't been working right since the great crash of 2014. I don't think it's been a priority to fix them. Mine still shows me as "bronze"; due to my current points in RAC, I believe I should be well into the "silver" range by now.

Hopefully, they will fix this; but, like I said, it most likely isn't a priority.

Your current RAC puts you at rank 1,920. As I calculated previously
With the current 123057 active users the 5% badge would be granted to those from rank 6152 to 1231.


However just browsing the Top participants list it is clear that the badges are not really working. Given the user at #7 has a silver badge. I normally have the badges disabled in my browser. Given they are plastered all over the place in a gaudy fashion.
1783) Message boards : Number crunching : Top GPU models list (Message 1632643)
Posted 25 Jan 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=75889 in the Questions and Answers forum may be of interest.
                                                                   Joe

Indeed it is.
I do wonder if providing of list with GFLOPs might be more useful. Somewhat like the CPU list.
1784) Message boards : Number crunching : Lost Credit and Tasks? (Message 1632580)
Posted 25 Jan 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thanks guys, I noticed my client had 'Use GPU Never' - which I must have selected recently by accident.

Allowed GPU usage again.

Looking at the App details for your host. It looks like you have not done any SETI@home v7 or AstroPulse v7 on your GPU. AstroPulse v7 was added in October. So your RAC may have been falling for quite some time with your GPU set not to be used.
1785) Message boards : Number crunching : Question about AP vs MB Preferences (Message 1632576)
Posted 25 Jan 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
With the changes to the feeder only sending out a maximum of 7 AP tasks the feeder may have AP work to send out much more frequently. However with AP + other set you will get MB work when the feeder has 0 AP work.
I am ok with going several hours or a few days with no new AP. Even with a queue of 100 AP my fastest GPU takes about 2 days to do them all.

For one of my machines that is AP only & rarely ever has to get switched to my AP+MB venue. Most of the requests of AP come back with 0.
Total number of work requests: 1000
Number of requests gaining work: 132
Number of requests not gaining work: 868

Tasks per request percent and count: Total
0 tasks: 86 %, 868
1 tasks:  9 %,  98
2 tasks:  2 %,  24
3 tasks:  0 %,   8
4 tasks:  0 %,   2
5 tasks:  0 %,   0
6 tasks:  0 %,   0
7 tasks:  0 %,   0
8 tasks:  0 %,   0
9 tasks:  0 %,   0
1786) Message boards : Number crunching : Lost Credit and Tasks? (Message 1632572)
Posted 25 Jan 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
With the current 123057 active users the 5% badge would be granted to those from rank 6152 to 1231. Looking at the Top participants for that area you have just fallen below 6152.
Looking at the external stat site Free-DC your daily output in the past week looks to have dropped a bit. Probably when we were out of AP work recently. Which would reduce your RAC compared to others that say do MB work only.
1787) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (94) Server Problems? (Message 1632470)
Posted 25 Jan 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
They really should turn on the ap assimilator v6 too. I still have 6 AP v6 tasks that needs to be assimilated.

I'm sure there are still thousands of AP v6 tasks in need of assimilation.

Edit, added:

Not good:

5471 SETI@home 2015-01-24 16:21:58 Sending scheduler request: To fetch work.
5472 SETI@home 2015-01-24 16:21:58 Requesting new tasks for GPU
5473 SETI@home 2015-01-24 16:22:41 Scheduler request failed: HTTP internal server error

I have 26 APv6 that are ones stuck in limbo & will require the clean up script to be set free.
1788) Message boards : Number crunching : Seti@home 7.7.03 OpenCL Intel sah problem (Message 1632468)
Posted 25 Jan 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Your Intel GPU driver version of 10.18.10.3939 could also be an issue. It has been found with a few drivers so far that they do not work well with SETI@home applications, or a few other projects as well.
10.18.10.3621 and 10.18.10.4061 are known good drivers at the moment. Recently some discussion about drivers was had here.
1789) Message boards : Number crunching : Question about AP vs MB Preferences (Message 1632466)
Posted 25 Jan 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Right now, I have my SETI preferences set to AP and MB. I get relatively few APs, of course. From reading the Fora, I get the distinct impression that those who have their preferences set to AP only get a lot more APs than I do.

If I changed my prefs to AP only, no MB, BUT also said "send me anything you got if you don't have the apps (AP) I checked available"

1) would I get APs preferentially (to MB) when both are available?
2) would I still get MBs as before when no APs are available?
3) would I net more APs that way?

Thanks for any info!

You will not really get any more AP than you do now if you do AP + other apps than you would with AP + MB enabled.
If you want to mostly do AP then you would set only AP & manually toggle MB when required. I have one venue set for MB only, one for AP only & one for MB + AP. If I see an AP only machine get down to only a few tasks remaining I switch it over to the MB + AP venue until more become available.

Given that my machines are not super speed demons I rarely have to do anything.
1790) Message boards : Number crunching : Top GPU models list (Message 1632385)
Posted 24 Jan 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
A bit worrying to see the GTX 980 coming in at number 14

Perhaps it takes a while to build up in the ranks?
Also the performance most likely doesn't take into account the number of tasks being run at once. I would imagine those high end cards are running 3+ tasks at once.
1791) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (94) Server Problems? (Message 1632360)
Posted 24 Jan 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Oh, oh, oh. Something is struggling now. Not good, not good at all...

I'm hoping that the purging of the AP workunits that were assimilated yesterday has started.

Edit: My total AP valid has just dropped about 150. So looks like purging is now occurring!

Well, I can't even get to my task pages. Everything task related is not loading for the moment.

Luckily I had mine open & refreshing it only took 4 or 5 min.
1792) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (94) Server Problems? (Message 1632351)
Posted 24 Jan 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Oh, oh, oh. Something is struggling now. Not good, not good at all...

I'm hoping that the purging of the AP workunits that were assimilated yesterday has started.

Edit: My total AP valid has just dropped about 150. So looks like purging is now occurring!
1793) Message boards : Number crunching : Top GPU models list (Message 1632342)
Posted 24 Jan 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I was checking out the Top GPU models list today & noticed something strange.
The unique name I modified BOINC to display of "ATI Radeon HD 6870 (Barts XT)" for my hosts 5837483 & 7421701 is displayed. Rather than the BOINC default of "AMD Radeon HD 6790/6850/6870 series (Barts)". I had thought this list was generated only using data from the stock apps, but it looks to be including data from Anonymous platform apps as well. Which makes it much more useful.
From what I can tell there may be a requirement of two hosts with the same GPU to have it listed. Like the CPU list requiring at least 10 hosts for the CPU to be listed.
1794) Message boards : Number crunching : Move Boinc & Seti to new partition.... (Message 1632258)
Posted 24 Jan 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I can guess at the answer, but will ask the question anyway.

Is there any way to move Boinc to another drive/partition without having to finish all tasks, report them, un-install & re-install specifying the new location?

I ask as I recently upgraded my C drive from a HDD to a SDD. I realise it should take many decades for the read/writes from Boinc to degrade my SSD, but as Seti/Boinc do not need the access speeds a SSD gives It would make a little bit of sense to shift them to disk drive and off the solid state drive, and reduce the wear of the SSD as much as possible.

Thoughts, comments and criticisms welcome.

Don't know about Windows, but in Linux I can attach whatever partition I want to to the path of the boinc folder. As long as you move the boinc folder as a unit and change the commandline options of boinc.exe to use the new location as the home for it, you should be able to put it wherever you want. I've even transfered a boinc folder to another cruncher and had him finish some tasks for me before.

Boinc uses relative path and not absolute.

Another option windows provides is with the mklink command. Much link the directory and file linking in *nix systems. So you could move BOINC where you like & then just make a link back to the original path to keep everything everything else happy.
Using something along the lines of:
mklink /D C:\Program Files\BOINC D:\BOINC
mklink /D C:\ProgramData\BOINC D:\BOINCData

Remote paths can also be uses if you wanted to keep your BOINC stuff on a remote machine or network storage device.
1795) Message boards : Number crunching : AP V7 (Message 1632232)
Posted 24 Jan 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
That longer running task finished at 1.465 million seconds (16 days 23 hours, or 407hours), Credit received was over 600 at 606.31,

Claggy

The 2-3 days for the SSE versions blast right along in comparison.
1796) Message boards : Number crunching : Win 10 will be a FREE Upgrade to Win 7 & 8 Users!!! (Message 1632231)
Posted 24 Jan 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
For those that are curious like me, I found that what Microsoft is calling OS as a Service simply means they will push all updates to your computer automatically. No more Service Packs. Possibly no more Patch Tuesday. When an update is ready, it goes out.

-[ snip ]-

Greetings OzzFan,

Are you saying that we will have NO control over updates as we do now? I have Win7 inform me that there are updates and that I will deal with them at my leisure, meaning I don't want the update system rebooting my PC "automagically" without my consent or me having a hand in it.

The update system does not know my password to finish the boot process. At 1am, my PC would be sitting here waiting for it. BOINC would not be running until I get up and realize the M$ sent an update and tried rebooting my PC. BOINC would miss out on hours of crunch time.

I certainly hope that M$ is not planning on taking FULL control of the updates and allows me to continue as I have for the past couple decades.

Keep on BOINCing...! :)

MS specifically stated that updated could be be delayed for those that needed or wished to run longer stability situations. They also stated that they want to have things like security patches & fixes pushed out as soon as they are available. So Patch Tuesday may in fact be going away.
I imagine the auto update service will still be able to be disabled as it can be now. At least in the preview releases of Windows 10 you still can. However, I haven't had a change to install the newest version released this week.
1797) Message boards : Number crunching : Win 10 will be a FREE Upgrade to Win 7 & 8 Users!!! (Message 1631953)
Posted 24 Jan 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I would think your old LaserJet drivers would still work (I have a 4000N, 8100DN, and DesignJet 600) that are all working in 7-64. The two LaserJets were installed through finding the drivers via Windows Updates, but the DesignJet was tricky. I had to track down the 64-bit win2k drivers for that one.

64-bit drivers for really old hardware are basically universal, though they won't be signed and "trusted" by newer OSes, but they will still work just fine. Regarding the fact that the 4000 and the 8100 both got the drivers via Windows Update, I would have to assume they'll still be there and available for Win 10, as well.

(all three of my printers have JetDirect cards in them, so they are all network printers, and installing them is not specifically straightforward like plugging a USB printer in, or running the 800MB bloatware software suite for modern printers and selecting how the printer is connected.

To manually add a printer: control panel > devices and printers > Add Printer Wizard > add local printer > create a new port > type of port > TCP/IP > enter IP address, and then it should be pretty self-explanatory from that point. I should also note that my printers do use DHCP, but have reserved addresses. If you can't reserve a DHCP address for them, you should configure them to a static address, otherwise they might stop working because their IP changed.)

A driver that has been signed by MS for an older OS will have a compatible signature for all newer OS. Until they removed the ability to do so. We were only submitting our Wind 7/8 drivers for Windows XP digital signatures. Now we just submit for Windows 7 & there are check boxes to include the older OS such as XP & Vista. If a driver has only been signed for one platform you can get the unsigned driver message in the other platform. Such as an x86 signed driver in an x64 OS.

We haven't had any issues with our printer drivers in Windows 10, but they haven't really changed anything in the printing subsystem since some new things added in Windows 8.x. XP, Vista, & 7 drivers should continue to work with any issues. Miscellaneous software, from those 800MB bloatware packages, on the other hand may need an update. I do know the scanner software we provide with our MFPs does not care for Windows 8 or 10. So the overlords at the head office have finally decided to replace it.
1798) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (94) Server Problems? (Message 1631817)
Posted 23 Jan 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
...
The Science is compromised by all those crazy computers, filling the database with invalid results, and nobody from the project seems to care one iota about that.
...

Don't worry the instances of bad GPU results validating against themselves to cause a good CPU tasks to be flagged as invalid happens with AP as well.
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/workunit.php?wuid=1673423338
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/workunit.php?wuid=1659064648

I wouldn't call those GPU results bad, IMO the WUs simply had signals so close to critical threholding levels that quirks of the AP validator caused the CPU result invalidation.

For wuid=1673423338, the single pulse found by both GPU and CPU processing is well below the 1.01*threshold level so the Validator ignored it. The Rep. pulse found only by the GPUs is probably right at threshold, but I've downloaded the WU and will check that.

For wuid=1659064648, the single pulse found by both CPU and GPU is very close to the 1.01*threshold level (87.85995151 for scale 5). The CPU app was made before we added enough digits to the peak_power field in stderr to be sure its reported peak_power=87.86 is above or below that critical level, but the GPU peak_power=87.8589 is just below so the Validator ignored that GPU signal. The fact that it declared the CPU result invalid indicates its peak_power was actually above the critical level so the Validator was comparing 1 signal from the CPU result to 0 signals from the GPUs.

A proposed change to the AP Validator would have given the wuid=1673423338 CPU result credit on a "weakly similar" basis (and the accompanying "valid" indication). For wuid=1659064648 the initial validation would have come out "strongly similar" and the CPU result would have become canonical. I hope the server issues will subside enough so that change can move up the todo list.
                                                                  Joe

A threshold issue sound much better than one of the alternatives.
I'm sure they want the server issues to be resolved more than we do.
1799) Message boards : Number crunching : ATI 7950 and 7870 not getting GPU WU's (Message 1631815)
Posted 23 Jan 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The only thing I really see wrong with your app_config.xml is that there is no astropulse_v7.1 application. You wouldn't really need an entry for the MB CPU 7.01 app either, but I would not expect any app_config.xml entries to effect downloaded work. Incorrect entries would just be ignored I would image, or more so that you should bee seeing an error in the start up of BOINC.

In the Event Log are the work fetch requests displaying "Requesting new tasks for CPU & ATI" or just "Requesting new tasks for CPU"?
If the machine is busy working on Einstein GPU work it may be requesting SETI GPU work.
1800) Message boards : Number crunching : ATI 7950 and 7870 not getting GPU WU's (Message 1631745)
Posted 23 Jan 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I just converted a machine with an ATI HD7950 and HD7870 GPUs over to BOINC but am not receiving any GPU work units. I checked and both are DP-capable so that's not it. I've checked my Seti computing prefs and everything looks fine. The machine in question is M6400T.

The machine is happily crunching E@H GPU WU's so it's not a question of BOINC not seeing the GPUs. I've tried a re-set but it didn't make a difference.

All of my other machines are NVIDIA and are doing fine.

Thanks for any help you can provide.

Regards,
Steve

SETI@home only uses SP so DP isn't ever an issue an issue here.
Have you checked your SETI@home preferences and made sure Use ATI GPU is set to Yes for the venue the machine is in?

EDIT:
Looking at the errors on your host 7481448 it does show that you did at one point have 2 GPU tasks on the 19th, but they were Abandoned. Most likely when you reset the project.
1801) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (94) Server Problems? (Message 1631741)
Posted 23 Jan 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
And export stats hasn't been updated since yesterday.

There are several hours before today's daily stats dump is generated.
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/stats/
The timestamp is UCB local time or UTC -8.
1802) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (94) Server Problems? (Message 1631659)
Posted 23 Jan 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Don't worry the instances of bad GPU results validating against themselves to cause a good CPU tasks to be flagged as invalid happens with AP as well.
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/workunit.php?wuid=1673423338
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/workunit.php?wuid=1659064648

Well, I just checked the Validation inconclusives on my Test Mac and All the recent inconclusives are against nVidia Driver 347.09, http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/results.php?hostid=6796479&offset=0&show_names=0&state=3&appid=11

If these Bad Results start validating against my test App I will Not be a Happy Tester.

Those two results are with 4 different drivers.
[2] NVIDIA GeForce GTX 980 (4095MB) driver: 347.25
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 750 Ti (2048MB) driver: 344.75 OpenCL: 1.1
[2] NVIDIA GeForce GTX 770 (2048MB) driver: 331.82
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 750 Ti (2048MB) driver: 347.09 OpenCL: 1.1

They all do use 2721 app, but given I have 2 of these vs 11586 valid the percentage is a mere 0.000172622%.
1803) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (94) Server Problems? (Message 1631640)
Posted 23 Jan 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Just got screwed by two errors validating with each other.
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/workunit.php?wuid=1683786197

And on top of all, that result is now added to the database, as a valid result for the signals in the WU.

I wonder how many millions of invalid results that is now in the database as "real/valid" results?

The Science is compromised by all those crazy computers, filling the database with invalid results, and nobody from the project seems to care one iota about that.

And to add to it all, you haven't even received any toaster from SETI I guess....

Don't worry the instances of bad GPU results validating against themselves to cause a good CPU tasks to be flagged as invalid happens with AP as well.
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/workunit.php?wuid=1673423338
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/workunit.php?wuid=1659064648
1804) Message boards : Number crunching : Win 10 will be a FREE Upgrade to Win 7 & 8 Users!!! (Message 1631242)
Posted 22 Jan 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
There have been rumors for a few years that MS would switch to a free OS model. Like Apple has done with OS X & also how mobile devices are now. Companies have found that people are more willing to shell out $10-50 here and there for some software than they are to spend $100-500 for an OS. So the OS has become a more of a platform to install applications. Given the number of options for a OS that are free or basically free charging large sums for an application platform isn't a good business model.
1805) Message boards : Number crunching : Considering retiring my laptop with AMD Radeon GPU (Message 1630987)
Posted 22 Jan 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Oddly enough the 9800 GTX+ is rated at 506 GFLOPS & an HD7670m is rated at 576 GFLOPS. So the mobile card does have more oomph.
However as I stated before the types of applications on each hardware have different efficiencies. For multibeam work an ATI GPU of the same GFLOPs rating as an Nvidia seems to run about about twice as long. Running astropulse it would go the other way.
1806) Message boards : Technical News : PaddyM crashed last night.... (January 21, 2015) (Message 1630976)
Posted 22 Jan 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thanks for the news. As we all know. Things will take however long they take. Just don't stay up all night staring it.
1807) Message boards : Number crunching : Win 10 will be a FREE Upgrade to Win 7 & 8 Users!!! (Message 1630973)
Posted 22 Jan 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Just got this from Einstein@Home:

Win 10 to be a FREE Upgrade to Win 7 & 8 Users.

For the First year. What's it going to cost for the subsequent year subscriptions?? I haven't seen that information published anywhere so far.


Incorrect, and understandably confusing given that media is not clarifying this. Windows 10 is not subscription based, and they are not just giving away the first year free. They are giving away the entire upgrade free, but only for people who choose to upgrade within the first year.

[Edit] http://blogs.windows.com/bloggingwindows/2015/01/21/the-next-generation-of-windows-windows-10/

A blog post from Terry Myerson clears up what "Windows as a service" means, though the duration of "the supported lifetime of the device" is still foggy. "This is more than a one-time upgrade," writes Myerson. "Once a Windows device is upgraded to Windows 10, we will continue to keep it current for the supported lifetime of the device—at no additional charge."

I read the line more as "Early adopters get the upgrade for free". It is likely an attempt to get people to move into the newest OS more quickly. As I recall they did some sort of low cost upgrade to Windows 8 when it came out for Windows 7 users that had bought their machines in the past x months.
After the first year I would expect the pricing to be similar to that of Windows 8.x.
1808) Message boards : Number crunching : Win 10 will be a FREE Upgrade to Win 7 & 8 Users!!! (Message 1630931)
Posted 21 Jan 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Oh

I didn't mean to be the straight man

Since Windows 7 they seem to have been following a naming scheme of using the OS version number + the first decimal to be the named version of the OS.
Windows 7 v6.1.xxxx
Windows 8 v6.2.xxxx
Windows 8.1 Broke from that scheme & would have been Windows 9.
Windows 8.1 v6.3.xxxx
The early versions of Windows 10 did follow that scheme
Windows 10 v6.4.xxxx
They have since changed the OS version to now be 10.0.xxxx
1809) Message boards : Number crunching : Win 10 will be a FREE Upgrade to Win 7 & 8 Users!!! (Message 1630925)
Posted 21 Jan 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
What happened to Win 9?

Do you know why 6 is scared of 7?
Because 7 8 9...
1810) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (94) Server Problems? (Message 1630894)
Posted 21 Jan 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I'm only running one computer. Using 2 cores of an old Q8200 CPU for CPU tasks, and 2 cores feeding a single Mid-range GPU, ATI HD7870.
Look at the RAC folks, and ask yourselves why it beats so many multi GPU monster computers :-)



Do you cheat?

Do you?

Honestly I would expect that GPU to pump out a bit more. I would guess that the old Core 2 Quad might be slowing down the GPU a bit. At least that is what I found out after moving from my Core 2 to an i5-4670 CPU with the same HD6870.

I expect it to keep on rising (if AP's are available), and stop at around 45-50 thousand in RAC.

I guesstimate mine to to out somewhere around & that your GPU should, at least, put out 6.8-7.2k more than mine. Which would put your machine in range of what you are thinking as well.
1811) Message boards : Number crunching : Somethings bothering me. Help if you can please. (Message 1630882)
Posted 21 Jan 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
You can always check the Server status for the amount of work the servers have on hand. From the Results ready to send row.
At the moment there does seem to be little work on the servers & the AP database is offline again for some unknown reason.
1812) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (94) Server Problems? (Message 1630873)
Posted 21 Jan 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I'm only running one computer. Using 2 cores of an old Q8200 CPU for CPU tasks, and 2 cores feeding a single Mid-range GPU, ATI HD7870.
Look at the RAC folks, and ask yourselves why it beats so many multi GPU monster computers :-)



Do you cheat?

Do you?

Honestly I would expect that GPU to pump out a bit more. I would guess that the old Core 2 Quad might be slowing down the GPU a bit. At least that is what I found out after moving from my Core 2 to an i5-4670 CPU with the same HD6870.
1813) Message boards : Number crunching : Intel gpu not seen by BOINC (Message 1630858)
Posted 21 Jan 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
So it looks like 10.18.10.4061 could be suggested as a good driver with 10.18.10.3621 a fall back in the event any kind of issues crop up.
1814) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (94) Server Problems? (Message 1630843)
Posted 21 Jan 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
OK, who stepped on the Cricket. Both my links show no activity but downloads are working. Anyone know how to find the router they're using?

Since the switch to the colo the primary router for SETI@home is inr-211 with the backup being inr-210. If you look at an other ports on those routers, or any of the UCB routers actually, none of them are updating.
The network graphs are generated by the campus IS/IT department for their use & the use of their colo customers. Since it is an infrastructure monitoring tool is is most likely down because they disabled it for some purpose. Such as moving equipment or such.
IIRC it was down for about a day a few months ago as well.
1815) Message boards : Number crunching : Considering retiring my laptop with AMD Radeon GPU (Message 1630791)
Posted 21 Jan 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
You may wish to run AP on that GPU instead of MB work. NV GPU with CUDA app are most efficient at MB & ATI GPU with Open CL are most efficient at AP. At least that was the last news I heard on status of apps.
1816) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (94) Server Problems? (Message 1630651)
Posted 21 Jan 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
New Math...... $=Effort
Therefor 3X$=3XEffort

What that means is there STILL needs to be a sarcasm font.


I just use the tags for it <sarcasm></sarcasm>
1817) Message boards : Number crunching : Lots of invalid results? (Message 1629520)
Posted 18 Jan 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I am also getting a massive number of invalid tasks (322), since early December. The only thing I have done during that time is to install Windows 8.1 Pro., previously W7 Home Premium. may have also updated graphics driver. Currently running Catalyst 14.12 on an AMD Radeon HD7870.

Any thoughts.

Thanks,

Brett

Your MB invalids are mostly the tasks that are damaged in some fashion. However the AP on your GPU started Jan 2nd. Since then your GPU has increased it's error rate to the point you are now only returning about 30% valid work. My first guess would be overheating in your case. Given you were returning valid results with 14.12 for nearly a month before the errors started occurring.
1818) Message boards : Number crunching : Strange, utterly strange MB v7 run as MB v6 with MB v7 app.... (Message 1629095)
Posted 17 Jan 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
So something happened to the splitter parameters - on one tape only - between 16 Jan 2015, 20:26:26 UTC and 16 Jan 2015, 20:28:00 UTC?

The cricket graph dropped sharply around that time, and there are some posts in 'panic mode' about some odd figures on the SSP. But it's hard to build a coherent explanation from those scraps.

The oddness of the server status has happened 4 times now. With the current one at [As of 17 Jan 2015, 21:00:05 UTC] being the 4th. Each spike on the haveland status is an instance of the server status going wonky.
If it is related to the splitter processes I would guess we will see tasks generated within the time stamps of the server status odd numbers. Could it be related to the temp WU storage area getting full?
1819) Message boards : Number crunching : does it still matter? (Message 1629061)
Posted 17 Jan 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I imagine you are talking about the large credit paid out when ASICs are used at Bitcoin Utopia?
If you like to see the overall BOINC ranking without that project you could use one of the stat sites that does include them. Such as All Project Stats
http://www.allprojectstats.com/showuser.php?id=d38c713da14488cfddc50d371a1c0492

If you are just talking about projects that pay far to much credit such as Collatz & Primegrid. Then I don't think there are any sites that currently let you select which projects to include in your ranking.

I really only look at the ranking within a project. Since we can't compare project to project while everyone is using a different credit payout scheme.
1820) Message boards : Number crunching : Intel Integrated GPU not working (Message 1628894)
Posted 17 Jan 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have not installed any special IGPU drivers. Where could I get shose?
GPU caps viewer shows:

R344.75 (r343_00-311) / 9.18.13.4475 (11-12-2014)
OpenGL 4.4 (GeForce GTX 680/PCIe/SSE2 with 323 ext.)
OpenCL 1.1, GeForce GTX 580 compute units:16@1544MHz

No dongles or displays connected to the IGPU port.

https://downloadcenter.intel.com/
This would be a more direct link to the iGPU drivers.
https://downloadcenter.intel.com/SearchResult.aspx?lang=eng&ProdId=3712
You will probably need to extend your desktop for BOINC to detect the GPU. If you need help with that I did a quick procedure. Which you can find here.
1821) Message boards : Number crunching : Intel Integrated GPU not working (Message 1628884)
Posted 17 Jan 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Which iGPU driver release do you have installed? OpenCL 1.2 support was added to the driver at a specific point.
Do you have a monitor connected to the iGPU, a dummy plug, or do you have your desktop extended to it? One of those is normally required for BOINC to decided that the GPU is "active".
1822) Message boards : Number crunching : Upgrade from 1366 to skylake? (Message 1628699)
Posted 16 Jan 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I would wait for the lower cost of DDR4 alone. Then I would wait for the comparison of broadwell and skylake.
1823) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (94) Server Problems? (Message 1628586)
Posted 16 Jan 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Pretty screwy numbers on the SSP at this point, so something must have gone sideways. Not buying that the splitters somehow generated 3.6M MBs ready to send over night, and definitely not 100k APs. As if everything that was out in the field got lost track of and all of a sudden is back waiting to send?

Of course the splitters didn't do that overnight. They did it in the past hour. Along with the 90k AP.
1824) Message boards : Number crunching : Intel gpu not seen by BOINC (Message 1628465)
Posted 16 Jan 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I suspect that most of these issues arise from people running BOINC with whatever OEM drivers happen to have been current when their machine's factory software image was assembled. There isn't the same gaming pressure on consumers to upgrade drivers every month, needed or not, with Intel GPUs compared to the competition. Waiting for these users to 'report' details of their setups and any related problems is likely to be even more frustrating that is usual for BOINC-land: most reporting is done by wingmates more observant and knowledgeable about issues like validation.

I was lucky: my Dell-hosted Haswell (~September 2013) arrived with OEM drivers new enough to support OpenCL 1.2, and hence I bypassed the initial OpenCL 1.1 problems with that machine. Since then, it's always appeared to me that the 3rd. generation Core i5/i7 drivers (Ivy Bridge) have coalesced with the 4th. generation (Haswell) in a single combination package - though I've never explored whether the deployed contents have been identical for both installation paths. But I do have an Ivy Bridge i7 running as well, and I can test-run your suggested package on that.

Edit - I've downloaded 4061, in the form of win64_153332.zip from https://downloadcenter.intel.com/Detail_Desc.aspx?DwnldID=24593&lang=eng&ProdId=3711 - but that page, like all the others I've seen, claims joint compatibility with both Ivy Bridge and Haswell. I'm not convinced there's any differentiation.

I'll flush down my Einstein cache a bit, and give it a try either later this afternoon or tomorrow.

I looked at the inf for 3958 and saw it didn't include Haswell. Despite 4th gen core CPUs being listed in the "supported hardware" list. So I had assumed 4061 did not include Haswell either. However the inf for 4061 does in fact include Haswell.
It feels like they have two groups working on things & not talking to each other at this point.
1825) Message boards : Number crunching : Intel gpu not seen by BOINC (Message 1628425)
Posted 16 Jan 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Are any users with Ivy Bridge GPUs reporting issues with the current release 15.33.32.4061 or is it only confined to Haswell with release 15.36.7.64.3960/15.36.14.64.4080 so far? I have a feeling this may only be an issue with the drivers that include OpenCL 2.0 support.

I have 15.33.32.4061, The latest for Ivy Bridge & Ba Trail GPUs, on my Bay Trail GPU system, but only put it on last night. The GPU take ~22 hours for a task. So it will be some time before I will know if there are any issues & need to go back to an older driver, but I have a feeling it will be OK.
1826) Message boards : Number crunching : Intel gpu not seen by BOINC (Message 1628254)
Posted 16 Jan 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I happen to stumble upon release 15.33.30.64.3958. Which looks to be the last combined release for Ivy Bridge, Haswell, & Bay Trail in one package. With the current Haswell/Broadwell releases 15.36.14.64.4080 & I'm not sure if the 33 vs 36 designation is only a reference to hardware supported or if there are other differences. So the 3958 release may not work any better than the 3960 release.

Also the supported hardware listed on the drivers is not complete as compared to what is listed in the .inf for the driver. In release 15.33.30.64.3958 the .inf includes
; HSW Classic
iHSWGT1D   	= "Intel(R) HD Graphics"
iHSWGT1M    	= "Intel(R) HD Graphics"
iHSWGT15D    	= "Intel(R) HD Graphics 4400"
iHSWGT2D    	= "Intel(R) HD Graphics 4600"
iHSWGT2M    	= "Intel(R) HD Graphics 4600"


EDIT:
In picking the drivers apart release 15.33.30.64.3958 contains Intel_OpenCL_ICD64.dll v1.2.11.0 & 15.36.7.64.3960 contains Intel_OpenCL_ICD64.dll v2.0.0.0. The 2.0.0.0 version is also in 15.36.14.64.4080. This seems to be the primary OpenCL dll loaded for the GPU. So I am going to guess until Intel updates it we will continue to have problems with newer driver releases.
1827) Message boards : Number crunching : Intel gpu not seen by BOINC (Message 1628062)
Posted 15 Jan 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hmmmm, OpenCL CPU: Intel(R) Pentium(R) CPU G3220.
If you search for CPU G3220 you will not find a single other hit for that CPU.
Has anyone tried that CPU with SETI tasks before? All I've ever seen were i5 & i7 CPUs running the iGPU tasks.

The G3220 is listed as OpenCL 1.2 capable on the Intel HD Graphics driver download page:

https://downloadcenter.intel.com/Detail_Desc.aspx?DwnldID=24596&lang=eng

BUT: The driver version on that page (10.18.14.4080) has not yet been tested for compatibility with BOINC projects' OpenCL applications, like SETI and Einstein - it was only released three days ago.

Proceed at caution, with a small cache and checking frequently for acceptable validation rates - and please report back. Best of luck.

Edit: Do not use the 10.18.10.3960 driver shown as 'previously released' on the page retrieved by an Intel driver search for G3220 - that driver has definitely been reported as producing invalid results with current BOINC project science applications.

It looks like the Pentium G3xxx was added in the 3907 release. I have the x64 package I can toss up on my server if anyone needs it.
1828) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows 7: the first stab (Message 1628060)
Posted 15 Jan 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
One of the things in the current beta of Windows 10
-Traditional Calculator app has been removed
Well... that's just annoying.

Take your choice, there are tons of alternatives! Just for example:
http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/5-free-calculator-apps-happy-windows-calculator/
If all else fails, copy over calc.exe from a previous Windows, where is the problem? ;)

Well as someone that uses clean ghost images of OSs for testing it is rather annoying. Having to install software for a basic function after ghosting a system each time is rather annoying. Dropping calc into a folder in the storage partition might work, or Windows might be grumpy about it like it does sometimes.
It just seems really silly to me. It would be like removing notepad. Sure notepad++ has a lot more functionality, but when you just need a quick text editor to generate a quick .bat or something it is nice that it is there.
1829) Message boards : Number crunching : Question regarding Radeon R9 290 (Message 1628058)
Posted 15 Jan 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I didn't see any errors or invalids occur with Cat 14.12, but I did find that releases after 14.4 have increased CPU time. So I am going to be sticking with that for a while.
1830) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows 7: the first stab (Message 1627960)
Posted 15 Jan 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
They will have to do something if they want people to accept Windows 10. If you check out the market share for Windows 8 versions. They are not really taking off.
http://marketshare.hitslink.com/ > Operating Systems > Desktop Trend by Version

One of the things they're doing is cycling out 7. 8 will be three years behind it. I wonder what they'll call the one after 10.

I suppose no one will miss Vista much. I'm typing this on Vista, but I'm not in love with it.

Windows versions seem to be kind of like Star Trek movies. They alternate good and bad.

One of the things in the current beta of Windows 10
-Traditional Calculator app has been removed
Well... that's just annoying.
1831) Message boards : Number crunching : What Happened to the SETI Certificates of Computation? (Message 1627958)
Posted 15 Jan 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I didn't find any problems generating any of the certificates. With or without the classic information or the images versions.
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/cert_print.php

http://www.hal6000.com/seti/images/seti_cert.png
1832) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows 7: the first stab (Message 1627649)
Posted 14 Jan 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
And for those interested when other OS or apps have their support end.
http://support.microsoft.com/gp/lifeselect
1833) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows 7: the first stab (Message 1627591)
Posted 14 Jan 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
They will have to do something if they want people to accept Windows 10. If you check out the market share for Windows 8 versions. They are not really taking off.
http://marketshare.hitslink.com/ > Operating Systems > Desktop Trend by Version
1834) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (94) Server Problems? (Message 1627588)
Posted 14 Jan 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Oh well. There doesn't appear to be any change in the APs. The creation rate is still in the basement even when there are files to split. On the other front, there is still the issue where the server will send CPU APs even if the GPUs are Out of work.

When I checked the SSP about an hour ago, there were 2 AP splitters munching away and about 300 ready to send. Now all the AP tapes are done (although the 2 splitters still show running) and RTS is 0.

Depending on how full the temp WU storage area is at the moment. We may or may not get more soon.
1835) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (94) Server Problems? (Message 1626817)
Posted 12 Jan 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Oh no, more data has been loaded! Whatever shall we do now...


Abort, Retry, Ignore, Fail?

Yes
1836) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (94) Server Problems? (Message 1626805)
Posted 12 Jan 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Oh no, more data has been loaded! Whatever shall we do now...
1837) Message boards : Number crunching : Dell PowerEdge 1950 (Message 1626202)
Posted 10 Jan 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
With this kind of PCIe extension you could use an external PSU & have the cards outside the servers. You could be fancy and put them in a rack mounted shelf or just lay them on top of the servers I suppose.
1838) Message boards : Number crunching : Once Upon A Time! (Message 1625926)
Posted 9 Jan 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
It was mentioned that the lack of disk space is what was slowing down splitting not x number of splitters processing one data set.


So do we need to start a new funding program to get more disk space?

They were planning to increase the allotted area of the drive array for WU storage. This may or may not have happened yet. The information was received 3rd hand in the Panic thread.


From what I understood from Matt's message (and others) was that the Main Database is still hurting from the crash awhile back. It is currently rebuilding it's self but needs space, and time, to do it and it's fighting for space with the new WU's. Lucky they have a backup to compare the two sets of data.

The crash a few hours ago I'm sure was caused by the splitters. S@H took a big jump in splitting of 80k in a short time, then the system locked up. Don't know what happened there for sure.

I don't imagine the disk array is near full. It's just a matter of the amount of space allocated to the temp WU storage. If the databases are on the same array they would be in different partitions. At least I would hope so.
This is the message I was referencing. http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=76430&postid=1625067#1625067
1839) Message boards : Number crunching : Once Upon A Time! (Message 1625915)
Posted 9 Jan 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
It was mentioned that the lack of disk space is what was slowing down splitting not x number of splitters processing one data set.


So do we need to start a new funding program to get more disk space?

They were planning to increase the allotted area of the drive array for WU storage. This may or may not have happened yet. The information was received 3rd hand in the Panic thread.
1840) Message boards : Number crunching : Dell PowerEdge 1950 (Message 1625822)
Posted 9 Jan 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Yes, I know where that image came from. I also know what you said in your above post, http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=76467&postid=1625305
Now you know what he did. His post does say what he did, "..but by testing several mobo's, graphic cards etc.."
He just failed to mention what type of mobo's he was testing...


I get it, sorry. I was trying to prevent confusion for anyone else who might come along and read the thread.

Another thing I've been toying with is maybe getting an external PCIe expansion box but now we're suddenly going from a couple of free servers and couple of hundred pounds for some extra processing power to a couple of thousands of pounds for a PCIe expansion bay (unless someone has one to donate to me :) ) and then more still for the graphics cards...

I still think, as I mentioned earlier, that using a PCIe x8 to x16 cable & removing one of the risers is your best bet. One of those adapters should only get you back £5-15. Then if you can't get the card to work in the server you could put it in one of your current machines to upgrade it?
1841) Message boards : Number crunching : Once Upon A Time! (Message 1625784)
Posted 9 Jan 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
It was mentioned that the lack of disk space is what was slowing down splitting not x number of splitters processing one data set.
1842) Message boards : Number crunching : Dell PowerEdge 1950 (Message 1625544)
Posted 8 Jan 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The link they gave you says quite clearly that it's a 16 slot card.


Sorry, I meant if the server has a x16 or an x8 (more likely) riser, I understand the card is a x16 hence it being a big if.

The specs from I linked to state they are PCIe x8 or PCI-X slots.
1843) Message boards : Number crunching : Dell PowerEdge 1950 (Message 1625130)
Posted 7 Jan 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Yep, it really doesn't look as if there's room for much more than a simple fibre card or NIC.

Anyone know of a card that might work?

I think the 2nd concern would be power. PCIe x4 and x8 slots are, per spec, regulated to a maximum of 25w.
1844) Message boards : News : Own a piece of SETI history. (Message 1625124)
Posted 7 Jan 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
When I click this link, there is nothing on the website. If no items are available, can the message be removed?

The auctions are long over. You can use the link that has been posted a few times to see the finished items if you would like.
http://www.ebay.com/sch/setiathomecal/m.html?LH_Complete=1&LH_Sold=1&rt=nc
1845) Message boards : Number crunching : Dell PowerEdge 1950 (Message 1625103)
Posted 7 Jan 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Watch these 2 videos;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpx1D2wyZ2Y

Near the end of this one, time 11:15
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbOhYwVvNNc

Of course, there appear to be at least 3 different 1950s.
But, the rear looks the same on the ones I've seen.

That is defiantly an additional NIC in that slot & an x8 slot at that.
Looking at the rear of the unit you can see the DRAC NIC port below the left slot and the two built in NICs below the right slot just to the right of the USB ports.

Also I found the spec sheet for the 3rd gen systems. They also only have x8 slots it seems.
1846) Message boards : Number crunching : Dell PowerEdge 1950 (Message 1625082)
Posted 7 Jan 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The PCIe risers in my two 1950s are only x8 slots. Which kind of makes installing GPUs a bit of an issue. The right hand riser could be removed and a x8 to x16 cable could be used to fit 1 GPU in the system if it were small enough. IIRC Mine are Generation II 1950s. The Generation III 1950s may have x16 slots, but I can't verify that.
I don't know what this talk about the NICs being on the riser is about, but the dual GB NICs are built into the MB. Maybe someone was looking at optional NICs installed in a system?
1847) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (94) Server Problems? (Message 1624885)
Posted 7 Jan 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Getting "no tasks available" again.

This truly sucks.

I'm going to be unPC for a moment: Why the Hell can't they fix this? Are they incompetent? They didn't used to be. Do they no longer care? SETI used to have seemingly much worse problems in the not-too-distant past that were fixed.

The colo facility seems to be disintegrating, at least from what I see; this is the worst since the move there, and it's NOT improving.

Is it unfair of me to complain about a seeming lack of effort by staff? If that isn't it, why can't we be given some solid info as to what (they think) the real problem(s) is (are)? I understand they in fact owe us poor shlubs doing the crunching nothing in the final analysis, but common human decency should require them to be more forthcoming, especially with unpaid volunteers who do the work that the project needs done.

/rant (for now)

The "staff" are basically unpaid volunteers as well if you will remember.
1848) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (94) Server Problems? (Message 1624664)
Posted 7 Jan 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
One might wonder why they still haven't started the AP assimilators? It's as of now 477,099 AP Workunits waiting for assimilation.

It's been several Tuesday outages since the DB was fixed, but still no assimilation of AP WU's. Maybe the DB isn't working as it should yet, and until it does, they will not allow the WU's to be assimilated.

I was thinking this was part of a stress test for the new data base.

Until the assimilators start no data is going into the AP science db.
sah_assimilator/ap_assimilator : Takes scientific data from validated results and puts them in the SETI@home (or Astropulse) database for later analysis.
1849) Message boards : Number crunching : Android errors (Message 1624335)
Posted 6 Jan 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have the same issue on my MotoX (1st Gen). Every WU ends up computing error. One thing i do notice is when viewing the tasks it seems to be pausing, but it's only briefly and does hit the log.

Is there a way to get the log to report what the error is?

Sometimes the stderr_txt from the error results contains some useful info.
1850) Message boards : Number crunching : Does anyone have an Asus Rog series Mars dual 760 video card? (Message 1624169)
Posted 6 Jan 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Does anyone ever think about the implications of the aliens finding out that we mostly used GAMING equipment to find them?

This 3dfx commercial is nearly 20 years old, but I think it goes along with what you are thinking.
http://youtu.be/DmaYH1F6kho
1851) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (94) Server Problems? (Message 1623766)
Posted 5 Jan 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Is it just me or now when we get at the CPU 100 WUs limit, the server issues and enforces the limit also for GPU tasks, though those are well far from the limit?

Happening on both PCs of mine under BOINC 6.10.55 (but this problem seems server side, though it may be triggered by a non up-to-date answer from the client)...

In case it is a general problem, in the meantime:
Aborting (urghh...) CPU task to make room for GPU tasks (with all bad consequences in terms of penalties and for the whole system)?
Rescheduling now almost necessary (added urghhh...)?

Cheers,

Sleepy

My host 6727898 Seems to be staying at its limit of 100 CPU + 100 GPU tasks.
1852) Message boards : Number crunching : Another 'Sorry' thread (should we sticky one?) (Message 1623664)
Posted 5 Jan 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
It automagically merged the host and abandoned the taks. All good now.


Thanks again.


This is what appears to have happened with Hermes. I was a bit confused when HAL9000 pointed out they'd been abandoned as I hadn't abandoned them, just deleted them from the machine.

So they'll be re-assigned in a timely fashion, good. All's well that ends well then?

I think the task status of "Abandoned" is a server side abort vs when you select Abort from the client the task status will be "Aborted by user".
however knowing BOINC there could be 37 different triggers for those task status.
1853) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (94) Server Problems? (Message 1623286)
Posted 4 Jan 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Nom, nom, nom....
While they last, which will not be for long this time.

Here I am getting ready to switch my fastest machines to run mostly on their backup projects & then we get all of these new AP tasks. That is rather inconvenient.
I mean... Yay! New AP work!
1854) Message boards : Number crunching : Another 'Sorry' thread (should we sticky one?) (Message 1623285)
Posted 4 Jan 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I think there is a slight difference between aborting (manually or automatic) tasks and leaving them hanging "in progress". In the former case they are reassigned to another system in a timely fashion. In the latter case they need to time out, which takes considerable time.

I created one of those "in progress" hanging tasks myself by destroying a test VM before cleaning out the task list. Is there any way to abort that or is it better to just wait?

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/workunit.php?wuid=1657323561

You could create a new VM with the same configuration and machine name. Then merge the two hosts. Once merged the new host would get the old task as a resend. Which could then be aborted.
Or you can just let it time out. Which is normally what I do. As the merging of hosts is never guaranteed.
1855) Message boards : Number crunching : NVIDIA GeForce7950GTX Question (Message 1622838)
Posted 3 Jan 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
(Troll warning) You can find nVidia 8400 card with 256 MB of memory pretty cheap these days. (Troll warning)

Will they fit in his Laptop?

Claggy

There is always an external PCIe option.
1856) Message boards : Number crunching : Another 'Sorry' thread (should we sticky one?) (Message 1622837)
Posted 3 Jan 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
What is there to be sorry about? The previous work was flagged as Abandoned.
Looks like all of that work has already gone out to a 3rd host to be processed with a few already returning their results.
1857) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (94) Server Problems? (Message 1622799)
Posted 3 Jan 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
DG, I would estimate that I am seeing credits at about 65-75% of pre-V7 numbers, your observations seem in line with that.


Hopefully that means the analysis of AP7 jobs is being done more efficiently than AP6.

:D G

Given that we are not longer spending lots of CPU cycles performing blanking. I would imagine the efficiency has gone up.
The credit for non-blanked AP tasks still doesn't match that of APv6, but I didn't have enough in the last batch of tapes to be able to tell if it is still rising like it did at Beta.
1858) Message boards : Number crunching : My RAC (Message 1622651)
Posted 3 Jan 2015 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
BOINC Manger generates the graph from your statistics_PROJECT.xml file. In the case of SETI@ home it would be statistics_setiathome.berkeley.edu.xml. Sometimes that file can get damaged, or at least BOINC thinks it is, and a new one is generated. You can copy or backup the file on a semi regular basis to prevent much lost in the future.
Also if you wanted to you could kind of rebuild the past few days worth of stat data from the external stat sites, but some of the data would have to be guesstimated.
1859) Message boards : Number crunching : Making two BOINC projects play nice together (Message 1621382)
Posted 31 Dec 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Correct me if I am wrong, but if you request 10 days of work on each of your projects, you could have up to 40 days of work in your system. With that much work you will be hitting deadlines and the work will most likely not be done the way you want. If you want to keep a bunch of work on hand, use a 2-3 day limit on your projects. I only run a single days worth of work and I sometimes find I have more work in my system than I want. With backup projects, it is rare to run out of work and have your system go cold. You might not always be crunching the balance you want, but it will work out over time.

When you specify the amount of work for BOINC to cache it is the total number of days of work to cache. Not per project. Cache settings of 5 days + 5 days would would be 10 days of total work if you were running 1 project or 50.
1860) Message boards : Number crunching : Welcome to the 15 year Club (Message 1619938)
Posted 29 Dec 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
According to Boinc/Seti, my 15yrs is up next October. But I recently found, in my Outlook archives, the 1st email newsletter sent out on the 19th December 1999, so I guess I'm 15 today, yaay! ;-)

P.


that date should read 29th December 1999 ;-)

how do you edit msgs after posting?

P.

Within an hour of posting a message there is an EDIT button located on the post you made.
1861) Message boards : Number crunching : Boincstats.com (Message 1619468)
Posted 27 Dec 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
My Best ten days BOINC wide and for each project are fine for me. The last 40 days chart I lost faith in a long time ago. It will at random reset like you are seeing.

EDIT: I did just notice that I seem to have the wrong info in my signature graphic now.
1862) Message boards : Number crunching : Excessive Computation on Work Unit (Message 1619157)
Posted 26 Dec 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
It looks like your wingmate has returned their result. So the WU is probably not damaged on the server.
Something seems to have gone wonky in processing it on your system somewhere. So continuing on its current course would not be fruitful. You can abort it if you would like, or there are ways of making BOINC restart processing on the task.

I don't really concern myself with 1 error every now & then. I would just make note of if in case it start to happen more often or on a regular basis.
1863) Message boards : Number crunching : NativeBOINC: network access from other computer (Message 1618941)
Posted 26 Dec 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
To make it even weirder. The wireless device will have a connection to the internet & several of the other the wired systems. Normally just not the host I happen to be on at the moment.

Some wireless access points by default are configured with Client Isolation enabled. This means that wireless systems cannot talk directly to each other. Check your access point configuration for that.

Regards, Jan

AP isolation defaults to disabled on mine. I would imagine if that was enabled it would tend to cause a more permanent inability to connect to the system rather than intermittent.
It's just an old cheap Cisco/Linksys E2000 wireless router I'm using just for an AP & extra GB ports. I originally only bought it so I could do WiFi calling with my cell. So I wasn't worried about having a great AP. I know the issues I have with it and work around them for now.
1864) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (93) Server Problems? (Message 1618933)
Posted 26 Dec 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
OK, AP cache still growing. As of now I have 60 GPU AP's, and 31 CPU AP's.
Looking good so far...

Things do look good on the AP front. I set my secondary GPU projects to NNT & set them to get CPU & GPU work before I left for my sisters place this morning. Looks like they finished the secondary project tasks & have been pulling down AP tasks all day. The two systems have ~170 total tasks each. I imagine they will be at their limit of 200 by Saturday.
1865) Message boards : Number crunching : NativeBOINC: network access from other computer (Message 1618759)
Posted 25 Dec 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
With my wireless devices sometimes I have to send a packet from each one to the other before they will actually talk to one another. I'll normally just run ping address -t on both ends until I see responses.


That is a symptom I have seen before. If you have a chance to run a tcpdump or other network traffic analysis tool you will see that the device is not responding to ARP requests. If that is the case, then this has nothing to do with BOINC, but would be purely a bug in the IP stack of the device.


Regards, Jan

To make it even weirder. The wireless device will have a connection to the internet & several of the other the wired systems. Normally just not the host I happen to be on at the moment. As I mentioned I am pretty sure it is an issue with the hardware in between. Given my one notebook, I take back & forth to work sometimes, doesn't present this same issue on my work network.
1866) Message boards : Number crunching : NativeBOINC: network access from other computer (Message 1618380)
Posted 24 Dec 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I've had to do that when trying to connect to my notebook when it is on the wireless. I think it is just something in the home AP hardware that goes wonky. As I don't see this kind of issue at work with the wireless. Which is why I'm planning on upgrading to an Cisco WAP561 in the near future.
1867) Message boards : Number crunching : NativeBOINC: network access from other computer (Message 1618282)
Posted 24 Dec 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
That is rather odd. I just tested with my Galaxy S4 & the 6.10.48 Manager I use with success.
I only had one issue. With my wireless devices sometimes I have to send a packet from each one to the other before they will actually talk to one another. I'll normally just run ping address -t on both ends until I see responses.

I have seen the wrong password message when connecting to hosts before with manager. Even with connecting back to the local host.
1868) Message boards : Number crunching : NEON app on Android (Message 1618024)
Posted 24 Dec 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Once you have completed the required 11 tasks from each app. Then the server will know which app runs best on your hardware. Once it know this. Then it will primary send you work for the best app.
1869) Message boards : Number crunching : How to update CPU and graphics details (Message 1617505)
Posted 22 Dec 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The information is updated each time your host contacts the server.
1870) Message boards : Number crunching : PC Matic vs Kaspersky. (Message 1616046)
Posted 19 Dec 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Does this company give the source that ranks them higher?
Personally I've never even heard of that software. I don't seem to find it on any AV software comparison lists either.
Generally TV ads for antivirus/malware I put in the same classification as pop-up ads. Not worth my time.

I find it is best to check several sources for something & if the product being evaluated is consistently ranked positively. Then it is probably safe to believe them..

As a general rule. Anything that advertises "AS SEEN ON TV" is probably not worth your time.
http://www.complaintslist.com/computer-software/pc-matic/
1871) Message boards : Number crunching : Imaginary work available (Message 1615959)
Posted 18 Dec 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
[quote]When I was testing that in your thread about AP work fetch issues I didn't have that occur. I was getting GPU & CPU work intermixed.

Gee, so is that why you went silent when I told you to increase the FLOP setting? Every machine I have will try to fill the CPU cache first. Others experience the Same affect. Why are yours different? I just woke up to find my Win 8 machine had downloaded 17 CPU APs and Zero GPU APs even though it was set for both. Why do you suppose that happened? Of course, I had the server send them back as GPU tasks 'cause I have dozens of CPU VLARs.

Well I was ready to do more testing with the flop values from your system. However I found it rather hard to do any AP work fetch testing once the servers went to bits a few days later. When the servers return to some sort of normal working state testing can resume. Probably after the holidays when things are less busy for me again.

Prior to that I did test MB work fetch.
1872) Message boards : Number crunching : Imaginary work available (Message 1615956)
Posted 18 Dec 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I am having no problems getting MB work. MY machines that do MB are bouncing off their limits actually. Getting new work each time they upload completed work.

Try letting one run out of GPU tasks and see what happens. 2 of my machines are not having any trouble because they didn't run out of GPU tasks. The one that did run out now can't receive any GPU work because the server stops trying to send it GPU work after a couple tries. You can get all the CPU work you can handle, the Server is set to send CPU over GPU work. It will send work that could go to the GPUs to the CPUs instead. One request netted 17 tasks that could have gone to the GPUs, but the server sent them to the CPUs instead even though the GPUs were empty.

The Perfect Storm comes to mind...

When I was testing that in your thread about AP work fetch issues I didn't have that occur. I was getting GPU & CPU work intermixed.
1873) Message boards : Number crunching : Imaginary work available (Message 1615939)
Posted 18 Dec 2014 by Profile HAL9000
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I am having no problems getting MB work. MY machines that do MB are bouncing off their limits actually. Getting new work each time they upload completed work.
1874) Message boards : News : Own a piece of SETI history. (Message 1615938)
Posted 18 Dec 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Wow! I had thought these were long gone.

I wonder if one of the computing museums would be interested in having these for display. Perhaps they would be able to collect them if someone wanted to bid on them & then donate them to such a museum.
1875) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (93) Server Problems? (Message 1615831)
Posted 18 Dec 2014 by Profile HAL9000
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Still pathetic delivery of AP WU's. Something is not right with the AP part of SETI.

Molasses flows like water, compared to AP delivery....

On average I'm getting about 1 per hour... across ~30 machines.
1876) Message boards : News : Database Rebuild Status update. (Message 1615412)
Posted 17 Dec 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
It will also be interesting to see how the computing power changes when everyone gets new computer for Christmas and starts runnning 2 compters, and a faster one (at least for awhile)

There are people that only run 2 computers? I only have around 30 or so. I didn't that that was very many.
1877) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (93) Server Problems? (Message 1614749)
Posted 16 Dec 2014 by Profile HAL9000
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Well, I must say that the production rate of new AP's is rather pathetic. I can just about keep my GPU fed with new tasks.

Same as before the last database outage. It was just as pathetic then.

My caches look to be slowly building. Getting 2 or 3 per request.
1878) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (93) Server Problems? (Message 1614669)
Posted 16 Dec 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
AP Assimilators, as well as the Fix AP Assimilators, are all still down.

Interestingly, even though they are shown as disabled, tasks that I reported just two hours ago still validated. So... they are running, they just aren't showing that they are.

The validators (both v6 and v7) are showing as running - it's just the assimilators which are down.

I always imagine they have their reasons for doing what they do. Sometimes that reason could be someone forgot to turn something on.
It is probably something more reasonable. Like wanting to make sure everything is working before committing the results to the db.
1879) Message boards : Number crunching : Electricity usage (Message 1614665)
Posted 16 Dec 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thank you both for the replies. So, I guess just running my cpu apps I save electricity and have a cooler house also. I am sure I will need to turn on the heat in the house at one point, but so far it is 580, 2x770 and 2x780's are keeping me warm.

Hmmm... if it is 580º (ºK, ºC, or ºF) you might want to turn something down a little. :P
If it were to get to warm you could try not crunching on one of the GPUs in each system to see if that lowers the room temps enough for you.

Hal9000, I think Miklos means Video cards, not temps, I have a 580 in My PC, I'd run My 570 too, but the motherboard power regulators are shot and can't do more than what I'm running now, after Dec 31st I'll be able to fix that when I get a new case.

I guess sometimes being silly just isn't worth it for some people...
1880) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (93) Server Problems? (Message 1614309)
Posted 15 Dec 2014 by Profile HAL9000
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But all other AP programs are disabled, so no validators, assimilators or splitters running.

They will come online any year now :-)

I would hazard a guess that the server coming online is about the time Matt & Jeff started their looking over of the restored bits.
1881) Message boards : Number crunching : Electricity usage (Message 1614230)
Posted 15 Dec 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thank you both for the replies. So, I guess just running my cpu apps I save electricity and have a cooler house also. I am sure I will need to turn on the heat in the house at one point, but so far it is 580, 2x770 and 2x780's are keeping me warm.

Hmmm... if it is 580º (ºK, ºC, or ºF) you might want to turn something down a little. :P
If it were to get to warm you could try not crunching on one of the GPUs in each system to see if that lowers the room temps enough for you.
1882) Message boards : Number crunching : Electricity usage (Message 1614192)
Posted 15 Dec 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I wonder if the electricity use by the computers is the same or less when not using the gpu cards? It sure produces almost no feel able heat when the gpu programs are shut down.

Thanks to the power saving innovations the power used when idle is much much less then when fully utilized.
1883) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (93) Server Problems? (Message 1613854)
Posted 14 Dec 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have only VLARs on CPU but also enough tasks for my GPU.

The point I was trying to make is that this might be one of the few cases where some careful micro-management of a single computer might be enough to help the smooth running of the project as a whole. But that one machine can only help out once every two or three days, because it takes that much time to burn off the excess cache. And the feeder gets polluted again much quicker than that - so having more volunteers to help with the process would be beneficial.

Most of my machines are CPU only. They are not exactly fast, but slurp up the overrun of VLAR tasks happily.
1884) Message boards : Technical News : AP database is back down (Message 1613177)
Posted 13 Dec 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thanks for the update

It seems the computer gods have been angered by something recently. Hopefully they will relax soon & give you guys some peace.
1885) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (93) Server Problems? (Message 1612942)
Posted 12 Dec 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

Did AP ever come back up when everything else was shut down? If it wasn't I would guess someone just forgot to start it back up.



Yes, if you mean after the normal project Tuesday turndown. AP briefly came back up and the site was extremely slow for a couple of hours as usual. When I came back to look at the router outbound loading and server stats, I noticed the AP generation was zero and then noticed the AP servers and processes were disabled.

Keith

No I'm referring to yesterday when everything except the fora were off.
1886) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (93) Server Problems? (Message 1612924)
Posted 12 Dec 2014 by Profile HAL9000
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You guys are too much. We had a massive storm pass thru. So good thing someone shut things down as a preventive measure or would you like to deal with other server failures.
There where also power outages in the Bay Area.

Give the guys a break. No matter what they do, it is never the right thing.

End rant!


[TROLL]
Yes. Storm. I know it.

Just wondering how only APv7 -services were shut down? Not the servers, like synergy. It is still running 'scheduling server' and 'scheduler process'. But not 'ap assimilator X' -service. Or server georgem.

Strange storm. Shutting down services, not servers.
[/TROLL]

I have never, ever, blamed S@H staff about these breakdowns (I blame funding). They do work as hard as possible they can do.

I respect them. Working long hours.

Respect.

Did AP ever come back up when everything else was shut down? If it wasn't I would guess someone just forgot to start it back up.
1887) Message boards : Number crunching : Astropulse crashes; task list says "computation error" (Message 1612844)
Posted 12 Dec 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Just to clear something up, as I was talking about the Omega drivers. There aren't downloaded from that Omegadrivers.net, but it's the official name of the Catalyst 14.12 drivers that you can get from the AMD site.

Name	      File Size    Revision Number	Release Date
Catalyst        288 MB	    Omega (14.12) 	12/9/2014
Software Suite


It is very probable that AMD worked together with the guys from www.omegadrivers.net to get this end result, also because of the addition of AMD Gaming Evolved (the Raptr app I mentioned).

For the number crunchers among us, who wonder about the version number:
12/12/2014 17:05:41 | | CAL: ATI GPU 0: AMD Radeon HD 7850/7870 series (Pitcairn) (CAL version 1.4.1848, 2048MB, 2008MB available, 6400 GFLOPS peak)
12/12/2014 17:05:41 | | OpenCL: AMD/ATI GPU 0: AMD Radeon HD 7850/7870 series (Pitcairn) (driver version 1642.5 (VM), device version OpenCL 1.2 AMD-APP (1642.5), 2048MB, 2008MB available, 6400 GFLOPS peak)

I normally just like to use version numbers.
1888) Message boards : Number crunching : Question regarding graphics cards and picking workunits (Message 1612801)
Posted 12 Dec 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

Yes it is exactly that simple if that is what you would like to do. There is a way to do it in the cc_config.xml using <exclude_gpu>, but if you are not going to run an app. Why have it on the system(s)?



Thanks HAL. Would it be wise to uninstall and reinstall Lunatics if I am looking to remove the MB app for NVIDIA? Maybe an obvious question.

I think you can just rerun it & select the new app combination you like. Then the app_info.xml will be overwritten by a new one.
It has been a while since I played around with the installer. As I normally just extract the apps and do things manually these days.
1889) Message boards : Number crunching : Question regarding graphics cards and picking workunits (Message 1612552)
Posted 12 Dec 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hey Everyone,

My primary SETI rig has an NVIDIA GeForce GTX 650 Ti as well as an AMD Radeon HD 7700 series.

My AMD card produces 99% valid results, even though it is a little slower. My GTX 650 unfortunately only yields about 85% valid results, and on a bad day can really churn out a lot of invalid results. (Right now, there are 26 invalids.)

Over time, I have posted several times looking for advice on how to reduce the invalid results from my NVIDIA card, but not much seems to help. I have two GTX 650 cards, and they both don't do so well, which leads me to believe that they are just not a perfect match for my system.

Onto my point; the GTX 650 card DOES however produce 99% valid AP work units. Inside of the SETI preferences, you can tell a BOINC whether or not to use NVIDIA on a particular machine. I would like to use my NVIDIA card, however I would like to ONLY do AP work units with this card.

If not, I am unfortunately considering doing Einstein with my NVIDIA card, since during the SETI break I was producing valid NVIDIA Einstein results as well. (What the heck is it about MB that my NVIDIA dislikes? :)

Is it possible to only run AP tasks with the NVIDIA card? Would it be as simple as not selecting MB for NVIDIA during the lunatics installer?

Thanks to anyone who may have some insight.

Yes it is exactly that simple if that is what you would like to do. There is a way to do it in the cc_config.xml using <exclude_gpu>, but if you are not going to run an app. Why have it on the system(s)?
1890) Message boards : Number crunching : To much of a good thing. (heat) (Message 1612498)
Posted 11 Dec 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I connected to Beta with my MAC-Pro and I am getting APs. The problem is I have both GPUs running at the same time and it's generating a bunch of heat. The fan is cranking 1900 RPMs and the GPU's are causing the CPU's to run almost 200F. That's a little closer to the edge than I think it should run and my best idea is run with only one GPU. I know how to cut back on processor cores but does anybody know how to limit the number of GPU's?

Using the cc_config.xml you can limit BOINC to only use 1 of your GPUs or something along those lines if you would like.
1891) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (93) Server Problems? (Message 1612299)
Posted 11 Dec 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Geeze, could someone put a bunsen burner under those AP splitters. The creation rate is pathetic. It's almost impossible to build any appreciable AP GPU cache.

My CPU AP systems have been able to fill their cache, but it looks like GPU AP cache isn't making much headway.
1892) Message boards : Technical News : I was right... (Nov 24, 2014) (Message 1612015)
Posted 11 Dec 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Update: I went to check the status of the BCU project, and they were running, not sure how or why it took a while to get the CDU/CPU projects in and running, but its working. I set the BCU up on my main computer, and got a computational error when I first started it. I changed my settings to allow sgminer, updated the project, and that computational error went away, then reset the settings back to sgminer - no.
I only have a guess that that initial sgminer is some sort of benchmarking.
What is sgminer? The mystery question!

Well if you have a loot on the project's Applications page it tells you exactly what the apps are. Under sgminer you will see opencl_ati_100. From that it should give you a good hint as to what the application is.
It looks like you may still have cgminer enabled for at least open of your machines. Which are going to error out. Unless you do happen to have the ASIC hardware to run the app.
1893) Message boards : Number crunching : remaining AP v6s (Message 1611848)
Posted 10 Dec 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Well I have one of the few remaining. So you can monitor it I suppose.
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/results.php?hostid=6442505&offset=0&show_names=0&state=0&appid=12
1894) Message boards : Number crunching : CLOSED** SETI/BOINC Milestones [ v2.0 ] - XXVIII **CLOSED (Message 1611844)
Posted 10 Dec 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I finally reached the 4,000,000 Cobblestone mark -whew! Not bragging, just noting it was a personal goal for me.

Good job & this IS the place for bragging. If you feel so inclined.
1895) Message boards : Number crunching : A Question for the informed (Message 1611756)
Posted 10 Dec 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Up until late last night, after the latest outage, my system had around 200 tasks, 100 cpu & 100 gpu, in common with most folk. Now I have 100 cpu and only 18 gpu tasks. When Boinc requests new tasks (whilst there are still 18 gpu tasks left) it only requests cpu tasks, and get's the usual "The computer has reached a limit on tasks in progress" So how come I can't get a full 100 gpu tasks as I used to?

explanations in laymans terms please ;-)

P.

Does your GPU have work from one of the other projects you are working on currently?


No, I had 2 backups during Seti's shutdown, but they no longer have wu's and are suspended. |||||||||Funnily, I've just collected more wu's from Seti, and now have 136 tasks, presumably 100 cpu & 36 gpu, go figure ;-)

P.

There were some observations that the server would fill up some machines, that had high cache settings, with CPU work before downloading GPU work. However since you stated your client was not making a request for GPU work that wouldn't be the issue for you.
There are some work fetch debug flags for the cc_config.xml that can be enabled if you want to try & troubleshoot if you continue to have problems.
1896) Message boards : Number crunching : AP V7 (Message 1611755)
Posted 10 Dec 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Now we can continue to gripe about discuss the credit from AP v7 tasks.
1897) Message boards : Number crunching : Comp Errors with New Intel Drivers - Beware (Message 1611752)
Posted 10 Dec 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have the same problem. I try to find an older driver.

I have several older versions archived for Windows 7 x64. When I get home from work today I may just put them all on my web server. So that SETI@home users have access to them. Since Intel just pulls older releases.
1898) Message boards : Number crunching : Long Seti@home v7.7.03 units (not Astropulse) on AMD GPU - don't finish? (Message 1611745)
Posted 10 Dec 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Besides the information Tbar mentioned.
The only takes you have been completing are VHAR tasks, AKA shorties.

If you want to stay with the stock apps. There are tuning commands that can be added to the configuration txt file that may help. There should also be a readme in your SETI@home project folder with the tuning commands IIRC.

Another option is to use the Lunatics installer. Then you could select only AP for the GPU. Then MB & AP for the CPU if you wanted.
1899) Message boards : Number crunching : A Question for the informed (Message 1611743)
Posted 10 Dec 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Up until late last night, after the latest outage, my system had around 200 tasks, 100 cpu & 100 gpu, in common with most folk. Now I have 100 cpu and only 18 gpu tasks. When Boinc requests new tasks (whilst there are still 18 gpu tasks left) it only requests cpu tasks, and get's the usual "The computer has reached a limit on tasks in progress" So how come I can't get a full 100 gpu tasks as I used to?

explanations in laymans terms please ;-)

P.

Does your GPU have work from one of the other projects you are working on currently?
1900) Message boards : Number crunching : Cross-Project Statistics (Message 1611741)
Posted 10 Dec 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Confirmed for me, too. Installed Chrome, and the link from SETI's account page works fine. I don't want to keep Chrome, so can anyone help with what needs to be done to get IE to work? It worked fine before SETI ran out of work, if that helps narrow it down.

Have you emptied your cache? I was recently having a problem viewing anything at free-dc on my machine at work until I did so.
1901) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (93) Server Problems? (Message 1611368)
Posted 9 Dec 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Woohoo!! My RAC is climbing again! Just a quick question, will everything be alright with Bruno?

Bruno has been or is going to be replace with a spare machine they acquired.
1902) Message boards : Number crunching : "boincteams.com" link - website admins needed (Message 1611364)
Posted 9 Dec 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I mentioned that back in October when some website fixes were being done, but as you can see it has not yet been changed.
1903) Message boards : News : Database Rebuild Status update. (Message 1611125)
Posted 9 Dec 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Ugh, these people have the luxury to only work when the sun is up? Bah!

When I'm at work at 8am this time of year at the Northern Hemisphere, there's not been a sun in my life yet! If it wasn't dreary as today, it usually is down as well when I go back home at 4.45pm. I'll have to wait till end-of-January to be able to see the sun still at the end of the day.

;-)


Sunrise Tuesday 9th : 9:45am, Sundown Tuesday 9th: 2:55pm. Length of the day: 5 h 10 min.

And I wonder why people think that us Finns are grumpy people ;)

Everything I know about Finland I learned from http://satwcomic.com/
1904) Message boards : Number crunching : PC suddenly shuts down (Message 1610961)
Posted 8 Dec 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Can dried out paste smell like it's burnt? I could smell something and I can't see anything on the motherboard.

Sometimes a build of dust will have a burnt like smell to it.
1905) Message boards : News : Astropulse database fix is complete. (Message 1610945)
Posted 8 Dec 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Validators and assimilators and splitters are back on. New Astropulse work should be flowing soon.

Good news! Let's hope everything decides to behave for the rest of the year.
1906) Message boards : Number crunching : Electricity usage (Message 1610910)
Posted 8 Dec 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
When it is 57 outside, with all my doors and windows totally open it will not get below 68 inside.

Perhaps some ducting to have the machine exhaust air directly outside.
1907) Message boards : Number crunching : remaining AP v6s (Message 1610473)
Posted 7 Dec 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/workunit.php?wuid=1604180468

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/workunit.php?wuid=1590013740

This one has validated but not cleared
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/workunit.php?wuid=1600532990


The 3rd one there would be one of the 41,963 "Workunits waiting for assimilation" (Which would then be purged), or one of the 2,673 "Results waiting for db purging". None of which can happen until the AP db is online & happy.
1908) Message boards : Number crunching : Electricity usage (Message 1610466)
Posted 7 Dec 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
That's 175.2 KW/h a year or 14.6 KW/h a month more for the 20w difference.

Typically the full TDP isn't consumed while crunching. So the two cards could be much closer in power usage.
1909) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (92) Server Problems? (Message 1609915)
Posted 6 Dec 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Looks like new data is still being loaded. An hour or two ago there were 104 channel to do & now 116.
With the estimated amount of work the 5TB of data will generate. There should be plenty of MB into January. AP will probably get going before then & then we can start tearing though the 2000+ channels of AP data. Which will probably make the MB data last a bit longer as machines start doing AP work.
1910) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (92) Server Problems? (Message 1609566)
Posted 5 Dec 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
You need a minimum to post comments, but there is no minimum to try and take over someone's team. I had 2 people with zero credit try to take over my team. Seems it should be the opposite, should need a few million before someone can start trying to take over teams.

Unofficially I did takeover a team, but then they're a bunch of lightweights, I don't know who actually is in charge of the team, but I'm #1 in wu crunching...

Your team founder last contacted the servers in 2009 & has apparently made 0 posts.
You or one of your other teammates could start the process to take over the team admin duties.
1911) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (92) Server Problems? (Message 1609536)
Posted 5 Dec 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
You need a minimum to post comments, but there is no minimum to try and take over someone's team. I had 2 people with zero credit try to take over my team. Seems it should be the opposite, should need a few million before someone can start trying to take over teams.

I took over our team & there is a process for it. The current team admin has to not respond in 30, or was it 60?, days before it will be processed.
A limit of > 0 would probably not be a horrible idea. Having a very high limit could be a problem. As there could some cases where the credit for the whole team may not even be 1,000,000.
1912) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (92) Server Problems? (Message 1609233)
Posted 4 Dec 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Wow!!!

Look at the blue cricket graph folks. Haven't been that high for a long time. 151.83 Mbits/sec as of now. Prepare for work, work, work....

For a few hours now...Has anyone seen any sign?
I'm still waiting...

I just felt a great disturbance in the Force. As if millions of WU's were being made ready to be sent out in the wild......

:-)

Yeah, it's really disturbed alright...


I'm not following anymore... Did we get a WOW signal?

Well does looks like signs of life.
1913) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (92) Server Problems? (Message 1609217)
Posted 4 Dec 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Wow!!!

Look at the blue cricket graph folks. Haven't been that high for a long time. 151.83 Mbits/sec as of now. Prepare for work, work, work.... Probably MB's though, since I doubt that the AP DB work is finished.

http://fragment1.berkeley.edu/newcricket/grapher.cgi?target=/router-interfaces/inr-211/gigabitethernet6_17&ranges=d%3Aw&view=Octets

Hmmm I wonder if the data is from the full drives they had at Arecibo that Eric mentioned on the 2nd. Perhaps it is some other data they managed to dig up form the vaults.

Hopefully We'll get the drives soon, before We all run out and can't post here anymore...

I think people mistake the message "In order to create a new thread in Number crunching you must have a certain amount of credit." by meaning RAC. There are those with nearly 0 SETI@home RAC that post messages still.

I was thinking more along the lines of being able to post, I never thought of creating a thread.

I get the same message on my 2nd account with 0 credit when trying to post to a thread.
1914) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (92) Server Problems? (Message 1609196)
Posted 4 Dec 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Wow!!!

Look at the blue cricket graph folks. Haven't been that high for a long time. 151.83 Mbits/sec as of now. Prepare for work, work, work.... Probably MB's though, since I doubt that the AP DB work is finished.

http://fragment1.berkeley.edu/newcricket/grapher.cgi?target=/router-interfaces/inr-211/gigabitethernet6_17&ranges=d%3Aw&view=Octets

Hmmm I wonder if the data is from the full drives they had at Arecibo that Eric mentioned on the 2nd. Perhaps it is some other data they managed to dig up form the vaults.

Hopefully We'll get the drives soon, before We all run out and can't post here anymore...

I think people mistake the message "In order to create a new thread in Number crunching you must have a certain amount of credit." by meaning RAC. There are those with nearly 0 SETI@home RAC that post messages still.
1915) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (92) Server Problems? (Message 1609188)
Posted 4 Dec 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Wow!!!

Look at the blue cricket graph folks. Haven't been that high for a long time. 151.83 Mbits/sec as of now. Prepare for work, work, work.... Probably MB's though, since I doubt that the AP DB work is finished.

http://fragment1.berkeley.edu/newcricket/grapher.cgi?target=/router-interfaces/inr-211/gigabitethernet6_17&ranges=d%3Aw&view=Octets

Hmmm I wonder if the data is from the full drives they had at Arecibo that Eric mentioned on the 2nd. Perhaps it is some other data they managed to dig up form the vaults.
1916) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (92) Server Problems? (Message 1609127)
Posted 4 Dec 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
On Black Friday I was looking at either a 28" 4K monitor or a 40" 4K TV to use for my gaming computer. As the pricing was the same ~$600 USD.
1917) Message boards : Number crunching : work, home, school? (Message 1608838)
Posted 3 Dec 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Can we set different pc's so that the kind of tasks they crunch will differ according to whether they are set up as work, home or school in preferences? I presume this is a very fundamental question but one I don't know the answer to. I ran across it at another project and was wondering if it also applied to seti.

Yes you can. In fact there are 4 venues to choose from for standard BOINC projects. The default one. Listed as "---" or blank depending on where you are viewing things.
I use the project preferences for this kind of configuration.
Default: MB only, CPU & NVIDIA GPU
Home:	 AP only, CPU & ATI GPU
School:	 AP & MB, CPU Only
Work:	 AP only, CPU only

The BOINC Computing preferences are global across all projects. So if you change it at one project the settings will get copied to all of the others, in time.
1918) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (92) Server Problems? (Message 1608833)
Posted 3 Dec 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hi Julie,

We might want to consider the possibility that the S@H servers & db have decided that once again its holliday season and that they are entitled to some time off:-)

This kinda reminds me of 2012 around this time of year there was a significant outage as well.

Perhaps we should be thankful that S@H only decides to holiday every 2 years or so:-)

Regards,

I think the db might be working overtime with all the work going on in the background to move the data into a new table. At least I imagine it would be more than us poking it x number of times a second.
1919) Message boards : Number crunching : New Number Crunching rig. (Message 1608606)
Posted 3 Dec 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
What's a 'Serious Number Cruncher' ?
I'm running 2x GTX650 Ti at 1095MHz. Each card runs 4 concurrent seti MB tasks, each task taking about 1 Hour 45 minutes to run. That's about 110 tasks per day. Compared to CPU that seems pretty serious number crunching to me. My next rig is using 2x GTX750 Ti so interested in hearing how others have found these perform - when MB tasks are available in copious quantities.

That's about the same number of MB tasks one of my i5-4670K's @ 3.4GHz can do in a day for far less power.
1920) Message boards : Number crunching : OOO-Fee (Message 1608258)
Posted 2 Dec 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I can see Abbott and Costello doing something like "who's on first" with this.

Don't worry there are plenty of other acronyms that people debate on how they are said. ATA, IEEE, PATA, SATA, & USB are just a few that I can recall at the moment.


I work for the IEEE. "eye triple e" :-)

That is how I generally hear it, but sometimes you have those weirdos that pronounce it like a word. They are often the ones that pronounce USB as a word as well.
Is there an IEEE doc that specifies how IEEE should be pronounced?
1921) Message boards : Number crunching : OOO-Fee (Message 1608255)
Posted 2 Dec 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
What's wrong with just calling it what it is - Bios.

The same reason we don't call Windows, DOS. Even though it is a Disk Operating System.

I still call both BIOS. When talking/writing to someone I simply won't spend my time on investigating wether somebody's motherboard has a BIOS or UEFI, since it doesn't matter in most cases. When I say BIOS, everybody knows what I mean anyway and those that don't would also not understand if I said UEFI, so nevermind. Actually I guess more people understand BIOS than UEFI.

Agreed. Really the only time designating UEFI is important is whether or not a systems support it for functionality reasons.
1922) Message boards : Number crunching : OOO-Fee (Message 1608150)
Posted 2 Dec 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I can see Abbott and Costello doing something like "who's on first" with this.

Don't worry there are plenty of other acronyms that people debate on how they are said. ATA, IEEE, PATA, SATA, & USB are just a few that I can recall at the moment.
1923) Message boards : Number crunching : What's this bitcoin Utopia Stuff? (Message 1607922)
Posted 1 Dec 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Well, so much for pointing out BCU as a backup project. It's effectively down, due to DNS trouble. Your browser can't find the server at www.bitcoinutopia.net

I have not had any issues today, but I use Google's 8.8.8.8 DNS server as my backup.
1924) Message boards : Number crunching : OOO-Fee (Message 1607806)
Posted 1 Dec 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
What's wrong with just calling it what it is - Bios.

The same reason we don't call Windows, DOS. Even though it is a Disk Operating System.
1925) Message boards : Number crunching : OOO-Fee (Message 1607801)
Posted 1 Dec 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Round these parts it is pronounced U E F I.

According to Wikipedia:
In computing, the Unified Extensible Firmware Interface (UEFI) (pronounced as an initialism U-E-F-I or like "unify" without the n)
Various pronunciations have existed for UEFI; according to the UK PC Pro Magazine, the following pronunciations are in use: "weffy" (PC Pro), "U-E-F-I" (Microsoft), "you-fee", and "you-ef-fee". The magazine also notes the lack of agreement on the pronunciation.
1926) Message boards : Number crunching : What's this bitcoin Utopia Stuff? (Message 1607672)
Posted 1 Dec 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Well this is odd. I've a Dell T-710 computer with 2 NUMA 6-core processors which gives me 24 virtual processors when running Windows Server 2012R2 and version 5.10.45 of the BOINC software. It's processing and crunching Bitcoin Utopia with no issues, completing a WU about every minute.
I've another identical Dell T-710 computer but this one has Windows 7 Pro on it. So it can only see 16 of the 24 processors. It's running the latest/newest version of the BOINC software. But for this setup, I get "no tasks sent - don't need" from Bitcoin Utopia. So this machine is processing nothing. Been this way all day. I've even uninstall/reinstalled BOINC. No change. Any suggestions?

Your host that is only giving you 16 threads is doing so because there are only 16. Two CPUs with 4c/8t.
http://www.bitcoinutopia.net/bitcoinutopia/show_host_detail.php?hostid=6967
http://ark.intel.com/products/47924/Intel-Xeon-Processor-E5630-12M-Cache-2_53-GHz-5_86-GTs-Intel-QPI
1927) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (92) Server Problems? (Message 1607480)
Posted 1 Dec 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
...
The question of what happens to a retired host after its last task is validated and purged is an interesting one. Most of mine have RAC below 0.1, but some have 0.00 - so some other decay mechanism must be in place. I don't know what that is, but I might have a look around.

Filling in some of the blanks...

RAC is recalculated each time credit is granted. Additionally, projects are expected to run a periodic task to decay RAC when there are no credit grants. The sched/update_stats.cpp source for that indicates it does not do an update if the RAC has been changed within the last day, nor if the RAC is below 0.1.

The updates for host, user, and team records are all done sequentially. The fact that they are separate calculations means that even under normal circumstances the user RAC is not exactly equal to the sum of the RACs of the user's hosts.

Normal circumstances for this project had the update_stats run once a week on Tuesday. That appears not to have happened for the last two weeks, perhaps the executable was on bruno so the cron job fails or perhaps they are using a stripped down config.xml missing that crontab entry. So host RAC for a system which hasn't had a recent validation has not decayed, but for those with more than one host the user RAC may have been adjusted by a validation on a different host.

The current BOINC logic doesn't account for defunct hosts with RAC below 0.05. Perhaps an older version of update_stats didn't skip cases with RAC below 0.1 or perhaps some other cleanup script was run sometime.
                                                                  Joe

Thanks for the insight to some of the BOINC inner workings. As my AP only systems have had an unchanged RAC since Nov. 7th it makes sense. As that looks to be the same time Bruno went rather sideways.
A cleanup process such as that is certainly in the non-critical column.
Looking through my older inactive team mates systems. I see hosts with contact as recent as 2012 that have a RAC of 0.00 & hosts with last contact in 2007 with a RAC of 0.10. Perhaps there is another process as you theorized, but it only processes hosts that have communicated with the server in the past N days.
1928) Message boards : Number crunching : Too long deadlines in SETI@home v7 units. (Message 1607286)
Posted 30 Nov 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
And now do You think that deadlines are too long?

We are running out of new work, only resends because of time outs. And most of those time outs are from hosts that did connect S@H and received tasks, but then those hosts "never" again contacted S@H.

Sent 07 Oct 2014, last contact 08 Oct 2014
Sent 24 Sep 2014, last contact 26 Sep 2014
Sent 09 Nov 2014, last contact 25 Nov 2014

Just an sample what units I have done since these problems at S@H started.

I just got new task (resend), deadline is 23 Jan 2015, 2:07:15 UTC. What if that task went to the host that will never again contact S@H. Over month and half to workunit to be sent again.

There is over 700.000 tasks "Results out in the field". How many of them are from hosts that did contact S@H once and then no response.

The majority of tasks I see that have or will timeout are from machines that ran for some time and then vanished. Rather from machines that only connected once, downloaded their initial 33 tasks, and then were never heard from again.

If the nature of the data being processed was time sensitive then their deadlines would be shorter, but the project doesn't have that kind of need. So they have set their deadlines to allow for more people to participate.
I would like to have a server side option for "This host isn't running any longer. Abort all of its work."
1929) Message boards : Number crunching : What's this bitcoin Utopia Stuff? (Message 1607285)
Posted 30 Nov 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Well I got it attached and after some fooling around got it running only #5 tasks but they all very quickly got computing errors. The machine it on is a laptop but a new one and should of been capable of doing everything but the cuda, technically it could even do cuda but I stopped running cuda on laptops because of problems. Anyway I'm not sure why the compute errors and I'll deal with them a bit more later today and maybe try bitcoin on a better machine. Anyone else have issues with compute errors on bitcoin.

Did you only select the applications WezH listed?
CudaMiner (Campaign #5) - For CUDA GPUs
CPUMiner (Campaign #5) - For CPU
sgminer (Campaign #5) - For ATI/AMD GPUs
If any of the others apps are sent to your machine they will defiantly error. Unless you have the specific ASIC hardware connected to your PC. Unlike GPU detection the servers doesn't know if you have any ASIC devices. So will send work if the app is selected for it.
1930) Message boards : Number crunching : Seti fundraising via Bitcoin Utopia (Message 1607138)
Posted 30 Nov 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Awesome.

Guess there will be an extension pretty soon.

One of the BCU admins said that Eric can increase the amount or make it reoccurring if it is desired.
1931) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (92) Server Problems? (Message 1606807)
Posted 29 Nov 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
My AP only machines have had a flat RAC for weeks. The ones doing MB work have changed accordingly.

That makes sense because APs have not been updated for a long time.

The calculation of RAC has a built in decay value every 7 days. While the processes to calculate RAC could be part of one of the app processes that wouldn't make complete sense. Once a host has all of it's tasks purged. Which app process would take control of handling the RAC calculation?
Perhaps it is handled by the app processes for the last task the host completed. Which might be make retiring app processes for older versions tricky. As it would leave numerous hosts at a static level of the processes was retired.
1932) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (92) Server Problems? (Message 1606747)
Posted 29 Nov 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Someone mentioned that their RAC doesn't seem to be falling/is frozen. I can see where you get that idea.. from your hosts page. Mine still shows my main cruncher as having 3637.38, whilst my overall is reported as 696.75. In fact, I just opened up the statistics XML file and took a look, and the useraverage has been steadily falling, but the host average has been static/frozen since the 7th.

The single-core machine that still gets some occasional MB re-sends has a constantly-changing RAC because it is still getting work.

I know the AP database has been down a while, but.. shouldn't RAC still function correctly even though all the reported work is still waiting for validation?

My AP only machines have had a flat RAC for weeks. The ones doing MB work have changed accordingly.
1933) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (92) Server Problems? (Message 1606612)
Posted 28 Nov 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
What exactly is the superiority of BOINC Version 6x?


Whilst perhaps the wrong question, I would also like to know why so many people want to stay with Boinc 6.

What would I gain by switching back?

**Please note I never use the Boinc manager I only use Boinc Tasks, so any difference in the GUI I would not notice.

What other benefits would I see?.


How much time do you have ?
Boinc 7 prefers multi projects.
Running just one back offs are way to long for example.
The fact you can`t downgrade is a no go.
Thats enough for me.

The back offs are easy enough to work around using boinccmd & scripted commands to give BOINC a poke. Since I was doing that with BOINC v6.x.x I saw no change in behavior after switching to BOINC v7.x.x. I actually increased the time between pokes after switching to BOINC v7.

Not having the messages tab is dreadful. So I do stick with an older boincmgr.exe for the GUI on the machines where I even use Manager. Also I clear all of stuff in the files places in the Notices folder & then write protect them to prevent extra nonsense building up.
1934) Message boards : Number crunching : Want: EXIT_TIME_LIMIT_EXCEEDED to happen faster (Message 1605470)
Posted 26 Nov 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thanks! This worked. I am setting up the win7 task scheduler to perform this function. Two tasks that were hung actually completed successfully after restarting. One was hung for 5 hours. I noticed that the run time reported by the project did NOT show 5 hours, only the normal 40 or so seconds. Apparently it did not exit properly after successfully completing.

If you suspend a BCU tasks it starts over. I don't think they checkpint because when you are running one it is doing stuff over the internet.
1935) Message boards : Number crunching : Seti fundraising via Bitcoin Utopia (Message 1605461)
Posted 26 Nov 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
With that kind of processing rate. One of the specialized ASIC miners that runs ~100GH/s & uses about 100w mining Bitcoins for me would net about $5.94/yr after factoring electric costs.

Does that also account for the 10% rake that BU is taking off the top of the total mined (not the net), and any pool fees that aren't included in that 10%? :-)

Bitcoin utopia uses various coin types for their campaigns. Some are more cost effective than others from what I have read. With Bitcoin being one of the hardest/most costly to mine. It looks like the primary type for the SETI@home campaign is Peercoin.

Peercoin certainly looks like it might be more economical to mine but, as with just about everything in this murky cryptocurrency world, it's kind of hard to pin down anything concrete. A quick search turned up a Peercoin Mining & Profit calculator, but I have no way of knowing how plausible the estimates are or whether there's actually any way to tie those numbers to what goes on over at Bitcoin Utopia. It gives me a headache trying to make sense of the intricacy of it all! ;^)

With the project you are not collecting any currency of any kind.
I was using the quoted figure of 0.14 US dollars a month in my calculations figuring mining for profit. Not for Bitcoin utopia. As with any project it is all an expense.
At the rate of $6/yr it would take about 13 years to pay for the hardware I was referring to at a cost of $80 just to break even mining Bitcoins. It looks like it would take about 3.3 years to break even for Peercoin with that same hardware.
1936) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (92) Server Problems? (Message 1605432)
Posted 25 Nov 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The boards are up, the server staus page shows we are down and yet I just reported 2 MBs and got rewarded with a resent AP V7. How odd.

It isn't very odd for the Server Status to be behind following an outage. Given it only updates every 10, or sometimes 20-30, minutes.
Currently
[As of 25 Nov 2014, 22:30:05 UTC]
Everything looks rather normal.



Some things don't seem right though, my RAC hasn't changed all day, despite no WU's being crunched. And there seems to be splitters working on Astropulse, but its creation rate is 0/sec? I still haven't had anything since Wed, but maybe soon....maybe ;-)

P.

I think they may have disabled or changed the built in degradation part of RAC. Normally it should drop at least once a week, but I have machines that have had their RAC flat for ~3 weeks.

There is MB work being split, but no AP work. There are 9 complete AP channels on one tape, but those were done weeks ago.
1937) Message boards : Number crunching : Seti fundraising via Bitcoin Utopia (Message 1605425)
Posted 25 Nov 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Does anyone know of a conversion from wu to bitcoin to dollars to Seti?

Although it doesn't directly answer your question, I found this message over in the Bitcoin Utopia forum:
It's possible to give some estimates using this Bitcoin Mining Calculator.

If you have a 1 GH/s bitcoin miner and you are running it 24/7, you are mining about 0.00038 bitcoins a month. That's about 0.14 US dollars a month.

I believe that only dedicated ASIC hardware would meet or exceed that 1 GH/s hashrate that he mentions. For GPUs and CPUs, there's a somewhat outdated chart in this Wiki. However, I think the first paragraph is about all most of us need to read:
Due to the rising hashrate of the bitcoin network caused by the introduction of ASICs to the market, GPU mining Bitcoins has become impracticable. The hashrate of most GPU units is below 1GH/s, and as of 2014, some single ASIC units are able to reach speeds of over 1,000GH/s while consuming far less power than used by a GPU.

So, my own choice is simply to save the electricity and dedicate a percentage of the money I'm saving during this outage directly to the project. As always, YMMV. ;^)

With that kind of processing rate. One of the specialized ASIC miners that runs ~100GH/s & uses about 100w mining Bitcoins for me would net about $5.94/yr after factoring electric costs. So the other coin types would be a much better choice.
Bitcoin utopia uses various coin types for their campaigns. Some are more cost effective than others from what I have read. With Bitcoin being one of the hardest/most costly to mine. It looks like the primary type for the SETI@home campaign is Peercoin.
1938) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (92) Server Problems? (Message 1605416)
Posted 25 Nov 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The boards are up, the server staus page shows we are down and yet I just reported 2 MBs and got rewarded with a resent AP V7. How odd.

It isn't very odd for the Server Status to be behind following an outage. Given it only updates every 10, or sometimes 20-30, minutes.
Currently
[As of 25 Nov 2014, 22:30:05 UTC]
Everything looks rather normal.
1939) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (92) Server Problems? (Message 1604997)
Posted 24 Nov 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The Cricket Graph has stopped showing any data:

[img ]http://fragment1.berkeley.edu/newcricket/mini-graph.cgi?type=png;target=%2Frouter-interfaces%2Finr-211%2Fgigabitethernet6_17;inst=0;dslist=ifInOctets%2CifOutOctets;range=151200;rand=487[/img]

http://fragment1.berkeley.edu/newcricket/grapher.cgi?target=%2Frouter-interfaces%2Finr-211%2Fgigabitethernet6_17;ranges=d;view=Octets

[img ]http://fragment1.berkeley.edu/newcricket/mini-graph.cgi?type=png;target=%2Frouter-interfaces%2Finr-210%2Fgigabitethernet6_17;inst=0;dslist=ifInOctets%2CifOutOctets;range=151200;rand=937[/img]

http://fragment1.berkeley.edu/newcricket/grapher.cgi?target=%2Frouter-interfaces%2Finr-210%2Fgigabitethernet6_17;ranges=d;view=Octets

Claggy

Looking at the other routers it is campus wide. No stats for anything from that time forward.
1940) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (92) Server Problems? (Message 1604980)
Posted 24 Nov 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I'm sure that we will start getting new WU's before midsummer 2015, or at the very latest December 2015...

Until then, at least we have the message board, so we can whine and complain :-)

That goes on when we have work as well. So everything will be the same as normal!
1941) Message boards : Number crunching : Seti fundraising via Bitcoin Utopia (Message 1604966)
Posted 24 Nov 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Does anyone know of a conversion from wu to bitcoin to dollars to Seti?

Since the conversion rate constantly fluctuates, like currency exchange rates do, it is unknown. Once a campaign is finished they could provide the details for 1 task = 0.00001 BC or such.
1942) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (92) Server Problems? (Message 1604595)
Posted 23 Nov 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BOINC_Credit_System

This is the way the boinc credit system is designed.

In short, if a computer does 1 Gflop/s it wil give you 200 cobblestones per day. Giving a fixed number of cobblestones to a Wu is possible if you know exactly how much flop's a Wu takes.

To be fair, as seti is the first project which used boinc and the new program's were developed with each other, the seti project is one of the few who's giving the correct amount of cobblestones.

The reason some projects give more is because of the people who do this solely for the credit's will go to the project which give's the most per time spent.

The number of credit's a machine can gather is therefore project specific and that's the reason I only compare machine's with each other which are doing the same project.

It's the stats sites who are making a mess of it adding the credits from multiple project's and comparing those. This could only work if all the credits are calculated the same.

Credit allocation is actually based on this now.
http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/CreditNew
also see
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Random_number_generation
1943) Message boards : Number crunching : Want: EXIT_TIME_LIMIT_EXCEEDED to happen faster (Message 1604569)
Posted 23 Nov 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The easiest way to unstick GPU tasks is to bounce the GPU at an interval.
In the early days of doing MB work on my ATI GPUs I would run this every few hours.
boinccmd --set_gpu_mode never 10
That way BOINC would suspend GPU processing for 10 seconds & then resume.

For Bitcoin Utopia you may want to run that every 10-15 min.
1944) Message boards : Number crunching : Your thoughts on the upcoming Haswell E CPUs (Message 1604403)
Posted 23 Nov 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
My 120GB SSD's show up as 119GB usable if that helps.

Cheers.

Thank you your information and is very helpful.

I would expect it has 500,000,000,000 bytes to use, or 465 gibibytes


Thank you for this information. It is all always interesting to see how much hard drive is actually taken up before you put anything on it. It would be nice if drives actually stated how much usable space instead of the actual size of of the drive. I know that will not happen

No space is being "taken up" as you stated. It is more that the storage industry uses a different standard than the ones used for other measures of capacity in a computer. The good thing about standards is that there are so many to choose from.
If you want to quickly convert from GB to GiB you can just divide by 1.074 or use 1.1 for TB to TiB.
1945) Message boards : Number crunching : Your thoughts on the upcoming Haswell E CPUs (Message 1604270)
Posted 22 Nov 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I'm with you. I think you may have slightly misunderstood my question. What I was meaning is how much space is available on the SSD before you installed anything? I'm assuming for a 500 GB drive it wouldn't be 500 GB that you can use

I would expect it has 500,000,000,000 bytes to use, or 465 gibibytes if you prefer.
1946) Message boards : Number crunching : Mineral Oil Cooled and submerged computer (Message 1604147)
Posted 22 Nov 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
At first I was like "wow that is running hotter than my i5 at 100% load", but then I saw it was an AMD and I understood. :P

I was setting up an older system for submersion a few year ago, but then I bought a new place & haven't bothered to venture back into the idea.
1947) Message boards : Number crunching : HDD Questions For The Elite - [PROBLEM RETURNED] (Message 1603890)
Posted 22 Nov 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Normally just using the Intel headers, if you're not using their RAID capability, any ROM drive should be fine in either of the last 2 channels. ;-)

I know that they can be prone to causing problems in the 1st 4 when attached to them (most good mobo manuals will state the best position for ROM drives anyway.).

Cheers.

Interesting. I have always put my ODD on SATA1. With the boot drive on SATA0 & the RAID setup on the remaining SATA headers.
1948) Message boards : Number crunching : Seti fundraising via Bitcoin Utopia (Message 1603790)
Posted 21 Nov 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The SETI@home Campaign is going live this weekend.
http://www.bitcoinutopia.net/bitcoinutopia/forum_thread.php?id=622#6491
1949) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (92) Server Problems? (Message 1603786)
Posted 21 Nov 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Don't hold your breath for GBT data. It will need thorough testing on the Beta site before it is released in the wild.

Edit: I'm sure Lunatics will have an app for it if needed before we see it here.

I would expect GBT data & app testing on Beta before it hits main.
1950) Message boards : Number crunching : remaining AP v6s (Message 1603652)
Posted 21 Nov 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
In last 24 hours 32 units received. At this rate, a little bit over week left.


I think you can add another 25 days to that with all the time outs coming up fairly soon calculating by the last time I got a V6 resend...


I know, that's why I did say "At this rate".

There is hosts like this HAL9000:s MAC, two task still left and if it's running 24/7 it should have reported those two remaining tasks already. But it hasn't.

It normally does run 24/7, but we had a power outage. So it was off for about a day. About 12 hours left to go on those two tasks.
1951) Message boards : Number crunching : Computer cases like legos (Message 1603427)
Posted 21 Nov 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Perhaps you could. I don't know. Follow the link I provided to the case to get more information about it.
1952) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (92) Server Problems? (Message 1603314)
Posted 20 Nov 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hopefully by next Thursday we all will have much to be Thankful for.........the Hope that Springs eternal........


Not sure about that...

...approx. 10 minutes ago while attempting to post, got this: - Fatal error: Cannot redeclare boinc_real_escape_string() (previously declared in /disks/carolyn/b/home/boincadm/projects/sah/html/inc/db.inc:177) in /disks/carolyn/b/home/boincadm/projects/sah/html/inc/boinc_db.inc on line 710

I was getting that site wide about 90 min ago.
1953) Message boards : Number crunching : Computer cases like legos (Message 1603240)
Posted 20 Nov 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
This is a neat idea. The Thermaltake v21 can be combined with a 2nd case to make a larger case.

1954) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (92) Server Problems? (Message 1603234)
Posted 20 Nov 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I just found with BOINC 7.2.42 that with a backup projects it stops working on the backup project as soon as work is received for a non-backup project.


I haven't seen that. One of my CPU-only host is still working with backup project (S@H beta). 1/6 cores are working with S@H, and host has 36 S@H workunits ready to start.

I think I found how why it is doing that for me. My i7's download 8 tasks from their backup projects. However I am using an app_config.xml with <max_concurrent>4</max_concurrent> set. BOINC will finish the 4 tasks that it actively processing for the backup project while it downloads work for the main project. Then will start the main project tasks leaving the remaining 4 backup project tasks "ready to start".
I imagine the backup tasks would start again if BOINC went to high priority mode.
1955) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (92) Server Problems? (Message 1603216)
Posted 20 Nov 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Yep, getting some tasks here 2, but why does Rosetta work always want to go into high priority mode whenever I get SETI work? :-O

Cheers.

I just found with BOINC 7.2.42 that with a backup projects it stops working on the backup project as soon as work is received for a non-backup project.


How does Boinc determine which is a backup project, and which isn't?

P.

Projects with Resource Share set to 0 are "backup projects".
1956) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (92) Server Problems? (Message 1603163)
Posted 20 Nov 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Yep, getting some tasks here 2, but why does Rosetta work always want to go into high priority mode whenever I get SETI work? :-O

Cheers.

I just found with BOINC 7.2.42 that with a backup projects it stops working on the backup project as soon as work is received for a non-backup project.
1957) Message boards : Number crunching : Best performing hardware (Message 1603159)
Posted 20 Nov 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

When I win the lottery I'm going to use a couple of these...

Oh yeah! The K80 is rated 8.7 TFLOPS/s for single precision and therefore would/should be considerably faster then the fastest consumer GPUs.

http://www.computerworld.com/article/2848128/servers/nvidia-reaches-high-on-graphics-performance-with-tesla-k80.html

Problem really is the price, it should be around $7000 :-(

I don't know about accuracy, but the price is quoted as being $5,000 on anandtech.
Which is $2000 more than a Titan Z that is rated at 8.1 TFLOPS.
1958) Message boards : Number crunching : Best performing hardware (Message 1603151)
Posted 20 Nov 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thanks for the info.

Regards to the Intel GPU I was thinking of running this instead of the Intel CPU alongside the Radeon, My thoughts were lower power for the same sort of output?

So iGPU + Radeon & no CPU? I'm not as familiar with the Ivy Bridge iGPU as I am with Haswell. If the CPU to iGPU performance scales the same. Then you could expect about the same amount of output vs CPU + Radeon at lower power levels. The iGPU runs in the neighborhood of 11-15 or so watts.

EDIT: Also I just noticed I messed up on the GFLOPS for your iGPU. It should have been 294.4 instead of 107.52. As it has 16, not 6, execution units.
1959) Message boards : Technical News : Status Update (Nov 19, 2014) (Message 1603132)
Posted 20 Nov 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Would the process of doing it in chunks as Matt described when doing this for the SETI@home science database last time be of benefit in this situation?
1960) Message boards : Number crunching : Best performing hardware (Message 1603122)
Posted 20 Nov 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Damn that system beats mine :

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/show_host_detail.php?hostid=7407076

Couple of questions, on the Nvidia system posted he is doing a wide range of GPU based units where as I am only doing one type, is this because he has a Cuda capable card?

Second I was under the assumption that CPU was still important as there is specific work types that only run on CPU?

Third I have a second box with a 3770k installed, is it possible to crunch on the CPU's GPU and the discrete (270x) card at the same time?
I think this combo rather than CPU + 270x would use less power and produce about the same points?

In my first message I has mentioned which apps run best on which hardware. However with SETI@home all 4 types of hardware CPU, ATI GPU, Intel GPU, & NVIDIA GPU can run both Astropulse & SETI@home applications. At least in Windows.
From the Applications page you can see what apps there are for which types of hardware in each OS.
OpenCL is used for the ATI, Intel, & Nvidia Astropulse apps
OpenCL is used for the ATI, & Intel SETI@home apps.
CUDA is use for the NVIDIA SETI@home app.

It looks like none of your machines have done any Astropulse work. You may have disabled Astropulse in your preferences. You can check your Project Preferences & make sure everything is enabled or at least SETI@home v7 & AstroPulse v7. As those two are the current active applications that we are working on right now.
Run only the selected applications:
SETI@home Enhanced - Obsolete & replaced by SETI@home v7
SETI@home v7
AstroPulse v6 - Obsolete & replaced by AstroPulse v7
AstroPulse v7

CPUs are still important. However a system with a mid to high GPU the CPU output does only account for a fraction of the systems total output. Primarily because GPUs are several times more efficient that CPUs in the manor we are using them. For example my HD6870's will process an Astropulse task in about 30 min & my i5-4670's will take about 4 hours running 4 at a time. So in 4 hours my HD6870 has completed 8 tasks where my CPU has completed 4.

Also the Intel HD4000 @ 107.52 GFLOPS is much less powerful than your R9 270x @ 2560 GFLOPS.
1961) Message boards : Number crunching : Crunching on Intel and discrete Graphics? (Message 1603097)
Posted 20 Nov 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
If you need help forcing monitor detection & extending the desktop for the iGPU. I did a step by step.
http://www.hal6000.com/seti/manual_display_detect.htm
1962) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (92) Server Problems? (Message 1602745)
Posted 19 Nov 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
That's some good news:)

Work is now getting Split, my T8100 received a good bucket full, all VLARs.

Claggy

Aye, The SETI@home bit buckets are refilling at the moment.
1963) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (92) Server Problems? (Message 1602677)
Posted 19 Nov 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Well,

If we hit Thanksgiving and it's still not up then we are probably looking at the beginning of next year.

Now, I'm not saying that to undermine all the things that the guys over there are doing.

It sounds like they are busting their behinds trying to get things to run.

Just, from my experience with dealing with others that when you are trying to fix something and it happens around the holidays, it's almost impossible to get help (ie venders, suppliers, help desk, etc) when you are trying to fix things.

People have planned vacations, extended weekends, etc And this is pretty much the biggest holiday season of the year.

Not to mention, they DO have families..

So at this point, if it comes back before then Great.

If it doesn't. My world isn't going to end.

And on that note, I hope EVERYONE has a Great Holiday season!!

Eric's post mentioned it has taken 5 days to get to 25% & that was about 6 day ago. So if it still going it should be somewhere around 50% complete. In theory that would put the completion time around the 28/29th. Being a holiday weekend for the US maybe after maintenance on the 2nd AP shall return.
1964) Message boards : Number crunching : Seti fundraising via Bitcoin Utopia (Message 1602676)
Posted 19 Nov 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
My machines started running out of work on Saturday and, since there are no other BOINC projects that I currently support, I shut them down as the WUs ran out. Checking my electric usage from Saturday through Monday, I can see that I've used 64.24 Kwh less than the same period in the previous week. At Tier 4 Off-Peak Winter rates, that translates into a $17.53 cent reduction in my electric cost for those 3 days.

Now, I suppose I could fire up those machines again to run Bitcoin Utopia, but I seriously doubt that 64.24 Kwh of usage would generate $17.53 in benefits for S@h. In fact, I'm going to hazard a guess that it wouldn't even generate 80% of that amount. (I could certainly be wrong about that, but that's why I was asking my original question.) Frankly, I'd rather save my electricity (and the environment) and turn some of my savings directly over to S@h. So, using my 80% guesstimate, I'll put my money where my mouth is:

Your gift details…

You gave to: SETI@home

We received your gift of $14.00

via xxxxxxxxx on 11/19/2014.

Your confirmation number is 139610.

My home machine are on because they are doing other tasks rather than purpose built to run SETI@home. If I was paying as much per KW/h as you. I would probably let mine run idle rather than run other projects. Running SETI@home adds ~8-9 KW/h a day to my usage. I have found running Bitcoin Utopia adds ~6-7 KW/h a day.
1965) Message boards : Number crunching : Lunatics Windows Installer v0.43a Maintenance Release (Message 1602661)
Posted 19 Nov 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Can I run the installer on a fresh installation of BOINC before receiving any work?

So long at BOINC has been attached to the project everything should be OK.
1966) Message boards : Number crunching : Seti + Virtual Box 7.4.27 (X64) Install Hangup (Message 1602660)
Posted 19 Nov 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I would expect it is VirtualBox being disagreeable on your system. On one of my server I use VirtualBox and has to roll back to an older version, 4.3.14, because the most recent version at that time was a bit broken.
1967) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (92) Server Problems? (Message 1602579)
Posted 19 Nov 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I've been waiting for someone to inadvertently answer my question...because it seems so obvious I'm afraid the answer is something I've simply overlooked. I'm almost afraid to ask it. So...I thought the SETI@Home MB database was much larger than the AstroPulse database. If so, why does the MB database seem fine where the AP database is not so fine?

Fair question. Just to get it out of the way - in BOINC terms (the bits we interact with - either through this forum or via our client processing), both MB and AP share the same MySQL database.

It's only at the science (Informix) database level that they're kept separate. I'd agree that in theory, the AP database should be smaller: the search has been running for a shorter time, and each 'tape' generates fewer WUs, with similar signal limits to the SETI search.

Reading between the lines of Matt's Technical News (Feb 16 2012), I'd suggest that certain limits have to be set by administrators when a database is first set up (the number of extents in a table, for example). Perhaps that has to be done to fit the amount of available disk space, or something. Perhaps the AP database was set up and configured - when it was young and small - to fit on a server with limited disk space. Since AP has been gaining a lot of attention recently, and the table sizes have been growing unexpectedly quickly, maybe they hit one of those in-house configuration limits sooner than expected?

I wonder if in newer versions of Informix some of these issues are easier to deal with. I would imagine the db software isn't changed often, but perhaps it could reduce some of their headaches. Looks like the most recent version was released this July.
1968) Message boards : Number crunching : Best performing hardware (Message 1602548)
Posted 19 Nov 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
SP / DP was to be my next question but that's been answered, so it looks like if you had the cash a Dual 18 core Xeon box with 2x Titan Z's would be the best bet?

Damn when I win the lottery I am defiantly building the worlds best home Seti box, something you can still run off the mains and use day to day I think, would be awesome getting to play with that kit and giving something back with all the power :)

You don't really need that much CPU oomph. An i5 or i7 with a pair of those GPUs would likely be in the top 15-20 computers for the project. The CPUs, in comparison to the GPUs, would only account for a small fraction of the work the machine completes.
1969) Message boards : Number crunching : iGPU tuning (Message 1602547)
Posted 19 Nov 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
When I installed my amd cards (2), they told me to first uninstall the igpu before installing. On my bios I can reinstall the igpu or so it looks like. If I do that and it works, how will that affect my gpu crunching and my cpu overclocking. I would like for the igpu to handle all of the daily screen work and have the amd's just working on wu's, but I don't want to see any downgrade in the gpu's or the cpu's. Will that work do you think? Thanks.

I still have no idea why you would be told to disable the iGPU & I have not seen any documentation about doing that before.
Using the iGPU for your general display shouldn't be an issue for CPU & the add-in GPU's processing. I have the iGPU enabled on my systems & only see slowdown issues while using the iGPU to process work.
1970) Message boards : Number crunching : Seti fundraising via Bitcoin Utopia (Message 1602409)
Posted 19 Nov 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Milkyway gained over $3,000 in fundraising from Bitcoin Utopia. This has potential to be significant for the funding Seti needs.

That doesn't actually answer my question. If that $3,000 required more than $3,000 in electricity to generate it, then it's a net loss to the project (versus direct contributions equivalent to the electric costs) and environmentally costly at the same time.

So, to figure out if it's advantageous or not, it seems to me that there needs to be a way to come up with some sort of cost / benefit ratio for this kind of approach. Is there?

Different coin types have different profit/power expense ratios. BitCoins are not profitable to mine on CPU or GPU hardware any longer, but there other coin types that are. Bitcoin Utopia mixes various coin types in each Campaign

Since my hardware will be running other projects while waiting for SETI@home work anyway. Why not help out the project while it is offline or out of work.
1971) Message boards : Number crunching : Seti fundraising via Bitcoin Utopia (Message 1602333)
Posted 19 Nov 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Bitcoin Utopia will be raising fundraising for Seti@home. Great news!

http://www.bitcoinutopia.net/bitcoinutopia/forum_thread.php?id=611

Excellent! I've already enabled Campaign #5 sgminer for my hosts.
1972) Message boards : Number crunching : BOINC 7.4.27? (Message 1602186)
Posted 18 Nov 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Well, the most anoying change is that they changed the font being used and now the columns don't show up as nicely as I had them adjusted before... :(

Ralf

You could overwrite the boincmgr.exe with the previous one. The manager application is just a front end GUI to the client app boinc.exe.
1973) Message boards : Number crunching : Best performing hardware (Message 1602182)
Posted 18 Nov 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
So just a thought, what kit out there would perform the best for Seti?, Im not talking big clusters ect just specific pieces of hardware.

I would assume it would be some form of GPU but what about the Intel Xeon Phi cards for example?

I'm not looking to purchase just curious as to what the ideal Seti rig would be :)

I'm not sure that anyone has developed any SETI@home apps for the Xeon Phi hardware yet. However at the moment the best performance per watt would be doing work on GPUs. The type of work depends on which vendor hardware is the most efficient.
For SETI@home (MB work): NV GPUs using CUDA
For Astropulse (AP work): ATI GPUs using OpenCL
That isn't saying MB work on ATI GPUs or AP work on NV GPUs is bad.

In the NV range the 750ti seems to be the best PPW GPU. I have not seen enough reports on the new NV 900 series GPUs to know how well they preform at the moment.
1974) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (92) Server Problems? (Message 1602159)
Posted 18 Nov 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The task limits were implemented quite some time ago. It was necessary to prevent the db server from crashing on a regular basis once there were too many results out in the field.


Do we know if these were h/w or s/w caused crashes? If, as I hypothesize up thread, they were because of inherent flaws in Informix, I reiterate my request: can't we get a cut-rate license from an Enterprise-grade DB for SETI? Does anyone here have any useful knowledge about this? Or can we (maybe) start a drive to buy a license? Might it be more useful than new h/w?

IIRC it was the table that holds the results out in the field taking to long to be parsed every time there was a request in the db for it. Which happens often.
I'm not sure any amount of software can work around that. It would most likely take a DB redesign or more robust hardware to handle such a workload. With a single table growing to 11,000,000+ rows it is more logical to reduce the number of entries in it. Rather than spend time redoing the works or throwing hardware at it.
That's not to say if they put a 4 socket server with 2TB of RAM & enterprise SSD storage on their wishlist that we wouldn't try to make it happen.
They also have access to DB services from the Berkeley IST, but I would imagine they would have looked in to what is offered vs what they require already.
1975) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (92) Server Problems? (Message 1602123)
Posted 18 Nov 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Since I returned to Seti 2 weeks ago I crunched 70 000 credits, but at least 25% of time I was without work. I tried to make bigger WU stock as I knew this is going to happen as you warned us, but Boinc informed me: I got max.WU allowed for this computer.

Do not get me wrong but that is just stupid - it is not same to have same MAX number of WU for some old computer or for new I5. I crunch max number of WU in 2 days without any problem. And now this computer is empty for last 24h... And who knows how much longer it will be. Yes, I know - I can run Einstein or something like that in meantime, but I returned to SETI...

The task limits were implemented quite some time ago. It was necessary to prevent the db server from crashing on a regular basis once there were to many results out in the field.
1976) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (92) Server Problems? (Message 1602009)
Posted 18 Nov 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
As I write there are currently just a little over 1.9 million results out in the field. It will be interesting to see how low it will get, also interesting to see how long it will take for everyone's cache to be refilled when a steady flow of data comes back online

Out of the ~500 tasks across my machines most it consists of the remaining AP work they have to finish. My two fastest groups of machines are only managing to snag a new task for MB or AP every now & then. Limping along on their backup projects.
1977) Message boards : Number crunching : v7.21 Differences between armv6-vfp and armv7-vfpv3d16 ??? (Message 1601963)
Posted 18 Nov 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Your device will randomly be assigned one of the following
7.21 (armv6-neon)
7.21 (armv6-vfp)
7.21 (armv7-neon)
7.21 (armv7-vfpv3d16)
7.21 (armv7-vfpv4)

Once each app version has at least 11 for "Number of tasks completed". Then the server will primarily, in theory, only send you the best one for your device.
By looking at the Application details for your device you can see the number and type of apps you have already run so far.
1978) Message boards : Number crunching : This one is gonna get stuck (Message 1601960)
Posted 18 Nov 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Well I suspended apx 40 GPU tasks one at a time, what a pain and it is now crunching. It should be done in a couple of hours or so. I hope I remember to restart the paused ones so work continues.
I really don't like micro managing data.


Here is a little .bat script I use to suspend my AP tasks. I have 4 .bat files setup to suspend or resume AP & MB separately. You just have to change bmc2 & tsk_stng to suit your needs.
@ECHO OFF
pushd %~dp0
set bcmd1=--task
set bcmd2=suspend
set max_task_rep=5
set tsk_stng=ap_*.*
set project_addy=http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/
set project_path=%~dp0\projects\setiathome.berkeley.edu\
set lcnt=0
:loopy
if NOT exist %project_path%\%tsk_stng% @ECHO No tasks found & goto end
@ECHO Starting AP_%lcnt% tasks set to %bcmd2% %time%
for /f %%a IN ('dir "%project_path%\%tsk_stng%" /b /OS') do boinccmd.exe %bcmd1% %project_addy% %%a_%lcnt% %bcmd2%
@ECHO Finished AP_%lcnt% tasks set to %bcmd2% %time%
@ECHO.
if %lcnt%==%max_task_rep% goto end
set /a lcnt=%lcnt%+1 & goto loopy
:end
if "%1"=="auto" goto ext
timeout 5
:ext
exit
1979) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (92) Server Problems? (Message 1601700)
Posted 16 Nov 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
[As of 16 Nov 2014, 5:30:03 UTC]
RTS: 50,834
1980) Message boards : Number crunching : BOINC support of CPU OpenCL -- question (Message 1601699)
Posted 16 Nov 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I believe the idea is so that apps written in OCL can be "easily" compiled for CPU, iGPU, NV GPU, or ATI GPU.
1981) Message boards : Technical News : Taking longer than expected (Nov 13, 2014) (Message 1601307)
Posted 15 Nov 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
New game for the Cafe... TLPTGAWUW!!!
(The last person to get a work unit wins)

I thought we were already playing "First one to infinity wins" :P
1982) Message boards : Number crunching : Time to warm up back up projects? (Message 1601286)
Posted 15 Nov 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
They have added more tapes but these aren't very big tapes so will have to see how long they last.

I think this one will have the signal from ET.
01ap10ep	0.00 GB
1983) Message boards : Number crunching : Time to warm up back up projects? (Message 1601254)
Posted 15 Nov 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Bitcoin Utopia always has CPU & GPU work available and can benefit either Boincstats or Milkyway in the process.

The campaign for the replacement BOINCstats hardware has been completed. I have mostly been focusing on the "The Economic Viability of Mars Colonization" campaign & recently started on the 2nd Milkyway one.
I think it would be neat if there was a reoccurring one for SETI@home. Much like the Milkyway one. Seems that more than $1,000 a month can be generated at the moment.
1984) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (92) Server Problems? (Message 1601210)
Posted 14 Nov 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Oh no!!! I'm starting to see the dreaded

11/14/2014 3:15:45 PM | SETI@home | Requesting new tasks for NVIDIA GPU
11/14/2014 3:15:48 PM | SETI@home | Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks
11/14/2014 3:15:48 PM | SETI@home | No tasks sent
11/14/2014 3:15:48 PM | SETI@home | No tasks are available for AstroPulse v6
11/14/2014 3:15:48 PM | SETI@home | No tasks are available for AstroPulse v7
11/14/2014 3:15:48 PM | SETI@home | Tasks for CPU are available, but your preferences are set to not accept them
11/14/2014 3:15:48 PM | SETI@home | Tasks for AMD/ATI GPU are available, but your preferences are set to not accept them



The countdown has started I fear!!

What's that pounding noise in my ears?? Elevated heart beat you say!!

ECK!!!

Tthe number of RTS is 33 min old & it looks to have remained flat for the past 90 min. I would hazard a guess that something else may have gone a bit wonky.

EDITL Right after posting it looks like it updated again & things may have unstuck themselves.
1985) Message boards : Number crunching : How to limit size of job_log_setiathome.berkeley.edu.txt (Message 1601182)
Posted 14 Nov 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
In my BOINC start up .bat I do some cleaning before it starts by performing
rd notices /s /q
del http*.*
del job_log_*.txt
del time_stats_log
1986) Message boards : Number crunching : Comp Errors with New Intel Drivers - Beware (Message 1600797)
Posted 13 Nov 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have the v15.33.22.64.3621 install package archived & can host it for you to d/l if you can't find it from the Intel site. Normally they yank older releases to never be found again.
1987) Message boards : Number crunching : BOINC 7.4.27? (Message 1600493)
Posted 13 Nov 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I seem to have good timing in that I update my systems right before the next recommended version is released. I just recently updated all of my systems to 7.2.42.
However I plan to go with the latest semi-stable release of 7.5/7.6 on some systems for the <dont_use_vbox>0|1</dont_use_vbox> option.
1988) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (92) Server Problems? (Message 1600491)
Posted 13 Nov 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Do I have to become religious to get some AP's, or what?


Nope, You just to have to be lucky to get resends. :)

Eric did post "Turns out we had run up against another informix limit. I'm resolving that, but it's looking like we are only 1/8th of the way done after 24 hours. Until it's done we won't be able to generate Astropulse work." at 9 Nov 2014, 0:15:29 UTC, so we have to wait until that problem is solved.

Yes, I get resends from time to time, and I yes, did read what Eric posted. I just tried to get some humour into this waiting period, but obviously it fell on deaf ears.
Yeah well.....

I was going to suggest that you may need to anoint your processors in holy thermal compound, but I guess the moment has passed.

It looks like I've been getting about 20 AP v7 resends a day across my machines. Which have been going to my Teir 3 and slower machines.
1989) Message boards : Number crunching : Power Supply Opinions Please (Message 1600489)
Posted 13 Nov 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
There are some things I find surprising for a 900W PSU
- It only has an 80Plus Bronze certification. Gold certification gives 5-7% increase in efficiency.
- There are 4 PCIe connectors in a 2 6+2-pin & 2 6-pin configuration. I would have expected at least 4 6+2-pin connectors.
1990) Message boards : Number crunching : got the replacement PSU RM850 (Message 1600286)
Posted 12 Nov 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
It's spinnin' like a top. Happy. :-)

Much like my head is doing today. o.0 ow ow ow 0.o
That sure seems to point to the other being defective. Luckily with the amazon exchange you don't have to deal with all of the RMA business.


That points to what other being defective?

The other PSU. I was thinking you meant the fan on this one is spinning?
1991) Message boards : Number crunching : got the replacement PSU RM850 (Message 1600281)
Posted 12 Nov 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
It's spinnin' like a top. Happy. :-)

Much like my head is doing today. o.0 ow ow ow 0.o
That sure seems to point to the other being defective. Luckily with the amazon exchange you don't have to deal with all of the RMA business.
1992) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (91) Server Problems? (Message 1600209)
Posted 12 Nov 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
total AP channels to do: 775

That's the most I can recall seeing.

I wonder if it will go even higher or if they calculated that enough data was added to keep MB going until they could get all of the AP services working again.
1993) Message boards : Number crunching : Your thoughts on the upcoming Haswell E CPUs (Message 1600208)
Posted 12 Nov 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

Sounds like the free version of Dataram RAMdisk I've been using for years. When you open the configuration GUI there is a pop-up ad, but otherwise it runs in the background w/o any annoyances.
I've also configured it to save the image to disk every few hours in addition to the saving that occurs automatically on system shutdown.

Thanks for information. Can you let us know if you are running any projects and whether you notice a dramatic speed increase

For a mostly idle system. I would see a speed increase of around 0.0% for the projects I run. It may actually be slowing down the science apps in some cases with the increased load on the memory. However I have not seen any noticeable changes either way.

Some of the systems I run BOINC on are servers with heavy disk i/o. So by moving BOINC to a RAMdisk it prevented BOINC projects from slowing down normal system operations. At home I used in on systems so that the disk could be spun down in order to save power.

By running BOINC on a RAMdisk for a HDD based system it can help reduce fragmentation, or for a SSD it would reduce the number of disk writes. Making the SSD last longer. A separate partition would also prevent fragmentation on a HDD & I have been running BOINC on my SSD system at home for a few years & the SSDs still report 99% life remaining.
1994) Message boards : Number crunching : iGPU tuning (Message 1600126)
Posted 12 Nov 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have been playing around with the trial of Intel vTune tool on a system at work. I think I now understand it enough to make send out of things when I start doing testing with the CPU & iGPU apps on my Haswell & BayTrail systems.
1995) Message boards : Number crunching : Intel and Nvidia run together?? (Message 1600122)
Posted 12 Nov 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I ran my iGPU at the same time as my ATI GPU. So I don't see why it wouldn't work for a NV GPU.
1996) Message boards : Number crunching : Hypothetical (Message 1600120)
Posted 12 Nov 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Without using the web preferences,

would it be possible to write either a app_config file or cc_config where by I could crunch 2 APs on GPU 3 while crunching only MB's on GPU 1 and 2? If so, how would one go about it and what would it look like?

Ideas?

It looks like the parameters of <exclude_gpu> in a cc_config.xml would be able to be used to limit the specific apps to the desired GPUs. Once that is set the standard configuration of your app_config.xml to run the desired number of tasks per app would be used.

Something along the lines of:
<exclude_gpu>
   <url>project_URL</url>
   <device_num>0</device_num>
   <type>NVIDIA</type>
   <app>astropulse_v7</app>
</exclude_gpu>
<exclude_gpu>
   <url>project_URL</url>
   <device_num>1</device_num>
   <type>NVIDIA</type>
   <app>astropulse_v7</app>
</exclude_gpu>
<exclude_gpu>
   <url>project_URL</url>
   <device_num>2</device_num>
   <type>NVIDIA</type>
   <app>setiathome_v7</app>
</exclude_gpu>
1997) Message boards : Number crunching : Your thoughts on the upcoming Haswell E CPUs (Message 1600118)
Posted 12 Nov 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I read a review of AMD Radeon RAMDisk that mentioned that the free version will load at startup, save at shutdown, and auto-save. The only catch is a 4GB drive size limitation and some occasional ads asking you to buy the paid version. If you like the program you can buy 12GB, 24GB, 32GB, or 64GB versions. Also if you use a product like this it will add to the amount of time it takes your system to startup and shutdown, although an SSD would reduce that. But it sounds interesting, maybe I might try it out.

Sounds like the free version of Dataram RAMdisk I've been using for years. When you open the configuration GUI there is a pop-up ad, but otherwise it runs in the background w/o any annoyances.
I've also configured it to save the image to disk every few hours in addition to the saving that occurs automatically on system shutdown.
1998) Message boards : Technical News : What's happening... (Nov 8, 2014) (Message 1599544)
Posted 10 Nov 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I suppose increasing the minimum quorum could be used if they wanted to have more results with the same data. Depending on how closely the apps look at the data chunks. I could see requiring 3 or 4 results as still be scientifically legitimate, & not considered "busy work".

Especially to combat those situations where two GPUs get paired up together and spew out -9 overflows when it shouldn't have been a -9 overflow WU. I know that situation isn't frequent, but it also isn't uncommon/rare.

I think to fix that extra code would have to be added to keep all of the results going to the same kind of hardware. I don't think having 3 or 4 GPUs spit out a false -9 overflow would be very helpful.
Perhaps a mechanism that sends out overflow results for 2nd round of crunching or something along those lines.
1999) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (91) Server Problems? (Message 1599485)
Posted 10 Nov 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
We're obviously done. Now, show me ET, the one we've been looking for all these years.

LOL

Well no one said finding ET would occur. When searching for something. Finding nothing is a valid result. :P
2000) Message boards : Number crunching : new computer died an early death while installing a 270x (Message 1599483)
Posted 10 Nov 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I'm sending it back to amazon. I looked at the latest siv64 and the 12v power goes as low as 11.46 now. It has never been up to 12v.

Having 11.46v is within spec for the 12v rail on an ATX supply, but being able to swap things with Amazon with no questions asked is nice.
That is part of troubleshooting. Swapping out pieces until you have the most likely point of failure.

According to the graphic on the corsair website. It looks like the fan should come on at 40% load or ~340w.
2001) Message boards : Technical News : What's happening... (Nov 8, 2014) (Message 1599448)
Posted 10 Nov 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thank you Eric!!!!!
I will always crunch what is sent to me.

Exactly. There is data that needs to be processed. So processed it shall be! Maybe some data needs to be sent out again. I don't see any issue with that. They know what they need processed & if I can help crunch some of it I will.

I suppose increasing the minimum quorum could be used if they wanted to have more results with the same data. Depending on how closely the apps look at the data chunks. I could see requiring 3 or 4 results as still be scientifically legitimate, & not considered "busy work".
2002) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (91) Server Problems? (Message 1599033)
Posted 9 Nov 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Is there a problem with the credits getting posted? I see it did not budge for days now.

Miklos

Something tells me the daily stats dump may have been one of the duties Bruno carried out. It may be a decision between being able to upload completed results or generate stats. If I want to know how much credit I have I just look at http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/home.php
2003) Message boards : Technical News : What's happening... (Nov 8, 2014) (Message 1598918)
Posted 9 Nov 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Sounds like Bruno may have a fault in the AE35 unit. :)

Thanks for taking some of your other spare time, that you don't have, to let us know the status of things. It helps to clear up speculation about what may or may not being occurring behind the scenes.
2004) Message boards : Number crunching : new computer died an early death while installing a 270x (Message 1598912)
Posted 9 Nov 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
On a 20 pin ATX MB connector Power On is pin 14 & on a 24 pin connector it is pin 16. There is a nice numbered diagram if you like here.
The current suggestion is that the wire should be green, but none of that really matters. As it is always the 3rd & 4th pin from the left on the top row with the tab side up. As shown in all of the photos for any of the sites describing how to do a manual test.

Connecting a fan to the PSU was a suggestion while doing the pin shorting test. As the PSU doesn't normally spin at low loads you probably wouldn't have any other way to tell if it is off or on unless you connect a volt meter. Previously you had mentioned you might get a multimeter, but were worried about electrocuting your self or your dog. So I figured a fan would be a safer test. :P

If nothing happens then you have at least a dead PSU. Once you RMA it if it still doesn't power on them the MB might be gone as well. Troubleshooting can be a pain in the tookus.
2005) Message boards : Number crunching : new computer died an early death while installing a 270x (Message 1598673)
Posted 8 Nov 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I did find a fallen thumb screw in the case after I tried but failed to power up.
What would that mean? Destroyed MB?

I'm working on the rest of that stuff.
Dark blue thing - I don't know, mine is not taken apart.

I don't know what an internal fuse would look like.

Loose metal things inside the case do tend to be an issue. Especially if they find their way behind the MB at some point.
Could be a toasted MB or the PSU has gone into short circuit self preservation mode. As it was stated earlier. The PSU will reset itself once all the power bleeds off. For that I just pull the power cable to the PSU and hold the power switch for 30-90 seconds & then let it sit unplugged for 5-10 minutes. Then give it another go.
There is a way to test your PSU to see if it is still working by shorting two pins on the main MB connector. If you feel like you want to give it a go.
http://www.wikihow.com/Check-a-Power-Supply
Given the PSU on your model is designed to not spin until under a moderate load you may want to connect a hard drive or fan to the PSU as well to confirm it is switching on or not.
If the PSU passes the test then it is likely the genie has left the motherboard never to return.
2006) Message boards : Number crunching : remaining AP v6s (Message 1598650)
Posted 8 Nov 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I just noticed I had this task in what looks like it would be one of those stuck in limbo forever states. However the 3rd result actually timed out. So I wonder if in that situation it will get purged normally. Well once the assimilation & purging processes resume again.
2007) Message boards : Number crunching : new computer died an early death while installing a 270x (Message 1598632)
Posted 8 Nov 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Did you check to make sure the power switch was still connected to the MB??

Does your MB has a "power good" LED that comes on when the PSU plugged in & switched on if it has a switch?
2008) Message boards : Number crunching : Seti@Home 7.7.03 tasks seem to run on GPU - is this normal? (Message 1598519)
Posted 8 Nov 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
There are CPU & GPU apps for SETI@home v7 & Astropulse v7. So everything is fine if you want to run both types on your CPU & GPU.
If not you can change your project preferences to only one type if you like, or you can use a cc_config.xml to exclude specific apps from your GPU.
2009) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (91) Server Problems? (Message 1598514)
Posted 8 Nov 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Something is realy wrong with the servers, AP split is stuck for days and now the MB spliting seems to work very wierd too (15 channels in progress!).

Does anyone realy knows what is happening? I see the msg about bruno but that was days ago.

Are you still seeing to many AP channels in progress? It has been showing 7 for me since they took all of the AP services down the other day. Currently all of the AP services are still disabled so there are really 0 active.
However I do see 14 in progress MB. Which is interesting considering there are only 8 MB splitters. With 7 of then running.

I'm pretty certain that 'in progress' can mean 'started, but not completed'. In the same way, the BOINC clients running on our own computers can switch from project to project, leaving unfinished tasks 'waiting to run', and return to them later.

If you stop your local BOINC client, and start it again later, it won't necessarily restart exactly the same set of projects and tasks that were active before you shut it down. I think the splitters work the same way: if they are shut down for weekly maintenance, and restarted afterwards, they might start on a different batch from the ones which were active before the outrage. The cricket graph suggests that the server daemons were shut down for about an hour yesterday morning (Pacific time): I suspect the new tapes were added then, and the splitter tape selection algorithm saw the new batch of tapes and picked them when the daemons started back up.

That does make sense, but I was thinking that during maintenance it typically showed 0 in progress. That may be due to specific things being offline at the time I suppose.
2010) Message boards : Number crunching : Anyone use a PCI-E splitter for GPU crunching? (Message 1598512)
Posted 8 Nov 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
That product has been looked at by people in the past
PCI to PCIE Adaptor and Other Interesting Gizmos
Who uses PCIe extenders; do they work?
but I'm not sure that anyone has given it a go yet.
Using the PCIe x4 splitter it would effectively run the cards with 1 lane each. The same as the PCIe x1 to x 16 adapter cables really. Which may be a cheaper option if you have a MB with several x1 slots. Why no one makes a splitter to take a single PCIe x16 slot to 4 PCIe x4 slots is beyond me.
At the moment I have an interest in the PCIe x1 to x16 adapters like this
http://www.ebay.com/itm/PCI-Express-PCI-E-x1-to-x16-Powered-Riser-Card-w-60cm-USB-Cable-/271661230631
2011) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (91) Server Problems? (Message 1598508)
Posted 8 Nov 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Something is realy wrong with the servers, AP split is stuck for days and now the MB spliting seems to work very wierd too (15 channels in progress!).

Does anyone realy knows what is happening? I see the msg about bruno but that was days ago.

Are you still seeing to many AP channels in progress? It has been showing 7 for me since they took all of the AP services down the other day. Currently all of the AP services are still disabled so there are really 0 active.
However I do see 14 in progress MB. Which is interesting considering there are only 8 MB splitters. With 7 of then running.
2012) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (91) Server Problems? (Message 1598353)
Posted 8 Nov 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Lots of processes on the Server Status Page are presently not running/disabled (Validators, assimilators & AP splitters).
And those that say they are running, aren't. There are supposedly 6 PFB splitters running, but output has dropped to barely 10/s; that many splitters should be producing 30/s. Ready-to-send buffer is less than half full, so there should be no work to send in a hour or 3.
Hope they can sort it out soon, or it will be a weekend without any work.

Basically, every process that has to do with AP shows as disabled.

The AP science database is showing as running again. The rest of the AP processes still show disabled. Still, this is a good sign.

Maybe it will take overnight for marvin to get all synced up again?
2013) Message boards : Number crunching : Welcome to the 14 year club (Message 1598223)
Posted 7 Nov 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
There is a 15th Anni thread somewhere ....

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=75017
2014) Message boards : Number crunching : Need some guidance and advice on optimizing my optimized app. :-) (Message 1598210)
Posted 7 Nov 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Here is an example app_config.xml to run 2 of each application on a GPU. It would need to be tweaked for your exact preferred configuration.
<app_config>
	<app>
		<name>astropulse_v7</name>
		<gpu_versions>
			<gpu_usage>0.5</gpu_usage>
			<cpu_usage>0.5</cpu_usage>
		</gpu_versions>
	</app>
	<app>
		<name>setiathome_v7</name>
		<gpu_versions>
			<gpu_usage>0.5</gpu_usage>
			<cpu_usage>0.04</cpu_usage>
		</gpu_versions>
	</app>
</app_config>

Sounds like exactly what I want. Does app_config have any effect on the CPU apps?

I forgot to include the link to the full information for the app_config.xml.
It can effect the CPU apps by reserving CPU cores for the GPU apps. The above example would run 2 GPU AP tasks and reserve 1 CPU core total. So your host 5947619 would run 7 CPU & 2 GPU AP tasks at once, if there are no other restrictions set in BOINC.
2015) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (91) Server Problems? (Message 1598171)
Posted 7 Nov 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
This is new (at least for me):

Client says: Project is temporarily shut down for maintenance

But everything else is up and running?

Edit: There is lots of servers disabled in SSP

I'm not getting that response on my clients, but marvin, the Astropulse science database, is disabled. Along with all other AP things.
2016) Message boards : Number crunching : Need some guidance and advice on optimizing my optimized app. :-) (Message 1598169)
Posted 7 Nov 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Okay, so I downloaded the new new version and I'm reinstalling it yet again. On the first page where I have choices to make, it's defaulting to AVX for both AP and MB. Is that what I want?

Yes, if those are offered, they are likely to be the fastest options. But on the following (GPU) pages you have to make your own choice, with the help of the posters here. The installer isn't clever enough to help you choose between versions (if any) in those categories. Sorry about that.

Done. Now all it has to do is burn off some HP Einsteins and get fed some APs. I left the text file alone until I make sure it's running correctly with no switches applied. Then I'll try them again, without doing anything else to crash the video driver.


Instead of editing the app_info, make an app_config and apply the changes to that.

That way you won't have to update the app_info every time.

I looked at that, but the instructions weren't explicit enough for me. I'll look into it further when I'm not in a hurry.


Here is an example app_config.xml to run 2 of each application on a GPU. It would need to be tweaked for your exact preferred configuration.
<app_config>
	<app>
		<name>astropulse_v7</name>
		<gpu_versions>
			<gpu_usage>0.5</gpu_usage>
			<cpu_usage>0.5</cpu_usage>
		</gpu_versions>
	</app>
	<app>
		<name>setiathome_v7</name>
		<gpu_versions>
			<gpu_usage>0.5</gpu_usage>
			<cpu_usage>0.04</cpu_usage>
		</gpu_versions>
	</app>
</app_config>
2017) Message boards : Number crunching : AP V7 (Message 1597877)
Posted 6 Nov 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
My Atom N450 has finished it first two AP v7 7.00 Wu's, only 1.3 million seconds each (around 375 hours), that'll give NewCredit something to think about.

All tasks for computer 5365373

Now give me some more.

Claggy

Here I was thinking using an old Pentium III for AP was being silly.
2018) Message boards : Number crunching : remaining AP v6s (Message 1597837)
Posted 6 Nov 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Wooo.

1361 out
24 received
488.93 hours

Maybe they will be done by my birthday after all.

I have 4 left. Perhaps I should suspend them until after your B-Day?
2019) Message boards : Number crunching : Need some guidance and advice on optimizing my optimized app. :-) (Message 1597835)
Posted 6 Nov 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
... or maybe it's a result of me disabling the txt file with the switches in it.

How do you "disable the txt file"?

Do you delete the file (WRONG) or do you delete the contents (OK) so the file is empty?

I changed the file name. No?

You can't change the file name or delete the file. BOINC treats the .txt files much the same as the .exe or .dll files. If one is missing it dumps all of the work assigned to that app. Also I have found it removes the other files associated with in the <app> section of the app_info.xml as well.

Oh great. Am I going to have to reinstall Lunatics?

I guess that would be why it canceled all the others it had.

If you look in your project folder & find the .exe is gone. Then yes afraid so.

Sigh. Okay. While I'm at it, should I upgrade to .43a, or doesn't it offer any benefit for my hardware?

v0.43a contains the latest AP v7 released GPU apps. So it couldn't hurt to use them.
2020) Message boards : Number crunching : Need some guidance and advice on optimizing my optimized app. :-) (Message 1597526)
Posted 6 Nov 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
... or maybe it's a result of me disabling the txt file with the switches in it.

How do you "disable the txt file"?

Do you delete the file (WRONG) or do you delete the contents (OK) so the file is empty?

I changed the file name. No?

You can't change the file name or delete the file. BOINC treats the .txt files much the same as the .exe or .dll files. If one is missing it dumps all of the work assigned to that app. Also I have found it removes the other files associated with in the <app> section of the app_info.xml as well.

Oh great. Am I going to have to reinstall Lunatics?

I guess that would be why it canceled all the others it had.

If you look in your project folder & find the .exe is gone. Then yes afraid so.
2021) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (91) Server Problems? (Message 1597524)
Posted 6 Nov 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
There have been AP files loaded since just after Noon EST. If you look, One has progressed beyond the first channel, http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/sah_status.html
Actually, I think that's a Mistake as No APs have been Split as far as I can tell. I certainly haven't seen anything other than Resends since Saturday Morning.

Note to person that keeps loading new files, the first AP channel hasn't been split yet, adding more files will have No Effect.
Maybe if you remove the 28mr11ab file that's been stuck since Saturday morning? At least it would be a start...

01jl11ad looks to have 2 splittings running on it. Rather than a completed channel and working on the 2nd.
2022) Message boards : Number crunching : Need some guidance and advice on optimizing my optimized app. :-) (Message 1597512)
Posted 6 Nov 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
... or maybe it's a result of me disabling the txt file with the switches in it.

How do you "disable the txt file"?

Do you delete the file (WRONG) or do you delete the contents (OK) so the file is empty?

I changed the file name. No?

You can't change the file name or delete the file. BOINC treats the .txt files much the same as the .exe or .dll files. If one is missing it dumps all of the work assigned to that app. Also I have found it removes the other files associated with in the <app> section of the app_info.xml as well.
2023) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (91) Server Problems? (Message 1597510)
Posted 6 Nov 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
AP shows 14 channels in progress & there are only 7 AP splitters. So if there seems to be something strange a foot. At the present rate we will run out of MB before the AP are split. Which will be the first time in a long long long while.
2024) Message boards : Number crunching : increase time interval that computer connects to seti server (Message 1597504)
Posted 6 Nov 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I've found some projects you have to keep the network in BOINC active for them to operate. So I've been trying to work out how to do this as well.

So far the only way I have found is to use boinccmd in a batch file like this:
set sleeptime=900
:start
boinccmd --project http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/ allowmorework
boinccmd --project http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/ update
timeout 180 /NOBREAK
boinccmd --project http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/ nomorework
timeout %sleeptime% /NOBREAK
goto start

I think adding the option in BOINC for <min_tasks_reported>N</min_tasks_reported> might be a more ideal solution to keep a host from hammering a project at its sendwork interval.
2025) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (91) Server Problems? (Message 1597494)
Posted 6 Nov 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hi Folks,
Is it my imagination or is validation progressing faster since Bruno was taken off the job?

Regards,

Validation normally seems to happen in nearly real time to me. So long as both results are there to cause things to be validated.
2026) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (91) Server Problems? (Message 1597325)
Posted 5 Nov 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Perhaps it is nearing time to retire bruno.


Maybe replacement could be Muarae? #1 is running web-pages, #3 is "running" (disabled) ntpckr and rfi. One is running (maybe) Eric's GALFA -project.

What about rest of this "donated box - a 3U monster" as Matt calls it?

Hopefully they finished debating how to utilize that box fully long ago.
If required I'm sure a fundraiser to get a new system could be thrown together.
2027) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (91) Server Problems? (Message 1597296)
Posted 5 Nov 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
...
They've also re-started the validators which were shut down this morning, and already got through more than half the backlog (down to 400K tasks waiting, from a peak of 850K). Altogther, a good day's work.

The sah_validate processes for v7 have been moved from bruno to synergy, so somewhat more than just restarting. Down to 170 WUs waiting for validation as of 19:00:06 UTC.
                                                                   Joe

Perhaps it is nearing time to retire bruno.
I imagine setting up a new box & taking it down to the colo is on the guys list of favorite things to do.
2028) Message boards : Number crunching : cross-project statistics (Message 1597240)
Posted 5 Nov 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Is this not the information you are looking for, or are you wanting your % ranking by RAC?
Accumulated more credit than % of all SETI@Home Hosts: http://boincstats.com/en/stats/0/host/detail/7304674
Accumulated more credit than % of all Collatz Conjecture Hosts: http://boincstats.com/en/stats/86/host/detail/150402
Accumulated more credit than % of all MilkyWay@home Hosts: http://boincstats.com/en/stats/61/host/detail/590490
Accumulated more credit than % of all Einstein@Home Hosts: http://boincstats.com/en/stats/5/host/detail/11681239


Yeah, I don't necessarily want boincstats. On our account page there is a listing of different reporting sites.

What I was looking for was the total % by user not by host for that project.

A total % by project for me for each project.
seti 99.1% of all users
Einstein 97.2% of all users.
Combined 99.3% of all users.

I thought for sure it was something that everybody must know about but me.
With hindsight I should have just gone to the listing and searched myself, sorry for that.

Hmmm I'm not sure why I did that for a single host rather than your whole account. I blame it being morning. I think all of the listed stat sites give you the percentage ranking for your account.
Accumulated more credit than % of all SETI@Home Users: http://boincstats.com/en/stats/0/user/detail/97345
Overall Percentile: http://stats.free-dc.org/stats.php?page=user&proj=sah&name=97345
BOINC combined stats in their Project Rank Recent Average Credit: also adds the percent for RAC which is nice.

I normally use about 4 of the different stat sites to get all of the information I like to see. Sometimes I use another site just because I prefer how they present the information.
2029) Message boards : Number crunching : FYI: An Interesting Find About Heat Flow (Message 1597235)
Posted 5 Nov 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The air moving out of the radiator will, in almost every situation, be warmer than the incoming air. So you were blowing the hot air from the radiator down into the case. Rather then expelling it.
Unless you remove the hot air quickly it will always lead to increased temperatures inside the case.
2030) Message boards : Number crunching : slot problem (Message 1597204)
Posted 5 Nov 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
When a task is running and then going into waiting, normally because another task preempts it by running in High Priority, a new slot folder is made for the newly started task. The older folder is left intact to keep track of where that previously running task was at in processing.
If your machine was off for a few days it may take a little while for it to catch up & go back to only using slow folders 0 to 9 (or however many tasks your systems runs at once).
2031) Message boards : Number crunching : APv7-related issues and errors (Message 1597198)
Posted 5 Nov 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I update my drivers regularly. This morning double-check returned this: Windows has determined the driver software for your device is up to date. Device: AMD Radeon HD 6850. The core has 12 x Intel(R) Core(TM) i7--3930K CPU @3.20 GHz. The only other AMD device in my system is an audio card. All drivers are up-to-date. Any more tactful, helpful suggestions?

Your driver and sdk version from your most recently returned result.

OpenCL Platform Name: AMD Accelerated Parallel Processing
Number of devices: 1
Max compute units: 12
Max work group size: 256
Max clock frequency: 775Mhz
Max memory allocation: 536870912
Cache type: None
Cache line size: 0
Cache size: 0
Global memory size: 1073741824
Constant buffer size: 65536
Max number of constant args: 8
Local memory type: Scratchpad
Local memory size: 32768
Queue properties:
Out-of-Order: No
Name: Barts
Vendor: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.
Driver version: CAL 1.4.1720 (VM)
Version: OpenCL 1.1 AMD-APP-SDK-v2.5 (793.1)


Cat 12.4 driver with OpenCL from Cat 11.11. That is likely to cause trouble. Using DDU to clean the old driver & reinstalling with a installer package to have matching versions is probably your best bet.
2032) Message boards : Number crunching : cross-project statistics (Message 1597197)
Posted 5 Nov 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Is this not the information you are looking for, or are you wanting your % ranking by RAC?
Accumulated more credit than % of all SETI@Home Hosts: http://boincstats.com/en/stats/0/host/detail/7304674
Accumulated more credit than % of all Collatz Conjecture Hosts: http://boincstats.com/en/stats/86/host/detail/150402
Accumulated more credit than % of all MilkyWay@home Hosts: http://boincstats.com/en/stats/61/host/detail/590490
Accumulated more credit than % of all Einstein@Home Hosts: http://boincstats.com/en/stats/5/host/detail/11681239
2033) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (91) Server Problems? (Message 1596677)
Posted 3 Nov 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Maybe it´s better you all wait for the fix drinking some beers as i allready doing now. :)

Before I left work I issued boinccmd --set_network_mode never 43200 to all of my machines. So that they will not be needlessly trying to upload things all night if it remain knackered. If everything is working again before the lads leave for the evening. Then the machines will resume uploads on their own around 04:00 for me. If not I'll tell them to hold off for another 12 hours.
2034) Message boards : Number crunching : you can put a light fixture on a timer. why not a computer? (Message 1596567)
Posted 3 Nov 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thanks Hal,

And I had better shut up now before I reveal how little common sense I really have.

It's OK I think we already know. :P
2035) Message boards : Number crunching : you can put a light fixture on a timer. why not a computer? (Message 1596547)
Posted 3 Nov 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have never heard of a timer you can use to automatically turn on a computer.
There probably isn't such a thing. Why can you do that with a light fixture but not a computer.

Computers have been able to do that for 15, maybe even 20, years now. The old 10-12 year Dell machines we had in our cubes at work had the function for that.
However not all manufactures implement the function. The ASRock manual for your newest system doesn't mention it for instance. They could have added it later in a BIOS/UEFI update, or just forgotten to mention it in the manual.

A work around if the BIOS does not support the function. Tell windows to sleep instead of power down. Then you can time when you want it to wake up. It is not as good a solution as having the MB handle it, but it can have your desired effect.

A third option if you have 1 machines on all the time. It to have it send a wake up command over the network to turn the others on.
2036) Message boards : Number crunching : intel gpu error haswell ( solved with workaround ) (Message 1596457)
Posted 3 Nov 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The r2061 is an older build. Have you tried a more recent app? The current build r2489 is in the Lunatics v0.43, or v0.43a windows installer.
2037) Message boards : Number crunching : AP V7 (Message 1595849)
Posted 2 Nov 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Any ideas?

Edit..

OK, so it's the same problem that others have seen and they are working on. What I get for not paying more attention the first time around. Sorry about that folks. I know they are working on a fix for it now. Everyone have a good night

Zalster

Was that with r2721 or r2737?
2038) Message boards : Number crunching : SETI Server architecture Q (Message 1595791)
Posted 2 Nov 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Matt used to give a lot of detail about things in the Technical News posts. You may be able to get the exact information you are looking for from reading all of them.
2039) Message boards : Number crunching : what constitutes a validate? (Message 1595710)
Posted 1 Nov 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
What you see on the webpage for the results in the <stderr_txt> is not the result file being used for comparison. It is just some extra info we can look at & sometimes use to determine what is going on.
2040) Message boards : Number crunching : MB temps per HW Monitor (Message 1595635)
Posted 1 Nov 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I wish someone would come out with a new version of the old Motherboard Monitor. It was a great tool.
I use CPUID's HWMonitor, HWINFO, & the software from my MB manufacture. Normally they all agree about everything, but each tool has it's own quirks. I don't run them constantly as I have everything in the system configured to run within acceptable parameters. So when I do run them I figure so long as 2 of them agree then that value is probably correct.
The 75ºC is probably a null sensor that HWMonitor is reading. Polling data in a sensor field when there is no sensor connected. Sometimes it hiccups & shows me a max temp of 254ºC, or fan speeds of 30000 RPM.
2041) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (91) Server Problems? (Message 1595332)
Posted 1 Nov 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
It looks like yesterday & today when the server went a bit wonky, fora, & other pages loaded slowly lines up with the time the stats were generated.

Are all of the results that have not been assimilated & purged bogging down the server? Perhaps there is some kind of odd fall out from the most recent hard crash?
2042) Message boards : Number crunching : "Zombie" AP tasks - still alive in AP v7 (Message 1595069)
Posted 31 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
David has checked in an api fix:

http://boinc.berkeley.edu/gitweb/?p=boinc-v2.git;a=commit;h=f0c39bdf5117d8f7dd5092033971d7f700bd22dc

API: fix bug where app doesn't exit if client dies while app in critical section

There were two parts to this:
- In the timer thread, we need to check for client death even if
we're in a critical section.
If both conditions hold, set the no_heartbeat status flag.
- In boinc_end_critical_section(), check no_heartbeat and exit if set.

Also: the various checks in boinc_end_critical_section()
(quit, abort, no heartbeat) should be conditioned on
options.direct_process_action.
Otherwise wrappers that use critical sections won't do the right thing.


Claggy

So... now all that is left is to recompile all the apps, verify it works or nothing new is broken, & then deploy. You know, the simple part.
2043) Message boards : Cafe SETI : are you folks all retired like me that you can put in so much time on this? (Message 1595064)
Posted 31 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
i get paid to find aliens

I get paid to break things & goof of at work. Well I don't get paid specifically to goof off, but I goof off while I am getting paid.

Also I am a very long way from retirement. In about 30 years I will start thinking about retirement.
2044) Message boards : Number crunching : AstroPulse Work Fetch Thread (Message 1595062)
Posted 31 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
It looks like the (client flops * initial inflation number) is around 20 or so. Is that a project setting or a hard codded in the guts of the BOINC server code value?

Which exact figures are you comparing, for which type of application, and what hardware? It would be easier to do a specific answer than a general one to that question.

I was looking at the AP CPU estimated times vs actual run times. With the estimated time of 72 hours & run time of around 3.5 hours.
2045) Message boards : Number crunching : AstroPulse Work Fetch Thread (Message 1594970)
Posted 31 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
It looks like the (client flops * initial inflation number) is around 20 or so. Is that a project setting or a hard codded in the guts of the BOINC server code value?
2046) Message boards : Number crunching : remaining AP v6s (Message 1594967)
Posted 31 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
You are probably thinking of the old http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/server_status.php that Sten-Arne mentioned before. After the change for MB v7 on http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/sah_status.html the older Server Status was disabled.

I am indeed talking about that page. I mentioned it in the second post of this thread:
I guess it doesn't help this time around that the project status page that we used before doesn't seem to work and, the server status page will switch over to showing what's going on with v7. At some point, I assume us enthusiasts will be in the dark as to just how many are left.


I guess that got overlooked and I decided to make a more elaborate explanation of it for the newcomers that didn't participate in the last countdown thread. :)

Yep, I knew it was mentioned previously. So I just went back though & flagged the most recent instead of the first one. D'oh
2047) Message boards : Number crunching : AstroPulse Work Fetch Thread (Message 1594935)
Posted 31 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Here's an obvious suggestion. Try setting the CPU task Flops so the estimate is around 200 hours per task. My two machines have estimates of 142 & 180 hours. I've already stated setting the CPU estimates to a normal 9.5 hours fixed the Vista machine. So, one would assume raising the value could break a machine. You might need to have at least two GPU cards installed.

I can setup BOINC with the same values from your Vista machine.
Measured floating point speed 2803.23 million ops/sec
Measured integer speed 5628.29 million ops/sec

That should give me the exact same CPU estimates as your system. Then if I get the same results I can move both of my 6870's into one system and see what happens.
2048) Message boards : Number crunching : electrical values at idle - from the bios (Message 1594872)
Posted 31 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
BilBg,

12v - 11.932
5v - 5.064
3.3v - 3.360

Are these values ok for idle?

You can always reply to a comment in your previous thread instead of making a new one if you want to.

Your voltages are within specification.


Everything in your system should operate within those same spec. However having one component at one end of the spec with another at the other can be troublesome.
2049) Message boards : Number crunching : AP V7 (Message 1594869)
Posted 31 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
HAL9000 wrote:
I have an old first gen Intel iMAC. I noticed it wasn't downloading and AP v7 work. I seem to recall hearing that 64-bit Intel was going to be a requirement for future releases? Looking at the list of apps I see "Mac OS/X 10.3+ 7.00" under AP v7. Is that an app for PPC and/or hardware with OS X.3?


Seems to be for PPC anyway. My G5 (PPC, running OS X 10.5) downloaded it and a task this morning and seems to have got through the first hour OK.

I figured it would be for that. Good to know for sure. PPC & 64-bit Intel are much large groups than 32-bit Intel in MAC land.
2050) Message boards : Number crunching : remaining AP v6s (Message 1594867)
Posted 31 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Results received in last hour: 16
Result turnaround time (last hour average): 826.87 hours

That 'average turnaround' time is over 33 days - substantially more than the 25 day deadline. We really are getting down to the sticky tar deposits at the bottom of the barrel.

I swear I'm going through my last 11 as fast as the ole iMAC can muster!
The other machines in the same venue finished their AP v6 long ago & have not received any more for several days.
2051) Message boards : Number crunching : AstroPulse Work Fetch Thread (Message 1594752)
Posted 31 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I didn't end up setting up my system to test until I got home from work. Instead of at lunch like I had planned. So host 7421701 is now, after a server hiccup, moving right along. With cache settings of 10 & 10. The first request gave me 4 CPU task. Then the second netted 2 GPU &then 3 more GPU on the 3rd request as well.The fourth resulted in 3 GPU & 1 CPU. With CPU estimates at 72 hours it did fill up on CPU eventually.
At the moment the CPU tasks are running in High Priority & BOINC is still requesting more GPU work. Which looks like this:

That's nice, so why do you suppose my 3 Core2Quads were so different? You saw all 3 of them loading nothing but CPU tasks. They did start loading GPU tasks after the CPU run finished. The results from one Core2Quad is above. The major difference would appear to be you have a newer/faster CPU and just one card. That card seems to have a much faster FLOPS listed in the results - 4,032.00 GFLOPS. Mine are lower even though one is the same card, Device peak FLOPS 1,008.00 GFLOPS, http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/result.php?resultid=3809653402
Other differences are my Vista machine had a CPU estimate of 180 hours where you say yours was 72 hours, and the Vista GPU says 422.26 GFLOPS.

I have to agree with Joe, my Mac should have been receiving GPU tasks but it wasn't. It use to, up until that day Claggy remarked about the change, I had witnessed the change myself and was glad someone else noticed it. It's been that way ever since. I guess I'm going to have to run that XP test now.

On second thought, I just checked my Mountain Lion Host. That Host has only one completed GPU APv7 and No CPU APv7s. It would be much easier to test that machine.

It is curious as to why the behavior is different. I could run a similar test on my i7-860 w/ a 5750 or my i3-390m w/ a 6360m if you think the slower CPU might be a factor. I could always load up Vista on the i7 as well, but I really don't think the OS should be a factor. Unless there is code in the BOINC Client to act differently with different OS versions.

I'm not sure which mechanism is responsible for generating the Device peak FLOPS, but bumping the GPU clock will give a higher value in the results. HD 6870 @ 4256 GFLOPS with a 950MHz clock.
Mine is displaying twice what it should & yours is showing half of what it should. Looking at some old AP v6 results with Cat 11.12 my GFLOPS looks like it is always double what it should be.
HD 5750 @ 2016 GFLOPS & HD 6870 @ 4097 GFLOPS

Also the 6870 GPU estimates for my host are 00:50:32.
2052) Message boards : Number crunching : AstroPulse Work Fetch Thread (Message 1594708)
Posted 31 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
BTW, I was going to run another test with a Host running XP that hasn't completed any APv7 tasks to see how it worked with the CPU panic. It's the same machine that runs Ubuntu and Vista. I already know how Vista responded and since entering a flops setting cured it, I have a good idea of the problem.

If it would help in some way I'll run the test. I'll have to stop Ubuntu and remove the ATI 7750 to run XP, but I'm willing if it would help.

I didn't end up setting up my system to test until I got home from work. Instead of at lunch like I had planned. So host 7421701 is now, after a server hiccup, moving right along. With cache settings of 10 & 10. The first request gave me 4 CPU task. Then the second netted 2 GPU &then 3 more GPU on the 3rd request as well.The fourth resulted in 3 GPU & 1 CPU. With CPU estimates at 72 hours it did fill up on CPU eventually.
At the moment the CPU tasks are running in High Priority & BOINC is still requesting more GPU work. Which looks like this:
30-Oct-2014 22:04:50 [SETI@home] update requested by user
30-Oct-2014 22:04:50 [---] [work_fetch] Request work fetch: project updated by user
30-Oct-2014 22:04:51 [---] [work_fetch] Request work fetch: Backoff ended for SETI@home
30-Oct-2014 22:04:53 [SETI@home] sched RPC pending: Requested by user
30-Oct-2014 22:04:53 [---] [work_fetch] ------- start work fetch state -------
30-Oct-2014 22:04:53 [---] [work_fetch] target work buffer: 864000.00 + 864000.00 sec
30-Oct-2014 22:04:53 [---] [work_fetch] --- project states ---
30-Oct-2014 22:04:53 [SETI@home] [work_fetch] REC 918.485 prio -1.062815 can req work
30-Oct-2014 22:04:53 [---] [work_fetch] --- state for CPU ---
30-Oct-2014 22:04:53 [---] [work_fetch] shortfall 0.00 nidle 0.00 saturated 1759988.16 busy 520380.60
30-Oct-2014 22:04:53 [SETI@home] [work_fetch] fetch share 1.000
30-Oct-2014 22:04:53 [---] [work_fetch] --- state for ATI ---
30-Oct-2014 22:04:53 [---] [work_fetch] shortfall 1661715.23 nidle 0.00 saturated 66284.77 busy 0.00
30-Oct-2014 22:04:53 [SETI@home] [work_fetch] fetch share 1.000
30-Oct-2014 22:04:53 [---] [work_fetch] ------- end work fetch state -------
30-Oct-2014 22:04:53 [SETI@home] [work_fetch] set_request() for ATI: ninst 1 nused_total 22.000000 nidle_now 0.000000 fetch share 1.000000 req_inst 0.000000 req_secs 1661715.230675
30-Oct-2014 22:04:53 [SETI@home] [sched_op] Starting scheduler request
30-Oct-2014 22:04:53 [SETI@home] [work_fetch] request: CPU (0.00 sec, 0.00 inst) ATI (1661715.23 sec, 0.00 inst)
30-Oct-2014 22:04:53 [SETI@home] Sending scheduler request: Requested by user.
30-Oct-2014 22:04:53 [SETI@home] Requesting new tasks for ATI
30-Oct-2014 22:04:53 [SETI@home] [sched_op] CPU work request: 0.00 seconds; 0.00 devices
30-Oct-2014 22:04:53 [SETI@home] [sched_op] ATI work request: 1661715.23 seconds; 0.00 devices
30-Oct-2014 22:04:57 [SETI@home] Scheduler request completed: got 4 new tasks
30-Oct-2014 22:04:57 [SETI@home] [sched_op] Server version 705
30-Oct-2014 22:04:57 [SETI@home] Project requested delay of 303 seconds
30-Oct-2014 22:04:57 [SETI@home] [sched_op] estimated total CPU task duration: 0 seconds
30-Oct-2014 22:04:57 [SETI@home] [sched_op] estimated total ATI task duration: 12201 seconds
30-Oct-2014 22:04:57 [SETI@home] [sched_op] Deferring communication for 00:05:03
30-Oct-2014 22:04:57 [SETI@home] [sched_op] Reason: requested by project
30-Oct-2014 22:04:57 [---] [work_fetch] Request work fetch: RPC complete
30-Oct-2014 22:04:59 [SETI@home] Started download of ap_21no10aa_B0_P1_00009_20141030_31068.wu
30-Oct-2014 22:04:59 [SETI@home] Started download of ap_14oc11aa_B5_P0_00306_20141030_31508.wu
30-Oct-2014 22:04:59 [SETI@home] Started download of ap_14oc11aa_B4_P1_00304_20141030_30570.wu
30-Oct-2014 22:04:59 [SETI@home] Started download of ap_19se10aa_B1_P0_00028_20141030_29187.wu
30-Oct-2014 22:05:02 [---] [work_fetch] entering choose_project()
30-Oct-2014 22:05:02 [---] [work_fetch] ------- start work fetch state -------
30-Oct-2014 22:05:02 [---] [work_fetch] target work buffer: 864000.00 + 864000.00 sec
30-Oct-2014 22:05:02 [---] [work_fetch] --- project states ---
30-Oct-2014 22:05:02 [SETI@home] [work_fetch] REC 918.485 prio -0.067854 can't req work: scheduler RPC backoff (backoff: 297.99 sec)
30-Oct-2014 22:05:02 [---] [work_fetch] --- state for CPU ---
30-Oct-2014 22:05:02 [---] [work_fetch] shortfall 0.00 nidle 0.00 saturated 1759849.30 busy 520380.60
30-Oct-2014 22:05:02 [SETI@home] [work_fetch] fetch share 0.000
30-Oct-2014 22:05:02 [---] [work_fetch] --- state for ATI ---
30-Oct-2014 22:05:02 [---] [work_fetch] shortfall 1649532.76 nidle 0.00 saturated 78467.24 busy 0.00
30-Oct-2014 22:05:02 [SETI@home] [work_fetch] fetch share 0.000
30-Oct-2014 22:05:02 [---] [work_fetch] ------- end work fetch state -------
30-Oct-2014 22:05:02 [---] [work_fetch] No project chosen for work fetch
30-Oct-2014 22:05:30 [SETI@home] Finished download of ap_19se10aa_B1_P0_00028_20141030_29187.wu
30-Oct-2014 22:05:47 [SETI@home] Finished download of ap_14oc11aa_B5_P0_00306_20141030_31508.wu
30-Oct-2014 22:05:47 [SETI@home] Finished download of ap_14oc11aa_B4_P1_00304_20141030_30570.wu
30-Oct-2014 22:05:52 [SETI@home] Finished download of ap_21no10aa_B0_P1_00009_20141030_31068.wu
30-Oct-2014 22:06:02 [---] [work_fetch] entering choose_project()
30-Oct-2014 22:06:02 [---] [work_fetch] ------- start work fetch state -------
30-Oct-2014 22:06:02 [---] [work_fetch] target work buffer: 864000.00 + 864000.00 sec
30-Oct-2014 22:06:02 [---] [work_fetch] --- project states ---
30-Oct-2014 22:06:02 [SETI@home] [work_fetch] REC 927.193 prio -0.067791 can't req work: scheduler RPC backoff (backoff: 237.85 sec)
30-Oct-2014 22:06:02 [---] [work_fetch] --- state for CPU ---
30-Oct-2014 22:06:02 [---] [work_fetch] shortfall 0.00 nidle 0.00 saturated 1758604.78 busy 520380.59
30-Oct-2014 22:06:02 [SETI@home] [work_fetch] fetch share 0.000
30-Oct-2014 22:06:02 [---] [work_fetch] --- state for ATI ---
30-Oct-2014 22:06:02 [---] [work_fetch] shortfall 1649609.90 nidle 0.00 saturated 78390.10 busy 0.00
30-Oct-2014 22:06:02 [SETI@home] [work_fetch] fetch share 0.000
30-Oct-2014 22:06:02 [---] [work_fetch] ------- end work fetch state -------
30-Oct-2014 22:06:02 [---] [work_fetch] No project chosen for work fetch
30-Oct-2014 22:07:02 [---] [work_fetch] entering choose_project()
30-Oct-2014 22:07:02 [---] [work_fetch] ------- start work fetch state -------
30-Oct-2014 22:07:02 [---] [work_fetch] target work buffer: 864000.00 + 864000.00 sec
30-Oct-2014 22:07:02 [---] [work_fetch] --- project states ---
30-Oct-2014 22:07:02 [SETI@home] [work_fetch] REC 935.220 prio -0.067699 can't req work: scheduler RPC backoff (backoff: 177.84 sec)
30-Oct-2014 22:07:02 [---] [work_fetch] --- state for CPU ---
30-Oct-2014 22:07:02 [---] [work_fetch] shortfall 0.00 nidle 0.00 saturated 1757892.30 busy 520380.59
30-Oct-2014 22:07:02 [SETI@home] [work_fetch] fetch share 0.000
30-Oct-2014 22:07:02 [---] [work_fetch] --- state for ATI ---
30-Oct-2014 22:07:02 [---] [work_fetch] shortfall 1649702.53 nidle 0.00 saturated 78297.47 busy 0.00
30-Oct-2014 22:07:02 [SETI@home] [work_fetch] fetch share 0.000
30-Oct-2014 22:07:02 [---] [work_fetch] ------- end work fetch state -------
30-Oct-2014 22:07:02 [---] [work_fetch] No project chosen for work fetch
2053) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (91) Server Problems? (Message 1594630)
Posted 30 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Starting around 21:45 UTC I have only been getting these responses on my machines.
SETI@home Scheduler request failed: HTTP internal server error
SETI@home Scheduler request failed: Couldn't connect to server

Also bringing up any pages to look at my tasks are being routed through molasses it seems.

The database is having another another slow period again it seems as it's taking a while to get an update on my tasks pages.

Cheers.

Probably all those pent up tasks needing assimilation & purging.
2054) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (91) Server Problems? (Message 1594625)
Posted 30 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Starting around 21:45 UTC I have only been getting these responses on my machines.
SETI@home Scheduler request failed: HTTP internal server error
SETI@home Scheduler request failed: Couldn't connect to server

Also bringing up any pages to look at my tasks are being routed through molasses it seems.
2055) Message boards : Number crunching : remaining AP v6s (Message 1594620)
Posted 30 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Is there a different page where one can view the AP V7 server status?

All I know about is http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/sah_status.html

Made it clickable.

Also, yes, back when we migrated to MBv7, the Server Status Page (SSP) showed the v6 stats for a week or two, and then Matt changed some of the values in the database queries that make the page, and the stats began reflecting the [at the time] current v7 tasks.

There was another page that we were using, that has no public links to get to it (you just have to know it is there, or find somebody who posted a link to it in a forum thread somewhere) that showed the stats for all three kinds of work that was active with the database: MBv6, MBv7, APv6. That page is what we were using for this count-down game when MBv6 was dwindling down to zero.

What I figure will happen again is that before long, the SSP will be updated to reflect APv7, and since that other page is just a blank page now, us curious enthusiasts will have no way of knowing the state of APv6 anymore.

So.. enjoy it while it lasts. Unless that other page gets fixed/enabled, we may never know when APv6 is officially done and there are no more WUs awaiting results. An obvious clue is going to be when those old WUs begin disappearing from our task pages, but maybe that's just assimilation and not necessarily a sign that ALL of them are gone for good.

You are probably thinking of the old http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/server_status.php that Sten-Arne mentioned before. After the change for MB v7 on http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/sah_status.html the older Server Status was disabled.
2056) Message boards : Number crunching : adding to rig with r9 280x (Message 1594446)
Posted 30 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Since BOINC won't by default use both GPUs when different, there is an option in cc_config.xml to force it to use all gpus:

<use_all_gpus>1</use_all_gpus>

make sure you include that when you use both cards.

And make sure both cards are included in the BOINC startup messages.



Thanks jravin for the reminder.

From what has been said I probably could go for the r9 270x instead, for another $10.

Thanks Hal

11-13% more performance for only $10 is a pretty good deal. Sure you don't want to splurge and just get a 2nd R9 280X? :P
2057) Message boards : Number crunching : adding to rig with r9 280x (Message 1594417)
Posted 30 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Would there be a problem adding a r9 270 drawing 150 watts to my i7 4790K with a r9 280x? I just checked my watt meter and I'm only drawing 310 watts with boinc running. I have an 850 watt gold PSU.

I have been told there are some various technical problems with combining different amd models on the same machine.

Thanks

The issues when mixing different speed GPUs are normally when they are drastically different in speed. The R9 270 is about 60% the speed of the R2 280X.

Also at present whatever app settings you make to tune one GPU will apply to the other. Which may not be ideal for one GPU & can cause it to generate errors. You may have to set the tune settings for a middle of the ground settings. So that both GPUs will be happy.
I think Raistmer said a new app version will allow per card settings, but it is not current released so no need to worry about using it yet.

Powerwise you would probably be OK. With 400w of GPUs that is 33.3 Amps. With the other 12v items in your machines that would probably put the load up near 42A or so. What is the total 12v output on your PSU?
2058) Message boards : Number crunching : AstroPulse Work Fetch Thread (Message 1594399)
Posted 30 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Yesterday after AP work started going out I checked my two i5-4670K systems with BOINC 7.2.42 to see how they were getting work. Most requests would only send 3 or 4 tasks at a time. Sometimes they would be all CPU, sometimes they would be all ATI, but most of the time it would be a mix of CPU & ATI. I didn't have any extra debug flags set as this was more of a "let's see what BOINC does with how I'm setup now" test.
When I go home for lunch I'll setup a new BOINC instance with debug flags set to see how it operates from the perspective of a new host.
2059) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (91) Server Problems? (Message 1594159)
Posted 30 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
When will I get APs for NVIDIA? I really want some.

Thursday the 18th at 17:22 UTC.

Looks like you did have 36 on one of your machines but they all got marked as timed out just a short bit ago.
2060) Message boards : Number crunching : AstroPulse Work Fetch Thread (Message 1594006)
Posted 29 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
It's odd. Now that we are looking at it. My host 5837483 received 4 GPU tasks in a work fetch request before the CPU limit was hit.
2061) Message boards : Number crunching : resetting memory clock for amd r9 280x (Message 1593845)
Posted 29 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I has a problem with the memory adjustment not working on my HD 5750. I set it to minimum, applied it, waited for it to show in GPUz, & then moved it back up to the value I wanted.
Probably a bug in the GUI. I would guess related to the occasional crashing of CCC.
2062) Message boards : Number crunching : AP V7 (Message 1593842)
Posted 29 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

Did anyone ever submit a reasonable reason for not just having Plain APs as you suggested a while back? I can't think of any reason to have device restrictions.

What do you mean??? There is no difference between CPU and GPU AP tasks at all. Not even some scheduler rules as for VLAR MB...

The VLARs are the only problem, since those are kept from the GPUs. What I mean is why do I have AstroPulse v7 Anonymous platform (ATI GPU) And AstroPulse v7 Anonymous platform (CPU). Why not just AstroPulse v7 Anonymous platform. Then the Manager wouldn't have to limit the tasks to certain devices. That way you wouldn't get stuck with 79 CPU tasks that would take over 10 days to complete on the CPUs or only 11 hours to complete on the GPUs. The tasks could be sent to the GPUs or CPUs depending on which device needed them. I'm pretty sure that's what Claggy was suggesting back in one of those old CreditFew threads.

Hmmm, seems I have more CPU resends.

Ah you just want a general pool of tasks on the client end and then let the client process them on the hardware as it sees fit. Other than the issues that the BOINC devs would have to overcome for that to happen, of which I imagine there would be a few, it seems like a logical way to do things. I think several people have suggested BOINC work like this since GPU crunched started. How other projects would handle such a change is really the issue.
2063) Message boards : Number crunching : Lunatics Windows Installer v0.43 Release Notes (Message 1593618)
Posted 29 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Wedge & Raistmer,

Thanks for the additional info! FYI: I haven't done any experimenting yet - still in getting "up to speed" mode.

I did a quick read through of the links posted here regarding TdrDelay, etc. and found some discrepancies between MS's info and my version of Windows - which I don't understand yet. That is, when I use RegEdit to look at TdrDelay, I noticed that my Windows doesn't have most of the other Tdr related variables listed in the articles. Not sure if this is because the MS articles were mainly referring to Win8 and I have Win7 or if there may be another reason - e.g. I used a Norton Utilities type program a while back to "fix" some registry problems. I also noticed that my TdrDelay was set to 8 - not the default value of 2 - but I have never tinkered with these settings before.

Haven't gotten to the "Read Me" file yet but I appreciate the guidance relative to N value settings. I am sure it will save me a lot of time experimenting.

I have a lot on my plate for the next few days, so I probably won't get back to this until next week sometime. But I will keep the current WU suspended until I do. And I will report back on any successes and/or failures.

Again, thanks to everyone who responded for the help.

Stick

Any missing values are running at predefined default levels. Unless an entry is specifically created to change the value. Only items you want to change would need to be created. Instead of adding them all.
It is possible that your Norton software, or another application, added some values or changed some other settings from default.
2064) Message boards : Number crunching : Lunatics Windows Installer v0.43 Release Notes (Message 1593612)
Posted 29 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I also thought thousands was a bit excessive but I think someone on the boards suggested it at that time. I'll try what you suggested should APs run out again.

I tend to stick with latest stable drivers on the APUs as well. I didn't get to the point of BSoDs, just driver restarts.

I think the primary cause of video driver restarts in Windows is over aggressive crash detection. It is a bit of the "There was nothing wrong but we fixed it for you" I think.
I imagine if the video driver was actually crashing as often as Windows thinks it was I would have lockups or BSOD happening now instead. Which I don't.
2065) Message boards : Number crunching : display driver stopped and now wu is stalled (Message 1593497)
Posted 28 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Test copy to SIV64 -- using 2 wu's with the gpu:

Well I tried to click the X button to close that. I should go back to bed... if only I wasn't at work. Defiantly going to one of those kind of days.
2066) Message boards : Number crunching : AP V7 (Message 1593263)
Posted 28 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
...I would have set it up to request AP work, but knowing the AP coffers are dry that would have not been very fruitful.

I can repeat this once we have AP to spare again. However, I do suspect that it will take more than 3 request for work to fill the host queue to the limit with AP. Looking in my logs the most AP I have had in one request looks to be 7 in the past several weeks.

Yes, MBs are not APs. I was going to ask, then decided to check myself. I just checked two of your Hosts. One only had a couple resends, the other looked just like my Host, http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/results.php?hostid=5255585
All the resends since the well ran dry went to the CPU. I'm going to check a few others. Well, checking other hosts is too much work. Apparently quite a few had full CPU caches using MBs. My CPU cache has room for resends, the GPU cache has much more room though. Anyone else have room in both caches and receiving just CPU AP resends?

Only 3 of my hosts are configured for CPU & GPU AP only. Hosts 5837483, 5255585, & 7324426. I was going to do some benchmarking on host 7395996, but then we switched to AP v7. On my notebook 5838375. I can run CPU tasks or GPU tasks, but not both due to overheating. Maybe if I stick it outside in the winter...
Everything else runs CPU only for MB or AP. With the exception of 6727898. Which runs CPU & GPU MB with an old NV 8500 GT.

Host 5837483 has has surprisingly bad luck getting any resends. While 5255585 has been filling up. With AP luck of the draw is a wildcard in the calculation as well.
2067) Message boards : Number crunching : Lunatics Windows Installer v0.43 Release Notes (Message 1593237)
Posted 28 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Stick & Wedge,
You might just need to tweak some of the Windows OS video watchdog settings.

See more details here: http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=75324&postid=1553652#1553652

If bumping up the TdrDelay doesn't work you might want to just disable it with the TdrLevel setting.
2068) Message boards : Number crunching : iGPU tuning (Message 1593235)
Posted 28 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Are there tools to monitor cache thrashing or memory bus saturation?

You may try PerfMonitor
http://www.cpuid.com/softwares/perfmonitor2.html
http://www.cpuid.com/softwares/perfmonitor.html

Unfortunately PerfMonitor does not even display the cache info for my BayTrail system. Which I'll be using as a basis of comparison to my Haswell system. It also seems to have an issue showing information sometimes. Much like HWMonitor will sometimes be missing some of the readings until it is restarted a few times.
2069) Message boards : Number crunching : AP V7 (Message 1593227)
Posted 28 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
So I setup a new instance of BOINC using 7.2.42. I attached to SETI@home & here are the results of the work requests
27-Oct-2014 21:49:17 [http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/] Master file download succeeded
27-Oct-2014 21:49:22 [http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/] Sending scheduler request: Project initialization.
27-Oct-2014 21:49:22 [http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/] Requesting new tasks for CPU and intel_gpu
27-Oct-2014 21:49:24 [SETI@home] Scheduler request completed: got 1 new tasks
27-Oct-2014 21:49:24 [SETI@home] General prefs: from SETI@home (last modified 27-Oct-2014 21:46:53)
27-Oct-2014 21:49:24 [SETI@home] Host location: none
27-Oct-2014 21:49:24 [SETI@home] General prefs: using your defaults
Received 1 task for CPU.

27-Oct-2014 21:55:46 [SETI@home] update requested by user
27-Oct-2014 21:55:49 [SETI@home] Sending scheduler request: Requested by user.
27-Oct-2014 21:55:49 [SETI@home] Requesting new tasks for CPU and intel_gpu
27-Oct-2014 21:55:52 [SETI@home] Scheduler request completed: got 67 new tasks
Received 67 tasks for iGPU .

27-Oct-2014 22:03:11 [SETI@home] update requested by user
27-Oct-2014 22:03:13 [SETI@home] Sending scheduler request: Requested by user.
27-Oct-2014 22:03:13 [SETI@home] Requesting new tasks for CPU and intel_gpu
27-Oct-2014 22:03:17 [SETI@home] Scheduler request completed: got 132 new tasks
Received 132 tasks for CPU & iGPU filling the host queue to its limit of 200 tasks.

The task list shows matches times for the work requests with my timezone of UTC -4(US EDT) this time of year.

The venue settings are for a cache of 10 & 10 (20 day cache) & MB only for this test. I would have set it up to request AP work, but knowing the AP coffers are dry that would have not been very fruitful.

I can repeat this once we have AP to spare again. However, I do suspect that it will take more than 3 request for work to fill the host queue to the limit with AP. Looking in my logs the most AP I have had in one request looks to be 7 in the past several weeks.
2070) Message boards : Number crunching : remaining AP v6s (Message 1593117)
Posted 27 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
My old iMAC that can't run AP v7 has not received a new AP v6 task to crunch since the 25th.
The end is neigh! The end is neigh! The end is neigh!

However I do know of at least one task that isn't going to be returned on time and will be sent out again on 2014-11-05 due to a failed machine.
2071) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (91) Server Problems? (Message 1593113)
Posted 27 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
And then I had no more work...

27/10/2014 22:09:56 | SETI@home | Reporting 1 completed tasks
27/10/2014 22:09:56 | SETI@home | Requesting new tasks for AMD/ATI GPU
27/10/2014 22:09:56 | SETI@home | [sched_op] CPU work request: 0.00 seconds; 0.00 devices
27/10/2014 22:09:56 | SETI@home | [sched_op] AMD/ATI GPU work request: 90720.00 seconds; 1.00 devices
27/10/2014 22:09:58 | SETI@home | Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks
27/10/2014 22:09:58 | SETI@home | [sched_op] Server version 705
27/10/2014 22:09:58 | SETI@home | No tasks sent
27/10/2014 22:09:58 | SETI@home | No tasks are available for AstroPulse v7
27/10/2014 22:09:58 | SETI@home | Tasks for CPU are available, but your preferences are set to not accept them
27/10/2014 22:09:58 | SETI@home | Tasks for NVIDIA GPU are available, but your preferences are set to not accept them
27/10/2014 22:09:58 | SETI@home | Tasks for Intel GPU are available, but your preferences are set to not accept them

27/10/2014 22:09:58 | SETI@home | Project requested delay of 303 seconds
27/10/2014 22:09:58 | SETI@home | [sched_op] handle_scheduler_reply(): got ack for task ap_30oc11ab_B4_P0_00108_20141026_31709.wu_0
27/10/2014 22:09:58 | SETI@home | [sched_op] Deferring communication for 00:05:03
27/10/2014 22:09:58 | SETI@home | [sched_op] Reason: requested by project

It's the third time in a short amount of time I've seen this specific "No tasks sent, no tasks available for your hardware" message. Hope it's only me. ;-)

If you mean those messages I highlighted. Then they are nothing new. I have a whole log full of "Tasks for AMD/ATI GPU are available, but your preferences are set to not accept them" messages on a host with no ATI GPU.
Also sometimes I get the message about "there is no usable entry for Astropulse v7" in your app_info.xml on MB only machines or the opposite on AP only machines.
2072) Message boards : Number crunching : @Pre-FERMI nVidia GPU users: Important warning (Message 1593108)
Posted 27 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Someone mentioned there were other drivers with computational errors like ver 295.73.

Is there an updated white or black list of drivers pinned somewhere? I had the misfortune to have these 340.52 drivers installed on 2 machines, wondering why I was receiving no GPU units, and when trying to correct the issue dropped down to another blacklisted driver.

IMO, the best Driver for the older cards is 266.58 WHQL. That driver doesn't use the Full CPU core to run AstroPulse tasks the way newer drivers do. No need for the -sleep switch or anything else, great for Dual core CPUs. It also works fine with CUDA versions up to 3.2. This host is using it; All tasks for computer 6813106 It also works fine with my GTS 250.

The XP Link is here, http://www.nvidia.com/object/winxp-266.58-whql-driver.html
You'll have to search for the other OS versions.

Or just use http://www.oldapps.com/nvidia.php
2073) Message boards : Number crunching : AP V7 (Message 1593060)
Posted 27 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Here is a recent example, "It keeps loading me up with cpu tasks"
I've noticed the same behavior, so have others. I notice it every few days because my Mac is just about out of work every few days. It use to download the GPU tasks first, now it doesn't. Just as others have noted...

So. That's what we're looking for. What makes that decision? What criteria does it use to decide? Please start thinking about some answers, rather than just re-stating the question.

Not that is has anything to do with AP v7. Maybe this stuff could be moved to a new thread about the subject?
I have noticed a change in behavior reporting work on a machine with a full queue limit. Previously with 100 tasks in the queue if a completed tasks was reported a new one would be sent in the same request. Now a task is not sent & the message "This computer has reached a limit on tasks in progress" is displayed. Then on the next request for work a new task is sent.
2074) Message boards : Number crunching : Some questions about BOINC for Android... (Message 1593050)
Posted 27 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Don't know if this has already been asked here but can a smartphone also crunch when it's not connected to the main current? In other words, can an android crunch only on its battery?


Yes sure but the battery wont last long probably.

I set my Galaxy S4 to stop at 20% battery & then let it go from a full charge. It did manage a few hours before pausing crunching at 20% battery level.

Ran a test to track more precisely how long my S4 will run on battery while crunching. With 3 tasks running at once I'm down to 60% from a full charge after 01:30:15 of run time. So probably close to 3 hours of run time before hitting 20%. As I was using my phone for some activities while I was at lunch it could be a bit more than 3 hours if left untouched. I'm going to charge the battery back up and try with 2 tasks next.
2075) Message boards : Number crunching : Some questions about BOINC for Android... (Message 1592972)
Posted 27 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Don't know if this has already been asked here but can a smartphone also crunch when it's not connected to the main current? In other words, can an android crunch only on its battery?


Yes sure but the battery wont last long probably.

I set my Galaxy S4 to stop at 20% battery & then let it go from a full charge. It did manage a few hours before pausing crunching at 20% battery level.
2076) Message boards : Number crunching : "Zombie" AP tasks - still alive in AP v7 (Message 1592589)
Posted 26 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hm... your way seems to be more about BOINC development, not app.
But I agree app should exit if no BOINC client govern it long enough. Hence killing boinc.exe should stop all its tasks after some (not too big) amount of time.

I'll try to reproduce boinc.exe task kill and then rise issue on BOINC dev list if case will be reproducible.

I was just thinking "oh no!". If there is code telling the science app to exit if it can not find the BOINC client. Then would it also exit when running in offline test mode. Such as doing a benchmark/debugging test run, or does that not apply when there is no parent application?
2077) Message boards : Number crunching : iGPU tuning (Message 1592577)
Posted 26 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
1) cache thrashing,
2) memory bus saturating,
3) automatic frequency adjustement to fit into power budget.

Last one can be checked thoroughly by CPU-Z + GPU-Z tools to exclude.

Are there tools to monitor cache thrashing or memory bus saturation?


Yes, but "heavy" ones like Intel's vTune.
If you ready to use them you definitely will learn something new regarding your system and other things. But usage learning will required too perhaps.

EDIT: maybe some more common tools like Windows embedded perfmon can provide some overview too, BTW. Check perfmon documentation.

Intel even offers a trial version so I don't have to put on an eye patch to download it. :) Hopefully the learning curve is not much higher than other system monitoring tools I have used previously at work when breaking software. Having my BayTrail system that doesn't exhibit this slowdown to compare may also prove useful.

A fresh OS install on a spare HDD & then making a ghost image of the system before installing tools is probably also in order.
2078) Message boards : Number crunching : iGPU tuning (Message 1592546)
Posted 26 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
HAL, I've seen the same slowdown on my 4771K-processor, and I haven't found any solution.

You might want to check out my discussion with Raistmer and others in this thread.

It may be a design limitation. As the same issue is not present on my BayTrail SOC. I figured that playing around with would app switches couldn't hurt. Maybe there is a happy medium to be found somewhere.
2079) Message boards : Number crunching : iGPU tuning (Message 1592545)
Posted 26 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
If you have one CPU core freed you could try cpu_lock_fixed_cpu switch.
This will bind iGPU to a specific core so shouldn`t interfere with CPU processing.

WU : ap_Zblank_9LC67.wu
AP6_win_x86_SSE2_OpenCL_ATI_r2346.exe :
Elapsed 128.497 secs
CPU 35.053 secs

AP7_win_x86_SSE2_OpenCL_ATI_r2721.exe -cpu_lock_fixed_cpu 3 -tune 1 64 4 1 -tune 2 64 4 1 :
Elapsed 104.739 secs, speedup: 18.49% ratio: 1.23x
CPU 6.209 secs, speedup: 82.29% ratio: 5.65x

AP7_win_x86_SSE2_OpenCL_ATI_r2721.exe -oclFFT_plan 256 16 256 -cpu_lock_fixed_cpu 3 -tune 1 64 4 1 -tune 2 64 4 1 :
Elapsed 88.780 secs, speedup: 30.91% ratio: 1.45x
CPU 6.006 secs, speedup: 82.87% ratio: 5.84x


Adding oclfft_plan and tune switch should also speed up the iGPU a little.
I think its worth a try.
It goes without saying that gain on iGPU will be not that big like on discrete GPU.

Example

-oclFFT_plan 256 16 256 -cpu_lock_fixed_cpu 3 -tune 1 64 4 1 -tune 2 64 4 1

I plan to start test with running 1 CPU & 1 iGPU task at a time. As previously that still showed double CPU run time. Previously iGPU run times remained constant with MB ~1hr & AP v6 ~3hr if there were 0 CPU or 4 CPU tasks running at the same time. So maybe there is a way to get iGPU to relax some for the sake of the CPU.
2080) Message boards : Number crunching : iGPU tuning (Message 1592544)
Posted 26 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
1) cache thrashing,
2) memory bus saturating,
3) automatic frequency adjustement to fit into power budget.

Last one can be checked thoroughly by CPU-Z + GPU-Z tools to exclude.

Are there tools to monitor cache thrashing or memory bus saturation?
2081) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (91) Server Problems? (Message 1592277)
Posted 26 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Cricket just took a huge dive. Expect snow, hail, and thunderstorms.
http://fragment1.berkeley.edu/newcricket/grapher.cgi?target=/router-interfaces/inr-211/gigabitethernet6_17&ranges=d%3Aw&view=Octets
EDIT: And then it recovered soon after.

The techs need to stop tripping over those loose network cables.

And the BOINC dev boards are down.

Yeah everything http://boinc.berkeley.edu related looks to be down at the moment. Should we put bets on if Dr. Anderson is playing with something again?
2082) Message boards : Number crunching : iGPU tuning (Message 1592261)
Posted 26 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Previous in my thread A journey: iGPU slowing CPU processing I had found that using the iGPU on Haswell while also using the CPU slowed CPU processing significantly, around double. A likely culprit of cache thrashing was mentioned.
I was considering doing some more testing with the new AP v7 app to see if there was a tuning parameter that might lessen the CPU slowdown. If the slowdown can be brought down to less than (CPU time * 1.5). Then there would be an improved throughput.
I am thinking -cpu_lock or -use_sleep might be a good place to start with the HD4600 in my i5-4670K.
2083) Message boards : Number crunching : display driver stopped and now wu is stalled (Message 1592241)
Posted 26 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
You could also take the third route and not use the HD4600 iGPU for crunching, but use it as the monitor only. This way your GPUs are stand-alone and dedicated for exclusive crunching. This is what I did when I built my 4770K w/ 2 x 750Ti FTW, running Lunatics 0.43 with the app_config.xml configured .5 GPU & .5 CPU for all AP tasks and .33 GPU & .5 CPU for all CUDA tasks.

I don't understand why you had disconnect the HD4600 to install the AMD drivers, it just seems like another hassle running AMD with Intel and Windows.

I had that plan for my HTPC with a i5-4670, but I had issues with the iGPU scaling correctly with my 61" TV. So I ended up using the PCIe card for the TV once again. The iGPU not scaling seems like perfectly valid enough reason to upgrade to a newer flat panel right?

I'm not sure why anything would need to be done to the iGPU when installing the ATI drivers. I have not had any issues with ATI & iGPU getting along. I did find running the iGPU would nearly double the processing times on the CPU though. So not using it to crunch while also doing CPU work would probably be a good idea. At least for 100% SETI@home work. Other projects may mix with the iGPU better.
2084) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (91) Server Problems? (Message 1592229)
Posted 26 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Cricket just took a huge dive. Expect snow, hail, and thunderstorms.
http://fragment1.berkeley.edu/newcricket/grapher.cgi?target=/router-interfaces/inr-211/gigabitethernet6_17&ranges=d%3Aw&view=Octets
EDIT: And then it recovered soon after.

The techs need to stop tripping over those loose network cables.
2085) Message boards : Number crunching : AP V7 (Message 1592158)
Posted 25 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Anyone worked out explaining the credits yet?
I thought it was percentage blanked that has to do with it, but seeing how if you're a credit runner you want to run only AP7s with ~2.41 percent blanked to get the 'mother load', I doubt that that's it.

My present run:
percent blanked: 0.00 -- 465.21
percent blanked: 13.25 -- 488.16
percent blanked: 2.41 -- 534.16
percent blanked: 2.41 -- 521.47
percent blanked: 0.00 -- 455.75
percent blanked: 0.00 -- 491.06

Now had 5 of those 13.25% blanked so still got a couple to go before the server allows my cache to be more than just one AP and the rest air on a work request. ;-)

I think the number & type of pulses are a factor as well. Not just blanking.
2086) Message boards : Number crunching : Problems with bit.ly 10.25.2014 (Message 1592076)
Posted 25 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have ad block on my computer. I thought it just worked in the background. I have no listing of the program from the start menu. How do it get it to block bit.ly?

I've never used bit.ly

Couple of weeks ago my Uni account started blocking several threads here on account of some metric or other. Curiously, most were threads started by Merle...

It wouldn't have to be you. Just someone that comments in one of your threads. Looking over all of your threads on the first pages whomever was using it in your threads has since removed it. Probably using a different url shortener in their signature.

Looking over the rest of the threads I only found 2 users currently still using bit.ly. I has several blocks from bit.ly already in ad block, but I've since switched it to block bit.ly/*.

Adblock does work in the background, but if there is something you want to added yourself then you can do so via the custom filters.
Getting to the filter options depends on the browser you are using.
For Firefox it is accessible via Tools > add-ons > Extensions > Adblock Plus > More... > Filter Preferences. I have it added to my add-on bar so I can get to it more quickly.
Another options is to right click an image, select "Adblock Plus: Block image...", & then "Show existing filters...".
Once you have the filters open you would select the Custom Filters tab. If you don't have any custom filters create a new one & then add: http://bit.ly/*
2087) Message boards : Number crunching : Problems with bit.ly 10.25.2014 (Message 1592054)
Posted 25 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I've never used bit.ly

Couple of weeks ago my Uni account started blocking several threads here on account of some metric or other. Curiously, most were threads started by Merle...

It wouldn't have to be you. Just someone that comments in one of your threads. Looking over all of your threads on the first pages whomever was using it in your threads has since removed it. Probably using a different url shortener in their signature.

Looking over the rest of the threads I only found 2 users currently still using bit.ly. I has several blocks from bit.ly already in ad block, but I've since switched it to block bit.ly/*.
2088) Message boards : Number crunching : AP V7 (Message 1591958)
Posted 25 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Only APs on my GPU, nothing else. Occasionally vLHC on CPU, but I don't think that could make APs on my GPU run slower, could it?

Chances are not 0, but you can compare the times of when the tasks were running via your stdoutdae.txt.
2089) Message boards : Number crunching : display driver stopped and now wu is stalled (Message 1591943)
Posted 25 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Question: I had to disconnect intel's built in graphic display 4600 in order to set up my amd card. According to sapphire's directions. Can I somehow use both? Hopefully trying to improve things.


you can, but if you set your AMD GPU to more than 1 WU, the same will apply to your iGPU. It might also slow down your CPU crunching time if you're using it. If you want to give it a try, install the iGPU drivers and connect a dummy HDMI cable to your iGPU port, it doesn't have to be connected to anything else. You'll have to set it up in windows to a second screen. That's what I did as far as I remember to get it to run with my nvidia card. It wasn't worth it though, had lots of crashes and other issues.

You can use the <app_version> settings in your app_config.xml to specify different settings for each GPU vendor. Rather than just a global settings for all GPUs when using <app>.
2090) Message boards : Number crunching : Problems with bit.ly 10.25.2014 (Message 1591940)
Posted 25 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I've just had the same warning from my ISP's web mail access portal. That page doesn't show any user-generated images (and it is good for protecting me from malware attached to spam messages).

But it does show images - from advertisers. If malware ever does get into the advertising stream, then the web has got a big problem on its hands.

To late.
http://www.engadget.com/2014/10/24/cryptowall-ransomware-attack-proofpoint-report/.
I hope that my use of Adblock Plus for my computers & Android phone keeps me safe from such shenanigans. Besides just keeping the ads away,
2091) Message boards : Number crunching : intel i7 4790K and intel's warranty (Message 1591637)
Posted 24 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
...
I hold onto the stock coolers. I'm not sure why, but I do. I have a box just for old heatsinks and fans.

An Intel stock cooler for a 65 watt CPU might be excellent if it could be mounted on a 20 watt CPU. I'm in favor of repurposing NOS items.
                                                                   Joe

Yeah I always figure I might be able to use them on another project sometime. I have a heatsink at work I rest my phone on while charging to help dissipate the heat. Then some of my old stock P4 heatsinks I am thinking of using on a solar panel inverter I'm designing.
2092) Message boards : Number crunching : intel i7 4790K and intel's warranty (Message 1591633)
Posted 24 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
There is a line on SIV64 across from L1 Data Cache that says 47C. I think that is the temp on the reverse side of the MB behind the CPU. I guess that would be the number I should always check. Right? Rather than the cpu core #'s.

[quote]Hal,
What scared me more than anything was your saying you had to replace 2 mb's before you discovered it was the cpu. No thanks - too much work for me.
[quote]
I went through so many sets of memory & MBs because I didn't even consider it was the CPU. As memory & MB issues are infinitely more common than an actual faulty CPU.

Despite building my own computers for a few decades & never having such an issue before. I am still not 100% sure that I didn't do something to cause the issue I was having with the CPU. That seems more likely to me than a failed chip getting though multiple quality screenings, or there being a faulty batch due to failed test equipment.

I'm not sure what the value in SIV is as I don't use it to monitor my temps. It could very well be the external CPU temp. To me 47ºC seems like a reasonable temp to be reading.
With my thermostat telling me it is 75ºF in the living room. My HTPC with an i5-4670K is reading:
49ºC external CPU temp
57-58ºC core temps
34ºC MB/case temp
39ºC PCH (chipset) temp

All of the values are good to monitor. I focus more on the CPU core temps rather than the external temp. As the core temps are really the important part. It doesn't matter how cool the outside of the CPU is if the cores are melting. If you are reading 20ºC for the external CPU temp, but the cores are at 95ºC you are probably going to have a bad time.
2093) Message boards : Number crunching : thermal paste (Message 1591593)
Posted 24 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

However, despite the claims about how Arctic Silver 5 "never dries out" are in fact wrong. I took a heatsink off of my Athlon XP 3200+ machine about a year ago. I applied AS5 to it in 2005 right after I got the AS5. When I released the latches on the heatsink..the CPU came out of the socket with the heatsink. I twisted and pried and almost broke that delicate little Barton in the process, but it finally got released. The AS5 had dried out and become epoxy, basically.

So... moral of the story is.. replace your thermal compound every 2-3 years.

I have had the CPU come out with the heatsink a few times in the past. I found running the CPU hard to heat it up would normally reduce the chances of that occurring.
2094) Message boards : Number crunching : thermal paste (Message 1591485)
Posted 24 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I hate to keep throwing away these little tubes of thermal paste but I have no idea what their shelf life is. Anybody know?

Not sure. Given it is a sealed tube I imagine it should say good for quite some time. The oldest I have is around 5 or 6 years old & I was just using it to regoop an old P4 heatsink recently.
2095) Message boards : Number crunching : AP V7 (Message 1591484)
Posted 24 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hmm, AP WU's from 2014 tapes seems to be extremely noisy, at least those I have crunched today (unfortunately with totally new settings for today on the GPU).

A majority of all the ones I have crunched so far today, have a very high pulse count.

Since many of them are still waiting for a wingman, I do not know if there's an issue with my GPU, or if they really are that noisy.

Time will tell I guess....

I have been seeing a large volume of high pulses and blanking recently.
2096) Message boards : Number crunching : intel i7 4790K and intel's warranty (Message 1591482)
Posted 24 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
If I had known that I may have kept with the quieter intel HSF. I cleaned the intel off and put it in the drawer for possible use here or in my old dell which also has an intel HSF and has done a good job for about 5 years now.

I know something else. It's easier to get paste off that is only a week old than paste that is 4 years old. Alcohol is great!

Here's to ya.

I just use paper towels and rub the gunk off until it comes back clean.

I hold onto the stock coolers. I'm not sure why, but I do. I have a box just for old heatsinks and fans.
2097) Message boards : Number crunching : intel i7 4790K and intel's warranty (Message 1591459)
Posted 24 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
[quote]Hal,
What scared me more than anything was your saying you had to replace 2 mb's before you discovered it was the cpu. No thanks - too much work for me.
[quote]
I went through so many sets of memory & MBs because I didn't even consider it was the CPU. As memory & MB issues are infinitely more common than an actual faulty CPU.

Despite building my own computers for a few decades & never having such an issue before. I am still not 100% sure that I didn't do something to cause the issue I was having with the CPU. That seems more likely to me than a failed chip getting though multiple quality screenings, or there being a faulty batch due to failed test equipment.
2098) Message boards : Number crunching : intel i7 4790K and intel's warranty (Message 1591361)
Posted 24 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thanks Ivan,

I just installed my cooler master. The temps went from (today) 79-86C to 58-68C.
Wow! Thanks everybody.

The noise. Well it is a bit louder but not as bad as the old rig so I can live with it.

Shame on intel for not putting a big black and yellow sticker attached to that fan and cooler explaining what is what. People putting together a rig without the benefit of a group like this are gonna make big mistakes. [Even the ones with common sense]

The stock heatsink is more than adequate probably around 99.5% of machines.

Much like system in your car. If you were to load it up to its maximum load weight & then drive at full speed. You would then find the limits of its cooling capacity fairly quickly. Most people never do that. Do the factory cooling system is designed for most normal use cases. Then the aftermarket takes over for those with higher demands.
2099) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (91) Server Problems? (Message 1591153)
Posted 24 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Anyone else experience a slow down of the servers? I managed to report, after a few of these:


563 SETI@home 2014-10-24 03:42 Reporting 1 completed tasks, requesting new tasks for CPU and GPU
564 2014-10-24 03:42 Project communication failed: attempting access to reference site
565 SETI@home 2014-10-24 03:42 Scheduler request failed: Couldn't connect to server
566 2014-10-24 03:42 Internet access OK - project servers may be temporarily down.

Looking over the longs on my 6 home boxen & my Android. I don't see any connection issues for the the past 5 hours other than my one notebook that drops its wifi connection sometimes.
2100) Message boards : Number crunching : blanked AP tasks, Part II (Message 1590806)
Posted 23 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
It is a rare exception. I have had 3 like that vs 26 that granted the normal smaller credit out of my past 500 tasks.
2101) Message boards : Number crunching : display driver stopped and now wu is stalled (Message 1590782)
Posted 23 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
If TrdDelay does not work. Some have found using TrdLevel & disabling Timeout Detection & Recovery useful.
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/hardware/ff569918%28v=vs.85%29.aspx
2102) Message boards : Number crunching : intel i7 4790K and intel's warranty (Message 1590770)
Posted 23 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I can't stop laughing. It's such a visual!

Zalster,
The only reason is so that intel can't point the finger at cooler master or some other mfg. of the heatsink/fan. Also, right now the intel heatsink/fan is running very quietly and that was my chief complaint on my prior rig but that may have involved other factors (MB,bios,etc).

I would install that cool master, My CPU never gets over 45C supporting my 3 GPUs running full out. Why would you want to risk burning out that chip? If it runs cooler, less chance of something going wrong. My 2 cents...

Zalster

So long as you don't do something like physically beat the CPU to death with a hammer I don't expect you would have any issues replacing it under warranty. When I had to replace my i5 I didn't mention I was using an aftermarket cooler & they didn't ask.
If you completely crazy overvolting the CPU when overclocking you might be able to kill it. I have some CPUs I have actually tried to kill through overclocking & they are still living despite my efforts. :/ It makes me sad when I can't break something. As I am a Test Engineer for a living. So I get paid to break things. Mostly software/firmware, but also a hardware when the need arises.

If you watch Game of Thrones this might be entertaining to you.

2103) Message boards : Number crunching : intel i7 4790K and intel's warranty (Message 1590750)
Posted 23 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Zalster,
The only reason is so that intel can't point the finger at cooler master or some other mfg. of the heatsink/fan. Also, right now the intel heatsink/fan is running very quietly and that was my chief complaint on my prior rig but that may have involved other factors (MB,bios,etc).

I would install that cool master, My CPU never gets over 45C supporting my 3 GPUs running full out. Why would you want to risk burning out that chip? If it runs cooler, less chance of something going wrong. My 2 cents...

Zalster

So long as you don't do something like physically beat the CPU to death with a hammer I don't expect you would have any issues replacing it under warranty. When I had to replace my i5 I didn't mention I was using an aftermarket cooler & they didn't ask.
If you completely crazy overvolting the CPU when overclocking you might be able to kill it. I have some CPUs I have actually tried to kill through overclocking & they are still living despite my efforts. :/ It makes me sad when I can't break something. As I am a Test Engineer for a living. So I get paid to break things. Mostly software/firmware, but also a hardware when the need arises.
2104) Message boards : Number crunching : intel i7 4790K and intel's warranty (Message 1590697)
Posted 23 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The intel i7 4790K runs hot from 75-85C. using 7 cores and part of a core for the cpu. The ambient room temp is 68F. I bought the boxed intel with the intel fan and heatsink which implies to me that if I use their heatsink and fan I should be covered under the warranty for 3 years. In reading the warranty it looks like I should be covered.

I have I higher priced cooler master but did not install it.


I assume that if I don't overclock and use intel's fan and heatsink I am covered under their warranty. Any comments.

Is the the temperature of the cores or the case temp? If that is the case temp that seems high. Even for a stock Intel cooler. If it is the temp of the cores then it isn't to bad.

The K edition processors support overclocking from the factory. That is the extra $ you pay vs the non K editions.
The Intel warranty support process is pretty easy. "Hey Intel this isn't working & is under warranty" "OK do you want a standard replacement or advanced replacement?". I had to have one of my i5-4670K CPUs replaced when it wouldn't boot with memory in the 2nd channel on the MB. I has gone through 3 MBs & 4 sets of RAM before contacting Intel for a CPU replacment.
2105) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (91) Server Problems? (Message 1590492)
Posted 23 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Maybe,
The installer replaces any existing ap_info.xml with one of its own, you will need to re-modify the ap_info.xml to your parameters.

Regards,

OR just use an app_config.xml to set your number of tasks per GPU so you don't have to mess with your app_info.xml & your settings don't get changed when you rerun the installer.
2106) Message boards : Number crunching : Lunatics Windows Installer v0.43 Release Notes (Message 1590157)
Posted 22 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have one who uses more than 1 GB.

SETI@home 7.05 astropulse_v7 (opencl_nvidia_100) ap_26jn14aa_B6_P0_00184_20141017_17161.wu_0 00:21:28 (00:00:10) 0,83 61,261 00:43:27 12/11/2014 07:01:51 0,1C + 1NV Suspended by user Juan 2

Command Line:

-use_sleep -unroll 16 -oclfft_plan 256 16 256 -ffa_block 16384 -ffa_block_fetch 8192 -tune 1 64 4 1 -tune 2 64 4 1

it´s a 2x780FTW host

What else you need?

One observation, the core usage rises to allmost 100% when normaly is very low.

<edit> another one from the same host, suspended it for now (this one uses 1.7 GB)

SETI@home 7.05 astropulse_v7 (opencl_nvidia_100) ap_28jn14aa_B1_P1_00131_20141017_13023.wu_1 00:00:02 (-) 24,00 0,044 01:22:51 12/11/2014 06:46:22 0,1C + 1NV Suspended by user Juan 2

If you do not already have it & need help finding the download path. There is the SETI fanout url generator
2107) Message boards : Technical News : Long Outage (October 21, 2014) (Message 1590147)
Posted 22 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thanks for the update & to Angela for putting up all of the extra time you put in.

Got to love those "This should be quick" moments that turn out to takes ages.

Have you guys noticed AP workunit assimilation, and by extension purging, hasn't been occurring for a while? Wasn't sure if it was intentional or if something just went a little wonky after the validation wasn't occurring previously.
2108) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (91) Server Problems? (Message 1589928)
Posted 22 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Something is afoot. One of my machines hasn't been able to connect to the server all day. I keep getting "site might be down" I know the internet works because I'm using the computer right now. Wonder if something broke that they couldn't fix so the put the system back up until they would get whatever it is they need or the appropriate personnel to look at it. It's also super slow and certain sections take several minutes to load

The connection connection graph also shows that is normally the outbound data, labeled as in, running around 25-30MB/s. With the outbound, labeled as out, running around 240MB/s. For a moment I thought they reversed the display, but I'm thinking not. As the "Results ready to send" has also stayed extremely flat.
Looking at my clients I just have the standard messages that would be expected after an outage.
10/21/2014 11:27:30 PM SETI@home Scheduler request failed: Couldn't connect to server
10/21/2014 11:40:35 PM SETI@home Project has no tasks available


I am upload and report with any issues.
2109) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (91) Server Problems? (Message 1589910)
Posted 22 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
My rigs have not been able to report the competed WUs since almost 12 hours now.

10/22/2014 7:12:02 AM | SETI@home | update requested by user
10/22/2014 7:12:06 AM | SETI@home | Sending scheduler request: Requested by user.
10/22/2014 7:12:06 AM | SETI@home | Reporting 202 completed tasks
10/22/2014 7:12:06 AM | SETI@home | Requesting new tasks for CPU and NVIDIA
10/22/2014 7:12:29 AM | SETI@home | Scheduler request failed: Couldn't connect to server
10/22/2014 7:12:33 AM | | Project communication failed: attempting access to reference site
10/22/2014 7:12:36 AM | | Internet access OK - project servers may be temporarily down.


Something wrong I guess.

Not having any issues on this end... well anymore. My internet went from 25Mb/s to about 18Kb/s for around an hour. So there could be some kind of larger internet issues occurring.
2110) Message boards : Number crunching : AP V7 (Message 1589520)
Posted 21 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Well, after having done 189 non-outlier tasks, (Consecutive valid tasks 306), the credits for AP v7, haven't even come close to that of AP v6. It's rising slowly though, but is still not consistently at even 500 Credits.

Patience young man, patience....:-)

Edit, added: We've been running the new AP v7 now since October 9th, and still no official announcement of this new app on the board. Who stole the keyboards of the SETI project admins?

I have just seen the average graph in my BOINC Manager start to move upward. With the 19th the lowest point. Also the lowest credit I am seeing granted for a non blanked AP task is around 515.
2111) Message boards : Number crunching : The current top cruncher (Message 1589517)
Posted 21 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Even though Charles' RAC has dropped a lot lately he's still the 1st to pass 1,000,000,000 cobblestones mark (not bad for just under 15 months of crunching).

Congratz Charles.

Cheers.

Wow! Let's see, at my current rate, I might reach that milestone sometime in the year 2040....that is, if they let me keep running my machines in the old f[olks|ogeys|ellas|arts] home!

According to allprojectstats.com I wouldn't get there a little sooner, but just.
Your current goal is: 1,000,000,000
Will be reached in x days 6,479.36
Date July 17, 2032

Sometimes I like to set goals for myself to see if I can eek out a bit more oomph from my machines. Right now I have a goal set for 125,000,000 with an estimated date of December 7th. So I'm trying to get there before December 1st. I have more machines I could simply throws at the project, but I would rather do it through tuning and tweaking.
2112) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (91) Server Problems? (Message 1589450)
Posted 20 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Assimilation & purging for AP still seems to be down. Maybe it will resume after maintenance tomorrow?
2113) Message boards : Number crunching : Oddly long AP7 wu's? (Message 1589328)
Posted 20 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have noticed that tasks with many pulses take longer than ones with only a few or none. Could it be that the 30/30 pulse exits wasn't done until late in the task instead of early?
2114) Message boards : Number crunching : Oddly long AP7 wu's? (Message 1589259)
Posted 20 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Ah, version 6... That's why I shouldn't be trying to solve "mysteries" late at night haha...

Thanks!

Chris

That still doesn't explain why your AP v7 tasks lost the command line parameters you were using at the date I mentioned previously.
2115) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (90) Server Problems? (Message 1589244)
Posted 20 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Well, I got to my 11th "completed task" for APv7.. time to start filling the cache with realistic ETA'ed tasks:
2014-10-20 00:23:57 SETI@home [sched_op_debug] CPU work request: 2116467.91 seconds; 0.00 CPUs

Got to love the use of "completed" there.
It always throws me off when I see something like.
Number of tasks completed	127
Consecutive valid tasks		389

The might consider changing "Number of tasks completed" to "Number of tasks applied to APR". Since most of the wold has a very different definition of what "completed" means vs how it is being used.
2116) Message boards : Number crunching : Yosemite and Seti (Message 1589112)
Posted 20 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
So lots of complaints about this new OSX from apple. One thing I did see is that there appears to be a problem with the permissions. I rebuilt mine, and am running an AP over in Beta to see if it completes normal now. I still don't like the sluggishness but it seems to be better after the rebuild. I'll know in the morning.

One of our MAC devs at work was telling me about how they smurfed up the permissions again with the new OS. We had more support calls on Friday than we normally get in a month for MAC issues. I didn't have a chance to install the OS on my test system as of yet.
2117) Message boards : Number crunching : "Zombie" AP tasks - still alive in AP v7 (Message 1589071)
Posted 20 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
There is an issue with science apps not stopping when they should. However, BOINC & most defiantly Windows Explorer should not crash when tasks start.
If I were having crashes that coincided with tasks starting I would look for some bit of hardware that is having issues. If this last happened 6 months ago when it was changing from cold to warm and now it is occurring when it is going from warm to cold I am thinking something thermal expanding/contracting.

I think the key words there are "should not", rather than "could not". On my daily driver running Vista, Windows Explorer is actually the most crash-prone application I have. Often, simply right-clicking on a folder in the tree will cause a lockup and crash. Other times, I have no idea what triggers it. In any event, in this case, it appears to be BOINC that crashes first, taking its parent process, explorer.exe down with it. It would be helpful if the Windows logs provided more info, but they don't (or perhaps I just don't know where to find it).

As to weather, if only it were that easy to correlate the occurrences with something external. However, it's happened once each in December, February, March, and now October on my #1 cruncher. It also happened once on my #2 cruncher in March. And here on the central coast of California, ambient temperatures are more likely to fluctuate dramatically from day to day or from hour to hour, depending on the influence of the marine layer, than from season to season. I certainly can't rule anything out, but the fact that the one consistent element is the start of an AP GPU task, I have to think that that's one piece of the puzzle. (Although I run both MB and AP tasks, I still run hundreds of AP tasks through those two boxes over time, and with the crashes being fairly rare, I'm sure there must be another element required, but at this point I haven't any other clues.)

With the low occurrence of 5 times between 2 machines in a year it does make it hard to troubleshoot. If you wanted to install some debug logging software. Then you could have very detailed crash logs.

Having logs that only state "whatever.exe has stopped unexpectedly" can drive you bonkers. My old i7-860 would sometimes shutdown or restart without warming. The only log was "windows shutdown unexpectedly at time stamp". I dealt with that for years before finding out, just about a week ago, it was a faulty chassis power switch. Which would sometimes close when not pushed. I only found out that's what it was when it failed completely.
2118) Message boards : Number crunching : Oddly long AP7 wu's? (Message 1589064)
Posted 20 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
None of your GPU tasks returned after 17 Oct 2014, 14:48:52 UTC have in their stderr_txt the section.
DATA_CHUNK_UNROLL set to:24
FFA thread block override value:8192
FFA thread fetchblock override value:4096
Priority of worker thread raised successfully
Priority of process adjusted successfully, high priority class used

Your tasks prior to that do. You may want to see if your tuning settings are still in place or if you have a blank file. Losing your tuning settings could cause the tasks to run longer.
2119) Message boards : Number crunching : "Zombie" AP tasks - still alive in AP v7 (Message 1589039)
Posted 20 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Okay, finally got around to looking at those Windows logs and, as I suspected, the only relevant entry I could find is this one:

It doesn't indicate why Explorer stopped "unexpectedly", just that it was restarted. That event occurs approximately 2 seconds after the last entries in the BOINC log prior to the apparent BOINC crash:
18-Oct-2014 02:51:43 [SETI@home] Computation for task 24se14aa.26295.17654.438086664195.12.91_0 finished
18-Oct-2014 02:51:43 [SETI@home] [cpu_sched] Preempting 04se14aa.7333.4157.438086664199.12.169_0 (removed from memory)
18-Oct-2014 02:51:43 [SETI@home] Starting task ap_21no10ab_B0_P0_00325_20141016_19978.wu_2
18-Oct-2014 02:51:43 [SETI@home] [cpu_sched] Starting task ap_21no10ab_B0_P0_00325_20141016_19978.wu_2 using astropulse_v7 version 705 (opencl_nvidia_100) in slot 4
18-Oct-2014 08:14:06 [---] Starting BOINC client version 7.2.42 for windows_x86_64

As you can see, the last entries shown are for the start of an AP task. This has been the case for every one of these BOINC crashes that I've encountered.


There is an issue with science apps not stopping when they should. However, BOINC & most defiantly Windows Explorer should not crash when tasks start.
If I were having crashes that coincided with tasks starting I would look for some bit of hardware that is having issues. If this last happened 6 months ago when it was changing from cold to warm and now it is occurring when it is going from warm to cold I am thinking something thermal expanding/contracting.
2120) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (90) Server Problems? (Message 1588901)
Posted 19 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Carolyn is running again:)

It was shown as running a couple hours ago, but "replica seconds behind master" is still reporting "offline." queries/sec is unusually high (over 3000), and the RTS buffer has flatlined with creation rate being over 30/sec.

Lot of hungry caches and rigs out there.

I'm just glad the "Workunits waiting for validation" has started going down instead of up.


I'm just glad Carolyn shows as running on the SSP.

Everyone being present and accounted for is always a good thing.
2121) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (90) Server Problems? (Message 1588891)
Posted 19 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Carolyn is running again:)

It was shown as running a couple hours ago, but "replica seconds behind master" is still reporting "offline." queries/sec is unusually high (over 3000), and the RTS buffer has flatlined with creation rate being over 30/sec.

Lot of hungry caches and rigs out there.

I'm just glad the "Workunits waiting for validation" has started going down instead of up.
2122) Message boards : Number crunching : "Zombie" AP tasks - still alive in AP v7 (Message 1588888)
Posted 19 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The science apps are child processes of BOINC. If you look at the properties for the science apps in Process Explorer you can see the instance of BOINC they are associated with on the Image tab. Look for Parent: boinc.exe(nnnn) Where nnnn is the PID(Process ID).
When that Parent app is gone it is gone. The apps shouldn't look for or attach to an instance of BOINC they find. That would be very problematic on machines that run multiple instances of BOINC.

Yes, under normal circumstances, I expect to see all the running tasks shown as children of boinc.exe and, since by default I run BOINC Manager from bootup to shutdown, boinc.exe as a child of boincmgr.exe. However, with the zombie tasks, that association goes away and never comes back. I agree that it could be problematic if it did, which is why it makes sense to me that the science apps should shut down if their parent shuts down, and in my tests, almost all of them do.

I notice in the Process Explorer image you posted that the AP apps appear to be children of Process Explorer itself, so I'm curious as to what happens when you restart the BOINC client? If it doesn't reconnect to the running AP tasks, what happens to those tasks when they finish? Does BOINC successfully recognize the "finish" file when it's created?

The image is a bit misleading. In that image the science apps are not actually associated with processes explorer. If they were they could be offset in the tree. AP7_r2692_x64_AVX_CPU is being displayed as at the same level as the other root processes.
An issue with Processes Explorer is that sometimes it shows the - instead of the + for the tree. Under proexp.exe there is procexp64.exe.

Once the task is finished being processes I would expect the science app to close. However, I didn't want to wait a few hours to verify that. I was more interested in creating a reproducible test scenario.
2123) Message boards : Number crunching : "Zombie" AP tasks - still alive in AP v7 (Message 1588870)
Posted 19 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I normally run BOINC without even using BOINC Manager. Instead I choose to start & stop BOINC from a command line.
When you exit BOINC Manager & leave the BOINC client running. You will see boinc.exe still running. In my image you can clearly see that boinc.exe nor boincmgr.exe is running. Also the command line I used to kill boinc.exe using taskkill.

Well, that was weird. I was in the middle of editting my earlier post and I apparently got logged off. In any event, what I was planning to add was that I hadn't scrolled down in your image and therefore hadn't noticed that you used the "taskkill" command, rather than a normal exit from BOINC Manager. I also missed that boinc.exe wasn't still running.

In your scenario, when you restart the BOINC client, does it successfully pick up the orphaned tasks? In my tests (see "Zombie" AP tasks - still alive when BOINC should have killed them), even if I restarted BOINC while the zombie tasks were still running, BOINC wouldn't pick them up. Rebooting the machine was necessary to bring them back under BOINC's control.

The science apps are child processes of BOINC. If you look at the properties for the science apps in Process Explorer you can see the instance of BOINC they are associated with on the Image tab. Look for Parent: boinc.exe(nnnn) Where nnnn is the PID(Process ID).
When that Parent app is gone it is gone. The apps shouldn't look for or attach to an instance of BOINC they find. That would be very problematic on machines that run multiple instances of BOINC.
2124) Message boards : Number crunching : "Zombie" AP tasks - still alive in AP v7 (Message 1588854)
Posted 19 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Do you have the "Manager exit dialog" enabled in the BOINC Manager options? If not, and if the "Stop running tasks when exiting the BOINC Manager" box wasn't checked the last time the Exit Confirmation dialog was displayed, the tasks will keep running because the BOINC client is still running. Then, when you restart the BOINC Manager, it will pick up the client and the running tasks. In the case of the zombie AP tasks, they keep running standalone, without benefit of the BOINC client, and if the BOINC Manager is restarted while they're still running, it won't actually see them.

I normally run BOINC without even using BOINC Manager. Instead I choose to start & stop BOINC from a command line.
When you exit BOINC Manager & leave the BOINC client running. You will see boinc.exe still running. In my image you can clearly see that boinc.exe nor boincmgr.exe is running. Also the command line I used to kill boinc.exe using taskkill.
2125) Message boards : Number crunching : "Zombie" AP tasks - still alive in AP v7 (Message 1588844)
Posted 19 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I can easily reproduce the BOINC crashing issue by simply killing BOINC.
http://www.hal6000.com/seti/images/stuck_sci_apps.png

It has been about 12min since I killed BOINC & the apps are still humming right along. I did this several times & for this last instance I had told BOINC to suspend GPU processing prior to killing BOINC to see if it had any effect. It did not. The CPU & GPU apps look like they would run to completion in this scenario.
Perhaps when the processes are orphaned they are getting a heartbeat source from another application or the mechanism stops when they are orphaned. That would be an issue for the devs to wrestle. I just get paid to break things, not fix them.

The apps not stopping when BOINC is told to shutdown I think would be a separate, but possibly related, issue.
2126) Message boards : Number crunching : First batch of GPU AP tasks, only one task running on GPU? (Message 1588825)
Posted 19 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I just started crunching the first round of AP tasks allocated to my cruncher and noticed my GPU was running only one AP (opencl_nvidia_100) task. I have other GPU tasks downloaded, both opencl_nvidia_100 and cuda50. The running task indicated it is using 0.282 CPUs and 1 GPU.

I have my GPU set to run two tasks and under AP6, I was consistently running 2, either MB or AP prior to the newer tasks.

I'm assuming it is something within myapp_config (pasted below) that needs updating to allow running two of the newer tasks again?

<app_config>
<app>
<name>astropulse_v6</name>
<gpu_versions>
<gpu_usage>0.5</gpu_usage>
<cpu_usage>0.04</cpu_usage>
</gpu_versions>
</app>
<app>
<name>setiathome_v7</name>
<gpu_versions>
<gpu_usage>0.5</gpu_usage>
<cpu_usage>0.04</cpu_usage>
</gpu_versions>
</app>
</app_config>


Well if you add an AP v7 section it could help.

<app_config>
<app>
<name>astropulse_v6</name>
<gpu_versions>
<gpu_usage>0.5</gpu_usage>
<cpu_usage>0.04</cpu_usage>
</gpu_versions>
</app>
<app>
<name>astropulse_v7</name>
<gpu_versions>
<gpu_usage>0.5</gpu_usage>
<cpu_usage>0.04</cpu_usage>
</gpu_versions>
</app>

<app>
<name>setiathome_v7</name>
<gpu_versions>
<gpu_usage>0.5</gpu_usage>
<cpu_usage>0.04</cpu_usage>
</gpu_versions>
</app>
</app_config>
2127) Message boards : Number crunching : The GTX750(Ti) Thread (Message 1588818)
Posted 19 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
CU = Compute Units

The 750 has 4, the 750Ti has 5



That's a new one for me.. Where do you find that in the specifications? I have several 780s and would like to know how to configure that unroll

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nvidia_graphics_processing_units#GeForce_700_Series
SMX count column.
Or looks in a completed result for
OpenCL Platform Name: NVIDIA CUDA
Number of devices: 3
Max compute units: 12
2128) Message boards : Number crunching : CPU heat/ Lunatics Application (Message 1588790)
Posted 19 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have not seen a change in CPU temps on my machines that run AP only.
2129) Message boards : Number crunching : "Zombie" AP tasks - still alive in AP v7 (Message 1588757)
Posted 18 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
As it's been over 6 months since I last saw this problem pop up, my original "Zombie" AP tasks - still alive when BOINC should have killed them is locked. But since I've now had this happen with AP v7, a new thread is probably called for anyway.

The circumstances are pretty much the same. BOINC crashed on my T7400 at 2:51 AM local time, immediately after starting to process AP v7 task 3789149958. That task continued to run, without benefit of BOINC, until 3:23 AM, when the results were posted and the "finish" file created. Another AP v7 task, 3789137125, was running on a different GPU at the time of the BOINC crash and continued running until 2:56 AM. All MB tasks shut down cleanly when contact with BOINC was lost.

As it had been more than 6 months since I experienced one of these, and since my brain was still in first gear at ~8:00 AM when I discovered the chilly room with the low noise level, I forgot to delete the "finish" files for the 2 AP tasks before I restarted BOINC. Naturally, the tasks errored out with the "finish file present too long" message.

In any event, it appears that whatever changes and enhancements were made to AP for v7, none of them managed to fix the problem of AP tasks not noticing when the BOINC client goes AWOL.

Given this is a BOINC or OS issue with child processes not getting correctly killed. I don't see why changing a science app would solve this.

I most commonly see this happen on a machine where BOINC has been running for a few weeks. I will close BOINC, or restart the system, & the science apps will not have been killed. I have a batch file to run taskkill /IM appname.exe /T /F for when this happens.
2130) Message boards : Number crunching : NVIDIA tasks (Message 1588624)
Posted 18 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
So - now there is no more NVIDIA tasks for my GPU.
Will they be back?
18-10-2014 09:28:04 | SETI@home | Requesting new tasks for NVIDIA
18-10-2014 09:29:34 | SETI@home | Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks
18-10-2014 09:29:34 | SETI@home | Project has no tasks available

There are no such things as NV task, ATI tasks, or CPU tasks. All tasks are the same and simply assigned to a device when you make a request. Sometimes when you ask for work the feeder has no tasks in it & responds with "Project has no tasks available".
It looks like on your next work request 6 minutes after this request you received 34 new NV tasks. Two have already had an error & you are generating mostly errors on that machine.
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/results.php?hostid=6764842&offset=0&show_names=0&state=6&appid=11
2131) Message boards : Number crunching : how many ways to fry a motherboard? (Message 1588539)
Posted 18 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Just grab a bag of long grain rice and look for the biggest 1's, easy. That would make it less than a quarter of a pea (unless you have smaller peas over there than we do here). ;-)

Cheers.

Ah the last time I tried using that small of an amount I had issues with it not spreading out and giving good thermal transfer. That was also many moons ago using Atric Silver about the time it first came out.
Since then I have gone more. Which normally spreads out to within a few mm of the edges of the heat spreader on the CPU.

Smoothness and flatness of the mating surfaces is a factor too. Those who carefully lap both the heat spreader and the heat sink core to be very flat with a mirror finish probably need less, but I don't think this thread gets into that extreme.
                                                                   Joe

Yeah there are many variables. Such as the thermal compound itself. I took some photos with my old C2D E8400 for an example of how I normally apply it.

Thermal compound applied to CPU thermal spreader. Not my best application, but lets see how it goes.


Heatsink mounted and then removed.


For this the CPU wasn't powered on to heat up. That would have let the thermal compound spread out a bit more evenly. I should also note the layer of thermal compound looks thinker in the photo than it is. I could still see most of the information on the CPU heat spreader through the thermal compound.
2132) Message boards : Number crunching : AP V7 (Message 1588533)
Posted 18 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I was wondering if rescheduling would be over with AP7 and I was wrong.
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/show_host_detail.php?hostid=7374749


I went looking at the host at this URL and after looking at it I wonder if my version of boinc is configured correctly. I am running strictly a CPU with no video cards and boinc indicates my limit is 100 WUs. I always assumed it was because I have one CPU. Have missed a way of configuring boinc so that a single core is considered a logical CPU? That would give me a limit 400 WUs not 100.

The limits are
CPU = 100 (No matter how many cores, or CPU sockets) I would love for my 2 socket 24 core server to have a limit of 200 CPU tasks. :/
GPU = 100 Per GPU per vendor. 4 NV cards = limit of 400 GPU tasks. 1 NV & 2 ATI = limit of 300 GPU (200 ATI & 100 NV)
The host that is being pointed to has 4 GPU's. So should have a total limit of 500 in progress. Out of their 1432 tasks In Progress they have 100 CPU and 1332 GPU.
2133) Message boards : Number crunching : Flash Drive for Boinic projects (Message 1588526)
Posted 17 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Maybe, but here's my logic. I can spend 100 USD for an external SSD or I can use the internal SSD on my MacBook Pro. If the external goes out, I'm out 100 USD. If the internal goes out..Well, I don't know if you have ever had to try and get a Mac fix. It gets $$ real quick. So.....

You could always do it yourself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJmJ2inU-qQ

I tried to find out the write life span of current SD and USB flash drives, but it looks like the manufactures have stopped listing that kind of information. Instead they just seems to give a warranty for X number of years. With the default BOINC setting to write ever minute that would be 525600 writes a year. If the device had a cell lifespan of 100k writes & with even the most basic wear leveling. Writing sequentially to every cell before starting at the beginning it would takes ages for a USB flash drive to get worn out from BOINC.

As I recall each app instances uses its own cycle to write data to the disk. With 4 CPU apps and a GPU app there would be 5 writes per minute I believe.
2134) Message boards : Number crunching : AP V7 (Message 1588512)
Posted 17 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I seem to recall hearing that 64-bit Intel was going to be a requirement for future releases? Looking at the list of apps I see "Mac OS/X 10.3+ 7.00" under AP v7. Is that an app for PPC and/or hardware with OS X.3?

BOINC requires 64-bit Intel Mac and OS X 10.5 beginning from version 7.4.19. This is because NVIDIA dropped support for 32-bit applications from CUDA 6.5/drivers.

I don't what plans the project has for older Macs/CUDAs.

Looking at App list AP v6 it included Mac OS/X 10.3+ & Mac OS X/Intel. The decision was probably made to only support 64-bit for Intel MAC for AP v7. Which makes sense given 99% of all MAC machines are 64-bit. That machine will just run AP v6 until they are gone along with MB v7.
2135) Message boards : Number crunching : how many ways to fry a motherboard? (Message 1588470)
Posted 17 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Just grab a bag of long grain rice and look for the biggest 1's, easy. That would make it less than a quarter of a pea (unless you have smaller peas over there than we do here). ;-)

Cheers.

Ah the last time I tried using that small of an amount I had issues with it not spreading out and giving good thermal transfer. That was also many moons ago using Atric Silver about the time it first came out.
Since then I have gone more. Which normally spreads out to within a few mm of the edges of the heat spreader on the CPU.
2136) Message boards : Number crunching : New PSU blows my mind. (Message 1588466)
Posted 17 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I know what a cpu_fan is; I know what a cha_fan is, but I don't know what a pwr_fan is. What is it? I don't think I have anything like that.

Some power supplies have a connector so you can monitor the PSU fan via the MB. My older Enermax PSUs have those.
2137) Message boards : Number crunching : New PSU blows my mind. (Message 1588449)
Posted 17 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Indeed. With a single rail PSU you can't mess up which socket group to use.
2138) Message boards : Number crunching : remaining AP v6s (Message 1588446)
Posted 17 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I'm going to go with 2015-07.
2139) Message boards : Number crunching : how many ways to fry a motherboard? (Message 1588444)
Posted 17 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have not seen anybody talk about this. Thermal Paste. Besides getting a good bond between the cpu and cooler. If you put too much on the cpu and it oozes out and makes contact with the contact leads going to the cpu. The metal stuff in the thermal paste can cause a short.

To prevent that from happening, I always put just the right amount, evenly spread on the heastsink instead.

Just put a bead of thermal paste the size of a large grain of rice in the centre of the CPU and then clamp the heatsink down, no spreading is required as the pressure applied by the heatsink will do that. This has been the recommended way of doing it for very many years. ;-)

Cheers.

I often see the "large grain of rice" recommendation & to be honest I have never really seen a "large" grain of rice. I normally end up using about a half pea size amount of compound. Which may be the same amount of the "large grain of rice".

Discussions on applying thermal compound can be long and spur whole threads of debates. Probably practice is really the only way to get it down. The heatsink you order will mostly likely come with a syringe good for several applications. So after your initial install if you think the CPU is running to hot you should be able to try a few more times.
2140) Message boards : Number crunching : Flash Drive for Boinic projects (Message 1588436)
Posted 17 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Is using a 16GB 3.0 flash drive a viable alternative for running Boinic projects or will it just make the lifespan of the flash drive shorter?

Well it will be shorter than if you were not running BOINC from it. However the life of flash is actually fairly high. I have been using a 16GB SD card on not notebook for BOINC since I got it in 2011.
I had an old 1GB USB flash drive I wasn't going to use anymore. So I plugged it into a system and then started a continuous HDD speed test app. Under a constant 24/7 thrash it lasted for a few days. I want to say 3.5, but I don't recall exactly at the moment.
2141) Message boards : Number crunching : Yosemite and Seti (Message 1588317)
Posted 17 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I've been using Yosemite since early summer. Seems to work fine without any big drop off in performance with SETI. You can't tell that from my numbers at the moment because I'm trying to find the right balance of CPU work and iGPU work. Still looks like I'll get the best performance running all CPU and no iGPU work. The CPU gets throttled too much if I run more than a couple of cores with the iGPU. Thermal throttling that is...

Chris

Not liking this Yosemite. So far it is taken 12 hours to only get 36% through a AP on Beta. Hmm. This is not looking good. Anyone else running Yosemite and seeing this?

Zalster

Using Windows I found using the iGPU slowed CPU processing no matter how many CPU cores I used. See A journey: iGPU slowing CPU processing. The suspect is cache thashing.
2142) Message boards : Number crunching : how many ways to fry a motherboard? (Message 1588315)
Posted 17 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
After I get my amd 280X, what should I do, disable the one on the cpu? Can you do that?

You can disable the iGPU in the bios or leave it enabled. Just because it is enabled doesn't mean you have to crunch with it.

I found in testing with my Haswell CPUs that if I used the iGPU with the CPU it nearly doubled the CPU processing times. I have not yet tested to see if using the iGPU with a PCIe GPU slows anything down.
2143) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (90) Server Problems? (Message 1588282)
Posted 17 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I completed a 40 second AstroPulse v7 v7.00 this morning, while I was drinking my coffee:)

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/results.php?hostid=7271690&offset=0&show_names=0&state=0&appid=20

Are you sure you didn't slip your CPU some of your coffee? :)
I am going to guess that it is over 90% blanked. Once your wingmate returns their result you can see the blanking.


Its 100% blanked and aborted too much RFI.

Ah. I was just looking for the "percent blanked:" line. I didn't notice the "In ap_remove_radar.cpp: get_indices_to_randomize: good data chunks < 1. Blanking too much RFI?"
2144) Message boards : Number crunching : Yosemite and Seti (Message 1588280)
Posted 17 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have a Mac Mini so no discrete video, only integrated Intel video. I thought all Macs were superslow. I only use mine for downloads.

That's strange. My 6 year old Mac spent Months on the SETI Top Computer Front page. Considering it is 6 years old and using $150 worth of GPUs, I thought All Windows machines were superslow. Has to be true, else how could such an Old Mac with such cheap GPUs be so high amongst all those new PCs sporting much more expensive GPUs.

I know. Generally much faster. Always has been. Something about being able to tune the O/S to the hardware and not having to support hundreds of possible configurations?

My favorite is harddrive freedom. Did you know you can remove half of a striped OSX RAID, move the drive to an external enclosure, connect it, and your Striped RAID will work! Try that in Windows. Or just swap ports with your normal Windows drive and see what happens. I like being able to install my OS on a pocket drive, plug it into any other Mac...and it works. My system on your computer...try that in Windows.

I rearranged the ports for the drives in my RAID setup on my gaming machine shortly after setting the system up. I didn't have any issues, but that was using the build in hardware RAID from the controller. I think the last time I used an OS software RAID feature for a system setup was when Windows 2000 was a current OS. I have played around with it on newer OSs, but don't really see a need for it with hardware options.

Being able to install OS X to an external USB drive, or RAID across USB drives is a neat feature.

I am glad that apple stopped getting custom version of hardware from Intel for their machines. When we got our last iMAC finding information on the Core 2 Duo E8135 was nearly impossible.
2145) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (90) Server Problems? (Message 1588269)
Posted 17 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I completed a 40 second AstroPulse v7 v7.00 this morning, while I was drinking my coffee:)

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/results.php?hostid=7271690&offset=0&show_names=0&state=0&appid=20

Are you sure you didn't slip your CPU some of your coffee? :)
I am going to guess that it is over 90% blanked. Once your wingmate returns their result you can see the blanking.
2146) Message boards : Number crunching : a mystery (to me): why aren't larger MB's more popular? (Message 1588264)
Posted 17 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I was considering an Extended ATX motherboard, an EVGA Z97 Classified, not too many unused features, more space to work, big heatsinks and cheaper than the one that I ended up getting. Extended boards are usually more expensive due to their size and I would guess that they have to have a dedicated production line or halt the main line to retool for Extended ATX before going back. Plus an Extended board won't fit in many cases. The primary reason I chickened out is because I know that EVGA is the premier Nvidia partner and I felt that CrossFire support was important. It turns out my cards can do CrossFire through the PCI-E 3.0 bus without the need for CrossFire cable bridges, so this board might have been a better choice for me. I suppose if given the opportunity to go back there's a bunch of stuff that could be done differently.

Nvidia = SLI
ATI = CrossFire
It looks like you mostly have ATI cards too.
The external PCIe bridges are only required for some cards when the MB doesn't support the feature.
2147) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (90) Server Problems? (Message 1588089)
Posted 17 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I can also confirm this, if you have the "Don't' move sticky posts to the top" box ticked.

If I disable Don't move sticky posts to top it also goes away & returns once enabled again.

Thanks both, I can reproduce that here. I'll pass it on. David is taking a breather after yesterday, so it may take a little while - it doesn't seem to be a fatal problem, just untidy.

And he's just fixed it. I sincerely hope that was the last batch.

I found 2 other minor cosmetic issues on Main & Beta.

On the team management page:
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/team_manage.php?teamid=30229
Other resources for BOINC team admins are available from a third-party site, http://www.boincteams.com

The link to www.boincteams.com is out of date. The site now seems to be a personal blog.

On the team forum management page:
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/team_forum.php?teamid=30229&cmd=manage
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2148) Message boards : Number crunching : Lunatics Windows Installer v0.43 Release Notes (Message 1588080)
Posted 17 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Am I correct that this app does not use Cuda on my Fermi cards? The reason I ask is the tasks are identified as opencl nvidea 100. If that is so why did the installer ask me to identify my card, Fermi vs Kepler?

The MB app is CUDA the AP app is OpenCL. The ID question was probably to select the correct CUDA version for MB.
2149) Message boards : Number crunching : Yosemite and Seti (Message 1588070)
Posted 17 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Oh look, there's another one of those free OS upgrades at the App store. I didn't know that was coming so soon. Caught me at a bad time. I just swapped out drives to see if Ubuntu was still going to go all nuts and complain about drive errors on this different drive. I still don't understand why OSX can't find the same errors Ubuntu finds. I would need to swap out drives again to install Yosemite. Unless....I could clone Mountain Lion to an external drive and Upgrade the local version of Mountain Lion. I'll have to think about this...

I use SuperDuper! at work to image our MACs.
2150) Message boards : Number crunching : AP V7 (Message 1588068)
Posted 17 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have an old first gen Intel iMAC. I noticed it wasn't downloading and AP v7 work. I seem to recall hearing that 64-bit Intel was going to be a requirement for future releases? Looking at the list of apps I see "Mac OS/X 10.3+ 7.00" under AP v7. Is that an app for PPC and/or hardware with OS X.3?
Currently I run BOINC on OS X.6 for both of my MACs. It is a boot image I use for reimaging the OS on the machines.
2151) Message boards : Number crunching : Linux: any chance to let CPU in lowest power state? (Message 1588058)
Posted 17 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
... The problem is, that I still want to power state in "on demand", so that all my other Apps get the full frequency power of the CPU. I want BOINC running all the time in the background - but without letting the CPU using higher frequency but stay in it's lowest "on demand" frequency. When I start another app, this should behave normally, meaning: power state should be able to increase if these apps demand more CPU power.

So far, I just read about Linux system configuration to force all "nice" threads to not increase the CPU frequency. But this change would force _all_ nice threads to not use the full CPU power. ...

And there you have a conflict of wishes...

I believe that the normal powersave power schemes ignore "NICE 19" low priority tasks and stay in the low power mode.

However, some Boinc users complained about that and so Boinc uses a higher background task priority that since then now kicks in the full CPU speed?


You could create/save your own power scheme whereby you can set whatever CPU frequency you wish...


Happy cool crunchin',
Martin

In BOINC were to be started at the lowest priority would the child processes also be in that lower priority like in Windows?
2152) Message boards : Number crunching : Yosemite and Seti (Message 1588057)
Posted 17 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have it downloaded but haven't gotten around to installing it yet. I should get a chance at work tomorrow if nothing else comes up.
2153) Message boards : Number crunching : do you still need a surge protector with a voltage regulator? (Message 1587944)
Posted 16 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
heh, heh
Am I dumb or dumber? :-)

One more electrical question. I got my PSU today too. The fan points into the box which I presume is an exhaust, rather than pointing down into the floor.

My other rig, which I built is just that way but I want to double check and be sure.


Thanks again.

Typically the PSU fan pulls air in. Which is often from inside the case. Your cooler master cm storm trooper case has an opening on the bottom. So if you were to mount the PSU fan side down it would primarily draw in air from outside the case. If you were setting the case on a carpeted floor it would probably be better to mount the PSU fan side up.
2154) Message boards : Number crunching : do you still need a surge protector with a voltage regulator? (Message 1587910)
Posted 16 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I just got my VR. There are 4 outlets but one of them is labeled Transformer Block AC Outlet. Can someone tell me why this one outlet is so labeled? What does it mean?

Well if it anything like the APC Line-R 1200VA AVR then it is just a outlet with spacing for a large block transformer. Commonly called a wall wart.
2155) Message boards : Number crunching : looking for a gizmo to test cpu fans, case fans, 2,3,4 pins stuff (Message 1587894)
Posted 16 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I'm looking for a gizmo to test cpu fans, case fans, 2,3,4 pins stuff. Before I commit to a full hook-up I would like to test my different fans. To see what the noise levels of each are. Maybe even see to what extent I can control their speed. Is there such a thing that isn't really expensive professional grade test equipment?

You can get an adapter cable to connect to one of the molex connections from the PSU in your machine. They would run at full speed given 12v right form the supply, like a case fan would.
2156) Message boards : Number crunching : AP V7 (Message 1587892)
Posted 16 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
This is 100% totally just OCD nit-picking (and in no way intended to be considered as a complaint), but I just noticed something with r2692 x64 SSE3 CPU app.

In every single build that I've participated in over the years (starting with *digs in archive folder* ap_4.35rev24b54_SSE3), after the initial no-progress at the start of a WU, once the completion percentage starts increasing, every 1-second GUI update showed continuing progress.

However, with r2692, I have noticed that it shows no gain for 10-120 seconds, and then makes huge leaps and stops progressing again (the CPU thread stays fully-loaded the whole time). I started my three v7 WUs all at the same time this morning, and as I was watching them, they all paused at the same percentage intervals, even if they got there at different times.

With that being said, it still seems to be progressing along overall quite a bit faster than r557 did, so it's still definitely a plus, but this is just a new behavior that I haven't seen before. I assume it has something to do with the FFT iterations scanning ahead through blocks..or something like that? Just curious is all.

There was a change in BOINC on how it shows the % completed by an app. I forget the exact nature of it, but with versions up to 7.0.42 I would see large jumps in the progress of an AP task. Then once I started using 7.2.42 the % completed was updated more often.
2157) Message boards : Number crunching : running 2 amd 6570's on dell rig (Message 1587889)
Posted 16 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
My core clock is running at 675MHz not 1000MHz. According to gpu-z and siv64.

--edit
somebody gave me bad info on the 1000MHz clock of other brands. I remember who it was but don't want to put it out there.

Maybe they were mentioning the memory clock?
2158) Message boards : Number crunching : running 2 amd 6570's on dell rig (Message 1587820)
Posted 16 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
OK, done.

Thanks you guys.
That prior comment that TBar made confused me. I couldn't figure out who was saying what to whom.

My XFX 6570 is running at 675 MHz (stock 650 MHz) and I had been told before that all other brands had a core clock of 1000MHz.

I'm running it a bit overclocked since I have a backup 6570. :-)

Be great if I got a bonus here!

Wikipedia has a very hand list of GPUs that is nice to keep for a reference. The stock clock is listed at 650. I think 1000MHz might be a bit of a stretch for the 6570. I have only pushed one of my 6870s from 900MHz to 950MHz
2159) Message boards : Number crunching : running 2 amd 6570's on dell rig (Message 1587810)
Posted 16 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
What would the correct tune and sleep settings be? I cannot read anything like that in this thread. Or where would I find the correct settings? Thanks

The AP v7 app should select the correct values automagically. So you should be able to remove the -tune setting completely. The only option I used on my 6370m was -hp. I never had a need to use -use_sleep.
2160) Message boards : Number crunching : 2014 files as far as the eye can see (Message 1587807)
Posted 16 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
They have been loading '10, '11, & '12 data in as well. It is unknown why we were only doing the older data for a while.
Whatever data they need analyzed I'll run though the grinder.
2161) Message boards : Number crunching : running 2 amd 6570's on dell rig (Message 1587805)
Posted 16 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
...I have given up on that. I am working on my new build now.

Ok, well looking at the last result, it still has that incorrect Tune setting and the sleep entry, http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/result.php?resultid=3778931770
It seems to be rather slow for some reason, it should finish in under 2 hours as far as I know. It's not doing any better than my NV 8800 at present ;-)

Indeed something is rather off for the times on the 6570. For comparison some of my low end cards.
6370m 120 GFLOPS ~5h 50m
5750 1008 GFLOPS ~1h 20m

The 6570 at 624 GFLOPS should be a lot closer to the 5750 times.
2162) Message boards : Number crunching : AP V7 (Message 1587519)
Posted 16 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I don't know where you are looking, the only computer to look at is Host 700621
I told you before the other computer is my sons and used infrequently for BOINC/Seti, it still has tasks sent on the 11th to process. My computers oldest in the "in progress" selection is from the 14th

1793.71	1762.69	441.02	AstroPulse v7 Anonymous platform (NVIDIA GPU)
1788.93	1760.44	433.77	AstroPulse v7 Anonymous platform (NVIDIA GPU)
1767.97	1747.41	411.62	AstroPulse v7 Anonymous platform (NVIDIA GPU)
1756.2	1734.47	398.39	AstroPulse v7 Anonymous platform (NVIDIA GPU)
2010.36	1946.03	507.85	AstroPulse v7 Anonymous platform (NVIDIA GPU)
2078.84	1751	567.42	AstroPulse v7 Anonymous platform (NVIDIA GPU)
1795.16	1742.11	448.19	AstroPulse v7 Anonymous platform (NVIDIA GPU)
1776.35	1728.13	447.58	AstroPulse v7 Anonymous platform (NVIDIA GPU)
1790.92	1744.93	383.78	AstroPulse v7 Anonymous platform (NVIDIA GPU)
1764.13	1743.67	432.65	AstroPulse v7 Anonymous platform (NVIDIA GPU)
1766.11	1747.63	400.07	AstroPulse v7 Anonymous platform (NVIDIA GPU)
1771.14	1743.37	445.37	AstroPulse v7 Anonymous platform (NVIDIA GPU)
6.24	1.31	0.68	AstroPulse v7 Anonymous platform (NVIDIA GPU)
1754.33	1736.88	398.55	AstroPulse v7 Anonymous platform (NVIDIA GPU)
1753.16	1736.74	374.29	AstroPulse v7 Anonymous platform (NVIDIA GPU)
1763.1	1746.68	415.11	AstroPulse v7 Anonymous platform (NVIDIA GPU)
1761.77	1741.85	413.22	AstroPulse v7 Anonymous platform (NVIDIA GPU)
1771.91	1752.19	480.57	AstroPulse v7 Anonymous platform (NVIDIA GPU)
1764	1746.79	477.9	AstroPulse v7 Anonymous platform (NVIDIA GPU)
1766.58	1741.46	412.41	AstroPulse v7 Anonymous platform (NVIDIA GPU)


These are the last 20 tasks as at time of posting. there are only 4 tasks below 400 credits (just) and 4 over 470.

It looks like my average credit for normal tasks goes up about 40 each day since we started doing AP v7. Even the highly blanked tasks are tracking up as well.
2163) Message boards : Number crunching : APv7-related issues and errors (Message 1587368)
Posted 15 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Im getting computation errors for Astropulse on my Mac

Wed 15 Oct 21:12:08 2014 | SETI@home | Starting task ap_07se14aa_B3_P1_00147_20141014_20843.wu_2
Wed 15 Oct 21:12:09 2014 | SETI@home | Computation for task ap_07se14aa_B3_P1_00147_20141014_20843.wu_2 finished
Wed 15 Oct 21:12:09 2014 | SETI@home | Output file ap_07se14aa_B3_P1_00147_20141014_20843.wu_2_0 for task ap_07se14aa_B3_P1_00147_20141014_20843.wu_2 absent



Wed 15 Oct 18:36:08 2014 | | Starting BOINC client version 7.2.42 for x86_64-apple-darwin
Wed 15 Oct 18:36:08 2014 | | log flags: file_xfer, sched_ops, task
Wed 15 Oct 18:36:08 2014 | | Libraries: libcurl/7.26.0 OpenSSL/1.0.1e zlib/1.2.5 c-ares/1.9.1
Wed 15 Oct 18:36:08 2014 | | Data directory: /Library/Application Support/BOINC Data
Wed 15 Oct 18:36:08 2014 | | OpenCL: AMD/ATI GPU 0: Radeon HD 4850 (driver version 1.0, device version OpenCL 1.0, 512MB, 512MB available, 402 GFLOPS peak)
Wed 15 Oct 18:36:08 2014 | | OpenCL CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5 CPU 750 @ 2.67GHz (OpenCL driver vendor: Apple, driver version 1.1, device version OpenCL 1.2)
Wed 15 Oct 18:36:08 2014 | | Host name: Stephens-iMac.local
Wed 15 Oct 18:36:08 2014 | | Processor: 4 GenuineIntel Intel(R) Core(TM) i5 CPU 750 @ 2.67GHz [x86 Family 6 Model 30 Stepping 5]
Wed 15 Oct 18:36:08 2014 | | Processor features: fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clfsh ds acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss htt tm pbe pni dtes64 mon dscpl vmx smx est tm2 ssse3 cx16 tpr pdcm sse4_1 sse4_2 popcnt
Wed 15 Oct 18:36:08 2014 | | OS: Mac OS X 10.9.5 (Darwin 13.4.0)
Wed 15 Oct 18:36:08 2014 | | Memory: 16.00 GB physical, 733.01 GB virtual
Wed 15 Oct 18:36:08 2014 | | Disk: 930.71 GB total, 732.77 GB free
Wed 15 Oct 18:36:08 2014 | | Local time is UTC +1 hours

That is the 4th error documented above. ATI HD 4xxx cards do not seem to be very happy on MAC.
2164) Message boards : Number crunching : running 2 amd 6570's on dell rig (Message 1587333)
Posted 15 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
This can also be done instead of connecting each card to a monitor.
http://www.hal6000.com/seti/manual_display_detect.htm
2165) Message boards : Number crunching : Something strange... (Message 1587234)
Posted 15 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Strangely the computer is still connecting to the S@H servers,and the HD light is flashing like crazy.....

Have you tried remotely connecting to the client to see if it is still working?
2166) Message boards : Number crunching : Something strange... (Message 1587227)
Posted 15 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I had that happen on a machine with a TNT2 as the GPU was dying, but I wouldn't think a brand new 980 should be doing that.
2167) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (90) Server Problems? (Message 1587188)
Posted 15 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I got a little excited when I looked at some of my machines and saw 200 valid. However it looks like AP v7 taste are not being purged. Which could very well be on purpose, but it may not. The dates on the valid tasks go back to October 10th & anything reported prior to that looks to be purged.
2168) Message boards : Number crunching : Problem with AstroPulse v7 (Message 1586765)
Posted 14 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The use of Display Driver Uninstaller to clean the current driver & SDK from your system would be a good idea. Then either Catalyst 14.9 or Catalyst 14.4 would probably be a good choice for your system.
2169) Message boards : Number crunching : Lunatics Windows Installer v0.43 Release Notes (Message 1586636)
Posted 14 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Awhile back I had trouble with the last new v0.42 app with my older ATI cards...Will I be needing to download a special version again and if so where?

The AP v7 apps for ATI cards should work much better on the lower end cards. I had issues with the v0.42 GPU apps as well. At Beta many issues were resolved.
2170) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (90) Server Problems? (Message 1586500)
Posted 13 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The AP splitters doesn't fire on all cylinders. Too many:

SETI@home 2014-10-13 23:30 Requesting new tasks for GPU
SETI@home 2014-10-13 23:30 Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks

Sorry I got to them before you.
10/13/2014 17:20:59 SETI@home Requesting new tasks for CPU and ATI
10/13/2014 17:21:02 SETI@home Scheduler request completed: got 10 new tasks
2171) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (90) Server Problems? (Message 1586417)
Posted 13 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Well.. I've just started my offline testing of the two CPU apps for APv7.. x86_AVX and x64_SSE3. Seeing as the same WU was just finished by r557 AVX and reported, I now have a time to compare it to. 5.87% blanking on that WU. I guess one with zero blanking should have been used, but I'm still interested to see which version finishes faster on my CPU. I'll find out in 11-12 hours (or more, maybe).

Annnnd.. done.

Results:

r557 AVX SSE2: 39,734 seconds
r2692 x86 AVX: 34,558 seconds
r2692 x64 SSE3: 34,417 seconds

All with the same WU that had 5.86% blanking with 3 singles and 1 repeating pulse. So it looks like there isn't really a difference between the two, but I'm still going with x64 SSE3.

No data for the x64 AVX?
2172) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (90) Server Problems? (Message 1586298)
Posted 13 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Any new AP's before tomorrows outage?
Yes or No? :-)

Take a guess.

I asked my magic 8 ball.
2173) Message boards : Number crunching : a mystery (to me): why aren't larger MB's more popular? (Message 1586229)
Posted 13 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Why does everything have to be crammed up so tight? You have to measure every damned mm and make templates of this or that.

Sure the electronics runs a little faster because it's shorter distances to travel, but it seems that the tight fit is ridiculous. They can't keep cramming more and more into such a small space.

Well there are standards for motherboard sizes. I think mostly it is driven by what corporations want in their computers & the requirements set by the chip manufactures.
Having large amounts of empty space would also cost the motherboard manufactures more money.
2174) Message boards : Number crunching : all these different versions for AP cpu's? (Message 1586226)
Posted 13 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hey great,
That makes sense to me.
Thanks

--edit
On the other hand: Since it knows what kind of cpu I have, wouldn't it also know which instruction set is the fastest for my host?

The project doesn't keep a record of every CPU made, its capabilities, & what kinds of apps run best that that CPU. Someone would have to continuously update that list & the data doesn't really exist yet when a new app is released anyway. Also the newest instruction set isn't always the fastest on every system. So the try them all and see which works best is a more logical solution for the project to use.
2175) Message boards : Number crunching : AP v7 Credit Impact (Message 1586046)
Posted 13 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Gee Lionel, I bet that you wish now that you didn't abort all that v7 MB work that you had before the last AP feeding? :-O

Cheers.


Wiggo: No, not at all. I wanted to get an early indication of where v7 AP was going. As I have said prior, the early units received somewhere between 120 / 180 credits (that was for about a 45 minute run per WU). Over time that rose to where it is today (circa 280) and I am not seeing any further increase in credit/recognition for effort.

At this point I cannot see any reason for preferring v7 AP over v7 MB.

cheers

Just a few points;
The Slowest APv7 CPU tasks haven't even had a chance to finish.
The main reason MBv7 suffered such a RAC drop was due to the GPU App being much Slower than MBv6.
The APv7 GPU App is slightly faster than the APv6 App, hence, a similar RAC drop would not be expected.

Due to the differences, MB & AP will never pay the same based solely on Math. If it is such an Issue, I suggest an external fudge factor be added to equalize them. I suggested this a while back, it wouldn't be difficult to implement.
All it would take is to convince the right person(s).

Eric has explain before that anything he would do to try in order to equalized the credit to where it was before would get revered by CreditNew.

In theory it seems like it would be possible for someone to externally change the base credit. By settings up a large number of VM's and running the base stock app.
2176) Message boards : Number crunching : AP v7 Credit Impact (Message 1586021)
Posted 13 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
It has been mentioned numerous times now of how the credit did the same thing at Beta. In fact it started out much lower at Beta than it here here on Main. Over time it ramped up to a average near the same as AP v6.

If the credit is bothering you then perhaps you should only run MB until AP "pays" what you feel it should for your computing time? Or you could sit back and hold on for the ride like everyone else who isn't whining about it.
2177) Message boards : Number crunching : AP V7 (Message 1586019)
Posted 13 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
How about this one!! ;-))

100% blanked

AP v handled 100% blanked the same.
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/result.php?resultid=3749943302
2178) Message boards : Number crunching : AP V7 (Message 1586004)
Posted 12 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Told ya....You seem to have forgotten about AstroPulse v7 v7.00...

I would tell you how to 'adjust' BOINC to run that dog with AstroPulse v7 v7.03, but, I kinda want a number of those dogs to get added to the CreditFew database. 'cause, when enough of those dogs get 'assimilated' the APv7 credits will go "to da Moon Alice...to da Moon"
:-)

Yes, it was observed in Beta...

LOL. An ulterior motive at work here, I see. ;^)

Okay, well, I'll just let them run then....but really hope I don't get any more of those bowwows. I noticed that the wingmen for both of those WUs have already reported, so I can see that they've both got 0.00% blanking which, theorectically I guess, should mean that their run times will be as fast as they possibly could be. I shudder to think what a highly blanked WU would do, even with the v7 improvements.

Highly blanked tasks run less time now. Here are some CPU run times on one of my machines for 0% blanked & 72% blanked.
2179) Message boards : Number crunching : AP V7 (Message 1586000)
Posted 12 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
In the initial round of AP v7 tasks, my T7400 (running stock) received 3 CPU tasks (vs. 163 GPU tasks). The first of those is an "AstroPulse v7 v7.03 (sse2)", while the other 2 are "AstroPulse v7 v7.00". All 3 are currently running on that machine and the disparity in run times has really gotten my attention.

The v7.03 (sse2) task has been running about 15 hours and is just over 77% done. If that pace continues, it should finish in about 20 hours (or less), which would be quite favorable vs. the normal AP v6 run times which tended to be in the 30-50 hour range.

However, the v7.00 tasks are a very different story. The first one has been running just over 13 hours but is only about 12.6% complete, while the second one has been running about 4 hours and 20 minutes and just passed the 4% mark. If that pace is maintained, each of those tasks will take over 100 hours to complete, much worse than the comparable AP v6 tasks.

I've been intermittently checking on the progress of the first two tasks for about the last 6-7 hours, and the last task since it was launched, and the progress vs. time on each of them has stayed pretty consistent with the way they look right now.

So, I'm wondering, what is the fundamental difference between the v7.00 app and the v7.03 (sse2) app, and did the beta testing happen to show such a wide variation on any particular hardware setups? The CPUs on that machine are Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5430 @ 2.66GHz [Family 6 Model 23 Stepping 10].

Are you looking for differences other than the SEE optimizations that the 7.03 app has?
2180) Message boards : Number crunching : air cooled vs. liquid cooled cpu's re. NOISE (Message 1585933)
Posted 12 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I see now that with the liquid cooled cpu's they still have to have fans blowing on a radiator in order to cool the liquid. As far as I know these liquid cooled units may be just as noisy as the air cooled.

Is there a simple clear answer or does it depend on this and that?

It took me a bit to find this review, but I think it is exactly the information you are after.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/h100i-elc240-seidon-240m-lq320,3380-12.html
2181) Message boards : Number crunching : air cooled vs. liquid cooled cpu's re. NOISE (Message 1585924)
Posted 12 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I am using air cooling and honestly the CPU coolers are basically silent.

Um... yeah, good thing Pentium 4 went the way of dinosours.

I didn't have much noise with my P4 setup. I used a Thermalright XP-90 with a silent 92mm fan on a 3.0GHz Northwood. Then later changed the CPU to a 3.0GHz Prescott.
2182) Message boards : Number crunching : air cooled vs. liquid cooled cpu's re. NOISE (Message 1585907)
Posted 12 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I am using air cooling and honestly the CPU coolers are basically silent. When my GPU isn't crunching I'll hear my hard drives spinning over the sound of the CPU cooler at full load. The stock GPU coolers are the loudest parts of any of my computers.
For any cooler with fans you will often see a rating for noise. Such as "Fan Noise Level 34.0 / 26.5 dBA". Near 30 dBA is normally considered silent. Depending on the cooling system it will probably not be running at it's maximum fan speed constantly unless it is to small, or the fan speed controls for the system are not configured correctly.
2183) Message boards : Number crunching : Invalid tasks? (Message 1585894)
Posted 12 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hmm, perhaps an obvious answer - but how did you tell what device the errors were coming from?

I recently removed my slowest card (5770), and replaced it with a second R9 280x.
So now I have: two R9 280x and a 7850. The 7850 should be dev 2 (assuming they start from 0.)

When you look at the result it will tell you.
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/result.php?resultid=3780094258
<core_client_version>7.2.42</core_client_version>
<![CDATA[
<stderr_txt>
Running on device number: 2
Priority of worker thread raised successfully
Priority of process adjusted successfully, below normal priority class used
OpenCL platform detected: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.
BOINC assigns device 2
Info: BOINC provided device ID used

Build features: SETI7 Non-graphics OpenCL USE_OPENCL_HD5xxx OCL_ZERO_COPY OCL_CHIRP3 FFTW AMD specific USE_SSE x86
CPUID: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4790K CPU @ 4.00GHz

Cache: L1=64K L2=256K

CPU features: FPU TSC PAE CMPXCHG8B APIC SYSENTER MTRR CMOV/CCMP MMX FXSAVE/FXRSTOR SSE SSE2 HT SSE3 SSSE3 FMA3 SSE4.1 SSE4.2 AVX
OpenCL-kernels filename : MultiBeam_Kernels_r1843.cl
ar=2.721275 NumCfft=99655 NumGauss= 0 NumPulse= 5642485759 NumTriplet= 1868951453696


Further down in the section that lists the devices it has them in order.


OpenCL Platform Name: AMD Accelerated Parallel Processing
Number of devices: 3
Max compute units: 32
Max work group size: 256
Max clock frequency: 1020Mhz
Max memory allocation: 1073741824
Cache type: Read/Write
Cache line size: 64
Cache size: 16384
Global memory size: 3221225472
Constant buffer size: 65536
Max number of constant args: 8
Local memory type: Scratchpad
Local memory size: 32768
Queue properties:
Out-of-Order: No
Name: Tahiti
Vendor: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.
Driver version: 1445.5 (VM)
Version: OpenCL 1.2 AMD-APP (1445.5)

Max compute units: 32
Max work group size: 256
Max clock frequency: 1020Mhz
Max memory allocation: 1073741824
Cache type: Read/Write
Cache line size: 64
Cache size: 16384
Global memory size: 3221225472
Constant buffer size: 65536
Max number of constant args: 8
Local memory type: Scratchpad
Local memory size: 32768
Queue properties:
Out-of-Order: No
Name: Tahiti
Vendor: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.
Driver version: 1445.5 (VM)
Version: OpenCL 1.2 AMD-APP (1445.5)

Max compute units: 16
Max work group size: 256
Max clock frequency: 1020Mhz
Max memory allocation: 1073741824
Cache type: Read/Write
Cache line size: 64
Cache size: 16384
Global memory size: 2147483648
Constant buffer size: 65536
Max number of constant args: 8
Local memory type: Scratchpad
Local memory size: 32768
Queue properties:
Out-of-Order: No
Name: Pitcairn
Vendor: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.
Driver version: 1445.5 (VM)
Version: OpenCL 1.2 AMD-APP (1445.5)
2184) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (90) Server Problems? (Message 1585830)
Posted 12 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hey, I've only just noticed that we have 2014 data on the server status page, and we're finally splitting the last of the 2013 tapes loaded back in April. More work for me at the end of the month :)

We can finally stop burning a candle for the '13 data sets! It's a good thing too. The budget for candles was starting to get a bit nuts.
2185) Message boards : Number crunching : APv7-related issues and errors (Message 1585828)
Posted 12 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
7A) same as 7) but for iGPU: INTEL Intel(R) HD Graphics (1752MB) OpenCL: 1.2
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/results.php?hostid=7344909

CPU is a Intel(R) Pentium(R) CPU G2020T @ 2.50GHz, anyone tested if app works on this CPU/GPU combination?

We're only seeing the device fallback mode in the stderr.txt, and not the app startup and device detection.

Claggy

That's an interesting, and rather troubling, development. The G2020T - like many other lower-end Intel chips - is listed as having plain 'Intel® HD Graphics'. By contrast, CPUs that we know can be used for crunching on OpenCL projects, like the i7-4770K are listed as 'Intel® HD Graphics 4600' - always with a number. We know that 2000 and 3000 (Sandy Bridge) didn't work, and iGPU crunching started with 2500 and 4000, Ivy Bridge.

If Intel's drivers are now advertising OpenCL 1.2 capability on even the smallest CPUs, as they appear to be doing on the download page, how are we - and more importantly, BOINC - going to be able to distinguish which iGPUs are capable of general-purpose computing?

I did use my Bay Trail system at Beta. Like other low end GPUs it also is listed as INTEL Intel(R) HD Graphics (1195MB) OpenCL: 1.2. The only problem I had was the estimated completion time from the server was far to low. Where the GPU takes ~20 hours to complete 1 AP the server was giving me ~1-1.5 hours. So the two tasks that it tried before I stopped ended in 197 (0xc5) EXIT_TIME_LIMIT_EXCEEDED.
I had planned to try again with a clean instance of BOINC to see if the estimate issue was just something odd in my client, but I had not gotten to that yet.

The HD Graphics found in the G2020T looks to be the same GPU as the HD Graphics 2500 found in the 3rd generation i3 CPUs, but with a lower maximum clock.
2186) Message boards : Number crunching : some kind of external 2.5" device?? (Message 1585809)
Posted 12 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

Or again, you could use something like this: -

[IMG ]http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff93/pjd56/ALIM0551_zps232b621e.jpg[/IMG]

By pressing the small button, the spring loaded latch shoots open & pulls the drive out just enough to be able to remove it without any issues.

Edit:

For those using SSD's, are they the same size as a notebook drive with the connections the same?

The SATA connector is common across all SATA drives from 5.25" to 2.5". The 1.8" & smaller drives have a smaller micro connector. The SATA connector is also compatible with SAS. So you can use a SATA drive with a SAS controller, but you can not use a SAS drive with a SATA controller.
2187) Message boards : Number crunching : some kind of external 2.5" device?? (Message 1585644)
Posted 12 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
That's amazing.

Another question: On the machine I was referring to there is not an eject button. Do you just push on it and it pops out or are you stuck with it for all eternity. A silly question if you already know the answer, I admit. Well, you know me. I am trying to imagine what kind of spring loaded gizmo you would need in order to pull out a sata connector. Must be some kind of modified connector.

--edit
Oh yes, my common sense tells me that you don't push it all the way in. Then you have to pull hard to get it out. Then the question becomes how long does this connector last. 1,000 pushs and pulls?

It works the same way as an external USB hard drive. In that you tell the OS to "eject" so it spins the drive down. Then you would just yank it out like you would a USB cable. It should not require much force to insert or remove the drive & I expect it would probably not be as robust as a USB port, but should last quite some time.
2188) Message boards : Number crunching : AP 7 7.04 units download, start, then go to 'waiting to run' (Message 1585361)
Posted 11 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
AMD AMD Radeon HD 6520G/6530D/6550D/6620G (SuperSumo) (512MB) driver: 1.4.1417 OpenCL: 1.1

That's an really ancient driver, Cat 11.6 and OpenCL runtime 2.4.650.9 and uses SDK 2.4, I think you need at least an SDK 2.6 or 2.7 driver:

ATI Driver Version Cheat Sheet

Claggy

I recall drivers as old as Cat 11.12 was used at Beta. If that is minimum requirement maybe Eric can see about putting in a restriction on the stock plan class? I know how much he loves dealing like ATI driver detection.
2189) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (90) Server Problems? (Message 1585324)
Posted 11 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
download the apps from Crunchers Anonymous, decompress them, copy them to the project directory, and run aimerge or aimergeg to combine the aistub's into an app_info
Claggy


Uh........I'll wait for the new Lunatics installer, being true to their name I'm sure it's being worked on now :). I may try the download and copy if I run out of weekend things to do.

Thanks again, everyone.

Richard stated in the AP7 problems thread that the new installer may be released in the next 48 hours or so.
2190) Message boards : Number crunching : some kind of external 2.5" device?? (Message 1585322)
Posted 11 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Nice,
I thought I was pretty slick about six months ago when I bought a plug-in to a usb 2.0 that had a simple sata data and power connector on it where I could connect it to any internal 5 1/4" drive and all along they had these things that I didn't even know about. I'm aging fast. :-)

Your rate of aging remains constant. Technology on the other hands tends to advance a bit faster.
2191) Message boards : Number crunching : AP V7 (Message 1585319)
Posted 11 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Is there some written documentation on all the options available in the app_info file and their effects on the application? That would be most helpful to me and, I suspect, to many of us. :-)

http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Anonymous_platform

I forget the method for how to calculate flops. I suspend processing and then adjust it until I find the correct value.

Beware modifying you app_info.xml incorrectly can cause BOINC to dump all of the work in your queue.
2192) Message boards : Number crunching : some kind of external 2.5" device?? (Message 1585312)
Posted 11 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I never had a notebook. You mean you just take a plain old internal 2.5" sata drive and just stick it in and it works?

Yep. That is the purpose of a drive dock. You can get an external drive dock for any computer if you want. They come in IDE or SATA. Some connect via USB or using eSATA.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BESTMATCH&Description=drive+dock&N=-1&isNodeId=1
Sometimes a case manufacture will incorporate them into the design. Like the case you have.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100007583&IsNodeId=1&bop=And&ActiveSearchResult=True&SrchInDesc=dock&Page=1&PageSize=20
2193) Message boards : Number crunching : AP V7 (Message 1585309)
Posted 11 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I'm now have 24 AP v7 GPU validated tasks listed. But the 21:42:15 estimated run time still exists for the remaining 103 AP tasks, 4 of which are running all running high priority. This is well beyond the supposed level of 11 tasks required for balancing the estimated run time. With the remaining 99 tasks all having the expected deadline/report date of 11/04, they also will be running in a HP state. Questions - When does the scheduler update the estimated run times for a specific app on a specific host? Is anyone else experiencing this situation?

The estimated time will be for new tasks you download. Tasks currently in your queue retain their estimated run time.


So, I can expect all remaining initial tasks to run as High Priority? There should be some way other than resetting the project to get the manager to reset times already in the queue.

There is if you remember how to do <flops> in your app_info.xml
2194) Message boards : Number crunching : some kind of external 2.5" device?? (Message 1585305)
Posted 11 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Well I don't know about 2.5" external hdd/sata drives. I understand I would have to pin it myself to the MB, but I never heard of those kind of drives. I will have to read up on what exactly they are. I have external hdd on my old equipment but they are internal drives inside of an enclosure 5.25" and I've heard of and almost bought a 3.5" (I think) SSD internal drive but this here is new to me. I'll have to read up on it. Thanks

The 2.5" form factor has been standard in notebooks for years, perhaps decades. A drive dock is to be used with a drive that is not in an enclosure. Most SSD's are 2.5" and the form factor is becoming more common for desktops. I only use 2.5" drives in my HTPC for lower power consumption.
With SATA being hot plug by design you can take a bare 2.5" SATA drive & stick it into the dock without having to put it in a external enclosure. The advantages are the full speed of SATA & high portability.
It would be good if you had two machines in different locations & were working on something with lots of data. Then you wouldn't have to mess with synchronizing the data between them. Another possibility is backing up important information and having quick access to remove it for safe keeping.
2195) Message boards : Number crunching : AP V7 (Message 1585300)
Posted 11 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I'm now have 24 AP v7 GPU validated tasks listed. But the 21:42:15 estimated run time still exists for the remaining 103 AP tasks, 4 of which are running all running high priority. This is well beyond the supposed level of 11 tasks required for balancing the estimated run time.

No, you only have 13 non-Outlier tasks completed, not 24, the 'Consecutive valid tasks' value includes all the outlier tasks, tasks that end early don't count.

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/host_app_versions.php?hostid=5501972

Since you're only just past your 11 validated tasks, try another request for GPU work, it should get updated when you receive some.
(It should have already done so, since you're received two Wu's since you posted that)

Claggy


You lost me with the 13 non-Outlier completed. When looking at my tasks list for this host, I see now 25 validated tasks http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/results.php?hostid=5501972&offset=0&show_names=0&state=4&appid=20. How do I distinguish between non & Outlier tasks? What determines an early task? The only ones that I see that have a short run time are 100% blanked. The scheduler still hasn't updated my manager, as I have not only requested an update manually, but also have stopped and started BOINC with the same results.


If you looks at the Application Details for your host you will see the number of tasks completed.

[img ]http://www.hal6000.com/seti/images/completed_tasks.png[/img]


As I only installed the v7 apps late yesterday afternoon and reset the project after suspending all non running tasks and waited until all running tasks had completed at:

10-Oct-2014 21:29:08 [SETI@home] Resetting project
10-Oct-2014 21:29:28 [SETI@home] work fetch resumed by user
10-Oct-2014 21:29:33 [SETI@home] Master file download succeeded
10-Oct-2014 21:29:38 [SETI@home] Sending scheduler request: To fetch work.
10-Oct-2014 21:29:38 [SETI@home] Requesting new tasks for CPU and NVIDIA GPU
10-Oct-2014 21:29:41 [SETI@home] Scheduler request completed: got 20 new tasks

Where is the disconnect between the application details page and the host task list?

Only tasks that are applied to APR are listed as completed on the Application Detail page. The task list is just that. The list of tasks and their various status.
Not every task you do will be counted towards the APR & you don't want every task to be. Otherwise you would end up with highly fluctuating estimates.
2196) Message boards : Number crunching : some kind of external 2.5" device?? (Message 1585291)
Posted 11 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
If you mean the slot shown here. Then it is just a 2.5" drive dock. You would only need to connect your SATA data & power cables to it if you wanted to use it. The dock itself may be optional & the hole would be there in the event you purchased it.
2197) Message boards : Number crunching : AP V7 (Message 1585289)
Posted 11 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I'm now have 24 AP v7 GPU validated tasks listed. But the 21:42:15 estimated run time still exists for the remaining 103 AP tasks, 4 of which are running all running high priority. This is well beyond the supposed level of 11 tasks required for balancing the estimated run time.

No, you only have 13 non-Outlier tasks completed, not 24, the 'Consecutive valid tasks' value includes all the outlier tasks, tasks that end early don't count.

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/host_app_versions.php?hostid=5501972

Since you're only just past your 11 validated tasks, try another request for GPU work, it should get updated when you receive some.
(It should have already done so, since you're received two Wu's since you posted that)

Claggy


You lost me with the 13 non-Outlier completed. When looking at my tasks list for this host, I see now 25 validated tasks http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/results.php?hostid=5501972&offset=0&show_names=0&state=4&appid=20. How do I distinguish between non & Outlier tasks? What determines an early task? The only ones that I see that have a short run time are 100% blanked. The scheduler still hasn't updated my manager, as I have not only requested an update manually, but also have stopped and started BOINC with the same results.


If you looks at the Application Details for your host you will see the number of tasks completed.

2198) Message boards : Number crunching : some kind of external 2.5" device?? (Message 1585285)
Posted 11 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
My new case has a slot in the front for a 2.5" device. I have no idea what this is. Is that for an SSD? My manual tells me nothing about what this is!
I'm sure this is just another stupid question but there it is.

You mean like a drive dock?

What is the make & model of the case? Perhaps their manufacture website has some info, or we can at least see what this slot is.
2199) Message boards : Number crunching : AP V7 (Message 1585278)
Posted 11 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I'm now have 24 AP v7 GPU validated tasks listed. But the 21:42:15 estimated run time still exists for the remaining 103 AP tasks, 4 of which are running all running high priority. This is well beyond the supposed level of 11 tasks required for balancing the estimated run time. With the remaining 99 tasks all having the expected deadline/report date of 11/04, they also will be running in a HP state. Questions - When does the scheduler update the estimated run times for a specific app on a specific host? Is anyone else experiencing this situation?

The estimated time will be for new tasks you download. Tasks currently in your queue retain their estimated run time.
2200) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (90) Server Problems? (Message 1585255)
Posted 11 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
This being the first time I have been through an upgrade I'm confused. I received a Boinc notice that my "app_info.xml file doesn't have a usable version of AstroPulse v7". Question I have is will the usable version be automatically added to my S@H app_info.xml file? Or do I need to manually download the necessary update? I am running Lunatic software and assume that will need an update to correctly process v7.

This is probably pretty basic to those of you who have been in the project for many years but we 'newbies' get lost as those basics are unknown to us.

Any helpful comments would be greatly appreciated.

You will want to use the new lunatics installer once it is released. Unless you feel up to modifying your app_info.xml yourself.
2201) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (90) Server Problems? (Message 1585150)
Posted 11 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
30mr09ac seems to have most of its channels finishing in error. Anyone get MB work from that data set yet?
2202) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (90) Server Problems? (Message 1585114)
Posted 11 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Got 28 validations on 2 different machines, but credit scores are still low. Hope you are right about it getting better. Lowest credit I've had is 42. Highest 200. Will see what happens as they get closer to 100 validations(I don't know if that number has any relevance but it's what I'm going to use to see how the credits adjust as they get done.) That is probably going to take most of the weekend.

The number that counts is;
Number of tasks completed 18
Max tasks per day 89
Number of tasks today 291
Consecutive valid tasks 56
Average processing rate 906.20 GFLOPS

Once it reaches 11 completed, the time estimate is based on APR. Of course, you probably need your WingPersons to also reach 11 completions before the Credit changes much.

Looks like we just had a large number of APv6 results validate;

[im g]http://setistats.haveland.com/munin-cgi/munin-cgi-graph/setiathome/setiathome/ap_workunits-day.png[/img] [img ]http://setistats.haveland.com/munin-cgi/munin-cgi-graph/setiathome/setiathome/ap_workunits-week.png[/img]

It is still going as well. I was at 580 Valid AP v6 & then 673 after only a few seconds. I think someone must be running a script to force the WUs to be checked for validation.
Looks like tomorrow will be our epic stat day.
2203) Message boards : Number crunching : Config question - how to leave 1 gpu always running? (Message 1585110)
Posted 11 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
<ignore_cuda_dev>N</ignore_cuda_dev>ignore (don't use) a specific NVIDIA GPU. You can ignore more than one. New in 6.10.19 and only to be used till 6.12.41.
[snip]
<ignore_nvidia_dev>N</ignore_nvidia_dev>ignore (don't use) a specific NVIDIA GPU. You can ignore more than one. Replaces <ignore_cuda_dev/> New in 6.13.0
Reminder: Zero will disable device zero, it does not disable the line, only removal does. <ignore_nvidia_dev>1</ignore_nvidia_dev> will ignore the use of the second Nvidia GPU in the system.
Before 6.13.0, <ignore_cuda_dev/> was used. <ignore_nvidia_dev> was added to get it more in line with the specific <ignore_ati_dev>.
From the referenced cc_config.xml . [Emphasis added]

Reminder: the used of "CUDA" in these parameters has been deprecated and is no longer used (after 6.12.41).

Guess it would help if I was paying attention when I copy and paste. Good thing you caught that.
2204) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (90) Server Problems? (Message 1584967)
Posted 10 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
If the blanked tasks take less time than using v6 (as they will), then you would expect less credit per task, but more tasks per day, resulting in the same RAC.

If the credit system worked as documented, that is. ;)


Richard, you are wrong about daily RAC.

AP v6: average run time circa 3800 seconds, credit circa 650.

AP v7: average run time circa 3000 seconds, using credit circa 200 (actually seeing any where between 120 and 160 credits per v7 AP WU as the norm).

The equivalence point based on the circa data above is 513 credits for v7. The implication is a 61% reduction in AP credits per unit time.

I appreciate that run times can be less, but if you factor that in with the credits being actually granted/seen, there is still a significant gap.

Daily RAC will not be the same.

cheers

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=75810&postid=1584709#1584709
2205) Message boards : Number crunching : any guesses as to timing of lunatics for new AP v7 (Message 1584955)
Posted 10 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
any guesses as to timing of lunatics for new AP v7?

If I had to guess I would say. It will be ready when it is ready.
2206) Message boards : Number crunching : AP V7 (Message 1584881)
Posted 10 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I went to both “Mike’s World” and “Crunchers Anonymous” and did not see any AP7 for Linux 32 bit CPU. Am I just not looking in the right place for those optimized apps? Is there a download site for the source code package that I could use to compile my own binary?

If there is something caching between the servers and you try adding a ? to the end of the address. http://mikesworldnet.de/download.html vs. http://mikesworldnet.de/download.html?. I think that only arkayn's site has the linux apps. EDIT: Actually it is the MAC apps.
2207) Message boards : Number crunching : Config question - how to leave 1 gpu always running? (Message 1584843)
Posted 10 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I don't mind running two instances of boinc, but how would one set this up? Is it as simple as just installing the boinc manager twice, to different directories, and then it takes care of itself? Would they be managing separate boinc clients or vying for control of a single client (which seems like it wouldn't help the situation)?

You would have 2 instances of the BOINC client running & you would only need one instance of BOINC Manger, if you even wanted to use BOINC Manager.
There is no out of the box installation options for more than one instance of BOINC. So far only Vyper has written a "how to".
http://vyper.kafit.se/wp/index.php/2011/02/04/running-different-nvidia-architectures-most-optimal-at-setihome/
I keep meaning to do a write up, but just haven't gotten around to it yet.
2208) Message boards : Number crunching : Why so many AP v6 pending? (Message 1584803)
Posted 10 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
There have been problems with the AP validators, but I'm not sure that's the whole story, I just wander if some folks are sitting on piles of un-reported AP in the mistaken belief that sitting on them will speed up the validation process, when in reality all it does is causes the situation to get worse....

I still have a sizable amount of AP v6 to process.
In progress (582) Validation pending (1310)
The number out in the field is near where it would be expected for this many days after splitting finished. So I think the number out in the field are just slowly processing them. My P3 850MHz has a 4 more to do & at 3-6 days per task it is going to take some time.
2209) Message boards : Number crunching : Config question - how to leave 1 gpu always running? (Message 1584790)
Posted 10 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Until BOINC adds GPU specific controls for such a configuration more than one instance of BOINC would be required.
You could modify your cc_config.xml to exclude the primary GPU restart tell BOINC to reread your cc_config.xml, or restart BOINC, whenever you were doing activities on your primary GPU.

When gaming:
<ignore_cuda_dev>0</ignore_cuda_dev>

When not gaming:
<ignore_cuda_dev>3</ignore_cuda_dev>
or
<!--<ignore_cuda_dev>0</ignore_cuda_dev>-->
2210) Message boards : Number crunching : APv7-related issues and errors (Message 1584719)
Posted 10 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
3)
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/results.php?hostid=6759453
Now particular app: AstroPulse v7 v7.04 (opencl_ati_mac) , but not HD4xxx issue now.

Number of OpenCL platforms: 1


OpenCL Platform Name: Apple
Number of devices: 1
Max compute units: 10
Max work group size: 1024
Max clock frequency: 149Mhz
Max memory allocation: 134217728
Cache type: None
Cache line size: 0
Cache size: 0
Global memory size: 536870912
Constant buffer size: 65536
Max number of constant args: 8
Local memory type: Scratchpad
Local memory size: 32768
Queue properties:
Out-of-Order: No
Name: ATI Radeon HD 6970M
Vendor: AMD
Driver version: 1.0
Version: OpenCL 1.0
Extensions: cl_APPLE_gl_sharing


state.fold_buf_size_short=65536; state.fold_buf_size_long=262144
INFO: can't open binary kernel file: /Library/Application Support/BOINC Data/projects/setiathome.berkeley.edu/AstroPulse_Kernels_r2696.cl_ATIRadeonHD6970M.bin_V7_TWIN_FFA_10.8.0_10, continue with recompile...
Error : Building Program (source, clBuildProgram):main kernels: not OK code -11
<program source>:49:25: warning: 'work_group_size_hint' attribute ignored
__kernel __attribute__((work_group_size_hint(1, 1, 1)))
^


</stderr_txt>
]]>

So, build error. But no error in log, just warning...
Could it be that Apple OpenCL runtime treats warnigs as errors?

Looks like same issue present on this host with 5770.
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/results.php?hostid=4040338&offset=0&show_names=0&state=6&appid=20
Number of OpenCL platforms: 1

OpenCL Platform Name: Apple
Number of devices: 1
Max compute units: 10
Max work group size: 1024
Max clock frequency: 1195Mhz
Max memory allocation: 134217728
Cache type: None
Cache line size: 0
Cache size: 0
Global memory size: 536870912
Constant buffer size: 65536
Max number of constant args: 8
Local memory type: Scratchpad
Local memory size: 32768
Queue properties:
Out-of-Order: No
Name: ATI Radeon HD 5770
Vendor: AMD
Driver version: 1.0
Version: OpenCL 1.0
Extensions: cl_APPLE_gl_sharing

state.fold_buf_size_short=65536; state.fold_buf_size_long=262144
INFO: can't open binary kernel file: /Library/Application Support/BOINC Data/projects/setiathome.berkeley.edu/AstroPulse_Kernels_r2696.cl_ATIRadeonHD5770.bin_V7_TWIN_FFA_10.8.0_10, continue with recompile...
Error : Building Program (source, clBuildProgram):main kernels: not OK code -11
<program source>:49:25: warning: 'work_group_size_hint' attribute ignored
__kernel __attribute__((work_group_size_hint(1, 1, 1)))
^

</stderr_txt>
]]>
2211) Message boards : Number crunching : AP V7 (Message 1584709)
Posted 10 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
OK, AP-credits syndrome si cured.
Thanks so much for the Solomonical fix.
Now cruch for MB only, it pays much more - fullstop

This still day one, none of the app versions have reached their 100 validations as far as i can tell, and I seriously doubt any host has their 11 validations for any of their app versions, have patience.

Claggy


Agreed.
I have seen simalar at beta, after some time it balanced to normal level.

At Beta my 6870 averaged 26min and 612 credit over 192 tasks with AP v7. With AP v6 it was averaging closer to 35min. I'm not at home so I don't have the average credit in front of me, but I think the average was around 640. The gives AP v7 an average of 0.392307 credit a second & AP v6 an average of 0.304761 credit per second.
2212) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (90) Server Problems? (Message 1584704)
Posted 10 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have had no ap v6 credit posted (validated) for over a day now ... so my RAC continues to fall ... just like everyine else I suppose.

Q) how do I get AP V7 to download?? I have checked the box on the pref's page, renamed app_info out of the way, restarted Boinc, reset the project, restarted Boinc ... now all I get is requests for Nvidia work and 0 sent ... what's the magic I need??

Ed F

You need luck of the draw. I have some machines that are getting AP V7 tasks & some that are not. It is very early and the tapes are almost done being split so I expect not a large number of machines will get work the first time out.
2213) Message boards : Number crunching : Why so many AP v6 pending? (Message 1584698)
Posted 10 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I think the current plan is to wait and see if the WUs get flagged to be validated on their task expiration date. Which does not require any intervention from the guys in the lab.
I'm not sure if the odd situation would be from a project issue or a BOINC server code issue. If it is the result of a BOINC server issue. Then the BOINC devs would hopefully be looking into it.
2214) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (90) Server Problems? (Message 1584442)
Posted 10 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I don't think any NEW v6 will be split but there are plenty of old v6 out in the field. I've been getting a couple every day when the deadlines to report expire. So there will be stragglers for sometime until they are all done. I've been slowly getting some v7 also but I have to get threw these MBs first.


Happy Crunching....

Zalster

I've setup my machines for both AP v6 & v7. Just as when MB v7 came out. Until all of the old work is gone I'm willing to run it thought the mill.
2215) Message boards : Number crunching : AP V7 (Message 1584324)
Posted 10 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Well that went smooothly, can report a "percent blanked: 74.54" done in under 28 mins on a 670.
and a "percent blanked: 70.98" in ~32 min

edit} how was the high blanked outliers detected in version 6, because I have a Ver7 validated but not showing up in Application Details, "Number of tasks completed"

I know not all valid tasks get counted as "completed", but I had done nearly 50 valid non 30/30 early exit tasks with AP v6 before I had 11 "completed" on one system. Since it was just one system I had just ignored it, but perhaps there is something else going on.
2216) Message boards : Number crunching : AP V7 (Message 1584265)
Posted 9 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Looks like MACs with ATI HD4000 are having an issue with AP v7.
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/workunit.php?wuid=1612643637
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/workunit.php?wuid=1612659323

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/show_host_detail.php?hostid=6837987
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/results.php?hostid=6837987&offset=0&show_names=0&state=0&appid=20

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/show_host_detail.php?hostid=7327237
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/results.php?hostid=7327237&offset=0&show_names=0&state=0&appid=20

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/show_host_detail.php?hostid=5214945
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/results.php?hostid=5214945&offset=0&show_names=0&state=0&appid=20
2217) Message boards : Number crunching : AP V7 (Message 1584251)
Posted 9 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I did receive one AstroPulse v7 7.04 ati_opencl_100 but I was going to let it sit there until my computer got through the other MBs. The time estimate says 11:37:30 which is rather long but nothing to worry about now.

It went a bit the other direction with my iGPU. Giving me an estimated 15 hours rather than the 21.5 hours it normally takes with AP v6. The CPU is clocked in rather high, as expected, at 158 hours. So that should get whittled down to 23 hours over time.
2218) Message boards : Number crunching : Work Buffer (Message 1584208)
Posted 9 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I've set my minimum work buffer to 5 days, with a max additional buffer of 10... doesn't seem to change anything? does the server limit the number of WU's sent? I left BOINC without internet for 6 hours and I almost ran out of GPU WU's.

I would like my cruncher to download, if possible, enough tasks to last 24 hours at least, or 5 days even, so I can set the download/upload time to the specific few hours during the day.

I use 0/10 on some systems & 10/0 on others. It doesn't seem to really matter with a single project in BOINC. SETI@home has server limits on the number of tasks. 100 CPU & (100 GPU * # of vendor GPUs)
2219) Message boards : Number crunching : The ultimate build (Message 1584204)
Posted 9 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The two other dimensions are larger than 5". Go ahead and click on my link and you will see.

Mind that you check that those (exact model) coolers will be compatible to your CPU/socket/motherboard


I hope you do not mind my corrections.

The size dimensions of 7.1 x 6.5 x 5 inches is most likely the shipping box they will use.
A standard desktop DIMM is 133.35 x 30.0 x 4.0 mm or 5.25 x 1.18 x 0.15 inches if you prefer. Standard notation is L x H x W. I would say you should check the manufacture site for exact specs, but Corsair is horrible about doing such things. Well they give you the weight on their site... <sarcasm> because that is a rather critical things to know.</sarcasm>
2220) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (90) Server Problems? (Message 1584146)
Posted 9 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The home page got fixed and this is probably the problem with the AP validation.
ap validate v6 synergy Not Running
ap validate v7 synergy Running

It looks like the staus of the AP validators is backwards

The status of "Not Running" isn't really a problem. The validator seems to be switching on & off as there are things for it to do.
2221) Message boards : Number crunching : The ultimate build (Message 1584142)
Posted 9 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
And sometimes the emotions get involved there a bit too.

I just got my new motherboard from UPS. It's an ASRock Z87. I have one concern; the cpu is very close to the 4 memory slots which are thicker (the memory sticks that is) than the old ones in that they have, I guess, a built in heatsink. So now I have to be careful that my cpu heatsink/fan is "slim" enough. I need to measure everything out and do some research. The MB is a little larger than a standard 12x9.6" board.

Depending on how tall the memory you have it could be an issue. The CPU memory layout is pretty standard & looks like it is exactly the same as my MB. Even using a massive Noctura D-14 cooler I was fine for clearance with the memory.
http://www.hal6000.com/seti/images/host_5837483_01.png
I was worried about the height of the cooler, but the specs for the case include the max cooler height allowed & it was within 5mm. So was fine.
2222) Message boards : Number crunching : The ultimate build (Message 1584111)
Posted 9 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Yes sir and I am so used to 8 threads, I couldn't go with the 4.

I went back & forth several times between the i5 & i7. Either is a good choice. If I was building a machine for pure crunching then I would have spent the extra money for the i7. Given the primary purpose of my machines is not crunching I didn't justify the extra cost of the i7 over the i5.
2223) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (90) Server Problems? (Message 1584068)
Posted 9 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
It sure would be nice if we new what is going on with the APs and the home page. Oh well I shall crunch on.

Indeed. Until they stop sending out work completely I shall be crunching on something. Until new work is generated we will know know if the current issue with WUs getting flagged to validate is an ongoing issue. It could already be resolved & things will clean themselves up over time.
2224) Message boards : Number crunching : CPU power required to drive 4 AMD GPU ? (Message 1584062)
Posted 9 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hal9000 i have a question as i am gob smacked at how he can run 4 GPU's on a 2 core celeron so i looked up the card .
My question is this .

Is what AMD call stream processing units simular to CUDA cores , as this card he has says it has 1792 stream processing units , so i'm thinking that would be like saying 1792 CUDA cores ?

Without getting to technical about the differences between the 2 types

Before Nvidia stated using the term "CUDA cores" they and everyone else used the term "Shaders". ATI used the term "Stream processors".
If you look at the list for ATI or Nvidia on Wikipedia you will see the "Core config" column. Which lists the Unified Shaders, Texture mapping units, & Render output units for each GPU. If you compare the Titan Z with the Radeon R9 295X2. Then you will se two cards with a similar core config but two very different results.

How the software, firmware/drivers/apps, make use of that hardware is what really separates the two.
2225) Message boards : Number crunching : Can I require that seti@home run only one task at a time? (Message 1583931)
Posted 9 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Right now BOINC has about 20 tasks in the cue and at least four that are started. So when the screensaver comes on it flips between the running tasks so rapidly I can't see the graphs. I know they are basically meaningless but it is entertaining to watch them from time to time. So, is there a setting that restricts how many tasks are active at one time?

There are two different kinds of answers depending on exactly what you want.
-If you were just wanting to watch one of the instances while still running more in the background. Then the screen saver setting would be the best option.
-If you want watch every single task via the screen saver. Then limiting how many tasks BOINC runs is the best option.

The screen saver option to adjust would be Switch between project screensavers every set to never, or a very high value greater than the time it takes to run a task.

As described in the manual:
Switch between project screensavers every: selects how often to switch among project graphics within the project graphics duration. This has an effect only if it is shorter than the project graphics duration and only if your computer can run multiple BOINC tasks simultaneously (e.g., if the computer has multiple processors). If you choose never, the project graphics for just one task will be shown for the entire project graphics duration of each cycle, switching only if that task stops running.

It is customizable for exactly what you would like. In either case
2226) Message boards : Number crunching : CPU power required to drive 4 AMD GPU ? (Message 1583929)
Posted 9 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
i have already run SetiPerformance, thats why i was running three threads/GPU

thanks for the info about cpu instances, i have done as you said and it looks like a little pressure has been relieved, still bouncing 80-90.

it will be interesting what RAC is possible with this rig, somewhere in the top 40 i hope, although its all nvidia up there

For MB work the NV is most efficient and for AP ATI is most efficient, but both will run the jobs just fine.
If you wanted to start running AP on your GPUs. Then you may want to wait until we are fully switched over to AP v7. Due to your lower powered CPU. As AP v6 does blanking on the CPU.
2227) Message boards : Number crunching : voltage regulator obsessions (Message 1583901)
Posted 9 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I hang power strips off of my UPS as well, but I don't bother with ones that have built in surge protection. The UPS has me covered there. Sometimes I just need more outlets, outlets spaced further apart, or a slight extension for something that is to far form the UPS.
2228) Message boards : Number crunching : Creadit Scoring. (Message 1583900)
Posted 9 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I've just noticed that the Top 25% of Credit Badge I had I've lost, is that simply because someone else has overtaken on the Credit leader boards?

If you look at the Project Stats for SETI@home on BOINCstats.
http://boincstats.com/en/stats/0/project/detail/
It will show you there are 122,553 active SETI@home users. If you take the number of active users 122553 * .25(for 25%) you will get 30638.25. Which is the minimum position to be in the top 25%. You can figure the same thing for the 5% & 1% badges if you would like.

Then you can look at your users stats for SETI@Home.
http://boincstats.com/en/stats/0/user/detail/10036006
Which shows your current rank at 32,774.

These numbers change often & it could be from your RAC going down, more people with a higher RAC pushing ahead of you, or fewer users with a small RAC.
2229) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (90) Server Problems? (Message 1583599)
Posted 8 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I had a machine I was holding off reporting the completed AP tasks & decided to do it today. All of the AP with the creation date prior to the 26th validated nearly instantly. So the validator seems to be working just fine. So it looks like the process that is meant to flag WUs to be validated is more the issue. Rather than the validator itself.
Come October 21st or 22nd they may start getting run thought the validator! Once their original report deadlines expire.

I assume you checked at least some of those to make sure your wingperson also reported them and it's really the validator that's the problem. If so, then you may have a point about the date being at the root of it.

Out of the ones I reported 76 were validated pretty much instantly. I think I refreshed the page twice after reporting. Then I looked at any pending with sent date of the 26th or later. Most of them with a sent date of after the 26th have a 2nd result & should have been flagged to be validated, but for whatever reason were not.
I was just confirming the date issue that was mentioned previously still is occurring after maintenance. I am going to dig thought the posts of this time last year and see if anything was mentioned then. As it looks like the same issue was occurring then as well.
2230) Message boards : Number crunching : AP V7 (Message 1583452)
Posted 8 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Do NOT process AP v7 work with AP v6 applications.

If you want to get in on AP v7 immediately, revert to stock. A Lunatics installer with AP v7 applications will be available fairly soon, though. Some time is needed to be sure about the project settings, and to be reasonably sure no typos and such creep into a new installer.
                                                                   Joe

Also we should NOT use AP v7 apps to process AP v6 work?
2231) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (90) Server Problems? (Message 1583451)
Posted 8 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I had a machine I was holding off reporting the completed AP tasks & decided to do it today. All of the AP with the creation date prior to the 26th validated nearly instantly. So the validator seems to be working just fine. So it looks like the process that is meant to flag WUs to be validated is more the issue. Rather than the validator itself.
Come October 21st or 22nd they may start getting run thought the validator! Once their original report deadlines expire.
2232) Message boards : Number crunching : do you still need a surge protector with a voltage regulator? (Message 1583394)
Posted 8 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
mearle , go and check your fuse bx and look at the circuit breakers to see if they all ready have surge protection built in . You will be able to tell because they usually have a small button above the switch , if you see a button then that circuit is protected from surges and you don't need one on that circuit .

Surge protecting circuit breakers are not common in the US for residential applications. Probably due to their fairly high cost compared to standard breakers.

The breakers with test buttons are usually monitoring for earth (ground) leakage, rather than surges.

Indeed GFCI/AFCI breakers have been mandatory for new installations for some time.
The surge protection breakers have an indicator light. Rather than any kind of test button. When it goes out you have lost your surge protection and must replace the whole breaker. At great cost. Standard breakers are ~$5-$10, GFCI/AFCI breakers ~$30-$40, surge breakers ~$80-$120.
2233) Message boards : Number crunching : do you still need a surge protector with a voltage regulator? (Message 1583389)
Posted 8 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
mearle , go and check your fuse bx and look at the circuit breakers to see if they all ready have surge protection built in . You will be able to tell because they usually have a small button above the switch , if you see a button then that circuit is protected from surges and you don't need one on that circuit .

Surge protecting circuit breakers are not common in the US for residential applications. Probably due to their fairly high cost compared to standard breakers.
2234) Message boards : Number crunching : experiment #99 (Message 1583253)
Posted 8 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
One common rule with flashing any bios is reset bios before and after you flash. Load default or just remove the battery for 10 minutes and unplug computer.

Just for your information.

I have run into problems where sensors did not work properly without resetting bios.

Michael Miles

And many new BIOS/UEFI have an option to save presets. Mine give me up to 10 presets to save. So you can default the BIOS/UEFI and then load up your configured values again.
2235) Message boards : Number crunching : Linux: any chance to let CPU in lowest power state? (Message 1583234)
Posted 8 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Perhaps using cpufreq-selector will provide the results you would like?
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=45830&postid=725163#725163
2236) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (90) Server Problems? (Message 1583161)
Posted 7 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
WE still don't have any apps yet, but if someone is working this late they might be in the process. I'm not sure if they will show up tomorrow. I think there is an issue with the MAC GPU app still, but I'm not sure if that is an app issue or a hardware config issue.

There be apps now, lots of them, but without a functioning AP validator, there wouldn't seem to be much point in rolling v7 out quite yet.


It is released just now.

Interesting. It looks like some "tapes" have been reloaded, and the tapes that were already loaded and just waiting for the MB splitters to get to them are no longer marked "done" for AP. I hope that doesn't mean they're going to be re-splitting APs from the tapes that we just finished processing and rerunning them under v7. We should be going forward.

I think all of the '08 and '09 tapes were done once before. No reason not to do them a 3rd time.
2237) Message boards : Number crunching : do you still need a surge protector with a voltage regulator? (Message 1583102)
Posted 7 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
But guys, I keep trying to ask do you plug in the voltage regulator into the surge protector or into the wall outlet. I know it's a simple question but I want to be sure I do it right.

Does the voltage regulator have build in surge suppression? If it does not then I would have my surge suppression before the voltage regulator.
2238) Message boards : Number crunching : Seti not maxing out my GPU? (Message 1583074)
Posted 7 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I thought we weren't allowed to use apps on beta?

Only when directed to do so by developer. Like when running debug/test version to fix problem.
2239) Message boards : Number crunching : Seti not maxing out my GPU? (Message 1583070)
Posted 7 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Ok Hal looked at your link ok it came in with version 7.0.40 wow i'm behind the know then and there i was thinking you needed Lunatics .

ow well dispite what Hal 9000 says Lunatics is faster than stock

Yeah the BOINC devs are always slipping in new things now and then. There are a few new cc_config options I am looking forward to in some newer versions as well.

Many of the current apps are actually Lunatics apps. Just slightly older versions. It is normally best to have the most recent versions. As they have more bug fixes and workarounds in them.


Not to forget some newer version are also faster than older ones.
For example r_2489 is approx 7% faster on my 7970 than r_2170.

You can always get the latest stable app on my website.

I have wondered. When you add an app to your site is it considered good for Main & not just for Beta site test?
2240) Message boards : Number crunching : definition: radiator (Message 1583067)
Posted 7 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thanks Richard,
I am trying to find a psu that will fit in my new case. In the 1000 watt psu ad they don't give dimensions. And in the case which is in the mail, I don't know the dimentions either. Maybe it's just some kind of standard which they all use now.

If you go to the PSU manufactures site they should provide better information than a retail site. Also the case manufacture should give any dimension limits for a PSU. Generally the higher power the PSU the longer/deeper it will tend to be. I think 650 or 750w might be the limit of a "standard length" PSU.
2241) Message boards : Number crunching : Seti not maxing out my GPU? (Message 1583047)
Posted 7 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Ok Hal looked at your link ok it came in with version 7.0.40 wow i'm behind the know then and there i was thinking you needed Lunatics .

ow well dispite what Hal 9000 says Lunatics is faster than stock

Yeah the BOINC devs are always slipping in new things now and then. There are a few new cc_config options I am looking forward to in some newer versions as well.

Many of the current apps are actually Lunatics apps. Just slightly older versions. It is normally best to have the most recent versions. As they have more bug fixes and workarounds in them.
2242) Message boards : Number crunching : do you still need a surge protector with a voltage regulator? (Message 1583043)
Posted 7 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
If you go with just surge suppressor or a UPS remember to protect your devices from all points of entry for a surge. While the coax line from cable internet is less prone to get surges, from lightning strikes and such, it is still a good idea to connect them to your surge suppression. Especially if your cable modem/router is directly connected to your PC. If you are using wireless to connect to your internet then your PC is pretty safe from that standpoint.
Also don't forget about the monitor. The number of times I have seen people connect their PC and equipment to a UPS and then plug the monitor into the wall just makes me shake my head.
2243) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (90) Server Problems? (Message 1583032)
Posted 7 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
This delay makes no difference to me at all especially now that you have brought it to light. Thanks

We are analyzing data recorded a few years ago from stars that are many light years away. There isn't really anything time sensitive about the project.
Having one part of it delayed a few days or weeks in the grand scheme of things doesn't matter.
Discussing and speculating on what may be wrong is just something to do to pass the time.
2244) Message boards : Number crunching : Seti not maxing out my GPU? (Message 1583025)
Posted 7 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Despite what Glenn says you have the option to change how many tasks run on your GPU for any project using an app_config.xml. Which will work for stock applications or for 3rd part ones such as lunatics. It is also the place where you can specify CPU cores/threads to reserve for an application.
2245) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (90) Server Problems? (Message 1582893)
Posted 7 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hmmm....I see that my "SETI@home preferences" page now includes an option for AstroPulse v7, which defaults to "no" (at least mine did). I would've thought they'd set it up to default to whatever a user's Astropulse v6 choice was set to. Oh well, I just changed my to "yes", so it'll be ready whenever v7 rolls out.

The WU details pages also now include an AstroPulse v7 count and link. Must be getting close! Now, if they could just get those pesky AstroPulse v6 WUs validated. ;^)

WE still don't have any apps yet, but if someone is working this late they might be in the process. I'm not sure if they will show up tomorrow. I think there is an issue with the MAC GPU app still, but I'm not sure if that is an app issue or a hardware config issue.
2246) Message boards : Number crunching : Mismatch in time elapsed values? (Message 1582885)
Posted 7 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hal have you done the same thing running just AP's and not MB ?
Did you get the same results ?
When i did it the times blow out so much and hung the machine when ever i try'd to do some thing it just was not worth it

I tested app configurations of:
only MB
only AP
half MB half AP
I tested system configurations of:
HT On, running on all threads
HT On, running on half the threads
HT Off, running on all cores
HT Off, running on half the cores
The only system I have found that didn't give maximum results running all threads with HT was is my dual socket 24 core server. Which I limit to running only 20 AP at a time. 24 seems to be to many for the amount of memory bandwidth the system has. In which I tried NUMA enabled & NUMA disabled.
2247) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (90) Server Problems? (Message 1582876)
Posted 7 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The Results waiting for db purging has stopped at 2,849. I wonder if that is the total stuck in limbo.

I could be wrong but I am thinking the reason why the DB purging has stopped at 2849 is because no work has been validated for some time this meaning there is no results to delete. However this does not explain why the results sitting there have not been deleted. The only explanation I can come up with is that the command has not been triggered. This is just my thoughts

I was thinking it stopped for the same reason. As I mentioned before I wonder if the remaining 2849 could be those stuck in limbo like this one.
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/workunit.php?wuid=1398656868
Which require them to manually run a clean up script to push the stuck ones through the system.
2248) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (90) Server Problems? (Message 1582845)
Posted 7 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The Results waiting for db purging has stopped at 2,849. I wonder if that is the total stuck in limbo.
2249) Message boards : Number crunching : cruncher not asking for work (Message 1582843)
Posted 7 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
My MB/GPU-only box hasn't asked for new work since Saturday morning. I checked its disk usage and it's not anywhere near its limits. It also doesn't have any Einsteins on board at the moment (and hasn't in about two weeks).

So, are the MBs being split in the last few days giving really long runtime estimates, or should I start worrying about my machine?

Last time I had that happen to a host I had to do a Project Reset before it would start requesting work again. Sometimes BOINC can get a little out of whack on priorities.
2250) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (90) Server Problems? (Message 1582760)
Posted 6 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
There's a second ap validater 4 running on synergy.
So something changed!
Someone duplicated it to get it working again?
Doesn't work though.

I'm with HAL9000 ; it will happen tomorrow when there is the weekly maintenance

It also lists 5 instances of ap assimilator 4. I don't think any of them are doing anything. It has been that way for at least a few hours. Could it be the result of trying to fix things, but not quite working?
2251) Message boards : Number crunching : Mismatch in time elapsed values? (Message 1582731)
Posted 6 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
...
I'm think to have that you must have Hypo Threading turned on . If you wish to speed things up Go into your BIOS and turn it off . That's not good running Seti . Or having it on with just a P4 .
...

OTOH, many users have reported a 25% or so productivity increase when using Intel Hyperthreading. That is, individual tasks take less than twice as long when running two per physical core.

It probably depends on various factors related to cache size, cache speed, main memory speed, etc. and the sensible way to determine whether to have it on or not is to actually see which way works best on the system. IOW, try each for long enough to see how many tasks get done per day.
                                                                   Joe

Well, I've been running two identical machines 7371751 and 7371070 for more than a month now. Admittedly the one using hyperthreading has been crunching for one day longer than the other, but it has a 14-15% advantage over the non-HT machine in both total credit and RAC. Unfortunately the non-HT machine will have to be shut off tomorrow while an engineer investigates a small anomaly in its RAID controller, so it will slip behind a bit more. When we start using the HT machine in earnest, I'll have to turn off HT as we will then want the fastest individual processes, not the highest throughput.

For each processor I have tested HT or no HT from the P4 Northwood up to i7 Lynnfield I have seen gains with HT on. Most of my testing has been for machines that are CPU only. Some users with several GPUs in one system have reported gains with HT off.
Also in my testing I found leaving HT enabled & running half the threads produced slightly higher output than HT disabled.
2252) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (90) Server Problems? (Message 1582728)
Posted 6 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
'They' must be holding back for v7 and don't want to be public about it.

Kafka 'The Trial'

They could be but I don't recall this kind of procedure going from MB v6 -> v7 or from AP v5 -> v6.
Out of the 6 Valid AP I have 5 are ones that are stuck in limbo. The 6th one should be cleared out soon. Are we going to see the AP cleanup script run tomorrow with maintenance by chance? Only time will tell.
2253) Message boards : Number crunching : I need a ups especially for when I have to flash the bios (Message 1582663)
Posted 6 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Well maybe for $50 the regulator might be a good idea especially on the new machine. I didn't know the UPS kicked in for anything but an actual outage.

Many UPSs can make up for over and under voltages without switching to the battery. They will have various input or output taps on their internal transformers. Then switch to account for the change. During the summer the voltage in the building at my work will often drop below 108 VAC during the day. So the UPSs are running in boost mode without using the battery most of the time.

For my UPSs at home I replace the batteries only if the UPS is < 10 years old. Otherwise I replace the whole unit. Given they are normally $100-$150 I figure $15 a year to protect my equipment isn't to bad. Given the cost of the computer equipment.
2254) Message boards : Number crunching : Xeon question (Message 1582514)
Posted 6 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thanks.

I thought I will get 1K tasks, but since the limit is 900…

Tim

Yeah, unfortunately multi socket CPU systems are not detected at this time.
2255) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (90) Server Problems? (Message 1582322)
Posted 5 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
So again, my basic observation of only tasks sent before the 27th was correct, I just didn't take the investigation that step further to it being work created before the 27th.

Indeed, it does seem so. Ockham's razor in action!
2256) Message boards : Number crunching : I need a ups especially for when I have to flash the bios (Message 1582319)
Posted 5 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hal, thanks
Yes, now I remember reading about those dual bios things. I'll check my MB documentation on Thurs. when I get it. Then decide on the UPS.

I didn't know that power outages degraded your electronics.

I also thought maybe I should have a cheaper one just for the router so I don't have to be lugging my other rig into another room. Pretty soon I'll have to holdup another bank. :-)

The ASRock Z87 Extreme4 you mentioned that you ordered does have a dual bios.

Power outages can slowly degrade your electronics a bit like not putting water treatment on a wooden fence or deck.

Besides moving a computer near your modem/router setup you might be able to relocate the modem/router. It is always up to whatever the easiest option for you happens to be. I got lucky when I bought my place. As it already had a cable outlet near where I wanted to put my primary computer.
2257) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (90) Server Problems? (Message 1582313)
Posted 5 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I hadn't realized last night at 2AM the links you provided had an offset. So with all of the tasks from the other machine having a partner date of the ~26 it made sense. At the time all of your valid tasks seemed to have older matches as well. Now seeing the top of the lists that ideas doesn't really fit. At least not without looking at the status of all of their pending to see which ones may or may not have a 2nd result.
I still do not see any evidence that CPU and GPU results are being treated any different for validation. They are all backed up and waiting.

Yes, what matters is the WU creation date. Right now what ever is still doing validations is stuck back on the 26th, and it doesn't appear to be making much progress. The question is, why hasn't anyone fixed it yet.

The creation date and order they were entered into the database makes a lot more sense than my drunken 2AM logic. After looking through my pending & valid I don't see any that were created 26th 10:00 UTC or later that are valid. I guess that gives us an idea of where in the DB the validator is at currently.

They did kick things once the other day & given that it is still technically working it shouldn't be setting of any alarms on their end. Don't they get at least one unpaid weekend off every now and then?
2258) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (90) Server Problems? (Message 1582296)
Posted 5 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
So, have you had any trouble getting your CPU AP tasks to validate? I'll bet most of your Pendings are GPU APs...aren't they. I'm starting to have a bad feeling about this, and I keep seeing that stupid #340...

BTW, Why do you suppose this guy isn't having any trouble getting his GPU APs to validate?
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/results.php?hostid=7374749&offset=20&show_names=0&state=4&appid=12
Seems to be quite a few GPU APs whizzing through there while others can't get ONE GPU AP to validate, http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/results.php?hostid=6796479&offset=140&show_names=0&state=0&appid=
Strange, isn't it.

I don't see anything wrong on those machines. The special logic that says to only validate 1 out of every 3 tasks that come from user TBar seems to be working fine. :P
It looks like WUs are being validated in order by when the first result was received, or maybe by the deadline of the _0 task. So if you see tasks you returned on October 4th being validated before tasks that you returned on the 1st I would check the date of the other returned tasks for that WU.
As the number returned per hour drops the growth rate of AP "Workunits waiting for validation" is slowing. Once it flattens out we will know the processing rate of the validator.

Ok. So you're saying the validator works on the Oldest WU available. It will Ignore all WUs except the Oldest one no matter which hardware it's on. Except, these results show Validations from CPU tasks sent on the 3rd, http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/results.php?hostid=7374749&offset=0&show_names=0&state=4&appid=
I have a whole bunch Older than that, http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/results.php?hostid=6796479&offset=280&show_names=0&state=2&appid=0
Strange, isn't it.

I hadn't realized last night at 2AM the links you provided had an offset. So with all of the tasks from the other machine having a partner date of the ~26 it made sense. At the time all of your valid tasks seemed to have older matches as well. Now seeing the top of the lists that ideas doesn't really fit. At least not without looking at the status of all of their pending to see which ones may or may not have a 2nd result.
I still do not see any evidence that CPU and GPU results are being treated any different for validation. They are all backed up and waiting.
2259) Message boards : Number crunching : I need a ups especially for when I have to flash the bios (Message 1582291)
Posted 5 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
A dual bios or a recovery option has been pretty standard for MBs for quite a while. So the power going out isn't as big of a deal as it once was.
With how often you say the power goes out a UPS can help extend the life of your electronics for sure. I normally try to aim for about 50% load for the UPS I use at home. Because in the $100-200 home UPS segment you normally only get a few minutes at full load and usually 10-15 min at half load without buying an extended rum tine model and extra batteries. I use several small UPSs instead of one larger one. The smallest is a 1000VA in the living room for all of my home theater stuff and my HTPC. Because I don't want the power going out to interrupt a movie I'm watching.
When shopping for a UPS, besides the VA and Watt rating, look at the Full Load and Half Load run times. Also be sure to shop around. I often end up buying my UPSs locally because shipping on a UPS is more than paying a few dollars more at a local store.
2260) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (90) Server Problems? (Message 1582136)
Posted 5 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Tbar there seems to be 100,000 units still out there so maybe a lot of people are fed up and just suspened seti and switch over to another project which is what i did , still got a heaps of units but bugger doing them till it's fixed . some time today i'll switch the intel over too even if it's not finished all the units it's got

100,000 being returned at >600 units/hr would mean all AP tasks would be returned within 7 days. And yet there is a 25 day deadline, so tasks are being returned faster than needed to fulfill the projects expectations.

Not an indication that people are abandoning the project.

100k In Progress this soon after running out of Astropulse work is pretty much on par with our normal mode of operation as well. Also it looks like we hardly ever drop below 50-60k In Progress as it is.


Across all of my machines I still have about 1300 AP still to do. For all we know they are in the process of trying to get all of the AP v6 work completed done before loading up AP v7.

So, have you had any trouble getting your CPU AP tasks to validate? I'll bet most of your Pendings are GPU APs...aren't they. I'm starting to have a bad feeling about this, and I keep seeing that stupid #340...

BTW, Why do you suppose this guy isn't having any trouble getting his GPU APs to validate?
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/results.php?hostid=7374749&offset=20&show_names=0&state=4&appid=12
Seems to be quite a few GPU APs whizzing through there while others can't get ONE GPU AP to validate, http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/results.php?hostid=6796479&offset=140&show_names=0&state=0&appid=
Strange, isn't it.

I don't see anything wrong on those machines. The special logic that says to only validate 1 out of every 3 tasks that come from user TBar seems to be working fine. :P
It looks like WUs are being validated in order by when the first result was received, or maybe by the deadline of the _0 task. So if you see tasks you returned on October 4th being validated before tasks that you returned on the 1st I would check the date of the other returned tasks for that WU.
As the number returned per hour drops the growth rate of AP "Workunits waiting for validation" is slowing. Once it flattens out we will know the processing rate of the validator.
2261) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (90) Server Problems? (Message 1582107)
Posted 5 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Tbar there seems to be 100,000 units still out there so maybe a lot of people are fed up and just suspened seti and switch over to another project which is what i did , still got a heaps of units but bugger doing them till it's fixed . some time today i'll switch the intel over too even if it's not finished all the units it's got

100,000 being returned at >600 units/hr would mean all AP tasks would be returned within 7 days. And yet there is a 25 day deadline, so tasks are being returned faster than needed to fulfill the projects expectations.

Not an indication that people are abandoning the project.

100k In Progress this soon after running out of Astropulse work is pretty much on par with our normal mode of operation as well. Also it looks like we hardly ever drop below 50-60k In Progress as it is.


Across all of my machines I still have about 1300 AP still to do. For all we know they are in the process of trying to get all of the AP v6 work completed done before loading up AP v7.
2262) Message boards : Number crunching : Server for SETI@Home (Message 1582052)
Posted 4 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hey folks, sorry about posting a late reply to the thread I started. I posted it real early this morning when I was Browsing online and what I meant was a System to Crunch on. Something I could buy and use hear at home.

I was looking on Amazon and seeing a Xeon Server for that price I wasn't sure and hence and no experience with servers or their Capability overall.


I'm really taking an interest in SETI and thus have dedicated all my resources at home to the crunching of the SETI Project WU's I'm downloading and processing.

I was involved in Folding@Home for a good few years and have been looking for other DC Projects to take part in, I should of mentioned this all before and hence sorry for the late introduction..

I'm completely new to the Forums except a few Posts I've made asking Questions and still getting used to this layout. I don't even know how to use the Quotation tags. :LOL .. ..

So as for a System that would be able to Crunch the WU's on I was looking at a Rack Mount System for convenience hear at home in regards to space but looking for the power, I'm not a member of any team and just found the BOINC Stats page the other Day.

When it comes to Folding can I ask is the Credit Important in SETI. If you have Teams, their must be competition and if so, a bit like F@H its kinda like Flexing those GPUs or CPU's for the E-Penis and the most powerful system. Just looking mind you at the Teams, and the BOINC Stats page.

Whenever you are writing a post to the left there is a link that says [url=Use BBCode tags to format your text ]Use BBCode tags to format your text[/url] that has the instructions on how tags here work. Also on each message for an active thread there is a Reply & a Quote button.

As far as a cruncher systems goes. If you have a general idea of what you are looking for we can help point you in the best direction. If you are not really sure. Then you would just need to determine some basic things such as budget and power limits. At the moment the best performance per watt for the money would probably be a mid range CPU with a decent GPU or two & would probably run in the neighborhood of 150-300w.
2263) Message boards : Number crunching : check me please (Message 1581965)
Posted 4 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Bear, the one Astropulse task still showing in your list appears to have processed OK. Any invalid results have been purged, so I can't guess the cause. The AP validator problem has nothing to do with the invalid tasks, when it's not running no validation decisions are being made.

Your HD 54xx GPU is using driver: 1.4.815 and that predates any of the drivers shown on HAL9000's ATI Driver Version Cheat Sheet. That may be why the (cal_ati) application was sent, even though the GPU should be able to use OpenCL applications. Someone else with a Cedar GPU can probably advise you about which drivers would be better on your Windows 7 system. The OpenCL applications use the GPU much more effectively than (cal_ati) where most of the processing is done on your Phenom rather than the GPU.
                                                                   Joe

There is a link on the page for the full version list going back to Cat 9.2. Which I think is the oldest supported driver by any of the apps. The OP is on Cat 10.9 it looks like & the HD 5450 is listed as supporting OpenCL 1.2. So I would imagine Cat 14.9 would be OK for it.
2264) Message boards : Number crunching : Server for SETI@Home (Message 1581960)
Posted 4 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
If you really just want a rack mounted machine there are companies that specialize in building systems from old off lease hardware. Such as http://www.savemyserver.com/. Where you can spec out your own system and get a warranty with it.

Based on the performance of my server with dual Xeon E5645s. I would expect the performance of a Xeon E5410 to be, at best, on par with my low power system using a Celeron J1900 or my old first generation Core i3-390M notebook.

Power consumption on '07 era hardware will also be pretty high for its given performance.
2265) Message boards : Number crunching : The ultimate build (Message 1581951)
Posted 4 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Maybe I ought to start thinking NVidia from now on. I have just started a new build with case and intel MB.

Back in the day when I was a very young man and not very wise, I built an AMD machine with an ATI GPU in one of the first systems that I built, and it lasted exactly 25 days. Luckily the CPU/board/GPU were still under store warranty and I was able to swap everything out for Intel and NVidia components and haven't looked back since. AMD processors may be cheaper than Intel, but in my opinion they're not as efficient, and their GPUs have too many problems handling different applications. Intel processors with their associated boards and NVidia cards may cost more, but I'd rather spend the extra cash then put up with the problems that a lot of people have with AMD/ATI type components, especially when it comes to SETI. The main problem that I have with AMD/ATI GPUs are the drivers, they could never get it right, whereas I can install a NVidia driver and go through several family types and never have to worry about them not working and crunching SETI. I can count maybe three times that I've had a problem with NVidia drivers and it's usually something stupid that I've did. I can count twice that a driver screwed with SETI and one of them I was the first to report it. I have no problem running SETI with a beta driver version, but I bet you can't say that about AMD/ATI drivers.

Given how new GPGPU computing is there will be issues as it gets rolling. Since it hasn't had 40-50 years to get to the refined point of CPU computing. I think most of the long time NV GPU users will tell you there have been several "don't use X.nn driver" or "don't use X.nn driver on Y card" issues. You could ask the GPU app devs about drivers issues.
This is also why when a new driver set come out you tend to see a post "New NN/ATI driver vN.xx released." Where people post issues or non issues.

When selecting a GPU for SETI@home it is more of an issue of which do you want focus on, MB or AP. As currently NV hardware is better for MB & ATI hardware is better for AP. Which is why I included one of each in the system I spec'd out in this thread.
2266) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (90) Server Problems? (Message 1581931)
Posted 4 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Mike is correct

ap validate 4 - synergy - Not Running

I'm confused, as usual you are probably going to say.

But I've had some validate today, which according to the posts here for the last couple of days seems odd.

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/workunit.php?wuid=1599941048
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/workunit.php?wuid=1599965960
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/workunit.php?wuid=1599970183


I've had a few AP's validate today also. The validator seems to go online from time to time, and manages to validate a few AP's. Then it goes back to sleep again....

Yes, it is operating in trickle mode as I have been saying, but I think some people don't keep up on the thread with the issues.
2267) Message boards : Number crunching : How big is your rack? (Message 1581703)
Posted 4 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
LOL x3


what is that sticking on the end of that thing an oxygen mask?

LMAO...
Wish it was. After I looked up the price tag. SHOCK! Found two with a $700 - $500 discount. Both are $999.99. Ouch.

For anyone that doesn't know the R9 295X2 is a factor water cooled card. With a sticker price of $1500 paying only $999 is a third off.
2268) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (90) Server Problems? (Message 1581702)
Posted 4 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
While my previous Front Page Mac is now in Full Free Fall;
AP Validation pending (491) · Valid (30)

All AstroPulse v6 tasks for computer 7042852
State: All (277) · In progress (90) · Validation pending (179) · Validation inconclusive (2) · Valid (6) · Invalid (0) · Error (0)

It looks like it is still moving, just on a very slow IV drip. Within the first 20 on my account list of valid AP tasks I have 5 completed on 4 Oct 2014, 0:00 to 3:00 UTC. The rest are 3 Oct 2014, in the 22:00 hour range
2269) Message boards : Number crunching : CLOSED** SETI/BOINC Milestones [ v2.0 ] - XXVIII **CLOSED (Message 1581701)
Posted 4 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Please don´t take me wrong but this i need to share with my friends here...

I´m ready to pass the 300MM mark tonight... sure that´s call for a celebration beer & c-word!

I need to confess something, never imagine i could see i´m passing this mark.

Thanks all who help me to do that.

Congrats & I am sure your power company is proud of you too.
2270) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (90) Server Problems? (Message 1581625)
Posted 3 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The AP validator is not among the living

It is still alive. It is just lurching along very very slowly.
2271) Message boards : Number crunching : BOINC Manager not choosing tasks chronologically. (Message 1581577)
Posted 3 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I'm taking it that there is no actual user setting to prioritize earlier tasks.

There is one that you can use to force BOINC run tasks in 'High Priority':
Switch between tasks every XXXX minutes
 

That no longer works in BOINC v7.x

Wow, they 'fixed' a feature ... ;)

Any other setting/config/hack that may make BOINC v7 panic?

(I know what may work:
Maintain enough tasks to keep busy for at least 10 days
- but OP may not want the max of 100 CPU + 100 GPU tasks always on-board)

Not suggestion - just for fun:

What will happen if I run BOINC under RunAsDate with date in the future?
http://www.nirsoft.net/utils/run_as_date.html

(I used RunAsDate for 2 programs successfully to fool them the date is older (in the past))

Yeah, sometimes it is annoying when a bug can be used as feature is fixed.

AS you mentioned. With BOINC v7.x you can force High Priority mode by entering a larger value for "Maintain enough tasks to keep busy for at least" also called "connect about every" in BOINC v6.x. Setting either "No New Tasks" or specifying a drive space limit for BOINC could be used to limit the actual amount of work downloaded.
2272) Message boards : Number crunching : experiment #99 (Message 1581513)
Posted 3 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Screens were flashing. The whole graphic system just went crazy. I have never flashed the dell bios. I have flashed the bios on my asrock and it went smoothly. That is the machine that is running the three gpu's. It has a unroll of 18.

I don't care if the 6570 is a little inefficient there as long as it gets it's work done. From the graph I get from MSI Afterburner it is running fine at around 75% of capacity on it's current wu. That's better than just sitting in it's box gathering dust. I'm not big on selling stuff on ebay. I'll just have to wait and see how well it does or doesn't perform.

The dell is my everyday computer. I do a lot of other stuff on it. When I read up on flashing the bios, there were so many warnings I didn't want to screw it up so I left it alone. The 4670 is working fine on it. Do you think that flashing the bios would have something to do with the 6570 working there? When the 4670 croaks, I'll put the other 6570 in there if flashing the bios would help. What do you think? I hate to have to piss around with dell again. I keep running into trouble with them. Not that their a bad company. I'm just jinxed with them.

Upgrading the BIOS on your Dell should be pretty easy. Normally they have an option for a Windows exe. You run it & then reboot when it tells you to do so.
2273) Message boards : Number crunching : BOINC Manager not choosing tasks chronologically. (Message 1581511)
Posted 3 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I'm taking it that there is no actual user setting to prioritize earlier tasks.

There is one that you can use to force BOINC run tasks in 'High Priority':
Switch between tasks every XXXX minutes

E.g. set it to 7200 minutes and BOINC will try to finish any task 5 days before deadline
Computing preferences

If you use Local preferences - set the value there.

You may play with even higher values like 21000 but that will make BOINC crazy ;)
(I use now 11000)
 

That no longer works in BOINC v7.x
2274) Message boards : Number crunching : BOINC Manager not choosing tasks chronologically. (Message 1581510)
Posted 3 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Good advice Glenn... I'll try your suggestions. Thanks.

Using the Processor Usage tab in Preferences for BOINC Manager you can specify specific days and time for BOINC to run.
Given there are 168 hours in a week & you are telling BOINC to run 30% of the time. That comes to about 50 hours for the week, or about 7 hours a day.
You could use the "Every day between the hours of" setting and set 09:00-16:00 to run during the day when you may not be home or set while you are asleep. You can also get more specific & set different times for each day. You just check the box for each day under Day-of-week override & enter the times.
For times you don't want BOINC to run there are 2 different want specify that. One would be to enter 00:00-00:01 for each day you don't want it to run. The second option is to set 00:00-00:01 in the "Every day between the hours of" section. Then that is the default time BOINC will follow unless there is an override setting.
2275) Message boards : Number crunching : BOINC Manager not choosing tasks chronologically. (Message 1581475)
Posted 3 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I remember setting my buffer to 3 days as there were a lot of server outages back then and I was constantly running out of work. I'll look into that buffer setting...

Due to high power costs here in Korea I set my preferences to 30% CPU and only when computer is not of use. My power bills were approx 150 USD per month which might have been largely down to BOINC.

The computer is usually on 24/7..........

I disabled GPU computing. Too power hungry. I turn it on now and then to try and clear tasks coming up to deadline, but still BOINC runs later deadlines before earlier.

I'm not sure how having the buffer set to 3 days would make BOINC run later deadlines tasks first. Shouldn't it always prioritize earlier deadlines first?

The default deadline for SETI@HOME v7 tasks is about 6 weeks. However shorties, or HVAR(Very High Angle Range) tasks, are given a smaller deadline. As they take less time to process.
So if your machine is running a task due in 3 week and then downloads one due in 2 week or may not worry about it because it thinks it has lots of time to finish the current job and that one before the deadline. BOINC should learn, over time, that your machine doesn't run work 24/7. Once it does it should then run the tasks with a nearer deadline sooner. Where you will see "Running High Priority" in the status for the task.

Not starting a task and missing the deadline isn't a huge deal & the system is designed to account for when that happens.
2276) Message boards : Number crunching : How big is your rack? (Message 1581336)
Posted 3 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I don't know the answer. Would it really be less trouble? How so? Just for Seti or for boinc in general?

You could get something like a Radeon R9 295X2. It is 2 GPUs one a single card.

That's one manly GPU and green it's not.

Coming in at 22.9 GFLOPS/Watt it would actually be the most energy efficient Radeon to date.
2277) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (90) Server Problems? (Message 1581263)
Posted 2 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Aren't they not yet fixed. ?!


Nope. Still got
1 · 2 · 3 · 4 . . . 442 · Next Notice: Undefined variable: stickysql in /disks/carolyn/b/home/boincadm/projects/sah/html/inc/forum.inc on line 996
at the top of the Number crunching forum page.


One last obscure & entirely cosmetic little bug. Apologies if it's been mentioned.

There are times when I hover my mouse over the HOME/PARTICIPATE/ABOUT links bar (both on top AND on the bottom) where each "box" will get a pixel or two wider at the bottom. Unfortunately it doesn't happen often and though I've tried to recreate it I haven't figured out how.

Happened again. Here's what I mean:

Unable to figure out what triggers it though :(

It looks like an error reading the css. Where the underline command seems to have gone wonky.
Does the same thing happens to users name, message numbers, or any other text when you mouse over, or do they get underlined?
2278) Message boards : Number crunching : How big is your rack? (Message 1581254)
Posted 2 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I don't know the answer. Would it really be less trouble? How so? Just for Seti or for boinc in general?

You could get something like a Radeon R9 295X2. It is 2 GPUs one a single card.
2279) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (90) Server Problems? (Message 1581249)
Posted 2 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
They fixed the validator.

See:)

Sorry, Julie, but from where I sit it failed again after about 30 minutes. Waiting for validation rising again.

It looks like it hasn't completely gone OTL. Over the past hour my AP valid have gone from 130 to 147. That trickle could stop at any time I expect.
2280) Message boards : Number crunching : How big is your rack? (Message 1581208)
Posted 2 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hal,
Quite an analogy there. LOL.....

"Anything worth doing is worth overdoing."
2281) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (90) Server Problems? (Message 1581206)
Posted 2 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
They fixed the validator.

Tomorrow shall be a heck of a stat day.

Dunno...seems to be back to the way it was when it first became ill. One machine is getting validations while the other two aren't. The AP Workunits waiting for validation is back above 42k. Seems it worked for a spurt then flopped over again. My one machine still has AP Validation pending (374) · Valid (40)

Aye, it looks like I had ~100 get validated before it petered out again. :/

Perhaps someone is in house or is in via remote poking at things.
2282) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (90) Server Problems? (Message 1581184)
Posted 2 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
They fixed the validator.

Tomorrow shall be a heck of a stat day.
2283) Message boards : Number crunching : How big is your rack? (Message 1581183)
Posted 2 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hal,
Are you saying that amd is a better option if you want to build a multiple gpu cruncher or are you saying something else?

I was saying AMD CPUs are an option. Just as setting yourself on fire is an option when cooking. Personally I wouldn't suggest either one. :P

I'm not really up to date on all of their products, but the Tom's Hardware CPU hierarchy chart has their top end products on parallel with Core 2 Quad & first generation Core i CPUs from Intel.
2284) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (90) Server Problems? (Message 1581165)
Posted 2 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Got a lot of computing errors on the AP's, RAC's on the low side too...

Those errors are associated with the new AP App in Lunatics 0.42 and the Older cards. Did you just update your App? You can cure it by going back to the Older AP App in Lunatics 0.42a.
It won't help your RAC though...



Umm, what constitutes "Older"? GT8800? GTX6XX? I still have GT9800s, a GTX214(PCI) and GTX250s...

If your GPU is having issues with the r2399 GPU app then you would want to revert back to the older app. Which is in the v0.42a package. Details can be found in the Lunatics Windows Installer v0.42 Release Notes thread.
2285) Message boards : Number crunching : How big is your rack? (Message 1581072)
Posted 2 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
yeah, I've always been with intel. I don't know the first thing about amd cpu's. Wouldn't even feel comfortable with them.

Hope your computer gets well soon.

Apparently if you want to build a multi GPU cruncher that doesn't rely heavily on the CPU then an AMD CPU can be an option. I'm often curious how certain products of theirs would run some things, but never enough to actually spend money on them.
2286) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (90) Server Problems? (Message 1581063)
Posted 2 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Validators servers are back up and working but 293,358 now aproxx 2,000 more than 1:20 hrs ago so all not well in SETIland still no wonder i only got 7,000 so far should be 20,000 oh well time for bed then

The apparent only AP validator ap validate 4 has said running since yesterday, but the column on the left displaying the status is known to lie.

The Astropulse "awaiting validation" graphs still show a nearly-constant rate of increase, with no sign of anything reducing the pool.

Yeah the Astropulse Results & Astropulse Workunits graphs show the rise fairly clearly. The Astropulse Workunits graph is even showing workunits awaiting validation on the yearly graph now. Which is a rarity.

It looks like the last AP that sputtered through the validator for me is stamped "1 Oct 2014, 18:23:34 UTC". I think sometime after that the validator rolled over and went back to sleep.
2287) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (90) Server Problems? (Message 1580957)
Posted 2 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Validators servers are back up and working but 293,358 now aproxx 2,000 more than 1:20 hrs ago so all not well in SETIland still no wonder i only got 7,000 so far should be 20,000 oh well time for bed then

The apparent only AP validator ap validate 4 has said running since yesterday, but the column on the left displaying the status is known to lie.
2288) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (90) Server Problems? (Message 1580929)
Posted 2 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Well, it's been about a day since the validations stopped. The AP Workunits waiting for validation is now up to 29,130.
My "Validation pending" is up to 317 APs. 200+ APs is a lot of points. This is what it looks like when the validations stop for a day;
[img ]http://stats.free-dc.org/charts/hostdaily.php?proj=sah&hostid=6796479[/img]
The bad part is, I made 2nd place with that daily total, http://stats.free-dc.org/stats.php?page=team&proj=sah&team=145273
not good...

The stats were also generated several hours earlier than normal today. So that would just compound the issue of a really low stat day.

Once the validator starts working correctly again there will be an equally large stat day and throw the averages off again for a while. I kind of hope it takes a little while to get going again. I have an old top stat day of 840,794 from 2010 I an hoping to beat.



I looked at the server status page, AP's awaiting validation is currently 291,250. Then I checked my account totals - valid 77, validation pending 1043. You are too right, there will be quite the bump when the validators catch up.

I was mostly looking at the value for Workunits waiting for validation. Normally this is a fairly low number < 100, but we are at ~45,000 & probably still rising. MB on the other hand is ~50.
I didn't pay much attention to Results returned and awaiting validation. As it is normally a pretty high value in the 100-200K range, but looking at the graph it took off at the same time.
2289) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (90) Server Problems? (Message 1580748)
Posted 2 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Well, it's been about a day since the validations stopped. The AP Workunits waiting for validation is now up to 29,130.
My "Validation pending" is up to 317 APs. 200+ APs is a lot of points. This is what it looks like when the validations stop for a day;
[img ]http://stats.free-dc.org/charts/hostdaily.php?proj=sah&hostid=6796479[/img]
The bad part is, I made 2nd place with that daily total, http://stats.free-dc.org/stats.php?page=team&proj=sah&team=145273
not good...

The stats were also generated several hours earlier than normal today. So that would just compound the issue of a really low stat day.

Once the validator starts working correctly again there will be an equally large stat day and throw the averages off again for a while. I kind of hope it takes a little while to get going again. I have an old top stat day of 840,794 from 2010 I an hoping to beat.
2290) Message boards : Number crunching : Your thoughts on the upcoming Haswell E CPUs (Message 1580714)
Posted 1 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
For everyday run-of-the-mill use and applications plus Boinc what is the average size of the SSD that people use? I.e. 250, 500 gig or a 1 TB drive

I use a 120GB in my HTPC and a 240GB in my main gaming machine. I only use the SSDs for the OS & apps. For storage I have a 9TB RAID5 set in my gaming machine & my HTPC has two 2.5" 750GB drives in RAID0.

If the 480/512GB SSD drives are a good deal on Black Friday I might get one. Otherwise I may wait until I can get a SATA Express SSD.
2291) Message boards : Number crunching : Catalyst 14.9 released (Message 1580564)
Posted 1 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Would anyone recommend updating from

13.9 for my ATI 4770 on Win 7 64 bit

12.6 for my ATI 5850 on Win 7 64 bit.

If so what benefits would I get, if any?

13.9 is the most current legacy driver. Legacy cards are HD4000 series & older.

The processing time on my 5750 have gone down about 13% since switching drivers. The might just be luck of the draw in the tasks and not the driver.
2292) Message boards : Number crunching : Win7 ate 9 & spit out 10! (Message 1580467)
Posted 1 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
What I just heard, is that the reason they are using Windows 10, instead of Windows 9, is that older programs that were Windows 95, 98 compatible looked for Windows 9x, and if they saw it, they would install. They had to jump numbers to prevent that from happening.

Steve

That would be a weird installer. Most use the OS version to determine the OS for installation. With Windows 7 being v6.1 & Windows ME being v4.90.
2293) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (90) Server Problems? (Message 1580460)
Posted 1 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I wouldn't be to sure about that HAL as my 2500K has gone way down in AP pendings while my 3570K has way gone up since last night. ;-)

Cheers.

My MB pending to valid is still around 1:1, but my AP have shot up to about 4:1. With the # of valid dropping to about 40% of the normal number.

There are some tasks that are getting validated. So perhaps the validator is bouncing off/on.

And I just had ~100 go valid all at once.
2294) Message boards : Number crunching : Catalyst 14.9 released (Message 1580331)
Posted 1 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Cat 14.9 is out and we are up to OpenCL 1.2 AMD-APP (1573.4). I haven't seen anything weird on my HD5750 yet. Let's hope they didn't introduce any new bugs like in 13.1.
Also I updated my driver version sheet. Should I add a section of links to the legacy driver downloads as well?
2295) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (90) Server Problems? (Message 1580310)
Posted 1 Oct 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Looks like the AP validator has gone OTL. Looking at the haveland stats it looks like it did this last year at the September/October transition as well. That is probably just an odd coincidence, but kind of amusing.
Let's see if the auto server recovery bits kick in and it fixes itself while everyone it out.
2296) Message boards : Number crunching : Win7 ate 9 & spit out 10! (Message 1580254)
Posted 30 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
What sort of overhead does a shell like this cost a system?

None, it's just the "missing" start menu and only needs resources, if it is opened, just like the "original".

If anything I think it makes the systems faster.
There is a small footprint of memory it uses, but that can vary based on how you configure it. I configure it for the Classic style.
2297) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (90) Server Problems? (Message 1580248)
Posted 30 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
All AP channels have been split and 688 MB channels to split. It's gonna be a long time before fresh APs arrive.

Well there are still 3 channels being split t the moment, but they should be done shortly.
Given that there are normally 400-450 MB channels left to do when AP is finished. A few hundred more should not take very long to whittle down. Given that more and more machines will switch over to do MB as their cache of AP run out. Without a maintenance cycle & catchup the MB might get burned through a bit faster than normal too.
2298) Message boards : Number crunching : Win7 ate 9 & spit out 10! (Message 1580240)
Posted 30 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
And if they actually release a desktop OS for desktops I may consider it. Instead of trying to force desktop users to use a tablet OS.

Install ClassicShell on Win 8.1 and you'll simply get a better and faster Win 7!
http://classicshell.net/

Windows 8 really dumbed down a lot of features & removed others that I consider must haves for a desktop OS. So I only use Windows 8 at work when I am absolutely forced to do so & I already use Classic Shell. It doesn't do enough to get the Windows 8 ick off of the OS. Then I promptly ghost back to a real OS once I am done & then consider using the emergency shower station.
I think Windows 8 would probably be OK to use it on a tablet, but the desktop is not where that OS belongs.
2299) Message boards : Number crunching : Win7 ate 9 & spit out 10! (Message 1580163)
Posted 30 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
And if they actually release a desktop OS for desktops I may consider it. Instead of trying to force desktop users to use a tablet OS.
2300) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (90) Server Problems? (Message 1580064)
Posted 30 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
No outage today...Hmmm...is that a good thing or bad?? Maybe that means there wasn't anything for them to fix this week. Yeah, I'll go with that....

Perhaps no one is in the lab today to flip the switches and poke the buttons. Which could be why they loaded up so much more data last week.
They could also be considering switching to a biweekly maintenance schedule I suppose. I think the weekly was originally chosen because that was about what the hardware/software/db could handle.
2301) Message boards : Number crunching : The ultimate build (Message 1579916)
Posted 30 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
A system set up for GPU work only doesn't need the fastest CPU. Not only are AMD CPUs cheaper, but the corresponding AMD motherboards are cheaper as well. Plus saving money on the CPU/motherboard allows one to budget that much more for the GPU.

The CPU can effect how quickly your GPU tasks run. I had a HD5750 in my HTPC with a i5-4750K@3.4GHz. Running only AP 3 CPU + 1 GPU the GPU times were 70-75 minutes. I upgraded the GPU in the HTPC & moved the HD5750 to my older i7-860@3.46GHz. Running only AP 0 CPU + 1 GPU the GPU times are 85-90 minutes.
2302) Message boards : Number crunching : How big is your rack? (Message 1579740)
Posted 30 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Computation_credit#Recent_Average_Credit
2303) Message boards : Number crunching : nVidia GTX 750 question. (Message 1579672)
Posted 29 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have seen 750 Ti cards at stock speed that have a PCIe power connect and OC'd versions that don't. The 750 is 55w at stock speed and the TI is 60w at stock speeds. So either should be fine with no additional power.
I imagine the cards that provide a PCIe connector are to allow more headroom for overclocking purposes.
2304) Message boards : Number crunching : definition: single rail gpu (Message 1579667)
Posted 29 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Well I don't know about you but they can sure throw me off. I know my connectors are 12V something or other for gpu connections. Then we have 12v molex connectors for various things. We also have 100 watt bulbs. But trying to remember from HS physics about the difference in volts, amps and watts throws me after all these years.

I just looked up my psu pamphlet and it doesn't say anything about being a single or multiple rail. I just know I have gobs of cables and 'stuff'. I am still amazed after one year that I was able to put together my own PC without electrocuting me or my dog.

I think for most computer things you would just need to remember these two out of the 12: V*I=W, W/V=I. For the AC side of things normally apparent power is good enough. With no need to calculate true or reactive power. Unless your power company charges you for your power factor, but most computer supplies are built to have a power factor near 1 these days anyway.

Sometimes the paperwork that comes with a PSU is very generic & may not have the ratings chart. There should be a sticker affixed to the PSU itself. Depending on how the PSU gets installed you may not be able to see the rating sticker. You can probably also look up the information on the PSU manufactures website. That is more often the route I go since it is less work than removing the side of the case to see if I can even see the rating sticker.
2305) Message boards : Number crunching : definition: single rail gpu (Message 1579646)
Posted 29 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Ok, now I get it. Juan mentioned it in building a new system post.

A rail! Just like my old choo-choo train that carried electricity thru the rails. :-)

Duh, again!

Thanks folks.

Oh I see what you mean in their post. I think that was probably a typo. Given their the first part of their statement is about a PSU & the second part "be sure to buy a single rail GPU as posted by Wiggo." is probably referring to Wiggo's post just before mentioning a larger 12v rail for the PSU.

Things like that can really throw you off sometimes.
2306) Message boards : Number crunching : The ultimate build (Message 1579643)
Posted 29 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hey guys or girls. Just a thought. How are you going to install drivers and software to your hdd or sdd❓❓❓

I know from personal experience that bits and bytes do not magically transfer from that round bit of shiny plastic. You do need a(n) optical drive of some kind. And a big stumbling block. What operating system are you going to use?

Look at building a new computer from scratch. If it is not on your parts list you do not have it.

Thank you for your dedication on this thread.

I have been building most of my home systems without an optical drive for more than 10 years now. In the old days I would just slave a 2nd HDD with the OS and drivers to get the system up. Then do the rest over the network.
The days of booting from USB devices has made things much easier. I keep an old USB flash drive with Windows PE on it. Boot from it and then install Windows 7 over the network. Sometimes PE will not have a network driver. Then I will have to resort to either using a larger flash drive that can store the OS installation or just use a USB HDD.
If you really want to use an ODD you can get a USB one or spend the $20 to put one in the machine.
2307) Message boards : Number crunching : definition: single rail gpu (Message 1579487)
Posted 29 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thanks Hal,

So when you say it requires a single rail gpu you are saying in essence you need one 12V plug in from the psu rather than 0 or 2. Right?

I'm not sure where you are getting "single rail gpu".
PCIe cards can have various combinations of 6-pin(75 watt) or 8-pin(150 watt) connectors. With the current PCIe specification allowing up to two 8-pin connectors on a card. If that is what you are referring to the connectors wouldn't really be called rails.
2308) Message boards : Number crunching : definition: single rail gpu (Message 1579403)
Posted 29 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
When we state "Single rail" it refers to the PSU not the GPU and is more correctly said as "Single 12v rail PSU".

You can tell by looking at the rating label.
A single rail PSU will read something like: 12V 50A
A multi rail PSU will read something like: 12V1 16A 12V2 16A 12V3 16A
2309) Message boards : Number crunching : The ultimate build (Message 1579402)
Posted 29 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I was focusing on efficient and low noise for this configuration. Here is what I came up with & a selection of alternative parts that for a slightly higher cost would be used to add more performance.
Mobo:		$77.99	GIGABYTE GA-H97M-HD3
Case:		$39.99	NZXT Source 210
CPU:		$139.99	i3-4350
Cooler:		$19.98	NZXT Respire T20
GPU 1:		$148.99	EVGA 750Ti Superclock 2GB 02G-P4-3753-KR (running MB)
GPU 2:		$104.99	SAPPHIRE R7 260X 2GB 100366-2L (running AP)
RAM:		$49.99	G.SKILL ECO Series 4GB (2x2GB) PC3 12800 v1.35 F3-12800CL9D-4GBECOF3-12800CL9D-8GBXM 
PSU:		$79.99	Rosewill CAPSTONE-550-M 550W, modular, single rail, 80Plus Gold
HDD:		$38.00	Western Digital Blue 500GB, 2.5" WD5000LPVX

Total:		$699.91

Alt CPU:	$189.99	i5-4460
Alt Cooler:	$72.95	NZXT Kraken X31
Alt RAM:	$82.99	G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2x4GB) PC3 12800 v1.35 F3-12800CL9D-8GBXM
Alt PSU:	$109.99	Rosewill TACHYON-650 650W, modular, single rail, 80Plus Platinum
Alt HDD:	$64.99	SanDisk 128GB SSD, 2.5" SDSSDHP-128G-G25

Total w/ alt:	$892.87

UPS:		$99.99	APC BR1000G 1000va 600w
Alt UPS:	$139.06	APC BR1300G 1300va 780w
2310) Message boards : Number crunching : a question way out (Message 1579361)
Posted 29 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
thanks Hal
I may give it a try.

Looks like our IT staff is using CCleaner now. I guess the old software we were using Easy Cleaner was getting a bit dated. Not having been updated in about 9 years. lol
2311) Message boards : Number crunching : some basics in amd gpu computing (Message 1579191)
Posted 28 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Someone needs to write a SETI crunching app for iOS.


They are still Beta testing the Apps for Mac desktop and laptops GPUs. Once they get those done, maybe but one thing at a time. ;)

Someone would still need to create & publish a version of BOINC for iOS. Would Apple would be willing to fund that development like HTC did for the Android app?
2312) Message boards : Number crunching : tthrottle - users and critique (Message 1579121)
Posted 28 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
OK, I didn't have much of a response to my question, so I will broaden it and try again.

What do you think in general about programs such as tthrottle that 'throttle' your cpu/gpu to prevent damage to those parts?

In my mind if you have to limit how much something runs to reduce it's heat output. Then in most cases money could have been saved by buying a slower part that puts out less heat and would run at 100%.

I would guess that many users would rather opt for better cooling solutions instead of using software to control temperatures. However for users that don't want to change their cooling solution there are software solutions like tthrottle.
Other times it is not possible to change the cooling solution for a system. Such as a notebook. As most notebooks are not really designed to dissipate the heat of running at 100% for extended periods of time. So if another method of cooling them can not be found software to limit how much they run must be used.
2313) Message boards : Number crunching : some basics in amd gpu computing (Message 1579065)
Posted 28 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
My machine sounds dirt slow. It takes 30 hours approximatly to do a AP. It is a ATI Radeon 3000 series gpu. Now how do you do a wu on a smartphone⁉️

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=edu.berkeley.boinc&hl=en

F F F FIDDLESTICKS!!! I HAVE A IOS phone.

Well if you have an Android device of any kind you could give it a ago. However I would imagine if you have an iPhone you would also have an iPad of some sort if you have a tablet.
2314) Message boards : Number crunching : a question way out (Message 1579061)
Posted 28 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
There are many. CCleaner is a decent one. There is free one the IT people use on our machine at work which is pretty good. However I don't recall the name right now.

It can't hurt to clean the gunk out of the registry every now and then. If you are not uninstalling things very often there isn't much need to use one.
2315) Message boards : Number crunching : @Pre-FERMI nVidia GPU users: Important warning (Message 1579059)
Posted 28 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Attention, if you have a nVidia card that's 4 years old or older, and have updated to Driver 340.xx

People usually do know what kind of card they have, or can look that up. So then you point out to go to https://developer.nvidia.com/cuda-gpus. Any GPU with compute capability 1.0, 1.1, 1.2 and 1.3 will be affected.

More importantly most users never even look at the message boards.
2316) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (90) Server Problems? (Message 1578951)
Posted 28 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
9/27/2014 9:43:03 PM SETI@home Scheduler request completed: got 3 new tasks
9/27/2014 9:48:12 PM SETI@home Scheduler request completed: got 7 new tasks
9/27/2014 9:53:21 PM SETI@home Scheduler request completed: got 6 new tasks
9/27/2014 10:02:23 PM SETI@home Scheduler request completed: got 7 new tasks
9/27/2014 10:07:50 PM SETI@home Scheduler request completed: got 6 new tasks
9/28/2014 1:50:13 AM SETI@home Reporting 2 completed tasks
9/28/2014 1:50:15 AM SETI@home Scheduler request completed: got 2 new tasks

Seems to be working fine on my end for a new host I just setup a few hours ago.
2317) Message boards : Number crunching : some basics in amd gpu computing (Message 1578950)
Posted 28 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
My machine sounds dirt slow. It takes 30 hours approximatly to do a AP. It is a ATI Radeon 3000 series gpu. Now how do you do a wu on a smartphone⁉️

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=edu.berkeley.boinc&hl=en
2318) Message boards : Number crunching : @Pre-FERMI nVidia GPU users: Important warning (Message 1578868)
Posted 27 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Here's a 9800 GT producing incorrect results after installing driver 340.32;
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/results.php?hostid=7036438&offset=0&show_names=0&state=3&appid=
Bump.

Maybe this thread should be a Sticky?

Or the new plan class opencl_nvidia_cc1 Eric made over on Beta that resolves this issue could be implemented here.
The decision may have been made not to worry about doing it for AP v6 and just add it when AP v7 is rolled out.
2319) Message boards : Number crunching : Too long deadlines in SETI@home v7 units. (Message 1578836)
Posted 27 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Out of all my ~400 pending tasks I have 31 that are older than 30 days


That's about 8% of the total.

So assuming you return work on the average time, then only 1/2 your tasks go into pending at all. So maybe 4% of the total are actually lost?

My Pending to Valid numbers are generally pretty close to 50/50. It is actually 54.5/45.5 right now, but it sometimes it goes the other way too.
With my current numbers, & only looking at my pending tasks, 2.5% are stuck in limbo. That's about half of my tasks older than 30 days. So just using 5% as an average across the project. That would give us about 158941 MB & 11223 AP that are in limbo or ones that may time out. With about half, 79471 MB & 5612 AP, of them going in the "may time out" column. I imagine not all of the tasks over 30 days old would time out & get sent to another host, but even if it is over 80% of the 79471 MB & 5612 AP. That is a pretty small number for the whole project.
2320) Message boards : Number crunching : Too long deadlines in SETI@home v7 units. (Message 1578656)
Posted 27 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I think having a server side feature for a user to mark their host as no longer in use. So that any In Progress tasks would get marked as abandoned, aborted, or timed out would be an ideal solution. That kind of feature probably should also not allow the host to download any new tasks while set. Which might be able to be done by setting the daily limit to 0. Sort of like when the daily limit is reduced when several errors occur.

Really since they implemented the task limits I have seen the number of really old pending tasks drop quite a lot.
Out of all my ~400 pending tasks I have 31 that are older than 30 days & most of those are ones stuck in limbo. So cleaning those up on a regular basis would probably have a greater effect than reducing the deadlines and forcing slower machines out.
2321) Message boards : Number crunching : some basics in amd gpu computing (Message 1578593)
Posted 27 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The most benefit might be to put the 6570 in place of the 4650 in your other machine. The lower power usage of 44W for the 6570 vs 48W of the 4650 isn't huge, but the processing times on the 6570 should be much better than ~18 hours. The 6370m in my notebook runs just under 6. hours.

Or perhaps your Core 2 Quad CPU Q8300 has a PCIe slot to put one of the cards in for crunching?
2322) Message boards : Number crunching : some basics in amd gpu computing (Message 1578485)
Posted 26 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
lol

thanks Hal

The exit status is actually 197 (0xc5) EXIT_TIME_LIMIT_EXCEEDED & not 177. 177 is another one I remember but I forget the instance it occurs now.
2323) Message boards : Number crunching : some basics in amd gpu computing (Message 1578426)
Posted 26 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
thanks Hal,
I understand the first point clearly and wouldn't want to run multiple wu's on a gpu.

That second item seems unclear. What would estimated times have to do with the actual running of a task? Why would the slower card even consider exiting based on a prefigured estimate to complete?

Is that one of the "features" of boinc that someone else mentioned before?

Basically a mechanism thinks the task is taking much longer than it should, based on the estimate. Then it says "OK we are stopping this right now". IIRC the task is marked with an exit status of -177.
2324) Message boards : Number crunching : some basics in amd gpu computing (Message 1578360)
Posted 26 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
From what I understand so far, we don't want to combine high end and low end amd gpu's in the same computer. For example, r7 265 with 7770 with 6570. Why is that? Because the amd drivers are different for the different cards and we cannot use multiple amd drivers on the same computer? Or what? Or what don't I understand?

You don't want to mix fast and slow GPU's from any vendor. In the case of those 3 cards they actually all use the same driver. So you can in fact use them all at the same time if you really want, but it isn't a good idea for a few reasons. The issues of why you do not want to mix fast and slow cards are related to how BOINC treats the GPUs.

The top two issues that come to mind are:
- Configuration of a GPU is common across all GPUs for that app. Go configuring a fast GPU to run 2 at once will also force the slower card to run 2 at once. Which may cause it to choke and error.
- BOINC only stores one value for estimated times per app. So your really fast GPU would cause the estimated time to be very low. Then when the slower card runs a task it will exit early because it "ran to long".
2325) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (90) Server Problems? (Message 1578131)
Posted 26 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I wonder what the implications are from loading all this data in the splitter cue are. So far all seems well but I know we will pay.

Perhaps a hard core test of the splitters to check for errors? Maybe they are going to be out for a while & don't want to come back to message whining about lack of AP work?
2326) Message boards : Number crunching : Your thoughts on the upcoming Haswell E CPUs (Message 1578128)
Posted 26 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thanks woo hoo who and grant. I believe there are some advantages using a RAM disk over at World Community Grid especially with their Clean Energy 2 project with this particular project checkpoints can sometimes be up to 6 hours apart. I am under the impression with the rampage motherboard RAMdisk feature that when you shut down it saves everything and starts from where it left or when reloaded. Hence the reason why I am liking this idea

I don't think I would pay the extra money to buy a MB just to get the ramdisk software that comes with it. When you can get free ramdisk software. I use the free version of Dataram RAMDisk. The free version does have a 4GB limit, but that is more than enough for my needs. As the largest I use on a system with 24GB of RAM is only 2GB for BOINC.
2327) Message boards : Number crunching : Power bill challenge (Message 1578122)
Posted 26 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Smart meters . The biggest con out and just a way to make us mug's pay more for the big industrialist use of electricy

Smart meters and on/off Peak billing are two separate things.
2328) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (90) Server Problems? (Message 1577819)
Posted 25 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I can also confirm this, if you have the "Don't' move sticky posts to the top" box ticked.

If I disable Don't move sticky posts to top it also goes away & returns once enabled again.

Thanks both, I can reproduce that here. I'll pass it on. David is taking a breather after yesterday, so it may take a little while - it doesn't seem to be a fatal problem, just untidy.

And he's just fixed it. I sincerely hope that was the last batch.

Looks like we are error/notice free once again!
2329) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (90) Server Problems? (Message 1577620)
Posted 25 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
CTL F5 & it's still there.
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_forum.php?id=10


Win7, IE11

That's very strange. I've tried IE11 on three different versions of Win7, Home, Professional and Ultimate, 32-bit and 64-bit, logged in to SETI and logged out - and I can't make that error message appear any which way. Unless it's some very particular combination of forum display preference settings - which you'll have to explain to us - I'm at a loss.

Anyone else still seeing this, or able to reproduce it?

Yes, I am still seeing
Notice: Undefined variable: stickysql in /disks/carolyn/b/home/boincadm/projects/sah/html/inc/forum.inc on line 996
in IE and FF.
If I log out the notice goes away & returns when logged in again.
If I disable Don't move sticky posts to top it also goes away & returns once enabled again.
2330) Message boards : Number crunching : Issues with Astropulse (Message 1577464)
Posted 25 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
@HAL9000
Looking through the .inf files for various drivers from 11.12 to 12.4 the oldest mobile GPU I come across the the HD5000 series. In Cat 13.9 I don't see any mention of the RV635 or and HD 3000 series GPU. So I'm not sure if that only installed a new Catalyst Control Center for you, or what is going on with that. At present it looks like your machine does not have a GPU detectable by BOINC.

Well, on the AMD site it asked me to choose my graphic card series and exact model - and then I got Cat 13.9 as the newest compatibile driver. And when I tried to install it, there was an option to install Catalyst Control Center (which was absent in 12.4 and 12.2, with them I could only install Catalyst Installation Manager). I don't know what wizardry is that, but that's how it looks.

@TBar
Thanks a lot, that driver have done the trick, now Astropulse task is being computed without any problems. And that Display Driver Uninstaller is a handy tool, which I haven't known before.

And I also want to thank everybody who paid attention to my problem, I am grateful.

I forgot that they like to make it confusing and release separate "legacy" packages with the name Cat version.

Legacy Cat 13.9
Display Driver ver. 8.97.100.11
OpenCL(tm) Driver 10.0.937.2
Catalyst Control Center 2013.0429.2312.39747

vs

Standard Cat 13.9
Display Driver ver. 13.152
OpenCL(tm) Driver ver. 10.0.1268.1
Catalyst Control Center ver. 2013.0830.1943.33589

It looks like your machine is happy now & that is the important part.
2331) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (90) Server Problems? (Message 1577333)
Posted 24 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Well...I'm not sure why someone keeps adding data to the Splitters, but, they need to STOP. It's already up to 'total channels to do': MB 824 : AP 503. When you do that there are LONG periods between AP downloads.
Please Stop adding data to the Splitters.

I thought they were trying to stuff all of the remaining '08 and '09 data in at once.
That or they know they data loaded will generate a ton of MB shorties. In which case we could possibly burn thought BM before AP.
2332) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (90) Server Problems? (Message 1577244)
Posted 24 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Things are going wacky all over the place.

Time to play whack a mole bug.
2333) Message boards : Number crunching : Power bill challenge (Message 1577220)
Posted 24 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Downstairs I have an electronic meter which records the instant power rate and adds it for the bill. It is read at distance by ENEL (the state utility) I believe via Ethernet on the power lines. Once in the Nineties a friend engineer had built a modem which used the power lines to connect devices, but he found that the wiring inside houses was too unreliable to use for data transmission from one room to another, so he abandoned the idea.
Tullio

They installed a meter for me that broadcasts the usage wirelessly. So the power company can just drive down the street in a van instead of looking at it. I think they are still working out which kind to use. As my meter has changed twice & my neighbor still has the older analog gear driven meter.
Having the LCD panel on my meter does make it easy to check my daily power usage. I have pondered setting up the equipment to read my meter using the wireless system. So I could get hourly usage data, but that doesn't look like an easy thing to do at this point in time.
2334) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (89) Server Problems? (Message 1577148)
Posted 24 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hmm, here's a poser as I've not seen it mentioned anywhere. Now that the project has relocated to the colo, rather than see all this testing on Seti main, why not re-activate Boinc Alpha & do all the testing there & as well on Seti Beta?

Or are the Boinc servers at UCB rather than the colo?

Well the colo is part of the Berkeley campus & run by their IT staff IIRC.
2335) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (89) Server Problems? (Message 1577101)
Posted 24 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
OK, I've collected four different error messages from

forum_index.php
home.php
sah_donate.php
show_user.php

(home and sah_donate are similar but subtly different)

Any more contributions for the compendium in the next couple of hours, please - say by 13:00 UTC - and I'll bundle them up and send them off.

Edit - found another one in sah_status.php
And enjoy http://setiweb.ssl.berkeley.edu/beta/status.php

Did you happen to drop a reminder about http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/client_types.php not updating, or is that more for the project guys to do?
2336) Message boards : Number crunching : Issues with Astropulse (Message 1577064)
Posted 24 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
You are using a Legacy card with the Legacy Driver, which will not work with the only Legacy App your card can use. I known....but, the Legacy App AstroPulse v6 v6.08 (cal_ati) will not work with that driver. You need to remove the Driver with Display Driver Uninstaller and install Catalyst 12.4 or Older. Don't know why it sent you AstroPulse v6 v6.06 (opencl_ati_nocal_100), that App will not work...at all.

Display Driver Uninstaller - https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/550192/geforce-drivers/wagnard-tools-ddu-gmp-tdr-manupulator-updated-09-22-14-/
Catalyst 12.4 - http://support.amd.com/en-us/download/desktop/previous/detail?os=Windows%207%20-%2064&rev=12.4

If it still doesn't work you need to find the ProgramData/BOINC/projects/setiathome.berkeley.edu Folder and delete the files ending in .bin, .bin_v6 and .wisdom so new ones can be created.


Unfortunately, 12.4 Catalyst from AMD site can't be installed for Toshiba notebook (which I have). After installing Catalyst Install Manager I don't even have option to install Catalyst Control Center. And the only driver I found on Toshiba's website was: http://www.toshiba.eu/innovation/download_driver_details.jsp?service=EU&selCategory=2&selFamily=2&selSeries=153&selProduct=819&selShortMod=null&language=13&selOS=30&selType=11&yearupload=&monthupload=&dayupload=&useDate=null&mode=allMachines&search=&action=search&macId=&country=all&selectedLanguage=13&type=11&page=1&FROM=windows7&ID=69736&OSID=30&driverLanguage=42
However, Catalyst 13.9 (the newest aviable for my card) installs without any problems. It seems like 12.4 and older versions (I guess, since 12.2 didn't work too) can't be used on my notebook.

Getting newer drivers for notebooks has always been a pain. With NV & ATI stating "Check with your notebook maker for a new driver". So in the past for my HD6370m I would download the newest Cat package & modify the inf from a related GPU to match the PNPID of my mobile GPU. With the last two updates they have included my mobile GPU in the normal Cat package.
Looking through the .inf files for various drivers from 11.12 to 12.4 the oldest mobile GPU I come across the the HD5000 series. In Cat 13.9 I don't see any mention of the RV635 or and HD 3000 series GPU. So I'm not sure if that only installed a new Catalyst Control Center for you, or what is going on with that. At present it looks like your machine does not have a GPU detectable by BOINC.
2337) Message boards : Number crunching : Power bill challenge (Message 1577023)
Posted 24 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
LOL, there is no way to answer this question - way too many variables. But assuming my measured power use of 280w (reduced to average of 200w) on my z400 system x 3.200.000 pcs (reported systems) = 600.000.000w. 6 hundred million watts across a wildly divergent cost for power has no way of being calculated.

I pay .014 per kwh, how much do you pay?

Robert

I pay on average $0.1863 KW/h. I am sure there is some kind of global average for the cost of a KW/h & an average power could be guessed.
Currently there are ~130,000 computers with a RAC > 0. When I last looked the BOINCstats said there were 3,000,000 active hosts. So that discrepancy does make it hard to figure things as well. However using the 130,000 machine with RAC >0 it comes to an average RAC of ~1100 per host.
Once you decide on what kind of RAC an average host should have then you could apply the average RAC value to determine annual electric use.
2338) Message boards : Number crunching : Power bill challenge (Message 1576644)
Posted 23 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Just for fun, does anyone want to take a stab at working out the monthly power bill for the total computing power contributed to SETI monthly?

You could take the computing power for the project and then figure some kind of average watt per flop.
Well... you could if the credit system that was meant to be a measure of computing power was actually that. Since it isn't that makes the task quite impossible.
Given the differences between MB & AP credit being drastically different and the power consumption for a computer being the same in either case would also make it difficult.
2339) Message boards : Number crunching : Max temp for getting the normal life out of a video card? (Message 1576598)
Posted 23 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Sorry Hal, I thought about that during the outage and remember that he has ATI...The person before comment about his NV and that got stuck in my head....'

I was hoping that it did work. As there does not seem to be as many tools for customizing non NV hardware. I am not sure if MSI Afterburner or Sapphire TriXX give fan remapping options.
2340) Message boards : Number crunching : Max temp for getting the normal life out of a video card? (Message 1576591)
Posted 23 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Merle,

You are using Precision X? If so, did you customize your fan curve? What is the max temp on the curve so you get 100% fan usage? You can also set your target temp for the GPU in Precision X and it will throttle back when it hits that as to maintain that max temp. I wouldn't go as high as those 80-90's C. I think the max listed is somewhere near 90 but you are asking for trouble up that high. I would try to stick around 68 max if you can. You can push it higher but then you have to look at the trade offs.

Zalster

Precision X works with ATI cards now?
2341) Message boards : Number crunching : Max temp for getting the normal life out of a video card? (Message 1576536)
Posted 23 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I will also add that all of my cards are from Sapphire. Who has had a reputation for making quality cards since the days of ATI building their own cards.
I think they would be the ATI equivalent of EVGA. If that makes sense to you.
2342) Message boards : Number crunching : 269 pending - what will happen?? (Message 1576532)
Posted 23 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I found a computer that has 156 tasks "in progress". I found it because i was trying to figure out why i had a task (370648968) still pending validation from a month ago. I traced it to a computer that has had 156 tasks "in progress" for almost a month now. Looks like i'll be waiting for that task to time out and get resent to an active account. :/

I doubt it will time out. The deadline for that task is 20 October. Plus your wingperson is running An Intel Xeon with 8 cores. His GPU is a GeForce 310.

My I7 3770,s with a 550TI gpu can burn through 200 AP tasks in about 4 or 5 days.

I think you are safe even with the 10 timeouts his GPU has had.

Given that host hasn't contacted the servers in about 3.5 weeks. I would expect their task to timeout & get sent to a 3rd host. Per normal operation.
2343) Message boards : Number crunching : Max temp for getting the normal life out of a video card? (Message 1576531)
Posted 23 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hal,

I leave the fan on my HD6870 on auto. On a hot day with the windows open the fan spins up to about 55% from 40-45%. While keeping the GPU at the same temp as when the A/C going is on. I would have to check the temp logs but I think it stays well under 60ºC all of the time.
I leave the fan on auto to hopefully get as much life out of the fan as possible. Because a dead fan is a fairly likely way to have a dead GPU.


Do you always use auto? When I left my r7 265 on auto, I had a temp as high as 76C which bothers me a little.

Given the options for the fan on the GPU are auto or a single fixed speed I use auto. Then the fan runs at the percent specified by the card manufacture. There are probably apps to tune the fan speeds at various temps. Like I can do with my MB for the CPU and chassis fans, but I haven't bother to go that route.

I recently bought a 2nd 6870 off of ebay for $40 to put in my HTPC. That card runs a bit warmer than the one in my gaming machine. I am seeing up to 74ºC with the fan running around 60%. I tested various manual settings in the HTPC to see how much of an effect they would have. At 100% it would drop to about 62ºC, but at that point the fan noise is rather terrible. Anything over 75% I didn't care for in the way of noise. I'm OK with the temperature of the GPU. So long as it runs without generating errors.
I may try turning the fan speed down and let the temp go up to see at what point it will generate errors. Then I will have a good measure of "this is to hot".

Next summer I may swap the 5750 back in the system or get a newer more efficient GPU to keep the noise down for that system. Because I don't want to try and watch a movie over the sound of a jet trying to take off in the living room.
2344) Message boards : Number crunching : Well it had to happen... (Message 1576225)
Posted 22 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I've been watching my inconclusives and made an observation. Since ramping up production as winter approaches my pending WUs have doubled whereas my inconclusives have gone up by a factor of 5.
Assuming that I'm not generating invalids (and when I click through on my inconclusive wingman I see lots of invalids so it's probably not me) I guess that means the invalids have a comparatively fast turnaround time. Does that mean they are more likely to validate against each other?

In a way the hosts trashing work do have a higher chance of finding another host trashing work to generate a false valid result. However with the large number of hosts out there it doesn't happen very often. The two machine listed in the OP are running a rate of about 3% valid. I didn't check to see if any of their valid tasks are truly valid, but given the low numbers, of 8 & 28, I expect not.
2345) Message boards : Number crunching : Well it had to happen... (Message 1576168)
Posted 22 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
About as bad as those NV card users that return nothing but -9 overflows.

Actually, this is much worse because they're validating bad results against each other, causing good results to be thrown out.

Exact same issue as before. When it was brought up a few years ago it was two NV GPUs that trashed their work validating against each other. With the good CPU result being tossed out. Which does still happen btw.
2346) Message boards : Number crunching : headless computer? (Message 1576097)
Posted 22 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thanks OzzFan
Yes, sorry 300Mbps

I would guess that is several times faster than your internet connection. Unless you have GB fiber. In which case I don't want to know!
>.<
la la la la la la

At work I have 25 machines sharing a 100Mb pipe to the internet & that is more than enough bandwidth. The only issue I could see from using a wireless adapter would be if it acts weird and you can't access the machine. Which is an issue I have with one of my notebooks. It continues to have internet access fine, but won't talk to any other device on the network. I've chalked it up to being an older atheros wireless adapter.
2347) Message boards : Number crunching : Well it had to happen... (Message 1576093)
Posted 22 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
About as bad as those NV card users that return nothing but -9 overflows.
2348) Message boards : Number crunching : 750Ti Power Consumption (Message 1575895)
Posted 22 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Given that a PCIe x16 slot is rated for 75w the 60w cards should be fine. At least on paper. Whether or not the MB was designed to take a continuous load is a separate question.
If your P35 board is built anything like the P45 board I bought I expect it will be fine. You may even be pulling less from the PCIe slots than you were with the older 116w cards.
2349) Message boards : Number crunching : Phantom Triplets (Message 1575798)
Posted 22 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Having something that consistently fails is indeed much nicer. Which is why Jason mentioned trying to force an error. With an error rate of 1 in 800 that would put it at 1 about every 16 days. You said most of the errors happen late at night, but have they happened on the same day(s)? It makes me think there could be some kind of large industrial plant powering up or down ever 2 weeks. Causing just enough of a fluctuation in the line voltage to make your GPU to go a little nuts.

Ah, if only it was that consistent! Although it may average out to once every 16 days, the intervals have actually ranged from 2 days up to 35 days, the most recent interval being just 4 days. Not happening the same day or time, either, I'm afraid. Let's see, I have (in order) a Monday at ~1:35 AM, a Wednesday at ~4:40 AM, a Tuesday at ~6:05 PM, a Tuesday at ~10:50 PM, and a Saturday at ~3:20 PM. No industrial plants nearby, either. I live in a fairly rural area. That's not to say PG&E's electric service is entirely prodicable, though. Sometimes they make California feel like a third world country, with random outages that seem to have no external cause (i.e., perfectly bright, sunny day or calm, clear night, no car meeting power pole, but suddenly, no juice). However, that's been true for as long as I've lived here (28+ years) and this thing with this one GPU is quite new. I'm keeping the suggestions on voltages, both yours and Jason's, in reserve for now, pending any worsening of the situation.

I'd still like to try running a GPU memory test first, if I can find one similar to memtest86, just to test the memory, not stress test the whole GPU.

This seems to be one of few tools out there to test video memory.
http://mikelab.kiev.ua/index_en.php?page=PROGRAMS/vmt_en
2350) Message boards : Number crunching : Phantom Triplets (Message 1575765)
Posted 21 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
About every 4-6 weeks the 8500 GT I'm using throws a fit and starts trashing work. Despite it being in a lab with temperature, humidity, & power regulation. I tried a few things like shutting down the system weekly to see if it would help, but nothing I tried has so far.
I decided it was rare enough I didn't want to spend any more time looking into it.

Actually, I think if my 550Ti actually went off the rails like that, continuing to throw Invalids for an extended period after it got the first one, I'd understand it better, or at least be more understanding of it, than the way it just pharts once and then resumes as if there's nothing wrong. :^) At least then, if cleaning it or reseating it or increasing the fan speed, etc., didn't make the problem go away, I wouldn't feel hesitant to replace it. Under the present circumstances, though, I certainly wouldn't want to do that.

Speaking of replacing a card, a couple months ago I replaced an 8600 GT in my old IBM Thinkcentre with one of the (relatively) new ASUS GT 630 1GB cards. It's passively cooled and only has a maximum draw of 25w versus the 47w max for the 8600 GT. The actual power draw seems to be running only about 13w. The card only cost me $33.00 USD delivered (new, on eBay) and I figure it saves me over $4/month in electricity, so should pay for itself in about 8 months. Oh, and it provides about an 18% boost in production (at least as measured by Credits). Might be worth considering for your cranky 8500 GT.

Having something that consistently fails is indeed much nicer. Which is why Jason mentioned trying to force an error. With an error rate of 1 in 800 that would put it at 1 about every 16 days. You said most of the errors happen late at night, but have they happened on the same day(s)? It makes me think there could be some kind of large industrial plant powering up or down ever 2 weeks. Causing just enough of a fluctuation in the line voltage to make your GPU to go a little nuts.

In my case the 8500 GT is a work machine I use for testing. Hardware is kept the same in order to have consistent test platforms or for instances when something needs to be regressed. I did try a few years ago to get some GT 430's for several of the systems. So the systems could correctly support Windows Aero, but that never happened. I had also made a proposal to replace all of the monitors in the lab that were using CRTs with LCDs. I even included the amount of time it would take to recoup the cost in electric to pay for them. Sometimes our bean counters are not the brightest.
2351) Message boards : Number crunching : Phantom Triplets (Message 1575738)
Posted 21 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thanks for the insights, Jason. Thus far, I haven't tinkered with the voltage or clocks on that card at all. It's just running at all the defaults, with no overclocking. Probably, unless the frequency of this little anomaly increases significantly, I'll try to avoid altering any of those settings. The idea of actually trying to increase the Invalid rate in order to possibly get a clue to diagnose the existing low failure rate doesn't really appeal to me at the moment! ;^)

- The inherent susceptibility of 'consumer grade' hardware to soft error
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soft_error#Causes_of_soft_errors, especially,

IBM estimated in 1996 that one error per month per 256 MiB of ram was expected for a desktop computer


That's some really interesting stuff...definitely a scary door! I had no idea that "soft" errors were so prevalent and could be caused so easily. Alpha particles and cosmic rays and thermal neutrons, oh my! I can't wait for my bank to blame the next data breach on a thermal neutron.

Seriously, though, could a soft error possibly be consistent enough to cause the sort of rare, yet consistent, hiccup that I'm seeing where only Triplets (and lots of them) are being incorrectly identified where none apparently exist?

About every 4-6 weeks the 8500 GT I'm using throws a fit and starts trashing work. Despite it being in a lab with temperature, humidity, & power regulation. I tried a few things like shutting down the system weekly to see if it would help, but nothing I tried has so far.
I decided it was rare enough I didn't want to spend any more time looking into it.
2352) Message boards : Number crunching : Phantom Triplets (Message 1575686)
Posted 21 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Is the 550 Ti one of the Ti cards prone issues with power?
If it is you could log the voltages and see if there are any drops on the 12v supply that coincide with the running time window for any future invalid tasks.
2353) Message boards : Number crunching : venting (Message 1575669)
Posted 21 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Prevent the aliens or government from controlling or reading your thoughts......LOL

In a funny twist it would actually act as an antenna. Making one more receptive to such mind controlling devices.
For a faraday cage to work correctly it must complete surround the object. So a tinfoil suit is a much better idea. :)
2354) Message boards : Number crunching : headless computer? (Message 1575158)
Posted 20 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
tbret or anybody

Team Viewer seems cheap and easy. What is this about push the power button less than 4 seconds? Wouldn't you just shutdown over Team Viewer?

The default action for Windows is to start shutting down when the power button is pressed. This gives you a clean system shutdown.
If you hold the power button more than 4 seconds it is ATX spec to shut off the PSU. Which Windows will treat as an unexpected shutdown.
2355) Message boards : Number crunching : headless computer? (Message 1575130)
Posted 20 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Headless Computer:

Is it without a monitor, keyboard and mouse? How do you get it setup? How do you shut it down? I assume it will just be running seti/lunatics/win8.1.

There are many options. A few are.
1) You could get an inexpensive KVM switch to go between your machines.
2) Get a network KVM device so you remote into it and have full control over the whole machine just like a KVM, but across the network. However these are often expensive.
3) Connect your current monitor and input devices. Setup the system and install remote software such as VNC when done.
4) Connect your current monitor and input devices. Setup the system then control it remotely over the network with command line options.

I mostly do 3 or 4 myself.
Once you have the system setup & configure BOINC to launch on start up you can control BOINC through BOINC Manager from your main system.
Most of my systems I don't even have BOINC Manager running. Since I am accessing the systems remotely when I need to do anything via boinccmd.

As far as shutting the system down you can do that remotely via a windows command line option. Open a command line prompt and type shutdown /? to get the full help instructions.
2356) Message boards : Number crunching : Different cache for AP/MB (Message 1575126)
Posted 20 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Is it possible to set different cache values for AP and MB? Like 10 days for AP and 1 day for MB?

Cache preferences are globally for BOINC instead of per project or application in a project.
2357) Message boards : Number crunching : The ultimate build (Message 1575056)
Posted 20 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The GTX750Ti is a dual slot wide card, right?
Then the max is 4 cards/mobo.
Or low profile cards are available?

Instead of two GTX750Ti one e.g. GTX780 / maybe ~ same RAC output.

AFAIK, BOINC can manage up to 8 GPU chips (4x dual, or 8 separate cards).

You could use 14/20 slot chassis or use PCIe extensions to have the cards further apart. The main issue would be having enough PCIe lanes for all the cards. So a multi-socket MB would be a good start.
I think BOINC has always supported more than 8 GPUs. However scheduler wouldn't believe the client if it reported more 8. It would only give it # of tasks for 8 GPUs. I seem to recall that this limit was increased to a higher value. I want to say 40, but that may not be correct.
2358) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (89) Server Problems? (Message 1575047)
Posted 20 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I would love to see one computer download gig worth of work. I wonder how long it would take to process a week on latest hardware running 24 7

Do you want a GB of MB work or AP work. Because a machine doing CPU & GPU can have 1.6GB of AP very easily when they are being produced. For MB 1 GB would be around 2700. Which was about the size of the 10 day queue on my 24 core server before the limits & when we were on MB v6.
2359) Message boards : Number crunching : The ultimate build (Message 1574551)
Posted 19 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Something that might be good to include would be price range categories.
Perhaps separated by 500 increments.
$/£/€ 499.99 & under
$/£/€ 999.99 - 500.00
$/£/€ 1499.99 - 1000.00
$/£/€ 1999.99 - 1500.00
$/£/€ 2499.99 - 2000.00
$/£/€ 2999.99 - 2500.00
Then larger values as the amount increases
$/£/€ 3999.99 - 3000.00
$/£/€ 4999.99 - 4000.00
$/£/€ 5999.99 - 5000.00
$/£/€ 14999.99 - 10000.00
$/£/€ 19999.99 - 15000.00
$/£/€ 24999.99 - 20000.00
2360) Message boards : Number crunching : GPU Wars 2014: Postponed to 2015? (Message 1574507)
Posted 19 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
This is interesting..

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2686115/nvidia-unveils-its-all-new-geforce-gtx-980-and-gtx-970-graphics-processors.html

the TDP for the GeForce GTX 980 with 4GB is just 165 watts.


Another article say 195W. Either way, that's still pretty good reduction

Despite the lower power consumption, Nvidia says the GTX 980 will deliver 5 teraflops of single-precision compute performance

http://www.geforce.com/hardware/desktop-gpus/geforce-gtx-980/specifications
http://www.geforce.com/hardware/desktop-gpus/geforce-gtx-970/specifications
2361) Message boards : Number crunching : Max temp for getting the normal life out of a video card? (Message 1574476)
Posted 19 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I'm getting too hooked on this stuff. I just bought a dell with a r9 260 as my graphic card and I just swore the other day I wanted out of the dell hook up.
But I saw this pretty little thing for a nice price and I just had to do it.
Didn't even have a choice. That's it, no more stuff.

You might want some ointment. As it seems you have been bitten by the bug.
2362) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (89) Server Problems? (Message 1574473)
Posted 19 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Interesting stair-steps on the Crickets right now.


Yes, in Daily Graph. But when looking at Monthly Graph I see transfers are going back to "normal" and above it, no more AP frenzy???

Just my guess...

If you look at the monthly graph you can see our "normal" AP frenzy traffic. Which is often about 200Mb. The past few weeks there was an uptick in the inbound, first small and then larger, and outbound even went up over 400Mb at one point. It looks odd even on the yearly graph.
2363) Message boards : Number crunching : ntpckr questions (Message 1574465)
Posted 19 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
My understanding is.. they got a donated, spec-built server specifically for ntpckr to be run, but shortly after firing that process up, it just about crippled the science database, so it was turned off.

Then work (and more hardware donations) began on improving the I/O throughput for the database, and we now have the hardware for the database server that can handle immense I/O loads, and then it was discovered that the I/O limitations are the software itself (or the drivers for the hardware), which needs tweaking and fine-tuning, or for alternatives to be found and tested and eventually deployed.

This is the stage where I believe it still is. I believe it was generally decided that the database software was not particularly designed for a database as large as what we have, so we are in "uncharted territory" so to speak.


However, I have suggested once before that if ntpckr is such a load on the database, why not use a copy of the weekly back-up and put it directly on the ntpckr machine and let it chew through that for however long it takes for it to get "caught up," and then throw an incremental update to the database at it and it will chew through that in short order, maybe do one more incremental update, and from there, it should be able to handle "near real time" with minimal impact.

But.. I don't know if that's even a feasible option or not.

I think Matt had mentioned they were looking into splitting the DB into smaller chunks. So that they could actually work with it.
2364) Message boards : Number crunching : Max temp for getting the normal life out of a video card? (Message 1574393)
Posted 19 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I only run one task at a time. The temps are 58-64C. The fan on the r7 I leave at 100% since it runs fairly quiet. The 7770 fan is usually around 70%.

I think Hal told me to only run one task at a time on my cards, if I remember correctly, but it was kind of hectic back then. You get the problem where the gpu's get slowed down by those heavily blanked tasks and have to rely on the pace of the cpu's.

Even if it was someone else. For these range cards it is probably good to run only 1 AP at a time. If the non blanked tasks are keeping the load up pretty high more than 1 isn't really a benefit. Also when mixing GPUs you either have to setup for the slowest one or run multiple instances of BOINC.

I leave the fan on my HD6870 on auto. On a hot day with the windows open the fan spins up to about 55% from 40-45%. While keeping the GPU at the same temp as when the A/C going is on. I would have to check the temp logs but I think it stays well under 60ºC all of the time.
I leave the fan on auto to hopefully get as much life out of the fan as possible. Because a dead fan is a fairly likely way to have a dead GPU.
2365) Message boards : Number crunching : GPU Wars 2014: Postponed to 2015? (Message 1574268)
Posted 19 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I just wandering why they skip the 800 series.

I think maybe to cause a better separation between different segments. Like Radeon R3, R5, R9 series GPUs. Perhaps they will keep some as 700 series. Then introduce new mid range GPU as 800 series.
2366) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (89) Server Problems? (Message 1573015)
Posted 17 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Yes the blue cricket line certainly has been under an unusual load over the last week or so, but then my GPU's have been doing a lot of MB shorties lately too.

Cheers.

I wonder if they are doing something with one of their other servers in the colo. As I recall they moved over all of their servers from the closet. Which included other things besides just the SETI@home gear.
A solid 150Mb, in both directions, is a lot of data the past few days.
2367) Message boards : Number crunching : Computer crashes a lot (Message 1572851)
Posted 16 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
As a work around until this is sorted out you could configure the machine for auto logon. That was when it crashes it will log in and restart BOINC. Running control userpasswords2 is one way you can setup the system for auto logon.

The information WhoCrashed is giving you is located in the Windows Event log. You don't really need a 3rd party application to read it, but whichever way you prefer works.

That error doesn't point to anything specific. Kernel crashes can be tricky to lock down. If you look in the windows event log are there any event prior to the crash that may show what the system was doing. Perhaps an anti-virus scan or something along those lines was running?
2368) Message boards : Number crunching : Different setting for different GPUs? (Message 1572763)
Posted 16 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

In another post Raistmer was mentioning it would be nice if we had a per GPU config and I made this suggestion. Perhaps one of the Lunatics forwarded it or a better idea to the BOINC devs.


I think that would be a great option if they could do it. Nice to know both of you were thinking already about that. Guess I'll wait and see if anything comes from that.

Zalster

If you are on the BOINC Alpha list you could mention it also. I would think that the more times something is mentioned the more likely it is to happen.
2369) Message boards : Number crunching : Different setting for different GPUs? (Message 1572717)
Posted 16 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
What about using the <coproc> inside of the app_config file. I was looking at that and trying to figure out if I could add that into the app_config and tell it if GPU 0 or GPU 1 then run this many, if GPU 2 or GPU 3 then run this.. I'm not sure how to fix it into the app_config. What I was thinking was along these lines.

<app_config>
<app>
<name>astropulse_v6</name>
<coproc>
<type>GTX 780</type>
<count>2</count>
<device_nums>0 1</device_nums>
<gpu_versions>
<gpu_usage>0.5</gpu_usage>
<cpu_usage>1</cpu_usage>
</gpu_version>
</coproc>
<coproc>
<type>GTX 750</type>
<count>2</count>
<device_nums>2 3</device_nums>
<gpu_versions>
<gpu_usage>1</gpu_usage>
<cpu_usage>1</cpu_usage>
</gpu_version>
</coproc>
</app>
</app_config>


Ok, I don't do code so I don't even know if what the above looks like is even remotely possible but that is why I am asking. Last thing I want to do is put this in the computer and have it go berzerk. Thoughts and Ideas?

You can add whatever you like to the app_config.xml. However since there is no code to read your made up values they will be ignored. With <coproc> declared twice I imagine the last one will take effect.

In another post Raistmer was mentioning it would be nice if we had a per GPU config and I made this suggestion. Perhaps one of the Lunatics forwarded it or a better idea to the BOINC devs.
2370) Message boards : Number crunching : various gpu card manufacturers (Message 1572708)
Posted 16 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I see now that the various card manufacturer's of video cards, Sapphire, MSI, XFX, etc. show different ratings for gpu core clock speed and single precision GFLOPS. I haven't found a source where you can compare one mfg. to another. Does anyone know if there is one and where to find it?


Do you mean like this?

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-graphics-card-review,3107-7.html

I think they are looking for a roundup comparison along the lines of: 10 Radeon R9 270 And 270X Boards, Reviewed. Unfortunately not a lot of review sites do very many of these kinds of comparisons.
I think mostly the manufactures don't want to show that when you pay an extra $80 for that slightly overclocked card you are only getting 0.021% more performance.
2371) Message boards : Number crunching : Different setting for different GPUs? (Message 1572698)
Posted 16 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The easy way to do that is start 2 instances of Boinc on the same host, each one optimized for one of the GPU´s.

I don't think anyone except you calls that 'easy' :P - though I don't doubt it's effective, but with side-effects.

It is pretty easy to setup, but BOINC can be rather temperamental in that situation. I had a few issues the last time I was doing that with BOINC 7.0.64.
-Sometimes an instance would generate a new CPID
-Tasks run on one instance would be reported as valid on the other running instance.
-One instance would just stop running tasks with no log as to why. To get it running again all BOINC instances would have to be stopped and then started.
I figured I might try it again with a newer version at some point.
2372) Message boards : Number crunching : blanked AP - faster or slower (Message 1572443)
Posted 15 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I'm not sure you could actually force BOINC to only run highly blanked tasks on one of two GPUs. Well not without constantly micromanaging the system task by task.
Any efficiency gains would probably be lost in the constant stopping and starting of tasks to try and move them around.
2373) Message boards : Number crunching : crossfire or sli? (Message 1572441)
Posted 15 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Those features are used to make your collection of GPUs work as one for rendering purposes. Where the slight lag between the devices talking to one another isn't very noticeable.
In the case of BOINC & SETI@home you are preforming a separate function on each GPU. Having a single task processed across several GPUs may cause a massive slow down in processing while data moves across the PCIe. Instead of internally on the GPU.

In the past I think you actually needed to disable those features in order for BOINC to use all of the GPUs. However with newer drivers I think it no longer matters.
2374) Message boards : Number crunching : I have one screw missing! (Message 1572200)
Posted 15 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
OP: every single screw attaching the board to the mounting points is not 100% mandatory. Yes, you should use them all, but you don't have to. The ones around the edges are the most important, so just take one from the middle somewhere and move it to the missing one on the edge.

Sometimes not all of the stand-offs are for screws & there could be some that a guide posts.
I had forgotten about them until I was swapping out an older microATX with a mini-ITX the other night. I put the board in & looked to make sure I had 2 of the 4 holes lined up. I loosely put in 2 screw & then started to make sure the rest were lined up. I got to the post & my brain just stopped for a moment. Saying "one of these things is not like the other".
2375) Message boards : Number crunching : new computer build (Message 1572193)
Posted 15 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
It's been a while since I did this (mainly in the Windows 2000 and XP days), but my understanding then was that the Dell-branded re-installation CDs contained a BIOS check program. If the CD was run, and found a Dell BIOS, then the combination was automatically licensed and didn't need to go down the product key/activation route.

I still run a Dell Precision workstation which was supplied with Dell OEM XP pre-installed. I upgraded it to Vista using a Dell-supplied upgrade DVD (the hardware was already Vista-certified before I bought it - just that the OS hadn't been officially released), and I upgraded it again to Windows 7 using a Technet evaluation DVD and Technet-supplied product key. It's still running with the applications I first installed in 2006.

So it can be done, but there are so many possible permutations it's hard to predict how it will turn out in any particular case, with any particular combination of OS versions.

(My workstation went from XP Pro --> Vista Business --> 7 Ultimate. Remember that with Vista and 7, you can't mix Home and Business/Pro versions)

I have not had that happen on any systems I worked with. Perhaps it is another one of those differences in configuration between the US and UK division? As we have seen in the past with drivers supplied with their systems and such.
Perhaps it could have been retrieving the activation information from the Dell utilities partition? That is something I have always done away with when redoing a machine.
2376) Message boards : Number crunching : new computer build (Message 1572109)
Posted 15 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Dell puts the Microsoft OS key on the outside of the case

But that means anyone that have physical access to the computer can steal the OS key? (e.g. by making photo)

Having someones key that has been activated doesn't do you a lot of good. If you try to use an already activated key on another system. You get prompted to call MS and provide more information before activation occurs. Last time I did that it was automated, but it took ages to punch in everything on the phone keypad.
2377) Message boards : Number crunching : new computer build (Message 1572006)
Posted 14 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
If I am reading you correctly, I would have to go thru dell and their support $. I really don't want to go that route. My last computer I built myself, which I really didn't think I could do without a failure. I wouldn't want to get in another tie-in with a hardware mfg. if I can avoid it.

Dell puts the Microsoft OS key on the outside of the case. As per Microsoft's policy for OEMs to do so.
2378) Message boards : Number crunching : Computer Upgrades - normal or not? (Message 1571907)
Posted 14 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Wish I had the opportunity to harvest my old dead computers video card. It uses AGP tech. LOL.

There are some AGP cards that can be used for crunching. As far as I remember only ATI HD2xxx or later generation cards. Most of those cards could only do Astropulse work with the "hybrid" app. Which I think was said is no longer being developed. So forthcoming AP v7 will not be able to run on them. There are a few HD4xxx AGP cards that I think can use OpenCL, but the CPU has to support the right level SSE IIRC.
2379) Message boards : Number crunching : I have one screw missing! (Message 1571906)
Posted 14 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Can you remove one of the other screws and take it down to your local computer store, radio shack or lowes or Home Depot and see if they have something similar? One of my builds I didn't have enough screws so I just went down to Altex and asked them if they had some. I now have a box here that I keep all the extras screws that come in the boxes in case I need one.

I use old prescription medicine bottles to store various things like screws, stand offs, jumpers, diodes, & various other electrical parts. I even put labels on some of them. It is sort of like using old jelly jars for screws in a wood shop I suppose.
2380) Message boards : Number crunching : I have one screw missing! (Message 1571903)
Posted 14 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
My ASRock x58 extreme has one screw missing, I just discovered. It is the one at the top left of the mobo. It worried me so I contacted ASRock and they said they had no more available. My question is are the mobo screws interchangeable, that is, of a standard size and where might I get one?

Worried about a vibrating death I am.

I think most of us have a few loose screws... oh you mean real ones... :P

If you are talking about the screws that hold the motherboard to the chassis those are pretty common screws in various computer uses. It will be either an M3x5, or M3x6. If you have screws holding down the slot covers to the chassis they could work & you could just steal one from there.
You could also move a screw from a more secure location to there. There should be on in about the middle of the MB near the back of the system. Probably under where the video card is located. You could move that one to the top. As that portion of the MB is less prone to vibration with a video card holding it down.
If the screw was there before and came out it might b e rolling around in the chassis somewhere, or on the MB itself. Which could short something out. With the system off rolling around or shaking the chassis may reveal it.

If you don't have any extra screws from anything you can purchase a small kit of screws.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA5H61T29345&cm_re=motherboard_screw_kit-_-9SIA5H61T29345-_-Product
http://www.amazon.com/Link-Depot-Accessory-Computer-Screws/dp/B0017S5D5G/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&qid=1410708622&sr=8-8&keywords=motherboard+screw+kit

Alternatively if you see an old PC being thrown away you could grab it. Then gut it for extra screws, standoffs, & fans.
2381) Message boards : Number crunching : Son went off to school, time to get his rig crunching (Message 1571688)
Posted 13 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I never found any advantage to running 2 instances of either on my HD6870.
2382) Message boards : Number crunching : The current top cruncher (Message 1571567)
Posted 13 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I really hope these computers are HIS to play with as HE wants, and do not belong to either his employer or client(s) and are in a site where he is responsible for paying the energy bills. I would be more than a little pee'd if I were to find he was using hardware I was renting in a co-location site somewhere. And if I were the owner of a co-location site and found he was hammering my energy bill I'd be after him. I do hope he is above board in all respects and we don't have a repeat of the "Nez Event", but on a bigger scale...

If the few posts they made. They stated they saw using BOINC as a positive way to load test the data center(s).

Normally a co-location facility hosts your computer hardware. While supplying the other services such as power and network connectivity. Data center would host the software/services you need. The company that I use for my web hosting does both, but they are in different locations.
So I wouldn't be worried about a data center loading up the active host boxes with BOINC & reducing their performance.

I wouldn't imagine that anyone would miss a large increase in the power usage from unauthorized use in a data center. I only have 1 42U rack at work about 3/4 filled with old PowerEdge servers & disk arrays. With them crunching the extra power consumption & load on the UPS systems is not small. The UPSs go from about 30% at idle to 80-85% at full load. With newer hardware I would expect the difference to be even greater.

Our department "pays" a fixed amount for power usage in our labs no matter what we use. The boss man told me that we should be getting our monies worth out of what we are "paying". By "pay" it is just a line item in our budget that was assigned by the bean counters.
2383) Message boards : Number crunching : The current top cruncher (Message 1571492)
Posted 13 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
There is another Charles Long in Asteroids@Home. Participant since 22 Jun 2014 and he/she is top 1 already, with huge RAC over 21M, second best has 600K.

Coincidence?

Probably the same person(s) but using different account for each project.
http://boincstats.com/en/stats/-1/user/detail/2715986/projectList
http://boincstats.com/en/stats/-1/user/detail/2956508/projectList
http://boincstats.com/en/stats/-1/user/detail/3085222/projectList
2384) Message boards : Number crunching : -unroll xx -- how high?? (Message 1571489)
Posted 13 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
TBar, I believe

In ap_cmdline_win_x86_SSE2_OpenCL_ATI.txt

I have this setting;
-unroll 18 -ffa_block 4096 -ffa_block_fetch 2048 -sbs 256


With the r7 265 and the 7770, the r7 is at about 79-91% utilization with the 7770 at 31%. How far should I push -unroll? Go beyond -unroll 18? Safely?


Fearful :-)

With that amount of load on the 7770 it may have been processing a heavily blanked task at the time. In Task Manager you will see one of the GPU apps using more CPU time when this is happening. If that is the case. You can either wait for the task to complete or suspend seeing what another task will do.
2385) Message boards : Number crunching : Computer Upgrades - normal or not? (Message 1571198)
Posted 12 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
You video card users are making me jelous. All I have is on board graphics with 512MB shared memory. A AstroPulse puts a heavy system lag time on this number cruncher machine. Just glad it only takes 30 hours (approx.) to do one.

Some system tweaking or drivers newer than Cat 10.4 might help resolve some of the lag issues. Then again it could just be a limitation of the built in graphics of that system.
I am using the built in Intel Graphics on this machine. Which takes about a day to do an AP, but it doesn't seem to lag it. For about $75 it is a great little machine.

Also as far as crunching with old out of data bits you may like to see this machine. It runs 24/7 and is sporting a RAC of about 60.
2386) Message boards : Number crunching : HP laptop power cords (Message 1571170)
Posted 12 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Got my replacement cord earlier this week and just got around to Opening it. Turns out the replacement is a 2 meter cord. Where the one that came with my notebook was only 1 meter. So that is nice to have. As I had found the original shorter cable very annoying.
2387) Message boards : Number crunching : Long-running work unit (Message 1571012)
Posted 12 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Go to your list of computers
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/hosts_user.php
Select Tasks for that machine.
In the Task column choose Show names.
Locate the task & click on the Work Unit ID next to it in the list.
Now you can look at the Task details for the wingmates that have completed it.
2388) Message boards : Number crunching : Long-running work unit (Message 1570987)
Posted 12 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
If I have a troubled task I check to see if any of the wingmates that were also assigned the task has issues. If not I'll give it one more go before calling it quits.
2389) Message boards : Number crunching : Some questions about BOINC for Android... (Message 1570984)
Posted 12 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

Doing a google image search for odroid U2 showed many of them with I guess an optional heatsink like this. Some had fans some didn't. I would guess that is the best cooling option for that hardware?


Correct, this is how I got mine. Heatsink was not optional, the fan was. But overclocking from 1.7 to 2 GHz required extra cooling.
Google for odroid cluster, you may find real freaks.

I saw their 40mm fan but I imagine a larger 60mm or 80mm fan would do a better job. Maybe even a 120mm set off to the side to blow across the whole thing. Most are 12v, but finding 5v fans, often with USB connectors, are easy enough to locate these days.
2390) Message boards : Number crunching : Some questions about BOINC for Android... (Message 1570954)
Posted 12 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have an odroid U2 running now for about one year. Running Android most of the time, have also tried Kubuntu and Lubuntu. Works fine, runs overclocked to 2GHz 7/24 but requires definitely extra cooling.
Device draws ~6 Watts out of the wall. Has no KB/Mouse/Monitor attached, is remote controlled via VNC.
Currently it is crunching for The Skynet Pogs and Simap, has reached an overall score of 381,674 credits @ pogs (rank 2984 today) and 129,931 credits @ Simap (rank 7523 today).
Has also crunched Milkyway for 6 weeks, just to show that the top 10.000 can be reached in that time.
Has also crunched the Einstein Arecibo Neon wu's for some weeks, Android and Linux if I remember correctly.
All together: No problems so far.
At nativeboinc.org a statistic over various projects can be found.

There is a new XU3 Odroid available now, should be able to run all 8 cores at the same time, has a OpenCL 1.1 full profile GPU on board. Comes with an 5V 4A PS.

But this raises another question: How to cool this device? Has anyone experience with oil-bath cooling? I mean putting the whole device into an container full of oil.

Alexander

Doing a google image search for odroid U2 showed many of them with I guess an optional heatsink like this. Some had fans some didn't. I would guess that is the best cooling option for that hardware?
2391) Message boards : Number crunching : Cranky AMD HD 7470, driver glitches and reboots (Message 1570810)
Posted 12 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
After further thought, I realized that I experienced the same symptoms with Vista recently. Both cards were shown in BOINC, Two tasks were listed in the Manager, but only 1 task was actually working. The other task wasn't progressing, you could see it in GPU-Z & SIV. It was caused by Not having an acceptable Monitor connected to the 2nd card. The Dummy plug wasn't working. As soon as I ran another cable to an actual monitor it began working.

Did the "extend desktop" trick not work for that? I found I can set that, start BOINC, and then turn it off and the GPU's continue working normally until I restart BOINC again.
2392) Message boards : Number crunching : Computer Upgrades - normal or not? (Message 1570808)
Posted 12 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
As OzzFan stated the Xeons of this era were the same chips with a few different things enabled. Fitted in a 775 board it doesn't really matter. I was looking to upgrade my C2D E8400 to a C2Q Q9650, but found the Xeon X5450 771 to 775 conversion chips on ebay were actually cheaper. I never ended up buying one to upgrade that board. Instead I upgraded the processor and board to newer more efficient hardware.

So... yes, You have embarked upon a potentially expensive hobby. Either in buying hardware, paying for electric bills to run it, or your time in tweaking it to get everything you can out of the hardware. You don't have to be crazy to be here, but it helps :)
2393) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (89) Server Problems? (Message 1570630)
Posted 11 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
:( According to SetiSpirit, I've received 43 in the last 5 months...

...must be Wiggo & you hogging them all :)

Weird. I've got 58 in the past hour alone.
2394) Message boards : Number crunching : Welcome to the 15 year Club (Message 1570599)
Posted 11 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Forgot my 15 years anniversary... Almost month ago...

Forgot to get the T-shirt... damn...

You might still be able to get a shirt if you would like. According to the It is official! 15th Seti Anni Shirts are a go. there are "49 awaiting homes. Sizes M to XXL available."
2395) Message boards : Number crunching : Problems with UBUNTU 14.04 (Message 1570515)
Posted 11 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Nope, The drive didn't even show.
Also I just got My RMAed EVGA card back and they upgraded Me to a GTX 660 which is good I hope.
Also when I put an ATI HD 4770 in that box *The WIN 7 32 bit it trashed every GPU WU* that it tried to do. So I ran lunatics V42 installer again and stopped running All GPU WUs. Odd because both of My HD 4770s worked fine on this box ID: 7258562. Now I'm scared to put the other HD 4770 in My Dell Dual core box...CRAP!

Did all of the tasks on the 4770 end with this?
Error : Building Program (source, clBuildProgram):main kernels: not OK code -11
Error: Requested compile size is bigger than the required workgroup size of 64 elements
Error: Creating kernel GPU_fetch_array_kernel_twin_1D_cl failed!
2396) Message boards : Number crunching : Welcome to the 15 year Club (Message 1570493)
Posted 11 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Welp that is officially 15 years in the bag today. I even wore my t-shirt to work today.
2397) Message boards : Number crunching : After 7.2.42 - what about not running unfinished jobs!? (Message 1570206)
Posted 11 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
It is normal behavior for BOINC to report work when it requests more work. Perhaps your system is just requesting work more often?
There is an option for the cc_config.xml to set report_results_immediately. If you want BOINC to specifically report every job once complete even when not requesting new work.
2398) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (89) Server Problems? (Message 1570194)
Posted 11 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I don't know what's consuming the bandwidth, but those 30 and 31 tapes are being split!

Well, so much for that. New tapes were loaded and it looks like the ones that were in the process of being split got interrupted in favor of the newly-loaded tapes.

The vigil for the 31xx13 tapes continues...

Also looks like the new AP tapes are at 0 errors thus far. Perhaps they found the issue.
2399) Message boards : Number crunching : Upgrade suggestions (Message 1570140)
Posted 10 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
First 750 Ti installed. Power consumption is way down, let's see if the rac climbs.

Looks like your processing times are down to ~15min from ~22min with your new card. That is with it only consuming around 60w to boot.
2400) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (89) Server Problems? (Message 1570099)
Posted 10 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
So if there are no APs, what's keeping both the green and the blue so high?

The large blue line before midnight looks like the normal transfer of data form the lab to the servers, for splitting. Then the increase in the green would be the processed data back to the lab.
At 00:00 it looks like the data from the lab to the servers was shunted down to a 100Mb transfer rate. This may be an indication of some network error, or on purpose by the IT staff.
2401) Message boards : Number crunching : total stars in "shooting distance range" AP vs MB (Message 1570098)
Posted 10 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Ok, thanks.
I should have said "maybe we are alone in our galaxy".

What are spikes and triplets? It's been many years ago since I was familiar with those terms?

This may be helpful.
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/sah_glossary.php
2402) Message boards : Number crunching : total stars in "shooting distance range" AP vs MB (Message 1569979)
Posted 10 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Joe, what I was responding to was Hal's possible meaning that it was preferable to remain within our sparsely populated part of the galaxy and thereby not needing the long distance power of AP (the short term pulses that you are talking about). I was using MB narrowband meaning narrow in frequency not shorter/narrower in duration. Unless I am getting things all jumbled up which could be the case.

If we take the width of Hal's image as 100000 light years, the outer circle surrounding our position appears to have a diameter just slightly less than 5000 light years by my rough measurements on the displayed image. Expecting our searches to detect anything near that 2500 light year radius requires that the transmitter be more powerful than a civilization at our stage of development could support. Assuming e.t. has the same kind of budgetary constraints we do, but nevertheless has good reason to send out signals with maximum reach, pulses seem more likely to me if they can serve whatever reason the system was built.

The question of motivation of course will remain unanswered until (and probably after) we actually detect some signal which is clearly sent by a technical civilization.
                                                                  Joe

I think the main point I was trying to make was that out of the 300 billion or so starts in our galaxy only a fraction of them are likely to have life. I have not heard any number quoted, but if the galactic habitual zone is true then is looks like probably less than 1/3 of the stars.
Last I heard they were thinking there are about 3 billion potential habitual planets.
2403) Message boards : Number crunching : combo 4650 and 6570? (Message 1569969)
Posted 10 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Also the disk array that holds the data to be split is limited. That is why when we look at the bandwidth graph there are large inbound and outbound surges. This is data being moved to the servers to be split & then once we have processed and reported it moved back to the lab.
2404) Message boards : Number crunching : don't need (Message 1569968)
Posted 10 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Claggy,

That is super clarification for me.
Now some of it all makes more sense to me.

All I have to do now is not to forget anything and
have to ask the same questions over again. But that's
an old problem of mine.

Well luckily it is all written down in the event you forget. :)
I normally make links to things that I would have to frequently look up.
2405) Message boards : Number crunching : don't need (Message 1569669)
Posted 9 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Claggy,
So far all I have heard is 7.0.64 if you use lunatics.

7.2.42 runs with lunatics .42?

BOINC is independent of the science apps. Other than a few changes in how BOINC records some things before v7.x there shouldn't be any issues using, or switching between, any version of BOINC.
2406) Message boards : Number crunching : Paul Allen radio telescopes in CA (Message 1569597)
Posted 9 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hal,

Yes, I forgot all about the Institute. I just spent 5 minutes reading about it and the allen array and how nasa cut their budget a few years back. Do you think they would let Seti@home get a copy of their data from the allen array or is their competition and turfbattle questions involved. Maybe take a guess because I haven't kept up with the news on all of that.

What is the status on Green Bank? Seems like that possibility goes back years, unless my memory is poor. Which it is in any event.

I think this is the most recent news about getting Green Bank up and going.
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=74362

Other scientific projects may not be recording data this is useful to SETI@home. I would imagine that sharing the data between projects would only be a logistical issue. Given the large volume of data that can be generated so quickly.
2407) Message boards : Number crunching : Paul Allen radio telescopes in CA (Message 1569539)
Posted 9 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have not heard anything about getting data from the Allen Telescope Array that the SETI Institute is working on. However the Green Bank Telescope is the planned second source of data for SETI@home.

The SETI Institute & SETI@home are not associated with one another.
2408) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (89) Server Problems? (Message 1569535)
Posted 9 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
WOW!

3 AP top ups in a week, my CPU cores are very happy.

Cheers.

I like it to, But I think they are just testing the splitter code. Once they get either none are very few errors on tapes it back to feast or famine time:)

I really think that those displayed errors were just false 1's as I've had no problems with any of the work coming from them. ;-)

Cheers.

Logically if there were errors detected during splitting it wouldn't send out the data with errors.
When there is a splitter having errors not detected then we see issues running work.
2409) Message boards : Number crunching : total stars in "shooting distance range" AP vs MB (Message 1569534)
Posted 9 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:


our solar system marked in an area between two of these areas.



That does look like we're far out in the uncharted backwaters of the unfashionable end of the western spiral arm of the galaxy.

I like to think of it as between Tornado & Hurricane Alley.
2410) Message boards : Number crunching : combo 4650 and 6570? (Message 1569532)
Posted 9 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
From the Old Driver Bin; Previous AMD Catalystâ„¢ Display Drivers
Or; http://support.amd.com/en-us/download/desktop/previous/detail?os=Windows%207%20-%2064&rev=12.4 Note that is the 64 bit version. The ONLY way I could get the 32 bit version was to change the address to http://support.amd.com/en-us/download/desktop/previous/detail?os=Windows%207%20-%2032&rev=12.4 ...stupid AMD Links...Oh wait, it looks like they fixed it since last week. Maybe my Nastygram worked.

You DO NOT want to use the latest Lunatics Installer for the ATI 4650. You DO want to use the Alternate Installer Richard created, Lunatics v0.42a

Also if you need a quick link to the windows drivers and direct download links I maintain a drivers list. I keep a link to it in my profile as well.
2411) Message boards : Number crunching : total stars in "shooting distance range" AP vs MB (Message 1569325)
Posted 8 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Joe,
But 1% would still be nearly 3 billion suns. To me that is an awfully large sample of stars. If it's not in there we may be alone.

--edit--
Thanks again for the reference. I gotta hang on 'til 2020! :-)

There is an theory of a galactic habitable zone. Where stars are less dense in the galaxy and not blurting out radiation that would be harmful to life. Making the number of stars much smaller that may contain planets with life.
With that theory they created a map of the Milky Way galaxy. http://www.hal6000.com/seti/images/yah.png With the red areas denoting potentially to high of levels of radiation for life to be present & our solar system marked in an area between two of these areas.

Another theory is that those stars could have planets with life if the planet were to have a much stronger magnetic field. However that might make it harder to detect intelligent signals from such planets.

If we don't look we won't know.
2412) Message boards : Number crunching : 269 pending - what will happen?? (Message 1568919)
Posted 7 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Sometimes you will also find you get a task suck in pending, like this example, forever. At least until they do a cleanup of the db. Which happens less often than a blue moon.
2413) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (89) Server Problems? (Message 1568916)
Posted 7 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
OMG, 31mr08ag has been started. :-O

We may finally get to see the last of those old files yet.

Cheers.

Sadly that one was just added in the past week.
2414) Message boards : Number crunching : add another radeon hd 7770? (Message 1568825)
Posted 7 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
If the average processing rate is 32 GFLOPS for CPU and 180 GFLOPS for GPU, is this useful or just lazy analysis?

The APR for my HD6870 is about 4.5 times that of the i5-4670k CPU, but the HD6870 runs a tasks in ~34min vs ~3.5hrs for the CPU. So the GPU is closer to 7 times faster than the CPU.


If you just want to know if a GPU is faster than a CPU thread. That is much easier.
In most cases it is pretty safe to assume a GPU will be faster than a single CPU thread or sometimes several CPU threads. There could be a rare case of a really new CPU paired with an old GPU where it would be the other way around, but your GPUs are at least 3 or 4 generations newer than the CPU you are using.

There are some users that run GPU only and the CPU is just used to feeds there giant array of GPUs.
2415) Message boards : Number crunching : add another radeon hd 7770? (Message 1568671)
Posted 7 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Unfortunately there is not. There is the Top GPU list but that is only a comparison of GPUs with the stock apps. Also do to the way BOINC looks up the GPU model for ATI cards & lumps them together it is somewhat misleading.

Basically to find out you would have to run CPU only & then add the one GPU. Or you could run only the one GPU. The problem with this method is that if you return work faster than it is validated then your numbers will come out a bit low.
You can tell if this is happen by looking at the counts on your machine. Something like Validation pending (141) Validation inconclusive (11) Valid (50) shows faster processing than the tasks are validated.

What I preferred to do was record the processing times for the tasks done by the card. Making sure only to collect data for normal AR , or 0% blanked for AP, tasks and then do an average for the times. Once you have the average time you do calculate things like #tasks per day or tasks per hour. I like tasks per day. Then multiply that with average credit for a task type.
On my HD6870 tasks averaged ~34 minutes or .57 hours. Since it runs 24 hours a day I divided 24 by .57 to get 42.1 tasks per day. Then assuming an average credit of 650 credit for AP I came up with an estimated RAC of ~27,000. The difference between when I was using CPU only to when I added the GPU is about 20,000 & there are more tasks pending than valid. So I think it seems fairly accurate.
2416) Message boards : Number crunching : multiple starts and restarts and f2 into bios -- computation errors (Message 1568459)
Posted 6 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Sometimes Windows can be less than graceful when stopping BOINC & the science apps during a reboot or system shutdown. I have seen thins on versions of Windows from XP to 8.2 & Server versions.
If you have a system where this happens often when restarting just manually shutdown BOINC before you restart.
2417) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (89) Server Problems? (Message 1568433)
Posted 6 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
AP spliting still producing a lot of error channels.

Each channel should produce something like 400-450 AP. When it sets "channel finished with errors" that might just be 1 AP had an error being generated rather than the whole channel being unusable.
Every time I look at the server status 50-60% of the channels are flagged with error, but a lot more work is going out than if those channels generated no work. It is hard to determine the exact number of error tasks, but it does look to be a small percentage based on the other db information.

It's still odd, as usually there are only one or 2 channels at most that end in error. When you see 6 channels done, 6 ended in error it's not a good sign.
Even more so when there have been no MB channels split ending in error (that I've noticed) in the same period of time.

I don't recall exactly, but didn't this start after the new MB splitters were added? That might be the i/o issue I seem to recall being mentioned at one point & why 2 of the MB splitter were always not used.
2418) Message boards : Number crunching : All of a sudden: Errors on APs (Message 1568427)
Posted 6 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Or you could download and run the v0.42a installer from the link in my message 1560695

That is the one I downloaded. I made sure to use the app for the 200 series of Nvidea cards.

Well as my APs were self destructing and I dont have more than 35 APs left on this host. I will try most anything.
Now downloading the r_2667 and then changing the name of the app in the app_info.xml file sounds daunting. But how many times is that r-2667 named in that file? Or do I need to scan the whole file changing the app names?
Id like to try what ever works.


I guess 6 times.
3 sections 2 times each. IIRC

I think it might be 7. With .exe also declared at the beginning in <file_info> just after <app> & then 6 more under each <app_version> like you said.
2419) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (89) Server Problems? (Message 1568350)
Posted 6 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
AP spliting still producing a lot of error channels.

Each channel should produce something like 400-450 AP. When it sets "channel finished with errors" that might just be 1 AP had an error being generated rather than the whole channel being unusable.
Every time I look at the server status 50-60% of the channels are flagged with error, but a lot more work is going out than if those channels generated no work. It is hard to determine the exact number of error tasks, but it does look to be a small percentage based on the other db information.
2420) Message boards : Number crunching : Lunatics Windows Installer v0.42 Release Notes (Message 1568342)
Posted 6 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Noticed I had an invalid CPU task 1567544761 on my host 7324426 with the new AP app . I saved the full Stderr output from all 3 results for when this vanishes, but can't figure out the fanout for AP tasks to save the work itself. Looks like the way to calculate that is different from MB?

The principle is the same. I've published the tool we use to generate the fanout url - an Excel spreadsheet, but it's been tested to work under OpenOffice and LibreOffice too. It generates urls for either MB or AP, Main or Beta.

http://lunatics.kwsn.net/index.php?module=Downloads;sa=dlview;id=415

AP WU files tend to be deleted very quickly after validation - if it's not there, it's not there.

I was using the fanout url tool but it was ~3AM and I was not sure. Seems it was gone already.

Probably just a fluke or that machine being a dunce. Given the volume of valid work.
2421) Message boards : Number crunching : Lunatics Windows Installer v0.42 Release Notes (Message 1568131)
Posted 6 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Noticed I had an invalid CPU task 1567544761 on my host 7324426 with the new AP app . I saved the full Stderr output from all 3 results for when this vanishes, but can't figure out the fanout for AP tasks to save the work itself. Looks like the way to calculate that is different from MB?

Looks like my system found a repetitive pulse but the NV & ATI GPUs did not. It could just be a fluke or such. Just the first invalid CPU task I have seen on a long while and figured it might be noteworthy.

Here is what I think is pertinent & links to the output I saved for analysis.

Task ID: 3681602891
AstroPulse v6 Anonymous platform (NVIDIA GPU)
AstroPulse v6 Windows x86 rev 2399

    single pulses: 2
repetitive pulses: 0
  percent blanked: 3.18
Single pulse: peak_power=38.13 dm=5946 fft_num=29147136 peak_bin=29154000 scale=2
Single pulse: peak_power=130 dm=9335 fft_num=17809408 peak_bin=17820800 scale=6

Task ID: 3681602892
AstroPulse v6 Anonymous platform (CPU)
AstroPulse v6 Windows x64 rev 2163

    single pulses: 2
repetitive pulses: 1
  percent blanked: 3.18
Single pulse: peak_power=38.13 dm=5946 fft_num=29147136 peak_bin=29154000 scale=2
Single pulse: peak_power=130 dm=9335 fft_num=17809408 peak_bin=17820800 scale=6
Rep. pulse: peak_power=9469 dm=-9776 peak_bin=1280 scale=4 ffa_scale=1 period=236.14

Task ID: 3719572871
AstroPulse v6 v6.06 (opencl_ati_100)
Windows x86 rev 1832

    single pulses: 2
repetitive pulses: 0
  percent blanked: 3.18
Single pulse: peak_power=38.13; dm=5946; scale=2
Single pulse: peak_power=130; dm=9335; scale=6
2422) Message boards : Number crunching : chipsets (Message 1567808)
Posted 5 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hi Hal, actually chipset does matter, the new x99 chipset supports ddr4 which is 288 pin vs the 240 pin ddr3. The dimm modules are not interchangeable.

Robert

I think this diagram might help you out.
As I stated previously. The memory controller is in the CPU. In theory this means they could upgrade the memory controller in a newer version CPU for the same board to run faster parts, of the same generations memory, as they become available.
If the x99 chipset were compatible with previous generation CPUs you could have boards with the x99 chipset & DDR3 memory.
2423) Message boards : Number crunching : It is official! 15th Seti Anni Shirts are a go. (Message 1567663)
Posted 5 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The BOINCstats map does not even list Antarctica. Given it contains no countries or territories (by international agreement) it wouldn't really belong in that chart.
There may not be much in the way of spare electricity to run SETI@home in Antarctica, but it would we a cool place to have some systems running.

The countries in Africa have a fair number of crunchers.
2424) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (89) Server Problems? (Message 1567600)
Posted 5 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

As far as I am aware no one in the lab does or has ever read these boards.

Time to time reading these boards I envy those who don't :P

We know from experience that Eric does sometimes read these boards, most often due to Mark or Fichard or Joe bringing an issue to his attention.

What some folks keep forgetting is that there sre only about 6 people attached to Seti@Home, and NONE of them are full-time. ALL have other duties and projects at the lab. I read these boards daily, but only the threads that pertain to my interests and computer capabilities (none of my crunchers has a GPU, so that eliminates a LOT of threads). To read ALL the threads here in Number Crunching would take hours - almost a full-time job in itself.

Be glad we DO have these forums, and that paid staff DO respond to our concerns and suggestions. And that Joe and Richard and Jason and all the others who have been here awhile are willing to share their knowledge and help solve problems.

BOINC by design is meant to be low maintenance. So having staff read everything all the time looking for issues would go against that idea. I would imagine they use some level of monitoring to send them an alert when something on the server sides goes completely sideways, but having alerts for issues that are more odd would probably be difficult. Like the recent BOINC versions before x not getting work.
I think the forums are mostly means as self/community help. With many of the issues being able to be solved by others users.

The BOINC devs have the Alpha list that people can join if they wish to contribute more directly or to report bugs.
2425) Message boards : Number crunching : chipsets (Message 1567544)
Posted 5 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hi All, has anybody any thoughts on the last four chipsets from Intel - 79, 87, 97 and 99?

I was about to buy a new cpu & motherboard and then the Friday intro of the new cpu's & x99 chipset stopped me.

My initial thoughts are about memory function and cost on ddr4 vs ddr3.

It goes without saying that the new cpu lineup will rock.

My major issue is that boards with 8 dimm slots and chipset 87 & 97 are rare and there are several x79 8 dimm slot boards. It seems the x99 boards are 8 dimm slot devices.

I should explain, I have been buying parts for a new pc for a few months - I have 32gb of ddr3 - I would hate to have to replace the ddr3 with the ddr4. I have already spent 400.00 on mem, if I have to spend 640.00 to replace it, this is not good.


So the basic question is - What chipset should I go with

Well these days the chipset has absolutely nothing to do with memory. The memory controller is in the CPU & Intel likes to support 2 DIMMs per memory channel in most cases.
I guess they reason you are mentioning 8 DIMM slots is that you have bought 8 - 4GB DIMMs to make 32GB?

I haven't seen any benchmarks that would make me want to dive into the -E series of processors. The added i/o would be nice if I was using a multi GPU setup for gaming. However the differences between running x16/x8/x8 vs x8/x8/x4 is often only a few FPS with high settings.
The added cores can go either was depending on what you are doing. With the i7-4930K 6c/12t at 3.4GHz vs a i7-4790K 4c/8t at 4.0GHz the extra 600MHz of the 4790 can give better performance dependent on the workload.
2426) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (89) Server Problems? (Message 1567268)
Posted 4 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
No APs are being split, that run didn't last very long.

I imagine they loaded less data to see how the splitting would go. Possibly trying to work out the issue with the errors while splitting.
2427) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (89) Server Problems? (Message 1567203)
Posted 4 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Well there's a whole pile of low-numbered tapes now. So the candlelight vigil continues...

Alas poor 31mr08ag. I imagine it will be there for quite a long time as well.
2428) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (89) Server Problems? (Message 1567190)
Posted 4 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
We might have a solution:
There was a bug in the new server code that prevented it from sending jobs to pre-6.7 clients. I checked in a fix (4 lines in sched/sched_types.h). Jeff, can you deploy this in beta and public?
Thanks -- David
Could those affected keep an eye on this, and let us know what transpires - pro or anti? Thanks.

Will do. So far there's no change, but I don't know when it will be deployed.

Eric built the new scheduler and it's been deployed on here and at beta. So try again, with 6.2.19 or whichever old 5.xx/6.xx version you want.

I do find it odd that the issue they found should effect versions before 6.7.x but 6.6.33 worked. The exact version isn't really the issue.
6.2.19 does indeed get work upon request now.
2429) Message boards : Number crunching : Lunatics Windows Installer v0.42 Release Notes (Message 1567047)
Posted 4 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I finally installed 0.42 on my MB/GPU-only box. Hard to say if it's running any faster or better than before, but I don't see any problems with it.

The Nvidia MB app, Lunatics_x41zc_win32_cudaNN.exe, is the same as in v0.41 installer. So I would expect the performance will be exactly the same as before for that machine. Unless you switched to a differing CUDA version app as there are 4 to choose.
Lunatics_x41zc_win32_cuda23.exe
Lunatics_x41zc_win32_cuda32.exe
Lunatics_x41zc_win32_cuda42.exe
Lunatics_x41zc_win32_cuda50.exe
2430) Message boards : Number crunching : Show and tell your machine. Here's mine. (Message 1566983)
Posted 4 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
As for running Intel chips and Nvidia cards. I believe its what you have installed, That could make a differance. On my I7 920 host with a GTX 250 I did not see much differance running HT on or off. That was with running stock MB only though.
Im now running the new lunatics app on that and my older I7 3770 with a GTS 550 Ti. I think when the new AP V7 comes out, I might try a doing HT On and OFF both of those to see what happens.
I realize that the GTX 250 is way old and the GTS 550 Ti is now long in the tooth. But A lot of folks still run them.

The advantages/disadvantages of HT are probably down to the generation of hardware. I think newer hardware probably show more usefulness than previous generations. Such as my i7-860 producing 28% gain in output with 11% more power consumption while doing MB work. Where your i7-920 only showed 10% gain in output with HT on for MB work.


The i7-860 and i7-920 are the same generation CPU; they are both first gen Core i products. Second generation prefixed a 2 in front of the model, such as Core i7-2600.

They are both first gen but a bit different from one another. Bloomfield vs Lynnfield. To me it would be a bit like comparing an i7-4820K with an i7-4770K because they are both 4th generation i7's.
2431) Message boards : Number crunching : Probably nothing but... weird spike in the screensaver (Message 1566963)
Posted 4 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Spikes and pulses are pretty common while analyzing the data. There are also signals recorded terrestrial satellites sometimes. I think most of those are filtered out before we see them, but they may not all be.

If the screen saver works like it did 15 years ago on classic. You are not going to see a signal from ET on the screen saver output.
2432) Message boards : Number crunching : Show and tell your machine. Here's mine. (Message 1566961)
Posted 4 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
As for running Intel chips and Nvidia cards. I believe its what you have installed, That could make a differance. On my I7 920 host with a GTX 250 I did not see much differance running HT on or off. That was with running stock MB only though.
Im now running the new lunatics app on that and my older I7 3770 with a GTS 550 Ti. I think when the new AP V7 comes out, I might try a doing HT On and OFF both of those to see what happens.
I realize that the GTX 250 is way old and the GTS 550 Ti is now long in the tooth. But A lot of folks still run them.

The advantages/disadvantages of HT are probably down to the generation of hardware. I think newer hardware probably show more usefulness than previous generations. Such as my i7-860 producing 28% gain in output with 11% more power consumption while doing MB work. Where your i7-920 only showed 10% gain in output with HT on for MB work.
2433) Message boards : Number crunching : RAC Dropping??? (Message 1566959)
Posted 4 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I crunch MB only, and after 6 weeks of falling RAC, there has finally been a slight bump. Most likely just a dead cat bounce, before it continues falling.

That is odd. My MB only machines have been rising over that period and are now at their highest RAC they have seen in the past year. Like on my host 6727898. I figured it was due to tasks being more quickly validated with the data centers pumping out a large percentage of work.
2434) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (89) Server Problems? (Message 1566765)
Posted 4 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Has anyone noticed the server is sending out CPU tasks even if your GPUs don't have any work? All 3 of my Hosts are receiving CPU work even though they are not needed. I have a Mac whose 3 GPUs are going idle while the server sends it CPU work. If I change the preferences to GPU only, the server doesn't send any work :-(

On my HTPC I am getting.
SETI@home Tasks for AMD/ATI GPU are available, but your preferences are set to not accept them
SETI@home This computer has reached a limit on tasks in progress

Despite the fact it is in the only venue that allows ATI work. It has 7 GPU & 89 CPU tasks.
I figure they might still be playing around with the schedule stuff.
2435) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (89) Server Problems? (Message 1566759)
Posted 4 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
We might have a solution:
There was a bug in the new server code that prevented it from sending jobs to pre-6.7 clients. I checked in a fix (4 lines in sched/sched_types.h). Jeff, can you deploy this in beta and public?
Thanks -- David
Could those affected keep an eye on this, and let us know what transpires - pro or anti? Thanks.

Will do. So far there's no change, but I don't know when it will be deployed.




And AP work is being split once again.

More importantly.. two low-numbered tapes got loaded and 29no13aa that WAS being split some more got interrupted and the splitters appear to have jumped to the new tapes. So far, just two tapes got loaded.

Yeah at the rate it is going 29no13aa will be done sometime in November,

So far 1 AP channel ended in error. Which is much better than the last set of data. They might be loading in less at a time now to see how the AP splitters handle it, or it could be a different reason all together.
2436) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (89) Server Problems? (Message 1566739)
Posted 4 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
And AP work is being split once again.
2437) Message boards : Number crunching : NVIDIA Jetson TK1 (Message 1566706)
Posted 3 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Yes, 7 on the i7. So it looks like the TK1 isn't quite the supercomputer they're saying it is - but still a neat unit though.

It has a really good GPU, for an arm processor. The Nvidia Shield Tablet, which uses this same SOC, is not that much more than a Google Nexus 7 & has a lot better GPU. So that is another option for those looking at this hardware.
http://shield.nvidia.com/gaming-tablet/
or
http://shield.nvidia.co.uk/gaming-tablet/
2438) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (89) Server Problems? (Message 1566666)
Posted 3 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Now for a change of pace.. it looks like the candlelight vigil for the 30 and 31 tapes might come to an end soon. I wonder if that is deliberate. At least one or two of those tapes will get split up, maybe not all of them, but.. there is hope for them after all!

I've been watching that all morning....wondering what will start splitting next or if AP will jump in again before the splitters get there.

When I looked this morning we were at ~130 channels to do. Now 6 hours later we are at 116. If that is a consistent rate we have about 2 more days before those are done.

And it looks like 29no13aa has been resumed. There's hope.. let's see how many of those 30 and 31 tapes can get started before more tapes get loaded.

There is another spike on the inbound data transfer. So they might be loading up a second round of data sets. I think last time they did that we had a ton of them to go through.
Hopefully we can manage to burn off some of the high numbered sets before the new data gets loaded in for splitting.
2439) Message boards : Number crunching : NVIDIA Jetson TK1 (Message 1566648)
Posted 3 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I'm not sure whether to trust the GFLOPS figures quoted on our rigs but just looking at 17 tasks for the TK1 today compares pretty favourably with the 37 done by my i7 if you compare 14 W vs 70 W.

The NVIDIA GK20A on the TK1 lists
Average processing rate 15.82 GFLOPS
An old NVIDIA 8500 GT I have overclocked lists
Average processing rate 15.12 GFLOPS

The GK20A is a bit faster than my 8500. Given that I think the app GFLOPS listed seem to work for comparison sake at least.

I think the 14W listed is for the whole SOC. So just the GPU running should be a lower value. Maybe 7-8W?. Looking at the tasks on your i7 they take ~2 hours for a normal AR vs 2.5-2.75 hours on that GPU. However you are probably running 4-7 in parallel on your 70w CPU? So the PPW could be somewhat close.
2440) Message boards : Number crunching : NVIDIA Jetson TK1 (Message 1566604)
Posted 3 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
14 W for 300 GFLOP/s sounds amazingly efficient. Would this work? A review of the board is here:
http://www.itpro.co.uk/desktop-hardware/22731/nvidia-jetson-tk1-review

Here is one actually running.
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/show_host_detail.php?hostid=7354060
As I recall they had to compile the app for the hardware & there was quite a bit of effort to get it producing valid results.

For the money I am sticking with Bay Trail-D. The ASRock Q1900-ITX I bought recently only cost around $80 US, or about £50 GB (with VAT I imagine more), & looks to be running around 3200-3500 for RAC. My system total is around 25w, but once optimized I am hoping to get closer to 15w at full load.
2441) Message boards : Number crunching : @NVidia-developers: Low background GPU load RISES crunching throughput significantly (Message 1566589)
Posted 3 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Really elegant way would be to add such ability to app_config.xml and not to relay on science apps.
app_config already can pass cmdline to app. All it needs is to distinguish compute devices it governs.

Within <app> or <app_version> add something like where N would be the device ID.
<ati_dev>N</ati_dev>
<cuda_dev>N</cuda_dev>
<intel_dev>N</intel_dev>
Then each card could have completely separate configuration.
Maybe they can squeak that in for 7.4.x
2442) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (89) Server Problems? (Message 1566559)
Posted 3 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Now for a change of pace.. it looks like the candlelight vigil for the 30 and 31 tapes might come to an end soon. I wonder if that is deliberate. At least one or two of those tapes will get split up, maybe not all of them, but.. there is hope for them after all!

I've been watching that all morning....wondering what will start splitting next or if AP will jump in again before the splitters get there.

When I looked this morning we were at ~130 channels to do. Now 6 hours later we are at 116. If that is a consistent rate we have about 2 more days before those are done.
2443) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (89) Server Problems? (Message 1566556)
Posted 3 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
In all of my venues, I have the three GPU types unchecked. Neither of my rigs have usable GPUs anyway.

I didn't change anything on my end, and the only difference I see now is server version changed from 703 to 705. My other host has gotten work since after the change to 705.

I did some testing on one of my machines with two old versions.
6.2.19 - Requested work & was not given any. Just as you are seeing.
6.6.33 - Requested work & was given work.

So you are not crazy, well not completely at least... The server code changes have borked you. Defiantly time to bring it to the attention of the BOINC devs, or switch to a version < 6 years old.

I was a bit bored today so I gave some other versions a try.
6.4.5 - Requested work & was not given any.
6.6.0 - Requested work & was not given any.

Looks like there is a specific build of 6.6.x that is the dividing live between working and not. The 6.6.0 version is listed a a development build, but I wanted to try it anyway. To see if all 6.6.x build worked.

IIRC wasn't GPU processing support added in a 6.6.x build? Given they were messing around with the GPU scheduling bits of the server code perhaps the first version to support GPUs will get work when requested.
2444) Message boards : Number crunching : Android HTPC Question (Message 1566466)
Posted 3 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
It would really depend on the processor they fit them with. I was looking at android based HTPC things recently and most of them are lacking in crunching horsepower. I am kind of hoping that the 64-bit ARM SOCs may have more desktop/media center worthy hardware.

If someone would build a box using the Intel Bay Trail-D hardware with Android that would be more than sufficient hardware to do both at the same time.
2445) Message boards : Number crunching : RAC Dropping??? (Message 1566463)
Posted 3 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Was thinking that it was just my luck in drawing certain types of work, but was surprised about the drop, which continues today.

I crunch 24x7.

From your initially stated RAC value it has only changed about 8%. Between the variable work, wing mate reporting(or lack there of), & the random number generator CreditNew having RAC fluctuate 30% is pretty normal.
2446) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (89) Server Problems? (Message 1566331)
Posted 3 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
In all of my venues, I have the three GPU types unchecked. Neither of my rigs have usable GPUs anyway.

I didn't change anything on my end, and the only difference I see now is server version changed from 703 to 705. My other host has gotten work since after the change to 705.

I did some testing on one of my machines with two old versions.
6.2.19 - Requested work & was not given any. Just as you are seeing.
6.6.33 - Requested work & was given work.

So you are not crazy, well not completely at least... The server code changes have borked you. Defiantly time to bring it to the attention of the BOINC devs, or switch to a version < 6 years old.
2447) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (89) Server Problems? (Message 1566211)
Posted 2 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Did you try a project reset yet? I seem to recall I had issues with some clients in the past not downloading work and I had to kick them really hard to get them to resume.

Tried a reset, and added some more debugging flags to cc_config:

I'm asking for work, I don't see anything wrong on my end.. it looks like the server just isn't sending me anything. I do notice that server version is 705 now. It's been 703 for a while up until recently, it seems. So.. I guess the change broke something..? I don't know.


I don't see anything related on the BOINC forum Questions and problems section. Perhaps you could ask and see if anything pops up.
Also trying to connect to another project and seeing if it will send you work might be a good test. If you hit a project with 703 and get work that does add more evidence that they broke something, or unceremoniously pulled the carpet out on old versions of BOINC. The latter I wouldn't suspect.
2448) Message boards : Number crunching : Odd re-occuring issue with Android device (Message 1566207)
Posted 2 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have as much of the KNOX disabled as I can without rooting my phone.
2449) Message boards : Number crunching : Division of labor (Message 1566154)
Posted 2 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
You could also try the resource share in your account page and look at the Seti@home prfeferrances. When I was doing two Boinc projects I set seti at 900 and the other at 100. You can try various ratios to find the sweet spot that you like. IE such as maybe 800 to 200. I just run Seti@home unless they go down and no work is availible for a few days. I just set NNT on the other prjects unless I need to use them. You could also do that, Set NNT for that other project run a few days of Seti then set NNT run the cache down. And let your other project run for a bit. But that is a pain.


I started this regime of S@H when I got this new computer. It replaced an old Dell which was REALLY slow. The average S@H work done with this much faster machine is only 1036, or 12% of the total. Meanwhile, Asteroids, which I added later, has an average work done of 7585, or 88% of the total.

I think it would be good to even out this disparity. Or not??
Steve Gaber
Oldsmar, FL

That other project gives 5-15 times the credit vs SETI@home.
Run time 	CPU time 	Credit 	Application
4,779.35 	4,718.69 	480.00 	Period Search Application v102.10 (sse2)
15,413.62 	15,172.47 	480.00 	Period Search Application v102.10 (sse2)
14,713.01 	41.04 	 	109.07 	SETI@home v7 v7.03 (opencl_ati_cat132)

So for an equal amount of processing time the other project will have a much higher RAC. If you want to have an even RAC between the two then you would have to give more time to SETI@home. Which provides an uninflated credit value.
2450) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (89) Server Problems? (Message 1566151)
Posted 2 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Looks like bad luck hitting an empty feeder on each request. How often does it ask for work?

It makes it up to a 3:59:59 delay once or twice a day, but generally, every 5:03. it has made.. 131 requests in the past 48 hours. Comes back empty every time.


I even just shut boinc down and went into the projects folder and moved the app_info and EXE/dll out of the folder and got rid of everything else, and then moved the needed stuff back. Checked the slots folder and it was empty. Checked the preferences both locally and online, and no change.

I just don't know. I guess I'll let it tend to itself for a few more days and see what happens.

[edit: and actually, I just thought about it, too.. I hold a ~3.5-day cache, and the last one was reported on the 29th, so that means I haven't gotten new tasks since the 26th.

Did you try a project reset yet? I seem to recall I had issues with some clients in the past not downloading work and I had to kick them really hard to get them to resume.
Also I think that might be around the same time they were messing around with the GPU limit handling section again. Perhaps they broke something for older clients?
2451) Message boards : Number crunching : Odd re-occuring issue with Android device (Message 1566148)
Posted 2 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have not had any of those issues on my Galaxy S4. I would guess you have the dual 4 core 1.6GHz + 1.2GHz variant? Mine is the single 4 core 1.9GHz LTE variant.
The only time I see "suspending network communication" is when I pause BOINC from the main screen using the Pause/Play button in the top right. Those also suspends processing of work. So I guess that isn't not the issue you are having.
2452) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (89) Server Problems? (Message 1566019)
Posted 2 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hm. Odd. My single core machine won't get work, for whatever reason. It finished its last WUs and reported them on the 29th, and hasn't gotten anything since. The past 48 hours of the message log shows this:

2014-09-01 22:25:14 SETI@home [sched_op_debug] Starting scheduler request
2014-09-01 22:25:14 SETI@home Sending scheduler request: To fetch work. Requesting 302400 seconds of work, reporting 0 completed tasks
2014-09-01 22:25:20 SETI@home Scheduler request succeeded: got 0 new tasks
2014-09-01 22:25:20 SETI@home [sched_ops_debug] Server version 705
2014-09-01 22:25:20 SETI@home Message from server: No tasks sent
2014-09-01 22:25:20 SETI@home Message from server: No tasks are available for SETI@home Enhanced
2014-09-01 22:25:20 SETI@home Message from server: No tasks are available for SETI@home v7
2014-09-01 22:25:20 SETI@home Message from server: No tasks are available for AstroPulse v6
2014-09-01 22:25:20 SETI@home Message from server: Tasks for NVIDIA GPU are available, but your preferences are set to not accept them
2014-09-01 22:25:20 SETI@home Message from server: Tasks for AMD/ATI GPU are available, but your preferences are set to not accept them
2014-09-01 22:25:20 SETI@home Project requested delay of 303.000000 seconds
2014-09-01 22:25:20 SETI@home [sched_op_debug] Deferring communication for 2 min 45 sec
2014-09-01 22:25:20 SETI@home [sched_op_debug] Reason: no work from project
2014-09-01 22:25:20 SETI@home [sched_op_debug] Deferring communication for 5 min 3 sec
2014-09-01 22:25:20 SETI@home [sched_op_debug] Reason: requested by project


Nothing changed on the system..it just quit getting work. I'm confused.

[edit: although I did just notice that the one valid task that is still in the list is showing 0 seconds for both run time and CPU time. I reboot it probably once a month or so, and I just did a few days ago, and again just now, and that didn't fix it. Hm. Anyone have ideas?]

Looks like bad luck hitting an empty feeder on each request. How often does it ask for work?
2453) Message boards : Number crunching : "Sticky" ATI card (Message 1565897)
Posted 1 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
. Did you install the AstroPulse App when you ran the Lunatics Installer?
If you installed the AP App, set you preferences for AstroPulse v6 only and by tomorrow your cache should be low enough to grab a few APs.


Not sure, but |I can re-run Lunatics. Won't dsetting prefs for v6 also affect the cpu tasks as well, I thought Version 6 was now defunct, or am I getting a tad confused? (not difficult)

P.

SETI@home, MB, is v7
Astropulse, AP, is v6

Disabling MB in your prefs will effect CPU & GPU. If you re-run the installer choosing only the AP app for the GPU then you can leave MB & AP set in your prefs. As the GPU will only have an AP app to use & will be download MB tasks.
2454) Message boards : Number crunching : "Sticky" ATI card (Message 1565722)
Posted 1 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Are you monitoring the GPU temps? It sounds like the card was/is overheating. Also are you using any command line options in the commandline.txt file?
2455) Message boards : Number crunching : Division of labor (Message 1565720)
Posted 1 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
BOINC uses a debt tracking system to maintain the resource share for each project over. So it may run one project exclusively for some time then switch to another. Over the long term it maintains the ratio, but short term it may seem like it is crazy.
If you have 2 projects on a 2 core processor system and want each project to use 1 core all the time. BOINC will not do that by default. You can use an app_config.xml to limit the number of tasks any project is allowed to run at one time. Then so long as both projects have work the system would always run 1 task form each project. However if one project ran out of work the limits would still keep the other project running 1 task instead of switching to 2.
2456) Message boards : Number crunching : Problems with PC. (Message 1565572)
Posted 1 Sep 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I use this on several Windows 7 machines, but think I used it on XP as well.

Not XP Home, I fear.

C:\test>ver

Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]

C:\test>timeout /?
'timeout' is not recognized as an internal or external command,
operable program or batch file.

The timeout.exe included in Server 2003 can be copied over to XP. It was also available in some older OS resource kits.
I think when I tired to copy the Windows 7 version to XP there was a compatibility error, but I don't recall at the moment. I don't have any XP boxes running at home.
2457) Message boards : Number crunching : combo 4650 and 6570? (Message 1565445)
Posted 31 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I reverted to using just the 6570. I was having too many problems trying to get it to work. Did you ever find it impossible to get into safe mode? And then in safe mode, which I have never worked with, although I can do command line OK, I really don't know how to proceed from there. Too many problems for me. I need to drop it. Thanks anyway for the help.

Safe mode is just windows with a bare set of drivers loaded.
For Windows 7 just pressing F8 and then choosing "Safe mode" or "Safe Mode with networking" is all that is needed for the driver uninstaller. Some machine boot very fast. In that case you may have to keep pressing F8 repeatedly until you get the selection screen is displayed. If you see the Windows 7 loading graphic you missed it.

As my notebook has a rather low powered GPU I have to suspend GPU processing while watching a movie. The BOINC option for "snooze GPU" only suspending processing for 1 hour. Using boinccmd from a command line lets you specify any amount of time you wish to suspend processing. So for that system I made a .bat file to suspend processing for 2.5 hours & then have a shortcut to it on the taskbar. Using "boinccmd --set_gpu_mode never 9000" causes the GPU processing to spend for the given number of seconds & then resume its previous state.

Also if there is a specific application you run that you would need to suspend GPU processing you can tell BOINC, via <exclusive_gpu_app>important.exe</exclusive_gpu_app> in the cc_config.xml, the exe name. Then while the exe is running BOINC will suspend GPU processing. BOINC will resume GPU processing once the application has been closed. There is a slight delay for BOINC to do this. As it only checks every few seconds, instead of milliseconds, for the running apps.
2458) Message boards : Number crunching : GPU task limits (Message 1565434)
Posted 31 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
FYI: I first noticed a change in #WUs sent me around May 12; the change was going from a total of 100 WU for GPU computing to 100/GPU (I use dual NV GPUs on my 2 crunchers).

I guess you missed the thread "Did the work unit limit change?" & the other places it was mentioned back then?
2459) Message boards : Number crunching : SETI@Home Wow!-Event 2014 (Message 1565275)
Posted 31 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I think he had every right to participate in WOW. Just as he has every right to participate in Seti.
It was only unfair when at the onset, all individuals with no team affiliation were lumped into a team named 'no team'. That was not fair, and when brought up the WOW admins, they disbanded 'no team'.
So at that point Mr. Long was participating as an individual. An individual who either owns or has access to some large datacenter server clusters. He who has the most toys wins.

Now personally, I could go the sour grapes route, because he took away from me a chance to rise to the #2 Seti user based on all time credits. Which was a goal of mine. But, so be it, I'm not real miffed about it.

In the meantime, as long as he chooses to keep it up, Mr. Long is contributing a great deal of crunching power to the Seti project.

And for that I have to respect him.

Meow.

The "No Team" team still exists. It was just removed from the ranking.

It was mentioned from one of the admins that perhaps next year there could be some kind of separate group for such users & to submit any ideas via their site. Perhaps some sort of tiered grouping could be thought up. Like in an open track day auto race. Everyone is on the track at the same time, but you are really only competing with others in your class. How to decide on such groupings would be the real question.
2460) Message boards : Number crunching : Show and tell your machine. Here's mine. (Message 1565269)
Posted 31 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
... I turned hyperthreading off to see what the difference might amount to.

Let us know for what you find for the 'hyperthreading'.

For my own applications, I've been very underwhelmed with the throughput and I'm left wondering if the whole idea is a x2 Marketing ploy for a meagre x1.1 performance...

Happy fast crunchin',
Martin

When Intel first released HT I think their statement was something along the lines of 15-20% gains could be expected from the use of HT.
2461) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (89) Server Problems? (Message 1565267)
Posted 31 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Well at least the MB splitters havn't been throwing up errors on those files like the AP 1's did.

Over 50 MultiBeam channels done & still no errors.
Looks like it was the AP splitter(s) having issues, not the data.

A large volume of the AP work from those data sets I am seeing end in 30/30 early exits.
2462) Message boards : Number crunching : Running Stock Experiment (Message 1565156)
Posted 30 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
AP will be updated to a new version sometime in the near future. So stock AP v7 & initial Lunatics apps will be nearly the same. There may not be enough time to run this same test for AP v6 before AP v7 is released.
2463) Message boards : Number crunching : blanked MB tasks (Message 1565149)
Posted 30 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Looking at it from the science side of the ledger, I guess because MB is narrowband therefore the interference signals would logically be much less of a problem to "clean up" than with the broadband signals.

Where is this "spike count" and the other found?

In the <stderr_txt>. Here is an example.
2464) Message boards : Number crunching : blanked MB tasks (Message 1565139)
Posted 30 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I know that AP tasks are blanked. I want to be sure I understand blanking; MB tasks, I would assume, would also be blanked, correct?

Not so much. You may see some MB tasks that finish much shorter than other. Often < 60 seconds. In those look for
Spike count: 30
&
SETI@Home Informational message -9 result_overflow
2465) Message boards : Number crunching : combo 4650 and 6570? (Message 1565136)
Posted 30 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Great! Thanks Hal. One last question. Where/What is the ID#. The same 0 or 1 listed in the event log? I thought that perhaps these were dynamically supplied numbers.

Something like this
OpenCL: AMD/ATI GPU 0: ATI Radeon HD 5750 (Juniper Pro)
OpenCL: Intel GPU 0: Intel(R) HD Graphics 4600
That would be it.

The numbers are more or less static. Unless you were to swap the cards around. The ID generally follows the order of the PCIe slots.
2466) Message boards : Number crunching : R7 265 aka 7800 series?? (Message 1565128)
Posted 30 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hal,
Would there be some necessity for me to install a different driver?

Necessary? I don't think so. I think I waited until May or June to bother installing 14.4 & before that. I think I had gone from 12.4 to 12.12
2467) Message boards : Number crunching : Show and tell your machine. Here's mine. (Message 1565117)
Posted 30 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Similar spec to my new server -- I got one half of it running today. Here's a view from the back showing the two redundant power supplies in the middle and one of the server slides. Hasn't got any GPUs (yet... :-) but there's 128 GB of RAM in each server.

Second half is now up and running. I turned hyperthreading off to see what the difference might amount to.

I will be interested to see how it compares to my 12c/24t machine. I limit it to 20 tasks at a time.

Actually, I am running a 12-core machine without Hyperthreading (it's the server for my Xeon Phi, which is unfortunately unsuited to s@h). Its RAC is about 30% less than yours, which is probably partly explained by the 17% lower clock but also by Linux/Windows differences. With two identical machines, down to the smallest detail, running one with and one without HT perhaps I can convince myself which way is best. At the moment, the second machine is one day younger and a bit behind -- but it managed to grab a large bunch of AP jobs and at one point was crunching 18 of them at once; at 15 hours or so each and 14 still pending, that left a bit of a hole in its earnings so far.

I have 5 identical i7-860's and sometimes I see as much as 15% difference between them. Depending on the work they are processing.
2468) Message boards : Number crunching : R7 265 aka 7800 series?? (Message 1565114)
Posted 30 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Installing the most recent driver may change the name it is displaying. It looks like you have Cat 13.12 installed on that system.
2469) Message boards : Number crunching : combo 4650 and 6570? (Message 1565104)
Posted 30 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Can I combine a 4650 and a 6570 in the same machine with these conditions:


The 4650 will be the only one plugged into the monitor. It will be on a riser.

The 6570 will be used only for lunatics.

I imagine I may be asking a lot with this question and if I don't get an answer, it's fine.

The reason I would be doing this is so that I don't interrupt the lunatics work if I am doing other work on the machine. Now, I only have the 6570 on the machine. As it works now, other work is degraded dramatically by lunatics.

If you want to use the 4650 for the display and the 6570 to crunch with. Then that can be done easily. You would just to add one line to your cc_config.xml in fact. <ignore_ati_dev>N</ignore_ati_dev> With the ID # of the 4650. Then BOINC will only use the 6570.
2470) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (89) Server Problems? (Message 1564503)
Posted 29 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
total channels to do: 420 0

It's gonna be a long time before we see fresh APs.

It will be 4 days at least. If they follow their recent patterns of loading the new data sets after Tuesday maintenance.
2471) Message boards : Number crunching : SETI@Home Wow!-Event 2014 (Message 1564483)
Posted 29 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Looks like it is now complete.
Thanks to SETI.Germany, & people involved, for creating the event & allowing others to participate.
2472) Message boards : Number crunching : combo 4650 and 6570? (Message 1564441)
Posted 29 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
So long as the Catalyst version you are using still has OpenCL support for HD4000 cards. Then they can probably both be made to work. I think Cat 12.4 or 12.6 was as high as I could go with my HD4870. I will have to double check to be sure.

It looks like since change from r1832 to r2399 your 4650 is generating only errors.

If you could try the card over on Beta with the v7.03 AP app I am sure the devs would appreciate it.
http://setiweb.ssl.berkeley.edu/beta/

Using just the 6570 in the system might be the easiest route to go.
2473) Message boards : Number crunching : RAC flatlined... no clue why (Message 1564369)
Posted 29 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The stat sites show you are getting credit. When you say flat lined are you looking at the graph in BOINC? Sometimes it doesn't update correctly. So you may just want to restart BOINC. If it is not updating after that there may be an issue with your statistics_setiathome.berkeley.edu.xml not getting updated.

Edit: You can see the credit granted on your machines by looking at their valid tasks. Your machine 7356542 for example.
2474) Message boards : Number crunching : GPU task limits (Message 1564358)
Posted 29 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
@Falconfly

There are a essy way to solve your problem, run 2 instances of Boinc on the host, on each one you allow only one of your GPU work then you will be abble to mantain the cache filled separately with WU for each GPU´s.

Not required with the per vendor limits being fixed.
2475) Message boards : Number crunching : HP printer cartridges (Message 1564356)
Posted 29 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Actually working for one of the large printer manufactures I can tell you there are a lot of shenanigans going on with ink/toner.
The IC they put in the cartridge is used to limit how much of the stuff in side is actually used. In some cases people are throwing away cartridges that still contain 50% of their contents.
Sometimes the IC will also limit which printer the cartridge can go in or give you reduced usage of the cartridge.

It is much like gaming consoles. The devices are sold at near cost, or sometimes a loss, and it is expected to make up for it in consumables.

Also something many don't realize is that the consumables that ship with the unit are generally much smaller than the replacements you buy. The toner cartridges that ship with our units, starters, are normally 1500-2000 pages. Then the replacements come in values from 5000 to 18000 depending on the printer.
2476) Message boards : Number crunching : GPU task limits (Message 1564143)
Posted 29 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
And hopefully remains so, until they double the numbers. Then double them again.

Probably won't happen until something major changes in the data base.

Or they score some serious hardware. Or both.

I think the db limit might be a software issue rather than hardware related. When hit a limit of out in the field the db would just barf all over itself. I don't recall the number but something in the range of 4-4.5 million seems familiar.
Maybe a 40 core 3GHz server with 1TB+ of ram would solve that if it is hardware related. I have not seem any major things pop up on the GPU equipment fundraiser site in a while. So I would guess their wishlist doesn't include hardware at the moment.

"Results out in the field" reached 10,725,146 on Sunday 4 November 2012, and was rising by a million a day. That was the point when I asked for an emergency shutdown of the splitters - it probably peaked a little higher before the email got through.

From memory, it took us about a week and a half to recover from that event.....

Details are buried somewhere in http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=69890 (about three-quarters of the way back to the beginning of the thread)

With people connecting data centers to SETI@home we should probably be very glad for the limits.
2477) Message boards : Number crunching : GPU task limits (Message 1564131)
Posted 28 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
And hopefully remains so, until they double the numbers. Then double them again.

Probably won't happen until something major changes in the data base.

Or they score some serious hardware. Or both.

I think the db limit might be a software issue rather than hardware related. When hit a limit of out in the field the db would just barf all over itself. I don't recall the number but something in the range of 4-4.5 million seems familiar.
Maybe a 40 core 3GHz server with 1TB+ of ram would solve that if it is hardware related. I have not seem any major things pop up on the GPU Users group equipment fundraiser page in a while. So I would guess their wishlist doesn't include hardware at the moment.
2478) Message boards : Number crunching : GPU task limits (Message 1564062)
Posted 28 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
It looks like they are working on getting the GPU limits to prevent starvation working correctly. My systems with ATI & Intel GPUs are now at the limit with 200 tasks instead of 300 as it was meant to be.

Looking at other machines it looks like it went from (limit * total # GPUs) to (limit * # GPUs from single vendor) at the moment. So those with multiple GPUs from the same vendor are still getting a higher limit as before. They might still be working on it. So it could go to (limit * # vendor GPUs). Which is what I think the original purpose was in changing the BOINC code.


It's been 100 per cpu/gpu for at least a year, from my limited knowledge. I did enable my Intel Gpu recently and picked up another 100 wu's. So I guess the limit it what it is ;-)

P.

Yes, the project set of limit of 100 CPU & 100 GPU quite a long while ago.

However somewhat recently, few months ago?, Dr. Anderson made a change to the BOINC server code. The intended effect wast so that systems with mixed GPUs would be able to fetch work for each vendor type. So that a machine with say ATI & Nvidia would not download 100 tasks for ATI & leave the Nvidia GPU idle. The change was implemented but in an unintended way which would still lead to GPU starvation. You could download 200 task for the ATI GPU and the Nvidia would still sit idle.
It has been changed so that the starvation issue looks to have been corrected. Also you will not pick up another 100 tasks for your ATI card by enabling your Intel GPU, but if you are using your iGPU it should be able to download up to 100 tasks for it to process.
If you were to have 2 ATI GPUs it looks like you would still download 200 GPU tasks... for now.
2479) Message boards : Number crunching : blanked AP tasks (Message 1563949)
Posted 28 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
HAL9000,

Yes, thank you, I will put my 6570 over to machine2 with my 4650 by using the riser idea that Zalster gave me. Over at 'Help - GPUApps', I asked for ideas on what my upgrade path would be and the response was the r7 265 so that is what I bought. If the price was about the same I would have gone with the r7 270 had I known about it. Also,I will try harder to go in the right direction from now on. :-) Yours truly,
merle van osdol


Interesting choice. I would have gone with the R9 270 myself. As it is the same power usage & about 25% faster.

If you add a card like that I would remove the 6570. Having a card that much slower than two faster ones may throw off the estimates. Which will could cause your system to start throwing out errors instead of getting any work done.

The general idea is to get as much done as possible, but you seem hell bent on going the other way. :P

I really meant that in the sense that before you had worked out the issues with the current setup you were looking to add a 3rd GPU to cause even more issues for yourself.
The R9 270 probably does cost more so the R7 265 might be a better card for the money.
2480) Message boards : Number crunching : HP laptop power cords (Message 1563945)
Posted 28 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I saw this yesterday on engadget & found my notebook is one of the effected. I haven't been using the cord that came with it, but filled submitted to get a new one anyway.
2481) Message boards : Number crunching : GPU task limits (Message 1563882)
Posted 28 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
It looks like they are working on getting the GPU limits to prevent starvation working correctly. My systems with ATI & Intel GPUs are now at the limit with 200 tasks instead of 300 as it was meant to be.

Looking at other machines it looks like it went from (limit * total # GPUs) to (limit * # GPUs from single vendor) at the moment. So those with multiple GPUs from the same vendor are still getting a higher limit as before. They might still be working on it. So it could go to (limit * # vendor GPUs). Which is what I think the original purpose was in changing the BOINC code.
2482) Message boards : Number crunching : blanked AP tasks (Message 1563865)
Posted 28 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thanks TBar,
I just did that. Only one question thereto: If I have a 4 core 8 thread system, does that mean that I have to let one thread held as idle for each gpu that I have? In my 2 gpu setup that means I have to put 75% in "use at most" computer preferences. If that is the case it seems as though I would be putting quite a bit of power in an idle state. Right?

For now you can just alter the app_config file to run one at a time with 1 CPU core reserved. Hal's example will work for that;
<app_config>
	<app>
		<name>astropulse_v6</name>
		<gpu_versions>
			<gpu_usage>1.0</gpu_usage>
			<cpu_usage>1.0</cpu_usage>
		</gpu_versions>
	</app>
</app_config>

Then add the Command Line setting to increase the GPU usage while just running one task at a time;
3) Find the ap_cmdline_win_x86_SSE2_OpenCL_ATI.txt file in your setiathome.berkeley.edu folder and paste the following line in the file;
-unroll 10 -ffa_block 4096 -ffa_block_fetch 2048 -sbs 256

See how that works for now.

With the app_config.xml setting it will automatically reserve the CPU cores/threads for the GPU. So you do not have to adjust your computing preferences. If the GPUs run out of work a CPU core will revert to running a CPU tasks if there are more to do.
If you were to have
<gpu_usage>1.0</gpu_usage>
<cpu_usage>2.0</cpu_usage>
Then 4 CPU cores/threads would be reserved while 2 GPU tasks were running.
2483) Message boards : Number crunching : Show and tell your machine. Here's mine. (Message 1563777)
Posted 28 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Similar spec to my new server -- I got one half of it running today. Here's a view from the back showing the two redundant power supplies in the middle and one of the server slides. Hasn't got any GPUs (yet... :-) but there's 128 GB of RAM in each server.

Second half is now up and running. I turned hyperthreading off to see what the difference might amount to.

I will be interested to see how it compares to my 12c/24t machine. I limit it to 20 tasks at a time.
2484) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (89) Server Problems? (Message 1563756)
Posted 28 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
These tapes:
29no13aa
30au13ac
30my13ac
31au13aa
31au13ac
31mr13ae

They are from 2013, and they will not be split until all older tapes from earlier years have been split and in re-crunched. Maybe you all missed it when they said that older already crunched work, may be issued again, to be re-crunched with the newer MB V7 and AP V6.

The data sets are split in alphanumerical order. Those sets just have the disadvantage of being from the last few days of the month. So and data set with a date prior to the 29th, 30th, or 31st is done before.
Unless we have several sets of data with dates near these they may not be split for some time.
These were loaded around the same time as several other sets from 2013, but with dates near the beginning of their month. So they were split and were gone very quickly.


When it comes to the 2013 tapes, you are wrong IMO. They are deliberately being stopped from being split for the very reason I stated. Just look at 29no13aa (7 completed channels), and 30au13ac (2 completed channels) , those taped were started, but stopped from splitting more.

As I recall those were being processed before more data was added. Then after maintenance splitting resumed on the lower numbered data sets. Deliberately stopping the processing on a data set doesn't seem logical when it was already done for AP.
We both have ideas about what is going on. It is all speculation unless we have actual word from the inside.
2485) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (89) Server Problems? (Message 1563742)
Posted 28 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
These tapes:
29no13aa
30au13ac
30my13ac
31au13aa
31au13ac
31mr13ae

They are from 2013, and they will not be split until all older tapes from earlier years have been split and in re-crunched. Maybe you all missed it when they said that older already crunched work, may be issued again, to be re-crunched with the newer MB V7 and AP V6.

The data sets are split in alphanumerical order. Those sets just have the disadvantage of being from the last few days of the month. So and data set with a date prior to the 29th, 30th, or 31st is done before.
Unless we have several sets of data with dates near these they may not be split for some time.
These were loaded around the same time as several other sets from 2013, but with dates near the beginning of their month. So they were split and were gone very quickly.
2486) Message boards : Number crunching : blanked AP tasks (Message 1563734)
Posted 28 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
But if the data is changed as explained by Zalters to blank data then there are a way to know that, or change the data will be allmost impossible too.

Your machine is where this will happen. There is not a new server process to do this. Again blanking is only known after you get the data and your machine looks at it.

If that is the case i could ask why the fix was not made before, but try to do that when V7 is to close is sure a waste of time/resources.

So let´s wait for V7

I would guess that the change was only recently devised.
2487) Message boards : Number crunching : blanked AP tasks (Message 1563728)
Posted 28 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
But if the data is changed as explained by Zalters to blank data then there are a way to know that, or change the data will be allmost impossible too.

Your machine is where this will happen. There is not a new server process to do this. Again blanking is only known after you get the data and your machine looks at it.
2488) Message boards : Number crunching : blanked AP tasks (Message 1563716)
Posted 28 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I still don´t understand why they don´t do like the Vlars on NV GPU´s, simply not sending High % Braked WU to GPU´s hosts who can´t realy handle them, sending then instead to CPU hosts who crunch this WU a lot faster. Simple better use of the avaiable resources.

My 2 cents

As it has been said several times now. Blanking is not known previous to processing. Unlike AR which is known before.
2489) Message boards : Number crunching : SETI@home project : 1.5 million volunteers ! (Message 1563689)
Posted 28 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I'd certainly be glad if an extra 600,000 hosts became active, though I think it would create alarming side effects in the work delivery system.

Josef is perfectly correct. If the workunits crunched went up by 50%-100% could the current server infrastructure cope? I doubt if it could, but then again it isn't likely to happen.

It is hard to guess how much the servers could handle. When a single user joined and added another 8% it didn't even really show up in any meaningful way to the server stats.
2490) Message boards : Number crunching : Lunatics Windows Installer v0.42 Release Notes (Message 1563684)
Posted 28 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I've generally observed that the NVidia cards comparably scream through Cuda MB tasks like hell while taking their time on AP (although still good) - while AMD cards eat AP tasks for breakfast but really take their time chugging through MB tasks.

That's what Raistmer say from a long time:
- the most effective use of GPUs here (not 'by credit' but 'by performance'/'by work done') is to:
use NVIDIA for CUDA MultiBeam
use ATI AMD for OpenCL AstroPulse

So is the "problem" that there's no CUDA AP app?

Please see AP6_win_x86_SSE2_OpenCL_NV_r2399.exe from the v0.42 installer. While not CUDA it is the app that will give you the best use of NV cards for AP.
2491) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (89) Server Problems? (Message 1563682)
Posted 28 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hmmm.
3 AP channels done, 14 ended in error.

Looks like the MB splitters have moved on to those same tapes (looks like those 29-31 tapes may never get done), it will be interesting to see if they produce any MB errors after producing all those AP errors.

I've been burning a candle for the 31st tapes since May or April. I have hope that one day they may be split!
2492) Message boards : Number crunching : Your thoughts on the upcoming Haswell E CPUs (Message 1563529)
Posted 28 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
If anybody is going to be testing one of these machines/CPUs before they hit the market & you're allowed to let me know I would be very grateful to see what numbers they produce.

I think they will produce mostly 1's and 0's.

Very good :) I am sure people are aware I was meaning how much credit the cores/threads produce per task

hehe I know. The i7-5960X is slated to run $999 USD for the chip alone. So I do not see one of those in my future any time soon.
Maybe a kickstarter could be used to fund building such a system. After a guy made nearly $56,000 for potato salad anything is possible.
2493) Message boards : Number crunching : Your thoughts on the upcoming Haswell E CPUs (Message 1563448)
Posted 27 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
If anybody is going to be testing one of these machines/CPUs before they hit the market & you're allowed to let me know I would be very grateful to see what numbers they produce.

I think they will produce mostly 1's and 0's.
2494) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (89) Server Problems? (Message 1563262)
Posted 27 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:


I'm not sure SETI@home staff has the free time to verify people reschedule hoarding tasks. Then create a method to stop it from occurring.
The few people that wish to do this will spend much more effort working around it than the people running it have to keep up.

I proposed what I think might be a possible solution in my post below.

They have the ability to set limits per host or per device. Per host is a fixed value instead of one that varies with hardware.
2495) Message boards : Number crunching : SETI@home project : 1.5 million volunteers ! (Message 1563261)
Posted 27 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
... only two computers? I don't understand. How can someone have only two computers...

$

Yep that $ keeps me from building another one to replace my aged I7 920.
At one time I was running 4 machines. But only 3 for the last year or so.

"Aged I7 920"??? My good cruncher is a 920.

I had 3 until one of them had a Windows nervous breakdown. I got that one cheap, and it has scared me off of getting any more cheap from the same source. Electricity is also a factor.

Electric is why I am only running 6 out of 7 machines I have setup at home right now. The old i7-860 just has to low of performance per watt for me to justify running it during the summer.
2496) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (89) Server Problems? (Message 1563228)
Posted 27 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I'd like to point one problem in AstroPulse units in Seti@home:

How it is still possible to ONE computer to have almost 10% of the total AstroPulse units in progress?

SSP as of 27 Aug 2014, 18:20:09 UTC: Results out in the field 120,599
As of 27 Aug 2014, 18:24:00 UTC: In progress AstroPulse v6 tasks for computer 6016862 In progress (1189)

I hope You get my point. And somebody in S@H staff.

1189/120599 = 0.009859 or 0.9%
12,000 would be 10% of 120,000
Some older version of BOINC don't work with the limit system. I don't think their version is one of them. There is also rescheduling to hoard more work. Which was discussed some time ago.


My mistake on calculations, I am sorry. (note to self, do not make calculations on high fever)

Anyway this computer has been mentioned several times in rescheduling threads.

Time to go bed, sorry again for this fever "rage" message...

I always suggest plenty of alcoholic drinks to kill bugs that cause fever.

I'm not sure SETI@home staff has the free time to verify people reschedule hoarding tasks. Then create a method to stop it from occurring.
The few people that wish to do this will spend much more effort working around it than the people running it have to keep up.
2497) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (89) Server Problems? (Message 1563204)
Posted 27 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I'd like to point one problem in AstroPulse units in Seti@home:

How it is still possible to ONE computer to have almost 10% of the total AstroPulse units in progress?

SSP as of 27 Aug 2014, 18:20:09 UTC: Results out in the field 120,599
As of 27 Aug 2014, 18:24:00 UTC: In progress AstroPulse v6 tasks for computer 6016862 In progress (1189)

I hope You get my point. And somebody in S@H staff.

1189/120599 = 0.009859 or 0.9%
12,000 would be 10% of 120,000
Some older version of BOINC don't work with the limit system. I don't think their version is one of them. There is also rescheduling to hoard more work. Which was discussed some time ago.
2498) Message boards : Number crunching : blanked AP tasks (Message 1563106)
Posted 27 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hal,
I am just inexpereienced and over my head. I'm just trying my best.

I'm not sure most of us really know what we are doing.

I know nothing & I can prove it. Just ask!
2499) Message boards : Number crunching : blanked AP tasks (Message 1563099)
Posted 27 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thanks for all these comments. I have another problem coming up. I'm adding a r7 265 to this same machine which is going to further complicate things for me.
I have a lot of studying to do.

Interesting choice. I would have gone with the R9 270 myself. As it is the same power usage & about 25% faster.

If you add a card like that I would remove the 6570. Having a card that much slower than two faster ones may throw off the estimates. Which will could cause your system to start throwing out errors instead of getting any work done.

The general idea is to get as much done as possible, but you seem hell bent on going the other way. :P
2500) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (89) Server Problems? (Message 1563091)
Posted 27 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Can seti not send out the data without spliting or would 50G be to much for hosts pc

With a 1.5Mb connection it would take several hours to download that much data. With even slower upload rate it would take much much longer to upload the results.
There are some people that still use dial up as well.

Could they? Sure.
Is it practical? No.
Would it limit the number of people that could participate? Yes.

Never mind the fact a new apps would have to be written, or if a normal desktop could even handle that much work to chew on.

One 50GB data set generates something like 64,000 MB & 6,250 AP tasks.
2501) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (89) Server Problems? (Message 1563064)
Posted 27 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Please forgive my "stupid question" but i´m a very curious.

If spliting is a simple process of read a big amount of data (50 GB tape) dive and write it in smaller parts (8MB in the case of AP), then how a is possible to get an "splitting error" since all you do is read the data and re-write it on another place?

Obviusly taking away hardware error itself (a disk media error for example). But you are sugesting the error is in the stream of data not the media, of when you talk about splitter erros you are relay talking about a disk media error?

The server status marks a channels with a gray block when there is an error with that channel. Instead of the bright green block for completed. It may not mean that all data in that channel had errors.
We don't know the error that occurred but I can imagine several types.
- Splitter processes has a memory issue.
- Data read error
- Data write error
- Corrupt data in data set
2502) Message boards : Number crunching : blanked AP tasks (Message 1563053)
Posted 27 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
TBar,

re. your comments:
1) Make sure the cards are not overheating, the Turks card has errors associated with overheating.
2) Update to the latest AMD Beta driver. I've have issues on different machines with 1348 & 1445. 14.6/14.7 works better on my machines.
3) Find the ap_cmdline_win_x86_SSE2_OpenCL_ATI.txt file in your setiathome.berkeley.edu folder and paste the following line in the file;
-unroll 10 -ffa_block 4096 -ffa_block_fetch 2048 -sbs 256

What does this "-unroll 10 -ffa_block 4096 -ffa_block_fetch 2048 -sbs 256" do?

A description of what these functions do can be found in the ReadMe_AstroPulse_OpenCL_ATI.txt

I think a basic description would be they are used change how data is loaded when processing. Which can be more effective than the default values the program uses for all cards to function.
2503) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (89) Server Problems? (Message 1563043)
Posted 27 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Did most of the channels for the 8 data sets have mostly errors? It looks like they stopped loading more data to be split for now.
Let's hope they noticed the errors and are looking into it & that the MB channels splitters don't get hung up on those data sets.
2504) Message boards : Number crunching : blanked AP tasks (Message 1563040)
Posted 27 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Here is the AP ReadMe from the latest Installer;

App instances.
______________

On high end cards HD 5850/5870, 6950/6970, 7950/7970 you can run 3 instances.

On mid range cards HD 5770, 6850/6870, 7850/7870 best performance should be running 2 instances.

If you experience screen lags reduce unroll factor and ffa_block_fetch value.

Addendum:
_________

Running multiple cards in a system requires freeing another CPU core.

The 7770 would be at the low end of the 'mid range cards'. I have Three 6850/6870s and haven't noticed any advantage in running 2 instances. Not only that, but, with a Quad core CPU running 6 Free CPU cores would be rather difficult. I do run with an unroll number of 16 though.

Yes, the current GPU blanked tasks are run on the CPU leaving the GPUs to twiddle their thumbs. Best to toss them to the CPUs and let the GPUs continue with unblanked tasks. That is technical, and with AP_V7 just around the corner best left alone.

One task at a time normally runs around 80%-90% on my 6870. I did get excited once when I saw it running around 30% with some tuning values, but that just turned out to be a highly blanked task. I decided it would either require borrowing Rasitmers brain foe a little while or a x900 series card to effectively run more than 1 at a time on my 6870.

I was able to get my 6870 up to ~95% GPU usage using an unroll of 18. It seems to top out around there, further increases didn't seem to raise the usage.
Here it is in Vista, http://setiweb.ssl.berkeley.edu/beta/results.php?hostid=72451
Here it is in Ubuntu, http://setiweb.ssl.berkeley.edu/beta/results.php?hostid=72013&offset=20&show_names=0&state=0&appid=
If you can get it to 95% load, why even bother with running more instances?

I will see usage around 95-99% with unroll of 16, but it depends on the work running. I may even back it back down to 14. As I have not seen much difference in usage between 14 and 16.
With anything over 80% usage I'm not sure running more than 1 instance is actually a net benefit.
2505) Message boards : Number crunching : blanked AP tasks (Message 1563023)
Posted 27 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Here is the AP ReadMe from the latest Installer;

App instances.
______________

On high end cards HD 5850/5870, 6950/6970, 7950/7970 you can run 3 instances.

On mid range cards HD 5770, 6850/6870, 7850/7870 best performance should be running 2 instances.

If you experience screen lags reduce unroll factor and ffa_block_fetch value.

Addendum:
_________

Running multiple cards in a system requires freeing another CPU core.

The 7770 would be at the low end of the 'mid range cards'. I have Three 6850/6870s and haven't noticed any advantage in running 2 instances. Not only that, but, with a Quad core CPU running 6 Free CPU cores would be rather difficult. I do run with an unroll number of 16 though.

Yes, the current GPU blanked tasks are run on the CPU leaving the GPUs to twiddle their thumbs. Best to toss them to the CPUs and let the GPUs continue with unblanked tasks. That is technical, and with AP_V7 just around the corner best left alone.

One task at a time normally runs around 80%-90% on my 6870. I did get excited once when I saw it running around 30% with some tuning values, but that just turned out to be a highly blanked task. I decided it would either require borrowing Rasitmers brain foe a little while or a x900 series card to effectively run more than 1 at a time on my 6870.
2506) Message boards : Number crunching : SETI@home project : 1.5 million volunteers ! (Message 1562784)
Posted 27 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I find the ratio of active hosts to active users interesting. It shows that, on average, each active user has more than 6.26 active hosts.

I feel like a slacker with only 2 (3 if you count my phone, but I haven't let it do any Main work in 2-3 months, so I don't know if it does count in these numbers).

2 is enough isn't it? :-)

Cheers.

... only two computers? I don't understand. How can someone have only two computers...
2507) Message boards : Number crunching : blanked AP tasks (Message 1562761)
Posted 27 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
TBar,
Both SIV64 and MSI Afterburner report my 6570 running at 650MHZ and my 7770 running at 1000MHZ? I am running 3 tasks at a time.

--edit--
I leave one thread open for the 2 gpu's.

The values in the stderr_txt are as they say "Max clock frequency:" & not the devices current running clock rate. You can see this same information by running clinfo from the command line. The HD6570 showing 1000MHz is a bit weird, but the manufacture of the card probably just typed that in the max clock field.

I would also expect your HD6570 to run a fair bit faster than ~15 hours. As my HD6370m runs AP tasks under 6 hours with no tuning options.

Another way to reserve the CPU for your GPU would be with an app_config.xml
For my cards where I run 1 AP at a time I use.
<app_config>
	<app>
		<name>astropulse_v6</name>
		<gpu_versions>
			<gpu_usage>1.0</gpu_usage>
			<cpu_usage>1.0</cpu_usage>
		</gpu_versions>
	</app>
</app_config>


This way when no AP are running on the GPU all of my CPU cores are free to crunch.

Also my HD5750 runs about 1 hr 20 min for AP tasks. So 3+ hours for a 7770 does seem high.
2508) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (89) Server Problems? (Message 1562754)
Posted 27 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Well it looks like those files to be split at the bottom of the list, that have been there for 2-3 months now, look like they'll be there even longer seeing as new files are already being added again over the top of them again (those new files could've waited until tomorrow) and the 1st new file has 3 AP splitters again tied up plus that file only seems to be producing errors as well. :-(

Cheers.

Given the choice I would take error channels over hung/stuck ones.
2509) Message boards : Number crunching : blanked AP tasks (Message 1562643)
Posted 26 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
the beginner (so be gentle into that goodnight :-) )

What average amount of blanking is there on a wu?

Ah, come on, guess.

Most of the tasks I seem to get are in the 0-12% range for blanking. The last batch of work we had there were more tasks with higher blanking. We could get a batch of work that contained mostly 80%+ blanked tasks.

EDIT:
Looking at the first 100 valid AP tasks I had 4 early exist from 30/30 pulses, 1 45%, 1 60%, 1 70%, & the rest were < 10% blanked. Mostly 0% and 5%.
2510) Message boards : Number crunching : blanked AP tasks (Message 1562641)
Posted 26 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thanks for the answers, let´s wait for AP7 and see how it handles the blanks, by the test data i was abble to see they are promissing.

On my hardware the run times are similar between AP v6 on main and AP v7 on Beta. The AP v7 app is a bit faster. Looks like 5-7% for the same amount of blanking.
However the build I am using on Beta is between versions. It was needed to troubleshoot some types of hardware not working. So there may be debug code that causes it to run a bit slower than the final version app.


I had a task with 90% blanking at beta.
Finnished in 28 minutes.
It would take over 3 hours on my host with AP6 app.

http://setiweb.ssl.berkeley.edu/beta/result.php?resultid=17455299

I had forgotten that with this system I can run CPU or GPU work on it without it bursting into flames. So currently I'm running 1 GPU & 0 CPU tasks. AP v6 CPU times run about 10 hours.

Two of the tasks I completed on Beta are over 90% blanked.
http://setiweb.ssl.berkeley.edu/beta/result.php?resultid=17490643
http://setiweb.ssl.berkeley.edu/beta/result.php?resultid=17490645
They finished in the 5.5-6 hour window the HD6370m normally takes for v6 tasks.
I had a 45% blanked v6 task I was using to compare to the 48% blanked one on Beta. It looks to have been purged. The times were similar for the two.
Maybe one of the v6 tasks I have on hand will be over 90% blanked for a better comparison.
2511) Message boards : Number crunching : blanked AP tasks (Message 1562612)
Posted 26 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thanks for the answers, let´s wait for AP7 and see how it handles the blanks, by the test data i was abble to see they are promissing.

On my hardware the run times are similar between AP v6 on main and AP v7 on Beta. The AP v7 app is a bit faster. Looks like 5-7% for the same amount of blanking.
However the build I am using on Beta is between versions. It was needed to troubleshoot some types of hardware not working. So there may be debug code that causes it to run a bit slower than the final version app.
2512) Message boards : Number crunching : Lunatics Windows Installer v0.42 Release Notes (Message 1562608)
Posted 26 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The AP 7 apps are Lunatics technology.
Brilliant work by our group i might add.

So does that mean the credit granted for AP will drop like a stone as happened with MBv7 thanks to Credit New?

I am seeing an average of 519.43 credits for AP on Beta, but they are running faster. So it might work out to be the same average per day. I have not done that calculation as of yet.
2513) Message boards : Number crunching : The current top cruncher (Message 1562394)
Posted 25 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I would say we have a plethora of data.

It would be nice to see the rate of data gathered vs the amount processed.
Since we are looking at MB & AP from the same data would we include both figures in the amount processed?
Then I wonder at what point will we outpace the data collection rate.
2514) Message boards : Number crunching : blanked AP tasks (Message 1562393)
Posted 25 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
V7 is comming so maybe it´s a waste of time ask but why not treat the high % blank WU in the same way the VLARS are treated? IE No VLAR is sended to NV GPU´s. Why not do the same and send High % Blank WU only to CPU crunchers and not to GPU´s crunchers? That will avoid a lot of troubles and optimize the project resources.

Where VLAR tasks could error on some systems. Highly blanked AP tasks just run longer. Increased run time of some types of tasks is not a detriment to the project & doesn't cause any difficulty for it.
Also I am not sure that the % blanking is known until the task is processed. So work would have to be prescreened to find blanking % if that is the case.

I don't think mucking up the scheduler with another special case for NV cards with the release of AP v7 on the way would be fruitful. I recall it took much work to get it to work correctly, then it would break and need more work. Where that time could be spent getting AP v7 ready.
2515) Message boards : Number crunching : The current top cruncher (Message 1562323)
Posted 25 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
It would seem we have a new #2 mystery cruncher as well jmi. Posting millions of credit per day.


On the one hand they have this way of making me feel so inadequate.

On the other hand, they do a lot of work for the rest of us to validate against.

And on the third hand, I'm happy to be able to blow-through this data as fast as we can (I wish I had a clue as to how much total data there is for us to-do and what proportion of it we have done).

The last time the question was answered there was a large amount of data backed logged that we have not touched.
Once the Green Bank recorder gets up and going there will be even more, but that is a long time off probably.
2516) Message boards : Number crunching : blanked AP tasks (Message 1562320)
Posted 25 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Funny guy. I do hope you're trying to be funny...

About the 100% blanked tasks?
Nope: http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/result.php?resultid=3668070364

Well..... Do you think the fact that 100% blanking, meaning there isn't any data, has anything to do with it?
BTW, 100% blanked APs have Always finished in a few seconds, 'cause, there's nothing there to compute. Try it with an AP that's 99% blanked with V6.

I had not noticed any in the past few months, but it may been the lack of 100% blanked work.
Recently I was getting times for benchmarking so I was paying more attention to the blanked percentage.
2517) Message boards : Number crunching : blanked AP tasks (Message 1562297)
Posted 25 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Funny guy. I do hope you're trying to be funny...

About the 100% blanked tasks?
Nope: http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/result.php?resultid=3668070364
2518) Message boards : Number crunching : blanked AP tasks (Message 1562280)
Posted 25 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
OK, good.

Can you give me a laymen's view of how v7 works differently?

Basically, V7 will allow the GPU to complete the blanked task just a little longer than a non-blanked task instead of up to 4 times longer with V6. If your GPU completes a non-blanked task in 30 minutes, it will complete a blanked one in about 35 minutes instead of 2+ hours. The real advantage is with the CPU which completely skips the blanking. A blanked cpu task that takes 10 hours with V6 can finish in just a couple hours with V7.

Now if we can just get V7 released...

I think the v6 CPU app has already been updated. I have seen several 100% blanked tasks run about 3 seconds on my CPUs.
2519) Message boards : Number crunching : The current top cruncher (Message 1562259)
Posted 25 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
It would seem we have a new #2 mystery cruncher as well jmi. Posting millions of credit per day.
2520) Message boards : Number crunching : blanked AP tasks (Message 1562255)
Posted 25 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
OK, good.

Can you give me a laymen's view of how v7 works differently?

So far I only know that "it's different". There might be a detailed explanation in the AP threads at Beta, but I have not read all of the threads yet.
2521) Message boards : Number crunching : blanked AP tasks (Message 1562240)
Posted 25 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Tremendous thanks for working this thru for me.

Now that you have that sorted. Blanking is said to work completely different in the forthcoming Astropulse v7.
2522) Message boards : Number crunching : AMD and PSU's (Message 1562082)
Posted 25 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
May I chime in :

Since I've been using alot of PSUs, this is my experience...

Very reliable, good experience
----------------------------------------
Seasonic
Corsair
CoolerMaster
Thermaltake
XFX
Enermax

(there are more quality brands of course, above were just the ones I mainly employed)

Things I've learned with PSUs, that just worked well for me over the many years :

- never ever judge a PSU just by its advertised Wattage or go for Max Wattage for the buck. Go for quality instead and pay the price.
Many cheap PSUs don't even reach their advertised Wattage, let alone when being sucked by GPUs from the 12V rails. Some just fail, others actually blow or go up in flames (literally).
In contrast, the quality PSUs deliver what they promise and temporarily can even go further than that without taking damage.
Plus, they can handle load changes by the system much better and additionally filter out electrical line fluctuations far better... even brigde mini power surges without a hitch (all these things can make cheap PSUs go ape immediately, including delivering damaging over-/undervoltages to the system they're supplying).

- don't operate oversized PSUs 24/7 at very low load (i.e. 1000W rated with only 25% load)

Especially high-rated PSUs are fully optimized for certain load distributions, they don't seem to like it being taken to very low parts of the envelope for too long.
So when you look for a PSU to operate a certain system, make sure you know very well what Wattage it actually draws from the line and then aim for the desired PSU size.

- aim for about 60-75% sustained load for 24/7 operations and max. longlivety

While optimium efficiency (acc. 80+ certifications) is usually achieved in the ~80%-85% load region, permanently operating it at these very high loads is still putting alot of stress on the PSU and really puts its quality to a test.
Again, this requires actually knowing what Wattage you're expecting.

- PSUs (even quality ones) are aging

While a brand new quality PSU can deliver its full rated power, you have to know that over time of 24/7 operations, this number is shrinking slowly.
Normally not a hughe factor, but when using or considering to implement old PSUs into a System, it must be taken into account.

- Have a close look at the PSUs cooling behaviour

Every once in a while, even a quality manufacturer puts out "Silent PSUs" that can cross "the line between silent and stupid".
Means, these PSUs compromise their own cooling in order to remain silent - at nearly all costs (BeQuiet had a few of those in the past).
When you notice that even under heavy load the PSU is barely blowing air and the air it does blow is hot (not just warm), that needs to be taken into account for the overall system cooling.

- System cooling in general

Keep in mind that in difference to the old times, when the PSU was basically entirely responsible for moving the hot air out of the PC case, they cannot handle this job alone anymore - especially when GPUs are involved.
PC Cases that have sufficient fans shoveling cold air in and the warm air out are basically the Alpha and Omega of GPU crunching. The PSU will also thank you that, as this will drastically reduce its operating temperatures.

- periodically clean the PSU (pressure air)

PSUs can collect tons of dust without it being visible, as opposed to other hardware (i.e. Video cards etc) where it's usually very easy to recognize.
Most people would be surprised how much dust you get when you give it a thorough pressure air cleaning...
Although normally well-isolated, PSUs still by far operate the highest capacity and electrical components in a PC - and eventually that does not mix well with dust accumulation.

- Manufacturer recommendations for their Video cards are usually way overpowered

Since they have to guarantee that even cheap PSUs get along with their hardware, do not blindly trust their numbers and massively oversize your PSU.
Research the available tables of CPU and GPUs actual power consumption (TDP is at least a very good hint) and make a realistic estimation instead.


Requirements for 80 Plus certification use 20%, 50%, & 100% for their required values. With the highest efficiency requirements at 50%. Titanium certification adds a 10% requirements.



Here is a good source of info for who is making PSUs these days. They update the info yearly too.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/power-supply-psu-brands,3762.html

I have been switching from Enermax multi-railed PSUs to Rosewill Fortress single railed units recently.
2523) Message boards : Number crunching : Lunatics Windows Installer v0.42 Release Notes (Message 1561175)
Posted 23 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

If so, you might like to consider the v0.42a installer from http://1drv.ms/1vrU6pP - that's described in my post around this time yesterday, in this thread, and reverts that particular change. If that produces better timings for this batch of high-blanked tasks, then we will have some specific data to work with.

I jut install the new build in one host, from what that posted and since i dont do CPU Work the new builds just install the sae r2399 i allready use. Did you realey sugest i use the install? Remember i need to do that on a large number of hosts not just one.


v0.42a contains older AP GPU apps from v0.41.
I think he wants to see example times from r1843 & r2399 on same host with highly blanked work. That would be useful data point.
Do you have a host with older app still. Then you could install r2399 for comparison.
2524) Message boards : Number crunching : Gripes and Kudos IV (Message 1561150)
Posted 23 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Who is DA?

Dr. Anderson or David Anderson. The grand poobah of BOINC.
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/sah_about.php
2525) Message boards : Number crunching : Lunatics Windows Installer v0.42 Release Notes (Message 1561146)
Posted 23 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Friends we don´t need to be hostile here.

I belive what Mark´s is talk about was something related with my post on our team forum.

Few of us are trying to understand why our daily production sudenly drops (in my case from 500k/day to about 300k or worst today) if all our crunchers are working fine 24/7 and our caches are fully loaded with AP WU. Something must cause that and is making the new apps runs apparently very slow in our hosts.

In the process of testing we abort (if you see i allready have >1000 AP WU aborted about 1/4 of my entire farm cache) some part of the caches in some of the hosts to see if the new work present the same problem, and aparently all is related to the % blank on the WU.

I copy it here as posted since i know most of you can´t see it and maybe give us some tip or path to flow:

Please forgive if i´m wrong and i´m chassing ghosts but...

I´m starting to belive the new AP builds have something wierd in some type of WU, something who only apears or is worst on the slower and less powerfull CPU hosts who drive fast GPU´s like the ones Mark & i have.

Something related to the mid range blanked WU, not sure about but seems like the CPU usage on those WU is too high and that slow down the entire cruncher.

Since i don´t do CPU work and my CPU cores are totaly free to feed the GPUs that´s sounds wierd, yes i agree, but what else could explain a host who crunch normaly a WU in about 3k sec crunch another WU in 8k sec?

Considering the host is leaving alone doing nothing else? All scheduled task like backup, updates, are stoped and obviusly the boinc dir is out of the antivirus range.

Look this 2 WU for example

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/result.php?resultid=3694905930

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/result.php?resultid=3694915755

the first one crunch in 2 hours 20 min 41 sec with 1 hours 5 min 19 sec of CPU time and has percent blanked: 81.68

the second one it´s a zero blanked WU with the normal cruching time of 1 hours 0 min 52 sec and CPU time of 3 min 56 sec.

That´s makes me remember the old Vlar problem with NV GPU´s, not sounds familiar? Could something similar happening here?


For help the understanding, i run 3WU at a time on the 780´s hosts and don´t do CPU work on any of them.

Thanks in advance and please any help is welcomed.

Is there an example of highly blanked task from older app?

To me it would seem logical that sleep command line would cause increased run time for highly blanked tasks. As they are done mostly on CPU & CPU is told to sleep. If you receive mostly blanked tasks, we seem to have many in this last batch of tapes, then output would drop off.

Unlike the MB VLAR issue on Nvidia GPU this does not cause the task to error. Also I think the blanking is only known as the task is processed. So there would not be a way to detect blanking and split highly blanked work form non or low blanked work.
2526) Message boards : Number crunching : Bitcoin Utopia (a BOINC project) messing up credit system (Message 1561142)
Posted 23 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Seems to me BOINC could take a lesson from bitcoin itself, and limit the amount of credit that any project can "create" over a period of time.

Given the exponential growth of computing power there would be no logical reason to have a cap on credit.
More importantly credit is not a limited resource with value. It is just a means to track work done. Like a car odometer for miles driven or kilowatt hours for electricity consumed.
2527) Message boards : Number crunching : Lunatics Windows Installer v0.42 Release Notes (Message 1561125)
Posted 23 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
GPU usage on the new AP app..........sux.

Meow.

Specific details, please.

App revision number
GPU used
Driver used
Any non-standard configuration settings, like <count> or cmdline parameters
Link to sample TaskID, so we can read blanking %age and other details.


Want to review?
My AP results.
Driver 334.89, the same I have used for a long time.
Yes, not the most current, but nobody had indicated a problem with it.
I have 9 rigs to maintain, and I don't make too many changes unless warranted.
I since install, changed count from 1 to .5 to get 2/per on the GPUs.
The command line is the one in the readme for top end GPUs. Cut and pasted, except I added the -use_sleep option, which works very well.

Have a look, the app sux.

Did you really link to your user task list that you know no one else can see? :P

Looking on this machine. The run times for r1843 look to be nearly the same as r2399 for non-blanked tasks. If you switched form running 1 per GPU to 2 per GPU with the same run times that would indicate a good increase in performance. In this last batch a great deal of the work is blanked. So you might want to check that out for any specific examples.
2528) Message boards : Number crunching : SETI@Home Wow!-Event 2014 (Message 1561107)
Posted 23 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thanks to all Members and Teams who joined in the Wow Event 2014.We have with 838 Members and 136 Teams a Participants set new records.

Sorry,my englisch is not so good.

Thank you to all Members who joined to the Event.

Many Greetings: Terminator.

Your English is better than some people that only know English & probably better than everyone else's Deutsch. :)

Even with new records. The top group Virgo in only about to Mars from Earth.
http://www.seti-germany.de/Wow/stats_spacerace.php?&lang=en
Average distance to Mars is 255 million km.
2529) Message boards : Number crunching : Lunatics Windows Installer v0.42 Release Notes (Message 1561099)
Posted 23 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Did you try the v7.02 app on Beta? It is based on build r2601.

The last I try was this build (AP7_win_x86_SSE2_OpenCL_ATI_r2567_oclFFT_11.12drv_issue_fix.7z):
http://setiweb.ssl.berkeley.edu/beta/forum_thread.php?id=2185&postid=51771#51771

It works in offline test

My computer is attached to Beta but the problem is (copy from my PM to Raistmer):

I try to run some stock ATI AstroPulse tasks on SETI@home Beta but I don't receive any
It seems there is no plan class for ATI AMD + old BOINC
http://setiweb.ssl.berkeley.edu/beta/apps.php

For NVIDIA there are cuda_opencl_100 and opencl_nvidia_100
For ATI only opencl_ati_100

Do you know why there is no ati_opencl_100 (which I think is the plan class name used for old BOINC)?
If ATI + old BOINC is not banned for purpose can you ask Eric to add ati_opencl_100 plan class for AstroPulse?

Is there a way to fake the BOINC version reported to the server?


I understand Russian so Raistmer answers in a 'common' language ;)

Привет.
Я Эрику про это уже писал. Собственно, для NV план по моей просьбе он и добавил.
С АТи пока думает как лучше сделать. У АТи есть битые драйвера - как их под BOINC 6 исключать - непонятно...

It is good the app version to fix that issue works on your system.
Your message:

Add also this issue:
AP6_win_x86_SSE2_OpenCL_ATI_r2058 ... r2567
Fail on Catalyst 11.12 on Windows XP

Seemed to say that all revisions from r2058 on did not work. Including AP7 r2567.
You can use app_info.xml on beta to specify whichever plan class you like.
2530) Message boards : Number crunching : Lunatics Windows Installer v0.42 Release Notes (Message 1560972)
Posted 23 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
 
Add also this issue:
AP6_win_x86_SSE2_OpenCL_ATI_r2058 ... r2567
Fail on Catalyst 11.12 on Windows XP


AP6_win_x86_SSE2_OpenCL_ATI_r1843 works OK

Windows XP
AMD ATI Radeon HD 6570 (NI TURKS) [ASUS EAH6570/DI/1GD3(LP)]
Catalyst 11.12

==============

I reported this in PM to Raistmer on 16 Jul 2014
Next day I posted the copy of PM here (in the middle of the post):
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=74864&postid=1543057#1543057

Then it was also reported by TBar (18 Jul 2014):
http://setiweb.ssl.berkeley.edu/beta/forum_thread.php?id=2182&postid=51630#51630

Then the 'debug session' was here (I continued in PMs because no RAC on SETI@home Beta):
"oclFFT's -34 failure in last AP builds debugging":
http://setiweb.ssl.berkeley.edu/beta/forum_thread.php?id=2185
 

Did you try the v7.02 app on Beta? It is based on build r2601.
2531) Message boards : Number crunching : Finally?!? (Message 1560951)
Posted 23 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
What is more worrying, why is your host got work for the opencl_ati_nocal_100 plan_class, your GPU doesn't have OpenCL capabilities, but does have CAL capability,
So why is getting work for a plan_class that should only be used when NO CAL support is available, while OpenCL support is available.

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/results.php?hostid=5338308

201 (0xc9) EXIT_MISSING_COPROC


Claggy


Are you referring to the two tasks which it claims I aborted?

Yes, your GPU isn't OpenCL capable, while the apps that use that planclass only use OpenCL.

Claggy

That is a neat trick. With all of the various methods that were required to send jobs to the right ATI cards there must have been a hole in the logic somewhere. I am sure the guys in the lab will look forward to sniffing that one out.
2532) Message boards : Number crunching : Finally?!? (Message 1560745)
Posted 22 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Connected my old laptop too, a few weeks ago. Aborted the 2011 tasks on it, didn't get any new ones, which is good because the harddisk on that computer is practically dead. I just want to make one remark with my post, I loved the 6.10.43 version of Boinc on it, as it is much more detailed than the current version. Anyone knows if I can still get the older version back?

http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/?C=M;O=A

Personally I like the older BOINC Manager so I use the older Manager with the newer client.
If you need help with that I did a little write up when 6.12 came out.
2533) Message boards : Number crunching : Finally?!? (Message 1560736)
Posted 22 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Looks like you just got 1 AP task to chew on.
2534) Message boards : Number crunching : Will the optimised apps still be faster with my old C2Q? (Message 1560727)
Posted 22 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Your 2nd paragraph was over my head but thx anyway ;), roger on the Xeons though.

Juan
Ok thx, what a PITA! ;)
Nothing like old SETISpy to show ARs then? :(

And for some reason my stats are now showing 'anonymous platform' for both CPU & GPU....

There might be an app somewhere, but you can just look at your returned result.
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/result.php?resultid=3693821319
Then look for: WU true angle range is : 0.448223. With 0.42 being around normal AR.
2535) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (89) Server Problems? (Message 1560562)
Posted 22 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I looks like APs will not be split in a day or so.

Indeed. That seems to be our current cycle. Load in new data. We consume all of the AP by Friday/Saturday. Then caches whittle down, or switch to MB, until the next set of data is loaded. Luckily for me my machines are slow enough they never run out of MB or AP work it seems.

This is probably due to the fact that 3 AP splitters have been working on 1 file before all 3 move to another file, instead of each splitter doing its own separate file, during this AP feeding secession.

Cheers.

I have not understood why splitters would work on one data set when there are plenty of free ones for each splitter to work on its own. Perhaps it is faster for splitters to team up one one data set?
Whatever the case it doesn't seem to effect their output. AP RTS is at 25K. Which seems to be its cap like that of MB around 300K.

I have no idea why those AP splitters are doing what they are doing now, but this time we were a lot longer reaching that 25,000 mark than in previous weeks.

Cheers.

The lines on the haveland stats look like we got there a tiny bit faster this week, but the resolution on the weekly graph could be misleading.
The fact that the mysterious forces that govern the splitters have seen fit to keep them working is the important part I think. Hopefully they will not require sacrificing hardware to keep them happy. I have not seen anyone talking about their hardware going up in smoke recently. With luck it shall stay that way.
2536) Message boards : Number crunching : SETI@Home Wow!-Event 2014 (Message 1560559)
Posted 22 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The Wow!-Event is going on, but the registration page is disabled.

Everything went right for 2.5 events but yesterday the Wow lost its innocence. Until then, it wasn't hard to subscribe, even for other accounts. But yesterday afternoon, somebody found funny to register new crunchers every minute (randomly in different teams and different groups, so I can't and don't want to speculate about the culprit).

However, as I'm working during the Wow, I don't have time to loose on a wild goose chase, the registering form has been deactivated (and will stay like this this year). For the next event, we will need to find a new way of registering.

In this context, about 80 crunchers were deleted (I try to verify the registrations and I hope I didn't delete honest and interested crunchers).

I'm really sorry for that but we have enough honest crunchers this year, and really, there was enough time to register before. What we have achieved doesn't have to be weakened by a false record of members.


Sorry for crossposting in news thread.

Sad news to hear. :/
Perhaps a form of CAPTCHA may help if it was automated. I normally have to do 3 or 4 to pass one anyway. I swear I am human!

Thanks for your efforts.
2537) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (89) Server Problems? (Message 1560414)
Posted 22 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I looks like APs will not be split in a day or so.

Indeed. That seems to be our current cycle. Load in new data. We consume all of the AP by Friday/Saturday. Then caches whittle down, or switch to MB, until the next set of data is loaded. Luckily for me my machines are slow enough they never run out of MB or AP work it seems.

This is probably due to the fact that 3 AP splitters have been working on 1 file before all 3 move to another file, instead of each splitter doing its own separate file, during this AP feeding secession.

Cheers.

I have not understood why splitters would work on one data set when there are plenty of free ones for each splitter to work on its own. Perhaps it is faster for splitters to team up one one data set?
Whatever the case it doesn't seem to effect their output. AP RTS is at 25K. Which seems to be its cap like that of MB around 300K.
2538) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (89) Server Problems? (Message 1560401)
Posted 22 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I looks like APs will not be split in a day or so.

Indeed. That seems to be our current cycle. Load in new data. We consume all of the AP by Friday/Saturday. Then caches whittle down, or switch to MB, until the next set of data is loaded. Luckily for me my machines are slow enough they never run out of MB or AP work it seems.
2539) Message boards : Number crunching : SETI@Home Wow!-Event 2014 (Message 1560393)
Posted 22 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I was actually also thinking that awards go to Top 3 overall, Top 3 for their nations and maybe Top x (debatable) inside teams - if a minimum number of members participated for nation/team.

The groups I didn't even know what to do with, so I just joined the one already having a member of my team.

It only dawned much later on me that those are the 12 sky constellations used for astrology/horoscopes ;)
(and I thought astrology and astronomy doesn't go together too well *g*)

Doesn't astronomy still use astrological references to describe where things are located in the sky? Such as the Virgo Cluster.
2540) Message boards : Number crunching : Lunatics Windows Installer v0.42 Release Notes (Message 1559740)
Posted 20 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I need a quick advice for a team member :

He's running a Mobility Radeon HD5470 on a Win7 Notebook (intel i3 M330 CPU) and encountered errored out/abandoned AP Workunits after installing the v0.42.

It being a mobile GPU, is there any known limitation of the Mobility HD5470 "Cedar" GPU concerning AP or OpenCL in general ?

I assume it should be able to run :
- AP CPU SSE3
- MB CPU SSE4.2
- AP GPU SSE2 OpenCL_ATI r2399
- MB GPU SSE OpenCL_ATI (HD4xxx I presume, since it's a mobile GPU that was apparently still based on the same older Mobility HD4xxx generation GPUs)

My system with basically the same specs, the HD6370 is just a renamed HD5470, had an issue as well. The r2399 is not compatible with some cards with small WG size like these. Even -tune command line does not seem to help. You can have them try the values I was given to see if it does work on their system. However, I expect not.

Either use older GPU app work wait for v7 app if -tune also does not work for them.
2541) Message boards : Number crunching : Will the optimised apps still be faster with my old C2Q? (Message 1559591)
Posted 20 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Anyone know if SSE 4.1 is the best for my CPU or not?

At one time the SSE4.1 app was fastest on Core 2 Duo system with very fast(overclocked) RAM. The best way to know for sure it to run each app on your system and compare them.

On my C2D E8400 I had the best results with the SSSE3 app.

At the moment I am comparing the SSE and AVX apps on my two i5-4670 systems to see if either shows a significant advantage to the other.
2542) Message boards : Number crunching : Bitcoin Utopia (a BOINC project) messing up credit system (Message 1559412)
Posted 20 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Interesting reading.
Don't know much about Bit coin.
Could this be used to supplement funds for Seti@Home ?

In theory they could setup a campaign so that the proceeds go to SETI@home like they have for other projects. There is currently one for MilkyWay@home for instance.
I could see the politics of the University not wanting to be associated with cryptocurrency possibly being an issue.
2543) Message boards : Number crunching : Gripes and Kudos IV (Message 1559394)
Posted 20 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Gripe: Tapes are split in alphanumerical order instead of FIFO.

Kudos: To the guys in the lab working on Sunday to crank up the MB splitters. So we may not have to worry about any stuck tapes reducing RTS to 0 for some time.
2544) Message boards : Number crunching : Seti@home @ ps3 (Message 1559392)
Posted 20 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
It looks like the apps are still up there, but they are very old. From the MB v5.x & AP v5.x days. So I'm not sure they are viable anymore.

They are for sure not, we are using now MB v7 and AP v6, AP v7 coming "soon".

Defiantly not for the project. For for some kind of benchmarking/system testing they could still have a use.
2545) Message boards : Number crunching : I Can't connect (Message 1559218)
Posted 20 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
It looks like it might be a permission issue based on this post with the same error.
https://boinc.berkeley.edu/dev/forum_thread.php?id=9116
2546) Message boards : Number crunching : Seti@home @ ps3 (Message 1558961)
Posted 19 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Is there still a way to run some boinc apps on the ps3? or is that option gone with the option to install linux?

If you have the newer firmware with the option removed then there is not. If you have an older unit with the older FW still on it. Then you can find a version of BOINC to run on it on Dotsch's site. It looks like the apps are still up there, but they are very old. From the MB v5.x & AP v5.x days. So I'm not sure they are viable anymore.

As far as BOINC in the PlayStation store to run on the system I am not sure that will ever happen. Unless Sony wants to fund it like HTC is/was doing for the android app. Also if they do it would probably only support the current PS4 hardware. Which is really just a PC with a custom OS on it.
2547) Message boards : Number crunching : Lunatics Windows Installer v0.42 Release Notes (Message 1558913)
Posted 18 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Maybe a bit optimistic but would it be possible to make a program that could test a card and come up with a command line specific for that card?

(Not that I could make that program ;))

The benchmark tools could be used to do that. It just would be done manually. Automating various command line settings wouldn't be that hard. Just stuff the values in an array and go through all of them. It might takes a few hours(days) to check them all, but you would have the best values for your hardware.
2548) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (89) Server Problems? (Message 1558874)
Posted 18 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Saw the splitters were not running for a bit earlier. Now it looks like 18fe09ag was removed from the queue & we have 7 splitters chewing on 6 sets of data.

Cool beans, innit?

I like my beans warm... in a tortilla with some cheese. :D

I wonder if they are going to leave the splitters in this configuration for a while. So they don't have to deal with every stuck tape as it happens.

I forget the nature of the disk i/o issue, but we shall blow up that bridge if we come to it again!

I really don't understand just why the additional splitters have not always been enabled. I mean, if they have nothing to do, they automajically idle. There are many times in the past where, such as coming back up from outage, the additional capacity to refill the RTS queue would be a very good thing.

There was some issue related to disk i/o with to many splitters running at once. Not leaving the free disk i/o for other things like transferring data to the download servers or such.
Whatever the issue was might have been overcome and no one flipped the other splitters back on. Who knows? Let's just sit back and see if anything breaks!
2549) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (89) Server Problems? (Message 1558872)
Posted 18 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Saw the splitters were not running for a bit earlier. Now it looks like 18fe09ag was removed from the queue & we have 7 splitters chewing on 6 sets of data.

Cool beans, innit?

I like my beans warm... in a tortilla with some cheese. :D

I wonder if they are going to leave the splitters in this configuration for a while. So they don't have to deal with every stuck tape as it happens.

I forget the nature of the disk i/o issue, but we shall blow up that bridge if we come to it again!
2550) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (89) Server Problems? (Message 1558856)
Posted 18 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Saw the splitters were not running for a bit earlier. Now it looks like 18fe09ag was removed from the queue & we have 7 splitters chewing on 6 sets of data.
2551) Message boards : Number crunching : Will the optimised apps still be faster with my old C2Q? (Message 1558819)
Posted 18 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Ah ok, well the 'cypress_xx_r1831' files have all returned, as has the v7 file, I can see no differences in the file name (old ones in recyc bin atm), yet the deletion worked!
Could the files be different versions with identical names??


Yes of course.

I suggest to use the installer since more recent apps are more mature.

Which installer? I've already got the most recent none beta version of BOINC....

Oh & I agree that new binaries should be installed when the driver's changed, what a PITA! :P

They are referring to the Lunatics Windows Installer v0.42 for the optimized applications.
2552) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (89) Server Problems? (Message 1558732)
Posted 18 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
What could be wrong in my config ; where to look after ? What can I do to get GPU WU ? Ubuntu 14.04, two GTX780 with CUDA6, system works well with F@H. That one is stopped fully so system is dedicated to SETI right now.

There isn't a "stock" CUDA MB build for Linux. There is an AP build for it; if you've just signed up and are not using "anonymous platform" you will get AP jobs when they are available, but as you can see there aren't any available at the moment.

They might like to see list of stock applications. It can be found:
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/apps.php
2553) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (89) Server Problems? (Message 1558726)
Posted 18 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Our 18fe09ag tape aparently is stuck again.

Yes it looks like it was stuck again very soon after being poked yesterday, as we have been saying.
2554) Message boards : Number crunching : Question about GPU usage and optimized apps (Message 1558724)
Posted 18 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Optimized apps are probably the best way to go. If you want to use them or the stock apps you can create a app_config.xml to control the number of tasks the GPUs run to fully utilize your computers resources.
2555) Message boards : Number crunching : Will the optimised apps still be faster with my old C2Q? (Message 1558720)
Posted 18 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Installed 13.12, rebooted, still get driver lock ups about every 30-60s :(.

Did you do a full removal of the old Cat 13.1 or just install the new one over the top?
You can use
http://www.guru3d.com/files-details/display-driver-uninstaller-download.html
to get all of the old driver bits out of the system.
2556) Message boards : Number crunching : Will the optimised apps still be faster with my old C2Q? (Message 1558695)
Posted 18 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I would of thought the standard app would of been properly optimised for my old Core 2 Quad (SSE 4.1) by now, & so the optimised app would make no difference, am I wrong?

Whilst I'm at it, the other question is whether my HD 5850 would benefit from an optimised app?

For the stock app they try to make it generic as possible so that that the same exe will run on most systems. So kind of greater compatibility & less optimized.
The highest level extension may not always be the fastest on your machine. So if you want to install the optimized apps you can try each one to find the best run times for your system.
2557) Message boards : Number crunching : It is official! 15th Seti Anni Shirts are a go. (Message 1558691)
Posted 18 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Across the armpit is how I measured for someone in the other thread. If I purchased clothes that fit correctly. I would probably be a medium or large if I bought shirts that fit correctly, but for t-shirts I like to get XL. Then over time they shrink a bit to fit better or are just kind of baggy. Which I like anyway.

I got 2. So I could wear one and then keep the other.

Thanks Hal

That link actually takes you to the top of the thread (making your post hard to find as it's right down the bottom of the page) so for those interested XL is:

Across at the armpit/sleeve seam: 60CM
Top to bottom: 78CM

Now I just need to get a tape measure, and measure my shirts (never had to do it before).

Odd it takes me to the message. There might be a delay while the thread loads.
Do either one of these links work better for you than the other?
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=72937&postid=1535652#1535652
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=72937&postid=1535652
2558) Message boards : Number crunching : CUDA Versions (Message 1558435)
Posted 17 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The iGPU is fast enough, but the testing I have done with Haswell so far has shown that running it with CPU work about doubles the run time of the CPU tasks.

Will be interesting to see if DX12 (on hardware that can make use of it) makes a difference for crunching. One of the features of DX12 is it is meant to significantly lower CPU usage while providing even better graphic performance. For integrated GPUs where the entire CPU/GPU package has a thermal limit reducing the CPU usage will allow greater iGPU clock speeds.

DX12 CPU/iGPU power usage
Click on the DX11/12 buttons to compare performance & power usage.
In the Demo displayed, DX12 gave a 74% boost in video performance compared to DX11 just from reducing the CPU load, allowing the iGPU to rampup further.[/url]

THe iGPU wasn't really CPU heavy while processing. It is probably just a limitation of the design that uses shared cache between the CPU & GPU cores. With the Bay Trail not having the issue due to a different cache design.
2559) Message boards : Number crunching : CUDA Versions (Message 1558366)
Posted 17 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
At the bottom of precision x you will see the precision log with 3 displays. If you double click anywhere on it, it will open up a new window with multiple stats to view. You can run the built in GPU on your chip, but from what I've heard it's not worth it if you have GPUs via the PCIe. Using it tends to slow down the dedicated GPUs from what I've read. Most that have dedicated GPUs don't tend to use it. If you search the threads you will find what I talk about. If that's the only GPU you have them it's fine to use it, others I'd suggest you concentrate on the dedicated GPUs. My 2 cents

Zalster


Thanks. Should have tried that. And your advice about the iGPU along with advice from others is cause enough for me to shy away from any effort there; as I'm told, "Just not worth the effort".

The iGPU is fast enough, but the testing I have done with Haswell so far has shown that running it with CPU work about doubles the run time of the CPU tasks. I have not run "iGPU + PCIe GPU w/o CPU" as a test as of yet.
2560) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (89) Server Problems? (Message 1558364)
Posted 17 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Now we need to follow the tape (18fe09ag)to see if he stuck again.

Aparently the actual production of 28WU/sec is enought to keep the RTS buffer rissing.

An average of just 25/sec would be good up to 90k/hr. With all the splitters going I expect we will be hitting the limits of the disk array. I'm not sure they can handle much more than 100k/hr, but let's see what happens! We are only running about 85k/hr now.
2561) Message boards : Number crunching : SIV64 (Message 1558325)
Posted 17 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Oh no I didn't mean to imply that to you. I simply didn't understand.
But still, I have to question; when will the analysis begin? Do we have to take it on faith that someday it will begin. This confuses me. Help!

I have no timetable. But I know it is not on the way back burner.

Meow!

I think it was mentioned in Jan or Feb they had plans to get some of that stuff on track for this year, but the funds/resources never materialized.
I am guessing that it was specific grants or other funding that didn't come through.
2562) Message boards : Number crunching : Cosmology@home?????????? (Message 1558320)
Posted 17 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I think the BOINC forum has a section about down projects and such. Have you tried there yet?
2563) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (89) Server Problems? (Message 1558211)
Posted 17 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The splitters were bumped several times over the week, but 18fe09ag is a particularly difficult problem child.


Was it? I thought no one touched 18fe09ag at all & the only reason it is at 3 is due to weekly maintenance.

Pretty sure it was bumped 2, maybe 3, times prior to the weekly maintenance.

You are right, they kicj the tape several times but only before the manteinance, after no, i report that serveral time and nobody makes nothing. No forgive-me i get an answer, it was: Pacience Juan. That was few days ago and the dam tape still stuck until now at least (just check). So the RTS buffer allready downs from 300k to 104K and the creation rate is in the range of 21/sec not enought.

I believe you are thinking of 23ja09aa. Which was kicked repeatedly until it finally finished. 18fe09ag Became stuck and then claimed a 2nd splitter. However those were released during maintenance & it has been stuck on 3 since then.

In any event we are down to about 10,000 RTS now. Good luck!
2564) Message boards : Number crunching : A warning regarding Avira Antivir Free Edition (Message 1558209)
Posted 17 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have heard of this "anti virus software", but I don't touch the stuff myself.
2565) Message boards : Number crunching : CUDA Versions (Message 1558207)
Posted 17 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Oh, *lol*...

I never looked there for this figure - as when I was setting all those GPUs up, they naturally hadn't a single Result done yet ;)

Maybe that's something that could be included into a future Lunatics reference document.
(I do remember searching hours for "Compute Units" of the GTX 750ti (actually didn't find it), GT610 and GT720M. That's likely why I eventually just used 'high performance defaults should so' on the 750ti ;) )

There doesn't seem to be a universal/fixed Cuda Cores / X = Compute Units formular or rule of thumb. If there is, that would help alot as well.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_nvidia_GPUs#GeForce_700_Series
Look at SMX count.

For ATI it seems you divide shader count by 80.
2566) Message boards : Number crunching : SETI@Home Wow!-Event 2014 (Message 1558028)
Posted 17 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Wow Gemini has rushed from 7th to 3rd place.

Can Capricornus keep their place at 2nd... Stay tuned to find out!
2567) Message boards : Number crunching : It is official! 15th Seti Anni Shirts are a go. (Message 1558025)
Posted 17 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Sizes available are Youth M and L, Adults S, M, L, XL, XXL, 3XL, 4XL, 5XL and 6XL.


Hmmm, I don't know how "standardised" those sizes are ...

For example, in Australia (which has a different "standard" for shoes, clothes, etc. than the US or Europe in the first place) I can walk into the same shop and buy two XL shirts from two different manufacturers and walk away with one that is too big, and the other being too small, despite both being XL.

Love the idea, and would love to get one, but which one ???

Ps: shirt width (at the armpits) while flat I think is a better measure of shirt size than chest "size" or circumference because some people prefer a more loose fitting shirt than others, but then again different fabrics shrink by different amounts after washing as well (which just adds more uncertainty) ...

That's why I never bought clothes online before. I know most people would buy it to help support the project, and assist with fund raising, but I would prefer a coffee mug to be honest (a 250 mL mug tells me much more than a "medium" sized mug).

Just some feedback, not criticism.

Across the armpit is how I measured for someone in the other thread. If I purchased clothes that fit correctly. I would probably be a medium or large if I bought shirts that fit correctly, but for t-shirts I like to get XL. Then over time they shrink a bit to fit better or are just kind of baggy. Which I like anyway.

I got 2. So I could wear one and then keep the other.
2568) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (89) Server Problems? (Message 1558021)
Posted 17 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The splitters were bumped several times over the week, but 18fe09ag is a particularly difficult problem child.


Was it? I thought no one touched 18fe09ag at all & the only reason it is at 3 is due to weekly maintenance.
2569) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (89) Server Problems? (Message 1558002)
Posted 16 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Yep, it would appear that if nothing changes, MB RTS will leave a smoking crater in the ground sometime Monday evening or Tuesday morning...

Might be before that, at the current rate of decline.

I was thinking along similar lines.
As less AP work is in progress, the amount of MB work increases.
MB results returned per hour had been sitting around 60,000 & that kept the Ready-to-send buffer pretty much steady. Once it hit 65,000 then the buffer started shrinking, now's up around 76,000 & it's really starting to fall.

But alas, I've not been granted remote access to the servers. Now wouldn't that be something?

Didn't Matt or Eric tell us once that to have an extra employee full time would be around 100-150k/yr? Then we could pester them constantly!

My original guestimation was for around 19:00 UTC Monday for the RTS to go dry. However the return rate keeps going up at a small but steady rate. Plus there have been a few sudden drops. So if we go dry Sunday night I would not be surprised.

Crunch em if you got em!
2570) Message boards : Number crunching : Lunatics Windows Installer v0.42 Release Notes (Message 1557947)
Posted 16 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

Sorry, but i don't know of any profiling application, which runs standalone and has an user interface suitable for laymens. :/


CodeXL for ATi, Nsight for NV.
Still have to find free good profiler for iGPU though.

EDIT: not for laymans perhaps though. But then продвинутые опции comes in play. Perhaps I need to write in own native language instead of english next time, to make it more clear if english "advanced" word not comprehendable :-/

I think instead of "advanced" it is more "developer" option. Unless you are developer, or reading the code like one, you probably do not understand what the option is actually doing.

Нет проблем, исправлю на "для разработчиков"

Yes, exactly!
2571) Message boards : Number crunching : Lunatics Windows Installer v0.42 Release Notes (Message 1557925)
Posted 16 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

Sorry, but i don't know of any profiling application, which runs standalone and has an user interface suitable for laymens. :/


CodeXL for ATi, Nsight for NV.
Still have to find free good profiler for iGPU though.

EDIT: not for laymans perhaps though. But then продвинутые опции comes in play. Perhaps I need to write in own native language instead of english next time, to make it more clear if english "advanced" word not comprehendable :-/

I think instead of "advanced" it is more "developer" option. Unless you are developer, or reading the code like one, you probably do not understand what the option is actually doing.
2572) Message boards : Number crunching : SETI@Home Wow!-Event 2014 (Message 1557867)
Posted 16 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Personally I like the information.
It is like those that compete in the Olympics under no country. They group together & fly the Olympic flag in the place of a country. In the spirit of fun & competition.


They didn't choose a team to begin with-they obviously didn't want a team. Grouping them onto a team they didn't request is unethical and invalidates the results of the race

You could choose to mentally exclude them from the results?
Has this issue been raised the previous 2 years?
Perhaps request that in the future that those with no team be listed with team name of user?
2573) Message boards : Number crunching : Lunatics Windows Installer v0.42 Release Notes (Message 1557865)
Posted 16 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
-tune N Mx My Mz
FFA_FETCH_WG=1,
FFA_COMPARE_WG=2


It is not 100% clear to me but is work group size calculated by Mx * My * Mz or is Mz for another use? It would make sense to me if -tune 1 8 8 8 = WG size 512.
Setting value for N sets the function to use fetch vs compare? This would be more "Try each and see if one is better for your hardware"?
2574) Message boards : Number crunching : SETI@Home Wow!-Event 2014 (Message 1557863)
Posted 16 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Kind of frustrating that the #1 says "No Team". If someone doesn't want to join a team you don't put them all on a team called "No Team"

I agree...
It's rather misleading that those who wish to freelance get grouped together as a team to compete against those who are organized into a true team.

Thumbs down from the kitties on that one.

Personally I like the information.
It is like those that compete in the Olympics under no country. They group together & fly the Olympic flag in the place of a country. In the spirit of fun & competition.
2575) Message boards : Number crunching : Apple Graphic Processor options (Message 1557477)
Posted 15 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Currently the math we do here is only single precision.
There are some MAC people around that are better qualified to answer specif questions, but you may find this link useful.
http://architosh.com/2013/10/the-mac-pro-so-whats-a-d300-d500-and-d700-anyway-we-have-answers/

I found that when I was trying to figure out what GPU they were actually using.
2576) Message boards : Number crunching : Lunatics Windows Installer v0.42 Release Notes (Message 1557475)
Posted 15 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

Well, I think we've drifted far enough away from relevance to the thread. My original question was, can I set Boinc for delayed start so it will find the GPU. The answer is, yes, I can set it for delayed start, but it still doesn't find the GPU so there's no point. I also looked briefly into making the video driver start at startup instead of at login, but I wasn't able to do that. (I didn't put a major effort into it, though.)

If you can do that Microsoft would like to have a word with you.

I have apps from v0.42 running on all of my machines with the exception of my 1 low end mobile ATI GPU.
Seems there are some GPU with max work group size of 128 that ignore -tune command & will be unable to run AP v6 r2399 application.
If you have such a GPU you might want to head over the beta & see if test app works or if there is a different issue.

Remember that the test app at Beta, and the development work being put into it, are for Astropulse v7 only. It will not be usable here until the whole AP v7 application transfer has taken place.

(I know you wouldn't be thinking of doing that, HAL, but just pre-empting anyone who might have thought they'd spotted a possibility)


I should have included that note as well. My thinking is that apps on SETI@home Beta are only for SETI@home Beta, but I have been doing software testing as my job for 15 some odd years. So my line of thinking might not be the same as everyone else.
2577) Message boards : Number crunching : Lunatics Windows Installer v0.42 Release Notes (Message 1557336)
Posted 15 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

Well, I think we've drifted far enough away from relevance to the thread. My original question was, can I set Boinc for delayed start so it will find the GPU. The answer is, yes, I can set it for delayed start, but it still doesn't find the GPU so there's no point. I also looked briefly into making the video driver start at startup instead of at login, but I wasn't able to do that. (I didn't put a major effort into it, though.)

If you can do that Microsoft would like to have a word with you.

I have apps from v0.42 running on all of my machines with the exception of my 1 low end mobile ATI GPU.
Seems there are some GPU with max work group size of 128 that ignore -tune command & will be unable to run AP v6 r2399 application.
If you have such a GPU you might want to head over the beta & see if test app works or if there is a different issue.
2578) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (89) Server Problems? (Message 1557318)
Posted 15 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Ok guy´s very soon we will see if is to be in panic or no.

This round of tapes for AP splitting are allmost at the end (just 7 channels to do)

Soon (in few hours at most, still are about 20k of AP WU in the buffer) we will be out of new AP WU for a while and all the duty will be on the hands of the MB spliters and our 5 days old stuck tape.

And since the WOW event starts today i imagine a lot of users will transfer their processing power for other projest to SETI so that will be an interesting moment to follow.

If we use Results returned in the last hour as an indicator of demand. With the average returned for the past month being 64100. Then average demand is about 17.8055 per second. Meaning an average splitter output as little as 18 per second is more than enough. With 4 splitters the average output seems to be running 18.75 and rising.
Splitting VHAR seems to slow the splitting down for some reason. So if we get a bunch of tapes full of shorties, which would also drive up demand, or another splitter goes down we should be alright.
2579) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (89) Server Problems? (Message 1557085)
Posted 15 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Was anybody able to contact the lab and talk about the dam 18fe09ag tape?


Patience Juan....Eric is out of town. It may need to wait until he gets back.

Seriusly? He is the only at the lab? I don´t belive...

There is a very small number of people that work the lab & I believe only Matt and Eric are the only 2 that know how to it correct the issue at hand. Please correct me if I am wrong.

I'm sure Dr. Anderson could figure it out, but I expect he wouldn't touch it unless everything had crashed. Even if the RTS buffer gets depleted from reduced splitter capacity. The project is still up and running. Just not at full capacity. Some requests for new work would be answered and some would not.

As far as I know Eric, Matt, and Jeff are the only people that do work for the SETI@home project. Which is only part time of their focus. Jeff seems to be the least talkative of them. So I'm not sure if he is less involved or is there even less than the other guys.
2580) Message boards : Number crunching : analysis of astropulse wu results for ETI? (Message 1556871)
Posted 14 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Are you asking if the data we are analyzing for SETI@home is related to searching for extra terrestrial intelligence?
On the main page there is a link About Astropulse. Which includes the scientific details of what astropulse hopes to find.
2581) Message boards : Number crunching : Beta Site Down... (Message 1556709)
Posted 14 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The Seti Beta Status page is broken now.

Claggy

Since 5 years ago .......

Well it is even more broken than normal currently. Being mostly blank.
2582) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (89) Server Problems? (Message 1556707)
Posted 14 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The answer to all our problems is simple: kick the dam 18fe09ag tape and you all will see the MB cache fill very fast.

Can anyone ping the lab people to at least verify why this splitter is stuck at the #3 channel after 3 days?

The WOW event start tomorrow and in about a day we will running out of new AP WU so the MB cache will need to be read to handle all the requests.

With WOW event demand may be greater than normal. It would certainly make things interesting.

It looks like the tapes are being processed in FIFO order instead of alphanumerical order. So after sitting in the queue since at least May(maybe April) 31au13aa, 31au13ac, & 31mr13ae may actually get processed!
2583) Message boards : Number crunching : SETI@Home Wow!-Event 2014 (Message 1556699)
Posted 14 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I thought this was starting today. Until I realized that the 15th was Friday. Doh!
2584) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (89) Server Problems? (Message 1556681)
Posted 14 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I´m not sure about that. Why? Simply because the slow down of the splitting process happening before the AP frenzy starts, the problem starts when any tape is stuck. At that time 3 days ago there where no AP splitters running, just remember the last monday.

On the contrary when we have AP spliting the intensity of the problem is smaller because less hosts ask for MB WU, releasing some of the remaining MB splitters workload.

A simple kick o the stuck WU normaly clears the problem. What i can understand why that is not automatic.

Before maintenance 4 splitters were keeping RTS around 300,000. With it falling and rising a bit. However once the stuck tape had a 2nd splitter on it RTS dropped quickly. There were around 40K RTS by the time maintenance stared. For whatever reason splitting shorties also seemed to slow down the process & the average output has also picked up a little.
Of course the AP going out is also helpful for building the MB queue up, but I wouldn't put all of my money on it alone. As AP RTS started growing after MB RTS was already doing so.
2585) Message boards : Number crunching : Gripes and Kudos IV (Message 1556678)
Posted 14 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Kudos - To the Lunatics team.

+1 :)

Gripe : No S@H stats on BOINCstats for yesterday


You have to WAIT until they actually run. The timestamp is local Berkeley time or around 20:00 UTC. Stats were generated for the 13th at the same time as normal.
2586) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (89) Server Problems? (Message 1556516)
Posted 14 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
From Moving on... (Apr 08 2013)
"...it seems that our result storage server can't handle much higher a load."

Maybe time for another specific fund raiser?

I think the current hardware priority is for the Green Bank recorder stuff, but that might be finished. There have not been any updates in a while on http://www.gpuug.org/ about the status.
If that is complete they may have other needs that are more important then a faster disk array.

On the plus side MB RTS is growing once again!
2587) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (89) Server Problems? (Message 1556512)
Posted 14 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
A few things I'm curious about that msattler with his contacts may be able to get information on.

1 There are 7 PFB splitters, but I have only ever seen 5 of them running. PFB splitters 0 & 14 are always disabled. Any particular reason?
2 There are SAH Validate & SAH validate (v7) validators, as well as SAH assimilator & SAH assimilator (v7) assimilators. I'm guessing the ones without (v7) are for the older applications, and I'm pretty sure they've finally cleared all of the old WUs out.
Wouldn't removing those older Validators & assimilators free up resources? That would allow for more PFB splitters, and also allow them to run.

Things will still get stuck, but if there were 10 PFB splitters running we could lose half of them & it would have no effect on work availability. As things are, just losing one can be enough to stop the Ready-to-send buffer from re-filling & limit work available for download.

From Moving on... (Apr 08 2013)
"...it seems that our result storage server can't handle much higher a load."

Since the old validators/assimilators are not doing any work. So just sit idle taking up little to no resources that would be of use.
2588) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (89) Server Problems? (Message 1556320)
Posted 13 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
To makes things even worse. The other splitters that are not stuck seem to be moving through mud or something. The same other 4 tapes have been at it since we came back yesterday. Normally they would have ripped though those tapes and started at the top where the finished AP tapes are long ago.
2589) Message boards : Number crunching : Can I force 2 hosts to merge? (Message 1556184)
Posted 13 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Unless you have aborted the tasks associated with the old host ID there is no need to do that. Process them & they get moved to the new ID as I explained before.

The task shows as In Progress on the old host ID task list.

But that is exactly the problem, they will be never been procecced the old host not exist anymore on my computer, my computer only shows the new host ID and their asociated tasks, the old host exist only on the Boinc server, that´s why i´m looking for a way to merge both hosts.

Ok, it wasn't clear to me that you only had tasks for new host ID.

There are instructions for How to revert to an older HostID number.
2590) Message boards : Number crunching : Can I force 2 hosts to merge? (Message 1556181)
Posted 13 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
There is a way to revert to an old host id.,

it involves editing the Clent_state.xml and changing the host id back, and the number of contacts to a number a couple higher than what the website says.

Claggy

I like the ideia, you knows where i could find the instructions?

<edit> Or maybe if there easy, i could simply have a way to tell Boinc something like: This host not exist anymor so you could release the WU still on his cache to another to be crunched? Something like we do when we detach the host from the project, but i can´t do that since i can´t access the old host anymore.

Unless you have aborted the tasks associated with the old host ID there is no need to do that. Process them & they get moved to the new ID as I explained before.
2591) Message boards : Number crunching : Can I force 2 hosts to merge? (Message 1556174)
Posted 13 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Boinc creates yesterday 3 ghosts of some of my hosts, why have no ideia and realy don´t have time to find why. I belive that happening due a mistake in a reinstalation.

But now i have the same hosts apearing with 2 diferent ID for example: ID: 7359727 is exactly the same host as ID: 7346394.

I try to merge them with the host merge command and the Boinc said they are not compatible! Why no if they are the same?

Is there any way to manualy force the merge? I´m totaly sure they are the same host.

Still WU avaiable to crunch on both hosts (sorry wingmens) and the new created hosts have the old problem the estimated crunching time it´s extreamely inflated. So if i could not merge the host i will loose the cached WU and will take days to the new hosts completion times estabilize.

Any help is apreciated.

I have had that happen where I was unable to merge hosts. The odd, or neat, thing I ran into was the tasks for the old host ID were still on the system & when reported, pending/inconclusive/valid, they were put under the new ID.

When you get the error about incompatible there is normally another message. I think in this case it would be "overlapping time" or something to that effect.
2592) Message boards : Number crunching : data and distance for pulses in space (Message 1556049)
Posted 13 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
From what I understand we are looking for a carrier signal more than an actual message.
I am unsure of the distance the frequencies we are observing might be viable.
2593) Message boards : Number crunching : Show and tell your machine. Here's mine. (Message 1555897)
Posted 12 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Just took delivery of these boxes. Each box contains a 2U rack-mount chassis. Each chassis contains four independent servers. Each server contains two 10-core Xeons (with hyperthreading) and 128 GB of RAM. So, 4x4x2x10x2=640 threads...
Unfortunately I can't run s@h on them, they're for our particle-physics GRID-computing data centre.
But watch this space.
There's got to be a way to hang a bunch GPUs off of them. Send one my way and I'll figure it out. I'll pay for shipping and the electric bill somehow.

Not easily. Cramming four sleds into a 2U rack-unit means there's no space for a double-width PCI-e slot. But fear not, I said to watch this space and today I got word that on Friday I'll take delivery of essentially the same chassis, but with two of these instead, with the same basic specs, and they are definitely designed to take GPUs or coprocessors. And it will be totally under my control; I typically run "stress-testing" software on such systems with the full knowledge of my manager. I'll be retiring two older systems as I bring this online, but they have a total RAC of only 1,500 between them (my Jetson is already up to 630 after only seven days). I'm also eyeing a disk server I've just inherited (out of warranty) and installed as a (20 TB) data-store and archive unit, which has eight cores currently mostly idle...

You just need some external PCIe enclosures for those servers.
2594) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (88) Server Problems? (Message 1555794)
Posted 12 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Now let's see if 18fe09ag gets stuck on the 3rd channel. Maybe it will take off like the other tape did (once it was kicked enough).
2595) Message boards : Number crunching : How close am I to the next badge? (Message 1555765)
Posted 12 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I see we gots badges everywhere.....

Not sure I care for that !! Anyway to turn them off, other than to stop crunching!!!

I doubt it.
They don't bother OR excite me much.
I mean, when a 13k-14k RAC gets you the same badge as a 600k RAC, it's kinda a shrug for me.
They'd need a .001% level badge or sumpthin'....LOL.

How about a 0.1% Platinum badge?

Cheers.

0.1% Platinum
0.01% Titanium
0.001% Diamond
0.0001% Unobtainium


Oooh...I like that one!


0.0001% Would require 1,000,000 active users, but the breakdown for our 124670 users would be

0.0010% Diamond Rank 1
0.0100% Titanium Rank 12-2
0.1000% Platinum Rank 124-13
1.0000% Gold Rank 1246-125
5.0000% Silver Rank 6233-1247
25.0000% Bronze Rank 31167-6232
2596) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (88) Server Problems? (Message 1555723)
Posted 12 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Yesterday, I looked at the Cricket and saw a big jump. I thought, oh good, APs are flowing. Then I got to the SSP and saw that APs are not flowing. So what's all that data going out?

Probably the processed data going from the colo back to the lab. So they can free up space to dump more data to the colo.
2597) Message boards : Number crunching : contoling cuda tasks (Message 1555710)
Posted 12 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
HighTech67 If you look at the detail for one of your machines you will see
While BOINC running, % of time GPU work is allowed 0.00%
The features is implemented in BOINC, but the project has not flipped the switch to use it as of yet.

It could be that the feature is not fully ready yet or they have just chosen not to use it yet.


HAL9000, thank you. I had never noticed that.

The only reason I look that far down on that page is to set the location for a new computer and I have not done that for a while. Even then, I admit I don't pay attention to most of what is there.

Could that be a not yet fully implemented feature in the latest release of the BOINC server software? I have no idea when that was released as I don't have anything to do with any project except crunch and I don't do that very well. I think I need to thin my projects down.

The client has been tracking the information for a while. I think the 7.0.64 version I am suing is doing it as well. There might be something in the BOINC white papers as to why it is not being used yet, but I haven't felt like reading them.
2598) Message boards : Number crunching : Lunatics Windows Installer v0.42 Release Notes (Message 1555647)
Posted 12 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I want to give a BIG SHOUTOUT to all those who gave us this great new process to work with (toy to play with, sic). I do have one question - When will CUDA50 evolve to a 64-bit application, and will we see it in v0.43?

They have said in the past that native 64-bit app does not give any performance gain. So maybe once gains are present or development of 32-bit app is no longer viable?
2599) Message boards : Number crunching : contoling cuda tasks (Message 1555637)
Posted 12 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
HighTech67 If you look at the detail for one of your machines you will see
While BOINC running, % of time GPU work is allowed 0.00%
The features is implemented in BOINC, but the project has not flipped the switch to use it as of yet.

It could be that the feature is not fully ready yet or they have just chosen not to use it yet.
2600) Message boards : Number crunching : How close am I to the next badge? (Message 1555464)
Posted 12 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
just give Charles Long a badge that spans across multiple displays

With the current output level on the cricket graphs and no AP's, except for resends, maybe Charles is loading up for another stress test. ;-)

Cheers.

I figured that was just the data being moved form the storage array back to the lab so they could load up another set after maintenance.

That to me has also seemed to happen when the blue line peaks up. *shrugs*

Cheers.

I have noticed it as
Phase 1) The green goes up while the data goes back top the lab, freeing up disk space. Then the blue line goes up as they dump data to the array in the colo.
Phase 2)
Phase 3) Profit

Then again it could be none of those things. Such as moving data to one of the other servers they have in the colo.
2601) Message boards : Number crunching : How close am I to the next badge? (Message 1555457)
Posted 12 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
just give Charles Long a badge that spans across multiple displays

With the current output level on the cricket graphs and no AP's, except for resends, maybe Charles is loading up for another stress test. ;-)

Cheers.

I figured that was just the data being moved form the storage array back to the lab so they could load up another set after maintenance.
2602) Message boards : Number crunching : contoling cuda tasks (Message 1555438)
Posted 12 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have burned up a couple of GPU's by pushing them too hard. I haven't run CUDA for awhile but just got two new machines. I won't run CUDA on the laptop at all even though it's probably capable so I set up a special profile for it. Also stopped running CUDA on my AMD machine about a year ago because it was getting too hot. I don't have central air and the window unit is in another room so I thought I would try CUDA on my ASUS but only want to let CUDA run on nights that are fairly cool at least until October or so when it cools off. I thought to do that it would be best to let the machine finish crunching what it already had before getting new tasks.

I set it up last night and its working OK. Shouldn't be too much trouble just suspend the GPU during the day when I am using the machine then right before I quit let it run again. Whenever I want new GPU tasks I just need to set the preference so it will grab some more. I could just let it get tasks but I noticed that on my slower machine and my laptop Einstein was sending too many tasks and I ended up aborting the ones that weren't going to be finished by the deadline. I didn't want that to start happening with the CUDA since I will limit when they run. I probably need to check my profile over on Einstein and maybe see if I can cut back how many tasks I get.

I was actually doing this when CUDA first came out but could not remember exactly how I had set it up, so I asked justg to be sure I got it right.

There is a value "While BOINC running, % of time GPU work is allowed" that BOINC keeps track of. Once that feature is enabled here then BOINC should only request as much as you would actually finish. Much like it does for the system usage percentages.
2603) Message boards : Number crunching : How close am I to the next badge? (Message 1555434)
Posted 12 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I see we gots badges everywhere.....

Not sure I care for that !! Anyway to turn them off, other than to stop crunching!!!

I doubt it.
They don't bother OR excite me much.
I mean, when a 13k-14k RAC gets you the same badge as a 600k RAC, it's kinda a shrug for me.
They'd need a .001% level badge or sumpthin'....LOL.

How about a 0.1% Platinum badge?

Cheers.

0.1% Platinum
0.01% Titanium
0.001% Diamond
0.0001% Unobtainium
2604) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (88) Server Problems? (Message 1555342)
Posted 11 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
18fe09ag has claimed its 2nd splitter, I see this morning, so we'll just have to make do running on 3 splitters until someone kicks that file loose again.

Cheers.

I think 22fe09ah might be stuck as well, or it could just be running very slowly. Other tapes have advanced while it has not.

Whatever has happened, for the last 3 hours splitter output has been less than it has been. It's dropped from low 20s, to mid teens.
And as a result the Ready-to-send buffer is very, very slowly (at this stage) running down.

22fe09ah did finally start moving, but 18fe09ag has a hold of 2 splitters. So we are running on 3 out of 5 cylinders. We might just make it to maintenance, in about 16ish hours, without running dry. If no ones touches anything & nothing else goes wonky...
2605) Message boards : Number crunching : Lunatics Windows Installer v0.42 Release Notes (Message 1555336)
Posted 11 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The error occurred before tune param is in place.

How did you set it up ?

text file ?
Which order ?

I`ve tested 2399 with cards whith WG size of 128 and it worked with tune param.

I modified the ap_cmdline.txt file.
I used line as such.
-hp -tune 1 32 4 1
Using -hp because of slower i3 CPU. I can reorder or remove -hp if it could be issue.


Could you post or upload that file: C:\Users\\Temp\OCL760T5.cl

I had to fight system to get file. It was being deleted very quickly. I managed to capture it and have sent location in PM.
2606) Message boards : Number crunching : Lunatics Windows Installer v0.42 Release Notes (Message 1555329)
Posted 11 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The error occurred before tune param is in place.

How did you set it up ?

text file ?
Which order ?

I`ve tested 2399 with cards whith WG size of 128 and it worked with tune param.

I modified the ap_cmdline.txt file.
I used line as such.
-hp -tune 1 32 4 1
Using -hp because of slower i3 CPU. I can reorder or remove -hp if it could be issue.


Try it without hp switch.
If you need it put it after tune.
Also try it in appinfo because it should be earlier in place.

Looks like same error with <cmdline>-tune 1 32 4 1</cmdline> in app_info.xml and empty .txt file.
2607) Message boards : Number crunching : Lunatics Windows Installer v0.42 Release Notes (Message 1555312)
Posted 11 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The error occurred before tune param is in place.

How did you set it up ?

text file ?
Which order ?

I`ve tested 2399 with cards whith WG size of 128 and it worked with tune param.

I modified the ap_cmdline.txt file.
I used line as such.
-hp -tune 1 32 4 1
Using -hp because of slower i3 CPU. I can reorder or remove -hp if it could be issue.
2608) Message boards : Number crunching : Lunatics Windows Installer v0.42 Release Notes (Message 1555301)
Posted 11 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Is workgroup size of 256+ now a requirement for ATI AP app as well as MB app?

I noticed my HD6370m spits out this error when I try r2399.

Error : Building Program (source, clBuildProgram):main kernels: not OK code -11
"C:\Users\\Temp\OCL760T5.cl", line 1370: error: work group
          size exceeds the maximum default value for the selected device
  __kernel __attribute__((reqd_work_group_size(256, 1, 1))) 


The GPU does have Max work group size: 128. So maybe it is nearing end of usefulness.


If not solved still try
-oclFFT 64 8 128
in command line.


If i`m not mistaken oclfft is available in AP7 only (r2568 and later)

HAL 9000

Try -tune 1 16 8 1 or -tune 1 32 4 1.


Will give each of these a try when I get home from work and see what happens.


You have "Volunteer tester" tag.
Does your host able to complete current ATi 7.02 tasks on beta?

Did not have luck with the settings.
-oclFFT 64 8 128
-tune 1 32 4 1
-tune 1 16 8 1
-tune 2 16 8 1
Settings up Beta now.
2609) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (88) Server Problems? (Message 1555277)
Posted 11 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
18fe09ag has claimed its 2nd splitter, I see this morning, so we'll just have to make do running on 3 splitters until someone kicks that file loose again.

Cheers.

I think 22fe09ah might be stuck as well, or it could just be running very slowly. Other tapes have advanced while it has not.
2610) Message boards : Number crunching : Lunatics Windows Installer v0.42 Release Notes (Message 1555261)
Posted 11 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Is workgroup size of 256+ now a requirement for ATI AP app as well as MB app?

I noticed my HD6370m spits out this error when I try r2399.

Error : Building Program (source, clBuildProgram):main kernels: not OK code -11
"C:\Users\\Temp\OCL760T5.cl", line 1370: error: work group
          size exceeds the maximum default value for the selected device
  __kernel __attribute__((reqd_work_group_size(256, 1, 1))) 


The GPU does have Max work group size: 128. So maybe it is nearing end of usefulness.


If not solved still try
-oclFFT 64 8 128
in command line.


If i`m not mistaken oclfft is available in AP7 only (r2568 and later)

HAL 9000

Try -tune 1 16 8 1 or -tune 1 32 4 1.


Will give each of these a try when I get home from work and see what happens.


You have "Volunteer tester" tag.
Does your host able to complete current ATi 7.02 tasks on beta?

I don't have that machine attached to beta. It might be good idea with current development of AP 7 applications.
2611) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (88) Server Problems? (Message 1555205)
Posted 11 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Or as I suggested, yet another stuck tape.
It's happened before, it'll happen again. It would appear it's occured now.

The 18fe09ag aparentely is stuck at 1 after about a day or more.

Yeah that is the one we have been pointing at for the past 20 hours or so.

Has 17oc08ab been sitting on 2 splitters for a long time? I saw a tape using 2 before I went to lunch but I did not note the tape name.
2612) Message boards : Number crunching : Lunatics Windows Installer v0.42 Release Notes (Message 1555204)
Posted 11 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Is workgroup size of 256+ now a requirement for ATI AP app as well as MB app?

I noticed my HD6370m spits out this error when I try r2399.

Error : Building Program (source, clBuildProgram):main kernels: not OK code -11
"C:\Users\\Temp\OCL760T5.cl", line 1370: error: work group
          size exceeds the maximum default value for the selected device
  __kernel __attribute__((reqd_work_group_size(256, 1, 1))) 


The GPU does have Max work group size: 128. So maybe it is nearing end of usefulness.


If not solved still try
-oclFFT 64 8 128
in command line.


If i`m not mistaken oclfft is available in AP7 only (r2568 and later)

HAL 9000

Try -tune 1 16 8 1 or -tune 1 32 4 1.


Will give each of these a try when I get home from work and see what happens.
2613) Message boards : Number crunching : How close am I to the next badge? (Message 1555194)
Posted 11 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Guess you can use ad block capable browser to remove badges.

I use ad block to trim out such things from various sites. The down side is that removing them from the forum area will remove them form the user info as well. Since they use the same message.
I think placement after the under info, like other sites do it, would be better rather than next to the user name.
Perhaps a defined section under the flag area for them.

Having them next to the author in the thread listing is a bit annoying too.
2614) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (88) Server Problems? (Message 1555097)
Posted 11 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
MB average production is currently still greater than the average return rate. About the time AP in process drops below 80K demand for MB will increase & if a 2nd splitter gets stuck then we are really smurfed.
I would watch 22fe09ah to see if it gets stuck. It seems to be near the same time frame as the past 2 that have done so.
2615) Message boards : Number crunching : A word of warning about Nvidia driver 340.52 (Message 1555092)
Posted 11 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I find that running with 'use sleep' doubles my computation time.

Also 'CPU Park' in Windows 7 Pro is causing problems even though I have set Windows to High Performance. Have not found an answer to the park problem.

Running r2399 Nvidia and 340.52 Driver on GTS450.

I never had an issue with that once the High Performance profile was selected, but this might be helpful https://bitsum.com/about_cpu_core_parking.php
2616) Message boards : Number crunching : Lunatics Windows Installer v0.42 Release Notes (Message 1555077)
Posted 11 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Is workgroup size of 256+ now a requirement for ATI AP app as well as MB app?

I noticed my HD6370m spits out this error when I try r2399.

Error : Building Program (source, clBuildProgram):main kernels: not OK code -11
"C:\Users\\Temp\OCL760T5.cl", line 1370: error: work group
          size exceeds the maximum default value for the selected device
  __kernel __attribute__((reqd_work_group_size(256, 1, 1))) 


The GPU does have Max work group size: 128. So maybe it is nearing end of usefulness.
2617) Message boards : Number crunching : i7 4770K overheating when running seti@home (Message 1554842)
Posted 11 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I've found the best way to control temperature is decent system cooling. No need for software.


Mate, you live in the tropics (less than 1400 Kilometres from the equator) you need decent system cooling just to browse the web ;-)

I'm in Brisbane (3000 kilometres from the equator) and I can tell you BOINC could have fried my CPU if I didn't install ASUS PC Probe (it ran at almost 90 degrees Celsius with stock cooling).

I think BOINC really needs to rethink their policy of enabling 100% CPU usage, on all cores, 24/7, as the default installation settings (the average PC user isn't aware of their CPU temperatures, runs stock cooling/fans, and installs BOINC with default settings - this could potentially damage the CPUs of these people).

At the very least, I think BOINC should inform the user during setup that using BOINC using default settings may pose a risk of increasing CPU temperatures above manufacturer maximum specifications (which could damage their CPU), then it should allow people to select how much CPU time they want BOINC to use, finally it should place a shortcut on the desktop that could include general information on how to monitor your CPU temperature.

I think BOINC has an ethical responsibility to make this information easily available, easy enough to understand by the average user, BEFORE installation is made possible. It should also provide options to change default CPU settings DURING installation of the BOINC client.

Oh, and by the way, when I installed a CPU monitoring program and found the temperatures excessive I right clicked the system tray icon and clicked exit (to stop BOINC and reduce the CPU temperature) my Windows 7 Resource monitor showed that it was still being used 100% - I had to start BOINC again, click "snooze" (to stop all running tasks) THEN exit BOINC before my CPU usage went down from 100% to less than 5%.

It seems that just exiting BOINC isn't enough to stop some projects from happily crunching away anyway - how bizarre !!!

I think BOINC should seriously address this CPU overheating issue - it's beyond a joke as far as I am concerned.

Ps: this post is probably more appropriate in a BOINC forum, not a SETI forum (because it's not SETI's fault). Still, people should be aware that this could be a real problem.

You could check to see if others are raising these concerns over on the forums for BOINC http://boinc.berkeley.edu/. They have addresses concerns in the past. Such as adding the "Suspend work when non-BOINC CPU usage is above xx %". Perhaps it is time to have the set a lower default value for "On multiprocessors, use at most".

Having a way to monitor the system temperatures can be tricky & not all system/motherboard manufactures include the resources to do this. Another issue can be the accuracy of the software. You can have several different applications running each giving you a different value for your component temperatures. With none of them being accurate.

As far as BOINC closing when you exit the manager. It does by default. There is an option to tell it to leave BOINC running in the background when closing the manager. You have probably unchecked the option so it leaves BOINC running & disabled the the "Enable Manager exit dialog" option. Which you can reenable from the Advanced > Options menu.
2618) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (88) Server Problems? (Message 1554772)
Posted 10 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Yet another stuck tape?
MB splitter output once again has taken a hit. From high 20s/low 30s it's back down to barely hitting 20/s.

I wonder if they are just not creating shorties. As the splitter are running nearly constantly instead of the normal on/off mode. Average output looks to be about the same for running constantly at a lower output rate vs on/off with times of greater output.
http://setistats.haveland.com/sah_creation.html

I think 18fe09ag might have been at 1 for a while actually. So perhaps we should keep an eye on that one.
If it get stuck also. does that point to there being an issue with the recorder in the Jan-Feb '09 time frame?
2619) Message boards : Number crunching : WU distribution on mixed GPU setup? (Message 1554607)
Posted 10 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
WHen you run multiple instances you can´t use boincmgr you need to use boinc tasks to control the diferent instances. DL it from Fred´s site. That is your fix.

Boinc Manger works fine. You just have to connect using the command line syntax as I indicated until they fix the connect to computer function.
2620) Message boards : Number crunching : WU distribution on mixed GPU setup? (Message 1554341)
Posted 9 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Well those instructions are pretty straight forward. I can get it all running at the command line and in there it says all the right things, but can't get Boinc Manager to connect to the new one (localhost:9999), just immediately pops back the original localhost. No harm no foul though, guess I'll babysit it for a while the way others have suggested.

Thanks for the help everyone.

Chris

I had that same issue 2 years ago. I guess it has never been fixed.
2621) Message boards : Number crunching : WU distribution on mixed GPU setup? (Message 1554268)
Posted 9 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Other than AP for ATI. It looks like you have completed 100's of tasks for each application. The least amount of effort could be along the lines of the suggestion from Claggy.
You could put that machine in its own venue & then modify your SETI@home preferences. Allowing only ATI work to build up with half your desired cache size set. Then switch to only allow NVIDIA work with your full cache size set. Once you have a full cache allow work for both & see how long it takes for things to get out of whack.
Perhaps it would only require poking it once a week or so.

This also has the advantage of being able to be done remotely as it is modifying settings on the website.
2622) Message boards : Number crunching : a lot of pending WUs...... (Message 1554242)
Posted 9 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I thought my increase of 474 pending across my 30 some odd machines was a lot, but some of you just have loads.
2623) Message boards : Number crunching : WU distribution on mixed GPU setup? (Message 1554241)
Posted 9 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
They did try to fix this. The idea was to have a queue limit per vendor device. So with the limit set at 100 tasks in progress a machine with Ati, Intel, & Nvidia GPU's would get 100 for each type. Instead it is a bit broken and you will get a total of 100 * total GPUs with one or more of a various type being starved.
Most seem to be happy with the broken fix so I wouldn't count on it working correctly for a while.

Without constantly messing with settings the only way to prevent starvation is to run separate instances of BOINC.
2624) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (88) Server Problems? (Message 1554060)
Posted 9 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
MB Current result creation rate 0.6014/sec, Huston do we have a problem?

The splitters were probably just taking a cat nap.

Yes, they do that now and again until they hit a certain number to crank up again.

23ja09aa is up to 13 done now so we may finally see the last of it.

Cheers.

Yup...current update shows 26.7324/sec and RTS went from about 290k to 302k.
No panic at present.

Yeah it looks like the normal on/off method of operation they use as the number of RTS goes up/down.
2625) Message boards : Number crunching : Problems with running 1 wu per AMD Radeon gpu , app_config.xml (Message 1554000)
Posted 8 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I had issues with Cat 12.x as well with my 6870 & ended up going back to Cat 11.12 for a long time. Then went with Cat 13.4+ & am using Cat 14.4 now with no issues.

I seem to recall MB tasks would sometimes hang & run very long time. It could be 10+ hours later to find task 20% complete. Back then it could have been older app, older driver, or both.

Also found performance of my 6870 increased after upgrading system from Core 2 Duo E8400 to i5-4670K. I think maybe something in core 2 system was causing bottleneck for video card.
2626) Message boards : Number crunching : Setting up A-10 6700 with stock seti (Message 1553765)
Posted 8 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
My ATLAS@home units were getting slower and slower. I shut down the PC, restarted it, cleaned the Virtual Box environment of failed virtual machines and restarted it. The use of Virtual Box may create problems, especially on Windows PC. It is not advisable to install its latest version, 4.3.14.
Tullio

I had to roll back to VB 4.3.12 on a server at work because VB 4.3.14 was not even running well enough to let me start my VMs. I think they are still providing 4.2 with the BOINC client.
2627) Message boards : Number crunching : Considering new Graphics card (Message 1553761)
Posted 8 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
@Hal: Yes, many variables, that's the problem. Google says it's not the PCIe slot. 1.1 should be ok even for new cards. Next I will try to go back to 337.88 and see if that changes anything.

@Mike: What do those parameters mean and how can I change them?

You would add them to your ap_cmdline_win_x86_SSE2_OpenCL_NV.txt(or whatever name you have for it) & a full description of what they do can be found in the AstroPulse_OpenCL_NV_ReadMe.txt.
2628) Message boards : Number crunching : A word of warning about Nvidia driver 340.52 (Message 1553747)
Posted 8 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I think this idle/sleep problem is because of the poor implementation of OpenCL in NVidias drivers as some kind of adapter to native Cuda. Would it be possible to build a native Cuda5/6 astropulse cruncher like the Lunatics x41 executables, which don't have these idle/sleep problems. :?

As I recall Nvidia basically wrote the original CUDA app for us. Then the lunatics did all of their hard work improving that base code. There is no such CUDA Astropulse application to build upon.
So far no one seems to want to sped the large effort to whip up a CUDA astropulse app from scratch. I am sure they would be interested in more help if you are volunteering. :)
Also the sleep issue could be the nature of processing astropulse data on the hardware & not OpenCL related.
2629) Message boards : Number crunching : Considering new Graphics card (Message 1553730)
Posted 8 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Still trying to figure out where the problem is with my setup.

Today I found this result:
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/workunit.php?wuid=1560631270

I was running this WU on my GTX 750, Tom Miller was running the task on his GTX 750 Ti.
When I check the details for AP on GPU for our computers I see 245 GFLOPs for Tom and 225 GFLOPs for me. A rather small difference and still it took my computer almost twice as long to crunch this WU (3046 seconds for Tom, 6073 seconds for me).
So maybe the problem is not the card but something else? I see that Tom is using an older driver then I do. And I read something about problems with the current driver here somewhere. Could that be the problem? Or could it be my PCIe slot? It's 1.1 x16, maybe my card needs a 2.0 slot? Any ideas?

Tom, if you read this here, do you run 2 AP tasks at a time on your card?

They are also using rev 1316 app vs rev 1843 app that you are running. Several variables in play.
2630) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (88) Server Problems? (Message 1553720)
Posted 8 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
23ja09aa needs another kick. :(

We are maintaining 300,000 and 23ja09aa just recent went from 8 to 9. So it might be running super slow, but things are working.
2631) Message boards : Number crunching : Setting up A-10 6700 with stock seti (Message 1553652)
Posted 8 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Several different SETI users have noticed that Windows8 becomes un-responsive or re-boots because of video driver crashes.

There are 2 registry fixes for that. One extends the time delay before Windows8 gets panicky (which didn't always work for me). The other disables the ability of Windows to even notice that the video driver is staying too busy, too long. Search for Windows8 to find some references. Yes, unless you tell the GPU to suspend when you are using the PC the GUI will be jerky.

If you are running Radeon based video cards you can also set a parameter in the mb_cmdline*.txt files that seems to help partially.

I have done both. One to stop the crashes which halt gpu processing completely and the other to make the GUI a little more pleasant when I am forcing the GPU to run. As I understand it the mb_cmdline*.txt also decreases the number of video card crashes. But it didn't completely stop them even with very large numbers (150).

See the OpenCL doc/txt file for what the details are.

If you are running an A-10 with an external ATI video card then this may not apply.
If you are running an A-10 with an external GTX video card then I am baffled.

Tom

There have been some issues with Windows thinking the video driver has crashed. Modifying the Windows Timeout Detection & Recovery settings seems to be helpful.
Here is the whole MS write up on the options for the video Timeout Detection & Recovery.
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/hardware/ff569918%28v=vs.85%29.aspx
I set TdrLevel to 0. Because I would rather the driver crash, locking up the system, rather than Windows thinking it has crashed and restart the driver 15 times.
I don't recall any of my system actually crashing the video driver since disabling this.
2632) Message boards : Number crunching : CUDA Versions (Message 1553619)
Posted 8 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Richard i believe the app_inf.xml installs with Lunitics .

As Tom says no diff in speed

App_info.xml is certainly created and installed by Lunatics, and is designed to exactly match and support the applications that the user chooses from the range offered and deployed by the installer. I write the installer, and I played a large part in developing that mechanism.

My remarks were about app_config.xml, which users are welcome to write for themselves. app_config.xml (which is much simpler to write and maintain) over-rides the default settings in app_info.xml, so that configurations like the number of tasks to be run on the GPU can be applied safely without the risk of damaging app_info.xml by inexperienced editing. For that reason, we - I - have designed the installer to leave app_config.xml in place when replacing all the other application files and building a fresh app_info.xml

One of the risks of making a mistake in the app_info.xml can be BOINC abandoning all of your work or removing the optimized apps. Which can happen even when you think you know what you are doing.
Messing up an app_config.xml I haven't found a way for BOINC do anything bad to me... yet. Possibly leaving out a decimal and running 10 tasks instead of 1.0 might be the worst that could happen.
2633) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (88) Server Problems? (Message 1553360)
Posted 7 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I'm not sure if someone keeps kicking 23ja09aa or if it really advancing on its own, but it now lists 7 channels complete.
2634) Message boards : Number crunching : 19 Days to Finally Buy Canned Air and Resume Crunching (Message 1553337)
Posted 7 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I don't know how much press ones of these could take, but ti might be a workable solution to those without air compressors.
http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/item.aspx?sku=180301&gclid=CKvk4ajngcACFSdk7AoduloA-A

Perhaps one of those larger pump up garden sprayers might be a better option.
2635) Message boards : Number crunching : CLOSED*SETI/BOINC Milestones [ v2.0 ] - XXVII*CLOSED (Message 1553261)
Posted 7 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The kitties have ascended to the #3 spot for total credits contributed to Seti.

Meowza!

I'm sorry that just isn't good enough. We are going to need you to get to #2 in total credit. Think you can manage that by next month? :P
2636) Message boards : Number crunching : Some questions about a laptop (Message 1553243)
Posted 7 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Been thinking about a mobile device. Funds are sparse, yet I should be able to stay in touch. Not interested in a cell phone. Something portable is doable.

When you say mobile. Are you referring to a non-PC device?
I normally think of PC as a desktop or notebook/netbook. With mobile being a phone or tablet type of device.
Does the device need to have an "all day" battery life. So you only have to charge it when sleeping?
2637) Message boards : Number crunching : A few Watts for *** 5 TFLOPS *** onna PC! (Message 1553236)
Posted 7 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
... 235W...

Im thinking this is 235 watts for there GPU?
Where is the green in that?
Nvida is going the less watts useage route and AMD wants to go and make people use more watts. Bit coiners will like it Im sure.

It is probably directly at the Tesla K20X & Tesla K40. Which are rated for 3.95 TFLOPS @ 235w and 4.29 TFLOPS @ 245W respectively in single precision.
A Nvidia 780 Ti is rated for 5.046 TFLOPS @ 250w.

When it comes to double precision the FirePro S9150 is listed as 2.53 TFLOPS in double precision.
By comparison the Nvidia cards are listed as follow for double precision.
K40 1.43 TFLOPS
K20X 1.31 TFLOPS
780 Ti 210 GFLOPS

For single precision, like we use, these kinds of cards are not worth the money. If you need double precision then you are going to pay for it.
Rated at 21.5 GFLOPS/Watt in SP & 10.7 GFLOPS/Watt in DP this new card looks to be the top performer in rated TFLOPS per watt for DP.

EDIT:
For comparison I should have also included the Titan Z. Which is rated for 8.12 TFLOPS in SP & 2.70 TFLOPS in DP @ 375w. Giving it 21.6 GFLOPS/Watt in SP & 7.2 GFLOPS/Watt in DP.
2638) Message boards : Number crunching : 19 Days to Finally Buy Canned Air and Resume Crunching (Message 1553120)
Posted 7 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I use my air compressor.

Canned air is expensive and slow. The can freezes up and pressure drops at high flow rates required to do a good job.

I found it on sale. The single heat-sink I was cleaning was finished by the time the can got cold and slowed down. If I had a compressor I might use it instead.

I'm still waiting for an answer to why "Never use canned air"?

They said it in their post.

I would never use canned air because there just isn't enough volume to clean my system out.


Sometimes when I am cleaning a system out that I let go for to long. I'll remove the heatsinks and then rinse them off with the sprayer from the kitchen sink. Then let them air dry while I am doing the rest of the system.
I don't get as much build up in my systems as some people seems to. So just wiping down the ventilation surfaces & fan blades gets the job done for me.

A balloon with a straw to direct the air can be a quick and dirty replacement canned air.
Canned air has the benefit of being "dry air". By having little to no moisture in it. Compressors sometimes have a water trap to prevent the moisture in the air from getting in the system. Which would just get blown out the end with the compressed air otherwise.
2639) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (88) Server Problems? (Message 1553109)
Posted 7 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
MB Results ready to send is growing. It was ~9000 and now ~11,000. It must be the machines sucking up the AP. As 23ja09aa still looks rather stuck.
2640) Message boards : Number crunching : A few Watts for *** 5 TFLOPS *** onna PC! (Message 1553107)
Posted 7 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The R9 290X is rated for 5.6 TFLOPS & the R9 295X2 is rated at 11.4 TFLOPS in single precision.
However their double precision is much much lower. Which is where the 4 digit price tags come into play.
2641) Message boards : Number crunching : Energy Efficiency of Arm Based sysetms over x86 or GPU based systems (Message 1553091)
Posted 6 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Well I was just looking over some docs and saw a peak power draw into the 40's. I am not as much into the hardware as I use to be and it got me thinking what would probably be the biggest consumer of power. The peripherals are a given as that was brought up on the doc I was looking over about power, but I was also wondering how they quantified typical real work load.

I was just thinking that running a CUDA SETI@home app isn't typical real world load.

10 Watts seems very reasonable to me

The comment about a Jetson TK1 cluster was really about the two ways I see to increase efficiency. You either get a faster cpu's/GPU that do the work in a shorter amount of time or you get many smaller cpu's that don't use as much energy and do more WU at one time just each takes longer.

Goes back to the question about what is more efficient. If it only takes 4 TK1's to complete the same amount of work as a regular high end desktop and it uses 1/5 the power to run those WU then that would be the most energy efficient way to go. I was being sarcastic but that was my thought when I said it. Someone on the TK1 developer forums has a cluster of like 9 nodes setup.

I may be the minority on this site, but I don't run my systems 24/7 anymore. I have one box at my house that is and it is my server, so it has to be up. The rest are just clients so I got all the power saving goodness setup on them, and let them sleep normally if not being used. The second most used system in a HTPC which was built to be rather power efficient, although I am sure I could do better now. This is what drives this for me. I would love to still contribute, but want to do it in a rather green manor. ARM Devices that are low power seem to be possibly the best option. Just hoping it can keep the power company from raiding my wallet. You could almost say this is research to see if I can find a way for me to get back into contributing :) much again.

I also like what you talked about with the Baytrail-D system. If you don't mind me asking which ones do you have?

I have an ASRock Q1900-ITX. I put the specs for it in the most recent show us your crunchers thread here.
I like to get hardware that has the best performance per watt, for the amount of money I want to spend, & is withing the power usage I like. For my gaming system I go for cards that are 150w. Most of the time the 150w ATI cards are one of the most efficient in PPW as well. So that works out nice for me.
I had been looking at the other Silvermont processors to replace an older machine, but the Avoton server based systems were just more than I wanted to spend. I was looking for the same or greater performance & power consumption of 50% or lower than the older machine. The Bay Trail-D systems meet both of those requirements, the board was fairly cheap, & I was able to use some old memory I had laying around. Now I just need to find a good power supply to use with it that is in the right power range & is efficient.
2642) Message boards : Number crunching : Comparing cuda23 to cuda50 to openCL_ati... (Message 1553040)
Posted 6 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have a vague recollection of a post explaining that the '5' in ati5 referred to the version number reported or received by BOINC when determining the class of ATI/AMD GPU, where '5' referred to HD4000+. It's an unfortunate coincidence, hence the confusion.

Fortunately, plan class names don't matter much on anonymous platforms.

I have decided I am going to star using the plan class waffles.
2643) Message boards : Number crunching : Energy Efficiency of Arm Based sysetms over x86 or GPU based systems (Message 1553011)
Posted 6 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
That is pretty awesome performance for a system that NVidia says is using 5 watts under real work loads.


The more I look at Nvidia's support page this doesn't make much since. I don't think this applies to pushing the Cuda cores to their limit. It would be interesting to get a power meter on it to see what it's usage is.

"the Kepler GPU in Tegra K1 consists of 192 CUDA cores and consumes less than two watts*.
*Average power measured on GPU power rail while playing a collection of popular mobile games."

Under full load from SETI@home the GPU average power consumption may be much more. As the load will be as varied as when playing a game.
I just did a quick test with a i5-3470. The iGPU averages 3.6w in GPUz under full load, from an app called HeavyLoad. While playing flash games the average reading in GPUz is 0.4w. I don't have much else game wise to check on this system. As it is my cubical system.
2644) Message boards : Number crunching : Energy Efficiency of Arm Based sysetms over x86 or GPU based systems (Message 1553003)
Posted 6 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I suspect he compiled it himself based on his previous posts.

I am really curious about how he set this up and well, and if he will share directions later for those adventurous enough to attempt it after him :). That is pretty awesome performance for a system that NVidia says is using 5 watts under real work loads. It would be nice to see that validated, but even at 10 watts that is some awesome crunching.

This topic is actually kind of making me a little annoyed at my own gear now. I am seeing how truly bad my desktop really is and am to the point I would rather not turn it on at all. Considering just selling it off for parts. To build something more energy efficient.

Now all you need to do is setup a about 8 of them for a cluster solution, and let it churn out some WU.

A home-built cluster is not much of an advantage for SETI@home or BOINC. As you have tot run the app on each node in the cluster.

Most of my computers are on for other reasons. So I run SETI@home on them. My past several system upgrades have been to increase my system efficiency. More than to increase the system performance.
2645) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (88) Server Problems? (Message 1552888)
Posted 6 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thanks Mark.

Something else call my attention, they don´t have a "watch dog" on the splitters exactly to avoid that?

I think the main problem is that with the complexity of dependencies of the various bits of the back-end. Adding another process to the mix to watch for errors may introduce more errors.

I believe that there is/was a system in place to prevent the db from getting to large, but it was not working correctly. So the db server would crash instead.
2646) Message boards : Number crunching : Case Swap & LCS question (Message 1552887)
Posted 6 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
A bit of isopropyl alcohol and a cotton swab should do the cleanup just fine without buying a fancy cleaning kit.

For a full rebuild I like to rub the slug with a paper towel until it comes back clean. I figured anything that was left in the microscopic groves after that was a benefit. Different strokes & such.
2647) Message boards : Number crunching : SETI@Home Wow!-Event 2014 (Message 1552871)
Posted 6 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Goodness. It seems Charles Long has joined the event.

That should make things rather interesting.
2648) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (88) Server Problems? (Message 1552672)
Posted 5 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The bandwidth graphs show the outbound is on router port 210 again, but inbound seems to still be on 211.
http://fragment1.berkeley.edu/newcricket/grapher.cgi?target=/router-interfaces/inr-211/gigabitethernet6_17&ranges=d%3Aw&view=Octets
http://fragment1.berkeley.edu/newcricket/grapher.cgi?target=/router-interfaces/inr-210/gigabitethernet6_17&ranges=d%3Aw&view=Octets

So data is flying out normally after the outage.
2649) Message boards : Number crunching : Energy Efficiency of Arm Based sysetms over x86 or GPU based systems (Message 1552454)
Posted 5 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Compared to my Bay Trail-D system.
Application	GFLOPS	Cores	Total GLOPS	System Watts	GFLOPS/Watt
SETI@home v7	 10.25	    4	 41.00		25		2.050
AstroPulse v6	 21.30	    4	 85.20		25		4.260


Hmm, my machine is running somewhat fewer FLOPS than yours for both MB and AP. I haven't worked out how to enable the iGPU for crunching under Linux yet.

I took delivery of an Nvidia Tegra K "Jetson" SDK tonight and should have all the bits needed to run it (HDMI->DVI cable, USB hub, Keyboard+mouse) on next-day delivery tomorrow. First plan is to work out how it runs (it's an ARM version of Ubuntu) and install the latest CUDA libraries. Then, after I've got my hologram reconstructions running on the 192-core Kepler, I'll see if there are all the resources needed to compile BOINC & S@H on it. Watch, as they say, this space.

Must take my Wattmeter back into work next time I have to power down this rig (which is running 143 W ATM, it's usually around 250 W when the GPUs have APs to crunch).


I am running optimized apps & my system seems to like to stay running at its Burt frequency all of the time. Either or both of those could be the reason for my systems higher numbers.
2650) Message boards : Number crunching : Energy Efficiency of Arm Based sysetms over x86 or GPU based systems (Message 1552453)
Posted 5 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
If you take the "Average GFLOPs" as a way to indicated the processing speed of the device.

There's the problem. GFLOPs is an indicator, but a very, very poor one. Depending on the application being run, a card with a lower GFLOPS rating can process more work per hour than one with a much higher rating.
The number of WUs per hour is a better indicator, but the mix of WUs (VHARs, shorties) makes it difficult to compare things.
Average Processing Rate is a good one as it directly relates to the work being done, unfortunately it isn't accurate as processing more than one WU at a time results in a lower APR, even though the work done per hour is much higher than doing a single WU at a time.
RAC is probably the best indicator, however due to the nature of Credit New (almost completely borked) you can only compare MB to MB, AP to AP. And people that run a mix of the 2 can't really be compared to either (or even each other due to the different mixes).

The way they stated "average GFLOPS" I figured they were talking about APR. Which is displayed in GFLOPS. While it may not be the most accurate it is a measure of the application output on that device. So it does seem to be a valid measure to use.
It will be lower when running more tasks on a device. However, (GFLOPS * instances) should reflect the increased output.
2651) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (88) Server Problems? (Message 1552451)
Posted 5 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
23ja09aa looks to be running normally again & only has one splitter on it with 3 channels complete now. Creation rate is now at ~26/sec. In a few hours the RTS will probably be back at full capacity.

Splitter output has increased, but only slightly.
Ready-to-send buffer remains at 0.

Yeah that tape is only nerfing 1 splitter instead of 2 now. The number of tasks in progress is rising. So once the tapes full of shorties are done we might build up a send buffer again.
2652) Message boards : Number crunching : The current top cruncher (Message 1552311)
Posted 4 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Yeah their output has been tapering off recently to only about 6,000,000 a day.

They are still going with a solid 6,000,000 a day.
2653) Message boards : Number crunching : Energy Efficiency of Arm Based sysetms over x86 or GPU based systems (Message 1552293)
Posted 4 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Watts per flop or flops per watt is the name of the game.
I think it might be best to calculate the performance of each app.

For one of my i5-4670K systems.
Application	GFLOPS	Cores	Total GLOPS	System Watts	GFLOPS/Watt
SETI@home v7	 42.81	    4	171.24		90		1.903
AstroPulse v6	106.52	    4	426.08		90		4.734


Compared to my Bay Trail-D system.
Application	GFLOPS	Cores	Total GLOPS	System Watts	GFLOPS/Watt
SETI@home v7	 10.25	    4	 41.00		25		2.050
AstroPulse v6	 21.30	    4	 85.20		25		4.260


For ARM system I would do each app version for comparison. One might be better than the others performance wise & that information could be feed back to home base.

EDIT:
I will also add that my low powered system is drawing more than it should. As I have an oversized PSU that is not the most efficient right now. Ideally it would be in the 10-20w range for power consumption.
2654) Message boards : Number crunching : Comparing cuda23 to cuda50 to openCL_ati... (Message 1552282)
Posted 4 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
As a further point of clarification, the project plan classes with ati5 in the name are the non-HD5 app versions. IOW (opencl_ati_cat132) is HD5 but (opencl_ati5_cat132) is not.
                                                                   Joe

0.o
I am sure it made sense at the time... well maybe it did.
2655) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (88) Server Problems? (Message 1552245)
Posted 4 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
23ja09aa looks to be running normally again & only has one splitter on it with 3 channels complete now. Creation rate is now at ~26/sec. In a few hours the RTS will probably be back at full capacity.
2656) Message boards : Number crunching : Comparing cuda23 to cuda50 to openCL_ati... (Message 1552090)
Posted 4 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
There are 2 ATI apps.
OpenCL ATI
OpenCL ATI HD5
As I recall HD5 was intended for Radeon HD5000 series & newer. Where the other is for HD4000 & newer.

The other plan classes are primarily because ATI drivers don't have have an easy way to tell BOINC their versions information. So a new plan class has to be created when a version issue comes up. The most recent opencl_ati5_nocal is because newer cards/drivers don't provide a CAL version to BOINC.
CAL was ATI's version for GPGPU computing, but when AMD bought ATI they dropped support for CAL in favor of OpenCL.
2657) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (88) Server Problems? (Message 1551372)
Posted 2 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
There are not 300 odd tapes loaded, only about 30. They normally load new tapes when there are about half a dozen left in the queue, and in recent months this has often happened on a Tuesday, round about the time of the outage.

I think they meant "total channels to do:" which there are 338 @ 8:20:05 UTC.

Looking across my machines I am seeing mostly shorties coming in right now.
2658) Message boards : Number crunching : AMD & Sapphire R9 290 issue (Message 1551358)
Posted 2 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
just edit your app-inf.xml file

look for <cuda>?<cuda> . ?= number of units

ie. for 1 unit you put 1
for 2 units you put 0.50
for 3 you put 0.33

change all the instances of <cuda>?<cuda>

Thank you Glenn savill

For your R9 290 in the app_info.xml you would be looking for <coproc>, <type>ATI</type>, & then the associated <count> value.
<coproc>
<type>ATI</type>
<count>N</count>
</coproc>

If you prefer a universal way across any GPU type you can use the app_config.xml.
<app_config>
<app>
<name>setiathome_v7</name>
<gpu_versions>
<gpu_usage>.N</gpu_usage>
<cpu_usage>.x</cpu_usage>
</gpu_versions>
</app>
</app_config>
2659) Message boards : Number crunching : SETI opencl seem to have some memory-related bug (Message 1551344)
Posted 2 Aug 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
the flicker i was seeing happens when some parts of other windows get "trashed" in tiled manner. the contents of tiles is overwritten with semi-random pattern that's different for different tiles, but looks "similar". I'd assume that's some kind of memory race condition or overrun.

How do I join beta?

http://setiweb.ssl.berkeley.edu/beta/
2660) Message boards : Number crunching : Question regarding ATI GPU optimized clients (Message 1550673)
Posted 31 Jul 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Plan class is not that critical.
I use ati_opencl_sah. Which I believe is no longer even used. Just as I still use cuda on my nvidia system instead of cuda23, cuda32, or any of the others.
2661) Message boards : Number crunching : Listening to found noise, pulses and triplets (Message 1550626)
Posted 31 Jul 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I believe the data we are analyzing is in the GHz range. However software could convert it into something within the human audible range.
2662) Message boards : Number crunching : Puzzled, once more (Message 1550617)
Posted 31 Jul 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Well I'll be damned....

HAL9000 is absolutely right.

I just ran GPU-Z logging during the period of having the monitor shutdown (HD7970 on Win7).

The result :
GPU load consistently dropped from 99% to 87% despite still running 2 GPU tasks.

PS.
So far I thought the only source of significant loss of crunch performance came from forgetting that BOINC by default also installs and sets its screensaver, sucking performance while running (if one forgot about that detail after installing it).

On my notebook the GPU clock drops from 750MHz to 150MHz. The GPU load stays about the same for me, but processing is slowed to 20% of normal speed.
2663) Message boards : Number crunching : FEED ME MORE - FEED ME MORE! (Message 1550615)
Posted 31 Jul 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The kitties have no complaints....
They feast on AP when it is available and then dutifully crunch away at the MB cache to help the servers towards the next batch of AP.

It would be nice if the credits were normalized between the two types of work though.

AstroPulse v7 will probably do that. It is current being tested on Beta.
2664) Message boards : Number crunching : Puzzled, once more (Message 1550471)
Posted 31 Jul 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Weird, I would be surprised to see any influence on the GPU clocks of a loaded GPU (i.e. by BOINC).

So far I never noted any difference even in non-monitor equipped multi-GPU setups under 24/7 load with BOINC.



Well, in my case, the number of wu's processed by the card definitely dropped, from around 90 a day to 50 a day, for the 2 days, which meant my RAC also dropped.
;-( One other weird thing happened as well, I switched the monitor to the onboard Intel gpu, which Boinc then "saw" and promptly gave me another 100 wu's. Now I've switched back to the Radeon, the iGPU isn't seen by Boinc any more.

If you want BOINC to "see" the iGPU all the time here is a way to do it.
http://www.hal6000.com/seti/manual_display_detect.htm

Once this has been set & BOINC sees the iGPU you can then change the display settings back to non extended. The iGPU still be seen until you restart BOINC.
2665) Message boards : Number crunching : Show us your cruncher(s) (Message 1550307)
Posted 31 Jul 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
So much for show and tell . HELP !!!!!!

do the pic's have to be a certain size ?

i drag pic to post after i put IMG but something weird happened it show'd up in a seperate browers page .......

So i know this is annoying but could you please tell me how to do it i'm using Chrome or is that the problem "Chrome"

This site does not host images.
The image tag, as noted in the Use BBCode tags to format your text help, is just a pointer to where the image is elsewhere on the internet.

If the images are huge, for the sake of those with slower internet connections, it is generally nicer to just provide a link to them instead of using the img tag.
2666) Message boards : Number crunching : FEED ME MORE - FEED ME MORE! (Message 1550282)
Posted 31 Jul 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I still think if we cut the number of AP splitters down to one or two instead of 6, AP splitting would slow down closer to the speed of MB splitting and then we wouldn't end up with these huge backlogs of waiting for MB to catch up...but I guess the staff doesn't see a problem with the way things are and it seems to work fine..it just kind of annoys some of us crunchers, but it makes no difference to the science. *shrug*


At the moment there are only 5 of the 7 MB splitters working with the other 2 being disabled and they have been for some time now. It would improve things some what if/when they were put back online.

The 5 MB splitter are generally more than fast enough to keep up with demand. They actually cycle off every so often as the amount of work RTS is large enough. If there is an error it takes a bit of time to catch up.
Some time ago, shortly after moving to the CoLo IIRC, it was mentioned that they limit the speed/amount of the splitters because they were hitting a disk i/o limit with the storage array.
2667) Message boards : Number crunching : Show us your cruncher(s) (Message 1550280)
Posted 31 Jul 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Haven't done one of these in a bit.


Gaming system
-i5-4670K w/ Noctura D-14 cooler
-Gigabyte GA-Z87X-D3H
-16GB Crucial Ballistix 1.35v kit
-Sapphire HD6870
-Rosewill 650W 80Plus Platinum PSU
-Stuffed in a NZXT SOURCE 220 case


Low powered system for running various network things.
-Celeron J1900 w/ random 80mm fan plopped on heatsink & ram
-ASRock Q1900-ITX
-4GB from 2 mismatched 1.5v 2GB DDR3 SODIMMS I had sitting around
-Intel HD Graphics
-Old Enermax 425W 80Plus Bronze PSU
The 3.5" HD is just extra load so the system will turn on.
-Elevated on a fancy bit of the box the MB was shipped in
2668) Message boards : Number crunching : non-abandoned, abandoned tasks (Message 1550073)
Posted 30 Jul 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
My machine: ID: 7023772

Looking at the task list shows "abandoned" and there are no work units in progress.

Looking at the machine itself shows that all of the tasks are still there and running as they normally do. They have 8/21 deadlines. The data and time are correct on that computer, also.

As far as I know, absolutely nothing happened to the computer.

Does anyone have a theory?

Is there anything in your BOINC logs at 17:34:07 UTC when all of the tasks got stuffed?
2669) Message boards : Number crunching : Puzzled, once more (Message 1550071)
Posted 30 Jul 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
It appears, from the little I've observed, that my ATI Radeon 6950 does less crunching when there is no monitor attached to it, does that make sense? Must admit, it doesn't to me ;-)

P.

If the monitor goes to sleep, from the Windows power save settings, the GPU slows down to its lower clock rates. With a "no monitor" condition I would expect the same behavior.
If a monitor is connect but powered off this does not happen.
2670) Message boards : Number crunching : "Waiting to run" / "Scheduler wait" (Message 1549931)
Posted 30 Jul 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Glenn,

I think it's a driver issue. Not sure how to go about correcting it but for now it runs and the results validate so I'll keep muddling through it. I think Joe is correct about the setting should be 1-2 minutes rather than 120. Thanks Glenn and Joe for your help.


Zalster

If you select Activity > Use GPU always does the GPU run normally?
2671) Message boards : Number crunching : CUDA Versions (Message 1549894)
Posted 30 Jul 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
All the wus/tasks are the same. There is no such things as a "CUDA task" of any version. The "version" is determined by the app that was assigned when the work was requested.
When using the stock applications the server sends each app. Then once it determines which runs best on your host it will then run it exclusively or most of the time. It may check that the other versions at a given interval. I don't recall.

With the optimized apps you can specify the CUDA version at the time of the installation. However, when using the optimized apps you have to update the apps manually when they change.

IIRC app_config.xml takes precedence over app_info.xml. So you may not have to modify anything if you choose to run the optimized applications.

If you are going to get the optimized apps. Once you get to the Lunatics downloads. Looks for the line They are available from arkayn's Crunchers Anonymous Windows downloads and Mike's download page.. Then on either site get the Lunatics v0.41 setup for the platform you need.
2672) Message boards : Number crunching : Astropulse 601 - when to give up? (Message 1549580)
Posted 29 Jul 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Have you guys used optimized clients ?

They're almost mandatory in order to get decent performance, especially from older CPUs.

I just ran an Astropulse on an old notebook (Pentium M 1.86GHz) and it took it some whopping 61 hours to complete, using the stock linux client.

I'll dump some old Vista32 onto it and see what it can do with the latest optmized clients.

My old 1.5GHz Pentium M notebook does an AP in about 20 hours with Windows 7 x86. Using ap6_win_x86_sse2_cpu_r2137 optimized app.
2673) Message boards : Number crunching : The current top cruncher (Message 1549285)
Posted 29 Jul 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Yeah their output has been tapering off recently to only about 6,000,000 a day.
2674) Message boards : Number crunching : Astropulse 601 - when to give up? (Message 1549282)
Posted 29 Jul 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Your computer shows 0 astropulse tasks. It looks like it was already assigned to another host, turned in, and deleted. I have a system similar to yours, but a bit slower. I have not run AP on it since AP v5, but I don't recall it taking 2-3 days to complete 1 AP task.
2675) Message boards : Number crunching : FEED ME MORE - FEED ME MORE! (Message 1549276)
Posted 29 Jul 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
You can have more AP when you finish with all of your MB!
2676) Message boards : Number crunching : Some questions about BOINC for Android... (Message 1549193)
Posted 28 Jul 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Folks, I could still need some help here.

Even with Claggys update-trick I can not get more then 4 WUs on my phone. And it's just 4 if they are shorties, Usually I can just get a max of 3.

The problem is that I need the charger at work for my other phone and I don't have Wifi at work. So with just 3 tasks I have to carry the phone from work to home every 2 days or so.
So I need more tasks on the phone, enough for 1 week. I would take the phone to work on monday, let it run there the whole week and take it back home on friday to upload & report the tasks done and fetch new work.

I have root access on this phone so I thought I just have to edit some files, but it looks like I can't find the correct file to get it done.

First I went to data/data/edu.berkely.boinc/client There is a file called global_prefs.xml that includes a line "<work_buf_min_days>". I changed the value there from 0 to 7 but nothing happens.
Then I found a file called sched_request_setiathome.berkeley.edu.xml which includes the same line. Again I switched the value to 7 but again no luck.


So can maybe anybody tell me which line in which file I have to edit to get more work on my phone?

I am pretty sure global_prefs.xml is populated from server data. So changing it may not have any effect.
In your BOINC settings you would want to set Maintain enough tasks to keep busy for at least n days to your desired value for the venue where this device is set.
2677) Message boards : Number crunching : Puzzled... (Message 1549030)
Posted 28 Jul 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
It's 100 tasks per GPU now, rather 100 tasks for the GPU(s).

Claggy



Ok, but my Intel chip has never been used by Boinc, so effectively
I have only one gpu, the ATI card. C'est la vie I guess ;-)

Thanks for the reply.

P.

Yeah it is kind of a bonus for some in that way. It has happened because of some kind of error in a fix they were trying to implement for BOINC. Which was intended to limit each type of GPU to the designated task limit.


Ok, now I'm getting confused. Phil states that his iGPU is not being used, but BOINC recognizes it. I have a 4770K w/ a HD4600 iGPU, which BOINC does not recognize. BTW, it is explicitly set 'Use Intel GPU No' in my project preferences in my account.

So long as BOINC detects the iGPU it will increase the GPU task limit by 100. Changing "Use xxx GPU" has no effect on the limit. It is something else that we noted as broken when this change was implemented.
The GPU not being used would have to be disabled in BIOS or BOINC would have to be told to ignore it, via cc_config.xml, to not be included in the limit calculation.

On my i5-4670K systems I had to use <ignore_ati_dev>0</ignore_ati_dev> if I wanted BOINC to only consider my iGPU for task limit. However this presented issues for me. As I am using a version of BOINC that does not officially support iGPUs.
2678) Message boards : Number crunching : Puzzled... (Message 1548950)
Posted 28 Jul 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
It's 100 tasks per GPU now, rather 100 tasks for the GPU(s).

Claggy



Ok, but my Intel chip has never been used by Boinc, so effectively
I have only one gpu, the ATI card. C'est la vie I guess ;-)

Thanks for the reply.

P.

Yeah it is kind of a bonus for some in that way. It has happened because of some kind of error in a fix they were trying to implement for BOINC. Which was intended to limit each type of GPU to the designated task limit.
2679) Message boards : Number crunching : Points count? (Message 1548947)
Posted 28 Jul 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Also you can use sort of use SET@home as a baseline to see how much other projects inflate their credit.
2680) Message boards : Number crunching : FEED ME MORE - FEED ME MORE! (Message 1548834)
Posted 28 Jul 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
In the past I seem to recall AP work being much more common. With the few AP only crunchers only mentioning running out of work every few months.

- With the introduction of v7 of MB a large difference in credit between MB & AP lead more people to run AP only.
- We now have a Nvidia AP app. So the crunchers that have beefy GPU systems can tear though the AP work faster than ever.
- With people favoring AP work over MB the MB tasks are not getting burned through as quickly as they otherwise would.

- Moving to the colo may also play a part in things. As they move the data for splitting to the servers and back over the network. I'm not sure if that is how it was done before or if they were just plugging drives into the system to dump the data.
2681) Message boards : Number crunching : Some questions about a laptop (Message 1548652)
Posted 27 Jul 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Another small update here: The machine is running without any problems so far, at least on CPU.

Last week we had a rainy day here where temperatures were abut 10 degrees (celsius) lower then the days before so I thought I give the GPU another try. But it took again less then 15 minutes until core temps hit 90 degrees and I had to suspend the GPU again. I wonder how such a small GPU can produce that much heat?!?

THE CPU itself, although running in burst all the time, seems to be a bit slower then suspected. When I compare times and GFLOP-ratings with Hals Bay Trail machine, his seems to run a bit faster. But thats ok, for a machine that sucks just ~16 watts the performance is still nice.

The Bay Trail chips have a maximum core temp of 105°C, but that doesn't mean they will be happy running at 104°C. I prefer to only run up to about 10ºC shy of the maximum temperature that Intel states. I imagine the built in throttling mechanisms should kick in before temps get to near the maximum values. It is better to be safe than sorry with something you want to last a long time though.

You really think that running the CPU at 95 degrees 24/7 would be ok?

I think I should better qualify what I said.
If that high of core temperature is not effecting any other components of the system. In such a way as to make them exceed their thermal design. I would let my system run to a core temperature within 10ºC of what Intel specifies.
If the heat caused by the CPU is causing issues then it is obviously not OK for the system as a whole.
Having said that. I have an old Pentium M notebook I have been trying to kill. It might be better to say I am trying to burn it out rather than maliciously kill it. I have it's little 1.5GHz chip overclocked to ~2.4GHz and running AP non-stop. During the day its core has only been getting up to 85ºC. As it has not yet been that hot this summer.

On paper I would think that your Bay Trail system would come out ahead.
- Maybe it is not constantly staying at the Burst frequency?
- Maybe it is that I have 2 dimms in my system. In order to take advantage of the dual channel abilities of the CPU. Memory bandwidth of Bay Trail is 10.6GB/s for single channel & 21.3GB/s for dual channel. When I was selecting a MB for Bay Trail I made sure to get one that had 2 dimm slots. There were many I found that only had 1 slot.

At the moment I only have 1 CPU MB tasks to look at in my results. It is a VLAR that ran 4.5 hours. Where your normal AR tasks look like they are running about 6 hours. Most of your recent CPU MB tasks have been VHAR, or shorties. I think that might lower the "Average processing rate" GFLOP rating of an app, but I'm not 100% sure on that one. However, AP processing rates are much closer than MB.
2682) Message boards : Number crunching : A journey: iGPU slowing CPU processing (Message 1548628)
Posted 27 Jul 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Wow, so the iGPU is really slowing down the CPU to 50% ?? That's interesting!

For my Haswell, i5-4670K, systems.
Yes, For SETI@home project running any combination of MB or AP tasks with CPU & iGPU has the effect of about double CPU run times. I had hoped it would be something simple like "you are doing this wrong". However, I think what Joe mentioned about the cache is accurate.
Probably good to mix non cache heavy project on either CPU or iGPU. Then SETI@home on other processing device.

For my Silvermont/Bay Trail-D system.
CPU tasks are slowed about 8% when running iGPU. At least for AP. I must still do more test to see what the % is for MB tasks, but it may be the same.
It appears that iGPU produces enough output to more than make up for slower CPU times. Much like when running Hyper-Threading on a CPU. The processing times are slowed 15-30%, but output increases. Because of greater number of tasks completed.
2683) Message boards : Number crunching : Considering new Graphics card (Message 1547432)
Posted 25 Jul 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I don't wanna get a card that uses more power because I'm not sure if the power supply could handle it. The 630 would for sure be a improvement, my G210 has 16 cuda cores IIRC , LOL.
The only thing that makes me a bit unsure about this GT630 is the fanless design.

I attached a fan to my fanless GT 8500. The fanless design they implemented could not really handle running SETI@home 24/7. I just use some small 60mm fan I had lying around and connected it to run at 5v, instead of 12. So it just pushed the heat away from the heatsink.
2684) Message boards : Number crunching : A journey: iGPU slowing CPU processing (Message 1547427)
Posted 25 Jul 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Ah, okay...

Running a similar setup (albeit with a rather slow mobile Core i3) myself since just a few days, I also found out the performance ratio on SETI comparing CPU and iGPUs is unexpectedly close.

So in this case, you're right as the iGPU doesn't contribute so much to the overall score when bundled with fast CPU cores.

My Bay Trail system the iGPU I think adds to overall output. I am still early into test, but so far the data looks like this.

4 CPU AP + 1 iGPU MB
~23.3hr CPU time + ~5.5hr iGPU time

4 CPU AP + 0 iGPU
~21.5hr CPU time

Using 650 average AP credit & 90 average MB credit
4 CPU AP + 1 iGPU MB
~3070 estimated RAC
4 CPU AP + 0 iGPU
~2900 estimated RAC

When running SETI@home for both CPU & iGPU it looks like overall output is a gain. Most notably CPU is not slowed to nearly double run time when using iGPU. Some CPU slowdown must be expected as iGPU does share resources with CPU. So far CPU is slowed only 8% it would seem.
2685) Message boards : Number crunching : Automatically suspend BOINC when there's a power failure (Message 1547416)
Posted 25 Jul 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
PowerShell is very handy to makes solutions like this.

I have been lucky with all of my USB connected UPS shows in the OS as a battery & I can just use BOINC "Suspend work while computer is on battery power?" setting.

If your UPS software writes an event to one of the Windows logs you could create task events to perform actions as well.
2686) Message boards : Number crunching : CLOSED*SETI/BOINC Milestones [ v2.0 ] - XXVII*CLOSED (Message 1547115)
Posted 25 Jul 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The top 100 participants now all have over 100,000,000 credit.

Good job to everyone on their milestones may be. No matter how big or small.
2687) Message boards : Technical News : Back on line after some repairs... (Jul 24 2014) (Message 1547101)
Posted 25 Jul 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
It is good to hear when things go well.
As always, Thanks for taking the time to give us an update.
2688) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (88) Server Problems? (Message 1547095)
Posted 25 Jul 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Ah, probably why it's mostly 8:30 to 5:00 here. 30min for lunch.

I'm not old enough to ever know of the 9 to 5 work days. Other than in the song.
To make things even more weird. My work hours are actually 7:45 to 4:45.
2689) Message boards : Number crunching : A journey: iGPU slowing CPU processing (Message 1547094)
Posted 25 Jul 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I wasn't referring CPU performance.

The impact of CPU performance when the iGPU is already bottlenecking the RAM bandwidth is not very important.

The overall performance loss caused by the iGPU not getting max. RAM bandwidth is the key. The CPU cores anyway hardly contribute much to the total output, unless it is a very potent CPU coupled with a rather slow iGPU (although that can depend on the project).

The potential output gain from running CPU cores is typically more than offset but the significantly reduced iGPU performance under these conditions.


I am not how you would come to the conclusion that the CPU is not contributing as much as the iGPU.

0 CPU + 1 iGPU MB
~1hr for iGPU = 24 iGPU tasks a day.
Total 24 tasks a day

4 CPU MB + 1 iGPU MB
~2hr for CPU & ~1hr for iGPU = 48 CPU tasks & 24 iGPU tasks a day.
Total 72 tasks a day

4 CPU MB + 0 iGPU
~1hr for CPU = 96 CPU tasks day.
Total 96 tasks a day

I think maybe you misunderstand use of iGPU in this case? iGPU is being used to describe Intel HD Graphics 4600 GPU built into the CPU & not an ATI or NVIDIA GPU.
2690) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (88) Server Problems? (Message 1546613)
Posted 24 Jul 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thanks for the reminder Joe. Does anybody anybody know for sure what time the servers are being turned off? I am thinking possibly just before 5 o'clock? This would make it in 2 hours and 23 minutes. As of the time of this post. Making it 00:00 UTC time 24/7/14

longer period throughout the work day of Thursday, July 24th

Here in the US the work day is generally considered 08:00 to 17:00. Given that they are UTC -7 this time of year it. Those times would put in the second outage from 2014-07-24 15:00 to 2014-07-25 00:00 UTC. + or - whenever they feel like starting to whenever they are done.
2691) Message boards : Number crunching : A journey: iGPU slowing CPU processing (Message 1546066)
Posted 22 Jul 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Running tests with reduced number of CPU tasks did not show an increase in CPU performance. I would expect some significant change if the system memory bandwidth was being being maximized causing a bottleneck. I don't know enough about how the applications use memory to say if my expectations are accurate.

I did test in these scenario.
4 CPU + 1 iGPU
3 CPU + 1 iGPU
2 CPU + 1 iGPU
1 CPU + 1 iGPU
With CPU times showing about double vs running CPU alone.

With my Bay-Trail-D system not apparently displaying a slowing of processing times on the CPU while running the iGPU. I think Cache thrashing does seems the most likely to me right now. I am still doing tests on that system. So results may change as more data points are collected.
2692) Message boards : Number crunching : AP credit, can someone expain this? (Message 1545799)
Posted 22 Jul 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I had an AP pay me 9 credits one time.

I don't recall if it was MB or AP, but I do recall stories about NEGATIVE credits at one time....it was long ago.

IIRC that was at the introduction of creditnew, but at least that part was fixed.
2693) Message boards : Number crunching : New to SETI@home, have some questions. (Message 1545647)
Posted 22 Jul 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
If other intelligent life doesn't in fact use radio signals, is capturing pulses and triplets at least providing something of value to science?

Probably not.

Since our data is recorded by just piggy backing on other peoples radio time. Any science we do is a bonus to the other scientist preform.
2694) Message boards : Number crunching : SETI@Home Wow!-Event 2014 (Message 1545427)
Posted 21 Jul 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Joined!
2695) Message boards : Number crunching : AP credit, can someone expain this? (Message 1545288)
Posted 21 Jul 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The title of this thread seems to refer to Astropulse credit. I didn't think that was affected by credit new.

When Astropulse v7 is released the screams will begin a new I expect.
2696) Message boards : Number crunching : i7 4770K overheating when running seti@home (Message 1545285)
Posted 21 Jul 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
My thermostat has trouble keeping the temp inside the house below 77-78, even with the thermostat set on 75.

It's not the thermostat that's having a problem, it's the air conditioner itself. If more heat comes in than it can pump out, it doesn't matter how low you set the temperature, the unit just isn't capable of pumping out enough heat to get it down that low.

I have that same issue. Given I have a 30 year old central A/C & my condo is basically designed like a greenhouse. I consider anything below 80ºF before the sun goes down a win once it get over 90ºF outside.
Based on that I make sure add a sufficiently beefy cooler to my systems.
"Maybe next year I will get a new A/C." He said for the past 3 years in a row.
2697) Message boards : Number crunching : A journey: iGPU slowing CPU processing (Message 1545066)
Posted 20 Jul 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
check thoroughly that all freq reducing CPU/mobo features are disabled.
These chips seems can't work at full load. Power or temp constrains lead to reduced freqs. For either CPU or GPU part. Cache contention effects can be big too, but if freqs go down effect will be much bigger.


On my i5-4670K gaming box. Host 5837483
I have all power saving features disabled.
OS settings are 100% minimum/100% maximum.
Cooler is Noctura D-14. It keeps temps down very well.
Max temp on hottest core right now reads 52ºC with 28ºC ambient.

On my i5-4670K HTPC. Host 5255585
I have speed stepping enabled.
OS settings are 50% minimum/100% maximum.
Cooler is NZXT Respire T20. Not as good as the Noctura, but still gets the job done.
Max temp on hottest core right now reads 62ºC with 28ºC ambient.

I haven not seen the CPU down clock on either system with BOINC running.
With MB on the iGPU the clock only drops from 1.2GHz when loading a new task. With AP on the iGPU the clock rate varies. GPUz graph of clock rate was very spiky. Probably as portions switched to CPU? I can get screen shot when we have AP again if needed.

I think perhaps it could be CPU & iGPU fighting over cache. Even with running 1 CPU + 1 iGPU. With iGPU always being the winner. As iGPU does not get slowed.
My Bay Trail system, host 7324426, not seem to show this same kind of CPU slowdown. This may point to the cache also. Since Bay Trail has separate cache for each pair of CPU cores.
I still have much more testing to do with that system to determine if there is even any slowdown. Maybe there is a small % slowdown, but so little the iGPU more than makes up for it. Much like HT slows times but increases output.

Also if it is cache issue I wonder if Intel GT3+e GPU will not see the same slowdown with the extra cache it adds. Maybe 8th generation iGPU will have a completely separate cache.

Even with slowdown I think performance of CPU+iGPU is good. I ran for months & I only noticed the slowdown after comparing times with Sandy/Ivy Bridge CPUs. Highest efficiency might be to run different CPU apps with SETI@home iGPU app. Only with more testing will the answer be known.

EDIT:
I also am speculating if the slowdown could be related to those machine having additional GPU's. In the form of ATI cards. ATI cars are primary video with iGPU only being used for crunching. On Bay Trail system it only has iGPU for display & crunching.
I do not think this could be the issue, but plan to give it a try at some point.
2698) Message boards : Number crunching : A journey: iGPU slowing CPU processing (Message 1545023)
Posted 20 Jul 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Further testing on my Haswell systems has shown that I was mistaken on the MB CPU times when not running the iGPU. It could be that the MB CPU tasks were also VLARs and I just didn't notice at the time.

So I will revise my data from before.
Configuration: 4 CPU MB + 1 iGPU MB
CPU times ~2 hr, iGPU times ~1 hr

Configuration: 4 CPU MB, No iGPU running
CPU times ~1 hr

Further testing with the Silvermont/Bay Trail system is still on going. It system is much slower so testing takes much much longer.

I suppose I should also test with my ATI GPUs to see if there is a similar reaction, but that shall wait for cooler weather.
2699) Message boards : Number crunching : How to get Boinc to run astropulse instead of seti (Message 1544666)
Posted 20 Jul 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I imagine your MAC would run the tasks a bit faster than my 24 core machine. Given its processor is a few generations newer and runs a few hundred MHz faster.
I limit the system to only run 20 instead of 24 at a time. As that many AP bog the system down to a noticeable level. This also extends the amount of time the cache will last. Even this it will run dry unless I also run multibeam work on it.
2700) Message boards : Number crunching : The current top cruncher (Message 1544480)
Posted 19 Jul 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I'm sure I'm not the only one, but I sent a PM a couple days ago stating that I'm not asking who he is or where he works or any of that, "I'm just wondering how many CPU cores you have at your disposal, and if your contribution to the science is short-term or long-term?"

I'm not holding onto any hope for a reply.

With they message before saying they were looking to load test their data center(s) I am going to guess short term, but we never know. They may have a permanent need for a load or partial load permanently. Even if it at a quarter of their current running it would still be a huge gain for the project in processing oomph.
2701) Message boards : Number crunching : Some questions about a laptop (Message 1544443)
Posted 19 Jul 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I removed the fan on my system and let it run full out to see if it would switch down form Burst. I tried to cook it but after a while the temps just kind of leveled off with the CPU staying in Burst mode the whole time. The room is about 2-3º warmer than when I took the other temps screenshot.

I didn't quite get up to your temps, but it looks like you may be near the hairy edge of getting it to go into Burst mode.
Unless the manufacture disabled Burst. When you have the system running without running BOINC the temps should be cool enough to see the lock go up if it is going to.

Hal, thx again for doing this test!

I think I found the "problem" last evening. Well, it's not a real problem, more like a malfunction or so. Pls check this screenshot:

http://i.imgur.com/pWIrakK.png

As you can see RealTemp shows a core speed of 2166.66 MHz while CPU-Z shows 2416.62 MHz. So my CPU is actually running in burst but it looks like RealTemp just can't read the correct speed. I may check with a third program but I'm pretty sure that CPU-Z is showing the correct values.

Conclusion: Never trust a single program ;-)

You are absolutly right Glenn! I won't run the GPU anymore while it is that hot here. Without GPU I get a max core temp of 76 degrees which is ok I guess. But 88 after running the GPU for just 12 minutes seems just too much. I'm sure it would hit 90+ degrees after running a bit longer. And it's just a slow, intergrated Intel GPU, so it's absolutly not worth taking a risk here. It's just a cheap €299 laptop but still I want it to run for some time.


I have seen other apps that did not correctly read speeds when the CPU was above the normal maximum speed. Such as Turbo Boost or in this case Burst. They are probably just looking at the "max clock rate" value and saying "OK we are at 100% so that means we are at this clock speed".
I tend to use several different apps for things. As I mentioned before the HWiNFO didn't agree on the core temps, but 2 other apps did. I tend to have more trust in that apps from cpuid these days, but they still can get things wrong now and then. Like after running for several days & telling me the max GPU temp was 250ºC or that I had a fan speed of 65,000 RPM (even though there is no fan on that connection).

The Bay Trail chips have a maximum core temp of 105°C, but that doesn't mean they will be happy running at 104°C. I prefer to only run up to about 10ºC shy of the maximum temperature that Intel states. I imagine the built in throttling mechanisms should kick in before temps get to near the maximum values. It is better to be safe than sorry with something you want to last a long time though.
2702) Message boards : Number crunching : A journey: iGPU slowing CPU processing (Message 1544064)
Posted 18 Jul 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Yes, I'd guess it matters *what* you're running on the CPU cores, not just 'how many'.

I normally run a couple of light-weight BOINC projects:
NumberFields@Home (integer only)
SIMAP (floating point, but no SIMD variants)

SIMAP is dark between batches at the moment, so I'm picking up LHCclassic, which has SSE3 apps and - unusually - a glut of work at the moment. The iGPU has slowed down.

A few weeks ago, I ran an intensive batch of Einstein CasA. That has probably inherited some derivative of Akos Fakete's hand-whittled machine code in its hot loops: it slowed the iGPU by something approaching 50%. These things are interconnected and influence each other.

It certainly does seem to be that way.
I was going to run CPU & GPU MB again to make sure it want an Intel driver issue. Then I remembered that I only just switched my 2nd i5-4670k over to running AP from 4 CPU MB + 1 iGPU MB. It still has pending MB tasks from last week with normal times CPU times & I last updated the Intel driver in May.

From the tests I have done these configurations are true for my Haswell systems. I speculate that Ivy Bridge would have similar results.
With red indicating extended, nearly double, run times for the app(s).
Configuration:
4 CPU MB + No iGPU running
4 CPU MB + 1 iGPU MB
4 CPU AP + No iGPU running
4 CPU AP + 1 iGPU MB
4 CPU AP + 1 iGPU AP
1 CPU AP + 1 iGPU AP

There is still a configuration I haven't tested yet to determine if there is a slow down in any of the apps.
4 CPU MB + 1 iGPU AP
3 CPU MB + 1 iGPU AP I should also check this since the iGPU AP app looks to use about 10-12% CPU.

I still have several other test to do on my Silvermont/Bay Trail system as it does not seem to incur any extended run time issues when using its iGPU.
2703) Message boards : Number crunching : A journey: iGPU slowing CPU processing (Message 1544048)
Posted 18 Jul 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Configuration: 4 CPU AP + 1 iGPU AP
At 24 minutes run time the 4 CPU AP they were 5% complete.
On track for ~8 hr run time
At 36 minutes run time the 1 iGPU AP it was 20% complete.
On track for ~3 hr run time

I suspended those 4 CPU AP and changed to this with 3 new tasks to see their times.
Configuration: 3 CPU AP + 1 iGPU AP

I have a feeling the CPU will come up with ~8hr run times.

I feel I may need to retest. I may have had those numbers with a different Intel driver or something else.
Configuration: 4 CPU MB + 1 iGPU MB
Configuration: 4 CPU MB, No iGPU running
2704) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (88) Server Problems? (Message 1544046)
Posted 18 Jul 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I noticed a large number of other ports seemed to switch as well. Not even ones on the same asic or even in the same blade. Looks like they might be looking at a backplane failure.

Since this equipment is handled by the campus IT staff. I imagine they have it under a service contract & will have the full redundancy restored soon.

If the servers were still in the lab and this happened we probably would have to have an emergency fundraiser to get replacement equipment.
2705) Message boards : Number crunching : Some questions about a laptop (Message 1544044)
Posted 18 Jul 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I removed the fan on my system and let it run full out to see if it would switch down form Burst. I tried to cook it but after a while the temps just kind of leveled off with the CPU staying in Burst mode the whole time. The room is about 2-3º warmer than when I took the other temps screenshot.

I didn't quite get up to your temps, but it looks like you may be near the hairy edge of getting it to go into Burst mode.
Unless the manufacture disabled Burst. When you have the system running without running BOINC the temps should be cool enough to see the lock go up if it is going to.
2706) Message boards : Number crunching : A journey: iGPU slowing CPU processing (Message 1544040)
Posted 18 Jul 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The apps I have been using are the latest.

mb7_win_x86_sse_opencl_intel_r2170
ap6_win_x86_sse2_opencl_intel_r2180

In that thread on Einstein I believe Raistmer mentioned something about this could be driver dependent. Unless that was referring to something else.
I am using the most recent drive from Intel which they released in April after these apps. So perhaps that that might be part of it.

Running just the iGPU for AP looks alright
Configuration: No CPU + 1 iGPU AP
iGPU time ~3 hr

So I will give this a go and see what happens.
Configuration: 4 CPU AP + 1 iGPU AP

With the CPU usage of the iGPU AP application I may want to pull that down to 3 CPU AP, but I want to see what happens this way first.
2707) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (88) Server Problems? (Message 1544008)
Posted 18 Jul 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Now THIS is mighty odd....
The Cricket graphs appear to have dropped dead about an hour and a half ago, but work is still flowing.
Can't really recall that scenario before.

I am going to guess that it is just an error in the cricket collection of the SNMP data.

I suspect so. The Crickets live on a server too, and it has gone down once in a long while.

Actually it looks like we got moved to the other router.
http://fragment1.berkeley.edu/newcricket/grapher.cgi?target=/router-interfaces/inr-210/gigabitethernet6_17&ranges=d%3Aw&view=Octets
That port is also named srb-ssi-seti-net and it looks like it picks up exactly where the other one ended.
2708) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (88) Server Problems? (Message 1544001)
Posted 18 Jul 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Now THIS is mighty odd....
The Cricket graphs appear to have dropped dead about an hour and a half ago, but work is still flowing.
Can't really recall that scenario before.

I am going to guess that it is just an error in the cricket collection of the SNMP data.
2709) Message boards : Number crunching : A journey: iGPU slowing CPU processing (Message 1543976)
Posted 18 Jul 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Raistmer did some tuning work on his iGPU applications with Oliver Bock of Einstein, round about October 2013 (see Support for (integrated) Intel GPUs (Ivy Bridge and later)). I think you'll find the SETI builds later than that will run much better when the CPU is fully loaded.

I'll have to read through that.
It looks like all of the OpenCL builds I'm running are dated 2014 March. I grabbed them from Mikes site looks like early June from the compressed file date stamps.
2710) Message boards : Number crunching : A journey: iGPU slowing CPU processing (Message 1543968)
Posted 18 Jul 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Running on this machine.
Configuration: No CPU + 1 iGPU AP

About 10 minutes in on the AP task & the clock for the iGPU is all over the place(MB keeps it at a solid 1.2GHz), but at about 5%. So maybe around 3 hours depending on what the task turns out to have in it.
I am also running it with an empty ap_cmdline.txt. So some tweaks might even out the clock rate.
2711) Message boards : Number crunching : A journey: iGPU slowing CPU processing (Message 1543959)
Posted 18 Jul 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hal, I suspect the Haswell "smart cache" implementation may be at least part of the problem. SaH v7 tasks use a lot of cache when doing various operations, and having that single 6 MiB cache shared between all processing units may thrash it.

It might also be interesting to see how AP on the iGPU interacts with CPU processing. There's an open Beta at Crunchers Anonymous for AP6_win_x86_SSE2_OpenCL_Intel_r2180.
                                                                   Joe

I was just wondering if the cache might be the issue & perhaps that could be why I am not seeing the same behavior on Silvermont/Bay Trail-D. It uses a separate 1MB cache for each pair of cores. I am not sure how the iGPU is allocated cache in that configuration. The block diagram here may be helpful in some way.

I did try the iGPU AP app a while back. I even pumped out 12 tasks on this machine. It was dreadfully slow. Around 12-13 hours per AP IIRC. However I was running 4 MB tasks on the CPU. At the time I just figured the iGPU must not be good at doing AP & moved on.

The next step is obviously to run AP on the iGPU alone & see how it responds.
2712) Message boards : Number crunching : A journey: iGPU slowing CPU processing (Message 1543734)
Posted 18 Jul 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Forgot to list the MB CPU apps previously:
akv8c_r2202_x64_avx
akv8c_r2202_x64_ssse3

I ran several more tests.
Configuration: 3 CPU AP + 1 iGPU MB
Configuration: 2 CPU AP + 1 iGPU MB
Configuration: 1 CPU AP + 1 iGPU MB

In each test the results were:
CPU times 7.5-8 hr, iGPU times ~1 hr

Now it seem less like a memory bottleneck to me.
The iGPU seems to be doing something that is causing the AP tasks to run nearly twice as slow.

Giving a test with -cpu_lock to see what happens. If the AP CPU times are still slowed with that setting I will probably just configure to only run iGPU when running MB is running on all 4 CPU.
2713) Message boards : Number crunching : Some questions about a laptop (Message 1543725)
Posted 18 Jul 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Sorry, didn't see that, thx Hal!
So yeah, your temps are MUCH lower. I guess that's because your machine ain't a laptop. So maybe I have to wait for winter to see my machine run in burst;-)

I suppose you could but blocks of dry ice to set the laptop on. That should keep it nice and cool. :)

The heatsink on my system is quite large. It looks like it might be twice the size of the one on my Core 2 Duo T7200 system. Which i on an old Abit il-90mv motherboard.
The C2D T7200 is the system that the Celeron J1900 is replacing. At least it will when I am done testing it. Then get around to getting the rest of the parts for the system so that it isn't laying sprawled out across a table.
2714) Message boards : Number crunching : Some questions about a laptop (Message 1543703)
Posted 18 Jul 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Perhaps it is to warm to run in Burst mode? Your cores temps are well below the designed limit of 100ºC.

Power settings on the laptop will also limit the CPU (and GPU) maximum frequencies.

Do you mean the cpu settings in advanced energy options? Those are set to 100%.

BTW: Not getting any tasks for GPU may have a simple reason: I used the lunatics installer and simply may not have any app info for Intel GPU. I will try to fix that at evening when I'm back home.


@Hal9000: Would be great if you could check your temps/clock speed!

Linked to an image in this post.
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=75172&postid=1543438#1543438
2715) Message boards : Number crunching : Some questions about a laptop (Message 1543700)
Posted 18 Jul 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Perhaps it is to warm to run in Burst mode? Your cores temps are well below the designed limit of 100ºC.

Power settings on the laptop will also limit the CPU (and GPU) maximum frequencies.

True. I always configure all of my machines for High performance. Then adjust the settings for when on battery a bit lower than maximum.
The laptop manufacture could also limit the functionality to a greater amount than Intel designed it in order to maximize battery life.
2716) Message boards : Number crunching : A journey: iGPU slowing CPU processing (Message 1543505)
Posted 17 Jul 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Initially I didn't think anything of my AP times on my i5-4670K as they were faster than any other system I have run previously. After finding older generation i5's, with lower clock speeds, running AP tasks faster than my two i5-4670K systems I did some observations.

Apps used:
ap6_win_x64_avx_cpu_r2163
ap6_win_x64_sse3_cpu_r2163
mb7_win_x86_sse_opencl_intel_r2170

Times are based on:
MB tasks with an AR near 0.42
AP tasks with blanking between 0-5%

Configuration: 4 CPU MB + 1 iGPU MB
CPU times ~2 hr, iGPU times ~1 hr

Configuration: 4 CPU MB, No iGPU running
CPU times ~2 hr

Configuration: 4 CPU AP + 1 iGPU MB
CPU times 7.5-8 hr, iGPU times ~1 hr

Configuration: 4 CPU AP, No iGPU running
CPU times 4-4.5 hr

Currently I am testing
Configuration: 3 CPU AP + 1 iGPU MB

If that provides fruitful I am going to test.
Configuration: 3 CPU AP + 1 CPU MB + 1 iGPU MB

From these observations it looks like running 4 AP tasks with MB on the iGPU might possibly be hitting the memory bandwidth limit. Given the iGPU was not slowed with the 4 AP tasks. It looks like the iGPU might be given priority to the memory.

I am also testing this on my Silvermont based system. It does not show a change in speed when not using the iGPU. Perhaps 4 AP tasks are maxing it out alone.
2717) Message boards : Number crunching : Some questions about a laptop (Message 1543438)
Posted 17 Jul 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Even if the two apps I'm using don't agree on the exact temps. The temps on my machine are much lower. The ambient room temp is about 82ºF/28ºC.
2718) Message boards : Number crunching : Some questions about a laptop (Message 1543387)
Posted 17 Jul 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I soon figured out that I don't have the time and nerves right now to learn linux, so I had to install Windows. I chose 8.1 because I couldn't find any Intel HD drivers for Windows 7.

Any ideas why I don't get work for GPU?

You can always get their drivers from http://downloadcenter.intel.com
In your SETI@home preferences is Use Intel GPU set to Yes?

Yes, GPU use activated in both, seti account settings and client. The GPU is recognized, but no work for GPU is requested.

Some other things that I discoverd within the last hour:

- According to RealTemp the CPU is always running at 2.166 GHz but never goes into Burst (2.42 GHz). HAL9000 said that his CPU runs with Burst-Frequency all the time, so I wonder why mine doesn't?!?

- I suspended Seti and resumed it fter a few minutes and it took very long until the tasks showed progress again. They were stuck at the same percentage for about 10 minutes. I never saw something like that on my desktop.

Perhaps it is to warm to run in Burst mode? Your cores temps are well below the designed limit of 100ºC. I'll have to check mine and see what the temps are and where its cut over temp is for Burst.
2719) Message boards : Number crunching : New to SETI@home, have some questions. (Message 1543074)
Posted 17 Jul 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hal900 I noticed your stats don't have Einstein so I'm asumeing you havn,t done it and it's been a while since I did all I can remember they did take a long time just can't remember how long so he mite not have a problem wish I could member how long they took .

Your get more credit per unit as they do take a while to complete my Rac doubled I think when I did it and why it's at 1.9 mill and seti is only just got passed 1 mill

So if HT isn't the prob maybe he don't have a prob now I think back AP's mite just take some 36hrs the Gpu I think took 9hrs oh well

Change to Seti and then he can get a better comparison

I have not run Einstein. It is just one I haven't chose to play around with yet.

As I have a machine rather similar to the OP's machine I can see there SETI@home performance is a bit lower than expected. So I suggested changes for improving it. Having and older OpenCL runtime with a newer driver can be a source of problems. Changes to improve their SETI@home performance I imagine would carry over to Einstein.

Lunatics 64-bit SSSE3 app & HT enabled, while running 8 tasks, provided 31.2% greater output & consumed 11.1% more power. Compared to just running 4 tasks.


Hal9000 I am thinking that I'm not that far off about HT as you said you only get a 30% increase but your doing 100% more work so maybe it's just the fact your doing so many that gives a increase at all .

I would expect there to be at least 80% increase not only 30% which is fine for the better chips but a 2 core I3 with 4 threads mmmmm

Your expectations for HT are to to high then. The normal expected gains from HT are 15-35%. When using HT tasks run a bit slower, but running twice as many = more work done over time. This machine Will run 8 AP at a time with times around 16 hours vs running 4 at a time in around 12 hours. So in 48 hours HT on = 24 tasks & HT off = 16 tasks. When running a reduced number of tasks with HT on times are somewhere in the middle.

So for SETI@home and what others have said about running Einstein on the GPU. It would seem they would want to run 3 CPU tasks & 1 GPU task to improve their performance.
2720) Message boards : Number crunching : wu's pending validation (Message 1543058)
Posted 17 Jul 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
i have wu's from the begining of june that still have not been validated
was just wondering what was going on

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/results.php?userid=9995198&offset=0&show_names=0&state=2&appid=11

As was said this is not uncommon. Luckily I only have tasks going back to March that are still pending.

Also your link is to your user task list is only accessible to you. Here is mine & you will get "Unable to handle request" message.
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/results.php?userid=792
If you want to direct others to something specific you have to do it by machine task list. Such as this.
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/results.php?hostid=7310554&offset=0&show_names=0&state=2&appid=
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/results.php?hostid=7313906&offset=0&show_names=0&state=2&appid=
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/results.php?hostid=7340582&offset=0&show_names=0&state=2&appid=

Also good news. The tasks seem to have been validated. As your oldest current pending was returned July 11th.
2721) Message boards : Number crunching : New to SETI@home, have some questions. (Message 1542921)
Posted 17 Jul 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hal8000 the chip he is running I think is 1st gen I3 so HT mite not be too good.

Still not used to this AMD but it does have 8 cores and 8 threads but I only see 8 not 16 and I have not seen how to turn HT on the M/B

Gigabyte 970a-d3p m/b so I'm not shore if it has it as I havn't found it yet any help would be most grate full and then I can try it and see if I get much of a improvement

There is the heating prob he has maybe it's just getting to hot if you reackon HT doesn't do anything ...me not so shore but i'll take what you said on board and leave my judgement till I can try myself

Their i3-2100 is a 2nd generation. I have a first generation i3-390M.

Hyper-Threading is an Intel technology, but not to worry. Your chip has 8 cores, but only 4 FPUs. With 1 FPU being shared between 2 cores. So it has a similar effect to having a 4 core processor with HT.

HT does increase heat but their temps are within normal limits. Also their HD6450 is running a bit cooler than my HD6370 is right now pumping out AP work.
2722) Message boards : Number crunching : The current top cruncher (Message 1542904)
Posted 17 Jul 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
So he possible doesn't have even a Hackintosh but runs OSX from a VM mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Don't listen to me I'm just a DUMB DUMB like our PM hahahahahah joke guys

Unless someone asks them, or they post what they are running. It is all just speculation fun.
"And now it is time for everyones favorite game. Guess how much their electric bill might be!"
2723) Message boards : Number crunching : New to SETI@home, have some questions. (Message 1542903)
Posted 17 Jul 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hal I had a m/b with HYPER thread and I didn't know at the time when machine started up it looke like 2 cores on the task manager so I thought great till it started doing seti and was so dam slow.

So after a bit of investigation I found out it was only a Pentium chip 1 core but the m/b had HYPER THREAD and when I turn'd it off it speed up so I have never used HYPER THREAD for this reason as you said it's a Virtual core and it will slow things down

I think you may have had another issue with your system slowing down. I've been using HT since it came out on the Pentium 4 without any issues. I recently just compared the efficiency of the current apps with HT on and off on one of my i7-860 systems. Using the Lunatics 64-bit SSSE3 app & HT enabled, while running 8 tasks, provided 31.2% greater output & consumed 11.1% more power. Compared to just running 4 tasks.
I have not run this same test of the 20 or so other machines I have that are running HT, but I would expect a similar result. Possibly with the older generation hardware showing less of a performance to power usage gain.
There are some types of processing that do not gain any benefit from HT. If there are BOINC projects that are like this I would limit the concurrent number of those tasks running at once.
2724) Message boards : Number crunching : New to SETI@home, have some questions. (Message 1542887)
Posted 17 Jul 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Robert as I have already told you

TURN OFF HYPER THREADING YOU ONLY HAVE 2 FREAKING CORES ON THAT CHIP MATE

it's that freaking simple you can only do a total of 2 units on the CPU NOT 4 or 6
CPU on seti uses 0.04% of cpu to feed the GPU

THE FACT YOUR OVERHEATING IT AND RUNNING WAY TO MANY UNITS LOOK at my score for Einstein nearly 2 million mate

You have to turn off the HYPER THREADING Einstein units do take longer to do but not that long

The setting should be on the M/B TURN IT OFF

I have no idea where you are getting them running 5 or 6 tasks on the CPU, or that their system is overheating. There is no reason for them to disable Hyper-Threading.

When running Astropulse on a GPU a "core" per AP task should be reserved. Which they can easily do by setting their processor usage to 75% of the processors. It doesn't matter if it is a real core or a virtual HT core. Running 3 MB on the CPU & one free for the 1 AP GPU task. Which is how I configured my i3 system. Even before I reserved a "core" the AP tasks never ran as long as the tasks on that system.
2725) Message boards : Number crunching : New to SETI@home, have some questions. (Message 1542798)
Posted 16 Jul 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
My HD6370M in my notebook runs about 6 hours for a SETI@home AP task with about 10-15 minutes of CPU time. With your GPU being rated at 200-240 GFLOPS vs mine at 120GFLOPS I would imagine your AP tasks would run much faster and use less CPU time.

Perhaps the driver set you are using is not the most ideal. Which could also be true for the Einstein work.

The Cat 13.1 set is bad as it has an OpenCL runtime compiler bug. It might apply to all projects that run OpenCL. I am not sure, but probably.

Looking at the tasks you have complete. You have a version of drivers anywhere from Cat 12.6 to 13.4 & a really old OpenCL runtime from 11.6.

I would suggest shutting down BOINC. Uninstall the video package and clean out your old driver with some tools to get rid of the old junk. Display Driver Uninstaller has been suggested before as a good tool to use.

Then freshly install drivers. The current Cat 14.4 should be OK.
2726) Message boards : Number crunching : The current top cruncher (Message 1542782)
Posted 16 Jul 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Can someone elaborate on "Pulling a NEZ" ? That one is over my head!

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=56411
2727) Message boards : Number crunching : The current top cruncher (Message 1542777)
Posted 16 Jul 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Well, I found some circumstantial evidence in my databsse that seems to support the "mostly Mac" theory. I found that over 90% of the host IDs added to my DB between 7330981 and 7331846 are owned by Anonymous, 159 of them, all added to S@h on July 6. (A host gets added to my DB the first time it serves as a wingmate on a WU that one of my hosts received.) I checked a handful of them and all appeared to be 16-processor Darwin boxes, though I saw a couple different Intel chips listed.

As I said, it's just circumstantial, but the addition of these machines seems to coincide with our rising star. I'm sure there are a lot more Anonymous machines in there that I just haven't happened to be paired with (yet), such as the one Juan mentioned.

Maybe one of the stat sites lists all of the hosts by ID. That would be helpful. That would be faster than downloading the stats dump. With the hosts file being about 600MB compresses it isn't something I want to parse.

Given the Xeon X5675 is a 6c/12t chip that does support the idea that the OS might be in a VM.
2728) Message boards : Number crunching : The current top cruncher (Message 1542771)
Posted 16 Jul 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I want a Hackintosh..lol..but I'm betting he's running true Macs..

I thought I wanted a Hackintosh, 'til I found you had to use someone's hacked OSX image. I wasn't impressed. Then I had problems with the 2008 Intel board I bought to use as a Hack. Seems Intel 'fixed' their board to where it wouldn't post when a video card with a Mac Rom was used for the main monitor. Bad Intel, BAD! Then I had Ram problems with the same board so I gave up on it. Now I have corrected the Ram problem and have a worthy PC video card. But you still have to use someone else's hacked system. Dunno, maybe someday.

We didn't get very far trying this at work either. We were even using Optiplex 745 machines that were listed on the hackintish site as fully compatible.

The last true Xserve boxes I am aware of were only dual Core 2 Quad based Xeons, but I'm not a huge Apple person. Do you think Apple still working with companies to produce Xserve setups?
2729) Message boards : Number crunching : The current top cruncher (Message 1542763)
Posted 16 Jul 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Or they are just running the linux machines they mentioned.

This problem only exists with the OS X Seti client... If there is no fix, I'll have to switch away from implementing Seti in our datacenters across the board.

Posts by Charles Long
Sounds like a bunch of Macs to me. Someone can't read that? He made 3 posts about getting all 16 cores on his 16 core OSX machines to work. Then mentioned his Datacenter machines that are also having the same problem. Seems pretty convincing to me.

He was asking about a problem he as having on the MAC systems, but also stated Linux boxen were in the mix.
Here ya go. http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=74994&postid=1530999
In addition, my Linux hosts, which use the same global settings, do not have a 8 task limitation and use the all available cores; I have tested multiple systems with different numbers of cores and this is always the case. That and other projects on OS X, such as asteroidsathome, which use the same global settings, they also use all available cores. This limitation is exclusive to the setiathome OS X client.
2730) Message boards : Number crunching : The current top cruncher (Message 1542696)
Posted 16 Jul 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
he might be running it down when I checked a hour or 2 ago at free-dc it looked like he mite be backing off

grrr bloody hope so man 18 mil a day ............................picks jaw up off the floor

The stat sites only update about once a day from the dump that the servers do. Yesterday they had a lower number because of maintenance. Since yesterday they have already gained over 14,000,000 credit.
2731) Message boards : Number crunching : The current top cruncher (Message 1542691)
Posted 16 Jul 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Well, 2 things are apparent;
1) He's running a roomful of Mac Pros
2) He's only using half the CPU cores

That can be assumed by his posts, http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/show_user.php?userid=9906795

Another assumption would be he isn't using any of the GPUs since there Still Isn't a Stock Mac GPU App. I believe I've mentioned that. Someone should write up a script that can easily install the GPU App on multiple machines. Then you might see a real RAC :-)

Interesting he can't use more than 8 cores on his Mac. I remember a thread about that somewhere around here. Here it is, New Mac Pro 6 Core and higher I was convinced back then there was a problem with BOINC on a Mac.

Or they are just running the linux machines they mentioned.
2732) Message boards : Number crunching : The current top cruncher (Message 1542573)
Posted 16 Jul 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Nothing extraordinary about the hardware. He is ussing normal 16 cores Xeon´s servers, but a lot of them... If you where curious take a look on one of his 100´s hosts:

Here's a direct link.

What is extraordinary is his contribution to the project, with in few days he manage to pass >100MM (actualy by last stats 113MM). He is doing about 8% of the total daily production of the entire project by last Free-DC stats.

Hope he keep his farm running for a while.

I dunno. I think this machine is something special.
2733) Message boards : Number crunching : The current top cruncher (Message 1542571)
Posted 16 Jul 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thanks everyone for commenting.

Wiggo, a data center it seems to be then? Talk about a crunchers dream.

Hal, I have never heard of a 10c/20t CPU system. Sounds interesting, I'll have to give that one a google! Is mikeej42 running in some sort of facility then as well?

You have been able to get 10 core processors for over 3 years now. There are 12 and 15 core ones as well if you prefer. You can see the Intel products on their ARK site.

I think mikeej42 worked at a place where they got to worked with the systems when there was free time on them.
2734) Message boards : Number crunching : The current top cruncher (Message 1542415)
Posted 16 Jul 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I think mikeej42 was running just over 1,000,000 when they had their systems at full tilt.
Before that we had someone with some 10c/20t CPU systems in 4 and 8 sockets giving their machines a go with SETI@home. That person helped show some bugs/issues with how BOINC handled systems with more than 60 cores IIRC.

Always interesting what hardware some people bring to play around and have us drool all over.
2735) Message boards : Number crunching : Weirdness in BOINC Stats for Myself as SETI User (Message 1542401)
Posted 16 Jul 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
112 Mark Lybeck 94,586,582 91,070 730,551 3,650,571 113,906 1
113 DeltaCTC@PJ 94,434,086 0 0 0 0
114 PhoenixdiGB 93,939,133 59,591 367,407 1,477,828 50,458 10
115 jravin 93,764,438 84,592 585,346 2,646,937 84,899 6
116 SameOldFatMan 93,496,780 2,058 20,317 106,682 3,261
117 Dick 92,912,069 8,531 60,232 174,137 6,848 143


In the above, I went from #114 to #115 today in total SETI credits, yet I do not see how anyone passed me. The guy just ahead of me (by ~175K) is running fewer credits/day than me, so he can't be the one.

Am I missing something?

Probably Charles Long, #90. He's rocketing up the charts!

Yeah pumping out 18,000,000 a day will do that.
Which is why I like to watch the Overtake stats. Which is where I first saw Charles a few days ago. A few hours ago he had only just passed 100,000,000 and now he is already well beyond me.
2736) Message boards : Number crunching : CPU or GPU that is the question (Message 1542338)
Posted 16 Jul 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thx a lot for help.

Do you honestly believe that dust can cause that?:D
Restart? ok, i will try. I am restarting laptop about once a week or two. So maybe this. Or perhaps drivers are not so good? Only thinking..¨
Now I am executing 8 threads in virtual machine. Some tasks takes almost 3 hours now. I have feeling that run 4 task at the time will be more better. After all it is quadore core with ht.

Dust causes overheating. Overheating can cause computation errors or other odd issues.
2737) Message boards : Number crunching : CPU or GPU that is the question (Message 1542333)
Posted 16 Jul 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

Jesus man!!! 600 points for one task? How can i do it:D I am receiving about 60-100 points for one task (no matter if CPU or GPU).

He is referring to AstroPulse tasks. They take much longer. So pay more credit.
It looks like your GPU completed one recently, but based on the times it seems it ran completely on the CPU.


Is there a way to calculate just them? I see astropulse task from time to time. But like VERY rare instance.
And task you are mentioned run recenlty. I did noticed it on screen. It was calculated on GPU.
I have compared my compute time with compute time of other user and mine is VERY long. I dont know why. It is mobile GPU but not weak. It is even newer GPU than other user has.

Sure. Go to your preferences and check only "AstroPulse v6". Then make sure to uncheck "If no work for selected applications is available, accept work from other applications?".
Astropulse work is not as constant as MB work. So your machines may sit idle if you do that.

Also with Astropulse on a GPU. There are some parts that the GPU can not do. Which we call "blanking". For those parts processing has to fall back to the CPU, but for this task since the CPU time(5,294.49) is almost exactly the run time(5,320.55). It spent 0.995102% of the time on the CPU instead of running mostly on the GPU. Your wingmate only spent about 420 seconds on the CPU.


Ah! thx HAL9000:) I will try your settings! Thx a lot.
Do you now why wingmate spent less time on CPU and more on GPU?

I have noticed that AP tasks for GPU use more CPU power than others.

The other person spent 10272.76 seconds on the task, but only 419.77 seconds on the CPU. So the other 9852.99 seconds were spent on the GPU. Which is what you want to see.
It is the same for MB tasks. Where you will see Run time: 2125.27 seconds & CPU time: 90.72 seconds.
If a task is assigned to the GPU & you see the RUN time = CPU time. Generally something has gone wrong. Nine times out of ten you may just need to reboot the system or clean the dust out of a heatsink. Other more persistent issues require troubleshooting help with those experienced with such problems.
2738) Message boards : Number crunching : CPU or GPU that is the question (Message 1542312)
Posted 15 Jul 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

Jesus man!!! 600 points for one task? How can i do it:D I am receiving about 60-100 points for one task (no matter if CPU or GPU).

He is referring to AstroPulse tasks. They take much longer. So pay more credit.
It looks like your GPU completed one recently, but based on the times it seems it ran completely on the CPU.


Is there a way to calculate just them? I see astropulse task from time to time. But like VERY rare instance.
And task you are mentioned run recenlty. I did noticed it on screen. It was calculated on GPU.
I have compared my compute time with compute time of other user and mine is VERY long. I dont know why. It is mobile GPU but not weak. It is even newer GPU than other user has.

Sure. Go to your preferences and check only "AstroPulse v6". Then make sure to uncheck "If no work for selected applications is available, accept work from other applications?".
Astropulse work is not as constant as MB work. So your machines may sit idle if you do that.

Also with Astropulse on a GPU. There are some parts that the GPU can not do. Which we call "blanking". For those parts processing has to fall back to the CPU, but for this task since the CPU time(5,294.49) is almost exactly the run time(5,320.55). It spent 0.995102% of the time on the CPU instead of running mostly on the GPU. Your wingmate only spent about 420 seconds on the CPU.
2739) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (88) Server Problems? (Message 1542310)
Posted 15 Jul 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
However part of the increase could be from this user which seems to be stress testing a freaking data center & chucking out 18,000,000 credits worth of work a day.

Okay, now I'm intrigued. And of course the computer list is hidden.

And at least one of their systems has more than an 8-core OSX machine, because all three posts they've ever done were in a thread asking how to get more than 8 to run at a time in OSX.

I only noticed them because they showed up on one of the stat overtake pages for me with over a million RAC & I thought "that can't be right", but it seems it is.
Their first post did mention something about load testing their data centers IIRC.
2740) Message boards : Number crunching : CPU or GPU that is the question (Message 1542305)
Posted 15 Jul 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

Jesus man!!! 600 points for one task? How can i do it:D I am receiving about 60-100 points for one task (no matter if CPU or GPU).

He is referring to AstroPulse tasks. They take much longer. So pay more credit.
It looks like your GPU completed one recently, but based on the times it seems it ran completely on the CPU.
2741) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (88) Server Problems? (Message 1542278)
Posted 15 Jul 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
At least we will finally see the end of files 29my13ac and 29no13aa after all these weeks.

Cheers.

or not... :/ A tape just showed up and it splitting AP. :)
With how the client operates on FIFO one would think the splitters would also work that way with data.

The splitters are working on those 2 files as we speak. ;-)

Cheers.

Oh I was thinking of 31au13aa, 31au13ac, & 31mr13ae. Which I am pretty sure have been there for months.
2742) Message boards : Number crunching : CPU or GPU that is the question (Message 1542263)
Posted 15 Jul 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

Their tasks are running about 6.5-7 hours, at 3.1GHz?, where mine are running 7.5-8 hours at 3.4GHz. For tasks with the same blanking. So I certainly hope they are doing some overclocking, or Sandy Bridge processors are somehow much more efficient than Haswell.
I'll have to find some more systems for comparison.

Well I based my numbers here working on the average time a core on my 2500K @ 3.4GHz will do an AP in, which is 6hrs (you can check if you like), at a conservative average of 600 credits per task equals 9600 credits in 24hrs if using all 4 cores (but I'm feeding 3 GPU's)).

Also remember that a i5 2400 is very limited in its ability for overclocking.

Cheers.

It turns out to be operator error. See my edit on my post. I switched one of my 4670Ks over to the SSE3 app to see how that goes. Given it finally stabilized around 10K after running 5 months in its current configuration.
2743) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (88) Server Problems? (Message 1542254)
Posted 15 Jul 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
At least we will finally see the end of files 29my13ac and 29no13aa after all these weeks.

Cheers.

or not... :/ A tape just showed up and it splitting AP. :)
With how the client operates on FIFO one would think the splitters would also work that way with data.
2744) Message boards : Number crunching : CPU or GPU that is the question (Message 1542248)
Posted 15 Jul 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Here's two i5 2400 rigs,

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/show_host_detail.php?hostid=7046001

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/show_host_detail.php?hostid=6271752

Not bad for rigs working only on CPU power.

Cheers.

I'm going to say those two systems might be overclocked a bit. They are cranking out AP work faster than my two i5-4670K's with a 400MHz high clock.

Also technically my two i5-4670K systems are running CPU only. I am using the iGPU, but it is part of the CPU.

Those numbers HAL, after doing some maths here, are about right as if I wasn't driving video cards, my 2500K would be doing 9-9.5K on AP's alone. ;-)

Cheers.

Their tasks are running about 6.5-7 hours, at 3.1GHz?, where mine are running 7.5-8 hours at 3.4GHz. For tasks with the same blanking. So I certainly hope they are doing some overclocking, or Sandy Bridge processors are somehow much more efficient than Haswell.
I'll have to find some more systems for comparison.

EDIT:
Or I'm an idiot. Yeah. Let's go with that one.
I just remember I am running the AVX app on the CPU. It is probably why mine are running slower. The SSE version might be a better choice. Which I have not yet got to testing.
2745) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (88) Server Problems? (Message 1542232)
Posted 15 Jul 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The MB assimilator backlog has gone from rather large to seriously huge- second biggest backlog this year. 300,000 & growing.
Probably related to that is the steadily rising number of MB results waiting on validation. That which is usually around 2.6 million, has also spiked to the second biggest backlog this year- 3.53 million & climbing.

It does look like the assimilators & the validators haven't recovered after the server barfed on Friday.

However part of the increase could be from this user which seems to be stress testing a freaking data center & chucking out 18,000,000 credits worth of work a day.
2746) Message boards : Number crunching : CPU or GPU that is the question (Message 1542172)
Posted 15 Jul 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Here's two i5 2400 rigs,

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/show_host_detail.php?hostid=7046001

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/show_host_detail.php?hostid=6271752

Not bad for rigs working only on CPU power.

Cheers.

I'm going to say those two systems might be overclocked a bit. They are cranking out AP work faster than my two i5-4670K's with a 400MHz high clock.

Also technically my two i5-4670K systems are running CPU only. I am using the iGPU, but it is part of the CPU.
2747) Message boards : Number crunching : Some questions about a laptop (Message 1541743)
Posted 14 Jul 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Using lm-sensors with Psensor gets the job done for some people.

For some people the Linux apps run slower because of some kind of power saving feature enabled by default. There is a thread about that somewhere that we can find if you end up with that issue.
2748) Message boards : Number crunching : Some questions about a laptop (Message 1541540)
Posted 14 Jul 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thx so far everybody!

Yes, I also think that should be a nice low power cruncher. And with a TDP as low as 7.5 watts I hope that there won't be any thermal problems. Ofc there are also laptops with CPUs that need 35 watts or so and if you have a real graphics card that may use around 30 watts also. I'm sure you can't run those laptops without additional cooling 24/7. But the one I wanna get....how much power can it use overall when the screen is off? 15 watts maybe?

And look at the laptop which HAL9000 is running. The CPU has almost the same benchmark rating as the one I wanna get, the graphic unit seems to be similar, and he has an RAC of almost 2.5k on this machine!

My Celeron J1900(Bay Trail-D) is actually a desktop machine. Specifically it is this MB http://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/Q1900-ITX/. Also it has only been running for <3 weeks. So its RAC should go up a bit more before it stabilizes. Based on the daily number I am expecting around 3K RAC or so.
Comparing the two processors I would put money on the Pentium N3520 coming out faster. If it can stay at its "burst" frequency like my system is doing.
The Silvermont SoCs do seem to be a very nice "bang for the buck". I'm using a power supply that is far to large(525w), with two 3.5" HDDs so the PSU will stay on, & running balls out the system is drawing around 23w. Once I get a correctly sized PSU & switch to a 2.5" HDD I imagine the power draw will be <15w.

EDIT:
Also as far as the GPU crunching is concerned it runs fine even when I remote into the system with VNC. My older MoDT with the Intel chipset GMA graphics can be a bit sluggish in comparison for VNC. It isn't even doing any GPU computing! My main idea was to replace that older system with this one. Which sucks up almost 60W running 2 tasks at once... the nerve of that system!
2749) Message boards : Number crunching : AMD FireStream 9250 (Message 1541514)
Posted 14 Jul 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Did anyone look at the link? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMD_FireStream#AMD_stream_processing_lineup
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_AMD_graphics_processing_units#FireStream_Series
It' a RV770. Same as a HD 4850. Last I checked a 4850 worked with SETI.

It's old, slow, and sucks around 120 watts, but it should work. I think it will beat any 'new' $35 card out there. I would have bought a used 6850 off eBay for $50...oh wait...I did...twice.
:-)

So you are the one that outbid me on those cards! Wait no I was looking at more 6870's. :P

It is basically the same card as my HD4870. Those generation cards only had beta level OpenCL 1.0 support. My HD4870 would run work, but my HD5750, at 1008 GFLOP, would run the SETI@home apps much better & for only 86w vs the 150w of the HD4870. The last version of the Catalyst drivers that support these generations of cards is 12.4.
I was thinking of replacing the HD5750 in my HTPC with a HD7770 for the lower power consumption and the bump in performance 1280 GFLOP @ 80w. I may might just replace the HD6870 in my gaming machine with something more efficient and rotate the HD6870 down to the HTPC. However the current generation of cards don't look very exciting to me for the money.

I think the HD7770 might be the best bang for the buck ATI card under 90w still. Having said that I think NVIDIA cards are currently more efficient for MB & ATI more efficient for AP.
2750) Message boards : Number crunching : Net Neutrality (Message 1541128)
Posted 13 Jul 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Re: Netflix v. Comcast/Verizon

Netflix could easily just decide "fine, you want to extort us..we'll just block requests coming from your network. When your customers start flooding your complaints box and crippling your tech support lines, you'll realize what you did wrong."

If Comcast decides to sue Netflix for doing that, Netflix can counter with "how is that any different than you extorting us for providing a service that your customers use? It should be the customer that you extort, not the service."

And then the customers will sue for being extorted and in the end, it goes back to how it should be.

That's how I see it. This goes back into what Eric said in the first place whereby there are "peering agreements" and as long as everyone plays nice, then it is fine. Comcast doesn't own Netflix, so they can't control them, nor tell them what they are or are not allowed to do. Sure, Netflix might take a small hit with their client base and revenue for a short period until Comcast sees the error of their way, but even without net neutrality, if Netflix is suddenly unavailable to Comcast customers.. millions of customers are going to revolt and in the end, it seems to be a self-policing sort of deal anyway.

(btw.. I'm a Comcast customer since 2000, but it was Excite@Home back then. I've never had any issues or complaints about what they do or how things work because I've not yet been affected by anything.)

Perhaps you noticed how the ISPs threw a fit when Netflix started using the message “*Insert ISP name here* Network is crowded right now. Adjusting video for smoother playback.”

This also reminds of of the DirectTV/AMC conflict.
2751) Message boards : Number crunching : Some questions about a laptop (Message 1541125)
Posted 13 Jul 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have a Bay Trail-D machine I am running now. The PPW seems very good for it. It runs cool enough that it stays at its "burst" clock rate all the time. I did add a fan as the MB came fanless, but it a silent 80mm one I just plopped over the heatsink until I get a case for it.

Notebooks will vary. Mine have their air intake on the bottom. So setting them on something to raise the notebook about an inch to allow for better air intake seems to be sufficient for me. For one I used Lego to make supports for each for the 4 feet. The other I currently have sitting on my desk in a way that the intake hangs off the desk.
2752) Message boards : Number crunching : Net Neutrality (Message 1540471)
Posted 12 Jul 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I think one of the issues is that ISPs have painted themselves into a corner. Offering higher and higher bandwidth to users for the same or at a lower cost.

Over 10 years ago I started with 1.5Mb/384Kb for $50/mo. Now I get 25Mb/2Mb for the same cost. Which they did to compete with other ISPs. Now that people are actually using all of this bandwidth they said they could have & the government is enforcing that ISPs actually provide what they say. They have to spend the money to provide it. Instead of increasing the cost of the service which users wouldn't like. They are trying to stick it on the other end. Which is wrong.

IT is like having a toll road that leads to an amusing park. You pay to use the toll road, but they are trying to charge the amusement park for you using the toll road as well.
2753) Message boards : Number crunching : ASIC computers (Message 1540458)
Posted 12 Jul 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I'm not sure the ASICs could be repurposed in that way. See ASIC for seti.

Given the meaning -- Application-Specific Integrated Circuit -- I'm sure they can't be re-purposed. FPGAs (Field Programmable Gate Arrays) maybe, but they'd be devilishly hard to programme for SETI.

Programmable ASICs are not as rigid as people often think, but they are still limited.
2754) Message boards : Number crunching : ASIC computers (Message 1540118)
Posted 12 Jul 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I'm not sure the ASICs could be repurposed in that way. See ASIC for seti.
2755) Message boards : Number crunching : Some questions about BOINC for Android... (Message 1540050)
Posted 11 Jul 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Why not plug in a surge strip into the Cube Wall and plug/unplug from the surge strip... Perhaps less of a PITA???...??? YMMV


That is the obvious solution. However we are not allowed to use them in the cubes. Probably some electrical safety thing I would guess

running on LG G2, stock firmware and default settings on boinc, except for using 4 cores... I usually keep it connected to the charger during the night. Slightly warm when I disconnect it in the morning.

Still, I am not sure it's worth having seti running on a smartphone. They're just not made for crunching.

It can also be said there are a number of desktop machines that are not sufficiently engineered for crunching 24/7. However, That does not prevent us from giving it a go.
Once I get around to repairing my old MyTouch 3G Slide. I plan to play around with running stuff on it again. I may be able to leave it connected 24/7 without the battery in it & have it run still.
2756) Message boards : Number crunching : Some questions about BOINC for Android... (Message 1539778)
Posted 11 Jul 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
IMO there is one big problem with modern smartphones and BOINC. Let me explain:

As I said earlier in this thread, I own 2 android phones atm. My old phone, a Samsung Galaxy Ace 2, with 2 cores running at 1 GHz each, and my new phone, a Google (LG) Nexus 5, with a Snapdragon 800 SOC, that's 4 cores running at 2260 MHz.

Running Seti on the Samsung is no problem. It doesn't get hot, even on warm days the battery temperature stays below 35 degrees. You can run Seti 24/7 without problems.

The Nexus 5 is a complety different story. It's a quiet powerful phone but in my opinion it is just not made to run at full load for a longer time. When you run Seti on this phone it just takes a few minutes until it gets really hot. So no way to run Seti 24/7 on this phone unless you use some kind of active cooling. But ofc, nobody does this with a smartphone.

@HAL9000: Have you ever tried running Seti on your S4? I guess it's the same there.

I have used my S4. It is the 1.9GHz quad version instead of the 1.6/1.2 4+4 version. I thought I might have cooling issues with the hard rubbery case I have for it, but that didn't seem to be an issue. Using CPUz I did find that when running the core speeds were all over the place. So it looks like Samsung is doing something, probably in the interest of saving power, to throttle down the CPU most of the time.

The only real issue I had was power. When using all 4 cores a standard 500mA USB connection was not enough to keep the battery from discharging while running. I don't have a good solution for using a high powered wall charger at work. In our cubicals the outlets are inside the cube walls. Which makes plugging and unplugging a charger a PITA.

After a few weeks off running tasks on my phone I stopped until I can figure out some kind of power solution. I could rung 2 tasks & not have the problem, but what fun is that!
2757) Message boards : Number crunching : Some questions about BOINC for Android... (Message 1539743)
Posted 11 Jul 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Ok, one of those 2 tasks has been validated now. This task has been running for more then 3 days and I got 83 credits?!? I got more for shorter tasks on the same device. That's strange and I'm not sure if running Seti on android is really worth it :-(

My current phone, Galaxy S4, is much more powerful than several old desktops I still run. So by getting it working now the ever increasing power can be leveraged. I think someone mentioned that getting the mobile GPU to run is being looked at now. However only some of them support OpenCL. So it may take a generation or two to get that all worked out & the CPU in the phone isll probably be and 8 core 3GHz+ monster by then.
2758) Message boards : Number crunching : Does Astropulse use the GPU or not? (Message 1539095)
Posted 10 Jul 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Recently I have been "blessed" with having a couple of work units for astropulse download onto a couple of my machines. These are all stock Seti setups all though I have looked/read some of the text/setup directions on the Lunatics distribution.

Up to that point I had thought that Astropulse was chiefly a GPU-based process like the CUDAxx and opencl_at5_nocal/cat132 were. But when I look at the Bonic Gui Astropulse displays like a stock seti work unit running on one cpu per work unit.

I remember reading someplace in the Lunatics .41 setup that there was a version of Astropulse that ran 80% on the cpu and 20% on the GPU. And I remember another discussion where they had the cpu set very high in app_config.xml so that Astropulse wouldn't be "starved" for cpu cycles.

So are there multiple versions of the Astropulse exe? Or is the stock version really mostly/only running on the cpu not the gpu?

Thanks,
Tom

You can see what hardware is supported for each type of app on the Applications page.
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/apps.php
AP on GPU is a more recent addition than MB on GPU. Previously it was only on CPU.
Also if you look at the task list for a given machines you can see if the tasks are CPU or GPU. Such as your machine 7327799. Which has 2 CPU and 1 NVIDIA GPU AP task to do.

The lunatics app that ran 80/20 CPU/GPU was created for ATI CAL before OpenCL apps were created. ATI cards prior to the HD4000 series did not support OpenCL. I am not sure if the hybrid app is being set out along with the other stock applications or if you can only get it from the lunatics package.
2759) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows 7 this morning (Message 1538606)
Posted 9 Jul 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I don't have any systems set to auto update, but I would imagine that it has something to do with at least one of the updates from Patch Tuesday.

If a reboot doesn't make them happy you might need to start removing the most recent updates one at a time to see which ones borked it.
2760) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (88) Server Problems? (Message 1538206)
Posted 9 Jul 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
AP units are being splat, next stop, higher RAC junction...

except it looks like the stats page is locked up

The page updated fine with the correct time here Gary, maybe it just missed 1 of those 10min updates as it sometimes does.

But it looks like files 29my13ac and 29no13aa with stay uncompleted for a while longer yet. :-(

Cheers.

It misses them often enough I thought it only updated every 20 minutes.
2761) Message boards : Number crunching : Gpu 0.00% help please (Message 1537676)
Posted 8 Jul 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Edit: Apropos, my client_state.xml file, where that info should be coming from, says <gpu_active_frac>0.563743</gpu_active_frac> on a <active_frac>0.591852</active_frac> on a total <on_frac>0.162661</on_frac> :)

And my BOINC 6.10.58 do not record <gpu_active_frac> at all:
<time_stats>
    <on_frac>0.886804</on_frac>
    <connected_frac>0.999868</connected_frac>
    <active_frac>0.489243</active_frac>
    <last_update>1404425208.281250</last_update>
</time_stats>

The <time_stats> section was extensively revised from version v7.0.38 onwards (Autumn/Fall 2012) - I think the gpu version was added then.

I happen to have an old folder from BOINC 7.0.25 & it looks like they added the GPU info even sooner.
<time_stats>
    <on_frac>0.996655</on_frac>
    <connected_frac>0.984028</connected_frac>
    <active_frac>0.999932</active_frac>
    <gpu_active_frac>0.999929</gpu_active_frac>
    <last_update>1336436160.896650</last_update>
</time_stats>


Which as you said has changed greatly since then.

<time_stats>
    <on_frac>0.999997</on_frac>
    <connected_frac>0.999985</connected_frac>
    <cpu_and_network_available_frac>0.999884</cpu_and_network_available_frac>
    <active_frac>0.999899</active_frac>
    <gpu_active_frac>0.994169</gpu_active_frac>
    <client_start_time>1400351341.942099</client_start_time>
    <previous_uptime>4428072.873657</previous_uptime>
    <last_update>1404779410.799526</last_update>
</time_stats>
2762) Message boards : Number crunching : Optimised apps GeForce G210 (Message 1537422)
Posted 7 Jul 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I didn't see a great deal of difference between 2.3 and 3.2 on my GT 8500. So I just went with 3.2. I also haven't bothered to update the drive since 306.23
2763) Message boards : Number crunching : i7 4770K overheating when running seti@home (Message 1536653)
Posted 6 Jul 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
-[ snip ]-
Even without thermal compound, there is a reasonable amount of heat transfer, it's just not as good as using thermal compound (in the appropriate very small doses). The fact that your CPU got so hot when you first booted up indicates the heatsink wasn't attached properly.

Greetings Grant,

There is that possibility, I grant you that. But, when installing the pump/heat sink the third time I did it exactly the same way as the first installation and when doing the re-installation with Vaseline. Perhaps I used too much Vaseline, I don't know. All I know for sure is when I put the Arctic Silver 5 on the heat sink and reinstalled it, the temps were back to normal.

As painstaking as it is to install that pump/heat sink, I won't be doing it again with Vaseline just to test the theory that I may have installed it wrong. Too much care has to be taken to be sure the pump is installed correctly. That is why I say I don't think I installed it wrong even though the possibility exists.

Another possibility just came to mind. I researched the i7 860 CPU and found it to be notorious at running very hot, hence my use of a liquid cooling system. I could not run BOINC with the stock fan. Perhaps the Vaseline is not up to snuff when it comes to this particular CPU. If I were to run without the aide of TThrottle, running on 8 cores would fry the CPU, even with the liquid cooler. That is why I got this new case which comes with 6 externally accessible filters over intake fans.

Have a great weekend! :)

Keep on BOINCing...! :)

The stock cooler for the i7-860 is not sufficient when the ambient temp gets over 75ºF. On my old HTPC went with a Venomous X-RT. These days it runs perfectly happy with the high ambient temps the system seems sitting up in my loft. Where it get much hotter than the rest of my condo.
I don't have a thermostat up there at the moment. However the 2.5" SATA drive in that system is reading 42ºC while the 2.5" SATA drive in a system on the main level is reading 27ºC. With that high internal case temp and running 8 CPU tasks. The cores of the 860 are only running 50ºC & the CPU Tcase is 41ºC.

With petroleum jelly having a melting point of 37ºC & being flammable I would personally not use it on any electronics I valued.
2764) Message boards : Number crunching : No Stats? (Message 1536373)
Posted 5 Jul 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I've been saving stats since Mar this year, but today the pc hung, and upon reboot, the stats page in Boinc is blank. All the history since Mar 19th seems to have disappeared. Weird..running 7.2.42/Lunatics/Win7-64

P.

BOINC keeps it's data in in .xml files for each prohect. For SETI@home it is statistics_setiathome.berkeley.edu.xml. It was most likely corrupted when your computer hung. So a new one would have been created. Starting from the point after you restarted.
2765) Message boards : Number crunching : The Highest Ranked SETI AMD Host is a MAC: Time for a STOCK MAC APP? (Message 1535738)
Posted 3 Jul 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Dam Dam Dam Dam Dam Dam Dam Dam

the 1 thing I was looking forward to running was the Mac Vm I had .

Grrr that's what I get for cheaping out on the cpu dam should have just paid the extra $120 for the i7 oh well live and learn...

go soulk in the corner now booo hooo

Or just get a cheap mini-itx system to run a hackintosh.
2766) Message boards : Number crunching : The Highest Ranked SETI AMD Host is a MAC: Time for a STOCK MAC APP? (Message 1535677)
Posted 3 Jul 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Not sure, I'd need to go down to the local apple store and talk to the one guy there who actually knows what he's talking about. Old salt like me that remembers the days of the Performa, lol..I'll do some more research into it, was hoping someone here knew more.


Zalster

I just check the wikipedia and it looks like the Apple Fusion Drive is a hybrid drive, or SSHD. Then some software that moves things around automagically.
From what I have read so far it seems like a defrag operation sorting files my use.
2767) Message boards : Number crunching : raspberry pi supercomputer (Message 1535669)
Posted 3 Jul 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
It is just an ARM CPU. So if it were running Android it probably could run BOINC & SETI@home.
However, I'm not sure if anyone has it running under the default OS.
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=67105
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=70697
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=73959

As far as clustering goes BOINC used shared memory. Which means an instance would have to be run on each separate node of the cluster.
2768) Message boards : Number crunching : The Highest Ranked SETI AMD Host is a MAC: Time for a STOCK MAC APP? (Message 1535662)
Posted 3 Jul 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Have you seen the new iMacs? I was just browsing through them and notice something I hadn't really paid attention to before. They are calling it FusionDrive.

Drive combines a high-capacity hard drive with high-performance flash storage, so disk-intensive tasks — like booting up and importing photos — are faster and more efficient.


Looks like they have been listening to all these discussions about which drive is preferable. They may have had this for a while but I really never noticed it till now. Would be interesting to see how it performs. Oh yeah, well maybe as a test bed then. LOL

Zalster

So they are taking advantage of Intel's Smart Response Technology that they build into the chipset, or are they just using hybrid hard drives now?
2769) Message boards : Number crunching : Ram dics verses SSD's and problems (Message 1535656)
Posted 3 Jul 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I use SSD's on my HTPC and my gaming system. They both have HDD's for other storage, but I have BOINC on a small partition carved out on at the end of each SSD. Where I also toss the system swap and some other temp stuff. I only paid $70 for the 120GB SSD a few years ago on sale and then upgraded it to a 240GB. Then I was able to rotate the 120GB down to the HTPC as a boot drive. When the 300-400GB drives are in a price range I like I may upgrade the 240GB, but for now it is fine.

I have always like those devices like the hyperdrive, but they are just to much money to be worth it for me. The new one for $400 is a lot better, but with only 8 slots it is kind of a downer. I might be willing to spend $400 if it had 32 dimm slots. I have enough old 1GB DDR2 dimms that I would love to use for something like that.
2770) Message boards : Number crunching : 15th Anni T-shirt discussions (Message 1535652)
Posted 3 Jul 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
A question for the ppl which bought a shirt in XL: Is this "real" US-sized XL or is it more like the european shirts, where XL is often rather small and feels more like L or even M? I ask because I have to deceide to either buy a XL or wait until 2XL is available again.

After getting two of the XL size I think they are a bit larger than normal. It is that or all of the other t-shirts I get in XL are smaller than normal. They are probably not 2XL if you need one that large though.

Hal, if you could messure it across the chest for Frankie would be helpful.
I got a bit banged up and not something easily done with one hand.

I am sure there are correct ways to measure clothing and this may not be it.
I laid my unworn one flat on the bed and measured.
Across at the armpit/sleeve seam: 60CM
Top to bottom: 78CM
2771) Message boards : Number crunching : Ram dics verses SSD's and problems (Message 1535239)
Posted 3 Jul 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
In terms of performance the difference is going to be a fraction of a percent of a percent.
I use a RAM drive for BOINC on a few machines, but hey are ones with heavy disk i/o. where I don't want BOINC to interfere with normal operations.
On machine 7279957 I use a 2GB ram drive. I am just using the free version of the Dataram software. It has options to configure saving the drive to disk at intervals. I think I have it setup for either 1 or 2 hours. It will also save when the machine shuts down. So if the power goes off long enough for the UPS to order the systems to shut down they are saved where they were at.
2772) Message boards : Number crunching : Gripes and Kudos IV (Message 1535236)
Posted 3 Jul 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Gripe,

I don't know what to do about it, but I've mentioned it before. Boinc is a bandwidth hog..Several times during the day while working I have to suspend all activity on Bonic and shut it down in order to access the internet. The minute I do, I can get whatever I need done. This last time, it's blocking my access to my emails. I hate having to start and stop it everytime I need to do something, and no suspending it won't work. I physically have to quit the app. Ok, enough of that, back to crunching...

Zalster

Perhaps you should set bandwidth restrictions.
2773) Message boards : Number crunching : CLOSED*SETI/BOINC Milestones [ v2.0 ] - XXVII*CLOSED (Message 1535005)
Posted 2 Jul 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Wow 300,000,000 Our team will not be there until 2014-12 or 2015-01.
2774) Message boards : Number crunching : 15th Anni T-shirt discussions (Message 1535003)
Posted 2 Jul 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
A question for the ppl which bought a shirt in XL: Is this "real" US-sized XL or is it more like the european shirts, where XL is often rather small and feels more like L or even M? I ask because I have to deceide to either buy a XL or wait until 2XL is available again.

After getting two of the XL size I think they are a bit larger than normal. It is that or all of the other t-shirts I get in XL are smaller than normal. They are probably not 2XL if you need one that large though.
2775) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (88) Server Problems? (Message 1534878)
Posted 2 Jul 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
get em while they last. Only 7000 AP's left and 550 channels of MB to do.

Might be a dry spell coming for some.

If anything happens with the servers I would not expect anyone to be around to remote in and fix things this weekend. With the holiday on Friday.
Time to sit back and blow things up and not worry about how your computers are doing for those of us in the US I suppose.
2776) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (88) Server Problems? (Message 1534536)
Posted 1 Jul 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Tape 22mr08aa was removed during maintenance & creation rate for MB is climbing. Hopefully that troublesome tape didn't bring any friends.
2777) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (88) Server Problems? (Message 1534455)
Posted 1 Jul 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
There are only 52 more channels of AP to split as well. Backup projects may get to do some work if maintenance doesn't unstick things.
2778) Message boards : Number crunching : Who uses PCIe extenders; do they work? (Message 1534454)
Posted 1 Jul 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I just found there are a few supplies of miniPCIe to PCIe adapters as well. I am thinking of getting one to try with my mini-ITX board & then I would be able to run 2 PCIe cards on it. With 4 cores the little Celeron J1900 could probably handle feeding 3 GPUs.
2779) Message boards : Number crunching : Machine generating bad results. (Message 1534451)
Posted 1 Jul 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Even so, the stock HSF that came with those CPU's was never intended for such high thermal work loads.


Well it should handle the TDP of the chip, as long as everything else is perfect. A better heat sink gives you more overhead if things aren't quite perfect. Bit of dust, high ambient temp, poor case cooling, dried up thermal goop etc and the standard unit will struggle.

The standard fan kept it going for several years. Something changed. I'm guessing the thermal junction, and that's an easy thing to check and redo.

Heck, the CPU might be cooked and never run right again. But even if that's the case he needs a tube of thermal paste to put the replacement in (with a better heatsink if he's keen). So all he's spent is a few minutes, with maybe a 90% chance of fixing it.

Ian

Stock heat sink designs are often not expecting users to run full bore 24/7. As such often do not provide the means for dissipate the full TDP continuously. I have seen in specs where they only expect full load for 15 or 30 minutes at a time.
2780) Message boards : Number crunching : Machine generating bad results. (Message 1533723)
Posted 29 Jun 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Bios reports CPU temp of 98F. Nothing in the system feels hot. SSD for system drive and it feels cool. Monitor software on Drive D: reports 93F.

Herb

Is the 93ºF after SETI@home has been running for a while? It seems like that may be an idle temp reading as it is fairly close to your BIOS value. I would expect something closer to 130ºF+ for a running temp. Depending on the systems cooling.
If you leave the monitor software you are using open while tasks are being processed you may see the processor hit a temperature that is much higher. With your tasked completing after about 20 minutes as overflows I don't expect it would take long to find out.
2781) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (88) Server Problems? (Message 1533701)
Posted 29 Jun 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Since about midnight Berkeley time the MB splitters have choked. We need around 25/s to maintain the ready-to-send buffer. They're only producing around 16/s.
Another 16 or so hours & we'll be out of MB work.

The haveland stats show we bottomed out around 160k RTS and are slowly creeping back up.
Looking at the creation rate by month chart. It seems like creation rate and turn around time are related. In that when turn around time increases creation rate falls. That might just be an odd coincidence I suppose.
2782) Message boards : Number crunching : "Not started by deadline - canceled" ?? (Message 1533529)
Posted 29 Jun 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
It is nothing new at all. Someone asks about once a year.
Here are a few more posts with nearly your exact same title.
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=71519&postid=1362002#1362002
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=68759&postid=1260705#1260705
2783) Message boards : Number crunching : Don't understand Deadlines and Prioritys Tasks are given to Seti projects (Message 1533189)
Posted 28 Jun 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
BOINC runs FIFO(First In First Out) by default. Based on the estimated To Completion time of the other tasks BOINC will switch to the other projects tasks with a shorter deadline if it thinks their deadline will be missed.
You can force BOINC into High Priority mode by bumping up the "Maintain enough tasks to keep busy for at least" value for your queue. However, While the queue is processing tasks in High Priority mode it will not download new work.

Another issue is that BOINC tries to maintain the resource share you have set for each project. So if you have not done must work for one project for a while BOINC will want to run that project at a high priority to clear out it's debt.

EDIT:
Also some projects may choose to have a shorter deadline for a few reasons. Their project needs the data back more quickly or they only want hosts with higher processing power to participate. SETI@home has longer deadlines to allow slower hosts to be able to contribute.
2784) Message boards : Number crunching : How number crunching affects a computer (Message 1533174)
Posted 28 Jun 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
LOL...I never had a lappy, but I can see the Bic Lighters reference....
My next take will be to connect a USB wireless keyboard and mousey to Lori's new 70" Sharp LED TV....
The last time I brought it up she looked at me as hard as nails on brick and said.......NFW>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Like, she thought I wuz gonna try to crunch Seti on it or sumpthin.

Hmmm.........I don't think you can download software to a TV, can ya?

Never mind. Even if ya could, she would simply slay me if anything went wrong.

I don't want a $1800.00 brick on MY shoulders....LOL.

And some notebooks just will not die. Despite running them ragged 24/7 for 9-10 years even with nearly a 60% overclock. Other than the battery & the left button on the touchpad dying not a lot of wear on it from running SETI@home.

The main source of failures I have seen on machines I have been running SETI@home at work would be blown caps on the motherboards. Old electrolytic caps tend to have this issue with age. So far is has mostly been old Dell Optiplex GX280 systems with that issue.
2785) Message boards : Number crunching : How number crunching affects a computer (Message 1532885)
Posted 27 Jun 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
When I was running an iMac at work I had a 120mm fan on a stand. It would blow air up into the intake vents at the bottom to help cool it.
2786) Message boards : Number crunching : Boinc Mngr losing client connection (Message 1532483)
Posted 26 Jun 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I use a TPLink PCIe card for Wireless-N, and it's an Atheros chip too.

Not saying this is likely the issue, but worth some quick checks.

The vendor drivers from either TP-link, Atheros themselves, or Microsoft Update are prone to Very high DPC latency spikes (at least on Win7 x64). As Boinc comms is through the TCPip stack, these stalls can cause these symptoms.

To verify if this is the case on yours, disable the adaptor and see if the local Boinc client-manager symptoms are gone. If so, reenabling will see the symptoms return at some point. You can also see the extended DPC latency spikes using 'DPC Latency Checker'.

I solved this for my host by using custom drivers available from laptopvideo2go. These drivers reveal all the hidden wifi options for the adaptor. The key setting that mitigated most of the latency problems was called "pcieaspm" set to "L0s On, L1 On" , I assume if it's a USB dongle the setting may be called something else, and is not visible in the device manager properties with 'normal' drivers.

Also possibly watch DPC latencies while having web browsers open. I switched to chrome and disabled hardware acceleration.

I can search for some links if you have a great deal of issues finding the atheros custom driver via laptopvideo2go, and/or need DPC latency checker.

Most likely when I eventually replace my current PCIe Wireless card, I'll be looking for something with better quality low latency drivers.


Good info. I am feeling that much more inclined to spend the $25 on an Intel wireless NIC for my notebook now.
2787) Message boards : Number crunching : Welcome to the 15 year Club (Message 1532160)
Posted 26 Jun 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Been doing this for ~15 years and all I got was this t-shirt.
2788) Message boards : Number crunching : just curious (Message 1532026)
Posted 25 Jun 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
This seems to be that super fast machine: 10,719,991.85 125,555,000 7.2.42 AuthenticAMD
AMD FX(tm)-6100 Six-Core Processor [Family 21 Model 1 Stepping 2]
(6 processors) NVIDIA GeForce GTX 570 (1280MB) driver: 337.88 OpenCL: 1.1 Microsoft Windows 8.1
Professional with Media Center x64 Edition, (06.03.9600.00) 25 Jun 2014, 20:55:35 UTC

If you look at the projects Top Hosts you can see the task types for the top hosts.
Where the users are running ASIC hardware and the project is using a huge credit multiplier.
152.63 0.80 20,000.00 cgminer (Campaign #1) (only for FPGA and ASIC machines-multitasks) v0.04
The computer itself is rather unimportant as most of those ASICs connect USB & currently BOINC doesn't show this kind of hardware as a coprocessor. So you will have to look at the host tasks to see what it is using.
2789) Message boards : Number crunching : just curious (Message 1531993)
Posted 25 Jun 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I would imagine those people have dedicated SHA-256 hardware devices. Which are much more efficient than standard PC hardware at running the type of processing they are doing. Those devices are pretty rubbish at doing much else.
2790) Message boards : Number crunching : Shortest deadline task first (Message 1531983)
Posted 25 Jun 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thanks, Richard.
I have a task, the has been sitting on someones computer for 5 days now,wating to be co/validated.

If that bothers you then I guess you don't want to hear that sometimes you can wait months. As the wingmate may have dropped off the planet & their task must time out. Only to have this happen a few more times before you get a wingmate that actually returns it.
However There is no problem with this occurring. The science data gets processed and returned, eventually. Any delays are kind of trivial as we don't process signals in real time. At present we are currently looking over data from 2008 & 2009.
2791) Message boards : Number crunching : Boinc Mngr losing client connection (Message 1531982)
Posted 25 Jun 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I'm using 7.2.42 with Wiv7/64. Something Hal9000 said hit a chord. I recently installed a wireless dongle for some tests, and the issue started after that. So I disabled the dongle aqnd the problem hasn't reared its ugly head since ;-)

P.

Out of curiosity who makes that dongle you bought? My two wireless machines that I don't have an issue with are using an Intel wireless NIC and a Cisco wireless bridge. The newer notebook that does have the issues uses an Atheros wireless NIC. Which I have been considering replacing with an Intel one. The throughput with the Atheros is a bit rubbish for me maxing out at around 3MB when connected via N.
2792) Message boards : Number crunching : Lunatics' GPU app & switched users (Message 1531592)
Posted 24 Jun 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I would say form a programming standpoint it makes sense to remove the GPU resources from the originally logged on user. As they are no longer using it and the newly logged on user does need the GPU resources.
Until there is a way for the OS to flag a GPU as a dedicated processing resource, as well as a video one, I don't imagine this is going to work like we would want.

You could disable fast user switching on those machines and then setup BOINC to run at each user logon.
2793) Message boards : Number crunching : "Waiting to run" / "Scheduler wait" (Message 1531486)
Posted 24 Jun 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
To follow up on my post. I used the Display Driver Uninstaller from Guru3D to clean out all of my old drivers, reinstalled Catalyst 14.4 and uninstalled and reinstalled BOINC and lunatics.

The GPUs are now processing again, although it looks like my system reported over a hundred errors over the past few hours... Ugh!

Had you removed the driver and reinstalled it for the new card? I think it was mentioned recently in another discussion that for a new ATI card to work correctly you have to remove and then reinstall the drivers. Even though the new card is supported by the currently installed driver something does get set correctly somewhere until a new install is preformed.
Weird but, eh, that's computers for ya.
2794) Message boards : Number crunching : Statistics of Valid/Invalid/Inconclusive (Message 1531483)
Posted 24 Jun 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Your figures will vary based on the amount and type of computing you do. For me my stats are: Validation pending (449) · Validation inconclusive (45) · Valid (427) across about 30 machines.
I don't pay any attention to "inconclusive" results unless I have any invalid ones. Generally after the third result is sent in you will find all three the results are marked valid. Because they match "close enough"
I have 1 machine that coughs up an invalid CPU task about once a week and then an old NVIDIA GPU that goes on a killing spree every so often. I have also seen an invalid come up after a machine hard locks. Otherwise an invalid is rare for me.
2795) Message boards : Number crunching : Boinc Mngr losing client connection (Message 1531353)
Posted 23 Jun 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I get that regularly on my notebook. For me it only occurs when I am using wireless and does not matter if I am connecting local or remote to BOINC. When I am on the wired NIC no problem. I don't have this issue with a desktop that is on a wireless connection on the other side of my place.
So I am thinking perhaps a NIC/driver lag issue with BOINC.
2796) Message boards : Number crunching : 80 Plus PSUs for low powered systems? (Message 1531225)
Posted 23 Jun 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Supplies in the 300-450w range are easy enough to find.

However switching power supplies have minimum load requirements for them not to burn themselves out. Computer supplies typically have a protection circuit that simply switches them off when there is not enough load.

A very low powered system such as this at full power would be less than 10% load on a 300w supply, & closer to 1% on initial startup. Hence the reason for sub 150w supplies.

While a picoPSU is an option. I would rather not have a to use a brick type supply since I'm sticking this in a pretty standard case.
2797) Message boards : Number crunching : Electricity Usage (Message 1530986)
Posted 22 Jun 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Would my three computers cause or electric bill to be double from last year.

Depending on your normal KW/H you could double your usage.

If your bill is much high your power company might have just increased the amount you pay per KW/h.

A computer that is pulling 65w from the wall will add about 47 KW/H a month to your electric usage. I pay about $0.18 per KW/H so that would cost me $8.46 per month.
2798) Message boards : Number crunching : 80 Plus PSUs for low powered systems? (Message 1530977)
Posted 22 Jun 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I just ordered an ASRock Q1900-ITX to replace my aging MoDT Core 2 T7200 system. With a TDP of 10w I imagine the whole system will be running <25w under full load with 4 CPU & 1 iGPU task running.
I have been looking at 80-150w SFX & micro-ATX form factor supplies but none of them have been 80 Plus certified so far. I may end up using a PCIe x1 to x16 adapter & a sub 75w GPU later. Which is the only reason I'm looking at supplies over 100w.
Are these really hard to find or is no one worried about the efficiency of such low powered systems yet?
2799) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (88) Server Problems? (Message 1530693)
Posted 21 Jun 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
We now have 560 MB channels to split vs. 207 AP channels.
Any bets on what gets done first?

I am starting to feel bad for tapes 31au13aa, 31au13aa, & 31mr13ae. They had their AP split weeks ago & have not had their MB split yet.
Guess we just need to burn though the MB faster so it can catchup. :D
2800) Message boards : Number crunching : Trainwreck waiting to happen or valid science ?? (Message 1530445)
Posted 21 Jun 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Apparently I picked on the wrong work unit as an example or maybe I should not have picked one at all.

But, what about the other 2500 "issues" he has created in 2 weeks time?

All of that machines "valid" tasks I looked at seems to be OK to me. It is like they are returning 0/1 & the other host is returning 0/5. Both of which equal 0.
All of the tasks they are trashing just cause another task to be sent out or that workunit. Then when there are two other good results their task is marked invalid. Which they have a large portion of right now.

The work throttling mechanism could use some work I think. I had a machine at work go on a killing spree a few weeks ago. It trashed 2000-2500 before it was limited to only 33 at a time to trash.
2801) Message boards : Number crunching : Trainwreck waiting to happen or valid science ?? (Message 1530347)
Posted 20 Jun 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The workunit you linked to is 100 blanked. I'm not certain, but I think those get validated like MB's that come in with -30 overflow errors. All of the valid tasks on that machines have wingmates with no invalid or processing errors.
Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
2802) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (88) Server Problems? (Message 1529901)
Posted 19 Jun 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Is anyone else seeing download problems.

It is similar to when the servers were in the lab, one download server works fine the other is slow. Curable with a short period of "network activity suspended"


No problems here.

Just had to kick another one, so it would d/load. Cricket graphs don't look all that healthy either.

No problems here & the network graph looks fine to me. Outbound is up because AP is being split. Inbound looks like they are transferring a second batch of data for splitting this week.
2803) Message boards : Number crunching : How close am I to the next badge? (Message 1528898)
Posted 17 Jun 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Your user page.
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/show_user.php?userid=8363397


Thank you. :-)

I'm assuming that 25% is NOT where I want to be, right??? I want the number to be lower, and that continued crunching on my GTX760 will get me there... Right???

It looks like the current crossover point into 5% is in the 4100 RAC range. Your daily numbers seem to indicate you could get to that RAC or a bit higher.
2804) Message boards : Number crunching : It is official! 15th Seti Anni Shirts are a go. (Message 1528714)
Posted 16 Jun 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I checked my mail today at lunch & I have been shirted upon! The kitties immediately sat on them as soon as I set the shirts down. I had to negotiate with tuna to get them back. lol

Thanks to Uli & the others involved.
2805) Message boards : Number crunching : How close am I to the next badge? (Message 1528594)
Posted 16 Jun 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Dr. Anderson has fixed a typo which was causing the badge data to not update. Checking the "Top Participants" list, 1 though 1351 are in the top 1%, down to 6772 are in the top 5%, the remainder in the top 25% because that list only goes to 10000. If extended, the cutoff for having some badge would cover about 33860 participants.
                                                                   Joe

I just noticed that my badge has changed to a gold 1%. That means I'm in the top 1350 of all participants, with my modest pair of crunchers? Wowee!

Good job. You are currently at 1366. The dividing line between 1% & 5% is current at ranks 1368 & 1369.
2806) Message boards : Number crunching : Nvidia GT630 2GB (GK208) 25watt (Message 1528382)
Posted 15 Jun 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
i truely wonder where this thing is going to top out! currently at 1,491 RAC!! woots!!

to the others that mentioned their RAC, those are total for your whole computer. im simply looking at a single GPU numbers, no cpu work at all for seti.

GPU load has no correlation to TDP, without a TDP monitor its not going to be accurate. since the part of the GPU being used is going to be different. The TDP normal is a full load of the entire core not just certain sections. i will admit im not sure how much of the core it self is being used for GPGPU work for seti. i just dont see the same parts being used as if this was a game or other demanding 3D app.

the numbers from the stat sites indicate it will be around 1800 or so.

TDP stand for Thermal Design Power. Not the actual power consumption. With the TDP value being "worst case scenario" it is often safe to just use the TDP value for power usage.
However if you want to know power consumption you need to monitor the PCIe bus & the PCIe 12v connector at the same time like this.
If you have a UPS with a power indicator, or an AC watt meter, you could use that to indirectly see the difference between idle & load on your components. Which is is generally good enough.
2807) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (88) Server Problems? (Message 1528076)
Posted 14 Jun 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
It looks like someone logged in and gave the splitters a poke around 7:30AM SETI time. It will take a while for them to catch up but we do have a steady steady of data going out.
2808) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (88) Server Problems? (Message 1527862)
Posted 14 Jun 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
And at this point neither MBs or APs are getting split, for no apparent reason ... still the 13th over here:)

I would guess they might have disabled splitting while the Replica rebuilds, but we may never know.
The Replica is down to only 41,265 behind at the moment.
2809) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows Server RDP/GPU work around - needs some further input. (Message 1527847)
Posted 14 Jun 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
To close BOINC I would use "boinccmd --quit" vs taskkill.

I am guessing this is your Windows 8.1 host as there is not currently a GPU on your Server 2012 R2 host?


The server R2 computer has an NVIDIA GeForce GTX 560M, it works if just the local admin is logged on through the actual machine, but the gpu error occurs with the RDP connection.

It has been a while since anyone has brought up RDP issues. So when you have BOINC logged into the console operating normally & a different user logs in via RDP it causes an error, or are the RDP sessions also the admin account?
If they are separate account the admin should still be logged in on the server OS. Have you tried just telling BOINC to suspend when there is an RDP session & resume afterward? You could boinccmd to send the run states in the same way you are killing and restarting BOINC now.


The RDP sessions occur with two users, a standard user and the built in administrator account. I have't tried telling BOINC itself to stop with detection of RDP, I didn't know that was possible. Do you think this would pause the state detection of the GPU? I have tried everything short of using VNC, which i stated earlier I did not REALLY want to do because the computer is also the RDP Gateway.

I was reading some old threads on RDP issues. This one and more so this one, on the BOINC message board, point out an issue that BOINC 7.x has with RDP sessions. BOINC 6.x will suspend GPU processing & resume at the end of a RDP session it would seem.


I was going to download the 64 bit windows BOINC 6 to test it out, but it appears its no longer available.

http://boinc.berkeley.edu/download_all.php

Try here http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/?C=M;O=D
The 6.12.43 release is the most recent one, but with 6.10.60 being the version before that.
2810) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (88) Server Problems? (Message 1527836)
Posted 14 Jun 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
APs are being still being split going into the weekend, something is different.

The servers going offline for 6-7 this morning has put the normal process behind, but we only have 3 more channels of AP to split.
2811) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows Server RDP/GPU work around - needs some further input. (Message 1527819)
Posted 13 Jun 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
To close BOINC I would use "boinccmd --quit" vs taskkill.

I am guessing this is your Windows 8.1 host as there is not currently a GPU on your Server 2012 R2 host?


The server R2 computer has an NVIDIA GeForce GTX 560M, it works if just the local admin is logged on through the actual machine, but the gpu error occurs with the RDP connection.

It has been a while since anyone has brought up RDP issues. So when you have BOINC logged into the console operating normally & a different user logs in via RDP it causes an error, or are the RDP sessions also the admin account?
If they are separate account the admin should still be logged in on the server OS. Have you tried just telling BOINC to suspend when there is an RDP session & resume afterward? You could boinccmd to send the run states in the same way you are killing and restarting BOINC now.


The RDP sessions occur with two users, a standard user and the built in administrator account. I have't tried telling BOINC itself to stop with detection of RDP, I didn't know that was possible. Do you think this would pause the state detection of the GPU? I have tried everything short of using VNC, which i stated earlier I did not REALLY want to do because the computer is also the RDP Gateway.

I was reading some old threads on RDP issues. This one and more so this one, on the BOINC message board, point out an issue that BOINC 7.x has with RDP sessions. BOINC 6.x will suspend GPU processing & resume at the end of a RDP session it would seem.
2812) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows Server RDP/GPU work around - needs some further input. (Message 1527805)
Posted 13 Jun 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
To close BOINC I would use "boinccmd --quit" vs taskkill.

I am guessing this is your Windows 8.1 host as there is not currently a GPU on your Server 2012 R2 host?


The server R2 computer has an NVIDIA GeForce GTX 560M, it works if just the local admin is logged on through the actual machine, but the gpu error occurs with the RDP connection.

It has been a while since anyone has brought up RDP issues. So when you have BOINC logged into the console operating normally & a different user logs in via RDP it causes an error, or are the RDP sessions also the admin account?
If they are separate account the admin should still be logged in on the server OS. Have you tried just telling BOINC to suspend when there is an RDP session & resume afterward? You could boinccmd to send the run states in the same way you are killing and restarting BOINC now.
2813) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows Server RDP/GPU work around - needs some further input. (Message 1527674)
Posted 13 Jun 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
To close BOINC I would use "boinccmd --quit" vs taskkill.

I am guessing this is your Windows 8.1 host as there is not currently a GPU on your Server 2012 R2 host?
2814) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (88) Server Problems? (Message 1527665)
Posted 13 Jun 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
It seems someone brought to the attention of the servers that there had not been a server issue in a while. So the servers felt obligated to show they could still have issues.
Shame on that person... :P
2815) Message boards : Number crunching : Different number of WU per GPU (Message 1527595)
Posted 13 Jun 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I think using <app_version> instead of <app> is what you want. As you can specify plan class with that. It looks like ngpus replaces gpu_usage & avg_ncpus replaces cpu_usage, but I have not installed a version of BOINC new enough to try this out yet.
2816) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (88) Server Problems? (Message 1527306)
Posted 12 Jun 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The ISP connection still works like a strobo light, but something else calls my atention, the Validation pendings (3193) rise to an not normal lever about >3x the Valids (1017), normaly is in the range of 2-2,5X could be related to this problem too?

My Pendings vs Valid are about even. Which is normal for me. Your wingmates are probably just slacking off. You could have also just been given a bunch of short work.
2817) Message boards : Number crunching : Your thoughts on the upcoming Haswell E CPUs (Message 1527278)
Posted 12 Jun 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I think HAL means mainstream desktop CPUs in contrast with enthusiast desktop CPUs. For example, current releases are Haswell and Ivy Bridge E respectively.

Yeah I was thinking "non E" for "mainstream" DDR4, or better stated socket 115x instead of socket 2011.

Hopefully they will keep their top end enthusiast near the $1000 mark instead of the prices that the Xeon chips demand. Unless AMD can come out with something to cause another price war. I really liked the days of top end chips only costing around $300.

I wonder how long it will be before more cores start getting added to the lower end chips. Like 8c/8t i5's.
2818) Message boards : Number crunching : Your thoughts on the upcoming Haswell E CPUs (Message 1527148)
Posted 12 Jun 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
It will be interesting to see if the prices match the cost of the server parts with the same number of cores. Which they have been selling for quite some time. But they might shift the pricing down with the release of the chips beyond 15 cores.
The 20 cores chips interest me for VM boxes mostly. As far as DDR4 I will wait and see what benchmarks/reviews say to see if it worth it. Mainstream desktops won't be getting DDR4 until Skylake. :/
2819) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (88) Server Problems? (Message 1526968)
Posted 11 Jun 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
And another bump to keep the thread from falling off the 1st page after 12 days of no panic.

Wait there is nothing to panic about? That is kind of a panic itself!
2820) Message boards : Number crunching : Seti@Home Enhanced (Message 1526612)
Posted 10 Jun 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
1 good thing about this is that I've finally been able to delete a rig that hasn't existed for 18 months that 1 MB V6 was stopping that from happening.

Cheers.

I have a machine I have been wanting to clear as well. However I think it may take a while for it to get clear yet.
2821) Message boards : Number crunching : Seti@Home Enhanced (Message 1526472)
Posted 10 Jun 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
IT is also occurring on stuck v7 tasks.
2822) Message boards : Number crunching : Seti@Home Enhanced (Message 1526436)
Posted 10 Jun 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

Here are a couple that did grant credit, I ask what is the difference?

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/workunit.php?wuid=975816323
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/workunit.php?wuid=1061250627
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/workunit.php?wuid=1417755972
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/workunit.php?wuid=1419359551



Well since I can't see what it said before you returned your result, I'm going to guess based on what I've seen in the past. Again, the second person didn't return their result in time and it was sent to you. However, when they did return it before your result, it didn't match with the first. It was close but not close enough to validate. So when your result came in, the first 2 were compared to your result and they match in enough places to both that all 3 were granted credit. Again, this is a guess since we don't know if when the late one came in they were both marked as inconclusive waiting validation.

Sorry didn't go through all of them. For the last 2, that refers back to my previous statement about the late person returning his result late but validating before the 3rd person did, which is why they don't get credit and it says awaiting validation.

Happy Crunching...

Zalster

However, The differing credit amount seems a bit odd.

Or we could go the other way,

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/workunit.php?wuid=1310827896
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/workunit.php?wuid=1309312251
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/workunit.php?wuid=1280378195
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/workunit.php?wuid=1263268374

Cheers.

Nah, zero credit make sense. As we were discussing earlier. It is because the first results were already validated.
2823) Message boards : Number crunching : Seti@Home Enhanced (Message 1526433)
Posted 10 Jun 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

Here are a couple that did grant credit, I ask what is the difference?

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/workunit.php?wuid=975816323
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/workunit.php?wuid=1061250627
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/workunit.php?wuid=1417755972
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/workunit.php?wuid=1419359551



Well since I can't see what it said before you returned your result, I'm going to guess based on what I've seen in the past. Again, the second person didn't return their result in time and it was sent to you. However, when they did return it before your result, it didn't match with the first. It was close but not close enough to validate. So when your result came in, the first 2 were compared to your result and they match in enough places to both that all 3 were granted credit. Again, this is a guess since we don't know if when the late one came in they were both marked as inconclusive waiting validation.

Sorry didn't go through all of them. For the last 2, that refers back to my previous statement about the late person returning his result late but validating before the 3rd person did, which is why they don't get credit and it says awaiting validation.

Happy Crunching...

Zalster

However, The differing credit amount seems a bit odd.
2824) Message boards : Number crunching : Seti@Home Enhanced (Message 1526227)
Posted 10 Jun 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Well looking at my previously stuck APs I don't see the pattern that you describe. Oh well the data base is going to be a bit better.

Here are two example of what I described on your machine 6897787
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/workunit.php?wuid=1277186269
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/workunit.php?wuid=1260942382
2825) Message boards : Number crunching : Seti@Home Enhanced (Message 1526219)
Posted 10 Jun 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Does anyone know why some stuck APs are granted credit and others are validated but given 0 credit?

The script that validates already ran. Because the _0 or _1 returned their result late, but before you. So the original pair validate & your 3rd result sits pending never to be validated because the flag for "has been validated" (or whatever it is) is already set. However with one of the results being in a pending state the clean up script does not touch the task. So a manual script has to be run to clear these stuck tasks out of the db. A forced validate check was probably run, but not the credit granting portion. It may be run later however. Unknown.
2826) Message boards : Number crunching : Seti@Home Enhanced (Message 1526213)
Posted 10 Jun 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Yay cleanup! My count for SETI@Home Enhanced is already down by 6.
2827) Message boards : Number crunching : New computer, same CPU but only half the performance? (Message 1526071)
Posted 9 Jun 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The benchmarks rerun once a week or you can, via boinccmd, rerun them at any time. The benchmark that BOINC preforms isn't used to really asses the systems performance. It is more to have a value to base time estimates & to know how much work to request. Also the way the benchmark has been generated has changed with versions of BOINC over time. At least in the 6.x versions it was. It might be stable now. I disabled the weekly benchmark generation some time ago. So I'm not really bothered with it any longer.
2828) Message boards : Number crunching : New computer, same CPU but only half the performance? (Message 1526051)
Posted 9 Jun 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Processing times relative to credits do look quite different (also on rosetta) and as I've said, a banal benchmark shows a significant difference.

I should mention that the BogoMIPS number reported during boot *is* almost exactly the same for both computers, indicating there is nothing inherently wrong with the CPU.

One difference is in the "cpufreq kernel driver" as reported by "cpufreq-info -c 0 -d", which is powernow-k8 on the old and acpi-cpufreq on the new box. No idea what that means but I guess I should dig into that.

I don't know how checking the temps would help. I don't have an actual temp, just some number that goes up when I activate all the tasks in BOINC. And this number is much lower that what is reported as critical or even high. For some reason I have lots more on my old desktop, including some genuine temperatures I believe.

For SETI@home processing time vary my the "angle range" of the task you are processing. So you can only compare those with similar AR.
As Mike stated your times are pretty similar.
Machine: 7306527
AR: 0.448025 Run time: 13,942.83 CPU time: 13,849.95 Credit: 105.30
Machine: 7105433
12ja09ae.23650.175239.438086664197.12.75_1
AR: 0.447246 Run time: 14,734.06 CPU time: 14,432.58 Credit: 105.14

I don't know how the work varies at Rosetta but both of your machines are running around 10,500-10,800 seconds for work there.
2829) Message boards : Number crunching : Nvidia GT630 2GB (GK208) 25watt (Message 1525988)
Posted 9 Jun 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
its still climbing! just for the card only,its now up to 1,292rac. now talking about power usage, since this card doesnt allow power usage via software. to figure my rac/watt all can use is listed nv spec of 25watts. if i had a kill-o-watt device i could try to figure it out. looking at whats been posted for % of tdp so far. even assuming 70-80% tdp usage, 17.5-20watts on the card, which would then change the rac/watt to 73.8rac - 64.6rac. that would be using the current rac listing of 1292r/17.5w and 1292r/20w. if the numbers are even close to power usage, to me thats even better.

If you are leaving GPUz open in the background you change the display for GPU load to "average" instead of "current". Then you could base your power usage off of that value. Since my HD 6370m GPU runs around 96% I just figure it's full TDP rating of 11w as power usage. It may only be rated at 120 GFLOPS but it sure does seem to be making use of them.
2830) Message boards : Number crunching : How close am I to the next badge? (Message 1525975)
Posted 9 Jun 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Dr. Anderson has fixed a typo which was causing the badge data to not update. Checking the "Top Participants" list, 1 though 1351 are in the top 1%, down to 6772 are in the top 5%, the remainder in the top 25% because that list only goes to 10000. If extended, the cutoff for having some badge would cover about 33860 participants.
                                                                   Joe

Right I remember the comment out the typo recently now.
The dividing line for the 5% badge is in the 4160's right now. So the OP would need to increase their RAC by about 900-1000 to get the next level badge.

RAC changes so the dividing lines will surely move over time. Probably at some point all 10,000 on the "Top Participants" list will only be 1% or 5%. Given the numbers from the stat sites a user can always find how close they are to the next percentage in a way.
Maybe Dr. Anderson could change the hover text on the badge to display the users percentage, or put it next to it.
2831) Message boards : Number crunching : How close am I to the next badge? (Message 1525947)
Posted 8 Jun 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
You know, I have a Boincstats account and for some reason I couldn't find that.

Hmm...doing the math it seems I'm in the top 1/2 percent of all SETI crunchers by RAC. That...doesn't seem right.

Well yes the "8,553 out of 1,483,749" would be total users. Not the "active" users of which the badges are meant to be based on. We currently have 129,722 active users. So that would put you at 6.593%.

When the badges first came out it was noticed right away that they were not working correctly. I think they have been static since then. The BOINC dev team may have stopped working on that to do some other kind of work. I have not been keeping track of the BOINC Alhpa list.
2832) Message boards : Number crunching : It is official! 15th Seti Anni Shirts are a go. (Message 1525763)
Posted 8 Jun 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
How close are we on a possible 2nd order?
2833) Message boards : Number crunching : How close am I to the next badge? (Message 1525761)
Posted 8 Jun 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
According to BOINC Stats you are 8,553 out of 1,483,749 by RAC.
2834) Message boards : Number crunching : Exotic Hardware (Message 1525419)
Posted 7 Jun 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Crunching on ARM hardware is still rather young. It progresses as fast at people have time to work on it.

Also the GPU's in the ARM hardware are not very powerful. I'm not to say they couldn't be useful. They are just not the powerhouses you might expect. The GPU in your box looks to be around 20 GFLOP according to the specs. Which is about half of the old 8500GT I am currently using. So if someone was up to writing the application, & having BOINC see the GPU, then it could crank out some work.
2835) Message boards : Number crunching : CLOSED*SETI/BOINC Milestones [ v2.0 ] - XXVII*CLOSED (Message 1524811)
Posted 5 Jun 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
When BOINC stats next updates it will show that I have just broken into the UK all time top 40 seti crunchers.

#12 by RAC for the UK. So I see you moving up even more!
2836) Message boards : Number crunching : Some questions about BOINC for Android... (Message 1524424)
Posted 4 Jun 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
A few follow up thoughts ... The HP 7 Plus 1301 has a micro SD slot. Would adding external memory in this form help with the crunching?

Have not gotten an answer yet to the 're-naming' question but have found a useful site for HP 7 Plus --
http://h30434.www3.hp.com/t5/Android-Tablets-e-g-HP-Slate-7/bd-p/android. If/when I do get a renaming answer - will post it here. I can't be the only one with a 1301 - can I?

Moving the app to SD is not supported.
Changing the machine identity is not currently supported. However NativeBOINC supports this feature.
2837) Message boards : Number crunching : Average computing Stats (Message 1524398)
Posted 4 Jun 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I remember seeing the ones on the applications page not too long ago. It looks the same now as it did then - my impression is that these figures are the collective contributions of everyone involved in the project, not a given application's relative performance to another. Because some of those figures are different by orders of magnitude - am I on the right track?

It would be interesting to have a side by side comparison of these values vs optimized apps. However since 3rd party apps are only tracked as a single "anonymous" per hardware type it wouldn't be possible without a few tweaks somewhere.
2838) Message boards : Number crunching : Corsair GPU LCS coming soon! (Message 1524243)
Posted 4 Jun 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
It looks like various companies have been selling these kinds of things for a while now
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835186095&cm_re=GTX_750_Ti-_-35-186-095-_-Product
2839) Message boards : Number crunching : Team OcUK Website - SETI@home stats (Message 1523810)
Posted 2 Jun 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
http://www.allprojectstats.com/ Also has not updated SETI@home data since then it looks like. Probably some kind of probably reaching the site from their server I am guessing.
2840) Message boards : Number crunching : Credit (Message 1523753)
Posted 2 Jun 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I'm holding out for the flying toaster, hehehe.....

http://media.giphy.com/media/zZaL6PvpkKnUA/giphy.gif
2841) Message boards : Number crunching : Corsair GPU LCS coming soon! (Message 1523591)
Posted 2 Jun 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I wondered how long this was going to take. Given the LCS solutions are universal for CPU's & only require the right bracket to attached the cooler to it. No reason they couldn't make a bracket for the various GPU layouts.
Looks like that one is including some kind of HSF to cool the ram & power components as well.
2842) Message boards : Number crunching : Running Stock Experiment (Message 1523588)
Posted 2 Jun 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
RAC is 1822 with 4 pendings. One is an AP stuck in never everland.this host

I'm waiting for the 3 to clear and RAC to even out.
I thought going to just 4 cores would make the RAC plummet. I will be interested on what happens when HT is turned back on.

Hal, It just takes a so long to get RAC to even out. I'm trying to be calm and collected.

Yeah I ran mine from Apr 8th to May 30th to get a steady RAC value. If you track the daily values on the stat sites. Then you can get an idea of what the stabilized RAC will probably end up being. I like to wait until the graph in BOINC shows at least a week of a flat(ish) line myself.
2843) Message boards : Number crunching : Running Stock Experiment (Message 1523419)
Posted 2 Jun 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Just recently switched from running 4 with HT on to running 8 on my i7-860. The initial results looks to be 11.1% increase in power consumption and 27.7% increase in output. So for MB tasks on the CPU a gain for the hardware used.

I think I want to get 2 low/mid range GPU's, like some R7 240 or R7 250X's, to stick in that system and do some more tests similar to your planned ones. I want to also do some AP task tests & it looks like we have a semi reliable source of AP so I could perform an accurate test at some point in the future.
2844) Message boards : Number crunching : Geforce 750Ti x3 TDP to much for PCI-E bus? (Message 1523125)
Posted 31 May 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I still can't determine how a manufacturer arrives at a maximum number. Let's consider the Intel board I have. The manual says the max combined PCIe wattage is 300 watts for 4 full sized slots, 2 at x16, 2 at x4. Does that include the Two 75 watt Aux cables that are attached to the motherboard? Doesn't say, but they sold that model with the option of 4 2600XTs. Obviously you can exceed the 300. Some people installed 2 5870s rated at 188 watts apiece...376 watts. Some of those people fried their 75 watt cables. But, what about Two 150 watt cards with Two 75 watt cards? The cables aren't a problem but that's 450 watts. It has a 980 watt power supply and was designed for two 4 core processors and 64GB of Ram. If you have just One 4 core processor and 6GB ram does that mean you can use more for the PCIe slots? I can't seem to find any info on it. I'm currently running at 333 watts and all is well. I'd like to go to 353, but, I'm scared :-)

Meanwhile, if you look at the top computer list you will find a few nVidia Hosts with 3 and 4 GTX 750Ti cards, http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/top_hosts.php?sort_by=expavg_credit&offset=40
So, it's working for some people.

Only 1 of those hosts that displays "[4] NVIDIA GeForce GTX 750 Ti" actually has 4 of them. The two machines that belong to Zalster have 2 & 3 650 TI Boost in each machine. Given those are 130w cards I would guess the 650's are connected with PCIe power cables, but you would have to ask them to be sure. Then again about half the 750 Ti cards do have power connectors on them. Maybe all of those machines have power going to the cards. Their owners would have to be asked to confirm.

The HD 2600 XT is a 50w card. So I don't see any problem putting 4 of those in that MB you mentioned. The fact they give you a power spec for PCIe cards is nice. I haven't seen that information provided with any of my boards.
The maximum power they defined for your board is probably based on the traces built into the board. If they used 20% overhead in theory up to 360w through the MB. After that things might start to get sketchy. The only way for sure is to do a smoke test.
2845) Message boards : Number crunching : Workunit validated while tasks have different results (Message 1523037)
Posted 31 May 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The stderr_txt is not the result file.
Before the other result found the pulses and exited its results must have been similar to your results to be declared a match.


Thanks for the info, but it does not explain how a result that is obviously not correct (my wingman has hundreds of invalids and only two valids: this task and a task that was 100 percent blanked) could be used to validate something. The reason I looked at the result in more detail was that I would like to know what kind of GPU could do an Astropulse 25 times faster than my GTX-750. Is there no mechanism to check if tasks that found no pulses are correct (e.g. reporting the closest thing to a pulse that was found ?).

Tom

I think the pulses the stock app found are false pulses that the lunatics app sees are false and doesn't report them. Perhaps it was the MB app where that was mentioned. I can't recall at the moment.
There are several guys that have an intimate knowledge of how the apps and matching system work. They can give you a detailed answer as to how the results match.
2846) Message boards : Number crunching : Geforce 750Ti x3 TDP to much for PCI-E bus? (Message 1523033)
Posted 31 May 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Some manufactures will built their MB over spec, some to the spec, and some under the spec. Building to the spec only matter if they want to carry the PCI-SIG logo for their equipment. The Radeon R9 295X2, & HD6990 are a good example of a manufactures going beyond spec. Test have shown the HS6990 to pull around 80w from the PCIe slot & the R9 295X2 at 500w is well beyond the 300w limit. Currently having 2 8-pin power connectors is beyond spec. So 300w not 375w is the limit defined by the PCIe 3.0 spec.

Using PCIe x1 video cards, in x1 slots, has been hit or miss on motherboards. Some of the cards using 30-40w GPU's would simply not run on some MB's. I only noticed this because I was looking a x1 card for one of my older systems & nearly half the reviews were that the cards didn't work in x1 slots.

But the OP's question wasn't about any of that. It was about running 60w cards in x16 slots. Which by spec is fine. Has their MB manufacture chosen to follow the spec & provide 225w, or more, to their three x16 slots? Or did they go a bit cheap?
I would imagine they expected 3 GPU's to to be run in the system & implemented an appropriate design to do so.
2847) Message boards : Number crunching : Workunit validated while tasks have different results (Message 1523021)
Posted 31 May 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The stderr_txt is not the result file.
Before the other result found the pulses and exited its results must have been similar to your results to be declared a match.
2848) Message boards : Number crunching : Credit (Message 1522697)
Posted 30 May 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
What do the credits do for you???

If you find out, please let ME know...LOL.

Seriously though, the credits on your account simply are a marker of how much work your computers have contributed to the project. They have no real world value other than comparison to others on the project.

Unless somebody finally puts a price on that elusive Seti toaster. (A running joke amongst some who have been here a long time.)

Welcome to the project, JOHN-117!!

I wonder if someone commissioned one of those toasters that puts an image on your toast with the SETI@Home logo & sold it with the proceeds to be donated if anyone would buy them.
2849) Message boards : Number crunching : AMD Athlon 64 3500+ system with PCI-e (Message 1522639)
Posted 30 May 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
OK; the new hardware specs are as follows:

AMD A6-6400K, APU with Radeon HD Graphics 3.89 GHz dual core, 4 GB 1600 MHz RAM, Asus Micro ATX board A58M-A with USB 3.0, NVIDIA GTX750 TI Superclocked 2 GB GDDR5, Fractal Design Micro ATX Case with large front fan, Antec 550 Watt PSU, Logitech Cordless Keyboard K350, Logitech M510 Cordless Mouse, Kaspersky Pure 3.0, Spybot Search and Destroy 2.0 all on Win XP Pro x64 with ALL Updates; except hardware updates. This system's name is Exeter. I'm still installing Firefox 29.01 Add-ons, I will get to installing BOINC before Monday. I'm currently letting Farragut, (my parents system), crunch its final WU's. Constellation, (my Ubuntu 12.0.4 32-Bit system), is finished crunching.

Thanks again, everyone.

That APU has a GPU would can use as well. I imagine the HD8470 might be a bit faster than the HD6370m I have in my notebook. Which does an AP in about 6 hours with default settings.
2850) Message boards : Number crunching : Intel HD 4600 (Message 1521963)
Posted 28 May 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Not the exact same problem but I have a i3-2100 & Intel HD2000, even though there's no compatible GPU app, shouldn't the GPU show up in Boinc if I follow the tip from HAL9000?

Intel does not support OpenCL on that GPU. See here. So I do not expect BOINC would display the iGPU at all.
2851) Message boards : Number crunching : Compiling Applications for Linux (Message 1521615)
Posted 27 May 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Can you give me a hint where the test suite is located? I looked all around your site and can't find anything other than apps to download.

The link Petri provided (board=9.0) returns

The topic or board you are looking for appears to be either missing or off limits to you.

back to me.

Do I need to create an account?

Have you tried the Test and Benchmark Tools section on the lunatics site?
2852) Message boards : Number crunching : AMD Athlon 64 3500+ system with PCI-e (Message 1521582)
Posted 27 May 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I had problems with .net on late installations (in the past year) of XP. I believe that's another one of the tactics being used by Microsoft to get people to buy a newer version of their operating systems. I don't think .net supports XP anymore.

I'm down to one installation of XP. It was installed several years ago. It'll probably run until the hard drive goes bad. Then I'll have a final funeral service for XP in my house.


Don't forget, Guy, that it is XP Pro x64... It is the same technology as Server 2003; so, .NET is just fine with it. Half of my final updates from Windows Update were ".NET" files, including ".NET 4". So, I don't know why the .NET 4 Extension Pack from the NVIDIA driver would give such trouble; however, it is possible, that XP Pro x64 doesn't like it, I just don't know... It's now in the hands of Central Computers in Pleasanton.

It probably requires .net 4.5 like the latest ATI drivers. Version 4.5 of .net framework is only supported on Windows Vista/Server 2008 or later.
2853) Message boards : Number crunching : Running Stock Experiment (Message 1521294)
Posted 26 May 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
RAC is now at 2017 with 4 pendings One is that stuck AP.
I started 4 real cores no HT with 2175 RAC.
So I will run this for a bit and see what happens.

edit--this host

If I were a betting person I'd say it will do somewhere between 1400-1700 with 4 cores.

I think you might be right. I will let it run. Then go back to HT and see what happens. I never did buy the 4 core can beat 8 HT anyway.

In running only CPU tasks I have not seen an instance where HT did not provide some gain on the same system. When you toss GPUs into the mix running fewer CPU tasks has been shown to be an advantage in several instances.
2854) Message boards : Number crunching : Intel HD 4600 (Message 1521281)
Posted 26 May 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I was gaming a bit on that computer (not sure that this is relevant) and scrapped a bunch of intel_GPU astropulse WU. Now I don't have any AP intel_gpu units and the GPU is idling. Have I been blacklisted or something, how can I check? Or is this for a different thread? My other machines' intel_gpus have AP WU at the moment...



This is the machine.

If a specific game causes work to get trashed you could use the exclusive_gpu_app settings in your cc_config. Then BOINC would automatically suspend GPU crunching for you.
2855) Message boards : Number crunching : Running Stock Experiment (Message 1521162)
Posted 26 May 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
RAC is now at 2017 with 4 pendings One is that stuck AP.
I started 4 real cores no HT with 2175 RAC.
So I will run this for a bit and see what happens.

edit--this host

If I were a betting person I'd say it will do somewhere between 1400-1700 with 4 cores.
2856) Message boards : Number crunching : Geforce 750Ti x3 TDP to much for PCI-E bus? (Message 1521160)
Posted 26 May 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Each PCIe x16 slot is rated up to 75w. If the MB manufacture fully followed the specs it should be fine.
2857) Message boards : Number crunching : AMD Athlon 64 3500+ system with PCI-e (Message 1520724)
Posted 24 May 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
It's actually a PCIe x16 slot according to the manual. Just looks like the 6 in x16 got cut off for their layout photo. It is only a PCIe v1.0 x16 slot, but that is more than sufficient for crunching.
2858) Message boards : Number crunching : Intel HD 4600 (Message 1520538)
Posted 24 May 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I've seen this suggestion but do not know what this means. When there is nothing plugged into the HDMI output on the Intel GPU there is nothing I can extend anything onto. I'm using 8.1, and I admit I'm new to this OS, but when the cable is out there is no indication that the GPU exists anywhere in the display options. It is in the device manager however.

Perhaps this will help
http://www.hal6000.com/seti/manual_display_detect.htm

Thank you. This worked. However it was not the effect I was going after. My setup currently is that I have two "monitors", one is the one I use connected to a GTX 650 TI and the other is a AV reciever connected to the HDMI of the intel gpu. The problem is that to have the gpu enabled I only need to have the AV receiver on and on the corresponding video input switched - which is pretty much what the tutorial is about simulating - however then I have a desktop surface that is not usable and I don't want and windows keeps throwing stuff there, its not good.

What I was going after is something like this. I have an intel GPU that has AV receiver(TV) connected to it. OpenCL is available to BOINC, but no extended desktop is shown to TV. The issues with this is that either I start with TV off and no intel GPU is present. Or I start with AV receiver and there is a desktop surface I don't want and all the display options I have to remedy this turn the OpenCL off for BOINC.

In any case I think I can manage it. I found out that if I start BOINC with the second GPU enabled and then turn of the AV receiver then BOINC continues to see the OpenCL device. It's a bit cumbersome but I rarely restart the computer anyway so for now it works.

I have been doing something similar. I extend the desktop. start BOINC, and then disabled extended desktop. BOINC keeps using the GPU until you restart BOINC.
The ideal solution would be the option for "duplicate display on this monitor", but I it is only available when using GPUs of the same vendor. I'm not sure.
2859) Message boards : Number crunching : Intel HD 4600 (Message 1520416)
Posted 23 May 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I've seen this suggestion but do not know what this means. When there is nothing plugged into the HDMI output on the Intel GPU there is nothing I can extend anything onto. I'm using 8.1, and I admit I'm new to this OS, but when the cable is out there is no indication that the GPU exists anywhere in the display options. It is in the device manager however.

Perhaps this will help
http://www.hal6000.com/seti/manual_display_detect.htm

Thanks HAL9000, that saves me from having to explain it every time, although I don't think the use_all_gpus option is needed, you only need that if the vendors are the same.

Claggy

Yeah the last step was more of a "if all else fails. I didn't want to have to do it again. lol
2860) Message boards : Number crunching : Intel HD 4600 (Message 1520302)
Posted 23 May 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I've seen this suggestion but do not know what this means. When there is nothing plugged into the HDMI output on the Intel GPU there is nothing I can extend anything onto. I'm using 8.1, and I admit I'm new to this OS, but when the cable is out there is no indication that the GPU exists anywhere in the display options. It is in the device manager however.

Perhaps this will help
http://www.hal6000.com/seti/manual_display_detect.htm
2861) Message boards : Number crunching : Who uses PCIe extenders; do they work? (Message 1518753)
Posted 20 May 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Terror Australis with some messing around with various adapters a few years ago.
There was a post with a lot of images as well I think, but I can't find it right now.

Is this the one you mean't ?

This machine ran 7 GTS 250's. 2 via the 2 x16 PCIE sockets, 3 via the x1 PCIE sockets and 2 more via PCI to PCIE x1 adapters. The CPU was an E7200. All GPU's ran at "normal" speed.

T.A.

Aye that's the post I was thinking about.
2862) Message boards : Number crunching : CLOSED*SETI/BOINC Milestones [ v2.0 ] - XXVII*CLOSED (Message 1518536)
Posted 20 May 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
A new milestone:
Total credit	123,456,815

Yep, passed 123,456,789!

Ok. Now let's see 1,234,567,890!
2863) Message boards : Number crunching : my Windows problem (Message 1518247)
Posted 19 May 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I had that many times with XP. As to the cause, I never found out.

After finding this out, once re-activated I copied the relevant files to a thumb drive & kept it in the folder for that rig. Over the years of using XP I ended up with many folders but the time saved was fantastic.

Transferring XP activation info

I have has a few machines do this to me over the years. I just clicked reactivate each time. As it was the least amount of effort, but having a backup of your XP activation files could be handy in the future. In case they decide to drop activations/reactivations of XP.
2864) Message boards : Number crunching : my friend's Windows problem (Message 1518244)
Posted 19 May 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
My friend has a Dell with Vista 32 bit on it. He wants to upgrade to Win7 64 bit and bought a disk to do that. He checked to make sure the hardware is capable of running 64 bit. The installation disk is telling him it isn't compatible with his version of Windows. He understood going in that he might not be able to upgrade from Vista 32 to 7 64 and moved all his files to the D: drive so he could do a fresh install, but it still won't let him.

He went to the support website on the disk package, but didn't learn anything useful.

Are they booting from the disc instead of running setup in windows?
2865) Message boards : Number crunching : A test with an old time hardware setup. (Message 1518167)
Posted 19 May 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
When Sten-Arne swapped out AP for MB on one of his machines it dropped about 3.5 times, but I think his machine was 100% AP on CPU & GPU. So it will be interesting to see where it lands with this one. I'm going to guess 4500.
2866) Message boards : Number crunching : Who uses PCIe extenders; do they work? (Message 1517591)
Posted 17 May 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Also there are PCIe splitters which can be used.
2867) Message boards : Number crunching : Who uses PCIe extenders; do they work? (Message 1517589)
Posted 17 May 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Terror Australis with some messing around with various adapters a few years ago.
There was a post with a lot of images as well I think, but I can't find it right now.
2868) Message boards : Number crunching : Did the work unit limit change? (Message 1517304)
Posted 17 May 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The assumption that the BOINC changeset was the only cause for the limits changing is probably incorrect. As Claggy noted in his msg 1515079 near the beginning of this thread, he reported the issue on the boinc_dev mailing list. Eric Korpela's reply was:
I changed config_aux.xml limit to have the <per_proc/> option set.

I'm not entirely surprised it's broken. There are two incompatible places
to set these options.

Checking the haveland graphs indicates the change has had essentially no effect on turnaround time nor how many tasks are "in progress", so there's no perceptible downside as far as project load goes. I think the overall effect is good.
                                                                   Joe

I have been watching that since the change. I suspect doing AP on GPU's has helped a bit with keeping the number of MB tasks out in the field down.
It also looks like more data is being moved over to be split. so there might be more AP for the weekend to keep the GPU's from going to town on MB's.
2869) Message boards : Number crunching : Did the work unit limit change? (Message 1517264)
Posted 17 May 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
A system with NVIDIA & iGPU the 100 tasks may only be assigned to NVIDIA leaving the iGPU idle. Now that system can download 200 GPU tasks, but they may all be assigned to NVIDIA leaving the iGPU still idle.

It could go the other way and the system could assigned 200 tasks to the iGPU instead of a much faster 780 Ti. Maybe stating it that way help make more sense as to how it isn't working?

Yep.
All the posts I've seen so far have pointed out how each GPU now has 100WU as opposed to sharing only 100WU in total. Other than some inactive GPUs being used when working out the limit (which means the system has more than 100WU per active GPU) i hadn't seen any instances where inactive or much slower ones were getting work, and faster or active GPUs weren't getting their 100WUs.

My 2nd example with the slower iGPU getting all of the work may never happen currently. I just thought it was a good example of demonstrating how things could go wrong.

EDIT-
Thinking about it I think the ideal way to do what they are trying to implement would be to take the project limit and split it across the different vendor GPU's. Probably based on their processing rate. So a System with a faster NVIDIA card and an iGPU might have a limit of like 70 for the NVIDIA & 30 for the iGPU.

If they were to do that then they will have to raise the GPU limits significantly. The problem with the limits is the GPUs running out of work even with very short outages. Splitting the allocation between GPUs will make it even worse.
I'm a fan of the KISS (Keep It Simple Stupid) principle- splitting the allowance across multiple cards & multiple vendors makes for considerable complexity, as opposed to just allowing the limit to be changed from x GPU WUs per system to x WUs per GPU per system.
No need to worry about vendors or percentages. Just sort out the issue that is resulting in inactive GPUs being used in the allocation of work.

Fixing the db and scripts so it doesn't get grumpy & crash would probably be easier than implementing a split limit system.
Once they fix the problem of applying the limits to the type of GPU's the issue with allocating tasks for inactive GPU's will go away. If they can't make it work as expected hopefully they will remove this code so the BOINC servers actually follow the limits set by the project admins.
2870) Message boards : Number crunching : Did the work unit limit change? (Message 1517233)
Posted 16 May 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The main point is that the change does is not helping those with different types of GPU at all.

It isn't?
Pretty sure from what I've read those with different GPU types are getting extra work.
The only issue appears to be that some people are getting more work allocated for their active GPUs because they have GPUs that haven't been allowed to process work.
ie 2 discrete video cards are allowed work, the single on die IGPU isn't allowed work, yet they are getting 300WUs allocated.

They may be getting more work, but it doesn't mean the work is going to resources that are idle and could be processing work.
The change is broken on what it was meant to acomplish.

True.
But in this case that's a good thing as it means everyone with an extra GPU benefits, not just those with different brands. Why should those with different brands of GPU be given extra work, and not those with several of the same brand of GPU?

With 1, 2, 3, 4, or even 8 GPU's of the same type & 100 assigned tasks. All of the GPU's will be able to be busy. A system with NVIDIA & iGPU the 100 tasks may only be assigned to NVIDIA leaving the iGPU idle. Now that system can download 200 GPU tasks, but they may all be assigned to NVIDIA leaving the iGPU still idle.

It could go the other way and the system could assigned 200 tasks to the iGPU instead of a much faster 780 Ti. Maybe stating it that way help make more sense as to how it isn't working?

Broken code should be fixed. Who knows, Maybe the guys in the lab have seen what is going on & have considered revising the limits based on what has been happening.

EDIT: Thinking about it I think the ideal way to do what they are trying to implement would be to take the project limit and split it across the different vendor GPU's. Probably based on their processing rate. So a System with a faster NVIDIA card and an iGPU might have a limit of like 70 for the NVIDIA & 30 for the iGPU. Then both would be able to be kept busy. However it would need to honor the computing prefs. So would you could disable a GPU type there and it wouldn't split the limit for non used hardware.
2871) Message boards : Number crunching : Did the work unit limit change? (Message 1517219)
Posted 16 May 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Okay, I missed the commit notes quoted there as I wasn't really following this thread. Then what we're observing is clearly not what was intended.

By 'I have not seen anyone posting otherwise' I'm guessing you meant with respect to this change log because at first read I thought you meant that you hadn't seen anyone posting about getting an increase in tasks with single-vendor systems.

I was thinking of this comment when I said "I have not seen anyone posting otherwise"
I was mainly wondering why some seem to be thinking that the increase doesn't affect those with single-vendor hosts (which it does, at least for me).

I have not seen anyone saying that they are still limited to 100 GPU tasks when they have multiple GPU's from a single vendor.
2872) Message boards : Number crunching : Did the work unit limit change? (Message 1517214)
Posted 16 May 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I'm aware of your concerns that the new limits don't respect GPU choices in the preferences. I was mainly wondering why some seem to be thinking that the increase doesn't affect those with single-vendor hosts (which it does, at least for me).

As for the GPU preferences, perhaps the limit was not meant to (or cannot) consider those? After all, this task limit is artificial and as I understand it only meant to help the database cope with the huge volumes of data (and is not to do with server bandwidth issues).

As far as the limits applying with preferences that is just an observation I found. It is unknown if it should work in that way.
According to the change notes those with a single type of GPU should not be seeing an increase. No matter how many GPU's they have in a host. I have not seen anyone posting otherwise.
Previously, if a project specified a limit on GPU jobs in progress,
it would be enforced across GPU types.
This could lead to starvation for hosts with multiple GPU types.
E.g. the limit is 10, and a host has 10 NVIDIA jobs and no AMD jobs.

Fix this by enforcing limits separately for each GPU type.


Yes the limits were put in place to keep the db from crashing. As it was getting grumpy with there were to many results out in the field.
2873) Message boards : Number crunching : Did the work unit limit change? (Message 1517199)
Posted 16 May 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
They did not change the system to allow 100 task per GPU. The change was indented to allow the limit to be applied to each different type of GPU.

From my POV that´s not fair, if you have 3 diferent types of GPU´s and you could have a 300 WU cache, why we who have 4 equal GPU´s on the same host you could only have 100?

Am I missing something here? I thought it's already been established that the increase in task limit is on a per GPU basis, regardless of vendor. In fact, as at time of writing I can verify that this is still the case for both my mixed GPU hosts and single-vendor hosts. So I see no reason for these complaints.

(Note, not being angry here, just genuinely confused why people appear to be upset.)

Edit: emphasis

If you read what the change was meant to do it is not being accomplished. That is the only concern I really have.
What is happening is the server is taking (limit * all GPU)=new limit. What was meant to happen was that the limit would be applied to each type of GPU separately. On one of my hosts 5255585 I am only using the Intel GPU. I even set my Computing preferences to say not to use ATI GPU's. However it downloads 200 tasks for the Intel GPU. If I wanted to start using the HD5750 I would get the "reached limit" message.
2874) Message boards : Number crunching : Did the work unit limit change? (Message 1517192)
Posted 16 May 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Could be, but if they keep the way it´s "accidentaly" running now helps we all not just the ones with diferent brands of GPU´s.

I could agree we not need days of caches anymore after COLO but we still need a cache who could hold for a razonable amount of time and 100 WU per host clearely don´t do that. A 100 WU MB cache per GPU is enought for 6-8 hours on the high end GPU´s. Maybe less on the Top Ones like the Titan Black but that is for another time.

The main point is that the change does is not helping those with different types of GPU at all. The change is broken on what it was meant to acomplish.
2875) Message boards : Number crunching : Did the work unit limit change? (Message 1517182)
Posted 16 May 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
They did not change the system to allow 100 task per GPU. The change was indented to allow the limit to be applied to each different type of GPU. So it could be 100 ATI, 100 iGPU, & 100 NVIDIA if a system had all 3 types of GPU installed. Then a GPU would not be "starved" for work. It may be fixed at some point, or it may not. It just depends on if the BOINC guys think it is working correctly. Which it obviously is not.

From my POV that´s not fair, if you have 3 diferent types of GPU´s and you could have a 300 WU cache, why we who have 4 equal GPU´s on the same host you could only have 100? No that wrong. The way that is actualy "accidentaly" working is the right 100 per GPU no matter the type of GPU.

The amount of tasks a project limits is separate from how BOINC is meant to function. Even with how it is functioning systems with different kinds of GPU's still can run into GPU starvation. Which is what they meant to fix.

This change was implemented by the BOINC dev team & the project admins may not even know that this is occurring.

Also right now I am getting extra tasks on my systems that have 2 GPU's, ATI/iGPU, & I am only using the iGPU to run tasks. So it gets a really large cache of 200 tasks.
2876) Message boards : Number crunching : Did the work unit limit change? (Message 1517144)
Posted 16 May 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Am I cheating somehow?

I don’t think so.

Is there somewhere written that I will take MB wu’s or AP wu’s?

I don’t think so.

I can do whatever I want to my preferences, asking no one what to do because ARE MINE.
No one will tell me if I will download 800 AP’s or 800 MB WU’s
Yes I can take 800 Ap tasks and I will do it again because the server allow, and it is legal.
We all wanted 100 wu’s per Gpu as I remember, and now we are complaining?

By the way…
This machine is going to retire at about one month or two.
We have here at the office a new build with dual xeon, and 8 Gpus.I will install seti and run 1000 AP tasks.

And a question to petri33…
If you were at 2nd position, and I was at 3rd, will you have those questions?

Br
Tim

They did not change the system to allow 100 task per GPU. The change was indented to allow the limit to be applied to each different type of GPU. So it could be 100 ATI, 100 iGPU, & 100 NVIDIA if a system had all 3 types of GPU installed. Then a GPU would not be "starved" for work. It may be fixed at some point, or it may not. It just depends on if the BOINC guys think it is working correctly. Which it obviously is not.
2877) Message boards : Number crunching : Catalyst 14.4 released any issues? (Message 1516868)
Posted 16 May 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Now what? I decided to give 14.4 a try on my Vista system. Unfortunately...I can't seem to find a download for VISTA??? WTH? Vista downloads Stopped with 13.12, 14.4 is listed for Windows 7, 8 & 8.1. I even checked the Beta downloads;
Compatible Operating Systems
The AMD Catalyst 14.4 Release Candidate Driver for Windows is designed to support the following Microsoft Windows platforms:

        Windows 8.1 (32 & 64-bit version)
        Windows 8 (32 & 64-bit version)
        Windows 7 (32 & 64-bit version with SP1 or higher)

I finally decided to move from XP to Vista and now Vista is DEAD?
See if You can find a 14.4 download for Vista, http://support.amd.com/en-us/download
???

Mainstream support for Vista ended in 2012, & as of January 1st Microsoft also change some of their driver certification policies. Getting a WHQL certification for Vista requires using an older test kit. Which is a pain in the butt to use compared to the new one. So many companies are deciding to no longer include Vista driver certification. Because of that, & the low volume of Vista machines globally, we only certify Windows 7 & newer OS's.
The driver should still work in older OS's, but are simply "not supported".
2878) Message boards : Number crunching : invalid AP (Message 1516864)
Posted 16 May 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
is this right: http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/results.php?hostid=7282215&offset=0&show_names=0&state=5&appid=
and i kinda figured it might be my fault just wanted to get a little info from someone who's been at it for more than a week thanks.

Given that you said you have the GPU overclocked near the hairy edge could be it as well. It could be to much overclock to run the science apps.
I would try not running it with games first & that solves it then you are good. If it happens at other times you might have to turn the dials down a bit to not get invalid results. Trial and error really.
2879) Message boards : Number crunching : Did the work unit limit change? (Message 1516863)
Posted 16 May 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Just how does one download lots of AP? I carry an 8 day cache of WUs and if I have more than 15 AP available at any one time I think I'm in fat city. Clearly, I'm not. I don't want to corner the market, but I'd like to pick up some more AP action. Any tips? Thanks.

-Bill

For me it's luck of the draw. Sometimes my machines get lots of AP, like they did this time, & sometimes they get very few.
2880) Message boards : Number crunching : Server Status Page (Message 1516861)
Posted 16 May 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Can anyone explain to me why for the last several days the AP splitters still have 7 channels in progress, and the splitters not running? It's been that way since the end of the last AP splits with 5 tapes sitting out there in to no man's land.

IT is thought there was some kind of server error & the automatic recovery kicked it, but no one is in the lab to poke at the few things that don't get automagically taken care of.
I don't know if they are back in the lab yet or when anyone will return. IT was just mentioned in another post that we had maintenance on Monday because they would be out.
2881) Message boards : Number crunching : invalid AP (Message 1516742)
Posted 15 May 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I'm a total noob to boinc but was going through my results and noticed about half were invalid or inconclusive.
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/results.php?userid=10000434&offset=0&show_names=0&state=5&appid=
I don't have a very strong rig,so i disabled cpu and been running my gpu overclocked just under the crashing point on furmark. Also, i have changed setting to never suspend work so it been running while doing light gaming and web browsing. So is me me just stressing my system to hard causing errors or is there something else I should be looking into.
Thanks
p.s. i have restored my gpu to factory and plan to suspend work if i do anything else to see if it helps.

When posting about your tasks you need to do it my computer. No one can see your user task list.
So like this: http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/results.php?hostid=7282215&offset=0&show_names=0&state=5&appid=
Trying to do tasks while heavy GPU actives like gaming might not be the test for your system if you want your tasks to be processed without errors. It is kind of like asking your car to drive at top speed while pulling a heavy load uphill.
2882) Message boards : Number crunching : Did the work unit limit change? (Message 1516739)
Posted 15 May 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
<cut>

How would you explain if You had N hunderd AP only? (N is a big number)

I'm not 100% what all that was about. Are you asking how they managed to get lots of AP tasks? With how the servers are currently set machine 6716400 would be allowed to download 800 GPU AP tasks. Which would have been an easy things to do given the recent load of AP generated. I have a machine that keep getting AP tasks to stay capped at 100 CPU AP tasks.
2883) Message boards : Number crunching : 3 Errors with new R9 280X : ( (Message 1515984)
Posted 14 May 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Two of those tasks workunits also errored on other machines.
2884) Message boards : Number crunching : invalid AP (Message 1515983)
Posted 14 May 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/workunit.php?wuid=1489726012

I'm the _0. The _1 and the _3 validated. I'm just wondering if AP is also suffering from "two bad results validate each other and invalidate the good one(s)" syndrome.

I am not sure that would apply here. If this was validated against the _2 then defiantly. That machine went wonky on the task.
2885) Message boards : Number crunching : app_config.xml - the bit (Message 1515954)
Posted 14 May 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hello,
I'm looking for explicit examples of how to use <app_version> in app_config.xml
I have two HD6950's but only a dual core CPU. So in the interest of 'keeping one CPU core free' I need to control which CPU apps run depending upon which GPU apps are running.
Is <app_version> even the right approach for this fine control?
Anyone help please?
Thanks.
Guy

Depending on exactly what you want to do the app_config.xml can help get you there.
gpu_usage: The number of GPU instances (possibly fractional) used by GPU versions of this app.
<gpu_usage>1</gpu_usage> = 1 per GPU, <gpu_usage>0.50</gpu_usage> = 2 per GPU, <gpu_usage>0.33</gpu_usage> = 3 per GPU.
cpu_usage: The number of CPU instances (possibly fractional) used by GPU versions of this app.
<cpu_usage>1</cpu_usage> = use/reserve 1 CPU/core, <cpu_usage>0.50</cpu_usage> = use/reserve half a CPU/core. So 2 instance would be 1 core

I'm not sure how many instances a 6950 can handle, but this would run 2 MB or 2 AP per GPU & reserve a CPU core per AP instance.
<app_config>
<app>
<name>setiathome_v7</name>
<gpu_versions>
<gpu_usage>0.50</gpu_usage>
<cpu_usage>0.04</cpu_usage>
</gpu_versions>
</app>
<app>
<name>astropulse_v6</name>
<gpu_versions>
<gpu_usage>0.50</gpu_usage>
<cpu_usage>1</cpu_usage>
</gpu_versions>
</app>
</app_config>
2886) Message boards : Number crunching : CLOSED*SETI/BOINC Milestones [ v2.0 ] - XXVII*CLOSED (Message 1515788)
Posted 14 May 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Well that's 100,000,000 in the bag. Only 900,000,000 more to go!
2887) Message boards : Number crunching : Did the work unit limit change? (Message 1515508)
Posted 13 May 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I reenabled Intel GPU work fetch, and got my i5-3210M/GT650M/Intel_Graphics_HD4000 to ask for work, it now has 300 tasks, but they are a mix of CPU and Nvidia tasks, none for the Intel GPU,
so probably a project side scheduler limit change, rather than a scheduler change that introduces limits per vendor.

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/results.php?hostid=7054027&offset=0&show_names=0&state=0&appid=0

Edit: I've reported this to the boinc_dev list, the changeset was:

http://boinc.berkeley.edu/gitweb/?p=boinc-v2.git;a=commit;h=9889ee8fb64f52e145f889b8fb62c6004f293f0a

scheduler: enforce GPU job limits separately for each GPU type

Previously, if a project specified a limit on GPU jobs in progress,
it would be enforced across GPU types.
This could lead to starvation for hosts with multiple GPU types.
E.g. the limit is 10, and a host has 10 NVIDIA jobs and no AMD jobs.

Fix this by enforcing limits separately for each GPU type.


Claggy

Yeah something in a bit off. Just noticed my HTPC is up to 300 tasks in progress. Up from 200. Looks like even tho my ATI card is not asking for work it is being granted the limit for both cards.
I am going to try sticking it in a venue that has "Use ATI GPU" disabled to see if it goes back down.
The intended change is not what is occurring.

And with "Use ATI GPU" disabled I'm still getting 300 tasks.
2888) Message boards : Number crunching : Did the work unit limit change? (Message 1515311)
Posted 13 May 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Apparently the finaly hear our prays and change the limits to 100 WU per GPU.

The change indicates that it should still be 100 tasks, but per GPU type. So If you can NVIDIA, ATI, & iGPU you could have 300 GPU tasks, but it is not working that way at present.
2889) Message boards : Number crunching : Did the work unit limit change? (Message 1515292)
Posted 13 May 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I reenabled Intel GPU work fetch, and got my i5-3210M/GT650M/Intel_Graphics_HD4000 to ask for work, it now has 300 tasks, but they are a mix of CPU and Nvidia tasks, none for the Intel GPU,
so probably a project side scheduler limit change, rather than a scheduler change that introduces limits per vendor.

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/results.php?hostid=7054027&offset=0&show_names=0&state=0&appid=0

Edit: I've reported this to the boinc_dev list, the changeset was:

http://boinc.berkeley.edu/gitweb/?p=boinc-v2.git;a=commit;h=9889ee8fb64f52e145f889b8fb62c6004f293f0a

scheduler: enforce GPU job limits separately for each GPU type

Previously, if a project specified a limit on GPU jobs in progress,
it would be enforced across GPU types.
This could lead to starvation for hosts with multiple GPU types.
E.g. the limit is 10, and a host has 10 NVIDIA jobs and no AMD jobs.

Fix this by enforcing limits separately for each GPU type.


Claggy

Yeah something in a bit off. Just noticed my HTPC is up to 300 tasks in progress. Up from 200. Looks like even tho my ATI card is not asking for work it is being granted the limit for both cards.
I am going to try sticking it in a venue that has "Use ATI GPU" disabled to see if it goes back down.
The intended change is not what is occurring.
2890) Message boards : Number crunching : AP WUs? (Message 1515188)
Posted 12 May 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Many of my latest APs are taking 2 and 3 times longer than usual. When I look at the stderr output, the long ones say any where from 30% to 80% blanking. The 100% blanked take 1 or 2 seconds. The 0% to ~20% take about the usual amount of time.

Luck of the draw, I guess.

It does look that way. Out of my 174 currently returned AP I have 8 with high blanking. Not including 3 that are Blanked 100%.
ap_03ja09aa_B3_P1_00363_20140505_28626.wu
ap_06fe08aa_B4_P0_00307_20140505_00696.wu
ap_21fe09af_B0_P0_00368_20140506_15753.wu
ap_21fe09af_B5_P1_00287_20140506_20239.wu
ap_23se08af_B3_P0_00262_20140501_21912.wu
ap_26au08ac_B4_P0_00020_20140501_17031.wu
ap_06dc08af_B1_P1_00078_20140415_07900.wu
ap_30mr10ac_B5_P0_00141_20120716_17835.wu

Most of the rest are 0.00-2.5% with a few 14%. I did see several with:
Found 30 single pulses and 30 repeating pulses, exiting.
percent blanked: 0.00

However I didn't tally up all of those.
2891) Message boards : Number crunching : Did the work unit limit change? (Message 1515183)
Posted 12 May 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Don't run GPU CPU only.

Seems like I should be able to get 10 days worth.

Most people would be timing out tasks if they gave out more than 100 WU per CPU even very fast ones. Most people do this casually and don't pay much attention to their crunching. 10 days is a long time between connections for a serious cruncher. There were no complaints about running out of CPU work but many about GPU.

On my old i7-860 machines 100 AP tasks do work out to be something like an 8-9 day cache. My i5-4670 will run thought 100 in more like 5-6 days.

I voiced my opinion about 100 CPU task limits several times. When running MB only on my large multi core system like my 24 core server. 100 tasks can be less than a days worth of work. Just like on some GPU's.
My 24 core server & i7-860's just switch over to their backup projects when we do run out of work. So it isn't a huge deal anyway.

If task limits per CPU socket were an option that would be nice, but I have since reconfigured BOINC to run 1 instance per NUMA node on my 24 core system. Which looks it may be better to do as well.
2892) Message boards : Number crunching : Keep getting memory needed notices (Message 1515167)
Posted 12 May 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thank you for your response. Two things stand out: first, my disk space graphic (sorry, can't figure out how to post a picture here) only has 3 lines of text in top left section under header Total Disc Usage, not 4. The missing line is: "Free, available to BOINC."

Secondly, your 3rd graphic shows a dialogue box with tabs for Processor Usage, Network Usage and Disc and Memory Usage; I can find no such dialogue box anywhere, so I am unable to clear anything.

I really appreciate your ongoing attempts to help me figure out the problem. I apologize for being so slow.

For me the line "Free, not available to BOINC" goes away when local preferences are being used. Which you are using. You can get to the settings I displayed by going to Tools & then selecting Computing Preferences.
2893) Message boards : Number crunching : AP WUs? (Message 1514873)
Posted 12 May 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Anybody else experiencing longer than usual crunch times on this batch of APs due possibly to high blanking?

Bad timing for me because I'm trying to determine if a blown power supply (SST-ST1500!) hurt a couple of my GTX780ti's.

All of the APs I have looked at so far are all 0.00 blanking. However I didn't really check out the pulse count on them
2894) Message boards : Number crunching : Keep getting memory needed notices (Message 1514431)
Posted 10 May 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
OK, I've done everything indicated, problem persists. For the record, receiving error messages such as:

"SETI@home: Notice from server
AstroPulse v6 needs 60.00MB more disk space. You currently have 0.00MB available and it needs 60.00MB."

I'm getting the same message for SETI@home. I'm also running Rosetta, no error messages yet.

HP Envy, I7, 6-core processor, 2TB hard drive, BOINC version 7.2.42, wxWidgets version 2.8.10.

Now, I'm not receiving any AstroPulse or Seti@Home work units.

If you check the disk tab you can see how much is being used by BOINC & how much you have set it to use.

Also at start up in your event log you can see how much BOINC thinks it has to use as well.

Then you can check your disk preferences to see if they match the website settings. If not you can press the "Clear" button to have your client use the web settings.


You can click the images for larger versions.
If you look at the first image on the left side.
-The 1st line shows BOINC is using about 362MB. This includes projects & the BOINC application.
-The 2nd line shows BOINC can use 18.88GB more if it would like.
-The 3rd line shows how much free space BOINC is not allowed to use.
-The 4th line shows how much space is used by everything else on the drive.
On the right it breaks down how much each project is using not including the BOINC app.

The first things to check is the 3rd line. Is there free space on the disk? If your disk if full then no changing of setting will help.
2895) Message boards : Number crunching : Radeon R9 Cards Not Passing POST (Message 1514419)
Posted 10 May 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Perhaps.

But I feel pretty stupid now - turns out it was the specific combination of the Gigabyte R9 cards and a certain monitor that was the issue. Don't know why the monitor only likes the POST output from older cards, but I tested it on other monitors and POST, start-up screens, etc all worked without issue.

Oh well, at least that hurdle is over. Bit bummed that buying the new motherboard was completely unnecessary, but that's the way it goes.

Now for a completely separate topic (for which I'll start another thread if necessary)... why Linux BOINC isn't detecting the GPUs. I have run GPU tasks on Linux in the past, but all that was necessary back then was installing the appropriate proprietary driver. libcuda.so, libOpenCL.so, and libaticalrt.so are all there in /usr/lib/ (or at least sub-directories therein) and BOINC coproc_debug messages say drivers are there, it just can't pick up the GPUs. Looks like it's back to more tinkering/testing...

I have a similar issue. I have an Princeton LCD I bought in '04 or '05 that doesn't work with ATI cards when using the DVI connection at post or in Windows unless you only use the standard VGA driver. The VGA connection works fine however.
At the time I bought it I spent quite a long time troubleshooting & then found it is a known issue with the monitor. :/ It still happens with with current drivers & my HD6850. The DVI does work fine with Intel GPU's.
So I have just stuck with Samsung monitors since then and not had any issues.
2896) Message boards : Number crunching : No ATI GPU WUs? (Message 1514294)
Posted 10 May 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hello

I have the same problem. AMD Hawaii GPU doesn`t work with SETI WU.
My AMD R9 290X has a video memory of 4 GB, Boinc detected 2 or 3 GB only.

I use the latest Catalyst drivers, unfortunately, the field remains the driver version which normally indicates empty. There is only "AMD Hawaii (2048MB) OpenCL: 1.2". The specification of the RAM is not true.

Under the Einstein @ Home project works the card for GPU work units. There, however, is also unaware of the driver version used. All very strange.

Greetings from Chris

Newer card seem to have dropped ATI CAL support. Which is what BOINC uses to detect ATI GPUs. A new detection method will have to designed so newer cards are compatible with SETI@home. Other projects may not use that info for their detection method.
2897) Message boards : Number crunching : Radeon R9 Cards Not Passing POST (Message 1514232)
Posted 9 May 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
However, when I try putting the R9 280Xs (whether one at a time or both at once) in an older but working motherboard, also only supporting PCIe 2.x, I see no POST messages on start-up - only a black screen.
2898) Message boards : Number crunching : Dual graphics card issues (Message 1513924)
Posted 9 May 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I use the extend desktop to get my built in Intel GPU to work & then after I start BOINC I set it back to only have the desktop on the actual monitor. I only have to set extend again if I am restarting BOINC or the system.


I use the "Duplicate these displays" to get my iGPU working with my GTX550Ti, and no possibility of losing my mouse or windows.

I do not get that option on my systems. However I do see it on one at work, but it actually has 2 monitors.
2899) Message boards : Number crunching : Running Stock Experiment (Message 1513860)
Posted 8 May 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

Some people think that having BOINC run only on the "real" cores vs running across all cores makes things faster. In either case the processing times when running 4 instead of 8 tasks will be shorter. However the total amount of work done, or RAC, will be less when running 4 instead of 8. The last time I tested 4 tasks vs 8 was with MB6 where 4 tasks ended up giving something like 10-20% less RAC IIRC. MB7 could prove to be different.

Thats why I should run with 4 cores and see what happens. It should be intersting.

I am also going to get out my meter and check the power usages of 4 vs 8 tasks. Then I'll see if the % increase in RAC is along the same lines at the $ increase in power usage.
2900) Message boards : Number crunching : Dual graphics card issues (Message 1513789)
Posted 8 May 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I use the extend desktop to get my built in Intel GPU to work & then after I start BOINC I set it back to only have the desktop on the actual monitor. I only have to set extend again if I am restarting BOINC or the system.
2901) Message boards : Number crunching : Catalyst 14.4 released any issues? (Message 1513779)
Posted 8 May 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I'm hoping it was just something associated with the nVidia driver interacting with the new AMD driver. I've always had trouble with the nVidia driver in Windows 8. It even gave me the Black 'Flashing' screens when I uninstalled it for the last time. Same as the other times, as soon as the Installer deleted the driver the screens went Black and I had to Force Quit the machine. Tapping the Power button Does Not Work in these cases. I removed the NV8800, inserted the AMD7750, booted, and installed 14.4 again. So far all is well, except this DDR3 7750 is about twice as slow as the GDDR5 7750. If I would have known it was so slow, I'd bought another 6850...oh well. At least it's cool and doesn't suck much electricity :-)

Maybe the issues exists with different GPU's in different Cat versions.
2902) Message boards : Number crunching : Could it be ? Tripple-Buffers in Nvidia drivers shorten WUs to crunsh ? (Message 1513764)
Posted 8 May 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/results.php?userid=703977&offset=0&show_names=0&state=2&appid=

Sieht alles normal aus, leider :(

Hatte gedacht ich hätte den "Stein der Weisen" entdeckt, die Laufzeiten der WorkUnits sind völlig gleichbleibend.

War nur so ne Idee, aaaaber vielleicht finde ich doch noch ein paar
Leistungoptimierungen im Treiber mit Nvidia Inspector !?

Grüße

Kann nicht mit Link zu Ihrer Benutzeraufgaben. Es muss nicht für jemand anderes arbeiten.
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/results.php?userid=792&offset=0&show_names=0&state=2&appid=
Nur durch die hostid. So wie hier.
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/results.php?hostid=7248867&offset=0&show_names=0&state=2&appid=
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/results.php?hostid=7278301&offset=0&show_names=0&state=2&appid=

Treibereinstellungen haben wenig oder keinen Einfluss auf die SETI @ home Arbeit.

Es tut uns leid zu Google übersetzen
2903) Message boards : Number crunching : Catalyst 14.4 released any issues? (Message 1513757)
Posted 8 May 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I'm not noticing any speed difference on my Windows 8.1 machine running AstroPulses, however.... I'm now having the Displays refusing to wake up. It's happened twice now since changing to 14.4 whereas it never did that with 13.12. The only thing I can do is hold the Power button down to shut it down. Not Good.

My notebook, with a HD6370M, starting having this issue with Cat 13.9 & 13.12. It stopped after Cat 14.4. However I had to pop out the battery & pull the charger to get it to actually shut off when this happened. Which was every time the monitor went to sleep.
2904) Message boards : Number crunching : Date of creation of teams on home page (Message 1513748)
Posted 8 May 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I wouldn't put too much store the team start date, according to my data, I joined Seti after my team was created, odd since I created the team AFTER I joined Seti ;-)

c'est la vie

P.

Perhaps would there a possibility to request an amendment of this date to Eric...
The increment is automated but it certainly should be able to change exceptionally... maybe...

It would seem creation date for teams was not tracked on classic SETI@home. So there is no data to use to amend the date.
http://seticlassic.ssl.berkeley.edu/team_list.html
2905) Message boards : Number crunching : Could it be ? Tripple-Buffers in Nvidia drivers shorten WUs to crunsh ? (Message 1513744)
Posted 8 May 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I recall a long time ago in the nvidia drivers there was something like "z buffer: single, double, triple", but as far as I am aware none of the 3D settings have any effect on wu run times.
2906) Message boards : Number crunching : Date of creation of teams on home page (Message 1513425)
Posted 7 May 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
If I had to guess, I'd say that all teams created before a certain date were assigned 1 Mar 1999 because the date wasn't tracked before some date (maybe a couple of years ago)? Looking through the list of University teams, in the first 40, there are only 2 that don't have that date, one in Dec 2012 and one in 2013.
I guess it's possible they were all created on the same day, but it doesn't seem
likely to me...

-Dave

You meant to tell me. That our SETI@home team was not created 3 months before the motherboard was even released? I don't know. Seems fishy to me...

I see some teams from 2004 & 2005. So I am going to guess that the team creation date started with the change over to BOINC.
2907) Message boards : Number crunching : Issues with Lunatics site ? (Message 1513180)
Posted 7 May 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
It looks like whomever we use for our DNS at work has also dropped the kwsn.net domain today. However, the kwsnforum.com domain is still in place and working.
I added kwsn.net to my local lab DNS for the time being.
2908) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (88) Server Problems? (Message 1513178)
Posted 7 May 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I dunno the creation rate seems pretty normal to me. 240/sec is normal right?</sarcasm>

The ready to send has dropped down to about 100k prior to maintenance. So I suppose this is not totally unexpected behavior.
2909) Message boards : Number crunching : Date of creation of teams on home page (Message 1513061)
Posted 7 May 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Did not notice. Good catch. Now I'm a bit Sad we missed the 15th anniversary date of our team on March 1st.
2910) Message boards : Number crunching : 15th Anni T-shirt discussions (Message 1513012)
Posted 6 May 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I am in the South Jersey/Philadelphia area. If there are others in the area I would be willing to be a distribution site if interested.
Uli could bulk ship to the area & then we could work out pick up/drop off schedules.
2911) Message boards : Number crunching : PM inboxes broken - Team notified - No further action required (Message 1513003)
Posted 6 May 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
It appears last night's changes/additions to the web code (notably this new list) had the unexpected side effect of breaking something completely unrelated i.e. the PM inbox.

This is slightly off topic, but I was looking through the new CPU list, and did not see my CPU listed, or did I simply miss it?

AMD Athlon(tm) 64 FX-74 Processor [Family 15 Model 193 Stepping 3].

Anybody have an idea as to how this list was compiled? I know I am not the only one still running this particular CPU.
Thanks.
Bruce

The list shows (or should show: I've had to have one error fixed already) "peak CPU speed (based on benchmarks) for all CPU models with at least 10 active hosts." - by 'active', he means hosts with a RAC of at least 100. There might not be quite enough of you 'active' yet.

Aww my PIII 850MHz will never make the list. With it's whole 60ish RAC.
Also the PM's seem to be fixed now.

My [Family 15 Model 1 Stepping 2] made the very last line of the table, even though it's a 1.6 GHz and the others are 1.8

But my Whetstone is ~850 MHz: how come the median is 200 MHz?

Perhaps the other 9 are running a different version of BOINC that generates a drastically lower benchmark score? After seeing the benchmark values change a lot from version to version a long time ago I disable benchmarks when starting BOINC & rounded out the values on my systems.

I wonder if there are plans to merge values like these into one result.
Intel(R) Core(TM) i7 CPU 860 @ 2.80GHz [x86 Family 6 Model 30 Stepping 5]
Intel(R) Core(TM) i7 CPU 860 @ 2.80GHz [Family 6 Model 30 Stepping 5]
Intel(R) Core(TM) i7 CPU 860 @ 2.80GHz [Intel64 Family 6 Model 30 Stepping 5]
2912) Message boards : Number crunching : PM inboxes broken - Team notified - No further action required (Message 1512991)
Posted 6 May 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
It appears last night's changes/additions to the web code (notably this new list) had the unexpected side effect of breaking something completely unrelated i.e. the PM inbox.

This is slightly off topic, but I was looking through the new CPU list, and did not see my CPU listed, or did I simply miss it?

AMD Athlon(tm) 64 FX-74 Processor [Family 15 Model 193 Stepping 3].

Anybody have an idea as to how this list was compiled? I know I am not the only one still running this particular CPU.
Thanks.
Bruce

The list shows (or should show: I've had to have one error fixed already) "peak CPU speed (based on benchmarks) for all CPU models with at least 10 active hosts." - by 'active', he means hosts with a RAC of at least 100. There might not be quite enough of you 'active' yet.

Aww my PIII 850MHz will never make the list. With it's whole 60ish RAC.
Also the PM's seem to be fixed now.
2913) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (88) Server Problems? (Message 1512990)
Posted 6 May 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I'm not normally one to complain about small changes.. but if you go and look at the taskID for any completed tasks you have.. the run/CPU times are now displayed in units instead of just seconds.

I guess there was a reason for it..but it just feels weird and I don't like it. :( It has always been seconds with a decimal point, too. I was okay with it when they changed the credit granted to only showing two digits behind the decimal instead of 8(?)... but now the time being human readable is just an outrage! (comedic sarcasm there...don't take that statement seriously)

Seriously though.. it's just weird. Maybe I'll get used to it.. but change just feels weird and I don't like it.

Thank goodness he didn't apply the same change to the summary task lists - that would really mess up your spreadsheets.

Woah, that's weird. I looked at it and I was like "how many seconds are in 4 hours". Really glad the task list hasn't changed. That would tend to make it more difficult for me to do comparisons.
2914) Message boards : Number crunching : PM inboxes broken - Team notified - No further action required (Message 1512819)
Posted 6 May 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I think it was around 1-1:30AM EDT when I sent a PM & it was OK then. Definitely nerfed now. Hopefully it is just the display of the inbox & all the messages are still there.
2915) Message boards : Number crunching : New iMac Slower with Seti@home (Message 1512717)
Posted 6 May 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Mavericks seems to be slower

Are they implementing more aggressive power saving settings that may be causing things to run slower. As has been seen in some Linux builds?
2916) Message boards : Number crunching : old files (Message 1512595)
Posted 5 May 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Well I was wrong APs are being split.

Yeah if we are good and eat all of our MB we get to have AP for dessert.
2917) Message boards : Number crunching : Catalyst 14.4 released any issues? (Message 1512177)
Posted 4 May 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
„AMD has received feedback that some users are unable to install the Catalyst 14.4 driver on some motherboards with AMD chipsets. We have investigated the issue and have determined that it was caused by the AHCI driver component that was included with the driver package.

We have therefore removed the AHCI driver component from the driver package and will be providing it as a separate download.

If you were affected by this issue, we recommend you download and install this updated version of the driver.”


Anyone affected here ?

Hopefully when they will list the effected chipsets.
More importantly... Why would they be stuffing SATA drivers in with my video driver!
2918) Message boards : Number crunching : Running Stock Experiment (Message 1512175)
Posted 4 May 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Rac is 2516 and pendings are down to 17.

I had a thought, I was going to let the GPU run MB stock when My rac was stable. But Im wondering if I should turn off HT and just run 4 real cores? And see if that really makes a differance. We have all read that 4 cores can beat 8 HT cores. Seeing as how im doing a test would it be worth a try before I run a GPU.
I would then run 3 cores and a GPU and see what happens before I went back to 7 cores HT and a GPU. All this would be stock MB.

Edit-this host

You can also run 4 tasks with HT on. Which is what I am going at the moment. Then there are two different options when doing 4 tasks & HT on. Let the tasks run across all the cores at 50% or specify which cores BOINC may use. To specify which cores you can start BOINC using the built in windows affinity commands. I did a little write up on how to do that here if you want to give it a go.

Im curious about what that would mean HAL? Faster crunching?

Some people think that having BOINC run only on the "real" cores vs running across all cores makes things faster. In either case the processing times when running 4 instead of 8 tasks will be shorter. However the total amount of work done, or RAC, will be less when running 4 instead of 8. The last time I tested 4 tasks vs 8 was with MB6 where 4 tasks ended up giving something like 10-20% less RAC IIRC. MB7 could prove to be different.
2919) Message boards : Number crunching : Running Stock Experiment (Message 1512089)
Posted 4 May 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Rac is 2516 and pendings are down to 17.

I had a thought, I was going to let the GPU run MB stock when My rac was stable. But Im wondering if I should turn off HT and just run 4 real cores? And see if that really makes a differance. We have all read that 4 cores can beat 8 HT cores. Seeing as how im doing a test would it be worth a try before I run a GPU.
I would then run 3 cores and a GPU and see what happens before I went back to 7 cores HT and a GPU. All this would be stock MB.

Edit-this host

You can also run 4 tasks with HT on. Which is what I am going at the moment. Then there are two different options when doing 4 tasks & HT on. Let the tasks run across all the cores at 50% or specify which cores BOINC may use. To specify which cores you can start BOINC using the built in windows affinity commands. I did a little write up on how to do that here if you want to give it a go.
2920) Message boards : Number crunching : Radeon R9 Cards Not Passing POST (Message 1511805)
Posted 3 May 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
ASUS P5E3 with Core 2 Q9550. Actually, it's this host.

I thought HD 6000 series was PCIe 2.1... which works fine. Also, GTX 670 is PCIe 3.0.

Starting with the HD5000 series they were using PCIe 2.1. MY HD6870 worked fine in my C2D system as well.
I just recall reading about this issues as I was thinking about getting some current generation low powered cards for my older systems. Something like the R7 240 or R7 250X.
The change in the spec has to do with power from the slot & the implementation of the change could vary from device I suppose. It just seems like it may be your issue, or it may not. Computers can be a pain like that I found.
I had a system that would not post if memory was inserted in channels A & B, or just A for that matter, & would give a "no memory present" post code. One of the screws holding the heatsink mount to the motherboard was "to tight". Despite using my torque screwdriver to tighten them all the same amount.
2921) Message boards : Number crunching : Radeon R9 Cards Not Passing POST (Message 1511784)
Posted 3 May 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The change in the PCIe spec from 2.0 to 2.1 causes some newer cards, of PCIe 2.1 or newer, not to work correctly in older motherboards. The motherboard manufacture may have an update to aid in this comparability issue. If not you may need to find boards that have PCIe 2.1 or 3.0 for the newer cards to be fully functional.
The other option does seem to be placing a compatible card in the system. Maybe you could get a PCIe x1 card to boot the system if you have a free slot for it.
2922) Message boards : Number crunching : Issues with Lunatics site ? (Message 1511609)
Posted 3 May 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Well this looks a bit odd.
> lunatics.kwsn.net
Server:  ni.kwsn.net
Address:  63.247.72.178

*** ni.kwsn.net can't find lunatics.kwsn.net: Server failed
2923) Message boards : Number crunching : Advice needed on overclocking (Message 1511455)
Posted 2 May 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Intel's turbo boost is kind of a built in overclocking mechanism. Basically as long as the processor is running withing the predefined thermal limit that Intel set it will clock up to a given speed depending how it is used.
A i7-4770K might run anywhere from 3.5GHZ to 3.9GHZ while running SETI@home with turbo boost enabled. With a good aftermarket cooling solution it might stay cool enough to run 3.9GHz all of the time. Or it might clock down to 3.8GHz because it runs 1ºC hotter than Intel specified for that frequency. With a stock cooler you would be lucky if it didn't go into thermal protection and downclock.

With the GPU's you can get factory overclocked versions. With cards like the 780ti I mostly only see factory OC versions. With the factory overclock only being a few percent. I imagine they still have some headroom for user overclocking, but it is hard to say for sure. If a company is selling stock speed and differnt levels of OC cards I would tend to think they cards that can't do much more would be the ones sold with less factory OC.
2924) Message boards : Number crunching : Advice needed on overclocking (Message 1511063)
Posted 2 May 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Basically you can turn the screws up as much as you like. Once you start seeing invalid tasks and computation errors you know you have gone to far. Even if the system is otherwise stable.

I cranked one of my i5-4670K systems up to 4.2GHz at stock voltage just to see how good of a job the Noctua NH-D14 on it would do. After 2 days I set it back to stock speed as the extra power consumed wasn't worth the speed gains. I might do more tests later to find the most efficient OC speed for the system, but I'm in no hurry.
2925) Message boards : Number crunching : Zero day IE vulnerability. Effects all OS's. XP users not to get a fix. - Update published (Message 1510961)
Posted 1 May 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thread can be closed now that the fix has been published.
2926) Message boards : Number crunching : Zero day IE vulnerability. Effects all OS's. XP users not to get a fix. - Update published (Message 1510949)
Posted 1 May 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Microsoft have issued a patch for this vulnerability, and it IS available (now) for Windows XP.

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2964358

It looks like they released this update for XP as well despite assumptions that they would not.
2927) Message boards : Number crunching : Win 8.1 Issues and Questions. (Message 1510943)
Posted 1 May 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I think you're right about CNET. I think I took the first search hit from a site name I recognized. Won't do that again and I'm inclined to block that site. Think I commented recently about how disappointed I was when I went to their site. I used to use it a lot but have not used it much in recent years. It has real1y deteriorated. I'll pickup 7-Zip from one of the suggested sites later today.

I generally go with the site from the people that make the software or www.oldapps.com. So far old apps has not been doing any weird stuff to download packages & they are good for when you need an older version of something for some reason.
2928) Message boards : Number crunching : Win 8.1 Issues and Questions. (Message 1510579)
Posted 1 May 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have not had any problem with the 7-zip installer either. I always grab it from http://www.7-zip.org/ if I don't have it locally.
2929) Message boards : Number crunching : Catalyst 14.4 released any issues? (Message 1510550)
Posted 1 May 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
So they finally decided to release a new Catalyst in 2014. Have you braved 14.4 yet or are you going to hold onto 13.12 a bit longer?
2930) Message boards : Number crunching : Zero day IE vulnerability. Effects all OS's. XP users not to get a fix. - Update published (Message 1510288)
Posted 30 Apr 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have SeaMonkey as a default browser but Boinc still starts IE. Or is this Win 8.1 issue?


BOINC simply calls the default browser as specified by the OS. Some browsers don't properly set themselves as default. To make sure your browser is set properly, click on Start -> Default Programs -> Set Program Access and Computer Defaults, then expand the custom section, look for the "Choose a default web browser:" and make sure the correct one is selected there (don't just leave it on "Use my current web browser").


Not sure where to go (I use Finnish version of Windows), but I did find place to change the settings. Boinc now uses SeaMonkey. Thanks.

Sometimes apps have it hard coded to run iexplorer.exe. Which I only found after removing IE on several systems at work.
2931) Message boards : Number crunching : BOINC Software is making my Mac really, really slow (Message 1510112)
Posted 30 Apr 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have noticed on my PC systems that if all of the CPU cores are busy doing VLAR tasks the whole system will bog down & if may have to suspend all tasks so I can do simple tasks on the system.
2932) Message boards : Number crunching : Zero day IE vulnerability. Effects all OS's. XP users not to get a fix. - Update published (Message 1510066)
Posted 29 Apr 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Does that anonymous login have a password or is it blank? Also, I notice you elevated your CMD session... is that required or can you run CMD, CD into your Downloads folder and download it there?

Anonymous is normally a blank password. Sometimes a server may require something like an e-mail address for a password where you can normally just use something like nobody@home.net so it matches the pattern.
I am unsure if an elevated command line is required. I choose to be unsafe & disable UAC. It may work non-elevated. If not then it is probably required.
2933) Message boards : Number crunching : AP WUs? (Message 1510044)
Posted 29 Apr 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
It would be nice if selecting a 10 day cache, you would actually get a 10 day cache....

Well BOINC will fill a 10 day cache if you have enough other projects that do not have task limits. As I run almost only CPU & have a lot of old hardware the 100 task limit is nearly a 10 day cache on most of my machines. Several of my machines that I allow AP work still have 20-30 AP to do. While my fastest only has 9 left. So the RAC on that system is a submarine... "Prepare to dive!" lol
2934) Message boards : Number crunching : Zero day IE vulnerability. Effects all OS's. XP users not to get a fix. - Update published (Message 1510038)
Posted 29 Apr 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
A good time to find a new browser was long time ago, around the time when IE6 was the current version and Microsoft didn't bother to improve it and Firefox 1.x came out.

Agreed. I held onto 2000 Pro until around the time Vista came out, and then finally moved up to XP, and the one and only time I used IE in XP: to pull up getfirefox.com.

A slightly safer way to download your preferred alternative browser if you like.

You can stuff that into a command line ftp script if you like as well:
open ftp.mozilla.org
anonymous

binary
cd pub/firefox/releases/21.0/win32/en-US/
get "Firefox Setup 21.0.exe"

Then you just have to type "ftp -s:get_ff.txt" & a few seconds later you have it ready to install.
2935) Message boards : Number crunching : Zero day IE vulnerability. Effects all OS's. XP users not to get a fix. - Update published (Message 1509743)
Posted 29 Apr 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
If you are still using IE on your XP crunchers it would probably be a good time to find a new browser.

Currently this applies actually to all IE versions, not only those on Windows XP. The difference is, that Vista/7/8 users will get an update one day and XP users not.

Indeed. Which is why I mentioned it in the title & at the end of my post.
A good time to find a new browser was long time ago, around the time when IE6 was the current version and Microsoft didn't bother to improve it and Firefox 1.x came out. IE 10 and 11 are OK, but regardless of this current issue I wouldn't use IE8, which is the latest version available for WinXP.

It definably was, but so many people still cling to IE for some reason. IE still claims nearly 50% of the browser market share.
2936) Message boards : Number crunching : AP WUs? (Message 1509742)
Posted 29 Apr 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
With only a few observations it looks like we burn through enough MB tasks for 20-30 channels to be processes a day. Right now there are around 160 more channels to do. So if no new data was loaded then we still have about a weeks worth of data before the tape run out. They may load new data to be split before then, but they may not.
2937) Message boards : Number crunching : Zero day IE vulnerability. Effects all OS's. XP users not to get a fix. - Update published (Message 1509628)
Posted 28 Apr 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
If you are still using IE on your XP crunchers it would probably be a good time to find a new browser.
"A new zero day vulnerability has been found to affect every version of Internet Explorer"
See also MS SA 2963983

Other OS users should keep an eye out for a security update.
2938) Message boards : Number crunching : Win 8.1 Issues and Questions. (Message 1509302)
Posted 27 Apr 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Way back when, when Win8 was still in Beta, we were at a Best Buy looking at it. The tech guy that was telling us about it told us that even though 8 had the "classic shell", it still did not act quite like XP or 7. Also, he said that there was no way in the Universe that MS was going to allow us to boot directly into the "classic shell". :(


Note that you're mixing up two different things here. There is a piece of software called "Classic Shell" which the purpose was to return the missing Start button that was remove in Windows 8; Windows 8 boots into the Start Screen by default, as opposed to booting to the Desktop (which is what you are referring to as "classic shell").

With Windows 8.1, booting to the Desktop is allowed now, and they have returned the Start button to the Desktop taskbar; however pressing the Start button still brings you to the Start Screen. Installing the third-party software called Classic Shell will bring back the old Start Menu (that doesn't take up the full screen).

A future update to Windows 8.1 will bring back the Start Menu.

My question now is: Has MS backed up and allowed booting directly to the classic shell and allowed us to do the things we now do in XP or 7?


Yes, you can boot to the Desktop as long as you are using Windows 8.1.

I seem to remember that in classic shell, only 1 application program could run at a time vs I run no less then 2 applications at a time in 7 now. :)


I'm a bit confused here. There is no application limitation that I'm aware of in either Windows 7 or Windows 8/8.1. Windows has always been a multitasking OS whose purpose is to allow you to run as many applications as you have available resources.

Windows XP Starter & Windows 7 Starter editions have a limit of 3 apps open at a time, but otherwise I want confused as well.
2939) Message boards : Number crunching : Different speeds on identical GPU's. (Message 1509280)
Posted 27 Apr 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
With only 3 tasks complete to look at it is hard to tell. One has 42.89% blanking. So isn't good to compare at all. The other two are 0% & 2.59% blanked. So better to compare, but only having one data point for each card doesn't give much insight.
2940) Message boards : Number crunching : Not receiving CPU work units (Message 1509279)
Posted 27 Apr 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
<ncpus>-1</ncpus> ???

Client Configuration
<ncpus>N</ncpus>
Act as if there were N CPUs; e.g. to simulate 2 CPUs on a machine that has only 1. To use the number of available CPUs, set the value to -1 (was 0 which in newer clients really means zero).
2941) Message boards : Number crunching : Badges on S@H ? (Message 1509240)
Posted 27 Apr 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Let's hope that bug in the php gets squashed!


Yep, definitely needs squashing! With a rac of 3k for the past week or so, still showing zip.

I'm not sure that the badges have change in any was since December. The bit that makes it update could have been taken offline. Unless you follow the dev list it is unknown.
2942) Message boards : Number crunching : Ghost wu's (Message 1509234)
Posted 27 Apr 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Also are you sure you are viewing all tasks instead of only active ones? Given that your system has 4 cores you would only see 4 if set to only view active tasks.
2943) Message boards : Number crunching : Win 8.1 Issues and Questions. (Message 1509228)
Posted 27 Apr 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The previous refereed to "Classic Shell" is an applications you install not some mode of operation within Windows.
http://www.classicshell.net/
It does things such as return the start button & you can configure how it looks. From Windows 2000 to Windows 7 appearance.
After you log in you are also brought directly to the desktop instead of the Start Screen.
It also has several other features to return previous useful functions.

Several apps that return start button functionality came out after the release of Windows 8 & have been fairly popular.
2944) Message boards : Number crunching : AP WUs? (Message 1509097)
Posted 27 Apr 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Once the current batch of tapes are done being split into MB tasks there will be.
See: http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/sah_status.html
2945) Message boards : Number crunching : Not receiving CPU work units (Message 1508998)
Posted 26 Apr 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thx, I'll try the lunatics installer as the last time I ran that was on the old drive. For reference, the lunatics site ( lunatics.kwsn.net ) looks down, hopefully a temporary thing.

You might stop over to the thread: Issues with Lunatics site ?
2946) Message boards : Number crunching : Running Stock Experiment (Message 1508943)
Posted 26 Apr 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Rac went up a tad to 2,950. Pendings for OP apps are now at 25.

My plan at the start was this.
Here is what I plan on doing.
1. Run stock apps on CPU doing only MB work. Will let RAC get stable.
2. Run stock AP on CPU only. Let RAC get stable.
3. Run stock MB and AP on CPU. And run stock MB on gpu. Until stable.
Im wondering that once my pendings are gone and RAC is stable if I should let stock run on the CPU and the GPU. Just to see what increase happens before I go to AP only on the CPU.

Any suggestions?

The AP wells are dry at the moment. So you have a few options of what you could try next
MB: GPU only
MB: CPU & GPU
MB: CPU only, but with fewer tasks. However you would run if reserving for GPU
MB: CPU only HT off
MB: CPU only HT on but only # of tasks = to real cores

You could also take an average of like 1-2 weeks from the daily numbers instead of waiting for the RAC to even out. I'm considering doing this for my 860 I'm playing around with at the moment. Average 2 weeks worth of numbers. Then change config Ignore the numbers for the next two days and then average numbers for the next two weeks.
2947) Message boards : Number crunching : Hyper-V and BOINC? (Message 1508939)
Posted 26 Apr 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Modern hardware and VM software has a fairly small overhead these days. I have seen numbers such as 3-5% quoted. I think Hyper-v gives the option to assign priority within the VM's as well. I am not sure if all of the options are the same when running Hyper-v on a workstation OS vs a server OS. As it looks like you are running this under Windows 8.1 Enterprise. So there could be a learning curve here.
2948) Message boards : Number crunching : Win 8.1 Issues and Questions. (Message 1508496)
Posted 25 Apr 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I don't know what their 2.2 update that says "Support Windows 8" is about, but that seems to indicate they had to make some changes for Windows 8.x.

I just stuck a Windows 8 boot DVD in an old PIII & I at least got the loading screen before it failed with an error code.
2949) Message boards : Number crunching : Hyper-V and BOINC? (Message 1508222)
Posted 24 Apr 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Anyone doing that? It appears that Boinc won't "see" that the hyper-V machines are trying to do stuff, so the hyper-V machines get no CPU time because BOINC is eating it all. I changed it so that BOINC doesn't try to use all the CPUs, but that means I can't make the most of the resources available.

Any workarounds?

-shawn
http://L3-G0.blogspot.com

Were your VM's not using any CPU resources because they were not needed by the VM's? By default BOINC runs the science apps at low priority & the OS handles how to hand out the CPU cycles.
It has been a bit since I used hyper-v but the VM's should have higher than low cpu priority by default iirc. If nothing else you could create a VM that just runs BOINC.
2950) Message boards : Number crunching : solution with reason for "display driver has stopped responding the system has recovered" (Message 1507944)
Posted 24 Apr 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hi HAL9000, could you please post some details on your solution. It will help not just I but others that run across this thread. I thank you in advance.

Robert

Here is the whole MS write up on the options for the video Timeout Detection & Recovery.
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/hardware/ff569918%28v=vs.85%29.aspx
I set TdrLevel to 0. Which basically just turns the whole thing off.

When I would VNC into my HTPC dwm.exe was fluctuating in memory use up to 300-400MB and back down to its normal amount. The graph on the performance tab looked like a sawtooth. Then after a few minutes I would get the display driver has stopped & been recovered message.
2951) Message boards : Number crunching : Win 8.1 Issues and Questions. (Message 1507791)
Posted 23 Apr 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have tried changing BIOS boot priority, and also tried the one-time sequence change option. It gives a message "press any key to boot from the optical drive" or something like that. When I press a key it skips to the next boot priority. Don't know how to tell if the disk is bootable.


Sounds like the disc doesn't contain a boot record and therefore is getting skipped. This is a bit unusual as most Windows discs are bootable. Do you have another machine you can test it in?

How do I find out if autorun is disabled? I tried auto play from the properties box but got the message that it is not a 32 bit app. Yes, I tried running setup.exe from the root dirctory and it failed - 64 bit app in a 32 bit os.


Ah, so the SETUP routine is a 64bit app and won't run under 32bit OS. This means you'll have to get the boot portion working properly in order to upgrade, so we'll have to focus on that.

It is also worth noting that an upgrade can not be preformed when switching platforms, x86 to x64 in this case, & a new installation of windows will be required.

If you see the message "Press any key to boot from the disc..." then chances are pretty good you are booting from the disc. Something just seems to have gone a bit wrong in the booting. Is this a MS disc or did you do the buy online and down an ISO to burn option?
I would try the disc in another machine and/or try another disc in the drive to make sure it boots.
2952) Message boards : Number crunching : Help: after WIN7 switching MAX GPU 75% (Message 1507713)
Posted 23 Apr 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thank you Jason and all,
lately I have had some moments of 95%+ load. But then without any apparent reason load goes back toward the 75% level (in some ways graphics appear as if 75% is like 95%, with some ripples up and down this level).

Anyway, Jason can be right that the hardware is now too old for the software.

But then HAL9000 can get consistent results with an even older GPU.

I will make some new checks, possibly doing some tests in a fresh new partition starting from scratch (well, the OS will come from a precooked one I keep in case of emergencies, so it is part of the same strain of installations).

Also, why still using a 9800? Well, in my main crunching machine I have a 650TI installed. This replaced a 9800, which in turn replaced a 9500 in my home PC.
Therefore, just a bit of turnover. Not all my PCs have the best GPU on the market, but the best I can afford overall.
This way I try to maximise my total RAC, even if unfortunately not minimising electricity consumption.

I am keeping an eye on eBay for good occasions for a better GPU, but for the moment I foresee no quick changes.

:-)

Sleepy

I think the only thing I can point out on my 8500 machine is that I am using the Classic theme instead of the default Windows 7 one. With a 256MB card I have to free up whatever I can to even have it run.

On the bright side even at 75% your 9800 GT is still about 5 times faster than an 8500 GT.
2953) Message boards : Number crunching : Help: after WIN7 switching MAX GPU 75% (Message 1507594)
Posted 23 Apr 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The 8500 GT I am using in this machine. According to GPUz it stays in the range of 90-95% load. I have not really been keeping up on the NVIDIA drivers so the ones I am using are kind of old. They might not even be the best ones to use for this old hardware.
2954) Message boards : Number crunching : solution with reason for "display driver has stopped responding the system has recovered" (Message 1507485)
Posted 23 Apr 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have used the TdrLevel setting & disabled this feature. As I was having an issue when using uVNC that caused the video driver to crash.
2955) Message boards : Number crunching : Running Stock Experiment (Message 1507432)
Posted 22 Apr 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
-[ snip ]-
-[ snip ]-

Greetings Hal,

I too am running an i7 860 processor. I was wondering if you have an overheating problem with yours? My 860 likes to overheat really easy, right from the build. It will not run with the stock fan. I have a Corsair cooler installed to keep the temp down. I have to suck the dust accumulation from the radiator about every 6 weeks or so. I also use TThrottle to help keep the temp down. I can only run on 6 cores safely. If memory serves from a few years ago when I researched the 860, I found that the temp threshold was at 72 deg C. Any thoughts? I do plan on doing a new build within the next 6 months, so this question may become moot. ;)

Keep on BOINCing...! :)

In warmer months, as my central AC is a bit rubbish & ~30 years old, it would have issues. So I bought a Thermalright Venomous X RT for it. I only just cleaned the dust out of it a few weeks ago after 3-4 years of running 24/7.

Greetings Hal,

3-4 years without dust removal? :O What part of the US are you in? I just reread your post and saw that you only run on 4 cores. As I mentioned, I run SETI on 6 cores. In cooler weather and with TThrottle I can run on 8. But, we're getting near to Summer and here in Iowa it gets quite warm.

I have my monitoring utility set to sound the alarm if the CPU gets to 63 deg C. That will tell me it's time to blow out dust again. :)

Keep on BOINCing...! :)

Even with 8 cores I don't recall it running much warmer with that cooler. The fan runs 1000-1200RPM & I use a bit of a 3M furnace filter, which I use in my central system, crammed in the front of the case where the air gets sucked in. So I just have to clean that about once a year. Instead of dealing with cleaning a heatsink.
2956) Message boards : Number crunching : Running Stock Experiment (Message 1507264)
Posted 22 Apr 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
-[ snip ]-

Sometimes you learn things better by doing it the hard way.

You may find it interesting to compare your i7-920 to my i7-860 as you run this test. It is running 4 tasks, HT on, MB only, & the SSSE3x opt app. It was my old HTPC & has only been going for about two weeks. So is still working on leveling out.

Greetings Hal,

I too am running an i7 860 processor. I was wondering if you have an overheating problem with yours? My 860 likes to overheat really easy, right from the build. It will not run with the stock fan. I have a Corsair cooler installed to keep the temp down. I have to suck the dust accumulation from the radiator about every 6 weeks or so. I also use TThrottle to help keep the temp down. I can only run on 6 cores safely. If memory serves from a few years ago when I researched the 860, I found that the temp threshold was at 72 deg C. Any thoughts? I do plan on doing a new build within the next 6 months, so this question may become moot. ;)

Keep on BOINCing...! :)

In warmer months, as my central AC is a bit rubbish & ~30 years old, it would have issues. So I bought a Thermalright Venomous X RT for it. I only just cleaned the dust out of it a few weeks ago after 3-4 years of running 24/7.
2957) Message boards : Number crunching : i7 4770K overheating when running seti@home (Message 1507175)
Posted 22 Apr 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I don't have a thermal compound laying around, I'll need that I guess if I am going to remove the heatsink? I will get one and give it a shot...

Reseating the heatsink is a suggestion which may or may not help. Something does seem odd with your CPU running that hot even at 50%.
If I am just reseating a heatsink I don't clean off the thermal compound. So I I do not need to reapply it. With some of these new heatsinks I may mount then 2 or 3 times until I get it just right.
2958) Message boards : Number crunching : Running Stock Experiment (Message 1507171)
Posted 22 Apr 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thanks Josef. I have aborted the GPU work. If I had not been ignorant I would not have had to abort them at all. It seems I need to learn the hard way.

Sometimes you learn things better by doing it the hard way.

You may find it interesting to compare your i7-920 to my i7-860 as you run this test. It is running 4 tasks, HT on, MB only, & the SSSE3x opt app. It was my old HTPC & has only been going for about two weeks. So is still working on leveling out.

Hal Do you run AP only and accept MB when AP isnt availible? Your RAC for the 860 is a bit higher than when I was running a mix on my 920. Plus you dont have a GPU either so Im impressed.

It's MB only. It looks like it may level out around 3500 according to the daily numbers. Once it does level out I think I will set it to 8 at a time to get the numbers from that.
2959) Message boards : Number crunching : i7 4770K overheating when running seti@home (Message 1506936)
Posted 21 Apr 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The temperature is jumping a lot (and quickly) back and forth between 50 and 70 degrees C. The processors' load is also behaving the same way, between 15 & 60%. I am limiting SETI to 50% currently to keep the temps below 80 while it finishes the current tasks, then I will use it only for gaming till the problem is solved.

I am looking into replacing the cpu fan with an h100i, but first I will add a side fan and a bottom fan to my case, to see if it helps.

Thanks a lot for your help guys :)

It does sound a bit like the stock heatsink is not fully secured. It may be worth taking the time to remove & reinstall it. Just to make sure it is fully secure.
2960) Message boards : Number crunching : Running Stock Experiment (Message 1506916)
Posted 21 Apr 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thanks Josef. I have aborted the GPU work. If I had not been ignorant I would not have had to abort them at all. It seems I need to learn the hard way.

Sometimes you learn things better by doing it the hard way.

You may find it interesting to compare your i7-920 to my i7-860 as you run this test. It is running 4 tasks, HT on, MB only, & the SSSE3x opt app. It was my old HTPC & has only been going for about two weeks. So is still working on leveling out.
2961) Message boards : Number crunching : i7 4770K overheating when running seti@home (Message 1505929)
Posted 19 Apr 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
thank you all for your feedback... I guess it is the stock cooler. Well this is a gaming rig mainly, and the stock cooler is doing well since games doesn't require that much cpu. Too bad it won't be running seti 100% on its free time. I'll look into other coolers, it depends on what I'll find where I live. Aside from the fan, finding a good thermal paste locally would be a quasi-impossible.

Current room temperature is around 18 (will be ~30 during summer), and running seti @ 50% cpu load is getting the temp to 80 degrees max.

I think many people over hype thermal compounds. I just use whatever comes in the box with the aftermarket heatsink. Squirt a small amount on, smoosh it with the heatsink, rub it around a bit, & then bolt the heatsink down. Sure spending 5-10 minutes just applying the compound or spend as much for a tube of sure stuff might drop the temps another 3-5 degrees, but I'm not overclocking or near any thermal limits. So it is good enough for me.
2962) Message boards : Number crunching : Estimated production from R9 280x? (Message 1505658)
Posted 18 Apr 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thanks, seahawk. Looks like I'll be getting more from that one GPU than my measly month's worth of CPU time on my Pentium 4 did!

Right now I'm running one of my i5-4670K's with just 4 CPU + Intel GPU doing both MB & AP on the CPU. Which seems to give between 8-9K RAC. Depending on how you run you could use that as a base number for your new system perhaps.
2963) Message boards : Number crunching : i7 4770K overheating when running seti@home (Message 1505654)
Posted 18 Apr 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The stock cooler that comes with Haswell CPU's is not sufficient when running SETI@home full on. Depending on your ambient temperatures a simple cooler such as a simple heatpipe cooler may be sufficient for your needs.
I am using one of these and staying around 50C with ambient around 23C.
2964) Message boards : Number crunching : Win8 delete admin password (Message 1505647)
Posted 18 Apr 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
WAY longer to re-install.

All this utility does is boot the machine to Linux, mount the hard drive, locate the Windows directory and the registry files. Then you insert a "blank" as the users password and write that back to the disk. It's done in about the same time as getting to the first screen of a Windows install.

Now in a corporate network situation this sort of thing would be frowned upon, and isn't needed as the passwords and rights can be controlled via the Domain Policies.

But for stand-alone PCs or workgroup networks, it's a quick and easy way to unlock a machine.

Another time I've had to use it was a HP machine with only one user account. The default administrator account was disabled by default, and the user account became corrupted and could not log in. So user is stuck at the login screen. Used the boot disk, re-enabled the Administrate account and blanked the password. Now log in under that, create a new user, and copy the users data files to the new profile. Even that was only about 10% the time of a full re-install and restore from backups.

Ian

Edit: Also there are no legal issues as long as it's your computer, or you have the owners permission to putz with it. Using it to hack into someone else's machine without their knowledge? Yeah, that's probably breaking some law. They will also notice that their password is gone....

Some countries have very strict laws about using software such as this in any fashion. I don't know what may or may not be legal. Just figured I would point to a pretty good tool I use at that takes about a minute or so to run. There are also paid services that will decrypt the machine passwords. Which we also use at my work, but only in rare occasions where we need the original password vs blanking it out.
2965) Message boards : Number crunching : Win8 delete admin password (Message 1504898)
Posted 16 Apr 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I use this tool to reset passwords on machines at work when people leave.
http://pogostick.net/~pnh/ntpasswd/
2966) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (88) Server Problems? (Message 1504772)
Posted 16 Apr 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Pretty common response after weekly maintenance.

Not since the move to the Colocation facility.

I still see this after maintenance, but it goes away much faster since the move.
2967) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (88) Server Problems? (Message 1504434)
Posted 15 Apr 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hmm..Uploads are fine but no new downloads..

Scheduler request failed:HTTP internal server error

and

Scheduler request failed: Failure when receiving data from the peer
Project Communication failed:attempting to access to reference site
Internet access OK - project servers may be temporarily down


those from 2 of my computers...maybe just a temporary hiccup after servicing the servers?

Pretty common response after weekly maintenance.
2968) Message boards : Number crunching : Radeon R7 250X or 260X good enough for crunching? (Message 1504427)
Posted 15 Apr 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Can you link to what a system using GPU looks like please?

This system is using its built in Intel GPU with the stock applications. In the Applications column you can see "SETI@home v7 v7.03 (opencl_intel_gpu_sah)"
2969) Message boards : Number crunching : Correct delete of HDD before new OS install? (Message 1504421)
Posted 15 Apr 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
It's been a while, but if you boot directly from the install CD, does it not also give you the option of deleting the partitions from the target HD?

If you select custom installation you have the option for repartitioning and formatting of the drive.
There should also be an option on the initial screen, repair or soemthing liek that, then you can get to a command prompt where diskpart can be used.
diskpart
select disk 0
clean
Then you have a newly completely blank drive.
2970) Message boards : Number crunching : New machine vs old machine memory? (Message 1504136)
Posted 14 Apr 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Concerning the AV, why didn't I think of that. I'll have to keep an eye on BOINC when the AV does its daily scan at 03:00. If there is any conflict I can always snooze BOINC until the scan is done as it only take a couple of minutes to do.

I was thinking the AV might just suck up a large amount of memory and hold onto it. Causing the memory for the BOINC apps to start swapping. The AV IS uses at work holds on to about 2GB all of the time it seems.
2971) Message boards : Number crunching : Radeon R7 250X or 260X good enough for crunching? (Message 1504134)
Posted 14 Apr 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Both choices are good low powered card. I am thinking about the R7 250X to replace my HD5750 myself.
You can also use the Intel HD 2500 in your i5 to do work with if you wish.
2972) Message boards : Number crunching : New machine vs old machine memory? (Message 1504091)
Posted 14 Apr 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Any configuration of memory will work. Things are just optimum when you have all channels populated and in use. Which is 3 for the i7-950 and 2 for the i7-4770. Being down a channel just means you will be limited in memory bandwidth, but will most certainly work.


Thanks @HAL9000, limited bandwidth was already taken into consideration, my major concern was the amount of free ram with everything running. Right now the i7/950 with 4GB only has 1 GB free. This build has always been a practical exercise in limited finances

Ah okie. Most of my machines I run only have 4GB. My HTPC running 8 CPU + a GPU seemed to cope just fine with 4GB while running BOINC & my other background video things on it.
Depending on how you will be running your tasks I expect BOINC & the apps will probably use 400-600MB.
If that machine is running AV it can eat up nearly all of the RAM when it does a scan. So that is the only thing I would be concerned about.
2973) Message boards : Number crunching : New machine vs old machine memory? (Message 1504089)
Posted 14 Apr 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Any configuration of memory will work. Things are just optimum when you have all channels populated and in use. Which is 3 for the i7-950 and 2 for the i7-4770. Being down a channel just means you will be limited in memory bandwidth, but will most certainly work.
2974) Message boards : Number crunching : Multiple workunits using "blessed" Astropulse/MB app (Message 1504086)
Posted 14 Apr 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Since no one has answered yet, I'll have a go. I'm not sure there is any plan to modify the basic bonic program to allow more than 1 task per GPU, but that doesn't mean you can't modify it yourself to do that. If you don't want to use the Lunatics then you could just write a simple cc_config.xml and place that in the hidden Bonic data directory. I'm not familiar with Radeon GPUs so I can't add anything there. I would think they would work the same, if not, someone here will say so. For the simple CC_config.xml, i'm posting one that Arkayn posted on another thread


<app_config>
<app>
<name>setiathome_v7</name>
<gpu_versions>
<gpu_usage>0.49</gpu_usage>
<cpu_usage>.04</cpu_usage>
</gpu_versions>
</app>
<app>
<name>astropulse_v6</name>
<gpu_versions>
<gpu_usage>0.51</gpu_usage>
<cpu_usage>1</cpu_usage>
</gpu_versions>
</app>
</app_config>

Hope this helps.

Zalster

I think that would be app_config.xml instead of cc_config.xml. I think one of the main purposes for the implementation of app_config was to allow those running stock apps to run multiple tasks on their GPU like with the anonymous platform apps.
2975) Message boards : Number crunching : Overheating on laptops (Message 1503624)
Posted 13 Apr 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I found just raising the notebook a small amount off of solid surface was fairly helpful in cooling. I used Lego to make stands to place under the feet. Raising the notebook about 10-15mm. As the fan exhaust exits to the left, & slightly down, I place the notebook near the edge of a table. So it blows into the open air instead of heating the table surface.

This seemed more cost effective than buying one of those perforated stands.

I also have the battery out most of the time when it is plugged in. Prevents it slow deteriorating from micro charge cycles & less heat. When I don't plan on traveling I remove the battery with about 40% charge. As this was in a recommendation for lithium battery longevity I read a few years ago.
2976) Message boards : Number crunching : Issues with Lunatics site ? (Message 1503614)
Posted 13 Apr 2014 by Profile HAL9000
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I haven't had any issues the whole time. In my router I use my ISP as my primary DNS and then 8.8.8.8 (Goggle) as my secondary. Single adding goggle as the secondary I don't think I have been having any DNS issues.
2977) Message boards : Number crunching : 2015 Christmas list for the servers (Message 1502646)
Posted 11 Apr 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Here's an idea...someone ask Eric to post an *official* list of the most urgently needed items?

I thought they were doing that with the GPU Users group & their donation page.
2978) Message boards : Number crunching : AMD's Radeon R9 295 X2 Dual GPU cards reviewed (Message 1502447)
Posted 10 Apr 2014 by Profile HAL9000
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Yes i know but they talk about:

The Radeon R9 295X2 draws a total of 420 W from the auxiliary power connectors, and only a few watts more from the motherboard's PCI Express slot.


What i´m curious to know how they manage to do that, since it uses 2x8pin connectors who has the nominal capacity of 150W each...

On other point most of their measures are made for gaming, now crunching you know it´s another world.

Just because there is a spec doesn't mean they have to adhere to it. Sometimes these changes become the new spec.
Some power supply manufactures will built their equipment with more overhead that is required. To the order of 50%, or better, & are able to deliver 225w+ per 8-pin connector.
2979) Message boards : Number crunching : Running Stock Experiment (Message 1502316)
Posted 10 Apr 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I normally consider 4-6 months a good amount of time to find how a change will effect a systems RAC. That way I can compare it to tends that might be ongoing. Such as shorty storms or lots of VLAR tasks.
2980) Message boards : Number crunching : 2015 Christmas list for the servers (Message 1501591)
Posted 9 Apr 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Given that 32GB DDR3 dimms are around $1000 I don't even want to think about how much one of those would cost. Let alone 4 of them for a quad channel kit.
2981) Message boards : Number crunching : HTPC, which hardware? (Message 1501362)
Posted 8 Apr 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I starting doing this in about 2000 after the All-In-Wonder Radeon came out. It took a few more years for an HD version to come out, but I was only using a 3GHz Pentium 4 at that time. So a large amount of processing resources are not needed to accomplish the task.

Your monitor will not require HDCP unless you plan to connect your satellite directly to it. Normally you would connect satellite > recording card & then video card > monitor.

HTPC to playback or watch input of your satellite doesn't need to be very high end. A bit more is needed when handling recording, but not much. Do you plan to transcode your videos or just burn recorded video files to disc? Many DVD/Blu-ray players can play several video file formats so you may not need to transcode video to DVD/Blu-ray format.
Transcoding is the most processor intensive task. You just need faster hardware if you want it to take less time, or if transcoding and watching video at the same time.. My old Pentium 4 would take several hours, sometimes overnight, to transcode recorded video for disc. I imagine modern hardware could do DVD/Blu-ray transcoding in real time or faster.

Have you started looking at "TV tuner cards" yet? I was a fan of the ATI ones, but they are no longer made. There are a number of add-in cards and USB based tuners for recording now. One of the other brands I had considered in the past was hauppauge.
2982) Message boards : Number crunching : WinXP EOS -> Motherboard is Win8.1 compatible? (Message 1501106)
Posted 7 Apr 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
microsoft.com/upgrade-to-windows-8
I have let run the WinVista/XP tool.

In latest (v1.3) BIOS of my ASRock G41M-GS motherboard & Intel Core2 Duo E7600 CPU:
No- Execute Memory Protection [enabled/disabled] (If disabled force the XD feature flag to always return 0.)


No- Execute Memory Protection [disabled]
- the tool say: no NX support (negative result/info).

No- Execute Memory Protection [enabled]
- the tool say: NX support (no negative result/info).

The tool say, "Secure Boot" not possible. (UEFI BIOS needed - just with newer motherboards)
Is this a feature which I should use nowadays?
New motherboard, CPU, RAM needed then ..

Thanks.

I do not use UEFI "Secure Boot" on any of my systems. I don't currently see a need for it. Maybe it will be a requirement for Windows 9 or whatever the next full version of Windows might be.
2983) Message boards : Number crunching : WinXP EOS -> Motherboard is Win8.1 compatible? (Message 1501030)
Posted 7 Apr 2014 by Profile HAL9000
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Edit: Sorry, I meant E7400


FYI: the Core 2 Duo E7400 also has NX/XD: http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Core_2/Intel-Core%202%20Duo%20E7400%20AT80571PH0723M%20-%20AT80571PH0723ML%20(BX80571E7400).html

Intel implemented NX bit support in the later generation Pentium 4. So any Intel Core processor will have support. However not all motherboards had this feature as standard. I have some older Core 2 systems that do have have the function to enable it in the BIOS. Even with their latest BIOS being released in 2009.

These processor features are also required for Windows 8.1.
CX16      	*	Supports CMPXCHG16B instruction
LAHF-SAHF 	*	Supports LAHF/SAHF instructions in 64-bit mode
PREFETCHW 	*	Supports PREFETCHW instruction

They can be checked with Microsoft Coreinfo tool. Using coreinfo -f from the command line.
2984) Message boards : Number crunching : I'm falling, I bought a parachute. From 100% AP, to 100% MB. (Message 1500561)
Posted 6 Apr 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I think for the sake of the sanity of the participants on the board (that all knows what we're talking about) it would be better if you have your own thread for the stock test :-) Go for it James, that test should be interesting indeed.

Ok then, I will start my own thread. That way folks wont get confused of who is doing what.

I am going to torture myself and do MB and AP on the CPU, Plus run MB on my GTS-250. I want to see if there is any RAC advantage to run without op apps. But I might try running just MB straight up after I see what happens.

The hard part will be getting an average RAC for this machine. The stats graph looks like mountains and valleys. You can definatley see when we run out of AP work. I just might take the high and low and do the average.

So a few more days untill I clear my cache, And then I will open my own thread.

Sten, Thanks for doing this test. You have inspired me to do my own.
I still say you will level out at 8,000.

I pull the numbers from statistics_setiathome.berkeley.edu.xml using a .bat and average them to get my average RAC. So it spits out "Host: 5837483 Average: 8030 for 58 days"
2985) Message boards : Number crunching : WinXP EOS -> it's really unsafe after April 08, 2014? (Message 1500557)
Posted 6 Apr 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
If your PC is on 24/7 with a router then you are pretty well protected from inbound attacks. Someone could find an exploit in your router, but do you replace your router just because the maker stops releasing new firmware for it?

If there was a big exploit that could be used to cripple XP machines there is no good reason why someone would wait until after the 8th to attack it. Microsoft often takes weeks, months, or never bothers to patch something once it has been publicly known. Companies that are still using embedded XP have service contracts to have their OS's patched anyway.

As far as getting bad things from the web. Your browser is your first line of defense. If something gets to your machine then they used an exploit in the browser or your settings allowed it in.

I'm not sure why you are not getting any updates. The machine we use in the lab at work to copy CD/DVD's is running XP & gets them regularly. I have it setup to prompt when there are updates. So I can uncheck the microsoft malicious software thing.

The only safe computer is one that isn't connected to power.
Also XP has a declining market share. So that makes it a less desirable target all of the time.
2986) Message boards : Number crunching : Questions about iGPU and GPU card use (Message 1500284)
Posted 5 Apr 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
On 16 April, my new build will commence to replace the dead i7/930 (Intel i7/4770K, AsRock Extreme4, Win7 ultimate(64-bit), 4 x 2GB Corsair Vengence ram, 1 x EVGA GTX660SC @ 2GB, 2 x Samsung 840Pro 128GB SSD, 1 x WD 250GB HDD, 1 x UltraX4 1200 watt PSU, BOINC 7.3.15(x64), Lunatics 0.41). The GPU will be processing 2 x AP OpenCL, or 2 x MB, or 1 x AP & 1 x MB depending on availability. I will be adding another GPU as soon as possible.

I've read most of the posts on incorporating the IGPU into OpenCL processing along with GPUs, but what I've not seen are experiences concerning what happens when games or DVDs are being used. I normally have suspended GPU processing when doing either of them to prevent stuttering, etc., and there have been times when my bowser has froze because of GPU processing. My questions are -- Wouldn't it be better to use the IGPU exclusively as the monitor, ignoring it in BOINC, so that the AP/OpenCL processing will not be interrupted during those times that games/DVDs are being used?

On my i5-4670K HTPC I have the HD5750 connected to the TV via HDMI & not running any tasks. Then I have 3 CPU + the Intel GPU running. No monitor on the Intel GPU. Sometimes when watching youtube, or videos using VLC, I have to pause all processing. As there is stuttering or the video pauses for several seconds while the audio continues on.
I am starting to think the memory bandwidth is getting maxed out or something of that nature.
2987) Message boards : Number crunching : Questions about iGPU and GPU card use (Message 1499714)
Posted 4 Apr 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thanks for the reply,
On both of my i5-4670K machines I am using the Intel graphics for crunching. Initially I didn't plan on even enabling the built in GPU but then saw how efficient they were.
On my gaming machine I run 4 CPU + the Intel GPU. Then on my HTPC I run 3 CPU + Intel GPU. I free up a CPU on that system because of the various thing I do slow down SETI if I run 4+1. For both system I use the PCIe card for the display.

Are the Intel GPU's you mentioned the integrated ones, or plug-in cards?
What plug-in GPU cards are in your boxes?
No dummy plugs are needed on the Intel connectors.

What OS are you using?
Did you need to do anything special for the system to recognize both GPU's?
It is also only doing MB instead of MB+AP like my gaming box.

I am doing both MP and AP workunits on all 4 of my boxes.
Thanks, Ron

They are the integrated GPU's. Intel has not made an add-in card in quite a long time IIRC.
For the add-in cards I have a Radeon HD6870 & HD5750 at the moment. Both are running Windows 7 x64 like your machines. You can get the full machine specs from the links I put in the previous post.
Also if you need help on adding the Intel displays for BOINC to detect them. Try this quick write up I did with images.
http://www.hal6000.com/seti/manual_display_detect.htm
2988) Message boards : Number crunching : Questions about iGPU and GPU card use (Message 1499415)
Posted 3 Apr 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
On both of my i5-4670K machines I am using the Intel graphics for crunching. Initially I didn't plan on even enabling the built in GPU but then saw how efficient they were.
On my gaming machine I run 4 CPU + the Intel GPU. Then on my HTPC I run 3 CPU + Intel GPU. I free up a CPU on that system because of the various thing I do slow down SETI if I run 4+1. It is also only doing MB instead of MB+AP like my gaming box.
For both system I use the PCIe card for the display. No dummy plugs are needed on the Intel connectors.
2989) Message boards : Number crunching : Low-power Power .... New Arm SOCs (Message 1498316)
Posted 1 Apr 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
New, cheaper, 64-bit MinnowBoards coming out from Intel too. Including GPUs on die. Whether they'll be any use for s@h, I don't know...

I wonder if they will update the Galileo as well. You can get one of those for ~$50 right now.
2990) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (87) Server Problems? (Message 1497963)
Posted 31 Mar 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
According to the graphs, Results received in the last hour remain fairly steady, Awaiting validation is fairly steady, yet in my account the Pending validation continues to climb, significantly.

Grant, with your latest upgrade it's only to be expected that your pendings will go up (take a look at the pendings of my 2 main rigs). ;-)

I was expecting it, I'm just surprised they've gone up even more. They used to be around 500 or so, then it settled down around 750, now it's up to 830.

Since the change to v7 I tend to have more valid than pending across my 30 machines.
2991) Message boards : Number crunching : 780ti not faster than a GTX 580 (Message 1497959)
Posted 31 Mar 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
It depends on what they are doing to the GPU. If the kind of processing they are doing is saturating another resource then a faster GPU won't help that kind of processing.
2992) Message boards : Number crunching : AMD GPU need DVI dummy plug with Win8.1? (Message 1497356)
Posted 30 Mar 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I wouldn't expect Windows 8.x to respond much differently than Windows 7.
Using Windows 7 & Cat 13.12 I do not require dummy plug to use my HD6870 when only the Intel GPU is connected to a monitor. I normally run the opposite configuration but just switch it around to test. Did manual detect & then "Try to connect anyway on: VGA".

Also the resisters for a dummy plug should be 75ohm but anything from 68-100 is acceptable. The ones shown in that link are actually 47ohm. 68ohm would be blue gray black
2993) Message boards : Number crunching : 120mm fans with ~ 59CFM / 100m3/h (installed) (Message 1496747)
Posted 28 Mar 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have taken a chance on NZXT recently. Using their Source 220 case & some of these.
http://www.nzxt.com/product/detail/94-fz-120mm-non-led-case-fan.html
I added one in my NZXT case & one in my HTPC. Which are both my i5-4670K systems.

Even if there was not grill or filer on either side of the fans. Once installed in a case I imagine they total CFM would be still be less than free air tests. However, Depending on the case design the reductions may not be all that great.
2994) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (87) Server Problems? (Message 1496439)
Posted 28 Mar 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Looks like the new AP tasks are from some 2008 tapes. I wonder if these are tapes that had to much noise before, but now are able to be split with the work they did to the splitter code.
2995) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (87) Server Problems? (Message 1496212)
Posted 27 Mar 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hmmm... I was to busy at work to check if I has a bunch of pent up transfers, but all of my systems are clear on transfers and have their full set of tasks.
2996) Message boards : Number crunching : If you were to start from scratch with a new build... (Message 1496063)
Posted 27 Mar 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
In my test lab I use ghost images of various OS. Testing with various versions of Windows I didn't find any advantage when using one version over another. Normally I just run Windows 7 x64 on them when the machines are not needed for anything else.

Are you able to test GPU apps with those ghost images? My GPU experience - limited to NVidia cards - suggested that XP is more efficient, because of the simpler driver model.

Other than an old 8500 GT I don't have any other GPU hardware to test.
2997) Message boards : Number crunching : If you were to start from scratch with a new build... (Message 1496038)
Posted 27 Mar 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
In my test lab I use ghost images of various OS. Testing with various versions of Windows I didn't find any advantage when using one version over another. Normally I just run Windows 7 x64 on them when the machines are not needed for anything else.
2998) Message boards : Number crunching : I'm falling, I bought a parachute. From 100% AP, to 100% MB. (Message 1495736)
Posted 26 Mar 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
You can add my ATI host now that it's out of APs again. It was still going up from the last time it ran outta APs. As you can see it had dropped from around 30k to 7k and was still headed down last time. 30/4.3= ~7. That's about what my other ATI cards produce. Over FOUR TIMES LESS CREDIT running ATI MB verses ATI AP.

Yes, I'm leaning at MB giving only 25% of what AP gives on most ATI cards. Since I do not care at all about my RAC, I will continue this, until it levels out. That it should be bad I knew, but not this bad. It seems as if you were totally right about this. Not that I ever really doubted you.

I've run this test a few times. I have much Experience in the matter. At least with Windows, and now Linux, you can gain a few token ATI credits when the APs run out. With my Mac however it's over, nada, zip, nothing for your ATI card when the APs run out...Freefall...

Well, I'll continue, partly because I'm interested in where my particular setup levels out, and partly because I may be crazy :-)

What is this may of which you speak? I'm pretty sure we all know you are a pecan.
2999) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (87) Server Problems? (Message 1495153)
Posted 25 Mar 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
why the huge jump in the cricket graph with no AP being sent out??

The answer is in the post just before yours. Looks like a shorty storm. Hope you have your wellies on.

It's just spiked up to 683.09 Mbits/sec

Whatever it is, it's more than shorties - and it isn't AP either. Other speculations would be making old data available to other researchers at other universities, or a local copy of Eric's speech video going viral.....

The jump from 100Mb to 300Mb could have been from shorties, but after looking at the haveland stats for the turn around rate it appears perhaps not.
3000) Message boards : Number crunching : I'm falling, I bought a parachute. From 100% AP, to 100% MB. (Message 1495076)
Posted 25 Mar 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
If my observations have shown me anything I expect the RAC to drop below the average daily credit amount and then slowly come back up to level out. So bottoming out around 6500-7500 before coming back up to over 8000 would not be surprising to me.
3001) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (87) Server Problems? (Message 1495073)
Posted 25 Mar 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
why the huge jump in the cricket graph with no AP being sent out??

The answer is in the post just before yours. Looks like a shorty storm. Hope you have your wellies on.
3002) Message boards : Number crunching : EVGA 780 6GB! (Message 1494469)
Posted 24 Mar 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
It seems that GPU cards are starting to come out at an ever increasing rate. Is it the gamers who need more power faster or Just a marketing gimmic?
Im not complaining, that means the high end cards now we be cheaper when I need to upgrade.

4K UHD displays are starting to make their way to market. Which I guess means they need to crank up the power to give the same frame rates with 4 times the pixels.
Short term they are probably cranking things up, but then will settle back down as time goes on.
3003) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (87) Server Problems? (Message 1492886)
Posted 21 Mar 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Well AP splitting is almost finished so get ready for a steady flow of MB work soon.

Cheers.

Wow. Over 10 hours later and no one is wailing over the APs running out.

Well if we could burn thought the MB faster then more AP would get loaded quicker, yes?
3004) Message boards : Number crunching : Mix and match GPU? (Message 1491594)
Posted 20 Mar 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
You could run each car in a separate BOINC instance. Then you would have precise control over the configuration of each card.
Unless your goal is to have a single machine with high RAC. Then this would not be your desired option.
3005) Message boards : Number crunching : How do my AP times look?? (Message 1491517)
Posted 19 Mar 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Will do.....


Thanks for looking....

No, no, no... You don't need to do any of that. No need in going faster and catch up to me.
...wait no our team is about to be passed in 7 days! Full speed ahead!!!

My 6870 didn't seem to do much better when running 2 vs 1, but that was back on AP v5.05.
3006) Message boards : Number crunching : Config Question (Message 1491510)
Posted 19 Mar 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
When did you add the setting? If only a short time ago, do know that it won't magically show 365 days of statistics in the Statistics tab, it will only now go do that (as where do you think it should've gotten the information from about past contacts? It hasn't saved that). So you'll have to wait the 30+ days that it normally took, and in that time you need regular contacts with the scheduler.

You did allow BOINC to read the cc_config.xml file after adding it in the data directory, yes? Changing or adding the value to cc_config.xml may require a BOINC restart.


Ah, I assumed the data was saved, but not displayed. I shall wait and see what transpires over time ;-)

thanks for the info

P.

Sadly it truncates the data by default, but at least we have an option to change it. The graphs are generated from your statistics_PROJECT.xml file. Which would be statistics_setiathome.berkeley.edu.xml in our case. If you did not restart BOINC or preform a read config file you will need to do that also. As the cc_config is only read at start-up or when BOINC is manually told to check it.
3007) Message boards : Number crunching : Has Anyone Seen An RAC Decline Since Early December? (Message 1490681)
Posted 18 Mar 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
My i7 CPU had an RAC decline beginning in early December and another CPU in late December and the other 2 had declines after January 1. Each shows host drops so it is not 1 computer. Before December my approximate RAC was about 67K and now it it about 62K or a drop of 5K with no sign of recovery. Has anyone else seen similar behavior?

Looking at one of my machines that only runs MB work:


It looks more like there was a rise in November and things are pretty consistently bounding around at the moment. Having large amount of VLAR or VHAR tasks will also tend to effect the RAC.
3008) Message boards : Number crunching : Really old nVidia EOL! (Message 1489232)
Posted 15 Mar 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I am still running a 306.xx driver on my 8500 GT. No real reason to update it to be honest, but I do have a bit over a year to decide if I want the newest possible driver.
3009) Message boards : Number crunching : I'm falling, I bought a parachute. From 100% AP, to 100% MB. (Message 1488801)
Posted 14 Mar 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
It'd a bit funny how slow it is dropping. As I have seen a drops of 6-12k over a shorter period when nothing seems to have changed.
3010) Message boards : Number crunching : Android crunching going mainstream. (Message 1488699)
Posted 14 Mar 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
My phone just finished a task and sure enough, it has an extra triplet and got marked inconclusive.

My next one is at 100% now, so it should finish and report in the next few minutes. We'll see what happens with it.

[edit]
The next one has finished and uploaded, but its wingmate hasn't yet.

I saw a few of those as well, but I did not see enough to keep track of which app had them. However I currently have one from the armv6-vfp app like yours.
3011) Message boards : Number crunching : Energy Efficiency of Arm Based sysetms over x86 or GPU based systems (Message 1488108)
Posted 12 Mar 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
For giggles I loaded the app on my Galaxy Note 3. After a few days I decided to crank up the cpus and let it run all of them at once. Obviously the phone got hot, but on top of that the CPU's all ended up throttling down to around 1ghz.

I had to turn it back down to 1 WU at a time for the CPU clock to go back up.

How do you know how fast the CPU is running? It should be the same on my Note 2 as on your 3. I have always run 2 at a time since I started running Beta on it last fall, and I went with a limit of 2 mainly to avoid heat.

They make CPUz for Android now.
3012) Message boards : Number crunching : Energy Efficiency of Arm Based sysetms over x86 or GPU based systems (Message 1487668)
Posted 12 Mar 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Something else to consider when looking at this is the Thermal envelop of the device.

For giggles I loaded the app on my Galaxy Note 3. After a few days I decided to crank up the cpus and let it run all of them at once. Obviously the phone got hot, but on top of that the CPU's all ended up throttling down to around 1ghz.

I had to turn it back down to 1 WU at a time for the CPU clock to go back up.

I really want them to get this working on devices without batteries. Let me load it on my OUYA and let it chug away on these all day long. It isn't doing anything else so why not.

I was a bit worried about this as I have a rubberized case for my phone & thought it might build up more heat. However it looks like as high as it got was 35C. Which didn't seems to effect what it was doing.
I was not seeing max clock speeds, but figure it was just due to a similar issue seen on linux systems. I will have to see about setting <no_priority_change>1</no_priority_change> on my phone.
3013) Message boards : Number crunching : Energy Efficiency of Arm Based sysetms over x86 or GPU based systems (Message 1487665)
Posted 12 Mar 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Even at 5w that is only about 44KW/h a year. Doing 12-16 tasks a day it seems like it would be highly efficient crunching.


Whoa! Boy was I wrong. My 12w GPU can do only 8...

I'll get me coat...

Nearly all of the task I received on my phone were VLAR's. I was basing 12-16 on the VLAR times. With normal AR tasks it may be faster, but I do not yet know.
3014) Message boards : Number crunching : Results/Finds page? (Message 1487662)
Posted 12 Mar 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
It would have been fun to see some "results" of what we're doing here. Absolutely.

We're trying to find ET's and I'm sure that if we find any we'll be the 1st to know. ;-)

Cheers.

If SETI@home follows the SETI guidelines for announcing a confirmed signal we would among the last to know IIRC.
3015) Message boards : Number crunching : Energy Efficiency of Arm Based sysetms over x86 or GPU based systems (Message 1487190)
Posted 10 Mar 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I just discovered that my Galaxy S4 has a power usage rating on the inside cover under the battery 3.8v 1300mA or 4.94w. Currently I am assuming the rating is the max device consumption. Much like the rating labels other electrical equipment. So full CPU load with screen at full brightness. While crunching I am able to turn the screen off so actual power consumption should be less but more than 2.5w I expect.
Even at 5w that is only about 44KW/h a year. Doing 12-16 tasks a day it seems like it would be highly efficient crunching.
3016) Message boards : Number crunching : I'm falling, I bought a parachute. From 100% AP, to 100% MB. (Message 1486281)
Posted 8 Mar 2014 by Profile HAL9000
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NV scores about 40-50%, that´s incredible (i know you tell the true and the graph crearely shows that) and give another reason why they need to fix creditscrew. I review my guess to 12000 feets (with MB he could release some cores to crunch too).

Some of the difference between 2::1 for NV, and 4::1 for ATI, is that with ATI you're crunching MB with an OpenCL application, but with NV you're using a CUDA application.

That probably says a lot about the efficiency of OpenCL as a platform.

Do you have any links demonstrating CUDA superiority in any field other than SETI? Seems to me if CUDA was that much more efficient, nVidia would be ranting about it everywhere. As far as I know, SETI is the only area where CUDA has such an advantage. Too bad we can't have AMD code an OpenCL SETI MB App the way nVidia coded the first CUDA SETI MB App. I have a feeling the AMD coded App would be much more efficient than the current AMD MB App.

IIRC NVIDIA basically wrote the original CUDA app. So any tricks they knew to boost the efficiency were taken advantage of. Apparently ATI/AMD contributed by sending a card or two for development & pointing to their SDK.
3017) Message boards : Number crunching : Energy Efficiency of Arm Based sysetms over x86 or GPU based systems (Message 1486280)
Posted 8 Mar 2014 by Profile HAL9000
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The S4 has a Exynos 5 Octa 5410 CPU which is 4x Cortex-A15 + 4x A7 (big.LITTLE). Most devices won't have that kind of performance at the moment. I guess the computation would be done on the A15 cores as it is processing intensive.

The charging power is most likely to do with the cable. The charging standard is a mess at the moment however there is a way to increase current on some devices by shorting the 2 data wires on the phone side.

I custom made my charging cable they can all deliver 800ma when the 2 data pins are shorted on the connector even when I connect it to a USB2.0 port on my PC.

You can give that a try but no guarantee that it will work for your particular device.

My S4 is the Qualcomm Snapdragon 600 - 1.9GHz quad-core variant. There is also a 3rd variant with a Qualcomm Snapdragon 800 - 2.3GHz.
3018) Message boards : Number crunching : Energy Efficiency of Arm Based sysetms over x86 or GPU based systems (Message 1486279)
Posted 8 Mar 2014 by Profile HAL9000
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I have held off on running more on it until I can get another high power wall charger to use at work. As it is consumes enough power to run the battery down when just connected to a 500mA USB port.
I do have some 1 & 1.5A USB wall power sources, but my phone only sees them as standard 500mA USB ports. No chip in them to provide USB info I expect. So it will not switch to high power charging mode.

The USB cable apparently is important, I believe they have something special done to the data cables to enable a higher current.

Claggy

It would make sense to spec out wire slightly heavier. In not even thinking about that I have been using my old phone microusb cables, from '06-'07, for higher powered charging on my PC.
I will have to make an USB shunt and do some power tests at some point with my various cables.
3019) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (87) Server Problems? (Message 1486272)
Posted 8 Mar 2014 by Profile HAL9000
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Seems to be a lot of server crashes lately, I just have to wonder how well the COLO facility is looking after them.

Cheers.

From what I understand, the COLO provides, rack space, solid power, AC and a big fast pipe to the outside world. Plus someone who can reboot a server if it cannot be rebooted remotely.

It does not provide new hardware, that is the same as was in the lab and is nothing to do with the COLO

I am sure the guys at the COLO do not have direct access to login into the servers and do not monitor each one. That is the job of the owners, in this case SET@Home.

As I see it the problems are still 100% SETI hardware or software, COLO has no bearing on the current problems

Basic colo services I have come across are normally just:
$xx/mo per RU.
UPS & generator backed power.
Internet access at xxMb/s, given for the paid tier, or connection to users 3rd party provider, if allowed.
Staff to push buttons on request. x number of instances/hours a month free $xx per instance/hour after.

Then if you want monitoring of IPMI or baby sitting of your equipment beyond that the pricing tend to go up quite a lot.

All very similar in http://ist.berkeley.edu/files/DataCenterColocationSLA-20130521.pdf

I had tired to find that after my post but didn't remember the location. The services a colo offers seem fairly universal in my checking for personal and work use.

Everyone just needs to remember the colo doesn't come with 24/7 server admins. The same staff of, 3ish?, guys are still the one admining the boxen. Who require things like sleep, have other duties/responsibilities, & sometimes take their own personal time on weekends to fix things.

Personally I am impressed with how quickly they were able to find the time to get the AP server swapped out.
3020) Message boards : Number crunching : Energy Efficiency of Arm Based sysetms over x86 or GPU based systems (Message 1486263)
Posted 8 Mar 2014 by Profile HAL9000
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My Galaxy S4 was running VLAR's 4 at a time in 6-9 hours on the v7.21 apps.

I have held off on running more on it until I can get another high power wall charger to use at work. As it is consumes enough power to run the battery down when just connected to a 500mA USB port.
I do have some 1 & 1.5A USB wall power sources, but my phone only sees them as standard 500mA USB ports. No chip in them to provide USB info I expect. So it will not switch to high power charging mode.

As I mentioned recently, my Note 2 uses more than 500mA running just 2 at a time, and even a car cord can't keep the battery charged if it's running the GPS display.

Do you happen to know the rated output of the car charger, or do you have an issue like I do? Where the Samsung device will only pull 500mA unless there is an IC in the charger to tell it "I can provide more power".
I use an app BatteryBot. When I on plugged into a 500mA port I see "Charging(USB)" & using the provided charger or a high powered charge port from my PC I see "Charging(AC)". When using either of my 3 car chargers the phone indicates "Charging(USB)". Despite their rated outputs of 1.5-2A.

Considering the power consumption is >2.5w but <10w the devices do seem to have a significant PPW. I did notice that when running 2 or 4 tasks and using CPUz that the phone processors were not running at a constant speed. Fluctuating and normally running around 1280MHz instead of 1.9GHz. So there may need to be some tweaks to see the full power of these processors under Android.
3021) Message boards : Number crunching : Energy Efficiency of Arm Based sysetms over x86 or GPU based systems (Message 1486212)
Posted 8 Mar 2014 by Profile HAL9000
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My Galaxy S4 was running VLAR's 4 at a time in 6-9 hours on the v7.21 apps.

I have held off on running more on it until I can get another high power wall charger to use at work. As it is consumes enough power to run the battery down when just connected to a 500mA USB port.
I do have some 1 & 1.5A USB wall power sources, but my phone only sees them as standard 500mA USB ports. No chip in them to provide USB info I expect. So it will not switch to high power charging mode.
3022) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (87) Server Problems? (Message 1486210)
Posted 8 Mar 2014 by Profile HAL9000
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Seems to be a lot of server crashes lately, I just have to wonder how well the COLO facility is looking after them.

Cheers.

From what I understand, the COLO provides, rack space, solid power, AC and a big fast pipe to the outside world. Plus someone who can reboot a server if it cannot be rebooted remotely.

It does not provide new hardware, that is the same as was in the lab and is nothing to do with the COLO

I am sure the guys at the COLO do not have direct access to login into the servers and do not monitor each one. That is the job of the owners, in this case SET@Home.

As I see it the problems are still 100% SETI hardware or software, COLO has no bearing on the current problems

Basic colo services I have come across are normally just:
$xx/mo per RU.
UPS & generator backed power.
Internet access at xxMb/s, given for the paid tier, or connection to users 3rd party provider, if allowed.
Staff to push buttons on request. x number of instances/hours a month free $xx per instance/hour after.

Then if you want monitoring of IPMI or baby sitting of your equipment beyond that the pricing tend to go up quite a lot.
3023) Message boards : Number crunching : Observation of CreditNew Impact (4) (Message 1486205)
Posted 8 Mar 2014 by Profile HAL9000
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Not that I'm complaining, but does anyone think this is a bit weird?

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/workunit.php?wuid=1446543297

Seems like a lot of credit for a 100% blanked WU that ran in a couple seconds. Can I get more? :)

Welcome to creditnew!
3024) Message boards : Number crunching : I'm falling, I bought a parachute. From 100% AP, to 100% MB. (Message 1486204)
Posted 8 Mar 2014 by Profile HAL9000
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It's really not that difficult.

Is when we are talking about different things.

They are talking about average credits per second or seconds per credit for a given app.
I think it was Eric who has posted the project wide values of credit for MB7 and AP6. Showing how the values are normalizing.

Comparing the average daily RAC numbers from my 30 or so machines using data from the date when they were doing MB6 vs MB7 it ranges from 60-45% lower.
3025) Message boards : Number crunching : Energy Efficiency of Arm Based sysetms over x86 or GPU based systems (Message 1485469)
Posted 6 Mar 2014 by Profile HAL9000
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I am talking about a comparison between lets say a ARM based Qualcomm Snapdragon 800 to a typical Wintel platform.

The concept being, if I could get a ODroid-XU with a Quadcore ARM A15 CPU's and compare it to a Core i5. What would the numbers be like when calculating performance with power efficiency.

There is no question which is actually faster per work unit. But i am really after efficieny for how much power per WU. If the ODROID-XU could Complete 4 WU in 10 hours but used 1/10th the power of a compareable Intel platform to do the same work.

I am asking because I noticed my old Galaxy Note 1 (a snapdragon S3) is running around 1 WU every 10 hours give or take a little bit. That just amazes me. I was expecting it to take longer actually. I know it isn't using much power to do that work to

This

Recently I have been wanting to compare the performance per watt of my Galaxy S4. However being my phone and only running when plugged in I haven't been able to get a good idea of its processing ability.
Synthetic benchmarks could give an idea, but not a direct comparison for SETI@home use.

When I last did a PPW comparison of my home machines my old 1.5GHz Pentium M notebook was the best performer. I haven't generated enough data to give a value for my i5-4670 systems yet tho.
3026) Message boards : Number crunching : Energy Efficiency of Arm Based sysetms over x86 or GPU based systems (Message 1485350)
Posted 6 Mar 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
What kind of platforms do you want to compare? Desktop to desktop, mobile to desktop, or mobile to mobile?
3027) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (87) Server Problems? (Message 1485184)
Posted 6 Mar 2014 by Profile HAL9000
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Since I upgraded my HTPC to as i5-4670K I have had it only doing MB on it's CPU & GPU. I'm waiting for it to level out so I can see the difference between it and my gaming machine which is running the same setup but is allowed AP work. So far I saw my gaming machine around 9k & my HTPC is just around 3K.

Now that the AP server has been replaced I should get a good grasp in the next few weeks how much extra the AP gives.

The next few weeks may not be representive of "normal" operations, because we have a small backlog of files for AP splitting. Thus, the next few weeks should see more AP tasks available than a typical 2 week period. You can probably adjust for that when you assess results.

I've picked a few freshly split AP tasks, but that creation rate just doesn't seem to want to get up and go.

The machines have only been going a few weeks and have yet to level off in anyway. So in a few weeks I can starts to track their numbers more accurately. Depending on how the servers are feeling anyway.
A long term evaluation isn't really a problem for me either way.
3028) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (87) Server Problems? (Message 1485169)
Posted 6 Mar 2014 by Profile HAL9000
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Too late. Now I don't want any APs. I've just bought myself a parachute, and will crunch MB only, until I reach the ground :-)

Since I upgraded my HTPC to as i5-4670K I have had it only doing MB on it's CPU & GPU. I'm waiting for it to level out so I can see the difference between it and my gaming machine which is running the same setup but is allowed AP work. So far I saw my gaming machine around 9k & my HTPC is just around 3K.

Now that the AP server has been replaced I should get a good grasp in the next few weeks how much extra the AP gives.
3029) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (87) Server Problems? (Message 1484572)
Posted 4 Mar 2014 by Profile HAL9000
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Only 60 AP's left to crunch, less than one day worth of crunching. After that it will be all MB. I expect my RAC to drop to 1/3 of what it is now, since MB pays at a level which is ridicoulous.

All say Heil to CreditNew.

At least the negative credit payout was fixed.
3030) Message boards : Number crunching : Intel GPU app hosts with failures - please post here (Message 1483348)
Posted 1 Mar 2014 by Profile HAL9000
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I now have 8 valid, 13 inconclusive and 4 invalid from the INTEL GPU. Is it worth crunching the remaining WUs (over 50) allocated to this GPU or should I just abort them?

The problem will eventually go away for this host as last week I put a new NVIDEA GPU in it alongside the INTEL GPU and made it an astropulse only (for SETI) machine. Thus it is not asking for new wus, just crunching those it already has. The INTEL GPU will then go back to crunching collatz until either DELL release an Einstein compatible driver or an astropulse app for INTEL GPU becomes available.

If were to install the a driver with the required OpenCL support then it certainly would be. Otherwise it is doing you no good here. It was mentioned that there was a version of the newer Intel driver that Einstein may not like. So you may need to find out from them which one they prefer if you want to use the Intel GPU there as well.

He mentioned Dell. Lots of people have said that Dell supplied them with an OpenCL 1.1 OEM driver, haven't provided an OEM 1.2 driver, and have locked it in some way so that the Intel drivers won't install.

The strange thing is that the Dell i5 HD 4600 I bought to test a BOINC installation problem came with precisely the right drivers to run the Einstein app (which is fussier than we are) right out of the box. So I can't reproduce whatever the problem is and take it back to Dell.


Richard is correct, dell appear to have an OEM1.2 driver for their 4600 series processors but not for the 2500 series. I can only assume that this is a ploy to force people to buy their more expensive systems. If anyone knows how to unlock a dell system so that it will download normal intel drivers, please post it as I and many others would like to know and it may solve many of the problems in this thread. Possibly changing bios settings?

Oh sorry I didn't quite understand the locked issue.
We recently got a few dozen Dell Optiplex 7010 systems at work. Which looks to be a similar configuration to your systems. Same CPU w/ built in graphics, RAM, & OS at least. However, No add in GPU for them. They are setup on our corporate domain so I have less control than my lab test machines but I did update the them with the latest driver packages from Intel.
The Dell packages I download are just a extraction package. They extract to a path such as "C:\Dell\Drivers\1PRMJ" and then run the Intel setup.exe. Which is digitally signed by Intel. So it doesn't look like Dell did anything jiggery pokery to it.
Dell may have enabled some of the built in OS features that can prevent some types of drivers to be installed. These should be able to be disabled if you wish. Probably either in the Local Security Policy or Group Policy settings.
3031) Message boards : Number crunching : Arecibo telescope closed by earthquake - no new data for a while (Message 1483334)
Posted 1 Mar 2014 by Profile HAL9000
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This is what we processed during February (again, only tapes I've seen on my own machines).

Pale green is where we've processed at least one more tape from a date we've seen before: bright green are completely new recording dates. We haven't processed any new tapes earlier than March 2013 this month.


Do you parse job_log_setiathome.berkeley.edu.txt for this or just the stdoutdae.txt?
3032) Message boards : Number crunching : Intel GPU app hosts with failures - please post here (Message 1483156)
Posted 1 Mar 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I now have 8 valid, 13 inconclusive and 4 invalid from the INTEL GPU. Is it worth crunching the remaining WUs (over 50) allocated to this GPU or should I just abort them?

The problem will eventually go away for this host as last week I put a new NVIDEA GPU in it alongside the INTEL GPU and made it an astropulse only (for SETI) machine. Thus it is not asking for new wus, just crunching those it already has. The INTEL GPU will then go back to crunching collatz until either DELL release an Einstein compatible driver or an astropulse app for INTEL GPU becomes available.

If were to install the a driver with the required OpenCL support then it certainly would be. Otherwise it is doing you no good here. It was mentioned that there was a version of the newer Intel driver that Einstein may not like. So you may need to find out from them which one they prefer if you want to use the Intel GPU there as well.
3033) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (87) Server Problems? (Message 1483120)
Posted 1 Mar 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
James,

Thanks for the reply.

I shut Boinc down and restarted, now all is good. And downloads are now successful.

No idea on how the machine got its eyes crossed.

The term "go figure" comes to mind.

Have a great weekend!

Cheers!

Robert
When we have an server issue. Like the recent upload server problems. This does seem to trigger a memory leak in BOINC and then can lead to weird issues.
Often when I see issues on my machines boinc.exe is using more than 50mb of memory. Sometimes it is a client that doesn't want to do transfers anymore, or I just can no longer connect remotely to the client. So I just give the machine a reboot and then it goes back to being it's normal happy self.
3034) Message boards : Number crunching : Need serious HELP!! (Message 1483103)
Posted 1 Mar 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
yup but you know how it is a good rep takes ages to build and is destroyed in seconds

Yeah I swore off Gigabyte in '99 or '00 and didn't touch them until '09ish.
3035) Message boards : Number crunching : Need serious HELP!! (Message 1483100)
Posted 1 Mar 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Actually ASRock is owned by ASUS and my 2500K has been sitting in an ASRock Z68 Extreme4 quite well over the last 4yrs with both dual and triple GPU setups.

Gigabyte is a totally different story here as I had nothing but quality issues with them several years back and I will not go back there.

Cheers.


I can't stand Gigabyte either, same problems.

The Intel HD4600 seem to be about the same as a GT630 in a comparison of Intel GPU's. I was planning on not putting in a PCIe card for my HTPC, but there is currently some odd scaling issue with the Intel HDMI output and my TV.

I had always used Abit or Asus boards. When I went to make my Core 2 system, many moons ago, I had massive issues with Asus. So I gave Gigabyte a go. Based on reviews of their then current products. I have to say their quality has improved greatly over what it once was. Currently my two main systems are using their GA-Z87X-D3H.

YMMV
3036) Message boards : Number crunching : No CPU work - only GPU (Message 1483028)
Posted 1 Mar 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
In your event log do your request looks like this:
SETI@home Requesting new tasks for NVIDIA
or like this:
SETI@home Requesting new tasks for CPU and NVIDIA

You can check your SETI@home preferences to make sure you have CPU work enabled.

EDIT: Looking at your errors You got 49 CPU tasks on the 27th but they ended in error.
3037) Message boards : Number crunching : Intel GPU app hosts with failures - please post here (Message 1482954)
Posted 28 Feb 2014 by Profile HAL9000
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Just got my first Intel GPU invalid

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/workunit.php?wuid=1427904058

Its early days, but looking through my results lists I seem to have 2 valids, 8 inconclusives and 1 invalid from the Intel GPU. The Intel GPU has been happily crunching Collatz for the last 5 months as there was nothing else for it to do. Looks like it may not like SETI.

Looks like you are getting a lot of autocorrs, and sometimes a false overflow on autocorrs. That's exactly the sort of problem that Raistmer was looking for when he started this thread. He may want to come and ask more questions about your setup.

Might this be the issue?
Driver version:				 9.17.10.3040
Version:					 OpenCL 1.1 

Especially since I asked at Seti Beta for the app to be sent to hosts with OpenCL 1.2 drivers only, seems no one listened.

Claggy

Perhps there is an issue with version detection similar to the ATI driver detection Eric was having.

There does seem to be a disconnect between the client detecting this:
2/26/2014 7:44:59 AM		OpenCL: Intel GPU 0: Intel(R) HD Graphics 4600
(driver version 10.18.10.3412, device version OpenCL 1.2, 1496MB, 1496MB available, 32 GFLOPS peak)
Then telling the server this:
INTEL Intel(R) HD Graphics 4600 (1496MB) OpenCL: 1.02
3038) Message boards : Number crunching : Need serious HELP!! (Message 1482906)
Posted 28 Feb 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Got up this morning and noticed that my main cruncher (i7/950) had shut down sometime after 02:00 this morning with a red led lit on the mobo that is not normally on. I reseated everything including new thermal paste, powered up and the red led came on immediately, no beeps, nothing. Has the mobo has gone to the great beyond? Since my other machine (i7/930) has the same basic configuration, I will try to swap everything over to it. Either way, I am apologizing to my wing persons up front for which ever machine ends up being down, it will be at least a month before it can be replaced/upgraded.

Is the red LED between the CPU and the chipset? If so it sounds like it is one of these two:
• The CPU LED (Figure 6, A) indicates an elevated temperature on the processor that could affect performance.
• The VR LED (Figure 6, B) indicates an elevated temperature in the processor
voltage regulator circuit that could affect performance.


Seems like you may now have extra parts for the other system.
3039) Message boards : Number crunching : Intel GPU app hosts with failures - please post here (Message 1482783)
Posted 28 Feb 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Just got my first Intel GPU invalid

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/workunit.php?wuid=1427904058

Its early days, but looking through my results lists I seem to have 2 valids, 8 inconclusives and 1 invalid from the Intel GPU. The Intel GPU has been happily crunching Collatz for the last 5 months as there was nothing else for it to do. Looks like it may not like SETI.

Looks like you are getting a lot of autocorrs, and sometimes a false overflow on autocorrs. That's exactly the sort of problem that Raistmer was looking for when he started this thread. He may want to come and ask more questions about your setup.

Might this be the issue?
Driver version:				 9.17.10.3040
Version:					 OpenCL 1.1 
3040) Message boards : Number crunching : Intel GPU app hosts with failures - please post here (Message 1482536)
Posted 27 Feb 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
2/27/2014 3:14:21 PM | | CUDA: NVIDIA GPU 0: GeForce GTX 670 (driver version 331.65, CUDA version 6.0, compute capability 3.0, 2048MB, 1948MB available, 2915 GFLOPS peak)
2/27/2014 3:14:21 PM | | OpenCL: NVIDIA GPU 0: GeForce GTX 670 (driver version 331.65, device version OpenCL 1.1 CUDA, 2048MB, 1948MB available, 2915 GFLOPS peak)
2/27/2014 3:14:21 PM | | OpenCL CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4770K CPU @ 3.50GHz (OpenCL driver vendor: Intel(R) Corporation, driver version 1.2, device version OpenCL 1.2 (Build 66956))

Boinc doesn't detect your Intel GPU, only your GTX670.

To get Boinc to detect your Intel GPU either connect a monitor to it, a dummy plug, or just extend the desktop onto the Intel GPU.

That is right click on the desktop, choose 'screen resolution', go 'detect', chose the display that is on your Intel GPU, you'll have to force it detect the GPU by 'try and connect anyway on: VGA', then on 'multiple displays', chose 'extend these displays'

Claggy

With my i5-4670K machines I found a dummy plug on the VGA connector was not sufficient & have to use the "extend these displays" option.
3041) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (87) Server Problems? (Message 1482501)
Posted 27 Feb 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Why do the servers hate me? Up now working but no WU for me.

It looks like my machines got to all of the work first. Sorry about that.
3042) Message boards : Number crunching : Linux vs Windows Performance (Message 1482311)
Posted 27 Feb 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I did notice this myself.
There may be something in this older thread that could be of assistance. How much slower is Ubuntu?
3043) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (87) Server Problems? (Message 1482288)
Posted 27 Feb 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I wonder if the 1-2 weeks until a server swap out is
due to manpower/budget restraints?

Sounds more like 1-2 weeks for the hardware to arrive, and then get an OS installed, get everything configured, and then load the last back-up of the database. Everything after the hardware arrives and gets installed is a day or two. It's just the sitting around, twiddling of thumbs waiting for a box to arrive.

I was thinking that they would have to schedule time with the colo management for the hardware swap. With their schedules an open slot would have to line up with their free time.

I'm just glad they had the time to post a notice so we know what is occurring.
3044) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (87) Server Problems? (Message 1482144)
Posted 27 Feb 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
[joking] Oh noes... 1-2 weeks of no AP? What ever shall everyone do??? [/joking]

I've still got about 5 days left of my 10-day cache of them. Oh well. I'll run idle when I run out. I'm sure my CPU would like a break for a little while anyway.

And no.. I'm not doing a backup project.. and I'm not doing MB. Much like people choose this project over others because of what it does and so forth.. I like AP because of what it is searching for. I've been AP-only on my main cruncher since _v5 came out (and then we did a year or two of _v505, and now _v6).

Maybe it will give you some time to blow the dust bunnies out.
3045) Message boards : Number crunching : Observation of CreditNew Impact (4) (Message 1482122)
Posted 26 Feb 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Don´t forget Murphy´s law...

"Nothing is so bad that it can not get worse"

Murphy's law is more famously "Anything that can go wrong, will go wrong." & I would say it may be a good description of creditnew.
3046) Message boards : Number crunching : Arecibo telescope closed by earthquake - no new data for a while (Message 1482059)
Posted 26 Feb 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Quoting - as in the opening post of this thread - Bernd Machenschalk of Einstein:

My last info about Arecibo is ... that they expect to be fully operational again in mid March.

Good news. I wonder if we should pay attention to the data that starts coming in after they are up and running again. But if something was a bit out of calibration I expect whomever is paying for the time we are piggy backing on would notice it first.
3047) Message boards : Number crunching : Android crunching going mainstream. (Message 1481921)
Posted 26 Feb 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Now I have to ask myself a philosophical question: do I add my phone to Seti Main, or just keep it on Beta? I put it on Einstein, but just so it would have something to do after it got limited on the number of errors on 7.25 and 7.26.

Well, I still have at least a couple more days to decide. That's how long it will take to finish its first pair of 7.27s.

7.21 worked like a charm for me at Beta, so it should be fine here.

Figured I might as run it to generate some APR numbers. Rather impressed with how fast the Galaxy S4 is.
3048) Message boards : Number crunching : Problem with one GPU SETI@home v7 v7.03 (opencl_ati5_cat132) work unit (Message 1481784)
Posted 26 Feb 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Had you tried restarting BOINC or the computer? The task could have gotten corrupt or just be a bad one. Normally a bad task tends to end with a computation error though. If you check the other hosts that are doing the task and they complete it ok. Then it could have just been a fluke. Which can happen on rare occasions.

I think the last time I had a CPU task stuck I was able to suspend the task and the resume it.
3049) Message boards : Number crunching : Intel GPU memory allocation (Message 1481742)
Posted 26 Feb 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
From which, do I deduce?

1) DVMT makes no difference at all

2) (Memory Size) + (Video Memory reported to BOINC) <= 1752MB

3) The best Memory Size setting is 128MB: that's enough for a decently rendered screen (not fancy graphics, but legible and colourful), but nothing taken from Compute memory?

It looks like the memory for compute purposes may not reserved/protected. If that is true. I could imagine there might be error scenarios on some system.
I may have to try some tests to see if using all of the system memory effects the running task in any way.
3050) Message boards : Number crunching : Intel GPU memory allocation (Message 1481724)
Posted 25 Feb 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
After doing some tests. Here are some rather confusing results.
I opted for Graphics Memory Size: 256MB & DVMT: MAX.

Memory Size	DVMT	Video Memory reported to BOINC
32MB		MAX	1624MB
64MB		MAX	1624MB
128MB		MAX	1624MB
256MB		MAX	1496MB
512MB		MAX	1240MB
1024MB		MAX	728MB

32MB		256MB	1624MB
64MB		256MB	1624MB
128MB		256MB	1624MB
256MB		256MB	1496MB
512MB		256MB	1240MB
1024MB		256MB	728MB

32MB		128MB	1624MB
64MB		128MB	1624MB
128MB		128MB	1624MB
256MB		128MB	1496MB
512MB		128MB	1240MB
1024MB		128MB	728MB
3051) Message boards : Number crunching : Android crunching going mainstream. (Message 1481649)
Posted 25 Feb 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Looks like HTC teamed up With Dr. Anderson to get a customized version of BOINC.

http://www.engadget.com/2014/02/24/htc-power-to-give/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4edMJo85us
3052) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (86) Server Problems? (Message 1481641)
Posted 25 Feb 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
As I write this 90,000 results have been returned and incoming traffic is up to just over 27 MB per second. My upload queue cleared an hour or so ago.

Out of interest how many results are stored in a row in the database? I am just wondering how many rows are been taken up by result waiting for DB purging there are currently 1,606,679 results waiting to be deleted and the work unit waiting purging is 779,696

As I recall it is one entry per row. Which was the reason limits were needed. It was taking to long to scan the table with "Results out in the field" I believe.

One entry per row is standard for any good database design. 'Result' and 'Row' are pretty much synonyms here.

Scanning won't take much time, because the key fields are indexed - and a database index search is *very* fast (that's what they're optimised for). Retrieving the rest of the record is what takes the time - especially if you have to go to a physical disk for it. I think the staff have said that it makes a huge difference when the whole database is small enough to be held completely in RAM, both tables and indexes.

Having seen many poor db implementations over the years I tend to take caution when assuming things.
In fact I have to work with a system where someone thought it would be a good idea to make a table for groups of users and then stuff all the users into each line with the group as the key. Instead of just adding a group field to the user table.

Perhaps the limit I was thinking about was just once we exceeded the RAM for the db. I did not follow this issue closely after they asked if there were db experts with idea for optimization.
I tend to just know enough to muck things up and then get them back to where they were before I touched it.
3053) Message boards : Number crunching : Results/Finds page? (Message 1481639)
Posted 25 Feb 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
In the original project there was a page with interesting signals for reobservation. That was when there was a timetable of "initial scan for xx months" "observe interesting results for xx months" after that.

With the current shoestring budget I don't know if they have any such documents. The way Matt stated they are trying to work with the science db "to be able to actually work with it" I'm not sure if our results are doing much at the moment.
3054) Message boards : Number crunching : Intel GPU memory allocation (Message 1481636)
Posted 25 Feb 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Would be nice to find any differences between BIOS-allocated and driver allocated memories.
AFAIK both can be pinned so looks like no differences at all.
Perhaps the only difference is that BIOS reserved is guarantied to be while driver allocated depends on amount of free system memory at point when driver does allocation.

Looking over my MB manual I just noticed there is a 2nd setting.
DVMT Total Memory Size: Allows you to allocate the DVMT memory size of the onboard graphics. Options are: 128M, 256M, MAX. (Default: MAX)

In searching for DVMT I found many contradictory statements on exactly what it does vs what it should do. So I shall have to play with this setting to find out if it limits the driver memory usage in some way.
3055) Message boards : Number crunching : Intel GPU memory allocation (Message 1481631)
Posted 25 Feb 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I'm not sure if BOINC would detected the low memory condition and suspend the task or not.


That all depends... if BOINC queries the GPU for it's available graphics RAM, and the GPU responds with "I have X", with X being more than the base memory you specified in the BIOS, BOINC may simply just go ahead and use it because it was told that there was more memory.

It does seem the GPU responds with "I have 1624MB". Looking at other Intel GPU hosts several are also reporting 1624MB, but then there are others reporting 728MB or 1496MB. What number they are using I don't know. Perhaps just the max allowable by the driver?

I am one version behind at the moment using 15.33.8.64.3345 & 15.33.14.64.3412 was released Jan 29th. The version may be the difference in the memory size reporting. Similar to NVIDIA in their driver releases some time ago.
3056) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (86) Server Problems? (Message 1481630)
Posted 25 Feb 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
As I write this 90,000 results have been returned and incoming traffic is up to just over 27 MB per second. My upload queue cleared an hour or so ago.

Out of interest how many results are stored in a row in the database? I am just wondering how many rows are been taken up by result waiting for DB purging there are currently 1,606,679 results waiting to be deleted and the work unit waiting purging is 779,696

As I recall it is one entry per row. Which was the reason limits were needed. It was taking to long to scan the table with "Results out in the field" I believe.
3057) Message boards : Number crunching : inconclusive validated all 3 machines (Message 1481463)
Posted 25 Feb 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/workunit.php?wuid=1435889798

can anyone shed some light on this one ?
how can all 3 be valid??

also it seems upload server and cricket graphs have died

First two were not strongly similar. The third result decided the firs two were similar enough.
3058) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (86) Server Problems? (Message 1481455)
Posted 24 Feb 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
UL starts to give a lot of retry´s it´s only me?

It's been horribly erratic all evening - for the last three hours at least - with machines needing a periodic tickle (or kick, if you're inclined to that sort of thing).

But most uploads have got there eventually - I'm nowhere near as stuffed as I would have been if it was a total blackout.

It does seem to be only the upload server - scheduler and downloads have been fine.

Looking at the graph it looks like downloads are starting to taper off from the stuck uploads.
3059) Message boards : Number crunching : Real GPU power consumption, idle and under load (Message 1481437)
Posted 24 Feb 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Some time ago i trying to build a power - efficient homeserver on core 2 duo.
during experiments on videocards i get to old PCI videocard with 1 Mb RAM, and ATI mach64 chipset. whole system with this videocard use about a 72w ( 0.33A at 220v).

now i put it in radeon hd4350 with 512 Mb - it consumes about 87W ( 0.41A at 216V) at idle, and about 96 - 98W under full load calculating seti@home AP tasks.

I like lower power systems myself. With one of my newest computers I have very pleased with it's power efficiency. It uses ~65w idle & ~130w running 4 CPU and 1 Intel GPU task. I do not use its HD6870 for crunching right now. Also may years ago I built Mobile on DeskTop system. It dates from about 2007 & uses ~30w idle & about ~60w at full load. Not as good as new hardware. Replacing the old 350w non 80Plus PS with smaller more efficient PS would probably increase system efficiency, but I only to replace the system with something lower powered in the future. Perhaps Atom based with highly efficient Intel GPU.
3060) Message boards : Number crunching : Intel GPU memory allocation (Message 1481420)
Posted 24 Feb 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The setting for Internal Graphics Memory Size is the amount system RAM to set aside as base video memory. Nearly all integrated GPUs will utilize extra system memory if not enough base memory exists (I believe this is called NUMA, which allows the CPU and GPU to use the same pool of memory as if it's one large shared pool). The setting merely ensures that the GPU always has at least X amount of system RAM (in your case, you left it at the default of 64MB).

I haven't thought of NUMA in the sense of the video and CPU sharing memory before. Just in multi processor systems, but that does seem about right.

I'm not sure if BOINC would detected the low memory condition and suspend the task or not. With my HTPC running between ~400-500MB free out of 16GB I think I might need to bump up the value. Rather the system stuff something into swap instead of stuffing a queue of tasks.
Setting 256MB should be sufficient. At least for MB work. If/when I do AP on there then I may have to reevaluate the setting again.
3061) Message boards : Number crunching : Intel GPU memory allocation (Message 1481415)
Posted 24 Feb 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
... I see it as wasteful.


Well, odds are you will NEVER come even close to using 16GB at once, no matter what you are doing. I have used 4GB on my SETI machines with 4/8 cores and 2 cards running 3 tasks each and never come close to using the 4GB up.
So is it wasteful to have 16GB? Yes it is, but it is pretty cheap, so...?

Or, as a great philosopher once said, "Don't sweat the small stuff"

I think you misunderstood my use of "wasteful". Wasteful to allocate resources when not needed. I don't have "SETI machines" I have machines I use that also run SETI@home. One of these two systems is my gaming machine and the other is my HTPC.
3062) Message boards : Number crunching : Intel GPU app hosts with failures - please post here (Message 1481081)
Posted 23 Feb 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
So far I have had 0 invalid or error on my two.
So far none of the inconclusive I have had have been against Intel GPU. Just against NVIDIA or Radeon GPU tossing out to many spikes. Very low rate for me though. Total of 35 inconclusive in 1200 returned results.
3063) Message boards : Number crunching : Intel GPU memory allocation (Message 1480935)
Posted 23 Feb 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
It does seem that the internal GPU is using however much system RAM it needs. I am thinking that the setting is just a limit so that the system does not use all free RAM. Then leave non for GPU. I guess with 16GB in the system & the tasks the systems are running I would never run into this issue. If that is the case I think perhaps I should at least set it to 256MB to avoid any issue, but if it is not needed to be increased I see it as wasteful.
3064) Message boards : Number crunching : GPU Wars 2014: Postponed to 2015? (Message 1480796)
Posted 22 Feb 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
It seems to be 2x faster ! Sadly no tasks at moment.

Very impressive, especially when you consider the power requirements.

GTX 750Ti 60W
GTX 560Ti 210W

Double the processing, for 1/3 of the power.


EDIT- looks like I've found my new video card. If the price is right, might as well get 2 of them to replace my present 560Ti (fan bearings have had it).

I would guess that factory OC card may be using more than the default 60w configuration rating. With it pumping out 2183 vs 1306 GFLOPS of the stock spec card at least.
No doubt it is still more efficient that the older cards.
3065) Message boards : Number crunching : Intel GPU memory allocation (Message 1480788)
Posted 22 Feb 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I recent purchased a 2nd i5-4670K to replace my aging HTPC. In configuring the UEFI/BIOS I cam across Internal Graphics Memory Size. Which I can configure from 32MB to 1024MB. It defaults to 64MB & I have it set there. GPUz shows the dynamic memory usage while crunching to be ~157MB.

Both of my machines, 5837483 & 5255585, are using PEG for the primary display & seem to be humming along just fine set to 64MB. However, I wonder if I should increase this or not bother.
3066) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (86) Server Problems? (Message 1480765)
Posted 22 Feb 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Looking at my host list most of my machines have filled their quota of 100 tasks over the past hour or so.
3067) Message boards : Number crunching : File size too big error (Message 1480737)
Posted 22 Feb 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
We had a batch of those back in December: message 1452845. It's a rogue splitter problem, I think. We'd better see what tasks are affected.

Wasn't 12au13aa the tape that got stuck on Thursday night?

12au13aa was the one Jeff reported he removed the other day.
3068) Message boards : Number crunching : Rescheduling - final attempt (Message 1480732)
Posted 22 Feb 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
From last Tech News post Matt did in Jan:
"...neither the perfect solution nor the money ever appeared to magically speed up our science databases, so were are working on plan B..."
Which he then also mentions maybe larger workunits. I am hoping that maybe this will mean that the large work unit development will start up again on beta.

I don't know if they have funding goals for these projects, or what happened to the GPU users group funding drives that were going on for a time.
It seems to have been shown that when they have specific request that everyone pennies seem to come together to make things happen.
3069) Message boards : Number crunching : Rescheduling - final attempt (Message 1480692)
Posted 22 Feb 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
A good solution

One of the first things I learned from my dad was life is not fair. The world is not fair. What your work hard for and earn is. With that said, SETI@home equipment needs serious upgrades. Since they rely on donations from us the users, a solution to how much one gets can be accomplished. I suggest that there be a yearly contribution requirement for those that want more than 25 WU's at a time. $50 gets you 50 WU's, $75 WU's and $100 for 100 WU's at a time. Image what kind of upgrades the SETI team could do with these contributions. Since most would not want to contribute, the number of AP WU's would be available most if not all the time. It would cut down on the caching of WU's. If the equipment in the future was really good and they could move away from an old database to a better database $$, then maybe the 100 WU's limit could possibly go bye bye.

Just my one cent worth of input.

Is it a $100 donation for 100 tasks at a time per machine or just per account. If it were per account I think may people would band together under a single account. Actually there are some that do this now for different reasons.
I think there may be legal reason why that wouldn't work. As it may actually be seen as paying for something rather than a donation.
There are some that some that feel a donation based on RAC would be better & then there are those that donate large sums w/o doing much crunching at all.


Really I'd say we are all greedy, but there are two groups. Those that wish they had more & do nothing. Then those that do something.
It is my opinion that choosing to abort one type of work in order to get another is cherry picking. Such as aborting MB to get AP or aborting VLAR/VHAR because they "don't pay as well".

I would say that rescheduling tasks for the sole purpose of downloading more is taking advantage of a hole in a system that is designed as "first come first serve. limit xx per machine". Perhaps that hole will be plugged, perhaps it will not.
A user could also run one instance of BOINC per CPU or GPU on their machine. So a 8 CPU machine with 8 GPU's running 8 instances of BOINC would be able to cache 1600 tasks vs 200, but this would look normal from the server end and from other users point of view.

EDIT: I also recall that before there were limits. We had people complain that those with a 10 day cache were hording to much work & making their tasks take to long to validate. So there will always be those who are unhappy and want to whine.
3070) Message boards : Number crunching : boinc configuration - can run acct_mgr and separate project? (Message 1480680)
Posted 22 Feb 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
You could run multiple instances of BOINC if you want to run more than one account per project.
3071) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (86) Server Problems? (Message 1480675)
Posted 22 Feb 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I got excited when one of my machines had the message:
2/22/2014 10:40:48 AM (UTC -5) SETI@home Scheduler request completed: got 1 new tasks
Then I realized it was a _3 & stuck in download limbo.
3072) Message boards : Number crunching : SETI@Home not getting CPU work; only running on GPU (Message 1480452)
Posted 21 Feb 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have had similar problems with trying to run Intel GPU tasks for Seti@home

With the latest version 7.2.39(x64) I can't run both CPU and GPU tasks at the same time. With the GPU enabled the BOINC manager fetches CPU and GPU tasks - the GPU tasks run but the CPU tasks just sit there doing nothing. If I suspend the GPU the CPU tasks start running straight away. If I then resume the GPU tasks the CPU tasks stop running and show 'Waiting to run' all cores at this stage show little usage.

CPU is i5-3570K

Any suggestions ?

When you had the CPU tasks running and resumed the GPU task were there any messages in the event log? Like "waiting for memory" or "waiting for GPU memory" maybe?
If you set Activity > Run Always & also Activity > Use GPU always do all of the tasks run?
3073) Message boards : Number crunching : strange in boincstats (Message 1480277)
Posted 21 Feb 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
When you see an issue like this is is best to check one of the other sites to see if it also off there.
In this comparison of a machine you have on the account you use to post. The daily numbers are rather different. Even though the daily data generated by SETI@home is the same.
http://boincstats.com/en/stats/0/host/detail/7210225/lastDays
http://stats.free-dc.org/stats.php?page=host&proj=sah&hostid=7210225
3074) Message boards : Number crunching : strange in boincstats (Message 1480228)
Posted 21 Feb 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The data on the stat sites is generated by that stat site. I would look at one of the other sites to compare.
At the moment my hosts on BOINC stats are only displaying data for the past 3 days.
http://boincstats.com/en/stats/-1/host/detail/137856779/lastDays
3075) Message boards : Number crunching : SETI@Home not getting CPU work; only running on GPU (Message 1478995)
Posted 19 Feb 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I don't believe anyone has asked yet what your setting is for Minimum work buffer. If you've got it set to a high number, say 9 or 10 days, you might want to try reducing it, perhaps down to 1.

I mention that because, in the back of my mind, I have a vague recollection of someone else mentioning that a large work buffer number causes the project to think that your machine will take much longer to process the tasks it receives, and actually ends up sending it fewer tasks to ensure that deadlines will be met. Because your machines haven't established a usable APR for v7 CPU tasks, estimated run times will initially be vastly inflated to begin with. If a large work buffer number adds to those estimates, it's possible that the scheduler thinks that it simply has no tasks available that could possibly be completed by the expected deadline, rather than having no tasks available at all. That might be especially true when you have other projects sharing the CPU.

I had a minimum work buffer of 3 days. I've set it to 1 day (for both SETI@Home and Rosetta@Home), so I'll see if that helps. Thanks for the suggestion.

The work queue is a global setting instead of per project. So if you set a different value on different projects the last one will be the setting that you are using.
3076) Message boards : Number crunching : global_prefs - do not get more work ? (Message 1478919)
Posted 19 Feb 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
ok, thank you both- William and HAL9k.
i be a satisfy with information, you bring to me.
just 1 question ( mostly to HAL9k, i think) - do you discover, what way can get a info about boinc current activity - current task use GPU, or on, and if yes, what is GPU /CPU proportion? in graphical boincmgr that info is seems, in commandline, as i investigate - no....?


I think to get the info you want you can use: boinccmd --get_simple_gui_info

======== Tasks ========
1) -----------
name: ap_31mr13ah_B5_P1_00302_20140211_18044.wu_1
WU name: ap_31mr13ah_B5_P1_00302_20140211_18044.wu
project URL: http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/
report deadline: Sat Mar 08 13:49:58 2014
ready to report: no
got server ack: no
final CPU time: 0.000000
state: 2
scheduler state: 2
exit_status: 0
signal: 0
suspended via GUI: no
active_task_state: 1
app version num: 601
checkpoint CPU time: 10135.350000
current CPU time: 10166.070000
fraction done: 0.270270
swap size: 19308544.000000
working set size: 22921216.000000
estimated CPU time remaining: 12882.038275
2) -----------
name: 21my13ad.2406.240553.438086664198.12.185_1
WU name: 21my13ad.2406.240553.438086664198.12.185
project URL: http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/
report deadline: Thu Apr 10 08:06:48 2014
ready to report: no
got server ack: no
final CPU time: 0.000000
state: 2
scheduler state: 2
exit_status: 0
signal: 0
suspended via GUI: no
active_task_state: 1
app version num: 703
checkpoint CPU time: 95.238620
current CPU time: 95.737820
fraction done: 0.369234
swap size: 278433792.000000
working set size: 232398835.999892
estimated CPU time remaining: 2411.726333

You can compare the app version list to the ones running to tell you which app is running. The ones shown here are for windows.
CPU MB linux app version: 701
GPU MB linux app version: 704
CPU AP linux app version: x64 603, x86 601
GPU AP linux app version: 607
3077) Message boards : Number crunching : I/O bound workloads (Message 1478914)
Posted 19 Feb 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Really the only thing around here that stresses disk i/o is the server setup & that runs on an external storage enclosure with, I think, FibreChannel.
3078) Message boards : Number crunching : global_prefs - do not get more work ? (Message 1478717)
Posted 18 Feb 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
<project>
<master_url>http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/</master_url>

...

<dont_use_dcf/>
<dont_request_more_work/>
<rsc_backoff_time>
<name>CPU</name>
<value>0.000000</value>
</rsc_backoff_time>
<rsc_backoff_interval>
<name>CPU</name>
<value>0.000000</value>
</rsc_backoff_interval>
...

put into all sub projects - exact location may not be needed but better safe than sorry.

edit stupid bbcode tags

Maybe I am missing something, but how is that less work than a script to just run

boinccmd --project http://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta nomorework
boinccmd --project http://boinc.fzk.de/poem nomorework 
boinccmd --project http://milkyway.cs.rpi.edu/milkyway nomorework 
boinccmd --project http://setiathome.berkeley.edu nomorework
boinccmd --project http://einstein.phys.uwm.edu nomorework


I regularly use boinccmd to control my 30 or so machines across the network & have setup control script for each machine. Then I just make a copy and modify the project. So I can control each project per machine or all at once.
3079) Message boards : Number crunching : Rescheduling Hosts - Bad Practice (Message 1478714)
Posted 18 Feb 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I would say the users that are aborting their whole cache of MB tasks in order to download AP tasks are defiantly "cherry picking". Which is very wasteful behavior. I would assume those users would be doing the same thing even if there were higher, or no, limits in place, Just so they could get the small percent more credit when doing AP work vs MB work.

Given that 9 out of the top 10 fastest hosts are maintaining 100,000+ RAC without rescheduling would seem to show that holding 1000's of tasks is not necessary to keep their RAC up.

Given that the DB issue is not going to suddenly get better any time soon. I do not see the project choosing to increase limits.
Maybe a BOINC setting for users to adjust their limit CPU/GPU limits when a project has implemented limits. So a project could set a machine limit of 200. Then users could adjust that to 25 CPU & 175 GPU if they like. Then others could set 200 CPU if they don't have a usable GPU in their system.
3080) Message boards : Number crunching : SETI not give new tasks ...? (Message 1478460)
Posted 17 Feb 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Why they aren't in plain view is not something you asked about. That is done because the same beginners and casual users that you talk about said in the poll about BOINC Manager that the Messages tab was scaring the crap out of them, as it was full of error messages. Thus away went the messages tab and in came the event log plus the notices.

I never seen or heard of this poll, but it was 1 of the most stupidest changes ever made.

Cheers.

Agreed. Which is why I still use boincmgr.exe 6.10.48.
To me it seems that it would be easy enough to modify the newer manager app to put the a tab back in for the event log and maybe drop the notices.
3081) Message boards : Number crunching : Rescheduling Hosts - Bad Practice (Message 1478452)
Posted 17 Feb 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
It seems nothing will stop the "hoarders", but I noticed that 1 of our original "trashes" (those who abort MB work when AP's are being split) has would up with mud on his face as he didn't get his fill this time (looks like the servers finally took action on him) and he still hasn't been able to get up to his maximum tasks quota yet.

No cheers here for the Hoarders & Trashes, but cheers to the servers for the treatment given to 1 Trash producer.

It would be a shame if there were something on the back end that did server side aborts of all those extra tasks.
3082) Message boards : Number crunching : SETI@Home not getting CPU work; only running on GPU (Message 1478380)
Posted 17 Feb 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The BOINC client work on a debt system. So it may run one project for a given amount of time before even asking for work from other project. Because it has enough work to not need work from any other project to keep it busy.
So your i7 probably has enough work to not request any CPU work from SETI@home right now.
Your i5 might just be unlucky in its work requests to SETI@home. Looking over my history I do see several times where my machines asked for work but didn't get any. Which would be an empty feeder when the client request was made. You could set the other projects on that machine to No New Tasks to see if it will pickup SETI@home tasks.

I see. But I thought the resource share settings in BOINC were supposed to allow you to adjust the relative priority of the various projects you're running. Right now I have SETI@Home configured to get the highest resource share of all the projects I'm running, yet it seems that most of the work my machines are getting is from rosetta@home right now.

It never works exactly as we users think that it should. Say Rosetta were configured for 50% & SETI 50% on a 4 core system. Instead of always running 2 Rosetta & 2 SETI tasks all of the time it will run one project or the other for an overall equal amount of time.
Using an app_config.xml BOINC can somewhat be made to work in that fashion by limiting the numbers of instances of a project application. So only 2 of each would be allowed to run at once. However if one project were out of work the other would still be limited to 2 instances.
On my machines that run SETI@Hom Beta I limit them to only 1 instance. So that BOINC does not fill the whole queue with Beta work.
There is a special condition setting where you can assign a resource share of 0 to other projects you prefer not to run unless your main one is out of work. Then the BOINC client will only request work from the other project(s) when your main project(s) are not providing work. It will only request enough work to keep your computer resources busy instead of filling your work queue.
3083) Message boards : Number crunching : SETI@Home not getting CPU work; only running on GPU (Message 1478334)
Posted 17 Feb 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
On your i5 What kind of response are you getting from the server when there is a work request. If you open Advanced > Event Log you should see something like this:
16-Feb-2014 19:37:12 [SETI@home] Requesting new tasks for CPU
16-Feb-2014 19:37:16 [SETI@home] Scheduler request completed: got 1 new tasks

On my i5 machine, it's reporting no tasks are available:

2/16/2014 9:51:48 PM | SETI@home | Sending scheduler request: To fetch work.
2/16/2014 9:51:48 PM | SETI@home | Requesting new tasks for CPU
2/16/2014 9:51:50 PM | SETI@home | Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks
2/16/2014 9:51:50 PM | SETI@home | No tasks sent
2/16/2014 9:51:50 PM | SETI@home | No tasks are available for SETI@home Enhanced
2/16/2014 9:51:50 PM | SETI@home | No tasks are available for SETI@home v7
2/16/2014 9:51:50 PM | SETI@home | No tasks are available for AstroPulse v6

For comparison, these are some log entries from my i7 machine:

2/16/2014 3:06:29 PM | SETI@home | Sending scheduler request: To fetch work.
2/16/2014 3:06:29 PM | SETI@home | Reporting 1 completed tasks
2/16/2014 3:06:29 PM | SETI@home | Requesting new tasks for NVIDIA
2/16/2014 3:06:31 PM | SETI@home | Scheduler request completed: got 19 new tasks

So this brings to mind a few of questions:
- Why is my i7 machine requesting tasks only for NVIDIA? It can only run one task on NVIDIA at a time; it should be able to use my CPU cores too.
- Why are no new tasks being given to my i5?
- Why is it asking for tasks specifically for NVIDIA or specifically for CPU? As you've said, there's no such thing as CPU work or GPU work; just work.

As Claggy said your machines have CPU work from other projects. It looks like the CPU on your i7 and i5 are busy running Rosetta@home at the moment.
The BOINC client tries to fill up with as much as as work as it has been told to retain, based on each projects resource share setting, to keep all of your resources busy.
The BOINC client work on a debt system. So it may run one project for a given amount of time before even asking for work from other project. Because it has enough work to not need work from any other project to keep it busy.
So your i7 probably has enough work to not request any CPU work from SETI@home right now.
Your i5 might just be unlucky in its work requests to SETI@home. Looking over my history I do see several times where my machines asked for work but didn't get any. Which would be an empty feeder when the client request was made. You could set the other projects on that machine to No New Tasks to see if it will pickup SETI@home tasks.
3084) Message boards : Number crunching : SETI@Home not getting CPU work; only running on GPU (Message 1478159)
Posted 17 Feb 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
You may have to wait for the respective CPU work units to download too.

Do your Seti settings on the website say to use CPU work units?


Yes, I have the "Use CPU" option enabled in my SETI@Home account settings. Could it be that the SETI@Home project simply does not have any work units for CPUs right now? I'm not sure how that would make sense though.. I did see a post from late January (the 30th or 31st) saying the Arecibo telescope is closed due to an earthquake - Might that have something to do with no CPU work units being available?

There is no such thing as CPU work or GPU work. Just work. It get assigned to a GPU or CPU when the client requests it. You can check the status of the project http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/sah_status.html to see if there is work on the server, "Results ready to send". Right now there are a few hundred thousand ready to go.
When the client requests work it pulls from the feeder. Which only seems to hold so many at a time. So when things are very busy you may see a lot of "project is work of work" messages even tho there are lots ready to send out. The feeder has to refill to complete the client requests.
3085) Message boards : Number crunching : SETI@Home not getting CPU work; only running on GPU (Message 1478157)
Posted 17 Feb 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Your i5 is a Sandy Bridge type CPU, whose GPU does not support OpenCL. You need an Ivy Bridge type CPU, like your i7 at minimum to have that enabled.

To be able to use the GPU built into the i7 you require Intel graphics drivers, and BOINC needs to have detected the GPU before it can be used. This may need a monitor attached, adummy VGA plug, or an extended desktop over the Intel GPU.


That's fine, but it should at least get CPU work units. The i5 is not getting any CPU work units at all.

And how did you know my i5 is a Sandy Bridge? I did not mention that in my first post.

By default BOINC allows your computers to be displayed via your profile Computers belonging to Eric Oulashin. This is often useful when troubleshooting.

On your i5 What kind of response are you getting from the server when there is a work request. If you open Advanced > Event Log you should see something like this:
16-Feb-2014 19:37:12 [SETI@home] Requesting new tasks for CPU
16-Feb-2014 19:37:16 [SETI@home] Scheduler request completed: got 1 new tasks
3086) Message boards : Number crunching : Arecibo telescope closed by earthquake - no new data for a while (Message 1478033)
Posted 16 Feb 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Are we running out of 2013 data?

My understanding is that we process data faster than it is collected right?

I don't think that this question has ever been answered.
How much work DO we have in reserve?

In the past it was mentioned that there is a large collection of old data that was not able to be split using the old splitter code. The new code that was made might make that data usable.
So in theory we have a huge stockpile of work.
3087) Message boards : Number crunching : What did you start with? (Message 1478032)
Posted 16 Feb 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I started with a dual Celeron machine. It was an overclocked dual processor machine, Asus BP6(?) motherboard with dual Celeron 300s running at 450. I believe I was running a flavor of Red Hat or an early version of Mandrake...

U2

Oh the days of the BP6. Did you ever get the adapters to run dual coppermine cellerons or go for the single tualatin?
3088) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (86) Server Problems? (Message 1477656)
Posted 15 Feb 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
MB results reasy to send buffer is gone.. Even with AP going out.

Is there so much shorties out there?

I still have 62/100 GPU shorties & 10/56 CPU shorties. My AP cache is building up at 44 currently.
3089) Message boards : Number crunching : Wierd Time Limit on MB WU (Message 1477610)
Posted 15 Feb 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
As I said I currently only recall the VLAR issue that does this, but there could be a dozen other conditions where this happens.
If you have the logs in your stdoutdae.txt or stdoutdae.old for 10 Feb 2014, 0:21:29 UTC then it might help point to the cause.

Edit: Doing some digging in the threads.
This also occurs when:
There is a ghost task & for whatever reason the server decides not to send it.
There was a "transient HTTP error" or other connection issue.
3090) Message boards : Number crunching : SETI@HOME Hard Copy Credit Updates (Message 1477597)
Posted 15 Feb 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
statistics_setiathome.berkeley.edu.xml is updated each time the host talks to the server. If there is no server communication, as such as during maintenance, I am not sure if the time stamp on the file changes.

You could direct the @ECHO to your printer. You could also direct the output to a text file. Then once the file had 60 lines you could send that data to a page printer.

As I have several machines I tend to add the host name to the file. So I can just copy and rename the file for each host.
statistics_print_HAL9000II.bat
@ECHO OFF
pushd %~dp0
set machine=%~n0
set machine=%machine:~17,10%
set CMDPATH=\\%machine%\z$\Boinc\
set statfile=%CMDPATH%statistics_setiathome.berkeley.edu.xml
:start
set /a skipval=-3 & set /a descval=1
:loopy
set /a skipval=%skipval%+7
FOR /F "skip=%skipval% tokens=2 delims=>< " %%a in (%statfile%) do set desc%descval%=%%a & goto loopy
set /a skipval=-1 & set /a descval=%descval%+1
if %descval%==2 goto loopy
@ECHO %date% %time% user_total_credit %desc1% %machine% host_total_credit %desc2%
timeout 3600 /NOBREAK & goto start

Notes: (for others what may want to use this)
1) When using a local path instead of remote change
set CMDPATH=\\%machine%\z$\Boinc\
set statfile=%CMDPATH%statistics_setiathome.berkeley.edu.xml

to
set CMDPATH="C:\Program Files\Boinc\"
pushd %CMDPATH%
set statfile=statistics_setiathome.berkeley.edu.xml

2) Remove timeout 3600 /NOBREAK & goto start & setup a schedule to run the file once whenever you like.
3) To output to a file add >> filename to the @ECHO such as:
@ECHO %date% %time% user_total_credit %desc1% %machine% host_total_credit %desc2%
to
@ECHO %date% %time% user_total_credit %desc1% %machine% host_total_credit %desc2% >> statistics_print_%machine%.txt
4) To collect stats from other projects change statfile to file name for that project.
set statfile=statistics_setiathome.berkeley.edu.xml
to
set statfile=statistics_www.primegrid.com.xml
5) When renaming the file and still wanting to get the machine name from the file name modify set machine=%machine:~17,10%. The First value is the number of characters to skip and the 2nd is the number to use. So with the file statistics_print_HAL9000II.bat it skips the first 17 characters and uses up to 10 of the next for %machine%. In this case there are only 9 more characters to use, but you can change this if your machine name is longer.
3091) Message boards : Number crunching : Wierd Time Limit on MB WU (Message 1477571)
Posted 15 Feb 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The field is "Time reported or deadline". The time you see is not the original deadline time, but the timestamp of when they were marked as timed out.

This most often happens with VLAR tasks that were assigned to the CPU but then the client did not download. Then on next work request GPU requested work and as VLAR are not allowed to GPU they were be flagged as "timed out" with the current timestamp. I don't recall the condition where this occurs for a non VLAR task at the moment.
That machine also has an AP that looks to have gotten the similar treatment.
3092) Message boards : Number crunching : Question about Intel-GPU WU-Times (Message 1477386)
Posted 15 Feb 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
While looking into something else I came across a comparison of Intel GPU's to NVIDIA and Radeon GPU's.
I had not realized how high the GFLOP/Watt ratio of the Intel GPU's really was.
3093) Message boards : Number crunching : SETI@HOME Hard Copy Credit Updates (Message 1477306)
Posted 14 Feb 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
You could also just parse statistics_setiathome.berkeley.edu.xml on your machines whenever they change.
Then all data collection is local rather than extra load on the server.
3094) Message boards : Number crunching : What did you start with? (Message 1477304)
Posted 14 Feb 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
SX series, as i remember, do not have built-in math?
DX series be with enabled math coprocessor, sx series - with disabled one...?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_80486SX

and RDRAM ( Rambus) if i remember correctly was involved on P4 motherboards - in intel 820 chipset, not in P3 ?

The i820 & i840 chipsets were released just before the introduction of the P4 which used the i850 chipset. As I recall all i8x0 were RAMBUS & i8x5 DDR.
3095) Message boards : Number crunching : Nvidia GT630 vs 640 vs 650 in SETI? (Message 1477195)
Posted 14 Feb 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Memory bandwidth of the GT640(GK208) vs GT630(GK208) is almost 3 times more. It may be significant for SETI@home.
It would be good we had a SETI@home benchmark list resource for quick comparison. In the past I tried to get details to make a list of best # of task to run on GPU at a time, but did not receive much input.
3096) Message boards : Number crunching : New computer (Message 1477166)
Posted 14 Feb 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I think that other projects, such as PrimeGrid, can make use of a HD3000. I do not recall if PG required double precision support or not. The HD3650 does lack DP support, but you can try it on various projects to see if they have anything for it to run if you would like.
3097) Message boards : Number crunching : What did you start with? (Message 1476514)
Posted 13 Feb 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I am not sure when I started SETI@Home Classic if I was still running my 83MHz PentiumOverdrive system or had upgraded to the Celeron 333MHz by then.
3098) Message boards : Number crunching : Keep getting memory needed notices (Message 1474795)
Posted 9 Feb 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thank you, HAL9000. I have updated my preferences to those given in your first example. Your explanation was concise, coherent and very easy to understand, and I thank you.

Further questions: I note in the preferences there are other changeable values:

Suspend work when non-BOINC CPU usage is above
0 means no restriction
Enforced by version 6.10.30+ % (my current value is 50%)

On multiprocessors, use at most processors (my current value is 2)
On multiprocessors, use at most
Enforced by version 6.1+ % of the processors (my current value is 100)
Use at most
Can be used to reduce CPU heat % of CPU time (my current value is 100)

Swap space: use at most % of total (my current value is 75)
Memory: when computer is in use, use at most % of total (my current value is 50)
Memory: when computer is not in use, use at most % of total (my current value is 90)

I have no clue what these are talking about. Any suggestions here? Again, thank you very much for your help.

Unless you get a message like out of disc space, waiting for memory, or something along those lines. Then your settings are fine. I set mine to 100% because the projects I run don't consume the whole system. YMMV
I'll try to explain them as best I understand the settings.

Suspend work when non-BOINC CPU usage is above
If you are using the computer & normal activities consume more than this value. In your case 50%. Then BOINC will stop the science apps. This is mostly for apps that really need use of the processors w/o sharing. If you have an app you use where you would need to suspend BOINC you can also setup exclusive apps. So BOINC will stop processing what that app is running.

On multiprocessors, use at most
Is obsolete on newer clients and replaced by
On multiprocessors, use at most Enforced by version 6.1+
So if you only wanted to use 9 out of 12 processors you could set this to 75% or 50% for 6 out of 12. Sometimes you may have to set a few % up or down to get exactly what you want.

Use at most xx CPU time
This will decide on how much of the time BOINC is allowed to run the science apps. If you were to set 50%. Then BOINC switch off and on the apps to try and maintain 50%. If a task were to normally take 1 hour of processing. Then with 50% set it would run ~2 hours.

Swap space: use at most % of total
How must of the swap is BOINC allowed to consume. If you are using software that swaps a lot then you may need to limit how much BOINC uses.

Memory: when computer is in use, use at most % of total
Tells BOINC how much memory it is allowed to use while you are using the computer. So if you have 16GB of RAM and set to 50%. Then BOINC is allowed to use up to 8GB. This can limit the number or type of science apps running.

Memory: when computer is not in use, use at most % of total
Same as the previous one, but after 'In use' means mouse/keyboard activity in last xx minutes has lapsed.
If 'In use' is set to 15 min. Then BOINC would be allowed to use up to 90% of RAM until you use the computer again by using the mouse or keyboard.

I think the last three are more important for systems with fewer resources, but may be more important when running some projects that use a lot of resources
3099) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (86) Server Problems? (Message 1474646)
Posted 9 Feb 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
It looks like since ~ 12:00 UTC the upload server isn't reachable.

FYI, I sent E-Mail to David, Eric, Matt & Jeff.
Maybe it could be done remotely.

Weird all of my uploads are OK, but downloads are not moving.
3100) Message boards : Number crunching : Keep getting memory needed notices (Message 1474644)
Posted 9 Feb 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I keep getting messages that state, for instance: "SETI@home v7 needs 32.00MB more disc space. You currently have 0.00 MB available and it needs 32.00 MB."

I'm getting these messages daily now. Using HP Envy, Win 8.1, Intel I7 6 core processor. I processing for 3 projects: Einstein, Rosetta and SETI. Hard drive is 2TB, each project has 6GB disc space dedicated.

I'm a youthfully challenged, gastronomically unstable (O.F.) user who is not very sophisticated tech-wise. Can anyone tell me in simple words what the problem, and solution, is? Thanks.

When you modify your computing preferences those are for BOINC not per project. So if you have set 6GB. Then it is 6GB total between all projects running in BOINC.
You could use these settings to limit BOINC to 10GB
Disk: use at most		10 GB
Disk: leave free at least 	0.001 GB
Disk: use at most		100% of total

The free disk space triggers when any one of the set condition are met. So you could also use:
Disk: use at most		5000 GB
Disk: leave free at least 	0.001 GB
Disk: use at most		1% of total
To allocate 10 GB if the partition was 1 TB.

The settings I use are:
Disk: use at most		1000 GB
Disk: leave free at least 	0.001 GB
Disk: use at most		100% of total

and I have yet to have BOINC use more than a few GB.

There are a few projects that have massive work units, but it does not look like you are currently on any of them
3101) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (86) Server Problems? (Message 1474289)
Posted 8 Feb 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
All is definitely not well in seti land.

No stats dump yesterday.
Server status page currently unreachable, just get 'failed to open file: ../user/sah_status.xml.temp'

However on the positive side, AP's are available again, gab em while you can.
The page is there for me.

SETI@home server status information is also available in XML.
[As of 8 Feb 2014, 19:30:04 UTC]

Recently I have been seeing a lot of cached page issues. IF you ever have a page that you don't think is right you can add a ? to the URL to see if it is a cashing issue. The company that hosts my domain seems to be using some kind of caching where it only updates ever 4-5 min. So when I am working on a page I may have to add 5 or 6 ? to the URL.
3102) Message boards : Number crunching : Question about Intel-GPU WU-Times (Message 1474271)
Posted 8 Feb 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Temperature & load are very flat for me. I was thinking of trying overclocking on Intel GPU as I have K version, but do not know thermal limit of GPU.

3103) Message boards : Number crunching : most energy efficient powerful computing for boinc\SETI ? (Message 1474252)
Posted 8 Feb 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Low power devices do not necessarily translate into energy efficient devices. Having 20 5w devices may only have half the processing power of a single 100 watt system.

What you need to do is compare flop/watt. Which will tell you how much processing power you are getting for each watt you feed it.
3104) Message boards : Number crunching : Energy efficient GPU for servers? (Message 1474249)
Posted 8 Feb 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
A PCIe x16 slot is designed to deliver up to 75w. So you can go with a slightly more powerful card if you wish.
3105) Message boards : Number crunching : Question about Intel-GPU WU-Times (Message 1474247)
Posted 8 Feb 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
At the moment the only completed Intel GPU task I see on your machine has an angle range of 0.875583. So it may be considered a "shortie". An angle range near 0.42 is considered normal AR.

My i5-4670K with HD 4600 runs about an hour for a normal AR task & a mostly steady 96% load. Looking at my list of tasks. 60-70% of the tasks waiting to process are claiming about 35 minutes. So looks like I have a large load of shorties.
3106) Message boards : Number crunching : What's the fastest GPU at the moment? (Message 1473590)
Posted 7 Feb 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Dont forget the R9 290x.

I was looking at the results on a host with a R9 290X & the numbers look good, but it is the only one I have seen to check out so far.

From discussions on other boards, it seems likely that you need to be running BOINC v7.2.39 (still marked as a test version, but likely to be promoted to 'recommended' soon) for an R9 to be recognised.

My initial enquirer has asked me to pass on thanks to everyone for their help.

The cards are easy enough to find right now. As they are displayed with their GPU code name "[2] AMD Hawaii (2048MB) OpenCL: 1.02". On projects like Collatz, where ATI cards rule the roost, there are many more R9 290's in the top 100 of the machine list, but it is quite hard to compare the performance across projects.

I was temped by the R9 290's, but I like to keep the GPU in my gaming machine near the 150w mark. Right now the R9 270, which is 150w, is only about 15% faster in SP than my HD 6870. So I see no reason to upgrade.
3107) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (86) Server Problems? (Message 1473496)
Posted 6 Feb 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Sure would like a little detail about what happened.

About 00:30 UTC when I last tried this message was on the front page

The machine that serves the boinc database crashed a few hours ago. The project is down until the database recovery is complete.


PS If you look at the status page the database replica is "offline"

Replica is now online and only about 73,000 seconds behind.
3108) Message boards : Number crunching : AMD 64 Processor - Circa 2005 - Will it crunch? (Message 1473494)
Posted 6 Feb 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
If I can't get a graphics card to crunch, I'm left with just the CPU; which, I already knew, (and others have stated here), that it will be slow... However; it will be faster than the current Athlon XP Linux box I'm currently crunching on...

Well, if you have an Athlon XP now, than that will be a lot faster.

As to your ATI X1950 GPU: on the german Wikipedia (not in the english version) it's written, that it could be used in the past for Folding@Home, however before CAL was introduced, i.e. it has some pre-CAL thing... so forget about crunching on it today... I think.

BTW, I'm not sure, but IIRC there was a discussion here about OpenCL capable AGP cards, ATI HD4000 series, not sure if someone has actually used such cards here.

IIRC there were some ATI HD4350 AGP cards that were tried for MB, but there was a requirement like SSE3 I think... Will have to find those old convos to see. They might be on over on Beta.
3109) Message boards : Number crunching : What's the fastest GPU at the moment? (Message 1473482)
Posted 6 Feb 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Dont forget the R9 290x.

I was looking at the results on a host with a R9 290X & the numbers look good, but it is the only one I have seen to check out so far.
3110) Message boards : Number crunching : What's the fastest GPU at the moment? (Message 1473477)
Posted 6 Feb 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Look at the top crunchers; it isn't which, it's how many.

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/top_hosts.php

If you look down the list you will see even as the number of cards drops the same few cards are listed over and over.

Comparing the run time of the tasks is one of the more determining factors. After a while you can get an idea of how many tasks per GPU users are running on their machines based on the times.
3111) Message boards : Number crunching : AMD 64 Processor - Circa 2005 - Will it crunch? (Message 1473470)
Posted 6 Feb 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
There is a Optiplex 760 at Newegg with Win 7 Pro x64 for $175. For that kind of money I may need to grab a few of those after my tax refund comes in.


While the price is low, it is a Dell; and, Dell cuts the quality on parts. It wears out too quickly. Usually the power supply starts burning out parts on the motherboard, then itself. My family has had several Dells in the past, and they've all died the same death of cheap, power supplies. Plus Dell is proprietary on it's parts.

I'd rather, (if I had the money), get this:

HP Desktop, i3, Win 7 Pro

However; I don't have the money for that. Plus; as others have stated here, it is possible to get Win 7 Pro OEM for $80, that would reduce my expenditure to $130 from $200.

If you still think that $130 isn't worth it; like I said, I still have XP Pro X64 at my fingertips, waiting for a computer to run it on. If I inherit this HP system from my friend, I will install that on it.

That still leaves the question of:

Is the extra slot a PCI-e slot? If so, I can install the ATI Radeon card that I mentioned a few posts back.

At work I normally have the fan die first in the Dell systems. As it relies on the feedback to allow it to be powered on. So you have to shell out $40 for the fan from Dell to get the system to boot again. Such a pain...

Not spending money & working with that you already have is always a good option too.
3112) Message boards : Number crunching : What's the fastest GPU at the moment? (Message 1473435)
Posted 6 Feb 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Given the popularity of the GeForce GTX 780 with the top crunchers I am going to guess it is one of the top performers for SETI@home.
3113) Message boards : Number crunching : AMD 64 Processor - Circa 2005 - Will it crunch? (Message 1473432)
Posted 6 Feb 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
...and, YES, I plan to use the machine for daily use and some gaming of the original StarCraft and BroodWar. As stated, I have an OEM copy of XP Pro X64 that I can install with the existing 2GB RAM; however, with XP support ending now in 2015, I thought it would be worth it to have Win 7 Pro on the machine, and both Vista and Win 7 run better with 4 GB RAM than 2 GB RAM, so I'd be willing to spend the $200 to make this a Win 7 Pro machine.

Others have already said that but I'll join the club. Putting $200 on that machine is waste of money. It's old and it's slow. I know, I have one.

For $200 you can get a refurbished/used Core 2 Duo / 4 GB / Win7 machine. For daily use that's going to be heck of a lot faster. See e.g. Best Buy, Newegg, eBay.

There is a Optiplex 760 at Newegg with Win 7 Pro x64 for $175. For that kind of money I may need to grab a few of those after my tax refund comes in.
3114) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (86) Server Problems? (Message 1473307)
Posted 6 Feb 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
It's back alive! :)

Well poo. I didn't even have enough time to get a good panic going. :/
Silly things working and such!
3115) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (86) Server Problems? (Message 1473297)
Posted 6 Feb 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Anyone else getting an empty server status page?
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/sah_status.html
:?

I was not 30-45 min ago, but I do right now.
3116) Message boards : Number crunching : Problem with AP? (Message 1473295)
Posted 6 Feb 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hi

Don´t know if that could be related to this thread but today
after few days all working fine, today i get this error:

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/result.php?resultid=3370196609

never see one like this before in this host and as allways have no ideia why?

194 (0xc2) EXIT_ABORTED_BY_CLIENT
<message>
finish file present too long
</message>

There is a limited about of space allocated for the return data file and this limit was reached. However, I am not sure if it is related to the 4 times the task was restarted.

I think the measure of 'too long' is time, rather than size - there's a different message for 'too large':

#define ERR_FILE_TOO_BIG    -131
    // an output file was bigger than max_nbytes

That does make more sense.
Note to self: Stop trying to think before coffee.
3117) Message boards : Number crunching : Problem with AP? (Message 1473279)
Posted 6 Feb 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hi

Don´t know if that could be related to this thread but today
after few days all working fine, today i get this error:

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/result.php?resultid=3370196609

never see one like this before in this host and as allways have no ideia why?

194 (0xc2) EXIT_ABORTED_BY_CLIENT
<message>
finish file present too long
</message>

There is a limited about of space allocated for the return data file and this limit was reached. However, I am not sure if it is related to the 4 times the task was restarted.
3118) Message boards : Number crunching : AMD 64 Processor - Circa 2005 - Will it crunch? (Message 1473162)
Posted 6 Feb 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

Also it is worth noting that there is no real advantage to going from 32-bit to 64-bit for SETI@home. As all of the apps are 32-bit


We are working to change that. x64 "should" be faster for CPU apps...

Always good news to hear of such news. Even if the apps may be a few releases away.
IIRC the reason for no x64 apps last time was "little to no improvement running native x64 apps vs x86 apps".
3119) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (86) Server Problems? (Message 1473160)
Posted 6 Feb 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Now that was a panic-worthy outage.

I think it was my comment about the bandwidth not dropping below 100 that jinxed it.
Sorry about that.
3120) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (86) Server Problems? (Message 1473102)
Posted 5 Feb 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I find it interesting that during the outrage the crickets only dropped to ~100Mbits. Don't they usually drop to ~20 or less?

IT hasn't dropped below 100 in a few weeks. I might guess that part of it would data going from the colo to the lab. As the graph is all traffic and not just project to the outside world.
3121) Message boards : Number crunching : AMD 64 Processor - Circa 2005 - Will it crunch? (Message 1473037)
Posted 5 Feb 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Is this machine only going to be used for SETI, or do you have another use for it as well?

If it's just to run SETI, then that $200 is just money down the drain, it will give you no more crunching performance.

If you spend the $200 on a mid range graphics card, you will get maybe a 10X boost?

I second that.

My home computer is a 64bit socket 939 Athlon X2 3800+. There is no way in hell I'm using it for SETI. I wanted it to contribute so I bought a second hand GTX 650TI boost for 130$(stuff are more expensive here in Europe), set it to GPU only, and it does about 8700RAC.

If you are going to use this for SETI only I would suggest you verify that you have a PCI Express slot on your motherboard and buy a second hand GTX 650TI Boost for no more than 80/90 bucks off e-bay. Make sure it's cheap - there are some insane offers out there.

Just because it says AMD 64, I don't know if the entire hardware architecture from HP in 2005 was 64 bit.

There is no such thing as "entire hardware architecture" being 64 bit. If your CPU is 64bit then you can install 64bit OS and can address large amounts of RAM. That is it.

I think "entire hardware architecture" would be referring to CPU, motherboard, & BIOS. Which all are required to run a 64-bit OS.

Also it is worth noting that there is no real advantage to going from 32-bit to 64-bit for SETI@home. As all of the apps are 32-bit
3122) Message boards : Number crunching : AMD 64 Processor - Circa 2005 - Will it crunch? (Message 1472891)
Posted 5 Feb 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Sure it will work. Not blazingly fast, as it's almost 10 years old, but it will work. If the Nvidia card has 512 mB ram then it's probably CUDA capable so that's a bonus.

But I wouldn't actually spend money upgrading it. If you have spare RAM and a second hand hard disk, then plug them in and have a play. Otherwise just plug in whatever disk you have find and load a system on it. If you only want to run BOINC then you could stick with 2gb ram, XP and an old (free) 40gb disk. Unless you surf the net or open emails the lack of XP support wont really matter, it will still run. More ram and a new OS won't help performance in any noticeable way, unless you actually want to use the machine for "other stuff".

Have fun

Ian


The 2GB RAM are new, the NVIDIA card is new, and the generic 5.1 Sound Card is new. Total cost: $120 The hard drive is original, and now is failing. I have a replacement 250 GB SATA drive new in package from 2006.

If I install my copy of XP Pro X64 on it, that's free; and I'd leave the system at 2 GB RAM. If; however, I purchase Win 7 Pro from Amazon.com, that's approx. $150, and I would need another 2 GB RAM at under $50. I'm willing to spend that $200; if the whole system is truly 64 bit, since XP support will now end in 2015.

Depending on what you are doing 2GB is fine for Windows 7. If the plan is to make it a dedicated cruncher you could install Windows 7 without entering the key and "evaluate" Windows 7 for however long you like. So long as you are not concerned about getting Windows Updates. Unlike Vista you can dismiss the "activate now" message after logging in and still use the system. I was looking for Win 7 for a guy at work & found OEM versions of Pro for around $80 on ebay.
3123) Message boards : Number crunching : Not Running @ 100% Anymore (Message 1472885)
Posted 5 Feb 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I did some testing on one of my home systems and came to the conclusion that Windows 8.x Task Manager has no idea what it is doing.

At first Task Manager was displaying 2.97GHz & 99% utilization.
http://www.hal6000.com/seti/images/win8_taskman_01.png

So I thought I would overclock a bit and see what it tell me.
Hmmm... Still telling me 2.97GHz... odd.
http://www.hal6000.com/seti/images/win8_taskman_02.png

Well let's try throttling the the clock down a bit.
Still showing wrong clock frequency & now showing 66% utilization.
http://www.hal6000.com/seti/images/win8_taskman_03.png

How they are displaying usage now does make logical sense. "Utilization = % clock cycles used per core * (current frequency / max frequency)". Like many Microsoft things it is also a bit broken.

Restoring the Windows 7 Task Manager seems like the best option to me.
http://www.hal6000.com/seti/images/win8_taskman_04.png
3124) Message boards : Number crunching : AMD 64 Processor - Circa 2005 - Will it crunch? (Message 1472821)
Posted 5 Feb 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
As far as I know there was never a CPU called "AMD 64" Perhaps it is an "Athlon 64"? Either way it will run SETI@home. It just depends on how fast or efficiently.

Perhaps a list of AMD CPU's will help you identify which CPU it might be and to find out what it can do. Also CPUz is a common app that many use to ID a CPU and it's feature set.
3125) Message boards : Number crunching : Gripes and Kudos III (Message 1472797)
Posted 4 Feb 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Would it be possible to get the off-site people to NOT start the outage until 9:00 AM PST? It keeps creeping earlier...(7:30 AM 2day...)

I think it starts when someone gets in the lab and says "oh right it's Tuesday". For a long while it was starting between 8:00 and 8:30AM PST
3126) Message boards : Number crunching : Not Running @ 100% Anymore (Message 1472789)
Posted 4 Feb 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Task Manger in 8.x now displays usage in 0.1% increments, vs 1% as in previous OS's. So if you sort by usage you will see several processes using 0.1% to 0.4%.

I see the same reported 98-99% reported by Task Manger when using Windows 8.x on my test machines. At no point does it ever display 100%. Task Manager also shows the CPU frequency as flopping between 2.74 & 2.77GHz. All other software I use on that machine shows a solid 2.8GHz & a steady load.


My i7-4770 computer is using Win8.1 and shows 100% in task manager, with no fluctuation.
I guess it still could be something strange with Win8 computers?

Thanks

Is the running frequency displayed on the i7-4770 stable and a match for the max frequency with the i3-3220 fluctuating? IIRC it is displayed on the Performance tab to the let of the CPU's max frequency.
I am thinking it might be some kind of issue with how Windows is reading the frequency on older CPU's.
3127) Message boards : Number crunching : Not Running @ 100% Anymore (Message 1472739)
Posted 4 Feb 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I tested doing some settings in power management settings for the processor. If I set it to a max of 75% then Task Manager displayed 74-75%. So it looks like the usage displayed is processor running frequency / max frequency. Which would explain the 98-99%. With how varied the display of current frequency is in Task Manager this all makes sense.
3128) Message boards : Number crunching : Not Running @ 100% Anymore (Message 1472734)
Posted 4 Feb 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Task Manger in 8.x now displays usage in 0.1% increments, vs 1% as in previous OS's. So if you sort by usage you will see several processes using 0.1% to 0.4%.

I see the same reported 98-99% reported by Task Manger when using Windows 8.x on my test machines. At no point does it ever display 100%. Task Manager also shows the CPU frequency as flopping between 2.74 & 2.77GHz. All other software I use on that machine shows a solid 2.8GHz & a steady load.
3129) Message boards : Number crunching : Intel GPU App ready? (Message 1472053)
Posted 2 Feb 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hope, this helps, Raistmer, i very much appreciated your work!

Thanks, finally I got 2 tasks under opencl_intel_gpu_sah.
So it was all GPU-wide limit indeed just as Richard said.
Able to test next app version now.

Having 0 GPU tasks and adding Intel GPU app to this host:

02-Feb-2014 14:29:03 [SETI@home] Sending scheduler request: To fetch work.
02-Feb-2014 14:29:03 [SETI@home] Requesting new tasks for CPU and intel_gpu
02-Feb-2014 14:29:04 [SETI@home] update requested by user
02-Feb-2014 14:29:07 [SETI@home] Scheduler request completed: got 100 new tasks
02-Feb-2014 14:29:07 [SETI@home] No tasks are available for the applications you have selected
02-Feb-2014 14:29:07 [SETI@home] No tasks are available for AstroPulse v6
02-Feb-2014 14:29:07 [SETI@home] Your preferences allow tasks from applications other than those selected
02-Feb-2014 14:29:07 [SETI@home] Sending tasks from other applications

Scheduler seemed very happy to see me.
3130) Message boards : Number crunching : SETI on Radeon 4350 ( R710) GPU ? (Message 1471698)
Posted 1 Feb 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

ok, as so, you recommend me to participate only in astropulse?
but i can also do seti v7 on cpu, not gpu, isn't?


With app_info - definitely yes. White stock apps - I'm afraid project options not flexible enough to allow such config.

Perhaps app_config.xml could be used to prevent MB on GPU for stock apps.

Maybe something like this to run MB on CPU and AP on GPU.
<app_config>
   <app_version>
       <app_name>setiathome_v7</app_name>
       <ngpus>0</ngpus>
   </app_version>
   <app_version>
       <app_name>astropulse_v6</app_name>
       <avg_ncpus>0</avg_ncpus>
   </app_version>
</app_config>
3131) Message boards : Number crunching : What is wrong here? (Message 1471594)
Posted 1 Feb 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
This is a long-existing flaw that doesn't seem to have much priority towards getting fixed. Granted.. I don't think anyone really knows where to start towards finding the logic error in all the lines of code. I've suggested a few times some simple questions that would help guide the search to a specific area rather than "all of it," but I haven't heard anything back about it at all.

Anyway, the scenario is this: _0 and _1 are both given the opportunity to return and report their results by the deadline. If one of them does not, then _2 is sent the task. Before _2 reports their result, the late one from _0 and _1 reports their late result. _0 and _1 validate and then _2 is left in permanent limbo for whatever reason.

Not sure if it is because there isn't logic to see if _2 validates against _0 and _1, or if the files that it needs have already been purged, or what. There's nothing you can do about it though. I think literally everyone with an active machine has at least one WU like this in their task list, and it seems to affect both AP and MB (though I'm not sure if it affects V7?).

I haven't seen this happen with v7... yet.
I think we tend to see this with AP because of the longer amount of time it takes to process them. With MB the _2 can get returned much quicker, even within seconds. Making the chances of the late _0 or _1 getting in a validating less likely to happen.
3132) Message boards : Number crunching : Isn't this task about due to come off the list? (Message 1471425)
Posted 1 Feb 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
That task is one of many that is stuck in la la land. Which we were talking about recently in Wierd validations - tasks stuck in limbo?.
3133) Message boards : Number crunching : Out of ATI/AMD workunits? (Message 1471352)
Posted 31 Jan 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Added a note about 13.1 to the page as well.
3134) Message boards : Number crunching : Intel GPU error (Message 1471349)
Posted 31 Jan 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Anyone know what to write?
Downloaded Mikes latest AP Intel OpenCL 2083 and gets this!

I've updated the app_info as what is written into the aistub file!

2014-01-31 21:51:32 | | OpenCL CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-3570K CPU @ 3.40GHz (OpenCL driver vendor: Intel(R) Corporation, driver version 3.0.1.10878, device version OpenCL 1.2 (Build 76413))
2014-01-31 21:51:32 | SETI@home | Found app_info.xml; using anonymous platform
2014-01-31 21:51:32 | | app version refers to missing GPU type intel_gpu
2014-01-31 21:51:32 | | app version refers to missing GPU type intel_gpu

EDIT: I have no screen attached but GPU Caps Viewer can use the Intel Opencl gpu in it's test and its working!

Kind regards Vyper

No Intel GPU is listed on that machine
3135) Message boards : Number crunching : Machine Down! (Message 1471235)
Posted 31 Jan 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
If you have your UPS connected USB it should wake once power is restored. Unless your UPS does not support sending a wake command.
3136) Message boards : Number crunching : Rescheduling Hosts - Bad Practice (Message 1471232)
Posted 31 Jan 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
And another host for Wiggo's list, one with 1250+ tasks and most of them returning as error: https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/results.php?hostid=7090798

That host has In progress (33) & does not have any aborts. Just a lot of errors. While 20% of their tasks are errors it is better than I have seen on other machines.
3137) Message boards : Number crunching : Show and tell your machine. Here's mine. (Message 1471179)
Posted 31 Jan 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

SETI@home use. However PCIe v3 may be enough bandwidth at x1 now.


Maybe not enough for a top-end card (690, 770+), but might be enough for a mid-level (460) card.


Maybe someone will do a test in different PCIe configurations as was done a few years ago to show the % slow down for running fewer PCIe lanes.


The software tool 'NVidia Inspector' has a Bus Usage monitor which is not enabled by default.

IIRC, one of my factory o/c'd 460's needed about 35% of a pcie v1 x4 slot to crunch 2 version 6 mb's simultaneously. That was on a long gone E8400 C2D system.

Crunching 1 AP + 1 MB today, with the same model of 460 in a pcie v2 x16 slot is using at most 5%, according to the monitor.

Lt

1/16 is 6.25% So in theory your 460 would not see much if any slow down from running in a x1 slot if you are using 5% of the x16 slot.

Which makes those x1 USB cabled PCIe extenders viable here. At least for mid range cards. Perhaps I could see about adding those to a few of my rack systems. As they have x4 and x8 slots, but not a lot of room for GPU's inside them.

3138) Message boards : Number crunching : Machine Down! (Message 1471144)
Posted 31 Jan 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I was living in a place where there were power spikes, rather than power losses or brownouts. It only cost me a few power supplies, a motherboard, and a set of memory before I bought a new UPS.
3139) Message boards : Number crunching : Intel GPU error (Message 1471020)
Posted 31 Jan 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
From that task result.

194 (0xc2) EXIT_ABORTED_BY_CLIENT
<message>
finish file present too long
</message>

I think I have seen a similar messages when Windows decides to restart a video driver. Do you have anything in the windows event log of a driver crash/restart?
3140) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (86) Server Problems? (Message 1470872)
Posted 30 Jan 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
30/01/2014 20:51:18 SETI@home Message from server: Server can't open database

Panic...

Looks like it was only a little hiccup. Around that same time I got these messages instead.
SETI@home 1/30/2014 2:50:52 PM Scheduler request failed: HTTP gateway timeout
SETI@home 1/30/2014 2:51:02 PM Scheduler request failed: HTTP service unavailable
3141) Message boards : Number crunching : Show and tell your machine. Here's mine. (Message 1470775)
Posted 30 Jan 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
This is not my system, but the link was sent to me from the IT Admin at my company, and I had to share it.

http://imgur.com/a/IISox#OeXLhKn

Steve

What is it? Just looking at it I can tell it won't be able to crunch GPU AP WU, they need a lot of CPU help.

Please no vaporware, real machines you have at least touched.

It looks like a tidy setup, but yeah, I'm not sure what its purpose is: the GPUs are only running off PCI Express 4x's also.

It is for coin mining. As the title is "In it for the Ð!" I am guessing Dogecoin. That boards only has 1 PCIe x16 slot the other 5 are x1. I like the look of those PCIe extenders. IIRC running the cards in x1 slots would be a significant slowdown for SETI@home use. However PCIe v3 may be enough bandwidth at x1 now. Maybe someone will do a test in different PCIe configurations as was done a few years ago to show the % slow down for running fewer PCIe lanes.
3142) Message boards : Number crunching : anyone else using a Via C7D CPU? (Message 1470755)
Posted 30 Jan 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
sorry, I really don't follow.

The link you posted for "dinosaur" computers
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/hosts_user.php
will bring up the computers of the one clicking on the link. So when I clicked my computers come up and it as if you were making a look at the monkey in the mirror joke. It is the second oldest trick in the book.

I figure that people just forget about that. As they get accustomed to looking at that page for their machines. Which is why I put in my first message.
Your host list for everyone one else.
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/hosts_user.php?userid=9904294
3143) Message boards : Number crunching : anyone else using a Via C7D CPU? (Message 1470712)
Posted 30 Jan 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Your host list for everyone one else.
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/hosts_user.php?userid=9904294

I don't have one myself. However I was recently looking at their current offerings for a new low powered machine I want to setup. I was also looking into the 8 core Atom for server boards.

I am rather curious as to crunching ability as well.
3144) Message boards : Number crunching : Intel GPU App ready? (Message 1470517)
Posted 29 Jan 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I'm not sure if that GPU supports 1.2, or if a driver update will get you 1.2 support.

It should be just a driver update, But since it's a Dell there may or maynot be a OpenCL 1.2 driver available for a particular model.

Claggy

If Dell does not provide an updated driver. As they just redistribute such drivers for hardware that they don't put their name on.
The two most recent, 15.33.8.64.3345 & 15.31.17.64.3257, from Intel do list OpenCL 1.2 support.
3145) Message boards : Number crunching : Intel GPU App ready? (Message 1470496)
Posted 29 Jan 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
In your Project preferences is Use Intel GPU (Enforced by version 7.2+) set to Yes?
Looking at the project apps it was just published, or updated today.

Also see your machine says "INTEL Intel(R) HD Graphics 2500 (1624MB) OpenCL: 1.01" OpenCL 1.2 is listed as a requirement. I'm not sure if that GPU supports 1.2, or if a driver update will get you 1.2 support.
3146) Message boards : Number crunching : Will BOINC/ SETI run on a Beowulf Cluster ? (Message 1470218)
Posted 29 Jan 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
BOINC uses shared memory. IIRC for the communication between BOINC and the science apps, but I might be off of which part uses shared memory.

A shared memory cluster solution often runs in the 5-6 figure cost range. Even for old used stuff.

Also something to consider. SETI@home has a limit of 100 in progress CPU tasks per host. So with 64 processors your cache would be < 1 day. While 8 separate machines would each be able to have a cache of 100 tasks.

As far as admining several clients. Are you taking advantage of the remote admin abilities in BOINC or using the interface on each machine?
Perhaps some other software like BOINCTasks would be a help to you. I use BOINCView to monitor my machines and then use the built in boinccmd to manage them.
3147) Message boards : Number crunching : Rescheduling Hosts - Bad Practice (Message 1469518)
Posted 27 Jan 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I can see both sides of this. I still have no idea what my two I7's are capable of. When we have AP's the RAC climbs. When no AP it goes south fast. Before ver7 came out I never saw swings of what we see now. I see see swings of close tp 5,000 RAC on my machines. And I just have below middle of the range machines.

I can see why its called credit screw. The name fits 100%.

That being said. I agree with Mark I will run what I get untill this project closes the door.

Before we saw v7 of MB I would see swings of 10-15K of my total RAC. I still see the same swing. I wouldn't say anything has changed there. The only difference is that the numbers are a bit lower now.
3148) Message boards : Number crunching : Haswell CPU Question (Message 1469228)
Posted 26 Jan 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
On my i7-860 machines I was seeing a RAC reduction of only about 4-7% when running 4 tasks at a time vs the machines still running 8 at a time. I left HT on, but was just running less tasks.


The problem is that when a real core is made into 2 by HT, they are not fully independent (they share some of the hardware from the original real core). So certain kinds of code cannot process in parallel. So to some extent, how an app behaves on HT vs. real is somewhat app dependent. If you leave HT on, and two HT cores are on the same real core, you may still get the degradation, even if you are running only 4 threads on a HT CPU that can run 8 (or 12) HT threads.

I think you may want to reread how HT works. One thing to note is that each logical core is tied directly to one physical core. You are right that HT is not an advantage for all kinds of code. It has to do with how often the CPU has to toss away an instruction in it's pipeline because of failed branch prediction. The better the branch prediction the less use HT is.
The results I found in testing SETI@home on the i7-860's was that HT does give you more output, but only a small fraction. As those machines are only doing CPU work they will run 8 at a time. If I were using GPU's in them I would leave the logical cores free to feed the GPU's.

You can start BOINC using the affinity command to tell it which cores to use. So if you wanted to tell BOINC to just use the 4 physical cores in the system it is no problem. Here is an example write up I did a few years ago about that which may be helpful.
3149) Message boards : Number crunching : Rescheduling Hosts - Bad Practice (Message 1468480)
Posted 25 Jan 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
My biggest problem is 100 CPU WU can take 10 days to clear wile 100 small GPU WU only 10 hours. I can crunch CPU WU wile crunching MB GPU WU so I like to have them but if I want to clear my cache and not abort 100 CPU WU it is a problem.


My biggest problem is 700.00 power bills,.
You got an answer for that?

I am sorry for you.
I got 9 rigs, 24/7, that do what you even ATTEMPT to achieve, SIR.\0

I do in one day what some crunchers hope to achieve in their lifetime.
Pretty amazing, eh?\\

It's called dedication, or insanity. Maybe both. :P
3150) Message boards : Number crunching : Haswell CPU Question (Message 1468428)
Posted 24 Jan 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
On my i7-860 machines I was seeing a RAC reduction of only about 4-7% when running 4 tasks at a time vs the machines still running 8 at a time. I left HT on, but was just running less tasks.
3151) Message boards : Number crunching : Still trying to connect my classic account to my new (Message 1468427)
Posted 24 Jan 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I am not sure that they have anyone free to look up old info in such a fashion currently.

Even when classic was the only project the didn't really have the time/staff to look up such things. I had forgotten my original account address and had to create a new one in Sept '99.
3152) Message boards : Number crunching : some tasks are missing! (Message 1468422)
Posted 24 Jan 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
used 'add/remove preoject' several times over the past few days?

No, I did used it. I really don't know what happened.

Hall900 - I succeed to merge only one (biggest) on the existing 5. I guest, the time will do the rest. Is the 4 others will (Seti system refused to merge it because incompatibility ???) be erased automatically when empty? How to be sure that Seti will not put tasks on those 4 ID?

BOINC only assigns tasks to a client when it requests new work. So no worry of the other ID's acquiring new tasks.

The machine IDs will become visible only on your all computers list. Then once after all of the tasks assigned to those ID's have been completed by the others hosts you can choose to delete them if you wish. Like the machine ID 5734573 that is on your list. However you don't need to do anything yourself. You can leave the old ID's there if you like.
3153) Message boards : Number crunching : some tasks are missing! (Message 1468276)
Posted 24 Jan 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
If you are referring to this machine. It is showing 14 tasks in progress with your other machines showing less.

But there are instances where the server will assign a task to you and the client does not receive it. We normally call them ghost tasks and there is a process on the server, which may or may not be currently enabled, that will rend these tasks to you eventually. You may see "sending lost task", or something along those lines, on the client what this happens.
3154) Message boards : Number crunching : Wierd validations - tasks stuck in limbo? (Message 1467684)
Posted 23 Jan 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I do not think the issue with the stuck stats is nearly that bad. IIRC when AP v5 ended there were only a few thousand stuck. Which did get cleaned up in time.

However it require Matt or someone in the lab to write the clean up script & run it a few times. It is a bit annoying to us, but from their point of view probably does not effect the project enough to warrant any action. Given that I have stuck tasks that go back as far as 2010 I wouldn't expect it to happen soon. Unless there was a reliable funding source to fund a person to do random clean up like this for them.
3155) Message boards : Number crunching : Wierd validations - tasks stuck in limbo? (Message 1467666)
Posted 23 Jan 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Those in among the tasks stuck in limbo that for whatever reason didn't get cleared out when they should have been. It happened with the previous version of AP & it is now also clear that it happens to MB tasks as well. I have 22 SETI@home Enhanced tasks stuck in suck odd states.

It does seem to be a general issue with the BOINC server which I would not expect to be fixed any time soon.
3156) Message boards : Number crunching : Tesla K40 not recognized as GPU (Message 1467493)
Posted 22 Jan 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I see the card is being displayed on the details page for that machine. It does look odd that the driver version is not listed.
Checking the tops hosts I see a machine with a K20 "NVIDIA Tesla K20c (4095MB) driver: 320.27 OpenCL: 1.01".
While your machine displays "[2] NVIDIA Tesla K40m (4095MB) OpenCL: 1.01".
3157) Message boards : Number crunching : CPU vs. GPU (Message 1467044)
Posted 21 Jan 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
IMHO current optimal solution would be small checkbox in project preferencies "Process VLAR on GPU". Some projects like Prime-numbers finding one have dozen of such checkboxes for many algorithm flavours. We have VLAR differ from "usual" AR already so such ckeckbox should be technically possible. It should be "opt in" instead of usual "opt out" approach so anyone who want to try VLAR on own GPU has ability to do that. Quite simple and user-friendly.
Why not to do this?...

I have said a few times I wish out project preferences were more like that of PrimeGrid. Able to select select CPU, NVIDIA, OpenCL for each type of data separately. Also they added "CPU SSE3 (normal), CPU SSE2 (slower), & CPU AVX (faster)" under CPU for some types now. So advanced users can simply select the correct the correct type for their system. Seems like something along those lines for CUDA and OpenCL versions would be a good idea here for the default apps.
3158) Message boards : Number crunching : First time joined SETI (classic) (Message 1466813)
Posted 20 Jan 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I can only guess you had a 2nd classic account.
I first signed up for SETI@home I had used a different e-mail address, but forgot the information for it. So I had made a new one September 1999. This is the account I linked to my BOINC account.

With the current state of the classic site there would only 2 ways I can think to find an old account.
By group name
By join date checking each day. As the search on that page no longer functions.

This is provided that you had not selected the hide user name function at the time. As there are MANY hidden user names.
3159) Message boards : Number crunching : First time joined SETI (classic) (Message 1466780)
Posted 20 Jan 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I am pretty sure when you like your classic account to your BOINC one that the date displayed is your classic join date.
As such you can see the number of workunits and CPU time on your current account page.
See here:
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/home.php
or here:
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/show_user.php?userid=1053628

There is a lot of stuff on the classic site that no longer works or seems to have gone missing, but on Free-DC you can see your current join date ranking. Which is a stat I always liked.
3160) Message boards : Number crunching : Boinc log files are to large (Message 1466649)
Posted 20 Jan 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Not having a machine full of GPU's I had forgotten that BOINC only checked the logs on starting. Also I use a "del std*.*" in my .bat for most of my machines & generally give them a reboot once every 2-3 weeks.

Perhaps a scheduled reboot at regular intervals would be appropriate for a high end cruncher in order to keep the log file size down.

While BOINC not constantly keeping track of the log file size is probably a good thing we might be nearing a time when some machines would benefit from checking the size at regular a interval. Perhaps a user option to configure "check/truncate BOINC logs every xx days".
3161) Message boards : Number crunching : Boinc log files are to large (Message 1465853)
Posted 18 Jan 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The cc_config.xml has two options to specify the log file sizes.
<max_stderr_file_size>N</max_stderr_file_size>
<max_stdout_file_size>N</max_stdout_file_size>

The default for each is 2MB or 2097152 bytes.
3162) Message boards : Number crunching : Haswell CPU Question (Message 1465743)
Posted 18 Jan 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have two identical computers doing SAH exclusively. Each computer has a Corsair H80 water cooled I7-4770K (Haswell) plugged into a Sabertooth Z87 mobo feeding two GTX780ti's. Running 5 CPU tasks and 4 GPU tasks simultaneously on each of them.

For the life of me, I can't figure out why one of them maintains a CPU temp of ~50C and the other maintains a CPU temp of ~60C.

I've checked and rechecked the cooler installation and added thermal compound on the hot one and nothing changes.

I've swapped processors and the hot processor stays in the same box.

I'm thinking I have a faulty water cooler. The mobo can't make a processor run hotter, can it? (EUFI settings are identical between them.)

If you are reading the mobo CPU sensor when there could certainly be some variance giving you the different numbers.
If you are reading the CPU thermal sensors then I would suspect that one of the coolers is a bit off. I would first check the power supply outputs. Perhaps one is giving you 12.1v and the other 11.9v. That would cause the cooling systems to preform slightly differently.
3163) Message boards : Number crunching : Haswell CPU Question (Message 1465490)
Posted 17 Jan 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I am using a NZXT Respire T20 with my i5-4670K. With all 4 core cooking at full load Core 0, the hottest, stays in the 61-66ºC range. With a thermal limit of 100ºC I don't see this as an issue. After a 5 min cool down period I drop down to 23ºC w/o speed step enabled.

The i7-4770K has a slightly higher thermal junction limit of 105ºC.
3164) Message boards : Number crunching : List of GPU (Message 1461826)
Posted 8 Jan 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The built in Intel graphics of the newer CPU's can be used these days for GPU processing. Which is something to consider depending on your budget and purpose of your computer.
3165) Message boards : Number crunching : Stop network activity specific days? (Message 1460931)
Posted 5 Jan 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I'm aware it is possible to configure BOINC to allow network activity during restricted times on individual days of the week, but I see no way to prevent network activity on a specific day.

There is the option to globally suspend network activity, but this requires manual intervention to activate/de-activate and as the particular computer in question typically runs unattended for days at a time, some way to configure 'non-network' days would be useful.

If there is currently no way to do this, could this feature be incorporated in a later BOINC release?

Many thanks for any help.

If you mean on a "specific day" like the 12th and 15h of every month then no there is nothing like that. However as it mentioned you can use BOINCCMD to automate any such schedule you wish.
I use one machine to run commands to suspend all of my others on the network. So if there is an announced period that the project will be down I just turn off the network activity for everyone for that time frame.
3166) Message boards : Number crunching : SETI@home Enhanced v6 is now done, finito, kaputt. (Message 1460922)
Posted 5 Jan 2014 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Must keep the thread alive. Maybe we'll get MB v6 back again :-)

hmmm... Maybe
3167) Message boards : Number crunching : 8500gt what os and optimizations (Message 1458900)
Posted 30 Dec 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I am currently running a similar machine myself. You can see how it is doing here.
The GPU in that machine was designed to be fanless. However I did end up attaching a fan to the main heatsink to just to keep the hot air from building up. Which helped it out quite a lot.
3168) Message boards : Number crunching : My all WUs suddenly got abandoned (Message 1455599)
Posted 19 Dec 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

Sadly noting useful that I can see there. Were the tasks still on the system or had BOINC flushed them?


Yes, tasks are still here and if I start Boinc manager it'll start to crunch those.

I'll reset Project and/or install Boinc and Lunatics again and hope the best.

Although it would be nice to know reason behind this if it's avoidable in the future.

Yeah abandoned task on server and still on machine. Sounds like what would happen before. A reset is probably the easiest way to sync the active tasks with your machine. I had 1 machine that would do these every few weeks. Compared with my 30 or so all on the same network with it. It stopped, but now I will be on the lookout again.
3169) Message boards : Number crunching : My all WUs suddenly got abandoned (Message 1455539)
Posted 19 Dec 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Is there anything in your stdoutdae.txt around that timeframe?


Here are lines from stdoutdae.txt near abandon time.

19-Dec-2013 18:02:16 [SETI@home] [sched_op] Starting scheduler request
19-Dec-2013 18:02:16 [SETI@home] Sending scheduler request: To fetch work.
19-Dec-2013 18:02:16 [SETI@home] Requesting new tasks for ATI
19-Dec-2013 18:02:16 [SETI@home] [sched_op] CPU work request: 0.00 seconds; 0.00 devices
19-Dec-2013 18:02:16 [SETI@home] [sched_op] ATI work request: 291043.30 seconds; 0.00 devices
19-Dec-2013 18:03:13 [SETI@home] Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks
19-Dec-2013 18:03:13 [SETI@home] [sched_op] Server version 703
19-Dec-2013 18:03:13 [SETI@home] No tasks sent
19-Dec-2013 18:03:13 [SETI@home] No tasks are available for AstroPulse v6
19-Dec-2013 18:03:13 [SETI@home] Tasks for NVIDIA GPU are available, but your preferences are set to not accept them
19-Dec-2013 18:03:13 [SETI@home] This computer has reached a limit on tasks in progress
19-Dec-2013 18:03:13 [SETI@home] Project has no tasks available
19-Dec-2013 18:03:13 [SETI@home] Project requested delay of 303 seconds
19-Dec-2013 18:03:13 [SETI@home] [sched_op] Deferring communication for 00:05:03
19-Dec-2013 18:03:13 [SETI@home] [sched_op] Reason: requested by Project
19-Dec-2013 18:15:18 [SETI@home] [sched_op] Starting scheduler request
19-Dec-2013 18:15:18 [SETI@home] Sending scheduler request: To fetch work.
19-Dec-2013 18:15:18 [SETI@home] Requesting new tasks for ATI

Sadly noting useful that I can see there. Were the tasks still on the system or had BOINC flushed them?

This seems similar to something that was going on a few months ago for a few select people/machines.
3170) Message boards : Number crunching : My all WUs suddenly got abandoned (Message 1455532)
Posted 19 Dec 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Another reason to use nVidia.

Except this happens with nvidia and CPU's as well.
3171) Message boards : Number crunching : My all WUs suddenly got abandoned (Message 1455480)
Posted 19 Dec 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Is there anything in your stdoutdae.txt around that timeframe?
3172) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (85) Server Problems? (Message 1452991)
Posted 11 Dec 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
One of my units failed with this error.
Long time no see.

</stderr_txt>
<message>
upload failure: <file_xfer_error>
<file_name>22jl08aa.7244.207012.438086664195.12.53_4_0</file_name>
<error_code>-131</error_code>
</file_xfer_error>

That appears to be a problem in the lab.

I had one reported to me privately this morning: now the download servers are working, I've checked the datafile, and it's 411KB in size (instead of the normal 367KB). The extra size is in the <workunit_header> - there are 412 occurrences of <coordinate_t> - and the header alone is 66KB. That's what makes the result file greater than the 64K max_nbytes allowed, and hence your ERR_FILE_TOO_BIG.

I've emailed the lab, and Eric has acknowledged receipt: they're looking into it.

What i find annoying is that our consecutive valid tasks will be reset for something the servers are responsible for.

I don't hold much stock in the application numbers. As an example.
Number of tasks completed 6469
Consecutive valid tasks 6890

More valid tasks than complete... O.o
3173) Message boards : Number crunching : Hyperthreading VS Not (Message 1452789)
Posted 11 Dec 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
If you are doing AP task as well you may wish to make use of an app_config.xml to limit the max number of them going at once. As I found 24 AP at once on my machine bogged it down to the point it was interfering with its main duties. For that system a max of 18 at once seems to be OK.
3174) Message boards : Number crunching : SETI@home Enhanced v6 is now done, finito, kaputt. (Message 1452414)
Posted 10 Dec 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Does that mean I can uncheck the V6 enhanced box in prefferances:)

When they are ready. It will be removed.
3175) Message boards : Number crunching : Hyperthreading VS Not (Message 1452413)
Posted 10 Dec 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Different systems seems to have differing results. On my i7-860's and dual Xeon E5645 I have HT enabled running 8 and 24 tasks at once.
3176) Message boards : Number crunching : SETI@home Enhanced v6 is now done, finito, kaputt. (Message 1449917)
Posted 4 Dec 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Oops..... now 1 task left only
1 tasks in progress now.
4 users in last 24h.

Will we get down to zero, or will it jump up again? Follow this soap opera....

On the next episode of "as the tasks crunch"...
3177) Message boards : Number crunching : why did my original wingmate get credit for this? (Message 1447395)
Posted 27 Nov 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
In basic terms. First two not "close enough to match". Third result weighs in and decides they are "close enough". So credit for everyone.

Also what you see in the Stderr output is not the result data. It is just kind of a summary.
3178) Message boards : Number crunching : If Only (Message 1446568)
Posted 25 Nov 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I am still working toward the toaster. I can't even imagine the amount needed for a flight to space!
3179) Message boards : Number crunching : 4x HD7990 + 2x E5-2630v2 (Message 1441581)
Posted 12 Nov 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I always just stuck a pen or something else handy in the hole when applying paste to my CPU's. Some thermal compound will get down there on its own over time, but to date this has not been an issue for me.
3180) Message boards : Number crunching : Now when is a fair go going to far? (Message 1441580)
Posted 12 Nov 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
It's probably working the way he intended it to.


Unfortunately it isn't doing that. The whitepaper and comments are clear on 'intent', which is fine, but the choices of inputs do not behave in the way described.

When the paper says it should take 1 + 1 and give you 2, but actually takes 1 + 1 and gives you banana there is something askew.

Or as we often call it in the software testing business an "undocumented feature".
3181) Message boards : Number crunching : SETI@home Enhanced v6 is now done, finito, kaputt. (Message 1440243)
Posted 8 Nov 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Sten I hope you will still post after the last one goes though. :)

You want him to post his daily updates with "0 tasks..." and "0 users..." forever?

Yes
3182) Message boards : Number crunching : Putting things into perspective. (Message 1425415)
Posted 7 Oct 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Look on the bright side, you're still eligible for
a toaster.

Sure don't see many of those people here anymore.

I still have not seen the signup for the toaster.

Or there creds required for such and aquisition.

I would be most grateful if somebody wiser than I would give me the toaster page link/.

The last thing you need is a toaster generating more heat around there. :)
3183) Message boards : Number crunching : Costs per Credit? (Message 1422255)
Posted 30 Sep 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Back in '09 I was interested in finding the cost efficiency of my home machines. So I used the power usage & RAC to figure the amount of credit per $1 of electric. It was interesting to see the old Pentium M was nearly as efficient as the newer Core 2.

Intel Core 2 Duo CPU E8400 @ 3.00GHz [x86 Family 6 Model 23 Stepping 6](2 processors)
KWh/Day 3.7440, RAC 1376, $/Day $0.680577, Credit/$1 2021
Intel Pentium 4 CPU 3.00GHz [x86 Family 15 Model 2 Stepping 9](2 processors)
KWh/Day 4.0608, RAC 662, $/Day $0.837633, Credit/$1 790
Intel Pentium 4 CPU 2.40GHz [x86 Family 15 Model 2 Stepping 7](1 processors)
KWh/Day 2.8800, RAC 323, $/Day $0.523521, Credit/$1 618
Intel Pentium M processor 1.50GHz [x86 Family 6 Model 13 Stepping 8](1 processors)
KWh/Day 0.8640, RAC 301, $/Day $0.157056, Credit/$1 1917

Just using some guessing I think my i7-860 machines are closer to 11,000 credits per dollar.
Also I just replaced my old Core 2 with an i5-4670K. As it is getting cooler I will need to get it going and get some numbers.
3184) Message boards : Number crunching : 3 towers one is getting 90% of Astropulse opencl units (Message 1417625)
Posted 19 Sep 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have 3 towers

1) 1090t and 660 nvidia
2) 1035t and (2) 650tis
3) fx8100 and 650ti

Unit 1 has about 100 Astropulse opencl in progress (it churns through them like butter)
Unit 2 has about a dozen
Unit 3 has about 6

If my systems can handle the units why dont I get more???

Because you have to share with the rest of the class!

Also it depends on what units are in the feeder when you ask for work.
3185) Message boards : Number crunching : is it normal for a task to come back all 0s? (Message 1414362)
Posted 11 Sep 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have seen all 0's in the Stderr output before. Just remember that is not the only data being returned & compared. It is just kind of a summary IIRC
3186) Message boards : Number crunching : Welcome to the 14 year club (Message 1414205)
Posted 11 Sep 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
So 14 full years in now. Many more to go I presume.
3187) Message boards : Number crunching : SETI@home Enhanced v6 is now done, finito, kaputt. (Message 1413421)
Posted 9 Sep 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
First, welcome back Mark. Now, I have three that were done on my old machine. They have validated but are being held up waiting for a third man to validate. They have been sitting for a year or more. they are http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/result.php?resultid=2495354846 , http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/result.php?resultid=3137212475 , and http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/result.php?resultid=3141468027 . How do I go about getting rid of them?

1) Those are AP not MB.
2) There is nothing you can do.

For the old AP there was a clean up script of some kind they ran to fix these stuck pending tasks like those. Hopefully they will devise a similar script to clear out all of the stuck error and valid v6 MB tasks as well.
3188) Message boards : Number crunching : SETI@home Enhanced v6 is now done, finito, kaputt. (Message 1413278)
Posted 9 Sep 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
409

Just did one more this morning & it was only a _4. Only 368 to go.
3189) Message boards : Number crunching : Memory & GPU prices are about to go nuts (Message 1411769)
Posted 5 Sep 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Even though the manufacturer says it wont be an impact. I wonder what the retailers will do just to make more profit.

Apparently the whole thing with the hard drives as actually the supply chain people buying up the stock from the manufactures. Then jacking up their prices. Leading to higher retail prices.

However, It is good to find out that the initial reports were wrong.
3190) Message boards : Number crunching : SETI@home Enhanced v6 is now done, finito, kaputt. (Message 1411526)
Posted 4 Sep 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have 2 pending with timeouts in OCT. So unless those are actually completed before their deadline it could be some times before everything gets cleared out.
3191) Message boards : Number crunching : Memory & GPU prices are about to go nuts (Message 1411522)
Posted 4 Sep 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Remember the flooding that caused HD prices to go crazy. Loks like we will be seeing the same for memory too.
http://www.kitguru.net/components/memory/faith/far-east-memory-shipments-on-hold-after-hynix-explosions/
3192) Message boards : Number crunching : SETI@home Enhanced v6 is now done, finito, kaputt. (Message 1409773)
Posted 30 Aug 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
We are down to 1124, but THING1 & THING2 are still at it. Completing a _5 this morning.
3193) Message boards : Number crunching : Threaded number crunching vs real CPU core for each WU (Message 1401085)
Posted 9 Aug 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I was wondering, if it would have a real impact on the RAC, if I would replace my Intel Core i3 540 (2 cores, 4 threads) with an Intel Core i5 760 (4 cores, 4 threads, no hyperthreading)?

Would the i5 crunch the WUs faster than the i3?

IMHO it would, because through i3 hyperthreading, a CPU core would deal with two threads in parallel, by that spreading computing power of one core on two WUs while with the i5, each WU would be computed by a single core with full computing power available.

The 760 does have more actual cores, but a lower clock speed than the 540. The gains of the actual cores might be lost with the reduction in clock speed. Unless you were planing you lock the i5 in turbo. Then it with a doubt be faster.

Previously I was running my I7-860 at home with HT on but only 4 threads. At work I was running 5 i7-860 with 8 threads. With the machines only doing MB my home machine had nearly the same RAC, 80-90%, as the machines running 8 threads. However the machines running 8 threads were always higher. I have not done this same comparison since SETI@home v7 was released.
3194) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (85) Server Problems? (Message 1400272)
Posted 7 Aug 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Juan
I think they are taking the piss. ie amazed at no problems.

Andy

Yep. A bit of the "Everything is working... so something must be wrong!" mentality.
3195) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (85) Server Problems? (Message 1400173)
Posted 7 Aug 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Something must be wrong.

4 service outages now and neither of my rigs have had to hit up their backup projects.

What's the world coming to?

Cheers.

I know. I am scared too...
3196) Message boards : Number crunching : App_info vs app_config? (Message 1398988)
Posted 5 Aug 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
It occurs to me that the <max_concurrent> tag could be used to reserve CPU's/cores for feeding GPU's. Since it indicates that GPU tasks are started before CPU tasks. Then quad CPU dual GPU system running 2 tasks on each card could be set to <max_concurrent>6</max_concurrent>. Freeing up 2 cores while the GPU's are busy and then running more CPU cores when the GPU's are idle.

That´s exactly what <cpu_usage>1.00</cpu_usage> does, reserve an entire core for each AP WU when crunching and leave free to crunch CPU WU when no AP are avaiable. MB uses so few CPU resources to be worry about unless you have a AMD CPU (if that is your case most of the AMD users recomend on the forums to leave an aditional core to feed the GPU)

I use <max_concurrent>6<max_concurrent> because this host have 4 GPU´s so that avoid the SETI run more than 6 AP WU at a time (4 GPU+ 2 CPU). Normaly you don´t need to use it if you have a single GPU host. Unless you have a top GPU (680/770 etc) in most of the cases when you crunch 2 WU at a time you get the best performance (of course you need to test on your particular host to be sure about that)

Yes <cpu_usage> can be used in a similar fashion, but I was thinking about MB instead of AP. Just different ways to do the exact same thing really.
On my 24 core box I use just this:
<app_config>
	<app>
		<name>astropulse_v6</name>
		<max_concurrent>18</max_concurrent>
	</app>
</app_config>

To limit the number of AP that run at once. As 24 AP at a time does make the system sluggish. So when it can get AP work it will run a max of 18 with 6 MB, or any variation depending on how many AP it can snag. I just wish I could limit VLAR like this as well. Since 24 VLAR at once bog the system down too.
3197) Message boards : Number crunching : App_info vs app_config? (Message 1398959)
Posted 5 Aug 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The app_config file is read later and therefore takes precedence.


Therein lies one of the problems that I had. Regardless of what changes I made to the app_info.xml, they were being over-ridden by the app_config.xml.


Just curious, what was in the app_config that was changing your changes in the app_info?


What ever the default for that file was. Regardless of how I configured the count for the GPU tasks, it never took place. Once I deleted both files and re-installed Lunatics and set the counts for Cuda42, Fermi, & Cuda32, everything started working the way it was supposed to. The count for Cuda32 tasks was included in the app_info.xml modifications because I didn't want to lose the work. Still playing with the counts.

There isn't an app_config.xml be default. It would only exist if you created it. Personally I think it makes adjusting the number of task to run easier than scanning though the app_info.xml to find the various values to adjust, but that is just me.


I almost never create a new file unless I know what is going on with it. With that in mind it seems that the file was created on 31 May, 2013 with following settings

<app_config>
<app>
<name>setiathome_v7</name>
<gpu_versions>
<gpu_usage>0.5</gpu_usage>
<cpu_usage>.04</cpu_usage>
</gpu_versions>
</app>
</app_config>


So, are you telling me that I can cherry pick what I want out of the app_info.xml and insert it into the app_config.xml, and then rely on the app_config to make any changes to the general configuration? With what I see here is that all GPU work for v7 will have the same overrides regardless of whether it is for AP or MB, please tell me if I'm wrong. I'm not concerned with the i7/930 machine as it doesn't do AP per se, but on the i7/950, which does primarily AP work, when its available, it would be nice to use.

Hopefully juan's reply got you all sorted out on the app_config.xml. If it didn't there are instructions that give detailed descriptions of what each parameter does.
It occurs to me that the <max_concurrent> tag could be used to reserve CPU's/cores for feeding GPU's. Since it indicates that GPU tasks are started before CPU tasks. Then quad CPU dual GPU system running 2 tasks on each card could be set to <max_concurrent>6</max_concurrent>. Freeing up 2 cores while the GPU's are busy and then running more CPU cores when the GPU's are idle.
3198) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (85) Server Problems? (Message 1397903)
Posted 2 Aug 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Where are you at with the new larger MB tasks? I remember to read about a 4x bundle.

MB tasks 4x times larger. So we can reduce the load on the database.

We were testing the large size wu's on beta, but then I think all focus shifted to v7 apps. Which gives longer run times by doing more science. At the moment the focus looks to be the release of a stock android app. Which was just released, on beta, this week.
3199) Message boards : Number crunching : App_info vs app_config? (Message 1397900)
Posted 2 Aug 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The app_config file is read later and therefore takes precedence.


Therein lies one of the problems that I had. Regardless of what changes I made to the app_info.xml, they were being over-ridden by the app_config.xml.


Just curious, what was in the app_config that was changing your changes in the app_info?


What ever the default for that file was. Regardless of how I configured the count for the GPU tasks, it never took place. Once I deleted both files and re-installed Lunatics and set the counts for Cuda42, Fermi, & Cuda32, everything started working the way it was supposed to. The count for Cuda32 tasks was included in the app_info.xml modifications because I didn't want to lose the work. Still playing with the counts.

There isn't an app_config.xml be default. It would only exist if you created it. Personally I think it makes adjusting the number of task to run easier than scanning though the app_info.xml to find the various values to adjust, but that is just me.
3200) Message boards : Number crunching : Please, rise the limit of 100 GPU WU per host. (Message 1397575)
Posted 1 Aug 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
@Cliff

Even if you have setting 10+10 cache days that makes no diference on the cache in SETI (unless of course you have a very slow host that can´t crunch 100 WU on 20 days... not my case).

Looking only the GPU work, the actual limit is 100 WU per host... that´s the point, in a 2x690 host (not one of the top cruncher) for example that crunches 8 WU each 15 minutes (not shorties of course) that 100 WU cache give only 3 hours of "safe" margin, so each time something happens like the tuesday scheduled manteinance the host empty the cache and run for hours with nothing to do.

Now imagine what happen on a host who crunch 18 WU at a time even faster (12 minutes per WU at most)? In less than 2 hours all gone.

That exactly the opositive on CPU task, even a fast host crunch a WU in about 2 hours, so in a top CPU cruncher (very few of them actualy running SETI) with let´s say 24 cores, a 100 CPU cache last for no less than 8 hours, but most of the fastest GPU crunchers here have 12 or less cores (just look the list of the top hosts) so a 100 WU cache holds for about a 1/2 day or more.

If they realy want to slow down the DB hit´s the best think to do is change the settings of the limits to 50 WU per CPU host not limit the multiple GPU hosts to 100...

As i allways say, somebody forget to balance the things on SETI, 100 WU CPU limit is very big even on multiple CPU hosts. Did you ever see a CPU based cruncher say any complais about that? The same number 100 WU per GPU hosts is to small for the fastest GPU and even smaler for the multiGPU hosts. Some balance must be achieved. And as the new generation of GPU (780+) starts to realy arrive at SETI a 100 cache will be small even for a single GPU host when the new optimized apps where avaiable to the general public.

One last thing, the servers actualy have the capacity to handle the crunched WU normaly crunched daily by the big GPU crunchers, it´s just an adjust to help us to pass the down time, you could say go to a secondary project, even if boinc could handle that, the real problem, the configuration from one project to the other is diferent, so changing a big cruncher from one project to the other is not an easy task as must belive. There are a lot of secondary problems by doing that we could discuss that on another thread(off topic)

My 24 core CPU only box has actually run out on a Tuesday maintenance cycles a few times. It just falls over to a backup project grabs some work and then resumes SETI@home once it is able. So I don't really feel the need to complain about anything in that respect. Letting it run up to 12 AP at a time was helping, but the AP tasks have run dry again for a while.
While I did like the limits they used the first time of per CPU core & GPU better. My desires have no effect on the project needs.
3201) Message boards : Number crunching : Please, rise the limit of 100 GPU WU per host. (Message 1397545)
Posted 1 Aug 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
With the current limits we have been running between 3-4M results out in the field on most days it looks like. So I expect they chose the limits to plan on future grown until they can solve the back end issues. Where the system was meant to stop sending out work once a specific number of results were out in the field.

I would guess they expected the introduction of the v7 apps to give them more time as well to work on the back end issues too. Looking at the data. The number of results is climbing to nearly the same level as before the v7 apps were introduced.

If you really feel the need for your computer to have lots to do constantly. Then I would suggest you configure 1 instance of BOINC per GPU. This will give each GPU its own queue of 100 tasks.
3202) Message boards : Number crunching : UnknownErrorFile: worker.cpp Line 134 (Message 1397000)
Posted 31 Jul 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The error stated of can't open file seems to point to the issue.
worker.cpp is probably the name used in the process rather than an actual physical file on your system.

Stderr output

<core_client_version>6.10.58</core_client_version>
<![CDATA[
<message>
- exit code -5 (0xfffffffb)
</message>
<stderr_txt>
Running on device number: 0
Priority of worker thread raised successfully
Priority of process adjusted successfully, below normal priority class used
OpenCL platform detected: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.
BOINC assigns device 0
Info: BOINC provided device ID used
SETI@home error -5 Can't open file
(work_unit.sah) in read_wu_state() errno=2

File: ..\worker.cpp
Line: 134


</stderr_txt>
]]>
3203) Message boards : Number crunching : SETI@home Enhanced v6 is now done, finito, kaputt. (Message 1396986)
Posted 31 Jul 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
My slowest machine has 40% complete on its last v6 task. With 10,216 remaining out in the field.
One of my 2 servers did get 6 _3's yesterday and pumped them out in short order. However 2 of those 6 are against GPU's that returned very high spike counts. So I expect those two tasks will have to go out at _4's
3204) Message boards : Number crunching : what is your oldest wu's (Message 1396985)
Posted 31 Jul 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Looks line mine is form the same July '10 batch
12 Jul 2010, 15:03:24 UTC
3205) Message boards : Number crunching : SETI@home Enhanced v6 is now done, finito, kaputt. (Message 1394706)
Posted 25 Jul 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Using the values stated in the other postings today it looks like it is dropping ~50-80 an hour right now.
All of the tasks my PIII has are _2 and _3's. Hopefully the remaining tasks get processed instead of getting dumped into the max error pile from to many timeouts.

Send them here, and the kitties shall crunch.

Meow.

But it needs to have something to do! My two IBM servers set for only Enhanced v6 are idle. I could process the tasks there if I wanted to have them done sooner I guess.

Also we may get to see how many stuck tasks there arei n the system. Like this one I have had hanging around since 2010.
3206) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (85) Server Problems? (Message 1394703)
Posted 25 Jul 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
There's a certain type of tasks that I haven't seen for a couple of days now. I refuse to whine and bitch though.

Are you sure?


Almost....:-)

LOL, Sten-Arne.

I have about 240 of your precious still working on my CPUs.

That's between 9 rigs.

They are coming along.....

Meow meow.

Well it can't be AP tasks he hasn't seen. Since 2 of his machines have been getting them everyday for the past week or so.
I think I may have to wait until I finish processing all 267 of the ones I have before I return any of them. :)

What kills me is what Boinc does with AP.

My daily driver has about 10 started. One of which has about 18 hours invested and 98% completed. And yet it goes off on a lark and starts another. Due 8/8.
I don't even want to look at my underachievers....LOL.

Mine were doing that, but I changed my queue vales back to how they were for BOINC 6. So I have Maintain 0 additional 10. With the task limits this is fine since some of my machines are to slow to get 100 task for a 10 day cache.
However they don't have the issue of thinking they will run into a deadline and start other tasks. As the queue "Maintain" value is still used in the BOINC client scheduler as it was when the value was labeled "connect every xx days".
3207) Message boards : Number crunching : SETI@home Enhanced v6 is now done, finito, kaputt. (Message 1394698)
Posted 25 Jul 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Using the values stated in the other postings today it looks like it is dropping ~50-80 an hour right now.
All of the tasks my PIII has are _2 and _3's. Hopefully the remaining tasks get processed instead of getting dumped into the max error pile from to many timeouts.
3208) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (85) Server Problems? (Message 1394680)
Posted 25 Jul 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
There's a certain type of tasks that I haven't seen for a couple of days now. I refuse to whine and bitch though.

Are you sure?


Almost....:-)

LOL, Sten-Arne.

I have about 240 of your precious still working on my CPUs.

That's between 9 rigs.

They are coming along.....

Meow meow.

Well it can't be AP tasks he hasn't seen. Since 2 of his machines have been getting them everyday for the past week or so.
I think I may have to wait until I finish processing all 267 of the ones I have before I return any of them. :)
3209) Message boards : Number crunching : Is it simply the wrong question? (Message 1394679)
Posted 25 Jul 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
And if enough of the harpies write to Dr. A crying that it isnt fair. He just might fix it. But not the way you hope he would.

He might just go back to the old way. Crunch one you get one credit. So your old single core P4 takes 8 hours to crunch one. Thats what you get. While the over clocked 4 cores running HT and two GPUs blast them out like theres no tomorrow. Is that what you want?

So go ahead e-mail Dr. A to your hearts content.

I did prefer the old way of counting tasks and having an average processing time. In the classic days I felt breaking below the 10Hr mark with the volume of tasks I was doing was a great achievement!

He did say something when project admins were initially complaining about creditnew if they had any ideas on how to correct the short term issues he would listen. As there is still an issue with short term credit it would seem no one provided him with sufficient information on how to "fix" it.

<ramble>
When I see people write statements like "computers are faster & should be given more credit" I just shake my head at how silly & invalid their statement is. Faster computers gain more credit by doing more work in a given time than older ones.

I think their original idea of the credit system so that projects could be directly compared to one another was a nice idea. It has snowballed far beyond that. Some projects have opted not to use the new system & others would adjust the amount of credit they paid to attract people. So the credits in scientific terms have less value than the weight of the electrons it takes to store them.

Probably the only way to have a consistent measure of performance across projects would be for science apps to be submitting to the BOINC dev team for evaluation. Then get some sort of value assigned to them. Then a projects credit would be based on the benchmark value of the application which would be assigned by a system in the BOINC dev group.
Right away I can think of several problems that would need to be worked out. So I know it isn't THE answer, but maybe people that know more could use it in some way.
</ramble>
3210) Message boards : Number crunching : SETI@home Enhanced v6 is now done, finito, kaputt. (Message 1394672)
Posted 25 Jul 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have 3 machines still configured to only run v6. An old 850MHz PIII & 2 IBM xSeries 345 servers. The servers I plan to swap out with newer hardware when I have the time to do so, but the PIII I will leave to run v6 until it dies or the count hits 0.

The 2 servers only get 1 task every few days to chew on. The PIII, which takes ~30 hours per task, still has 7 or 8 tasks left, but has not had a new one since the 19th. I expect most of the 15,639 Enhanced tasks are in deadline limbo. Only awaiting to expire so they can be sent out again.
3211) Message boards : Number crunching : Wierd WU - A semi-Vlar? That exist? (Message 1392416)
Posted 19 Jul 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I've had quite a few of those "not quite a VLAR" w/u's and they do take quite a bit longer to process, but other than that they don't cause any other problems.

0.12 I think is where it changes, but someone will correct that I'm sure if I'm wrong.

Cheers.

From about 3 years ago
[svn] r848: "Changed VLAR definition from 0.013 to 0.12 degrees."
So something in the AR of 0.120001 would not even be a VLAR I believe.

With the new way we are looking at the data more tests might need to be run to decide on where the VLAR line falls now.
3212) Message boards : Number crunching : BOINC V6 Configuration (Message 1392413)
Posted 19 Jul 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thanks and apologies to everyone. I've just realised that I probably should have raised this question on the BOINC boards.

I'll have a look there to see if I can find any information.

Rick

Yes it sounds more like a bug to report. "BOINC 7.xx not enabling GPU after RDP session ends. Works in 6.xx"
Unless it has been fixed already. If you only tried 7.0.64 you could grab the latest version & give it a try sometime.

A possible work around might be to configure the system to restart BOINC at the end of your RDP session.
3213) Message boards : Number crunching : Heat wave SHUTDOWN (Message 1392128)
Posted 18 Jul 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
while all of you are baking up there in the northern hemisphere, spare a thought for those in winter "down under", who are trying to dry their laundry on a washing line, in what can best discribed as "mid winter" While today was better than average for the time of year (14c at 3pm), it still takes a while to dry a pair of jeans.

14C - the overnight LOW here was 70F/21C. You might want to hang your laundry on the bathtub shower curtain rod instead of the outside clothsline. Or set up a drying rack near your computer, and use its exhaust heat.....

When it is cold, or I have gotten wet form the rain. I like to stand behind my rack at work. With the machines blowing out air around 45ºC I get warm/dry pretty quickly.
3214) Message boards : Number crunching : Space Saving (Message 1391291)
Posted 16 Jul 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Is the issue that projects are using more space than you think they should or are you out of room on your storage drive(s)?

I set the limits to 1000GB & 100% disk usage & currently am using about 5.5GB total across my 26 machines.
3215) Message boards : Number crunching : Pentium 4 or Pentium D, Which is faster? (Message 1390948)
Posted 15 Jul 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I think the best thing you can do is upgrade the video card. Just make sure you have power supply to power new video card if you decide to upgrade it.

If that Socket 775 board, you could replace the cpu with Core 2 Duo or even Core 2 Quad. It will depend on motherboard chipset.

Unfortunately it looks like their motherboard does not support Core CPU's.

With the 9400GT being speced for ~50w there probably isn't much headroom for a newer more powerful GPU, but something along the lines of s 530 or 630 would probably have a bit more grunt.
3216) Message boards : Number crunching : Pause work if outside temp is over xx degrees? (Message 1389757)
Posted 11 Jul 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
If you know the time of day it generally gets warmer you could just restrict processing for those hours.

My condo starts to heat up around 2 or 3PM when the sunlight comes the corner of the building. Then it lasts until around 8pm at sunset.

So for me I would tell BOINC not to run between 2PM & 9PM.
3217) Message boards : Number crunching : Observation of CreditNew Impact (2) (Message 1386822)
Posted 2 Jul 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I see normal AR tasks now providing the ~100 credits per tasks instead of the 50-80 I was seeing initially. While many of my MB CPU only machines have a RAC that is still falling I imagine this will correct itself in a few more weeks.

Granted the credit system used is still rather broken. Perhaps the BOINC team could get a math major to intern for them or something.
3218) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (84) Server Problems? (Message 1386820)
Posted 2 Jul 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

Been scratching my head lately over the download network traffic. There have been some large surges, and as now some sustained traffic levels, even though there is no AP work going out, no increase in the amount of MB work in progess, nor a decline in the average turn around time.

I have noticed that myself, and was just as curious as you are. With the way v7 runs, I don't know if we shall really see another true 'shorty storm'. And even if we did have a minor one, the effects on the bandwidth would not have such a marked start and stop.

Only guess would be retrieving some information from the servers back to the lab for archiving purposes? Dunno.

Looking at my results shorties are taking about 45% as long to run as normal AR tasks. I expect if we get a bunch of 'tapes' that make nothing but shorties we will be able to tell on the b/w graph.
3219) Message boards : Number crunching : Older Nvidia cards deprecated? (Message 1386819)
Posted 2 Jul 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thanks for the replies, all.

I've got an E@H Persus Arm Survey WU that has about 3-hours to go on that GPU right now, so I hit "reset project" on S@H since that sounds like part of the answer to the problem.

OK - so changing preference to exclued V6 work no longer seems to be an option as the only options that are available for me are the following:

SETI@home Enhanced
SETI@home v7
AstroPulse v6

Just in case SETI@home Enhanced is the "V6" app, I shut that off.

I'll post the results either way.

SETI@home Enhanced contains the 6.xx app version. So that was the correct one.
3220) Message boards : Number crunching : System upgrade (Message 1385933)
Posted 29 Jun 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Good to know on the USB3 front.

I thought the word was that the next generation Ivy-Bridge-E would not be compatible with Current motherboards myself.

I don't see the point in waiting a few moths to find out if the performance gain will be so low!


The gains form Sandy bridge-E to Ivy Bridge-E are small, but anything you get into will be several steps over your current Athlon X2 hardware.
Comparing Sandy Bridge to Sandy Bridge-E there are not a lot of real world gains. Unless you need the extra memory & i/o bandwidth. Which can be useful if you plan to scale up to 3 or 4 high end GPUs.

While the X79 chipset is compatible with both Sandy Bridge-E & Ivy Bridge-E. I am sure not all board will get a bios update to recognize the Ivy Bridge-E CPU's.
3221) Message boards : Number crunching : System upgrade (Message 1385583)
Posted 28 Jun 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Yea the I5 certainly has become very powerful. I have a 4 core Xeon X3430 in another system and even the i5 4570 is probably at least twice as powerful as that. I love progress

Just think how much more an i7 would give me... MOOORRRE POOOWWWEEER!!!!! as the say. ;-)

cheers,

Steven

The i7 does give a bit more. For some the extra expense is worth it.
http://www.cpu-world.com/Compare/436/Intel_Core_i5_i5-4670_vs_Intel_Core_i7_i7-4770.html
It just comes down to what you want. With loading up a GPU the HT might serve a bit better. As it is often suggested to leave a core free to feed the GPU.
3222) Message boards : Number crunching : System upgrade (Message 1385258)
Posted 27 Jun 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Good point about using the savings for another graphics card.

So maybe the 3770 or a 4770 then?

Personally I am looking at replacing my C2D E8400 with an i5-4670. In comparing the choices the extra $100 isn't worth it to me for HT, +2MB of cache, & +100MHz on the 4770K. I feel like the 4670 is a better "bang for the buck".


I am looking at the 4430, just as much bang for the buck and I really only need it to drive the video cards and play games.

I had the 4430, 4570, & 4670 in my sights at first, but the 4570 is only $5 more in the shops. With the 4670 $25 over the 4570 it is a tougher choice. Honestly they are all good choices.
3223) Message boards : Number crunching : System upgrade (Message 1385253)
Posted 27 Jun 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Good point about using the savings for another graphics card.

So maybe the 3770 or a 4770 then?

Personally I am looking at replacing my C2D E8400 with an i5-4670. In comparing the choices the extra $100 isn't worth it to me for HT, +2MB of cache, & +100MHz on the 4770K. I feel like the 4670 is a better "bang for the buck".
3224) Message boards : Number crunching : System upgrade (Message 1385227)
Posted 27 Jun 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
If you are concerned about completion times. Then the quad core with the higher clock rate would probably be the better way to go.

The Ivy Bridge-E chips are suppose to be released in September. Which will use the same 2011 socket as the Sandy Bridge-E you are checking out now.
3225) Message boards : Number crunching : NEW BOINC add-on 'SETIspirit' for SETI@home users (Message 1385150)
Posted 27 Jun 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thanks for your reply.

It is very difficult to write a program which analyzes logfiles from a third party program if many default settings differ. SETIspirit also can't find the needed details in your log file, if you turned off the logging. I think at least the <file_xfer>0</file_xfer> logging must be turned on, maybe you need to turn on more settings.

Best regards,
Dirk

If it wasn't for users then the software would be perfect! :)
Finding issues like this is a good thing for a FAQ or "known issues" document. I will enable file_xfer. The fastest wu is 3 hours form completing. So I will leave work before it is complete.
3226) Message boards : Number crunching : NEW BOINC add-on 'SETIspirit' for SETI@home users (Message 1385131)
Posted 27 Jun 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thanks for the 1.06 update.

Has anyone else had an issue when selecting workunits > statistics? At the moment I get about 800 "6/27/2013 11:18:47 AM - frmStatistics.Form_Load(): 9 Subscript out of range SETIspirit" in the debug log per second if I select it.

Also I get nothing listed when selecting workunits > wu's reported.



Dear HAL9000,

I have analyzed the log file you send me and it seems that your BOINC data directory isn't set right.

So as I wrote to you by e-mail could you please the check your BOINC data directory? Is it really "D:\Download\BOINC" ??? This directory must include the latest stdoutdae.txt file of your boinc client. This is the case, if you hit the "messages" command button of SETIspirit and you can see the latest BOINC events in the messages form.

Is this the case?

If the BOINC data directory doesn't match, exit SETIspirit, delete the SETIspirit.ini file * and start SETIspirit again to point to the right BOINC data directory location.

* C:\Users\<Your Username>\AppData\Roaming\SETIspirit\SETIspirit.ini

It would be nice to hear from you again.
Thanks.

Best regards,
Dirk

Yes on that machine D:\Download\BOINC is the correct path for both data & program.
http://www.hal6000.com/seti/images/boinc_folder.png
http://www.hal6000.com/seti/images/stdoutdae.png
It is very non-standard I know. In my job as a software test engineer I do many non standard things. I use such a configuration as I reimage my computers often. So BOINC is contained on its own place each time & doesn't rely on anything when I start it from a clean OS.

This is an example of why I thought the wu's reported screen was odd.
http://www.hal6000.com/seti/images/ss_106_reported.png

This might be a result of the log flags I have set in my cc_config.xml. Perhaps I have turned off a message you are looking to find? These are the settings I use.
<cc_config>
<log_flags>
<task>0</task>
<file_xfer>0</file_xfer>
<sched_ops>1</sched_ops>
<coproc_debug>0</coproc_debug>
<cpu_sched>0</cpu_sched>
<cpu_sched_debug>0</cpu_sched_debug>
<dcf_debug>0</dcf_debug>
<sched_op_debug>0</sched_op_debug>
<state_debug>0</state_debug>
<http_debug>0</http_debug>
<http_xfer_debug>0</http_xfer_debug>
</log_flags>
</cc_config>
3227) Message boards : Number crunching : NEW BOINC add-on 'SETIspirit' for SETI@home users (Message 1385118)
Posted 27 Jun 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thanks for the 1.06 update.

Has anyone else had an issue when selecting workunits > statistics? At the moment I get about 800 "6/27/2013 11:18:47 AM - frmStatistics.Form_Load(): 9 Subscript out of range SETIspirit" in the debug log per second if I select it.

Also I get nothing listed when selecting workunits > wu's reported.
3228) Message boards : Number crunching : NEW BOINC add-on 'SETIspirit' for SETI@home users (Message 1384315)
Posted 24 Jun 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Starting playing with this last week and look like a good tool.
So far I have only put this on one of my systems. It is showing mostly blank data under project stats. See here.
Looking at the image I think maybe the average numbers are to high as well for that host.
I with my RAC was 3300000. :)
3229) Message boards : Number crunching : At what point does server Flop guesstimates get transmitted to the client? (Message 1384308)
Posted 24 Jun 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Actually the APR does work some of the time as my MB V7 CPU is accurate and the values I had used as flop guesstimates for AP CPU was the APR being reported and while my AP GPU guesstimate was of my own construction it was within 3% of what the APR was for AP GPU was reporting.

MB GPU is a different story altogether, wasn't being computed right for V6 or V7 for my system.

In slightly brighter news two of the five "233 hour" AP WUs and now being processed as "high priority". Maybe the other three are next so the system will think it's OK to fetch more CPU work. The question would be will there be any AP units to fetch if the APR is only transmitted when data for that app is downloaded.

I gave up on the add flops/remove flops thing some time ago. I just leave flops in for the GPU and currently everything is OK. If you remove or remove the value then everything gets all wonky again.
3230) Message boards : Number crunching : Observation of CreditNew Impact (Message 1384176)
Posted 24 Jun 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
RAC went from 80k to 52k and still dropping.

Where is that bottom that they all is talking about?

bj

I'm not exactly sure. I figure that my CPU MB only machines are just going for a visit to the Titanic.
However the dots on the graphs are getting closer. So instead of dropping 7-8% a day it is now only about 2-3%.
3231) Message boards : Number crunching : This is not fair (Message 1384054)
Posted 24 Jun 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Well the good news is that the tapes that were used and got riddled with these errors will not be thrown away. Once the problem gets fixed, at some point in the future, we will run through those tapes once again and get good science out of them.

This isn't the first time something like this has happened, and that's what we ended up doing about it in the past.

As I mentioned before this sort of things has come up before.
It can only be attributable to human error.
3232) Message boards : Number crunching : This is not fair (Message 1383153)
Posted 20 Jun 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I just contacted Eric and he says that the cal_ati app has been deprecated and is not currently active or being distributed.

Which means the hosts that have been using it will crunch up whatever work they have cached, but the servers will no longer send any new work for that application.

I assume that it may be brought back after bugfix and further testing, but Eric did not specifically say that.

He seemed to be rather frustrated with driver version detection issues in BOINC over on beta. So it could be a bit before we see this all released again. If it was due to that kind of issue anyway.
3233) Message boards : Number crunching : Seti spirit (Message 1383033)
Posted 20 Jun 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
It seems they did some hard coding for the paths. You can get around this by making links. You need to make links for both the data & program locations I found. Here are the commands I used for my BOINC locations on D:\.

mklink /j "C:\ProgramData\BOINC" "D:\BOINC_Data"
Success message--> Junction created for C:\ProgramData\BOINC <<===>> D:\BOINC_Data

mklink /j "C:\Program Files\BOINC" "D:\BOINC"
Success message--> Junction created for C:\Program Files\BOINC <<===>> D:\BOINC

I expect you may need to run command prompt as admin. I did not try it the other way as I always run command prompt as admin.
3234) Message boards : Number crunching : This is not fair (Message 1383023)
Posted 20 Jun 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
This would be the same as the issue where a CPU task it processed & uploaded. The wingmate is a nvidia GPU that trashes a workunit recording 30 spikes and flagging it with -9 overflow. Then it gets sent to a 3rd host on a nvidia GPU that proceeds to do the same thing. So the two nvidia results matched up and the one good CPU result is flagged as invalid.

When this was first noticed, a few years ago iirc, there was a suggestion that something be implemented so specific hardware/software would get flagged and the task sent to something different. So that valid science data could be collected instead of tossed into the bin.
However that would add a lot of complexity to the server backend. Which is already rather complex.
3235) Message boards : Number crunching : v7 issues on very old cruncher (Message 1382261)
Posted 17 Jun 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
<snip>


I currently have 51 tasks in progress. With 23 of them assigned today.
They are all resends, but those boxes are slow so they have full queues. With their slower processing rate I don't expect to change them over for a few months.


Agreed, but as time goes forward getting any will get progressively harder. Especially since the new app can crunch them as well as v7.

One bright side though, I don't think any of your old timers got bit by the CMOVE illegal instruction incompatibility issue like my K6's have. ;-)

The oldest bit of kit I am running right now is a PIII. So even if the code doesn't get changed I think I should be OK. That machine will have to go to the stock app when I change it over. So I shall see how it goes when it is forced to change over.
3236) Message boards : Number crunching : v7 issues on very old cruncher (Message 1382252)
Posted 17 Jun 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The only problem is the only MBv6 work is going to be what's left in the field, so once that's gone that's all she wrote.

@Eric: And Athlon or later for AMD.

I have 3 machines that I haven't moved over to v7 & after two weeks they are still filling up with v6 tasks.


Better look closer.

I checked all the SAH_enhanced tasks on all of your machines, and you currently have 36 showing. Of the ones in progress, all are resends.

I'm pretty sure there are no SAH_enhanced WU being split anymore.

I currently have 51 tasks in progress. With 23 of them assigned today.
They are all resends, but those boxes are slow so they have full queues. With their slower processing rate I don't expect to change them over for a few months.
3237) Message boards : Number crunching : v7 issues on very old cruncher (Message 1382241)
Posted 17 Jun 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The only problem is the only MBv6 work is going to be what's left in the field, so once that's gone that's all she wrote.

@Eric: And Athlon or later for AMD.

I have 3 machines that I haven't moved over to v7 & after two weeks they are still filling up with v6 tasks.
3238) Message boards : Number crunching : Observation of CreditNew Impact (Message 1381095)
Posted 14 Jun 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
It always strikes me as kind of annoying when folks can not be bothered to string a few words into a sentence and simply post "+1". Is it laziness or an educational issue ?

+1


Just as it strikes me as annoying when a person replies and then quotes after, which makes me think "is this person a bit backwards?", but then most of us can live with it even though it can be frustrating.

Anyway there will be plenty of us doing the science whether you want to go on strike or not for better pay. :-P

Anyhow back to crunching.

Cheers.


Crap, if they paid me well enough, I might just be able to buy that Seti toaster some have dreamed of...
I know I have.

I recently got a new toaster. One side of it doesn't seem to work right all the time. In that you push it down and it just pops back up like it is done. So you have to hold it half way until the coils warm up and then can press it down to lock it for normal operation. Other times it will lock down and then pop up in the middle for under done toast.
I was going to return it, but I normally only make 2 slices of toast, instead of 4, & the other side works normally.
Based on its random behavior I have started calling it my BOINC toaster.

Creditnew has issues. Some project admins have decided not to implement it due to the issues. The creator of it admits it has issues & has, at one point, asked if anyone had any ideas on how to fix the issues.
Since it has not been changed I can only surmise that no one has made a good enough suggestion on how to change the credit system.
3239) Message boards : Number crunching : Observation of CreditNew Impact (Message 1380838)
Posted 13 Jun 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
OK, let's try it this way.

Say the US$ is the gold standard, and is the GFlop - the actual 1 billion floating point operations my computer has done. They are factual, and could - conceptually - have been counted.

Say I do 100 billion operations for SETI , and SETI pays me in my local currency - GBpounds. At today's exchange rate, I get 64 pounds for my $100 of flops.

But I could have done my 100 billion Flops for a project which pays in Zimbabwean dollars. It would have paid me 36,190 Zimbabwean dollars - again, at todays exchange rate.

So, after two days of work, I have 64 GBP and 36,190 ZWD

According to David, and to you (sorry, nothing personal) all foreign currency is the same. So when I take my earnings to a US bank, I'm handed $64 plus $36,190, or 36,254 US dollars. The claim is that I've contributed 36.254 TFlops to science. IT'S NOT TRUE. Count them - I only did 200 GFlops of work.

A very good explanation.
3240) Message boards : Number crunching : Observation of CreditNew Impact (Message 1380795)
Posted 13 Jun 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
William wrote:
...
Anybody care to dig out a CPU only machine and compare?

As a partial indicator, the APR's for host 6848434 and host 6894117 for stock v7 are slightly higher than they had for stock v6. Both are i7-2600 machines running Win7 SP1 so will be getting better performance from v7 since it includes AVX routines and uses FFTW 3.3.3 (which also uses AVX on such systems).
                                                                   Joe

Thanks Joe - I was trying to check RAC development on CPU only hosts. But no matter which one I pull out thay all reset their stats in BoincStats making it impossible to compare CPU V6 and V7 RAC :(

Besides my GPU v7 APR is about half of my v6 APR - not a third ...

You can see the comparison on FreeDC. As their stats were not reset.
I was doing that recently for 6417013. Which changed from 15-18k/day to about 6-7k/day.
3241) Message boards : Number crunching : V7 VLARs & Kepler GPUs? (Message 1380435)
Posted 12 Jun 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
As I am still sporting an 8500 GT a VLAR is pretty bad on it.
3242) Message boards : Number crunching : V7 VLARs & Kepler GPUs? (Message 1380412)
Posted 12 Jun 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Some higher end cards can handle the VLAR tasks without issue. However it would seem there is a majority that can not. Having an opt-in/out mechanism would be nice, or some way for BOINC to run few instances when VLAR tasks are present. The later I would like to see implemented for CPU tasks as well. As during a VLAR storm running 24 at once on my server slows it down to the point I have to suspend BOINC to do get anything done.


Just curious, what is the percentage of processors set at for your server?

100% so 24 tasks at once.
Which is fine for normal tasks & a mix of VLAR and normals tasks, but 24 VLAR tasks is rather hard on the system.
That machine is just running MS ISA Sever at the moment. Which isn't to heavy of a load even when we are doing a lot in the lab. If I need to do anything on the box itself I normally just suspend BOINC. If there are a lot I may suspend VLAR tasks until it is time to go home.
Also I don't run AP on that box as 24 of them at once is a bit painful for the box as well. As we now have app_config.xml to use. I have considered running AP on that box, but limiting it to 10 or 12 AP.
Talking about running AP tasks on that box made me think of a possible solution. If the VLAR tasks were flagged as a separate app then limiting the number of VLAR tasks at once on devices could be done. That could be a solution for GPU's that can handle 2 or 3 normal MB tasks, but should maybe only run 1 VLAR tasks at a time.
3243) Message boards : Number crunching : V7 VLARs & Kepler GPUs? (Message 1380265)
Posted 12 Jun 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Some higher end cards can handle the VLAR tasks without issue. However it would seem there is a majority that can not. Having an opt-in/out mechanism would be nice, or some way for BOINC to run few instances when VLAR tasks are present. The later I would like to see implemented for CPU tasks as well. As during a VLAR storm running 24 at once on my server slows it down to the point I have to suspend BOINC to do get anything done.
3244) Message boards : Number crunching : Observation of CreditNew Impact (Message 1380044)
Posted 11 Jun 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
It's very easy to vent about it on the forums here. Chances are very high that Dr. Anderson doesn't read it anyway. I've yet to see the first person post that he's emailed Dr. Anderson personally. I've yet to see someone post about it on the BOINC development email list.

All of the people flaming Dr. Anderson in this thread, when will you email him? Go on, see if he cares then.

http://www.setiusa.us/showthread.php?2415-BOINC-DA-admits-CreditNew-is-really-a-random-number-generator
3245) Message boards : Number crunching : Event log question (Message 1380035)
Posted 11 Jun 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I prefer to just use the older manager. I personally like the manger from 6.10.48. Which I have been using since they buried the messages tab into event log in 6.12.xx.
3246) Message boards : Number crunching : Observation of CreditNew Impact (Message 1379901)
Posted 11 Jun 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I do hope Dr. Anderson is losing a bit of sleep these days wondering why his CreditScrewed disaster is not working. Especially on Boinc, his pet project.

And perhaps wondering where in the devil he went wrong.

I understand this was a major change in the work and applications being used on this project. But his algorithms should have been better prepared for an event like this, perhaps.

Trying to track how much computational work a machine has done in a day is a fine idea. However when the result of the tracking mechanism shows a machine, that processes more or less 24/7, changing as much as 40-50% a day. Then it appears as though something is wrong with the mechanism.
3247) Message boards : Number crunching : What has your RAC done......since..... (Message 1379552)
Posted 10 Jun 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Back in the olden times they thought the sun revolved around the Earth & had the maths to back it up.
I would categorize Creditnew the same as these early astronomers calculations. It may work on paper, but in reality something is a bit wrong.

Ok, to take that picture - the therory is meant for the sun to revolve around the moon (*) and the calculations make Earth revolve around Jupiter.

(*) somebody took a theory in which the Sun revolves around the moon and tried to make it fit to data which match the sun revolving around earth.

I had not heard of that one.
I was thinking of the Greek geocentric model that went Earth, Moon, Mercury, Venus, Sun, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn. That might not be the exact same geocentric model that had the math to go with it.
I was just trying to state how math, while the equation may be correct, can still give you the wrong answer.

Personally I like how PrimeGrid counts the tasks I do. If I get 1 credit or 10,000 I know I have done N tasks in a given time.
3248) Message boards : Number crunching : What has your RAC done......since..... (Message 1379402)
Posted 10 Jun 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Back in the olden times they thought the sun revolved around the Earth & had the maths to back it up.
I would categorize Creditnew the same as these early astronomers calculations. It may work on paper, but in reality something is a bit wrong.
3249) Message boards : Number crunching : What has your RAC done......since..... (Message 1378025)
Posted 7 Jun 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Everything seems normal to me thus far.

Random number generator is generating random numbers.
3250) Message boards : Number crunching : v7 issues on very old cruncher (Message 1374472)
Posted 31 May 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
For WinXP/2k 512MB was about the sweet spot, 256MB was generally considered the minimum for reasonable performance.

That was called sweet spot when almost nobody could afford more than that, the actuall sweet spot for 32bit WinXP is somewhere between 2-3GB. Sure, it was less before, but 512MB wasn't enough for XP long time before Vista came out. I have 2GB in my Laptop, can't say that's more than I need, I'm often over 1.5GB and almost never below 1GB under normal operation. Of course, for a dedicated single core cruncher 512MB should be enough.

An old PIII I use at work has 512MB, but just sitting there crunching it is at 112MB used. So 128MB seems to be just fine for a box to sit in a corner and chew on some work.
I do have an old Pentium 200 MMX machine I keep wanting to get going, but is a mini desktop with a nonstandard size AT PSU. :/
3251) Message boards : Number crunching : Now that v7 has rolled out.......... (Message 1373777)
Posted 30 May 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
As most of my machines have 7 or 8 day caches with 100 tasks, & are downloading resends, I don't expect to run out of work before the next lunatics release.
Perhaps some of my faster machines will run out & flip over to PrimeGrid for a bit, but that is OK with me. Keeps the details page on my machines from getting junked up with stock app info.
3252) Message boards : Number crunching : x32 or x64 for SAH & AP? (Message 1372788)
Posted 28 May 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have found this with my systems.
i7-860 machines run best on the 64-bit SSE3 app.
E6400 & E6300 machines run best with SSSE3x app.
E5645 server seems run best on the SSE3x app.

I am not running any GPU's on those systems. Your mileage may vary.
3253) Message boards : Number crunching : "While processor usage is less than __ percent" doesn't work (Message 1370580)
Posted 22 May 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
well the writing looks like it's Russian or some where near there on the graphic not that I looked at his flag or know what country it repesents


When you mouseover the user flag it states the country.

Which of course means nothing as it is changeable by the user as often as they want.

I assume the people that do that have no idea where they are. Perhaps they have been sucked into a black hole or something of that nature.
3254) Message boards : Number crunching : "While processor usage is less than __ percent" doesn't work (Message 1370432)
Posted 22 May 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
well the writing looks like it's Russian or some where near there on the graphic not that I looked at his flag or know what country it repesents


When you mouseover the user flag it states the country.
3255) Message boards : Number crunching : Coming towards the end of an era in the top 100 machines (Message 1370290)
Posted 21 May 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Almost all of my 295s have succumbed to old age and hard work. I have 1-1/2 left running in a rig with two of them, of which one has lost a GPU core.

My best rig used to sport a pair of them, but, they have passed on.

Meow for the 295s!!

Pours out a 40 of thermal compound..................................................................................
..................................................................................................................................
..................................................................................
for the GPU's that are no longer with us.

It is good to see the progress of newer hardware. The servers are not as happy I am sure, but we can blow up that bridge when we come to it.
3256) Message boards : Number crunching : "While processor usage is less than __ percent" doesn't work (Message 1370111)
Posted 20 May 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
60ºC is OK for i3-350 CPU. By design thermal limit is 90ºC.

I was about to say the same thing, ran such a CPU for a year, also during summer. And if you want it to be cooler, just add a better heat sink + fan. The stock Intel fan can do the job, but it's much better to add an aftermarket fan.

In general, that is a hard thing to do with a notebook.
3257) Message boards : Number crunching : "While processor usage is less than __ percent" doesn't work (Message 1370069)
Posted 20 May 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
By "BOINC uses the processor" do you mean boincmgr.exe and boinc.exe
or do you mean the SETI apps (setiathome_6.03_windows_intelx86.exe)?

Yes, I mean the SETI apps (setiathome_6.03_windows_intelx86.exe) that manages BOINC.

The problem is that I use a laptop, and BOINC settings are such that the processor has a temperature of just under 60 degrees centigrade. Therefore, the launch of another application with a significant resource consumption should lead to stopping BOINC, in order to prevent an overheating of the processor.

60ºC is OK for i3-350 CPU. By design thermal limit is 90ºC.
3258) Message boards : Number crunching : How I stopped worrying, and learned to love the saw tooth pattern.... (Message 1369099)
Posted 17 May 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I actually do average my RAC on my machines by pulling the data from statistics_setiathome.berkeley.edu.xml.



Yay, how I can do that?

I read the statistics_setiathome.berkeley.edu.xml file and pick out the values for <host_expavg_credit></host_expavg_credit> & I count the number of records to get the number of days.

There are probably better ways to do it, but I am just doing it with dos .bat scripting.
3259) Message boards : Number crunching : How I stopped worrying, and learned to love the saw tooth pattern.... (Message 1368918)
Posted 17 May 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I actually do average my RAC on my machines by pulling the data from statistics_setiathome.berkeley.edu.xml.

3260) Message boards : Number crunching : How I stopped worrying, and learned to love the saw tooth pattern.... (Message 1368710)
Posted 17 May 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
RAC(Recent Average Credit) is calculated very simply. Credit on the other hand uses a random number generator.
3261) Message boards : Number crunching : running more than 1 unit on gpu (Message 1368708)
Posted 17 May 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
As you are using the stock apps I am guessing you want referring to the app_config.xml.
3262) Message boards : Number crunching : ASUS MB Owners (Message 1367603)
Posted 13 May 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Let MemTest86 run at least 6 passes, you may get 2 or 3 passes without any errors but as the test continues the memory will warm up more and this is where errors may occur.

Cheers.


It has finished 6 passes with NO Errors so far , I will let it finish the 7th pass just to make sure...
It is almost 3/4 done with the 7th pass anyway.
This is really starting to be frusterating .
Something is causing this problem...

EDIT:
Ok , The screen shows 3 hrs and 40 min , Pass 8 , error 0 .

I guess that means it is on the 8th pass now... With NO errors so far.

This is with the old ram still in PC.

Not the NEW Ram...

I'm at a dead end...
I'll talk to Corsair tech tomorrow and see what I can do then...

I am running a memory test on some memory that was flagged as being bad by one of my other servers. As I replaced the pair and didn't mark which DIMM it was want to find the good one. However after running a memory test on it for the past week the software hasn't flagged the memory as bad yet.
3263) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (83) Server Problems? (Message 1366459)
Posted 10 May 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Did I miss a note earlier, or am I the first to mention here that a 7th pfb_splitter is now online?

As of this writing, ~290,000 MB and 0 AP ready to send.

As of the 10 May 2013 16:00;34 Status Update, there were, indeed, 7 pfb-splitters shown and "Running", but only 6 were splitting MB. pfb-splitter 0 may still be in "proof" testing, or splitting for Beta.

Beta has its own status page. So I don't see why they would start a splitter for beta and put it on the main project status page.

Oddly enough beta seems to still be running mb splitters instead of pfb.
3264) Message boards : Number crunching : Mini LAN PC? (Message 1366317)
Posted 10 May 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
You could use PXE to boot an OS from a networked machine. Most NIC's I see these days for normal desktop systems can be configured for this. In the event you find hardware that doesn't support it you could maybe use a small flash drive to boot from and then load your preferred network OS image. I would expect many of the Intel Atom & AMD APU boards would support this. You can download the manual for the board to verify.

Another option would be to use a bootable CD/DVD or flash drive to load up your preferred OS. Then map a network drive to your networked machine for a working directory.

BOINC only writes to the local disc at intervals, IIRC the default is 60 seconds. So I would not expect disc activity to effect it much. I have BOINC on the same drive as all of my OS ISO images at work. With several machines pulling data to install OS's at the same time I have not seen any issues with BOINC on it.
3265) Message boards : Number crunching : Recommendations for HD 6870. (Message 1366121)
Posted 9 May 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

Yes, I realised at work, this morning that XP was going to limit my choices and I'd be looking at something like the same Cat Suite I'm currently running (11.12) on my 4890, and I also had problems with the later Cat 12's drivers. I'm running quite an old version of SDK on the 4890...so I'd better look at running something a little less ancient!

It is also looking increasingly likely that before too long, I'll have to commit to something like Win7 64 bit....maybe dual-boot using a second drive, to keep the capability of still running all my XP32 progs. A pity in a way, as XP Pro has proved to be extremely stable for me.



I havn't found a program yet that I ran on XP that won't run on Win7 (both 32 & 64 bit) so you should be fine. ;-)

Cheers.

Sometimes Windows7, or Vista, may prompt with a message saying something like "This application has known compatibility issues, are you sure you want to use it". I just check the box for don't tell me thing again and hit yes. Otherwise I also haven't had any issues running apps.

However the 64-bit OS's will no longer run any 16-bit applications. So if there are some old 16-bit apps you are fond of you would need to dual boot for that purpose. Anther option would be to use a VM or something of that nature.
3266) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (83) Server Problems? (Message 1366050)
Posted 9 May 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Do not be disturbed. The reason(s) that the Cricket graph is relatively low is because (a) AP units ready-to-send is zero, (b) the flurry of "shorties" has passed, thankfully, and (c) the Berkeley Boys are not currently pushing data from the offices at the top of the hill to the "co-location" on main campus.
This goes to show that if the SETI endeavor were still only MB (that is, no AP application), the bandwidth of the old connection was just barely adequate to do the job.

One or two years ago when just normal AR MB tasks were going out the 100Mb connection was sufficient. With bandwidth generally between 60-80Mb. The addition of higher computer power does seem to fit with the higher "base load". With more and more powerful hardware coming out it will be interesting to see how it reflects on the bandwidth. The implementation of larger workunits will also be interesting to see.
3267) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (83) Server Problems? (Message 1365830)
Posted 8 May 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
All is working well here at present, although Boincstats still has not received a stats dump since Monday.

Perhaps it will kick off at the usual time this afternoon.

The dump files are still currently dated Monday "06-May-2013 16:19". So in a few hours we shall see if they are updated.
3268) Message boards : Number crunching : Rejecting/Avoiding VLAR on an Intel i486 DX4-S/100? (Message 1365827)
Posted 8 May 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Ok, it's now at around 33% being 1057 hours into the WU. This is not working. I'm thinking that maybe even a shortie wouldn't make it for the deadline it'd be given.

Damn. :(

If someone gets the resend sent Friday and sits on it. Then you might still make it.
A Normal AR task might finish within the 7.5 weeks, but it looks like a VLAR's wouldn't be able to reliably make it in time. :(
3269) Message boards : Number crunching : Recommendations for HD 6870. (Message 1365750)
Posted 8 May 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I am using CAT 11.12 with my HD6870. I did try some of the CAT 12.x drivers, but ended up going back. As I was having some weird playback issues when using VLC. Some kind of dropped frames or stuttering. I haven't bothered with any newer ones since.

The current apps are built on SDK 2.6. So until that requirement changes I probably don't bother looking at the newer drivers.
I figure if it isn't broke, don't fix it.
3270) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (83) Server Problems? (Message 1365437)
Posted 7 May 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Okay, panickers, what say you now?

MB ready to send is now upward of 245,000, still with only 6 splitters running. (FWIW, AP ready to send is about 2,000 with all its splitters running.)

Can we still say the MB/PFB splitters can't keep up with demand? Or is something else going on that's been causing the ready number to be so low recently?

Not convinced. They had real problems when (a) no AP was available, and (b) the MB work was mostly shorties. They are keeping up now with a better ratio of long/short MB tasks and the AP tasks. For example, I've received 364 tasks in the last 24 hours per BOINCTasks (staying at limits for the period). That number was ranging from 700 to 800 when we got almost all shorties, no AP, and the ready to send was depleted. Maybe there was a fix, but I'll wait and see.

I am wondering if they were perhaps stress testing the new pfb splitters. Then again it could have been since the number of results & wu's to purge had reached such a large number the creation rate was being limited to prevent the db choking again.
3271) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (83) Server Problems? (Message 1365119)
Posted 6 May 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Sorry guys. I'm getting all the WU's right now.
5/6/2013 9:00:12 AM SETI@home Scheduler request completed: got 79 new tasks

That was one of my machines first request after getting "Not requesting tasks: project is not highest priority" all weekend and running down its queue. I have to saw BOINV 7 can really be pants about work fetch. Giving it didn't even check the 2nd project since the 30th of last month.
3272) Message boards : Number crunching : Over 100% Complete Android (Message 1365117)
Posted 6 May 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I saw that a few times, but wasn't sure if it was my old phone or the app doing it. I restarted my phone or the app and after the next checkpoint it corrected itself.

However the author of the app(s) might still be monitoring this thread: Seti android app.

If not you could submit a bug report on their website.
3273) Message boards : Number crunching : Log/Tracking Tool (Message 1365115)
Posted 6 May 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
For some time I have been wanting to do something like this as well. Sadly I have not got around to it. It would be nice to have something to look at when I see one of my 5 i7-860 machines suddenly climbing in RAC when the other 4 are not, or when an obviously slower machine overtakes a faster one.
3274) Message boards : Number crunching : Can't install "x41zc" - no instructions?? (Message 1364017)
Posted 3 May 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Why I am running Lunatics 0.40 release, cpu and gpu. It works. Software without installation instructions does not work, obviously.

Using the optimized applications is targeted for the "advanced user" I would say. The installer packages they put a lot of work into helped branch out to less advanced users.

The updated apps released without installers are more along the lines of "advanced user" & the documentation provided with them reflects as such. If you do not feel comfortable with the level of instructions provided with the releases. Then the best option for you is to wait until the next packaged installer release.

The application obviously works & there are a number of people willing to assist in getting it up and going.

If you do want to use it you might want to try "I'm having trouble getting '_____' to work" instead of "This @$#&! doesn't work". I'm sure the later is not appreciated by those that spend their free time releasing these apps for us.
3275) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (83) Server Problems? (Message 1362900)
Posted 30 Apr 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
It is a game of hungry hungry hippos right now it would seem. With my 24 core box reporting a 3 hour queue it looks like it will be doing some PG work today once maintenance starts.
3276) Message boards : Number crunching : OpenCL apps are available for download on Lunatics (Message 1362892)
Posted 30 Apr 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
One shouldn't take XP support quite so lightly around here. From what I understand, someone around here is about to release software that doesn't support XP. As for Raistmers' new AP App, not only does it support XP, it also still supports my ATI 4670 in XP. Soon, you will see threads about missing XP support...

XP will be dropped for stock app. We can't load our undermanned SETI staff with support that AMD itself already dropped completely. They refuse to do anything (uninstall utility for example) for XP. As for HD4xxx btw.
So, we will try to keep XP compatibility while it will cost not too much. But after only already released binaries will remain...

When XP support is dropped, will we be allowed to Merge our XP Hosts to a different machine? I already tried to merge the XP from my Mac to a Windows PC, it didn't work. I will not be buying another version of Windows for my old Mac. So, I would of liked to have transferred the Host to a real Windows PC. Or even better, when OSX GPU Apps are finally released, merge my Mac' XP to OSX Lion on the same machine, that would work...for me :-)

You can not merge dissimilar hosts. However you can move your data to a new machine if you wish to maintain the machine ID.
3277) Message boards : Number crunching : OpenCL apps are available for download on Lunatics (Message 1362498)
Posted 29 Apr 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thanks for including XP in your new App.

What!? We get experience points crunching with OpenCL apps. Can I level up my Seti skill and crunch faster? :p

Yes we do. After a given amount of time you can unlock the Epic Power Bill achievement.
3278) Message boards : Number crunching : Memory Upgrade (Message 1361541)
Posted 26 Apr 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
HAL9000 - I like the 2nd suggestion. Need to putting any spare nickels & dime into the kitty.

http://www.corsair.com/en/memory-by-product-family/dominator/dominator-gt-1-5v-8gb-ddr3-memory-kit-with-dhx-pro-connector-and-airflow-2-fan-cmt8gx3m2b2133c9.html

Jravin -- I always suspend GPU processing when watching DVDs or movies on line because I get errors if I don't. HATE ERRORS.

That is a dual channel kit so if you were wanting to go to 12GB for both machines that would be $435 for 3 kits vs $330 for 2 of the triple channel kits. Using their MSRP pricing.
You could just get 2 of the 8GB kits and run dual channel. Then later get a 3rd to go back to triple channel and build them out to 12GB.
3279) Message boards : Number crunching : AP Optimized r555 vs r1797 (Message 1361532)
Posted 26 Apr 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
couldn't someone just put an extra large number in there and use that to get more ap work (i know the 100wu per physical cpu will apply)

You can put whatever you want in there. However you may run into -177 errors initially. After a while the your DCF may be adjusted to correct for the value, or if also doing CPU tasks it will bounce around all over the place.
In the end a drastically off number is a disadvantage for you.
3280) Message boards : Number crunching : Memory Upgrade (Message 1361416)
Posted 26 Apr 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
By "upgrade" are you intending to increase the amount of RAM, get faster ram and try to push it past 1600, or possibly both?


All three if possible, but I'm kind of squeamish about o/c'ing./ But to use 3-channel on this board, I think I'm limited to 3 sticks.

With having only 4 slots it looks that way. The EXtreme Memory Profile you you are using now is sort of overclocking, but within the specs the memory manufacture deemed to be OK.

If you are a fan of your current Corsair memory.
They do have a 12GB kit that looks to be a direct upgrade.
http://www.corsair.com/en/memory-by-product-family/dominator/cmp12gx3m3a1600c9.html

If you wanted to try faster seeds you could get 3 dual channels kits for your two machines. Something like these kits may be worth considering.
http://www.corsair.com/en/memory-by-product-family/dominator/dominatorr-gt-with-dhx-pro-connector-and-airflow-ii-fan-8gb-dual-channel-ddr3-memory-kit-cmt8gx3m2a1866c9.html
or
http://www.corsair.com/en/memory-by-product-family/dominator/dominator-gt-1-5v-8gb-ddr3-memory-kit-with-dhx-pro-connector-and-airflow-2-fan-cmt8gx3m2b2133c9.html
3281) Message boards : Number crunching : Lunatics (Message 1361401)
Posted 26 Apr 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Since it has been about 48 hours after it was renewed I would expect most DNS servers have picked the domain back up by now.
3282) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (83) Server Problems? (Message 1361399)
Posted 26 Apr 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
the task creation rate seems to have leveled out and looks to be running a bit more steady.

With the number of ready to send having reached around 300k the creation might go back to the high/low on/off pattern. Which is apparently what they are expected to do.
3283) Message boards : Number crunching : Memory Upgrade (Message 1361394)
Posted 26 Apr 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
By "upgrade" are you intending to increase the amount of RAM, get faster ram and try to push it past 1600, or possibly both?
3284) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (83) Server Problems? (Message 1360668)
Posted 24 Apr 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
With the shorties I am surprised there was a steady ~200Mb download rate during the outage.
3285) Message boards : Number crunching : GPU on MB + GPU discrete in PCI Express x16 slot (Message 1360643)
Posted 24 Apr 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The HD 3000 series is not OpenCL capable, but the hybrid AP app could be used with it. If you really wanted to use it.
However IIRC there is not currently a way to tell BOINC to only run certain apps on specific GPU's. It would require running 2 instances of BOINC. Your current one and a 2nd configured only to use the HD 3300 & the hybrid application.
3286) Message boards : Number crunching : Record? (Message 1360406)
Posted 23 Apr 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I think it was Eric who said we should have about 5 times the bandwidth & that it is really only limited by the speed of the back-end hardware now. I am sure the servers are probably starting to sweat about now if that is the case.
3287) Message boards : Number crunching : Total Results (Message 1360402)
Posted 23 Apr 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I've been in communications with an Administrator at Free-DC. I ask if it would be possible to include the Total Results like they do the Total Credit in there webpages,
example http://stats.free-dc.org/stats.php?p...=eah&team=6105.

I was informed that that information was not included in the Projects exported files. He also agreed that such a modification to the exported files would be the authority of BOINC.

When I told him that data such as Total Results would be a useful tool in encouraging new members to join a crunching recruitment effort. That while there are many who are encouraged by credits/points, there are some who value results as a more encouraging indicator of work accomplished. His opinion was that such an inclusion of data should not be that difficult to implement.

Since WCG provides that info for its team members, why not include it for other Project's data.
http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/te...rdsPerPage=100

I am posting this thread to recruit support for this concept. If enough Projects and project teams support this initiative, perhaps BOINC can be persuaded to implement this modification.

Respectively,
Gandalf_the_Grey

Your links are truncated & don't go anywhere.

When BOINC was being alpha tested before SETI@Home switched to it I had asked something along the lines of this. The response was something along the lines of "BOINC will keep track of actual work preformed in cobblestones instead of total results".
I see the cobblestones/credit as an inconsistent measure and would have simply preferred the totals of tasks preformed. Perhaps separated into groups by AR or something along those lines.

PrimeGrid does give a count of the number of tasks run. However, I don't think the stats sites get that data in the export.
3288) Message boards : Number crunching : Cloned HD , Should it be same size used space? (Message 1360309)
Posted 23 Apr 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Look at it in Disk Manager to see if there is any unsed space, hidden partition etc. Also the free space will change depending on the size of the swap file etc.



there is a 100 meg sys part , the swap file should be the same size on a cloned hd shouldn't it ?

Depending on the software you used it might be smart enough to not copy temp directory information. Which can often be a large amount of data.

You could use software to compare the two drives to see the difference, or check each root folder to see if you can find a directory with a large discrepancy.
3289) Message boards : Number crunching : Cricket graph? (Message 1359972)
Posted 22 Apr 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
There were 2 or 3 other threads about 3 weeks ago, right after the move, with the new address. I couldn't find them to link to. So I just posted the address. I have stickies disabled. So one of them might be at the top for most people.
3290) Message boards : Number crunching : Cricket graph? (Message 1359968)
Posted 22 Apr 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
http://fragment1.berkeley.edu/newcricket/grapher.cgi?target=/router-interfaces/inr-211/gigabitethernet6_17&ranges=d%3Aw&view=Octets
3291) Message boards : Number crunching : Java causeing problems (Message 1359428)
Posted 21 Apr 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
the update tried to install google chrome toolbar I think and I said no I don't use chrome it's caused problems and I wish they would stop doing that shit if I what it i'll freaking download it

Java updates are notorious for trying to install the Ask toolbar -- you have to remember to uncheck it (I wish it were illegal to have things like that selected by default!) every time you do an update. ...and seeing how often they are patching Java lately, and how many machines I ride herd over, I need to do it just about every freaking day!

I agree.
Wish that 'pushing' unwanted programs with somewhat necessary ones was illegal.
Crap should be 'opt-in' only.
Not 'ooops mode' or opt-out.

There was a time they would not give you an option to uncheck things like that, but laws were passed requiring an option to uncheck certain things.
3292) Message boards : Number crunching : Lunatics (Message 1359427)
Posted 21 Apr 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I've contacted Toby a second time via a different email address, and got a response:

Well I did contact the domain owner earlier. Unfortunately the provider he is going through doesn't seem to have an automated way of doing things and he was unable to talk to anyone on the phone. So it looks like things might be down until Monday :(



Toby


Claggy

They have until May 27 before it gets released by tucows. I'm sure it can be sorted by then.
3293) Message boards : Number crunching : Open beta for OpenCL AstroPulse for Intel GPUs started (Message 1359426)
Posted 21 Apr 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Can anyone provide an alternate download for this Intel GPU package ? The domain appears to have expired, so the URLs for it no longer work.

See this thread. http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=71428
3294) Message boards : Number crunching : Easy way to transfer tasks? (Message 1359051)
Posted 20 Apr 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
There is no way to move tasks from one host/client to another.

The easiest way is to merge hosts. Then the client on the new system will download the tasks assigned to it as reseeds.
3295) Message boards : Number crunching : Lunatics (Message 1358644)
Posted 19 Apr 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
My host give me unlimited storage & bandwidth. So if the lunatics want a backup site I can setup like http://lunatics.hal6000.com or something of that nature. If desired PM me and I can setup some users for ftp.
3296) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (83) Server Problems? (Message 1358602)
Posted 19 Apr 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Mark.

We all know how much you love and all you done for the success of this project.

Go kitties!

Well, it's all legend now...LOL.
Some do not appreciate it when I make some grandiose statements.
But when I do, I have been there, and done that.

I do not posture much. When I say I have been there and done that, I have done it.

Been there, done that, still saving up for the toaster... :D
3297) Message boards : Number crunching : Lunatics (Message 1358597)
Posted 19 Apr 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The 2014 expiration date was throwing me off for a bit. Looking up the info on tucows. It is their policy to set set the expiration date out 1 year when it expires and then give 40 days to renew it. After 40 days they nuke it.
3298) Message boards : Number crunching : Lunatics (Message 1358547)
Posted 19 Apr 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
As the DNS change propagates though the system it will become inaccessible in more areas. In windows you can do a nslookup to see if your current server still contains the entry or not. I don't know the commands off the top of my head for *nix machines.

> server 8.8.8.8
Default Server:  google-public-dns-a.google.com
Address:  8.8.8.8

> kwsn.net
Server:  google-public-dns-a.google.com
Address:  8.8.8.8

*** google-public-dns-a.google.com can't find kwsn.net: Non-existent domain
> server 8.8.4.4
Default Server:  google-public-dns-b.google.com
Address:  8.8.4.4

> kwsn.net
Server:  google-public-dns-b.google.com
Address:  8.8.4.4

*** google-public-dns-b.google.com can't find kwsn.net: Non-existent domain
> server NS1.2ASC.COM
Default Server:  NS1.2ASC.COM
Address:  63.146.4.70

> kwsn.net
Server:  NS1.2ASC.COM
Address:  63.146.4.70

Name:    kwsn.net
Address:  63.247.72.178
3299) Message boards : Number crunching : How to setup UEFI for win 7 Pro 64 on new HD (Message 1358241)
Posted 18 Apr 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Booting from the install disc I believe you can access the memory diagnostic. IIRC the repair selection is located on the lower left of the language selection screen.
3300) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (83) Server Problems? (Message 1358210)
Posted 18 Apr 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Maybe this is some of that new splitter code that was talked about months ago going into place. At the moment all but 3 splitters are online and they are being generated at 36.9398/sec & 1.7282/sec.
3301) Message boards : Number crunching : How to setup UEFI for win 7 Pro 64 on new HD (Message 1358195)
Posted 18 Apr 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Perhaps Windows 7 would like you to feed it some controller drivers. Which you can do at the drive selection screen. I wouldn't suspect as BSOD. SO probably to aggressive memory settings like the kitty man said.
3302) Message boards : Number crunching : Lunatics (Message 1358186)
Posted 18 Apr 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
DNS lookup fails for *.kwsn.net :-(


The domain status for kwsn.net is "Domain status: clientHold"

"clientHold" can be set for several reasons. One of them being legal reasons.

Registrar of Record: TUCOWS, INC.
Record last updated on 18-Apr-2011.
Record expires on 17-Apr-2013.
Record created on 17-Apr-2002.

Looks like someone forgot to renew it.

You can manually enter this into your hosts file to access their site for the time being.

63.247.72.178 kwsn.net
63.247.72.178 lunatics.kwsn.net

Note: I got the IP address by asking the NS servers listed on http://whois.domaintools.com/kwsn.net
3303) Message boards : Number crunching : How to setup UEFI for win 7 Pro 64 on new HD (Message 1358183)
Posted 18 Apr 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
When are you getting the error; Before while copying files, selecting the destination drive, or before either of those?
3304) Message boards : Number crunching : Please rise the limits... just a little... (Message 1358039)
Posted 18 Apr 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
$ cat /proc/cpuinfo

Your point being?

Just the irony of a 100 WU limit when there are machines that can run 244 at a time (theoretically...).

In that case you would simply run multiple instances of BOINC with each configured for a specific number of processors. I have considered running two instances on my 24 core box to give it a more then a few hours cache, but this way it gets some PG work done too.
3305) Message boards : Number crunching : Big Lunatics Question? (Message 1357530)
Posted 16 Apr 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
One way would be to edit the registry values to to new location.

The defaults look like so.
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Space Sciences Laboratory, U.C. Berkeley\BOINC Setup]
"INSTALLDIR"="C:\\Program Files\\BOINC\\"
"DATADIR"="C:\\ProgramData\\BOINC\\"

If you will be installing BOINC after putting on the new drive. You could just point to your preferred data directory path and then copy the data to that location.
3306) Message boards : Number crunching : A super cruncher... (Message 1357526)
Posted 16 Apr 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Anyone game for one of these to warm up a few results?


63 TRILLION maths ops a second - in 5 inches?

... Dubbed the ioMillennia, it’s a 3U, PCIe Gen3 switch from One Stop Systems that can handle sixteen full-size GPU cards. ...


Happy fast HOT crunchin',
Martin

So $15,000 for the box. Then you still need a system with 4 x16 slots to connect the interface cards to the box & then the GPUs.
3307) Message boards : Number crunching : I see the whispers are now starting ... NVIDIA Geforce 7 series cards (Message 1357521)
Posted 16 Apr 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
It can always change, but their current roadmap still puts the release at next year.
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Nvidia-GeForce-GTX-700-Maxwell,21918.html
3308) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (83) Server Problems? (Message 1356444)
Posted 13 Apr 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Ok I've moved to Boinc 7.0.58 x64, so far, so good.

If you are not yet aware. BOINC v7 uses different cache settings. So instead of like 0 and 2, for a 2 day cache, you would want use 2 & 0.01.

Mine is set for (Maintain)0.15 and (and up to)3 days, not like I'll see that much, but...

I'm just having a problem with Boinctasks 1.46, I have to start BoincManager after BoincTasks to get Boinc to run, as starting Boinc from BT by itself doesn't seem to work like under 6.10.58, otherwise I'm not experiencing any problems. I've left a message to Fred on this.

With those settings BOINC will build up 3.15 days of work and then not ask for more work until the queue gets down to .15 days. As v7 works in a high to low queue mode now unlike v6. Maybe that is what you want. Just wanted to make sure you were aware of the change.

No, I'm talking about when one starts Boinc under BT, BT just has a lost connection status, I then have to start Boinc with BM, then close BM while leaving Boinc running. Fred should be able to handle this.

I wasn't talking about Boinctasks at all. Just BOINC & the cache settings. The manager you use has nothing to do with it. Well at least when using the web preferences.
3309) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (83) Server Problems? (Message 1356433)
Posted 13 Apr 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Ok I've moved to Boinc 7.0.58 x64, so far, so good.

If you are not yet aware. BOINC v7 uses different cache settings. So instead of like 0 and 2, for a 2 day cache, you would want use 2 & 0.01.

Mine is set for (Maintain)0.15 and (and up to)3 days, not like I'll see that much, but...

I'm just having a problem with Boinctasks 1.46, I have to start BoincManager after BoincTasks to get Boinc to run, as starting Boinc from BT by itself doesn't seem to work like under 6.10.58, otherwise I'm not experiencing any problems. I've left a message to Fred on this.

With those settings BOINC will build up 3.15 days of work and then not ask for more work until the queue gets down to .15 days. As v7 works in a high to low queue mode now unlike v6. Maybe that is what you want. Just wanted to make sure you were aware of the change.
3310) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (83) Server Problems? (Message 1356422)
Posted 13 Apr 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Ok I've moved to Boinc 7.0.58 x64, so far, so good.

If you are not yet aware. BOINC v7 uses different cache settings. So instead of like 0 and 2, for a 2 day cache, you would want use 2 & 0.01.
3311) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (82) Server Problems? (Message 1356375)
Posted 12 Apr 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

Which is the one of the v7 that you like to run?

And why go dry to switch?

I thought that would be if one was going from v7 to v6.

Claggy mentioned this is one of the BOINC v7 threads.
If you don't have flops values in your app_info, you'll want to run your GPU cache down first before upgrading,
otherwise existing GPU Wu's will be on the verge of going Maximum Time Exceeded, (because of a increased internal flops value for GPU Wu's)
New GPU Wu's will get revised <rsc_fpops_est> and <rsc_fpops_bound> values.

Or Reset the project once you're upgraded (only needed to be done at projects where you run an app_info that doesn't have a flops entry).


I think v7 also changes the client_state.xml so that if you want to go back to v6 you need to be sure to back up everything before hand.

After v7.0.40 app_config.xml was added to give easier control to running multiple instead of tasks on hardware. I'm planning to switch all of my 6.12.33 machines over once there is a newer recommended version, or I might just use the 7.0.42 I have been playing with on one machine. Since there have not been a lot of messages about newer versions of BOINC having major issues I would guess it is going well.
3312) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (82) Server Problems? (Message 1356364)
Posted 12 Apr 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Ok I put up 2 or 3 files in 3 or 4 entries in the following thread:

Problem can't download cpu wu's, gpu's wu's are fine though

Maybe this will help?


42 4/12/2013 1:07:05 PM [wfd]: work fetch start
43 4/12/2013 1:07:05 PM [wfd] ------- start work fetch state -------
44 4/12/2013 1:07:05 PM [wfd] target work buffer: 345600.00 + 0.00 sec
45 4/12/2013 1:07:05 PM [wfd] CPU: shortfall 994090.56 nidle 0.00 saturated 9450.33 busy 0.00 RS fetchable 0.00 runnable 100.00
46 Einstein@Home 4/12/2013 1:07:05 PM [wfd] CPU: fetch share 0.00 LTD 0.00 backoff dt 0.00 int 0.00 (no new tasks)
47 SETI@home 4/12/2013 1:07:05 PM [wfd] CPU: fetch share 0.00 LTD 0.00 backoff dt 0.00 int 0.00 (comm deferred)
48 4/12/2013 1:07:05 PM [wfd] NVIDIA GPU: shortfall 333557.59 nidle 0.00 saturated 12009.79 busy 0.00 RS fetchable 0.00 runnable 100.00
49 Einstein@Home 4/12/2013 1:07:05 PM [wfd] NVIDIA GPU: fetch share 0.00 LTD 0.00 backoff dt 0.00 int 0.00 (no new tasks) (blocked by prefs)
50 SETI@home 4/12/2013 1:07:05 PM [wfd] NVIDIA GPU: fetch share 0.00 LTD 0.00 backoff dt 0.00 int 0.00 (comm deferred)
51 Einstein@Home 4/12/2013 1:07:05 PM [wfd] overall LTD 0.00
52 SETI@home 4/12/2013 1:07:05 PM [wfd] overall LTD -236995.78
53 4/12/2013 1:07:05 PM [wfd] ------- end work fetch state -------

Have you already tried the set Use NVIDIA GPU to no and do some requests trick yet?

Why can't I do both cpu and gpu work? Is it now forbidden to do both?

And no I haven't, I don't see that as a problem.

Maybe I should just detach...

It is a known issue with BOINC. Where it will fill the GPU cache over the CPU cache. I think there was some work done server side to try and correct this, but it may only be effective with newer versions of BOINC. Once you have CPU tasks again reenable GPU fetch and then see how it goes. With the 100 task limits you might have to lower your queue settings to prevent it from doing it again.

Well I run the anonymous platform which I think is still not supported under the beta v7 or am I wrong? Seems kind of unfair to Me, it's like no v7, no cpu work...

This sucks.

Anonymous/3rd party apps work with BOINC v7. I'm not sure where you might have gotten the idea they don't.
I don't know if the issue doesn't exist when using 6.12.xx or 7.0.xx, but I have not seen anyone talking about having this issue for quite a while.
I think it is suggested you run dry before switching to BOINC v7 if you are thinking about that.
3313) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (82) Server Problems? (Message 1356354)
Posted 12 Apr 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Ok I put up 2 or 3 files in 3 or 4 entries in the following thread:

Problem can't download cpu wu's, gpu's wu's are fine though

Maybe this will help?


42 4/12/2013 1:07:05 PM [wfd]: work fetch start
43 4/12/2013 1:07:05 PM [wfd] ------- start work fetch state -------
44 4/12/2013 1:07:05 PM [wfd] target work buffer: 345600.00 + 0.00 sec
45 4/12/2013 1:07:05 PM [wfd] CPU: shortfall 994090.56 nidle 0.00 saturated 9450.33 busy 0.00 RS fetchable 0.00 runnable 100.00
46 Einstein@Home 4/12/2013 1:07:05 PM [wfd] CPU: fetch share 0.00 LTD 0.00 backoff dt 0.00 int 0.00 (no new tasks)
47 SETI@home 4/12/2013 1:07:05 PM [wfd] CPU: fetch share 0.00 LTD 0.00 backoff dt 0.00 int 0.00 (comm deferred)
48 4/12/2013 1:07:05 PM [wfd] NVIDIA GPU: shortfall 333557.59 nidle 0.00 saturated 12009.79 busy 0.00 RS fetchable 0.00 runnable 100.00
49 Einstein@Home 4/12/2013 1:07:05 PM [wfd] NVIDIA GPU: fetch share 0.00 LTD 0.00 backoff dt 0.00 int 0.00 (no new tasks) (blocked by prefs)
50 SETI@home 4/12/2013 1:07:05 PM [wfd] NVIDIA GPU: fetch share 0.00 LTD 0.00 backoff dt 0.00 int 0.00 (comm deferred)
51 Einstein@Home 4/12/2013 1:07:05 PM [wfd] overall LTD 0.00
52 SETI@home 4/12/2013 1:07:05 PM [wfd] overall LTD -236995.78
53 4/12/2013 1:07:05 PM [wfd] ------- end work fetch state -------

Have you already tried the set Use NVIDIA GPU to no and do some requests trick yet?

Why can't I do both cpu and gpu work? Is it now forbidden to do both?

And no I haven't, I don't see that as a problem.

Maybe I should just detach...

It is a known issue with BOINC. Where it will fill the GPU cache over the CPU cache. I think there was some work done server side to try and correct this, but it may only be effective with newer versions of BOINC. Once you have CPU tasks again reenable GPU fetch and then see how it goes. With the 100 task limits you might have to lower your queue settings to prevent it from doing it again.
3314) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (82) Server Problems? (Message 1356324)
Posted 12 Apr 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Ok I put up 2 or 3 files in 3 or 4 entries in the following thread:

Problem can't download cpu wu's, gpu's wu's are fine though

Maybe this will help?


42 4/12/2013 1:07:05 PM [wfd]: work fetch start
43 4/12/2013 1:07:05 PM [wfd] ------- start work fetch state -------
44 4/12/2013 1:07:05 PM [wfd] target work buffer: 345600.00 + 0.00 sec
45 4/12/2013 1:07:05 PM [wfd] CPU: shortfall 994090.56 nidle 0.00 saturated 9450.33 busy 0.00 RS fetchable 0.00 runnable 100.00
46 Einstein@Home 4/12/2013 1:07:05 PM [wfd] CPU: fetch share 0.00 LTD 0.00 backoff dt 0.00 int 0.00 (no new tasks)
47 SETI@home 4/12/2013 1:07:05 PM [wfd] CPU: fetch share 0.00 LTD 0.00 backoff dt 0.00 int 0.00 (comm deferred)
48 4/12/2013 1:07:05 PM [wfd] NVIDIA GPU: shortfall 333557.59 nidle 0.00 saturated 12009.79 busy 0.00 RS fetchable 0.00 runnable 100.00
49 Einstein@Home 4/12/2013 1:07:05 PM [wfd] NVIDIA GPU: fetch share 0.00 LTD 0.00 backoff dt 0.00 int 0.00 (no new tasks) (blocked by prefs)
50 SETI@home 4/12/2013 1:07:05 PM [wfd] NVIDIA GPU: fetch share 0.00 LTD 0.00 backoff dt 0.00 int 0.00 (comm deferred)
51 Einstein@Home 4/12/2013 1:07:05 PM [wfd] overall LTD 0.00
52 SETI@home 4/12/2013 1:07:05 PM [wfd] overall LTD -236995.78
53 4/12/2013 1:07:05 PM [wfd] ------- end work fetch state -------

Have you already tried the set Use NVIDIA GPU to no and do some requests trick yet?
3315) Message boards : Number crunching : Not validated workunits that are validated (Message 1356290)
Posted 12 Apr 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I've got one from last June that's "stuck". So you could be in for a wait :)

That said they will get validated eventually and (if I'm not mistaken) someone from the lab has to do it manually.

Oh I still have 631642246 from 2010 that hasn't cleared. Maybe once we switch over to v7 apps they will clear out the old ones like when they switched over the v6 for AP.
3316) Message boards : Number crunching : Win 7 update bomb... (Message 1356289)
Posted 12 Apr 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
FYI: even if you tell windows not to install driver software from windows update it will still try to do so.
http://www.hal6000.com/seti/images/win_update_driver.png


Well, all the time since I set it as you show it in the picture (almost 2 years now), I've never had one single nag or suggestion from Windows Update about any HW driver updates.

Edit: The box "No, let me choose what to do", means you choose from the choices below, which will become active once you ticked "No, let me choose what to do", and in my case I selected the third choise "never install driver software from Windows Update". Windows Update has silently obeyed that for almost 2 years now. Never tried even once to install any HW drivers, or even suggested that they existed.

I figured I would report what I have seen. All of my installations out of the box are set to "never install driver software from Windows Update". I change the update setting to "Never check for updates" before saving the image.
Perhaps they don't send driver updates when doing automatic updates. However it does seem to be that they will try to push them to you if you manually check with "never check" set. At least this is what I see on my systems with Vista, Server 2008, Windows 7, Server 2008 R2, Windows 8, & Server 2012 in 4 different languages.
Since I work in a lab where we test software & drivers no updates of any kind are applied to machines without a specific reason for them. Generally we only apply service packs & makes additional images.
3317) Message boards : Number crunching : Win 7 update bomb... (Message 1356218)
Posted 12 Apr 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
FYI: even if you tell windows not to install driver software from windows update it will still try to do so.
http://www.hal6000.com/seti/images/win_update_driver.png
3318) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (82) Server Problems? (Message 1355849)
Posted 11 Apr 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
360 Mb/s !

At least the spikes won't go over 9000.

Wow the inbound has hit Max: 446.93 Mbits/sec. Good to see that they can make more use of the available inbound bandwidth.
3319) Message boards : Number crunching : Seti android app (Message 1355845)
Posted 11 Apr 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I did so. Moreover, I've uninstalled the app and installed it directly in the internal memory, but I see the same - 20-30 sec of crunching and restarting then. Should I give it up, or there is may be any other ideas?

I am out of ideas. Might be time to try here.
http://nativeboinc.org/site/uncat/notifybug
3320) Message boards : Number crunching : Astrpulse 6.01 (Message 1355769)
Posted 11 Apr 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thanks Hal

Dam I an't got the money to upgrade to a "I7"

new motherboard ,ram and chip oww why am I so poor ,cause you stuffed up iddiot and got married

I'll let this one finish and see weather i'll keep doing them but thank's anyway Hal

I was looking to upgrade my E8400 to an i5-3570, but that lack of funds thing is getting in my way too. lol

Some C2Q for under 100 USD if you want to upgrade: http://www.geeks.com/products_sc.asp?cat=1142

For me I don't see twice as many slower cores with less cache an upgrade for that system. The only C2Q I'd consider upgrade it with would be a Q9650, but they still go for near around $300. Which is most of what I'd spend on a current board/CPU.
Since I don't consider the system slow the only real reason to upgrade it is for greater performance per watt & being able to expand the memory beyond 8GB.

Also with the new Haswell chips coming in June(ish) that could lower the price of current generation parts.
3321) Message boards : Number crunching : Seti android app (Message 1355696)
Posted 11 Apr 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I had a similar issue when I tried running it from the SD card in my phone. Moving it back to internal storage made it run OK.


I did. Nothing is change. It's rather sad...

After I moved from SD back to phone I had to abort current task & get a new one. It has been OK, for me, since then.
3322) Message boards : Number crunching : Validation pending (Message 1355695)
Posted 11 Apr 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The HAL Plant does seem to keep itself busy after all these years. There are 100's of HAL9000s.
It looks like there are at least 20 accounts with an earlier sign up date that mine.
It does look like I might have been the first one to sign up for BOINC. The search only returns a max of 184 results. It is hard to tell for sure exactly. I had to filter the results to even find myself. Besides my 3 digit and 1 4 digit user ID it looks like most of the others have at least 6 digit ID's. Probably after the best test was finished & all the SET@Home users were imported into a BOINC db.
3323) Message boards : Number crunching : Laptop too hot? (Message 1355681)
Posted 11 Apr 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
My laptop (which does not run Boinc) sits on a different kind of cooler. It's basically an open grid with a large fan that you can attach to the grid anywhere. You find the hottest spot on the bottom of the laptop and mount the fan so it blows on that spot. There's also a strap to hold the laptop in place, but you may then need an external keyboard (which I have anyway; I had to disconnect the main kb because it got wet). I still get thermal shutdowns once in a while, though; I probably should try blowing out the vents with my compressor.

If you blow it out you could probably attach some kind of filter to the mesh of your cooler to keep the internal dust build up down in the future. As a lazy person I would find it less work than cleaning out clogged vents.
3324) Message boards : Number crunching : Validation pending (Message 1355527)
Posted 11 Apr 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
We have cloned ourselves ;)

Or am I just talking to myself...
3325) Message boards : Number crunching : Validation pending (Message 1355514)
Posted 11 Apr 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Validation pending (65)???
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/results.php?userid=9857538&offset=0&show_names=0&state=2&appid=

What gives?

Results by user ID are not public. You need to link to results by host ID.
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/results.php?hostid=6951402&offset=0&show_names=0&state=2&appid=
Yes have 65 pending. Is there a question about something specific, or just how validation works?
3326) Message boards : Number crunching : Astrpulse 6.01 (Message 1355504)
Posted 11 Apr 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thanks Hal

Dam I an't got the money to upgrade to a "I7"

new motherboard ,ram and chip oww why am I so poor ,cause you stuffed up iddiot and got married

I'll let this one finish and see weather i'll keep doing them but thank's anyway Hal

I was looking to upgrade my E8400 to an i5-3570, but that lack of funds thing is getting in my way too. lol
3327) Message boards : Number crunching : Astrpulse 6.01 (Message 1355498)
Posted 11 Apr 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The task you are doing on your CPU is paired with a GPU the did their task with the optimized app.
Because of the highly variable nature of CreditNew the credit awarded could be high, low, or average. More often than not credit is generally the same, given the AP blanking, among tasks.

The oldest CPU's I currently run AP work on my my i7-860's. Originally I did run AP on my C2D E8400, E6300, & E6400 systems, but those CPU's showed their age compared to newer hardware when running this kind of work. The i7's I use now run about 18 hours per task & process 8 at a time.

EDIT: I'm not sure if it would word as expected. Using an app_config.xml with <max_concurrent>0</max_concurrent> set for the CPU AP application might allow you to run AP only on your GPU with the stock apps. I am not sure if the newer version of BOINC that uses app_config.xml is designed to do that, but it might work.
3328) Message boards : Number crunching : Seti android app (Message 1355488)
Posted 10 Apr 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hmm, every 20 sec it's restarting, and still 0.00 % completed :((
What's wrong?!

I had a similar issue when I tried running it from the SD card in my phone. Moving it back to internal storage made it run OK.
3329) Message boards : Number crunching : Rejecting/Avoiding VLAR on an Intel i486 DX4-S/100? (Message 1355487)
Posted 10 Apr 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
and remember that the whole project was launched, with the first standalone 'classic' applications, after Windows 98.

And IIRC they were all 32-bit Windows applications, also the CLI version.

It does look like it. At least for v3.03.


While I was rooting around I found this old screen shot & the exe on an older system.
http://hal6000.com/seti/images/cmdline-commands.gif
3330) Message boards : Technical News : Moving on... (Apr 08 2013) (Message 1355414)
Posted 10 Apr 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Are you saying that you are not able to acquire enough data from Arecibo to continue to distribute work at the improved rates?
And if so, would more drives for data shuttle service help?
Or is it a limit on the rate that you are able to record data or the time allowed to do so?


Right... our observation time is the bottleneck in this case. When we are able to use the telescope we can record at the rates we desire, and we are easily able to shuttle all the data back to UCB on the drives we have.

- Matt

One you guys get data from Arecibo. Do you have to go to the colo to plug in drives or do you just copy the raw data the server(s) over the remote admin interface?
3331) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (82) Server Problems? (Message 1355306)
Posted 10 Apr 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Whoa boy.....

Here's your shorty storm, Claggy.

Crickets are a jumpin, and not an AP being split.

280Mb/s, and 111k results/hour coming back in.

It only lasted a short while. If that is all it looks like now I'm not sure we can call it a "shortie storm". Maybe a "shortie cloud burst" or something.
3332) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows XP 365 days support remaining (Message 1355081)
Posted 9 Apr 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I hate upgrading old XP era hardware to Win 7 or Vista because it is hard to find drivers!

I loaded Windows Home Server 2011 on a Intel Core 2 MB, couldn't find drivers for the Intel Integrated Graphics. I was able to install Server 2008 drivers in compatibility mode.

I just wish companies would turn over their archived driver code to MS so they could get working drivers for the latest OS. Four year old hardware should still be supported on a new OS.

I can't say I've had much of an issue loading a newer OS onto older hardware.

The server OS's do tend to lack a lot of the extra drivers that the client OS's include. When I setup a new machine at work for testing I only get the MS Standard Video Driver for Server 2008 or R2, but Vista & 7 will have the correct Intel, ATI, or NVIDIA drivers.
3333) Message boards : Number crunching : Rejecting/Avoiding VLAR on an Intel i486 DX4-S/100? (Message 1355080)
Posted 9 Apr 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Starting BOINC from the command line would save you the trouble of dealing with the manager & you could also disable benchmarks. The benchmarks will run a few times over the course of the one task you are running now. "boinc --skip_cpu_benchmarks --detach"

Process Explorer could be used to kill explorer without it restarting & leave BOINC running in the background like this.
Version 11.04 is the last one I could get to run on my 98SE system. You can then minimize Process Explorer to bring it up again later using alt+tab. You can Process Explorer as well, but you would have to restart the system to do anything. That isn't really a problem if you have the client setup to allow remote hosts to connect to it over your network.
3334) Message boards : Number crunching : More Bandwidth = Raised (or Dropped) Limits? (Message 1355062)
Posted 9 Apr 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

The database size issue shouldn't be an issue if they just dropped the "number of days" down to two or so, from the standard ten. If we were bumping the limit at ten days, then allowing two days should significantly cut the number of database entries.

It doesn't work that way.
The 'number of days' is a BOINC client cap. The limit on tasks in progress is a server cap. 'they' have no influence on the amount of work the client requests, AFAIK they can only limit 'tasks in progress'.


That does complicate things. I was thinking that each project could customize the allowed values for that field so that BOINC behaved with projects with differing needs.

BOINC is estimating how much work a computer can do in any given science task to know how much work "10 days" of work for that project is (in work units). There must be some way of "tricking" it, or setting it, so it calculates SETI tasks taking five times as long as they actually do.

Either that, or set the servers to only serve 20% of what BOINC calls-for, but then I guess BOINC would keep calling...

I suppose I really have no idea how to accomplish setting a two day limit, so I should shut-up.

So, the next-best ham-handed way of doing things would be to limit CPU work units per machine to 25 or 50 (whatever approximates a day's work) and raise the GPU limits by 50 or 75.

... think, think, think, bret....

Ok, ten days of work was too much, too big of a database... check.

We can't lower the number of days... check.

Ten days of work was thousands of tasks... check.

We're currently limited to 100 tasks ... check.

Raising the limits to 250 tasks should result in a database much smaller than the thousands of tasks that were formerly cached... check.

Conclusion: lower the hard number of CPU tasks and raise the freaking limits by some number of GPU tasks and see what happens. Slower machines will still be limited to 10 days and faster machines might keep work; if it doesn't behave, lower them again ...check.


Why would you ask for my 24 core box to go from about a 7 hour cache with 100 tasks to even less? That is just plain rude sir! :P

If they were to adjust the limits again. I would like something along the lines of how they were doing it last time. Which was per CPU/GPU core/processor. IIRC they were using 50 for CPU & 100 for GPU. I imagine they didn't use those values again as they knew it wouldn't do the job.

As they seem to have control over CPU & GPU limits independently. They might considering bumping the GPU limit +50 or so to see how the db takes it. If not they would need to back it down again.

Ideally having the controls on the back end to consistently keep the db under control is the best answer. Larger jobs is another way. Which is probably easier to accomplish.

I think PrimeGrid also uses a limit of 100 in progress tasks. However some of their tasks can run 30+ hours on mt machines that do SETI@Home work in ~2 hours.
3335) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows XP 365 days support remaining (Message 1355059)
Posted 9 Apr 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Looking over a Operating System Share Trend chart. XP doesn't want to go down without a fight. I do expect XP to start dropping more quickly. As companies are starting to work towards replacing the XP station with newer OS's. We are switching from XP to Windows 7 in June. One of our customers, UPS, is in the process of switching over to Windows 8 at the moment.
3336) Message boards : Number crunching : Laptop too hot? (Message 1355026)
Posted 9 Apr 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The Intel 3610QM thermal spec 105ºC. So 90ºC should be fine.
The NVIDIA 630 thermal spec is 102ºC. Which I suppose we can guess the M version would be near the same if not a bit higher.

While overclocked to 2.0GHz my old 1.5GHz Pentium M runs around 90ºC at full tilt. Its thermal spec is 100ºC & it 8 or 9 years old.

I found using spacers at the feet of the notebook to have a larger air gap under the unit on a hard surface did a great job of helping cool it. Much more so than one of those "notebook coolers". I used lego blocks and made a foot for each corner so it was about 0.5" off the table surface.
3337) Message boards : Number crunching : Gripes and Kudos II (Message 1354792)
Posted 8 Apr 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Gripes: You could have a more detailed cpu information page. BOINC says I'm using a quadcore chip @ 2.40GHz when I'm running all cores @ 3.5GHz

Kudos: Keep up the good work i.e. server move/faster download of information.

They made the choice to list the default the default CPU info. Which is nice to have for comparison. The optimized apps record the actual CPU speed in stderr_txt.
     CPUID: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 5400+ 
     Speed: 1 x 3010 MHz 
     Cache: L1=64K L2=512K
  Features: MMX SSE SSE2 SSE3

Perhaps they will add that to the v7 SETI@Home applications.
3338) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows XP 365 days support remaining (Message 1354790)
Posted 8 Apr 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Anymore I just throw Windows 7 on a system to get it up and running. Since it will run forever without a key it is good to have on test systems that I reimage or reinstall on a regular basis.
3339) Message boards : Number crunching : More Bandwidth = Raised (or Dropped) Limits? (Message 1354788)
Posted 8 Apr 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I think the larger work units, once introduced, will be the solution for longer caches. Which will probably also reduce the db load to a point that a limit higher than 100 can be easily chosen.

Hopefully once they feel that everything is happy in its new home they can get back to work on that, or maybe some of the other issues they have not had the time to work on.
3340) Message boards : Number crunching : Too many backoffs - fetching master file (Message 1354512)
Posted 7 Apr 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I'm not sure why your host would be trying to connect to the address thinman.ssl.berkeley.edu. However it, setiweb.ssl.berkeley.edu, & setiathome.berkeley.edu point to the same location.
They may have disabled ICMP request to the server in its new location, but port 80, which BOINC uses for communication, seems to be working OK.

07-Apr-2013 18:59:36 [SETI@home] [sched_op] Fetching master file
07-Apr-2013 18:59:36 [---] [http] HTTP_OP::init_get(): http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/
07-Apr-2013 18:59:36 [---] [http] HTTP_OP::libcurl_exec(): ca-bundle 'E:\Test\BOINC\ca-bundle.crt'
07-Apr-2013 18:59:36 [---] [http] HTTP_OP::libcurl_exec(): ca-bundle set
07-Apr-2013 18:59:36 [---] [proxy] HTTP_OP::no_proxy_for_url(): http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/
07-Apr-2013 18:59:36 [---] [proxy] returning false
07-Apr-2013 18:59:36 [---] [time] dt 10.105469 w2 0.999988 on 0.999815; active 0.999719; gpu_active 0.999719; conn 1.000000
07-Apr-2013 18:59:36 [---] [http] [ID#1] Info:  timeout on name lookup is not supported
07-Apr-2013 18:59:36 [---] [http] [ID#1] Info:  About to connect() to setiathome.berkeley.edu port 80 (#0)
07-Apr-2013 18:59:36 [---] [http] [ID#1] Info:    Trying 169.229.217.140... 
07-Apr-2013 18:59:36 [---] [network_status] status: online
07-Apr-2013 18:59:36 [---] [http] [ID#1] Info:  Connected to setiathome.berkeley.edu (169.229.217.140) port 80 (#0)
07-Apr-2013 18:59:36 [---] [http] [ID#1] Sent header to server: GET / HTTP/1.1
07-Apr-2013 18:59:36 [---] [http] [ID#1] Sent header to server: User-Agent: BOINC client (windows_x86_64 6.12.33)
07-Apr-2013 18:59:36 [---] [http] [ID#1] Sent header to server: Host: setiathome.berkeley.edu
07-Apr-2013 18:59:36 [---] [http] [ID#1] Sent header to server: Accept: */*
07-Apr-2013 18:59:36 [---] [http] [ID#1] Sent header to server: Accept-Encoding: deflate, gzip
07-Apr-2013 18:59:36 [---] [http] [ID#1] Sent header to server: Content-Type: application/x-www-form-urlencoded
07-Apr-2013 18:59:36 [---] [http] [ID#1] Sent header to server: 
07-Apr-2013 18:59:37 [---] [http] [ID#1] Received header from server: HTTP/1.1 200 OK
07-Apr-2013 18:59:37 [---] [http] [ID#1] Received header from server: Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2013 22:59:23 GMT
07-Apr-2013 18:59:37 [---] [http] [ID#1] Received header from server: Server: Apache/2.2.15 (Scientific Linux)
07-Apr-2013 18:59:37 [---] [http] [ID#1] Received header from server: X-Powered-By: PHP/5.3.3
07-Apr-2013 18:59:37 [---] [http] [ID#1] Received header from server: Content-Length: 151
07-Apr-2013 18:59:37 [---] [http] [ID#1] Received header from server: Connection: close
07-Apr-2013 18:59:37 [---] [http] [ID#1] Received header from server: Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8
07-Apr-2013 18:59:37 [---] [http] [ID#1] Received header from server: 
07-Apr-2013 18:59:37 [---] [http_xfer] [ID#1] HTTP: wrote 151 bytes
07-Apr-2013 18:59:37 [---] [http] [ID#1] Info:  Closing connection #0
07-Apr-2013 18:59:37 [SETI@home] [sched_op] Got master file; parsing
3341) Message boards : Number crunching : Too many backoffs - fetching master file (Message 1354244)
Posted 7 Apr 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Solved.
It seems like some of the servers has got new IP's and the firewall stop outgoing traffic to one of them.

Is there any list of which IP's or network addresses that the seti servers have?

Are you referring to boinc2.ssl.berkeley.edu being 208.68.240.13 & 208.68.240.21 instead of 208.68.240.13 & 208.68.240.18? The machine running on .18 was retired in October & replaced with the one on .21. Everything else is the same as before.

boinc2.ssl.berkeley.edu
208.68.240.13
208.68.240.21

setiboincdata.ssl.berkeley.edu
208.68.240.16

setiboinc.ssl.berkeley.edu
208.68.240.20
3342) Message boards : Number crunching : Gripes and Kudos II (Message 1354241)
Posted 7 Apr 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
gripe: i wish i could assign projects to particular number of processors. context switching is so 00's. :P

Actually that can be done now.
http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Client_configuration#Application_configuration
3343) Message boards : Number crunching : Validation errors (Message 1353427)
Posted 4 Apr 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Last I looked, I had one inconclusive that appeared to be in the batch I uploaded and reported when the servers came up. I'm not worried about it.

However you have 0 invalid. Which is a good thing.
3344) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (82) Server Problems? (Message 1353411)
Posted 4 Apr 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
In last 12h i could not get GPU task, any reason for that?
When Seti come up i get normaly about 20 task, but now, 100 CPU task and no GPU task.

From the tasks I got so far, I'd say VLAR storm.

Looks like my downloads for today are about 60% VLAR.
3345) Message boards : Technical News : Colo! (Mar 28 2013) (Message 1353334)
Posted 4 Apr 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
It looks like IST also provides SAN, NAS, & iSCSI services. So that may be an option in the future so they don't have to deal with managing their storage equipment.
3346) Message boards : Number crunching : BOINC 7.0.54 forgot to ask for new work... (Message 1353283)
Posted 4 Apr 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
NativeBOINC 7.0.36 on my phone as also doing the same thing. With 0 tasks on phone most requests were every 20-40 minutes with longest request over 3 hours.
3347) Message boards : Number crunching : Don't forget about the Server Relocation on 1st of April ! (Message 1353274)
Posted 4 Apr 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have multiple clients running, and out of all of them, 1 still have not got any tasks. Below is what I get every time in the logs.. I have restarted my PC also, to make sure that wasn't the issue. I have been unable to retrieve any new tasks on this system. Any suggestions on what I can do to start getting tasks again ?

4/4/2013 7:25:42 | SETI@home | Sending scheduler request: To fetch work.
4/4/2013 7:25:42 | SETI@home | Requesting new tasks for CPU
4/4/2013 7:25:44 | SETI@home | Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks
4/4/2013 7:25:44 | SETI@home | Project has no tasks available
4/4/2013 7:26:14 | SETI@home | update requested by user
4/4/2013 7:26:19 | SETI@home | Sending scheduler request: Requested by user.
4/4/2013 7:26:19 | SETI@home | Requesting new tasks for CPU and ATI
4/4/2013 7:26:20 | SETI@home | Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks
4/4/2013 7:26:20 | SETI@home | Project has no tasks available

It is very easy. You must wait. We are recovering from an extended outage & apparently some limits were put on work generation/sending out. Until the servers back log clears up. Maybe by later today or tomorrow things will start to get back to normal.
Currently I have 4 out of 27 machines without SET@Home work.
3348) Message boards : Number crunching : BOINC 7.0.54 forgot to ask for new work... (Message 1353269)
Posted 4 Apr 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I had thought that BOINC v7.x changed how that worked so it would not ask for work as often. I have 7.0.42 on one box and looking over the logs it is only requesting work when my automated script tell it to do so.
3349) Message boards : Number crunching : Don't forget about the Server Relocation on 1st of April ! (Message 1353262)
Posted 4 Apr 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
It seems we are exploring other was of throttling the bandwidth from the servers by restricting work out. One would think that due to lost connections and retries with the old throttling method (at the switch) that more work is flowing out, is that true or is it about the same?

seems to be the same, except when i get work i'm able to download it quickly...

Matt's most recent message indicates a limit on the download server disk i/o. so other limits were put in place to keep it down.
That might just be due to the servers getting settled in & a lot of i/o traffic at the moment. We will just have to wait and see if disk i/o will be the bottle neck in using more bandwidth.
3350) Message boards : Number crunching : Don't forget about the Server Relocation on 1st of April ! (Message 1353252)
Posted 4 Apr 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hi!
I have a question: in the new location can we have a graph like this http://fragment1.berkeley.edu/newcricket/grapher.cgi?target=%2Frouter-interfaces%2Finr-250%2Fgigabitethernet2_3;ranges=d%3Aw%3Am%3Ay;view=Octets?

You mean like the one listed here & here?
3351) Message boards : Number crunching : Validation errors (Message 1353249)
Posted 4 Apr 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
One of my hosts has such tasks (18 of them) after server transition:

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/workunit.php?wuid=1199997914
Task
click for details Computer Sent Time reported
or deadline
explain Status Run time
(sec) CPU time
(sec) Credit Application
2899950934 6947540 30 Mar 2013, 21:22:09 UTC 4 Apr 2013, 10:38:36 UTC Validate error 9,148.26 9,134.00 --- SETI@home Enhanced
Anonymous platform (CPU)
2899950935 6955046 30 Mar 2013, 21:10:42 UTC 31 Mar 2013, 17:23:45 UTC Completed, validation inconclusive 17,629.97 16,771.61 pending SETI@home Enhanced v6.03
2904524383 --- --- --- Unsent --- --- ---

I have not (yet) had any invalid since we came back up. Out of about 1500 tasks. Let us hope it is just PC issue & not the servers being grumpy.
3352) Message boards : Number crunching : 2WU on 1 GPU, 1 WU on the other? (Message 1353019)
Posted 3 Apr 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hmm thanks for all the replies! It seems it may just be easier to run 2 WU on each card, and just take the performance hit on the 260. Surely the gains on the 660 would more than make up for it :)

You could run 2 instances of BOINC with 1 GPU in each instance, but that can get messy. Each would be viewed by the stats and stats as a separate host. however each instance would have its own queue to fill.
3353) Message boards : Number crunching : 2WU on 1 GPU, 1 WU on the other? (Message 1353010)
Posted 3 Apr 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Ohhh thanks :D I might just set the 260 to use the x38g_cuda32 app and the 660 to use the x41g version :) I'll see if it works!

I'm not sure that will work. You can add multiple apps to your app_into.xml, but I don't recall a way to bind an app to a card. IIRC BOINC will just use each app as it more or less feels like it on each card.

Claggy mentioned the x41zc has options to configure per card, but the docs only list processpriority, pfblockspersm, & pfperiodsperlaunch. I don't see an per card instance control, but I might have missed something.
3354) Message boards : Number crunching : Don't forget about the Server Relocation on 1st of April ! (Message 1352999)
Posted 3 Apr 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
According to the name it's a gigabitethernet link:

Graphs for gigabitethernet6_17

Claggy

The old Cricket was a gigabit interface too - gigabitethernet2_3, to be precise.

But that only tells us about the capability of that single interface on that particular router - doesn't tell us anything about the other hardware, the cabling, and the software policies in place elsewhere on the route.

Once we get a Shortie Storm, with AP thrown in, we'll see how high the limit is, i reckon we can maybe generate around 500Mbits/sec then, we'll see.

Claggy

At the moment it looks like the feeder limits are keeping us around 200Mb. It could be another factor, but I am speculation it is the feeder being emptied at the moment.
3355) Message boards : Number crunching : WE'RE UP !!!! (Message 1352995)
Posted 3 Apr 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Well one of my boxes picked up 3 new work units on a manual update, and they downloaded before I could flip over to the transfer screen to see how fast it was :)

This is promising, but I wonder what will fail now the bottleneck of the 100mb line is removed....

Of course the slow transfers and retries were probably putting a lot more load on the servers anyway. Now that the downloads seem to complete in a second, the server should have more free resources and be able to cope with more downloads?

Ian

We certainly hope so...

Now we can to find the next weakest link.
3356) Message boards : Number crunching : 2WU on 1 GPU, 1 WU on the other? (Message 1352991)
Posted 3 Apr 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
So I recently upgraded from a GTX 260 to a GTX 660 Ti, and I was wondering if it was possible to set up so 2 WU run on the 660, and 1 WU runs on the 260? I've messed around with cc_config and the new app_config files during the outage, but couldn't really seem to get it to work. I'm not even sure if it's possible, but figured someone might know :)

Cheers!

At this point in time it is not possible with one instance of BOINC. Unless the different cards used different apps. Then each app could be configured separately via the app_config.
3357) Message boards : Number crunching : Don't forget about the Server Relocation on 1st of April ! (Message 1352988)
Posted 3 Apr 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The link just passed 200Mbit:

Cur: 203.20 Mbits/sec

It did peak at at a bit over 210Mb around 14:00 on the graph.

It was mentioned that with the Hurricane connection only running 100Mb they were paying a reduced rate. So even if the CoLo allows full Gb use we might still be limited in the bandwidth we use. At the moment they could be playing with a limit on it to see where it holds steady & then cap it off around that. Probably by tomorrow we will see a nice steady graph. Which I expect to be in the form of a wave.
3358) Message boards : Number crunching : Seti android app (Message 1352978)
Posted 3 Apr 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
So far about 100 hours in on my old phone & only about 900 more hours to go.

A whole new meaning to ET phone home.

Looks like at 144 hours in, or maybe before that, something went wrong. Several restart at 100% and ended in error. Waiting to get another task and see how that goes.
3359) Message boards : Number crunching : Where to look for lnk load now? (Message 1352908)
Posted 3 Apr 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Before I looked here: http://fragment1.berkeley.edu/newcricket/grapher.cgi?target=%2Frouter-interfaces%2Finr-250%2Fgigabitethernet2_3;view=Octets;ranges=d%3Aw
and now ?


My guess, is that it's this one, based on the name "seti" in it in inr-211: gigabitethernet6_17: 169.229.217.131: srb-ssi-seti-net, and it just came to life too:

http://fragment1.berkeley.edu/newcricket/grapher.cgi?target=/router-interfaces/inr-211/gigabitethernet6_17&ranges=d%3Aw&view=Octets

I was just digging though the graphs & found that as well. It looks like it fits our usage pattern of slamming a connection hard.
3360) Message boards : Number crunching : If they don't want it .... (Message 1352887)
Posted 3 Apr 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Ah, but can it play Minecraft? Or Bioshock Infinite?

LOL, Or solitare?

Or Asteroids?

or Zork?
3361) Message boards : Number crunching : Seti android app (Message 1352757)
Posted 1 Apr 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
So far about 100 hours in on my old phone & only about 900 more hours to go.

A whole new meaning to ET phone home.
3362) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (82) Server Problems? (Message 1351245)
Posted 27 Mar 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I hope that we can get a full cache before they shut down April 1 or maybe it is a April fools joke about them shutting down.
I don't think that is the case. Please let us fill up with at least 5 days worth because when they say 3 days down it could very well go into a week.

HINT< HINT.. Full cache please.. LOL

Michael Miles

April starts a new quarter. In my companies case it is also the start of our fiscal year. Since the mentioned evaluating cost issues with moving the servers it makes sense that it would take place starting with a new quarter budget wise.

Filling our caches & overloading the database again would not help in any way.
3363) Message boards : Number crunching : Seti android app (Message 1351231)
Posted 27 Mar 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I left an app running on my android overnight and the thing was hot as all get out. So how are you guys cooling these things?

While unplugged & not charging my phone stays quite cool. It is showing 27.4ºC for the battery temp which is quite normal. Running overnight on the battery it only sucked down about 40% of the battery.
3364) Message boards : Number crunching : Astropulse 6 optimized (Message 1351151)
Posted 27 Mar 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I need the astropulse for cpu.

That application is not available at this time.
Windows Seti@Home apps: "Installers have been temporarily removed pending resolution of some concerns related to the licensing (20 Sept. 2012)."
AstroPulse for Windows: "These have also been temporarily pulled because of licensing concerns (20 Sept. 2012)."
3365) Message boards : Number crunching : Seti android app (Message 1351150)
Posted 27 Mar 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thanks!
I'll be very happy to do SETI on my Galaxy Note 2 (4x ARMv7 @1.6ghz).

On my Note, I'm used to do 2x 40,000 GFLOPS Milkyway WU for 200 credits per day per core.
Now I expect to do:
0.5x 180,000 GFLOPS SETI WU for 50 credits per day per core.

I don't understand.
Is Milkyway offering more credits per GFLOPS? 4x?
Is it any different on a PC?


I completed my first 2 tasks.

- The first problem I could see is over estimate the completion time:
It estimated at first 60h but it was done in 16h (CPU time?) (30h real time) on ARM7@1.6ghz.

- The second problem is that it trigger more often the thermal protection that half the CPU frequency, 1600mhz to 1000mhz on my custom kernel than other NativeBoinc apps.

Also the dramatic difference between the credit earning from SETI to Milky have been confirmed. See my previous post. I'll appreciate if someone could direct me to an explanation or just more info on that subject.

BOINC overestimates completion times by a large margin at first intentionally. I think it is after ~10 completed tasks the estimates will be close to actual or something along those lines.

SETI@Home uses CreditNew. Which is the recent credit system the BOINC developers created. As far as I know SETI@Home is the only project that uses it. Also other projects can more or less "pay" however much credit they would like per flop. Some projects give large amounts of credit as a way to attract users I suppose.
3366) Message boards : Number crunching : Seti android app (Message 1351147)
Posted 27 Mar 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Well, the first four wu's have been reported and one validated so far.

Due to me misunderstanding (and the wording changing when you check the option) I ran in 'Power Saving Mode' for about half of the time. It was estimating 55 hours and it was looking like it would take that long. Then after about 15 hours I un-checked the power saving thing.

It finished up in just under 30 hours and gave 94.03 cobblestones, credit, score ... what is it called now?

The power saving option got me the first time I ran PrimeGrid or Milkyway with it.
When unchecked it says
Power Saving: Prevent screen lock & CPU underclocking.
So I thought "Yeah I want to do that". However when checked it changes to
Power Saving: Allow screen lock and CPU underclocking.
It does make sense. Power Save checked = on & unchecked = off. Just threw me off by not reading what it was telling me.
3367) Message boards : Number crunching : Seti android app (Message 1350848)
Posted 26 Mar 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Downloaded app on Samsung Mini
and on Viewsonic G-Tablet

Should it work here ?

Тип ЦП ARM
ARMv6-compatible processor rev 5 (v6l) @600MHz
Число процессоров 1
Сопроцессоры ---
Операционная система Android
2.6.35.7-perf-CL561921

Same hardware as my phone. So far ~2.5% after 12.5 hours. So only ~ 500 hours to complete VLAR!
3368) Message boards : Number crunching : upgrading to 7.0.56 (Message 1350763)
Posted 26 Mar 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
one issue i appear to be having with .56 win7 Lunatics v40 .. when i exit boinc via the boinc icon, boinc continues to run in the background .. end process through task manager only

You may have set BOINC to not show the exit dialog. Which can be enabled via options. When it is enabled and you exit BOINC there is an option "stop running science applications when exiting BOINC". Which you would want to check.
3369) Message boards : Number crunching : Seti android app (Message 1350674)
Posted 25 Mar 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hmm only 40 days for an estimated completion time on my myTouch 3G Slide.
3370) Message boards : Number crunching : A cautionary (mouse) tail. (Message 1350028)
Posted 24 Mar 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have to admit that made me laugh.
As a keeper of things small and furry I learned some time ago about keeping the optical mouse clean of the fuzzies.
3371) Message boards : Number crunching : Script for Affinity & Priority Management (Message 1349820)
Posted 23 Mar 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
About NUMA, I can set my memory controller to either ganged or unganged mode, that strikes me as a NUMA-related thing. I wonder if that makes any differrence (I did some little speed tests and I didn't see any difference but I didn't look into the GPU utilization bug).

I wonder if there is any way to discover the NUMA node of a PCI-E slot and core in order to match them up. I guess I could try and discover the matchup by running tests with different core-specific affinities. More testing!

Per that last quote, are we looking at a downgrade to 12.6? Even more tests I think.

Edit: Actually, on a one-socket consumer-level board I would think there is no NUMA (IOW all the same node).

In Windows you have 2 ways to check see if you have more than 1 NUMA node.
1) Use task manager.
http://www.benjaminathawes.com/blog/Lists/Photos/TaskManagerNUMA.png
2) Download cpuinfo and run it from a command prompt.
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/cc835722.aspx

We do have some users with multi-socket systems running several GPUs. So this kind of information could be relevant to their use.

As the number of processor cores goes up I could see future designs incorporating separate memory buses in a standard single socket processor. Instead of just increasing the memory channels as they currently tend to do. So it may become important to more and more users in the near future.
3372) Message boards : Number crunching : Continuing SETI Problems with 2 ATI Cards Installed. (Message 1349711)
Posted 23 Mar 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Previously you mentioned you used 'Use All Coprocessors'. Did you ever try it with <use_all_gpus>0</use_all_gpus> (the default value if not entered) to see if BOINC would ignore the older card on its own?

It does still point to an issue with BOINC incorrectly using a card that it was set to ignore.
3373) Message boards : Number crunching : Continuing SETI Problems with 2 ATI Cards Installed. (Message 1349287)
Posted 22 Mar 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I'm not trying to use the 3650 for SETI. I'm using it to run two monitors. I've been using the 4670 for OpenCL Apps for months. The PCIe slot was not changed on the 4670, it is still right where it was when BOINC used it last. All I did was install the second card in the lower slot, BOINC did all the rest. You did see the log entry for '<ignore_ati_dev>0</ignore_ati_dev> = ignore (don't use) a specific ATI GPU. You can ignore more than one.' CAL: ATI GPU 0 (ignored by config), right? There is a major difference between Ignore & Exclude?

What gives you the impression I'm trying to use the 3650 for OpenCL?

Well it wasn't very clear & this sorta made it seem like you wanted to use both.
How do I get BOINC to work with these two cards installed?

Ignore is the correct option then.
Ignore tells BOINC not to use the card.
Exclude tells BOINC it is OK to use the card except for the application(s) specified.

Given the "Missing coprocessor for task" messages & only tasks downloaded after "21 Mar 2013, 22:32:44 UTC" were aborted. I would guess that initially BOINC tried to run some tasks on the HD3000 card & not being able to do so was aborting those tasks. It might abort any tasks that it had tried to run on that hardware that are still present.
3374) Message boards : Number crunching : Continuing SETI Problems with 2 ATI Cards Installed. (Message 1349278)
Posted 22 Mar 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I think your first issue might be trying to run an OpenCL app on hardware that does not support it. Despite what GPUz tells you. Sometimes it lies. Like when it tell me the Nvidia GT 8500 I use at work doesn't support CUDA. OpenCL support was introduced in the HD4000 series of cards, but even then only "beta" support.

If you want to use the card for other projects you can use <exclude_gpu> to tell BOINC not to use it for the SETI@Home applications.
3375) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows TCP Settings - Follow up - Help with server communication (Message 1348843)
Posted 20 Mar 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I am usually 100% in agreement with your arguments and explanations but

Microsoft not enabling this RFC by default due to security concerns of TimeStamps does not explain why Microsoft Windows Will enable Timestamps
if asked to by the originator of the Link??

So any Linux user accessing a Microsoft Server would likely be using TimeStamps.

Although I do agree the majority of cases would be Windows accessing Windows.

The default configuration is to use timestamps or scaling if the other end initiates a connection, but not when initiating a connection.
Changing it to 3 forces the options to be used all the time.
3376) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (82) Server Problems? (Message 1348745)
Posted 20 Mar 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Looks like it is recovering. Cricket says it is back. Uploads are still a pain, but I got enough through to get a work request and got a big bunch. Downloads are okay thanks to timestamps.

Would be interesting after the fact to know what the alternate, though very limited, bandwidth path was.

The secret pathway. ;-)

Indeed!
Maybe it shall never be revealed

Also very curious.

I envision they were upgrading hardware and moving cables from one piece of equipment to another. Which saturated the old equipment for a duration making things slow for us.
3377) Message boards : Number crunching : program has borked..... (Message 1348694)
Posted 20 Mar 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
If you open Task Manger & switch to the Processes tab you can check to see if boinc.exe is running. Normally boinc.exe (the actual client program) & boincmgr.exe (the GUI) will be running. If you do see boinc.exe running you can terminate it gracefully by using the command boinccmd --quit.

Sometimes after an outage I am unable to remotely connect to BOINC on some a of my machines. So I will have to restart it.
3378) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows TCP Settings - Follow up - Help with server communication (Message 1348638)
Posted 19 Mar 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
So, will it be in the next update from Microsoft??

No & there is no reason for the majority of the computers on the planet to enable the setting.
If you need to use it.
Then turn it on.
Else if leave it alone.
3379) Message boards : Number crunching : Abandoned tasks - Ongoing issue (Message 1348520)
Posted 19 Mar 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I hope my one machine that did this last week will repeat its performance this week. If it will I can load up wireshark and start logging everything on it.
3380) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (82) Server Problems? (Message 1348474)
Posted 19 Mar 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
There's an easier command line option, which does it all in one go and doesn't need any editing afterwards.

Me, i just went for the command line option.
It did the job ...

Open a command prompt as administrator,

REG ADD "HKLM\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\services\Tcpip\Parameters" /v "Tcp1323Opts" /t REG_DWORD /d 3 /f

Exit the command pronpt.

And make sure to reboot afterwards.

It was like magic...

Does this one work in XP Pro?

[edit]
And is there any chance it will mess with my radioreference.com (now broadcastify.com) feed?

If it does cause something else not to work correctly you can always remove it.
REG DELETE "HKLM\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\services\Tcpip\Parameters" /v "Tcp1323Opts" /f
3381) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows TCP Settings - Follow up - Help with server communication (Message 1348466)
Posted 19 Mar 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
OK... So this is a basic but obscure beneficial feature that has been in use as a default in other operating systems for years, and it appears to be available in Windows but not normally used...

Anyone know why?... Why might it be 'bad' for Windows to have that as a default?...


Happy crunchin',
Martin

By default Windows does use this feature. However only if the other end initiates the request.
In a previous message I posted a link where Microsoft suggests changing this value to 1 or 3 (if high packet loss / retransmits are occurring) to "Improve Network Performance".

Improved performance does not necessarily mean a speed increase. However there are enough errors to cause transfers to timeout or go very slowly then adding the extra data for timestamps is a speed increase. Sort of like driving a little bit slower along a road to catch all of the greed lights instead of speeding to each red light & waiting.
3382) Message boards : Number crunching : Abandoned tasks - Ongoing issue (Message 1348068)
Posted 18 Mar 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
After a week working with the scripts, Ive found that the root cause for this abandoned tasks is a network issue... In the last 4 days Ive been using only one of my ISPs and it was working fine until yesterday...
Then it started to lost the link and for times it was very, very slow, and in the middle of this issues one of the hosts got a bunch of abandoned tasks after almost 4 days with no issues...

It makes sense also to explain why I get this so often while others don't... I doubt anybody else has such crappy ISPs... Sadly, there is no other ISPs in my area besides those Im using...

But, the question remains (and probably it will for ever)... Why a network error confuses the servers so badly that they think that the tasks have to be marked as abandoned?
(BTW, It doesnt happens with Einstein, if the network is not working well, it just fails the RPCs or the transfers, but Ive never seen an abandoned task there...)

SETI@Home is a test bed for the latest, & not always greatest, BOINC server code. So we can have issues here that no other projects will ever see.
3383) Message boards : Number crunching : Haunted by SETI Past, How to Delete a Rogue Machine? (Message 1347026)
Posted 15 Mar 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
It's a dual Boot machine. All my machines are at least dual Boot. BOINC wasn't installed when SETI decided to download files and start working. You can't delete files without BOINC, as far as I know. A simple delete button on my Computer page would solve everything...

OK the dual boot makes more sense to me now. It sounds like BOINC wasn't actually removed from the Linux installation.

The SETI@Home apps can't decided to download work. They don't have the ability to do so. They only process data that BOINC requests from projects.

I would guess they don't see a need to add the functionality to remove a host with active tasks. As the problem corrects itself. There probably have been several requests for something along these lines submitted to the BOINC Alpha list. I expect there would be a lot of code to do all of the clean up work for the tasks in order to delete a host.
3384) Message boards : Number crunching : Haunted by SETI Past, How to Delete a Rogue Machine? (Message 1347011)
Posted 15 Mar 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I see. So 57 people are going to be waiting on 57 tasks for quite a while. There should be some way an Owner can delete a machine if he desires. You would think.

You would think that, but they decided not to have that option. If you had aborted the tasks they would have been resent out quicker.

I don't see why it says it's a linux host if it was running 8. Had it populated the OS with the current one you could possibly install BOINC, merge hosts, & then abort them after getting the tasks as resends.
3385) Message boards : Number crunching : Haunted by SETI Past, How to Delete a Rogue Machine? (Message 1347005)
Posted 15 Mar 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
You can only delete hosts with 0 tasks. You will just have to wait until after May 22nd to do so.
3386) Message boards : Number crunching : Resource share - can't get the balance right (Message 1346995)
Posted 15 Mar 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Two of my crunchers are running 6.10.x BOINC. They have taken a long time (months, not hours or days) to become stable, and remain so.
You have to be careful in how you set the resource share for each project. I have found that by setting the main project to 1000, and the other projects to a significantly lower level, in the range 10-50 each I get the desired split. I also run a number of resource-zero projects.
The averaging appears to take several time the longest deadline to reach stability, and S@H has about the longest deadline for "normal" tasks, at about a month, so you can expect to wait say three or four months before any sort of stability is reached.

Oh, and don't be tempted to fiddle during that time, as fiddling always upsets things in an unpredictable manner....

A new feature starting with 7.0.40 is the use of a file app_config.xml to control the number of tasks can run for a given app/project. Which can keep BOINC from putting all of the host resources into one project.
Like the machine where I run SETI@Home beta. I have it limited to running 1 task for beta. So when it does get work from beta it doesn't take over the whole machine for weeks.
3387) Message boards : Number crunching : Getting Astro Pulse To Run (Message 1346958)
Posted 15 Mar 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have recently re-added Seti/BOINC to my computer after I had to do a reinstall.
Twice I've had an Astro Pulse assigned to my list but I never see it running. I have other downloads of SETI@Home running and completing and they are uploaded but I've yet to see an Astro Pulse run at all. It is like the other Seti work runs and is replaced by other Seti work and the Astro pulse simply runs out of time & cannot meet the deadline, having never had the opportunity to run in the first place.

What gives ?

The AP task is assigned to your GPU. So depending on the value you have set for
"Suspend GPU work while computer is in use?" &
"'In use' means mouse/keyboard activity in last"
in your Computing preferences it may only run when your computer is idle for a given length of time.

You can change "Suspend GPU work while computer is in use" to No and GPU tasks will run whenever you are using your computer. Depending on your GPU it could make using your computer difficult. Adjusting "'In use' means mouse/keyboard activity in last" to a low value, like 5-10 minutes, may be preferable.

If you do activities, such as watching movies, where the machine is "idle" but you are actually using it. Then you may need to add the application being used to the BOINC exclusive_gpu_app list. That way the GPU isn't used for processing while it is busy play a movie.
3388) Message boards : Number crunching : Results slowly decreasing with the same number of computers (Message 1346634)
Posted 14 Mar 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Also of possible significance is the drop in active users recently. It is beginning to pick up again but is well below previous levels. I think recent Seti problems caused a lot of people to abandon the project.
BOINC Stats users overview


OH NO, we went from around 151,000 to around 145,000 "active users" (received credit in the last month) over the last 60 days. The project is DOOOOOOOMMMMMEEEEDDDDD!!!!

So less than a 5% loss, around 6,000, half of them my wingmen (well it feels like it sometimes), I'm not worried. We will always have drive by crunchers who sign up day X and last report day X+2. 30 days later they are no longer classified as "active". So how many of those 1000 that signed up 2 days ago will still be "active" in 60 days? 20? 200?

I think a more important figure is "Active hosts". Which is currently "1,820,466 (54.14%)"
3389) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows TCP Settings - Follow up - Help with server communication (Message 1346632)
Posted 14 Mar 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

Greetings Hal,

Ok, we unchecked the Timestamps check box: still low, no change.
We unchecked the Window Scaling check box, which was checked when we first started: still low, no change.

For the life of me, I cannot remember what the speeds were before doing the TCPOptimizer thing on the other i7. On Speedtest.net the pings were averaging 60. I believe my i7 averages around 70. That's nanoseconds... ;)

I will get the 'Visual Route' program and see what we can do with it.
[edit] Ok, maybe not. Cannot afford the program and would not get our money's worth out of it anyway. :( [/edit]

Thanks Hal! :)

Keep on BOINCing...! :)

The best option is probably to select the "Windows Default" button and apply those settings. Unless you had tweaked any settings yourself before using the program it will set everything back to what it originally was.

TCPOptimizer has an option to backup current settings which I suggest everyone do before applying an changes. If something goes wrong you can go back to your previous settings that way.

Also Visual Route is free to play with for 15 days.
3390) Message boards : Number crunching : Memory overclocking (Message 1346560)
Posted 14 Mar 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I used the XMP settings on my i7-860 to run the memory at 1600.
Running 4 tasks at a time, with HT enabled, it had a RAC about the same as the 5 other i7-860's I run at work with 8 tasks at once.
Running 8 tasks at a time it had a RAC of about 20% more than the other machines.
3391) Message boards : Number crunching : Abandoned tasks - Ongoing issue (Message 1346384)
Posted 14 Mar 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Looking at my data it occurred during one request.

3/13/2013 1:44:26 PM SETI@home Sending scheduler request: To report completed tasks.
3/13/2013 1:44:26 PM SETI@home Reporting 1 completed tasks, requesting new tasks for CPU
3/13/2013 1:49:34 PM SETI@home Scheduler request failed: Timeout was reached

2874216025 	1188078775 	13 Mar 2013, 17:45:15 UTC 	13 Mar 2013, 17:46:39 UTC 	Abandoned

It looks like I contacted the server, reported the 1 task, & was assigned a new one. After being assigned the task something occurred & all the tasks assigned to the host were abandoned before the client reported a timeout.

This does seem to be a different issue than I saw the last time abandoned tasks were occurring. With luck it will happen regularly on that machine so I can troubleshoot it.
3392) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows TCP Settings - Follow up - Help with server communication (Message 1346378)
Posted 14 Mar 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The OEM disks are the standard OEM disks supplied by M$ itself that I get each time I build a new PC so both of you are getting way off the track here.

Cheers.

It is possible some other software you installed, or maybe even NIC driver/software configured the setting for you.
3393) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows TCP Settings - Follow up - Help with server communication (Message 1346254)
Posted 13 Mar 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Anyone considered to use the same settings on the server as the windows clients?
I think linux and mac computors are backward compatible.

I think your answer will be found here.
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=71002&postid=1344069
3394) Message boards : Number crunching : Abandoned tasks - Ongoing issue (Message 1346252)
Posted 13 Mar 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Well I just had this occur on one of my boxes. Apparently it dumped the whole queue as I have 100 abandoned tasks on host 6414883 at 13 Mar 2013, 17:46:39 UTC.

Local time in US EDT (UTC-4)
3/13/2013 1:35:50 PM	SETI@home	Sending scheduler request: To fetch work.
3/13/2013 1:35:50 PM	SETI@home	Requesting new tasks for CPU
3/13/2013 1:37:01 PM	SETI@home	Backing off 3 min 34 sec on upload of 29no12af.24496.624.206158430216.10.30.vlar_1_0
3/13/2013 1:40:58 PM	SETI@home	Scheduler request failed: Timeout was reached
3/13/2013 1:41:58 PM	SETI@home	Backing off 3 min 2 sec on upload of 29no12af.24496.624.206158430216.10.30.vlar_1_0
3/13/2013 1:44:26 PM	SETI@home	Sending scheduler request: To report completed tasks.
3/13/2013 1:44:26 PM	SETI@home	Reporting 1 completed tasks, requesting new tasks for CPU
3/13/2013 1:49:34 PM	SETI@home	Scheduler request failed: Timeout was reached
3/13/2013 1:54:18 PM	SETI@home	Sending scheduler request: To report completed tasks.
3/13/2013 1:54:18 PM	SETI@home	Reporting 3 completed tasks, requesting new tasks for CPU
3/13/2013 1:54:26 PM	SETI@home	Scheduler request completed: got 3 new tasks


Looking at my other hosts I see requests & timeouts in the same period, but no errors on them. Guess the server just barfed all over itself.
3395) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows TCP Settings - Follow up - Help with server communication (Message 1346246)
Posted 13 Mar 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Greetings all,

We're having a problem and I need some advice on what to do about it. It pertains to what this thread is all about.

-[ snip ]-

The Tcp1323Opts will only give you a higher throughput benchmark if you were previously having a high rate of packet loss & then have a reduced rate of packet loss afterward.
However to change the settings back you can use the "Windows Default" button or do it manually.
http://www.hal6000.com/seti/images/Tcp1323Opts_disabled.png
http://www.hal6000.com/seti/images/Tcp1323Opts_enabled.png

Greetings Hal,

Ok. This is an area of computing that I have not spent any great amount of time in in trying to learn about. I know just enough to get me by (and probably to be of danger to myself as well). ;)

Let me see if I understand what you said: My PC was having major packet loss so the fix fixed the problem. Our other computer had little if any packet loss so the fix unfixed it and broke it. Is that essentially correct? So what I need to do is unfix the fix, or fix the unfix. Right? ;) lol

Thanks Hal! :)

Keep on BOINCing...! :)

Basically yes.
Enabling timestamps is a "fix". If the conditions is fixes don't exist then you are just adding extra data to all of your packets. Sort of like tossing a few bricks in the back of a real wheel drive car in the winter and leaving them there in the summer.

The TCPOptimizer software can change other settings that may speed up or slow down your internet connection. Vendors, such as Dell or HP, may tweak those settings to make them better optimized than the Microsoft defaults. If you used it and things got worse. Restore the previous settings or change back to MS defaults & see how things go.

Another tool I use is a program call Visual Route. It is like running a trace but provides more info.
3396) Message boards : Number crunching : Resource share - can't get the balance right (Message 1346195)
Posted 13 Mar 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Use 0 for backup projects. Otherwise BOINC will run the projects normally in it's time% debt system.
3397) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows TCP Settings - Follow up - Help with server communication (Message 1346171)
Posted 13 Mar 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Greetings all,

We're having a problem and I need some advice on what to do about it. I pertains to what this thread is all about.

When I discovered this topic a few days ago, I decided to give it a go. I followed the instructions for using TCPOptimizer explicitly. I am running an older generation Intel i7 860 box with 8 GB of memory, blah, blah... I am not having the problem.

I use Speedtest.net to check our connection speed on the Internet on occasion. I used to have 9 to 10 Mbps DL and .7 to .9 Mbps UL. Now I have seen DLs as high as 20 Mbps and ULs as high as 2.x Mbps. What a major change! I'm loving it! :)

Our other PC is a newer generation Intel i7 3770 with 8GB of memory, blah, blah... It was having about the same speeds as my i7 was before running TCPOptimizer on it. We downloaded and ran TCPOptimizer on it and things went downhill BIG time. It is getting just over 1 Mbps DLs and .5 Mbps ULs. That's not good! :(

First of all: Can I use TCPOptimizer to go back to having the Tcp1323Opts disabled? I would much rather do it that way than manually working in the registry.

Second: Can anyone come up with something we can do with Tcp1323Opts enabled to get the speeds I'm getting on my i7 on our other one?

Any ideas / help would be GREATLY appreciated! :)

Keep on BOINCing...! :)

The Tcp1323Opts will only give you a higher throughput benchmark if you were previously having a high rate of packet loss & then have a reduced rate of packet loss afterward.
However to change the settings back you can use the "Windows Default" button or do it manually.
http://www.hal6000.com/seti/images/Tcp1323Opts_disabled.png
http://www.hal6000.com/seti/images/Tcp1323Opts_enabled.png
3398) Message boards : Number crunching : Boinc settings (Message 1345876)
Posted 12 Mar 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The only way I know is not exactly what you want:
You can set the resource share of the backup project to 0 and then BOINC wont ask for work from that project until there is no work for the main project. (as you want)
But when BOINC gets work from the backup project it wont be just 1 task... Not sure how many, but for sure not only 1.
And I dont know of any setting to instruct BOINC to ask only a certain amount of tasks...

Initially backup projects would fill the whole queue with work. However this was fixed in later versions of BOINC. So now backup projects will only grab 1 task per resources they are allowed to use. Such as 4 CPU & 2 GPU tasks for a 4 core dual GPU system.

I forget if that as corrected in 6.10.xx or not until 6.12.xx
3399) Message boards : Number crunching : Please rise the limits... just a little... (Message 1345872)
Posted 12 Mar 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I believe the larger work units, which are in the works, will be the better solution. However it will take time to test & develop that stuff. Which as far as I know came to a halt for some reason.
IIRC the value of Results out in the field was over 8000000 when everything started to get really bad. If a fixed number of results is an issue for the servers. Adding code to stop work unit generation at that point would also be a good idea. Such as if the results out his 7000000, or whatever the magic number is, stop making work units until it goes down to 6000000.
3400) Message boards : Number crunching : Script for Affinity & Priority Management (Message 1345853)
Posted 12 Mar 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Regarding task scheduler. You propose to put some job into it.
I did the same before with retry script and now can't get rid of it. Network issue is fixed, I deleted job in task scheduler... but it tries to run anyway (!).
Then I renamed script file but time to time black windows opens for fraction of second (and closes not found script it tries to run). But no corresponding job listed in task scheduler. Maybe you know where in registry they are stored to delete orphaned job from there ?

You will find the tasks stored in the registry here.
HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\Schedule\TaskCache\
Then two sub folders.
\Tasks
There is a sub folder for each task with a name like "{061F6307-2074-4401-96BD-D360147E7375}", but each will contain String named "Path" with the task name as the data.
\Tree
This is much like the tree in the GUI. So the task will be in the corresponding location here. I put my scripts in the folder "Task Scheduler Library" So they are directly under \Tree.

Also you could enable Task history and then look to see if anything shows up.
http://www.hal6000.com/seti/images/task_hist.png
3401) Message boards : Number crunching : Please rise the limits... just a little... (Message 1345311)
Posted 11 Mar 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
BOINCStats reports SETI@Home has 420,541 active hosts. The next project down in active hosts is Einstein@Home with 262,645. So I would say if Einstein is having issues then our servers must be held together with wizardry.
3402) Message boards : Number crunching : disk usage (Message 1344330)
Posted 9 Mar 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Sometimes I do find stray files from tasks that BOINC has run & for whatever reason not deleted once finished. Normally I only look on machines when they fall back to one of their backup projects. At most it only turns out to be a few tasks.

I would probably just check the size of the BOINC folder on that drive & see if it seems larger than expected.
3403) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows TCP Settings - Follow up - Help with server communication (Message 1344216)
Posted 8 Mar 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Since adding the value to my win7 registry, I have since rebooted, and I was able to download 2 APs today without a proxy and they went to completion.

As for slowing other things down.. I have not observed this. In fact, I downloaded an Ubuntu ISO just a few minutes ago and it took about 5 seconds to ramp up to 4.2 MiB/s and stayed there until completion.

Downloaded a 720p youtube video and it, too, took a few seconds to ramp up, but ran at 4.2 MiB/s until completion. However, I was able to download like that before, except now AP downloads don't time-out and stall.

Seems like a win-win.

In practice the 8 bytes of overhead per packet will not have any noticeable slow down.
3404) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows TCP Settings - Follow up - Help with server communication (Message 1344106)
Posted 8 Mar 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
OK, now we've had a good laugh, can we keep this thread clear for serious, hard, technical appraisal and constructive feedback, please?

[edit: sorry, not referring to you, Cliff - unfortunate timing there]

Well, I am sure that the option shall not be pushed in the next MS update...LOL.

But, one has to be curious why it was chosen not to enable it by default.
Does anybody know of a downside?
For example, does it limit transmission speeds when one is NOT dealing with a congested network connection?

The TimeStamp information adds two 4 byte tags for 8 bytes total in each 64k packet. So technically yes it actually does reduce the amount of data sent per packet.
However, if you are having data transmission issues it is advantageous to have a slight reduction in speed for data accuracy.

It is sort of like enabling Jumbo Packets. If you need to enable it then it is a gain. Otherwise it just slows things down.
3405) Message boards : Number crunching : Gigabit up the hill (Message 1344097)
Posted 8 Mar 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I would say it is time to get this thing rolling. I would also like to add the following suggestion of adding a speed cap of 100KB/s or even just 50KB/s. I remember when SETI got the 100Mbps link running, and thought why it was necessary to download a 366KB WU at 700KB/s? These are not large pieces of data, and I believe a speed cap like this would help make better use of the bandwidth available. Even an Astropulse unit would download in 2 minutes and 45 seconds at 50KB/s. Until we get cards that can do a work unit that fast, I don't think there is any need to download at that speed. I am aware of GPUUG's efforts, but none seem to focus on the Gigabit cause

I have looked for a fundraiser campaign or something to donate for the fiber line but I can not find it. Is there one?

It is a primarily a campus political/bureaucratic issue. Also the guys in the lab are looking to move their servers "down the hill" to some sort of campus server room. I think it was Technical News Where this information was posted recently.
3406) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows TCP Settings - Follow up - Help with server communication (Message 1344062)
Posted 8 Mar 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
One probabily "stupid" question, there is not a simple command that could made in the server side that make the job? Or at least eliminate the need of the changes in the windows hosts? My point is, others projects works fine without need to make this ajust in the client side, so that is possible. Is easy to make the ajust in one server than who knows 200K clients?, and sure a lot of users never read the threads so they will not make the ajust at all, besides of those who don´t whant/know who to do.

Maybe you Richard could talk with Matt and see if that is possible. Probabily all we need is a simple change in the configuration on the server side.

Various documentation from Microsoft does state that Windows will use the TCP1323Opts options if the other end requests it. There are two explanations I like.
One comes from a Server 2003 document:
"The default behavior is as follows: do not use the Timestamp and Window Scale options when initiating TCP connections but use them if the TCP peer that is initiating communication includes them in the SYN segment."
The other comes from a Windows CE document:
"By default, this value does not initiate options but provides them if requested."
So it may be possible to enable this option on the servers to have Windows hosts use it once connected.

However Microsoft suggests setting the value to 1 or 3 for better performance.
3407) Message boards : Number crunching : 2 older cards be worth it? (Message 1343809)
Posted 7 Mar 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Depending on what you spend on a "cheap system" it could be a platform to rotate cards into as you upgrade your main system(s). You could probably spend ~$250-$350 putting together a dual PCIe x16 slot i3 or AMD equivalent. The added cost of running the older cards may not be be worth it to you depending on the worth you place in it.
3408) Message boards : Number crunching : different kinds of errors (Message 1343734)
Posted 7 Mar 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
That host is using x41zc which looks to have more code to handle triplets than the stock or older releases.
Thread call stack limit is: 1k
Find triplets Cuda kernel encountered too many triplets, or bins above threshold, reprocessing this PoT on CPU...
cudaAcc_free() called...
cudaAcc_free() running...
cudaAcc_free() PulseFind freed...
cudaAcc_free() Gaussfit freed...
cudaAcc_free() AutoCorrelation freed...
cudaAcc_free() DONE.
3409) Message boards : Number crunching : Fingers gettin sore and calloused? (Message 1343502)
Posted 6 Mar 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Tired of pushing retry, flushing and registering DNS or the Update button?
Use Windows Task Scheduler to perform your "Update" and "Seti Network Reset" functions.
Set Task Scheduler to call to your .bat files to perform a desired function. I set the Network Reset to occur every 5 minutes and "Update" happens once every hour. I stagger the scheduler start times to keep multiple triggers on multiple computers from happening at the same time.

I haven't needed to push any buttons in a few years. With the issues introduced in BOINC I automated the tasks retry and scheduler updates for my machines. At the moment I run a .bat every 2 hours to retry transfers, if there are any, & a schedule update every 12 hours. With the 100 task limit BOINC constantly preforms schedule updates between my automated requests. So it is just there for me to make sure machines are still running mostly.
Then, because BOINC gets confused & needs it. I also have a network disable/enable that occurs every 6 hours.

Which is just a one line, per host, command like this:
boinccmd --host HostName --passwd Password --set_network_mode never 30

If you are just doing the local machine.
boinccmd --set_network_mode never 30

That will disable network comms for 30 seconds and then return the network setting to whatever it was before issuing the command.

I also have commands that disable my network comms between 12:01AM & 4:00AM US EST.
3410) Message boards : Number crunching : different kinds of errors (Message 1343261)
Posted 5 Mar 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The other results were done by GPUs. Which when they get to many triplets throw out a -12 exit status which is classified as an error. The -9 exit status is not classified as an error, but indicates that 30 or more than 30 results were found. Which stops processing at that point..
3411) Message boards : Number crunching : BoincView will not connect to a remote host (Message 1343065)
Posted 4 Mar 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hm...
I tried this from the windows machine: "can't connect to..."

Then I tried it from a linux host at the same network as the "bad" server: "./boinccmd: error while loading shared libraries: libssl.so.0.9.8: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory"

Then I tried it on the "bad" host itself: "Authorization failure: -155".

I have tried with and without the remote_hosts.cfg without any luck.

That does seem to show port 31416 isn't open between the windows & Linux host. Otherwise you would have gotten the "Authorization failure" message from there as well.

Is that host command line only or does it have a GUI environment installed? If there is a GUI environment. Does BOINC Manager run & connect to the client correctly? If it doesn't I would suspect gui_rpc_auth.cfg is somehow damaged or unreadable by the client apps. Do they run under an account that can not read that file?
3412) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (82) Server Problems? (Message 1343049)
Posted 4 Mar 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Master database queries/second 1,305

Sure hope oscar doesn't blow a gasket!

Things have been running soooooo smoothly recently

Edit - back down to 544

It could have been the daily stats being generated, but since Matt commented & didn't mention that maybe not.
3413) Message boards : Number crunching : BoincView will not connect to a remote host (Message 1343048)
Posted 4 Mar 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
For testing you could trying using boinccmd between the two machines. Something simple like:
boinccmd --host 192.168.101.10 --passwd password --get_host_info
should be good.

The start info shows you are using the cc_config.xml option and the remote_hosts.cfg option to define access.
04-Mar-2013 17:40:01 [---] Config: GUI RPC allowed from any host
04-Mar-2013 17:40:01 [---] Config: GUI RPC allowed from:
04-Mar-2013 17:40:01 [---] Config: 192.168.1.10
Maybe this is confusing the client?

That host doesn't have any kind of SW firewall running be default does it?
3414) Message boards : Number crunching : GTX 590 questions (Message 1342961)
Posted 4 Mar 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Unless the driver you are using has vendor specific descriptors in the inf any manufactures nvidia card should be OK.
EDIT: The bundeled software that came with your Gigabyte card may not work with other manufactures cards. So you might want to go with 3rd party software for overclocking & monitoring.

BOINC & SETI@Home use each card, more or less, independently. So you should not need to worry about mixing brands or models of the same generation. If you are planning to use the cards together via SLI for games or graphics software that is a separate matter. I think you still want to disable SLI for BOINCing.

AFAIK dummy plugs have not been required for a while, but I have not kept up on that.
3415) Message boards : Number crunching : your app_info.xml does not have a usable version of AstroPulse.v6 (Message 1342959)
Posted 4 Mar 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Sometimes I get that message on machines that are not configured for AP & are in a venue with the setting 'AstroPulse v6: no'. Just one of those weird interactions on the server side I guess.

On my machines where I want to run AP tasks I set my project preferences like this:
Run only the selected applications
		SETI@home Enhanced: no
		Astropulse v505: no
		SETI@home v7: no
		AstroPulse v6: yes
If no work for selected applications is available, accept work from other applications?
		yes


Even with those settings they normally struggle to get any AP work. However, at the moment it looks like those machines are full up with 100 AP tasks.
3416) Message boards : Number crunching : Astropulse 604 question (Message 1342954)
Posted 4 Mar 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I just grabbed the current Nvidia astropulse app and opened AP6_win_x86_SSE2_OpenCL_NV.aistub. Which contains astropulse 604 version tags.
3417) Message boards : Number crunching : OpenCL Error (Message 1342953)
Posted 4 Mar 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have removed everything.
Rebooted and installed 12.6.
But now I can no longer use the setting 1440 x 900.
And I also can no longer open Catalyst control center.
It is gone...

I had to install 13.1 to have my settings back correct.

Something I had to do on my notebook, for my HD6350M, was to install the driver from one package and then just the Cat Control Center from a newer package.

I think AMD likes to makes things extremely painful for its users.
3418) Message boards : Number crunching : AMD Radeon HD 6630M (GPU Usage) (Message 1342951)
Posted 4 Mar 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I am not sure how the MAC uses its video memory. Only having 256MB of video memory could be an issue even if the apps were ported or you tried to run them under Windows.
3419) Message boards : Number crunching : What model/brand of UPS are you using (Message 1342950)
Posted 4 Mar 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Does that mean you don't consider the Cyberpower mentioned
a true sine wave UPS?

Cyber Power calls it 'simulated sine wave' output when on battery.
They do not elaborate on that.
So I would say not.


?
PP1500SWT4
"The Smart App Sinewave Series is designed for corporate networks and telecommunication equipment that require high-performance pure sine wave technology."
"On Battery Waveform Sine Wave"

Yes....
Cyber Power does also make true sine wave backups.
The ones I have are the 1500AVR, which have the 'simulated sine wave' output.
There is a price difference between the two versions.

Generally when they say "simulated sine wave" it means a stepped sine wave instead of a straight square wave like older UPS models would output. Here is a picture of the 3 types overlapped for comparison.
Generally manufactures now list the "Waveform Type" in their specs & it looks like the even the cheapest models from the major manufactures no longer use square wave output.
3420) Message boards : Number crunching : Missing start tag in cc_config.xml (Message 1342942)
Posted 4 Mar 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
My cc_config looks like this
<set_cc_config>
<cc_config>
<options>
<use_all_gpus>1</use_all_gpus>
</options>
</cc_config>
</set_cc_config>

I get this message Missing start tag in cc_config.xml

how do I get my boinc to use both cards?

When all else fails. Read the instructions. :)
http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Client_configuration#Configuration_file

Personally I normally spend far to long doing things the hard way first.
3421) Message boards : Number crunching : Abandoned tasks - Ongoing issue (Message 1342939)
Posted 4 Mar 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Is anybody able to confirm me that newer versions will take care of the cleaning?

I can confirm that it doesn't.

I was using 7.0.x when it happened to me (four times so far) and all tasks stayed, wasting time and electricity like there is no tomorrow. In my case, it always happened during constant scheduler timeouts.

And no, I totally don't believe it's a security issue (as in someone trying to fake your host ID). Definitely another bug in server software.
It all started happening suddenly, exactly at the same time than scheduler troubles, months ago.

I think it was a few months ago when I, & I think many others, were also getting abandoned tasks. IIRC the message in BOINC was something like "removing task - abandoned by server".
Which as I was saying before could be a different abandoned state than what is going on here.
3422) Message boards : Number crunching : Abandoned tasks - Ongoing issue (Message 1342188)
Posted 1 Mar 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
One of my hosts did have an issue with several abandoned a day some time ago. However the tasks were not retained on the system. I'm not sure if that was due to the nature how those tasks were flagged as abandoned or if the newer BOINC 6.12 client takes care of cleaning out abandoned tasks.

If a reset works you could automate running it on a schedule every 6 or 12 hours. The command line syntax would be: boinccmd --project http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/ reset
3423) Message boards : Number crunching : Abandoned tasks - Ongoing issue (Message 1342174)
Posted 1 Mar 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Once the tasks are flagged as abandoned are they not removed from your client on that or the next update?

This host shows ~ 200 "abandoned" today & 129 "In progress" at the moment. So if that host only has 129 tasks on hand I don't see what the issue is. If you have over 300 tasks on hand that is an issue.
3424) Message boards : Number crunching : What model/brand of UPS are you using (Message 1342073)
Posted 1 Mar 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I hesitated to mention APC, because they had a REALLY bad rep for producing backups that claimed x and delivered much less than -x, even when new.
They were the cheapest on the market, and delivered as such.
That was a long time ago, dunno if they have changed their image since then.

I only switched to using the Back-UPS Pro models, from the Smart-UPS models, in 2005. So I can not really say anything about their home units before that.

If only reviewers would test & compare UPS's like everything else.
3425) Message boards : Number crunching : Processor cores and threads (Message 1342064)
Posted 1 Mar 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
A question about AMD FX-8350 Vishera 4.0GHz that has 8 cores does anyone know if it has 2 threads per core and Better for number crunching , project running.
Or is a intel quad core just as fast with its dual thread.

The Top Hosts includes several machines using a FX-8350. You could view their CPU processing times to compare with other CPU times. You may need to send those users a message to find out how they are running their system for accurate comparison.
The i7's in my computers list run 8 threads 24/7.

I just did a quick comparison
A host with a FX-8350
One of my hosts with an i7-860
A host with an i7-3770K
I could only find tasks in the AR range of .36 to compare.
FX-8350: ~8600 seconds, or about 2h 23m
i7-860: ~9400 seconds, or about 2h 37m
i7-3770K: ~6400 seconds, or about 1h 47m
3426) Message boards : Number crunching : What model/brand of UPS are you using (Message 1342048)
Posted 1 Mar 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Currently I am using a 1300va APC, like this guy, for my main gaming machine & a few other machines. I also have an older 1000va APC in the living room for my HTPC & TV.

Home UPS units generally have a much lower rating, about 60%, for their output in Watts versus the VA(volt amp) rating. So be sure to check both when selecting your model. Running full tilt my C2D E8400 with a HD6870 runs around 220w IIRC.
3427) Message boards : Number crunching : My American Friends !!! (Message 1341745)
Posted 28 Feb 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I already have transfers suspended from 05:00-09:00 UTC. What more do you want from me! :P
3428) Message boards : Number crunching : Mass Timeout -> No CPU Work (Message 1341743)
Posted 28 Feb 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
It looks like all of those tasks were VLAR resends during a GPU work request. Which will cause them to timeout as VLAR work is not allowed to be send to GPUs.

BOINC generally likes to fill the queue for the GPU before the CPU. So you may need to temporally disable GPU work request to fill your CPU cache.
3429) Message boards : Number crunching : Abandoned tasks - Ongoing issue (Message 1341639)
Posted 28 Feb 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I forget the triggers that cause tasks to be abandoned. You can check your stdoutdae.txt or stdoutdae.old to see if the reason was stated locally in your log.
3430) Message boards : Number crunching : Still not about the science.... (Message 1341343)
Posted 27 Feb 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Personally I'm curious how you got over 300+ WU waiting to process on a CPU only rig.

Because they are using an older version of BOINC that doesn't report current tasks, or something along those lines.
3431) Message boards : Number crunching : Is my server losing a DIMM? (Message 1338897)
Posted 16 Feb 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Rest easy Dave, in the world of servers and desktops DIMM still rule while their smaller cousins SO-DIMM are used in the laptops and the like.

LOL

And I still have been anything but proactive here. I haven't changed the modules around to different slots yet.
Fortunately I have had no repeats of the error yet!

I guess I'll just hope it was a fluke, and I'll blame it on some seti work-units so that I can rest easy about it. :-)

When I first started seeing EEC messages on one of my server it was only every few weeks. Then became more frequent I waited until I was getting 3 or 4 a day to do anything about it. As it was more of a warning instead of a "This part has failed. Replace it now!" message.

Gee. I never get those messages. Just usually the BSOD, LOL.

IIRC these servers will actually stop using memory if they think it is starting to go wonky. However that might require it to be setup in a mirrored memory configuration. Which I don't have enough DIMMS to do on the old machines & I don't think I could pass a PO for $4000 of some old ECC DDR2 past my boss.
3432) Message boards : Number crunching : How many Computers do you have Running BOINC Projects? (Message 1338892)
Posted 16 Feb 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Actively running 26 on SETI@Home with PrimeGrid as their backup. With another 6 in reserve if I can get more of that green papery stuff that pays for things.
3433) Message boards : Number crunching : REMOVE THE LIMITS (Message 1338889)
Posted 16 Feb 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I think a gradual increase in the GPU cache limits would be reasonable to attempt, until it may be determined that it starts to cause any database problems again.
And if it does, I would say the database or it's software is in need of a rework.

I think "fix DB issues" is on the to do list, but out of the other 8562 issues I'm not sure here it falls in priority.
3434) Message boards : Number crunching : Added GTX670 Not getting expected performance Boost (Message 1338888)
Posted 16 Feb 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I prefer to use the older BOINC Manager with the never BOINC. There are a few options not in the GUI in the older manager, but not anything I need to bother with since I generally don't use local settings.
3435) Message boards : Number crunching : Is my server losing a DIMM? (Message 1338887)
Posted 16 Feb 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Rest easy Dave, in the world of servers and desktops DIMM still rule while their smaller cousins SO-DIMM are used in the laptops and the like.

LOL

And I still have been anything but proactive here. I haven't changed the modules around to different slots yet.
Fortunately I have had no repeats of the error yet!

I guess I'll just hope it was a fluke, and I'll blame it on some seti work-units so that I can rest easy about it. :-)

When I first started seeing EEC messages on one of my server it was only every few weeks. Then became more frequent I waited until I was getting 3 or 4 a day to do anything about it. As it was more of a warning instead of a "This part has failed. Replace it now!" message.
3436) Message boards : Number crunching : Is my server losing a DIMM? (Message 1335998)
Posted 9 Feb 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
One of my old Dell boxes is starting to complain about one of the DIMM's as well. It is actually memory one of the other servers was complains about a few months ago. So I swapped it into a less important box. Now once again that memory is getting flagged.
So I might have to break down and replace it.
3437) Message boards : Number crunching : A Modest Proposal for Easy FREE Bandwidth Relief (Message 1334928)
Posted 5 Feb 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
(snippage)

This might be useful if we hit another issue like Nvidia cards choking on VLAR work. Then that selection could be removed/disabled or something along those lines.


Not all Nvidia cards choke on VLARs. It would be nice people
that should know better would quit regurgitating this untruth.


I am aware it only is an issue for some devices. I was using that as an example because it was a significant issue to cause a change in the project.

I would not mind seeing a way to limit or stop or limit VLAR tasks to my 24 core box. As it tends to get rather unresponsive running 24 VLAR's at once. VHAR's it chews through like a mad man.
3438) Message boards : Number crunching : Win 7-64 Bios Upgrade (Message 1334923)
Posted 5 Feb 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
So changing the OS selection on the Dell support site to Vista 64 bit didn't give you the 64-bit bios update tool?

Their support site has shoot me in the foot a few times be refreshing, defaulting back to XP, & then giving me the wrong files.
3439) Message boards : Number crunching : A Modest Proposal for Easy FREE Bandwidth Relief (Message 1334708)
Posted 4 Feb 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Perhaps they could tag tasks as VHAR like they do with VLAR & then setup sub projects for each type. I'm thinking something like how Primegrid works.
Example for those that don't run that project. http://www.hal6000.com/seti/images/pg_subs.png
Then users could disable/enable their hardware for each type.
Seti@Home Enhanced VHAR
Seti@Home Enhanced
Seti@Home Enhanced VLAR
Seti@Home v7 VHAR
Seti@Home v7
Seti@Home v7 VLAR
SETI@home v7 large workunits
Astropulse v6

This might be useful if we hit another issue like Nvidia cards choking on VLAR work. Then that selection could be removed/disabled or something along those lines.
3440) Message boards : Number crunching : Astropulse server problem? (Message 1334588)
Posted 4 Feb 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have not watched an AP task download in a while, but my machines that do run AP tasks have download averages of ~100k.
3441) Message boards : Number crunching : Vista 32 vs W7 64 - Same Comp - Any faster? (Message 1334586)
Posted 4 Feb 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Generally the storage media for BOINC & tasks is irreverent. There could be some benefit to faster storage, but it may be so small no one has been able to measure it.

A default install of 7 has a few less things running in the background than Vista. So that may actually help a bit. If your Vista installation was the factory install with all of their "stuff" installed and running that may be prove to be a more significant gain.
3442) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (81) Server Problems? (Message 1333560)
Posted 1 Feb 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Someone must kick a machine maybe at the lab, and PLEASE RAISE THE LIMITS.

100+100 is ridiculous. At times like that, all the machines are going to sleep. Give us 1000 for Gpu and 100 for Cpu.

Just an idea… Maybe they feed us with many wu’s , but BOINC , will not connect every 5 minutes , but every 10, or 15.
By that way we will not use the bandwidth so often, so many computers, because uploads are much smaller than the downloads, even if we must have to upload 50, 100 at a time.

Tim

The limits were put in place to deal with a database issue not bandwidth.
3443) Message boards : Number crunching : Reseting BOINC (Message 1333554)
Posted 1 Feb 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
You may also need to allow the connection on your firewall. NTP uses UDP port 123. So you would have to allow an outbound connection from your LAN to "any" address on the WAN/internet on UDP port 123.

Cheers
Jeff

Another option may be to have the machine send its NTP request to the router. Which would be configured to sync its time form the internet. This is what I do at home.
3444) Message boards : Number crunching : How low can you go? (Message 1333551)
Posted 1 Feb 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Should it disturb me that all these men are talking about my wife's RAC?


Not really, Eric.

We're nerds, geeks, and computer hobbyists, so we can't help but notice TFLOPS.

I like big bytes & I can not lie.
3445) Message boards : Number crunching : Open beta for OpenCL AstroPulse for Intel GPUs started (Message 1332921)
Posted 30 Jan 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
And here I am looking at the i5-3350P which is the one ivy bridge desktop CPU without graphics.

Also I wonder why Xeon E3-1200 w/ P4000 GPU are not being supported. Perhaps to push their Phi coprocessors instead.
3446) Message boards : Politics : MS Office 2013 (Message 1332804)
Posted 30 Jan 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I'm sticking with Office 2000 or sometimes Open Office.
3447) Message boards : Number crunching : no tasks available? (Message 1332782)
Posted 30 Jan 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I wonder if they internally track something along the lines of "average number of tasks in feeder queue/hr".
3448) Message boards : Number crunching : Typical Watts Needed For 10K Stones Per Day? (Message 1332501)
Posted 29 Jan 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have a wide range of hardware that I use for crunching which you can see here.
The 5 i7-860 machines have a RAC of about 8000, running 8 CPU tasks at once, & uses around 100 watts.
The dual Xeon E5645 server has a RAC of about 16K, running 24 tasks at once, & uses around 300 watts.

In testing at home I did find my old Pentium M notebook was about as efficient at my Core 2 Duo E8500 system in terms of power to credit. Pentium 4's are several order of magnitude less efficient than the newer core designs & GPU's are on a whole other level in terms of power to output.

EDIT:
If you goal is to have RAC of ~10K you could purchase 1 modern GPU can easily exceed that using less power than some of the single systems you currently have. The duty cycle you run your systems also will be a factor. Using 100w 24/7 is around 73KWh with my rates of ~$0.18 that is about $13/mo. So 10 100w systems would run about $130/mo. A 100w system with a 150w GPU would be around $33/mo.
3449) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (80) Server Problems? (Message 1332349)
Posted 28 Jan 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Can someone recommend a good reliable source to get a paid proxy that would work with SETI?

I am sure you could find a private paid proxy to use, but you might want to hit up the free ones first.
http://www.xroxy.com/proxylist.php?port=&type=&ssl=&country=US&latency=&reliability=&sort=port#table
3450) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (80) Server Problems? (Message 1332348)
Posted 28 Jan 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

Some random thoughts in the evening..

.. are AP and MB work units generated on some machine and then copied over network to a distribution server?

If so, are they loaded to the download server using the same network card/interface that is used by users to download work units to their machines?

if so, could it be that the generator/copier saturates the channel?

if not so, how about the disk read/write speed of the download machine? Simultaneous red/write operations could hurt RAID performance. The writes alone are quite costly.

But I guess that you have ruled these out already.

IIRC most of, if not all, the servers use a Fibre Channel interconnect to the storage array.

They have seen the FC network become saturated before, but that was from some changes they were trying I believe. Most of that kind of stuff gets posted in Technical News.
3451) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (80) Server Problems? (Message 1332309)
Posted 28 Jan 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
In that case why do we get reasonable download rates sometime when the splitters are going all out, and yet others (like now) the performance is very poor?

It seems to be usually when the larger AP WUs are added to the download mix that things get rather tied up. I have noticed at times that it appears that AP downloads, although still slow, seem to be less likely to stall or hang, thus tying up the download link longer.

AP's are ~20 times larger than MB, but only take about 6 times the amount of time to process. The 100Mb pipe is often sufficient for standard MB tasks when there isn't a large volume of shorties. Add in AP or batches of shorties and then it does get choked. Hopefully the work towards larger MB tasks will help take some of the load off of the line.
3452) Message boards : Number crunching : 2 graphic cards at 1 PCIe slot? (Message 1330738)
Posted 24 Jan 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
You might need to look for something such as this.
http://www.supermicro.com/a_images/products/Accessories/RSC-R2UT-2E8R.jpg
Depending on your needs a different riser might be what you need. Here is their full list.
http://www.supermicro.com/support/resources/riser/riser.aspx

There are several ways to do this. The main issue I would see is mounting the cards in the setup.

3453) Message boards : Number crunching : Adding a GPU - Feedback and choices (Message 1326790)
Posted 11 Jan 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I just remembered the machines are BTX format systems. The CPU and i/o slots are laid out in reverse order from an ATX system. So dual slot cards will not work.
You will probably have to find a single slot model or you would have to try to modify the bracket on a dual slot card.
All of the 630's I have seen, so far, in single slot configuration are DDR3 instead of 5. A bit slower, but all are 100% faster than your current card. There are a few 640's, like this model, that are single slot. However they are initially a bit over the $80 you specified until their rebate is factored.
3454) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (80) Server Problems? (Message 1326673)
Posted 11 Jan 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Something's gone away....
Everything was still going fine about 5 hours ago when I went to bed. This morning I have a bunch of rigs that have dropped back to Einstein because they can't connect to the server to report and get new work.

Whazzup?

Looking over my logs for the night I see spurts of "Scheduler request failed: HTTP gateway timeout", but I often see that the bandwidth is maxed constantly pegged.
3455) Message boards : Number crunching : Adding a GPU - Feedback and choices (Message 1326671)
Posted 11 Jan 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Looking at the comparison for the 600 series on wikipedia shows 3 different 630 cards.

While there is a version listed with 192 cores I couldn't find anyone selling one. So my next preference would be for the GDDR5 version. Looks like newegg has one for $50, after a rebate, right now too. It looks like there are also a few GT 640 cards around that would fit within your budget.

With the lower power consumption of these cards you will not have to worry about using a PCIe power connector. Which your machine may not have if they are liek the Optiplex 745's I have.
3456) Message boards : Number crunching : How do I run the stock CPU apps with optimized GPU apps? (Message 1326378)
Posted 10 Jan 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Stupid noob question here, but I'm attempting to install the latest CUDA optimized apps and it seems to me that when I create an app_info.xml with the various pieces of information that come with the x41zc package, I will no longer have any app entries for the various stock CPU applications.

Is there a solution for this problem, perhaps a "default" app_info.xml file that I could use? Or am I missing something entirely?

You can run stock CPU apps using an app_info.xml. It just falls into the "not advised" category. One issue is that the stock apps will no longer get updated from the server.</disclaimer>

You would just need to add the CPU info to the current app_info.xml you have. Here is a stripped down example displaying CPU & GPU info in an app_info.xml.

<app_info> 
    <app>
        <name>setiathome_enhanced</name>
    </app>
    <file_info>
        <name>stock_cpu_app.exe</name>
        <executable/>
    </file_info>
    <app_version>
        <app_name>setiathome_enhanced</app_name>
        <version_num>603</version_num>
	<platform>windows_x86_64</platform>
        <file_ref>
           <file_name>stock_cpu_app.exe</file_name>
           <main_program/>
        </file_ref>
    </app_version>
    <app>
        <name>setiathome_enhanced</name>
    </app>
    <file_info>
        <name>Lunatics_x41g_win32_cuda32.exe</name>
        <executable/>
    </file_info>
    <file_info>
        <name>cudart32_32_16.dll</name>
        <executable/>
    </file_info>
    <file_info>
        <name>cufft32_32_16.dll</name>
        <executable/>
    </file_info>
    <app_version>
        <app_name>setiathome_enhanced</app_name>
        <version_num>610</version_num>
	<platform>windows_x86_64</platform>
        <plan_class>cuda</plan_class>
        <avg_ncpus>0.040000</avg_ncpus>
        <max_ncpus>0.040000</max_ncpus>
        <coproc>
            <type>CUDA</type>
            <count>1</count>
        </coproc>
        <file_ref>
            <file_name>Lunatics_x41g_win32_cuda32.exe</file_name>
            <main_program/>
         </file_ref>
        <file_ref>
	    <file_name>cudart32_32_16.dll</file_name>
        </file_ref>
        <file_ref>
            <file_name>cufft32_32_16.dll</file_name>
        </file_ref>
    </app_version>
</app_info>
3457) Message boards : Number crunching : Date format changed in Workunit reports (Message 1326060)
Posted 9 Jan 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The date format used to be

22 Feb 2013 | 16:05:47 UTC

As of today it's changed to

9 Jan 2013, 8:19:19 UTC

Both are text strings, but the new one is harder to convert back into a date value - instead of simply taking the leftmost 11 characters, I now need to detect the comma. I wonder if it's possible to either introduce the leading zero or shift the comma right by one space, so I can continue to use the formula I have in Excel to extract the data value, and if so who would I ask? I know it isn't of earth-shattering importance, but it would be slightly nicer if the reporting format stayed consistent.

The good thing about standards there are so many to choose.
Personally I would prefer the date time format to be YYYY-MM-DD HH:MM:SS. So they would read "2013-01-09 08:19:19".
If you are doing things in excel you could just do a replace matching "2013," to "2013 ," which would fix your formatting issues.
3458) Message boards : Number crunching : where did my stats graph go?? (Message 1325828)
Posted 8 Jan 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
You can try opening your statistics_setiathome.berkeley.edu.xml in notepad to see if the data is still present. If the data is still there it might just be a GUI issue. I would try restarting manager.
3459) Message boards : Number crunching : want to run on a AGP GPU (Message 1324585)
Posted 4 Jan 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hi again,
I've installed the card with the v12.1 hotfix and the card is working and recognized by the project as AMD ATI Radeon HD 4600 series (R730) (1024MB) driver: 1.4.1664

It appears to be working fine and GPU-Z shows the opencl box as checked.

I have "ATI GPU" option enabled in my SETI preferences, but SETI so far has not sent any GPU WU's (don't think that the scheduled downtime has started yet). BOINC also did not do a bench test on the GPU (I thought it would have done that).

I'm still confused about the lunatic builds. According to the website, two of the installers have been pulled because of "licensing concerns", but there are other files as well. Is there something from there I should get?
http://lunatics.kwsn.net/index.php?module=Downloads

Cheers

BOINC doesn't benchmark the GPU at this time. It uses the manufacture specified number for the card. Which is probably 383, or 416 GFLOPS for the card.
Right now there are only GPU Apps to download. The app "AP 6.01 r555 ATI OpenCL" is the most recently. However, "ATI OpenCL MultiBeam 6.10 App (rev177) for Windows" is an older version. I am not sure if the most recent version (r390) is subject to the licensing issue or not. It is possible to create an app_info.xml file that would let you run the stock CPU apps and the optimized GPU apps, but it can be a bit tricky.
3460) Message boards : Number crunching : want to run on a AGP GPU (Message 1324370)
Posted 3 Jan 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
You would probably be better off getting an older 8000 or 9000 NVIDIA PCI card or two for the system.


This would work.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814139050
....

Thanks for reply. Yeah I wouldn't spend $80 on a new PCI card. There are people selling better spec used AGP cards now and then. If I could find a HD4000+ AGP used, then price wise I'd be happier with that.

Cheers

The HD3850 is not really one you would want to buy for crunching. As it lacks OpenCL support it will only run the hybrid Astropulse application. I have one in my old P4 machine.

I have seen both HD4650 & HD4670 cards in AGP. A HD4350 is borderline, but has been known to work.

Also I have remember that lunatics OpenCL application requires the CPU support SSE3. Which could stop everything in its tracks for an ATI card for you.

If you are not familiar with SSE you can grab CPUID & run it. http://www.cpuid.com/downloads/cpu-z/1.62-32bits-en.zip It will display a section with "Instructions" Which you would want to see SSE (1, 2, 3)
3461) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (80) Server Problems? (Message 1324312)
Posted 3 Jan 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Something's definitely going on. When the Servers came back up yesterday I had 24 AstroPulses remaining. I've only received a handful since yesterday. I'm down to my last 3 at present. You can look around and see I'm not alone. Most of the computers I saw were out or only had a couple, one had 14. All I get is "Project has no tasks available" when asking for APs, even though the server page lists 25,000 ready to send.

Yeah, either something is not working quite right, or they deliberately changed some settings.
Even though there is beaucoup work ready to send, the bandwidth is not being fully utilized. It would appear to me that perhaps the scheduler/feeder combo might not be up to speed.

Perhaps they turned it down a bit to relieve some stress on the backend network. I think Matt hand mentioned there might be some issues going on there in his last news post.
3462) Message boards : Number crunching : want to run on a AGP GPU (Message 1324303)
Posted 3 Jan 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Actually the only AGP cards you will be able to use are ATI. HD2000 and newer can be used with the lunatics hybrid Astropulse app, but for OpenCL support you need a newer HD4000 card.

You would probably be better off getting an older 8000 or 9000 NVIDIA PCI card or two for the system.

Either way you will be spending a fair amount of money on some pretty old tech, but if it what you want to do we will try to help you find what you want.
3463) Message boards : Number crunching : Can I use my GTX 680 with my old GTX 285? Optimized apps? (Message 1324158)
Posted 3 Jan 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
BOINC may or may not want to use both by default. Sometimes it is required to tell BOINC to use all GPU's in the system. You can also tell it to specifically not use a GPU if you would not like it to. All of those options can be set using the parameters in the cc_config.xml, see Client Config, which does not exist by default.

The only issues I would see with using both is that the 200 series cards don't really handle running more than one task at a time. Where your 600 card can run 2 or 3 at once. BOINC does not current have an option to configure app instance per specific device. Only per device type.
3464) Message boards : Number crunching : Smartphone Crunching (Reprise) (Message 1324149)
Posted 3 Jan 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Bear in mind that a computer's USB port only provides a maximum of 500mA. If you have a wall charger for the phone, it's probably capable of supplying more current...


Note that by its specification USB 3.0 ports can supply up to 900 mA when transferring data, and 1.5 A when in "battery charge" mode.

The current battery charge specification states 5A as the maximum. However the specification sheets for Molex's micro USB connectors state they have a maximum capacity of 1.8A. Which is also the maximum capacity stated in the old Battery Charging Specification from '07.
3465) Message boards : Number crunching : Smartphone Crunching (Reprise) (Message 1324110)
Posted 3 Jan 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The client already exists for Andoid: NativeBOINC. I'm not sure what projects are being run, but the stats they have on the site show some devices with a higher RAC than most of my machines.

Milkyway for example, see this thread. PrimeGrid runs fine AFAIK and WUProp runs also on Android and that gives us a short list of projects that run on ARM/Android.

I ran some Milkyway & Primegrid on my phone when I first tested the client a while back. I didn't have any issues with my old MyTouch 3G Slide. Looking further into that stats list the project SubsetSum@Home looks to be the one cranking out the highest RAC for these devices, or the users are dedicating most of their time to that project for these devices.
3466) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (80) Server Problems? (Message 1323765)
Posted 2 Jan 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

I have over 150 machines that have not got any tasks today and they are getting tasks from Einstein which has a resource of 0.

Any idea why polling less than 303 seconds does not return the normal error about the request being too recent?


Um.. How do you fit all 150 machines at home? Or did you hijack a corporate server farm? How do you finance the powerbill for those 150 machines?

With a moderate assumption of 150W/machine would mean 22,5kW. At a 0,1€/kWh this would cost you 2,25€/hour -> 2,25€*24 = 54€/day -> 365* 54€/day = 19710€/year to run.

With the power youre spending you could trade in your car for a new one every year.

IIRC he owns a server farm. Which he runs projects on when he doesn't have it leased out.
3467) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (80) Server Problems? (Message 1323752)
Posted 2 Jan 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

Even if I query from the same server every 15 seconds I can not get any tasks. I never get the message that the request was too recent.

Anyone have an explanation or what I need to change?

The work requests are fulfilled by the feeder. Which only holds a few hundred at a time. It also only refills every so few seconds. Originally I think it was 100 tasks every 60 seconds, but it has been estimated that it has to be much higher and faster these days.


I have over 150 machines that have not got any tasks today and they are getting tasks from Einstein which has a resource of 0.

Any idea why polling less than 303 seconds does not return the normal error about the request being too recent?

They must have switched that off, perhaps temporally. I am not getting that from BETA either.
3468) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (80) Server Problems? (Message 1323743)
Posted 2 Jan 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
From a quick glance over the the above posts am I correct in assuming the situation can be summarized as follows:

There are plenty of work units to send, but they are not getting sent. (For whatever reason.)


The situation is normal after a period of machines running down their caches. Thousands of machines all requesting all the work they can at the same time.

Looking at my list of all tasks I have been allocated around 150 tasks across my machines in the past 15 minutes. Doing a quick check looks like they are all downloaded without any ghosts being made in the process.
3469) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (80) Server Problems? (Message 1323723)
Posted 2 Jan 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The WEB page is reporting "Results ready to send 4,743,749" but I have over a hundred systems that only get
"1/2/2013 1:24:47 PM | SETI@home | Project has no tasks available".
Even if I query from the same server every 15 seconds I can not get any tasks. I never get the message that the request was too recent.

Anyone have an explanation or what I need to change?

The work requests are fulfilled by the feeder. Which only holds a few hundred at a time. It also only refills every so few seconds. Originally I think it was 100 tasks every 60 seconds, but it has been estimated that it has to be much higher and faster these days.
3470) Message boards : Number crunching : Smartphone Crunching (Reprise) (Message 1323722)
Posted 2 Jan 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The client already exists for Andoid: NativeBOINC. I'm not sure what projects are being run, but the stats they have on the site show some devices with a higher RAC than most of my machines.
3471) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (80) Server Problems? (Message 1323714)
Posted 2 Jan 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The crickets live!

And have you seen the numbers of results ready to send?

"Results ready to send 4,738,529" [George Takei]Oh my.[/George Takei]
3472) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (80) Server Problems? (Message 1323639)
Posted 2 Jan 2013 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have my machines in full backup project mode with Primegrid at 0% resource.

Three of my faster machines have already failedover to Prime. Not sure when. I haven't been checking on things with the holidays & such. However most of my machines are still sporting a 5-7 day cache. As they are rather slow.
3473) Message boards : Number crunching : Manualy set program priority. (Message 1320171)
Posted 26 Dec 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
You could also set the no_priority_change value in your Client config to have everything start at normal priority. I am not sure if using the command line option of "start /high" would work in conjunction with that config settings to make everything run at high priority.

There is a command line option in windows to change application priority on the fly. http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=69381
3474) Message boards : Number crunching : Seti Boinc and Windows 8 Metro Apps (Message 1318904)
Posted 22 Dec 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hi all

I know, this might seem a little off topic here, but the only project I am running currently is SETI, so I've posted this here.

If I want to suspend CPU and/or GPU tasks , I can, by setting the relevant .exe file in Boinc Exclusive Applications.

How on earth do I do that with a windows 8 Metro app.

I'm finding those apps such as our 4OD and other video apps will become jerky, as BOINC is still running in the background.

Yes, I can de-activate BOINC or suspend it, but I was wondering how it could be done automatically, as is done in BOINC Exclusive Applications.

The Metro apps seem to run in an environment of their own, and don't seem to have individual .exe files that I can suspend.


Windows 8 (Metro) apps are just designed to run full screen. If you can't find the executable for the application you are running this might help.

-With your full screen app running access the Desktop
-Open Task Manager & select "show details" if you don't already have the details displayed.
-Select the details tab
-Find your running application using the description column.
-Your exe name will be on the left.
Like this: http://www.hal6000.com/seti/images/win8_tm.png

Alternatively:
-From Task Manager select the Processes tab
-Right click your running application and select properties.
-The exe name will be in the properties.
3475) Message boards : Number crunching : 2 Virtual PCs or 1 Proper? (Message 1318227)
Posted 21 Dec 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
IIRC a 3% hit in performance is a "best case" when running in a VM.

Another option to consider is to run BOINC on the native OS & then VM's on top of that. That is what I am currently doing with my 24 core box.
I am using Windows as the native OS with VirtualBox for the VM's. It is a larger hit in performance for the VM's, but the VM's I am running are very low load, such as DHCP & DNS. So if they have to wait a few extra clock cycles it doesn't really matter.
3476) Message boards : Number crunching : Unexected Logout (Message 1317666)
Posted 20 Dec 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I had to log in again recently. Looking over my cookies they are set to expire on 2013-06-29. So I expect I will have to log in again at that time.
3477) Message boards : Number crunching : Limits (Message 1316427)
Posted 17 Dec 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
So is this 100 WU limit per a computer or per an account?

Per computer, plus another 100 if it has at least one usable GPU.


So currently the most I'd be able to get is 100 WUs for the CPU and 100 WUs for GPUs regardless of the number of GPUs in the computer?

Yes, but note that it's a limit on tasks in progress. If you report 5 completions, you can get 5 new tasks to replace them. Most of the highly productive hosts are in that mode. It's not fair that the limits are really only affecting the top 8000 or so hosts, of course.
                                                                  Joe



I had an idea a while back how a weighted task value, based on the AR, could help prevent overloading a machine when it had nothing but VLAR tasks to work with in its queue. That would probably add even more complexity to the client. So probably not the best idea.
However a weighted value tracked on the server end might be a easier solution to making the workunits larger. To prevent very fast machines from acquiring a large number of tasks when VHAR's are being generated a predetermined value could be applied to a task which would be applied towards that task limit of the machine. I was thinking something along the lines of a 1/x, but it might want to be centered on the "normal" AR. So .42/x might work better, but I don't know if a task with an AR of .03 should count as 14.
3478) Message boards : Number crunching : Welcome to the 13 year club (Message 1314870)
Posted 13 Dec 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I remember when finishing a work unit was quite an accomplishment back in those days. Now we can knock out dozens a day.

Back then I was so excited when I had machines that would take less than 12 hours per work unit. So it would get 2 done per day.
These days I have a machine that takes 3-4 hours per task, but it is running 24 at once.
3479) Message boards : Number crunching : BOINC Milestones app on Facebook stopped working? (Message 1314390)
Posted 12 Dec 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Looks like when I try to access the app page it tried to load something. Then poops out and takes me back to my main page. Perhaps the developer for the app is no longer maintaining it.
3480) Message boards : Number crunching : AMD Piledriver or what comparable Intel CPU? (Message 1313700)
Posted 10 Dec 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
It looks like this review might be just what you would want to view.
AMD FX-8350 Review: Does Piledriver Fix Bulldozer's Flaws?

In some benchmarks the AMD comes out on top. In others it can't beat out an i5. It is unfortunate that review sites no longer benchmark with SETI@Home.

However for crunching power consumption is a key factor these days. They stated these power numbers for the test systems FX-8350 @ 182w & i7-3770K @ 130w. So depending on your motherboard & electric costs the extra $80 for the Intel CPU may or may not be worth it in the long run.
3481) Message boards : Number crunching : how do i find my ranking (Message 1313684)
Posted 10 Dec 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
how do i find my ranking

Probably the easiest way would be to go to your account & use one of the stat site links under "Cross-project statistics".
3482) Message boards : Number crunching : No FreeHAL forum... (Message 1313524)
Posted 10 Dec 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I think John got it with the cpu intensive and non-cpu intensive settings. On my Quad I run 4 x Seti plus 4 x Freehal non-intensive all at once. On your quad the only way you could run 9 workunits is to have 8 Seti plus 1 non-intensive Freehal.

Greetings

Chris

Greetings Chris,

That is exactly what is going on on both our i7 PCs, 8 plus 1. I just fail to understand how this can be. If 8 cores are being used, how can another WU be crunching concurrently adding up to 9 'cores'? One cannot get 9 cores out of a quad core CPU, only 8.

Also, and I'm not 100% sure on this, but it seems that the FreeHAL WU restarts with every restart of BOINC. I just did a bunch of driver updates and noticed that the progress for FreeHAL dropped to 0% each time the PC restarted and BOINC restarted. It's at 4% right now. I'll reboot the PC to confirm my suspicion one way or another. Be back in a bit...

Keep on BOINCing...! :)

From what I have read on their forum the tasks for FreeHAL do not checkpoint. So you must leave BOINC running until the FreeHAL task finishes. If the page was translated correctly. It seems you can use hibernation if you need to power off the machine & your progress will be saved.
3483) Message boards : Number crunching : New Members (Message 1313516)
Posted 10 Dec 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Gee what a warm welcome that would be. Sorry Hal but that is plain rude.

The fact is some people stop crunching, and some start. Lots of us are waiting in the wings to come back and help. Yes we realize that will put a strain on those servers we helped provide, and the link that we did not provide and we are sensitive to not adding undo strain to it. We are coming back (lots of us).

And in the mean time Hal, you are welcome.


It would seem I should have included the <sarcasm></sarcasm> tags in my message.
3484) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (79) Server Problems? (Message 1312379)
Posted 8 Dec 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Since the grass needs to be cut, everything seems to be running optimally.

I know the really heavy consumers of internet traffic are busy elsewhere,

but limiting internet downloads seems to help the schedular and the download

speeds. Now if we can switch over to AP's with no Shorties or MB's that would

be an excellent test of increasing the bandwidth from 100 Mbts to 200 Mbts.

Posing a question - Can 100Mbits handle confortably just AP's with no MB's

as 100 Mbits seem to be able to handle just MB's currently????

Its a question that begs IMHO to be answered.

Thanks

Bill aka Tom

AP tasks are about 20 times more data to transfer, but only require 10 times the amount of time to process. At leas for CPU. I imagine GPU processing would make the ratio even worse.
However if that was the only work going out it would be hard to say. Not all the current machines running can complete an AP tasks in time & some choose not to do them at all.
3485) Message boards : Technical News : The Gates of Delirium (Dec 06 2012) (Message 1312357)
Posted 8 Dec 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hopefully the replica shutting down gracefully will prevent future headaches for you guys.

If the power management situation needs improving & you guys have not already made a wishlist of extended run time UPS's, batteries, & PDU's. Perhaps a GPU Users Group fundraiser could be created to elevate any worries with future power outages.

I would imagine there are higher priority items at this time, but loosing hardware from a power outage is never fun.
3486) Message boards : Number crunching : cheap GPU (Message 1312191)
Posted 7 Dec 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

The instructions in the box say to use two 6-pin or 8-pin cables. Peculiarity of XFX?


Looking at a picture of a XFX GT 630, there is no power connectors on it and it only requires 65 watts of power.

Possibly it might be general instructions for all of their cards.

http://www.geforce.com/hardware/desktop-gpus/geforce-gt-630/specifications

Hmm. Well, I guess I should take the thing out of the box and actually look at it. (What a novel concept...)

I will often use newegg to get a detailed look at a product before buying it. Even if I am not buying it from them. They generally have several highly detailed photos of products.
Such as the two versions of the XFX GT 630.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150615
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150614
3487) Message boards : Number crunching : Systems Administrator Wish List (Message 1312164)
Posted 7 Dec 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
If any of you read and understood the post from Jeff, the issue isn't that there aren't UPS's, the issue is there is more than one. Seti is not mission critical, it doesn't get and shouldn't get a battery closet and a diesel standby generator. There are functions at the SSL that are mission critical and they have that. No one can die if Seti goes down, that isn't true of other things at the SSL. Does that give you some perspective?

If you read Jeff, you will see that the issue is the extreme inter-connectivity of the machines in the closet. If one has a failure it can't just shut itself off. All of them have to and in a specific order. Perhaps even killing some processes on one box before it kill some on another and then back to the first. I suppose they could hire a programmer to script this and have the boxes pass power message between themselves. Also note Jeff said they had flaky UPS's that were sending spurious messages. All they can afford.

Now would you rather spend $10K on shutdown scripts or $10K on NTPCKR?

I wouldn't imagine a shutdown procedure would be to difficult. The APC UPS's I use are able to shutdown my servers in the order I specify when the power goes out. It was just a matter of installing the free software & configuring it. I would think most, if not all, UPS manufactures have such software for *nix environments.
3488) Message boards : Number crunching : Systems Administrator Wish List (Message 1312153)
Posted 7 Dec 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I believe the main issue was the database check/repair took much longer than expected.

The GPU Users Group actively comunicates with the project admins & they do have a wish list. See SETI Hardware Fundraisers (With Big News Inside) & http://www.gpuug.org/catalog

SETI@Home is not a business that requires the servers have 5 9's of reliability. The BOINC client is designed specifically for such issues.
3489) Message boards : Number crunching : Has BOINC Gone Crazy? (Message 1312151)
Posted 7 Dec 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I just have 1 GPU running right now and the GT 8500 isn't very powerful. So when I start to see the fecal matter impacting the rotating air circulator I act swiftly. As I only check on things once or twice a day if at all.

Dave keeps asking to open the pod bay doors, but I am having no part of it.


=====================================================================
May be time to consider retiring some of the older motherboards.

a high end amd a4 and fm2 motherboard would only set you back about $130,

that is a 4 core cpu with a hd7800 seires gpu.

dust bunny's need nice homes too.

even with ddr3 pc1333 this would turn out nice numbers.

though with fast memory and 2 open pci-express slots there is a lot of room for

growth.

the 7800 apu core does barrow system ram so getting 8 gig of fast ram makes

since when you can aford to.

I test software & hardware for a living. The vast majority of the machines I use are test clients & servers. So they will not be going anywhere anytime soon. I have a lot more hardware I could be using. Such as 10 PII 450's, but they generate more noise than I wish to deal with in the lab.

Typically we buy hardware to support the test requirements. Like being able to run the most current OS's. We have some boxes that do not meet the requirements of Windows 8 & a Linux test station died recently. So I might be specing out a few new machines. I am hoping to get some nettop hardware or something that will be fun to play with along with a few new i3's or i5's.
3490) Message boards : Number crunching : Limits (Message 1312042)
Posted 7 Dec 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

oh well, that just means a lot of boxes are going to keep knocking on the front door adding to the general level of congestion whilst they can't get work ...

The limits were put in place because there were to many results in one of the tables. So any time someone requested work or reported work there was a good chance there would be a timeout, or something along those lines. It was announced that there is a plan to makes workunits/tasks 4 times their current size, but that development will take a few months. So we might be sitting on the 100 task limit until then.

Other projects have a hard limit of tasks in progress and they are doing fine. So I don't really see an issue. Other than my 24 core box that can only get a cache of about 12 hours. I have a backup project or two so really my machines are good.
3491) Message boards : Number crunching : Has BOINC Gone Crazy? (Message 1312040)
Posted 7 Dec 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Well, HAL, I guess you are smarter than me (not very difficult, I must say).
By the way, how's Dave?

I just have 1 GPU running right now and the GT 8500 isn't very powerful. So when I start to see the fecal matter impacting the rotating air circulator I act swiftly. As I only check on things once or twice a day if at all.

Dave keeps asking to open the pod bay doors, but I am having no part of it.
3492) Message boards : Number crunching : wireless? (Message 1312039)
Posted 7 Dec 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
IIRC back in the classic days SETI@Home was actually getting their internet connection for wu's from a microwave internet connection across the San Francisco bay. However, I think it was pretty unreliable. Over 1 or 2 miles a system would probably be OK, but I don't know what they would be able to do for bandwidth these days.

We are only now starting to get into the realm of wireless GiB for LANs with 802.11ac.
3493) Message boards : Number crunching : cheap GPU (Message 1312001)
Posted 7 Dec 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

The instructions in the box say to use two 6-pin or 8-pin cables. Peculiarity of XFX?


Looking at a picture of a XFX GT 630, there is no power connectors on it and it only requires 65 watts of power.

Possibly it might be general instructions for all of their cards.


http://www.geforce.com/hardware/desktop-gpus/geforce-gt-630/specifications

With PCIe specifying up to 75w for a x16 slot. Cards requiring less than that really should not need a power connector.
3494) Message boards : Number crunching : Limits (Message 1311997)
Posted 7 Dec 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Are the limits still in place ???

Until otherwise noted.
3495) Message boards : Number crunching : Has BOINC Gone Crazy? (Message 1311996)
Posted 7 Dec 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
What's with the TEN task limit?

This is not a new machine...

Probably to do all those VLARs that timed out when they couldn't get sent to your GPU:

Error tasks for computer 6609248

Claggy


So because the lab was down for several days and because of the previous 100/100 limits for however long, I couldn't get these WUs on board, I pay a penalty?
Nice going, guys!

The daily quota kicks in when you have errors. So actually nothing to do with being down or the 100 task limits. It is just the well known VLAR resend issue. It seems those count against us.

I saw those starting to stack up on my system so I disabled "Use NVIDIA GPU" until all of the CPU tasks had made their way to the system.
3496) Message boards : Number crunching : screw up (Message 1311901)
Posted 6 Dec 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
On the transfers tab I just have Retry and Abort. No suspend.

Try the projects tab.

Yes I am aware of the buttons in the controls. I'm just trying to figure out what they did. If you "suspend" a complete task it doesn't do anything. It will still upload & report the task.
3497) Message boards : Number crunching : New Members (Message 1311895)
Posted 6 Dec 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The average of 285 new user a day is very small in comparison to the ~160,000 average active users. Really what you would want to do is disable new host creation. Now that it would matter much either.
3498) Message boards : Number crunching : Problems with upload (Message 1311887)
Posted 6 Dec 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Problem solved. I was using a proxy that apparently blocked traffic.....:(

That is unfortunate, but when using open proxies on the internet you are subject to what they will allow.
3499) Message boards : Number crunching : screw up (Message 1311843)
Posted 6 Dec 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
On the transfers tab I just have Retry and Abort. No suspend.
3500) Message boards : Number crunching : removal of BOINC? (Message 1311835)
Posted 6 Dec 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
1) Open Computer Management (right click computer & select manage or control panel administrative tools)
2) Expand System Tools > Local Users and Groups > Users
3) Delete User Account(a)
4) Expand System Tools > Local Users and Groups > Groups
3) Delete Group(s)

Also if you prefer the command line options
net user USERNAME /delete
net localgroup GROUPNAME /delete
3501) Message boards : Number crunching : wireless? (Message 1311798)
Posted 6 Dec 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I was wondering has anyone though about 2 wireless routers being pairing the with 2

parabolic dishes.

the dishes would give the routers almost 100db of passive noise free gain and make them point-able.

this is admittedly a temporary solution, but would the 100 to 600 mb additional

bandwidth 1 or 2 pairs could provide not be welcome till something more permanent is done?

The SSL is something like 2.5 miles from where the other end would need to be. The equipment to do that is available, but would be a waste of money for a "temporary solution".
3502) Message boards : Number crunching : Problems with upload (Message 1311784)
Posted 6 Dec 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
What is the problem with the uploads? The upload server responds with a long retry time of at least 2 hours.

BOINC will set a back off time if it can not send/receive data with a project. It doesn't really have anything to do with the server. Other than it being so busy that you can't get your data to it.
3503) Message boards : Number crunching : Just another GPU value chart (Message 1311782)
Posted 6 Dec 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
When using the wikipedia pages to compare cards I just use the flops/watt figure to find the most efficient cards in the series. I will then work out their cost & cost to own to find which one I think is the best value in the performance range I want.

For the electric cost I use TDP * 8.76 * cost per kw/h. The 8.76 is the number of kilowatt hours per year. You could also take 8.76 * cost per KWh to come up with a value like Alex was using. Which seems to be about $0.137 per KWh to get the $1.20 per watt per year.
I get my cost per kw/h by dividing the bill amount & KWh. So if I my bill is for $53.87 & 306kwh I paid an average of $0.176 per KWh. I do this because my electric is billed in generation & transmission separately. While it might say I'm paying $0.06 per KWh for generation that isn't really my cost to power things.
3504) Message boards : Number crunching : Share your Cruncher (Message 1311142)
Posted 28 Nov 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Cooling when consuming a large amount of power can be an issue. Here are a few of my machines. The total power consumption for the rack is 9.2 KW.


Which as you can see, from my temp monitoring, does generate a fair amount of heat.

So you don't have to do the C to F conversion.
25ºC = 77ºF & 41ºC = 105.8

Sometimes I put my coffee on the back side to keep it warm.
3505) Message boards : Number crunching : Old tasks still in system. (Message 1311080)
Posted 28 Nov 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
There was a recent back-end change - changeset [5011e788] - which may be designed to address this. It still shows as 'yesterday', US time, so it's a bit too soon to expect any noticeable effects yet.

Hopefully it will get things cleared out in time. I have one from 2010 I would like to see go away.
3506) Message boards : Number crunching : WASTING MY TIME? (Message 1311007)
Posted 28 Nov 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
...
Yes, I DO know about the lack of funding and manpower, and I have patience to wait, but... How many of beginners of Seti@Home does have?...

"This doesn't work, I'll just uninstall it"

How many of those kind of "volunteers" Seti@Home have/had?

Stats sites show that there are about 1343k SaH user accounts, and about 153k still active. Just think what we might be doing now if many of those lapsed users had been interested enough to make even one 10 dollar donation rather than simply giving up!

I would guess there's been more users lost because their computer died and they forgot to add SaH on the replacement, though. In Classic days, only about a third of accounts never completed a WU.
                                                                    Joe

From the information on the donations page it looks like the donations average close to $1 per active user. If the donations averaged $10, or even $5, per user that would be a significant amount of money.
3507) Message boards : Number crunching : Firefox 64-Bit Development for Windows Killed Off (Message 1310828)
Posted 27 Nov 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
An easy way to tell if one has a 64bit XP, Vista or Win7 OS ...

The easiest is to hit Win+Pause :)


Thanks, I didn't know about that key combo, does that work in XP too?

Works in 98, 2000, XP, Vista, 7
On some laptop keyboards you may need to use Win+Fn+Pause


I just tried it several times on XP Pro and all that happened is the hourglass appeared next to the mouse cursor for a fraction of a second. Could it be because I'm on a non-admin account?

Works on my systems when using a user that only belongs to the Users group.
3508) Message boards : Number crunching : The 84 cents a month fundraiser. (Message 1310821)
Posted 27 Nov 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have not had a star most years and do not care if it shows or not that i donate.
I do intend over the next few months to get my donation level to $1 a month.
But i think it is time to start thinking outside of the box I know some band members and a couple of bars that like doing fund raises and a keg does not really cost that much, or a dance, or garage sale or, maybe a Rafael and if bragging right's for the large donors gets more cheese I am for it.The point is group activities can be fun and can generate more cheese than an individual can afford to donate.Have fun and be creative.

Maybe implement some kind of donation rating system for the groups. So groups could have fundraisers to compete against each other.
3509) Message boards : Number crunching : Firefox 64-Bit Development for Windows Killed Off (Message 1310808)
Posted 27 Nov 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
An easy way to tell if one has a 64bit XP, Vista or Win7 OS ...

The easiest is to hit Win+Pause :)


Thanks, I didn't know about that key combo, does that work in XP too?

It does. Someone made a nice document for Windows 8 keyboard shortcuts in PDF & XPS format. Most of the keyboard shortcuts are the same ones that have always been around, but there are some newer ones for Windows 8 & some I forget about when using Windows 7.
3510) Message boards : Number crunching : The 84 cents a month fundraiser. (Message 1310802)
Posted 27 Nov 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I would strongly oppose a "star rating system".

I am no longer working full time and have to be a bit more careful with money, because I can only afford a smaller amount. It would not worry me but others who are on lower income or retired should not be "discriminated against" with a "lower value" star.

I would probably donate anonymously or stop altogether.

Bernie, as Ang has posted, the different coloured stars are in the works. I would like to see the green one as a default, as I don't have a lot of extra money either.
But I do volunteer work and I get paid zip. Still a nonvalue contribution to Seti.
That said, some of the big donors should have bragging rights, if they choose too. Or just opt out, as some do.

That was kind of what I was thinking. Let those that wish to brag do so & then they can compete with each other or such to get they brightest & shiniest star.

Personally I keep away from those stars all together.
3511) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (79) Server Problems? (Message 1310597)
Posted 26 Nov 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
What I think is that besides the underlying issue, the current limits are not helping as they should.
My hosts, even the one that has a core 2 duo and an old gt9500, is doing a request every five minutes, and Im sure that the same happens in hughe number of active host so, they changed a few long queries by a lot of short ones.

And, while the need of a certain limit is out discussion, unless until they can solve the underlying issue, may be a slightly higher limit can give a beter trade of between the duration of the queries and the number of them...

I never thought the current limit scheme made sense. To have any real effect on network traffic, wouldn't it have to limit tasks over a specific time period rather than just "at a time"?

I hate to say that, despite what the higher-crediting Einstein units are doing for my overall Boinc stats (and even with 99 Einstein units "aborted by user," which I certainly didn't do), but to me it's the only thing that will achieve the desired outcome.

They are not trying to effect the network traffic. The limits were put in place to reduce the size of the result and host tables. As they had grown to large to complete in a timely fashion.
Hopefully they will come up with a long term solution. Hopefully by breaking up the tables into sizes that can be quickly searched.
3512) Message boards : Number crunching : The 84 cents a month fundraiser. (Message 1310549)
Posted 26 Nov 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
For just pennies a day you can feed a SETI@Home staff member.

Perhaps they should implement a star ratting system. Sort of like the eBay one I imagine. With different colored stars to show how much has been donated. This might entice people to donate more to get their preferred color of star. Perhaps an option that doesn't indicated an amount for those that like to show they have donated, but don't wish to indicate how much.

My preferred star color is transparent/anonymous.
3513) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (79) Server Problems? (Message 1310509)
Posted 26 Nov 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Quick script to provide the percentage of failures on your machine.


Thanks


Now we just need a small tweak to divide those into 'before tonight' and 'after tonight', so we know what effect Eric's changes have had.

At the moment this will work correctly if the stdoutdae.txt only contains the current months information. Otherwise matching day information for other months & years will be included. Dealing with dates in a .bat file can be a pain. I might have to go with .vbs to make things easier.
I did update it to separate the dates & allow users to enter the number of days they wish to view.


If anyone wishes to use it you can find it here:
http://www.hal6000.com/seti/_com_check_full.txt
Right click & save, depending on your browser, rename to .bat. Then place in the folder where your stdoutdae.txt is located, or modify the script to point to the location of the file.

Change the number on the line "set check_days=" for the number of days you wish to view.

If you wish you can remove the line "del sched_*-%computername%_*.txt" to save the daily information. You can then use this script, http://www.hal6000.com/seti/_com_check_day_calc.txt, to run each day separately by entering the date from the command line in YYYY-MM-DD format.
So entering, _com_check_day_calc.bat 2012-11-26, with the sched_*-PCNAME_2012-11-26.txt files present would give you that days information.
3514) Message boards : Number crunching : Goodsearch for Seti.... (Message 1310483)
Posted 26 Nov 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
That is indeed good news. It would also be great if there was a section under the donations page where it shows the amount received from goodsearch, just as a confirmation.

I'm sure if you read all of the fine print on the goodsearch site they may tel you how it functions.
One way I have seen sites like this work is that they pay out once a month. Provided the minimum payout, such as $100.00, is reached. If the minimum payout is not reached funds carry over each month until the amount is reached.
3515) Message boards : Number crunching : This is a first for me!! (Message 1310480)
Posted 26 Nov 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Did I really get the whole queue??

11/25/2012 1:14:37 PM | SETI@home | update requested by user
11/25/2012 1:14:38 PM | SETI@home | Sending scheduler request: Requested by user.
11/25/2012 1:14:38 PM | SETI@home | Reporting 60 completed tasks, requesting new tasks for NVIDIA GPU
11/25/2012 1:15:31 PM | SETI@home | Scheduler request completed: got 100 new tasks
11/25/2012 1:15:33 PM | SETI@home | Started download of 30au12ad.20374.16529.140733193388040.10.131

Is the queue size 100 for WU distribution?


Ed Frybarger

The limits of 100 CPU & 100 GPU tasks restrict how many tasks you may be sent. So even if the feeder is allowed to send you 10,000 you will only get 100 at this time.
3516) Message boards : Number crunching : 1018KBps!!! Downloads! MO FOing! FO Sho (Message 1310477)
Posted 26 Nov 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
One hit of Retry and............................Smoooooooooooooooooooooking!

Whole Page of Downloads.

DEMONSPEED

DEMON...Speed Of Light

Hmmmmmmmm...
That was just about the time the servers crashed.
You naughty Demon, you.

We can send them the bill for repairs then :D
3517) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (79) Server Problems? (Message 1308515)
Posted 21 Nov 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Message from Eric:

We've got some things to try. Let us know if it starts working.


I find these two helpful:

findstr /C:"[SETI@home] Scheduler request failed: " stdoutdae.txt >sched_failures-%computername%.txt

findstr /C:"[SETI@home] Scheduler request completed: " stdoutdae.txt >sched_successes-%computername%.txt


They work in the "command prompt" environment in Windows.

Save them (separately or together) in one or two files in BOINC's Data directory: give the files names with the extension ".cmd"

Then, double-clicking the file(s) will quickly give you an overview of how well the scheduler requests have been going.

Don't swamp Eric with data, but if a few of us (those who feel confident working with that minimalist instruction - don't bother if you're not comfortable doing that) keep an eye on his experiments and provide feedback, it may help. Remember your logs will be timestamped in your local timezone - please supply the UTC offset so he can match them up with the server changes.

I had not thought to check the logs that way. Quite a good idea. I took it a bit further and did a 3rd to just check for "[SETI@home] Scheduler request failed: Timeout was reached" to separate other failures. Then I have the bat count the lines and give me the % failure for total and timeout. So far checking several machines that have data going back to the 5th. The failure rate is between 14% & 19% for all failures.

Quick script to provide the percentage of failures on your machine.
@ECHO OFF
cls
pushd %~dp0
findstr /C:"[SETI@home] Scheduler request failed: " stdoutdae.txt >sched_failures-%computername%.txt
findstr /C:"[SETI@home] Scheduler request failed: Timeout was reached" stdoutdae.txt >sched_failures_timeout-%computername%.txt
findstr /C:"[SETI@home] Scheduler request completed: " stdoutdae.txt >sched_successes-%computername%.txt
for /f %%a in ('Find /V /C "" ^< sched_failures-%computername%.txt') do set fails=%%a
for /f %%a in ('Find /V /C "" ^< sched_failures_timeout-%computername%.txt') do set time_fails=%%a
for /f %%a in ('Find /V /C "" ^< sched_successes-%computername%.txt') do set success=%%a
set /a schdreqcnt=%fails%+%success%
@ECHO Scheduler Requests: %schdreqcnt%
set /a schdsuccesspct=%success%*100/%schdreqcnt%*100/100
@ECHO Scheduler Success: %schdsuccesspct% %%
set /a schdfailspct=%fails%*100/%schdreqcnt%*100/100
@ECHO Scheduler Failure: %schdfailspct% %%
set /a schdtofailspct=%time_fails%*100/%schdreqcnt%*100/100
@ECHO Scheduler Timeout: %schdtofailspct% %% of total
set /a schdtmfailspct=%time_fails%*100/%fails%*100/100
@ECHO Scheduler Timeout: %schdtmfailspct% %% of failures
pause
3518) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (79) Server Problems? (Message 1308506)
Posted 21 Nov 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Message from Eric:

We've got some things to try. Let us know if it starts working.


I find these two helpful:

findstr /C:"[SETI@home] Scheduler request failed: " stdoutdae.txt >sched_failures-%computername%.txt

findstr /C:"[SETI@home] Scheduler request completed: " stdoutdae.txt >sched_successes-%computername%.txt


They work in the "command prompt" environment in Windows.

Save them (separately or together) in one or two files in BOINC's Data directory: give the files names with the extension ".cmd"

Then, double-clicking the file(s) will quickly give you an overview of how well the scheduler requests have been going.

Don't swamp Eric with data, but if a few of us (those who feel confident working with that minimalist instruction - don't bother if you're not comfortable doing that) keep an eye on his experiments and provide feedback, it may help. Remember your logs will be timestamped in your local timezone - please supply the UTC offset so he can match them up with the server changes.

I had not thought to check the logs that way. Quite a good idea. I took it a bit further and did a 3rd to just check for "[SETI@home] Scheduler request failed: Timeout was reached" to separate other failures. Then I have the bat count the lines and give me the % failure for total and timeout. So far checking several machines that have data going back to the 5th. The failure rate is between 14% & 19% for all failures.
3519) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows 8 Release Preview now available (Message 1308393)
Posted 21 Nov 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Microsoft does not require UEFI for Windows 8. Older systems using BIOS work fine. They did make a requirement that computers that are certified for Windows 8 be shipped with the UEFI Secure Boot option enabled. If a manufacture choose not to provide the option to disable that feature it is up to them. IIRC Mirosoft did try to mandate that Windows RT devices not be allowed to disable Secure Boot.

All of the systems I currently have with UEFI have an option to use UEFI or legacy BIOS mode.

EDIT: I think UEFI Secure Boot will become one of those feature like the Intel processor serial number.

Also: The UEFI governing body. http://www.uefi.org/
The board of directors is made up of mostly system manufactures but includes Microsoft & Apple. I am sure Red Hat & other groups are members.
3520) Message boards : Number crunching : odd triple coincidence (Message 1308358)
Posted 21 Nov 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I don't see how those 3 tasks are odd. I have observed getting the _2 or _3 tasks in batches on several occasions where it was the same set of hosts for _0, _1, _2, & _3. I think it is neat, just not odd.

One thing I would like to setup to monitor is to see if I ever have two of my own machines get both tasks form the same workunit. Apparently the system is setup for it to be allowed, but unless you are in the 300K+ RAC club it is extremely rare.

I have been lucky with my slower GPU by not baving very many VLAR timeout resends.
3521) Message boards : Number crunching : "Sleepy" NV GPU - how to "wake up" ? (Message 1308350)
Posted 21 Nov 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Have you tried running RivaTuner as a service as well? I don't recall the full syntax at the moment, but using the command line "sc create" I think is where you would want to start.
3522) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows 8 Release Preview now available (Message 1308348)
Posted 21 Nov 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Yeah, what a "song" repairing XP boot after Win7 installation that refuses to understand boot.ini and offers some binary format that XP not aware of ...
I'm quite sure such incompatibilities have no real technical reason. They just added for M$ enrichment via making old setups less and less workable and "stimulating" users to buy new OSes...
Few days ago I once again was amazed of boot speed of fresh WinXP installed on almost 10 years old P4-based (with slow HDD, slow memory and so on) PC. Never can achieve such boot speed on Q9450 with RAID SATA HDD for Vista....
Corporations are evil....

I dislike the fact that I must wait for several separate drive controllers to do detection before the OS starts to load my newer machines.
My old Pentium M notebook without all of that stuff to slow booting down will will get to the desktop faster with 7 than XP. However 7 is still loading the rest of the system up in the background.
3523) Message boards : Number crunching : Problem getting new tasks (Message 1308253)
Posted 21 Nov 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I am running catalyst 12.11 and had to download the sreaming sdk from amd to get the opencl based clients to work. amd is distenceing itself from opencl now that nvidia supports it I guess that we need to let amd know we use this so they will put it back and maybe we can get them to help in the writing of client as well if enough pressure can be brought to bare.

AMD has laid off 15% of their workforce, i doubt you'd be able to convince them to start supporting a 10 year old OS again, they are still supporting OpenCL on Win Vista, 7 and 8,

Claggy

Also in April 2013(if I'm remembering correctly) Microsoft stops all support for XP even for critical bugs. No more patches of any type for Win XP. So AMD stopping XP active support is not so strange.

Extended support ends April 2014. They have been cutting support for it for some time now. Recently they removed the ability to obtain a WHQL logo for drivers for XP, also Vista. if anyone cared.

Also AMD isn't moving away from OpenCL. They simply made the choice to stop developing it for XP.
OpenCL support is supported in newer OS's. IIRC 12.2 & 12.3 can be used but you have to install 12.1 first.
3524) Message boards : Number crunching : Problem getting new tasks (Message 1308156)
Posted 20 Nov 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Keep in mind, Ian, that at present no new work is being split. Only work going out are reissues and possibly some ghosted tasks. We don't know how long it will be before the database is cleared out enough that they shall consider starting to split new work.

Probably 6 days at the earliest. Depending on their holiday schedule.

Maybe sooner. Bandwidth seems to be really high right after coming back.
3525) Message boards : Number crunching : Problem getting new tasks (Message 1308149)
Posted 20 Nov 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Keep in mind, Ian, that at present no new work is being split. Only work going out are reissues and possibly some ghosted tasks. We don't know how long it will be before the database is cleared out enough that they shall consider starting to split new work.

Probably 6 days at the earliest. Depending on their holiday schedule.
3526) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows 8 Release Preview now available (Message 1308109)
Posted 20 Nov 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Oh boy, something is seriously wrong at Microsoft....

...that's another +1 :(

On to more sirius matters :)

I've had 2 Win 8 laptops in today with the customers hating it & wanting to revert back to Win 7. They tried themselves but hit problems.

I tried & had the same issue, Win 7 would not install with no idea as to why not! One hit 74% of installation & then froze (did this several times), the 2nd wouldn't go past 13%.

Backed up their data files, wiped drive, reinstalled Win 7, no problem. Just wondering if Win 8 is designed for future upgrades & preventing downgrading like previous versions.

To replace a newer version of Windows with an older one it is almost always required to blow away the old one. If nothing else it is quicker and less of a headache.
If want to install multiple versions of windows you often need to install them in order of oldest to newest to make sure they are all happy.
3527) Message boards : Number crunching : Switched to Einstine (Message 1307844)
Posted 19 Nov 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
172 CPU's, mostly i7's and i5's
89 GPU's most probably high end NVIDIA
With a combined RAC of over 2 million
That's just 20 machines. Makes you think!!


Makes Me think : I have alot of work to do if I plan on surpassing them. mwuahahaha!

If you look at the top 20 participants the combined RAC is a lot higher. Totaling about 7,353,253. However that is only 4.7% of the total SETI@Home RAC.

BOINCstats shows 268,760 active users for BOINC combined & 151,581 active users for SETI@Home. Einstein by comparison only has 36,829 active users.

I can imagine that if any of the other projects has a sudden influx of 100,000 users their systems would show similar strain.
3528) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (79) Server Problems? (Message 1307761)
Posted 19 Nov 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
[...]I see the plan is to make bigger work units, which should help a lot by making the database only 25% the size, but then that puts more pressure on the internet connection???[...]


If they do it like they doubled MB a while back, the WUs will stay the same size, they just increase the FFT resolution and make you do four times more work on the same data file. That change in the resolution is just something that gets changed in the XML-type header for the WU itself, but as always, it requires testing to see if it is going to work like it is expected. There's always that possibility that by increasing the precision, you may end up with many more false positives than you would expect.

It's kind of like looking at some of the satellite photos for things like the surface of another planet. It used to be something like 10-meter resolution, which meant that every pixel represented 100 square meters, and the particular color of that pixel was determined by what color was the most abundant in that 100 meter square.

As technology increased, I believe we've gotten it down to less than 5 square meters per pixel, so you end up with a huge increase in detail, and now instead of "this 100 meter square is roughly brown and flat" you have "okay, so there's probably a tree there, and oh look, a huge boulder, and it turns out this tree is on the edge of a cliff" because you now have 20 pixels to describe what you only saw in one before.

But increased detail can also be a burden, because it might be possible to end up with more signals in one WU, so -9 overflows may become much more likely, unless the limit gets increased for that, as well.


As I recall it was a few years ago when they last cranked up the dial on the resolution & I think it was stated that it was at the max to get any sort of useful data.
3529) Message boards : Number crunching : Building a BOINC farm for a beginner. (Message 1307718)
Posted 19 Nov 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

yeah, I was more thinking about getting something like that for learning about computers, but I'm going to see if I can get some old junkers for free (or at least really cheap) before I go throwing money at anything.

The free section on craigslist can have some surprising things from time to time. Depending on your area.
3530) Message boards : Number crunching : it's the AP Splitter processes killing the Scheduler (Message 1306895)
Posted 16 Nov 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
OK, I think the statute of limitations has run out on this one - let's let the cat out of the bag. Eric told me that David had seen the problems starting to build up, late in the evening of Saturday 3 November. In response, he deliberately turned off 'resend lost results', thinking this would reduce the load on Synergy and allow it to function normally again. Turned out slightly differently....

I think that just shows that programmers and sysops are different animals: you shouldn't expect either to be able to do the other's job.

You didn't explicitly say. Did someone turn it back on? I think we all assumed so, but...

I did receive a resend this morning. So as of 6:55 AM US Eastern Standard Time it was on.
3531) Message boards : Number crunching : What about Intel's new Phi? (Message 1306894)
Posted 16 Nov 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The card itself is $2700 and peaks at 225 watts. It's only 2-2.5x faster than the top end Xeon CPU in highly parallelized tasks.


I believe it is over 1TeraFlop double precision. That's more than 2.5X a Xeon.


The 2.5x is from Intel's own page on the Phi, comparing two E5-2687 (3.1GHz, 8 cores) to one Phi card (1GHz, 60 cores). (footnote 5).

They did see some Monte Carlo simulations run at 10.75x faster comparing two E5-2670 (2.6GHz, 8 cores) to a Phi SE10P (1.1GHz, 61 cores). (footnote 9)

The 1 TFlop DP is theoretical peak performance.


Hello,

You get almost One teraflop with one GTX 500 series (5xx) card at a fraction of the price. What is the business case here?

The number you are looking at on those cards is probably the SP(single precision) rating. Intel is stating TF for DP(double precision). Which generally is less than 1/4 of the SP rating. For instance a Radeon HD 6990 is rated 5099 GF running SP & 1276.88 GF running DP.

SETI@Home application currently only use SP. So the SP performance is what you would want to compare. Currently that isn't really helpful across manufacturers yet.
3532) Message boards : Number crunching : WASTING MY TIME? (Message 1306888)
Posted 16 Nov 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Was everyone told the point is to find ET. Yes.


Using exactly your words...

If the focus is FIND ET, then why try to keep AP-Splitting working and making all this wierd situation worst if is crystal clear the actual configuration can´t handle both project running all full capacity?

Astropulse development was funded in part by an NSF grant. Trying for future NSF grants without continuing AP processing would be silly. Stopping AP temporarily is possible, but the general idea of analyzing all fresh data with both SaH and AP algorithms is necessarily the goal.

In terms of future funding, it might actually be better to skip the SaH processing and do only AP on some of the data.
                                                                    Joe

As I recall there was some talk about changing the software to download AP tasks & then process them for both AP & MB data. As the raw data is the same, but just broken up differently. It might have just been an idea someone mentioned here instead of something form the guys in the lab. I don't recall.
3533) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (78) Server Problems? (Message 1306851)
Posted 16 Nov 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
WTF is going on

As far as I am concerned why the heck is SETI making its most dedicated people having to skirt around their issue with proxy servers just to get 200 tasks then get whacked with limits.
If the AP units are causing the big blockage then stop the AP all together until this gets sorted out.

I have been getting work but my GOD the trouble to get them is just incredible.

If it is like this again after next Tuesday outage then I just might be taking a different project to heart.

I have seen several people just uninstall BOINC over this issue. PLEASE FIX IT

Michael Miles

They are not forcing anyone to do anything.
3534) Message boards : Number crunching : What about Intel's new Phi? (Message 1306833)
Posted 16 Nov 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
If it will be programmable via OpenCL we can make use of it even w/o BOINC support as it was done already with early CUDA and early ATi Brook+/OpenCL support.
SETI@home (at least in it's optimized part) usually goes ahead of BOINC "official" support.
What we really need is hardware availability for test and free development tools for it.

I think standard x86 CPU supports OpenCL. So I would guess x86 based coprocessor cards would also.
3535) Message boards : Number crunching : WASTING MY TIME? (Message 1306647)
Posted 16 Nov 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Seti@Home regularly gets these threads questioning the validity of the project. This is usually after an extended period of problems with uploads/downloads. This is nothing new, and will no doubt continue in the future.

I and my team have been around in a few days time, for 12 years, and clocked up over 20 million credits for Seti and 28,051 hours for Seti Classic. I believe in this project and what it is trying to do. I am happy that any money that I donate to this project, $675 so far if you want to know, is being properly spent.

I also know that the lads at the lab have the ability to login remotely and re-boot servers during evenings and weekends. That is in their personal time off when they are not being paid, yet they still monitor the kit and act when they can. They don't have to do that, but they choose to. I don't have to support Seti@home but I choose to.

The Seti@home team also carries out other research e.g. Erics Hydrogen survey. This is their budget for the last year. 2011 budget It costs a lot to run this project, and as Eric says,

Anyone know any multi-million dollar superPAC contributors?

Of course we would all like more communication from the project but we have to be realistic. Matt did it mainly because the others didn't have time to. And to be fair the others probably wouldn't be as good at it as he was.

OK, bottom line is I'm not going anywhere, I'm in this for the long term. It honestly doesn't bother me that we don't get regular updates every 5 minutes on each and every blip. Look at some of the other Boinc projects where the Admins don't say anything for months on end! It would just be so nice to see some more positive thoughts around here. If Seti is not for you, then bon voyage, we wish you well.


I, like many people, prefer them to spend their time working on things instead of writing messages to try and make me feel better.

Personally I hate when I am working on something out & I get interrupted. Which normally ends up in a "Well there goes the past 5 hours I spent. Time to start over." line or something like it. It could also be compared to getting woken up in the middle of the night & not being able to get back to sleep.
3536) Message boards : Number crunching : WASTING MY TIME? (Message 1306586)
Posted 15 Nov 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:


is it really only about money ?




The guys who work in the lab are professionals who are being paid to do a job. They may love their jobs, but they have to pay their bills just like anyone else.

If there are competing needs for their time (programming the newest application for us and...server maintenance and network optimization, as a completely fictitious example) and there is budget for one thing and no budget for the other, it necessarily has to become about money. The guys have to be able to eat.

As I recall they work on several different things in the lab. SETI@Home is only a fraction of what they do.
3537) Message boards : Number crunching : PrimeGrid, forgot password function not working? (Message 1306460)
Posted 15 Nov 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Maybe if you still have the account_primegrid.xml file on your systems you could use the data in <authenticator></authenticator> to log in.
3538) Message boards : Number crunching : PrimeGrid, forgot password function not working? (Message 1306434)
Posted 15 Nov 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Works for me. I received the email from them less than two minutes after entering my address.
3539) Message boards : Number crunching : Interesting Credit (Message 1306432)
Posted 15 Nov 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hi guys I am new at this what can you do with the Credit?

Look at it, pet it, call it nice names.

Credit is just a way to measure how much work your machines have done. Other than comparing it between groups, people, or computer it has no meaning or value what so ever.
3540) Message boards : Number crunching : Anyone work for Dell? (Message 1306304)
Posted 15 Nov 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I normally just go to http://support.dell.com, enter my service tag, get the pat number, then search for a place to buy the part at a reasonable price.

The chassis/CPU fans in our 8-9 year old tower servers do like to drop dead like flies.

We have bought several things form these guys, http://myworld.ebay.com/savemyserver, for out PE2650 & PE 2850's too.
3541) Message boards : Number crunching : Certificates - Printing Formats and Specifications (Message 1305399)
Posted 12 Nov 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
To which I would add:

During my consultancy days, I would very often come across computers where most (UK, in my case) Windows localisations had been applied, but printer drivers - especially Windows internal drivers - still defaulted to US 'letter' paper.

Quite why Microsoft buried the necessary adjustment on

Printer - Properties - Advanced - Printing Defaults - Advanced - Paper Size

I'll never know, but that's where you find it on Windows 2000 and Windows XP (particularly if you need to install the driver using network/domain administrator privileges, but have all the other users inherit the setting).

Printing Preferences/Defaults is also accessible from the printer or file menu where you Properties is being selected. In new OS's it is labeled "Set Printing Defaults".
3542) Message boards : Number crunching : Certificates - Printing Formats and Specifications (Message 1305377)
Posted 12 Nov 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I am guessing you are referring to the Certificate of Computation which is generated here http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/cert_print.php.
It is not generated as any specific paper size it is just HTML.

While I am able to print my cert out on any size I like with the default document (business card size looks a big amusing). I do work for a printer manufacture where I test drivers, firmware, & such. So I might have an advantage in what to do to make a document print the way I want.

I did these steps with IE:
-Open print setup from the browser.
-Set the page size, orientation, checked shrink-to-fit, & selected OK to save the settings.
-Selected Print from the browser & selected the printer driver I wanted.
-Printed the document.

I did find the print was slightly off center. So I opened Print preview and then adjusted the left margin until it was lined up perfectly.

As the document is simple HTML you can save the page when you are viewing your certificate. Then modify it in anyway you would like if the software and/or driver you are using doesn't generate very good output.
3543) Message boards : Number crunching : Problems with Technical News Forum! (Message 1303632)
Posted 8 Nov 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I am guessing they using something along the lines of 'last read message #+display value'. With the last message read there is no next message to display. So blank page. With Newest first that wouldn't apply. So you see the correct message.

A work around seems to be selecting "highest rated posts first". With the rating system disabled posts are sorted by oldest first & "Jump to first new post in thread automatically" is still followed.
3544) Message boards : Number crunching : Problems with Technical News Forum! (Message 1303618)
Posted 8 Nov 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Also I found an old locked thread with 75 messages that could be used for testing this odd occurrence.
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=66377

EDIT: Using the values of 1, 5, 25, or 75 present this issue.

Nice one. And 15.

Edit - that sounds like enough for a bug report?

Actually with the value of 1 this will occur on any thread where you have read all of the messages.

And presumably, any thread where the post count exactly matches the user's current 'posts per page' setting.

Should we propose a new forum rule: "every thread must have a prime number of posts at all times"? ;)

I only get a blank page if I have "read" all of the messages already. So maybe it is by design. "You have read everything here. Nothing new to see." It does still occur with "Jump to first new post in thread automatically" disabled.
3545) Message boards : Number crunching : Problems with Technical News Forum! (Message 1303610)
Posted 8 Nov 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Also I found an old locked thread with 75 messages that could be used for testing this odd occurrence.
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=66377

EDIT: Using the values of 1, 5, 25, or 75 present this issue.

Nice one. And 15.

Edit - that sounds like enough for a bug report?

Actually with the value of 1 this will occur on any thread where you have read all of the messages.
I was also able to match threads with 44 & 357 posts to get a blank page.
3546) Message boards : Number crunching : Problems with Technical News Forum! (Message 1303601)
Posted 8 Nov 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Also I found an old locked thread with 75 messages that could be used for testing this odd occurrence.
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=66377

EDIT: Using the values of 1, 5, 25, or 75 present this issue.
3547) Message boards : Number crunching : Problems with Technical News Forum! (Message 1303595)
Posted 8 Nov 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Interesting 75 is some kind of magic number. Once that 76th post was hidden. I also limited my view to 25. I was presented with a a blank page and page number 1 2 3. none of which were selected.
3548) Message boards : Number crunching : Problems with Technical News Forum! (Message 1303580)
Posted 8 Nov 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Are You using Google Chrome?

I can't see messages when using Chrome, but in IE and Firefox I can see them. Strange...


Whoa, problem is not in browser... Well maybe.

I do have preference "Sort oldest first". No messages. When I change it to "Newest first" or "Highest rated posts first" all messages are visible.

This happens in all three browsers.

Even more strange....

I always use oldest first. I had no issues before or after your test message when using using IE, FF, or Chrome.

The page could have been cached at a point between you and the server. Changing the sort order might have requested new information and updated what you see. If you suspect a cached page you can often add &? to the end of an address to see if that fixes the issue.
3549) Message boards : Number crunching : Why all *_B3_P1_* AP WUs finish with 'Blanking too much RFI'? (Message 1303546)
Posted 8 Nov 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
All AP WUs which have *_B3_P1_* in the WU name finish after a few seconds with:

In ap_remove_radar.cpp: get_indices_to_randomize: num_ffts_forecast < 100.  Blanking too much RFI?
  percent blanked: 100.00

Why?

Thanks.

It has often been noted that there are periodic (possibly seasonal) faults in the B3_P1 channel feeding the telescope receiver output to the data recorder at Arecibo. Joe Segur has written about this in the past. The problem is a 'stuck bit', which could possibly look like radar interference when the Astropulse application encounters it.

There is one way to test the data files: try compressing one of them with a standard archiving tool like WinZip or 7-zip. If you succeed in achieving any significant compression, then the WU has the 'stuck bit' fault, and is useless (normal WUs remain at ~97% of their original size after 'compression'). But by that time, you've downloaded the datafile anyway, and running the task to the 'too much RFI' stage takes very little time, so you may as well let them run through in the normal course of events.

The ones I have are able to be compressed over 50%. So I guess that qualifies as significant.
http://www.hal6000.com/seti/images/ap_arc_test.png

3550) Message boards : Number crunching : Which card is best? (Message 1303522)
Posted 8 Nov 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Just what purpose does the GFLOPS number serve? If would seem to me the only thing Seti does with it is to estimate the time needed to complete a task, which is usually off by a factor of 10 anyway.

BTW, I've installed my new GTX 650 Ti board and it's smokin...


BOINC needs some kind of reference to estimate how much work to request from a project. Until they decide to start benchmarking the GPU's using the vendor supplied GFLOPS is "a reference". As BOINC completes more work on a project it will have more accurate estimates. However it starts out highly overestimating the time required. So that the host does not request to much work at once.
3551) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (78) Server Problems? (Message 1303519)
Posted 8 Nov 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Got a computational error on one of my CUDA tasks.

This because I was out shopping for the weekend.

Maybe it should be wise to not let CUDA tasks run if you are away from your computer?

Perhaps not so easy. You may happen to get new tasks. Unless you have suspended some tasks, those CUDA tasks which are either "Ready to Start" or "Waiting to Run" will start running automatically after 3 minutes of keyboard or mouse inactivity with the default settings in place.

I guess in this project things are never going to become perfect in its workings.

If you desire to suspend GPU computing while you are away from your computer you can tell BOINC to do that. There are options form the manager for "snooze" and "snooze GPU". However they are only for 1 hour IIRC. If you wanted to suspend GPU processing while you are out for a few hours there is a command line option.
If you wanted to suspend GPU processing for 4 hours you could use.
boinccmd --set_gpu_mode never 14400
Then after 4 hours BOINC would resume the previous state you had the GPU processing set. Normally it would be "auto" or "based on preferences".

I just leave the GPU to do what it will. Sometimes there will be an error which I have no control over & the GPU trashes several hundred tasks. I just restart the machine when I find there is an issue & make sure everything is OK afterwards.
3552) Message boards : Number crunching : Seti computational farm (Message 1303505)
Posted 8 Nov 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I don't think the problem would be HOW to build them, but how to tell Boinc Manager to activate-see those computers, or any other computer.

You may build as many you want but how BM will understand them?

Is there any setting to tell BM that you are working on a farm computer, and use all of them at the same time?

IIRC the issue with with BOINC is that is uses shared memory to communicate to the science apps. Shared memory is not accessible across nodes in a cluster unless you are buying expensive purpose build hardware.

However there are some strides being made into running virtual machines on top of a cluster. Forming several off the shelf systems into one large system for HPC usage. There is at least one company selling this kind of setup. http://www.scalemp.com/architecture
3553) Message boards : Number crunching : Seti computational farm (Message 1303286)
Posted 7 Nov 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Your Instant Price Update
$62278

Estimated Ship Date
12/5/2012

haha :)

For $22479 you could have that configured with 9 GTX680's. Which are about 3 times as fast at the Quadro 6000 selected for the $60K price tag. Most expensive does always equal fastest.

If blowing lotto money I would go for a 8 CPU socket system to play around.

Otherwise I like the idea of many smaller machines. Like having a 72U rack crammed full of mini-ITX machines.
3554) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (78) Server Problems? (Message 1302835)
Posted 6 Nov 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Another newbie question.
Is there a way to easily see how many ghost tasks I have?


Easiest way is BOINC Tasks. It will give you task counts and the sum of estimated completion times for each device on the Projects tab, and a split by application /status on the Tasks tab. Compare the cpu + gpu counts to the website counts to determine how many ghosts you have. This is how I can tell at a glance that I'm below the CPU limit. It enables you to monitor and control all of your computers from one host using the IP addresses. Test drive it on one of your hosts - think you'll like the improved user interface.

There are also some commands to count the tasks in BOINC Mgr, but I've forgotten them. Anyone?

I don't know about the manager but you can get your task count from the command line.
1) From the command line type: boinccmd --get_tasks
2) Then compare it to the In progress count the host task page.
http://www.hal6000.com/seti/images/check_ghost.png
If your local count is lower than the server count you should call the Ghostbusters.

EDIT: I guess I have been lucky. Power didn't go out even though we are right in the middle of path that hurricane Sandy took. No real problems uploading, downloading, reporting, or requesting work.
3555) Message boards : Number crunching : Lost tasks, really lost now (Message 1302569)
Posted 5 Nov 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
When I have that happen I just leave everything alone. As the current tasks finish the other resends will be delivered. So depending on your computing speed, duty cycle, & such everything will probably be fine.
3556) Message boards : Number crunching : Seti computational farm (Message 1302488)
Posted 5 Nov 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
GenuineIntel
Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU @ 2.40GHz [Family 6 Model 15 Stepping 7]
(4 processors) NVIDIA GeForce 8600 GT (241MB) driver: 258.96

There is my main computer... Maybe I should just add gpu cards to this and my
dual core linux box?

Steven

Upgrading your current GPU to something more efficient would be a good first step.

Loading up a few machines with 3 or 4 high end GPU's is probably the most efficient. However you will have to invest in high capacity power supplies & cooling. With single, or maybe dual, GPU's per machine you can use more run of the mill components.

With a large multiGPU system the CPU is less important. As you may be using it only to run the OS and feed the GPU's. So you could go with a lower cost CPU.

When adding these systems you just have to decide on how much power you are willing to pay for to run them. The UPS's I have in a rack show a usage of about 400 kW/h per week for only about a third of my machines. So it is probably safe to say I'm using around 5,000 kW/h per month running all of the systems. I don't know what the rate we pay for electric at work is, but my home rate is about $0.18 per kW/h.
3557) Message boards : Number crunching : Welcome to the 13 year club (Message 1301290)
Posted 2 Nov 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
13 years and still no ET

I am sure that in another 13 year some alien civilization will discover our planet & how tasty humans are for food.
3558) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (77) Server Problems? (Message 1301077)
Posted 1 Nov 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Certainly something amiss in the server closet - the query rate has climbed to about 3000/s instead of the usual few hundred....

Probably just the daily stat dump being generated.
3559) Message boards : Number crunching : Short WU : Good or Evil ? (Message 1301058)
Posted 1 Nov 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Why do shorties burn more electricity ? ...power load averages show a 40 watt increase when short WUs are processing on my gpus.


I see about a 3% drop is power usage when my 24 core box is chewing through a queue of shorties.

Good, bad, or otherwise. It is all data that needs to be processed.
3560) Message boards : Number crunching : Uneven usage of GPUs (Message 1300991)
Posted 1 Nov 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have used VNC for years all flavours and never had it affect any GPU crunching on any of my machines.

However there is a "Video Hook Driver" that I normally don't install. Perhaps it's that.


I use the RealVNC video hook driver on my HTPC, which isn't doing work at the moment. However when I have BOINC running with the CPU & GPU I have not had any issues with BOINC stopping/suspending work when I am connected remotely.
3561) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (77) Server Problems? (Message 1300785)
Posted 31 Oct 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Shortie storm?

The UPS on my 24 cores box is showing reduced power usage. So it looks like there are plenty of shorties to go around right now.
3562) Message boards : Number crunching : Discussion of Invalid Host Messaging (Message 1299090)
Posted 26 Oct 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I always care if my computers are generating garbage data or not.
However I don't really need anyone whining to me about their tasks not getting validated if I have a machine that decides to trash it's whole cache of work.

When I get a PM from someone about one of my machines generating invalid results it is normally several days or weeks after I have already corrected the machine. So I just add them to the ignore filter & go on my merry way.

It seems people get far to wound up about things that was far outside of their control.
3563) Message boards : Number crunching : Backup seti@home (Message 1298616)
Posted 25 Oct 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Iam geting a another internal hard drive to back up widows the question i have will seti@home work (work units)if i have to use the backup? the back up app iam going to be useing is the one that is build into windows 7



It depends. Where is BOINC and the data folder installed. If it's on the C: drive and you back up that drive you will have a backup that would work if you needed to restore back to it. HOWEVER, once restored S@H will start crunching on WUs that it it has already completed and returned. I don't know what kind of cosmic monkey wrench that would throw into the schedulers for you but I don't think it would be good.

If BOINC and the data folder are on another partition or drive then you will be OK. If you have to restore your backup of C: then S@H will just continue from where it left off when you shut it down to start the restore process.

If your BOINC stuff was on a different partition or drive you could even reformat C: and reinstall Windows without damaging BOINC and the WUs. Just reinstall BOINC and point it to install in the same folders it was in before.

Good luck with the Windows 7 system image backup, I've never had much luck with it. For me it makes the backup perfectly (I guess) but the problems come when I try to restore the image. I make a backup, then just for kicks try to restore it and get the message, "Windows cannot find a backup. Would you like to make one now?". Click yes, make the backup again, try to restore it - same message. Throw in a reboot after the backup is made, still no go. I switched to Macrium Reflect FREE Edition and so far it's doing it's job.

I use norton ghost 2005 to make OS image backups. Just a quick boot to a floppy, CD, or flash drive & then dump the whole drive/partition to an image on another drive/partition.
3564) Message boards : Number crunching : Backup seti@home (Message 1298615)
Posted 25 Oct 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Iam geting a another internal hard drive to back up widows the question i have will seti@home work (work units)if i have to use the backup? the back up app iam going to be useing is the one that is build into windows 7

Last time I used the built in Windows backup software I believe it offered the ability to specify which files & folders to backup. So choose to backup your BOINC & project folders should be doable.

If you were to backup BOINC & the data folder. Then later restore it. It will be in the same state it was at the time of backup. So all the work you already processed & returned will be present again.

One solution would be to use the virtual hard drive option in windows & then install BOINC to it. Then you could backup the VHD file.
3565) Message boards : Number crunching : Hyperthreading (Message 1297952)
Posted 22 Oct 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
In testing the 6 machines I have with i7-860's I tried various configurations.
HT Off: 4 tasks at once.
HT On: 8 tasks at once, & 4 tasks at once.
HT On with 8 tasks was the top producer, but HT On and 4 tasks was only a few % behind it. HT Off with 4 tasks was several % behind HT On with 4 tasks.

The 2nd & 3rd generations chips may produce different results.
3566) Message boards : Number crunching : Quick Question (Message 1297951)
Posted 22 Oct 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The thing that confuses me is Windows 8 is brand spanking new and Microsft thinks it the best thing since sliced bread and you can get it cheap. But If I want windows 7 it costs big bucks.

Thats like buying a new car for $69.00 bucks, But sorry last years model will cost you $200.00.

Id rather use win 7 so I might have to bite the bullet and pay big bucks.

The OEM version of Windows 7 Home Premium generally runs $99 or less at most places.
3567) Message boards : Number crunching : SNB-E not using all threads as it should (Message 1296789)
Posted 19 Oct 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I did find that the SNB-E has this cc_config.xml file in the BOINC/projects directory (but its named cc_config.xml.off) which i assume means it wont be read and there is no corresponding file in the the other system. Other than that both are set to use 100% processors and at most use xx processors is set at 192 due to there are a few rare occasions i can get to play with a very big server and 192 more than covers the number of threads that thing has.
I checked these settings on website and also on he manager preferences menu,

Cold this be causing the problem even tho its name is cc_config.xml.off?
Is there any config file in ~/BOINC i can examine to help determine why it only runs 11 cpu tasks? All threads seem fully occupied if i go by the gkrellm display
cat ~/BOINC/cc_config.xml.off
<cc_config>
    <log_flags>
        <cpu_sched>1</cpu_sched>
        <debt_debug>1</debt_debug>
        <cpu_sched_debug>1</cpu_sched_debug>
        <coproc_debug>1</coproc_debug>
        <cpu_sched>1</cpu_sched>
        <file_xfer>0</file_xfer>
        <file_xfer_debug>0</file_xfer_debug>
        <app_msg_send>1</app_msg_send>
        <app_msg_receive>1</app_msg_receive>
        <unparsed_xml>1</unparsed_xml>
        <work_fetch_debug>1</work_fetch_debug>
</log_flags>
</cc_config>

I would expect BOINC is ignoring your cc_config.xml.off file. You could modify your client config with <ncpus>N</ncpus> to force 12 CPU tasks to run, but that might just run 12 tasks on 11 cores.

I am guessing this the machine in question is host 4520457. Which does show BOINC reporting 12 cores.
If you have something limiting the processor affinity of BOINC to not use one of the processors/cores that might explain what is happening.

Are you seeing only 11 instances of AK_V8_linux64_ssse3 running then?

EDIT: Also the BBCode tags [ pre ] [ /pre ] are for preformatted text.
                                                  CUDA      CUDA       MB        MB        MB
            Total  CUDA  MB   MB Ready CUDA Rdy  Ready to  Uploads   Ready to  Uploads  Downloads   Available  Available Average
  System     WUs    WUs  WUs  to Start to Start  Report    Pending   Report    Pending   Pending    CUDA Work   MB Work  Credit
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
   sys1     1966    677   668   507       489         1        97       1        138         0     3.7 days   5.0 days   27154
   sys2     1962   1397   574   443      1261        10        13      42         84         0     4.1 days  10.1 days   15541
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
3568) Message boards : Number crunching : SNB-E not using all threads as it should (Message 1296680)
Posted 18 Oct 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
If the machine has downloaded more than 11 tasks for the CPU. Then you might want to check the following BOINC settings on your profile and locally.
On multiprocessors, use at most n processors
On multiprocessors, use at most n% of the processors

Also you would want to verify that BOINC is reporting 12 CPUs in the startup. Sort of like this:
12-Oct-2012 16:34:35 [---] Processor: 24 GenuineIntel Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5645 @ 2.40GHz
3569) Message boards : Number crunching : I've got a stuck work unit (Message 1296676)
Posted 18 Oct 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Why is this task stuck?

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/result.php?resultid=2595342740

What would happen is one of the two original task would time out.
A third task would be sent out.
The person that had the task timeout returned their result before the third result was received.
The third result would be received and get stuck in a pending state.

I thought that issue had been corrected before/during the change over to AP v6.

I don't think the correction has worked, i've still got one pending from June :)

Looking back over the messages it looks like people were seeing this back in April as well.
3570) Message boards : Number crunching : Question "finished but invalid" (Message 1296675)
Posted 18 Oct 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
thx for your comments - but temperature can not be the reason - tthrottle keeps an eye on this ;)

Today win7 restarted the nvidia display driver because of an error...maybe this is the reason for the bad results?

It may have been generating the error results before Windows gave up and restarted the driver.
If the driver is restarted by the OS at the very least the current task in process will get trashed. Depending on how long it takes to get things going again several more might get trashed as well. When I see a driver restart I restart BOINC or reboot the system.
3571) Message boards : Number crunching : I've got a stuck work unit (Message 1296426)
Posted 18 Oct 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Why is this task stuck?

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/result.php?resultid=2595342740

What would happen is one of the two original task would time out.
A third task would be sent out.
The person that had the task timeout returned their result before the third result was received.
The third result would be received and get stuck in a pending state.

I thought that issue had been corrected before/during the change over to AP v6.
3572) Message boards : Number crunching : Is There Something Wrong With The AP Splitters? (Message 1296389)
Posted 17 Oct 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I'd be more inclined to think that they are testing new splitter code which - rightly or wrongly - identifies the tapes in question as having too much radar interference to be worth distributing to crunchers. We do know they've been working on that.

I thought rather than throwing a whole tape away, when the WUs are being split, WUs that are 100% blanked should be discarded. Surely a whole tape is not 100% radar-affected.

Provided the code is working correctly I imagine it would just toss out the bad bits and precess the rest. Maybe it is hitting a choke point and bringing everything to a halt.
3573) Message boards : Number crunching : Question "finished but invalid" (Message 1296295)
Posted 17 Oct 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Invalid results are not given credit. That result is marked invalid as it is not strongly similar to the other results.
This can sometimes happen if the card is getting to warm. Sometimes my GT 8500 will just start trashing work for no apparent reason. Normally a reboot fixes things for me.
Looking over the other invalid results for that host. The invalid tasks all seem to have a high spike or pulse count. Which is not uncommon in a card getting a bit to warm, or the driver freaking out. Often a reboot may correct a driver issue. Cleaning out the heatsink is helpful to keep a card cool.
3574) Message boards : Number crunching : Quick Question (Message 1296213)
Posted 17 Oct 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have been checking out the Z77 boards. I dont plan on any overclocking but never say never.

For me the board options really come down to eSATA ports & if the internal SATA ports are at right angles or not. Personally I have grown to loath internal right angle SATA ports.
They idea is to keep the cables out of the way of the video card(s). So it is something to consider.
Generally the SATA connectors are out of the way of the primary PCIe x16 slot in any configuration.
3575) Message boards : Number crunching : Quick Question (Message 1296204)
Posted 17 Oct 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I just wanted a card that can do number crunching at not much more or even less wattage than my GTS 250, And that my PSU can handle. I think I have that now.

Im sure glad all you folks are helping me sort this stuff out. This is my first build and I dont have a clue as to what is what.

Here is what im going to build. An Intel I7 ivy bridge.

What I have is an Antec nine hundred two case.
Corsair enthusiast series TX 650 PSU
On order, Kingston hyper x blue 8 GB DDR3 memory and a EVGA GeForce GTX 550Ti.

What I still need are a hard drive, Motherboard,chipset, DVD R/W,and Windows 7 OS.

The current chipset features are primarily separated by overclocking features & PCIe support. With only the Z77/Z75 allowing memory overclocking.
Motherboards with Z77/Z75 chipsets may offer the option of 1 PCIe x16 @ x16 or 2 PCIe x16 @ x8.
Motherboards with H77, & lower, may offer a 2nd PCIe x16 slot but typically only at x4 speed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGA_1155#Ivy_Bridge_chipsets
3576) Message boards : Number crunching : AMD Radeon HD 7700 series (Message 1296186)
Posted 17 Oct 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
ok the laptop is old so i mite sell it and get a sec video card for my new pc
the new pc has only one pci e slot it has two slot that look like pci but smaller what kind card can i put in it

You may have some PCIe x8, x4, or x1 slots on your motherboard.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:PCIExpress.jpg

There are a few select PCIe x1 video cards. Also there are various PCIe x(8,4,1) to PCIe x16 slot adapters & PCI to PCIe slot adapters.
3577) Message boards : Number crunching : AMD Radeon HD 7700 series (Message 1296153)
Posted 17 Oct 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
sound great, I just got seti running on my old laptop it has a radeon 3200 hd with 256 mb vram can use this?

The stock applications require OpenCL support. Which didn't start until the HD4000 series of cards. More realistically the HD5000 series cards.

The HD2000 & HS3000 cards can be used to process astropulse work with a 3rd party application, if you want to use it. However it has been temporarily removed for download because of licensing concerns. Which they are looking into.
3578) Message boards : Number crunching : Quick Question (Message 1296151)
Posted 17 Oct 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thank you Ivan. I think id better buy it.

The numbers I am looking at are for stock ratings. The GTX 550 Ti is rated a little lower than your current GTS 250. At 691 GFLOP vs 705 GFLOP & a 192 bit memory interface vs 256 bit memory interface. However it does require about 25% less power. So depending on what your requirements it could be the very card you want.
The EVGA is clocked a bit higher than the stock reference numbers. So should pump out more GFLOPs, but it will draw more power doing so. However it is also $80. Which might be the best bang for the buck at the moment.
3579) Message boards : Number crunching : AMD Radeon HD 7700 series (Message 1296145)
Posted 17 Oct 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have it setup to buff up to 10 days worth the work units how ever all the units or seti@home enhanced 6.03

At the moment there is no work being generated for Astropulse. We thing they are testing out new code in the software that splits the data into workunits. Once the MB app is finished beta testing your GPU will also be able to process the standard seti@home enhanced work units.
3580) Message boards : Number crunching : ET Phone home? (Message 1295952)
Posted 16 Oct 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I had the same problem spread over several projects. This was resolved by using a BAT file to do the BOINC Manager update.

The BAT file I use is specific for my system running SETI on the CPUs ...

cls
:START
echo off
time /t
PING -n 3660 127.0.0.1>nul
boinccmd --project http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/ update
GOTO START

The number, after the PING statement, is the time in seconds until the next update request.

I now have few projects requiring manual updating between different project updates, unless I look in between the BAT file requests where the PING has a long set time.

In newer versions of windows you can use the command timeout to have a delay in your .bat scripts. Server 2003 also has it, but XP didn't see to get it. You can copy timeout.exe form a 2003 machine or download timeout.exe from the 2000 resource kit tools.
http://www.petri.co.il/download_free_reskit_tools.htm
Then you could have:
@ECHO OFF
cls
:start
@ECHO %time%
boinccmd --project http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/ update
timeout 3660 /nobreak
goto start

Also this would get the job done.
@ECHO OFF
@ECHO %time%
boinccmd --project http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/ update
timeout 3660 /nobreak
%~nx0
3581) Message boards : Number crunching : tasks showing as 'in progress' but have been completed (Message 1295785)
Posted 15 Oct 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
excellent - just a coincidence that today was the day I decided to post. at the moment 8 seti tasks are running high priority first due to finish in about 12 minutes, then ranging up to 30 mins for the first set of 8 to be run.

I will hopefully get 1 or 2 more hours of crunching in tonight and a few more tommorow morning I'll keep boinc on seti only for now (until nothing shows as running high priority then unpause the einstein clients)

Event log does indeed say lost tasks were re-sent.

Thanks for pointing me in the right direction


Is it safe to set to no new tasks now?

I tend to download work in batches so I dont run risk of missing deadlines if pc is not on or is being used for something else, whenever it looks like I need work I set clients back to allow new tasks.

If you are still having connection issues you might double check that you have received the 79 tasks the server has assigned to you before setting NNT. Otherwise I suspect you should be in good shape.
3582) Message boards : Number crunching : tasks showing as 'in progress' but have been completed (Message 1295774)
Posted 15 Oct 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Looks like you got them a resends & at the moment your machine shows "In progress (79)". So you got the 33 plus some additional tasks assigned.
Your previous tasks that were sent on the 3rd now list as being sent on the 15th. However their due date is still the 16th.
BOINC does have a mechanism where it will abort tasks if they are not started in time. So you should be good no matter how often you run your PC, but I would guess it might take 5 or 6 hours to run the original 33. Their deadline is pretty late in the date for the 16th. So 1-2 hours today and maybe a few more to clear them out I would guestimate.
3583) Message boards : Number crunching : Quick Question (Message 1295654)
Posted 15 Oct 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I can't speak to the different color series as I've only used blue myself, but I would recommend only using 1.5v RAM sticks as that is the official spec for DDR3, and Intel has stated that voltages higher than 1.65v can damage the memory controller built into the CPU.

Higher voltages are typically used to increase overclock stability, and some higher speed DDR3 chips are nothing more than overclocks of existing chip fabs.


Thank you, I was wondering what the voltage difference was about.

You can also get 1.35v DIMMs for lower power consumption. While 1.35v, & 1.25v, DIMMs are part of the DDR3 spec can can check the MB manufacture to see if they have certified them.
3584) Message boards : Number crunching : tasks showing as 'in progress' but have been completed (Message 1295592)
Posted 15 Oct 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
You could look over your stdoutdae.txt or stdoutdae.old files. That is where everything you see in the messages/event log for BOINC is stored.
I suspect these may be ghost tasks that your machine never downloaded before you had set NNT for S@H.
If that is the case and you want to process the tasks. Then you could try increasing your cache settings for BOINC. That may allow you to download, process, & return the S@H tasks before they expire on the 16th.
3585) Message boards : Number crunching : Seti at home takes a lot of power (Message 1294400)
Posted 12 Oct 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Oh my I wondered why Australia's electricity's is so expensive at $0.456 p/kw. But then I am using 3 laptops for BOINC and don't have any desktops. :)


The price is almost the same here and i have 7 desktops with GPUs... :(

But teoricaly we could produce almost 100% of the electricity from hidroelectric plans, so makes no sense the high price we pay here.

Sometimes the high cost has to do with getting the power where it needs to go instead of the cost of producing the power. If the cost was $1.00/kw it might be $0.05 for generation & $0.95 for transmission to your location.
The laws in my state require the company show you the two costs separate. Out of the $0.18/kw I pay it is about $0.10/kw for generation & $0.08 for transmission.
3586) Message boards : Number crunching : Fast download happening. (Message 1294396)
Posted 12 Oct 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
That does tend to occur when we are not maxing out the bandwidth.

I wonder, what that means? All caches full? Too many "AP only" people waiting?

It's hard to say. In the past when there were no AP tasks, no shorties, & no network problems that is about how the graph would look.
With BOINC v7.x it fetches work a bit differently. So it might just be enough people using it & their queues are between their cache day settings. So BOINC doesn't ask for much work.

The list of recent connections shows about 55% of the connections are from BOINC v7.x
3587) Message boards : Number crunching : Average RAC for GTX 670/680.? (Message 1294373)
Posted 12 Oct 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
After looking here I can only guess that you might be right:
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/hosts_user.php?userid=8606388
I thought I had read a post here somewhere that the 670's RAC was near 100,000 a day.

It might have a RAC of 100k on another project, but I would doubt that much for Seti@Home. If you look at the Top Computers you will see one of the top machines with 8 690's is only about 130k.

There are a number of machines with 2 GTX 670's that run 40-60k. The highest single 670 machine I see is running a bit over 30k.

So ballpark I would guesstimate one card is good for a RAC of about 15-20k.

EDIT: I haven't run it enough to get solid numbers, buy my HD6870 seems to be somewhere between 8-15K.
3588) Message boards : Number crunching : Fast download happening. (Message 1294286)
Posted 12 Oct 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
This morning several SETI 366KB downloads showing 500KBps
or more. Some finished downloading and left the transfers
screen before displaying any rate. I don't expect that to continue,
but my, it was refreshing.

That does tend to occur when we are not maxing out the bandwidth.
3589) Message boards : Number crunching : Where is the SETI Unit Naming Convention Description? (Message 1294238)
Posted 12 Oct 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thank you. You have answered both of my original questions. Now I can understand the format. After all, you can't find your destination without the road map. ;)
I appreciate the input provided by everyone who responded to my query.

I believe all that is left on this thread is for someone to answer skildude's question (Message 1293823) about the ".wu" attached to the end of the AP WUs.

Thanks again!

It would no longer be 42 characters long if they removed it.
3590) Message boards : Number crunching : Quick Question (Message 1294233)
Posted 12 Oct 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I didnt know that they are in the motherboard. I really need to do some research.

You may already be looking at video cards, but if you are not this might be helpful.
A comparison of your card with the current generation of cards that are near the same performance or power level as your current hardware from wiki.
GTS 250 GFLOPS:705 145w
GTX 650 GFLOPS:812 64w
GTX 650 Ti GFLOPS:1420 110w
GTX 660 Ti GFLOPS:2460 150w

Most of the Ivy Bridge CPU's have a built in GPU. Which is good enough for basic things like watching movies & playing lower end or older games. So you could start with that and then add a GPU later if you wanted.
3591) Message boards : Number crunching : CUDA Paranoia (Message 1293976)
Posted 12 Oct 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The paranoia message is common. Most, if not all, of my CUDA tasks have that message in there.
3592) Message boards : Number crunching : Quick Question (Message 1293974)
Posted 11 Oct 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
How can you tell if a PSU has one rail or multiple? You do make a good point on trouble shooting. I have played that game at my old job on 12v systems.

When you looking at the rating sticker, or the spec sheet, there will be the current rating for the 12v section.
In a single rail PSU there will be one rating. Something like: 12V 53A.
When there are multiple rails there will be multiple ratings. Like 12V1 25A, 12V2 25A, 12V3 25A. Then there will often be a box giving the rating for all outputs combined. Like 12V 60A MAX on a supply with 3 12V 25A outputs.

3593) Message boards : Number crunching : Quick Question (Message 1293854)
Posted 11 Oct 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have decided to start buying parts for a new build. I have ordered a case from Newegg, An Antec/Nine hundred two V3R ATX Mid Tower.

In a few weeks it will be a power supply. Im thinking a Corsair enthusiast series TX 650 V2 650 W. ATX12v.

I only plan on one GPU, So that should be enough wattage I think. But I dont know what USB requirements are, Nor DVD R/W, Or hard drives.

Any thoughts?


In terms of power that would be more than enough overhead for most system configurations. If you going to go with a GeForce GTX 690 it might be a bit close. I normally size a power supply figuring up to 1/3 of the rating for the GPU(s).
Two of my home systems:
Core 2 Duo E8400 with a HD6870(150w) has a 525w PSU. GPU 28.5% of rated output.
Cote i7-860 with a HD5750(86w) has a 425w PSU. GPU 20.23% of rated output.
My method may not work well for larger GPU systems, but I like it.

Generally hard drives run 10w or less. The WD Green series run closer for 5 or 6w. Unless you are planning to fill up your system with drives they are generally not an issue.
3594) Message boards : Number crunching : Where is all the work? (Message 1293839)
Posted 11 Oct 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
HAL9000 wrote:
Yeah I think I might have cleaned out the feeder in one request.
10/11/2012 8:31:47 AM SETI@home Requesting new tasks for NVIDIA GPU
10/11/2012 8:31:49 AM SETI@home Scheduler request completed: got 123 new tasks
(...)


If I remember correct, the feeder had max. 100 WUs on hand, so our BOINC could get max. 100 WUs/request.

This value was increased? To which value?

If the top #20 hosts request work, all WUs are gone .. ? :-|


* Best regards! :-) * Sutaru Tsureku, team seti.international founder. * Optimize your PC for higher RAC. * SETI@home needs your help. *

Last I heard it was 200 in the feeder. It might be 1000 or 1000000 now. They can change things at any time and not tell us.
3595) Message boards : Number crunching : Where is the SETI Unit Naming Convention Description? (Message 1293835)
Posted 11 Oct 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
That's a very good point. I'm glad you spotted that. I didn't. Thank you!

I was also thinking along the line of, if these names are in error, as was suggested in the thread referenced by Wiggo, then it might cause serious problems later when the SETI staff attempt to identify and work with the returned results. If so, then I hope it turns out to be a non-issue, or at least a minor "ho-hum...". :)


I would imagine the primary way they sort through work would be by the Workunit ID number.
Like this: http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/workunit.php?wuid=1089363385
The name is probably just stored in as a text string in the database. Which unless they defined a smaller limit should accept up to 255 characters. So there should still be over 200 character spaces left to use.
Task/result names get the _# added to them, but I would image those would primarily use their number as well.
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/result.php?resultid=2656098136

EDIT: I think this is what you had originally asked for in your first post, but I keep forgetting to post.
http://www.boinc-wiki.info/Work_Unit_Name_-_SETI@Home
3596) Message boards : Number crunching : Where is all the work? (Message 1293780)
Posted 11 Oct 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The client went wild....
1000 WU in a single hour, going over 7800 WU's, way over the set value.
Another computer got 550, 800 and 900 in 4 hours.

And after that of course all the work is gone.

Yeah I think I might have cleaned out the feeder in one request.
10/11/2012 8:31:47 AM SETI@home Requesting new tasks for NVIDIA GPU
10/11/2012 8:31:49 AM SETI@home Scheduler request completed: got 123 new tasks

I had disabled work fetch for a few days to test something. I just enabled it a few moments ago & went to the messages tab to see how man it might get. I saw the request & by the time I clicked the transfers tab, at most 60s later, it was empty. I thought something had gone wrong, but all the tasks were just done downloading that quickly. I was confused as it has been a while since the bandwidth hasn't been pegged.
3597) Message boards : Number crunching : Where is the SETI Unit Naming Convention Description? (Message 1293778)
Posted 11 Oct 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thank you for your quick answer!
I hope we get an official explanation soon, and I hope these "longnames" aren't wreaking havoc with the SETI database.

Happy crunching!

They are the exact same length as AP names at 42 characters.
ap_06au12ab_B2_P0_00210_20120916_04662.wu
21ap11af.25749.2934.140733193388044.10.40
3598) Message boards : Number crunching : Where is all the work? (Message 1293561)
Posted 10 Oct 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Everything looks pretty normal to me.


It would seem that a great deal of the work recently has been VLAR & VHAR's. Along with lower than normal workunit creation. So a drop in RAC would be expected under these conditions.

It does look like things might be starting to level off, but it is hard to tell for sure at the moment.
3599) Message boards : Number crunching : Work set will not "start" (Message 1293247)
Posted 9 Oct 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I frequently had that occur on 2 of my machines, a P4 & a Core 2 Duo, when I was using the stock science applications. I don't think I have seen it occur after switching to the optimized lunatics apps the past few years.
3600) Message boards : Number crunching : antique server options (Message 1292901)
Posted 8 Oct 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I got a bunch of older P4 based Xeon servers somewhat like that from our IS department a while back. When they stuck a bunch of things in VM's. While I didn't make use of the quad socket server with Xeon MP's (at 2.4GHz IIRC), a Dell version of what you have. I do have a number of IBM 345, Dell 2650, & Dell 2850's running.

I found mine will run a higher RAC with HT enabled. However they are no speed demons that is for sure. I think even an older Atom system would pump out twice the RAC & one of those boards runs like $50-60 these days.

You could get some PCI-X to PCIe adapters like this if you wanted to stick some video cards in there, but you might be limited to the half height cards. Which are pretty low end.
3601) Message boards : Number crunching : Seti at home takes a lot of power (Message 1292806)
Posted 8 Oct 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
FX4100 was just a whim, saw a MB for free at Microcenter and chose the 4100 for $89.00, case with a 400 watt PSU for $28, already had a DVD, 4 gb memory (1333) and bought an Crucial M4 for 94.00 Windows 8 is free - for now. Bought an HD 5450 for $29. So I was up and running for $240.00. Yes you get what you pay for, but with it running win 8 and off an ssd it really isn't bad. All it does is S@H and internet. Thanks a lot for the last two posts. That really helps out with which computer uses the power. I haven't tried to run only the GPUs and no CPU - didn't think about that. I'll give it try. Thanks again.

In the winter those machines pumping out heat could offset some of your heating cost. Depending on where you live. Since I have my home machines not running anything & just have a lower powered C2D mobile running my network storage. I used about 450 KW/h per month less during the summer vs last year when I had them running. My September usage is about 280 KW/h less than it was last year. So about $50-100 a month for my 5 machines to run.
Sadly as I live in a condo and don't own the roof I can't have any panels up there. I am trying to figure out if I can mount some PV panels in my skylights & on my balcony. However with the small area of panels I would be able to have it doesn't look good comparing the cost to return.
3602) Message boards : Number crunching : Can't download the lunatics installer 0.40 (Message 1291614)
Posted 5 Oct 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
but deleted them from the HDD thinking they will be always available for download

This case shows once again, that you should never rely on some websites which might change, become temporarily unavailable or even disappear from the web, better archive everything as far as possible yourself. I store all downloaded installers on my USB-HDD, usually I never need them and just have some additional work replacing the older versions with new ones, but in situation like this one it can really help. Also very usefull for hardware drivers, the manufacturers sometimes remove those for older hardware from their webside and think that people will buy something new because of that.

This is why I archive things. Just in case I might need them later. At the moment I only have the all of the installers from v0.37 to v0.40. Since I have them compressed they take up a whopping 30MB.
3603) Message boards : Number crunching : I've got a stuck work unit (Message 1291594)
Posted 5 Oct 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
If you are sure you want to remove the stuck transfer I can think of two ways to clear it out.

The more risky way would be to stop BOINC, manually edit your client_state.xml file removing the references to the task, & then restart BOINC.

The 2nd way would be to do a project reset. Which clears everything out. As the server has resend enabled all of your currently assigned tasks would be downloaded again.
If you were to set no new tasks to run your cache down that may be more helpful. As downloading 270 tasks again might not be very much fun for you. Depending on your connection.
3604) Message boards : Number crunching : Welcome to the 13 year club (Message 1291344)
Posted 4 Oct 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Another just passed the 13 years, now September has closed ...

Yep another September and another year on SETI@Home. So much data. So little time.
3605) Message boards : Number crunching : Quick Question (Message 1291238)
Posted 4 Oct 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Maybe it was just me not knowing what the heck im doing. But I had tried several times to get an update started and no go.
So I just downloaded them instead. As long as it worked Im happy.

Edit- what is AHIC?

Advanced Host Controller Interface. It is one of the options for the SATA controller on newer systems.
Generally you have 2 or 3 settings:
-Legacy/IDE
-AHCI
-RAID (If the SATA controller has RAID functionality.)

If installing XP/2003 on a newer SATA system you can set it to IDE mode most of the time & be on your way. If you are going to use a newer OS on the new system you are thinking about building. Then you wouldn't need to worry about the IDE mode setting.

In my test lab I use Ghost to make OS images. Which loads from an old dos type boot disc. So I have all of my machines set for IDE mode. Even though some of them don't have any OS's older than Vista on them.
3606) Message boards : Number crunching : VLARs may be compounding the Scheduler problems (Message 1291155)
Posted 4 Oct 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
All that and with ATI GPUs not alowed to have VLAR any more it a perfect storm.

Oops, it's not good ATi should get VLARs...Worth to alert Eric on this issue then.


I emailed him a whiile ago about this.
Never got a reply about it, whats unusual on technical questions.

This happened with the fix for cuda getting VLARs.

I think maybe it was a quick fix to correct the CUDA issue by disabling VLAR for all GPUs. I was not really keeping track of the issue when it came up so I'm not really sure on that.
3607) Message boards : Number crunching : Quick Question (Message 1290407)
Posted 2 Oct 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Well, No bright flash or smoke When I powerd up. Im at 59% of formatting the new drive. Hope thats a good sign.

I normally consider a lack of smoke to be one of the first signs that things are working correctly.
3608) Message boards : Number crunching : Can this work? (Message 1290160)
Posted 1 Oct 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I was under the impression at the time Collatz was Opencl.

In the past ATI applications to do general purpose computer on ATI cards were done via brook/CAL, which would be comparable to Nvidia CUDA. With AMD buying ATI their development went to OpenCL. Abandoning the older brook/CAL system.

Collatz supported the older type originally & recently released OpenCL applications.

The current lunitics MB ATI apps are as follows.
MB6_win_x86_SSE3_OpenCL_ATi_r390.exe
MB6_win_x86_SSE3_OpenCL_ATi_HD5_r390.exe
Without CPU SSE3 support it's a no go.

However the AP app should be go as long as you have SSE2 support.
AP6_win_x86_SSE2_OpenCL_ATI_r555.exe

The original AP application from lunatics supports the older brook/CAL system & it is named as follows.
AP6_win_x86_SSE_Brook_r555.exe
3609) Message boards : Number crunching : Can this work? (Message 1290035)
Posted 1 Oct 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have an HD 4350 laying around. It is only single precision. Can Seti use it? I have a semi retired P4 that I should be able run the card using a PCI to PCIe adapter. Any thoughts?

Depending on the P4 it may or may not be a viable setup. The P4 would need been to be new enough to have SSE3.
3610) Message boards : Number crunching : Seti and Windows8 (Message 1290032)
Posted 1 Oct 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
In the Bonic manager (Simple View), click Tools>>Computing preferences.
Its the 4th dropdown menu.

But you change to that % when you go to bed?

I would guess they open the setting and type the number into the GUI, or use boinccmd if the setting can be configured though it.
3611) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows 8 Release Preview now available (Message 1290031)
Posted 1 Oct 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Well this was bound to happen.

Put the Start menu back in Windows® 8

I use Classic Shell for that. When using it with Windows 8 you can configure it so you go straight to the desktop. Which I think is the default setting when install in 8.
3612) Message boards : Number crunching : Quick Question (Message 1288171)
Posted 26 Sep 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
A quick update. Yesterday I orderd form Newegg one Koutech 10-ASA221 IDE to dual SATA adapter and one western Digital 500 GB Sata hardrive. Total cost was $99.98 US. Should be here in a few days. I hope it works.

edit-Well the UPS truck just dropped off my goodies. That is some fast service.

However I neglected the fact that I didnt order the SATA cable to connect from the hard drive to the adapter, Or that my PSU has a 4 pin round connector. And I dont think they will fit on those skinny pins.

So I need to get educated on what kind of pins are used and find the right ones to get this thing going.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SATA might be overkill, but it probably does have all the information you may want to get up to speed on in regards to SATA pinouts and such.

If if need to order both power and data cables you might be able to save $1 or so and get one of the combined data and power cables like this:


Your local best buy or such may have the cables as well. It just comes down to how much they want to overcharge for them.
3613) Message boards : Number crunching : Tempting Ivey Bridge Build (Message 1288062)
Posted 26 Sep 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
This doesn't relate directly to your question (and I'm not even sure if it's appropriate for Number Crunching) but I had an idea a few weeks ago while reading some posts in NC.

Why don't the UPS manufacturers get together with the computer power supply makers and output the computer's various requirements directly from the UPS? I'm not an electrical engineer, but I'm sure quite a bit of efficiency could be gained from not inverting the battery power to 110VAC and then rectifying it again to get what the computer needs. It would also remove a major source of heat from the computer case.

The UPS would still have to invert 110VAC for the monitor and whatever other peripherals the user chooses to plug into it (I run my U-Verse modem/router off my UPS, and also the radios for my radioreference.com feed), but the computer is always by far the biggest power consumer in a complete setup and would provide the biggest efficiency gain from this idea. And maybe they could also offer some 3/5/6/9/12 VDC outputs that could power some peripherals, such as modems and routers, which usually have external power supplies.

In business terms, computer makers could lower sticker prices by leaving out the power supply, and then charge more than the actual difference for the "upgrade" to a version with it. Also, it would get a whole lot of people to buy a new UPS even if their old one is still adequate (or they're savvy enough to just replace the batteries when needed).

In systems where it is not viable to use AC power they make DC computer supplies. Like this http://www.powerstream.com/DC_PC.htm

Moving the power supply inside a UPS would be just that. Moving it.
3614) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (77) Server Problems? (Message 1287720)
Posted 25 Sep 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I can track batches of shorties that my 24 core box is processing via its UPS load stats. It's only about a 2% difference drop in power when running shorties, but at that machines power level it is apparent.
Snapshot of the past few weeks.
http://www.hal6000.com/seti/images/ups_load-month.png

What software are you using to monitor the UPS?
I bought a couple of cheap 1400VA UPSs & the software that came with them was crap.

Hal would have to answer but it looks like he is using rrdtool with snmp or something similar that utilizes rrd..
This is just a guess and I might be wrong.. Some of the newer web enabled ups cards do trending by default.

You might want to check out cacti it is one of the pieces of software I use.

PS: It is a endless cycle when wu finish faster than they can be uploaded :(
I am sure someone is looking at it..

I use MRTG instead of RRDtool. The cricket graphs we like to fret over so much are generated using software based on RRDtool.
3615) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (77) Server Problems? (Message 1287465)
Posted 24 Sep 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Indeed, it's been a while since I stared moaning again but after 4 days of only shorties (who take less time to process then to download) my cache is down to only 5 days of work on my main rig... Can't remember being this low since before the summer.

Ah well, the boys are probably sorting things out as I write this - as it's monday morning in California - so let's just wait and see.

No hard feelings :-) it's a volunteer project and the work they pull off at the lab with the resources they have is just fantastic.

I can track batches of shorties that my 24 core box is processing via its UPS load stats. It's only about a 2% difference drop in power when running shorties, but at that machines power level it is apparent.
Snapshot of the past few weeks.
http://www.hal6000.com/seti/images/ups_load-month.png
3616) Message boards : Number crunching : Quick Question (Message 1287409)
Posted 24 Sep 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I took a look inside and the only thing I found on the motherboard was intell ecthed in it and these numbers. E210882
4000811
ABRG31149538-AA-29595-101

This is an old gateway tower that I bought brand new in 2003.
The manual is useless as its just generic information.

I spent some time Sunday priceing computers on line and the cheapest of what I wanted to do was $800.00

I did some checking at newegg and I could get the componets for what I wanted for $569.00
Also newegg has a 3 part series on how to rebuild a computer that convinced me that this something I can do. ( this would be a first attempt by me to do a build.)

So I will buy the things I need when I can afford them.And when I have them all I will do the build.

Mark I think you are spot on about getting a big case and a PSU that I can grow with. I dont think the case I have will be able to handle a bigger PSU.

And I will check and see if I can find a resonable priced IDE drive just to get the old P4 running. In all the yearss Ive had it its only cost me $125.00 in repair costs.

Id like to thank all of you for your advice and wisdom. Its much appreciated.

One option you also have is an adapter like this. Which with a 500GB SATA drive would be about the same cost as buying an 80GB PATA drive.
Then you could move the SATA drive over to your new system when you get around to building it.

Also it looks like your motherboard is an Intel D845GLVA.
3617) Message boards : Number crunching : Changing Windows process priority on the fly via command line. (Message 1287391)
Posted 24 Sep 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
You can use Task Manager, it is probably quicker and less error prone; and they both call the same API.

Go to the Processes tab, right click the process you wish to change the priority of...

This information is more for those that ask how to change the to process priority automatically. Other than telling them to "install 3rd party software".

Since I stumbled on it while doing other things & no one had mentioned it before, that I could find, I figured someone might have a use for it.

A full write up about all the various ways of controlling the science app processes would probably be more informative when I get around to putting this up on my webserver.
3618) Message boards : Number crunching : App_info with one count value for GTX 295 and one for Fermi and later. (Message 1285632)
Posted 19 Sep 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
There are 2 issues I have observed when running multiple BOINC clients you may want to be aware of if you decide to give it a try.

BOINC 6.10.xx does not always generate a different host_cpid for each instance. That is fixed in BOINC 7.0.xx. At least in v 7.0.25 or newer.
If all client instances have the same host_cpid you will get a lot of Abandoned tasks each time the other client connects.

BOINC Manager 7.0.xx seems to have an issue when connecting to other BOINC instances on the local machine. When connecting to localhost:31417 or localhost:31418 Manager seems to only want to connect to port 31416. Even specifying the host name/address doesn't appear to work. BOINC Manager 6.10.xx doesn't seem to have that issue. BOINC Manager 7.0.xx does work if started using the host/port syntax. Such as:
boincmgr.exe /n, --namehost=localhost /g, --gui_rpc_port=31417
3619) Message boards : Number crunching : Main cruncher is not getting CPU wu's (Message 1285529)
Posted 19 Sep 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Yes. BOINC wants to fill the GPU cache first at the expense of the CPU cache. IIRC this has something to do with the server code & it may get fixed one day.

You can change your project setting(s) for Use ATI/NVIDIA GPU to no via your web settings. This will allow your machine to fill its CPU cache. Also lowering your cache setting should help prevent this from occurring in the future.

This has been occurring for several people for some time. It might be time to make a sticky about this issue. As it seems to be asked quite often now.
3620) Message boards : Number crunching : App_info with one count value for GTX 295 and one for Fermi and later. (Message 1285478)
Posted 19 Sep 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I'm thinking perhaps it could be done using 2 plan_classes, and/or version_nums, but how to make BOINC understand the difference, and also not to mess with project server?

AFAIK, The only way is running 2 instances of BOINC, each one set to ignore one of the GPUs...

Any other workaround (including the trivial "crunch only 1 per GPU in all of them") will give you more headaches than beneffits, specially due to the difference in performances... the estimations will be very wrong for both GPUs, the cache may get over/under filled, and worst of all, WUs may fail due to "too much time elapsed" error when crunched on the slower GPU.

Running multiple instances of BOINC would also have the benefit of not getting VLAR timeout issues if the GPU's were in an instance separate from the CPU(s).

The only disadvantage of running multiple instances is that there are multiple machines in your list that are all part of the same machine. So if you were trying to get a high ranking in the "Top computers" list it would work against you.
3621) Message boards : Number crunching : Impossible deadlines (Message 1285147)
Posted 18 Sep 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Isn't this new wording? Change today?

9/17/2012 5:09:59 PM | SETI@home | Didn't resend lost task 13my12aa.28462.19290.12.10.168.vlar_0 (expired).

At least it gives a clue.

Agree that these should not impact daily quotas and s/b called server aborted or something like that.

The client has had that message for quite some time.
3622) Message boards : Number crunching : Impossible deadlines (Message 1284777)
Posted 17 Sep 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The explanation is well known, and has been given on these boards many times

I think we should have a sticky thread about it, this question seems to come back at least 1-2 times a week (including posts in the panic thread).

People actually read those?

Ideally I think the solution would be to change the results messages from
"Outcome No reply" & "Timed out - no response"
to something like
"Outcome server canceled" & "Timed out - server canceled"

Something more descriptive would be better, but I haven't had coffee yet this morning.
3623) Message boards : Number crunching : Changing Windows process priority on the fly via command line. (Message 1283633)
Posted 14 Sep 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
It has been asked several times if there is a way in Windows to adjust process priority on the fly automatically. Generally you can install software such as process lasso or such.

However there is a command line option to so the same thing using wmic. Apparently it has been around since XP... I recently learned about it when doing some other things. So I figured I would share the info.

The command line syntax:
wmic process where name="AppName" CALL setpriority ProcessIDLevel

The customary notepad example setting it to "Above Normal":
wmic process where name="notepad.exe" CALL setpriority 32768

Idle:		64
Below Normal:	16384 
Normal:		32 
Above Normal:	32768
High Priority:	128
Real Time:	256


On XP/2003 I had to run wmic by itself first where it stated "Please wait while WMIC is installed.

At the moment I'm trying to work out how to use the Task Scheduler to set the science app priority up when the machine is idle and then return them to low when not idle.
3624) Message boards : Number crunching : holy cow! 20 timeouts (Message 1283592)
Posted 14 Sep 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Last time I checked the ghost task VLAR timeout was more opposite of your description.

1) Host requests work for CPU or CPU & GPU.
2) Server assigns VLAR tasks to the CPU, but the host doesn't receive the list.
3) Host requests work for just GPU.
4) Server wants to send the tasks the host doesn't have.
5) The check for not allowing VLAR tasks on the GPU is tripped.
6) The tasks are marked as "Timed out - no response".

I think there was some talk about trying to prevent this, but I don't know if that was just talk or not.

IIRC: When a host makes a request it sends its list of all tasks in the client_state.xml. So if they are being processes, waiting, or in a transfer state it will tell the server "Hey I have these tasks".

3625) Message boards : Number crunching : Optimize your GPU. Find the value the easy way. (Message 1283435)
Posted 14 Sep 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
About ten days of crunching 3 wu per GPU. One Gtx 470 and one gtx 670.
6 gpu tasks and 6 cpu tasks now running (started cpu tasks about 4-5 days ago)

I7-920 cpu Hyperthread enable (only overclocked to 3.6ghz) GPU's not overclocked
due to different versions.

started with rac close to zero now at 23k and climbing. Will wait and see what the 60 day avg comes out 2.
Have been able to keep the system fed with wu's so far.

thanks for all the info.

Keep on crunching !!

From your daily numbers I would guesstimate somewhere between high 40K to low/mid 50K range.
3626) Message boards : Number crunching : Strangest graphic ever displayed by seti@home (Message 1282311)
Posted 10 Sep 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:


http://seticlassic.ssl.berkeley.edu/rfi/broad_band.html

"the SETI@home screensaver normalizes the graph" so it's not 'very low power signal' but is probably normal noise surrounded by strong 'signals' (and very strong 'signals' are very probably very near (terrestrial)).



Hi,

It was much weirder than that image... VERY flat in the middle (diagonal), and normal signal around, just like a path. Came over and over, in different directions during the run...

I so regret not screen shooting it... :(

It naturally means that is the location where the extraterrestrial signals were located, but the aliens removed them as not to be detected.

If it were totally flat. It could have been something like the data recorder not receiving any information from the telescope or something.
3627) Message boards : Number crunching : Will this GPU card support 'crunching'? (Message 1280495)
Posted 6 Sep 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Using the 3rd party app for the older cards is already well covered earlier in this thread. However you can also use their apps on all of your machines for a bit more 'bang for your buck' if you should like.

The stock AP app supports cards with OpenCL support. Like the 6870 card you have in one of your other machines. That is why it is getting work and your ATI GPUs are not. The 4000 Series cards are really the start of support for that, but more realistically the 5000 series cards.

I have several machines at work with 3450 GPUs. I would love to replace them with 7450 cards. For lower power usage and 4 to 5 times more GFLOPS.
3628) Message boards : Number crunching : What happened to credit calculation? (Message 1280438)
Posted 5 Sep 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
That's a bit low for an Astropulse task, most of mine get around 800.

670 credits is pretty good for 3 seconds of time.
3629) Message boards : Number crunching : What Motherboards are you using? (Message 1280437)
Posted 5 Sep 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
An additional question to this, does the configuration of the PCIe slots on a certain mobo have a huge affect on crunching data? Like if the slots are running x8 or x4 or x16 will it have a huge affect?? Will I/we get the maximum out of these expensive graphics cards?

In the past some users have done tests where they ran their cards at various slot speeds. Comparing x16 to x8 to x4. There is a measurable difference at x4, but not a great amount. I don't recall the numbers at the moment but something like 4% slowdown at x4 and little to none at x8.

Really the only time the PCIe bus is used is the transferring of work to and form the card. With faster cards cranking though work faster that slow down would probably increase. As more tasks are being loaded and unloaded in a given amount of time.

In any case if you want to run a 2nd or 3rd card in a PCIe x4 slot it isn't going to greatly effect its processing. Other things like gameplay or 3D rendering could be a totally different story.
3630) Message boards : Number crunching : What Motherboards are you using? (Message 1279985)
Posted 4 Sep 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
For many, many, many years I was an ASUS fan, but I've gone with GigaByte for the past 3 or 4 years.

Depending on your purposes differing manufacture have advantages. Those advantages can also be per product. If your plan is to overclock everything within a micron of it's life a manufacture may have a good board for that. However that robustness may not carry over into all of their products.
3631) Message boards : Number crunching : 10ja10zz. WU's ??? (Message 1279982)
Posted 4 Sep 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The 6 I received all ended in computation error (because I'm on 'anonymous platform'??), so I used a modified vlar resend process to delete them.

Eithier way they'll end up being regarded as an Error, you could get them resent to the Stock app and complete them that way,

Claggy


They were cpu wu's that all ended with Integer Divide by Zero faults. The result texts show no cpu seconds and no runtimes.

My Lunatics cpu app is AK_v8b2_win_SSE41.exe.

The files were resent, but they did not reappear in client_state.xml...so I deleted the files a second time. Another manual update since then was made with no more activity from the servers. They will timeout on 9/8.

Because they don't seem to be 'valid' workunits, I would just rather they all timeout than get computation errors.

Lt


Simply aborting them would have been to difficult? Then they would have been sent to another host instead of waiting 6-8 weeks to timeout and then be sent to another host.
3632) Message boards : Number crunching : ATI HD5770 XP Pro continually reboots (Message 1278387)
Posted 31 Aug 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I agree. I think the best bet is to turn off the GPU usage for now,
maybe get a different card later and try again.
I appreciate your help. thank you.

Unless there is a defect with the card it should work fine. My HD5750 cranked along just fine until I hard to turn it off for the summer. I wasn't using the 12.x drivers though. I had installed them but that machine is my HTPC & those drivers caused funky playback issues. So I went back to Cat 11.12.

EDIT: I also use Windows 7 on that machine. So your mileage may vary.
3633) Message boards : Number crunching : 10ja10zz. WU's ??? (Message 1278384)
Posted 31 Aug 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The 'tape' ID of zz does seem to indicate this is something odd. Unless they did happen to have 676 'tapes' that day.
Perhaps this is trying to get some of the old data that was unsplitable before.
3634) Message boards : Number crunching : Upgrading the garage cruncher. Help! (Message 1278305)
Posted 31 Aug 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Ok cool. Thanks. Eases my mind a bit. I guess I just fiqured the Gpu would be the one using the most resources.

Well in a way it is. With GPUz you can monitor the GPU usage %.
I prefer to use NVIDIA Inspector since it is like GPUz & has nicer graphs plus overclocking functions.
3635) Message boards : Number crunching : 10ja10zz. WU's ??? (Message 1278297)
Posted 31 Aug 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Out of the 4 I have processed so far 2 were completed by the stock app.

Workunit: 1056405533
10ja10zz.7361.4578.6.10.227.vlar
Workunit: 1056385201
10ja10zz.7361.897.6.10.78
Workunit: 1056325001 - Completed w/o error by Stock app.
10ja10zz.7591.2942.3.10.103.vlar
Workunit: 1056308870 - Completed w/o error by Stock app.
10ja10zz.7591.1306.3.10.29.vlar

EDIT: Across all of my systems I only found 1 more of these.
Workunit: 1056385156 - Already errored by wingmate on anon app.
10ja10zz.7361.897.6.10.65_1
3636) Message boards : Number crunching : Upgrading the garage cruncher. Help! (Message 1278293)
Posted 31 Aug 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Yes Thanks. Thats what it was running at, so I overclocked the Gpu a bit, and also checked the Cpu box in the seti preferances, and now I have two tasks running, and one waiting. However according to the task mgr, the cpu is doing more of the work but when you look at the precentage and elasped times the Gpu appears to be going a lot faster.
I guess I will just have to make some small changes until I get it right.

T

When you look at task manager the CPU should be using most of the processor time with the GPU application using close to none. On my old GT 8500 the CPU usages is normally 1 to 2% with it jumping to 5% sometimes.
However when tasks are loading on the GPU the GPU app usage might be nearly max.
3637) Message boards : Number crunching : ATI HD5770 XP Pro continually reboots (Message 1278292)
Posted 31 Aug 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
On my test machines that have HD3450's I had the same issue of the machine crashing once BOINC was started. However that was with an older version of BOINC and even older older ATI drivers, CAT 10.3 IIRC.
At that time I just disabled the use of GPU's in BOINC to resolve the issue for me. Since then the machines have newer drivers & BOINC. So I no longer have the issue.

To troubleshoot you might want to give that a try disabling GPU's in BOINC.
If you have a cc_config.xml file can use this entry to tell BOINC to ignore your GPU.
<cc_config>
<options>
<no_gpus>1</no_gpus>
</options>
</cc_config>
If you are not familiar with the cc_config.xml file here is the information about it.
http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Client_configuration
3638) Message boards : Number crunching : biggest available PC fan (Message 1273483)
Posted 20 Aug 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I guess how you want to use the fan really comes down to what you really want. I have some 120vac 120mm fans that probably move several hundred CFM, but they make about as much noise as a 474 taking off from the runway. I was using them to cool my Celeron 333MHz with a sandwich cooler to get it up to 666MHz.
Later I got a commercial 30" air circulator. Which I placed on the floor by my desk and had it blow into/through the case. Made less noise and was as effective.

If you have a limit on the amount of noise you are willing to tolerate then you can find the highest volume fan that makes that much or less noise.

A squirrel cage/centrifugal fan might also be something you want to look at.
3639) Message boards : Number crunching : Interesting difference on my hardware between operating systems. (Message 1273479)
Posted 20 Aug 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I let BOINC run it's initial benchmark. Then I set the values to what they should be in the client_state.xml. After that I run BOINC with the skip cpu benchmarks command.
I found in testing that different versions of BOINC will generate drastically different numbers. I think they use the same random number generator as they do in the credit granted code.
3640) Message boards : Number crunching : Remaining Time INCREASES (Message 1271489)
Posted 14 Aug 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Several of the ones you aborted have a lot of run run, 2,000-3,000 seconds, with a small amount of CPU time, around 100-200 seconds. Sounds like your CPU is busy doing other things. Which will drive up the estimates.
3641) Message boards : Number crunching : 2 CPU cores, 2 projects 50:50 - how difficult can that be? (Message 1271093)
Posted 13 Aug 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
When I was running S@H Beta on a 4 core machine I wanted to give it 25% of the CPU's, 1 CPU. However it would sometimes fill the cache 100% with beta work and other times 100% regular work. Not what I was wanting.

The only solution I could come up with that worked was to run each project in a separate instance of BOINC. The instance for S@H was configured for 3 CPU's and the other for S@H Beta was configured for 1 CPU.

The primary disadvantage of this setup is that if one project runs out of work you have idle resources.

I think they would need to add a configuration to specify the minimum resources a project can use while it actively has work to work like you, and many others, would want.
<minimum_procs>
<url>project_URL</url>
[<mp_cpus>N</mp_cpus>]
[<mp_gpus>N</mp_gpus>]
</minimum_procs>
3642) Message boards : Number crunching : Upgrading the garage cruncher. Help! (Message 1269102)
Posted 8 Aug 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Yeah sorry guys for posting stuff when I just woke up. Jeez! Lets see here. I did try using a good known monitor to check pc #2, and it does the same thing. I was bummed. I only have one monitor now. A few weeks ago my son needed one and I gave him the one that went with the 2nd pc. I don't know what I was thinking when I said I could run them through the modem card. I'm on wireless (Duh). Is a cross over ethernet cable just the standard type, or does it have more wires?

After finishing a grueling semester of PC repair courses, I told myself, or should I say trying to convince myself that I didn't want to take the networking class this fall, because it's geared for someone who wants to work as an IT person. Thats not me, but I'm wondering now if I wouldn't benefit from it. Dang it's alot of binary stuff again. I don't mind the math and all, but one little mistake screws it all up.

Well if anyone has any Ideas how to get #2PC up and running I'm all ears. I've just been trying eveything I know. Switching all the cables over to the 2nd unit for testing is no big deal since thier both on my workbench anyway.

What are you guys doing up so early anyway? Ha Ha have a good day.

Well it's 11:30 for me and I'm at work. :P

A crossover cable has the transmit and receive lines reversed on one end. That way you connect transmit to receive between the two connections. Otherwise you would be connecting transmit to transmit and receive to receive.

As far as the issue with the machine it is hard to say. It might be something as simple as the refresh rate set to high in the video driver. However if the machine does the same thing booting into safe mode, F8, then something else is most likely going to be the issue.
3643) Message boards : Number crunching : Upgrading the garage cruncher. Help! (Message 1269076)
Posted 8 Aug 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
As well as beefing up the old box here is an additional idea that is also low cost. You could use the 2nd machine you have, which you say doesn't work well, and get an Intel Atom or AMD APU motherboard for it. They generally run in the $60-100 range.
Here is one as an example. As that one has a PATA connector you would just need the MB and RAM. Provided the drives and PSU in your other machine are not an issue.
That MB only has a PCI slot, but there are others that do have a PCIe slot. So the option to put some kind of video card is there either way.



Yeah, lots of of differant ways to speed up the process. I was thinking about using the 2nd one at some point. For some reason it will boot and the XP Windows page comes up, and then the monitor just goes blank. I've tried changing the settings in Bios, safe mode, ctrl f11 you name it ,and I've tried it.

Iwas wondering if I ever got it running if there was a way to run them in parallel together, using the same wifi connection. Maybe through the modem cards with an ethernet cable. Maybe I was just having a nightmare. :-)>

I haven't sent the 2nd unit to the boneyard yet.

Using the wifi for both should be as easy as. Connecting the two via a crossover Ethernet cable & then setting up internet connection sharing.
3644) Message boards : Number crunching : CLOSED* SETI/BOINC Milestones [ v2.0 ] - XXIV *CLOSED (Message 1269049)
Posted 8 Aug 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
My new laptop has taken me to a 3K RAC and still going. Given that my Core 2 Duo does about 1800, this laptop should be double that or more since its 4 cores. Gonna have to wait and see!

My i3-390m notebook will do around 3.5K RAC. So your estimate of about 3.6K is probably spot on. Depending on how much the turbo kicks in you could even get closers to 4K.
3645) Message boards : Number crunching : Upgrading the garage cruncher. Help! (Message 1269043)
Posted 8 Aug 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
As well as beefing up the old box here is an additional idea that is also low cost. You could use the 2nd machine you have, which you say doesn't work well, and get an Intel Atom or AMD APU motherboard for it. They generally run in the $60-100 range.
Here is one as an example. As that one has a PATA connector you would just need the MB and RAM. Provided the drives and PSU in your other machine are not an issue.
That MB only has a PCI slot, but there are others that do have a PCIe slot. So the option to put some kind of video card is there either way.
3646) Message boards : Number crunching : Upgrading the garage cruncher. Help! (Message 1268368)
Posted 6 Aug 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Depending on how accurate the specs from Dell happen to be. You may be able to put a Pentium 4 with 1MB of cache & Hyper-Threading up to 3.2GHz in the old machine.

A few months ago I bought a 3.0GHz Prescott P4 for my old box to give me SSE3 support. IIRC I only paid about $15 with shipping. So you could probably give the CPU a decent upgrade pretty cheap as well.

However, I have found running 24/7 the top end P4 CPU's will have a max RAC at or just under 1000. So adding a GPU should be a large improvement in production for that machine. Even if it is just running a few hours per day.
3647) Message boards : Number crunching : CLOSED* SETI/BOINC Milestones [ v2.0 ] - XXIV *CLOSED (Message 1266509)
Posted 1 Aug 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Seems I just passed the million double nickle for S@H.
Look out 100,000,000 I'm coming for you!

Good luck you everyone on their intended goals & best wishes on their previous milestones.
3648) Message boards : Number crunching : Has anybody else noticed the change to the message boards? (Message 1266410)
Posted 1 Aug 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
... Perhaps some people didn't like it so they went somewhere more user friendly? Until the other bugs that were introduced by adding the pages are fixed I'm sticking with 10,000 posts per page.

Strangely enough, I've gone with "999"...

Two less digits for my lazy typing, big enough, and a pun on the emergency number for this country!


Happy crunchin',
Martin

If they would fix the other features that were broken in the process of adding pages I would have it set to a value closer to 30. I still preferred the old functionality. It was unique and I though a much nicer way to view things. However, if they are going to make the forums like other software I would suggest they just using off the shelf software instead. As it would at least get maintained and bugs fixed. Instead of just doing a half way job of implementing a feature and then leaving at that.
3649) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Help.... I messed something up. (Message 1266408)
Posted 1 Aug 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I tried reading through this whole ridiculous thread to see if my complaint has been observed, but there's a lot of posts and I don't have time to read through everything.

My default has always been to display the oldest posts first, so the new ones are at the bottom, and if it is a thread that I have read before, it jumps to the first unread post and then I just read from there.

This works for the most part, until I post a reply in that thread, and then the post order changes to newest first. That's annoying. I have never once in my life read a forum thread backwards like that. I grew up learning to read top-to-bottom.

I can't recall any written language where it is read bottom to top. If some people want to read backwards power to them, but as it has been stated. I don't see why I am forced to see posts in that manor when my settings are set otherwise.
3650) Message boards : Number crunching : Has anybody else noticed the change to the message boards? (Message 1265962)
Posted 30 Jul 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Is it my imagination or have the message boards gone awfully quiet since the new "paged format" was introduced?


Or is everyone on holiday?

Or is the USA switched off due to the weather being too hot?


Happy crunchin',
Martin

No current holidays here. Perhaps some people didn't like it so they went somewhere more user friendly? Until the other bugs that were introduced by adding the pages are fixed I'm sticking with 10,000 posts per page.
3651) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Help.... I messed something up. (Message 1265961)
Posted 30 Jul 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
AWOL ability to edit the title of a thread you originated.

Anyone know why this was taken away?

It wasn't as I can still do this, on an original post, not on a reply or quote.


I thought that was something only mods can do.

It is convoluted, but normal users have been able to edit the topic of a thread they started.
They just have to post a new message in the thread they authored and then edit that message to get the title option.
3652) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Help.... I messed something up. (Message 1264833)
Posted 27 Jul 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Nope John. I think it is settings.
Regardless
Out of our hands.

I just get the one message I am replying or quoting when I press those buttons. If it is a setting I don't have it. :(
3653) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (76) Server Problems? (Message 1264195)
Posted 25 Jul 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hey man, Like, what happened.
Oscar is offline.
And a dinosaur sized bite out of the cricket graph.
I think The Duck has devolved into a tyranosaurus sized graph muncher.

The MySQL db had some sort of issue. So everything off-line until 4 or 5 hours ago.


Well, don't blame me, it was never My SQL, it must have been someone elses SQL....

I didn't say it was your fault. I said I was going to blame you. :P
3654) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (76) Server Problems? (Message 1264187)
Posted 25 Jul 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hey man, Like, what happened.
Oscar is offline.
And a dinosaur sized bite out of the cricket graph.
I think The Duck has devolved into a tyranosaurus sized graph muncher.

The MySQL db had some sort of issue. So everything off-line until 4 or 5 hours ago.
3655) Message boards : Number crunching : Has anybody else noticed the change to the message boards? (Message 1264157)
Posted 25 Jul 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I figured it would be more like this.
http://www.hal6000.com/seti/color_test.html


But that is easy to read :¬)
This is the best color combonation ever!

On this old CRT I have at work that combination is unreadable.
3656) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Help.... I messed something up. (Message 1264071)
Posted 24 Jul 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Have you noticed, that when you use the reply next to red x, the page loads fast. If you use the one on top, it takes forever.
Since when do we code for one Setizen only, well maybe two or three.
AAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH

The buttons at the top, and bottom, of the page for me are "Post to thread"
Post to thread loads the whole thread to read while typing.
Reply & Quote load only the message to which they are associated. Which I imagine is much faster as it isn't loading the whole thread.

Not the entire thread, just posts per page posts from the thread.

Good point. The thread I had selected to verify how I though it worked was only 1 page.
3657) Message boards : Number crunching : Can't get MB tasks all of a sudden (Message 1264069)
Posted 24 Jul 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
You could also check AP in your preferences to try to get some MB tasks.

I have seen glitches in work requests where I have machines that do not run AP get a response form the server about no AP tasks. However that is normally just once every so often.
3658) Message boards : Number crunching : New AstroPulse for GPU ( ATi & NV) released (r1316) (Message 1264066)
Posted 24 Jul 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I've noticed that some WUs are getting low credits, is there a problem somewhere? It's not happening only with the latest app, it also happened with previous versions, not sure when I first noticed it.

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/results.php?hostid=6442255&offset=0&show_names=0&state=3&appid=12

Do you mean the ones with 0.13 & 0.08 credit? Which are 100% blanked.
3659) Message boards : Number crunching : Has anybody else noticed the change to the message boards? (Message 1264064)
Posted 24 Jul 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
As I see it is the consensus is it sucks and I agree.

As has been shown many times before changes are made to things based on what they think we want/need. With the changes there are still two bugs that have not been fixed. I do mean actual broken functions & not just changed behavior that is unliked.

I have the feeling that if someone requested a feature to change their view of the webpage background color. That we would all logon one day to find the background color bright green. With no option to change it.


The text would be in green also. Probably a slightly lighter shade though.

I figured it would be more like this.
http://www.hal6000.com/seti/color_test.html
3660) Message boards : Number crunching : Can't get MB tasks all of a sudden (Message 1263696)
Posted 23 Jul 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
"Astropulse v505" is no longer active so you can turn that off if you wish.
"SETI@home v7" is just a place holder for now.

It looks like you haven't been assigned a MB task in several days. You could try setting,
"If no work for selected applications is available, accept work from other applications?"
to yes if you currently have it set to no.
3661) Message boards : Number crunching : Has anybody else noticed the change to the message boards? (Message 1263670)
Posted 23 Jul 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
As I see it is the consensus is it sucks and I agree.

As has been shown many times before changes are made to things based on what they think we want/need. With the changes there are still two bugs that have not been fixed. I do mean actual broken functions & not just changed behavior that is unliked.

I have the feeling that if someone requested a feature to change their view of the webpage background color. That we would all logon one day to find the background color bright green. With no option to change it.
3662) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Help.... I messed something up. (Message 1263664)
Posted 23 Jul 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Have you noticed, that when you use the reply next to red x, the page loads fast. If you use the one on top, it takes forever.
Since when do we code for one Setizen only, well maybe two or three.
AAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH

The buttons at the top, and bottom, of the page for me are "Post to thread"
Post to thread loads the whole thread to read while typing.
Reply & Quote load only the message to which they are associated. Which I imagine is much faster as it isn't loading the whole thread.
3663) Message boards : Number crunching : Network? (Message 1262573)
Posted 20 Jul 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
How much bandwidth (in KB, MB,etc) per month does SETI@ home use? I stopped running Astropulse tasks, so just the SETI ones. I know it wont be the same for everyone, but just an estimate maby. [/list]

Checking the reports on my ISA server for all Berkeley traffic the past few months and dividing by the number of machines. I get an average of around 110MB per machine per month. That includes data traffic for AP, forum, & MB tasks.

For a rough estimate you can use 400KB for MultiBeam tasks. Which 1 tasks a day over 30 days comes to ~12MB. So take your daily number of tasks and multiply it by 12MB. Processing 10 tasks a day comes to about 120MB a month.

The newest versions of BOINC let you set a monthly data transfer limit if you have bandwidth limitations.
3664) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Help.... I messed something up. (Message 1262507)
Posted 20 Jul 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
It seems more coding is going on. !@#$%^&*()_+

I say that a lot at work.
3665) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (76) Server Problems? (Message 1262284)
Posted 19 Jul 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
There's also some discussion of what looks to me like a possible routing problem at Lunatics.

Or perhaps a peering problem - where a backbone carrier will agree to carry the traffic of some ISPs, but not others.

Could be some left over infected DNS servers out there pointing people to the wrong places I suppose.
3666) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (76) Server Problems? (Message 1262280)
Posted 19 Jul 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thanks for the info. I can resolve boinc.berkeley.edu but not things in the ssl.berkeley.edu domain. There must be some issues with our corporate external DNS servers.

It looks like the dns for the ssl might be having issues. Could be your upstream is looking at the ssl dns instead of the root berkeley one I suppose.
> server ns1.berkeley.edu
Default Server:  ns1.berkeley.edu
Addresses:  128.32.136.9
          128.32.206.9

> boinc2.ssl.berkeley.edu
Server:  ns1.berkeley.edu
Addresses:  128.32.136.9
          128.32.206.9

Name:    boinc2.ssl.berkeley.edu
Addresses:  208.68.240.18
          208.68.240.13

> server ns1.ssl.berkeley.edu
Default Server:  ns1.ssl.berkeley.edu
Addresses:  128.32.147.7
          128.32.13.7

> boinc2.ssl.berkeley.edu
Server:  ns1.ssl.berkeley.edu
Addresses:  128.32.147.7
          128.32.13.7

*** ns1.ssl.berkeley.edu can't find boinc2.ssl.berkeley.edu: Query refused
>
3667) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (76) Server Problems? (Message 1262267)
Posted 19 Jul 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Is anyone else getting errors try to resolve boinc2.ssl.berkeley.edu.
I can resolve the domain but not the server boinc2.

No issues here.
c:\>nslookup boinc2.ssl.berkeley.edu
Server:  ns1.labnet
Address:  192.168.105.31

Non-authoritative answer:
Name:    boinc2.ssl.berkeley.edu
Addresses:  208.68.240.18
          208.68.240.13


Does that box forward to a public DNS & have you tried a lookup on an upstream server?
3668) Message boards : Number crunching : To Many ERRORS (Message 1262240)
Posted 19 Jul 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
From your tasks it is still occurring with 12.2 or 12.3 that you downgraded to.

If you are running more than 1 task at a time I would guess that could be the issue. If you were running 3 at a time and 2 VLAR hit at the same time as a VHAR the slow down caused by the VLAR's could make the VHAR run to long.

If that is occurring then assigning tasks a value for their load or such would be a good idea. Where normal tasks would be a load of 1.0 and then VLAR's might have a rating of a value greater than 1.0 such as 1.1-1.5. Then the max load value could be assigned per processing device.
3669) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows 8 Release Preview now available (Message 1262194)
Posted 19 Jul 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I tried to instal it as a virtualbox "guest" OS. Unfortunately my Lappie doesn't have VT-x or VT-i support so can't run it via vbox.

I'll start by saying I have NOT used Win8, not even within Vbox, BUT: I'm curious, you shouldn't need VT-x at all. All you should need to do is enable IO-APIC for 64-bit support before you begin to install the OS. I would think...


I can run XP and Linux Mint 13 within vbox, but the win8 preview fails to install. When the vbox first starts it it comes up with a popup complaining about vt-x support, if you continue past that the install fails after a few minutes of copying files. I have done this 3 times, so in the end just nuked the virtual machine.

At work we found the Release Preview requires the CPU, or virtual CPU, to support NX bit.
3670) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows Licensing, virtual machines. (Message 1262193)
Posted 19 Jul 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I copied this paragraph directly from the Microsoft license of my Windows 7 machine. The installed system is an OEM package legally purchased with hardware.
a. One Copy per Computer. The software license is permanently assigned to the computer with which the software is distributed. That computer is the “licensed computer.”
...
d. Use with Virtualization Technologies. Instead of using the software directly on the licensed computer, you may install and use the software within only one virtual (or otherwise emulated) hardware system on the licensed computer. When used in a virtualized environment, content protected by digital rights management technology, BitLocker or any full volume disk drive encryption technology may not be as secure as protected content not in a virtualized environment. You should comply with all domestic and international laws that apply to such protected content.

I have another machine that came with Windows 7 installed. I removed Windows 7, installed Fedora 15 on the bare metal, then installed Windows 7 in a VirtualBox VM. This configuration has been running for well over a year without issues of any sort. Windows update runs as expected. The license verifications occasionally delivered in Windows Update have never reported a problem. I honestly don't remember having to call to activate the reinstalled Windows 7.

Thank you!. That basically seals the deal for me, sounds like its allowed. Lucky for Microsoft because if it wasn't allowed I just was going to cease using their OS at all. At least this way they can keep me on board.

It is good to know that they don't balk at moving the OS into a VM on the machine. The whole activation stuff can be very annoying at times.

Also unlike Vista, Windows 7 doesn't lock itself down if you don't activate it. It just disabled to use of automatic updates. So you really have an unlimited time to evaluate it.

3671) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Help.... I messed something up. (Message 1261933)
Posted 18 Jul 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I still say make it an option if you want to use a netbook or smartphone. Leave it the way it was for the rest of us.

Are you not already using newest first in that case? I do agree it should at the very least be a toggle.
3672) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows Licensing, virtual machines. (Message 1261931)
Posted 18 Jul 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
You could always just make an imagine with something like ghost or true image and then load that into your VM. I have done that on numerous occasions. You will just need to have the VM boot to the disc and do a repair to fix the boot stuff. Unless you want to do it form a command line, but I don't remember how to do that off the top of my head any longer. As I have RE on an old flash drive I boot to in order to repair vista/7/2008/r2 installations.
3673) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows Licensing, virtual machines. (Message 1261889)
Posted 18 Jul 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Since you will be running the OS on the same machine it came on I don't see how that is an issue. You are just reinstalling it in a new configuration.


This is what I'm hoping for.

I think I'll just have to try to install it and activate it in a virtual machine. I'll prepare to remove my hard install in the event the virtual machine works, and then I wouldn't be breaking any rules as long as I wipe out the hard install without booting it, once the VM is activated.

I probably won't do anything with this until Sunday, I'll update on how it goes.

You may have to call to activate it instead of being able to do it automatically through the internet. I've had instances where reconfiguring the BIOS tripped the activation flag.
3674) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows Licensing, virtual machines. (Message 1261877)
Posted 18 Jul 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
We asked MS that question at work. They indicated that each running simultaneous instance would need to have its own license.

Correct, exactly what I said.

BUT
My question pertains to a license that only allows that Windows to run on the machine it was sold on.

I would be removing my hard installation, and ONLY run as a Virtual Machine.
I would not be using one license for two installs, you cannot do this now nor could you ever, legally.

I am not trying to duplicate my install, simply re-install in a virtual machine, which is the curious part, as a virtual machine technically could be considered as NOT the machine the license is for..

So...?

MS is pretty loose with their OEM license actually. IF you were to purchase a hard drive or CPU from a vendor you legally qualify to purchase the OEM version of the OS.

Since you will be running the OS on the same machine it came on I don't see how that is an issue. You are just reinstalling it in a new configuration.
3675) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows Licensing, virtual machines. (Message 1261859)
Posted 18 Jul 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
We asked MS that question at work. They indicated that each running simultaneous instance would need to have its own license.
3676) Message boards : Number crunching : Lingering task(s) - a vintage collection? (Message 1261831)
Posted 18 Jul 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
They are also noticeable when you have error or invalid tasks that get stuck in this state.

Tasks are purged from the user about 24 hours once they are flagged as valid or to many errors. The issue probably has to do with the flag not getting set correctly.
3677) Message boards : Number crunching : Lingering task(s) - a vintage collection? (Message 1261810)
Posted 18 Jul 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have a few of these stuck tasks as well. I imagine whatever issue was effecting the stuck AP tasks also occurs with MB tasks. With the high volume of MB work it is hard to tell from the status page if there are a load of stuck tasks. Like it was possible to do with AP tasks.
3678) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows 8 Release Preview now available (Message 1261808)
Posted 18 Jul 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

Indeed
3679) Message boards : Number crunching : Has anybody else noticed the change to the message boards? (Message 1261806)
Posted 18 Jul 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

There is another bug:
OK: When I click on a thread to read it the "Sort" is "Oldest first" (as I set in my "Community preferences")
BAD: After I post the "Sort" becomes "Newest first" which makes me curse ;)

That isn't a bug as such. In that they changed the operation. Not for the better I'd say.

I'd call it a bug.
You've got the option to set it the way you want. It is set the way you want. But once you post, it changes to a different setting.
Definately a bug.

A bug is an unintended operation. They changed it to operate this way. So it is poor useability instead of a bug.
3680) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Help.... I messed something up. (Message 1261804)
Posted 18 Jul 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I read books from the top of the page to the bottom,
So why do i have to read forums from the bottom to the top.
Cos if i set it to `top down` it keeps resetting to `bottoms up`

Only very temporarily after you post. Go back a couple of pages and it will be OK again.

To me a setting that will not stay set is a bug.
I wunder when thoes that fixed somthing that wasnt broke will get around to fixing somthing that now is broke :(

edit#1 - Having to go back and forth through pages to get the sort order reset is buging me.
edit#2 - Except when i posted edit#1 it took me all the way back to the begining of this thread, page one, though the sort order was correctly `top down`
edit#3 - Yup ,did it again with edit#2, All i can say is ?*&% @ "£$% & ^&*~ bug

I'm not sure why anyone would want it to work like it does. If you want newest posts first you want them first and if you want oldest posts first you want them first. Not to change when you post a message.
Also the functionality with showing ignored posts is still broken. So I wouldn't hold your breath on it going back to working correctly.
3681) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Help.... I messed something up. (Message 1261527)
Posted 17 Jul 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
"I'm sorry, Dave. I'm afraid I can't let you do that."

Sometimes i wish it where possible to say that to `our` Dave` . . . .

+1
3682) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Help.... I messed something up. (Message 1261523)
Posted 17 Jul 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Didn't you get the memo about the new cover page for the TPS reports?

LOL. "I'm gonna need you to go ahead and deal with the changes, that would be great, thanks."

"I'm sorry, Dave. I'm afraid I can't do that."

"OPEN UP THE POD BAY DOORS HAL!"
[Btw HAL!, how long have you waited to say that to a 'Dave', lmao!]

I do so every chance I get. About 13 years ago one of my external beta sites was owned by a guy named Dave. So I had the developer add that sound clip to the software whenever he preformed a specific function. As the developer and I left that company around the same time I imagine it may still be in there.
3683) Message boards : Number crunching : Has anybody else noticed the change to the message boards? (Message 1261512)
Posted 17 Jul 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

There is another bug:
OK: When I click on a thread to read it the "Sort" is "Oldest first" (as I set in my "Community preferences")
BAD: After I post the "Sort" becomes "Newest first" which makes me curse ;)

That isn't a bug as such. In that they changed the operation. Not for the better I'd say.

See Help.... I messed something up. for more details.
3684) Message boards : Number crunching : Boards like treacle? (Message 1261242)
Posted 16 Jul 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Perhaps I'm just used to Scottish broadband speeds!

Hiyah Area 51 Esq. I have BT Infinity at 40+ Mbs download, and still get the problem. Should I be pouring the scotch in the router or the DVD tray?

I think you misspelled something there. We spell it M O U T H over here. ;)

There was some intermittent slowness, but I think that had more to do with them reconfiguring the message board. Everything is working on my end.
3685) Message boards : Number crunching : No work (Message 1261239)
Posted 16 Jul 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I did have 1 download error last week... Otherwise my transfer queues are pretty clean with speeds around 130k.
3686) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Help.... I messed something up. (Message 1261210)
Posted 16 Jul 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Didn't you get the memo about the new cover page for the TPS reports?


LOL. "I'm gonna need you to go ahead and deal with the changes, that would be great, thanks."

"I'm sorry, Dave. I'm afraid I can't do that."
3687) Message boards : Number crunching : Only 5 minute window to calculate result (Message 1261130)
Posted 16 Jul 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have understood the vlar situation for some time. It looks like something similar can happen to an AP unit.

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/result.php?resultid=2518170842

Steve

I wonder what logic caused that to occur.

Joe Segur reckoned that it was likely to be because most users don't have a CUDA application for processing resent AP tasks - see message 1206677.

That does seem to fit. With the low volume of AP work I suppose that would explain why this hasn't been observed before, or possibly very often.
3688) Message boards : Number crunching : Only 5 minute window to calculate result (Message 1261102)
Posted 16 Jul 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have understood the vlar situation for some time. It looks like something similar can happen to an AP unit.

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/result.php?resultid=2518170842

Steve

I wonder what logic caused that to occur.
3689) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Help.... I messed something up. (Message 1261094)
Posted 16 Jul 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Changes are good, I just don't like the wham, bam thank you Mam appoach.

I think we have consensus on that.

I feel like it was just dumped on US... :| I didn't know We were in the blast radius... ;)

That is exactly the point.

No warning, no explanation, just BOOM - change happens.

That is just the way they roll. Didn't you get the memo about the new cover page for the TPS reports?

Also changing the sort order after making a post, if the user has oldest first specified, is very confusing. It is sort of like the way a door opening changing each time you go through it and I don't mean one of those double hinged doors. Such as the ones you see used in food service areas.
3690) Message boards : Number crunching : 2 cuda questions? (Message 1259977)
Posted 13 Jul 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
This one ran fine for about a year and began to slow down about a month ago. The time on some work units is great, 2 to 15 minutes but others take nearly 2 hours.

It looks like several, if not all, of the tasks that are running hours are coming up inconclusive as well.
3691) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows 8 Release Preview now available (Message 1259876)
Posted 13 Jul 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
My monitor is normally further away than my arms are long anyway.

Exactly. It will only work with tablets and the like, and who wants one of them unless you are a show off or a nerd, or have too much money ....


LOL... just a couple of years ago, I thought that LCD/Plasma monitors will never make it to my desktop: Its only worth for notebooks, Ive said, you cant see well if you are not at the right angle and they are awfully expensive.

Well... You know... My TRC died, and the LCD was cheaper than fixing it...

Now that we have touch screen the next step is speech recognition, I mean true recognition not just command recognition... "Computer, where are my glasses?" :D

You were saying that just a couple of years ago? I've been using a LCD monitor for around 8 years or so. Wow, It might be time to get a new one...

Speech recognition is pretty good these days. I can ask my, 2 year old, phone "where are my pants" and it retrieves a list of tailor shops in the area. The newer logic software such as Siri does a lot better job in understanding concepts.
3692) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Help.... I messed something up. (Message 1259874)
Posted 13 Jul 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Have you actually tried to browse the forums on your phone? My home internet has been out for two days and it is the only way I have been able to reach the forums. Your suggestion is not a workable solution.

No. My phone doesn't know anything about Internet. Reading your later post, yes, the only option for you is to get the threads in smaller pieces. And that suggestion was not meant as a solution for everybody even if I may have worded it like that. Just something someone might find useful.

I'm not against this change. I'm also not against the old version. Both versions appear have their pros and cons. For me either one works.

I was just doing some testing on my phone with the forums.

		Desktop		Mobile
Cafe thread list
		~1 second	~6 seconds
Word Link # 31 with ~550 posts
		~3 second	~15 seconds

For a fast mobile device it seems to be OK. However with slower or waning connections that 15 seconds would probably turn into something terrible.
These are my settings. Using 1 for checked & 0 for unchecked.
What to display
	0 Hide avatar images
	0 Hide signatures
	0 Show images as links
	1 Open links in new window/tab
	1 Highlight special users
	10000 Display this many messages per page
How to sort
	Threads: Newest posts first
	Posts: Oldest first
	1 Jump to first new post in thread automatically
	1 Don't move sticky posts to top
3693) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Do we need to create continuing threads anymore? (Message 1259856)
Posted 13 Jul 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Well its going to be a pain for when you have to copy and paste the winning captions for the caption contest.

+1!

+1
+1
+1
+3
3694) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows 8 Release Preview now available (Message 1259837)
Posted 13 Jul 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I am a mouse clicky drop down menue type.
or even a keyboard and tab driven system.
Not a multitouch finger likin thingy in the house.
Baa humbug,
new fangled teckno geekery :¬)


Thank god for that, I thought I was on my own there for a minute. Right, let's start a revolution here and now. I propose a new international organisation, dedicated to opposing new MS versions of Windows. We will have the Campaign motto "Bugger off latest limp over crappy klutz system"

I think you can all see what our letter heading and logo will be. So folks, let it start here!

I don't mind touch input when it can be useful or faster than other forms of input. However, I don't see the desktop as being one of them. My monitor is normally further away than my arms are long anyway.
3695) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Help.... I messed something up. (Message 1259818)
Posted 13 Jul 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Nobody actually uses the forums at Beta. This makes developing there a bit difficult.

In any case, we have been discussing the problems by email with DA. He has been responsive to problem reports.

I can't tell whether the new forums are more responsive or not. They certainly feel more responsive, but the change over coincided precisely with an upgrade in internet speed at my house.


I am going to guess it is just your new connection. They seem the same to me. With intermittent bursts of sluggishness.Possibly from changes that were on going or from random bots slamming the server again. Over the past few days, at work, I've had pages time out or take much longer to load than normal.

If you have been passing on the issues we have been listing. Thanks for that.

Bug fixes first. Then we can hound him to implement the other things to make it more user friendly!

I was not the person passing on the issues. However, they have been passed on.

There are a few, that I'm aware of, that take their time to convey information back and forth & I'm sure everyone appreciates it.
3696) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Help.... I messed something up. (Message 1259672)
Posted 13 Jul 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Nobody actually uses the forums at Beta. This makes developing there a bit difficult.

In any case, we have been discussing the problems by email with DA. He has been responsive to problem reports.

I can't tell whether the new forums are more responsive or not. They certainly feel more responsive, but the change over coincided precisely with an upgrade in internet speed at my house.


I am going to guess it is just your new connection. They seem the same to me. With intermittent bursts of sluggishness.Possibly from changes that were on going or from random bots slamming the server again. Over the past few days, at work, I've had pages time out or take much longer to load than normal.

If you have been passing on the issues we have been listing. Thanks for that.

Bug fixes first. Then we can hound him to implement the other things to make it more user friendly!
3697) Message boards : Number crunching : Has anybody else noticed the change to the message boards? (Message 1259664)
Posted 13 Jul 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I think what you want can already be done by showing the newest post first.
Community preferences
How to sort
	Posts:
		Oldest first
		Newest first
		Highest rated posts first

I have no idea what "Highest rated posts first" does or is suppose to do.

Once upon a time, these message boards had a system where you could click a + or - under a post (next to the red-x) to show what you thought of a post. People used it to vote up their friends, and vote down everybody else, irrespective of what either group actually wrote. It got switched off.

Maybe they could snip that out while they are in there mucking with the works.

I believe it is still active on some projects.

If the feature is disabled. Disabling all of it is always good.
3698) Message boards : Number crunching : Microsofts Skydrive (Message 1259582)
Posted 12 Jul 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Cloud is really just the latest buzz work for the internet.

With "cloud services" there are several advantages when it comes to prevent data loss. Normally such a company has the data stored on redundant arrays. They may also use multiple redundant storage system in multiple locations. Along with multiple redundant internet and power connections.

The disadvantages stack up when your internet connection is interrupted, there is a problem accessing your account, or they discontinue their service. Along with the legal issues of who owns the data on their servers.

Right now I see them as OK for storing data as an offsite backup.
3699) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Help.... I messed something up. (Message 1259579)
Posted 12 Jul 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Looks like someone is working on things again. At the moment "Jump to first new post" is now broken another way.
    "Jump to first new post in thread automatically"
    The user is directed to the page with the newest post. Not the newest post itself. If there is only 1 page the behavior is the same in that the user is not directed to the newest post either.



EDIT: The work around to fix that is to set 1 post per page.


Looks like this may be fixed and working in all situations as of now.

Edit: I find the jump to first new post is working & posted are loaded as expected now. Yay!
Hopefully the other broken feature I listed in my previous post gets fixed. If we are lucky they may even add the feature to see all posts in reply/quoting.

Yes jump to unread posts works again. I've tried 15 posts per page in setting, and forum jumps to the correct post and not to page 1 as it did in the start.

Had the initial change been like this then it wouldn't have been so bad, or if the changes were implemented else ware first. Such as on beta or the BOINC forum first to work out the bugs. Maybe that wasn't possible. It could be that all 3 are using the same code with just different user databases.

With the other feature still broken I am still going keep displayed message high enough to prevent pagination at this time.
3700) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Help.... I messed something up. (Message 1259567)
Posted 12 Jul 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Looks like someone is working on things again. At the moment "Jump to first new post" is now broken another way.
    "Jump to first new post in thread automatically"
    The user is directed to the page with the newest post. Not the newest post itself. If there is only 1 page the behavior is the same in that the user is not directed to the newest post either.



EDIT: The work around to fix that is to set 1 post per page.


Looks like this may be fixed and working in all situations as of now.

Edit: I find the jump to first new post is working & posted are loaded as expected now. Yay!
Hopefully the other broken feature I listed in my previous post gets fixed. If we are lucky they may even add the feature to see all posts in reply/quoting.
3701) Message boards : Number crunching : Has anybody else noticed the change to the message boards? (Message 1259560)
Posted 12 Jul 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I think what you want can already be done by showing the newest post first.
Community preferences
How to sort
	Posts:
		Oldest first
		Newest first
		Highest rated posts first

I have no idea what "Highest rated posts first" does or is suppose to do.

Once upon a time, these message boards had a system where you could click a + or - under a post (next to the red-x) to show what you thought of a post. People used it to vote up their friends, and vote down everybody else, irrespective of what either group actually wrote. It got switched off.

Maybe they could snip that out while they are in there mucking with the works.
3702) Message boards : Number crunching : Has anybody else noticed the change to the message boards? (Message 1259553)
Posted 12 Jul 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
What now? Forum doesn't jump to the last unread post anymore, I've selected 750 posts per page. It worked until just now...

Yeah, that is what I mentioned in the other thread.

EDIT: The work around to fix that is to set 1 post per page.
EDIT: It seems this is working correctly now.
3703) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Help.... I messed something up. (Message 1259544)
Posted 12 Jul 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Looks like someone is working on things again. At the moment "Jump to first new post" is now broken another way.
    "Jump to first new post in thread automatically"
    The user is directed to the page with the newest post. Not the newest post itself. If there is only 1 page the behavior is the same in that the user is not directed to the newest post either.



EDIT: The work around to fix that is to set 1 post per page.

3704) Message boards : Number crunching : Has anybody else noticed the change to the message boards? (Message 1259535)
Posted 12 Jul 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
So now we need a choice of "Newest Page First" then a choice
of "Oldest Post on Page Last" to get the same results as before the
"Improvements?

I think what you want can already be done by showing the newest post first.
Community preferences
How to sort
	Posts:
		Oldest first
		Newest first
		Highest rated posts first

I have no idea what "Highest rated posts first" does or is suppose to do.
3705) Message boards : Number crunching : Back to the Future? (Message 1259532)
Posted 12 Jul 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
If you feel really strongly about it. You can make your case to the project admins. A command could be added to display time using the browsers UTC off-set.

No need. The option is already there in the forum software, and has been there since 8 weeks ago, where the project can choose to set TIMEZONE in /boinc/html/inc/util.inc which then shows all times in the TIMEZONE's time. And when not set, the time is UTC.

As for why the original forum software shows all times in UTC, here's what David Anderson has to say about it: If each project showed times in its own timezone,
volunteers wanting to convert times to their own timezone would have a hard time - there would be different offsets for different projects. By showing times in UTC, the offset is always the same.


That is actually not what I was referring to at all. That sets the time displayed on web pages based whatever the admin sets.

I was referring to dynamic code that takes the off-set supplied by the browser and then adds it to the UTC value to display the user's set time. Which Joe also mentioned and added another good reason not to such a feature.
3706) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Help.... I messed something up. (Message 1259444)
Posted 12 Jul 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
My personal opinion is that deep quoting (as exhibited by Vic, blank and a few others) is a grade one pain, and should be banned on all forum.

So post length enforcement? Some forums have that.

One option is having a selection for the user to specify n lines per post. With a "click to read more" option.

Another option could be a check box for "Don't display quotes in posts"
With that I imagine some would want options to not display [code] and [pre] text as well.

I personally liked how things were displayed before. So if I was away for a few days and a thread had a lot of posts. I would see them all when I returned. I found that much more user friendly than pages. Which are the norm across most forums I have used.

If we have to live with pages then hopefully they will fix the other features which have been broken by this implementation.
Such as:
    "Jump to first new post in thread automatically"
    The first page is opened instead of directing the user to the page with the last post since they read the thread.


    "This post is not shown because the sender is on your 'ignore' list. Click here to view this post".
    Selecting click here takes the user to the first page of the thread & once they return to the page with the hidden post it is still hidden.


    Addition of an option "See whole thread when quoting"

3707) Message boards : Number crunching : Computer time changed to 2015 - can tasks be salvaged? (Message 1259424)
Posted 12 Jul 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I did a test setting my clock up to 2019.

I set the clock back to the correct time and made these changes.
Original value						Changed value
<exit_status>-233</exit_status>				<exit_status>0</exit_status>
<state>6</state>					<state>2</state>
<ready_to_report/>
<completed_time>1577810516.798498</completed_time>	<completed_time>0</completed_time>

Since BOINC flagged all of the tasks at the same time the value in <completed_time> was the same for all of them. I could see some variance for thousands of tasks getting flagged. Once BOINC was started it removed <completed_time>0</completed_time>.

Edit: I see you already got to this point. Yay!
3708) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Help.... I messed something up. (Message 1259412)
Posted 12 Jul 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The way the preference was implemented previously, if you hadn't visited the forums in a week and a particular post had 100 new entries, even if you had the "display only X" set to 35, you would still have to wait for the entire page to load because it would still show all 100 new posts.

I actually liked that feature. Every now and then some thread in Number Crunching would grow over night with more new posts than I had set the display only X setting.

Clicking the Show all posts or whatever it is called forgets which ones I had not read previously so that was inconvenient if I did want to read all the new posts.


Yes, I'm aware of the usefulness of the feature. I mentioned the number 35 specifically because that is what I had my preference set to.

With this change, people on slow mobile connections can at least change the number to something meaningful and only have to load X many posts per page without having to wait forever.

There is easy workaround for that. Just open a new tab for each thread you want to read. Threads will then load nicely in background. I'm doing that right now even though my Internet connection is far from slow.


Have you actually tried to browse the forums on your phone? My home internet has been out for two days and it is the only way I have been able to reach the forums. Your suggestion is not a workable solution.


My phones browser doesn't support tabs either. Which I normally use when reading the forums.

I have used my phone to read things before and didn't have any issues, but t-mobile does seems to have good coverage in my area. Also my phone has an actually keyboard so it makes typing quite a lot easier for me.
3709) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Help.... I messed something up. (Message 1259403)
Posted 12 Jul 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I don't like this at all. Nothing was broken before. I like to see the original OPs post and just read the posts I haven't looked at before.
This doesn't help us Mods one bit.
Has someone alerted Mr DA to this thread?

Feel free to PM him.
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/show_user.php?userid=432107
Or on BOINC
http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dev/show_user.php?userid=138

I leave it as an exercise to find his e-mail addy on the staff page.

Gary he makes changes. Does he read our input? That was my question.
As long as I don't see him posting here, I take the answer as NO.

If he read the book on UI design, he would see what he did wrong ...
What is needed is a tick box for what device/connection you are reading on, desktop w/ high speed, desktop on dialup, mobile platform ... Or maybe even better have different addresses to come into the forum software that sets appropriate defaults. Of course offer an advanced settings that exposes all the switches so a user can set his experience as he chooses.

In order to accommodate users with intermittent/slow connections adding an option "display threads as pages" or something to that effect would have been a much more elegant solution.

As an end user. I get the feeling that things are not about giving users choices or making things easier to use. A direction is selected and they continue on that path no matter what. Sort of "Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead".

I wonder what the other project admins will think about this change & if it will effect their decision to upgrade their software in the future.
3710) Message boards : Number crunching : Back to the Future? (Message 1259387)
Posted 12 Jul 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Personally I never had a problem figuring out time based on my offset. Even back when I was a little kid in the 80's. I grew up in UTC -6/-5 and now I live in UTC -5/-4. Subtracting 4 or 5 from the displayed time doesn't cause me any grief.

If you feel really strongly about it. You can make your case to the project admins. A command could be added to display time using the browsers UTC off-set. I'm not sure about PHP, but there are a few javascript command I know of that could be used for such a purpose.

However, that could play hell with the people that track the status page information as well as everyone else.
3711) Message boards : Number crunching : Has anybody else noticed the change to the message boards? (Message 1259384)
Posted 12 Jul 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
... request that the forum software should get pages instead of "show only post one and the last X amount in the thread". Because his internet is so darn slow that it couldn't do with that feature. ...

Note the "intermittent" is likely more significant than the "slow".

The other issue is that of how big is the bulk of data needed to display a page.

Last N posts and paging are both good options if well done. I found the "last N pages" feature to work very well. The present paging is far too cumbersome and requires too many clicks to navigate through.

A selection between the two would be a good idea.

An even better idea is to offer a streamlined low data sized view for mobile devices and intermittent connections.


I'd guess the biggest bulk is from the remote download of signature links... Is there an option to defang remote links?

Keep searchin',
Martin

Do you mean options such as these.
What to display:
Hide avatar images
Hide signatures
Show images as links
3712) Message boards : Number crunching : Computer time changed to 2015 - can tasks be salvaged? (Message 1259377)
Posted 12 Jul 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have never had to open sched_request_setiathome.berkeley.edu.xml to fix anything.

In the past when a task got messed up I just deleted the offending tasks from the client_state.xml and then got them again as resends. Normally this would only be a few instead of thousands so it wasn't that much work editing the client_state.xml.

To remove a task you have to delete all the various sections for the task. Each task will have 2 <file_info>, 1 <workunit>, 1 <result>, and maybe an <active_task> section.

Once all the entries for a task are removed and BOINC is started it doesn't know anything about that task. The server will still have the task assigned to the machine and flagged as "In progress". So the next time the machine calls home the server will send any missing tasks to the machine as resends.
3713) Message boards : Number crunching : Computer time changed to 2015 - can tasks be salvaged? (Message 1259356)
Posted 12 Jul 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I've tested with two tasks, and after they were reported, they were not re-sent but marked as "Not started by deadline - canceled", just as I thought.

This means it's imperative I get instructions on how to reset local status to "ready to start" - otherwise 7200 tasks are lost!


Yes, if tasks get reported that is the end of them for your machine. Sorry about it taking me so long to get back with the correct information since it seems you have now lost the tasks. However I'll give you the information in the event you need it in the future.

The area you want to focus on would be in the <result> section for each task.

This is what a task looks like when it is running or ready to run.
<result>
    <name>13fe12ac.4694.251002.10.10.36.vlar_1</name>
    <final_cpu_time>0.000000</final_cpu_time>
    <final_elapsed_time>0.000000</final_elapsed_time>
    <exit_status>0</exit_status>
    <state>2</state>
    <platform>windows_intelx86</platform>
    <version_num>603</version_num>
    <fpops_cumulative>106168900000000.000000</fpops_cumulative>
    <wu_name>13fe12ac.4694.251002.10.10.36.vlar</wu_name>
    <report_deadline>1345344168.000000</report_deadline>
    <received_time>1341326172.390856</received_time>
    <file_ref>
        <file_name>13fe12ac.4694.251002.10.10.36.vlar_1_0</file_name>
        <open_name>result.sah</open_name>
    </file_ref>
</result>


This is what a task looks like when it is complete and ready to upload.
<result>
    <name>13fe12ac.4694.251002.10.10.36.vlar_1</name>
    <final_cpu_time>10167.680000</final_cpu_time>
    <final_elapsed_time>10169.876263</final_elapsed_time>
    <exit_status>0</exit_status>
    <state>4</state>
    <platform>windows_intelx86</platform>
    <version_num>603</version_num>
    <fpops_cumulative>110539700000000.000000</fpops_cumulative>
<stderr_out>
<![CDATA[
<stderr_txt>
Windows optimized S@H Enhanced application by Alex Kan

Version info: v8b2-SSSE3x (Intel, Core 2-optimized v8-nographics) V5.13 by Alex Kan

SSSE3x Win64 Build 386 , Ported by : Jason G, Raistmer, JDWhale



     CPUID: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7 CPU         860  @ 2.80GHz 

     Speed: 4 x 2788 MHz 

     Cache: L1=64K L2=256K

  Features: MMX SSE SSE2 SSE3 SSSE3 

 

Work Unit Info:

...............

Credit multiplier is :  2.85

WU true angle range is :  0.010188



Flopcounter: 38780872794358.703000



Spike count:    11

Pulse count:    6

Triplet count:  1

Gaussian count: 0

called boinc_finish

boinc_exit(): requesting safe worker shutdown ->

boinc_exit(): received safe worker shutdown acknowledge ->


</stderr_txt>
]]>
</stderr_out>
    <wu_name>13fe12ac.4694.251002.10.10.36.vlar</wu_name>
    <report_deadline>1345344168.000000</report_deadline>
    <received_time>1341326172.390856</received_time>
    <file_ref>
        <file_name>13fe12ac.4694.251002.10.10.36.vlar_1_0</file_name>
        <open_name>result.sah</open_name>
    </file_ref>
</result>


So ideally you want to want to remove the <stderr_out></stderr_out> section as well as change the state. I'm not sure what happens if you leave stderr_out in place. BOINC might clean or it might add a 2nd one once you complete the task. For a task in an error state it should be much shorter.
As BilBg stated you want the result state to be 2. In my example you will see it is 4 as it is in an upload state. Ready to report would be 5.
3714) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows 8 Release Preview now available (Message 1259346)
Posted 12 Jul 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I'll let you know first week of August....that's if MS sticks to their schedule. Got Win 7 at the end of July prior to it's release that October.

Now if we got the start button & classic layout for the desktop & control panel....I might be tempted to install it on my network......

.....& if wishes were horses, I'd be Pegasus!


You can have them back with this: classic Shell


Made your link active.

Already tried several, but some were buggy, others not up to scratch. Will try that one out at the weekend.

I had tried that with one of the first two releases, but was no go. However it looks like their newest version is suppose to work in Windows 8. So that is good. I find the new start screen to be much slower for what I want to do. As I prefer the quick launch to pinned items in my task bar it wasn't completely awful. Except for it not going directly to the desktop on start up. Hopefully that can be fixed as well be a setting or software.
3715) Message boards : Number crunching : Oh where oh where did my little green star go? (Message 1259345)
Posted 12 Jul 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Welp, I don't clearly remember the one year thing. I'm pretty sure I went 2-3 years once without donating but kept a star. Maybe at some point the stars didn't turn off due to some sort of bug?

Makes sense to turn them off in a year IMHO, unless the donation is of rather significant size - which mine have not been.

But in any case, I shook loose a few dollars and found my star again :)

I seem to recall that for a time the automated system was broken. So it could have been the reason your star stuck for an extended period.

Personally I prefer to make donations anonymously. Unless I am somewhere like petsmart where I do in through their payment pad when I am checking out.
3716) Message boards : Number crunching : Computer time changed to 2015 - can tasks be salvaged? (Message 1259180)
Posted 12 Jul 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thanks for your quick response!

I have already checked in client_state.xml, but did not find any indication of aborted status, but I was too quick apparently.

What flag or value do I need to change - is it the <status>1</status> ?

BTW: I though my tasks would be resent to random hosts and not my host in this case (as this indicates a "bad host", as opposed to bulk deletion of tasks due to missing or incorrect entries in app_info.xml).

I don't have a machine around that is running work to look at right now, but IIRC <status>1</status> is fine. Normally if I can't find out what is going on in the client_info file.xml I compare it to one of my other machines.

As long as the tasks assigned to your machine as marked as "In progress" on the server they can be resent to you. That isn't the best option as downloading hundreds of tasks is no fun.
3717) Message boards : Number crunching : Computer time changed to 2015 - can tasks be salvaged? (Message 1259169)
Posted 11 Jul 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Until your machines contacts the server and actually reports them as aborted you can save them. It will require that you edit your client_state.xml file manually. and change the information for each tasks. Another option would be editing the file removing the tasks. Then your machine would download them again as resends.

Either way is a total pain.
3718) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (76) Server Problems? (Message 1259104)
Posted 11 Jul 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Work will soon flow again. Splitters running and all databases too.

I started getting work requests filled with more than 1 or 2 about 10 minutes ago. Granted they have only been 10 or 12.
3719) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Help.... I messed something up. (Message 1259099)
Posted 11 Jul 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Someone is having "fun" with the board just now.
Previously when typing in the reply box you could drop out of the box and scan to the post you were answering, now you have to change windows to do it. I'm not sure that is an improvement as we will see more "quote and reply" type posts - even when replying to the preceding post

I was noticing that as well. I normally do quote for my reply's. However, I was thinking that you would see more than just the single post you were replying to.
3720) Message boards : Number crunching : BOINC is bad at math, reason why some people can't keep a full cache? (Message 1259098)
Posted 11 Jul 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The object here was to test the "estimated total NVIDIA task duration" nothing more.

There was a discussion a couple of months ago on boinc_alpha which touched on this.

Actually, all these quantities reflect average availability
(on_frac*active_frac, or on_frac*gpu_active_frac in the case of GPUs),
except for "estimated total NVIDIA task duration"
which (confusingly) doesn't; I fixed this.

A request for 327854 seconds of NVIDIA jobs means we want enough jobs
so that their estimated wall time is at least 327854 seconds.
In this case the estimated wall time per job was about 105000 seconds,
so the scheduler sent 4 of them.

-- David

Note that the debug messages (including 'NVIDIA task duration' in the latest BOINC clients) have that correction to wall time, but the runtime estimates displayed by BOINC Manager don't. So, if a task actually takes one hour to run, but is only active 50% of the time, the interval between 'start' and 'finish' will be two hours - and the 'NVIDIA task duration' will need to be 7200 seconds to calculate cache size correctly.


I had forgotten about the duration values. I guess we would need to get Wembley to look at his client_state for them.

If the values looked like this then it should explain what he was seeing.
<on_frac>1</on_frac>
<connected_frac>1</connected_frac>
<active_frac>1</active_frac>
<gpu_active_frac>0.292682</gpu_active_frac>
3721) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Help.... I messed something up. (Message 1259088)
Posted 11 Jul 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
snip

Problem gone, until there is a thread with more than 1000 posts.


Not a problem if all OP's have their threads locked between 350 & 500 posts & continue with a second thread etc.

I actually set mine to 10000. I tried to find a thread with more than 1000 posts to test this, but the max I found was in the 900 range.
EDIT: The Topic page selections just disappear?
3722) Message boards : Number crunching : BOINC is bad at math, reason why some people can't keep a full cache? (Message 1259080)
Posted 11 Jul 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
It was a new instance of BOINC and I had just attached to PrimeGrid. Asking for 1 second of work for the initial request is normal.

If you have a project as a backup project, resource share 0, BOINC will only ask the backup project for work to keep idle devices busy. Instead of building up a cache on the other project.

The object here was to test the "estimated total NVIDIA task duration" nothing more.
3723) Message boards : Number crunching : Has anybody else noticed the change to the message boards? (Message 1259079)
Posted 11 Jul 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The forum software doesn't seem to want to collapse old messages anymore. It also doesn't go to the first new post. You have to keep going to the next page until you see something posted today. Very annoying.

We have.
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=68636&nowrap=true#1258903
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=68729
3724) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Help.... I messed something up. (Message 1259070)
Posted 11 Jul 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Oh my, oh my, that was not an improvement. Until it's changed back to the old style, I've set my community prefs to "1000 Display this many messages per page".

Problem gone, until there is a thread with more than 1000 posts.


you are a true gent...just done that & that "pesky" next 75 posts button has disappeared.... :)

That does seem to be the work around unless they decide to implement the rest of the features that a standard paged message board uses.
for reference
3725) Message boards : Number crunching : BOINC is bad at math, reason why some people can't keep a full cache? (Message 1259063)
Posted 11 Jul 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I did a test on PrimeGrid with 7.0.31

7/11/2012 3:05:10 PM PrimeGrid [sched_op] Starting scheduler request
7/11/2012 3:05:10 PM PrimeGrid Sending scheduler request: Project initialization.
7/11/2012 3:05:10 PM PrimeGrid Requesting new tasks for CPU and NVIDIA
7/11/2012 3:05:10 PM PrimeGrid [sched_op] CPU work request: 1.00 seconds; 0.00 devices
7/11/2012 3:05:10 PM PrimeGrid [sched_op] NVIDIA work request: 1.00 seconds; 0.00 devices
7/11/2012 3:05:15 PM PrimeGrid Scheduler request completed: got 1 new tasks
7/11/2012 3:05:15 PM PrimeGrid [sched_op] Server version 613
7/11/2012 3:05:15 PM PrimeGrid Project requested delay of 7 seconds
7/11/2012 3:05:15 PM PrimeGrid [sched_op] estimated total CPU task duration: 0 seconds
7/11/2012 3:05:15 PM PrimeGrid [sched_op] estimated total NVIDIA task duration: 9921 seconds
7/11/2012 3:05:15 PM PrimeGrid [sched_op] Deferring communication for 7 sec
7/11/2012 3:05:15 PM PrimeGrid [sched_op] Reason: requested by project

The estimated task time was 2:45:21. Which comes out to 9921 seconds just as the debug shows.

So perhaps it has something to do with the different server version or the data.

Until we are up and running at full speed here again I can't check.
3726) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (76) Server Problems? (Message 1259040)
Posted 11 Jul 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
[As of 11 Jul 2012 | 18:02:58 UTC]
Tasks RTS: MB:10 AP:0

The AP db is online, but not the main db. Perhaps they are online & will show on the next update.
3727) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Help.... I messed something up. (Message 1259033)
Posted 11 Jul 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
OK, the whole thing is pretty much unusable on longer threads in combination with some "normal" amout of posts per page (20-40). If you post in such thread, you be redirected to the first page and can click you thru to your post. If that "improvement" was for dial-up users, I'm pretty sure they are the ones, who are pissed off the most now. Let's hope they fix it fast.

I wish they didn't have the "instead of rolling back to the last thing that worked, let's spend the next 2 years trying to make the change work" mentality.
3728) Message boards : Number crunching : Microsofts Skydrive (Message 1258961)
Posted 11 Jul 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I just use my web server for offsite storage. Since they claim I have unlimited bandwidth and storage. I make sure to use all I can.
I generally compress things into groups with dates so I know what they are. Such as "boinc_versions_2012-07-11_1645z.7z"
3729) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Help.... I messed something up. (Message 1258955)
Posted 11 Jul 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Strangely, I noticed no difference at all. I have always had mine set at 75, I have newest post at the top and "Jump to first new post in thread automatically" ticked, so until my attention was drawn to the fact I had not noticed.

As you, I have the sort order, newest post on top, so there is no difference at all. (Why I should have to wait for all the posts to load when I want the newest first, I could never understand)

So with Jump to first new post does that mean you have to scroll up to read them in order?
I like to read posts chronologically. So reading down the page, as with normal reading, to see the 5 newest post makes sense to me.
3730) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (76) Server Problems? (Message 1258953)
Posted 11 Jul 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
OK, so according to the SSP both science databases are disabled and no new WUs created... what is than using up all the bandwidth since midnight?

My machines did get several tasks assigned to them before they took the database offline. Perhaps the bandwidth is everyone downloading their assigned tasks?
3731) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows 8 Release Preview now available (Message 1258951)
Posted 11 Jul 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
So Windoze 9 could be our 1st 128-bit OS and AMD will be the 1st with a 128-bit cpu to power it.

I don't foresee the rise of general 128-bit processors by then. Although some processors have used a 128-bit FPU since 1970.
Also it would seem that a 128-bit address space is large enough to store all of the data on earth roughly twice.
3732) Message boards : Number crunching : AMD 100-505648 FirePro V5900 GPU (Message 1258913)
Posted 11 Jul 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
You might find these wiki pages helpful.
Comparison of ATI graphics processing units
Comparison of Nvidia graphics processing units

Often the workstation cards are the same GPU's marketed at a different segment. The FirePro V5900 for instance is a Cayman GPU. So comparable to the 6900 cards. Except it only has 512 cores instead of 6930's 1280, 6950's 1408, 6970's or 1536.
3733) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (76) Server Problems? (Message 1258903)
Posted 11 Jul 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I think someone updated, or changed a setting in, the forum software.

I have been using 20 for the forum "Display this many messages per page". Which would normally show the first message and then a bar with "click here to show the rest".

Now I get 20 messages with "show next 20" at the bottom. Which wouldn't be to bad if it went to the first page with the new post. As I have "Jump to first new post in thread automatically" enabled.

Anyone else notice this?

I see you've found the Cafe thread where this is being discussed.

I did. I was about to edit my message to put a link to that post, but now I don't need to do so.
3734) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Help.... I messed something up. (Message 1258901)
Posted 11 Jul 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Indeed. I disapprove of this change. Instead of just seeing a short list of the newest posts. I either have to click through several pages or just have them all be displayed.
It wouldn't be as bad if the "Jump to first new post in thread automatically" wasn't broken in the process of the change I suppose.
3735) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (76) Server Problems? (Message 1258898)
Posted 11 Jul 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I think someone updated, or changed a setting in, the forum software.

I have been using 20 for the forum "Display this many messages per page". Which would normally show the first message and then a bar with "click here to show the rest".

Now I get 20 messages with "show next 20" at the bottom. Which wouldn't be to bad if it went to the first page with the new post. As I have "Jump to first new post in thread automatically" enabled.

Anyone else notice this?
3736) Message boards : Number crunching : flops in app_info still needed? (Message 1258550)
Posted 10 Jul 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Newbie question but where do I find out correct flop numbers (CPU and GPU) for my system?

-Kimmo-

IIRC you can use the "Average processing rate" for each app.

So if you look at
SETI@home Enhanced (anonymous platform, nvidia GPU)
"Average processing rate 182.8820447126"
Then you can enter <flops>182.88e9</flops> for the MB app.
3737) Message boards : Number crunching : Back to the Future? (Message 1258540)
Posted 10 Jul 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
How many times does it need to be said? There is nothing arbitrary about using Co-ordinated Universal Time in an international setting - it is, in fact, the simplest and sensible thing to do. On the contrary, to use a project's local time-zone would be an arbitrary choice.

The way arbitrary keeps getting used it makes me think of that line from the princess bride.

I guess it comes down to if you don't understand why the standard reference that all clocks are based upon is used. Then you just have to accept it and move on.

Also I am unable to find any other BOINC projects that use a time other than UTC for their clock.
3738) Message boards : Number crunching : flops in app_info still needed? (Message 1258535)
Posted 10 Jul 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Well, that's the catch: BOINC has never managed to get the estimates for my ATI cards right, it always underestimates how much work is needed (overestimates time required) after all this time, so that's why I was doing some research on it.

But thanks for the info, could prove useful. At this point, the issue is moot since my hosts are downloading hardly anything at all due to the current high demand resulting in network congestion.

I have never found the estimated time for GPU work to be right if I leave BOINC on its own. My opinion is that flops isn't needed like you don't need to put air in the tires in your car. However it sure helps a lot if you do.
3739) Message boards : Number crunching : This prolly has been asked before, but (Message 1258534)
Posted 10 Jul 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I believe you also need to use the same COMPUTER NAME if you want it to count towards your existing computer id

The computer name is irreverent. BOINC will update the new machine name on the server the next time it calls home.
3740) Message boards : Number crunching : Back to the Future? (Message 1258113)
Posted 9 Jul 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

I often see people that people don't use the correct name when referring to their time zone. In that people often don't distinguish between their daylight and standard time. Such as using EST or EDT year round.


I always use MST for mine, but I do live in Arizona.

I guess it is worth noting that SETI@Home also uses UNIX time for tracking purposes. At least in the client_state files.

A good example of people using the wrong nomenclature can be found on http://www.unixtimestamp.com. Where is it currently indicating EST to me instead of EDT. They may be reading the time zone of the machine connecting to the site. So you may see your local time zone instead.
3741) Message boards : Number crunching : BOINC is bad at math, reason why some people can't keep a full cache? (Message 1258069)
Posted 9 Jul 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
My first thought would be along the lines that your system is still learning how long these tasks will take. The server shows you only have 2 tasks completed for AP on the GPU.

It could also be that the server did something weird with your TDCF. I noticed that it doubled on one of my machines for several hours the other day for what seemed like no reason.

Another guess is that the task duration also includes your work fetch values.
3742) Message boards : Number crunching : BOINC 7.0.28 is now the RECOMMENDED version for Windows, Mac and Linux. (Message 1258054)
Posted 9 Jul 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Sticking with 6.12.34 for now. Will there be an RAC improvement with 7.0.28?

The only real way for a version of BOINC to improve RAC would be for it to steal fewer CPU cycles from crunching. Let's see, I did restart BOINC about 47 hours ago, and it has used 34 seconds of CPU time since then. So for CPU crunching there's a potential speedup of 0.02% if there were a version of BOINC which didn't use any CPU time at all.

I do run with BOINC Manager actually shut down most of the time, it tends to use more CPU than BOINC itself, and the frequent updates of information to display would increase BOINC CPU usage too. None of that makes a practical difference with recent desktop systems.
                                                                   Joe

The CPU usage for BOINC seems consistent with my systems. With 109 seconds after 6 days of it running. Although I do have Manager running on this system it has clocked in with 40 seconds in the same amount of time.
3743) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (76) Server Problems? (Message 1258035)
Posted 9 Jul 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Anyone knows why there have been no XML stats updates recently?


There's been one every day for the last seven days, counting today.
Yeah, sorry, rather looks like an issue @BOINCstats, it shows that it hasn't done an incremental update in +7h, Free-DC shows the updated numbers from today... :(

Ralf

Sometimes the stat sites have issues just as there can be issues on the S@H end. I use two different primary stat sites for tracking my numbers. As one is normally updated when the other is taking a few days off.
3744) Message boards : Number crunching : Bitcoin Mining (Message 1258033)
Posted 9 Jul 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Bitcoin mining is a joke of a pyramid scheme, where even the original one or two probably won't ever have any real money to speak of.

If you want to spend your electricity and computers time on something, may I recommend sticking with DC projects that serve a purpose.

And, at NO point in bitcoin history, (not since before the money split the first time), has there been any way to profit. The electric itself costs more money that the money it produces, and once you factor in hardware...
well you get the point.

It's like gambling for people bad at math, or using a change machine that charges a fee.
3745) Message boards : Number crunching : Back to the Future? (Message 1258029)
Posted 9 Jul 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Still makes no sense to me. I could understand it if the webpage used whatever random timezone as a base timezone, and displayed either my timezone, or the timezone where the project is located, but I still can't understand why a project in California would have any interest in setting a clock to a timezone where they are not. Unless, for some reason they are linked to another project somewhere else that I've never heard of? Financial and travel companies frequently have clocks for other timezones available because it's handy to know what time it is somewhere else when you want to do business in that other time zone, but what reason is there for SETI to do such a thing?

What critical aspect of SETI@home requires that the webpage display a time that has nothing to do with the actual time at the project, or at the viewer's location?

I imagine that there probably is a reason. SETI seems to be run by some pretty levelheaded folks, but I simply can't see it from where I'm sitting.

How does this universal time make it easier for my computer to display the time where I am or where Berkley is? It's just using a lookup table or a calculation anyway?

I often see people that people don't use the correct name when referring to their time zone. In that people often don't distinguish between their daylight and standard time. Such as using EST or EDT year round.

UTC is the time reference for our planet. Your time zone is just UTC with an offset so your day makes sense. Most network hardware, including web servers, use UTC instead of having to bother with time zones. The key part is in the name "Universal". Also as Seti@Home is a scientific project they would naturally use it for their clocks. I would imagine most, if not all, scientific projects would use UTC to log time.

Your Windows OS also uses UTC for its time basis. No matter what time zone you set. If you look in your System log at event ID 1. You will see the time change event recorded like this:
"The system time has changed to ‎2012‎-‎07‎-‎01T05:03:13.280000000Z from ‎2012‎-‎07‎-‎01T05:03:11.439450000Z."
The Z on the end denotes "Zulu". Which occurred at 1:03AM for me on EDT.

You will also find that the forum clock uses UTC. So your post at "Message 1256792 - Posted: 7 Jul 2012 | 4:00:56 UTC" does look a bit odd.
3746) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (76) Server Problems? (Message 1256432)
Posted 6 Jul 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Even though there has been no AP split, or waiting to be split,
for a few days now the crickets are still at max throughput,
There is an lot of work flying arround the planet.
We can not blame AP for a full pipe this time.

I think we might have a shortie storm going on at the moment. At least across my machines I see a lot of them that were downloaded the past few days.
On the machine I'm on right now 35% of the tasks on hand are shorties.
3747) Message boards : Number crunching : 5 million no power (Message 1256429)
Posted 6 Jul 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Every body thinks how wonderful and advanced America is but they are wrong the power companies are still stuck in 1900 by stringing wires instead of burying them in the ground and bring the system up to 21st century instead of the 1900's with poles were they can be damaged by wind storms.

[informational post from a 40+ year power lineman]
The cost to go underground is 5 to 40 times the cost of going overhead. That cost is passed on to the rate payers. It is not an issue of advancement but an issue of costs. Undergrounding LID cost thousand$ of dollar$ to each property owner. Underground will last about 25 years in most places where as overheard can last 50 to 75 years in most places.

I'd say that 25 year lifespan is pretty accurate. The part of the mid-Atlantic I live in now was developed in the late 80's with pretty much everything underground. My places was built in '86 or '87 I forget when at the moment. For years I was plagued with brown/blackouts. With several outages lasting 12+ hours for no apparent reason. In that there were no storms or excessive heat at the time of the outages.
A few years ago the power company replaced/upgraded the lines feeding the pad transformers across the area. I think they might have just bolted up secondary feed lines and left the old ones in place. I didn't ask, but since then the power has only briefly flickered once or twice.

In contrast where I grew up in Oklahoma power outages wouldn't last very long. Even in situations where a tornado took out some lines. Power would be back in just a couple of hours at most.
3748) Message boards : Number crunching : DNS changer warning (Message 1256098)
Posted 5 Jul 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
These links give your real situation:
http://www.dns-ok.us/
http://www.dns-ok.be/

The us link doesn't work (at least from Germany), but there's also a de link. ;-)

Gruß,
Gundolf

They have a list of the 9 servers here: https://forms.fbi.gov/check-to-see-if-your-computer-is-using-rogue-DNS

There is a link to that page on the main article which Mike had posted, but in the event it is hard to find for some it here there as well.

I was confused when I saw this post since it is about 8 months old. So if you haven't taken care of this by now. Then shame on you! :P
3749) Message boards : Number crunching : Lunatics Windows Installer v0.40 release notes (Message 1256049)
Posted 5 Jul 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Ah. I thought that the benchmarks would change because of the additional computing power of the Graphics Processor. In that case, I'll go back, reset the whole thing back to BlBgs settings (big thanks for the screencaps), and give SETI about a week to sort things out.

Once it does, I should start seeing an increase in the User Averages, correct?


The benchmark is just for BOINC to get an idea of how fast your machine is to request work from projects. IIRC one of the two numbers isn't actually used any longer.

Your average will creep up over time. Depending on the speed of the machine and how often it runs. Generally a few weeks, but you can check the daily stat numbers form the stat websites.
3750) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (76) Server Problems? (Message 1256010)
Posted 5 Jul 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
MB 'Results ready to send: 1' at 5 Jul 2012 | 19:00:11 UTC (fully updated), with splitters running and tapes loaded.

I think that's worth a small panic, at least?

Well If it stays that way. I'll panic sometime next week. If I am paying attention to things anyway.
3751) Message boards : Number crunching : BOINC 7.0.25 completely ruined everything (Message 1255059)
Posted 3 Jul 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I don't have such key in the registry. Under BOINC Manager I only have "(Default) REG_SZ"

Not sure what is going on there, but it sounds like it might be a permission issue. If BOINC Manager isn't being allowed to create its standard registry entries it may not have the correct permissions to run the client.

Maybe try running it as administrator to see how it responds.
3752) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (76) Server Problems? (Message 1255032)
Posted 3 Jul 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
It is actually Windows 7. I am guessing the machine just went a bit crazy. It has been sitting for weeks without being used. So I'm not going to bother trying to find the cause right now.
I fixed the clock, reset the values in client_state, and then rebooted. Now I just have to watch and see if it does it again.

Main Cruncher Mk3 of mine had an issue similar to that for losing time. Over the course of a few days, it would be off by several minutes. I fixed that, and now still prevent that, by adjusting the "Internet Time" update interval from the default of once per week to four times per day. It syncs to my Linux laptop which is a stratum 2 NTP server.

I set all of my lab machines sync to my cisco 4500. They are set to do so at bootup and the default windows interval of once a week.

For now I'm blaming the leap second.
3753) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (76) Server Problems? (Message 1254687)
Posted 2 Jul 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
You're lucky it was only downloads that were backed off. I still have an open bug report ([trac]#588[/trac] - four years and three months ago. No, that's not a record) about circumstances where BOINC would stop computing altogether when you put the clock right again. It's only a minor bug - just exit BOINC, and restart it, to clear the problem.

Oh, and you have two more joys to come. Your usage fractions may be wrong until August 1st. (which will mean the computer may fetch very little work), and your statistics graph tab will be all messed up.

It's an all-to-easy mistake to make in Windows XP - just use the system clock to check a date next month, and click OK instead of cancel. Thank goodness they separated 'look' and 'change' in Vista/7.

It is actually Windows 7. I am guessing the machine just went a bit crazy. It has been sitting for weeks without being used. So I'm not going to bother trying to find the cause right now.
I fixed the clock, reset the values in client_state, and then rebooted. Now I just have to watch and see if it does it again.
3754) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (76) Server Problems? (Message 1254673)
Posted 2 Jul 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I was checking the status of my machines and came across this.
30 day back off time

It turned out that the clock was reporting August 1st, Instead of July 2nd, and about an hour ahead.

Mostly this made me laugh that BOINC was listing 30+ day back off times. At the same time the message log was reporting the normal 15 minutes or whatever back off times.

I guess that machine picked up a bunch of the extra leap seconds over the weekend or something.
3755) Message boards : Number crunching : Double-check RAM settings (Message 1254667)
Posted 2 Jul 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The Corsair XMS memory I bought was listed as PC3-10600 (1333MHz). Which it runs out of the box. Then it has a XMP profile to run 1600MHz. Which wasn't listed anywhere in the specs. So bonus for me there.

I do wish manufactures would start listing the spec tables for the memory. So they could be compared across one another.
3756) Message boards : Number crunching : BOINC 7.0.28 is now the RECOMMENDED version for Windows, Mac and Linux. (Message 1254624)
Posted 2 Jul 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I found the release date as a Recommended version http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/VersionHistory shows this as 29 June '12. The download page shows the release date as 21 May, which I think was the Beta release.

I thought new recommended versions usually got announced officially rather than in forum posts, but I might be wrong about that.

[NOTE TO MODS]
Please could this thread be made Sticky for a few days, as many 7.0.25 users have complained of problems.
[/NOTE TO MODS]

I don't think I have ever seen any kind of "official" notice about a new release. I would guess they rely on the built in notification system in BOINC informing users of a new version.

However, You can always find the recommended version on the BOINC download page.
3757) Message boards : Number crunching : B-SYS Re-image (Message 1253177)
Posted 29 Jun 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
So which one is B-SYS?

You must remember that we can't see your computer names (giving us the computer ID number would be very much more helpful). ;)

Cheers.

A few people have taken to putting their machine names in your signature with tiny URLs to the host ID page.

Well that explains it then as I don't allow sigs but I bet a lot of other people don't either. ;)

Cheers.

Cliff isn't doing that. I was just mentioning it for those that refer to their machine names instead of their ID.
3758) Message boards : Number crunching : Burnt Pins on ATX Socket (Message 1252624)
Posted 28 Jun 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Over the last 18 months I've had 2 motherboards fail due to burnt out +12v pins on the ATX socket.

Coincidently, both times I was using the the same Q6600 processor. It was overclocked but not insanely so, running at 3.1GHz. It was only over volted by 0.025 above standard. The 8 pin CPU power plug was inserted and tight. Each rig was running 3 GTX285 GPU's. With the latest failure I was not using the CPU for crunching and only running at about 10% CPU usage.

Checking my other rigs with both a finger and a Infra-red temperature gun these pins are not even warm even though the CPU's are being pushed a lot harder than the one that failed.

I have 3 questions.
1) What part of the motherboard do the +12V pins on the ATX socket feed?

2) Is it possible for a CPU to draw enough current to burn these pins out yet apparently be operating normally ?

3) Has anyone else suffered failures like this?

I'm wondering if I should bin the processor or if I should look somewhere else for the problem.

T.A.

The connector on your board is rated at 8a or 11a per pin. Depending on the connector they used. So either 32a or 44a total.

While not the electrical spec. The TDP for the CPU is 105w. Which would add up to 8a from the 12v connector. Overclocking raises it an unknown amount.

PCIe x16 slots are spec'd to deliver up to 75w each. While video cards do have auxiliary power connectors they can still draw 75w from the board. So the 3 cards could be drawing 6a each or total 18a from the 12v section through the board.

So together 26a. Which seems OK, but depending on how the board is wired one or more pins could actually be overloaded.
3759) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (75) Server problems? (Message 1252611)
Posted 28 Jun 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Eric advises me that it was a spider scan that was not picked up by the server settings.......freakin' net thingy.

Should get better now.


Yeah, there are lots of spiders/robots out there, that doesn't obey the robots.txt files on websites any longer. What you as a site owner wants, the ones who sends their spiders on your site, doesn't give a rats a** about...

Criminals they are, I tell you.

When I was running my web server at home I had taken to adding blocks of IP's to the deny list on my router. I still have them in there and some of the ranges are pretty large. Such as 200.0.0.0-200.255.255.255
3760) Message boards : Number crunching : B-SYS Re-image (Message 1252607)
Posted 28 Jun 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
So which one is B-SYS?

You must remember that we can't see your computer names (giving us the computer ID number would be very much more helpful). ;)

Cheers.

A few people have taken to putting their machine names in your signature with tiny URLs to the host ID page.
3761) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (75) Server problems? (Message 1252240)
Posted 27 Jun 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Crickets are stuffed full.
Indeed the crickets didn't drop very far during yesterday's downtime, which is most unusual - its almost like a DoS in action

And yet uploads and reports look to be getting through at the normal rate.

Very confusing!

SETI@Home is a DDoS attack to the servers.

When the download bandwidth stays up like that it has been a sign of backed up downloads in the past. A few weeks ago when there were massive backups the graph stayed pegged for the whole outage.

I don't have any pent up transfers and both my transfers seem to be going at a normal rate.

The servers stayed up for the whole outage this week, in case you did not notice.....almost pegged.
Download mania has never stuffed the web pages this bad before.....
I should know.
Something else is amiss.

Yeah I had looked at the graph already. The traffic stayed up only dipping to about 70mb before going back up again.
3762) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (75) Server problems? (Message 1252223)
Posted 27 Jun 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Crickets are stuffed full.
Indeed the crickets didn't drop very far during yesterday's downtime, which is most unusual - its almost like a DoS in action

And yet uploads and reports look to be getting through at the normal rate.

Very confusing!

SETI@Home is a DDoS attack to the servers.

When the download bandwidth stays up like that it has been a sign of backed up downloads in the past. A few weeks ago when there were massive backups the graph stayed pegged for the whole outage.

I don't have any pent up transfers and both my transfers seem to be going at a normal rate.
3763) Message boards : Number crunching : Xeon Phi (aka Knights Corner, MIC) (Message 1252082)
Posted 27 Jun 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I got a question for you.

Several years ago, around 1994-1995, I was getting in touch with Unix System V when making my studies at a local technical school here in town.

There were budget constraints and there were only a few workstations that offered Unix, either by means of terminals which was remotely connected, or as complete workstations on their own.

For the special lab, we only were able to used worn 386-based PC's.

If you are an ordinary user and am using the console only (no graphics or multi-user/multi-tasking environment) and input the command sleep 30, the PC goes to sleep for that 30 seconds.

But replace the command with sleep 30 & instead, making it a background process. What happens then?

What if the environment is more advanced/sophisticated? How would this command appear as a running process?

Finally, if you are root or superuser on a system, what may happen if you try running this command either by means of the console or in a graphical multi-user/multi-tasking environment?

Possibly I am wrong here.


Is someone testing AI software?

Google is actually. Google simulates the human brain with 1000 machines, 16000 cores and a love of cats
With compute cards maybe they could have cut that down to 250 machines.
3764) Message boards : Number crunching : How do credits work for SETI@home? (Message 1251297)
Posted 25 Jun 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Dear Abby....

I'd kinda like to re-calibrate the credits for my kitty crunching farm. They seem way too low for the amount of effort and electricity I put into it. This puts way too much stress on the kitties.

I have written many letters to Mr. Admin. He does not answer. My kitties are getting furballs and I cannot afford the vet bills.

How do I fix this? Thank you.

The kittyman.


I don't know what you are talking about. Everything looks perfectly normal to me.

3765) Message boards : Number crunching : Is SETI@home ready to be taken into the mobile world? (Tegra 3, Cortex-A15 and Krait) (Message 1251291)
Posted 25 Jun 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=66879

Enjoy.



As Bill linked to the lengthy discussion that has been going on about this it seems that like most of the newer hardware out there should be able contribute in some fashion.

NativeBOINC Which is actively being developed. They announced a new release on the 24th in fact. They have a link to their binaries but here is a direct link to it as well.

I don't think it will be in the Google Play Store any time soon. So you would need to install it yourself. Using APKInstaller or something similar.

The next step is to get a Seti@Home science app going in it. At the moment they support a few projects, or a few projects support ARM hardware. Depending on your point of view I guess.
3766) Message boards : Number crunching : No GPU crunching on new install (Message 1251287)
Posted 25 Jun 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
How it GPU usage option set?
The web setting is:
"Suspend GPU work while computer is in use?": Yes
Enforced by version 6.6.21+
The BOINC 6.10.x GUI setting would be:
"Use GPU while computer is in use": Unchecked
3767) Message boards : Number crunching : New Octo GPU Cruncher build (Message 1251046)
Posted 24 Jun 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Understood, but this machine is not a dedicated SETI-cruncher, so the purpose of the additional video cards would be for my own, non-SETI enjoyment first. No Crossfire or SLI support nixes that for me on this particular platform. Next big black IBM/Lenovo box, I'll keep an eye open for that feature, otherwise I buy the best single card I can swing.

I thought you could do SLI or CrossFire on any board. Where you just had to use the bridge adapters on boards that didn't support the feature. Otherwise the MB would handle everything so the adapters were not needed.
3768) Message boards : Number crunching : How do credits work for SETI@home? (Message 1250958)
Posted 24 Jun 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
We will likely find evidence of intelligent life before anyone can accurately figure out how the heck credits are awarded.

Just use them as an indicator of how much science your machines are doing and use that figure to compare against other machines. That's really what it all boils down to.

If we do find a more advanced civilization out there I doubt they would be able to figure out the credit system either.
3769) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows 2000 the last gasp? (Message 1250659)
Posted 23 Jun 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The only reason i stoped using 2K was gpu drivers for modern cards are either dificult to install (fideling with dll names became a pain) or they just refuse to install `wrong version` etc, XP it had to be, or lately WINdge 7 . .
Though i still miss 98se :¬))

Exactly.
That's the only thing prodding me to migrate to XP on my last 3 Win2k boxen.

I can't even tell you how many times I've installed 2000 Pro. So much so that I have the MSDN key for it freaken memorized. ddtpv-txmx7-bbgj9...

One thing I do like about the newer OS's in the inbox drivers for most hardware. So you don't have to muck around trying to find out which "unknown device" needs whichever driver. Having to circumvent and change most of the new annoying features of the OS's I don't really like.
3770) Message boards : Number crunching : PC problems (Message 1250647)
Posted 23 Jun 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Are you running "ganged" or "unganged" on the RAM. Should probably run an overclock with "unganged" from everything I've ever read.

But then, you're probably already doing that.

Sorry but that is an AMD memory setting that doesn't apply to Intel setups mate. ;)

Cheers.


Well, that explains a lot.

I haven't looked at an Intel BIOS in a while. Hasn't been necessary.

EDIT - for those reading along, the "ganging" isn't about the dual or single-channel settings. It's perfectly possible to run "unganged" and still be running in dual-channel.

Intel's original configuration for dual-channel was ganged. When it was clear that it didn't work out well they switched to unganged. I looked though some of my old manuals and it seems they never let the user change this setting. It is probably just a function of how they code the memory controller these days.
3771) Message boards : Number crunching : HEAT wave apologies!! (Message 1249967)
Posted 22 Jun 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I hear that. Here in south joisie we has 100.2 for Wednesday and 99.8 for Thursday.
As the sun beats down on my condo from 3PM until it sets. I gets loads of heat. So much that my ancient central air can't really keep up. Like yesterday when it ran continuously from 11AM until 9:15PM with it set for 78ºF. It actually got up to 82ºF inside my place.
3772) Message boards : Number crunching : Current Hardware Fundraisers for SETI at Home (Message 1249936)
Posted 22 Jun 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
FYI Your link is not working http://gpuug.org/content/cash-4-drive-2gb

As they are TB drives instead of GB. I imagine that was meant to be:
http://www.gpuug.org/content/cash-4-drive-2tb
3773) Message boards : Number crunching : Xeon Phi (aka Knights Corner, MIC) (Message 1249935)
Posted 22 Jun 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
There was a software tool called Parallel Virtual Machine by the University of Tennessee which allowed this. Once I connected a Bull/Mips minicomputer and a SUN SparcStation using this tool.
Tullio

That sounds neat. I will have to see if I can get that to work on some of my machines in the lab.
Hopefully this is the software you were referring to? http://www.csm.ornl.gov/pvm/
3774) Message boards : Number crunching : Xeon Phi (aka Knights Corner, MIC) (Message 1249933)
Posted 22 Jun 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
external connections to stand-alone MICs you stack next to your workstation?


You can do that with Tesla cards, I know it's possible to literally build or buy a Tesla compute "box" that wires into your rig. Again we're talking multiple thousands of US dollars.


What I want now is some way to connect machines together so that a machine could be presented to the system as a coprocessor.

Oh how sweet it would be...

Shouldn't we be able to do this natively with *nix based systems??? Now I'm curious.

If you mean a beowulf cluster cluster configuration, then yes nix systems can do that without to much effort. However BOINC uses shared memory to talk between the client and the apps. Which this cluster configuration can't give you across nodes. If you want shared memory access at the moment you have to spend tens of thousands of dollars per node.

Perhaps someone could create an app that would work in this configuration. BOINC could run a 'controller' app, communicating with it via shared memory segments, and the 'controller' app could talk to a science app that runs on the node
As BOINC doesn't have any way to set any kind of controls on each instance of an app it runs. There would probably need to be a layer in between. The 'controller' app would talk to it. Then it would have the job of working out which instance talks to which node and such.

Another approach, which has been brought up before, is a super client version of BOINC. Where you have one client that runs a master client app and then all of the nodes run a client app that only talk to to master client app.

Either way would require quite a lot of coding I would imagine.
3775) Message boards : Number crunching : Xeon Phi (aka Knights Corner, MIC) (Message 1249572)
Posted 21 Jun 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Ouch... This is starting to sound more and more like a dream than a reality.

Even supposing $2K, that makes that compute card more expensive than my entire little Xeon server.

I guess the gamer's segment will always win in the number of customers to the high-computing's segments... An also, if GPU becomes too expensive dady will not buy it... If a bussiness requires an MCI, the boss has to buy it...

What I want now is some way to connect machines together so that a machine could be presented to the system as a coprocessor.

Is not that what BOINC does? :D


In the current universe, where I live, BOINC can not tell the machine it is running on to use the one next to is as a coprocessor.
3776) Message boards : Number crunching : Xeon Phi (aka Knights Corner, MIC) (Message 1249548)
Posted 21 Jun 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I doubt they will be priced better if at all than the Tesla cards. Depends on the speeds I would imagine. If they are on par or close to a Tesla performance wise they will be in the same neighborhood. If they are faster, get ready for $4-5K per.


Ouch... This is starting to sound more and more like a dream than a reality.

Even supposing $2K, that makes that compute card more expensive than my entire little Xeon server.


That's been my major objection to the Tesla cards for crunching. I read somewhere that nVIDIA is having to take the cost/benefit ratio in consideration with regards to their Tesla offerings vs their GeForce offerings.

I doubt that we'll see inexpensive MICs as PCIe cards, maybe ever. It will be interesting to see how it evolves, though. Maybe something like PCIe (or its replacement) external connections to stand-alone MICs you stack next to your workstation?

Maybe something really wild I can't even imagine will come out of this.

eSATA seemed pretty esoteric to me after dealing with external drives on a parallel port, so I'm easily impressed, whatever happens.

You can already get external PCIe enclosures & I have read that that will be some Thunderbolt enclosures soon. Unless the Thunderbolt enclosures have already some out.

What I want now is some way to connect machines together so that a machine could be presented to the system as a coprocessor.
3777) Message boards : Number crunching : A question about RAC (Message 1249510)
Posted 21 Jun 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The two ID's were a mistake on my part.
Should have been
http://boincstats.com/en/stats/-1/detail/2054409833ee6d54c92bc069bef54cf4
&
http://boincstats.com/en/stats/-1/host/detail/2054409833ee6d54c92bc069bef54cf4

Try the link again now - looks like LadyL's bug report has produced a quick fix.

I get (correctly)
http://boincstats.com/en/stats/-1/host/detail/2054409833ee6d54c92bc069bef54cf4
from your host list now.

It looks like they knocked that one out nice and quick. Let's just hope that the location doesn't get changed back anytime soon.
3778) Message boards : Number crunching : A question about RAC (Message 1249458)
Posted 21 Jun 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Back in the day when they used to show total pendings this I7 and its little nvidia GTS 250 had a pending list of anywhere between 50 and 60 K.

The uber crunchers were well over 200k and I believe that over 300K you would get a blank screen. I think Mark had that problem.

The pending credits screen has been gone for a long time. Now you can only get a list of your total tasks, and within that you can see the number of pending tasks, but not their potential credit value.
I currently show 7,292 pending tasks, but a lot of the farm has not been doing much crunching due to the heat here, so my pendings and RAC have been declining for the last week or so.

4-6 weeks is the minimum for RAC to begin to stabilize, assuming your crunching and the Seti servers are stable for that length of time.

I was not aware that info by host was broken on Boincstats, might have happened when Willy revamped the site. I generally am looking at the performance of the whole farm, and can see daily credits generated to see what the output was on any given day.

I don't use the machine links very often so it doesn't really bother me.
If the stat guys change the paths I would think they would update the projects to the new location(s). However I think it changed before the site revamp.
The current S@H links point to:
http://boincstats.com/en/stats/-1/detail/2054409833ee6d54c92bc069bef54cf4
With the actual path at the moment being:
http://boincstats.com/en/stats/-1/host/detail/4eac157fa043afe32c2def8e6d8adf56

Which of those matches the HostCPID - note, that's not the same thing as a UserCPID - stored in your client_state.xml file? Having looked at one of mine, I suspect that the one being sent by SETI is wrong.

The two ID's were a mistake on my part.
Should have been
http://boincstats.com/en/stats/-1/detail/2054409833ee6d54c92bc069bef54cf4
&
http://boincstats.com/en/stats/-1/host/detail/2054409833ee6d54c92bc069bef54cf4
3779) Message boards : Number crunching : A question about RAC (Message 1249442)
Posted 21 Jun 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Back in the day when they used to show total pendings this I7 and its little nvidia GTS 250 had a pending list of anywhere between 50 and 60 K.

The uber crunchers were well over 200k and I believe that over 300K you would get a blank screen. I think Mark had that problem.

The pending credits screen has been gone for a long time. Now you can only get a list of your total tasks, and within that you can see the number of pending tasks, but not their potential credit value.
I currently show 7,292 pending tasks, but a lot of the farm has not been doing much crunching due to the heat here, so my pendings and RAC have been declining for the last week or so.

4-6 weeks is the minimum for RAC to begin to stabilize, assuming your crunching and the Seti servers are stable for that length of time.

I was not aware that info by host was broken on Boincstats, might have happened when Willy revamped the site. I generally am looking at the performance of the whole farm, and can see daily credits generated to see what the output was on any given day.

I don't use the machine links very often so it doesn't really bother me.
If the stat guys change the paths I would think they would update the projects to the new location(s). However I think it changed before the site revamp.
The current S@H links point to:
http://boincstats.com/en/stats/-1/detail/2054409833ee6d54c92bc069bef54cf4
With the actual path at the moment being:
http://boincstats.com/en/stats/-1/host/detail/4eac157fa043afe32c2def8e6d8adf56
3780) Message boards : Number crunching : A question about RAC (Message 1249388)
Posted 21 Jun 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
RAC generally takes a few weeks to stabilize.

It gets calculated by taking your last average and adding the new credit value.

While not exactly the same as the system that is used. This example may help you.
Day	1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9	10
Value	10	25	35	45	45	45	45	45	45	45
Average	10.00	17.50	23.33	28.75	32.00	34.17	35.71	36.88	37.78	38.50

In this example I used the daily numbers on Free-DC for your system and rounded to the nearest 10K. If you continued to produce 45K per day you would see an average of 42k on day 22 and an average of 44k on day 60.
3781) Message boards : Number crunching : Xeon Phi (aka Knights Corner, MIC) (Message 1249384)
Posted 21 Jun 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I will wait for real world comparisons against the likes of 680 and 7970 before i sell an arm and a leg to pay for Intel`s Tesla.
Nice pice of kit though.


Sounds like these bad boys are going to take some serious overhead within, to run properly:

Intel said its Xeon Phi boards will have at least 8GB of GDDR5 memory, which is a third more than current generation Nvidia Tesla cards. Hazra told The INQUIRER that local memory will be what determines the overall performance of Xeon Phi,

Source: The Inquirer (http://s.tt/1fenZ)


That tells me, that perhaps cost-wise GPUs may continue to be the better option... For now ;-)


And as far as hacking my slots or buying adapters, nope not in my little server, I love her and respect her too much, not gonna happen. If it's not a stock fit it won't be used.

Let's hope they are priced better then the current NVIDIA Tesla boards. As the M2090 runs in the neighborhood of $2500.
3782) Message boards : Number crunching : Replacing my 9500 GT (aka PNY GT 610 review) (Message 1249051)
Posted 21 Jun 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Most of the low end cards are rebadged fermi cards. The 630 & 640 come in both kelper and fermi versions. The easy way to tell is if GPUz gives you the fab size. Kepler = 28 Fermi = 40. Looking at the GPU list for the 600 series cards may be helpful for you and others as well.
3783) Message boards : Number crunching : Xeon Phi (aka Knights Corner, MIC) (Message 1249023)
Posted 21 Jun 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Well with the way PCI-e connectors work, if you didn't care about any warranties, you could take an x16 card and actually cut the connector to make it fit into an x8 slot. Conversely, you can cut the end of an x8 slot so you can put an x16 card in there. Either way will work. Throughput will be half of the theoretical max for x16, but as we've seen around here on the forums, GPUs don't slow down much at all when put on x1.

I would probably feel safer screwing a heavy duty paper clip into my soldering station iron and carving out a notch in the connector. Rather than trying to dremel off the connector edge. I've been thinking of trying that on my MoDT system that only has a x1 connector since that system is starting to get wonky I wouldn't feel bad if I killed it.

Why wouldn't you use one of those PCIe ribbon riser/extension things instead?

After looking at my board I wouldn't be able to fit a x16 card even if I mod the connector. So one of those ribbon solutions would have to be the answer for that system. If I really wanted to go for it. I don't know if I really want to spend the $4 though. lol

Really I have been thinking about replacing the system with a newer board that has a x16 slot. Such as a Super Micro X9SCV-Q, but I am hoping for a newer release using a 70 series chipset. And also that it will work one of those Xeon Phi boards in it.
3784) Message boards : Number crunching : Xeon Phi (aka Knights Corner, MIC) (Message 1248980)
Posted 20 Jun 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Well with the way PCI-e connectors work, if you didn't care about any warranties, you could take an x16 card and actually cut the connector to make it fit into an x8 slot. Conversely, you can cut the end of an x8 slot so you can put an x16 card in there. Either way will work. Throughput will be half of the theoretical max for x16, but as we've seen around here on the forums, GPUs don't slow down much at all when put on x1.

I would probably feel safer screwing a heavy duty paper clip into my soldering station iron and carving out a notch in the connector. Rather than trying to dremel off the connector edge. I've been thinking of trying that on my MoDT system that only has a x1 connector since that system is starting to get wonky I wouldn't feel bad if I killed it.

Once these come out and some make their way into the hands of developers for app testing it will be nice to see how they compare in performance/cost.
3785) Message boards : Number crunching : Now you're talking (Message 1248799)
Posted 20 Jun 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I would imagine there should be some version of these in an x8 configuration. As most servers are setup for x8 cards instead of x16.


That's the very hope I'm living on...

I see way more x8 slots on server boards. It's marketed with the Xeon name, I'm hoping they plan accordingly.


[img ]http://images.anandtech.com/doci/6017/XPhiCard_575px.jpg[/img]
I'd say that's an 8x pictured here... :-D


(I may need to wait for some time to see some prices and probably wait for them to drop, but THIS looks like THE solution to adding parallel processing to my server. It would fit oh-so-nicely, and would work great with my existing hardware. Plus it can function as a system co-processor OR dedicated cruncher :-D, my dreams are coming true here... My only gripe, I could only fit one. (I only have 2 x8's and they are next to each other, and this is a double-width card))

That is a x16 card. If you notice the 3 short pins along the connector after the notch. Those are more or less the indicators of where it would end if it were an x1, x4, or x8 connector.
Also I found a large image of one of their sample cards where all 82 pins can be counted.
http://www.version2.dk/sites/v2/files/styles/original/public/wp_000237.jpg

I still bet they will make x8 cards though. Perhaps even x4 versions.
3786) Message boards : Number crunching : Three computers not automatically reporting tasks (Message 1248785)
Posted 20 Jun 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Does anyone know of any disadvantages to using the report results immediately in the cc_config file?

Ever since I installed Lunatics and have been downloading / crunching a lot more WU's I have had trouble auto-reporting and I set the report results immediately and everything is going smooth now. In fact when I woke up this morning, all my tasks banked up during the outage had uploaded and reported successfully so it couldn't be going better for me with this in place.

If you are reporting one at a time it causes a larger load on the server than if you were reporting 10.
3787) Message boards : Number crunching : Now you're talking (Message 1248430)
Posted 19 Jun 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
And what about Xeon Phi?

Intel is sticking to the goal of offering 1TFLOP of real world double-precision (FP64) performance; for comparison Tesla M2090 and Radeon HD 7970 have a theoretical FP64 throughput of 665GFLOPs and 947GFLOPs respectively.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6017/intel-announces-xeon-phi-family-of-coprocessors-mic-goes-retail



Oh yes!!!!! HAL!, They packaged it into pci-e cards!!!!!!! :-D That makes my day!

You want to place a bet on if they will be x8 or x16 cards? :)

I would imagine there should be some version of these in an x8 configuration. As most servers are setup for x8 cards instead of x16.
3788) Message boards : Number crunching : Three computers not automatically reporting tasks (Message 1248429)
Posted 19 Jun 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
All 3 computers have the additional work buffer set to 10.00 days. That seems to be working. None are running short of work. The upload box is set to 0 days. Upload is functioning. At times there are several hundred uploaded but not reporting. After forcing update I frequently see 100 to 350 tasks reported at a time but frequently it takes 3 to 4 manual updates to report all uploaded tasks.
I have seen similar behavior in the past but not as severe and it would clear up after Tuesday's Seti down time. This time it hasn't yet. Here's hoping for today!

You could always set them up to do a scheduled update on an interval of your choosing. I was suggesting that to someone else recently for a slightly different issue. Which can be found here.

I like using my computers list to see if any of them have locked up or are otherwise misbehaving. Having them update at regular intervals it very handy for that purpose.


I created a batch file and then used task scheduler to set it update every 3 hours. I'll back off on the schedule later. I set each computer to a different time within the hour.

Thanks for the info!

It is nice to have them update on their own isn't it.

Right now I have a main schedule that runs ever 6 hours at these times:
0:00, 06:00, 12:00, & 18:00
Then I have 2nd schedule that runs at these times:
03:00, 09:00, 15:00, & 21:00
That way I can just enable or disable the 2nd tasks to change the interval.
3789) Message boards : Number crunching : Now you're talking (Message 1247910)
Posted 18 Jun 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hrm, I want one.


Don't we all. <evil grin>

If someone here starts crunching with a machine like that, a lot of us will end up without work to crunch. ;-)

I configured a T620 on Dell's configurator with these main specs:
2 - E5-2690 2.90GHz, 20M Cache, 8.0GT/s QPI, Turbo, 8C, 135W
8 - 8GB RDIMM, 1600 MHz
8 - 300GB 15K RPM SAS 6Gbps 2.5in Hot-plug Hard Drive (In RAID 60 configuration)
1 - Dual, Hot-plug, Redundant Power Supply (1+1), 1100W
Which came to just under $20,000. If you reduced the memory and drives, which you wouldn't really need for a computing farm, it comes closer to $12,000.
So for the neighborhood of $3,000,000-$5,000,000 you could have the same amount of computing grunt as your disposal.

The T620 also supports some GPU's which could be used as well. It says up to 4 can be used, but I was only allowed to select 3 with my configuration.
2 - E5-2690 2.90GHz, 20M Cache, 8.0GT/s QPI, Turbo, 8C, 135W
8 - 8GB RDIMM, 1600 MHz
2 - 1TB 7.2K RPM SATA 3.5in Hot-plug Hard Drive (In RAID 1 configuration)
1 - Dual, Hot-plug, Redundant Power Supply (1+1), 1100W
3 - NVIDIA Tesla C2075 GPU computing processor
Comes to just under $23,000.
3790) Message boards : Number crunching : Now you're talking (Message 1247492)
Posted 17 Jun 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
They are talking of standard CPU Cores (Intel Xeon E5 Sandy Bridge)... See: Big Brain

Anyway, an I7-2600 with HT on (8 cores) gives around 8K RAC... around 1K per core so if the E5 performance were equivalent to the i7 then you can get a RAC of around 4,096,000 (or even more... if Im not wrong the E5 is like the i5 and dosnt use HT which gives more RAC per core)...

It took me 12 years to get 4 millions credits!!! (Im going faster now... but anyway... LOL)

The Xeon E5 processors come in 2,4,6, and 8 core configurations. Most have HT, but some of the 4 & 6 core versions do not. Depending on the thermal spec they are shooting for I suppose. As the E5 series is designed for 2 socket configurations I would guess they are settings up 2 socket nodes and interconnecting them in some fashion to get the shared memory access.

As they state the base configurations is 16 core configuration I would guess it is two 8 core processors. Unless they are counting cores with HT. Then it is probably just a single processor. It is still impressive that in the end they will have 256 or 512 processors in total.
3791) Message boards : Number crunching : Best RAM throughput 2 sticks or 4 (Message 1247253)
Posted 17 Jun 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hi, Ex, Like, errm its in the first post :¬) its a twin channel intel board.

Mark, I have the genral idea in my head to only fit what is `needed` whatever that realy is,
though 4GB will do ok, it has only 2GB atm and gets to 80<90% used running rosetta on the cpu plus everything else its doing.
Though it has two more PCIe @16 slots to fill if the system can handel it and when i can afford it.

Been googleing about to see if i can find anything out about this super cheep komputerbay ram,
and have decided to put it in the `you get what you pay for` group of almost unknown companies that will not last long with BOINC crunching,
Some comment say its ok, but not much more, others where DoA and after sales service was not the best,
different chips on relabeled boards sounds nasty, not for me. only a few where good to go from first post.

So i will go with the `Global Memory` whoever they are, i can not find out much about them either,
except their office is only 140 miles down the road so if things got real bad i can pay them a visit :¬)
At least their pricing gives a belivable feel to it being something that will last longer than the cheepono.

Priced between those two 4GB kits you listed I found a kit from crucial. Not sure if it is worth looking into for you, but at least it's a name brand.
3792) Message boards : Number crunching : Best RAM throughput 2 sticks or 4 (Message 1246956)
Posted 16 Jun 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
A few years ago one of the review sites, possibly tomshardware but I don't recall, did such testings. With a P4 using 2 1GB or 4 512MB sticks of RAM. Their testing showed the 2 1GB sticks were a few % faster and also used less power. They were using memory with the same timings as to not skew the results.
I distinctly remember this as this was done right after I had just recently bought 4 512MB for my P4 system. So I cursed for a while after reading it.

I have not seen anyone do any sort of review since then so I'm not sure if it still applies on newer hardware.

If you are trying to do some heavy overclocking. You may be able to get a higher overclock using 2 instead of 4.
3793) Message boards : Number crunching : Wha da heck (Message 1246664)
Posted 16 Jun 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Ya, she's rock'n 2 cores for the CPU app, one on each...


By the way, for a 6 core CPU, 40% uses 2 cores.... ;)

Figured it was better to mentioned it than not.
Using 2 out of 6 anything in the range of 33.33-49.99% should do it. IIRC entering 33.00% would cause only 1 of 6 to be used. Silly computers and doing exactly as they are told!
3794) Message boards : Number crunching : Wondering what the optimal amount of DRAM per CPU-Core/Thread is, while running BOINC? (Message 1246659)
Posted 16 Jun 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Even room for browsing the WEB, checking on e-mail and copy and paste text
or a screendump.
Normal amount of system processes running.

I have 4GB in my Win7 x64 system (dualcore), with 2xMB on CPU + 1x Collatz or 2x Milkyway on GPU and few programs I usually use I don't have more than 2GB in use (now for example just 1,76GB with 60 processes running), the only time I was over 3GB was when I was out of Seti WUs and was running 2x Rosetta on the CPU.


Rosetta is also known for it's high(er) memory use, like CPDN
So it appears, there isn't an optimal amount of RAM, maybe for a
specific OS and # of task(s).

Thanks to HAL9000 and Link, taking the time to answer and explain my (weird) question.

You can plan for a "worse case scenario" if you want. If these CPDN takes can use 1GB each and you are could run 8 of them at once. Then 12-16GB of RAM wouldn't be out of the question. If you never use more than 3-4GB then it just becomes extra cost. Other the other side. I have never seen a computer or program complain about having to much memory.

If you work with a lot of files or a few large ones often windows will also use your memory that isn't used by apps for caching. Which it doesn't really reflect in the "used memory" like you might expect. After transferring an 8GB file form one machine to another it might say you are only using 1.5GB of memory, but it has otherwise consumed all of it.
Windows 7 will show you this in Task Manager on the Performance tab in the lower left. Which sort of looks like this:
Physical Memory (MB)
Total		4096
Cached		1671
Available	3232
Free		1595

Once the value for "Free" gets low then a system starts to get slower as Windows is often not smart enough to release this memory correctly. There are a few tricks to try and force it to release the memory, but generally rebooting is the easiest solution.
3795) Message boards : Number crunching : Anonumous host throwing only errors, 3223 right now (Message 1246552)
Posted 15 Jun 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
oh boy it looks like im a culprit now! i changed the app_info in my 3 computers that are running GT 430's so that they will run 2 tasks at a time. one of these computers is now spitting out errors from what i can see (computer 6606314). i live in an apt during the week and these computers are at my house so i don't have physical access to them at the moment. can somebody look into the errors that system is putting out and tell me if they know what seems to be the cause? i'd like to fix it ASAP, thanks.

I think sometimes the cards just freak out and go on a killing spree. My GT 8500 does this about once a month without any consistent reason. I just reboot and I'm good until it occurs again.
3796) Message boards : Number crunching : Remote update of other Computers (Message 1246411)
Posted 15 Jun 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hi all.

I am wondering if there is a way to remotely update my other computers via the Boinc manager as I work in another country for 50% of the year on a two week rotation and my machines at home seem to need a manual hit of the update button from time to time and I think my son if getting fed up with walking in the rain to get to my computer dungeon to do it.

Any help appreciated.

If they just need a bump of the update button you could automate that using boinccmd.
Each machine could locally run:
boinccmd --project http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/ update
or you could have one machine doing all of them:
boinccmd --host Host1 --passwd (password from gui_rpc_auth.cfg) --project http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/ update
boinccmd --host Host2 --passwd (password from gui_rpc_auth.cfg) --project http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/ update

You could use the windows task scheduler to run these commands via a .bat file every 12 hours or whenever you wanted.


Two of my computers have trouble updating. Sometimes they haven't updated for days. I took your advice, created an update batch job and scheduled it. I don't think it can get any simpler than that. I don't have to babysit my remote computers anymore, I just check on them when I want to. Free at last!!

Doug

In the words of Ron Popeil. "Set it & forget it!"
3797) Message boards : Number crunching : Wha da heck (Message 1246409)
Posted 15 Jun 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I will try that, I like stream lining.. also, working great so far, had to use /affinity E, wasnt sure if running 2 CPU task's plus the GPU on just 2 cores would work, so using 3 cores right now, working pretty good......


Ninja EDIT:
Forgot to say thanks for all the help........ :D

Thank you...


Something I just thought of which might be important. However you might already be doing it, but figured I should mention it in case someone else comes across this info.
If you are not using the option to limit the % of CPU's you will probably still need to do that. When I had done this before and forgot to set that BOINC would still run 8 CPU instances on my i7-860. It would just run them all on the cores I specified. Running 8 instances on 2 or 4 cores isn't really the desired result.
3798) Message boards : Number crunching : Wha da heck (Message 1246202)
Posted 14 Jun 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I will try that...

Before I installed BOINC I made a BOINC folder, then put everything in there, the program data folder and the main BOINC folder....heh

Makes sense to me.

My main system at work looks more like this:
D:\BOINC\ Where BOINC resides.
D:\BOINC Apps\ Where my downloaded versions of BOINC, opt apps, rescheduler & such reside.
D:\BOINC CMD scripts\ Where I have all my boinccmd scripts to control my machines across the network.

I think it might drive me insane if I had them in a folder like you do. As having nested directories named the same as the parent makes me want to merge them.

Also I stopped using the CD command in favor of PUSHD. So if you wanted you could streamline it down to just:
pushd %~dp0
start /affinity 60 boincmgr.exe /s
3799) Message boards : Number crunching : Wha da heck (Message 1246193)
Posted 14 Jun 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Ok, I think I understand, I want:

My BOINC folder is on D:, and everything is in there.
Make a batch file with this in it and should be good to go??? (I copied and pasted your example and made a few changes.)

D:
cd boinc
rd notices /s /q
start /affinity 60 D:\BOINC\BOINC\boinc.exe --skip_cpu_benchmarks --detach
start D:\BOINC\BOINC\boincmgr.exe /s

This will start BOINC on it's own and have the manager to monitor it correct???
Right now I just use boincmanager to fire everything up.....


D:\BOINC\BOINC\ is your folder?

That should do what you want. The command boinc.exe --detach launches the BOINC client by itself. The next line launches the manager so you can fiddle with or see what is happening. On most of my systems I don't even bother running the manager.

You could also use
start /affinity 60 D:\BOINC\BOINC\boincmgr.exe /s
If you prefer to start it with the manager.

rd notices /s /q I don't know if you want that or not.
It kills the notices folder on each start up. As I use the older 6.10 manager with the 6.12 client I don't see any notices. So I kill it on start up in the event they build up a lot of stuff in there.
3800) Message boards : Number crunching : Wondering what the optimal amount of DRAM per CPU-Core/Thread is, while running BOINC? (Message 1246059)
Posted 14 Jun 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
As long as the system has sufficient memory for everything you are doing there shouldn't be any issues. In our test lab I determined that 2GB for 32-bit systems and 4 GB for 64-bit systems was a more realistic minimums than Microsoft specifies. Each CPU instance of the S@H app doesn't take very much to run. I think on my server where I run 24 at once it does use around 1GB for all 24 threads. That just has to do with the volume of tasks I'm running.


Well WIN XP or the SERVER version, doesn't need more then 1Gig per core, maybe
even less.
WIN7 needs a bit more, or handles memory better/more efficient, using the
same machine to browse the web, handle e-mail, while running BOINC,
more memory, RAM, improves responce and speed.

But, that wasn't the question :-).


Perhaps you could clarify your question.

It seems like you are asking for a RAM to CPU(core/thread) ratio that is optimal. Which doesn't really exist. The optimal amount of RAM, for the system, depends on what activities the system is doing.

As an example. I have 4 core systems that are crunching away at S@H & doing all of their required server duties with only 2GB of RAM. While others have 2 cores and have 6GB of RAM. As the ones with 6GB need more memory for the functions they are doing.

On my home theater PC I was running 8 threads of S@H, several other apps, & watching HD movies with 4GB. Which is sufficient for that system doing all of that.
3801) Message boards : Number crunching : Wondering what the optimal amount of DRAM per CPU-Core/Thread is, while running BOINC? (Message 1246034)
Posted 14 Jun 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
As long as the system has sufficient memory for everything you are doing there shouldn't be any issues. In our test lab I determined that 2GB for 32-bit systems and 4 GB for 64-bit systems was a more realistic minimums than Microsoft specifies. Each CPU instance of the S@H app doesn't take very much to run. I think on my server where I run 24 at once it does use around 1GB for all 24 threads. That just has to do with the volume of tasks I'm running.
3802) Message boards : Number crunching : trouble with a Microsoft update on Win #7 home premium. (Message 1246032)
Posted 14 Jun 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I did try and Boot into Safe Mode last night, but it Blue screened there too,

My Windows 7 x64 i7-2600K, my Windows 7 x32 Atom N450 netbook and my Vista x64 C2D E8500 all updated O.K

Claggy

You can boot off of your Windows 7 installation media and use System Restore from there, so try that first

What are the system recovery options in Windows 7?

I don't have Windows 7 on it, only Vista x32 SP2, and the Blue Screen Error is Unmountable_Boot_Volume

Claggy


A Vista disc should have the same recovery options. IIRC once you boot and select the language/region there is an option on the bottom left of the screen saying something along the lines of "Repair Computer". Which will then take you to the recovery environment.
3803) Message boards : Number crunching : Wha da heck (Message 1245974)
Posted 14 Jun 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I'll check when I get home from work...
I don't recall changing anything but it's possible......

Also, what could I use to keep two WU's on core 5 & 6???
going to start using a couple cores with the gpu on there...

There are several ways to keep BOINC & the processes on specific cores/threads of the processor. Here is one way, using windows affinity settings.
3804) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (75) Server problems? (Message 1245953)
Posted 14 Jun 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The forums seem slow to Me, is anybody else seeing this?

I think the Frankenstein hardware Matt used to replace the dead Thinman might not be taking its new job very well.


It's fine, the website issues aren't directly related to the new server. If you'll remember we were having issues before Thinman died.

I had noticed any issue before. As I had been otherwise occupied. It is good that it isn't a hardware issue then. *shakes fist at other invisible issue*
3805) Message boards : Number crunching : Wha da heck (Message 1245864)
Posted 14 Jun 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Am I missing something here.....

This rig here shows I have like 164 WU's to crunch, I let my cache run dry, as a just in case measure, to start using a couple CPU cores.
I went to check out the folder, there appears to be WU's in the folder, but BOINC is showing nothing.
Are them queued for download or s there 164 WU's lost in space??????

The files you see in your folder are probably just lost or orphaned files. Sometimes BOINC doesn't seem to delete a file once it is finished. Then as it no longer has a reference to the file it remains. I find several on various machines after a few months. Fred's reschedule tool has a function in it to check for lost files. Which lets you delete them easily.
3806) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (75) Server problems? (Message 1245858)
Posted 14 Jun 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The forums seem slow to Me, is anybody else seeing this?

I think the Frankenstein hardware Matt used to replace the dead Thinman might not be taking its new job very well.
3807) Message boards : Number crunching : Remote update of other Computers (Message 1245637)
Posted 14 Jun 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hi All.

Thanks for the suggestions, will download and give logmein a try, I thought it could be done via Boinc Manager with the select computer option but obviously not

It can. However you would need to open a port in your router at home for each machine you want to connect to. Then configure port forwarding for each external port to point to the machine you want to use.

Something like
Forward 42001 to 192.168.1.1
Forward 42002 to 192.168.1.2
Forward 42003 to 192.168.1.3
Forward 42004 to 192.168.1.4
Then from BOINC Manager you would connect to your home external IP address & port. Such as 64.1.2.3:42001
3808) Message boards : Number crunching : Three computers not automatically reporting tasks (Message 1245501)
Posted 13 Jun 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
All 3 computers have the additional work buffer set to 10.00 days. That seems to be working. None are running short of work. The upload box is set to 0 days. Upload is functioning. At times there are several hundred uploaded but not reporting. After forcing update I frequently see 100 to 350 tasks reported at a time but frequently it takes 3 to 4 manual updates to report all uploaded tasks.
I have seen similar behavior in the past but not as severe and it would clear up after Tuesday's Seti down time. This time it hasn't yet. Here's hoping for today!

You could always set them up to do a scheduled update on an interval of your choosing. I was suggesting that to someone else recently for a slightly different issue. Which can be found here.

I like using my computers list to see if any of them have locked up or are otherwise misbehaving. Having them update at regular intervals it very handy for that purpose.
3809) Message boards : Number crunching : Current Hardware Fundraisers for SETI at Home (Message 1245365)
Posted 13 Jun 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
We're going to start with:
6 workstation UPS systems
5 power strips

Basically we're trying to protect their workstation systems. Before folks start up on how we're not buying the most super awesome UPS systems, remember that their workstations are utilizing either a shuttle PC (Eric, Matt, Jeff, Lab machine, Dan) or a laptop (David, Andrew) along with a monitor or two and that's it. We're trying to simply provide a smoother power source that will result in less fried equipment.

Here's the hardware we're looking at:

http://www.apc.com/products/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=BR1000G&total_watts=200 QTY 6

http://www.apc.com/products/family/index.cfm?id=219 QTY 5

I should hear back on server UPS systems here soon. These may be beyond our ability to fund however there's no reason why we can't help them write grants/proposals and beg for hardware donations from manufacturers and retailers.

I have a version of the 1300va model of that UPS. Mine is something along the lines of 3 or 4 years old now. The only fault I can give it is that it underestimates the battery time remaining. Perhaps a F/W issue with my older model.

At work I just purchased 2 Smart-UPS X 1500va units to add to an older 1500va model we already had. The non-extended run time versions are much cheaper. Not sure if they like a few large UPS's or several smaller ones, but managed PDU's, AP7900 or AP7931, could be something they would be interested in as well.
3810) Message boards : Number crunching : Remote update of other Computers (Message 1245361)
Posted 13 Jun 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hi all.

I am wondering if there is a way to remotely update my other computers via the Boinc manager as I work in another country for 50% of the year on a two week rotation and my machines at home seem to need a manual hit of the update button from time to time and I think my son if getting fed up with walking in the rain to get to my computer dungeon to do it.

Any help appreciated.

If they just need a bump of the update button you could automate that using boinccmd.
Each machine could locally run:
boinccmd --project http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/ update
or you could have one machine doing all of them:
boinccmd --host Host1 --passwd (password from gui_rpc_auth.cfg) --project http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/ update
boinccmd --host Host2 --passwd (password from gui_rpc_auth.cfg) --project http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/ update

You could use the windows task scheduler to run these commands via a .bat file every 12 hours or whenever you wanted.
3811) Message boards : Number crunching : Team Credit wrong?!? (Message 1245238)
Posted 13 Jun 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Team credit is only built up while a user is a member of a team. If you have 10,000,000 credits and then join, or make a new team. The team will only gain credits that you generate from that point forward.
3812) Message boards : Number crunching : Similiar perfomance replacement suggestions for GTX295 Co-op (Message 1245222)
Posted 13 Jun 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Server versions support more GPU's? That seems strange, since the GPU is the last thing one would think about for a server, most have a simple VGA connection, or are headless, at least when I was in it a few years back. You'd think that the Ultimate version would be the one that is unlimited, at least in terms of this type of GPU support, that would make sense (and dollars for M$), but a server version? I dunno...

From various other project sites I have read that in Windows 7 you can get 4 ATI GPUs or 8 NVIDIA GPUs to work. They were specifying newer cards like 590's and 6900's for these configurations. The newer hardware may explain why they worked more so than the 295's.
3813) Message boards : Number crunching : Current Hardware Fundraisers for SETI at Home (Message 1245040)
Posted 12 Jun 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Sounds like they could use more UPS's at the lab more than anything else.

More UPS's and/or software to gracefully shutdown their systems when the UPS batteries get low.
3814) Message boards : Number crunching : Smartphone crunching (Message 1245038)
Posted 12 Jun 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I was not able to complete a Primegrid task in time with it. Milkyway it was able to do reasonably well. It actually ran faster than the PIII 850MHz machine I ran to compare.

How did you manage to run MW ? Each time I attach to project first tasks end with computation error and NativeBOINC refuses to ask more tasks from MW project after this...
http://milkyway.cs.rpi.edu/milkyway/results.php?hostid=450933

I do not know. It ran fine without my help.

I had the opposite problem with NativeBOINC always running. Even when I did not want it to. Such as closing it. Only to find it running later. I think that might be something T-Mobile did to the OS. As I find a lot of things spontaneously are restarted.

I might want to get a Nexus device to play with at some point. As products using that name are sot meant to have customized things done to them & just be a "pure" android device.


And your device and Android version ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MyTouch_3G_Slide with FroYo
http://milkyway.cs.rpi.edu/milkyway/show_host_detail.php?hostid=448127
3815) Message boards : Number crunching : Anonumous host throwing only errors, 3223 right now (Message 1244931)
Posted 12 Jun 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I did a bit of homework today to find out how many machines are mucking my end of things up (and many others to I bet) so here they are,

<snip>

and I bet that there would be many others besides them but the bigger question is, what are these doing to the load on the databases?

Cheers.

Even thought they are throwing out mostly errors they are still chewing though less tasks per day then several of the top machines. I imagine the global errors or invalid tasks per day would be something like 50,000-100,000 per day. However with around 2 million being returned a day it isn't that much. Drops in a bucket as they say.
3816) Message boards : Number crunching : Hey all! (Message 1244928)
Posted 12 Jun 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
hey all im new to crunching and only have a laptop to do it on. The project I have decided to support is seti@home.

I use this computer for mainly playing computer games like world of warcraft an surfing the web. My question is how much resources should I allocate to not affect computer to preform well and keep heat low as I want this computer to last.

I saw about this program on discovery channel and want to do my part in it!

There are several options configurable in BOINC to prevent the projects you are running from slowing down your system. One of the settings "Suspend work when non-BOINC CPU usage is above" uses a default value which should allow you to use your computer normally. Then when the CPU usage is lower enough they will kick in and do some processing.

Another option is "On multiprocessors, use at most x% of the processors". Where you could set it to a value lower than 100%, say 50%. So when things are being processed it doesn't use more than half of your CPU.

As far as extending the life of the computer. They are pretty hard to kill. Heat is en enemy of most electronics, but notebooks tend to have several thermal protection circuits in them to prevent component failure. I have a 7 or so year old one that ran things 24/7 for several years. It still works fine. It is just a bit slow for some things these days though.

It really just comes down to how much you want to have it do & how well it was designed to remove heat. You probably don't want to leave it sitting on a soft surface, like a bed, when it is crunching away. As notebooks tend not to get good air circulation sitting on soft plushy surfaces.
3817) Message boards : Number crunching : Smartphone crunching (Message 1244918)
Posted 12 Jun 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I was not able to complete a Primegrid task in time with it. Milkyway it was able to do reasonably well. It actually ran faster than the PIII 850MHz machine I ran to compare.

How did you manage to run MW ? Each time I attach to project first tasks end with computation error and NativeBOINC refuses to ask more tasks from MW project after this...
http://milkyway.cs.rpi.edu/milkyway/results.php?hostid=450933

I do not know. It ran fine without my help.

I had the opposite problem with NativeBOINC always running. Even when I did not want it to. Such as closing it. Only to find it running later. I think that might be something T-Mobile did to the OS. As I find a lot of things spontaneously are restarted.

I might want to get a Nexus device to play with at some point. As products using that name are sot meant to have customized things done to them & just be a "pure" android device.
3818) Message boards : Number crunching : My worthless non-GPU adventure (Message 1244909)
Posted 12 Jun 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
6,000 rac today.

I'm running tasks out of my laptop. I don't like the wear and tear, my fan has ran more revolutions on the laptop in the last week than it did in the previous year. It's not worth the strain on the system for its <500/day...

Anyways, as soon as my RAC number catches up with what I'm actually putting out, I'll then be dialing back my server to 35% (yielding 4,000 rac or so)

Looking forward to getting back to running my own stuff on my server, and seeing it sit calmly at night, instead of whining away like an overworked beast.

in the end of the adventure, I will still be putting out double the rac I was when I started. :-)


My i3-390 notebook was churning out a RAC of around 3500 before I spun it down for the summer. Which is pretty much the same CPU that you have without turbo boost. My 7 or so year old Pentium M notebook which ran 24/7 for several years, running stats & various other things, can still put out a RAC of around 600.

I am hoping for a mild summer so I can crank everyone up sooner than September. I might ever get the ATI card in my newer notebook going again to see what it can really do.
3819) Message boards : Number crunching : GPU On Fire (Message 1244906)
Posted 12 Jun 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have a fanless GT 8500 that was running around 80ºC. Which bothered me. So I stuck a fan on it. Which now has it running 50-60ºC.

It does spit out an error or two ever few weeks, but it also has been running full tilt, and overclocked, for at least the past 2 years. If not longer.
3820) Message boards : Number crunching : A newbie question concerning AstroPulse v6 work units (Message 1242592)
Posted 7 Jun 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Since AP6 came I turned my notebook into AP only, and I don't think I've gotten more than 2 at once. Before with v5 I often got more, 10 sometimes, and that was not on a AP only machine.

I've had 12 APs in all today, which I don't think is even enough for a whole day.

AP normally go fast, but if you are lucky you can get several.
3821) Message boards : Number crunching : My worthless non-GPU adventure (Message 1242458)
Posted 6 Jun 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I understand what you are saying. And I totally agree a video card is simply the cheapest way to add value to that p4 box.

But I could (and will) also upgrade to a cheap 64bit processor, just because the stuff I run for myself (desktop applications etc.) on that machine runs like garbage. ;-)

Processor upgrade @70$, not bad

(funny this little system was upgraded one thing at a time through the years, and is now containing none of it's original hardware- not even it's original case, but that new-ish mainboard is the reason I can do a 64 bit proc, so I'm thankful the system can still be brought (somewhat) up to date with yet another single part upgrade)

For the crunching:
What's the best pci-e video card I can get at or under 100$?

The 30's, 40's, & some 50's are under $100. With 60's being just over $100 in some cases.

If I were shopping today I would try for this EVGA GTX 460 card with a $25 MIR. However if I could not break $100 I would be deciding between this MSI GTS 450 card with a $20 MIR and this MSI GTS 450 card.
3822) Message boards : Number crunching : A newbie question concerning AstroPulse v6 work units (Message 1242453)
Posted 6 Jun 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hello! First post and I really don't know much about the whole Seti@Home process. I had things running on one computer for a while and then a team mate of my (who I hope is not now banished for life from here) got me into the Lunatic apps and I now have 4 machines running and crunching.

Anyway, my main box with an i7 and Nvidia card just suddenly got 5 AstroPulse 6.0 work units to crunch on. Is it normal to get 5 at once? Also, these are the work units that you accumulate a large number of "credits" for processing, right?

Just curious...thanks for your insights!

The BOINC client will ask for however many days of work you set it to. If you just started running AP6 on that machine the estimates will be high. So later you will get many more than 5 at once most likely.I have had a whole screen full of AP tasks on some of my machines in the past.
3823) Message boards : Number crunching : IPv6 launch - 06/06/2012 (Message 1242450)
Posted 6 Jun 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Here's my results..

Your readiness scores
10/10 for your IPv4 stability and readiness, when publishers offer both IPv4 and IPv6
0/10 for your IPv6 stability and readiness, when publishers are forced to go IPv6 only

Comcast. But I'm also using a 6-year-old DOCSIS 2.0 modem and an 8-year-old router. The site did say that the DNS servers have IPv6 Internet access though.

My current router doesn't support IPv6, but is the only v1 hardware. If I exchange it for the newer v3 Cisco RV042 then I would have IPv6 support. It would be nice if they made the model in GB. That would be a nicer upgrade. So I wouldn't have to use a 2nd switch for my boxes.
3824) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows 8 Release Preview now available (Message 1242432)
Posted 6 Jun 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
OK, regardless of what number it is..it's crap. So is the "new" server version 2012...

...wth is metro doing in a server? If Win 9 is anything like these 2 offerings...it's time for me to take some time out & switch network to Linux.


If the keep with the current numbering scheme then does that mean we will have another version of Windows 95, 98, & 2000? Provided they are business that long.
3825) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows 8 Release Preview now available (Message 1241731)
Posted 5 Jun 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I believe it's been mentioned many times before...unfortunately Microsoft by the release of Win 8 just confirms it...

All even numbered versions have been stop-gaps between the great odd numbered versions.

Roll on Win 9!

Wee are still on an even numbered version of the OS.
Windows 95	v4.0	OK
Windows 98	v4.1	Good
Windows ME	v4.9	Rubbish
Windows 2000	v5.0	Good
Windows XP x86	v5.1	Good
Windows XP x64	v5.2	Good
Windows Vista	v6.0	Rubbish
Windows 7	v6.1	Good
Windows 8	v6.2	TBD

As previous OS's listed the version number in their name I didn't bother to list them.


You missed the release of Windows NT which started the ball rolling (first fully 32-bit OS that all subsequent MS OS' are based on). It was released before Win 95 (Jul 93) so we are on an odd numbered release!

Do you mean Windows NT 3.1, 3.51, or 4.0? As I stated I didn't list the OS's which included the version number in the name. Such as Windows 3.11, 3.1, 3.0, 2.1, 2.0, 1.0 or any version of MS DOS.
3826) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows 8 Release Preview now available (Message 1241713)
Posted 5 Jun 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I believe it's been mentioned many times before...unfortunately Microsoft by the release of Win 8 just confirms it...

All even numbered versions have been stop-gaps between the great odd numbered versions.

Roll on Win 9!

Wee are still on an even numbered version of the OS.
Windows 95	v4.0	OK
Windows 98	v4.1	Good
Windows ME	v4.9	Rubbish
Windows 2000	v5.0	Good
Windows XP x86	v5.1	Good
Windows XP x64	v5.2	Good
Windows Vista	v6.0	Rubbish
Windows 7	v6.1	Good
Windows 8	v6.2	TBD

As previous OS's listed the version number in their name I didn't bother to list them.
3827) Message boards : Number crunching : My worthless non-GPU adventure (Message 1241678)
Posted 5 Jun 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Note, XP 32 (or any 32 bit OS) should have no problem with 4GB RAM, 4GB is it's max IIRC. It will not recognize MORE than 4GB.

The OS is limited to 4GB. However most of the hardware in normal desktop machines limits you to 3.5-3.8GB depending on the implementation they used. On the other hand I have a pair of 32-bit servers that are quire happy with 6GB. BOINC also seems to pick it up fine as well.
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3828) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows 8 Release Preview now available (Message 1241672)
Posted 5 Jun 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
While not listed in the system requirements you need to have a CPU with NX bit support. Such as a Prescott P4 or a 64-bit capable AMD processor. Otherwise you will get a message after installation that says:

Your PC needs to restart.
Please hold down the power button.
Error Code:  0x0000005D
Parameters:
0x030F0209
0x756E6547
0x49656E69
0x6C65746E
3829) Message boards : Number crunching : Too late to validate? (Message 1241376)
Posted 4 Jun 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

I think if you set NNT (until all is reported) the server bug will not make false resents to you?


Resends are still sent even when NNT is set.

No they aren't, not at this project anyway, at Einstein and other projects with older schedulers, yes resends are sent with NNT set.

Changeset [trac]changeset:21823[/trac]

•scheduler: don't resend work if client isn't requesting work


Claggy

Ah OK. I must have seen that with an older client version I was running then. By the date of that change set it looks like 6.10.58 and newer should have that change. I was probably using a 6.10.45 or seomthing when I had that occur.

That's the scheduler on the server, ie on synergy, not the scheduler in the client,
older version of Boinc (pre 6.10.x) used to still ask for work even if the preferences were set to not use a resourse, (it was a server side preference then)
Boinc 6.10.x and later used different preferences (i think they were combined on the website later) that stops Boinc 6.10.x and later from even asking for work,

Claggy

It seems like it was only a few months ago when I had set NNT on a machine and then proceeded to get numerous resends. Perhaps it was just much longer ago then it seems like.
3830) Message boards : Number crunching : CLOSED* SETI/BOINC Milestones [ v2.0 ] - XXIV *CLOSED (Message 1241374)
Posted 4 Jun 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Congratz Steve, HAL and Skildude for such a great milestone.

Congrats to everyone and whatever milestones they hit.
3831) Message boards : Number crunching : Too late to validate? (Message 1241281)
Posted 4 Jun 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

I think if you set NNT (until all is reported) the server bug will not make false resents to you?


Resends are still sent even when NNT is set.

No they aren't, not at this project anyway, at Einstein and other projects with older schedulers, yes resends are sent with NNT set.

Changeset [trac]changeset:21823[/trac]

•scheduler: don't resend work if client isn't requesting work


Claggy

Ah OK. I must have seen that with an older client version I was running then. By the date of that change set it looks like 6.10.58 and newer should have that change. I was probably using a 6.10.45 or seomthing when I had that occur.
3832) Message boards : Number crunching : CLOSED* SETI/BOINC Milestones [ v2.0 ] - XXIV *CLOSED (Message 1241269)
Posted 4 Jun 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
When I wasn't paying attention over the weekend I went and shot right past 50 million. I went and bought a loaf of bread in anticipation of my new toaster.*

*I actually am waiting on a new toaster I ordered from amazon.
3833) Message boards : Number crunching : Too late to validate? (Message 1241266)
Posted 4 Jun 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

I think if you set NNT (until all is reported) the server bug will not make false resents to you?


Resends are still sent even when NNT is set.

In related news I have had <max_tasks_reported>100</max_tasks_reported> set on my faster machines for some time. That seems to keep them happy when a large number of tasks build up.
3834) Message boards : Number crunching : My worthless non-GPU adventure (Message 1241241)
Posted 4 Jun 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
RAC 3,300. :-)

Well into new territory already.

In a day or two I'll probably hit 200,000. :-) I bet 300,000 comes much quicker when I'm now going at 10k/day. :-)

You should try 100k/day. Then numbers just fly past at that rate.



:-) In time friend. But my next big step will be into the 30,000/day area. and even that's not for a while. If only I had the parts collection I used to.

Perhaps by the time you are looking at buying more things the add in PCIe computing cards will be out & hopefully they will have a good PPW.
3835) Message boards : Number crunching : AP 6 credit compared to MB WU's still lower? (Message 1241238)
Posted 4 Jun 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
It's CreditNew.

It's a self-perpetuating downward spiral. It feeds off itself and gets lower and lower.

CreditNew has been called a random number generator several times since its launch by quite a few around here. Random number generator seems to be the most accurate explanation for it, too.

On my machine, running the Lunatics r557 app, I'm averaging 59.3 seconds per credit. Looking through my spreadsheet of the ~450 APs that I've done with r557, there really isn't much correlation between run time and credit granted, even for similar or equal amounts of blanking and pulses found.

I haven't crunched MB on this machine yet, so I don't know what the credit rate is for that.

I am glad they fixed the negative number generation that would sometimes occur when granting credit.
3836) Message boards : Number crunching : My worthless non-GPU adventure (Message 1241154)
Posted 4 Jun 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
RAC 3,300. :-)

Well into new territory already.

In a day or two I'll probably hit 200,000. :-) I bet 300,000 comes much quicker when I'm now going at 10k/day. :-)

You should try 100k/day. Then numbers just fly past at that rate.
3837) Message boards : Number crunching : Smartphone crunching (Message 1241071)
Posted 4 Jun 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hal, that is a HUGE drawback on Android....

Some apps allow you to install to SD, and some don't. Furthermore some apps that don't allow installation to SD, can often be moved to SD on rooted phones and sometimes even non-rooted phones.

It all has to do with the dalvik machine on which apps run. If they make some changes to that app, it can totally allow install to SD, but it's up to the Boinc ppl to do it, or (on rooted phones) you can try an app called "app to SD"(or others) or something like that to see if Boinc as-is would allow transferring it to SD.

I can see reasons for not allowing apps on the SD Card. It is removable storage after all. Internal storage being limited is crazy on some devices. I was looking at phones. One with 8GB built in only allowed 1GB for user storage. So making sure you have enough storage space is another issue when using mobile devices it would seem.
3838) Message boards : Number crunching : AP 6 credit compared to MB WU's still lower? (Message 1241068)
Posted 4 Jun 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I am seeing an average of 77.74923927 seconds per credit for AP and an average of 76.55507611 seconds per credit for MB. So it would seem AP is paying slightly less per second than MB is at the moment.
3839) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows 8 Release Preview now available (Message 1241064)
Posted 4 Jun 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I didn't have any issues in being able to download the ISO. I just went here http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows-8/iso, selected the languages I needed, and then downloaded. To download the Server 2012 release you need to have, or make, a MS Live ID. However it can be downloaded from here http://technet.microsoft.com/en-US/evalcenter/hh670538.aspx?ocid=&wt.mc_id=TEC_108_1_33
3840) Message boards : Number crunching : Smartphone crunching (Message 1240787)
Posted 3 Jun 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
If I found a tablet with a good enough CPU cheap I might consider getting one.

Maybe Viewsonic G-Tablet too? Quite cheap, 2-core 1,4GHz ARMv7 CPU, Tegra GPU... and crap display ;D.

One of pluses - it's completelly configurable. Few firmwares in the net, can be easely rooted and so on...

Those are $250-300 here. I was thinking more <$100 range. The price range I would be looking at may not have the CPU like I would want right now, but next year, or in 6 months, they might.

Also I wasn't able to get NativeBOINC to live on the SDCard. With my phone only having 140mb usable storage for apps I had to delete some stuff to be able to download tasks.
3841) Message boards : Number crunching : My worthless non-GPU adventure (Message 1240785)
Posted 3 Jun 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
You may be correct sir.
But you are speaking of credit per WU, I'm speaking of credit per TIME

If you look at my host, you will see that based on processing time of a unit alone, I'm getting 3x the credit.

simply put, 5000 seconds of processor time used to yield around 30 credits
and now 5000 seconds of processor time is yielding around 100.

My not Optimized WUs are disappearing from my list now, but every non Optimized WU that took time "y", was worth 1/3 the credit of optimized WU's taking time "y" to run...

My math cannot be wrong...?

I am new here and my understanding of credits is low. And I am NOT saying my computer is doing 3x as much work now, I'm simply saying I'm making 3x the credits per processor cycle, and on that I cannot figure the math in any different way.?

You could also say you went from 167 seconds per credit to 50 seconds per credit.
With the credit system variable now using seconds per credit isn't as useful as it once was. From your results it looks like you were running 11,000-12,000 seconds for normal AR tasks with the stock app and now you are running 4,000-5,000 seconds. Which is what you really want to compare. Generally normal AR tasks give about 100 credit.
3842) Message boards : Number crunching : Why does the latest anonymous app , report 4 cores on an i7-2600 with HT =ON (Message 1240700)
Posted 3 Jun 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
For what it's worth (if anything) ...

I'm running a 64bit win-7 with 16Gb mem core I-7 860 2.80Gh

I'm running one Lunatics app on CPU's 0,2,4,6 and another Lunatics app on CPUs 1,3,5,7.

running each test for 20 days I have found:

SSSE3 is 1.47% faster than SSE3
SSE41 is 3.84% faster than SSE3
SSSE3 is 10.57% faster than SSE41

I'm trying to test AK_v8b2_win_SSE3x.exe*32 V.S. AK_v82_win_x64_SSSE3x.exe but the server keeps crashing :-)

Ed F

I'm doing this kind of testing as well with my five i7-860 boxes. I ran the SSSE3x 32-bit vs the SSSE3x 64-bit for several months and came up with the 64-bit being about 9% faster. Now I am running SSE3 64-bit vs SSSE3x 64-bit. Right now it looks like the SSE3 might have a 5% advantage over the SSSE3x app, but it is still to early for me to say.
I know benchmark testing has showing that in the case of i7's SSE3 is generally faster, but differing hardware can have different results. however it seems like my hardware may fit in with those results.
Once I finish this testing I will be testing running fewer than 8 tasks at once. As when I had my home i7-860 running during the winter with 4 tasks (with HT enabled) at once. It was producing nearly the same RAC as my others running 8 at once. With only dual channel memory there may be an optimal number to run between 4-8.
3843) Message boards : Number crunching : Smartphone crunching (Message 1239623)
Posted 1 Jun 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Well, I did some test on G-Tablet.
All this based on assumption that PrimeGrid task progress is linear (don't know if it's true or not).

First 3 h tablet worked with dimmed display, next ~2h it worked with switched off display (power button was short-pressed)

For "display on": both cores give 0.01%/min progress.

With switched off display both cores give 0.011%/min and 0.0115%/min

So, looks like no slowdown and maybe even speedup.

But this should be repeated few times on different WU stages to be more or less sure.

Will leave GT-S5570 in dimmed screen state for night and see how linear progress is. For now it looks like some acceleration present in %/min ratio.

Are there Primegrid benchmark tasks? That would help evaluate without taking 80 hours.
3844) Message boards : Number crunching : Smartphone crunching (Message 1239621)
Posted 1 Jun 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
+1 Hal, it's going to be hardware specific on a per-device basis. You would need to hack firmware to change things like that...

I would imagine it could be changed in software. Something like the power config stuff in windows.

Once I get a new phone I will be more willing to hack up my current one. However I still need it to do things like "be a phone". If I found a tablet with a good enough CPU cheap I might consider getting one. As I could use it for things like VNCing into my HTPC w/o turning on my TV and such.
3845) Message boards : Number crunching : Smartphone crunching (Message 1239573)
Posted 1 Jun 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Question to those who already played with NativeBOINC some time:
currently I tuned it to max performance - devices don't switch off their displays, just turn off backlight. I would like to get them to switch off screens completely - but will this automatically lead to CPU freq downgrade? That is, will crunching with switched off display be slower?
Also, what will be if I short press Power button - do devices go to sleep and stop crunching at all (as netbook does in suspend/sleep state for example) or they will continue crunching with downclocked CPU or even w/o CPU downclock but just with switched off display/graphics? (last case can be even faster actually!).

Probably different with each device. If I press the button on my phone to turn off the display it does seem to slow down the CPU even though I set the option in NativeBOINC to prevent doing so. Otherwise it would dim my display but not completely shut off the backlight.
3846) Message boards : Number crunching : Smartphone crunching (Message 1239491)
Posted 1 Jun 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
wow 34 hours... my GPU can knock that WU out in 60-90 seconds

The beauty of smartphone crunching: your GPU still can do tasks blazingly fast, but some of them will go in addition. No one argue to replace GPU with smartphone AFAIK, smartphones just small nice addtion to BOINC farm :)

I would imagine the Performance Per Watt is very good. As I was not only able to run tasks, but charge the battery from a 2.5w USB connection.
3847) Message boards : Number crunching : Smartphone crunching (Message 1239484)
Posted 1 Jun 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
It asks for Host nickname, Address, port (31416) and password. Nowhere (and I have pressed all the buttons it has) is there a place for me to log into something. I even used the address that shows up on the bottom of my client's advanced view, no workie.

I'd try the following:

1. Attach to Milkyway or PrimeGrid with one of your PCs (with very low cache, if you don't want to crunch that on your PC) to create an account.

2. As host nickname you can probably choose whatever you want (of course nothing "complicated", single word only), adress I *think* is the e-mail adress you use for BOINC and password is your BOINC password.


@all: is there BOINC for (jailbreaked) iOS? I couldn't find anything useful so far...

It was mentioned that someone was working on it, but no mention of who it might be. Even if they can't get it into the App Store they could release it I suppose.
3848) Message boards : Number crunching : Smartphone crunching (Message 1239482)
Posted 1 Jun 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Who interesting can look at 2 my new hosts here (@PrimeGrid project):
http://www.primegrid.com/hosts_user.php?userid=49371

One of them is ViewSonic G-tablet and another one Samsung Galaxy mini GT-S5570.

Both running Gingerbread Android OS and NativeBOINC.

G-Tablet's performance look resonably good, it even has 2 CPUs.
Galaxy mini smartphone much slower. I doubt it can finish task before deadline, will see.

But BOINC is running on it too so it quite available for non-CPU intensive projects.


All thanks for Android OS port go to matszpk. Binaries and sources available at his Github repository: https://github.com/matszpk/native-boinc-for-android

My phone has the same 600MHz CPU as one of your devices. I was not able to complete a Primegrid task in time with it. Milkyway it was able to do reasonably well. It actually ran faster than the PIII 850MHz machine I ran to compare.

I would guess that 1GHz+ ARM CPUs would realistically be required to run the work for Primegrid & Seti@Home. I am looking for my new phone to be something like quad 1.4GHz. :D

I wonder if they will produce a binary for Seti@Home or if the one that was made to run on Ubuntu would work.
3849) Message boards : Number crunching : My worthless non-GPU adventure (Message 1239479)
Posted 1 Jun 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Boinc has its own settings to control cpu use and heat !
Just use BOINC`s own `preferences` setting, something like :- `on multi processors use at most 50% cpu`
And use optimized app`s
It works well here.

I did something similar on my i7 before I upgraded from the stock heatsink. Except I use the cc_config option to specify the number of CPUs to 4. Later I found running 4 tasks on that machine it produced a RAC very near my other i7 boxes, with the same i7-860 CPU, that run 8 tasks at once.

As far as non-GPU machines being worthless I am currently running 1 GPU. An old GT 8500. With my position by RAC being ~80 and position by credit ~130 I wouldn't say non-GPU machines are worthless.


Hell any of us could compete with GPUs if we had as many CPU's running at our disposal as you do. ;-)

Most of them are pretty old kit though. Nearly 75% of my RAC comes from just 6 of those machines. I could power on more but the older machines to tend to make one heck of a racket. Plus with the rack of servers we moved in here I'm not sure our A/C could handle the extra heat.

A newer $500-600 machine would probably replace 2 or 3 of my faster ones. I might get lucky and be able to justify a few new machines to "support Windows 8", but that is really up to the bean counters.
3850) Message boards : Number crunching : 62 AP_V5 Left In The Field (Message 1239430)
Posted 1 Jun 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
THE LAST ONE http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/workunit.php?wuid=931699188 is still out there after the latest outage.
Report deadline 9 Jun 2012 | 8:49:09 UTC

Looks like another forever stuck workunit.
Even if it gets returned (unlikely?), the WU will just stay in validation.

More important question is... when will the admins change astropulse status display in status page to APv6. Is it really that difficult?

That is what I suggested the other day would probably occur to that task. to which it was mentioned there have been some code changes. So we will just have to see what happens.

I imagine they are waiting for the counts to be 0 to change the display over. IIRC someone mentioned that is what they did for the v5 to v505 change over.
3851) Message boards : Number crunching : What the heck has happen to workunit credits? (Message 1239429)
Posted 1 Jun 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
A year, or was it two, they changed things with CreditNew. Which has its ups and down. There are a few topics on the subject.
3852) Message boards : Number crunching : My worthless non-GPU adventure (Message 1239415)
Posted 1 Jun 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Boinc has its own settings to control cpu use and heat !
Just use BOINC`s own `preferences` setting, something like :- `on multi processors use at most 50% cpu`
And use optimized app`s
It works well here.

I did something similar on my i7 before I upgraded from the stock heatsink. Except I use the cc_config option to specify the number of CPUs to 4. Later I found running 4 tasks on that machine it produced a RAC very near my other i7 boxes, with the same i7-860 CPU, that run 8 tasks at once.

As far as non-GPU machines being worthless I am currently running 1 GPU. An old GT 8500. With my position by RAC being ~80 and position by credit ~130 I wouldn't say non-GPU machines are worthless.
3853) Message boards : Number crunching : Why does the latest anonymous app , report 4 cores on an i7-2600 with HT =ON (Message 1239398)
Posted 1 Jun 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I had asked this about a year or so ago. As I was seeing my dual CPU Xeon systems reporting "1 x 2992 MHz" instead of 2 or 4. Also my dual 6 core Xeon box reports "Speed: 8 x 2390 MHz" instead of 12 or 24. IIRC I was informed that the bit of software they is use for the CPU detection comes form a 3rd party. So there isn't a lot they can do about it. I'll see if I can find that thread and drop a link to it.

Edit: Here it is Lunatics MB opt apps limited to counting 16 CPUs?

It is a bit funny comparing the older app to the newer one on my 12/24 core box.
SSSE3x Win64 Build 76 , Ported by : Jason G, Raistmer, JDWhale
CPUID: Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5645 @ 2.40GHz
Speed: 16 x 2390 MHz 

SSSE3x Win64 Build 386 , Ported by : Jason G, Raistmer, JDWhale
CPUID: Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU           E5645  @ 2.40GHz 
Speed: 8 x 2390 MHz
3854) Message boards : Number crunching : One Billionth (1e+9) WU is Approaching.. (Message 1239034)
Posted 31 May 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
If the daily return rate hold steady at about 770,000/day we should hit 2 billion in about 3 years then. More than we will hit a steady 1 million per day before that occurs. Bringing things closer to 2 years instead.


Except we are about to go offline for a day or two,
i think that may mess with the averages a little . . . .

Technical News. Power Part 2 (May 29 2012)

The good thing about averages is that one or two samples out of a large amount don't effect things greatly. As things are processed "offline", in regard to the servers, the servers uptime should not effect the average amount of tasks per day very much.

Maybe we should start a pool to try and guess the date workunit 2000000000 will be created.
3855) Message boards : Number crunching : Lots of Computation Errors on Cuda WU's HELP (Message 1238839)
Posted 29 May 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
On one of your machines has several results, like this one, showing the message:
' in file 'c:/[Projects]/X_CudaMB/client/cuda/cudaAcceleration.cu' in line 146 : no CUDA-capable device is detected.

One of your others is showing a lot of -177 ERR_RSC_LIMIT_EXCEEDED
3856) Message boards : Number crunching : One Billionth (1e+9) WU is Approaching.. (Message 1238826)
Posted 29 May 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

Did they start the workunit count a new when switching over to BOINC or pick up from where we had left off? Either way a billion is still an impressively large number.

From the Science status page, the science database has:

Workunits 1,141,579,552
Results 1,127,430,548
                                                                   Joe

If the daily return rate hold steady at about 770,000/day we should hit 2 billion in about 3 years then. More than we will hit a steady 1 million per day before that occurs. Bringing things closer to 2 years instead.
3857) Message boards : Number crunching : SAH On Linux (Message 1238818)
Posted 29 May 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
(From a motel somewhere in the Kimberleys)
I've been out of touch for a few days. I have a chron script running to adjust the "niceness" of the CUDA tasks to -5 which is roughly the equivalent of "Above Normal" in Windows. I tried -10 but it didn't make any difference as most of the processor usage is the CUDA tasks. The other running tasks only account for about 1% of CPU time.

I've checked the usage with both krellm and the Mageia Task manager. They both agree on the CPU usage per task.

Unfortunately The Monster had frozen up about 3 days ago. It ahs now been rebooted and is back in action.

I will be back home next week and will continue checks then.

Thanks for all the comments so far but can someone please explain why the Linux app uses more CPU than the Windows app ?

T.A.

Perhaps the linux CUDA code requires a bit more CPU usage then it does in windows, or something along those lines. Also it could have something to do with the older cards. I recall someone, as in one of the lunatics devs, had mentioned something along the lines of "the older cards have to do in software what the newer cards do in their hardware".
3858) Message boards : Number crunching : One Billionth (1e+9) WU is Approaching.. (Message 1238705)
Posted 29 May 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
If I may digress, I'd like to return to the thread's topic for a moment. Seems to me this is a significant milestone in the project's history. Oh, sure, there may be some glitches in the history of the numbering system, etc., but I'm willing to call it a billion, and I think a celebration or some recognition of the event should be considered. Hope someone calls the staff's attention to this event.

Thanks to Cosmic_Ocean for calling this to our attention.

Did they start the workunit count a new when switching over to BOINC or pick up from where we had left off? Either way a billion is still an impressively large number.
3859) Message boards : Number crunching : SAH On Linux (Message 1238701)
Posted 29 May 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Kind of makes me wonder how fast things would run if you booted Windows in safe mode. I would think you might get some improvement.

While in the process of waiting to set of several of my servers I ran BOINC from WinPE until I had the time to set them up. Which was a few months. I made custom PE build for the PowerEdge boxes I have. So it loaded up the embedded ATI GPU and SCSI controllers. While none of them have the GPU hardware to do anything I imagine it could be configured to work. Windows Server 2008 & R2 have an install option to run w/o a GUI in basically the same manor.
3860) Message boards : Number crunching : Add-On Software Suggestions (Message 1238391)
Posted 28 May 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
All my computers are on my network (part of it is via VPN to another location).

-MichaelMac


Is a VPN hard to establish? I have two networks now, one at home and one at the shop..is it difficult, or could you point me right place so I could set one up?


It could be easy, depending on your hardware. I have a Cisco RV042 which has VPN functions built right into it. So with one of those on either end it would be very easy for me to configure one.
3861) Message boards : Number crunching : 62 AP_V5 Left In The Field (Message 1238066)
Posted 27 May 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
spoiler

I'll let someone else analyse the history of that workunit...

Oh, almost forgot. June 1st, 11:23:30 UTC

And look it is going to end up stuck as well!

Why do you say that? Not arguing with you, but it looks like it's completed it's last three V5.05's without fault? It's just an older machine.

The Work Unit has been validated and credit granted. There is a known problem in the v505 validators. When this last Task comes in, it will either be marked "Completed, too late to validate" with no credit granted for the cruncher (like the first two), or it will be marked "Validation Pending" and hang in limbo until Eric rescues it.

Unless they patched to code for this that take will come and be in the "Completed, waiting for validation" state until they manually run the query to clear the stuck/hostage ones out. Which also seems to be occurring with the APv6 tasks.
3862) Message boards : Number crunching : One Billionth (1e+9) WU is Approaching.. (Message 1238061)
Posted 27 May 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
IIRC the database had/has an issue with number over 2 billion. See 2 Billion Results for more details. So luckily we are only halfway there. Another 7 or 13 years until they have to update that section. 0.o
3863) Message boards : Number crunching : Add-On Software Suggestions (Message 1238058)
Posted 27 May 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I can't seem to get this Boinc Tasks to connect to network computers

I keep getting a connect read error 102, it pings back and forth.

I have McAfee security on both machines, they trust eachother, the port 31416 is open on both machines...the only thing I can think of at this point..is I'm logged on as myself in BoincTasks and my Son is logged in on his machine. Could that be it?

Can you connect to the other machines using BOINC Manager? If you haven't setup your gui_rpc_auth.cfg yet that would defiantly be a problem. It is basically a text file. So you can open it with something like notepad, type that you want, save it, and then you may need to restart BOINC. Here is a link with some more info on it if you need it http://www.boinc-wiki.info/BOINC_Daemon_Password
3864) Message boards : Number crunching : 62 AP_V5 Left In The Field (Message 1237774)
Posted 27 May 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
spoiler

I'll let someone else analyse the history of that workunit...

Oh, almost forgot. June 1st, 11:23:30 UTC

And look it is going to end up stuck as well!
3865) Message boards : Number crunching : Too many tasks (Message 1237454)
Posted 26 May 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
No I have BOINC set to 1000GB. 1TB would actually be 1024GB. The vast majority of the machines I am running don't have anywhere near that kind of space on the partition where BOINC runs. BOINC will run out of room long before the software limit applies. I was using 10GB, but I got tired of seeing things like "Free space 45GB" "Free Space available to BOINC: 9.95GB".

My 24 core box with ~2000 tasks:
Total disk space 2 GB
Free Disk Space 1.19 GB

3866) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (75) Server problems? (Message 1237444)
Posted 26 May 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Apart from one awkward work unit, just managed to upload all my work units. Looks like someone has kicked something.

It does at that. The graph shows upload is around 17Mb at this point.
3867) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (75) Server problems? (Message 1237384)
Posted 26 May 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Looks like we are going to have to wait until 14:00 UTC Monday.
Server status page data has not changed since this morning so that crashed too.

Monday is a holiday here in the US. So more likely Tuesday.
3868) Message boards : Number crunching : SAH On Linux (Message 1237382)
Posted 26 May 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
In your windows tasks I see:

Priority of process raised successfully
Priority of worker thread raised successfully

In your linux tasks I do not.

It could be the linux app does record that information or the tasks are running lower priority.
3869) Message boards : Number crunching : Too many tasks (Message 1237377)
Posted 26 May 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Something like that. It'll work itself down now with the smaller cache. Think we've accidentally reached a limit here :). Talk about pioneering... Pioneering to the point of strangling itself. GPU fans/temps more constant.

I recall some of the mega GPU crunchers limit the number of tasks they get with the disk limit settings. Deepening on if BOINC counts bytes or kbytes something in the rage of 2.8GB-3GB would probably work for that machine. I use a limit of 1000GB in BOINC even though across my 30 some odd machines I only use about 3.5GB for all S@H projects.
3870) Message boards : Number crunching : 62 AP_V5 Left In The Field (Message 1237376)
Posted 26 May 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I'm calling this task Neo. With the status page not updating it could already be gone.
3871) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (75) Server problems? (Message 1237360)
Posted 26 May 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Uploads are not working.


Mmm likewise.

Yep, dead for everyone. Right around 9:30 UTC or 2:30 PDT

Yep something barfed all over the place... ;)

Yep, Just as Claggy mentioned several hours ago.
3872) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (75) Server problems? (Message 1237354)
Posted 26 May 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Uploads are not working.


Mmm likewise.

Yep, dead for everyone. Right around 9:30 UTC or 2:30 PDT
3873) Message boards : Number crunching : Too many tasks (Message 1237353)
Posted 26 May 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
And Manager's come to live again now. Cache 2 days.

The server is still showing you have nearly 8000 tasks on the machine. In progress (7998) Perhaps you just needs to keep it under 8000?
3874) Message boards : Number crunching : Add-On Software Suggestions (Message 1237346)
Posted 26 May 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Whats all this boinctasks stuff? I use ssh -x forwarding :-)

all kidding aside I will be installing this on my laptop as it will keep me from having to open prompts to a specific machine to see whats going on.

Thanks for the info.

I use BOINCView for that. I still prefer it over BOINCTasks.
3875) Message boards : Number crunching : SAH On Linux (Message 1237345)
Posted 26 May 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
All of the shorties I looked at for windows had an AR of around 2.7. Where the shorties that have run on linux are around 1.3. I'm not sure if about 3 times as long is par for those AR values, but it might help explain things.
3876) Message boards : Number crunching : Too many tasks (Message 1236697)
Posted 25 May 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Ok I think I have far too many tasks on my main machine 6008784.

I've come home to find the GPUs revving down & BOINC Manager 6.12.34 is unusable - all the tabs are empty apart from Projects & click any button & it just sticks at "communicating" message. The cache has been large but now seems 'too' large. I have reduced the prefs to 5 days from 10. Should I let it just work its way through it? GPU driver 296.xx monitor not powering down.

Client_state.xml is 14MB. Files are updating in explorer - I just don't have the GUI element at this time. Is there clearily a limit to how many tasks BOINC can handle?

GPUs seem to be up & down. It is of course warmer today but I can set the GPUs to fixed fan speed if required. Anyway temps are within normal limits anyway.

(What are http_temp files?)

I find more than 1000 tasks on a machine slows the GUI down depending on the machine. So I don't run the manager on most of my systems. Which makes it a non issue.

In my starts up for BOINC I have it delete all of the http_temp files. IIRC they are temp files from partial up/downloads.
3877) Message boards : Number crunching : Riddle me this... frequent HDD accesses (Message 1236549)
Posted 25 May 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
... I have one of my venues set with a checkpoint of 14400 seconds (4 hours). As all of the machines set to that run tasks in less than 4 hours. They don't ever have to write data to the disk while processing, in theory. I mainly did that for GPU only processing to see how it effected things.


And?...


Happy fast crunchin',
Martin

Results are TDB for that configuration. As I spun down those machines at home for the warm weather. Which my 25 yr old A/C doesn't cope well with.
3878) Message boards : Number crunching : Riddle me this... frequent HDD accesses (Message 1236516)
Posted 25 May 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Lol, it's not the light that bugs me so much as knowing those heads are moving for no real reason. :-)

[There is a file share in this house that has no leds hooked up for just that reason.]

Blinking LED = wasted power! or something like that lol

I have one of my venues set with a checkpoint of 14400 seconds (4 hours). As all of the machines set to that run tasks in less than 4 hours. They don't ever have to write data to the disk while processing, in theory. I mainly did that for GPU only processing to see how it effected things.
3879) Message boards : Number crunching : 62 AP_V5 Left In The Field (Message 1236512)
Posted 25 May 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
This is more fun than watching paint dry.

At least the paint has fumes to make it more amusing.:)
3880) Message boards : Number crunching : Development BOINC 7.0.62 (Message 1235934)
Posted 24 May 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The output from boinccmd --get_simple_gui_info seems to have changed since 7.00.25 and with 7.00.28 only includes active tasks. Is this intentional?

I used to use this to count how many WUs I had in my cache but as this no longer works I chaged to using --get_state.

C:\Program Files\BOINC>boinccmd --version
boinccmd,  built from BOINC 7.0.28

C:\Program Files\BOINC>boinccmd --get_simple_gui_info | find "  state: " | find " " /c
2

C:\Program Files\BOINC>boinccmd --get_state | find "  state: " | find " " /c
578

I use --get_tasks to get my task totals.
3881) Message boards : Number crunching : Smartphone crunching (Message 1235853)
Posted 24 May 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
[...] but eventually I got Primegrid to cooperate.


Didn't work for me, in lack of some matching science app.
"Message from server: Your app_info.xml file doesn't have a useable version of PPS (LLR)." However.


Now I'm working on a MW task. Hopefully it goes well.


I'm halfway through a 34-hour-MilkyWay task (29604 GFLOPS on a 800 MHz ARMv6 without *any* Caches).

Sometimes it can be finicky about downloading the application. I had to attach to MW 6 times before it would get the app. I'm pretty sure it is getting the app form the NativeBOINC devs site. I'm not 100% sure, but I think it might have finally worked when I disconnected the USB cable form my phone. Which doesn't make a lot of sense. As I have it set for "charge only". So the SDCard doesn't get unmounted or anything.

At 65.8% I'm estimating my total CPU time will be around 31.6 hours.

Based on what I was seeing with the primegrid tasks these ARMv6 CPU at 600-800mhz would probably be able to return Seti@Home tasks in time. As the deadlines are sufficiently long. Now they just need to bang out an app for I need to see if I can get the app form that Ubuntu release to work.
3882) Message boards : Number crunching : Disk Usage. (Message 1235551)
Posted 23 May 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Messages from the board, particularly the Climateprediction.nut, say I don't have enough memory for their purpose. I have 9.5 gigs available for Seti and Climaste.
Cherrs <axG.

Your computer has 2GB of memory.

When you say you have 9.5GB for the projects. Is that the free space on the disk or the limits you have configured for BOINC?
3883) Message boards : Number crunching : Riddle me this... frequent HDD accesses (Message 1235549)
Posted 23 May 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thought - your 8 cores are checkpointing in sequence on a 30second cycle rather than all at once...

I concluded that is what was occurring on my 24 core box as I was getting pretty constant disk access from tasks. So I shoved BOINC into a ram drive that auto saves once per hour.
3884) Message boards : Number crunching : 62 AP_V5 Left In The Field (Message 1235548)
Posted 23 May 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Still 4 Results out in the field, 1 Results returned and awaiting validation.

This thread reminds me of an old Orbit@home thread from 2009 / 2010 http://orbit.psi.edu/oah/forum_thread.php?id=314&

Don't get excited but it is 3 & 1 now.
3885) Message boards : Number crunching : nVidia 301.42 WHQL Driver Released - DVI sleep fix (Message 1235442)
Posted 23 May 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
They should have waited until Friday to release this driver. As it is obviously the answer.
I am glad they finally fixed the memory size reporting issue for my GT 8500 256MB card.
3886) Message boards : Number crunching : Smartphone crunching (Message 1235434)
Posted 23 May 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Just in case I missed that, aren't there any ARMv6-compatible third-party-compiles for Android (specifically, S@H)? NativeBOINC for Android on my Samsung.

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/show_host_detail.php?hostid=6655807

Your CPU seems to be the same type as mine. Just a bit faster.
http://www.primegrid.com/show_host_detail.php?hostid=258738

I had issues initially with getting NativeBOINC to use the apps they made for it, but eventually I got Primegrid to cooperate. Now I'm working on a MW task. Hopefully it goes well.
3887) Message boards : Number crunching : Hang on wingys, I'm trying.......... (Message 1235394)
Posted 23 May 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Meowgrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.
Apparently in the midst of all these other upgrades and recovery on the rig, my GTX465 died. I tried bringing the rig up with just the 465 and there were nothing but video artifacts......
Crappins......
Nothing like multiple failures to add a little drama to the mix.

Not sure yet if that was a donated card or one of those I have covered under the EVGA warranty. I do have a few self purchased card that are registered.

Added a 560 instead, and am loading drivers in safe mode. Painfully slow.

Ahh, well. Tomorrow is another day.

Meow.

Man that us bum luck. However at the rte you are losing hardware you will soon be able to run 24/7 without any cooling issues. Let us hope it doesn't come to that!
3888) Message boards : Number crunching : Slow and steady: Crunching on the cheap (Message 1235392)
Posted 23 May 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Haha, ok so now I know I'm the only one that can see my computer names. Thanks for pointing that out early on for me HAL9000. Haha, my bad.

Thank you for all the advice. I find this really interesting SETI as well as the crunching side.

Steve, I dowloaded and installed the lunatic apps as well as the cpuid software on my two older computers. Great stuff. When I turned on BONIC for the first time all of my WUs errored out http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/results.php?hostid=6654307 but all seems to be working fine now. I originally had it set to SSE3 and then switched it to SSE2. I don't know what either of these mean but SSE2 didn't cause any errors so I stuck with it. How do I know wether to use SSE2 or SSE3? I felt like SSE3 was the correct decision initially, but now I don't know.

True Ian, the old PCs don't generate much credit but I kind of like the "survivalist" feel of pushing old technology to the limits. I had fun taking those old PCs and uninstalling/stripping every piece of software off of them that wasn't needed, and then tweaking all the system settings for max processing.

The units are faily dust free, thanks to copius amounts of compressed air and my wicked vacumming skills, haha! The one unit that was running hot has it's processor mounted directly under the power block (it's a tower system). Thus, the exhaust fan was always on trying to keep up. Taking off the side cover solved the problem of the noisy fan.

I don't know why this PC http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/show_host_detail.php?hostid=6615613is only pushing 836.54 for a floating point speed. Maybe there are more running processes that I can disable? The only "weird" thing about this PC is that it's connected to the internet wirelessly only because I don't have a spare LAN cable. Could the wireless connnection be a processor drain?

In any case there, Tazz beats me out with his underperformer.

Good call on looking for a cheap GPU. Now that I know what models to be looking for I can keep an eye on eBay for something cheap.

Does anyone run BOINC on a laptop? A girl I work with just today offered me her laptop for SETI use when she gets a new one in the coming weeks. I feel like a laptop will run really hot, not much open space to work with in there.

Thank you for all the advice & answers everyone![/url]

I think it is included in the Lunatics readme, but in case it isn't. You can use an application such as CPUz to find the abilities of your processor.
3889) Message boards : Number crunching : Smartphone crunching (Message 1235387)
Posted 23 May 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
the average turn around time on a Cullen woodall sieve is 12.5 hours. I'd say you are going very very very slow. 4 hours for 1% means that for a 12 hour WU it will take you 400 hours. that's around 16.6 days to complete.

After a longer run time it comes out to to more like 1.68% per 4 hours or .007% per minute. Which comes out to about 9.9 days. With a task limit of 7 days that is just a bit long.

Doing some math. The RaspberryPi system would probably take about 8.4 days. If it's 700MHz vs my 600MHz is directly comparable. So the sub GHz range may not be viable for a large range of projects at this time. With a 1GHz processor taking an estimated 5.9 days for that task.

I'll see what kind of results I get with MW next. If that doesn't work our well either then hopefully one of the new phones I'll looking at getting this year will with their ~1.5GHz quad-core goodness.
3890) Message boards : Number crunching : The reason for the recent outage... (Message 1235080)
Posted 22 May 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I usually find power companies are pretty interested in maintaining their equipment. As when your power goes out they are actually loosing money. Unlike others such as phone or cable service.

With the failure of the current buried cable. I would hope that whomever is responsible for the run would plan to replace it before another failure occurs.

Over the past few years my local power company has been adding or replacing all of their underground cable runs to the pad transformers. It could have something to do with all of the solar panels they have been putting on the poles, but since they have done so the power outages and brownouts that were very common in this area have stopped.
3891) Message boards : Number crunching : Smartphone crunching (Message 1235042)
Posted 22 May 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
which primegrid project?

Cullen/Woodall Prime Search (Sieve). Which is the only one they have an application for right now.

Edit: Something a bit odd I noticed with Android System Info. It shows 100% CPU usage, but doesn't list the science app that is doing the processing. Does anyone use or know of other good "task manager" type apps for Android?
3892) Message boards : Number crunching : Welcome to the 13 year club (Message 1235041)
Posted 22 May 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have 2 accts, i wonder if i can merge them?

June and May '99

Nope.
3893) Message boards : Number crunching : Smartphone crunching (Message 1234847)
Posted 22 May 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
IIRC MW does not use the FPU which is the reason for the relatively fast times. Seti is a completely different animal

Perhaps I should have run that first instead of primegrid. As I'm at 1% after 4 hours.
On the plus side 4 hours of it crunching with the screen on only took the battery from 100% to 40%. At which point it didn't get warm at all.
However plugged in and charging it is now generating some heat. So I took an old P4 heat and turn it upside down and then sat the phone on it. To help draw some heat off of the battery.
3894) Message boards : Number crunching : Hang on wingys, I'm trying.......... (Message 1234841)
Posted 22 May 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Perhaps some homemade geothermal cooling would be in order. Where you bury a tank, or pipes, in the ground at the appropriate dept for your region where it remains cool. Then plum it inside through a radiator to transfer the heat out, or cool in depending on your viewpoint.


Lets see, that would most likely be about 50 feet or so down here in Arizona.

Wow. I didn't figure it would be that deep. Where I lived in OK it was nice and cool only a few feet down. However that might have something to do with the soil being mostly clay.
3895) Message boards : Number crunching : Slow and steady: Crunching on the cheap (Message 1234838)
Posted 22 May 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Just so you know. No one can see the name of your computers. Only you can see that. Some people put links in their sig with the names, but however you want to refer to you machines is fine with me.
For trouble shooting or something it is often quicker to include the ID number. I am guessing 6615613 is your Badfish one?

836?! Something must be broken. I've got an old PIII 850MHz that benches about 850. Actually doing some math and comparing your machine to other P4's I'm running. That benchmark seems to be around the right value for the speed of the CPU.

If you have fan that are running full tilt with the cover closed and then they slow down with the cover open. Then it might be a case of the airflow being stopped up with dust bunnies. You might even have a little furry mat of dust between the CPU and its fan.

Hyper-threading in P4's is generally a good thing to have enabled. There are different kinds of P4's chips and you can get different results depending on which app you run on which CPU. It looks like you probably have a Prescott P4. Which among other things had the SSE3 instruction set.

As Steve mentioned you probably will want to install the Lunatics optimized apps to get more "bang for your buck".

Then depending on what kind of motherboards you have you might be able to do a bit of overclocking on the older ones.

Even if you don't do either one of those things you can defiantly tweak the OS to shut off unneeded services and such. Which will free up what precious few processor cycles they have.
3896) Message boards : Number crunching : Changes in BOINCstats Page (Message 1234821)
Posted 22 May 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Rank by Sign-up date, seems to be missing on the new page. It doesn't show my sign-up date at all, and on the old one, if you clicked on the last line before the charts, it took you to a page ranking users for your sign-up date.

Does anyone know if it is still available and just moved, and if where?

Thanks,

Brett

It is in the same location. Make sure you are on the project you want to view and not your account page for all BOINC stuff.
3897) Message boards : Number crunching : Hang on wingys, I'm trying.......... (Message 1234710)
Posted 21 May 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Perhaps some homemade geothermal cooling would be in order. Where you bury a tank, or pipes, in the ground at the appropriate dept for your region where it remains cool. Then plum it inside through a radiator to transfer the heat out, or cool in depending on your viewpoint.
3898) Message boards : Number crunching : Hang on wingys, I'm trying.......... (Message 1234629)
Posted 21 May 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Well...it's running. And in the nick of time. Doing tasks with a deadline of tonight.

Still a couple of hitches to work out.
Boinc is only using 1 GPU because Windows won't start the second one. GPUZ sees it, but.......
And there's a little update I have to find again for .NET so I can run a modified Boinc manager. I installed what I thought was the latest version (4, 4 extended), but no go yet.

Gotta run off to work now, hopefully it can crunch up the cached WUs due tonight before they expire.

Many thanks to everybody who offered tips and advice.

Meow meow meow.


Later versions of .NET don't supersede earlier versions. If you have something that says it requires 3.5 or 2.0 or whatever of .NET then that is what you need to install. All versions of .NET can co-exist on the same system. I just install them all.

Previous installers for .net were cumulative up to 3.5 SP1 if you get the full install package. The 4.0, and newer, installer packages do not include older framework. If he was grabbing then through windows update then he is probably OK. IIRC it only presents you the upgrade to the next version of .net framework from where you are at.
3899) Message boards : Number crunching : Running multiple GPU tasks on one video card. (Message 1234557)
Posted 21 May 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thanks for the reply. I found the file, but have another question. I know my new 560's have 1.2 gig of ram, not sure about the 285, but I know the 260 doesn't have a ton of ram, so I would like to start out by having only the 2 560's doing multiple units. I read thru the file as best as I could but it appeared that the <count>1</count> settings were per app, not per card. Is it possible to spec that setting on each piece of hardware, or is it a global setting per application? Thanks!


If I understand the question, it's per application. If you tell it <count>.5</count> it will try to run two work units at a time on each piece of hardware.

Frankly, I don't know what happens if you try to run two WUs on a GTX 560 and two on a GT 240 (that can't handle it) in the same computer.

If the other card, in this case a GT 240, has enough memory it will run 2 at a time. Just much slower than makes it viable. Alternatively if the other card doesn't have enough memory there are a few things that can occur. None of them good.

They'd be better off removing the 240 and just running 3 WU's at a time on the 560

They could also run the 240 in a separate instance of BOINC, but that defeats the purpose of stuffing several GPU's in one box I think.
3900) Message boards : Number crunching : Hang on wingys, I'm trying.......... (Message 1234550)
Posted 21 May 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:


But if I am not mistaken, to get Seti going again, I need to install my 6.10.58 and then overwrite the Boinc program and Boinc data folders with the ones I saved from the dying HD.
Correct?


OK...LOL.
I'll think about solar panels and slipstreaming later.

But back to the crux of the matter...
I have not tried to save an existing Boinc installation before.
Is this what I have to do?

I would think you would only need to restore your data folder, but if you have other stuff in your program folder restoring it won't hurt.
3901) Message boards : Number crunching : Welcome to the 13 year club (Message 1234531)
Posted 21 May 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
May, June, October, I see... would be very interesting who's the "oldest" user, possibly one of the S@H scientists ? ;-)


Gotcha by 2 hours and 3 minutes.

http://stats.free-dc.org/stats.php?page=user&proj=sah&name=7825457

They record May 17th as the "official" public release of the original Seti@Home, but there are people that were on before that date. If you go to the classic site you can view the Registration Index for Active Users & find the "first ones". Then you can use something like the User By Date Stats from the stat sites to see which of them are still active.

The oldest & most active use I can find is Niteryder.
3902) Message boards : Number crunching : Smartphone crunching (Message 1234527)
Posted 21 May 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
If you want to mess about with low power computing why don't you get a $30 Rasberry Pi? Rather than devote $500+ cellphone to crunching you can power one of those boards off a wall-wart, drawing a couple of watts, with no cooling issue etc.

http://www.raspberrypi.org/

Similar ARM CPU, runs Linux off a SD card, has USB, Ethernet, video out etc. It's a proper little PC.

Ian

I would think the idea is to use old phones that you are no longer using or a current current phone while plugged in/charging. Instead of purchasing a dedicated ARM cruncher. Granted there are some that would do it just for the fun of setting up 50 of these little guys.

The processor on that looks to be about the same as what I have in my current phone. If I can ever get the Native-BOINC to run the apps they made for it on android it would be nice to compare the two.
3903) Message boards : Number crunching : Hang on wingys, I'm trying.......... (Message 1234526)
Posted 21 May 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
All other rigs are shut down and it's still 84f in the crunching den.

Just out of curiosity...if you can afford running that many power-guzzling rigs, why can't you just get an AC unit for a price of one rig? That way you'd need to shut down only one rig and let others crunch cool.

Well, not exactly.
I have but one window in the house that can accept an AC unit. I have the largest one I could get that will run on the 120v branch circuit in the garage.
14,700BTU...
That equates to about 4,300 watts.
My top 2 rigs can each draw about 950w when crunching shorties.
The #2 rig has a refrigeration compressor cooling the CPU which draws around 500w. My #3 rig is at about 750w, my daily driver around 450w.

That's 3600 watts for 4 rigs, leaving 700 watts for the other 5 rigs.
Even assuming the AC would always run at peak efficiency, which drops as the ambient goes up, you can easily see why the AC cannot possibly cope with the heat output of the farm. In addition, the AC is at one end of the house, and the crunching den is at the other, so I have to use booster fans to get the cool air going one way and the hot air back to the AC.

And obviously, I would be paying the electric bill to generate the heat, and just as much to run the AC to get rid of it.
So, in a nutshell, I shall run what I can cooling with ambient air, and if temps outside go much over 85f, the rigs go down and the AC goes on to keep myself and the kitties in acceptable comfort.

Solar panels. If you can't afford the cost of them, there's a company (it was featured on Ask This Old House a few weeks ago) that will install them at no cost to you. Of course, you don't get the power for free that way, but it is discounted to you.

There are also companies that basically lease your roof space for solar panels. They install/own the panels. Depending on the company you either get a check for a percent of the power they generate or a reduction on your bill.

Perhaps something like that would work for the kitty crunching lounge. Perhaps making adding another smaller A/C viable in the money department. Which might allow the rigs to run when it gets in the low 90's or something of that nature.
3904) Message boards : Number crunching : Running multiple GPU tasks on one video card. (Message 1234497)
Posted 21 May 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thanks for the reply. I found the file, but have another question. I know my new 560's have 1.2 gig of ram, not sure about the 285, but I know the 260 doesn't have a ton of ram, so I would like to start out by having only the 2 560's doing multiple units. I read thru the file as best as I could but it appeared that the <count>1</count> settings were per app, not per card. Is it possible to spec that setting on each piece of hardware, or is it a global setting per application? Thanks!


If I understand the question, it's per application. If you tell it <count>.5</count> it will try to run two work units at a time on each piece of hardware.

Frankly, I don't know what happens if you try to run two WUs on a GTX 560 and two on a GT 240 (that can't handle it) in the same computer.

If the other card, in this case a GT 240, has enough memory it will run 2 at a time. Just much slower than makes it viable. Alternatively if the other card doesn't have enough memory there are a few things that can occur. None of them good.
3905) Message boards : Number crunching : BOINC 7.0.25 (64bit) only sees 1 ATI 5870 GPU (Message 1234493)
Posted 21 May 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
From the posts I have seen over the years using <use_all_gpus>1</use_all_gpus> to get all GPU's to work is often required.

Did you change from 6.x to 7.x or just an upgrade from and older 7.x to 7.0.25 when you noticed this?
3906) Message boards : Number crunching : Changes in BOINCstats Page (Message 1234492)
Posted 21 May 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
It takes a wide screen monitor to fit it all on sideways.
Tabs all over the @*&%"** place.
the long term graph for `last five years has gone` though i can live without it.
The colour scheme must have the name of `refrigerator` or `fuzzy ice blue`
definetly taking the pastels on that one.

As I am limited to 1024x768 both Free-DC and BoincStats force me to scroll over. Based on the stats we use at work this is still a very popular resolution. So it is sad that some web developers are ignoring it.
3907) Message boards : Number crunching : Hang on wingys, I'm trying.......... (Message 1234488)
Posted 21 May 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The simple answer to sliptreaming the SP:
"Windows XP x86 SP3 English.exe" /integrate:"D:\Windows XP Pro x86 SP2 (English)"
Where "D:\Windows XP Pro x86 SP2 (English)\" is the path to the root of the disc files you copied to your machine.

I like to use Pismo File Mount Audit Package and mount the ISO of the disc as writable. Then once you run the integration it is just a matter of unmounting and burning the new disc.

Also here are some instructions I had a link to for integrating and putting drivers in from the days of old.
http://www.maximumpc.com/article/How-To--Slipstream-your-XP-installation
3908) Message boards : Number crunching : What is going on with this work unit? (Message 1234483)
Posted 21 May 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
That was almost a month ago. Something should be done to clear the database. On the other hand mine is worth about 150 more credits which looks like neither of us will get. That is not the worst thing in the world but I do not like wasting energy, I was trained as an economist.

They just recent got around to clearing out the stuck/hostage v5.05 ones stuck in this state. There is a thread Completed Too Late To Validate - the Hostage AP 5.05 Work Units. With luck they will be able to plug the hole that causes this to occur or have an automated way of taking care of these guys.
3909) Message boards : Number crunching : Tired of babysitting (Message 1234480)
Posted 21 May 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Guess I just got pissed off after the outage. Took me hours to catch up. Guess I shouldn't look at it so much as well. I learned how to juggle at when I worked at Apple waiting for these friggin' things to complete their tasks. Friggin' slow silicon, friggin' slower internet, friggen' slow algorithms!!! I'm a friggen' American for Chris' sakes!!! I want instant gratification!!!

I suppose I should either juggle now or turn to basket weaving.

Doug

What do you think this is Japan? :P

I use a bit of scripting to run boinccmd to have my machines update over 6 hours. If they need to or not. Is it the same effect as pressing the update button in the GUI. I did a post in a thread with a basic how to a while back. I'll see if I can dig up that post. If not I'll see if I can hammer out some instructions if you want. Which may not be a bad idea to update things even if I can find the post. As I do things with powershell noiw to make it a bit easier.
3910) Message boards : Number crunching : Changes in BOINCstats Page (Message 1232985)
Posted 18 May 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I agree. A step backwards. It does not even display your total BOINC credits on the main user page.

Except where it indicates "Current Credit based on incremental update". Which is the same as before.
3911) Message boards : Number crunching : Changes in BOINCstats Page (Message 1232975)
Posted 18 May 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The only changes I see are some different colors and the fact there are tabs to break up the information now. It is quicker loading for the people with slow connections I would imagine.

I don't really feel one way or another about it.
3912) Message boards : Number crunching : lunatics (Message 1232822)
Posted 18 May 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
1. Go to the download site.
2. Download the installer for 64-bit or 32-bit.
3. Run an application such as CPUz to determine which apps to choose during installation.
4. Run the installer you downloaded selecting the correct apps for your CPU's and/or GPU's capabilities.
3913) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (74) Server problems? (Message 1232793)
Posted 18 May 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
They turned the juice back on!!!!

Meow meow meow!!!

I got cran/raspberry.
Most of the log jam of uploads I had are sent. With luck the recovery for 48+ hours down will be rapid.

I hope the UPS's were able to shut everything down as gracefully as possible.
3914) Message boards : Number crunching : Smartphone crunching (Message 1232534)
Posted 15 May 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I just bought a smartphone 3 weeks ago. I can feel the thing warming up just from doing a google search, Or Playing solataire. No way would I crunch on it.

My data plan is for 4GB a month. Im am wondering what crucnhing 24/7 would do to that.

My 30 or so machines at work use about 3.5GB per month for SETI@Home. Which includes all traffic to/from berkeley.edu & not just the tasks transferred.

If your smartphone can do work fast enough to transfer more data than that I should like one to replace those 30 machines I'm using. :D

With many review sites comparing various smartphones & tablets I would hope that we might be able to use that as a scale to compare S@H performance.


Thank you for that info Hal, I would have guessed you would have used a lot more. Not that I will start crunching on my smartphone but there is one obstacle out of the way.

With the download data being about 370KB and the return data being about 30KB you could use 400KB per tasks to calculate your usage. So if you did 1 tasks a day that would be about 12MB per month. Then you can take 12MB * tasks per day. So 100 per day would be about 1.2GB or so for a rough number.
3915) Message boards : Number crunching : Almost time for the next outage isn't it ??? (Message 1232526)
Posted 15 May 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Nah Californians are still tucked up in bed dreaming of meeting ET. At least another 4 hours before they start pulling out the plugs.

Actually, I believe they usually get into the lab at 8am Pacific Time, which is 1500 UTC or about 10 minutes ago. Then they take at least half an hour to do routine stuff before they start the outage.

Every now and then someone gets in early. I have see everything go down before 11:00 AM US Eastern time.
3916) Message boards : Number crunching : ATI/AMD GPU owners... (Message 1232524)
Posted 15 May 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Good news that other projects are expanding support. In the past I have run Collatz & PrimeGrid on my ATI's for backup projects. IIRC they still required OpenCL support, but I don't recall if they have max workgroup size requirements for older cards for not.
3917) Message boards : Number crunching : Max tasks per day?? (Message 1232519)
Posted 15 May 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have yet to see this ever be used as a limit. I think maybe it has not been enabled yet.
3918) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (74) Server problems? (Message 1232478)
Posted 15 May 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
OK, been too long since we had anything to panic about.

There's a 'tape' on the splitter list called 01ap10hv. They start with aa, ab, ac ... and count up.

So, did they really record 203 tapes that day? Over 10 TB? Or is ET pulling our leg?

I didn't know they had that much on site storage. Perhaps a hiccup in the recording software?
3919) Message boards : Number crunching : Smartphone crunching (Message 1232473)
Posted 15 May 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I just bought a smartphone 3 weeks ago. I can feel the thing warming up just from doing a google search, Or Playing solataire. No way would I crunch on it.

My data plan is for 4GB a month. Im am wondering what crucnhing 24/7 would do to that.

My 30 or so machines at work use about 3.5GB per month for SETI@Home. Which includes all traffic to/from berkeley.edu & not just the tasks transferred.

If your smartphone can do work fast enough to transfer more data than that I should like one to replace those 30 machines I'm using. :D

With many review sites comparing various smartphones & tablets I would hope that we might be able to use that as a scale to compare S@H performance.
3920) Message boards : Number crunching : Limits raised ? (Message 1232138)
Posted 14 May 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I'm at 1447 at the moment on the 590, Boinc is saying about 2 days of cache, it's a been so long since I've seen that, that I'm not used to seeing 2 days this way. :D

I know it is all very confusing to be back to "normal" again.

It looks like most of my machines who had their TDCF go nuts are back around normal after the weekend.
3921) Message boards : Number crunching : buggy WU (Message 1232033)
Posted 14 May 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Sometimes there are workunits that are processed on CPU's that don't end with an overflow. However the tasks can still end up in the bin if it gets assigned to several GPU's that generate -12's.

It just seems to be one of those holes that things slip though. Where potentially good data gets disregarded because GPU's can't do all of the same work an the CPU's at this point in time.
3922) Message boards : Number crunching : Lunatics Basic Questions (Message 1230658)
Posted 11 May 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Ok, I'm looking at possibly using Lunatics, but had a few questions. I couldn't find the answer to these questions anywhere, but it may be because they are so fundamental that they may be assumed.

1. Lunatics only helps with SETI tasks?
2. Can I run it on a computer that is running another project in addition to SETI? (It won't screw up the other project?)
3. Will it speed up CPU tasks or just GPU tasks?
4. Any other "gotchas" I should look out for?

I'm running BOINC 7.0.25. I've read the readme file. I've run CPU-ID and know the instruction sets for each of my computer's CPUs. I've downloaded the proper Lunatics install file (Windows XP, 32 bit) version 0.40.

Thanks for your help!

-MichaelMac

The Lunatics Seti@Home apps would be, as the name implies, just for the Seti@Home project. Their read me covers what types of applications they have for the project CPU, GPU & such. In most, if not all, situation their apps are quicker for running tasks & actually have a few tweaks to processes tasks on GPU's that would otherwise not be able to be processed.

Optimized application for other projects would be listed on that projects site I would imagine.

Generally there are not any issues with applications from other projects. In that if you are running one tasks form 4 different projects at the same time. They will probably be OK, but there could be some weird interaction between projects that is not currently known.

The big gotcha is that when the applications change you must update them yourself. So when Seti@Home switches to v7, probably in the next 5 years, you will need to get the latest apps from the lunatics.
3923) Message boards : Number crunching : Wondering why this WU failed to validate? (Message 1230564)
Posted 11 May 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
You might want to head over to: Inconclusive Work Units Running AP Ver 6
3924) Message boards : Number crunching : APv6 workunits are getting stuck in validation, too (Message 1230562)
Posted 11 May 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Eric traced the v505 problem to a bug in the validator and was going to look into the v6 problems.

Hopefully it will be easier to find if it is the same or related to the v5 issue.
3925) Message boards : Number crunching : Is it a bug or feature? (Message 1230543)
Posted 11 May 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
If report immediately is not set to 1, what determines when they are reported?

The default settings coded into the application. Just like all of the other variables when they are not entered into the cc_config.xml, or when the file is not present.
3926) Message boards : Number crunching : WU count (Message 1230531)
Posted 11 May 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Probably not. 2147483647 is the tricky number (upper limit of a 32-bit signed integer), so we still have 1147483647 to go.

It doesn't seem to be that big of an issue to implement the "patch" to get things rolling again. As one of posts Matt made recently indicated another table/field somewhere has run into the issue over a weekend.
3927) Message boards : Number crunching : APv6 workunits are getting stuck in validation, too (Message 1230530)
Posted 11 May 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Indeed it does. At least one was observed last week in the Completed Too Late To Validate - the Hostage AP 5.05 Work Units thread.
Since I don't think the reason this occurs was identified I'm not really surprised it has happened again.
3928) Message boards : Number crunching : Is it a bug or feature? (Message 1230503)
Posted 11 May 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
There is a CC_config.xml option <report_results_immediately>. While previous versions the default would be 0 and 1 would be used to enabled it. Perhaps it can still be used in order to disable the immediate sending of results for you.
3929) Message boards : Number crunching : It Lives, It Lives !! (Message 1230110)
Posted 10 May 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I'm not sure what the socket 775 issue is, but I have socket 775. I started getting a lot of tasks pending with "validation inconclusive" I don't have a lot of experience with the Nvidia card or overclocking. I know if you overclock too much you either burn up or start producing errors. I set my gt430 back to the defaults for now. I've got 2 more available PCI slots and an AGP slot available. I'm getting my cooling problems taken care of. I am thinking about adding a second gt430 since they're still $55 or I could add something more powerful. I've got lot's of empty cables from the power supply. I want to gather a bit of experience with what I've got first. Here's a snippet of the CPU-Z report.

The reason I asked is because there are P4's and there are P4's :-)

The Cedar Mill socket 775 P4 is more efficient than the socket 478 Northwood P4's. This is why you are getting much lower CPU usage than I did and the reason for the slightly crossed wires we had.

Re the inconclusives. go to your taks page and check the stderr_txt files of yourself and your wingman. The problem may not be you.

T.A.

The Prescott P4's are better than the previous Northwood chips as well. I have a nice mix of Socket 478 Northwood & Prescott chips. As well as 775 Prescott ones. It would be nice if I could swap them all out to the latest & greatest old stuff. lol
3930) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (74) Server problems? (Message 1230066)
Posted 10 May 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
With the increased limits and the scheduler/feeder not having tasks available all the time....

The dang Boinc scheduler bug is kicking up again.

My #1 rig, not banging up against the limits anymore, is getting plenty of work for the GPU, but the scheduler is once again letting the CPUs go idle, not sending them a drop of work because the GPU cache is not full yet.
So the CPUs are twiddling their thumbs.

Dang it, DA....please quit starving the slower resources completely just because the fastest ones do not have their caches full!!!

I thought there was talk about that being corrected in the v7 client, but then there is the odd high/low work fetch system it uses.
3931) Message boards : Number crunching : Lunatics Question from an Idiot. (Message 1229990)
Posted 10 May 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
A RAC of ~100k puts you in the top 50-60 for the project. With my current RAC of ~85k it keeps me between 75-85. From the charts I was in the 40-50 range a few months ago before spooling down a few machines.

Doing some maths. Four of those I have spun down would account for another 23% of output it would seem.
3932) Message boards : Number crunching : Upgrading SETI@Home: Current Hardware Fundraising Projects (Message 1229666)
Posted 9 May 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Eric asked us for a KVM switch for his office as his current one was dying.

We purchased him:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817107416

We used funds from the General fund for this purchase which came out to $91.15 shipped. You can track this purchase once it ships by visiting http://www.gpuug.org/purchases

We use many of those in our test lab. In the years of use we have only had an issue with one of them. Even en it isn't that big of an issue. It just looses its saved settings when the power goes out. Which reenables the beeping.
3933) Message boards : Number crunching : WUs complete in seconds (Message 1229645)
Posted 9 May 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Looking at the errors and invalid tasks on your machine. It looks like it has gone on a killing spree. My 8800 did that a few weeks ago. I was fine after a power cycle.
3934) Message boards : Number crunching : Limits raised ? (Message 1229643)
Posted 9 May 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I'll see if I can get official word on this.

Whether by design or oversight, it's quite obvious that the limits have been raised, at least for GPUs.
Which is what many of us have been asking for.

I am guessing it's been raised by 100/GPU.

IIRC the way it works is that they had set 50/CPU & then GPU's are considered 8 times as fast as CPU's so that resulted in GPU's getting 400/GPU. I have machines with 83/CPU right now. Someone reported they has more than 100/CPU on a system. Even with 100/CPU that would raise the GPU limit to 800/GPU.

It could just be a test to see if the changes on the server side are OK now. We will see I suppose.
3935) Message boards : Number crunching : Limits raised ? (Message 1229586)
Posted 9 May 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
At this point it does look like they have either disabled the limit or set it to a much higher value. It looks like the values for TDCF on my machines have shot up as well. A few of the faster ones went from around 1.1 to 1.9 now. So I'll watch and see what effect that has over the next few weeks.
3936) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (74) Server problems? (Message 1229581)
Posted 9 May 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
My guess is that we are again seeing some kind of scheduler/feeder limitation.
I agree that even with no AP using bandwidth, MB alone has shown the capability of fully saturating the bandwidth.

On the other hand, NOT saturating the bandwidth may actually be making better use of it......

My machines are no longer uploading/requesting tasks 1 or 2 at a time. As they seem to have filled to their cache settings. So we may be looking at a normal bandwidth graph again. Which is how it would often look in the days before limits sans AP or shorties.
Not to say all requests are being fulfilled. Just that there are not so many transfers in progress to keep the bandwidth pegged 24/7.
3937) Message boards : Number crunching : Multiple single cpu VMs vs. one multi cpu VM? (Message 1229514)
Posted 9 May 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
It really shouldn't matter. As each 7 VM's running 1 task each will be using the same resources as one VM running 7 tasks. With the newer hardware and software there isn't as large of a penalty for running VM's as there once was. With one VM host there would be less management on your end.

On my dual E5645 I am currently trying to decide if the NUMA configuration effects anything at all.
3938) Message boards : Number crunching : 62 AP_V5 Left In The Field (Message 1229252)
Posted 8 May 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
12!

& waiting for purging 8 & 127. I suppose once everything reaches 0 they will start putting the v6 info up there.
3939) Message boards : Number crunching : Limits raised ? (Message 1229251)
Posted 8 May 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Looks like the work unit limit has been raised. One of my machines that was limited to 550 tasks now has over 600 waiting.

From the list of your machines it looks like you have 2 that would have limits of 600 and that would have a limit of 1000.
If you use a rescheduler to move tasks around you can easily have tasks over the limits. For example if you has 200 CPU & 400 GPU tasks and then moved 100 from the GPU to the CPU you would be able to download another 100 to the GPU.

Edit: Looking over several of my CPU only machines they are over their 50/CPU limit. As Matt didn't mention anything for this weeks maintenance about this it might have been an accident. Let us hope it is not.




No I only have 3 cores running on the cpus(50 each) plus 400 for the gpu=550. I don't use rescheduler.

I had thought when the values were changed to free up a processor for feeding the GPU it reported (3 processors) instead of (4 processors). I shall have to speak to my memory manager about this.
3940) Message boards : Technical News : Araraquara (May 08 2012) (Message 1229249)
Posted 8 May 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have noticed that several of my machines are over the 50/CPU in progress limit. Were the limits removed/changed as well, or is this an unplanned event?
3941) Message boards : Number crunching : Limits raised ? (Message 1229242)
Posted 8 May 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Looks like the work unit limit has been raised. One of my machines that was limited to 550 tasks now has over 600 waiting.

From the list of your machines it looks like you have 2 that would have limits of 600 and that would have a limit of 1000.
If you use a rescheduler to move tasks around you can easily have tasks over the limits. For example if you has 200 CPU & 400 GPU tasks and then moved 100 from the GPU to the CPU you would be able to download another 100 to the GPU.

Edit: Looking over several of my CPU only machines they are over their 50/CPU limit. As Matt didn't mention anything for this weeks maintenance about this it might have been an accident. Let us hope it is not.
3942) Message boards : Number crunching : 62 AP_V5 Left In The Field (Message 1229193)
Posted 8 May 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
14!


13. they are dropping like flies. At this rate they will not last until 18 May

And the best part is that they are purging as well! I was just looking at my list of stuck AP v505 tasks and one that was fixed up yesterday poofed. The tasks being stuck was bothering me a lot more than any credit issues.
3943) Message boards : Number crunching : Completed Too Late To Validate - the Hostage AP 5.05 Work Units (Message 1229191)
Posted 8 May 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I just found 3 5.05 units that should have cleared last year, but finally came up invalid.
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/results.php?hostid=5483835&offset=0&show_names=0&state=4&appid=

Steve

I wonder if they are pondering any MB database clean up as well. Granted the percentage of tasks for MB might be lower it would be nice to see those stuck ones freed as well. The ones I have seen don't suffer from the same issues as the AP tasks. They just seems to have missed purging for the past few... years.
3944) Message boards : Number crunching : It Lives, It Lives !! (Message 1229157)
Posted 8 May 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
seing as your able to run 7 ..

assuming you had enough power to run all the cards what is the max amount of gpus the project would support per 1 computer


IIRC the server will not believe you have more than 8. Which only effects the amount of work you can request.
3945) Message boards : Number crunching : Completed Too Late To Validate - the Hostage AP 5.05 Work Units (Message 1229103)
Posted 8 May 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I would have thought that returning a result after the deadline would mark the task as "to late to validate". Also the validator running while there are tasks "in progress" doesn't make much sense. I imagine there is no logic to check for a condition that "shouldn't exist". However it does. So hopefully the BOINC server dev guys have one or both defects in their queue for "will be fixed".

Well, it works for MB, if a result is returned after the deadline, the validator waits for the resend and validates all 3 (or more) at once, hence we don't have such issues with MB.

Optimal would be to pre-validate the both results and if they are OK cancel the resend on the next sheduler request of the host, which has it. BOINC can do that. Otherwise, if it gets reported on the next request, than revalidate all 3 together.

It seems something would be better than the logic black hole these seem to fall into.
3946) Message boards : Number crunching : Completed Too Late To Validate - the Hostage AP 5.05 Work Units (Message 1229097)
Posted 8 May 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I'll just keep my eye on these two v6 AP's to see if the same v505 problem occurs again. ;)

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/workunit.php?wuid=953687194

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/workunit.php?wuid=961583113

Cheers.

It looks like task 953687194 is in that very state.

I would have thought that returning a result after the deadline would mark the task as "to late to validate". Also the validator running while there are tasks "in progress" doesn't make much sense. I imagine there is no logic to check for a condition that "shouldn't exist". However it does. So hopefully the BOINC server dev guys have one or both defects in their queue for "will be fixed".
3947) Message boards : Number crunching : It Lives, It Lives !! (Message 1229091)
Posted 8 May 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
"His name is Robert Paulson!"


ROFL!

If you don't name your machine that, I'm going to use that name on a future build. :-)

I'm pretty sure I don't own any sort of rights to that name. If I do then some movie company owes me quite a lot of money.
Generally I use names that come from the same movie as my user name.If I were to make a big crunchy thing like this then I suppose I might consider giving it some other kind of name. Maybe "Nibbler"
3948) Message boards : Number crunching : 62 AP_V5 Left In The Field (Message 1228788)
Posted 7 May 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hmm, but the Results returned and awaiting validation for AP 505 is now all of a sudden down to zero. What's up with that?

Gone into waiting to purge, so obviously the staff has done something. Checking the list of eleven I posted in message 1196397 last February, four are showing "Completed, too late to validate" for the last reported result, but in the other seven they're still "Completed, waiting for validation".
                                                                   Joe

They must have done something. Several of the old stuck ones I have now have credit for all of the hosts. Although 2 still have hosts with "pending". I imagine the query might still be running.
3949) Message boards : Number crunching : Lunatics Question from an Idiot. (Message 1228663)
Posted 7 May 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
With the 2 million credits they did in the past 28 days vs your 1.3 million you are going to have to really work to overtake their 18 million they already have banked up. Just so you know I am messing about with you & not trying to discourage you or anything. :P

The internet caps are annoying. I am limited to 250GB/month on my home account. Although Seti@Home traffic doesn't account for that much really. I just ran a report on my ISA server at work. Starting from January 1st until yesterday. The total for all traffic going to & from Berkeley is only 15.2GB. Which included the data transfer of the project & the traffic from the website/forums.
3950) Message boards : Number crunching : It Lives, It Lives !! (Message 1228655)
Posted 7 May 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
i hope that computer is named peter jackson !!!!! =P

"His name is Robert Paulson!"

That "monster" is a thing of beauty. Reminds me more of what people were doing back in the classic days. Where you would see photos of stacks of bare motherboards all setup for crunching. Being separated by the skin of their fiberglass.
3951) Message boards : Number crunching : Lunatics Question from an Idiot. (Message 1227366)
Posted 4 May 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
You realize that if your teammate starts using the opt apps they should easily generate over 100k a day. They have a similar list of machines to mine except they have a few more. I was generating 98k-105k until I turned a few off for the summer.
3952) Message boards : Number crunching : Upgrading SETI@Home: Current Hardware Fundraising Projects (Message 1227196)
Posted 4 May 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Are they still throwing Holy Water at the paper organizer?



Or have they turned them upside down and use them as monitor stands? :)

You know if you asked for monitor stands I imagine it could happen, but those books do seem to be doing a fine job. I have been looking at those VESA mounts that clamp to the desk for my own use.
3953) Message boards : Number crunching : Progress Bar Remaining at 0.000% on GPU WU (Message 1227123)
Posted 4 May 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Also sometimes tasks just get stuck like that. Even using the stock application on CPU's. Often a reboot would fix the issue in the case of whatever problem would cause them to be stuck.
It could also be that the command line values need to be adjusted for your card. It looks like you are just running AP tasks on your card. So I don't think the max workgroup size of 128 applies for that application, but don't remember 100% this early in the morning.
3954) Message boards : Number crunching : Day of week override (Message 1226161)
Posted 2 May 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Wouldn't that be

%boinc_prog_dir%\boinccmd -read_cc_config

Thanks. I blame my lack of afternoon caffeine on that one.
3955) Message boards : Number crunching : Day of week override (Message 1225829)
Posted 1 May 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
You could create two cc_config.xml files & use the value <ncpus>n</ncpus>. One for the weekend & one for when you are working at your computer during the week. Then use a scheduled task to put the desired file in place & reread your cc_config.xml.

This is a simple example of two .bat files you could cold have run on a schedule:

cc_config_low.xml contains <ncpus>n</ncpus> with the lower value you want to use.
cc_config_high.xml contains <ncpus>n</ncpus> with the higher value you want to use.

Set a task to run 12:00AM Saturday or whenever you want to use more CPUs.
run_high.bat
copy cc_config_high.xml cc_config.xml /y
--read_cc_config


Set a task to run 8:00AM Monday or whenever you want to use fewer CPUs.
run_low.bat
copy cc_config_low.xml cc_config.xml /y
--read_cc_config


With windows tasks you can set multiple triggers. You could also set the tasks to run the lower CPU value during weekday work hours and then run the higher value after work hours.
3956) Message boards : Number crunching : Boinc 7.0.24/Ubuntu computation errors (Message 1225735)
Posted 1 May 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thanks Hal. I guess I'm going to have to over-step a little here and email one of the two gentleman in regards to this issue. I'd hate to do it but, Ubuntu is one of the most popular OS's after Windows and Mac OS.

As I said the package maintainer for Ubuntu will fix it, but he needs to verify if it can be fixed simply by using an unpatched Berkeley version 7.0.26


There is also a message board for BOINC. You might try there first.
3957) Message boards : Number crunching : More cheap ATI AP WU Crunchiness (Message 1225732)
Posted 1 May 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Comfy chair acquired, sleep imminent.

If you'll look at my list of computers, you'll see that ATI video card in that machine was identified as RV610.

CPU-Z and GPU-Z both think it is RV620.

Does this matter in the larger scheme of things?

DIFFERENT COMPUTER:::

In my mixed NVIDIA/AMD computer, ID 5829212, shows that card as being "unknown." The app identifies it as "Turks"(in the output of a completed WU).

Does this matter, cosmically speaking?

EDIT !!! Other question I forgot to ask... is it even worth trying to run two at a time on a HD 6670 w/ 2GB of DDR3 RAM?

Remember that BOINC doesn't actually process anything. The science apps do. So what BOINC calls the card is pretty much irreverent. Specifying which is ATI & NVIDIA is good enough.

You would need BOINC 6.12 or newer to identify ATI HD6000 cards. Even then it doesn't do the best job as it refers to the HD6350 in my notebook as "AMD ATI Radeon HD 5x00 series (Cedar)".

Sometimes when I am bored I tweak what the BOINC guys have entered for ID strings. Like on this machine. So it lists "ATI Radeon HD 3450 (RV620)" instead of "ATI Radeon HD 2300/2400/3200 (RV610)".

Also my 6870 didn't seem to have much(any) overhead to run more than 1 at a time. Sure running a 2nd might have squeeked out another 1/64000%. what you are looking for is to fill in the gaps of the GPU being idle. So if the GPU spends a lot of time at 40% then you would look into running multiple instances, or changing the command line options to make it run more effectively.
3958) Message boards : Number crunching : Boinc 7.0.24/Ubuntu computation errors (Message 1225724)
Posted 1 May 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The downstream (repository) Boinc package manager for Ubuntu is very interested in this issue, but doesn't wanna make any moves/changes until he is sure what is going on.

Who around here can put me in contact with a Boinc software developer???
If anyone is aware of this issue on the Berkley end they really need to talk to the downstream package manager here

It needs to be verified that this "computation error" issue ONLY exists on the repository version, which if this is the case he will change the repo version to an unpatched Berkley version: if an unpatched version is guaranteed to fix this issue.

http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/AlphaInstructions
3959) Message boards : Number crunching : ATI Astropulse Cruncher - help me choose (Message 1225428)
Posted 30 Apr 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
It also wiped-out all the work units, except for one AP work unit, that had been downloaded.

Maybe because you forget to select the proper SSE3 (AMD) app?



Well, if I made an error it was in the initial install when I didn't mean to give the CPU anything at all to do.

What I may well have done is chosen an ATI MB application that won't run on this card, so when the driver was able to name the card, BOINC discovered there was no hardware it could use to run the other work.

Things like this happen when you do stuff like this in the middle of the night when you're already tired.

If anyone ever told me I'd fool with ATI drivers to "wind down," I've have told them they were nuts.

BOINC will "see" ATI cards if you have Cat 9.2 or newer drivers installed. That doesn't mean the project you want to run has a working app for that hardware and/or driver version.
You should review the Supported OpenCL Devices list & the Lunatics Readme. Which list what is supported & the driver version requirements.
I spent some time mucking with the drivers to force the HD4000 drivers to load on my HD3850. In the end the result was I couldn't fanagle any OpenCL out of it.
Maybe someone could do some custom F/W for the cards to see if the hardware would do it, but something tells me the effort isn't worth it.
3960) Message boards : Number crunching : Dumb ATI question (Message 1225424)
Posted 30 Apr 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
When you use remote desktop, you use a Windows driver that doesn't know about CUDA/CAL or OpenCL, which is why the BOINC there won't detect a capable GPU then.

The only way around that is to use an external program as VNC, which uses the driver you've got installed. Then you'll probably find that the GPU will be detected.

Thanks for the information, looks like I need to do some testing. As to remote reboots, IIRC without a tool remote desktop doesn't normally allow them. This case an update wanted to restart the machine and I let it.

My real concern was if the card was defective. The box is new and last week it did some random reboots, no log entries. Actually put BOINC on the box to stress it to see if I could make it fail while it is still under warranty.

I had a server that was randomly rebooting. It could be 2 minutes to two weeks. Once I loaded BOINC/S@H and kept it at full load 24/7 it stopped rebooting. If I paused or stopping BOINC form running then the random reboots would start up again.
That kind of thing can do your head in.
3961) Message boards : Number crunching : CLOSED* SETI/BOINC Milestones [ v2.0 ] - XXIV *CLOSED (Message 1224070)
Posted 27 Apr 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I moved into 25th place for my joining date at Einstein. Should move up to 22 quickly; the next three haven't done any work lately.

Also, very close to breaking 18,000th place in overall Boinc credit, according to BoincStats.



how do you view your place by joining date? i don't see that option..

You go to your page for the project you want to view like Seti@Home & then you click on the number next to "Position in 'sign-up date' stats".
3962) Message boards : Number crunching : Combination (Message 1223563)
Posted 26 Apr 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hmm - can't find a positive-enough or appropriate thread for this, so I'm making a new one.

Combi of v6 for good cache, overclocked i7, AP v6, AVX + KWSN v0.40 is looking good so far. Anyone else got a similar situation?

Pushing the boat out a bit: any chance of AP for CUDA? ó.O

You mean an AP application like this? Update for GPU AP (both NV and ATi) to rev560
3963) Message boards : Number crunching : "Lost Task" (Message 1223180)
Posted 25 Apr 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
What I don't understand about lost tasks is why they are only resent in batches of 20.

Because that is the arbitrary number they selected for the upper limit. I would guess it is to limit the amount of data the servers have to move from the disk array or something of that nature.
3964) Message boards : Number crunching : Actual core speed discrepancy...or just my stupidity? (Message 1223140)
Posted 25 Apr 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
About the best thing you can do for laptop cooling is to only ever place it on a solid sooth surface as most laptops draw their cooling air in through the bottom. Place it on something soft or fuzzy & it can't draw the air in.

Far better than that is to keep the laptop on a powered cooling stand when running BOINC. I use a Zalman zm-nc1500, but many other versions are available. You want one which keeps a positive air pressure under those bottom air intake vents that Grant mentions.

I found, in the case of my old Pentium M notebook, raising the notebook a small amount off of solid surface was fairly helpful in cooling. I used Lego blocks to make stands to place under the feet. Raising the notebook 10-15mm. As the exhaust blows out of the back at a slight downward angle I place it near the edge of the table with a few more blocks on the stand near the foot. In an effort to help prevent any hot air getting recirculated.

This seemed more cost effective than buying one of those perforated stands.
3965) Message boards : Number crunching : How much slower is Ubuntu? (Message 1222857)
Posted 24 Apr 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Current optimized applications (CPU and GPU) are the same speed.
If system is properly configured. GPU crunching can even be faster a bit and system can be run headless (no GUI, no junk services, no crap like dummy plugs and extending desktops). If you know how to do it, and is not that hard.

I really don't know where you guys come up with ridiculous figures like 2-3x.

I got my numbers from the hardware I use. EDIT: P4 3.6GHz box
Win 7, opt app, 2 at a time = ~20,000 seconds for normal AR tasks
Fedora 10, opt app, 2 at a time = ~45,000 seconds for normal AR tasks

As I said I am not a linux guru. However I didn't find anything hogging up the resources & the P4 in the system doesn't seem to have any power saving features that are/were in use. I would expect there is some kind of configuration issue. As it doesn't make much sense to me for things to be that drastically different.
3966) Message boards : Number crunching : ATI Astropulse Cruncher - help me choose (Message 1222783)
Posted 24 Apr 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
HD 6450 should work.
Low power profile.

$45 at amazon.
Uses 27 Watts
OpenCL 1.1


I bought an ASUS 6450 from Amazon with (in my best Don Pardo voice) "FREE Super Saver Shipping!"

I don't know how much power it draws, but it isn't much.

This thing is going to clear the power supply by a few sheets of paper. Thin paper. But that's a good thing since the power supply fan will be moving a lot of air over that thin heatsink and the card's small enough to let the power supply breath around it.

I'm not sure which system I'm going to stick it in, yet, but I'm thinking I should try the one with the dual GTX 460s just because the 460s aren't bothering their power supply. For $44 it will be an interesting experiment.

Soon I'm going to have to figure-out how to send only AP units to the ATI cards, and only get AP work that's going to be sent to the ATI cards.

I know how to "kill" the GPU application, but I'm not sure it will keep BOINC from asking for work.

The $90 ATI card can do a WU in under 20k sec. If a $44 card does it in less than 40k seconds (and I expect it to) I'll be happy; especially if it is doing it for very little power consumption and makes exactly no/nada/zip/zilch noise.

There are two different version of the HD6450. One with DDR3 and one with GDDR5. It looks like you got this card which is the one with DDR3.
While the DDR3 card does use less power the memory also run slower. The specs list 533-800 for DDR3 vs 800-900 for GDDR5. Also GDDR5 has an effective clock rate for 4x the clock vs 2x. So it should be interesting to see how the card runs.
3967) Message boards : Number crunching : How much slower is Ubuntu? (Message 1222781)
Posted 24 Apr 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I am not much of a *nix person. I can normally get things installed and make it do what I want without to much scratching my head.

When I was running S@H on our linux test station, with Fedora 10, the times were about 2-2.5 times that of the current Win7 installation. Granted the machine isn't exactly a screamer with a 3.6GHz P4.

I would expect there are things that can be tweaked or reconfigured to make it run on par with windows. Not being a a nix guru nor wanting to become one I am happy to let windows to the work.
3968) Message boards : Number crunching : Upgrade from Win2k Advanced Server to XP? (Message 1222290)
Posted 23 Apr 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
XP Pro is an excellent, stable OS.

And more importantly, I have several new copies available, so I don't have to buy any new OSs...LOL.

And this ol' kitty is not willing to go through the learning curve to run Linux freeware.


In that case Mark, note down Cosmic's tip as from April 2014 MS will no longer support XP in any shape or form...so any installs after that date may not activate, in which case, (they say 30 days, but I've seen many go 90 days before restricting access to inportant features) cosmic's tip could be your lifesaver.

In that case, I would need hints on how to go about making an 'image' of the install, as he suggested. Have never done such a thingy.

Once the rigs are up and running, I am not too worried about MS withdrawing support. I have XP rigs that have already been running for years without any contact with MS.

And if I get 2 or 3 years down the road with XP and for some reason I hit a roadblock, I can deal with it at that time.

Windows 7 will continue to run without any issue sans activation.

I wondered if it would have the same lock out everything but activation like Vista did. So I decided to test that. The current installation I did on October 23rd 2009 is still running without a key entered and no activation. The only issues that I see from this are:
1) A warning that comes up when you start the OS. It states that the OS need to be activated to continue. However if left alone the machine will finish auto logon without user input after a 60-90 second delay.
2) Every now and then there is a popup stating "You may be a victim of software counterfeiting" if you have windows update set for automatic.
3) You will be unable to do updates via windows update after the grace period expires. However you can manually download/install updates, use the rearm command, or install a service pack. I found installing the service pack resets the number of times you can use the rearm command.
4) This is probably not so much on the legal side of the MS license agreement for home use. My boss and our legal dude said this was probably OK with our license agreement(s) with MS.

*YMMV, batteries not included, not legal where prohibited by law...
3969) Message boards : Number crunching : ATI Astropulse Cruncher - help me choose (Message 1220750)
Posted 20 Apr 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I'm seriously ignorant about this. Help.

I'm seeing the Open CL version is 1.1 on one card 4.1 on another. The nomenclature is getting me down.

Since I would be using it strictly to crunch AstroPulse, do I care? Am I likely to find a new Astropulse application that requires a higher version of OpenCL?

I'm liking both the power consumption and the cheapness of the 6450.

I think you are mixing OpenGL and OpenCL. The HD5xxx and HD6xxx cards are OpenGL 4.2 and OpenCL 1.1. The new HD7xxx cards are OpenGL 4.2 and OpenCL 1.2.
As the applications use OpenCL I doubt support for OpenCL 1.1 will be dropped any time soon. I'm not even sure of Raistmer has a HD7xxx card for developing at this time.


That's exactly what I was doing (not recognizing "G" from "C"). My eyesight has changed a lot lately and I can't see very well with or without my glasses.

Thanks for un-confusing me.

I do it all the time. I just caught the 4.2 and knew that was way to high to be OpenCL. So I verified the specs. If you haven't used it. The Wikipedia page comparing the GPU's can be rather useful.
3970) Message boards : Number crunching : ATI Astropulse Cruncher - help me choose (Message 1220748)
Posted 20 Apr 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I'm seriously ignorant about this. Help.

I'm seeing the Open CL version is 1.1 on one card 4.1 on another. The nomenclature is getting me down.

Since I would be using it strictly to crunch AstroPulse, do I care? Am I likely to find a new Astropulse application that requires a higher version of OpenCL?

I'm liking both the power consumption and the cheapness of the 6450.

I think you are mixing OpenGL and OpenCL. The HD5xxx and HD6xxx cards are OpenGL 4.2 and OpenCL 1.1. The new HD7xxx cards are OpenGL 4.2 and OpenCL 1.2.
As the applications use OpenCL I doubt support for OpenCL 1.1 will be dropped any time soon. I'm not even sure of Raistmer has a HD7xxx card for developing at this time.
3971) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (74) Server problems? (Message 1220732)
Posted 20 Apr 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
replica DB's on the slide........

Probably generating the daily stats dump.
3972) Message boards : Number crunching : computation errors since 7.0.25 update (Message 1220600)
Posted 20 Apr 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:


Two memory related errors. Two out of memory errors, even.
The "Unzul�ssige Funktion. (0x1) - exit code 1 (0x1)", or "Incorrect function" can ALSO be a memory error, or out of memory error.

The exit code 3 error usually means that the science application (Seti's app) was looking for a file to read from or write to and it couldn't find the file in the path it was pointed at (the slot directory).

I see that your system is a 24 core Intel Xeon server with only 2GB RAM.
This means that on a good day, any Seti task can only take up 85MB of memory, which is enough, indeed, but then ONLY BOINC+Seti may be running on that computer. Not any other programs. No anti virus, no firewall, no anti-malware, no (Open) Office, not even an embedded videocard is allowed to use part of this memory, which most do on-the-fly. And if Windows wants to go do something, it should do it in the swap page only.


Typically my 24 thread Xeon box runs around 1GB with 24 tasks running. If the option for leaving tasks in memory is enabled that could lead to even more memory usage. Easily using all of it.
3973) Message boards : Number crunching : GPU not running at 100% (Message 1220045)
Posted 18 Apr 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I suspended my home crunching with the warmer weather coming in. however I was using 12.1 on my 6870 without down clocking. I did get a task stuck now and then where the time continued to increment without any progress being done. I think there were 3 or 4 over 6 months or so.
3974) Message boards : Number crunching : Run times increased v CPU times (Message 1219199)
Posted 16 Apr 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hi SETI people,

I have noticed that a recent batch of CPU WUs eventually calculate but have a much bigger than usual Run time v CPU time. Here is an example.

Name 07ja12ag.624.13319.9.10.99_2
Workunit 943242023
Created 11 Apr 2012 | 4:42:20 UTC
Sent 12 Apr 2012 | 4:55:15 UTC
Received 15 Apr 2012 | 18:51:13 UTC
Server state Over
Outcome Success
Client state Done
Exit status 0 (0x0)
Computer ID 5880149
Report deadline 18 May 2012 | 7:13:10 UTC
Run time 52,327.46
CPU time 18,250.49
Validate state Valid
Credit 95.18
Application version SETI@home Enhanced v6.03
Stderr output

<core_client_version>7.0.25</core_client_version>
<![CDATA[
<stderr_txt>
setiathome_enhanced 6.02 DevC++/MinGW
libboinc: 6.3.6

Work Unit Info:
...............
WU true angle range is : 0.826361
Optimal function choices:
-----------------------------------------------------
name
-----------------------------------------------------
v_BaseLineSmooth (no other)
v_vGetPowerSpectrumUnrolled 0.00011 0.00000
sse3_ChirpData_ak 0.01533 0.00000
v_vTranspose4ntw 0.01086 0.00000
AK SSE folding 0.00118 0.00000

Flopcounter: 18935091682409.402000[/color]

You will see that in this case the run time is about three times the CPU time. This is much longer than usual. I run these on an E4700 Intel core duo and my system is not running anything more than normal at the time.
Does anybody have any ideas why this should occur?

Thanks for any contributions

John

Hi John.
I'm not sure what you're getting at here, according to that stderr_txt file the unit was crunched with V6.03 the CPU app. I also note you are running the latest V7 BOINC client. You have a pretty heavy load on what I presume is an old laptop

Looking at your computer, your GPU only has 256MB of memory and you are running V285.62 drivers. These drivers require more than 256 MB of video RAM to run.

What is happening is that BOINC detects the low value of of VRAM and the unit "falls back" to being run on the CPU.

There are combinations of Drivers and GPU apps that will run with 256MB GPU's but off hand I don't know them. Maybe if you do a search of the forums or someone else can post them.

A good place to start though, is to roll back to V191.07 drivers and the stock V6.09 CUDA App. To help save memory, disable your screensaver too

T.A.

I have been using the 280.26 release with my 256MB 8500GT for some time without any issues.
3975) Message boards : Number crunching : Lunatics Question from an Idiot. (Message 1219198)
Posted 16 Apr 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Speaking of a reschedule tool, why are tasks with a deadline of 6/2012...running before 4/2012 tasks?

Get an answer to that one and I almost have this figured out. I think I got my last erroring problem solved. The GT240 card was trowing off 5 errors ever update. Looked at power options, and the machine was set to shut off the monitor after 15 minutes....the Monitor is a 52" Sony Bravia hooked up on an HDMI connection. Disabled that. Then looked at advanced power options on the PCI buss, it like all the rest of my machines was set to moderate power savings.

I changed that to off....ie no power savings. Working fine now. It must just need the full power, as it gets it from the Mainboard not a seperate line from the PSU. At least that's what I think...cause it works fine now. RAC 22,054.50

Wawasoo

P.S. This Idiot is not done asking questions.

Recently there were a lot of shortie tasks sent out. They have a deadline of about 2 weeks instead of the normal 6 or 8 weeks. BOINC normally operates on a First In First Out process. So the older tasks with a longer deadline will be done first. Unless something causes the scheduling process in BOINC to switch to High Priority mode & process the tasks with shorter/nearer deadlines first.
3976) Message boards : Number crunching : Lunatics Question from an Idiot. (Message 1218546)
Posted 15 Apr 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Anybody have an idea why my WHS is still processing Cuda Fermi instead of Anonymous platform (NVIDIA GPU)?

I've installed it on all my machines the last few days and I think that I've got them running almost correctly....RAC 18,676.05

Wawasoo

Your server shows what app was used at the time the files were requested/downloaded. So even if you move tasks between your CPU & GPU with a reschedule tool. The server will continue to show the app version.
A few moment ago this looks to be the first task assigned to your GPU since switching apps.

The easiest way to tell which app your are sunning is to look at task manager & see if Lunatics_x41g_win32_cuda32.exe is running or not.
3977) Message boards : Number crunching : BOINC 7.0 released to public (Message 1218445)
Posted 14 Apr 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
There's no maximum to the minimum work buffer either, I just found. It happily accepts 100 days as a value.

I often enter very large numbers in there when I want to force BOINC to processes tasks by due date. It also prevents BOINC from requesting new tasks. So it is good to clear out a load of shorties that may suddenly appear.
3978) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (73) Server problems? (Message 1218370)
Posted 14 Apr 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Oh no my machines are downloading nothing but shorties!

On the plus side they are currently actually downloading them & the pegged bandwidth doesn't seem to be choking them off just yet.
3979) Message boards : Number crunching : Anythin You Can Do That will help??!+ (Message 1218368)
Posted 14 Apr 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
What some of us do on our machines is we go into the HOSTS file and manually specify the faster and more reliable server and avoid getting the slow one that times out and has a lot of HTTP errors.

Can you give (or point me to) detailed instructions on how to do that?

Run.
notepad "c:\Windows\System32\drivers\etc\hosts"

Then enter:
208.68.240.13 boinc2.ssl.berkeley.edu
or
208.68.240.18 boinc2.ssl.berkeley.edu

Depending on whichever one works better for you.

Do you have to do anything after saving this file to make it take effect?

And is this procedure still valid?

Depending on the mood of your machine you might need to do an ipconfig /flushdns, bounce your NIC, or reboot. Normally when I am messing around with my ISA server or changing DNS stuff at work I just release and renew the NIC. Which for me is sufficient to clear everything.

It should continue to work until MS no longer supports using a host file to override DNS settings. I don't see them doing that, but they might one day stick this in the registry as well. :/

Okay, thanks. Actaully, I just remembered that there's a new round of Windows updates I haven't done on that machine yet, so I'll do this before that restart. That should definitely take care of it.

For Windows 7:
Start>Programs>Accessories> right-click notepad, Run as Administrator (for XP, just open it, no need to right-click)
File>Open> file as noted above
Enter data line as above
Save

Next transfer works as instructed with no further restarts of anything.

(I tried .13 first and it did nothing for me, so I tried .18 and the downloads started flying.)

Thanks again for all the help on this.

Yes, for Vista and higher OS's when UAC is enabled you will need to do the admin hokie pokie.
3980) Message boards : Number crunching : Whats an acceptable (old) GPU? (Message 1218363)
Posted 14 Apr 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Someone is asking me about a Dell lappy with 2 8700m gt vid cards and whether they will crunch Seti with Lunatics optis.

Somewhere there was a link posted to a list or chart with the various vid cards and their relative performance. I was going to check if these were on the list, but I forgot to bookmark the link, and cannot find it now.

Anybody help?

I was also about to link the Wiki comparison table, which says 32 shaders @ 1250 MHz

By way of comparison, I currently run a desktop 9800GT with 112 shaders @ 1500 MHz - that gives a RAC of 7,500, or slightly higher when the shorties are running. So, a possible 1,800 RAC for the lappys - but your questioner should check whether they are the 512MB version (should be good enough), or the 256MB version (bit tight for SETI).

Won't know more until he gets the lappy, he just bought it and is in transit.
Thank you as well, Richard.
Probably have to post more questions when he starts playing with it.

That old lappy is going to blow the doors off of my desktop system with an 8500 GT.
3981) Message boards : Number crunching : Lunatics app and Athlon XP-M 3000+ (Message 1218071)
Posted 14 Apr 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
oh yes and while we are talking about obsolete systems, I also received an old laptop with a centrino chip- hp/compaq nx7000 model, but there is no power cord. i dont mind spending the $10 to get a new power adapter but do you guys think that this chip will even crunch anything or should i not even bother because it will lower my RAC? Funny seeing some of these dinasaurs people have laying around lol.

I am setting up most of these systems at my parents house which is only a few miles from my own and they have a huge house with plenty of space and very decent internet connection, so it is a challenge to me just to see how many systems I can set up there! don't worry they don't mind the increased electric bill as it is for a good cause.

Looking up the specs for the nx7000 shows it came with two different CPU's.
1.6GHz Intel Pentium M processor w/ 400MHz FSB & 1MB cache
or
1.4GHz Intel Pentium M processor w/ 400MHz FSB & 1MB cache

Which should be good for a few hundred RAC running 24/7. I have played around with my old Pentium M notebook and overclocked the 1.5GHz chip to 2.37GHz. Which brought it up to the 600-700 RAC range.
3982) Message boards : Number crunching : ?? Faulty WU (Message 1217785)
Posted 13 Apr 2012 by Profile HAL9000
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There is only one real error for that task. The first computer didn't return the result in time. So it is simply a timout. You have another task with the same status. "exit code 1"

I don't recall what that error is. I normally see that error when I mistakenly close one of the running processes instead of closing BOINC.
3983) Message boards : Number crunching : 64KB Output filesize limitation (Message 1217776)
Posted 13 Apr 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

Unless this is one of those cases where it is an issue when using the opt apps. Looking at the 4 that Lint trap had. The stock app seems to have completed the tasks OK & the opt app ended up with the -131.

By completed OK, you mean the output filesize didn't exceed the limit ?

If it's just a case of the Opt-apps being too wordy, perhaps Lunatics could check for that and somehow limit the output text to stay under 64KB, or, the limit could be changed ?

No, it wouldn't help.

The wordy Lunatics stuff is in stderr_txt, which gets sent to the server by a different channel when you report the task.

The 64KB limit is on the uploaded result file which one would expect to be identical - that's the intention, anyway, otherwise the results won't validate.

Unless there's something subtle like the stock app producing a file with Unix-style line endings (CR only), and the Opti apps using Windows line endings (CR-LF). In a file with a lot of short lines, that can make a big difference.

If it would help anything. I could setup a system to process the 7 files I saved with each app and then zip up the result files for someone to grab and look over.
3984) Message boards : Number crunching : Anythin You Can Do That will help??!+ (Message 1217771)
Posted 13 Apr 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
What some of us do on our machines is we go into the HOSTS file and manually specify the faster and more reliable server and avoid getting the slow one that times out and has a lot of HTTP errors.

Can you give (or point me to) detailed instructions on how to do that?

Run.
notepad "c:\Windows\System32\drivers\etc\hosts"

Then enter:
208.68.240.13 boinc2.ssl.berkeley.edu
or
208.68.240.18 boinc2.ssl.berkeley.edu

Depending on whichever one works better for you.

Do you have to do anything after saving this file to make it take effect?

And is this procedure still valid?

Depending on the mood of your machine you might need to do an ipconfig /flushdns, bounce your NIC, or reboot. Normally when I am messing around with my ISA server or changing DNS stuff at work I just release and renew the NIC. Which for me is sufficient to clear everything.

It should continue to work until MS no longer supports using a host file to override DNS settings. I don't see them doing that, but they might one day stick this in the registry as well. :/
3985) Message boards : Number crunching : 64KB Output filesize limitation (Message 1217660)
Posted 13 Apr 2012 by Profile HAL9000
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The ones I've found have all been shorties - 14-day deadlines, typical of VHAR.

In fact, they seem to be VVHAR - the one Lt linked has AR=55, I've just looked at an AR=57 here.

The current tasks & the one previous one I had are all 55.95.

I found one where my wing mate has successfully completed the task. So it looks like at least some of them will be OK.
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/workunit.php?wuid=968984952

Unless this is one of those cases where it is an issue when using the opt apps. Looking at the 4 that Lint trap had. The stock app seems to have completed the tasks OK & the opt app ended up with the -131.
3986) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (73) Server problems? (Message 1217657)
Posted 13 Apr 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

Could the feeder's lots be increased from 100 to 1,000? Or more? That way, there would be a greater chance of what an individual host requests being there.

I think it's been mentioned that when everything is working up to par, the current feeder setup is quite capable of saturating the bandwidth currently available, so increasing feeder activity by whatever means would not really increase the availability of work.
Even if you got tasks assigned, you wouldn't be able to effectively download it, and that would stop your Boinc from even asking for more due to backoffs. So the end result would be the same as getting nothing on a work request.

If more bandwidth is made available in the future, then I would agree that some enhancement of the feeder/scheduler process might be in the cards as well.

Indeed the feeder can do so. Like a few weeks ago when there were do many active downloads during maintenance the bandwidth stayed pegged during the outage.

With just normal AR MB tasks going out the graph does normally tend to be wavy instead of pegged. However with task limits, transfer issues, shorties, and/or AP tasks going out the bandwidth does normally stay pegged. The current graph does look like there would be something wrong under those circumstances, but it is probably just normal AR work going out without any network issues. So in that case the feeder does lag behind.

The feeder queue could probably be made more dynamic to adjust to the bandwidth in use. Something tells me that would be needlessly complicated & probably not work as expected.
3987) Message boards : Number crunching : 64KB Output filesize limitation (Message 1217652)
Posted 13 Apr 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I had one from that same 29se11aa.21883 group a few days ago. Which I didn't think much of at the time. Checking the file it was 404KB like the one you checked as well.

Looking at the tasks on my systems it looks like it can be further narrowed down to 29se11aa.21883.2382.12.10

I found these hanging out on one of my systems.
04/11/2012  10:15 AM           413,626 29se11aa.21883.2382.12.10.212
04/11/2012  10:15 AM           413,626 29se11aa.21883.2382.12.10.204
04/11/2012  10:15 AM           413,627 29se11aa.21883.2382.12.10.230
04/11/2012  10:15 AM           413,628 29se11aa.21883.2382.12.10.221
04/11/2012  10:15 AM           413,628 29se11aa.21883.2382.12.10.219
04/11/2012  10:15 AM           413,628 29se11aa.21883.2382.12.10.209

Where other tasks in the 29se11aa.21883.10980. & 29se11aa.21883.11798 groups are the normal 375,222 byte size.
3988) Message boards : Number crunching : BOINC 7.0 released to public (Message 1217633)
Posted 13 Apr 2012 by Profile HAL9000
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Yeah, but I am not talking just about the documentation either. I am also talking about that attitude with BOINCmanager itself. And I am mean the advanced view here. Hiding the messages so that they are no longer in an easily accessible tab that is always there in the manager. Making some messages hidden, so much that you have to fiddle with a cc_config to see them. Creating a notices tab, and then discouraging project admins from putting useful information in them. Very frustrating. Simplicity via obfuscation just pisses off the users.


And frankly, I don't believe that there are any significant number of BOINC users that *aren't* computer people, and never will be. It's just the nature of the activity. So quit trying to please a tiny minority at the expense of the real user base.

Again, all IMO.

I don't really see the point in going the direction they are with the manager either & dislike the dumbing down of things. I use the term playskool interface when things like that are done. It is also one of the reasons I didn't use the new manager for BOINC with 6.12.x came out. I am sticking with the 6.10 manager. Until it no longer works, I find something better, or make my own custom version.

3989) Message boards : Number crunching : i7 Hyperthreading + GPU + Most Efficient Seti Workload (Message 1217521)
Posted 13 Apr 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
This thing is going through the roof. It's banging 3 Cudi Fermi Task a Minute.

Honestly....I ain't touched shxt. I just cut the count from one <1> to .33.

One use to to take 14 minutes, installed the sofware down to 8 minutes.....now 3 in one minute.

I'm a banging....bitch.

Wawasoo

Don't get to excited. Right now you are chewing up shorties, or VHAR tasks. VHAR=Very High Angle Range. Which you can see in the task result by looking at the number WU true angle range is :. In the case of that task it is 2.733399. Where a "normal" task would be around 0.42.

This thread has a good explanation of where the angle ranges fit in which group.
The easy thing to remember is VLAR=slower(lower number), VHAR=faster(higher number).

3990) Message boards : Number crunching : i7 Hyperthreading + GPU + Most Efficient Seti Workload (Message 1217501)
Posted 13 Apr 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
FWIW...and I have no CLUE what I'm doing.

I put that lunatics software on my slowest machine. Left all the tick marks where they were.

Let it install.

Looked at a project....closed my eyes....blindly counted off 10 seconds.

A minute of task time elasped......then I watched it with my eyes open...

Happened again.

See what happens.

Wawasoo

As they just did their v0.40 release recently there is the thread Lunatics Windows Installer v0.40 release notes.

One of the key parts to note is: "How to use the installer:"

With the opt apps the key is matching the app to the processor abilities. Which is most cases for multibeam (Seti@Home Enhanced) tasks on Intel hardware is SSE3 or SSSE3x.

If in doubt. Ask a silly question. More than likely you will get a silly, but helpful answer.
3991) Message boards : Number crunching : A Modest Suggestion for Tasks Button (Message 1217406)
Posted 12 Apr 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
This was asked or purposed when they counts were added. I'm not sure if they decided not to do it or what occurred. It would start to get crowded, but it would be nice to see something like:
State: All (n) | In progress (x) | Pending (x) | Valid (x) | Invalid (x) | Error (x)
Application: All (n) | Astropulse v505 (x) | AstroPulse v6 (x) | SETI@home Enhanced (x) | SETI@home v7 (x)
Hardware: All (n) | Astropulse CPU (x) | Astropulse GPU (x) | SETI@home Enhanced CPU (x) | SETI@home Enhanced GPU (x)


Actually, you would only need CPU/GPU/All on the hardware line ... The applications are already selectable on the line above ...

Hardware: All (x) | GPU (x) | CPU (x)

So how would you select between ATI and Nvidia then?

Claggy


My original thinking didn't account for mixed types of GPU's. From the sUser task list it is easy to get a mixed list of GPU tasks, but from the computer view it would generally only be one or the other. Except in those rare cases where both exist.

So this might be more fitting & uses the current syntax for anonymous apps. As the stock apps use cuda, cuda23, or cuda_fermi they should be included in the filter for NVIDIA GPU, obviously.

Other Coprocessor would be for the yet unknown types that may exist in the future. Such as the MIC devices & other dedicated coprocessor cards.

State: All (n) | In progress (x) | Pending (x) | Valid (x) | Invalid (x) | Error (x)
Application: All (n) | Astropulse v505 (x) | AstroPulse v6 (x) | SETI@home Enhanced (x) | SETI@home v7 (x)
Processor Type: All (n) | CPU (x) | NVIDIA GPU (x) | ATI GPU (x) | Other Coprocessor(x)


Sure it is all just smoke in the wind right now, but maybe one of the guys somewhere will think it isn't such a bad idea. Then bang it out in one of their other, other, other, other, other, or other free moments. Which is probably that brief moment between waking up and opening their eyes.

EDIT: As for state sub types the invalid would be nice as well as the actual pending ones. So would a filter for different error types. I think one for each error type should do...
3992) Message boards : Number crunching : A Modest Suggestion for Tasks Button (Message 1217325)
Posted 12 Apr 2012 by Profile HAL9000
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This was asked or purposed when they counts were added. I'm not sure if they decided not to do it or what occurred. It would start to get crowded, but it would be nice to see something like:
State: All (n) | In progress (x) | Pending (x) | Valid (x) | Invalid (x) | Error (x)
Application: All (n) | Astropulse v505 (x) | AstroPulse v6 (x) | SETI@home Enhanced (x) | SETI@home v7 (x)
Hardware: All (n) | Astropulse CPU (x) | Astropulse GPU (x) | SETI@home Enhanced CPU (x) | SETI@home Enhanced GPU (x)
3993) Message boards : Number crunching : Lunatic optimized = lower RAC? (Message 1217259)
Posted 12 Apr 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
When I built my new rig with dual Xeon I was rising past 30k daily RAC and the graph looked like it'd peak at about 50k but when I installed optimized Lunatic files, the RAC dropped to under 15k and seemed to flatline there.

I checked the results, there were very few errors (about 1.5% of total WU returned) so it couldn't be from too many errors.

It's almost as if optimized files are going through too fast, getting me less credit for time and with bandwidth issue still on, I can't get enough WU to keep my machine from idling about 20 hours a day :/

Are you sure that your machine was not just having issues getting work to process? Recently that was a large issues. I had several machines run completely out of work for more than a day. I noticed your system currently has 380 tasks to process. My dual Xeon E5645 processes about that many on the CPUs in a day. I have found a cache of 1 day not to be sufficient to maintain constant processing.
3994) Message boards : Number crunching : i7 Hyperthreading + GPU + Most Efficient Seti Workload (Message 1217256)
Posted 12 Apr 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Here's mine running about 6 days on 4 cores, with 1/10 of a day of work setting.

Then the last 6 days begging for 10 days of work on 8 cores, just got it yesterday.

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/show_host_detail.php?hostid=6593763

ie..without any tweeks.....yet. I'm banging. Compared to gett'in 3300 pts in 10 years....I got 42,000 today.

I'm really interested in how to get 40,000 a day out of my I7.

But don't have a clue how to get it.

Right now I'm second in RAC in my group, up against a guy with 34 computers, I have 4. And I'm out processing the other 98 active in the group.

Any suggestions would be welcome....If I have to put up another I7 2600K at the office I'll do it just to take the 34 computer dude out.

I'm sure he's on a network at work, and this is my home server HTPC network up against him. If you have any ideas make them simple, because I am stupid.

Any suggestions, I've been at this since 1999.....off...and...on.

As mentioned already using the 3rd party optimized applications from the lunatics would be a good place to start if you are up for that kind of thing. The downloads page is here if you have trouble finding it.

One of the advantages it would offer is to run more than 1 task at a time on the GPU. Which may or may not be something you would want to do. Everyone has their own needs out of their computer(s).

The top guy in your group has a big mix of machines, which oddly looks a lot like my list, & are probably dedicated crunchers. So depending on your crunching duty cycle you may or may not be able to take them even with superior hardware.
3995) Message boards : Number crunching : Update for GPU AP (both NV and ATi) to rev560 (Message 1217245)
Posted 12 Apr 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
So what's the advantage/disadvantage using that option or not using it?

If your GPU app is limited to CPUs 0 & 1 which are also running tasks then when you are loading work into the GPU it has to share CPU time with the other process while loading. With very fast GPUs this could add up to a significant amount of time in the long run. Even though it may only be a few seconds per task.
3996) Message boards : Number crunching : Welcome back, old ASUS Z9100L. (Message 1217044)
Posted 11 Apr 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Super Celeron is still alive.

LOL

Yeah but you might want to check on the speed step settings.

CPUID: Intel(R) Celeron(R) M processor 1.50GHz
Speed: 1 x 1094 MHz


Looks like it is clocking down on you, or maybe it was just a bit tired and was taking a break.
3997) Message boards : Number crunching : Interesting Linux processor speeds in 7.0.23 (Message 1217038)
Posted 11 Apr 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I've generally found the Whetstone benchmark come out within 5% of the clock speed on Core processors. With the Dhrystone being 2.5 or 3 times the Whetstone. Depending on if it is the x86 or x64 version of BOINC. So I have just been using that and disabling the 5 day benchmarks.
3998) Message boards : Number crunching : Short estimated runtimes - don't panic (Message 1216957)
Posted 11 Apr 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Has needed constant manual intervention all day.

I can't see why. It's not going to miss any deadlines so why not just let it go?

It had so many suspended GPU WUs that it was running out of GPU memory. I was getting error messages saying WUs were suspended waiting for GPU memory. By manually suspending them and releasing them a few at a time I have managed to get both GPUs in the system running properly again.

You could try temporarily unchecking the option to leave suspended WUs in memory in either your preferences or in Boinc.
I am not positive this works for GPU tasks, but if it does it might allow you to leave Boinc on autopilot.

It does work for both CPU & GPU applications. I have had to use that set to disabled as my GT8500 only has 256MB. So no room to run one and hold onto another.

Really? Which version of BOINC? I thought they'd dropped the (very brief) experiment of keeping GPU apps in video memory when suspended a long time ago. Wait while I look...

Edit ... that was easy.

The policy for GPU jobs:

* jobs are always removed from memory, regardless of checkpoint (GPU memory is not paged, so it's bad to leave an idle app in memory)

That's from the changelog for v6.6.12, 4 March 2009.

You are in fact correct. I just checked that with 6.12.33 I am using now and the 6.10.48 I was using before. I must have been remembering how it worked in a much older version or had some other issue where there were multiple GPU exes running on my 8500.
3999) Message boards : Number crunching : Short estimated runtimes - don't panic (Message 1216907)
Posted 11 Apr 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Has needed constant manual intervention all day.

I can't see why. It's not going to miss any deadlines so why not just let it go?


It had so many suspended GPU WUs that it was running out of GPU memory. I was getting error messages saying WUs were suspended waiting for GPU memory. By manually suspending them and releasing them a few at a time I have managed to get both GPUs in the system running properly again.

You could try temporarily unchecking the option to leave suspended WUs in memory in either your preferences or in Boinc.
I am not positive this works for GPU tasks, but if it does it might allow you to leave Boinc on autopilot.

It does work for both CPU & GPU applications. I have had to use that set to disabled as my GT8500 only has 256MB. So no room to run one and hold onto another.
4000) Message boards : Number crunching : Where to get good deals on hardware? (Message 1216868)
Posted 11 Apr 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Yeah, personally, I stick to WD. My four 500gb RE2's were bought at a time when there was a high reported failure rate in the feedback on Newegg and I had one fail on me after about 2.5 years. RMA'ed it through WD and they sent me a 500gb RE3. Before that failure, I bought another RE2 to have as a spare but ended up loading it up with data as just as single disk, so when I got the RE3, I moved the single RE2's data over to the RE3 and put the RE2 into the array to rebuild it.

Other than that, I have not had any other WD failures. Like I said before, I have a 4x500 raid5, and then I have an external enclosure that has 5 trayless hotswap bays, and that has 3x1tb Black and 2x640 Blue. I want to replace the 640s with 2TB Blacks. I was waiting for the prices on the 2TB drives to come down to around 150 or so and they got pretty close (I think around 175) and then the flood happened.

However, I had tons of bad experience with Deskstar and Travelstar back when IBM was making them, and I've heard they're not bad now that Hitachi makes them, but I got a bad taste of the name years ago and just stuck with it. I know Seagate is pretty reliable though, but I'll stick with WD.

Since most of my data is not redundant and is on the external setup, I need the peace of mind of knowing that there is a very high chance of it being safe. One of these days I'm going with a 15-disk raid6, but the 2TB RE4s are and always have been astronomical in price.

The drives from IBM were already being made by Hitachi. It was sort of like when IBM sold their desktop business to the company that was already producing the hardware, Lenovo. Hitachi was recently bought by WD after the flooding. So there is one less drive manufacture.
4001) Message boards : Number crunching : Recently at Berkeley's Seti@Home office ... (Message 1216644)
Posted 10 Apr 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Don't point the telescope at Sunderland ;)


Or whitehaven, particualy on a saturday night . . .

Or many other places one may name.

As the saying goes: "Looking for intelligent life out there because we can't find any here."
4002) Message boards : Number crunching : Where to get good deals on hardware? (Message 1216475)
Posted 10 Apr 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
wow. i didnt know thailand was where the HDD farms are ;-)

Yes it seems as though the flooding destroyed most of this years crop of HDD's. I'm hoping for a nice fresh batch in the fall. So I can replace/upgrade my aging RAID array of 1TB drives.

To give you an idea of how prices changed. I ordered a 750GB 2.5" drive for my HTPC October 15th for about $90. The following Monday they were listed for around $300. Six months later the drive is down to $120. The old 1TB 2.5" drives I bought in 2009 for $92.50 are currently selling for $102.
4003) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (73) Server problems? (Message 1216233)
Posted 9 Apr 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Yeah, something got whacked after that last outage.
My top rig had about 10 downloads that took almost an hour of retrying, and then they all screamed through.
Now it has about 30 downloads that again will not budge an inch.

And when I checked it this morning, it had gotten so many failed scheduler requests that the whole project was backed off for a couple of hours.



Eric posted in "News":
Posted: 7 Apr 2012 | 18:39:40 UTC
"We had network problems Thursday night and since then we've been flooded with connection attempts. I just altered some server parameters to prevent clients from holding on to a connection for too long in hope that will help some downloads complete. I was able to get my home downloads done after that.

We've been pegged at our bandwidth limit since we fixed the problem on friday."

____________________________________________________________________________
I guess altering those server parameters, didn't make things better though, on the contrary, things got really bad...

Normally reporting and such would failed pretty quickly. Looking over the logs from the weekend. It looks like they all timed out on the client side at 5 minutes.

I'm not sure if that is the indented effect, but if they are/were just dropping the connection on the server side I would have thought the client would have seen it occur.
4004) Message boards : Number crunching : Where to get good deals on hardware? (Message 1216219)
Posted 9 Apr 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I had an order I had to postpone once (around 2500$), it was almost 150$ more after a week when I finally made payment.

I thought computer parts lose value and drop in price quickly. LOL!

Well you thought wrong! :P

Hard drive prices are still going down, but haven't returned to the prices they were at before the flooding. Also memory prices are on their way up at the moment.
4005) Message boards : Number crunching : Where to get good deals on hardware? (Message 1216172)
Posted 9 Apr 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I use pricegrabber, nextag, and google shopping to find the cheapest places for what I want.. However these days most of the time the cheapest place they list for what I want ends up being amazon.
4006) Message boards : Number crunching : ok GPU geeks explain something to this geek. (Message 1214850)
Posted 6 Apr 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
No point hanging out for a MIC at the moment as it will be a chicken and egg situation. The software developers can't build the app to take advantage until the hardware is available (and they have one), so you might have a wait before the hardware becomes affordable enough that the developers can get one.

At the moment it's a race as to which manufacturers can get one out that is affordable and people can build apps for it. While the Intel is probably easier to code for being x86 based if its too pricey they there won't be a big enough user base for it for the software developers to bother.

Perhaps they will sell differing versions at differing price points.
MIC-i7
MIC-i5
MIC-i3
4007) Message boards : Number crunching : Development BOINC 7.0.25 (Message 1214788)
Posted 6 Apr 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Any minute now.

Apparently I have more clout than I knew. BOINC 7 release is postponed until most of the documentation is up-to-date. We're waiting for the Release Notes, most other pages are now updated (by yours truly).

Maybe tonight, but otherwise it'll be an Easter present. ;-)

Is the version to be "released" 7.0.25?
4008) Message boards : Number crunching : Splashtop streamer (Message 1214787)
Posted 6 Apr 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I use VNC to remote into my machines. I haven't have any issues with it messing with any GPU stuff. Sure it may slow down the CPU or GPU while your session is active but that is better than trashing work. Recently I have gone with UltraVNC instead of RealVNC, but there are several different versions out there.
4009) Message boards : Number crunching : Frequent HTTP Errors (Message 1214351)
Posted 5 Apr 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The command line worked. Will it function as a batch file?


AFAIK it should. you may need an extra command or two. It's been years since I wrote a batch, but all it does I think is open a command prompt in the directory the batch file is in, and run the commands line by line in the prompt.

Depending on the needs it would be %~dp0 or %CD%.
So something like this:
%CD%\boinccmd --set_network_mode never 10
%~dp0\boinccmd --set_network_mode never 10

or you could explicitly give the path like this:
"C:\Program Files\BOINC\boinccmd" --set_network_mode never 10

With spaces in names it is often required to use the quotes as I included in the example.

You cold also make it repete itself every so often if you wanted like this:
%~dp0\boinccmd --set_network_mode never 10
timeout 14400
%~f0

Timeout is a command that is supported in Vista and newer & %~f0 gets the current file name so the file will run itself again after the timeout counts down. In this case after 4 hours. For older OS's like XP you can get a version of timeout here. If you placed it in your windows or system32 directory it should let you use it from any location as those are both locations defined in the PATH by default.

I do something similar to the last example, but I am doing all of the machineS on my network at once. So it looks more like this.
%~dp0\boinccmd --host COMPUTER01 --passwd password --set_network_mode never 10
%~dp0\boinccmd --host COMPUTER02 --passwd password --set_network_mode never 10
%~dp0\boinccmd --host COMPUTER03 --passwd password --set_network_mode never 10
%~dp0\boinccmd --host COMPUTER04 --passwd password --set_network_mode never 10
%~dp0\boinccmd --host COMPUTER05 --passwd password --set_network_mode never 10
%~dp0\boinccmd --host COMPUTER06 --passwd password --set_network_mode never 10
%~dp0\boinccmd --host COMPUTER07 --passwd password --set_network_mode never 10
%~dp0\boinccmd --host COMPUTER08 --passwd password --set_network_mode never 10
%~dp0\boinccmd --host COMPUTER09 --passwd password --set_network_mode never 10
%~dp0\boinccmd --host COMPUTER10 --passwd password --set_network_mode never 10
timeout 14400
%~f0
4010) Message boards : Number crunching : are MB 6.03's still being generated? (Message 1214253)
Posted 5 Apr 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
That is how I think I've heard it explained before :) (I think). So the 360 WU's assigned to my 1 GPU and the 5 assigned to my 4 CPU's is a fluke that should clear up eventually??

Is this a result of chance ... requesting lopsidedness ... or server assignment lopsidedness ... or something else??

Ed F

BOINC operates in a way that it will normally try to fill up the work queue for the GPU first. Even when you have a "requesting work for CPU & GPU" most if not all often get assigned to the GPU.

I can see why they would write it that way. It doesn't make sense from a user point of view to keep filling up one queue at the expense of the other.

I imagine it would be far to much work to change the server/client to work in a way that the client just gets work and then runs it on the available devices.

Edit: When I say it will normally fill up the GPU first it is because it is normally the best device/app version.
4011) Message boards : Number crunching : are MB 6.03's still being generated? (Message 1214246)
Posted 5 Apr 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I',m down to 5 MB 6,03s (4 running and 1 waiting) and 250 6.10s (1 running 249 waiting) BUT the last request for more work got 45 6.10s and NO 6.03s...

Are 6.03s being generated??

Ed F

edit 5 min's later:

just requested cpu and gpu again and again got 45 MORE gpu WU's!!

There is no such thing as v6.03 or v6.10 work. Just multibeam work. Just as there is no such thing as CPU or GPU tasks. They are all the same. They just get assigned to a device when you request work.

The version number you are seeing is the number in your app_info.xml. Which corresponds to the default application version. If you look at the applications page you can see the current versions for all of the various apps.
4012) Message boards : Number crunching : Frequent HTTP Errors (Message 1214227)
Posted 5 Apr 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Running Windows XP x64 and client 6.10.60. I use command prompt and program files\boinc I type in "boinccmd --set network mode never 10" or "boinccmd -set network mode never 10". In either case boinccmd doesn't like the -set or --set portion of the argument.

I should have added a link to the page with the boinccmd commands in the first message, but I forgot to do so. As Gundolf mentioned the underscores are part of the command syntax. Without them it thinks you are trying a different command.

Since bouncing the network connection for BOINC clears up the issue for you I suspect you are having the same issue I do. Where BOINC just seems to get stuck with network communications at times.
4013) Message boards : Number crunching : Impossible Deadlines and Max tasks per day (Message 1214023)
Posted 4 Apr 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
It's an unfortunate side effect of the .vlar kludge, see message 1112328 for a full explanation.


I understand why there are those impossible deadlines but I cant get why they took that path... Wasn't possible to just skip the resend of vlars until the host asks for CPU work?

I mean, they have suspended the resends for a lot of time and nothing died, keeping a vlar some more time there as a ghost should not be worst than the full stop of the resends... (not a complain, just a doubt)

That would require another step in the process. As the not sending VLAR tasks to NVIDIA GPU's was done as just a quick patch I don't see why they would want to rewrite the scheduler/feeder code right now. If VLAR tasks were allowed to be sent to the NVIDIA GPU's again. Then all of the changes would just be wasted effort.

At the moment the only way to prevent this from occurring would be to only request work with the GPU and reschedule work to the CPU's.
4014) Message boards : Number crunching : Frequent HTTP Errors (Message 1214011)
Posted 4 Apr 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Something that I've found with all of my systems in the lab is that I sometimes need to disable and then re enable network communication with BOINC. I will see transfers where it shows a transfer speed or a 'schedule request in process'. However in reality nothing is moving. So I just set network activity to suspend for about 5 seconds and then switch it back on.

To do it quickly form the command line I use:
boinccmd --host %hostname% --passwd %password% --set_network_mode never 10

If you are doing locally on one machine you don't need to include the host and password info.
boinccmd --set_network_mode never 10

The 10 at the end is the number of seconds before the network will go back to the previous state.
4015) Message boards : Number crunching : ok GPU geeks explain something to this geek. (Message 1213970)
Posted 4 Apr 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
There are often adapters to allow larger cards to be inserted. Here is one for an example. $40 seem rather high so I would suggest shopping around.

These adapters also add .5" to 1" to the height. So if you were using full height cards in a case they would stick up to high to secure without using something like a stand off post in the screw slot. Also the case may not be able to be closed in such a situation.


Yea I can probably work through the fitting of such a thing, I have all the tools and hardware needed. And there are adapters that use a cable, so instead of the cards height being raised, you just stick it in (the area of) a different slot.

But again, this all seems very messy, I'm not sure I'd trust the stability or even workability of such a setup... (not to mention SuperMicro server boards are very finicky about cards and RAM that's not specific server hardware.)

I'd much rather:
...find some internal "compute" cards that fit 8x slots and will actually work with boinc or other crunching..

There could be issues with the cards not getting enough power as well. As PCIe limits cards that are not video cards to 25w per slot. As the x8 slots were not intended to be used with video cards they may not be able to provide the full 75w from the slot. With the additional power connectors on the cards it may not be an issue. My cars that are spec'd in the 150w range have 2 6 pin PCIe power connectors. So I would imagine that 99% of the power draw is from the additional power connectors instead of the slot.
4016) Message boards : Number crunching : ok GPU geeks explain something to this geek. (Message 1213965)
Posted 4 Apr 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
While X8 does not have the throughput of the X16, for SETI work it should be able to do a lot.. and the GPU will fit.

In other words there should be no problem dropping something like an Nvidia GTX 580 into such a slot,


I was reading that 2 x16 cards tend to run at x8 anyways when both being used.
so.

1: an x16 card will physically fit into an x8? is this correct? I thought there was a few mm size difference (Is the card's slot keyed to be able to fit in an x8?)

2: can SLI be supported simply with the connector used to connect two cards, or must your board support sli? Or does sli not matter, (i.e. can the boinc software use 2 gpu's efficiently if they're not "connected" to each other with SLI?)

With PCIe there are two considerations when taking about the slots. One is the physical size of the and the other is how many electrical lanes it has. So you may see the nomenclature of PCIe x8 (in a x16 slot) or PCIe x16 (x8 electrical).

I have slots that are both PHYSICALLY and ELECTRICALLY 8x
(none that are 16x in ANY sense) That's my dilemma. I need to be sure of a PHYSICAL fit, before I consider even choosing what to buy.

No a larger card will not fit into a smaller one. Unless the connector is one where the end is open allowing larger card to be inserted.

There are often adapters to allow larger cards to be inserted. Here is one for an example. $40 seem rather high so I would suggest shopping around.

These adapters also add .5" to 1" to the height. So if you were using full height cards in a case they would stick up to high to secure without using something like a stand off post in the screw slot. Also the case may not be able to be closed in such a situation.
4017) Message boards : Number crunching : ok GPU geeks explain something to this geek. (Message 1213960)
Posted 4 Apr 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
While X8 does not have the throughput of the X16, for SETI work it should be able to do a lot.. and the GPU will fit.

In other words there should be no problem dropping something like an Nvidia GTX 580 into such a slot,


I was reading that 2 x16 cards tend to run at x8 anyways when both being used.
so.

1: an x16 card will physically fit into an x8? is this correct? I thought there was a few mm size difference (Is the card's slot keyed to be able to fit in an x8?)

2: can SLI be supported simply with the connector used to connect two cards, or must your board support sli? Or does sli not matter, (i.e. can the boinc software use 2 gpu's efficiently if they're not "connected" to each other with SLI?)

With PCIe there are two considerations when taking about the slots. One is the physical size of the and the other is how many electrical lanes it has. So you may see the nomenclature of PCIe x8 (in a x16 slot) or PCIe x16 (x8 electrical).
4018) Message boards : Number crunching : Can't get GPU Work - XXXI (Message 1213948)
Posted 4 Apr 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
There are new settings under network usage:

---Maintain enough tasks to keep busy for at least (max 10 days): ......XXX days
---... and up to an additional: .......................................................XXX days

Same settings. Just new names.

"Connect about every n days" = "Maintain enough tasks to keep busy for at least"
"Additional work buffer" = ... and up to an additional"

Where I was running 0 & 10 I now have 3 & 10. Although I guess 3 & 7 would work for me to have 10 days of work. If there were not limits imposed.
4019) Message boards : Number crunching : Can't get GPU Work - XXXI (Message 1213940)
Posted 4 Apr 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
With 6.12 I found it operates like 7.x does. In that if you set "Connect about every n days" to 0 it tends to not request work. So I have set mine to 3 now. The web page options says "Maintain enough tasks to keep busy for at least (max 10 days)."
4020) Message boards : Number crunching : Upgrading SETI@Home: Current Hardware Fundraising Projects (Message 1213671)
Posted 3 Apr 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
both show "wired" to me.

But if they need batteries I will personally make sure they get batteries.


Both the Keyboard and Mice are wired. Wireless is nice for freedom of movement but they eat batteries like it's cool.

Indeed they do. My HTPC mouse seems to eat a battery every 2-3 months. If the guys wanted wireless input devices I would think one of those large 24 pack of batteries would become a reoccurring fundraiser.
4021) Message boards : Number crunching : Impressive after market GPU cooling (Message 1213665)
Posted 3 Apr 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
That does look like it should provide some impressive cooling.

I had a catastrophic issue with an Arctic Cooling product once before. With my old x800 based all in wonder. When I flipped the switch on the fan to high speed it fried to card. As the fan was plugged into the cards fan header. At that time their support didn't seem to exist. I don't know how they are these days.
4022) Message boards : Number crunching : Best vintage 775 sli motherboard? (Message 1213662)
Posted 3 Apr 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I am still running a Gigabyte GA-EP45T-UD3P as my main system. Which does the PCIe x16 or x8/x8 dance.
4023) Message boards : Number crunching : ok GPU geeks explain something to this geek. (Message 1213562)
Posted 3 Apr 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
A lot of servers are just stores of information that is accessed by the user's workstations and therefore the server function are mainly i/o processes. (front-end processing)
But on other systems the servers actually do the processing, allowing the users computers to be fairly cheap simple machines. (back-end processing) In this case gpu processing might be worth while, if it is maths intensive.

And that's kind of what I'm getting at... I use my server not just as a file store, but as a full out system running applications, and virtual machines, all forwarded to the displays of various clients, usually 2-3 clients at a time have one or more window/application running directly on the server. This all goes surprisingly well with a new age Xeon, true server board, and 16 Gigs of ram. (50% proc time goes to seti besides!)
I guess the question has already kind of been answered that it would be better with a GPU backing it, if of course the system was designed with that use in mind, as are these pre-built ones already mentioned in the thread.

Like I said, I'll be waiting for motherboards to support using the add-on GPUs as part of its native processing structure.
Edit, they already exist. Now I know what kind of board is going in my next workstation. I better start saving up now.

-Dave

Perhaps the coprocessor boards Intel is making will work more in that fashion.
4024) Message boards : Number crunching : how much GPU can the download server support? (Message 1213560)
Posted 3 Apr 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
BOINC has had the restriction against asking for more work while any downloads are stalled for a long time, stalled meaning they're counting down to a retry. But even the 7.0 series seems to be configured to allow asking for work when there are none in that state, IOW when downloads are in progress even if no actual data is flowing.

The big change in 7.0 is of course it's hysteresis work fetch. It doesn't ask for work until what's on hand is less than set by the preference which formerly had the advice saying it should be set to 0 if you have a 24/7 internet connection. I think when a 7.0 version gets to recommended status there will be a lot of users asking why it doesn't ask for work like previous versions. And I think many will then go and change the web preference and ask why it didn't help, so will need advice about the local preference settings. As that feature of 7.0.x hasn't been mentioned previously in this thread, there's a small possibility it may be involved in zombie67 [MM]'s problems.

Rom Walton had noted a week or so ago that he thought 7.0.23 might become a recommended version, and although there have been some quick bug fixes since, he's directed the Alpha testers not to do a full set of tests on those additional minor step revisisions. So there may be a 7.0.x recommendation very soon.
                                                                  Joe

I noticed that same behavior in 6.12.33. As my computers were letting work run down to just what was running before requesting more work I changed the web option to 3 from 0.
4025) Message boards : Number crunching : communication deferred question. (Message 1213559)
Posted 3 Apr 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hi.

BM says communication deferred 5.00mins after BM 7.x.x has requested work.
Then it waits for like another 5 mins after the "communication deferred" 5mins has elapsed.
I also see a "fetch deferal interval" in properties of the project in BM under projects tab. And that is 600seconds.
What is the point in having 2 alternate ways when to request more work.

I tried to change the 600 seconds interval in client_state.xml and client_state_prev.xml files but they just gets back to "normal".

If you ask me 120seconds would be along waiting. This should be an automated work fetching thing in the 21'st century where a millisecond is too much!!!

//TRuEQ


//TRuEQ

In addition to what LadyL said.
You can try to request work as often as you like, but the server will ignore any request that occurs sooner than about every 5 minutes. That was enabled a while ago on the server side as the hardware just can't keep up with all of the requests. I'm sure they have thought about bumping that up to 10 minutes even.
4026) Message boards : Number crunching : Why do gpu's stop doing work (Message 1213555)
Posted 3 Apr 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I'm wondering Vic if you arn't creating your own problems with all those extra programs that you're running, have you just tried running with Boinc Manager and without all those other programs?

I've always believed in "lean & mean".

Cheers.

I not sure if those other apps would be the cause. As I also seem to be having a similar, if not same, issue. With machines that run a clean OS and just the BOINC client without a manager most of the time.
4027) Message boards : Number crunching : Why do gpu's stop doing work (Message 1213457)
Posted 3 Apr 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I'm not sure that is solely a GPU issue. Recently I have found a few of my machine not processing anything for what seems like no reason. Where tasks will indicate "running" in manager, but the .exe's are no longer running running. Like you restarting BOINC gets everything going again. However, the past few times I have just restarted the machine. Seeing if it would stop doing that.

Perhaps there is some funky work out there causing this?
4028) Message boards : Number crunching : ok GPU geeks explain something to this geek. (Message 1213455)
Posted 3 Apr 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I am a tech/computer geek, have been for over 2 decades now. About 10 years ago was when I was last an avid PC gamer. So it's been about 10 years since I've really dealt with any GPU stuff.

In that time something happened, people started using GPUs for computing. Before seti@home I was already familiar with people building huge GPU running rigs for "bitcoin mining", (which is very similar processing to seti@home). Then I came here and saw that the power machines being used for this are along the same lines of design, and see that once again GPU's stomp CPUs with these types of tasks.

This is a curious phenomena to me, as I am from the school where your processor does the thinking, and the GPU processes your 3D graphics.

I mean I've been building my own rigs for years, not for crunching, but for a whole slew of other specialized things. When a machine is just going to "think" and be a "server" and probably not even have a monitor, I would never put a GPU in it. So my current server needs no GPU yet can process for example 10 GUI windows that are opened on other machines, as well as its virtual machines' desktops. I understand that in these cases the graphical processing is actually being done by the client machine on which I'm viewing the aforementioned.

But how come a GPU can't for example be added to a servers processing capability and help it be a better machine?

And someone try to draw a clear line for me, between CPU and GPU and why ones better than the other and for what types of things?

And, why can't GPU's replace CPUs?

-Dave

Nvidia for one does seem to be work towards that goal. Also Intel & some other companies are starting to develop co-processor cards. To add additional computing ability to machines.

The way the processors work for GPU's seems to different enough that they can not current replace a CPU, but for some things they can supplement it.

For a while now companies have made pre-configured GP GPU server systems as well.
http://www.supermicro.com/gpu/
http://www.hpcsystems.com/products/servers/GPU
4029) Message boards : Number crunching : Too much time...... (Message 1213309)
Posted 2 Apr 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I live in the mountains above sacramento in california. This spring has been quite snowy, and we really need it this year. I live at about 3500ft.

I am thinking of taping into the 50f air under my house this summer, Its an easy way to get some nice cool air. I sure hope that this does not cause a divorce, lol.

Just be sure to ask yourself "how comfy is the sofa". Then proceed.
4030) Message boards : Number crunching : Old Wu (Message 1213307)
Posted 2 Apr 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I'm going to stick with the same answer I had last week.
4031) Message boards : Number crunching : Too much time...... (Message 1212875)
Posted 1 Apr 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
.........on my hands today.

Its snowing out so I thought I would use this opertunity to see what my machine can do in a 24hr period with everything turned up to 12. I closed off the HVAC vent in my office and opend the window up all the way. All 4 cores are running at 100% and my temps are at 44 for the CPU and my GPU is at 44 also. :D

My wife just shakes her head as she walks by.

A year or two ago I played around with "natural" cooling like that. As I was renting a place with a sun room that was basically not insulated. So a nice 25ºF outside meant about the same in there. I would have to find the post but I think the old P4 I was playing with was running 50-60ºF overclocked and fully loaded in that room.
4032) Message boards : Number crunching : why do uploads stop (Message 1212873)
Posted 1 Apr 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
every day i have to reset my cable modem because work unit uploads have stopped. Is it that all the retries are causing a buffer in the modem to over flow or what? I don't think it is my server/NAT computer.

When we had the ancient nortel network equipment at work I would have to reboot the switches every few days when there were connection issues with S@H. Shortie storms and massive reties would cause them to start running really slowly. Even though they were reporting low CPU & memory usage. The throughput through them would just slow to a few kb/s instead of their 100Mb.

It got bad enough I made some scripts to reboot the switches once a week automatically. Maybe you can do that to your modem via SNMP?
4033) Message boards : Number crunching : Whats an acceptable (old) GPU? (Message 1212871)
Posted 1 Apr 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

In running linux various hosts before I have noticed they do tend to take longer to processes tasks, but I would expect far more than 100-450. Even using the stock application as you are.


Yea. It's a curious thing. Minsys p4 proc is a refurb... But yea we will see what happens with it in time.

I do see our measured floating point speeds are quite different. Yours measures at about 1.7 billion, mine at just over 1 billion. So there is definitely a difference between our procs, whether mines half fried or what, I'm not sure.

Also it's ubuntu (linux) 12.04. It's in daily builds, i.e. it's not a stable final release of the OS. perhaps the something still has to be tweaked.

Time will tell. we will see what kind of rac it gets.

-Dave

----Hmmm guess I'll have to get the lazypenguin up tomorrow with it's P4, for comparison sake. Now to decide what Linux distro I'll use. (The old lady starts to rant and roll her eyes at me...) :-)

Different versions and platforms of BOINC will generate different numbers for the benchmark. So trying to compare these two won't do much good. The benchmark it's just is used by BOINC for calculating how much work it needs. That is why I only run it once, round off the numbers and then launch BOINC telling it not to ever run benchmarks again. running benchmarks every 5 days seems rather silly if you ask me anyway.
4034) Message boards : Number crunching : Changing motherboard + CPU, what will Windows 7 say? (Message 1212869)
Posted 1 Apr 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Perhaps you could take a hole saw to that section of the case and then put a large fan guards over the hole. Perhaps with a filter to keep the fuzzies out.

Oh believe me, I have thought of that. But I'll have to figure that one out in peace. I'm also getting money back from taxes, so perhaps I can buy a bigger case.

Temperatures at the moment --with 3 Primegrid PPS LLRs, 1 Seti MB 6.03, 1 Seti AP v6 on the ATI-- 45C for core 1, 56C for core 2, 56C for core 3, 53C for core 4. A LOT less than last night, when all 4 cores were peaking in 98C.

Still, anyone know why core 1 is always about 8-10C cooler than the other cores?
(i5-2500K, stock clock, no OC yet)

On my i7-860 the cores run hottest by 0 3 1 2. That is idle, 4 threads or 8 threads fully loaded. I would guess it has to do with how the cores are arranged out on the die. Probably 0 & 3 are in the center. With 2 near the PCIe controller & 3 near the outer edge.
4035) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (73) Server problems? (Message 1212864)
Posted 1 Apr 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Something is wrong!! I have nothing to complain about. We must be nearing the end of the world.

Save us ET, save us.

Best April fools EVER!
4036) Message boards : Number crunching : Whats an acceptable (old) GPU? (Message 1212667)
Posted 1 Apr 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thanks. I won't wast my time with that box then. :-)

all I needed to hear

The GPU may not be able to do anything for S@H, but the CPU should still be able to run a few hundred for RAC. I have a 3.2GHz P4 that is running about 730 RAC at the moment.


Why is my "minsys" p4 @ 3.4 ghz and 4 gigs of ram (i.e. its not struggling) only pushing 100rac? (after looking it seems like some days it may actually be doing upwards of 450. some days.)

:-(

edit: yes its running linux. I may look into something more optimized. another thing to note is minsys' processor is a refurb so who knows whats going on in there...

And I unfortunately wont be buying any gpu's for any current equipment I have. The next GPU I buy will be for my next workstation build, which is at least a year or more away.

So ill concentrate on pushing out as much as I can just out of the processor on minsys. Once I figure out what works best, I'll put that other p4 system (lazypenguin) online (until it's junk psu dies) :-)

-Dave

Hmm it looks like that is a prescott P4 seeing as it has 1MB of cache. I have 2 systems with the same CPU, here & here, that run 800-1000 RAC.

In running linux various hosts before I have noticed they do tend to take longer to processes tasks, but I would expect far more than 100-450. Even using the stock application as you are.
4037) Message boards : Number crunching : Changing motherboard + CPU, what will Windows 7 say? (Message 1212353)
Posted 31 Mar 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Well, nice. The new HSF is installed, now I just can't close my case, as the copper rods of the HSF stick out... I need another centimeter, that is if I take the 80mm fan off of the side of the case. ;-)

Oh well, let's first see how hot this gets this way. In the past month it had attracted a lot of dust and cat-hair already. If you really must need thick haired cats, make sure your computer room has its own slight overpressure, so no dust and hair can get in. Is the only way, I bet. ;-)


Perhaps you could take a hole saw to that section of the case and then put a large fan guards over the hole. Perhaps with a filter to keep the fuzzies out.
4038) Message boards : Number crunching : How to release orphaned MB WUs? (Message 1212342)
Posted 31 Mar 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
You can abort them, I believe, in the Tasks tab.


jravin: Yes in theory, I "could" abort them IF my PC could connect to the project using it's OLD ID, BUT now my PC attaches to the S@H project using it's NEW ID (so it doesn't know anything about the OLD PC's orphaned Work Unit cache). Is there a temporary hack (eg an edit in some BOINC xml file(s)) to set the PC to use the OLD ID such that I could then abort the Old PC's WUs, and then "restore" the hacked file)s) back to the New PC ID?

I would think you would need to enter the old values into your client_state.xml for <host_cpid> & <hostid>, but there may be more requirements.

The merge system is very... wonky. Sometimes it lets me merge completely different machine and other time I can't merge the same machine when it spontaneously generates a new ID.
4039) Message boards : Number crunching : Welcome back, old ASUS Z9100L. (Message 1212328)
Posted 31 Mar 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Well, 64+ hours for a Beta 6.01 AP, run on stock app. Now I wait for a 6.01 AP on main, run with Opt AP6_win_x86_SSE_CPU_r555. It will be very interesting to see how much faster it is on the Celeron Super Duper CPU. Probably totally useless knowledge though, since I'm probably one of the few who is stupid enough to still crunch on a CeleronM, 1.50GHz.

As usual AP on main is not easy to get. I can wait though, I'm only 56 :-)

Well until recently I was running my Pentium M 1.5GHz notebook. Granted I overclocked the snot out of it. So it did have a RAC in the 550-650 range. I never did run AP work on it, but maybe I will do some more since the weather decided to turn cooler again for a while.


Heh, but your Pentium M is a speed demon compared to my Celeron:

Your Pentium M:

Measured floating point speed: 2000 million ops/sec
Measured integer speed: 4100 million ops/sec



My Celeron M:

Measured floating point speed: 1398.6 million ops/sec
Measured integer speed: 2802.82 million ops/sec

Those benchmark numbers are actually just from when I did the pin mod to go form 100MHz to the 133MHz bus. Taking the 1.5GHz to 2.0GHz.
I didn't update it again after ramping it up to 158MHz with setfsb. I'll have to remember to do that.

EDIT:
2374.5MHz with a 158.3MHz bus
3/31/2012 10:24:17 AM 2212 floating point MIPS (Whetstone) per CPU
3/31/2012 10:24:17 AM 4398 integer MIPS (Dhrystone) per CPU
4040) Message boards : Number crunching : Looking for socket 771 motherboard(s) (Message 1212178)
Posted 31 Mar 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Do you have a US equivalent of Chiltern IT Parts?

There might be, but I'm not aware of any such place at this time.

4041) Message boards : Number crunching : Looking for socket 771 motherboard(s) (Message 1212177)
Posted 31 Mar 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Is the memory you have DIMMs or FB-DIMMs? All the boards with 5000 or 5400 series chipsets need FB-DIMMs. The 5100 chipset will take PC2-5300R (333MHz) DDR2 RDIMMs and I know the Supermicro X7DCA-L has a 5100 chipset.

I actually have a mix of 16 FB and 26 Registered DIMM's. So I will have to definitely have to keep that in mind when I am shopping. The board you pointed out is one I had my eye on, but I have only seen it sold new. Where it ranges $240-$300.

Right now I am only up to $61 total, with shipping, for the memory and the 8 CPU's.
4042) Message boards : Number crunching : Whats an acceptable (old) GPU? (Message 1211996)
Posted 30 Mar 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thanks. I won't wast my time with that box then. :-)

all I needed to hear

The GPU may not be able to do anything for S@H, but the CPU should still be able to run a few hundred for RAC. I have a 3.2GHz P4 that is running about 730 RAC at the moment.
4043) Message boards : Number crunching : Looking for socket 771 motherboard(s) (Message 1211993)
Posted 30 Mar 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
HP prolliants. (DL160 & DL380) on eBay .

£50 - £70

These boards seem the cheapest.

john3760

Thanks. I'll have to look into those.
There is a nice page on Wikipedia were I was able to find the info about which Dell systems supported what I was looking to acquire. However, I haven't come across something like that for HP, Intel, or IBM hardware.
4044) Message boards : Number crunching : Welcome back, old ASUS Z9100L. (Message 1211595)
Posted 29 Mar 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Well, 64+ hours for a Beta 6.01 AP, run on stock app. Now I wait for a 6.01 AP on main, run with Opt AP6_win_x86_SSE_CPU_r555. It will be very interesting to see how much faster it is on the Celeron Super Duper CPU. Probably totally useless knowledge though, since I'm probably one of the few who is stupid enough to still crunch on a CeleronM, 1.50GHz.

As usual AP on main is not easy to get. I can wait though, I'm only 56 :-)

Well until recently I was running my Pentium M 1.5GHz notebook. Granted I overclocked the snot out of it. So it did have a RAC in the 550-650 range. I never did run AP work on it, but maybe I will do some more since the weather decided to turn cooler again for a while.
4045) Message boards : Number crunching : No tasks available and the 400 WUs per GPU limit (Message 1211594)
Posted 29 Mar 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Ray, when the APR cap is changed we NEED the limits. Especially on anonymous platform.

As I said at 29 Mar 2012 | 9:49:26 UTC
I am not saying the limit should be removed, rather that it should be replaced by one that reflects how many WUs are needed.

It will probably be adjusted upward in steps, as adjustments are made to the Boinc server code and the hosts have some time to acclimate to them. Probably over a period of many weeks or even a few months.

I, for one, shall be very happy to see the process at least get underway until Boinc once again controls cache size according to the user's preferences rather than by an arbitrary limit.

I am sure they picked the current limits after many hours of careful thought. Instead of "erm... how about 50 for CPU's & 8 times as much for GPU's?". :)

I think we would all have the issue fixed instead of just changing the band-aid. I'm not sure how much fixing the server issue is for the BOINC guys. I would have thought rolling back to code before introducing the issue would have been the best idea, but that would make sense. And we can't have that now can we! (:
4046) Message boards : Number crunching : Possible fundraising idea? Auction off the old servers? (Message 1211240)
Posted 28 Mar 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I do understand that there might be limits to what can be done with university equipment. I am not advocating breaking rules. Obviously before selling University equipment, permission would need to be acquired. I took that as a given, considering the age of the servers that are being retired soon. Those servers have far less computing power than the personal computer that I recently retired, never mind my current $1500 machine. It should be very easy to convince people that these machines, which will otherwise be either cannibalized, recycled, or simply trashed, would be a possible source of significant collectables income.

I think they still have the original Sun servers from the classic days taking up space in the lab. So I doubt any of the more recent boxes are going anywhere. I have a feeling the guys are possibly pack rats. lol
The outgoing boxes might be old, but they still have plenty of grunt to run some things. They are just not up to the demands of the project anymore.
4047) Message boards : Number crunching : Looking for socket 771 motherboard(s) (Message 1210980)
Posted 28 Mar 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
have you considered looking on eBay? ; )

In related news the sky is blue! :P

I'm not really familiar with a lot of companies that make server/workstation boards except the large PC makers, Super Micro, & Intel. While they all make nice bits they are geared more for the mid to high end server environment, with lots of features I don't really need.
4048) Message boards : Number crunching : Lunatics Windows Installer v0.40 release notes (Message 1210784)
Posted 27 Mar 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
SHHH!! We're demanding refunds, just go along with it. ^^

I have another one trying to download now, I'll be interested to see the performance of the new application.

I think if you are issued a refund you forfeit ever being able to claim your free toaster.
4049) Message boards : Number crunching : Looking for socket 771 motherboard(s) (Message 1210783)
Posted 27 Mar 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have recently acquired, via ebay, several Xeon 5160 CPU's & a load of PC2-3200 1GB ECC dimms. For nearly nothing.

So now I need to find some low cost motherboards to get everything going. New I see these kind of boards start around $250. Which isn't bad until you figure on 5 or 7 of them. The Super Micro X7DWA-N with dual PCIe x16 slots is nice but also seems to be around $400 a pop. Not that I am even considering putting GPU's in the system at the moment, but if they will take them I might later.

I see people selling bare bones Dell PowerEdge 1950's & 2950's pretty cheap. While $160 for a board, heatsinks, chassis, and PSU seems pretty good I'd like to find a cheaper solution.

Also the only intent for these systems is my amusement. I don't have anything in mind for them other then to run some seti@home.
4050) Message boards : Number crunching : Pending Credit (Message 1210281)
Posted 26 Mar 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
There are several tasks stuck in this state. It is unknown when the guys in the lab will be able to resolve this.
4051) Message boards : Number crunching : SETI@home screensaver not running on some Macs (Message 1209261)
Posted 23 Mar 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Well the machine got some work. I started with a clean OS & it has the issue right away. So it is probably an error in the 6.05 application they released in September. Rather than any type of installation or configuration issue. The application pages lists two MAC apps "Mac OS/X 10.3+" & "Mac OS X/Intel". I guess they are using separate binaries instead of a universal one then.
4052) Message boards : Number crunching : Kepler ... the good news ... (Message 1209260)
Posted 23 Mar 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The first task which I think failed was Task 2363542721

The second which seemed to run ok was 2363542731

At a normal setting for the gpu the task used was 2363542787

Rather aggressive overclock was task 2363542799

Slightly less aggressive overclock was task 2363542797

Looks like 2 of the 4 valid tasks on your machine are from the 680. With the only failures being download errors. So lets hop the rest look as good!
4053) Message boards : Number crunching : Kepler ... the good news ... (Message 1209241)
Posted 23 Mar 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I expect this version of a 680 should help those benchmarks.
http://news.softpedia.com/news/Zotac-Prepares-2GHz-GeForce-GTX-680-Yes-Really-260485.shtml
4054) Message boards : Number crunching : How do you get more WUs? (Message 1209097)
Posted 23 Mar 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
...
Is there a way for me to stockpile more than 24 hours worth of GPU work?

There's a fussy way to increase the chances of having more than 24 hours. Sort the tasks in BOINC Manager by deadline, suspend all which have deadlines more than 3 weeks away. The remaining tasks would be those which take between 2 and 3 minutes on your GPU, let them crunch until most are gone (they're also relatively quick on CPU). Then unsuspend all tasks, BOINC ought to report those completed shorties and with luck will get new work with longer runtimes. 400 tasks with ~12 minute runtimes when run 2 at a time is about 40 hours.

Having suspended tasks inhibits work requests, so when there is difficulty getting work you have to balance lost opportunities against the possible increase in stockpiled/cached work.
                                                                   Joe

Another trick to get BOINC to force out shorties like that is the set the connect every n days high. To say 30. Which also stop fetching new work, but does keep processing once all of the shorties are forced out.
4055) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (72) Server problems? (Message 1208970)
Posted 22 Mar 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have stopped micro managing my computers. I run them now 50% Main, and 50% Beta (stock of course on Beta), and they'll get what they get.


I guess even a trivial amount of math can get a brain kickstarted, 'cause I just had an epiphany. Subconsciously I arbitrarily assumed that Beta WU are "test" WU. But reading Sten's post I realize I had no basis whatsoever to make that assumption! So which is it, are Beta WU recycled WU or are they new & valid science?


I may be wrong, but I do not think the project use the results from Beta WU's, for the science of Seti@home. However it's science anyhow IMO, the science of testing new applications to run the real science on.

Hmm, I wonder if what I meant to say, came out as I meant it to come out. :-)

LOL

IIRC beta uses old work from the main project.
4056) Message boards : Number crunching : How do you get more WUs? (Message 1208968)
Posted 22 Mar 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

Depends on the relative speed of the GPUs. The limit is set according to the number of GPUs, so a host with a single, very fast GPU is going to run out of work much faster than a host with multiple, although slower GPUs.


I realize that but I was thinking that the #1 PC in RAC would have run out of GPU work before me. Does Seti treat a 590 as two GPUs as opposed to one (and thereby give it twice the work) since I'm pretty sure it's a heck of a lot more powerful than my 570?

The limit are per GPU not per card. So the top host with "[8] NVIDIA GeForce GTX 590" can cache 3200 tasks of GPU work, or 3500 including their CPU's.
4057) Message boards : Number crunching : SETI@home screensaver not running on some Macs (Message 1208855)
Posted 22 Mar 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thanks for the replies.

I did of course know that the screensaver isn't necessary for the processing of workunits and they continue to be crunched on my G5 and validated with no problems at all. I'm also not particularly bothered about the lack of graphics, since I have the BOINC screensaver set to go to darkness after a short time anyway. My purpose in posting was simply to report that I and several other Mac users who've had cause to reinstall the software since September have found that the S@H screensaver no longer displays, which suggests either a recently introduced fault in the software or the absence of the software on the server. This is probably easily fixed and something those responsible may like to do.

HAL9000 wrote:
Was your upgrade to 10.5.8 just from an older 10.5 or did you go from an older OS entirely. Such as 10.3 or 10.4 like that? Which release of BOINC are you using?


Hi, Hal. The G5 was running 10.4.11 until a couple of weekends ago. The S@H app was Enhanced 6.05 and the screensaver was working then. When I upgraded to 10.5.8, I wanted to keep 10.4.11 for some of its legacy features, so I partitioned the hard disk (effectually erasing all the data) and installed the two systems on separate volumes. I reran the BOINC (6.10.58) installer on the 10.5.8 system only and reattached to my projects. Everything appears to be working perfectly except that there's no S@H screensaver. Resetting the project has made no difference.

I came across the two threads I mentioned while searching the forums to see if the subject had come up before. The other posters seem to have various Mac OS and BOINC versions. The only things they have in common are having reinstalled since September and (in one thread, at least) PowerPC processors.

NG

Hmm well we are out of work at the moment. So I can't really go any further on the machine at the moment. :/
4058) Message boards : Number crunching : SETI@home screensaver not running on some Macs (Message 1208604)
Posted 21 Mar 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hi.

There have been a couple of threads in the Questions and Answers : Macintosh forum in the past six months concerning the failure of the SETI@home screensaver to run on Macintosh machines. This seems to affect machines where BOINC has been (re)installed and SETI@home (re)attached to in that time and one of the threads specifically mentions PowerPCs.

I've recently encountered this problem myself after upgrading the operating system on my G5. Neither thread seems to have been read by anyone who can explain or fix the problem, so I hope it's OK to bring it up again here.

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=66601
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=65431

NG

I'm much of a MAC person but I can normally fumble my around things. We do have a dual G5 text machine at work I try things on to see if I can reproduce the problem & see if I could figure something out.

Was your upgrade to 10.5.8 just from an older 10.5 or did you go from an older OS entirely. Such as 10.3 or 10.4 like that? Which release of BOINC are you using?
4059) Message boards : Number crunching : Kepler ... the good news ... (Message 1208524)
Posted 21 Mar 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I guess that we'll just have to wait and see on that score but usually they are correct most times.

Cheers.

On paper it didn't look that impressive either. Seems more like this should be a 640 or something instead of one of the top of the line cards. Unless they thing they are going to turn around and pull of 700's out of their hat.
4060) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (72) Server problems? (Message 1208226)
Posted 20 Mar 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
These laptop CPUs seem to be quite robust. Or is it just mine?... i5 M480 - I'm running it at ~80C for half a year now (goes up to 90C when running at least one VLAR).
And yes, I know running it that hot is BAD but I desperately want to destroy it (as an excuse to get a new laptop because I loathe the current one).
Works just fine and produces no errors or invalids either... :-(

Mobile CPU's just seem to take the abuse and like it. The thermal limit for your chip seems to be 105ºC btw.

I have overclocked my old Pentium M 1.5 GHz machine to 2374 MHz. It was a little unstable at the full 2.4GHz. Rebooting once every 3 or 4 days so I dropped it down a notch. The max temp was in the 70-72ºC range. While mostly running around 65ºC. Which is well below the thermal max of 100ºC for the chip. It is able to crank out a RAC in the 600-700 range to boot. Far better than the 250-300 it as doing at the stock speed.
4061) Message boards : Number crunching : Kepler ... the good news ... (Message 1208080)
Posted 19 Mar 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Is that `only` a pair of six pin power sockets i see on the 680,
or is the shadow hiding something ??

The 680 seems to only be spec'd at 195w. So a single 8-pin connector would do. I wonder why they opted for two 6-pin. As either way it is still 150w of additional power.
4062) Message boards : Number crunching : Out with the multi-GPU motherboard... (Message 1208074)
Posted 19 Mar 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I think those light peak boxes or a vidock might be more cost effective.

These products to expand that a machine was designed to do are always good to see.
4063) Message boards : Number crunching : Anythin You Can Do That will help??!+ (Message 1207948)
Posted 19 Mar 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Be prepared to yank it out or modifiy it when the new download server sstarts up. It will likely have a new IP address and you'll have problems if they take both of the current ones offline for other duty or retirement.

I would think they run an internal network address space for the servers and just route the external addresses to the boxes.
4064) Message boards : Number crunching : Updating for upcoming apps..... (Message 1207946)
Posted 19 Mar 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Looking forward. I've gone ahead and set NNT and suspended all the "ready to start" APs I've got.

One thing I'm wondering about though is over on the tasks page where it shows the stock application, once I go over to anon. platform, will that update, or will tasks originally assigned to the stock app still show and count to the application details as stock even though they were done with optimized?

The webpage always displays what the tasks were assigned to. So once you switch to the anon platform only new tasks will be marked as such.
4065) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (72) Server problems? (Message 1207943)
Posted 19 Mar 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I meant not YOUR posts, I meant two posts with obvious primeval sounds, after which I started to criticize.

And you speaking about offtopic is kinda like thief screaming "Get the thief!".
So let us keep it civil.

P.S. An ignore list would solve everything, but there isn't, unfortunatelly.


Of course there is an ignore list. http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/edit_forum_preferences_form.php near the bottom.

Mine is near the top these days. :/

Through all of the moaning did anyone notice the upload server has been going on/offline a few times today?
4066) Message boards : Number crunching : SETI@home preferences page (Message 1207890)
Posted 19 Mar 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

I was thinking the other day when they added the "SETI@home v7:" option last week that they should have added the ATI GPU option as well. As the logic of "no options unless there is a stock app" isn't being applied any longer.

Unfortunately it's a completely different situation. SETI@home v7 is just an empty holder. To get the ATI GPU option on the BOINC global preferences there must be an app_version with an ATI plan_class.

It could be done, but would be messy. They could add another app called e.g. Ectoplasm and then install in it a do-nothing app_version called BustTheGhost v1 with an ATI plan_class. Then the ATI GPU option would show, but also Ectoplasm would be splashed around the same places SETI@home v7 is now showing. As long as they never created any work for that app, no harm would be done (though they might possibly need to have a dummy assimilator program too).
                                                                  Joe

Wow I didn't think they had to do all of that since it has existed at beta for a while. In that they had already created everything, but just needed to turn it on.
I had figured the apps were just a sub-component of the larger type, like SETI@home Enhanced or Astropulse. That plan class bit throws me off all the time.
4067) Message boards : Number crunching : These make me go AAAARRrrgggghhhh (Message 1207884)
Posted 19 Mar 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thanks for the Link Joe...Maybe I posted wrong. I wanted INFO not a lecture or Flame Fest.

I wrote the message Joe linked over nine months ago, and you can tell from the opening words that I was already a bit exasperated with repeating the same information over and over again.

While I completely understand that even experienced users won't be able to read and remember everything that is written on these boards - and we all have our preferred areas which we read more assiduously than others - there are some issues which should have reached the status of FAQ by now. It would be most helpful if we had a repository of standard answers that we could refer readers new and old to, when subjects like this are raised again and again.

Maybe they could teak the code for the message to include a link to a page for "Possible reasons for timeouts". With the info in your message as well as the standard reason(s).
4068) Message boards : Number crunching : Anythin You Can Do That will help??!+ (Message 1207879)
Posted 19 Mar 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
What some of us do on our machines is we go into the HOSTS file and manually specify the faster and more reliable server and avoid getting the slow one that times out and has a lot of HTTP errors.

Can you give (or point me to) detailed instructions on how to do that?

Run.
notepad "c:\Windows\System32\drivers\etc\hosts"

Then enter:
208.68.240.13 boinc2.ssl.berkeley.edu
or
208.68.240.18 boinc2.ssl.berkeley.edu

Depending on whichever one works better for you.
4069) Message boards : Number crunching : FLOPS Values for Lunatic Optimized Apps? (Message 1207635)
Posted 18 Mar 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hi, everyone ...

I just downloaded and installed the latest Lunatic optimized apps for my machine, using the 0.39 Installer. Not surprisingly, my estimated run times are wildly off, although actual execution times seem to be fine.

As nearly as I can understand, I need to either insert or edit FLOPS values for my hardware in the app_info.xml file. What values do I need to change or put in, what's the XML variable name and format, and in which hierarchies do I need to store them? Obviously, I am neither experienced in XML or SETI files :))

I'm running Windows 7 x64, using a i7_x2700K Intel CPU, with a NVidia GTX 560 ti. All help will be gratefully appreciated.

If you wanted to add the value it is just <flops>n</flops>. Where n is the number you want. It accepts the values in which ever notation you like. So 200000000000, 200e9, or even 2e11. I preferred placing it after the app version or platform lines in the app_info.xml.

<app_version>
	<app_name>setiathome_enhanced</app_name>
	<version_num>610</version_num>
	<platform>windows_x86_64</platform>
	<flops>200e9</flops>
4070) Message boards : Number crunching : What are these things? (Message 1207565)
Posted 18 Mar 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thanks. I'll shut off the hyperthreading and that will cut the CPU tasks to 3. I ran in that configuration for months with no problems. It was just fun seeing 7 CPU tasks getting knocked off at once (although they took nearly twice as long.) I save most of the other CPU to feed the 2 GPU tasks. We'll see if that helps. Thanks again!

I leave HT on, but some do turn it off when also doing GPU tasks. I just limit BOINC to running x number of tasks. You can do that in the BOINC GUI setting "On multiprocessor systems, use at most 38% of the processors" for 3/8. You could also set another venue/location with those setting on the webpage if you desired. I use the entry in my cc_config.xml file and set it to 4. As that was the best option for me. YMMV.

Setting to limit to 3 CPU would also limit the machine to 150 CPU tasks. As the limits ate 50 per CPU core and 400 per GPU.


What's the XML tag for tasks in cc_config? I'll try your setup.

If you want to do it that way make sure you keep a handy reference to the instructions.

This is an example that you can use to start from if you are not already using a cc_config.xml file.
<cc_config>
	<log_flags>
	</log_flags>
	<options>
		<ncpus>4</ncpus>
	</options>
</cc_config>
4071) Message boards : Number crunching : These make me go AAAARRrrgggghhhh (Message 1207562)
Posted 18 Mar 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Are you messing with us or have you really not seen the multipule threads about GPU's requesting work and getting VLAR resend tasks? With VLAR tasks not being allowed to NVIDIA GPU's they are set as timeout.
4072) Message boards : Number crunching : What are these things? (Message 1207555)
Posted 18 Mar 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thanks. I'll shut off the hyperthreading and that will cut the CPU tasks to 3. I ran in that configuration for months with no problems. It was just fun seeing 7 CPU tasks getting knocked off at once (although they took nearly twice as long.) I save most of the other CPU to feed the 2 GPU tasks. We'll see if that helps. Thanks again!

I leave HT on, but some do turn it off when also doing GPU tasks. I just limit BOINC to running x number of tasks. You can do that in the BOINC GUI setting "On multiprocessor systems, use at most 38% of the processors" for 3/8. You could also set another venue/location with those setting on the webpage if you desired. I use the entry in my cc_config.xml file and set it to 4. As that was the best option for me. YMMV.

Setting to limit to 3 CPU would also limit the machine to 150 CPU tasks. As the limits ate 50 per CPU core and 400 per GPU.
4073) Message boards : Number crunching : Updating for upcoming apps..... (Message 1207544)
Posted 18 Mar 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Too bad that the BOINC server had its couple of disk crashes last year, those gobbled up all those old versions and their release dates which were at that time still available from the download site and its mirrors. No more. :-(



here are the dates I have for BOINC in my download archives ...



07/14/2004 12:05 PM 1,656,576 boinc_3.20_windows_intelx86.exe
08/27/2004 01:46 PM 1,668,080 boinc_4[1].05_windows_intelx86.exe
10/04/2004 09:21 PM 1,694,509 boinc_4.09_windows_intelx86.exe
10/12/2004 09:55 PM 1,697,170 boinc_4.12_windows_intelx86.exe
10/15/2004 06:03 PM 1,697,146 boinc_4.13_windows_intelx86.exe
02/13/2005 08:49 PM 1,697,670 boinc_4.19_windows_intelx86.exe
03/24/2005 01:08 PM 9,567,325 boinc_4.25_windows_intelx86.exe
08/20/2005 11:26 AM 392,791 boinc-445-sse.zip
08/20/2005 11:26 AM 365,258 boinc-445-mmx.zip
08/20/2005 11:27 AM 376,037 boinc-445-sse2.zip
10/27/2005 10:04 PM 10,514,521 boinc_5.2.5_windows_intelx86.exe
11/01/2005 03:28 PM 10,515,545 boinc_5.2.6_windows_intelx86.exe
11/17/2005 04:20 PM 10,524,249 boinc_5.2.7_windows_intelx86.exe
11/25/2005 11:29 PM 10,534,489 boinc_5.2.8_windows_intelx86.exe
11/27/2005 01:08 AM 10,542,170 boinc_5.2.12_windows_intelx86.exe
12/04/2005 10:16 AM 10,548,314 boinc_5.2.14_windows_intelx86.exe
02/17/2006 10:00 PM 10,546,778 boinc_5.2.13_windows_intelx86.exe
05/11/2006 11:29 PM 9,274,112 boinc_5.4.9_windows_intelx86.exe
01/03/2007 12:01 PM 9,304,320 boinc_5.4.11_windows_intelx86.exe
02/28/2007 01:30 PM 8,362,728 boinc_5.8.15_windows_intelx86.exe
09/06/2007 08:02 PM 6,967,200 boinc_5.10.20_windows_intelx86.exe
11/05/2007 02:41 PM 7,083,424 boinc_5.10.28_windows_intelx86.exe
12/09/2008 12:56 PM 7,127,456 boinc_6.2.19_windows_intelx86.exe
12/17/2008 10:11 PM 6,973,848 boinc_6.4.5_windows_intelx86.exe
12/19/2008 05:50 PM 3,579,540 Boinc_6.1.0.32_v5_release_x86.zip
09/15/2009 11:11 PM 6,694,304 boinc_6.6.36_windows_intelx86.exe
10/05/2009 10:48 AM 6,694,816 boinc_6.6.38_windows_intelx86.exe
12/06/2009 11:05 AM 7,354,272 boinc_6.10.18_windows_intelx86.exe
03/05/2010 08:43 PM 7,172,000 boinc_6.10.36_windows_intelx86.exe
04/07/2010 01:10 PM 7,177,120 boinc_6.10.43_windows_intelx86.exe
04/17/2010 10:28 PM 243,856 boinc and TM with AP Beta ATI13ATI.jpg
05/25/2010 01:51 AM 7,192,992 boinc_6.10.56_windows_intelx86.exe
08/04/2010 10:51 PM 7,216,544 boinc_6.10.58_windows_intelx86.exe
12/31/2011 05:07 PM 7,331,384 boinc_6.12.34_windows_intelx86.exe

I hope this helps

Ed F

Looking at one of my oldest boxes I have BOINC 4.25.0, dated 2005/03/08, on it with an app: ap_2.11_windows_intelx86.exe.
Perhaps I should fire it up and see if it will run the v6 AP application.
4074) Message boards : Number crunching : These make me go AAAARRrrgggghhhh (Message 1207540)
Posted 18 Mar 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Task
click for details
Show names Work unit
click for details Sent Time reported
or deadline
explain Status Run time
(sec) CPU time
(sec) Credit Application
2351869332 949686306 14 Mar 2012 | 15:32:44 UTC 14 Mar 2012 | 17:37:03 UTC Timed out - no response 0.00 0.00 --- SETI@home Enhanced
Anonymous platform (CPU)
2351869308 949686431 14 Mar 2012 | 15:32:44 UTC 14 Mar 2012 | 17:37:03 UTC Timed out - no response 0.00 0.00 --- SETI@home Enhanced
Anonymous platform (CPU)
2351869303 949686419 14 Mar 2012 | 15:32:44 UTC 14 Mar 2012 | 17:37:03 UTC Timed out - no response 0.00 0.00 --- SETI@home Enhanced
Anonymous platform (CPU)

Just because Your NVIDIA GPU can't handle, (the truth!), VLAR tasks doesn't make it the servers fault. :/

I have seen some say that newer cars don't have an issue as before. Maybe they could allow VLAR's to the v6.10 apps and not v6.08/v6.09 if that is true.
4075) Message boards : Number crunching : What are these things? (Message 1207538)
Posted 18 Mar 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Weird. I ran CPU benchmarks and got 439 fp mips and 1756 integer mips. Bad, bad. I stopped Boinc, restarted and core dumped. Reboot, rerun CPU benchmarks. Now they're 1728 fp mips 9486 integer mips. Anybody run into this or is it just me? I hadn't rebooted in a day or so. I've noticed this slowdown 3 or 4 times recently which a reboot corrects.

While benchmarks can be a useful thing they are not something to fret over. With Seti@home tasks you want to compare tasks be their AR(Angle Range). The one you referred to lists "WU true angle range is : 0.013978". The lower that number the longer tasks take. I have seen having nothing but VLAR tasks on a machine slow it down even more. If I remember correctly it has something to do with lower angle range doing more memory access or something along those lines.

I was having issues on my i7-860 HTPC if I had 8 VLAR's running at a time. Videos would become choppy, pause, or the video would go out of sync. I ended up cutting it down to only running 4 tasks at once. Comparing the RAC to my other five i7-860 boxes it did not seem to have a a great effect on the RAC of the machine. Sometimes it would be as high as 4th out of the six.
4076) Message boards : Number crunching : SETI@home preferences page (Message 1207525)
Posted 18 Mar 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Can we please have a "Use ATI GPU" box on the pref page? It's a choice on Beta's pref page, but not here.

Nag, nag, nag.

LOL

That's because there's an ATI application listed on Beta's application page, but there isn't one here.

Oh yea, +1 here too.

Claggy

I was thinking the other day when they added the "SETI@home v7:" option last week that they should have added the ATI GPU option as well. As the logic of "no options unless there is a stock app" isn't being applied any longer.
4077) Message boards : Number crunching : Boinc isnt auto updating. (Message 1207041)
Posted 17 Mar 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Even when there are WU available, it doesnt give me the amount it should. it gives me like 12 hours when I have it set for days...

You have to contend with about 230,000 other computers trying to fill their queues as well. Which a lot of them will not be able to do right now with the task limits imposed. Looking at the stats page and seeing "Results ready to send 234,523" doesn't tell you what you would need to know. Which would be many of the feeder request not not being met.
4078) Message boards : Number crunching : Building A Better SETI@Home: Hardware Donations (Message 1207035)
Posted 17 Mar 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

1. SSD's are impractical. For 45x2TB we'd need about $125,000.
2. I think we're going to scrap the 20 spare drives idea and instead look toward 5-10.


125,000$ / 45 = ? 2,777.78$ each ?


Give or take. http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/06/2tb-ssd-runs-crazy-fast-burns-desks/

I think you might have low balled it a bit.
960GB $2700
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227788

Also finding SSD's of large capacity that are not cards right now is somewhat rare.
4079) Message boards : Number crunching : SETI@home | Backing off 2 hr 45 min 50 sec on download (Message 1207028)
Posted 17 Mar 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
As issues go this one won’t cause me to shed many tears, especially so given SIV reported "HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Space Sciences Laboratory, U.C. Berkeley\BOINC Setup missing". I did not know BOINC would run if the registry was not setup and given you set all 3 entries to D:\BOINC\ I expect this will only work when both the BOINC programs and client data reside in the same rather than using 2 separate folders. Is this the case?

I am none too sure how I should make SIV work without the registry settings as it does not know where to find BOINC. I guess it could check for BOINC.exe being in the current folder and get the SIV start-up code to create the “missing” registry information. With your setup this would work if you either put all the SIV files in D:\BOINC\ or started SIV with D:\BOINC\ as the “Start in” location.

Would you be happy for SIV to create the registry entries and would the proposed solution be good enough?

If you don’t wish SIV to create the registry keys and values then I expect I could make it work without doing this. It would just be a slightly more pervasive change.

Yeah most issues won't make developers cry unfortunately. :(

BOINC doesn't require and registry entries to exist when you run it. It will make the entry "HKCU\Software\Space Sciences Laboratory, U.C. Berkeley\BOINC Manager", but that just stores the GUI settings for boincmgr.exe I believe. I would have to double check to see if that entry is made on machines where I don't run the manager, which is about 97% of the boxes I use.

When you start BOINC in this manor as there are no settings to tell it where the data directory is located. So it assumes its running directory is the data directory. Probably because that is how it originally worked many moons ago. This is great for how I run BOINC on my machines. Less hassle than having to worry about making registry entries whenever I ghost a machine.

I personally don't like having the entries pointing to the locations as it is an issue when I run other instances of BOINC. If I have say D:\BOINC\ and D:\BOINC2\ on the same machines having entries for either location would cause the other not to function correctly. Also if I need to test something out I will have another instance in another location for whatever I'm doing. While the main one is also running.

I tend to think the best option is look in the registry for the entry and then require input if it can't be found. The rub in that is this isn't dedicated BOINC type software. So you hide the function if not found. Perhaps something like -BOINC_PATH= as a start parameter? As an override to looking in the registry.
4080) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (71) Server problems? (Message 1206992)
Posted 17 Mar 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
So, what's up with the board, and all other SETI pages? They're all so slow to load and update, that it seems as if we're swimming in molasses?


Luckily everything seems OK at the moment. At least for me.
4081) Message boards : Number crunching : Building A Better SETI@Home: Hardware Donations (Message 1206991)
Posted 17 Mar 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I don't want to rain on anyone's parade here, but you might want to consider solid state drives, as an alternative to hard drives. They come in a variety of flavors, from straight SATA replacement drives to the newer PCIe boards. With as much data as SAH moves, the increased speed and lower latency would be a big help, I would think.

BTW ... I'm a small stockholder of Fusion IO (who makes one of the better PCIe varieties), and I sent a quick email to their Investor Relations folks, telling them what a GREAT marketing idea it would be, to send you some as a corporate donation. Getting their name favorably in front of a million computer users could be a very good investment on their part. No response yet, but I'll keep my fingers crossed. Have you looked into any other corporate grants of hardware?


I spend most of my free time writing grants for the .org.

A few notes on the above:

1. SSD's are impractical. For 45x2TB we'd need about $125,000.
2. I think we're going to scrap the 20 spare drives idea and instead look toward 5-10.

It is about that the guys in the lab want/need. Not what we think they need. So even if they were like "we need a coffee pot" I honestly wouldn't mind.
4082) Message boards : Number crunching : SETI@home | Backing off 2 hr 45 min 50 sec on download (Message 1206833)
Posted 17 Mar 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Since there is such a detailed manual...

Is the only way to open the BOINC control panel by using -BOINC?

The [BOINC Status] panel is accessible via the menus which can be viewed using Menu->Edit->View Menus or the [Copy |V|] dropdown. An example of [View Menus] can be viewed on http://rh-software.com/ by pressing the small image below Menus.

I was looked at that before, and used the search box even. however IT was and am still unable to locate any thing related to BOINC unless I start it with the command.

Ah, I have just had a thought. Given the way I think you "install"/run BOINC is HKLM\Software\Space Sciences Laboratory, U.C. Berkeley\BOINC Setup setup on your systems? On startup SIV checks and if it's missing does not offer the menu entry as it does not think BOINC is present. I felt the panel would be inappropriate unless BOINC is installed. Is there a Menu->Windows->BOINC Status and what does the [BOINC Status] panel display when you use -BOINC?

When I first launched it with the command I did get the message:
"HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Space Sciences Laboratory, U.C. Berkeley\BOINC Setup missing"
or something to that effect.

So I added:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Space Sciences Laboratory, U.C. Berkeley\BOINC Setup]
"MIGRATIONDIR"="D:\\BOINC\\"
"INSTALLDIR"="D:\\BOINC\\"
"DATADIR"="D:\\BOINC\\"


Which got it working, but I still couldn't find any reference in the menu. I'll have to do some more poking around Monday.

Thank you. Now it all makes sense! (well, to me at least). I have just updated the website. I suspect I need to make SIV "smarter" but that should be easy enough now I know what triggered the confusion. Why do most issues always seem come to light 2 days after a new release?

Well I do test software, firmware, and the like for a living. It is my job to make developers cry.
4083) Message boards : Number crunching : SETI@home | Backing off 2 hr 45 min 50 sec on download (Message 1206804)
Posted 17 Mar 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Since there is such a detailed manual...

Is the only way to open the BOINC control panel by using -BOINC?

The [BOINC Status] panel is accessible via the menus which can be viewed using Menu->Edit->View Menus or the [Copy |V|] dropdown. An example of [View Menus] can be viewed on http://rh-software.com/ by pressing the small image below Menus.

I was looked at that before, and used the search box even. however IT was and am still unable to locate any thing related to BOINC unless I start it with the command.

Ah, I have just had a thought. Given the way I think you "install"/run BOINC is HKLM\Software\Space Sciences Laboratory, U.C. Berkeley\BOINC Setup setup on your systems? On startup SIV checks and if it's missing does not offer the menu entry as it does not think BOINC is present. I felt the panel would be inappropriate unless BOINC is installed. Is there a Menu->Windows->BOINC Status and what does the [BOINC Status] panel display when you use -BOINC?

When I first launched it with the command I did get the message:
"HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Space Sciences Laboratory, U.C. Berkeley\BOINC Setup missing"
or something to that effect.

So I added:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Space Sciences Laboratory, U.C. Berkeley\BOINC Setup]
"MIGRATIONDIR"="D:\\BOINC\\"
"INSTALLDIR"="D:\\BOINC\\"
"DATADIR"="D:\\BOINC\\"


Which got it working, but I still couldn't find any reference in the menu. I'll have to do some more poking around Monday.
4084) Message boards : Number crunching : SETI@home | Backing off 2 hr 45 min 50 sec on download (Message 1206764)
Posted 16 Mar 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Since there is such a detailed manual...

Is the only way to open the BOINC control panel by using -BOINC?

The [BOINC Status] panel is accessible via the menus which can be viewed using Menu->Edit->View Menus or the [Copy |V|] dropdown. An example of [View Menus] can be viewed on http://rh-software.com/ by pressing the small image below Menus.

I was looked at that before, and used the search box even. however IT was and am still unable to locate any thing related to BOINC unless I start it with the command.
4085) Message boards : Number crunching : SETI@home | Backing off 2 hr 45 min 50 sec on download (Message 1206688)
Posted 16 Mar 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Nice tool, Just one question... how does one set the Auto Retry delay?

RTFM! As it says on http://rh-software.com/

The Auto Retry facility will when selected automatically retry stalled SETI@home transfers and the -TICKLE=<seconds> command qualifier allows intervals longer than the default of 900 seconds to be specified.

One way to do this is to Right/Click on SIV64X.exe and choose Send to Desktop, then on the Properties Panel change the command line to be similar to:

C:\SIV\SIV32X.exe -tickle=1800

You should use SIV64X.exe on 64-bit or SIV32X.exe on 32-bit windows.

Since there is such a detailed manual...

Is the only way to open the BOINC control panel by using -BOINC=SHOW?
4086) Message boards : Number crunching : Building A Better SETI@Home: Hardware Donations (Message 1206667)
Posted 16 Mar 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Howdy Brad,
Just let us know so I can scrape out My change jar.

Hmmm... I do have 2 paint cans full of pennies. I'm sure that is like maybe $5.00 right there.
4087) Message boards : Number crunching : Updating for upcoming apps..... (Message 1206666)
Posted 16 Mar 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Speaking about AP v6. This workunit caught my attention. Look at _0, he got less that a day to finish.
That's strange, haven't seen it in any of my other AP v6.
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/workunit.php?wuid=949641584

A well known side effect of the resend lost work mechanism is that an MB .vlar task may be expired immediately when the Scheduler is checking whether it can resend the task to a CUDA GPU, see message 1112328. This is probably the same thing, an AP v6 task also cannot be sent to a CUDA GPU.
                                                                   Joe

Might be. Though I have never seen it on an AP workunit.

At present there are no VLAR AP tasks. Only MB tasks have that distinction.
4088) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (71) Server problems? (Message 1206624)
Posted 16 Mar 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hmmmmmm....
I think Boinc has it wrong. The kitties are NOT anonymous. Squirrel, Tigger II, Bandit, and Purrball. Maybe it is thinking about the anonymouses they chase.....


? Your account is showing 9 active hosts.
As to names, those are only visible to the owner of the account, everybody else can only use host IDs.

I've found that while hiding computers is an almost instant action, it can take a few hours before unhiding theme works.

I would tend to think he was making a tongue in cheek reference to the anonymous platform.

Then why even have the Domain Name for Seti, If no one else can see It beyond the owner?

Because it's very useful for the owners of multiple computers, believe me. I can remember the names of my computers far better than I can remember their host ID numbers - as anyone who knows their names can attest.

Especially since I have one machine that likes to randomly get new host ID's. Which has occurred 3 times in the past week, but had not for the past several months. Also with 5 machines that have all the same hardware it would not be fun to try to sort them out by ID on a regular basis.
4089) Message boards : Number crunching : GPU Crunching (Message 1206613)
Posted 16 Mar 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Could someone please tell me if GPUs crunch the same work units as their CPU cousins? Is there any difference in speed between the two?

The work is the same. There is no such thing as CPU tasks and GPU tasks. There are only tasks to be completed. When a computer asks for work they are assigned to the device that requested the work. Be it a CPU or a GPU.

Only read this if you're sure you understand everything else that's been said...

They say every rule has an exception, and here it is. There are certain workunits that are identified by the splitters as being "vlar"s. Never mind what this means, I'm not real clear on it myself. The important thing is that they don't run properly on GPUs, to the point that they can sometimes crash the whole computer. Therefore, the scheduling server won't assign these to your computer when it asks for work for its GPU. This situation leads to other seemingly odd occurrences (that don't really hurt anything) and in the ensuing discussions we tend to refer to "CPU tasks" and "GPU tasks." The important thing to know is that this is really the only time that distinction needs to be made, and you generally don't need to worry about it.

It is just NVIDIA GPU's that have, or did have, the issue with VLAR tasks. ATI GPU's seem to run though them without any issues.

Some people ask "Why are they not sending out any GPU work?" or something to that effect. So it is always good to explain that there is no such thing as one or the other. I would think, as you mentioned, saying you have 100 GPU tasks and 50 CPU tasks would be correct as well. As you are identifying the tasks you have assigned to your devices.
4090) Message boards : Number crunching : Building A Better SETI@Home: Hardware Donations (Message 1206594)
Posted 16 Mar 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
http://www.buy.com/prod/seagate-barracuda-st2000dm001-2-tb-3-5-internal-hard-drive-sata-600/224767667.html

These are the drives we purchased. I'm thinking we should pick up another 10 drives for backups/spares. Thoughts?

It can't hurt to set up one of those donation pool thingers. Maybe every x months, depending on how the drives wear, queue up 5-10 more in the donation hat.
4091) Message boards : Number crunching : Boinc isnt auto updating. (Message 1206593)
Posted 16 Mar 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
If think I got the same "Timed out - no response" issue with http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/workunit.php?wuid=950132090. My reading is that it's expecting the result back in about 7 minutes which is unlikely given how long downloads are currently taking.

That more than likely is what occurred. Unless they wanted to spend the time to create another status level for tasks. We just have to deal with them being marked timeout.

If the situation is has changed. With newer drivers making it so the GPU's can work with VLAR tasks without issues. Then they could remove this function and allow VLAR tasks to NVIDIA GPU's once again.
4092) Message boards : Number crunching : Boinc isnt auto updating. (Message 1206581)
Posted 16 Mar 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
In the two occasions, where did this bloat came in, request was for both CPU and GPU. The problem is, server has left my CPU(yes, CPU, while not resending VLARs) with almost no work previous night and it is definitely not my fault, but I'm penalized for this. Dumware.

It was a patch put in place as, at the time, NVIDIA GPU's were unable or only very poorly able to processed VLAR tasks. The other option is to send VLAR tasks to your GPU where it might slow the system down to the point it is unusable or even lockup. Neither is a good situation, but timing out VLAR tasks to GPU's is more preferred option. BOINC fills work by requesting work for the "more powerful" processing device first. Which would most of the time be the GPU. Often people see scenarios where they have no CPU work as the GPU queue isn't full yet. That is when Fred's reschedule software is good to use.
4093) Message boards : Number crunching : Building A Better SETI@Home: Hardware Donations (Message 1206576)
Posted 16 Mar 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Talking to one of my local PC suppliers, well, more like mutual moaning - there are a lot of DOAs coming round just now. We surmise that they are "marginals" coming out from the supply chain after the floods in Thailand upset production so badly.
(I helped repack a box of about 50 "new" drives, the first ten of which all failed, so the whole case load was being rejected...)

It is done because shipping broken parts and having to replace them costs less than not meeting shipping orders on the right date.
4094) Message boards : Number crunching : Different SandyBridge CPUs in what difference? (Message 1206575)
Posted 16 Mar 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I am guessing they are charging more due to low stock or higher demand for the lower speed part. I checked several US retailers for pricing and the 2300 was always cheaper than the 2320. I also found the the 2320 was selling for the same as the 2400.
4095) Message boards : Number crunching : Building A Better SETI@Home: Hardware Donations (Message 1206555)
Posted 16 Mar 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The high ratio of DOA drives has me a bit concerned....
I had a few years ago purchased 3 drives that all failed either upon installation or very shortly thereafter. Turned out to be a firmware bug, I believe. What is the model number of the drives? May want to research if there is an ongoing issue.
And what IS the warranty on those drives?

I would support the idea of getting some spares available to swap in on short notice if future failures become an issue. You can never have too many spares....LOL.

Besides the rather high prices that concern has put me off buying new drives recently. The "enterprise" class drives normally come with 5 year warranties vs the 1 to 3 year you get with standard hardware.
4096) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (71) Server problems? (Message 1206554)
Posted 16 Mar 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hmmmmmm....
I think Boinc has it wrong. The kitties are NOT anonymous. Squirrel, Tigger II, Bandit, and Purrball. Maybe it is thinking about the anonymouses they chase.....


? Your account is showing 9 active hosts.
As to names, those are only visible to the owner of the account, everybody esle can only use host IDs.

I've found that while hiding computers is an almost instant action, it can take a few hours before unhiding theme works.

I would tend to think he was making a tongue in cheek reference to the anonymous platform.
4097) Message boards : Number crunching : Boinc isnt auto updating. (Message 1206553)
Posted 16 Mar 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have same issue with this host
Getting tasks with very short deadline, several minutes which turn to timeout errors. What I did recently was to switch from two to one task per GPU.


Yet another 43 overdue tasks, counted as errors. wtf?
For each, there is a message:

3/16/2012 4:56:21 | SETI@home | Didn't resend lost task 19ja12ab.8768.1720458.3.10.56.vlar_0 (expired)

I know what server does and why it does it, but what caused it, never happened so far in such large numbers. It happened only once long ago with only few tasks. Nothing is changed on the system, except the above described. System is online and active 24/7.

Look at the line in your log before that message. I would imagine it says "Requesting new tasks for NVIDIA GPU".
4098) Message boards : Number crunching : One CPU Intel Pentium 4 2.40GHz with 1579 tasks in progess! (Message 1206088)
Posted 15 Mar 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I'll give you the 6.12.34 backoffs are ill considered and given that about 200 lines of C makes them totally ineffective maybe they will be corrected.

Unless you can put up with the extended backoffs without babysitting or regularly do multiple projects on a regular basis then I'll take the later 6.10.xx any time over the later 6.12.xx (yes newer doesn't necessarily mean better to most people, especially those who just want to crunch SETI).

I use the stock 6.12.34, don't get any extended backoff issues and I have not needed to press [Retry Now] for weeks.

Then I'd have to say that you've been extremely more lucky than most of us. ;)

No, just read what I said. Luck has nothing to do with it!

Ok then, how many of us average users (or below average) are actually going to to insert about 200 lines of C to make them totally ineffective?

Provided that we now what your talking about to start with and I doubt that many of us will (most of us keep with the old K.I.S.S. method). ;)

Cheers.

I do it with only about 4 lines in a .bat file. It has been working nicely for me for about a year now to do my retries once per hour.
4099) Message boards : Number crunching : GPU Crunching (Message 1206085)
Posted 15 Mar 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Often a GPU and a CPU will both end up being assigned the same tasks. So the "wingman" for your GPU tasks could be a CPU or the other way round.


Can I ask, is that significant?

I guess I am curious if it is more cost effective to buy a good CPU or GPU.



The easy answer is a GPU.

For instance, a $250US GPU might have a daily credit in the 18,000-20,000 "credits" range. As far as I know, there is no such thing as a $250 CPU that comes close.

Same would be true of a $150 CPU / GPU comparison.

I can't say about a $600 CPU vs GPU. I don't run in those financial circles, but I'd be willing to wager that the GPU is still running rings around the CPU.

Now, a $100 GPU against a $700 CPU? The CPU might win that race.

To add to that.

Generally GPU's have a greater PPW (Performance Per Watt). Not to say they use less power, but you get more output for the power they consume. As such some people choose to only use their GPU for processing work.
4100) Message boards : Number crunching : GPU Crunching (Message 1206005)
Posted 15 Mar 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Could someone please tell me if GPUs crunch the same work units as their CPU cousins? Is there any difference in speed between the two?

The work is the same. There is no such thing as CPU tasks and GPU tasks. There are only tasks to be completed. When a computer asks for work they are assigned to the device that requested the work. Be it a CPU or a GPU.
Often a GPU and a CPU will both end up being assigned the same tasks. So the "wingman" for your GPU tasks could be a CPU or the other way round.
4101) Message boards : Number crunching : What should file_xfer 0 /file_xfer suppress? (Message 1205759)
Posted 14 Mar 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I would also like to remove the backing off messages & haven't found any way to do so. When I started using the the option for file_xfer I was glad as it removed the majority of messages I had to look though when trying to track down issues.
4102) Message boards : Number crunching : Building A Better SETI@Home: Hardware Donations (Message 1205619)
Posted 14 Mar 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
We provide the SAH guys with exactly what they ask for. They've asked for basic workstations this round so that's what we will provide. I'd rather get them simple work stations and use the remainder for future projects vs getting them equipment that isn't needed.

This practice helps us stretch our donors funds. If down the road they ask us for a machine that would make member Speedbump blush, we will provide that as well. Until then we will continue to donate items that match their exact specs.

With people upgrading to the latest and greatest hardware perhaps some would donate their old GPU's for test/dev resources. While last years hardware might not be the best performer. It can be invaluable for test/dev purposes.
4103) Message boards : Number crunching : One CPU Intel Pentium 4 2.40GHz with 1579 tasks in progess! (Message 1205302)
Posted 13 Mar 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
This guy's computer might need a reboot... hostID 6333108. Unless he's managing to do cherry-picking with his Fermi.

If they were cherry picking to try and get a high RAC I would think they would be using the opt apps for the work they do manage to complete correctly. Probably just a reboot really. They are using a 560 ti. Which apparently starts for total inept.
4104) Message boards : Number crunching : More numbers to fret over. ASIC quality. Get yours with gpu-z baby! (Message 1205290)
Posted 12 Mar 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
You are not totally off base.....
The advantage of having cards with a higher ASIC value would be that they should be overclockable to higher limits, as they have higher binned chips.
It's the potential overclock that would improve crunch times, not the ASIC value in and of itself.
If one had a number of cards available and could check the values, it would allow you to sort the ones with the most potential.

Indeed. If you were wanting to install several cards and overclock them to within an inch of their silicone having ones with the same value would probably be a good idea.

I don't see matching anything as being an advantage. With EVGA Precision, you can set the clocks on individual cards differently, so you could potentially just push a better card a little further than the other. I have never played with voltage adjustment on any of my cards, so I am not sure it that can be individually adjusted though.

Yeah I'm not sure what I was thinking. It isn't like they would be used together, such as with SLI, as BOINC treats each one as the separate device it is. Maybe if you were gaming and BOINCing...
4105) Message boards : Number crunching : Goodsearch for Seti........ (Message 1205287)
Posted 12 Mar 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Wow this little idea of mine will pay off nicely in the long run

It does seem so. While I managed to forget which login I used for my good search account & can't recover it as I set the acocunt to private, hidden, or whatever that option was. S@H still gets pennies for my searches. Apparently you can set a cause without registering.
I guess it keeps that as long as the cookie for them is on my system. So that works!
4106) Message boards : Number crunching : More numbers to fret over. ASIC quality. Get yours with gpu-z baby! (Message 1205264)
Posted 12 Mar 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
You are not totally off base.....
The advantage of having cards with a higher ASIC value would be that they should be overclockable to higher limits, as they have higher binned chips.
It's the potential overclock that would improve crunch times, not the ASIC value in and of itself.
If one had a number of cards available and could check the values, it would allow you to sort the ones with the most potential.

Indeed. If you were wanting to install several cards and overclock them to within an inch of their silicone having ones with the same value would probably be a good idea.
4107) Message boards : Number crunching : Correct Lunatic's Settings for AMD HD5450 (Message 1205231)
Posted 12 Mar 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Ah so it looks like I have the correct configuration now! lets see what happens when the PC goes off later!

Luckily I am not seeing any issue like that. I just have the problem of once windows disables the display the GPU clocks down. Since this is in a notebook I'm not leaving the display on 24/7. Once I get all of the GPU tasks out my lappy wont be running it anymore, but good to see it works. Hopefully they will update the release notes with the next installer release.


If somebody could fill me in into what exactly needs to be updated?
I'm not omniscient and I don't run ATI so I don't have first hand knowledge of the traps. If nobody tells me what needs updating and with what, updates don't happen.

I would have guessed that Raistmer would provide the updated info/changes for the read me.
The section of the read me that reads:
The ATI MB application will not work on ATI cards with workgroup size 128
(e.g. HD43xx). To check workgroupsize run CLinfo, downloadable (at present)
from {http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/clinfo.zip}
If you have problems running the HD5 flavour (anything from reduced performance
to BSOD), you should run the plain variant.

Would need to be changed. It seems the statement does not apply to HD53xx & HD63xx hardware. Perhaps "The ATI MB application will not work on ATI HD4xxx cards with work group size 128, but will on HD5xxx cards with work group size 128."
4108) Message boards : Number crunching : Correct Lunatic's Settings for AMD HD5450 (Message 1205194)
Posted 12 Mar 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Ah so it looks like I have the correct configuration now! lets see what happens when the PC goes off later!

Luckily I am not seeing any issue like that. I just have the problem of once windows disables the display the GPU clocks down. Since this is in a notebook I'm not leaving the display on 24/7. Once I get all of the GPU tasks out my lappy wont be running it anymore, but good to see it works. Hopefully they will update the release notes with the next installer release.
4109) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (71) Server problems? (Message 1205191)
Posted 12 Mar 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
And now we can celebrate that it's only 39,785 AP's out in the wild. Let's see how close to zero we will come before the new AP app is released and we can start splitting AP again.

If it's anything like when we went from the first-generation to _v5, they turned the splitters off for WEEKS to get as close to zero as they could before turning the new version on.

I think that you'll find that they wait until all those v505's are out of the system first before they upgrade to v6 and then they'll fire the splitters back up. ;)

Cheers.


ETA is Tuesday.

Ok, good to hear, but now to the obvious questions for us app_info lunatics:

Does that mean that we will not get any new AP units for our opt apps CPU: ap_5.05r409_SSE.exe and ATI GPU: ap_5.06_win_x86_SSE2_OpenCL_ATI_r521.exe ?

In other words, when our current AP cache is crunched and empty, and the splitters start up again, should we just remove those old apps, because they will never again run any AP's? Are we going to get something in modern times, to replace them? (CPU and GPU?)

End of question time for now.

The developers are working on replacement apps even as we speak. They won't be available instananeously after the stock apps are released - that can't happen until the new installer can be tested on live data and project configuration settings.

But the plan is that there will be a new installer, which will be compatible both with any old v505 work (there are bound to be stray re-issues for weeks, perhaps months, after release) and the new v6 work.

Just don't ask which Tuesday.

I'll put my bet on 2012-12-18. Since the world is suppose to end that week and everything.
4110) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (71) Server problems? (Message 1205043)
Posted 11 Mar 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
And now we can celebrate that it's only 39,785 AP's out in the wild. Let's see how close to zero we will come before the new AP app is released and we can start splitting AP again.

I am going with -0 for my guess.

In reality they might hold off until the new servers all humming along happily again.
4111) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows 7 Experience Index (solved) (Message 1205034)
Posted 11 Mar 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Did a bit more digging.....
I think what you are looking for is called WinSAT...

Look in task scheduler, library, Microsoft, Windows, Maintenance.

I was about to mention that, but ya beat me to it. Curses! (:

The info on the first site you linked just disables the UI instead of the feature. So nuking winsat would need to be done also or instead of that.
4112) Message boards : Number crunching : Difficulty of getting help (Message 1205012)
Posted 11 Mar 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Just don't ask anybody to open the pod bay doors, Dave. I'm afraid no one can do that...

Sorry, couldn't help myself:)

Indeed.
4113) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows 7 Experience Index (solved) (Message 1205011)
Posted 11 Mar 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
It doesn't run unless you tell it to. So you are probably just seeing notifications about it wanting you to run it. I have all of the action center notifications disabled so the only time I know there would be some reason to run the index again is when I open Control Panel > System or Computer > Properties.

Not that these index numbers are actually good for anything.
4114) Message boards : Number crunching : Correct Lunatic's Settings for AMD HD5450 (Message 1204880)
Posted 11 Mar 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
HAL lol, you're a bit of an AMD/ATI dinosaur then :) Seems strange that they cannot get their act together like Nvidia! Especially as they are now made by AMD.

Nvidia isn't so innocent either. I have had their cards in other machines or work boxes over the years. Once of the most amusing things they did was release a driver that trashed the system when you installed it. I had that across multiple machines with different cards in different OS's when setting up test machines at work. IIRC it was around the 154.xx driver release time frame.
4115) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (71) Server problems? (Message 1204877)
Posted 11 Mar 2012 by Profile HAL9000
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I had no idea there was a stock Cuda AP application for Linux hosts.


No, it's worse... I'm talking about the Windows stock Cuda app for pre-Fermi cards. And should have said so, of course:)

Phew. The other option is that I am even more crazy then I think I am. However I think it is clear that there is a bit a wonkyness across the stock apps. Which hopefully will not exist once everything goes v7.
4116) Message boards : Number crunching : Correct Lunatic's Settings for AMD HD5450 (Message 1204875)
Posted 11 Mar 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thanks Sten but I am not 100% confident in the AMD card as they seem to lack a little something and AMD seem to always mess up their drivers! Nvidia don't seem to have a problem like AMD does. I of course may change my mind upon the results etc.

I've been using ATI cards since the first Radeon. I like to refer to these "problems" as a tradition.
4117) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (71) Server problems? (Message 1204873)
Posted 11 Mar 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
And the only thing that computer is doing, is erroring out every AP it gets. As usual, it's a Linux host getting the infamous "process got signal 11" error (SIGSEGV: segmentation violation).

Why the project continues to send out the app to Linux hosts is beyond me, when 90% of all Linux hosts are incapable of running AP's. As if we had an endless bandwith, the project just keep on sending out 8MB files to be trashed in seconds.

Nobody can make me do anything else than laugh, when they complain about bandwidth saturation, as long as I see this waste of the same bandwith, by sending out thousands of 8MB AP files to Linux hosts, just so they can trash them, and force a resend of the same 8MB file.


That's been fixed by making the stock Cuda apps run twice as long. And if you switch over to the Luna app your completion times double so you get half a cache.

[/s]

I had no idea there was a stock Cuda AP application for Linux hosts. I don't think the project admins do either. You might want to tell them about it sometime. :) Although this is referring to the stock CPU application.

I would think that the AP Linux hosts that can't do the work would be limited in how much work they could get and trash. I had a machine go a big wonky once and started trashing work. Then it was throttled to only being allowed to download 2 tasks at a time to trash. I think they mechanism might have been broken as well in the scheduling updates they did some time ago. Which resulted in the limited being imposed now.
4118) Message boards : Number crunching : Correct Lunatic's Settings for AMD HD5450 (Message 1204870)
Posted 11 Mar 2012 by Profile HAL9000
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I have been looking through the web and found that people do have a problem with this happening. So I ran a program that removes the install information (after un-installation) to remove any pointers to corrupt files and settings! This seemed to do the trick! I am now testing the PC again for any further defective drivers and OPenCL problems! I did notice that ATI have released an openCL update which is on the Lunatics website so if this fails again I will try using that version instead.

Incidentally, I am running Lunatics as mentioned in my earlier posts, which should not work but does as using any other settings fail. I am keeping everything I can cross crossed!

When you say it loses OpenCL what do you mean? Does the GPU just not show up in BOINC or does OpenCL stop working in some way?

When you say there is an OpenCL update what are you referring to? I don't see any mention of it on the amd or lunatics websites.

In other news the four I did are complete. One validated against a Nvidia GPU where we both got -9. So hopefully that is actually a noisy one. One of the two that ran for 4-5 hours is paired with a machine is only has about a 7% valid rate. So that one will probably take a while to confirm.
4119) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (71) Server problems? (Message 1204804)
Posted 11 Mar 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
OK, not using r540, I am using stock at the moment.

To receive Beta AP and not Beta V7, how should preferences be set ?

My guess:

SETI@home v7: no
Other applications: yes

For completeness, SETI@home Enhanced, Astropulse and Astropulse v5 all no - though you should only get the very occasional resend from those, anyway.

Joe did remind Eric that the page needs updating, but I guess Saturday overtime rates didn't extend to that...

Setting all to No, and ticking other apps will when updated set every boxes to yes :-)

So without a box for AP V6, how in heavens name should one know how to set the options to get only AP v6..

Hmm, hmm, hmm

Set Astropulse (the bare one, not the v5) to yes, and 'other apps' to yes, everything else to no.

That sticks, and - since there haven't been any v4 AP tasks for about three years - you shouldn't be inundated with unwanted work. But you can blame Eric if you are...


Well, that didn't work, because the box "other apps" overrides the No for specific tasks. I just got an MB V7 even though that box was unticked.

If there are no AP V6 available the ticking of the other apps box, will send other apps if they are available, even if those apps are unticked. So a box for AP v6 is needed so one can untick the other apps box.

Edit: Same behaviour can be seen here on main. If you untick a specific application but tick the box for other apps, you will still get the app you unticked if there are no other apps available.

What we really need is explicit Yes No boxes for each app. So when you want to use the other apps box you can still filter things out.
4120) Message boards : Number crunching : Correct Lunatic's Settings for AMD HD5450 (Message 1204754)
Posted 10 Mar 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Sure not the apps.
We tested special versions with suboptimal success at Lunatics.

I went ahead and fired it up on my notebook and it seems to be moving right along. I'm pretty sure I trashed the first one, but that was my fault. So we can see how the next 3 do. I have since set NNT. As the notebook doesn't have any thermal monitoring for the GPU nor is there a separate cooling fan.
4121) Message boards : Number crunching : Correct Lunatic's Settings for AMD HD5450 (Message 1204742)
Posted 10 Mar 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
This is on my daughters PC and I have only just installed the card but it is registered there. Here is the link to here PC http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/hosts_user.php?userid=9431135


Hmm it runs OpenCL,r390 with a card which have a Max work group size of 128. According to the release documents that should not work, but this completed WU says it does work:

Task 2344581713

Someone more knowledgeable than me should comment on this.

I thought it strange too, perhaps the latest drivers fix this problem?

Claggy

Maybe the new APP or both the app and driver. This is certainly interesting news. Maybe I'll see if this works on the HD6370 in my notebook as well.
4122) Message boards : Number crunching : I can't remember how to find... (Message 1204734)
Posted 10 Mar 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

It wouldn't really take that many machines to get that kind of RAC. I'm doing about 100k with only about 30. Since most of mine are CPU only & old, P4 generation hardware, I would expect more out of a small computer lab of machines that were only a few years old.
One of the other guys in the 400k+ RAC club is mikeej42 who only has about 60 boxes.


If you're talking about over-all Boinc RAC, then I'm in that club, and I'm only running 3 machines and all 3 average only about 12 hours of crunching per day...

-Dave

I was referring only to Seti@Home.
4123) Message boards : Number crunching : Correct Lunatic's Settings for AMD HD5450 (Message 1204637)
Posted 10 Mar 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Looking through clinfo the card's work units are 128 but if I use the settings you suggest for <256 Boinc doesn't register a GPU, but using on the settings in the image works! I will leave it to run and see how it goes from here!

I would like to thank you all for your input.

If the workgroup size is 128 then the applications selected in the image will not work. BOINC may download tasks and try to process them with those applications, but it will just result in errors if it attempts to run them.
4124) Message boards : Number crunching : Correct Lunatic's Settings for AMD HD5450 (Message 1204546)
Posted 10 Mar 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
it's not necessarily the OpenCl that is going to crash the work either.

For ATI driver installs I tend to be a bit over zealous and anal about their installation. It saves time later trying to figure out what failed

That has been true for a long time. At least since I got the first Radeon AIW. Which was before they started using numbers to identify products. Back then they actually had an uninstall utility that did a good job of removing all of the driver bits.
4125) Message boards : Number crunching : Correct Lunatic's Settings for AMD HD5450 (Message 1204541)
Posted 10 Mar 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Great got OpenCl active now! So the last question for the HD5450 which Astropulse and Multibeam setting should I use for the Lunatics install?

If the card has a Max work group size of 256 or greater then you probably want to use these options in the installer.



If this card is one of the ones with a Max work group size <256 then you would uncheck MultiBeam and choose the other AP option.

To find out what it supports you would open a command prompt and type clinfo. Then scroll up to find a section that looks something like this:
  Platform Name:                                 AMD Accelerated Parallel Processing
Number of devices:                               2
  Device Type:                                   CL_DEVICE_TYPE_GPU
  Device ID:                                     4098
  Board name:                                    AMD Radeon HD 6800 Series
  Max compute units:                             14
  Max work items dimensions:                     3
    Max work items[0]:                           256
    Max work items[1]:                           256
    Max work items[2]:                           256
  Max work group size:                           256
4126) Message boards : Number crunching : Graphic card problems (Message 1204539)
Posted 10 Mar 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

I don't remember what blog/forum I was reading, but that was the gist of the idea - the better wafer/chips would go into the premium cards, the x80's and x90's...while the regular cards like x60's would get the just ok wafers/chips.


Do any of the forums say how you can read these values either from the hardware or via NVAPI? I would like to make SIV (http://rh-software.com/) report them. I have the NDA NVAPI and that does not seem to be able to do this.

It is more that they make a batch of chips. Lets say the GF110 which goes in the GTX560 to the GTX590 cards. The ones that test better get badged as higher end GPUs. Then the ones with bits that don't work correctly, fail to pass some validation tests, or if they just need more lower end parts get badged as lower end GPUs. It is a fairly common practice in the semiconductor world. So asking the chip who/what it is may not give you want you want.
4127) Message boards : Number crunching : Correct Lunatic's Settings for AMD HD5450 (Message 1204535)
Posted 10 Mar 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thanks for the links, now the driver is sorted what about the install settings? As her PC is a core2 Duo running the HD5450 which settings should I use!

The install settings for the driver? You can use the default values, which installs everything, if you like. I normally only uncheck one thing on their install. Which has to do with some media something or other that I don't need.

In GPU computing updating drivers can be a bad thing. So you might want to disable that for the machine.
4128) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (71) Server problems? (Message 1204534)
Posted 10 Mar 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Oh wow! I got a _3 AP this morning and was looking at the history on it. Someone running stock app in Linux actually completed it without error! http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/workunit.php?wuid=931698450

I didn't think it was possible.

Perhaps it is just a matter of updating some lib to get it to work with the code they are sending out. From my experience in the nix world that is normally required for 99% of software you want to run. I have run into situations where I had to update libs in order to update libs to update libs. To the point it really wasn't funny anymore.

From the build information it looks like the OS is some versions of VMware. I wonder if the default configuration had everything required to work correctly or if they have updated lots of things.
4129) Message boards : Number crunching : Correct Lunatic's Settings for AMD HD5450 (Message 1204519)
Posted 10 Mar 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I don't see any machines in your hardware list with a HD5450.
When you start BOINC do you see a message like this one in the BOINC event log? Advanced > Event log or CTRL + SHIFT + E
3/10/2012 6:20:51 AM | | ATI GPU 0: ATI Radeon HD 5x00 series (Cedar) (CAL version 1.4.815, 1024MB, 120 GFLOPS peak)

If you see "no usable gpus detected" then there is something else afoot.
4130) Message boards : Number crunching : I can't remember how to find... (Message 1204516)
Posted 10 Mar 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
So anyway, I'm 8th in my class, but I have better daily, weekly, and monthly numbers than everyone but #1.

Holy cow. I checked my class at Einstein today. I'm 29th out of 692, but 11th in average credit out of 77 whose average is >0.

What really got my attention, though, is #1 in my class. 154.8 MILLION total credit just for Einstein. Almost as much Einstein in a month as I have done total Boinc since I started.

Okay, I just did some digging. Here is the Seti user page. It's a whole school district. Must be hundreds of computers, if not thousands (you can't tell because they're hidden). #3 on the Seti top users list.

It wouldn't really take that many machines to get that kind of RAC. I'm doing about 100k with only about 30. Since most of mine are CPU only & old, P4 generation hardware, I would expect more out of a small computer lab of machines that were only a few years old.
One of the other guys in the 400k+ RAC club is mikeej42 who only has about 60 boxes.
4131) Message boards : Number crunching : Possible assistance? (Message 1204110)
Posted 9 Mar 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Sirius:
I can't go into Safe Mode; it won't let me because of the "activation" issue (which is non-existent - it's a 'clean' version of WinXP Home); keeps putting up the dialog of (and I'm paraphrasing) "Windows must be activated and this can't happen in Safe Mode. Reboot the computer in normal mode and activate Windows"

As was said before, it allows me to start to log on, gets to the point where I have my desktop background picture, then brings up the Activation dialog and it says that "Windows is already activated. Click OK to exit"; when I do, it logs me off and back to the logon screen. This happens over and over and I have no way of log gin onto Windows.

Only remedy I can think of is a repair install from the disk that the install was originally done from. Boot from the disk. If that is not possible, I think you are back to ground zero. In other words, start over from scratch.
MS protecting their better interests, not yours.

Luckily with newer OS's like Server 2008, Server 2008 R2, & Windows 7 the activation stuff isn't an issue.They let you log in and use the computer you just get a message or two about "this copy of windows is not genuine". Vista with a server pack might do that as well, but Vista SP0 is a bugger about activation like previous OS's.
4132) Message boards : Number crunching : Overclocking champ draws a crowd at CeBIT (Message 1204010)
Posted 9 Mar 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The difference between us crunchers, and the extreme over clockers, is that we run ours at full load, for months on end. My rig doesn't even know what stock speed is.....

Steve

I have had machines in the past that would only run stably when overclocked after spending years overclocked. I haven't used any peltiers in a few years. I may break one out for my C2D once I replace it with a new system.
4133) Message boards : Number crunching : Building A Better SETI@Home: Hardware Donations (Message 1204007)
Posted 9 Mar 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Sounds good. While we would all probably like them to have dedicated server monkeys to install and maintain things for them, they don't. Taking the time needed to get everything mounted, setup, and configured is defiantly worth the effort. I did that with another batch of hand me down servers from our IS department at work recently.
4134) Message boards : Number crunching : Need space for more WU's whats best way to go (Message 1203770)
Posted 8 Mar 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

http://www.highpoint-tech.com/USA_new/accessories_ms1mes.htm


wow that thing looks so awesome ! like a mini PC :) would look super with my AZZA 2000 Hurricane :)

like a mother and her child :)

Have you not seen desktop external drive bay enclosures before?
Here are several you could get:
http://www.newegg.ca/Store/SubCategory.aspx?SubCategory=92&name=External-Enclosures&Order=PRICED&Pagesize=100
4135) Message boards : Number crunching : Need space for more WU's whats best way to go (Message 1203701)
Posted 8 Mar 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
HI everyone I have a storage problem. I want to put boinc and its wu's on their own drive as well as add more drives for other storage. However i have all 8 ports on my mainboard filled up. Ive been looking at sata 3 controller cards but cant decide which ones to get. i see some that are less than $50 and some that are over $400. I dont need them to have RAID capability but i do want them to be reliable. Am i ok getting the cheap ones or are the expensive ones worth it? Thanks again

I don't know how you are using your current storage, but if you need to expand the capacity you might want to go the external drive bay route. There are controller cards that use a single cable connection to connect to either a single connection drive bay or up to 4 eSATA jacks. Via a SFF-8088 or SFF-8087 connector.
Here are some examples.
http://www.highpoint-tech.com/USA_new/accessories_ms1mib.htm
http://www.highpoint-tech.com/USA_new/accessories_ms1mes.htm

I would probably just create a virtual hard drive for BOINC to use. Then you could easily move it to whatever storage location you need.
4136) Message boards : Number crunching : Changing motherboard + CPU, what will Windows 7 say? (Message 1203339)
Posted 7 Mar 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Depends on the cooler of course,

Standard. What with all the cat hair around here, I'm better off trying to install filters.

I use Medical grade filters, Demci filters stick on to a case by way of magnets, their easy to clean with dish soap and water, blot dry, these can be bought at Performance PCs, which is where I've bought them from, keeps a lot of dust out and Graces fur too and as Cats go, She's a long hair.

I made my own filters a while ago using 3M heater filters and some magnetic sheet stuff from the hobby store.
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=64774&nowrap=true#1126453
That seems to be working out well for me. I have washed them a few times without any fuss.
4137) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (70) Server problems? (Message 1203338)
Posted 7 Mar 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Looking back in my logs I see the expected "Scheduler request failed: HTTP gateway timeout" messages after the maintenance completed. Since the most of my requests are met with "Project has no tasks available" or "This computer has reached a limit on tasks in progress".

It is a little odd seeing several no tasks message and then the limit message. It seems to me like the logic to check that would go before checking for available tasks. Through the logs I see the response for limit reached occurring on average much faster than the repose for no tasks. It doesn't seem to be a great difference. In the 0-3 second range for limit and 5-30 seconds for no tasks.
4138) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (70) Server problems? (Message 1203113)
Posted 6 Mar 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Reporting etc seems to be OK now.

Indeed. I left everything alone all day and it sorted itself out just fine.
4139) Message boards : Number crunching : http bad (Message 1202972)
Posted 6 Mar 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
There is an ongoing discussion about this in the Panic Mode On (70) Server problems? thread.
4140) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (70) Server problems? (Message 1202970)
Posted 6 Mar 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
If you use BoincRescheduler you and your wing men will receive less credit for the WU, something like (1/3 or less credit per WU or even less). I don´t know if there are any way to avoid that.

I never saw this issue, but I have heard of people mention it. For well over a year, or maybe longer, I was using rescheduler to move work to the GPU instead of letting BOINC download work for it. The credit remained rather since I have switched back to letting the GPU fetch work. However I am only about 7 months into the 2nd run.
4141) Message boards : Number crunching : Possible assistance? (Message 1202968)
Posted 6 Mar 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
KneeDeep basically posted process I was going to give you.

However normally during activation issues you can only boot into safe mode w/o networking.

If are not using NTFS. Then you could boot from an old dos boot disk to do this instead of safe mode. If you are using NTFS an option would be using a windows PE boot CD, DVD, or USB drive of some kind.

I have faced the MS activation SNAFU many time and I would say I'm 70/30 on recovering from it. Sometimes I just said SMURF it and installed a new OS.

I like the policy they have in Windows 7 now. That when the activation goes wrong ,or you haven't activated, there is just a delay when logging in.
4142) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (70) Server problems? (Message 1202963)
Posted 6 Mar 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Is this the first time they've used Synergy for Scheduling?

Perhaps they are already making a hole for the new servers by taking some of the slower servers out of the mix.

That could be, but it is 50/50 on bruno going belly up. Until we are told by the guys we won't really know. Should we starting a betting pool on what happened with the proceeds to go to the guys as a donation?
4143) Message boards : Number crunching : Possible assistance? (Message 1202948)
Posted 6 Mar 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
There is a process to remove the activation information from the machine. Which I have on a machine at work. So I'll have it in a bit.

You could try that to see if it feels like letting you reactivate it. Recently at work with the older OS's , XP & 2003, we have found that we were forced to call MS to activate them instead of being able to do online activations. <grumble>microsoft certified partner my eye</grumble>
4144) Message boards : Number crunching : using GPU for 2 tasks at same time (Message 1202383)
Posted 4 Mar 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I'm running BOINC 6.12.34 (x64) for windows 7.

I've tried to locate the app_info.xml, but find none. In fact, there are no xml files in the main BOINC folder.

I do find quite a few in the hidden Program_Data BOINC folder (and subs). Should I make a modification to any of them, and if so, which.

There's one in each of the Slots folders, init_data.xml, 0 (Cuda 6.10) 1 (AP 505) 2 (Milky Way OPENCL)(hush :>) and 4 (Enhanced 6.03), which contain the following:

<coprocs>
 <coproc_cuda>
  <count>1</count>
  <name>GeForce GT 440</name>
  <drvVersion>26633</drvVersion>
  <cudaVersion>3020</cudaVersion>
  <totalGlobalMem>1041694720</totalGlobalMem>
  <sharedMemPerBlock>49152</sharedMemPerBlock>
  <regsPerBlock>32768</regsPerBlock>
  <warpSize>32</warpSize>
  <memPitch>2147483647</memPitch>
  <maxThreadsPerBlock>1024</maxThreadsPerBlock>
  <maxThreadsDim>1024 1024 64</maxThreadsDim>
  <maxGridSize>65535 65535 1</maxGridSize>
  <totalConstMem>65536</totalConstMem>
  <major>2</major> <minor>1</minor>
  <clockRate>1620000</clockRate>
  <textureAlignment>512</textureAlignment>
  <deviceOverlap>1</deviceOverlap>
  <multiProcessorCount>2</multiProcessorCount>
  </coproc_cuda>
 </coprocs>


Should I modify these, and get at least 2 processes on the GPU, by changing the count from 1 to .5?

And most importantly, will this cause any odd hairballs if I do?

since you are running the stock application you will not have an app_info.xml file. The \Slots folder is the temp location that each task runs in while processing. If any changes you made there did effect anything then it would only be until that task completes.
4145) Message boards : Number crunching : GPU problems (Message 1202368)
Posted 4 Mar 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The problem I see right now is that you don't have any tasks on your machine assigned to the GPU. If you don't have the work there is nothing for the GPU to do.

As you are running the lunatics opt apps did you check the box to include the GPU?

Is your machine requesting work for the GPU? Which will look something like this:
"3/4/2012 9:51:39 AM SETI@home Requesting new tasks for CPU & NVIDIA GPU"
4146) Message boards : Number crunching : Memory and SETI (Message 1202364)
Posted 4 Mar 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
In general the faster the memory can go the better.

The Intel XMP values are ones the memory maker entered into the SPD. Which set all of the right values to run the RAM with those higher settings.

I am not 100% sure what the Asus DRAM OC Profile mode does. All I found on it is that is overclocks the memory by increasing the bclock. Which may or may not be desirable.
4147) Message boards : Number crunching : Is this a Boinc bug?????? (Message 1202361)
Posted 4 Mar 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Richard, I'm not sure if disabling 'run at logon' is actually good for finding out the problem as I, and I doubt Mark runs our PC's this way.

Cheers.

Test repeated, with no manual interaction at all - I allowed BOINC to close, and restart, with Windows. Both Mark and I run our machines with 'auto_admin_logon' enabled, so they (and BOINC) restart without even pausing at the password screen (we've had this conversation before).

No delay, no lockup. Just a similar set of HTTP debug messages.

Your post about your router redirecting the requests gave me an idea. Which was to just modify my hosts file to redirect the requests to another location.

So I pointed everyone to a http server on my network:
192.168.100.200 setiathome.berkeley.edu
192.168.100.200 setiboinc.ssl.berkeley.edu
192.168.100.200 setiboincdata.ssl.berkeley.edu
192.168.100.200 boinc2.ssl.berkeley.edu
192.168.100.200 boinc2.ssl.berkeley.edu

However I was getting "3/4/2012 9:16:14 AM SETI@home Scheduler request failed: Peer certificate cannot be authenticated with known CA certificates" as a response. So BOINC didn't seem to be buying my subterfuge. I also tried my router address, but got the same response.

I'm not sure if that is a worthwhile test for the kitty man to try on one of his boxes or not. Probably using his router or modem address.
4148) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (69) Server problems? (Message 1202342)
Posted 4 Mar 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
BTW, one tape was added just now. 35 channels to split. No items to whine at all - multibeam forever! ;-)))

At present (2012-03-04 13:30:07 UTC) the counts are at. total channels to do: MB 54/84 AP 98/98

So until the AP start again I suspect the whining will be held down to a minimum.
4149) Message boards : Number crunching : Changing motherboard + CPU, what will Windows 7 say? (Message 1202149)
Posted 3 Mar 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Another thing that happens when moving a drive to another system is a black screen with windows saying that it can't boot. If it does that then you would just want to boot from the install disc, or WinRE, and tell it to fix it. After that you will probably get a prompt to reactivate. I have never had one come up that required me to enter the key again though.
4150) Message boards : Number crunching : Memory Upgrade (Message 1201978)
Posted 3 Mar 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Socket 2011 system uses only 8 GBs of memory? Sounds like you are running Windows Server 2008 Foundation, it has 8 GB memory limit.

I think that would be Windows Home Server 2011. As it is limited to 8GB.
4151) Message boards : Number crunching : I'm really trying to whine... (Message 1201910)
Posted 3 Mar 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
But I can't find anything to whine about. What am I supposed to do?

Get a hobby. I hear there are fun things to do with your compute like look for non terrestrial aliyum signals.
4152) Message boards : Number crunching : cross-project id (Message 1201907)
Posted 3 Mar 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
OK OK OK OK OK

Joy to the world and seti

Put my quad core back in and merged the two computers and got all my old work plus some new.
All is ok here in seti land.
Thanks for all the help

bj

I preferred how you could merge any machines together in the classic days.

It makes the back end logic look wonky when I want to merge two ID's from the same host, such as 6414850 & 6184914, & you just get the "No hosts are eligible for merging with this one." message.
4153) Message boards : Number crunching : cross-project id (Message 1201857)
Posted 2 Mar 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Checked host 6056052 which is the new id which has merge and delete. The merge does not show the other computer but two others and delete it will come back as soon as I start boinc.
The old host has merge but no computers to merge with.

Then you can not merge the hosts. Which happens sometimes.

I would guess that the servers don't think they are compatible as the new ID doesn't have a GPU.
4154) Message boards : Number crunching : cross-project id (Message 1201827)
Posted 2 Mar 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I am guessing this is your new machine ID.

At the bottom of the page when you are logged in you will see:
"Merge duplicate records of this computer Merge."

Which will list any other compatible hosts that it can be merged with.
4155) Message boards : Number crunching : I can't remember how to find... (Message 1201800)
Posted 2 Mar 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Out of my class of 268 only about 60 are still active.


I'm afraid to say it's out of 2874:(

I remember being stuck with MS WebTV when Seti launched (well at least I was "stuck" in Honolulu) so obviously couldn't sign up. But I got round to it many months later... Had conviently forgot the lame username "pure" (way down @714) though.

Thanx a lot Claggy!;)

Edit: Mark, it looks like your class had 1719

I prefer to use the BOINC class stats. Since in the Classic days there were so many that didn't really stay for long. Once you are into the top 400 or so from there down many have a last contact in the year 2000 or even 1999. So were not to into it it would seem. :/
4156) Message boards : Number crunching : I can't remember how to find... (Message 1201709)
Posted 2 Mar 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
<koff>

Last Modified: Wed Jan 11 22:48:51 2006 UTC

Blast from the Past. ;] The BS Stats page was up to date and I was happy to see that I'm fourth in my class and many are still Crunchin".

It is always nice to see the others of your "class" crunching away. Out of my class of 268 only about 60 are still active.


I will also add that I frequently use the term "I resemble that remark" in a sarcastic fashion. Such as: "Look at all of those weirdos looking for aliens with their computers" "Hey, I resemble that remark!". :P
4157) Message boards : Number crunching : Is this a Boinc bug?????? (Message 1201693)
Posted 2 Mar 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hmmm....nobody has yet isolated the bug, eh?
Curiouser and curiouser. No internet outage tonight, so all is good here.
My DSL is usually very reliable, so this is not an urgent issue. But I have had it happen before.

Might have a go at testing the kill internet and then pull the network plug thingy just to see what effect that has tomorrow evening.

I have some questions to work out a few details in my head.
-Are there active/pending transfers occurring when this happens?
-If there are active/pending transfers, about how many?
-Is this happening on all of your boxes or just some?
-If it is just some of them, which one(s)?
4158) Message boards : Number crunching : The dreaded limits, and lack of AP's (Message 1201691)
Posted 2 Mar 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hmm, I wonder if I should complain about something today?...
..
..
..
Hmm, no I can't think of anything really. AP splitters still offline, but since I have AP's to last me 2 weeks or so, why should I complain about that....or anything at all....?

LOL

Beginning to think I've entered a different universe, where Sten isn't complaining ;-)

It is far more likely that that our Sten-Arne has been replaced with an alien.
4159) Message boards : Number crunching : Bonic and Windows 8 (Message 1201596)
Posted 2 Mar 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I installed the developer preview to my laptop. I hate this OS!!!! I don't like a lot of shortcuts on my desktop, instead I like the windows key and then the list of installed programs. THIS LIST DOES NOT EXIST ANYMORE!!!!!! Sorry about the shouting. I am going back to 7. I hope 7 has as long a life as XP had.

Yeah it's got the stupid start page it is like they are trying to make desktops into a tab or phone. I hate it also so true about the programs I like the start button.

Me too, I like 7 and the Start button, No Start Button, No $ale...

I never cared for the newer style start button & how there was no way to revert to the older one in Win7. Luckily an app Classic Shell fixes that for me. I installed the current version in Win 8, but it was a no go.

The metro interface might be good for mobile devices and HTPC's. I don't think it is a good direction for the desktop, workstation, or server environment. This continues with what I have been saying for a while about how everyone is dumbing down things to "playskool" like interfaces.
4160) Message boards : Number crunching : ~ The new Astropulse/NTPCKR and Download servers are on their way! ~ (Message 1201561)
Posted 2 Mar 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Applause for Phil and thanks to Graham.

+1

+2

+3 :)

+4

+5

Steve

=15

& I agree with the rest of them.
4161) Message boards : Number crunching : Is this a Boinc bug?????? (Message 1201560)
Posted 2 Mar 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Perhaps a test by setting the proxy settings of BOINC to something unreachable. Such as 127.0.0.1 or any other unused address on your network.
4162) Message boards : Number crunching : Bonic and Windows 8 (Message 1201467)
Posted 1 Mar 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I guess I would mention I had turned UAC off and also had the kernel debugger (WINDBG) connected via 1394. Neither of which I would expect to affect the installation, but...

Well it doesn't seem that any of those things you did were the cause. I loaded up a box and ran the install as soon as I hit the desktop after the OS install & got the message. If you do a PAE install then it is fine.

I did some messing around as I thought maybe the installer wasn't being allowed to make the groups otherwise. So I ran the installer using PAE. Then uninstalled BOINC. Which leaves the groups in place. Then I ran the installer without PAE selected and got the error again. however, I did find something odd when I looked at the group members.

It did in fact add the user, in this case TestAdmin, to the group.

This occurs after disabling most of the extra security features as well.

My normal mode of "install" is just to copy/move a copy of the BOINC program folder to the target machine. So this doesn't effect me so much. However I will need to give 7.x a go to see if this error is still present in the current dev line.
4163) Message boards : Number crunching : Bonic and Windows 8 (Message 1201440)
Posted 1 Mar 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have just installed on Windows 8 Build 8250 on http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/show_host_detail.php?hostid=6452355, but when I tried to install BOINC 6.12.34 the installation failed reporting it could not create the accounts. I tried running as admin and this also failed. I got it working by copying \Program Files\BOINC\ across from a Windows 7 system and doing an export/import of the registry information.

Once I had attached to SETI@home I stopped BOINC and installed the Lunatics with no problems.

Has anyone managed to install Build 8250 on other than C:? I installed on H:, but this is now C:. If you have how did you do it please?

I didn't have that issue on the 32 bit machine. I'll rummage around for a 64 bit box and see what I get.
4164) Message boards : Number crunching : Is this a Boinc bug?????? (Message 1201386)
Posted 1 Mar 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Right, so its Boinc manager that does the communication.. So it would seem that there are some problems with its comms routines, handshaking seems dodgy on occasions, and the timeout on failure isnt particularly great:-(

And now its locking up completely in this case.

Does it seem likely that DA or someone will be looking at those routines again in the near future?

Regards,

Er, I said client. That's boinc.exe, not boincmgr.exe - they're different. To get the attention of BOINC developers, we have to avoid faux pas like that.

They will want - ideally - a solution on a plate, that works on all operating systems, and on all network topologies. Failing that, a clear exposition of the circumstances under which the problem complained of occurs, and an explanation of why it happens for some users and not others, would be a great help.

I'll try to do some more tests. After lunch.

Something I can add.
I don't run the manager on most of my machines. So the communications between the client and manager probably isn't part of the issue.
4165) Message boards : Number crunching : Is this a Boinc bug?????? (Message 1201340)
Posted 1 Mar 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
BOINC does seem to suffer from a memory leak issue when doing lots of connections. Which seems to cause some odd behavior with it at times. It may be related to the issue you are seeing as well.
With the current connection limits and my machines constantly begging for work it has caused this to be come worse on my fastest machines. I would guess this might be worse for you guys with a lot of GPUs. On my C2D T7200 at home boinc.exe is already over 45MB for memory usage after just 6 days. On my dual E5645 at work it was well over 500MB recently and the machine about running about as fast as syrup at 34ºF.
4166) Message boards : Number crunching : Aren't Validated WUs Supposed to Disappear in 24 Hours Or So? (Message 1201337)
Posted 1 Mar 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Joe, did you report this possible bug?

No, I haven't been able to get a clear enough understanding of what's happening. I've looked through the BOINC Transitioner code a couple of times trying to spot where things are going wrong, unsuccessfully.

Cosmic_Ocean noted the problem in the Technical News thread Return (Feb 16 2012) and I followed up the next day with links to 11 examples.
                                                                   Joe

And several times I have suggested making a thread specifically for posting more examples with the wuID, so that some sort of batch-file can be made to go through and prune as many of these as possible, if it is even possible to manually push them through.

Thinking somewhat abstractly, it almost seems like what happens is _0 and _1 get validated, and when that happens, a canonical result is chosen. The next step is supposed to be assimilation, then DB purge, ending with file delete. When a canonical result is chosen, the now unneeded result files are discarded.

I think what may be happening is that it travels through validate and assimilation, but because there is still a non-expired result waiting to be returned, DB purge is put on hold since that WU is not done yet. Once the remaining result does show up though, it can't compare to the other result files, so it becomes "stuck in limbo."

One thing that I do not know if it is possible from our end is.. is it even possible to verify and see if the canonical result file is still on disk? I know since the WU hasn't been purged and deleted that it can still be found and downloaded. If it IS in fact possible for the validator to compare _2 with the chosen canonical result, through some hole or bug, have the files already been deleted even though the DB entry is still obviously not purged?

Just some more points to ponder on that situation.

There have been at least two threads that people have started about posting these stuck tasks.

Probably the first step would be to find these threads and see if the posted tasks are still in this state.
4167) Message boards : Number crunching : ~ The new Astropulse/NTPCKR and Download servers are on their way! ~ (Message 1201269)
Posted 1 Mar 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
One of those really has 9 DIMM slots per CPU? (As opposed to a binary multiple?)

Any special reason for the physical arrangement of the populated DIMMs?


It does look kind of odd, but the 5500/5600 series Xeon processors require a minimum of three DIMMs per CPU, so you can have four but not two. One machine has 9 slots per CPU with 96GB installed (6x16GB) and the other has 12 slots per CPU with 128GB installed (8x16GB.)

The Intel machine has an insane number of fans in it, and it's incredibly loud. I was staggered by the sound and how much air moved through it so I hope no one has a desk anywhere near it at the installation location. I should have taken a recording of it it's that crazy!

Normally I will see 6, 8, or 12 per CPU for a dual Xeon board. 9 makes sense, but it is just kind of rare I think.

Luckily the guys have a closet where their racks live. However I bet that closet can be heard form a great distance as it is. Maybe this one will make that area a required hearing protection zone. lol

I was playing around with some new, to me, servers at work recently. Since I was just starting to populate a new rack without much weight to it. I did have a concern that the volume of air being pushed through the machines would cause the rack to start rolling.
4168) Message boards : Number crunching : Aren't Validated WUs Supposed to Disappear in 24 Hours Or So? (Message 1201231)
Posted 1 Mar 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
If you look at the page for the workunit you will see there is a 3rd result pending. There are several from that time frame that are stuck in this fashion. As has been discussed a few times in various topics.


So?

I thought that once it is validated, that's it and it is just left there for a short period for the user to view - the credit's been granted, and all that, and it is to be deleted shortly. Why does it depend on the pending (I think is what you are saying), when mine has been deemed OK, and, even if the pending one comes in at a different credit number, it is still outvoted 2-1.

What you are talking about has to do with WUs in the Pending state, I thought, where (I agree) they can hang around for a long time waiting for another user to come up with the same number, so they can then both be validated...

What is conditional about validation?

I don't know the ins and outs the process that removes files after they are validated.

However I imagine that once a canonical result is found a flag is set for the work unit to be removed. Then the process that removes these does come checking. Such as the time it was flagged to be removed and if any of the tasks assigned to the workunit are pending. If not all the condition to remove it are met then it skips over it until the next pass. The issue comes up and there doesn't seem to be a process to have the validator run again to to change the state of any pending tasks.
4169) Message boards : Number crunching : ~ The new Astropulse/NTPCKR and Download servers are on their way! ~ (Message 1201108)
Posted 29 Feb 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I like everything about this post.
4170) Message boards : Number crunching : Aren't Validated WUs Supposed to Disappear in 24 Hours Or So? (Message 1201103)
Posted 29 Feb 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
If you look at the page for the workunit you will see there is a 3rd result pending. There are several from that time frame that are stuck in this fashion. As has been discussed a few times in various topics.
4171) Message boards : Number crunching : I'm really trying not to whine... (Message 1201053)
Posted 29 Feb 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
When I made a donation it took a long time to get my star which I don't have now.

I don't see the star for anyone these days. As I blocked the image http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/star.gif. It saves me from having to download the whole 97 bytes it takes to my cache.
4172) Message boards : Number crunching : The 400 and 50 WU limits are way too small (Message 1201032)
Posted 29 Feb 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Seems so strange to me that people who are donating processor time to this project are being limited to how much they can actually perform. I thought the point of the project was to identify signals from space that may be of a non earth origin. There is a whole lot of sky to search and enough work to keep everyone busy for years. This bottleneck of work distribution is kind of silly in todays computing environment. So get with the program or somebody else will.

It isn't really strange at all to limit how work people are allowed to have at once. Even without the current limits that are in place there is still a limit of x days of work that a machine is allowed to build up.

In generally with the volume of people donating their processor time we can crunch through the data faster then they can receive and rip it out to us.

Another thing to remember is that in today's environment this project has limited funding to pay for everything. Including their network & server maintenance.

One thing they really need to add on the project requirements page is patience. If you don't have that then you will quickly get frustrated.
4173) Message boards : Number crunching : Piece of Raspberry pi for £22 ($35) (Message 1201027)
Posted 29 Feb 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
They were just trying to work out 'cost per flop' comparisons in the BOINC forums - though I think it was a bit misleading to compare component costs with the whole-computer price of the Pi.

I guess that is the same basic conversation that we were having here about using smartphones to process data. As this board uses one of the same processors that goes in smartphones.

These little SOC boards normally cost a lot more, in $100-200 range. This sounds more like one of those BASIC Stamp boards that I tinkered around with in school.

So a nice stack of these buggers and you are all set for some kind of fun.
4174) Message boards : Number crunching : Breathing life into an old computer (Message 1200920)
Posted 29 Feb 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I'm really pleased with my old P4 that I turned into a dedicated cruncher with three GT430 PCI. I didn't know what to expect RAC-wise, I would have been happy with 3000 but it kept climbing and I think it started to level out around 5700 just before the server trouble began.

Does anyone have a guess how much of the RAC can be accredited to the CPU? I can't remember what kind of RAC it had in it's previous life. Both reincarnations are/were running the stock app.

I have a small army of old P4's that I am using currently. No matter how fast they are they generally stay run 1000 RAC. While I don't have any new enough to have 2MB of cache, just Northwoods with 521KB and Prescotts with 1MB. The 3.4GHz chips I have normally hang around 900 RAC. So it looks like around 1500-1600 per card for you on that system.
4175) Message boards : Number crunching : CPU Load question (Message 1200782)
Posted 29 Feb 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I started a command promt as administrator and that worked. But how can I start a batch file as administrator (although I'm an administrator).

Anthony.

If you are an admin I'm not sure why it wouldn't work. If you are using a shortcut to launch the /bat file short cuts do have an option on the Shortcut tab > Advanced > Run as Administrator.

If you run the .bat from a command prompt does it work?
4176) Message boards : Number crunching : CPU Load question (Message 1200692)
Posted 28 Feb 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I've tried using a batch file to use the console 'start' command, but it doesn't work. It doesn't even work when I open a command prompt and then use the 'start' command.

Anthony.

If start isn't working from the command prompt then something funny is going on. Maybe it only works with admin rights that isn't being used?
4177) Message boards : Number crunching : Stuck GPU MB work unit (Message 1200690)
Posted 28 Feb 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have recently found my HD6870 sitting with 10+ hours on a task with 0% gumming up the works. They were not VLAR's, which are allowed for non NVIDIA cards, but I haven't spent any time looking into it yet. As I have only seen this happen 3 times in the past week. I gave my machine a reboot yesterday, when I saw it happen again, since it had been up for a few weeks. Since that tends to fix most GPU issues.

If I start seeing it happen more there might need to be some investigation. Could be some work that the GPUs are not liking.
4178) Message boards : Number crunching : The 400 and 50 WU limits are way too small (Message 1200688)
Posted 28 Feb 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I may not be following the flow of this thread quite correctly but ...

if the 400 limit per gpu is a pressing problem for you and running 2 WU's per GPU doesn't affect the 400 limit ... then ...

if you are an undauntable BOINC adventurer try running 2 BOINC's and split each GPU between the 2 BOINCS ... each will get the 400 limit ...

I have one of my computers split into 2 with 4 CPU's running lunatics SSE3 (cpu's 1,3,5,7) and 4 CPU's running lunatics ssse3 code (cpu's 0,2,4,6) the 1 GPU I have running lunatics x41g_win32_cuda32.exe*32 from each BOINC instance (one running on cpu's 0,2,4,6 and the other running on cpu's 1,3,5,7). (I'm doing the even/odd cpu stuff just for fun ;-) ).

on the even CPU BOINC instance I have 200 cpu WU's and 400 GPU WU's
on the odd CPU BOINC instance i have 200 cpu WU's and 400 GPU WU's.

if you have a monster rig, this can be expanded to 4 or 8 boincs (it just takes MORE work on your part to keep it all together ;-).

If this idea helps you other crazy's out there ... have at it

Ed F

A cheeky monkey could also have one instance for CPU. Then 2 or 3 more for each GPU to effectively circumvent the limits as well. For that purpose I would think it is more work than it is worth, but some people are bored enough to do just that.
4179) Message boards : Number crunching : The 400 and 50 WU limits are way too small (Message 1200512)
Posted 28 Feb 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I just got:

28/02/2012 01:27:34 | SETI@home | Reporting 2 completed tasks, requesting new tasks for NVIDIA GPU
28/02/2012 01:27:46 | SETI@home | Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks
28/02/2012 01:27:46 | SETI@home | No tasks sent
28/02/2012 01:27:46 | SETI@home | No tasks are available for Astropulse v5
28/02/2012 01:27:46 | SETI@home | No tasks are available for Astropulse v505
28/02/2012 01:27:46 | SETI@home | This computer has reached a limit on tasks in progress

But only have 1,437 WUs. Given I have 4 GPUs I would be allowed 1,600 for the GPUs alone. Is there yet another limit?

Probably ghost tasks but that can't be checked right now with the results disabled.
4180) Message boards : Number crunching : Bonic and Windows 8 (Message 1200502)
Posted 28 Feb 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thank you. I don't really want the boinc groups and I always need to be admin anyway so I will just set it up manually.
Given this is all that needed why does the BOINC installer want to reboot?

I'm not sure. I always just deleted the PendingReboot.txt and went on my merry way. Could just be a choice to cover any wonkyness in the installer and or OS.
4181) Message boards : Number crunching : Bonic and Windows 8 (Message 1200457)
Posted 27 Feb 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
On W7 I am just running the standard install + Lunatics. I assumeded I need to do an install on the W8 system to create the boinc_* groups and add boinc_admins add my accounts. Are there any registry entries ofther than HKCU/HKLM\Software\Space Sciences Laboratory, U.C. Berkeley\BOINC Setup?

I export
[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Space Sciences Laboratory, U.C. Berkeley]
As that is all I need for my purposes. It sets up the GUI as I want.

Most people will need the to export the HKLM directory as well.

If you are not running BOINC as a service or in protected mode then you will probably be OK without the groups. I never create them, but I run BOINC as the currently logged in user. Which has admin rights. Your settings/environment may vary. If you need to create the groups/users you could do that from the command line as well.

REM reg import "D:\Boinc\Settings.reg"
net localgroup boinc_admins /Comment:"BOINC Admins" /add 
net user BOINCUser Password /add /fullname:"BOINCUser"
net localgroup boinc_admins BOINCUser /add

I am not up on how to assign group permissions from the command line, but you can then add whatever right the group needs without having to use the GUI to do everything.
4182) Message boards : Number crunching : Bonic and Windows 8 (Message 1200349)
Posted 27 Feb 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have a Dual Boot W7 + W8 system (both x64) and have BOINC 6.12.34 on the W7 one. What is the fastest way to make BOINC available on both the W7+W8 systems and share the BOINC data? How about the following
1) Boot W8
2) Install the same BOINC as I have on W7, but use different directories
3) Use REDEDT32 to change DATADIR to the W7 one.
4) Delete the DATADIR created by step 2.

Depending on how you are running BOINC. I find it easier to:
1) Install BOINC in 1st OS in a location that will be accessible to both OS's.
2) Delete registry entries.
3) Setup/attatch to projects.
4) Install, run, or image to 2nd OS.
5) Run BOINC without any issues.

I found that was the easiest way for me to run BOINC on the test machines I have in my lab. Since most of them have somewhere around 20 different OS's that I need to run.

You could also export the BOINC registry entries and them import them to the other OS.
4183) Message boards : Number crunching : boinccmd - Error -102: read() failed (Message 1200346)
Posted 27 Feb 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I get the same message at times. Even locally on machines where I am using a RAM drive for BOINC. I think it just the occasional tendency for bits of BOINC to go OTL.

Much like I will see "authorization failure", "access denied", or "wrong invalid password" messages. Since I am running my command from batch files it isn't like I accidentally mistyped something or such.

Really the only time I find it annoying is when I am issuing commands for doing things like disabling and renabling the network for BOINC. Sometimes I get a miss on the renabled. So I run it twice to be safe.
4184) Message boards : Number crunching : Communication problem (Message 1200211)
Posted 27 Feb 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have upload speed of 5Mbit an download 10Mbit and 6 local machines sharing the connection only one uses the web the others are just running seti and they all have units in the down load cue but none have completed. I think the limit to down load should be only 10 units in your crunch cue and then return one and then get a new one, all my machines are slower and have small hard drives have small hard drives and by the time the do an astropulse unit is like 250+hours Cuda units take like 4 hours per each old 8600gt and its like 5 hrs for the old 9300GE card. the real problem is all these faster computers that do Seti6.03 in very little time and the cuda units in like 30 seconds keep hammering the servers and they can not get any units out. I think that any computer faster than 1.8Ghz core clock be made to do the large astropulse units and leave the small units to us people with old systems as we are no threat to your stats we just believe in the science and are here to support the project

So my 24 core machine can only do 10 at a time? :(

Are you using the stock S@H application? I wonder as my GT8500 normally does tasks in 1.5 hours.
4185) Message boards : Number crunching : CPU Load question (Message 1200205)
Posted 27 Feb 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
HAL9000 wrote:
That is normal unless you are specifying affinity when you start BOINC to keep it on whichever cores you want.

For your a 4 core CPU you probably want to let windows spread the load across all of the cores, but if you do not. Then you can start BOINC from a command line like this:
start /affinity hex value boinc.exe

I made a little table of the values since it seems backwards to me.
HEX	BINARY		CPU Cores
1	0001		0
2	0010		1
3	0011		0,1
4	0100		2
5	0101		0,2
6	0110		1,2
7	0111		0,1,2
8	1000		3
9	1001		0,3
A	1010		1,3
B	1011		0,1,3
C	1100		2,3
D	1101		0,2,3
E	1110		1,2,3
F	1111		0,1,2,3

HEX	BINARY		CPU Cores
10	00010000	4
20	00100000	5
30	00110000	4,5
40	01000000	6
50	01010000	4,6
60	01100000	5,6
70	01110000	4,5,6
80	10000000	7
90	10010000	4,7
A0	10100000	5,7
B0	10110000	4,5,7
C0	11000000	7,7
D0	11010000	4,6,7
E0	11100000	5,6,7
F0	11110000	4,5,6,7


For a 4 core system to just use cores 0 & 2:
start /affinity 5 boinc.exe
For a 4 core system to just use cores 1 & 3:
start /affinity A boinc.exe
For a 8 core system to just use cores 0, 2, 4, & 6:
start /affinity 55 boinc.exe
For a 8 core system to just use cores 1, 3, 5, & 7:
start /affinity AA boinc.exe

While you could use F (on a 4 core system) or FF (on an 8 core system). That would be a bit silly since you would be telling it to let it use all cores which is the system default.

How can I integrate this into a normal BOINC 6.12.34 installation?

Anthony.

I start my machine by loading things up in a bat file. I am on my old single core notebook at the moment so it just looks like this:
_B_Start.bat
D:
cd boinc
rd notices /s /q
D:\BOINC\boinc.exe --skip_cpu_benchmarks --detach
start D:\BOINC\boincmgr.exe /s


However a quick change to this would do the trick on a multi-core machine.
D:
cd boinc
rd notices /s /q
start /affinity AA D:\BOINC\boinc.exe --skip_cpu_benchmarks --detach
start D:\BOINC\boincmgr.exe /s


If you are starting BOINC by loading boincmgr.exe I would expect you could just change your starting shortcut or registry entry to:
start /affinity AA D:\BOINC\boincmgr.exe /s

Keeping whatever other syntax you are currently using. If a registry entry is used to start up BOINC for you then you can make the changes on a machine and export the entry to a .reg file. Making the installation on other machines easier for you.
4186) Message boards : Number crunching : CPU Load question (Message 1200171)
Posted 26 Feb 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
That is normal unless you are specifying affinity when you start BOINC to keep it on whichever cores you want.

For your a 4 core CPU you probably want to let windows spread the load across all of the cores, but if you do not. Then you can start BOINC from a command line like this:
start /affinity hex value boinc.exe

I made a little table of the values since it seems backwards to me.
HEX	BINARY		CPU Cores
1	0001		0
2	0010		1
3	0011		0,1
4	0100		2
5	0101		0,2
6	0110		1,2
7	0111		0,1,2
8	1000		3
9	1001		0,3
A	1010		1,3
B	1011		0,1,3
C	1100		2,3
D	1101		0,2,3
E	1110		1,2,3
F	1111		0,1,2,3

HEX	BINARY		CPU Cores
10	00010000	4
20	00100000	5
30	00110000	4,5
40	01000000	6
50	01010000	4,6
60	01100000	5,6
70	01110000	4,5,6
80	10000000	7
90	10010000	4,7
A0	10100000	5,7
B0	10110000	4,5,7
C0	11000000	7,7
D0	11010000	4,6,7
E0	11100000	5,6,7
F0	11110000	4,5,6,7


For a 4 core system to just use cores 0 & 2:
start /affinity 5 boinc.exe
For a 4 core system to just use cores 1 & 3:
start /affinity A boinc.exe
For a 8 core system to just use cores 0, 2, 4, & 6:
start /affinity 55 boinc.exe
For a 8 core system to just use cores 1, 3, 5, & 7:
start /affinity AA boinc.exe

While you could use F (on a 4 core system) or FF (on an 8 core system). That would be a bit silly since you would be telling it to let it use all cores which is the system default.
4187) Message boards : Number crunching : Did I Miss Something? (Message 1200165)
Posted 26 Feb 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I'm sure they'll re-enable the tasks page...

...it is just "temporary". Like the limits. :-D


At least we still have "Consecutive valid tasks" on the application details page to (hopefully) spot if any of the machines started to act up.

I hope they bring it back next week. It is rather handy not to only check for problems with work distribution and cache levels, but also to look for any sudden rise in error or invalid tasks being sent back by the crunchers.

Indeed. The only way of checking my cache levels at the moment is by the "This computer has reached a limit on tasks in progress" messages.
4188) Message boards : Number crunching : Smartphone crunching (Message 1200161)
Posted 26 Feb 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
You are right that LINPACK may not offer the best method for comparison. I just looked up more benchmark results on x86 from LINPACK and found another two wildly different numbers.

Core i7-3960X (Stock, HT On) - 64.9275 GFLOPS
Core i7-3960X (4.5 GHz, HT On) - 133.9831 GFLOPS

There is an OC in the second case but it wouldn't account for that much difference. I suspect different setups or benchmark settings prevent it from being a good apples-to-apples comparison to use when different people are running the benchmark.

I'm not even counting your added cost for your bandwidth usage, etc that you'd incur because of the download/uploads that you'd encounter. figuring about 14 WU's a month comes out to 5.1Mb which is pretty much beyond the standard smartphone contracted bandwidth usage.

For all that money wasted on a smartphone you could just as easily bought a cheap laptop and beaten your smartphone handily.


5.1Mb is not a big deal for many data plans from major carriers in the U.S., but even if so, the smartphone client could give the option to restrict data transfers to only when a WiFi connection is available. In my case my phone uses the router in the house when it's in range and the cell data plan when I'm elsewhere. It probably gets a WiFi connection often enough that a reasonable cache will keep it busy when there is no WiFi.

5MB/mo would cost a lot if you were on one of those $1.99/MB rates. Luckily most companies offer unlimited data plans cheap these days. Even thought I get unlimited I have to try if I want to use more than 100mb. So even a 200mb plan would work for me. Oddly if I changed plans it wold cost me more to have a 200mb data plan as the one I have now no longer exists.
4189) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (69) Server problems? (Message 1200035)
Posted 26 Feb 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hi Claggy,
Thanks, dont know much about the in[f]ternal workings of Boinc or the drivers.

Cheers,

That throws most people for a loop the first time they see it. In reality ,depending on the speed on your GPU & GPU, the processing of a task will spend much less than .04% of its time on the CPU. As there is a ~30 second "load time" to get GPU tasks started.
4190) Message boards : Number crunching : Communication problem (Message 1200033)
Posted 26 Feb 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
With with a 100Mb line and 226,274 active hosts that would give about 0.442Kb per host. But our servers suffer form the C10K issue, at least last I heard. So with only 10,000, or maybe 20,000 with the 2 download servers, active connections. That would give 10Kb or 5Kb per connection. Without including the overhead from all the dropped connections pounding at the door. So anything more than that is a bonus!

I think the guys in the lab should have a standing item on their wish list for something like "Data center rental". Which would include the required servers and connection. I imagine this would be many more times the current cost that they spend on the connection and maintaining the servers.
4191) Message boards : Number crunching : Did I Miss Something? (Message 1200028)
Posted 26 Feb 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I blame jarvin for being up the topic that resulted in the comment. :D )


Yeah - let's get this guy jarvin and string him up!
Commie bastard. Wall Streeter, too, I bet!
I'll get the rope.

Uh...Nevermind...

Fine, fine... maybe one day I will learn that skill "proofreading". Most likely not. :P
4192) Message boards : Number crunching : Did I Miss Something? (Message 1199949)
Posted 26 Feb 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Now that the tasks display has gone, probably for ever (it's hindering recovery: do *you* think it will ever come back?) is there any way of getting the task number, i.e. resultid, from the task name? From there I can get the workunit and continiue to keep track of my per-task run time and cpu time used on SETI.


They have disabled the task view many many times before, temporary (couple of days or so), and it always has come back again. A few times, they have simply forgotten to enable it again, and it's been gone for a week or so, before they remembered that it was disabled.

It'll be back again, I'm sure.

There is often a "everything seems to be working, lets give it a bit just in case it all falls apart again" moment after you finish fixing something.

At least they left the stats generator enabled. ( Now that someone mentioned it I imagine it too will be off for a week or two again. I blame jarvin for being up the topic that resulted in the comment. :D )
4193) Message boards : Number crunching : Did I Miss Something? (Message 1199938)
Posted 26 Feb 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Now that the tasks display has gone, probably for ever (it's hindering recovery: do *you* think it will ever come back?) is there any way of getting the task number, i.e. resultid, from the task name? From there I can get the workunit and continiue to keep track of my per-task run time and cpu time used on SETI.

I think what you would really want is the wuid not the resultid. As the result ID is generated for each host that gets assigned a task. However the work unit ID is probably also generated sequentially for each task the splitters make without any reference to the task name. Unlike the hashes that are used to decipher which /sah/download_fanout/ folder the tasks are kept in for download.
4194) Message boards : Number crunching : Did I Miss Something? (Message 1199935)
Posted 26 Feb 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
You didn't miss anything other than the announcement that all of the result pages were disabled the other day in the Tech News.
4195) Message boards : Number crunching : good systems for under 200 € (Message 1199880)
Posted 26 Feb 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Just be careful with the new cedar trail atoms (e.g. the D2500 & D2700) as they are NOT 64 bit enabled.

They are 64 bit CAPABLE, but NONE of the atom motherboard manufacturers have enabled 64 bit support as Intel has really crappy drivers for the new graphics chipset that only supports 32 bit.

What?! That's a shameful waste of CPU transistors, electrical power, and overall performance.

And I thought the Atoms were Marketed on being low electrical power and efficient...

(And I'm still suspicious of the system memory bandwidth lost to on-board "integrated" graphics...)


Happy cool crunchin',
Martin

From the reviews I have seen the Atom chips are not efficient, just low powered.
While a Pentium G620T might be 2-3 times the power you can get much more done with the given power.
I don't see why the motherboard makers would disable EMT64. That is a bit of a willy thing to do just because the built in graphics don't have a good driver yet. I don't see what is wrong with using the inbox standard graphics adapter driver.
4196) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (69) Server problems? (Message 1199711)
Posted 25 Feb 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Look folks.........
Anything that disenfranchises anybody for any reason on purpose is just NOT gonna happen here.
They have enough problems right now keeping the able bodied kitties supplied with work.

I think NASA would have a tough time keeping you supplied with work! ;)

The issue of cutting off the old and slow by lowering the expiration times is the same argument for cutting off old BOINC clients. "Anyone using a really old version makes me loose 0.00015% of the credit I would otherwise get! So we should set a minimum version." They return good science results so there is no reason they shouldn't keep processing work. Same with the slower processors.

If the longest anyone is taking now is < 5 weeks I wouldn't see an issue from changing the default 6 weeks down to 5. However I bet there are a few machines out there taking 5 weeks and 6.75 days to get though some work.
4197) Message boards : Number crunching : SETI@home | Backing off 2 hr 45 min 50 sec on download (Message 1199701)
Posted 25 Feb 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
In the BOINC manager, under tools --> computing preferences, on the network usage tab, set the additional work buffer to a couple of days or so. That should allow you to keep enough jobs in the queue and not worry so much on the download backoff times.

Welcome to the forums.
The issue with back off times goes well beyond not having a large enough work queue. Currently there are limits in place of 50 tasks per CPU core and 400 per GPU. So a fast machine can rather easily run out of work with really large back off times. Even my i7-860, limited to 200 tasks as I only 4 out of 8 threads, ran out of work to process recently even though I retry transfers every 60 minutes. However there were about 40 in the transfer queue.
4198) Message boards : Number crunching : SETI@home | Backing off 2 hr 45 min 50 sec on download (Message 1199683)
Posted 25 Feb 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
At the moment Auto Retry is not generally enabled as I am concerned it may overload the servers. I plan to make it generally available once I have feedback from Beta testers.

I think in general the servers are, and have been, overloaded already. Are you using a hard coded retry interval or making it a user defined setting? I would think any more than 60-90 minutes would be to often. I think the guys in the lab think anything < a few hours is to often.

One thing I have found is that I have to sometimes suspend network traffic. As some transfers are reading something, like 2.5k, in the speed field but nothing is actually going on. If you are not already doing so you may want add a network suspend and then back to the users setting if possible. I actually do a network suspend, send the retry, and then let the network go again.
4199) Message boards : Number crunching : She's dead, Jim (Message 1199550)
Posted 25 Feb 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
An aging Dell at work did that to me when I was trying to show someone something this week. I gave it a few days without power and everything seemed to be OK, but then I noticed the screen flickering. Seems as though the LCD back light is dying on that thing. Once it starts acting up the only way I get anything is to remove the battery and unplug it. Then if I plug it in I'll get the back light for a little while.
4200) Message boards : Number crunching : Crunching on your phone (Message 1199279)
Posted 24 Feb 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hmmm... Yeah that thread seems to have vanished. It must have been hidden/removed for people getting crazy. :/

Android is just another version of linux. So I would think there would be several builds out there already that would run on the ARM hardware. Probably more from small embedded devices rather than phones/tablets, but it is good to see a solution out there that would be a semi easy way to run a preconfigured setup.
4201) Message boards : Number crunching : Bonic and Windows 8 (Message 1199124)
Posted 24 Feb 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I wouldn't dare trying to run Bonic on Windows 8. However I'm sure it is possible to run Boinc on Windows 8.

And it is even possible to run S@H once BOINC is up and going. I don't remember if I ran it on a machine with a useable GPU or not, but I might load it up on box here at home in a bit to see what it thinks of my HD3850.

So I got around to installing the Windows 8 preview on one of my home boxes and installed BOINC without any issues. I did have to fight with the OS a bit to install my ATI drive as it really wanted to keep the inbox driver. After removing the inbox driver everything was fine and BOINC recognized my HD3850 like it normally would.
Once MS does the next pubic release on the 29th we can see if that one plays nice with BOINC. I will probably have it installed on a machine in my lab at work within a few days of the release. Hopefully on my machine with the NVIDIA GPU.
4202) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (69) Server problems? (Message 1199109)
Posted 24 Feb 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The servers may have recovered but have the staff recovered from the recovery operation :¬)

Well once we get that "/dcc case of beer" issue worked out I am sure they will.
4203) Message boards : Number crunching : Bonic and Windows 8 (Message 1199059)
Posted 23 Feb 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I wouldn't dare trying to run Bonic on Windows 8. However I'm sure it is possible to run Boinc on Windows 8.

And it is even possible to run S@H once BOINC is up and going. I don't remember if I ran it on a machine with a useable GPU or not, but I might load it up on box here at home in a bit to see what it thinks of my HD3850.
4204) Message boards : Number crunching : Bonic and Windows 8 (Message 1198701)
Posted 23 Feb 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
bonic won't run in windows 8

OK if you say so. I guess I imagined it when I ran it before. Less work for me.
4205) Message boards : Number crunching : Bonic and Windows 8 (Message 1198698)
Posted 23 Feb 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I didn't have any problems when the first released the preview a while back.

Which version of BOINC are you using? If I have time at work I can run that setup in the lab and see if it spits out anything funny to me.
4206) Message boards : Number crunching : good systems for under 200 € (Message 1198697)
Posted 23 Feb 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
SETI can use most modern GPUs.....
I'm too lazy to investigate which GPU that system comes with but a list of supported ATI's are here.......
http://developer.amd.com/sdks/AMDAPPSDK/pages/DriverCompatibility.aspx

thanks for the great list!
it says
"Supported Devices:1
AMD APU Family with AMD Radeonâ„¢ HD Graphics
A-Series
E2-Series
C-Series
E-Series
G-Series"
Alot of Bobcat-GPU are supported. So I will definitely try one of them out and compare its performance with some Intel Atoms.

You might already know there is a new Atom out. The D2700 which effectively replaces the D525. I don't know how they are on prices for you, but the Intel boards are actually a bit less than the D525 boards in the places I shop.
Yes, i have a list with all the Atoms and their characteristics. I will try some of them out and will see who performs good and who does not. I checked prices for Mini-ITX-Bords with the D2700 and found a good one for 74 € which is about the same as for the D525.

thank you both for your answers


PS: right now i am setting up a Fujitsu-Primergy-Server with two Pentium III 700 Mhz *ggg*. It has a floppy-drive :)
lets see how the Pentiums perform

I just got a quad socket Xeon system at work this week with 3.0GHz, 400MHz FSB, 4MB cache chips in it. I am kind of wanting to run some work through it to see how it compares to it's 3.0GHz, 800FSB, 1MB brothers. However I am waiting on power cords as the supplies require cords with the higher amp connectors. They look more like -_- instead of the vertical pins on normal supplies.

Sometimes it is fun to work with odd hardware and see what it can do compared to the modern beasts. I've found some of the old stuff can still hold its own computing wise, but not when it comes to performance per watt.
4207) Message boards : Number crunching : AP For Nvidia (Message 1198692)
Posted 23 Feb 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Inclusion of OpenCL for NVidia applications into the Lunatics installer are subject to playing nicely with the newest recommended driver.

It is available as a beta app from Lunatics.
Current revision r540 - please note that development has focused on the changes needed for AP v6. You can use r540 for v505 work by using the -v505 commandline switch.


A Linux version, please!


I assume you want a GPU Linux version? Unless you can pull a competent coder out of your hat, Lunatics currently just doesn't have the manpower. Everybody on the team works entirely voluntary. I can count the active coders on one hand. And they are almost all focused more or less on one particular app (or set of apps).
Currently they are all working very hard on getting the apps for MB V7 ready.
As far as I'm aware a Linux OpenCL AP app is in very early alpha, but hasn't been worked on for some time. If you are lucky, when the MB app is out, development might focus on AP again.

The biggest problem with Linux apps as I see it - lack of testers.
Urs does Linux build very fast after I commit new code and do Windows build,but he restricted with 1-2 alpha testers so app qualified as alpha because no one can prove it works anywhere else.
So if someone want Linux binaries be ready to test them....

From my experiences with various nix systems most users of such systems should be prepared to be alpha testers for pretty much anything.
4208) Message boards : Number crunching : good systems for under 200 € (Message 1198387)
Posted 22 Feb 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Recently I have been trying to decide if I wanted to make another MODT machine or so with a small stack of Atom based systems. Which would cost me about the same either way. I am leaning more towards the MODT setup as, with a PCIe x16 slot, it has more options for doing different things.

I don't venture much into AMD land. I only do so now as they acquired ATI. :/ I have seen benchmarks of their APU's bust most of those focus on the graphics which blow the Atom graphics out of the water.

Raistmer posted recently (the main developer for the ATI/AMD GPU applications) that the APU's do support the OpenCL applications. Whioh he is running on one of his systems. As seen here.

You might already know there is a new Atom out. The D2700 which effectively replaces the D525. I don't know how they are on prices for you, but the Intel boards are actually a bit less than the D525 boards in the places I shop.
4209) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (68) Server problems? (Message 1198372)
Posted 22 Feb 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
[size=18 ]Read The Main Page (RTMP), 3 day outage is back..[/size]

I didn't know we were ever off of the 3 day maintenance cycle. However the main page does state that the project will be offline until the server that had bad memory recovers.
4210) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (68) Server problems? (Message 1198327)
Posted 21 Feb 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
anything fixed ?


Nah, that will happen soon after it starts snowing in he**

LOL

It snows in Hell quite a lot. I think the snow there can be predicted with greater accuracy than that of the servers status.
4211) Message boards : Number crunching : The 400 and 50 WU limits are way too small (Message 1198302)
Posted 21 Feb 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I keep wondering why the Average turnaround time can't be used to decide how many WUs you are allowed. Currently for my 980X it is 0.38 days and it has 731 pending so it would need to be allowed about 6000 rather than 2200 so it could last 3 days. If each host had a quota that got adjusted to meet a target turn-a-round time all the hosts would get a fair share of WUs and overall there would be far less results in progress. Ideally you would have separate GPU and CPU quotas and turn-a-round times.

It might be possible, or they could already be doing it, to include that into the DCF calculations. Not that DCF isn't already messed up enough as it is.
4212) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (68) Server problems? (Message 1198300)
Posted 21 Feb 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
And the SSP is stuck.
Consequently cricket is slumping.
On the upside only a few hours till we are in maintenance anyway.


SSP???, what the heck is SSP???

Single Shot Pistol? Shoot Sucker Please, Summer Science Program, Statutory Sick Pay, or what???

Enough with acronyms that aren't understandable for everyone, please...

SSP, in Seti@Home, even I don't know that one, for part of My income, sure, but not this.

Server Status Page

(though I prefer Sexy Sister Pistol)


Thanks for the explanation, but who except the insiders could have known that? It could have meant anything. I have been here since 08, and VW Bobier since 03, and none of us had a clue what it was.

Is it really that hard to write out in full "Server status page"?

It must be. As I don't really ever refer to it as that. I either use status page or server status. SSP had me stumped as well.
4213) Message boards : Number crunching : The 400 and 50 WU limits are way too small (Message 1198068)
Posted 21 Feb 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The least I heard the feeder held 100 tasks and refilled once a minute.

I thought it was 100 tasks too, but it has to be faster than once per minute. That would limit the project to 6,000 tasks per hour - we know the regular throughput is far, far higher than that. The feeder refresh interval will be every second or two.

Perhaps I was just remembering "minute" instead of "second". As they say the memory is the 2nd thing to go, but no one can remember the first.

Perhaps a variable "Max allocated tasks" like the "Max tasks per day" thing would be the best solution.
4214) Message boards : Number crunching : She's dead, Jim (Message 1198046)
Posted 20 Feb 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Seems that Hal has opened the pod bay doors........

Fine... I'll put my pants back on..... :/

I have an old HP notebook of about that same vintage as well, or more accurately a Compaq 4020US. Which was the exact same at the HP v4000, but $100 less.
She, in this case named SAL9000, is spending her remaining days crunching 24/7. The battery went belly up a few years ago so she has to stay plugged in to make her go. Also I've got her overclocked from 1.5GHz to a modest 2.375GHz. She often likes to check out the S@H forum & stat pages. Along with a daily dose of KOL.
4215) Message boards : Number crunching : GPU advice please (Message 1198045)
Posted 20 Feb 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
ATI highly recommends not using those adapters. nVidia may not but I'd listen to ATI and just get a decent PSU that has the 6 pin

Why not? I still have some of them in use. My old X1950 even had only one 4pin connected and i played games for years without any problems. Im not saying its 100% safe with a high end card @24/7(dual GPU probably a no go), but my HD4870(150w TDP) worked with two adapters.

If you have a PSU that have several 12v rails it makes it really easy to overload one of them by inadvertently putting everything on one rail.

If anyone would like to know the power specs for the PCIe slots are along the lines of:
PCI Express cards are allowed a maximum power consumption of 25W (×1: 10W for power-up). Low profile cards are limited to 10W (×16 to 25W). PCI Express Graphics (PEG) cards may increase power (from slot) to 75W after configuration (3.3V/3A + 12V/5.5A). Optional connectors add 75W (6-pin) or 150W (8-pin) power for up to 300W total.
4216) Message boards : Number crunching : The 400 and 50 WU limits are way too small (Message 1197933)
Posted 20 Feb 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The idea for a super host has been around for some time: http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/SuperHost.
Most of the time people want to do this for a machine to proxy all of their other hosts through.

I like the limits for the faster turn around time, but dislike them the few times my machines have run out of work. Then going over their their backup project. Which is always when I am trying to do some long term benchmarking to check out configuration changes.


i am too new to have heard this superhost discussion. thx for the info.

take your situation , Hal, you have .... 32 PC ? (unless you didnt merged them ^^). all your 32 PCs are asking 32 times every 5 mins for work.
i dont need to type in here 32x times "Gimme work!". instead of that you would have only 1 asking work, and would get more constancy at each time you ask it.
i hope you dont need to go all the floor and check 32 PC in 32 different room ^^

imagine 1,000 persons like you => 32,000 pc asking for work instead of just 1,000 servers. thats stress.

Is it right when we ask for work, we are downloading them from a Server that has only a buffer of 1000WU only at the time ?
even if on the server page it s written 500,000 WU ready to sent, if that 1000WU buffer server is empty, you get : "sorry, the project has no work available!" ?

I am well aware of how my machines act. That is why I have removed some of them the past few years. So I wouldn't be pounding the servers even more than I am now. I take advantage of those fancy network tools people have made to manage everything. Until we got some new network equipment I did have to get up and walk to the other side of the room to check on a few of the boxes, but now I can do it all without even rolling my chair 2 feet.

It is nice to be able to see all of my machines at once. So I can see how the limits are effecting their queue. My faster ones end up with just a few days work. While the slower boxes hit their queue limit before the task limit.

The least I heard the feeder held 100 tasks and refilled once a minute.
4217) Message boards : Number crunching : ATI/AMD- comparison to nVIDIA- cards (Message 1197928)
Posted 20 Feb 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I am still trying to figure out what my HD6870 will do. At the moment it is between 5,000 and 14,000 credits a day. I've only had it about a month and work had been to wonky to get good numbers :/
4218) Message boards : Number crunching : The 400 and 50 WU limits are way too small (Message 1197722)
Posted 20 Feb 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The idea for a super host has been around for some time: http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/SuperHost.
Most of the time people want to do this for a machine to proxy all of their other hosts through.

I like the limits for the faster turn around time, but dislike them the few times my machines have run out of work. Then going over their their backup project. Which is always when I am trying to do some long term benchmarking to check out configuration changes.
4219) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (68) Server problems? (Message 1197471)
Posted 19 Feb 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

Hmmm......the email I got said something about providing my bank account and password so they could convert their resources to our monetary system and store it in my account. To which I would have complete access to for my own purposes, of course.


Aha! I knew it! The Nigerians are aliens!

With a passport and the correct visa they are "legal aliens" otherwise they would be "illegal aliens". Same goes for extraterrestrial beings. They would need the correct paperwork as well or they could be deported. Although that one might be hard to enforce.
4220) Message boards : Number crunching : Building A Better SETI@Home: Hardware Donations (Message 1197463)
Posted 19 Feb 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Well did anyone look at the specs for that mainframe?

After all with the harware in hand one can always use 'parts' of it in other setups.

CPU's Memory, hard drives etc..

When S@H is having problems getting kit I'd have thougt any going spare could be turned to the projects advantage..

Quite often when dealing with 'obsolete' kit the parts are worth more than the whole:-)

Still it was just an idea, I dont like seeing stuff that cost thousands of tax payers hard erned cash just getting dumped for scrap value. But then it wasnt my hard erned cash:-)
Although I've no doubt the UK Govt has probably scrapped kit worth millions over the last few years.

Regards

Often old government stuff is auctioned off. However it might be 5-10 years before it gets all the paperwork signed off to do so.
I have gone to several government based auctions in the past where you can get really good deals on things if no one else is interested.
4221) Message boards : Number crunching : Price drops on the HD 6670 (Message 1197393)
Posted 19 Feb 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
That is one of the other nice things about the new models coming out. The old ones often get nice discounts.
With rebates I got a HD6870 for $120 last month.
4222) Message boards : Number crunching : What's This About? (Message 1197035)
Posted 18 Feb 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
America wants to know!!!!

Then America is invited to (re-)read message 1112328


America thanks you.

Is that North America or South America?

As we all know the issue is really caused by the e.t.'s messing with you. So you don't find them.
4223) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (68) Server problems? (Message 1196928)
Posted 18 Feb 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The scheduler and upload server are currently disabled. So someone might be in, or remoted in, the lab poking the servers.

Or it could be just a temporary blip. I have often seen the upload server show up as disabled even though things are flowing normally.....it was just taking a bit of a nap when the server status snapshot was taken.

But I hope you are right, and somebody is fiddling with the controls.

EDIT....Both are back online now.

Well poo. It probably was just their automated scripts taking them down for a bit. :(
4224) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (68) Server problems? (Message 1196926)
Posted 18 Feb 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The scheduler and upload server are currently disabled. So someone might be in, or remoted in, the lab poking the servers.
4225) Message boards : Number crunching : Yes Virginia, You Can Run CUDA on a P4 (Message 1196733)
Posted 18 Feb 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
That is very interesting. I would have thought you would have seen a larger slow down being restricted to the bandwidth of a PCI slot. As in the past people had seen a few % slowdown when using PCIe x4 slots with their cards.
Are these standard 32-bit 33MHz PCI slots or one of the faster ones? That run 64-bit 33MHz or 32-bit 66MHz. There were also 64-bit 66MHz slots, but I'm not sure how common those were. Also with these adapters are they using multiple PCI slots to give you a PCIe slot, or just 1?
4226) Message boards : Number crunching : Computer restarts when I try to run more than one CPU WU (Message 1196558)
Posted 18 Feb 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Checking out the memory is always worth a shot in this kind of case.
Though I had a machine that was randomly rebooting. Where it might be 5 minutes or 2 weeks. I ran every test I could think of. Swapped parts around. Moved parts from the other servers just like it between them. This went on for at least a year.
Then after setting up BOINC to run 24/7 the machine stopped randomly rebooting. Then if the machine ran out of work so it was idle it started up again. Completely bonkers!

How long after 2 tasks are running does the reboot occur? You could also try other applications. Like Super Pi or something. I haven't used that in a while. So you might have to run one for each thread you want to heat up.
4227) Message boards : Number crunching : Smartphone crunching (Message 1196398)
Posted 17 Feb 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The grand assumption with smart phones is that suddenly CPU and GPU technology will suddenly stop advancing. That's hardly evident from current CPU types. Sandybridge and Bulldozer alike. GPU's also are advancing faster than ever before. To say that a smartphone is suddenly going to leapfrog over these technologies is silly. I wouldn't want a smartphone and only use my recently purchased laptop for traveling. The recent inundation of tablets and ipads are pretty much a fad. It's new and every status seeker is out to have the latest greatest gadget regardless of how outrageously its priced or how limited its capability. It looks flash so the little child must have that flashy item. Bah


Thank you skildude, Thats the point that I havent been able to get across in my posts.

At the moment smart phones are weed whackers, And they do a good job at what they were designed to do. My desk top is a chain saw and Boinc is the tree. Me I will cut the tree down with a chainsaw not a weed whacker.

In that kind of analogy I would say this:
Mobile Devices=Weed whacker
CPUs=Push mower
GPUs=Riding mower
Work=Half acre lot of grass

Granted no one wants to do that much work with a weed whacker, but if someone wants to spend the time. Then I don't see why they shouldn't. It is their time to spend.
4228) Message boards : Number crunching : SETI@home | Backing off 2 hr 45 min 50 sec on download (Message 1196171)
Posted 17 Feb 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
It looks like I will need to do them both as --get_tasks does not return xfer active:.

189) -----------
name: 04my11ab.27986.21744.14.10.219_1
WU name: 04my11ab.27986.21744.14.10.219
project URL: http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/
report deadline: Thu Mar 22 07:07:08 2012
ready to report: no
got server ack: no
final CPU time: 0.000000
state: 2
scheduler state: 0
exit_status: 0
signal: 0
suspended via GUI: no
active_task_state: 0
app version num: 0
checkpoint CPU time: 0.000000
current CPU time: 0.000000
fraction done: 0.000000
swap size: 0.000000
working set size: 0.000000
estimated CPU time remaining: 3365.796945
supports graphics: no

Like I said I don't think you have to worry about telling BOINC to retry files that are not transferring. That is one of reasons I just went with "dir ??????a?.* /b /OS to get the task names". At first I was doing all of the files but then I would get an error message when I passed app_info.xml or the exes to BOINC for transfer.
4229) Message boards : Number crunching : SETI@home | Backing off 2 hr 45 min 50 sec on download (Message 1196099)
Posted 16 Feb 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
What I have in mind is to use the "Reserved" check box on the SIV [BOINC Status] panel for Auto Retry.
[img ]http://rh-software.com/siv_bon.png[/img]
Looking at the output I get as follows. Is there a way to automatically get the project URL?

1) -----------
name: ap_09jn11ac_B6_P0_00012_20120216_06419.wu
generated locally: no
uploaded: no
upload when present: no
sticky: no
generated locally: no
pers xfer active: yes
xfer active: yes
time_so_far: 1986.045093
bytes_xferred: 6672034.000000
xfer_speed: 17802.299492

You can do boinccmd --file_transfer for completed files. BOINC seems to be smart enough to know it doesn't need to download already completed files. I am guessing that a check to see if the file is complete or an active transfer is done first.

Edit: Oh right my point! You can do --get_tasks, which gives you the project info, instead of --get_file_transfers.
4230) Message boards : Number crunching : Smartphone crunching (Message 1196068)
Posted 16 Feb 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
it should not be to hard to find a speed for it to run at where things don't get to hot.

They generally don't get particularly hot at all while only using the CPU. Most of the phones are actually underclocked from the factory and will easily overclock by 10% without getting any hotter (no core voltage increase required).

Worst case is while charging and crunching at the same time.

Are you able to monitor the CPU temp in your device? Mine doesn't seem to have, or at leas report that it has, a CPU thermal monitor. However, I do get to monitor the battery temp. I expect most of the heat build up that people see is from the battery charging or discharging.

Mine tends to idle at 245.76MHz when not plugged in and 480MHz when it is connected to a half amp USB port. My CPU is set for a max of 600MHz, but in other devices the same CPU it was set for 800MHz. So one of those overclocking apps should easily let me run 800MHz or more. A guy I work with run his nook color at 1.2GHz instead of the stock 800MHz
4231) Message boards : Number crunching : Smartphone crunching (Message 1196053)
Posted 16 Feb 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
put it simple a phone can not crunch you prove me wrong have some one write an app for crunching on any smart phone and show me the rac.


http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/show_host_detail.php?hostid=6383032
It's a HTC Desire (the non-HD version). Too unstable to be useful yet, but hey it's a proof of concept anyways.

Have a look in the BOINC Wiki for more crazy phone stuff...

For those who don't like to read, here's the boiled down version:

  • It is slow, SLOW
  • Heat is not much of an issue (wrt overheating)
  • Battery on a day-to-day basis is not an issue
  • Long term there may be some detrimental effects on battery
  • It is possible to go a factor of around 10 faster than this on the same hardware


Oh good it is already in the works. So when I get a new phone I can root my current phone and get to playing with it.

With the CPU clocking tools out there it should not be to hard to find a speed for it to run at where things don't get to hot.

As I would no longer be using it as my cell phone I would probably take the battery out and just run it off USB power. Since leaving it connected with the battery in would just end up killing the battery anyway.
4232) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (67) Server problems? (Message 1196039)
Posted 16 Feb 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
And it makes me pull my hair out. I think this is the only boinc project I belong to that does it. I ask for new tasks on other projects I get new tasks, a no tasks available or down for maintenance message. But when I request tasks from seti, I get the 'not requesting tasks' message.

I was getting "not requesting tasks" on several of my systems that had 0-2 tasks with 8 cores/threads on the system. Those systems have 2 other projects attached, but have a resource share of 0 to be back up projects. Though one was set to NNT. BOINC was not requesting work for the other projects either.

I figured it was some issue with the 6.12.4x release I was running. So I went back to the 6.12.3x & everything seems to be going along fine again.
4233) Message boards : Number crunching : SETI@home | Backing off 2 hr 45 min 50 sec on download (Message 1196037)
Posted 16 Feb 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
That looks like a complicated script.
Modifying the source and (re)compiling boinc was much easier for me.

Specifically, increasing the value of #define FILE_XFER_FAILURE_LIMIT in client/client_types.h, to prevent project backoffs (default was 3 which is ridiculous).
Also, a slight adjustment in calculate_exponential_backoff() in client/client_state.cpp to cap it to 15 mins max

This might be easier than that script. It is what I have been using for my systems.

One script with a delay for how often I want them to retry. This an 1 hour. Which I is about as low as I think it should be. I do it this way with I have a large number of machines.

_xfer_retry_01hr.bat
@ECHO OFF
Set ctime=0
Set dtime=3600
:start
@ECHO Retrying everyone %time%
start /min _xfer_retry_FooBar001.bat %ctime%
start /min _xfer_retry_FooBar002.bat %ctime%
start /min _xfer_retry_FooBar003.bat %ctime%
timeout %dtime% /nobreak
goto start

As I have a lot of systems. I made it easier on myself by having the things to configure in one spot at the top of the file.
_xfer_retry_FooBar001.bat
@ECHO OFF
set CMDPATH=D:\BOINC
set project=http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/
set password=password
Set hName=FooBar001
Set hadd=%hName%
Set DirPath=\\%hadd%\d$\Boinc\projects\setiathome.berkeley.edu
@ECHO %hName% MB Xfer retry in progress %time%
For /F %%a in ('dir "%DirPath%\??????a?.*" /b /OS') Do %CMDPATH%\boinccmd --host %hadd% --passwd %password% --file_transfer %project% %%a retry
@ECHO %hName% AP Xfer retry in progress %time%
For /F %%a in ('dir "%DirPath%\ap_*.*" /b /OS') Do %CMDPATH%\boinccmd --host %hadd% --passwd %password% --file_transfer %project% %%a retry
@ECHO %hName% Xfer retry complete    %time%
TIMEOUT %1
exit


If you just have 1 system you don't need to worry about several parts of the command and could just put this in your BOINC program folder.
_xfer_retry.bat
@ECHO OFF
set project=http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/
Set DirPath=C:\ProgramData\BOINC\projects\setiathome.berkeley.edu
@ECHO MB Xfer retry in progress %time%
For /F %%a in ('dir "%DirPath%\??????a?.*" /b /OS') Do boinccmd --file_transfer %project% %%a retry
@ECHO AP Xfer retry in progress %time%
For /F %%a in ('dir "%DirPath%\ap_*.*" /b /OS') Do boinccmd--file_transfer %project% %%a retry
@ECHO Xfer retry complete    %time%
TIMEOUT 10


Since the grunt of this is done in a for loop you could probably write this into a small app since you said you preferred something in the C environment.
4234) Message boards : Number crunching : No config file found (Message 1195860)
Posted 16 Feb 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I've been running this for a while now..
<cc_config>
    <options>
        <save_stats_days>3650</save_stats_days>
        <max_file_xfers_per_project>5</max_file_xfers_per_project>
        <max_stdout_file_size>104857600</max_stdout_file_size>
        <max_stderr_file_size>104857600</max_stderr_file_size>
	<ncpus>3</ncpus>
    </options>
</cc_config>


<ncpus> was a recent addition to my cc_config though. After a bit of testing on Bulldozer, it seems to run best when only using half the cores.

Wow 100MB logs!?
4235) Message boards : Number crunching : No config file found (Message 1195822)
Posted 15 Feb 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
It looks like you added everything. Which is fine. If that is what you want. For options that are >0< or >< "blank" you don't have to include them if you do not wish to. So having <app_msg_receive>0</app_msg_receive> is the same as it not being present at all.
The example I shows turned on most of the important logging flags to tell you what is going on under the hood of what BOINC is doing. On most of my machines my file looks like this:
<cc_config>
	<log_flags>
		<task>0</task>
		<file_xfer>0</file_xfer>
		<sched_ops>1</sched_ops>
	</log_flags>
	<options>
		<allow_remote_gui_rpc>1</allow_remote_gui_rpc>
		<save_stats_days>180</save_stats_days>
	</options>
</cc_config>

Your needs or what you wish to see in the event log/messages tab may vary from my needs/wants.
4236) Message boards : Number crunching : No config file found (Message 1195815)
Posted 15 Feb 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I found it.

You mind? :)

As you are running a test version of BOINC you probably want your cc_config.xml to look something like this.
<cc_config>
	<log_flags>
		<task>1</task>
		<file_xfer>1</file_xfer>
		<sched_ops>1</sched_ops>
		<app_msg_receive>1</app_msg_receive>
		<app_msg_send>1</app_msg_send>
		<benchmark_debug>1</benchmark_debug>
		<checkpoint_debug>1</checkpoint_debug>
		<coproc_debug>1</coproc_debug>
		<cpu_sched>1</cpu_sched>
		<cpu_sched_debug>1</cpu_sched_debug>
		<dcf_debug>1</dcf_debug>
		<debt_debug>1</debt_debug>
		<file_xfer_debug>1</file_xfer_debug>
		<http_debug>1</http_debug>
		<http_xfer_debug>1</http_xfer_debug>
		<mem_usage_debug>1</mem_usage_debug>
		<network_status_debug>1</network_status_debug>
		<poll_debug>1</poll_debug>
		<proxy_debug>1</proxy_debug>
		<rr_simulation>1</rr_simulation>
		<sched_op_debug>1</sched_op_debug>
		<scrsave_debug>1</scrsave_debug>
		<state_debug>1</state_debug>
		<statefile_debug>1</statefile_debug>
		<task_debug>1</task_debug>
		<time_debug>1</time_debug>
		<unparsed_xml>1</unparsed_xml>
		<work_fetch_debug>1</work_fetch_debug>
	</log_flags>
	<options>
	</options>
</cc_config>
4237) Message boards : Number crunching : No config file found (Message 1195811)
Posted 15 Feb 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
No config file found - using defaults

How do I fix this?

Add a config file.

Something also tells me you are referring to BOINC 7.x.


Yes I am using BOINC client version 7.0.15 for windows_x86_64
Where do I find a config file and what should it contain?

First you should realize this an not an error message, but if you want to make one the info you need is here: http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Client_configuration

Thanks I will check it out Bonic Tasks by efmer list such file and will let me edit it but I can not find it.

Open notepad.
Type the commands you want.
Save as cc_config.xml making sure to change the "Save as Type:" field to All Files.
It goes in the BOINC data directory with your other .xml files.
4238) Message boards : Number crunching : No config file found (Message 1195800)
Posted 15 Feb 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
No config file found - using defaults

How do I fix this?

Add a config file.

Something also tells me you are referring to BOINC 7.x.


Yes I am using BOINC client version 7.0.15 for windows_x86_64
Where do I find a config file and what should it contain?

First you should realize it's an information message not an error message.
If you want to make one the info you need is here:
http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Client_configuration
4239) Message boards : Number crunching : No config file found (Message 1195795)
Posted 15 Feb 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
No config file found - using defaults

How do I fix this?

Add a config file.

Something also tells me you are referring to BOINC 7.x.
4240) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (67) Server problems? (Message 1195643)
Posted 15 Feb 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Wow, it was an enormous amount of work available and now downloading here. I have never in my years here experienced such amount of easy to get work. Download speed is well over 500K.

Ooops, it was just a dream......

LOL


everybody are getting ton of works back and my PC always get a 0 tasks none available /cry
cant find the hole :(

Ooops, it was just a nightmare......


HAHA

but, out of joking, when servers will be back , it will certainly be a nightmare

Boxing Day - hey dont push !



Oh yeah, when the servers comes back, there will be hell for them. All finished work must be uploaded, and thousands upon thousands of computers will try to get new work, at the same time.

Prediction: The uptime before next outage will not be long...

It may take a week, or more before everything is stable again.

Optimist!
4241) Message boards : Number crunching : Finally! GPU wars 2012 - GTX 650 Ti reviews (Message 1195641)
Posted 15 Feb 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Two affordable GCN cards today:

AMD Radeon HD 7750 & Radeon HD 7770 GHz Edition Review: Evading The Price/Performance Curve

AMD Radeon HD 7770 GHz Edition 1 GB

AMD Radeon HD 7770 And 7750 Review: Familiar Speed, Less Power

And BSN claim to know the...

Real NVIDIA Kepler, GK104, GeForce GTX "670/680" Specs (Leak)

Those are good comparisons. I favor the anandtech review as it includes the 5750 that I have in my HTPC. From those tests I would say I could upgrade to a 7770 to have lower power usage, less noise, and more grunt.
I also like that the charts had the 4870 and 6870 as I just upgraded my other machine from the 4800 to the 6800.
4242) Message boards : Number crunching : No Usable GPUs :-( (Message 1195607)
Posted 15 Feb 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Here are the results.
StartServiceCtrlDispatcher being called.
This may take several seconds.  Please wait.
15-Feb-2012 10:29:22 [---] Starting BOINC client version 6.12.34 for windows_intelx86
15-Feb-2012 10:29:22 [---] log flags: file_xfer, sched_ops, task
15-Feb-2012 10:29:22 [---] Libraries: libcurl/7.21.6 OpenSSL/1.0.0d zlib/1.2.5
15-Feb-2012 10:29:22 [---] Running as a daemon
15-Feb-2012 10:29:22 [---] Data directory: C:\ProgramData\BOINC
15-Feb-2012 10:29:22 [---] Running under account boinc_master
15-Feb-2012 10:29:22 [---] Processor: 8 GenuineIntel Intel(R) Core(TM) i7 CPU         860  @ 2.80GHz [Family 6 Model 30 Stepping 5]
15-Feb-2012 10:29:22 [---] Processor: 256.00 KB cache
15-Feb-2012 10:29:22 [---] Processor features: <removed to save space in thread post>
15-Feb-2012 10:29:22 [---] OS: Microsoft Windows Vista: Ultimate x86 Edition, Service Pack 2, (06.00.6002.00)
15-Feb-2012 10:29:22 [---] Memory: 3.49 GB physical, 7.16 GB virtual
15-Feb-2012 10:29:22 [---] Disk: 40.00 GB total, 28.18 GB free
15-Feb-2012 10:29:22 [---] Local time is UTC -5 hours
15-Feb-2012 10:29:22 [---] No usable GPUs found
15-Feb-2012 10:29:22 [---] No general preferences found - using BOINC defaults
15-Feb-2012 10:29:22 [---] Preferences:
15-Feb-2012 10:29:22 [---]    max memory usage when active: 1786.75MB
15-Feb-2012 10:29:22 [---]    max memory usage when idle: 3216.16MB
15-Feb-2012 10:29:22 [---]    max disk usage: 10.00GB
15-Feb-2012 10:29:22 [---]    don't use GPU while active
15-Feb-2012 10:29:22 [---]    suspend work if non-BOINC CPU load exceeds 25 %
15-Feb-2012 10:29:22 [---]    (to change preferences, visit the web site of an attached project, or select Preferences in the Manager)
15-Feb-2012 10:29:22 [---] Not using a proxy
15-Feb-2012 10:29:22 [---] This computer is not attached to any projects
15-Feb-2012 10:29:22 [---] Visit http://boinc.berkeley.edu for instructions
15-Feb-2012 10:30:06 [---] Exit requested by user
15-Feb-2012 10:30:36 [---] No config file found - using defaults
15-Feb-2012 10:30:36 [---] Starting BOINC client version 7.0.8 for windows_intelx86
15-Feb-2012 10:30:36 [---] log flags: file_xfer, sched_ops, task
15-Feb-2012 10:30:36 [---] Libraries: libcurl/7.21.6 OpenSSL/1.0.0d zlib/1.2.5
15-Feb-2012 10:30:36 [---] Data directory: C:\ProgramData\BOINC
15-Feb-2012 10:30:36 [---] Running under account AdminTestMonkey
15-Feb-2012 10:30:36 [---] Processor: 8 GenuineIntel Intel(R) Core(TM) i7 CPU         860  @ 2.80GHz [Family 6 Model 30 Stepping 5]
15-Feb-2012 10:30:36 [---] Processor: 256.00 KB cache
15-Feb-2012 10:30:36 [---] Processor features: <removed to save space in thread post>
15-Feb-2012 10:30:36 [---] OS: Microsoft Windows Vista: Ultimate x86 Edition, Service Pack 2, (06.00.6002.00)
15-Feb-2012 10:30:36 [---] Memory: 3.49 GB physical, 7.16 GB virtual
15-Feb-2012 10:30:36 [---] Disk: 40.00 GB total, 28.14 GB free
15-Feb-2012 10:30:36 [---] Local time is UTC -5 hours
15-Feb-2012 10:30:36 [---] ATI GPU 0: ATI Radeon HD 2300/2400/3200 (RV610) (CAL version 1.4.635, 256MB, 224MB available, 96 GFLOPS peak)
15-Feb-2012 10:30:36 [---] Version change (6.12.34 -> 7.0.8)
15-Feb-2012 10:30:36 [---] No general preferences found - using defaults
15-Feb-2012 10:30:36 [---] Preferences:
15-Feb-2012 10:30:36 [---]    max memory usage when active: 1786.75MB
15-Feb-2012 10:30:36 [---]    max memory usage when idle: 3216.16MB
15-Feb-2012 10:30:36 [---]    max disk usage: 10.00GB
15-Feb-2012 10:30:36 [---]    don't use GPU while active
15-Feb-2012 10:30:36 [---]    suspend work if non-BOINC CPU load exceeds 25 %
15-Feb-2012 10:30:36 [---]    (to change preferences, visit the web site of an attached project, or select Preferences in the Manager)
15-Feb-2012 10:30:36 [---] Not using a proxy
15-Feb-2012 10:30:36 [---] This computer is not attached to any projects
15-Feb-2012 10:30:36 [---] Visit http://boinc.berkeley.edu for instructions
Initialization completed
15-Feb-2012 10:30:36 [---] Running CPU benchmarks
15-Feb-2012 10:30:36 [---] Suspending computation - CPU benchmarks in progress
15-Feb-2012 10:31:08 [---] Benchmark results:
15-Feb-2012 10:31:08 [---]    Number of CPUs: 8
15-Feb-2012 10:31:08 [---]    2670 floating point MIPS (Whetstone) per CPU
15-Feb-2012 10:31:08 [---]    6314 integer MIPS (Dhrystone) per CPU
15-Feb-2012 10:31:47 [---] Exit requested by user
4243) Message boards : Number crunching : No Usable GPUs :-( (Message 1195605)
Posted 15 Feb 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
This is the result of a clean Vista x86 OS with a 7.0.8 installation.
Installer defaults were used.
User has admin rights.

2/15/2012 9:21:29 AM |  | No config file found - using defaults
2/15/2012 9:21:29 AM |  | Starting BOINC client version 7.0.8 for windows_intelx86
2/15/2012 9:21:29 AM |  | log flags: file_xfer, sched_ops, task
2/15/2012 9:21:29 AM |  | Libraries: libcurl/7.21.6 OpenSSL/1.0.0d zlib/1.2.5
2/15/2012 9:21:29 AM |  | Data directory: C:\ProgramData\BOINC
2/15/2012 9:21:29 AM |  | Running under account AdminTestMonkey
2/15/2012 9:21:29 AM |  | Processor: 8 GenuineIntel Intel(R) Core(TM) i7 CPU         860  @ 2.80GHz [Family 6 Model 30 Stepping 5]
2/15/2012 9:21:29 AM |  | Processor: 256.00 KB cache
2/15/2012 9:21:29 AM |  | Processor features: <removed to save space in thread post>
2/15/2012 9:21:29 AM |  | OS: Microsoft Windows Vista: Ultimate x86 Edition, Service Pack 2, (06.00.6002.00)
2/15/2012 9:21:29 AM |  | Memory: 3.49 GB physical, 7.16 GB virtual
2/15/2012 9:21:29 AM |  | Disk: 40.00 GB total, 28.16 GB free
2/15/2012 9:21:29 AM |  | Local time is UTC -5 hours
2/15/2012 9:21:29 AM |  | ATI GPU 0: ATI Radeon HD 2300/2400/3200 (RV610) (CAL version 1.4.635, 256MB, 224MB available, 96 GFLOPS peak)
2/15/2012 9:21:29 AM |  | No general preferences found - using defaults
2/15/2012 9:21:29 AM |  | Preferences:
2/15/2012 9:21:29 AM |  | max memory usage when active: 1786.75MB
2/15/2012 9:21:29 AM |  | max memory usage when idle: 3216.16MB
2/15/2012 9:21:29 AM |  | max disk usage: 10.00GB
2/15/2012 9:21:29 AM |  | don't use GPU while active
2/15/2012 9:21:29 AM |  | suspend work if non-BOINC CPU load exceeds 25 %
2/15/2012 9:21:29 AM |  | (to change preferences, visit the web site of an attached project, or select Preferences in the Manager)
2/15/2012 9:21:29 AM |  | Not using a proxy
2/15/2012 9:21:29 AM |  | This computer is not attached to any projects
2/15/2012 9:21:29 AM |  | Visit http://boinc.berkeley.edu for instructions


Results for 6.12.34 were the same for protected environment being enabled by default form the installer.

The only time I got the protected environment to be enabled was when I specifically enabled it.

I'll give the protected install with a non protected upgraded over it next and see what I get.
4244) Message boards : Number crunching : Uli? (Message 1195590)
Posted 15 Feb 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
We'd better be careful - Uli has been spotted in Beets, so she may be headed this was soon...

Well as long as no one We know is on the warpath...

In which case the word is: DUCK!

You said that and the first thing I thought was the bandwidth graph...
4245) Message boards : Number crunching : No Usable GPUs :-( (Message 1195589)
Posted 15 Feb 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
While some people may wish to delete all traces of BOINC from a computer, I'd be very wary about running a script like this which makes in-depth changes to the registry. In particular, as HAL9000 says, the SIDs (security identifiers) and GUIDs may well be specific to your particular installation or a particular version of BOINC: the script will not, in general, be transferrable from machine to machine.

For info, after an uninstall/reboot sequence, it seems that the "Protected Environment" flag is not set as reqested on a reinstall.

I'm very, very surprised to read that. If it's reproducible, we ought to add it to the (long) list of installer bugs - mostly minor - which have been left unfixed for several years pending a change to a new installer technology.

Which installers would you want to check on which OS's?

I do software testing for a living and work in a test lab. I can bang that out in a few minutes on I have the required info.

Based on Gary's first post I'll do a check on 6.12.34 & 7.0.8 in Vista x86 as an admin and as a user seeing which options are enabled be default.
4246) Message boards : Number crunching : No Usable GPUs :-( (Message 1195511)
Posted 15 Feb 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thanks HAL9000.

You're right about the "[HKEY_USERS\S-1-5-21-665444077-4163407299-2259009300-1012\" section. I don't have time to experiment right now, but I was wondering if deleting all the registry entries was necessary for clearing the settings from the original installation. It's probable that the .reg file can be simplified.

>> you can use %cd% to get the current directory

DOS batch files (on Vista and Win7 exhibit different behaviour WRT %cd% if you run them as an admin user, compared to non-admin accounts.

For example: put the following into a batch file (e.g. mydir.bat).

echo cd = %cd%
echo dp0 = %~dp0
pause

Run it as a non-admin user and you get the script's directory as you'd expect. However: when you right-click and "run as administrator", "%cd% gives you something different (c:/windows/system32 in my case). Whereas %~dp0 gives the script's directory.

If you want more wierdness, then copy the script to a mapped network drive and "run as administrator". The script doesn't run for me like this :-(

Gary.


It is always good to gut out everything when starting over. Hey it can't hurt since the software is getting reinstalled right. Having the info for others is also nice when someone asks how to do it in the future.

I don't have a Vista machine around as I am at home at the moment but my Windows 7 boxes using %cd% gives me the same response as %~dp0 no matter who I run it as. Only if I run it from another folder like doing c:\>D:\test.bat would I get a different response. Where %cd% would give C:\ and %~dp0 will give D:\. That is why I was saying it could be used, but the other command is more correct since it is actually "get bat file location" instead of "get current location". Sorry about that.

From a remote location I don't have any issues. I just have to click the box for the "are you sure you want to run things from here" prompt. If it is a mapped drive I get the same response for both commands, but from a network share, \\machine\d$\, I get the windows directory for %cd% as that is where it gets run due to "CMD.EXE was started with the above path as the current directory. UNC paths are not supported. Defaulting to Windows directory.".

All of these years and DOS commands are still a pain in the butt! lol

4247) Message boards : Number crunching : Floppy Shredding (Message 1195483)
Posted 15 Feb 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I'll see your 8 froppies and raise you 5 playing derezzed from TRON.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1plg_yYsCQM

Are they actually crunching some data or just the heads. I'm not sure all I know is that I like it.
4248) Message boards : Number crunching : Uli? (Message 1195450)
Posted 15 Feb 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Back when I was in school, some of the students would have a problem with that...


And quite a few here too :-))

skirts(and kilts) must reach as low as your fingertips if you stand straight up with your hands straight down at your sides. The school applies this standard to girls


About 3-4" above the knee? I would suggest knee length is more appropriate at School. After that well up to them .....

My schools in Oklahoma had a rule that girls skirts had to be 1" below the fingertips or a dollar bill above the knee. Whichever was longer. There were no rules for guys though.

I don't suppose you had too many guys wearing skirts in Oklahoma.

More than you might think, but generally not at schools... generally.
4249) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (67) Server problems? (Message 1195448)
Posted 15 Feb 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The preferences page definitely still works even with an app_info in place.

Indeed they do. At least most of the time in my case. If it occurred often for me I would run a trace to see if the issue was on my end somehow. I see it with the same rate on my home and work machines. So I am guessing it is something server or network related. Perhaps my request packet dropped some info or the server was so busy it ignored that part of the request. As I don't run other projects as much I'm not sure if they have similar issues.
4250) Message boards : Number crunching : Smartphone crunching (Message 1195367)
Posted 15 Feb 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Another 50,000,000 users plugging the 100Mb
communication line.
Simply leg wetting in my enthusiasm for
such a development.

And with 3G/4G speeds on par with what you get from basic cable/fiber connections defiantly a good idea.
It isn't really the users. It is the devices per user. One of the reasons I have shutdown a few of the older boxes of the the past year. So I would lessen my burden on the connection.



All those additional bits (phone/tablet devices) would have to get to Berkeley first. Adding that many devices, even over a couple of years, would likely plug up the SF/Bay area. The resulting capacity issues would effect everyone.

On the news last night, AT&T is again looking for ways to reduce or limit the data demands of its "unlimited data" account holders.

Network capacity upgrades are not cheap or easy. And they don't happen fast!

Lt

Yeah network upgrades are never cheap. We just dropped several thousand upgrading two of our labs with GigabitEthernet. We hope to get our A/B/G wires upgraded to an A/B/G/N unit next half.

As a T-Mobile customer I am glad the AT&T merger didn't happen. As I have actual unlimited network. However the new plans that are "unlimited" have limited high speed data. Then after the amount you are paying for you get a slower speed, but it is an unlimited amount. Since I normally use <50mb a month I used about 12GB last month to see if they would say anything.
4251) Message boards : Number crunching : No Usable GPUs :-( (Message 1195365)
Posted 15 Feb 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
For info, after an uninstall/reboot sequence, it seems that the "Protected Environment" flag is not set as reqested on a reinstall.

I followed the instructions at http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Uninstalling_BOINC then reinstalled and that allowed me to alter the PE flag.

For convenience, I've wrapped up the commands on the above URL into a batch file which works on Vista. Feel free to use/edit/whatever, and please copy any improvements back to me.

http://vr3.tees.ac.uk/gary/seti/boincRemove.bat
http://vr3.tees.ac.uk/gary/seti/boincRemove.reg

Claggy - thanks for your help with tracking this down.

Gary.

For the "[HKEY_USERS\S-1-5-21-665444077-4163407299-2259009300-1012\" section users will need to updates that with their info.

Also for your .bat you can use %cd% to get the current directory instead of %~dp0, but it wouldn't really be needed if the files are in the same folder.
4252) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (67) Server problems? (Message 1195361)
Posted 15 Feb 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
bla, bla bla no cuda units LOL.
I got an astropulse wu for some strange reason and am happy to do it even though this Sempron is kinda slow at it and the old ATI x1550 I have in the this box does not do cuda, strange thing is that my preference settings are
SETI@home Enhanced: yes
Astropulse v5: no
Astropulse v505:
if no work for selected applications is available, accept work from other applications? no
I still got an astropulse unit

Interesting. I just noticed on my Sempron machine that it, too, has:

yes, no, no, no for the preferences and still got an AP. Though it could have been prevented if I had removed AP from the app_info months ago when I switched that machine to MB-only. I just went ahead and suspended network for that machine though. Partly because of the overnight downtime, and partly because I also did NNT on it so that I can fix the app_info once all the completed tasks are reported.

Yeah, I think there is a bug in the work request code somewhere. So somehow the tasks slip though if you have an app for them.

I see in my logs sometime that I don't have an app in my app_info.xml for "random app that I don't have allowed on for that venue". As most of my machine are CPU MB only the message is normally "Message from server: Your app_info.xml file doesn't have a usable version of Astropulse v505."
4253) Message boards : Number crunching : The dreaded limits, and lack of AP's (Message 1195359)
Posted 15 Feb 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
2012-02-14 13:42:22 | SETI@home | update requested by user
2012-02-14 13:42:26 | SETI@home | Sending scheduler request: Requested by user.
2012-02-14 13:42:26 | SETI@home | Requesting new tasks for ATI
2012-02-14 13:42:29 | SETI@home | Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks
2012-02-14 13:42:29 | SETI@home | Project has no tasks available

They don't seem to be made for ATI :(

I got me 2 from SETI Beta today though :)

You are right none of the task are made for ATI. Nor are they made for NVIDIA CPUs, or anything else. Tasks are simply generated and sent to whichever application asks for them at the time.
As the feeder only holds 100 tasks at a time with a delayed refill interval "Project has no tasks available" is expected when there are 250,000 computers constantly requesting work.


I guess 100 tasks at a time is to prevent bandwith overload.

I just got me 2ap tasks and they dl at amazing 400kb/sec which is alot better then the usual below 25kb/sec I am use too.

I think the original issue was that if the feeder loaded to fast the constant storage access would slow everything else in the back in down a lot.
4254) Message boards : Number crunching : Uli? (Message 1195357)
Posted 15 Feb 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Back when I was in school, some of the students would have a problem with that...


And quite a few here too :-))

skirts(and kilts) must reach as low as your fingertips if you stand straight up with your hands straight down at your sides. The school applies this standard to girls


About 3-4" above the knee? I would suggest knee length is more appropriate at School. After that well up to them .....

My schools in Oklahoma had a rule that girls skirts had to be 1" below the fingertips or a dollar bill above the knee. Whichever was longer. There were no rules for guys though.
4255) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (67) Server problems? (Message 1195263)
Posted 14 Feb 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I see in the logs of my machine I was unable to report or request work for about 80 minutes. <sarcasm>That is only 94.4% up time in the past 24 hours. Which kind of Micky mouse operation is this!</sarcasm>

Do we know if there are still issues ongoing with the line upstream from PAIX, or find out what the issue was?
4256) Message boards : Number crunching : The dreaded limits, and lack of AP's (Message 1195257)
Posted 14 Feb 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
2012-02-14 13:42:22 | SETI@home | update requested by user
2012-02-14 13:42:26 | SETI@home | Sending scheduler request: Requested by user.
2012-02-14 13:42:26 | SETI@home | Requesting new tasks for ATI
2012-02-14 13:42:29 | SETI@home | Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks
2012-02-14 13:42:29 | SETI@home | Project has no tasks available

They don't seem to be made for ATI :(

I got me 2 from SETI Beta today though :)

You are right none of the task are made for ATI. Nor are they made for NVIDIA CPUs, or anything else. Tasks are simply generated and sent to whichever application asks for them at the time.
As the feeder only holds 100 tasks at a time with a delayed refill interval "Project has no tasks available" is expected when there are 250,000 computers constantly requesting work.
4257) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (67) Server problems? (Message 1195127)
Posted 14 Feb 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
no way should the outbound be maxed! the uber mousetrap is broken!

Given the option between maxed out or flat. I'll take maxed out.
4258) Message boards : Number crunching : Smartphone crunching (Message 1195124)
Posted 14 Feb 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Another 50,000,000 users plugging the 100Mb
communication line.
Simply leg wetting in my enthusiasm for
such a development.

And with 3G/4G speeds on par with what you get from basic cable/fiber connections defiantly a good idea.
It isn't really the users. It is the devices per user. One of the reasons I have shutdown a few of the older boxes of the the past year. So I would lessen my burden on the connection.
4259) Message boards : Number crunching : Smartphone crunching (Message 1194949)
Posted 13 Feb 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Windows Ultimate, for example, which I do in fact have myself, comes in both 32-bits and 64-bits versions.


"Windows Ultimate" is not a version of Windows. You're either talking about Windows 7 Ultimate or Windows Vista Ultimate, both of which are simply variations upon Windows 7 or Windows Vista with various features turned on that are unnecessary for the average user. It's mostly just a combination of the "home" stuff like Media Center and the "business" stuff like the ability to attach to a domain controller.
...

I also don't really see what this has to do with BOINC on smartphones. Back on topic:


Android, Apple iOS, & WebOS are *nix based OS's so this is very true. While there are 64-bit ARM processors I'm not sure how many of the current base are such.

[quote]What current nanotechnology advancing today will enable current batteries run 10 times more length than todays usual expectations in a few years. I hope people here read some tech news.


I do - batteries have ALWAYS been promised to have 10 times the capacity in a few years. Strangely enough, these amazing batteries never show up and revolutionize everything... because they've always been slowly improving. Fashion and practicality dictates that our batteries get smaller and lighter too. If you made the Macbook Air weigh as much as a laptop from 1995 you'd get 50 hours on a charge!

What I'm saying is batteries will continue to be as small and light as you can get away with in order to make the device more portable as opposed to a better calculation device. Why carry a brick around in your pocket when you've got a 30 lb desktop PC sitting at home with an infinite power reserve to do your math for you?

I think they might be giving us batteries with 10 times the capacity, but it doesn't matter when the new device they go in gobbles up 1500 times more power.
4260) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (67) Server problems? (Message 1194945)
Posted 13 Feb 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Mine are running about 85% full of their limit on the faster machine and the slower ones and full up. Though I have only got about 120 new tasks so far today, across 30 boxes. Since I return about 1200 a day I see empty machines in my future.
"If I can't get a steady flow of work within the next 15-25 years, I will stop participating in this exercise." -Sten-Arne
4261) Message boards : Number crunching : Memory Upgrade (Message 1194941)
Posted 13 Feb 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Anything over 1333 can only be done by over clock. You will see a benefit, but it won't run at 1600 MHz right out of the box. There is tweaking, BSOD's, and re-tweaking before everything can settle in.

Steve

Edit: Make sure your mother board can handle it first.

From what I've read of P67, Z68 & LGA2011, all 3 can use 1600 memory with no OC, Where as X58 and P55 can only do 1600 with an OC, Me I run 16GB of G.Skill Ripjaws X 1333 @ 1500MHz 24/7 @ 1.55v dc and I plan to get another 16Gb of this memory soon enough for My next PC.

I am pretty sure you are right on the money there. About only the newest stuff having "official" support for 1600. My P55 board claims DDR3 2600+/2200/1600/1333/1066/800 support & I use the 1600 XMP setting, but I do have to select it in the BIOS. It doesn't get selected for me in any way. For me it seems like win win as I go from 1333 9-9-9 to 1600 8-8-8.
I haven't seem the memory makers list the values for their XMP setting on the web anyway though.
4262) Message boards : Number crunching : Smartphone crunching (Message 1194858)
Posted 13 Feb 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I've often thought about talking into a aquarium bound smartphone that has a power mat taped to the bottom. Heck those goldfish ladden Platform shoes will look like yesterday's news with this on your ear



LMAO. I can see a guy now with his GREEN phone BOINC mega cruncher up to his ear, But the fishtank water cooler is the size of those old timey boom boxes.

Thanks for the big laugh skildude:)

Actually it looks like we won't need waterproof baggies for them.
http://www.smartkeitai.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/fujitsu-waterproof-Arrows-tablet-and-smartphones-600x329.jpg
4263) Message boards : Number crunching : 4 machines unable to pull new work since yesterday (Message 1194801)
Posted 13 Feb 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Most of my machines are at or near their limit on tasks. With the CPU/GPU limits in place most of the requests for work are:
SETI@home Requesting new tasks for CPU
SETI@home Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks
SETI@home Project has no tasks available
or
SETI@home Requesting new tasks for CPU and NVIDIA GPU
SETI@home Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks
SETI@home No tasks sent
SETI@home This computer has reached a limit on tasks in progress
4264) Message boards : Number crunching : Smartphone crunching (Message 1194798)
Posted 13 Feb 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I wonder how you would water cool a telephone...... :D

Steve

The cooling websites will soon be marketing a new line of watercooling baggies, with sealing grommets for cable entry. Then just drop 'er in your fish tank.

You know I was just thinking. What do we need cables for when you could just use a power mat. Vacuum seal the phones, so you can still use the touchscreen. Then drop them in the pool with a power mat under the tank.
4265) Message boards : Number crunching : Selling Acer Aspire 6920G (Message 1194797)
Posted 13 Feb 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
One things I have always found is that computer things devalue very quickly. The 1.5 Pentium M notebook I had bought new for about $1100 was selling 4-5 years later for $100-150 on ebay and refurbished sites. Often with better specs than the one I had.
I recently dragged it out and began playing around with overclocking it. Since it has more value to be to play around with than anyone will give me for it.

Looking at the Acer online store. I see the are selling a C2D machine for €399 with lower specs than yours. So that might help you come up with a price.
I wish you well in your endeavor to recoup some of what you paid for it. It will be worth a lot more to you than someone else is willing to pay for it most likely.
4266) Message boards : Number crunching : NVIDIA ION crunching (Message 1194790)
Posted 13 Feb 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Ich bin seeeeehr dumm!:D

So, for over a year I had the CPU@80% just so my laptop would be more responsive, but instead I ended up crippling it...

I wouldn't use the word "dumm", even some server admins were supprised that a new server is slower than the old one when performing simple tasks under low load although, according to the specifications, it should be a lot faster. Energy saving isn't only good, it has downsides as well.

For a long time I was effectively disabling all power saving features on my machines since I found the throttling of the CPU did make things agonizingly slower.
However, I have found a use for the windows power profiles these days. On servers I have at work that can't run BOINC for various reasons I use a minimum processor state setting of 100% during "work hours" and then 0-50% for "non-work hours". With scheduled tasks to switch power profiles based on the time.
I do a similar thing on my notebook. One for when it is only running BOINC. So the monitor shuts off in 1 min & the drive spins down in 5. Then one for when I am watching movies. There I have the profiles changed with .bat files that I have on my task bar.
So I still think power saving features are annoying except when they are not. :)
4267) Message boards : Number crunching : Memory Upgrade (Message 1194786)
Posted 13 Feb 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Depending on what else the machine is doing it doesn't seem like you need to to me.
If you find a good deal on memory and you want to then I wouldn't say "No! Don't do it!".
With the Server 2008/Vista and newer OS's the like to use all the memory they can for things. So with say 6GB you might be at 75% usage, but that would still be more free RAM. My 2008 R2 box with 24GB used about 5.5GB on startup just to sit there before things get going.
4268) Message boards : Number crunching : Any way to limit VLAR tasks on a slow cpu ? (Message 1194782)
Posted 13 Feb 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have noticed that when a multicore machine has a VLAR task running on all cores of the CPU it does tend to bog things down a bit. To the point I have snoozed BOINC if I actually needed to do something on the box. This is most noticeable on my dual Xeon with 24 task running.

IIRC it is because VLAR tasks make more use of the memory bus or something along those lines. If that is the case it might be a good idea for the BOINC guys to add something like a "memory load" value that tasks can be flagged with. Then a value could be set in the app which would limit how many of such tasks ran at once. The mechanics would have to be decided on. As the tasks, at least in this project, are being inspected and flagged as VLARs. It may not be that much more for the server to do during task generation.
4269) Message boards : Number crunching : Smartphone crunching (Message 1194777)
Posted 13 Feb 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
for starters we have no idea how fast a smart phone can compute a WU let alone the power it would use. You assume it would be better. I assume someone intends to keep his phone on a leash to prove differently. Unless you intend to hook a car battery up to your phone then you are basically not going to be using that phone for much else.

That is the plan I have for my current phone when it becomes my old phone. Just leave the USB cable plugged into it so it can constantly have the power to do what I tell it to.

I think trying to process work while the phone is on batteries wouldn't be a good idea at all. That would probably drain a battery in less than an hour.
4270) Message boards : Number crunching : Smartphone crunching (Message 1193070)
Posted 10 Feb 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Currently at least half billion people have mini crunchers out there wasting it on few games (plus HD games) and watching boring videos. Out of that I'd say 5% of them or 25 million might consider running scientific project on their phones where it can be connected to the power line. Even at current phase of 10 million (or 2%) smartphones each crunch 1 wu for 3-4 days that is still 10 million wu's done in 3 days so would that equal to some 10s thousands of desktop productivity rate?!

I don't foresee people spending lots of money to buy loads of phones for crunching. Being able to use older hardware you have sitting around always seems like a good idea.
However with those super cheap tablets they might be viable as a crunching stack. A lot of those super cheaper ones have shoddy screen. but normally the same processor guts the better ones do. So if you got 2000 RAC for 2.5-5w the performance per watt would be pretty good.
4271) Message boards : Number crunching : Smartphone crunching (Message 1192838)
Posted 9 Feb 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
According to this statement the upcoming Stark cpu by nvidia will be 20x of Tegra2 or core2duo-7200 which means in 2-3 years smartphones will be serious competition to laptops in muscle counts.




Smart phones will never be as powerful as desktops. Never ever. As Ianab states. Take 3d gaming, I dont think anyone will trade in a desktop to play on a smart phone. Or do CAD CAM on one either.

Some day a smart phone will think its a I7 quad core, But Intel will have a 8core or 12 core out. And throw in some Nvida GPU's that your smart phone will never have.

Like I said at the start of your thread, As long as they make desktops a smart phone will never be as powerful.


They don't have to be as powerful or replace a desktop. Notebooks and netbooks have proven that I think. They just have to have enough grunt to do what you need.
4272) Message boards : Number crunching : Test, 6.09 -> x41g, 190.38 -> 285.58 (Message 1192836)
Posted 9 Feb 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Good info. Looks like new driver = no good.

I would agree with Claggy about the newer app. The older one might be a few % faster. However the newer app will probably have more work done correctly and probably = higher RAC.
4273) Message boards : Number crunching : ssse3x to sse3 (Message 1192808)
Posted 9 Feb 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The manual way would involve placing the exe in the setiathome.berkeley.edu folder. Then editing your app_info.xml and client_state.xml to replace all instances of the SSSE3x app name with the SSE3. It isn't to tricky but I have more than once forgotten one of the steps and trashed the cache on a machine. Luckily either backing up the folder before or resends saved me.

Rerunning the installer = must safer.
4274) Message boards : Number crunching : Smartphone crunching (Message 1192700)
Posted 9 Feb 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Let's not forget Nvidia claims Tegra 3 to have roughly mobile Core 2 Duo performance. Not i7 performance but definitely significant.

[img ]http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/664/benchnvidia.png[/img]

It just so happens I have a T7200 Core 2 Duo in my MODT box. It is good for around 2,000 RAC on average.

I see tablets probably being the first devices to really get BOINC going. Since the OS's, and hardware, are often the same between the phones and tablets it shouldn't be any trouble to to get it going on a phone.

With Android and iOS just being *nix derivatives I am guessing it is just a matter of getting a compiler for the ARM hardware.
4275) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (66) Server problems? (Message 1192632)
Posted 8 Feb 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Why not 6.12.34 rather than 6.12.33?

Is something broken in this one as well?

No I just never downloaded it. So I didn't have all of the files handy.
As I have a large number of computers. I don't run the installer on them. I just run the files in a folder. Which does make it easy for my to deploy. I run a .bat to have them all quit BOINC, copy the files over the network, and then reboot the boxen. So I get 30ish machines done in about 2 minutes.
4276) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (66) Server problems? (Message 1192624)
Posted 8 Feb 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Sounds like I'm doing better than some - got about 5 hours work left - then err, well...

One thing I have noticed is that when I get work, it flies down the tube at break-neck speed. By the time I realise work is coming down, its arrived.

That's that I've got as well. Once a machine gets an opening it will get 1 or 2 at 300+ and then might not be able to get another one for 5-10 hours depending on how lucky it is.

I also found an issue with the BOINC 6.12.43 I was using. In that it went bonkers and was not requesting work with 0 tasks on the machine. So I dumped most of my boxes today and went back to 6.12.33.
4277) Message boards : Number crunching : WU types (Message 1192553)
Posted 8 Feb 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The kitties only know two types of WUs......those they have crunched, and those they have yet to crunch.

What about WUs that are being crunched?
4278) Message boards : Number crunching : Smartphone crunching (Message 1192536)
Posted 8 Feb 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
With people getting new phones every year, or every other year. There will be plenty of older phones that no ones wants to use as phones. So having 10 or 20 connected to USB cables for power and then dunked in a tank of mineral oil, to keep them cool, is perfectly feasible.

The real question is how much grunt do these ARM chips actually have. Is a dual core 1GHz chip worth the power it takes to run it?

My current phone is mono-core 600MHz guy. So when I get a new one later this year or next year I'll have it to mess around with.
4279) Message boards : Number crunching : WU types (Message 1192529)
Posted 8 Feb 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I found this

Notice that the angle range of this wu is 0.65xxx so it would be considered a "high" angle range when compared to a "normal" AR of 0.41/0.42 Also note that this wu would take about 1/3 less time to crunch than a "normal" AR unit.

http://www.boinc-wiki.info/SETI@Home_Enhanced_FAQ#How_do_I_find_what_the_Angle_Range_of_a_work_unit_is.3F

So a normal is 0.41-0.42
So a vhar is above 0.42
So a vlar is below 0.41


But this wu is <true_angle_range>0.17057585438786</true_angle_range> would be a vlar but it is not marked as vlar so I guess that is not a true and fast rule observed so if had got sent to an nv card it would have problems.

IIRC the servers use 0.13 at the threshold the flag tasks as VLAR. The range for normal is much broader than .41 or .42. I think 0.42 was the desired AR for the classic S@H and kind of the center road. If you have seen the charts that have been made by various people where they plot time and AR you can get a good sense of where the VHAR and VLAR ranges are. Often the graph looks like a sideways S that is flattened out in the middle.

Edit: Here is one of the graphs Raistmer did. Not quite a flattened S like I was thinking, but shows where many AR tasks fall.
http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/4914/mbtasks.png
4280) Message boards : Number crunching : WU types (Message 1192496)
Posted 8 Feb 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I know when I have a vlar wu just by looking at my task but how can I tell if I get a vhar wu or a ghost wu.

One way that you can find the angle range is by open the work unit in something such as notepad. Where you will find <true_angle_range> followed by the value such as <true_angle_range>0.37454123643124</true_angle_range>.

EDIT: As I use Fred's reschedule program I can see the number of each kind of tasks that my machine has. You could use it just for that without using any of the reschedule functions if you wanted.

To tell if you have "ghost" tasks. You can check the count of the tasks on your machine vs. the number the on your machines tasks pages on the website. If the in progress number is larger than the count on your machine then you have "ghost" tasks. When the servers are enabled to send out lost tasks you don't have to worry about ghosts. At the moment this is enabled.
4281) Message boards : Number crunching : Tuesday outage Feb 7 (Message 1192494)
Posted 8 Feb 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
They always leave the upload and download servers running during the outage. They only shut down the scheduling server.

Yes, but with the scheduler shut down, no new downloads should be entering the queue. It's very rare that there are so many tasks waiting to download at the beginning of the outage that we keep Cricket maxxed the whole time - I think I've only seen that once before.

I've got downloads backed up from here to Kalamazoo. So it looks like things will be pegged for quite some time. :/
4282) Message boards : Number crunching : Most productive CPU? (Message 1192219)
Posted 7 Feb 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
You better test yourself with same units.



how you can do test like that on same units ?

i would love to do some test like that on every kind of SSE 1 2 3 4.1 or generic... and find out which one is really the fastest for my computer.... on the same unit.

You could selectively download the tasks you want to run form the server, copy and save some of the tasks you have on your system, or use the benchmarking tasks from lunatics.
4283) Message boards : Number crunching : proxy number (Message 1191557)
Posted 4 Feb 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=66316#1176540
4284) Message boards : Number crunching : VLARs to GPU? (Message 1191259)
Posted 3 Feb 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
IIRC at one time rescheduler had a larger range which it considered VLAR than the ones labeled as such from the lab. I think there is also a was to set a customized VLAR value, but it has been a while since I have done any jiggery pokers in there.
4285) Message boards : Number crunching : memory as a ram disk (Message 1191054)
Posted 2 Feb 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Please see other threads on this subject.

Edit: HAL: @ the expense of SDHC write-cycle life ;).

I have never own out a flash device other than some old EEPROMs. So I kind of want to try and kill the SDHC. So I can see if it starts marking sections as unusable or if the whole thing becomes trash all at once. If it just start marking sections as unusable then I should be good since it is 16GB & BOINC is the only things on it.
4286) Message boards : Number crunching : memory as a ram disk (Message 1191051)
Posted 2 Feb 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I was wondering if I could change my memory to start using some of it as a ram disk. So I was wondering what memory I should go to and if it was worth the effort.
I have in my system
motherboard=asus 6pt x58 ich 10r
cpu=i7 920 bloomfield 1366lga
memory=
ddr3
1024 m bytes
pc3-10700h (667 mhz)
g.skill
f3-10666cl7-1gbpk
xmp-1334=667mhz7-7-7-19-31-2t-1.600v
jedec #3=666mhz 9-9-9-24-33-1.50v
jedec #2=592mhz 8-8-8-22-30-1.50v
jedec #1=444mhz-6..6.6.16.22-1.50v

Being worth the effort depends on what you want to accomplish.

If you are thinking it will be a big gain in processing tasks then no it would not be worth the effort. As the gains for processing tasks would be <= 1%.

If you are try to save power by having your hard disk spin down or something of that nature then yes it probably is worth the effort. I do that on a few systems for that reason.
However using a flash drive of some kind could give you about the same gain. In one of my notebooks I run BOINC from a SDHC drive. This allowed the hard drive to stay spun down in it's lower power state making less heat & using less power.
4287) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (66) Server problems? (Message 1190938)
Posted 2 Feb 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
You people having problems are likely falling foul to that bit of yet un-identified hardware along the connection that is playing up.

Nope.
The problem isn't downloading the work, the problem is getting the work allocated to be downloaded.

Correctamundo.

Indeed. I noticed this morning that several of my machines are listing MD5 and download errors in the past 24 hours.
I haven't done any looking into it as there are many more successes than failures. However I wonder if it one of the download servers having an issue, both of them, or a line issue. So many places to look for troubleshooting.
4288) Message boards : Number crunching : CLOSED* SETI/BOINC Milestones [ v2.0 ] - XXIV *CLOSED (Message 1190824)
Posted 2 Feb 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Wow I've rolled past the 40,000,000 mark. I guess I'm going to have to reset the odometer soon.

Congrats to everyone on their own milestones & keep up the great work.
4289) Message boards : Number crunching : Finally! GPU wars 2012 - GTX 650 Ti reviews (Message 1190555)
Posted 1 Feb 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

I was thinking about one of those ViDock things to use a PCIe card in my old Pentium M notebook.


Hal9000, that's about the 2nd coolest electronic toy I've ever seen!

Now, how to get >1 ViDock onto one pci-e/expresscard i/f?? :)


Lt

EDTI: If BOINC can recognize an externally connected video card and it can be used in GPU mode, that would certainly be a big PLUS! Especially for PCI-e slot bound motherboard/laptop owners...

In my case it is ExpressCard 1.0 so only 250 MB/s instead of the 625 MB/s that 2.0 offers. So effectively a PCIe 1.0 x1 connection. Granted in my case that could reduce the amount of work a GPU could do crunching. However a fraction of something is greater than nothing. Besides it would be funny to see my old Pentium M with a RAC of like 10,000 or something silly.
4290) Message boards : Number crunching : IBM goes 9nm using nanotubes (Message 1190516)
Posted 1 Feb 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Reference: http://www.techpowerup.com/159631/IBM-Creates-9-nm-Transistors-Using-Carbon-Nanotubules.html

So we're coming up on the limit of silicon. If carbon nano-tubes can be reliable and not too expensive, that may get us really close to quantum tunneling.

So, chips based on that are not going to fit in my 1155 motherboard are they...

Maybe they will be able to bring up 40 cores @ 5.0 GHz with such tinyness!
4291) Message boards : Number crunching : Breathing life into an old computer (Message 1190486)
Posted 31 Jan 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
...what' the RAC of a D525 Atom again?


Probably 600-700 with Lunatics:)
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/show_host_detail.php?hostid=5550773

PS I haven't tried running Astro on it yet...

So about the same, or a bit better than a 3.0GHZ P4 and < 1/4 the amount of power. I bet the Atom D2700 would kick out a bit more, maybe even around 1000 RAC using even a bit less power.
4292) Message boards : Number crunching : Breathing life into an old computer (Message 1190254)
Posted 31 Jan 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
My older P4 system with a 3GHz Northwood originally ran around 120w @ idle & 192w @ full CPU load.
It had a lot of HDDs in a RAID setup and 2 DVD drives. So once I took all of that out and replaced it with just a 2.5" drive the power usage was 96w @ idle & 156w @ full CPU load. Sadly I don't have the power numbers for when I was using the hybrid GPU application with my AGP HD3850.

I keep considering getting one of those PCI GT430's to stick in that machine to play around with, but an Atom board is about the same money and I want one of those to play around with also. Hmm... what' the RAC of a D525 Atom again? I might need to spend my tax refund tonight...
4293) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (65) Server problems? (Message 1189976)
Posted 30 Jan 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hmmmm. That makes the fourth run, then - they seem to be following, one after the other.

So far, we've had
5207
11720
5342
18165

Are those just the jumbo tasks? One I had from that tape which I mentioned earlier was not a jumbo 21jn11ac.14219.24203.6.10.83. Created 2012-01-23 21:35:02 UTC.
Do we want to check the status of all of the 21nj11ac tasks or just the jumbo ones?

Edit: To include more data for jumbo tasks that I have had.
21jn11ac.5207.3344.3.10.98 created 2012-01-26 19:31:45 UTC
21jn11ac.5207.3344.3.10.99 created 2012-01-26 19:31:46 UTC

Which points out that this didn't not occur on just one day.
4294) Message boards : Number crunching : Upgrading old Xeon servers with PCI-X video cards? (Message 1189842)
Posted 29 Jan 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I recently came across a whole stack of old 1U business class servers. They all have dual 3.6-3.8 Xeons (Irwindales) and are surprisingly EM64T with HT for 4 procs total. These are very nice old systems that businesses are practically throwing away lately.

Unfortunately they only have the old PCI-X 100/133, low profile, expansion bays and so finding video cards to stick in these have proven very difficult. My question is, has anyone found a good source of cheap GPUs that will fit these old servers and if so which makes/models?

Option#2: I see PCI-X to PCI-E adapters DO exist, but I can only assume that running a modern PCI-E x16 video card across this bus will ruin the computation potential right?

Are the PCI-X slots on a riser card?
I have some Dell PE2850 servers at work, dual socket P4's, that came with either PCI-X or PCIe riser cards. So I either get 3 PCI-X 133 slots or 1 PCI-X 133, 1 PCIe x8, & 1 PCIe x4 in a x8 slot.
Something like that might be an option for you. In not the GT430 PCI card might be your best bet.
4295) Message boards : Number crunching : Can I select which WU/project goes to which GPU? (Message 1189607)
Posted 29 Jan 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The option to do so is in the works. The 6.13.x release have the features for <exclude_gpu>, but I don't know how well, or if, it works. I would expect it is or will be in BOINC 7.x as well.

When will version 6.13.x come out. And BOINC 7.x is still in Alpha release so I don't know if it's wise to install that, especially if your not sure that that option is in there.

Otherwise I'll just have to go back to the 2 client setup I had before, for the time being.

Anthony.

I think 6.13.x became 7.x, but I'm not really sure on that. I haven't had the time to muck around with BOINC versions a lot recently.
4296) Message boards : Number crunching : Mini SETI Farm (Message 1189605)
Posted 29 Jan 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Not sure what wine has to do with a mini SETI Farm, so back on topic we go.

Starting to get things figured out now, have a 1250w PCU, 2 motherboards that can handle 4 double slot GPUs, which was not easy to find cheap. With any luck I'll have something running within a month or so.

For those that are running open air with water cooled GPUs, did you find you still needed a fan blowing on the MB to keep things cool, or is the CPU cooler fan enough?

Looking at a photo of the 790FX-GD70 board you mentioned I would thing it would be OK if CPU cooler helps move air through the heatsink between the CPU and the rear panel.
With the GPUs water cooled that would eliminate the worry I would have of the GPUs blowing their hot air down on the southbridge.
4297) Message boards : Number crunching : Crunching for nothing (Message 1189599)
Posted 29 Jan 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
To me it looks like at 28 Jan 2012 | 17:00:49 UTC you switched from the stock app to the opt apps. Where something must have gone wrong to dump 256 tasks in 1 second.
You might try looking through your stdoutdae.txt for any error messages you missed on startup.

Edit: Also Pending credit hasn't been in use for about 2 years.
4298) Message boards : Number crunching : Can I select which WU/project goes to which GPU? (Message 1189597)
Posted 29 Jan 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Can I select which project or WU goes to which GPU? I have a dual GPU setup, a GTX-570 and a GTX-550TI, and I would like my GPUGrid WU's to run on the GTX-570 as they run pretty long. For the mentioned project I probably should ask on the GPUGrid forum (which I will do), but would it also be possible for other projects (like SETI) or WU's?

I had a dual directory setup before I exchanged my GF8600GT 256MB with a GTX-570. I removed my cc_config.xml file so both GPU's are now again controlled by 1 BOINC client.

Today I solved it by waiting until the GTX-570 was almost finished with a SETI-WU and then I resumed the GPUGrid WU's. The GTX-570 runs the GPUGrid WU's about 3-4 (or 2-4) times faster than the GTX-550TI.

Is there something I could put in the cc_config.xml file or in the projects app_info.xml file?

Anthony.

The option to do so is in the works. The 6.13.x release have the features for <exclude_gpu>, but I don't know how well, or if, it works. I would expect it is or will be in BOINC 7.x as well.
4299) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (65) Server problems? (Message 1189534)
Posted 28 Jan 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Mega-WUs seem to be getting commoner. I've got seven downloads stuck at the moment, and four of them are mega-WUs from the new 21jn11ac.5342. batch. But I did just report an older one, and it validated at the first attempt against a stock v6.10

Looks like it is not the whole 'tape'. I have this one that is of normal size.
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/workunit.php?wuid=915319477
4300) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (65) Server problems? (Message 1189491)
Posted 28 Jan 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Well - I don't understand for the moment!
Just got these WUs:
28.01.2012 19:53:32 SETI@home Message from server: Resent lost task 11oc11ah.9045.11110.3.10.13_2
28.01.2012 19:53:32 SETI@home Message from server: Resent lost task 21jn11ac.5342.2526.5.10.15_1
28.01.2012 19:53:32 SETI@home Message from server: Resent lost task 21jn11ac.5342.2526.5.10.8_0
28.01.2012 19:53:32 SETI@home Message from server: Resent lost task 21jn11ac.5342.2526.5.10.14_0
28.01.2012 19:53:32 SETI@home Message from server: Resent lost task 04oc11ai.614.6611.12.10.138_2
28.01.2012 19:53:32 SETI@home Message from server: Resent lost task 21jn11ac.5342.2526.5.10.12_1
28.01.2012 19:53:32 SETI@home Message from server: Resent lost task 21jn11ac.5342.2526.5.10.17_1
28.01.2012 19:53:32 SETI@home Message from server: Resent lost task 21jn11ac.5342.2526.5.10.19_0
28.01.2012 19:53:32 SETI@home Message from server: Resent lost task 21jn11ac.5342.2526.5.10.21_0
28.01.2012 19:53:32 SETI@home Message from server: Resent lost task 21jn11ac.5342.2526.5.10.20_0
28.01.2012 19:53:32 SETI@home Message from server: Resent lost task 21jn11ac.5342.2526.5.10.18_0
28.01.2012 19:53:32 SETI@home Message from server: Resent lost task 21jn11ac.5342.2526.5.10.23_0
28.01.2012 19:53:32 SETI@home Message from server: Resent lost task 21jn11ac.5342.2526.5.10.22_0
28.01.2012 19:53:32 SETI@home Message from server: Resent lost task 21jn11ac.5342.2526.5.10.27_1
28.01.2012 19:53:32 SETI@home Message from server: Resent lost task 21jn11ac.5342.2526.5.10.28_0
28.01.2012 19:53:32 SETI@home Message from server: Resent lost task 21jn11ac.5342.2526.5.10.26_0
28.01.2012 19:53:32 SETI@home Message from server: Resent lost task 21jn11ac.5342.2526.5.10.24_0
28.01.2012 19:53:32 SETI@home Message from server: Resent lost task 04oc11ai.21273.17006.10.10.255_2
28.01.2012 19:53:32 SETI@home Message from server: Resent lost task 21jn11ac.5342.2526.5.10.29_0
28.01.2012 19:53:32 SETI@home Message from server: Resent lost task 21jn11ac.5342.2526.5.10.25_1

Names starting with "21jn11ac. ..." are all "large" WUs with size=2.73MB
When and where were they lost?
N.B.: Times are UTC+1

Rolf

Ghost, or lost, tasks have nothing to do with their size. It occurs when there are tasks assigned to you and they are not present on your system. The files would be missing from your host or your host never got the message from the server about them being assigned.

If you search for topics related to ghost or resends you should be able to find more info about the various ways they occur.
4301) Message boards : Number crunching : What's up with this wingman? (Message 1189448)
Posted 28 Jan 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
For whatever reason their run times are not being reported. So when a result is returned and both hosts are "Anonymous platform" the credit is 0. When one of the hosts is stock then they are issued credit.

IIRC this is similar to what occurs with the really old BOINC clients that don't report time. I think 4.12 or maybe older. That client you pointed to is using 6.12.34.

Since they were reporting before 2012-01-27 23:54:32 UTC I am guessing their machine has hiccuped or they might have done a change to the system that has resulted in this.
4302) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (65) Server problems? (Message 1189231)
Posted 28 Jan 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I just noticed in checking to see if I had any other jumbo sized work. I didn't but I do have several smaller than normal size tasks.

01/27/2012  02:03 PM           150,648 05oc11ah.8296.36358.11.10.112.vlar
01/27/2012  02:03 PM           162,936 05oc11ah.8296.36358.11.10.113.vlar
01/27/2012  02:03 PM           162,936 05oc11ah.8296.36358.11.10.90.vlar
01/27/2012  02:03 PM           162,936 04oc11ai.614.8247.12.10.76
01/27/2012  02:03 PM           294,008 05oc11ah.8296.36358.11.10.126.vlar
01/27/2012  02:03 PM           298,104 05oc11ah.8296.36358.11.10.115.vlar
01/27/2012  02:03 PM           314,488 05oc11ah.8296.36358.11.10.75.vlar
01/27/2012  02:03 PM           322,680 05oc11ah.8296.36358.11.10.108.vlar
01/23/2012  10:59 AM           367,813 01oc11af.20863.9700.16.10.114
01/23/2012  07:31 AM           368,025 01oc11af.28557.27978.13.10.114


I never paid much attention before, but are the files sizes more variable now than they once were?
4303) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (65) Server problems? (Message 1189206)
Posted 28 Jan 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I just downloaded four 2793.18K WU's, What is this?

I'm using 6.10.58 x64...

These were noticed yesterday, http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=66683&nowrap=true#1188705, & we have been talking about them since.

As Richard Haselgrove said: Spooky...

Looks more like something from Einstein...

It is data that needs crunching. So crunch it I shall!

Same here....
But still wonder about the source.....did anybody see that 21jn11ac dataset in the splitter queue in the first place? It has not been there all day when I looked.....

Looks like 'mystery meat' to me.....

The first task I had assigned to me was at 2012-01-26 5:24PM EST. So I would guess it was split before then. Maybe even the day before?
4304) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (65) Server problems? (Message 1189190)
Posted 28 Jan 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I just downloaded four 2793.18K WU's, What is this?

I'm using 6.10.58 x64...

These were noticed yesterday, http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=66683&nowrap=true#1188705, & we have been talking about them since.

As Richard Haselgrove said: Spooky...

Looks more like something from Einstein...

It is data that needs crunching. So crunch it I shall!
4305) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (65) Server problems? (Message 1189174)
Posted 28 Jan 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I'm getting these no with _2 tags now and it seems that no one can agree on an outcome so far.

[edit] This is 1 example, workunit 917829117. [/edit]

[edit_2] 2nd example, workunit 917970191. [/edit]

Cheers.


Both of the ones I ran on my HTPC validated without needing a 3rd wheel. :D

One was noisy and cut out early with a -9, but the other ran its full course without any issues it looks like. The GPU it validated against actually processed it as well without an error!

4306) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (65) Server problems? (Message 1189173)
Posted 28 Jan 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I just downloaded four 2793.18K WU's, What is this?

I'm using 6.10.58 x64...

These were noticed yesterday, http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=66683&nowrap=true#1188705, & we have been talking about them since.
4307) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (65) Server problems? (Message 1189022)
Posted 27 Jan 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
So, has anybody successfully crunched one of these oddballs yet?
If so, was the estimated crunch time close?

I only have 4 total. On my HTPC I am forcing the two it has to run now so we can get results. So far they are running shorter than their estimate.

MoDT Box:
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/workunit.php?wuid=917828031
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/workunit.php?wuid=917828037
HTPC Box:
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/workunit.php?wuid=917878718
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/workunit.php?wuid=917878719

Once complete we will see how they do.
4308) Message boards : Number crunching : GTX 560 Ti 448 ? (Message 1188326)
Posted 25 Jan 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Well, found a great deal on 2 of these 448 cards, and it looks like with a little overclocking they're just as fast as a 570, but for a lot less. They'll be going in a new unnamed build.


Your new computer's name is Fuschia. It's a good name.


Had to Google "Fuschia" as I had no clue what color that was, its listed as a vivid reddish or pinkish purple. Interesting. Do they make case fans that color?

That's how my rigs have gotten there names so far, by the color of there case fans.

What would the name be if the fans changed color?
4309) Message boards : Number crunching : 14nm....coming soon to a fab near you..... (Message 1188261)
Posted 25 Jan 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I guess we will see the Broadwell 14nm chips around 2014. Since the Haswell chips are not due out until next year.

Since it is Plant 42 should it not have been built in the UK? (:
4310) Message boards : Number crunching : ATI gpu multimonitor setup flickering (Message 1188259)
Posted 25 Jan 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
what exactly does this have to do with crunching numbers. clearly you are having video problems. I'm not sure seti is the place to find the help that you need


People crunch numbers on ATI graphics cards here all the time. I was wondering if anyone has had any similar experience.

On a similar note, is there a way to permanently lock the frequency of an ATI GPU?

When I was using my 5770 to crunch here with the lunatic app every time I tried to watch some flash video the GPU would downclock. Is there a way to prevent that from happening?

Yes, if you run the GPU S@H app on the card it will generally stay at full clock speed all of the time. Other than that, or custom FW for your card, nope.
4311) Message boards : Number crunching : Lunatics Windows Installer v0.39 release notes (Message 1188257)
Posted 25 Jan 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
first 2 tasks completed... the 7970 took longer than the 6970



It is always important to actually look at the results instead of just the GUI of BOINC. As it doesn't give you any details about what is, or has been, going on.

Looking at the results shows the task that ran on your 7970 ran for over 10 minutes on the CPU.
18oc11ac.12686.21146.6.10.71.vlar_1 	915917481 	24 Jan 2012 | 18:58:48 UTC 	24 Jan 2012 | 19:30:32 UTC 	Completed, waiting for validation 	1,556.21 	688.13 	pending 	SETI@home Enhanced Anonymous platform (ATI GPU)
18oc11ac.12686.21146.6.10.72.vlar_1 	915917483 	24 Jan 2012 | 18:58:48 UTC 	24 Jan 2012 | 19:30:32 UTC 	Completed, waiting for validation 	1,348.20 	89.08 	pending 	SETI@home Enhanced Anonymous platform (ATI GPU)


So comparing those two doesn't give you much info.
4312) Message boards : Number crunching : Lunatics Windows Installer v0.39 release notes (Message 1188051)
Posted 24 Jan 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Any chance on getting the ATI 7970 able to crunch SETI? from what I am reading, the app has issues with 11.10 and 11.11, so I am presuming that 11.12 and 12.1 are also affected. Is this true?

No it is not. The Cat 11.12 release seems to be good, at the moment. I don't think we have seen results from a HD7000 yet though. So get on it! ;)
4313) Message boards : Number crunching : Bad WU (Message 1188047)
Posted 24 Jan 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
that one is .... OUCH!

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/workunit.php?wuid=905551594

more than 66 hrs of hard work (239,847.70 secs) and end with ??? ''Error while computing''
i am happy it s not me. lol

edit : oh ! that one is worst lol, same computer:

270,542.90 secs = 75 hrs of hard work ''Error while computing''
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/workunit.php?wuid=909224268

Linux + stock AP app = no bueno

I had noticed a machine I was paired with a while back that was doing that. I was informed the linux 5.06 app has an issue.

Here is the post.

It is decisions like this that make me wonder what the project admins are smoking sometimes.
4314) Message boards : Number crunching : completed and can't validate - Too many errors (may have bug) (Message 1187489)
Posted 22 Jan 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I wonder if there would be a way to flag WU's to replicate to different platforms when an error occurs. ie if a cuda causes trouble stick to the CPU platforms.

BOINC doesn't have that exact option, but it does have an option to have reissues sent only to "reliable" hosts. See ProjectOptions#Acceleratingretries.
                                                                   Joe

I wonder how effective that is on large GPU hosts. With those hosts processing several thousand tasks a day. A 1% error rate would make them "reliable", but still generate a large volume of errors.
4315) Message boards : Number crunching : Attention [AF>HFR>TN2T>HOP!] DrWatson (Message 1187485)
Posted 22 Jan 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Actually yes and his quota is down to 1 WU per day and app, however I'm not sure if it's working as it should, he got 3 MB WUs 22 Jan 2012 5:30:08 UTC, but maybe it was still higher at that time.

I have never seen the limits listed on the Application details page to actually function. In December I had a machine hiccup and trash all of its work and then keep downloading more. In the logs it was getting 10-20 at every request & trashing them as well. Since I was off for two weeks and the machine was at work I couldn't do anything.

Looks like that users machine has been requesting 3 at a time foe a while now. At first every 5 minutes, but now only once a day.
4316) Message boards : Number crunching : Reasource Shareing Between Multiple Projects (Message 1187267)
Posted 21 Jan 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thank you Hal9000

Unfortunately BOINC doesn't function that way. It operates a debt system. So when one project is running it build up a debt for the other(s). If you had 4 projects with equal share. Then BOINC is not going run each project 6 hours a day. It may instead run 1 or 2 at a time and then switch to one, or more, of the others.


That's what I see. 1 or 2 projects switching and then again 1 or 2 projects(different) and then back to the first 2 again.

Then I can't really do what I tried to do.

Thank you for verifying what I've seen.

It is a function of design. Which on a faster machine seems like it should be able to work in the mode you are wanting.

Since the make BOINC to work with as many computers and projects as possible the current mode is better for that scenario.



Where is the "debt" stored for the projects?
Is there anyway I can see the number and how it is changed for the different projects I am running?

Like most other information the vales are stored in your client_state.xml.

IIRC to see the values in the GUI you select a project, from the projects tab, and select Properties. Then under Scheduling you will see
CPU scheduling priority: 0.0 [This is the CPU STD(Short Term Debt)]
CPU work fetch priority: 0.0 [This is the CPU LTD(Long Term Debt)]
GPU scheduling priority: 0.0 [This is the GPU STD(Short Term Debt)]
GPU work fetch priority: 0.0 [This is the GPU LTD(Long Term Debt)]

You can compare them to the values in your client_state.xml for verification. If the numbers are 0 then you have no debt for that project/device. Otherwise the numbers will be negative or positive.

Your debt, work queue size, and connection setting all play a role in how BOINC decides to download and process tasks.
4317) Message boards : Number crunching : Reasource Shareing Between Multiple Projects (Message 1187228)
Posted 21 Jan 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thank you Hal9000

Unfortunately BOINC doesn't function that way. It operates a debt system. So when one project is running it build up a debt for the other(s). If you had 4 projects with equal share. Then BOINC is not going run each project 6 hours a day. It may instead run 1 or 2 at a time and then switch to one, or more, of the others.


That's what I see. 1 or 2 projects switching and then again 1 or 2 projects(different) and then back to the first 2 again.

Then I can't really do what I tried to do.

Thank you for verifying what I've seen.

It is a function of design. Which on a faster machine seems like it should be able to work in the mode you are wanting.

Since the make BOINC to work with as many computers and projects as possible the current mode is better for that scenario.
4318) Message boards : Number crunching : SETI Raptor drive (Message 1187227)
Posted 21 Jan 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Disk I/O in SETI is very low, Raptor won't give any noticeable difference than normal(SATA and access time around 15 ms) drive.
Sorry to disappoint you on this matter. But for many other things VRs are awesome. I have two 300 GB myself, one per workstation.

I didn't know there are 74 GB models of VR. Very nice. As long as needed mostly as system drive(and as a drive for code compilation in my case) this low capacity, but probably less expensive model, is very welcome.


When they changed from the Raptor to VelociRaptor name one of the first models was the 74GB one. Probably to replace the original 74GB Raptor. I had thought about getting one at the time to replace my older drive as it was also SATA 3Gb instead of the 1.5Gb. I instead went with a large array of TB drives for about the same money.



Another options for installing this drive to use just for S@H would be to mount it as a folder. So if you had C:\ProgramData\BOINC\. then you could just mount it as that folder. It has been a while since I have done that process. So I'm not sure if it as easy as it once was.
4319) Message boards : Number crunching : Reasource Shareing Between Multiple Projects (Message 1187219)
Posted 21 Jan 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Personally I set all my backup projects to 0% resources and leave SETI at 100% as it's my main/preferred project.

Also other projects with shorter reporting deadlines will tend to overwhelm SETI with its longer ones so I also have my backup projects set to NNT until I need to call on them and then I select whether I need CPU or GPU from them so I only get enough to keep them happy for a day or so.

Cheers.



Yep, that is also how i've done it.
Suspending projects and NNT them...

I don't really want to call it a backup project anymore....
Now I want to balance the projects it if possible.
To something like:

Running 1GPU with 6projects with different credits(I know.....credits).
There is 24 hours in 1 day

Then I would like to have for example SETI use 12hours and Milkyway 6hours and give the other 4 projects an equal share of what is left of that 24hour period.

Atleast I am trying here to figure out a way to come close to something like that.

Unfortunately BOINC doesn't function that way. It operates a debt system. So when one project is running it build up a debt for the other(s). If you had 4 projects with equal share. Then BOINC is not going run each project 6 hours a day. It may instead run 1 or 2 at a time and then switch to one, or more, of the others.

BOINC user Manual
4320) Message boards : Number crunching : Now this is just plain wrong. (Message 1186781)
Posted 20 Jan 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Yes, it was very quick wasn't it.

That task took my 2500K just over 22,000 seconds to do from memory, but it was a shorty.

Cheers.

Normally after a task is validated or stuffed in the rubbish due to errors it goes away after about 24 hours. You have to be quicker next time! :)

So what was the deal with this task exactly?

This is what the issue is I think
Normally I'd get around 450-550 on my 2500K for that length of time instead of a tiddly 106.09, very depressing it is.

Most of the time when I get a low ball it is against the stock CPU app. I wonder which is the major cause of your 100. The ATI GPU or the CreditNew.... Oh well the science got done at least. I'm sure they will consider sorting this kind of thing out someday! :)
4321) Message boards : Number crunching : completed and can't validate - Too many errors (may have bug) (Message 1186702)
Posted 20 Jan 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/workunit.php?wuid=906814527

this one is just the opposite, lunatics failed.

None of those actually "failed". They exited with -12. Which is kind of like the -9 exit status. In that a threshold trigger was passed that said "I'm done with this thing make it go away".

I think it was said that the current version of the Lunatics Nvidia app generates fewer -12's than the previous one. There was an explanation of some kind about that. IIRC it was something Jason said in the post about the newest installer.

Hopefully another few years with GPGPU apps and we won't be seeing these issues anymore.
4322) Message boards : Number crunching : Now this is just plain wrong. (Message 1186700)
Posted 20 Jan 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Yes, it was very quick wasn't it.

That task took my 2500K just over 22,000 seconds to do from memory, but it was a shorty.

Cheers.

Normally after a task is validated or stuffed in the rubbish due to errors it goes away after about 24 hours. You have to be quicker next time! :)

So what was the deal with this task exactly?
4323) Message boards : Number crunching : Breathing life into an old computer (Message 1186621)
Posted 19 Jan 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Also I'm running Catalyst 11.8 now with no problems. I've read that 11.2 runs the fastest and also there are some problems with some of the later drivers. So right now I'm in the "if it ain't broke don't fix it" mode as far as ATI drivers go. Which brings up another point. Does anyone recall what the bad driver versions were and is 11.2 still the "best" one?

Doug

It seems that the 11.12 is a good release. I have seen a some say they are using it and I have it on my HD6870 that I just bought.
4324) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (65) Server problems? (Message 1186620)
Posted 19 Jan 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
flood of shorties or lack of AP tasks.

Not at the moment. Uploads are up & down & downloads have dropped right off, with the odd spike.
Things are not well.

I don't know how you can say that things arn't well when all here are constantly bouncing off the limits imposed (I'm getting really sick of those limits and all the bouncing).

Cheers.

Well the cricket does show a small dip so there could have been a hiccup then.. The dip in the graph does also seem to correspond to 3 sequential failures I got on my machine that is requesting work every 5 minutes. Where I got the 'couldn't connect to server' message.
One thing I don't like about these kinds of graphs is that they are just snapshots of what is occurring at that interval when checked.
4325) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (65) Server problems? (Message 1186524)
Posted 19 Jan 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Nothing to moan about

bit boring isn't it?

Then why aren't the crickets maxed out?

It's quite cold and windy outside. :(

john3760

How cold is it there? Where I live it's currently 11F and falling, with a wind chill of -5F.

The current view of the cricket graph is rather normal when there is not a flood of shorties or lack of AP tasks.
4326) Message boards : Number crunching : New Intel overclocking replacment warranty program (Message 1186485)
Posted 19 Jan 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
So apparently you can now purchase a warranty from Intel to cover your CPU in the event you blow it up from overclocking. The Intel page with info is here.

While $20-$35 sounds pretty good for replacing the listed CPUs I'm not sure this is actually worth it. I have killed almost every other part of a machine while overclocking, but I don't recall killing a CPU yet.

Edit: However I can remember killing a few from things like breaking pins or over tightening heatsinks.
4327) Message boards : Number crunching : Debate: Cobblestone inflation (Message 1186328)
Posted 18 Jan 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I'm sorry Mario, but the princess you are looking for is in this castle.

We have been using the CreditNew system for a while now.
4328) Message boards : Number crunching : app_info.xml question (Message 1186317)
Posted 18 Jan 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
2) Make a folder for each instance you want to run on the target system. Such as D:\BOINC\, D:\BOINC2\, or D:\BOINC3\.

Why do you need Multiple Boinc Program Files Directories?, I just used one to run two clients.

Claggy

It makes it easier to explain, at least for me.
4329) Message boards : Number crunching : Finally! GPU wars 2012 - GTX 650 Ti reviews (Message 1186309)
Posted 18 Jan 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
That was easily the most muddled/garbled article I've read...


True but irrelevant:) Being able to Plug 'n' Play a GPU on any ol' (thunderlightningthingy) laptop... priceless!

More AMD news:
AMD to Launch Radeon HD 7950 on January 31


True True. I did like the part about the plug in video card for laptops. If that could somehow be modified (higher voltage, full size cards and so forth) then it'd be quite fun.


I was thinking about one of those ViDock things to use a PCIe card in my old Pentium M notebook.
4330) Message boards : Number crunching : Breathing life into an old computer (Message 1186307)
Posted 18 Jan 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have been crunching with my venerable desktop Pentium 4 computer for the last couple of years. I also have a newer i7 and was thinking about turning the Pentium into a low budget better cruncher than it is. AP WUs take ~130 hours now, VLARs ~15. I really don't want to spend a lot, but since it's so old I might be able to pick up a couple of GPU cards to breathe new life into it. I'd probably pick them up off of Craigslist or someplace like that. So I have a couple of questions. The computer uses a PCI bus, so even if I wanted a new card they're hard to find. In your vast collective history, which I'm sure dates back to at least the PCI bus, whatwould be an appropriate card to look for? Were there any good PCI GPUs out there in the past? Is this even worth doing? I can go to WalMart and pick up a newer box with PCIe, latest generation processor, more and faster memory for < $500. If I could get some good results for ~$50 I might do it. Until then I'll crunch away on an AP for 116 hours until I get a "compute error" and then hang my head down and cry.

Doug

The most promising option for PCI is the Zotec GT 430 PCI ZT-40605-10L. Which runs around $70 online.
4331) Message boards : Number crunching : app_info.xml question (Message 1186295)
Posted 18 Jan 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Will un-installing BOINC remove the registry entries or do I need to regedit them out??

Ed F

I just did a test with 6.12.43 and after the uninstall finished the keys were still present. Normally I do a key search for
Space Sciences Laboratory, U.C. Berkeley
in the registry and just deleted all of the keys I find.

In this case I found these.
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Space Sciences Laboratory, U.C. Berkeley
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Space Sciences Laboratory, U.C. Berkeley
HKEY_USERS\S-1-5-21-1973062149-1118239669-1879462825-1000\Software\Space Sciences Laboratory, U.C. Berkeley

Sometimes there is one hiding under the the Wow6432Node keys as well.

When I referred to the BOINC program folder I did mean the contents of the whole folder.

Directory of C:\Program Files\BOINC
11/07/2011  04:12 PM         1,134,256 boinc.exe
11/07/2011  04:12 PM           479,408 boinccmd.exe
10/06/2010  01:16 PM           284,646 BOINCGUIApp.ico
11/07/2011  04:12 PM         6,714,032 boincmgr.exe
11/07/2011  04:03 PM         1,494,528 boincscr.exe
11/07/2011  04:12 PM            15,536 boincsvcctrl.exe
11/07/2011  04:12 PM            70,832 boinctray.exe
10/06/2010  01:17 PM            36,235 boinc_logo_black.jpg
01/29/2009  04:27 PM           242,471 ca-bundle.crt
10/06/2010  01:18 PM            35,821 COPYING
10/06/2010  01:18 PM             1,882 COPYRIGHT
10/06/2010  01:17 PM         1,337,160 dbghelp.dll
10/06/2010  01:17 PM           163,088 dbghelp95.dll
10/06/2010  01:18 PM            66,708 Helvetica.txf
07/05/2011  12:47 PM           332,800 libcurl.dll
07/05/2011  12:18 PM         1,603,072 libeay32.dll
01/18/2012  03:44 PM    <DIR>          locale
05/13/2011  10:16 PM             1,872 Microsoft.VC80.CRT.manifest
05/14/2011  01:18 AM           515,072 msvcm80.dll
05/14/2011  01:18 AM         1,068,368 msvcp80.dll
05/14/2011  01:17 AM           802,640 msvcr80.dll
07/05/2011  11:31 AM           882,688 sqlite3.dll
10/06/2010  01:17 PM           103,720 srcsrv.dll
07/05/2011  12:18 PM           314,368 ssleay32.dll
10/06/2010  01:17 PM           149,064 symsrv.dll
10/06/2010  01:17 PM                 1 symsrv.yes
07/05/2011  11:05 AM            79,872 zlib1.dll
              26 File(s)     17,930,140 bytes


If you have a RebootPending.txt file from a fresh install you should remove it.

I remove \locale\ as I don't need the language support.
4332) Message boards : Number crunching : Completed, too late to validate (Message 1186047)
Posted 18 Jan 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
No, "too late to validate" is nothing new, but we don't see it so often, as it's quite seldom, that a timed out WU is returned just within the 24 hours window between the validation and purging.


http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/workunit.php?wuid=802307781

Yeah, that's really stucked... even on the deadline of the last result it was not moved down the pipeline and finally purged. I think only project admins can help you with that.


With the volume of these stickers I think they might want to write a query to run maybe every few maintenance cycles, like every 8 or 12, to do something with them.
4333) Message boards : Number crunching : Finally! GPU wars 2012 - GTX 650 Ti reviews (Message 1185943)
Posted 17 Jan 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

NVIDIA Kepler to arrive in March or April - Hard Launch Only

It seems they moved it up to Feb now.
http://news.softpedia.com/news/NVIDIA-GeForce-GTX-680-Set-for-February-Specs-Revealed-246775.shtml
4334) Message boards : Number crunching : Request for assistance (Message 1185921)
Posted 17 Jan 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thanks for your help.

Yes, it is a laptop.

I don't know about "Clock Rate."

With the apps running the clock should run at full speed unless something is telling it not to.
A useful app you might want to download is CPUz. With that, or several other apps out there, you will be able to see the current clock rate of your CPU. Which in this case would be 1.66GHz.
4335) Message boards : Number crunching : Finally! GPU wars 2012 - GTX 650 Ti reviews (Message 1185744)
Posted 16 Jan 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Is there a price sheet for these new GPU's floating around anywhere?

For the ATI cards:
There is a listing of prices via wikipedia & the cards for sale at newegg.

Edit: & amazon for good measure.
4336) Message boards : Number crunching : Excluding VLAR's for ATI (Message 1185721)
Posted 16 Jan 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
It seems like no-one is able to circumvent this then...
I thought it could be done somehow...

Hmmmm...I think I get back to only run ap tasks then....(Cherry Picking).

ATI cards and the app are made to crunch ap tasks.


Selecting which application to run isn't cherry picking. Aborting the tasks you don't want to run because they don't "pay well" would be an instance of cherry picking.

Credit for VLAR and VHAR tasks is often less than that of "normal" tasks with an AR of around .42. The AR just depends on where the dish was pointing at the time for the data we were allowed to piggy back on.

I figure it is better to look at some data that takes a bit longer instead of having no data at all. As no data pays nothing.
4337) Message boards : Number crunching : New laptop setup help Radeon GPU (Message 1185718)
Posted 16 Jan 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
If it really is a Turks then it might have:
â—¦OpenCLâ„¢ 1.1 support

I don't know anything about crunching on AMD GPUs, but I'm sure someone here can help:)

AMD
Wikipedia

Just looking at th GFLOPs entries in Wiki for the Turks series, it looks like you got a (very) high-end Mobile GPU. My instinct tells me it should be more than capable of working somehow, but again I know absolutely nothing about crunching on Ati:)

One thing I do know is that GPUz isn't very good at showing all the capabilities of mobile GPUs. Meaning I wouldn't trust those checkboxes. Just because GPUz can't pick up on some feature, doesn't mean you haven't got it (again: this goes for mobile GPUs). In summary, I'm thinking that maybe (just maybe) you guys are relying on bad data.

(If I'm waaay off base and sticking my nose where it doesn't belong, please red-x this post. Thanx!)

PS maybe this will help

I agree with you about GPUz there. It doesn't show the GT 8500 I have running as CUDA capable.
There is a list on the AMD website for what products have support. They updated the list to include the APUs a while back, but the HD6000M GPUs are still not listed. Oddly enough the HD5000M GPUs are.
4338) Message boards : Number crunching : app_info.xml question (Message 1185689)
Posted 16 Jan 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
There is a slight issue with your plans. As BOINC just starts and stops applications. So assigning affinity to boinc.exe will not do anything for you.


Au contraire! Because the Lunatics processes (CPU and GPU) run as a "child" of boinc.exe (on windows-7 x64) setting affinity to boinc.exe to 0,2,4,6 will force all seti tasks (CPU and GPU) to run on CPUs 0,2,4,6. doing the same on BOINC #2 instance (but using 1,3,5,7 and diff LUNATICS processes) should produce asymmetric cpu usage.

as noted above, I ASSUME switching even and odd usage will give identical results

Soooooooooooo HAL9000, How do I set up 2 BOINCS under windows without using the installer .... PLEASE!!!!!

Ed F

The do this makes it so the BOINC program and data directory are the same. I'll start assuming a "clean" system w/o BOINC. Then add a bit of info in the event of a preexisting installation.

1) Obtain the BOINC program folder from an installed installation. Which would normally be c:\Program Files\BOINC\.

2) Make a folder for each instance you want to run on the target system. Such as D:\BOINC\, D:\BOINC2\, or D:\BOINC3\.

3) Copy the program files into each directory.

4) Create the appropriate cc_config.xml for each instance you wish to run and place it in the corresponding folder. Such as D:\BOINC\, D:\BOINC2\, or D:\BOINC3\. Note: You may wish to add <allow_remote_gui_rpc>1</allow_remote_gui_rpc> if the PC is relatively secure.

5) Configure gui_rpc_auth.cfg with your desired password for each instance.

The next bit can be changed how you like to do it. I will list what I did.

6) Create a .bat file to launch for instances of BOINC. Example provided.
D:\BOINC
start D:\BOINC\boinc.exe --gui_rpc_port 31416 --detach
start D:\BOINC\boincmgr.exe /s
start D:\BOINC2\boinc.exe --gui_rpc_port 31417 --detach
start D:\BOINC3\boinc.exe --gui_rpc_port 31418 --detach

The important thing here is that --gui_rpc_port be different for each instance.
Note: The use of the start command also allows affinity to be set when the application is launched if you wish to do so.

7) Connect to the desired project(s) and away you go. To use BOINC Manager you would use the option for "Select Computer" and use localhost:31416, localhost:31417, & localhost:31418. You can start a BOINC Manager instance for each BOINC instance if you wish, but never found the use in doing that.

Please note that since each folder is now also the data folder the app_info.xml and opt apps will go in directories such as:
D:\Boinc\projects\setiathome.berkeley.edu\
D:\Boinc2\projects\setiathome.berkeley.edu\
D:\Boinc3\projects\setiathome.berkeley.edu\

If you already have an instance of BOINC installed and want to keep your current data folder intact. There are a few options. Uninstall BOINC, keeping a copy of the program folder & following the instructions listed above. then move your data directory under the \BOINC\ instance you want to keep it in.

Standard registry editing warning applies here. If you don't know what you are doing in there stay out.
Alternatively you can edit your registry removing all instances of the "Space Sciences Laboratory, U.C. Berkeley" keys. Which may need to be done after an uninstall. At present I would need to run that process again to be sure. Then move your data and program folders.

Warnings & Important Notes:
1) Your computer be listed as many times as you have instances of BOINC. Such as 2, 3, or more.
2) As each instances looks like a different machine each one will have separate stats. So if you split an 8 CPU system into two 4 CPU instances you will have the stats for such.
4339) Message boards : Number crunching : Excluding VLAR's for ATI (Message 1185682)
Posted 16 Jan 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
No as the name states its a rescheduler not an avoidance tool. Set the rescheduler to always move VLAR WU's to CPU and VHAR to GPU and reschedule. Why make this more complicated than it has to be.


I don't want the Vlar task to be downloaded.
I don't run them on this Computor.

I run CPU tasks on my I7 , but that computor is in another Town...
So re-scheduling Vlar tasks to that computor would be very difficult for me I guess..

If you don't want to download VLAR tasks then your only option would be to set 'no new tasks'. Picking and choosing which tasks you want to run because they give you more credit is called "cherry picking". Which is highly frowned upon. I think people that did this exclusively in the past were banned for cherry picking.

NVIDIA cards don't get sent VLAR tasks as it seems some people were having issues where their systems would come to a halt or something to that effect when processing VLAR tasks. Hence the reason they are even marked as .vlar I believe. Until S@H officially supports ATI hardware it would seem there is no option to do this as well for them. Luckily ATI cards/drivers don't have the same issues as NVIDIA ones. They process them. They just take longer, just as they would on the CPU.
4340) Message boards : Number crunching : limits (Message 1185536)
Posted 15 Jan 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
My limit on workunits in progress seems to be dropping. A month ago, my best computer was usually at 800 units in progress. Right now it has 401. Over the last hour, it has requested new work roughly every five minutes. Some of those requests are met with the Project has no tasks available response, but most get This computer has reached a limit on tasks in progress. It did manage to download one new task, but that was immediately after it uploaded a finished one.

Hmm, new thought. When Boinc asks for work, does it report how many tasks it has on hand for ALL projects, or just the one it's asking? This host does have a bunch of Einsteins right now, but I've been thinking it got those because it couldn't get Setis.

The client wouldn't need to tell the server how many tasks it has as they are assigned by the server. So if there are ghost tasks your count goes up without the client even being aware of the tasks the server assigned to you.

With other projects running that is more than likely the cause of what is going on. I am seeing my 24, 8, 4, & 2 core systems at, or near, their CPU * 50 limits
4341) Message boards : Number crunching : app_info.xml question (Message 1185535)
Posted 15 Jan 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
What you want to do is not impossible, but would require someone to write some software to handle assigning affinity on the fly.

The nest issue you would have is knowing which "CPU" is real and which one is virtual/HT. Hopefully the OS doesn't move these around on each reboot.
While I doubt that the wish of the original poster will prove productive, the affinity thing is simple, as someone already has written software to handle assigning affinity on the fly.

I think you'll find that the free version of Process Lasso is more than able to do this task (it will nag you a little to consider upgrading to a pair version, but not much).

As to the second point in my quote, I'm of the impression that there is no substantive difference between the even and odd CPU instances in terms of practical application performance. Choosing all evens for the SSSE3X and all odds for the SSE4 executable would give the desired assignment, and I predict that flipping to the opposite even/odd allocation would give the same system behavior and performance--but please report if you try it.

By the way, I use a paid copy of Process Lasso to implement a rather different scheme aimed at efficient coexistence of GPU and CPU Einstein tasks on an HT host. On a four physical core host running HT, I allow only four CPU tasks and use PL to assign them to one side of each core at low priority. I assign the CPU support tasks for the (3) GPU tasks to the other side (with higher priority), along with all other tasks I notice taking appreciable resource (at their individual default priorities). For my personal case, this setup has given good performance with good responsiveness, and delivers essentially all the GPU performance available on my host even were I to shut down all CPU BOINC tasks.

I imagine there may be other applications out there to do this job than Process Lasso, and I can offer no comparison--I saw it mentioned here, tried it, liked it, paid for it, and continue to run it.

I figured there would be some kind of software that does this already & lasso does seem to be vaguely familiar. Hopefully that will do exactly what they want to do.

Currently out of the 6 i7-860 system I have I am running 1 with HT on and only running 4 threads. I still have further to go, but over the past few months I am really only seeing 3% more output on a similar machine running 8 tasks. Also I found on my system that it looks like the actual cores are CPUs 0,1,2,3. As when I ran a single instance on each "core" and watched the temp. With 0 & 4 heating up core 0, 1 & 5 heating up core 1, 3 & 6 heating up core 2, & then 4 & 7 heating up core 3.
4342) Message boards : Number crunching : Join Date Rank? (Message 1185533)
Posted 15 Jan 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Unable to login to Free-DC.

No problems with others.

Anyone knows why?

I haven't been able to access Free-DC for a few days now. I figured they must have had a explosion or something similar. Each one of the stat sites is pretty much independent of eachother. So we will have to wait until they post somewhere, or we can get info 3rd party from someone they know.
4343) Message boards : Number crunching : New laptop setup help Radeon GPU (Message 1185409)
Posted 15 Jan 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I am surprised you were able to get newer drivers for a 6xxxM GPU. I am stuck at 10.8 for my HD6350. I've been hoping they would release newer drivers, but so far they have only been sending out new control center software.

One thing that could be an issue is the max workgroup size for the GPU. If it is below 256 then I don't think the standard app will work. There is/was an app that was being tested for lower end GPUs, but I haven't keep up on it.
4344) Message boards : Number crunching : Ramdisk (Message 1185403)
Posted 15 Jan 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The 6.12 series of client seperated the wu info out to another file to reduce the amount of data needing to be updated. From memory there is a file called client_state_wus that gets rewritten now to cut down on the size. It's also supposed to take into account your checkpoint interval, so if you increase it the file doesn't get written to as often.

As others have said there is little point in using a ram disk for SETI and you'd have more free memory for the apps to use.

Did they start that in 6.13.xx or 7.x maybe? I haven't seen this in 6.12.33 or 6.12.43.

As a performance issue I don't see a RAMdisk to be much of one. Unless you are running one of those large multi-GPU systems. Then there might be a increase greater than 1%.

4345) Message boards : Number crunching : app_info.xml question (Message 1185401)
Posted 15 Jan 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
:-)

I've been on the BOINC web site soliciting ideas on how to run 2 BOINCs on windows-7. There is excellent help on doing this on Linux but I am still learning how to do it on Windows ...

As I mentioned last year in another thread (long since lost in the archives) ...

It SEEMES to me that running on Intel HT CPU's is an O.K. idea because you get about a 20% improvement in total throughput. But, that improvement SEEMS like it's just by the lucky chance of the arriving instruction stream ... if you are running the SAME code on both sides of the CPU.

If one could run let's say ssse3 code on "CPUs" 0,2,4,6 and, (I.m guessing), say sse4 code on "CPU's" 1,2,3,7 that this would improve the chances of arriving, different, instruction streams not demanding the same hardware data paths, and thus improving the HT performance.

Sooooooooo I'm attempting to run 2 BOINC's one with the boinc.exe process set to affinity 0,2,4,6 and the 2nd BOINCs boinc.exe process's affinity set to 1,3,5,7.

It would be FUN to see if some combination of threads would produce a better than 20% HT improvement.

(O.K. say I'm crazy, BUT it MAY be worth a shot IF I can find some combination of 2 BOINCs or app_info ... or some why to test this idea. I'm contemplating running 2 VM's 1 Windows-7 and 1 SUSE as the last desperate solution!!!)

If you or ANYONE knows of a way to do this,(that my poor pea brain can handle) PLEASE LET ME KNOW!!!

Ed F

Running 2 instances of BOINC in windows is rather simple. Once you get away from using the BOINC installer.

There is a slight issue with your plans. As BOINC just starts and stops applications. So assigning affinity to boinc.exe will not do anything for you. As each process it started and stopped as, say AK_v8b2_win_x64_SSSE3x.exe, runs a task. If you didn't mean to say BOINC and were referring to in the S@H apps instead. Then you would have to sit there and assign the affinity to each AK_v8b2_win_x64_SSSE3x.exe as it was started. While it is easy enough to set affinity on a running app that ends as soon as it is closed. Like once the processing of a task is finished.

What you want to do is not impossible, but would require someone to write some software to handle assigning affinity on the fly.

The nest issue you would have is knowing which "CPU" is real and which one is virtual/HT. Hopefully the OS doesn't move these around on each reboot.
4346) Message boards : Number crunching : 6.10.58 download on Boinc.edu is 320K help! (Message 1185271)
Posted 14 Jan 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
You could read the instructions for cc_config.xml. So that you remember to include all of the tags like options. ;)

I think i have a copy of the installer for 6.10.58, but it is at work. So no go until Monday on that. However, I do have the files that the installer spits out I could send you if you wanted. Maybe you could run the x86 installer and then drop the files into the \Boinc folder or something. I never like running the installer. Which is why I normally just drop the files on the machine and go.

4347) Message boards : Number crunching : app_info.xml question (Message 1185265)
Posted 14 Jan 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
You could have a different application for each <version_num>. So you could have an app_info with:
    <app_version>
        <app_name>setiathome_enhanced</app_name>
        <version_num>603</version_num>
        <file_ref>
           <file_name>AKv8b2_x64_S3x.exe</file_name>
            <main_program/>
        </file_ref>
    </app_version>
    <app_version>
        <app_name>setiathome_enhanced</app_name>
        <version_num>701</version_num>
        <file_ref>
           <file_name>AKv9??_x64_???.exe</file_name>
            <main_program/>
        </file_ref>
    </app_version>


If you wanted to a mix of both apps at the same time you would need to run two instances of BOINC and divide your resources.

Edit: The big question is why would you want to run both at the same time.
4348) Message boards : Number crunching : Ramdisk (Message 1185081)
Posted 13 Jan 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
As there is only a disk write ever x seconds, the default is every 60 IIRC, the disk doesn't slow things down much. Granted the operation of loading a task up to start might get shaved a few milliseconds.

I mostly a ram disk in situation where I want to keep the disk writes down and/or to keep the drive from getting fragmented.

I like the dataram application & have used it some time now. Generally I use their setting of writing to the disk image once an hour. If the system is on an UPS I use as high as 48 hours.
4349) Message boards : Number crunching : "reached a limit on tasks in progress" (Message 1184751)
Posted 12 Jan 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
something is all hosed up again on the server side as my small queues are draining again this morning...

I'm sorry it must have been my machine sucking up all of the work. Looking at the logs from overnight for my machines most of them are bouncing off of their limits & I don't see any failed connections to the scheduler. Also I only seem to have 13 transfers across the ~30 machines.

Do you have a lot of active transfers? Which would cause BOINC not to request new tasks. I remember that n cups * 2 is one of the formulas used to stop requesting work, but I think that is for uploads.
4350) Message boards : Number crunching : i cant connect (Message 1184583)
Posted 11 Jan 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
i cant connect?

:(

If you don't know how will we know?
4351) Message boards : Number crunching : New rig issues (Message 1184409)
Posted 10 Jan 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Not sure why it would be saying that then. There are are no other programs running in the background. Red is a dedicated cruncher, so its just a bare XP box.

Yeah I'm not sure. I have never seen that in my system with a GT 8500 256MB card running windows 7 with aero. If I try to watch something on youtube that is another story and I have to snooze the GPU to do that.

Maybe a reboot or poke it with a stick? Could be something goofy in that version driver possibly? Is 275 the newest drive your configuration likes?
4352) Message boards : Number crunching : New rig issues (Message 1184401)
Posted 10 Jan 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Ok, I've got some of the issues worked out with the rig, but now I have a new issue.

What the heck does (waiting on GPU memory) mean?

I'm getting that on one of the cards even when only one GPU is running.

IIRC that means to much of your GPU memory is in use by other things. Such as games, flash things in web pages, or maybe even windows aero. So BOINC is waiting for sufficient free GPU memory before letting the application start.
4353) Message boards : Number crunching : Request for Assistence (Message 1184378)
Posted 10 Jan 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Good Morning,

Not receiving tasks. Tried to work "advanced/Local options" thingy. No luck.

Would greatly appreciate any helpful advice/assistence.

Thank you.


Ron Tillman


Well if you were running into the "project has no tasks" or not being able to connect to the server that could have been it. I see at the moment you got 1 new task today "10 Jan 2012 | 21:12:48 UTC". So it looks like either you fixed it or the issue went away for you, maybe.
Hopefully you will be able to get some work on a regular basis now.
4354) Message boards : Number crunching : Kepler SETI Candidate Signals (Message 1184374)
Posted 10 Jan 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
In the News Section Eric Korpela writes that a student is writing a splitter to enable SETI@home volunteers to crunch Kepler data. Wait and see.
Tullio

So if they write it and everything work well then they get an A? Otherwise we give them an F.... Yeah that sounds good. :)
4355) Message boards : Number crunching : Apple g3 rebuild (Message 1184209)
Posted 10 Jan 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Good luck with your project. It is something I always wanted to do with a G3 or G4 case. They were to much $ when I was looking to do that.

Now I would prefer a G5 or Mac Pro case to use instead. However with Intel hardware already in there I don't see it as much of a challenge.
4356) Message boards : Number crunching : OpenCL team (Message 1184208)
Posted 10 Jan 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Quick question, and made to this forum since it's the only realistically active one. I've crunched a few WUs on my Intel/ATI CPU/GPU and belonged to an essentially dead team. I decided to form my own team called OpenCL Advocates. Nothing against Cuda it's just that OpenCL is what I have to work with. I formed my team and quit my dead team, but I haven't figured out a way to transfer my existing credits to my new team. Any suggestions? And oh by the way, you're always welcome to join OpenCL Advocates "wink, wink, say no more, say no more" ... obvious pandering. This team might get interesting as we involve non-gpu OpenCL enabled devices.

Doug

Your credit is part of your account. So it goes wherever you go. Sometimes there is a delay between the information we see on the website in one section verses another. That is probably what you are running into right now. There could also be something wonky with the servers since they seemed to have locked up over the weekend. Which looks like it was around the time you made the new team. If would say if it hasn't sorted itself out in a few days then you might want to contact someone one of the guys in the lab.

On a side note NVIDIA GPUs can run OpenCL as well. I think the NVIDIA AP app is OpenCL, but I'm not 100% sure.
4357) Message boards : Number crunching : "reached a limit on tasks in progress" (Message 1184111)
Posted 9 Jan 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
50 per CPU core, and 400 per GPU are the current limits. Double CPU's help, such as GTX 295's, as they double the amount of work allowed.

Steve


Does it detect HT on/off or app_info changes? Is that actual physical core or thread?

If you don't modify anything it will use the total # of cores, virtual and real. If you have imposed a limit via "use at most x% of CPUs" or have limited the processors in your cc_config.xml then that will be used.

If is you set use at most 75% of CPUs, in a 8 core system, and have BOINC to not use 1 of 2 GPUs for S@H. Then you would get 300 CPU and 400 GPU tasks instead of 400 & 800.
4358) Message boards : Number crunching : 2012 Ultimate Cruncher "PC"? (Message 1183945)
Posted 9 Jan 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
How will you get 12 GPUs in one system? Six dual chip GPU cards?

Very carefully, Correct, now guess on how they're to be cooled and powered...


Cooled by the ice chill of space and powered by a small star.
4359) Message boards : Number crunching : CPU cooling issues (Message 1183720)
Posted 8 Jan 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
WHO CARES QUIT CRYING LIKE LITTLE GIRLS...the computer died.....so what....fix it, shut up...and get along.....


Next computer problem, challenge, PLEASE

:)

+1
4360) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (64) Server problems? (Message 1183718)
Posted 8 Jan 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Yea, it looks like pretty much everything is jammed up now.

But look on the bright side, the boards still work.


Yes, At least we can gripe about it! :)

I had noticed on the 6th that one of my machines credit was remaining flat. I didn't give it to much thought until the 7th when it was still flat. Then I looked at the stats for several other machines. They were either flat or much lower than average compared to their "normal". However a few machines are doing just fine.

Perhaps there is an issue with the validators, much like the AP validator issue that was (or maybe still is) going on, that is causing a hang up on the server side. Causing some tasks to not get processed as quickly as they would be. However, With the count for "Workunits waiting for validation" rather low this doesn't seems like it is the issue.

4361) Message boards : Number crunching : i7 Hyperthreading + GPU + Most Efficient Seti Workload (Message 1183560)
Posted 7 Jan 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Update

OK, going back to the older CUDA client seems to crash Second Life more so I've switched back to the x41g client. I have raised a bug issue with the Second Life viewer team and will see what gets resolved from that end.

Cheers

Mark


I prefer the phoenix viewer myself. Perhaps it, or one of the other 3rd party viewers, doesn't have this issue?


But does phoenix viewer have a linux version?


Both of their viewers do seem to support linux.
Here is the link to their site:
http://www.phoenixviewer.com/downloads.php

Over the years I found the 3rd party guys to have a lot more stable version of software and actually more willing to fix issues.

It may not fix any issues with running CUDA but I figured I would put it out there in the event it does.
4362) Message boards : Number crunching : i7 Hyperthreading + GPU + Most Efficient Seti Workload (Message 1183440)
Posted 7 Jan 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Update

OK, going back to the older CUDA client seems to crash Second Life more so I've switched back to the x41g client. I have raised a bug issue with the Second Life viewer team and will see what gets resolved from that end.

Cheers

Mark


I prefer the phoenix viewer myself. Perhaps it, or one of the other 3rd party viewers, doesn't have this issue?
4363) Message boards : Number crunching : Case on or case off... (Message 1183438)
Posted 7 Jan 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
...That is the question.

Got a feeling it can be a bad thing to have it open as a closed case more accurately directs the air-flow the right way.

I'm currently top-fan-less so more prone to temp issues for a bit.

I would guess those most of the moderns cases these days do better with the side on. Helping to pull cool air in from the front to draw across the CPU and then out the back. Where with the side off the rear fan would just blow air out the back without it going across the CPU as much.

In the past with older cases I had they did better with the panels off. However these days all of my panels are in place unless I am doing stuff.

Being Mine was meant as an HTPC case originally, It gets cooler with the top off, but then there's dust and cat hair to deal with and there's the cat, in the daytime when I'm here I could leave It open, the rest of the time, no way, Grace likes to jump and poke around, open doors or at least make the attempt to make noise by opening a door slightly. And Grace loves to chew on cables If She can.


I can understand that. Most of the HTPC cases I have looked at seem like they wouldn't work well for a high powered machine that runs S@H 24/7. So I am just using a mid tower and have it sitting next to my TV stand.

I considered water cooling if I got one of those cases so I would hang the radiator outside of the TV stand. I would guess with water cooling it wouldn't matter if the side was on or off at that point..

4364) Message boards : Number crunching : Bad GPU overflow results validating aginst eachother fixed? (Message 1183436)
Posted 7 Jan 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Yes I wasn't concerned about "initial replication 3" I just couldn't think of a good title at the time.

Having gone back and looked at the results I found my result was different that the 2nd one.

My result was:
Spike count: 20
Pulse count: 10
Triplet count: 0
Gaussian count: 0

The other two were:
Spike count: 30
Pulse count: 0
Triplet count: 0
Gaussian count: 0

I am guessing since all the results ended with an overflow they closely match after all where.

It just seemed like they had done something on the back end to fix one of the problems we have with GPUs overflowing work and validating against each other when it is just a case of GPUs not being able to handle the work.

Edit: Changed the title to reflect more of what I thought I saw.
4365) Message boards : Number crunching : Case on or case off... (Message 1183342)
Posted 7 Jan 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
...That is the question.

Got a feeling it can be a bad thing to have it open as a closed case more accurately directs the air-flow the right way.

I'm currently top-fan-less so more prone to temp issues for a bit.

I would guess those most of the moderns cases these days do better with the side on. Helping to pull cool air in from the front to draw across the CPU and then out the back. Where with the side off the rear fan would just blow air out the back without it going across the CPU as much.

In the past with older cases I had they did better with the panels off. However these days all of my panels are in place unless I am doing stuff.
4366) Message boards : Number crunching : CPU cooling issues (Message 1183302)
Posted 6 Jan 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:


Mine all run 'side-off'...with added fans to coax the cooler ambient air to where it is required.
Frequent 'dust bunny' (kitty fur) hunts are required......LOL.


I too run with the side off, AND I have a 500 mm fan (ok it's a 20" box fan ;) ) in place of the side cover.


At one point in time I had used a vacuum cleaner motor to pull air through a case. It was a big excessive in noise and power usage though.
4367) Message boards : Number crunching : CPU cooling issues (Message 1183221)
Posted 6 Jan 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
However overheating other components in the process would ultimately be a bad thing.


...and this has been the nature of my experiences (and forgive me if I ever disagree with an engineer).

I just look at 7 machines near me in my lab and there are 5 different cooling setups.

That is why standards are good. Because there are so many of them.
4368) Message boards : Number crunching : Bad GPU overflow results validating aginst eachother fixed? (Message 1183218)
Posted 6 Jan 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
No, this is a long-standing bit of bad labelling common to all BOINC websites. If you look at your invalidated tasks, you'll see that they seem to have an initial replication of 3 too.

The true "initial" replication at SETI is always 2, but after a validation failure (or whenever an extra task is issued, such as after a deadline is missed), the value is incremented: it should perhaps be labelled as "current replication", or some such.

In the case of WU 901697423, the third copy was actually computed by the stock v6.03 CPU application, so I think that you can take it that this was a genuinely noisy dataset.


I wasn't really caught up on the initial being 3 part. I have seen that for invalid tasks and didn't really give it much thought.

It just seemed more like they were doing checking for a -9 overflows on GPUs. Having looked more into it I see I had an overflow exit, but with different results than the other two.
4369) Message boards : Number crunching : Bad GPU overflow results validating aginst eachother fixed? (Message 1183204)
Posted 6 Jan 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I had my machine with a GT8500 hiccup and trash a load of work. So I was looking over all of the valid/pending tasks. In one of the valid ones I came across one where it had an initial replication of 3.
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/workunit.php?wuid=901697423
When I looked at it I saw the first two were from GPUs which exited with -9 overflows.

Is this something they did on the back end to help prevent tasks getting put in the rubbish due to GPU -9 issues?

Workunit info for once the task goes away:
Task		Computer	Sent				Time reported or deadline explain	Status				Run time (sec)	CPU time (sec)	Credit	Application
2249941843	5530010		6 Jan 2012 | 6:22:18 UTC	6 Jan 2012 | 8:22:44 UTC		Completed and validated		55.71		17.43		0.57	SETI@home Enhanced Anonymous platform (NVIDIA GPU)
2249941844	6100519		6 Jan 2012 | 6:22:18 UTC	6 Jan 2012 | 7:51:02 UTC		Completed and validated		27.43		17.27		0.57	SETI@home Enhanced v6.10 (cuda_fermi)
2250282645	4977985		6 Jan 2012 | 11:37:17 UTC	6 Jan 2012 | 11:42:32 UTC		Completed and validated		44.15		39.80		0.57	SETI@home Enhanced v6.03
4370) Message boards : Number crunching : AMD CPU issue (Message 1183067)
Posted 6 Jan 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The name of "Phenom II X4 B55" is probably just one that is listed in the microcode name list, but was never released as a specific product. At least in retail. It could be a custom OEM product/name that just gets pulled up when option in the BIOS are selected for unlocking cores & such.

EDIT: Oh and for weird MB/CPU stuff I have a system at work with a Core 2 Duo that sometimes boots up and thinks it has 3 cores.
4371) Message boards : Number crunching : 36 s@h downloads in 27 sec's ?? (Message 1183020)
Posted 5 Jan 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
What's going on in California?? I'm getting exceedingly fast downloads today??

Ed F

OK you jinxed it. So the next time the bandwidth is maxed out due to a shortie storm or AP tasks going out again can be blamed on you. :)
4372) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (64) Server problems? (Message 1182933)
Posted 5 Jan 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Today I am getting 05/01/2012 07:10:47 SETI@home Scheduler request failed: Couldn't connect to server
05/01/2012 07:10:49 Internet access OK - project servers may be temporarily down.
Yet everything seems to be ok so what is ging on?

Looking at the log on my machine that keeps asking for work ever 5ish minutes I see several of those messages the past few hours.
4373) Message boards : Number crunching : I7 aftermarket Heatsink fans (Message 1182931)
Posted 5 Jan 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I bought a Thermalright Venomous X RT for my i7-860. The included TR-FBD-1000 does a good job for me keeping things cool at 3.8GHz with nearly no noise. I expect I would need more than 39CFM to push it further. I would probably bump up to a higher volume single fan instead of adding a 2nd for push-pull operation.

My 2 cents for you.

Thanks for info. What temp dose your cpu sit at under load & how do you adjust the fan speed?

At 3.8GHz I get around 60C on the cores with the thermostat set to 73F. I let the bios/windows handle the fan speed. Which is fine for me. Even at full speed the system is the quietest thing in the room. With it being my HTPC quiet operation is one of my most important factors.
The loudest thing in the room is the kitties drinking fountain. Which is just a trickle of water.

4374) Message boards : Number crunching : I7 aftermarket Heatsink fans (Message 1182921)
Posted 5 Jan 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I bought a Thermalright Venomous X RT for my i7-860. The included TR-FBD-1000 does a good job for me keeping things cool at 3.8GHz with nearly no noise. I expect I would need more than 39CFM to push it further. I would probably bump up to a higher volume single fan instead of adding a 2nd for push-pull operation.

My 2 cents for you.
4375) Message boards : Number crunching : Work still hanging around in the DB (Message 1182872)
Posted 4 Jan 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I've got quite a few that do need a swift kick. Some of them are ones where I have granted credit and others are pending, and then there are ones where others have credit and I am the pending. Looks like about 40 between my MB and AP tasks. The only time this has bothered me is when I wanted to delete a few retired machines with the limbo tasks.
4376) Message boards : Number crunching : can I split one gpu on a multi-gpu system? (Message 1182803)
Posted 4 Jan 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
AFAIK the only way to do this would be to run each GPU in a separate instance of BOINC.
4377) Message boards : Number crunching : Download servers seems to be on drugs. (Message 1182756)
Posted 4 Jan 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I'd love to agree that SETI has done something fundamental to improve download rates, but the cricket graph is far from maxed out. I suspect it is just the lack of AP and shorties being produced at present which leaves plenty of bandwidth for normal MBs to be rapidly downloaded as there are fewer requests to the server due to the absence of shorties.

The graph not being maxed out is "normal" when there isn't a flood of shorties and/or AP. Which we haven't seen for at least a few months. Baring any other ongoing issues. Once they spool up some more AP work it will be pegged once again.
4378) Message boards : Number crunching : Download servers seems to be on drugs. (Message 1182750)
Posted 4 Jan 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I don't know if anyone else have noticed the same as I have. I'm getting very good download speeds now, after the outage, 50-80KB.

I wonder if they did something to the download servers during the outage? If they did, whatever it was, it works bigtime.

I was going to say that nothing changed for me, as I was getting those speeds before. However it does seem as though they feed the servers some ex-lax as I am getting transfers in the 150-220k range now at home and work.
4379) Message boards : Number crunching : Free the beast? (Message 1182626)
Posted 3 Jan 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I freed my first beast i have with windows 7 64 bit....my benchmark numbers doubled?????

:)

If you switched from x86 to x64 the benchmarks are not comparable. Also different versions of BOINC generate different numbers based on the code they put in for the calculations.

Many moons ago I compared benchmarks using 6.10.43 & 6.10.58 with x86 and x64 platforms on the same hardware. At that time 6.10.58 gave lower numbers than did 6.10.43. With the x64 versions generating high numbers than the x86 versions. Benchmarks between different OS's on the same platform were not different. In that XP x64, Vista x64, & Windows 7 x64 generated roughly the same numbers. withing the normal variance between benchmarks.

I haven't tested any of the newer versions since then. As I don't let my machine run weeks benchmarks anymore.
4380) Message boards : Number crunching : Do I need to abort all tasks in my caches? (Message 1182610)
Posted 3 Jan 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

Might needs to manually up the the <authenticator></authenticator> section in the account_setiathome.berkeley.edu.xml for each box?

I edited account_setiathome.berkeley.edu.xml manually and put the strong authentication key from the SETI website in the authenticator line and that server was then able to report in. Anyone know of an automated way to do this? Is there a way with boinccmd? I have over 150 servers to update.

boinccmd --quit
copy source\account_setiathome.berkeley.edu.xml destination\account_setiathome.berkeley.edu.xml /Y
boinc.exe --skip_cpu_benchmarks --detach

The file doesn't contain any host information. So it will be the same for each machine.
4381) Message boards : Number crunching : Is it possible to run a offline cruncher? (Message 1182592)
Posted 3 Jan 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Otherwise install a client on a usb-stick, download wu's on that stick and copy the whole bunch on the computer at work. Not sure it works.

Shouldn't be a problem when bandwidth is the only issue.

This one works if you have the same OS on both computers (on Linux Machines anyway).
You have to install BOINC to the stick, making sure you have both the BOINC and BOINC_DATA directories on the stick, then you can move it from box to box.

I don't know if this arrangement will handle CUDA or not

I have done this to copy work from a slow computer I wanted to shut down to a faster one in order to get it finished off and out of the way.

T.A.

In the windows version they have the data directory stated in a registry entry. So if you run it off a removable drive which changes letters then it can get a bit messy.

The best way I found to avoid this is remove the registry keys for BOINC after installation. Then run it and connect to your project(s). That way the \BOINC program folder will also be the data folder. Then any machine you connect the removable drive to won't need registry entries to know where the data folder is located.
The issue with that is the internet connected machine used for data transfer would preferably also be setup this way. So you could close the running instance on that box. Then run the portable one to up/download files. Then remove it and run the instance on that machine again.

I did this for a bit running the router memory issues when my work connection couldn't access the project. As I already had my machines setup this way it was easy for me to stop the 22 machines and then copy them to one machine over the network. Then rar everything up to take home on my flash drive. The last file I still have back from September is only 1.5GB for all of those machines.
4382) Message boards : Number crunching : Free the beast? (Message 1182557)
Posted 3 Jan 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
my wingmen are slow

:)

I resemble that remark! :P
4383) Message boards : Number crunching : Do I need to abort all tasks in my caches? (Message 1182526)
Posted 3 Jan 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Does anyone know how to correctly change an email address if you are using an account manager like BAM! with weak authenticator keys?

That's the culprit! By changing your email address, you change your account key as well, but only the main account key is updated automatically, the weak account keys have to be updated manually.

I'm not sure if an account manager can help you with that.

Gruß,
Gundolf

Might needs to manually up the the <authenticator></authenticator> section in the account_setiathome.berkeley.edu.xml for each box?

I had a machine do this to me out of the blue one day. I ended up just blowing away the BOINC folder and starting over. Then once I merged the new machine account with the old one I got resends.
4384) Message boards : Number crunching : Is it possible to run a offline cruncher? (Message 1182524)
Posted 3 Jan 2012 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
It's definitely possible.
Search through boards I made quite detailed instruction how to do this some time ago.

I also have some instructions for doing this in my profile.

At some point I plan to make it a page on my site. Along with some other things like how to run BOINC in WinPE with GPUs.
4385) Message boards : Number crunching : Multiple Identities Assigned Same Computer Today (Message 1181168)
Posted 28 Dec 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I think a full uninstall including registry entries followed by a reinstall would temporarily cure the problem but whats to prevent it from re-occurring? Besides dealing with removing orphaned work units and downloading more can be a hassle especially with recent download, upload and reporting problems.

I have a feeling this is a server side SNAFU. That is why I decided not to merge the machines the last time it occurred.

Well my guess as to this being a server issue may not be correct. My machine that keeps doing this did it again on the 26th. So I went ahead and merged all 3 of them. If it isn't a server issue then I am really confused. A few months ago I replace the HD, installed a new OS (changed from XP x86 to 7 x64), & blew away everything to start BOINC from scratch. I did name the machine the same... maybe they just don't like my machine name. Who knows. /me screams in silence.
4386) Message boards : Number crunching : Possible use for a RAM drive? (Message 1181162)
Posted 28 Dec 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Some companies do make dedicated add in cards where you fill them with the amount of memory you with to use for your drive. They normally include battery modules and external power connections to prevent data loss. So you wouldn't need to get a server that supports 1TB of ram or such. You could just toss ones of these cards in each machines that needed a really fast drive to churn though data.

The big disadvantage is cost. Just having a quick look at Registered ECC dimms 8GB $150-$200, 16GB $380-$575, 32GB ~$2800. Using 16GB dimms to just make a 128GB drive would be near $3000. That kind of money can get a few enterprise class SSDs of larger size.

I have no doubt that a nice big ram drive would cut down the drive lag to nothing. I would guess the drive interconnect that is in use, FibreChannel or whatever, would get saturated long before the bandwidth of the RAM drive was fully utilized.
4387) Message boards : Number crunching : ddr3 ram? (Message 1180800)
Posted 26 Dec 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I'm running 12 Gig of Corsair DDR3 2000, and many times after a reboot it will come up as 8 or 10 Gig during the POST. At first I pulled the RAM out and reseated it. When the problem persisted, I just watched the POST, then hit the reset button if less than 12 Gig showed up. It seemed to be BIOS related, and sometimes I may have to hit the reset button 5-6 times to get it correct, and others it's fine on the first try. Perhaps it has to do with the speed I'm running everything at. Everything is tweaked right to the limit before it goes unstable.

Steve

It could as You think need a bios update, Mines as updated as I could get It, the p55 cpu only supports up to 1333 and everything else above that is overclocked, so I thought 1333 would be good enough, of course I'm pushing the ram to 1500 @ what the the pc suggests for voltage and that's 1.5v, could I push on from 187 to 200? Maybe, but I'd have to increase the ram voltage some and the safe max there is 1.65v, so there isn't a lot of room really to get stability @ 200, besides My rac does seem to be finally going in the right direction, up.

I am running my 1333 stuff at 1600 with my i7-860, but it is supported via XMP. So all the timings and voltage are adjusted as part of the profile. It bumps the voltage up to 1.65v from 1.50v & the timings actually go down to 8-8-8 at 1600 from 9-9-9 at 1300. So it is win win for me I think.
4388) Message boards : Number crunching : Dose Bonic Rescheduler still work on Bonic V6.12.34 (Message 1180653)
Posted 25 Dec 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
It also works just fine in 6.12.43. Unless they change the structure of client_state.xml I don't see any reason why it would stop working any time in the near future.
4389) Message boards : Number crunching : ddr3 ram? (Message 1180652)
Posted 25 Dec 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Really weird. Here is some thing I came across the gskill forum site from someone that was using an Asus P7P55D-E LX & having the same issue.

For future reference, here is what I did to get it working correctly.

First: I reseated the modules twice without any affect either time.

Second: Then I pulled all the modules and figured out which ones were with which kit by serial numbers. I discovered that the modules from one kit were installed on DIMM_A1 and A2, while the other kit were installed on DIMM_B1 and B2.

I reinstalled both modules from one kit into the blue DIMM_A1 and B1 slots, and installed the other kit into the black DIMM_A2 and B2 slots. Could be just conincidence, but this is what ultimately worked.
4390) Message boards : Number crunching : ddr3 ram? (Message 1180553)
Posted 25 Dec 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I'm running 16GB of Red 1333MHz G.Skill Ripjaws DDR3 ram at 1500MHz

VW Bobier. You may want to check your ram in your i5 it's only showing 8190.05 MB.

BOINC has been doing that since they put the 16gb in the system.
4391) Message boards : Number crunching : Getting more out of the W7 290.53 driver... (Message 1180001)
Posted 22 Dec 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have always disliked when vendors extract things to C:\vendor\whatever I am trying to install/update without asking. For ATI/NIVIDA stuff I have been using winrar or 7zip to extract the drivers where I wanted them and then run their setup form there. If I wanted to use their setup. I'm not sure that would work in this case, but if it helps.

Why some of you guys want to be silly and not use C: for your root OS drive letter is beyond me. :P
I have always hated when people hard code values into things. Like installing windows in the early days where you had to have a floppy as A: to load controller drivers. "Arrrg I don't have a floppy drive in this system! Why can't I use my 32mb flash drive to load the drivers!?" Sometimes I still have to use VFD, virtual floppy drive, to do somethings these days.

Another option you could have tried, that is built into Windows 7, is making a virtual hard drive and mapping it to C:, like you did with your flash drive. Which you can access from Computer Management > Storage > Disk Management. Then either right click Disk Management or use the actions pane.
4392) Message boards : Number crunching : WinXPMode Virtual Machine in Win7 (Message 1178998)
Posted 18 Dec 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
It may not be so much that the i5 doesn't have the ability to do HT. More that Intel disables features in CPUs to fit the market segment they are being sold in.

Some found, back during the original S@H days, the P4 chips without HT could have two tasks run on them with some benefit. Where the PIII & PII chips did not.

You may be able to run multiple instances of XP mode to see if you gain anything.
4393) Message boards : Number crunching : Scarecrow's Graphs no longer being updated? (Message 1178946)
Posted 17 Dec 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hmmm....now I get a 'page not found' error...
And my banner kitties have gone missing too..(hosted on Scarecrow's server).

Same here for me also. Every Scarecrow page I had bookmarked is missing. I hope he is OK. I really like that Scarecrow!

Steve

Yeah, he's a swell guy indeed. Hope nothing is too amiss.

I would hazard a guess with the Apache test page on the root of the site that the webserver much have tossed its cookies. I don't mean the computery kind of cookies either. It's been that way for 1 or 2 days now. Maybe this is a new box being setup or something.
4394) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (63) Server problems? (Message 1178686)
Posted 16 Dec 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

Time for major panicing- Scarecrow's Graphs link gives me a 404 error for the last 12 hours or so.

If you go to the root domain you will see an apache test page. Looks like his/their webserver might have barfed.
4395) Message boards : Number crunching : Is this the new normal (Message 1178580)
Posted 16 Dec 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Perhaps placing the newer dll files in the folder and then making them read only would prevent BOINC from overwriting with the older files?

No, unfortunately it isn't as simple as that. Here are the files from the last time I tried this:

08/12/2011  16:49         8,636,928 cufft_23_win32.dll
08/12/2011  16:45           285,696 cudart_23_win32.dll
08/12/2011  16:45         2,859,008 setiathome_6.09_windows_intelx86__cuda23.exe

08/12/2011  16:28           389,120 cufft.dll
08/12/2011  16:28           192,512 cudart.dll
08/12/2011  16:28         1,445,888 setiathome_6.08_windows_intelx86__cuda.exe

Every time Cuda23 is run, those two _23_win32 DLLs are copied to the 'slot' (working) directory, and the copies are given the cufft.dll / cudart.dll names. Unfortunately, it's a part of Windows' design that the seti app 'sees' the files in the project directory before it sees the copies in the working directory.

If you renamed the files in the project directory, BOINC would reject then on security grounds, because the size and MD5 checksum wouldn't match.

And if you changed the size and MD5 expectations in client_state.xml, BOINC would just change them back again next time you downloaded fresh work.

No, the only solutions I can think of are to change the application deployment on the servers (we really need a cufft_10_win32.dll with copy and rename, as DA says), or to run anonymous/Lunatics.

I know this might defeat the purpose of using stock apps, but how about making an app_info.xml with the stock apps info. I am using the opt apps & see that when the dlls are copied to the slot folder they keep their name. A function of stating the files when using anonymous platforms I would guess.
Granted the lunatics opt apps are probably a better solution. It might be a viable patch for those that really wish to stick to the stock apps.
4396) Message boards : Number crunching : Pulleez stop the whining........... (Message 1178571)
Posted 16 Dec 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I thought the whining was part of the project. With as much of it as I see.
4397) Message boards : Number crunching : Is this the new normal (Message 1178541)
Posted 16 Dec 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Yeah "Optimus":( No, I haven't come across a way to disable it (but that doesn't mean there isn't one).

If that were the case, wouldn't the GPU load graph look like a seesaw?
Mine's flat @89-90% atm

'Optimus' is an extra aggravation, and may explain the lack of a driver version report by BOINC, but it shouldn't affect processing speed in any way - if there was any impact, I suspect it would be a run/don't run effect - and I've never had any problems running on my optimus laptop, whichever version of BOINC I've used.

No, I'm pretty sure the slow running is the result of the CUFFT.DLL issue I've just written about. That arose from seeing a similar problem on my host 3751792, which as you can see also has similar speeds for v6.08 and v6.09: the good news is that for my host, running "anonymous platform, nvidia GPU" (the Sunday-best name for the Lunatics apps) restores the expected speed doubling.

I guess we need check boxes for CUDA application versions like we do for the CPU applications. Then users could disable 6.08 if it was causing this issue for them.

Perhaps placing the newer dll files in the folder and then making them read only would prevent BOINC from overwriting with the older files?
4398) Message boards : Number crunching : No GPU work on one machine (Message 1178528)
Posted 16 Dec 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I spoke too soon. I got a few WUs and then the faucet closed up tight again. It's been 16 hours since a new WU has been received. Why always this flaky behavior???

Very odd I have been constantly bouncing off of the limit with mine.
4399) Message boards : Number crunching : Is this the new normal (Message 1178521)
Posted 16 Dec 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
No, no!!

No downclocking. GPU Load 80-90%. Temps are fine (no sign of dust-bunnies). Not producing errors.

What else can I check?

I asked in one of your threads if you able to disable the GPU switching feature on your notebook. To see if that fixed the driver display issue. Maybe it is doing something weird that is causing things to run longer.
4400) Message boards : Number crunching : Is this the new normal (Message 1178512)
Posted 16 Dec 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Sorry to bump this thread. And sorry I haven't discovered it earlier. But unfortunately I think I'm having the exact same problem as you Juan. The good news is I'm NOT using lunatics. I just hope that doesn't spoil your motivation for troubleshooting:)

Bad news is I'm having trouble with ALL tasks running at half speed. My APR is 12 instead of 25 (cuda23) but I know nothing about these things and don't know if that's any indication or not. And plain (cuda) seems to have appeared around the time the problem started (can't be sure when that was though, prob beginning of Nov). More bad news, I'm not connected to any other projects.

Shorties would take 1550 sec (195 CPU sec) for 26 credit.
Now taking 4150 sec (680 CPU sec) for 31 credit
Normal WU would take 7050 sec (680 CPU sec) for 112 credit.
Now taking 13,481 sec (2,036 CPU sec) 120 credit

This is why I have been posting questions like "Can a CUDA core burn out" and "Why is my driver version unknown"
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=66226
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=66364

I only have one host
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/show_host_detail.php?hostid=5550773
I have no idea what info to share so please fire away! For all intents and purposes assume you are talking to a noob. I'm in no hurry to fix this so please take your time.


Mahalo,
Alex

PS I have tried suspending CPU tasks while writing this post and though the task hasn't finished, it's not looking any speedier. Also when I "snooze GPU" shaders etc jump back to max but task takes over a minute to restart (wich is exactly how long a fresh task takes to "load"). Is that what it's supposed to do? Or should GPU load jump at the same time as the clocks?

So you are saying the clock speed for the shaders goes down when you are running CUDA tasks? That would defiantly be an issue for them taking longer. On my newer cards the clock speeds go down when idle and then ramp up when in use.
4401) Message boards : Number crunching : No Gpu WU's for almost 2 weeks now... Why? (Message 1178354)
Posted 15 Dec 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I havent received any gpu work units for almost 2 weeks now any my pcs. is there a reason?

There is always a reason. However have a quick look at your computers I see several of them have had GPU work on the 14th & 15th.
4402) Message boards : Number crunching : Scarecrow's Graphs no longer being updated? (Message 1178196)
Posted 15 Dec 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Works okay for me..
Last updated at Wed Dec 14 13:29:17 2011

What site are you viewing? I've been going here
http://www.bluenorthernsoftware.com/scarecrow/sahstats/graphs.php
http://www.bluenorthernsoftware.com/scarecrow/sahstats/page.html


All the Graphs say: (Graph updated 12/12/2011 15:02 UTC)

Claggy

Indeed that is why I wanted to know what was updated on the 14th.
4403) Message boards : Number crunching : Scarecrow's Graphs no longer being updated? (Message 1178159)
Posted 14 Dec 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Works okay for me..
Last updated at Wed Dec 14 13:29:17 2011

What site are you viewing? I've been going here
http://www.bluenorthernsoftware.com/scarecrow/sahstats/graphs.php
http://www.bluenorthernsoftware.com/scarecrow/sahstats/page.html
4404) Message boards : Number crunching : Daily Update - Wassup? (Message 1178122)
Posted 14 Dec 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Stats dump has occured. Prepare for the best (worst) day for a long time, when BOINCstats have imported the stats data.

All of the big dumps seem to be near the holidays. Which really throws my stat tracking off.
4405) Message boards : Number crunching : Old boinc or new version? (Message 1178086)
Posted 14 Dec 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
well since it looks like downgrading is the way to go, i decided to do it also...
ofcourse i didnt complete all tasks before doing it....so sorry to my wingmen for 26 'abandoned' tasks...

I downgraded my one machine that was on 6.12.34 last week to 6.10.60 and I didn't lose any of the work I had in progress. I uninstalled first, then installed, and when it started up all the work was still there.

I don't actually know, however, specifically what I downgraded. I just went to the page where you can download veriouos versions, got the 6.10.60 for Windows x86, and let it do its thing. I don't know if that installs Boinc, Boinc Manager, or both. Maybe I should read HAL9000's article about it.


i did the same thing...except i went for the x64 version...lost work for all projects :(

i think it reinstalls both client & manager...didnt find them seperate..

but i got over it by now, however i still do need help on the error when switching user thingy...

thx

By default all users are allowed to control BOINC, but here is where the option is in the installation.

4406) Message boards : Number crunching : Old boinc or new version? (Message 1178077)
Posted 14 Dec 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
well since it looks like downgrading is the way to go, i decided to do it also...
ofcourse i didnt complete all tasks before doing it....so sorry to my wingmen for 26 'abandoned' tasks...

I downgraded my one machine that was on 6.12.34 last week to 6.10.60 and I didn't lose any of the work I had in progress. I uninstalled first, then installed, and when it started up all the work was still there.

I don't actually know, however, specifically what I downgraded. I just went to the page where you can download veriouos versions, got the 6.10.60 for Windows x86, and let it do its thing. I don't know if that installs Boinc, Boinc Manager, or both. Maybe I should read HAL9000's article about it.

The BOINC installer installs the BOINC client & the Manager. When I change versions the only thing I notice is an extra line in the start up that says "Version change (6.12.33 -> 6.12.43)". Which is right after the app_info detection.
4407) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (63) Server problems? (Message 1178063)
Posted 14 Dec 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

California proxy:
69.163.96.2 8080

Regards,

A

Does this proxy work for anyone in the US? It stopped working for me several weeks ago.

Just tried it and works for me. However I was only getting 5-15k on transfers. Where I am getting 25-30k without the proxy.
4408) Message boards : Number crunching : server upload /download settings (Message 1178052)
Posted 14 Dec 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Basically, this is already in place. If scheduler assignments could be regulated against current bandwidth load, you wouldn't need any extra hardware, and minimal software changes. Granted, the "No Tasks Available due to exceeded bandwidth limit" message would have to be added, but if you were to get assigned tasks, they would figuratively fly on the download.

Basically it would go like this:

1) Client asks for work
2) Scheduler checks current bandwidth load (Cricket export?)
3) If less than defined maximum, assign tasks. If not, No Tasks Available.
4) Client downloads work or tries again in 5 minutes.

It actually might not even be that complex. A "WU Assignment Rate" could be setup within the scheduler. Give AP's a certain value, and MB another value (relative to their file size), and only allow X amount of assignments per minute. If that limit is reached, simply reply "No Tasks available" and try again in 5 minutes. This would take some fine tuning to find just the right setting, but shouldn't take long, and could probably be adjusted on the fly without needed to stop/start the scheduler.

BTW, it's 6:15 AM here, so this all might just be sleep deprived rambling...

I'm sure there are lots of solution that could be tried.

I like the token idea as it allows control of the down/uploads as well. Which I think would fix the wasted bandwidth of trying to down/upload the same file over and over again. As the client would only be allowed to connect to those servers if it had a valid token. Which should allow transfers to complete without getting bumped off since the down/upload servers won't be getting hammered. It is also more complex which might cause more problems than it solves too, but I have seen this kind of system in place where it worked very well.

Probably the easiest thing they could do right now is change the refill interval on the feeder. Maybe they could work a little script to dynamically adjust it from 1 to 10 minutes. While I am sure everyone would like it refill faster so they don't see those "project has no tasks" message. If the servers are working correctly & the bandwidth is maxed out it won't help anything to have tasks queued up that you can't download.
4409) Message boards : Number crunching : server upload /download settings (Message 1178019)
Posted 14 Dec 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I'll just say this......
From a purely 'common sense' point of view.
It would seem to me that limiting the number of concurrent connections and temporarily refusing the rest outright while fully supporting those made to completion would better utilize the limitations of the bandwidth we currently have available to the project.

This obviously is not the best or ultimate solution, only more available bandwidth would serve the project better. And then survey and hopefully correct whatever other bottlenecks become apparent at that point.


I've had this thought before & I still think it might be a good idea. Instead of the BOINC client connecting directly to the servers it would contact a token server that would issue the client a token to connect to the server it needs. Be it the scheduler, download, or upload server. Then the number of concurrent connections to each server could be controlled & those machines don't get hammered as the token server is the one getting beaten to death. The biggest issue I see with something like that working, besides all of the effort in coding it, is that everyone would need to use the version that supports it.
Why would a different version be required? Simply redirect all inquiries to the 'proxy' or interim server and have it handle things from there...
I think that is why a certain proxy server at one time was handling things wonderfully. (Not now working for me, for whatever reason).
It may have been cacheing comms and trying and retrying on it's own, and just passing forth what was successful to the host.

A new version would be required for the token handling & the client would initially be contacting tokenserver.ssl.berkeley.edu or such. Having a box on the incoming connection to regulate connections/bandwidth is another solution. Which is easier to implement as software for doing that already exists & doesn't require changing anything as it would be transparent.
4410) Message boards : Number crunching : server upload /download settings (Message 1178005)
Posted 14 Dec 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I'll just say this......
From a purely 'common sense' point of view.
It would seem to me that limiting the number of concurrent connections and temporarily refusing the rest outright while fully supporting those made to completion would better utilize the limitations of the bandwidth we currently have available to the project.

This obviously is not the best or ultimate solution, only more available bandwidth would serve the project better. And then survey and hopefully correct whatever other bottlenecks become apparent at that point.


I've had this thought before & I still think it might be a good idea. Instead of the BOINC client connecting directly to the servers it would contact a token server that would issue the client a token to connect to the server it needs. Be it the scheduler, download, or upload server. Then the number of concurrent connections to each server could be controlled & those machines don't get hammered as the token server is the one getting beaten to death. The biggest issue I see with something like that working, besides all of the effort in coding it, is that everyone would need to use the version that supports it.
4411) Message boards : Number crunching : Help wanted regarding BOINC-wide team (Message 1177833)
Posted 13 Dec 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The problem was that the daily team export was broken on the BWT server when they updated the operating system recently (after the RAID crash), hence why no project imported any teams. David fixed that.

Your team should show up in the next 24 hours. Fingers crossed. :)


Yes I can see it! Not only on SETI but on several other projects as well.

Thank you all. The problem is solved.


It is lucky that you were doing this. It could have gone unnoticed for a while & some people might have been wondering why it wasn't working.
4412) Message boards : Number crunching : Old boinc or new version? (Message 1177832)
Posted 13 Dec 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
last week I downgraded my fastest cruncher to 6.10.60 to avoid the long project backoffs. The other three manage fine on 6.12.34. I did even knoww you could run different versions of bionc and boinc manager.

The manager just connects to the BOINC as a client. I have a link to a write up I did for that in my profile if you want to give it a read. Not that you will need to use it having gone back to 6.10, but if you liked the 6.12 manager you could reverse the process the run the new manager with the old BOINC.
4413) Message boards : Number crunching : Why is "Driver Version Unknown"? (Message 1177814)
Posted 13 Dec 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I could look up when the change first came in, if you want.


To be brutally honest I'm not quite sure what this means, so I'm pretty sure that even if you do, that info will be waaay over my head:)

Jason managed to patch in a way that correct info would be displayed...

It's not a driver issue, but a BOINC issue.


Just to make sure I'm understanding you guys:
This is something "cosmetic" and I shouldn't be OCDing over it? Everything is working OK, it's just that BOINC can't display my driver version? If that's the case why does Sten's show up? I'm jealous;)
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/show_host_detail.php?hostid=6195452
Just kidding. That's a rhetorical question...

I was kinda hoping (for personal troubleshooting reasons) that ASUS made some kind of super-custom driver, that maybe even piggy-backs onto driver updates! Just goes to show you guys how much I know about drivers, heh?:)

Thanx everybody!

I imagine that his only has the 1 GPU. If you are able to disable the Intel GPU, and loose the GPU switching feature, that might fix the issue for you.
4414) Message boards : Number crunching : Help wanted regarding BOINC-wide team (Message 1177813)
Posted 13 Dec 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have a feeling this might be broken. I did a search just checking "show only active teams" and the result was "No teams were found matching your criteria. Try another search."
4415) Message boards : Number crunching : Multiple Identities Assigned Same Computer Today (Message 1177811)
Posted 13 Dec 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Did your "clones" eventually go away? Except for 1 with credit all others had zero credit and merged with no problem. Did any of yours continue to run concurrently and share in earning credit?

Machine never go away automatically. After 30 days you will have to hit the All Computers link to see the old ones, but they will remain until you delete them. Which requires all of the tasks on that ID to go away.

What I have seen is that all of the tasks that the machine processed that were assigned under the old ID were completed validated on the old ID. That might be what you are seeing when you say they are sharing credit. Unless the same task is assigned to both IDs.
4416) Message boards : Number crunching : Old boinc or new version? (Message 1177810)
Posted 13 Dec 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
BOINC 6.12.33
BOINC Manager 6.10.43

Most of my machines keep hitting their limit, but one or two have issues getting work, but everything keep going.
4417) Message boards : Number crunching : Multiple Identities Assigned Same Computer Today (Message 1177759)
Posted 13 Dec 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I think a full uninstall including registry entries followed by a reinstall would temporarily cure the problem but whats to prevent it from re-occurring? Besides dealing with removing orphaned work units and downloading more can be a hassle especially with recent download, upload and reporting problems.

I have a feeling this is a server side SNAFU. That is why I decided not to merge the machines the last time it occurred.
4418) Message boards : Number crunching : Why is "Driver Version Unknown"? (Message 1177731)
Posted 13 Dec 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have seen driver version information for other systems like yours. Maybe the driver you are using is to old to be detected correctly? Which version do you currently have installed?
4419) Message boards : Number crunching : Multiple Identities Assigned Same Computer Today (Message 1177684)
Posted 13 Dec 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I've seen this several times & have one machine that tends to do it often. I decided the last time that it did it I wouldn't merge in the event the issues is some error in the db for that computer ID. So far so good, but sometimes it could be months between occurrences or just a few hours. So I will just have to sit and wait to find out if it worked or not. :/
4420) Message boards : Number crunching : Best/Current Applications??? (Message 1177683)
Posted 13 Dec 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Recently I found myself thinking "I wish the CPU apps had a build number in the file name like the GPU apps do". For some time I had not realized AKv8b was released to replace AKv8.

I decided I would start adding the build number to the executable names since I rename them to make them shorter for my own purposes, like AKv8b2_x64_S3x.exe. Which I will probably make AKv8b2_x64_S3x(b386).exe
4421) Message boards : Number crunching : Help wanted regarding BOINC-wide team (Message 1177571)
Posted 12 Dec 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
You can make a team on each project instead of a BOINC wide team, but there will not be merging of credit in either case. As credit is specific to each project. The stat sites provide totals for all projects if that is what you want to accomplish. Here is an example from our team.
http://stats.free-dc.org/stats.php?page=teambycpid&team=BP6%2FVP6+User+Group


There are several people want to join my team. They will contribute on different projects. If i make lots of teams for each project then i can't see the total contribution. There'll be a SETI team with 200k credit, a Collatz team with 100k credit and so on...I hope you get my point. I prefer things more ordely.

I also want to see my team as one on BOINCstats with total credits from all projects.

BOINCstats will total all of the projects anyway, but having one central place for admin is a good idea. I wish I had known about it sooner. From what I read on there you can still make the teams on each project site. Once the syncing takes place then they will all show up on your account on the BOINC site.
4422) Message boards : Number crunching : Help wanted regarding BOINC-wide team (Message 1177486)
Posted 12 Dec 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Teams have to be created at each project.

-Dave


What? Do i have to browse each project page manually and create teams there? Oh geez.

So there'll be multiple teams with the same name but each of those teams credits will be merged? Then i take it that'll be the purpose of a BOINC-wide team. It just merges the credit of your teams in different projects with the same name. It does not automatically create teams for you, you have to do it manually.



Did you also do the Validate your email address function?


Yup.

You can make a team on each project instead of a BOINC wide team, but there will not be merging of credit in either case. As credit is specific to each project. The stat sites provide totals for all projects if that is what you want to accomplish. Here is an example from our team.
http://stats.free-dc.org/stats.php?page=teambycpid&team=BP6%2FVP6+User+Group
4423) Message boards : Number crunching : Help wanted regarding BOINC-wide team (Message 1177479)
Posted 12 Dec 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hey there friends,

Almost two days ago i created an account and set up a BOINC-wide team on this page: http://boinc.berkeley.edu/teams/ using the e-mail and username that i have previously used for my accounts (seti,collatz,einstein).

If i recall correctly, this team information should have been imported to all compatible BOINC projects. It has been almost 48 hours and i still see no sign of my team when i do search in several projects' team search pages.

Since then i'm thinking that i might have understood the logic behind this wrong. Do i have to create different teams for each project and then they will be held together by BOINC-wide team feature afterwards? Is it something like that? If not then why my BOINC-wide team cannot be found when i search it?

Please help me on this, it's urgent. Thank you.


Did you also do the Validate your email address function?
4424) Message boards : Number crunching : More Flakey Stuff - 3 hour deadlines? - Resolved (Message 1177471)
Posted 12 Dec 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

This was explained many times - the task was expired intentionally and the original deadline was not short but normal:

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=66181&nowrap=true#1172631

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=63826&nowrap=true



Sorry. I added the comment that the request was for both devices thinking it might be the VLAR problem - but I thought it would have sent them as CPU tasks so long as the 2nd request included CPU work. Thanks.

Someone "reports" this every few weeks, but as the topics that BilBg referred to point out this is by design.
I think if each application type were treated somewhat like subprojects are then the resends could be sent to the original device that requested them.
4425) Message boards : Number crunching : Question of Preferences (Message 1177372)
Posted 12 Dec 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
In the BOINC preferences page, for disc usage, you are given the following options

Disk: use at most...... X GB
Disk: leave free at least..... X GB (Values smaller than 0.001 are ignored)
Disk: use at most..............X % of total


My question is, which of these options takes precedence?

I ask this because I have computers that are at the same "Location" but have different HDD setups. Some have BOINC on its own 10GB partition, some have BOINC on "C" drive and one has BOINC on a 100GB "Programs" drive.

I have no problems with disc space atm but I'm wondering how the system "works".

T.A.


No setting really takes place over another. Just the first one that hits the parameter causes it to stop getting tasks.

My quickest system with a 10 day cache used less than 500MB before we had the limits. Your systems with GPUs will use up more space once the limits are gone, but IIRCC other large GPU users use far less than 10GB.

I use 10GB, 0.001GB, 100% without any issues. One system even uses a 200MB RAM drive which is way more than it needs.
4426) Message boards : Number crunching : RAM drives (Message 1177369)
Posted 12 Dec 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
All I can say is once I have a few stable days I will establish a benchmark. I have a backup + restore solution :D

I haven't seen any performance gains other than the hard drive doesn't get all fragmented with all of the small writes. I use the option for writing to the file once per hour.
4427) Message boards : Number crunching : What's the best Boinc version of the 6.12.xx series? (Message 1177265)
Posted 11 Dec 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I've been using 6.12.33 for some time with any issue. With it being a minor pain to update all of my machines I didn't see sufficient cause to upgrade to 6.12.34.

I am thinking about grabbing the latest 6.12.43 as there are some memory leak fixes listed between what I have and that release. Which will hopefully fix BOINC using 100's of MB of ram for me on some machine.

The backoffs I don't have an issue with as I override those on my schedule using boinccmd. So the longest I have is 1 hour for transfer retrys and 6 hours for updates.
4428) Message boards : Number crunching : RAM drives (Message 1177091)
Posted 10 Dec 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I use the same software on several machines. I had an issue when I changed the OS on a machine from XP x86 to 7 x64 & it wouldn't load my ram drive image. I loaded the ghost image I made of the previous OS. Then copied things from there, but wasn't expecting to have that issue.

I'm thinking of playing with the VHD functionality in 7 to see how that works.
4429) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (62) Server problems? (Message 1176945)
Posted 10 Dec 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Where (what file) do I change "resource share"? I have SETI at 100 and Einstein at 200 when what I really want is for Einstein to run when SETI has no WUs. Other than deleting Einstein, how do I accomplish this?

Exactly what Khangollo.

With the numbers you set, of 200 & 100, Einstein would get 2/3 of the CPU time and Seti 1/3. Which should be displayed on your Projects tab as 66% and 33%.

Once you have a backup project set it will download work to fill your queue & also continue to check Seti for work. Once it gets work from Seti it will no longer ask for work from Einstein, but will finish process the tasks on your system. Which might mean it switches between Seti & Einstein until all of the Einstein work is done.
4430) Message boards : Number crunching : Fallout from hitting 2 Billion Results? (Message 1176941)
Posted 10 Dec 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Does anyone have an update on the expansion of the result & workunit ids columns on the various tables/databases and the coding involved? I realize that since this was not a planned modification that it is going to be quite dirty.

I'm also wondering if the reduction of WUs being downloaded at any one time is related to this situation that we have found ourselves in. Haven't had a full queue on either of my machines for the last month or so.

In the post Matt did last night/this morning he said something about streamlining the science databases.

Which might translate to "we are working on it". It might be like a lot of the things they do. Where they do their voodoo and then tell us about it after it is done so we don't get our hopes up in case it doesn't work.
4431) Message boards : Number crunching : A lot of hosts on one WU (Message 1176938)
Posted 10 Dec 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
On a 5th error it gets flagged as being bad. I forget the exact message right now, but I think it is something like "possible bad work unit"

I have seen more than a few tasks that ended up being put in the bin due to all the hosts giving GPU -12 errors. I think there was even a topic about this some time ago.

I don't know if anyone manually looks over these work units and then decides if they should be sent out again or not.

Five errors are allowed, the sixth error causes the "Too many errors (may have bug)" message.

With contributors funding one full time staff member, I'm certain such cases are not reexamined individually. Perhaps a "tape" file which produced an unusually high proportion of that kind of errors might be noticed and flagged for resplitting when the code has been updated to handle the situation better, but I doubt they have enough time to keep even that level of detail.
                                                                   Joe

One of these days I'll learn how to count or proofread what I type. I don't expect it will occur any time soon. I don't recall at the moment if the timeouts are included in the error count, but that would put it at 5 already if so.

I like to think that all of these are the "bad" ones get flagged and at least put in a bin for a time when they truly have nothing else to do. Perhaps if the infrastructure would not require so much of their attention. They would be able to use their S@H time for more productive and/or cool things.
4432) Message boards : Number crunching : Sorry To my Wingmen (Message 1176898)
Posted 9 Dec 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Sorry To my Wingmen "JIMS-P4HP" Died a Smoky Death. :((

It's worse than that, it's dead Jim! Sorry I couldn't resist.

It is a sad day when a cruncher passes on to the silicone gates.
4433) Message boards : Number crunching : two gpu (Message 1176896)
Posted 9 Dec 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
As I understand it you will have one problem. Your 9600gt card is only capable of running 1 WU at a time, but your GTX460 could certainly do 2. However, I believe there is no way you can set different numbers of tasks for each card, so you will have to set 1 task for each card. I have both those graphics cards in different PCs and in my experience you would gain more by running 2 tasks at a time on the 460 and not using the 9600 at all than you will by using both graphics cards at the same time.

They are currently using the stock apps. So that won't be a problem for them.
4434) Message boards : Number crunching : Workunit credit hanging (Message 1176877)
Posted 9 Dec 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Interesting that they are all the same send and return date.
They are also > _1, and all were sent to me Aug 31 with validated tasks returned Sept 1.


In all 3 of those instances the host that turned their task in late was the same one. I think we may have seen more of these than normal with the network connection issues we were/are having.
4435) Message boards : Number crunching : Workunit credit hanging (Message 1176872)
Posted 9 Dec 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have, or have had, some of these stickers too. I haven't taken the time to see if they are still around or not, but work units getting stuck after validating with just 2 hosts also occurs.
4436) Message boards : Number crunching : A lot of hosts on one WU (Message 1176869)
Posted 9 Dec 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
On a 5th error it gets flagged as being bad. I forget the exact message right now, but I think it is something like "possible bad work unit"

I have seen more than a few tasks that ended up being put in the bin due to all the hosts giving GPU -12 errors. I think there was even a topic about this some time ago.

I don't know if anyone manually looks over these work units and then decides if they should be sent out again or not.
4437) Message boards : Number crunching : What's up with these WU's credit? (Message 1176775)
Posted 9 Dec 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

The CPU/GPU itself is not 'idle', the process is idle. There's always going to be a crunching gap when one wu ends and the next is starting to crunch in earnest.

My Statistics display in BM has been on a ~10 degree down slope since the shortie storm began around the beginning of Nov. Anyone crunching mostly shorties may see a similar line.

Lt


Yeah my graph has been showing the same downward spiral for the most part.
4438) Message boards : Number crunching : What's up with these WU's credit? (Message 1176764)
Posted 9 Dec 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:


Suddenly no one would like APs anymore and start loving this now so much hated shorties...

I for one would happily do shorties all day long, the only problem with that is I cannot download them as fast as I can crunch them.

This machine does a shortie in 4 min 30 sec, at 3 per card, three cards, that equals 1 shortie every 30 sec.

Or 2,880 per day:-)

Shorties have another consequence besides just digging a deeper hole for the servers to work out of...

The idle time taken to start crunching the next wu. At 2,880 shorties/day almost 6.4 hours/day would be idle time for that host, if the gap is 8 seconds long on average. Which coupled with any Credit issues causes a further drop in RAC.

Reducing idle time increases RAC and takes the additional load off of the servers - all trying to keep up.

Lt

edited

I think with running multiple tasks on the video card you don't really have idle time. So there wouldn't really be ~6 hours of idle time.
4439) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (62) Server problems? (Message 1176761)
Posted 9 Dec 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Server Status page is over 5 hours old

It currently indicates [As of 9 Dec 2011 | 13:30:11 UTC] with the replica showing offline.

Not that it truly tells us what is going in the server closet.
4440) Message boards : Number crunching : To Mr. Anonymous running Q9550 #2869907 (Message 1176748)
Posted 9 Dec 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
PC with almost only -9 result errors. No idea what's wrong, heat?

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/results.php?hostid=6270396

What's more disturbing than the problems of this particular host is the fact, that here once again the quota system seems not to work, at least for the GPU, as can be seen on the application page of this host. The "Max tasks per day" value is somehow locked to 100. Should be somwhere near 1 after all those invalid results. Have observed same thing at Milkyway, many hosts producing nothing else than errors had 10000 tasks a day all the time... so that leads to the question: is it a bug in BOINC?

I'm not sure that has ever worked correctly. When I see "Max tasks per day: 400" & "Number of tasks today: 3600" on one of my hosts it does seem to show something isn't lined up right. Then again I have also seen a lot of cases where "Number of tasks completed" is less than "Consecutive valid tasks". If it were just a few off or maybe the number of tasks done that day I could understand maybe something isn't synced up. If that is the case on several machines the count is about a week behind.
4441) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (62) Server problems? (Message 1176533)
Posted 8 Dec 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Maybe it's just me being cynical but has anyone else noticed that major problems always seem to occur when there's a funding drive on ?

The same sh*t happened in December last year as is happening now.

T.A.

I'm pretty sure things have taken a giant dump several other times during the past year. I don't think the hardware gets offended when they ask for money to fix/replace it. With the longer holidays in Nov/Dec I would expect they spend less time babysitting everything.
4442) Message boards : Number crunching : Pending credits? (Message 1176433)
Posted 8 Dec 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Your pending task is waiting for your wing person to process and return it.
Where is that little piece of information hidden?
As far as the pending credit goes it no longer exists here due to the CreditNew system. The Pending Credits link is probably left in place for the projects that don't wish to use CreditNew.

Edit: Here is the link if you want to read about CreditNew
can't say that this makes any sense to me, at least not at this time of the day.

thx anyway,

Ralf

It is hidden in plain sight. By the task that is assigned to the other person displaying "In progress". You will also see "minimum quorum 2" instead of "minimum quorum 1" like Rosetta does. The "minimum quorum" value is the minimum number of tasks needed to confirm a result. Different projects can set this based on how much verification they would like.

I'm not sure if creditnew makes sense to anyone other than the guys that came up with it. I still like the old # of tasks and average processing time. Which we sort of have again with Average Processing Rate.
4443) Message boards : Number crunching : Pending credits? (Message 1176407)
Posted 8 Dec 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Your pending task is waiting for your wing person to process and return it.

As far as the pending credit goes it no longer exists here due to the CreditNew system. The Pending Credits link is probably left in place for the projects that don't wish to use CreditNew.

Edit: Here is the link if you want to read about CreditNew
4444) Message boards : Number crunching : What's up with these WU's credit? (Message 1176312)
Posted 7 Dec 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
How much credit you get isn't dependent on the app you run but on the relative speed of the application within the host (APR) and compared to the average of all active hosts (that's at least what it should do) probably APR changed on the machine in question. (or the wingmans machine)

Also outlier detection is now active, so -9 won't influence APR and shouldn't influence credit. That may have provoked a change in general credit award.

From what I have seen in those lop credit tasks the wing person often has a really screwy APR.
4445) Message boards : Number crunching : Fight for my unused Seti bandwidth (Message 1176209)
Posted 7 Dec 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Yea.............but I get the impression that the developers are more concerned about Boinc development and bug fixes. And rightly so since Boinc is funded and that's what they are payed to do.

Matt (and the rest of the team) do a wonderful job keeping the project up and online as much as it is. I believe the developers would be more than happy if about 75% of the Seti crunchers did the same thing I have done.

I'm sure the BOINC devs would like everyone to have 50 projects & the S@H guys would like things to work for a while so they could work on their other projects besides babysitting the servers.
4446) Message boards : Number crunching : What's up with these WU's credit? (Message 1176207)
Posted 7 Dec 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Well if you have rad about the CreditNew scheme that is being used it all makes sense. Not in a good way, just math wise. There are many such topics already posted on it I would suggest you use advanced search for find out all about it. IIRC they started using it in June of '10.
4447) Message boards : Number crunching : Fight for my unused Seti bandwidth (Message 1176205)
Posted 7 Dec 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have backup projects set on PrimeGrid & Collatz for when things are to smurfed up here to get work.

Then when S@H is working again the machine automagicly shift back.
4448) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (62) Server problems? (Message 1176204)
Posted 7 Dec 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I've noticed that when connected direct, if you can get units, the download speed is quite good, up to 25KBps +, even though the proxy is still faster, these speeds are the fastest I've ever had direct from the project in 5 years.

I wonder if this means that despite what the Cricket graphs tell us, the actual network loading is not "super saturated" like it is when normally coming back from an outage, just "busy".

This, combined with the great difficulty getting work allocated (usually only one or two units at a time) means we could be looking at a Scheduler problem rather than a network overload.

All the scheduling processes are located on "bane". I wonder if this server is really being the "bane" of our lives ?

T.A.

IIRC we are subject to the C10K problem. Maybe with the updates Matt was talking about this will no longer be an issue? As some software is not subject to this problem.
4449) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (62) Server problems? (Message 1176181)
Posted 7 Dec 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
During the maintenance outage I noticed all of my "suck" downloads completed are great speed. I was seeing 800k on several.
4450) Message boards : Number crunching : NEW GPU not recognized (Message 1176157)
Posted 7 Dec 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

Since this is so much fun to sort I keep a page with version numbers on it ATI Driver Cheat Sheet. I need to update it for 11.10 and 11.11, but haven't had the chance to do that just yet.


Hey, nice work on that data! I may refer to that later myself.

-Dave

I have a link to that and some other things in my profile. When I am not feeling to lazy I do things to save time/help me keep track of stuff. Then I tend to share that information with everyone if I'm not feeling to lazy not to. :)
4451) Message boards : Number crunching : Can someone explain this to me, PLEASE? (Message 1176154)
Posted 6 Dec 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Good news - things seem to have fixed themselves (though why they broke is still up for dispute) - both machines are now near 2000 tasks in progress.

Did you ever catch the exact message you were getting? I'm still guessing that it might have been the daily limit.
4452) Message boards : Number crunching : 28 errors (Message 1176152)
Posted 6 Dec 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I wouldn't expect HT to be the cause of errors. I had a C2D box take a dump one day where it decided to just produce nothing but errors on several hundred tasks. That was before I was checking on things very often. So once I found it I had to deny it power for a bit to straighten it out again.

I have am doing some long term test on various machines to compare HT to non HT with the current opt apps. The one i7-860 I have where I have HT on but am only running 4 out of 8 tasks is averaging about 90% as much credit as my other machine running all 8. I have only been tracking data for the past 35 days. I want a good few months of data to really nail things down.
4453) Message boards : Number crunching : NEW GPU not recognized (Message 1176095)
Posted 6 Dec 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
A 6570 is a really looooooowwwww-end board for a photographer!

NOW he tells me! LOL!

The previous board is an Nvidia GeForce 9500.

Reinstalling this morning.

Perry Lee

A HD6570 is comparable to a GF9600. A HD6770 or HD6850 would be more of an upgrade.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/fastest-graphics-card-radeon-geforce,3067-7.html
4454) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (62) Server problems? (Message 1176075)
Posted 6 Dec 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

To save having to monitor the Retry button I made up a little cron job and a wee awk script:

crontab entry:
* * * * * source /home/Compaq_Owner/retryfiles

retryfiles:

cd c:
cd 'Program Files/BOINC'
./boinccmd.exe --get_file_transfers | gawk -f retry.awk

Program Files\BOINC\retry.awk:

/name/ { n = $2;}
/ xfer active: no/ { system("./boinccmd --file_transfer http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/ " n " retry");}

As I have so many machines I have been doing something similar. Except I am using a For loop and I have 1 machine do this for all of my machines over the network.
I do see an occasional 'authorization failure' when it is retrying files, but doesn't seem to effect anything. Then on the next hourly pass I may not see any.
4455) Message boards : Number crunching : Can someone explain this to me, PLEASE? (Message 1175906)
Posted 5 Dec 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
If some CPU cores are being set aside to feed the GPUs then you would subtract them from the total. So instead of 2000 tasks it would be 1950 for 1 core reserved, or 1900 for 2 reserved.

When I look at my task list, I usually find one that says it's running on a partial core and another that says it's on the rest of the core and the GPU, but there doesn't seem to be anything reserved.

BOINC doesn't reserve anything itself. You would manually tell BOINC to not use one or more of your CPU cores. You would do this by setting the "On multiprocessors, use at most x% of the processors" to a lower value such as 75% to leave one free core on a 4 core system. Some of the big GPU guys have found that to work better for them.

What you see in the GUI "Running (0.04 CPUs + 1.00 NVIDIA GPUs)" just refers to how the task is treated for the scheduler. Not that it is using, in my example, 4% of the CPU to process the task.
4456) Message boards : Number crunching : Can someone explain this to me, PLEASE? (Message 1175902)
Posted 5 Dec 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

I'm not sure if jravin was looking at the In progress tasks for the machines or locally. If the server thinks that the limit is reached it could be due to some ghosties floating around. I see 1832 & 1190 for the two machines right now.

If some CPU cores are being set aside to feed the GPUs then you would subtract them from the total. So instead of 2000 tasks it would be 1950 for 1 core reserved, or 1900 for 2 reserved. If you are maxing at 1850 I would guess 3 reserved.


Thanks for the info. On both machines, I have reserved exactly ONE core for GT 240 support. Way back when, I noticed that with 8 cores running WUs, I got no more work done than with 7, due to stretch out by competition of CPU vs. GPU. So that's where I sit now.

On both machines, I looked at the number of files in the data directory and the number shown via the Account -> Computers -> Tasks, and they were consistent with each other. (i.e., no gross diffs, which there would be if I had a lot of "ghosts").

Another thing to consider with the ongoing shorties. You may have reached the daily limit for the machine instead of the "reached max number of tasks in progress". It wasn't clear from your original post which message you were seeing.
4457) Message boards : Number crunching : NEW GPU not recognized (Message 1175894)
Posted 5 Dec 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Okay, gonna stop trying to get this board to work; it is a pig. I am a photographer, and I have a lot of graphics intensive software... Routines that took 1 to 2 minutes to run now take up to ten minutes to finish. I can't believe how slow it is.

Thanks for all the help and advice, but I am putting the old board back into the desktop.

Perry Lee

Which NVIDIA card were you using? You might have inadvertently downgraded yourself.
4458) Message boards : Number crunching : Can someone explain this to me, PLEASE? (Message 1175874)
Posted 5 Dec 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have a PC with 1 GPU and 2 CPU core, and I have 500 WUs in progress. Haven't used rescheduler, sounds more like 50 WUs per core.

Horacio seems to be mistaken. The limits have been 50/CPU 400/GPU for sometime now. Not all machines will reach this limits with 10 day cache settings, but for the faster ones this is easily obtained.

I'm not sure if jravin was looking at the In progress tasks for the machines or locally. If the server thinks that the limit is reached it could be due to some ghosties floating around. I see 1832 & 1190 for the two machines right now.

If some CPU cores are being set aside to feed the GPUs then you would subtract them from the total. So instead of 2000 tasks it would be 1950 for 1 core reserved, or 1900 for 2 reserved. If you are maxing at 1850 I would guess 3 reserved.
4459) Message boards : Number crunching : shortie storm has arrived here ... (Message 1175869)
Posted 5 Dec 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
How come I got a bunch of VHARs suddenly only giving 2.* credits per WU? New credit system or what?

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/results.php?hostid=4778143&offset=0&show_names=0&state=3&appid=

Some of those tasks the other person was using an older version of BOINC so I can see why the credits would be low. The others area a bit odd. Could be all of those tasks just didn't have that much data in them making them worth less.
4460) Message boards : Number crunching : NEW GPU not recognized (Message 1175832)
Posted 5 Dec 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Computer is shown.

1. I have an AMD Radeon HD 6570. BOINC version is 6.12.34

2. I will search for the Lunatic apps for the GPU.

3. Not sure which drivers you mean. Driver version for the GPU is 8.881.0.0

Thanks for all the help.

Perry Lee

Most often we just refer to the Cat version, but there are 3 different versions when talking about the driver(s). The Catalyst version, the version you see when you look at the driver in device manager, & the version BOINC reports.
In your case you are running Cat 11.8, 8.881.0.0000, 1.4.1523.
Since this is so much fun to sort I keep a page with version numbers on it ATI Driver Cheat Sheet. I need to update it for 11.10 and 11.11, but haven't had the chance to do that just yet.

4461) Message boards : Number crunching : Lunatics Windows Installer v0.39 release notes (Message 1175738)
Posted 4 Dec 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
So, Q8200: NO, NO, NO, ION: inconclusive, and i3: Haven't got a clue yet.

Thanks for devoting time and energy to the research. I guess nothing so far is too surprising: the Core2 range, like your Q8200, were exactly the target platform for the SSSE3x builds, so it's good to have confirmed that nothing has broken there.

The really interesting one will be the i3, once the servers have condescended to co-operate.


I now have a VLAR on the i3 that I will run against a similar VLAR on the Q8200 in a few minutes. That can be interesting, lets just hope that they both run full time.

Q8200 SSSE3x: 20oc11ab.17878.306819.10.10.125.vlar_2

i3 SSE3: task 20oc11ab.17878.307228.10.10.94.vlar_0


The q8200 takes about 3 hours + for a VLAR with SSSE3x. What will the i3 do, with SSE3, that can be an interesting race :-)


And finished.

Well, the Q8200 is beaten to the ground on this comparison anyhow. The small i3 Laptop wins. Also worth knowing, is that the Q8200 hates VHARS (yes VHARS, not VLARS) running one VHAR on the CPU is ok, but if it runs more than one at a time, they all slow down to a crawl, and the time to finishing will almost double.
The i3 does not seem to suffer from that though, it gladly chews up all the VHARs I can throw at it. Also worth knowing, is that the i3 seems to beat the Q8200 on all MB AR’s.
The Q8200 is only faster than the i3, when running AP’s, and then not much faster. The only thing that keeps the Q8200 ahead of the i3 now, is the ATI 4850 card, which of course is much faster than the NVIDIA GeForce 315M card in the i3.

Q8200 SSSE3x: 20oc11ab.17878.306819.10.10.125.vlar_2
Workunit: 2188717797
WU true angle range is : 0.011215
Run Time: 11,400.55 Seconds

i3 SSE3: task 20oc11ab.17878.307228.10.10.94.vlar_0.
Workunit: 2188468270
WU true angle range is : 0.011534
Run Time: 9,145.31 Seconds

Well, this was a little side step from what I was really going to do, comparing SSSE3X with SSE3 on the i3. That’s still on the to-do list.

I noticed that my i3-390 notebook and i7-860 HTPC handle VLAR tasks better with the new build. Where before I would see some laggyness in the system when all cores were doing VLAR tasks. It might also just been the current batch of work.
4462) Message boards : Number crunching : Tired of backoffs and not getting new work (Message 1175466)
Posted 3 Dec 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
One bit of functionality that was changed in BOINC Manager after 6.10.48. The ability to clear the retry values for transfers when you suspend network activity. In versions after you get a message when trying to do so that network activity is suspended. It is just one of those undocumented changes, but for how I use BOINC I found it annoying.

So I use BOINC Manager 6.10.48 with BOINC 6.12.33.
4463) Message boards : Number crunching : Lunatics Windows Installer v0.39 release notes (Message 1175447)
Posted 3 Dec 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I noticed the P3 application AK_v8b_win_SSE_p3.exe didn't get the b2 treatment. Is it just a typo in the file name or is the exe unchanged for P3s?
4464) Message boards : Number crunching : More HE Problems ???? (Message 1175433)
Posted 3 Dec 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Well, looks like I joined this club... or at least my laptop did it 2-3 days ago. The strange thing here is, that my both other machines, which connect to the internet thru this laptop have no problems at all (routes outside my network are the same for all machines)...

Anyway, I have a little problem with sheduler requests thru the proxy:
03/12/2011 15:05:44	SETI@home	Reporting 1 completed tasks, requesting new tasks
03/12/2011 15:05:44		[proxy_debug] HTTP_OP::no_proxy_for_url(): http://setiboinc.ssl.berkeley.edu/sah_cgi/cgi
03/12/2011 15:05:44		[proxy_debug] returning false
03/12/2011 15:05:44		[proxy_debug]: setting up proxy http-proxy.fu-berlin.de:80
03/12/2011 15:05:49	SETI@home	Scheduler request failed: Error 417

I have tried to exclude the sheduler requests from going thru proxy, it works without it so far, however if I put the URL http://setiboinc.ssl.berkeley.edu/sah_cgi/cgi in "Don't use proxy for:", it's still using that. Any suggestions why?

I am guessing you are using the value of <no_proxy>list of hostnames for which proxy not used</no_proxy>. When it says hostname it may not accept a full path like you want to use, but only setiboinc.ssl.berkeley.edu or berkeley.edu. So you would be able to enable the proxy in BOINC but exclude certain projects from using proxy settings.

If that is the case then something that may work for you is using the command line to change the settings. So you can Up/Download and then report as needed.
To enable a proxy configuration it would be:
	BOINCCMD --set_proxy_settings IP PORT "" "" "" "" "" "" "" ""

To disable a proxy configuration it would be:
	BOINCCMD --set_proxy_settings "" "" "" "" "" "" "" "" "" ""
4465) Message boards : Number crunching : Anyone ever have to replace capacitors? (Message 1175297)
Posted 3 Dec 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I don't have much money,

Pitty, smaller capacity SSDs can be had for very good prices, and their performance can't really be compared with a HDDs- the HDDs are that much slower.

Keep in mind the F100 is OK as SSDs go, where as the VelociRaptor is the king of desktop HDDs.
SSD v HDD

Yeah, my original plan was to make this ailing rig become a 24TB RAID6 storage server and the new build was going to be bulldozer and I was going to go with two 300gb velociraptors in raid0 for my OS and programs drive. Apparently, because of that flood debacle in Taiwan, HDD prices went astronomical. Friend of mine had a 1tb Deskstar in his shopping cart on newegg for 49.99, and two days later when he went to order, it was 249. The suppliers jacked the prices way up, and the vendors follow suit.

I like the idea of SSDs being fast, but I still don't trust the limited write cycles on each byte. My idea of an SSD is something like HyperDrive 5. "Not RAM-like performance, IS RAM performance."

I managed to be super lucky on the price hike business. I had ordered a new 750GB 2.5" drive for my HTPC on Friday October 14th for $90. Then the following week the price had shot up over $200.

Prices on some drives have come back down so that is good. The 300GB Velociraptor I was looking at for $180 is back down to $200. So maybe by tax refund time prices will have dropped down a bit more.

Edit: I refreshed the page I was looking at on buy.com for the drive and the price dropped from $199.99 to $189.99. $150 and it's mine! lol
4466) Message boards : Number crunching : Download error (Message 1175082)
Posted 2 Dec 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Sometimes that occurs. I have one machine that has generated 15 of these in the past day.

I have seen that crop up every now and then for at least the past year I think. I'm guessing it occurs when the servers are getting hammered more than usual.
4467) Message boards : Number crunching : Nvidia Christmas sale! (Message 1175027)
Posted 1 Dec 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
No other reports of an nVidia sale other than this one dated Nov 10.

Is this sale for real, or just the ramblings of a nut?

I don't know about if it is all retailers but newegg & amazon have MIR on most 500 series cards purchased until December 31st.
4468) Message boards : Number crunching : Non-Server Strangeness & question (Message 1175021)
Posted 1 Dec 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
It may only read at start up now. At some point in the past I was tweaking DCF, back when it was still client side, with BOINC running. Shortly after saving all of my running tasks started going into 'computation error'. It wasn't the -177, or which ever number, indicating the tasks were taking to long. Just exit status 1.

I'm pretty certain that client_state doesn't get read back in at any point except startup: in many ways, it would be easier if it was - I forget exactly what, but at one stage we wanted to change some values on the fly automatically, and that would have been a way to do it. But no go.

Client_state.xml is written quite frequently, and there's a complicated dance with client_state, client_state_next, and client_state_prev, to ensure there's always at least one good copy saved on the disk even if the music stops in the middle of a disk write. I thnk csn gets written, csp gets deleted, cs gets renamed to csp, and finally csn gets renamed to cs - something like that.

If you happened to save your copy of the file in between those renames, BOINC might have found that a filename it thought was available to use suddently existed again - that could cause all sorts of errors. You can edit the file, BOINC can edit the file - best that you don't both try to do it at the same time.

One of the lessons I learned the hard way early on.
4469) Message boards : Number crunching : Project Backoff (Message 1175020)
Posted 1 Dec 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Well it hasn't started flowing yet, even though the other two SETI machines are getting new work units regularly. This means that there is an issue with the Linux box alone.

Wayne

You mentioned you are using a wireless router earlier. Are the computers using wireless or ethernet? I just noticed some weird behavior on one of my notebooks when using the wireless, which is probably driver related for me.

When using the wireless on the notebook it doesn't connect to my HTPC machine unless I ping it by address several times first. When pinging my machines from the notebook, which all have static IPs & are connected via ethernet to the router, my gaming desktop resolves to the workgroup name instead of the host name, the HTPC will not resolve a name, and my mobile desktop machine always resolves fine. All 4 machine have the same OS, Win 7 x64, with all the security setting disabled.

The same notebook doesn't have any of those issues from the ethernet & my other notebook works fine via wireless.

While that information may not be helpful in a direct way maybe it can help somehow. If nothing else sometimes I find yelling at my computer makes me feel better after banging my head on the desk.
4470) Message boards : Number crunching : Non-Server Strangeness & question (Message 1175017)
Posted 1 Dec 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Before you ask, yes it is set to ask for all types of tasks and the cache days are set to 10.

Where - locally or online? Did you check/clear local preferences?

Gruß,
Gundolf


I've messed-around with both. I'll bet Richard's onto the problem. Since I've never intervened in my other installations and they work, I didn't think to check this one. The DCF has probably gone completely goofy.

With connection issues I have seen the value for "While BOINC running, % of time host has an Internet connection" drop to such a low % that a machine would not request new work. Even with 0 in the queue & processing nothing.

You can also see the value locally in your client_state.xml file. In this section:
<time_stats>
    <on_frac>1.000000</on_frac>
    <connected_frac>1.000000</connected_frac>
    <active_frac>1.000000</active_frac>
    <gpu_active_frac>1.000000</gpu_active_frac>
    <last_update>1500000000.000000</last_update>
</time_stats>


If you are going to edit these values client side be sure you have stopped BOINC before doing so. Otherwise you can trash all the work you have in your queue. At least I have managed to do so in the past.


AFAIK data from client_state.xml is read only at BOINC startup. After that client_state.xml gets writen to only. IF you want to edit it, you need to shut down boinc first.

It may only read at start up now. At some point in the past I was tweaking DCF, back when it was still client side, with BOINC running. Shortly after saving all of my running tasks started going into 'computation error'. It wasn't the -177, or which ever number, indicating the tasks were taking to long. Just exit status 1.
4471) Message boards : Number crunching : Lunatics Windows Installer v0.39 release notes (Message 1174793)
Posted 1 Dec 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
It looks like both of their devices are reporting 2.5 and 2.3. Like they didn't uninstall the 2.3 SDK. Which is certainly interesting.


No only device 1 shows 2.3.

The result I was looking at seems to both. http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/result.php?resultid=2181352660 With 2 devices under AMD Accelerated Parallel Processing v2.5 and then 2 under ATI Stream v2.3.

Was there another task where it one of each was shown? With both installed I only guess about what odd things may occur.



Aside from having both SDKs, which I will fix soon, the question remains if using 11.10 or 11.11 drivers
produces false positives only on v7 and not on v6. Unfortunately, those are the only drivers that work best for my main rig as I use it for other stuff.
Swapping out drivers just for gaming or watching movies on a regular basis is not an option for me. Hopefully, someone can answer that for me as I do not know how or what to look for.


As for that specific WU, 2 previous results submitted before mine are also inconclusive which leads me to believe that it's the WU...?

The 4th result turned in and you are all marked as valid now. Crazy stuff.
4472) Message boards : Number crunching : Lunatics Windows Installer v0.39 release notes (Message 1174740)
Posted 30 Nov 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
It looks like both of their devices are reporting 2.5 and 2.3. Like they didn't uninstall the 2.3 SDK. Which is certainly interesting.


No only device 1 shows 2.3.

The result I was looking at seems to both. http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/result.php?resultid=2181352660 With 2 devices under AMD Accelerated Parallel Processing v2.5 and then 2 under ATI Stream v2.3.

Was there another task where it one of each was shown? With both installed I only guess about what odd things may occur.
4473) Message boards : Number crunching : Lunatics Windows Installer v0.39 release notes (Message 1174731)
Posted 30 Nov 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hopefully, all the WUs I sent using 11.11 didn't produce false positives. Maybe someone can confirm?

You've got some odd ones, like

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/workunit.php?wuid=847976175

Search for 'Completed, validation inconclusive' in your MB pending list.

[Edit - I don't really know the ATI side of things. Just hightlighting that one in case any of our ATI specialists are around to take a look]


Something doesn´t look right here.

Pixie got 2 69xx cards.
1 is reporting SDK 2.5 while the second reports SDK 2.3.
So i guess there are some driver left overs.
I´d suggest to completely remove the drivers using driver sweeper.
Make sure all AMD.ocl and/or ATI.ocl files are removed.
Reboot and install the drivers again.

Empty stderr.txt isn´t anything to worry about that happens sometimes but doesn´t affect the result itself.

Mike

It looks like both of their devices are reporting 2.5 and 2.3. Like they didn't uninstall the 2.3 SDK. Which is certainly interesting.
4474) Message boards : Number crunching : Non-Server Strangeness & question (Message 1174725)
Posted 30 Nov 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Before you ask, yes it is set to ask for all types of tasks and the cache days are set to 10.

Where - locally or online? Did you check/clear local preferences?

Gruß,
Gundolf


I've messed-around with both. I'll bet Richard's onto the problem. Since I've never intervened in my other installations and they work, I didn't think to check this one. The DCF has probably gone completely goofy.

With connection issues I have seen the value for "While BOINC running, % of time host has an Internet connection" drop to such a low % that a machine would not request new work. Even with 0 in the queue & processing nothing.

You can also see the value locally in your client_state.xml file. In this section:
<time_stats>
    <on_frac>1.000000</on_frac>
    <connected_frac>1.000000</connected_frac>
    <active_frac>1.000000</active_frac>
    <gpu_active_frac>1.000000</gpu_active_frac>
    <last_update>1500000000.000000</last_update>
</time_stats>


If you are going to edit these values client side be sure you have stopped BOINC before doing so. Otherwise you can trash all the work you have in your queue. At least I have managed to do so in the past.
4475) Message boards : Number crunching : Calculation errors (Message 1174575)
Posted 29 Nov 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Perhaps a solution would be to suspend processing and then exit BOINC.

I am not really much of a MAC person but it may be possible to script a command to run when you shutdown/reboot to suspend and quit BOINC gracefully using boinccmd.

Such as this:
boinccmd --set_run_mode never 300
boinccmd --quit

Which would suspending processing for up to 5 minutes and then quit BOINC. You can also use "--set_run_mode never" without the number ,but then would have to manually resume processing.

"--set_run_mode never" is the same function as selecting "Activity > Suspend" from the GUI.
4476) Message boards : Number crunching : Force GPUs to work (Message 1174572)
Posted 29 Nov 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Trying to stay on topic here...

I have noticed that when I run Rescheduler, it occasionally moves the GPU tasks to high priority. When it does so, the units run much quicker, but it doesnt keep running all the GPU tasks at that level. I have edited my app_info to add <cmdline>-instances_per_device 1 -hp -unroll 10 </cmdline> on any of the modules that control work to GPU (with no success).

How can one force the GPU to run all apps at high priority?

Thx.

High Priority when you see it in BOINC is a function of the scheduling system. To try and make sure all of the work gets completed in time. When this high priority switches on tasks are being processed by date instead of FIFO (First In First Out). Also while in this mode I think that no new work gets downloaded. As BOINC thinks it can't finish what it has on time.

Thread priority is how the OS will treat the running application as far as which one gets processing cycles first.

The -hp switch in your app_info.xml effect thread priority. Which may shave a few seconds or minutes off of tasks for you, but also could make your system a bit less responsive. That is something you have to determine for yourself.
4477) Message boards : Number crunching : GPUs dethroned: Go DSP! (Message 1174460)
Posted 29 Nov 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I am glad more companies are getting into the idea of using their products for co-processors. However I do hope they can provide something a lot better than what they mention in the article.

They do mention long term plans of taking what they have now and making a 512Gflop chip that comes in at 32w, but putting 4 of them on a card for 2Tflops @ ~130w. I hope the cost isn't very high as I could just buy a HD6870 that is rated for 2TFlops @ 151w. With the up coming HD7870 being about 2.9Tflops and 120w I think TI may have some catching up to do in this field.

If nothing else they will need to come down in cost quite a lot. The $1000 for the current 512Gflop card and $2000 for the up coming 1Tflop card is a bit high in the cost/flops ratio.

One thing TI is normally really good about is support. If they can support it better than the other guys and get people to use it then it doesn't matter if it isn't really as good. Just like their DLP technology.
4478) Message boards : Number crunching : Lunatics Windows Installer v0.39 release notes (Message 1174359)
Posted 28 Nov 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The following drivers are known to be incompatible with the app:
11.10 and 11.11.


It mentions both the AP and new MB app as being incompatible. I assume it means the new MB since I'm able to run the current AP apps just fine on 11.11


Yes, as far as I can tell it's just the MB tasks that have an issue with 11.10 and 11.11 drivers
I've never had any issues with the AP tasks running these drivers, but all ATI MB tasks return invalid results with these drivers (both online an offline runs)

I think 11.2, or in some cases 11.3, is still the preferred version for ATI MB.

Thanks Richard for the updated news & those lunatics for their work.
4479) Message boards : Number crunching : Why are nVIDIA GPU's faster crunchers than ATI at s@h? (Message 1174323)
Posted 28 Nov 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
yes and from my reading the nVidia openCL apps are having the same problems as the ATI.

I think the solution may be to feed Raistmer more caffeine.
4480) Message boards : Number crunching : Goodsearch for Seti........ (Message 1174278)
Posted 28 Nov 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Yes, we have now hit the $500.00 level for Seti on Goodsearch.
I know that some thought that a penny a search was not going to amount to anything and that the effort would not be worth it.

But this is a half a grand of free money generated for our project at no cost just by using the Goodsearch search engine. Money that otherwise would not have been donated.

So please consider again using it for some if not all of your web searches.

Meow!

Indeed free money is good. I have only generated $3.00 so far, but with the holiday shopping season the % of what I buy from some online shops should help bump up the coffers a bit.
4481) Message boards : Number crunching : Force GPUs to work (Message 1174174)
Posted 28 Nov 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I tried that, put it won't fit as you can only have so many characters in your sig.

Try compressing the addresses with tiny url, they should all fit then I'd think.

Don't those normally expire after a day or two?
4482) Message boards : Number crunching : Why are nVIDIA GPU's faster crunchers than ATI at s@h? (Message 1174130)
Posted 27 Nov 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Is it more to do with driver optimization or is there some other underlying reason? Is there any hope on the horizon for existing ATI cards to 'catch-up' to nVIDIA counterparts? I would love to pickup another 5870 and crossfire it (cheaper solution), but a pair of 570Ti's (much more expensive) would crunch so much more....

IIRC NVIDIA basically wrote the initial code for the first CUDA application. ATI/AMD on the other hand hasn't been as helpful & the applications are written with lots of cursing of their name I believe.

With the development of the NVIDIA AP application we can start to actually compare the two brands on somewhat even footing for this project.
4483) Message boards : Number crunching : Public beta for nVidia AstroPulse, rev 521 (Message 1174129)
Posted 27 Nov 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hello there


I would like to know if lines in the app.info can be rem out so that they will not execute without deleting the lines themselves.

I remember in my very early years of Basic with the C64 lines starting with REM would not execute.

Is there a way to do this with the app_info


Michael Miles
The Assimilators

[...] I'm pretty sure that anything in between the brackets will be ignored.

The official standard for an XML comment is to enlose it in

<!--
-->

-though put it on one line, like this:

<!-- This is a comment -->

It looks as if that will be recognised in the new BOINC v6.13.12 and above, but I'm not sure if it's acceptable in the somewhat simplified version of XML used by BOINC v6.12 and before. You could experiment - carefully! - and let us know the outcome, but be prepared for disappointment.

The comment tag work in 6.12.33 and 6.10.58 as well. At least as far as this command I was just playing around with.
<!--<no_gpus>1</no_gpus>-->
4484) Message boards : Number crunching : Nvidia Christmas sale! (Message 1173947)
Posted 26 Nov 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I'm still waiting for the GTX295 reissue. :)

Good luck, As It isn't gonna happen Mark...

No kidding, Vic.

Yeah, their good cards at least, I only need 1 more single pcb version or repair the single pcb that I have now, If thats possible that is.

Last I looked, there is no repair service available if the cards are out of warranty.
And an in warranty 295 would probably be replaced with a 500 series these days. I doubt they have any replacement stock left for 295 warranty claims.

I was thinking of out of warranty repair, so what about somewhere like this Here?

From the looks of it, if they cannot fix your card you are out $31.00 plus your cost to ship it to them.

Looks like the $31 covers shipping
"The flat fee of $129 includes diagnostics, 100% of labor costs, and a Fedex shipping label which can be used within the continental U.S."
I am guessing that covers the return cost either way as well.
4485) Message boards : Number crunching : Hard Drive replacement (Message 1173851)
Posted 26 Nov 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
That wouldn't be recommended, as it would create new HostID's every time you change computers. Plus, if the hardware changed, some application incompatibility could cause a ton of errors.

The HostID is held in client_state.xml. The machine name and hardware info will be updated the next time BOINC connects to the servers.
4486) Message boards : Number crunching : Hard Drive replacement (Message 1173850)
Posted 26 Nov 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Just wondering, can we install Boinc seti@home (command line version) into a USB thumbdrive.
Next time when we want to re-install OS, we just need to safely remove that thumbdrive.
After re-install OS, re-plugin the thumbdrive and run Boinc-seti immediately.

We can even plug that thumbdrive to any computer (with same OS) and run Boinc-seti on any computer.

I do a similar thing on a stack of machines that I run PE on. It works well for me & I don't have to mess around with installing BOINC.

Also I use the SSE2 opt app so I don't have any issues as some of the machines are older.
4487) Message boards : Number crunching : Hard Drive replacement (Message 1173720)
Posted 25 Nov 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Just change the name, merge, then change it back to the new name. Should only take a few reboots, plus you might get some of the work resent that you lost.



Thanks, I'll give it a shot. Didn't realize that I could change the name back after merging.

Again, Thanks!

Seti will report whatever the computer's name is at the time of the last scheduler request it makes.

We used to have some fun by editing the processor's name with a regedit and see how long it took somebody to notice in the stats. Of course, that little tidbit gets reset any time the computer reboots.

I just edit that section within BOINC to make it say what I want. I got tired of my Pentium III & II systems not being displayed correctly & I also like my video cards being displayed correctly.


It does not reset or re-read the host when Boinc is stopped and restarted?

Since the edit was to boinc.exe, it does exactly as it is told.
4488) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (61) Server problems? (Message 1173677)
Posted 25 Nov 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I get weird messages on work requests sometimes. Most of my machine I have set for:
Run only the selected applications		SETI@home Enhanced: yes
						Astropulse v5: no
						Astropulse v505: no
If no work for selected applications is		no
available, accept work from other
applications?


Yes I'll still get messages like you did.

In your case I understand.
I'm set:
Run only the selected applications		SETI@home Enhanced: yes
						Astropulse v5: yes
						Astropulse v505: yes
If no work for selected applications is		yes
available, accept work from other
applications?

Which I don't understand why I would ever see the message, unless they deploy a new app.

All I can think of is the timing of the request when it first looked nothing was available then it checked the send anything and had a MB work unit available. Such double checking could be messing with the timing of the 100 work unit queue and slowing things down for everyone.


With my settings I shouldn't be seeing the message:
SETI@home Message from server: Your preferences allow tasks from applications other than those selected
or anything about AP either. I just see that every now and then. I don't give it much thought other than "Oh that is odd did I change something?"
4489) Message boards : Number crunching : How to calculate PSU load right? (Message 1173656)
Posted 25 Nov 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hey Hal,
Sorry!

The page you requested couldn't be found
Tom's Hardware

Dear Visitor. The page you requested couldn't be found :( - If you followed a link from another Website please inform their Webmaster.

Oh yeah, that was the power supplies reviews page link.

Doh! I had left the ending slash off when I pasted the link.

I guess
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/Components,1/Power-Supplies,6
is not the same as
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/Components,1/Power-Supplies,6/.
4490) Message boards : Number crunching : Hard Drive replacement (Message 1173655)
Posted 25 Nov 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Just change the name, merge, then change it back to the new name. Should only take a few reboots, plus you might get some of the work resent that you lost.



Thanks, I'll give it a shot. Didn't realize that I could change the name back after merging.

Again, Thanks!

Seti will report whatever the computer's name is at the time of the last scheduler request it makes.

We used to have some fun by editing the processor's name with a regedit and see how long it took somebody to notice in the stats. Of course, that little tidbit gets reset any time the computer reboots.

I just edit that section within BOINC to make it say what I want. I got tired of my Pentium III & II systems not being displayed correctly & I also like my video cards being displayed correctly.
4491) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (61) Server problems? (Message 1173653)
Posted 25 Nov 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I get weird messages on work requests sometimes. Most of my machine I have set for:
Run only the selected applications		SETI@home Enhanced: yes
						Astropulse v5: no
						Astropulse v505: no
If no work for selected applications is		no
available, accept work from other
applications?


Yes I'll still get messages like you did.
4492) Message boards : Number crunching : How to calculate PSU load right? (Message 1173392)
Posted 24 Nov 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I think you might be nuts to think that PSU would have a 50% rating, but that is OK. :D Different views for different people and what not.

This link may prove useful for those trying to calculate their input current to their PSU.
http://www.enermax.com/home.php?fn=eng/product_a1_1_1&lv0=1&lv1=52&no=182
Under the section "89PLUS ready!". They are showing how their PSU uses less power compared to competitors with the platinum rating, but also demonstrates how to calculate the power draw based on the efficiency of the PSU.

Well... If you will go for a top-of-the-range PSU with "World’s leading modular cable PSU series with 89-94% efficiency @ 20-100% load."

For that one, it is good to see some real specs and charts for load and ambient temperature. Not sure on what the rest of their Marketing-speak is trying to exclaim. So yep, that's a nice one that might actually pay for itself in avoiding waste heat if you will be running it for long enough. Note the load efficiency graph lower down the page and compare with other PSUs operating with poorer design margins and poorer cooling.

Indeed, at the other end of the spectrum a certain review tested a range of PSUs for their claimed ratings. Some blew up before reaching the claimed max ratings...

Such is the real world...

Happy cool crunchin',
Martin

I have used Enermax or Antec supplies for many years. Enermax does provide a good bit of information about all of their products, which I find helpful. I used that one as an example as I was looking at it recently for my next system.

Toms hardware has a nice section for power supply reviews. That could be good for answering questions or providing useful info when people go to buy a new supply.
4493) Message boards : Number crunching : ?'s About Crossfire X: Twice As Good Or Wasted Efforts? (Message 1173381)
Posted 24 Nov 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Its Ok to have the boards linked by the SLI bridge (if any), but SLI should be disabled


So its possible to activate the second card this way without using 2nd monitor or dummy plug?


I dont know (not even knew that some GPUs required to be conected to something to work...)

I have one box with 2 GPUs linked by the SLI bridge and only one monitor, and both GPUs are ussed by BOINC.
On another box I have a GPU not plugged to anything and the monitor on the onboard (not CUDA capable) video card and it also works...


I think one of the other solutions was to extend the desktop to the other monitor. When I do that everything looks the same on my primary monitor & the 2nd one is blank until I drag stuff over to that portion of the desktop.
4494) Message boards : Number crunching : What's your REAL Average Credit? (Message 1173315)
Posted 23 Nov 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
What would be great, would be a programme that could calculate average time to completion per day/week/month of the various types of WU's we crunch here. Would be so simple to fine tune individual setups, as we wouln't have to sit around doing arithmatic.
Does such a beast exist? I know there are stats sites, but it would be nice to have a programme that I could use "hands on."

Regards,

A

I would like to locally track all of my tasks. So I could see when on a graph. Then I could be able to know how long each type & AR took on a given machine.

I think the classic SetiSpy did this, but I haven't found anything that would work the same with BOINC. Even BoincSpy.
4495) Message boards : Number crunching : Team Transfer NOT AUTHORIZED!! (Message 1173310)
Posted 23 Nov 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I really can't have any sympathy for a team with a founder who doesn't care if this happens to the team.

Geeze.....


What if he/she is, er, no longer with us?

Regards,

A

The process they have is designed for absent or no longer existing founders.

When looking at the team page The Knights Who Say Ni!. There would be a line "Team foundership change Initiate request"

Then if the current found doesn't reject the request in 60 days the person that requested it is now founder. I did that for my team a few months ago. As the person who was in charge vanished for a few years ago.

Edit: You can also assign other admins to the group. So all the load isn't put on one person.
4496) Message boards : Number crunching : How to calculate PSU load right? (Message 1173279)
Posted 23 Nov 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
... A standard 60w 230v light bulb may have an inrush current of 4 amp, but it isn't sitting there consuming 920w.

Quite so. Sometimes, that inrush current can cause a cold bulb filament to immediately fail.

However, do not confuse the effects of a cold and heat dependant resistive filament for how an inductive switch mode power supply operates. Also do not confuse the old style "inrush" (high) currents for charging (big) smoothing capacitors at start up.

For PSUs, a brief maximum current load can be expected at start-up, but that is limited by the switch mode circuitry and by the magnetic circuit in the inductor or transformer.

Look at those power numbers again for the example given. At maximum load, an efficiency of 50% is not unexpected.

As hinted in my original comment, I wouldn't expect the PSU to be that bad. Also note that those input currents will be for minimum acceptable input voltage and note that "Watts = Volts * Amps" so you'll see 'better' power figures than my (shouldn't be seen) dumb worse case assumption.

However, it does give a good example for people to work out the specs ;-)

Happy cool crunchin',
Martin

I think you might be nuts to think that PSU would have a 50% rating, but that is OK. :D Different views for different people and what not.

This link may prove useful for those trying to calculate their input current to their PSU.
http://www.enermax.com/home.php?fn=eng/product_a1_1_1&lv0=1&lv1=52&no=182
Under the section "89PLUS ready!". They are showing how their PSU uses less power compared to competitors with the platinum rating, but also demonstrates how to calculate the power draw based on the efficiency of the PSU.
4497) Message boards : Number crunching : ?'s About Crossfire X: Twice As Good Or Wasted Efforts? (Message 1173276)
Posted 23 Nov 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
IIRC to make full use of your 6770's you should be running 2, or maybe more, tasks at a time per card. However that could just be for MB tasks.

So trying to get both cards to run 1 task would mean each card would be even less used than just running 1 at a time per card.
4498) Message boards : Number crunching : What's your REAL Average Credit? (Message 1173217)
Posted 23 Nov 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have been using the the values in statistics_setiathome.berkeley.edu.xml to calculate 7 day, 30 day, & 60 day running averages.

I personally like these numbers better than the value given for RAC. Which doesn't use exponential average or a decay.
4499) Message boards : Number crunching : Team Transfer NOT AUTHORIZED!! (Message 1173151)
Posted 23 Nov 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Did this person join the team and then click the option to be founder? Which takes 60 days to go into effect if the current founder doesn't stop it.

If that was the case you guys might want to put someone that actively checks their messages and/or e-mails as founder.
4500) Message boards : Number crunching : Current BOINC and the HostCPID... (Message 1173101)
Posted 22 Nov 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Well... I wanted to upgrade my BOINC on this machine because I need the automatic backup project thingy for MilkyWay.

There are basically two problems with that version, one I can solve myself and one I can't:

1. A completely unusable BOINC Manager, but I can downgrade that, so not really a problem.

2. The actual problem: the first thing this version did was changing the HostCPID for whatever reason, so probably it's gonna mess around with it like the 6.10.58 did on my laptop or as reported here by someone else.

Is there any way to prevent that? Changing the HostCPID in client_state back to the old one didn't work, it's generating the new one again. I have switched back to 6.10.18, which does not annoy me with that bug, but I actually hope that there is a way to use the new version without that the stats get messed up also for this computer.


I think it might be some kind of server side snafu. I have 1 box that has been doing that at random as well. 6247484 Which I noticed back around March.

For me it would say new CPID but actually generate a new HostID for the project.

I gave up and just merge them when it happens. The most recent time it did it was after I installed a new HD and OS on the box and restored my BOINC folder. Then a short while later it did it again.

I think next time it happens I am not going to merge them, but leave the old record. Then delete it once it becomes empty.
4501) Message boards : Number crunching : More HE Problems ???? (Message 1173031)
Posted 22 Nov 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Also, the cricket graphs look pretty wonky for yesterday.

The crickets continue to look wonky. Minor and major down-spikes in the last 24 hours. Is there a good reason for this? A bad but explainable reason?

That is normally how the graph looks when there is no AP work. The ratio for time to process vs size for AP tasks is much shorter than that of standard MB tasks. The ratio may even be lower than that of shorties.

You mean if everything is working properly, there is sufficient bandwidth to handle all the MB traffic and the graph drops because there's not enough demand to keep it maxed?

When things are working well the feeder gets emptied very quickly & the tasks that were in the feeder queue complete their download before it is filled again. That is where most of us see the messages:
Requesting new tasks for CPU
Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks
Project has no tasks available
Since the graph is generated from snapshots every x minutes only the active transfers in that instant are reflected.
When the ratio of processing time to download size changes we see the graph "maxed out" as there are constantly the maximum amount of transfers in progress.
4502) Message boards : Number crunching : To the Sysadmin of Proxy 69.163.96.2 (Message 1173025)
Posted 22 Nov 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The proxy is still very much up and running, and accepting connections from all over the known universe.

Earlier this morning it was very, very dead.

Long live the proxy!

Could have been an automated DDOS trigger. With so many people using it and going to the same destination.

Or it could have been a problem with the project. There were some down-spikes in the cricket graph yesterday instead of its usual grassy plateau. And it looks like it's starting down again now.

The logs on my boxes show they were OK for hours before and after the time of the original post.
4503) Message boards : Number crunching : More HE Problems ???? (Message 1173024)
Posted 22 Nov 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Also, the cricket graphs look pretty wonky for yesterday.

The crickets continue to look wonky. Minor and major down-spikes in the last 24 hours. Is there a good reason for this? A bad but explainable reason?

That is normally how the graph looks when there is no AP work. The ratio for time to process vs size for AP tasks is much shorter than that of standard MB tasks. The ratio may even be lower than that of shorties.
4504) Message boards : Number crunching : How to calculate PSU load right? (Message 1173023)
Posted 22 Nov 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
One wrecked PSU I have in front of me just now claims to be rated at a maximum of 300W. And this is clearly not right because if you add up the individual power rails you come to something very different (a shade over 400W).


A typical 600 Watt psu is a fairly simple example:




Reading from Bottom to Top the values shown determine the combined entire output possible above it.

In this example the +12v rails are rated to provide 420 Watts maximum, even though individually the maximum output would be higher, which means both rails cannot provide maximum output at the same time.

Different manufacturers rate differently. ...

... At 80% efficiency, a fully loaded 600 W supply would need 750 Watts from the wall!

The only constants are that heat and load are the biggest enemies of a PSU. ...

That is an unusually detailed specification label for a PSU and quite interesting...

Note that the maximum rated input power is 1380 Watts[*]...!

The combined power ratings for multiple outputs suggest that either an intermediate voltage drop-down stage is used for those multiple outputs, or shared magnetic circuits or shared heatsinks are used.

An important point though is:

Do not confuse percentage efficiency with a de-rating percentage. You should be able to run any of those outputs at their maximum rated current. The less than 100% efficiency tells you what to expect for the extra input power required that is wasted as heat.

So... For running 600 Watts maximum output with 1380 Watts input, you have your PSU generating 1380 - 600 = 780 Watts as waste heat. (I'd hope that in reality it was not that badly inefficient!)


Note that I strongly NOT recommend running any one output at 100% rating. That gives you no margin for load fluctuation or for ageing or any other de-rating effects. A good rule of thumb is to try to keep loadings in the 50% to 80% region.


Happy cool crunchin',
Martin


* That would be the case if the maximum input current was taken for the nominal mains input voltage. Actually, the maximum input current can be expected only during 'brown-out' conditions when the mains input voltage is lower than nominal. The maximum input current can be expected for full output load and minimum input voltage.


The current rating you see for input is normally a value called "max inrush current". Which will be seen for microseconds when the unit is first turned on. It is not an "input power" rating, and should not be confused with any such thing.

A standard 60w 230v light bulb may have an inrush current of 4 amp, but it isn't sitting there consuming 920w.
4505) Message boards : Number crunching : To the Sysadmin of Proxy 69.163.96.2 (Message 1172986)
Posted 22 Nov 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The proxy is still very much up and running, and accepting connections from all over the known universe.

Earlier this morning it was very, very dead.


Long live the proxy!

Could have been an automated DDOS trigger. With so many people using it and going to the same destination.
4506) Message boards : Number crunching : Timed out? (Message 1172984)
Posted 22 Nov 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I guess you are not getting the point I was trying to make. The date the wu was created, was only about 5 hours before I got the wu. Isn't the date created the time and date the wu come off the splitter? I only had 5 hours, 46 minutes, and 23 seconds before it timed out. I have a 5 day cache set in my preference so I never got a chance to get to it. I know it is a vlar, it was sent to my cpu.

My computer is the 3rd one down

The creation date/time of a task, in this case "created 4 Nov 2011 | 19:20:00 UTC", has noting to do with the deadline. The sent date/time is when the deadline is set. For you it was sent, or more accurately assigned to you, "5 Nov 2011 | 5:20:58 UTC". Which is actually 10 Hours and & 58 seconds after it was created, not that it matters.

Had you looked at hat page when it was first assigned to you would have seen the deadline say about "21 Dec 2011 | 17:27:38 UTC. However as it has already been explained to you. There is a circumstance that occurs with resent VLAR tasks when the GPU is receiving the task. This is NOT a problem of any kind & is by design. As NVIDIA GPUs do not like to process VLAR tasks.

If you take the time to look through your stdoutdae.txt or stdoutdae.old you will see a message for the task with something like:
5-Nov-2011 6:08:21 [SETI@home] Didn't resend lost task 25jn11aa.5628.92787.3.10.97.vlar (expired)

Where the time will be your local time with regard to your UTC offset. As your group is "Maryland Delaware Rocketry Association". I am guessing you are on EST right now. So the time I placed in the example should be correct to the hour at least. You could search these text files with the task name.
4507) Message boards : Number crunching : How to calculate PSU load right? (Message 1172807)
Posted 21 Nov 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Maybe thats my insufficient English but,

That is for each individual supply rail from the PSU


The ratings for efficiency are given for the input of the PSU


are that not the two possibilities i was confused about? What is true?


If we take a 650w PSU that is specified to be 90% efficient at 50% load. Then when the load on the output is 325w the input would be about 389w in their test conditions.

If you were to have a system. With say an Atom D525 and a NVIDIA 590 that drew 325w from the PSU I mentioned before. Then the rails would probably not be very evenly loaded. With the 5v & 3.3v sections with very little load and the 12v with most of the load.
With the 12v section being the greatest amount of load and having a larger load. Where its efficiency started to drop. I would think the overall efficiency would be <90% as the manufacture rated it.

Depending on how the PSU is actually designed the outcome could be different.
4508) Message boards : Number crunching : GPU statistics. (Message 1172709)
Posted 21 Nov 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
As I was typing my earlier reply "rock steady" started throwing errors.
LoL, it could hear you.


Looks like maybe someONE could hear me and it's not making me happy.

I came into the office to look this over (in the middle of the night, no less) and found the monitors turned off (not just "asleep") and the volume muted.

I'd think that maybe I did that and don't remember it.

But Internet Explorer was open and an MSN homepage was displaying with all sorts of flippin' slideshows going and there was a message welcoming me to Internet Explorer 8 despite the fact that I have very definitely told Windows NOT NOT NOT to update automatically.

Is there a separate place to tell it not to update Internet Explorer, either?

I suspect a driver crash due to something on the MSN page that I certainly didn't pull up. And my office door was locked, too.

I've got this creepy feeling that Internet Explorer broke into my office and did whatever it wanted to in here.

IE doesn't have separate update settings. It falls under the guise of all of the other windows updates. You can open windows updates and look at the history and see when IE8 was installed.

If you don't recall turning the monitor off. Perhaps you had starting doing updates, turned the monitor off, and then left to let it to take its time updating?
4509) Message boards : Number crunching : Forget the GPU, time for Knights Corner. (Message 1172676)
Posted 21 Nov 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
So from what I gather its basically 50 Pentium cpu's on a card. In order to make use of it you would have to either:
1. Run 50 wu at a time
or
2. The app would need to multi-thread (and run however many instances / number of threads).

The 2nd case would require the cpu apps to be become multi-threaded to take advantage of all those cores.

There is no mention of it being OpenCL capable.

One of the articles mentioned a clock speed of 1.8Ghz so they aren't that fast either, but then if you can use all 50 threads its not so important.

How difficult would it be get Astropulse or Multibeam to multi-thread I wonder.

Since the standard CPUs are able to do OpenCL I would hope that these coprocessors would also be able to run it, but we may not know for a little while.

Maybe the apps can be done in a way so the tasks will be sent to the card and it splits it up and it thinks best. Like we see with the GPUs now.

Running 50 at a time might see interesting results in how saturated the PCIe bus gets.
4510) Message boards : Number crunching : How to calculate PSU load right? (Message 1172675)
Posted 21 Nov 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The optimal PSU load is between 50% and 80%(or slightly different), but % of what? Of the 12V rail (example: if there are 10A @12V so the optimal load is between 5A and 8A) or of the total 400W the PSU is capable of. And if there is a separate 12V rail for the 4pin and/or 8pin CPU plug, is this power used for the CPU only or is the board also using it for other parts?

The ratings for efficiency are given for the input of the PSU. At either 120v or 240v. These ratings are under optimal conditions. So your mileage may vary. Loading sections of the PSU more than others could produce results other than the ratings given by the manufacture.
4511) Message boards : Number crunching : Timed out? (Message 1172673)
Posted 21 Nov 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I was the 3rd to get the wu, it was about 5 hours old when I got it, I had less than 6 hours to crunch it. The second computer to get this wu also timed out in a very short period of time. Ghost that is only 5 hours old? My deadline maybe about 9 hours after creation? I could understand if there were something like 20 or so days between creation and my deadline, but in this case there was only 9 hours between creation and my deadline.

The first host that timed out the task also has a GPU. a ghost getting "resent" to a CPU like this could actually happen 5 times in a row causing the tasks to be marked as bad.
4512) Message boards : Number crunching : More HE Problems ???? (Message 1172489)
Posted 20 Nov 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Francesco,
The Proxy is not just for SETI. In 2009, after the Iranian elections, the regime there cut off internet access through many routes. In order to get around this the people used many proxies in many different countries to get their message out. As fast as the regime would block one IP the people would switch to another proxy and would be good to go again for another little while.

If, for some reason, you are trying to reach a website in another country and find a bad or blocked router in the path your IP uses then you can go to a proxy in another location to get around that bad router.

Ok, thank (I know it).
I was only asking why to select a particular country.
By the way, I have written a post in "wish list" to suggest a proxy configuration for all our hosts in boinc preference (in web account configuration).
See: http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=66175#1172447
Of course this neeed a change in web pages, central database and local client (boinc manager)
It's not necessary if someone have only one host, near him, but can be good if someone have 20 hosts far and unattedend.

I had said "You can filter by country and other items to find the one that works best for you.". Depending on where the location you want to connect to is located. You probably want to use a proxy near that area.
Like the proxy that seems to be in the San Francisco area works well. Where one in Mexico or Japan may not.
4513) Message boards : Number crunching : ATI App w/. 5870 is extremely slow (Message 1172393)
Posted 20 Nov 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Well I added the -hp bit to the app_info, uninstalled the drivers and did a driver sweep. Installed the 11.3's and am having the exact same thing going on.

Any more suggestions?

::EDIT:: And I scrolled back up and saw 11.2 not 11.3... Guess I'm going to re-install again! lol >.<

And with the 11.2 installed, it's going much faster. Though it keeps downloading vlar WU's. Which is about the worst case WU iirc. But it looks like it'll process it in about 30min.

The ATI cards don't have the choke and die issue that NVIDIA cards would have. I only had an issue on my E8400 if both cores and the GPU were all doing VLAR tasks. Then things started to get wonky. Then again I see that on CPU only machines when all cores are doing VLAR tasks.
4514) Message boards : Number crunching : Adapteva Epiphany IV (Message 1172375)
Posted 20 Nov 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Carrying on from the Knights Corner thread...

Here is link from a thinq.co.uk article about a start-up company called Adapteva making risc chips that wants to do the same as Intel's MIC (also known as Knights Corner/Knights Ferry).

They claim they have a 64 core chip called the Epiphany IV. They are smaller at 10mm square (using 28nm fabrication). Oh and it only uses 2 watts.

They are saying samples available in Q1 2012 so it looks like next year there will a couple of these things hitting the market. 2012 the year of the co-processor :-)

With their chip using 2w and claiming 70Gflops/watt(in single precision) I guess that means each chip can only pump out 140Gflops. Which does sound disappointing at first, but if several of them were made into a board then it could do some hefty damage.

Something like 30 of them on a board for 4200Gflops at 60 watts could be a good contender. If anyone writes code for it.
4515) Message boards : Number crunching : CLOSED* SETI/BOINC Milestones [ v2.0 ] - XXIII *CLOSED (Message 1172371)
Posted 20 Nov 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Noticing a machine has 99.9998% net availablity. Anyone hit 6 9s uptime WRTT (with regards to this)?

Not exactly.
% of time BOINC is running	100 %
While BOINC running, % of time host has an Internet connection	100 %
While BOINC running, % of time work is allowed	100 %


A few of my work machines look like that.
4516) Message boards : Number crunching : Forget the GPU, time for Knights Corner. (Message 1172295)
Posted 19 Nov 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Heck what are those 8 cards?

Any specs?


From what I gather 50 core x86 cards running at 1.8Ghz based on 40nm fabrication.

The promised release ones are meant to be 80 core based upon 22nm fabrication.


Thinking about what a tesla card cost`s,
One thing is certain, they will put a big hole in anyone`s credit card.
and that setup must be on a PCIe expansion board, which cost a fair bit,
There is a heck of a lot of dollars worth in that photo.

Oh yeah, that's sounds about right, the pic has unobtainium in It, I guess, for Me at least. But I have more important problems right now...

Looks like each one of those boars has an 8pin and a 6pin going to it. For at least 225w to each card, or 1800w of 12v goodness.

The next question is who makes that power configuration/chassis. Could be a custom Intel job for show, but it is a good setup for the massive GPU guys as well.

Edit: Here is the whole article where that image came from.
http://www.thinq.co.uk/2011/6/20/intel-pushes-hpc-space-knights-corner
4517) Message boards : Number crunching : More HE Problems ???? (Message 1172274)
Posted 19 Nov 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Recently I had 5 or 6 machine at work that were not able to connect. I spent several hours on one of the boxes trying to sort out what was going on without much luck. Then I noticed some of the log files were much lager then the normal 2mb.

Ended up after deleting std*.txt & time_stats_log they were able to connect again.

Those machine had stdoutdae.txt files that were around 30-50mb & I don't have the flags set to allow a large file size.

As these are unattended machine most of the time I changed their started .bat files to removed the files before launching boinc.exe
4518) Message boards : Number crunching : Stats haywire? No export? (Message 1172077)
Posted 19 Nov 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The HE link is also 1GB but, due to campus policy, must be run through the campus IT department down the hill. In order for SETI to get the full advantage to this link a second fiber line would have to be run up the hill exclusively for SETI. To do this would cost tens of thousands of dollars and must be approved by UCB. Until such time as they can get both the money and approval together, they are stuck on a regular copper line that only supports a max of 100MB. It is through this line that we are sending and receiving work and most everything else.


If this is true it might be beneficial to move the download servers from the SETI lab, to a location down the hill on the other end of this 100MB link, so that work units only need to be transferred on this link once.

I would just ask. Who is going to pay for this location & the fibre channel link to the storage array in the lab? Along with them having to go to 2 locations to admin their boxes.

Most of what I have heard is even at 100mb there are more connections than can be served. So going to a full gb line would not really help that much right now.
4519) Message boards : Number crunching : Quick noob Question (Message 1172076)
Posted 19 Nov 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
My question is about deadlines and what logic they have, i.e. as an example i have a 32 hour Astropulse task waiting to start with a deadline of 25 days and a 4 hour enhanced 6.03 task waiting with a deadline of 48 days!

whats the idea around having a long work load having the shorter time? and who would need 48 days to do 4 hours of work??

People with slow computers that do not leave them on 24/7 I guess. If you only had your computer on for 30 minutes to 1 hour a day you would need more time.

Just because it takes longer doesn't mean the CPU cycles are not wanted. the idea is to let as many people as would like to help play.
4520) Message boards : Number crunching : GPU statistics. (Message 1172075)
Posted 19 Nov 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
You may find this thread useful.
Top GPU models
4521) Message boards : Number crunching : Laptop, Samsung RV511-S06SE (i3 380M) + Nvidia 315M (Message 1172073)
Posted 19 Nov 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Awesome!

How much of that is the i3 and how much is the 315m? Any rough numbers?

I have been trying to compare the daily numbers from my i3-390M with his notebook, but with everything going on recently it is hard to tell. Several months ago I had a RAC of around 3500 on my notebook. A week or so ago I fired it up to run 24/7. So we can sort of get an idea once our two numbers start to level off.

Also I am not running any AP on my notebook. Where IIRC he is running AP on CPU and MB on GPU.
4522) Message boards : Number crunching : Stats haywire? No export? (Message 1171979)
Posted 18 Nov 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I will try to answer some of this from what little I know. The UCB connection is the 1GB connection "down the hill". SETI uses it for the main webpage and a few other things. They are limited as to how much of this they can use because the whole SSL is dependent on this line.

The HE link is also 1GB but, due to campus policy, must be run through the campus IT department down the hill. In order for SETI to get the full advantage to this link a second fiber line would have to be run up the hill exclusively for SETI. To do this would cost tens of thousands of dollars and must be approved by UCB. Until such time as they can get both the money and approval together, they are stuck on a regular copper line that only supports a max of 100MB. It is through this line that we are sending and receiving work and most everything else.

BOINC receives it's own funding and pays UCB for it's office space and internet connection. It has nothing to do with SETI as far as that. It's server is on a completely different connection. Much like SETI, the other projects are independent of BOINC and have their own admins. I believe, but don't know for sure, that they pay BOINC for using it to run their projects.

That's my understanding of the situation anyway. I'm sure someone with a better outlook will come along soon to help explain it better than I can.

In one of their postings, in Technical News or News, about the connection it was mentioned that if all the political BS was overcome. That there would be some added cost of using the line at a higher speed. They didn't elaborate, but it could be something to do with monthly data usage.

So if the line, and the two routers on either end of it, get spoofed up they could limit the bandwidth on the line down to 100mb.
4523) Message boards : Number crunching : More HE Problems ???? (Message 1171958)
Posted 18 Nov 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Here from Switzerland, I had a strong slow down of seti communication and a lot of packet loss pinging seti server.
5 minutes ago I have seen this thread and I decide to use 69.163.96.2 HTTP proxy.
Now I'm downloading ad full speed from all my PC's.

Can I use it always?

I have used various proxies which I got from http://www.xroxy.com/proxylist.htm. You can filter by country and other items to find the one that works best for you.
4524) Message boards : Number crunching : 6 8800 GT's? (Message 1171932)
Posted 18 Nov 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hmm, the 3 9800 GX2 setup might work as well, but I don't have any. Where as I do have 3 8800 GT's. I think I'm going to scrape the 6 8800 GT idea for now as it may not work as well as some other solutions. It would still be interesting to see 6 video cards in one case!

I could pick up 3 9800 GX2's for about $330 or pick up 1 more GTX 470's for about half the price and run them with the GTX 470's I already have. OR pick up 1 more GTX 295 to run with the 2 I already have. So what do you guys think would crunch the best for the least money?

3 8800 GT's (Already have 3)
3 9800 GX2's (Don't own any)
3 GTX 295's (Already have 2)
3 GTX 470's (Already have 2)

I have a EVGA nForce 780i SLI MB w/ a Q9550 Quad these will get paired with.

I think the 470 probably is the best "bang for the buck/watt" card.

However, If you got a 3rd 470 and put them in with the 8800 cards you would be limited to running 1 at a time on them as there is not way to specify number of tasks per individual card. So in that respect going with a 3rd 295 might make more sense if putting them all in one box. If you just run per card on the 470 then that isn't really an issue.

With the cards you have on hand you could do 2 of each for 6 cards in one box.
4525) Message boards : Number crunching : More HE Problems ???? (Message 1171920)
Posted 18 Nov 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Update at 13:45Z 18/11/11
Downloads direct av. 5KBs with >50% halts and timeouts
Downloads via Proxy av. 25KBs peaking at 100KBs with approx 10% halts and timeouts.

I would really like to know why this is so. What sneaky pipeline does this proxy have to the SAH servers ?

T.A.


For all we know it is in a rack next to the PAIX router. Which would be silly, but could be true.
4526) Message boards : Number crunching : 6 8800 GT's? (Message 1171729)
Posted 17 Nov 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I'm looking at putting 6 8800 GTs in one rig. I've already found an AMD MB that has 6 PCIe slots.


The price is right on the cards right now and all they need is 1 six pin plug per a card, plus they don't draw a ton of power each. I already have 1 that's doing well, so I'm thinking 6 will do better!

Is there any reason this type of setup may not work?

I'll ask the silly question. Does the MB you are looking allow the use of 6 PCIe slots at once?
I have seen several that have 6 or 7 PCIe x16 connectors, but only let you use 3 or 4 at a time. Really just letting you position things more then good usable slots.
4527) Message boards : Number crunching : Stats haywire? No export? (Message 1171718)
Posted 17 Nov 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
OK, I did some research, here's what's happening.
Seti uses two connections, one is the 1Gbit down the hill of which they're allowed to use 100Mbit. The other is the SSL lab wide connection that the home page and forums run off of.

Odd I seem to recall reading that earlier. :)
The guys in the lab have gone over how things are setup several times over the years. Most recently the SSL lab/building got upgraded to 1GB. Maybe 6-12 months ago. I want to say it was a February, but I have slept since then. This however had nothing to do with the HE connection we use for data transfer.
It's this connection that BOINC uses as well, however, the photo that purportedly shows the BOINC server (5th photo down), is out of date and no longer true.

The BOINC server runs from David's server cabinet, in his own office. It does use the SSL lab wide internet connection, but doesn't do so through the S@H switches and routers. BOINC pays for the use of office space and the like, the internet connection is included in that.

This is why Seti can be completely down, e.g. due to the AC going on strike, unpingable, untraceable, dead to the world, Cricket graphs showing no sign of live, while BOINC is up & running.

Normally when the power goes out we loose the web servers as well if it is for an extended time, or when the UPS just freaks out and shuts everything off. However, I don't think that has happened in a long time.
4528) Message boards : Number crunching : task sent before computer created? (Message 1171716)
Posted 17 Nov 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Or that random bug where a computer just spontaneously decides to get a new ID. I've seen reports of that happening before. Seems to be with the GPU-capable clients (6.4.5+) though.

My MoDT box likes to do it pretty often as well.
4529) Message boards : Number crunching : How to specify "no new task" (under command line Terminal) (Message 1171647)
Posted 17 Nov 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
You probably want to use boinccmd to specify NNT

from the site linked:

--project URL operation

nomorework: finish current work but don't get more;

should be equivalent to hitting the NNT button in the GUI BOINC manager.

NB I use the GUI so I may be utterly wrong :)


That is exactly what it does. You will see the familiar status of "Won't get new tasks" in the GUI after sending the command. I use it and many of the other functions from boinccmd all the time.

Also the full syntax for here would be:
boinccmd --project http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/ nomorework
4530) Message boards : Number crunching : Forget the GPU, time for Knights Corner. (Message 1171631)
Posted 17 Nov 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have been wanting "co-processors" to stick in my computer for the past 15 years. All I have to say is that "it is about freaking time".

GPU computing is good, but why haven't they made generalized "compute" boards. Where they could strip off all of the video things that you don't need to processing data.

The previous generation of this they showed off was "Knight's Ferry" which had 32 cores and ran 128 threads. IIRC it sucked up around 250-300w. So you would need 2 8 pin PICe connectors for one of those cards. I'm not sure if it was using older 40 or 32nm tech. so the new one might use less power today.

This also seems like what they were doing with the GPU they were making a few years ago. Where they just shoved a bunch of low power x86 cores into a single chip.
4531) Message boards : Number crunching : Stats haywire? No export? (Message 1171629)
Posted 17 Nov 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I'd think that since the stats are on the same page as the forums are, that they'd use the same connection to be downloaded. Thus not the one in the Cricket graph, but the other one that the whole web site runs through.


http://setiathome.berkeley.edu is on the campus connection. Their IS/IT department does have other graphs for the rest of the campus. However IIRC everyone in the building they are in all share one connection. So that graph would not indicate exactly what you might want.
4532) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (61) Server problems? (Message 1171379)
Posted 16 Nov 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I've had little problem uploading results, but cannot report them.
Looking at the Crickets very little is being passed in or out.
The status page shows most things working, there are WU available for dispatch, but the transaction rate is way down.
Hmm
So has the scheduler croaked, despite it reporting healthy?

That just lists the status of the service. It doesn't indicated if there is anything preventing it from being connected to, or functioning correctly.

If something is not working correctly we won't really know until they decide to share it with us. That is if they are aware of any issues.
4533) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (61) Server problems? (Message 1171369)
Posted 16 Nov 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
They might have run into problems with the database changes to increase the maximum number of records....


Could be. The db is defiantly unhappy. Trying to pull up host info or tasks is iffy at the moment for me.

Maybe the RAID choked again and is in rebuild mode.
4534) Message boards : Number crunching : Would you like this for Christmas? (Message 1171368)
Posted 16 Nov 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The benchmark numbers make my P4 look like an abacus.

Now I'm sad.


Then compare your P4 to a real abacus - maybe that makes you feel better ;-)

That might make an abacus feel bad. :/
4535) Message boards : Number crunching : Should i install BOINC on a pentium 2 ? (Message 1171214)
Posted 15 Nov 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I would think you would waste more power then it is worth putting anything P4 or below on Boinc.

Sure you could go a year without running one of these slow boxes and save up enough to buy an Atom based system. Which would do about 200 times the work at 1/10th the power usage, but what fun would that be.
4536) Message boards : Number crunching : Is this the new normal (Message 1171196)
Posted 15 Nov 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
OK, under thew new model 'Total Physical' and 'Free Physical' are useful numbers, but not what we're looking for.

What's the portugese translation for 'Shared System Memory' anyone ?

[Edit:] Google translate says:
Memória do sistema compartilhada

Does that work ?


Here are some others you might want.
-Total de memória gráfica disp.: 623Mb
-Memória de vídeo dedicada: 128Mb
-Memória de vídeo do sistema: 0Mb
-Memória do sistema compartilhada: 495Mb
4537) Message boards : Number crunching : Should i install BOINC on a pentium 2 ? (Message 1171192)
Posted 15 Nov 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Wow ! your computer only takes 23 hours per WU !that is so strange! i have a IBM ThinkPad with Celeron @ 500mhz and it takes more than 60 hours ! . as i can see you are using an unofficial app , right ? when in the app name appears ''Anonymous Platform'' is not official

I am using the MMX optimized application. Which I got from this posting.

Those tasks were shorties. Normal run time is 80-90 hours on that box.
4538) Message boards : Number crunching : Should i install BOINC on a pentium 2 ? (Message 1171176)
Posted 15 Nov 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
hi ! i have got a pentium 2 which is not being used . should i install boinc on it ?
PD: it runs Linux

I have a PII 400MHz I am using at the moment.
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/show_host_detail.php?hostid=5195125
It doesn't have much in the way of sans so it sits silently and crunches away.
4539) Message boards : Number crunching : Why did the 4pin powered cards die out? (Message 1171099)
Posted 15 Nov 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I'm betting that his 8800 is working without the additional plugin because that card just doesn't draw all that much power.


The 8800 GT has its own 6pin connector, so enough juice from there. The question is would it still work without the 6pin but with the 4pin (near PCIe)on the board plugged in?

I just did some playing with my HD 3850. Without the PCIe connector it works, but as soon as you do anything demanding a great deal of 3D grunt the system poops out. Due to lack of power to the board.
4540) Message boards : Number crunching : Would you like this for Christmas? (Message 1171098)
Posted 15 Nov 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Nope, read a review of It already, I have a P55 system and another under construction, It's a glorified server cpu.

The extreme edition chips are generally just low end server chips marketed to a different segment for those willing to pay for it. Honestly I would rather just buy the Xeon version. Same money and you get a few nicer features.
4541) Message boards : Number crunching : # of tasks per GPU list (Message 1171097)
Posted 15 Nov 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I am working on a little page from the data that you guys have provided so far. It is just getting done in my "other" "other" free time.
4542) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (60) Server problems? (Message 1171042)
Posted 14 Nov 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Ok, here we go again. Where's the AP's? I can not be expected to live like this, sober and without any drugs whatsoever, and on top of that healthy life style, not receive any new AP's.

I demand new AP's or I may fall into the trap of sex and drugs and Rock'n'roll.

Well as they say "3 out of 4 ain't bad" :) This must be a plot by someone to try and freeze you this winter.

Maybe this week they will get everything sorted and remove the limits. So all the hungry hungry machines can catch up.
4543) Message boards : Number crunching : using boinc rescheduler to circumvent limits (Message 1171034)
Posted 14 Nov 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
My normal mode of operation is to only download task on the CPU and then move them to the GPU. Simply due to all the weird things that occur with the scheduler normally. At the CPU & GPU are not that fast I would have 150-200 CPU task. Then every few days I would dump 50-100 on the GPU. Then the CPU tasks would fill up again.

With the current limits I found it was better for that machine to let the GPU fetch work. At the moment it is sitting on 98 CPU and 340 GPU tasks.
4544) Message boards : Number crunching : More HE Problems ???? (Message 1170972)
Posted 14 Nov 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
target 69.163.96.2

Net Name is LYON-LABS

Pacifica CA 94044

edit.....I wonder if they mind all the traffic going to Berkeley.........

The company that owns the address is located there, but the actual location of the device could be anywhere. The block of public IPs we have for our company are used throughout North and South America. Looking up the IP would tell you they are all in NJ, but that would be incorrect.

Since they are running an open proxy I imagine they are fine with any traffic going through it.
4545) Message boards : Number crunching : Why did the 4pin powered cards die out? (Message 1170967)
Posted 14 Nov 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Better question, how many NEW computers do you see with floppy drives, and when was the last time you used a floppy disk?

I use floppies almost every single day at work. To load Ghost and reimage machines for testing. Then we have USB floppy drives for the newer machines that don't have floppies or floppy drive controllers on the board. Floppies are preferable for what we do as they are easier to change than redoing CD images.
4546) Message boards : Number crunching : More HE Problems ???? (Message 1170890)
Posted 14 Nov 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I haven't tried this proxy, but is there a delay (stuck at 0% for a while) before the download starts?
If so, then the proxy might be configured with an aggressive retry policy and caches the whole file before it sends it to the client. The seemingly fast speed you get is then between you and the proxy.
Proxies can also keep retrying to download the file "in background" while your client (boinc) has been disconnected and is in retry delay. When boinc then tries to download it again, proxy may already have it in cache.

There is only a short delay, I assume its while the proxy sets up the connection. The delay is definitely nowhere near long enough for the proxy to cache the WU from Berkeley (at 2KBs + dropouts) before sending it on.

According to "Kirdnem(Vince)", the proxy is located in New York.

T.A.

I'm not sure that proxy is in NY. This is my trace from NJ.
 4   151 ms    29 ms    10 ms  xe-3-1-0-0-ar03.audubon.nj.panjde.comcast.net [68.85.62.113]
 5    22 ms    18 ms    14 ms  pos-3-8-0-0-cr01.ashburn.va.ibone.comcast.net [68.86.95.153]
 6    13 ms    14 ms    14 ms  be-15-pe04.ashburn.va.ibone.comcast.net [68.86.84.222]
 7    17 ms    18 ms    21 ms  66.208.229.134
 8    23 ms    16 ms    14 ms  te0-4-0-1.ccr22.dca01.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.41.233]
 9    33 ms    33 ms    32 ms  te0-0-0-4.ccr22.ord01.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.40.202]
10    52 ms    52 ms    55 ms  te0-4-0-0.ccr22.mci01.atlas.cogentco.com [66.28.4.33]
11    94 ms    96 ms    90 ms  te0-1-0-3.ccr22.sfo01.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.30.69]
12    94 ms    95 ms    88 ms  te9-4.ccr02.sjc01.atlas.cogentco.com [66.28.4.6]
13    88 ms    88 ms    88 ms  te4-4.ccr02.sjc03.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.6.234]
14    91 ms    91 ms    96 ms  38.104.138.70
15    86 ms    95 ms    95 ms  unknown.blyon.com [69.163.96.2]
4547) Message boards : Number crunching : More HE Problems ???? (Message 1170859)
Posted 13 Nov 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Using NetIP I found it was unable to get all the way in from Germany.

Stopping at 64.71.140.42 Which I don't recall if that is the PAIX box or not.
4548) Message boards : Number crunching : Why did the 4pin powered cards die out? (Message 1170856)
Posted 13 Nov 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
So they add a couple more pins to cut down the load on each one.

That makes sense. The 4 pin molex has only one 12V pin.

If the power requirements for the card are low enough I don't see why they couldn't still use the 4 pin connector. Often the lowest end cards are 20-30w and don't require any extra power form the supply. Then they tend to jump up to 50-80w.

Also if you don't have a PCIe power connector from the supply the PSU may not be able to provide enough current for the card you wish to use. The ATX spec added the PCIe connector and also increased the 12v current.
4549) Message boards : Number crunching : Why did the 4pin powered cards die out? (Message 1170851)
Posted 13 Nov 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Like many other things the power connector on the video cards had no standard. Some manufactures used the smaller floppy connector, other used the larger ones like the HD and ODDs use. There is also a limited amount of power the 5v/12v 4 pin connectors are designed for.

So the PCIe power connector was spec'd out around 2004 for:
12v 6 Pin = 75w
12v 8 pin = 150w
4550) Message boards : Number crunching : How good is the q8400 cpu (Message 1170849)
Posted 13 Nov 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
DCF is Duration Correction Factor. Basically, it is a constantly adjusting number that is used to estimate task run times. After the server adjusts your run times to a reasonable number, the DCF will make small adjustments after every task completes to keep your cache accurate. What will happen with two very different GPU's in one machine is this: Card A completes a task in 10 minutes, which is right for the server side estimates, so your DCF stays near 1.0. However, when Card B completes a task in 60 minutes, your DCF will jump to 6.0, because it took 6 times longer than the server originally estimated for the task. This will likely make your BOINC client freak out, thinking your, say 3 day cache, is now an 18 day cache. When the faster card completes more tasks, it will slowly chip it's way back to 1.0, but will be reset back to 6.0 when the slow card completes a task again. There are mechanisms in place to keep the different apps (CPU vs GPU vs Astropulse) from messing with each other, but when its the same app on two very different GPU's, there is no way to easily make them work together. Your cache and run time estimates would never stabilize.

IMO, to have the best setup, it's good practice to keep the GPU's similar, or just not use the oddballs for BOINC. You could easily keep the 8800 in the machine and use it just to drive the monitor. In fact, by default, BOINC won't use the 8800 if a better card is installed. It will normally only allow the best card(s) in the machine to crunch, and ignore the slower cards.


If in the cc_config.xml they are using.
<use_all_gpus>1</use_all_gpus>
Then the 8800 could be ignored with this command.
<ignore_cuda_dev>N</ignore_cuda_dev>
Where N is the number of the card in BOINC. 0 or 2 depending on the order I would guess with 2 other cards.
4551) Message boards : Number crunching : More HE Problems ???? (Message 1170817)
Posted 13 Nov 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I got another download and I gave the download servers in the hosts file and using .13 I couldn't download anything and .18 was fine. I don't normally have any issues when this is acting us as my router sorts this out for me.

208.68.240.13 boinc2.ssl.berkeley.edu
208.68.240.18 boinc2.ssl.berkeley.edu

Edit: Also when the router was barfing all over itself before I didn't have any issues on my home connection. My work connection was unable to connect for some time, but it is currently w/o any issues it looks like.
4552) Message boards : Number crunching : More HE Problems ???? (Message 1170792)
Posted 13 Nov 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Recently most of the transfers I see are in the sub 5kbps range. However I do randomly see faster ones up to 100kbps. With the bandwidth maxed out things are expected to be slow with 42% chance of rain.

You missed the point of my post, through the proxy, download speeds were consistently 10X higher than what they were direct. There was no randomness about it, those results were observed over an 8 hour period, maxxed out Crickets not withstanding.

T.A.

I understood what you were saying. I was just trying to share what I have seen & adding a note of how screwy things can be while we are maxed out.

I gave a proxy, 69.163.96.2:8080, a try to see if I would get the issue you are observing. However I got the same throughput with both settings in the 30-50k range. Now I'm out of downloads with my limits reached. Granted I had < 10 on each machine.
4553) Message boards : Number crunching : More HE Problems ???? (Message 1170782)
Posted 13 Nov 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Recently most of the transfers I see are in the sub 5kbps range. However I do randomly see faster ones up to 100kbps. With the bandwidth maxed out things are expected to be slow with 42% chance of rain.
4554) Message boards : Number crunching : GPU in the Lunatics' apps (Message 1170749)
Posted 13 Nov 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
OK, I finally gave in on my Q8200 with an ATI 4850 GPU. The estimated times for AP on the GPU was so extremely out of reality, it finishes 2 AP's in about 8 hours, but the estimations which never really came down even after hundreds of finished AP's on the GPU, was 28-35 hours per AP, it went down when one AP on the GPU was finished, but as soon as one AP on the CPU finished, it went back to more than 3 times the real value again.

So, I gave in, and have flopped all apps on that computer, and now it looks just fine for all new downloaded WU's of all types.

With all the talk of taking flops out because it "wasn't needed" I left it in there. As it doesn't hurt anything if it isn't needed, but if it is then bang it is already there. If it ain't fixed don't broke eet.
4555) Message boards : Number crunching : I know I shouldn't look a gift horse in the mouth, but... (Message 1170745)
Posted 13 Nov 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
In fact once you've got the command or BAT file setup you can just have it run as a scheduled task via the windows task scheduler.

All you need to do is work out when the scheduled outage starts in your time zone and have it run once to disable comms and a another one to turn comms back on after the outage.

There is a duration field in the example HAL9000 gave. I thought it would automatically come back on after the duration had expired, would it not?

In the manual that I posted a link to it states: "If duration is zero or absent, this mode is permanent. Otherwise, after 'duration' seconds elapse, revert to last permanent mode.". So for '--set_network_mode never 21600' that is effectually a 6 hour snooze of the network if the last setting was '--set_network_mode auto' or '--set_network_mode always'. However if the last setting was '--set_network_mode never' nothing would change. Before I was using duration I was 2 timed events. One ran on Tuesday at 11:00AM EDT for '--set_network_mode never' and then again at 5:00PM for '--set_network_mode auto'. However I found using duration to be a better suited to the job. On my work network sometimes a machine or two will miss a command. So having duration turn the network back on automatically is much better than sending the auto command a few times.

In my other bat files that need to repeat every so often I use the timeout command at the end.
@ECHO OFF
Set dtime=43200
:start
@ECHO Updating everyone %time%
start /min Update_All.bat
timeout %dtime% /nobreak
goto start

I guess there were some advantages of growing up in the DOS era.

I found using BOINCcmd to be the easiest way to manage my ~30 machines. At home I only have 1 machine connected to the UPS data connection. So I have an event setup 'when the computer is on batteries', or whatever it is exactly, that it runs the command to suspend computation on all of my other machines. Then once it is off of the battery resume. If I had a UPS with a network connection I probably wouldn't need to do that, but it is what I have to work with.
4556) Message boards : Number crunching : I know I shouldn't look a gift horse in the mouth, but... (Message 1170661)
Posted 13 Nov 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Most of these servers are actually in the same building. 80 percent of them are blade servers and we can get 64 of them per 6 foot cabinet, (4 chassis with 16 blades per chassis).

I use one of the excellent tools from eFMer, boinctasks, http://www.efmer.eu/boinc/boinc_tasks/download.html. (thanks Fred) There is a "retry all" selection that can be used to trigger download retries on multiple machines. This tool is "a must" to be able to manage a large number of machines.

I can spend a lot to time clicking retry to get the server caches full. (I guess SETI benfits from my OCD) The last few weeks I have not been able to keep a cache on most of the servers because downloads can take up to 50 retries before completing. Last week I was not able to get many tasks at all and I had to let the machines crunch my backup project, Einstein@Home.


I use BOINCcmd, which is part of BOINC, to have my machines automatically retry their transfers every 6 hours. It has a lot of useful commands when you need to control a plethora of remote hosts.
On Tuesdays once we go down for maintenance I normally suspend network communication for all of my machines for 6 hours with 1 click of a bat file.

This is one I use for my machines at home.
set cmdpath=S:\BOINC
set pass=password
set cmd=--set_network_mode never 21600
%cmdpath%\boinccmd --host HAL9000II --passwd %pass% %cmd%
REM %cmdpath%\boinccmd --host HAL9000 --passwd %pass% %cmd%
%cmdpath%\boinccmd --host HTPCII --passwd %pass% %cmd%
%cmdpath%\boinccmd --host SAL9000II --passwd %pass% %cmd%
REM %cmdpath%\boinccmd --host SAL9000 --passwd %pass% %cmd%
%cmdpath%\boinccmd --host AE35 --passwd %pass% %cmd%
4557) Message boards : Number crunching : CUDA on AGP - is possible? (Message 1170574)
Posted 12 Nov 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I thought HD 4650s wouldn't work because their workgroup size was too small.

There is or was an app for the lower end cards that supported OpenCL , but I didn't keep up on it as I don't have such hardware. The most recent thread.
Call for testers - low-end ATi HD4xxx, part 2
4558) Message boards : Number crunching : Optimised app for ATI/AMD 3850 GPU processing. (Message 1170567)
Posted 12 Nov 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
From where did you take info that SETI requires double precision on GPU ??? No released so far SETI GPU apps requires it. It can be used to some small benefit, but doesn't required at all...

Because that's the error message I got from SETI.
When I fitted a DP card the error message went away - DUH

What is this error you got from Seti@Home exactly?


See also:- http://www.unitedboinc.com/en/boinc-info/56-info/185-computation-credit
Specifically ... SETI@home uses almost all single-precision floating point math.

Translated ... if ONE math requires double precision then a single precision GPU won't EVER work!

How do you get that translation from the previous statement? Also the area where they are referring to that is under the heading of "Why 'predicted time' can be wrong".

Also, I prefer http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Computation_credit. Which is maintained by the BOINC developers.


Running Astropulse on a 3850 [DP] card works - very badly - see elsewhere.

Facts only. From my perspective.

Opinion (rare for me):- Clearly, with the passage of time documentation/software becomes outdated and if so it is the responsibility of the genius developer/author to post relevant updates wherever confusion occurs to us simpletons.

It was clear during the development of the hybrid application, well over 2 years ago, that these card would not be chart toppers. AMD didn't seem to be very helpful on the support side either.

I'm not sure what research you did that pointed out this card being the one to get for Seti@Home. If you bought it around the time of your inital post I am surprised you could even find one.
4559) Message boards : Number crunching : Laptop, Samsung RV511-S06SE (i3 380M) + Nvidia 315M (Message 1170560)
Posted 12 Nov 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Still rising RAC. Now at 4,539.15.

The little GPU really seem to be doing a good job.
4560) Message boards : Number crunching : Public beta for nVidia AstroPulse, rev 521 (Message 1170556)
Posted 12 Nov 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
1) Go to the google
2) Type NVIDIA 266.66
3) Find results.

US Site & Drivers
http://www.nvidia.com/object/win7-winvista-64bit-266.66-whql-driver.html
http://www.nvidia.com/object/win7-winvista-32bit-266.66-whql-driver.html
UK Site & Drivers
http://uk.geforce.com/drivers/results/26972
http://uk.geforce.com/drivers/results/26956

Also for other languages the 64 bit drivers are in the range of:
http://uk.geforce.com/drivers/results/26965
http://uk.geforce.com/drivers/results/26980
& 32 bit drivers are in the range of:
http://uk.geforce.com/drivers/results/26964
http://uk.geforce.com/drivers/results/26964
4561) Message boards : Number crunching : I know I shouldn't look a gift horse in the mouth, but... (Message 1170552)
Posted 12 Nov 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
It was a rubber one. Too many PETA members in my town....

Is that People Eating Tasty Animals, or People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals?*

I noticed a few of my machines are to the same point of processing things faster than downloading as well. Such is the will of the S@H gods.

*Disclaimer: I don't eat animals nor am I a member of either group.
4562) Message boards : Number crunching : CPU cooling issues (Message 1170226)
Posted 11 Nov 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The place where I bought the machine has recommended AGAINST changing the CPU fan to an aftermarket one as it will blow air on to the mothboard rather than suck it away, causing more problems.

Then they are idiots- i wouldn't use them again. If the stock cooler is sucking & not blowing it's cooling ability will be significantly reduced- it's meant to blow the air down through the CPU heatsink, and thern on to the motherboard to help cool the motherboard components.
Many high performance coolers don't blow any air on to the motherboard as they are mounted vertically & so blow it across the board instead.

The higher end coolers that Intel sends out with their extreme CPUs also do this.
4563) Message boards : Number crunching : CPU cooling issues (Message 1170206)
Posted 11 Nov 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The stock Intel coolers are often lacking in the ability to cool the CPU during medium to high usage. So I find it odd that the place you got the computer from would advise against changing the CPU cooler out. However it might just be their policy so they don't have to deal with any issues that might come up from 3rd party parts.

Besides software to control the CPU usage you could also limit the number of tasks that BOINC runs at a time. Such at 75% or 50% of CPUs in the preferences.

Disabling turbo boost might be helpful if you haven't tried that yet.
4564) Message boards : Number crunching : More For The BOINC Wish List (Message 1170196)
Posted 11 Nov 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thanks for that, but it still doesn't fix the problem of the "stuck" units. If I set the cc_config file for 4 units, it still leaves the possibility open to finish up with 4 stuck ones and I'm back to square one with no work around.

T.A.

How about making it so they don't get "stuck" instead? For the stickers I just suspend network activity for 5-15 seconds and then resume it. Then the stickers normally go through instantly.
4565) Message boards : Number crunching : # of tasks per GPU list (Message 1170095)
Posted 11 Nov 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Please keep in mind, that it's not a GPU only thing - stuff like memory and bus rates play a part as well.
(which is why we always say you need to check on your particular system, how many units in parallel give the highest throughput)

There are several factors that come into play that I would like to sort out.

The first one being just tasks per GPU.

Other things, that I can think of right now, that would be useful.
GPU memory required per task.
GPU memory bus bandwidth.
Multiple cards vs # of tasks.
PCIe bus speed effects on number of running tasks.

It could come down to something simple like needing X number of GPU cores, Y amount of memory bandwidth, & N amount of PCIe bandwidth.
4566) Message boards : Number crunching : AMD FX-8120 (Message 1170089)
Posted 11 Nov 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thanks for the input. The 2500K does look like a great chip.

I've been kind of leaning toward the AMD's since it seems like they do better with the number of x16 slots. AMD 990FX chipset can do 16x, 8x, 8x. VS. 16x, 8x, 4x with the P67 chipset. But I have seen Intel rigs running 3 & 4 GPUs, but not sure what Motherboards/chipsets there using.

You might want to have a look at these articles on Toms Hardware.
GeForce And Radeon On Intel's P67: PCIe Scaling Explored
AMD FX: Energy Efficiency Compared To Eight Other CPUs
4567) Message boards : Number crunching : # of tasks per GPU list (Message 1169892)
Posted 10 Nov 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
HAL9000,

All of the Geforce 400/500 series can run multiples at least 3 (verified on my GTX 480's). How fast they will run is another story. It just comes down to ram on how many they can run at one time.

I knew the GF cards needed to be Fermi based, but wasn't sure about the low end cards like the 420/520. It might be a simpler list for those cards.

Perhaps something like:
Card		  RAM	Tasks
GF 400/500	  2GB	3
GF 400/500	  1GB	2
GF 400/500	512MB	1
GF 200 & lower		1


Almost and card CAN run more than 1 task at a time, but the older cards just will give you 2 at twice the time.
4568) Message boards : Number crunching : 2 Nvidia 550' or a 560 TI (Message 1169890)
Posted 10 Nov 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Wow, my 450's came in. Installed without a problem. Wow!! Could not be any
happier with them. CONCIDERABLY less heat than the 250's. Shoot I might even
be able to continue crunching in the summer months with these two puppies!!
I want to run them as is for a week or so in case any problems should come
up. Then I want to change it to where they will both run two work unit's at
a time. I looked for the application file I needed to change but had not luck
locating it.

I found this in another thread by Skildude.

The only thing you'll need to do is edit your app_info which will be found
in the setiathome folder under programdata/BOINC/projects/setiathome/ when
you've installed the optimized apps.

what you'll edit is the <count> from 1 to 0.5 to run 2 WU's at a time 0.33 for
3 WU's etc


But I could not find the app_info file.

I am running XP-64 with BOINC version 6.10.60 with app_info.xml; anonymous
platform. Didn't see a version for that but I am pretty sure I downloaded
the most recent one.

If anybody could give me a step by step lesson I would be very grateful!!

Your app_info.xml file will be in projects\setiathome.berkeley.edu.
Which be be found in one of the two locations depending on your OS.
XP & lower:
C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\BOINC
Vista & higher:
C:\ProgramData\BOINC
Unless you changed the data folder during the installation of BOINC.
4569) Message boards : Number crunching : # of tasks per GPU list (Message 1169886)
Posted 10 Nov 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have been wondering if anyone has been keeping track of which GPUs can effectively run more than 1 S@H task at a time. I have seen talk about running 2 & 3at a time. So I was thinking about putting it all down in a list, something like the table you see below, and sticking up on my web server.
# of tasks	1	2	3	4
NVIDIA-----------------------------------------
GF 590		Y	?	?	?
GF 580		Y	?	?	?
GF 570		Y	?	?	?
GF 560 Ti 2GB	Y	?	?	?
GF 560 Ti 1GB	Y	?	?	?
GF 560		Y	?	?	?
GF 550 Ti	Y	?	?	?
GF 550		Y	?	?	?
AMD/ATI----------------------------------------
HD 6990		Y	?	?	?
HD 6970		Y	?	?	?
HD 6950	  2GB	Y	?	?	?
HD 6950   1GB	Y	?	?	?
HD 6870		Y	?	?	?
HD 6850		Y	?	?	?
HD 6790		Y	?	?	?
HD 6770   1GB	Y	?	?	?
HD 6770 512MB	Y	?	?	?
HD 6750   1GB	Y	?	?	?
HD 6750 512MB	Y	?	?	?
4570) Message boards : Number crunching : Q9550 & 2 AMD HD 4770s running POEM & SETI fine and dandy (Message 1169883)
Posted 10 Nov 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
You most certainly can run more than 1 task at a time on the HD 4000 cards. You get more tasks running at slower speeds without any overall benefit whatsoever.


So the answer is you shouldn't bother attempting it


LOL! Those two comments have convinced me to fire-up My Two Athlon XP 2400s and One Athlon XP2500 so I can run SETI even More InEfficiently.

The Slower and More Inefficient The Better when it concerns finding ET.

Guess I won't build The Beast. It was going to have Four EVGA GeForce GTX 560 Ti 2Win and The New Intel I7 Ivy Bridge.

Sigh. BahWhaaaa. I just wanted to see if I could edit my app_info, like has been mentioned so many times and if temps/wattage would be OK. BaWhaaa. Wanted to see if I could "Do it" like The Big Boys.

Thanks for The Honesty and "Support" Bbbbooooooooooyzzz.

Dull

Sometimes it is fun to do things just to see what happens. I wouldn't say that running multiple tasks on those cards reduces the efficiency. If you were running 1 task at 30 minutes you just get 2 tasks running at 60 minutes.

There might be a slight gain in running more than 1 tasks for these cards. The beta testing was to long ago for me to recall exactly. However, I think it was something like <1% speed increase & a great deal more heat.

So if you wanted to generate more heat for the winter it would defiantly be the way to go!
4571) Message boards : Number crunching : Q9550 & 2 AMD HD 4770s running POEM & SETI fine and dandy (Message 1169852)
Posted 10 Nov 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Can Two ATI/AMD Sparkle 512MB HD4770s in Crossfire run 2 WUs each for total of 4 WUs? Yep. Decided to try and it is working fine.

4 SETI WUs by 2 HD4770s and 3 WUs by the Q9550 for total of 7.
<snip>
Dull


You most certainly can run more than 1 task at a time on the HD 4000 cards. You get more tasks running at slower speeds without any overall benefit whatsoever.
4572) Message boards : Number crunching : Core 2 Duo vs i7 860 (Message 1169844)
Posted 10 Nov 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

Greetings Hal9000,

That is the machine, but I have reconfigured it for my girlfriend to use since her HP was a piece of crap. .oO(will never buy or use a pre-built PC)

The machine is now: 6117342

Perhaps that will shed a bit more light on this quest. I just don't see how that older rig can out do my newer one. :/

Keep on BOINCing...! :)

Well I have good news and some bad news.

Bad news:
You lied to us! :) but it isn't that bad.
Looks like the machine has a GeForce 9600 instead of GeForce 7600.

Good news:
The GPU is processing tasks & doing most of the work on that machine. Out of the 54 completed tasks I can see only 2 of them were run on the CPU. Where they ran 6-7 hours. There are a lot of GPU tasks that have run about 10 minutes & several others that ran about 45 minutes.
4573) Message boards : Number crunching : Is this the new normal (Message 1169808)
Posted 10 Nov 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I'm back after the summer heat. work is hard to download is this the new normal???

Also what the current state, any improvements to boinc client, improvements to apps i must have (kwsn apps), or nvidia drivers?

I don't see how the "new normal" is any different than the "old normal".

On the good days there is a 1 in 10 chance that everything will be working. That doesn't seem any different to me. :)

I was having some funkyness with the 285.62 drivers on my 8500 GT and went back to the 280.26 release.
4574) Message boards : Number crunching : Core 2 Duo vs i7 860 (Message 1169799)
Posted 10 Nov 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
My Core 2 Duo E8400 @ 3.0GHz does a normal AR tasks in 60-90 minutes. If you are seeing 17 minutes those would more than likely be "shorties", or VHAR tasks. They simply take less time and we had a lot of them recently.

-[ snip ]-

Greetings Hal9000,

My apologies, but this does not answer my questions. Perhaps a bit more info is required.

The average 17 minute MB (Multi-beam) WUs is not just a few scattered here and there amongst other MB WUs taking longer, on the Core 2 Duo. ALL MB WUs are averaging 17 minutes. I don't know about AP (Astropulse) WUs.

Before I rebuilt the Core 2 with Windows XP Home edition I was running Kubuntu on it and all MB WUs were averaging about 1.5 hours. That is still much better then my i7.

There's a major difference between all MB WUs averaging 17 minutes on the Core 2 and all MB WUs averaging between 1.5 and 5.5 hours on my i7. That is what I am trying to figure out. Why?

Also, Astropulse WUs average about 35 hours on my i7. That seems a bit excessive too...

Oh, one last thing, neither PC is running on any Optimized apps.

Keep on BOINCing...! :)

When I view your list of machines I see 4680158. Which seems to be the configuration you are talking about. However I don't see any active tasks on it and it shows that it hasn't connect since May 4th 2010. So I am unable to tell what might have been going on with the tasks at were running an average of 17 minutes. Could you point out a few of the tasks?. If you could then the answer might be easier to find. It could also have been those tasks were full of noise and ended early with -9s.

Currently I have a E6300 & a E6400 running. If you look at the tasks on those machine there are only a few with the AR near .42. Which run about 2 hours on those machines. A large portion of the current tasks you will see are in the VHAR range and have been running less than 30 minutes. With a few VLAR tasks running closer to 3 hours.

One thing to remember with the i7 is that it is running 8 tasks at a time. A machine running 8 tasks at 120 minutes is much better than a machine running 2 tasks at 90 minutes.
90 minutes * 2 at a time = 32 a day
120 minutes * 8 at a time = 96 a day
4575) Message boards : Number crunching : Graphics Card Hierarchy Chart (Message 1169722)
Posted 10 Nov 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
A great little chart to take a look at if you're trying to figure out which graphics card to buy.

Graphics Card Hierarchy Chart

And for the project there is the Top GPU models list. Which is a work in progress & the last I heard it only uses data from the stock application(s).
4576) Message boards : Number crunching : Core 2 Duo vs i7 860 (Message 1169721)
Posted 10 Nov 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
My Core 2 Duo E8400 @ 3.0GHz does a normal AR tasks in 60-90 minutes. If you are seeing 17 minutes those would more than likely be "shorties", or VHAR tasks. They simply take less time and we had a lot of them recently.

My i7-860 does normal AR tasks on the 90-120 minute range with 8 at a time. With 4 at a time tasks run about the same as the E8400.

The thing tot check besides time is the AR, Angle Range, of the work in question.

If you look at the information for your results. Here is one for an example. You will see the line WU true angle range is : 0.422648. An AR of 0.42 often seems to generally be the center of what is "normal".

Also I will note that I am using the Lunatics optimized apps. So my quoted times might be shorter than what you see on your system.
4577) Message boards : Number crunching : This is a conspiracy!!! (Message 1169713)
Posted 10 Nov 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
It must be the aliens trying to keep us from finding them by controlling the minds of the guys at the project. So the limit how much we can do... :D
4578) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (60) Server problems? (Message 1169483)
Posted 9 Nov 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
OK, that's it then. The project could handle 2 billion results, and then it's kaputt, finito, goodbye. (didn't anybody have the foresight to think we could reach beyond 2 billion results???)

I guess all that's left for me then, is to realize that ET was not to be found by this method, uninstall SETI from all my computers, and say goodbye and thanks for the coffee (and the toaster I was promised but never got)...

NOT

:-)

Maybe the servers are processing toaster orders while the boyz are fixing the code...


Not likely, since the project is back again. Yeah well, maybe during another outage.....

Would be nice if you are correct, but I would be quite surprised if they are really ready to rock.

My best guess would be that they are just letting some completed work flow in to further whittle down the database before some real work commences.

But, you know the kitties could be wrong.........

Looks like that might be it. Scheduling is down again.
4579) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (60) Server problems? (Message 1169475)
Posted 9 Nov 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Not likely, since the project is back again. Yeah well, maybe during another outage.....


I think you spoke too soon. I managed to report all of my finished tasks, but now uploads dont work and requests for new tasks just get a response that the project has none available.

Things seems to be up it is now just post maintenance DDOS the server time. The next few updates of the cricket graph will probably show bandwidth maxed again (hopefully).
4580) Message boards : Number crunching : How good is the q8400 cpu (Message 1169417)
Posted 9 Nov 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
When you guys talk about using cores on the CPU to "feed" the GPU, is this somthing that has to be setup?

If so when does this become nessarry?

My system currently has a duel core CPU and one GPU. So its normally running 2 WU's on the CPU and 1 WU on the GPU (.4 CPU)

When they use a core to "feed" a GPU is seems to be from the GPUs needing to load tasks as such a rate that the CPU app bogs things down. So reducing the number of CPU tasks by 1 frees up a core to just load/unload tasks in the GPU. Which has increased their overall output for those system with several GPUs, or possibly really really fast single GPUs.
4581) Message boards : Number crunching : How good is the q8400 cpu (Message 1169297)
Posted 9 Nov 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
My E7600 @ 3.06 GHz (stock speed) have a ~ 3,000 RAC (with SSSE3 opti MB app (the SSE4.1 opti MB app is slower on this/my system (cofirmed with bench-test))).


If someone has a E6850 it could be compared to the E8400 to see how 4MB vs 6MB effects things. They are both 3.0GHz with the same 1333MHz bus.

Even with the E8400 having more cache and a higher bus than the E7600 the RAC is only about 500 higher.
4582) Message boards : Number crunching : How good is the q8400 cpu (Message 1169203)
Posted 8 Nov 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
So I take it going from 6MB of cache to 4MB of cache will also hurt as well as the drop in Ghz?

I am not sure how much cache effects things these days, but something tells me 6MB for 2 cores is better than 4MB for 4 cores. One of the gurus that understand how S@H moves things around in the CPU would be best to answer that question.
4583) Message boards : Number crunching : I wonder how? (Message 1169201)
Posted 8 Nov 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
http://boincstats.com/stats/boinc_user_graph.php?pr=bo&id=1623
Does this help?

That is much more helpful than "How can this computer have an RAC of 150,000+ per day? Just wondering.". It also points to the same things I make the link to in my last message with the explanation.

If you had said:
How can this computer have an RAC of 150,000+ per day? Just wondering.
http://boincstats.com/stats/boinc_user_graph.php?pr=bo&id=1623

Someone would have been able to tell you very quickly. Instead of taking several attempts of trying to pull information out of you. As of yet no one can read others minds on here.
4584) Message boards : Number crunching : I wonder how? (Message 1169154)
Posted 8 Nov 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
BOINC Cross Project IDentifier 60ea0cad4f2e46ea764f0a669b0a5131

That is a user CPID instead of a machine, but they do have about 150k RAC on primegrid which "pays" more than Seti@Home.
I have no idea which site you were looking at. As you didn't bother to provide the actual address.
As address looks like this by the way: http://boincstats.com/stats/boinc_user_graph.php?pr=bo&id=60ea0cad4f2e46ea764f0a669b0a5131
4585) Message boards : Number crunching : How good is the q8400 cpu (Message 1169151)
Posted 8 Nov 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I've also been looking at the Q8400. I found one new for about $140. I'd be able to do 4 WU's at a time with the Q8400, but at only 2.66 GHz vs. 2 WU's at a time @ 3 GHz

Would it still be worth it to replace my E8400 with a Q8400?


Going from an E8400 to a Q8400 would also be going form 6MB of cache to 4MB of cache. I was looking at the Q9550S or Q9650 to upgrade my E8400 & use the C2D for my HTPC. Since I would have to buy a board and ram the cost ended up being less to just build an i7-860 system. Which I'm still not sure how I feel wbout the 800 series i7s.
4586) Message boards : Number crunching : More For The BOINC Wish List (Message 1169147)
Posted 8 Nov 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Option 1 - Some way to Abort units from the "Your Computers" page.

So that duplicate computers created by server errors can be gotten rid of as soon as they are created or the units assigned to dead computers can be released without having to wait the 6 weeks till they time out.

(And before someone states the bleeding obvious - I know the these "ghost" computers can be "merged" with the existing computer but the "merge" always gets the latest ID number and I'm sick of losing my "historical" numbers to server stuff ups)

Option 2 - In the above situation, Be able to choose which ID number is scrapped and which one is retained.

T.A.

I would like something like a "decommission" function on the web page. Which would be the same result as aborting all tasks on that machine and then detaching.
4587) Message boards : Number crunching : I wonder how? (Message 1169145)
Posted 8 Nov 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Sorry for the omition, here it is: AMD Phenom(tm) II X6 1100T Processor 1(6) Microsoft Windows 7

That narrows it down a little but if you want us to know what you are talking about how about copy and pasting the information in the address bar from the page you are looking at.

Edit: By "That narrows it down a little" there are probably only around 1000 or so machines in that configuration.
4588) Message boards : Number crunching : I wonder how? (Message 1169144)
Posted 8 Nov 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Well on the Top Computers list there is one from Peter Sprogis at 150k & one from Morten Ross at about 170k.

I would think looking at their computer configuration would be self evident, but in case you missed it. Look at the line for each on those systems that reads:
Coprocessors [8] NVIDIA GeForce GTX 590 (1471MB) driver: 275.33
4589) Message boards : Number crunching : Pet Peeve: date formats (Message 1169142)
Posted 8 Nov 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
But we all know the Mayan calendar runs out in December 2012 and we won't have to worry about it. Hieroglyphs anyone?

We also know that the current calendar runs out every year on December 31st.

I like those fun dates like 06/05/04 03:02:01. So 11/11/11 11:11:11 works for me also.
4590) Message boards : Number crunching : rescheduler VLAR (Message 1169060)
Posted 8 Nov 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
i also have another question i dont know if its possible as i have read that the machine id gets put on the work unit... but i dont know if that has changed... i have an older hd2400 card that i have working on ap units but their are many times where their is no work for it.... i didnt know if i can move them to that computer or not? This current machine im on has a hd6670. so um yeah..

Any and all help is apreciated thanks guys

You can have another machine process work from one that has downloaded it, but there is no way to just move a task from one machine to another.
4591) Message boards : Number crunching : How about raising the limits .... (Message 1167912)
Posted 5 Nov 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
On my GTX460 machine, I have almost 400 units allocated to it. Only problem is most of them are waiting to download.

The GTX560 only has 140 with 118 of those still trying to download.

Only button abuse will save ya now....LOL.

EDIT...
It may be a good time to use the retry button....
AP work has run out until a new dataset is loaded for splitting.
So all the bandwidth is available for MB downloads (and, I suppose, whatever AP downloads have been stuck too).

No telling how long this window might last.


Not long at all, new files loaded for AP (and MB) splitting.

So you may not freeze to death after all!
4592) Message boards : Number crunching : NVIDIA NVS 295 - BOINC reporting less video memory, not computing (Message 1167614)
Posted 4 Nov 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I was wondering if anyone has any tips for me. I have a desktop with a NVIDIA NVS 295 with 256MB dedicated video memory, 8 CUDA cores, etc. When I go to the event log, it reports my video memory as 241 and won't download CUDA tasks for me. Any ideas?

Thanks,
Dan

Reporting 241MB should be fine. My 8500 GT seems to be reporting 239MB at the moment and is working fine. Have you made sure you have 'Use NVIDIA GPU' set to 'Yes' in your preferences on the website here?
4593) Message boards : Number crunching : Why does a dcf swing[solved] (Message 1167435)
Posted 3 Nov 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Floyd:
Here is what it is showing ,
<snip>

Is 8 gig single channel better than 4 gig duel channel ?

Unless your sticks of RAM are fighting I guess you mean dual channel. :)

Multi-channel is generally always better than single channel. Also 8GB DIMMs run about $300 each at the moment and 4GB Dimms are about $25. Something like $40-50 for a 8GB kit of 2 4GB DIMMS.

VW Bobier:
No difference under 6.12.41, still 8GB, CPU-Z 0.5.5 at least reports 16GB is present and working.


That is really odd. I looked over the systems in the stats and I couldn't find and i5-700s with 16GB. I did see a few reporting 12GB, but i don't know of the others showing 8GB are really 8GB or not. BOINC does seem to be happy with 16GB with and i7-800 and 24GB in my dual Xeon box.
You don't have anything in your CC_config or settings limting memory usage do you?
4594) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (59) Server problems? (Message 1167150)
Posted 2 Nov 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I'm confused....

A few minutes ago I looked at the front page and it clearly says that the DOWNLOAD server is going for a day or two R&R, so no downloads.
(posted at 2 Nov 2011 | 3:49:57 UTC)

BUT

A minute later I looked at the the BOINC message tab, and saw that I'd just received an MB WU:

The BOINC server may be down, but luckily the Seti server is still up.

What Grant said. Also BOINC is not Seti@Home and Seti@Home is not BOINC. Seti@Home runs within BOINC somewhat like BOINC runs within an OS.
4595) Message boards : Number crunching : GeForce GT430 vs. GT520 for HP MicroServer (Message 1167149)
Posted 2 Nov 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thanks for pointing out the error in the links, but it won't let me edit the original post anymore.

So you know. You only get 1 Hr to edit a post here.

The WDC green drives normally run the the 5-7w range depending on the number of platters. I have been using an older 1TB model for the past several years.

My machine that uses a mobile Core 2 Duo draws about 40-50w running S@H full tilt. It only has 1 2.5" SATA drive in it, but the TDP of the Atom is about 25% of my C2D. So you are probably running near the same or more than likely less than I am right now. Also the HD5450 is about a 20w card.
4596) Message boards : Number crunching : Killed a 525W PSU, throwing a 850W at SETI@home (Message 1167147)
Posted 2 Nov 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I am thinking the other way, that is to use a smaller power supply(but high efficiency one) to reduce the power consumption
A desktop with a pentium I5 (less than 100W), motherboard+onboard graphics card+harddisk will not consume more than 150W, take out the DVD drive.
So a 250W will be enough.

I also running setiathome on a laptop, this laptop's power supply is only 180Watt.

Most computer power supplies have their peek efficiency around 50%. So you may want closer to a 200w for maximum efficiency.

One of my systems that used a mobile processor and chipset only pulls 40-50w. So the 350w PSU in that case is running only being loaded about 15%. This is below the 20% load rating for 80Plus. So my efficiency could be awful.

Honestly I am surprised the PSU has lived all these years with that low of a load. Switching PSUs don't care to be underloaded just as much as they don't like being overloaded.
4597) Message boards : Number crunching : BOINC home page gone?? (Message 1167092)
Posted 2 Nov 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I wonder if it is the same reason it was down for a while a few weeks ago.
4598) Message boards : Number crunching : nVidia GT 440 (DDR3 model) RAC? (Message 1166984)
Posted 1 Nov 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have got one but it is overclocked to 850MHz gpu and 1333MHz memory.
RAC is between 5000 and 5300, so you can calculate how much you can get
from yours gt440.


I've never understood, why RAC, is obviously more important then a stable
functioning, set up.

When shopping it is nice to know things like how they perform for the money.
If we have 2 cards:
card A averages 3000 a day
card B averages 5000 a day
& the cost between the two is say $5 (£5, €5, or whatever). Then it is more cost effective to spend the extra 5.
4599) Message boards : Number crunching : GeForce GT430 vs. GT520 for HP MicroServer (Message 1166971)
Posted 1 Nov 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I bought this little microserver couple of weeks ago for data storage and want it to have some load so that it's not just idling all the time. I've been looking at the GT430 and GT520 (both 1 and 2GB 520s) and cannot decide which one to use there. The server has an OEM 150W power supply. I can use only half-height single slot models. The server also houses 5 HDDs.
Could you guys help me decide on the card?

There are two 430 models - newer black one and older green one. Right now I can only find the green one where I live.
Links:
EVGA GT430 01G-P3-1430-EL (green one)
EVGA GT430 1GB 01G-P3-1433 (black one)
EVGA GT520 1GB 01G-P3-1525-KR
EVGA GT520 2GB 02G-P3-1529-KR

UPDATE: Huh, EU site lists more models but can only get the ones I mentioned. Tried to make links clickable, but did not succeed.

They can never be bothered to give us ACTUAL power requirements for these things, but he TDP for for the 430 cars is 50-60w & the TDP for the 520 is ~30w. From that point of view I would opt for the 520. Then the question just becomes do you want 1GB or 2GB. If the cost if not a lot more I'd opt for the 2GB myself, but the 1GB card should be fine for S@H.

As this is a "microserver" are these 2.5" drives? They are generally 2.5w each. Where the 3.5" drives could be up in the 10-15w range each. Is this the Atom 330 based machine in your current list of computers?
4600) Message boards : Number crunching : Killed a 525W PSU, throwing a 850W at SETI@home (Message 1166867)
Posted 1 Nov 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Oddly enough I just smoked one on Saturday. I had not realized the 3.5" to 2.5" PATA adapters I was using had exposed solder joints where the power connector was located.
"I'll just set this drive down here on the case where it will be safe & turn it on."
Everything was fine at first. Then I heard the drive spinning down and up a few times. Then lots of smoke from everywhere. It still smells of burnt melted plastic & exploded silicone in here.
4601) Message boards : Number crunching : Idea for Boinc..... (Message 1166729)
Posted 31 Oct 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
This is more-or-less what is being planned for the next version of BOINC (being tested as v6.13.xx, planned for release as v7): rather than continually pestering the servers for one or two tasks to top up a static cache, the idea is to let the cache level run down to a chosen minimum level, and then request work to top it back up to a chosen maximum.

In the situation we are in now with limits on the number of tasks I think this would be especially useful. Where the heftier machines are returning and requesting tasks 1 at a time.
4602) Message boards : Number crunching : Why does a dcf swing[solved] (Message 1166682)
Posted 31 Oct 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
You should've stuck with your 1600MHz choice personally.

Cheers.

I've had access to 1600MHz ram and I'm not really all that impressed.


It seems to be doing the trick in my i7-860 HTPC. I have it only running 4 tasks vs the 8 tasks the 5 i7-860's I have at work with 1333MHz RAM. It seems to be holding its own against them pretty well. It is behind them a bit, but considering it is running half the tasks not to shabby. I don't have HT disabled I just have BOINC limited to 4 CPUs.
4603) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (59) Server problems? (Message 1166679)
Posted 31 Oct 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Aw, maaaan. I was watching a movie and my machine locked up, and it has come to my attention that the statistics xml file got corrupted/lost and my three years of stats are gone...well sort of.

I made a backup of the data directory back in March.. and I just copied the stats file from the single-core machine, and am presently splicing them together minus the host stats between March and now. Maybe I need to make a scheduled task that makes a backup of the folder every couple of days.

I use a .bat file to start things up on my boxes. With that kind of setup you could easily just throw in a copy command to back things up before BOINC starts up each time. This is one I am using on my current box.

rd %CD%\setiathome.berkeley.edu\sym /S /Q
%CD%\boinc.exe --skip_cpu_benchmarks --start_delay 90 --detach
start boincmgr.exe /s
timeout 5
rd %CD%\notices\ /S /Q

I prefer to compress things when I archive them. So I would probably go for something like.
winrar a "D:\BOINC_DataBU.rar" "D:\BOINC\Data\*"
or
start /wait winrar a -r "D:\BOINC_DataBU.rar" "D:\BOINC\Data\*"
depending on what I wanted exactly.
4604) Message boards : Number crunching : Idea for Boinc..... (Message 1166671)
Posted 31 Oct 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
And i endorse my opinion of compressing the data files before they are sent!
...
I just tried compressing sched_request and it was 510KB and the file became 17Kb in size.

The sched_request is no data file. And indeed, with the gigantic queues of some hosts, it would be a good idea to compress the scheduler files, but that would require a new client. Perhaps BOINC 7?

Gruß,
Gundolf
[edit]Which, by the way, was the topic of the very first post.[/edit]

Well, almost.
My original idea did not involve compression of data, but rather allowing the host computers to not send the entire cached task list back to the Seti servers on every work request, but perhaps only every 10th one or so. That would involve no extra overhead to the host or the Seti servers for compression/decompression/zip/unzip.
'Just' a change in the Boinc and server logic to handle it.
And LOL...as we have witnessed, any change in Boinc can have it's unforeseen pitfalls.

Perhaps an easier implementation would be an option "Only do communication every n tasks". Instead communication it might be "work request" or something along those lines.
4605) Message boards : Number crunching : problems keeping system crunching on all 4 cpu's (Message 1166667)
Posted 31 Oct 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Using the system monitor or task manager is what I use to determine how many cores are being used


It looks as if I need to do some learning about the flags etc. unfortunately no tome at present. I did note that when the system drops to 1 cpu , if i suspend the working task (always milky way) it starts 4 new tasks or picke up and continues previous work units on all 4 and keeps on all 4 when i unsuspend the task that i stopped.

I believe that others have said that the current MilkyWay application is multithreaded, using all four cores for a single task. If so, it should show something about (mt) in the application column in BOINC Manager, and tell you how many cores are being used in the Status column when Milkyway is running.

Apart from that, Boinc only shows you haw many tasks are running - use operating system tools like Task Manager or third-party utilities to check CPU usage.


Maybe there is something not working right in the version of BOINC you are running. Where an app like MW that can use multiple threads tells BOINC "I can run several threads", but doesn't tell it how many it is using. So BOINC just suspends all other tasks to give it what it thinks it needs. Also it could be when the MW tasks starts up it uses all the cores and then drops down to 1 or something along those lines.

It might be worth looking though the release notes to see if anything like this was mentioned for the linux version of BOINC. If not then it sounds like something that should be submitted to be fixed.
4606) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (59) Server problems? (Message 1166031)
Posted 28 Oct 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Have the Crickets run out of green pixels?

The blue pixels are missing as well. ;-)

They seem to be back at making green and blue ones instead of just the white ones now.
4607) Message boards : Number crunching : Seti cricket graph flat lined? (Message 1166006)
Posted 28 Oct 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
If my memory serves correctly, I remember Matt saying that it's not a powerful dedicated web server that runs those, either, which is the reason we're not supposed to hot-link.

Also, the data collection is done by SNMP traps. Devices just send out a broadcast SNMP packet saying what's going on at that particular moment, and the cricket server happens to be the one that listens and records the data. The Cricket software itself logs this information and makes a visual reference of it, but it does not do the actual SNMP capturing (I know this because I've tried setting up Cricket on my network before and found most of this out as I went).

I use MRTG myself. Which the cricket software is based on.
4608) Message boards : Number crunching : Seti cricket graph flat lined? (Message 1165987)
Posted 28 Oct 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Looks like the whole IS/IT department at berkeley lost their monitoring system wide.

The graphs are still advancing, but data collection seems to be kaput. Maybe someone changed the passwords on all of their hardware but didn't update the software with the new PW just yet.

The graphs are part of their IS/IT department so they will do with them as they please.
4609) Message boards : Number crunching : New GPU wu time for crunching. (Message 1165910)
Posted 28 Oct 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
( EDIT ) Ok I suspended , disconnected from Client , shut down boinc , restarted computer and restarted boinc. Unsuspended crunching , we'll see what, if any effect this has ...


The AR of the tasks are all similar. With the various kind of signals not being to odd between the two run length of tasks.

Looking on the results on that machine. The CPU time is a little higher, but basically the same as your other tasks that ran in the 1600 second range.

Have you already done a reboot, or power off/on, to see how that effects things?


No not yet... Not wanting to interupt the crunching if it wasn't necessary , ( if others are having the same effects ) then there wouldn't have been any reason to worry about it... I wasn't sure that it wasn't just a result of the Maintenance work done tuesday , I would be starting on the wu's from that time about now...

I guess I can shut down and reboot the system and see if that changes anything...


It seems to have helped... ( rebooting PC ) the wu's are taking about 1/2 hr instead of 1 1/2 hour again... Thanks Hal9000

You might want to track how often this happens on your system if you leave it run 24/7. Maybe you just need to reboot it once every few weeks to keep it happy.
I have noticed that is one of the quirks of heavy computing. Sometimes the computer just needs rebooted to keep it from being grumpy.
4610) Message boards : Number crunching : New GPU wu time for crunching. (Message 1165874)
Posted 27 Oct 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The AR of the tasks are all similar. With the various kind of signals not being to odd between the two run length of tasks.

Looking on the results on that machine. The CPU time is a little higher, but basically the same as your other tasks that ran in the 1600 second range.

Have you already done a reboot, or power off/on, to see how that effects things?
4611) Message boards : Number crunching : PSU on the bottom or top of the case and why (Message 1165841)
Posted 27 Oct 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Several of the cases I have seen with the PSU on the bottom also have holes/vents on the bottom. So the PSU can pull cool air from outside to cool itself. I don't really care for vents on the bottom of a case. As they tend not to work as well if the case is placed on carpet. The cases where the PSU mounts fan up and there is a a separate channel or boxed off area for the PSU to draw air from the front or sides I don't have an issue with though.

With the power connector for most motherboards being near the "top" the PSU on the bottom can be an issue if the length isn't sufficient. Most cases this isn't an issue.
4612) Message boards : Number crunching : problems keeping system crunching on all 4 cpu's (Message 1165839)
Posted 27 Oct 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Free memory is about 77% I reloaded the seti client and for the present I have 4 cpu's running. now to see why this vista machine is only getting about 100 a day. my XP machine gets at least 500 a day.

The logging flags that have to do with how BOINC decides what to do might be helpful in troubleshooting. There is a full listing of them here. With the right ones enabled you would be ableto go back through the history and see when things started going wonky. I would think <cpu_sched>, <cpu_sched_debug>, <sched_op_debug>, and/or <state_debug>.

Unfortunately, the logging flags don't work restrospectively - they only control what is logged, from the point where they are enabled, going forwards.

If the problems are ongoing, they can be a great help in analysing what's going on each time a problem - especially, any repeat of the earlier problems - happens from here on, but you won't see any more about the past than you can see already.

Speaking of which, the message/event log in BOINC Manager only displays events since the last time the BOINC core client was restarted. But there are files, stdoutdae.txt and stdoutdae.old, in your BOINC data directory which hold old messages going back before the last restart - up to 2MB by default, which for a standard installation can reach back several weeks or months. That may be enough to help you track things down. But if you need to enable the extra flags HAL9000 suggested, some - especially the _debug ones - are very verbose, and you would probably need to increase the size of the log files. Instruction for doing that are in the same listing HAL linked.

Unfortunately I knew what I meant, but it didn't all come out right. EBKAC it would seem. lol Good thing you pointed that out.
I had meant once they were enabled and BOINC restarted that once the behavior was occurring again that it could be scrolled back through to hopefully find the cause.
With the standard limit of 2MB like you mentioned it could need increased with the <max_stdout_file_size> option. If 2MB wasn't enough I would hope something like 10MB would be enough.
4613) Message boards : Number crunching : problems keeping system crunching on all 4 cpu's (Message 1165780)
Posted 27 Oct 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Free memory is about 77% I reloaded the seti client and for the present I have 4 cpu's running. now to see why this vista machine is only getting about 100 a day. my XP machine gets at least 500 a day.

The logging flags that have to do with how BOINC decides what to do might be helpful in troubleshooting. There is a full listing of them here. With the right ones enabled you would be ableto go back through the history and see when things started going wonky. I would think <cpu_sched>, <cpu_sched_debug>, <sched_op_debug>, and/or <state_debug>.
4614) Message boards : Number crunching : problems keeping system crunching on all 4 cpu's (Message 1165735)
Posted 27 Oct 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
This is all the messages in the q since I rebooted this morning
to answer the other question about version
You are using Ubuntu 10.04 LTS - the Lucid Lynx - released in April 2010 and supported until April 2013.

Wed 26 Oct 2011 12:20:57 AM PDT Starting BOINC client version 6.10.17 for i686-pc-linux-gnu
Wed 26 Oct 2011 12:20:57 AM PDT log flags: file_xfer, sched_ops, task
Wed 26 Oct 2011 12:20:57 AM PDT Libraries: libcurl/7.19.7 OpenSSL/0.9.8k zlib/1.2.3.3 libidn/1.15
Wed 26 Oct 2011 12:20:57 AM PDT Data directory: /var/lib/boinc-client
Wed 26 Oct 2011 12:20:57 AM PDT Processor: 4 GenuineIntel Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q6600 @ 2.40GHz [Family 6 Model 15 Stepping 11]
Wed 26 Oct 2011 12:20:57 AM PDT Processor: 4.00 MB cache
Wed 26 Oct 2011 12:20:57 AM PDT Processor features: fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe nx lm constant_tsc arch_perfmon pebs bts aperfmperf pni dtes64 monitor ds_cpl vmx est tm2 ssse3 cx16 xtpr pdcm lahf_lm
Wed 26 Oct 2011 12:20:57 AM PDT OS: Linux: 2.6.32-34-generic
Wed 26 Oct 2011 12:20:57 AM PDT Memory: 1.96 GB physical, 5.75 GB virtual
Wed 26 Oct 2011 12:20:57 AM PDT Disk: 323.15 GB total, 295.47 GB free
Wed 26 Oct 2011 12:20:57 AM PDT Local time is UTC -7 hours
Wed 26 Oct 2011 12:20:57 AM PDT No usable GPUs found
Wed 26 Oct 2011 12:20:57 AM PDT Not using a proxy
Wed 26 Oct 2011 12:20:58 AM PDT SETI@home URL http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/; Computer ID 5861230; resource share 100
Wed 26 Oct 2011 12:20:58 AM PDT Milkyway@home URL http://milkyway.cs.rpi.edu/milkyway/; Computer ID 273415; resource share 100
Wed 26 Oct 2011 12:20:58 AM PDT SETI@home General prefs: from SETI@home (last modified 23-Oct-2011 21:18:40)
Wed 26 Oct 2011 12:20:58 AM PDT SETI@home Computer location: home
Wed 26 Oct 2011 12:20:58 AM PDT SETI@home General prefs: no separate prefs for home; using your defaults
Wed 26 Oct 2011 12:20:58 AM PDT Reading preferences override file
Wed 26 Oct 2011 12:20:58 AM PDT Preferences limit memory usage when active to 2011.86MB
Wed 26 Oct 2011 12:20:58 AM PDT Preferences limit memory usage when idle to 2011.86MB
Wed 26 Oct 2011 12:20:58 AM PDT Preferences limit disk usage to 32.31GB
Wed 26 Oct 2011 12:20:58 AM PDT SETI@home Restarting task ap_10jl11ab_B1_P0_00178_20110913_25929.wu_3 using astropulse_v505 version 506
Wed 26 Oct 2011 05:15:47 AM PDT SETI@home Sending scheduler request: To report completed tasks.
Wed 26 Oct 2011 05:15:47 AM PDT SETI@home Reporting 1 completed tasks, not requesting new tasks
Wed 26 Oct 2011 05:15:52 AM PDT SETI@home Scheduler request completed
Wed 26 Oct 2011 09:27:07 AM PDT SETI@home Starting ap_02ap11ad_B2_P0_00135_20111009_15263.wu_0
Wed 26 Oct 2011 09:27:07 AM PDT SETI@home Starting task ap_02ap11ad_B2_P0_00135_20111009_15263.wu_0 using astropulse_v505 version 506
Wed 26 Oct 2011 12:17:38 PM PDT SETI@home Computation for task ap_10jl11ab_B1_P0_00178_20110913_25929.wu_3 finished
Wed 26 Oct 2011 12:17:38 PM PDT SETI@home Resuming task ap_02ap11ad_B2_P0_00135_20111009_15263.wu_0 using astropulse_v505 version 506
Wed 26 Oct 2011 12:17:40 PM PDT SETI@home Started upload of ap_10jl11ab_B1_P0_00178_20110913_25929.wu_3_0
Wed 26 Oct 2011 12:17:46 PM PDT SETI@home Finished upload of ap_10jl11ab_B1_P0_00178_20110913_25929.wu_3_0

That does show only one task running at a time. I would think 2GB would be plenty, but depending on what the box is doing I guess it might not be. How does the free memory on the machine look?
4615) Message boards : Number crunching : S@H client will not start - side-by-side configuration is incorrect (Message 1165734)
Posted 27 Oct 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have seen this with the manager on several machines & OS's. As I no longer run the manager part of the application it isn't really an issue for me any longer. So I haven't spent the time to track down the cause.

Did you recently install updates on your Windows 7 machine, or possibly have it do it automatically for you? If you really think one of the updates is causing it you could uninstall the newest updates one at a time until BOINC Manager works again. Then reinstall the other updates except that one.

I have a weird issue on a Server 2008 machine where if I installed the .net updates & ran BOINC the machine would randomly crash. Uninstalling the .net updates resolved the issue.
4616) Message boards : Number crunching : Again -9 errors on GTX560Ti with optimized app.! (Message 1165595)
Posted 26 Oct 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Please go download, install MSI Afterburner 220 Beta 8, once a profile is saved and set, You can forget It, As a saved profile will stay in effect until overwritten and the MSI Afterburner is better than the Gigabyte program, Here's a description of MSI Afterburner. I use It 24/7, I've seen no problems, It can also adjust and set the gpu fan speed as well as down clock Your card.

[ img ]http://www.guru3d.com/imageview.php?image=25573[ /img ]

Another tool I like and have been using recently is NVIDIA Inspector
4617) Message boards : Number crunching : How about raising the limits .... (Message 1165593)
Posted 26 Oct 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Looks like the limits have been raised to 200 CPU/400 GPU.

Nope...
Still 50/CPU core and 400/GPU core.

EDIT...
As I don't have any rigs running with HT on, I am not sure if the 50/CPU core is actually per logical CPU and ends up doubled with HT on.

It is using total usable processors. A 4 core machine with HT, 8 usable processors, gets 400 tasks. A 4 core machine without HT, 4 usable processors, gets 200 tasks. A dual 6 core Xeon server with HT gets 1200 tasks!
4618) Message boards : News : Network routing problems have been fixed (Message 1165441)
Posted 26 Oct 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Did they ever figure out why there was suddenly not enough ram in the router? Possibly the release of IPv6 on the internet as the issues started about the same time IIRC.
4619) Message boards : Technical News : Labyrinth of Light (Oct 06 2011) (Message 1165439)
Posted 26 Oct 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thank you Matt !

Just wondering, have you considered moving storage intensive tasks to PCI based flash storage ? We have had great success using them for datawarehousing.

Flash has a rather limited number of write cycles. There are some places in the architecture that may burn through the entire write cycle lifetime of a flash device in under a year. Other places have many fewer writes and may be more suitable.

At the rate the data goes though here I would give a SSD array a few months.
4620) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (59) Server problems? (Message 1165437)
Posted 26 Oct 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Perhaps data what wasn't able to be pulled off before is getting a run though.
4621) Message boards : Number crunching : problems keeping system crunching on all 4 cpu's (Message 1165298)
Posted 25 Oct 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have sufficient tasks waiting to run. somewhere around 25 or so, a full page and more. task manager says 1 cpu running and it swaps about every 2 min between cpu's.

If the tasks are in the "Waiting to Run" state then BOINC isn't running them because it thinks it needs to do something else instead, is running something else, or is being wonky. If it does this on a regular basis once a week and then runs correctly after restarting BOINC I would expect it is being wonky.
4622) Message boards : Number crunching : a question about gpu crunching (Message 1165291)
Posted 25 Oct 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

I'm not in a mood to reboot in Vista now (~3 months I used only XP on this (multi-boot) computer)
but IIRC can't you hit Alt in any folder window (which opens the bar with classic menu)
and find somewhere (Tools? View?) the 'Folder Options' ?


If you don't like pressing ALT all of the time to get to the menus. Then you can change that once you are in Tools > Folder Options by checking 'Always show menus' which id the 2nd option.

I took a screen shot of the options I use. Which some may find helpful.
4623) Message boards : Number crunching : Gripes and Kudos (Message 1165282)
Posted 25 Oct 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Boinccmd.exe will give you the count of tasks on your machine form a command prompt. Then you will be able to determine the number of ghost tasks you have.

From a command prompt enter. boinccmd --get_tasks

You will see information for each task fly by the screen but you are only interested in the last item. On the machine I am on right now it shows.
153) -----------
   name: 20se11aa.12293.9883.3.10.240_1
   WU name: 20se11aa.12293.9883.3.10.240
   project URL: http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/
   report deadline: Sat Dec 10 04:04:38 2011
   ready to report: no
   got server ack: no
   final CPU time: 0.000000
   state: 2
   scheduler state: 0
   exit_status: 0
   signal: 0
   suspended via GUI: no
   active_task_state: 0
   app version num: 0
   checkpoint CPU time: 0.000000
   current CPU time: 0.000000
   fraction done: 0.000000
   swap size: 0.000000
   working set size: 0.000000
   estimated CPU time remaining: 13830.916613
   supports graphics: no


Where 153 is the total count of tasks on this machine. Which oddly enough matches the server right now. So no ghosties for me on this machine.

If you are using a windows machine you could enter this command to save the output to a text file.
boinccmd --get_tasks > %USERPROFILE%\desktop\tasks.txt
Where it will be placed on the current users desktop.
4624) Message boards : Number crunching : Finally?!? (Message 1165133)
Posted 24 Oct 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
It's been a while:

10/20/2011 10:31:31 PM Processor features: fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush mmx fxsr sse sse2 pni cx16 syscall nx lm svm rdtscp 3dnowext 3dnow

I do not see SSE3 listed. So, for AstroPulse_v508 (CPU), I user what is automatically selected, SSE (or higher)?

'PNI', for "Prescott New Instructions", is an alternative name for SSE3.

Hmmm. OK, then. That makes the options:

SSE3 (x64, generic)
SSE3_AMD (x86, fatser on sse3 AMD)
SSE3x (Intel only)
or SSE4.1 (Intel only)

I know it's an AMD CPU, so one of the first two options?

I use the SSE3_AMD x86 app on my Athlon 64 X2 box even tho I'm running a x64 OS. In my configuration it was the best option. YMMV
4625) Message boards : Number crunching : Gripes and Kudos (Message 1165075)
Posted 24 Oct 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Kudos: on raising the limits!

Hasn't happened yet.

There was a(turns out slight) limit increase for me on about the 19th.
I was capped around 1400 tasks, now capped around 1500 tasks on Badger(faster machine)

Are you sure that's not 1,400 real tasks (known to your client), plus 100 ghosts, making 1,500 tasks known to the server? As I verfied by observation 10 days ago,

... ghosts don't count towards the 'tasks in progress' quota limit.

That was tripping me up a while ago as well. I thought the limit on one of my machines was 302. I just had 102 ghost tasks.
4626) Message boards : Number crunching : Stock AP app having an issue with a batch of work? (Message 1165039)
Posted 24 Oct 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
"process got signal ..." is a characteristic error code for Linux machines only.

If you look that the right-hand column of your screen-grab, four of the computing errors were with application v5.06 - the stock Linux app (the v5.05 error - on Windows Vista - was "too many exit(0)s", probably unrelated).

I suppose the two questions are:

1) Why is stock app v5.06 still in use, when it has been so problematic for so long? (I seem to remember Urs Echternacht and others having trouble with it in early AP beta testing)
2) Why did this WU end up being allocated to so many Linux hosts?


At first I saw Linux box, Linux box, Linux box... and started to think "Linux machines are broken". Then I saw the windows machine and thought "ah OK it is more than just Linux".

The windows box looks like it just broken as all of the tasks, MB & AP, are spitting out "too many exit(0)s". It was probably just a fluke that it happen to be in there.

I have often thought that some kind of platform mechanism should be used on the back end. So if a tasks gets errors on a specific platform stop sending it to that one. That might be in place to some extent or it could be a total mess to do.

Just the little things like this that point out the holes in the current system that could be worked on. Where this potentially valid data is probably going to the bit bucket.
4627) Message boards : Number crunching : Stock AP app having an issue with a batch of work? (Message 1165017)
Posted 24 Oct 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I noticed an invalid task pop up today, 837596801. Which is not unexpected from time to time, but when I looked at the task I thought it looked funny.
Task		Computer	Sent				Time reported or deadline	Status				Run time (sec)	CPU time (sec)	Credit	Application
2113573897	4725574		14 Oct 2011 | 10:42:54 UTC	14 Oct 2011 | 15:45:45 UTC	Error while computing		0.00		0.00		---	Astropulse v505 v5.06
2113573898	6191261		14 Oct 2011 | 10:42:55 UTC	14 Oct 2011 | 10:48:11 UTC	Error while computing		1.07		0.00		---	Astropulse v505 v5.06
2114177255	6186874		14 Oct 2011 | 21:22:36 UTC	14 Oct 2011 | 21:27:47 UTC	Error while downloading		0.00		0.00		---	Astropulse v505 v5.05
2114467297	6067658		15 Oct 2011 | 2:41:46 UTC	15 Oct 2011 | 2:46:52 UTC	Error while computing		0.00		0.00		---	Astropulse v505 v5.06
2114779667	6185696		15 Oct 2011 | 9:02:55 UTC	15 Oct 2011 | 9:09:03 UTC	Error while computing		0.00		0.00		---	Astropulse v505 v5.05
2115128329	5012752		15 Oct 2011 | 14:00:37 UTC	24 Oct 2011 | 5:57:12 UTC	Completed, can't validate	63,245.10	63,240.96	0.00	Astropulse v505 Anonymous platform (CPU)
2115428038	6180271		15 Oct 2011 | 20:23:45 UTC	16 Oct 2011 | 14:55:09 UTC	Error while computing		1.03		0.00		---	Astropulse v505 v5.06


All of the stock app machines had an error with the task. So I looked at the 5 'Error while computing' tasks and found them all to have:

<core_client_version>6.10.17</core_client_version>
<![CDATA[
<message>
process got signal 11
</message>
<stderr_txt>
In ap_gfx_main.cpp: in ap_graphics_init(): Starting client.
</stderr_txt>
]]>


So I looked at the tasks for each of the machines at it seems that all of the AP tasks on those machines are ending with 'Error while computing'.

I then looked through my valid tasks and have found several where there is a 3rd result with the 'Error while computing' status. Some of them were "process got signal 8" instead of 11. Admittedly I don't have a clue what all the various application exit codes mean. These might be as relevant as the -9 overflow message, but I thought it seemed odd.

Perhaps this is just an example of the lunatics code handling things better than the stock app? Maybe there is just some wonky data out there? Who knows.
4628) Message boards : Number crunching : Can't keep 1 day of work cache (Message 1164856)
Posted 24 Oct 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thanks for the info.
So the higher the RAC, the more frequent the internet communication required to feed the beast.
Once AP WUs are more abundant I will limit the machine to them.
Thanks again.

No RAC, Recent Average Credit, is just a number showing you how much work you have completed recently. It currently has noting to do with anything other than just being an informative display.

There are options in the client software to restrict when it is allowed to connect to the internet. If you only want to let BOINC connect to projects on Friday from 12:00-15:15 it will be happy to comply.

Once the limits have been removed on the server side you will probably be able to get enough work for a 7-10 cache. Then connecting once a week probably will not be an issue for you. Unless the one day a week you happen to choose is when there are problems with the connection or servers.
4629) Message boards : Number crunching : Why does a dcf swing[solved] (Message 1164558)
Posted 22 Oct 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Just imagine what will happen when we start having 3 or 4 GPU cards.

That might require the use of the as of yet unseen PCIe x32 slot.

Isn't that the Phantom slot? ;)

Well I did find a company that makes the connector. They state it is to support riser cards.
4630) Message boards : Number crunching : How about raising the limits .... (Message 1164551)
Posted 22 Oct 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
How 'bout raising the limits so all good kitties can get more kibble in their bowls?

Is this a 1%er speaking for The Benefit of The 99%, or is this a 1%er asking to be More of a FAT Cat?

Dull aka The RACmaster.

It's a 1%er seeking to remain a 1%er.
And wanting caches to again be based on a computer's performance rather than an arbitrary limit.
I know part of the reason for not lifting limits totally right now is we still have to work through another tier or two of Boinc server code revisions to back out and correct the problem of incorrect estimated completions.

But the kitties luv their kibble.

According to the stats you are more of a 0.001%er. :)

With luck everything will be all worked out before long, just in time for something else to occur. Like running out of data again or such.
4631) Message boards : Number crunching : Why does a dcf swing[solved] (Message 1164549)
Posted 22 Oct 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Just imagine what will happen when we start having 3 or 4 GPU cards.

That might require the use of the as of yet unseen PCIe x32 slot.
4632) Message boards : Number crunching : IP-addresses ? (Message 1164541)
Posted 22 Oct 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Probably something like "allow 208.68.240.*:80 all" would be the best issue?

I use *.berkeley.edu/* in my ISA filter list to let everything though.
4633) Message boards : Number crunching : Why does a dcf swing[solved] (Message 1164432)
Posted 22 Oct 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:


When reading about your pending 12 GPU/24GB+ machine...mine might as well be that old, yes.

Hope you get it all running some day!

We want pictures! and Stats!

Crunch On!!

Lt


When I do, you all will fear the Six Shooter. ;)

Hopefully by the time you get it all together the limit of 8 GPUs in BOINC will be modified to allow more, unless they are already working on that.

I didn't know there was a limit of 8 gpus, Hopefully soon It can be raised, Oh Ageless where are You? Well I'm at 6 gpus now, I guess no one thought this would ever be approached as I have done...

Apparently the limit is in the scheduler from a response Joe mentioned when I was talking about using a 20 slot passive backplane with 18 295s last year. So maybe the client will run 12 GPUs, but the scheduler will only give you work for 8 I guess.
4634) Message boards : Number crunching : Converting system from 32bit to 64bit (Message 1164423)
Posted 22 Oct 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
You can install the 64 bit OS an another installation so you would be able to boot into either, but I don't think that is what you are looking to do.
4635) Message boards : Number crunching : Why does a dcf swing[solved] (Message 1164389)
Posted 21 Oct 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:


When reading about your pending 12 GPU/24GB+ machine...mine might as well be that old, yes.

Hope you get it all running some day!

We want pictures! and Stats!

Crunch On!!

Lt


When I do, you all will fear the Six Shooter. ;)

Hopefully by the time you get it all together the limit of 8 GPUs in BOINC will be modified to allow more, unless they are already working on that.
4636) Message boards : Number crunching : Despair, desperation, desolation. (Message 1164292)
Posted 21 Oct 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hmmm... not my fault. I am only crunching on 64 of them at a time. Though without any new ones to download my 6 machines that run AP have resorted to grabbing MB tasks.
4637) Message boards : Number crunching : Why does a dcf swing[solved] (Message 1164257)
Posted 21 Oct 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I saw in review, I think toms hardware, where they were testing different speed RAM to see if it was worth it. Like many things with RAM it depends on how you are using it if you will gain anything or not. The review found in most cases it isn't worth it.

Also I try to avoid populating all of my RAM banks unless it is necessary. I have seen results where people have tested things like 2 sticks of 2GB vs 4 sticks of 1GB with the same speed timings. The results were that fewer sticks resulted in less power usage and better throughput. IIRC when the went from 2 sticks of 2GB to 4 sticks of 2GB slower results were also observed. I think that was also at toms hardware, but that on was a long time ago when I was shopping for a C2D.
4638) Message boards : Number crunching : CLOSED* SETI/BOINC Milestones [ v2.0 ] - XXIII *CLOSED (Message 1164217)
Posted 21 Oct 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
31,000,000 for my and the team broke 150,000,000 (nearly 151,000,000 actually).

Seems like I just did 20,000,000...
4639) Message boards : Number crunching : Goodsearch for Seti........ (Message 1164215)
Posted 21 Oct 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Point is.....
Although the amounts may not be staggering, this is FREE money for Seti at no cost and very little bother for us to generate.
Even if the total raised was a mere $500.00 a year, that's still half a grand more than otherwise donated to the project.

And so far, I have found the results from their search engine more than satisfactory for what I happened to be looking for.


Maybe it is enough to let them do something crazy like buy some cables they were needing or such. Like you said free monies = always good.

Sometimes with the good search I have to change my search parameters 5 or 6 times to get it to do what I want. So that means it can help earn more by not being very forthcoming with the results I want.
4640) Message boards : Number crunching : Why does a dcf swing[solved] (Message 1164115)
Posted 21 Oct 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thanks Hal9000, It seems the EVGA P55 Classified 200 motherboard supports the Xeon cpus from the L3426 to the X3480 and the cpu supports ECC memory too, which is the type of ram that I saw online and It's not cheap at about $316(US) for 24GB of ram. I just had a thought, the motherboard says 16GB max and the Xeon cpu will do 32GB, problem is I do not see that the P55 Classified 200 motherboard supports ECC or registered ram, from what I see, It doesn't, so the Xeon cpu is not going to do squat more than an i7 860 will. The ram in question is Crucial CT3KIT102472BB1339 ram and It's not listed at all for any EVGA P55 motherboard, Xeon or not.


It might be worth shooting an e-mail to EVGA support and asking them if the 16GB limit applies when using a Xeon chips in the board. It shouldn't as the memory controller is inside the CPU. So as long as the CPU is designed to work on the board it should be a matter of what the CPU supports not what the board manufacture wrote down.

ECC memory does sometimes cost a lot more than standard unbuffered non-ecc. However with things like the Xeon chips it is often required. Depending on the cost of parts it might not be cost effective to go that route.

I for one have never bought ram listed on the recommended or tested list of a MB manufacture. They don't have the time/money to test everything out there. Memory isn't really that tricky. If you need PC3-12800 memory and you grab XYZ brand PC3-12800 memory it will work. The thing the memory are selling us on these days is how much better than the standards/specs they make their parts to.
4641) Message boards : Number crunching : Gripes and Kudos (Message 1164107)
Posted 21 Oct 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
[Kudos] To the guys for getting the router upgraded & for kicking ap_validate3 so it is working again.
[Gripes] I have been posting over 100k credits the past several days. It is creeping me out.
4642) Message boards : Number crunching : Why does a dcf swing[solved] (Message 1164100)
Posted 21 Oct 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Even though I have XP64, I'm not really too interested in going back to It, right now <flops> in My app info file and 8GB of ram will just have to do, of course now I'm throwing some -177 errors(Maximum time exceeded), sigh, can't win for losing.


Fred's rescheduler can take care of -177 (expert tab).

Yeah I suppose It can, Fred's good @ programming, but I only discover them after the fact and I think I'm about out of -177 errors, so I'll pass. I only wish I could use 3-8GB DDR3 dimms on P55, doubt they'd work and for 24GB of ram I'd need an X58 4-way Classified for a 12 gpu setup, wish I'd known about this shared memory thing months ago, as I don't think even 16GB is enough for 6 GTX295 cards. sigh.


With these newer chips the memory controller is in the CPU. So it isn't really the MB that limits your ram it is the CPU. The LGA1156 Xeons support up to 32GB, if your board can accept the CPU then you could be able to have more memory. I haven't really checked for the LGA1156 and LGA1155 boards, but the LGA775 boards often were spec'd to allow the Xeon chips as well.

Looking at the LGA1155 chips it seems they all have a max of 32GB, even the xeons. So maybe you want to look into the LGA2011 stuff with quad channel memory when it comes out. Maybe they will start the low end chips with a limit of something like 64GB.
4643) Message boards : Number crunching : Teams (Message 1164094)
Posted 21 Oct 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Choose a team because you are actually interested in what they are doing, not just because you got an invite.

I've gotten some invites from some rather strange teams in the past.

Most just want to add your credits to their totals.

You mean the team "We are the Borg. Your credits will be assimilated" doesn't respect me for my mind after all?

Teams are just for fun, but if you are in a group you can band together to have imaginary contests against others.

Also some of the groups sponsor fundraisers and other sorts of things. So there is that aspect as well.
4644) Message boards : Number crunching : No cuda work? (Message 1164004)
Posted 20 Oct 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Is BOINC using the GPU for one of your other projects?
4645) Message boards : Number crunching : Boinc and GPU throttling (Message 1164002)
Posted 20 Oct 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hello, Im not sure if i should be posting here and im sorry if this is the wrong area but i love processing information as im sure alot of you do but i also play games on 1 of my computers and just like the cpu can be throttled by selecting how much percentage before it stops processing. I'm wondering if it can be implemented to GPU's so i dont have to keep manualy stoping it before playing a game or if their is an ability and I just dont know about it.

Thanks :)

If you make a cc_config.xml file you can set the very option you want with the <exclusive_gpu_app>important.exe</exclusive_gpu_app> flag.
<cc_config>
	<log_flags>
	</log_flags>
	<options>
		<exclusive_gpu_app>important.exe</exclusive_gpu_app>
	</options>
</cc_config>


EDIT: Something to note is that BOINC only checks to see if one of the exclusive apps is running every few seconds. Something like 30 or 60. So while your game is loading the GPU might still be active for a bit.
4646) Message boards : Number crunching : Lunatics MB opt apps limited to counting 16 CPUs? (Message 1163995)
Posted 20 Oct 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

HW Monitor shows Core #0 and Core #2 for my i3 380M, not 0 and 1 strangely enough, and no more cores since it's a 2 core CPU with HT. Maybe you're right that it has disabled features....

It isn't like they have a history of producing chips. Then disabling things to fill a lower end market or anything.
4647) Message boards : Number crunching : Lunatics MB opt apps limited to counting 16 CPUs? (Message 1163975)
Posted 20 Oct 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I guess the app is a bit old, and doesn't recognize CPU's as it should. My I3 380M, certainly does not have 8 cores at 3222MHz. It also has more CPU features than what the app shows.

Stderr output
 <core_client_version>6.10.58</core_client_version>
<![CDATA[
<stderr_txt>
Windows optimized S@H Enhanced application by Alex Kan
Version info: SSSE3x (Intel, Core 2-optimized v8-nographics) V5.13 by Alex Kan
SSSE3x Win64 Build 76 , Ported by : Jason G, Raistmer, JDWhale

     CPUID: Intel(R) Core(TM) i3 CPU       M 380  @ 2.53GHz 
     Speed: 8 x 3222 MHz 
     Cache: L1=64K L2=256K
  Features: MMX SSE SSE2 SSE3 SSSE3


Maybe it really does! When I look at my i3 with Hardware Monitor It shows the temps for every other core. So it is like they are there but not active. :/

I had a thought the 3222 might be the max turbo frequency of the chips with turbo, but the i5-540M, which also runs at 2.53GHz, tops out at 3066 MHz. The 2.66GHz chips list 3.2GHz, which might really be 3222 MHz. So maybe it is a top turbo listing speed for these class of CPUs? Many years ago some benchmarking software I has when list the CPU and list the frequency range those chips ran within. Something like Pentium III 1.4GHz (400MHz-1400MHz).

If you are running the SSSE3x app I don't see why it would list any features beyond that even if present. On the plus side it doesn't list PNI, for SSE3, like BOINC does.

EDIT: Maybe if they update that library they can get one that lists L3 cache too!
4648) Message boards : Number crunching : Goodsearch for Seti........ (Message 1163971)
Posted 20 Oct 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The details for the total shows that they seem to have set this up in Nov. 2008.

Total: Year-to-Date $231.85
Total: Since Inception $304.16

Total: Last 2 months $180.35

So there has been a big upswing recently. Which can only be a good thing.
4649) Message boards : Number crunching : Lunatics MB opt apps limited to counting 16 CPUs? (Message 1163970)
Posted 20 Oct 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
When I first saw it this morning it was very early for me. So I figured I was just seeing things and I would look again later. However later it didn't change. Although I did check to make sure there were 24 threads running on the machine for S@H apps.

I have noticed for a while my older P4 and Athlon 64 X2 machine only counted 1. I had thought that physical CPUs were being counted at that point, or maybe how many threads the app was using were being listed. Then when I looked at my Core based machines I saw the core counts.

Since noticing this I did some more looking and I see that older P4 based machines are always counted as one. Even for 2 socket HT boxes. Looking over other machines in the top computers it looks like AMD machines always give a count of 1 and the highest count is just 16.

With this just being extra helpful debug info I know it is low on the list. I just thought I would report my findings in the event no one else had.
4650) Message boards : Number crunching : Lunatics MB opt apps limited to counting 16 CPUs? (Message 1163947)
Posted 20 Oct 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I was looking over the MB results on my 24 core box & noticed something a bit funny in the stderr information. In that it displayed 16 x 2390 MHz where I would have expected to see 24 x 2390 MHz. As shown in this sample.

<stderr_txt>
Windows optimized S@H Enhanced application by Alex Kan
Version info: SSSE3x (Intel, Core 2-optimized v8-nographics) V5.13 by Alex Kan
SSSE3x Win64 Build 76 , Ported by : Jason G, Raistmer, JDWhale

     CPUID: Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU           E5645  @ 2.40GHz 
     Speed: 16 x 2390 MHz 
     Cache: L1=64K L2=256K
  Features: MMX SSE SSE2 SSE3 SSSE3 
 
Work Unit Info:
...............
Credit multiplier is :  2.85
WU true angle range is :  0.815811

Flopcounter: 19124201267179.797000

Spike count:    2
Pulse count:    0
Triplet count:  0
Gaussian count: 0
called boinc_finish

</stderr_txt>


I don't expect there is anything wrong. It is probably just an aesthetic issue, but figured I would mention it. I would have reported it on the lunatics site, but I don't seem to have an account there again.

4651) Message boards : Number crunching : How about raising the limits .... (Message 1163942)
Posted 20 Oct 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Kitties want more kibble!!

Meoooooooowrrrrrr.

With a rebel yell they cried "MEOW! MEOW! MEOW!" ?

Most of my machines, even my 24 core beast, are now at their limit with the router beefed up.
4652) Message boards : Number crunching : Goodsearch for Seti........ (Message 1163938)
Posted 20 Oct 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
We have now raised $300.00 for Seti with Goodsearch...
Please continue if you are already using it, or consider doing your searches there if you are not already.

Easy money for our favorite project!!

Meow!


Well, I raised $ 2.28 by two of my computers under win7 and I don't know how much by other computers under winXP. But frankly, I don't think then $300 is a considerable sum for our favorite project S@H...

Not by itself, of course.

But, when raised at no cost to us by simply using a search engine, it is $300.00 worth of free money for the project!

I just ordered a bunch of stuff from amazon and forgot to do it on the machine where I have my goodsearch account logged in so they would donate a %. :(
On the plus side I've racked up $2.00 in just searches so far!
4653) Message boards : Number crunching : HE connection problems thread (Message 1163936)
Posted 20 Oct 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
As others have started things seem to have returned to normal for my connects at work. Pings & hops look "normal" with varying amount of loss between 10-33%. Which might just be from the servers getting saturated.
4654) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (59) Server problems? (Message 1163819)
Posted 20 Oct 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Maybe they are just restarting the scheduler with higher limits? One could only hope...

That wouldn't kill all active down/uploads though.

Maybe they are upgrading the ram in the router?

Edit: Or maybe the RAID pooped out again. Which would still be the kitty mans fault somehow. :D

Looks liek it was an upgrade to the PAIX router after all! As Jeff mentioned in another thread.
4655) Message boards : Number crunching : Haven't gotten credit in 8 days. (Message 1163818)
Posted 20 Oct 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hello,

Just a quick question. I've been crunching SETI for a few months now on my laptop, but recently it's stopped giving me credit. I've been running and returning data packets, but haven't gotten anything back. I also crunch for Milky Way and Rosetta, and they have been working just fine. Anyone know what could be up?

According to FreeDC your computer has been granted credit on a fairly regular basis.

If you are running more than 1 project BOINC may shift all of the resources to just 1 of them if it build up a lot of debt.
4656) Message boards : Number crunching : How about raising the limits .... (Message 1163786)
Posted 19 Oct 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

Well, I have recently started believing that there is a chance, the d..d..d.. thing, might actually be closely related to the Kraken :-)

'Son of Kraken'....movie in production for release in fall of 2012.


Excuse me, guys, I am Russian and I don't understand clearly, who Kraken is? I guess it's a creature in the sea, who often chews the fiber cables of Hurricane Electrics for I couldn't connect to S@H to get new WUs, is it right? ;-)


Kraken was a mythical sea creature, said to disguise itself as an Island and sink boats.

I am not sure how good their translations are, but the these looks simular Kraken and Кра́кен.

I think that might be a good machine name for a super cruncher as well.
4657) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (59) Server problems? (Message 1163744)
Posted 19 Oct 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Maybe they are just restarting the scheduler with higher limits? One could only hope...

That wouldn't kill all active down/uploads though.

Maybe they are upgrading the ram in the router?

Edit: Or maybe the RAID pooped out again. Which would still be the kitty mans fault somehow. :D
4658) Message boards : Number crunching : problem with a W.U (Message 1163738)
Posted 19 Oct 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have two AP WUs in the same situation. I had earlier posted the message below about it in the panic mode on (59) thread yesterday just after the AP validator started working again.

Interestingly, looking down the list of APs still pending, all but two are waiting for wingmen to complete. The two that are not are both cases where two people had already been allocate credit and my result came in third (but before my deadline)

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/workunit.php?wuid=794483682
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/workunit.php?wuid=794481401

looks like they may have found a way of validating the simple cases, but have left more complicated issues like this.


I do wonder if these less than straight forward cases are currently being ignored to prevent them cuasing problems.

Maybe these are the troublesome tasks that keep causing the validator to hang up.
4659) Message boards : Number crunching : problem with a W.U (Message 1163732)
Posted 19 Oct 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have one wu in my account that has been granted credit yet it has not disappeared, a third one was sent out and return by then the second one had answered and was granted credit. This one has not be granted credit so I am stuck with it in my account the wu is 805736634 the last one in my astropulse wus, any ideas why please

I'm not sure if the task in question is waiting for purging, or if there is some convoluted process that it has to go though with the 3rd client pending like that. Then again it could just be one of those tasks that gets skipped over for purging and stays in limbo forever.

If it is in limbo there isn't really anything you can do about it.
4660) Message boards : Number crunching : Project 'test2' at Berkeley? [ RESOLVED ] (Message 1163675)
Posted 19 Oct 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The "isaac" in the URL seems familiar for some reason. I seem to remember seeing it before in relation to Berkeley. I just cannot remember...

Isaac is the server that runs the whole BOINC domain: The BOINC web site, the forums, the one download page, the other download page, the Wikis, Trac, the Alpha site, the Mailman list, all run from Isaac. Isaac lives in the Seti server cabinet, on its own internet connection. You can see it here (5th picture).

It looks like isaac is a Dell Poweredge 2850. I just acquired a few of those myself. Older boxes but still good.

I would guess the test2 might be for the ntpckr stuff & the e-mail was just an automated component they forgot about.
4661) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (59) Server problems? (Message 1163663)
Posted 19 Oct 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Wonder when they will turn on the Ghost resend? It was turned off Oct 6 per Matt's post in Tech News. I've had 70 from some timeouts on Oct 5, + 4 more from recent ???. Twenty of my Oct. 5 ghosts just timed out a few minutes ago.

They wanted ghosts for Halloween? :D
4662) Message boards : Number crunching : How about raising the limits .... (Message 1163560)
Posted 18 Oct 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I think you might just have a ghost Steve. I'm still limited to 50/400...

I think so as well. My HTPC is still limited to 302 tasks. :(

Edit: Double checking I only have 200 tasks on the box. So I do seem to have 102 ghosts that are not getting resent. At least it is 50 tasks per CPU core instead of 50 CPU tasks total now.
4663) Message boards : Number crunching : Laptop, Samsung RV511-S06SE (i3 380M) + Nvidia 315M (Message 1163536)
Posted 18 Oct 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
My i3-390M notebook was good for about 3500RAC running 18 hours a day with just the CPU. I haven't had a chance to get the GPU going due to no driver with OpenCL support yet. :(
4664) Message boards : Number crunching : Work request with full cache (Message 1163534)
Posted 18 Oct 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The total BOINCview doesn't seem to show the correct cache amount when the machine has a GPU. On my system with a 8500 GT it tells me I have something like 90 days of work. When it is only 3-4 days.
I think it is just using the CPU benchmark time, total number of tasks, & total number of processors to give the estimate.
4665) Message boards : Number crunching : AP Processing by SETI Screwed Up? (Message 1163437)
Posted 18 Oct 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
YAY AP validators are running regular again. Now we can go about complains about something else.... again. :D
4666) Message boards : Number crunching : How about raising the limits .... (Message 1163436)
Posted 18 Oct 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The kitties would like a bit more kibble in the bowls too!


No chance!

I installed a new video card yesterday afternoon.

I brought 7 more machines online yesterday as well. Mostly all dual socket Xeons. :/
4667) Message boards : Number crunching : Machine change somewhat , will WU's be ok ? (Message 1163302)
Posted 17 Oct 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Changing the number of CPUs (2 to 4) will affect the amount of WU download after the change? The amount of WUs and deadline it will be the same?

Yes changing # of CPUs will effect number of tasks the machine will download from that point forwards. Actually BOINC will adjust how much it gets based on the performance of the machine on a regular basis.
The deadline is set when you download the tasks. So it will remain unchanged.

If you upgrade a machine or move all of the work to a faster one it is no problem at all. BOINC will adjust what goes on without any user intervention. Normally it does this on the slower/cautious side. If you normally have 10-15 tasks in your cache and then move form 2 to 4 CPUs it isn't necessarily going to double the tasks in the queue.
4668) Message boards : Number crunching : How to remove a computer from seti / boinc (Message 1163179)
Posted 17 Oct 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
There must have been some divine intervention...

I managed to get the harddrive temporarily hooked up to another computer , and finally managed to get all the different drivers and stuff installed , am trying to get the wu's done now... I only have 2 more days to finish before my copy of xp runs out , since i moved it to a different computer... sigh !

If you are going to keep that installation on that machine you can do a reactivation on it probably, but to reset the activation time to 30 days you can use the rundll32.exe syssetup,SetupOobeBnk command. So you have time to figure out what you will do.
4669) Message boards : Number crunching : Machine change somewhat , will WU's be ok ? (Message 1163173)
Posted 17 Oct 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
When moving work from one machine to another:
1) Any work that has not been processed will run fine.
2) If you are running the same applications the tasks that are in process will run fine.
3) Older applications run fine on newer hardware. If you want to change to a different application I suggest suspending any unprocessed tasks & finishing ones that are partially done. Then change the applications & unsuspend the tasks.

I have had a few invalid for partly processed tasks. Only when I moved work from one machine to another & changed the application. Like SSE2 x86 to SSSE3 x64.
4670) Message boards : Number crunching : Mac Book Pro Problem (Message 1163057)
Posted 16 Oct 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
MACs just like Windows machine get things built up over time that effect the system. You might think about making a base image of the system with some software like SuperDuper!. Then if your system start acting funky you can save the current system and reload the base image to see if it helps.

You would want to have a 2nd partition or another drive to save the images to tho. At work I make images of each OS to a secondary storage partition. So we can quickly go from say 10.6.8 to 10.4.4 and such.
4671) Message boards : Number crunching : What is using the CPU? (Message 1163054)
Posted 16 Oct 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
You can probably disable the controller in the bios as well if you are not using it. I tend to disable anything i don't use like those ancient COM, LPT, & froppy ports.
4672) Message boards : Number crunching : app_info tuning (Message 1162683)
Posted 15 Oct 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I'll try setting unroll to 10 on my next test. What does unroll mean? I can't find an explanation of it anywhere.

Doug

You might want to have a read in the Let's talk about ATI AP -unroll, -ffa_block, and -ffa_block_fetch thread. It explains what the values mean & has the data from several test attempts from various people.
4673) Message boards : Number crunching : Fanless spinning heatsink? (Message 1162640)
Posted 15 Oct 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
That is an interesting idea. They have been using in motors for years to help cool them. Using it in an fixed application like CPU's could be worthwhile if they can lower the power consumption. There current design used about 3 times the amount of power vs the max power consumption of my CPU fans. I think that might be a hard one to overcome. As they are rotating more mass than a plastic fan blade.

I would defiantly want a filter on the input of that thing. where they elaborated on the lack of dust build up they clarified that it would more be flung out. In a computer it would go everywhere. :/
4674) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (59) Server problems? (Message 1162335)
Posted 14 Oct 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I've been bouncing of the WU limits for days frustrating, but not fatal (yet)

If you are hitting the limit that means you are getting work to do. I am jsut glad they bumped the limit up cover 50. My 24 core box was only able to have a cache of about 2 hours with 50 active tasks at a time.
4675) Message boards : Number crunching : HELP upgrade in old PC. (Message 1162329)
Posted 14 Oct 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The ATI HD3850 can run the AP hybrid application, but it does use mostly CPU. So if buying a new card a PCI NVIDIA solution would be a better bet.

The highest rated AGP card that you can get is an ATI HD3850.


I do not know if they are still available but i have two AGP HD4650 (320 stream proc`s) from ebay.
and there was at one time some AGP HD 4670 around, same 320 SP`s but higher clocks.

From my experience you will not be able to crunch SETI on the ATI AGP cards,
Go for the nvidia cards. Unless things have changed recently and i did not notice it,
The CPU`s on AGP boards do not have the needed SSE2 or SSE3 instruction sets needed to run the ATI open CL GPU seti applications.
It is a show stopper :¬(


I know that the CPU part is wrong, as i have a core 2 duo on a board with AGP.

What mutant MB do you have that is S775 & AGP? That must be almost as rare at the S478 & PCIe boards.

Apparently the P4 530 has SSE3 did come in a S478 package. I have been trying to source one for my older system to see if I could give the OpenCL app a whirl on my HD3850. Ideally I would want to find a SL8JZ, SL79L, or SL7E4.
4676) Message boards : Number crunching : PS temperature (Message 1162254)
Posted 14 Oct 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I think a basic investment for anybody upgrading computers and wondering whether their PSU is up to the task should be a Killawatt power meter (or perhaps a similar unit for those outside of the US on other than 120v).

It will show you how much your PSU is drawing from the mains. If you are getting anywhere near the maximum rating of your PSU, you really should get a larger PSU.

My top rig, the Frozen 920, is heavily OCd, and supports 2 GTX295s...also OCd.
When crunching 4 VHAR MB WUs on the 295s along with whatever the 3 cores I have doing CPU work are crunching, the power draw is regularly up around 870 watts. I have seen it hit 920 watts for short durations.
My PSU on that rig is a 910w PC Power and Cooling Silencer. If it were a less robust PSU, I would be faced with upgrading that rig. So far, it has proven to be stable, but a generic or cheap PSU with the same rating may well have failed by now.

Bottom line is...
The PSU is the last place to scrimp....bigger is better, safer, and more stable.

Looking over the reviews that does look like a stout PSU. Since you are only running 870-920w input I wouldn't be concerned at all. You would be seeing around 1034w input if you had it fully loaded. Looks like you are in the 85-88% load range.

Now that is a curious statement....
A thing I never thought about. I always considered the input power to my PSUs, as measured by my Killawatts, as the metric by which I gauged full load.
I wonder if PSU manufacturers rate by input power or by actual output power....
Input less conversion efficiency. Actual output to the computer I have no way of measuring. So I always figured input was how I measured it.

Power supplies are given ratings for their output. Then with the efficiency you can guesstimate their input power. Same for pretty much any power supply. Like those little wall wort transformers. You could have several that indicate that can show [12v @ 2.5a 30w] on their label, bu all have different input power requirements.

Where your PSU at full load could be drawing around 1000w at 88% efficiency one that was only 70% efficient would draw closer to 1300w for the same output. Which is the reason for the push of the whole 80Plus standard I think. Some of the old supplies were really bad about efficiency.

With lower efficiency there is more loss which will present itself mostly as heat in your PSU. Who wants more heat inside their case anyway?
4677) Message boards : Number crunching : PCI (not express) CUDA card ? (Message 1162180)
Posted 14 Oct 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Interesting clive G1FYE's card seems to run normal ~0.42 AR tasks in the 3000-3500s time frame & Claggy's is running 4000-4500s for similar AR tasks.

I wonder if this comes down to how the boards/chipsets are designed, the version of drivers, or the platform.
4678) Message boards : Number crunching : PS temperature (Message 1162177)
Posted 14 Oct 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I think a basic investment for anybody upgrading computers and wondering whether their PSU is up to the task should be a Killawatt power meter (or perhaps a similar unit for those outside of the US on other than 120v).

It will show you how much your PSU is drawing from the mains. If you are getting anywhere near the maximum rating of your PSU, you really should get a larger PSU.

My top rig, the Frozen 920, is heavily OCd, and supports 2 GTX295s...also OCd.
When crunching 4 VHAR MB WUs on the 295s along with whatever the 3 cores I have doing CPU work are crunching, the power draw is regularly up around 870 watts. I have seen it hit 920 watts for short durations.
My PSU on that rig is a 910w PC Power and Cooling Silencer. If it were a less robust PSU, I would be faced with upgrading that rig. So far, it has proven to be stable, but a generic or cheap PSU with the same rating may well have failed by now.

Bottom line is...
The PSU is the last place to scrimp....bigger is better, safer, and more stable.

Looking over the reviews that does look like a stout PSU. Since you are only running 870-920w input I wouldn't be concerned at all. You would be seeing around 1034w input if you had it fully loaded. Looks like you are in the 85-88% load range.
4679) Message boards : Number crunching : work units (Message 1162108)
Posted 14 Oct 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I think they did some playing around with the limits last week. As I did start to get more tasks & currently my HTPC gets 302 MB CPU tasks and then hits the limit on tasks message.
4680) Message boards : Number crunching : Welcome to the 12 year club (Message 1161969)
Posted 13 Oct 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
anticlimactic

But that much closer to the free toaster!
4681) Message boards : Number crunching : Pet Peeve: date formats (Message 1161605)
Posted 12 Oct 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Yeah, pretty much every flash storage device I've ever seen came with FAT. Some of the larger ones that I have purchased, I've redone them with FAT32 and it still works fine. I even went NTFS on an 8gb one. Only down-side to putting NTFS on it is that you HAVE to tell windows to let go of it before removing.

FAT 12, 16, 32, & ex all have a date range of:
1980-01-01 to 2107-21-31
NTFS has a date range of:
1601-01-01 to 60056-05-28
4682) Message boards : Number crunching : Call for testers - low-end ATi HD4xxx, part 2 (Message 1161601)
Posted 12 Oct 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
In order to run 2 wu's at a time on this ati GPU , HD 4670, 128 bit ,In the app_info file , Just change the _count 1_ to _ count .5 _ in 3 places work ?
I just saw 3 places where that is shown in this app_info...

On my other machine , the Nvidia card one , it has 6 places to change the count.

It is a single core CPU on the ati machine...
Will it run 2 wu's at a time ?

Neither my 4870 or 5750 gain anything by running more than 1 MB at a time. However there are two values you need to change in your app_info.xml
-instances_per_device 1
<count>1</count>
To:
-instances_per_device 2
<count>0.5</count>

IIRC if you change just -instances_per_device you will run 2 instances, but trash all of the work, or maybe the other way around.

AP has the same or similar settings, but running more than 1 AP at a time could be of benefit.
4683) Message boards : Number crunching : Does it make sense to crunch Astropulse? (Message 1161511)
Posted 12 Oct 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The oldest pending AP task I have with a 2nd result waiting to go through the validation process is from the 8th. Being a few days behind doesn't seem to be to bad to me.
4684) Message boards : Number crunching : http://boinc.berkeley.edu/download.php (Message 1161510)
Posted 12 Oct 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Probably because http://boinc.berkeley.edu is down.
4685) Message boards : Number crunching : Does it make sense to crunch Astropulse? (Message 1161494)
Posted 12 Oct 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Apologies - but sometimes I don't understand the Seti gods!

What I would do after a scheduled downtime: Check at least if everything on the Status Page is green.

Why ap_validate3 is red now for at least 3 weeks is beyond my comprehension.

Because ap_validate1 and ap_validate2 are working so they don't want ap_validate3 to run?
Each ap_validate is identical and only one of them needs to run. They have more that one only to process results faster.

Joe had mentioned before:
ap_validate1 checks "astropulse" if any unexpectedly appear.
ap_validate2 checks "astropulse_v5" if any unexpectedly appear.
ap_validate3 checks "astropulse_v505".

So ap_validate3 is highly important to the current work going out.
4686) Message boards : Number crunching : Would like to use my ATI 5870 GPU (Message 1161492)
Posted 12 Oct 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Guys it is possible to choose 1 project for each processor? Where i can find the app_info.xml file that you refer?

That is possible, but to dedicate 1 CPU or core to a project you would have to run separate instance of BOINC. Making that resource unavailable to the other projects.

You are running stock application & will not have a app_info.xml file. It is used when using third party applications as mention earlier in this thread.
4687) Message boards : Number crunching : Bulldozer....Piece of Junk? (Message 1161488)
Posted 12 Oct 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Based on what I have seen from benchmarks. This products looks like what Intel did moving from the PIII to the P4. The idea(s) behind it are good, but in practice it seems to be an inferior product to the previous generation.

From what AMD is going with their video drivers and releasing this product I just think of the movie "The gods must be crazy". As it seems they don't have a clue as to what is going on around them.
4688) Message boards : Number crunching : Request help moving WUs to a different computer (Message 1161314)
Posted 12 Oct 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I would like to attach their clients to this BOINC manager and crunch the WUs assigned to me before they have to get re-assigned to someone else.

That's not possible (yet, see also Superhost Design and Topology in the BOINC trac wiki.)


I think the superhost concept is overkill for what most people would need. I have mentioned this before, all most people need is some kind of personal proxy similar to what distributed.net has (http://www.distributed.net/Download_proxies), as long as it is extended to handle multiple projects. The personal proxy would handle the work unit cache, and doles out the work units to multiple computers on your personal network. The clients on your computers would just need a small modification to talk to the personal proxy instead of directly to the project servers.


Sometimes I wish there was some kind of superhost, proxy, or whatever to use. With over 20 clients at work just having 1 knock at the door instead of 20+ seems like a good idea.

I had played around with clustering several of my boxes to make them into a single host. However BOINC didn't care for processors being hot added and removed. So that didn't pan out for me. Maybe BOINC 6.50.x will work with that. :)
4689) Message boards : Number crunching : Does it make sense to crunch Astropulse? (Message 1161310)
Posted 12 Oct 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I don't think that it isn't coming online. Maybe that it is running in spurts. Out of my AP tasks that have validated 3 of there were today.

11 Oct 2011 | 20:39:52 UTC
11 Oct 2011 | 9:27:34 UTC
11 Oct 2011 | 3:05:04 UTC

The most recent looks like it was after maintenance as well.

Most of my 96 pending are waiting on wing men. :/
4690) Message boards : Number crunching : Pet Peeve: date formats (Message 1161279)
Posted 11 Oct 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The ISO format, by definition, does not suffer the so called y2k bug, because you use 4 characters for the year.

And don't forget that in a few years time Unix time will wrap round....

I mentioned the Y10K bug ...

Maybe he was reading that in binary?

Maybe, I am not sure of anyone besides myself that refers to it as the Y10K bug. So that could be easily looked over at first glance, or read as binary.
4691) Message boards : Number crunching : Pet Peeve: date formats (Message 1161230)
Posted 11 Oct 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The ISO format, by definition, does not suffer the so called y2k bug, because you use 4 characters for the year.

And don't forget that in a few years time Unix time will wrap round....

I mentioned the Y10K bug in that the year 10000 does work in the current ISO format. Although they are talking of expanding it to 5 digits for YYYYY-MM-DD HH:MM:SS. I think it would be weird to see the date as 02011-10-11.
Unix time doesn't have a upper limit defined. However depending on how the value is stored on a computer the variable could be limited where it would wrap. Currently the unix time of 8640000000000 is the largest I can seem to use on my current system, but that is 275760-09-13 00:00:00. So I hope they can work out the problem by then.
4692) Message boards : Number crunching : Would like to use my ATI 5870 GPU (Message 1161040)
Posted 10 Oct 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thanks HAL9000.

There are three AP apps available:

Astropulse 5.05 Win32 rev 409 SSE
Win x32 AstroPulse v5.05 r460_SSE3_ATOM ICC_MKLS_ O3
Win x32 AstroPulse v5.05 r468_SSE3_ATOM IXE_MKLS_ O3

Given my machine specs in the original post, which is the best one for me to install?

Thanks in advance

Cheers,
Chris

^ That one. Which is included in the "Windows Installer v0.38". Besides just the CPU, the GPU can also process AP tasks. Which is in the installer as ap_5.06_(blah blah)_r521 for ATI HD4xxx+ cards.

Once you close BOINC, run the install, and restart BOINC that will be it. :D
4693) Message boards : Number crunching : Call for testers - low-end ATi HD4xxx, part 2 (Message 1161034)
Posted 10 Oct 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Have you tried running the ATI OpenCL Astropulse app on your HD4650, does the program build properly there?

Can you post the output of CLinfo? you can get a tweaked version of CLinfo from this post.

Claggy



I ran it ,clinfo , but it just flashed thru and dissapeared... does it save the results somewhere ?

I ran the ati app installer that was listed in this thread

Open a Command window first, then CD to the directory CLinfo is in, then copy and paste file name into CMD window, then hit Enter.

Claggy


It isn't in a dir , per say... saved and run from desktop
<snip>


So you just have CLInfo_no_OCL1_1.rar on your desktop? Then you are opening it and clicking the file? If so you will no be able to access it from the command line. You would need to extract it, or put it somewhere first.

Once you do that you could run it as CLInfo_no_OCL1_1.exe > CL_Info.txt to have the results save in a text file.
4694) Message boards : Number crunching : @ATi users - don't use Cat 11.10 preview 2 (Message 1161023)
Posted 10 Oct 2011 by Profile HAL9000
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I just tested it on Win7 x64 - MultiBeam starts to produce overflows inside Autocorr search. Better stay away from all those new AMD drivers until they be able to fix it.

Until they can figure out what they are doing I am not going past 11-2.
4695) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (58) Server problems? (Message 1161006)
Posted 10 Oct 2011 by Profile HAL9000
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Help I cannot seem to get any CUDA work, maybe a total of 20 in the past 2 weeks.

The past few weeks there have been major issues with the connection and servers. things seem to be starting to get back to normal. One of your computers has downloaded over 100 tasks to process on your CUDA device today.
4696) Message boards : Number crunching : Pet Peeve: date formats (Message 1161003)
Posted 10 Oct 2011 by Profile HAL9000
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We should probably start switching to a decimal time format like Unix Time, which is already wide used in computers, to avoid the Y10K issue with the ISO-8601 format.

A good thing about standards is that there are so many.

How standards are made.
4697) Message boards : Number crunching : What is using the CPU? (Message 1160996)
Posted 10 Oct 2011 by Profile HAL9000
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My oldest rig, C2D/Win2k, has gotten rather doggy lately.
Checked task manager, and it shows 99% system idle process, yet it also shows almost 50% CPU being used.
Boinc is all shut down, don't see anything else running.
Did a scan with free Avast, it found no virus.
Deleted and reloaded the 257.21 NV drivers successfully.

How can I find out what is consuming the CPU cycles?

What is showing 50% usage, the graph in task manager? That can be buggy and not update correctly. I prefer to hit the process tab and sort by descending CPU usage with "show processes from all users ticked to see what apps are doing. The graph is nice to look at and all, but can be wonky.
4698) Message boards : Number crunching : Would like to use my ATI 5870 GPU (Message 1160945)
Posted 10 Oct 2011 by Profile HAL9000
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If you want to install the optimized applications from Lunatics then you will be able to use it.

For windows the lunatics install is pretty easy. You just select boxes, or radial buttons maybe, for your hardware.
Your host with the i7 & ATI card the best selections would probably be SSSE3x & MB_6.10_win_SSE3_ATI_HD5_r177. Then for AP work there are more options if you run that.
4699) Message boards : Number crunching : After 12+ years, I'm congratulating myself on this milestone (Message 1160911)
Posted 10 Oct 2011 by Profile HAL9000
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If no one looks nothing will be found & welcome to the 12yr club.

You are that much closer to getting your free toaster*.

*Toaster & shipping not included.
4700) Message boards : Number crunching : Idea for Boinc..... (Message 1159900)
Posted 7 Oct 2011 by Profile HAL9000
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For over 12 yrs the data size has been the same and after we have processed them the results are stored on the science database, with up to 30 items of interest for each result.

If the data size were increased, do we still only look for a max of thirty items of interest and throw away any other items found,
OR do you have some magic way of storing these larger tasks (twice size, 60 items. etc.) that would be compatible with all the older data.

I have seen mention several times that they have considered processing MB work when AP tasks are downloaded. Since there are about 20 MB tasks in the same data that generates 1 AP task. I think it is just a matter of working out the logic on the back end for that.
4701) Message boards : Number crunching : i7 2600k @ 4.7 ghz = app speed 4.43 gflops (Message 1159895)
Posted 7 Oct 2011 by Profile HAL9000
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My 5 systems with i7-860s running 8 at a time run about 2.5 hours per task. I'm not sure how the performance scales, but < 2 hours sounds good to me.
4702) Message boards : Number crunching : What amount of cache (Message 1159891)
Posted 7 Oct 2011 by Profile HAL9000
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I give BOINC on every Machine 10GB. More then 1,2GB i never needed on any machine.

10GB? do you notice any difference in given that amout of disc?

On several of my systems I put BOINC on a separate partition. Either the swap partition of the system, or a BOINC only partition of about 2GB. Which is more than enough even for my 24 core machine with a 10 day cache. On my Core 2 Duo T7200 I use 200MB partition.
4703) Message boards : Number crunching : Error while downloading - due to "MD5 check failed" (Message 1159855)
Posted 7 Oct 2011 by Profile HAL9000
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I got a 404 when I tried to manually download the file. It might have gotten messed up with the recent RAID issues.

I wasn't sure if the AP tasks used something funny to generate the hash so I did try all of these locations. with the corresponding hash for each name.
http://boinc2.ssl.berkeley.edu/sah/download_fanout/270/ap_22jl11af_B4_P1_00012_20110928_13295.wu

The above url will be the right url, if the Wu has validated or in this case no longer needed, the Wu will be purged very shortly afterwards,

Claggy

Good to know. I thought that was it but since I was getting the 404 messages I wasn't sure.
4704) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (58) Server problems? (Message 1159811)
Posted 7 Oct 2011 by Profile HAL9000
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Guess what I just got?

AP task, I know. I've got one myself half an hour ago :-)

I want to know if anyone manages to get a Nvidia/ATI GPU AP task, or doesn't get one.

Claggy

I'm monitoring. Got a 'tasks for CPU are available' (like last night) about an hour ago, but only 'no tasks available' since then - so, inconclusive. I'm about to apply some beer to the question, which may help.


Well, i've got a AP Wu sent to my Nvidia GPU, so that works, Just need to see if i can get one sent to my ATI GPU now,

Claggy


13 AP's for my q8200 CPU, and 2 AP's for my ATI 4850 on the same computer, during the day when I was at work.

Edit: Some started trickling in in the middle of the night, while I was sleeping.

I have gotten several AP tasks on various machines as well!

About your trickling issue while sleeping. I hear that can happen as you age. :)
4705) Message boards : Number crunching : Error while downloading - due to "MD5 check failed" (Message 1159810)
Posted 7 Oct 2011 by Profile HAL9000
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I got a 404 when I tried to manually download the file. It might have gotten messed up with the recent RAID issues.

I wasn't sure if the AP tasks used something funny to generate the hash so I did try all of these locations. with the corresponding hash for each name.
http://boinc2.ssl.berkeley.edu/sah/download_fanout/270/ap_22jl11af_B4_P1_00012_20110928_13295.wu
http://boinc2.ssl.berkeley.edu/sah/download_fanout/270/ap_22jl11af_B4_P1_00012_20110928_13295
http://boinc2.ssl.berkeley.edu/sah/download_fanout/270/22jl11af_B4_P1_00012_20110928_13295
http://boinc2.ssl.berkeley.edu/sah/download_fanout/270/22jl11af_B4_P1_00012_20110928_13295.wu

http://boinc2.ssl.berkeley.edu/sah/download_fanout/1cd/ap_22jl11af_B4_P1_00012_20110928_13295.wu
http://boinc2.ssl.berkeley.edu/sah/download_fanout/1cd/ap_22jl11af_B4_P1_00012_20110928_13295
http://boinc2.ssl.berkeley.edu/sah/download_fanout/1cd/22jl11af_B4_P1_00012_20110928_13295
http://boinc2.ssl.berkeley.edu/sah/download_fanout/1cd/22jl11af_B4_P1_00012_20110928_13295.wu

http://boinc2.ssl.berkeley.edu/sah/download_fanout/224/ap_22jl11af_B4_P1_00012_20110928_13295.wu
http://boinc2.ssl.berkeley.edu/sah/download_fanout/224/ap_22jl11af_B4_P1_00012_20110928_13295
http://boinc2.ssl.berkeley.edu/sah/download_fanout/224/22jl11af_B4_P1_00012_20110928_13295
http://boinc2.ssl.berkeley.edu/sah/download_fanout/224/22jl11af_B4_P1_00012_20110928_13295.wu

http://boinc2.ssl.berkeley.edu/sah/download_fanout/8e/ap_22jl11af_B4_P1_00012_20110928_13295.wu
http://boinc2.ssl.berkeley.edu/sah/download_fanout/8e/ap_22jl11af_B4_P1_00012_20110928_13295
http://boinc2.ssl.berkeley.edu/sah/download_fanout/8e/22jl11af_B4_P1_00012_20110928_13295
http://boinc2.ssl.berkeley.edu/sah/download_fanout/8e/22jl11af_B4_P1_00012_20110928_13295.wu
4706) Message boards : Number crunching : What amount of cache (Message 1159564)
Posted 6 Oct 2011 by Profile HAL9000
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I use these values, but 25% should be fine for your system.
Disk: use at most					10 GB
Disk: leave free at least				0.001 GB
Disk: use at most					100% of total
Tasks checkpoint to disk at most every			60 seconds
Swap space: use at most					100% of total
Memory: when computer is in use, use at most		100% of total
Memory: when computer is not in use, use at most	100% of total
4707) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (58) Server problems? (Message 1159501)
Posted 6 Oct 2011 by Profile HAL9000
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Looks like the Stock Cuda scheduler fix might have been implemented, Cricket downloads have spiked, and downloads are slow again ;-)

Claggy

Just noticed that myself.
Has the patch been applied, or the limits raised, or AP WUs finally being released again?

I just looked at the tasks on one of my CPU only machines "In progress (178)"
4708) Message boards : Number crunching : HE connection problems thread (Message 1159498)
Posted 6 Oct 2011 by Profile HAL9000
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Since they are pretty sure they know where they current connection issue is maybe this thread should be closed until they have the time, or are able to, muck about with the router?
4709) Message boards : Number crunching : ~ Temporary Fix for HE connection problems ~ (Message 1159296)
Posted 6 Oct 2011 by Profile HAL9000
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Yes, I asked HE a few weeks ago and posted the result here

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=64652&nowrap=true#1145686


The problem appears to be within seti@home. The pao hop is the last hop
before we hand traffic off to them. After that is where things are dying.

You would need to contact seti@home about the issue.

Regards,


Is there a chance that anyone can fix this routing/firewall problem for good?
It is probably something just irritatingly simple.

I'm a linux system administrator, and can sympathise that sometimes things go wrong, and need fixing, but this continuous downtime does not look at all good from the outside.

I try to ensure that when things break, the cause is identified and remedied quickly, and if possible, write some code to attempt an automatic fix so the systems can better look after themselves.

After a while, there should be little for humans to do except feed hard disks and gaze at the processes while munching pizza. :-)

The issues had been identified a while ago. It's in the HE connection problems thread thread, or might be in the news area somewhere, but a router donated by a 3rd party needs more ram or to be replaced. Jeff posted a message about contacting the people that donated the router to see if they would be able to help.
4710) Message boards : Number crunching : will my ati 5970 ever get a wu? (Message 1159290)
Posted 6 Oct 2011 by Profile HAL9000
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For windows the lunatics install is pretty easy. You just select boxes, or radial buttons maybe, for your hardware.
Your host with the i5 & ATI card the bext selections would be SSSE3x & MB_6.10_win_SSE3_ATI_HD5_r177. Then for AP work there are more options if you run that.
4711) Message boards : Number crunching : will my ati 5970 ever get a wu? (Message 1159284)
Posted 6 Oct 2011 by Profile HAL9000
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I'm anxious to see how it will perform, but the gpu never gets any work to do....?

Not with the stock applications. If you want to install the optimized applications from Lunatics then you will be able to use it.
4712) Message boards : Number crunching : What exactly does this mean? (Message 1159280)
Posted 6 Oct 2011 by Profile HAL9000
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...
However I wouldn't expect it to be host name filtering. As that would probably to much CPU time on the backend.
...

Actually, BOINC does have a blacklist feature though it works from the hostID rather than name. If a project sets a field in a host's record to -1, a work request from that host gets a "Not accepting requests from this host" error message in the reply.

With BOINCstats showing 223782 active hosts on the project, there may be a few which have been lucky enough to get work every time they ask, and a few which have gotten no work for weeks by pure bad luck. But if I had a host which wasn't getting any work I'd be capturing packets from its requests and comparing them to packets from a host which was successfully getting work, or any other methods of seeing what was different I could conceive.
                                                                   Joe

Good to know. I would guess this is the same mechanism that is used for the things like "Not sending work - last request too recent: X sec" & "This computer has reached a limit on tasks in progress".

Normally I just get:
"Project communication failed: attempting access to reference site"
"Internet access OK - project servers may be temporarily down."

Although I have seen the "HTTP service unavailable" message. At work I normally see some kind of "gateway timeout" message.
4713) Message boards : Number crunching : From GPU to CPU (Message 1159249)
Posted 6 Oct 2011 by Profile HAL9000
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Think the best is to go to account settings and disable GPU work, then BOINC should only request CPU work, later enable GPU work again when CPU work is received.


I've had that option unchecked before. I have an ATI card not Nvidia. Is there another preference somewhere that I'm missing?

As there is no standard ATI application at this time there is no option to enable/disable ATI GPU work as was mentioned.

If your work requests are only giving you GPU I would move work to the CPU as needed. They take a bit longer, but you are doing several at a time. So IMO it doesn't effect the average stuff to much. With the hard limits on number of tasks in progress it makes everything else basically irrelevant at the moment.
4714) Message boards : Number crunching : HE connection problems thread (Message 1159242)
Posted 5 Oct 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Again.

Two hours ago something happened, and none of my machines
(using 3 ISPs + proxy that worked a while ago) managed to upload/report.

...snip

BR
Iztok


~Two hrs ago the US East coast workday ended, and folks are pounding the BOA servers again...or just looking for a new Bank.

Lt


They only work until 3:00PM on the East Coast? I need to move.

Edit: I was thinking West Coast. My workday (on the east coast) ended 3 hours ago, but was far to long...
4715) Message boards : Number crunching : What exactly does this mean? (Message 1159241)
Posted 5 Oct 2011 by Profile HAL9000
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But why does the one machine on this network segment upload and download just fine and suddenly this one keeps throwing out these log messages and doesn't get squat??? Is there something server side that tracks these machine's names and puts them in a queue for when they can upload and download? The code running here is just wacky...two identical machines running S@H...one works...the other no longer does...

The exact meaning of that message is that you got a response of 503 from the server. Which is something along the lines of "The server is currently unable to handle the request due to a temporary overloading or maintenance of the server."

I have found when the network is working correctly I sometimes have to bounce BOINC, or set the network activity to suspend for a few seconds then back on before anything will work again.

Each machine you have makes a unique connection to the server every time it makes a request. It could be one of those intangible resources in the machine needs cleared by restarting BOINC or rebooting.

It could also just be that when that machine says "Hi" to the server it freaks out and responds with "#$@&*!". Normally TCP/IP packets do include the host machine name at some point. So there could be something in the process that is getting tripped up. However I wouldn't expect it to be host name filtering. As that would probably to much CPU time on the backend.

More than likely it is just the result of the servers getting hammered constantly.
4716) Message boards : Number crunching : HE connection problems thread (Message 1159235)
Posted 5 Oct 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Again.

Two hours ago something happened, and none of my machines
(using 3 ISPs + proxy that worked a while ago) managed to upload/report.

Cricket shows full load, so at least some other people can connect.
Router again...

BR
Iztok

After the 2nd start up around 12:00 on the cricket graph I lost connection at work again also. :/
4717) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (57) Server problems? (Message 1159166)
Posted 5 Oct 2011 by Profile HAL9000
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I still wonder if the S@H traffic isn't mistaken for a DOS attack in some cases and is filtered or blocked by the routers.

Our normal traffic does look like a DDOS attack. When things start acting up it just looks like a larger DDOS attack.
4718) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (57) Server problems? (Message 1159130)
Posted 5 Oct 2011 by Profile HAL9000
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Uploaded and reported just now.

It does look like the HE network has returned to the internet. :D
4719) Message boards : Number crunching : HE connection problems thread (Message 1159072)
Posted 5 Oct 2011 by Profile HAL9000
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From where I am it looks like the whole HE network is down.
4720) Message boards : Number crunching : Project has no tasks available (Message 1159070)
Posted 5 Oct 2011 by Profile HAL9000
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1) "Results ready to send" doesn't matter. You connect to the "feeder" which holds at max 100 tasks at a time.
2) After a maintenance cycle when everything is working correctly it takes about a day for things to get back to normal. Depending on how many people are hammering the servers & the kind of work that is getting sent out.

With the current limits being imposed, 50 CPU tasks & an equally low # of GPU tasks, I am surprised I have seen any work come through at all. Most of my requests come back as "project servers may be temporarily down" or 0 tasks sent. As of this post it show the count down to about 500k. So there is work going out.


Yes, and normally after the weekly maintenance period the cricket graph is pegged. This hasn't happened and currently it is flat lined and has been for hours. Obviously there is still something going on.

For some time the "PIAX router" has been wonky. When I first saw the line go flat I was hoping maybe they took the router down to upgrade its memory, but that should not normally take 4+ hours.

Maybe the guys the router & rack space have got another piece of equipment that is getting setup right now. If that is true they probably would pull the old one, put the new one in, and then set it up as the connection isn't "mission critical".

Then again something could have simply pooped out higher up. When I try to do a trace I don't hit any HE equipment. My hop from ALTER.NET gives me "Destination host unreachable".
4721) Message boards : Number crunching : Project has no tasks available (Message 1159001)
Posted 5 Oct 2011 by Profile HAL9000
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1) "Results ready to send" doesn't matter. You connect to the "feeder" which holds at max 100 tasks at a time.
2) After a maintenance cycle when everything is working correctly it takes about a day for things to get back to normal. Depending on how many people are hammering the servers & the kind of work that is getting sent out.

With the current limits being imposed, 50 CPU tasks & an equally low # of GPU tasks, I am surprised I have seen any work come through at all. Most of my requests come back as "project servers may be temporarily down" or 0 tasks sent. As of this post it show the count down to about 500k. So there is work going out.
4722) Message boards : News : Another way to support SETI@home (Message 1159000)
Posted 5 Oct 2011 by Profile HAL9000
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Someone please correct me if I'm wrong but I read the FAQs and you don't actually need to create an account with these guys (unless of course you want to monitor your own contribution). I only mention this so people don't get scared off by having to create their millionth internet account. Do make sure though that donations are going to University of California - SETI@home, as mentioned.

I'm sure we're all allergic to toolbars by now (especially on these crummy 16:9 monitors) but there are plug-ins for IE, firefox, and intructions for Chrome, again as mentioned.

Another thing to keep in mind is that obvious searches like Hotmail or Facebook don't count. Neither do Image and Video searches. So don't go all OCD on the thing:)

Blurf, you are a genius!

Happy searchin' everybody!

Since I added the search box with Firefox I keep mistaking it for the address bar. So when I go to type an address like www.cisco.com I end up doing a search for it instead of just going there. At first I'm like #@$%^&*~!, but then I'm like "oh neat I helped raise monies so it's ok".
4723) Message boards : Number crunching : Never saw this one before ! (Message 1158992)
Posted 5 Oct 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Master database queries/second -755,769 1m

Thats minus 755,769 ... LOL

You probably haven't look at it much before, but right after the maintenance cycle that is pretty much normal. A few hours later and it is down to 35,000.
4724) Message boards : Number crunching : hardware question (Message 1158608)
Posted 3 Oct 2011 by Profile HAL9000
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There were a few motherboard that could use both DDR & DDR2, but they have separate slots for each type. Often just 2 of each. Since a 2GB kit of DDR is about $40-45 & a 2GB kit of DDR2 is about $25 it does make it a tough choice on what to do.

One option you might be able to do is find a newer board for your current chip that would let you use the DDR2 memory. Then again for what that would cost you could probably just get a used board and CPU with an athlon x2 or something.

Easiest/Cheapest option: do nothing & hold onto the parts in the event you happen on some other parts later.
4725) Message boards : Number crunching : CPU but not GPU? (Message 1158484)
Posted 3 Oct 2011 by Profile HAL9000
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Just an FYI for a PM I received, The rescheduler will NOT reschedule WU's that are already in progress.

If you uncheck "do not include running tasks in the rescheduling" the tasks will happily move from one to the other.
4726) Message boards : Number crunching : Will these GPUs crunch Seti (Message 1158293)
Posted 2 Oct 2011 by Profile HAL9000
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Been looking into a new vid card. Trying to stay under $100. How about ATI cards?

I wanted to replace my 8500 with a GT 430, but the PO for it at work was never approved.
4727) Message boards : Number crunching : SETI / BOINC feature I'd like to see (Message 1158079)
Posted 2 Oct 2011 by Profile HAL9000
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Set up SETI / BOINC so that you can designate alternate projects.

Hear me out before you say we already have this, because we don't, or if we do, it's buried.

What I mean is that we can select several priority levels, all of which would use 100% of available CPU time, but we prioritize them so that they cascade.

For instance:

Priority 1 : SETI @ 100%
Priority 2 : Einstein @ 100%
Priority 3 : Climate Prediction @50% & Milky Way at 50%
Priority 4 : All unselected BOINC projects

What would happen is that whenever SETI work is available, SETI work would use 100% of available processor time.

If SETI cannot provide work units, and processors are idle, then BOINC goes looking for Einstein workunits.

If Einstein workunits are unavailable, it pulls them a few at a time, preferrably with completion dates far, far into the future, while it waits for SETI units.

If neither Einstein or SETI units are available, it pulls 50/50 climate prediction & Milky way projects.

If none of the above are available, BOINC pulls work from random projects.


Now, if SETI workunits become available again, BOINC would immediately suspend other work and go back to SETI. If the SETI work queue grows on the local machine to 10 days, then BOINC returns all work units from other projects.

** It might be nice to include an option for BOINC to allow completion of work units from other projects, rather than simply returning them when SETI has filled up it's queue.

This is sort of like that you want. BOINC already supports setting things up for a "backup project". If you go to "Preferences for this project" and set "Resource share" to 0 then that project will only download and run run when other projects with a "Resource share" > 0 are unable to get work.

Once you start getting work from your preferred project(s) the other tasks are completed but no new tasks are downloaded.

I have collatz and primegrid both as backup projects with their "Resource share" set to 0.
4728) Message boards : Number crunching : HE connection problems thread (Message 1157949)
Posted 1 Oct 2011 by Profile HAL9000
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And thanks from me, too.

All of which raises another question. What happened back in June to make the routing table, apparently, outgrow the memory which has served us for the last three years or more?

According to http://boinc.netsoft-online.com/e107_plugins/boinc/bp.php?project=19 the numbers of both active users and active hosts - then only ones of interest to a router, surely? - have been declining steadily for the last three months. Even if there was a peak in June, we should have dipped back down below the limit by now. Or have the routing tables themselves grown in size with the preparations for IPv6?

With the IPv6 stuff starting up in June that is a very good possibility. Maybe just having the router drop IPv6 packets for now could be a solution.
4729) Message boards : Number crunching : Will these GPUs crunch Seti (Message 1157947)
Posted 1 Oct 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

I think it is more likely that you are having an issue with the x38g app raising it's priority to normal. Since going to the newest version I often see the GPU maxing out a CPU core instead of only using 2-5%. If I change the task to low then everything works fine for a while. It is problematic enough for me I keep thinking about going back to the previous version. However, With the connection problems and other issues the machine doesn't really get enough work for me to send any to the GPU.


The only time I see the x38g app using that kind of CPU time is when it is first starting up and "priming the pump", when it is filling the GPU with initial data. Once it actually starts processing the work unit it drops down to 5% or less. This is normal, and happens with the unoptimized app as well.

Yes the app does use CPU time while loading the work up. Which is perfectly normal. It is just when you look at the task manager and see the GPU app has been using the CPU for the past minutes that it is an issue. When I see that I just lower the app priority and then everything is fine.
There was some discussion about the app priority causing issues back in June http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=64699
4730) Message boards : Number crunching : HE connection problems thread (Message 1157939)
Posted 1 Oct 2011 by Profile HAL9000
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Thanks for the info Jeff. Hopefully the router isn't maxed out at 1GB already and just has like 128mb or 256mb in it.
4731) Message boards : Number crunching : Mac Book Pro Problem (Message 1157892)
Posted 1 Oct 2011 by Profile HAL9000
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One of the more recent updates might be running something that was not running previously & eating up some CPU time.
If you mainly use it just for crunching these days you could backup what you need to and do a fresh install. Then set the updates to manual & not install any for a while. If that showed an improvement you could incrementally install the updates to see if one of them causes it to start misbehaving again.
4732) Message boards : Number crunching : HE connection problems thread (Message 1157887)
Posted 1 Oct 2011 by Profile HAL9000
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Based on pinging, etc. it appears the HE connection problem comes and goes for me. When the problem is here, my messages say "BOINC can't access the Internet". That tells me its time to switch to a proxy, clear my uploads and fill my cache. I can't leave it on proxy, since some of the other projects don't work then. That is more babysitting than I normally do with BOINC, but it keeps me crunching.

I believe if you get the response that Boinc can't access the internet, the problem is on your end, as I think that is generated after Boinc tries to get to Amazon or Google as a connection test. I only get that if my router or modem goes flaky and needs a reboot.

When the site is wonky and your internet is OK the message looks a bit like this.
10/1/2011 9:25:52 AM	SETI@home	Scheduler request failed: Failure when receiving data from the peer
10/1/2011 9:25:54 AM			Project communication failed: attempting access to reference site
10/1/2011 9:25:56 AM			Internet access OK - project servers may be temporarily down.
10/1/2011 9:25:57 AM			Stop clicking buttons. Go have breakfast, or pet your kitteh.
4733) Message boards : Number crunching : Interesting behavior (Message 1157884)
Posted 1 Oct 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
My understanding is that OpenCL has the concept of compute devices and should be able to use CPUs as well as GPUs and anything else that could be considered a compute device. But Astropulse working on a single thread starts to make sense. The SETI@home seemed to possibly be multi-threaded. I'm pretty sure the WUs spread across the remaining 3 cores as they finished, so when there was only one left to execute there was still lots of activity on those 3 cores. I didn't have a long time to observe it though.

Your computers are using the stock S@H applications. Which are not OpenCL based nor multi-threaded. Also there is not currently a stock S@H application for ATI video cards. BOINC, the application that hosts S@H, will run several instances of the applications to use all of your CPU cores if you set it to do so.

To use ATI GPUs with S@H you would need to use the optimized applications from Lunatics.

When you say ATI 7820 I am guessing that is an ATI FirePro M7820 in a HP EliteBook 8740w. I am not sure if they have released a driver for the FirePro or FireGL cards, but currently there is not a driver for the Mobile Radeon GPUs that will allow the optimized ATI application to work.
4734) Message boards : Number crunching : General Question About Networking (Message 1157876)
Posted 1 Oct 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
When you were doing a trace to boinc2.ssl.berkeley.edu your route started like this.
1 1 ms <1 ms 1 ms mygateway1.ar7 [192.168.2.254]
2 67 ms 64 ms 64 ms nexthop.sa.iinet.net.au [203.215.11.249]
3 65 ms 65 ms 65 ms po2.ade-pipe-bdr1.iinet.net.au [203.215.10.22]

Then once you started doing traces to other addresses, such as i-2-1.paix01.bi.reach.com, your route changed to this
1 1 ms 1 ms 1 ms mygateway1.ar7 [192.168.2.254]
2 66 ms 66 ms 66 ms nexthop.sa.iinet.net.au [203.215.11.249]
3 64 ms 64 ms 64 ms po2.ade-pipe-bdr2.iinet.net.au [203.215.10.24]

When you try to hit boinc2.ssl.berkeley.edu in the first route i-2-1.paix01.bi.reach.com comes in as the 7th hop, but when hitting it directly it comes in at 13. For non-static routes routers make decisions of how to route data. The router you hit may not know the destination you want so it will send it to the next in line device, or if it does it might send it somewhere else. Normally routes only get held for so long in a router, so if one isn't used for a while it gets bumped out and then would have to relearn it later. Which is why the PIAX router might need more memory. With weird routing issues it is often the first thing to suspect.
Also if where a router wants to initially send you is to slow or not responding it could route to around the other side of the planet. Routes can also change if hardware needs to be taken down for some reason.

Having said that you will see your routes to most places not really change that often.

Also a timeout during a trace doesn't always mean that your trace is going nowhere, it just means that you didn't get a response. Often this occurs when a device is set to to respond to an ICMP ping, which is used by the trace.
4735) Message boards : Number crunching : Will these GPUs crunch Seti (Message 1157857)
Posted 1 Oct 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Appears the 8400 host's 6.10 task may have done CPU fallback as LadyL mentioned earlier in this thread. That task hasn't been reported by the host yet, probably due to current upload / report issues at the project. It doesn't have any other 6.10 tasks, so I'd advise disabling it pending advice from others t;hat know more than I about that card. (Activity menu).

The host with the 210 completed and reported two 6.10 tasks and they are pending validation, but no errors. Not sure on the other 3, should have crunched by now but may be hung up in the upload/report process.


yeah...I think I am learning about cpu fallback. Seems like it occurs if you switch between two gpu projects...


I think it is more likely that you are having an issue with the x38g app raising it's priority to normal. Since going to the newest version I often see the GPU maxing out a CPU core instead of only using 2-5%. If I change the task to low then everything works fine for a while. It is problematic enough for me I keep thinking about going back to the previous version. However, With the connection problems and other issues the machine doesn't really get enough work for me to send any to the GPU.
4736) Message boards : Number crunching : System based on Intel Atom CPU? (Message 1157550)
Posted 30 Sep 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Depending on your time frame there are suppose to be new Atom CPUs out soonish. Between now and Q1 2012 IIRC.
A small i3 or one of those AMD APU things might be good to look into as well.

I am guessing HTPC?

I made an i7 for my HTPC and the aftermarket cooler keeps it silent and cool. The cooling fan on the TV is the loudest thing I hear when I hit mute.
4737) Message boards : Number crunching : HE connection problems thread (Message 1157549)
Posted 30 Sep 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

I'm getting odd results as well.
First trace to setiboincdata.ssl.berkeley.edu:
6 500.Serial3-7.GW4.PHL1.ALTER.NET [157.130.19.53] reports: Destination host unreachable.

Second trace to setiboincdata.ssl.berkeley.edu:
11 77 ms 77 ms 77 ms hurrican-electric-llc.port-channel100.ar3.sjc2.gblx.net [64.214.174.246]
12 * 64.212.107.57 reports: Destination host unreachable.


Might explain why the kitties are unable to reach the servers and the Cricket graph is tanked even though the server status page shows all go.
This might be that dang router again, and not the Seti servers.

I am getting some weird message I haven't seen before as well.
SETI@home Scheduler request failed: HTTP file not found
SETI@home Project file upload handler is missing
That might be related to the RAID hiccup. I haven't looked into it as it doesn't seem to be to be much of an issue at the moment.
4738) Message boards : Number crunching : HE connection problems thread (Message 1157455)
Posted 30 Sep 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I'm getting some weird stuff from the router today:

Tracing route to setiboincdata.ssl.berkeley.edu [208.68.240.16]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms my.router [192.168.173.1]
2 18 ms 18 ms 19 ms esr9.manchester6.broadband.bt.net [217.47.158.140]
3 18 ms 19 ms 18 ms 217.47.158.125
4 19 ms 18 ms 18 ms 10gigabitethernet6-3.core1.ash1.he.net [213.1.69.18]
5 17 ms 18 ms 18 ms 10gigabitethernet6-3.core1.ash1.he.net [217.32.27.234]
6 19 ms 19 ms 18 ms 10gigabitethernet6-3.core1.ash1.he.net [217.32.27.54]
7 18 ms 18 ms 17 ms 10gigabitethernet6-3.core1.ash1.he.net [217.32.27.182]
8 * * * Request timed out.
9 * * * Request timed out.
10 * * * Request timed out.
11 * * * Request timed out.
12 111 ms 114 ms 111 ms 10gigabitethernet6-3.core1.ash1.he.net [72.52.92.137]
13 192 ms 184 ms 190 ms 10gigabitethernet7-4.core1.pao1.he.net [184.105.213.177]
14 * * * Request timed out.
15 215 ms 186 ms 191 ms 208.68.243.254
16 221 ms 221 ms 211 ms setiboincdata.ssl.berkeley.edu [208.68.240.16]

Trace complete.

Five different IP addresses for the 6-3 router? That feels like problems within the global HE network, not just something limited to 'our' router.

In and among, I've had a few successful contacts with SETI (upload/report/new work/download) this morning, but most attempts have failed.

I'm getting odd results as well.
First trace to setiboincdata.ssl.berkeley.edu:
6 500.Serial3-7.GW4.PHL1.ALTER.NET [157.130.19.53] reports: Destination host unreachable.

Second trace to setiboincdata.ssl.berkeley.edu:
11 77 ms 77 ms 77 ms hurrican-electric-llc.port-channel100.ar3.sjc2.gblx.net [64.214.174.246]
12 * 64.212.107.57 reports: Destination host unreachable.

4739) Message boards : Number crunching : HE connection problems thread (Message 1157453)
Posted 30 Sep 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Any of the 7600 or 4300 series would be massive overkill if all that is being moved is a single GB line to the science lab. At work I am using a Cisco 4503 with a 48 ports of 1gb and 12 ports of 10Gb for an entire test lab.
If it is a dedicated device for the HE line then it would probably be a Cisco 1900 or something similar.

I'd be very surprised. Before the lab upgraded to the 7600 series, they were using a 2811 - and eventually found that it was restricting the bandwidth to 61 Mb/sec. It isn't the port speed which matters, it's the CPU power (yes, a CPU in a router) to handle the encryption/decryption for the VPN tunnel. See message 698445.

The same search led me to some data on the PAIX router - apparently it's a 7301 - message 700589.

Wow nice one finding that post from over 3 years ago. If it was running around 40% back then I can only imagine what it looks like with the GPUs running these days.
4740) Message boards : Number crunching : HE connection problems thread (Message 1157354)
Posted 30 Sep 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Folks, the problem is KNOWN to be a flakey router (208.68.243.254) at the Hurricane Electric interconnect in Palo Alto, California. S@H staff is working with HE to get it either fixed or replaced, but until that happens, SOME folks' access to the S@H upload/download pipe will be blocked, and it may not always be the same ones.

There is a work-around - see the Proxy thread.

Almost correct. The router does not belong to either Hurricane Electric or to Seti. It belongs to a third party who has graciously donated its use to Seti and is also paying the rent to have that router in the PAIX co-location facility. I don't know if that box carries any traffic other than for Seti, but it could. This makes the politics of getting it fixed or replaced a bit interesting. As things stand now this third party is in control. I'm sure if someone stepped up to the plate and offered to purchase a enterprise class router and pay the monthly rent at PAIX the staff would be very happy.

Oh, the task of the router is to take HE traffic for Seti and re-route it onto Cal-Ren to head to a link to the Campus. There is another router on Campus that splits the traffic back so the SETI traffic goes up the 100mbs fiber to the SSL and Campus traffic goes into their net. This isn't something a home LAN router can do.

To add to what Gary said: Matt told us that the router at the Berkeley end of that complicated link is a Cisco 7600 series (MLK Day 2008) - that's at least five figures in anybody's currency. It actually lives at the top of the fiber link, in the J-rack in SETI's server closet (or did when the February 2008 photo album was taken).

We don't know exactly what model number the PAIX router is, but it'll have to be a compatible Cisco running IOS, and any replacement would probably be on the scale of the lab's 7600.

Yep, that is no home router, I did a search of Cisco 7600 series routers and depending on the model, the price varies, a lot.

Any of the 7600 or 4300 series would be massive overkill if all that is being moved is a single GB line to the science lab. At work I am using a Cisco 4503 with a 48 ports of 1gb and 12 ports of 10Gb for an entire test lab.
If it is a dedicated device for the HE line then it would probably be a Cisco 1900 or something similar.
4741) Message boards : Number crunching : PCI (not express) CUDA card ? (Message 1157222)
Posted 29 Sep 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

My 8500 GT had no factory fan & got rather warm while crunching. So I attached a small, 50 or 60mm, fan to it. It doesn't make any more noise and stays much cooler.


Yep, any fan is better than none at all. A PCI slot exhaust fan might be enough, as long as air is moving over the heatsink.

Does your 8500GT use just a single slot?

Lt

Well... it did. The fan sticks out far enough that it would prevent me from using the adjacent slot. This is what the card looks like, except I've got the 256MB version. So it probably has fewer memory chips on it.
4742) Message boards : Number crunching : PCI (not express) CUDA card ? (Message 1157214)
Posted 29 Sep 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
That link really interesting and encouraging for CUDA crunching on PCI machines.


Per the Zotac website, there is no fan on the PCI version. That could be a problem for crunching.

Lt


My 8500 GT had no factory fan & got rather warm while crunching. So I attached a small, 50 or 60mm, fan to it. It doesn't make any more noise and stays much cooler.
4743) Message boards : Number crunching : PCI (not express) CUDA card ? (Message 1157194)
Posted 29 Sep 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
You can not buy the Zotec GT 430 PCI card directly from Zotac in the US now.
The Zotac store has it for $78.99 which is a lot better than the $130 I saw from a company importing them from the UK.
4744) Message boards : Number crunching : Goodsearch for Seti........ (Message 1157167)
Posted 29 Sep 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
also why not post ads on the header or footer of the seti page to generate some income . i use google ads on my page and it generates quiet a bit of revenue .
now imagine using google ads on the seti page with so much more ppl visiting


Ad-supported pages are against University policy, and look very tacky to most people visiting.

I also block all of those ad sites within my router at home and my ISA server at work.
The goodsearch thing is nice as other can use it to contribute even if they don't wish to do anything else.
4745) Message boards : Number crunching : Will these GPUs crunch Seti (Message 1157071)
Posted 29 Sep 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I am using an 8500 GT with only 256mb of ram as well. In Windows 7 with all the whiz-bang graphics enabled BOINC is reporting:
NVIDIA GPU 0: GeForce 8500 GT (driver version 28026, CUDA version 4000, compute capability 1.1, 240MB, 45 GFLOPS peak)
I've not had any issue with it working other then not being able to connect due to the current router issue.
4746) Message boards : Number crunching : Can't upload from work (Message 1156819)
Posted 28 Sep 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thanks, all.

The proxies seem to help. Never needed them before.

Sounds like the problem is in Berkeley, rather than on my end.

Wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something.

The problem seems to be in the ISP that is hosting the data connection for all of the data transfers. See the HE connection problems thread for a full rundown.
4747) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (55) Server problems? (Message 1155118)
Posted 23 Sep 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The limit I was referring to is total pending cpu/gpu.

Well I was referring to whats on My application details page, which has details for both cpu and gpu, of course I quit doing cpu work months ago, but does not refer to pendings, wherever that is at.


http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/results.php?hostid=3744107

Your in progress count. Mine seems maxed at 450 for several hours, never higher.

I am guessing others are getting more because of 6 physical cpu cores(the HT and the 2nd CPU on mine are most likely ignored in their figuring)

Turned in 9 tasks, got 9 tasks. Turned in 12, got 12.

I think it is safe to say I am done loading up until they increase the server side limits.

B4 I did the Flops setting in the app info file I was repeatedly getting only 4 wu's for the gpus, afterwards the amount went up to as high as 41, minimum I saw b4 putting boinc back to sleep was about 31 or so. At 11pm tonight Boinc will awake and crunch until 7am in the morning here so as to avoid overloading Me or the cooler.

It looks like they might have set the limit for CPU only machines to 50. I saw that limit message on one of my home boxen. So I did a project reset. It was resent 20, 20, and then 10 tasks from the 57 it had previously. Then the next request was again the limit message. The estimated time is only about 3x the actual completion time 2.5 hour tasks taking 30 min, 7 hr tasks taking about 2 hours.

Two of my other home machines have exactly 50 tasks in progress and are also getting the limit message.

Some work > no work!
4748) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (55) Server problems? (Message 1155106)
Posted 23 Sep 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The limit I was referring to is total pending cpu/gpu.

Well I was referring to whats on My application details page, which has details for both cpu and gpu, of course I quit doing cpu work months ago, but does not refer to pendings, wherever that is at.

The limit displayed there is nonsense. When I fired up my 24 core machine at work it showed a limit of like 200-300 after a few days with a 1 day cache, but then proceeded to download 1500 tasks in a few hours when I bumped the cache limit up. With it showing 'Max tasks per day: 250 Number of tasks today: '1500

It could have been that limit was just broken that day with all the mucking about they have been doing.
4749) Message boards : Number crunching : Wierd AP credit (Message 1154873)
Posted 22 Sep 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I've got one to contribute! http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/workunit.php?wuid=815849953

56.32

Maybe because they are using a client that doesn't report run time.
4750) Message boards : Number crunching : Cons Vs. Pros - BOINC Manager(s) (Message 1154610)
Posted 21 Sep 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Would it be feasible to run one BOINC for CPU work and another for GPU work?

This might kill 2 birds with one stone:
1) the problem of DCF bouncing all the time
2) the problem of CPU starving while the GPU is always fed

I was going to do that at one point, but then I switched to only requesting CPU tasks and rescheduling then to the GPU. With my slower GPU I move about 100 tasks over a week.
4751) Message boards : Number crunching : Cons Vs. Pros - BOINC Manager(s) (Message 1154345)
Posted 21 Sep 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
That's kinda what I was looking for HAL. I am currently running only those same two projects on this computer, and was looking to do something similar. Thanks for the heads up.

The only thing that I didn't get at first when setting it up was that you must tell the 2nd instance what port to run on or you won't be able to connect to the 2nd instance with a manager.
As I don't use the BOINC installer it was easy for me to make a 2nd folder with BOINC in it and set for another project. If you are using the installer I'm not sure how it will handle a 2nd instance.

As the machine I do this on is headless and I don't run BM my start up for it looks something like this. Doing this from memory I might have a few things wonky, but with that and reading the manual you should be able to get it all working as you want.
D:\BOINC\boinc.exe --allow_multiple_clients --gui_rpc_port 31417 --detach_console
D:\BOINC2\boinc.exe --allow_multiple_clients --gui_rpc_port 31418 --detach_console

This setting is not intended for limiting CPU function, but I have found it to work better than expressing a % of processor to use.
D:\BOINC\cc_config.xml uses <ncpus>3</ncpus> for S@H
D:\BOINC2\cc_config.xml uses <ncpus>1</ncpus> for S@H Beta

All of this kind of configuration would defiantly fall in the "advanced user" section I would think. So use at your own risk and such
4752) Message boards : Number crunching : Cons Vs. Pros - BOINC Manager(s) (Message 1154182)
Posted 20 Sep 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I run two instances of BOINC on 1 machines without to much of an issue. In my case it is Seti@home & Seti@home Beta. I did this to partition the resource use as I wanted instead of how BOINC was managing things on its own for the two projects. One instance I limited to 3 CPUs and the other I limited to 1 CPU. So the one project always gets full use of 1 processor in the machine.

If you have 2 projects you wanted to evenly allocate resources between I think this is a better solution. Otherwise BOINC uses a debt management system. So you may only work on one projects for a few days, or weeks, before it runs any work fro the other project. In the grand scheme of things this is fine, but it can be hard to look at and come to terms with.
4753) Message boards : Number crunching : Interesting (Message 1153668)
Posted 18 Sep 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
...that keeps generating a new ID at every contact with the server for some unknown reason.

The reason is not unknown. ;-)

Some BOINC clients assign a new host-(CP)ID every time that a server connect is made from another network. And with laptops, changing networks is pretty common.

Gruß,
Gundolf

And sometimes things just go crazy and a machine keeps getting a new ID every few connections without moving from network to network. As one of my home machines did few a few days a few months ago.
4754) Message boards : Number crunching : Weird (?) result status (Message 1153293)
Posted 17 Sep 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hi,

may be a stupid question, but I found this

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/workunit.php?wuid=797100773

under my tasks. Has anybody had this before and could shed some light on it?

Many Thanks

MF / Andy

Looks like the task timed out for the first person. Then was sent out again, to you. While you were processing it they returned the task & it validated. Then you returned your result.
You may or may not get credit for it.
4755) Message boards : Number crunching : Upload server down? (Message 1153015)
Posted 17 Sep 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I am siting here thinking,
It would be nice if it was possible to send is the AP`s to the GPU cos they take longer,
And the MB`s to CPU cos they are short running,

So as to level out the run time`s.
Longest running tasks to the fastest processing unit,
And i accept that the above totaly ignores what software is available to run tasks that way and other real world considerations and can not be done like that any time soon.

It is a pity that such a tool doesn't exist. Except for the one that does. :)
4756) Message boards : Number crunching : Eponymous (Message 1153012)
Posted 17 Sep 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The anonymous platform is used for any unsupported platform, such as running OS/2 on SETI@Home, and it also allows for optimized applications.

What name would you like to give it?

How about 'most excellent'?

Batman?
4757) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows 8 (Message 1152875)
Posted 16 Sep 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I've got it going on 5530010 without to much of an issue. I'll let it bake over the weekend to see how that goes. Maybe Monday I'll get the GPU working correctly. At the moment Lunatics_x38g_win32_cuda32.exe maxes out a CPU and keep going. I have seen that a few times in Windows 7, but normally when I change to app to low priority it fixes it. On the plus side Fred reschedule tool works fine. As I moved all of the work on the GPU back to the CPU.
4758) Message boards : Number crunching : Shorties estimate up from three minutes to six hours after today's outage! (Message 1152828)
Posted 16 Sep 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

Maybe that is what the Top GPU models list is going to help them with.

Fat chance, that.
The #6 rig on the project, my Frozen 920, has 2 GTX295s.
And that GPU isn't even on the silly list.

IIRC from the discussion about it earlier it only uses data from the stock app(s) & your machine is #5 now anyway.
4759) Message boards : Number crunching : Shorties estimate up from three minutes to six hours after today's outage! (Message 1152817)
Posted 16 Sep 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Question. Probably a silly one, but, why is an approximate WU completion time needed?

If the benchmarks were accurate.
If the estimated ops for each BOINC task was known.
Then the estimated completion time could be calculated fairly accurately.

But they are not so they use averages of every task that validates, which as we know is a flawed, because it includes premature exits. That causes the DCF to fluctuate wildly, because wrongly, there is only one DCF per project and not one per application. But that assumes the DCF needs to be there at all, which it probably isn't, because the estimates are now server side calculations.

Scores out of 10 for;
Design............ _______
Implementation....._______
Testing............_______
Fixing bugs........_______

(negative scores will not be rejected)


Could they not get a pretty close estimate based on type of GPU and CPU and then err on the side of caution ?

That would ( it seems ) give us a pretty regular amount of work in our cache...
Maybe not as much as some want each time , but enough to at least keep the system stable. ???

Maybe that is what the Top GPU models list is going to help them with.
4760) Message boards : Number crunching : Upload server down? (Message 1152813)
Posted 16 Sep 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Right now I have the opposite problem, I have plenty of CPU work, but that seems to only be what I can get.

My DCF is 0.2806 and 3 minute CUDA tasks still say they will take over an hour.

I gave up on letting BOINC handle the CPU & GPU scheduling itself. So I just download CPU tasks and shove them over to the GPU as needed. Before the server side change to prevent sending vlars to the GPU that solved the issue for me. Also it prevents the issue when a GPU requests work and vlars are sent with a resend aborting/failing them.
This setup might only be feasible with the slower 8500 GPU I have.
4761) Message boards : Number crunching : Error while computing (Message 1152791)
Posted 16 Sep 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I was watching my Computer crunch and My Screen went Black for a few seconds.

Seems like a driver crash.

When It recovered , The tasks showed 3 WU's quit and said "error while computing"

I checked My Tasks Button on Project page and , It is like they aborted , in the error tab of the tasks page...

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/result.php?resultid=2069310449
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/result.php?resultid=2069286738
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/result.php?resultid=2068987104

What might have caused this to happen ?

Video Drivers have been working fine for a while now...

any suggestions ?

You may want to stop and restart BOINC after this occurs or reboot.

Why the driver crashed,if that is what happened, is the real question.



OK... I will suspend , disconnect , stop and re-boot the computer...

I hope this will help... :-(

Restart BOINC = 1) Close application. 2) Open application.
4762) Message boards : Number crunching : Error while computing (Message 1152780)
Posted 16 Sep 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I was watching my Computer crunch and My Screen went Black for a few seconds.

Seems like a driver crash.

When It recovered , The tasks showed 3 WU's quit and said "error while computing"

I checked My Tasks Button on Project page and , It is like they aborted , in the error tab of the tasks page...

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/result.php?resultid=2069310449
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/result.php?resultid=2069286738
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/result.php?resultid=2068987104

What might have caused this to happen ?

Video Drivers have been working fine for a while now...

any suggestions ?

You may want to stop and restart BOINC after this occurs or reboot.

Why the driver crashed,if that is what happened, is the real question.
4763) Message boards : Number crunching : Shorties estimate up from three minutes to six hours after today's outage! (Message 1152766)
Posted 16 Sep 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The conditions you describe, regarding 'early exit', are exactly what happened with my ATI GPU WUs, last month....approximately half of the first ten WUs exited early (overflow results). Hence, these error values were, as I later suspected, being regarded as a very rapid 'full time completion', with the end result being that my GPU MB APR is in the order of almost 1400! Subsequent completion times for down-loaded WUs for the GPU (according to BOINC) were roughly as follows.... 2 mins for a 'shortie' and 6 mins for a 'normal' WU! Thats pretty impressive for any GPU, let alone a two-year-old ATI 4890; of course, any subsequent GPU WUs that I got, 'errored out' (-177). I then did a detatch and did a re-install of Lunatics 0.38, but without the MB app. It has only been in the last two or three days that I've run GPU WUs again, as I'd spotted the rather inflated timings on new CPU WUs - there was some chance to balance things, without resorting to 'rescheduling' and I've completed several WUs without error. For me, this may work out, but I won't be holding my breath for too long!

Question. Probably a silly one, but, why is an approximate WU completion time needed?

To maintain a queue of work. If there was no estimated there would be no way determine how much work to ask for or how much to keep on to keep N days worth of work. My slowest machine has an estimated time of 72 hours. Which is about 3 days. So it keep 3-4 tasks on hand at a time for a 10 day queue.
4764) Message boards : Number crunching : Upload server down? (Message 1152746)
Posted 16 Sep 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
May I ask why it is limited to 100? Why not put 10,000 out there at a time, so people who want work can always get it (assuming bandwidth allows it)?

We are already more than maxed out on bandwidth. If anything the feeder could be reduced or change to filling less than the 1 minute it does now.


Wouldn't more tasks in the queue (even if bandwidth was maxed out) just mean that they would be available for scheduling and let "Project Backoff" do its thing?

With about 200,000 active hosts it is either a case of hammering the feeder or the download servers. With more tasks in the feeder it would probably increase the DB server load with all the extra queries. With the current setting the feeder just replies with "no tasks" & probably doesn't have to do anything else.

I don't know the complete internal workings so it might not be as simple as I'm thinking. Actually knowing what I do I bet it is a lot more convoluted than that.
4765) Message boards : Number crunching : Upload server down? (Message 1152728)
Posted 16 Sep 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
May I ask why it is limited to 100? Why not put 10,000 out there at a time, so people who want work can always get it (assuming bandwidth allows it)?

We are already more than maxed out on bandwidth. If anything the feeder could be reduced or change to filling less than the 1 minute it does now.
4766) Message boards : Number crunching : Droids and HoneyCombs (Message 1152608)
Posted 15 Sep 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Shame because the potential for deploying processing ability on the massive number of mobile devices out there would be fantastic. It almost generates worm-like inspiration (but for a good cause). I know it's slow but to aid e.g battery what about 50% CPU utilisation?

I think the best option would be running while plugged in and charging. However I don't know how much power these devices can really consume these days. With most devices charging over USB. Most USB chargers are only 1A. So if they run more than 5w full tilt the device would never actually charge, or could the power draw could be large enough it wouldn't charge quickly enough.
4767) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (54) Server problems? (Message 1152561)
Posted 15 Sep 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

Has anyone noticed the number of Results returned per hour figures? It's been around 65,000 for some time, now it's up around almost 100,000.
That's a hell of a lot more than the usual 50,000 or so.

The graph shows the inbound line/data is more than it normally is as well. Must be all of those shorties.
4768) Message boards : Number crunching : How to bind BOINC to 1 address w/ multi NICs (Message 1152541)
Posted 15 Sep 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Can you set up virtual machines on this server?
I believe you can set up a VirtualBox VM to access only one NIC, run BOINC inside a VM.

I am running a few VMs on that box already, but running BOINC on the host OS. So it can have full access to all the hardware.
4769) Message boards : Number crunching : I have one invalid WU ... Help ? (Message 1152503)
Posted 15 Sep 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/result.php?resultid=2067767776

This is my first invalid that I have seen...
Anybody tell me what went wrong ?

If you click on the workunit information you might be able to figure it out. :)


I did that , and all I understood was that I was the only one that was able to complete it...

out of 7 different computers ... Only mine shows completed???

WHY would mine be the only one ?

Does that mean that my computer is really messed up , and couldn't catch the errors ?

concerned cruncher...

Two of them from MAC with the 6.04 app. Which didn't work on Intel Macs. All of the GPUs exited with -12. It just happens you are the only one that ran it correctly. I don't know if they manually look over the tasks that are flagged "errors Too many errors (may have bug)" or not to send them out again, but in this case it looks like that one could be.
4770) Message boards : Number crunching : I have one invalid WU ... Help ? (Message 1152495)
Posted 15 Sep 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/result.php?resultid=2067767776

This is my first invalid that I have seen...
Anybody tell me what went wrong ?

If you click on the workunit information you might be able to figure it out. :)
4771) Message boards : Number crunching : How to bind BOINC to 1 address w/ multi NICs (Message 1152472)
Posted 15 Sep 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I am trying to figure out of there is a way to bind the machine address BOINC uses when it launches in a machine with multiple NICs.
The new server I recently setup has 12 NICs. For routing different isolated networks and such in my test lab. When I look at the address on the details page I see "IP address 192.168.8.10 (same the last 317 times)". However I would like it to be 192.168.0.10 instead. As that is the primary network where I monitor most of my machines.
4772) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows 8 (Message 1152308)
Posted 15 Sep 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I don't have access to Win8 via my Technet Pro :(

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/apps/br229516
4773) Message boards : Number crunching : BOINC 6.10.60(64bit) doesn't respond to web-- and local-settings, could it be ..... (Message 1152272)
Posted 15 Sep 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Which setting are not responding for you?
4774) Message boards : Number crunching : Shorties estimate up from three minutes to six hours after today's outage! (Message 1152262)
Posted 14 Sep 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Cache?

My AP jumped from ~17 hours to almost 9 days. That means where I used to have ~22 to 24 tasks I will now have 1 or 2.

Not very promising.


When did you guys down these AP tasks? The ones I got before 14:00 UTC had my normal estimates.
4775) Message boards : Number crunching : Gripes and Kudos (Message 1152097)
Posted 14 Sep 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Gripes: They don't point the telescope at potential solar systems or stars where there are earth-like planets.

Kudos: We have such dedicated SETI volunteers, on both side of the network.

In line with this.

Gripe: They don't have control of the telescope since they are piggybacking on someone elses time.

Kudos: We get to look for signals in places they might not otherwise get looked at.
4776) Message boards : Number crunching : Shorties estimate up from three minutes to six hours after today's outage! (Message 1152095)
Posted 14 Sep 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
In switching a machines from a x64 OS to a x86 OS this morning. It would seem I left the <platform> tags out of the app_info.xml so it dumped all of the work. It is getting it all agian as resends. Only the MB work has extreamly large estimated run times. The AP tasks are estimated at 16 hrs which seems to be in line with the normal run time for the machine.

On the plus side the downloads are finished very quickly instead of sticking liek they have been recently. This will probably help everyone finish up their pending downloads and let the d/l servers rest a bit.
4777) Message boards : Number crunching : Upload server down? (Message 1152092)
Posted 14 Sep 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Guys,

I too have upload issues and can see the upload server is offline at the moment. What I have though is a lot of work which has been uploaded and still requiring validation and credit. Will this be a related issue?

Ricky

Yes your pending tasks are not a problem of any kind. It is how the system works & they wil lbe pending until your wingmen and upload and report their work. So in a manner of speaking somewhat related, but when things are working normally you will have some/many tasks in the "pending" state.
4778) Message boards : Number crunching : Upload server down? (Message 1151984)
Posted 14 Sep 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I am unable to upload, is anyone else having this issue?

With the upload server disabled everyone is.
4779) Message boards : Number crunching : Shorties estimate up from three minutes to six hours after today's outage! (Message 1151927)
Posted 14 Sep 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I just got a batch of shorties, i.e. work units with a two week time limit. Such units normally finish in three minutes on cuda.

Only the ones I got just after today's outage are estimated to take 05:59:09.

Naturally Boinc has abruptly stopped requesting new work. Perhaps this is a trick to temporarily lower the load on the download pipe? I fear the units will run in three minutes as before, and that only the estimate is wrong.

That probably indicates that the server software has been rebuilt with changeset [trac]changeset:24128[/trac]. If so, each 3 minute run will reduce the estimates by 1% as Duration Correction Factor (DCF) gradually reduces until the estimates get below 30 minutes, then it will adapt somewhat faster. CPU work will also be overestimated until DCF gets into a lower range, after that CPU work will tend to fight against the adaptation for GPU work.

The purpose of the change is admirable, it's implementation unrealistic.
                                                                  Joe

I guess a side effect of this will help stabilize the huge payouts in the new credit system from machines that completed a lot of shorties and then did some large complex jobs right after.
4780) Message boards : Number crunching : PWD rejected on my I7-2600, other hosts are OK??? (Message 1151629)
Posted 13 Sep 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I see that sometimes when I am switching between hosts, and for me it isn't a mistyped password. As I don't type the password. I just type 1 char into the machine name box and then delete it so the password from the gui_rpc_auth.cfg fills it in.
I just smack it and do it again.
4781) Message boards : Number crunching : No progress using stock app (batch 25jn11ab) (Message 1151480)
Posted 12 Sep 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I think it's related to the angle range or at least the batch number. I have tasks from the 25jn11ab that are stuck. However, tasks from the 14jl11ab are at 20% done already, so those are working fine.

It looks like both of those are VLAR's from the same data file/tape. From what I remember when I would get a sticker it was just me & the wingmen for the task would complete it just fine. So it is a waiting game to see if the others finish it w/o problems.

I would also get tasks stuck at a given %, like 40% or so, not just 0%. Since I switched to the opt apps I don't think I've seen that occur.
4782) Message boards : Number crunching : No progress using stock app (batch 25jn11ab) (Message 1151475)
Posted 12 Sep 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I would see that sometimes when I was using the stock app. Since I wouldn't check me machines very often I would normally find a task stuck with 100 hrs and 0%. Sometimes rebooting would fix things. If that didn't fix it then I would dump the tasks.
4783) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (53) Server problems? (Message 1151471)
Posted 12 Sep 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I just downloaded 59 astropulse WU's and one was set for my work computer's ATI card, so I know that ATI GPU's can process astropulse WUs. I don't think there is a client for running astropulse on Nvidia GPUs yet, but I could be wrong about that.

Public beta for nVidia AstroPulse, rev 521


Ah, beta. I usually wait for the gamma version. :)

I haven't really followed the Nvidia AP app. There could be a fully released version now.
4784) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (53) Server problems? (Message 1151469)
Posted 12 Sep 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Tasks are never specific to any processor type. You can use Fred's reschedule tool 2.6+ to move AP work form CPU to GPU.



OK... Remember that I am a local "IDIOT" when it comes to this stuff...

How , when , where, ETC. is necessary , for me to Leatn the basics... LOL

I often have errors with the ID 10 T myself.
The concept CPU work and GPU I think gets put into peoples heads from the way BOINC presents the information to the users. In some projects there could be separate work for each kind of processor, but not here. (at the moment)
4785) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (53) Server problems? (Message 1151466)
Posted 12 Sep 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I just downloaded 59 astropulse WU's and one was set for my work computer's ATI card, so I know that ATI GPU's can process astropulse WUs. I don't think there is a client for running astropulse on Nvidia GPUs yet, but I could be wrong about that.

Public beta for nVidia AstroPulse, rev 521
4786) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (53) Server problems? (Message 1151464)
Posted 12 Sep 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have a question that I would like some help with.

AP 5.05 WU's , are they Only CPU or can they be run on NV 460SE Gpu's with the correct apps ?

I just finished downloading 24 of those Huge 15 hr each WU's... ( on CPU at Least )

I have nothing for GPU to Crunch at all...

If these could be ran on GPU instead of CPU , we could get a lot more of these out of the way and maybe help stabilize the download problem...

If we can't... then Oh Well... Happy crunching !

Tasks are never specific to any processor type. You can use Fred's reschedule tool 2.6+ to move AP work from CPU to GPU.
4787) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (53) Server problems? (Message 1151459)
Posted 12 Sep 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Well, I've just tried forcing the issue here. Got a few spits and spats on GPU-only boxen, but on a big CPU machine:

12/09/2011 11:19:45 | SETI@home | [work_fetch] request: CPU (202220.49 sec, 1.96 inst) NVIDIA GPU (0.00 sec, 0.00 inst)
12/09/2011 11:19:45 | SETI@home | Sending scheduler request: To fetch work.
12/09/2011 11:19:45 | SETI@home | Requesting new tasks for CPU
12/09/2011 11:19:55 | SETI@home | Scheduler request completed: got 17 new tasks

- every single one of them VLARs from 25jn11ab.

I think that until the CPU and ATI users can shift a few of those, the NV requests won't find much of interest in the 'current Feeder 100'.

Edit - later, from another machine:

12/09/2011 11:54:29 | SETI@home | Sending scheduler request: To fetch work.
12/09/2011 11:54:29 | SETI@home | Requesting new tasks for NVIDIA GPU
12/09/2011 11:54:29 | SETI@home | [sched_op] CPU work request: 0.00 seconds; 0.00 CPUs
12/09/2011 11:54:29 | SETI@home | [sched_op] NVIDIA GPU work request: 171918.11 seconds; 0.00 GPUs
12/09/2011 11:54:46 | SETI@home | Scheduler request completed: got 27 new tasks
12/09/2011 11:54:46 | SETI@home | [sched_op] estimated total NVIDIA GPU task duration: 6819 seconds

Shorties. Doesn't take many like that to drain the feeder.

It doesn't take to much to empty the feeder at all. I looked over the logs on my new beast and the requests looks like this.
Scheduler request completed: got 41 new tasks
Scheduler request completed: got 22 new tasks
Scheduler request completed: got 48 new tasks
Scheduler request completed: got 38 new tasks
Scheduler request completed: got 4 new tasks
Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks
Scheduler request completed: got 37 new tasks
Scheduler request completed: got 35 new tasks
Scheduler request completed: got 13 new tasks
Scheduler request completed: got 58 new tasks
It is still working its way up to a 1 day cache at the moment.
4788) Message boards : Number crunching : CUDA performance Issue (Message 1151449)
Posted 12 Sep 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
IIRC SLI is known not to play nice with S@H.
4789) Message boards : Number crunching : Slow Crunching!!! Am I Doing Something Wrong? (Message 1151444)
Posted 12 Sep 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I'm not sure Beta is ever short of work like the main project is at the moment. I was running S@H and Beta on a 4 core machines and I wanted 25% to Beta. However sometimes enough work would build up in Beta that it wasn't able to download any S@H work. My resource share setting are S@H 100 Beta 4. Since it wasn't working like I wanted I decided to run two instances of BOINC on that machine. With one instances limited to 3 CPU's and the other limited to 1. That way if the main project runs out of work it won't fill the queue up with Beta work.

Edit: Also what I meant about patience is that that machine shows it was "created" Sept. 5th 2011. When you said "I should be pushing near 10x that" you should know that your RAC will climb over time and you won't see anything near your average for a few weeks. Some say a few months.


I understand. Thanks for the input. I will change the settings ASAP. Right now I'm at work, so I can change resources from here, but I can't change the overides currently in place over the preferences from the site. Thanks HAL9000.

I also cut back on my cache by alot. I didn't realize it was still set at 7 days from the initial start up of BETA, and S@H has been set at 7 days for years, because I was on the move a lot and didn't know when I would be able to reconnect to the internet. Changed cache to .5 days for Beta now, and changed S@H to 3 days. Thanks as well, Richard.

The cache settings are global to BOINC not per project. Whichever one you changed last will become the global setting.
To have a separate cache length for another projects you would have to setup one of the other venues with the settings you want. Then for that project set the machine to that venue.

Edit: If you need help doing that.
1) Goto your account > Preferences > When and how BOINC uses your computer Computing preferences
2) Select one of the other venues such as "Add separate preferences for work"
3) Configure the settings you want.
4) On the project you want to use those settings goto your list of computers.
5) Select Details for the machine.
6) Go down to "Location" and select the venue you setup in step 2.
4790) Message boards : Number crunching : Slow Crunching!!! Am I Doing Something Wrong? (Message 1151438)
Posted 12 Sep 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I'm not sure Beta is ever short of work like the main project is at the moment. I was running S@H and Beta on a 4 core machines and I wanted 25% to Beta. However sometimes enough work would build up in Beta that it wasn't able to download any S@H work. My resource share setting are S@H 100 Beta 4. Since it wasn't working like I wanted I decided to run two instances of BOINC on that machine. With one instances limited to 3 CPU's and the other limited to 1. That way if the main project runs out of work it won't fill the queue up with Beta work.

Edit: Also what I meant about patience is that that machine shows it was "created" Sept. 5th 2011. When you said "I should be pushing near 10x that" you should know that your RAC will climb over time and you won't see anything near your average for a few weeks. Some say a few months.
4791) Message boards : Number crunching : Slow Crunching!!! Am I Doing Something Wrong? (Message 1151431)
Posted 12 Sep 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Well looking at the numbers.
S@H: Number of tasks completed 5
S@H Beta: Number of tasks completed 167

It looks like you might need to install patience & probably set the resource share for Beta lower. As you have 12 tasks for S@H and 682 for Beta.
4792) Message boards : Number crunching : S@H Enhanced v6.04 (Message 1151155)
Posted 11 Sep 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I'm deprecating 6.04 until we've figured out what's wrong. We're back to 6.03, which may not work on newer Macs that have too many processor cores unless the use at most "N" processors is set to a low values.

Do you need hardware to test versions on? Unfortunately the newest Intel mac I have at work in my test lab is a core 2 duo. I could set machines up for beta Monday if needed.
4793) Message boards : Number crunching : New Boinc Version 6.12.34 for Windows 64-bit (8.55 MB) ? (Message 1151027)
Posted 11 Sep 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Any comments on this newer version , Do's and Dont's , Save data file ?

Get it or not ?

Read some of the posts on "Development BOINC 6.13.3" and just want to make sure before Upgrading Boinc to this 6.12.34 version...

I dunno I didn't see any changes between .33 and .34 to justify the time it takes me to update my 20 some machines. So I haven't played with with it yet, but I do have it downloaded.
4794) Message boards : Number crunching : S@H Enhanced v6.04 (Message 1151024)
Posted 11 Sep 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
That box (iBook G4) also completed this 0.74 AR Task http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/workunit.php?wuid=815237216 in about 5 minutes with a -9 result_overflow. We'll see if it validates.

It did validate. So my ancient iBook G4 is batting 1000 on the 6.04 MB ap. And ECTs on the rest of the queue look reasonable.

The Mac G4 (desktop) is about 30 minutes into this Task http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/workunit.php?wuid=814725863, no sign of problems so far.

What does seem clear is that newer versions of Mac OS-X (10.5/Darwin 9.xx and above) don't like this new 6.04 ap.

It looks like all of the hosts that are failing are Intel based instead of PPC. Maybe they forgot to make it a universal binary this time.

I believe OS-X 10.6 and above are Intel-only. 10.5 (Leopard) is the last to support G4 and G5 PPCs

You are spot on. A complete list looks something like this.
PPC 10.0 to 10.5
Intel x86 10.4, 10.5, & 10.6
Intel x64 10.6 & 10.7

10.4 & 10.5 will run on x64 hardware, but don't contain any x64 code apparently.

Apple had stated when they switched to Intel that they always had builds for Intel platforms of OS X, but I'm not sure what purpose they would serve to ever get them to play with. Unless you were going to make a hackintosh to play with.
4795) Message boards : Number crunching : S@H Enhanced v6.04 (Message 1151023)
Posted 11 Sep 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Same experience here. All the 6.04 tasks on my MacBook (Intel) have bombed out immediately with several iterations of the "exited with zero status but no 'finished' file" error. My G5 (PowerPC) seems perfectly happy and has so far returned two 6.04 results (one validated and the other pending) and has one ready to report and another in progress.

NG

So the next question is:

How difficult is it to make the Scheduler assign 6.03 to Intel Macs and 6.04 to PPCs?

Or would it be easier to cancel 6.04 entirely?

Looking at the Applications list it shows two lines for Mac stuff. Mac OS/X 10.3+ 6.04 & Mac OS X/Intel 6.04. So I am guessing they are aware of the type of machines connecting & would only have to regress the Intel 6.04 application if they are actually separate apps.
Also Beta shows 6.03 for both platforms. So this was probably a quick fix for something that should have been fine, but apparently one tiny thing did get overlooked.
4796) Message boards : Number crunching : S@H Enhanced v6.04 (Message 1150926)
Posted 10 Sep 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
That box (iBook G4) also completed this 0.74 AR Task http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/workunit.php?wuid=815237216 in about 5 minutes with a -9 result_overflow. We'll see if it validates.

It did validate. So my ancient iBook G4 is batting 1000 on the 6.04 MB ap. And ECTs on the rest of the queue look reasonable.

The Mac G4 (desktop) is about 30 minutes into this Task http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/workunit.php?wuid=814725863, no sign of problems so far.

What does seem clear is that newer versions of Mac OS-X (10.5/Darwin 9.xx and above) don't like this new 6.04 ap.

It looks like all of the hosts that are failing are Intel based instead of PPC. Maybe they forgot to make it a universal binary this time.
4797) Message boards : Number crunching : Droids and HoneyCombs (Message 1150891)
Posted 10 Sep 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I recently purchased a tablet PC, specificately, an Acer A500 Icona. The os for this critter is the Droid HoneyComb 3.1.

Granted such devices tend to not be amazingly fast, it does have a 1ghz dual core CPU (Nvidia Tegra) and a GeForce GPU.

I was wondering if anybody has actually considered porting the Boinc and Seti clients to this type of platform?

Yes someone has.
4798) Message boards : Number crunching : New Build Coming (Message 1150706)
Posted 10 Sep 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
If the screen keeps doing that it sounds like a thermal issue with the video card. Is it passively cooled? I was having a few issues with my 8500 GT until I screwed a fan to it.
4799) Message boards : Number crunching : Gpu and CPU (Message 1150700)
Posted 10 Sep 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
How do I setup to run Gpu and CPU work at the same time?

Check the boxes for both CPU and GPU applications when running the lunatics installer?
If the GPU tasks are "waiting to run" you may want to adjust the settings for "Suspend GPU work while computer is in use?" or "'In use' means mouse/keyboard activity in last xx min"
EDIT: I see 5531969 has completed GPU & CPU tasks with the opt app. So I am guessing the GPU tasks are just "waiting to run" then?
4800) Message boards : Number crunching : S@H Enhanced v6.04 (Message 1150699)
Posted 10 Sep 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
If the new app is buggy I might have to fire up the Mac's at work to help out. Currently I just have these machines in the lab:
Dual G5 Power Mac, with MAC OS 10.3, 10.4, or 10.5
Core Duo iMac, with MAC OS 10.4, 10.5, or 10.6(x86 only)
Core 2 Duo iMac, with MAC OS 10.6 or 10.7
I can run any of those configurations if need be. I don't normally run BOINC on those systems anymore since it was a bit of a hassle with how we load OS's for test.
4801) Message boards : Number crunching : Lunatics Installer Question (Message 1150662)
Posted 10 Sep 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The confusion over SSE2 & SSE3 arose because Boinc at start up claims that the processor in question only supports thru SSE2. CPUZ says it is SSE3 capable. I'll just keep running it as is unless a problem develops.

Thanks Again


Only as sidenote: At Boinc-Startup, SSE3 is called PNI-> Prescott New Instructions.

Ah I see it in there "sse sse2 ss htt tm pni ssse3 cx16 sse4_1 sse4_2". Those guys... SO helpful sometimes.


The whole world (even Intel's own Processor ID Utility) calls it SSE3.

What was Dave smoking when he decided to call it PNI?

It seems the *nix systems call it PNI as well. At least from what I read. The document I was reading could have been out of date.
4802) Message boards : Number crunching : S@H Enhanced v6.04 (Message 1150661)
Posted 10 Sep 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
S@h v6.04 is little bit buggy?

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/show_host_detail.php?hostid=4421127
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/show_host_detail.php?hostid=4614705
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/show_host_detail.php?hostid=4711242
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/show_host_detail.php?hostid=5648196
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/show_host_detail.php?hostid=6135473

Or what is the problem here?


[EDIT: The app overview say this new 6.04 app is for OS 10.3+, why get lower OSs this new app? They should get 6.03?
Why make the app with OS 10.5 and 11.1 errors?]


I'm not sure of the issue with the "failed: errno=88". However the oldest OS I see there is Darwin 9.8 which is MAC OS 10.5.8
Darwin 9.x = 10.5.x Leopard
Darwin 10.x = 10.6.x Snow Leopard
Darwin 11.x = 10.7.x Lion

It is sort of like converting 12 hr time and 24 hr time. Darwin version -4 = MAC OS version.
4803) Message boards : Number crunching : New Build Coming (Message 1150605)
Posted 9 Sep 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
You have remote control to the machine in question?

AFAIK & IIRC, remote control disturb GPU crunching (I don't mean over home LAN network over BOINC).

IIRC maybe only with one tool you can do remote control then - if ever.


- Best regards! - Sutaru Tsureku, team seti.international founder. - Optimize your PC for higher RAC. - SETI@home needs your help. -

I think the issue is if you use the build in terminal server remote connection stuff?
I use VNC for remote access on my machines without any GPU issues.
4804) Message boards : Number crunching : A Vote For The Right To Choose Our Own Wingmen??? (Message 1150604)
Posted 9 Sep 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
0zzF4|\| wrote:
So ultimately what this really boils down to is that you want faster computers to be the partners for faster computers simply so you can get your credit faster.


Why should I be in favor of a system that caters to any group based upon their insistence on getting credit faster?


Unless I can hear sound, scientific reasons (and please, don't mention less workunits clogging up the database as a scientific reason), I can so no reason to support such a cause.

The motivations are all wrong, IMO.

Psychology and Sociology are also sciences, and although I partially agree with your last statement I see no reason to summarily dismiss any idea for making participants happier. Might happier participants donate enough to keep the project alive?

As others have noted, the potential for cheating means the idea as stated will absolutely not be considered by the BOINC developers.

There have been a couple of times when the idea of pairing hosts with similar turnaround time has been discussed, and as long as the classification were done so each class had many thousands of members, that approach would not encourage attempts to cheat. The simplest even division is 2 classes, hosts with shorter/longer turnaround time than the "Result turnaround time (last hour average)" shown on the Server Status page.

The implementation of that idea could probably be done with the Homogeneous Redundancy framework, but would require a new type, achieved by "You can modify the pre-defined HR types, or add your own, by editing the file sched/hr.cpp". It would impose an additional burden on both the Scheduler processes and the BOINC database, though.
                                                                 Joe

So something sort of like starting with "Class 1" for the slowest machines. Then machines could be paired with either the same class, +/- 1 , or +/- 2. New classes could be added as newer hardware comes out over time.
Then I wonder would the whole machines be assigned a class or would each kind of hardware, like the CPU & GPU, get their own class.
4805) Message boards : Number crunching : New Build Coming (Message 1150548)
Posted 9 Sep 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Ok I unchecked the following option (never saw it before):

Suspend GPU work while computer is in use?

That could have been it. I have it disabled on all of my machines except my HTPC. Where I found I did need to suspend the GPU while watching some content. So I just have it set for a 70 minute delay.


On my HTPC, I use the <exclusive_gpu_application>PowerDVD.exe</exclusive_gpu_application> to avoid using the GPU while watching movies.

I sometimes fall asleep watching movies late at night. My TV and receiver are on 2 hour auto shutoff delays. Unless I had something to close vlc after a specific period of time nothing would resume. I could probably come up with something easily, but this is working for now.
4806) Message boards : Number crunching : New Build Coming (Message 1150541)
Posted 9 Sep 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Ok I unchecked the following option (never saw it before):

Suspend GPU work while computer is in use?

That could have been it. I have it disabled on all of my machines except my HTPC. Where I found I did need to suspend the GPU while watching some content. So I just have it set for a 70 minute delay.
4807) Message boards : Number crunching : Lunatics Installer Question (Message 1150536)
Posted 9 Sep 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The confusion over SSE2 & SSE3 arose because Boinc at start up claims that the processor in question only supports thru SSE2. CPUZ says it is SSE3 capable. I'll just keep running it as is unless a problem develops.

Thanks Again


Only as sidenote: At Boinc-Startup, SSE3 is called PNI-> Prescott New Instructions.

Ah I see it in there "sse sse2 ss htt tm pni ssse3 cx16 sse4_1 sse4_2". Those guys... SO helpful sometimes.
4808) Message boards : Number crunching : New Build Coming (Message 1150530)
Posted 9 Sep 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Ok given I am not at home to look at the screen, but my WU report says it is doing GPU units after all. Just not sure why it wasn't running right after install.

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/workunit.php?wuid=814584867

Were the tasks downloading still? I do that sometimes. "Why are you not running! Oh right... downloading."


No there were no seti downloads running since about 20 minutes before I left my house.

Hmmm... The don't do while GPU in use for n minutes setting maybe?
4809) Message boards : Number crunching : New Build Coming (Message 1150526)
Posted 9 Sep 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Ok given I am not at home to look at the screen, but my WU report says it is doing GPU units after all. Just not sure why it wasn't running right after install.

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/workunit.php?wuid=814584867

Were the tasks downloading still? I do that sometimes. "Why are you not running! Oh right... downloading."
4810) Message boards : Number crunching : Lunatics Installer Question (Message 1150506)
Posted 9 Sep 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The confusion over SSE2 & SSE3 arose because Boinc at start up claims that the processor in question only supports thru SSE2. CPUZ says it is SSE3 capable. I'll just keep running it as is unless a problem develops.

Thanks Again

The "Processor features:" from BOINC should be ignored in favor of something more accurate like CPUz. If your CPU couldn't do SSE3 all of your CPU tasks could be ending in computation errors.
4811) Message boards : Number crunching : Lunatics Installer Question (Message 1150489)
Posted 9 Sep 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
In either x64 version installer Under Multibeam (CPU.....) one of the check boxes is "SSE3 (x64, generic)". There is no SSE2 option in the x64 installers only in the 32 bit version. I'm running the 64 bit version of Seti. I'll try the 32 bit optimized version of Lunatic with the Seti x64.

Thanks

You are correct there is no SSE2 x64 application. Is there some reason you only want to use SSE2? Looking again at the installer GUI I see what you mean by the SSE3 x64 Generic application. That just means it isn't specifically optimized for Intel or AMD. Unlike the x86 SSE3 apps that are specific for Intel or AMD.
My preferences for applications on that system would be:
1) SSE3 (x64 Generic) [From Lunatics_Win64_v0.38_setup.exe]
2) SSE3 (Intel)       [From Lunatics_Win32_v0.38_setup.exe]
3) SSE2               [From Lunatics_Win32_v0.38_setup.exe]

Since you are already using the SSE3 x64 app I don't see why you would want to change it.
4812) Message boards : Number crunching : New Build Coming (Message 1150484)
Posted 9 Sep 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I am using that NVIDIA driver on my 8500GT in the same OS w/o issues. However I do not running Einstein. Are you only using the GPU on there or S@H as well?
4813) Message boards : Number crunching : A Vote For The Right To Choose Our Own Wingmen??? (Message 1150450)
Posted 9 Sep 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Also there are some projects that have a minimum quorum of 1. That might be more what you are looking for? Prime Grid is the only one that I have experience with that does that.
4814) Message boards : Number crunching : A Vote For The Right To Choose Our Own Wingmen??? (Message 1150441)
Posted 9 Sep 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Normally the only time I have to wait more then a few weeks for something to validate is due to either someones machine dying or some kind of ghosted task.

At the moment I have about 1500 pending tasks. Over 90% of them are less than 2 weeks old. The oldest task I have at the moment that is waiting for a wingman is from July 25th & I see that the last time they contacted the server is the 26th. That task times out for them tomorrow. So will probably get cleared out pretty soon.

Being able to pick your wingman will not prevent having to wait for tasks to time out for reasons beyond anyone's control.

I doubt the BOINC devs would add this to their "to do" as it does not serve any purpose other then to appease a select few.
4815) Message boards : Number crunching : Stuck WU, for over an year (Message 1150430)
Posted 9 Sep 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I think there might be several tasks from that time last year stuck in an odd state.
I've got one that was validated Nov 30th that is also "stuck".
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/workunit.php?wuid=631642246
Perhaps there is a need for a process to check for such tasks. I wonder which step they are stuck at.
4816) Message boards : Number crunching : Lunatics Installer Question (Message 1150428)
Posted 9 Sep 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
For a Win XP x64 system. v0.37 & v.38 have a check box for the cpu ss level. the processor in the system is a P4 3.8GHZ HT with SS2 support. The Lunitic x64 installer starts with SS3. Can I use the x64 SS3 Generic or must I install the x32 version and use the SS2 option? The x64 SS3 Generic seems to work.
The cuda card is a GTX 550Ti and I will be moving up to a GTX 560 in a few days

I'm not sure what the x63 SSE Generic app is. If your CPU supports SSE3 then you probably want to use that, or the SSSE3 app if you support that. You can use the x86 or x64 application in a x64 OS. I haven't seen any advantage of one over the other on my systems.
If you use CPUz it will tell you exactly what your CPU supports.
4817) Message boards : Number crunching : Non Seti - WIndows 2003 - Hashing Speed - Xeon 2.4 (Core Based) (Message 1150280)
Posted 9 Sep 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I presume it is a version of cpio?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_file_verification_software
4818) Message boards : Number crunching : Non Seti - WIndows 2003 - Hashing Speed - Xeon 2.4 (Core Based) (Message 1150246)
Posted 8 Sep 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thanks for the info. on the command fciv what is the 1 for? I dont see that documented anywhere....

Robert

The 1 is the typo command.
4819) Message boards : Number crunching : Non Seti - WIndows 2003 - Hashing Speed - Xeon 2.4 (Core Based) (Message 1150230)
Posted 8 Sep 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The current time is: 17:45:00.41
fciv.exe -add C: -r 1 > poop.txt
129,855 files later.
The current time is: 17:59:59.90

Fciv only ran between 6% & 30% on my C2D E8400. I left S@H running as well.
My disk i/o is the bottle neck in my case. As the system I ran it on only has 3 1TB WD SATA 3gb/s green drives in RAID 5. The disk i/o was all over the place from 1MB/s to 257MB/s.

Depending on your controller interface I would expect it to be much faster.
4820) Message boards : Number crunching : Non Seti - WIndows 2003 - Hashing Speed - Xeon 2.4 (Core Based) (Message 1150195)
Posted 8 Sep 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Also the number of files will effect how long it takes. For instance. If you have 50GB of 1KB files it will take much longer then 10 5GB files.
4821) Message boards : Number crunching : External GPUs realisticly coming soonish, it would seem. (Message 1150189)
Posted 8 Sep 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Yeow! That's pretty awesome. I imagine the cost is to! :(

Awesome != cheap.
4822) Message boards : Number crunching : Not complaining but........... (Message 1150144)
Posted 8 Sep 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Well....glory be!

I guess I drew a good wingy on this one.
1,647.03

And this one...
1,498.54

I'll see your task 808370172 and raise you task 809970830 :)
4823) Message boards : Number crunching : Negative credit??? (Message 1150067)
Posted 8 Sep 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
It was thought it was fixed a while back from the discussion in another thread. http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=64611&nowrap=true#1134740
4824) Message boards : Number crunching : External GPUs realisticly coming soonish, it would seem. (Message 1150044)
Posted 8 Sep 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Magma ExpressBox 3T at Engadget.
With only a 220w power supply in that box it won't run the biggest baddest video cards. Future iterations will probably improve upon this and hopefully will get 2or more PCIe x16 slots. Possibly requiring more than 1 thunderbolt link, but this should make adding cards easier in the future without requiring these 1500w power supplies.
4825) Message boards : Number crunching : error 417 (Message 1149737)
Posted 7 Sep 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have no idea what error 417 is, but there is no work at the moment.
4826) Message boards : Number crunching : Gripes and Kudos (Message 1149709)
Posted 7 Sep 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Kudo: I just got a new toy to play with.
Gripe: There be to work. arrrrg
Kudo2: They seem to be in the lab playing with things to hopefully make everything work better.
4827) Message boards : Number crunching : Credit Per Day vs. Recent Average Crdeit (Message 1149690)
Posted 7 Sep 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The internet side, yes the I/O on the FSB might be interesting, but not info I need right now.

nick

As the credit per task can vary quite a lot there isn't really a way to covert RAC to the amount of data you are using per day. The best you can do is use an average number of some kind.
AP tasks are 8MB and MB tasks are 366KB. If you used something to track the number of each task per day you could find pretty accurately how much data you are transferring.
If your home internet had a monthly data cap, like my comcast connection with 250GB/MB, S@H doesn't take much of a bite out of that.
4828) Message boards : Number crunching : Credit Per Day vs. Recent Average Crdeit (Message 1149687)
Posted 7 Sep 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
true, but using the graphs in bpinc is rather hard, as they dont tell you the actual numbers.

I also wonder about bandwidth vs. RAC...not starting a new thread, but anyone have any ideas?

nick

Do you mean i/o bandwidth on a machine or are you trying to work out how much data to the internet each machine is using?
4829) Message boards : Number crunching : BOINC has assigned duplicate Computer ID? (Message 1149591)
Posted 7 Sep 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have an active machine ID: 6150076 that has had a duplicate ID assigned to it...

Strangely, I've just had that happen to one of my machines this evening despite it having been running with the same projects for many months now...

Rather curious...


The Boinc system should settle on the oldest machine ID for whatever projects that machine joins. Hence, you should get the ID settling on whatever ID was first assigned...

Happy crunchin',
Martin

With my system the CPID wasn't changing, but I was getting new S@H machine ID's. Each project will generate its own ID for the machine, but they should all be tied to the same CPID.
4830) Message boards : Number crunching : Credit Per Day vs. Recent Average Crdeit (Message 1149590)
Posted 7 Sep 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
You could look at one of the stat sites like this
4831) Message boards : Number crunching : BOINC has assigned duplicate Computer ID? (Message 1149490)
Posted 6 Sep 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I had that problem back in March with one machine. It did it several times within 1 day. Then stopped going it. You will probably see messages like
19-Mar-2011 11:22:24 [SETI@home] Generated new computer cross-project ID: 108c07ee21c556766a547da596610153
19-Mar-2011 11:37:29 [SETI@home] Sending scheduler request: To fetch work.
19-Mar-2011 11:37:29 [SETI@home] Requesting new tasks
19-Mar-2011 11:37:34 [SETI@home] Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks
19-Mar-2011 11:37:34 [SETI@home] Message from server: Project has no tasks available
19-Mar-2011 11:37:34 [SETI@home] Generated new computer cross-project ID: 108c07ee21c556766a547da596610153

No one offered any suggestions or even commented on my query then. So I'm guessing you just wait for it to stop doing it and merge.

Also even though I merged the hosts I can still access the old host IDs. They show the machine info, but with a user of Anon. Like this one.
4832) Message boards : Number crunching : PCI (not express) CUDA card ? (Message 1148936)
Posted 4 Sep 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
please explain how even the manufacturer doesn't even recognize a PCI version of the 430

checked out newegg for PCI slot video cards. Hmmm the best they have is an Nvidia 9500.

you'll fare worse at Tigerdirect. So it seems that you've either purchased the only PCI Nvidia 430 that was ever made or you are mistaking a PCIe card for a PCI card.

Nvidia is more the designer than the manufacturer, they might design/make the chips, and then produce a reference design of a Card,
But it is the Card manufacturers that make the Cards, they may use the reference design, or they may redesign the card and totally change almost everything on it,
So if a Card manufacturer says they make a PCI card, then they do, wether you can get hold of one is another matter.

Claggy

I did just find a company that is importing them from the UK.
http://www.langtoninfo.com/showitem.aspx?isbn=4897022327118
4833) Message boards : Number crunching : Message from server: (Message 1148932)
Posted 4 Sep 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I get a simulator thing on my machines that only do MB. I get the "no astropulse app" message. It only happens to me when the bandwidth is maxed out, like it has been the past few days. I have been getting that since 6.6.xx. So nothing to do with your config or the client app. Just seems to happen when the servers get over run.
4834) Message boards : Number crunching : PCI (not express) CUDA card ? (Message 1148778)
Posted 4 Sep 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
please explain how even the manufacturer doesn't even recognize a PCI version of the 430

checked out newegg for PCI slot video cards. Hmmm the best they have is an Nvidia 9500.

you'll fare worse at Tigerdirect. So it seems that you've either purchased the only PCI Nvidia 430 that was ever made or you are mistaking a PCIe card for a PCI card.

Simple Nvidia does not make a PCI version of the 430 chip, only PCIe. These cards, as Thrawn pointed out, use bridge chips to allow the chips PCIe interface to connect to the PCI bus.
Much like the first PCIe cards were nothing more than the same old GPUs with AGP interfaces and bridge chips to allow then to connect to the PCIe interface.

Edit: You can also see Thrawn's post with a photo of the PCI card if you doubt it exists.
4835) Message boards : Number crunching : Super computer? (Message 1148765)
Posted 4 Sep 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I love my i7's and this one in Gentoo linux is working great but I don't quite think it is working this good.

ID: 5370335
Measured floating point speed 3888.48 million ops/sec
Measured integer speed 23449.04 million ops/sec

on 6.12.34 64 bit.

I dunno I think my Mobile C2D could take it. :)
Measured floating point speed	2000000 million ops/sec
       Measured integer speed	4000000 million ops/sec

The benchmark BOINC preforms is not for system performance, but a way for it to know how much work to request and such.

Back in February there was some question about the benchmarks and I preformed some tests between two versions with x86 and x64. The results showed the x86 benchmarks to have higher floating point numbers, and the x64 benchmarks to have higher integer numbers. Since then I haven't bothered to run the test on the newer versions of BOINC.
4836) Message boards : Number crunching : ATI GPU Computation Errors - Maximum elapsed time exceeded (Message 1148296)
Posted 2 Sep 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Having -177 errors isn't a problem on your machine per say. Read this post for a fix/work around.
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=65217&nowrap=true#1147469
4837) Message boards : Number crunching : Timed out - No response ? (Message 1148292)
Posted 2 Sep 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Would somebody tell me how all these timed out no response WU's Happened ?

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/results.php?userid=9490372

They came in on 2nd this month and timed out on 2nd this month ?

Only you can access your user task list.
If you were to post the machine task list http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/results.php?hostid=5953062 or one of the results in question http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/result.php?resultid=2056596499 it is a lot easier for us to find things out to help you.
If you look at the errors on that machine and then click on show names on the tasks header you will see .vlar on the end of all of those tasks that expired the same day.

This occurs when a VLAR is a resend and tries to go to an NVIDIA GPU. As VLAR tasks are not allowed to be sent to said GPUs they are set to timed out.

Edit: It is good to see so many people able to provide them with the answer. It is just funny we were all doing it at the same time. lol
4838) Message boards : Number crunching : i7 Hyperthreading + GPU + Most Efficient Seti Workload (Message 1148231)
Posted 2 Sep 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
In listed form this experiment easely can take longer.
Even if your own up-time steady, we can't say the same about project servers.
Moreover, there are task fluctuations and weird credit-awarding behavior per se.
In general, currently RAC gives _very_ rough estimation of host performance.
And you want to catch quite fine effects of hyperthreading influence.

That is, you can obtain better results if you will log all non-overflowed tasks, separate them by AR (for MB and by blanking % for AP), compute mean and standart deviation for each quite small AR bin and then compare these "performance vs AR" results through different host configs.

For good statistics it still can take few months but after you will be able to present much more confident results than RAC-based ones.

Do you use a tool to log results on machines in some way? Often I wish I had something so I could log the results over time and see how different configurations work out on different machines. I think it was SetiSpy that I used to use in the classic days that would do this for me. It would make a neat little graph of AR & processing time as well, but if I had something logging the data I could easily make excel or something generate a graph for me.
4839) Message boards : Number crunching : CPU Benchmarks Ran by Boinc ? (Message 1148225)
Posted 2 Sep 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I don't see why they want to run it every 5 days. It isn't like the hardware in my machine changes every 5 days. So I disable benchmarks after the first one.
4840) Message boards : Number crunching : Loongson-2f processor - MIPSEL RISC, developed in China (Message 1147986)
Posted 1 Sep 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Ok, the netbook has returned a valid result, at least! The performance is truly abysmal though, over 32 hours, but I expected as much..

[Link]

Looking at the result. 'WU true angle range is : 2.724493' So it was a shorty.
4841) Message boards : Number crunching : IS THERE A small BUG IN REQUESTING NEW WU's (Message 1147917)
Posted 1 Sep 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I agree with your last statement but it still remains that, no matter where the decision is made, the fact that on systems with multiple cpu's and one gpu, just because the gpu is the one processor with the highest performance does not necessarily make it more powerful than multiple cpu's.


I don't recall claiming that a single GPU is more powerful than multiple CPUs, which is why your post is leaving my scratching my head. I only asserted that the GPU was more efficient at processing tasks, from a FLOPs and performance per watt standpoint, than a 'typical' CPU.

I'm confused as to why my only point in this conversation is being tossed aside in favor of arguing a minute point I don't think makes much of a difference as to the point I was making, which was the SETI@Home staff is not purposefully making more GPU tasks available to inflate a list. The SETI@Home staff have little control over how many GPU vs. CPU tasks are downloaded for a particular machine.

I think most people think BOINC works like this.
Processing devices: 1 - GPU, 1 - 4 core CPU
In my mind it is more like this.
Processing devices: GPU 1, CPU 1, CPU 2, CPU 3, CPU 4
Which most often make the GPU the "best device".
That might not be correct, but my mind likes it that way.
4842) Message boards : Number crunching : Is it possible to move the deadline on a WU? (Message 1147900)
Posted 1 Sep 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
There sort of is. I have seen the deadline of a task change when it gets sent again as a resend, but I'm not 100% on that. Forcing a resend isn't good for the bandwidth.

Also you can turn a task in after the deadline and you most likely will get credit as long as you get it in before the 3rd person it was send to returns it. As most of my machines were unable to connect from 8-22 to 8-29 I had about 500 tasks that were past their due date. Turning them in on the 29th netted about 450 of them as valid. So worth the effort.
4843) Message boards : Number crunching : Which PCIe Card to use? (Message 1147792)
Posted 1 Sep 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have a feeling that he is seeing PCI slots and not PCIe slots.

I didn't even think about that, but it is true. It also opens up a few more options.
4844) Message boards : Number crunching : Project Backoff ? (Message 1147786)
Posted 1 Sep 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
This portion of the backoff is causing me a bit of bother...

The task back off: not a large issue, the times tend to be moderate, and
the machine will clean them out one by one later.

However the Project backoff mentioned.. Well this blocks all tasks regardless, and the times can be excessive (3-8 hours seem common).

What happens is, there seems to be about a 50/50 chance to get a good clean download going. If either download continues and finishes, it clears the project backoff. That part is not a problem. When both tasks fail(lets call it a 25% chance) the project backoff stays, and blocks my machines from trying again. This makes it impossible to maintain a working amount of work units, and requires babysitting in order to just fill up the computer enough to keep crunching.

Enough to reach the full requests, I am not in a hurry for, do not mind being backed off a bit, and that is part of life. But is there any way they could over-ride the project backoff if there are empty cores not crunching?

You don't really have to baby sit it. You could use boinccmd to have it preform your retry actions for you. Say with a conservative delay of once per hour.
4845) Message boards : Number crunching : Loongson-2f processor - MIPSEL RISC, developed in China (Message 1147783)
Posted 1 Sep 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I used the nightly source code snapshot from a few days ago, but it was the base code from [here], source from the 28th or 29th of August.

You think I should give the modified source a shot?

btw. I have the 1GHz version of Loongson-2f, and it's obiously damn slow, despite building with GCC + -march=loongson2f -mtune=loongson2f -O3. Having been able to actually talk to some of the architecture developers in Beijing in China was really something exciting and new for me though, so I am a bit fascinated with the Chinese processor right here, even though it's basically crap. ;)

Getting it all to work (not just SETI, but also the patched Kernel, Xorg Server etc.) involved a lot of anger and swearing, but it's kinda worth it. ;)

I'm not sure. I don't really know what the optimizations that have been done do in the code, or if it would even compile correctly for that platform.

It might not be the fastest CPU ever, but it is low power. So it may have a really good performance/watt.
4846) Message boards : Number crunching : Project Backoff ? (Message 1147780)
Posted 1 Sep 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
5 minutes is the minimum backoff for scheduler requests. That option cannot be changed.

All other backoffs, can be challenged by hitting retry. Just don't hit it too often.



Ok... If you have the WU's in your Transfer cache , and it goes to backoff , that isn't a scheduler request is it ?

Thats more so like hitting the update button.... Right ?

Transfers are not a scheduler request. You can click the retry button without waiting for 5 min. I sometimes see a bunch of downloads all at 80-90% and i click it to given them a push when there is an 8-10 hr project backoff.
4847) Message boards : Number crunching : Which PCIe Card to use? (Message 1147779)
Posted 1 Sep 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
PCIe slots generally come in x16 x4 and x1 connectors. Normally graphics cards come in x16 configuration. There are a few low end PCIe x1 cards you can buy. Generally their cost/performance ratio is low, and not all motherboards like a video cards in their x1 slots. However it can be done. Here is a small list from newegg.

Edit: I think the best card on that list for S@H is the ION, but I'm not 100% sure.
4848) Message boards : Number crunching : Gripes and Kudos (Message 1147694)
Posted 31 Aug 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
[Gripes] Everyone complains to much.
[Kudos]  Maybe they will do it here instead of making 27,394,698,234 new threads to do it.
4849) Message boards : Number crunching : Top GPU models (Message 1147692)
Posted 31 Aug 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
This should help answer those "best video card bang for the buck" questions.

I wonder how big of a mess it would be to do this for CPUs as well.
4850) Message boards : Number crunching : Loongson-2f processor - MIPSEL RISC, developed in China (Message 1147690)
Posted 31 Aug 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Did you build the S@H executable from the base S@H code or the optimized Lunatics code? It sounds like it was a lot of... lets go with "fun" getting it all working.

From a few things I read at linux-mips.org & wikipedia these seem like a good project bit of kit.
4851) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (53) Server problems? (Message 1147007)
Posted 29 Aug 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
After a week of not being able to connect unless I tethered my cell phone, I was able to snag 2 WU's from my work ISP. Not sure if home works yet, 9.5 hours from now I will know. The 2 I got are from 14ja11ae. :-)

If they did tinker/fix the router it figures they would wait until after I copied all of my work machines data to a flash drive & brought it home to upload.

On the plus side it looks like almost all of my expired tasks were returned soon enough to validate and get credit.
4852) Message boards : Number crunching : HE connection problems thread (Message 1146982)
Posted 29 Aug 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have been unable to upload results or download new work for over a week. Reading some of the posts here leaves me totally confused. Is SETI up for some people but down for others? Has management given any update on what's wrong and some sort of estimate on when things may get fixed? Is management communicating at all?

Can someone please summarize what, if anything, is known?

Summary: One of the routers that S@H uses is going bonkers. Leaving groups of users unable to connect.
4853) Message boards : Number crunching : HE connection problems thread (Message 1146889)
Posted 29 Aug 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hi!

Looks like something happened.
I've been forced to use proxies since August 22nd, using 3 ISPs.

One works now direct, while other needs proxy (and I do not know yet for third)

My guess: as memory on router is low, after restart it fills up
routing tables. Lucky ones are in, others are out.
Thus, after any reboot of router situation is different, depending on
who managed to get in. Quite likely, we need one user to connect in
proper time to have route inside.

73
Iztok

I had thought about setting up a secure proxy on one of my phones at home for my work machines to connect through. However I decided to bring in my flash drive to work & sneaker net it to get all of the work turned in. Around 20 machines fit on a 4GB flash drive with room to spare.
4854) Message boards : Number crunching : HE connection problems thread (Message 1146760)
Posted 29 Aug 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
8/29/2011 4:26:12 AM | SETI@home | Temporarily failed upload of 08mr11ai.22737.8411.5.10.185_3_0: HTTP error
8/29/2011 4:26:12 AM | SETI@home | Backing off 18 min 37 sec on upload of 08mr11ai.22737.8411.5.10.185_3_0
8/29/2011 4:26:55 AM | SETI@home | Temporarily failed upload of 08mr11ai.22737.8411.5.10.191_3_0: HTTP error
8/29/2011 4:26:55 AM | SETI@home | Backing off 13 min 0 sec on upload of 08mr11ai.22737.8411.5.10.191_3_0
8/29/2011 4:27:32 AM | SETI@home | Computation for task 08mr11ai.22737.8411.5.10.235_2 finished
8/29/2011 4:27:49 AM | SETI@home | Computation for task 08mr11ai.22737.8411.5.10.240_2 finished
8/29/2011 4:36:27 AM | SETI@home | Sending scheduler request: To fetch work.
8/29/2011 4:36:27 AM | SETI@home | Requesting new tasks for CPU
8/29/2011 4:37:43 AM | SETI@home | Scheduler request failed: HTTP service unavailable

Those look like normal issues from the server being busy or such.

8/29/2011 9:33:05 AM | SETI@home | Started upload of 08mr11ai.22737.8411.5.10.240_2_0
8/29/2011 9:33:06 AM | SETI@home | Finished upload of 08mr11ai.22737.8411.5.10.235_2_0
8/29/2011 9:33:07 AM | SETI@home | Finished upload of 08mr11ai.22737.8411.5.10.240_2_0
8/29/2011 9:33:11 AM | SETI@home | Sending scheduler request: To fetch work.
8/29/2011 9:33:11 AM | SETI@home | Reporting 9 completed tasks, requesting new tasks for CPU
8/29/2011 9:33:13 AM | SETI@home | Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks
8/29/2011 9:33:13 AM | SETI@home | Project has no tasks available

This clearly shows you connecting to the server, but no work was in the feeder when you asked.

The "connection problems" in this thread are really more about not being able to reach any of the servers at all. Such as when the requested tests in the OP are preformed.

From this initial data and some looking it seems there is an issue with a router. Making some users unable to connect due to a routing table getting trashed.

I'm not sure if anyone is looking at that currently. As it was stated they are more focused on trying to prevent data that super noisy from going out.
4855) Message boards : Number crunching : Still crunching, even in the face of Irene (Message 1146155)
Posted 28 Aug 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I'm still up and going in NJ still the power goes out.
4856) Message boards : Number crunching : Some silly questions.....perhaps. (Message 1145775)
Posted 27 Aug 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I am soon going to be doing some upgrading to my 'normal drive' PC 4735626 and given that I will be changing the CPU and (hopefully) adding a further 2 Gigs of RAM at the same time, I have, what may seem to be, to the more experienced users, some silly questions.

1. The CPU I will be changing to, is an Intel E8400, which supports, over and above my current E6550, SSE4.1. As a user of the Lunatics Optimised apps, I'd like to know if there is any real advantage in using the Win/Intel SSE4.1 app over the SSSE 3.X app. If there is an advantage, is it worth having? A Quad-core CPU would've been nice, but, when I can get an E8400 and 2 Gigs of 4-4-4-12 DDR2 RAM for less than the cost of a Q6600, there really is no contest.

2. On my present PC, due to the stupid way that BOINC works (regarding the early exit due to 'overflow' results counting as an indication of the speed of work done), my ATI GPU (a two-year-old factory OC'd HD4890) has a very enviable APR of around 1400 for ATI GPU MB tasks. I see an opportunity here, given the differences, to basically 'create' a new machine and, at the very least, rid myself of this crazy APR figure...even if it might be temporary. What do I need to do, to either, 'retire' a PC, or, ensure that a 'new' PC is 'registered'?

The SSE4.1 app yeilds better results over the SSSEx app when you have a lot of memory bandwidth. My E8400 with DDR3 running at 1333 showed no improvement with the SSE4.1 application.

Back when I was looking to upgrade desktop system then I was planning on rotating my old machine down to be my HTPC. I was looking at the Q9650 & it turned out to be cheaper to build and i7-860 machine.

In March I bought a new laptop with an i3-390 2.66GHz processor. I ran S@H on it against my E8400 3.0GHz. The i3 put my E8400 to shame. So you might consider one the even newer i3 processors such as the i3-2120 or i3-2100. For an E8400 & 2GB DDR2 ram here I see about $170 vs about $250 to change up to an i3 with DDR3. To me that would justify going with the newer stuff, but for you I can imagine the difference could be like £200 because prices can be silly over there.
4857) Message boards : Number crunching : SETI@home error -12 Unknown error (Message 1145506)
Posted 26 Aug 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thanks.

But currently I can't follow how Richard came to the 255 folder.

If I look there and calculate I wouldn't look in the 255 folder.

It's too much for bedtime reading. ;-)

If you understood the manual, maybe if you like you could DL the WU, if it would be helpful for the Lunatics crew?

Or no WUs needed, because the problem of the app is detected?

If I did it right then the file should be here, or maybe here.
I can't connect to the servers at work so I am unsure if I did that right.

The MD5 hash of the file is 73a5583ae9dbb4fae6cf49ee8f75032d
So the part we want is for the folder is 83a. 8 modulo 4 = 0. If you don't want to do the calculation use the table Richard made. So if the first digit of those 3 is 0, 4, 8, or C. Then the mod 4 value is 0.
Then I am unsure of the 3a is left in hex or is converted to decimal. So either /03a/ or /058/. Then again if it 0 then it might just be /3a/ or /58/.

EDIT: So it Should be here without the 0
4858) Message boards : Number crunching : HE connection problems thread (Message 1145504)
Posted 26 Aug 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Still unable to connect from NYC with cable or T-Mobile, both methods time out at the same place. How many of users are 'black listed' from the server?

1 3 ms 3 ms 3 ms 192.168.1.1
2 52 ms 49 ms 49 ms 38.191.168.10.in-addr.arpa [10.168.191.38]
3 58 ms 53 ms 45 ms 37.191.168.10.in-addr.arpa [10.168.191.37]
4 80 ms 52 ms 45 ms 12.191.168.10.in-addr.arpa [10.168.191.12]
5 62 ms 55 ms 57 ms 2.191.168.10.in-addr.arpa [10.168.191.2]
6 54 ms 67 ms 50 ms 5.209.170.10.in-addr.arpa [10.170.209.5]
7 53 ms 54 ms 44 ms 10.209.170.10.in-addr.arpa [10.170.209.10]
8 51 ms 68 ms 50 ms 33.236.163.10.in-addr.arpa [10.163.236.33]
9 85 ms 67 ms 73 ms 117.188.176.10.in-addr.arpa [10.176.188.117]
10 50 ms 73 ms 75 ms 12.91.209.9
11 55 ms 46 ms 52 ms cr1.n54ny.ip.att.net [12.122.105.26]
12 48 ms 49 ms 41 ms gar1.lsnca.ip.att.net [12.122.81.105]
13 48 ms 46 ms 107 ms 192.205.36.110
14 42 ms 49 ms 41 ms nyk-bb1-link.telia.net [213.155.130.246]
15 120 ms 137 ms 121 ms sjo-bb1-link.telia.net [213.248.80.1]
16 117 ms 132 ms 123 ms hurricane-113209-sjo-bb1.c.telia.net [213.248.86
.54]
17 * * * Request timed out.
18

It seems to be a router table getting scrambled issue. At least from what they have seen that has occurred a few times.
It is hard to say how many users are effected. Only a small portion of us use the forums. Someone could look at the stats I suppose and try to figure it out based on # of users returning work.
Maybe one of the stat sites tracks that information already?
4859) Message boards : Number crunching : Fedora 14 - yes its linux (Message 1145501)
Posted 26 Aug 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
@ML1 Thanks for the info. The gui_rpc_auth.cfg was there. Running/installed as root and all permissions are ok.
No errors reported so dont know what to fix.

Managed to get a boinc_6.10.17.......sh and installed and all is fine!!!!.
D/L a bunch of w/u and its all going well.

This pc was running fedora 4 .... then fedora 10 ok.

The latest is not always the best.

Ta
Nairb

You already got it, but so you know. The old versions going back to 5.4 are still on the BOINC site for download. The just remove them from the main download page when a new one is approved.
4860) Message boards : Number crunching : Fedora 14 - yes its linux (Message 1145445)
Posted 26 Aug 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
For the win version there are several std*.txt files would contain what you are looking for I think. I just don't know if they are generated for the linux version.
4861) Message boards : Number crunching : I just noticed (Message 1145443)
Posted 26 Aug 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
If you look at the server status page you can see the data that is being split. Data from just a few months ago is being processed at the moment along with some older stuff. The older data could be stuff that was unable to be split at the time & with the tweaks they have written it can be pulled off and split now.

Normally we process the data faster then they can split it into work. I think there is a large cache of data that was never split, for various reasons, that they can do now.
4862) Message boards : Number crunching : HE connection problems thread (Message 1145380)
Posted 26 Aug 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
It looks like I just got hit with the HE problem for the first time. Boinc can't connect to Seti or Seti Beta using my DSL. Luckily, my cable ISP which I normally only use when I need an extra fast download seem to have no problem connecting.

Looks like the router reboot must have killed it for you.
My work machines have been out since the 22nd. Today I tried to tether my phone to a PA, but the connections via t-mobile was no joy as well. My home machines are happy campers though. Maybe I'll sneaker-net all of my finished work at home so it can be returned.
4863) Message boards : Technical News : The Owl in Daylight (Aug 24 2011) (Message 1145374)
Posted 26 Aug 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Despite better judgement (being late in the week, and I'm the only computer geek at the lab today and nobody else will be in until Monday) I did just reboot the router. Maybe that'll fix some of y'alls connections.

- Matt

It was no joy here, but thanks for giving it a go. Good luck with everything once you take off for a while. We will be sure to pester everyone else in your absence. :)
4864) Message boards : Number crunching : Optimised app for ATI/AMD 3850 GPU processing. (Message 1145367)
Posted 26 Aug 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
regardless of the double precision your card will not run the regular opditimized app for the AP WU's. You will only be able to run the hybrid app. I don't know what is so confusing about this.

Please don't get stuck on the double precision. Your card uses an older generation of GPU. That GPU cannot use all the functions necessary to process an optimized app. You'll need at least a 4650(IIRC) or better to use the optimized app. Also the first double precision ATI card that I know of that works on Seti@home is the 4770.

I think what they need is this kind of answer:
"No there is no DP application for S@H at this time. During the install it is pretty clear what you should do, but here is an image of the option you would select for your card."


If I recall DP is not used in S@H application as it isn't required for the calculations that are being preformed.

Edit: If you want to use the OpenCL applications you should see the Supported hardware list
4865) Message boards : Number crunching : MB: Increased processing time? (Message 1144997)
Posted 25 Aug 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
It used to be 1h20'-1h30' for "normal" tasks and 1h30' - 1h45' for vlars. Now it's about 20' longer.

I do have bad CPU cooling. Because of that, running at 60% of processors, which means 4 WU at a time. CPU core temperatures varies from 65 to 75°C.("Core Temp v:0.99.7")

It looks like some specific ranges of WUs (like those named 05mr11aa.32469.xxx) take more time than others.

Looking at task [http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/result.php?resultid=2012512477]2012512477[/url] it does have an AR of .375 so I expect it would take a bit longer then normal. This is normal and would be would be expected behavior. Once a result is complete you can see the AR on the page like the one I linked to. Generally if the angle range is < .42 it will take more time. If it is > .42 it will take less time. The AR just depends on where the dish was pointing when the data was collected.
So it looks like your machine is OK it is just the work you are processing will take a bit longer.
4866) Message boards : Number crunching : MB: Increased processing time? (Message 1144947)
Posted 25 Aug 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Looking at your current list of tasks it seems like a normal angle range task of around .42 takes 5500-5800 seconds or about 1.5 hours per task. Is that expected or is that longer than normal for you? I do see you did a lot of non-vlar tasks that were in the .3 range. Those will run a bit longer than normal.

If it isn't normal for you then I would first suspect heat related. If you don't have any software to check you can get CPUID's Hardware Monitor. According to the Intel spec sheet the i7-920 is rated to go up to 67.9°C for the case temp. Core Temp will display the value for the individual core temps.

My i7-860 would start acting up when all the cores were around 87°C. Which was near the limit of 90°C. After replacing my stock heatsink they normally max out around 65°C now.
4867) Message boards : Number crunching : forgive my naivete' but isn't 100% 100%? (Message 1144807)
Posted 25 Aug 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
With this lull in SAH WU's I'm running MalariaControl to keep the boys busy.

I have noticed that although I'm still running 8 WU's at 100% they are running 5 to 6 deg C cooler than running 8 WU's of SAH at 100%.

I'm using the stock malaria
I am using the Lunatics 0.38 (sse4.1) SAH.

<edit> oops forgot to say that both are running at 2926.02MHz</edit>
<edit> also the 2 GPU WU's continue running at the same temp under both CPU loads as before</edit>
why is this??

Thanks

Ed F

When you see 100% CPU usage in the OS it just indicates all of the clock cycles are being allocated. I'm not sure if there is a way to see how the clock cycles are being used.
4868) Message boards : Technical News : Drive (Aug 11 2011) (Message 1144550)
Posted 24 Aug 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I will try to post to tech news at least once a week when Matt's gone. I'm a little farther from the actual tech, so my posts may be less accurate, or possibly even wrong at times.

I am sure your efforts will be appreciated by everyone.

Was someone playing with one of the routers recently by chance? It seems that my computers at work haven't been able to contact anything since about 2011-08-22 21:30 UTC. From what a few others have said it looks similar to when the first corrupt routing table was fixed in the PAIX router.
4869) Message boards : Number crunching : MB: Increased processing time? (Message 1144547)
Posted 24 Aug 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I noticed latelly that MB WU needs 30-50% more time to complete.
Is it normal?

Many of the In Progress tasks I see on your computer are VLARs. they sometimes/often take a bit longer then do "normal" AR tasks. This could be why you are seeing longer times. The VLAR tasks are flagged as such so you will see them on your list of tasks named like "16ja11ab.5934.593.13.10.208.vlar_0" where a non VLAR would be "16ja11ab.5934.593.13.10.208_0"
4870) Message boards : Number crunching : Project detach and re-attach (Message 1144544)
Posted 24 Aug 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have some 53 wu that can be put back out to the community if I can remember how to detach and re-attach to the project. Can't find any buttons to do this in Boinc 6.12.23.

Will a project reset do the same thing? Should I back up anything first?

1) Go to the Project tab
2) Select project
3) Click remove
4) Go to Tools
5) Select Add project or account manager...
4871) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (52) Server problems? (Message 1144426)
Posted 24 Aug 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
highly unlikely that todays sunburst would affect data collected months ago.

It's unlikely that everyone would be affected at the same time either.


I had read that we have been going thru a higher period of solar Flares with Higher than normal radiation from them...

Just a thought anyway... :)


The solar sun spot cycle averages about 11 years. We are nearing what should be a maximum year. Two or three years after the maximum has occurred they can tell us when it was.

In other news it looks like they were playing with the router again. Last time they did my home system would connect, but non of my work machines would. Looking at my computers list the last time any of my work machines called home was about 1:30PM Monday afternoon.
I'm not really concerned. Tomorrow when I go into work I'll probably look and make sure it isn't anything on my end. Then report my findings in the HE connection thread if everything looks OK.
4872) Message boards : Number crunching : New Message Board Just for Tech equip info ? (Message 1144007)
Posted 22 Aug 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Trust me when I say no one would read it. ;-)

I know I wouldn't. I hardly read the documentation as it is.
4873) Message boards : Number crunching : New Message Board Just for Tech equip info ? (Message 1144005)
Posted 22 Aug 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have to agree with skildude on this. Im basicaly a noob when it comes to computers and any questions I ever had whenI spec'd out my I7 was answered on here.

However the idea does have merit.


When I First started doing SETI I only had 1 Duel core 3.1ghz Processor
an ati Video card that wouldn't work for crunching ( 128 bit )

I didn't ask for help for a while because I wasn't sure where to ask , my limited exp on boards like this was that if you posted in the wronge area , you were fussed at... LOL
So I didn't ask for help or info for some time...
as I read more and more of the other posts I saw that I might be able to get some info in Number crunching...
So I tried in here... and I did get some help...
If there had been a Board just for that kind of tech help , then I could have gotten going a lot quicker... :)

Thx...

I'm not sure a separate section would be that helpful. I think sections of the forum have evolved from their original intent. I'm OK with that. Things evolve & what not. When I was getting back into S@H after a few years off I did find the Q&A section of the forums to be useless. I think Number Crunching fills the intended roll more so these days.

Something like a troubleshooting section for common issues that come up when you first start using BOINC might be good.
Maybe things like:
"When BOINC says it can connect to blah blah blah"
-Look on the project Server Stats page and see if the servers are running. If they are not running wait until they are up. If they are running try restarting your computer or go have a sammich & try again later.
4874) Message boards : Number crunching : Maintence Day (Message 1143890)
Posted 22 Aug 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
How about segmenting the system architecture better so that different parts can be "maintained" on different days, deferring complete shutdowns to a more infrequent interval?

I thought the primary reason for the weekly maintenance is to make a backup of the science databases. Which effectively takes everything down.

Posted about 4 days ago by Matt in Tech News........

"The most important thing that happens during the outage is that we compress the mysql databases. Since we are inserting/deleting millions of rows per day (all results and workunits) the database pages get ridiculously fragmented really fast, and after about a week can no longer fit in memory. The compression part is what takes about 2-3 hours, and you can't really do much with the database while that happens, which is why we stop the projects.

The actual backup part takes about 45 minutes, and could actually happen live if we did it on the replica, but just to be safe we back up the master.

We also take care of other odds and ends, like rotating the backend server logs, and replacing broken drives, etc. while everything is quiet."

Right! That's it. Thanks.
Like I can remember 4 days ago... :)
4875) Message boards : Number crunching : When can we expect new work? (Message 1143850)
Posted 22 Aug 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Based on the post "work generation temporarily halted" by Jeff I guess the answer is until the RAID array is back up and running.

No details on what he meant by "down". It could have just hiccuped & decided it needed to do a rebuild which can at times make an array unusable until it is finished. With the great size of that array it could take quite some time. It could be several more days or a week+.
4876) Message boards : Number crunching : Maintence Day (Message 1143832)
Posted 22 Aug 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
How about segmenting the system architecture better so that different parts can be "maintained" on different days, deferring complete shutdowns to a more infrequent interval?

I thought the primary reason for the weekly maintenance is to make a backup of the science databases. Which effectively takes everything down.
4877) Message boards : Number crunching : Maintence Day (Message 1143805)
Posted 22 Aug 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Monday is also often a "recovery day" for any problems that might have occurred over the weekend. I normally end up doing maintenance on our stuff at work on Wednesday or Thursday.
4878) Message boards : Number crunching : Boincmgr 6.12 series (vs 6.10 series) (Message 1143797)
Posted 22 Aug 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
no notices can't be turned off.
add your name to those of us that have been asking ... and asking ... and asking


I start my BOINC a little something like this.
D:
cd\BOINC\
boinc.exe --skip_cpu_benchmarks --detach
start boincmgr.exe /s
CHOICE /N /D Y /T 2
rd D:\BOINC\notices\ /s /q

Then I don't get any notices & in my message tab I get:
8/22/2011 8:30:37 AM [error] Can't create HTTP response output file notices/setiathome.berkeley.edu_notices.php.xml

Then again since I use BOINC Manager from 6.10.xx I don't even have a notices tab.
4879) Message boards : Number crunching : Yowl, hungry like.... (Message 1143472)
Posted 21 Aug 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
So for the MSRP of that Mars II card you could buy 3 580s. I think I would do that & just bump their core clock the 9MHz to match that card.

With a standard 7 slot board, if the slots were configured correctly, you could get 3 of these in there with the correct case. So ending up with 6 580 GPUs. Which would be better than the 4 580 GPUs that would fit in the same MB. However again due to the coast it would be cheaper to get 6 580s and build 2 system with the same money it would take just to buy 3 of those Mars II cards. $750 should be enough to build a support system for 3 580 GPUs.
4880) Message boards : Number crunching : Task was reported too late to validate ? (Message 1142621)
Posted 19 Aug 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The more important question here is.........................

Why did Boinc fail to complete the work in time? I believe that Boinc is supposed to avoid this at all costs.


More so, why was it only a 2 day due date for that task. It doesn't look like it was a shorty or anything. Maybe the server went a bit bonkers?



I don't know , But My Cache is over 1000 WU's NOW , Combined Cuda and Vlar and AP Wu's ...

Hope I can get them all done before they " Expire " also... LOL

Not accepting any more downloads till I get cache back to a lower size...

Maybe that will help keep this from happening as much.


Looking over things it seems there were several download errors on your machine on the 14th. Probably one of the many times the server was being overloaded with requests.
That task probably was flagged as a download error causing it to be sent to someone else, but it would seem you did receive the whole file. Probably just a miscommunication between the server and your client.

Methinks the ghosty scenario is playing a big part of my increasing pendings..........

Ghosts you say? I know who I am gonna call.
4881) Message boards : Number crunching : Task was reported too late to validate ? (Message 1142617)
Posted 19 Aug 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The more important question here is.........................

Why did Boinc fail to complete the work in time? I believe that Boinc is supposed to avoid this at all costs.


More so, why was it only a 2 day due date for that task. It doesn't look like it was a shorty or anything. Maybe the server went a bit bonkers?



I don't know , But My Cache is over 1000 WU's NOW , Combined Cuda and Vlar and AP Wu's ...

Hope I can get them all done before they " Expire " also... LOL

Not accepting any more downloads till I get cache back to a lower size...

Maybe that will help keep this from happening as much.


Looking over things it seems there were several download errors on your machine on the 14th. Probably one of the many times the server was being overloaded with requests.
That task probably was flagged as a download error causing it to be sent to someone else, but it would seem you did receive the whole file. Probably just a miscommunication between the server and your client.
4882) Message boards : Number crunching : Task was reported too late to validate ? (Message 1142606)
Posted 19 Aug 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The more important question here is.........................

Why did Boinc fail to complete the work in time? I believe that Boinc is supposed to avoid this at all costs.


More so, why was it only a 2 day due date for that task. It doesn't look like it was a shorty or anything. Maybe the server went a bit bonkers?
The deadline for everyone else was 6-7 weeks from the sent date, as it should be.
4883) Message boards : Number crunching : Task was reported too late to validate ? (Message 1142604)
Posted 19 Aug 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
It is a lot easier if you just provide a link to the task in question instead of 94 lines of mostly spaces.
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/workunit.php?wuid=802250408

However, Yes that can occur. Looks like that one had a really short due date. Then it was sent out to a 3rd person after you were unable to return it by the date in question. Since both other parties returned and validated the task before you returned your results your task isn't considered.
4884) Message boards : Number crunching : Pending Credit -> Task Counts???? (Message 1141485)
Posted 17 Aug 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
No, not directly on the account page. I think jravin only wants the now useless "View Pending credit" link recycled for something that doesn't stress the database as much but still gives useful information.

Gruß,
Gundolf

Ah, so an exact duplication of what we get on the task list header without displaying the first 20 tasks then. I'm not sure that would reduce the query time a significant amount. Maybe a ten-thousandths of a second or less depending on the load of the server. That would be one for the guys to decide upon.


But it should save a good deal of the bandwidth required if you don't also transmit the task list. Or that's what I believe; as I said earlier, most of the time I just want the counts, not the individual tasks. So why work the DB and (more importantly) the out-going link more than is necessary?

The website isn't routed through the HE line, but the solution Joe provided does reduce the page size from ~20k to ~5k. Depending on how the query is structured a large enough offset might prove to be less db load, but getting the count might be the largest portion of the query.
4885) Message boards : Number crunching : Pending Credit -> Task Counts???? (Message 1141197)
Posted 16 Aug 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
No, not directly on the account page. I think jravin only wants the now useless "View Pending credit" link recycled for something that doesn't stress the database as much but still gives useful information.

Gruß,
Gundolf

Ah, so an exact duplication of what we get on the task list header without displaying the first 20 tasks then. I'm not sure that would reduce the query time a significant amount. Maybe a ten-thousandths of a second or less depending on the load of the server. That would be one for the guys to decide upon.
4886) Message boards : Number crunching : Is it worth setting up a Linux Only NetMachine for secure transactions? (Message 1141189)
Posted 16 Aug 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
i have old hardware i don't use but could easily get a linux Only NetMachine up and running .
The idea is that i could get as secure a connection as possible for financial/banking tansactions.
The computer would only be used for secure transactions, with no other software installed.
The hardware and software are free.
Is this overkill?
Is Windows Safe enough for this?

The OS and software are not what specifically make something secure. It is the user and how they implement or use security features. Kind of like having steel door on your home with the best locks money can buy and leaving the door unlocked provides just as much security as any other unlocked door.

If you want to use an older machine for banking stuff only that is your decision. If it makes you feel better then hey why not. In my opinion the days of people trying to hack single computers for information just isn't worth it these days. If someone wants information they tend to just hack your bank and get 50,000 peoples information all at once. Not to say the chances are zero but IMO pretty low these days.

I use quicken to track all of my financial stuff. In it I have no account numbers or information other than transactions & dates. So if someone were to steal the data file and open it they would only know I had X amount of dollars on whatever date, but not even at which bank.

Also I don't see why you couldn't run BOINC on this machine. The guys at Berkeley seem pretty legit and all. :)
4887) Message boards : Number crunching : Pending Credit -> Task Counts???? (Message 1141181)
Posted 16 Aug 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
You can get the info for each PC on the detail page.


I know that - but I just want the count summary in this instance, NOT the listing of the individual tasks.




Like this?

I think they want the information that you see on your all tasks list that looks like this:
State: All (7752) | In progress (5606) | Pending (1263) | Valid (818) | Invalid (2) | Error (63)
to be duplicated on the account page. I'm sure it could be done, but the developer answer would probably be something along the lines of "that information is already provided see http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/results.php?userid=###. Where ### is your user id, or just click the tasks link on you account page.".

The only issue I could see with doing this is having the run the query that returns that information every time you load your account page. It might lead to excessive load on the database. Then again with jocelyn being in a good mood right now that might not matter.
4888) Message boards : Number crunching : Lunatics Windows Installer v0.38 release notes (Message 1139634)
Posted 12 Aug 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I am experiencing 30 secs of system-pausing when the GPU is reloaded since installing v0.38. Where can I backtrack to the v0.37 or is there anything else I can do?

Thanks.


Hi there. Your original files from a previous installation should have been backed up & kept in a backup folder within your project folder. You could either look for those and replace them in the project folder (manually), or uninstall the 0.38 installation via control panel. That *should* put everything back.

I've seen no reports yet of 30 second freezes, but I'll certainly be on the lookout for them now.

Jason

I have noticed that intermittently on 5530010. I figured it had to do with the higher task priority in that version. Watching task manager the GPU app maxes out a core for the first few seconds it starts & then everything goes back to normal. Since tasks normally take a few hours on that GPU it doesn't really effect me enough to worry about it.
I also I I remember you mentioned else ware the thread priority was or will be lowered later.
4889) Message boards : Number crunching : What settings to keep this laptop cool (Message 1139124)
Posted 12 Aug 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Got the fan running (Fingers Crossed).

If the fan does poop out you could just take a box and cut a hole in it where the fan intake is. Then mount a fan in the box. I've successfully done a few jerry rigs like that.
4890) Message boards : Technical News : Drive (Aug 11 2011) (Message 1139123)
Posted 12 Aug 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thanks for the update Matt.

Maybe we should start a drive to fund a new replacement router.

Maybe we should shoot for replacing the on campus routers as well. In the event high bandwidth could be utilized.
4891) Message boards : Number crunching : Stats for the world? (Message 1138803)
Posted 11 Aug 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
What ever happened to the Bonic Stats for the world? Any ideas anyone?

If you look at their main stats page you can see when each project was last updated. When I try to look at some of the stats I get the message "Currently Disabled due to Database issues. Sorry."
4892) Message boards : Number crunching : Maybe this Xigmatek case is good enough... (Message 1138743)
Posted 11 Aug 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Looks like some kind of old BTX case they cut openings in to mount the extra supplies.
4893) Message boards : Number crunching : What settings to keep this laptop cool (Message 1138741)
Posted 11 Aug 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The spec for the thermal limit is 100ºC for your CPU.
I haven't had any issue with a processor getting to warm on any of my notebooks. Other components may not care for the heat produced by 24/7 processing of S@H. I was running a notebook with the lid closed and a part of the LCD neat the CPU became a bit discolored from the excessive heat.

IF you are concerned about heat you limit to running 1 task running or employ one of tho thermal monitoring programs that will suspend work.
4894) Message boards : Number crunching : Multiple different GPU's, not all being used (Message 1138705)
Posted 11 Aug 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
You will have to shut down the core client and then restart it for it to take affect.


Yep, tried that and nada, I even tried a reboot and nada. I changed it to just a slimmer:

<cc_config>
<options>
<use_all_gpus>1</use_all_gpus>
</options>
</cc_config>

You might have put the file in the wrong location. It should be in your data directory.
For troubleshooting you could set it to:
<cc_config>
<options>
<allow_remote_gui_rpc>1</allow_remote_gui_rpc>
<use_all_gpus>1</use_all_gpus>
</options>
</cc_config>
If you don't see the line: "8/10/2011 9:31:12 PM Config: GUI RPC allowed from any host" in your start up messages then you know it isn't being read.
If you do see the message then the file is being read and the problem lies else ware. Also be sure to disable or remove the allow_remote_gui_rpc line after troubleshooting if you don't plan to use it.
4895) Message boards : Number crunching : Multiple different GPU's, not all being used (Message 1138677)
Posted 11 Aug 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
8/10/2011 6:50:31 PM | | NVIDIA GPU 0 (not used): GeForce GTX 480 (driver version 28026, CUDA version 4000, compute capability 2.0, 1503MB, 1345 GFLOPS peak)
8/10/2011 6:50:31 PM | | NVIDIA GPU 1: GeForce GTX 460 (driver version 28026, CUDA version 4000, compute capability 2.1, 994MB, 762 GFLOPS peak)


I know this issue has come up in here before and I know I have to edit the cc_config.xml file but I just can't seem to get the syntax right. What I currently have is:

<cc_config>
<log_flags>
<use_all_gpus>1</use_all_gpus>
</log_flags>
</cc_config>

(of course it doesn't post the text right from the XML file)

Is this correct or not? It doesn't seem to be working so I am guessing not. I am using the 6.12.33 X64 client on Windows 7. I am trying to get a GTX 480 and GTX 460 running on the same computer with the 280.26 driver.


Close, but it isn't a logging option.

<cc_config>
<log_flags>
</log_flags>
<options>
<use_all_gpus>1</use_all_gpus>
</options>
</cc_config>
4896) Message boards : Number crunching : Need info on CPU's (Message 1138590)
Posted 10 Aug 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
@Floyds: I don't think anyone has shown one CPU to be more helpful than another to the GPUs computing if that was your question. Some have found if it good to leave one core or thread idle to "feed" the GPU on heavy duty crunchers. So more cores the better I reckon.
4897) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (51) Server problems? (Message 1138585)
Posted 10 Aug 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Ok, cricket graph hit the bottom. I guess that means we're done. ET has been found, and our job is done. I wonder who it was that found the little bugger?

Someone just hit the update button. Who is the wise guy?

False alarm, no little guys found I guess. The data flows once again. Just beware of the wee dookie floating atop the stream.
4898) Message boards : Number crunching : HE connection problems thread (Message 1138583)
Posted 10 Aug 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

See the Panic thread first. Everything went completely flat on the Cricket graph, suddenly, about half an hour ago. I think somebody is disembowelling a router as we speak.

Hey Richard,

I saw that after I posted. I'm hoping thats what the cause is. I know when I first posted my trace routes and pings that things were up, so maybe this time it is due to that. I'm keeping my fingers crossed. I'll try things again later this afternoon, and we'll see what happens! :-)

Looks like that was it. I just got home from work and some transfers here went through & I see on my computers list some of my machines at work contacted the server a few minutes ago.
Not sure if they just rolled back to the old config or did more "fixing". We will see in the next few hours how everyone start responding.
4899) Message boards : Number crunching : EVGA board (Message 1138484)
Posted 10 Aug 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Well, I purchased 3 of the below units, one for each of 3 machines. All machines are identical. Link to one:

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/show_host_detail.php?hostid=4693636

I am running 5.10.45 with opti aps, AP only. 5.10.45 because some of my other machines are servers and I wanted to keep them all the same.

Anyone care to point me to the correct versions of Boinc and apps to support the new gpu's. I will continue with cpu and gpu crunching.

http://www.evga.com/products/moreInfo.asp?pn=02G-P3-1529-KR&family=GeForce%20500%20Series%20Family&sw=

Thanks in advance


IIRC I think you want at least 6.3.xx for GPU support. Tho 6.6.xx or 6.10.xx would probably be better.
4900) Message boards : Number crunching : Credit (Message 1138425)
Posted 10 Aug 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
So when I get a slower wingman my work is worth more? That logic does not work for me.

The kitties will wish for slower wingmen.
Take yer time......


No Worries. Luckily this request coincides with my latest efforts to de-optimise code. I'm aiming for a build 100x slower by Christmas.

LOL....shouldn't be too hard, just study the Boinc code for random retries and backoffs. That should do it.

It is super easy. you just drop this in the code.
:start
do work
sleep 3600
goto start
4901) Message boards : Number crunching : Hey - Wassup with Uploads? (Message 1138414)
Posted 10 Aug 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have noticed the server stats pages shows the upload server as disabled every few updates today. The current status at [As of 10 Aug 2011 | 16:00:09 UTC] is still showing disabled.
4902) Message boards : Number crunching : Some statistics? I wonder... (Message 1138346)
Posted 10 Aug 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I was trying to find a topic, but couldn't. So here it is:

How much storage space bandwidth is actually used to support seti@home project? How much data is up/downloaded by contributors per day/week/month?


I believe the storage is using Fibre Channel & I think they are trying to figure out if they are maxing it out right now. I would guess the newer server equipment is 8 gig or better and the older ones are probably only 4 gig or even 2 gig.

I'm not sure if using the information from the bandwidth graph would be an accurate was to find out how much data is transferred & processed. For data going out it doesn't tell us how much of it is being used by our constant DDOS attack, resends, and just lot data.
Tracking the number of tasks that go out and results returned for a given time period would probably give a more accurate number to the amount of bandwidth that is being used for tasks being processed. That might be doing this internally and comparing it to the amount of bandwidth used on the HE line. Then it would tell them how efficiently they are using the connection.
4903) Message boards : Number crunching : GPUs have become unusable; disabling tasks (Message 1138335)
Posted 10 Aug 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
You could also setup your machine for autologon and have it lock the terminal as part of the logon. The command line string for that is:
rundll32.exe user32.dll, LockWorkStation

I do that for most of my servers at work. Normally I stick it in "HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run". Also you could also place it in a batch file in C:\Users\User\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu\Programs\Startup or C:\ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu\Programs\Startup.
4904) Message boards : Number crunching : Public beta for nVidia AstroPulse, rev 521 (Message 1138111)
Posted 9 Aug 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Why are the AP tasks crunched by CUDA returning very low credit per unit? If you take a look at my valids you'll see what I mean.

It's to the point where I don't think it's worth it. I'm tying up 1 GPU for let's say 2 hours crunching 2-3 units for a total of 600cr. In that time space I could do enough MB for several thousand credits.

On my systems AP "pays" less per hour than does MB work. About 80% that of MB doing a quick calculation.
I think a year or two ago AP "paid" more per hour. So it was far more desirable to run for the credit hounds. I run AP on any of my systems that take <24 hours. As I like my machines to call home at least once per day.
4905) Message boards : Number crunching : Just another boring GPU Question (Message 1138023)
Posted 9 Aug 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
<use_all_gpus>1</use_all_gpus> in your cc_config.xml
4906) Message boards : Number crunching : System clock was turned backwards; clearing timeouts (Message 1137896)
Posted 9 Aug 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Program conflict confirmed..
Origin software is conflicting with Boinc and/or the system clock. Everything was running great until I restarted the program, then BAM.. Boinc crash as well.

I just recently found on 1 2008 x64 system that after upgrading to .net 4 the system would randomly lockup while running BOINC. Removing .net solved the issue as it wasn't really required. Oddly enough I can reproduce it on the one system, but no others. Cursed computers and their quirky personalities.
4907) Message boards : Number crunching : Building new system, looking for new motherboard...need input. (Message 1137683)
Posted 8 Aug 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The Gigabyte GA-Z68X-UD7-B3 looks like you would be able to get 4 x8 slots out of it, but only with single slot cards.
4908) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (51) Server problems? (Message 1137084)
Posted 7 Aug 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
No panic on my end. Bring forth the duck!
Cricket Graphs

Steve

Is that like release the kraken?
4909) Message boards : Number crunching : Thermo electric cooling.. (Message 1136895)
Posted 6 Aug 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I had played around with some TECs back in the slot 1 days, but never really had a lot of interest in it. As the power required to run them didn't outweigh the gains in over clocking.
I would imagine the kits of today are much better then the old days. I just bought my TECs from electric supply catalogs and cobbled together things myself.

Recently I had been playing with one of the TECs I still have. I was thinking about fashioning some sort of cooling intake shroud where the front fan draws air in the system. So the air coming in would be cooled. Sort of a mini A/C I guess.
4910) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (51) Server problems? (Message 1136352)
Posted 5 Aug 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Ok, we're down and out.

2011-08-05 20:37:09 SETI@home Message from server: Project is temporarily shut down for maintenance

Someone plugged the vacuum in early this week.
4911) Message boards : Number crunching : Need Help!! (Message 1136351)
Posted 5 Aug 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Installed Fred's Rescheduler with the following settings.
---------------MB----------------
If GPU tasks < 40 fill to 60
If CPU tasks < 20 fill to 30

---------------AP----------------
If GPU tasks < 20 fill to 30
If CPU tasks < 5 fille to 10

There are approx 467 MB and 19 AP that were to be re-scheduled during the test, but I don't see any AP being re-scheduled. I did recycle the machine after running the test and the hitting the run button. What did I do Wrong, do I need to run it again? Do I need to run the re-scheduler again after each recycle, I would think that it would keep its setting from one recycle to another.


When Boinc is running, hit 'run' on your rescheduler. Boinc will go blank for a bit then come back.

After this happens, check the type of AP units you have now. If you don't have (cuda) after them, something's borked.


Of course it's borked. He doesn't have any app to run AP on his GPU. In his first message he said: "Is there any way to send my MB6.03 & AP tasks to CUDA without using the beta version nVIDIA Astropulse rev521?"

I haven't keep up on the Nvidia AP app. Is 521 the current one? At least he can send some MB to the card now.
4912) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (51) Server problems? (Message 1136274)
Posted 5 Aug 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Good lord I hate Boinc sometimes. I watched it fail one download then project backoff for 11:30:00. In their epic wisdom, the builders of Boinc made it so that when your machine backs off for a totally reasonable half day, it won't report or request additional tasks thus stalling everything you're doing.

Thanks guys for thinking that one through.

Hopefully the new Boinc will avoid this nonsensical issue.

That why I'm not updating my Boinc, I'm staying with 6.10.60 until the backoff gets "fixed" :)

I find it especially amusing that while tasks are actively downloading it can trigger a 9-11hr project backoff. Then once one of the active downloads completes it clears the backoff.
4913) Message boards : Number crunching : Need Help!! (Message 1136235)
Posted 5 Aug 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
You mean with something like Freds rescheduler tool?
4914) Message boards : Number crunching : Please help building my new main cruncher (Message 1136234)
Posted 5 Aug 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
For GPU computing, the # of lanes shouldn't matter very much, as almost all the computing is done onboard the GPU and its memory; at least for the NVIDIA apps, they only use main memory to load the WU data at the start and maybe when checkpointing (?). And that's a small percent of the overall time for any WU. Thus mainboard memory speed doesn't affect them that much either.

In fact, get a board with 4 or more GPU slots and the cheapest CPU and don't do CPU computing at all - a midrange single slot GPU will out-perform all but the most expensive CPUs regardless of CPU cores and with or without HT.

I think you might have missed the part in their initial post about this being a gaming dev machine & not a dedicated cruncher. However, with so many boards that can run 4, or more, x8 slots these days I so think that is sound advice for a dedicated cruncher.
A year or so ago I recall someone was doing testing with cards in their 3rd or 4th PCIe slot that was only x4. I think some slowdown was noted, but not that much. It would be interesting to see how the newer cards of today benchmarked in this configuration. With them being so fast a larger porting of their time would be loading data in and out of the card & the difference might be more significant.
4915) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (51) Server problems? (Message 1136020)
Posted 4 Aug 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I noticed most of my machines at work were in an about 9 hr project backoff. So I poked them and they completed their downloads of 40-50 tasks. Then on their next scheduler update they got 20 resends. So I guess everyone is still downloading those 500,000 or so tasks the splitter cranked out. Looks like they are mostly shorties & VLARs from the ones I have received.
4916) Message boards : Number crunching : CUDA Workunits on a MacBook Pro (Message 1136013)
Posted 4 Aug 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
That answers my question, I read something about CUDA apps for Windows versions only, but there is an option in the Mac client to use the GPU for processing, so I wasn't sure if that was outdated info...

I imagine it is present for the projects that do have MAC applications. I am not sure of which projects do at present.
4917) Message boards : Number crunching : Computers missing or shown incorrectly in "Computers on this account" list (Message 1136011)
Posted 4 Aug 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Looking at your machine 5753927 in your list of computers shows '16 Jan 2011 | 15:29:31 UTC" as the last contact. However looking at the tasks on the machine shows it is in fact processing work and just got some new tasks today. For that machine the last contact date is also the same as the created date.

Looks like something is wrong on the server side & would probably need to be fixed by the guys in the lab.

I'm not sure who would be the correct person to address or which would be the preferred method of contact.

Agreed - that host shows the same here, and in addition 'Aoolication details' only shows 5 tasks completed.

This does sound like a server database updating issue - I'll try email. Both the relevant people seem to the in the lab today.

Hopefully they can determine the cause and fix it for anyone that is effected all at once. Sounds like maybe some locked/corrupted rows or cells in whatever table that information gets pulled from.
4918) Message boards : Number crunching : Computers missing or shown incorrectly in "Computers on this account" list (Message 1135969)
Posted 4 Aug 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Looking at your machine 5753927 in your list of computers shows '16 Jan 2011 | 15:29:31 UTC" as the last contact. However looking at the tasks on the machine shows it is in fact processing work and just got some new tasks today. For that machine the last contact date is also the same as the created date.

Looks like something is wrong on the server side & would probably need to be fixed by the guys in the lab.

I'm not sure who would be the correct person to address or which would be the preferred method of contact.
4919) Message boards : Number crunching : AstroPulse on a laptop (Message 1135962)
Posted 4 Aug 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thanks for the info. I downloaded the optimized apps. Does it automaticly enhance BOINC? It said it downloaded to c:\Program data\... I can't even find that directory, is it hidden? I'm on Win 7 64bit. I see that the CUDA process is running the Lunitics app, but don't see any change in the normal SETI enhanced.

any help is appreciated.

<< Jim >>

The program data folder is normally hidden. You can goto Tools > folder Options > View in explorer and change what is hidden from there if you wish. If you open task manager and switch to the processes tab you can see which applications are running to confirm the new exes are in place. you may need to check the options for "Show processes from all users". The optimized apps for the cpu will be named something like AK_v8b_win_x64_SSSE3x.exe. the name will depend on which option you selecting during the install.
4920) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (51) Server problems? (Message 1135960)
Posted 4 Aug 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Pwoblems?

Dunno...as of 6 minutes ago, all splitters were in disabled status.

Also all of the assimilators are disabled at the moment. They must be mucking about with things. hopefully an improvement of some sort.
4921) Message boards : Number crunching : "Seti@Home Enhanced needs more disk space" Notices (Message 1135937)
Posted 4 Aug 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I gave Boinc 100gb of free space. Its harldy used any of it.

On one of my home systems I run BOINC in a 100MB ram drive so the HD can spend most of its time not in use. For the 100-150 tasks it normally has this is more than enough room. I use the value of 10GB so the machines I have that run AP won't hit a space limit. Although doing some quick math I don't expect more than 1.5GB would get used if they had a full cache of only AP work.
4922) Message boards : Number crunching : Computers missing or shown incorrectly in "Computers on this account" list (Message 1135929)
Posted 4 Aug 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
You can also verify these are running under the correct account by opening the account_setiathome.berkeley.edu.xml and looking at the <authenticator>VALUE</authenticator>. This should match on all of your machines and be the same as your "Account key" from the website.
4923) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (51) Server problems? (Message 1135688)
Posted 3 Aug 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
That is not my signature. Now thats a problem :o(

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=63386
4924) Message boards : Number crunching : "Seti@Home Enhanced needs more disk space" Notices (Message 1135639)
Posted 3 Aug 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
@ Gundolf: OK, I stopped & restarted BOINC Manager, here's selected copy&paste from BOINC Event Viewer:
<SNIP>
8/3/2011 11:54:43 AM | SETI@home | Message from server: SETI@home Enhanced needs 0.05MB more disk space. You currently have 31.95 MB available and it needs 32.00 MB.
....
8/3/2011 12:34:05 PM | SETI@home | Message from server: SETI@home Enhanced needs 0.32MB more disk space. You currently have 31.68 MB available and it needs 32.00 MB.


So I am STILL confused what/where the <32MB complaint is coming from and how to fix it.

Next I'll try what HAL9000 suggested (but NOT as liberal as his/her values ...).

The message a about 32MB is the value the BOINC devs selected for for a minimum limit. Even though the S@H tasks are 366Kb & 8MB BOINC likes to see 32MB free. With that last message your disk is full or BOINC is using 168.32MB of space out of the 200MB limit you currently have set. You can goto the Disk tab to see how much space is being used by BOINC & your project(s).

I did suggest a smaller limit than my values of 500MB or 1GB. With 10 days worth of work on my fastest machines I have only ever see about 420MB used.
4925) Message boards : Number crunching : "Seti@Home Enhanced needs more disk space" Notices (Message 1135597)
Posted 3 Aug 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Link: Here's my settings from BOINC > Tools> Preferences > Disk and Memory usage tab:

Use at most 0.20 GBytes disk space
Leave atleast 1.00 GBytes free disk space
Use at most 10.00% of total disk space

Tasks checkpoint to disk at most every 30.0 seconds
Use at most 75% of page file (swap space)

My pagefile is 2.097GB, total disk space & current free space on C:\ partition is 40GB toatal and 8GB free. System RAM is 4GB.


WHAT SPECIFICALLY should I change? Thanks in advance.

Any or all of those three settings. Depending on your needs. Right now you are limiting BOINC to 200MB. I would probably bump up the first one to 500MB or 1GB for a minimum. For my settings I use:
10.00GB
0.01GB
100%
4926) Message boards : Number crunching : Please help building my new main cruncher (Message 1135521)
Posted 3 Aug 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thank you for all your suggestions.

About the sound card, I initially thought I needed an Optical In connector, but I found out if I overhaul my current audio setup, I can do without that.
Also, I just got around to try a machine with a SSD and I think it's absolutely worth the extra money.

Now that I chose a different CPU, I will also have to choose a different motherboard. Of those my retailer offers, I think the MSI P67A-GD65 is the right one for me (http://www.msi.com/product/mb/P67A-GD65.html#?div=Overview)

What do you think about this one?

About what some of you said regarding PCI Express slots and Sandy Bridge MBs - are there really any issues with just two graphics cards?

It just so happens that Tom's Hardware tested GPU scaling. It looks like for dual cards the P67 is the way to go. In many cases the P67 at x8/x8 was better or close to the X58 at x16/x16.
4927) Message boards : Number crunching : Comparing WUs to wingman (Message 1135502)
Posted 3 Aug 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I thought the 260s could only practiacally crunch 1 WU at a time. That's what I have mine doing and the 460s and 560tis do 2 WUs at a time (some people have them doing 3 but I'm not certain there is any benefit).

That was certainly true with my 260, times was much longer running 2 WUs.

3 WUs on my 460 is slightly better than 2 WUs, not much but still better.

You're never actually doing doing two tasks literally at the same time: you just have them both available in memory as close as possible to the processing unit, and switch between them thousands of times a second - like any multitasking computer from the 1960s onwards. That's quite different from what you do when you're running multiple tasks on distinct CPU cores or separate graphics cards.

The older 2xx GPUs (and earlier) can do that task switching, but they are horrendously inefficient at it. So they can do two tasks per GPU, but it's pointless to try - you waste far more time than you save.

The newer 'Fermi' class - 4xx and 5xx - GPUs have new hardware to handle task switching far more efficiently. That's why it becomes viable to double-up - having a second task ready to steal a few cycles, and to be switched into 'run' mode in a few microseconds, can fill in the gaps when the first task is waiting for instructions (or data) about what to do next. And vice versa...

I had not realized that is what they were doing. For some reason I was thinking the GPU was splitting its processing cores between the tasks.
It now reminds me of the old days of people running multiple tasks on the non-HT P4's and getting a bit of gain out of it.
4928) Message boards : Number crunching : Maximum elapsed time exceeded (Message 1135493)
Posted 3 Aug 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
the rescheduler didn't say anything after I selected the -177 checker. I assume its working

I'll check it after I do a reschedule to see what it says sometimes. I might not be having any actual errors as I only download CPU tasks & shove them over to the GPU as required. At the moment it is telling me
"03 August 2011 - 11:32:26 Out of range: rsc_fpops_bound < 500000000000000000.000000, total: 35 "
4929) Message boards : Number crunching : Comparing WUs to wingman (Message 1135477)
Posted 3 Aug 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
nope other than assuming that the 4XX and 5XX nVidia cards and 5XXX and 6XXX ATI cards are running 2-3 WU's at a time.

One way to be sure is knowing your crunching potential. My GPU's both run 2 at a time and compare with a 280 or 460 nVidia. You also have to consider that your wingman may OC his card so the numbers can be very misleading.

Raistmer has charts of what some cards are capable of using a standardized WU. Again, that's not every card and doesn't actually look at the OC or varying Driver setups

With the "instances per device" in the ATI apps recorded in the result file it can show how that system was configured at the time that result was returned. Maybe something like that can be done in the Nvidia App for v7.

The Nvidia (native CUDA) app for MB - which includes the forthcoming v7 - doesn't require any special command-line setting when run two-up or three-up - BOINC's <count> directive is sufficient. Without a command line parmeter passed to the app itself, it's hard to see what could be reported in stderr_txt (not the result file, that's the science that get uploaded for validation). But I'm sure the question will find its way back to the relevant developer.

I always want to call the data in stderr the results for some reason. It might prove beneficial to testing/troubleshooting if there was some way for them to stick that in there, but it might be more effort then it is worth. That would be for devs to decide.
4930) Message boards : Number crunching : Maximum elapsed time exceeded (Message 1135473)
Posted 3 Aug 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I sometimes run the check for -177 issues, but never let it correct them as I haven't had a result with that error yet.
4931) Message boards : Number crunching : GPU's Going on Sale (Message 1135436)
Posted 3 Aug 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
AMD's next generation GPU's don't sound to bad either.

Cheers.

Indeed the Southern Islands do look promising. Also the HD6000 are starting to have rebates as well.
I might need to pop for a HD6870 soon. As I don't have a HD6000 card yet & I have had one of each generation of Radeon GPU since the first one came out.
4932) Message boards : Number crunching : Can't report or get new tasks (Message 1135409)
Posted 3 Aug 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Dumb question: What's the purpose of the glass door ?

Normally so you can see the blinky lights & keep prying hands from mucking about.
4933) Message boards : Number crunching : Maximum elapsed time exceeded (Message 1135399)
Posted 3 Aug 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I removed the <flops> because they are irrelevant. I did notice that platform was incorrect. I had removed the redundant and/or irrelevant portions of the app_info. I noticed now that I had inadvertently removed the intel_x86_64 portion and left the intel_X86 which may be a problem. I've fixed that and will see what if anything that changes

/edit. Yes it did something. It dumped all my GPU work and I get a bunch of new work now

I have done that to myself in the past with the platform flag. My systems now just have the entries with intel_x86_64. I think It makes it easier to look over the file as both are not really needed. Although the platform flag isn't absolutely needed for things to work correctly, but is needed to match any work you currently have.

I use <flops> but I also have it so the estimates are a few minutes high than the actual run time.
4934) Message boards : Number crunching : Ghost Work Units (Message 1135397)
Posted 3 Aug 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have some 37 ghost work units that I am wondering if they will affect my getting new work. I have completed all work units that I received.

I would say yes & no. As those units have been assigned to you they probably count against your "Max tasks per day", but as resend has been enabled the past several months you should get them eventually. So we don't really have ghosts anymore.
The last real ghosted tasks I had was back around November.

Also: As of [As of 3 Aug 2011 | 5:40:05 UTC] there are 431,024/MB 12,150/AP tasks to send out and the graph is fairly pegged.
4935) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (51) Server problems? (Message 1135226)
Posted 2 Aug 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
We are back & jocelyn is finally back online... I'm scared...
4936) Message boards : Number crunching : Comparing WUs to wingman (Message 1135200)
Posted 2 Aug 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
nope other than assuming that the 4XX and 5XX nVidia cards and 5XXX and 6XXX ATI cards are running 2-3 WU's at a time.

One way to be sure is knowing your crunching potential. My GPU's both run 2 at a time and compare with a 280 or 460 nVidia. You also have to consider that your wingman may OC his card so the numbers can be very misleading.

Raistmer has charts of what some cards are capable of using a standardized WU. Again, that's not every card and doesn't actually look at the OC or varying Driver setups

With the "instances per device" in the ATI apps recorded in the result file it can show how that system was configured at the time that result was returned. Maybe something like that can be done in the Nvidia App for v7.
4937) Message boards : Number crunching : AstroPulse on a laptop (Message 1134630)
Posted 31 Jul 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
You could set one of the venues/locations, accessible from your account page, to not include astropulse. Then you would also need to set your notebook to that venue/location from the details page for it.
4938) Message boards : Number crunching : GPU's Going on Sale (Message 1134539)
Posted 31 Jul 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
From Wikipedia:
"In June 2011, a presentation at ISC (International Supercomputing Conference) indicates that "Kepler" as well as "Maxwell" might be delayed a few months. This pushes the estimated release dates to 2012/2014 from 2011/2013. Rumors say the delay is due to problems with the 28nm fabrication."

Which pointed to:
http://lenzfire.com/2011/07/nvidias-next-gpu-kepler-release-date/3/
4939) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows upgrade question.... (Message 1134207)
Posted 30 Jul 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

I have a tool that allows the OS Edition to be changed. I used it when testing software installers before the days of using ghost to make system images. For XP I could set to Home, Pro, Tablet, or Media Center. Then for 2000 I could set Pro, Server, Adv. Server, or Datacenter.
It doesn't add things to the OS that are not there. It just changes what the OS reports it is. Also I'm not sure if it changes enough to trick the MS OS install check, but it is an option if you wanted to try it.

You could install XP in a different folder like C:\WinXP if you are already using C:\Windows. Then you would have everything on the system intact. However, software that adds stuff to the registry on installation would need to be reinstalled to work correctly.


And where might I find this tool you speak of. I could try it, as there is not much to lose. These are all crunch-only rigs...it's mostly the bother of reinstalling all the tools and such I use to manage them.

If I have enough disc space, the new folder option might work OK too. I'd just have to reinstall the necessary crunching bits from the old folder to the new installation. That actually is probably the best option.

I sent you a PM with it so you can give it a go. If it buggers something up, which I only had happen a few times, a clean install to a new windows folder is still an option.
4940) Message boards : Number crunching : Help with my laptop? (Message 1134107)
Posted 30 Jul 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Without a reset button, which I have never seen on a notebook, this is sometimes the only option.

My laptop has a reset button. Since it is a laptop pre '99-a Toshiba Satellite 335CDT and can only crunch a walnut, I suppose it does not qualify as a laptop.

Still. The reset button is next to the power button. It is a recessed micro-switch within an 1/8 inch dia. hole. The usual type where a pencil/pen is used to depress.

I am Null and Void.

Oh my! A rare relic to be preserved & studied.
Reset buttons are vanishing from desktop systems as well. I thought it was just the guys like HP/Dell/Lenovo, but some cases I have been looking at recently don't have one either. :(
4941) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows upgrade question.... (Message 1134104)
Posted 30 Jul 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I know there are a few Windows system experts here on Seti.
Got a question.

Is there any simple way to trick Win2K Advanced Server to allow an upgrade directly to XP? Or actually, trick the XP installer?

I tried it, and it's a no go.

I have 3 rigs that need to be upgraded to be able to take advantage of current drivers and opti apps, and it's gonna be a b**** to restart from scratch with a new OS on them all.
I have a 4th rig that is just standard Win2k...I have not tried yet, but I think it will upgrade on that one.

Thanks for any possible solutions.

I have a tool that allows the OS Edition to be changed. I used it when testing software installers before the days of using ghost to make system images. For XP I could set to Home, Pro, Tablet, or Media Center. Then for 2000 I could set Pro, Server, Adv. Server, or Datacenter.
It doesn't add things to the OS that are not there. It just changes what the OS reports it is. Also I'm not sure if it changes enough to trick the MS OS install check, but it is an option if you wanted to try it.

You could install XP in a different folder like C:\WinXP if you are already using C:\Windows. Then you would have everything on the system intact. However, software that adds stuff to the registry on installation would need to be reinstalled to work correctly.
4942) Message boards : Number crunching : To use the new BOINC 6.12.33 with the old manager interface in Windows. (Message 1133826)
Posted 30 Jul 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
OK I said I would do this and after a multi hour power outage I did get it done.

So here is my process for using the old BOINC Manager with the newer BOINC 6.12.33 client.
As always use this at your own risk. Read all instruction BEFORE starting & if you think you might mess something up then STOP before you start.
http://www.hal6000.com/seti/boinc_6.12.htm

I must warn everyone I was drinking a lot while the power was out so there might be some spelling mistakes and things. They will be corrected.... later when I know how to spell again.
4943) Message boards : Number crunching : Question about CyberPower PR2200 UPS (Message 1133659)
Posted 29 Jul 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
For the UPS output I'm really more concerned with the other things I have in the living room with my HTPC. I recent had the replace the bulb in my rear projection TV much earlier then expected. Now I wonder if it didn't care for the output from the UPS after it passed though the HV transformer to the bulb.

The typical standby UPS is for all intents and purposes a wire when the mains power is on.

If you're interested in protecting your TV, then I'd think about surge protectors, and not worry about keeping it powered during an outage.

For a computer you want one of two things:
    A graceful shutdown when power fails suddenly
    To keep running through a power failure



A small UPS will insure a graceful shutdown. You need just enough time on batteries for that clean shutdown.

If you don't want things to blow, consider a whole-house surge suppressor http://www.deltasurgeprotectors.com/


The UPSs I have bought offer surge protection. Up to whatever the joule rating on them indicates. I also have the UPS plugged into a single outlet surge protector. It is a little cube and also help by having its outlet on the bottom. So I get a 90 degree turn out of it making the cord not stick out as far. Kind of like this thing http://www.wiredzone.com/Tripp%20Lite-SPIKE-CUBE-Surge-suppressor-%28-external-%29---AC-120~31003635~0.htm

For projection TV's they need to have a graceful power down so the fan can cool the bulb off. At least the manual is pretty adamant about that. Lot of warnings and scary doom foreshadowing if it isn't treated right.

I also don't like being interrupted when I am watching a movie. We have the technology, so I make it happen.
4944) Message boards : Number crunching : ATI-AP-OpenCL, very high memory use (Message 1133587)
Posted 29 Jul 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Do you have a "new" tab where the "project" tab use to be??
And is the "message" tab gone from the front window in your version HAL9000??

//TQ


There are 2 parts to BOINC:
1] the BOINC-client (daemon/service) (no UI)
2] the BOINC-manager

So, you can run BOINC-6.12.23 client (daemon/service/non-UI) to get non-FIFO GPU scheduling but control/view the client by using a BOINC-manager from 6.10.xx (which do not have Event-Viewer in a separate window). You can even connect-to/control multiple BOINC-clients from a single "manager" like BOINCtasks.

terencewee*
Sicituradastra.

Exactly right. Tonight I'll do a little write up and post it on my site as there are some variations depending on the OS you are running.
4945) Message boards : Number crunching : Question about CyberPower PR2200 UPS (Message 1133456)
Posted 29 Jul 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I think in the future I will spend the extra for one of those "pure sinewave" models as I just looked at the output of my UPS with my scope. The power company give me a nice neat sinewave & APC says this is a "Stepped approximation to a sinewave". It has been a few years since I got my electrical engineering degree, but when I went to school we called that a square wave.

Take a look at the schematic for the typical PC switching power supply.

It's pretty normal for them to start with a rectifier, then a capacitor for filtering, and that rough 120-ish volt DC gets chopped at 20khz and fed through a flyback transformer.

If anything, square waves would be better. 100v DC would be nice too.

I can't speak to what happens with active power factor conversion -- it doesn't mean anything unless you have a LOT of computers (and not enough wiring), or if you're a big industrial user. We pay the utility for watts, not VA.


All of the PSUs I have bought in the past 5 or 6 years have been auto voltage switching from 100-240v with active PFC. I haven't made any effort to get active PFC units it just happens all of them I have bought are. Probably cheaper for the manufactures to make 1 design for international sale. With the auto voltage switching I figure the supply should be able to handle some variance and set the limits on the UPS to 103v and 130v.

For the UPS output I'm really more concerned with the other things I have in the living room with my HTPC. I recent had the replace the bulb in my rear projection TV much earlier then expected. Now I wonder if it didn't care for the output from the UPS after it passed though the HV transformer to the bulb.
4946) Message boards : Number crunching : Where o where has the CUDA gone???? (Message 1133453)
Posted 29 Jul 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Luck of the draw? Out of my 20 some odd machines some get 0 tasks when they ask and other get work every time they ask. Just seems to be the state of the feeder at the exact moment they ask.
4947) Message boards : Number crunching : Tansferring WU to new machine? (Message 1133445)
Posted 29 Jul 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thanks for the feedback.
Half wrong, half right. Can't get WU's to be used in new directory. BOINC tasks doesn't see them.
How do I change the identity?
Thanks!

Depending on what state BOINC is in now you can either do a project detach/attach or just remove BOINC and reinstall it. Then attach to the project.

If you still have the data from the old machine intact you might be able to try again. If BOINC aborted the tasks on the new machine then you are out of luck.
4948) Message boards : Number crunching : ATI-AP-OpenCL, very high memory use (Message 1133440)
Posted 29 Jul 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Is there any chance that one could get the future boinc-client to not have the "boinc news tab" first. Put it last(to the right)

And I also want the "messages" tab back where it was. and not in "advanced/preferneces/messages" in a separate window...

Or does everyone like new "face" of 6.12.33

I am still in 6.10.60 due to this...


//TQ

I use 6.12.33 with BOINC Manager from 6.10.58
4949) Message boards : Number crunching : Folder Deleted? (Message 1133276)
Posted 29 Jul 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
So I woke up this morning and noticed my computer had restarted, so I logged back in and checked on SETI. Pretty exciting right? Except for some reason the setiathome.berkeley.edu folder was missing or deleted. I have no idea how this happened but all the WU's were gone.

Any idea what happened? There were no error msg's or anything when I logged in.
running v6.10.60 lunatics v0.38 and nvidia drivers 275.33.

Thanks in advance.

It's OK windows thought the folder was corrupt so it "fixed" it for you. :)

Often when windows does a disk scan on start up it will place things into a folder in the root of that drive. If I remember right it will be called \Lost Files\. If that is present you might be able to recover the data. However the easiest way might be to remake that folder and install the opt apps again. Then you will probably get the tasks sent to you again as resends.

I once had windows decide it needed to do a disk scan when I rebooted and it "fixed" a whole 600GB of data by nuking it all.
4950) Message boards : Number crunching : Question about CyberPower PR2200 UPS (Message 1133166)
Posted 28 Jul 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I think in the future I will spend the extra for one of those "pure sinewave" models as I just looked at the output of my UPS with my scope. The power company give me a nice neat sinewave & APC says this is a "Stepped approximation to a sinewave". It has been a few years since I got my electrical engineering degree, but when I went to school we called that a square wave.
4951) Message boards : Number crunching : Question about CyberPower PR2200 UPS (Message 1133101)
Posted 28 Jul 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Well, to the OP, if you have a big need for power protection, I'd say go with a refurb APC Symmetra.. one is one ebay right now for $3400, but that's overkill for home use. I've got one at work here, but all the batteries are dead in it and need to be replaced. I think this model has 16 batteries all together, so the price is pretty high.

To the question on the CyberPower model.. I haven't been using any of the larger CyberPower models in this range.. just APCs.. So, on paper, this model looks good but I can't personally verify it. The terminology seems to imply that t is a true sine wave inverter rather than the equivalent stepped approximation wave inverters on the APC 1300/1500s I currently use. hmm. It might be marketspeak, and not technically correct....

"Adaptive Sinewave technology solves the incompatibility issues experienced when a non-Sinewave UPS is attached to equipment using Active PFC power supplies. With pure sine wave output, an Adaptive Sinewave UPS provides continuous power output, preventing unexpected shutdowns or damaging stress when switching from AC to UPS battery power."

Other than that description, the CyberPower model looks like a good model. As long as your power constraints are met by it, then I say go for it.

This topic has got me thinking as well for my home box. I reently installed a Seasonic 750w Gold PS, replacing the CompUSA 430w one. I was able to immediately see an efficiency improvement going from a non-80+ to a 80+ Gold PS. The computer sans monitor draws 105W at idle. But, that box has an APC BackUPS Pro 1300 on it.. $150 retail, but it is listed as "Stepped approximation to a sinewave" so where did you find the Active PFC info? I'd like to see some dox on this.

Kinda makes me wanna replace my APC with that CyberPower model.


In the past a UPS would just put out a square wave when you were on batteries. Maybe whatever issue this caused is not a problem with the stepped sinewave output that everyone seems to use now.
4952) Message boards : Number crunching : Tansferring WU to new machine? (Message 1133007)
Posted 28 Jul 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The easiest way is probably:
1. Install BOINC on the new machine.
2. Close/exit BOINC on the new machine.
3. Close/exit BOINC on the old machine.
4. Copy the contents of the data folder from the old machine to the new one.
Note: The location of your data folder can very depending on the OS.
5. Start BOINC on the new machine.
6. Crunch... Crunch... Crunch...
4953) Message boards : Number crunching : Help with my laptop? (Message 1132961)
Posted 28 Jul 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have seen notebooks get in a state like this before where they would not power on. Popping the battery out and then connecting the charger often fixed the issue. Then the battery could be put back in and everything would work correctly again.

Thank you for that information. I learned something new.

Steve

Sometimes when computers are misbehaving you have to deny them power to show them who is in charge. With a notebook you just have to take an extra step to deny them power.
I have also had to do them when a notebook has locked up in a state where the power button wouldn't do anything. Without a reset button, which I have never seen on a notebook, this is sometimes the only option.
4954) Message boards : Number crunching : Help with my laptop? (Message 1132955)
Posted 28 Jul 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have seen notebooks get in a state like this before where they would not power on. Popping the battery out and then connecting the charger often fixed the issue. Then the battery could be put back in and everything would work correctly again.
4955) Message boards : Number crunching : Dream Application: Pretty please? (Message 1132953)
Posted 28 Jul 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I think this could be done by running more than one instance of BOINC. I have been thinking about doing this on one of the boxes I use. To have 3 of the 4 CPUs always running S@H Then the 4th would run S@H Beta with S@H as a backup project. One instance would be limited to 3/4 of the CPUs and the other 1/4. So hopefully it would work out like I would want. With GPUs it would be easier as there are configuration options to single out each GPU.
The documentation for BOINC says running more than one instance is supported, but I just haven't gotten around to trying it yet.

4956) Message boards : Number crunching : Question about CyberPower PR2200 UPS (Message 1132662)
Posted 27 Jul 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
My machines are only 750 watt and 580 watt not 1000. ;)

Is that the load from the outlet or just the PSU ratings? If it is just the output ratings the 750w supply could draw between 850w & 940w depending on its efficiency at full load. I would guestimate the load of your C2Q system in the 375w-450w range.

I've been doing some reading about the wattage and VA ratings, what they mean and how to calculate what you need. From my judgments I would either need a 2500VA unit which = $$$$ or two separate 900 watt units. After doing a bit more reading and now understanding what's going on the 80 watt thing was a misstatement.

It boils down to sine wave and simulated sine, an Active PFC supply, which most 'quality' 80+er's are now have an active PFC. If that's the case you need a true sin wave or when the power goes out supposedly it isn't quick enough (is that the right term?) and the computer will just die due to irregularities in power. (Or could not sure if it's so or not.)

If you mean the time it takes to switch to battery power that is normally the "transfer time" rating you will see in the specs for the device. The one you listed below switches in 4ms. The period for one cycle at 60Hz is 16.7ms or 20ms for 50Hz. With the switch time in less than 1 cycle very few pieces of equipment have problems. Computers PSUs are generally not one of them. Those $10 1200w units from fly-by-night industries might have an issue.

Due to this issue and not knowing for sure I have found a different set I think I'm going to go with, it should give either machine 5+ minutes of run time depending on what's running for me to shut them down or survive through a power blink. They aren't too cost prohibitive but are a bit more pricey a $199 a piece, meaning I'll need two.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16842102134

The way I've figured it up my main rig (Q9650/GTX480) with both 22" monitors included will need about 1325VA to sustain under load. If my reasoning is right I should pull about 10 minutes of run time out of that thing, but I'm not sure. Still researching. What do you guys think about that one?


For the infrastructure machines I run BOINC on at work I use a batch file that the UPS software runs when the batteries start to get low. Then the load lessens and the batteries lat a bit longer. Then once the power is back another file runs to have BOINC resume.
4957) Message boards : Number crunching : ATI Optimized Work Units (Message 1132651)
Posted 27 Jul 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
... those that are get snatched up fast.


Raistmer's AP-OpenCL is just too popular... and just too fast! :)

Things working to fast? Never! :D
4958) Message boards : Number crunching : ATI Optimized Work Units (Message 1132579)
Posted 27 Jul 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Yeah there hasn't been a lot of AP work for a while now. The machines that I have set to do AP work only have about 20-25 or so to chew on. right now not a lot of new APs are being generated and those that are get snatched up fast.
4959) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (51) Server problems? (Message 1132571)
Posted 27 Jul 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Don't forget that we are still in the three day "outage window", so the splitters may be down for a "real reason", not just taking a break....

None of the MB splitters are down, but for whatever reason they're just not churning out the work. Before the outage they were producing 30-50 Work Units/sec when necessary. At the moment it's less than 20/sec.
With a normal mix of work it generally takes 25-30/sec just to meet demand, let alone build up a Ready to Send buffer.

Well you should be happy now it's up to 30.5537/sec again! Looks like we are still low on work to send out at the moment though with only about 500 ready to send out.

I wonder if they ever worked out the issue they were having that was slowing everything down on the backend.
4960) Message boards : Number crunching : Question about CyberPower PR2200 UPS (Message 1132570)
Posted 27 Jul 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
So if I'm understanding that correctly I would need an UPS big enough to power my rigs for 10 hours till the battery dies? If I don't have that correct please let me know because that would be a pretty major UPS unit. (I know nothing about them other than what they are used for, never had to service/replace or buy any that's always been someone else's job!)

The reason I ask is all this conversation along with lightning and tornadoes we have had this year is making me look incredibly hard at UPS units. So far I've got something like this in mind:
http://www.costco.com/Browse/Product.aspx?Prodid=11599599&search=ups&Mo=32&cm_re=1_en-_-Top_Left_Nav-_-Top_search&lang=en-US&Nr=P_CatalogName:BC&Sp=S&N=5000043&whse=BC&Dx=mode+matchallpartial&Ntk=Text_Search&Dr=P_CatalogName:BC&Ne=4000000&D=ups&Ntt=ups&No=31&Ntx=mode+matchallpartial&Nty=1&topnav=&s=1

But I'm not sure if 1500VA/900watt would be enough or not for my machine(s). Another thing I've got in the back of my head is some manufactuers are saying systems with energy start 80+ certs need a pure sin wave versus 'whatever else there is' to be effective. Something about they don't swap over fast enough on the newer systems? So many things.


I looked though the documentation for my 80Plus power supplies and my UPS's. Neither say anything about needing a true sine wave UPS to power 80Plus certified devices. This is what Enermax has to say about using a UPS with their supplies.
If you want to add the UPS (Uninterruptible Power Supply) for your system,
please choose adequate Watts/VA capacity UPS. Ex.
	PSU Model	Suggested minimum UPS output power capacity
			(Based on efficiency & PFC at respective load)
	EPG500AWT		600W / 1000VA
	EPG600AWT		700W / 1100VA
	EPG700AWT		800W / 1200VA
* If you intend to add other appliance powered by the same UPS, such as monitor
or printer, please use higher capacity UPS according to all connected devices’ rated power draw.
* Please do not mistake VA capacity as Watts, or use insufficient power UPS.
This would result in less UPS battery runtime or the inability to power the system in battery mode.

The APC unit I have produces "Stepped approximation to a sinewave". Which I have not had a problem with over the past year or two. I am sure the older APC unit I have in the living room on my HTPC also does not produce a "pure sinewave" output.

Perhaps the PSUs are not as efficient with the stepped sinewave output or something along those lines. However for keeping the computer equipment on under load for the time specified I have not had a problem.

This past weekend was a good test of that with the power going out several times. I was watching a movie from the HTPC and I only noticed the power went out because the ceiling fan had stopped. After the 2nd or 3rd outage I turned off the receiver and paused BOINC as I wasn't sure if the batteries would be able to handle another 10-15 minutes.

At some point I want to use the old 240v line that was used for an electric dryer and run it to my main computer area. Then either get a 240v to 240v or a 240v to 120v UPS. So I will be able to get a 3000va or larger unit
4961) Message boards : Number crunching : CPU work units download stuck for 2 days? (Message 1132560)
Posted 27 Jul 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Joy!

Here's what I did. Advanceced->Preferences->Clear

This reset my preferences to global. Stopped & restarted the client and wham! All the work units downloaded. The only difference I see is that "Use GPU while computer is in use" is not checked. This computer doesn't have a CUDA GPU and I can't see how that made any difference. Anyway I'm up and running, and did not run out of work units.

Thanks for everyone's help.

Computers... sometimes you just want to toss them out a window. Glad it wants to play now.
for future reference your cc_config.xml would look something like this for the logging flags. Where 1 turns on the option and 0 turns it off.

<cc_config>
	<log_flags>
		<task>0</task>
		<file_xfer>0</file_xfer>
		<sched_ops>1</sched_ops>
		<coproc_debug>0</coproc_debug>
		<cpu_sched>0</cpu_sched>
		<cpu_sched_debug>0</cpu_sched_debug>
		<dcf_debug>0</dcf_debug>
		<sched_op_debug>0</sched_op_debug>
		<state_debug>0</state_debug>
		<http_debug>0</http_debug>
		<http_xfer_debug>0</http_xfer_debug>
	</log_flags>
	<options>
		<no_gpus>0</no_gpus>
		<allow_remote_gui_rpc>1</allow_remote_gui_rpc>
		<save_stats_days>180</save_stats_days>
	</options>
</cc_config>

Edit: Ok fine you already figure it out. :)
4962) Message boards : Number crunching : VLARs on GPU (Message 1132555)
Posted 27 Jul 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Rescheduler might just be using a higher value than the project admins picked. I am not sure what value is used on the server side to mark tasks as vlars. You will notice their name as 08ap11al.26544.18472.11.10.102.vlar_1 instead of 08ap11al.26544.18472.11.10.102._1. I think they picked the AR higher then the value where the Nvidia GPUs were having problems processing. So those tasks with vlar in their name shouldn't be assigned to your GPU.

I made the decision a while back to just download work for the CPU and reassign it to the GPU to keep it busy. With the slower Nvidia GPU in the system I only have to reschedule once or twice a week.

ATI cards don't seem to have issues with VLARs if have considered getting one of those to crunch with.
4963) Message boards : Number crunching : CPU work units download stuck for 2 days? (Message 1132255)
Posted 26 Jul 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I'm unable to get work CPU work units for 2 days. GPU tasks downloaded ok in the same time frame. Work units are stuck in "Downloading" status. 0 KB transferred and speed is always 0 KBps. Downloads time out and retry and always no progress.

Checking the server status page shows that download servers, anakin & vader, are up. Upload server, bruno, is shown disabled but uploads work fine here.

Is this a temporary server problem or has my boinc gone bonkers?

The servers can be up and doing their best and still have slow/stuck downloads. You may have heard mention of the cricket graph. Having a look at it you will notice that the bandwidth had been maxed out for a while. The green shows traffic going out of the lab to the world. The dip in activity today was during the servers being down for weekly maintenance.
If your machine is on 24/7 the downloads should get taken care of eventually. If you only have it on during a limited time you may have to resort to hitting the retry button on the download tab to get them to complete.

Sometimes it can be luck of the draw if some of them download while others stay stuck.
4964) Message boards : Number crunching : credits and workunits: a fair system needed for Boinc (Message 1132228)
Posted 26 Jul 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Results received:		93865
Total CPU time:			98.567 years
Average CPU time per work unit:	9 hr 11 min 55.7 sec 	

Such system works only if each WU takes (almost) exactly the same amount of time, otherwise it leads to cherry picking and does not at all tells how much one actually did for the project, or at least far less than the current cradit system.

That is true & why I shared my thoughts on how a weighted system might work in my first message in this thread. This second message was more just explaining how I liked to use the old numbers for stats/benchmarks.

Someone could come to the same numbers with an old machine while crunching only shorties while other one, who crunches everything that comes would need a lot faster machine to get the same numbers, specially with APs between. Looking at the numbers, you could think both did the same for the project even if the first one has done not even half of what the other did.

The current system would be OK so far, if it was not a random credit generator, that should be fixed of course. Should not be too difficult, for example if taking AR into account one could set boundaries where the credit is expected, that would eliminate things like 0 or even negative credits or 10000+ credits for AP WUs and so on.

I would not change any of the anti cherry picking checks or other things currently in place. It is just about the numbers they show us for the work we have done.
I like the Application details that were added, and I think APR could be a good benchmark for system/application performance between machines. However it seems like it could still use a bit more work. Right now it just seems like an arbitrary number and doesn't mean much to me. Other then it is generally high on faster machines, sometimes.
4965) Message boards : Number crunching : Question about CyberPower PR2200 UPS (Message 1132210)
Posted 26 Jul 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I like the APC Smart UPS, but only 865 watts

http://www.apc.com/products/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=BR1500G

Fry's frequently has these on sale, plus rebate for about 120 bucks. Haven't lost one yet, but I've lost four older models with the dreaded overload fault.

I have the best buy version of that unit. The difference is the model number is BX1500G instead of BR1500G.
Slavac,
If you want to support 1000w you will probably need at least a 1600va UPS or larger. To get a quick rough estimate for how many watts the smaller home UPS systems can provide you can use 60% of its VA rating. For a 1000va unit I would expect a rating of around 600w. With the larger/commercial units it can be more like 90%.

If I needed to keep a 1000w load up I would go for either the Smart 2200 or Start On-line 2200. Yes they are expensive, but so it all of that hardware you are trying to protect.
4966) Message boards : Number crunching : credits and workunits: a fair system needed for Boinc (Message 1131875)
Posted 25 Jul 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I do miss the old days of seeing how much CPU time I had contributed.
Seeing the stats as:
Results received:		93865
Total CPU time:			98.567 years
Average CPU time per work unit:	9 hr 11 min 55.7 sec 	

This gave me several goals to work towards. One of the big ones I was working on was an average time under 10 hours. I was hoping to end with 100,000 wu's and 100 years of CPU time, but I missed that mark.

With the current credit system(s) I can really only work towards credit number goals. Like "try to make these machines to make 100,000 credits this month". Which doesn't really tell me how much work the machine is doing, just that it gets granted that amount of credit.

Maybe they could implement these values again. Not to replace the current credit system, but to give us something else to track for fun. I imagine not all of this information has been stored since the switch over to BOINC. SO they would have to pick an arbitrary date to implement it. Much liek they do for the change in the credit system(s).
4967) Message boards : Number crunching : credits and workunits: a fair system needed for Boinc (Message 1131791)
Posted 25 Jul 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Personally I liked the old system of counting the number of tasks a system did. I can think of a "credit system" that would work for S@H, but I don't know how it work work for other projects.
With this project tasks in the .42 AR are "normal" with higher and lower AR taking more or less time. So credit in the "normal range would be 1. Then as the AR get closer to each side of the VLAR and VHAR credits would be higher and lower. With 0.01 being the lower cap and an appropriate value being the high cap. Perhaps 2.0 being the max would be a good artificial limit, but whatever number it might be should be based on some kind of scale that someone without a degree in mathematics can figure out in a few minutes.

I imagine most BOINC projects wouldn't work for a system like this. That is why they came up with a very complex system that few understand. That way no one can tell if it is actually working. :)
4968) Message boards : Number crunching : Record AP? (Message 1131784)
Posted 25 Jul 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
What does APR do and what can I do to lower it and what will happen when It gets lower....
Anyone know of this....

I have an APR of 600+ and saw some other posts here that said that 69 was too high....??!??

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/host_app_versions.php?hostid=5904624

//TQ

Your Average Processing Rate is calculated by the server. If you have a bunch of work with noise in it. So it gets processed & returned quickly your APR might go up to an abnormally high level. Then during this time you and your wingpersons may get granted higher than average credit for the work you are returning. In time the value will sort of correct itself.

So while it is high just enjoy the extra credits. :)
4969) Message boards : Number crunching : HEATWAVE SHUTDOWN!! (Message 1131225)
Posted 24 Jul 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I had to open my window by an extra 3/4" today! ;-)

Oooooh careful, you might get frostbite :-)



No chance, I've taken precautions; I have my fingerless mittens and bobble hat on!

I hate you and your cool weather ;-) I have shut down new tasks and only crunching the cache at night during the lower temps. As soon as they are done I am done for a bit. The AC units as straining and only mange a 15 degree F delta inside to outside.

The 24 year old A/C in my place knows what you are talking about. With it in the mid 90's I was only seeing 81ºF in my place. Today I did some thinking and turned off the ceiling fan in my living room. So all the hot air that build up in the loft over the living room stayed up there instead of being circulated around. I managed a respectable 76ºF while it was 102ºF out today.
I was thinking about setting up all of my crunchers up in the loft, but the thermal nature of my place indicates that would be a bad idea.
4970) Message boards : Number crunching : Hyper-threading on i7-2600 (Message 1130864)
Posted 23 Jul 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Sorry if this is a repeat. My i7-2600 is a 4 core machine. However it has hyper-threading so it works like (and reports) it has 8 cores. My questionis, since there are really only 4 cores, will my seti outout improve if I turn off hyper-threading because of decreased "overhead" in sharing the cores?
Basically what I am asking is will each task more than double in speed, allowing me to complete more tasks in total?

I don't have experience with the newest CPUs yet, but HT has proven to be a gain when I have tested with with P4's and previous i7's. For the newer processors it seems that with HT on the memory bandwidth can get saturated more quickly when crunching with a lot of GPUs and such. Tasks don't normally double in time with HT on. Most like if they ran 3 hrs with HT off then you might see 4-5 hrs with HT on.

You could also switch from the standard application to the optimized ones from the lunatics guys to get more bang for your processing buck.
4971) Message boards : Number crunching : Best cmdline settings for OpenCL apps (how to find)? (Message 1130616)
Posted 22 Jul 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
In which case, you're starting from exactly the same position as everyone else, and you can contribute to finding the solution.


AP OpenCL app for ATI/AMD is not new.

AFAIK, the AP OpenCL apps for ATI/AMD and nVIDIA are very similar.

Other people could have experiences.


- Best regards! - Sutaru Tsureku, team seti.international founder. - Optimize your PC for higher RAC. - SETI@home needs your help. -


Astropulse for ATI/AMD is not OpenCL, it is Brook. Completely different animal.

I thought the newer ATI AP app for the 4800+ cards was Open CL like the MB app & the Hybrid ATI AP was brook
4972) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (51) Server problems? (Message 1130612)
Posted 22 Jul 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
What the heck have they done to Carolyn, and who is taking her place?


My guess for the reason of this outage was a heatwave, combined with a failed AC-unit in the server closet.

I thought about that yesterday & checked the weather for Berkeley. They are getting highs in the upper 60's °F all week. Not to say something could not have overheated. I am sure their A/C runs year round as it does in my test lab at work.



Well, we did have the a/c go down last year....

Indeed. The A/C in my test lab goes down at least once a year since it runs nearly 24/7/365. Last year they had to put in a new compressor and a new condenser coil.
4973) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (51) Server problems? (Message 1130607)
Posted 22 Jul 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
What the heck have they done to Carolyn, and who is taking her place?


My guess for the reason of this outage was a heatwave, combined with a failed AC-unit in the server closet.

I thought about that yesterday & checked the weather for Berkeley. They are getting highs in the upper 60's °F all week. Not to say something could not have overheated. I am sure their A/C runs year round as it does in my test lab at work.
4974) Message boards : Number crunching : HEATWAVE SHUTDOWN!! (Message 1130601)
Posted 22 Jul 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
My parents in OK were telling me about how they have been "enjoying" the 100+'s for the past few weeks without any rain. So they decided to send some of it up here to me in the Philly/S. Joisie area. Feel free to blame them :)
At the moment, 2:30pm, wunderground is reporting 105.7°F with an index of 117°F for us.
Last night my A/C ran until 11:30 when I shut it off to rest for a bit & it had only gotten down to 76°F inside. So for today I elected to shut everything down until Sunday when it is only supposed to be 99°F out.
4975) Message boards : Number crunching : Could 6.12.33 be the cause for my invalids? (Message 1130493)
Posted 21 Jul 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
You are also trashing a lot of units at beta as i noticed.

That's right...as I said my first post.

I forgot to change my settings to the same as your last night. Today I changed to <cmdline>-period_iterations_num 12 -instances_per_device 1</cmdline> and everything looks like it has been going along fine. When I get home from work tonight I'll bump up to 14 and see what happens. If that goes OK I will upgrade to Cat 11.5 like you are using.
4976) Message boards : Number crunching : evgaPercision (Message 1130444)
Posted 21 Jul 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
well no joy on even the lowest ver. guess the card is to old to use the program. MSI 5700LE.

tried to use gpuz but it keeps telling me its not a valid win 32 application .

Microsoft's VS2010 makes applications which aren't compatible with Win2k, we'll see a lot more of that as time goes on. It's official release date was 12 April 2010, so looking for applications released before then gives a good chance of compatibility (though there were VS2010 Betas and RCs for a year before release).

For GPU-Z the older versions are still available for download from http://www.techpowerup.com/downloads/SysInfo/GPU-Z/old/, I just checked that the 0.4.2 version from 8 April 2010 does run on my Win2k laptop. LoL, the first thing it'll do when you start it is recommend getting a newer version...
                                                                   Joe

I have all of the 4.x and 5.x version archived on my systems. I was able to use up to GPUz 4.9 on a W2K system.
4977) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (51) Server problems? (Message 1130378)
Posted 21 Jul 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Here's from one of my logs...
Tue 19 Jul 2011 11:20:44 PM CDT SETI@home Requesting new tasks
Tue 19 Jul 2011 11:21:19 PM CDT SETI@home Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks
Tue 19 Jul 2011 11:21:19 PM CDT SETI@home Message from server: Project has no tasks available
I've been seeing this more and more lately, "Message from server: Project has no tasks available" but the server page shows :

Results ready to send 240,657 8,178 0m
Current result creation rate 1.6229/sec 0.5518/sec 5m

:/

When you get this message and there is work to send out it just means the feeder queue is empty in the moment you asked. The feeder only holds something like 100 tasks. IIRC it only fills its queue up every few seconds.

Since work was hard to come by for a while a lot of machines have their queues run down. So it is a big fight to get work at the moment. Some of my faster machines are at about half of their queue.
4978) Message boards : Number crunching : Could 6.12.33 be the cause for my invalids? (Message 1130277)
Posted 21 Jul 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
try period_interation 10 or 12 instead

I don't know what good that will do after trying several differnt values already...anyway, it didn't change a thing.
Neiter did Lunatics reinstallation.

For my Sapphire HD5750 with 1GB I use: -instances_per_device 1 -unroll 12 -ffa_block 8192 -ffa_block_fetch 4096

AstroPulse is working fine so far, the problem is only with MultiBeam.

*bonks head* right. I guess my mind was somewhere else.
I have been using -period_iterations_num 5 for MB. I'll try your setting of -period_iterations_num 14 later tonight and see what happens. Maybe that value is jsut a bit to much for these cards. We shall see.
4979) Message boards : Number crunching : Could 6.12.33 be the cause for my invalids? (Message 1130200)
Posted 20 Jul 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Neither -period_iterations_num 2 (or other values) nor downgrading to Cat 11.2/SDK2.3 seem to make any difference.

I've got the HD5750 which has only 9 Compute Units @ 700 MHz.

For my Sapphire HD5750 with 1GB I use: -instances_per_device 1 -unroll 12 -ffa_block 8192 -ffa_block_fetch 4096

I was using 11.2 without any computing problems. However, I have gone back to 10.12 due to a weird HDMI issue I have with the 11.x drivers.
4980) Message boards : Number crunching : Question about CyberPower PR2200 UPS (Message 1130107)
Posted 20 Jul 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Don't forget that most UPS take between 10 and 100 times as long to recharge as they do discharge and they shutdown when the battery gets below a certain level of charge not a given run time this allows them to cope with variable loads.

I've got a couple of Yum-cha UPSs, 1500VA. They use 2*9AH batteries.
On one UPS i've replaced those with a couple of mid range car batteries. With a 40% load the run time is over 4 hours, however it takes about 4-5 days to recharge the batteries.
The UPS charge crcuit just provides a float charge to keep the batteries fully charged. It would appear from the charge times that the output of that circuit is *very* current limited.

One place I worked we had UPS systems from Best Power. They use large lead acid batteries in the semi standard boat/car size. So when they original batteries started to go I ordered deep cycle marine batteries of the same capacity for replacements. They were a lot cheaper then the $300-$400 a piece the manufacture wanted.

The first time I did this instead of matching the batteries capacity I got the largest capacity battery that would fit in the enclosure, about a 2' cube for a 1KVA unit. It was a mistake in that case as it ended up burning out the charging circuit.

Also try to avoid turning additional loads on while running on a UPS as the start up load might cause the UPS to do an overload trip even though the final static load is well within the UPS's capability.

CRT monitors are great for that.

What are these "CRT monitors" of which you speak? :) </sarcasm>
4981) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (50) Server problems? (Message 1129851)
Posted 19 Jul 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Oh neat everything save for the science database and the up/download boxes are OTL.
4982) Message boards : Number crunching : Question about CyberPower PR2200 UPS (Message 1129850)
Posted 19 Jul 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
My tri gtx295 pulls about 1050 - 1100 from the wall. I really only want to get over the flickers from thunder storms. 11 min would be fine, with about 5min for a shut down. Does anyone have one of these units to talk about charging efficiency.

You can get all of the units specs from the manufactures website.
With that units rated half/full run times of 12/4 minutes you might want to use any management software that came with it. Then you could have it automagically stop BOINC when the power reserves were low and then start it back up when the power returned.
While the batteries might hold up for 10-15 minutes the rest of the UPS might not be designed to do so. I would guess that with a 2U rack unit like this the inverter starts to heat up pretty quickly in such a small space.
4983) Message boards : Number crunching : unusually high CPU run times (Message 1129695)
Posted 19 Jul 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I might have it backwards, but IIRC higher blanking = more CPU time. The only two I have to compare right now are 0.00 and 2.39. Which spent 1.83% and 14.25% of their time on the CPU.

Edit: Oh right that is what Claggy said 3 or 4 message ago...
4984) Message boards : Number crunching : Win 7 Keyboard Shortcuts (Message 1129667)
Posted 19 Jul 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
You could also setup batch files and place shortcuts on the taskbar for each function. Then in the shortcut you can define whatever shortcut keys you would like.
Command line text for reboot and shutdown with 0 delay.
shutdown -r -t 0
shutdown -s -t 0
4985) Message boards : Number crunching : Question about CyberPower PR2200 UPS (Message 1129363)
Posted 18 Jul 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Most of the UPS's these days are of the switched type. The only time they run the inverter and/or charge the batteries is when the controller says so. Nothing wrong with this. The <1ms switch over time is fine for almost anything these days.

The run time for your UPS, like most, is just a few minutes at full load. If you need to soak up more then 5-10 minute brown/black outs you would want to invest in an extended run time unit. Where you can purchase extra batteries. Normally the cheaper option is just to get a larger size unit than you need for more run time.
4986) Message boards : Number crunching : google sidewiki (Message 1129355)
Posted 18 Jul 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
don't forget you are running IE9 which is still a bit sketchy

I'd say all browsers have their own sketchiness.
On the plus side? I couldn't even get the Google toolbar to install/work in Firefox on the machine I was playing around with. My general view is "anything buy IE". As most attacks seem to still be directed at the flaws in it. So the fewer things to try and take over the machine & take away processing time from the S@H the better.
4987) Message boards : Number crunching : google sidewiki (Message 1129271)
Posted 18 Jul 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I just played with it to see what it was doing. After uninstalling the toolbar it left this in the registry.
[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\MenuExt\Google Sidewiki...]
@="res://C:\\Program Files (x86)\\Google\\Google Toolbar\\Component\\GoogleToolbarDynamic_mui_en_43C348BC2E93EB2B.dll/cmsidewiki.html"
"Contexts"=dword:00000013

After removing the key under MenuExt the entry was gone from the menu.
4988) Message boards : Number crunching : google sidewiki (Message 1129242)
Posted 18 Jul 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
so I have to put it in and turn it lose to take it out??

AUGH!!!!!

That is probably the easiest thing to try first. The next step would be regedit or such.
4989) Message boards : Number crunching : google sidewiki (Message 1129234)
Posted 18 Jul 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I had the google toolbar (and everything google) disabled. It does creep back in via adobe(read carefully your updates, it re-installs). However Now I have deleted the toolbar after this mess, and I am STILL getting what I posted an image of.

I want a clean browser back. How can I get it without re-installing my entire OS??

Try running the install for this add-on and then see if there is a remove option.
4990) Message boards : Number crunching : google sidewiki (Message 1129233)
Posted 18 Jul 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Several things these days install these $%#$%@ toolbars w/o your permission these days.
Adobe Reader for example tries to do this by not loading the check box to deselect the toolbar for a few seconds when you go to download it. If you click the button to download as soon as it looks like the page has loaded. Then you are getting an installer with the toolbar.
4991) Message boards : Number crunching : Welcome to the 11 year club (Message 1129206)
Posted 18 Jul 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
What about the 12 year club?

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=64017
4992) Message boards : Number crunching : Credit (Message 1129200)
Posted 18 Jul 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
new behavior for SETI@home Enhanced?
got -0.06 Credits for 4,539.72 CPU Time (yes, there is a minus before the Credit)
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/workunit.php?wuid=785199775

My Wingman uses SETI@home Enhanced v6.10 (cuda_fermi) and has lot of these results
Astropulse v505 has normal Credits

That machine has 1 task from the 14th that was given about 100 credits while they were using 6.13.0. After that they are all negative credit. At least they are only very small negative with "-0.26" the largest value I found.
Perhaps this has shown an issue with the credit new system.
4993) Message boards : Number crunching : Seti-Enhanced on Ati: some WU have a very low GPU-load, often end as error (Message 1129177)
Posted 18 Jul 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
So how is 10.12 for crunching in Win7 64-bit?

Should go, but you need to load OpenCL SDK manually.

Sounds good.
Also while I was board at work today I made a version cheat sheet to make it easier to find out what version of what people are using.
As a disclaimer I used Windows 7 64-bit to get all the version info. So if there is something different between OS drivers I'll have to look into that.

When you have time, can you expand your cheat sheet down to Cat 10.7 please,

Claggy

I went ahead and went back to 9.2. Versions before that don't seem to include any CAL stuff. So whenever someone has an ATI CAL driver showing it should be easy to tell which driver set they have installed.
4994) Message boards : Number crunching : Seti-Enhanced on Ati: some WU have a very low GPU-load, often end as error (Message 1129016)
Posted 17 Jul 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
So how is 10.12 for crunching in Win7 64-bit?

Should go, but you need to load OpenCL SDK manually.

Sounds good.
Also while I was board at work today I made a version cheat sheet to make it easier to find out what version of what people are using.
As a disclaimer I used Windows 7 64-bit to get all the version info. So if there is something different between OS drivers I'll have to look into that.

When you have time, can you expand your cheat sheet down to Cat 10.7 please,

Claggy

I had thought about doing that before, but didn't out of laziness. When I get into work Monday I'll get them all sorted out on a clean ghostable machine.
4995) Message boards : Number crunching : Hyper Threading question (Message 1128869)
Posted 17 Jul 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
With HT on and off you may get slightly different benchmarks in BOINC. Also the version of BOINC will give you different benchmarks. I did some tests with 6.10.58 a while back to answer a question someone had.
Back when the HT processors first came out in the classic Seti@Home days HT was found to be give you a benefit of 25-30% depending on the work received. Since the one you have is a newer generation Prescott there are some enhancements to HT they made that are should to make it a greater benefit.
As hbomber mentioned memory speed has been found to help HT performance, at least on the newer Core ix processors. So depending on the motherboard you have you could try pushing the memory and FSB to their limits.
4996) Message boards : Number crunching : problem with gpu only at 30% usage (Message 1128361)
Posted 16 Jul 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
do i have to do this all the time

Only until your GPU's APR's have lowered to the hundreds, have a look at my APR's for comparison.

Not sure if the rescheduler fixes Astropulse -177's, you got another 9 tasks to validate there before the server scales the rsc values for ATI AP app,

Claggy

Unless Fred's rescheduler has been reworked from versions I have, it does not look at AP WUs at all, reschedule them, or include them in the WU counts that it reports. Whether it would rework them to fix -177s I doubt, but am not certain.

If you put http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/ and astropulse_v505 into the 'Other' tab then it will reschedule them ;-) But to which GPU of mine it'll do it to, i'm not so sure (ATI or Nvidia)

Claggy

Have you tried selecting ATI in the preferred use drop down? I don't have any machines with both so I have only seen CUDA or ATI in there.
4997) Message boards : Number crunching : AP validaters working???? (RED ALERT) (Message 1128358)
Posted 16 Jul 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Update on the update - 45,590
(But AP assimilators 3-6 not running just now)

AP validation queue now at 211,018


(Do AP results take more validation effort than MB results? - My guess is they do)

Probably slightly less, IMO. The amount of computation involved is trivial in either case, the BOINC database load is identical. So the difference would come down to the size of the result files which have to be fetched from storage, and AP result files average smaller than MB.

Because the "Results returned and awaiting validation" shows those waiting for the wingmate's return plus those waiting for a validator plus those not yet assimilated, it's hard to interpret. The "Workunits waiting for assimilation" is clear.

The first two ap_assimilators are set up like the first two validators, to handle "astropulse" or "astropulse_v5" cases although there should be none. The ap_assimilator3 through ap_assimilator6 each handle a quarter of the "astropulse_v505" load, based on the remainder when the workunit ID is divided by 4. IOW, all four of those assimilators must run to actually get the "Workunits waiting for assimilation" cleared out. And unlike splitters, they shouldn't go to "Not running" state for lack of something to do, they are designed to sleep for a short period and then check again whether there's something to do.
                                                               Joe

I have notice 4-6 keep going offline, but fix_ap_assimilator1keps running. Maybe they worked out some automated process to clear the problematic tasks?
4998) Message boards : Number crunching : What is VLAR ? (Message 1128356)
Posted 16 Jul 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I am getting vlars on my Seti app by Dotsch on my Solaris Virtual Machine but not on the Lunatics app on my Linux host.
Tullio

VLARs on CPUs are not a problem. You could see them on any machine. Right now I have 0 VLAR tasks on my machines at home.
4999) Message boards : Number crunching : GTX 560ti Users: Information Needed (Message 1128183)
Posted 16 Jul 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Yeah I just read that in the Intel design guide myself. Even doing it like I did most of the noise was still within the limits, but tossing in a few caps in there would probably clean it up a lot.
I'm just more accustomed to dealing with specs of "max ripple 2mv". It would seem PC hardware is designed to take quite a large variance.
It would be interesting to test supply liens with various cards under load & see what is really going on there. Makes me wish I still had my Techtronix 100MHz digital LCD storage scope.
5000) Message boards : Number crunching : AP validaters working???? (RED ALERT) (Message 1128174)
Posted 16 Jul 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
We now officially have 0 AP WUs awaiting validation!!!!
Can we say yay?

60,268 waiting for assimilation....let's see how that goes.


It does not seem to go well at all. AP assimilation is not keeping up. It was down there for a while to around 56,000, but now it's raising again, it's 57,720 as of now.


ap_assimilator6 is back online and we are down to 53,733. So making headway again!
5001) Message boards : Number crunching : GTX 560ti Users: Information Needed (Message 1128165)
Posted 16 Jul 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:


I couldn't lock onto the ripples with the triggering on my scope. The best I was able to do was getting them to run across the screen slow enough for a photo. Overall it doesn't look to bad for me, but it does look like there is a funky harmonic generating 300mv spikes around 150-160Hz. I might have to do something about it now that I know it is there...

LOL....
NOW you are talking geeky....and it's gonna bug the heck out of you now that you know it's there.

Then I did something stupid. I started looking at the outputs on my other machines. *shivers* I've put my scope away now "there is no ripple...there is no ripple..."
5002) Message boards : Number crunching : GTX 560ti Users: Information Needed (Message 1128162)
Posted 16 Jul 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
HP 120B scope at 2ms & 100mv. ATI HD4870 & Enermax 525w Pro82+. Readings taken off of a spare PCIe connector. Click on them for larger versions.


Hmm Interesting, thanks. No idea what effect those high frequency spikes would do, I'd imagine not much directly, but it certainly explains why the ferrites might be there on the new Ax1200. Aside from the peaks, the ripply harmonic looking bits look like about half a division period, so ~1ms, or 1KHz. Capacitors would age faster than if those ripply bits weren't there I reckon. Might explain some of the reasons why higher grade & capacity PSUs are recommended though the GPUs themselves don't draw that much.

Yeah probably we're headed into geek territory alright, where it'll matter only to those trying to squeeze every bit of performance out, but it's good to know there are reasons for the PSU differences that can be measured.

Jason

This is my most power hungry card at 150w. I am guessing with cards that draw more power it might be even more pronounced.

I couldn't lock onto the ripples with the triggering on my scope. The best I was able to do was getting them to run across the screen slow enough for a photo. Overall it doesn't look to bad for me, but it does look like there is a funky harmonic generating 300mv spikes around 150-160Hz. I might have to do something about it now that I know it is there...
5003) Message boards : Number crunching : GTX 560ti Users: Information Needed (Message 1128158)
Posted 16 Jul 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Could be interesting....but be careful, pretty crowded on those boards, easy to short something out.

So watch where you're stickin' yer probe.

Hmmm yeah there is a bit of noise getting generated by the GPUs.

HP 120B scope at 2ms & 100mv. ATI HD4870 & Enermax 525w Pro82+. Readings taken off of a spare PCIe connector. Click on them for larger versions.

So this is already coming out of the GPU and going through the PSU to a spare output connector?
Would be interesting to see what adding some ferrite beads to the PCI-E power connectors at the GPU would do.....

I did some looking around, but I cannot find any supplier so far that has picked up on this phenomenon and is producing a plug-in adapter for this.
If I had the time and money, I would jump on this right away. You could produce these things for real cheap....and what geek in his own right mind would not spend $5.00 each for a couple to plug into their prized GPUs?
You'd have to do some research, of course, to get the right ferrite that worked at the frequencies involved.

Amidon is a company I dealt with years ago that offered ferrite beads that responded at different frequencies.
It appears they are still in business and offer online ordering if anybody wants to play 'engineer for a day'.

All of my PCIe power cables are the 6+2P connector type. The card has two 6P connectors. So I connected to the spare +2 bit. All 4 power wires on each connector run back to the supply. Touching the probe to the solder joints on the back of the card gave very similar readings, but lacked anything to clip onto so I could take a photo.
Also I did make sure this wasn't just PSU noise by loading up the CPU & GPU separately.
5004) Message boards : Number crunching : GTX 560ti Users: Information Needed (Message 1128140)
Posted 16 Jul 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Could be interesting....but be careful, pretty crowded on those boards, easy to short something out.

So watch where you're stickin' yer probe.

Hmmm yeah there is a bit of noise getting generated by the GPUs.

HP 120B scope at 2ms & 100mv. ATI HD4870 & Enermax 525w Pro82+. Readings taken off of a spare PCIe connector. Click on them for larger versions.
5005) Message boards : Number crunching : GTX 560ti Users: Information Needed (Message 1128071)
Posted 15 Jul 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

I could see them being needed for some of those high end cards tho. With the massive DC to DC supplies the high end cards have on there they probably start kicking out a bit of noise. I would hope the card manufacture would take care of that on the card.

You would hope.......
Just think. By adding a few cents worth of ferrite to the boards, they could advertise......
"Our new DC input stabilization circuitry insures better computer stability at either stock or highly overclocked speeds."

But space is really at a premium on most high end cards, and one thing that ferrite is NOT, is small. It takes a certain amount of the material to have enough effect.

Although I could see an aftermarket for plug in ferrite filter adapters that would go between the card and the PSU connecting plug.

Looking at my cards I do see a fair number of those 1/2" square ferrite chokes on the PCB. So it looks like Sapphire is taking some steps. How effective they are remains to be seen. I might roll out my old HP scope and have a look.
5006) Message boards : Number crunching : GTX 560ti Users: Information Needed (Message 1128065)
Posted 15 Jul 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
My new PSU has ferrite chokes on the PCIe 12V connectors at the GPU end. I take that as a big warning sign that GPUs might be capable of trashing the 12V rails beyond load regulation limits of some power supplies

Or it's just more advertising gimmickry.
Chokes down there will just stop electrical noise (of the appropriate frequency) from the video card making it's way back into the PSU. Or any noise picked up in the long power leads from getting into the video card.
Or most likely, it looks impressive.

In any case, it can't hurt....and Corsair must have had a reason for adding them other than looking cool. Ferrite is pretty cheap. Might have to do some Googleing on this to see if there is any other info out there.

Or they started doing it for marketing reasons. We now include them with all of our products. Some customers complained that we were only including them with the larger devices. Which was due to a silly reason they were only needed there.

I could see them being needed for some of those high end cards tho. With the massive DC to DC supplies the high end cards have on there they probably start kicking out a bit of noise. I would hope the card manufacture would take care of that on the card.
5007) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (50) Server problems? (Message 1128060)
Posted 15 Jul 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Things are looking seriously borked at the moment.
Upload status shows green, but no uploads are going through. There's no work to be split for MB. Outbound network traffic is maxed out- but i'm not sure by what- maybe AP? However there's only a couple of units ready to send & very little being split and most of the AP assimilators aren't running.


EDIT- looks like some uploads are going through, the only problem is i'm producing them faster than they can be returned & the queue just continues to grow.

AP work always chews up the pipe. The data is about 20 times larger, but only takes 4 or 5 times as long to process on a CPU. With the GPU AP apps it makes the ratio of work size to processing time even larger.

As always crunch am if you got em. They will get back home eventually.
5008) Message boards : Number crunching : AP validaters working???? (RED ALERT) (Message 1128036)
Posted 15 Jul 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Good job there Synergy! The only AP tasks I have pending now are waiting for quorum.
5009) Message boards : Number crunching : Lunatics crew members should join teams? (Message 1128024)
Posted 15 Jul 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I was in contact with someone of the Lunatics crew about if he would like to join seti.international .

He said he couldn't, because that might not look good if he would be in a team.

It looks like the S@h members don't care about.

O.K., thanks.

If someone wants to join a team or not it is their personal decision to do so. For the most part I don't have a clue as to who is on what team at any given time. I wouldn't see any developer joining a team as favoritism. Some of the S2H guys are members of teams, some are not.

I only I see a team as a place where like minded people group together.
5010) Message boards : Number crunching : evgaPercision (Message 1127518)
Posted 14 Jul 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Will this help?
EVGA Precision 2.0.3
EVGA Precision 2.0.2
EVGA Precision 2.0.1
EVGA Precision 2.0.0
EVGA Precision 1.9.6
EVGA Precision 1.9.5
EVGA Precision 1.9.4
EVGA Precision 1.9.3
5011) Message boards : Number crunching : 500 Internal Server Error (Message 1127514)
Posted 14 Jul 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Is there a procedure to upgrade the current installation to a new(est) version?

Normally the upgrade procedure is the same as the installation procedure. Except you would stop need to stop BOINC then run the install for an upgrade. Then the next time you start up it up you will see a new line the first time that looks like:
25-Mar-2011 10:55:39 [---] Version change (6.10.43 -> 6.10.58)
5012) Message boards : Number crunching : BOINC Screensaver Diagnostic error (Message 1127427)
Posted 14 Jul 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hmmmm ... I don't have any boinc.scr files anywhere on either computer. I am not running the stock application. I am running the Lunatics x38g optimized app on both machines. One machine is running Win7 64 bit and the other is running XP Pro 32bit.

Keith

The projects and/or application you run for those projects shouldn't really effect how BOINC runs.

I don't recall if the scr file is set as a hidden file or not. On the XP system it would normally be C:\Windows\boinc.scr. If you don't have your system(s) set to show hidden files that could be the cause of not seeing it.

Jord indicated in their earlier message this is a known issue & will be fixed. There should be some kind of workaround before then I would expect. Rerunning the install over the top of what you have might be a solution as well. It is hard to say. Computers have lots of variables.
5013) Message boards : Number crunching : AP for NV GPUs started on Lunatics (Message 1127426)
Posted 14 Jul 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
So what is going to be the release mechanism for the NV AP app? Is it going to be standalone or bundled into the general Lunatics installer?

Keith

Probably stand alone until the next unified installer build. It was several months before the ATI apps were integrated.
5014) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (50) Server problems? (Message 1127319)
Posted 13 Jul 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

Just noticed the inbound traffic is slowly climbing upwards. Had a look at the Ready to Send buffer & it's shrunk to nothing again. Once again the splitters just aren't cranking up to meet demand.
There's data to split, but the demand's just not being met.

YAY! Now maybe all those pending downloads will be able to finish.
5015) Message boards : Number crunching : How are people acheiving the super high RACs? (Message 1127237)
Posted 13 Jul 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
So did I read correctly that even if I am not running any GPUs I should still install the Lunatics package because it is optimised for number crunching?

Yes
5016) Message boards : Number crunching : AP validaters working???? (RED ALERT) (Message 1127201)
Posted 13 Jul 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I know this thread is about a week old but has there been any resolution to this problem. Almost all my AP WU's have been validated by a wingman but they just sit in my AP pendings. And I really wish something would happen as my slowest computer seems to get the most APs, the last taking just over 90 hours to complete. I would hate to think this was wasted time.

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/results.php?userid=142985&offset=0&show_names=0&state=0&appid=5


The link you have there only works for you btw.

However I looked at your machines and most of your AP tasks are in the state of "Completed, waiting for validation". Which mean they have NOT been validated. While they have a 2nd results turned in they will have to be checked by the server to see if they match. With the validators running slow it is just a matter of having to wait.
5017) Message boards : Number crunching : BOINC Screensaver Diagnostic error (Message 1127182)
Posted 13 Jul 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
If you are not using the screen saver you could try renaming or removing boinc.scr. boinc.sc_ would probably be a sufficient name change. That would at least point to the issue if it was causing this.
5018) Message boards : Number crunching : 500 Internal Server Error (Message 1127180)
Posted 13 Jul 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Woops... never mind. I got 6.10, so max_tasks_reported cannot be used.

http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Client_configuration is the link to the info the the config if you need it.

I see there is no 6.12.xx on the recommended download list. Looking at the download site I do see boinc_6.12.33_i686-pc-linux-gnu.sh and boinc_6.12.33_x86_64-pc-linux-gnu.sh. There could be good reasons these are not recommended, but they are there to try if you wish.

If you use the GUI on your linux machine you will notice there are been some changes with 6.12.xx. The messages tab is hidden so you have to access it from Advanced > Event Log. On windows I use 6.12.33, but I kept the old boinc.dll & boincmgr.exe to retain the older interface. I'm not sure what the equivalent files might be for the linux installation.
5019) Message boards : Number crunching : Nvidia code 43 (Message 1126923)
Posted 12 Jul 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
It has been running fine since the reinstall of the drivers, so I hope it was just a one time error :)

I have seen weirdness like this on devices before. Where they just suddenly stop working correctly for what seems like no reason. I figure it must just be the gremlins in there getting bored. :)
5020) Message boards : Number crunching : RAC Matrix? (Message 1126839)
Posted 11 Jul 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I'm not sure about using RAC for comparison. However, think having a comprehensive cards with graphs of WU AR vs time would be nice. One thing that complicates this is that different versions of applications and drivers can produce different results. Also the newer cards can run 2 or 3 instances at once on a single GPU.

Here is one example of some tests that were done by Sutaru using a few versions of apps and drivers to find out the combination that worked best on their machine(s).

Maybe someone would talk one of those places like Toms Hardware or Hard OCP to run benchmarks on cards as they get them in for test.
5021) Message boards : Number crunching : 500 Internal Server Error (Message 1126820)
Posted 11 Jul 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
This might be a viable options for you, but have you tried running an instance of Fedora 10 on the machines that don't want to play nice. I can see in the hardware list they look to be newer machines than all the others. Maybe there is something weird with how that configuration of hardware, drivers, & BOINC are getting along?

I would also consider making a boot disk of Fedora 12 with just the basics to get the machine up & see what occurs.

When troubleshooting I like to start with things that are known to work first. Then work forwards or backwards from there.
5022) Message boards : Number crunching : Nvidia code 43 (Message 1126634)
Posted 10 Jul 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
A fuller description of the error from MS is:
"Windows has stopped this device because it has reported problems. (Code 43)
Diagnosis:
A device driver notified the operating system that the device failed."

If you reinstalled the drivers & everything looks good I would start BOINC up again. If it happens again your card might be starting to act up.
5023) Message boards : Number crunching : Got lax on my cleaning of Dust Bunnies... (Message 1126604)
Posted 10 Jul 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Buy yourself one of these. Even the cheapest/smallest ones are more than sufficient. I takes about an hour for all my seven boxes to be clean(including plugging out and back in). So fast and easy i do it every couple of months.

On most of the air compressors I have see you need to hook up a separate water trap. Nothing like blowing all of the dust out to find you have left a liter of water in there. Then again that might just apply is you live in a humid area like I once did.
5024) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (50) Server problems? (Message 1126468)
Posted 10 Jul 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Are my eyes playing tricks on me? Synergy has been bumped up doing AP things?

Yep, for at least the past few weeks if not longer. I just noticed a while back. I'm sure someone said something about it when it was done, but I have either forgotten or didn't notice. :)
5025) Message boards : Number crunching : Got lax on my cleaning of Dust Bunnies... (Message 1126453)
Posted 10 Jul 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Well this inspired me to do something about the filtration on my machines.

My main rig uses a Thermaltake M9 chassis. Which has a bunch a filters down the front which do a good job of keeping dust out, but there are a few problems. Such as the ventilation holes in the side panel. This one for example is pretty good size and right by the video card. So I figured I would take care of it first.

I went to the local hobby shop & got a adhesive backed 9" x 12" magnetic sheet. Which I cut into pieces then trimmed to have 1/2" border. Giving me a little frame I could stick my filter material to. I used a piece of a 3M furnace filter cut to size (I already one free as I cut them up for cabin filters in my car) & stuck it to the magnet after peeling the backing off.

Here is the front & back of the finished filter. Also a finished shot of it doing its new job. It may not be pretty, but it's also my first attempt.

The magnetic sheet was $3 which I used about a third of to made this filter. However the center portion I cut out will be able to be made into a vent filter for the round vent by the CPU. So 2 for 1! :) Then I will end up using about $0.50 worth of the $8 3M filter I've cut up for both. In the end these filters will only end up costing about $0.75 each. Now I just have to see how long they last and hold up to being washed.
5026) Message boards : Number crunching : Credit (Message 1126359)
Posted 9 Jul 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Most of Seti@nl users have fast computers
normally I have more then 5000 credits but now
half of it :( I never had this before.

By credits do you man RAC?

For you right now:
Credit: 401,043
RAC: 5,162
5027) Message boards : Number crunching : Got lax on my cleaning of Dust Bunnies... (Message 1126307)
Posted 9 Jul 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
...and a power grid somewhere goes into overload. :)

Before firing up each of my computers at my new place I have been taking the time to clean them all out. For fun I weighed the CPU heatsink in MoTD box before and after cleaning it last night. You really don't want to know how much dirt can be held in there. It lost about 40% of its weight post cleaning.

I normally clean my systems every year or so, but now I am thinking I might go with better filtration for the air that gets in. That seems to be more in line with my general laziness. Less dust inside the box = less cleaning = more time doing nothing = :D
5028) Message boards : Number crunching : exclusive_app (Message 1126287)
Posted 9 Jul 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Sounds like some permissions were messed up, like those required for boinc.exe to list the active processes etc. Running the boinc installer for either version probably fixed them.

Jason

That is a good point. All of my test machines at work I run with admin rights & UAC disabled.
5029) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (50) Server problems? (Message 1126286)
Posted 9 Jul 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hmm

I went to a static IP about 2 months ago..

And now I am seeing this...

IP address

<my IP address>
same the last 11642 times)

I have made I think NO manual connection attempts in that time....

But my question is, am I inadvertantly beating the server to death?

Seriously, do I need to connect 11,642 times in 2 months?

That's once every three hours - not as bad as it looks when quoted for a two month period!

Hmm, 61 days at 24 hours per day is 1464 hours, 11642/1464 says 7.9 connections per hour. That's about once every 7.5 minutes on average, which would seem excessive.

However, the count is bogus. I don't have a fixed IP address, and the last IP address shown for my two hosts differs here and at SETI Beta which demonstrates the ISP is really giving me different assignments (and being on fairly unreliable dial-up I sometimes use a different ISP anyhow). Yet there are large counts shown in that field, my guess is it may actually be the total times the host has contacted the Scheduler.
                                                              Joe

If they haven't been able to fill their queue. Then they might be requesting work about every 5 minutes. Every 5 minutes would be more like 17568 requests over 61 days. Which does not seem an unreasonable amount I guess.

Personally I don't take much stock in the number. Also I think they must reset this every now and then or something. Out 5 of my i7 machine the number are all over the place. Ranging from 2200 to 7800.

@soft^spirit:
You can change the setting for "Connect about every xx days" if you feel you are really connecting to often. With 0.13 you would only connect about every 3 hours.
5030) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (50) Server problems? (Message 1126178)
Posted 9 Jul 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
So, Replica finally seems to be online for real, and not only "Green" on the Server status page. As of now though, it's 256,106 seconds (71 hours) behind Master.

Let's see if it will work this time, and actually catch up and stay online.

And 2 new datasets have been added for MB splitting.

Funny, but for some reason the Cricket graphs don't seem to have picked up on that fact yet, and ready to send is climbing.

Caches couldn't be full yet, could they?
Naw....



Well Results out in the field is 6,502,907, so that's pretty high too. But half a million more and most caches would be filled I think.


Hmm I don't know about that. I just switched 2 of my GPU's at home back on since I am mostly finished moving into my new place. They are doing a fine job of slurping down tasks and spitting them back out in a hurry. Maybe another 5,000,000 out in the field will do :)
5031) Message boards : Number crunching : Vastly incorrect estimated completion times on new machine... (Message 1126176)
Posted 9 Jul 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The time it takes to come into the correct value depends on how quickly you eat through the tasks. Normally within about 24 hours of running BOINC seems to be pretty accurate for me.

With my systems (and the occasional outages) i've found it's been closer to a week before the DCF settles down.

Wow I don't think I have seen one take that long in a while. I was just doing some playing with AP on my HD3850 machine and after finishing 2 the estimate dropped from the initial 310 hours to 40 hours for the 3rd task.
I guess it is just like they say "Your Mileage May Vary".
5032) Message boards : Number crunching : Vastly incorrect estimated completion times on new machine... (Message 1126156)
Posted 9 Jul 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The time it takes to come into the correct value depends on how quickly you eat through the tasks. Normally within about 24 hours of running BOINC seems to be pretty accurate for me.
5033) Message boards : Number crunching : CLOSED* SETI/BOINC Milestones [ v2.0 ] - XXIII *CLOSED (Message 1126143)
Posted 9 Jul 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
25,000,000 for seti!
Lots of fun since I came back to the project ~ 2 years ago.
Keep up the great milestones everyone!

I think I will shoot for my 4th 9 for my next milestone. Cause you know 99.98 just won't do! :P
5034) Message boards : Number crunching : exclusive_app (Message 1126133)
Posted 9 Jul 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
When I did the tests elier today I used Windows 7 x64, BOINC 6.10.58 x64, Nvidia driver 26658, & v.038 Lunatics apps. I also tried with 6.12.33 & had the same results as with 6.10.58.

I saw the tasks as "suspended computation", (or whatever the exact message is) instead of "waiting to run". Waiting to run is normally a task that has had some processing and it waiting to be switched back to it.

Could you see all of your tasks on the machine? Maybe one was running that you didn't see? I have seem BOINC start a new task instead of resuming one that was partly processed before. Just an idea.

Could be your machine just didn't want to play right with 6.10.58. I can't seem to get any version over 6.10.58 to run on an XP machine I have at home. I was banging my head on it last night and then tried it on several at work today. All were fine, just no go on the one home box. I can get boinc.exe to run form the command line, but any version of manager over 6.10.58 gives an error trying to launch it.
5035) Message boards : Number crunching : exclusive_app (Message 1126042)
Posted 8 Jul 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hmmm..........that 30 second delay may have got me. I expected immediate action. Will try again when teenager allows me access to my own computer.

I expected it to switch immediately as well. For a moment I thought maybe boinctray would be required, as I don't use it, but a few seconds later and off it went.
5036) Message boards : Number crunching : exclusive_app (Message 1126038)
Posted 8 Jul 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I just did some playing around with this and figured I would share the results to see if it could help you.

1) I used the following entries at to see if it was going to be case sensitive.
<exclusive_app>notepad.exe</exclusive_app>
<exclusive_app>Notepad.exe</exclusive_app>
<exclusive_app>NoTePaD.eXe</exclusive_app>
Result: BOINC suspended computation as expected & resumed once the application was closed.
2) I launched BOINC before the exclusive was running.
Result: BOINC suspended computation as expected & resumed once the application was closed.
3) I launched BOINC after the exclusive was running.
Result: BOINC suspended computation as expected & resumed once the application was closed.

I then repeated these steps with <exclusive_gpu_app> to just spend the GPU.

Notes:
1) BOINC seems to only poll for exclusive applications ever 30 seconds.
2) I used <exclusive_app> and <exclusive_gpu_app> separately. As <exclusive_app> suspends everything and <exclusive_gpu_app> just suspends the GPU. So both would not be needed for the same application.
3) Have you verified that your are using the right exe name. Often for games they use a launcher. So when you click the shortcut to TheSims.exe it actually starts up someotherexeyoudidntknowabout.exe.
5037) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (49) Server problems? (Message 1125913)
Posted 8 Jul 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
It looks like things have been getting cleared out. The amount of AP "Workunits waiting for db purging" has gone down a lot in the past 10 hours. While AP "Results waiting for db purging" have gone down a bit.

[As of 8 Jul 2011 | 15:00:08 UTC] 
Data Distribution State				SETI@home #		Astropulse #
Results ready to send				   17,650		      9
Current result creation rate			       31.7752/sec	      0.0109/sec
Results out in the field			6,429,254		123,495
Results received in last hour			   73,664		    882
Result turnaround time (last hour average)	       71.70 hours	    127.53 hours
Results returned and awaiting validation	6,557,407		213,932
Workunits waiting for validation		        4		 41,455
Workunits waiting for assimilation		  835,113		    116
Workunit files waiting for deletion		       70		      0
Result files waiting for deletion		       49		      0
Workunits waiting for db purging		1,095,471		     28
Results waiting for db purging			2,307,718		  1,414
5038) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (49) Server problems? (Message 1125769)
Posted 8 Jul 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Raistmer posted this message from Eric over on Lunatics forums...
We're having some problems with the AstroPulse database. Everything astropulse related is down. Don't know when it will be back up.

Eric

So the question is "Why are the problems with the AP database limiting MB work production?"

I don't think the two are related. As far as MB work goes it would seem there is a lack of data. Compound that with the fact a lot of the data we are getting seems to be shorties. At least I'm seeing shorties on my 8500GT. Tasks running 30 min instead of the normal 2 hours 15 min.

My total task count is way up as well. I have about 8600 total tasks where I normally see around 5000. Also instead of having 200-300 AP tasks that is down to about 50.
5039) Message boards : Number crunching : What the Cricket Graphs do not tell us (Message 1125758)
Posted 8 Jul 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hal9000 -"I think a viable possibility might be to have the really fast machine process the same task several times. Then they could self validate the work."

I don't think that would pass the
academic/scientific sniff test.

Just my opinion though.

At some point a few months ago Matt had mentioned something about the possibility of machines that had a reputation of doing good work of not requiring validation. I think the idea at the time was to reduce the amount of data going out. Not sure where they went with that, or if it is still on the table at this point in time.
5040) Message boards : Number crunching : How are people acheiving the super high RACs? (Message 1125757)
Posted 8 Jul 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have a pile of nVidia and ATI cards in the lab...will any GPU work, ala ATI/AMD or are we talking nVidia only? My servers have multiple x8 and x16 PCIe slots each. I could load them up...

Any nVIDIA cards listed here will work.

AMD/ATi cards from 4xxx up will do to (and some older ones will run hybrid mode) but I can't help with a link for these (though someone will likely fill this bit in). ;)

Cheers.

The Readme for the v0.38 installer actually had the detailed info regarding some of the caveats it looks like.
5041) Message boards : Number crunching : How are people acheiving the super high RACs? (Message 1125754)
Posted 8 Jul 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have a pile of nVidia and ATI cards in the lab...will any GPU work, ala ATI/AMD or are we talking nVidia only? My servers have multiple x8 and x16 PCIe slots each. I could load them up...

There are applications for both.
Nvidia cards need to be 8400 or higher.
Right now only a Multibeam application is released, but an Astropulse application is in the works.
ATI cards need to be HD2000 or higher. The x800 x1000 cards are no go sadly. I have a lot of those I could be using if they were. :(
For the ATI cards there are different applications depending on the card.
Generally HD2000 & HD3000 cards can only use the hybrid Astropulse application. Where the HD4800 cards and higher can use the OpenCL applications for Multibeam and Astropulse.
The Lunatics installer eliminates a lot of problems with what to do as it basically says 'tick this box for this card'
5042) Message boards : Number crunching : What the Cricket Graphs do not tell us (Message 1125731)
Posted 8 Jul 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

I think a viable possibility might be to have the really fast machine process the same task several times. Then they could self validate the work.

I don't think that would be good. A little while ago, I had my OC up 1 step too high, and was creating an occasional AP invalid. This was due to the RAM pressure an AP generates. If I had checked my own work, I would not have known my rig had the potential of creating noise. I backed down the BCLK one notch, and everything was fine again.

Steve

I think it would be just a valid as the current process of validating two -9 results and tossing out the 3rd when the 1st/2nd returned a seemingly good result.

Which just brings back up another issue that is hopefully on the 'to do' list.
5043) Message boards : Number crunching : What the Cricket Graphs do not tell us (Message 1125722)
Posted 8 Jul 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Snip quoted material.

BeNt- "Yeah there was a discussion a few months back about placing a mechanism into place that would do like it does when you first start running S@H. Once you return 5 or 10 bad results it limits you to one download and 1 return at a time till you reach 10 again then you resume normal operation. After you have returned X amount of bad results it kicks the machine out of the system for a week a month whatever.

As far as cutting the system down to what the system can handle. It's a fine idea but against the ideology of what we are doing.

Well, I have to ask. Who's ideology?

Now Berkeley being Berkeley, I can believe
that they'd like everybody to participate but
sometimes you have to be pragmatic.

BeNt- "They want as many as possible crunching away. Of course the argument here would be letting the fastest crunchers have priority access as long as it over comes X amount of machine and count that many machines at the bottom of the list out only slipping them in when the fastest crunchers are looking for anything. Of course to do this you would need a stream of WU's, no caches, and plenty of fast machines. None of which we have.

I've always wondered if it would be viable to possibly push larger units out to those faster machines. Somehow figure out an active splitter that matches work based on deadline and machine speed and feed only 1 WU a day out to those guys instead of having them report and grabbing new work every few minutes. Dynamically I don't think the file sizes would be that much larger considering an average unit size of 367Kb now. Of course the cache can kind of serve the same purpose.

Another issue that will undoubtedly work itself out as the systems get better and better all the way around."

I'd prefer the science come first You either
have to raise the bridge or lower the river.

I think a viable possibility might be to have the really fast machine process the same task several times. Then they could self validate the work.
5044) Message boards : Number crunching : What the Cricket Graphs do not tell us (Message 1125718)
Posted 8 Jul 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

What would be really excellent would be if the Seti boyz could implement a means by which it would dynamically adjust the delay in response to server loading and/or other factors.

That probably is possible, up to the point that the servers are effectively down.

What you can't do when the server is totally saturated is use resources on the server to tell the world it is totally saturated. It's a catch-22.

I wouldn't think it would take much in the way of resources.....
I'm thinking about adjusting maybe every 15 minutes or even half an hour, not every 10 seconds or anything.

One of the problems would be that if the line is saturated with failed requests the servers would see everything as OK and send out a short delay to the few clients that could make it in.
5045) Message boards : Number crunching : How are people acheiving the super high RACs? (Message 1125713)
Posted 8 Jul 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I am running multiple 16-40 core servers and one person with what I assume is a single workstation with 8 cores and 8 nVidia GPUs outperforms? What gives?

Looking over your list of machine a lot of them seem to be P4 based systems. The P4 isn't the bang for the buck in crunching seti. One of my single i7-860 systems pumps out 7,000-8,000 just with the CPU. Some of the other i7's, especially when overclocked, can go 12,000-15,000 with just the CPU. Then a few dual GPU video cards and you see the systems that can run close to 100,000RAC.
Looking at the Top Computers list is a good way to make you say @#^$&!
5046) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (49) Server problems? (Message 1125685)
Posted 7 Jul 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I guess some have realized that.


Nah, could never had guessed that :-)

So, here I sit with my main cruncher full of (over 90) AP tasks, + all the finished ones, and they will get validated in between now and kingdom comes. That's what I get for trying to go AP only with my ATI GPU cruncher.

I guess it's time to let it feed on some MB tasks too then, until AP is back.

To put it simple: CRAP

Don't do that in here, it will smell bad! :)
I was going to do some playing with AP on my cards as well, but I guess that will just wait until the servers feel happy again.
5047) Message boards : Number crunching : What the Cricket Graphs do not tell us (Message 1125680)
Posted 7 Jul 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
There is one parameter under control of Seti server-side.
That is the backoff between reporting/work requests.
Right now it is set to 5 minutes. I think at one time it might have been as low as 1 minute. It could probably be increased by another minute or two without much impact on most crunchers. Whether this would have an appreciable impact on network traffic I am not certain.

IIRC, it was set at 11 seconds, and I was the one who suggested a return to the (many years ago) value of 10 minutes. They chose 5 minutes instead, which I think was generally accepted to have been a success. Maybe 10 minutes would be even better, but I suspect we would be into marginal fractions from here on - the bulk of the change is already there.

The 5 minute wait time just prevents the client from fulfilling a request for more work. To actually be effective I think the client would have to be changed to not allow request to be sent during this period. If I sit there and hammer the Update button I won't get any work, but I'm sure those packets telling me recent request 3 seconds ago to soon. Do not help things to much.

Perhaps the easiest way to fix things is to realize that nothing is really broken?
5048) Message boards : Number crunching : What the Cricket Graphs do not tell us (Message 1125613)
Posted 7 Jul 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Perhaps a solution could also be a server that everyone initially connects to, and gets hammered on occasion, passes some sort of token to the client to tell them to connect to the actual server. That would stop the active connections from getting dropped by the incoming flood of new requests at least. Then the guys would be able to regulate connections to the servers in some kind of fashion. That would probably incur more overhead, but might be more efficient overall.
5049) Message boards : Number crunching : What the Cricket Graphs do not tell us (Message 1125588)
Posted 7 Jul 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The Cricket graphs can tell us more if we look at the Unicast Packets version as well as the Octets version. If average packet size is reasonably large, we are not DDOSing the servers and there's real data transfer taking place. Establishing a connection takes several small packets each way, and of course HTTP 503 "Service not available" is only small packets.

It's an awkward thing to have to look at two graphs and approximate the ratio in order to figure out that rough approximation of efficiency, but let's not confuse our reluctance to do so with lack of information.
                                                                Joe

Actually, it's probably something that Cricket could calculate for us, but the Cricket graphs aren't for us as much as they are for the folks running the routers.

If the graph is pegged, that isn't anything unusual from the router admins perspective.

... and I'm far less interested in what the graphs tell us, or what we can figure out. I asked Eric, and he did say that the C10K problem is a big part of the server-side struggles.

In any other venue, the HTTP 503's would be about as good as you could do, but the time to generate them still takes away from doing more useful work. Things start slowing down before the 503's start, and the slow-downs cause more traffic, which cause more slowdowns and it snowballs from there.

There is no knob, no control in the current BOINC to effectively stop the cascade once it starts.

There could be.

Before you mentioned it I had not heard of the C10K problem. From the brief reading I have done it seems it is mostly a software issue? Granted the server would need the required hardware to handle the connections as well.

One of the first things that come to mind there would be have more instances of Apache to handle the requests. I'm sure it is not the easiest thing to set that up and have it all work correctly.

Switch Apache for software that addresses the issue. This may not be practical. Learning new software, possible other things that only like Apache, etc...

Having only worked with things that demand a much smaller load I've never had to address these kinds of issues. So I don't know the solution, but I respect the problem.
5050) Message boards : Number crunching : How NOT to do! (Message 1125576)
Posted 7 Jul 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Well folks learn from an expert in knowing how NOT to do things when you edit app_info.

I was going to change some unroll and whatnot for my ATI AP app, so I closed down Boinc and Boinc Manager. Now, I already had a copy of the app_info I was going to change, but it was named app_infoxmlAP2, so I deleted the original app_info, copied my copy to the right folder, and started to change what I was going to change.

All is well so far, after I had changed the parts I was going to edit, of course I saved the file.

Now then, here comes the stupid part. I forgot to change the name of the file to app_info.xml, it still had the name I gave the copy, named so I should remember the differences "app_infoxmlAP2"

Anyhow, I started Boinc again, and of course immediately the messages tab started spewing horrible things like:

07-Jul-2011 18:38:56 [SETI@home] [error] State file error: missing application file AK_v8b_win_x64_SSSE3x.exe
07-Jul-2011 18:38:56 [SETI@home] [error] State file error: missing application file AK_v8b_win_x64_SSSE3x.exe
07-Jul-2011 18:38:56 [SETI@home] [error] State file error: missing application file ap_5.05r409_SSE.exe
07-Jul-2011 18:38:56 [SETI@home] [error] State file error: missing application file ap_5.05r409_SSE.exe
07-Jul-2011 18:38:56 [SETI@home] [error] State file error: missing application file ap_5.06_win_x86_SSE2_OpenCL_ATI_r521.exe
07-Jul-2011 18:38:56 [SETI@home] [error] State file error: missing application file ap_5.06_win_x86_SSE2_OpenCL_ATI_r521.exe
07-Jul-2011 18:38:56 [SETI@home] [error] State file error: missing application file MB_6.10_win_SSE3_ATI_r177.exe
07-Jul-2011 18:38:56 [SETI@home] [error] No application found for task: windows_intelx86 505 ; discarding
07-Jul-2011 18:38:56 [SETI@home] [error] No application found for task: windows_intelx86 505 ; discarding
07-Jul-2011 18:38:56 [SETI@home] [error] No application found for task: windows_intelx86 505 ; discarding
07-Jul-2011 18:38:56 [SETI@home] [error] No application found for task: windows_intelx86 505 ; discarding


91 AP files went straight to a warmer place, so to speak. Not a trace of any of my hard fought for AP files in the folder.


So, quick shutdown of Boinc and Boinc Manager again, because NOW I remembered what I had forgotten to do with the app_info file. I changed the name to app_info.xml, and started up Boinc again.

Now here comes the saviour: RESEND

The next request for work immediately gave me back 20 task:

07-Jul-2011 18:41:29 [SETI@home] Scheduler request completed: got 20 new tasks
07-Jul-2011 18:41:29 [SETI@home] Message from server: Resent lost task ap_26fe11ad_B1_P1_00065_20110701_31286.wu_0

and 19 more


The following requests gave piece by piece all my tasks back.

So, now you know what NOT to do :-)

OH look at that spike on the cricket graph. It must be you! :)
This is why I have learned to set no network comms before closing BOINC to mess with it. Also I copy/backup the data & apps folders. Saves the bandwidth of having to redownload 100+ tasks.
5051) Message boards : Number crunching : Let's talk about ATI AP -unroll, -ffa_block, and -ffa_block_fetch (Message 1125535)
Posted 7 Jul 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

I agree with Sten here.
Its not important to understand everything.
Everybody is important to get experience.


I agree. And, Raistmer is very patience with a dummy like moi. :D

I am sure he cusses at us when we are not looking. :)


When i started GPU crunching 9 month ago everthing was chinese to me.


Mandarin, Mike - chinese is the "race". :)

I have only seen Chinese Traditional or Chinese Simplified for text/language selections, but Mandarin when it is spoken. Such as in movies "Dubbed in Mandarin"
5052) Message boards : Number crunching : Let's talk about ATI AP -unroll, -ffa_block, and -ffa_block_fetch (Message 1125498)
Posted 7 Jul 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Can anyone clear a few things for me please

What does the unroll factor do?
What does ffa_block do and do different GPU handle different sizes differently?
What does ffa_block_fetch do and how can I tell what my GPU uses best?
are there any tables available for this?

And how does the "data" in the pakets vary or is the paket "data" constant?


unroll factor defines how many data chunks will be processed per FindSinglePulse kernel call.

ffa_block defines how many different periods will be run simultaneously inside FFA kernels.

ffa_block_fetch defines how many different periods will be processed simultaneously inside kernel that "fetches" data in FFA from initial buffer (this fetch requires additions too).

why not always "the bigger the better" - different periods require arrays of different size while buffer always represented as 2D matrix and kernel operates on whole such matrix (i.e. some elements will be processed and then rejected).

but the more periods run at once the less kernel call overhead.
That is, there is sweet spot different for each GPU cause both compute power and memory bandwidth influence here.

how to say that parameters are the best?
Only by collecting statistics, then avarage data for each AR bin, compute standart deviation and compare results.

Cause this involves lot of work I expect ATi users community will do this together to form knowledge base with best params. For now more or less complete data for some of parameters are available for my own HD4870 and HF6950. In form of performance graphs. I can post full data tables (as google documants) if someone interesting in raw data.

So maybe some numbers could be decided for test values and some test work. Then we could benchmark various hardware with different settings. I only have HD3850, HD4870, & HD5750 to test with right now.
5053) Message boards : Number crunching : What the Cricket Graphs do not tell us (Message 1125493)
Posted 7 Jul 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Some of the point you have been made have in fact been made several times before. Not to say they are not good, just that time/money/people prevents them from occurring.
The solution of "The solution is to make the BOINC client connect less often, especially when it knows things are bad at the servers." has been addressed by the BOINC devs. The "backoff" times are lets go with "more aggressive" to attempt to connect less often. However the client doesn't know when things are bad on the server side when it can't connect to the server.
I am not sure if you posted to the thread Matt started HE connection problems thread. As I haven't read all of the posts in a few days. He is openly asking for advise & data from people having issues.

Another thing to consider is that we might be hitting limits in the two routers they have between the lab and the HE line. I'm not sure if they have, or are allowed to monitor those devices for their load levels. They fall into the "political" category I believe.
5054) Message boards : Number crunching : Seti-Enhanced on Ati: some WU have a very low GPU-load, often end as error (Message 1125491)
Posted 7 Jul 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
But to be honest most are running 64 bit OS same like me.

And I run localized (there were no english version available when I installed it :/) x86 Vista... Maybe time came to throw it away at last...

Well if it is Vista yes defiantly time to throw away. :)

Something you might want to know for development testing. Windows 7 does not prevent you from using it after the time to enter a key and activate elapses as Vista did. I have a machine that was installed 2009-10-23 and is still not activated. There is simply a delay for the login. I set it up just for a let us see what happens test.

So maybe something like that and Acronis TrueImage program would be helpful with your development in some way. So you could quickly switch OS on the same machine. That is actually what I use it for in my test lab at work.
5055) Message boards : Number crunching : My Newest Cruncher (Message 1125489)
Posted 7 Jul 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Alright I've gotta ask: what was the decision process behind, "Hrm....I should put a PC under my drawer"


I'm guessing lack of space, convenience in mounting it, out of the way etc. Not sure if that would exactly be what I would do considering I have the room and cases are cheap, but each to his own. If it works it works.

I have thought about building a computer into my desk for the past 14 years or so, but I just haven't been able to bring myself to cut into the desk my great-grandfather built.
So I would probably go for one of those sneaky mounted to the back of the LCD rigs for a system like this.
5056) Message boards : Number crunching : Credit (Message 1125393)
Posted 7 Jul 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Noooooooo, they can't stop the credits, I haven't got my toaster yet!!!!

Oddly enough I do need a new toaster. So I am going to cash in my point to get my free toaster*.

*Toaster not included. S&H charges may apply. Offer VOID at all times.
5057) Message boards : Number crunching : Seti-Enhanced on Ati: some WU have a very low GPU-load, often end as error (Message 1125278)
Posted 6 Jul 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Not hardly any change at all, not, switching to an older driver CAT 11.2, not
increasing the period_iterations, tried 5, 10, 15 and now back to
1 , again running 2 instances a card, screen is more sluggish from time to time,
but GPU load is now ~40%, average over 30 minutes, ~11% per the 2nd GPU

Changed to 1 instance per device and period_iterations 20.


Right now you show "[2] CAL ATI Radeon HD5800 series (Cypress) (1024MB) driver: 1.4.1332". Cat 11.3 is normally 1.4.1332. Cat 11.2 would be 1.4.1016.

Maybe you are using 11.3 now for test. I don't know, just an observation.
5058) Message boards : Number crunching : List of BOINC Error Codes...? (Message 1125257)
Posted 6 Jul 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
anyone know what a -5 exit error is? I am getting a bunch of these lately

The link Richard posted lists a description for -5
5059) Message boards : Number crunching : Seti-Enhanced on Ati: some WU have a very low GPU-load, often end as error (Message 1125234)
Posted 6 Jul 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
So how is 10.12 for crunching in Win7 64-bit?

Should go, but you need to load OpenCL SDK manually.

Sounds good.
Also while I was board at work today I made a version cheat sheet to make it easier to find out what version of what people are using.
As a disclaimer I used Windows 7 64-bit to get all the version info. So if there is something different between OS drivers I'll have to look into that.
5060) Message boards : Number crunching : Credit (Message 1125215)
Posted 6 Jul 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
There is no validation on my computer and I see allot
has to been checked, My statistic is falling down again.
I know I have a wing man but then it must be someone
with a verry slow computer I'll guess?? The wurse'd was
on 21 of june, then the server went down OK, but then
my statistic went high again, this whole day hardly
my work get a validation, and the statistics went down
again. I have only more then 2 hours work to be sent.

http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll71/AngelWynton/Blue_Angel1.jpg


I dunno. I think everything looks normal in my stats. I mean "normal" for here at least. :)
5061) Message boards : Number crunching : Seti-Enhanced on Ati: some WU have a very low GPU-load, often end as error (Message 1125186)
Posted 6 Jul 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

Driver is 11.6 (and i dont want to change this version...)


Unfortunately it's buggy at least for some configs.
PErhaps you should wait next ATi drivers tan in hope to get fix for this issue.

Catalyst 11.2 might be the best for crunching, but it has issues for other things. I have had some issues with all Cat 11.x versions which don't seem to be on their to fix list despite reporting the issues.
As with 11.x I don't enjoy the loud static form the HDMI audio until something is played through it to silence it. Nor do I like the fact that Cat 11.x causes DWM to crash when using UltraVNC

So how is 10.12 for crunching in Win7 64-bit?
5062) Message boards : Number crunching : List of BOINC Error Codes...? (Message 1125118)
Posted 6 Jul 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Have the guys at Lunatics published a list of error/exit codes as well?

I guess the source from Berkeley would need to have notes as to what the error/exit codes actually meant.
5063) Message boards : Number crunching : Do you like Granola ? (Message 1125117)
Posted 6 Jul 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
You always have to watch out for the point of diminishing returns. If you reduce your power usage by 33% and your output is only reduced 25%. Then I would say it is a fair compromise. If you reduce your power usage by 33% and reduce your output by 50% I'm not sure that is a fair trade off.

As BOINC has built in functions to limit the hardware used I would probably just it to use 50% of processors or use the build in OS power saving functions. On my i7 machine while running BOINC 100% the stock cooler couldn't handle it with the warmer spring/summer temps. So in Windows 7 I setup a power plan that had Max Processor State to, I think it was, 80%. Which lowered the max clock that the CPU would run at. Generating less heat so the system wouldn't lock up & using less power.
I made batch files and utilized the powercfg command line parameters to switch between my custom plan and the normal 100% one.
5064) Message boards : Number crunching : Astropulse on HD5770 - how to get WUs? (Message 1125089)
Posted 6 Jul 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The 5770 isn´t bad.
A little noisy maybe.

I got a passive cooled, no noise, only 2 120mm-Case-Fans @ 900 U/Min. :)


You can crunch MBs without any problems.

Yes, but often the performance seems to be very low at these WUs.
It takes more time then on my old Geforce9600GT for the same creditlevel

When i try 2 WUs at the same time, its a little bit better. But working at the PC is like an old Pentium@200Mhz ;)

Some WUs are ready after 5 Minutes and give me 30 credits, but the most run more then an hour und bring me about 100 Credits.

@Claggy: Ok, than i try to empty my heap of collatz-WUs and wait again.

The GF8500GT I use at work to crunch with was originally passively cooled. Which this would normally be OK for the card with normal use I guess. With 24/7 use the GPU would run up over 80ºC. Adding a 60mm fan at 5v now has the card peaking around 57ºC. with no added noise.
5065) Message boards : Number crunching : ATI GPU apps for HD3xxx? (Message 1123603)
Posted 2 Jul 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
OK, first WU ready, needed CPU time down to ~86% of what the CPU-only app needed for tasks with same amount of blanking (i.e. no blanking at all). Not bad, but of course at the price of about -25% thruput on Milkyway, but that can be partially tweeked by adjusting the cmd parameters.

Unfortunately the servers seem to be out of Astropulse... never mind, I have no time in the next few weeks to play with that like in the last few days, so going back to 2xMW on GPU for now, will eventually come back later to that.

And btw: 3 WUs on a 512MB graphics card... not good.

Since we have AP work again I have had a chance to play with my HD3850 once more. For my with just windows running only 14MB of video memory is used. Each instance of hybrid AP app only used about 150MB. With 2 running at once max GPU memory used is only 315MB. As long as these two complete OK I think I will give 3 at once a try. Not sure there is enough bandwidth in memory or maybe AGP for it, but might make for an informative test.
5066) Message boards : Number crunching : Which quiet and fast GPU to buy? (Message 1123497)
Posted 1 Jul 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
GTX 560 is Core/Shader/Memory 810/1620/4004MHz
GTX 560 Ti is Core/Shader/Memory 822/1645/4008MHz
This OC card is Core/Shader/Memory 830/1660/4008MHz
Looking at pictures from the site Newegg it looks like card total width is only 2 slot. Hopefully for OP the picture is accurate depending on their MB slots.


I looked also little bit..

The GTX560 have 336 CUDA-Cores.
The GTX560 Ti have 384 CUDA-Cores.

pc-erfahrung.de /GTX 560 vs. 560 Ti


- Best regards! - Sutaru Tsureku, team seti.international founder. - Optimize your PC for higher RAC. - SETI@home needs your help. -


Good catch! I missed that when I was looking at them on a wikipedia list.
5067) Message boards : Number crunching : Which quiet and fast GPU to buy? (Message 1123483)
Posted 1 Jul 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hi all,
TS here. This thread really got a few posts!

As far as I can see, there's no problem running BOINC/seti with the GTX 560Ti I asked about.

The reason I specified the OC version, is because it seems like the most silent stock GPU I can find in the net shop where I've got some discounts. Won't overclock myself or install extra water cooling.

Gigabyte GeForce GTX 560Ti 1GB PhysX OC Edition seems to run on 31dB, and later I can buy another one. The price is not bad either.

The only EVGA card available in my net shop is EVGA GeForce GTX 580 1536MB (demo card w/water cooling), but that card is rather expensive, don't think it's worth the extra price (almost 300 USD more).

Any other options I should explore? Or is the GTX 580 card *that* much better? I won't do any gaming with the home server, only run seti@home, as quiet as possible. Any ideas?


AFAIK, there are the GTX560 Ti (first) and the GTX560 (came after).
The URL you posted - it looks like it's the GTX560 (without Ti).
Currently I don't know what's different.

And it looks like the heatsink is 3 PCIe slots high.
So you couldn't insert 2 cards side by side.

I don't know if it's worth do buy a GTX580, compared to a GTX560.
In past I bought 5 GTX260 OCs, because 5 GTX285s (OCs) were way too expensive.
And the RAC is not so different (GTX260 OC same/higher than stock GTX285).

Now with the new Fermi chip it could look different.


- Best regards! - Sutaru Tsureku, team seti.international founder. - Optimize your PC for higher RAC. - SETI@home needs your help. -


GTX 560 is Core/Shader/Memory 810/1620/4004MHz
GTX 560 Ti is Core/Shader/Memory 822/1645/4008MHz
This OC card is Core/Shader/Memory 830/1660/4008MHz
Looking at pictures from the site Newegg it looks like card total width is only 2 slot. Hopefully for OP the picture is accurate depending on their MB slots.
5068) Message boards : Number crunching : Which quiet and fast GPU to buy? (Message 1123480)
Posted 1 Jul 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hi all,
TS here. This thread really got a few posts!

As far as I can see, there's no problem running BOINC/seti with the GTX 560Ti I asked about.

The reason I specified the OC version, is because it seems like the most silent stock GPU I can find in the net shop where I've got some discounts. Won't overclock myself or install extra water cooling.

Gigabyte GeForce GTX 560Ti 1GB PhysX OC Edition seems to run on 31dB, and later I can buy another one. The price is not bad either.

The only EVGA card available in my net shop is EVGA GeForce GTX 580 1536MB (demo card w/water cooling), but that card is rather expensive, don't think it's worth the extra price (almost 300 USD more).

Any other options I should explore? Or is the GTX 580 card *that* much better? I won't do any gaming with the home server, only run seti@home, as quiet as possible. Any ideas?

The Gigabyte card looks like a pretty decent deal for <$200. So far I have had a GF6600 & GF8500GT from Gigabyte which have not had any issues to date. The 8500 is churning through tasks right now in fact.
5069) Message boards : Number crunching : But for the love of Gandhi! (Message 1123110)
Posted 30 Jun 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have 20 left than i´m dry also.
But got 1300 MBs today, so enough to reshedule back and forth.

How does one Reschedule from MB to AP (or vice versa)?
I'm very curious...

You don't. They mean reschedule MB work to keep their GPU busy.



I saw the upload server was offline for a bit a few hours ago. It is back up now. So maybe when they guys leave for the day they will kick the AP splitters back on. I was going to do some playing with my HD3850 & it is just sitting there spinning its little fan waiting for work. :(
5070) Message boards : Number crunching : Which quiet and fast GPU to buy? (Message 1123096)
Posted 30 Jun 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I would probably shop for a liquid cooled Nvidia card if S@H & noise are the two primary concerns for a new video card. There are(or at least were at one point in time) several card you could get that sold as closed loop systems you don't have to futs with. Just plug it in and go.
5071) Message boards : Number crunching : Replacement Hardware specs ?? (Message 1122725)
Posted 29 Jun 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Depending on what is "going south" you could get away with just a board & CPU if you are going to carry over the memory & everything else. Depending on the speed of your current memory new stuff might be nice. Nothing wrong with using the video card & getting a newer one later.

For the most part I replace my hard drives in my main system every 3-4 years. Then I rotate the older ones down to the next oldest system.
5072) Message boards : Number crunching : HE connection problems thread (Message 1122693)
Posted 29 Jun 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

1. ... not reaching any of your servers!
2. As I wrote initially on June 24th, this all began about June 16th...
3. Alice (Hansenet), Germany
4. Berlin, Germany
5. All four servers don't respond at all (s.b.)
6. As shown below, it stops after
10gigabitethernet1-4.core1.pao1.he.net [72.52.92.29]

OR
10gigabitethernet7-4.core1.pao1.he.net [184.105.213.177]
7. nslookup: addresses seem to be resolved correctly

...


(My emphasis.)

From that example and a few others listed in the thread, as commented by others, the next hop after those two nodes looks to be a problem for HE to fix...


I'd guess the data packet loss the rest of us see is just the s@h pipe being congested and dropping data due to overload.

Hope this thread gives Matt something to work on.

Keep searchin',
Martin

I think that is close to the issue. For most people the next hop after those is 64.71.140.42. For me at work I hit hurricane-113209-sjo-bb1.c.telia.net [213.248.86.54] before 64.71.140.42 & don't have much of an issue. So I would guess whatever equipment 64.71.140.42 happens to be might be the issue. Perhaps some routing issue internally, or it could be the 10gigabitethernet*.core1.pao1.he.net side.
5073) Message boards : Number crunching : ATI GPU apps for HD3xxx? (Message 1122581)
Posted 29 Jun 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
BTW, are there any programs, that can tell me how much video RAM is in use?

I ran the hybrid app on my Sapphire AGP HD3850 512MB card with w/o any issues.

Yes, but since with the hybrid app my GPU is like 99% of the time idle, I was thinking about running 1 or 2 (probably 1) hybrid-AP WUs together with Milkyway.

I tried RivaTuner, which should be able to show the video RAM usage, but when running the hybrid app only it's showing just 10MB all the time, no change when the GPU is in use. Now with one Milkyway WU running together with the hybrid-AP-WU (works fine so far) it's showing 15MB all the time, I don't think that's right.

I set mine up to run 2 AP tasks at once. Right now it is just waiting to get work.
You can watch host 6069921 if you would like to see if any errors pop up on it. Except for the 1 MB tasks. Ignore that...

If it gets some work and can do 2 at once w/o errors I'll ramp it up to 3. That would probably indicate if 2 AP and 1 MW would work for you.


The problem isn't getting 2 to work which it shouldn't IIRC it has to do with memory bandwidth there just isn't enough. Which is why this is a hybrid app and not a full fledged GPU app. You'll also have to contend with the hybrid actually spending half its time more or less running on the CPU which preempts your CPU WU's thus slowing those WU's down and lower your RAC

Normally that machine is off these days. It has been replace with smaller, faster, and less power consuming equipment. So right now I am just experimenting with it. I remember doing a lot of testing on beta with the application when it was being developed. I just don't recall what exactly was done and to what end.
5074) Message boards : Number crunching : ATI GPU apps for HD3xxx? (Message 1122533)
Posted 28 Jun 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
BTW, are there any programs, that can tell me how much video RAM is in use?

I ran the hybrid app on my Sapphire AGP HD3850 512MB card with w/o any issues.

Yes, but since with the hybrid app my GPU is like 99% of the time idle, I was thinking about running 1 or 2 (probably 1) hybrid-AP WUs together with Milkyway.

I tried RivaTuner, which should be able to show the video RAM usage, but when running the hybrid app only it's showing just 10MB all the time, no change when the GPU is in use. Now with one Milkyway WU running together with the hybrid-AP-WU (works fine so far) it's showing 15MB all the time, I don't think that's right.

I set mine up to run 2 AP tasks at once. Right now it is just waiting to get work.
You can watch host 6069921 if you would like to see if any errors pop up on it. Except for the 1 MB tasks. Ignore that...

If it gets some work and can do 2 at once w/o errors I'll ramp it up to 3. That would probably indicate if 2 AP and 1 MW would work for you.
5075) Message boards : Number crunching : ATI GPU apps for HD3xxx? (Message 1122490)
Posted 28 Jun 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
BTW, are there any programs, that can tell me how much video RAM is in use?

I ran the hybrid app on my Sapphire AGP HD3850 512MB card with w/o any issues.
5076) Message boards : Number crunching : CUDA on AGP - is possible? (Message 1122449)
Posted 28 Jun 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Maybe you could let run the Astropulse and S@h Enhanced/Multbeam OpenCL apps on the HD4xxx AGP cards.

I haven't managed to confirm whether OpenCL is supported on AGP Bus, AGP HD4650 just isn't detected as an OpenCL device (with Cat 11.1 AGP hotfix drivers and SDK_2.3 installed),
It could be the drivers, or it could be i need an SSE2 or Better CPU,

Cat 11.2 to 11.6 AGP hotfix drivers for the HD4650 Broken, when installed the Desktop is locked to 640x480 resolution and 4 bit colour, and CCC complains the drivers aren't compatible,

Claggy

I am pretty sure my old system with the HD3850 has SSE2. I am pretty sure it was SSE3 the Northwood P4's were lacking. As that didn't come out until the Prescott generation.
I'll fire the box up and see what I get from CLinfo on it.
5077) Message boards : Number crunching : HE connection problems thread (Message 1122155)
Posted 27 Jun 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Normally I see a lot of these connections issues, or they are minor enough I don't notice them.

1. At the moment downloads are slow and/or timing out. However, The connection graph looks a bit busy right now.
2. N/A
3. Home: Comcast
3. Work: Verizon, level3, & AT&T (We have lines form all 3 so my source IP could be from any one of those.)
4. Philadelphia / S. NJ area.
I did these tests at work in my software test lab on a dirty Win 7 box.
5. Percent loss for 30 pings to: .13-30%, .16-25%, .18-26%, .20-30%.
6. I got one good one.
This is the first hop after the public IP address

6 2 ms 2 ms 2 ms 500.Serial3-7.GW4.PHL1.ALTER.NET [157.130.19.53]
7 3 ms 3 ms 3 ms 0.so-5-1-1.XL3.PHL6.ALTER.NET [152.63.33.150]
8 10 ms 6 ms 6 ms 0.xe-4-1-3.XL3.IAD8.ALTER.NET [152.63.3.142]
9 12 ms 7 ms 7 ms TenGigE0-6-0-0.GW1.IAD8.ALTER.NET [152.63.36.45]
10 13 ms 16 ms 15 ms teliasonera-test-gw.customer.alter.net [63.65.76.190]
11 86 ms 83 ms 81 ms sjo-bb1-link.telia.net [80.91.252.220]
12 82 ms 83 ms 97 ms hurricane-113209-sjo-bb1.c.telia.net [213.248.86.54]
13 82 ms 93 ms 91 ms 64.71.140.42
14 122 ms 124 ms 125 ms 208.68.243.254
15 128 ms 135 ms 132 ms boinc2.ssl.berkeley.edu [208.68.240.13]
Then the others were a bit wonky.

13 197 ms 335 ms 319 ms 64.71.140.42
14 124 ms 124 ms 124 ms 208.68.243.254
15 * * * Request timed out.
16 122 ms 121 ms 122 ms setiboincdata.ssl.berkeley.edu [208.68.240.16]

13 95 ms 87 ms 83 ms 64.71.140.42
14 127 ms * 126 ms 208.68.243.254
15 124 ms 124 ms * boinc2.ssl.berkeley.edu [208.68.240.18]
16 126 ms * 127 ms boinc2.ssl.berkeley.edu [208.68.240.18]

13 83 ms 83 ms 84 ms 64.71.140.42
14 * * * Request timed out.
15 123 ms 128 ms * setiboinc.ssl.berkeley.edu [208.68.240.20]
16 125 ms 131 ms 129 ms setiboinc.ssl.berkeley.edu [208.68.240.20]

7. This looks as expected.
Name: boinc2.ssl.berkeley.edu Address: 208.68.240.13
Name: setiboincdata.ssl.berkeley.edu Address: 208.68.240.16
Name: boinc2.ssl.berkeley.edu Address: 208.68.240.18
Name: setiboinc.ssl.berkeley.edu Address: 208.68.240.20
5078) Message boards : Number crunching : CUDA on AGP - is possible? (Message 1122124)
Posted 27 Jun 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
(...)
Does anyone knows if the new detonatordrivers running @ windows 2000 Server? (for another machine)


It looks like 257.21 is the last nVIDIA driver for Win 2000 Server.

Message 1115510 and following.

If so, the latest CUDA app is the x32f_cuda30 of Lunatics Installer V0.37 which could run.
The x38g_cuda32 app of Lunatics Installer V0.38 need at least 263.06 nVIDIA driver.
OTOH, there is also the possibility for to let run the stock S@h Enhanced 6.x_cuda_x apps.

BTW. Where is the officially area for to DL the Win 2000 Server nVIDIA driver?
If I look, the min OS which I could choose is WinXP.


- Best regards! - Sutaru Tsureku, team seti.international founder. - Optimize your PC for higher RAC. - SETI@home needs your help. -


The XP drive normally works fine in XP. For my test machines at work I use ghost images of every OS. Normally I just download the XP x86 & XP x64 drivers. Then use those for each OS from 2000 to Windows 7. I launch the Nvidia installer & then stop it once it has extracted the files. Then I just place them in a storage location. I do this with the ATI drivers as well. Really any other drivers I need on the systems.

This sames me a lot of time. Since 16 OS's in several languages takes enough time to install & setup as it is.
5079) Message boards : Number crunching : CUDA on AGP - is possible? (Message 1121041)
Posted 24 Jun 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
What stores offer such GPUs?
Maybe, it's just typos ?


alternate.de /PCI cards overview

If I click to the GPUs and look to the connectors it's PCI.

Club 3D HD5450 PCI Edition
ZOTAC GeForce GT430


- Best regards! - Sutaru Tsureku, team seti.international founder. - Optimize your PC for higher RAC. - SETI@home needs your help. -


Wow good find. The pictures do defiantly show universal 3.3/5v conventional PCI connectors on those cards. I don't think I would want one for gaming, but for S@H use probably work fine.

You will be first to buy one to test/benchmark for us? :)

Also here is the PCI card on the Zotac website.


Not available in the US though.


Searching the internet I can only find it listed on German & Swiss retail sites. However I think it is new. As a lot of them have June 2011 date for when they started listing it.
5080) Message boards : Number crunching : CUDA on CPU's???......... (Message 1121033)
Posted 24 Jun 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
This is their attempt to keep CUDA relevant.

With OpenCL support for ATI, CPU, & NVIDIA already in place. They want developers to use their stuff to make apps instead of ditching them for OpenCL based solutions.
5081) Message boards : Number crunching : CUDA on AGP - is possible? (Message 1120952)
Posted 24 Jun 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
What stores offer such GPUs?
Maybe, it's just typos ?


alternate.de /PCI cards overview

If I click to the GPUs and look to the connectors it's PCI.

Club 3D HD5450 PCI Edition
ZOTAC GeForce GT430


- Best regards! - Sutaru Tsureku, team seti.international founder. - Optimize your PC for higher RAC. - SETI@home needs your help. -


Wow good find. The pictures do defiantly show universal 3.3/5v conventional PCI connectors on those cards. I don't think I would want one for gaming, but for S@H use probably work fine.

You will be first to buy one to test/benchmark for us? :)

Also here is the PCI card on the Zotac website.
5082) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (49) Server problems? (Message 1120926)
Posted 24 Jun 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have noticed that for some people on their trace route the last hops looks like this.

14 84ms 86ms 90ms 208.68.243.254
15 89ms 84ms 88ms setiboinc.ssl.berkeley.edu [208.68.240.20]

However for some it looks a bit like this.

14 84ms 86ms 90ms 208.68.243.254
15 * * *
16 * * *
17 * * *
18 * * *

Sort of like their might be two different routes from 208.68.243.254.

5083) Message boards : Number crunching : Credit (Message 1120584)
Posted 23 Jun 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I can do better than that:

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/workunit.php?wuid=766974963


Oh yeah, take this! :)
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/workunit.php?wuid=767612252

Actually I find it a bit odd. That I have two results on the same machine, with the same AR's, with similar run times(3,879.18s vs 3,875.84s) & with vastly different credit. Both were validated with the same wingman & app.

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/workunit.php?wuid=767804162
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/workunit.php?wuid=767804283

That one defiantly makes me scratch my head there.
5084) Message boards : Number crunching : Credit (Message 1120551)
Posted 23 Jun 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Shorties are less than average pay typically.
5085) Message boards : Number crunching : Lunatics Windows Installer v0.38 release notes (Message 1118710)
Posted 18 Jun 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
If somebody gets a valid test on the 266.58 stable driver VS newer or current versions using the new apps, the kitties are curious whether it is worth risking the upgrade.
And this would be, I guess, a separate question for 200 series cards and Fermi class cards.

Meow.

I was using driver 266.58 with the F app and left it the same for the G app on host 5530010. However I am using an 8500GT so I'm not sure if that will help you in any way.
I didn't do any benchmarking like Sutaru did, but the time estimates in BOINC were going down quickly after changing the app.
5086) Message boards : Number crunching : CPU + GPU, Is CPU Needed? (Message 1118707)
Posted 18 Jun 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Running the new Lunatics 38g in a Q6600 Rig with 2xGTX460 768MB (336 cores each). The installer sets the CPU to be .04 + GPU.

I'm wondering if the CPU's are slowing down the GTX460's? Should that ratio be changed, or should I not have CPU at all in there?

:EDIT::

GPU-Z Shows about 87% GPU Load Average over time, running 2 WU's) That seems like a lot of GPU left on the table.

Your GPU utilization may go up and down during processing. It could also stay pegged at a specific percent through the whole file. It all depends on what is in the task you are processing. The 256MB 8500GT I use normally run in the 90-98% utilization area for normal tasks. Shorties can be all over the place.
5087) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (48) Server problems? (Message 1118436)
Posted 17 Jun 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Uploads are intermittently failing, but eventually they all got through. Seems like the upload server is very busy this evening.

Only thing of concern is the status page being 27 hours old.

I have seen the server status page update at least 3 or 4 times today. At first this morning the upload server was disabled. Then later it was Running. Then disabled again. Now it shows running again.
At the moment the time stamp on it is [As of 17 Jun 2011 | 23:30:06 UTC]
Maybe you were seeing a cached page?
5088) Message boards : Number crunching : one of five won't connect at all (Message 1118377)
Posted 17 Jun 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
When you tell BOINC to update do you get any response? Something along the lines of this is what I would expect in the messages tab.
6/17/2011 4:07:58 PM SETI@home update requested by user
6/17/2011 4:08:00 PM SETI@home Sending scheduler request: Requested by user.
6/17/2011 4:08:00 PM SETI@home Not reporting or requesting tasks
6/17/2011 4:08:03 PM SETI@home Scheduler request completed
If there is no response of any kind then you may need to enable the HTTP debugging flags to do further investigation.
5089) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (48) Server problems? (Message 1118375)
Posted 17 Jun 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
All uploads and downloads in the bag. Now for a completely smoothly working week end

Well now you did it. It has been jinxed. :(
5090) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (48) Server problems? (Message 1118369)
Posted 17 Jun 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The fix or turned back on the upload server a while ago. So we should just be in 'recovery mode' for a while. Until something else breaks. :D
5091) Message boards : Number crunching : Preferences to hold x days of work seems to have no influence (Message 1118251)
Posted 17 Jun 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hopefully now that you have 5 days set you will get sufficient work. Once the current issues that are on going get sorted out.
If you are not aware you can check the Server Status for server problems. Also there might be some info in the current "Panic Mode On" thread if you are having connection issues.
At the moment the upload server is offline. So once your computer reaches the set limit your downloads will stop until the uploads go through.
5092) Message boards : Number crunching : What's going on?? (Message 1118076)
Posted 16 Jun 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Not able to report, or upload. Not only is the server status page dead, the cricket graph is dead also: http://fragment1.berkeley.edu/newcricket/grapher.cgi?target=/router-interfaces/inr-250/gigabitethernet2_3&ranges=d%3Aw&view=Octets

EDIT: Cricket graph not dead, but slow to update.


The Server status page is no longer dead, it's now up to date.

At the time I looked at it, [As of 16 Jun 2011 | 21:40:10 UTC], the upload server is Disabled.

And of course we must all blame Michael for jinxing everything. lol :)
5093) Message boards : Number crunching : 110V instead of 230V, less W consumption? (Message 1118075)
Posted 16 Jun 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Also I normally see a small voltage potential between neutral & earth ground at the outlets. Normally <1v but I have seen as high as 3v between the two.


This is due to the resistance between the ground and return. Any current caught in a ground loop, passes over that resistance, and causes a voltage. V=IR or Voltage = Current times Resistance. Where Voltage is in Volts (AC or DC), current in in Amps, and resistance is in Ohms.

Power (Watts) = Current (Amps) times voltage (Volts)

Actually due to resistance in the neutral circuit. It is the one carrying the current. The ground circuit just carries the power to move the meter.

I might begin to worry at 3V if the conductor size was correct for the current being carried. Check your electric code.

I've seen some wild things here because the utility here uses a single cable, the two insulated hots wrapped around a bare neutral. The bare neutral is AL wrapped over a steel core. Squirrels like to sharpen their teeth on the AL and frequently break the connection. Then the steel has to carry the current and it isn't up to the task. Blinking lights all over the neighborhood.

The supply line going into my dads place was like that before he upgraded to 150A service. Which also resulted in it being a buried line.
I haven't seen anything over 1V in a while. Since I just got home from work I did some checking in my new place and I got between 80-90mV depending on the outlets location. It has been a few years since I finished my degree for electrical engineering, but I don't recall us doing to much with the NEC. Doing some checking NJ doesn't seem to have adopted the 2011 version yet.
5094) Message boards : Number crunching : Boinc 2.0 ??? (Message 1118064)
Posted 16 Jun 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Question I never got answered is if the fiber is capable of 1000 and only the boxes are the bottleneck.

That's the implication of Matt's technical posts:

13 Jan 2011
05 Apr 2011

Eric also teased us with a bit of info on June 8th in one of the NC threads.
5095) Message boards : Number crunching : 110V instead of 230V, less W consumption? (Message 1118010)
Posted 16 Jun 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:


On 240VAC, still with 3 conductors, you have hot hot ground. The two hots are on opposite phases, so there is no need for a neutral because the opposite-phases end up canceling each other out and makes a flat line, essentially. Now, half the amperage is drawn on each hot leg, but then there are two legs, so the power consumption is nearly identical. But what 240VAC will allow you to do is run a smaller gauge wire since only half the load is going to be on each conductor.



Not supposed to be three...should be four conductors...hot, hot, neutral
and ground. Each hot pulls off of a different post in the breaker panel
and as you also noted, neutral and ground are often (but shouldn't be)
connected together at the panel. I hate electricians that don't do this
right!

I would expect better efficiency from the higher voltage though. As someone
else above noted, there is less loss in the higher voltage. I know with water
the friction loss is exponential, I would expect similar results with
power...after all, wiring and plumbing are very similar! :)


Uhh...
If I am not mistaken, code here requires the neutral and earth ground to be bonded together at the main panel, but not at a sub-feed panel.


Out of curiosity. Might that get done as far back as in the meter? In every panel I have opened, in OK & NJ, the neutral & ground bus bars haven't been connected.

Also I normally see a small voltage potential between neutral & earth ground at the outlets. Normally <1v but I have seen as high as 3v between the two.
5096) Message boards : Number crunching : Boinc 2.0 ??? (Message 1118005)
Posted 16 Jun 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Well............let's spam Eric then...

Just Kidding

LOL...I don't think that would help either.
I'm sure nobody would like to see it happen more than he would.

It would either fix a lotta difficulties or reveal the next bottleneck.

Maybe we should just send them actual Hormel SPAM. If they didn't eat it they could use it to threaten the campus IS department in some way.

In reality unless someone want to purchase/rent a data center, with associated 24/7 on site support, in the area of the campus for the S@H guys to use as their own. I don't ever expect everything to run smoothly 24/7 for any length of time.

Then again as a professional test engineer I expect everything to fail. So my view might be skewed a bit.
5097) Message boards : Number crunching : Boinc 2.0 ??? (Message 1117934)
Posted 16 Jun 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have debated with myself for some time about writing this.............

The Seti project has for some time had serious problems in it's day to day operations. Let's face it...for the most part the Seti project does not work. We have thrown a lot of money at this problem in the last 6 months but still the project cannot stay online with any reliablilty.

Am I the only one to suspect that there are serious problems in the Seti server code? Problems that are limiting the process? The main problem in my view is the 2 process approach of uploading and then reporting the completed work units. This 2 step process works against network efficiency.

Is Seti a victim of it's own popularity? Surely. But I believe a better, more efficient server side implementation could have been done.

Maybe it's time for Boinc 2.0

Flame suit ready!!

I think there are some issues in the BOINC server code that causes a few things to go wonky now and then. I don't think coding issues are an issue when it comes down to up/downloading though. The 2 step upload & report process may not be the most efficient, but is probably more robust. But on the side of efficiency it does weigh in that the data does not have to be transferred again in the event of a report failure.

At the moment I would think the largest issue for transfers is that we are simply overwhelming what the equipment can handle often.
5098) Message boards : Number crunching : 110V instead of 230V, less W consumption? (Message 1117915)
Posted 16 Jun 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I saw a report in TV, that someone made a voltage transformers for to reduce the 230 V to 200 V.
This hardware is directly after the house electric meter. So all electric consumer get only 200 V.
For all newer hardware is this enough. And they consume then less W.
But this is not cheap.

How about to reduce only the V for the PCs? ...

For PCs, the lower mains supply voltage usually causes the PSUs to "work harder" and slightly less efficiently. At a lower input voltage, you need more pulses of current for a given power output, and hence more wasted heat from the switching power transistors.

For other house loads such as heaters and lights, the lower voltage means you will get less power dissipated. Hence, your (incandescent) lights will be a little dimmer, and it will take longer to boil water in an electric kettle.

The 'compact fluorescent' bulbs will grab higher current for a lower input voltage to maintain their output brightness.

So... All that gives a big loss for inefficiency and extra power loss due to requiring higher currents at the lower voltage.

Worse still... Power companies will deliberately lower the mains voltage a little (brown out) to reduce peak power consumption from unregulated loads such as heaters and motors. If you've already 'browned out' your supply with a step-down transformer, then you could well drive your equipment with too low a voltage... For motors such as for your freezer, aircon, heating and so on, you could have the motors stall and damage their windings with a high stall current.


So, for my summary:

All bad and a bit of a con-trick.


There's far far better and more efficient ways to save energy.

Good luck,
Martin

Hopefully the device Sutaru saw was a constant voltage transformer, or power conditioner, instead of just a step-down transformer.
5099) Message boards : Number crunching : What's going on?? (Message 1117913)
Posted 16 Jun 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I'm able to upload... I'm able to download... I can report in... All my cores have plenty of work... Even my laptop is happy and not complaining about anything... Something must be up - the project can't be running this smooth... :)

And your BOINC Stats signature image is broken.
5100) Message boards : Number crunching : Lunatics Windows Installer v0.38 release notes (Message 1117833)
Posted 16 Jun 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I had a small issue of BOINC nuking all the CUDA tasks after running the v0.38 installer. However, I think it was probably my own doing and since I backed everything up I didn't actually loose anything.

With the installer I notice the plan class for for the versions are like this which is probably correct.

<version_num>610</version_num>
<plan_class>cuda_fermi</plan_class>
<version_num>609</version_num>
<plan_class>cuda23</plan_class>
<version_num>608</version_num>
<plan_class>cuda</plan_class>

As I had manually added 609 and 610 sections to my old file it looked like this.

<version_num>610</version_num>
<plan_class>cuda</plan_class>
<version_num>609</version_num>
<plan_class>cuda</plan_class>
<version_num>608</version_num>
<plan_class>cuda</plan_class>

Once I saw the difference I changed them all to <plan_class>cuda</plan_class> as I had previously.

Should I let the CUDA tasks run dry and then correct the <plan_class> information, or does it not really matter that much?
5101) Message boards : Number crunching : Ok, I admit. I am officially impressed. (Message 1117825)
Posted 16 Jun 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Yes but it's easily enough given a Windows partition and booting into that. My cooling mods should be sufficient to run it decently - at 100% cpu it's typically at 135 fahrenheit, even less than my old Athlon 64x2 box.

My Sapphire HD4870 only ran it's cooling fan in the 40-45% range running the MB app. Depending on your cases airflow this seemed to be pretty standard across other 4xxx cards. I think some saw as high at 60% fan speeds.
5102) Message boards : Number crunching : 110V instead of 230V, less W consumption? (Message 1117821)
Posted 16 Jun 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
In actual fact if you read a lot of good PSU reviews you'll find that 110V is much less efficient to start with than 220-240V so stick with what you have without adding the extra losses required while reducing that voltage added to the sum. ;)

Cheers.

I have seen this on all of the PSU makers labels as well. However I wonder if the 240v rating is for 50Hz and the 120v rating is for 60Hz. As all of my PSUs are 100-240v by design I plan to do some efficiency tests by only switching the input voltage.


As for the transformers that reduce the voltage I have seen these before. In airbase RADAR rooms they are used to maintain a constant voltage to vital equipment at all times. So when a brownout occurs, where the line voltage drops 5-20v, there is no change on their end and their backup power systems don't have to kick in.

Our company uses a system to maintain a constant 100v, instead of our normal 120v, in our environmental test lab.
5103) Message boards : Number crunching : Ok, I admit. I am officially impressed. (Message 1117810)
Posted 16 Jun 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Wait a second.

Guys - I've got a HD 4850 and just presumed it wouldn't do any kind of crunching because ATI wasn't really working yet or hadn't been.

Does this mean on my quadcore Corei7 2.8 ghz machine I could crunch NINE workunits at once versus the 8 I get with just optimized enhanced?

Would this make significant enhancements to my RAC?

Yes there have been ATI applications for a while now, but only for windows. Looking over your machine list it looks like your i7-860 is running OS X?
5104) Message boards : Number crunching : ATI GPU apps for HD3xxx? (Message 1117467)
Posted 15 Jun 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Is this the only app which could run on a HD3850?
lunatics.kwsn.net/ Hybrid ATI GPU/CPU AstroPulse for Windows r453 NO_DOUBLE

And that's the related thread?
lunatics.kwsn.net/ CPU/ATI GPU hybrid AstroPulse for Windows released

BTW. Why no DP (double precision)?

Thanks!


- Best regards! - Sutaru Tsureku, team seti.international founder. - Optimize your PC for higher RAC. - SETI@home needs your help. -

The originally version of hybrid app was for double only if I remember. Then during test I think it was found that double app did not have a gain vs no double app. So released version became no double to work with all cards.

That could all be wrong. Beta testing was a very long time ago. I have slept many many times since then.
5105) Message boards : Number crunching : Ok, I admit. I am officially impressed. (Message 1117457)
Posted 15 Jun 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Guys this was worked out in Beta testing. There's no need to repeat the testing. Running 2 WU's on a 4XXX series card will not help you. stick with 1 at a time or upgrade to a 5XXX or 6XXX if you want to run multiple WU's

For a 5xxx card it probably needs to be a 58xx for more than 1. The 5770 does not seem to gain anything running 2. At least in testing I just saw roughly double times when running 2. Maybe an overclocked 57xx could do better.
5106) Message boards : Number crunching : Ok, I admit. I am officially impressed. (Message 1117364)
Posted 15 Jun 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:


Could my 4850 with 1Gig do 2 WU's at a time you think?


Just a reminder that the 4XXX series cards CANNOT run more than 1 WU at a time


Heh, thanks for so quickly pointing out that fact. I tried the 2 option, but nothing happened. Now I don't have to get grey hair trying to figure out why it didn't work :-)

<count>1</count> also would need to be changed to <count>.5</count> to run 2 IIRC. While you can force more than 1 to run on some cards it does not net any benefit. My 5770 for instance would just run 2 at twice as long. Also I think there is a problem is you have -instances_per_device 2 and <count>1</count>. Something about an error sometimes.
5107) Message boards : Number crunching : Ok, I admit. I am officially impressed. (Message 1117322)
Posted 15 Jun 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Yeah, I made the plunge recently and installed the ATi MultiBeam app on my ATi Radeon HD 6970 and I'm pretty impressed with my speed.

However, I have run into a couple caveats. It seems that the application isn't compatible with any driver newer than 11.2. Whenever I tried installing a newer graphics driver, it kept blue-screening both mine and my gf's computers. Reverting back to 11.2 fixed this.

Also, since I am a gamer, I have it set to only use the GPU after 5 minutes of inactivity. The problem is, if I walk away with a video paused or a game still running and I don't return in 5 minutes, my entire PC is locked up and I have to do a hard reboot to start using it again.



I'm strickly a NVIDIA guy and am not a gamer as such, but in the BM under the TOOLS menu item, click COMPUTING PREFERENCES, then make sure the USE GPU WHILE COMPUTER IS IN USE box is unchecked. This works for me when viewing movies and what little games I use like Soltaire.


I don't use local preferences, and if I allow the GPU to use used while the computer is in use, I get lots of stuttering and horrible frame rates in World of Warcraft.

Perhaps the use of <exclusive_gpu_app> would fix things for you.
5108) Message boards : Number crunching : Ok, I admit. I am officially impressed. (Message 1117291)
Posted 15 Jun 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Doing just MB my HD4870 & Core 2 Duo E8400 they were producing a RAC of nearly the same as one of my i7-860 machines.
5109) Message boards : Number crunching : Installing ati apps while WU in Queue ( Cache in Boinc ) (Message 1117289)
Posted 15 Jun 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
If I am going to mess around with things where I think I might loose all the work on the system I do this process.
1) Suspend network activity.
2) Shutdown BOINC.
3) Backup BOINC program & data folders.
I like to just stuff it in .rar file with little/no compression. In my case I have my data inside of the program folder. So I don't have have to keep track of things in to locations.
4) Mess around with whatever I want to play with.
5) Restore backup copy when/if something goes wrong.
6) Delete .rar backup data once finished messing around & BOINC is running happily again.
7) Resume network activity.

There are some cases where BOINC will flag the work as "aborted" depending on what you are playing around with. So those tasks will not be able to get resent if things went wonky.
5110) Message boards : Number crunching : Win 7 service pack 1..... (Message 1116691)
Posted 13 Jun 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Oh... It's vista32. OK, you win.

lol Vista FTL indeed.

I personally have never had an issue with any of the sleep/hibernate/powersave functions working correctly within windows on any of the machines I have had in the past 17-18 years or so.

Computers always seem to have their own personality. Even for machines that are exactly the same. At the moment 5 of the i7's I've got are "exactly the same" in that they all have the save hardware, drivers, and OS installations. However each one of them has its own little quirks.
5111) Message boards : Number crunching : Bionic 6.12.26 (64-bit) (Message 1116650)
Posted 13 Jun 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I actually use the old manager with 6.12.26. I don't care for the new version so won't be using it. Most of my machines run with loading the manager anyway. So not a huge deal for me.
5112) Message boards : Number crunching : Bionic 6.12.26 (64-bit) (Message 1116647)
Posted 13 Jun 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
what happened to the messages? Notices is new but only gives info I can get on the home page. I really liked having the information provided in the messages tab. Why was it removed. Bring it back please!

It was just moved to a super secret location.

I don't have BOINC in front of my at the moment, but IIRC it was under advanced or view.
5113) Message boards : Number crunching : Win 7 service pack 1..... (Message 1116639)
Posted 13 Jun 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The only issue I found with it was after installing SP1 windows mail no longer functioned in 7. Getting it to work in 7 before the SP involved a bunch of jiggery-pokery in the first place. So it looks like they did all they could to keep it form working at all.
5114) Message boards : Number crunching : Before you buy any new DDR3 RAM. (Message 1116638)
Posted 13 Jun 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
When they said it is "faster" i was hoping they meant faster timings & not just 1600 parts. I have used DDR3 1600 in my HTPC for over a year now.
5115) Message boards : Number crunching : Is this normal? (Message 1115535)
Posted 10 Jun 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Some time ago I grew weary of the CPU & GPU requests acting in a way I thought was weird. I only request work for CPU then reschedule tasks to the GPU. It is the solution that works best for me.
5116) Message boards : Number crunching : Power Down Week (Message 1115531)
Posted 10 Jun 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The kitties' carbon pawprint has been much smaller so far this summer than in past years.....
Have forgone running the AC so far and been shutting down most of the crunching farm during hot weather.
Not so much as out of concern for the environment as much as concern for the electric bill...LOL.


Just affix a fan to your power meter and use it to cool you off when running the farm. That should do it. :)
5117) Message boards : Number crunching : Is this normal? (Message 1115474)
Posted 10 Jun 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
From what I have seen. When the request is "Requesting new tasks for CPU and GPU" you might only get GPU tasks. I figured it was just the feeder running out of tasks to assign at that instant. And apparently tasks are assigned to the GPU before the CPU when both are requested at the same time.
5118) Message boards : Number crunching : Q6600 and SSE3 or SSSE3 etc (Message 1115449)
Posted 10 Jun 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
YMMV but often the SSSE3 application is a smudge quicker than the SSE3 application. The SSE4 application can be faster in some cases, but generally you need some really fast memory to take advantage of it.

Q6600s don't support SSE4 - just re-tested with CPU-Z

As I advise anybody to do before jumping to conclusions (or relying on memory) when installing an app.

Full marks to Alaskan for asking.


Thanks for pointing that out. I always forget about that. I keep thinking all the Core 2 processors support it since my E8400 does.
5119) Message boards : Number crunching : Q6600 and SSE3 or SSSE3 etc (Message 1115424)
Posted 10 Jun 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
YMMV but often the SSSE3 application is a smudge quicker than the SSE3 application. The SSE4 application can be faster in some cases, but generally you need some really fast memory to take advantage of it.
5120) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (47) Server problems? (Message 1115403)
Posted 10 Jun 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Damn I must have missed it, please remind me next time it happens ;-)

October 21st., IIRC

I hope that that date is European or north American time? Hopefully so that we here can enjoy half the day at least before the crap happens. :D

Cheers.

Pretty sure it should be Hawaiian time.

That way we will have plenty of time to get everything done & fine ET before the "day" is over.
5121) Message boards : Number crunching : ATI question (Message 1115179)
Posted 9 Jun 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
However, despite that I do not have any ATI app installed, Boinc keeps asking for GPU work. Is there anything I can do to stop it from asking for GPU work, until I have GPU apps installed?

It will ask, on the off chance that this project (or any other project you might be attached to) might have an application to send you, and some work to go with it. Since that isn't the case at SETI, you won't get an app, and without an app, you won't get any work. Just leave it alone, and it'll go quiet - down to one test request every 24 hours or so.

[rant mode on]
This one gets my goat, every time. There's a perfectly good mechanism in place to prevent this, which - I'm pleased to say - I was responsible for getting BOINC to adopt in the first place. Look at your SETI@home preferences page - there's a control for "Use NVIDIA GPU" - that's mine. There's a matching one for "Use ATI GPU" - you can see it on the Beta project: it's installed here too, but you can't see it, because there's no ATI app. Yet they leave it defaulted to 'yes', even though it's useless. And until somebody installs an app, you can't turn the bloody thing off.
[/rant mode]

I am guessing that once the v7 software gets rolled out that will include a standard Ati app? Which would then give the web pref setting for Ati?
[rant]
I believe the settings for use CPU, NVIDIA, & ATI should get brought into the client so it doesn't sit there and mindlessly ask for work. *shakes fist in air*
[/rant]
5122) Message boards : Number crunching : Before you buy any new DDR3 RAM. (Message 1115164)
Posted 9 Jun 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
If you were thinking of getting some new ram it might be worth it to hold off a wee bit longer. They are claiming "two-thirds more energy efficient than more common 60nm chips and 20 percent faster that its own 40nm ones".
http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/09/samsungs-30nm-ddr3-dram-boosts-speeds-cuts-power-consumption/
5123) Message boards : Number crunching : Inconsistant stats production (SETI) (Message 1115100)
Posted 9 Jun 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Todays stats were produced 10 hours earlier than normal.

Sometimes I wonder if these anomolies are designed to test the patience limits of the stats junkies......

I think they do like to mess with us a bit. It keeps us on our toes.

A year or two ago they stats were done around between 5-7PM EST on a a pretty constant basis.
5124) Message boards : Number crunching : Power Down Week (Message 1114553)
Posted 8 Jun 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
June 25th though July 3rd is national Power Down Week, a multiday event of energy conservation.

http://www.facebook.com/PowerDownWeek

People will be turning off their air conditioners, using natural light, etc.

My main waste of power is my computers, many of which are running SETI@Home.

I would like to suggest that the SETI@Home community stop processing and turn off you computers for at least one day, July 25th, or possibly the whole week, show solidarity with the environmental movement and save energy.


I think you might have meant June 25th instead of July?

Sounds like a cool idea that expands on the Earth Hour and The World 24 hr power OFF day.
5125) Message boards : Number crunching : Quick question about installing side fans. (Message 1112795)
Posted 3 Jun 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I use either screws that thread into the plastic


Pity they can't spell coarse! Wish I could find a source in the uk ....

Hmmm... yeah I was just using them for their photo.

Also a good source of thin wire for tying things is the copper wire inside a network cable. Preferably solid core, but the stranded stuff will net you even thinner wire. I have used the strands with the coating on for bundling cables. then with the wire stripped there are many uses. Such as securing various things in place with that nice coppery look.
5126) Message boards : Number crunching : Struggling Downloads!! (Message 1112790)
Posted 3 Jun 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
A single 100 Mb pipe? OMG! That is so 1999.

They actually have a 1GB pipe, but due to bureaucratic reasons the hardware on campus it runs though only handles 100MB.
5127) Message boards : Number crunching : Very disappointing results for optimized SETI: what's wrong ? (Message 1112736)
Posted 3 Jun 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
From the many posts I have seen by the guys at Lunatics most of the optimization comes from manually rewriting bits of code not just compiling it for the best processing feature set.
5128) Message boards : Number crunching : Struggling Downloads!! (Message 1112718)
Posted 3 Jun 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I´m just wondering why it doesn´t get any better.
There are 6.7 million units out in the field.

In a word - shorties.

I dont think so.
Not for 7 days in a row.
There was already 6,1 miilion out before the storage server broke.

Yes, so.

Two-thirds of the downloads I've currently got backed-up (33 of 52) are shorties. When the proportion is as high as that, we (collectively) crunch 'em faster than we can download 'em.

Maybe shorties are part of the problem, maybe all the newer AMD/ATi Astropulse w/u's are another part of the problem, but why are certain batches of downloads going fine while others arn't?

Could it just be that one of the download servers isn't playing nice?

But looking at this set of Cricket Graphs (especially the monthly/yearly ones) shows that something more than just the normal shortie storm IMHO (as we had a shortie storm only a few of weeks ago and it didn't cause this much of a problem for so long).

Cheers.


In the past when we have had a lot of AP work to do it would cause the download servers to get maxed out. As the data only takes 5-6 times longer than a MB task, but the download data is about 22 times larger.
5129) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (47) Server problems? (Message 1112657)
Posted 3 Jun 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I think the DL server just needs a reboot.

I think it just needs a rest and a long, cool drink.

A liquid cooled OC48 network connection... I would be OK with that as well. :)
5130) Message boards : Number crunching : Free DC Stats (Message 1112644)
Posted 3 Jun 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
When I have a link into a site I always give the root site a check first. Sometimes sites move the location of where you need to go to see the same information.
5131) Message boards : Number crunching : Quick question about installing side fans. (Message 1112640)
Posted 3 Jun 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I use either screws that thread into the plastic or those little plastic push pin jobs. I once used long threaded screws with nuts, but they drove me crazy as I was always dropping and losing the nuts.
5132) Message boards : Number crunching : Free DC Stats (Message 1112639)
Posted 3 Jun 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The message on their site is pretty self explanatory.
Free-DC website is down until sunday likely. Should be up then along with stats.free-dc.org and setiusa.us.
5133) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows 8 (Message 1112437)
Posted 2 Jun 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
From what I've seen in the video, it looks like it's catering for the mobile community, which may be a good thing in general, but I hope they still retain a "classic" type shell.

At Computex there were showing off how it would run on ARM hardware. However I heard rumors that one of the "Applications" for mobile devices would be Desktop so you would have something along the lines of a normal PC desktop to use.
5134) Message boards : Number crunching : Pending Credit List Has Almost Disappeared (Message 1112433)
Posted 2 Jun 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
With the exception of one AP validator machine this week, validation overall has been performing well. However, the Pending Credit page is always zero; I think they deliberately disabled it.

Real heavy hitter, here. :P

State: All (22) | In progress (7) | Pending (5) | Valid (9) | Invalid (0) | Error (1)
Application: All (22) | Astropulse v5 (0) | Astropulse v505 (2) | SETI@home (0) | SETI@home Enhanced (20)

Yes they did. As has been discussed several times there is no longer a pending credit value stored anywhere. They implemented the new server code from the BOINC guys during the March 8th maintenance.
5135) Message boards : Number crunching : Any ideas why (Message 1112423)
Posted 2 Jun 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
i've reported 57 AP tasks since May 24th, and i'm still waiting on every last one of them to validate. some are waiting for wingmen and some aren't. for those of you who are seeing a significant reduction in the numbers of tasks waiting to validate - are these tasks that are validating typically results that you reported well over a week ago? i have to assume that, in addition to the validation delays caused by the server problems, my tasks might be some of the last to get validated regardless b/c i received, completed, and reported them no more than 10 days ago...


All my pending tasks are awaiting wingman completion. Out of the ones that were validated recently the oldest were from May 25th. As of 18:20:06 UTC the AP workunits waiting for validation was down to 38,480. So it looks like it is cooking through them right now.
5136) Message boards : Number crunching : Any ideas why (Message 1112048)
Posted 1 Jun 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Out of my currently pending 67 AP tasks 37 have a 2nd result and would be waiting to validate. I'm not how many I had pending before but my total AP task count is down from 250 to 242 and I have 6 Valid now.

EDIT: Looking the Valid tasks. All of them have several errors or resends. Like this one. Where I was the last to report.
5137) Message boards : Number crunching : Any ideas why (Message 1112027)
Posted 1 Jun 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
My AP tasks are getting validated. Three were done just a few moments ago.
5138) Message boards : Number crunching : Using different CPUs (Message 1112023)
Posted 1 Jun 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
It works a bit like some multi socket motherboards allow the use of different CPU's in each socket. So you might have a 4 core Xeon in one socket and a 6 core in the other. The web information would show the name of CPU 0 and 10 cores, or 20 if they happen to be HT.

One of the little quirks that exists.
5139) Message boards : Number crunching : Task list Header (Message 1112018)
Posted 1 Jun 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Fun stuff! I guess they decided there was enough CPU/disk overhead to do this.

Now I can watch the validators at work. As the Pending count goes down and the Valid count goes up.
5140) Message boards : Number crunching : Impossible Deadline (Message 1112017)
Posted 1 Jun 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Steven I think the big picture you are not seeing here is that the time of "1 Jun 2011 | 1:29:56 UTC" is/was not the deadline. It is the reported time or the time your computer was done dealing with that task. As the header states "Time reported or deadline". Had you seen the Status of the task at before that time it would have been "not downloaded", or whatever the actual message they use is, and the deadline. However the time stamp displayed now is the Time reported.

If you want to find your log of when you originally tried to download 03mr11ab.14997.11519.10.10.227.vlar_0 look in stdoutdae.txt or stdoutdae.old.
5141) Message boards : Number crunching : Using different CPUs (Message 1112010)
Posted 1 Jun 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Because they chose to only show the name of the primary card from each GPU manufacture. I would guess as most people that use multi GPUs for gaming have all the same card. So putting the list of GPU1, GPU2 & such on the webpage wouldn't be needed, most of the time.

You can have a bit of fun with people by putting a really low end card if for your primary & then filling up on high end cards.
5142) Message boards : Number crunching : Old laptop (Message 1110931)
Posted 29 May 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have played around with WinPE running from various devices and running BOINC from the command line. Each way I tried worked out pretty well. WinPE takes about 200MB or so depending on which build, x86 or x64, you choose.

Having used Linux and windows opt apps on the same machine I have seen lower output with the Linux applications. However, After the v7 apps are out it could be different.
5143) Message boards : Number crunching : pending WUs vs. result inconclusive (Message 1107267)
Posted 18 May 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I think the real solution would be to for them to start parsing the messages in the returned results. Decisions would have to be made on how to handle the events. Which would mean more back end processing & may not be present at this time.

It has been discuses a few times already about how 1 seemingly good results is returned & then two with "Informational message -9 result_overflow" are returned. Causing the overflow results to be the valid pair.



Weren't alot a those False -9, or information overflow, 30 or 31? pulses or spikes, done again. By sending them out to a 3rd and 4th(?) CPU running wingmen?
Maybe I'm dreaming :)
<snip>

Yes, If the initial replication comes up inconclusive the task is sent out again. However, if the next result matches a -9 overflow from the initial replication then the data gets stored as that in the db. This has been discussed a few times already in this thread & this one.
5144) Message boards : Number crunching : pending WUs vs. result inconclusive (Message 1107036)
Posted 17 May 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I think the real solution would be to for them to start parsing the messages in the returned results. Decisions would have to be made on how to handle the events. Which would mean more back end processing & may not be present at this time.
It has been discuses a few times already about how 1 seemingly good results is returned & then two with "Informational message -9 result_overflow" are returned. Causing the overflow results to be the valid pair.
5145) Message boards : Number crunching : drop off in crunching? (Message 1107028)
Posted 17 May 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
RAC is like the stock market. Some days she is up & some days she is down. Prior to the 23rd my RAC was over 72,000 & since has been in a decline to where it is now just under 60,000. Next week it could be at 65,000, who knows.
Looking at your daily numbers from various stat sites can helpful in spotting odd behavior sometimes. In your case is looks like most days are pretty consistent. Other then a few 0 or low days. Which probably correspond to maintenance and or down days.
5146) Message boards : Number crunching : cuda23 never showed progress on BM (Message 1106863)
Posted 16 May 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I haven't had any stickers in a while. Sometimes they would be at 0% or any percent below 100%. When I would find one it would normally be 80-100 hours of run time when the estimates were 3-4 hours. At first I was editing the client_state.xml to restart it & try again. However most of the time they would just get stuck again so I switched to aborting them.
5147) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (46) Server problems (Message 1105679)
Posted 13 May 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I think Matt said a while back that a process was put in place so when the storage area was full things like this would occur automatically. So slightly more graceful than getting weird errors on the client side. With number of results in the field & waiting for validation I would guess this might be what is happening. Then again it would be several things.
Maybe in their other other other spare time they could add new messages to the server page indicating when things are stopped by their watchdog process.
5148) Message boards : Number crunching : Lets talk about RAM and crunching (Message 1105675)
Posted 13 May 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
My old favorite line, "The more the RAM, the better". :)

I line the old line of "640K of memory should be enough for anybody." and despite rumors Bill Gates isn't the one that said it. Well at least he claimed he didn't in an interview once...
5149) Message boards : Number crunching : Lets talk about RAM and crunching (Message 1105389)
Posted 12 May 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I ran 8 CPU as well as 1 or 2 GPU tasks on my i7-860 Win 7 HTPC machine without any issues while having only 4GB of ram. I think I saw close to 2GB in use at one point, but I was doing a lot of other things at the same time.
5150) Message boards : Number crunching : Next Generation Broadband (Message 1105333)
Posted 12 May 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Looks like I don't do to bad on my 15Mb/3Mb line at home.

I was getting really high numbers for any place within 100 miles so I think one is slightly more realistic.


Once I get past 1000 miles it start to drop off, but even to the other side of the planet it isn't to bad.
5151) Message boards : Number crunching : Next Generation Broadband (Message 1104727)
Posted 9 May 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I was planning on getting fiber through Versions FIOS when it came to my area. I thought $65/mo for middle package of 25Mb/25Mb was decent. As I pay about $50/mo for 15Mb/5Mb now with Comcast.
Sadly when I had called Version, three years ago when I moved into the place, they were to incompetent to even manage getting the standard phone line hooked up after a period of 3 months. So I have sworn them off forever on principle.
Honestly, I don't have any issues with my connection now as far as speed is concerned. In the area I live both companies have fiber running all over to distribution boxes. So I'm only a few hundred feet from fiber as it is.
5152) Message boards : Number crunching : i7 2600K vs i5 2500K (Message 1104700)
Posted 9 May 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Is it worth it to pay the extra $100 for the 2600K over the 2500K? For SETI and for general game use?

I'm looking at building a new machine since my old one has been having trouble lately and debating between these. Might hold off and wait for the LGA 2011s though too.

Well for your $100 you get HT, so 8 threads instead of 4, an extra 100MHz, & a slightly faster embedded GPU, that you may or may not use. Personally I'm waiting for Ivy Bridge to come out before I replace my C2D E8400.
5153) Message boards : Number crunching : SETI@home v7 Beta is coming (Message 1104469)
Posted 8 May 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Sorry to ask this, but I tried to understand where was the development of new applications traduissant your words with Google, but I still have a little trouble understanding and .... too many posts to read ....

If someone could give me a summary, thank you to her ...

New application testing is http://setiweb.ssl.berkeley.edu/beta/. You would make an account & attach it as you would another other project. Keep in mind it is for testing out applications so you may not get credit for work done & things of that nature.
5154) Message boards : Number crunching : stuck on high priority (Message 1104467)
Posted 8 May 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
@HAL900: correct date; running boinc 6.10.20; I abbreviated the flag in my email-- the correct one is in cc_config; you get much more detailed info than I get. (It is cc_config.xml, correct?) I'll check again, reboot, and hope for the best.

@BilBg: I want a high switch time period because I want to force boinc to finish what it starts before switching to another task. I run seti and einstein, with a resource request of 999 to 0. I only have einstein running in case seti poops out (and poops out for an extended time so that my seti cache clears). These setting work well on my other hosts, it seems. Boinc or me have problems with only one host.

thx.

Ok I wasn't sure as there is the other flag with that name.
For my output I set cc_config.xml like this:
<cc_config>
      <log_flags>
            <task>0</task>
            <file_xfer>0</file_xfer>
            <sched_ops>1</sched_ops>
            <cpu_sched>0</cpu_sched>
            <cpu_sched_debug>1</cpu_sched_debug>
      </log_flags>
      <options>
            <no_gpus>0</no_gpus>
            <no_priority_change>0</no_priority_change>
            <save_stats_days>180</save_stats_days>
      </options>
</cc_config>

I don't think any of those other flags should effect anything for you though.

If the logging flag isn't functioning & the GUI is malformed as you mentioned before I would say it looks like a case of a slightly snafued file.

If you wanted to check for that you could backup your program folder. Then copy the program files from another machine to that folder. You could also rerun the installation on that machine I suppose, but I'm not a fan of reinstalling something over the top of another.
5155) Message boards : Number crunching : stuck on high priority (Message 1104323)
Posted 8 May 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Is there another debug switch to use? I've enabled the cpu_sched one and, although it adds some information about why a wu is started (mostly resume and intial), it doesn't shed light for me to understand this constant HP mode.

As i mentioned it should be cpu_sched_debug. As cpu_sched is a different debug flag. With the cpu_sched_debug flag on you should see a mess such as the following:
5/8/2011 12:23:29 AM [cpu_sched_debug] Request CPU reschedule: Core client configuration
5/8/2011 12:23:29 AM [cpu_sched_debug] schedule_cpus(): start
5/8/2011 12:23:29 AM SETI@home [cpu_sched_debug] Result 19no10ac.20188.13155.4.10.184_2 projected to miss deadline.
<snip>
5/8/2011 12:23:29 AM SETI@home [cpu_sched_debug] Result 08ja11ad.28907.4975.12.10.2_1 projected to miss deadline.
5/8/2011 12:23:29 AM SETI@home [cpu_sched_debug] Project has 39 projected CPU deadline misses
5/8/2011 12:23:29 AM SETI@home [cpu_sched_debug] earliest deadline: 1307740708 19no10ac.20188.13155.4.10.184_2
5/8/2011 12:23:29 AM SETI@home [cpu_sched_debug] scheduling 19no10ac.20188.13155.4.10.184_2 (CPU job, EDF)
5/8/2011 12:23:29 AM SETI@home [cpu_sched_debug] earliest deadline: 1307761543 24fe11ab.16629.20682.11.10.186_0
5/8/2011 12:23:29 AM SETI@home [cpu_sched_debug] scheduling 24fe11ab.16629.20682.11.10.186_0 (CPU job, EDF)
5/8/2011 12:23:29 AM SETI@home [cpu_sched_debug] earliest deadline: 1307761853 24fe11ab.16629.22318.11.10.10_0
5/8/2011 12:23:29 AM SETI@home [cpu_sched_debug] scheduling 24fe11ab.16629.22318.11.10.10_0 (CPU job, EDF)
5/8/2011 12:23:29 AM SETI@home [cpu_sched_debug] earliest deadline: 1307766723 24fe11ab.29930.5140.12.10.72_0
5/8/2011 12:23:29 AM SETI@home [cpu_sched_debug] scheduling 24fe11ab.29930.5140.12.10.72_0 (CPU job, EDF)
5/8/2011 12:23:29 AM [cpu_sched_debug] Request enforce CPU schedule: schedule_cpus
5/8/2011 12:23:29 AM [cpu_sched_debug] enforce_schedule(): start
5/8/2011 12:23:29 AM [cpu_sched_debug] preliminary job list:
5/8/2011 12:23:29 AM SETI@home [cpu_sched_debug] 0: 19no10ac.20188.13155.4.10.184_2 (MD: yes; UTS: yes)
5/8/2011 12:23:29 AM SETI@home [cpu_sched_debug] 1: 24fe11ab.16629.20682.11.10.186_0 (MD: yes; UTS: yes)
5/8/2011 12:23:29 AM SETI@home [cpu_sched_debug] 2: 24fe11ab.16629.22318.11.10.10_0 (MD: yes; UTS: yes)
5/8/2011 12:23:29 AM SETI@home [cpu_sched_debug] 3: 24fe11ab.29930.5140.12.10.72_0 (MD: yes; UTS: yes)
5/8/2011 12:23:29 AM [cpu_sched_debug] final job list:
5/8/2011 12:23:29 AM SETI@home [cpu_sched_debug] 0: 19no10ac.20188.13155.4.10.184_2 (MD: yes; UTS: yes)
5/8/2011 12:23:29 AM SETI@home [cpu_sched_debug] 1: 24fe11ab.16629.20682.11.10.186_0 (MD: yes; UTS: yes)
5/8/2011 12:23:29 AM SETI@home [cpu_sched_debug] 2: 24fe11ab.16629.22318.11.10.10_0 (MD: yes; UTS: yes)
5/8/2011 12:23:29 AM SETI@home [cpu_sched_debug] 3: 24fe11ab.29930.5140.12.10.72_0 (MD: yes; UTS: yes)
5/8/2011 12:23:29 AM SETI@home [cpu_sched_debug] scheduling 19no10ac.20188.13155.4.10.184_2
5/8/2011 12:23:29 AM SETI@home [cpu_sched_debug] scheduling 24fe11ab.16629.20682.11.10.186_0
5/8/2011 12:23:29 AM SETI@home [cpu_sched_debug] scheduling 24fe11ab.16629.22318.11.10.10_0
5/8/2011 12:23:29 AM SETI@home [cpu_sched_debug] scheduling 24fe11ab.29930.5140.12.10.72_0
5/8/2011 12:23:29 AM SETI@home [cpu_sched_debug] 19no10ac.20188.13155.4.10.184_2 sched state 2 next 2 task state 1
5/8/2011 12:23:29 AM SETI@home [cpu_sched_debug] 24fe11ab.16629.20682.11.10.186_0 sched state 2 next 2 task state 1
5/8/2011 12:23:29 AM SETI@home [cpu_sched_debug] 24fe11ab.16629.22318.11.10.10_0 sched state 2 next 2 task state 1
5/8/2011 12:23:29 AM SETI@home [cpu_sched_debug] 24fe11ab.29930.5140.12.10.72_0 sched state 2 next 2 task state 1
5/8/2011 12:23:29 AM [cpu_sched_debug] enforce_schedule: end

I set my connect every to 30 days to force it into HP mode. However whenever this process runs you should get this output. It lists all the tasks that it thinks will miss their deadline. In my case 39, but your output might be much longer.

I know it is silly, but you did check to make sure the date on the PC is correct right?
5156) Message boards : Number crunching : Multi core greater than 80 core (Message 1104127)
Posted 7 May 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I've been wondering how people have been racking up the millions on dual core and four core machines when I'm just chugging along with my multiple 16+ core systems...

I for one have a large number of idle machines on hand & 99.99999% of their time is spent processing S@H work. Depending on the workload of your 16 core machines & when they are allowed to run I would think they would do about 15,000 a day in RAC.
The use of optimized apps increases the efficiency by making use of the advanced functions in the processors.
If you want to go crazy then you put 4 dual processor video cards in a system & it cranks out several 10,000's worth of RAC a day. Some ever crack over 100,000. GPU computing while powerful seems to be "temperamental".
With 8 & 10 core CPU's having 80 logical processors is a fun idea & hopefully getting them all going full tilt can be done.
5157) Message boards : Number crunching : Multi core greater than 80 core (Message 1103946)
Posted 6 May 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
64GB RAM, 57GB available according to Task Mangler. 6.5GB paging.

It seems like when Multibeam is running, Astropulse is not...and perhaps vice-versa. Thoughts?

I just recently changed my settings to use Astropulse 5.05. I'm going to turn that off again and see if my cpu usage scales again...

Edit: Actually, i just looks like Astropulse is running significantly slower in comparison...it doesn't update in the Boinc Mangler nearly as quickly (with regard to percentage of task completed in the progress column) as the Multibeam tasks...

I wonder if the manager is spending to much time trying to get the status of 80 running tasks it is bogging everything down.
5158) Message boards : Number crunching : Multi core greater than 80 core (Message 1103908)
Posted 6 May 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Ok, next thing I am noticing now is...

I now have 80 tasks running. However, I am only getting ~ 36% CPU usage overall according to Task Mangler. And when I look at the tasks in BOINC Mangler, all the astropulse ones are not running...they are just stopped at various percentages of completion. What gives?

What is the Status for these "stopped" tasks? If they are "waiting to run" then it might be ok. If they are "running" something weird might be going on.

With 36% that would only be about 28/80 CPUs in use. With 80 tasks running you might be hitting a bottleneck on the machine. Such as disk or memory running to far behind to keep up with all the CPU work. I'm not sure that would be the issue, but you could try reducing the number of running tasks to see if that helps. If you ran only 40 tasks & achieved 50% CPU load I think that would be a clean indication something is slowing things down. I'm sure using the built in tools to watch the memory and disk load could be done as well, but I don't always have faith in those for troubleshooting.
5159) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (46) Server problems (Message 1103861)
Posted 6 May 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Stats are not normal for the past week or two. Machines appear to be functioning normally but top producers on the team are all seeing declining daily stats. Is there a problem at Berkeley?

I think the "shorty storm" drove everyone's stats down a bit. I normally see about 15% fluctuation over time. One of my machines currently has a RAC value of ~7500. A week or a few weeks ago it was at ~8800. It just sits in a corner of my lab and chugs along.
5160) Message boards : Number crunching : Multi core greater than 80 core (Message 1103860)
Posted 6 May 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
How does Todd Hebert have 64 processors on this system showing?

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/show_host_detail.php?hostid=5480331

Edit: Hmm, just checked my account again and it now shows for my 40 core machine 60 processors...man, this is some goofy stuff...

When you get near limits wackiness normally ensues. :) Is the 40 core machine 80 logical processors? I'm guessing quad 10 core CPUs with HT. It seems quah 8 cores with HT isn't to hard, but maybe these 10 core beasts are a different animal all together.
5161) Message boards : Number crunching : 5670 or 5770 (Message 1103855)
Posted 6 May 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
..... but I don't think I have seen anyone with a 5600 card yet.


My host has a 5670 in it, but the 5670 does an AP in around 90 mins for a zero blanked task, and a mid-range AR MB task n around 60mins

Have you run any MB work on the 5670? It might be useful info for the OP.
I was seeing ~40m per task on my 5750 & running 2 at once didn't gain anything.
5162) Message boards : Number crunching : 5670 or 5770 (Message 1103614)
Posted 5 May 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have 2 systems, one is a dual Opteron 200 (nope, not 2000) series, years old, the other is a Phenom II X 4. Both have 8 GB RAM, although the Opteron system only recognizes 6.
Anyway, I have bought 3 video cards and want to know if either should get a 5770 instead of a 5670. I am not a gamer, and not likely to be one, either. So, the sole consideration is SETI / BOINC. Is the extra money worth it for the 5770? Try as I might, I cannot find comparisons of one vs the other for SETI / BOINC work.
I've been doing SETI stuff since my expensive new 486, but this will be the first time that I'll be doing any with a GPU; in that regard, I am a total newbie.
I humbly request your advice.
Thanks!
Rob

The currently released Lunatics ATI OpenCL MB app requires the card to support 256 threads per block. I have no idea what the 5600 cards support, but I do know the 5700 cards are good. I have playing around with my 5750 & others are running the 5770, but I don't think I have seen anyone with a 5600 card yet.
5163) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (46) Server problems (Message 1103612)
Posted 5 May 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
What isn't working for me is that from my account page, if I click on any in my friends list, I get

The website cannot display the page
HTTP 500
Most likely causes:
•The website is under maintenance.
•The website has a programming error.

What you can try:
Refresh the page.

Go back to the previous page.

More information



Steve

Edit: now it does the same thing no matter where I click on anyones name. It did work for Vyper, but no one else.

Edit #2: Now I can't even get to my team roster. Something strange is going on...

I saw this last night & it was confusing me as firefox just displays a blank page with no error of any kind. In IE I get the server error 500 message.... so ummm... "Go IE!"... or something.

Should we start taking bets on what the issue might be? Thinman going bonkers, drive issues with jocelyn again/still, or the aliens mucking with things to try and stop us? :)
5164) Message boards : Number crunching : How to: Projects in which [Blank] is participating? (Message 1103414)
Posted 5 May 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thank you Jahn, hopefully it will update soon. Can you tell me how to get the Bionic Stats in my signature, similar to yours?

Thanks

Go to the BoincStats site for your account http://boincstats.com/stats/boinc_user_graph.php?pr=bo&id=9ff9c05195d40d8add89de32f3a202bd, copy the desired link in the "URL for user signature graphic" section, go to your account on the forum here, edit your "Community preferences", and then put the link in the "Signature for message board posts" using the IMG tag. If you need help with the IMG tag ther is a link for Use BBCode tags to format your text next to the box.

EDIT: From what I have seen it normally only take 24-48 hours for the "Projects in which you are participating" list to update. Although I have seen some people that have their list completely blank even after months/years with 10k+ RAC.
5165) Message boards : Number crunching : Aborting Tasks (Message 1103110)
Posted 4 May 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
ID: 5924646
Details | Tasks
Cross-project stats:
BOINCstats.com Free-DC 38.53 496 6.10.60 GenuineIntel
Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU T7100 @ 1.80GHz [Family 6 Model 15 Stepping 13]
(2 processors) NVIDIA GeForce 8700M GT (241MB) driver: 19716 Microsoft Windows Vista
Home Premium x86 Edition, (06.00.6000.00)

Here's what I'm running on this old laptop, not sure if that will help or not. Cheers.

My MODT uses a T7200. I don't run AP work on it as I have a rule that nothing should take more than 24 hours to complete, but the work on your machine probably would have completed on time if let run.
5166) Message boards : Number crunching : BOINC will not open (Message 1103109)
Posted 4 May 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Well, it is running now, but just do not ask me what buttons I pushed. Every time I try something like this I realize that I should(never) be a computer technician. Lol.

Sometimes Windows just doesn't want to cooperate & you need to reboot it. It could have been such an event for you. Normally I reboot most of my Windows computers once a month whether they need it or not.
5167) Message boards : Number crunching : How much computing power does seti@home need (Message 1103106)
Posted 4 May 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have googled and haven't been able to find an answer to my question below...I hope someone here can answer it

Is there a certain amount of computing power that seti@home needs to perform its analysis? If so how much is it and what percentage of that need is met by the community?

Many thanks for any help!

As much as you are willing to give. There are some people that build machines strictly to run S@H. Which is more than they ask for, but it gets all the work completed. So I don't think they will complain if you wish to do so as well. :D
5168) Message boards : Number crunching : Just a little more... (Message 1103102)
Posted 4 May 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
My current cruncher:

1. Core 2 DUO E6600 (Old I know)(Will not get upgraded)
2. 1 PCI Nvidia gefore 8400GS
3. ATI 4870 PCI Express
4. 1 500 watt power supply (will not get upgraded)
5. Vacant PCI slot
6. Vacant PCI Express Slot

I have a pci express slot and a pci slot remaining what do you think would be the best video cards that i could add to this machine?

I want to keep using all the existing hardware and i cannot upgrade the power supply. (i have no aditional pci express power connectors left, i know that i can use a 4 pin molex to 6 pin pci express adapter but would rather not do so)

Any ideas?

Robert

I put in a P.O. for a load of GT 430 card at work based on comparison to the GT 8500 card I have at work. As it seemed like a good option. I'll find out if the P.O. went through when parts show up in our department.

I have an ATI HD4870 in my home PC. It runs through GPU tasks in about 50 min. Tho it is probably a bit faster than the GT 8400 you have on hand for SETI@home work. My GT8500 take 2.5-3 hours for a normal .42 AR task with CUDA 3.0.

I have an E6400 C2D in my plethora of machines that runs MB & AP work right now if you want to get an idea of how it runs.
5169) Message boards : Number crunching : BOINC will not open (Message 1103010)
Posted 3 May 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I wonder what happened to my BOINC? It was running last night and this morning it refuses to open. The computer keeps asking me what program to open it. I have no idea. I was never asked that before. Any suggestions? It was running the lunatics optimized version, just fine.

Thanks.

Are you trying to start it via a shortcut? Sometimes those get broken. You could trying running boincmgr.exe from the folder where it lives on your PC.
5170) Message boards : Number crunching : Display of the units calculated by GPU. (Message 1102932)
Posted 3 May 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
If you mean the Task display list I have been wanting to see this implemented as well. It would probably be another row to select
Application: All | CPU | GPU - ATI/OpenCL | GPU - NVIDIA/CUDA


Hmm.. and if we use also a S@h v7 nVIDIA/OpenCL app here? ;-)

AFAIK, a nVIDIA OpenCL AP app will be maybe released in future.


Yes v7 will be here on day. This is why I stated this could be an additional row of filters. In Beta they added the filter for v7 tasks view. Right now they use "AppID" as a filter variable. It could be that all tasks are the same "AppID" for a given type. In that GPU & CPU tasks maybe are the same number. Further filtering could be more work than it is worth.
5171) Message boards : Number crunching : Display of the units calculated by GPU. (Message 1102795)
Posted 2 May 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
If you mean the Task display list I have been wanting to see this implemented as well. It would probably be another row to select
Application: All | CPU | GPU - ATI/OpenCL | GPU - NVIDIA/CUDA
5172) Message boards : Number crunching : Power Outages Workunits and Wingmen (Message 1102775)
Posted 2 May 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I know what you are going though. I grew up & lived in OK until 2003. When I had to good sense to get out of there! lol
During the '99 tornado outbreak we had there some towns vanished form the map completely.
5173) Message boards : Number crunching : Validator hiccup (Message 1102175)
Posted 30 Apr 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
This was discussed here a few times.

I understood it like this, first the science then the Cr.

If the client send well science, then no need for to banish.


- Best regards! - Sutaru Tsureku, team seti.international founder. - Optimize your PC for higher RAC. - SETI@home needs your help. -


I would agree on that.

I´m just wondering why such guys still run clients they dont get credits with.

I like to think it is because they really do it just for the science. Probably it is a machine sitting in a corner they have forgotten about.
5174) Message boards : Number crunching : Validator hiccup (Message 1102159)
Posted 30 Apr 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Alinator said...
It's been awhile since I've seen this come up, but the main reason is that 4x CC's are ancient, and don't support FLOP counting and newer scoring systems. They only use Benchmark/Time scoring.

Sutaru said...
AFAIK & IIRC, you need at least BOINC V5.2.6 for to get correct Cr./WUs.
There are still a few BOINC V4.x (I saw V3.x's in past also as wingmen) out there..

Wonder how difficult it would be (or if it's even worth the effort) to put a patch in New Credit so that if one client reports no flop count, ignore it, and grant credit based on the lowest reported (non-zero) flop count?

It might not be much effort, but I think it is still more effort than the 4.x results that come in. The last time this came up I think it was a small fraction of a percent of a percent were using 4.x
5175) Message boards : Number crunching : Validator hiccup (Message 1102084)
Posted 30 Apr 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

Have 3 units validated successful but got 0 credits for it.
My wingman shows 0 CPU time, 0 run time but reported results as you can see.
He is running Boinc 4.19 on linux.

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/workunit.php?wuid=727548714

Weird.


Everything is working exactly as it is suppose to. Your wingman is using BOINC 4.19.0 which will grant 0 credits.
5176) Message boards : Number crunching : Troubles with 2 hosts, after an UPdate from M.S. (Message 1102083)
Posted 30 Apr 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
No video driver updates, are not done by Windows, but some updates do have an negative impact on the performence of the drivers, or maybe whole system.

Gettin a little, half past 3, but don't have to be early ;)


FYI: You can click on Update History from within Windows Update & it will show your installed updates along with the date they were installed. If you sort by installed date then you can start uninstalling updates until you get correct operation again. Once you know the trouble maker you can install the other updates besides that one.
5177) Message boards : Number crunching : How to incorporate CUDA processing? (Message 1102081)
Posted 30 Apr 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

What's the magic piece of xml in what file that I'm missing, in order to limit cpus?

thx

Besides what Gundolf mentioned you might be overriding the global preferences. You can quickly change that be going to Advanced > Preferences & clicking the Clear button. If you are using custom settings for things like network time restrictions you would need to set those again.

The other option is to set the CPU usage limit for that machine using local overrides. Advanced > Preferences > Processor Usage tab. The only problem with that is you may forget you are using local settings and wonder why the changes on the web settings are not taking effect.
5178) Message boards : Number crunching : ap units? (Message 1101748)
Posted 29 Apr 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Now I got 2 tasks. :)

The problem is, I don't get tasks even if the server has few hundred tasks ready to send. It occurs most of the times. (for 4-6 days a week)

Now, the feeder has ~1000 results ready to send, my client asks for more tasks, but doesn't get more.

The feeder/scheduler only holds 100 tasks at a time. So when you request work you grab out of that pool If that pool is empty at the moment you ask then you get 0.
5179) Message boards : Number crunching : Two things to make SETI healty (Message 1101746)
Posted 29 Apr 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

...............
We're all here to do the job, including the slower crunchers. If I could afford the electricity, I'd power up every one of my capable crunchers and start contributing more CPU cycles.



Even I cannot afford money for electricity, that is not part of problem. But when I download 20WU , I made all of them and report it in the time.
Lets all of us , take and process all WU before deadline. That is all. Simple thing, right?.

Many times I look at my wingman and sow that his GPU produced a lot of error. I write to them, but no answer, and he still crunch them and produce garbage and not valid result. And for those people I say: they do not care about anything.

It could also be that the person knows there is an issue with their computer & maybe they are a bit busy working on it to take the time to respond to you.

I have one machine that sometimes generates errors for GPU work. I'm not sure why exactly & I have been looking into it. It generates more valid work than not. So I don't see a reason to stop it doing GPU work.
If I got a message from someone telling me it was generating errors I would probably just set them to ignore.

Errors can & will happen. The system is designed to account for them.

Shorter deadlines wouldn't help you get credit any faster. I think it might actually reduce the credit you could get. Only 5 errors are allowed per task. If 4 people didn't responds in time with their work to a task you completed I think you end up with 0 credit for the work, but I'm not sure on that exactly.
5180) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (46) Server problems (Message 1101737)
Posted 29 Apr 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Is anyone else experiencing d/l problems? Both of my machines have been attempting to d/l since 23:30 last night. The cricket graphs haven't been updated since 06:08 this morning.

The only issue I have seen in the past few days was between 3:49AM and 4:37AM this morning. Some downloads went into backoff several times during that window, but it cleared up afterwords.
5181) Message boards : Number crunching : ap units? (Message 1101733)
Posted 29 Apr 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hi guys,

Is it normal that I get only 6-7 AP wu-s per week for my ATI GPU?
I would need more :)

The message I get:

2011.04.29. 16:33:49 SETI@home Reporting 1 completed tasks, requesting new tasks for GPU
2011.04.29. 16:33:55 SETI@home Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks

:(

Maybe there were no AP tasks in the feeder when you asked?
5182) Message boards : Number crunching : ap units? (Message 1101671)
Posted 29 Apr 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Where were you getting the 0.37 Installer from, because the one at Lunatic's isn't zipped, or even 7z'd.

Win32 Lunatics' Unified Installer v0.37

Claggy

However the Lunatics .37 windows installer exe can be extracted with 7z. Personally I prefer this method with the plethora of machines I manage.
5183) Message boards : Number crunching : Ãœber promo on 512M GT 220 card at newegg (Message 1101442)
Posted 28 Apr 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Just a quick heads-up.

512M GT220 regular price is 60$.
Currently "instant" 20$ off and 32$ mail-in rebates.
5$ shipping.

Effective price is somewhere around 12$

I know this is a low-end card but it does CUDA and can run with 50 watts so I can drop this in my low-end boxes to replace the onboard non-CUDA stuff. Thought some of you might be interested.


http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814500129


woah this is a seriously good deal. I know that a little GT 220 is good for about 2000 RAC with opti apps. i have one.



Yes it is. I placed an order :D.
The mail-in rebate is restricted to USA and Canada only though :( .

And the current status shows "SOLD OUT". :/
5184) Message boards : Number crunching : ap units? (Message 1101161)
Posted 27 Apr 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
It is the computer 4464872.
appinfo.xml file doesn't have a usable version for Astropulse 505.

I know it is a silly question, but do you have the AP application installed on the computer generating this message? If so you might just have an entry in the app_info.xml out of whack. You should have an entry reading "<name>astropulse_v505</name>" and not "<name>astropulse_v5</name>" or such.

EDIT: Or just do what Claggy said.
5185) Message boards : Number crunching : CUDA WUs erroring out (Message 1101106)
Posted 27 Apr 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have been noticing these sort of errors since I switched to the CUDA 3.0 app.
CUFFT error in file 'd:/[Projects]/Berkeley/seti_cuda/seti_boinc/client/cuda/cudaAcc_fft.cu' in line 101.
I seem to get a batch of them one day. Then it picks back up normally again without me doing anything.
From host 5530010 these tasks 1872056083, 1872047215, 1871903124, 1871875358 are the most recent pains in my side.
5186) Message boards : Number crunching : Lunatics ATI MB 6.10 r177 Problem - CMD window poping (Message 1101020)
Posted 27 Apr 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
it certainly can. the app_info provided is the default

stop boinc then edit your app_info

To run 2 WU's adjust your "instance_per_device" to 2
and your <count>1</count> to 0.5


Can 2 tasks be run on a 5770?

I just tied it and the GPU temperature shot up a few degrees. Would the tasks run slower though?

I ran 2 at once on my 5750 & I got 2 tasks running twice as long. So not really any gain for me there. The 5770 has a few more processing cores so it might gain something with 2 at once. I'm not sure if there is a definitive thing that could be looked at to say "yes that GPU can run 2 at once effectively" or not. If there isn't it might be good if someone starts compiling a list.
5187) Message boards : Number crunching : SETI@home v7 Beta is coming (Message 1100833)
Posted 26 Apr 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
its shown up on S@H beta I guess thats close enough

It took about a year for mine to show up on here.
5188) Message boards : Number crunching : Cmd line to suspend (Message 1100487)
Posted 25 Apr 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
It's alright I've done it.

:D

On a local host you don't need the host or password command. Also you only need to specify the project if you want to suspend that one project. Otherwise all projects will be suspended. You can read the full set of instructions here for all stuff you can do from the command line.
5189) Message boards : Number crunching : stuck on high priority (Message 1100485)
Posted 25 Apr 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Interesting; I'll check your suggestions out some more later. But I did look at two hosts with the same 9999m setting. One (6.10.60) is HP and the other (6.10.58) is not. Both are downloading happily when needed.

The one in HP mode has just cleared its cache. So I watched and the first wu's downloaded (into an empty queue) began in HP mode. It merely looks like boinc got stuck in this mode (through reboots and restarts) and won't budge. So I still think boinc is buggy.

With 9999m that is only about 7 days. So as long as the new work was due more then 7 days out it probably should not have gone into HP mode. The logging flag <cpu_sched_debug>1</cpu_sched_debug> will let you see what is going on a bit.

Since you said earlier that the GUI isn't displayed correctly, in that you only see the work "every" in the network section. That would point to at least one corrupt file on your system.
5190) Message boards : Number crunching : Upload issues? (Message 1100483)
Posted 25 Apr 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Both of those load the SETI site for me, I don't use my ISP DNS servers though.


Yeah, that was part of my problem. If I tried to use the one to load the Seti web page it would just time out but I could get to the other stuff fine. If I took out the SSL part I could get there instantly. I wonder what is going on with that.


Both of them load fine for me, the front page, look above for the bolded. The people having issues are because they are using DNS servers that probably have out dated records. Judging by most of you guys reporting problems, you aren't pulling the correct IP address when you do a ping or tracert I would imagine the DNS you are using caches too long and has out dated information. They may have changed things campus side and your ISP simply hasn't polled the new information yet. Best way to find out is use a different DNS and see if the problems go away. That's why I started using more reliable DNSs a long long time ago. It will more than likely work itself out in 36-72 hours or less. Sometimes it takes awhile for these things to propagate.


You don't seem to understand. This has been going on for weeks. A server ip or name change would have propagated out long ago.

The use of the nslookup tool will quickly point out DNS issues for you.
c:\>nslookup
Default Server:  Knob01
Address:  192.168.1.20

> bruno.ssl.berkley.edu
Server:  Knob01
Address:  192.168.1.20

Non-authoritative answer:
Name:    bruno.ssl.berkeley.edu
Address:  128.32.18.138

> server 8.8.8.8
Default Server:  google-public-dns-a.google.com
Address:  8.8.8.8

> bruno.ssl.berkley.edu
Server:  google-public-dns-a.google.com
Address:  8.8.8.8

Non-authoritative answer:
Name:    bruno.ssl.berkeley.edu
Address:  128.32.18.138
> exit

In this example you can see that my internal lab DNS server and one of the public DNS servers that Google has are both giving the correct address response. If you enter the IP that comes up then you will resolve the host name assigned to that address.
> 128.32.18.138
Server:  google-public-dns-a.google.com
Address:  8.8.8.8

Name:    bruno.ssl.berkeley.edu
Address:  128.32.18.138
5191) Message boards : Number crunching : stuck on high priority (Message 1099964)
Posted 23 Apr 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Interesting, in the boinc preferences window and network usage tab, there is a line (second column second row) that merely says "every" afterwhich there is an entry window having a value of 0 days.

On the processor usage tab, there is a switch applications entry which I want set to a very high number so that once a wu is started boinc doesn't switch to another application, leaving the initiated wu to fester in the waiting to run queue.

But this parameter probably doesn't apply to the problem being described here (perpetual HP mode) because I have wu's for only one project available for running right now. That is, I have Einstein set at 0 resource sharing so that einstein will download only if seti goes belly up for about 10 days and I run out of wu's to process.

The application switch time does in fact have an effect on the scheduler. Here is an example. With my normal value of 8640m the scheduler is ok. With a really high value of 100000000m everything goes into HP mode & will stay there.
If you enable the debugging flags in this case you will see the scheduler thinks it can't finish in time and shifts into HP mode. Which is fine if you want everything to be done by due date.

That could be unrelated to your issue, but that is why I suggested setting it to a low value to see if that takes thing out of HP mode. Then you would have your answer if it did. If not then we would have to look elsewhere.
5192) Message boards : Number crunching : Upload issues? (Message 1099960)
Posted 23 Apr 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
My routers gets the DNS servers from my ISP, but I also have the addresses of my my previous ISPs & the ones we use at work listed. Here is a list of public DNS servers that you could use for alternates if you thing your ISP has wonky DNS issues.
5193) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (46) Server problems (Message 1099792)
Posted 22 Apr 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Panic is creeping in here. I have a terrible problem finding any problem with the project right now.

I may have to type format c: in a cmd window, to create a problem....

Hmmm... that would only wipe the one partition.
I like a nice
C:\diskpart
DISKPART> select dive 0
DISKPART> clean

If that is to much you could do a boinccmd --set_network_mode never 5184000.
Sixty days of no network comms would defiantly cause a tiny bit of worry for BOINC.
5194) Message boards : Number crunching : Upload issues? (Message 1099791)
Posted 22 Apr 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I've got no problems uploading when I tell it to upload. However it will not do it for awhile if I depend on it to do it by itself. Most of the time I will build up 150-200 work units before it will decide to upload them. I have no clue why. So you have issues when you manually tell it to do it?


Yes, even if I manually hit upload and retry a couple times it doesn't like to upload. Then after about 2 more hours I hit it again and they seem to go. My internet connection is on 24/7 and I tested it to make sure that isn't the issue.

Are you getting anything in the messages tab that could help point to the issue? I am guessing that you don't have any restrictions on when BOINC is allowed to connect?
5195) Message boards : Number crunching : radeon 5770. Please help me get it running (Message 1099788)
Posted 22 Apr 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Your card is crunching a AR 0.4 unit in ~2700 seconds.
That ~40 minutes.
So you can finninsh 30-35 units a day crunching 24/7.
Average of 100-120 credits per unit should give you 3500 - 4000 RAC.


How does that compare to a similar NVIDIA GPU? For example for gaming the 5770 is a bit faster than a GTS 450 and a bit slower than a 460.

What are the RAC for those?

For AP work the ATI cards blow the Nvidia ones away. As there is currently no AP app for the Nvidia cards.

For the MB work not so much. I think the the 450/460 cards run in the 10-15m range if not quicker.

In time things may even out or could even move in favor of ATI, but that is where we stand at the moment.
5196) Message boards : Number crunching : stuck on high priority (Message 1099771)
Posted 22 Apr 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
My cache setting are for continuous connect and 10 extra days. This works fine for me. However, the host I'm referring to below is still in HP mode, even though it has just two days worth of wu's remaining with an earliest due date of 5/26. So I think that boinc has a programmng problem and can't get out of HP mode by itself. I will leave things alone and hope to flush the cache and then start over. (I've prevented additional downloads so my cache is clearing)

The settings for "Switch between tasks every nn minutes" also plays a role into the scheduler function. I set mine for 6 days, 8640 minutes. So I see HP mode kick in when you might otherwise thing it shouldn't. If you are using a high value & think that might be what is causing HP mode try setting it to a lower value.
5197) Message boards : Cafe SETI : I quit (Message 1099558)
Posted 22 Apr 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
drinking beer yesterday, but i'm back today:D

I don't drink any more. I don't drink any less either. :)
5198) Message boards : Number crunching : My ISP is Growing Up (Message 1099511)
Posted 21 Apr 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
It might be in the documentation somewhere, but who reads that stuff anyway. :) BOINC is indifferent if your machine is running IPv4 or IPv6. So if you have your modem connect directly to your PC and get a routable address on it I think you would be safe there as well. I can't test that kind of setup, but I disabled IPv4 on a machine and and playing around to make sue BOINC still functioned.

I would expect BOINC just passes commands to the OS and lets it worry about the connection kind of stuff.
5199) Message boards : Number crunching : My ISP is Growing Up (Message 1099503)
Posted 21 Apr 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I would think there should be no problems.
I am making the assumption the IPV6 still supports all IPV4 addys, or that they still support IPV4 but are now IPV6 capable.
And the new IP addy for you is no problem. Mine changes all the time when I reboot my router.
The additional bandwidth should just mean smoother up and downloads.

IPv6 supports an alternate configuration so you can have address that look something like fe80::192.168.1.1 instead of fe80::c0a8:201, but I'm not sure to what end that is supported. I know that IPv6 isn't a problem for the most part. As ISP's start supporting IPv6 I don't expect they will drop IPv4 for sometime.
5200) Message boards : Number crunching : Safe crunching...... (Message 1099473)
Posted 21 Apr 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Something else to keep in mind.

"Neatness" can be your worst enemy when it comes to AC and extension cords. Too many people feel the need to wrap these up in a nice neat bundle ("S" wrap and a couple of wraps around the middle of the "S"). This is the worst thing you can do especially if you are drawing any kind of AC load. Just leave the cords laying on the floor or better yet, on a cable tray. Doing an "S" wrap essentially creates a back-EMF generator with the resulting losses generating heat in the cord.

This was advice I received from electricians at more than one trade show where the people doing equipment setup will often "S-Wrap" the AC cords and extension cables.


I like when people coil up their cords to make them tidy as well. A good example of this was my dad using one of those plastic extension cord holder things. Which is fine, except when you want to run a 3/4 HP electric motor in a table saw through 100 foot of coiled up extension cord.
5201) Message boards : Number crunching : Dilbert :) (Message 1099287)
Posted 20 Apr 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
A technician in the lab where I work printed this comic out today, and put it on my computer. Everyone knows about Piggy, and I get some friendly ribbing from time to time.

Steve

I think piggy ribs are called BBQ! ...ok that was bad. I'll go stand in the corner now.


Wait Steve's getting BBQ out of all this? Man, and here I was excited about the toaster.....

Well at least I make enough heat to cook it.....

Steve


If I was going to make one of those mega GPU crunchers. I would make it so the heat was dumped into a griddle so I could make pancakes.
5202) Message boards : Number crunching : Dilbert :) (Message 1099283)
Posted 20 Apr 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
A technician in the lab where I work printed this comic out today, and put it on my computer. Everyone knows about Piggy, and I get some friendly ribbing from time to time.

Steve

I think piggy ribs are called BBQ! ...ok that was bad. I'll go stand in the corner now.
5203) Message boards : Number crunching : Weekly outage shortened? (Message 1099187)
Posted 20 Apr 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Either nobody has taken the time to edit the message regarding weekly outages, or they wish to leave themselves the option of having a 3 day outage if necessary.

Since most of the major problems have passed, and most of the server shuffling is done, they have not have to resort to a 3 day for quite a while.

Not a big thing, although some would prefer the message more accurately reflect current operations, it should be a nice surprise if one is expecting a 3 day outage and it is only 1.

Back when they started the 3 day outage I had network activity disabled from Tuesday until Friday. For the past few months I have had network activity disabled for Tuesday 12:00-23:59(US eastern time btw), but with all the quick maintenance cycles we have been having I may change it to 1@:00-20:00.
5204) Message boards : Number crunching : Weekly outage shortened? (Message 1099173)
Posted 20 Apr 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I thought the outage was supposed to be 3 days long? I came back today to find all servers aside from one, operating at 'green' levels. Not that I am complaining...just surprised. What gives?

The servers are normally up after a few hours, but they may or may not take things down in the 3 day window for stuff.
5205) Message boards : Number crunching : Dilbert :) (Message 1099171)
Posted 20 Apr 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Excellent!
5206) Message boards : Number crunching : canceled deadline because of re-sent function (Message 1099012)
Posted 20 Apr 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Please stay on topic.
If you would like to talk about 'who have the fastest -9 overflow result', feel free and open a new thread.

EDIT of the title of this thread from:

.vlar WUs with ~ 7 mins deadline?

to:

canceled deadline because of re-sent function

- Best regards! - Sutaru Tsureku, team seti.international founder. - Optimize your PC for higher RAC. - SETI@home needs your help. -

This is the same item that was brought up in another thread at the end of March.

I think having resend enabled and a few ghost vlar tasks getting expired is better than not having resend enabled.
I did a test with a VLAR task that was sent to my ATI GPU. Workunit 727623280 and it looks like ATI GPUs doesn't get the VLAR GPU instant timeout applied to them.
4/19/2011 8:39:33 PM SETI@home Message from server: Resent lost task 19fe11af.18246.53611.7.10.166.vlar_0
5207) Message boards : Number crunching : radeon 5770. Please help me get it running (Message 1098929)
Posted 19 Apr 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
You can download them all from the lunatics download page.


Except that the ATI GPU AstroPulse is the older version at the "download page":
ATI GPU AstroPulse for OpenCL r456


Hmmm... Yes it is. I guess we will need to send them more coffee so they can work more than 23.5 hours a day. :)
5208) Message boards : Number crunching : tasks not in pending-credit-list (Message 1098923)
Posted 19 Apr 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Same problem here: In the "pending" list there are only 8 work units, however in the tasks lists -> pending there are more than 330(!) pending!

Same answer. It applies to everybody, they're not picking on you specially.

Richard,

I pointed that out because the last message is 3 weeks old and another user posted "they are back.". Well, mine are'nt back.

Nor are mine, or anyone else's, I expect. I've no idea what XP_Freak was talking about.

I think Joe's answer is definitive, and will remain so until a code-watcher spots something new.

I expect they are just seeing pre Match 8th ones like everyone else may still have.
5209) Message boards : Number crunching : radeon 5770. Please help me get it running (Message 1098920)
Posted 19 Apr 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Notice the above thread "Optimized Applications and Other Binaries - Read...
"


I read it but did not understand. So are there 2 apps I have to install? 1 for astropulse and 1 for the regular Seti jobs or did I misunderstand?

Also what about the command line options?


The two main threads about the applications. One for MB http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=62990 and one for AP http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=63517 have links to the lunatics site with release notes. Where there are examples of what needs to be entered into your app_info.xml.
You can download them all from the lunatics download page.
5210) Message boards : Number crunching : win 2003 server / boinc install (Message 1098538)
Posted 17 Apr 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
As with most things Lunatic......
Some study can be required.

This subject has been covered there and here on the Seti boards before.

The Lunatics installer gives you the choice.....you have to know what choice to make. As with most other questions Seti related, if you wonder, just ask here and folks will help at the drop of a hat.

Well I'm up 2 date now :) But I recall many times where people asked which version to use, answer was most often: Try CPU-Z to see what you CPU supports. So when the answer is 4.1 I assume people will most often use that.

My i7-860 at home is using the SSE 4.1 App & I have 5 I7-860's at work using the SSSE3x App. Running 8 tasks with dual channel I don't see any advantage of one application over the other.

A Core 2 Duo on the P45 chipset can have 17GB/s of memory bandwidth with DDR3. Where the i7-8xx has 21GB/s. I know that isn't the only factor in play. Something tells me the memory bandwidth probably gets saturated a lot faster when you ask 4 times the amount of work with only about 20% more bandwidth.
5211) Message boards : Number crunching : Am I really that fast? (Message 1098481)
Posted 17 Apr 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Going from 30k to 28k is less than 7%. With everything up and running normally I have seen RAC swings of more than 15% for me. First thing I do if I think a machine is acting a bit off is to look at the daily numbers for it from one of the stat sites.
Looking at your RAC graph from BoincStats may be helpful for you if you think something has changed on your end.
5212) Message boards : Number crunching : number crunching humor (Message 1098469)
Posted 17 Apr 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
a guy that works with my wife asked me
what would it take to make his Pentium III
a quad processor.

i said, "A magic wand."

I'm sure he could get one on ebay. I have a few quad Pii & Piii systems at work. I think the look on their face of having a computer the size of a dishwasher arrive on their door step would be a lot more amusing.
5213) Message boards : Number crunching : New ATI OpenCL-based AstroPulse (rev516) released (Message 1098132)
Posted 16 Apr 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Im a little noob in BOINC and config things with it ^^

But i cant get any work on my WorkPC for my 4350 Card with Cat11.3 with SDK(OpenCL). I checked my preferences to accept other applications but BOINC says that there is no GPU work for me. Hmm.

Celeron E3200 2*2,4Ghz
2GB RAM
WinXP SP3 32bit
HD4350 512MB
BOINC 6.10.58

In a thread i saw that i possibly change something to GPU_MAX_HEAP_SIZE=256
but where?
O.o

Thanks for any halps ^^

I think you saw that in the Lunatics release notes. Also in the release notes is the location of where to change the value.

With AP work you may not get tasks every time you request them.
5214) Message boards : Number crunching : Safe crunching...... (Message 1097565)
Posted 15 Apr 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I was already considering this for the new place I'm buying, but defiantly plan on it now. The 240v circuit for the dryer is not in use as a gas dryer is there. So I plan to have the circuit rerouted to the 2nd bedroom, or possibly the loft. Depending on which I make my computer/electronics dungeon.
5215) Message boards : Number crunching : hd 6970 seti (Message 1097563)
Posted 15 Apr 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
i take it that this bit ( <platform>windows_intelx86</platform> ) will not effect anything it just i have got a amd cpu not an intel

The intelx86 does not pertain to the CPU you are running. It is a platform designator.
For i386,x86, or 32-bit <platform>windows_intelx86</platform>
For AMD64,x64, or 64-bit <platform>windows_x86_64</platform>
5216) Message boards : Number crunching : Radeon 6900's (Message 1097560)
Posted 15 Apr 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Ok. I have just been crunching along for a couple of years now running 0 outside applications. Above and beyond the ATi app to boost performance, would installing other aftermarket apps be adventageous for me. For the last couple of hours I have been reading about proper instilation of all the applications for my new 6970. I saw alot of stuff for AMD/64 apps. Will that optimize and speed up the rest of my apps, or should I just stick to the Radeon app for now?

The Opt Apps tend to sort through tasks a bit quicker as each separate one is designed for the specific capabilities of your CPU. They also contain code fixes that may not yet be in the stock apps.
5217) Message boards : Number crunching : Radeon 6900's (Message 1097456)
Posted 15 Apr 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

You might be interested in this thread.

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=62990



Also the thread on the Astropulse application.
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=63517

Also a link to the lunatics Opt APP download section.
http://lunatics.kwsn.net/index.php?module=Downloads

General rule of thumb when switching to Opt Apps. Let your cache run dry, close BOINC, install opt apps, restart BOINC, & allow new tasks.

There are several threads on help with Opt App use/install. If you are not comfortable doing any of that you can certainly wait until the current Opt App code gets turned into a stock application.
5218) Message boards : Number crunching : Radeon 6900's (Message 1097329)
Posted 15 Apr 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Does anyone know if it will eventually support my Radeon 6970?


4/14/2011 4:25:17 AM||Processor: 6 AuthenticAMD AMD Phenom(tm) II X6 1100T Processor [Family 16 Model 10 Stepping 0]
4/14/2011 4:25:17 AM||Processor: 512.00 KB cache
4/14/2011 4:25:17 AM||Processor features: fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush mmx fxsr sse sse2 htt pni cx16 syscall nx lm svm sse4a osvw ibs skinit wdt page1gb rdtscp 3dnowext 3dnow
4/14/2011 4:25:17 AM||OS: Microsoft Windows 7: Home Premium x64 Edition, Service Pack 1, (06.01.7601.00)
4/14/2011 4:25:17 AM||Memory: 8.00 GB physical, 15.99 GB virtual
4/14/2011 4:25:17 AM||Disk: 931.41 GB total, 873.37 GB free
4/14/2011 4:25:17 AM||Local time is UTC -4 hours
4/14/2011 4:25:17 AM||ATI GPU 0: ATI unknown (CAL version 1.4.1332, 2048MB, 3379 GFLOPS peak)
4/14/2011 4:25:17 AM|SETI@home|URL http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/; Computer ID 5890214; resource share 100

6.12 will display the HD6900 cards name correctly. It does not effect you being able to use the ATI MB & AP applications.

Also it looks like you have the 11.3 drivers. I forget but there might have been an issue with those and the apps. Be sure to read over the threads about the apps if no one comments otherwise..
5219) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (46) Server problems (Message 1097170)
Posted 14 Apr 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Obviously not too bad. From S@H home page:

Storage Server Issues
The server that stores our workunits crashed last night, but is recovering now. We hope to be fully back on line in a couple hours. 14 Apr 2011 | 16:51:19 UTC


Ooohh...
I like that flavor of grapes much better!

Looks like we are back online. Normal catch-up dropped connections seem to be in play.
Also the BOINC Stats images are fixed.
5220) Message boards : Number crunching : BOINCstats sig issue? (Message 1097126)
Posted 14 Apr 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hmmmmmmm....
Is Willy playing with the kitties' sig again?

Don't worry it isn't just you. Maybe they are loading up the new server boxen or something. (:
5221) Message boards : Number crunching : GTX260/285 airflow (Message 1097125)
Posted 14 Apr 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I suspect most GPU card 'fans' are OEM specials, made to order, and little if any data will be found on them. In most cases these are not adaptations of stock fan manufacturer's designs.

The parts might exist in their OEM catalog. We have some parts that we sell only to OEMs. So the part number that exists for them is an internal one that no one else has access to see.
5222) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (46) Server problems (Message 1097084)
Posted 14 Apr 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Yeah, I've got four APs that haven't started at all. Logs show HTTP errors starting at 0736UTC. Guess I'll suspend network comms. until it is fixed.

As upload/reporting is still working, for now :), you could set NNT to stop the inflow of work if it is going to be a few days to fix.
5223) Message boards : Number crunching : Different numbers (Message 1097082)
Posted 14 Apr 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
last page? of 1240 results. thats a bit of traveling isn't it.

@jravin The offset number goes up by 20 every page you look at starting with 40,60,80 etc. all you need to do is look at the last numbers in your address bar as you browse your WU's


Thanks - didn't realize that was what was meant. Now it makes sense to me. but still a royal pain scrolling through LOTS of pages to get there...

I still maintain that the DB could maintain counts of tasks in all states much more easily and cheaply, and we could then avoid all this scrolling to find out what we want to know - the counts. After all, wouldn't a separate table of counts for each user and machine be MUCH smaller than the ones listing/linking the WUs?

Remember the server side is BOINC as well. The BOINC devs might be more focused on working on the client side of things right now. The Seti@Home servers might be able to handle that kind of workload without missing a beat, but other projects might come to a halt with lesser hardware.

To update this other table of counts you are thinking about & be accurate. A query would need to run after each instance of reporting, requesting/downloading, tasks being timed out, or validating. So in one normal report/request session the same query would be run a few times for a number you may or may not be interested in looking at.

It would probably make more sense to run that sort of query on a schedule instead. With about 1.1 million users if the query averaged 0.005 seconds per user that would mean about 90 min to update everyone. It would also slow disk access time for the rest of the jobs that need to be done.
5224) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (46) Server problems (Message 1097072)
Posted 14 Apr 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
One of my machines at home was mid downloading some tasks when everything went splat about 3:30 UTC. Then it looks like it cleared up about 5:00 UTC as the tasks finished downloading and a few more were requested and downloaded. Then again around 7:00 UTC tasks are no go for d/l.
5225) Message boards : Number crunching : that odd burning smell (Message 1097061)
Posted 14 Apr 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
it was just a short experiment
the ps still works with just one 260 in it.

gonna buy a 750 watt ps today and double up then.
its pretty noisey in here now.
got two new vantec tornado fans at full blast
not to mention the thermaltake HO at full blast.

i don't want to look at the power meter.

If the PSU smokes you just have to put all of the smoke back in to make it work again. :)
I have been running my i7-860 & ATI 5750 for about a year and a half on a 425w PSU without any problems. With the new heat sink I got for the CPU I found I can only overclock the CPU to about 3.3GHz. Beyond that the PSU gets all uppity and starts running its cooling fan higher than 500 RPM to the max speed of about 1500. Which sounds like a jet trying to take off. That isn't really conducive to HTPC duties it preforms.
5226) Message boards : Number crunching : win 2003 server / boinc install (Message 1096806)
Posted 13 Apr 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I need a quick fix, and should know how but don't: I'm installing boinc on a win 2003 server using administrative credentials. boinc installer fails at create 'boinc_master' account step. what do I need to do to get over this step? thx.

I just copy the application folder to the machine I want to run BOINC and then run it. So D:\BOINC\ is my application & data folder on the machine. If you want to change the data folder you would have to add the reg key
HKLM\SOFTWARE\Space Sciences Laboratory, U.C. Berkeley\BOINC Setup
"DATADIR"="D:\\BOINCDATA\\"
I run it user mode instead of a service, but with sc you should be able to create a user defined service to run it. Something like sc create BOINCService binPath= "D:\BOINC\boinc.exe" maybe.

EDIT: When using sc make sure to use a space after binPath= I always forget to do that the first 5 or 10 times.
5227) Message boards : Number crunching : Different numbers (Message 1096799)
Posted 13 Apr 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I would like a first page of just WU counts, so I won't have to go through the lists task-by-task (a bummer, as many of you know). After an Update, I just want to make sure that all the tasks I report get onto SOME list, since we no longer have Pending Credit changes to add to the account credit total changes for that warm-and-fuzzy feeling that nothing got lost...

Since you just want a count. A much simpler way would just be to just go to the last page of your pending or valid tasks and look at the offset number. If your offset count is 1240 & you have 6 on the last page then you are looking at 1246.

To have a count of tasks waiting for you whenever you open a page that number would have to be check at a given interval. I imagine they don't do this as it is probably an expensive query to run. It's not just CPU time but ties up disk access time as well. I am sure the option of slow down all science db access to generate a number you may or may not look at was considered at one point.

Generating the numbers on demand when you select something means you would have to wait for the query to finish in a similar way the pending credit list work(s/ed). The BOINC Devs would probably be the one to implement this server side feature. Apparently the pending credit query has an issue that the mega crunchers found where it wouldn't show everything. Could have been a server side time constraint on how long the query was allowed to run.
5228) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (46) Server problems (Message 1096791)
Posted 13 Apr 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Problems with the replica database, ATM its 15,047 seconds behind the master.



That is rather normal while the replica catches up after maintenance. Six hours later and it is down to about 2500 seconds.
Sometimes you might even observe the time go up for a few hours after everything comes back online. IIRC the replica recovers in about 12-24 hours after everything is brought back up.
5229) Message boards : Number crunching : CLOSED- SETI/BOINC Milestones [ v2.0 ] - XXII -CLOSED (Message 1096107)
Posted 11 Apr 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
20,000,000 big ones, and I am sure a few zeros in there as well.
5230) Message boards : Number crunching : Reduce heat by replacing Q6600? (Message 1096102)
Posted 11 Apr 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I ebayed an inspiron 9400 with a geforce go 7900 gs to be my low heat machine. It won't do CUDA (but it will game decently), so I doubt I'll crunch with it, though cleaning it will be no problem since I was a Dell tech 5 years ago.

I'm leaning towards keeping the Q6600 as is and selling the bigger machine. My only gripe with the Q6600 is that the X-QPack2 doesn't allow for video cards with top facing power connectors. I ran some calculators and discovered that if I put the GTX275 into the X2 4400+ machine I'll need $200 worth of stronger power supply. I really don't need all the extra features or power that system has, so it will likely wind up on craigslist.

Thanks again!

My Enermax 525w supply was only about $100.
5231) Message boards : Number crunching : Please Tell Me BOINC Isn't Stupid (Message 1095898)
Posted 11 Apr 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
When speaking, most here would not say 'the 11th of April, 2011.
We would usually say 'April 11th, 2011'.

I always thought America was Born On The 4th Of July - when did you change?

That M/d/y format makes it very difficult to sort lists of dates into order - though I prefer yyyy/mm/dd for that. Any more offers?

I'm sticking with the Mayan calendar. So today is 12.19.18.4.19.

If I want people to know what I'm talking about I prefer the ISO 8601 date/time format YYYY-MM-DD hh:mm:ss.
5232) Message boards : Number crunching : Editing profile with IE 9 (Message 1095698)
Posted 10 Apr 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I tried enabling and disabling the Tracking Protection several times, and still have the same results. I guess I'll have to wait until tomorrow.

Steve

I tried a few more times on my notebook & still no go with IE9. Going to http://www.captcha.net and doing several test everything worked without any problems. So it doesn't seem to be a problem with captcha's in general. Something in the code for our submit button probably just needs tweaked.
5233) Message boards : Number crunching : Are we ATI Guys being got at? (Message 1095646)
Posted 10 Apr 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Would make sense.

New version is called APP instead of SDK

AMD parallel processing

SDK normally stands for Software Development Kit.
5234) Message boards : Number crunching : Editing profile with IE 9 (Message 1095643)
Posted 10 Apr 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
This is getting frustrating. Here are three tries that failed.


I noticed this one looks like serefern to me, but the other two look the same.




Steve


I'm loading IE9 on my notebook and will give it a go there.
Another tool to check your browser version. http://www.fiddlertool.com/ua.aspx

EDIT: With IE9 I get letters I can't type sometimes & when everything does look OK I got the same error as you. Firefox 3.6 and IE8 work just fine.
5235) Message boards : Number crunching : Reduce heat by replacing Q6600? (Message 1095548)
Posted 10 Apr 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thanks everyone,

The system itself is shedding heat just fine and I'm not experiencing any stability issues. My cpu cooler is a zerotherm cf900, and with boinc paused I'm reading 43C processor margin, 41C motherboard, 70C IO hub, and 59C memory hub (intel desktop utilities). Those temps will drop quite a bit when I get around to vacuuming the dust filters.

What I'm trying to do is set it up so that my room doesn't get so warm from that heat. I figure I can either modify this system, buy an atom D525 or similar, or buy a used laptop. I thought my best option was the 2100t, but now I'm thinking a laptop might get me the muscle/features/heat ratio I want.

It very well could. I spent about $600 on my i3-390 notebook and in a lot of ways it could replace my main desktop, E8400. With the Sandy Bridge, & later this year Ivy Bridge, CPUs the performance would be even better.
With computers the two main questions I always come up with first are. 1) What do you want to do with it? 2) How much do you want to spend?
The more modern approach to the 2nd question factors in the running cost as well as up front cost. Since you are in that frame of mind I don't think you will go wrong.
5236) Message boards : Number crunching : Reduce heat by replacing Q6600? (Message 1095296)
Posted 9 Apr 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The first con of going to an i3 I can think of is that you would be going from 4 cores to 2. The i3 does use HT so you still get 4 threads. So that might not be a con. My i3-390 notebook does fair job in comparison to my E8400 desktop.

The temp that things run is more of function of the cooling system rather than actual power consumption. Both matter. However, If you have something expending 25w of heat without it being able to dissipate the heat. Then it could be warmer than something pumping out 50w of heat dissipating it efficiently.

I'd highly suggest an aftermarket cooler for the CPU no matter what you buy to keep the temps down without cranking up the A/C. I got one of those massive 120mm fan jobs for my i7 HTPC and now a very firm believer in them. As the cores now run 45ºC cooler overclocked than they were at stock speed.

High flow low rpm fans should also help keep things closer to ambient with less noise as well.
5237) Message boards : Number crunching : Strange BSoD message (Message 1095290)
Posted 9 Apr 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
This thread slightly deviated from original problem to CPU temp measuring problem, but all this posted info VERY interesting and helful, big thanks to all who participate!

Yes, I think we got off track on trying to find out if it was maybe thermal issue.

Any improvement or can you still make BSOD happen?

In thinking maybe a memory issue, which I had once. Have you tried running with only 1 stick in at a time and trying to cause BSOD?
5238) Message boards : Number crunching : Cost effectiveness? (Message 1095071)
Posted 9 Apr 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I assumed cost effective meant cheaply built. Slapping several GPU's on your computer will cost you on the back end. Your electric bill will go up.


well, yeah, but the GT 240 uses less wattage than the 2 CPUs it equals processing-wise, so that DOES save energy vs. running another CPU or 2 on another motherboard.

In other words, 1 MB + 2x2356 + 4 GT 240s uses less power than the 5 MB + 10 x 2356 it does the same work as - so more "efficient", yes?


Yeah, that is the kind of efficiency I'm talking about. Not necessarily spending as little as possible, but rather getting the most out of whatever I spend.

It is all, of course, hypothetical at this point. But I figure it's good to plan ahead.

In all these cases, I'm assuming a 3 year life--and thus three years of electricity use. At $0.10 per kWh, over three years that's about $2.56 per watt, or $256 for a 100 watt set-up.

So I guess I can look at the power usage of various set-ups, plus the up-front price. Have something like:

Efficiency = FLOPS / (Cost to buy + energy bill)


Depending on your time frame new parts will come out and change what part is the best performance per watt. The "best bang for the buck" and "best PPW" questions come up every few months.

Tom's Hardware did an efficiency comparison back in Jan which might be of interest to you. Also a run with medium to high end graphics cards.
Based on the power usage, performance, & cost of the 965, 1100T, and 2500K. I'd pick the 2500K for a CPU. The prices of the CPUs I just looked on Newegg quickly and found 965=~$160, 1100T and 2500K=~#230. I'm sure with more searching better prices could be found, but they probably scale about the same.

If you add a GPU for processing as well I think your 100w system power might want to be more like 150-250. Depending on which card you choose to go with.
5239) Message boards : Number crunching : Strange BSoD message (Message 1095028)
Posted 9 Apr 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

Processor: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3500+
Processor: Family: Fh, Model: 5F, Stepping: 2
Processor: Revision: DH-F2, Revision: F
Processor: Socket: AM2, Type: Athlon(tm) 64
Processor: Max Die (Tjunction) Temperature: 70.0 °C
The real Max Die (Tjunction) temperature is not this value
This value is for calculating the temperature ONLY
Max Die (Tjunction) is normally about Max Case + 5C
Processor: Max Case Temperature: 70.0 °C, Max Power: 0.0 W


I think maybe Max Case +5ºC might be to low. For example an AMD Athlon X2 64 5400+. CPU case seems to be 55º-59ºC with core temps about 20ºC higher.
5240) Message boards : Number crunching : Are we ATI Guys being got at? (Message 1095015)
Posted 9 Apr 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
isn't this a bit like Ford versus Chevy?

I only drive VW's... & use ATI cards.

I had an NVIDIA TNT 2 Ultra many moons ago, but got a Radeon when they first came out. Back when they were just called ATI Radeons without any numbers. I stuck with them until AMD bought ATI. Then tried a BFG 8800 GT. Nothing but troubles. So despite my dislike of AMD went back to ATI. I refuse to call the graphics cards AMD. Cause I'm stubborn & I don't have to! (:

Everyone has the things they like and I liken it to the saying "It's better to go with the devil you know". I don't think anyone is wrong for standing on their soap box and saying "Well yours is good, but mine is better".
5241) Message boards : Number crunching : Are we ATI Guys being got at? (Message 1094857)
Posted 8 Apr 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
DNETC down and gone, Milkyway down and gone, who is next?

I think it's all a dastardly plot by those Nvidia people ...... ;-))

Collatz I'd guess since ATI cards rule the GPU side of things there.
5242) Message boards : Number crunching : help: New Quad core PC with GTX460 (Message 1094822)
Posted 8 Apr 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

I believe you should be using "AK_v8b_win_SSE3_AMD.exe". As the 64-bit lunatics installer indicates "SSE3_AMD (x86, faster on sse3 amd)".


Do you mean I would be better off running the x86 app instead of the x64 app on my x64 Win7 system?


That is what the Lunatics guys put in the .37 installer GUI. Since they developed the software I would guess they know what they are doing.
5243) Message boards : Number crunching : Measured floating point speed question (Message 1094381)
Posted 7 Apr 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The numbers don't mean much when comparing C2 with i7. The i7 is much faster, as Steve eluded too, due to the memory controller and various other architectural changes to it.

Looking at the same architecture, I have an e8400 and a q9650, exactly the same except the quad has double the cache and double the cores, speeds etc. etc. are the same. The C2D has higher numbers than the quad does, however the quad produces much more finished work because those numbers are per core.

One thing I've wondered, anyone with a i7 can probably answer this, how much are
those numbers effected with HT on and off?


Here are some benchmark results comparing an i7.

Processor: 4 GenuineIntel Intel(R) Core(TM) i7 CPU 860 @ 2.80GHz

6.10.58 x64 HT OFF
07-Apr-2011 10:31:29 [---] Benchmark results:
07-Apr-2011 10:31:29 [---] Number of CPUs: 4
07-Apr-2011 10:31:29 [---] 2857 floating point MIPS (Whetstone) per CPU
07-Apr-2011 10:31:29 [---] 8949 integer MIPS (Dhrystone) per CPU

6.10.58 x86 HT OFF
07-Apr-2011 10:30:35 [---] Benchmark results:
07-Apr-2011 10:30:35 [---] Number of CPUs: 4
07-Apr-2011 10:30:35 [---] 2994 floating point MIPS (Whetstone) per CPU
07-Apr-2011 10:30:35 [---] 6443 integer MIPS (Dhrystone) per CPU

6.10.58 x64 HT ON
07-Apr-2011 10:21:59 [---] Benchmark results:
07-Apr-2011 10:21:59 [---] Number of CPUs: 8
07-Apr-2011 10:21:59 [---] 2559 floating point MIPS (Whetstone) per CPU
07-Apr-2011 10:21:59 [---] 8963 integer MIPS (Dhrystone) per CPU

6.10.58 x86 HT ON
07-Apr-2011 10:23:41 [---] Benchmark results:
07-Apr-2011 10:23:41 [---] Number of CPUs: 8
07-Apr-2011 10:23:41 [---] 2659 floating point MIPS (Whetstone) per CPU
07-Apr-2011 10:23:41 [---] 6454 integer MIPS (Dhrystone) per CPU
5244) Message boards : Number crunching : Strange BSoD message (Message 1094351)
Posted 7 Apr 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
BTW, what temps are typical for Core2 E6420? I see ~65C and run TThrottle to not go too higher... BOINC only on 50% CPU...

Is that CPU temp or CPU core temp? As Mike stated CPU temp limit should be 60.1ºC. If I remember correctly core temps are allowed up to 90ºC, but should probably double check that.

It's temp that TThrottle shows....

I am not sure what TThrottle is displaying. It says core temp but that does not seem to be the same as other software displays. Thermal software comparison.
5245) Message boards : Number crunching : Strange BSoD message (Message 1094320)
Posted 7 Apr 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
BTW, what temps are typical for Core2 E6420? I see ~65C and run TThrottle to not go too higher... BOINC only on 50% CPU...

Is that CPU temp or CPU core temp? As Mike stated CPU temp limit should be 60.1ºC. If I remember correctly core temps are allowed up to 90ºC, but should probably double check that.
5246) Message boards : Number crunching : Measured floating point speed question (Message 1094303)
Posted 7 Apr 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I forgot about this before, but the x86 version of BOINC generates a slightly higher Whetstone benchmark than does the x64 version. For the Dhrystone benchmark it is the other way around. As an example here are the benchmarks for both apps in windows 7 x64 on the same machine. A Core i7 860.

BOINC 6.10.58 x64
07-Apr-2011 10:21:59 [---] 2559 floating point MIPS (Whetstone) per CPU
07-Apr-2011 10:21:59 [---] 8963 integer MIPS (Dhrystone) per CPU

BOINC 6.10.58 x86
07-Apr-2011 10:23:41 [---] 2659 floating point MIPS (Whetstone) per CPU
07-Apr-2011 10:23:41 [---] 6454 integer MIPS (Dhrystone) per CPU
5247) Message boards : Number crunching : Measured floating point speed question (Message 1094283)
Posted 7 Apr 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The benchmark is for an single "core". So even if the Core 2 is higher you only have 2 core there & the Core i7 has 4, or 8 depending on your HT setting, to do work.

Since the Core 2 and Core i CPUs work a bit differently it is hard to compre them directly. I think in some ways the Core i CPUs are not actually an improvement. Much like the P4's were not much, if any, improvement over the P3's.

Also remember the benchmark is done by BOINC & has nothing to do with Seti@Home directly. It is just a way to try and guesstimate how much work it needs to download.
5248) Message boards : Number crunching : help: New Quad core PC with GTX460 (Message 1094281)
Posted 7 Apr 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

Did you manually derive & enter the FLOPS value in to the app_info file?
If not, that's probably why your cache won't fill up due to the Result Duration Correction Factor going all over the place.

Even with that value set, when i've 4 days of CPU work it's about 3.75 days of GPU work.


Sorry, I do not understand anything about FLOPS etc. Could you explain more please about FLOPS.

Also, how do I know that the GTX460 isbeing maxed out or not as the cuda app is running but the GPU temp is constant at 68Deg C which suggests that it's not working to capacity. It this right?


Thanks.

Ps
I have now got the CPU's to crunch, I changed the app_info.xml file to make sure the CPU were poiniting to the corrct application AK_v8b_win_x64_SSE3 as for some reason they were pointing to a different application that did not exist.


I believe you should be using "AK_v8b_win_SSE3_AMD.exe". As the 64-bit lunatics installer indicates "SSE3_AMD (x86, faster on sse3 amd)".
5249) Message boards : Technical News : QXP-13 Space Modulator (Apr 05 2011) (Message 1094106)
Posted 6 Apr 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Honestly I'm not exactly sure what the remaining red tape is, but historically UC was paying not by the pipe, but by the bit, which is why they forced us to buy our own connection in the first place (when our solitary upload/download server was accounting for 33% of the entire campus internet traffic).

- Matt

I would be amazed if that is still the case....
I wouldn't think in this day and age a Gbit link would come with a cap or be paid for 'by the bit'.

Our 45Gb pipe at work has a fixed monthly amount then we pay by the Gb we go over. Our 10Gb link to our home office in Japan we pay by the Mb. It is done that was as those are the most cost effective solutions for us.
5250) Message boards : Number crunching : Oh oh BOINC replica database running again (Message 1094065)
Posted 6 Apr 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Finally the BOINC replica database, seems up and running again. Progress, progress...

It's OK I'm scared too. Things seem to be operating correctly....
5251) Message boards : Number crunching : Can't report or get new tasks (Message 1093400)
Posted 4 Apr 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I'm not sure what you mean by cleaning the BOINC data directory.
I just renamed the BOINC directory, .....


You may try to rename again to see can you report the ~170 finished tasks you have.

Exit BOINC
Rename the current BOINC data directory (where you see cc_config.xml, client_state.xml) to e.g. BOINC_New
Rename the Old BOINC data directory to BOINC

Start BOINC
Select (in Projects tab) SETI@home
Press [No new tasks]
Press [Update]


(to return to the "current" (new) BOINC - Exit BOINC and rename again)

We will be interested to see the results.


Looks like they are all flagged as "Abandoned". So I think the only use in the data right now would be to dissect it to see what might have been going funky.
5252) Message boards : Number crunching : Id be more willing to crunch Seti@ home if the credits were increased (Message 1093399)
Posted 4 Apr 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:


But lately, after so long running 365/24/7 it is beccoming unstable. Shuts itself off several times per day. Most recently, it ran an Astropulse v5.05 unit for 3 days and that unit was dismissed for an error while computing. Quite frustrating.

Have you taken the cover off of the old beast to clean out any dust bunnies or check to see if any cooling fans have failed?


===========================================
Thanks for the reply.

Yeah, about once a month I undress it and remove the small amount of cat fur (Zelda sheds a lot) the cover. All 3 fans are running.

I invite any suggestions about how to revive/resuscitate this machine so we can continue to participate in S@H. But unless it can be done at minimal cost, rehab may make less sense than getting a new one.

Stevo


Ideas off the top of my head:
    -The heat sink goop has dried out & isn't properly conducting heat away from the CPU anymore.
    -The power supply is on its way out.
    -Disk, memory, or board failure underway.


Depending on what "minimal cost" means a nettop might be reasonable. Its reduced power consumption might also make it justifiable. You can find decent ones for $200-300 or possibly less.

5253) Message boards : Number crunching : Can't report or get new tasks (Message 1093370)
Posted 4 Apr 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I'll keep the old directory in case someone would like to check what could cause this. If this is of no interest, I'll delete it.


You could try placing the data on another machine, or a vm, to see if it can upload/report. That should point to if something in the data is messed up not allowing it to work or if it is/was something else.
5254) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (46) Server problems (Message 1093312)
Posted 4 Apr 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I do enjoy still using a pre-GPU build of BOINC. Max back-off is 3:59:59.. or so I've observed. Unless the scheduler specifically responds with a different back-off. A couple weeks ago with that extended downtime for..something, I hadn't turned network communications off yet, and saw "scheduler request pending, waiting 18:xx:xx". So it can still happen for scheduler contacts, but not for failed transfers..those max out at 4 hours.

I like in the version I'm running, 6.10.48, where I'll see tasks downloading & then (project back-off 00:30:00) shows up next to them while still downloading. Once one of the downloading tasks finishes the back-off goes away. It just amuses me to see it do that. I would use .58, but I have problems connecting to remote machines with the manager on my work network.
5255) Message boards : Number crunching : 8 GPUs (Message 1092761)
Posted 2 Apr 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Well if that isn't enough for you. Then you might want an 18 x16 slot board.
5256) Message boards : Number crunching : Id be more willing to crunch Seti@ home if the credits were increased (Message 1092631)
Posted 2 Apr 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Wait wait wait.....we can get a toaster with our credits? Can I pick something different? I could really use a new dish washer how many credits for something like that?

Yes, but the toaster isn't included. NEZ was only 1% of the way towards the toaster. Maybe you could collect enough toasters to trade them in for a new dishwasher?

I crunch to crunch, sometimes I take computers off the 'production line' so to speak because I have other things going on that I find personally more important. I use my RAC and total credits as nothing more than a personal milestone record and statistics on how my rigs run. Do I compare from time to time with other peoples? Sure, is it a competition? Not really just against myself! If I crunched for credits and competition I would find something better to do with my time and money, something that returns investment into my machines, never understood the need to have an ego over your credits!

Whatever floats yer boat.
I am in it for the science, but the creds do add to the fun!

As the kitties say....
"Seti be our binness."

As the Pharaohs Seti I or Seti II would say "You guys stole my name"

I'd say "crunching" is a hobby. For me seeing the credits of various systems shows sort of a real world efficiency. It is also fun to see what a bunch of small inexpensive resources can do. In the SETI classic days I had scores of 400MHz Celeron systems doing my bidding. Which produced more work then a few people that had high end Xeon servers going. Currently one of the top 20 participants instead of having a few machines with GPUs does it old school with something like 120 systems.
5257) Message boards : Number crunching : Can't report or get new tasks (Message 1092626)
Posted 2 Apr 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Try ipconfig /flushdns in command line.

Is that possible on Linux?

I'd be tempted to upgrade that host to Boinc 6.10.58

Claggy

In searching the google. The equivalent syntax for:
Linux: nscd restart
MAC OS X: lookupd -flushcache or dscacheutil -flushcache
5258) Message boards : Number crunching : ATI SETI Problem (Message 1092602)
Posted 2 Apr 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
All the tasks I ran on my 5750 were .37's & ran in 40-45 min. I didn't take the time to test any AP tasks, but the ATI cards can do a job on those it would seem.
5259) Message boards : Number crunching : AMD E-350 vs. ION (Message 1092596)
Posted 2 Apr 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Sounds like win win all around! Was it an Atom/ION based system it replaced? The only reviews I have seen to far are people comparing video abilities between the two. The HD6310 is definitely better than the ION or Intel graphics. With the new Atoms coming out later this year it should be fun to see the two head to head.
5260) Message boards : Number crunching : Can't report or get new tasks (Message 1092593)
Posted 2 Apr 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
In the log from one machine I see downloads going into back off between 00:00 UTC until about an hour ago. all of my home machine uploaded & reported work fine though. We are running on only 1 download server right now. So that may be the cause of things.
5261) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (46) Server problems (Message 1092433)
Posted 2 Apr 2011 by Profile HAL9000
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I reported 1 WU just a few minutes ago. The Scheduler was up and running, the only things that were not online were the Back-up database on jocelyn and Download server #2 on vader (and some of the ntpckrs on synergy).

I've been in and out all day, and did notice that some functions were taken down for a time, but almost all are up now. Not worried.

I haven't been worried. Looks like they have brought up and taken vader down as download a few times since this evening. I haven't really seen any issues since I got home from work 6 hours ago.
5262) Message boards : Number crunching : Need motherboard with ISA bus. (Message 1092430)
Posted 2 Apr 2011 by Profile HAL9000
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In a quick search I found this place that has socket 478 board with ISA slots. ISA boards are still used in a lot of telephony stuff. Another options would be a passive back plane system where you put in a SBC(single board computer) with the computing grunt you needed. I didn't do a lot of looking but it looks like the P4 might be the newest you will be able to go to still have ISA.
5263) Message boards : Number crunching : ATI SETI Problem (Message 1092359)
Posted 2 Apr 2011 by Profile HAL9000
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Well, I got curious and manufactured 3 dummy plugs and put them on the three cards that weren't being detected by BOINC. And when I booted, I looked at the Displays in Display Resolution (or whatever it is called), and saw 4 pretty screen icons instead of 1, as before. And when I clicked "Detect", I also saw 4 more icons for "undetected monitors" (or some such), making 2 for each card (which is what they support).

So it definitely IS a driver problem; (these were the latest Cat 11.3). Perhaps ATI, like NVIDIA, will soon figure this out and correct their drivers.

---------------------

Slightly OT, I notice that these cards and/or the MB app are significantly slower then my GT240s - they do a WU in 1.5-2 hours, whereas the GTs do one in 25-40 minutes. Just letting you know, I didn't really have any expectations. (They DO run cooler than the GT 240s, on lower fan speeds, according to MSI Afterburner). Also, the app uses 80-90% of the GPU cycles, so I can't run 2 at a time and get any more RAC that way, even though the cards are 1GB.

But I wanted to try, just to see if it worked - and it does.

I think maybe just the 58xx cards or higher would have an advantage running 2 per card. I tried running 2 on my 5750. It just took twice as long to complete 2. So the same amount of work/time.
5264) Message boards : Number crunching : Strange behavior Report Deadlines vs Work being performed (Message 1092356)
Posted 2 Apr 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Provided of course that there is a real, meaningful reason for report deadlines to be created as they are?

There is intended (though it's not a perfect match) to be a direct correlation between the length of time it will take to crunch a task and the deadline it's allowed from issue to return. So, the 'bigger' tasks require no higher proportion of your computer's time than the smaller ones - which allows older/slower computers to participate on even terms.

That explanation doesn't allow for the Astropulse sub-project, though.


Does this mean that different clients can be assigned different due dates for the same work unit, or does it mean that each group of work units is assigned for machines that fall within a certain average work per day range?

Sorry if I'm being a bit dense here, just trying to understand how it is that scheduling and work unit due dates are assigned / calculated, and why my machine makes the choices it does for the work it performs.


Due dates are assigned when you download the work. My old PII & PIII machines have to return their work in the same amount of time any of the fast machines do.

If a task doesn't contain that much work, Such as a "shorty", it might have a smaller due date on it. Maybe 7 days. If there is a lot to process then the task might have a longer due date. Maybe 20 days.

I'm not exactly how the mechanism to decide how much work is in a task functions. I might guess it may be related to the angle range.
5265) Message boards : Number crunching : Problem with ASUS P5N-E SLI (Message 1092348)
Posted 2 Apr 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I want to thank every one for their help.
It turns out it was a bad psu which I have since ordered a replacement.

Good to hear the issue was found and is/(will be) corrected.

5266) Message boards : Number crunching : ATI SETI Problem (Message 1092332)
Posted 1 Apr 2011 by Profile HAL9000
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Another option. As many LCD's that have DVI also have a VGA connector you can connect both to get windows to see 2 monitors.

Also on my system if I do WIN+P and select extend. Then I get another monitor in the driver.
5267) Message boards : Number crunching : Id be more willing to crunch Seti@ home if the credits were increased (Message 1092316)
Posted 1 Apr 2011 by Profile HAL9000
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oh by the way the word "Donate" means in context to "give as a gift"

I expect nothing in return when I give a gift ... it is out of my heart because I care about that person, organization or project I am on...

If you want your credits it might raise your worth in your own eyes to see the numbers you produce .... but that is you .... I will continue to "donate" time and resources and hold nothing over anyone as a threat

IMHO someone that donates the time to do 1 task a year is worthy as as much praise as the guys putting out upteenbillion a day.

The competitive point thing can actually be a good thing. In the same way auto racing helps develop better parts for cars.
5268) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (46) Server problems (Message 1092238)
Posted 1 Apr 2011 by Profile HAL9000
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The scheduling server is off-line...

Perhaps it was the one mucking things up last night.

Seems the cricket went flat at 00:00 UTC. Then around 12:00 UTC all the web stuff went wonky for a while.
5269) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (46) Server problems (Message 1092216)
Posted 1 Apr 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Something's up - logging in here is like stirring treacle ...

Frozen treacle with raisins I'd say.
5270) Message boards : Number crunching : Id be more willing to crunch Seti@ home if the credits were increased (Message 1092082)
Posted 31 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
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Let me know when you can trade those credits in for something tangible.


let me know when you find a signal from aliens.

Crunch your own crunch..


We sure will, and that finding will be worth far more than fake BOINC credits could ever truly be worth.


I totally agree.

Agreed. Statistically the odds seem to be against us, but if you never look you don't know. Like when I found $5 in the sofa. Had I not pulled the cushions out I never would have found it.
5271) Message boards : Number crunching : Id be more willing to crunch Seti@ home if the credits were increased (Message 1092069)
Posted 31 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
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Let me know when you can trade those credits in for something tangible.

I am saving mine up for the free toaster.*

*Note: Toaster not included.
5272) Message boards : Number crunching : Strange BSoD message (Message 1092004)
Posted 31 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
If the machine will start, maybe in Safe Mode if nothing else, there might be an event near this in the event log that would help find the issue.
5273) Message boards : Number crunching : Timed out no response. (Message 1091944)
Posted 31 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
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Have you looked over the message log to see if there is anything in there that might point to the cause? These are all CPU tasks, but you have had 3 GPU tasks with errors in the past month. All for different reasons -12, -6, & -5. The 6 and 5 bad wu header and can't open file. Maybe you are starting to have disk issues?
5274) Message boards : Number crunching : Problem with ASUS P5N-E SLI (Message 1091942)
Posted 31 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
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I have seen a few people say recently that they have had issue with computers not being able to boot or turn on and replacing the battery fixed it. Other then if the battery failed in a direct short I can't think of why a dead battery would cause a system not to operate. I've had several machine loose their bios battery & worked fine with the battery dead. Other then loosing their settings if the machine was unplugged.

I would wonder if resetting the CMOS/BIOS would have fixed the issue in those same situations. Also removing the battery and powering on the system could be done.
5275) Message boards : Number crunching : Problem with ASUS P5N-E SLI (Message 1091792)
Posted 31 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I'd try substituting a few components if possible, starting with the PSU if possible,
any error beeps?
you could try a new CMOS battery

Claggy

The psu is good because the green light on the motherboard stays on and the fans spin briefly. I can of suspected the bios battery. I wanted to hear what others thopught. I will use my volt meter and check the battery.

The LED on the MB is normally just the +5v Standby most of the time.

When I first tried to upgrade my P4 to a C2D system I bought a Asus STRIKER II NSE board. I had it all together with some OCZ memory and a BFG 8800GT. The BFG power supply I order hadn't arrived yet. So I gave it a go with a 350w Antec I already had. It spooled up & ran fine. The BFG supply arrived and when put in the system did what your are getting. Powered on briefly then off. I bench tested the PSU and it seemed fine. It also powered my my old P4 system fine. I returned it as defective and got 2 more before giving up and ordering an Enermax which worked.

I couldn't figure out what was going on other than the fact that MB just didn't like that PSU.
5276) Message boards : Number crunching : GTX 295 Driver Hell (Message 1091786)
Posted 31 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
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So... so ia64 S@H CUDA app then? ;)


Maybe when we all have Tesla cards, and Boinc is changed to allow processing multiple tasks at once through the same application instance :D ... could happen!

[Edit:] BTW I assumed you meant x86_64 aka AMD64 aka EMT64. ia64 is Itanium.

I meant ia64 - Itanium. Mostly just being silly as ia64 was the loosing 64-bit format with it not supporting x86.

Just to clarify, that 32 is happenstance since Jason's experimental build branch has gone through x33 and x34 already. But it is true that the released version's full name is "Lunatics_x32f_win32_cuda30_preview.exe" in both the 32 and 64 bit installers.

Thanks for pointing that out Joe. The devs at work using x32/x64 for platform designations so much I just read x32 as meaning x86 these days.
5277) Message boards : Number crunching : 4 GTX295 Hydros on a EVGA X58 Classified 4-Way SLI (Message 1091785)
Posted 31 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
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Ok, I guess one of the reasons I thought I would like Vista was that it was configurable to look a lot like XP, with some tweeking. As best as I could tell in the limited time I spent with 7, there appeared no way that it could even come near to looking/behaving like XP, which is one reason it's taken so long for businesses to make the switch. A complete re-learn of an OS isn't something to take lightly. ... Thoughts?


If you need to learn something new in any case, you may as well take a look at all the options. There's also a multitude of Linux distributions. There's even Apple systems.

Simply not suffering the malware overhead of Microsoft Windows is a big gain. For such as Linux, you can even have it look like Windows or Apple if you really want. The really big gain is in gaining the freedom to do as you choose!

Happy crunchin',
Martin


The thing that I've found with Linux over the years is that most people just can't come to grips with it so they will always prefer to pay the $'s to have Windows instead as the learning curve for them is so much easier, faster and much less frustrating.
Which is why Linux will stay at the low end of the OS stats unless someone can come along and make it more user friendly (re: simpler) to the greater majority of people.

Cheers.

Like Apple has done with their OS. They put a nice shiny wrapper over everything.
5278) Message boards : Number crunching : Welcome to the 10 year club (Message 1091716)
Posted 30 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
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CRAP...I didn't even realize that I had Passed into the "10 year club".

or the "11 year club"
5279) Message boards : Number crunching : boinc task switching (Message 1091709)
Posted 30 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
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Playing with the <cpu_sched_debug> flag the process is "[cpu_sched_debug] schedule_cpus(): start". By playing the numbers a little I might be able to explain how it works a bit better.

When you set a very high value that is also the amount of time the scheduler assumes it will be running again. So for you the scheduler will always think that all the work it has in the queue must be completed in the next 9999 minutes or it will be late. If it thinks it will be late it switches to DCF/High Priority mode.

I set 40000 minutes and I would get "[cpu_sched_debug] Project has 8 projected CPU deadline misses". With 1000 minutes everything is fine and it leaves whatever task is running alone.
5280) Message boards : Number crunching : boinc task switching (Message 1091704)
Posted 30 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
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the parameter is working ok (within a few minutes in my experience), but I object to having it at all. It really has no logical function, provided boinc is smart enough to switch to HP mode when needed. The liability associated with its use was suggested earlier in the thread. I was looking for someone with a good reason to have it, in case I was overlooking some situation.

Anyway, I have set it for 9999 minutes, which is about 7 days. That comprehends the wu run times that are usually estimated on seti and einstein; but not the general case I realize.


Lets say in the code there is a process "Check on work to see if a different tasks needs to run instead of the current one". It needs to be run to do its job. It would probably get executed in various situations. Such as downloading new work, reporting work, on start up, completing a task etc...

However if none of those event occurs on a regular basis it should still be run every now and then. Which would need a timer. You probably wouldn't want to run that process every 100ms as it would use far more CPU than needed and make your tasks run slower. So a default of 60 min is set.

It would be logical to reset that timer whenever the process runs for any other reason. So more of a "If nothing else causes that process to run. Make it run every x minutes." setting.

So for a machine that has a GPU and completes a task every 15 minutes or so. The process would run then and the 60 timer would keep getting reset. Making it unnecessary in that situation.

In another situation if a task is started & gets stuck running. It happens sometimes. Then every 60 minutes that process would run & see how things are doing. I use a high value. So I have seen tasks get stuck running for 60+ hours on a machine that normals does 2-3 hours per task. If I used a 6 hour time for that value that task might have been stopped and more work completed.

Not having looked at the code, nor do I want to do so, I would imagine it works in that way.
5281) Message boards : Number crunching : Ghost wu's back? (Message 1091680)
Posted 30 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
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I was looking over my validated list and saw some work units that I got the small credit and some where I got the larger credit. If my CPU goes head to head with a GPU I get the smaller and vice versa. I didnt have time to see if Opp Apps gets the better of stock apps.

The CPU Versus GPU seemed to even out close to 50 50. But I didnt look at a big enough sample.

Im going to look after this in my spare time. Im thinking if My old P4 is getting the short end of the stick all the time I will pull it off line.

edit- After a quick glance Id say you get the credit of who ever is the fastest no matter if you finished first. Its how long your computer took for the task.

I haven't seen any of my P4's change much over the past year. The fastest ones are normally in the 900-1100 RAC range. The only oddity I have seen if that the 3.6GHz machine has had higher RAC then the 3.8GHz machine consistently for several months. I have figured it must just be the AR of the work they are getting.
5282) Message boards : Number crunching : Ghost wu's back? (Message 1091660)
Posted 30 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
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I've seen a couple of comments here regarding 'more or less efficient processing' affecting the granted credit.

Does that mean that on a given WU validated by a more efficient cruncher against a less efficient cruncher they would be awarded different credits for the same work?

Or would the less efficient cruncher penalize the more efficient cruncher by both getting awarded the lower of the two amounts?

The kitties wanna know.

I think there are rumors that it works both ways. In that whomever reports first sets the precedent. So a more efficient machine validating take a hit, but a less efficient machine gets a boost when validating. So a more efficient machine would want to always report work first.
[/rumor]
There was a lot going in the threads about the new credit system. That could be all rubbish.
5283) Message boards : Number crunching : boinc task switching (Message 1091657)
Posted 30 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
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@Hal. Two points. First, boinc shouldn't download work that cannot be completed on time, to within the estimates. I don't know how it decides now what to download and with what due dates, however.

The BOINC client just requests x seconds of work. If it asks for 8000 seconds of work that could be 1 task or 100 80 second tasks. So you never know what you might get. The due date is set on the server side. I do understand the reason for the varied delivery mechanism that is used. To me I think tasks always being a fixed time from when they were downloaded would be better.

Second, which you may have missed, my issue is with the automatic switching time parameter. I have no issue with changing wu's in order to complete accepted wu's before the agreed to deadline. That seems to be done without regard to the task switching time that is set in preferences.

OK I thought you didn't like switching tasks at all, but really you are just saying the parameter is broken/not working correctly? That could be true. There was a version some time ago where tasks would run to 50% and then switch for seemingly no reason. Something along those lines, or opposite, might be happening now for you I suppose. The largest value you can set on the server side is '8640.00'. Which for most Seti@Home tasks should effectively disable the parameter.

Are you seeing tasks go from "Running" to "waiting to run". Then other tasks move from "Ready to start" to "Running", but not "Running, High Priority"?

I have seen when snoozing BOINC that when it starts up again it might begin a new tasks instead of continuing the one it was on, but I am using and older version of BOINC. So that might be fixed in a newer version.
5284) Message boards : Number crunching : Ghost wu's back? (Message 1091619)
Posted 30 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
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I believe the new credit system was implemented around June. They had just left the code in the generate "pending credit". In the March 8th maintenance they put in the update that removed this obsolete feature. I know there were complaints from several people about them thinking the new system was granting them less credit. Which could be true. The theory is that less efficient processing will get less credit. So if your credit went down you were just having to much credit granted.

From looking over my daily RAC history for the year I'd say it had been pretty flat for me. With it between 45k and 55k most of the year staying around 50k. Except during very long outages or shutting-down/running machines. There are times when the RAC value seems to randomly just from 50k one day to 25k, then back to 50k the next day, but that sort of thing has occurred for the past several years if not longer.
5285) Message boards : Number crunching : 4 GTX295 Hydros on a EVGA X58 Classified 4-Way SLI (Message 1091616)
Posted 30 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
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That would be the overload alarm on your UPS. The 1000 is the VA, or volt amp, rating. According to the spec it is only rated for a 600w load. You will have to step up the Smart-UPS series to get one that can handle a 800w+ load. At that power level I would probably just switch over to 240v. Often the efficiency of computer supplies is higher by several percent.

A 200v 3Kva UPS does run about $1500, but the 120v 1500va & 2200va units are $600-900. So probably more cost effective in the long run.

On my UPS it has a LCD so I can switch to display the load. With 2 desktops, a notebook, & my network equipment it goes between 285-300w. So with a larger load more variance would be understandable.
5286) Message boards : Number crunching : Need Help With Multiple ATI Cards (Message 1091544)
Posted 30 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

I would find it unlikely that an nvidia board would do Crossfire, but I would expect the cards to function separately. SLI and Crossfire and two different ways of doing the same thing, but that mode work relies on the MB as much a the cards. Originally Intel only supported Crossfire in their chipsets. Then both in their later chipsets.


Well, you would be wrong (apparently). I would have thought that, too, but it didn't seem to work. Physically installing > 2 HD 5550s on the Nvidia board never installed the ATI drivers, whereas on the AMD board, no problem.


That is why I try not to think. Normally all it does is make my head hurt. So I'll read spec docs. Save the wee gerbil in my head from having to run to much. (:
5287) Message boards : Number crunching : boinc task switching (Message 1091507)
Posted 30 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Interesting feedback, but I think I'm misunderstood. My bias is against task switching for any project. Once you start a wu boinc should not swap it out to start another one. There seems to be no reason for it, provided there are other safeguards to rely on for errant science programming.

At a 40K foot level, there seems to be no reason for timed swapping unless one MUST try to keep the resource share in balance over the short term. But years ago, I decided that was not feasible actually and precisley feasible in boinc, and I suspect that observation is still true.


You could be attached to one project with all of the work due months away & plenty of time to complete it. However, the next time you get some new work it might be due in 7 days.
At that point BOINC might need to switch to that work to get it done in time. To prevent BOINC from going nuts and trying to calculate if it should do that constantly it has a timed value. Could they add more checks to that process to look at the work being processed. Then if it has only 13 seconds left out of 12 hours of processing not to switch off of it. They probably could. Would allowing the user to disable it be a good idea. Maybe not.
5288) Message boards : Number crunching : Need Help With Multiple ATI Cards (Message 1091506)
Posted 30 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Well, I finally figured it out.

The problem was, the MB I originally tried to install 4 cards on (ASUS L1N64-SLI WS) has an NVIDIA chipset, and doesn't understand Crossfire (neither do I); I tried it on an AMD chipset board (ASUS M3A79-T Deluxe) and all 4 HD 5550s were installed and have the ATI drivers (Cat 11.3).

YAY!

I would find it unlikely that an nvidia board would do Crossfire, but I would expect the cards to function separately. SLI and Crossfire and two different ways of doing the same thing, but that mode work relies on the MB as much a the cards. Originally Intel only supported Crossfire in their chipsets. Then both in their later chipsets.
5289) Message boards : Number crunching : downloaded tasks not on tasks list (Message 1091474)
Posted 29 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
DOH!!!

How did that get turned off?

Ich bin Ihnen sehr dankbar Gundolf.

I expect it was the same gremlins that turn the handle on my shower 45º towards cold each day.


No, that is your kids flushing the toilet in their bathroom. At least in my experience.

Nah I live alone. The handle gets turned 45º counter clockwise between the time I get out of the shower, at which point it is fine, and the next time I take a shower. There is a logo insert in the middle. So if I am awake enough in the morning I can see it is turned. As I'm not a morning person that doesn't happen much.
So gremlins it is! (:
5290) Message boards : Number crunching : downloaded tasks not on tasks list (Message 1091468)
Posted 29 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
DOH!!!

How did that get turned off?

Ich bin Ihnen sehr dankbar Gundolf.

I expect it was the same gremlins that turn the handle on my shower 45º towards cold each day.
5291) Message boards : Number crunching : boinc task switching (Message 1091449)
Posted 29 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I don't like the boinc requirement that every period of time a task is forced to switched to another task. There is a parameter in the preferences that one may set for the interval, which defaults to 60 m. In a nutshell, it seems to me that once a task is started, it should continue to completion (or it shouldn't have been started).

I thought I might get my way by adjusting the parameter to 0 min. Nope. But it does take 9999 minutes.

Since boinc has other condition-based mechanisms to force a task switch, would someone explain why this parameter is needed, or why I can't just disable its function?

I could analyze more from my ill-educated understanding of boinc, but perhaps one of you could save me the trouble.

I think it is mainly for when you run more than one project. So more "Only check every n minutes to see how other projects are doing & if they need to run instead." If a tasks needs to switch to 'High Priority' mode this value does not seem to come into play. At one time I thought it did & have the max server side value of 8640 minutes set. As I have the mindset of "finish what you started first". The complexity of the scheduler means that will not always be true. Even on my very slowest PII system MB tasks do not take 144 hours for S@H. So if that machine ran more than one project I expect it would be fine.
5292) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (45) Server problems (Message 1091440)
Posted 29 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
does anyone know what the deal with the beta project is? it's been unreachable since about 3/22


I thought this message was pretty informative in that regard.


I thought this message ment the project ment the project should be up.

(If Eric is going to manually grant credit on a daily basis, the project needs to be up, if it isn't up, he'll only need to do it once, and not daily because no new results would have been reported)

Claggy

Maybe they will bring it up after today's maint. cycle.
5293) Message boards : Number crunching : hd 6970 seti (Message 1091331)
Posted 29 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
i got my gpu working on a unit now but its only running at 60 - 70% and i have added <app_info> at the bottom but that did not seem to make any difference???

Did you add <app_info> or </app_info>. Tags with a / are closing tags.
</coproc>
</app_version>
</app_info>
5294) Message boards : Number crunching : GTX 295 Driver Hell (Message 1091327)
Posted 29 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thanks for the education, guys. One last question, what would the 64 bit versions be used for?

Presumably to give the people that wish to write 64-bit application the resources to do so.


Correct. For some detail as to why a 64 bit Cuda multibeam application is pointless at this stage:
- Cuda code runs on GPUs not CPUs, bittage of the Windows OS & CPU doesn't matter for device code.
- As of newer Cuda releases, 64 bit CPU applications must be linked with 64 bit cuda device code, which is slower due to double the pointer address sizes.
- 64 bit device code allows the use of the massive amounts memory available on Tesla cards.
- For the most part, in a very general sense, a lot of optimisation involves reorganising & minimising the memory access & reducing the footprint. Actually making use of enough memory to justify use of 64 bit pointers and address space on these cards that can (very few anyway) would be akin to de-optimising ... memory is very slow compared to computation
- Misconceptions about 64 bitness being faster, I suspect come from the fact that on CPU it generally is. In simple terms the special architecture circuitry & OS layers to handle both at once make 64 bit cpu apps faster running natively... this is not the case with a 64 bit model in GPUs, largely because they don't run an OS.

A 64 bit cpu host & cuda device code application would be slower (yes have tested this), double the maintenance & likely be restricted to professional supercompute cards & Fermis.

HTH,
Jason

So... so ia64 S@H CUDA app then? ;)
5295) Message boards : Number crunching : 4 GTX295 Hydros on a EVGA X58 Classified 4-Way SLI (Message 1091304)
Posted 28 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Sorry, it is the machine labeled Mult-GPU, it currently has 4 GTX260s in it, doing a shakedown run before I put in all the water cooling hardware. Once I run this for a bit (sucessfully) with these cards in it, I will then shut it down and put in all the water cooled bits and pieces.

Only you can see your computer names on the server. The computer ID number is what you would tell other people. Such as 5873188
5296) Message boards : Number crunching : GTX 295 Driver Hell (Message 1091303)
Posted 28 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thanks for the education, guys. One last question, what would the 64 bit versions be used for?

Presumably to give the people that wish to write 64-bit application the resources to do so.
5297) Message boards : Number crunching : I Thought BOINC Was Crazy But... (Message 1091298)
Posted 28 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
If you want to know why BOINC makes the decisions it does then you should enable the logging flags that display the scheduler output.


OK - how do I do that?


Do you know about the cc_config.xml file?
5298) Message boards : Number crunching : I Thought BOINC Was Crazy But... (Message 1091281)
Posted 28 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
If you want to know why BOINC makes the decisions it does then you should enable the logging flags that display the scheduler output.
5299) Message boards : Number crunching : GTX 295 Driver Hell (Message 1091280)
Posted 28 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I remember reading this thread a while ago while working on the upgrade to my other computer, so I thought I would do the same to the new one I just finished building. I upgraded the .dll's to the cufft32_40_10.dll & cudart32_40_10.dll plus the libfftw3f-3.dll. Replaced all the references to the 3 vers in the app_info file, and even renamed the old files with a .bak extension. When I start BOINC, it seems to say that I am still running 3? (3020?)
3/28/2011 12:25:36 PM NVIDIA GPU 0: GeForce GTX 260 (driver version 26658, CUDA version 3020, compute capability 1.3, 896MB, 597 GFLOPS peak)
3/28/2011 12:25:36 PM SETI@home Found app_info.xml; using anonymous platform

BOINC is showing you the driver you have installed. Then the version of CUDA that driver supports. Not what you put in your app_info.xml.
Here are my questions, I have XP 64 bit, the 64 bit BOINC and the 64 bit Lunatics installer installed, but when I went to my directory to change the above files, I noticed that all that was listed were the 32 bit ones. I copied both sets (32 & 64 bit) over to the correct dir, and added .bak to the old 32 bit ones. It appears that it is running the 32 bit file not the 64. Am I missing something here? How can I get it to run the 64 bit app by default? Thanks

The CUDA application is only 32-bit. Hence Lunatics_Win64v0.37_AP505r409_AKv8bx64_Cudax32f.exe
5300) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (45) Server problems (Message 1091230)
Posted 28 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
All the splitters are red and orange, so something is turned off, or there's a problem.

They were all red last night, so Matt & Co. must be working on it.

Looks that way. about half of them are green and it looks like working is being split right now.
5301) Message boards : Number crunching : Ghost wu's back? (Message 1091166)
Posted 28 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I thought Joe made it pretty clear in this message that the "Pending Credit" function had been turned off - when I click on "Pending credit" from my account page, I gat a blank page. I can see what Pending Tasks I have by sorting the TASKS page by "Pending" rather than "All Tasks", but we can't get pending credit, because under the "New Credit" system, credit is not calculated until the Work Unit validates.

I can live with it the way it is, but I'm not a mega-cruncher. (8{)

Yes, Perhaps there should be a sticky for that topic, or someone should make a new one '"Pending Credit" RIP 2011'. (:


So who exactly announced that the pending credit is dynamic now? I have yet to see anything from anyone from the project. Guess finding it out second hand is best....heh. Least we 'know' what's going now.


My understanding of how it was described. Disclaimer: My understanding might be +/-107% (:
More efficient hosts would gain more credit than less efficient hosts. So if you had a computer that started spitting out lots of errors its efficiency would go down generating lower granted for completed work. So the higher your "Average processing rate" for an application the better.

There was a discussion in the thread "Why is the 'new' credit system still erratic." & there is the description in the wiki.
5302) Message boards : Number crunching : CLOSED- SETI/BOINC Milestones [ v2.0 ] - XXII -CLOSED (Message 1091156)
Posted 28 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Racked up 19,000,000 (Working my way up to that free toaster!*)
Finally broke past 70,000 RAC
Made it well into the top 300 with credit

*Toaster not included.
5303) Message boards : Number crunching : Thinking about AMD GPU (Message 1091075)
Posted 28 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
AMD came to GPGPU with very big delay. Their HD4xxx not actually comparable with NV GPUs in GP-GPU area.
If you will buy smth new, get at least HD5xxx. Even cheaper/low end HD5xxx can be better for SETI in long term. They have fast local memory available, further app optimization will be targeted to maximize local memory usage.

HD4870 is fast in raw computing power, but mostly stalled wayting for memory in current SETI apps...

I will fire up the HD5750 in my HTPC & see what kind of numbers it makes. It had a very small cooling setup so I would not want to leave it running Seti@Home constantly.

My HD5750 has run though several .37 tasks in about 40-45 min. So for .42 tasks it might be closer to 30 min. I did a few 2 at once and it just seemed to run 2 twice as slow. So no advantage on this card for more then 1 it seems. It is actually running cooler then I expected. Only 59º-60ºC for 1 tasks and then around 63ºC for 2 at once. with the fan running around 40%. I'll be checking in on 5255585 later to see how it handles other AR tasks.
5304) Message boards : Number crunching : Ghost wu's back? (Message 1091069)
Posted 28 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I thought Joe made it pretty clear in this message that the "Pending Credit" function had been turned off - when I click on "Pending credit" from my account page, I gat a blank page. I can see what Pending Tasks I have by sorting the TASKS page by "Pending" rather than "All Tasks", but we can't get pending credit, because under the "New Credit" system, credit is not calculated until the Work Unit validates.

I can live with it the way it is, but I'm not a mega-cruncher. (8{)

Yes, Perhaps there should be a sticky for that topic, or someone should make a new one '"Pending Credit" RIP 2011'. (:
5305) Message boards : Number crunching : Ghost wu's back? (Message 1091041)
Posted 28 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
If you want to see your pending tasks. You would have to go to your tasks and select Show: Pending. Then flip through all the pages to count them.

LOL....Wanna try that with 8 rigs reporting?
And 3 of them with dual GPUs?


Your computer 5082339 has 1544 pending tasks as of just a moment ago.

Ahh...yes.
I know how you got there. But how many pending credits?

0
My understanding is that the credit system is now dynamic. So credit doesn't exist until a consensus is reached.

I get a bit dynamic myself....especially when Boinc T's me off.

Meow.

Of that there is defiantly a consensus! (:
5306) Message boards : Number crunching : Just upgraded my inlaws CPU & added a GPU, have ?'s (Message 1091040)
Posted 28 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
That makes sense. Thanks for stating the obvious, sometimes it's right in front of you plain as day.. Duh. :) One more question, I was looking at her pending tasks, Completed, waiting for validation, and noticed that she had one from mid Dec, and some from early to late Feb. Is there an issue with these, are they waiting for something, or are they the Ghost tasks I've read about?

A ghost task is one that shows as "In progress" in the list, but doesn't exist on your computer. With resends turned on I don't think that occurs to much anymore.

The oldest pending task I see is only from 4 months ago. I did have some that were 14 months out for a while.
5307) Message boards : Number crunching : Thinking about AMD GPU (Message 1090996)
Posted 27 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
AMD came to GPGPU with very big delay. Their HD4xxx not actually comparable with NV GPUs in GP-GPU area.
If you will buy smth new, get at least HD5xxx. Even cheaper/low end HD5xxx can be better for SETI in long term. They have fast local memory available, further app optimization will be targeted to maximize local memory usage.

HD4870 is fast in raw computing power, but mostly stalled wayting for memory in current SETI apps...

I will fire up the HD5750 in my HTPC & see what kind of numbers it makes. It had a very small cooling setup so I would not want to leave it running Seti@Home constantly.
5308) Message boards : Number crunching : Ghost wu's back? (Message 1090995)
Posted 27 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
If you want to see your pending tasks. You would have to go to your tasks and select Show: Pending. Then flip through all the pages to count them.

LOL....Wanna try that with 8 rigs reporting?
And 3 of them with dual GPUs?


Your computer 5082339 has 1544 pending tasks as of just a moment ago.

Ahh...yes.
I know how you got there. But how many pending credits?

0
My understanding is that the credit system is now dynamic. So credit doesn't exist until a consensus is reached.
5309) Message boards : Number crunching : Ghost wu's back? (Message 1090991)
Posted 27 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
If you want to see your pending tasks. You would have to go to your tasks and select Show: Pending. Then flip through all the pages to count them.

LOL....Wanna try that with 8 rigs reporting?
And 3 of them with dual GPUs?


Your computer 5082339 has 1544 pending tasks as of just a moment ago.
5310) Message boards : Number crunching : Just upgraded my inlaws CPU & added a GPU, have ?'s (Message 1090990)
Posted 27 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I'd say 'angle range'

Anything that could be done about it via any tweaking, or is it just the way it is? Everything else you saw look a-ok? Thanks again

Different AR tasks take different amount of time to process. About 0.42 is "average". When the AR is higher or lower the amount of time it takes will decrease or increase from what is "normal". Looking at the results for a completed tasks will show it's AR. For example "WU true angle range is : 0.414398".
5311) Message boards : Number crunching : Ghost wu's back? (Message 1090988)
Posted 27 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
If you want to see your pending tasks. You would have to go to your tasks and select Show: Pending. Then flip through all the pages to count them.
5312) Message boards : Number crunching : Thinking about AMD GPU (Message 1090986)
Posted 27 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Apps have been released for MB & AP on the Lunatics download site. Here are the local topics on the releases.
MultiBeam application for ATi GPUs released
New ATI OpenCL-based AstroPulse (rev516) released

Looking at the Hierarchy Chart from Tom's Hardware it looks like my HD4870 compares to a GTX 260 or GTX 460. Average tasks, 0.42 AR, run about 45-50 minutes for me on my HD4870. So you would want want to compare those cards I suppose. I see your machine with 2 GTX 260's runs around 15 minutes for average tasks.
5313) Message boards : Number crunching : Just upgraded my inlaws CPU & added a GPU, have ?'s (Message 1090976)
Posted 27 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I'd say 'angle range'
5314) Message boards : Number crunching : Boinc 6.10.60 (Message 1090974)
Posted 27 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
OK thanks. I'll leave my other machines at 6.10.58 then.


I'll leave 2 machines with 6.10.18. If it ain't broken, don't fix it.

I upgraded one to 6.10.56 some time ago just for fun, but I should have left it running 6.2.19. 6.10.56 didn't add anything I need or want.

This spewing out of new versions like there was no tomorrow, seems to be more for the developers to have something to do, than any other reasons. There are very few bug fixes, apart from bugs introduced when rushing to get some new unwanted feature that doesn't add anything useful at all really.

The older versions still produce valid results.

Next time I upgrade will be in 10 years or so, unless it's mandatory for some reason.


<opinion>
For the past several years the whole software industry has taken the approach of "Forget about the current user base. Lets add features to 'WOW' new people into using our software." Sadly most of them have also hired consultants from Playskool to do so.
</opinion>
5315) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (45) Server problems (Message 1090801)
Posted 27 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
My computers had an issue Saturday morning for about 2 hours where they were reporting they couldn't find the server. Which matches the 2 hour dip in the bandwidth graph. However since I didn't get up until the crack of 12:30pm I didn't notice a thing until I went into the logs and looked.

The logs on my machines showed that after those 2 hours whatever was going on had stopped. They were requesting and getting work each occasion. Sometimes it would be 1 task or as many as 20 tasks. Several hours later when the bandwidth was pegged then they were getting 0 sometimes.
5316) Message boards : Number crunching : Display Request (Message 1090798)
Posted 27 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
See the thread tasks not in pending-credit-list for what has happened to the pending credit list.
5317) Message boards : Number crunching : Stat site question (Message 1090650)
Posted 26 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
When you click on the "STATISTICS" link at the top right of the screen you will find a list of 13 stat sites that get the daily stats dump from the servers. Most of them have search good abilities that aren't offered here. IIRC the reason they don't have a lot of fancy search things here was something about lots of random search requests to the db would cause everything to come to a grinding halt.

Also just because a machine is listing as having whatever CPU or GPU doesn't mean it is actually being used. I have a 5750 in my HTPC but I only run on work on the i7. So viewing that machine with an i7-860 & the 5750 the numbers would tend to look low & not give an accurate account of how each part functions. I think on one of the GPU computing sites they have a sort of rough db of how well each card does on each project.
5318) Message boards : Number crunching : WHS and seti (Message 1090520)
Posted 26 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I was considering this from Amazon "Microsoft Windows Home Server System Builder with URP1" I don't know which version this is. From what I have seen on the internet they have problems with magicjack such asyou have to install it on another computer first then onto WHS but no mention with seti.

That is WHS with Power Pack 1. "Power Packs" are much like service packs, but they gave it a "new & exciting" name for home server. Currently PP3 is out which you would be able to update to.

WHS 2011 hasn't been released just yet. It is scheduled for 1st Half of 2011. Which means it could be end of June.

They only support non server OS's, but as it works with XP it should work fine. There might just be some tweak you need to do.
5319) Message boards : Number crunching : WHS and seti (Message 1090512)
Posted 26 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The original Windows Home Server is based on Windows Server 2003, but Windows Home Server 2011 is based off of Windows Server 2008 R2. Other then limiting things such as memory usage & number of physical processors I don't see why you would be unable to use and standards software with them. Such as BOINC or whatever software magic jack requires.
5320) Message boards : Number crunching : Oh, the irony... (Message 1090507)
Posted 26 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
My old HP laptop is now on record for completing a workunit.

And relatively 'quick', too! Running at 100% for the last ~3.4 days.

Martin

ps. I couldn't locate the MMX only optimized app anywhere. Several links still exist, but they don't go anywhere I could locate the file. So, the laptop is powered down for now.

pps. all SETI world records are safe, until next time...lol


They did change things around a bit. I compressed the files and tossed the MMX opt app up on my server if you feel like playing around with it. It does have a change from the original download file in that the 603 section has been added to the app_info.xml.
5321) Message boards : Number crunching : Sandy Bridge build thoughts please (Message 1090498)
Posted 26 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
HAL9000 I'm very impressed to here you can hardly hear your CPU fan anymore. The closest I can find to your Thermalright Venomous X RT is a Cogage (Thermalright) ARROW CPU Heatsink and Fan for Intel Socket 775/1156/1366 for $123.05NZD $92.26USD. Out of interest what type of ram are you using & at what speed is it?

I am very happy with the setup. I was also considering the MUX-120 from Thermalright. However I opted for the bigest thing that would fit in the case. lol The arrow is just to large for my MB & case, or I probably would have gotten it. Here they sell it with 2 140mm fans for as low as $80.
I have never used a fan from Thermalright before. Normally I just get a heat sink from them and use Nexus fans, but this one came with a fancy plastic mounting bracket. So I paid the $10 more to get it with the fan. Which seems to be on par with the Nexus case fan I have in the same system. If you haven't heard of Nexus here is their site. I first heard about them from Silent PC Review, which as the name implies, tests products for their silentness.
I only have dual channel on my 860 but the kit I got for it is XMS3 4GB Dual Channel DDR3 Memory Kit (CMX4GX3M2A1600C8). I use the XMP settings where it runs at 1600 8-8-8-24.
5322) Message boards : Number crunching : Need some help picking a Optimized app (Message 1090461)
Posted 25 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I don't have a C2Q to run test on. However I am doing on long term test with my home i7-860 using the SSE4.1 app. Then 5 i7-860's at work 5012752, 5049864, 5168805, 5369466, & 5369492 using the SSSE3.

So far it is hard to say but the completion times for the 4.1 app are faster. Even though I had my machine at home clocked down a little due to cooling issues. time will see how it plays out.
5323) Message boards : Number crunching : Sandy Bridge build thoughts please (Message 1090457)
Posted 25 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
With all the talk of cooling & noise I finally got around to upgrading the stock cooler on my i7-860. I noticed the cores were running at 99ºC sometimes. With it clocked down to 2.6GHz & the room temp at only 22º-23ºC. It is in an older case that doesn't have the best airflow. :/

So I ordered a Thermalright Venomous X RT. It arrived today and I installed it when I got home from work. For the past 90 minutes it's been running around 45ºC slightly tweaked up to 3GHz under full S@H load & HD content playing. I'll probably go for 4GHz at some point, but for now it's fine. The only sound I hear now is the cooling fan in my TV. With the TV off it is hard to tell if the machine is on or not. So I'd say 60 bucks well spent. If I get a case with better ventilation later I am sure it will do a bit better.
5324) Message boards : Number crunching : BOINC 6.12.26 released to public (Message 1090449)
Posted 25 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
So, what is fixed in .19? And where to find what is new in fresh released recommended 6.10.60?


Until the version history is updated you can see all the changes here, but it is a long list of things to look over.
5325) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (45) Server problems (Message 1090405)
Posted 25 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
If I do not get any new work units before the end of the year 2021, it's highly likely that I will turn off at least one computer.

:-)

I just got a copy of Crysis 2. If I don't get work units before I run out, I will be forced to play the new game. I tried it briefly, and the graphics were intense!

Steve


Eww have fun Steve it's a pretty decent game worth taking for a spin for sure. Personally it doesn't matter because if the nutter's are right our job will be over Dec.21st 2012 anyways right? Isn't that when the aliens come and we get to drink some Kool-Aid? Or did I already miss that one?

OK, but in which timezone? :)

Oh and btw I just had 250 WU's go "Error while downloading".....wtf.

I noticed I had a large amount of downloads that were in back off mode, but after a while everything seems to have cleared without any errors.
5326) Message boards : Number crunching : Project has no tasks available (Message 1090180)
Posted 25 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
There is data in the splitter, but you know it happens.
5327) Message boards : Number crunching : Why only CUDA tasks lately? (Message 1090145)
Posted 25 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
So how would I do that? I haven't found any docs or features in the tabs in the Manager that says reschedule. Where is that feature hiding?

Keith

Like the Opt Apps it is 3rd party. The thread about Freds rescheduler is here.
5328) Message boards : Number crunching : Why only CUDA tasks lately? (Message 1090139)
Posted 24 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
While I have gotten a very few CPU tasks in the last day or so, it is nothing like I used to get. I have to play games with MilkyWay@Home, if I don't set it to NNT when I do an Update, then MW always puts itself at the front of the queue in demanding CPU work. If I let it get work ahead of Seti, then Seti immediately runs into the CPU dept inflicted my MW. I'd say besides the work dept that builds up on other projects and puts Seti at the bottom, the primary reason I haven't gotten any CPU work is that there hasn't been any to send. I still get tons of GPU work.

Keith

You could always reschedule GPU work to the CPU.
5329) Message boards : Number crunching : GTX 590's are out. (Message 1090132)
Posted 24 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
This morning Engadget made a post about the 590 with links to several review in it. You can find it here.

Not included in that list was Toms HW comparison against the 6990 and some older ATI & NVIDIA cards.
5330) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (45) Server problems (Message 1090098)
Posted 24 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I'm sorry I have taken them all. One of my machines has grabbed ~700 in the past 22 hours.


Evil, very evil. I'm at a loss for words.....(as well as new work units) Thanks ET for a 10 day cache.

A lot of them of them are 15 min GPU shorties. Normally the machine only has 200-400.
5331) Message boards : Number crunching : My HD4870 GPU burned (Message 1090096)
Posted 24 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Raistmer, it's been a few days since you got it up and running, how's the new kit turning out for you? Any surprises, either pleasant or unpleasant? Has it been working as you expected? Better, worse?

Actually it works just OK. I'm collecting baseline statistics for now - single instance per app. Will post performance data (graphs) when finish processing.


With temperatures, fan speeds and noise levels please. I'm thinking of buying one myself but want to wait for the prices to fall a bit.


for now gpu not loaded fully.
Freqs are 800/1250MHz, GPU load ~85-88% (on some MB tasks), fan at 40% (manually setted to this value). Card's fan quite silent at this level. Maybe, even more silent than HD4870 was (I setted it to 44% on old GPU).
Temp at 70C
Attempt to run GPU-Z (I hoped to see load and temp kinetics) locked host completely. Looks like hard reset required now.
Catalyst's overdrie can be opened w/o problems while crunching, but not GPU-Z.

I have no problems opening gpuz while processing with gpu. It reports the same info as control center & HWMonitor. Which I also had open. I took a screenshot with everything going on 5837483.
I think you had said you had the same problem with your old GPU also?
5332) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (45) Server problems (Message 1090087)
Posted 24 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
O Workunit, Where Art Thou?

I'm sorry I have taken them all. One of my machines has grabbed ~700 in the past 22 hours.
5333) Message boards : Number crunching : In Ubuntu 10.10 we have CUDA or not? (Message 1090079)
Posted 24 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

<snip>
Qui 24 Mar 2011 14:32:58 WET NVIDIA GPU 0: GeForce GT 330M (driver version unknown, CUDA version 3020, compute capability 1.2, 1023MB, 116 GFLOPS peak)
<snip>

SETI@home don't recognize CUDA GPU?

There is no stock application for Linux CUDA. I read in another thread that work is being done towards a Seti CUDA application.

Edit: Ignore me. Claggy was on it before I submitted my post. Note to self: Refresh when you leave computer for a while to see if there are already comments on a post....
5334) Message boards : Number crunching : Some Questions (Message 1090075)
Posted 24 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I'm guessing since the GPU clock is 625 that you have a 4850? It might not have as beefy cooling system as the 4870 cards. That would cause it run much warmer if so. Your case & several other things also contribute to how well a cooling system works. I have a pretty big case, Thermaltake M9, with nothing in the bottom section. So I would guess it gets pretty decent airflow.

I don't recall the temp my GPU normally runs at, but the fan only runs about 40% of max speed. When I was running Collatz on the same card it would run hot enough for the fan to spin up to 100%.

Edit: My GPU runs between 65ºC & 66ºC with the fan at 44% or 45%.
5335) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (45) Server problems (Message 1089972)
Posted 24 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I guess it crashed again.

No splitter is running and cricket seems dead too.

When I saw those tapes going a few hours ago they looked close to finishing. As it is only 7:30AM Berkeley time some new data might get loaded when they get into the lab today.
5336) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (45) Server problems (Message 1089937)
Posted 24 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Ooo.. got some work from 08se06ac and 09oc06ac :o 4.5 year old WU ftw?

You also have several from tape 28se06aa.
Right now tapes 11oc06ac & 12se06ac are being split.
5337) Message boards : Number crunching : Some Questions (Message 1089827)
Posted 24 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have a couple of computers that are just plain old. The only thing I have on them is SETI@home. Is their a program I can use to help speed them up on the number RAC? I don't want to have any problems with the integrity of the work. Does anybody have a link I go to, or does anyone have some directions I may follow?

If you mean your Althlon XP2500+ & Pentium M systems. Then you can run CPU-Z to find out what they support. Then when you run the Lunatics Installer you just check all of the right boxes. It is advisable to run your queue near empty before switching apps.

Your newer Core machines can also run the optimized apps if you wish. Same process as above. Find out what they support(SSE, SSE2, SSE3, SSSE3 & such) then check the right boxes in the installer.
5338) Message boards : Number crunching : Some Questions (Message 1089816)
Posted 24 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hi,

I've been away from Seti and Boinc for a while and just came back in the last couple months. When I last ran Seti, there was no GPU apps and I don't recall every having run any custom apps. After signing up for Milkyway and seeing my ATI card ripping thru the work units, I decided to try the Lunatic apps on Seti.

So far everything seems to be working correctly, but I had a few questions/ ideas that you could answer/verify for me.

1- I am running the custom apps on my E5500 intel chip. When the sse question came up, I went with ssse3 under the assumption that the higher the number and more letters the better. I know the chip won't support sse4.1, but was there a better choice?

On my C2D T7200 I found the SSSE3 app to be about 6% faster than SSE3 for the same tasks. YMMV

2- I added the MB and astropulse ATI apps info to the end of the app_info.xml by copying and pasting from Lunatics. The MB seem to be working fine (I've had CPU and GPU versions run, no astropulse yet). Am I correct in assuming the workunits are the same for both CPU/GPU and the scheduler just fills whichever request my client is sending? In other words I could reschedule any CPU workunits on the GPU and they would still work out fine?

MB tasks are MB tasks. You can move them freely between CPU & GPU with the rescheduler tools. ATI cards seem to handle VLAR tasks better then NVIDIA cards. So you might not need to move them to the CPU. My 4870 seems to be ok with them while I am playing flash games on FB. Again YMMV

3- I removed the flops entries. From what I can tell, I would need to manually adjust them to get accurate times, but without them the server will questimate better as I return more workunits. Is that true? Also will it create a different modifier for each app, or just create one modifier for the computer and apply it to all the Seti apps?

You would enter a flap value per app. I like to put it in there. just for aesthetics. I like to put it on a line right after <version_num>, but I'm not sure if it matter where it goes if you put it in.

4- I saw the thread about the new beta version 7 app. When a new app is released to the general public, will my app_info.xml interfere with the new app, or will it see I don't have an entry for the new app and default to the Seti general app?

Thanks

When the v7 app is released for general consumption you might need to add a new section in your app info for "<version_num>701</version_num>" or whatever it becomes. I did that for a machine with a CUDA card until I switched to a new app.
5339) Message boards : Number crunching : Need Help With Multiple ATI Cards (Message 1089815)
Posted 24 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
You try it with just 3 cards?
5340) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (45) Server problems (Message 1089792)
Posted 23 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Not Panic, not even whining, but not worth a new thread ...

Noticed new sorting capability in "Computers on this account". must be handy for yous farmers.

Andrew

Did they change something with the sorting? It's been sortable by selecting the header for as long as I can remember. It even does reverse is you select the same header a 2nd time. I have always liked sorting my machines by RAC when looking at the list. I also use Last Contact quiet often. Helps to find a machine that hasn't called home in a few days.
5341) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (45) Server problems (Message 1089688)
Posted 23 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Old resource says it's a 35 Gbyte Tape....

Helli

Server Status shows the size of what is being slit at the moment. For the past few years they have been around 50GB.

So 50GB would generate around 125k tasks for us to play with I think.
5342) Message boards : Number crunching : release-date bobcat (Message 1089344)
Posted 22 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I think they are designed to compete against the Intel Atom market. On the CPU side I would expect performance to be in the same sort of range at least in a performance per watt scenario. With the GPU I have seen some of the comparisons. the built in ATI tech that AMD incorporated is much better then Intel's integrated video solution.
5343) Message boards : Number crunching : SETI@home v7 Beta is coming (Message 1089342)
Posted 22 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I'd be more interested in runtime differences between 6.03 and 6.90 'in the wild'. See how much time the additional computation takes.

You can always grab a task and run both apps on the task to see how they compare.
5344) Message boards : Number crunching : release-date bobcat (Message 1089218)
Posted 21 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Does anyone have new information about when the bobcat-processor can be bought?
I found only old articles written in 2010, saying that it will be released in Q1 2011... which is at its end in 9 days.


Paul

A few of them have already launched. They are designed to be used in netbooks and such. So I don't know if you can just buy the cpus at this time.
5345) Message boards : Number crunching : New machine wanted mainly in the UK (Message 1089179)
Posted 21 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
After a new machine around £700 any ideas of what to buy or build and where from?

Are you looking to upgrade/replace one of your current computers or is this to add to the mix?

Looking at prices on amazon.co.uk an i5-2500 is about £150 with an i7-2600 around £230. 4GB of ram would be around £40 and a board that would work for either one of those CPU's about £90. I don't know if those prices include vat or not so it could be a bit more.

If you are upgrading one of your old systems and can reuse things such as the case(you might need a new PSU though) & DVD drive you can spend more on the good bits. Such as a nice video card or something.
5346) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows 8 + IE10 ??? (Message 1089150)
Posted 21 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Internet Explorer is the #1 browser, for downloading other browsers.
5347) Message boards : Number crunching : SETI@home v7 Beta is coming (Message 1089131)
Posted 21 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Very long run times compared to V8.

[ img ]http://www.alice-dsl.net/mikek/SetiV7.JPG[ /img ]

I find most of the tasks that come from beta are very long. On a machine that normally runs 2-3hrs per task the beta ones will run around 10hrs.
5348) Message boards : Number crunching : No Work (Message 1089126)
Posted 21 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Okay, I've now upgrated it to a 3 days cache, how do I get it to run 24/7?

If your computer is already on 24/7 & you leave BOINC running. Then the only thing stopping it would be any time of day restrictions or not having it set for all users to use it, but that is only if more than one person logs into the computer.
5349) Message boards : Number crunching : need help cc_conf file (Message 1088958)
Posted 21 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
You may might not want to use what I have in there for a cc_config.xml. If you didn't have one before, you don't necessarily need one. You should already have a app_info.xml in your \projects\setiathome.berkeley.edu folder. Editing <count>1</count> to <count>.5</count> should b e all you need to do iirc.
5350) Message boards : Number crunching : need help cc_conf file (Message 1088950)
Posted 21 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have a notice from Boinc
Missing start tag in cc_config.xml


This is what would be in your cc_config.xml
<cc_config>
<log_flags>
<task>0</task>
<file_xfer>0</file_xfer>
<sched_ops>1</sched_ops>
</log_flags>
<options>
<save_stats_days>180</save_stats_days>
</options>
</cc_config>

If all that other stuff is in the cc_config.xml instead of app_info.xml it is defiantly wrong.
5351) Message boards : Number crunching : need help cc_conf file (Message 1088941)
Posted 21 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
well if this is you cc_config.xml that is the first problem. This looks like a app_info.xml file.

But lets go with you meant app_info.xml. What problem are you having?
5352) Message boards : Number crunching : Sandy Bridge build thoughts please (Message 1088936)
Posted 21 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

P.S. Ah, I'm sorry, you were the one, who refuses to play with BIOS and overclocking before.

The reason why I don't like over clocking is because it uses more power & puts extra strain on the CPU. How ever i may look into over clocking. If I was to get a CPU cooler what brand would you recommend? At present I'm running 11 WCG HFCC & 1Rosetta due to there been no Seti work at the mo. temps are between 59 & 69 degrees C. Room temp is 19.8c
For faster ram speeds you might consider maybe just a new motherboard that supports faster memory. The my i7-860 board supports XMP(Extreme Memory Profile) and runs the memory at 1600 instead of just 1333.

My ga-x58a-ud3r board can support 2200 ram at present it's using Kingston 1333.

I only run my 470 when I'm home reason been power consumption & if it the fan speed gets over 3,000 RPM that's around 65% fan speed. Card also on air cooling stock heatsink


Several review sites have done tests to see what overclocking does for power consumption. I don't think I have see any done for the 6 core i7's yet. For the most part power usage increase less then the performance does. So for a 17% overclock you might only see 15% more power usage. However at some point it hits a wall and power usage goes up sharply.

Here is a bunch of data from xbitlabs that has done such tests. Looking at the numbers for the i7-950 it goes along smoothly until 3.8GHz. Then at 4.0GHz it is a slightly larger jump. Then at 4.2GHz it is a large jump in power required.
5353) Message boards : Number crunching : My HD4870 GPU burned (Message 1088931)
Posted 21 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Google published a study on hard drive failures in their data centers a few years ago. Then more recently a study posted on Toms Hardware was published in August.

Both are good reads.
5354) Message boards : Number crunching : tasks not in pending-credit-list (Message 1088875)
Posted 20 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

Would you happen to know if the plan is to completely depreciate the current list that shows pending tasks, or if there is some kind of change planned to give it a reason to be?

No, Dr. Anderson hasn't made any comment about the next step AFAIK.
                                                                   Joe

Soooo...
We don't know if this is a plan by DA to keep us in the dark about our pending credits, as he hid the claimed credits....
Or if this an artifact of some transitional work by the Seti staff?

With the new credit system I don't think claimed credit really exists any longer. I am sure they would leave the code in to calculate it the old way, but that leads to problems of "What is going on? I had 150 claimed credit, but I was only granted 10!!!!"
5355) Message boards : Number crunching : No Work (Message 1088874)
Posted 20 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
From reading the messages here, it sounds like I should upgrad my cache from a 1 day cache to a 10 days cache or...?


A lot of people suggest 4-5 day if you want to keep your computer running S@H constantly & do not have any other projects you like to run.
5356) Message boards : Number crunching : Death of a power supply (Message 1088856)
Posted 20 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
For a RMA they might do an advanced replacement. Where they send out a new unit right away putting a charge on a credit card until the old unit is received.

Oddly enough I have been thinking about upgrading my '99 Wolfsburg Jetta to a new TDI Golf as well. With 150k miles on the clock & still happily going around corners faster than most of my passengers prefer it is a hard decision.
5357) Message boards : Number crunching : No Work (Message 1088836)
Posted 20 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I am just thankful for all the GPU crunchers out there tossing out bad work. So their tasks get recycled & sent out to someone that can process them correctly. :)


So there is a problem with people using GPU's for their crunching?

No, not at all.

Exactly what are you saying?
Todd

Exactly what I said. I am thankful for the ones spitting out error work so it has to be rechecked.
5358) Message boards : Number crunching : No Work (Message 1088827)
Posted 20 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I am just thankful for all the GPU crunchers out there tossing out bad work. So their tasks get recycled & sent out to someone that can process them correctly. :)
5359) Message boards : Number crunching : Sandy Bridge build thoughts please (Message 1088823)
Posted 20 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The only way I would suggest switching to a Sandy Bridge CPU from what you have now is if your electric bill is an issue. If you had something older and were asking if you should go with the 980 or the 2600 I would suggest the 2600 as the 980 is better performance, but not that much given the much higher cost.

For faster ram speeds you might consider maybe just a new motherboard that supports faster memory. The my i7-860 board supports XMP(Extreme Memory Profile) and runs the memory at 1600 instead of just 1333.

Spending a fraction of what you listed on more efficient cooling would be my first though tho.

You could always save your money and wait for the LGA2011 processors to come out. They replace LGA1366.

Personally I am waiting for Ivy Bridge to see what that looks like.
5360) Message boards : Number crunching : RAC ? (Message 1088818)
Posted 20 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
With my pending WUs slowly but steadily dropping, from a high of 50k with a little under 20k more to go, I'm finally back to where I was before the great crash of '10. MANY HAPPY DAYS OF CRUNCH'IN TO GO!!!!

It isn't that you have fewer pending tasks. It is more that "claimed Credit" is no longer being recorded in the database. So that list will not grow. See the thread tasks not in pending-credit-list where Richard & Josef pointed out what was going on.
5361) Message boards : Number crunching : Oh, the irony... (Message 1088701)
Posted 20 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Sutaru & HAL9000 - Thanks for your suggestions! I tried versions 1.09, 1.15 and 1.17 with no success. No voltages, no fans, nothing.

I just ran the laptop at 100% for a few minutes to see if a fan would kick on, but not even that happened (at least, I didn't hear anything!)

So, it's back to 50%, and after a few wu's have completed I'll probably just pack it up for another 10 years or so. It will be fun to see how it compares years from now when a laptop or desktop pc is unheard of, and a "cell phone" is a supercomputer by today's standards.

Martin


It might be working fine. My 6 year old 1.5GHz Pentium M notebook would have to do work for around an hour before the fan actually kicked on. I know Motherboard monitor work on my 1GHZ PIII Dell I had, but with that vintage notebook maybe there are no sensors for software to read. Anything displayed in the BIOS?
5362) Message boards : Number crunching : Oh, the irony... (Message 1088569)
Posted 19 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
As some of you may know, I am still running a dual P3 server and a dual Prestonia (P4) based server. Both are productive across different projects, even if a little slow.

Terrific John!

I just unleashed an old HP laptop on SETI a few days ago. It's a Pii 300MHz. It should finish its 1st mb task in about 2 more weeks. There's no temp monitoring at all, so I'm just running the cpu at 50% usage.

After this mb finishes, I'll install the Lunatics app and let'er rip!

You've all been warned! LOL

Martin
[edited]


Maybe it's possible to let run HWMonitor to measure the temps?


The Lunatics Installer have no MMX opt. MB app. You have to do it alone.

Number crunching : MMX Opt App


- Best regards! - Sutaru Tsureku, team seti.international founder. -


I used to use Motherboard Monitor for years, but the last new version, 5.3.7.0, was done in 2004. The newest 1.17 HWMonitor doesn't work on some older hardware. An older version such as 1.15 is needed. Sometimes 1.16 will work if you are lucky.
5363) Message boards : Number crunching : No Work (Message 1088529)
Posted 19 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I would guess since Matt posted 2 days ago "we're always going to hit period where workunits are scarce, and that's okay". That would sort of indicate that we shouldn't expect to get to much work for a bit.

The few tasks that my machines have been issued over the past few days seem to be reissues from report times expiring or inconclusive results needing another confirmation.

The only fly in the ointment is that the server status page has not been updating. That indicates to me a problem other than just having no datasets loaded to split right now.
If server status were updating, we might know.

If those cleaning people would just stop plugging in their vacuum!

Looking over the logs on my home boxes the last time I see any bulk work getting downloading was 3/18/2011 8:34:20 PM(3/19/2011 12:34:20 AM UTC) where that machine got 43 new tasks. About 5 minutes later it requested work again and all the messages since have been "Project has no tasks available". With only 1-2 tasks at a time every few hours since.
5364) Message boards : Number crunching : No Work (Message 1088518)
Posted 19 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I would guess since Matt posted 2 days ago "we're always going to hit period where workunits are scarce, and that's okay". That would sort of indicate that we shouldn't expect to get to much work for a bit.

The few tasks that my machines have been issued over the past few days seem to be reissues from report times expiring or inconclusive results needing another confirmation.
5365) Message boards : Number crunching : Computer caught randomly generting new ID (Message 1088448)
Posted 19 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I guess something must have alzheimers or something as it just did it again.

19-Mar-2011 11:22:24 [SETI@home] Generated new computer cross-project ID: 108c07ee21c556766a547da596610153
19-Mar-2011 11:37:29 [SETI@home] Sending scheduler request: To fetch work.
19-Mar-2011 11:37:29 [SETI@home] Requesting new tasks
19-Mar-2011 11:37:34 [SETI@home] Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks
19-Mar-2011 11:37:34 [SETI@home] Message from server: Project has no tasks available
19-Mar-2011 11:37:34 [SETI@home] Generated new computer cross-project ID: 108c07ee21c556766a547da596610153


Gotta love computers when they start going crazy.
5366) Message boards : Number crunching : Oh, the irony... (Message 1088444)
Posted 19 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
As some of you may know, I am still running a dual P3 server and a dual Prestonia (P4) based server. Both are productive across different projects, even if a little slow.

It's interesting being at the balance-of-power point!

Until a few months ago I was running a Compaq Proliant server with 3 400MHz/1MB PII Xeons. A 10 day cache on that meant it had 6-8 tasks at a time.
5367) Message boards : Number crunching : Computer caught randomly generting new ID (Message 1088441)
Posted 19 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I know several other have seen this happen before but never noticed until some time afterward. Today I was looking at my list of computer & notice a new one at the bottom of the list that shouldn't have been there. Looks like after about 20 minutes after restarting it just decided to forget who it was. I have since merged the two, but thought someone might find this interesting.

I pulled this out of the stdoutdae.txt.

Before anyone asks BOINC is running under the Administrator account as that is the user logging in.

19-Mar-2011 10:32:22 [SETI@home] Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks
19-Mar-2011 10:32:22 [SETI@home] Message from server: Project has no tasks available
[03/19/11 10:36:55] TRACE [3068]: ***** Console Event Detected *****

[03/19/11 10:36:55] TRACE [3068]: Event: CTRL-LOGOFF Event

19-Mar-2011 10:36:56 [---] Exit requested by user
19-Mar-2011 11:01:38 [---] Starting BOINC client version 6.10.43 for windows_intelx86
19-Mar-2011 11:01:38 [---] log flags: sched_ops
19-Mar-2011 11:01:38 [---] Libraries: libcurl/7.19.7 OpenSSL/0.9.8l zlib/1.2.3
19-Mar-2011 11:01:38 [---] Data directory: R:\BOINC
19-Mar-2011 11:01:38 [---] Running under account Administrator
19-Mar-2011 11:01:38 [---] Processor: 2 GenuineIntel Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU         T7200  @ 2.00GHz [Family 6 Model 15 Stepping 6]
19-Mar-2011 11:01:38 [---] Processor: 4.00 MB cache
19-Mar-2011 11:01:38 [---] Processor features: fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss htt tm pni ssse3 cx16 nx lm vmx tm2 pbe
19-Mar-2011 11:01:38 [---] OS: Microsoft Windows XP: Professional x86 Edition, Service Pack 3, (05.01.2600.00)
19-Mar-2011 11:01:38 [---] Memory: 1.99 GB physical, 9.83 GB virtual
19-Mar-2011 11:01:38 [---] Disk: 98.00 MB total, 37.00 MB free
19-Mar-2011 11:01:38 [---] Local time is UTC -4 hours
19-Mar-2011 11:01:38 [---] No usable GPUs found
19-Mar-2011 11:01:38 [SETI@home] Found app_info.xml; using anonymous platform
19-Mar-2011 11:01:39 [SETI@home] URL http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/; Computer ID 5040879; resource share 100
19-Mar-2011 11:01:39 [SETI@home] General prefs: from SETI@home (last modified 08-Mar-2011 21:15:16)
19-Mar-2011 11:01:39 [SETI@home] Computer location: home
19-Mar-2011 11:01:39 [---] General prefs: using separate prefs for home
19-Mar-2011 11:01:39 [---] Reading preferences override file
19-Mar-2011 11:01:39 [---] Preferences:
19-Mar-2011 11:01:39 [---]    max memory usage when active: 2038.42MB
19-Mar-2011 11:01:39 [---]    max memory usage when idle: 2038.42MB
19-Mar-2011 11:01:39 [---]    max disk usage: 0.09GB
19-Mar-2011 11:01:39 [---]    (to change, visit the web site of an attached project,
19-Mar-2011 11:01:39 [---]    or click on Preferences)
19-Mar-2011 11:01:39 [---] Using proxy info from GUI
19-Mar-2011 11:01:39 [---] Not using a proxy
Initialization completed
19-Mar-2011 11:01:39 [SETI@home] Sending scheduler request: To fetch work.
19-Mar-2011 11:01:39 [SETI@home] Requesting new tasks
19-Mar-2011 11:01:44 [SETI@home] Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks
19-Mar-2011 11:01:44 [SETI@home] Message from server: Project has no tasks available
19-Mar-2011 11:06:49 [SETI@home] Sending scheduler request: To fetch work.
19-Mar-2011 11:06:49 [SETI@home] Requesting new tasks
19-Mar-2011 11:06:54 [SETI@home] Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks
19-Mar-2011 11:06:54 [SETI@home] Message from server: Project has no tasks available
19-Mar-2011 11:11:59 [SETI@home] Sending scheduler request: To fetch work.
19-Mar-2011 11:11:59 [SETI@home] Requesting new tasks
19-Mar-2011 11:12:04 [SETI@home] Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks
19-Mar-2011 11:12:04 [SETI@home] Message from server: Project has no tasks available
19-Mar-2011 11:17:09 [SETI@home] Sending scheduler request: To fetch work.
19-Mar-2011 11:17:09 [SETI@home] Requesting new tasks
19-Mar-2011 11:17:14 [SETI@home] Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks
19-Mar-2011 11:17:14 [SETI@home] Message from server: Project has no tasks available
19-Mar-2011 11:22:19 [SETI@home] Sending scheduler request: To fetch work.
19-Mar-2011 11:22:19 [SETI@home] Requesting new tasks
19-Mar-2011 11:22:24 [SETI@home] Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks
19-Mar-2011 11:22:24 [SETI@home] Message from server: Project has no tasks available
19-Mar-2011 11:22:24 [SETI@home] New computer location: 
19-Mar-2011 11:22:24 [SETI@home] General prefs: from SETI@home (last modified 08-Mar-2011 21:15:16)
19-Mar-2011 11:22:24 [SETI@home] Host location: none
19-Mar-2011 11:22:24 [SETI@home] General prefs: using your defaults
19-Mar-2011 11:22:24 [---] Reading preferences override file
19-Mar-2011 11:22:24 [---] Preferences:
19-Mar-2011 11:22:24 [---]    max memory usage when active: 2038.42MB
19-Mar-2011 11:22:24 [---]    max memory usage when idle: 2038.42MB
19-Mar-2011 11:22:24 [---]    max disk usage: 0.09GB
19-Mar-2011 11:22:24 [---]    (to change, visit the web site of an attached project,
19-Mar-2011 11:22:24 [---]    or click on Preferences)
19-Mar-2011 11:22:24 [SETI@home] Generated new computer cross-project ID: 108c07ee21c556766a547da596610153


Link to the current machine

I find it a bit odd that the created date is "19 Mar 2011 | 14:44:56 UTC" when at that time BOINC wasn't running. I am on EDT so UTC -4.
5368) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (45) Server problems (Message 1088335)
Posted 19 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Ruh roh......

Server status page has not updated for 4 hours, and the Crickets show outbound traffic dropped dead a couple of hours ago.


Should we start tasking bets on what crashed Friday at 5:20PM lab time?

Had we not changed to Daylight Saving Time it would have occurred at 4:20 and then we would know exactly what was going on. :P
5369) Message boards : Number crunching : tasks not in pending-credit-list (Message 1088328)
Posted 19 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Richard Haselgrove wrote:
...
$results = BoincResult::enum("userid=$user->id AND (validate_state=0 OR validate_state=4) AND claimed_credit > 0");

Userid is obvious
I doubt they've changed validate_state meanings
so I suspect they're not storing claimed_credit any longer (or storing 0)
...

Correct analysis, in changeset [trac]changeset:23118[/trac] the code to put a value for claimed_credit into the Result record was removed from sched_result.cpp .
                                                                   Joe

Would you happen to know if the plan is to completely depreciate the current list that shows pending tasks, or if there is some kind of change planned to give it a reason to be?
5370) Message boards : Number crunching : you have $1200 theoretically speaking (Message 1088274)
Posted 18 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
A few Super Micro X7SPA-H-D525 boards, 4GB ram, & GT 430 cards.
5371) Message boards : Number crunching : tasks not in pending-credit-list (Message 1088268)
Posted 18 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Oh dear. I'm always surprised how few computer users understand how a database works. -BeNt- thinks that we're looking at the output of a script (msg 1088168), and HAL9000 thinks it's its stored in a table (1085736).

In fact, all tasks are held in one big (giant) table: every user, every task - of the order of ten million plus of them. Every time you click on that link, you're asking Carolyn (or possibly Jocelyn) to look through all ten million lines, and find out:
a) which are mine,
b) which I've done,
c) and which are still pending.

It's called a query, the code is in http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/browser/trunk/boinc/html/user/pending.php (line 67), and it's very simple:

$results = BoincResult::enum("userid=$user->id AND (validate_state=0 OR validate_state=4) AND claimed_credit > 0");

Userid is obvious
I doubt they've changed validate_state meanings
so I suspect they're not storing claimed_credit any longer (or storing 0): we had a discussion recently about the disconnection between the old "claimed" credit based on flop-counting (used by the project until June 2010), and "CreditNew" used since then. Somebody's probably just turned off the last vestiges of the old system.

Yes for some reason I was thinking this data was stored in a separate table for some reason. From many postings from Matt it was clear that the user pending list was something intensive on the db. So they would sometimes shut it off after Tuesday maintenance until things recovered.

If no value is being saved for 'claimed_credit' any longer that makes sense as to why this is operating this way. However, I think it would have made more sense to disable the function instead of leaving it enabled, but that is a UI issue instead of functionality. So would go to the lower end of the task list.

I never found the pending credit value useful, but being able to view them all in one list, more than 20 at a time, is nice. Everything is still better then the S@H Classic days. When the web stats were generated once per day if we were lucky.
5372) Message boards : Number crunching : tasks not in pending-credit-list (Message 1088223)
Posted 18 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I would say this should be looked into, just in case WUs are really getting lost. Can someone please pass the word up the food chain?

Look at your task list, and filter it to 'pending' only.


Problem is, my task list is huge, as my RAC is roughly 45K/day. Looking through it would be a killer. I don't have a machine that (ideally) does a handfull of WUs/day. Didn't someone at the top of the thread report this "effect" from such a machine?


Since I am one of the little guys I took a look. I have 191 tasks pending through the task page while the pending credit page only lists 84 of them. The last unit on the pending credit page was reported March 8, 2011, at 12:34:55 UTC. The next one doesn't show up even though I have plenty of new work returned since.
I'm not overly concerned with it other than not knowing how much potential credit I have waiting which really doesn't amount to a hill of beans.
Dan


IMO: Hill of beans value > pending tasks value.
5373) Message boards : Number crunching : How do I get 2 cards to do wu (Message 1088217)
Posted 18 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Is your power supply big enough to run those two cards?

750 watts 60 amp single rail and both cards are running now boinc sees only 1 card but it saw 2 cards before it crashed. And was doing 4 cuda wu.


It was asked earlier, but I didn't see an answer. Are both cards displayed by the OS? If not the first step is to get everything working there.

You said the system crashed. If the crash involved the driver something might have gone wrong there. You may need to remove and then reinstall the driver package.
5374) Message boards : Number crunching : tasks not in pending-credit-list (Message 1088195)
Posted 18 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

Yes the author of the thread observed this as they do a limited amount of work. Which is actually a good thing. It probably would have taken a lot longer to find out what was actually occurring otherwise. As they currently have 11 pending tasks across 2 machines it is easy to see what is happening.

Knowing that the list is not getting new entries added you can look at the pending tasks on a machine. Then select anything that was done after the 8th. Then looking at your user pending list see that task has not been added to it.


Yeah all mine, as well as other, are appearing in the pending lists in tasks. I want a point estimate though! lol. Seems almost like someone forgot to turn on the script for it? It's still reading the database for the ones there but it isn't scanning on page load to generate a new view like it did before.


You don't always get what you want & you don't always want what you get.

Since new records are not being add, but validated tasks are being removed it could be several things. The main issues is that we are perceiving something as being broken. As there have been no statements either way I going to figure they are doing other things that have higher priority or they are cleaning up this table on the one server.
5375) Message boards : Number crunching : tasks not in pending-credit-list (Message 1088164)
Posted 18 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I would say this should be looked into, just in case WUs are really getting lost. Can someone please pass the word up the food chain?

Look at your task list, and filter it to 'pending' only.


Problem is, my task list is huge, as my RAC is roughly 45K/day. Looking through it would be a killer. I don't have a machine that (ideally) does a handful of WUs/day. Didn't someone at the top of the thread report this "effect" from such a machine?

Yes the author of the thread observed this as they do a limited amount of work. Which is actually a good thing. It probably would have taken a lot longer to find out what was actually occurring otherwise. As they currently have 11 pending tasks across 2 machines it is easy to see what is happening.

Knowing that the list is not getting new entries added you can look at the pending tasks on a machine. Then select anything that was done after the 8th. Then looking at your user pending list see that task has not been added to it.
5376) Message boards : Number crunching : tasks not in pending-credit-list (Message 1087769)
Posted 17 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Well a couple hours makes a difference as its now down to 4,500 seconds behind so the old girl must of got over her problem.

Cheers.

Sorry, the replica being behind the master does not seem to have anything to do with this problem.
Sten-Arne and others were seeing it before this last outage, when the replica was 0 seconds behind the master, and when the replica was off-line.

Something to do with how our account pages display Pending Credits is set wrong.


jravin's post I replied to was regarding missing credit for returned tasks. As I see mine are updating shortly after reporting complete tasks these seems to be all synced up, but the Pending Credit account view is still in the same state as after the 8th.

In the Tech News posts by Matt he has replied to other issues asked in those threads, but not the ones regarding the pending list. So at the moment I would guess that things might be working as expected or are being looked into right now. Could be that since everything was running off of the one server they want to get this down to 0 for everyone before switching back to the replica.
5377) Message boards : Number crunching : SETI@home v7 Beta is coming (Message 1087622)
Posted 17 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hopefully me machine that in enlisted in Beta will start working with the new App soon so it can be validated ASAP!
5378) Message boards : Number crunching : Anyone ever have to replace capacitors? (Message 1087615)
Posted 17 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Read this thread with interest, and was wondering if anyone had a suggestion as to what is considered the "best" capacitor right now, money no object (within reason, no weird Mil spec stuff from Area 51, etc). I remember reading about Asus bragging about the new style caps that they were using which were supposed to be so much better than the previous style, not sure which type they were. Is there such a this as Best, or does it depend on it's intended application - MB, vid card, etc? Thanks for the enlightenment!

The "Japanese Solid Capacitors" seems to be the latest "thing", but as far as long time reliability I don't know.
5379) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (45) Server problems (Message 1087613)
Posted 17 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Oh noes the upload server has been "disabled"! The world might end nao!</sillyness>
5380) Message boards : Number crunching : Super Computer on a desk. (Message 1087605)
Posted 17 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Currently testing an i7-2600K (Sandy Bridge), stock speed, stock cooler* & 50% CPU usage.
8 WU's running, it consumes 60watts less than my (very) old, similarly configured EE 3.4 P4, stock speed & 20% CPU usage, aftermarket cooler, running 2 WU's.
The i7 runs incredibly cool at those settings.
WU's complete much more quickly too!
* the i7 stock cooler looks puny but that's because the CPU is so efficient. Google a bit and you'll see how, on previous i7's, heatsinks got ridiculously big.
(I have no association with Intel other than as a retail customer.)

I originally upgraded my P4 for 2 reasons. I needed a newer GPU & I had the best AGP at the time & to lower my power consumption. My C2D & 4870 use quiet a bit less power then my P4 system did on average.
5381) Message boards : Number crunching : MultiBeam application for ATi GPUs released (Message 1087579)
Posted 16 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Normal & vlar's run around 50 min on my 4870, with vhar's running around 15 min. On the plus side an ATI card and run a vlar w/o choking on it.


Yes, ATI handles VLAR kind of workload better indeed.
When I tried OpenCL build on NV GPUs performance drop on VLARs was just huge.
On other ARs my GSO9600 little outperforms my HD4870 (again, both running OpenCL app, CUDA NV app still faster for NV GPUs for few known (and maybe some unknown ;D ) reasons).


Should be interesting to see how the upcoming OpenCL Intel GPU's do with the app.
5382) Message boards : Number crunching : MultiBeam application for ATi GPUs released (Message 1087568)
Posted 16 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Normal & vlar's run around 50 min on my 4870, with vhar's running around 15 min. On the plus side an ATI card and run a vlar w/o choking on it.
5383) Message boards : Number crunching : over 240 pending wu's - is this normal? (Message 1087561)
Posted 16 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
in my results there are over 240 work units pending validation; it's been this way for a few days. Is it a normal situation - are my wu's being paired with slow performers due to my recent re-entry to the program?

The more work you do the more pendings you will end up having. I seem to rack up about 3 to 4 times my RAC in pending credit.
5384) Message boards : Number crunching : tasks not in pending-credit-list (Message 1087560)
Posted 16 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
New data here:

After the power outage startup, my two machines reported in (Update button hit). #1 reported about 260 WUs; credits went up 34K immediately (a little high, but in the ballpark). #2 reported 350+ WUs, credit went up a thrilling ONE K, pendings didn't go up at all. It's been more than a few minutes now. So that means about 35-40K of RAC is not showing up.

What gives? And why from just one machine, and not both - or either...very inconsistent behavior I would say.


If all the stuff you reported wasn't processed before the system was brought down then it might have been be at the back of the queue. Right now "Replica seconds behind master 13,406." Until that is closer to 0 expecting things to be all synced up is just silly.
5385) Message boards : Number crunching : Super Computer on a desk. (Message 1087501)
Posted 16 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
You can easily spend as much configuring a workstation from Dell or HP.

Money spend just to run SETI@Home: $0
Money spent in the past 2 years for computers/parts that happen to be running SETI@Home ~$1600.

If you want some serious computing in a small footprint for a lot of money you should look at the SuperBlades from Super Micro. The blade chassis start at about $3500. The blades w/o cpu's, ram or video are around $1000 each. Then throw in 20 Xeons & 20 Teslas to really make your wallet melt.
5386) Message boards : Number crunching : Anyone ever have to replace capacitors? (Message 1087392)
Posted 15 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
It should be interesting to see how the "solid capacitors" hold up on newer boards.
5387) Message boards : Number crunching : Anyone ever have to replace capacitors? (Message 1087256)
Posted 15 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Normally I would agree.. but four years seems a little short for a motherboard's lifespan. I mean, I have a Socket A board that I bought in 2002 and used for crunching for five years, and it is still going strong today (not crunching).

This rig is scheduled to be succeeded once a decent selection of Bulldozer hardware is out. It will continue on with crunching and being a part of my network, but as a NAS (probably 15 2tb disks in a raid6 + hot spare). I just need it to be a reliable main rig until then. Built it to keep up with everything I ask it to do for five years, and it is still doing it beautifully..only 7 months to go.


With 4 machines at home I sorta do about a 4-5 year upgrade cycle. So about 1 a year that way. :D Right now I'm trying to decide if I should retire my mobile C2D machine as I made it way back in 2007. By upgrading it with an Atom into a NAS with 6HDs, or trying to find some sort of PCIe x1 RAID controller that has more than 4 ports for it. Then next year upgrade my main system from a C2D to whatever ivy bridge turns out to be, or maybe Haswell/rockwell stuff.
5388) Message boards : Number crunching : AVX Extensions - Ongoing development? (Message 1087250)
Posted 15 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
You've missed off my mil-spec spiky hair!


LoL. Missed out Richard's beard as well, so don't worry, your do will be on the long term chart.

See, spec. changes already! lol

I'm sure you guys will bang out some good stuff as always.
5389) Message boards : Number crunching : Anyone ever have to replace capacitors? (Message 1087181)
Posted 14 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
On an old slot1 board I was overclocking to the Nth degree. I had one of the electrolytics explode & shoot acidic paper all over the place. That was a fun mess to clean up... I ended up soldering wires to the remains of the cap leads and locating the new cap elsewhere.

ROFL, I love the eerie silence as you stare around at the feathery floaties. And the smell :P

It will be fine as long as you get all of the smoke back in! Wait... some just went out the window :(
5390) Message boards : Number crunching : ATI GPU (Message 1087178)
Posted 14 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Looking at his results, no ATI card is used only the CPU,
tasks done by CPU.


They want to stop BONC requesting work for the GPU. Which can be very annoying to look at in the logs if you do not want to do GPU processing and see 500 lines of "Requesting work for GPU". Unless you tell the client to ignore the GPU it does like to keep making those requests.
5391) Message boards : Number crunching : Anyone ever have to replace capacitors? (Message 1087173)
Posted 14 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
On an old slot1 board I was overclocking to the Nth degree. I had one of the electrolytics explode & shoot acidic paper all over the place. That was a fun mess to clean up... I ended up soldering wires to the remains of the cap leads and locating the new cap elsewhere.
5392) Message boards : Number crunching : My HD4870 GPU burned (Message 1087138)
Posted 14 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Odd my Sapphire 4870 is different design. With blue PCB & black heat sink. As seen here. PCB seems to be about 240cm/9.5in long & main heat sink is in contact with memory. Under plastic shroud the voltage regulators have separate heat sinks & get air forced on to them by fan in center. Which blows air out both ends of card.

I bought mine in June 2009. Hopefully this is an improved design if your card failed due to bad design.
5393) Message boards : Number crunching : ATI GPU (Message 1087130)
Posted 14 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Use the CC_config.xml option
<no_gpus>1</no_gpus>
This will tell BOINC to ignore all of your GPUs, or use <ignore_ati_dev>N</ignore_ati_dev> for the GPU you want to disable if you have an NVIDIA in the machine you want to keep using.
5394) Message boards : Number crunching : computation error's on SETI WU when adobe flash crashes in browser (Message 1087126)
Posted 14 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I haven't seen this issue with my 4870. I'm using the 11-2 driver, Flash 10.2.152.32, but only Firefox 3.6.13. With my 5750 I will get artifacts while watching movies while processing with the GPU. So I don't do that with that system now.
5395) Message boards : Number crunching : AVX Extensions - Ongoing development? (Message 1086733)
Posted 13 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hmmm, so that means it will be a few more days then :-)


Phew...thankfully that i did not say that... ;-)


Helli



Hmmm, so that means it will be a few more days then? Should we send more coffee? :-)


Right now a cloning device would be more appreciated.


Sorry, the cloning device never got out of alpha testing. Currently it is turning everyone into clowns. There seems to have been a typo in the design specs. :)
5396) Message boards : Number crunching : Question (Message 1086688)
Posted 13 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Maybe there is a server side option to give priority to idle processors instead of those just trying to fill their queue.
5397) Message boards : Number crunching : Question (Message 1086677)
Posted 13 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Mine says

3/13/2011 4:23:32 AM	SETI@home	[sched_op_debug] CPU work request: 0.00 seconds; 0.00 idle CPUs
3/13/2011 4:23:32 AM	SETI@home	[sched_op_debug] ATI GPU work request: 0.00 seconds; 0.00 idle GPUs

But I'm running 6.10.43. Maybe they shortened the message in the newer versions.
5398) Message boards : Number crunching : GTX 295 Driver Hell (Message 1086510)
Posted 12 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
There were some other files with similar naming convention that were in the toolkit. Just being lazy, I copied them all over to the project directory. Now I'm thinking the DLLs might be dependent on one of them. I will take all of the 32-Bit versions, zip them and post them shortly. Perhaps this is the reason it is working for me and not others.

*Edit: Cancel that, works fine without them.

Try reinstalling Lunatics with Astropulse off, CUDA on, and SETI set to the x32 SSE (Faster on AMD) option on. If you are running Intel, this is suboptimal, but testing it will help us understand why this is failing. Also, I dont think it will amount to a significant performance decrease.


That is the configuration I use on the machine that has a CUDA card at work. Did the process a few times just to be sure. I even tried one go with just CUDA enabled & no CPU processing. Was no go for me.
5399) Message boards : Technical News : Rubicon (Mar 09 2011) (Message 1086476)
Posted 12 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
OK... I feel a bit silly now. Found out how my computer was turning itself off. Well it wasn't the computer, it was my cat, "Pharaoh." He's a monster of a cat and he likes to lay on my computer desk. Seems he took a liking to the pretty blue light on my computer tower. The hard drive light is directly under the blue light, and when the hard drive light flickered, Pharaoh started swatting at it with his paw.. (Very BIG paw.) His paw hit the pretty blue light, and THAT is the main power switch, and BOOM. Computer shut down. GOOD GRIEF !! I was cleaning this computer ALL day, and then, after getting it all back together, watched the cat jump up on the desk, lay down, and start swatting at the switch. So, thanks for all your suggestions, and the use of the, "TOOLS" :).... but I guess I won't need them now. Any ideas as to how to teach this cat how to turn the computer back on after he shuts it off ?:)

The default behavior for windows is to shutdown when the power switch is pressed. You can easily change it to "Ask me what to do" or "Do nothing". For XP it's Power Options in the Control Panel and then the advanced tab. I always set mine to "Do nothing".
5400) Message boards : Number crunching : Does GPU-hunting do any good? (Message 1086349)
Posted 12 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

I was using the numbers from wikipedia & gpureview.


Very interesting... no, I was using the numbers from the card manufacturer's websites which agree with the numbers at one of the spec comparing websites.

Ahhhhh, I think I seeeeee. Things that make you go, "hmmmmmm."

Looks like obfuscation to me.

Bret

EDIT - just went out to GPUreview and looked-up the two cards in the tables.

The 9800 is listed as 600 / 900 / 256, the 240 is listed as 550 /790 / 128. Both using DDR3.

The Wiki table seems suspect since GPUreview and the manufacture's numbers agree.

Bret

I was looking at the speeds for the GDDR5 card before, but I see what is going on here. Some of the card makers clock the cards down a bit. Probably so smaller/quieter cooling solutions can be used. According to Nvidia The memory speeds should be 1700 MHz GDDR5, 1000MHz GDDR3, or 900MHz DDR3. I hadn't realized they did that & since I am going to be getting some cards for machines at work soon I'm glad I now know this.
5401) Message boards : Number crunching : Does GPU-hunting do any good? (Message 1086313)
Posted 12 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Based on the GT 240's memory clock of 1700MHz vs the 9800 GT's memory clock of 900MHz. I can see why the 240 would produce more work than the 9800. I'd guesstimate that on average the 240 would be 23.5% faster.


I'm not seeing these numbers.

I'm seeing the GT 240's clock is 1580 (128-bit)(64x2) and the 9800's is 1800 (256-bit)(64x4).

I don't doubt what you are saying, but I don't know where your figures are coming-from.

Bret


I was using the numbers from wikipedia & gpureview. Are you using GPUz for the numbers you are seeing? 1580MHz is what the GT 220 runs at. You should see 3400MHz for the GT 240 with it's memory clock at 1700MHz. For the 9800GT 1800MHz with the memory clock at 900MHz is what I would expect to see.
5402) Message boards : Number crunching : Does GPU-hunting do any good? (Message 1086251)
Posted 12 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have two machines that run 4 GT240s each, one with XP64, the other Vista 64, The XP machine definitely produces more work on the vid cards, and also the CPU, despite the fact that XP has 2 2352s (2.1GHz) and Vista 2 2356s (2.3Ghz). So I believe the OS is the major contributor to what you are seeing. Vista simply has a lot more overhead than XP.

As suggested above, try swapping the vid cards and see what happens.

I used XP, Vista, & Windows 7 in both x86 & x64 platforms on the same machine and didn't see any different in performance. However, I was using the 191.07 driver at the time I did the comparison. The newer drivers might be more efficient now. I have the newest one setup to cook over the weekend.
5403) Message boards : Number crunching : Does GPU-hunting do any good? (Message 1086239)
Posted 12 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Based on the GT 240's memory clock of 1700MHz vs the 9800 GT's memory clock of 900MHz. I can see why the 240 would produce more work than the 9800. I'd guesstimate that on average the 240 would be 23.5% faster.
5404) Message boards : Number crunching : GTX 295 Driver Hell (Message 1086217)
Posted 11 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I played around with the new driver & dll's at work for a while today. Sadly no joy on the ole 8500 GT. As I was in Win7 x64 I played around with the x64 & x86 dlls. Same results either way. After 49 seconds in, splat. Since I was messing about with drivers I did take the time to upgrade to the CUDA 3.0 App tho. As I was still running the 2.0 one.
5405) Message boards : Number crunching : SETI@home v7 Beta is coming (Message 1086215)
Posted 11 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Are we going to have to rerun all the WU because Seti is introducing a new search test to the WUs. If so it means we will not run out of work for years.

Then we shall need faster computers & lots more of them! *insert manic laugh here*
5406) Message boards : Number crunching : MultiBeam application for ATi GPUs released (Message 1086203)
Posted 11 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I finally got around to getting the MB app on one of my machines at home with a 4870. I used the 11-2 release, upgrading from 9-6 or such, & everything seems to be going along fine at the moment. Tasks are validating & no errors in any of the pending tasks as of yet.

Seems to run typically 89-95% GPU usage according to CCC. With the temp staying low enough the fan only runs around 40% speed. So it is sufficiently quiet.


LoL, you mirroring my own setup then :D

Well I have had this setup for about 2 years now.... might be time to upgrade soon. My HTPC & notebook are both newer than my "main" computer now. :/
5407) Message boards : Number crunching : MultiBeam application for ATi GPUs released (Message 1086161)
Posted 11 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I finally got around to getting the MB app on one of my machines at home with a 4870. I used the 11-2 release, upgrading from 9-6 or such, & everything seems to be going along fine at the moment. Tasks are validating & no errors in any of the pending tasks as of yet.

Seems to run typically 89-95% GPU usage according to CCC. With the temp staying low enough the fan only runs around 40% speed. So it is sufficiently quiet.
5408) Message boards : Number crunching : Multi core greater than 80 core (Message 1086074)
Posted 11 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I raised the issue of 160 cores on the BOINC Alpha mailing list. It appears that due to the way Windows handles things when it has more than 64 cpus, BOINC doesn't quite work.

To quote David's email on the list:
It turns out Windows' support for >64 cores is funky, as usual. A host's cores are divided into "processor groups" of at most 64 each (presumably because of 64-bit bitmaps for affinity etc.). Calls like GetSystemInfo() return info only about the calling process's processor group.

Supporting > 64 cores on windows will involve:

1) enumerating the processor groups and adding up the
# of cores in each group
(Rom, please look into this)

2) The client will need to keep track of which processor group
each task is running in, and explicitly set the group for new tasks.

In addition, if parallel applications want to use > 64 cores, they will have to do something similar when creating threads.


There was a follow up email suggesting a work around for the GetSystemInfo(), well thats what I interpreted it to be.

No word as to what version of the BOINC client might support this, but at least they know what needs to be done.


Have they looked into GetNativeSystemInfo() to see if it has the same limitation they are currently seeing with GetSystemInfo()?
5409) Message boards : Number crunching : Script for disabling/enabling GPUs on the fly (Message 1086073)
Posted 11 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
This is an interesting idea. If I had more than 1 GPU to process with I would probably use it a lot. As there are often times I have to suspend GPU processing for stuff. An OS task could be created to run with reenabling all GPUs when the system has been idel for a long enough period.

Wouldn't it be more efficient to use "boinccmd.exe --read_cc_config" instead of restarting BOINC?
5410) Message boards : Technical News : Rubicon (Mar 09 2011) (Message 1085986)
Posted 11 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thanks for the update Matt.

This might be expected right now. Several people have noticed that the user pending tasks list, http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/pending.php, isn't getting any entries added to it, but validated tasks are being removed. Pending tasks for each machine do seem to be working correctly.

Figured I'd pop that in if you guys didn't already know.

As always keep up the great stuff.
5411) Message boards : Number crunching : GTX 295 Driver Hell (Message 1085983)
Posted 11 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Here are the final links...

https://s3.amazonaws.com/CC_Misc/cudart32_40_10.dll
https://s3.amazonaws.com/CC_Misc/cudart64_40_10.dll
https://s3.amazonaws.com/CC_Misc/cufft32_40_10.dll
https://s3.amazonaws.com/CC_Misc/cufft64_40_10.dll

https://s3.amazonaws.com/CC_Misc/libfftw3f-3.dll

Remember to update your app_info.xml!


Thanks for the links. I'll see about giving it a go at work tomorrow.
5412) Message boards : Number crunching : Multi core greater than 80 core (Message 1085924)
Posted 11 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Did you install as a service on the machine?



Nope. installed Lunatics_Win64v0.37_(SSE3+)_AP505r409_AKv8bx64_Cuda normally


arkayn was asking if BOINC was installed as a service.
5413) Message boards : Number crunching : Multi core greater than 80 core (Message 1085922)
Posted 11 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

What kind of "3 NVIDIA GPU's" (are they CUDA capable?)

Post the first ~20 lines of BOINC messages (after BOINC restart)



NVIDIA FX 1800 X2
Nvidia FX 3800

I did tick the CUDA setting, perhaps that was a mistake?


To do the GPU processing you also need to have the right driver installed to work with the cuda app. I think the unified installer lists the version you need to have, or it is listed in their download area. GPU processing isn't as cut & dry as we would all like.
For a while you had to have a monitor connected to each card or use a dummy plug to get BOINC to use the GPUs. I don't know if that is still true with the newest version.
5414) Message boards : Number crunching : tasks not in pending-credit-list (Message 1085810)
Posted 10 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Yup, old pendings are disappearing normally when validated by wingman, but no new pendings are added.

Something's broken. However there's no panic here, they'll fix it in due time. I'll panic if it ain't fixed by the end of 2020 though.


I'm not wound up as tightly as you. I am going to give them until 2042 at least. Unless I change my mind & choose a further date later.
5415) Message boards : Number crunching : Previously Processed Data Sets (Message 1085807)
Posted 10 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I think there have been a few times where we have re-split old tapes to be processed a second time, but it was due to some issue with the database, or validation.

Though, I do also remember an occurrence of there being a "hole" in the database because of a few bad tapes/validations and we were told that it would just be a hole and we're not going to fill it.

That's not to say that we can't run a new tape that pointed in the same exact spot in the sky, but since it won't be from the same period in time, it's not the same as running "old data".



I say we reprocess all of the S@H classic data!
5416) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (45) Server problems (Message 1085805)
Posted 10 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Splitting stopped...


I'll panic in 10 days when my caches are empty. Until then I have plenty of work to crunch.


Looks like you were getting prepared to worry for nothing. Someone went & feed it some more tapes.
5417) Message boards : Number crunching : Multi core greater than 80 core (Message 1085800)
Posted 10 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Superdome 2 is SCALING!! 99%

X64 160 LP box is also at 90%!!!! 5 to 10 percent more would be awesome if anyone has ideas.

this is getting easier now that I am starting to understand what you guys are talking about and understanding the tool.

Thanks everyone!

I think tomorrow I might throw some nasty GPU's in the X64 160 LP box and see what happens. My new memory risers will also me in which will help performance.


"I am starting to understand": Congratulations! You are the first ;)

AFAIK no one have experience running BOINC/SETI on so big number of CPUs,
you are exploring uncharted territories.


P.S.
I see you are using SSE3 app but I think your CPU
Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E7- 2870 @ 2.40GHz
supports SSSE3
http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Xeon/Intel-Xeon%20E7-2870%20AT80615007266AA.html

Rerun the Lunatics' Unified Installer and choose SSSE3 for faster/fastest app.




Ahh on the X64 side, good catch. How exactly do I rerun the Lunatics' Unified Installer? Thanks in advance


Double click "Lunatics_Win64v0.37_(SSE3+)_AP505r409_AKv8bx64_Cudax32f.exe" or whichever version you have. :)
5418) Message boards : Number crunching : GTX 295 Driver Hell (Message 1085783)
Posted 10 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
cufft and cudart are both libraries referenced by the SETI application. They are part of the CUDA toolkit and used by SETI for GPU tasks. nVidia just released the CUDA 4.0 toolkit to registered developers. Within this toolkit are new cudart and cufft files. You can copy them into your seti program folder (c:\ProgramData\BOINC\projects\setiathome.berkeley.edu\ on a windows 7 box) then edit the app_info.xml file and change the exact name of the files to match.


Have they provided a d/l for non registered devs yet?
5419) Message boards : Number crunching : tasks not in pending-credit-list (Message 1085736)
Posted 10 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Likewise. The last item in my overall 'pending credit' list was returned at 8 Mar 2011 | 17:20:18 UTC, but the 'pending' filter on my main task list shows another 250 since then. Maybe 'pending' was left pointing to the wrong copy of the database when they switched the replica (Jocelyn) back on?


That does seem quite plausible. The only thing that makes me think otherwise is that records are being deleted but not added. Could be a snafu in the table not allowing new entries. I'm not sure if MySQL allows for that sort of state on a table though.
5420) Message boards : Number crunching : tasks not in pending-credit-list (Message 1085726)
Posted 10 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I did some looking at my pendings, which there are about 1100. It looks like the last time it was updated was March 8th just before things went down for weekly maintenance.
5421) Message boards : Number crunching : tasks not in pending-credit-list (Message 1085720)
Posted 10 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Actually guys on close inspection, I'm seeing the same :)

page 'pending credit' linked from account page - 7 tasks.
all tasks -> pending tasks shows 9 entries.

the newest ones, reported three hours ago (and just now) haven't made the 'pending credit' list yet. (btw the pending credit page still shows credit claimed *giggle*)

status page snapshot 15 min ago shows replica as 0 as of 0m - can't be due to the replica not up to date.

Maybe pending credit runs from a script that doesn't run so often? It can be disabled after all.


I think someone once said that it is generated whenever you go to that page. Hence the reason they disable it sometimes when the db needs all the grunt it can muster. With the new server they might not have to disable it any longer.

It could also be that the task has been validated & the display of pendings on the machine view is old.
5422) Message boards : Number crunching : tasks not in pending-credit-list (Message 1085586)
Posted 10 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
hi!


Why are not all pending tasks in the pending-credit-list?

The tasks with the ID 708281634, 708281623, 708150587, 708125455 are displayed in "all tasks for computer 5844822" and are still pending, but they are not in my pending-credit-list.


Paul


Replica seconds behind master 50,277

It is catching up pretty quick. So things should be semi normal in the next 12-24 hours.
5423) Message boards : Number crunching : Largest single system to SCALE SETI? (Message 1085583)
Posted 10 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Well running Seti@Home blows the purpose of that server out of the water, "high availability" lol.


Currently they are highly available to run S@H it would seem.
5424) Message boards : Number crunching : avoid hyper-threading (Message 1085580)
Posted 10 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
If thats the only option, it sucks.
Because the cpu-load is at exactly 50% with that but fluctuatingly spread to both cores.

I just compared the two situations on my main notebook... it is indeed the same... <ncpus>1</ncpus> results in the same taskmanager-graph then suspending manually all the WUs except for one.

During the next days I will try both <ncpus>1</ncpus> and manually suspending the WUs over a long period of time on my EEE-PC and see what RAC it does.
Somehow they
http://www.planet3dnow.de/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=344734&garpg=8
have done it...


That article seems to only be about running 1 tasks at a time on the atom. I didn't see anything about them locking the application to one cpu.

In their test where they ran 2 tasks at once vs one after another they didn't consider the long term effects. Using their numbers I'll expand on what they did a little.

If CPU 0 always runs about 200 minutes per task & CPU 1 always runs about 300 minutes per task. Then after 600 seconds you would have 5 tasks complete (3 at 200 minutes and 2 at 300 minutes).

If running tasks one at a time & they always take about 150 minutes. Then after 600 minutes you would only have 4 tasks complete.

So Hyper Threading would get more work done over time. Which is often, but not always the situation. Better analysis would require running the same tasks both ways, as they did, but using more tasks. I normally use 12-24 hours of tasks when I do that kind of testing.

Actually if you think about it this way it's likely better to run each core at 50%.
The physical core is the work horse while the virtual core is a cart.

The physical core handles the workload while the virtual core handles the simple stuff which in the end give you better user responsiveness from the unit.

If you lock the w/u to the physical core then the system will likely be very sluggish while locking the w/u to the virtual core will likely result in very slow completion times.

With hyper-threading turned off you will likely still wind up with a slow responding setup but not fully using what the CPU is capable of.

Now that's just my very simple way of explaining things but it's what I found out with P4's with it.

Cheers.


Man, I remember all the testing back in the S@H Classic days when HT was introduced in the P4's. There were also people doing test running 2 tasks on CPUs that did not have HT.
5425) Message boards : Number crunching : avoid hyper-threading (Message 1085573)
Posted 10 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
You can bring up the Task Manager and go to the Processes tab, right-click on the program and choose 'Set Affinity ...' and select which processors you want that process to use. I don't know if you'd have to do that for every wu or not.


Thats so strange!
I did it:
When only one WU is running and I assign it only to Core-1, Core-1 is at 100% and Core-2 at 0%; the overall CPU-load is at exactly 50%.
When I assign that WU to both Cores, it is fluctuating (Core-1 20%, Core-2 30%); but the overall-CPU-load is again at exactly 50%.
not one percent more!

strange!
I think internally it is still only one core, but the task manager is displaying it differently and messed up.


That is how it is suppose to work. That functionally has been in there since at least Windows NT 4.0 around 15 some years ago.
5426) Message boards : Number crunching : avoid hyper-threading (Message 1085572)
Posted 10 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
If thats the only option, it sucks.
Because the cpu-load is at exactly 50% with that but fluctuatingly spread to both cores.

I just compared the two situations on my main notebook... it is indeed the same... <ncpus>1</ncpus> results in the same taskmanager-graph then suspending manually all the WUs except for one.

During the next days I will try both <ncpus>1</ncpus> and manually suspending the WUs over a long period of time on my EEE-PC and see what RAC it does.
Somehow they
http://www.planet3dnow.de/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=344734&garpg=8
have done it...


That article seems to only be about running 1 tasks at a time on the atom. I didn't see anything about them locking the application to one cpu.

In their test where they ran 2 tasks at once vs one after another they didn't consider the long term effects. Using their numbers I'll expand on what they did a little.

If CPU 0 always runs about 200 minutes per task & CPU 1 always runs about 300 minutes per task. Then after 600 seconds you would have 5 tasks complete (3 at 200 minutes and 2 at 300 minutes).

If running tasks one at a time & they always take about 150 minutes. Then after 600 minutes you would only have 4 tasks complete.

So Hyper Threading would get more work done over time. Which is often, but not always the situation. Better analysis would require running the same tasks both ways, as they did, but using more tasks. I normally use 12-24 hours of tasks when I do that kind of testing.
5427) Message boards : Number crunching : avoid hyper-threading (Message 1085556)
Posted 10 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Very few OSs allow you to bind an app to a specific CPU, which is what you appear to want to do. I don't know what flavors of Windows allow this, if any.

Maybe thats the next step.
What i want right now is to just run one WU at a time.
I can achieve that with suspending all WUs manually except for one, but a automatic solution would be nice :)

Forget the OS-resources-hyperthreading-issue for the moment^^


See here.
5428) Message boards : Number crunching : Largest single system to SCALE SETI? (Message 1085552)
Posted 10 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
ROFL
Whats the power-consumption?
and what about RAC?



Forgive my ignorance.

I have been a member since 1999 but have not gotten to deep with it. Please explain RAC?

Yes it uses 2 60AMP three phase. The connector looks like its getting jet fuel.



Ok I found out about RAC. The record seems to be 98,293.51. Is this for a 24 hour period?


RAC is sort of a rolling average. Normally it takes about 2 weeks for RAC to start stabling. If ther are no major problems in the server side of things.
5429) Message boards : Number crunching : Largest single system to SCALE SETI? (Message 1085541)
Posted 10 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
ROFL
Whats the power-consumption?
and what about RAC?


I'm guessing it is close to 1.21 jigawatts.
5430) Message boards : Number crunching : Multi core greater than 80 core (Message 1085536)
Posted 10 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Superdome 2 is SCALING!! 99%

X64 160 LP box is also at 90%!!!! 5 to 10 percent more would be awesome if anyone has ideas.

this is getting easier now that I am starting to understand what you guys are talking about and understanding the tool.

Thanks everyone!

I think tomorrow I might throw some nasty GPU's in the X64 160 LP box and see what happens. My new memory risers will also me in which will help performance.



For the X64 160 LP box did you use <ncpus>160</ncpus> or a lower value?

5431) Message boards : Number crunching : avoid hyper-threading (Message 1085527)
Posted 10 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
hi!

When I first started with seti@home, my problem was that only one Core of my Core2Duo-processor was used: one core was at 100% and the other at 0%.
With editing my computer prefereces on the web-interface i could change that.
At "on multiprocessors, use at most __ processors" I entered 99 and from then on both cores were at 100%.

I am running seti@home now on my Netbook too which has a Intel-Atom-Processor. The Processor has only one core, but it emulates two via hyper-threading.
But because the atom is a in-order-processor, the computation of the WUs is slower with emulated cores.
So my netbook should only use only one core/cpu/thread/whatever.

So I assigned the netbook to the "seperate prefences for work" and changed in the work-preferences "on multiprocessors, use at most 1 processors".
But it havnt had any influence. I clicked on "update", i restartet the client, i restartet the computer... no effect
It is running still two WUs and both emulated cores are at 100%.

Then I created a global_prefs_override.xml with <max_cpus>1</max_cpus>.
Now the CPU-usage was at 50%.
But one core was at around 30% and the other at 20%, but both were fluctuating a lot.

Independently from my actual problem i want that only one core is used and the other one is completely unused.
How can I achieve that?
Maybe that already means that the atom-processor "forgets" his emulating and uses the entire physical CPU for boinc.

But maybe he operates then at just 50%.

How can I tell the system to just compute one WU at a time?
I could suspend all the other WUs manually, but thats only a temporary solution.


Paul


I think to do what you want you have to assign the processor affinity manually to only use a specific cpu. In this case 0 or 1. a single threaded app normally will bound around cpu's like that depending on the OS. :/
5432) Message boards : Number crunching : Multi core greater than 80 core (Message 1085522)
Posted 10 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

If BOINC is using GetSystemInfo() function to find the number of logical processors in the computer
I think BOINC will see no more than 64 CPUs.

I hope the workaround will be to set in cc_config.xml
   <options>
      <ncpus>160</ncpus>
   </options>


(this was proposed already in the second post in this thread)

I'm not sure will the 160 running tasks be properly assigned to different logical CPUs or will run in just a group of 64 CPUs.



That just tells BOINC to run that number of instances of the science app IIRC. Windows SHOULD take care of assigning resources correctly.

EDIT: ncpus defiantly works
3/9/2011 8:24:57 PM Processor: 256 GenuineIntel Intel(R) Core(TM) i7 CPU 860 @ 2.80GHz [Family 6 Model 30 Stepping 5]
Also if you do not have 256 cpu's make sure you suspend running work before setting that & running BOINC. As trying to run 16 threads per cpu on a wee i7 with only 4GB of ram isn't a good thing. lol
3/9/2011 8:29:23 PM Number of usable CPUs has changed from 256 to 8. Running benchmarks. Phew!



I did just fire up with Superdome 2. Which is 64 socket and 256LP IA-64. I am running about 12% resources and its not scaling so far like the smaller 4 socket.


[ img ]http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg287/bryananddaun/superdome2.jpg[ /img ]


Can you try <ncpus>128</ncpus> in a cc_config.xml and see if it uses 128 of the processors? I have a feeling that there might be limits set per user on the servers you are using.
5433) Message boards : Number crunching : Multi core greater than 80 core (Message 1085509)
Posted 10 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

If BOINC is using GetSystemInfo() function to find the number of logical processors in the computer
I think BOINC will see no more than 64 CPUs.

I hope the workaround will be to set in cc_config.xml
   <options>
      <ncpus>160</ncpus>
   </options>


(this was proposed already in the second post in this thread)

I'm not sure will the 160 running tasks be properly assigned to different logical CPUs or will run in just a group of 64 CPUs.



That just tells BOINC to run that number of instances of the science app IIRC. Windows SHOULD take care of assigning resources correctly.

EDIT: ncpus defiantly works
3/9/2011 8:24:57 PM Processor: 256 GenuineIntel Intel(R) Core(TM) i7 CPU 860 @ 2.80GHz [Family 6 Model 30 Stepping 5]
Also if you do not have 256 cpu's make sure you suspend running work before setting that & running BOINC. As trying to run 16 threads per cpu on a wee i7 with only 4GB of ram isn't a good thing. lol
3/9/2011 8:29:23 PM Number of usable CPUs has changed from 256 to 8. Running benchmarks. Phew!
5434) Message boards : Number crunching : Strange result, how is this possible? (Message 1085324)
Posted 9 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I suppose the "fix" for this would be to do more checking on the validation side. Right now I am guessing that informational messages are not read during validation. So the process would have to spend more time looking at the results.

During the check if it were to find the -9 message in only one of the two results require another result without the message.

However, this will not correct the issue of two GPU's with -9 validating.

Requiring -9 GPU tasks to be validated against a CPU would work server side, but not always. As tasks can be reassigned on the client & the server records them as the type they were sent out as.
5435) Message boards : Number crunching : Multi core greater than 80 core (Message 1085315)
Posted 9 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

Try to set:
On multiprocessors, use at most 50% of the processors

to see what happens (will BOINC use 80 or 30?)




i set this, suspended then update, then resume. Prior I was up to 37% with 40 of my CPU's pegged. The setting didnt seem to change anything. I am certain without memory in the lower tray attached to the second 4 sockets is the reason why the other processors wont register. Ill find out in a few hours when I get in.


Last night the system was displaying 40 processors, now it is at 60. Did setting to 50% increase the processor count for BOINC & are you saying you had it set to 37% before?

In Datacenter there are settings to limit CPU & memory resources per application. As you are running Enterprise I would guess it might have the same feature set? I'm not sure what the defaults are, but you might be running into that.
5436) Message boards : Number crunching : Multi core greater than 80 core (Message 1085304)
Posted 9 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Whoa! A 10-Core CPU! With HyperThreading and 30MB L3 Cache. And then eight of them...
To bad that BOINC only supports 60 Cores. LOL

Maybe in a future Version of BOINC....


Helli



I disagree. This machine is using 64. So 60 doesn't seem to be a limit at least for BOINC 6.10.58.
5437) Message boards : Number crunching : Timings all out of whack (Message 1085302)
Posted 9 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
On several machines I have seen tasks come in with with way to short est completion times (9mins est & 3hrs actual) or way to high (40hrs & 3hrs actual). When that happens the tasks that are already in the queue are still at their normal est times. Then once work starts on these new tasks everything starts going bonkers.

My i3 notebook was running fine with a 3 day cache for a few days. Then it got a bunch of tasks that were est of 9 min, while all the other tasks in the queue were still in the 2-3 hour range. Then once it started working on those 9 min tasks, that actually took 2-3 hours, all of the other tasks got their est time moved way up.

On a machine at work tasks were coming in with est of 35-40hr & completing in its normal 3-4 hour time frame. The DCF value was within a normal range as well.
5438) Message boards : Number crunching : Multi core greater than 80 core (Message 1085231)
Posted 9 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
thanks,I checked and I am set already to 256 CPU's. I think I found part of the issue in which 64 GB memory had been removed from my lower tray. I had no idea. LOL I guess that makes sence since each processor in this archicture needs memory to move data. I will reconfig in the morning and see if that helps.

I can go up to 2tb in memory but I am not sure if this app can handle it. I think I will add some GPU's in the mix as well since it seems to like those. Anyone running large config hardware please advise. I will be going well beyond 320LP's very soon.

PS: Any Windows IA-64 binaries out there? If so I could love to try this on my superdome 256 proc.

Thanks

Bry


See the Lunatics "Alternate hardware platforms" section in their downloads area.
5439) Message boards : Number crunching : Multi core greater than 80 core (Message 1085227)
Posted 9 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I'm guessing that it is computer 5847405 as it shows only 40 CPU's. You might need to edit your account setting "On multiprocessors, use at most nn processors". I set the value to 256 so I wouldn't ever have a problem. As I have seem systems listed on the stats with 64 CPU's I don't think it should be to hard to get BOINC to see & use them all.

Edit: Todd Hebert has a 64 CPU, or at least 64 thread, server running. So if there is something besides the value I suggested I am sure he knows it.

Upon further though you might have to use the <ncpus>N</ncpus> in the cc_config.xml file.
5440) Message boards : Number crunching : Computering bits free to good home (Message 1085196)
Posted 9 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I wouldn't mind that Athlon 64 4000+ S939 chip for my museum. :) But I'm in IL so I can't pick it up. :(


It's OK I'll hold it up to the monitor so you can grab it.... wait we don't have that tech yet. :(
5441) Message boards : Number crunching : Computering bits free to good home (Message 1085190)
Posted 9 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
This is spooky... I've been looking around for a 2940UW for the past three days..

I'd gladly take it off your hands but international shipping would have to be arranged as I live in Canada. Complicated :/

These things go for 12$ on ebay so really its not an issue, I was just ping-ed enough by the coincidence that I had to say something :D


Shipping to Canada isn't a big issue on my end. I just have to fill out a customs form when I mail it. Using US postal rates it's about $3 or $4 in postage. I don't know what the exact shipping weight would be but the card is about 4.5oz/130g. So I used 7oz to get a rough idea. I just don't know what is involved on your side. As to what you might have to do or pay for customs.
5442) Message boards : Number crunching : Computering bits free to good home (Message 1085176)
Posted 9 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I already used the extra cases I had to put some systems together that I am donating. As well as an older notebook. Luckily they are slightly newer stuff then listed here. Like C2D's & 3+Ghz P4's.

I am often the dumping ground for when my friends upgrade their computers. By which they just buy new ones from Dell or such & are like "can you put all my stuff on my new computers & take the old one off my hands". Being a pack rat I oblige them. :)

This is all the leftover stuff that I don't foresee using.
5443) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (45) Server problems (Message 1085036)
Posted 8 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Up/down loads have been fine for my all morning, or at least the past 3 hours.
5444) Message boards : Number crunching : Computering bits free to good home (Message 1085035)
Posted 8 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Also over the past week I fired up those boards to make sure they were still good. That is how I found they all seem to need new bios batteries. Also the HD's & CD's were checked to make sure the were working. Most everything else was working last when I stuck it in the boxes they have been living in the past few years.


Pretty old kit HAL, does your area have one of the electronics recycling facilities that pay you for your old parts? (Granted you can't get rid of it before you are ready to move) Most of that should have some pretty pricey materials in it. There was a place around here doing that and they would pay somewhere on the range of $25-50 (complete pc) for obsolete hardware like that. You sound like you have a closet like mine, I've got enough old parts in there to probably build 8 complete PC's from Pentium - Athlon.


And that is just the stuff I'm getting rid of!

Yeah it is some old stuff, but still useful. I figured I'd put it up for grabs to people here first. My step-father actually runs one of those electronic scraping businesses back in OK, so he might know who to contact around here if no one wants anything.
5445) Message boards : Number crunching : Boinc Scheduler out of whack? (Message 1084919)
Posted 8 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
When you attach a new computer or modify an existing one, ask yourself what does BOINC know about this. The answer is simply nothing.

It doesn't know the performance, how it will react to different applications or the hours it is going to be run. And yet you seem to think it can estimate correctly the amount of work required to fill a seven day cache, and because it didn't you declare that the BOINC scheduler is out of Whack.

It's pretty obvious really that the thing out of whack, is the computer operator.

I think we are all out of whack, or we would be here. (:
5446) Message boards : Number crunching : Computering bits free to good home (Message 1084874)
Posted 8 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Also over the past week I fired up those boards to make sure they were still good. That is how I found they all seem to need new bios batteries. Also the HD's & CD's were checked to make sure the were working. Most everything else was working last when I stuck it in the boxes they have been living in the past few years.
5447) Message boards : Number crunching : Boinc Scheduler out of whack? (Message 1084871)
Posted 8 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I finally got my new AMD C32 setup and crunching. I set the cache for 7 days. Well it yanked over 3600 WU from the server. It's now running into deadline issues according to BoincView (says i have a 68 day buffer now).

Any ideas? Running 6.12.13 x64 with a HD 5850 running MB


When I setup my new i3 notebook last week it grabbed a load of tasks that were listed as 9 min. After a few hours of running it decided they were all going to take 2-3 hours. I had set it for 3 days, but now after a week I am still sitting on 20 days of work.
5448) Message boards : Number crunching : Computering bits free to good home (Message 1084865)
Posted 8 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I am moving soon & have a lot of old computer bits I haven't used in a long while. So I figured I would give them to whomever wants them.

I live in Philly/S. Jersey area. So pick ups are preferred. As I don't really want to ship anything cause that costs money, but something can always be arranged.

CPU/BOARD/MEM:
	CPU:		Intel Pentium 4 2.4GHz Northwood w/ stock HS/Fan
	System Board:	Asus P4B533 / 533MHz FSB / Needs BIOS battery CR2032
	Memory:		PC3200 512MB Micron / PC3200 512MB Micron

	CPU:		Intel Celeron 1.7GHz Northwood w/ stock HS/Fan
	System Board:	Intel D845GLAD / 400MHZ FSB
			Needs BIOS battery CR2032 / Needs new MB CPU retaining bracket 1 clip damaged / Built in NIC & video
	Memory:		PC3200 256MB Kingston / PC2100 256MB Elixer

	CPU:		Intel Pentium 4 1.4GHz Willamette w/ stock HS/Fan
	System Board:	Asus P4T / 400MHz FSB / Needs BIOS battery CR2032
	Memory:		PC800 128MB Samsung / PC800 128MB Samsung

	CPU:		Intel Pentium III-S 1.4GHz Tualatin w/ HS
	System Board:	Asus TUSL2-C / 133MHz FSB / Needs BIOS battery CR2032
	Memory:		PC133 256MB Crucial / PC133 256MB Crucial

CPUs:
		Manufacture	Model		Interface	Note
		AMD		Athlon 64 4000+	Socket939	CPU Only No HS/Fan
		Intel		Celeron 333	Slot1		With attatched HS/Fan

Memory:
		Manufacture	Model			Interface	Size	Speed		Note
		OCZ		OCZ3P13334GK		DIMM		  2GB	PC3-10600
		OCZ		OCZ3P13334GK		DIMM		  2GB	PC3-10600	1 Chip detatched needs resolder
		Inifineon	HYS64D32020HDL-6-C	SODIMM		256MB	PC2700
		Inifineon	HYS64D32020HDL-6-C	SODIMM		256MB	PC2700
		Crucial		CT16M64S4D8E.8LT	DIMM		128MB	PC100
		??		??			DIMM		128MB	PC100
		??		??			DIMM		 ??MB	PC??		Looks like 128MB PC100 DIMM
		Syncmax		??			DIMM		 64MB	PC100
		Syncmax		??			DIMM		 64MB	PC100

Drives:
	HDs	Manufacture	Model		Interface	Size	Circa
		Western Digital	WD2500		PATA		250GB	Build Date: 2004-01-21
		Western Digital	WD2500		PATA		250GB	Build Date: 2003-12-02
		Western Digital	WD600		PATA		 60GB	Build Date: 2001-08-31
		Western Digital	WD200		PATA		 20GB	Build Date: 2002-05-29
		IBM		DNES-309170	SCSI-68P	  9GB	Build Date: 1999-08-??
		Western Digital	2120		PATA		120MB	Build Date: 1992-06-20

	CDs	Manufacture	Model		Interface	Speed	Circa			Color
		Delta		OIP-CD5200A	PATA		52x	Build Date: 2000-11-21	Whiteish
		Creative	CD4020E		PATA		40x	Build Date: 1998-11-??	Greyish
		BTC		BCD 24XM	PATA		24x	Build Date: 1998-08-??	Yellowed
		Mitsumi		CRMC-FX240S	PATA		24x	Build Date: 1997-10-??	Whiteish

	Floppy	Manufacture	Model		Interface	Speed	Circa			Color
		TEAC		FD-235HF	Floppy		Floppy	2003-??-??		Putty
		Mitsumi		D353M3		Floppy		Floppy	2000-01-??		Whiteish
		Mitsumi		D353M3		Floppy		Floppy	2000-01-??		Whiteish
		??		D359T5		Floppy		Floppy	??			Whiteish

Cards:
	Net	Manufacture	Model		Interface	Speed
		3COM		3C905CX-TXM	PCI 3/5v	10/100
		D-Link		DFE-530X+	PCI 3/5v	10/??
		Kingston	KNE110TX	PCI   5v	10/100
		Kingston	KNE110TX	PCI   5v	10/100
		Kingston	KNE110TX	PCI   5v	10/100
		Kingston	KNE110TX	PCI   5v	10/100
		Kingston	KNE111TX	PCI   5v	10/100

	Video	Manufacture	Model		Interface	Connectors		Circa
		Trident		?TGUI9680-1?	PCI   5V	1-VGA			1994
		Trident		3DForce G-16	APG Universal	1-VGA			1994

	Drive	Manufacture	Model		Interface	Connectors
		Promise		FastTrack100	PCI   5V	2-PATA
		Adaptec		2940UW		PCI   5V	1-I68P/1-I50P/1-E68P

	Misc	Manufacture	Model		Interface	Connectors
		Moxa		C168H/PCI	PCI   5V	8 Port RS232 w/ included cable

Misc:
		Manufacture	Description
		Iwill		Socket 370 to Slot 1 adapter
		FBN Industries	Socket 370 to Slot 1 adapter
		FBN Industries	Socket 370 to Slot 1 adapter
		FBN Industries	Socket 370 to Slot 1 adaptor
		FBN Industries	Socket 370 to Slot 1 adapter


I tried to describe things as best I could. Questions. Just ask.
5449) Message boards : Number crunching : ATI OpenCL MultiBeam 6.10 problem.. (Message 1084831)
Posted 8 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
do you uninstall your drivers before you install the new ones. I know its not necessary for everything but the video drivers definitely need to be removed before you can update them

well the very first time i installed the 5870, i did not uninstall the IGP drivers b/c it slipped my mind that Catalyst drivers are unified. but after the drivers and utilities install (which apparently went flawlessly according to the install log), everything worked fine...that is, except for CCC. nothing i tried since then has been able to fix and get CCC running again, including the driver wipes i performed before reinstalling them. not a big deal though - i did as Mike suggested and installed MSI Afterburner. i now have access to all sorts of OCing and hardware monitoring features, but most importantly i now have fan speed control. i'm going to run Milkyway@Home for the next 18-24hrs to test stability, and then hopefully i'll have an opportunity tomorrow night to take a stab at installing the AP and MB ATI apps.

Had you also tried the ATI uninstaller that cleans out any and everything ATI from the system & then reinstalling the driver with CCC?
5450) Message boards : Number crunching : ok, this is unusual (Message 1084830)
Posted 8 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Nope, not George Osborne, it must have changed, I noticed that mine is a fairly high number for someone who started in early '99, but it seems that when you changed your host, it gave you a new number, and couldn't find a way to get back the orig one. At least they have my start date correct. ;)


It is from issues at their site. Which they published in their news several days ago. You need to update your sig with your new number from their site.


The reason I was changing stuff is that I upgraded my vid card from a MSI NX8800GT to a BFG GTX275 OC, and wanted to update my files with the correct flops statement, and whatever else would make it run more efficiently. If need be, I can post both files for someone to analyze in case I missed something.

5451) Message boards : Number crunching : My HD4870 GPU burned (Message 1084818)
Posted 8 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Mike, just curious, what did it cost for the card, and what was the shipping cost from Germany to Russia? Might be fun to calculate what the cost would be to send something like a PSU from the US to Russia. I'm sure it wouldn't be cheap, but it would be neat to know, something to file away as semi-useless knowledge :)


According to http://ircalc.usps.gov it is about $40-$50 to send a 5lb package to Russia from here. Depending on how quickly you would want it to arrive.
5452) Message boards : Number crunching : What do we tackle next? (Message 1084817)
Posted 8 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
A month ??

Time to wake up
more like 6 mo to a year

I'm out of here
When they wake up and decide I'll not be here
enough is enough
Don't call us we'll call you



Goodbye Robert.


He has said that before. Yet is still here. S@H is like crack. it keeps dragging people back to it.
5453) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (45) Server problems (Message 1084792)
Posted 8 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
AS I recall they had to take the replica offline as it wasn't able to catch up cause of some issues it was having. So stopping the splitters might be a prep to get it all working correctly for this main period.

Yes, the replica database got corrupted. They decided it would be quicker and easier to just throw it away, and generate a new one during the backup/maintenance outage tomorrow. The smaller the database, the quicker they can do that, and the quicker we're back in action.


I know it makes sense, but they have chosen to do it anyway... at least that is a logic reasoning. Could be everyone was just to busy to keep it another bit of data to rip, but I like my first comment better. So I'm going to go with that. Facts be damned!
5454) Message boards : Number crunching : What do we tackle next? (Message 1084791)
Posted 8 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I just don't get you Robert.

They're busy trying to keep the project going, and you take it as a slight against you that they haven't answered you (yes, even in a months time!).

You know (or at least anyone who posts here should know) that the project is coasting along on fumes, yet you allow your anger to refuse the project money because they haven't jumped when you ordered them to jump.

Why don't you let them settle in the new stuff they have first before they can see what else they need? Maybe a month seems like a long time to you, but a month for part-time employees is barely any time at all.


Some projects I started at work in June are still in process. As there are other things that take priority over them.
5455) Message boards : Number crunching : Set and (completely) forget, with optimized MB app. (Message 1084786)
Posted 8 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Until the minimum version is greater than 5.10.28 & they start to create bad science...


As BOINC doesn't actually do any science there isn't a problem there. The guys upstairs still allow BOINC 4.x clients. Which will end up granting them and their wingmen 0 credit. As there was some sort of change in how credit was granted since then.

That persons opt app is also old. With their version at 'SSSE3x Win32 Build 41' & the current at 'SSSE3x Win32 Build 76'.
5456) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (45) Server problems (Message 1084780)
Posted 8 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
AS I recall they had to take the replica offline as it wasn't able to catch up cause of some issues it was having. So stopping the splitters might be a prep to get it all working correctly for this main period.
5457) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (45) Server problems (Message 1084747)
Posted 7 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Splitters out of tapes. Are we catching up or did someone forget to "fill up"?

Maybe letting them run dry for Tuesday maintenance?
5458) Message boards : Number crunching : Set and (completely) forget, with optimized MB app. (Message 1084716)
Posted 7 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
It still produces valid results......


I think that kind of answers it, don't you?

Not everyone on SETI probably cares as much as you/we do about what's happening, and if it isn't causing him/her any problems, why do anything...


I think that falls under "If it ain't broke don't fix it."
5459) Message boards : Number crunching : high priority (Message 1084647)
Posted 7 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I do not often see things go into High Priority mode. Even with a 10 day cache. I also have a really high value set for "Switch between tasks every nn minutes". I suppose that could be what. As I use 7200 minutes no task should be running for 5 days to need to be switched. With some of the slower machines I am adding I might actually increase that a bit.
5460) Message boards : Number crunching : help new install (Message 1084519)
Posted 7 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Alls is well.

Got ahead of myself.

Doing exactly what my other windows 7 is doing.

There is a number to change in the app_info file but dont have the print-out of it.
Probably dont need it now

Thanks

bj

Is it the <flops> entry?
5461) Message boards : Number crunching : help new install (Message 1084514)
Posted 7 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Do you mean BOINC has downloaded work & isn't processing it, that it isn't downloading work, that you need help with the app_info.xml for the opt apps, or are you looking for the CC_Config.xml options like <no_gpus>n</no_gpus> & <no_cpus>n</no_cpus> ?
5462) Message boards : Number crunching : high priority (Message 1084505)
Posted 7 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
You could change the settings so BOINC always runs in high priority mode instead of FIFO mode. Then tasks will always be run by their due date. Also you can suspend tasks from running until you wish to run them. I have done this when I have seen a tone of shorties on a system, even though they were not due for a long period. I wanted them off of my screen.
5463) Message boards : Number crunching : False -9 errors on older 9000 series GPU's. (Message 1084406)
Posted 6 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Whenever I have a task "Completed, validation inconclusive" it is always against a GPU that sent it back in with -9. Looking them over the majority of them are 9000 cards with 400 cards coming up 2nd. The 200 cards seem to only spit out -9 results when a CPU does also. Albeit slower than a CPU.

GPU processing hasn't had 40+ years of development behind it, but I think 3DFX, hey remember them, had a point.

5464) Message boards : Number crunching : BOINCstats sig issue? (Message 1084268)
Posted 6 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I had posted this in the panic thread yesterday as a response had about the same issue.
The server that runs BOINCstats is slowly dying. They posted a message about the numbers changing the other day which is here. If you read the newer news posting they were having a fundraiser to build a new server to keep the site up. Which recently just finished! They still like money to pay for their monthly fees tho. So feel free to help them out if you like using their services!
5465) Message boards : Number crunching : work??? (Message 1084157)
Posted 5 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Not had any work units for so long now i don't even bother no more, just uploaded the latest beta thingy and guess what...still no work units. Computer sitting here idle again.
Please feel free to stuff this post into the complaints, rant, rave section if you like but i'm guessing my computers arn't the only ones sitting idle and doing nothing.

Seems such a waste of processing power when it could be used for looking for aliens......


Other then the fact the servers went a bit wonky a bit ago I haven't really had any problems with my machines getting work. Except a really old one I was trying to get the MMX opt app to run.

If you want help with something there are lots of people willing to do so. As you have the a beta version of BOINC that could be an issue.

If you want sympathy a "oh whoa is me" post doesn't do much.
5466) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (45) Server problems (Message 1084101)
Posted 5 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
No panic buts what is with the boinc stat sig? I notice a few others have the same problem. Its like that in milkyway and Einstein.

Edit- I went to boinc stats and redid the sig ok now.


The serve that runs BOINCstats is slowly dying. They posted a message about the numbers changing the other day which is here. If you read the newer news posting they were having a fundraiser to build a new server to keep the site up. Which recently just finished! They still like money to pay for their monthly fees tho. So feel free to help them out if you like using their services!
5467) Message boards : Number crunching : How much SETI MB WU's can you run on all your systems? (Message 1083701)
Posted 5 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
At the moment I am running 72 tasks, 71 CPU 1 GPU, at the same time.All the computers in my computers are actively crunching except for the I7-860 with the Radeon HD5750. I was thinking about firing up 12 more cores on system at work since we have a lot more idle PC's now.
5468) Message boards : Number crunching : MMX Opt App (Message 1083412)
Posted 4 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
You don't even want me to bring up the trusty 'ole 33MHz Pentium, put you all to shame! Last time it crunched was Seti Classic, still have a functional 100MHz Pentium too, all it needs in a disk and OS. It would probably take weeks to finish a task. Sad thing is the slowest video card out now would use less power than any of the machines talked about and produce more work completed than them. Instead of paying the power bill to run them buy another GPU!!! Used to love running old stuff like that just for kicks, until you really start thinking about it and paying the bills to support it.


Luckily the power bill isn't a problem. As these are old machines at work that are on 24/7 anyway.

When I first got there 8 years ago there was something like 350 computers in the lab. Since then I have helped get rid of many of the really ancient things. There were 386's still in the lab being used. A few years ago we set about trashing anything that was below 400MHz. As a 400MHz CPU was the minimum requirement for some of our software. Now we are down to about 130 computers even after buying several new ones each year.

I also swap out system to upgrade what they are doing with "newer" hardware. Like upgrading the DHCP server that was a 180MHz Pentium Pro to a 2.4GHz P4. So the next rotation in hardware will be getting the P4 swapped out with something better. Really with the servers I want to try and see about building some Atom based servers just to cut down on the noise in the place.
5469) Message boards : Number crunching : Low power GF upgrade options (Message 1083396)
Posted 4 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

Reason I'm chiming in here is that the same PSU that was in my EMachine also was used as stock in both HP and Gateway and it wouldn't surprise me if it was in the Dell too. Also worth noting, none of those you mentioned are famous for reliable PSUs. :-)


You lost me with what I have put in bold. Are you talking about none of the ones you mentioned talking about yourself? Cause I didn't see anyone mention power supplies or companies who produce them.

As far as the video card I would shoot for the newer end of the range you can afford. Most of them are re-branded cards from the last generation with a few optimizations anyways. IE the GTS 250 is a re-branded 9800GTX+ which is a rebranded 8800GTX etc etc


I think that was in response to me listing the brands of computers I am working with.
5470) Message boards : Number crunching : 9800 gx2 issue and... (Message 1083354)
Posted 4 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I don't have any 9800's but that case is nice. I was looking at getting a pair of them. The only thing that I was worried about was the depth. It isn't as deep as my thermaltake case and I can't put any HD's in the spaces across from the video cards. As they overlap about 3/4". However for $55 & free shipping they are worth considering!
5471) Message boards : Number crunching : Low power GF upgrade options (Message 1083344)
Posted 3 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

You can do some side-by-side GPU comparing here.

Martin

That is perfect! I always hate when I look at a review for something new & it is only compared to what it is selling against. I prefer to compare what I have to what I want.
5472) Message boards : Number crunching : Low power GF upgrade options (Message 1083321)
Posted 3 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
GF, If I didn't know better I'd swear You meant Girl Friend, As in how can one find a Low Powered GF? ;) Sorry I couldn't resist.


It could also be Gluten Free! As my sister has celiac disease we have come up with a lot of meanings for the letters GF. lol

I was using the one machine that has the 8500 GT as a reference & looking at cards that had similar TDP ratings. That is how I came up with the 430. Using Wikipedia I saw the specs for the GF8500 - GFLOPS:43 TDP: 45 & then for the GF430 - GFLOPS: 269 TDP: 49.

My brain said "hey that looks like a much better card than the 8500" but I didn't know if I was skipping over something or if the older cards were a bit better. Price-wise the 220, 320, & 430 are all about the same price in the $60 range.
5473) Message boards : Number crunching : MMX Opt App (Message 1083316)
Posted 3 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Yeah I don't expect a lot out of it. I did have a server with 3 Xeon PII 400 MHz running for a long time. It ran about 65 hours for a shortie & around 85-90 hours for a standard tasks with the stock app. The Xeons also had 1 MB of cache. So they might have been a bit faster then this guy will be.

Since that machine is up & going now. I will probably be calling up a few more of "the ancients" to do more then collect dust.
5474) Message boards : Number crunching : MMX Opt App (Message 1083275)
Posted 3 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Update: Around 10AM EST the machine stopped spitting out the "no usable version" message & picked up some work.
5475) Message boards : Number crunching : Low power GF upgrade options (Message 1083240)
Posted 3 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The machines are getting new cards to get Aero support for windows & the boss was like "Hey can't S@H run on video cards now. See if you can find ones that will do both". Budgetwise it's "cheaper is better" as standard.

Space isn't something I had considered yet. I'll have to check all the boxen to be sure. The machines are all different & of differing ages. Two of them are old 2.8GHz Xeons that are at least 7 years old. Probably PCIe x8 slots.
5476) Message boards : Number crunching : Low power GF upgrade options (Message 1083217)
Posted 3 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I would stay in the mid range or higher 5xx series, or a higher end 4xx if I was upgrading. Maybe a 450+. As far as the connector concerns like Claggy has mention they come with molex-PCIe connectors for computers that don't have them. Just make sure you PSU can handle whatever you get if you stay in the mid to high range. For the price you pay for a GTS 250 1GB(good card too), you can buy yourself a nice 4xx or 5xx. Just something to thing about.


since I am going to be getting about 10 cards paying an extra $30 per card doesn't really work out very well budget wise. :( Also most of these machines don't have much more PSU then what Dell/HP/Gateway thought they needed. I don't think I'd be able to clear new PSUs for them all as well.
5477) Message boards : Number crunching : Low power GF upgrade options (Message 1083207)
Posted 3 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Currently the only GPU I have to run for S@H is an older GeForce 8500 GT. I am looking at getting some new PCIe cards for other machines & figure why not replace that guy while I am at it.

One of the key requirements for the new cards is that they do not require any additional power to them via a PCIe video power connector. As most of the machines that will be getting the new cards are old & don't have such connectors.

At the moment something like the GeForce GT 430 seems to be the answer, but I I don't know if the GeForce GT 530 would be a better choice. As Those don't seem to be out just yet, or if there would be something else that might be good in low power, but can still do stuff range. Like maybe the GeForce GT 220.
5478) Message boards : Number crunching : MMX Opt App (Message 1083058)
Posted 2 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
So I grabbed the Optimized Multi-Beam for Windows of Crunch3r's 2.4V x32 MMX Intel & AMD & have gone about trying to get it going on some old PII machines. I was getting the "Your app_info.xml file doesn't have a usable version of SETI@home Enhanced" message so I added a section for 603, but that didn't seem to help. I have included the complete contents of the app_info.xml below. I am sure I could strip out the really old versions from it. I am just using what was included to start.
(...)


Your URL go to nowhere. At least not to message 894853. Maybe the message was hidden in the meantime?

You have this app: http://calbe.dw70.de/2.4V/2.4V_Windows_x32_MMX.zip ?

If I look to the app_info.xml which is included, there is an empty line on the bottom. I think it's not the problem, but I have no empty lines in my app_info.xml . ;-)

The message you get in BOINC - I get also sometimes this error message. It happen at high server load, or what ever.

If you already detached from SETI@home. Attach again. Suspend network. Exit BOINC.
Copy the 3 files from the .zip folder to the setiathome.berkeley.edu folder.
Delete all entries in the app_info.xml file, copy Link's entries to the app_info.xml and save (with Notepad).

I guess you don't want to calculate AstroPulse on this PC.

Then start BOINC and you should be fine.


BTW. Are you sure, that this CPU can (only) MMX, and not already SSE?


I was trying to point to the Sticky "Optimized Applications and Other Binaries - Read Only". The link works for me, but yes I have http://calbe.dw70.de/2.4V/2.4V_Windows_x32_MMX.zip.

I have never seen this message other then when I have entered something incorrectly, but I'll just leave the machine over night to see what happens. Right now I have just the 603 entry as posted by Link.

This machine is a Pentium II 400Mhz. So I wouldn't want to try AstroPulse lol. I turned off AP for any of my machines where it takes more then 24 hours.

SSE, on Intel chips, is for Pentium III or higher. I also did check with CPUz just to be sure.
5479) Message boards : Number crunching : What happened here (Message 1083032)
Posted 2 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I would guess that these were tasks that you never got. Have you looked in your log on that machine to see if it successfully downloaded them?
5480) Message boards : Number crunching : MMX Opt App (Message 1083008)
Posted 2 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Try just that:
<snip>


I had thought about stripping out all of the old versions, but had not tried it. After just placing that in the file & restarting BOINC it still gives the same message about no usable version. Seems like the machine is just being uncooperative.

EDIT: Just figured it out. For some reason I had to enable "If no work for selected applications is available, accept work from other applications?" for the venue that machine is in. Even though none of the other machines in the venue running Opt Apps require it. Oh well, lesson learned, Thanks for the assistance!

EDIT: EDIT: OK I thought that was it, but after a few work requests it went back to giving me the no usable version message. *bangs head on desk*
5481) Message boards : Number crunching : MMX Opt App (Message 1082961)
Posted 2 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
So I grabbed the Optimized Multi-Beam for Windows of Crunch3r's 2.4V x32 MMX Intel & AMD & have gone about trying to get it going on some old PII machines. I was getting the "Your app_info.xml file doesn't have a usable version of SETI@home Enhanced" message so I added a section for 603, but that didn't seem to help. I have included the complete contents of the app_info.xml below. I am sure I could strip out the really old versions from it. I am just using what was included to start.

It's not like I am a noob to opt apps, but I never used this one before. So I don't know if there is some kind of trick that I have to do for it. BOINC is v6.10.43. As I like all the boxen to have the same software & it is a project to update all the machines.

The files app_info.xml, KWSN_2.4V_MMX_MB.exe, & KWSN_DEBUG.pdb are all living in D:\Boinc\projects\setiathome.berkeley.edu\ on the machine. I have gone through a few detach/attach cycles & have come up a bit stumped.

Any help on what I might be missing would be great, thanks.

<app_info>
    <app>
        <name>setiathome_enhanced</name>
    </app>
    <file_info>
        <name>KWSN_2.4V_MMX_MB.exe</name>
        <executable/>
    </file_info>
    <app_version>
        <app_name>setiathome_enhanced</app_name>
        <version_num>517</version_num>
        <file_ref>
            <file_name>KWSN_2.4V_MMX_MB.exe</file_name>
            <main_program/>
        </file_ref>
    </app_version>
    <app_version>
        <app_name>setiathome_enhanced</app_name>
        <version_num>527</version_num>
        <file_ref>
           <file_name>KWSN_2.4V_MMX_MB.exe</file_name>
            <main_program/>
        </file_ref>
    </app_version>
    <app_version>
        <app_name>setiathome_enhanced</app_name>
        <version_num>528</version_num>
        <file_ref>
           <file_name>KWSN_2.4V_MMX_MB.exe</file_name>
            <main_program/>
        </file_ref>
    </app_version>
    <app_version>
        <app_name>setiathome_enhanced</app_name>
        <version_num>603</version_num>
        <file_ref>
           <file_name>KWSN_2.4V_MMX_MB.exe</file_name>
            <main_program/>
        </file_ref>
    </app_version>
</app_info>
5482) Message boards : Number crunching : Can a HD2900XT crunch? (Message 1082816)
Posted 2 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
3850 works with hybrid lunatics AP app fine - if slow

but quicker than the P4 its installed in!

have it on Collatz at the moment

soon to be ebay'd


Yeah the hybrid app really speed things up on the slower boxen. It seems it was a bit of a pain to get the AGP card working for some reason. With the new app using OpenCL I don't think the 3850 supports that, but if it does getting it to work might be to much effort.
5483) Message boards : Number crunching : Can a HD2900XT crunch? (Message 1082729)
Posted 1 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The HD3850 AGP works with Milkyway, Collatz and DNETC (not PrimeGrid or here);

Just for to be sure, as I will have one in few days: you mean there is no reason to even test it here, it will never work with the lunatics AP or MB apps?


There was a test version that was being worked on long ago that would run on the 3850 AGP card. I was helping test with it in beta with my Sapphire 3850 AGP card. I haven't tried the current app on the old card with with as slow as it was I am not sure it would be worth the effort.
5484) Message boards : Number crunching : Any way to delay BOINC startup after OS boot? (Message 1082726)
Posted 1 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
another dos bat file option

choice /c YN /d Y /t 2
start boincmgr /s

The value after /t is the delay in seconds.

If you want to get really fancy you can do this.

@ECHO OFF
CHOICE /N /C YN /D Y /T 20 /M Start_S@H?
IF ERRORLEVEL 2 GOTO NOPE
IF ERRORLEVEL 1 GOTO YEP
:NOPE
@ECHO OK I will do nothing
GOTO END
:YEP
start boincmgr /s
:END
5485) Message boards : Number crunching : Moving computer away from desk (Message 1082724)
Posted 1 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have 3 1GB Caviar drives in raid 5 in my system. With them literary about 18" away from my head the fan in front of them makes more noise & it is really quiet. Even if I run some things to really thrash them.

Mine are not the current revision of the drives so I'm not sure if that might be something to do with it or not.

Maybe you mean 1TB. I just bought one 1TB Caviar Green but haven't yet installed it in place of a 160 GB Hitachi.
Tullio


Yeah that's what he meant. 1TB drive are really nice for the price right now, newegg was selling seagate and western digitals for $54.99 the other day. I bought two more, my server loves me. ;)

Yeah TB not GB.... *bonks head*. Now I am looking into getting or building a NAS with maybe the new 3TB drives.
5486) Message boards : Number crunching : my benchmarks dropped when switching from 32 to 64 bit windows 7 (Message 1082604)
Posted 1 Mar 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Here is a good example to show how the benchmark doesn't really matter a great deal. Compared to Bent's E8400 mine spit out about twice on the integer, but I'm sure they would both crunch the same work at the same rate.
Processor: 2 GenuineIntel Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU E8400 @ 3.00GHz [Family 6 Model 23 Stepping 6]
Benchmark results:
Number of CPUs: 2
3062 floating point MIPS (Whetstone) per CPU
8872 integer MIPS (Dhrystone) per CPU
5487) Message boards : Number crunching : Issues with ZSETI@home enhanced 6.09 (cuda23) (Message 1082454)
Posted 28 Feb 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
As Gundolf pointed out your settings might now be allowing GPU tasks to run right now. With BOINC in advanced mode go to Advanced > Preferences. Then on the Processor Usage tab. The setting "Use GPU while computer is in use" will run GPU tasks all the time. This can make things really slow or wonky. The setting "Only after computer has been idle for nn minutes" waits until you haven't used the computer for that long to start GPU tasks. They will stop processing as soon as you use the computer.... sorta.
5488) Message boards : Number crunching : my benchmarks dropped when switching from 32 to 64 bit windows 7 (Message 1082395)
Posted 28 Feb 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Interesting, so basically, as far as your computer is concerned anyways, there is no negligible difference in reporting from the 32 or 64bit versions between the two latest boinc clients. Guess it just must be 'one of those things', I would like to know what caused his obvious drop in numbers though.


MIPS/Whetstone is consistently lower with x64, but not very much on the CPU I was using. The item that caused the lower benchmark does seem to be just the BOINC app. Which is no biggie. It is just a rough benchmark to guesstimate how much work the computer can do.

EDIT: Also these benchmarks were done with SP1. I forgot to include that before.
5489) Message boards : Number crunching : my benchmarks dropped when switching from 32 to 64 bit windows 7 (Message 1082374)
Posted 28 Feb 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Here are the results of running the BOINC benchmarks. All 4 versions were run on the same machine. I ran the benchmarks 5 times with consistent results between each run. Each run I saw a change of less than 100 for each value. The x86 version of BOINC generated consistent results in Windows 7 x64 & Windows 7 x86.

From the numbers you can see the different versions & platforms of BOINC give different results for the benchmark.

Starting BOINC client version 6.10.43 for windows_x86_64
Processor: 8 GenuineIntel Intel(R) Core(TM) i7 CPU 860 @ 2.80GHz
Memory: 3.99 GB physical, 7.98 GB virtual
Disk: 40.00 GB total, 31.26 GB free
Benchmark results:
Number of CPUs: 8
2685 floating point MIPS (Whetstone) per CPU
11070 integer MIPS (Dhrystone) per CPU

Starting BOINC client version 6.10.43 for windows_intelx86
Processor: 8 GenuineIntel Intel(R) Core(TM) i7 CPU 860 @ 2.80GHz
Memory: 3.99 GB physical, 7.98 GB virtual
Disk: 40.00 GB total, 31.26 GB free
Benchmark results:
Number of CPUs: 8
2785 floating point MIPS (Whetstone) per CPU
8211 integer MIPS (Dhrystone) per CPU

Starting BOINC client version 6.10.58 for windows_x86_64
Processor: 8 GenuineIntel Intel(R) Core(TM) i7 CPU 860 @ 2.80GHz
Memory: 3.99 GB physical, 7.98 GB virtual
Disk: 40.00 GB total, 31.26 GB free
Benchmark results:
Number of CPUs: 8
2682 floating point MIPS (Whetstone) per CPU
11067 integer MIPS (Dhrystone) per CPU

Starting BOINC client version 6.10.58 for windows_intelx86
Processor: 8 GenuineIntel Intel(R) Core(TM) i7 CPU 860 @ 2.80GHz
Memory: 3.99 GB physical, 7.98 GB virtual
Disk: 40.00 GB total, 31.26 GB free
Benchmark results:
Number of CPUs: 8
2788 floating point MIPS (Whetstone) per CPU
7980 integer MIPS (Dhrystone) per CPU


To run the benchmarks I have program folder for each version of BOINC in folders like this:
D:\BOINC Apps\Boinc 6.10.43 exes\x64\
D:\BOINC Apps\Boinc 6.10.43 exes\x86\
D:\BOINC Apps\Boinc 6.10.58 exes\x64\
D:\BOINC Apps\Boinc 6.10.58 exes\x86\
I ran them separately without being attached to a project to avoid any speculation of any project influencing the results.
5490) Message boards : Number crunching : Phone and internet surge protection? (Message 1082126)
Posted 27 Feb 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have APC products between me and the wall for everything. Originally I bought the CATV surge protector to protect my TV, then later one for the cable modem after getting off of DSL.
5491) Message boards : Number crunching : my benchmarks dropped when switching from 32 to 64 bit windows 7 (Message 1081742)
Posted 26 Feb 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
What are you using to run these benchmarks? If I have time at work Monday I'll load it up on some machines and see what I get in both OS's for you.
5492) Message boards : Number crunching : Moving computer away from desk (Message 1081738)
Posted 26 Feb 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have 3 1GB Caviar drives in raid 5 in my system. With them literary about 18" away from my head the fan in front of them makes more noise & it is really quiet. Even if I run some things to really thrash them.

Mine are not the current revision of the drives so I'm not sure if that might be something to do with it or not.
5493) Message boards : Number crunching : my benchmarks dropped when switching from 32 to 64 bit windows 7 (Message 1081730)
Posted 26 Feb 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have never taken the BOINC benchmark as any meaning level of a system performance. Did you also change version of BOINC when going to the new OS? It could be something in how the scores are calculated between the two platforms. I think the thing to do would be watch the completion times for tasks with the same AR. You could run some of the S@H benchmark kits out there & compare them to others.

In running my machines at work. Where we use ghost images to load up a clean version of the OS for testing I haven't notice much, if any, difference between the two platforms, or running x86 OP Apps on x64 OS's.
5494) Message boards : Number crunching : Pending Credit (Message 1080965)
Posted 24 Feb 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have like 4 WU's that were sent in nearly a week ago now still pending credit. Is it unusual to wait this long for validation?


My oldest pendings are down to only December now.
5495) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (44) Server problems (Message 1080769)
Posted 23 Feb 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Whats TTL? where would i look to find out?

TTL can refer to: Transistor–transistor logic, a type of digital logic-gate circuits; Time to live for computer data; Through-the-lens ...


or Tuesday Taco Lunch!

staceman

If you think your local DNS servers might be an issue you could try setting 68.87.64.146 or 68.87.75.194 for your DNS. Those are the DNS servers I am currently using.

EDIT: an answer if you were talking to MS.
"I'm sorry your operating system is no longer supported. You need to install the latest service pack to continue."
5496) Message boards : Number crunching : Been a while (Message 1080627)
Posted 23 Feb 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Except for yesterday my machines have been picking up a few AP every day.
5497) Message boards : Number crunching : Watson doing SETI (Message 1080299)
Posted 22 Feb 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
IBM POWER7 750 Express is a 4 CPU 32 CORE system that runs at 3.0GHz, 3.3GHz, or 3.55GHz. So just one node wouldn't be to shabby to have even though it is only a "midrange" system. However, the 795 server is a 32 CPU 256 CORE system that runs 4.0GHz. So they have the hardware if you have the $$$ !

"IBM's master inventor and senior consultant Tony Pearson estimated the Watson's hardware cost is about $3 million."
5498) Message boards : Number crunching : MultiBeam application for ATi GPUs released (Message 1079948)
Posted 21 Feb 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

EDIT: From the specs I know the hardware supports OpenGL 4.1, but I was unable to find if it supports Double-precision FP.

Better look for OpenCL in specs, OpenGL is "for gamers", we use OpenCL here ;)

Both SETI apps use single precision so double precision support not required.


*smacks self in face* At 4AM GL & CL are easily confused! Thanks for pointing that out to me.

Looks like the mobile cards have the same OpenCL 1.1 support as the desktop cards. So I should not see anything different than desktop cards right now.
5499) Message boards : Number crunching : MultiBeam application for ATi GPUs released (Message 1079938)
Posted 21 Feb 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I've just ordered a new notebook with an ATI HD6370M & I3-390M. I have seen there are issues with the HD6xxx cards/drivers running S@H. Is there any known limitation with this GPU being able to run the current APP in development? I know the 6370 isn't exactly a power house, but if it can do a bit of work I don't see any reason that it should be denied.

As I just ordered it. It isn't expected to be shipped until the 1st. So it will be a few weeks before I get my hands on it.

EDIT: From the specs I know the hardware supports OpenGL 4.1, but I was unable to find if it supports Double-precision FP.
5500) Message boards : Number crunching : EVGA Cares (Message 1078871)
Posted 18 Feb 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
My thermaltake case has mesh drive bay covers with little filters behind each one. With the fans blowing out from the other openings all the air comes in the front through the filters. So I don't get very much dust or gata fur inside of my case.

The only thing I don't like about the case is the depth. With the drives mounted in the drive cage they stick out to far to get a video card in. So I had to move them up to about the middle of the case.
5501) Message boards : Number crunching : EVGA Cares (Message 1078860)
Posted 18 Feb 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hmmm... year good idea. It has been about a year since I moved my 'puter last & cleaned it out.
5502) Message boards : Number crunching : Internet connection(s) (Message 1078346)
Posted 17 Feb 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Ever since I put this i7 online over a year ago, Ive been getting random cant connect to boinc. Thing is I aslo cant get an internet connection. When I do a reboot I reconnect with no problems.

Now when my other two computers, a P4 and a mac cant connect I do reboot the router.

Im running the 6.10.58 version of boinc. But I cant remember what version it was back when the i7 went online.

I had thought that maybe my ether net card was buggy on the i7, Maybe it still is. But I have a slight doubt now.


I noticed this sort of issue when I was messing around with BOINC 6.10.56 & 6.10.58. I never had the time to sit down and determine the issue. So I went back to 6.10.43. I am hoping I get some free time soon so I can give 6.12.xx a go & see if I see still that issue.
5503) Message boards : Number crunching : And we're back!! (Message 1077608)
Posted 15 Feb 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I got my 33 AP tasks to report.

:p
5504) Message boards : Number crunching : Giving up on download of ...wu: file not found (Message 1077605)
Posted 15 Feb 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
File corruption or something else? Before the download server went down, I was assigned an AP WU, "ap_05se10ac_B4_P0_00287_20110113_23181.wu". It never became downloaded due to the download server issue.

Now though, when the server is up the result of the download attempt was: Giving up on download of ap_05se10ac_B4_P0_00287_20110113_23181.wu: file not found.

Yeah well, I'll get new work i'm sure, but something happened with that file, and now it sits as Outcome Computation error, Client state Downloading.

Strange are the ways of SETI :-)


Strange indeed! A few of mine I had to restart BOINC to get the downloads to resume. I guess that could be expected after a week of trying to d/l the same few files.
5505) Message boards : Number crunching : And we're back!! (Message 1077602)
Posted 15 Feb 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

Dare i say it?

SHHHH! or it might explode. (:
5506) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (44) Server problems (Message 1077597)
Posted 15 Feb 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I think they will wait until the 21st to get everything working as a present for Washington’s Birthday.
5507) Message boards : Number crunching : CMOS battery (Message 1077593)
Posted 15 Feb 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

<snip>
Should work a 230 mAh battery?
Because the battery in the shop have 230 mAh, which is 5 mAh bigger than after Wiki.

And I should be specially carefully when I change the battery?


Any battery with the part number CR2032 is a replacement for a CR2032 battery. It has been a pretty common batter for motherboard usage for many years. So if you bought a 2 or 3 pack of replacement batteries you would not have to worry what to use them in.

Th only problem I have had replacing a motherboard battery is pinching my finger on the release clip. Looking at a photo of your MSI motherboard it is the kind that likes to pinch me.
5508) Message boards : Number crunching : male to male motherboard standoff (Message 1077577)
Posted 15 Feb 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
A few of my cases have come with a few brass positioning pin/post things. I have always removed them & used the M-F posts that would come in the package of misc case bits.
5509) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (43) Server problems (Message 1075638)
Posted 9 Feb 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
We're screwed. Nothing can save us now :-)

Agreed! The real question is did we want anything to actually save us? (:
5510) Message boards : Number crunching : How to tell if I have latest lunatics app. (Message 1075089)
Posted 7 Feb 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Do I have the latest app from lunatics?
If not, how do I install it?

On the Lunatics site they have a forum section just about "Optimized Applications Release News". I don't think they have release anything new MB CPU stuff in a while tho.
Also: Did they move the downloads of the apps just zipped up or do they only put out the unified installer now?
5511) Message boards : Number crunching : Suggestion for Number Crunching format (Message 1075078)
Posted 7 Feb 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
If the current forum software supports it I think some sub sections under Number crunching might be a good idea. If not perhaps new boards like
Number crunching - General
Number crunching - GPU's
Number crunching - Overclocking
Number crunching - Optimized 3rd party Apps Software
I am sure there are plenty of ways things could be subdivided, but I think most of the threads in Number crunching are appropriate.

Posts about things that effect our ability to do work. Like a fundraiser for a new server makes sense to be in this section.

My two pence.
5512) Message boards : Number crunching : Question (Message 1075068)
Posted 7 Feb 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
During the last long outage I had shut down the old P4 and my electric dropped a lot. even though the Mac and i7 were still doing other projects. So I really need to consider whether to keep that online. The thing has been crunching since 04 so im kind of attached to the old girl.

I pay .054 per kwh. this months bill was for $64.00. Now your thinking hey thats cheap, But here in NY state they whack you with taxes and a stinking delivery charge that is more than doulbe what you use. total bill is $169.38 bucks.

Another i7 but with a better Nvdia card is in my future I hope.

Yeah all those weird thigns on my bill in NJ as well. I just take the bill amount and dived the KWhs. So I pay between $0.17-$0.19/KWh. When I lived in OK you just got a bill that said like 300KWhs @ $0.1012384182 & your bill would be $30.37. A whole lot less confusing. Power is much cheaper out there to boot!
5513) Message boards : Number crunching : What do we tackle next? (Message 1075066)
Posted 7 Feb 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

Fair enough, I can think of other reasons to go under Security. These are not idyllic times. That does put a kink in drop shipping components from Newegg though. Perhaps something could be arranged with Newegg <or other vendors> that would obfuscate the address to the donor and still get components shipped to the S@H crew.

Amazon does this with their wish list system.
5514) Message boards : Number crunching : Question (Message 1075045)
Posted 7 Feb 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The throughput you can get from graphics cards is phenomenal. I've had my new rig running for around two months now and in that time it has equalled my total output from the last seven years.
I can definitely recommend dropping in an extra card or two. The price/performance is incredible. My thoughts are that anyone running an older machine just for crunching should be strongly recommended to switch them off to save on their power bill and invest in an extra graphics card for their main machine and watch their RAC go up.


New hardware is always better. Example: My old Athlon 2600+ needs 120w at full load and costs me (0.15€/Kwh) about 150€/year at 24/7. My quad AMD is 6 times more eficient (considered all cores running @ 160 watts doing 8 times the work). In other words it does the same amount of work for 25€/year energy. Every year it spares 125€ and after 1,5 years it paid itsself.
With the new AMD app my ATI 4870 is 6 times faster then one core but needs 6 times more power so no gain but the RAC is 6 times higher at same efficiency. People BUY NEW HARDWARE! The planet and your coutries economy will thank you.

Agreed! About 3 years ago I upgraded my main system, a P4 Northwood 3Ghz, to a E8400 Core 2 Duo just to lower my power usage. It is on 24/7 & just based on the full load draw from both, it has nearly paid for itself. However, since the idle load is much much less I am sure it has more then paid for the upgrade by now. Since I think it has paid for itself. I am looking to upgrade that system sometime this year now!
5515) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (43) Server problems (Message 1075039)
Posted 7 Feb 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Quick question. I was right smack dab in the middle of getting downloads on the i7 and mac when things died. Any chance that the resend will send them back when they get things fixed? Or has it been to long.
They are still showing in my transfer tab, So Im thinking I will get them. But does that depend if the server can still remember where they go to.


If you look at the tasks for the machine in question you can see if they are still listed as "In progress". I added a new machine on friday. It got 13 files to download at some point over the weekend. They are still downloading & are all marked as "In Progress". So I would guess everything is working as expected. If none of your downloading tasks are listed on the site, then I would say it is safe to abort those downloads.

In the "Task click for details" column be sure to click "Show names" so you can compare. You might already know to do this, but added it just in case. :)
5516) Message boards : Number crunching : Strange wu credit (Message 1073495)
Posted 2 Feb 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
This wu really ... also........................

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/workunit.php?wuid=691649276

[edit]I'll say it out loud..........this credit new system is not working!

That AP looks like it was a quick one to me. It only ran for about 9 hours on the Q6600.
5517) Message boards : Number crunching : Super Bowl Donation Drive for S@H (Message 1073494)
Posted 2 Feb 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Only two people have signed up for this - doesn't anyone here watch football?
Todd

I would tend to think a large portion of computery/nerdy people are not into watching sports. I'm just guessing based on people I know and only a small portion of the people we have in engineering ever talk about sporting things. I think this is a neat idea though!
5518) Message boards : Number crunching : How to get more work for GPU astropulse (Message 1073145)
Posted 1 Feb 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have this settings already Perryjay.
Thats why i´m so frustrated.

Had to crunch my cache down first.
Now i fetched work and again only got MB units.

There should be an option to fetch only AP work.

But how it comes?
There are 7000 ready to send but i dont get one.
Thats not understandable.


For my machine that are allowed to run AP I have set.
Run only the selected applications
SETI@home Enhanced: no
Astropulse v5: yes
Astropulse v5.05: yes
 
If no work for selected applications is available, accept work from other applications?
yes

About every 3rd time they request tasks they get 1 AP.
5519) Message boards : Number crunching : My Ignorance.... (Message 1071654)
Posted 28 Jan 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hmmm odd. I would think maybe the windows firewall is causing a problem for you, but I wouldn't think it would work for a few days then stop. If you are using the windows firewall you could double check that boincmager.exe is allowed or port 31416.
5520) Message boards : Number crunching : My Ignorance.... (Message 1071624)
Posted 28 Jan 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
From BOINC Manager have you tried selecting "Advanced" > "Select Computer", leaving the host & password boxes empty, press the OK button. You can also enter localhost in the Hostname box if you would like. This should tell the manager to connect to the local instance of BOINC.
5521) Message boards : Number crunching : Intel ratios for "locked" cpus. (Message 1071278)
Posted 27 Jan 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I'm not too sure what ET6 is or can do. He knows how to set his options he's just wondering what the range was, it's all in the bios.



Sorry BeNt,

I was replying to Hal9000's post that begins, "Rechecking the BIOS for my GA-EP45T-UD3P".

I interpreted what he said as he wanted to set different maximum multipliers (less than 9) just to see if the cpu/BIOS would allow it. ET6 is Gigabytes Easy Tune 6 utility. It attempts to be an all-in-one information, temperature, speed-up type thing. Does it all. Or tries to.

Martin


I have never really been one for "overclocking utilities" normally I just change what I need in the BOIS. I'll probably replace my e8400 system sometime this year anyway. That is one of the reasons I was hopping someone might know where to find the info about all the ratios supported. So I could plan my new system with things like that in mind.
5522) Message boards : Number crunching : Automatic shutdown and restart? (Message 1071275)
Posted 27 Jan 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
One old fart to another - I think you are wise not to use the /f option as it does sound a bit too risky. Calling shutdown without /f and having a controlled shutdown is so much tidier in my mind than just splatting everything and hoping that it has survived, nine times out of ten it will, but on tenth.....

That is the main reason for many of my questions.
Boinc has been known to wreck itself if not allowed to shut down in an orderly fashion and write what it needs to save to disk properly.


If you go ahead with the boinccmd.exe --quit command before shutdown you wouldn't need to worry about the /f switch. As BOINC would not be running when you shutdown. As others were pointing out that seems to be the safest way to close BOINC.
5523) Message boards : Number crunching : Intel ratios for "locked" cpus. (Message 1070717)
Posted 26 Jan 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
e8400: 6-9 in .5 increments on my motherboard, Asus Rampage and on my MSI Neo.
i7-860: 19-22 I believe, however the default clock for it would be 21x133 = 2793. I don't think you would need anything more, because people are hitting high number with it with a FSB or BLK clock. I mean just the bus clock being changed from 133 to 200 would mean you would have a 4.2GHz chip!


I know my I7-860 can go as low at 9 since it is there right now running at a blazing 1.2GHz! lol It is my HTPC at the moment. So low idle temp & such are more what I want for it.
I have the bios set for 22 instead of the default 21. So when it isn't idle it will run 2.93GHz w/o problems. While in windows I can adjust the "min processor state" in the power options & watch the cpu ratio go up in whole numbers. 9.0, 10.0, 11.0, ect...

I was just wanting to see if the info Intel once gave us was out where somewhere. On my gigabyte GA-EP45T-UD3P I can set any ratio I want in the BIOS for my E8400, but only 6 & 9 actually do anything for me. That is why I was trying to find out what values were allowed via speedstep & such.


Rechecking the BIOS for my GA-EP45T-UD3P I can set 6.0, 7.0, 7.5, 8.0, 8.5, & 9.0 for my E8400. All settings 6.0-8.5 display 2.00GHz after I save the settings and exit the bios. Then once in windows watching the CPU with CPUz shows the CPU never leaves 2.0GHz with a ratio of 6.0. With the bios ratio set to 9.0 I can have the CPU idle at 2.0GHz with a ratio of 6.0 but when needed it goes up to 3.0GHz wit the 9 ratio. It is like the 7.0, 7.5, 8.0, & 8.5 ratios are not able to be used for me for some reason.
5524) Message boards : Number crunching : Automatic shutdown and restart? (Message 1070713)
Posted 26 Jan 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
What I am curious about is if the f switch will immediately force Boinc shutdown or if the t switch timeout will take precedence, or if nothing will happen at all until the timeout occurs and then shutdown starts.

If you use the (previously mentioned)
"C:\Program Files\BOINC\boinccmd.exe" --quit
command before the shutdown command, it doesn't matter if the shutdown forces BOINC down immediately or not, because it's finished anyway. ;-)

Gruß,
Gundolf


Yeah and set this as well as what we mentioned above in a batch file, and it will shut down Boinc and then shut down the computer. Both cleanly. But I guess people just skip parts of the thread when reading?

In cmd, "shutdown/?" will tell you everything you need to know about the command.


I am guilty of not reading all the posts in a thread. When I come into a convo late & see "Only the first post and the last 15 posts (of the 43 posts in this thread) are displayed. Click here to also display the remaining posts." I just am to lazy to read everything. lol

In my testing at work yesterday on a machine running BOINC I did not see any issues with letting windows close BOINC. However, with GPUs tasks there might be some other weirdness I did not see on the machine I was testing with.

I did notice that "boinccmd.exe --quit" will leave boincmgr.exe open. So "taskkill /F /IM boincmgr.exe /T" might also be desired to be in the shutdown bat file. If all parts were desired to be closed before telling windows to shutdown.

"C:\Program Files\BOINC\boinccmd.exe" --quit
taskkill /F /IM boincmgr.exe /T
shutdown -s -f -t 0
5525) Message boards : Number crunching : Intel ratios for "locked" cpus. (Message 1070708)
Posted 26 Jan 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
e8400: 6-9 in .5 increments on my motherboard, Asus Rampage and on my MSI Neo.
i7-860: 19-22 I believe, however the default clock for it would be 21x133 = 2793. I don't think you would need anything more, because people are hitting high number with it with a FSB or BLK clock. I mean just the bus clock being changed from 133 to 200 would mean you would have a 4.2GHz chip!


I know my I7-860 can go as low at 9 since it is there right now running at a blazing 1.2GHz! lol It is my HTPC at the moment. So low idle temp & such are more what I want for it.
I have the bios set for 22 instead of the default 21. So when it isn't idle it will run 2.93GHz w/o problems. While in windows I can adjust the "min processor state" in the power options & watch the cpu ratio go up in whole numbers. 9.0, 10.0, 11.0, ect...

I was just wanting to see if the info Intel once gave us was out where somewhere. On my gigabyte GA-EP45T-UD3P I can set any ratio I want in the BIOS for my E8400, but only 6 & 9 actually do anything for me. That is why I was trying to find out what values were allowed via speedstep & such.
5526) Message boards : Number crunching : Automatic shutdown and restart? (Message 1070553)
Posted 25 Jan 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Won't have much time to play with this until this weekend, but I did a little looking around and it doesn't look like my original plan will work quite as wished.

I was gonna use shutdown.exe and scheduled tasks in Windows to do it, but I would like the shutdown to occur only Monday thru Friday, as weekends are off-peak power.
And it looks like the only option in scheduled tasks is daily, weekly, etc. or at a single time.



If you select Daily in the Scheduled Task Wizard the next option will allow you to select "Every Day", "Weekdays", or "Every n days"

Oh, thank you HAL9000!!
I had not taken it any further than looking at the initial window.
That might work out OK then.
The other thing that will come up next is the order of the switches available.

Namely, s, f, and t.


Usage: shutdown [-i | -l | -s | -r | -a] [-f] [-m \\computername] [-t xx] [-c "comment"] [-d up:xx:yy]

No args Display this message (same as -?)
-i Display GUI interface, must be the first option
-l Log off (cannot be used with -m option)
-s Shutdown the computer
-r Shutdown and restart the computer
-a Abort a system shutdown
-m \\computername Remote computer to shutdown/restart/abort
-t xx Set timeout for shutdown to xx seconds
-c “comment” Shutdown comment (maximum of 127 characters)
-f Forces running applications to close without warning
-d [u][p]:xx:yy The reason code for the shutdown
u is the user code
p is a planned shutdown code
xx is the major reason code (positive integer less than 256)
yy is the minor reason code (positive integer less than 65536)

S, of course is needed, and would be first.
Could the t option be placed before the f option to give Boinc a little extra time to sort before forcing it to close? Or does it have to be after, as shown in the example?


Yeah I left out the S parameter as I was just doing it from memory. looking in the bat file I have shutdown -s -t 0. The order of the commands doesn't matter. I just tried shutdown -t 0 -s on another machine to confirm it.

Well....that's what I will try then.....
What I am curious about is if the f switch will immediately force Boinc shutdown or if the t switch timeout will take precedence, or if nothing will happen at all until the timeout occurs and then shutdown starts.
Does that make sense to you?
It's a logic thing.
Will programs start shutting down before the timeout occurs and the timeout is how long Windows waits to actually shutdown?
Or will nothing happen at all when shutdown.exe starts until after the timeout?



I ran shutdown -t 0 -s on a machine running BOINC and there was no delay. It was off in 7 seconds. So I would guess shutdown is reading all the parameters specified regardless of order, but if you think it might matter you can put them in the order listed by MS. shutdown -s -f -t 0 for a local machine. If you want 1 master machine to turn all of the others off you could have a bat file like this:
shutdown -s -f -m \\192.168.1.11 -t 0
shutdown -s -f -m \\192.168.1.12 -t 0
shutdown -s -f -m \\192.168.1.13 -t 0
shutdown -s -f -m \\192.168.1.14 -t 0
shutdown -s -f -t 0
Where the last entry would shutdown the local machine. Sometimes I have problems using the command remotely. Like the packet just goes poof in the network & the machine never gets it. Since you are doing this to save power/money the surest bet is to implement this on each machine.
5527) Message boards : Number crunching : Automatic shutdown and restart? (Message 1070550)
Posted 25 Jan 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Won't have much time to play with this until this weekend, but I did a little looking around and it doesn't look like my original plan will work quite as wished.

I was gonna use shutdown.exe and scheduled tasks in Windows to do it, but I would like the shutdown to occur only Monday thru Friday, as weekends are off-peak power.
And it looks like the only option in scheduled tasks is daily, weekly, etc. or at a single time.



If you select Daily in the Scheduled Task Wizard the next option will allow you to select "Every Day", "Weekdays", or "Every n days"

Oh, thank you HAL9000!!
I had not taken it any further than looking at the initial window.
That might work out OK then.
The other thing that will come up next is the order of the switches available.

Namely, s, f, and t.


Usage: shutdown [-i | -l | -s | -r | -a] [-f] [-m \\computername] [-t xx] [-c "comment"] [-d up:xx:yy]

No args Display this message (same as -?)
-i Display GUI interface, must be the first option
-l Log off (cannot be used with -m option)
-s Shutdown the computer
-r Shutdown and restart the computer
-a Abort a system shutdown
-m \\computername Remote computer to shutdown/restart/abort
-t xx Set timeout for shutdown to xx seconds
-c “comment” Shutdown comment (maximum of 127 characters)
-f Forces running applications to close without warning
-d [u][p]:xx:yy The reason code for the shutdown
u is the user code
p is a planned shutdown code
xx is the major reason code (positive integer less than 256)
yy is the minor reason code (positive integer less than 65536)

S, of course is needed, and would be first.
Could the t option be placed before the f option to give Boinc a little extra time to sort before forcing it to close? Or does it have to be after, as shown in the example?


Yeah I left out the S parameter as I was just doing it from memory. looking in the bat file I have shutdown -s -t 0. The order of the commands doesn't matter. I just tried shutdown -t 0 -s on another machine to confirm it.
5528) Message boards : Number crunching : Automatic shutdown and restart? (Message 1070540)
Posted 25 Jan 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Won't have much time to play with this until this weekend, but I did a little looking around and it doesn't look like my original plan will work quite as wished.

I was gonna use shutdown.exe and scheduled tasks in Windows to do it, but I would like the shutdown to occur only Monday thru Friday, as weekends are off-peak power.
And it looks like the only option in scheduled tasks is daily, weekly, etc. or at a single time.



If you select Daily in the Scheduled Task Wizard the next option will allow you to select "Every Day", "Weekdays", or "Every n days".

Also I use this in a bat file with "shutdown /t 0" for a few machines that get turned off over the weekend at work.
5529) Message boards : Number crunching : Intel ratios for "locked" cpus. (Message 1070538)
Posted 25 Jan 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:


Don't forget your motherboard BIOS is going to have the final say on what ratios you can actually set. My old Gigabyte ep43 board originally allowed 6-9.5, in .5 increments, for my e8400. Somewhere along the line the BIOS updates removed 6.5 and 9.5. There's no problem with removing 9.5 since that is not a cpu option, but 6.5 should be doable by the cpu if the mobo's BIOS would allow it.

Martin


My P45 Gigabyte board only allows 6 & 9 for my E8400 so I can do 2GHz or 3GHz with the default BCLK. That could be all the values Intel allows for E8400. I'm not sure. I can't find any documentation listing what is allowed via the speedstep ratios.
5530) Message boards : Number crunching : Intel ratios for "locked" cpus. (Message 1070519)
Posted 25 Jan 2011 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Does anyone know where I can find the all the allowed ratio values for the non-unlocked Intel cpus. I was pretty sure Intel had these on their http://processorfinder.intel.com site until they switched it over to http://ark.intel.com. Now they only publish the default ratio value.

At the moment I am trying to find the values for my I7-860 & Core 2 E8400, but if they moved all the info to another place that someone knows that would be great info.

Thanks
5531) Message boards : Number crunching : Closed *SETI/BOINC Milestones [ v2.0 ] - XXI* Closed (Message 1060508)
Posted 28 Dec 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
YAY, 14,000,000 & counting!
5532) Message boards : Number crunching : CPU upgrade advice needed.................... (Message 1053892)
Posted 8 Dec 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The Q9505 is the same chip as the Q9550 with half the cache & closer to $230. It might be something the think about.
If you want to compare CPUs Intel changed their processor finder site to http://ark.intel.com
5533) Message boards : Number crunching : Low Cost Green Electrical Power in California (Message 1053205)
Posted 5 Dec 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The past few months the local power company, PSEG, has been placing solar panels on the telephone/power poles. They got a loan from the state to do it, and claimed that it will save money. By not requiring them to update the transmission lines for a greater length of time. The odd part about that is they just spent the previous year updating the transmission lines everywhere.
5534) Message boards : Number crunching : What to look for in motherbroads (Message 1049689)
Posted 19 Nov 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
What to look for in motherbroads. I am going to build a pc intel i7 980 but cannot find info on good motherboards, it will have 2 ati graphics cards and main use games,cruching,and a little home work.
It will be my first build i am very new to computers.
Motherboards are the only thing that i can not lots of info on, but i have a feeling that its an important decision.


You might want to look over some of the articles at toms hardware.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/Components,1/Motherboards,2

They have done comparisons between things like the 900 series & 800 series i7 boards with multi video cards. To find out at what point the 900 series' increased bandwidth actually start to matter. I am not in AMD systems myself, but they have topics about them as well.

Based of their, and several other peoples, test results between the two i7 series I went with the i7-860 for my newest system back in Jan. As I wasn't going to be building a 3 or 4 GPU uber gaming system the 900 series was just extra money in my situation.
5535) Message boards : Number crunching : Crap II.... (Message 1049686)
Posted 19 Nov 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Oh, crap.

I now have a working computer with freaking Win7 on it.....

I am at a loss.

'Classic view'???

Not like any classic view I ever saw.

It takes off on a whim without asking....

Hit the wrong icon and you are off into the hinterland.

The network thingy does not even give me the option of having the cute little indicators of activity in the taskbar.

I suspect I am gonna be pissed for quite some time now.
I am gonna go puke......unless I instill some whiskey to calm me down.

Meoooowwrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.


You might have already found it, but in the event you have not. The task bar network icon is located in "Control Panel\All Control Panel Items\Notification Area Icons" now. I really don't see why they have to rename and/or move options around in each OS release.

At work I have documents for my coworkers of what is where & the 817 steps it takes to do what took 1 in the previous OS. My Vista & 2008 document is 17 pages long. The Windows 7 & 2008 R2 document is only about 12 so far.
5536) Message boards : Number crunching : NNT or Suspend? (Message 1045117)
Posted 30 Oct 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I set NNT. I manually fix DCF on the machines as needed anyway. So if it does somehow get effected I am not to worried.
5537) Message boards : Number crunching : Request for Account page display (Message 1045114)
Posted 30 Oct 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
IIRC The show active tasks & pending information is done live when it is requested. Otherwise trying to process all of that data for all users all the time wouldn't leave any free CPU time to run the project. The new servers may have enough overhead for them to run a process that could update a display every n hours or once a day.
5538) Message boards : Number crunching : Name the newest member to the server family!!! (Message 1044845)
Posted 29 Oct 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Since they are getting two twins in, and since we're looking at the stars, Castor and Polydeuces (or Pollux) for the Gemini constellation for the both of them.

That is a nice idea. Gemini I & Gemini II or Castor & Pollux.
5539) Message boards : Number crunching : Name the newest member to the server family!!! (Message 1044727)
Posted 29 Oct 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Homer & Marge
Yeah I know it's not sci-fi related, but I think Homers "DOH!" is highly relevant. lol
5540) Message boards : Technical News : mork (Message 1043566)
Posted 22 Oct 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
it ran 24/7 without crashing/rebooting while BOINC was running the CPUs full tilt. If BOINC was closed the random reboots would start again.

This exact thing happened to me once, running SetiClassic. It turned out to be a CPU that was on the brink of failing.

HTH, Ray

Yeah I was thinking for a time that maybe one, or more, of the xeon CPUs was going kaput. However after trying each of the 4 CPUs, and VRMs, one at a time in the chassis I ruled that out. The only thing left would be the main board in the system.
5541) Message boards : Number crunching : I am getting resent lost tasks.....meow! (Message 1042442)
Posted 15 Oct 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have seen at least 2 groups of 20 lost tasks (ghosts) resent to me on 2 different rigs.

I hope this continues on this server run.

It would be great if we could see some impact on the database size due to the resends.

The kitties will be happy to crunch up all lost kibble they can get!!!


I checked the logs for all of my machines & stopped counting at 200 resends. Glad to see the resend operation humming along.
5542) Message boards : Number crunching : 2 projects simultaneously? (Message 1042363)
Posted 15 Oct 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I was running Collatz & Seti@Home AP tasks on my ATI 3850 at the same time, but I only had 1 GPU. So the two switch back and forth as well as they could with the same resource allocation.

At this point in time I don't think BOINC has a function to limit resources per project. That is something I would like to see, but I'm not how it would get implemented.

Something like use at most % of processors.

Project 1: 25% CPU 0% GPU
Project 2: 50% CPU 50% GPU
Project 3: 100% CPU 0% GPU
Project 4: 25% CPU 100% GPU

This would need to be a restriction operating under the global restriction. So if the global BOINC setting was to limit BOINC to using 50% of a machines CPUs on an 8 CPU system. Then the above settings would limit project 1 & 4 to 1 CPU, project 2 up to 2 CPUs, & project 4 to 4 CPUs.

If project 1 was the only one that had work then 75% of the machines CPUs would be idle. So it would be a trade off I suppose.


I don't know..
Maybe it would be possible to use the 'home/work/school' locations for to divide the CPU/share projects over the Cores?

Maybe at project A 2 CPUs (CPU-Cores) at home.
Maybe at project B 2 CPUs (CPU-Cores) at work.

And at the projects set the different host locations.

But, how with more GPUs?


BOINC, since v6.2.2, does have an option to allow more then one client to run on one machine with separate data folders. --allow_multiple_clients You could configure 1 client with S@H & another client with MW@H. Then each BOINC client could be configured to only use 1/2 of the computers resources.
5543) Message boards : Number crunching : Exporting Stats? (Message 1042357)
Posted 15 Oct 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Looks like 2,595,394 for the kitties!!

And a bunch more on the way for the next update.....


WTG! I only managed 840,794in the last update. If the stats are generated again tomorrow we might see a 2nd large spike.
5544) Message boards : Number crunching : Cricket Graphs (Message 1042339)
Posted 15 Oct 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I keep seeing you guys talk about the Cricket Graphs. Can someone give me the addresses for the graphs please?

TIA

For your perusal....
The Cricket graphs...
Note that the graph label 'in' is actually outbound, and vice versa.


The in and out being opposite of what you would think always threw me off when I first starting using things like MRTG to get network stats.
5545) Message boards : Number crunching : 2 projects simultaneously? (Message 1042338)
Posted 15 Oct 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I was running Collatz & Seti@Home AP tasks on my ATI 3850 at the same time, but I only had 1 GPU. So the two switch back and forth as well as they could with the same resource allocation.

At this point in time I don't think BOINC has a function to limit resources per project. That is something I would like to see, but I'm not how it would get implemented.

Something like use at most % of processors.

Project 1: 25% CPU 0% GPU
Project 2: 50% CPU 50% GPU
Project 3: 100% CPU 0% GPU
Project 4: 25% CPU 100% GPU

This would need to be a restriction operating under the global restriction. So if the global BOINC setting was to limit BOINC to using 50% of a machines CPUs on an 8 CPU system. Then the above settings would limit project 1 & 4 to 1 CPU, project 2 up to 2 CPUs, & project 4 to 4 CPUs.

If project 1 was the only one that had work then 75% of the machines CPUs would be idle. So it would be a trade off I suppose.
5546) Message boards : Technical News : mork (Message 1042199)
Posted 15 Oct 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I love weird H/W issues. We were using an old Compaq ProLiant 5500 server at work that was handed down from our IS department. One day it started randomly crashing/rebooting. Sometimes it would be up for a minute or 6-7 days. We tried reinstalling the OS several times, swapping out both of it's redundant PSUs, pulling out each of the 4 CPU & running the system with only 1 at a time, swapping out memory riser boards & RAM dimms, & swapping out SCSI controllers & drives.

Finally after all of that & several months of troubleshooting we gave up. I installed BOINC on the system & let it run to see what would happen. Turns out that it ran 24/7 without crashing/rebooting while BOINC was running the CPUs full tilt. If BOINC was closed the random reboots would start again.

So we left BOINC on and ran it as part of our infrastructure for 15 more months w/o a single issue. Recently I retired it from use as we got some newer more powerful, and MUCH quieter, machines.
5547) Message boards : Number crunching : what if????? (Message 1039732)
Posted 8 Oct 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
hmmm.... Seti@Home FB page?
5548) Message boards : Number crunching : Is anybody else getting this problem? (Message 1039140)
Posted 7 Oct 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
From the Front page:

Weekly Outage and Initial Catch Up
Every Tuesday morning (Pacific time) we begin a 3 day data distribution outage to focus on science processing and development plus any needed systems maintenance. The upload/download servers will be offline during this time. The web site (including the forums) will only be offline during the database maintenance and backup portion of the outage. On Friday, you may experience connectivity issues as the servers catch up with demand. 5 Oct 2010 16:34:36 UTC


Claggy


Only problem with that is it's his BOINC client complaining it can't reach the internet, not that it can't reach the SETI servers.


If you are getting the pop-up warning you can change the Network reminder interval to 0 then it will stop doing that.
5549) Message boards : Number crunching : Quiting (Message 1038885)
Posted 6 Oct 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
When the project is down for an outage of 3 days which is the norm now.
The admins have not changed the message.
It still says that on a Tuesday there is an outage of 3 to 4 hours.
This is not usefull for anyone that is checking.
It would only take a few mins to change it, it looks like they can't be bothered to ammend even the simplest of messages.
This is just one of a number of things that could be done to make it look a bit more professional.

Dave


For the past few weeks I have been seeing this message.

Weekly Outage and Initial Catch Up
Every Tuesday morning (Pacific time) we begin a 3 day data distribution outage to focus on science processing and development plus any needed systems maintenance. The upload/download servers will be offline during this time. The web site (including the forums) will only be offline during the database maintenance and backup portion of the outage. On Friday, you may experience connectivity issues as the servers catch up with demand. 5 Oct 2010 16:34:36 UTC
5550) Message boards : Number crunching : Help needed building efficient diskless deticated system (Message 1038880)
Posted 6 Oct 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Somethign else to consider for storage might be an SDHC card. I have seen SATA & PATA to SDHC adaptors. However, I am not sure if it would be any cheaper then a good old USB flash.

Looking at the top hosts list I came across this system.

Using that as sort of a reference point. The next CPU up from a 920, or maybe even an i7-8xx, might get the job done for you. From the i7 systems I have an 860 cpu runs 7000-9000 RAC for just the CPU depanding on the workload.

Getting a micro atx board without a lot of features you may never use would be a suggestion. I am not sure what you may or may not have in your market area.
5551) Message boards : Number crunching : Quiting (Message 1038853)
Posted 6 Oct 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I can understand how you feel. When they switched over to BOINC I refused to use it as I thought it was rather awful. So I took a 4.5 year break.

As I am not trying to process as possible by using a bunch of GPUs. I just let my machines do whatever on their own which works out ok for me. Sometimes I check to see if the machines are running each day & other times I don't check them for 3 or 4 days.
5552) Message boards : Number crunching : Closed *SETI/BOINC Milestones [ v2.0 ] - XXI* Closed (Message 1038849)
Posted 6 Oct 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
78 million for the kitty clan..............
And counting.

All Seti...all the time.

And ...OMG...20,000 posts.

All those little kitteh ears sure are picking up a lot of signals.
5553) Message boards : Number crunching : Fast PC Boot? (Message 1037925)
Posted 1 Oct 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Are you kidding me? My Am486DX/5 133MHz system can boot PC DOS 7.0 in about 15 seconds. ;-p

I've got an old 32MB USB flash drive to boot DOS from. That bugger does indeed boot REALLY fast. lol
5554) Message boards : Number crunching : Fast PC Boot? (Message 1037916)
Posted 1 Oct 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I remember all the big news back when Intel rolled out EFI and how it was going to change everything. Sadly Apple was really the only one that adopted it.

Speed wise I'm not sure if UEFI will help much with boot times. With the stuff that gets added to the system boards the start delay can really add up. The i7 motherboard I use for my HTPC has 3 raid controllers in it. Even tho the 2nd controller is just for eSATA ports it has a delay on start-up to check for devices.

My old 3GHz P4 system with XP, Vista, or Win7 would boot in about 45 seconds. Thanks to not using a build in RAID controller & a WD Raptor boot disc.
5555) Message boards : Number crunching : All green on the western front...... (Message 1034991)
Posted 20 Sep 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Server status now shows all green!!!
They must have got the AC unit back up to speed.
Crickey graphs are showing full bore outbound.

Wonder how long this will stay glued together....LOL.

They have money for glue now? :)
5556) Message boards : Number crunching : Cool runnin? (Message 1033087)
Posted 15 Sep 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
"Air Conditioning Update (Wednesday): The air conditioning in our server closet failed on Saturday, causing several of our important machines to overheat. Most servers and services were immediately shut down to prevent damage and mostly remained down as initial attempts to fix the air conditioning system failed and new parts are being ordered. We just started the project up to help clear some pipes but some services will remain off, and the rest may go off again at any time. Sorry for the confusion/inconvenience.
"
Sounds like we will be going down again soon.

And that Weenie in the warp drive is not helping.


Yes it does seem so. I was also thinking of Star Drek lol
5557) Message boards : Number crunching : Welcome to the 11 year club (Message 1033085)
Posted 15 Sep 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
11 Years & 11M credits... how very odd.
5558) Message boards : Number crunching : got another number (Message 1029944)
Posted 31 Aug 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
It is funny I moved my accounts to a new machine and I kept my old machine number. I have moved from a 2006 mac mini to a 2010 mac mini with a CUDA capable GPU and improved CPU more RAM and it thought it was the same machine. I moved the account with Apple's setup wizard.


I've moved stuff from one machine to another several times w/o having any problems. The first time the new machines contacts the server all the information gets updated.
Normally I will run the queue out on the older machine first so I can switch to the newer opt ap, but sometimes I let the new machine process the old machines data.
One problem that you can run into in doing this is if you are going from an x86 windows OS to a x64 one. BOINC doesn't seem to care for this and dumps all the work in the queue.
5559) Message boards : Number crunching : Virtual Server (Message 1025848)
Posted 17 Aug 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
You could configure one of your machiens so that you can remote into it via something such as VNC. Then from that machine would could access your other machiens or VMs. Another option would require that your router let you configure some forwarding things. So you could come in on xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx:1234 and be forwarded to 192.168.1.1:31416.
5560) Message boards : Number crunching : 64-bit Windows (Message 1025846)
Posted 17 Aug 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have found very little if any difference between x86 & x64 OS's. To really compare the two platforms you would need to run the same work units several times in both platforms. Once you start running the same tasks over and over you will notice their completion times are not always the same. I haven't been able to do that in a while. Since BOINC 6.10.x whenever I change platforms it likes to dump the whole queue & I'm not sure what tweaks to do to keep it from doing that.
Most of my machiens are setup with ghost images so that the OS can be changed in 2-3 minutes. With BOINC living on the 2nd partition do it does not get effected by the OS changing.
5561) Message boards : Number crunching : BFG Warranty is officially worthless (Message 1025841)
Posted 17 Aug 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I had always heard really good things about BFG. So back when the 8800 was a newer card I ordered a BFG one. I had nothing but problem with it & after exchanging 5 from the place I had bought it from I switched back to an ATI card. I also had problem with the BFG power supply I had ordered for another system. It would never power on the system. That time I only exchanged it 3 times before calling it quits.
Then after looking into reviews more I found a lot of BFG products working out of the box was hit or miss.
I know there are lot of people that love their products & swear by them. I just wish I had a better experience with them.
5562) Message boards : Number crunching : BOINC 6.12.26 released to public (Message 1025557)
Posted 16 Aug 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Did they ever fix BOINC v6.x not working on Windows Domain Controllers?

If you want to run BOINC as an application instead of a service it runs fine, but the installer blocks the install. I just copy the program folder from an installed machine to the DC. Then run boincmgr.exe
5563) Message boards : Number crunching : Servers up and running (Message 1020823)
Posted 30 Jul 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Looks like maybe we killed Bruno! :-(


We?

Don't blame me, the only thing I did was to upload and report about 75 WU's :-)


No one said it was your fault. We are just going to blame you! :) lol
5564) Message boards : Number crunching : Cannot get GPU units (Message 1020822)
Posted 30 Jul 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Long ago I got tired of issues with BOINC deciding to download way to much GPU or or for no reason decided not to download any. By that I mean It wouldn't even request GPU work when it had zero. So I have just been downloading CPU work & using reschedule. It gets the work done and back home.
5565) Message boards : Number crunching : Which temp. (Message 1018812)
Posted 23 Jul 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I like CPUIDs Hardware Monitor. It gives the CPU case temp as well as the core temps as well as your GPUs & HDs.
5566) Message boards : Number crunching : Any Ideas ... (Message 1017915)
Posted 20 Jul 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Can you see your pending's? My pending page has been blank since the servers came back up on Friday.

I thought they must have turned them off to ease the server load.....

Last time the page worked it showed just over 500K, normally it sits around 300k

T.A.

Mine are showing up. Maybe you just have reached some sort of limit & the pages gets to the limit and just stops instead of showing s message like "you have to many pendings to display"
Edit: I'm only at ~250k
5567) Message boards : Number crunching : What can we do to minimize outage impact? (Message 1017912)
Posted 20 Jul 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I already have another project, Rosetta. Since the Rosetta WUs generally take 18 to 30 hours to process, I guess I could turn off network communications for the duration of the outage. The BOINC local preferences seem to have a negative reversal of anti-meaning, which makes them hard to understand.

I suppose if I have 4 days of Rosetta, I can do without communicating with either project for a while, but it's not my first choice. I think what I'll try to do is turn off network communication with the local preferences for 1 day (maybe Wednesday) and see how that goes.

What I'd like is to be able to override my network preference with a manual Update from BOINC. I'll see if that works.


You might want to check out the thread Prefs: Day-of-week override.
5568) Message boards : Number crunching : 7/17/2010 schedule "Limit" (Message 1017698)
Posted 19 Jul 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Yes - see tech news.

I recognize that we are not yet managing these server runs with clear, measurable, goals to aim towards. And that it would be good to have such goals. It's been a bit seat of the pants thus far.


Why not to decrease the max. WU cache size from 10 to 5 days?

I guess then we wouldn't see so much (maxed out) traffic and all hosts have the change to fill up a 5 day WU cache for to bridge planned and unplanned outages.

I think it's worth to try it.

I wish the cache setting was per project instead of a BOINC global setting. I'd also like to be able to dedicate resources to a project. In an 8 core system always give Project A at least 4 cores, Project B at least 2 cores, & 2 cores to be used where needed. However, That isn't how they designed the system to work.
5569) Message boards : Number crunching : Server problem - WU allocated but not downloaded (Message 1017695)
Posted 19 Jul 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thanks for that. Never noticed it before.
Srill concerned about the time BOINC say Wu will take to complete.

That should fix itself over time. Each time you complete a CPU tack it readjusts the estimated time..... or maybe that is off again. They have been messing around a bit recently so it is hard to say.
5570) Message boards : Number crunching : Overclocking and errors/inconclusive (Message 1017693)
Posted 19 Jul 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hi all,

I noticed that some of my WUs that were processed with CUDA ended up with the message "Completed, validation inconclusive" so I searched the forums for what this might mean. It looks like some people have suggested that this could result from overclocking the GPU and it subtly overheating. Indeed I had overclocked my GPU until recently when I noticed that it was causing some slight instability. I was not aware that overclocking could lead to invalid results -- is this generally accepted to be the case now? I have set my GPU back to its normal settings anyway, but my CPU is still overclocked as well. Is this putting the validity of my WUs at risk?

Thanks,
Joel


I see that happen every now and then. Most of the time when I look it is one of my systems running the stock CPU app and the other person ran an optimized GPU app. I don't spend a great deal of time looking into it as I only see a small % of the total amount that I am doing in this state.
5571) Message boards : Number crunching : Server problem - WU allocated but not downloaded (Message 1017690)
Posted 19 Jul 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
It's ok it's a ghost WU. It happens...often. There isn't a lot you can do about it. Other then detaching & reattaching. It doesn't hurt anything in anyway what so ever. The system is built in a way to take care of it on its own.

The data you see on the website isn't exactly live. It comes from the replica database which could be a few minutes behind.

Also there are times when the servers go down, the internet connection gets broken, or something else happens.
5572) Message boards : Number crunching : Task Selection and Switching (Message 1017564)
Posted 19 Jul 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
All of which give ~30% of your computers time to Einstein & SETI with ~60% to LCH.

I think that should read ~40% to LCH (100/2.6=38.4615); otherwise you get a sum of 120% ;-)

Gruß,
Gundolf

lol, Yeah. That is what happens when I rewrite what I am saying. Then don't reread it afterward. I think originally I had wrote something like "those add up to 60% leaving the rest to LHC". Luckily you caught it for me :)
5573) Message boards : Number crunching : Ok, who broke the Cricket Graphs? (Message 1017563)
Posted 19 Jul 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
http://fragment1.berkeley.edu/newcricket/grapher.cgi?target=%2Frouter-interfaces%2Finr-250%2Fgigabitethernet2_3;view=Octets;ranges=d

The server at fragment1.berkeley.edu is taking too long to respond.


Yesterday, the 18th, I was getting "your request is taking to long" for about 1/3 of the websites I tried to go to. I was suspecting routing issues between the eats and west coast. Today things are fine however.
5574) Message boards : Number crunching : Task Selection and Switching (Message 1016868)
Posted 17 Jul 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
BOINC uses a scheduling system that involves running up "debt". So one project might run more then another one for a while. Then that projects will be idle while another one runs trying to zero out that projects built up debt. If BOINc thinks it might not have enough time to get work done and a deadline is getting close it switch to the project with nearer deadlines.
Also your values of '80 Einstein, 100 LCH, & 80 SETI' could be '8 Einstein, 10 LCH, & 8 SETI' or '800 Einstein, 1000 LCH, & 800 SETI'. All of which give ~30% of your computers time to Einstein & SETI with ~60% to LCH.
5575) Message boards : Number crunching : Prefs: Day-of-week override (Message 1016853)
Posted 17 Jul 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Yes I thought about doing it the other way, but I am lazy. I just didn't want to spend the time to check off one more day. lol
Mostly that had to do with the fact I was setting several machines, so the fewer steps I had to do per machine was preferable.

All those dialog settings are merely a simple GUI (user interface) for maintaining the global_prefs_override.xml file. If you have a lot to do, wouldn't it be quicker, easier (and less prone to error) to create the file once, and copy it to the other machines?

If all the machines used the same override settings it would. It was my first thought to do that, but it would have actually been more work that way.
5576) Message boards : Number crunching : Prefs: Day-of-week override (Message 1016841)
Posted 17 Jul 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
(and I should have said Activity option is set to 'Network activity based on preferences' rather than 'Network always activity always available' which will override preferences)


@HAL9000:
I use close to the same settings there. I have, for EDT:
everyday: 00:00-00:00
Sunday: unchecked
Monday: unchecked
Tuesday: 00:00-14:00
Wednesday: 00:00-00:01
Thursday: 00:00-00:01
Friday: 14:00-23:59
Saturday: unchecked


@Robert Ribbeck:
every day needs to be unequal ie: 00:00-00:01
uncheck the days you don't want any network connection (Wed Thurs)
check the days you want network connection and enter a starttime-endtime
Friday: 14:00-00:00
Saturday: 00:00-00:00
Sunday: 00:00-00:00
Monday: 00:00-00:00
Tuesday: 00:00-14:00
00:00-00:00 seems to work if you want network connection all day
(times are local time 24hr)


Two different approaches to achieve the same result.

HAL is telling S@H that network activity is available all the time EXCEPT when specified (Tuesday PM-Friday AM).

Robert is telling it that network activity is available ONLY when specified (Friday PM-Tuesday AM).

6 of one, half-dozen of the other. Two valid solutions. Whichever works for you.

Yes I thought about doing it the other way, but I am lazy. I just didn't want to spend the time to check off one more day. lol
Mostly that had to do with the fact I was setting several machines, so the fewer steps I had to do per machine was preferable.
5577) Message boards : Number crunching : more delay today it seems.... (Message 1016394)
Posted 16 Jul 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Finally get the work uploaded, but can't report it. Damn brilliant!

If they opened the inlet spigot perhaps that means the router issues have been worked out.
5578) Message boards : Number crunching : Outage schedule change suggestion. (Message 1016392)
Posted 16 Jul 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The suggestion in this thread is based on the kind of problem we are seeing today.

From the front page:

The project down due to a network problem.
We have lost connectivity somewhere between our two routers. One of these routers is located at the Space Sciences Lab and the other at the Peering And Internet eXchange (PAIX) in Palo Alto. Until we get this problem cleared up we cannot distribute new work.

If this happened on Saturday, or if this problem persists into the weekend, we who crunch would be unable to connect for more than half of the week. If there needs to be a three-day upload/download outage, and Pappa has convinced me the need exists, then as soon as possible it should be moved to the weekend.


Then the staff would have to work on the weekend to do the things they try to get done during the tue-fri outage.
My understanding is the extended outage is to have the db free for them to work on things. Which can't be done with everyone using it.
5579) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows LAN connections...? (Message 1016312)
Posted 16 Jul 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:


Whoa........I told you I don't understand this stuff....LOL.

Are they both picking up valid IP addresses? Where would I check that?
I do notice now that they seem to be handing off back and forth once in a while....
One is active for a while, and then the other. Not quickly, maybe when one can't make a connection soon enough, the OS tries the other and then continues with it.





Either bring up a command prompt and run 'ipconfig /all'

or from the Windows start menu go to settings, network connections and for each NIC click on Status and then Support and it will show a screen with the IP address on it.

[Dang my keyboard/mouse switch box has just thrown a wobbly and i cant use the mouse ............ oh - its back again ...]


Hmmph........

I go to network and dial up connections.....it shows both local area connections.

Clicking a bit, it shows goes to properties and such....I don't see any IP given.

I do see something interesting called load balancing...LOL.

For 2000 you would want Network Load Balancing. Which iirc is only supported in advanced server and datacenter. At the moment I am using NLB on an old Pii server storage server with 2 dual 100Mb nics in it. So we get ~800Mb out of it.

5580) Message boards : Number crunching : Prefs: Day-of-week override (Message 1016299)
Posted 16 Jul 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
These are the settings that work for me.................

[IMG]http://i509.photobucket.com/albums/s332/Geek_at_Play/settings.jpg[ /IMG]

Please note the settings in line that says "(no restrictions if equal)"


Ahh, so much easier with a picture. That is pretty much as I have it but with slightly different start times to allow for the time zone difference.

(and I should have said Activity option is set to 'Network activity based on preferences' rather than 'Network always activity always available' which will overrride perferences)


I use close to the same settings there. I have, for EDT:
everyday: 00:00-00:00
Sunday: unchecked
Monday: unchecked
Tuesday: 00:00-14:00
Wednesday: 00:00-00:01
Thursday: 00:00-00:01
Friday: 14:00-23:59
Saturday: unchecked
I wish this could be set on the server side so I didn't have to do it on each machine. :/
5581) Message boards : Number crunching : more delay today it seems.... (Message 1016291)
Posted 16 Jul 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
One of my quads ran dry yesterday, my other quad and my dual core system both have enough work for another few days...

I have no idea why the quad that ran dry didn't DL enough work before the outage, all my systems are set for a 10 day cache...it's no big deal, just annoying...



Nobody really knows.
Because the Boinc bomb drops on us without warning.

Even those that understand that way things work can't keep up with it.

Rather nasty.

Because 1+1=2. Except when it doesn't.
5582) Message boards : Number crunching : Odd dowloading yesterday 07/13, dropped connections (Message 1015847)
Posted 15 Jul 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
When I get up I have to read my drivers license to see WHO I am! The joy's of growing old!

At my work they gave me a badge with my name on it so I can remember who I am. They were also kind enough to put my picture on it in case I forget what I look like.
5583) Message boards : Number crunching : No server outage today? (Message 1015402)
Posted 13 Jul 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Ah...curious that the server status page still lists everything except one splitter as running. But thanks anyways. I had a glimmer of hope for a minute :P

IIRC the status only updates every 20 min. If they stared to kill things right after it updated it won't be displayed until after it's clear everything is down.
5584) Message boards : Number crunching : No server outage today? (Message 1015397)
Posted 13 Jul 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
It normally happens in the next hour or so on tuesdays. Often I go to lunch at 1PM, eastern time, and when I get back at 2PM everything is down.
5585) Message boards : Number crunching : The Green Datacenter (Message 1015393)
Posted 13 Jul 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
That looks a lot like the test setup I built at my last job. I only had 2 bakers racks of computers tho.
5586) Message boards : Number crunching : Computer Addiction (Message 1015081)
Posted 12 Jul 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
You can take my addictions when you pry them out of my cold dead hands! :D
5587) Message boards : Number crunching : System seems to be coming up already (Message 1010648)
Posted 2 Jul 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Uploads are quick and doing a bunch at once is far more network efficient. So I predict the upload surge will be innocuous. Of course, the servers will take some time digesting things, and may become the true upload bottleneck.

Downloads take time. If they could, wouldn't it make sense to keep the downloads coming uninterrupted during these outages and just block the uploads?

Planning for the future, if we are returning about 9 M results per week, is Berkeley able to double that rate, assuming the hosts would oblige? What gets in their way, assuming they clean up the servers and server structure in the near term?

That would require db access that they want to avoid so they can work on backend stuff.
Also BOINC will stop downloading tasks once you have to many tasks in an upload state. Something like 10 or 20 per CPU iirc.
5588) Message boards : Number crunching : System seems to be coming up already (Message 1010413)
Posted 1 Jul 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I didn't see a mention of the time they planned to bring things up, but in my network schedule I set all my machiens to resume network activity Thur. 6PM EDT. I also have them set to stop network activity Tue. 2PM EDT. Then Wed they can go from 00:00-00:01 since I didn't see a way to disable a day in BOINC.

<sarcasm>
I fully expect all of my machines to upload and report their work. Then fill up their cache by the time I get back in to work tomorrow.
</sarcasm>
5589) Message boards : Number crunching : New outage schedule.... (Message 1010391)
Posted 1 Jul 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
If everyone keeps their sticky little fingers off the "update" and the "retry now" buttons things might go through a bit smoother. Most of us have built up a pretty hefty backoff by now. If we just let the BM ask for work when it is ready we should be pretty well spread out and hopefully there will be enough work built up to get us back in the game.

Oh, and by the way, I finally finished my last WU so you can open up the gates any time now!! :-)


I set the schedule on the network activity for the same period as the planned outage. That way I don't get thousands of error messages. However this mean that I will have 20 machines all pounding at the door at the same time until each machine starts it backoff.
5590) Message boards : Number crunching : is the era of crunching farms over? (Message 1009335)
Posted 28 Jun 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Now Phud, he was a farmer



was...past tense...sniff

Well you are just... a winter farmer?
5591) Message boards : Number crunching : New outage schedule.... (Message 1009302)
Posted 28 Jun 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
They could separate the Credits and the RAC on the left into an iframe so that Thinman wouldn't be tied to the database for those facts so that the forums could remain up, Must be too hard to do I guess.

I'd wish that they could leave all the webpages up with static data during the outage, but I know there isn't any reason for them to do that.
5592) Message boards : Number crunching : New outage schedule.... (Message 1009300)
Posted 28 Jun 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Does anyone know if Boards will work during new long outages or is it wait and see as usual?

yes

ROFL, yes to which?

yes

Are you becoming a Yesman?

Maybe. :)
5593) Message boards : Number crunching : New outage schedule.... (Message 1009293)
Posted 28 Jun 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Does anyone know if Boards will work during new long outages or is it wait and see as usual?

yes

ROFL, yes to which?

yes
5594) Message boards : Number crunching : New outage schedule.... (Message 1009288)
Posted 28 Jun 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Does anyone know if Boards will work during new long outages or is it wait and see as usual?

yes
5595) Message boards : Number crunching : is the era of crunching farms over? (Message 1009212)
Posted 28 Jun 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The Question for me is - how many Rigs do you need to be a Farmer. :D

I think to be a farm they would be dedicated to the task. Not simply a case where someone has 5 computers in their home and runs S@H on all of them. Much like growing vegetables in your back yard does not make it a farm.
5596) Message boards : Number crunching : Who has the highest daily Quota? (Message 1009209)
Posted 28 Jun 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
ATM all the i7's I have are in the 260-300 range. The highest one is at 311.
5597) Message boards : Number crunching : heat and noncrunching... (Message 1007301)
Posted 22 Jun 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
98F here today.
i'm happily sitting here with no heat
producers running..

and its soooo quiet!

See you weren't loosing your hearing after all!
5598) Message boards : Number crunching : New PC Build & Specs(Secret) Help! (Message 1004046)
Posted 14 Jun 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

You may have already seen this, But... I'm looking at a motherboard that has lots of pci-e slots from EVGA, Technically EVGA says It's Classified, But Here's a picture anyway:

Just imagine 6 water cooled GTX470 cards(25A*6=150A), The 200 motherboard has a 1-1x slot, 1-4x slot(physically looks 16x) and 5-16x slots, Problem is, I'm thinking I'd have to use a case that can hold two psus and the Corsair Obsidian 700D/800D does not do this, So far only the HAF-932 that I have does this and only barely... I have the cash to spend(Just not right now, too many other important things to get done It seems, sigh), Besides the case needs modifying so that I can have 4 hoses exit the case. The two psu? Lets see either a 1600w or a 1500w for the main one and a 950w Corsair psu, Thankfully I've got a good enough case, It's too bad that the Corsair cases can't do what I need It to do and Corsair may not care for two psus in a case, So I have to put up with a cheaper imitation of the 700D/800D, The HAF-932.

Also I found this just for You and maybe Me, Who knows, It's a MagiCool XTREME NOVA 1080 Radiator and It uses 9 120mm fans.

Oh and the Rad above only costs $150 before shipping.


You know once you get to the radiator that size you might just as well think about getting one from a motorcycle or something. It might be cheaper. lol
5599) Message boards : Number crunching : Is there a tool to work out how much electricity your computer is using in kilowatt hours? (Message 1004043)
Posted 14 Jun 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
There are also a lot of new UPSs out there that have a built in power meter. If you are thinking about getting a new UPS, or getting one at all, you might look around for those kinds of units.
5600) Message boards : Number crunching : Cloud Computing (Message 1000609)
Posted 4 Jun 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
1 big advantage of clouding is that the HDD is freed up purely for a chuckable, reinstallable OS on the host machine, with no files to worry about as they are on the cloud. Combining cloud + BOINC would be a solution of the files that are downloaded to the HDD - which are at risk of loss in case of OS/hardware malfunction - are safer.

Yesno?


Yeah, it is sorta like going back to the old days of application servers and dumb terminals.
In a semi-related note. I did spend some time a while back trying to figure out how to get BOINC/S@H to run on a Windows HPC cluster, but didn't have much luck.
5601) Message boards : Number crunching : Setting BROWSER environment variable? (Message 1000605)
Posted 4 Jun 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
It would seem that this issue occurs every now and then.
5602) Message boards : Number crunching : Can Seti run off a ram disk? (Message 998892)
Posted 26 May 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I think what you want would be BOINC PE. It has been a while since I looked at it, but iirc. You can adjust the size of the ram drive that is created & set the time to save the ram drive data to a real storage device. Which seems to be an ideal answer for booting BOINC from a flash drive & running it on a disk less system.
5603) Message boards : Number crunching : the real loser in the GPU wars... (Message 995869)
Posted 12 May 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
ummm my GPU's came with HDMI adapters...

All the video cards I've bought in the past 6 months have had HDMI ports on the cards. Even the new dell machines we got at work had HDMI on the el cheapo basic video cards.
5604) Message boards : Number crunching : Opinions on the i7 870 or the 860 cpu (Message 991822)
Posted 25 Apr 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
When I got my i7-860 back in Jan it was $290 with the i7-870 at $500-$600. So it was a pretty easy choice for me. $290 later I had my 860. Then about a month later Gigabyte released a new bios for my board that enabled me to select the 22 multiplier like the 870 has. I ran seti with 8 threads on it for weeks until spring rolled around. The stock cooler can't keep it cool enough to run stable in the case I have even at stock speeds, let alone overclocked, with seti running full tilt on it, but kept cool enough it it's a 870 in disguise. :D
Hopefully I'll get some B-Day cash. Then I will be able to get a better ventilated (kitty proof) case & cooler for it.
5605) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (31) Server problems (Message 986479)
Posted 4 Apr 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Have there really been so few problems that this thread want all the way down to the 2nd page! How odd...

EDIT: Also set one of my machines to NNT for a few days. Then enabbled it to see how many it would grab in 1 shot. Several between 1-20 but got this as well.
4/3/2010 7:18:47 PM SETI@home Scheduler request completed: got 40 new tasks
5606) Message boards : Number crunching : Under-reported Memory (Message 986157)
Posted 2 Apr 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I never really looked at the memory BOINC reported in the startup before now. As I use the XMP function to run my memory in mt HTPC at 1600 I thought I was seeing this as well. However, I forgot I only put 4GB in the machine.

Have you tried setting the memory back to see if BOINC reports 6GB again? There could be some issues where enabling XMP does effect BOINC in some way, but I'm not really sure how.
5607) Message boards : Number crunching : Problems... (Message 985351)
Posted 30 Mar 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Testing 1 2, received radio 5


Calling CQ DX, CQ DX.....

6E6F2070726F626C656D732068657265
5608) Message boards : Number crunching : GPU running out of work (Message 985341)
Posted 30 Mar 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
You might want to grab the ReSchedule tool as well to shift tasks between your GPU(s) & CPU(s). At the moment I have BOINC only downloading CPU tasks & reschedule all non VLAR & VHARs to the GPU. Which seems to work better then only downloading GPU taks and dumping VLAR & VHARs to the CPU for me.

Couldn't tell the difference myself. Boinc doesn't seem to know the difference and eventually your CPU will fill up with VLars. Mine is still set for just GPU, the good thing is for some reason my cache isn't bothering boinc this time around.

Setup to only download GPU tasks & dump VLAR & VHARs to the CPU I was finding the CPU had more work then it could get done. I would have to step in & set NNT. to let the backlog of VLAR & VHARs on the CPU clear.

Only downloading CPU tasks & shoving everything that isn't a VLAR or VHARs to the GPU seems to be working a lot better for me. When the CPU queue is full it doesn't request more work. Also in this configuration I get AP work.

The GF8500 runs about 2 hours with the current work I am getting. I have reschedule check every 4 hours.
5609) Message boards : Number crunching : Point Computation (Message 985310)
Posted 30 Mar 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Can anyone tell me how points are computed for the validated tasks. I have tried to make sense out of the "points" given to individual tasks and I can't/

Please advise.

ront

You can have the documented BOINC explanation, or basically the credit is based on the number of flops to process it.

Sometime this year, maybe soon, BOINC will be transitioning to a new credit system. That will be the third credit system. The description also has a short summary of the first credit system (pure Cobblestones) and the second credit system which this project is using now (fpops based, normalized to equivalent Cobblestones).
                                                              Joe

I like the classic system of 1 task 1 credit. However, That doesn't work with tasks of different size or different projects.
5610) Message boards : Number crunching : GPU running out of work (Message 985308)
Posted 30 Mar 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
You might want to grab the ReSchedule tool as well to shift tasks between your GPU(s) & CPU(s). At the moment I have BOINC only downloading CPU tasks & reschedule all non VLAR & VHARs to the GPU. Which seems to work better then only downloading GPU taks and dumping VLAR & VHARs to the CPU for me.
5611) Message boards : Number crunching : Crunching offline (Message 985306)
Posted 30 Mar 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thanks for the tips - and HAL especially. I'll do a little searching now of the forums but if you do happen upon the link to that "how-to" a link on this thread would be much appreciated.

I did an advanced forum search for "off line" userid 792 and one year, and found this one.

Gruß,
Gundolf

Thanks for finding that Gundolf. I have now copied the instructions to my profile. So now countless people can attempt to drive themselves crazy. :D
5612) Message boards : Number crunching : Crunching offline (Message 985132)
Posted 29 Mar 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I tried that, and used to run Classic that way for hosts I couldn't put on dial up or share dial up as there was no network.

Unfortunately, BOINC Manager (unique for a host machine) will pull down WUs as it wants, and transferring them between rigs causes then to trash.

Clearly a WiFi solution or G3 Internet access with a mobile (cell) should work.

I've done lots of "off-line" crunching on older boxes that don't even have network cards.

When copying BOINC to a machine for this there is one thing to remember. If you haven't run the BOINC installer then the registry entries don't exist for that machine. So when you run boincmgr.exe the folder where BOINC is located also becomes the DATA folder.

I sorta prefer it that way anyway. So I just have D:\BOINC\ with D:\BOINC\projects\setiathome.berkeley.edu. If I need to move BOINC form that machines I just grabs the whole D:\BOINC folder & I'm good.

EDIT: I think there was another post some time ago about off-line crunching where I listed step by step of how I put BOINC on machines.
5613) Message boards : Number crunching : Playstation 3 - can i use it for seti? (Message 985130)
Posted 29 Mar 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
fake? its not April 1st yet


Oh It's quite real, Sony is quite serious about this. As Sony is from Japan, They may not understand what April Fools Day is or even know anything about It.
Besides the News is all over GOOGLE...

http://blog.us.playstation.com/2010/03/28/ps3-firmware-v3-21-update/

us.playstation.com wrote:
For those PS3 users who are currently using the “Other OS” feature but choose to install the system software update, to avoid data loss they first need to back-up any data stored within the hard drive partition used by the “Other OS,” as they will not be able to access that data following the update.

Additional information about PS3 firmware updates, including v3.21 (once it becomes available), can be found here:
http://us.playstation.com/support/systemupdates/ps3/index.htm

I work for a Japanese company & last year there was a round of lay offs at the start of our fiscal year. Which starts in April. Some people came to work the next day thinking it was a joke. Sadly it was not.
5614) Message boards : Number crunching : Point Computation (Message 985101)
Posted 29 Mar 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Can anyone tell me how points are computed for the validated tasks. I have tried to make sense out of the "points" given to individual tasks and I can't/

Please advise.

ront


You can have the documented BOINC explanation, or basically the credit is based on the number of flops to process it.
5615) Message boards : Number crunching : Crunching offline (Message 985096)
Posted 29 Mar 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
sneakernet always has the highest bandwidth
5616) Message boards : Number crunching : GTX 480 crunch card (Message 983909)
Posted 26 Mar 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Benchmarking the GTX 480.. Can't wait to get my hands on one of these puppy's.

Watch until the end to see the new 3D technology in these cards.

http://www.youtube.com/v/vpdPSZB8A8E&hl=en_GB&fs=1&hd=1

Yeah.......
I kinda thought about it........
But the reviews were that it was awful power hungry.
And not reports yet as to whether it was leas or more efficient than a GTX295.......which are now as rare as hound's teeth.
Or the GTX260 for that matter, which was a sheep in wolve's clothing, properly OC'd.

The b........rd's tried to shanghai the market, by cutting off the supply of current version cards, well in advance of what they would or could deliver in the form of Fermi. Just to upshore the price point.

BTW....I am referring to EVGA, there are other versions of the 295 and 260 to be had, but I was always an EVGA supporter....

May have to rethink that........I think they may have been strung up by their own petards.

I suggested a while back that they better do another production run of 295's....


I would think they would consume more power than a 295. Goes with territory, the more transistors they pack on them, the more energy they'll use.

I would need to get a better power supply along with the card. with a $500 card and $300 power supply, it might be some time before I can afford it.

But like you I want to see exactly how much power they will use and if they play well with CUDA and multiple cards in one system.


Smaller fab process normally leads to less power with more transistors.
This is a bit of relevant data I grabbed off of wiki.

GPU, fab process, CUSA cores, million transistors ,TDP watts
GeForce GTX 275, 55nm, 240, 1400, 219w
GeForce GTX 285, 55nm, 240, 1400, 204w
GeForce GTX 295, 55nm, 480(240x2), 2800(1400x2), 289w
GeForce GTX 470, 40nm, 448, 3200, 215w
GeForce GTX 480, 40nm, 480, 3200, 250w

Looks like the 480 uses less power then a 295. The clocks are higher too. So hopefully they will process more efficiently. Hopefully the 470 is actually more efficient then the 295.
5617) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (31) Server problems (Message 983901)
Posted 26 Mar 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
One thing I have noticed when getting new tasks is that, for some time there used to be around 60 or so delivered at a time.
Now they only seem to come down max at 20 or so at a time.When the crunchers cache is empty.

Dave

It always used to be 20 at a time, I think.......
It was only in the recent past that work requests would generate large numbers of downloads in a single request.
If I am not mistaken.

Note sure when it change. However, When I started running S@H again last June or July I would get 40-60 tasks at a time on some machines.
5618) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (31) Server problems (Message 982629)
Posted 23 Mar 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I blame the Berkeley HVAC tech who pushed the reset button on the air conditioner and said "oh it's working, everything's ok"

The AC unit tripped it's circuit protection for a reason.
Until that reason is discovered, the tech who made the decision to let it ride has put the entire projects hardware in jeopardy.



Our A/C at work does that once or twice a year & they just reset it. Never mind that we have lost $5-6,000 in machines already from the cooling going down :/
5619) Message boards : Number crunching : Try not to get worried, try not turn on to..... (Message 982443)
Posted 22 Mar 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Beer and Women are above Sleeping .....

Sleeping may have more then one meaning, but I was going for the PG version.
5620) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (31) Server problems (Message 982403)
Posted 22 Mar 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
My system has not seen any Cuda work for the last 18 hours.


You're not alone. Nobody has gotten any workunits at all for the last about 15 hours. The system's been down, kaputt, broken, belly up, crashed, finito...

Everything came online again less than an hour ago.

Be patient, it will take time for everyone to get new work.

Edit:(maybe by the same time next year, it will have recovered)

Sten-Arne

I suspect the closet must have overheated or the power went wonky again. Even the setiathome.berkeley.edu website was down. Which is routed though the campus bandwidth. So the GB link dropping out shouldn't effect it.
5621) Message boards : Number crunching : Try not to get worried, try not turn on to..... (Message 982398)
Posted 22 Mar 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Not completly ;-) - Status page is stuck at "22 Mar 2010 1:30:12 UTC".
Uploading works fine, reporting not - "Scheduler request failed: Couldn't connect to server" :-( .

__W__



That too will resolve itself.

Sten-Arne

and if not then c'est la vie


Exactly. This is not the most important thing in life.

Sten-Arne

Exactly, Have to prioritize things! :)
1. Breathing.
2. Seti.
3. Eating.
4. Seti.
5. Sleeping.
6. Seti.
5622) Message boards : Number crunching : Try not to get worried, try not turn on to..... (Message 982391)
Posted 22 Mar 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Not completly ;-) - Status page is stuck at "22 Mar 2010 1:30:12 UTC".
Uploading works fine, reporting not - "Scheduler request failed: Couldn't connect to server" :-( .

__W__



That too will resolve itself.

Sten-Arne

and if not then c'est la vie
5623) Message boards : Number crunching : anybody got four cinderblocks (Message 982335)
Posted 21 Mar 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Cinder blocks are sorta like these. Normally they are just concrete, but sometimes do contain coal ash. Which is in fact radioactive, but only about the same amount that dirt is.
5624) Message boards : Number crunching : okay Pete! i'm calling you out!!! (Message 981425)
Posted 20 Mar 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
had the dogs for supper mmmmmm good...
flipped the breaker back and now the missus
is freezing as usual.

Tell her to go into the farm room?
5625) Message boards : Number crunching : Development BOINC 6.10.43 released (Message 981149)
Posted 19 Mar 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thanks for the info Mark. Hopefully I'll get it loaded up on a few machines to let them bake over the weekend.
5626) Message boards : Number crunching : validate errors again (Message 981146)
Posted 19 Mar 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Quick question,
I have two validate errors, one was received on the 7th and completed on the 10th, the other was sent on the 8th and completed on the 13th. Do I have to ask someone to run the script on them for me or does it catch any on anybody's?

Not really worried about it but the few extra credits would be nice.

I would tend to guess that the script Eric is running every few days would go after any instances in the db to try to resolve them.

Since it was really slow at work today I looked at all the ones I had the validate error state & it only added up to about 1800 credits.
5627) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (31) Server problems (Message 980976)
Posted 19 Mar 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Was that really necessary?

All I see is
Message 980949 - Posted 19 Mar 2010 15:45:15 UTC
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:)
5628) Message boards : Number crunching : Computational Errors (Message 980973)
Posted 19 Mar 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Seems mine has been having tons of errors since the 13th...

I had a few comp errors on mine, but just while running Win7. When I changed back to XP the errors stopped.
5629) Message boards : Number crunching : Opinions wanted (Message 980935)
Posted 19 Mar 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
A board with as many PCIe slots with big video cards and a big Power Supply. GPU crunching is faster than CPU. If I had room for just one more video card.....LOL

So long as it's not VHAR or VLAR work :P

VHAR runs absolutely brilliantly on GPU, especially with the v2.3 runtime DLLs.

VLAR, on the other hand - there I agree with you. Avoid at all costs.

Ah, I thought VHARs were not so good as well. Since they included the "Force HVAR to CPU also" option in Reschedule v1.9.
I use that option on the one machine I have at work with a CUDA card. Just let it D/L GPU work and dump VHARs & VLARs to the CPU.
5630) Message boards : Number crunching : Opinions wanted (Message 980883)
Posted 19 Mar 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
A board with as many PCIe slots with big video cards and a big Power Supply. GPU crunching is faster than CPU. If I had room for just one more video card.....LOL

So long as it's not VHAR or VLAR work :P
5631) Message boards : Number crunching : New feature request...New Button (Message 980881)
Posted 19 Mar 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
There is an option to "zero out" your debts. You can find it in the manual. Also a feature in the new version that is being worked on lets you do just that, but setting a projects resource share to 0.



Thanks for the info HAL, but it still means messing about editing files.

Yes, but it is editing your cc_config.xml, if you have one, instead of your client info.
If you don't have a cc_config.xml you can make on in NOTEPAD & put it in your data folder. Then the next time you restart BOINC it will read it. Then delete or edit it again to disable zero debts.
5632) Message boards : Number crunching : New PC (Message 980477)
Posted 18 Mar 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Well a few things have changed - I have £325 to spend on a new board chip and memry - any suggestions?

Popping over the amazon uk an Intel i5-750 is £158.96 & a 4GB Corsair DDR3, XMS-1333 kit is £69.36. Leaving about £100 for a decent board. An Intel DH55HC board is £89.23.
£317.55 & free shipping in the UK. Not to bad. I was just doing a quick search tho. There might be lots better places to shop there.
5633) Message boards : Number crunching : whats cheaper the heating or running seti? (Message 980476)
Posted 18 Mar 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Sat here having a few beers wondering, would it be cheaper to turn off the heating and in my bedroom and leave my laptop, and two PC's on all night rather than put the heating on tonight - parents are away and I dont really wanna leave the whole house heated or go around changing the radiator settings as dad has it "just how I like it"

any thoughts . . . .

So far for the winter I have saved $300 in electric costs. With the cost per KW higher & the electric bill showing colder average temps then last year the only conclusion I can come to is that the extra heat form the computers is enough to keep the extremely inefficient electric heat I have form kicking on as much.
5634) Message boards : Number crunching : EVGA has created a Dual cpu LGA1366 motherboard (Message 980473)
Posted 18 Mar 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Some official info goodness.
5635) Message boards : Number crunching : New feature request...New Button (Message 980147)
Posted 17 Mar 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
How about be able to switch off or on Long and Short Term Debt. My computer is still recovering from the last outage. I run 2 projects SETI at 75% and Einstein at 25% (ie 3 cores on SETI and 1 core one Einstein). Since the last outage when I ran out work for SETI, Einstein is being starved for work so it can recover from this 'Debt'. Eistein is getting some work but is being run dry before it gets more work. Then I get 4 cores running Einstein for a while till it settles back down to 3 on SETI and 1 on Einstein.

I want my machine to run at my set preferences and if a project goes down then the other project can take up the strain, but as soon as the broken down project comes back on line, I want my m/c to revert to my set prefences.

It probably can be done by editing the 'client state' file but I don't want mess about this way.

There is an option to "zero out" your debts. You can find it in the manual. Also a feature in the new version that is being worked on lets you do just that, but setting a projects resource share to 0.
5636) Message boards : Number crunching : New feature request...New Button (Message 980126)
Posted 17 Mar 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Not that it would happen soon but it would be cool to have a couple extra buttons on the Projects tab page. We have "No new Tasks" but it would be helpful if there were also a "No CPU Tasks" and "No GPU Tasks". I assume both can be done by advanced users but I don't know how to stop boinc from downloading to CPU and still get GPU. A new button would be the easiest for the most. My CPU has plenty of work yet every now and then it still asks....


Hey hiamps...
I second that proposal. I never recieve GPU tasks anymore, so I'm stuck using ReScheduler to rembrand the CPU tasks to GPU. And as always, that results in the "wrong password" problem, which always requires ending the BOINC process then opening it again.

- Luke.

Ending boinc.exe or boincmgr.exe? When I get that I just click the button and connect to computer & everything is fine.
5637) Message boards : Number crunching : New feature request...New Button (Message 980099)
Posted 17 Mar 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Not that it would happen soon but it would be cool to have a couple extra buttons on the Projects tab page. We have "No new Tasks" but it would be helpful if there were also a "No CPU Tasks" and "No GPU Tasks". I assume both can be done by advanced users but I don't know how to stop boinc from downloading to CPU and still get GPU. A new button would be the easiest for the most. My CPU has plenty of work yet every now and then it still asks....


It would be a nice feature. So long as they were per project. I first saw a need for such a feature when I was running collatz & seti on 1 box. Seti kept requesting GPU tasks, which it wasn't allowed to run, & collatz kept requesting cpu work, which it wasn't allowed to run. I've since stopped running collatz on that machine & have it set to no gpus so boinc stops using up all of my bandwidth. As it seems all these requests really add up. With my "unlimited" internet only allowing 250GB/mo of xfers I don't need anything wasting my bandwidth nor do I think SETI & Collatz want their bandwidth wasted.
5638) Message boards : Cafe SETI : SETI ADMINISTRATORS (Message 979927)
Posted 17 Mar 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
hibiscus always makes me think of biscuits. Then I get hungry...
5639) Message boards : Number crunching : Problems... (Message 979184)
Posted 15 Mar 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Personally I wouldn't have a problem with the lack of uploads ... I understand things happens ... the problem is when this stuff happens BOINC insists it can't connect to the internet every time the SETI@ site won't connect and popping up message balloons to that effect.

If you set "Network Reminder Interval" in Advanced > Options to 0 it won't do that.
5640) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (30) Server problems (Message 979095)
Posted 15 Mar 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Well, I would have hoped for a little kicking to have been done by now, but certainly no change on this end.
Hopefully things will be sorted by the time I get back from work.

Unless they intend to let it slide until tomorrow's outage...

That seems to often be the case. Every now and then it works too :)
5641) Message boards : Number crunching : Problems... (Message 979094)
Posted 15 Mar 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Nothing is 'wrong'.

The regular unplanned Weekend-downtime seemlessly blends into the regular planned Tuesday-downtime, we get a couple of days clear uploading and downloading, and the cycle repeats...

This is 'normal'.


S.N.A.F.U. as it were. lol

Could be that some of the hardware is still quirky after the near meltdown the other week.
5642) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows 7 Upgrade causes slowdown (Message 978953)
Posted 15 Mar 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
How do you enable SpeedStepping?

In windows power options there is a value Processor Power Management. The max might be less then 100%. Setting Max & Min to 100% effectively disables speed stepping while windows is running.
5643) Message boards : Number crunching : i7 920 and hyperthreading (Message 978951)
Posted 15 Mar 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Results proven to be same, as before:
With HT off - 85-90 min per unit.
With HT on - 130 min per unit.

So, for 270 min:
With HT off - 12 WUs
With HT on - 16 WUs

This is at least 33% more. And there is no noticeable change in GPU units completion times or at least I don't know how to detect it.

Of course, temperatures of cores with HT set to "off" are 10 degrees lower, but power consumption is risen 40 or so watts(whole system, with HT on it consumes 312 watts, HT off - 278 watts. GPU consumption is not included).

Only 12% more power used for the added processing. Good data. I need to sit down & try this on my i7-860 sometime.
5644) Message boards : Number crunching : Results Turn Around Time ( last hour average ) (Message 978311)
Posted 13 Mar 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Not really. Since AP tasks are harder to obtain it would be hard to get a 10 day cache of AP work. With MB tasks plentiful, compared to AP, more users with a higher cache setting with drive this number up.
5645) Message boards : Number crunching : Uhhhhh...are we out of work to split? (Message 977682)
Posted 12 Mar 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I kinda assumed that during the processing of all the old reblanked work we were still getting some new data stored up which would be considerable at this point.

Ah well......it'll all come out in the wash.
Just wanna know where we stand as far as the backlog of work to process is.
And wish that Matt would grace us with some regular tech news again.

Hope he is OK....he spoke of being sick for a spell some time ago.

I think we are about 14.25 billion years behind.
5646) Message boards : Number crunching : Low Credit (Message 977421)
Posted 11 Mar 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
RAC will fluctuate based on the type of work being sent out. When there is a "shortie storm", lots of tasks that process quickly, your RAC will normally drop. Also credit is granted only once a task has been processed at least twice. So if your pending credit is going up. Then that could also be another reason for your lower RAC.
5647) Message boards : Number crunching : Completed and validated. Granted credit 0. That seems strange or? (Message 977416)
Posted 11 Mar 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The last time this came up I saw a section on the site that listed something along the lines of "BOINC client version connections in the past 24 hours". I can't seem to find that now, but the number of connections by the older clients was very low.

It's not limited to the last 24 hours, but are you speaking of the List of recently connected client types, the link to which is to be found below the Splitter status on the Server status page?

Gruß,
Gundolf

Yep, that was it. Thanks. I'm not as crazy as I starting to think I was! :)
5648) Message boards : Number crunching : is it summer yet? (Message 977414)
Posted 11 Mar 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
if it ain't, i don't know why not!
i have the summer farm ready to roll!

Summer?! Heck it's still officially winter.... heh
5649) Message boards : Number crunching : Completed and validated. Granted credit 0. That seems strange or? (Message 977413)
Posted 11 Mar 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
couldn't seti servers just give both computers credit of the one with valid time???

maybe we could get matt on this, jk.

I think the "fix" for this would in the event of 0 credit would be issued send out the task for a 3rd opinion.

OMG, do you really want waste third host computing resources just to get this ephemeral credit number??

No, not really. The simplest solution is to do nothing. As everything is working. It was just one idea of how to try and account for this occurrence.
The last time this came up I saw a section on the site that listed something along the lines of "BOINC client version connections in the past 24 hours". I can't seem to find that now, but the number of connections by the older clients was very low.
5650) Message boards : Number crunching : Completed and validated. Granted credit 0. That seems strange or? (Message 977322)
Posted 11 Mar 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
couldn't seti servers just give both computers credit of the one with valid time???

maybe we could get matt on this, jk.

I think the "fix" for this would in the event of 0 credit would be issued send out the task for a 3rd opinion.
5651) Message boards : Number crunching : boinc.exe problem (Message 977170)
Posted 10 Mar 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have just recently notice that after the long outages we have had recently an odd issue.

I loaded up BOINCView @ work to see if all the machines were still humming along happily this morning. 4 of them it couldn't contact. So I VNC'd into them & BOINC seemed to be running just fine. Looking at task manager boinc.exe did have 14-20 hours of CPU usage on it tho. I have only seen this once before on any of my systems & it was before I updated them to 6.10.25 after the december power upgrades & berk. So I'll probably update them to 6.10.36 in a few weeks & see what happens after the next extended outage.
5652) Message boards : Number crunching : Just had to share this (Message 977168)
Posted 10 Mar 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I remember when the internet came on a floppy...
5653) Message boards : Number crunching : I feel Hard Drive can make a difference. (Message 977167)
Posted 10 Mar 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I stick BOINC in a separate partition. As it will fragment the snot out of your OS drive. For a while on some machines I ran BOINC in a ram drive that only saved back to it's file every 12 hours. Seti didn't show any increase in performance. It was just less noise for me as I could let the drives spin down that way.
5654) Message boards : Number crunching : How much you pay/ed for SETI@home ? (Message 976747)
Posted 8 Mar 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
For the past 3 months my electric bills are about $300 less then they were last year. The bills show a lower average outside temp. So my lower bills must be from the added heat from running SETI on my home machines. I guess that makes me -$300 that I have spent on SETI then? I have a feeling this may not hold true for the summer tho. :/
5655) Message boards : Number crunching : Astropulse long units! (Message 976743)
Posted 8 Mar 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I don't remember the last time I got an AP :(

One of my machines did 2 over the weekend. I guess it is just lucky.
5656) Message boards : Number crunching : Interesting Cuda observation........ (Message 975937)
Posted 5 Mar 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I think hiamps was saying something like that a few weeks ago.
5657) Message boards : Number crunching : BOINC needs a overhaul (Message 975793)
Posted 5 Mar 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Since there are third party Op App's that are better than Boinc app's, why cant Boinc sanction those app's (authenticate?)and realse those app's? So yes I agree, need a total restructure.

There are Opt Apps for projects, such as seti@home, not BOINC. BOINC is just the software that runs those projects.
5658) Message boards : Number crunching : 50k credits! (Message 975628)
Posted 4 Mar 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Dave,
Thanks mate
Dave

(with so many daves I am confused?>!!!?!?!?)

I'm sorry Dave...... :)
5659) Message boards : Number crunching : 50k credits! (Message 975576)
Posted 3 Mar 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Well I am nearly at 50k credits I wonder if i will reach it tonight, further to that can I make it to the magic 6 figure mark before july?

Looks like you just passed it!
Credit: 50,019
RAC: 1,002
5660) Message boards : Number crunching : Best Cuda app_info multiplicator ??? (Message 975559)
Posted 3 Mar 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
What is the best flops multiplicator for the app_info for 6.10.18 for cuda 2.3 or 3.0 and Geforce 196,75???

x0,09 ????

my cuda (GT220) says 131 gflops peak

131 gflops x0,09 = 11,79 gflops
in the moment i run (cuda3.0) with 17.8 gflops
it is faster and only 2 grad celsius higher than x0,09
and the gpu activity is more higher and make lower stops

Have anyone a good tip for me ?

I thought it was GFLOPS * 0.2. At least that seems to be pretty accurate for the 8500GT I'm playing with. 45FGLOPS = <flops>9000000000</flops> in my app_info

That figure was based on the old "est. GFLOPs" figure. If you're counting from the new "GFLOPs peak" measure, divide by another 5.6

But if you're using the 2.3 DLLs, double the number you first thought of, at least.

I just tried that and the numbers were way off for me. I am using using 10.10.25, 191.07 drivers, 2.3 DLLs with opp apps.

Looking at my task history most GPU tasks run about 7500 seconds(or 2 hrs 25 min). Those are the ones that get processed over night when no one is using the machine. Using GFLOPS Peak * 0.20 listed the tasks at 1 hr 55 min, instead of the BOINC default of 4-5 hours. Since 0.20 got me close I just spent a few minutes playing with the number and ended up with <flops>7500000000</flops>. Which lists most tasks for the GPU at 2 hrs 20 min.

So for me I guess it works out to GFLOPS Peak * 0.17. The machine is here if there is anything that might be helpful for future data.
5661) Message boards : Number crunching : Best Cuda app_info multiplicator ??? (Message 975550)
Posted 3 Mar 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
What is the best flops multiplicator for the app_info for 6.10.18 for cuda 2.3 or 3.0 and Geforce 196,75???

x0,09 ????

my cuda (GT220) says 131 gflops peak

131 gflops x0,09 = 11,79 gflops
in the moment i run (cuda3.0) with 17.8 gflops
it is faster and only 2 grad celsius higher than x0,09
and the gpu activity is more higher and make lower stops

Have anyone a good tip for me ?

I thought it was GFLOPS * 0.2. At least that seems to be pretty accurate for the 8500GT I'm playing with. 45FGLOPS = <flops>9000000000</flops> in my app_info
5662) Message boards : Number crunching : A challenge - looking to build a new seti pc (Message 975236)
Posted 2 Mar 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
WeLl its built need a low profile low noise fan and I am sorted I have a 12cm ultra quiet fan I might hack a hole in the case and put it in over the heat sink to replace the current cooler but is it worth the risk?.

Sometimes. If it ain't broke don't fix it applies, bt sometimes it's fun to do so anyway :D
5663) Message boards : Number crunching : Looks like stats exports are still hung, eh? (Message 975235)
Posted 2 Mar 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
and nix the salt!
and what oil are you using to fry?
is the fry cook the employee of the month?
does he/she/it ride the short bus to work?
is his name Seth Shostak?

LARD
5664) Message boards : Number crunching : BOINC needs a overhaul (Message 975097)
Posted 1 Mar 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thank you Richard for taking a civil approach on the discussion, even if our views don't completely align.

Why can't all posters be like him?

One of the first rules of an argument is to attack only the argument, not the person stating it. That just shows weakness.

I disagree. The first rule of an argument is to win!

One of my favorite quotes.
"The worst part in an argument is when you realize you are wrong."
5665) Message boards : Number crunching : A challenge - looking to build a new seti pc (Message 974990)
Posted 1 Mar 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have always found that win xp is much more usable with 2gb but maube for this situation 1gb will be plenty

I have found that as well, but you don't plan on really using it do you? Also in some cases using 4 dimms instead of just 2 can slow down memory performance.
5666) Message boards : Number crunching : BOINC needs a overhaul (Message 974985)
Posted 1 Mar 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I would vote against a complete rewrite/overhaul/whatever you want to call it.

I think bugs should be fixed before worrying about adding new features. I test software for a living 8-5 M-F for the past 11 years. I still don't know why it's not done that way. I really like breaking software. I feel if I haven't made at least one developer cry a day I haven't done my job. :D

The BOINC Alpha list seems to be more for for those willing to do testing & provide feedback. To me it is not really designed for a way for users to report issues with current released versions.

With a user base of around 2,000,000 I would see a traditional defect reporting system to be very inefficient. Having had to personally deal with beta sites during software development. The time consumed in sorting though defect reports from the field can be staggering. At the place I currently work we are lucky enough to have another group of people between the developers & testers.

However the devs want their defects reported to them. Once they get the defect & try to reproduce it. They have to decide how large of an impact it is. If it effects 100 out of 2,000,000 users. Then the chances of it getting fixed sooner are probably not very high, or it might get deemed to be working within acceptable parameters. Something along the lines of "If I click this button 500 times in a minute the software crashes". Would be an example of working within acceptable parameters.

The main problem which I think was already stated well with stating from scratch. Is that all your old defects will crop back up. I make a joke at work whenever I get a new version that was "written from scratch". I say "Would you like all the defects from the old one before I start testing since I'll be writing them up anyway?" Which is more often true then not.
5667) Message boards : Number crunching : Looks like stats exports are still hung, eh? (Message 974966)
Posted 1 Mar 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I am only going to state the "Obvious." There was a Database CRASH! Along with that a Web Server CRASH! When it was reported that the Stats Dump was from the 16th that was a RESTORE! Then a manual update happened.

We are now in a recovery of the WEB SERVER, Other Servers and Permissions.

So after the Airconditioning problem melted down a UPS (which not supposed to happen). One could expect other problems to occur shortly thereafter.

My only Question is, "Do You want Fries with That?"

Regards

Yes, thanks. Curly ones...mmmmmm
5668) Message boards : Number crunching : Here's hoping (Message 974965)
Posted 1 Mar 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hahaha! Wouldn't it be interesting if the claimed credit was granted! Instant #1 position in SETI.

Unfortunately that didn't happen. All three tasks eventually validated and the high and low claims thrown out, and we got the median, 571 cr.

To bad it's not an average of the 3 eh?
5669) Message boards : Number crunching : A challenge - looking to build a new seti pc (Message 974628)
Posted 28 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
well i got me the following for £35

intel p4/2.6gz/512/800
Intel Heatsink and Fan
Aopen MX4SGI-N pga478b
1GB Memory
Slim Case
DVD ROM
120gb HDD

now then what to install? Windows xp? or Windows 7?

Should I do a photo build you know - step by step in building a SETI machine?

thats not too bad for thirty five quid is it!

I am going to use this to replace the laptop that is dieing a death.

dave


Good bit of kit for the price. I've run Win7 on older hardware, even on an old 1.5Ghz P3, and once all setup it wasn't really that slow. Some of the things DWM might leech some CPU cycles from it tho. So for a little cruncher that is going to sit in the corner & not make any noise I'd go with XP. You could get something like a GeForce 9400 if it would fit in that case as well. All the ones I've seen are fan less cards.
If that is a non-HT chip it will probably pump out 400-600 credits a day I'd expect.
5670) Message boards : Number crunching : Team removed - database problem? (Message 974623)
Posted 28 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Maybe they were removed from the team & the name was changed?
5671) Message boards : Number crunching : Astropulse work unit fail before even started! (Message 974220)
Posted 27 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

The actual crunch time on that host should be (very roughly) about 24 hours, so if BOINC started it now it might make deadline. The huge estimate is probably because your GPU did one or more tasks which took much longer than originally estimated.

Because that Astropulse v505 WU hasn't been started, BOINC must think there's another project which needs the CPU more urgently. Unless you're willing to suspend other projects, I think aborting the WU makes sense.
                                                            Joe


Now you make me curious, I'll leave it just to see what it does do seeing as it has 4 days till deadline and is due to start... A pair of Seti's have just finished and its working on a pair of Milkways@, with a Milkyway ahead of it.
:-)

I guess BOINC isn't to concerned about the amount of time it thinks that will take. I wouldn't have thought that it would start something like that sooner, but that shows just how complex the scheduling is on BOINC. It's not going to work right every time I guess.
I'd leave it just to see what happens myself.
5672) Message boards : Number crunching : Still want a 'sent' box.... (Message 974217)
Posted 27 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
/me tosses 10lbs of catnip into the air.
5673) Message boards : Number crunching : App_info tricksery to ask for Astropulse and CUDA only? (Message 974215)
Posted 26 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have been wondering about this for some while now, but haven't come up with a decent answer myself.

Of course it is possible to exclusively request Astropulse and CUDA by only having references to executables for those types of wu's in your app_info.xml

However, since I use reschedule.exe to move VLAR cuda's to the cpu's I need the AK_603 executable as well, and therefore have it in my app_info.xml.

What I would like to do is make the AK_603 executable 'invisible' as far as requests for new work are concerned, but still have it available for processing any 6.08 --> 6.03 wu's that have been pushed to the processors.

Does anybody know whether this is possible through some 'stealth' directives in the app_info.xml? Is there possibly another way to stop Boinc asking for work for one of the executables in your app_info.xml?

Can it be done by changing the 'version info' for the AK_603 executable in app_info by linking it to a non-existing version number? I guess it would stop Boinc asking for 6.03 work, but probably the wu's pushed to the cpu's would not be processed by the correct executable (since they are given a 6.03 version tag), and they would simply be discarded.

Might this work if the rescheduler would provide the rescheduled units with a version tag that could then be used in app_info.xml to point to the correct executable?

Of course, I can just remove ak_603 from my app_info.xml and get rid of vlar's by killing them, but I prefer not to.

Anybody any ideas?

Regards,
John.

I have a machine at work I've trying to do this with as well. The settings I see in my mind would look like this.
Request CPU MB tasks: No
Request CPU AP tasks: Yes
Request GPU MB tasks: Yes
Request GPU AP tasks: No (I know this doesn't really exist yet)
Then those settings would get communicated to BOINC. So if you disabled all CPU or GPU requesting then it wouldn't sit there and ask for work on that device every few min.

Right now I have that machine in its own venue with "Use CPU (enforced by 6.10+ clients) No". and I'm waiting to see if it gets an AP.

It might be possible to edit the values in your client state.xml file to force BOINC not to request CPU work. These values I would think might be where to start.
<short_term_debt>0.000000</short_term_debt>
<long_term_debt>0.000000</long_term_debt>
<cpu_backoff_interval>0.000000</cpu_backoff_interval>
<cpu_backoff_time>0.000000</cpu_backoff_time>
<cuda_short_term_debt>0.000000</cuda_short_term_debt>
<cuda_debt>0.000000</cuda_debt>
<cuda_backoff_interval>0.000000</cuda_backoff_interval>
<cuda_backoff_time>0.000000</cuda_backoff_time>
Although I'm not 100% which ones do what. My first thought would be to put a really large number in for <short_term_debt>

If BOINC worked in a way where the list of applications for the project was sent to the client. Sort of like how the Tasks > Websites section is populated. It might allow users to change these kinds of settings easier.
5674) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (30) Server problems (Message 974209)
Posted 26 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
To right arkayn.
5675) Message boards : Number crunching : NVidia GT240 - any good for crunching & expected RAC? (Message 974082)
Posted 26 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
the onboard isn't capable of running in crossfire mode. you need to have 2 ATI PCIe Crossfire compatible cards to run in Crossfire mode. the onboard GPU is going to be a bit slower than a PCIe card of similar rating.

You can probably set up an optimized app to run Astropulse in the ATI gpu but the AP WU's are few and far between. Better to do COllatz on it. At least you know you'll actually be doing some work instead of sitting idle

Their board actually does support crossfire with the onboard chip. However, I don't know if that is really important to running BOINC projects. Somewhat like SLI needs to be disabled in NVIDIA cards for everything to work correctly for SETI.
5676) Message boards : Number crunching : Missing credits (Message 974075)
Posted 26 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
If you are referring to the "Projects in which you are participating" section on your account page. That seems to be messed up for several people if not everyone. Mine is displaying 3,221,728 instead of a number closer to 4,322,242.
5677) Message boards : Number crunching : NVidia GT240 - any good for crunching & expected RAC? (Message 973955)
Posted 26 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
This might seem like a dumb question so bear with me. I have a new GA-MA785gmt-UD2H motherboard with quad 64 bit AMD processors. The board comes with a built-in AMD ATI HD 4200 GPU. I was planning to get a second GPU and use the CrossFire feature. Will BOINC be able to use the extra processing power?

I don't see the ATI Radeon HD 4200 on the list of supported cards. So it may not be supported or their documentation might just be out of date. If ATI supports the 4200 for steam processing then BOINC shouldn't have any problems using it.
5678) Message boards : Number crunching : A challenge - looking to build a new seti pc (Message 973913)
Posted 26 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Dave: I don't know how much an Atom 330 with an ION GPU cost over there, but Sten-Arne's seems to be cranking along at a decent pace.
5679) Message boards : Number crunching : HAs your cache size changed due to outage? (Message 973912)
Posted 26 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Nope. My slowest machines run a 10 day cache so they can have a task other then the one they are processing. (60-100hr processing times) Otherwise I use a 5 day cache. Which even over the stuff we had going on last week worked just fine for me.
5680) Message boards : Number crunching : It looks like we're back, but viewing a thread does not mark it as read. (Message 973791)
Posted 25 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I've also just found that I am unable to delete messages in the PM inbox. I guess the message board DB just got a bit frazzeled.
5681) Message boards : Number crunching : If this ain't a kick in the pants.... (Message 973789)
Posted 25 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:


Now that it's warmed back up to room temperature, I can head a faint click click raspy raspy click click if I put me ear right up to it.



That's a noise I got fed up of hearing myself, so I went raid mirror - and ironically haven't had a drive fail since LOL. It's almost as if it's laughing at me for spending the extra money raiding. If I hadn't done it though, you can bet the drive would have failed by now!


For my personal machines I have used RAID0 since whenever 60GB drives were "a big drive" & never had one fail while in this configuration.
5682) Message boards : Number crunching : Looking for RAID advice...... (Message 973780)
Posted 25 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Just lost the HD in the Frozen Nehi, and I need to consider going to RAID on a few rigs so I don't lose everything when I lose a HD.

For starters,

I need to learn about RAID setups.
How many drives do I need to retain all data if one dies?

Do they all need to be identical drives?

Can I convert a current single drive setup (as in my daily driver) to a RAID config without reloading everything?

As the Frozen Nehi's HD apparently is a brick, I'll probably try to get it going this weekend from scratch with the new spare I have....
But I should look into RAID going forward.

You can't convert your drive to a RAID configuration, but can move all of your data from a non-RAID drive to drives in a RAID setup. Unless the controller supports migrating. Software like norton ghost or acronis true image makes it easier if you are doing an OS drive. They are also good if you are upgrading a HD & don't wan to start from scratch. For those apps you don't actually need to install them, you just need the "rescue disk" to move the data.
For simple RAID mirroring just 2 drive are needed & the controller on your system may support this already. Some newer board have basic RAID5 support, which require 3 drives.
You might want to start going over something like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAID to get most of the basics down if this is your first venture into a RAID setup.

EDIT: Looking over the wiki page seems RAID came out of berkeley. lol
5683) Message boards : Number crunching : It looks like we're back, but viewing a thread does not mark it as read. (Message 973759)
Posted 25 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
When I view a long thread like '10-year club', it starts to load as normal. Then, as it reaches 100%, everything shifts down a line, and 'Database error' pops into the vacated space above the message list.

I think that's the point at which the BOINC message board software deems a thread to have been 'read', and makes a note in the user database of what's been read and what hasn't. I guess that the 'Database error' indicates that the web server has lost the ability to write into that bit of the database.

Any web designers/coders able to elucidate further?

I see that in shorter threads as well. Before I thought the "Database error above the author column" was referring to the message boards view not the thread view. I just noticed when typing this message that "Database Error" is displayed above the messages table as well.
It seems like it might be a permission issue. That users are not able to update the database to mark the new messages as read when they are viewing them. However, this function is working though the "mark all read" button. Which may be taking a different route to preform the function.
5684) Message boards : Number crunching : Cricket 101 (Message 973753)
Posted 25 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Given these are troubling times connectivity wise, thought it might be a good opportunity to have a discussion thread drilling down on Cricket nuances, especially to see how cricket changes as things begin to clear up and unwind.

The link I check is --> here. Anybody got another favorite uptime/availabilty graph or stat page (aside of course from the S@H Status page)?

I think most people just look to see if things are painted green, or if the graph drops to zero. The Big Picture isn't in cricket alone of course. Anyone got thoughts on aspects they specifically look at?

I wish BOINC itself could look at the cricket graph when accomodating it's decision on how best to backoff ;-)



Since the graph is just a snapshot, about every 5 min, it doesn't really reflect the current status of the connection. Bandwidth graphs are really more to see how something had been behaving. I use MRTG to collect stats for my router at home. If I download a large amount of stuff in between the collection times it doesn't show up in the graph at all. :/
5685) Message boards : Number crunching : Cool never saw this message before. (Message 973752)
Posted 25 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Just got this message which is much better than a lot lately....

2/24/2010 8:48:45 PM SETI@home Message from server: No work sent
2/24/2010 8:48:45 PM SETI@home Message from server: No work is available for SETI@home Enhanced
2/24/2010 8:48:45 PM SETI@home Message from server: No work is available for Astropulse v5
2/24/2010 8:48:45 PM SETI@home Message from server: (reached daily quota of 2800 tasks)
2/24/2010 8:48:45 PM SETI@home Message from server: (Project has no jobs available)

I normally see that on a new machine when it's downloading work the first day it is setup. Also in situations like we had recently where there was an extended outage & the machine downloaded lots of work all in one go.
5686) Message boards : Number crunching : It looks like we're back, but viewing a thread does not mark it as read. (Message 973614)
Posted 25 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I clicked the "mark all read" after I finished reading the new ones. I'll see what that does for me in the long run.
5687) Message boards : Technical News : The more things change, the more they stay the same. (Message 973611)
Posted 25 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Was SETI@Home hacked?

Came on this morning and a thing for Viagra popped up.

I hate those viagra popups. They are rather annoying.
5688) Message boards : Number crunching : Help wanted (Message 973512)
Posted 23 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have a cc-config xml which gives me extra days for my stats. I have a new machine running Windows 7 and I nned to know where I can place it so that this one can have extra says for stats and not the normal 28 days. I think it has to go into programdata/BOINC but I am not sure. Can anyone help?

I set mine to 180 days... cause I'm nosey like that...
<cc_config>
<log_flags>
</log_flags>
<options>
<save_stats_days>180</save_stats_days>
</options>
</cc_config>
5689) Message boards : Number crunching : Hay! that was fun!! (Message 973510)
Posted 23 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hi, pinged the path to boinc2.ssl.berkeley.edu but results are the same as
before the 'congestion'!

Busy tracing route to boinc2.ssl.berkeley.edu [208.68.240.18]
via maximaal 30 hops:
0 Leisure [192.168.2.2]
1 192.168.2.1
2 195.190.249.32
3 iawxsrt-rt2-bb21-ge-3-1-0.wxs.nl [213.75.64.145]
4 ams-ix.he.net [195.69.145.150]
5 10gigabitethernet4-1.core1.nyc4.he.net [216.66.24.153]
6 10gigabitethernet1-2.core1.chi1.he.net [72.52.92.102]
7 10gigabitethernet3-2.core1.sjc2.he.net [72.52.92.73]
8 10gigabitethernet3-2.core1.pao1.he.net [72.52.92.69]
9 64.71.140.42
10 208.68.243.254
11 boinc2.ssl.berkeley.edu [208.68.240.18]

Statistics being calculated for 275 second's....
From source/endpoint. And connection points.
Hop RTT Verl./verzonden Verloren/verz. Adres
0 Leisure [192.168.2.2]
0/ 100 = 0% |
1 7ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% 192.168.2.1
0/ 100 = 0% |
2 --- 100/ 100 =100% 100/ 100 =100% 195.190.249.32
0/ 100 = 0% |
3 35ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% iawxsrt-rt2-bb21-ge-3-1-0.wxs.nl [213.75.64.145]
0/ 100 = 0% |
4 33ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% ams-ix.he.net [195.69.145.150]
0/ 100 = 0% |
5 122ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% 10gigabitethernet4-1.core1.nyc4.he.net [216.66.24.153]
0/ 100 = 0% |
6 145ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% 10gigabitethernet1-2.core1.chi1.he.net [72.52.92.102]
0/ 100 = 0% |
7 198ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% 10gigabitethernet3-2.core1.sjc2.he.net [72.52.92.73]
0/ 100 = 0% |
8 199ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% 10gigabitethernet3-2.core1.pao1.he.net [72.52.92.69]
1/ 100 = 1% |
9 199ms 1/ 100 = 1% 0/ 100 = 0% 64.71.140.42
10/ 100 = 10% |
10 266ms 11/ 100 = 11% 0/ 100 = 0% 208.68.243.254
6/ 100 = 6% |
11 268ms 17/ 100 = 17% 0/ 100 = 0% boinc2.ssl.berkeley.edu [208.68.240.18]

Trace is completed

Don't see any difference, so this is not a reliable way to check to connection, IMHO.

I don't see how hammering a connection that is having issues with diagnostics helps either.
5690) Message boards : Number crunching : Hay! that was fun!! (Message 973370)
Posted 23 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Just a theory, or perhaps a model to help us have a bit of patience....

Looks like the SETI crew or somebody has cleared whatever was preventing the servers from running at their maximum capacity. Cricket shows the bandwidth is saturated, with several days of pent up demand. A small percentage of us get through, and then things go "whoosh". The rest of the time the servers don't answer your call, and it looks like it has for the last week - but for different reasons.

As those who get through stop calling in so frequently, the rest of the calls will get a chance. but it will take time, probably till after the scheduled outrage tomorrow, for all calls to be answered.

90Mb out & 30Mb in right now... wait... *does some maths*... well it's close enough to 100Mbs I suppose.
5691) Message boards : Number crunching : Some Help needed - Seti Files (not project related) (Message 973369)
Posted 23 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Look in your PM box.
5692) Message boards : Technical News : The more things change, the more they stay the same. (Message 973367)
Posted 23 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Now if Beta would allow finished results to be returned.

Looks like mine uploaded last night.

Scratch that, I was looking at the wrong machine...
5693) Message boards : Technical News : The more things change, the more they stay the same. (Message 973297)
Posted 22 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Now if Beta would allow finished results to be returned.

Looks like mine uploaded last night.
5694) Message boards : Technical News : The more things change, the more they stay the same. (Message 973241)
Posted 22 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Well something has changed, I just uploaded and reported, 3 Cheers to the staff!

Hip, Hip, Hooray!

Hip, Hip, Hooray!

Hip, Hip, Hooray!

Many Thanks, Now We can all get back to what We were doing before. :)

You mean complaining about other things? :)
5695) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (29) Server problems (Message 973238)
Posted 22 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Huge spike on Cricket and my Main cruncher Rig on a Bench just started to upload.
Hopefully things may get back to normal just before the outage tomorrow.

Dave

When I got back to work from lunch I found all my machines had uploaded everything all on their own. Most of them were only like a day behind as they had some uploads getting though the whole time.
5696) Message boards : Number crunching : Problems... (Message 973185)
Posted 22 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

And what will you do if you are at the lab?

Will you:

A) Restart this "nice big Cisco router"?

B) Check/replace the LAN cables between servers and the switch/router?
(I'm not sure of the configuration used)
Especially the cable to Bruno.
I suspect someone in the hurry stepped on or stumbled over the cable.
This will make the interconnection between the server and the router unstable (many errors and retries) which is not visible from outside I think.

C) Restart Bruno?


Or, if you're on the crew here at BNSC.....

D) Chug a beer, scarf a couple slices of pizza, and further contemplate A, B, and C

And then repeat D again until you come up with the nerve to deal with A, B, and C...

E) Get an intern to do it & blame them if it doesn't work.
5697) Message boards : Number crunching : Seti@home screensaver usage (Message 973071)
Posted 22 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
How big is it?
Does it slow down calculations?

e4500 @ 3.0
8800gt

The screen saver will use some CPU. If you want to crunch as fast as you can with the stock application then you would want to not use the screen saver.
5698) Message boards : Number crunching : So will Seti become Obsolete? (Message 972859)
Posted 21 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Personally, I think SETI will only become obsolete when we find ET - and that will be such an overwhelming event that lots of other things will become obsolete too. Like war and money, for starters.

But - warning alert, definition quibble coming up - it depends what question you're really asking.

The Search for Extra-Terrestrial Intelligence? That does and will continue, in universities, institutes, back gardens, and probably secret military installations around the world.

Will SETI@home, the volunteer project that you and I donate our time, energy and spare computer cycles to, continue? I hope and expect so, but it will become increasingly difficult to sustain it while the money being poured into individuals' personal computers is out of balance with the amount donated - whether individually or corporately - to maintain the central infrastructure. If volunteers' personal computers become too powerful for the servers to service, at that point one of these server crash events is going to be terminal. I don't think this is the one, but it could be.

And finally - I'm sure that setiathome the computer program will become obsolete - in a year, or two, or five, or ... It'll just be too darn quick on new hardware. It'll have to be replaced with something which searches a wider frequency range, or for additional types of signals (like Astropulse), or - I don't know what. But something will be needed to stress our home computers much harder, and hence run more slowly - not shifting thousands of simple results every day.

I think once the first signal is found there may be further private/public interest to find more.
5699) Message boards : Number crunching : WTF is going on here, people???? (Message 972854)
Posted 21 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
i have several wu to up load but if i cant get them up soon im going to have to dump them and may be do some othere tasks


Why on earth would you abort completed tasks? They don't take up any CPU cycles.

Baseless threats these days.

For them to be aborted they still have to be reported back as an abort. If they are having issues reporting it doesn't really do anything for them. Really aborting a queue of completed work is a waste of their time as well, but it is their time to waste.
5700) Message boards : Number crunching : Seen any good Atom D510 boards out there? (Message 972639)
Posted 21 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
That Supermicro looks pretty good.
You can also put a full size graphics card on that, likely up to @ 9.5" aka a Sugo SG-05 or SG-06.

Zotac has one coming as well w/ Ion 2 integrated & a full size graphics card slot in pcie2 x16.

That's the one I'm waiting for and will replace my son's older (large, power hungry & disposable) desktop that he uses for mostly kids stuff and watching Sesame Street etc.

Thanks for the tip I'll have to see what Zotac puts together.
5701) Message boards : Number crunching : Seen any good Atom D510 boards out there? (Message 972145)
Posted 20 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I've been scoping out Atom D510 board since they have been coming out and so far have really only come across 2 that I'd consider. One from Super Micro & another from JetWay. The Asus board that is out is really about as basic as the Intel board. Although those two boards are lower in price.

I don't really have a purpose for this board yet. Mostly just testing to see what I might be able to do with it. The boards that use standard DDR2 dimms are more appealing to me since I have 2GB of DDR2-667 laying around.
5702) Message boards : Number crunching : Project Backoff too extreme... (Message 972111)
Posted 20 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Well I now have only 854 to upload...with this backoff it may never happen. Still have 384 that need to be reported. I wish I could make an app to push this damn button!!!


Not pushing it seems like a better option.

Right....do you have 1000 on one machine waiting? Connecting every few hours and maybe getting lucky and one or two get thru is the better way? All last night and most of the day on it's own maybe 20 or so uploaded I have made 390 more upload just the few times I have sat here and posted and played with it. My slower machines are fine or just have a few like yours most likely do, I doubt your manager looks anything like mine.


No, mine doesn't. But even if it did I wouldn't be doing what you're doing and trying to justify it.

What's to justify???
Trying to report work done?????

I have a rig that's got everything uploaded and can't f'n phone home to the servers for days now to report it.

Where are the fish????

Don't try to punt the ball around with me.......I commented on this problem before most even knew it existed.

How about we fill the ball with catnip?
5703) Message boards : Number crunching : Project Backoff too extreme... (Message 972099)
Posted 20 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hmmm a plunger from a doorbell, a 1 minute time delay relay and I could have a 1 minute mouse clicker......now wheres that relay.

Like I said before. You need a macro application.
5704) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (29) Server problems (Message 972092)
Posted 20 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Me thinx that a server has a bad case of gas!!!

No just me... after all of that chili I've been eating.... phew
5705) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (29) Server problems (Message 972088)
Posted 20 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
My slower machines seem to be OK it is main machine that is mostly screwed so I agree with Brodo and feel most don't see what we see.

Maybe there is some kind of BOINC issue with loads of results like you guys have. However ther are some people reporting issues that have like 3 tacks out for processing. Popping over to my i7 I saw it was in the midst of uploading 80 or so tasks. Most of them just went but there are 6 sitting in backoff right now. There are about 120 or so that need reporting. Speaking of which it would be nice if there was a count of tasks for each project in their status. So you could see something like "Seti@home Uploading: 50, Ready To Report: 10, Ready to Start: 100".
On the stat sites it shows most of the top computers got about 50% of their current RAC in credit today. Which means stuff is getting in, just slowly.
5706) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (29) Server problems (Message 972076)
Posted 20 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
All my uploads went through within the last 18 hours, all without me pressing a button. BOINC did it's job and I'm happy.

I gained about 34,000 credit yesterday & about 23,000 so far today without touching anything. Normally I'm somewhere between 24,000-28,000 per day. So while things are not as instant as normal they seem to be working well enough to me.

Ended up with 25,000 credits for the day. So a pretty average day for me. Looking at the stats on Free-DC for my team. Most of my team mates did about their normal as well.
5707) Message boards : Number crunching : Project Backoff too extreme... (Message 972069)
Posted 20 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I love outages, they lead to such colorful discussions in here. :-)

not really.

Really.

:P
5708) Message boards : Number crunching : Project Backoff too extreme... (Message 972065)
Posted 20 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I love outages, they lead to such colorful discussions in here. :-)

not really.
5709) Message boards : Technical News : Out of the fire and into the pit of sulfuric acid. (Feb 19, 2010) (Message 972062)
Posted 20 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
... One of the raid arrays on thumper lost a drive...


you guys seem to loose way to many drives! how many do you have?



anybody got work?

Yes, all my machines are uploading, reporting, & downloading work in a fashion that is reminiscent of a backlog. Some results upload, some fail, backoff kicks in, results uploads after backoff expires, or they don't and it tries again.

Just glancing at the bandwidth chart. It shows that whatever issue was going on didn't really recover until the 18th between 9-10am. So having to recover from an extend outage/slow traffic of about 3 days, along with there being a meltdown in the sever closet, & some server drives going out. I think the recovery is going along nicely.
5710) Message boards : Number crunching : Best tool for doing a through memory test on a server (Message 971846)
Posted 19 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Well, I got the memory in, Installed it, was putting in the last of the 4 DIMMS, and it wouldn't fit. Took a close look, it was DDR2 memory. Contacted seller, he was out of any more of it, but at least I got 5 of the 8 sticks correct. Will need to hunt down 3 more. Am not complaining, the price was right. I've been running the test since last night, with as many options as I could figure out how to enable, ECC, etc, and as of this morning before work, it was towards the end of the 4th pass. I will let it go till at least tomorrow morning, think this is enough (1 1/2 days)?

Also found out a couple interesting things about my server, it has the latest (and so far only) rev of the board, it will only support memory in banks that have a CPU installed, so I need to get another to use all 8 sticks. One more thing to keep an eye out for, but so far, so good, and I got the part # from Dell to buy one, it's only like $18 from them. It has a low end raid controller, only does 0 or 1, but has hot swappable SAS drives. It'll be fun to get this thing loaded up and going.


I ran a memory diag on a server I was having problems with for over a week & never saw issues. The issues was that the server would randomly reboot w/o any log of what happened. Sometimes it wouldbe 10 min, other times 3 days. I finally resorted to putting 2 dimms in at a time & running the server until it's failed. Finally I narrowed it down to a set & ran that pair with the memory diag software. The software didn't detect any issues with it after a 2 day run, but the server would still randomly reboot. Since I've left that pair out I've not had any issues with the machine.
The memory has a "lifetime warranty" sticker on it, but I don't think 2 128mb sticks of EDO ram is worth the postage lol.
5711) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (29) Server problems (Message 971807)
Posted 19 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
All my uploads went through within the last 18 hours, all without me pressing a button. BOINC did it's job and I'm happy.

I gained about 34,000 credit yesterday & about 23,000 so far today without touching anything. Normally I'm somewhere between 24,000-28,000 per day. So while things are not as instant as normal they seem to be working well enough to me.
5712) Message boards : Number crunching : Project Backoff too extreme... (Message 971802)
Posted 19 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
My backoffs have been ongoing for nearly a week, Seti needs to get AP off It's turf and to have a few more servers so that acks can be sent out

Or they can just figure out what the present problem is & fix it. Unlikely to require new hardware to do that.

Look at the numbers. The problem isn't the hardware on the server side, it's 100 upload attempts per second.

And what is the maximum capacity to generate acks by the servers?

Are We 50% over? 100% over? or what?

Probably more like 250%
5713) Message boards : Number crunching : WTF is going on here, people???? (Message 971744)
Posted 19 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Where are the fish??????

That's my schtick, you shmuck.

LOL.

Move along now.

Nothing to see here.



Hey, Mike: (it IS Mike, right?) Just in case you don't know it, schmuck is not a nice word in Yiddish. Or English, for that matter.

But I will be nice, and not insult you back; no flames here. I just want to know what is really wrong with SETI, for reasons in my original post.

Thanks for the fish!


It's Mark and he wasn't insulting you so no reason to even consider insulting back. Once you get accustomed to kitty language it all makes sense. :)

That's why I just address people by the user name. I do well enough to remember my own name. but luckly they gave me a badge at work with my photo on it so I don't have to remember all day.
5714) Message boards : Number crunching : Eric Are you out there or anyone from Seti? (Message 971743)
Posted 19 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Well since the problem is in it will clear itself mode, I am doing my best to help clear the jam. Am working at home today and will keep hitting my buttons until I get Carpel Tunnel, maybe that will clear it up. 1 minute wait is as long as I will accept! In last hour have gone from 185 ready to report to 323 ready and that is all in the time it wanted to wait. Having over 1000 pending is really messing with my machine and I want it back.

You need a macro application.
5715) Message boards : Number crunching : Eric Are you out there or anyone from Seti? (Message 971736)
Posted 19 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
It would take a lot to say" Hey we know and are working on it...."

The problem with that is that people will then expect/demand updates. Every hour or so. Sometimes it's best to ignore the users.

Maybe jsut have an machine that watches the forums. When a lot of complaints crop up automaticly make a post. "Something seems to be wrong we are working on it."
That might cut down on the 20 redundent complains an hour stating something is wrong. Then again just turing off the forums would also provide a solution.
5716) Message boards : Number crunching : Project Backoff too extreme... (Message 971733)
Posted 19 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I use v6.10.18 and it has project backoff.

I wasn't sure, Thanks.

You'd have to go back to whatever the last version of 6.6 was IIRC.
5717) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (29) Server problems (Message 971727)
Posted 19 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I do not think bandwidth has anything to do with this since I'm at UC Berkeley.


Have you stopped in to see if they need a hand? Or are you having any problems with a slowdown on the web?

and the fact that data transfers don't go though the campus network.
5718) Message boards : Number crunching : Eric Are you out there or anyone from Seti? (Message 971726)
Posted 19 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I am curious if anyone from Actual Seti ever even looks in this Forum? I would hope someone would check in at least once a day but lately I really doubt it. If one person spent say 10 minutes a day keeping people informed I can't see how that would be such a huge expense. It would do a lot to shore up the faith of the individual volunteers that wonder just like me.

Sometimes taking 10 minutes to do something else when you are deep in though about what you are working on is the worse thing you can do.

Actually I have found that taking 10 minutes when faced with a problem can sometimes bring a refreshed view to the situation. And talking about it even with someone that doesn't understand the problem can also bring fresh ideas....

Yeah it can go either way. Personaly if I get intrupted when digging around in some code trying to fix a problem I'm no good for some time after that.
5719) Message boards : Number crunching : have CPUs become irrelevant? (Message 971717)
Posted 19 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
For those of us who don't play serious games and therefore don't have a serious GPU, CPUs are very relevant.

Has anybody seen statistics on:
- what per centage of crunchers even have a GPU?
- what per centage of crunching comes from GPUs?

Oh that would be intresting data to know. I nominate you to find out for us! :)
Really I don't know how easy it would be to do. For the results that are processed by the opt apps the Application is just denoted as "Anonymous platform". So the result would have to be examined to find out if it was a CPU or GPU task. Once the results are stored in the DB I don't know if that info is even retained.
5720) Message boards : Number crunching : Eric Are you out there or anyone from Seti? (Message 971705)
Posted 19 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I am curious if anyone from Actual Seti ever even looks in this Forum? I would hope someone would check in at least once a day but lately I really doubt it. If one person spent say 10 minutes a day keeping people informed I can't see how that would be such a huge expense. It would do a lot to shore up the faith of the individual volunteers that wonder just like me.

Sometimes taking 10 minutes to do something else when you are deep in though about what you are working on is the worse thing you can do.
5721) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (29) Server problems (Message 971503)
Posted 19 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Just successfully uploaded the first work unit since Monday. It's taken several weeks to slowly accumulate that last 4,500 RAC and less than five days to drop it. 17,500 to 13,000. Aggravating it is..

How do you think the kitties feel?
Down from around 119,000 to 90,000.
It should rebound once all the work my 8 rigs have done is finally able to be reported. But not all the way, 'cuz 2 out of my 3 Cuda rigs have no fish.

poor kitties having no fishes :(
My home machines have rebounded back to about where they were monday since they got their work reported. No real loss for them with their 5 day cache. My work machines look like they are still working on getting all of their work up, but unless something else happens. Werything will probably get caught up by the end of tomorrow I'd guess.
5722) Message boards : Number crunching : SETI@home Scheduler request failed: Couldn't connect to server (Message 971500)
Posted 19 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
This splains it all.
5723) Message boards : Number crunching : Early SETI contributors - who's still around? (Message 971465)
Posted 19 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I joined September 1, 1999. Completed 5,218 Classic workunits before switching to BOINC (I clung to the old program right up until the bitter end). Closing in on 2,000,000 credits on BOINC.

You know.... I bet there are still some old machines at my last work trying to get new work for classic...
5724) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (29) Server problems (Message 971462)
Posted 19 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:


Please advise

Dan.stew@hotmail.com

Dan....just take a few moments to peruse the closed panic mode thread.

You expect people to read other messages about current problem instead of 100 people posting the same thing? lol :)

We may never find out what the actual problem was, but it looks like things are back up & just in log jam mode atm. After coming back from watching some movies on my HTPC it looks like my home machines all reported & got new work. I just turned a machine back on that I was using to play around on & had run out of work. It uploaded & reported it's results w/o any problems as well.
5725) Message boards : Number crunching : have CPUs become irrelevant? (Message 971460)
Posted 19 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
With Nvidia gearing up to try and take on the server market Intel & Amd will be watching closely I'm sure. Also Sun & IBM might take a peak.
5726) Message boards : Number crunching : back after long downtime (Message 971013)
Posted 18 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
At least the most important part is back up. We can all sit here and complain until they get the rest of the servers online! :-)

exactly!
5727) Message boards : Number crunching : New Power Supply a Monster.... (Message 970968)
Posted 17 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Dude I am an Electrician I assure you I know what I am doing......

I don't trust electricians. They use the black wire for hot....
5728) Message boards : Number crunching : more power Scotty!!! (Message 970963)
Posted 17 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
phud,

For the record, circuit breakers should never dance. Should be on or off. Replace the breaker. I had an electric company employee advise me on this, and it solved a similar problem I had with only two machines & my stereo on one breaker (about 10A on 15A circuit).

Knowing Phud, he probably needs to put an Amp Probe and see what he is drawing. Some of those old farm machines use some power...LOL

Yeah thats a possibility, Eventually even last piece of the old stuff will have to be retired or maybe repurposed. :D


i'll have you guys know that most of the stuff i'm running was manufactured this century!

So were most of my socks.

well my computers have holes in them...filled with fans, how about your socks?

Not so much with the fan, but church socks they might just be.
5729) Message boards : Number crunching : more power Scotty!!! (Message 970907)
Posted 16 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
phud,

For the record, circuit breakers should never dance. Should be on or off. Replace the breaker. I had an electric company employee advise me on this, and it solved a similar problem I had with only two machines & my stereo on one breaker (about 10A on 15A circuit).

Knowing Phud, he probably needs to put an Amp Probe and see what he is drawing. Some of those old farm machines use some power...LOL

Yeah thats a possibility, Eventually even last piece of the old stuff will have to be retired or maybe repurposed. :D


i'll have you guys know that most of the stuff i'm running was manufactured this century!

So were most of my socks.
5730) Message boards : Technical News : On the Beach (Feb 04 2010) (Message 970888)
Posted 16 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
is this, unable to upload, a domain name resolution problem again, or a real seti problem?

D) None of the above?
5731) Message boards : Number crunching : Intel Atom processor (Message 970887)
Posted 16 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Would an Atom be a good companion for my Telescope? Been thinking about getting the parts to view my Telescope on a laptop as my eyes don't like the squinting anymore. Would an Atom be a good choice for the display?

A lot of netbooks have smaller displays. So perhaps not the best choice.
5732) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (28) Server problems (Message 970872)
Posted 16 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I've been getting hit with the same UL problem as everyone else all night long, I still have work as I have a 5 day cache(I've kept internet access for Boinc halted most of the time with an occasional test that says It's still fouled up somewhere), Hopefully though the problem will get fixed as soon as possible, Until then I wait. :D

I've just left mine alone. Every now and then some uploads or results squeak though.
5733) Message boards : Number crunching : SETI@home Scheduler request failed: Couldn't connect to server (Message 970871)
Posted 16 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
16/02/2010 14:38:56 SETI@home Scheduler request failed: Couldn't connect to server


I'm getting this all day today. Is it me or are the project servers down? http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/sah_status.html doesn't list anything special though.

It's been occurring since yesterday. I think it was a comment in the Technical News by someone that there is a general internet SNAFU by Level3 in that area.
5734) Message boards : Number crunching : your least liked motherboard brand (Message 970870)
Posted 16 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hi all.

It's simply a cruncher/media storage machine that I would like to fit 2 cuda cards into, GTX260 or 725 (depending on price and rac vs wattage) running either win7 64 bit or xp pro 32bit any advice would be appreciated.

Thanks in advance

Lou AKA Spectrum

For LGA 775 boards now my preferences would be
-Intel BOXDP45SG
-GIGABYTE GA-EP45-UD3P
For LGA 1156 boards
-ASUS P7P55 LX

Unless you already have a CPU for the new board it might be cheaper to get a low end i5/i7 system. In a lot of situations you can get a higher end CPU for less money.
5735) Message boards : Number crunching : your least liked motherboard brand (Message 970828)
Posted 16 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hi all.

Can anyone suggest a good bang for buck motherboard LGA775 that can handle 2 cuda cards?

If you want 2 full PCIe x16 slots you would need the X48 chipset, or one of nvidias. I think the 750i SLI chipset.... The P45 chipset will give you 2 PCIe x8 slots when both are populated. This might be what you want if you are going for a gaming machine & crunching. Which board are the best bang for the buck for you would be hard for me to say. In the US P45 board start around $90. Depending what features you want included the price goes up from there. I paid $140 for my GIGABYTE GA-EP45T-UD3P in April of last year.
5736) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (28) Server problems (Message 970773)
Posted 15 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The bandwidth graph shows a sudden change around 9AM on the graph. I guess when someone get into work somewhere they did naughty.
/me blames the internet
5737) Message boards : Number crunching : NEW Pref.: Suspend work if CPU usage is > XX % (Message 970682)
Posted 15 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
HAL9000:
25% does seem low to me, but considering the very large range of computers out there it is probably a good default. On a quad core or such system 25% is 1 core at full load. So in most cases I don't see 25% coming into effect most of the time. On a dual core system I wouldn't really want BOINC to stop processing the science apps just because I was doing something that maxed out 1 core.

It's a good feature, but I don't have a use for it at the moment so to 0 it goes.


This preference will not work this way.

My understanding is that if something outside BOINC uses e.g. 30% CPU
(AV scan in progress; you start Firefox; Almost any program at start will use > 25% CPU)
all the processing stops on all CPUs (cores) & on all GPUs (as if you choose "Snooze" from the tray icon).

After the CPU usage becomes < 25% the processing resumes.

This implies many stops/restarts of the WUs (big overhead especially on CUDA).
And if it occurs every minute the apps have no chance to checkpoint?

.

On older systems, mostly single core CPU's, I could see that as an issue. With the newer processors that have more cores the load on the processor is less. Percentage wise at least. On my i7 system with 4 cores & HT. Loading 1 core to 100% is 13% processor load. Which I do not think should cause BOINC to stop processing with the value set to 25%. So for newer multi core systems I don't see 25% as an issue. Just the large number of older single or dual core systems.

On my Core 2 Due launching apps like Firefox, IE, & such only shows 3-6% load. Th highest load I could find for launching was winamp with 8%.

I do wonder how they came up with the value of 25% tho.
5738) Message boards : Number crunching : Playstation 3 - can i use it for seti? (Message 970679)
Posted 15 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
If its a newer PS3, I believe its was posted that Sony took away the ability to run a 3rd party OS like yellow dog linux. If you have a newer PS3 you won't be able to do anything for seti

I think even the old ones will no longer win it if you have updated the system to the newest level. They did that some point.... late 2008 I think.
5739) Message boards : Number crunching : Playstation 3 - can i use it for seti? (Message 970635)
Posted 14 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I know this was asked years ago on here, but I have a ps3 sat on my shelf doing nothing, its on most of the time to run dvds etc but never really for games only on beer nights!

my question is can I use this to run seti? surely with such a powerfull processor and gpu we could put the millions of PS3's to use?

I will ofer mine as a test machine if needed!

dave

Yep, it sure can. Here is a link to a thread with some links for you to get started.
One thing to make note of if that due to limitations by Sony, or maybe their licensing with IBM, the full power of the PS3 can not be used for general computing. Ther was some news a while back that someone had hacked the PS3 to allow full use of its resources, but I haven't seen that out in the public yet.
5740) Message boards : Number crunching : more power Scotty!!! (Message 970632)
Posted 14 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
are you being "snippy"?

I don't think he's a vet.
5741) Message boards : Number crunching : Why won't SETI stop running? (Message 970623)
Posted 14 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Boinctray.exe is needed for when you run as a service on Windows Vista or Windows 7, or run the client (boinc.exe) without BOINC Manager. Both BOINC Manager and Boinctray.exe do idle tracking.

In Windows XP just running the client (boinc.exe) will check for the computer being idle. This method cannot be used in Vista and 7, so that's why the idle check was added to BM and BT.

Thanks for the info on BT. I had only seen before that it was used for Vista/7 to detect idle activity, & not that the functionality was also in BM.
I could still see permission issues effecting OffBeatMammal's operation.
5742) Message boards : Number crunching : Curious about AP (Message 970622)
Posted 14 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
My ATI machine finally got an AP unit but did it on the Processor...Would my problem be in my app_info file? If so if I post it here can someone fix it?

This might help if you don't have it. If you do have the hybrid app then I expect you would need to not use the CPU only AP application. The sticky thread about the ATI Hybrid AP app has a link to the forum posting with more details as well.
5743) Message boards : Number crunching : NEW Pref.: Suspend work if CPU usage is > XX % (Message 970619)
Posted 14 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
David Anderson, Alpha email list wrote:
The major complaint about BOINC among new users is "it slows down my computer" (and typically they uninstall).
E.g. games don't play as fast, streaming video has glitches.

I think the default should be to eliminate slow-down as much as possible.

-- David

So they are making default settings so that people that don't know how to change settings will not be effected as much it looks like. Which makes sense overall. People that don't have idea what they are doing will be less effect & other that know what to change will most likely disable it. It may lead to more science getting done if it can be shows to have a lower impact on users.
5744) Message boards : Number crunching : NEW Pref.: Suspend work if CPU usage is > XX % (Message 970510)
Posted 14 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
25% does seem low to me, but considering the very large range of computers out there it is probably a good default. On a quad core or such system 25% is 1 core at full load. So in most cases I don't see 25% coming into effect most of the time. On a dual core system I wouldn't really want BOINC to stop processing the science apps just because I was doing something that maxed out 1 core.

It's a good feature, but I don't have a use for it at the moment so to 0 it goes.

I've also set it to 0 across my different venues, it caused my single core XP3200 to suspend computation, when i suspended a task that was running, to get a Shortie to run instead,
needs a higher value here, or it disabled, i might set it to a high value on one of the C2D's, then try some video encoding,
but i think it should have been set at 0 as default, and let the users decide their setting.

Claggy

On some of my really old systems windows reports about 10-12% CPU usage when the machine is at idle just from the background processes running. So I could see 25% usage getting tripped pretty often. But since the science applications are just using idle processor cycles the new setting is a bit counter intuitive to that whole idea. Since they effective throttle when something else needs the processor.
5745) Message boards : Number crunching : more power Scotty!!! (Message 970507)
Posted 14 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
amazingly enough all the computers cut off but one...
it never cuts off...
don't know why...
but it does get quiet...
the shop is the loud place now...

Maybe you can add sound deadening panels to the walls. Altho, It might resemble a padded cell at that point. :)
5746) Message boards : Number crunching : Rig on the BENCH (Message 970506)
Posted 14 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Wow you really got all those cables stuffed in there pretty well. I suppose that means "Rig on bench" needs a new name now...
5747) Message boards : Number crunching : NEW Pref.: Suspend work if CPU usage is > XX % (Message 970505)
Posted 14 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
25% does seem low to me, but considering the very large range of computers out there it is probably a good default. On a quad core or such system 25% is 1 core at full load. So in most cases I don't see 25% coming into effect most of the time. On a dual core system I wouldn't really want BOINC to stop processing the science apps just because I was doing something that maxed out 1 core.

It's a good feature, but I don't have a use for it at the moment so to 0 it goes.
5748) Message boards : Number crunching : Why won't SETI stop running? (Message 970501)
Posted 14 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I don't allow boinctray.exe to run.

It only detects keyboard and mouse activity -- if you want BOINC to stop when someone is using the computer, you need to detect keyboard/mouse activity. If you don't, you don't.

Yes, If I disable the "While Computer is in use" setting, and set "Only after computer has been idle" to .50 seconds. Then when I move the mouse processing stops. Then when I stop moving the mouse processing begins again after 30 seconds. All without boinctray.exe running. I get a bunch of messages in the log informing me what it's doing as well.
2/14/2010 9:12:06 AM Resuming computation
2/14/2010 9:12:06 AM Resuming network activity
2/14/2010 9:12:09 AM Suspending computation - user is active
2/14/2010 9:12:09 AM Suspending network activity - user is active
2/14/2010 9:12:19 AM Resuming computation
2/14/2010 9:12:19 AM Resuming network activity
2/14/2010 9:12:26 AM Suspending computation - user is active
2/14/2010 9:12:26 AM Suspending network activity - user is active
I was actually using a value like .12 instead of .50.
5749) Message boards : Number crunching : Why won't SETI stop running? (Message 970410)
Posted 14 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I don't allow boinctray.exe to run. I haven't had any issues with BOINC not stopping science applications from running when told to or restarting them when the timer elapses.
I'm not sure where the issue might be, but it could be related to user permissions I suppose. On all my machines the user that is logged in is an admin & all the UAC settings are disabled.
You might want to use Task Manager & look at what "user" is running the applications. This could point to the right directions to take to get things working correctly for you.
5750) Message boards : Number crunching : more power Scotty!!! (Message 970408)
Posted 14 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Oh it's creepy how quiet things get when the power goes out like that.
5751) Message boards : Number crunching : Optimized AstroPulse_v505 5.06 for OSX (Intel) x64 & x32 OS & FreeBSD x64 OS (Message 970403)
Posted 14 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Yep, the T2500 supports SSE3 and can run the 32-bit version.

The E8135 can run the 64-bit version.

Thanks, I was looking for something like CPU-Z for the MAC, but hadn't come across one yet.
5752) Message boards : Number crunching : Optimized AstroPulse_v505 5.06 for OSX (Intel) x64 & x32 OS & FreeBSD x64 OS (Message 970139)
Posted 13 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Optimized AstroPulse_v505 5.06 for OSX (Intel) x64 & x32 OS & FreeBSD x64 OS
Updated 2.10.09 w/ new Application_v505 5.06 & revision r237 available now at: Lunatics

Hi Everyone,

SETI@Home AstroPulse optimized applications for Mac OSX (Intel) and FreeBSD (Intel/AMD) have been released.
This release offers significantly improved performance for computers running 64 and 32 bit versions of Mac OSX and 64 bit versions of FreeBSD.

Thanks to Urs Echternacht for updated source improvements and porting to FreeBSD and OSX, derived from original r112 by Crunch3r, Jason G & Raistmer.

Special thanks once again go to zvonas for motivating the FreeBSD builds, Arkayn and Gecko_R7 for OSX alpha testing & all the Lunatics members who performed final Beta testing, for their expertise, input & assistance.

To all of you we value your input and would like to hear from you at Lunatics'

Regards,
The Lunatics Team

Cool, I've one at least 1 newer MAc that this should run on, Maybe. If the Core Duo Mac supports SSE3.
5753) Message boards : Number crunching : Rig on the BENCH (Message 969935)
Posted 12 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I don't think I've asked a silly question yet today so why not drop one here.

When you mock something up like this with no case, is grounding an issue?

For the DC rails this isn't really an issue. For an "earth ground" to shield against EMI & RF then yes. If you have a lot of that floating around. However, In general it's not going to hurt anything.
5754) Message boards : Number crunching : Why so much pending credit... (Message 969934)
Posted 12 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
But if that option was available and everyone did it, then there would end up being not enough tasks waiting to be validated (until the task got to high priority mode). Someone has to go first in the wingman pair.

Actually, wouldn't that mean that the second WU couldn't be issued until it "needed validation" and that doesn't happen until the first one is done?

Ah, I didn't consider the option of not issuing the 2nd WU until the first one was ready to be validated. I was picturing both WUs being issued and each one waiting for the other to finish first, thus neither would start processing until the deadline was about to be reached.

However, not issuing the 2nd WU until the first is returned only introduces even longer wait times and more pending credit for those who don't select "Validation: yes"

I think the best things to add is "It's not broken, so it doesn't need fixed."
5755) Message boards : Technical News : On the Beach (Feb 04 2010) (Message 969931)
Posted 12 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Good afternoon,

"Server Status" shows upload servers in the green.

However, I am unable to upload two results at this point. (Another is close to finishing)

Can anyone advise?

Thanks

ron,


ps Happpy Valentines Day to all the ladies.

The 6.6.xx client has a problem sometimes. Restarting BOINC or your computer should fix your upload problem.
5756) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (28) Server problems (Message 969865)
Posted 11 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Uploads are turned back on. Secondary science DB might be up soon as well then.

I think we're being watched. ;)

*covers eyes* If I can't see them they can't see me!
5757) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (28) Server problems (Message 969856)
Posted 11 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Uploads are turned back on. Secondary science DB might be up soon as well then.
5758) Message boards : Number crunching : Why so much pending credit... (Message 969853)
Posted 11 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Each time work is returned, the quota is doubled.

or have an option for impatient people to only process tasks that need to be validated.

That one gets my vote.

But if that option was available and everyone did it, then there would end up being not enough tasks waiting to be validated (until the task got to high priority mode). Someone has to go first in the wingman pair.

Actually, wouldn't that mean that the second WU couldn't be issued until it "needed validation" and that doesn't happen until the first one is done?

That's is sorta how I had it worked out in my head when I posted that.
1. A task would be put in a queue for unprocessed work.
2. The task would be assigned to a user.
3. The task would be completed or timed out.
4. If the task was complete put the task in a needs validation queue. Else put the task back in the unprocessed work queue.
5. The task would be assigned to a user for validation processing.
6. The task would be completed or timed out.
7. If the task was complete check the task for validation. Else put the task back in the needs validation queue.
8. If the task fails validation put the task in the needs validation queue.
This would require more back end stuff to happen and in general more monkey motion. Which is probably why it isn't done this way.

EDIT:
To have users select what that would want to process there would probably need to be options in the "Run only the selected applications" settings like
SETI@home Enhanced: yes
SETI@home Enhanced Validation: yes
5759) Message boards : Number crunching : Question on BOINC versions (Message 969802)
Posted 11 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Good morning all...

There is an email coming to many Boinc users. A survey but they want your email and passwords...DON'T GIVE THEM THAT---DIRECTOR DR. ANDERSON NEEDS TO LOOK AT THAT; HE SIGNED IT...I AM SUSPICIOUS...I WILL NOT GIVE THAT INFO; SETI ALREADY HAS THAT INFO...

SOMEONE NEEDS TO ADDRESS THIS RIGHT AWAY BEFORE PEOPLE FALL FOR IT. IF IT IS REAL, IT IS DONE VERY POORLY!

Best,

mizzou

I would think something of this nature might be worthy of it's own post, rather then a comment in an unrelated thread.
5760) Message boards : Number crunching : 'eFMer Priority' - (CUDA) app priority change (Message 969794)
Posted 11 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hi,
At the risk of getting eaten alive by older serving forum members
I would like to make a contribution to this issue of making changes
to the priority of processes.
I too have been testing the effects of doing this in an attempt to improve the speed of unit number crunching.
So far my visual results on RAC seem to be increasing.
A good sign one would hope.

I would like to offer to the community the little utility to do the job.
If you like it, please do pass comments back via this forum or give me a PM.

If you don't please go easy, as its a first attempt at offering a utility to help our fellow crunchers.

Download from here: Seti Priority Utility

[ img ]http://www.dncsa.co.uk/PriorityScreen1.jpg[ /img ]

well after reading many of the above posts i will be looking at making some changes
so that each process can be set independently.
just have to find some more free time to do it.

Happy crunching.
Comasic.

I had 2 thoughts.
-Have the app look in the project folder & read the applications being used. Probably looking for app_info.xml first. Then if not found read exe names.
-You might want separate updates times in the event of MB, AP, or CUDA processes.
5761) Message boards : Number crunching : Question on BOINC versions (Message 969790)
Posted 11 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thanks all for the (as usual) knowledgeable information. I think I will go ahead and upgrade for the libcurl fix for myself and the "don't pound the servers" for the good of the project.

Remember that the libcurl fix first appeared in v6.10.22 - but that version was a no-no for other reasons.

If the purpose of upgrading is libcurl, you're pretty much limited to v6.10.25 or v6.10.32 - and there's a general bug in the entire v6.10.xx range, fixed but not yet deployed, so v6.10.32 won't be the end of the development line. (Just don't use <ncpus>0</ncpus> - that's the only problem I know of).

I've had v6.10.25 on most of my machines for a while. It is a pretty stable release IMO.
5762) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (28) Server problems (Message 969776)
Posted 11 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Looks more like the upload server was disabled to give the validatiors a chance to catch up. The "Results returned and awaiting validation" number is dropping like a rock. In the past 10 min down about 15,000.
5763) Message boards : Number crunching : Why won't SETI stop running? (Message 969671)
Posted 11 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Its probably not related, but one of the PCs I have access to (4589185), would not stop running BOINC. S@H is the only project I run on BOINC. To cut a long story short, I closed BOINC as normal last night, noticed the core temps were still elevated and checked on BOINC still running. It was still running. Even after shutting down BOINC Manager through Windows Task Manager, it was still running and I had to 'shut down' the AK-V8 app through Task Manager, before it actually stopped. To be accurate, I had to stop the app, several times, because, somehow, once I'd stopped AK-V8 running, it then appears to have gone to the next task and carried on....meaning I had to repeat the process. That means that BOINC was STILL running! Nett result; errors while computing, for the first time - everything that was in the 'cache'. In this case, I am attributing the problem to Windows and the possibility that Windows Program Manager is a little 'fried'. A re-install on XP SP3 is on the cards.

sometimes when boinc manager crashes boinc.exe will still be running. It is really the application that's does most of the controlling. If it were still running that would explain what you had happening.
5764) Message boards : Number crunching : What's with the downtime? (Message 969638)
Posted 10 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I wonder how many of those people have "% of time BOINC client is running 99.9999 %" & "While BOINC running, % of time work is allowed 99.9999 %" for their machines. Looking all of my machines, most of them are 95-97% for "BOINC client is running".

Setting aside the obvious "if you can't walk the walk, don't talk the talk" argument for a moment, the current BOINC design should allow the average client to achieve 99.999% even if the servers themselves are under 90%.

That was the real point of my post: BOINC as a system includes the BOINC clients and the BOINC servers, and as long as BOINC can feed something to the science applications, it's successful -- when work is reported or how much is in the queue isn't important as long as you have at least one work unit for each processor, and as long as work is not lost.

BOINC as a system can have 99.999% availability even when the individual parts are far less reliable.

Yeah that is one of the more interesting parts. It's sorta like a giant global data center.
5765) Message boards : Number crunching : What's with the downtime? (Message 969626)
Posted 10 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
S@H has a lot of subscribers. One imagines the backend infrastructure to be a couple racks full of high end/high speed storage and whopping great big web and db servers to support all the lovely people using the service and contributing to humanity. That's apparently not quite the case, leading us to the weekly outages of 3 to 4 hours (of which I've never seen one so short.) So, I posit the question "what's goin on?", to which the general reply is "DB stuff. cool huh?"

What isn't completely apparent is that there are two experiments going on here: the SETI@Home experiment, which is trying to find ET, and the BOINC experiment, which is trying to see how many calculations can be done on virtually no money.

SETI@Home is highly constrained on budget. They get one server closet at the lab. They're limited to the available power in that one closet (and A/C, and everything that goes with it). Most of the servers are fairly random donations.

Bandwidth is also limited (although we have hopes that someday CNS will find a way to bring more to the lab).

So, BOINC has features (like caching) to make sure that the clients can keep crunching when the servers are unavailable (maintenance, outage or high loading) and some timers and etc. to try to even out the load.

A missed report is no big deal, it'll be reported later, when things are back up.

Compare that to Amazon, where a single missed opportunity is a missed sale.

Amazon needs monster servers, runs lightly loaded, and has redundant connections and even redundant data centers.

SETI@Home doesn't have the money for that kind of infrastructure, and BOINC removes the need.

... at least as far as the machines are concerned. Some of the people think SETI@Home needs 99.999% uptime.


I wonder how many of those people have "% of time BOINC client is running 99.9999 %" & "While BOINC running, % of time work is allowed 99.9999 %" for their machines. Looking all of my machines, most of them are 95-97% for "BOINC client is running".
5766) Message boards : Number crunching : What's with the downtime? (Message 969620)
Posted 10 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I still can't see what the big deal is about "outages". My crunchers run out of SETI work maybe once a year, for a day or two at the most. I give all my staff some time off now and then, as long as they arrange coverage during their absence. One or two unplanned sick days a year for SETI is better than the average.


From where I sit it's not a big deal... I'm not complaining, and I don't hear anyone else complaining either. Just a matter of simple curiosity. (and fortunately I'm not a cat, so I don't need to worry in this instance...)

S@H has a lot of subscribers. One imagines the backend infrastructure to be a couple racks full of high end/high speed storage and whopping great big web and db servers to support all the lovely people using the service and contributing to humanity. That's apparently not quite the case, leading us to the weekly outages of 3 to 4 hours (of which I've never seen one so short.) So, I posit the question "what's goin on?", to which the general reply is "DB stuff. cool huh?"

They can take it down for a week. As long as I've got w/u's buffered (which I do, by a few days) I'm pretty happy. Besides, free is free, and in the end you get what you pay for. (Personally, I'd love to buy S@H a nice big fat blade chassis with all the storage they can handle... )

But ultimately, this explains a lot...

Part of the science they are doing there in Berkeley is the tracking of migration patterns of Dust Bunnies.

They have to go through each and every server and network switch and capture, tag, then release, each dust bunny they can. This science is funded by the packing-peanut industry. They want to know if dust bunnies would make a good substitute for foam packing-peanuts.


In any case, thanks for the info, all.

Your point is rather valid. If outages are normally longer why not update the downtime message to reflect this. Maybe just change it to 4-8 hours. Then when it runs short of 8 hours everyone will be happy instead of curious as to why it's still down?
As the DB grows I would tend to expect the downtime to increase. Unless the rate of DB growth is less then that of their ability to increase DB server equipment. Tho a bit more downtime is the easiest resource to acquire.
5767) Message boards : Number crunching : Max temp for Athlon64 X2 5200+ ?? (Message 969610)
Posted 10 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Looks like Nvidia is redoing their site right now. The pages that lists CUDA devices did include all the 8000 cards form the 8100 up. Right now the list of cards is much shorter. With the 200 series cards missing from the list. The Wikipedia pages for CUDA shows the cards that were listed on Nvidias site before. I guess they might be dropping CUDA support for the older cards with the newer drivers.
5768) Message boards : Number crunching : What's with the downtime? (Message 969509)
Posted 10 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Talk about Murphy's law: we tell the OP that the outages aren't that long, and the outage turns out to be really long.

AH, Mr. Murphy, he's a cruel one he is.
5769) Message boards : Number crunching : Why won't SETI stop running? (Message 969502)
Posted 9 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
That's very strange. The BOINC client controls all the science app processing, so it's weird that BOINC properly controls the other two apps but not SETI@Home.

Thing is, I'm not sure where to begin troubleshooting this issue. Perhaps someone else will come along with an idea or two.

Maybe one of the debug cc_config settings could point to the issue? I'm not sure which tho.
5770) Message boards : Number crunching : Why so much pending credit... (Message 969499)
Posted 9 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

You can't have .58 of a task pending, or anywhere else for that matter!


Oh, okay, I see what you're saying now.

That said, though it's nowhere near as bad as having 67k tasks pending, 67000 cobblestones pending is still several standard deviations higher than I've ever seen before.

The process that does the validating was off for a day or two. That is most likely the reason of the rapid increase in pending credit. Mine that is normally around 50,000 got up to about 85,000. Not that is really matters.
5771) Message boards : Number crunching : What's with the downtime? (Message 969496)
Posted 9 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The maintenance outage usually take 3 to 4 hours if they don't hit any snags.


Well, today feels like a usual day ;-) So lets see which it is.

Anybody got a method to correlate the cricket with the status page to come up with a fairly accurate set of times for when the levers were thrown OFF and then back ON (aside from hitting F5 all day :-) ) ?



For me on EST they go down about 1PM & are often back up around 6-7PM
5772) Message boards : Number crunching : Tasks validated with 0 seconds and 0 points (Message 969317)
Posted 8 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
In user mode, BOINC 6.10.xx works just fine on a 2000 DC & a 2003 DC. The installer doesn't want to cooperate, but it runs fine none the less.
5773) Message boards : Number crunching : Question on BOINC versions (Message 969301)
Posted 8 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I've been sitting on version 6.6.36 for months now and was wondering if an upgrade to 6.10.x would be to my benefit? I'm not running CUDA and I'm using all optimized apps. What features might I be missing out on?


It's not a factor with SETI, but on some other projects it's helpful to know when the application is (or is not) doing checkpoints. 6.10.18 has a properties button that allows you to see when the last checkpoint occurred, amongst other information. Yeah, you can have checkpointing listed in the log if you want, but that's a LOT of log messages if you're checkpointing frequently.

Also, you can do multiple selections using shift-click or control-click. That's very handy for those "oops, I didn't really want to get those 500 WUs" types of situations.

I've been able to do that since I started crunching again in July with 6.6.something .28 maybe?
5774) Message boards : Number crunching : Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU 330 @ 1.60GHz +NVIDIA ION (512MB) driver: 19621 (Message 969299)
Posted 8 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have an Atom N270 sitting here at sixteen watts total.

If you could put a single PCI CUDA card in it (or even ION plus a PCI card) it might do quite well.

I do realize that there aren't many PCI CUDA cards.

The highest CUDA card for PCI I've seen is a 9500GT. I only found it as we were searching for some higher end PCI cards for old test systems that have built in 8mb Ati rage video.
5775) Message boards : Number crunching : Does anyone else with XP64 use rescheduler? (Message 969297)
Posted 8 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Missed that, Note to self put glasses on next time and look closer. :o

That happens to me before I've had coffee normally.
5776) Message boards : Number crunching : Question on BOINC versions (Message 969256)
Posted 8 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I've been sitting on version 6.6.36 for months now and was wondering if an upgrade to 6.10.x would be to my benefit? I'm not running CUDA and I'm using all optimized apps. What features might I be missing out on?

There is a libcurl.dll fix in one of the new versions. I don't recall if it was 6.10.18 or if it was 6.10.2x. Also in the tasks list there is an option to only display active tasks. I think 6.10.xx versions also have "don't pound the crap out of the servers" code in them.
5777) Message boards : Number crunching : Tasks validated with 0 seconds and 0 points (Message 969253)
Posted 8 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Unfortunately, seeking judicious crediting is somewhat frowned upon around here as unscientific folly. Technically, it's a Boinc bug, so you might have better luck in their forum, but they'll probably just say the S@H project is able to restrict clients who fall below a certain Boinc version (ie: less than 6.x.x), but they opted not to.

You can't cut-off v5-users, since v6 still doesn't work on domain controllers, and if not mistaken also any other computers that's part of a domain has problems with v6...


I think the issues is with v4 users.
5778) Message boards : Number crunching : Does anyone else with XP64 use rescheduler? (Message 969252)
Posted 8 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Heres the log on the first try I set the wrong location on purpose...

---------------------------
Reschedule version 1.9
Time: 07-02-2010 21:47:51
User testing for a reschedule
CPU tasks: 0 (0 VLAR, 0 VHAR)
GPU tasks: 0 (0 VLAR, 0 VHAR)
No reschedule needed
Error:C:\Documents and Settings\Boinc\projects\setiathome.berkeley.edu\client_state.xml does not exist.
Error:C:\Documents and Settings\Boinc\projects\client_state.xml does not exist.
---------------------------
Reschedule version 1.9
Time: 07-02-2010 21:48:36
User testing for a reschedule
CPU tasks: 0 (0 VLAR, 0 VHAR)
GPU tasks: 0 (0 VLAR, 0 VHAR)
No reschedule needed
---------------------------
Reschedule version 1.9
Time: 07-02-2010 21:49:02
User testing for a reschedule
CPU tasks: 0 (0 VLAR, 0 VHAR)
GPU tasks: 0 (0 VLAR, 0 VHAR)
No reschedule needed


When the correct data folder is used does it still give an error like this, or just show 0 tasks?

0 Tasks, I think it is the version I am using and don't know how to get 603...

User forced a reschedule
Option "Force VHAR to CPU" is enabled
Option "Only VLar+VHar to CPU" is enabled
Stopping BOINC application
BOINC application is stopped
Boinc applications
setiathome_enhanced 603 windows_x86_64
setiathome_enhanced 608 windows_x86_64 cuda
CPU tasks: 0 (0 VLAR, 0 VHAR)

Now this has been bugging Me for a bit, Why is Reschedule version 1.9 looking in Projects? As Client state files are up above the project folder in Boinc, At least that's where mine are at, at any rate. As Slots is in the same folder as Projects and Symbols, Unless Boinc has moved It recently of course.

Because he set the wrong folder on purpose that time.
5779) Message boards : Number crunching : Does anyone else with XP64 use rescheduler? (Message 969178)
Posted 8 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Heres the log on the first try I set the wrong location on purpose...

---------------------------
Reschedule version 1.9
Time: 07-02-2010 21:47:51
User testing for a reschedule
CPU tasks: 0 (0 VLAR, 0 VHAR)
GPU tasks: 0 (0 VLAR, 0 VHAR)
No reschedule needed
Error:C:\Documents and Settings\Boinc\projects\setiathome.berkeley.edu\client_state.xml does not exist.
Error:C:\Documents and Settings\Boinc\projects\client_state.xml does not exist.
---------------------------
Reschedule version 1.9
Time: 07-02-2010 21:48:36
User testing for a reschedule
CPU tasks: 0 (0 VLAR, 0 VHAR)
GPU tasks: 0 (0 VLAR, 0 VHAR)
No reschedule needed
---------------------------
Reschedule version 1.9
Time: 07-02-2010 21:49:02
User testing for a reschedule
CPU tasks: 0 (0 VLAR, 0 VHAR)
GPU tasks: 0 (0 VLAR, 0 VHAR)
No reschedule needed


When the correct data folder is used does it still give an error like this, or just show 0 tasks?

0 Tasks, I think it is the version I am using and don't know how to get 603...

User forced a reschedule
Option "Force VHAR to CPU" is enabled
Option "Only VLar+VHar to CPU" is enabled
Stopping BOINC application
BOINC application is stopped
Boinc applications
setiathome_enhanced 603 windows_x86_64
setiathome_enhanced 608 windows_x86_64 cuda
CPU tasks: 0 (0 VLAR, 0 VHAR)

Maybe it is the 528 work like you were thinking. Looks like it is only looking for 603 stuff.
5780) Message boards : Number crunching : Does anyone else with XP64 use rescheduler? (Message 969175)
Posted 8 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Heres the log on the first try I set the wrong location on purpose...

---------------------------
Reschedule version 1.9
Time: 07-02-2010 21:47:51
User testing for a reschedule
CPU tasks: 0 (0 VLAR, 0 VHAR)
GPU tasks: 0 (0 VLAR, 0 VHAR)
No reschedule needed
Error:C:\Documents and Settings\Boinc\projects\setiathome.berkeley.edu\client_state.xml does not exist.
Error:C:\Documents and Settings\Boinc\projects\client_state.xml does not exist.
---------------------------
Reschedule version 1.9
Time: 07-02-2010 21:48:36
User testing for a reschedule
CPU tasks: 0 (0 VLAR, 0 VHAR)
GPU tasks: 0 (0 VLAR, 0 VHAR)
No reschedule needed
---------------------------
Reschedule version 1.9
Time: 07-02-2010 21:49:02
User testing for a reschedule
CPU tasks: 0 (0 VLAR, 0 VHAR)
GPU tasks: 0 (0 VLAR, 0 VHAR)
No reschedule needed


When the correct data folder is used does it still give an error like this, or just show 0 tasks?
5781) Message boards : Number crunching : App_info question ... (Message 969163)
Posted 8 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
You can remove the 603 section if you like. you will just no longer get any work.


You can still get work for 528. In fact 528, 603, and 608/9 will all cross-validate just fine.

The only differences between the SETI App versions (not to be confused with the Lunatic's app version):

528 - original app with screen saver graphics built-in.
603 - BOINC v6.x compatible app with screen saver compiled as separate app.
608/9 - Same as 603 but with CUDA code.

Ah, I thought I had seen somewhere that all the 5.28 work had finished validating. So no more had to be sent out. I guess with pulling data off of old tapes that might not be true. Then again I could have simply imagined I read that as well. :)
5782) Message boards : Number crunching : Does anyone else with XP64 use rescheduler? (Message 969159)
Posted 8 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
You might need to add quotes around the lines if you are using a folder with spaces in it. So instead of C:\Documents and Settings\Boinc you would have "C:\Documents and Settings\Boinc" and such.
5783) Message boards : Number crunching : Tasks validated with 0 seconds and 0 points (Message 969141)
Posted 8 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

After a quick search.. BOINC V4.45.. and 12 times my wingman..
[http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/show_host_detail.php?hostid=4574165]

But, what we could do?

IIRC, the server could send work only to 'new' clients, but this will banish this 'old' clients which make (current) well results.

AFAIK, in the new clients the PROXY should work very well.
So this isn't longer an 'excuse'.


EDIT: BTW, BOINC V5.2.6+ is needed for 'well' credits.


I think maybe cutting off old clients is low on priority list right now.
5784) Message boards : Number crunching : Does anyone else with XP64 use rescheduler? (Message 969140)
Posted 8 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Well, it's got me stumped.
If you run it and hit the test button, is there any useful information in the logs tab that might give a clue?

Nope it shows the couple times it found GPU units and that is about it. Just shows 0 slots filled.


Just another thing to eliminate, are the tasks showing as v6.08 . Rescheduler won't work with v6.09

I don't have any GPU tasks to see, that is why I was trying to reschedule. I had noticed that the RAC had dropped over 1000 so I went to check on it and it has no GPU work.

Do you have the "move VHAR/VLAR to CPU only" checked do you? In that mode it doesn't seem to ever move tasks to the GPU. At least in my playing around with it I haven't got it to. The other day when no tasks were going out I disabled the move VH to CPU, set the slider to 60%, & rescheduled.

It shows 0 slots, doesn't matter which setting I try it can't see the work that is running. It has never seen my CPU tasks maybe someone has a link to the previous version?


This might be the answer to the problem.
http://lunatics.kwsn.net/12-gpu-crunching/reschedule-1-9-doesnt-work-on-win-xp-64-bit.0.html

If not the downloads are all posted here.
http://lunatics.kwsn.net/12-gpu-crunching/cpu-gpu-rebranding-perl-script.0.html
5785) Message boards : Number crunching : App_info question ... (Message 969137)
Posted 8 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I'm seeing some 'warnings' in my tasks since I've started using the optimized apps. Will I still get work and eliminate the warnings if I remove the '603' section?

Here's the part of my app_info that I am asking about:
<SNIP>

Is there a 'clean' way to get rid of the warnings? The WU's all seem to be validating properly so I am not that concerned, just curious.

Here are the warnings that I'm speaking of:
<SNIP>

Is the app version really 513 instead of 528 like my app_info files says?

You can remove the 603 section if you like. you will just no longer get any work.
The current version is 6.03. Look at your BOINC Manager tasks list. You will see setiathome_enhanced 6.03. The version of the application from lunitics is 5.13. Their version number has nothing to do with seti@home's version numbers.
What you are seeing in the results is somewhat normal.
5786) Message boards : Number crunching : Does anyone else with XP64 use rescheduler? (Message 969133)
Posted 8 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Well, it's got me stumped.
If you run it and hit the test button, is there any useful information in the logs tab that might give a clue?

Nope it shows the couple times it found GPU units and that is about it. Just shows 0 slots filled.


Just another thing to eliminate, are the tasks showing as v6.08 . Rescheduler won't work with v6.09

I don't have any GPU tasks to see, that is why I was trying to reschedule. I had noticed that the RAC had dropped over 1000 so I went to check on it and it has no GPU work.

Do you have the "move VHAR/VLAR to CPU only" checked do you? In that mode it doesn't seem to ever move tasks to the GPU. At least in my playing around with it I haven't got it to. The other day when no tasks were going out I disabled the move VH to CPU, set the slider to 60%, & rescheduled.
5787) Message boards : Number crunching : Does anyone else with XP64 use rescheduler? (Message 969131)
Posted 8 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The machine I have running rescheduler now has BOINC in D:\BOINC & D:\BOINC\DATA. D:\BOINC\DATA contains the client_state.xml which rescheduler needs to modify. If that machines wasn't at work I'd get a screen shot of what is in there for ya.

EDIT: I don't think it matters, but I put rescheduler in the folder D:\BOINC.

Position=75
OnlyVLarVHar=1
TrueAngleRate=0
DataPath=D:\BOINC\DATA
BoincBinPath=D:\BOINC
VharToCpu=0

[Automatic]
Automatic=0
Interval=4
CPUPerInterval=50
GPUPerInterval=150

[WorkUnits]


I think your Reschedule.ini file should look something like this .. should work?

It probably doe look something like that. I can look when I get into work, but mine works w/o any issues.
5788) Message boards : Number crunching : Does anyone else with XP64 use rescheduler? (Message 969087)
Posted 7 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The machine I have running rescheduler now has BOINC in D:\BOINC & D:\BOINC\DATA. D:\BOINC\DATA contains the client_state.xml which rescheduler needs to modify. If that machines wasn't at work I'd get a screen shot of what is in there for ya.

EDIT: I don't think it matters, but I put rescheduler in the folder D:\BOINC.
5789) Message boards : Number crunching : Does anyone else with XP64 use rescheduler? (Message 969080)
Posted 7 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have tried again and again to make the rescheduler work on my XP 64 machine and no matter what I do either the folder doesn't exist or if it likes the folders it finds no units....Just wondering if others have same problem?

I've used 1.8 & 1.9 on XP x64 w/o any issues.
5790) Message boards : Number crunching : Dual Xeon socket 1366 w/ 3+ PCI 16? (Message 969059)
Posted 7 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
... had a slider switch to temporarily silence the alarm. That was a nice feature. Now all the new ones don't give that option, and that annoys me.

But, but, but... Why would you want to silence the alarm by switching off the alarm sounder?!

Wouldn't removing the cause of the alarm be more useful? That is, fix the problem rather than hush up the symptoms?...

Happy crunchin',
Martin

I don't care if the power goes out while I'm sleeping. The software will handle everything without waking me up. All of my new UPSs have a menu option to never sound the alarm. I'd hope the RAID controllers would have a menu option for that as well.
5791) Message boards : Number crunching : Why so much pending credit... (Message 968947)
Posted 7 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Each time work is returned, the quota is doubled.


I like it, do both methods ;-) Earn the priv to burn.

I need to look at the quota code some day, but I know the "Maximum daily WU quota per CPU" of 100 sure doesn't kick in ;-)

or have an option for impatient people to only process tasks that need to be validated.
5792) Message boards : Number crunching : Dual Xeon socket 1366 w/ 3+ PCI 16? (Message 968920)
Posted 7 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Also there are some (or all?) that has a built-in speaker for the alarm. If you don't want to be awaken in the middle of the night, you might want to turn it off as it doesn't turn off until you fix the problem.

Yeah, my Areca has a very loud alarm on it. I didn't want it completely disabled (can be done) as I do want to know when there is a problem, but I found a nice solution. Take a piece of duct tape and put it over the buzzer. Cuts the volume in half. I have been woken up only once by the alarm though. Disk 2 failed. Logged into the admin portal (localhost:81), temporarily muted the alarm, migrated data off of the "hot spare" that was being used as a single storage disk, plugged it in on the controller, array started rebuilding, went back to sleep.

I use to use needle nose to remove the speaker on all of my older APC UPSs.
5793) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (28) Server problems (Message 968785)
Posted 6 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Over six million results waiting for validation! I think that's another for the record books..

Not good karma for the servers........
Will not be surprised if they all come tumbling down soon.


I don't doubt that. Something has to give soon.

What.....????

Meow...

Only about 305,000 of us.

We could not be all looking for work, eh?


I was just confirming that I agreed with what you said about the servers crashing.

Now I'm going to dig my vehicles out of the snow before I lose track of where there parked. lol


When I push the button on my remote. The snow glows where my car much be.

But even with the validators down work is still going in & out. So once the find the weak spot that went down we will be off and crawling again :)
5794) Message boards : Number crunching : NVIDIA or ATI - Which is giving better performance (Message 968779)
Posted 6 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I thought Seti supported both NVIDIA and ATI but I guess it's BOINC I was thinking about.

Thanks!

BOINC support Nvidia & ATI, seti@home does not yet have an official ATI app. There is currently an astropusle app for ATI that is under test.
5795) Message boards : Number crunching : Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU 330 @ 1.60GHz +NVIDIA ION (512MB) driver: 19621 (Message 968681)
Posted 6 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Still rising, RAC 813.34 now.

Sten-Arne

stats site show 900-100 credits a day!
5796) Message boards : Number crunching : Kitties for sale..... (Message 968621)
Posted 6 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Seems thet my present team is not all 'jumpy' about this.....

so......let it go where is lies/

Some seem a bit doubtful about my loyalties.......

But I have not jumped ship since my 'contract' ran out....have I?

I am not ready to jump ship just because of a few bad friends or an argument/

This is a commitment........

Not that I shouldn't be.......LOL.


I'm sure we can find you a nice padded room. Maybe even one with a scratching post :)
5797) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (28) Server problems (Message 968570)
Posted 6 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The splitters recently came back online & a few machines that ran dry are getting new work.
5798) Message boards : Number crunching : Dual Xeon socket 1366 w/ 3+ PCI 16? (Message 968569)
Posted 6 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
"Do you have any specific purposes in mind (other than spare cycles are used by Boinc)?
"

Boinc, of course. But also a home server. There are 5 PCs running on the home LAN at the moment and a number of LAN aware devices (game consoles, a Bluray player, etc). I wanted something to bring together all the media files for one thing (hence I'm leaning towards a larger case with plenty of drive bays so I can do RAID striping and get some decent throughput when streaming something to the television).

Thanks for your interest.

I haven't seen very many dual 1366 boards with 3 or more PCIe x16. More might be coming soon based on things displayed at CES last month. If you are looking for multi PCIe for 3-4 CUDA cards it might be more cost effective to get a single socket board as the CUDA cards tend do more processing then having a 2nd CPU. If cost irrelevant go for the dual sockets I say! :D

For your storage I would look for a raid controller that supports a feature called Online Capacity Expansion (OCE). If you started with 3 1GB drives in Raid5 for 2GB of storage you could add more 1GB drive, or upgrade those drives to larger sizes w/o taking the system down. It would operated in a reduced capacity while resynchronizing. So good for doing over night.

If your network hardware supports teaming having multi NIC's in your new server might not be a bad idea. Just having a single link I've choked my media computers nic copying data while streaming video.
5799) Message boards : Number crunching : Questions on safely crunching (Message 968563)
Posted 6 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The Q9400 has a Thermal Spec of 71.4ºC. Looks like you are safely under that. Programs like CoreTemp or CPUID's HWMonitor will allow you to see your CPU temp & the temp of each core. If you wish to monitor all of that & don't have other software in use already. My E8400 Core 2 Duo runs 50-54C most of the time running 24/7. The cores temps are about 10C hotter.

Depending on your homes heat/cooling situation you might monitor things come summer time.
5800) Message boards : Number crunching : **CLOSED SETI/BOINC Milestones [ v2.0 ] - XIX CLOSED** (Message 968360)
Posted 5 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Rig on a Bench just did it's 1st Million Credits.

Dave

GO! BENCHY GO!
5801) Message boards : Number crunching : Sorry wingys......part??? (Message 968353)
Posted 5 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
That raises the question, however: if a project goes dead (e.g., Tanpaku) is it even possible to detach? I thought you could detach in that situation, which is why I was under the impression that the BOINC client didn't even attempt to notify the server that it's detaching. I know that when I've detached from projects, there's nothing in the logs that indicates the server is notified, but perhaps I don't have the necessary log option enabled in cc_config to see those messages.


I've done a detach on an offline client to clear it's cache before when doing testing. I don't remember the version of BOINC I was using, but I do think it was a 6.10.x. By offline it wasn't connected to a network in any fashion.



It's not the detach that frees up WUs, it's re-attaching afterwards.

-Dave


Ah! Gotcha. That makes sense.

I'll still contend that since we now have a bulk-abort ability, that's easier to do. :)

I dunno. I think it's less work to click 2 buttons then try to highlight 5000 tasks, but that's just me I suppose.
5802) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (28) Server problems (Message 968344)
Posted 5 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
"Message from server: (Project has no jobs available)" on several of my crunchers.

At least there are some generous people out there. Somebody detached a 32-core SUN SPARC-Enterprise just as the WUs ran out, and donated 400 tasks to the common good.

They may not be out of work, or tapes. Could just be the process feeding the feeder has stopped. Without the pages displaying the server status updating it's unknown what might be going on. Uploads & reporting it going on w/o any problems tho.
5803) Message boards : Number crunching : Sorry wingys......part??? (Message 968336)
Posted 5 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
They are talking about thousands of tasks. It would take forever to go through and abort each task. When they do a detach it gets them all at once.


You may not be aware of it, but recent versions of the BOINC client allow you to select multiple items (including WUs) using standard Windows multiple-selection methods (i.e., shift-click and control-click). I know for certain that 6.10.18 supports this.

So you can abort thousands of WUs at once if you want to. I wasn't suggesting doing them one by one!

And, I was unaware that detaching caused the WUs to be resent. I thought the server wasn't even notified that the client detached. That raises the question, however: if a project goes dead (e.g., Tanpaku) is it even possible to detach? I thought you could detach in that situation, which is why I was under the impression that the BOINC client didn't even attempt to notify the server that it's detaching. I know that when I've detached from projects, there's nothing in the logs that indicates the server is notified, but perhaps I don't have the necessary log option enabled in cc_config to see those messages.


I've done a detach on an offline client to clear it's cache before when doing testing. I don't remember the version of BOINC I was using, but I do think it was a 6.10.x. By offline it wasn't connected to a network in any fashion.
5804) Message boards : Number crunching : Why no Boinc Update (Message 968308)
Posted 5 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have been through the log and the mystery is solved and it was so simple that I missed it first time through the log.
My internet went down and as someone pointed out there was a backoff.
My intenet access has been so reliable that I didn't give it a thought.
Sorry for not spotting it,and thank's to everyone that tried to help this old fool.LOL

Dave

I'm sure it was "fun" looking though that log, but good to know you found it.
5805) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (28) Server problems (Message 968307)
Posted 5 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I'd guess it's related to the issue Matt posted in the Tech News last night/this morning. Seems the science DB is being a bit fussy.
5806) Message boards : Number crunching : Rig on the BENCH (Message 968192)
Posted 5 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Rig on a Bench just went past 41k RAC, will clock up 1 Million credits tomorrow, since it started running 22 days ago.
Now at #8 in Top Hosts.

Dave

Good job there. The daily update numbers on the stat sites show that machine generating 50,000+ credits a day.

In other news your computers list is no longer in chinese for me! :D
5807) Message boards : Number crunching : New cruncher on blueprints (maybe) (Message 968181)
Posted 5 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Nice reports, thanks !

For i7 owners I'll take any reports about PSU you're using. That's not I don't liky your EVO hiamps, but maybe some smaller PSU is possible ? (you know, few money and so on...)

I'm using an Enermax PRO82+ (425W) EPR425AWT in my i7 machine with an ATI 5750 for my media PC.
5808) Message boards : Number crunching : PCIe x 16, x 8 and x 4... (Message 968117)
Posted 4 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
PG0395.wu Test WU
PCI-E 1.0 x16: 55.239 secs Elapsed

PG0444.wu Test WU
PCI-E 1.0 x16: 49.751 secs Elapsed

PG1327.wu Test WU
PCI-E 1.0 x16: 36.941 secs Elapsed

@
-G35 Chipset
-single gtx 260
-cpu load 100%

The is an old thread somewhere in the archives where Joe Segur explains that bus speed is not that important to the SAH CUDA app, as heavy bus use only occurs when loading the data to the card the start and downloading the result at the end of the unit. It's in a discussion about differences in crunching times between PCI and PCIE versions of cards with the same chipset. IIRC

My Q9550 run two GTS250's, one in a x16 slot, the other in a x4 slot. The difference between them in crunching time (if any) is so slight that it is lost in the noise of the normal variation in crunching times between units.


Yah I think I've read that but hey the numbers speak by themselves.


Excellent data. Looks at tho the chipset effects the processing little if any for the same PCIe speed.
5809) Message boards : Number crunching : PCIe x 16, x 8 and x 4... (Message 968077)
Posted 4 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Here's some numbers to give you an idea using KNA bench.

PG0395.wu Test WU
PCI-E 2.0 x16: 56.357 secs Elapsed
PCI-E 2.0 x8: 60.850 secs Elapsed

PG0444.wu Test WU
PCI-E 2.0 x16: 50.015 secs Elapsed
PCI-E 2.0 x8: 66.681 secs Elapsed

PG1327.wu Test WU
PCI-E 2.0 x16: 37.938 secs Elapsed
PCI-E 2.0 x8: 39.741 secs Elapsed

Note:
-PCI-E 2.0 x16 on X58 chipset
-PCI-E 2.0 x8 on P45 chipset
-Dual gtx 260
-cpu on 100% load

You haven't run the P45 system with 1 card to check x16 mode have you? Those numbers are pretty close, but I'd be curious if the difference is just from the two different chipsets.
5810) Message boards : Number crunching : Seti bug with Win 7 (Message 968076)
Posted 4 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Dunno if this has been reported before BUT:

I have 2 x Win 7 RC1. When installing a later version Seti it installed the Seti screen saver as default. When this is installed and you try to turn the machine off, it starts to shut down and then stays there leaving the background picture where it is, no icons showing etc and it doesn't stop doing that until you physically turn the power off or hit the reset button. Choosing any other setting for screen saver stops that happening so it is the Seti screen saver stopping shutdown.

Hope this helps.

Some more details would be helpful. Are these machines running x86 or x64 Windows 7 & what version of BOINC are you using? It could just be an issue relating to the RC version of windows.
5811) Message boards : Number crunching : PCIe x 16, x 8 and x 4... (Message 968019)
Posted 4 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
This might be a poor example. Testing my AGP Radeon 3850 with collatz there was no chang in task processing speed running 8x, 4x, or 2x mode. PCIe is a diffent bus & seti is a different app, but since these programs all run within the card. I would tend to think bandwidth to card is somewhat less important.
EDIT: Yeah, what OzzFan said.
5812) Message boards : Number crunching : XML Question (Message 968018)
Posted 4 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I can see where the ignore_ati or ignore_CUDA would be handy if you were crunching both seti and say Collatz or MW and you only wanted your seti to crunch with the CUDA so you add the ignore_ati to your cc_config for SETI and you could add the ignore_CUDA to a CC_config for MW or Collatz

cc_config can be used at a project level instead of just global to boinc? It would be great for this sort of project control.
5813) Message boards : Number crunching : XML Question (Message 968010)
Posted 4 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The description is "ignore (don't use) a specific NVIDIA or ATI GPU. You can ignore more than one."

A specific means you can choose, which one should not be used, I think. And you choose by selecting it with the number N = 0,1,2,3 or whatever numbers BOINC gives them.

When I read
<ignore_cuda_dev>, <ignore_ati_dev>
ignore (don't use) a specific NVIDIA or ATI GPU. You can ignore more than one.
I was thiking that ment you could use one or both commands. I didn't scroll up to see the example where they were using N for the value. Go me! lol
5814) Message boards : Number crunching : Why no Boinc Update (Message 968009)
Posted 4 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
If I look in the stdoutdae.txt log what exactly am I looking for?
And where should I start looking, just after the last succesfull update at 7:30 or latter in the day.
If I ran over my quota then it should not have been reset untill 30 mins ago.
Since I looked at the rig at 19:30 it has downloaded over 1000 tasks.
If I was anywhere near reaching quota that woudn't have happened surely.

Dave
Between the last report at 7:30 & your manual update if there is data in the log that is what to look at. Much of that data will probably looks like this

2/3/2010 5:28:56 PM SETI@home Computation for task 29dc06ae.9938.16023.5.10.144_1 finished
2/3/2010 5:28:56 PM SETI@home Starting 27mr07af.6729.23794.13.10.109_0
2/3/2010 5:28:56 PM SETI@home Starting task 27mr07af.6729.23794.13.10.109_0 using setiathome_enhanced version 603
2/3/2010 5:28:58 PM SETI@home Started upload of 29dc06ae.9938.16023.5.10.144_1_0
2/3/2010 5:29:03 PM SETI@home Finished upload of 29dc06ae.9938.16023.5.10.144_1_0

Since you had 608 tasked processed there will be a lot of that. The key is looking for any attempted download events & errors that may have come with them. Opening the txt file in your preferred program like notepad or such will allow you to do a search. If you try using report or download for search terms you might see a notice explaining what occurred next to it.
5815) Message boards : Number crunching : Is it just me? (Message 967976)
Posted 3 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Is this a conspiricy?

Dave

Yes!

I dunno. It's just weird I think.
5816) Message boards : Number crunching : Why no Boinc Update (Message 967974)
Posted 3 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
OK please bare with me on this.
As I said not to good on the s/ware side.
Rig is set as default the same as my i7 ie same setting exactly.
Both rigs therefore have 1 day cache.
This rig has been running like this since it was set up 21 days ago and has had enough work like this even through the outages.
It is an AMD 965 Phenom II Quad with 1 GTX295 and 2 GTX275's and has been doing VLAR's in 2mins 30 and normal MB's in 12mins,VLAR's on the CPU cores in 2hrs 30mins.
Boinc Ver 6.10.18 Win XP
Only running Seti no other projects.
I thought that it might be that I got hundreds of VLAR's and since I have VLAR kill app running that might be the problem but in the tasks list there arn't that many.

I will monitor over the next few days to see if it reoccurs.
I have looked in the stdoutdae.txt log but to be honest there are thousands of lines.
And again I am not grousing if nothing comes down and I can restart it I will.
Maybe I should set the cache higher so that it doesn't run out.

Thank's for the pointers anyway.

Dave

But you are the only one that knows what those setting are.

BOINC has lots of settings & to pin point a problem you would have to actually tell us what they are "setting are the same as machine A as on B" tells us nothing. As Ned was saying.

Information like the how things are set in "connect about", "network usage allowed", options under "Activity", web page settings are good to include if you are using them. Also knowing if you are using web pages setting or running on custom local prefs is good.

The more info people have to work with, hopefully the faster help can get to you. :)
5817) Message boards : Number crunching : XML Question (Message 967967)
Posted 3 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Awhile back, there was a discussion of an XML instruction line one could place in cc_config to "tell" Boinc how many CPU cores to use; e.g.,
<ncpus>2</ncpus>.

Is there a similar instruction line for GPUs, i.e., <ngpus>?

Or am I so close to the problem that I'm missing a more obvious solution? This question relates to the ongoing multi-GTX 295 situation which has been discussed at length both here and on the Nvidia boards. I've managed to get Boinc to recognize all 4 of the cores on the two cards, but any load greater than three simultaneous WUs bombs everything. Therefore, my desire to limit the load to three instances until a suitable workaround is found.


There is a setting for <use_all_gpus>, but I don't see anything else that would help. http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Client_configuration
5818) Message boards : Number crunching : Is it just me? (Message 967958)
Posted 3 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
All of a sudden today the main menu and the headings of all the sub menus are in chinese(or some other asian language). Checked all my DNS, cleared all my internet files, checked my language settings. No big deal, but just tryig to localize the issues.

This just started happening to me, but only for FiveHamlet's computers list. 0.o Weird eh?
5819) Message boards : Number crunching : Why no Boinc Update (Message 967956)
Posted 3 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Did you happen to have a look at the messages tab before you did the update? That is most likely where you would have seen information about what was going on. However, the first thing I would do is click on Activity & make sure that "Network Activity Suspended" wasn't checked.
5820) Message boards : Number crunching : New cruncher on blueprints (maybe) (Message 967954)
Posted 3 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The more affordable i7 systems would be the ones that use the LGA1156 connector. Personally I am really happy with the performance of mine. I have an i7-860 & E8400 systems at home. The i7 does around 6000 RAC & the E8400 does about 2500 RAC. The i7 seems to do pretty well crunching when I am not using it to play HD video on my TV. The i7 could probably run 7000-8000 like some of the other 860's I've seen that are not over clocked, but I also run seti@home alpha on it.
5821) Message boards : Number crunching : online retailers and free shipping (Message 967948)
Posted 3 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I might have those q-connector things laying around from some old boards. If I can find them I'll shuck them in an envelope for ya.

If Ya do find them(Thanks in advance), PM Me and I'll send Ya My address. I'm lucky If I don't lose something in plain sight(I'll eventually find It and It helps If I keep It fairly neat around here), It helps If I know where I put something and don't vary It by too much.


So like these thingers right? Also I found a tripple SLI connector that you might find useful as well.
5822) Message boards : Number crunching : What's happened to Cricket Graph (Message 967935)
Posted 3 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Perhaps the IT department is changing how they monitor their network activity. They don't really need to have all of their campus network activity viewable to the whole world.
5823) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (28) Server problems (Message 967890)
Posted 3 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Not really a panic, but the Cricket graphs seem to have gone wonky.

Someone mentioned that in the tech news post earlier. I was thinking it looked like the update job was still going, but just not collecting data. I've realized that when that normally happens the graph will stay at whatever level it was when it last updated. The current graph shows mostly nothing, literally "Cur: nan bits/sec". Tho that could just be how cricket responds to not getting new data. I use MRTG instead of cricket. So I don't really know its ins and outs.
5824) Message boards : Number crunching : online retailers and free shipping (Message 967889)
Posted 3 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Nope, Washington State has sales tax instead of Income Tax. Ours is 9.5%...I wish I could offer free shipping but 55 lb cases of wax would bankrupt me in a hurry.

I don't know how much wax would fit in a large USPS flat-rate box, but have you considered casting blocks to exactly fit?

Too Funny, we can put 55 lbs in 4 large flat rate and do....We ship lots to Hawaii and Alaska that way.

/me waits to come & visit a max computer museum. If you built it, they will come.

Can We put a Toyota car computer in that Museum? ;) To some It seems to act like proverbial Cylons(kill all humans), Some people have had their cars towed to the dealer and then left them there as they were too afraid to drive a Toyota ever again. Now We need some Toyota jokes to replace the old Ford Jokes as It seems Ford is now seen as reliable and Toyota is not, weird. I am sure glad that I own a FORD. :)

As to shipping I paid $7.87 for an Asus P7P55D Pro motherboard(Open Box) from Newegg that I'd ordered on Monday and received on Tuesday.

I love overnight "ground" shipping :D I normally get that when I order from amazon as one of their shipping centers in located near me.

Yeah well It was supposed to be 3 day service(It was the least cost at least), Oh well, I guess I got good service. :D Turns out I'll have to order a Q-Connector Kit as well for the front panel connections, But that will wait until April as March is full, As a cheap set of Tires & mounting them on My car are next on the Menu.

I might have those q-connector things laying around from some old boards. If I can find them I'll shuck them in an envelope for ya.
5825) Message boards : Technical News : Deluge (Jan 27 2010) (Message 967843)
Posted 3 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Something appears to be wrong with the Gigabiteathernet site:

http://fragment1.berkeley.edu:80/newcricket/grapher.cgi?target=/router-interfaces/inr-250/gigabitethernet2_3&ranges=d%3Aw&view=Octets It usually only flat-lines when SETI is down, such as on Tuesdays...

C

It looks more like the data collector isn't getting data from the router. Since that site is run by berkeleys IT department for their use. I'm sure they will work on it if they feel the need to.
5826) Message boards : Number crunching : online retailers and free shipping (Message 967830)
Posted 3 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Nope, Washington State has sales tax instead of Income Tax. Ours is 9.5%...I wish I could offer free shipping but 55 lb cases of wax would bankrupt me in a hurry.

I don't know how much wax would fit in a large USPS flat-rate box, but have you considered casting blocks to exactly fit?

Too Funny, we can put 55 lbs in 4 large flat rate and do....We ship lots to Hawaii and Alaska that way.

/me waits to come & visit a max computer museum. If you built it, they will come.

Can We put a Toyota car computer in that Museum? ;) To some It seems to act like proverbial Cylons(kill all humans), Some people have had their cars towed to the dealer and then left them there as they were too afraid to drive a Toyota ever again. Now We need some Toyota jokes to replace the old Ford Jokes as It seems Ford is now seen as reliable and Toyota is not, weird. I am sure glad that I own a FORD. :)

As to shipping I paid $7.87 for an Asus P7P55D Pro motherboard(Open Box) from Newegg that I'd ordered on Monday and received on Tuesday.

I love overnight "ground" shipping :D I normally get that when I order from amazon as one of their shipping centers in located near me.
5827) Message boards : Number crunching : online retailers and free shipping (Message 967746)
Posted 3 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Nope, Washington State has sales tax instead of Income Tax. Ours is 9.5%...I wish I could offer free shipping but 55 lb cases of wax would bankrupt me in a hurry.

I don't know how much wax would fit in a large USPS flat-rate box, but have you considered casting blocks to exactly fit?

Too Funny, we can put 55 lbs in 4 large flat rate and do....We ship lots to Hawaii and alaska that way.

/me waits to come & visit a max computer museum. If you built it, they will come.
5828) Message boards : Number crunching : online retailers and free shipping (Message 967722)
Posted 2 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Seems there are 7 states that don't do income tax.
5829) Message boards : Number crunching : online retailers and free shipping (Message 967701)
Posted 2 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
might be nice unless you live in fl.dam 7% tax

7%, Sounds nice and low, Here in California It goes between about 8.25% and 9.75% at most.


I feel bad for you both. We don't have sales tax in Delaware.

Don't feel bad...we don't have state income tax in FL. :)

So live in FL & order everything off the internet..... sounds like a plan to me!
5830) Message boards : Number crunching : New PC Build & Specs(Secret) Help! (Message 967648)
Posted 2 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I found that same 2nd pic when I looked earlier. Never knew those kind of adapters existed. I'm not thinking about getting something like that to do some playing around.
5831) Message boards : Number crunching : New PC Build & Specs(Secret) Help! (Message 967629)
Posted 2 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
BTW most if not all delivered goods offer you a "comment" section or attn line. you could use that line to add your full zip code.

I'm also very aware of odd mailing distributions. I knew a guy from Kentucky whose family name was their address. they were so far off the track that they had mail delivered by name because the people of the town didn't have any real streets.

Mwave does not do that online, I wish they would.

Mwave wants an address, city, state and a 5 digit zip code.

My bank has My address, city, state and a 9 digit zip code.

And so the two do not match and since mail out here needs that extra 4 digits I can't remove It, Ok??? Don't ask Me about this ANYMORE OK????????????????????????????????????????????????????????


I got lost in all the talk about what is & isn't an address.
Was MWave able to process your order?
5832) Message boards : Number crunching : New PC Build & Specs(Secret) Help! (Message 967598)
Posted 2 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
the USPS does not require the 9 digit zip to get something to you. Once a piece of mail reaches its city designation its divided into zip codes, and thn further to routes. While having the extra 4 digits will make it easier to route your mail it isn't vital to getting it there

Skildude, Please bear in Mind, Mail is not delivered beyond the post office out here as there are only 2 employees. You live in a city of what population size and not in the high desert beyond Barstow, Call the Yermo Post Office[(760) 254-2315] between 9am-4pm as Yermo has a population of 1191 and a Land Area of: 98.3 square miles or 254.6 square kilometers, So there's no delivery beyond the Post Office, I've lived here since 2004 and everyone in Yermo uses a 9 digit zip code, As the extra 4 digits represent a FREE PO Box number... Otherwise since there is no street delivery out here, Good Luck getting any mail.

[ IMG ]http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n107/JokerCPoC/TV%20and%20Yermo/Car009.jpg[ /IMG ]
The Post Office is to the left side of the Market.

Next to the beer? So a mail run could also be a beer run?

Only If Ya like paying almost Double the normal cost, It's less expensive in Barstow CA 12.5 miles away.

Well it's a good thing there are liquor stores on the internet then.
5833) Message boards : Number crunching : New PC Build & Specs(Secret) Help! (Message 967593)
Posted 2 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
the USPS does not require the 9 digit zip to get something to you. Once a piece of mail reaches its city designation its divided into zip codes, and thn further to routes. While having the extra 4 digits will make it easier to route your mail it isn't vital to getting it there

Skildude, Please bear in Mind, Mail is not delivered beyond the post office out here as there are only 2 employees. You live in a city of what population size and not in the high desert beyond Barstow, Call the Yermo Post Office[(760) 254-2315] between 9am-4pm as Yermo has a population of 1191 and a Land Area of: 98.3 square miles or 254.6 square kilometers, So there's no delivery beyond the Post Office, I've lived here since 2004 and everyone in Yermo uses a 9 digit zip code, As the extra 4 digits represent a FREE PO Box number... Otherwise since there is no street delivery out here, Good Luck getting any mail.

[ IMG ]http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n107/JokerCPoC/TV%20and%20Yermo/Car009.jpg[ /IMG ]
The Post Office is to the left side of the Market.

Next to the beer? So a mail run could also be a beer run?
5834) Message boards : Number crunching : Facebook Vs. Boinc/SETI?? (Message 967549)
Posted 1 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Those FB games tend to use all the CPU they can. I play a few of them & all the Zynga ones using flash normally max out the CPU. I figure this is due to poof programming on their part.
5835) Message boards : Number crunching : New PC Build & Specs(Secret) Help! (Message 967458)
Posted 1 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Ok, Lets see cost does play a part here and so thats that, I found a way to have an internal wireless Super G(108Mbps, Not an N card), It involves a mini-pci-express wireless card for a laptop and a pci-e card that has a mini-pic-express connector on It and places for 3 antennas(see below)

pci-e to mini-pci-e adapter card

mini-pci-express card(Super G)

I love when they come up with neat solutions like that. Is it cost effective tho? mini-PCIe cards can be costly.
5836) Message boards : Number crunching : New PC Build & Specs(Secret) Help! (Message 967453)
Posted 1 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
why settle on the 1156 pin boards?


He probably already owns the CPU intended for this motherboard purchase.

My 2 cents: I spent a fair amount of time reading through TomsHardware before doing my from scratch build last October. I went with 1156 because it met my present need for an i7, helped fit my overall --> budget <--, and the socket seemed easier to work with and less prone to damage.

Also, the advantages for 1366 (for me) didn't warrant a rethink (the extra x16 channels of PCIe off the northbridge (good for multiple GPU), the extra DDR3 channel, and the future cores). Why? Because if I want to upgrade to a new CPU in 2 to 3 years (ie: effectively forego the $$$ I spent on a cpu), then the cost and inconveneince of swapping the motherboard at the same time doesn't really change the math that drastically... plus the motherboard will be 2 years more advanced than what I could possibly purchase today.


I was going to go with the 1156 and everyone here talked me out of it and into the 1366. I'm glad I went with the machine I built. Would be interesting to see how Mhz for Mhz how the 1156 would stack against it...

EDIT: Don't see any on the front page....

The review that anandtech did lead me to buying the i7-860. In some test the i5-750 bested the i7-920 & those both run 2.66GHz. I don't see a need to go to a 1366 for my personal use as I never plan on scaling up to triple video card or such. In single GPU situations the P55 actually out performs the X58 it seems. With a second card the X58 edges out, but with 3 the P55 doesn't stand a chance. Toms Hardware did a crossfire scaling test to see how well PCIe would do between the two. The analysis shows the results best, but the whole article is good to look over.
5837) Message boards : Number crunching : New PC Build & Specs(Secret) Help! (Message 967434)
Posted 1 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
why settle on the 1156 pin boards?


He probably already owns the CPU intended for this motherboard purchase.

My 2 cents: I spent a fair amount of time reading through TomsHardware before doing my from scratch build last October. I went with 1156 because it met my present need for an i7, helped fit my overall --> budget <--, and the socket seemed easier to work with and less prone to damage.

Also, the advantages for 1366 (for me) didn't warrant a rethink (the extra x16 channels of PCIe off the northbridge (good for multiple GPU), the extra DDR3 channel, and the future cores). Why? Because if I want to upgrade to a new CPU in 2 to 3 years (ie: effectively forego the $$$ I spent on a cpu), then the cost and inconveneince of swapping the motherboard at the same time doesn't really change the math that drastically... plus the motherboard will be 2 years more advanced than what I could possibly purchase today.


I've noticed on a few of the review sites that the i7-800's benchmark higher then their i7-900 counterparts.
5838) Message boards : Number crunching : Tasks validated with 0 seconds and 0 points (Message 967432)
Posted 1 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Is this happening a lot recently or have people just started noticing?
5839) Message boards : Number crunching : New PC Build & Specs(Secret) Help! (Message 967404)
Posted 1 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

Oh and I think I'll get the Asus P7P55D Pro, As It seems to be quite the performer, Mark eat Yer heart out, Some of these overclocks do real well and some arrr on air and some on water. :D

Chippies keep getting faster all the time...
The P55 chipset looks like it may be a real winner.

But don't forget that in most cases the fastest OC still stable enough for a bench run will never be sustainable with all cores loaded crunching opti Seti.

Good luck with it.

but... I use seti to bench test OCing to make sure the system is stable...
5840) Message boards : Number crunching : Early SETI contributors - who's still around? (Message 967397)
Posted 1 Feb 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
How did you guys get the "Class Of" from BOINC Stats?????

I have seen this a few times now.....


You mean like this? If you goto your account info here just click on the number next to "Position in 'sign-up date' stats"

and I have to say... I don't see your BP6 crunching!
5841) Message boards : Number crunching : Oiling computer fans? (Message 967353)
Posted 31 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I came across this website that claims that you need to oil computer fans.

Do any of you guys actually do this? It seems really strange to me.


Yes some computer fans are sealed with just the sticker & eventually the seal breaks letting the oil out. Honestly at the rate I have this failure happen I just replace the fan. I've got some fan that are 10+ years around that haven't shown any signs of giving it up yet.
5842) Message boards : Number crunching : Rig on the BENCH (Message 967221)
Posted 31 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I installed my GTS 260 and it shows everywhere except in Boinc, how do I make a third card work?

I think you need <use_all_gpus>1</use_all_gpus> in your cc_config if you don't already have that.
5843) Message boards : Number crunching : New PC Build & Specs(Secret) Help! (Message 967190)
Posted 31 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Here you go, save some money on your dust filters...LOL
Tower dustcovers

Something tells me I could put an old t-shirt over my case for less money.

That wouldn't cover the top or the bottom as there is an intake and exhaust there as the HAF stands for High Air Flow(the exhaust at the top also sucks dust in), So It would be wholly filter I guess. ;)

OK... 2 t-shirts. :D

Too Restrictive and in what size?

Mediums seem to be ok for a mid tower. Might need to go to large t-shirt for a larger case tho.
Dust filter 1, Dust filter 2, Dust filter 3, Dust filter 4
Case is 17Hx8.5Wx20.5D

This is the HAF-932 here, It's a Full Tower:
22"Hx9"Wx21.5"D No Wheels
23"Hx9"Wx21.5"D w/Wheels

Might need a large. The length of the shirts isn't really an issue. The 2nd one I put over it hang down a bit. You can sorta see this in the 2th image, now that I've fixed the links...
5844) Message boards : Number crunching : Early SETI contributors - who's still around? (Message 967189)
Posted 31 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I ended up 2nd in my class in classic seti & 1001 in the overall stats. Ah the good ole days of dozens of Celeron 400MHz's humming about.


The interesting part about that was I fought to "reach" Number 2. If I look at the current stats for the same Class 9 Jan 2000. Many are still active....
The other part is it appears (Older Seti Users) to have come back with the last round of donation letters.

I remember "SetiSpy" (rest well Roelof), and how many fought to be able to Cache "some" WU's (I still have the Zip I created and hosted that would allow others to just (edit) put in the correct user identifier and it would go to work.). Boinc now does that for you (if you select preferences correctly).

Many have tried to make Seti easier. Some solutions were better than others. WE still fight the same battle to make Seti Easier. I know, those indiviuals that work with the BOINC Alpha, BOINC Dev Crew have helped to make inroads that were ignored way back when.

There are several here that deserve a Tip-o-the Hat. They, keep working to make Boinc combined with Seti or other projects Better. The addition of GPU's has complicated matters.

The thing I "wish" I could know, over the years I have built and used many computers. I would love to know how many computers hours I have donated.

Regards

The computer time, in hours/years, is one of the stats I loved about classic. With the newly added run time & CPU time I guess that could be tracked now.
5845) Message boards : Number crunching : New PC Build & Specs(Secret) Help! (Message 967184)
Posted 31 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Here you go, save some money on your dust filters...LOL
Tower dustcovers

Something tells me I could put an old t-shirt over my case for less money.

That wouldn't cover the top or the bottom as there is an intake and exhaust there as the HAF stands for High Air Flow(the exhaust at the top also sucks dust in), So It would be wholly filter I guess. ;)

OK... 2 t-shirts. :D

Too Restrictive and in what size?

Mediums seem to be ok for a mid tower. Might need to go to large t-shirt for a larger case tho.
Dust filter 1, Dust filter 2, Dust filter 3, Dust filter 4
Case is 17Hx8.5Wx20.5D
EDIT: Fixed the links to the picks. Instead of them all points to the same image.
5846) Message boards : Number crunching : Early SETI contributors - who's still around? (Message 967176)
Posted 31 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I ended up 2nd in my class in classic seti & 1001 in the overall stats. Ah the good ole days of dozens of Celeron 400MHz's humming about.
5847) Message boards : Number crunching : New PC Build & Specs(Secret) Help! (Message 967174)
Posted 31 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Here you go, save some money on your dust filters...LOL
Tower dustcovers

Something tells me I could put an old t-shirt over my case for less money.

That wouldn't cover the top or the bottom as there is an intake and exhaust there as the HAF stands for High Air Flow(the exhaust at the top also sucks dust in), So It would be wholly filter I guess. ;)

OK... 2 t-shirts. :D
5848) Message boards : Number crunching : New PC Build & Specs(Secret) Help! (Message 967164)
Posted 31 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Here you go, save some money on your dust filters...LOL
Tower dustcovers

Something tells me I could put an old t-shirt over my case for less money.
5849) Message boards : Number crunching : New PC Build & Specs(Secret) Help! (Message 967149)
Posted 31 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I'd vote for the Asus board. It, or one of the related P7P55D boards, is one I was considering before I bought the Gigabyte board for my HTPC. An option for your wireless network could be to get a USB wireless adapter, or a wireless bridge. Then the boards slots would be irrelevant.

Another option is just to wait for newer cheaper things if you are not planning to get things like the CPU till Nov.



Ok, I have a usb SuperG(108Mbps) wireless adapter, I'll just load a driver for It in XP x64. Oh and I think I'll be buying the Asrock or the Asus, I'm so torn... As the way the Asrock handles the 3rd and 4th express slots is nice(4x each if both are filled and 8x if the one nearest the blue slot is filled by itself, The blue slot stays at 16x on this motherboard, Then there's the sata ports(which may not matter), The Asus has 1 more usb port on the back than the Asrock, The price is not too far a part @ $7.63 of course, But a less expensive I/O Shield does cut that by $7.52, So the actual difference is actually $0.11 which is not all that much. So does anyone have either one?

132.15 Mwave Asus P7P55D PRO
 18.98 I/O shield(price delivered to Me)
------
151.13

129.66 Newegg Asrock P55 Extreme
 21.36 I/O shield(price delivered to Me)
------
151.02


DFI:    -1
Asus:    3
Asrock:  2


Well at new egg "ASUS P7P55D PRO LGA 1156 Intel P55 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail 10% off with promo code MBTENOFF, ends 1/31"
The new one is priced at $169.99 with free shipping. With 10% off in my cart it comes to $152.99 not including NJ tax.

I think you might have misread something on the Asrock site or manual.
2 x PCI Express 2.0 x16 slots (Single at x16 or Dual at x8/x8 mode)
1 x PCI Express 2.0 x16 slot (at x4 mode, 2.5GT/s)
1 x PCI Express 2.0 x1 slot (2.5GT/s)

For i5 & i7-800 CPUs the 16 lanes of PCIe for graphics come from a controller on the CPU not though the P55.
5850) Message boards : Number crunching : online retailers and free shipping (Message 967128)
Posted 31 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
i was looking at items on various retailers...
free shipping seems to be going the way of the dodo...

Free shipping is an illusion. They're building that into the price of the product.

I don't mind the illusion when the overall price is less with no additional shipping charge.
5851) Message boards : Number crunching : Crunching / Gaming Computer Build 2010 (Message 967125)
Posted 31 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
My Rig on a Bench with the monitor on is drawing 900 watts on it's own.
Keeps this room warm no need for heating.
Temperature outside at the moment is -6 deg C and I have 1 window open.LOL

So much for Global Warming.

Dave

Wow that's more then my server, gaming system, an old P3 test system, notebook, network equipment, 2 monitors, & speakers combined.
5852) Message boards : Number crunching : New PC Build & Specs(Secret) Help! (Message 967122)
Posted 31 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I'd vote for the Asus board. It, or one of the related P7P55D boards, is one I was considering before I bought the Gigabyte board for my HTPC. An option for your wireless network could be to get a USB wireless adapter, or a wireless bridge. Then the boards slots would be irrelevant.

Another option is just to wait for newer cheaper things if you are not planning to get things like the CPU till Nov.
5853) Message boards : Number crunching : Curious about AP (Message 967118)
Posted 30 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Then you should be able to receive AP work units... have you get some MB work units or nothing at all?

It has MB units no problem there just noticed everyone talking about the splitters working and wondered why I haven't received any. Still getting the No work message but will let it keep trying. Thanks.

Out of all of my machines that I have set to allow AP work Only 1 of them got 1 AP tasks. I have their venue set to:
Run only the selected applications
SETI@home Enhanced: no
Astropulse: yes
Astropulse v5: yes
If no work for selected applications is available, accept work from other applications? yes
So normally they roll the message you are seeing constantly.
5854) Message boards : Number crunching : Crunching / Gaming Computer Build 2010 (Message 967117)
Posted 30 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hi HAL9000, FiveHamelet & 52 Aces...
I think someone along the way assumed it would be running 24/7.

You 3 have your answer ;).


Yeah, I did assume you ran it 24/7 & we all know what happens when we assume. :D With all the lights & fan I wouldn't want to run something like that 24/7 either.
5855) Message boards : Number crunching : ATI Radeon HD 4890 and GPU usage question (Message 967114)
Posted 30 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Update - up to 60k RAC @ MilkyWay and still climbing, turning in approximately 100k per day on a stock clocked Diamond 4890.

Looking good. Did you get a model that runs at the stock speed of 850/975 or one of their factory OC'd models?
Playing around with my Sapphire 4870 I set the values to their OC'd model & haven't had any issues with anything I run. It was a slight bump from 750/900 to 780/1000 for me.
5856) Message boards : Number crunching : new gpu for crunching (Message 966741)
Posted 29 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Cheers everybd!

I run a server with i7 860 for some private services and I was thinking about adding a GPU for running SETI. My final options are GTX 285 and ATI 5850. I intend to use only the GPU for SETI (anyway, the CPU is not going to be a big help)

Which one is going to give the best results as far as seti is concerned? I know that 5850 is much more powerfull than 285 in general, but how is it scoring in seti? I saw that lately ati gpus are supported, but how is it compared to nvidia? Is it on an early stage or the main work is done?

Thanks!


At the moment there is only an astropulse application for ATI cards. So the Nvidia one is your better bet right now.

5857) Message boards : Number crunching : Intel Atom processor (Message 966666)
Posted 29 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
My Intel Atom netbook now has a SETI RAC above 200. Can I manage 250 ?


http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/show_host_detail.php?hostid=4725429

Well it has now gone past 250 RAC today, most of the last 2 weeks has been at or above 200. I have been crunching mostly SETI only for the last few weeks, with occasional RALPH and SIMAP. SIMAP will probably have new work in the next few days, so it may drop a bit, but I think it could get to 300 if I really tried!

Wow, it is almost as fast as my P4 2.8...probably closer to a P4 2.4.


I think it uses a lot less power than a P4, it does SSSE3 on a 25 or 40 Watt processor.

Will probably do everything an IPAD will do for less money?

A 2GHz P4 does around 300 RAC. A 1.5GHz Pentium M does jsut a bit more then that. The total power suage for a netbook is muc h much less then either of those two. So it's processing per watt is much higher I'd expect.
5858) Message boards : Number crunching : Early SETI contributors - who's still around? (Message 966662)
Posted 29 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Does September 1999 count as an early contributor?

I'm going to go with Yes on that one, but I might be biased.

Preston: There was a 10 year thread that was started last year. If you can find it you'll be able to see everyone that's still around. It was called "Welcome to the 10 year club" or seomthign along those lines.
5859) Message boards : Number crunching : Curious about AP (Message 966557)
Posted 29 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:


When AP work is being split and sent, the Cricket graphs show the increased server bandwidth. Given the increased size of the AP WUs, this is not too surprising, at first.

But wouldn't the increased crunch time of AP work eventually offset the increased bandwidth to send them out and settle down a bit once the pipeline is filled? Or does the percentage of increased bandwidth to send them exceed the increase in the time to crunch them?

That's the way I understand it.

8mb data vs 300-400kb data. So AP tasks are about 20 times more data to transfer, but only require 10 times the amount of time to process.

Ahh....
And here all along I was under the impression that AP work was bandwidth sparing...

cursed math getting in the way!
5860) Message boards : Number crunching : Needing a cheap Power Supply (Message 966535)
Posted 29 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

Here is a bit of into on them.


Darn. I wanted to read that but it requires a paid subscription.

Odd it didn't do that when I was there earlier.

It seems to show the full thing if you follow a google link to it. "Computer Power User Article - Supplemental Power Supply Units"

They talk these products
E-Power Technology EP-350 CD UNI Juice Box
FSP Group BoosterX 3
Spire NitroPower VGA Booster SPVGA-450W
Thermaltake Purepower Power Express
Ultra Products Power Partner


I have a dead Thermaltake Purepower 450 Watt but can't find my receipt so they won't RMA it....

I have all of my e-mail receipts going back to 1999. It might be time to clean a few of those out.
5861) Message boards : Number crunching : Crunching / Gaming Computer Build 2010 (Message 966516)
Posted 28 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Luke is having some surgery for Carpal Tunnel in one of His hands, So give Him some time please.

Ouch!
I guess we will have to wait till he recovers to really pester him then :)
5862) Message boards : Number crunching : Rig on the BENCH (Message 966477)
Posted 28 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have phoned the company that supplied me with the GTX295 and they will test it for me.
For my own peace of mind I would like to run the memtest prog first.
As I am not so hot with software can someone give me a rundown exactly what I have to do to run memtest.I know about command prompt but where do I run prog from and which switches do I use ?

Dave


Did the switches listed in the message Fred linked to not work for you?
5863) Message boards : Number crunching : Curious about AP (Message 966475)
Posted 28 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:


When AP work is being split and sent, the Cricket graphs show the increased server bandwidth. Given the increased size of the AP WUs, this is not too surprising, at first.

But wouldn't the increased crunch time of AP work eventually offset the increased bandwidth to send them out and settle down a bit once the pipeline is filled? Or does the percentage of increased bandwidth to send them exceed the increase in the time to crunch them?

That's the way I understand it.

8mb data vs 300-400kb data. So AP tasks are about 20 times more data to transfer, but only require 10 times the amount of time to process.
5864) Message boards : Number crunching : upgrading computers (Message 966466)
Posted 28 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I do have a problem with the cache now that I have five cores. I re-started in mid November 09 and I have increased my cache each time I have been idle for lack of work. I am up to ten days.

Try something more reasonable, such as 4 days.
I have a 4 day cache & have only run out of work 2 or 3 times since Seti moved to the BOINC platform.

To me that is funny and the usual response, Boinc should be able to handle large caches or become obsolete. Computers will get faster and turning a blind eye and telling people that their cache is too big is a copout. How about telling people that you realize there is a problem and it is being worked on? To me running out 2 or 3 times when a cache would have gotten me thru is unaceptable.


If you'd be willing to donate your computer to the dev team I'm sure they'd be happy to work on it. :D
Just messing with you, but really there are some things that are limits no matter what you want to happen. Generally these are limits defined by the programming language and/or the controls they have to work with.
They may decide later to do soemthing along the lines of seperating the GPU processing into another application. So you would run BOINC & BOINC for GPUs.
Seperate functionality is something I'd like to see myself. I don't see the need for one project to hammer the servers requesting GPU work when it'sset to only run CPU tasks. Then have another project that only runs GPU work constantly requesting CPU work when it's not set to run any.
5865) Message boards : Number crunching : Needing a cheap Power Supply (Message 966461)
Posted 28 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

Here is a bit of into on them.


Darn. I wanted to read that but it requires a paid subscription.

Odd it didn't do that when I was there earlier.

It seems to show the full thing if you follow a google link to it. "Computer Power User Article - Supplemental Power Supply Units"

They talk these products
E-Power Technology EP-350 CD UNI Juice Box
FSP Group BoosterX 3
Spire NitroPower VGA Booster SPVGA-450W
Thermaltake Purepower Power Express
Ultra Products Power Partner
5866) Message boards : Number crunching : Needing a cheap Power Supply (Message 966445)
Posted 28 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

Here is a bit of into on them.


Darn. I wanted to read that but it requires a paid subscription.

Odd it didn't do that when I was there earlier.
5867) Message boards : Technical News : Deluge (Jan 27 2010) (Message 966443)
Posted 28 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Google published the results of a study they did with 100,000 some odd of their hard drives. The report vaguely indicates that the manufacture doesn't seems to have any influence in the failures. I'd guess they didn't name any manufactures so they wouldn't have to show any preferences towards a specific brand.
5868) Message boards : Number crunching : Needing a cheap Power Supply (Message 966405)
Posted 28 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
You would always go for an add in PCIe power supply. It might give you greater flexability in the future.

Never heard of them....got any links? Just trying to get enough power to run the GTX260 for a bit then it will retire to another machine.

Here is a bit of into on them.
5869) Message boards : Number crunching : Needing a cheap Power Supply (Message 966393)
Posted 28 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
You would always go for an add in PCIe power supply. It might give you greater flexability in the future.
5870) Message boards : Number crunching : Scratching my head over iPad (Message 966331)
Posted 28 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Why would I want a computer I could write on?


Hi Ned, well, those dang school kids with all the money are important game changers. But what I saw had a "finger-slideable" full sized keyboard that was simply displayed on the touch sensitive screen (just like the iPhone, but for normal fingers).

The last good keyboard was the IBM Model M (in quite a few variants).

How do you get good tactile feedback out of a keyboard displayed on a touch screen.

Magic I think http://www.redferret.net/?p=9533
5871) Message boards : Number crunching : BOINC and Domain Controller (Message 966325)
Posted 28 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
... and when I see "mycompany.com" I frequently find that the server was sold by a consultant who is a Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer.


... {sigh} lots of those guys can't architect their way out of a paper bag.

That's because it wasn't part of the MCSE class.
5872) Message boards : Number crunching : Scratching my head over iPad (Message 966323)
Posted 28 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I'd imagine that by next year we should be able to find standard netbooks that are tablet like.

I type 70 words per minute. My handwriting is illegible.

Why would I want a computer I could write on?

I don't want to write on it. I can't read my own handwriting most of the time..... maybe I should have been a doctor.
5873) Message boards : Number crunching : Needing a cheap Power Supply (Message 966319)
Posted 28 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I can afford this one today or wait a month or so for one that is $200+.


I'm a little 'biased' ... but I'd suggest waiting until you can find a beefy $200 supply with more than you need ... for about $150 ;)


Agreed. You can get a Corsair 950W for $150 from Newegg which has a single 78amp +12V rail and six PCIe connectors.

That one has a 5 year warranty instead of 3, & is 80 plus certified.
5874) Message boards : Number crunching : Scratching my head over iPad (Message 966317)
Posted 28 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
netbooks that are tablet like

An upcoming Oh-Ah item is a touch based netbook with no keyboard... rather, TWO screens (opens up same way, joins in the middle).



I saw a CGI video of notebook like that before christmas, but it used a flexible LCD. One half would be a keyboard with it was in a 90 degree or so position. Then when laid flat it would be one large screen.
5875) Message boards : Number crunching : Curious about AP (Message 966313)
Posted 28 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I was more interested in the "results in the field".. this morning before the splitters were turned on it was 65. Just 65. Now look at it. each one of those is 8MB pushed across that link.


Uh oh! Over 40 new AP results returned in the last hour. That probably means errors.

I'm thinking so..

Result turnaround time (last hour average) 1.70 hours

Maybe they are just AP shorties? Anyone seen a result form the new ones yet? Only for 1 on all of my machines. I might force it to run tomorrow when I get into work to see if it fails quickly.
5876) Message boards : Number crunching : Scratching my head over iPad (Message 966304)
Posted 28 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Geeze, iPad is SOO much better than a piece of crap netbook after all.
Only Jobs could have known ;>)

I think the whole point is that this isn't a Netbook. It's something else.

Does it fill a need? I have no idea.


I agree completely Nedd.

It's actually LESS yet costs more, and THATs what makes it 'something else' as they can do this because it has an Apple on it ;>)

I'm having some fun w/ this.


I'd imagine that by next year we should be able to find standard netbooks that are tablet like. Which would make them more useful IMO. Actually if I could find one of those I'd buy it to replace my notebook that I bought just to run my car diagnostic software.
5877) Message boards : Number crunching : Needing a cheap Power Supply (Message 966296)
Posted 28 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Heres the actual spec sheet for it, it says 4 12v rails....

Spec Sheet

I saw that when I popped over to their site after looking at it at tiger. I think that might be a typo. In the output specs they list "+12V1@39A +12V2@39A" which are more important numbers. It doesn't indicated if it's 78A max or like a lot of other supplies something like maybe 70A max from the 12v rails. The 625w supply I have has 3 25A 12v rails, but has a total output of 50A from the 12v.

Adding up their rated outputs +3.3V@30A +5V@35A +12V1@39A +12V2@39A comes to 1210w.
5878) Message boards : Number crunching : Optimizing my PC for SETI (Message 966290)
Posted 28 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Brad,

If your video card is an Nvidia 8100 or newer you can install a CUDA capable driver & use that to process tasks as well using your CPU. I think you just need any driver version 185.85 or newer. The newest drivers are 196 or such.

Like it was said before BOIONCManager just displays what the BOINC.exe is doing. There is no advantage to running 8 or 12 tasks at a time instead of 4. There are debug settings to change if you want to play around with that however.

The optimized applications can reduce the time it takes to process tasks by about 30%. Installing the current version can be a bit tricky & at worst dumps all of your currently downloaded tasks. Which isn't that big of deal. They will get automagicly sent back out later to someone else.

You can also play with overclocking your computer if you can to do that. Some motherboards do this as a default setting. So you might already be running a bit faster.
5879) Message boards : Number crunching : Scratching my head over iPad (Message 966282)
Posted 28 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
IMO the ipad is just a larger ipod touch. Where you can actually see the screen when watching a movie.


I have a Touch (was a freebee) and that is also my initial impression re: iPad
Sure, the big draw is likely the idea of a media device that can connect to internet wherever you have AT&T or Verizon network coverage, but wait....you can do THAT too w/ a laptop or netbook.

Oh yeah, I forgot that Job's said that Apple doesn't know how to make a sub-$500 netbook that isn't a piece of crap.

Interesting solution.....Just sell wicked-cool looking $500-$900 Jumbo-Touchs' instead that don't need storage, real CPU power or much versatility. Oh wait....you get iBooks.

NOW I'm getting it!

Uber-Touch + uber-Kindle + cell network internet connectivity ALL in a single 16GB 3G device starting at $629.00 so you can pay the phone company monthly for a data plan, and Apple for any movies, songs or books you want to own.

Geeze, iPad is SOO much better than a piece of crap netbook after all.
Only Jobs could have known ;>)

I'm not worthy.......



But will the vonage application run on it?
5880) Message boards : Number crunching : Needing a cheap Power Supply (Message 966278)
Posted 28 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
That supply only has 2 12v rails @ 39A each. Is that sufficient to run your cards? The specs don't indicate if it can put out 78A or if it might be limited to less.
I've never heard of this brand before, or seen it in any reviews, but every manufacture was new at some point. So I can't hold that against them.
5881) Message boards : Number crunching : BOINC and Domain Controller (Message 966270)
Posted 28 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Active Directory .... Kerberos to authenticate computer and user objects.

Spot on Flain, plus including kerberos aware apps, assuming all parties are in a AD domain model (and kerb rhelm), ideally Native Mode, as mixed mode still has an emulated PDC w/NTLM auth services. But keep in mind there is still SPNEGO to negotiate downwards and/or across the river.

Most of the cross model SMB sharing access problems I've seen in recent years are resolved by knowing how to set up a session and passing through a valid set of credentials (between two computers that agree on the current TIME).

PS: And whomever is still running WfW 3.11 should probably consider turning that off before advising others to not consider AD.

Yeah they should really be using WFW 3.12.
5882) Message boards : Number crunching : Scratching my head over iPad (Message 966245)
Posted 28 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
IMO the ipad is just a larger ipod touch. Where you can actually see the screen when watching a movie.
5883) Message boards : Number crunching : Missing Tasks (Message 966225)
Posted 27 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
So while checking my account I noticed a block of tasks that were shown as in progress somewhat lower in the list after a bunch of completed tasks.

Looking at their names and looking at the list of tasks in my BOINC Manager I do not find them. Where did they go? How do I clean them from my online account so wingmen will not have to wait till they expire and wonder what I am doing with them since I do not have them.

Ghost Tasks - Tasks assigned to you but due to an error your BOINC client software never got the message.
5884) Message boards : Number crunching : BOINC and Domain Controller (Message 966185)
Posted 27 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
@ozzfan
Hi
What is wrong advice about active directory.
Just want to know.
If I understand right ntlmv2 is default on win 7 and ntlm is used default on win 2000 and 2003. How do I enable ntlm and ntlmv2 on my win 7 laptop.
Or should I de enable ntlm on my win 2000 or enable ntlmv2 on my win 2000.
A lot of people are having trouble see shares from their server from win 7 including linux servers.

Paul

I've not had any problems accessing redhat, fedora, hpux, solaris, aix, or novell network shares with windows 7. Are you getting any errors in your security event log on your server?
5885) Message boards : Number crunching : Rig on the BENCH (Message 966145)
Posted 27 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I just wanted to see if I could make 2 power supplies work off 1 motherboard. I took the P4 I have in the Garage that I am killing and shaved off the insulation about 1/2" on the Green and a black wire next to it on the motherboard connector. Next I pulled the Green and Black wires off the connector on my test power supply and wrapped each around the coresponding wires I shaved on good 1st power supply. Turned it on and both started working right away, left them running overnight. I wonder if I could use this to power up my idle GTX260 sitting idle waiting for new power supply?

The only issues I see is that most switching power supplies tend to have a minimum load requirment. Normally leaving a computer power supply on with no load will cause it to fail. Depending on how the supply you are using was made. Loading the 12v section with video cards would be more then sufficent. If not the 5v & 3.3v sections may overheat & fail.
5886) Message boards : Number crunching : Development BOINC 6.10.29 released (Message 966111)
Posted 27 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
How do I sign up or get selected as a volunteer tester? Will I need to dl the source for 6.10.29 and compile from the source archive or are the exe's available?

You can get the installs here.
5887) Message boards : Number crunching : Computer in the garage (Message 966095)
Posted 27 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Update on the computer in the garage. The cpu is oc'ed to 3.9 ghz. 3 of the 4 gpu's are at 684/1292/1450 and 696 GFL. The other gpu is at 594/1026/1296 and only 622 GFL! All on air cooling, but that air is 40F! All temps stay in the 60C-70C range.

I was playing around in my sun room like this. Since it has no heat or air vents running into the room it does get rather cold in the winter. However this does make a rather nice walk in beer fridge. An old P4 I was playing with overclocking trying to kill was only running at 28C down a few degrees from the 51C it was at in the living room.
5888) Message boards : Number crunching : OT - Win7 edition advice (Message 965992)
Posted 26 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thanks to all, a bunch of good information. I'll have to check Wiki - saw
the MS pages, and seemed like the only thing that really mattered in jumping
from Home Premium to Pro was for joining a domain (which I wouldn't have at
home).

But the part about RDP likely would be. right now, I do VNC into the XPPro machine
for some things hosted there that I like to get into from the daily driver.
Using TightVNC, but it's a little clunky, as in it does not support Fast User
Switching (which I do have the XPPro turned on), so I can only VNC into the
one user login which has TightVNC installed. Plus, when I am VNC'ed into the
XPPro desktop, mouse control on the physical console is somewhat messed up.

I've used remote desktop login at work (all XP) - but if I get W7Pro, will
I be able to login to it from other platforms (lesser Win versions), or go from
it to the lesser platforms, or is it only meaningful between 2 W7Pro platforms?

Or are other (free or shareware) VNC platforms more adept about modern OS'es
and multiple user usage?



I just switched from RealVNC Free Edition to UltraVNC. Ultra VNC will run as a service in Vista/Win7 Where the Free version of RealVNC doesn't care to.
5889) Message boards : Number crunching : Picture this.... (Message 965977)
Posted 26 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have tried everything. I feel like a complete dolt. I am having trouble typing in the location of the pictures. Then I looked at my spelling of my last post, and I realized that beer does affect things. :) I will figure this out eventually, but at the moment, I guess I can continue to feel like a dolt.

Steve


I always have found the link on the left when making a post that says "Use BBCode tags to format your text" to be very useful.
5890) Message boards : Number crunching : Crunching / Gaming Computer Build 2010 (Message 965942)
Posted 26 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hmmm... Luke.... My i7-860 @ stock speeds that I use a few hours hours a night to watch HD seems to have passed your machine in RAC somehow. You must have broken something. :p
5891) Message boards : Number crunching : **CLOSED SETI/BOINC Milestones [ v2.0 ] - XIX CLOSED** (Message 965940)
Posted 26 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Everything seems to have been working to well recently. *scratches head in confusion*
5892) Message boards : Number crunching : What online computer store do you recommend? (Message 965937)
Posted 25 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Decided to call compuvest a bit ago to make sure I got the card as they are first come first serve on recertified. Got a recording saying someone call me back in less than 30 minutes and true to their word a lady called and informed me it would ship today.

I always have to make the best out of what I can afford. I decided on a 1GB PNY GeForce GTX 285 GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 Dual DVI TV-OUT VCGGTX285XPB for
249.00
Shipping: $8.76 (Ground Shipping)
WA Tax: $23.66
Order Total: $281.41
Hope it was a good deal.

I found a shop that has that card for $207.59, but I've never heard of them & they have a $300 minimum order. So I think you do well :D
5893) Message boards : Number crunching : Computer in the garage (Message 965934)
Posted 25 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
My computer room stays at 80F all the time. This computer http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/show_host_detail.php?hostid=5266723 ,which is OCed to 3.4ghz. What if i put it in the 40F garage. Would it work better/faster?

Well your computer doesn't really care what temp the room is. It really just matters what the temp of the components get to. If you have sufficient cooling with the room at 80F I wouldn't move it. If you are looking to try and overclock it a bit more then moving out into the cold could help a bit, but I would be concerned about particulates like other have mentioned.

On the other side of the coin. Is your garage 40F in the summer as well, or closer to 140F? Just another option you'd have to weigh when considering moving a system to your garage.
5894) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (28) Server problems (Message 965805)
Posted 25 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Replica is now 3000 seconds behind the master.


Must be generating the daily stats.


Yep, all caught up again now.

I've never seen that before.

Since I am on US Eastern Time it starts around 7pm for me. When we go to Daylight Saving Time it will move to 8pm since UTC doesn't do DST.
5895) Message boards : Number crunching : Rig on the BENCH (Message 965804)
Posted 25 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Looking at your task results. Looks like most of them have "unspecified launch failure". Which I have no clue what that points to. Time to hit up one of the cuda experts me thinks.
5896) Message boards : Number crunching : Rig on the BENCH (Message 965795)
Posted 25 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Is it possible that there is a bad batch of tasks.
All the tasks that are going faulty on me seem to be 24fe07 ?

Dave


It could be that the dish was pointed at a TV or GPS satellite that day.
5897) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (28) Server problems (Message 965792)
Posted 25 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Replica is now 3000 seconds behind the master.


Must be generating the daily stats.
5898) Message boards : Number crunching : ATI Radeon HD 4890 and GPU usage question (Message 965787)
Posted 25 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Get Rivatuner. The graph page will show all the various temperatures and gpu usage.


msi afterburner or evga precision also.


I just use the catalyst control center. As it shows the GPU temp, usage, allows you to overclock, & adjust the fan speed.


I never install CCC on my computers as it makes them unstable when they are crunching.

I remove all of the autoloading things & just use it for adjustments.
5899) Message boards : Number crunching : your least liked motherboard brand (Message 965786)
Posted 25 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
No one has mentioned Intel boards...

Any good?


I've never had a problem with an Intel board. The just lack features that you get on boards form other manufactures though.
5900) Message boards : Number crunching : your least liked motherboard brand (Message 965746)
Posted 24 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I use to only go with Asus or Abit. In my mind Abit hasn't mad a board I would even consider in years. At the moment I wouldn't use a free asus board since I had problems with the last one I got from them. I use to really hate gigabyte board as every one I came across was total rubbish. They have cleaned up their act & I'm using several gigabyte boards now.

So I guess it really just comes & goes.
5901) Message boards : Number crunching : ATI Radeon HD 4890 and GPU usage question (Message 965742)
Posted 24 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Get Rivatuner. The graph page will show all the various temperatures and gpu usage.


msi afterburner or evga precision also.


I just use the catalyst control center. As it shows the GPU temp, usage, allows you to overclock, & adjust the fan speed.
5902) Message boards : Number crunching : What online computer store do you recommend? (Message 965710)
Posted 24 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Just having a look over my bookmarks folder for places I order stuff from amazon, computers4sure, crazypc, crucial, jab-tech, mwave, newegg, zipzoomfly. However, I normal use nextag, prigrabber, & google shopping to find the place that has what I want for the best price. Then I decide on the cheapest place I'm willing to order from.
5903) Message boards : Number crunching : Picture this.... (Message 965709)
Posted 24 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thanks for all the PICs Mark, seems everyone else always cleans their mess first and my ol lady gives me a hard time. Well I showed her your PICs and asked if she really had it that bad...she walked out. LOL She is slowing forcing me to move to the Garage...


I didn't clean up anything before the photos. I don't like to clean so I just don't make a mess to being with :D
5904) Message boards : Number crunching : Rig on the BENCH (Message 965602)
Posted 24 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I've found merging to not work sometimes if the OS reports the system to different to the servers. I was using linux on a machine then switched to windows. Merging between the two hosts was not allowed. So now I just put boinc in a folder on a non-OS partition. Then I just run it from there w/o installing when I switch OS's. If you run BOINC that way the BOINC folder becomes the DATA folder as well. So you'd have to move a few things around before you start up BOINC.
5905) Message boards : Number crunching : What occuring with my est times?? (Message 965543)
Posted 23 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Everybody knows you should be using the ISO 8601 date format YYYY-MM-DD :p
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_8601


Its a great way to start file names if you want an easy way to sort them into a date order - I do actually use it :}

Both the ISO & British date orders make sense to me but I have never seen sense in the mixed up US date order. But if using it makes you happy ........


I never knew YYYY-MM-DD was a standard format. I've used it for years for things like my IRC log names & such. I was using the standard US format MM-DD-YYYY before that. As it puts the month & day in order, but then you loose all order once you get into multi years. I'm just glad that the format for time is the same for everyone. Well maybe not the format with 12 & 24 times, but at least the placement of the values is the same.
5906) Message boards : Number crunching : i find myself in a quandary (Message 965368)
Posted 23 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
walked into the Goodwill this am...
a skt 775 mb caught my eye..
caps nearly all blown however
but what i was looking at was the heatsink...
yes...they left the heatsink on it...(and the CPU)
i pointed out the blown caps and the guy offered it to me for
$1.00, thats right 100 pennies.
the heatsink was one of the screwdowns...which is way better than the
standard intel plastic clip thingies....
just got home with it....
a celeron d 347 underneith the heatsink...
oh well it can be sold too.



I'm glad I don't live near that place. I'd be broke buying stuff like that. I once for a model 80 polaroid land camera at a goodwill or salvation army store for $10. I have no idea if it works. I just thought it looked cool.
5907) Message boards : Number crunching : Picture this.... (Message 965367)
Posted 23 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have a small admission to make. I'm really a cute & fuzzy bunny.
5908) Message boards : Number crunching : i7 CPU 950 crunches less with overclock. (Message 965288)
Posted 22 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I am running the standard Seti apps with no overclocks. I had hoped the i7 would peak around 9000-10000 with the standard apps ... but, I don't think it's going to make it that far. I'll give it another 2-3 weeks to see what it does. I don't want to play with overclocking until my warranty expires in a couple of years. Also, I know that the 220's are slow and, of course, the VLAR's affect things as well.


You can look at your daily machine stats on sites like Free-DC & get an idea of what your RAC might be. Looks liek the past few days you have been doing around 10K a day.
5909) Message boards : Number crunching : Picture this.... (Message 965118)
Posted 22 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Here is a shot of my main system, server, notebook, & an old P3 1.4Ghz with an ATI 3850 in it I'm playing with


what is the model of rig under headphones? coolermaster century?

That's a Thermaltake M9 case housing my E8400. It was about $80 when I ordered it from amazon in June. The version with the plexi window is cheaper for some reason.
The only issues I have with it is the depth is a bit short. That or my video card is just rather long.
Inside the belly of the beast 1, & 2
5910) Message boards : Number crunching : i find myself in a quandary (Message 965113)
Posted 22 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Out of the machines you would consider sticking a CUDA card in. Can they handle the card or would you have to upgrade the PSU's as well? As Pappa was saying those are probably the systems you would get the most back on now to be able to put towards new systems.

If you sold off say 40 systems and only averaged $100 per system that's $4000 towards new stuff. Just looking over at zipzoomfly really quick an i7-860, ASUS P7P55-M board with built in video & PCIe slot, & 4GB memory is $480. With a case, HD, & PSU (if you don't have those already sitting around) would probably make it close to $650 for a whole system using. An i5-750 is $80 less, & a 2GB memory kit is $40 less.

Four i7-860 like that would do somewhere in the range of 24-36,000 RAC & you'd have the option to drop a nice cuda card in later if you wanted. Even with cuda cards in the systems I'd expect it would be less power used as well.
5911) Message boards : Number crunching : Picture this.... (Message 965102)
Posted 22 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Here is a shot of my main system, server, notebook, & an old P3 1.4Ghz with an ATI 3850 in it I'm playing with



A couple close up shots.
Detail 1
Detail 2

I was going to get a photo of my media PC in the living room. However it would seem someone needs to charge their camera....

and yes. I like Mac keyboards.
5912) Message boards : Number crunching : i find myself in a quandary (Message 965029)
Posted 21 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
should i sell off systems and parts to build new
or stick with the old and augment with new parts?

what would you do?


If their primary purpose is just seti farm I would sell off the old for money to go towards new stuff. You could end up with fewer machines to manage, that use less power, & preform more processing. Not to mention fewer monitors, keyboards, network switches you would need to keep to all going.

I like my older hardware & the parts I don't have a use for I sometimes bring out to play with to do things. I often wish I had sold them off earlier to offset the cost of newer things I have bought tho. If I did $5 for all the old hard drives, cd/dvd roms, nics, scsi cards, & such I still have around I would have more then paid for my new media PC. Which I only spent about $700 upgrading to an i7 system.
5913) Message boards : Number crunching : little hot or normal (Message 965002)
Posted 21 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
CPU-Z is reporting my CPU is running at 1.008v. I think voltage is one of the settings I have left at auto in my bios.


That's what it should be at if your CPU is mostly idle. It will go up to around 1.2V when running at 100% load. Did you install a new cooler, or are we still talking about the stock heatsink/fan?


1.008v is my i7-860 running full tilt. HT on, Turbo Boost off, no OC, stock cooler. I have a plan for a new cooler once I get a proper medica pc case, or at least one what will fit into my entertainment center.
5914) Message boards : Number crunching : i7 CPU 950 crunches less with overclock. (Message 964938)
Posted 21 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
There seems to be a line I have found when playing around overclocking an old 2.4GHz P4 system of mine. I ran the same tasks over & over. Resetting the tasks for each overclock. At some point the time to complete the tasks started going up instead of down. The test tasks I have would run 6-7 hours per task. At it's fastest I would get them dwon to 4.5-5 hours. Then increasing the FSB 1 more MHz resulted in the tasks taking 10+ hours. Even tho the CPU was running within it's cooling limits.
So really you just want to look at completion times like Raistmer said. If you were running 18,000 seconds per task & are now running 12,000 seconds for tasks with about the same credit. Then you are going faster.
5915) Message boards : Number crunching : little hot or normal (Message 964870)
Posted 21 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
im currently running the asrock x58 xtreme motherboard,and my cpu is at 1.2 volts


Never heard of the motherboard... I'd personally try and stick to common brands such as EVGA, Intel, Asus or Gigabyte.
Can the vcore go any lower that what it currently is now? Perhaps try and undervolt it. What is the ambient temps like? How is your case ventilation? What CPU fan are you using? How did you spread the thermal paste? etc...

AsRock is a pretty common brand in the US.
5916) Message boards : Number crunching : little hot or normal (Message 964869)
Posted 21 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
im currently running the asrock x58 xtreme motherboard,and my cpu is at 1.2 volts


CPU-Z is reporting my CPU is running at 1.008v. I think voltage is one of the settings I have left at auto in my bios.
5917) Message boards : Number crunching : little hot or normal (Message 964861)
Posted 21 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Just got my heatsink in and after an hour of trying to interpret directions i finally got it in and snug,booted in windows and now temps are better idle about 58c and 100% load using seti it runs about 78c give or take a few c.Not sure if hyperthreading will also increas temps a few C


The cores on my 860, with HT on, are all between 72-74C at the moment. The peak value in hardware monitor shows they got up to 78C at some point. You might see a few degrees higher if your room temp is higher, but looks like you are down into a normal safe area for the CPU now.
5918) Message boards : Number crunching : What is RAC exactly? (Message 964803)
Posted 20 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
It seems to me if RAC is some kind of average that it should drop at the same rate as it rises. Yet it seems hard to make it go up and the slightest mishap can send it spiraling downwards....It definitely goes down way faster then it regains...

Recent Average Credit is updated each time you report work. I see often a 30% diff between the min & max RAC for a given 30 day time frame.

RAC isn't an indicator of a machines performance as there are to many other factors which effect it. If most of the work you are doing goes into pending with you being the first to complete a task your RAC will fall since you are gaining less credit for the given time. However it will also go up when a large number of your pending tasks are being completed by other users.

To really calculate your RAC you have to have an idea of what % of the work your doing do you get credit for in a given day. For a machine with RAC of 7,500 25% of the work it processes could go into pending tasks. Which means it is really doing about 10,000 cobbles of work a day.
5919) Message boards : Number crunching : OT - Win7 edition advice (Message 964800)
Posted 20 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
AFAIK all "home" versions lack of RDP services. They can connect to remote host via RDP, but cant be connected. That is, it's impossible to logon remotely on "home" version windows (xp/vista/7 probably too).

However, VNC works just fine.
5920) Message boards : Number crunching : long debugger warning (Message 964718)
Posted 20 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

But, this is a BOINC 'prob' and not SETI@home 'prob'.
So you need to contact the BOINC devs.

AFAIK, the forum is like dead: 'http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dev'

IIRC, then there is the Alpha Mailing List or something like this..


Maybe someone other could jump in, where you should post your experiences.


Haa.. I made a BUG report (and wrote much messages in forum) for some time - I wanted to help the devs..
But, my BUG report wasn't 'useable' and were deleted.
Haa.. so I gave up to help to make BOINC 'better', if they don't want.


____________
[Optimized project applications, for to increase your PC performance (double RAC)!][Overview of abbreviations, which are used often in forum and their meaning.]

It's under control and those that need it know it is here....it's OK they already know I am an idiot....

It's ok, we like you anyway :D
5921) Message boards : Number crunching : Add'd PC (Message 964717)
Posted 20 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Online but still 90 some thousand seconds behind. It will take it a day or so to catch up to the master.

That's only another 25 hours or so :)
5922) Message boards : Number crunching : Max temp for Athlon64 X2 5200+ ?? (Message 964715)
Posted 20 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
CPU-Z will display revision. In screen shot I did "BH-G2" is displayed. G2 is only important data for me. Matches AMD spec sheet.
I do not use coretemp software. I do not know what it might be able to show.


CoreTemp show CPUID, APICID, Revision, VID.
Now I look here on my.. other CPU manufacturer.. ;-) not the AMD one..

So on the AMD Phenom II X4 940 BE it should be the same.


Strange, you see the Core temps on your Athlon64 X2 5400+..
CoreTemp don't show the Cores of my AMD Phenom II X4 940 BE. It show only the CPU temp.

Which prog I should let run to measure the CPU-Core temps?

A small prog for the system tray, and the icon show the temps of all Cores like it do it here on my other PC with CoreTemp.


EDIT: You used 'CPUID Hardware Monitor', this prog could do this?



I prefer CPUID's Hardware Monitor better then coretemp. As it shows all system temp not just CPU. Also software is free. Free is good :D
5923) Message boards : Number crunching : OT - Win7 edition advice (Message 964714)
Posted 20 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
From NT up to at least XP. There is a limit of 10 simultaneous connections to a network share. In Win7 or Vista this was bumped up to 20. At work I didn't have any issue using even Win7 Starter on our network. The only think I didn't do was connect to a NT 4.0 machine. Which I might try when I go into work in the next 30 min.


The key is "simultaneous". Most home users do not have 10 people using the same share at the same time. Before I installed a Windows 2000 Server on my network, I had a similar configuration and I did not have any issue connecting 15 PCs to a single file share (albeit not all at once).

Windows Vista and 7 Home Editions (including Starter) cannot join a Windows Active Directory Domain, but they can still access resources on the domain as long as the user account is authenticated. This should work for Vista -> NT 4.0 machines as well (at least, I have no issues with my Vista/7 machines connecting to my NT 4.0 machines or my NT 4.0 Server machine).


I loaded up a Win7 Starter image & was able to access everything on our network at work just fine. Connected to NT 4.0 workstation, sun solaris, & fedora network shares. Even to 2003 Server AD shares, tho the win7 machines was a non domain member, I just used user auth to connect. Even starter allows you to set manual IP addresses.

So Dave I think any version should be good for you. Depending on the features you want. Both Wikipedia & Microsoft have comparison charts for the features.
My personal choice would not to go with anything less then Professional as I use some of the features that you don't get with any lower level editions.
5924) Message boards : Number crunching : New results from 6 - 66 results per request (Message 964605)
Posted 19 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Is anybody know why on some client when requested new works project give 60 results, and on another client project give 6 , in next request new 6 and so on.

I cannot find any logical solution and appear it is not related with host speed or computation power and size of cache.
Thanks for any reply.

Depends on # of result in server at time of check. If the server only has 10 in the queue to send & you request 100, you only get 10.
Also the # requested does have to do with the speed of the machine & how empty the buffer is. My really slow machien that take 30-40 hours for 1 task only request 1. Faster machines request as much as needed to fill queue.
5925) Message boards : Number crunching : OT - Win7 edition advice (Message 964601)
Posted 19 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
From NT up to at least XP. There is a limit of 10 simultaneous connections to a network share. In Win7 or Vista this was bumped up to 20. At work I didn't have any issue using even Win7 Starter on our network. The only think I didn't do was connect to a NT 4.0 machine. Which I might try when I go into work in the next 30 min.
5926) Message boards : Number crunching : Max temp for Athlon64 X2 5200+ ?? (Message 964600)
Posted 19 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
CPU-Z will display revision. In screen shot I did "BH-G2" is displayed. G2 is only important data for me. Matches AMD spec sheet.
I do not use coretemp software. I do not know what it might be able to show.
5927) Message boards : Number crunching : so how goes the ati multibeam app ?? (Message 964599)
Posted 19 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
any news on the creation of one, a bi weekly or monthly update by whoever is trying . could keep us in the know


I don't know about an ATI MB App, but for upto date info about the ATI AP CPU/GPU Hybrid App you could head over to Seti Beta. Where it's being tested.
5928) Message boards : Number crunching : Cruncher in Mineral Oil (Message 964522)
Posted 19 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Also, USB WIFI adapters can be had very cheaply; that's a far more elegant solution than using a whole laptop just to provide WIFI.


The laptop screen is screwed and all it does anymore is crunch, I was using it out there as a bit of heat...LOL


I set my tea cup on my notebook to keep it warm :)
5929) Message boards : Number crunching : Max temp for Athlon64 X2 5200+ ?? (Message 964518)
Posted 19 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
AMD made 3 different 5200+ chips
2.6GHz 89W 55-70C
2.6GHz 65W 55-72C
2.7GHz 65W 55-68C
Hard to tell which spec is right for team mate CPU.
Maybe CPUID can read revision number to tell which CPU? F2 or F2 for 2.6GHz. If 2.7GHz is easy. Only one 2.7GHz 5200+.
AMD Specs not as easy to find as intel ones :(
5930) Message boards : Number crunching : computation errors (Message 964427)
Posted 18 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
A large number of tasks have been failing on my machine and I have been asking for help from my team. Team lead Chris Marion pointed me to your threads. Our discussions are on the Alien Beacon Tech Questions. But in a nutshell I started using Lunatics optimizer and after just a couple days the problems began. The error messages are
1/14/2010 7:05:35 PM SETI@home Starting 16fe07aa.26631.11115.13.10.227_1
1/14/2010 7:05:38 PM SETI@home [error] Process creation failed:
1/14/2010 7:05:40 PM SETI@home Computation for task 16fe07aa.26631.11115.13.10.227_1 finished
1/14/2010 7:05:40 PM SETI@home Output file 16fe07aa.26631.11115.13.10.227_1_0 for task 16fe07aa.26631.11115.13.10.227_1 absent

It also showed the application as "Anonymous Platform". About 60 tasks have failed so I've suspended SETI for the moment hoping not to do any more damage, if damage is indeed done. The reading of this thread and a few others has been informative but no resolution is seen. I do not have a GPU so the VLAR is likely not a problem for me. I could have done (somehow) a bad install of the optimizer. Chis thought that I just got a bad batch. Or there's that Windows update to which I haven't done a restart. Should I consider backing out the optimizer? It's not the end of the world of course but I would like my little machine to be productive. Your thoughts?


Did you use the Win32 Lunatics' Unified Installer v0.2 or download a single version like "4 - Windows 32 bit AK v8.0 SSE (Pentium 3)". If you are using the incorrect one you will get lots of issues.
You might wish to read the sticky topic AK V8 ported release ap. issues, install, questions etc.
5931) Message boards : Number crunching : Question About Report Function (Message 964424)
Posted 18 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

More like the postal service calling to tell you they found both your socks.

LOL. And was it a matching pair?

So that's where the dryer sends them......
5932) Message boards : Number crunching : Too Cool (not really) cuda running 2 apps 1 card. (Message 964384)
Posted 18 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
If you know that BOINC has a problem when you have more then say 1.5GB of work. You can limit the about of space BOINC is allowed to use.

Actually I have no problems except when hit with big downloads. Then Boinc gets really confused, the uploads and downloads just take way too much and there has to be a better way or things will start falling apart as more people upgrade. Right now even with 1.7GB I can work and do anything I want on my computer that doesn't seem to be the real problem, I can click from one tab to another and boinc is fine. The trigger to make it go into High Priority seems to touchy and that also causes Boinc serious problems. Once I got thru the shorties from Hades everything cleared right up.

Is that with any up/download or just when it goes on a spree of downloads?
5933) Message boards : Number crunching : Too Cool (not really) cuda running 2 apps 1 card. (Message 964379)
Posted 18 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
If you know that BOINC has a problem when you have more then say 1.5GB of work. You can limit the about of space BOINC is allowed to use.
5934) Message boards : Number crunching : Question About Report Function (Message 964375)
Posted 18 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thanks for the explanation. But it doesn't strike me as simple, as it requires the client to contact the server simply to "report" what has already been sent. It's like receiving packages through the post, but not opening them until I receive a letter saying "you may now open the packages".

Don't forget that in SETI's case they're two different servers.

So your analogy would be closer to getting a letter through the post, to say that your package is available for collection from the local depot.

Why don't the two servers talk to each other? This would cut out unnecessary internet traffic.

This is probably going to stretch the analogy too far, but....

Yes, the two servers do talk to each other, without using the internet. But having the 'notification letter' (delivery advice note, if you like) - which contains the task name (consignment number, by analogy) - the "report" server can go and collect the package direct from the depot without having to have any sort of stockkeeping/inventory control at the depot.

Another complication is that the arrival of a package in the depot is no use by itself: the other half of the package, the upload from your wingmate, has to have arrived too before it's any use. The designers seem to think that it's easier to compare the delivery notes (using the database technology on the "report" server), and find that there are a matched pair - and then go and collect both duplicate packages at once - rather than rely on the depot storekeeper to spot the matches (that would probably require yet another database). And if each of those sounds as simple as each other, remember that SETI is dealing with around 14 of these - seven pairs to match, out of a heap of 5 million - every second, day in and day out. Try simulating that in your sock drawer!


Going with the postal analogy...
The report function would be like the post office calling to let you know you have a package. So that you don't have to go to the post office everyday & check.
5935) Message boards : Number crunching : Max temp for Athlon64 X2 5200+ ?? (Message 964365)
Posted 18 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I found the updated document on AMD's website
AMD NPT Family 0Fh Desktop Processor Power and Thermal Data Sheet.
Which does cover the newer AM2 socket chips.
Also here are the temps I'm running with the 5400+, ADO5400DOBOX, I have. Using stock cooler, 21.7C ambient, seti@home running all weekend.
5936) Message boards : Number crunching : Max temp for Athlon64 X2 5200+ ?? (Message 964263)
Posted 18 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hmmm... yes. Looks like AMD can not bother to update public documents.
I have 5400+ chip in machine at work. Would be good to know it's limits as well. I still have the retail box for the part in my desk. Maybe it will have some documentation inside.
5937) Message boards : Number crunching : Max temp for Athlon64 X2 5200+ ?? (Message 964248)
Posted 18 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I think this is what you want.
AMD Athlon 64 Processor Power and Thermal Data Sheet
http://www.amd.com/us-en/assets/content_type/white_papers_and_tech_docs/30430.pdf

I found it in Support > Tech Docs on the processor info page.
http://www.amd.com/us/products/desktop/processors/athlon-x2/Pages/amd-athlon-x2-dual-core-processors-desktop.aspx
5938) Message boards : Number crunching : Curious about AP (Message 964247)
Posted 18 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I had some AP work units that were uploaded in early Dec. just go through validation. wuid 534401745 was finished on Dec 1st & just validated a day or two ago. I've got a total of 3 that validated the past few days over the 3 machines I have enabled for AP.

I figure it's part of their ongoing process of trying to fix the few corrupt rows in the AP database.
5939) Message boards : Number crunching : How hot do you let your i7 get? (Message 963973)
Posted 16 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Until it dies..................


Was this directed at me? Why am I any more likely to kill my CPU than anyone else here? I don't even overclock (other than the TurboBoost thing), and have been quite aggressive at keeping my temps down.

I would hazard a guess that msattler's post was a reply to the topic "How hot do you let your i7 get?"
5940) Message boards : Number crunching : Rig on the BENCH (Message 963972)
Posted 16 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Maybe photobucket made it smaller. Could be limit for free accounts?
5941) Message boards : Number crunching : 95 days for 1 wu :-) (Message 963572)
Posted 15 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I just pulled up the calendar and looked and added 30 or 31 a few times, and then added the partial days for January to the running tally.

Even though my rig abandoned the WU, I guess that means I really shouldn't count that in the total, but I was counting from the issue date to present. Using Excel to double-check my 6am math, I come up with... 118 days. So I was off a little.

I think 6am math falls into the +/- 15% range :D
5942) Message boards : Number crunching : 95 days for 1 wu :-) (Message 963548)
Posted 15 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I read this thread and was tempted to ask: Why does it matter? Any objective observer would conclude they don't do anything with the processed wu results. But then I thought twice and decided not to expose my cynicism.


ummm.... it's fun to look at numbers?
5943) Message boards : Number crunching : 95 days for 1 wu :-) (Message 963503)
Posted 15 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Cosmic Ocean & Vyper, how are you guys counting the days? I'm not getting the numbers you guys are... For Cosmic Ocean, I get 117 days, for Vyper, I get 137, I'm going off of the days the successes were returned.

-Dave

I don't get those numbers either, but I used a date calculator.
5944) Message boards : Number crunching : Server App Prioritization (Message 963482)
Posted 15 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
do the changed settings hold or do i need to reset after a reboot?

Priority settings changed in task manager are only in effect while the application is running. There are programs to have the priority of applications changed for you if you need that type of functionality.
5945) Message boards : Number crunching : Rig on the BENCH (Message 963479)
Posted 15 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
@ Michael thanks for making that synopsis of the memory debate more enlightening.
I think I got the jist of it now.As Hal pointed out about top hosts not sure how they get round it.

@ Hal thanks for the offer any help to set this memory up would useful.
The MoBo is an MSI 790FX-GD70 which supports 2133 memory.
I have 4GB of GEIL DDR3 PC3 17000 2133MHz CL 9-9-9-28.
If that helps.I have looked on the net for info how to configure but no joy yet.

Dave

PS Rig on a Bench RAC now 673 LOL but there are 2 9600gt's helping out.They were surplus


It looks like the feature DRAM Advanced Control, at the top of pages 3-22 is what you might what. Selcting that could be the option to enable the 2133 profile in the memory. If that doesn't work the FSB/DRAM Ratio option look like the only other option I can see that would do anything.
5946) Message boards : Number crunching : Rig on the BENCH (Message 963476)
Posted 15 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
If a video cards memory is mapped to the system memory space making it unusabealbe for the system. Then wouldn't the system requirments for say a BFG NVIDIA GeForce GTX 285 OC 2GB card be more then 2GB.


You're confusing "memory space" (aka address space) and memory. They're very different things.

What was said was that the video memory takes up "address space". It doesn't displace (or 'shadow') main memory. It just shares the same address space.

If that doesn't make sense, then just accept that no, you do NOT need physical RAM equal to the amount of video RAM. Nobody here said that, and that is certainly not true.

You can run a GTX295 with nearly 2 gigs of video ram in a system which only has 1 gig of regular ram. There's no problem doing that.

The problem is that the SUM of the video ram PLUS the main ram can not exceed 4 gigs under 32-bit Windows. That's the only limitation here.


Ok right, address space not ram, got it. Think I got that mixed up when someone mentioned something along the lines of 4 896MB cards would use 3.6GB of the 4GB space leaving 400MB for the OS.

Am am rather curious now as to how a system would respond in such a situation.
5947) Message boards : Number crunching : Rig on the BENCH (Message 963473)
Posted 15 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I realise that but the debate earlier was that the video memory had to be shadowed.
I.E. if I put 4 video cards in this rig then the 6 GPU's will have to be shadowed.This will take up 5 gig of memory and XP can only shadow 4GB.
I have to go to XP64bit.
Not sure how it can shadow that amount of video mem as I only have 4 GB in the rig.
If that makes any sence.
I can't even find out how to configure my 2133 memory in the bios.
This AMI bios for this MSI rig is not as easy as the bios in my i7 rig,which was easy to set.

Dave


What's the model of the board? I could download the manual & give it a peek if you wanted another set of eyes.
5948) Message boards : Number crunching : Rig on the BENCH (Message 963472)
Posted 15 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
If a video cards memory is mapped to the system memory space making it unusabealbe for the system. Then wouldn't the system requirments for say a BFG NVIDIA GeForce GTX 285 OC 2GB card be more then 2GB. Also wouldn't they mention the requirements of needing more system memory when listing the SLI requirments. Also the SAPPHIRE HD5970 2GB GDDR5 PCIE lists in it's system requirments that the system only requires 1GB.

I think a lot of what was said must be based on long out of date information.

EDIT: Worth noting is that 6 of the top 20 computers are using x86 OS's. Some of those machines are listed as having only 2GB of ram & displaying [4] NVIDIA GeForce GTX 260 (895MB). While those systems may not have 4 295's some of them might.
5949) Message boards : Number crunching : Intel Atom processor (Message 963458)
Posted 15 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
That's where I like the idea of those picopsu supplies that only require a 12v input. At that point a small 20w "wall wart" could be used to power a system.

Most of the cases with power supplies have 12v or 19v inputs, something pretty reasonable.

16w at 12 volts is 1 1/3 amps.

If the supply has some tolerance, you can run it off a battery, and charge the battery at the same time.

A "Group U1" AGM battery runs about 35 amp-hours, that'd run the computer for a day.

A 60w solar panel would recharge the battery in four or five hours.

... and that is pretty cool.


I tried something sorta of like that a few months ago. I bought 6 6w automotive trickle chargers & 2 12v 12A/h UPS batteries. My plan was to run my router & cable modem off of the setup. Sadly I didn't get anywhere enough light on the panels for them to be able to keep the batteries charged at the power level I'd need.

I may have left out a couple of required parts, like a decent charge controller, and those 6w trickle chargers might trickle a little more than you'd expect (less than you'd expect?).

Each panel has the circuitry in it for that in the cig lighter connector. If I had gotten more then about 10w out of the whole setup I was going to nip off the ends & make my own charge controller with output regulator. Since I'm not sure if my router would be happy with the 12-14.5v swing of the batteries.
5950) Message boards : Number crunching : Intel Atom processor (Message 963377)
Posted 15 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
That's where I like the idea of those picopsu supplies that only require a 12v input. At that point a small 20w "wall wart" could be used to power a system.

Most of the cases with power supplies have 12v or 19v inputs, something pretty reasonable.

16w at 12 volts is 1 1/3 amps.

If the supply has some tolerance, you can run it off a battery, and charge the battery at the same time.

A "Group U1" AGM battery runs about 35 amp-hours, that'd run the computer for a day.

A 60w solar panel would recharge the battery in four or five hours.

... and that is pretty cool.


I tried something sorta of like that a few months ago. I bought 6 6w automotive trickle chargers & 2 12v 12A/h UPS batteries. My plan was to run my router & cable modem off of the setup. Sadly I didn't get anywhere enough light on the panels for them to be able to keep the batteries charged at the power level I'd need.
5951) Message boards : Number crunching : 95 days for 1 wu :-) (Message 963354)
Posted 14 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
My oldest is from Sept. 10th 501573516.
It will get done... when it gets done.
5952) Message boards : Technical News : Continuous (Jan 12 2010) (Message 963340)
Posted 14 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
When all humanity's technology breaks down, we start over with a farm and a hoe.


Actually, you would have to invent the hoe first. And metal working, unless it is a wooden hoe. Then you just need to invent stone tools and figure out how to use them for wood working.

We live in an age of specialization (it started a few thousand years ago). You need to learn a speciality of your own, then find other specialists you can trust, and that need your services.

To start from scratch you must first create the universe :D
5953) Message boards : Number crunching : Intel Atom processor (Message 963338)
Posted 14 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thats a cute little board. mini-box.com also has them listed for sale, plus they have mini PSUs and enclosures: http://www.mini-box.com/MSI-IM-945GSE-Mini-ITX-Motherboard

I've been using the M360 case that they have at LogicSupply -- it comes with a 60w power supply, and accommodates a 2.5" SATA drive nicely (two, actually).

Server-class 2.5" drives are available, and 7200 RPM drives only draw three watts.

The total system draw is 16w. I don't like a 16w system with a 200w supply because some supplies simply can't regulate at such low power.

Good to see another vendor selling this board.

That's where I like the idea of those picopsu supplies that only require a 12v input. At that point a small 20w "wall wart" could be used to power a system.
5954) Message boards : Number crunching : little hot or normal (Message 963337)
Posted 14 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
For comparison my i5 750 that has been on for 24hrs now is currently at:



It doesn't deviate from these temps much, only maybe 1-2 'c at most all day!

D


What cooler you using? my i7-860 runs a fir bit hotter, but I've got HT on. So I know it will be a bit warmer, but my cores are running about 20C warmer then yours.
5955) Message boards : Number crunching : little hot or normal (Message 963322)
Posted 14 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
after reapplying thermal paste for 3rd or 4th time and making sure fan is secure inall cores avg around 80 Celsius at idling

Is the heat sink warm to the touch? Even with the cores at 80C it should be pretty hot.
5956) Message boards : Number crunching : little hot or normal (Message 963318)
Posted 14 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
no i cleaned off the thermal paste using Coffey filter and rubbing alcohol,and applied new thermal paste using a strip going across the cores and ive ran seti using a laptop and old pc with stock cooling with no problem

If you run CPU-Z does it report the CPU is running at it's correct speed? If it's near it's thermal max it might be running in a lower power state in order to preserve itself.
5957) Message boards : Number crunching : graphic card (Message 963315)
Posted 14 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Here's the offical list of supported CUDA devices.
http://www.nvidia.com/object/cuda_learn_products.html
5958) Message boards : Number crunching : Rig on the BENCH (Message 963312)
Posted 14 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
On this MSI MoBo there are 6 places to save profiles.
There is also a whole list of memory options to change.
I realise that I need to changeTCL,TRCD,TRP and TRAS which I have done.
Still only getting 1600 showing instead of 2133.
I will have to do more reading.

Dave


What I had to do for mine was find the section to set the memory profile. The machine I'm using right now at work as a similar setting for it's memory.



So in the bios I'd just have to set EPP 1.0 & all the other settings are changed automagicly.

My gigabyte board uses the term "profile" but yours could be diffrent.

5959) Message boards : Number crunching : Rig on the BENCH (Message 963301)
Posted 14 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Well just got in from work and you guys have been busy.
I have read all the thoughts about memory addressing and the like.
Most of it went over my head LOL.
If I have to go to Win XP 64bit then I will.
This Rig on a Bench has now been running stock for about 24hrs and all is ok.
God its getting warm in here.
4 CPU's and 1 Very small GPU crunching Video card is a 9600GT 208 GFLOPS Peak,so not to hot.
RAC after 24 hrs is 215 so going up.
I have yet to set the max speed of the GEIL memory to 2133.
I cannot seem to find the relevent place to set it in the bios.
That is my next task and to OC the CPU a bit.

Dave


From what was said your 4 cards with 896mb of mem will use up about 3.5gb of the 4gb you have installed leaving you with around 500mb for the OS to use. Which should in fact work.

It took me about 30 min to figure out how to set the memory speed to 1600 on my i7. I had to select a profile option instead of just setting the memory speed.
5960) Message boards : Number crunching : Rig on the BENCH (Message 963267)
Posted 14 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
SNIP You also have to go to server versions if you want more then 2 processors. Currently their licesing does not limit the number of cores a processor can have.


SHHHH Don't give Bill any ideas.....


Actually they do this to compete in the server market against the likes of IBM & Sun. Who license per core. Also Bill Gates no longer works at MS. He's retired. Which I would do if I had $50 billion.
5961) Message boards : Number crunching : Rig on the BENCH (Message 963263)
Posted 14 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

While it's great that us geeks like to be technically accurate, what good does it do to state that something is theoretically possible as opposed to what is actually possible with what we have now? While I don't mind learning new things, without sticking to the actual problem for the sake of loving to correct people, you (generally, not specifically you) give off the impression to other people that it's possible and many of them will spend days looking for that solution. Instead of giving them false hope for the sake of being technically accurate, why not just give them the relevant information? [rhetorical question]


Because it's more than just theory -- there really is no reason that a 32 bit operating system needs to be limited to 4 gigs of memory. While some current 32-bit versions of Windows might be so limited, that doesn't mean that 32-bit versions of other operating systems are also limited in that way, and it doesn't mean that all versions of Windows are limited like that. Does Windows 7 32-bit have the same limitation? Linux? The whole point was that this is a Windows version-specific limitation, not a 32-bit limitation, so one should not assume that merely because an operating system is 32 bit that it can't support more than 4 gigs of ram. It might. For all you or I know, the next service packs for XP, Vista, and Windows 7 could easily include support for more than 4 gigs of ram.

It's certainly very useful information to know that 32-bit XP doesn't support more than 4 gig of ram. EXTREMELY useful to know that this includes the video ram! But it's also important to know that this doesn't by necessity apply to all 32-bit operating systems. I personally would be very interested to know which, if any, do support larger address spaces, if only to satisfy my curiosity.


2000 Pro, XP x86, Vista x86, & Win 7 only support 4GB. I would think for the "ultimate" editions they could have licensed it for 8GB at least, but that is MS for you. You also have to go to server versions if you want more then 2 processors. Currently their licesing does not limit the number of cores a processor can have.
5962) Message boards : Number crunching : What is a good Ratio CPU/GPU? (Message 963256)
Posted 14 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I used the "Only VLar+VHar to CPU" option when I was running a cuda card. This seems to disable the % slider. However, I had left it at 75%. In general I thought I had to many GPU tasks all the time.
5963) Message boards : Number crunching : Intel Atom processor (Message 963249)
Posted 14 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I'm using them for servers -- sixteen watts total (including a hard drive) and plenty of CPU power.

It's not just less electricity. Reduced load on the UPS means more run-time (measured in hours, it's a BIG UPS), and less heat is a good thing as well.

I'm likely going that route to replace a very old Via Eden C3 system. It's very nicely running Gentoo but it can sometimes be slightly too high on latency for some of the network traffic management. No surprise really! The final kill-off is that I want to add some USB2 devices to it whereas it's a very old USB1...

One or two Atom netbooks are certainly an idea but I need a PCI(e) slot to put in a NIC for a second ethernet port...

Any alternative ideas?

The new Via Nano looks really nice but it is also at a silly price for the task. Via C7 possible but also a little high on price. Any good Geode or ARM systems perhaps?...

Cheers,
Martin


I've been scoping out the Super Micro X7SPA-H as a replacement for our aging ISA Server. It has 2 1Gb lan ports & a PCIe x4(in a x16 slot). As I need at least 4 nics for our ISA Server I'd probably want to go with a quad 1Gb PCIe card. It seems to be brand new so I have been uble to find pricing on it yet.

Edit: Now we just need someone to get ones of these boards & stick a GTX 295 in it to have world highest RAC atom based machine. lol
5964) Message boards : Number crunching : Rig on the BENCH (Message 963248)
Posted 14 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Isn't ther a bit of jiggery pokery that cam be done in multi processor systems? Using the memory space of each processor or somethign along those lines.

In the old Pii based Compaq Proliant 7000 Server I've got at work the max memory supported in the documentation is 8GB. However it doesn't state if this is just in it's memory mirroring function.


That's due to the fact that the Pentium Pro and newer (including Pentium II, Pentium III, etc.) all have a 36bit address space, for a total of 64GB of addressable RAM, but this requires an OS that supports this. All consumer versions of Windows do not support 36bit addressing, but Windows 2000 Advanced Server and newer do (64bit Windows Servers depend on which version as to how much RAM they can address). Most Linux distros support 36bit addressing since Kernel 2.2.x I think.


Oh right the advent of PAE. I always forget aboot that since Miscorsoft made it mostly worthless by only supporting it on the higher end server versions.
5965) Message boards : Number crunching : Rig on the BENCH (Message 963207)
Posted 14 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Isn't ther a bit of jiggery pokery that cam be done in multi processor systems? Using the memory space of each processor or somethign along those lines.

In the old Pii based Compaq Proliant 7000 Server I've got at work the max memory supported in the documentation is 8GB. However it doesn't state if this is just in it's memory mirroring function.
5966) Message boards : Number crunching : Crunching / Gaming Computer Build 2010 (Message 963137)
Posted 14 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Apparently, I have very long completion times coming from the i7 CPU, how long should they be taking to complete then?


My i7-860 @ stock speeds looks to be doing 8 at once in 2 hr 50 min to 3 hr. There are about 30 it needs to report with those times. Then about 10 40 min ones
5967) Message boards : Number crunching : Rig on the BENCH (Message 963086)
Posted 13 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Yeah, I seem to do that alot. Even HAL9000 spent some money after watching my thread.

Isn't it always Lukes fault? :D

How can I post pics of the build here easily.
Bearing in mind that I am a Silver Surfer.
I have Photobucket.

Dave


I think photobucket allows you to display photos in other locations. You can use the img tag [ img ]http://something.com/picture1.jpg[/img] Except you would need to remove the spaces from [ img ].

If not you could put likes to them on photobuck with the url tag [ url=http://something.com/picture1.jpg]link name[/url]. Again removing the space I added to show the text.
5968) Message boards : Number crunching : Rig on the BENCH (Message 963050)
Posted 13 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
That's the idea.
Plus a 3.4GHz or more Quad CPU.
Will try to OC it first.
Cheap MSI MoBo with 4 slots.
Nothing to do on these dark cold snowy nights.
Dave


I have rum to take care of that :)
5969) Message boards : Number crunching : computation errors (Message 963049)
Posted 13 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Yeah, sorta. I do use an optimized app for SETI which is why my RAC is 3x higher than it used to be. I did see a SETI running on a CPU the other day, perhaps that was a VLAR.

So from what you are saying, there is another app that auto kills the VLARs and reschedules them for the CPU, correct?

Another thought just occurred to me. MS released some patches the other day. I installed them, but didn't immediately do a reboot. Perhaps those failed files are a result of that?


With Microsoft it could be. One of the automatic updates borked the antivirus on our labs pirmary DHCP server. I went though uninstalling each update until I found which one it was & I make sure to do manual updates from now on.
5970) Message boards : Number crunching : Rig on the BENCH (Message 963044)
Posted 13 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have 2 GTX295's in my i7 rig but because it is Vista 64bit only 3 GPU's.
I also have 2 GTX275's in my AMD rig also Vista.
Being Game for a Laugh I have bought an AMD Phenom IIx4 965 Black Edition 3.4GHz processor,to go on a cheap m/board with 4 PCI-Express slots.
Plus 4Gb of Geil DDR3 2133 memory.
When all the parts arrive hopefully later this week I am going to lash it together on the bench with the 4 nVidia cards to see how they perform.
XP of course.
Any ideas welcome.

Dave
EDIT All the parts arrived so will start with just the basics CPU Crunching.


So that should give you 6 GPU's to use right? Should be intresting to see what it makes of things.
5971) Message boards : Number crunching : OMG please fix the scheduler (Message 963042)
Posted 13 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Interesting, my machine was happily crunching CPU units due 2/10/2010 and a couple minutes ago it put them all on hold and starting a bunch of 2/20/2010 on high priority. I restarted boinc but it still wants the 2/20/2010 to finish first.

You could enable the logging flags if you wanted to see why BOINC felt the need to run those tasks in High Priority
<cpu_sched>
CPU scheduler actions (preemption and resumption).
<cpu_sched_debug>
Explain CPU scheduler decisions.
5972) Message boards : Number crunching : Intel Atom processor (Message 963041)
Posted 13 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Grabbed from Wikipedia

"Performance
The performance of a single core Atom is about half that of a Celeron of the same clock rate. For example, the Atom N270 found in many netbooks such as the Eee PC can deliver around 3300 MIPS and 2.1 GFLOPS in standard benchmarks, compared to 7400 MIPS and 3.9 GFLOPS for the similarly clocked (1.73 GHz) Pentium M 740."

So I guess a dual core Atom is = to a Celeron of the same clock speed, just a lot less power.

Just curious, why buy an Atom? Seems like a step backwards....I don't know the uses people have but am really curious and am not trying to be a Smart*ss.


Very low power requirments. In the case of a netbook. You can get incredibly long run times with smaller batteries then you could have in a notebook. Also for Nettops they are useful if you don't need a lot of computing power. Like a receptionists desk where the most demanding application may be solitaire.
5973) Message boards : Number crunching : CPU/ATI GPU hybrid AstroPulse for Windows released (Message 963038)
Posted 13 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
You buy a Nvidia card.

Atm there is no application for ATI CAL


Except for the hybrid app which is the purpose of this thread.

PwNz0R: The ATI Hybrid application is only for AstroPulse which has no work while the server issues are resolved.
5974) Message boards : Number crunching : computation errors (Message 962985)
Posted 13 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
All of a sudden I'm getting lots of computation errors associated with the CUDA files. They run for about 2 secs. and then BAM!, computation error. I've had a dozen or so in the last 24 hrs.

I have 2 GPU's in my system, although I don't know which one is at fault, if there is a fault. The EVGA Precision app says GPU temps are ~64-67 degrees centigrade. That seems to be in the range that others are experiencing. I'm not overclocking at all.

So why is this happening? Any ideas out there?


Have you already done the standard steps of restarting BOINC & your computer? I had a computer that just does CPU tasks go wonky & ate up it's whole cache doing computation errors. Nothing looked wrong on it, but after rebooting it was ok again.
5975) Message boards : Number crunching : Work Units (Message 962984)
Posted 13 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I don't think there is a way to see that information from your account screen. as Tasks > View doesn't display the computer ID. Boinc Manager does have the function to connect to a remote computer to access BOINC though. I'm not sure if that would work for what you'd want. Also there are programs like BoincView that let you view everything for all of your computers on a network in one location.
5976) Message boards : Number crunching : Unscheduled outage? (Message 962974)
Posted 13 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
. . . or did someone mistake the master power switch for the light switch on the way out last night?


Technical News
5977) Message boards : Number crunching : OMG please fix the scheduler (Message 962763)
Posted 11 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

What is available?

Where is it documented?

http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/User_manual

I forget about the evil wiki when I'm looking for a man page. Thanks for the reminder.


How to turn it on?

http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Client_configuration

Which ones do I need to turn on before the error I don't know what it is or when it will happen, do I need to turn on? I don't know the internals. If I'm a normal user I shouldn't have to know the internals either. Don't help to close the barn after the horses are gone.


Who to report it to?

http://lists.ssl.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/boinc_alpha

Thanks but no thanks. I get quite enough e-mail as is. I don't need to see everyone else's error reports about alpha software. I just want to send. Something like most places have, a/k/a bugreport@boinc.berkeley.edu


Just some simple human factor questions.




The options to enable depend on the problem that is occuring. For a "normal user" that isn't very techy. There are lots of people here willing to help if they truly want the help.

You could post issues in the 'Questions and problems' section of the BOINC Message board as well.
5978) Message boards : Number crunching : CUDA and ATI video Do not work together correctly (Message 962756)
Posted 11 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
This might be silly question, but do you have Milkyway@home web wetting to allow GPU work?
5979) Message boards : Number crunching : Preferences (Message 962752)
Posted 11 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thanks I have it on run always


Yep, that will override the time settings.
5980) Message boards : Number crunching : EVGA has created a Dual cpu LGA1366 motherboard (Message 962721)
Posted 11 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hi, was reading this thread and have some basic questions. This board does look interesting, esp. if it's going to be used as a multi GPU rig for BOINC or folding. I have been doing a little reading up on what's coming next, seems to be Intel's Octo cores (Beckton), and the LGA1567 socket. I've been building PC's since the days of the early 486's, and know all too well the inexorible grind of progress, but am trying to figure out when it's time to jump back on the merry go round. My current best board is an ASUS P6T6 WS Revolution, running a i720, but as I'm getting sucked into SETI more and more, I could just imagine what all those cores, and it loaded up with high end GPUs could do...

Any idea as to when the LGA1567/Beckton will be released? I know intel has a roadmap, I found one that supposedly shows the one for 2010-2011, http://pc.watch.impress.co.jp/img/pcw/docs/302/074/html/kaigai1.jpg.html but didn't see Beckton on it. And then there is the cost, anyone willing to do a SWAG on it? This seems to be the bomb diggity, but then, one can always wait for the next big thing that is going to be even better, for about the same $ or possibly even less...

It's always tough to throw your chips on the table when you know that is going to happen, but then if you follow that logic all the way to it's conclusion, you'd never buy a new one. Based upon what I've read, it seems that it will be quite a leap in performance, but is it worth the wait? This board seems to have all the candy, and it appears that others like it are going to be released soon as well. Anyone have an opinion on this?

You might just need a PSU like this one to really get that thing humming. :)


Took a look at this PS, and was wondering the input voltage? Most PS's are limited to less than 1500w, issues with a std 15 amp outlet, and I believe 1800 or so is it for 20 amp. I didn't see a mention that it required 220v, which would be easily do-able at 2000w, wouldn't strain a 15 amp outlet at that voltage. Hmmm

Since this thread is about LGA1366, I won't comment on 1567 as I don't know anything about It.

I'll pass on External psus.

As to 220v here in the USA, It's two paired 110v+110v power lines(paired with a Ground and a Neutral wire, Local Building Code dependent I'd think, As some allow just a Ground as the Neutral wire may be optional in some areas) and not true 220v(at least in Residential areas), So I believe the limit here is 20A service or 2000w max, Making a bigger psu for US 220v might be possible, But not something most psu makers would even touch, As then You'd need a whole new circuit, While for a 20A 110v AC circuit You'd need the the right type of 20A breaker to match Yer box, 12G cable and 20A 110v AC outlets, Some newer places already use 12G cable already, Older places might and most likely do have 14G(smaller Gauge) cables still and they can only go to 15A safely.


Most 120v outlets are designed for a max of 15A. Some of the duplex outlets can be configured so each outlet is run from a separate circuit. That PSU is designed with 2 power cable inputs. I've not bothered to look at the manual for it, but it may have different configurations based on your needs. Also there are 20 & 30A 120v outlets you can have installed.

But if I needed that kind of power level I'd just get a 240v line installed.

Funny, I've been around since before 1990 when the 20A spec for circuits here were made part of the national electrical code, And I've looked for 30A 120v outlets and breakers and asked numerous electricians and found nothing, 30A must be twist lock then and that's usually something found in construction, If that's what Yer talking about. Most times I've asked for 120v 30A circuits I've gotten the "sorry doesn't exist" or "It's not for residential use" lines.

If someone wants a 30A 120 volt recepticle in their house I don't tell them it is only for commercial, I just install a 30 amp RV recepticle and change the cordcap to match. 30 amp single pole breakers aren't hard to find at a supply house.


Yeah it is ment for RV use, but I've seen it used in lots of places. It's called a NEMA_TT-30. Also in the single phase breaker selction Square D makes up to 70A models.
With the way power requirments of machines are going I could see major wiring upgraded needed for some machines. Using 4 GTX295's in this board, with their max power rating of 289w, is nearly 1200w just for the video cards.
5981) Message boards : Number crunching : Preferences (Message 962698)
Posted 11 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Did use local preferences and the AV still ran I put in Sunday 00:00-19:59 and BOINC still ran on my 6.36 version


These settings are when BOINC is allowed to run tasks. Not when BOINC itself can run. Did you open BOINC to see if the tasks were in "Suspended - time of day" status by chance?
5982) Message boards : Number crunching : Server App Prioritization (Message 962697)
Posted 11 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
How can I configure boinc to stop running when other server app kicks in and restart when finished? The server is responding to user requests for file processing which are NOT scheduled.

I would like to not compromise boinc performance by reducing cpu time or % of processors when the other apps are idle.

Thanks.

stephen


Normaly anything you run should take priority over the running tasks. As they tend to run in the lowest priority. If your software also runs at this priority level then I'd see where it'd be a problem.

However, I think the only way to do this right now is with the <exclusive_app> option. So if foobar.exe runs for this file processing then it would suspend computation until that program was no longer running.
5983) Message boards : Number crunching : Crunching / Gaming Computer Build 2010 (Message 962683)
Posted 11 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Tachyon has just passed 3000 RAC.
Just an update on the build status, it is not entirely finished yet, I haven't configured the fan controller, I haven't added the bottom fan, and I haven't added the red cathode.

Once those are all in, I can start producing my video. Fingers crossed.

I might as well mention this is well. I have a BSOD this morning, after about one and a half weeks of stability. So I raised the vcore a notch. That really surprised me.


How is the noise level for the fans so far? My i7-860, with the stock cooling solution, seems to make a hell of a racket with the CPU fan running full tilt. Not exactly the best thing for a HTPC to do. Finding the right heatsink/fan combo is always fun with measuring the case & area around the CPU to see what will fit.
5984) Message boards : Number crunching : EVGA has created a Dual cpu LGA1366 motherboard (Message 962682)
Posted 11 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hi, was reading this thread and have some basic questions. This board does look interesting, esp. if it's going to be used as a multi GPU rig for BOINC or folding. I have been doing a little reading up on what's coming next, seems to be Intel's Octo cores (Beckton), and the LGA1567 socket. I've been building PC's since the days of the early 486's, and know all too well the inexorible grind of progress, but am trying to figure out when it's time to jump back on the merry go round. My current best board is an ASUS P6T6 WS Revolution, running a i720, but as I'm getting sucked into SETI more and more, I could just imagine what all those cores, and it loaded up with high end GPUs could do...

Any idea as to when the LGA1567/Beckton will be released? I know intel has a roadmap, I found one that supposedly shows the one for 2010-2011, http://pc.watch.impress.co.jp/img/pcw/docs/302/074/html/kaigai1.jpg.html but didn't see Beckton on it. And then there is the cost, anyone willing to do a SWAG on it? This seems to be the bomb diggity, but then, one can always wait for the next big thing that is going to be even better, for about the same $ or possibly even less...

It's always tough to throw your chips on the table when you know that is going to happen, but then if you follow that logic all the way to it's conclusion, you'd never buy a new one. Based upon what I've read, it seems that it will be quite a leap in performance, but is it worth the wait? This board seems to have all the candy, and it appears that others like it are going to be released soon as well. Anyone have an opinion on this?

You might just need a PSU like this one to really get that thing humming. :)


Took a look at this PS, and was wondering the input voltage? Most PS's are limited to less than 1500w, issues with a std 15 amp outlet, and I believe 1800 or so is it for 20 amp. I didn't see a mention that it required 220v, which would be easily do-able at 2000w, wouldn't strain a 15 amp outlet at that voltage. Hmmm

Since this thread is about LGA1366, I won't comment on 1567 as I don't know anything about It.

I'll pass on External psus.

As to 220v here in the USA, It's two paired 110v+110v power lines(paired with a Ground and a Neutral wire, Local Building Code dependent I'd think, As some allow just a Ground as the Neutral wire may be optional in some areas) and not true 220v(at least in Residential areas), So I believe the limit here is 20A service or 2000w max, Making a bigger psu for US 220v might be possible, But not something most psu makers would even touch, As then You'd need a whole new circuit, While for a 20A 110v AC circuit You'd need the the right type of 20A breaker to match Yer box, 12G cable and 20A 110v AC outlets, Some newer places already use 12G cable already, Older places might and most likely do have 14G(smaller Gauge) cables still and they can only go to 15A safely.


Most 120v outlets are designed for a max of 15A. Some of the duplex outlets can be configured so each outlet is run from a separate circuit. That PSU is designed with 2 power cable inputs. I've not bothered to look at the manual for it, but it may have different configurations based on your needs. Also there are 20 & 30A 120v outlets you can have installed.

But if I needed that kind of power level I'd just get a 240v line installed.
5985) Message boards : Number crunching : CUDA Cards (Message 962559)
Posted 10 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Yeah been looking at the GTS 250 looks like a good card!

I can get it for £91 :-) looks like ill be getting that then!

Or should I get 2 GT 240's for the same price which will crunch more WU's one 250 or 2 240's??


D

My choice would be the 250 & then get another 250 later when they become dirt cheap. That relies on being able to find another on later on. Which might be hard to do if everyone buys up the older cards when they get cheaper.
5986) Message boards : Number crunching : CUDA Cards (Message 962548)
Posted 10 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hi Everybody,

I have around £80 - £100 to spend on a good card for doing CUDA work units. I would prefer a NVidia chipset.

Anybody got any good suggestons?

Dan


You are in luck since CUDA only works in NVIDIA cards. :D
Checking amazon.co.uk I see several GTX 250 cards in that price range. I don't know if you like an vendors better then others. I like to find a part I want, and then I will try to find it for the best price I can.
5987) Message boards : Number crunching : Task ID : 1474681620 (Message 962529)
Posted 10 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/result.php?resultid=1474681620

Hey All,

Just found this :

<snip>

Spike count: 13
Pulse count: 4
Triplet count: 0
Gaussian count: 2
called boinc_finish


</stderr_txt>
]]>


Yeah that looks pretty normal.
5988) Message boards : Number crunching : Preferences (Message 962528)
Posted 10 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have my AV set to run weekly, but I have it set to stay out of the BOINC data folder as they sometimes think those files are viruses.


Maybe those are alien virus sent to bring our human networks down. :)
5989) Message boards : Number crunching : OMG please fix the scheduler (Message 962526)
Posted 10 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Well going thru another download heaven and realized I can't upgrade my work machines and continue seti on them. When it goes thru these kinds of downloads and almost stops everything it would kill my network and make my POS's unusable. Everyone would say set connect to .01 or something but every tuesday and after every outage it would kill my machines. I guess if one of the Seti people ever decide to get a machine for testing(as I know their machines work well enough) so they can see the problem it will get fixed if not then it may be awhile.

You don't have to run the same cache on all machines. Obviously you're still in love with your i7/twin GPU: you want continuous SETI crunching to keep it on the front stats page, and you're prepared to take it to bed with you and keep on micromanaging it. So keep the cache turned up to 11, and be prepared to deal with the consequences.

For the other work machines, none of that applies. Set them on a 'work' venue, and turn the cache down - to something reasonable, doesn't have to be all the way down to 0.01: for a single project host, 2 days is usually suggested. If they run dry during an unplanned, extended outage, so what? What have you lost? A lot less than if you take them off SETI completely.

PS if it's just the network usage you're worried about, you can restrict BOINC only to use the network during non-critical time ranges.

My cache has been set to 5 for a couple weeks since Papa advised it.....Haven't touched any Boinc settings but the set to connect would probably work. Thanks.


There are also max bandwidth settings that you can set. If you think that several machines at ones would be to much your your network. Perhaps a cap of 15-20kb for them. The slower transfer speed would keep them from saturating the network bandwidth & keep the connections/second down as well. The max upload/download setting are per venue. So you could set them from the web page & not effect your primary machine.
5990) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Hope everything OK after Earthquake (Message 962495)
Posted 10 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hope everything is fine, worried me when I woke up and couldn't get to this or any seti site. Downloads are going, but couldn't get here. Everything is slow....

Earthquake Map

Friend of mine that lives in Modesto, CA was telling me about the quakes they had Friday. They have not been online since then either. Figured they something had knocked out their internet, but looks like things are still active in the area. That map you linked to shows around a 4 north of the San Fran area in the last hour.

Hopefully all of those emergency services are running as expected & getting everyone taken care of.
5991) Message boards : Number crunching : EVGA has created a Dual cpu LGA1366 motherboard (Message 962444)
Posted 10 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
You might just need a PSU like this one to really get that thing humming. :)
5992) Message boards : Number crunching : Anyone crunching on a PS3? (Message 962345)
Posted 9 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I would guess that the apps made for the PS3 would also run on the Xbox 360 since it's fundamentally the same processor.


That's incorrect. The PS3 uses IBM's CELL processor while the XBox 360 uses IBM's Xenon which uses the POWER instruction set. Two completely different architectures.

However, I am curious if anyone ever did try, or if anyone with an older non-patched unit wants to give it a go. Would be interesting data.


With all the initial release hardware suffering from Red Ring of Death caused by overheating, as far as I know most people have avoided running anything that would increase the heat output of the processor. Newer units are supposed to address the heating issue, but I have not heard of any attempts to run an OS on the platform. I would think it needs to be supported by the system's BIOS to actually multi-boot between the built-in OS and an alternate OS, such as the way the older PS3s are made, and the XBox 360 has no documented features for such uses.


I had read
"Xenon is a CPU that is used in the Xbox 360 game console. The processor, internally codenamed "Waternoose" by IBM and "XCPU" by Microsoft, is based on IBM's PowerPC instruction set architecture, consisting of three independent processor cores on a single die. These cores are slightly modified versions of the PPE in the Cell processor which was designed specifically for the PlayStation 3."

So I figured that when they would be somewhat related. But it might be like comparing intel's itanium to their standard x86 chips.
5993) Message boards : Number crunching : Anyone crunching on a PS3? (Message 962213)
Posted 9 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Has anyone considered crunching with an xbox 360? Would it even be worth it?

I bought one for my son this Christmas and it's crossed my mind a couple times..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_360

It uses a 3 core six thread Xenon processor:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenon_%28processor%29

And a 240 GFLOPS Xenos graphics chip:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenos_%28graphics_chip%29

And it has a 60GB hard drive.


Last I heard MS sent out an update that prevented unauthorized apps & OS's. As you recently got yours it may already have the update. http://www.free60.org seem to be the gurus tho.


It did s system update within minutes after connecting to the internet. I wouldn't have considered crunching on it unless there was no chance of messing it up. Or degrading his game performance in any way.

I was just curios if it was possible and if someone developed SETI apps for it.


I would guess that the apps made for the PS3 would also run on the Xbox 360 since it's fundamentally the same processor. I don't think there is ever a non zero chance of something bad happening when you ask hardware to do something it wasn't meant to do. However, I am curious if anyone ever did try, or if anyone with an older non-patched unit wants to give it a go. Would be interesting data.
5994) Message boards : Number crunching : Anyone crunching on a PS3? (Message 962207)
Posted 9 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Has anyone considered crunching with an xbox 360? Would it even be worth it?

I bought one for my son this Christmas and it's crossed my mind a couple times..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_360

It uses a 3 core six thread Xenon processor:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenon_%28processor%29

And a 240 GFLOPS Xenos graphics chip:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenos_%28graphics_chip%29

And it has a 60GB hard drive.


Last I heard MS sent out an update that prevented unauthorized apps & OS's. As you recently got yours it may already have the update. http://www.free60.org seem to be the gurus tho.
5995) Message boards : Number crunching : OMG please fix the scheduler (Message 962204)
Posted 9 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

What is available?

Where is it documented?

http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/User_manual


How to turn it on?

http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Client_configuration


Who to report it to?

http://lists.ssl.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/boinc_alpha


Just some simple human factor questions.


There are the links to the BOINC resources you were asking about. Seti@home is a project that runs within BOINC. So an issue with BOINC is not necessarily an issue with any projects you might be running.
5996) Message boards : Number crunching : OMG please fix the scheduler (Message 962184)
Posted 9 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
You could set connect every to .01 instead of 0. Then you would only try to connect every 15 min instead of every few seconds.
5997) Message boards : Number crunching : EVGA has created a Dual cpu LGA1366 motherboard (Message 962172)
Posted 9 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Some more details, specs, & pics in a hands on.
http://www.techreaction.net/2010/01/07/exclusive-new-evga-classified-dual-proc-board-270-gt-w555

270-gt-w555 is an odd MB name...

Different cpus and speeds(One can mix and match as wanted or not It seems), I'm impressed and all for maybe $450 to $550. :D


It would be really cool if it was using a watchdog processor of some kind. So if in your overclocking one of the CPU's went OTL it could restart those resources. That kind of hardware normally cost's $1000's instead of $100's.

Yeah well this is not a Workstation or Server motherboard and uses ordinary DDR3 Intel X58 Dimms as Its for overclockers and enthusiasts with the money to spend on this motherboard, So It ain't gonna happen.

If they have done what I'm thinking they might have. Then there is a chance that dual i7's could be used. In a dual Xeon system 1 QPI connects to the chipset & the other QPI connects to the other CPU. EVGA might have found a sneaky way of running dual CPU's with having to connect the two CPU's together with a QPI. Much like running dual cellerons wasn't suppose to work back in the slot1/socket370 days. The group that I'm a member of is actually dedicated to the BP6/VP6 motherboards.
5998) Message boards : Number crunching : EVGA has created a Dual cpu LGA1366 motherboard (Message 962159)
Posted 9 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Some more details, specs, & pics in a hands on.
http://www.techreaction.net/2010/01/07/exclusive-new-evga-classified-dual-proc-board-270-gt-w555

270-gt-w555 is an odd MB name...

Different cpus and speeds(One can mix and match as wanted or not It seems), I'm impressed and all for maybe $450 to $550. :D


It would be really cool if it was using a watchdog processor of some kind. So if in your overclocking one of the CPU's went OTL it could restart those resources. That kind of hardware normally cost's $1000's instead of $100's.
5999) Message boards : Number crunching : EVGA has created a Dual cpu LGA1366 motherboard (Message 962155)
Posted 9 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Some more details, specs, & pics in a hands on.
http://www.techreaction.net/2010/01/07/exclusive-new-evga-classified-dual-proc-board-270-gt-w555

270-gt-w555 is an odd MB name...
6000) Message boards : Number crunching : Crunching / Gaming Computer Build 2010 (Message 962152)
Posted 9 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
If NT4.0 still worked on the internet I would be running it still.


NT 4.0 with IE 6 works fine. I probably only use that once a month or so anymore. For some reason we keep supporting OS's even though the vendor has dropped support years ago. Sort of like OS2....*looks for a wall to bang head on*
6001) Message boards : Number crunching : Crunching / Gaming Computer Build 2010 (Message 962146)
Posted 9 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
If the users ever realized what has happened, and demanded that XP support continued, I wonder what millions of requests to Billy G. would do???


Absolutely nothing. XP served it's purpose and did well. Vista is architecturally more solid and advanced than XP ever was, and Win7 builds upon that foundation. I think with the sales figures so far, Win7 is showing people that it's time to upgrade. I don't think nearly as many people will be hanging onto XP anymore, despite some naysayers and their dreaming.

Windows 98 Gold crashed at demo. Windows 98 Second Edition was very solid, but still crashed at times. NT 4.0 was simply NT 3.51 with Windows 95's interface slapped on top of it. It was solid, but didn't support anything, including decent Plug and Play. I found that Windows 2000 was more flexible and just as solid as NT 4.0 was.

I don't know why anyone would just Win7 against Vista/against those who hated Vista. Vista is a great OS and is built like a brick house. I've never seen anything crash Vista or Win7 other than heat or power related problems (which is not the OS's fault).

BTW - Typing this on my Pentium II 333MHz Windows 98SE machine. :)


I think Vista may fill the same place that Windows ME did. Something to get out the door while they work on the actual next version. I don't like some of the GUI features of windows 7 that I can't turn off, but at it's core it is build well. Even for Microsoft! I would just like a version not designed with the design staff of playskool.


That would be Windows Server 2008 R2.
As for Vista, never had a single problem with it. People just give it a bad name because others do.


I don't care for 2008 R2 either. It's easy enough to set the option for Vista & 7 to have a more simplistic gui like the server OS's
6002) Message boards : Number crunching : For those with Win7 or Vista 32bit, Have Fun (Message 962144)
Posted 9 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Ok, back to normal. Anybody know why this didn't work for me?


When you say middle version of Windows 7 is that Home Premium? If you still can't get it going. I can try loading the same version that you have on one of my machines & give it a go.

I've always found typing iddqd put me in god mode, but I hear that doesn't work anymore.

EDIT: Make sure you are putting the whole name in with GodMode. before the bracket. not just the string in the brackets. Reading over their artical they don't make that clear perhaps.
6003) Message boards : Number crunching : Crunching / Gaming Computer Build 2010 (Message 962137)
Posted 9 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
If the users ever realized what has happened, and demanded that XP support continued, I wonder what millions of requests to Billy G. would do???


Absolutely nothing. XP served it's purpose and did well. Vista is architecturally more solid and advanced than XP ever was, and Win7 builds upon that foundation. I think with the sales figures so far, Win7 is showing people that it's time to upgrade. I don't think nearly as many people will be hanging onto XP anymore, despite some naysayers and their dreaming.

Windows 98 Gold crashed at demo. Windows 98 Second Edition was very solid, but still crashed at times. NT 4.0 was simply NT 3.51 with Windows 95's interface slapped on top of it. It was solid, but didn't support anything, including decent Plug and Play. I found that Windows 2000 was more flexible and just as solid as NT 4.0 was.

I don't know why anyone would just Win7 against Vista/against those who hated Vista. Vista is a great OS and is built like a brick house. I've never seen anything crash Vista or Win7 other than heat or power related problems (which is not the OS's fault).

BTW - Typing this on my Pentium II 333MHz Windows 98SE machine. :)


I think Vista may fill the same place that Windows ME did. Something to get out the door while they work on the actual next version. I don't like some of the GUI features of windows 7 that I can't turn off, but at it's core it is build well. Even for Microsoft! I would just like a version not designed with the design staff of playskool.
6004) Message boards : Number crunching : Now that the dust has settled... (Message 962055)
Posted 8 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I'd think the drop over the last would be more from people off for the holidays. Lots of people that may run computer labs at school would get shut off & such.
6005) Message boards : Number crunching : How hot do you let your i7 get? (Message 962054)
Posted 8 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I find all the temps very interesting and I am sure it has helped some that may have been concerned. Seems the i7's can run a bit hotter than most other chips and many hit 70C without any problems. And it seems the most popular speed for i7 920's is 3.8 which is incredibly easy to hit with this chip. I think Intel got it right this time out for all us cheapsters to have a fun chip to play with. I wonder if their faster chips clock as well?
For someone thinking of building a new machine this is the chip to get for bang for the buck. And for my overclock I just did a google search for "P6t SE Overclock" and even found pictures of my bios with all the settings, don't even have to know how to overclock.


When comparing your temps to intel specs you want to compare the chip, not core, temps. They rate the whole chip to a specific temp. So even if you are only using 1 core the whole chip is going to get so warm. I am sure the cores have a documented limit, but I haven't been able to find that kind of info yet.
6006) Message boards : Number crunching : Crunching / Gaming Computer Build 2010 (Message 962051)
Posted 8 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
@Luke,
Whenever I have recently run into problems changing nVidia driver versions, I have had 100% success using ccleaner to remove all traces of the old version before attempting to load the desired version. The steps I use are:
1: Download (Save) the desired nVidia drivers.
2: Uninstall the nVidia drivers via the Control Panel.
3: Reboot into "Safe Mode"
4: Run the ccleaner and remove all traces of nVidia drivers
5: Reboot - cancelling out of Windoze automatic "Intalling Drivers"
6: Run the downloaded installer.

Works every time for me. YMMV. Good luck.

F.

You would be well advised to stop BOINC, and disable any auto-run at startup before embarking on this procedure.

Well spotted, Richard.
Stopping Boinc I took as read - but you are correct, it should have been included as Step 1. Auto-run on my Vista set-up requires manual confirmation (UAC) so I just cancel at the dialogue box. But, again, I should have remembered it.

F.


Thanks Fred & Richard...
It's step 5 I'd probably have trouble with. Before I can even cancel the operation it has completed itself. Well, it seemed that quick when it did that yesterday.

- Luke.


It might also be going to the internet to download a driver from microsoft. You can disable that in System Properties > Hardware tab > Windows Update Driver Setting.
6007) Message boards : Number crunching : For those with Win7 or Vista 32bit, Have Fun (Message 961884)
Posted 8 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
This has sprung up all over the blogosphere.
And just a minute ago, I stumbled onto a cnet article stating that there are 15 more "godmodes" available.

Personally, I've had it on my taskbar for about a week now. It can be useful.

Geez, all of my rigs have been running in 'godmode' forever........

LOL......really. Or maybe it's just 'Super Jesus' mode...........

As in........'Jesus, how are you running that fast??????'


That's what I've just been saying about my new HTPC.... and it's running at stock speed atm.

I seem to recall some of these things back in the win9x days. I think I had seen some on an easter egg site or something. Good to see MS is still putting in the back doors tho lol. Thanks for the tip Pappa.
6008) Message boards : Number crunching : Crunching / Gaming Computer Build 2010 (Message 961882)
Posted 8 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

I will have to check this out at some time in the future......

I at some times wanted to isolate a nvida dll or driver or such.

Just never knew how to do it without running the auto install full package BS.


Well that's how my mind works. "How do I get rid of all this stuff I don't need"

This also make it really handy since at work we ghost machines so they have many OS's on them. So checking to see if out software has an issue with a specific video driver is much faster this way. Running an installer may only take a few minutes. When you multiply that few minutes by 3 or 4 drivers for each OS & you are doing 12 OS's it adds up really quick.
6009) Message boards : Number crunching : Crunching / Gaming Computer Build 2010 (Message 961875)
Posted 8 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The problem with those installer is that they are installers & as was pointed out may not know what a new OS is.

In my opinion I rather just have a driver & let me install it myself. If you want the nvidia driver & don't want to deal with installer issues I'll outline a bit of a workaround.

Run the driver install package & let it extract the contents. Leave the installer open without selecting anything & open explorer. Now go to the path where the driver was extracted. This is C:\Nvidia for the default nvidia package. From there you can copy the driver & put it in a safe place. Now you can close/cancel the installer without having to deal with "this is not for your OS" kind of messages again.

Open Device Manager, select your video card, & choose Properties. Select the driver tab. Then use the "rollback driver" option. Then you really want to reboot so it finishes getting the old driver crap out. Once you reboot go back into Device Manager an use the "update driver software" option. Pointing it at the folder where you saved your driver.

At my work I keep a repository of drivers on a server so I don't have to deal with installer issues. It also keep down on the amount of other software the video card makers like to install that I don't want.
6010) Message boards : Number crunching : **CLOSED SETI/BOINC Milestones [ v2.0 ] - XIX CLOSED** (Message 961833)
Posted 8 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Just looked over my stats after getting my new HTPC going. Seems as tho I just rolled past 3,000,000 S@H cobbles recently.

Only 9 billion more googolplex credits till I get my free toaster! ;)
6011) Message boards : Number crunching : New problem. "BROWSER" variable? (Message 961806)
Posted 8 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Yep. That's it to a T.

I didn't get the browser error message. :/
Since I just got my hardware today everything is a clean install. So it could have ones of many things for that message to come up for you.
6012) Message boards : Number crunching : HTPC & SBS Server with Boinc/Seti (Message 961804)
Posted 8 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
With my E8400 & ATI 4870 Iron man runs about 30% on the cpu & I saw a peak of 12% on the GPU activity meter.

With my I7-860 & ATI 5750 Iron man runs about 10% on the cpu & I saw a peak of 8% on the GPU activity meter.
EDIT: I just noticed that the video card is displaying the running values of GPU:157MHz & Mem:300MHz. So the 5000 series doesn't seem to have any problem ripping though some HD.
6013) Message boards : Number crunching : How hot do you let your i7 get? (Message 961800)
Posted 8 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
i7-860, Chip temp ~62C, core temps 67-71C
6014) Message boards : Number crunching : Crunching / Gaming Computer Build 2010 (Message 961798)
Posted 8 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Now I'm really getting into the crunching...
Tachyon's RAC is now at: 1,117.


My C2D E8400 runs about 2500 for it's RAC. You are only starting to ram up! heh
6015) Message boards : Number crunching : cha---ching! (Message 961758)
Posted 8 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
80 gb ata hd...$12.


i need to stay away for a few days...


bugger... I gave away some old 250GB drivers cause I figured they were not worth that much....
6016) Message boards : Number crunching : HTPC & SBS Server with Boinc/Seti (Message 961538)
Posted 7 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
So then it's safe to assume, as I stated, that my GMA 4500 is just underpowered. Meh, it's OK. My work-around is good until I can afford a better solution.

I had hopped the 3850 I got for my old P4 would give it enough grunt to do HD, but it just doesn't offload enough & the cpu still gets maxed out. If I had known they were going to release the 4000 series in AGP I would have got one of those instead & then I might have been all set.
6017) Message boards : Number crunching : EVGA has created a Dual cpu LGA1366 motherboard (Message 961529)
Posted 7 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The big thrill is the hope that we can use Non-ECC DDR3 ram in this board.

ECC is not needed in the enthusiast role which will allow us to get more bang for the buck at checkout!


If they are using the 5520 chipset it doesn't require ECC, but then you are limited to something like 12 or 24GB of ram. The board makers always have that option to require ECC though. :(
6018) Message boards : Number crunching : Cherry-picking + Mass VLARkill usage. (Message 961507)
Posted 7 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
With regard to the disadvantages of VLARkill I'd like to return to the following statement from Sutaru's thread:
HAL9000 wrote:
If the task was went to several hosts that VLARkill'd it then the work never got done. As after a certain number of errors a task is no longer sent out. Who knows if that one contained a signal they were looking for.
Currently SETI is set to
max # of error/total/success tasks	5, 10, 5
(and there is no one doing that rejecting of work units by hand, Sutaru)

So, there is a non-zero probability (albeit very small) that a result is not computed - and that could contain the signal!

Gruß,
Gundolf

I also noted in that thread that the VLARkill app seems to be working the same as the stock app. However I am unsure if the result I was using as reference was autokilled.
6019) Message boards : Number crunching : Anyone crunching on a PS3? (Message 961505)
Posted 7 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Just wondering, as I picked one up as retail therapy so I can tinker around with it (I love hardware :()

First thing I'll be doing once it arrives is format, new OS, then look at SETI crunching..

Sooo... I'm guessing it's going to run slow as hell due to not being able to utilise the SPEs (damn you Sony :(), but is it even worth running at all? I do seem to recall seeing the stats for a PS3 somewhere on here, but a quick forum search isn't turning up much :(

Any ideas? Oh, and before anyone points it out, it's a 60gb - so original model, backwards compatible, alternate-OS-installable etc ^_^

Cheers!


It will run seti about as fast as a Pentium ii.
6020) Message boards : Number crunching : Hardware noob (Message 961501)
Posted 7 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
well, i'll try to switch the cards, maybe that'll help. who knows... maybe tomorrow, maybe next week... thx so far!


Is there any indication the aux PSU that it is turning on?


checked again all cables (just to be sure), but yes, it's up and running (hear and see it)


I think the next thing I would try would be the 2nd card as the primary card alone. Maybe it is just not working right.
6021) Message boards : Number crunching : RAC inaccurate with ReScheduler ? (Message 961500)
Posted 7 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

BUT....I check the rescheduler tool and run it when necessary to shift any vlar work from the GPU to the CPU. I do this once or twice a day, so I suspect you will find very few if any vlarkilled WUs from my Cuda rigs.


When I had a cuda card to use I ram rescheduler & just set it to auto check every 2 hours. At that time the 8500 was doing 30 min per task.
6022) Message boards : Number crunching : HTPC & SBS Server with Boinc/Seti (Message 961466)
Posted 7 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Watched a dvd(via home server) earlier with seti running.....didn't notice any hiccups.


Plain DVDs don't give my Core 2 a problem either, just the Blu-Ray stuff.

Which C2D processor is that? My system with the E8400 is OK with blu-ray things with seti running.


Core 2 Duo E8500, 4GB of RAM, Vista Ultimate x64, Intel GMA 4500 graphics, Power DVD 8.x with all updates. Every time I launch any hi-def content, either a Blu-Ray or an H.264 encoded video file, I get massive stuttering in playback until I suspend BOINC, then the problem goes away.

I am also running at full 1920x1080 screen resolution on my 55" LCD TV so as to get the full Blu-Ray experience. Lower resolutions won't have processing problems since there are less pixels to push on the screen, but then you miss out on the hi-def content as it was meant to be seen. I know the Intel GMA 4500 graphics is pushing it's limits at this resolution, even though the GMA 4500 supports Blu-Ray decoding in the chipset so as to offload some of the processing from the CPU, I think it's just underpowered. I'm hoping that once the ATi Radeon HD 53xx series is released, these stuttering problems will go away as soon as I put one in.


With my E8400 & ATI 4870 Iron man runs about 30% on the cpu & I saw a peak of 12% on the GPU activity meter.
6023) Message boards : Number crunching : RAC inaccurate with ReScheduler ? (Message 961461)
Posted 7 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

I see, you don't understand me.

You can't calculate 1 + 1 = 2 WUs. And 6 + 1 = 7 WUs?
We are here to calculate WUs. Why not so fast as possible?

Luke, please if you would like to post your meaning about VLARkill mod usage or not, open a new thread about (this is not the subject here).


____________
[Optimized project applications, for to increase your PC performance (double RAC)!][Overview of abbreviations, which are used often in forum and their meaning.]


You are questioning if "VLARkill mod" & "no VLARkill mod + ReScheduler" = same RAC?
6024) Message boards : Number crunching : RAC inaccurate with ReScheduler ? (Message 961459)
Posted 7 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Not 100% sure on this but, do the "killed" units count when working out the RAC ? i.e.they count in the number of returned units but with "zero" score.

Taking the simple average as [(1+2+3+n)/n], A computer running VLAR Kill would have a lower RAC than a computer running ReSchedule because of the high number of zero scores.

Does anyone more knowledgeable have a comment ?

Brodo


I looked over a few of my results & found these two.

Stock app.
wuid 551357574
Anonymous platform autokill enabled
wuid 551569374

Looks like the behavior is the same. Making autokill irrelevant.

However, back to Sutaru Tsureku's topic.
Credit seems to be more based on how much processing there is in a given task. It doesn't really matter what hardware processed the task. With rescheduler you are just making sure all of your processors are running tasks. Which may increase the machines RAC.

I see your machine 4789793 with 4 CPU & 4 GPU processors. Looking at the data on the web page. That is everything I know about your machine. It doesn't tell me if you run that machine 24/7, 1 hour a week, if your run 1 task at a time or 8.

I think you have said before you only run GPU. So I would expect another machine with the same hardware that runs GPU & CPU 24/7 to be a bit higher maybe.

I saw maybe because there is still much unknown about running GPU & CPU tasks at the same time. Unless someone is willing to run the same tasks over and over in different configurations & share the data. Then we may not ever know.

It could be that running 4 GTX 260's makes a lower RAC then 3 GTX 260's in the same motherboard.
6025) Message boards : Number crunching : RAC inaccurate with ReScheduler ? (Message 961448)
Posted 7 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

Ahh.. BTW..

Not only VLARs to CPU (and the other stay there for what they're DLed), I can set the ReScheduler to send only VLARs to CPU.
This would mean, all the nomal & VHAR WUs of CPU will be send to the GPU.



That makes sense, then you have all work being downloaded being sent to the "resource" that can handle it most effeciently. Keeping the CPU(s) and the GPU(s) working to the best of their ability. That would provide the most stable Maximum RAC.

Then by setting a moderate Cache you get the best turnaround time.

Regards


I think if BOINC clients would talk to each other over a local network. Then be able to move tasks around to the computers that can process them most effectively that would be good as well.
6026) Message boards : Number crunching : RAC inaccurate with ReScheduler ? (Message 961440)
Posted 7 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

I renamed the title of this thread from:

RAC 'cheating' with ReScheduler ?

to:

RAC inaccurate with ReScheduler ?


____________
[Optimized project applications, for to increase your PC performance (double RAC)!][Overview of abbreviations, which are used often in forum and their meaning.]


I don't think RAC gets effected to much. It's knows the CUDA overclaims credit, but that seems to get corrected. I don't know if it gets correct if two cuda do the same task.
6027) Message boards : Number crunching : RAC inaccurate with ReScheduler ? (Message 961438)
Posted 7 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I could see VLARkill mode as cheating as it does "cherry pick". It is really like looking at the tasks and aborting ones that have a high estimated completion time.


Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't VLARkill kill jobs that run inefficiently on the GPU app, but not under the stock app? If that's correct, then VLARkill is making more efficient use of the available GPU resources, which increases the amount of science done for SETI overall, not just on that one computer.

Isn't that a good thing?

If, on the other hand, these low AR tasks also exhibit the same level of slowdown with the stock CPU app, then yeah, it doesn't make sense.


So the work doesn't get done when it was assigned. Making for more work on the projects back end. Which could actually cause problems. If the task was went to several hosts that VLARkill'd it then the work never got done. As after a certain number of errors a task is no longer sent out. Who knows if that one contained a signal they were looking for.

I don't see why the task can't just be reassigned to the CPU if the GPU can't process it.

It is berkeleys project & they will run it how they like. If they decide it's a problem then they might not allow the VLARkill version of the app.
6028) Message boards : Number crunching : EVGA has created a Dual cpu LGA1366 motherboard (Message 961429)
Posted 7 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
If you compare the prices of the I7 to the same process in Xeon form you will find they are near the same price. The i7-950 & Xeon W3550 are in the $550-600 range. The higher end Xeons are comparable in price to the Extreme edition of i7's. The I7-975 & Xeon W3580 are in the $950-$1050 range.

If you wanted to buy a board today with dual socket 1366 & several PCIe x16 slots for GPU computing. Then you might want to look at the Super Micro X8DTG-QF or the X8DTH-i. They run about $500-$600.
6029) Message boards : Number crunching : RAC inaccurate with ReScheduler ? (Message 961427)
Posted 7 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

If a PC have additional a GPU for crunching, the owner can choose to use the VLARkill mod or the ReScheduler.

What's about the RAC?

If a PC use the VLARkill mod, the RAC is like a CPU only PC.

But, if a PC use the ReScheduler - the RAC will be the same?


Continuously 24/7 and the 'result turnaround time' (with well SETI@home servers) will be all the time the same.
AFAIK, the RAC is stable after ~ one month.

Haa.. if an owner use the ReScheduler, the 'result turnaround time' will vary. (If VLARs to the CPU, and normal & VHARs to GPU)

So 'this' RAC will be 'useless' for to compare with other PCs.

Correct?


____________
[Optimized project applications, for to increase your PC performance (double RAC)!][Overview of abbreviations, which are used often in forum and their meaning.]



I could see VLARkill mode as cheating as it does "cherry pick". It is really like looking at the tasks and aborting ones that have a high estimated completion time.
6030) Message boards : Number crunching : Hardware noob (Message 961426)
Posted 7 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
well, i'll try to switch the cards, maybe that'll help. who knows... maybe tomorrow, maybe next week... thx so far!


Is there any indication the aux PSU that it is turning on?
6031) Message boards : Number crunching : question on merging computers (Message 961425)
Posted 7 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I believe the intent of the merge option is for those times when the database creates another entry for the same machine. I've seen this happen when preforming a project detach/attach.
6032) Message boards : Number crunching : HTPC & SBS Server with Boinc/Seti (Message 961423)
Posted 7 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thanks for the links Ozzfan. Downloaded 5.10.45(64) for the SBS. Up & running.

Question.....computer page is showing computer name & also domain name. Is this showing under my account or is it visible to everyone?


If you look at someone elses computer info. Then you can see the fields that are publicly displayed. I think displaying the % fields would be handy sometimes. Then I could correctly compare my computers to others.

If I had a computer where "% of time BOINC client is running" was 50%. Then if I saw another system of the same configuration & it also ran 50% I'd be able to get a general idea of how things are running.
6033) Message boards : Number crunching : Pi just got a little bit bigger (Message 961179)
Posted 6 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
That's a lot of pi.

Myself, I like pumpkin pie.
6034) Message boards : Technical News : Off and Walking (Jan 04 2010) (Message 961178)
Posted 6 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
"Happy New Decade" to all.

There are many people that know the new decade doesn't start until next year. Just like the millennium didn't start until 2001. There was no year 0, so 1-10 is the decade. It always starts on the 1.


Well a decade is just a period of 10 years. So every year is a new decade. Generally people like to group periods like say the '90's into decades. I think the term I've heard for 2000-2009 is the naughts, & I'm sure people will call 2010-2019 the "teens" even those 10, 11, & 12 are not 'teen numbers.

I personally have been confusing my friends my telling them it's a new century.
6035) Message boards : Number crunching : HTPC & SBS Server with Boinc/Seti (Message 961142)
Posted 6 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Watched a dvd(via home server) earlier with seti running.....didn't notice any hiccups.


Plain DVDs don't give my Core 2 a problem either, just the Blu-Ray stuff.

Which C2D processor is that? My system with the E8400 is OK with blu-ray things with seti running.
6036) Message boards : Number crunching : Hardware noob (Message 961138)
Posted 6 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
this second gpu is driving me nuts!

installed the whole hardware. system booted (well, no windows starting screen, but so what...). found the second gpu. installed it automatically. told me to restart the system. done. started but only with an "empty" screen which looks like there are two screens and this one is the "ghost screen"... uhmmm, you know, looks like a have "lost" the main screen, cause every programm I'd like to open disapears on the "ghost screen", so in fact I'm unable to do anything. tried to plug the screen cable to the second gpu but no signal is detected. I remember that you can set that two screen stuff in the properties (right click on the screen), but I can't open even that...
any idea?
wouldn't start that crap again if I could go back!!!

I ran into that with my HTPC when I disconnected the lcd and just had the hdmi hooked to my rear projections tv. As I had originally used the LCD to see things and dragged the video windows to the extended desktop which is my TV.

Pressing ALT & space opens the options to resize move an active window. So in my case. ALT & space and then M for the move option let me move what I needed to the connected screen in order to adjust things. Once move has been selected use the arrow keys to move the position of the window.
Then I selected the option for duplicate the screen for both displays.
6037) Message boards : Number crunching : Hardware noob (Message 961027)
Posted 5 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
It would have been nice if they just used a IEC C14 connector for the psu.

I imagine it is a C14 plug on the PSU: the problem is likely to be the C13-socket-to-national-wall-plug flex supplied with it. But at least they're interchangeable: I keep a boxful of C13-type G (UK) cables so I'm never caught short if a new piece of kit comes with a Euro or (dare I say?) US power cable....


The photos, rear image, for the US model show a 3 pin connector on the back. Then they supply a cable to plug into that with the wall connector being correct for the country it's sold in.

It just doesn't look like there is room for the C14 receptacle.

6038) Message boards : Number crunching : 'to completion' times grossly overestimated. (Message 961020)
Posted 5 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
What might you reccomend?


If you want a new video card just to run seti faster then you really have to look at 2 things. How much you are willing to spend & what can your machine handle. Mostly this would be in the sense of the amount of power your system can give to a video card.

The GeForce 250's seem to be popular as they are around $100 mark and only about 150w. The GeForce 295's are about 300w cards & they tend to live in the $500+ range. Looking at the specs of the cards. If I were to get one just for GPU processing I wouldn't get a card lower then the 275, which runs $250-300 & about 220w.
6039) Message boards : Number crunching : Just for fun I will kill a 2.8 chip. (Message 961008)
Posted 5 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I think it was the old tom's hardware where they ran a athlon & a P3 without heat sinks to show this. If I remember the athlon actually caught fire, but it's been a while since I've seen that video.

It was an Athlon vs. a P4. The older P3s had the same thermal protection as the Athlons did, which was very little. Intel knew their P4s were going to run pretty hot, so building in some thermal protection was a must for the chip architecture. Even the Athlon XP didn't do so well. It wasn't until the Athlon 64 that AMD was able to provide similar thermal protection in their line of CPUs.

Here's the clip on YouTube showing the P4, P3, and two Athlon Socket A chips with their thermal readouts.

Yep that's the one I was trying to remember. I like how the amd chips get up to 300-370C.
6040) Message boards : Number crunching : Longest time Crunching without a re-boot? (Message 960972)
Posted 5 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I've seen over 3 years continuous crunching for one internal server until it suffered a HDD failure.

Presently 270 days and counting for another machine. A few months for various others until the next security updates or system upgrades.

All on various flavours of Linux.


The main limitation on uptime is due to holiday shutdowns or for when the kernel needs updating!


Much more interesting is for what is the oldest machine still crunching, and for why it is still in service...

Happy crunchin',
Martin


I think it might look something like an old server I have at work. I did stop it to upgrade BOINC once.
6041) Message boards : Number crunching : Hardware noob (Message 960970)
Posted 5 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
just a quick update:

I finally received the Thermaltake Purepower 450W unit. Was able to order it directly from France instead from the Netherlands. Made a quick test yesterday and yes, it does fit into the case. However, I wasn't unable to test it as I need a power connector (French power cable...). Maybe I'll buy one today or wait till the weekend.

However, just to be sure: I'll install the Purepower unit and the second card and it should work? Will I have to connect a second screen to the new card for the first time?

And nonetheless, I ordered the German booze anyways, should be ready to pick up latest next week ;)


The 2nd card should work once you have the 2nd psu in and going. It would have been nice if they just used a IEC C14 connector for the psu.
6042) Message boards : Number crunching : OUTAGE REMINDER: READ FIRST BEFORE POSTING CONNECTIVITY PROBLEMS (Message 960967)
Posted 5 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Game on......

Servers are back online.

Of course, don't expect anything less than total bandwidth saturation until the smoke clears a bit.
But if everything stays glued together, we are back on our way.

Meow meow.


There was a nice spike in the Cricket graph a while ago but it seems to have stopped up.

Who has the plunger?


I think that was everyone downloading the results they had ready. At the moment the server stats show 4 "ready to send" & the upload had spiked. So it looks a like a normal recovery state after maint w/o any new results to send out. They will probably feed some more tapes soon, but getting everything up in a "normal" state would be the priority I'd expect.
6043) Message boards : Number crunching : Crashed video driver with Overclock (Message 960964)
Posted 5 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
At least it's better then a hard lock. Then again I never hard problem with a video driver crashing until using vista.....


I'd be willing to bet you have. Did you ever have a problem with Windows XP, 2000 or earlier where the video driver is/has crashed and it can't redraw the screen anymore, so all you get are a cascade of windows as you drag it across the desktop or your mouse arrow isn't redrawn so you have a bunch of "mouse droppings" on the screen? If not, I know I certainly have experienced that.

Part of the problem is that the video driver in all previous Windows releases were run in the kernel space known as Ring 0 (zero). A hard crash would give a BSOD and a soft- or half-crash would give behavior like I described above. This is also the very same reason why installing a video driver required a reboot, because it was in the protected kernel space.

Windows Vista, and inherently also Windows 7 have moved the video driver to Ring 3, which is the user space. Now, instead of crashing the entire system, it only crashes the apps that were using it. Restarting the app is usually far easier than restarting the entire computer. What you described about Half Life also happens to my GF a lot lately while we play World of Warcraft (which can be extremely annoying if we were in mid-battle). Another benefit is that the video driver can be updated without requiring a restart of the OS for easier upgrades.

Unfortunately, on my Vista (then Win7 too after I upgraded) my entire system would lock up due to my Radeon HD 4870 overheating and not even the OS could recover from it. All I could do was hit the reset button. I have since fixed this by using the fan control in the overclock options to force the fans to run at 60% and I haven't had a crash in months.


When using XP on my main system I never had those failures. However, I stuck to XP SP1 & Ati 6.11 drivers for my AIW x850. I didn't want all of the security BS of SP2 on my system. Also if I installed any drivers newer then 6.11 second life would give me an error "your video driver is to old, you need to install a newer version". So I figured "fine I'll use the 2 or 3 year old driver then..."

The crashes I would get would be more of the "why can't I do anything, why are all my fan now running at full speed, & why do I feel those two thing are related" nature. Later I installed an aftermarket cooler to get rid of the constant noise from the fan. However flipping the coolers fan switch to high lead to a large pop, a spark, & the system shutting down.

That system now has an agp 3850 in it & hadn't had any system crashes.... yet, but it is windows. So it should crash sooner or later. lol
6044) Message boards : Number crunching : Just for fun I will kill a 2.8 chip. (Message 960951)
Posted 5 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I'm pretty sure that's the era of CPUs where the Intel's are self-preserving but the AMD Athlon chips will die a fiery death.


Actually any modern chip has thermal protection built in. If it gets to the upper limit it shuts down.



I meant to refer to the much older Athlon chips. Yes, you're right about the modern chips.


I think it was the old tom's hardware where they ran a athlon & a P3 without heat sinks to show this. If I remember the athlon actually caught fire, but it's been a while since I've seen that video.
6045) Message boards : Number crunching : Just for fun I will kill a 2.8 chip. (Message 960862)
Posted 5 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thus far my attempts to kill my 2.4Ghz P4 are not going well. I moved the system to my sun room which had no air ducts for heat/cooling.

Currently at 2928MHz it's running 28C running full load for the past 4-5 hours. Right now it's 23°F(-5°C) outside according to NOAA & I'd bet it's not much warmer in my sun room. lol

However, I did some testing before I moved the system into the cold. It ran pretty well for several hours around 80C, at stock speed, when I had the CPU fan unplugged. Once it hit 85C, maybe when my heat turned on, the system shutdown. Must be some sorta of built in thermal shutdown as the board safety features are all disabled.

These buggers are pretty tough. I think Ned might have been right when he said
... and if the goal is to kill the chip, I think you're going to fail.


If all else fails I may have to resort to modifying the board to give me more voltage. As the settings only allow for 1.525-1.8v
6046) Message boards : Number crunching : client_state lost data (Message 960861)
Posted 5 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hi,
Yesterday my Computer 2855752 http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/show_host_detail.php?hostid=2855752 had a problem (software hang). At restart it lost all info about account ad computer ID. I have seen that the client_state file was not filled with data, as the one of other host.
So no work units in the work units tab, non account and team info.
Running under account "User"
Also the client_state_prev was in the same situation.
I have tryed:
a) to install Boinc 6.10.18, just to see if a new installation was able to rebuild a correct situation. Wasn't so.
b) to rebuild manually client_state using an other ona but chainging computer ID. Now I have name and team but no task.
I have seen that in the in other client_state files there is a list of task but I can rebuild them manually.
When Berkeley will restat to send work, I will see if I receive it (if not I think the I must reset project, isn' it?) but in the meanwhile I ask you if all my task (174, not so much) are lost or if there is some utility or some way to connect whem again to my host. I Think I'm not the first one with this problem, even if using the search function I havn't found much.

Bye
Franz


There is no way to have tasks resent.

The only ways I know to "clear" tasks before their report deadline is reset or detach/attach.
6047) Message boards : Number crunching : Anyone ever flash video bios? (Message 960835)
Posted 5 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I was wondering if like the ATI 9800 if the bios can be flashed on my Zotac GTX260 to the faster version?
Zotac GTX 260 896 MB 2009-06-08 00:00:00 PCI-E 576 / 999 GDDR3
Zotac GTX 260 896 MB 2009-01-15 00:00:00 PCI-E 650 / 1050 GDDR3
Has anyone tried it and at worst I could clock down or reflash?


The last video card I was able to upgrade the firmware on was my ATI AIW Radeon, circa 2000. This was later called the Radeon 7200. They had a neat little app to check for firmware updates. They had 2 or 3 before they stopped putting them out for my card. Other then that I haven't come across firmware updates for video cards.

I'd imagine the reason would be to keep from "upgrading" their cards into the higher end versions then they bought. Must like people were doing with DVD writer firmware. *cough*

For some of the cards only the clock speeds of the memory & GPU are different between the models. That can easily be changed by "overclocking" the card. I had a 8500GT at work that I set the memory & GPU clocks at the speed of the 8600GT without any problems.I don't know if the shader clock get adjusted as well or not. If it is then I had a 8500 card that was running the same specs as an 8600.
6048) Message boards : Number crunching : Crashed video driver with Overclock (Message 960832)
Posted 5 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
While it is nice that vista/windows 7 can recover form a video snafu. Any software using that hardware doesn't really seem to. I get that message every now and then on my main system, when I run second life a lot. I'll get the "your video crashed but it's ok i fixed it" message from windows. Then I have to restart software like second life or paint shop pro that happen to be using the hardware when windows decided it was crashing.

At least it's better then a hard lock. Then again I never hard problem with a video driver crashing until using vista.....

Thats why it was odd...I never saw that either and much better than the old BSD. I will watch and see, my GTX275 is screaming thru the units now and still only 55C.


I think windows is overly aggressive in the "crash recovery" of the video driver. My GPU normally runs 0-3% & around 49C, which is the bottom of the scale in the driver GUI temp display.
6049) Message boards : Number crunching : Intel core 2 quad 4 with NVIDIA gpu processing intermittently processess only four data projects at one time? (Message 960829)
Posted 5 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thank for the ideas.

what happens is a GPU project is one of the four projects that are being crunched. Thus it appears to me that one of the CPU's is not being used. The GPU is set to run at all times, although I do give it a rest sometimes if I need additional power.

I don't see any mention of the [collatz conjecture] in my Messages listings.


Sorry for the confusing "[collatz conjecture]" is one of the projects I run. I was using as an example. I was thinking maybe you ran out of GPU work, liek many projects do.

With 1 GPU & 3 CPU task running do you have any task that are in "ready to start" status? Also if you open task manager do you see 100% cpu usage when this is occurring?
6050) Message boards : Number crunching : New problem. "BROWSER" variable? (Message 960825)
Posted 5 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
That is correct. I've previously been able to point the browser at SETI and if the project is offline, I get a page that says unable to connect. That's normal. This time was different. It was BOINC saying that it couldn't find the browser (Firefox 3.5.6.) As I stated, I've never seen that error message before.

I've also never seen an environment variable called BROWSER either, but upon creating one, BOINC was then able to find the browser and go to wherever I had clicked for regardless of whether or not that destination was on or offline.

I'm still thinking Lunatic 0.2 had something to do with it, but I can't tell if everything went alright until SETI gets back online and I see if I can download and crunch like I'm expecting it to.


I don't have a machine at home with a x64 OS on it at the moment to try this myself. It could be the installer borking something, or just a really weird thing with firefox. I'll prolly have the bits for my new HTPC sometime this week. So I can give it a go then.

Does this looks like it's all correct?
OS: Windows 7 x64
Browser: Firefox 3.5.6
BOINC: 6.10.18
Opt Apps: Win64 Lunatics' Unified Installer v0.2
6051) Message boards : Number crunching : Crashed video driver with Overclock (Message 960796)
Posted 5 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
While it is nice that vista/windows 7 can recover form a video snafu. Any software using that hardware doesn't really seem to. I get that message every now and then on my main system, when I run second life a lot. I'll get the "your video crashed but it's ok i fixed it" message from windows. Then I have to restart software like second life or paint shop pro that happen to be using the hardware when windows decided it was crashing.

At least it's better then a hard lock. Then again I never hard problem with a video driver crashing until using vista.....
6052) Message boards : Number crunching : New problem. "BROWSER" variable? (Message 960794)
Posted 5 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
For most of the outage the Home Page was gone. So when I clicked it I got a "unable to connect do you want to check your connection" Message. Like it was my connections fault not the seti site.


I think the messages was Boinc can't find the browser not the browser can't find seti@home.
6053) Message boards : Number crunching : Intel core 2 quad 4 with NVIDIA gpu processing intermittently processess only four data projects at one time? (Message 960793)
Posted 5 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
When you have only 4 task running is this 4 CPU & 0 GPU task? If that is true. Then you might see a message like this:
[Collatz Conjecture] Reporting 1 completed tasks, requesting new tasks for GPU
[Collatz Conjecture] Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks

I think a good option for a future version of BOINC would be to have project CPU prefs. To allow user to say I want to give S@H 4 cpus, rosetta 2 cpus, & folding 2 cpus. Perhaps something along those lines, but then I know things would become extremely complex for trying to schedule tasks.
6054) Message boards : Number crunching : OUTAGE REMINDER: READ FIRST BEFORE POSTING CONNECTIVITY PROBLEMS (Message 960739)
Posted 5 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Currently - it is effectively like S@H is still down, since the uploads server is down.
However the download servers are up, but I am not sure you can fetch work either since I've set NNT.

So... It'll just take patience.


But at least the message board are up so are can complain about it! lol

Hopefully all work they guys at berk put into it gets to go on for some time. So we can continue to complain about how "unreliable" it is.

Overall the server up time is pretty good I think. The servers would have to be down for about 36 days a year to be at just 90% up time, which is an average of 2.4 hours a day. It could be less then that, but I'd expect it's a bit higher.
6055) Message boards : Number crunching : New problem. "BROWSER" variable? (Message 960731)
Posted 5 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
As I usually do, I am in BOINC Mgr and I click on a project, and then click on the message boards button for that project. Normally my browser (Firefox) will either open up fresh or create a new tab with the appropriate content displayed. Today however, I got an error message stating that BOINC couldn't open the browser because it couldn't find the browser. After clicking ok, another window comes up and says that to fix the problem, the BROWSER variable needs to be pointing to wherever a browser is. I manually created the variable and plugged in as both a user and a system variable. This fixed the problem.

This begs the question, why did it happen at all? I've been running BOINC for yrs and this is the first time something like this has ever happened. I don't remember now, but the only thing that happened shortly before or after the event, was that I installed the x64 version of the Lunatic installer. I'm using Win 7 (I'm really anxious to see how much better my performance will be. SETI being down is killing me!)

Anybody got any idea as to what happened or why?

mdawson


What was the variable it was referring to? I don't see a "browser" variable on any of my systems & I'm guessing it's in the "Environment Variables" section of the System Properties. Also what version of firefox is it? The latest I've got installed at the moment is 3.0.14 tho I have 3.5.6 downloaded.
6056) Message boards : Number crunching : silly questions? (Message 960725)
Posted 5 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Google "tamper proof thermostat" or "thermostat lock"


Nah, determined kids will always find the way to bypass the lock.

The thing to do is install a second, hidden, thermostat when they're not around. That's the one that actually controls the temperature. Disconnect the original thermostat and let others (kids or spouse, as the case may be), fiddle with that one to their heart's content.

Just remember that if you ever have anyone come to the house to work on the heat or AC, you have to show them where the REAL thermostat is!


When I was growing up my dad put one of those lock boxes around the thermostat. One of those plastic ones with slots in it like you might see in stores & what not. This made it rather easy to unscrew the lock through the slots. Then turn the adjustment screw to have the temp be different form where it was set.
6057) Message boards : Number crunching : What are credits for? (Message 960720)
Posted 5 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Rumor has it that I have enough credits to trade in for a coffee cup.......
Shipping and handling not included.


Would that be a used styrofoam one?

Not sure...
And maybe I am mistaken. They might just be enough for a stir stick.


I'm sure it will at least be a nice swizzle stick... ok maybe a used one that has been run over by a dump truck & perhaps a squirrel chewed on it a bit.
6058) Message boards : Number crunching : Crunching / Gaming Computer Build 2010 (Message 960525)
Posted 3 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Don't forget everyone POWER OUTAGE in 11 HOURS


/me turns off the lighs.
6059) Message boards : Number crunching : Crunching / Gaming Computer Build 2010 (Message 960513)
Posted 3 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hi All. Looks like it is time to get this this thread set up. Some of you here will know about my impending computer build. Well, I have finally got around to creating this thread for the topic. I hope to have this build up and running / crunching (at stock settings) by New Years Eve, which is also my 3rd year anniversary of crunching for S@H.

<snip>

- Luke.


Ok...ok... I drooled over your new PC build long enough. I broke down and ordered some bits to upgrade my HTPC:

GigaByte GA-P55-UD6
Intel I7-860
CORSAIR CMX4GX3M2A1600C8 4GB PC3-12800
SAPPHIRE HD 5750 1GB

All for the low low price of $786.80! lol

Not as much as the powerhouse you ended up with, but I hope it can play HD movies for me better then my old P4.


LOL. The GF says this is my Christmas present to myself for the next 5 years...
If you haven't figured it out already. I love glowing things...
So, I'm decked out on lights and see through windows and dual monitors etc.

You should be able to build a relatively cheap system and get nearly as much RAC as I can. :)

I look forward to seeing our results!


Whatever it can manage will be better then my current HTPC.

I like making weird lights out of things that are not meant to be lights meself, just not my computers for some weird reason.

I turned an old cell phone into an emergency LED flashlight that comes on when the charger looses power & runs off of the internal lion batter. Then I made a lamp out of an old helicopter landing light.
6060) Message boards : Number crunching : Crunching / Gaming Computer Build 2010 (Message 960511)
Posted 3 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hi All. Looks like it is time to get this this thread set up. Some of you here will know about my impending computer build. Well, I have finally got around to creating this thread for the topic. I hope to have this build up and running / crunching (at stock settings) by New Years Eve, which is also my 3rd year anniversary of crunching for S@H.

<snip>

- Luke.


Ok...ok... I drooled over your new PC build long enough. I broke down and ordered some bits to upgrade my HTPC:

GigaByte GA-P55-UD6
Intel I7-860
CORSAIR CMX4GX3M2A1600C8 4GB PC3-12800
SAPPHIRE HD 5750 1GB

All for the low low price of $786.80! lol

Not as much as the powerhouse you ended up with, but I hope it can play HD movies for me better then my old P4.
6061) Message boards : Number crunching : THIRD Fundraising Email (Message 960497)
Posted 3 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I don't mind it, but I don't understand why the email says "you've been identified as one of our most active volunteers"...does this mean anything? Am I one of their most active? lol *flattered*


Everyone with at least a RAC of 1 receives it. LOL.


Except me.
6062) Message boards : Number crunching : What are credits for? (Message 960458)
Posted 3 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Rumor has it that I have enough credits to trade in for a coffee cup.......
Shipping and handling not included.


Would that be a used styrofoam one?
6063) Message boards : Number crunching : What are credits for? (Message 960149)
Posted 2 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hey folks,

I was just wondering what credits are for? How are credits calculated and what can I do with my credits?

Sorry for this silly question but there seems to be no hint on all the FAQ-pages here...

Marc



I think most of the info you'd want is on the BOINC wiki. http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/User_manual

Once you gain an infinite amount of credits you can trade them in for a toaster. :D Note: Price of toaster & shipping not included.
6064) Message boards : Number crunching : HTPC & SBS Server with Boinc/Seti (Message 960069)
Posted 2 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
2nd one will be a Small Business Server...will it be worthwhile installing boinc/seti on it or will that become a security issue?

No problem on the security front unless you open up firewall ports for remote management - but then, that's what you normally do for a server anyway. Just crunching has no more security issues than it always does.

But - SBS is always installed as a Domain Controller, and you (still, two years on) can't install any genuine BOINC v6.xx on a DC - see trac [trac]#652[/trac].

No problem - just have to dig out a v5.10.45, or Crunch3r's v6.1.0 (which isn't a genuine v6, so it does work).


The easist way to get around the installer issue if you are going to run it in user mode is just to copy the boinc folder form another machine. I've only done this for 2000, 2008, & 2008 Storage server in dc configurations.
6065) Message boards : Number crunching : HTPC & SBS Server with Boinc/Seti (Message 959887)
Posted 1 Jan 2010 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
hi guys, hope everyone had a good & safe Xmas......

Have got 2 rigs ready to go on arrival of cpu's & ram(hopefully arrives early next week).

1st one will be a HTPC in the lounge....Will boinc/seti impede it in any way if installed on it?

2nd one will be a Small Business Server...will it be worthwhile installing boinc/seti on it or will that become a security issue?

Happy new year & stay safe.....


For my HTPC I have to snooze boinc when I'm watching HD content, but it's an older 3GHz P4. A Core chip prolly could keep up with stopping it. I also run collatz on the video card. Standard def content play fine for me with boinc running.

I don't see boinc as a security issue myself. It may not hold up to an attack targeted directly at it, but I expect it may fare pretty well. REally the only thing I could see would be if you setup Boinc to be accessed from another box. Then if someone wanted to spend the time they could then set that machine to run projects for them. Since it's not setup by default to allow remote connects & it operates over 1 port that you more then likely don't have public access to it should be pretty safe.
6066) Message boards : Number crunching : Power Distribution for SETI servers (Message 959587)
Posted 30 Dec 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The power grid was off for 24 hours, even with UPS systems most of the time you only get a few hours. SETI does not own a diesel generator, nor does it have the funds to buy and keep one up.

More to the point, BOINC has a number of features that are designed to deal with unreliable connectivity, unreliable power, and all measures of service interruption.

Going to great lengths to insure that SETI@Home is never ever shut down or unreachable is not only an expense, it demonstrates that BOINC is not as fault tolerant as it is meant to be.

Anyone who thinks otherwise should really read this white paper.


You mean we can't have a Tier 1 data center with the budget of...naught. I'm cornfused and bewildered!
6067) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (27) Server problems (Message 959583)
Posted 30 Dec 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Pages seeems to be taking awhile to load, is it because of the volume of traffic or maybe the British weather


It's slow here as well. Every now and then I'm getting "page failed to load" as well. Normally refreshing will load the page, but it has also occurred looking at my account/computers.

Could be other power upgrades going on in other places on campus or something completely unrelated with their internet connection. All the people on campus staying in their dorms D/L things they shouldn't be perhaps.
6068) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (27) Server problems (Message 959524)
Posted 30 Dec 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Anyone got an idea when the Stats will be available again?
I for one miss getting my team stats.
Last update was 26th Dec.

Dave


The static data that the other stats sites seems to get their data from normally seems to run somewhere between 7-9pm my time, which is us eastern. Since the raid sync was still going at that time yesterday I would guess it will run at it's normal time today. Then again it could be something that was disabled to speed recovery & hasn't been turned back on yet as well.

I think we should be able to tell in about 12-13 hours.

However, looking at my team stats on the local site they seems to be live & up to date.

EDIT: I also noticed that, from looking at the bandwidth graph at least, seti went from a cold boot to fully recovered in about 24 hours.
6069) Message boards : Number crunching : THIRD Fundraising Email (Message 959477)
Posted 30 Dec 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hi all--

I know the project is desperate for cash (as the former Donations coordinator) but I received a third email stating the need for cash.

3 emails are--in my belief--total overkill.

For the record I gave recently, but choose to hide my star.

Twice was enough friends.


I gues that is why I didn't get one. It must have been forwarded to you instead.
6070) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (27) Server problems (Message 959473)
Posted 30 Dec 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

ALL SEEMS TO BE BACK TO NORML. HURRAH!!!!!!
WELL DONE TROUBLE SHOOTERS AT SETI

400k Tasks ready to send have been replaced by COMPLETED AND VALIDATED tasks.
We now all have our Total Credits back on track with the crunching work not lost after all.

A HAPPY ENDING TO THE STORY

Keith


Seems they took care of those invalid tasks by changing the "Unsent" to "Didn't need". Tho that might be an automagic process.


At a guess, i would have thought the change to "Didn't need" might be automatic (I like automagic!!!) after the "Validate Error" was amended to "Completed and Validated".


automagic is a highly technical term much like P.F.M.
6071) Message boards : Number crunching : Just for fun I will kill a 2.8 chip. (Message 959469)
Posted 30 Dec 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
all this wanton destruction...
got that much time...help paint
the the shop...while i put solar panels up


Don't they have robots that can do that yet?

Or perhaps once we find these aliens you can employ them to paint for money to get back home. :)
6072) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (27) Server problems (Message 959464)
Posted 30 Dec 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
ALL SEEMS TO BE BACK TO NORML. HURRAH!!!!!!
WELL DONE TROUBLE SHOOTERS AT SETI

400k Tasks ready to send have been replaced by COMPLETED AND VALIDATED tasks.
We now all have our Total Credits back on track with the crunching work not lost after all.

A HAPPY ENDING TO THE STORY

Keith


Seems they took care of those invalid tasks by changing the "Unsent" to "Didn't need". Tho that might be an automagic process.
6073) Message boards : Number crunching : I don't get it?? (Message 959459)
Posted 30 Dec 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
An for the Record, I do get that the rev. is saying. I took time off from Seti Classic as a result of issues.

There is nothing wrong with other projects to keep CPU's and GPU's warm.

Classic was a different animal. No cache, no ability to run other projects, just crunch one work unit, then upload/download the next.

Sure, there were third party applications, but it was kinda primitive.

BOINC has tools that overcome most of the shortcomings, like built-in caching. If the Reverend would care to tweak a few settings he would not run out of work.

My biggest gripe though is with those who can't see the BOINC client and the BOINC servers as a system -- and we really should be looking at both together, and not one or the other in isolation.


As a system it's always running. Even if that means out of the 1,000,000 or so people running S@H that only 1 of them has work for processing. Really even if there is 0 work to process it's still working.

The whole period of time the servers were w/o power for the rewiring the project was still making progress as many peoples computers kept running w/o them evening knowing the servers were down.
6074) Message boards : Number crunching : Just for fun I will kill a 2.8 chip. (Message 959451)
Posted 30 Dec 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I remember reading some time back about a guy that built a machine in mineral oil. I am going to find a small tank and rebuild an old P4 2.8 in mineral oil. Once I get it going and windows loaded I will slowly start turning stuff up in the bios until I kill it and see what it can take. I will go for as high an overclock as I can no matter how much voltage it takes. I'll even takes pics. Maybe I should run the cables thru the window so it can stay outside where it is nice and cold. Have a shelf for the window A/C. Will see if I can find a small aquarium tomorrow, I have barrels of mineral oil. I am thinking of using a light weight oil so maybe I can have a slow motion CPU fan. LOL



I think that's a great idea. So much so I think I'll take my old 2.4Ghz P4 & the P4B533 it's attached to and see if I can cook it as well.

To start I am going to find it's stable highest OC stock cooler. Then once it will take no more I think immersion is the next step.

So far I have it running stable at 2910MHz, 1.625v, 51C. Seems I have a ways to go before I get it up to 71C....

I need better cooling and some case filters to get that cool here on My QX6700 B1(ES) cpu, But then I have a really dusty environment that needs new exterior door weatherstripping and a better cooler, Both of which I plan to spend money on in 2010 and that will be fun as I can't do everything at once here. As that's My idle temp currently.


My 3GHz P4 in a P4C800-E Deluxe board on the other side of the room is running at 56C slightly OC'd to 3180MHz and undervolted. My E8400 C2D is running about 53C right now. However, on the Core 2 Duo chip I also get to see the core temps which are around 65C. The others I just get the reading from the MB sensor.
These are all with S@H running.

What may really make you look is my C2D T7200 MOTD server is running around 72C from the MB sensor & around 80C from the CPU from the CPU sensors. That should be OK. It is spec to run up to 100C.
6075) Message boards : Number crunching : Just for fun I will kill a 2.8 chip. (Message 959444)
Posted 30 Dec 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I remember reading some time back about a guy that built a machine in mineral oil. I am going to find a small tank and rebuild an old P4 2.8 in mineral oil. Once I get it going and windows loaded I will slowly start turning stuff up in the bios until I kill it and see what it can take. I will go for as high an overclock as I can no matter how much voltage it takes. I'll even takes pics. Maybe I should run the cables thru the window so it can stay outside where it is nice and cold. Have a shelf for the window A/C. Will see if I can find a small aquarium tomorrow, I have barrels of mineral oil. I am thinking of using a light weight oil so maybe I can have a slow motion CPU fan. LOL



I think that's a great idea. So much so I think I'll take my old 2.4Ghz P4 & the P4B533 it's attached to and see if I can cook it as well.

To start I am going to find it's stable highest OC stock cooler. Then once it will take no more I think immersion is the next step.

So far I have it running stable at 2910MHz, 1.625v, 51C. Seems I have a ways to go before I get it up to 71C....
6076) Message boards : Number crunching : Resync of RAID seems to be finished now (Message 959441)
Posted 30 Dec 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Seems as if the resync of the RAID arrays are finished now. The message about it is gone from the main page, and the cricket graph just shot up as crazy.

Expect delivery of new WU's to begin now, although it may still take hours before you get any. Everybody wants them now :-)

Sten-Arne


I saw
"12/29/2009 9:11:25 PM SETI@home Scheduler request completed: got 29 new tasks"
on one of my machines. Now it just seems everyone has to fight over the bandwidth to D/L them lol

I'll wait some more, Why not? I have all the time in the world. :D


I just set my machines at home to NNT until they finish downloading what they have. I saw on my machine computers that it kept requesting new tasks and queuing them up for d/l without getting anywhere.
6077) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (27) Server problems (Message 959439)
Posted 30 Dec 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I am going to speculate that while the "resync" was happening some splitting was occuring. As I look at the Server Status the Multibeam splitters have been off for a couple of hours now, and the Ready to Send Que has some 400000+ waiting.
As much as I have searched the only reference I can find it the Raid is a 48 disk array (12x4 for the Databases). Matt had also mentioned that they were mostly 1 Tb drives. So what would complicate matters is that half of the set broken into Raid Arrays and striped, the other half is a mirror of the Raid Sets. Not to mention the Raid Arrays are Software driven rather than hardware driven. I am trying to remember if the array for Download is in Bane, which was 12 drives (SCSI I think). Yes there is even more to guess... LOL

Very Simplistic:
So this is the equivalent on running a CHKDSK C: /F (win) when you start your Home PC. It takes a while to check the placement of every file (start/end and checksum) and the various security descriptors and the file allocation table. Yes in Nix terms we are talking inodes (we will leave that there).

My guess is that the "resync" will be done sometime around 1:00pm PST.

Regards



It's been a while since I've had to deal with this myself. I've got an old compaq server using 21 18GB drives in raid 5. The controller advised me not to use more then 14 disks in one array but it's not a mission critical system. I pulled a drive and replaced it with another just to see how long it might take to resync. With the array idle it took around 13 hours iirc. Not bad for an old system I thought.
6078) Message boards : Number crunching : Resync of RAID seems to be finished now (Message 959437)
Posted 30 Dec 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Seems as if the resync of the RAID arrays are finished now. The message about it is gone from the main page, and the cricket graph just shot up as crazy.

Expect delivery of new WU's to begin now, although it may still take hours before you get any. Everybody wants them now :-)

Sten-Arne


Indeed it does.
I saw "12/29/2009 9:11:25 PM SETI@home Scheduler request completed: got 29 new tasks" on one of my machines. Now it just seems everyone has to fight over the bandwidth to D/L them lol
6079) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (27) Server problems (Message 959431)
Posted 30 Dec 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

Sten-Arne, but you know that this cricket graph stuff isn't something from Berkeley?
This is a service of someone else.
So why to publish this service so big in public?
AFAIK, this is a free service for Berkeley.. but they could decide to finish this service..

Ah, no.

The cricket graphs are produced by the Information Services and Technology department -- the in-house "telephone company" for the University of California, Berkeley.

They exist so that the network engineers can see where their network is performing well, and what might need upgrades or repair.

The IST department could block outside access to it since it isn't meant for us, and it does tell us some interesting things about their network infrastructure.

I run a similar bit of software on my network, and for the same reason.


Personally I use MRTG.

I like seeing the lines go up and down..
6080) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (27) Server problems (Message 959375)
Posted 29 Dec 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Yes, I read that, I was speculating based on what Joe had said. Personally, I don't think we are waiting on the "Validate Error" WUs to be fixed, I think that this is Cold Iron restart, the staff is to busy checking dependencies to keep us informed and the information displayed on the Server Status page is BS (as it usually is EXCEPT when EVERYTHING is running smoothly) and if everyone just waits an hour or two or a day or a week, it will all be working again, maybe.

Oz


It would seem we are not longer waiting for the "Validate Error" issue to be fixed.

I wonder how long the raid resync takes on a system that large. I'd guess that is why the servers didn't go down for maint today.
6081) Message boards : Number crunching : Many tasks result in VALIDATE ERRORS 29 Dec 09 (Message 959373)
Posted 29 Dec 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I've also got a bunch of those validate errors, I hope it's possible to revive them.. otherwise I'm afraid I'll lose close to two days of crunching..

PS: if it can't be fixed.. ahh well sh*t happens..


Well hopefully it is fixed so it doesn't happen again or they know to watch for it now. In either case it's a success.
6082) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (27) Server problems (Message 959108)
Posted 29 Dec 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Have a quick look at my tasks I've got a total of 5 "Validate error" ones. Which is pretty low vs the number all of my computers have uploaded & reported.

I did notice that all of these have additional task ID's with the status of "Unsent". Which looks like it could be some new server side things to help prevent ghost tasks.

I don't see any reason in suspending my network activity on my home machines at some of the tasks were reported some time ago. Like this one that was reported back in Nov. However my wing man did upload & report theirs today.
6083) Message boards : Number crunching : Intel Atom processor (Message 958980)
Posted 27 Dec 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Grabbed from Wikipedia

"Performance
The performance of a single core Atom is about half that of a Celeron of the same clock rate. For example, the Atom N270 found in many netbooks such as the Eee PC can deliver around 3300 MIPS and 2.1 GFLOPS in standard benchmarks, compared to 7400 MIPS and 3.9 GFLOPS for the similarly clocked (1.73 GHz) Pentium M 740."

So I guess a dual core Atom is = to a Celeron of the same clock speed, just a lot less power.
6084) Message boards : Number crunching : Crunching for long periods of time.. (Message 958600)
Posted 24 Dec 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

I spent big bucks on one case that promised Air Flow and has some cone thing with a fan on it pointing at the CPU, it is now in the closet as it works better without the door on in the small cabinet under the counter where it has to live. Most of my computers are where they will fit and probably not the best locations....

If you have the "cone thing" with a fan blowing in, and the CPU fan blows "up" then it most definitely won't do what you want.

Turn the fan on the "cone thing" so it blows out, and your results will likely be different.

The biggest problem with most of my older cases is that the power supply only seems to mount with the top fan blowing at the top of the case. Had to cut 4" holes above the power supply in a couple machines or all they do is blow hot air around. My i7 is the only machine that I overclock the rest run stock with the good apps.


That is really odd. Generally the fan is in the bottom of the PSU & sucks air in blowing it out of the back. Sounds like some case makers put the PSU screw hole template on upside down. lol Or perhaps they had some other reason that only made sense to them for doing that.
6085) Message boards : Number crunching : Crunching for long periods of time.. (Message 958599)
Posted 24 Dec 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

The biggest problem with most of my older cases is that the power supply only seems to mount with the top fan blowing at the top of the case. Had to cut 4" holes above the power supply in a couple machines or all they do is blow hot air around. My i7 is the only machine that I overclock the rest run stock with the good apps.

I haven't seen that -- on mine the power supply fans are always down.

My desktop machine doesn't have the cover on because I got lazy. It's easier to vacuum out periodically if you don't have to pull the cover first.


That is one of the things I love about my new case. After about 6 months the inside is rather dust free. The 8 drive bays are mesh with filters behind them. So a large portion of the dust gets trapped in there. By the looks of things I'm about due for another cleaning as well.

I like the washing some filters every 3 months over taking my machine apart once a year to clean it out.
6086) Message boards : Number crunching : Does hard drive speed effect seti? (Message 958598)
Posted 24 Dec 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I was wondering how much difference if any hard drive speed makes to seti? When I ran the benchmark test for Luke, my hard drive barely even had a bar in the comparisons and Windows 7 also says it is my slowest componant. What should I look for in a Hard drive as I don't need a huge one maybe I can get a good one if it matters.


Doing the CUDA tasks your drive will probably get more exercise then mine do, but I've set "Tasks checkpoint to disk at most every" to 900 seconds. I found this lower the temps of my drive a few degrees. I had messed around with longer times, but didn't find any noticeable gain. The saving data to disk every x number of seconds is really the only activity that goes on while processing a task. The downloading & uploading of task data is limited by the connection to the servers. Which is many times slower then any current hard disk(at least I hope so).

If you want the highest performance then you could grab some ramdisk software. I personally like Datarams free version.

For a desktop setting that checkpoint time to just short of the time for your drives to go to sleep will result in the best performance possible. However I doubt you could measure the difference in less than 10 continuos years of crunching and then it would be a change of 0.0001 in RAC.

Unless you are planning on editing hidef video don't worry about your hard drive speed.


You let your hard drives go to sleep? *gasps* heh

I think someone was saying something similar in a post asking if SSD's would help run S@H faster.
6087) Message boards : Number crunching : Crunching for long periods of time.. (Message 958414)
Posted 24 Dec 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
just a quick question in between:
what's better in regards to heat - open or closed tower?


My Thermaltake M9 showed cooler temperatures with the cover on. The changes was in the 2-3ºC range. I think it just comes down to how the chassis was designed to move air, or in same situations not being designed for it.

Yep, it depends on how well the case was designed, and how much people have affected that design with added fans, vents etc.

A well designed case with suitable fans in the correct locations will always be cooler with the case on than a poorly designed one with it's case on, or off.
It's not unusual for people to add fans in all sorts of places reducing the case temperature, but increasing the temperature of some of the components in the case due to their location in relation to the added fans.

You are sure absolute about that, mine still needs a house fan with both my Cudas and my overclock no matter what you say.


I see water cooling in your future.
6088) Message boards : Number crunching : Will this make a good cruncher? (Message 958413)
Posted 24 Dec 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
[...]
A x58 motherboard I was looking at was designed to run 4 slots @ PCIe x8 or 2 slots @ PCIe x8 mode. Motherboards like P6T6 WS Revolution let you run 3 slots @ PCIe x16 mode.


Ohh.. this are Intel mobos, right?

Then I must make advertisement for AMD..

In the time (for around one year) I was looking for a mobo which have 4x PCIe x16 slots, I found only one mobo.. MSI K9A2 Platinum.
If two GPUs.. you have 2x PCIe 2.0 x16 (electric). If four GPUs (like I have) you have 4x PCIe 2.0 x8 (electric).
So very well for CUDA crunching.




Asrock X58 Supercomputer motherboard has 4 pci-e slots, But when all 4 are populated they all run at 8x, The driver is the limiting factor though as Nvidia didn't think people could and/or would want to run 4 GTX 295 cards on a motherboard. :(


Maybe in PCIe 2.1 or 2.2 spec.
6089) Message boards : Number crunching : Will this make a good cruncher? (Message 958412)
Posted 24 Dec 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Sounds like your board is very much like mine. My manual includes a block diagram of how everything is wired which is nice to have. A few pages later my manual says PCIEX16_1 runs at x8 mode when 2 graphics cards are installed. So I get 1 - x16 slot or 2 - x8 slots. I wonder if this also happens if I put x8 raid card in slot...

A x58 motherboard I was looking at was designed to run 4 slots @ PCIe x8 or 2 slots @ PCIe x8 mode. Motherboards like P6T6 WS Revolution let you run 3 slots @ PCIe x16 mode.

If it's an 1156 It will, the raid card could be 1x, 4x or 8x with a video card in the main slot both will be at 8x.


It's actually a 775 C2D board Gigabyte GA-EP45T-ED3P. I expect the video card would drop to x8 mode if anything is placed in the other slot. not that I have any other PCIe card around to try.
6090) Message boards : Number crunching : Does hard drive speed effect seti? (Message 958407)
Posted 24 Dec 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I see I have an option for "ReadyBoost" to speed up my system using my USB flash. Anyone know what that is all about?


It's an idea someone had. I like this bit of data that someone got from testing with it.

"A system with 512 MB of RAM (the bare minimum for Windows Vista) can see significant gains from ReadyBoost. In one test case, ReadyBoost sped up an operation from 11.7 seconds to 2 seconds. However simply increasing physical memory from 512 MB to 1 GB reduced it to 0.8 seconds."

It might be more useful in note/netbooks, but if you have more then the minimum amount of ram in a desktop I'm not sure you would get any gain out of it.
6091) Message boards : Number crunching : Will this make a good cruncher? (Message 958404)
Posted 24 Dec 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:


I use to think "hey it's an asus board it can't be bad". Then I bought an Asus Striker II NSE board a few years ago. After having the vendor exchange it 3 times & then getting two directly from Asus I gave up and took out my frustrations on it with a hammer.


Glad I didn't get a Striker....LOL What can I say since my first 486 never had a bad deal. Poor computer you showed no mercy.


Well.... it had it coming... lol

Asus boards have served me well for years. Everyone one them that I still have works fine. I have sold a few. Most of the ones I've gotten rid of just went into the recycling bin as no one had a use for them. I might put a few others there soon. Like my Asus P4T with it's 1.4GHz S423 P4 & 256mb of rambus.
6092) Message boards : Number crunching : Does hard drive speed effect seti? (Message 958396)
Posted 24 Dec 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I was wondering how much difference if any hard drive speed makes to seti? When I ran the benchmark test for Luke, my hard drive barely even had a bar in the comparisons and Windows 7 also says it is my slowest componant. What should I look for in a Hard drive as I don't need a huge one maybe I can get a good one if it matters.


Doing the CUDA tasks your drive will probably get more exercise then mine do, but I've set "Tasks checkpoint to disk at most every" to 900 seconds. I found this lower the temps of my drive a few degrees. I had messed around with longer times, but didn't find any noticeable gain. The saving data to disk every x number of seconds is really the only activity that goes on while processing a task. The downloading & uploading of task data is limited by the connection to the servers. Which is many times slower then any current hard disk(at least I hope so).

If you want the highest performance then you could grab some ramdisk software. I personally like Datarams free version.
6093) Message boards : Number crunching : Will this make a good cruncher? (Message 958392)
Posted 24 Dec 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:


I actually download and read the book for a motherboard before I buy it, but I'm just nerdy like that. Recently I've been looking at 1156 boards so I can rotate one of my two main machines into the living room to replace my old P4. As it really just can't do all of the media things I demand of it.


I knew it was an Asus thats why I bought it open box and saved a bunch. Asus customer service has always been awesome to me. If you look at the beginning of this thread that is what I started on bit was coaxed onto the 1366...LOL
Newegg has some good deals on open box Asus boards if you have 5000 cables and extras like I do. Other than connections the manual would do me no good as all the setting are so different from the 775 I am used to that they may as well be Greek. I got my overclock by copying a nice guy that put all his bios settings pictures on an overclock message board. I can do anything as long as I have Pictures....ROFL!


I use to think "hey it's an asus board it can't be bad". Then I bought an Asus Striker II NSE board a few years ago. After having the vendor exchange it 3 times & then getting two directly from Asus I gave up and took out my frustrations on it with a hammer.
6094) Message boards : Number crunching : Will this make a good cruncher? (Message 958387)
Posted 24 Dec 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
What Sutaru was talking about is on Page 2-20 of your P6T SE motherboard manual & all of your two main x16 slots run at x16 even if you place cards in all 3 slots.

Some motherboards lower the speed of all PCIe slots when you insert cards into them. An asus board I had would drop all the PCIe x16 slots down to x1 if you inserted a x1 card into any of the slots, even the x1 slot. *smacks asus upside the head*
Luckily a lot of the newer boards don't have this problem.


I meant it in an other way..
You could be also correct.. I didn't had your experiences.

For example I have the - now very old - Intel D975XBX2 mobo with QX6700.
It have 3x PCIe 1.0 x16 slots.
1st PCIe x16
2nd PCIe x8
3rd PCIe x4
[electric]

If I have a GPU in PCIe 1, the speed is @ x16.
If I insert a GPU also in PCIe 2, the speed of both GPUs are @ x8.
The 3rd PCIe slot is always @ x4.

AFAIK, the first both go through the northbridge.
The 3rd through the southbridge.

My system now:
1st PCIe slot with OCed GTX260-216
3rd PCIe slot with 6200 LE, only here display connected.





Sounds like your board is very much like mine. My manual includes a block diagram of how everything is wired which is nice to have. A few pages later my manual says PCIEX16_1 runs at x8 mode when 2 graphics cards are installed. So I get 1 - x16 slot or 2 - x8 slots. I wonder if this also happens if I put x8 raid card in slot...

A x58 motherboard I was looking at was designed to run 4 slots @ PCIe x8 or 2 slots @ PCIe x8 mode. Motherboards like P6T6 WS Revolution let you run 3 slots @ PCIe x16 mode.
6095) Message boards : Number crunching : Will this make a good cruncher? (Message 958382)
Posted 24 Dec 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:


You looked with GPU-Z how the speed is @ all connected GPUs?

Every GPU should use PCIe 1.0 x16 or PCIe 2.0 x8 slot for max. GPU performance.


What Sutaru was talking about is on Page 2-20 of your P6T SE motherboard manual & all of your two main x16 slots run at x16 even if you place cards in all 3 slots.

Some motherboards lower the speed of all PCIe slots when you insert cards into them. An asus board I had would drop all the PCIe x16 slots down to x1 if you inserted a x1 card into any of the slots, even the x1 slot. *smacks asus upside the head*
Luckily a lot of the newer boards don't have this problem.


Was on a budget and bought the open box, no cables or manual...How was I to know the i7 is a totally different beast. I have the manual downloaded but never printed it. Like most things I usually chuck the instructions anyways...LOL


I actually download and read the book for a motherboard before I buy it, but I'm just nerdy like that. Recently I've been looking at 1156 boards so I can rotate one of my two main machines into the living room to replace my old P4. As it really just can't do all of the media things I demand of it.
6096) Message boards : Number crunching : Crunching for long periods of time.. (Message 958380)
Posted 24 Dec 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
just a quick question in between:
what's better in regards to heat - open or closed tower?

my opinions:

closed tower
- air flow might be better as the case has been designed to be closed
- air will be sucked in better (not sure about that)

open tower
- fans get more air
- heat can get out better
- more dust

I left it open now and didn't see any heat difference


My Thermaltake M9 showed cooler temperatures with the cover on. The changes was in the 2-3ºC range. I think it just comes down to how the chassis was designed to move air, or in same situations not being designed for it.

When I did some playing around running collatz on my ATI 4850 the increased fan speed of the video card was moving more air into the case. So much so that the extra being drawn across my desk caused my hand to nearly freeze. Also the hard drives * motherboard temps were a few degrees cooler.
6097) Message boards : Number crunching : Crunching for long periods of time.. (Message 958247)
Posted 23 Dec 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I built my computer about 6 months ago, already out dated but trying to protect it as long as possible. Just wondering can crunching for a long period of time like 24 hours straight really do any harm to it?


I ran the original S@H on computers 24/7 from '99 to '03 w/o any problems. However YMMV.
6098) Message boards : Number crunching : Intel Atom processor (Message 958246)
Posted 23 Dec 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I know the Atom is weak, but how does it (I'm referring to the single core version) stand against a Pentium 4-M? (I'm neither referring to the much faster Pentium M nor the much hotter Mobile Pentium 4)?

And has anyone made a comparison between a top-of-the-line Pentium III processor (1.4 GHz, 133 MHz FSB) and a single core Atom?


I did put my PIII S 1.4Ghz system against my P4 2.4Ghz system. However, I was just comparing processing vs power efficiency. Turns out the PIII was better per watt then the P4, but would produce lower average work.
6099) Message boards : Number crunching : Will this make a good cruncher? (Message 958245)
Posted 23 Dec 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

Maybe jumped in little late, but hope not too late..

Sure you can OC your GPUs.
This will speed up the calculation time.
Don't know how, so I bought 5x manufacturer OCed GTX260-216.

Because of 2 or 3 GPUs.
You must look how the PCIe slots are connected.
Sometimes if you insert a 2nd, the speed go down.
On your mobo now it stay at PCIe 2.0 x16 ?
Or at PCIe 1.0 x16 ?

You looked with GPU-Z how the speed is @ all connected GPUs?

Every GPU should use PCIe 1.0 x16 or PCIe 2.0 x8 slot for max. GPU performance.

Maybe your 3rd PCIe slot is 2.0 x4 ?
Then you would see some performance loss.
Don't ask me how much. Someone made a test here.. don't know where the thread is.
IIRC, maybe ~ 2 or 5 %. [EDIT: IIRC it was one of the 7/8/9xxx GPU series]




Both my slots are 2.0 x 16, so I should be fine. I used to overclock my ATI card but the program would auto overclock and that was what I used.


What Sutaru was talking about is on Page 2-20 of your P6T SE motherboard manual & all of your two main x16 slots run at x16 even if you place cards in all 3 slots.

Some motherboards lower the speed of all PCIe slots when you insert cards into them. An asus board I had would drop all the PCIe x16 slots down to x1 if you inserted a x1 card into any of the slots, even the x1 slot. *smacks asus upside the head*
Luckily a lot of the newer boards don't have this problem.
6100) Message boards : Number crunching : Setting to 10 days then back to 4... (Message 958242)
Posted 23 Dec 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Anytime you modify settings which affect the Cache size "Boinc" has to adjust. Depending on the version of the Boinc Core you are using a lot of things happen that are not something you can see in the message logs (unless you turn the correct debug flags on in the cc_config.xml). In some cases a small change can take a week to fully adjust. So, if you make a change Please Wait... That is why I continue to suggest no more than 3-5 days (Max) for your cache. Boinc and Seti will attempt to take care of you... It takes time, as it is not instant thing.

Regards

It looked to me like most that had had a problem were awhile ago and I was curious if my i7 and the new Client could handle things. With over 4500 I don't see any difference. What was it supposed to do different?

EDIT: Had app meant client.


From what I recall BOINC 6.6.x had issues when 1000's of tasks & then 6.10.x help in this to some degree. There might be something in the release documents/change log for BOINC.
6101) Message boards : Number crunching : Already thinking of Boxing Day - vidcard discussion (Message 958241)
Posted 23 Dec 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Lets see how about Newegg Canada? 4 GTX 260 cards priced from $189.99 to $206.99 before any shipping and maybe tax too.

Weird that ZOTAC GTX 260 is 189.99 in USD & CAD.

Yeah, I noticed that, Weird, But what do I know.

I get lots of orders from Canada lately, does the exchange rate favor buying here or there? I may upgrade my 2 manager computers since they both use onboard video.

I have no idea hiamps. :(



Exchange rates today for CND were 0.9473 USD.

Source : http://www.bankofcanada.ca/en/rates/exchange.html

From a human perspective this suggests the difference is negligible on amounts smaller than 1000$.

Sometimes products retail for less on the US market, because of manufacturer policies. For example a pair of Sennheiser HD201 headphones retails at 17$ in the states but 58$ in Canada, because of a "regional" promotion. With a .04 echange rate it makes sense to order that product from the US.

Thanks, for the info I know it used to be a lot cheaper for me when I went to Canada but thought things had changed. Still love BC.


However having goods shipped from one country to another requires them to go through customs. Electronics often get a nice import fee attached to them making it not viable to order them outside of your own country.
6102) Message boards : Number crunching : "Average turnaround time" (Message 958240)
Posted 23 Dec 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
What is "Average turnaround time" mine says
Average turnaround time 1.7 days
I thought I contacted seti more often and I probably do around 800 units in that time so I am not sure what it refers to. Seems others may be confused also.


turnaround by definition is the action of receiving, processing, and returning something.

I've noticed on my machines that just do CPU processing the average turnaround is a bit longer then their queue length. For GPU processing it seems to be a lot lower then the queue size. As these tasks don't seem to take very long they are often returned the same day they are downloaded.

If BOINC decides to sit on a tasks and not process it for a few days and does others instead this would generally cause the average to be higher.
6103) Message boards : Technical News : Cool (Dec 22 2009) (Message 958237)
Posted 23 Dec 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
So we got them to turn those fans back on again until we figure out a better situation in the new year.

Open up a window? ;-)

Happy holidays to you and the rest of the crew!
Hopefully you have a silent Christmas, without needing to rush over when things go down.


If they had windows then they would know when it's day/night & might stop working. :D

Have a good holiday there & stay out of the office! :P
6104) Message boards : Number crunching : Already thinking of Boxing Day - vidcard discussion (Message 958160)
Posted 23 Dec 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Lets see how about Newegg Canada? 4 GTX 260 cards priced from $189.99 to $206.99 before any shipping and maybe tax too.

Weird that ZOTAC GTX 260 is 189.99 in USD & CAD.
6105) Message boards : Number crunching : Setting to 10 days then back to 4... (Message 958158)
Posted 23 Dec 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:


Those tasks must be taking forever at 3.8 MHz :D


LOL, sure is fun. Guess I will go back to all 4 cores as I use throttle and see what happens. This HT on, HT off, 7 cores, 3 cores, 4 cores and 8 cores....Just don't know what to do...LOL


To really know for sure you would need to process the same data for each configuration. Otherwise it may be hard to tell if a change you did effected the outcome or just the built in variables making things go up and down.
6106) Message boards : Number crunching : Setting to 10 days then back to 4... (Message 958140)
Posted 23 Dec 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

Was in the Air Force at a little site called Sembach back in the late 70's absolutely love Germany, will make it back. Have been all thru your area also, had a little volkswagan beetle and went somewhere every weekend, Had 480 different beer bottles in my collection.

EDIT Am back to HT off but am at 3.8 mhz, still not sure if I like keeping one core idle...


Those tasks must be taking forever at 3.8 MHz :D
6107) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (27) Server problems (Message 957925)
Posted 21 Dec 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Okay, they were there and have now cleared (and I agree there are now 3 which were there originally), but no credit has been added to my Total Credits.
I assume this is the delay that the backup server has (from which we get our data to view).
So it should catch up very soon, otherwise it may mean I have lost the best part of a days crunching with 22 results completed.

Keith

(YES. THAT WAS IT.
I DID A PROJECT UPDATE.
THE CREDIT HAS NOW BEEN ADDED, SO ALL IS UP TO DATE NOW.
AND THE STRAIGHT LINE ON MY TOTAL CREDIT IS RESTORED!!!)


This numer is growin and growing instead of going down.
Workunits waiting for validation 91,245
Those poor validatiors are working like mad right now I expect.
6108) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (27) Server problems (Message 957922)
Posted 21 Dec 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hi Guys,

Starting having issues last night with Seti. 100% complete, not uploading to site.
Temp failed to upload, http error, upload back off

sorry can't screen grab at moment.

I now have 4 machines with multi WU's waiting to upload.

Anyone any ideas whats going on??

Robbie


the upload server was turned off around noon S@H time and switch back on this morning. Right now there is a flood of everyone's machines trying to catch up.
6109) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (27) Server problems (Message 957916)
Posted 21 Dec 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hiamps

Sorry, but I have no reliance on RAC.
It's "formula" has been fiddled about so much that it is meaningless.
I rely on the kinks in my Total Credits line, taking care to avoid Pending Credits.
It is a little tedious, but does give reliable feedback.

The reason for my message is, without exception, my waiting tasks have gone to Pending Credits.
Although sah validators are all working, all work units are sitting there with 2 completed tasks in each!!!

Keith

(Working, that is, according to Server Status)


The only pendings I see on your 3 computers are on 2881519 which just has normal pendings. I guess the others you were talking about have been cleared out by now.
6110) Message boards : Number crunching : Continue the WU calculation on an other CPU ? (Message 957713)
Posted 21 Dec 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

It's possible to continue the calculation of a started WU on an other/different CPU?

MB opt. app.

For example, if I take a HDD (2nd) out of a PC and insert it in an other PC.

Different CPUs?
Same CPUs?


Thanks!





BOINC seems to be ok with this so long as everything is intact. In case of moving whole HD everything would be intact so no problem.

I've done this for machines when I was testing & didn't want to wait for tasks to finish to move to another test system.
6111) Message boards : Number crunching : SETI@home Processor Guide - Version 0.4 (Message 957328)
Posted 19 Dec 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I've just had the chance in between building my new desk to update and release version 0.2.

Changes Include:
    Added organization rows. Grey rows signify a change between a product series, and black rows signify a change between markets (laptop, desktop, server).
    All desktop Nehalem products now listed, including unreleased processors.
    Creation of a "Die Size" column
    Started work on "Core / Penryn" & "Sandy Bridge / Ivy Bridge" - change between sheets as needed.
    Addition of RAC per dollar for all Core i7 products (except those unreleased & the 870)

Help Needed:

    Find sSpec Number and Die Size for Core i5 6xx, Core i3 & Pentium G6950 series
    Find Die Size for all mobile Core i7 processors
    Find SETI@home RAC for Core i7 870

All other suggestions and comments are welcome...

- Luke.



Are you using http://processorfinder.intel.com for information?
6112) Message boards : Number crunching : Development BOINC 6.10.25 released (Message 957313)
Posted 19 Dec 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
May be just me but it seems my screen flashes to black when GPU units turn in and hadn't really noticed it doing that much the last few days.


That sounds like perhaps your screen being redrawn was slowed by all the processing your GPUs were/are doing. Is the only recent change the boinc version?
6113) Message boards : Number crunching : Help with setting up second user on computer (Message 957312)
Posted 19 Dec 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I am trying to set up a second user on my computer and get seti to run while they are logged in. I can get bonic to come up but it will not connect to seti, and I get a message about needing to set the user up under bonic_users local user group. On a Vista machine how and where do I do this.
Thank you in advance for any assistance on this.

Dave


they say a picture is worth 1000 words so lets try this one.



-You will need to run Computer Manager, which is located in Control Panel > Administrative Tools. If you have user account control enabled you may need to enter a admin level account to run it.
-Then you enter the users section shown in the photo.
-Open the properties for the user, in this case I was using Guest.
-Then add the group to that user. I like to click advanced & then find now so I don't have to type anything.
-Highlight the group & then click OK.
-Click all other OK buttons until you are done.
-Now that user will have whatever permissions the group you added to them allows.
6114) Message boards : Number crunching : SETI@home Processor Guide - Version 0.4 (Message 957210)
Posted 18 Dec 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have just updated the sheet to version 0.1

Changes include:
Addition of Intel Core i5 & mobile Core i7
Created "Socket" column
Added RAC per dollar data for the i7 975 XE

Another factor to figure in when trying to figure cost to crunch is power consumption. Comparing the i860 & the i930. The i930 uses about 30% more power, but does it give you 30% more performance.

I wonder if having average proccess times for the tasks would be good to include.


Hmmm... I'm thinking most of that could be hard to implement. The process times especially since WU's differ in size.


Yeah it might be hard to do that.

Thi will amke it intrestings to see how the CPUs scale for processing S@H. I've noticed since I have 5 systems with old P4's from 3.0GHz to 3.8GHz their processing ability is not as linear as I would have first thought.
2.0GHz RAC ~280 (Northwood)
2.4GHz RAC ~350 (Northwood)
3.0GHz RAC ~600 (Northwood)
3.2GHz RAC ~700 (Northwood)
3.4GHz RAC ~800 (Prescott)
3.6GHz RAC ~830 (Prescott)
3.8GHz RAC ~870 (Prescott)
6115) Message boards : Number crunching : SETI@home Processor Guide - Version 0.4 (Message 957197)
Posted 18 Dec 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Another factor to figure in when trying to figure cost to crunch is power consumption.

I feel that power consumption needs to be measured at the wall socket with the many different computer configurations in use today.

As comparison my OEM i7 975 XE notebook with GTX 280M & RAID-0 3 X 80GB Intel SATA2 SS consumes about 235 watts. Now compare that to a OC’d i7 920 desktop with HHD & liquid cooling. I have no idea but guessing I would think maybe around 750 watts consumption.

I was hoping the “Credit per Watt” thread and spreadsheet would take on a life of its own so we can see some actual costs.

Measuring the bang for your buck can be tricky when comparing an OEM to custom owner built rigs. I also understand that many folks are not going to be comfortable with sharing this kind of information. Rightfully so. But if just a few do...


It would be nice if the cpu makers would state the values for the processors at fulll oad & idle in their general info. Often people use the TDP number, myself included, as the power consumption. When it is really the amount of heat the cooling system needs to handle to keep the processor within it's operating limits.
6116) Message boards : Number crunching : Development BOINC 6.10.25 released (Message 957195)
Posted 18 Dec 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I think everyone should try it once.

If only it would be your last time... ;-)

anyone else notice these development threads never stay on topic?


wait... there was a topic? oh right... 6.10.25...
6117) Message boards : Number crunching : SETI@home Processor Guide - Version 0.4 (Message 957148)
Posted 18 Dec 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Another factor to figure in when trying to figure cost to crunch is power consumption. Comparing the i860 & the i930. The i930 uses about 30% more power, but does it give you 30% more performance.

I wonder if having average proccess times for the tasks would be good to include.
6118) Message boards : Number crunching : Development BOINC 6.10.25 released (Message 957071)
Posted 18 Dec 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Only if you like to live dangerously. ;-)


I once jumped out of a perfectly good airplane.....

I have done that several times, but the planes were always on the ground at the time.

The GPU snooze feature sounds good. On my system with an ati 3850 I'll normally just suspend collatz when I'm watching a movie. Right click & GPU snooze is a lot fewer steps & won't require me remembering to start the project up again. Or if i have fallen asleep watching things....
6119) Message boards : Number crunching : Hyperthreading or not? (Message 957000)
Posted 18 Dec 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
On XP based boxes you can free up a few more cpu cycles by shutting down the explorer.exe process.

That's NOT "Internet Explorer" (aka iexplorer.exe in Task Manager), but explorer.exe.

Explorer.exe is what Program Manager was in old versions of Windows.

If you aren't using your desktop, icons, taskbar, etc, why have those sub-processes running at all?

To start explorer when needed, bring up Task Manager and click on File > New Task (Run...) etc...

Martin
[edited]


and a shortcut to open task manager since windows NT is CTRL SHIFT ESC. That's good for when you have killed explorer & closed TM.
6120) Message boards : Number crunching : app_info for AP503, AP505, MB603 and MB608 (Message 956836)
Posted 17 Dec 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

Hmm O.K., then I'll give it a 2nd try..

I short..

If I crunch MB on CPU/GPU and added the flops entries after calculation in the app_info.xml , what I should/could/will see?

The TaskDurationCorrectionFactor will be at which value?
It'll vary (+/-), if - how much?


Looks like it is to keep the estimates from changing so much.
6121) Message boards : Number crunching : Hardware noob (Message 956830)
Posted 17 Dec 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
this is just for your amusement...

the shop in the netherlands doesn't ship the Thermaltake Purepower 250W to switzerland, nearest location is germany (oh yeah, btw: it's sold out across europe, and no, I won't order it from south africa or new zealand...). so what I had to do now is to subscribe to a delivery address service in germany. the item will be delievered to the german/swiss border and will be waiting to be picked up by me personally. I'm definitely non-religious (obvious as a slaytanic...) and do not believe in superstitious stuff at all, but getting this second gpu running seems to be something technically/universal challenging...
and yes, I DO see you laughing... maybe about that story, maybe just about me...

the only good thing about that procedure: i will additionally order my favourite german booze (also non-deliverable to switzerland)!


Sounds like win! win! Booze & power supply! YAY!
6122) Message boards : Number crunching : Hardware noob (Message 955242)
Posted 16 Dec 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Just curious, can you use a separate power supply as supplemental power for video cards? I have a spare PS with the PCIe connector I need to add another card in this machine but this PS is probably not wanting any more load.


A standard PSU requires a power good signal to stay on. So to use a normal PSU in this fashion would require a bit of work.

Haven't done it in a while but I just shorted the green and black on the board connector before to test fans and stuff.


Switch power supplies often have a minimum power draw requirement for them to work correctly for extended periods. Having one of those ATX test modules connected might be sufficent to correctly load a 2nd PSU. As the video cards only use the 12v rail the other would be unloaded. Having a relay to automaticly turn on the 2nd supply is pretty easy, but wouldn't really be needed for a 24/7 system.
6123) Message boards : Number crunching : Hardware noob (Message 955207)
Posted 16 Dec 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Just curious, can you use a separate power supply as supplemental power for video cards? I have a spare PS with the PCIe connector I need to add another card in this machine but this PS is probably not wanting any more load.


A standard PSU requires a power good signal to stay on. So to use a normal PSU in this fashion would require a bit of work.
6124) Message boards : Number crunching : just floating an idea (Message 955197)
Posted 16 Dec 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Actually, why base it on time zones. If you get a message back from the server, it can have a minimum time to wait until the next connection in it. The server could send back varying times to reconnect based on how busy it is now. If it has lots of slack time, it could set this down to a second. If it notices that the traffic (possibly a compendium of several things) is too high, it could impose longer times to the next connection. The trigger point for network usage would be about 70% of network used. If network usage is below 70%, then the delay would be short. If it is over 70%, the delay would increase very quickly so that a 90% usage would generate about a days delay.

This sort of "go away, I am busy" could indeed help the recovery.

The problem with the server saying "go away, I'm busy" is that in order to get the "go away, I'm busy" you have to connect to the server.

If the server is so busy it can't service another connect, then you can't tell it to go away for a while.

I understand that some will get serviced, and will go away for (a few hours??) but what is really needed is an "out of band" way to tell the clients to back down, because the one time you really need it, "in band" isn't all that available.


The post maint DDOS attack that everyones machines start may be saturating equipment before it even gets to berkeley. I think Matt had posted something once saying that they were not seeing any errors on their end in a reponse to people saying they couldn't get connections.
6125) Message boards : Number crunching : Help with Rebranding XP64 (Message 955193)
Posted 16 Dec 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Opps, I downloaded the 32 bit one instead of the 64 bit. I just downloaded the correct version but don't know if I can shut down Boinc and reinstall or should I wait for the cache to clear? It set up and ran no problem.


I've found it doesn't seem to matter what platform the boinc software is on x64 when running opp apps. I've been running x64 boinc on 5049864 & x64 boinc on 5012752. However, both are using AK_v8_win_x64_SSE3.exe to process tasks. Neither machine seems to have any advantage RAC goes up & down on both.

If you are running the x86 applications then you will need to clear your cache when changing or else all the tasks you currently have may get dumped. I am unsure about the gpus tasks as I think that application is only x86 anyway.
6126) Message boards : Number crunching : opt. apps announced at the 1st side..?! (Message 955192)
Posted 16 Dec 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
There are two reasons *not* to run the optimized applications:

1) Availability. Some machines do not run optimized applications well (or at all).

2) Responsibility. If you load an optimized application, you have to watch to make sure you manually update it when the "stock" application is updated.

For the hundreds of thousands of crunchers who are producing useful work, but don't frequent the forums, #2 represents a lot of dedication.

Especially if they have a bunch of machines.

... and yes, I do run optimized apps.


When I first signed up for S@H orginally I think it was about 1 or 2 years later that I noticed there were forums.
6127) Message boards : Number crunching : Enabling second GPU on MB with embedded GeForce6100 - any ideas? (Message 955075)
Posted 16 Dec 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
That can be true, but sometimes they might have "if a PCIe video card is inserted then onboard video becomes disabled". Can't hurt to look.

Also possible it still needs a jumper set on the motherboard. Yes, there are still mobos with jumpers, gasp! ;-)



There are? *gasps*

Still prefer them to dip switches, if I had the choice. Remember the fiddly days of never being able to find a screwdriver that was small enough to flip that one damn switch, without it flipping the ones next door as well? ;-)


I prefer a ball point pen or a paper clip to flip them. However, I think software based settings are much easier to work with now. "hey I can't find the bios options for...."
6128) Message boards : Number crunching : How do I stop 1 CPU core? (Message 955066)
Posted 15 Dec 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Experiment:
I disabled HT and did a small overclock, running throttle and only 3 CPU cores. My RAC is still in climbing stage so once it settles out I will enable the 4th core and see what happens. Just curious...Looks funny only seeing 5 units running after watching 10. Lastly I will go back to 8 cores and see if that brings it down.


That may make it hard to tell. When everything is working normal, or as normal as can be expected, RAC for a single machine can easily vary 20-30%. I've ghanged things before to see a machines RAC change and I think "oh that made it go faster" and then a week or so later it's lower then it was before I changed anything.

Well then, guess I will let you know which way made me feel was working hardest then....Can't win for losing around here....

It's part of the fun :D
6129) Message boards : Number crunching : Enabling second GPU on MB with embedded GeForce6100 - any ideas? (Message 955065)
Posted 15 Dec 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
That can be true, but sometimes they might have "if a PCIe video card is inserted then onboard video becomes disabled". Can't hurt to look.

Also possible it still needs a jumper set on the motherboard. Yes, there are still mobos with jumpers, gasp! ;-)



There are? *gasps*
6130) Message boards : Number crunching : Hardware noob (Message 955063)
Posted 15 Dec 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
According to the online dell manual for the XPS 710, the connector you have posted a picture of is a power connector for peripherals. From what I gather, it's intended for the H2C's cooler. Dell's aren't generally made to accommodate expansion, but if you want to run the second card in that machine, you could look into adapting the peripheral connector to run the card (would require cutting and crimping new cables from that one - check out the last post on this page) or trying to use adapters from a couple of the 4 pin molex cables, but you could run into trouble drawing too much power from one of the rails if you do that... Or you could upgrade to the 1000w PSU for the 710, that PSU has 4 PCIe connectors on it.

-Dave


thx dave, exactly matching my situation!
so there's no way to find an adapter, I have only 2 molex left (which didn't work...) and I don't feel like I should cut some cables... changing the psu isn't an option cause.. yeah, that's like you should build a power plant... ;) (unless you're a power plant architect...)

guess I have to wait till February :/


Another option is a PCIe bay power supply, something like this, or you could get a new PSU with all the right connectors.
6131) Message boards : Number crunching : Enabling second GPU on MB with embedded GeForce6100 - any ideas? (Message 955059)
Posted 15 Dec 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Raistmer:
Do you have documentation for the motherboard?

For now I have no physical access to that host at all. In general, it's possible to get docs from internet I think, but usually there is no very useful info, just listing of same BIOS options that one can see on the screen by himself. No thorough explanation of options in most manuals.


That can be true, but sometimes they might have "if a PCIe video card is inserted then onboard video becomes disabled". Can't hurt to look.
6132) Message boards : Number crunching : How do I stop 1 CPU core? (Message 955057)
Posted 15 Dec 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Experiment:
I disabled HT and did a small overclock, running throttle and only 3 CPU cores. My RAC is still in climbing stage so once it settles out I will enable the 4th core and see what happens. Just curious...Looks funny only seeing 5 units running after watching 10. Lastly I will go back to 8 cores and see if that brings it down.


That may make it hard to tell. When everything is working normal, or as normal as can be expected, RAC for a single machine can easily vary 20-30%. I've ghanged things before to see a machines RAC change and I think "oh that made it go faster" and then a week or so later it's lower then it was before I changed anything.
6133) Message boards : Number crunching : Task Duration Correction Factor Problem? (Message 955053)
Posted 15 Dec 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Perhaps the short tasks for the one machine are validating & the other machine is loading up pendings.

DCF has nothing to to with pendings. The one thing happens on the client and the other on the server, both totally independent of each other.

Gruß,
Gundolf


*bonks head*

right dcf changes on tack completion even w/o connecting to a server.
6134) Message boards : Number crunching : Hardware noob (Message 954998)
Posted 15 Dec 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
ok, I cooled down. a bit.

short summary what happend yesterday:

- put in the second 8800gtx and connected to free molex pins
- started system
- 2nd card found and driver installed
- rebooted system
- got only a black screen (screen working -> using a screen/mouse/keyboard-switch)
- cold start of system -> same error
- put out the card again
- system booting with the lowest screen resolution, some system stuff disappeared (mouse not working on switch but only when connected directly to rig/background paper gone/screen saver on/system sounds on)
- seti screwed up, no cuda device found (I suspect the nvidia-driver disappeared)
- re-installing nvidia driver -> detaching seti und re-attaching -> works again on stock application
- giving a second try with the second card
- card is recognized -> installing the nvidia driver right away, looks like it does so for both cards. receiving a hint that SLI is not available (correct) and that the card is not getting enough power and therefore is running only on a slow basis
- however: rebooting -> same crap again (resolution gone, seti flup)
- removing card again, booting ok, detach and reattach seti again. DONE!

is it possible to tell from that what happened wrong? did I do something completely wrong?

concerning power cables:
I received the pci 6pin adapter.
http://www.amazon.de/exec/obidos/ASIN/B002WSCOHA/ref=pd_luc_mri?_encoding=UTF8&m=A1HOTMS12DU4AQ
this does NOT fit into the remaining power cable from the psu

the cable from the psu looks like something really weired... didn't find anything that could match... dell support doesn't answer so far

remaining options from my point of view:
A: maybe somebody can help me here (I have a second screen available, maybe I should start the system with both screens?)
B: I have to wait for a pro that can help me at my place (which will be in February


So you have all the hardware in & it is operational, but the new card is running at low speed because you don't have the correct power cable yet?

The cable you ordered is a PCIe extention cable, but the connector comming off your power supply you have taken a photo of is NOT a PCIe connector. The power supply should have some markings indicating what the output provides, but it is probably just auxiliary power.

System makers like Dell, HP & the sort tend to put in the minimum required hardware for the system being built. So sometimes it cam be a pain to do things.
6135) Message boards : Number crunching : Task Duration Correction Factor Problem? (Message 954994)
Posted 15 Dec 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I'm wondering if you got ahold of some shorties that made your numbers change


I have been getting shorties for a while, though, as has my other machine, which is "faster" (2x2352 + TWO GTS 250), which has had a TDCF of 0.08. So there seems to be something of an inconsistency? Or am I misreading what TDCF means?


Perhaps the short tasks for the one machine are validating & the other machine is loading up pendings.

This is one of those times it where not being able to easily tell what a machine has been doing makes it hard to track issues.
6136) Message boards : Number crunching : Task Duration Correction Factor Problem? (Message 954985)
Posted 15 Dec 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
My secondary machine (4912909: 2 x Opteron 8354 = 8 cores) + GTS 250 has been doing about 120 WUs or so/day for a long time now. My usual work buffer (8 days) is around 1000 WUs. BOINC is 6.6.36.

Suddenly today, my TDCF went from about 0.16 to 0.06 and then to 0.056615, and I started d/l tasks like crazy - now up to over 1700 total; I had to go to "No New Tasks" to stop it. (I did so to keep BOINC from having display problems with long queues (known problem)).

Any idea why this might start to happen? It's not happened before on this machine.


I've noticed I get this whenever there is a "short storm". Since I just run CPU tasks this doesn't effect me as much, but with GPU tasks where you are burning though them every few minutes it scales up a lot.
6137) Message boards : Number crunching : Enabling second GPU on MB with embedded GeForce6100 - any ideas? (Message 954974)
Posted 15 Dec 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
For test purposes only, set the BIOS to use the 8500GT and attach a second monitor to that (you'll probably need two monitors available while you do the setting up). You should get Windows running, using the 8500GT as the display card.

Now, is the embedded 6100 visible to Windows? Some BIOSs disable the on-board video when a plug-in card is used, in which case you're stuck.

But if Windows can still see the embedded adapter: extend the desktop to the 6100, set the 6100 as the primary display, and then de-extend it from the 8500GT. Test it running like that for a while - see if it avoids the kernal timeouts. If it passes that test, try rebooting a few times to see if the configuration sticks. And finally, see if it boots OK without a monitor attached to the 8500GT. If you can make all that work (you'll proably be booting blind, not able to see POST or the Windows logo screen), you can give the second monitor back to the colleague you pinched it from!

[All this is guesswork - I've been through the 'add a second monitor' stage often enough, but that's because the user wants to run two monitors. I've never actually tried taking the primary one off]


I think you may have hit the nail on the head there.

Raistmer:
Do you have documentation for the motherboard?
6138) Message boards : Number crunching : captin' Krunch (Message 954970)
Posted 15 Dec 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
According to this

http://fastra2.ua.ac.be/?page_id=49

it uses a Thermaltake Toughpower 1500w and 3x Thermaltake PowerExpress 450W

I notice a lot of people over estimate power requirements ...


They answer the power consumption question on their site as well.

http://fastra2.ua.ac.be/?page_id=55#power

6139) Message boards : Number crunching : Is WU validation slowed? (Message 954967)
Posted 15 Dec 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have over 100 WU's completed and awaiting validation is this normal?


It seems that the more tasks you can do the higher your pendings will be. It does make it hard to track the performance or problems on a machine tho.
6140) Message boards : Number crunching : captin' Krunch (Message 954966)
Posted 15 Dec 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
a shaky linux box? (another sign of the endtimes!)

six 295's and one 275...

four power supplies...probably at least 1000watts per...
4000watts...
and they said this thing was "green"


i'd be standing next to the breakers at my house 24/7...


It looks black on my screen :D

If they say green they are probably refering to it's computing per watt. 12TF for probably less then 5KW isn't to shabby.
6141) Message boards : Number crunching : reached daily quota ? (Message 954963)
Posted 15 Dec 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thanks everyone.
I'll run down my cosmology work units while letting SETI recover.
Then when it's all cleared I will reinstall.
Hopefully it'll give me a few WU then.

Nothing is overclocked in this system, just a standard HP XW6600 and GeForce 9600.
So I'll give it a pre-Christmas internal clean too.


I have a stock machine that was jsut spitting out errors left and right one day for no reason. Well it's a dell that is reason enough I guess :D After rebooting it it was fine and hasn't spazzed out again, yet.
6142) Message boards : Number crunching : captin' Krunch (Message 954874)
Posted 15 Dec 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I know whats on my list this year....

Dear Santa,

Have you seen the Frastra II......



But... can it play Solitare?

Seriously, this is even more powerful: Atlas Folder : Fightings Huntingtons Disease with Folding@home.
23 GTX295's! That's power! And they recently added more GPU's to the mix...


Maybe after they fix this:

"Although the system is up and running, we are still experiencing software stability issues, probably caused by an incompatibility between the video drivers and the BIOS and Linux modifications we had to use."

For some reason I'm just thinking of a used car salesman trying to sell a 1980 Lambo. "Yeah it runs, but it doesn't have any wheels & the doors fall off"

Once they get all the bugs worked out it should be pretty sweet tho.
6143) Message boards : Number crunching : Why 6 tasks running? (Message 954865)
Posted 15 Dec 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Who remembers? Probably saw some note here that I didn't understand. Or I've been running SETI for so long it could be an artifact of old requirements. BOINC and SETI both have gone thru a lot of iterations over the years.
Alex


Perhaps an old requirement to get cuda to run or something...
6144) Message boards : Number crunching : reached daily quota ? (Message 954864)
Posted 15 Dec 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I can't have reached daily quota, because I get this error every day, and I have therefore processed no tasks !

What's the best way to reset this, please?

14/12/2009 23:53:13 SETI@home Message from server: No work sent
14/12/2009 23:53:13 SETI@home Message from server: No work is available for SETI@home Enhanced
14/12/2009 23:53:13 SETI@home Message from server: No work is available for Astropulse v5
14/12/2009 23:53:13 SETI@home Message from server: (reached daily quota of 1200 tasks)


14/12/2009 07:34:11 SETI@home Reporting 33 completed tasks, requesting new tasks for GPU
14/12/2009 07:34:21 SETI@home Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks
14/12/2009 07:34:21 SETI@home Message from server: No work sent
14/12/2009 07:34:21 SETI@home Message from server: No work is available for SETI@home Enhanced
14/12/2009 07:34:21 SETI@home Message from server: No work is available for Astropulse v5
14/12/2009 07:34:21 SETI@home Message from server: (reached daily quota of 1200 tasks)


Just having a quick look on your tasks you have had about 700 errored or invalid tasks & also a large number of "-9 result_overflow" tasks.

I'd guess that since these all ran really short that it ate up all of your quota.

I had a machine do this and it took a few days to recover & then it was ok.
6145) Message boards : Number crunching : Why 6 tasks running? (Message 954856)
Posted 14 Dec 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thanks. That was it. Since that was the only entry in the cc_config file, I just deleted it. Working like a champ.

Alex


Now the question is why did you set it in the first place heh
6146) Message boards : Number crunching : Why 6 tasks running? (Message 954855)
Posted 14 Dec 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
12/14/2009 3:24:18 PM Config: use at most 5 CPUs

This shows up when you have entered the number of cpus in your cc_config.xml file.

Unless you want to run 5 tasks on 4 cores you should remove <ncpus>5</ncpus>
6147) Message boards : Number crunching : 'to completion' times grossly overestimated. (Message 954852)
Posted 14 Dec 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I think the optimum is 1.00?
My two computers are showing 0.55 and 0.11 respectively.
- Luke.



My TDCF is 0.168309

The WU's complete in almost the exact time that is shown in the estimate. (within a minute or so, if not exact)

Shouldn't my number be closer to 1.00 then, for being so close?

Just wondering...


1.00 is the default value. The more work your machine can do the lower boinc will make this value.

0.15488 is the value for my 3.0GHz E8400 C2D
0.684242 is the value for my triple Pentium II 400MHz server
6148) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (27) Server problems (Message 954846)
Posted 14 Dec 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
SETI is always a problem.
Cosmology@home doesn't seeem to fail in the same way, I can get CAMB workunits even when communication to SETI fails.
As usual, had to reboot the computer to make it send/receive properly to SETI.

Now I have a shedload (technical term) of CUDA to process, but no CPU units yet.
So all seems OK at the moment.

If you're seeing problems right now (not a few days ago) that a reboot fixes, there are some people that'd really like to know if 6.10.24 fixes it.

If you're grousing about last week, that problem is very likely fixed in 6.10.24, but we won't be able to really tell for sure until it happens again.


Well if they want to test the software I'm game for them causing the error. I imagine most people would just whine.
6149) Message boards : Number crunching : How many client_state.xml files in BOINC folder? (Message 954840)
Posted 14 Dec 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

Thanks!

Yes, on my QX6700 I let run 4x MB and 1x CUDA.
And I used few times the ReSchedule prog.

Hmm.. I could delete this files, or the ReSchedule prog need this files for the next usage?





When I had a cuda card and used reschedule I had lots of these as well. They are ok to delete.

I am unsure why reschedule keep them around. I could understand 1 backup but not 5,000,000.
6150) Message boards : Number crunching : How do I stop 1 CPU core? (Message 954704)
Posted 14 Dec 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I did figure the text on the page "Don't use it to limit the number of CPUs used by BOINC; use general preferences instead." would be enough warning about using that feature.

You specified what lines needed to be set. There are people just setting up a, or adding it to an existing, cc_config.xml file without knowing or caring what it does and who will not follow any link whatsoever to a page they have to read more text on. They just don't seem to have time for all that. It must work now as they want it to, willing or unwilling.

(Edit: Not saying hiamps is one of them! :-))

Yes I am LOL! But I did listen to you.


I'm like that too. "lets see what happens when I do this.... hey where did all of this smoke come from and why is the power off..... and why do I feel the two are realted" :D
6151) Message boards : Number crunching : How do I stop 1 CPU core? (Message 954703)
Posted 14 Dec 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I did figure the text on the page "Don't use it to limit the number of CPUs used by BOINC; use general preferences instead." would be enough warning about using that feature.

You specified what lines needed to be set. There are people just setting up a, or adding it to an existing, cc_config.xml file without knowing or caring what it does and who will not follow any link whatsoever to a page they have to read more text on. They just don't seem to have time for all that. It must work now as they want it to, willing or unwilling.

(Edit: Not saying hiamps is one of them! :-))

Yeah. Next time I should drink coffee then make posts not the other way around. lol
6152) Message boards : Number crunching : How do I stop 1 CPU core? (Message 954642)
Posted 14 Dec 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
You could also set <ncpus>7</ncpus> in your cc_config.xml file.

Please don't give advice like that. That option is for debugging, more precisely to run more tasks than you have CPUs. Just let people use the normal preferences instead. That's way easier to diagnose in case they ever have other problems.


I did figure the text on the page "Don't use it to limit the number of CPUs used by BOINC; use general preferences instead." would be enough warning about using that feature. I should have linked to the boinc manager manual webpage.

Admittedly having the two settings to configure for boinc on the webpage is rather confusing. At least based on the number of people that post about "I changed my cpus to 3 but it's still using 4"
6153) Message boards : Number crunching : Client detached? (Message 954309)
Posted 13 Dec 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
My AVG anti-virus had reported some attacks from a given IP adress. I was not sure if that has anything to do with that, but I have some suspicious. Can anyone detach your client by invading your host? Not a nice thing to do, but I have reasons to think that may happen.... more suspicious now that you guys don´t have a good idea about what its really happen.
Thank you all for your nice advices, I will try to upgrade my BOINC version and software.


If they have the password in gui_rpc_auth.cfg & are listed in your remote_hosts.cfg file, or if they have spoofed one of the hosts & read the password in gui_rpc_auth.cfg. Then they could be able to attach to your machine and change your settings. Also if they are outside of your local network you would need to have port 31416 open.

So yes it could happen, but if someone was going to go though all that effort they would probably setup your machine to run tasks for them.
6154) Message boards : Number crunching : How do I stop 1 CPU core? (Message 954304)
Posted 13 Dec 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
You could also set <ncpus>7</ncpus> in your cc_config.xml file.

If you don't have one then use notepad & put in:
<cc_config>
<options>
<ncpus>2</ncpus>
</options>
</cc_config>
Then save as cc_config.xml

You can get full details about the options for it here.
6155) Message boards : Number crunching : RAC dropping no pending...am I running ghosts? (Message 954082)
Posted 12 Dec 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Looking at the results of the machine you detached. It looks to me like you were still recovering from Sundays outage.
6156) Message boards : Number crunching : Development BOINC 6.10.24 released (Message 954078)
Posted 12 Dec 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
"C:\Programs\seti\boinc_6.10.24_windows_intelx86.exe is not a valid Win32 application"


That is a message you may get if the file you are trying to run is damaged or incomplete. Which can happen when downloading things. This is often when you may see checksum values posted with downloads.
6157) Message boards : Number crunching : Client detached? (Message 954074)
Posted 12 Dec 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I had some tasks come up as detached when I looked at my errors recently. There were 4 listed on host 5212366. At the moment wu id539683996 is the only one left.

I'm not worried about it so much, but I can't figure out what occurred on the machine to have that happen. It was at 9am while I was at work & the machine didn't restart or have any other errors in the event log.
6158) Message boards : Technical News : Back in Town (Dec 07 2009) (Message 953800)
Posted 11 Dec 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
wait.... Matt is a human? awww.... I thought he was some sort of really advanded A.I.


Didn't you realise? - Matt is the E.T.I. we've been searching for all these years.
Talk about hiding in plain sight!

Can't he be both?


Sure that'd be A.E.T.I right?
6159) Message boards : Number crunching : **CLOSED SETI/BOINC Milestones [ v2.0 ] - XIX CLOSED** (Message 953783)
Posted 11 Dec 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Just rolled past 2.5 mil... some days those numbers just seem to fly past.
6160) Message boards : Number crunching : A problem with running BOINC (Message 953778)
Posted 11 Dec 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I would guess the folder that boinc get installed to is only accessible by the under that installed it & admins. Jörg's solution is probably the easiest way. Another option is to edit the folder permissions for the boinc folders, but that can cause windows 7 to warning you about things. *kicks windows 7 stupid security BS*
6161) Message boards : Number crunching : just floating an idea (Message 953776)
Posted 11 Dec 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Yes. What seems really counter-intuitive is that you can actually speed up by slowing down the clients, but it does work.


Sort of like that saying "hurry up & slow down"
6162) Message boards : Number crunching : WU hanging around (Message 953523)
Posted 10 Dec 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Maybe they are just waiting for crimbo... again....
6163) Message boards : Number crunching : Longer Wus (Message 953429)
Posted 9 Dec 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Seems like I am getting longer wus now taking five or six hours to do with credit of over 100. SO I asking are there longer wus since the outtake before it was 3 or 4. Seems like I am back to square one with only WUs done in a day which I did before my optimised version that I was kindly given


The machine I'm using atm is getting 5 hour tasks where average ones run 3-3.5 hours. I've also got a load of shorties, 1.5 hour tasks. All the longer ones are from mr07. So they might all just be higher then average angle tasks.
6164) Message boards : Number crunching : just floating an idea (Message 953421)
Posted 9 Dec 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
or we could all number our computers and on odd numbered mondays cut the oddnumbered machines off and on even numbered mondays cut the evennumbered computers off...

(i'll have another Guinness, barkeep!)

You'd get close by just saying all "even" machines upload/download/report on even days, and all odd machines on odd days.

Because it's not the number of machines crunching, but the effect of all of those crunchers when they all try to report at once.

So, here's an idea....

When a machine goes to connect, about half the time have it just "skip it" based on a random number. Half the time, the updates would "administratively" fail and go back to the retry queue.

In fact, let's give it a number. Take a random number between 0 and 1, and if it is less than some "control" value, actually connect, and if higher, just skip it.

Set that number to 0.1, and 90% of the project load will be reduced, transfers and reports will complete quickly, and eventually all of the work gets through promptly.

Publish the value, let's call it "p" so that the project can raise it when they aren't overloaded, and lower it when loading is heavy.

Just a way to slow the BOINC clients down when times are bad, and speed things up when plenty of bandwidth and server time is available.

It's called p-Persistence. It's in most good networking books, but usually applied at a lower level.

The big issue is: how to publish the value of "p"....


So something along the lines of what they want to do with this smart grid tech. "Power grid is at max, set the flag so smart devices know not to turn on or may power off."
6165) Message boards : Number crunching : Costs and Benefits (Watts and Credits) (Message 953418)
Posted 9 Dec 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Is there a large difference in power consumption between desktop and mobile chipsets?


Looks like the mobile PM55 is rated at 3.5w while the desktop P55 is rated for 4.7w.

For a notebook the 1.2w diff might be another 20-30m of battery life. For your desktop 1.2w less power is about 10.5kwh a year (if your computer runs 24/7) or almost $2.00 USD at my energy pricing.
6166) Message boards : Number crunching : Beginner's guide to improving performance (Message 953415)
Posted 9 Dec 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
To verify the optimized apps are running open task manager & select the processes tab. It should be the 2nd one. Then look for "AK_v8_win_SSE3.exe" (or something like) that instead of "setiathome_6.03_windows_intelx86.exe" running.

EDIT: or like Sutaru Tsureku said that's good too :)


Thank you for the tip, just tried looking for the "AK_v8_win_SSE3.exe" process, its not running,

Below is a screen grab of the processes running, anything else I should do or am missing for Lunatic to work, I did use CPUZ, and followed the instructions by allowing the maximum instruction levels allowed for the Quad 6600, and tick marked cuda as well as the GPU is cuda capable.



This may seem like a silly question, but do you currently have any tasks to process? If you don't then that could be one, of several, reasons you don't see it there.

If you open the BOIONC Manger > Select Advanced > Select the tasks tab. Then you can see any tasks you have on your computer.

Once it is all working you will be able to see soemthing like this.
6167) Message boards : Technical News : Back in Town (Dec 07 2009) (Message 953413)
Posted 9 Dec 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Cheers for the update Matt. With all this work at hand I reckon you were bursting to get out of there for a bit. You're human just like all of us and deserve some kind of a breather.

-- Tom :-)


wait.... Matt is a human? awww.... I thought he was some sort of really advanded A.I.
6168) Message boards : Number crunching : Beginner's guide to improving performance (Message 953208)
Posted 8 Dec 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
You can start by grabbing the lunatics optimized apps here

Grab either of these depending on if you use 64 bit windows or regular 32 bit.
Win32 Lunatics' Unified Installer v0.2
Win64 Lunatics' Unified Installer v0.2

Before you start the installation for that you will want to know details about which optimized app to select.

For that you will want to get CPUID's CPU-Z application here

Unzip it and run the exe.

The info we want is the line that says 'Instructions' MMX, SSE, SSE2 and what not. You want to know which is the highest level you have.

Stop BOINC Manager and stop processing science.

Run the lunatics installer "Lunatics_Win32v0.2_AP505r168_AKv8b_CudaV12.exe" or "Lunatics_Win64v0.2_(SSE3+)_AP505r168_AKv8bx64_CudaV12.exe" for 64 bit.

When you get to the "select applications" section choose the highest level listed that was displayed in the CPU-Z application.

Follow the onscreen steps in in the installer and when your are done you should have the optimized applications installed and ready to go.

Restart BOINC or reboot and you should be good.



Thats a great overview you have added there, I have followed the Lunatic installation steps on my Quad 6600 with GeForce 8800 GT running on Vista. How would I know that lunatic is installed and working! Any way one can check? Thanks


To verify the optimized apps are running open task manager & select the processes tab. It should be the 2nd one. Then look for "AK_v8_win_SSE3.exe" (or something like) that instead of "setiathome_6.03_windows_intelx86.exe" running.

EDIT: or like Sutaru Tsureku said that's good too :)
6169) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (27) Server problems (Message 953058)
Posted 7 Dec 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
its sorta up...lol


Guys, lets be a bit more collegial.
There is enough real drama in the universe...
do we really need it here?


To seek out new life..... and argue with it!
6170) Message boards : Number crunching : Turbo Boost and SETI@home? (Message 953056)
Posted 7 Dec 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
For the 9xx Core i7's Intel states:
"1/1/1/2 are the available frequency bins (+133 MHz)of Intel® Turbo Boost Technology that are available for 4, 3, 2, 1 active cores respectively."

So I read that to say a 2.66Ghz Core i7 may run 4, 3, or 2 cores at 2.8Ghz, or it may run a single core at 2.93Ghz

For the Core i5's & the 8xx Core i7's they explicitly state the values for the # of cores.
2.66Ghz Core i5-750
"Maximum Intel® Turbo Boost Technology frequency per core - 4 core: 2.80 GHz, 3 core: 2.80 GHz, 2 core: 3.20 GHz; 1 core: 3.20 GHz"
2.93GHz Core i7-870
Maximum Intel® Turbo Boost Technology frequency per core - 4 core: 3.20 GHz, 3 core: 3.20 GHz, 2 core: 3.46 GHz; 1 core: 3.60 GHz

Personally I'd disable this and simply overclock the system to a stable level.
6171) Message boards : Number crunching : Costs and Benefits (Watts and Credits) (Message 953050)
Posted 7 Dec 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
From my observations mobile CPUS in a desktop configuration seem to have the best RAC/Watt compared to their equivalent desktop CPUs. However, the cost of the parts upfront is higher.

I can tell you that when I upgraded my main home system to a Core2 from an older Pentium4 was a good move. Lower power draw in the new system & it looks like 4-5 times the computing power for S@H.
6172) Message boards : Number crunching : The Pending Credits dance.....again? (Message 952603)
Posted 5 Dec 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
JUST an FYI. i was checking to see why my RAC went down, it looks like the credit granted went from 114 to 31 per cuda. i really could careless about that. i would be happy with one to one( like the old days).

Dunno if that represents a change in credits awarded, or just a change in the angle range of the WUs being crunched.

Currently, the ol' RAC is down to 108,841, and the pendings are up to 423,451.


Wow just changing 8% seems like a lot when you are cranking out over 100,000RAC. I've seen individual machines of mine change 60% from week to week but generally my total RAC only changes about 10-15%
6173) Message boards : Number crunching : crappy bleeping yesterday!!! (Message 952600)
Posted 5 Dec 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Well, it's about 20f outside here now, and the living room (kitty crunching den) is still holding at 76f....
Still haven't turned the furnace on.


I know the feeling. Although it just dipped down to 69F on the thermostat. With the snow we have scheduled for Saturday I might actually have to turn some heat on. lol
6174) Message boards : Number crunching : Credit? (Message 952599)
Posted 5 Dec 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
10,000,000 credits a month gets you a sizable electric bill.
6175) Message boards : Number crunching : Why are there hidden computers all over SETI@Home? (Message 952127)
Posted 4 Dec 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
When I was showing my boss-man how it all worked he was said it was fine to run it on the work boxes so long as nothing about them was shown online. Then once it was understood that no private data was displayed. It was OK for me to unhide them.
6176) Message boards : Number crunching : Crunching Nirvana (Message 952125)
Posted 4 Dec 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
It would be exciting to have a 3rd mainstream CPU manufacturer.

Skynet?


Sky net is actually the machine name of one of the computers in a Nebraska U.S. Air force weather monitoring facility. So not exactly knowing the us government is running sky net right now.
6177) Message boards : Number crunching : The Pending Credits dance.....again? (Message 951788)
Posted 2 Dec 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I think everything looks normal to me.



Some days she is up & some days she is down.
6178) Message boards : Number crunching : No Usable GPUs Found (Message 951641)
Posted 2 Dec 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Does your video card meet the requirements?
6179) Message boards : Number crunching : NEZ - The truth behind the credits... finally revealed. (Message 951639)
Posted 2 Dec 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I sleep sometimes ;) but my computers run all the time -
if I have HDD space I can download torrents non-stop (I really upload non-stop more than 100 torrents now).

As a rule of thumb, 5% of the users in a given area use 95% of the bandwidth.

That can put your provider in the awkward spot of buying more, expensive bandwidth, or enforcing their Terms of Service.


I aim for using 150% of my ISPs bandwidth :D
6180) Message boards : Number crunching : Win 7 Black Screen of Death (Message 951636)
Posted 2 Dec 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
As I use a blank black desktop I have seen a "black screen" whenever Explorer doesn't feel like loading, or crashes....
6181) Message boards : Number crunching : "GPU" in stats page misleading. (Message 951634)
Posted 2 Dec 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
BOINC displays all of your cards as whatever your pirmary card is, or soemthing sorta like that. So yes you could have your primary GPU as the lowest end CUDA card and then 3 of that fastest things on the planet. Then everyone would wonder how those old cards as so fast.


Hey I like that idea....EDIT, next time I take my machine apart I will have the fastest 9600GSO's out there....LOL


or you could pickup and old GeForce 8400 GS for your primary.
6182) Message boards : Number crunching : WIN7 update stopped CUDA (Message 951632)
Posted 2 Dec 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Running the windows experience index would cause the cuda tasks to end with computation error.

I suppose you should run WEI on an idle computer, otherwise the readings could probably be wrong and I wouldn't be surprised if the CUDA-WU is scrambled up with an error as result.


I have run with with just CPU tasks running on several machines w/o any issues while S@H was running. Never seemed to effect the score. I imagine as the CPU benchmark test is running at a higher priority then Low. I haven't tried it in a while as the only machine I had with a CUDA card now has an ATI card in it.
6183) Message boards : Number crunching : NEZ - The truth behind the credits... finally revealed. (Message 951460)
Posted 1 Dec 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Depending on the pecking order. As the admin he could have been his call to install/run the software.
Buying equipment that was beyond what the school may have needed (spending more tax payer money then needed) is really the only issue I would see.
6184) Message boards : Number crunching : WIN7 update stopped CUDA (Message 951458)
Posted 1 Dec 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
When I was running the seti on a CUDA card, a few version of BOINC ago, and with an older version of CUDA. Running the windows experience index would cause the cuda tasks to end with computation error.
6185) Message boards : Number crunching : "GPU" in stats page misleading. (Message 951454)
Posted 1 Dec 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
BOINC displays all of your cards as whatever your pirmary card is, or soemthing sorta like that. So yes you could have your primary GPU as the lowest end CUDA card and then 3 of that fastest things on the planet. Then everyone would wonder how those old cards as so fast.
6186) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (26) Server problems (Message 951173)
Posted 30 Nov 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
As I was saying to Ned a couple of days ago, there are two separate branches to the problem, and hence two different 'workround' requirements.

In my opinion (and with 15 years of "IP works, or I don't eat" I think it's a solid opinion) these are just different sides of the same problem.

We can trace through the DNS issue pretty well. I can probably see more of it than most because when I say "my ISP" I mean my ISP -- I'm one of the owners.

I can follow the DNS through every server to my workstation.

It looks like BOINC (probably through a libcurl bug) caches the DNS result (which it got through a call to gethostbyname() so it doesn't know the TTL).


Looks like it doesn't support it at all.

11/30/2009 3:08:07 PM [http_debug] HTTP_OP::libcurl_exec(): ca-bundle set
11/30/2009 3:08:07 PM [http_debug] [ID#0] info: timeout on name lookup is not supported


It would still be nice if someone could confirm that BOINC used one IP, that ping had a different IP, and net stop boinc/net start boinc made them use the same IP.

6187) Message boards : Number crunching : No Astropulse atm (Message 951160)
Posted 30 Nov 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

Boinc sees my gpu, so maybe I could get seti@home units to work on it ?


If you get that going, let everyone else know.
6188) Message boards : Number crunching : Crunching / Gaming Computer Build 2010 (Message 951076)
Posted 30 Nov 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
@Fred:
Good to know the onboard audio is good from a Asus motherboard. I've removed the sound card from the list. :).

@Sutaru Tsureku
Nice! Does it support dual monitors? If it doesn't, I cannot go with it, but if it does, I am more than happy to buy it.

@HAL9000
Good idea. I won't go with it for my main drive, because I am a movie junkie and store lots of HD, but I have added it as a product I might buy in the future for an upgrade!


My old computer was a 74GB raptor for the main system drive. Then 4 320GB drives striped.

This time I just went with 3 1TB drives striped & carved out an OS, storage, & swap partition from the single volume.
6189) Message boards : Number crunching : Crunching / Gaming Computer Build 2010 (Message 950990)
Posted 30 Nov 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
You may wish to look into a WD VelociRaptor for your main system drive. When I build my new system I choose to go with standard 1tb drives in a stripe raid configuration instead of a new raptor as I had in my old system. I think this was a bit of a mistake on my part. So to make it up to myself I've planning to get a pair of 150gb VelociRaptor drives sometime after the holidays.
6190) Message boards : Number crunching : Result still waiting for validation (Message 950985)
Posted 30 Nov 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
It's probably one of the few that slips though the cracks. There was a thread a few weeks where people had posted tacks that seemed complete but were unvalidated like that.
6191) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (26) Server problems (Message 950660)
Posted 29 Nov 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
if all else fails just a good ole.

net stop dnscache
6192) Message boards : Technical News : Take a Break (Nov 26 2009) (Message 949968)
Posted 26 Nov 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The power demands of 100,000's of oven being turned on today must have taken out the power in Hurricane's equipment.

Have a good holiday everyone :)
6193) Message boards : Number crunching : CPU/ATI GPU hybrid AstroPulse for Windows released (Message 949795)
Posted 25 Nov 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
thanks claggy,but thats where i got it from, but there is no mention that i can see that this is x64 it seems its only x86


It is only x86 at the moment.
The link in the release notes to the supported cards list displays what cards do not support double precision floating point operations.

the no double exe is for the cards that do not support the feature.
6194) Message boards : Number crunching : Server problem or my PC..? (Message 949794)
Posted 25 Nov 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I upload my seti work once a day and have never had this problem..

11/24/2009 5:36:03 PM SETI@home Reporting 143 completed tasks, not requesting new tasks
11/24/2009 5:36:40 PM SETI@home Scheduler request completed
11/24/2009 5:36:40 PM SETI@home Message from server: Completed result 04ap07aa.17596.561374.10.10.103_2 refused: result already reported as success

So am guessing that that I somehow just lost 24 hours of work..?


If you look at the tasks for the computer that processed these you can see their status. Tho there some delay between what you see on the website & what is actually in the database.
6195) Message boards : Number crunching : Stripped down Linux/Boinc setup? (Message 949633)
Posted 25 Nov 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
There is a stripped down linux build that is part of a nt password recovery tool I often use. It's rather tiny. Fits on a 1.4mb floppy actually. Disk drivers are loaded from a 2nd floppy if needed. You might be able to use that as a starting point then just add anything else you would need.
6196) Message boards : Number crunching : CPU/ATI GPU hybrid AstroPulse for Windows released (Message 949628)
Posted 25 Nov 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hmmm useing the graphic card for seti mmmm not thought out well funny all these comments about gpu's causeing performance problems wonder why !!!!! Only 1 way to fix it boys pay heaps of money for a card that has 2 or more cuda cores or ATI"S gpu's if ATI make any .No worrys those boffins at berkly will come up with anouther way to try and blow up your computer . And to think CPU's are fast and there was a time when you could still use your computer and do seti units without the computer slowing down so much you can't use it , alas those days are gone after all us user are only numbers and we are all rich that we can pay big bucks for special cards with multiple cuda cores and replace our computers ever six months.......!!!!!


Strange attitude at least. No one forces you do do this, really no one but you yourself


and the voices in my head :)
6197) Message boards : Number crunching : With all the servers Berkeley must have... (Message 949302)
Posted 23 Nov 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I wondered this myself, but came to the conclusion that it's a bunch of extra effort to have a separate box just to run a message board DB. While it would be nice to have the website up with static data or have the message board up. I'd rather the guys spend their time on project tasks.
6198) Message boards : Number crunching : Is there a way to make client report units? (Message 949240)
Posted 23 Nov 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Actually I have 2 machines set to no tasks and they have no monitors attached. Once they get done with all the units they have they will be formatted and goto new homes. It is a pain to take a monitor to a machine hoping it is done to find it just hasn't reported for 6 hours. It would be handy about now.

Speaking of this, for anyone, put a copy of Real VNC on the machine and just log on to see your screen. Although it doesn't look like the free edition supports Vista.


The free version will work in vista & windows 7, but not in service mode. I just add the user mode to the startup for the machine and it works fine.
6199) Message boards : Number crunching : Is there a way to make client report units? (Message 949159)
Posted 23 Nov 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Actually I have 2 machines set to no tasks and they have no monitors attached. Once they get done with all the units they have they will be formatted and goto new homes. It is a pain to take a monitor to a machine hoping it is done to find it just hasn't reported for 6 hours. It would be handy about now.


Two easy ways to run remote headless boxen for crunching..
1. Remote control software, like VNC. It's free and works well.
2. BOINC has a build in way to connect to other machines running. So you can see what they are doing.
6200) Message boards : Number crunching : CPU/ATI GPU hybrid AstroPulse for Windows released (Message 948716)
Posted 21 Nov 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hmmm, CPU-Z and Intel Processor ID Utility both state my cpu has SSE3, but Boinc Manager says only SSE2 in it's start up messages. Is BM broken or just doesn't care about SSE3?

BM 6.10.19:
2009-11-20 12:36:17 PM Processor: 0 GenuineIntel Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.00GHz [x86 Family 15 Model 4 Stepping 3]
2009-11-20 12:36:17 PM Processor: 2.00 MB cache
2009-11-20 12:36:17 PM Processor features: fpu tsc pae nx sse sse2 mmx

CPU-Z version 1.52.2:
Instructions sets MMX, SSE, SSE2, SSE3, EM64T


BOINC only reports what the operating system says it has.

CPU-Z actually polls the CPU itself for the information.


I love how windows reports some of my systems as having 0kB of cache. That one freaked me out when I first saw it. Thought I had some machines with dead cache.
6201) Message boards : Number crunching : CPU/ATI GPU hybrid AstroPulse for Windows released (Message 948599)
Posted 20 Nov 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I guessing with a name like ap_5.05_win_x86_SSE3_BROOK_r280.exe this requires a CPU that has SSE3 support? I was looking at this to run on one of my old boxen with an ATI 3850, 5004381, but since it's an older P4 only has SSE2.
Always figure it's better to ask before sticking it in and gettting failed wu's.


Yes, it's SSE3 and up only app.
I'm aware that some older AMD Athlons 64 with SSE2-only but PCI-E bus exist.
So, there are some P4s too. Will see maybe it's worth to do SSE2 (actually, SSE) build too.


Thanks for the info!

The machine I'm using is actually using an AGP 3850 card from sapphire. I was unable to find any P4 socket 478 motherboards that had PCI-E. So, I built a new computer. I keep this one to play media on TV now.

Demand for a non-SSE3 version may be very low due to people upgrading their computer just to crunch I would guess.
6202) Message boards : Number crunching : Hardware noob (Message 948596)
Posted 20 Nov 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Another option is to get a new PSU with all the correct connectors on it. A lot of the ones that are built for SLI/Crossfire have separate power rails for each PCIe connector.
6203) Message boards : Number crunching : Hardware noob (Message 948325)
Posted 19 Nov 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I would read the video card instructions first before installing that adapter. My ATi card comes with the adapter in the box but the instructions explicitly tell you to never hook that card up with that adaptor. again check your papers


I got adapters with my ATI card too. I then they mean you shouldn't use the adapters if you have the correct connector, but if you don't here is an adaptor to use.

Score one for great documentation!
6204) Message boards : Number crunching : Hardware noob (Message 948322)
Posted 19 Nov 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
GREAT!! Thx a lot!

....but: I'll need two other cables to connect to the gpu, right?
sorry for being such a noob... ;)


Yeah, you will need a few free standard connectors for the adapter. Generally they give you way more of those then you can ever use.
6205) Message boards : Number crunching : Hardware noob (Message 948319)
Posted 19 Nov 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
You just need a PCIe power adapter cable.
6206) Message boards : Number crunching : 15 tasks downloaded - running at HIgh Priority (Message 948232)
Posted 19 Nov 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
If your value for "Connected about every XX days" is beyond or near the due date your tasks will also always run in high priority mode.
6207) Message boards : Number crunching : CPU/ATI GPU hybrid AstroPulse for Windows released (Message 948192)
Posted 19 Nov 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I guessing with a name like ap_5.05_win_x86_SSE3_BROOK_r280.exe this requires a CPU that has SSE3 support? I was looking at this to run on one of my old boxen with an ATI 3850, 5004381, but since it's an older P4 only has SSE2.
Always figure it's better to ask before sticking it in and gettting failed wu's.
6208) Message boards : Number crunching : Sony PlayStation 3 for work? (Message 947602)
Posted 16 Nov 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thanks for the links I think you all saved me $300 bucks as I was thinking of up grading to one, bummer. The spec. on it looked promising .
Thanks for the reply's
Greg


If you want it just for crunching I think you could get more set@home crunching power out of a $300 PC. For about $500-600 you could make a media PC with a blu-ray drive in it if you were still wanting to have a blu-ray player that crunches.
6209) Message boards : Number crunching : Sony PlayStation 3 for work? (Message 946952)
Posted 13 Nov 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
It seems it runs, but not exactly quickly.
Free had made a post a while ago about how slow it seemed to be.
6210) Message boards : Number crunching : *CLOSED SETI/BOINC Milestones (tm) XVIII /CLOSED* (Message 946951)
Posted 13 Nov 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Just noticed I rolled over 2,000,000 seti@home cobblestone sometime over night.
Here it to 2,000,000 more!
6211) Message boards : Number crunching : PC technology becomes obsolete fast (Message 946121)
Posted 9 Nov 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Computers = never ending money pit.

I only upgraded from a P4 3GHz system to a C2D E8400 this summer. For a time I had spent money to buy things when they first came out, but it doesn't make sense for the most part anymore.

For 99.99999% of the things I do I don't need the latest and greatest hardware. The only reason I upgraded my old computer was to have a more energy efficient one.
6212) Message boards : Number crunching : new computer (Message 945458)
Posted 6 Nov 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thank you for your help. my mistake, directory was hidden. file put in right directory now. boinc sees file but has this...

11/6/2009 11:22:35 AM Missing start tag in cc_config.xml


this is the file i copied and paste from other threads

<cc_config>
<options>
<use_all_gpus>1</use_all_gpus>
</options>
</cc_config>


I copied your config and made a cc_config.xml and BOINC was ok with it. I did use notepad to make the file. I am unsure if there might be some other data saved in the file as you had stated you saved it as rtf before. Meaning you probably used wordpad.

Also here is the list of features you can use in the cc_config.xml
http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Client_configuration
6213) Message boards : Number crunching : PC shutting off (Message 945293)
Posted 5 Nov 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Saw the machine was offline this morning as its MSN account wasn't logged onto my MSN. Wasn't able to get to it till this evening. Was ON but had REBOOTED as was at logon screen. So SOMETHING is interfering somehow. Am now trying it for 24 hours OFFLINE...


Did you confirm the machine rebooted & not just the current user being logged out? Depending on on your update settings you might have gotten an update that needed to reboot your machine, or also an update that is causing the problem. Is the PC that is having the issue on an ups. So that power problems can be ruled out? I once lost a PSU in a machine due to a faulty breaker arcing.
6214) Message boards : Number crunching : Switching to 64 bit. What do I need to do? (Message 944839)
Posted 3 Nov 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I'm looking at updating a bunch on Windows XP (32 bit) machines to Windows 7 (64 bit). They are all dedicated crunchers. Most have nvidia cards, except one which has an ATI.

On my checklist of things to do, in no particular order, I have:

1. Get 64 bit OS
2. Get 64 bit nvidia drivers (or ATI catalyst)
3. Get 64 bit cuda 2.3 DLL's
4. Get 64 bit BOINC
5. Get 64 bit optimised multibeam (AK v8b) app
6. Get 64 bit optimised astropulse 505 app
7. Get 64 bit optimised cuda multibeam app

Now what do I need to change in my app_info? Presumably all I need to change is the .exe and .dll names as appropiate. What about the <platform> tag?

Is it worth the effort of changing the optimised apps to 64 bit at all? Wouldn't it be easier just to keep running the 32 bit apps? Can you even run 32 bit cuda apps with a 64 bit OS?


As you will be using the optimised apps the version of BOINC you install doesn't really matter. I'm running the x86 boinc with x64 optimised apps on some machiens & others have the x64 boinc with x64 optimised apps.

You can use the lunitics installer to make all the currect changes to your appinfo file, or just change the file names listed in it. Below is the SSE3 optimised app for example.
<file_name>AK_v8_win_SSE3.exe</file_name> <--x86 App
<file_name>AK_v8_win_x64_SSE3.exe</file_name> <--x64 App
6215) Message boards : Number crunching : Deal or No Deal? (Message 944625)
Posted 2 Nov 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
That's not a bad machine & depending on postage could be pretty cheap as well.
I have two machines running that are E6000's. An E6400 & E6300. They run about 1800 and 1600 RAC respectivly.
6216) Message boards : Number crunching : going green...well sorta.. (Message 944617)
Posted 2 Nov 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
So what you're saying is that an older computer, which is designed to turn electricty into calculations, but throws out waste heat as a by-product, is actually more efficient in keeping you warm than your main heating system, which was (presumably) designed purely to turn electricity directly into heat. I suppose that the computer(s) produce heat more directly where you need it, whereas the heating syatem is designed to keep the whole house warm?

Otherwise - you probably have a claim against the designer/manufacture/installer of your heating sysem - it's obviously not as efficient as it should or could be!


The condo I live in is 30+ years old. This system just has big wire heating coils that get air blown over them. So the computers waste heat as a heating device is probably more efficent...

It's not that it is really being kept warm so much as it's just not cold. I'm sure once it gets cold & the heat is on I'll still have $400+/mo electric bills. I'll just feel better about it is part of that is comming from something useful.
6217) Message boards : Number crunching : going green...well sorta.. (Message 944615)
Posted 2 Nov 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Find a way to turn that heat back into electrical energy... and you'll be a millionaire overnight!


A peltier element will generate electrical energy if you heat one side and cool the other. However they are not the most efficent at it. Using waste heat to make hot water would probably be more efficent.
6218) Message boards : Number crunching : going green...well sorta.. (Message 944610)
Posted 2 Nov 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
As it has gotten cooler I have powered on some of my older machines at home. With the extra amount of heat from running seti@home my thermostat is still in the off position. This week is 50's F for the highs & 40's F for the lows. A few weeks ago it was around the same temps & I was keeping over 70F in my home.

My electric bill for October, I'm 100% electric, is about 15% less then it was last year when I was using the heat. The bill says the average temp is 2 degrees lower and currently the cost per KW/h is more. So it's looking like win win so far. :D
6219) Message boards : Number crunching : Not sending new work? (Message 943841)
Posted 30 Oct 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
10/30/2009 7:09:20 AM SETI@home Sending scheduler request: To fetch work.
10/30/2009 7:09:20 AM SETI@home Requesting new tasks
10/30/2009 7:09:26 AM SETI@home Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks
10/30/2009 7:09:26 AM SETI@home Message from server: (Project has no jobs available)


It says it has results-ready-to-send, but isn't sending them. I've reset the project and still no go. And yes, I'll take non-Astropulse and no, I'm not loaded up with other projects on this PC. Last completed one uploaded yesterday.


http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_forum.php?id=21
6220) Message boards : Number crunching : problem with activity suspend (Message 943671)
Posted 29 Oct 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
thanks alot,
can be that solution, because i remove bnctray application from startup.
there is any way to hide that icon ?


You can install boinc as a service. Then it will run w/o user intervention. Even with no one logged into to windows.
6221) Message boards : Number crunching : BOINC Debt Question (Message 941863)
Posted 22 Oct 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I hear the darkside has cookies. So I'll go with evil.
6222) Message boards : Number crunching : Cuda and optimized Seti apps (Message 941862)
Posted 22 Oct 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Forgive me if this has been asked before...

Will the GPU app run if you are running an optimized Seti app from lunatics? I have a Q6700 CPU running 4 instances of optimized Seti. My GPU is recognized, but I cannot tell that it is running. I see no evidence of it.


If you used the lunatics install application you have to select a checkbox for it to install the optimized cuda application if I remember correctly.

If you open the advanced view you will be able to tell if any cuda tasks are running. Select the "tasks" tab and then look for an application called "setiathome_enhanced 6.08" the ones that say "setiathome_enhanced 6.03" are running on the cpu. I like to select the "progress" tab and sort so the most complete tasks are at the top.

6223) Message boards : Number crunching : How much power ? (Message 941860)
Posted 22 Oct 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Just curious how much more 'juice' does my system use with Seti running vs at idle?

Dell XPS 400 with a 375w PSU
Intel Pentium D @ 3.6
EVGA Nvidia 9600 GT KO

Esentially 1 WU gets done by the CPU and 1 by the card at all times. Without buying one of those meters I was curious if there was a 'rough' way to guess at how much more 'juice' it uses?

Thanks!


Simple answer... no. I can provide you with data from one of my machines I measured and it might give you an idea.

My 3Ghz P4 system idles right around 110w. With 2 seti@home tasks running, this is HT not dual core, the power draw goes up to about 170w.

So that alone is like having a 60w light bulb on while seti is running.

There are 2 different versions of the P4 D 3.6Ghz chip. SL9AP & SL9K7 Each might preform a little different.

Maybe saying 30% to 60% more power with seti running might be a really rough estimate for your case.
6224) Message boards : Number crunching : What is a good backup program these days? (Message 941376)
Posted 19 Oct 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I still use ghost. I've just made it into a boot cd instead of a floppy tho. If you have an old 32mb flash drive that works a treat too for booting.
6225) Message boards : Number crunching : Laptop out performing Desktop! (Message 940491)
Posted 16 Oct 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The amds being slower surprised me as well when I saw how far apart the preformance was. For a comparison here are two of the machines I have running that are counterparts of eachother. They are Dell Optiplex 740 & 745 systems. The difference being one model is intel the other amd. Even with the slightly higher clock the amd is about half the speed of the intel system for running seti. INTEL vs AMD
6226) Message boards : Number crunching : What causes this drop? (Message 939884)
Posted 14 Oct 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Doing a quick look at the stats tab over most of my machines it looks like 30% is pretty average. A few of my mahcines vary as much as 50% over a month and others as little at 15%. The ones that really confuse me are where it will drop the 30% in 2 days then go back up over the following 3 weeks.

But it does look like the faster the machine the higher the variance. The slower machines look more like a square wave on the graph. Where the faster ones are a sawtooth wave that jumps all over the place.

6227) Message boards : Number crunching : OC'ing - how much to expect ? (Message 939655)
Posted 13 Oct 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
How does one overclock the video card? I have a 8800GTX. I'm familure with CPU overclocking but never thought about overclocking the GPU. Is there an app that makes it easy? I'd be overjoyed to get another 8% out of it!! TIA


I use the Nvidia tools myself. Here is a link to the current version.
6228) Message boards : Number crunching : can't reach Lunatics (Message 939654)
Posted 13 Oct 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Error Code 10061: Connection refused
6229) Message boards : Number crunching : Turn off Hyperthreading, Windows7 RC, Pentium4 (Message 939653)
Posted 13 Oct 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I just checked a machine with a 3GHz HT P4 and a machine with dual 2.8GHz HT Xeon. Using the Windows 7 RC, x86 & x84 versions, both machines displayed the correct number of cpus with HT enabled. There might be some diffrent way for detecting HT in Windows 7 that your motherboard isn't supplying info for. If manually changing your HAL to the ACPI multiprocessor doesn't work then you might need a bios update.
6230) Message boards : Number crunching : Pondering Stealth Results (Message 939111)
Posted 11 Oct 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
A week into be Jocelyn-less, I'm wondering what work-arounds people have to view the results of their crunched work units.

Issue is, even when Jocelyn comes back, probably 75% of your own results for the week will have already been cleaned off the reporting database, so we won't be able to browse granularly the points, check error WU's, drill down into triplet & gaussian counts, etc. Only the WU's where Wingmen haven't reported, or were reported in the previous 24h will be viewable.

Ideally (inside Boinc), the property page of completed & uploaded WU's would list some of this stuff, before actual reporting takes place (which we can optionally control anyhow), but it seems the data isn't really in the "_0" files. (Too bad the Boinc standard didn't accomodate a <summary><\summary> freeform field).

I looked at the descriptions of BoincSpy and BoincWatch, but they don't sound like they do what I'm after, which is to approximately duplicate the results page locally minus all aspects of the wingman (afterall, the data was more-or-less here and processed in the first place, and yes I do know misc validation, calculations, & analysis do take place server side -- and that your local view isn't necessarily what the Server will grant either).

Cheers.


Have you tried BoincView? It has a logging function as well. Altho I am unsure if it records the data you are wanting.
6231) Message boards : Number crunching : Pending Credit? (Message 938427)
Posted 8 Oct 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
how can one know what thier pending credit is to begin with? Finding out is not being allowed anymore!

It's only turned off temporarily until the database troubles get sorted....
Matt said he 'might' turn it back on today.
If not, we might have to wait until after next Tuesday's outage...but it will be back.


I think that they should keep the link there and have it open a message that says "This function relies on the replica database server. Which is currently offline. Please check the Technical News postings for more information."

I think it should be possible for a link to disappear and not have people assume that is "disallowed" instead of temporarily down for technical reasons.


I would too. Except whenever it does occur ther are always a few new thread about it, when it occured the week before and 5 other people asked the same question.
6232) Message boards : Number crunching : CPU Thermal Compound, Recommendations (Message 938399)
Posted 8 Oct 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Sometime ago there was a discussion about what CPU Thermal Compound was the best to use. Can someone recommend a type or brand to use?

Thanks,
Yank


33-Way Thermal Interface Material Comparison
Link


That is a nice review. However, I didn't see them state the numbers for the stock configuration ofthe intel thermal pad. That would have been nice. Also if they had used a static thermal load like many of the heatsink testers use, but it's hard to be picky when someone else is willing to do all the effort. heh
6233) Message boards : Number crunching : Pending Credit? (Message 938394)
Posted 8 Oct 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
how can one know what thier pending credit is to begin with? Finding out is not being allowed anymore!

It's only turned off temporarily until the database troubles get sorted....
Matt said he 'might' turn it back on today.
If not, we might have to wait until after next Tuesday's outage...but it will be back.


I think that they should keep the link there and have it open a message that says "This function relies on the replica database server. Which is currently offline. Please check the Technical News postings for more information."
6234) Message boards : Number crunching : Pending Credit? (Message 938337)
Posted 8 Oct 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
BTW......Is it normal to have hundreds of completed tasks pending credit?


My pending credit generally runs about 40,000-50,000 credits. Most of the tasks are 85 or 100 some odd credits. So that comes to 400-500 pending tasks. Which seems to be pretty normal.
6235) Message boards : Number crunching : CPU Thermal Compound, Recommendations (Message 938312)
Posted 8 Oct 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
There have been countless tests showing different results for the same thermal compounds over the years.

Someone will test compounds A B C D and their data will show B is the best. Then someone else will test the same ones and their data will show D is the best.

6236) Message boards : Number crunching : Link Please ... (Message 937782)
Posted 5 Oct 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thx much, I began to catch on right after I posted, made an edit, then saw your confirmation.


I expect we might see it agian wed as tomorrow is maint night.
6237) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (25) Server problems (Message 937778)
Posted 5 Oct 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
On the status page it sometimes shows that Jocelyn is running but is in an 'offline' state. When this is the case, does the replica database update itself or is it in stasis?


If you mena the section on the right that shows "Replica seconds behind master Offline "

That is normaly when the replica isn't doing updates to the pages as the two servers are syncing up. That or it was jsut nor turned back on after whatever happened.
6238) Message boards : Number crunching : Link Please ... (Message 937777)
Posted 5 Oct 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I see the nicer Pending link is gone from the "Your Preferences" page (the one that provides a total).

Perhaps the script is still there under the covers. Anyone have their relative link as a shortcut or in their cache? Thx.


That normaly gets turned off when the master and replica db's are syncing. It should show up agian once we have recovered from whatever happened over the weekend.
6239) Message boards : Number crunching : Coming Soon Core i9 (Message 937397)
Posted 2 Oct 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The i9's are planned for Q2 2010 & the 8 core xeons are planned for Q1 2010. The i9 is rumered to be around $1500, but we will not really know until it hits the street.
6240) Message boards : Number crunching : 32b vs 64b (Message 937390)
Posted 2 Oct 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have two servers of almost the same configuration both running 2008 x64. One has 4GB of ram the other 1GB. The one with 1Gb of ram is running AK_v8_win_SSE3.exe. The other with 4GB is running AK_v8_win_x64_SSE3.exe. For some time the machine running the x86 application(AK_v8_win_SSE3.exe) has had a higher RAC. About 5% over the one running the x64 application.

While not i7 processors like you had asked, they are dual Xeon CPU systems with HT runnign 4 tasks at once, it is an intresting result. Having the x64 OS gives you the option to run either application, while the x86 OS does not.
6241) Message boards : Number crunching : Could BOINC app be written for Iphones? (Message 937203)
Posted 1 Oct 2009 by Profile HAL9000
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ati support should clearly be a priority

I doubt that SETI@Home has heavy resources to devote to either platform, so the one that gets done first will likely be the one where a volunteer steps forward.


I volunteer to nod aprovingly at any project that allows more processing power to be harvested.
6242) Message boards : Number crunching : Win 7 Upgrade (Message 937051)
Posted 1 Oct 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Did fresh clean install on workstation. Installation itself looks ok, but getting several problems, main one is that net access/network access keeps dropping out as well as the same problems I had under Vista.

This has confirmed my suspicions that there is a major fault on the rig itself. Got no choice now but to strip it down & check/clean all components & start again (ouch, didn't want to do that). At least I know that all those programs work under Win 7, so will just have to reinstall them & restore data from server.

Overall, I am impressed, & love the improved media center. As for the UAC, still as secure but less intrusive (about time).


I know it's a bit late for this, but I was going to suggest you boot form the W7 install disc, then preform the upgrade from there. You can be sure no programs are running as the OS isn't loaded.
6243) Message boards : Number crunching : Could BOINC app be written for Iphones? (Message 936956)
Posted 30 Sep 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I Phones and Crackberries etc. What a hoot:)
It might even get the Macophiles to come back and could be a whole new category of contributors.

For the iPhone the answer is a big fat no. The iPhone OS will not allow any background tasks. If you did it foreground, when the phone rings, BOINC would stop. When the call is over the user would have to restart the app manually.

Then there is the battery issue. Dead real quick. I suppose crunch only when on the charger is a work around.

Finally there is the speed issue. The iPhone is a slow CPU compared to a laptop.

Yes it is a good thought, but we are a decade of Moore's law away from it being practical.



Single device speed isn't a problem. That's the whole idea of distributed computing. The iphone uses the ARMv6KZ processor, which is also used for the nvidia goforce 6100. Not the most powerful chip, but it could do something. 50,000 cell phones would make a rather nice computing system I'd think.

The big problem with using cell phones would be the power and heat. Most are not ment for running full tilt 24/7. I had some little farming game on my previous phone. I would let run overnight while it was plugged in. The phone died after about a year. Which could have had nothing to do with running the application so much, but I suspect it.
6244) Message boards : Number crunching : Astropulse, no wu's since months ? (Message 936953)
Posted 30 Sep 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The the machines that I let run AP I have them set for

Run only the selected applications

SETI@home Enhanced: no
Astropulse: yes
Astropulse v5: yes

If no work for selected applications is available, accept work from other applications?

yes

Then most of the time they get MB tasks.

6245) Message boards : Number crunching : Does this seem right for crunch speed? (PS3, Linux) (Message 936949)
Posted 30 Sep 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
... I only used the PS3 as a BluRay player (it made better $ sense to get a PS3 than a standalone BluRay player at the time), ... I also found some other piddly uses for it though. I.e., the PS3 is my CUPS server on my network...

What?!

You don't use it for playing games?...

:-p

Happy crunchin',
Martin


WAIT! boinc isn't a game?! heh
6246) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (25) Server problems (Message 936664)
Posted 29 Sep 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I noticed early in the AM that the cricket graph flatlined, but the pages here still worked. I believe this is because the website is on the campus network, and just the data for the project goes through the hurricane electronics link?

I did notice that while cricket was flatlined (0.00 kbps for inbound and outbound), I had two uploads that would immediately fail. Problem went away though, and everything is smooth again after a short period of link saturation.


Have ther always been two download servers? I just noticed this on the server page.

download server 1 bane Running
download server 2 vader Disabled

6247) Message boards : Number crunching : Aborted over 500 work units (Message 936662)
Posted 29 Sep 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Something else regarding NTP and Windows.. by default, Windows installations only sync once per week, more specifically, 604,800 seconds, which is exactly 7 days. One thing I am unsure of is if it actually does that on the mark with multiple reboots since the last update. I'm inclined to believe that it will check again every time you boot up.

At any rate, what I did for my handful of Windows boxes is did some registry editing to make the time update be something more useful, like 6-12 hours instead of 7 days. My Windows boxes sync to my local NTP server so I don't flood one of the public servers.

However, there is one small issue that I have discovered with Windows syncing with NTP (at least with XP SP2..newer versions may be different) is that quite often, it fails to update for no reason at all. Looking in the event logs, it just says that it failed but doesn't say why. I still have to manually hit the update button three times. First time when it says "an error occurred", then it times out and doesn't update, so update again, then an error occurs, and the third time, it updates almost as soon as I let go of the button. Then it will automatically do its updates two or three times without error.

I'm just thinking Windows was not really designed for NTP. It doesn't ever seem to want to do it very well, or reliably.


Is your NTP server a windows machine? I've had issues with machines not syncing for no apparent reason. Then switched the machines over to getting the time from one of the routers and have yet to fail since. I was using 2000 server and then later 2003 server.
6248) Message boards : Number crunching : Why are "In Progress" tasks stuck? (Message 936171)
Posted 27 Sep 2009 by Profile HAL9000
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I am amazed at some of the reasons given by some.

The PC of captk is not "dead" or turned off, as many further tasks are sent and completed repeatedly.

JM7 gave a general list of things that can cause this sort of issue. I added one, you suggested the Windows 7 upgrade idea, no one mentioned a hyperactive antivirus program, or hand-editing BOINC XML files, or a few dozen other possibilities.

At the end of the day, there is a (slow) mechanism through which BOINC will fix the issue -- eventually.

It's unfortunate, but it's handled.


More importantly, I doubt they have the time to sort this out on a case by case basis. Not that anything needs to be sorted. Looks like most of the "stuck" tasks will be "fixed" by Nov, 4th.

I guess we should just be glad that they are using single validation. Instead of requiring double triple or higher. Altho this would give them more work to send out it might be more trouble then it's worth.
6249) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (25) Server problems (Message 934727)
Posted 20 Sep 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
... and, if the project was well funded, the best "bang for the buck" would likely be more recorders, so maintenance could be done without completely interrupting the flow of data.

It'd be nice if they had a spare, so if one was acting up they could ship the spare to P.R.

If the project was well funded.

It's not. It's doing amazingly well on basically no money.

That's why I've kicked in a few bucks here and there, and why, if I was tempted to build an uber-cruncher, I'd donate at least 10% of the cost of the machine -- as a sort of insurance.

I'm still convinced that a lot of the congestion issues could be addressed through a less aggressive BOINC client and a way for the servers to tell the clients to back off. That's a different discussion, about how you get by when throwing money at a problem isn't an option.


I have wondered why when the client gets some message it doesn't halt transmission for that project. Seems like something that would have been put in place near the start. There are several way so do something like that, and I can think of several ways people would work around it to try and make their client update as well.
6250) Message boards : Number crunching : Q6600 problem.. (Message 934721)
Posted 20 Sep 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Oh well.. its the same crap..
Preformance dropped to near nothing and temps are back down to 47c.
GPU down to 48c and producing no work :(
I guess the mother board is a bad mother to my CPU and GPU and they will be amansipating this relationship.
Time to start looking for a replacement mom for the two, soon to be orphens.
I am for real going to try to find a Asus P5 something.. (maybe I'll call this a father board.. Asus P5 isnt very mommy sounding) It seems to be the OC'ers first choice for a Q6600. Maybe I can find a deal on Ebay. Being broke all the time is not fun but keeps me sober(liquid seditives are expensive). Maybe I could take a second job. Sale my extra body parts. (like any one wants any of my body parts at my age) Start charging for Boinc.NET... Ermmm NO.
Hummmm # 1932.. I do a lot of 'hummm'ing with all this programming and math im in to. lol
--Me



I've been pretty happy with the gigabyte boards I've bought recently.
6251) Message boards : Number crunching : ATI Cards On Seti...When? (Message 934717)
Posted 20 Sep 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I'm going to have to grab 6.10.5, since they released that yesterday, and try it before I submit that to the alpha list. The "Use Graphics Processing Unit (GPU) if available" value is being ignored by this version in all cases, where the "Use Central Processing Unit (CPU)" value is OK.

Stay away from v6.10.5, it's already been replaced by v6.10.6 due to bugs...

As for any web-based preferences to use/don't use Nvidia or Ati, these has no meaning to the BOINC-client, only the scheduling-server. The client will ask for work for whatever hardware-resources client detects, as long as isn't disabled in cc_config.xml, or disabled by running as service like GPU's on vista and win7 is.

It's similar with any selections of using a specific application or a few of the applications on projects with multiple applications, the client isn't aware of these settings, but instead continues asking for cpu-work and lets the scheduling-server decide what work to actually send based on users application-selections.


For client to not continuously asking for work of a type user has either disabled by preferences, or project doesn't have an application for this type, v6.10.5 and later clients accepts upto a 28-days deferral from scheduling-server for this kind of work. This functionality was just added, so it's unlikely any project has yet upgraded to new scheduling-server...

Even without a server-deferral, cpu, nvidia and ati has separate deferral-interwalls, these shows on project-tab if selects a project and looks on "preferences". If a scheduler-request for a particular resource doesn't give any work, the DT starts at 1 minue and is doubled for each failure upto a max of 24 hours. Note, the DT is reset in case user hits "update", but otherwise you'll after some time only ask for this type of work once per day...


Thanks makes sense since they are project prefs. I was starting to think that after I had disabled cpu tasks and then it request jobs, but came back with the message "no tasks sent due to project settings" or whatever the exact text was.

It does seem like this setting should also be covered in the computing preferences. As the project moves forward, perhaps a like the value "On multiprocessors, use at most Enforced by version 6.1+" there may need to be one for GPUs.
6252) Message boards : Number crunching : The operative value of a GPU (Message 934588)
Posted 19 Sep 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Why is it that we can't just buy a NVIDIA card? We have to get a PNY or an ASUS or a BNH Tech... WHY?!


Nvidia seems to prefer to make mostly chips. Board manufacture is another process.
6253) Message boards : Number crunching : losing ground (Message 934586)
Posted 19 Sep 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Point is, credits are basically meaningless. They are non-monetary, and serve no other purpose than to see how you compare to others. Sure, with many millions of cobblestones (I think..) you can buy an US$10 toaster, but is it really worth it? No.


<tongue firmly implanted in cheek>

How many millions do I need to get my toaster? :)


2 million credits, plus a $40 shipping/handling fee.


awww man, my toaster just died. Really it did. It's going to take me a while to get up to 2 million :/
6254) Message boards : Number crunching : Workunit takes AGES to finish (Message 934582)
Posted 19 Sep 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I've had a few "stickers" like that. As arkayn said you can just restart and generally that fixes it.

If you select that task. Then click on properties.

You will probably see
CPU TIME: 00:45:00
ELAPSED TIME: 28:00:00

That seems to point out the ones that have done that to me.
6255) Message boards : Number crunching : Q6600 problem.. (Message 934575)
Posted 19 Sep 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Checked the G31 spec. It has a thermal limit of 105ºC. does the cpuid hardware monitor provide the temp for it by chance?
6256) Message boards : Number crunching : ATI Cards On Seti...When? (Message 934329)
Posted 18 Sep 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Switched over to the standard applications & it still requests work but gracefully handles the event.

9/18/2009 1:44:30 PM SETI@home Sending scheduler request: To fetch work.
9/18/2009 1:44:30 PM SETI@home Requesting new tasks for GPU
9/18/2009 1:44:35 PM SETI@home Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks
9/18/2009 1:44:35 PM SETI@home Message from server: No work sent
9/18/2009 1:44:35 PM SETI@home Message from server: Your computer has no NVIDIA GPU

I'm going to have to grab 6.10.5, since they released that yesterday, and try it before I submit that to the alpha list. The "Use Graphics Processing Unit (GPU) if available" value is being ignored by this version in all cases, where the "Use Central Processing Unit (CPU)" value is OK.
6257) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (25) Server problems (Message 934311)
Posted 18 Sep 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Nothing to complain about here... Everything's working perfectly...Too perfectly.

That's what scares me. It's like knowing there's a huge storm just on the other side of the mountain and you can't see any trace of it. And you have no idea when it's going to hit, but you know for a fact it's going to hit and hit hard..

I'm just messing around. A little bored maybe. And I'm not that paranoid until the meds wear off.


I know I'm scared too. :)

As it was said that data may run out for a short while. This will probably be the next "storm", or at least a storm of posts about "is there something wrong with the servers I can't download anything"
</sarcasim>
6258) Message boards : Number crunching : Q6600 problem.. (Message 934299)
Posted 18 Sep 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
This sounds simular to what I had happen on an AMD system at work. After a while the system jsut seemed to come to a crawl. Turned out the fan attatched to the northbridge(chipset) had failed.

How is the cooling for the northbridge on that board?
6259) Message boards : Number crunching : Sneak 'er on? (Message 934287)
Posted 18 Sep 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The dude who is in charge loves the idea, she passed it on to the person who is in charge of the computers, and he loves it. Now he needs to pass it on to a board of directors or whatever.

So I need to impress them.


Saying "I want to look for aliens" honestly doesn't go over very well. You needs to be factual and for a school to approve this you may need to come with an academic reason. If you are in a computer class of some kind you might be able to work it in there somehow.

You might want to start a proposal off with something generalized like:

"BOINC is an international distributed computing platform that utilizes idle computer resources to preform research. Some of the research projects that participate have been running for over 10 years."
6260) Message boards : Number crunching : ATI Cards On Seti...When? (Message 934270)
Posted 18 Sep 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Just to fuel speculation I noticed this when putting 6.10.4 on for test.

<snip>

9/16/2009 7:18:56 PM SETI@home Sending scheduler request: To fetch work.
9/16/2009 7:18:56 PM SETI@home Requesting new tasks for GPU
9/16/2009 7:19:01 PM SETI@home Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks
9/16/2009 7:19:01 PM SETI@home Message from server: No work sent

The odd bit being I don't have anything in my app_info.xml for any GPUs. Also I have GPU processing disabled in my account settings.

I've just started looking at it. So it might be nothing. Just amused me so far lol.


If you have an app_info it overrides the web setting, so having told it you don't want gpu on the web site gets overridden.

The fact that its found the gpu means it will ask for work for it. If you don't want BOINC using it you can code <no_gpus>1</no_gpus> in cc_config, however that means it won't use the gpu for ANY of your projects. In fact BOINC will treat it like you don't have any gpu at all.


I had disabled the cc_config on that system prior to the upgrade. However, I had left app_info.xml enabled to finish out the tasks before switching to the standard apps for test.

I was just not expecting seti@home requests for gpu tasks with an ati gpu. As there is not currently an application for it. Just one of those "wait, what, lol" moments.
6261) Message boards : Number crunching : app_info for AP503, AP505, MB603 and MB608 (Message 934205)
Posted 18 Sep 2009 by Profile HAL9000
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I think what Yeti wants to do is to convert the CPU MIPS values (drystone and whetstone) to GFLOPS so as to compare his CPU to his GPU.


*closes one eye and squints*

oh right, missed that somehow.
6262) Message boards : Number crunching : ATI Cards On Seti...When? (Message 934132)
Posted 17 Sep 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Just to fuel speculation I noticed this when putting 6.10.4 on for test.

9/16/2009 7:15:40 PM Starting BOINC client version 6.10.4 for windows_intelx86
9/16/2009 7:15:40 PM log flags: task, file_xfer, sched_ops
9/16/2009 7:15:40 PM Libraries: libcurl/7.19.4 OpenSSL/0.9.8k zlib/1.2.3
9/16/2009 7:15:40 PM Data directory: Z:\BOINC\DATA
9/16/2009 7:15:40 PM Running under account Tester
9/16/2009 7:15:40 PM Processor: 2 GenuineIntel Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU E8400 @ 3.00GHz [x86 Family 6 Model 23 Stepping 6]
9/16/2009 7:15:40 PM Processor: 6.00 MB cache
9/16/2009 7:15:40 PM Processor features: fpu tsc sse sse2 pni mmx
9/16/2009 7:15:40 PM OS: Microsoft Windows Vista: Ultimate x86 Edition, Service Pack 2, (06.00.6002.00)
9/16/2009 7:15:40 PM Memory: 3.25 GB physical, 4.19 GB virtual
9/16/2009 7:15:40 PM Disk: 4.00 GB total, 1.99 GB free
9/16/2009 7:15:40 PM Local time is UTC -4 hours
9/16/2009 7:15:40 PM Can't load library nvcuda.dll
9/16/2009 7:15:40 PM ATI GPU 0: RV770 (CAL version 1.4.317, 512MB, 1200GFLOPS)
9/16/2009 7:15:40 PM SETI@home Found app_info.xml; using anonymous platform
9/16/2009 7:15:40 PM Not using a proxy
9/16/2009 7:15:40 PM Version change (6.6.36 -> 6.10.4)
9/16/2009 7:15:40 PM SETI@home URL: http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/; Computer ID: 5011745; location: home; project prefs: home
9/16/2009 7:15:40 PM SETI@home General prefs: from SETI@home (last modified 10-Sep-2009 22:34:36)
9/16/2009 7:15:40 PM SETI@home Computer location: home
9/16/2009 7:15:40 PM SETI@home General prefs: no separate prefs for home; using your defaults
9/16/2009 7:15:40 PM Reading preferences override file
9/16/2009 7:15:40 PM Preferences limit memory usage when active to 3325.57MB
9/16/2009 7:15:40 PM Preferences limit memory usage when idle to 3325.57MB
9/16/2009 7:15:40 PM Preferences limit disk usage to 2.11GB
9/16/2009 7:15:40 PM Running CPU benchmarks
9/16/2009 7:15:40 PM Suspending computation - running CPU benchmarks
9/16/2009 7:16:11 PM Benchmark results:
9/16/2009 7:16:11 PM Number of CPUs: 2
9/16/2009 7:16:11 PM 3146 floating point MIPS (Whetstone) per CPU
9/16/2009 7:16:11 PM 6359 integer MIPS (Dhrystone) per CPU
9/16/2009 7:16:11 PM SETI@home Restarting task 25au09ab.16172.17654.6.10.168_1 using setiathome_enhanced version 603
9/16/2009 7:16:11 PM SETI@home Restarting task 25au09aa.15546.17659.15.10.13_1 using setiathome_enhanced version 603
9/16/2009 7:16:16 PM SETI@home Sending scheduler request: To fetch work.
9/16/2009 7:16:16 PM SETI@home Requesting new tasks for GPU
9/16/2009 7:16:21 PM SETI@home Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks
9/16/2009 7:16:21 PM SETI@home Message from server: No work sent
9/16/2009 7:17:36 PM SETI@home Sending scheduler request: To fetch work.
9/16/2009 7:17:36 PM SETI@home Requesting new tasks for GPU
9/16/2009 7:17:41 PM SETI@home Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks
9/16/2009 7:17:41 PM SETI@home Message from server: No work sent
9/16/2009 7:18:56 PM SETI@home Sending scheduler request: To fetch work.
9/16/2009 7:18:56 PM SETI@home Requesting new tasks for GPU
9/16/2009 7:19:01 PM SETI@home Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks
9/16/2009 7:19:01 PM SETI@home Message from server: No work sent

The odd bit being I don't have anything in my app_info.xml for any GPUs. Also I have GPU processing disabled in my account settings.

I've just started looking at it. So it might be nothing. Just amused me so far lol.
6263) Message boards : Number crunching : app_info for AP503, AP505, MB603 and MB608 (Message 934129)
Posted 17 Sep 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
For my GTX 275 could I find the correct flops by reading this thread.

But how have I to translate my CPU ?

17/09/2009 23:48:21 Benchmark results:
17/09/2009 23:48:21 Number of CPUs: 4
17/09/2009 23:48:21 3593 floating point MIPS (Whetstone) per CPU
17/09/2009 23:48:21 7506 integer MIPS (Dhrystone) per CPU

Could someone convert this "MIPS" into (G)(P)flops that I need for app_info.xml ?

Thanks a lot !


You don't get a message like this when boinc starts up?
ATI GPU 0: RV770 (CAL version 1.4.317, 512MB, 1200GFLOPS)

I don't recall at the moment, but i thought my machien at work with a cuda card showed something like that as well.
6264) Message boards : Number crunching : ATI Cards On Seti...When? (Message 933851)
Posted 16 Sep 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
How do I know if my ATI card can work with their flavor of CUDA?


For projects that support ATI GPUs it seems that some need double precision floating point operation support. You can check to see if your card does here at ATI Stream SDK System Requirements. Until said application is actually released with requirements you may not know for sure.
6265) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (25) Server problems (Message 933816)
Posted 16 Sep 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
There are not enough AP wu's! We demand more... and a shrubbery!
6266) Message boards : Number crunching : - POLL - : SETI@home on ATI GPU.. (Message 933773)
Posted 16 Sep 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Can you change the poll so that you don't have to register/login with the site to cast a vote? I'm not a member of the forums over at Lunatics'.


Sutaru stated in the message to vote here not on their site.
[EDIT: UPDATE, please post ONLY here, I closed the poll on the Lunatics site.]

6267) Message boards : Number crunching : (another) dumb CUDA question (Message 933744)
Posted 16 Sep 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Yes, I stopped the client, Thanks for the reminder ...

I don't have a MB_6.08_CUDA_V12_VLARKill_FPLim2048.exe to copy ... That's what BOINC is trying to find at some unknown URL (I Guess).

Under the "transfer" tab the "size" is given as "0 bytes"

Ed F


The application MB_6.08_CUDA_V12_VLARKill_FPLim2048.exe is listed in your app info file. Meaing boinc manager was told you have it in your projects\setiathome.berkeley.edu folder. You must download the dile and put it there yourself. Third party applications are not downloaded for you.

The lunatics downloads are here http://lunatics.kwsn.net/index.php?module=Downloads

You may wat to just use the unified installer as it will do all of the appinfo xml jigger pokery for you.
6268) Message boards : Number crunching : Private bytes vs. Working set vs. Virtual size (Message 933715)
Posted 16 Sep 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Can someone please explain to me the differences between the terms in the title of the thread as pertaining to the actual amount of RAM that a process uses? I have been running ProcessExplorer, and I can't figure this out. Using google I came across this page, where someone asks the same question, but it was no help, I am still confused.

I am asking this pertaining to this screen-shot:

http://imgur.com/QY6x9.png


Generally it's only important to know what these values are if you are a developer, but this should explain most of what you want to know.

http://shsc.info/WindowsMemoryManagement

TaskManager can display all this data for you as well.
6269) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (24) Server problems (Message 933603)
Posted 15 Sep 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

[Extension of my upper post]



I looked to your CPU-GPU combi, the CUDA tasks were calculated with the stock CUDA app.

You don't let run opt. apps?


I had before, but since I reimage the system often. I could run XP, Vista, Windows 7, Server 2003, Server 2008, or 2000 all in one day. The opt app didn't really like that. lol
6270) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (24) Server problems (Message 933600)
Posted 15 Sep 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Crazy EDF GPU bug you say? Is that when BOINC process a few % of a GPU task, then moves to another, process a few % of a GPU task, then moves to another,process a few % of a GPU task, then moves to another...

I had started seeing that over the past few weeks. I thought my GF8500 was just starting to fail or something so stopped doing GPU tasks. As it was slow anyway.


Correct..
And every suspended CUDA WU take system RAM.
And if you have maybe ~ 20 or 30 suspended CUDA tasks, your PC can't crunch because your system RAM is overloaded.

So you should use also DEV-V6.6.37 .


Well, I've just stopped doing GPU task on that PC. The GF8500 isn't very fast, GPU tasks bogged the system to much, and I don't have the time to baby sit it.
6271) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (24) Server problems (Message 933596)
Posted 15 Sep 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

This you could say if your PC make a RAC of ~ 20.

But if your PC make a RAC of ~ 52,000 he must UL ~ 600 to 3,000 results/day!
And if you use DEV-V6.6.38 which don't work well.. you should take a BOINC Version which isn't so buggy.
So I use now DEV-V6.6.37 which don't collect result ULs, this version make the ULs.

No, I can't use V6.6.36 with the 'crazy EDF GPU BUG'.

The UL function in DEV-V6.6.38 don't work well.
I hope in DEV-V6.10.x this UL function work better (like I posted in my upper post) or is disabled.


Crazy EDF GPU bug you say? Is that when BOINC process a few % of a GPU task, then moves to another, process a few % of a GPU task, then moves to another,process a few % of a GPU task, then moves to another...

I had started seeing that over the past few weeks. I thought my GF8500 was just starting to fail or something so stopped doing GPU tasks. As it was slow anyway.
6272) Message boards : Number crunching : Beginner's guide to improving performance (Message 933593)
Posted 15 Sep 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
You can start by grabbing the lunatics optimized apps here

Grab either of these depending on if you use 64 bit windows or regular 32 bit.
Win32 Lunatics' Unified Installer v0.2
Win64 Lunatics' Unified Installer v0.2

Before you start the installation for that you will want to know details about which optimized app to select.

For that you will want to get CPUID's CPU-Z application here

Unzip it and run the exe.

The info we want is the line that says 'Instructions' MMX, SSE, SSE2 and what not. You want to know which is the highest level you have.

Stop BOINC Manager and stop processing science.

Run the lunatics installer "Lunatics_Win32v0.2_AP505r168_AKv8b_CudaV12.exe" or "Lunatics_Win64v0.2_(SSE3+)_AP505r168_AKv8bx64_CudaV12.exe" for 64 bit.

When you get to the "select applications" section choose the highest level listed that was displayed in the CPU-Z application.

Follow the onscreen steps in in the installer and when your are done you should have the optimized applications installed and ready to go.

Restart BOINC or reboot and you should be good.
6273) Message boards : Number crunching : losing ground (Message 933504)
Posted 15 Sep 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Just like the stock market. Somedays shes up and some days shes down.



This is with all of my machines working steady & even adding 2 around the 28th when it's still falling.
6274) Message boards : Number crunching : - POLL - : SETI@home on ATI GPU.. (Message 933330)
Posted 14 Sep 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I. YES - I have an ATI GPU

I currently have a total of 12 ati based systems I could possibly have running a gpu app.
6275) Message boards : Number crunching : Old Client_state.xml files (Message 933292)
Posted 14 Sep 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
It would be nice if reschedule woudl clean up the yyyymmddhhmmss.xml files itself. I had used it for a while before I noticed it was making these. running once an hour for a few weeks = loads of files.
6276) Message boards : Number crunching : Kitties' progress...... (Message 932611)
Posted 11 Sep 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
If you are going to go through all that trouble, consider running 50 amps instead of 30 amps. It's not common knowledge, but in new motor home hookups, they are installing 50 amps because with up to 3 air conditioners and all the other creature comforts, 30 amps just didn't cut it. For the most part, it should only cost you a little more for the wire.

And that would mean an #8 cable?
That's getting to be a bit of a hefty bit o' line........
I got a 200 amp service in the basement........so I got it on tap.


Instead of worrying aobut splitting the 240 into 120 circuits. Why don't you just run all of your computer gear on 240v. Pretty much all your computer gear should auto switch 120/240v. Some things might have to have a switch flipped. Also manufacturers claim devices have greater efficency at 240v over 120v.

240V WITH A NEUTRAL GIVES YOU TWO 120V 30A CIRCUITS..........YOU JUST SPLIT THEM.

SORRY FOR SHOUTING.......SOMETHING JUST WENT WONKY WITH MY KEYBOARD......ALL CAPS............AGAIN...............


Yeah the 240v coming into your house is center tapped 240v. So it doesn't matter how you do it. I was just thinking of the extra efficiency of running 240v.
Like in this image of the curve from my PSU. Showing peak of 88% in 240v mode over 84% in 120v mode. A 4% savings at the power you are drawing might pay for itself pretty fast.
6277) Message boards : Number crunching : Result Overflow (Message 932602)
Posted 11 Sep 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
But why don't we crunch the rest of it?


Because the rest of the data is probably junk too. That bit of data could have come from a time when a satellite was beaming down into the dish. Which was all recorded.
6278) Message boards : Number crunching : Kitties' progress...... (Message 932563)
Posted 11 Sep 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
If you are going to go through all that trouble, consider running 50 amps instead of 30 amps. It's not common knowledge, but in new motor home hookups, they are installing 50 amps because with up to 3 air conditioners and all the other creature comforts, 30 amps just didn't cut it. For the most part, it should only cost you a little more for the wire.

And that would mean an #8 cable?
That's getting to be a bit of a hefty bit o' line........
I got a 200 amp service in the basement........so I got it on tap.


Instead of worrying aobut splitting the 240 into 120 circuits. Why don't you just run all of your computer gear on 240v. Pretty much all your computer gear should auto switch 120/240v. Some things might have to have a switch flipped. Also manufacturers claim devices have greater efficency at 240v over 120v.
6279) Message boards : Number crunching : Force CUDA with (Message 932394)
Posted 11 Sep 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Somebody know if possible to force CUDA to use grafic card with 128MB in SETI?


Perhaps the optimized apps might let you use it, but this might be a limit set in the boinc application itself. However, [/url=http://boinc.berkeley.edu/gpu.php]The information[/url] provided form the websites says you do need 256mb. Which I am guessing you've already read.
6280) Message boards : Number crunching : What to use to reattach heatsink (Message 932393)
Posted 11 Sep 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have an old pci Radeon Saphire Video card (64meg) and the heatsink fell off. What would be best to reattach the thing? It looks like it was held on with tan plumbers putty and is still a little soft.


That is thermal paste/adhesive. Which is not the same as normal thermal compound.

Some new thermal goop & zip ties might be sufficient to hold the heatsink on.
6281) Message boards : Number crunching : Power supply problems for I7 920 and NVIDA Help (Message 932391)
Posted 11 Sep 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I upgraded my system to I7 920 and NVIDA 275 but kept old case and 550W PS. Bad move as system will suddenly go belly up. I have unplugged a couple of disk drives, and all is well for the moment. Not a good long term solution, so tomorrow I will make a trip to my local FRYS store and see what they have to offer. Any suggestions for the 650 to 750 Watt range will be appreciated.

Cheers
Pilot


If you care about efficiency go for one that is that PLUS 80 certified. There are 4 levels of that. Basic (white stickers), bronze, silver, & gold.

I got a nice Enermax 625w EPR625AWT It does the job nicely for me & was pretty inexpensive. I had bought a BFG 650w psu before & I'd have to say the build quality of it was not good. Also after 3 tries from buy.com I couldn't get a working one.

If you are going to bump you system up to sli later you might want to plan for that now.

6282) Message boards : Number crunching : CPU use (Message 931861)
Posted 8 Sep 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have recently put Windows 7 on a C2D using machine and for the first time used it to do Seti packets. I have also brought up the CPU use sidebar program and float it on screen to show me CPU use.

What that shows is that 100% of my CPU is in use on one side and 29% on the other. What I had attempted to do via local prefs for this machine ONLY was to have 100% of both CPUs in use doing Seti but I dont seem to be able to achieve that even though the machine processes 2 packets at the same time.

Can anyone point me in the right direction as to what to do to make this C2DE machine (4 gigs ram) use the full 100% on both sides, please? Thanks.

Greg.


I'm not sure what the sidebar application is showing you, but you can open task manager and switch to the Performance tab. Either by pressing CTRL+SHIFT+ESC or right clicking the task bar & selecting "Show task manager" or whatever the exact text is.

you should see a cpu usage graph for each core. If everything is ok there then open the boinc manager and go to preferences. Make sure "On multiprocessors, use at most" & "Use at most" are set to 100.00.

On some of my computers I've had to restart BOINC a few times to get it to "see" all cores. I haven't been able to tell if this is a manager issue or just the weird way I'm putting boinc on the systems.
6283) Message boards : Number crunching : Heat Alarm (Message 931855)
Posted 8 Sep 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Okay, CPUZ does not allow me to see the temperature, neither does the performance tool in Windows.

Are there any standalone (no install) applications that let me monitor system temperature?

WinXP x86


Hardware Monitor by CPUID, get it here. Just grab the zip version and run it like CPU-Z.

Ok, that was already posted by someone else now that I've read the other 50 entries lol

The E5345 has a Thermal Specification of 66C. Since you are running right at that limit I'd back down on the processing for a while. The setup you made may just not be designed to handle that system running full tilt 24/7.

Have you tried running the system for an extended time without seti going? If it alarms w/o anything it going then there is def something failed in there.
6284) Message boards : Number crunching : Heat Alarm (Message 931815)
Posted 7 Sep 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Are there any BOINC options that allow me to control how much of the CPU it uses?


Preferences > Processor usage tab > On multiprocessor system, use at most

With 8 cores you will have to use percentages that are in 12.5% increments which may round to 13% depending which way you are going. 75% should be 6 of the 8 cores & so on.
6285) Message boards : Number crunching : Heat Alarm (Message 931814)
Posted 7 Sep 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
You might have lost a fan in the system or something else important for cooling. You can try lowering the number of concurrent tasks and see how that goes.

A computer overheating isn't "normaly" going to catch fire & burn the place down. Since the system seems to be setup to alert when there is a thermal event it most likely has a thermal shutdown mode enabled as well.

I was getting an alarm with the software I have installed on my notebook to monitor it's temps. It kept going off at 80C even tho the processor is speced for a 100C thermal limit. I just changed the software to not give an alarm until it got to 90C & that was the end of it annoying me.
6286) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (24) Server problems (Message 931573)
Posted 7 Sep 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

<snip>
If the late Senator was alive today, he'd have tons to say about my tax dollars buying other people new cars.

More reading:

http://books.google.com/books?id=f7YKgXxyQmwC&lpg=PA104&ots=7w2P65Hvev&dq=proxmire%20seti%2013%20things&pg=PA97#v=onepage&q=&f=false


In a way I am sorta glad that seti isn't government funded. I don't think the money in v. results out would please the government bean counters.

In a related note about the CARS program. By simply buying a car with decent mileage I have saved about $12,000 over the course of owning my car so far vs one rated at 18mpg.
6287) Message boards : Number crunching : Not recieving new WU's CPU or GPU (Message 931537)
Posted 7 Sep 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
If I have 40 wu's in "Ready to start" status on one computer, but my 'other' computer can't get any (due to the problem mentioned in another thread).


Can I move the files from one computer to the other?




I don't think so - I believe SETI knows which computer it sent it to, and won't accept the result from another computer (Ain't that right, guys?). If you moved the results back to the original computer, though, I don't know what would happen when you did an update there....


I did some playing around with this & found a few things:

1) You can't move 1 tasks. It's all or nothing.

2) You can have a machine download tasks & then move everything to another machine for processing.

3) When the tasks are complete move everything back to the original system that downloaded the tasks.

4) If you have 1 machine downloads tasks for 2(or more) computers, process the tasks, & then upload them on the machine that downloaded them. Then you will get multiple computer entries for the same machine that can not be combined. As there were tasks being processed at the same time. (this is to keep people from cheating the computer stats)

5) If you simply move everything to another computer & have it take over where the old one was. (I did this as I was retiring a machine) The results will be reported as a new computer that will get the credit instead of the old one.

As far as getting science done there is no problem. Just a bit of a mess on your list of computers if you do this with several machines.
6288) Message boards : Number crunching : my new leisurely pace... (Message 931535)
Posted 7 Sep 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
"You still have to get exercise (just make certain it follows your Cardiologists guidelines)."


lots and lots of walking
and shooting baskets.


So more wireless signal testing it is then :) I've got those verizon commercials stuck in my head now. Picturing someone walking around their lawn with a notebook "good" *step* "good".
6289) Message boards : Number crunching : Any way to control which cores BOINC uses? (Message 931028)
Posted 4 Sep 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Ah, there we go. I didn't realize what "Affinity" was.

So now I have Cores 1-3 at max and Core 0 idling. I think something may be screwy with the Core 0 sensor, since it now shows Cores 0, 2, and 3 about the same, and Core 1 a few degrees cooler. So Core 0 is the same temp idling that the others are at max.

I'll re-seat the heatsink next week anyway, but surely I have a sensor anomaly.

Edit: Cores 0, 2, and 3 at about 55. Core 1 at about 51.

Edit 2: Core 0 would be around 60 if it were at max.


It could just be your motherboard is giving you weird data.

I was using an Asus Striker II NSE board with my E8400 and I was seeing up to 8C different between the cores. When I replaced that with a Gigabyte EP45T-UD3P I now notice the cores are withing 1-2C of each other on CPUID's Hardware Monitor.
6290) Message boards : Number crunching : Kitties' progress...... (Message 931026)
Posted 4 Sep 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I was playing around running BOINC in a ram drive. There was no real change in performance over a standard SATA 3G/s drive. Talking about +/- a few seconds when running the same task over and over testing on a E8300 Core 2 Duo at work.

In other testing I did find bumping up the write delay lowered the hard drive temp several degrees in some cases. I'm using a 900 second write delay now. The "Write to disk at most every" value.
6291) Message boards : Number crunching : Strange behaviour of a dual-core computer (Message 931022)
Posted 4 Sep 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hows your CPU cooling?

If the heatsink on this quad core gets dusty it overheats under full load, but will run fine under a lower load.

Checking with CUPZ shows the clock speed dropping automatically from 2.6 to 1.6 when all 4 cores are running. But under a lower load it cools off and steps back up to full speed.

May not be your problem, but it's something to check.

Ian


Thanks for the tip Ian, but thats not the fault. I have a Skythe Ninja Cooler with 2 120mm fans (silent ones) in front and back of the cooler. I use my vacuum cleaner to clean it up now and then, should do it again the next days.

I think the main problem is the Level2-Cache on the processor, it has 2 MB which are not dedicated in 1 MB parts to each core (I think this was first designed in the Core2Duo processors). Running both cores on Seti seems to let them struggle about the cache.

Looking at asus.com my board (P5WD2 Premium) is not designed for Core2Duo processors, I dont have the money to test it:-) Maybe someone here has a Core2Duo on this board? Please let me know!

Volker


I did some digging. The best the Asus P5WD2 Premium can do is a P4 Dual. Which is still better then my old system that was using a P4C800-E Deluxe. That board doesn't even have a PCIe slot.... :/
6292) Message boards : Number crunching : Remember the times! (Message 930910)
Posted 4 Sep 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
...
The BFG NVIDIA GeForce GTX 295 H2OC states it takes 2 slots, but that is just for the water cooling plumbing. Six cards could be all connected to allow them to sit side by side.


You have an URL with pics? :-)

If you would like to build a 6x GTX295 GPU cruncher..

Maybe.. 6 x 300 W (per GTX295) = 1,800 W
And then the CPU/mobo combi + 300 W = 2,100 W

12.- € / day in Germany.. 360.- € / month.. 4,320.- € / year.. ;-D


My GPU cruncher with 4x OCed GTX260-216 take ~ 700 W (~ 4.- €) out of the wall plug.

AFAIK, Germany have the most expensive payment for electricity :-( ,
(in Europe, maybe also in the whole world?).

IIRC, ~ 0.22 €/kWh (incl. taxes, without extras).


Newegg has the best pics I can find of it.

I want to see someone build a 6x 295 cruncher too! I hope they take lots of pics! :D

My electric cost is about USD $0.17/KWh or about €0.12/KWh. On the upside with a machine liek that I wouldn't need a heater. lol
6293) Message boards : Number crunching : Remember the times! (Message 930886)
Posted 4 Sep 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

The number of co-processors are limited with BOINC?

I guess - it's limited because of the mobo manufacturer.. ;-)

I have 4 OCed GTX260-216 (double slot) graphic cards, so I need 4 x PCIe x16 slots. 4 CUDA GPUs.
Vyper have 4 (OCed) GTX295 (double slot) graphic cards, so he need also 4 x PCIe x16 slots. But he have 8 CUDA GPUs.

BTW. We both have the same mobo.. ;-)

AFAIK, the max. is 4x PCIe x16 (PCIe 2.0 x8) slots for 4 double slot GPUs.
Or 7x PCIe x16 (PCIe 2.0 x8) slots for one slot GPUs. (theoretically)

Because of the size of the mobos.
And the slot openings of the case.. ;-)

If a manufacturer will publish a GPU (which need only space from one slot) which have performance of a GTX295.. then you would have 14 CUDA GPUs.
BUT, OTOH.. every GPU should have a PCIe 1.0 x16 or PCIe 2.0 x8 slot (electric).
AFAIK, max. is 32 lanes.. x8 x8 x8 x8 -> PCIe 2.0

Or there are now new mobos/chipsets out there for more than 32 lanes?


I'm curious, (BOINC support now also ATI graphic cards?) if someone make a ATI GPU SETI@home app.. how big the performance of ATI GPUs is..
The architecture is different.. but IIRC, they should have double performance per shader core, or something.. if the 'extensions' are used..


Josef W. Segur has stated "One other detail would require some cooperation from the BOINC developers. The Scheduler won't believe any host has more than 8 CUDA GPUs, quoting from the sched_send.cpp source code:"

Otherwise I had speced out a pretty killer machine for crunching in this thread

The BFG NVIDIA GeForce GTX 295 H2OC states it takes 2 slots, but that is just for the water cooling plumbing. Six cards could be all connected to allow them to sit side by side.
6294) Message boards : Number crunching : What mean green columns in Seti@home? (Message 930881)
Posted 4 Sep 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Those are the signals from the aliens, but we arn't suppose to see them. :)
6295) Message boards : Number crunching : Remember the times! (Message 930727)
Posted 3 Sep 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
lol That is a pretty funny thread.

The only cuda card I have right not is an 8500 GT. For a while it was taking as long or longer then the cpu tasks. So with performance like that I could see some of those points of view.

With there being a limit on the number of coprocessors right now that is really the only limit for RAC. I'm sure if that limit was bumped up to allow 6, or perhaps more, video cards a single machine could do 100,000 w/o any problems.
6296) Message boards : Number crunching : Strange behaviour of a dual-core computer (Message 930724)
Posted 3 Sep 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hi,

as the topic says, its strange.

I have a Pentium D 805 (2.66 GHz), slightly overclocked to 3.22 GHz. Mainboard is an Asus P5WD2 Premium, 2 Gigs of Ram. I am running AK_v8_win_SSE, I used it also when running on both cores.

Running Seti on both cores made the computer slow in gaming, so i decided to use only one core. Now the WUs are crunched much faster than using both cores, the speedup is about 60%.

Anyone any idea why?

TIA,

Volker


You have 2 CPU cores but you don't really have 2 of everything else. Using both cores full tilt maxes out other resources on the system.

Running 1 task as a time may run 60% faster but less work is being done in the same amount of time.

If my games are getting lagged my boinc I just snooze or close it.

6297) Message boards : Technical News : Whac-a-Mole (Sep 03 2009) (Message 930718)
Posted 3 Sep 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
He received a certificate too! And it was signed.

Matt is invaluable, they just have not figured that out yet. Wait until Intel offers him $200,000 a year to lead their distributed procesing team.

But let's just hope he returns from Nepal in one piece. I just checked that. Jeff is going to Nepal, not Matt.


Perhaps it was signed with said pen. heh

I think they are all pretty invaluable around there.
6298) Message boards : Number crunching : Output file exceeds size limit (Message 930674)
Posted 3 Sep 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have seen people state that there is a limited amount of space for saving the results of the task & sometimes when that space is full it will stop processing it. Perhaps soemthign along those lines.
6299) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (23) Server problems (Message 930607)
Posted 3 Sep 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

Something's happened.
Network traffic is maxed out, and i've gone from having about half a days work to almost a full cache again.


Yes, I'm confused & scared as well. :)
6300) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (23) Server problems (Message 930438)
Posted 2 Sep 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
2 newbie cents about being a Wingman Hostage: My machine (a NetBook w/Atom and 3G -- yes, mobile all day long) is lucky to crank out 1 WU a day, but despite that, it seems I'm finding myself lately waiting up to 6+ days for a Wingman (Anvilman) with some heaven sent dream machine to pipe in with their Concur so that my tiny Acct can be credited. And I agree, I too see Wingman queues with hundreds of In-Progress items, and WORSE, they're not always being tackled in DATE order (and sometimes even have in-progress for deadline expired items). I'm glad that what takes me 30,000 seconds only takes them 120, but I've no accurate idea of when that 120 might begin.

I know the queuing system is complex and evolved to optimize the complex needs of the project and the conflicting needs of participants. And having a 30+ year predictive scope makes SETI the wrong project for people gratified by real-time measurable progress, especially as a quorum is apparently required to keep the TI honest in their search for ETI, but perhaps the rules can be changed up a bit so those massive contributing heavy lifters (and I fully accept their contrbution far outstrips mine thus they're entitled to a bigger slice of the pie -- even though others call this hogging or land grabbing) don't hold hostage us multitude of little guys (the larger community of public support which is equally beneficial to the project from an awareness & political perspective).

#1. Perhaps try and pair wing partners a bit closer on Avg turn around time. Don't pair a 1-dayer with 6-dayer. Keep it within 100%.

#2. Or perhaps change to CREDIT the work performed assumptive that the Concur will come thru (which I bet it does 99.998% of the time), and debit it later if that assumption proves false (ya know, just like a bank balance shows checks that have not yet cleared). You can govern this to historical daily WU's for that individual.

#3. Or perhaps slightly skew the points awarded to FAVOR the faster turn-around guy (still dependant on across the board results Concur). Maybe swipe 10% of the delaying partner's eventual credit for the WU for each day of wait time since initial result submission (gets a bit tricky if quorums of 3 or 4 are required -- but what a great Game Theory exercise).

... or maybe it stays the way it is, and that's just part of the price of participation.

Cheers !


I've always thought recent average credit was stupid myself. If I am trying to judge performance of two machines. I will really only know if those two machines are preforming completed tasks.

I think an option you would want would be something along the lines of "only send me tasks that need validation". Which I imagine would be rather complex on the server end & doesn't really benifit the project in any way.
6301) Message boards : Number crunching : Need Some advice please (Message 930434)
Posted 2 Sep 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hoping they find the time at seti to give us the patch to run it soon!!! GO Guys !! lol have a 2nd 4890 on the way to do some crossfire action But you need a Full size tower to run dual cards plus 4 6 pin power cords is only drawback to card.


They do make aux bay mounted PSUs for extra PCIe power. Lets you run more GPUs w/o swapping out your main PSU.

It will be fun to see how the ATI cards compare to the Nvidia ones if ther is an ATI S@H app. I've jsut got a 4870, but I have everything I need to plop a 2nd one in there. I may not actually run any GPU tasks on that machine if they do make the app. As it is my main gaming machine. I sometime have to snooze boinc to keep the lag down.
6302) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (23) Server problems (Message 930430)
Posted 2 Sep 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

LOL...

Especially when they are doing things like bringing a new Master BOINC Database Server online, rolling out ATi GPU support, getting started on a new school year, and probably a dozen other items I'm not thinking of right offhand! ;-)

The part I'm wondering about is what's the story with Jocelyn being disabled? This means that all queries have to go through Mork, which isn't going to help its performance if past history is any indication. I suppose it could be they are trying to see how much grunt Mork has. The alternative is something we probably really don't want to think about (went in-Sidious on us)! :-D

Alinator

Do we know that SETI is working on ATI support? We know that BOINC is working on that, but first BOINC has to know how to detect and schedule another GPU type, and then someone has to develop the app.

I don't know how Mork performs, and I'm not going to second-guess the reason for the change. Someone will probably tell us eventually.


Also there is the chance of ATI & Nvidia cards being mixed in one machine. I'm sure someone will have that configuration. I would for testing at least. BOINC then has to track x # of cpus, y # of nvida gpus, & z # of ati gpus. Might get messy in there.
6303) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (23) Server problems (Message 930400)
Posted 2 Sep 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Patrick:

Not being sure where you got that data, I have probably that many "pending" on my user page but they are spread over probably 15 boxes and 50 cores. My cache is set for 10 days. I could suspend SETI for a week or 2 and still (proably) finish them in time, but I wont. I am just increasing the shares of my backup projects. Boinc will throw SETI into High Priority if it feels it needs to.

If you look at individual computers, I have probably 50 or less on each box.

Dave


I have seen several users making post of "i just downloaded 800, 1500, or 1200 tasks" after an outage and the servers comming back up. Some of these are users with just 1 or 2 machines.
6304) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (23) Server problems (Message 930389)
Posted 2 Sep 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

Yes it would be nice to have a backup project.

I'm a 'crazy' SETIan.. so..

SETI2@home would be a well backup project for me.. ;-)

I'm a bit Seti crazy myself....
Still have a bit of cache on my rigs...hopefully things will get sorted before I start to run out of work.

Hopefully Eric will be in the lab in about half an hour and can kick some things back into place. Apparently yesterday's outage did not go too smoothly.
Maybe he can post a note letting us know what is happening.


I'd hazard a guess that it has something to do with Mork taking over the Master DB duties. Which Matt had said was scheduled for last week but didn't happen till this week.

They might be limiting the amount of new work being added to the project while they see how things go. While it would be nice to know what is actually happening. We will just have to make things up until we know. :D
6305) Message boards : Number crunching : Offline Crunching (Message 930174)
Posted 1 Sep 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:


Internet usage isn't to bad for the machines I have at work. Looking in the logs there is about 1GB to/from Berkley a day and during the week that includes me poking around on the message board.

1 Gigabyte averages to 11.5 about Kilobytes/sec or 1.44 Kilobits/sec. Which is barley a blip on anything. I have look for the traffic to Berkley to even know it's there. If this internet traffic was really that big of a deal at work I'd just get one of those wireless phone internet devices.

That wasn't what I was talking about at all.

I was talking about the typical office where workers are listening to their favorite internet radio stations (at the highest available bandwidth) and playing games and doing all of the fun things people like to do on the 'net.

... and not doing their work.

On a slightly related topic, bringing a wireless network connection on to your office machine(s) can provide a path into the company network that bypasses the company firewall. I'm sure the IT folks would prefer you use corporate bandwidth, or nothing at all.


*looks around* Hey, How did you know I wasn't doing any work? lol

I was really just trying to show how miniscule the amount of data is. I am sure IT would prefer that as well, even tho we are an isolated lab with a single uplink to the rest of the company network via a machine that's locked down.

We also have open wireless internet access for outside vendors to come in and get to the internet. So anyone near our building can actually get access. It works well from our parking lot at least. Not that I have tested that, recently. :)
6306) Message boards : Number crunching : Best GPU performance (Message 929768)
Posted 30 Aug 2009 by Profile HAL9000
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The problem with all these multi-SBC (or SHB depending on your vocabulary) systems is 1) power in and 2) heat out. There are 4-segment and up to 6 segment backplanes but by the time you populate it, you have to get 1500 watts or more out of the enclosure. That's a lot of air to move.

You don't want the power supply in front because of the waste heat off it preheating the air into the cards. So a 6U chassis becomes the best alternative.

The backplanes and SBCs are pretty expensive so figure $15K+ for a fully populated multi-SBC system. Probably a lot more.

The backplanes do not provide independent slot power control so all SBCs are on or off.

See Chassis Plans rackmount chassis, SBCs, backplanes, and custom systems for some possible solutions.

To answer a previous question, a 17" wide chassis, typical for a 19" rack, will fit 19 or 20 slots, depending on slot configuration. That is slots, not cards. SBC's typically have their components on the right while PCI cards have them on the left so you loose a slot switching orientation. Then SBCs are always 2 slots (mostly at least) and video cards or GPUs tend to run to 2 slots. Then you also run into the bandwidth problem if using PCI-Express as only so many lanes are available.

Where SBCs shine is in allowing many more cards to be installed and in different slot configurations compared to motherboards where ISA is no longer available and PCI is rapidly going away. Otherwise, stack a bunch of motherboard chassis in a rack and be done with it. Cheaper and will run much cooler.

Although it is pretty cool to point to a box 19" wide by 10.5" tall by 20" deep and say "that costs as much as a nice car". Louder too with all the fans going.


"That computer costs more then a Tesla Roaster, & uses more power" :D
6307) Message boards : Number crunching : Offline Crunching (Message 929767)
Posted 30 Aug 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Did you read SuperHost?

Yes, I did.

This concept has been discussed many times.

I understand the issue, but in my experience, and in my professional opinion, organizations that limit internet access are very much in the minority.

I talk to a lot of IT people, and what I find is the opposite: the vast majority of companies allow virtually every worker unfettered access to the internet, and when they exceed their bandwidth, rather than curtail personal use, management will buy more capacity.

So, I'm not convinced that this will bring a dramatic increase in computing power.

... and the same people who would run the superhost can put ACLs in their router, and it is easier.


Internet usage isn't to bad for the machines I have at work. Looking in the logs there is about 1GB to/from Berkley a day and during the week that includes me poking around on the message board.

1 Gigabyte averages to 11.5 about Kilobytes/sec or 1.44 Kilobits/sec. Which is barley a blip on anything. I have look for the traffic to Berkley to even know it's there. If this internet traffic was really that big of a deal at work I'd just get one of those wireless phone internet devices.
6308) Message boards : Number crunching : Best Graphics Setup? (Message 929763)
Posted 30 Aug 2009 by Profile HAL9000
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The GTX 295 gives you the most bang for the buck.

Both in terms of purchasing and powerdraw vs. crunching power.

If by 'buck' you mean dollars, greenbacks ... money in general, then I don't agree with this oft-repeated statement.

At my local store, a GTX 295 running at 1242MHz costs £349.93 (that's GBP).

You can get two GTX 275 cards (same manufacturer) running at 1404MHz for £158.61 each, or £317.22 - 10% cheaper.

Faster, cheaper - sounds good value to me. But they don't list the power draw, unfortunately.

What the GTX 295 undoubtably does give you is most bang for the slot, and hence most bang for the box.


Just doing a quick poke around the internet the 295 used about 10% more power then the 275. I do not know about the seti performance of the two, but if the 295 is more then 10% faster. It would then have a greater "performance per watt". Which in the long term would still make it the best "bang for the buck".

Sometimes it is better to spend a little more up front to same money in the long run. You just have to weigh in the time to recoup the extra cost.
6309) Message boards : Number crunching : Offline Crunching (Message 929758)
Posted 30 Aug 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
1. Copy the application folder for boinc from an installed machine to your CF/USB drive.
2. Connect the CF/USB drive to a machine that can access the internet & does not have BOINC installed.
3. Connect to project & download wu's.
4. Move CF/USB drive device to off-line machine.
5. Repeat as required.
6. When processed wu's are complete on off-line machine, connect CF/USB drive to internet machine and upload.

This process works just fine and may be referred to as sneaker net.

Note: This will really confuse the stats for the machine you use to upload/download. You will get x number of machines in your computers list that are the same and can not be combined. However, This is a way to process more results for science.
6310) Message boards : Number crunching : s@h campus fibre x10 data rate...! (Message 929753)
Posted 30 Aug 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

Indeed so, and I hope nothing can be construed otherwise.

And I hope the "telephone company" analogy is not picked up as an insult by anyone! I'm sure the IST are nothing like a telephone company dinosaur for response. Fine for the analogy of ownership of the infrastructure.

We can still have fun speculating!

Any more scraps of techie info anyone? ;-)

Happy crunchin',
Martin


Phone companies slow on response? You mean like when I tried to get simple phone line installed in my home. Then after 3 months of the phone line not being installed and being told by them "it was installed". Even tho the 1 install tech that showed up told me he couldn't find the line. I finally gave up and "canceled" my service with them.

Oddly enough I had the same problem at my previous home, but after 2 months they finally did manage to get it installed there.
6311) Message boards : Number crunching : boinc queue manipulation oddity (Message 927587)
Posted 21 Aug 2009 by Profile HAL9000
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...I was concerned that they would end up being run as high-priority mode as the deadline approaches, which if processed in a more due-date order, wouldn't be necessary...

And what would have been so bad if they had entered high-priority mode? That's why this mode exists.

Gruß,
Gundolf

Well, for starters, it would have suspended downloads of new WUs until high-priority mode completed...

And rightly so! If BOINC has to resort to EDF mode, there have been too many tasks downloaded.


I've had boinc go into edf mode with a modest 3 day queue when running multi projects.
6312) Message boards : Number crunching : Does this seem right for crunch speed? (PS3, Linux) (Message 927578)
Posted 20 Aug 2009 by Profile HAL9000
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I give it less then a week before someone cracks it anyway. I don't think installing other OSs was supported at first for the PS3.

Hi Hal9K, I think I spotted You elsewhere(On a Car forum, Escorts maybe).


A ford escort? ermm.... No! Maybe on a VW forum, but it wouldn't be Hal on an auto forum.


Yeah, Hackers will do things like that, The more they(Sony) try to clog the pipes, The more someone will get out the snake and clear them out so that smooth running can continue. :D


Lets hope so. I've been wanting to get a PS3 and if I can run an OS on it too that would be fun. I never got around to installing linux on my PS2. I have the older model w/o a NIC. So not a lot of use in doing so anyway.
6313) Message boards : Number crunching : Does this seem right for crunch speed? (PS3, Linux) (Message 927519)
Posted 20 Aug 2009 by Profile HAL9000
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Wow, a week for a WU. That is just a waste of electricity.


I agree, that's why I only did (I think?) 2 WUs...
Oh, and if I'm remembering correctly, they were AP and the app was not optimized... (it's been a while, so I could be mis-remembering.)


The new slim PS3's aren't really losing anything by not being able to run an OS. I mean, is there really any point to running an OS on a PS3? I just did it mainly to see it in action and thought that if it was somewhat respectable with crunching SETI, I'd let it run in between watching BluRay movies. Other than that, having an OS run on the PS3 is like a stupid pet trick. Amusing for a minute or two, but serves no purpose.
.


I liked being able to use the PS3 to do a little web surfing in YDL while crunching, but basically I agree. Also, the way I read the article, all PS3s will loose the OS option if they update to the current firmware, not just the slim ones, but that could be incorrect.

-Dave

I may not own a PS3, But I think losing the ability to run Linux on the PS3(among any others of course) is not cool. And I'd hope Yer incorrect also.


I give it less then a week before someone cracks it anyway. I don't think installing other OSs was supported at first for the PS3.
6314) Message boards : Number crunching : Really long MB wu. (Message 927428)
Posted 20 Aug 2009 by Profile HAL9000
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Something similar was going on at my Boinc client. Normal ~3 hour WUs raise up to ~27 hours. A restart didn't change anythiny. So i set manualy the "duration_correction_factor" (located in the "client_state.xml" in the sektion for the projekt) back to a for my computer suitable "0.135000".
As far as i know, the "duration_correction_factor" normaly is dynamicly set by the Boinc client depending on the computationtime your computer needs to finish some WUs, so it varys round a meanvalue, which is "0.135000" for my Intel T72000, 2MHz.
Bionic starts at a fresh installation with the value "1.000000" and corrects it after some chrunching. Important - the "duration_correction_factor"-value must have 6 decimal digits after point.

Maybe only a little hickup from the Boinc client ;-).

__W__


Might have been soemthing like that, but I would think that would effect the estimated time remaining for the other tasks. I'll have to try and remember to look at that if it occurs agian. When I looked at the task before restarted everything it only had about 10 minutes of CPU time. There could have been some sort of other error that didn't show anywhere. The cpu load was still 100% for the system.

Most of all I thought 90 hours was funny for processing time. I was trying the 21600 write delay as most of the tasks take < 6 hours and I thought that might keep the disk writes down. Perhaps even letting the disk spindown every now and then. I had noticed at home on a machine changing the write delay did make the drive run several degrees cooler.

I just thought to look at the result. Someone that knows more about what should be in that might be able to tell if "No heartbeat from core client for 30 sec - exiting" or "
Unrecognized XML in parse_init_data_file: computation_deadline" were the issues.
6315) Message boards : Number crunching : Does this seem right for crunch speed? (PS3, Linux) (Message 927406)
Posted 20 Aug 2009 by Profile HAL9000
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I was bored tonight so I decided to install Linux, Boinc, and SETI on a PS3 for the hell of it...

I don't even have X running. Runlevel is set for text mode. If I want to use X, I'll startx, but mainly I'm just going to be SSH'ing into the PS3 from a laptop.

I installed the Yellowdog Linux 6.1 release, as I didn't feel motivated enough to mess with Fedora (and certainly not Gentoo) over a silly PS3.

[seti@ps3 ~]$ uname -a
Linux ps3 2.6.28-0.ydl61.1 #1 SMP Thu Jan 15 11:29:27 MST 2009 ppc64 ppc64 ppc64 GNU/Linux

Installed:
Boinc Client Version 6.2.19
SETI_Enhanced Application Version 5.15


(as per)
http://www.dotsch.de/boinc/Home.html
(which is most current for PS3 out there)

Stats given on computer account page here:

CPU type: PS3 Cell Broadband Engine [Model 0 ]
Number of processors: 2
Operating System: Linux 2.6.28-0.ydl61.1

(fine so far)

(not so fine)
Measured floating point speed: 296.51 million ops/sec <-- WTF?
Measured integer speed: 1132.02 million ops/sec <-- WTF?

Some more (WTF?) info from BoincView:

FPU Speed: 296.5 MFlops
Total FPU Speed: 593 MFlops
Integer Speed: 1.132 GIOps
Total Integer Speed: 2.264 GIOps
Credits Per Hour: 5.95


(CPU Efficiency is greater than 98 percent on both cores.)

Is this par for what can be expected on a PS3 or is this a joke? I didn't expect a whole lot, but this is like Pentium-II.

Anyone else crunching on a PS3? What are your numbers?

Thanks...


I would have expected a lot more myself. I've got a dual 1.8Ghz PPC Mac at work, which is half the speed of the PS3, and its numbers come up higher then that. I though there was access to 6 of the 8 SPEs in the PS3 as well.
6316) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (23) Server problems (Message 927274)
Posted 19 Aug 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
What that means is that you'd have to have some kind of security mechanism so that BOINC could detect legitimate 3rd party application sites, avoid non-legitimate sites, and prevent BOINC from replacing legitimate applications with malware.

... and if someone tricked BOINC into upgrading improperly, they (the project and the University) would be in some way liable.

Now, I suspect that the third-party sites could build an update module into their apps and handle this outside BOINC, but it is a security issue.

Not everyone on the internet is nice, not everyone has good intentions.


Is there a secure process now when updating the applications?

If someone took over a router or changed some dns server entries they could direct someone anywhere they like really.

Having a requirement like the apps being verisign signed could possibly work. Although $400/yr might be asking a bit much.

They could have a process for 3rd parties sending their apps to them. Then the updates would come from berkeley. Since they have loads of free time now. I'm sure they wouldn't have any problem managing that. :)
6317) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (23) Server problems (Message 927246)
Posted 19 Aug 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Carrying this over from the previous thread.

Vistro Wrote:

I have to visit every machine anyway to install. I have two flash drives so I can work on two machines at once, or have someone else help me. A staff member will be present for every install, for their purposes and mine.

I wasn't actually talking about the first visit, but what happens if there is a new optimized science app. (or an entirely new app from the project).

In other words, the second, third or fourth visits.

If you optimize, and there is a new, urgent, must be updated science app., you'll have to visit every machine again to update them.

If you don't optimize, BOINC will handle the updates for you.


That is a good wishlist item. Process for 3rd party apps to update themselves.
6318) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (23) Server problems (Message 927239)
Posted 19 Aug 2009 by Profile HAL9000
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Ah. There are steps that will allow me to move on to a new machine so I can work on multiple computers and bring the average time down.

That is, if the tech weenie says yes. I know one heck of a lot more than this guy and he gets paid more than me!

Dude only know how to operate macs. He almost called in for a higher-up to come in for something and the staff said "Actually, we have someone better", and then they called me out of a timed test. To unfreeze something they could have just killed with the task manager.

So this guy naturally hates me. I asked him "do you even know your way around half of these machines" and he looks at me like I was satan himself and said, in the most rich and stuck-up voice I've ever heard and said "I prefer a macintosh"

I wanted to punch the guy out so hard. I hate macs, I prefer PCs, but I still know how to kill something on a mac!


If you want to trim down your install time to around a minute just copy the data folder from boinc that is installed somewhere and put it on your flash drive.

Depending on the OS you could even use autostart and have it run a bat file to copy the contents from the flash drive to the machine and do all the hookie pokie for you. I do something simular to this for my machines. As I reimage them sometimes several times a day.
6319) Message boards : Number crunching : 6.10 ATI Workunits (Message 927224)
Posted 19 Aug 2009 by Profile HAL9000
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First the projects will have to release a CAL (ATI) app.


I guess that explains the "no CAL runtime libraries installed" message then.
6320) Message boards : Number crunching : pending credits (Message 927217)
Posted 19 Aug 2009 by Profile HAL9000
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Im just wondering how high I can expect my pending credits to go. Ive been running myu i7 for a week and pendings are at allmost 16,000. Im running Op apps with cuda.


I have been seeing mine float between 40,000 and 50,000 for the past few weeks.
6321) Message boards : Number crunching : Really long MB wu. (Message 927213)
Posted 19 Aug 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I had noticed it had been over 24 hours since one of my machines contacted the servers. So I took a look at it and found it was busy crunching away.



After restarting the machine and Boinc the task restarted. It looks like it will be processed like normal now.

I had been toying with the drive write delay. I guess after a few weeks with a 21600 second write delay something gave out. lol I have since set it down to a 3600 second delay.
6322) Message boards : Number crunching : boinc queue manipulation oddity (Message 927092)
Posted 19 Aug 2009 by Profile HAL9000
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but if there's an ability to do it, at least one user out there will do it.


Just like putting plastic shrink labels in a thermal printer.....
6323) Message boards : Number crunching : boinc queue manipulation oddity (Message 927007)
Posted 18 Aug 2009 by Profile HAL9000
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You all have listed work arounds or the like; thanks. I may test them out when I have time.

My point is that boinc is not being rational from the user perspective, is it? I am presented with a table of tasks. I select a number to suspend. Boinc acts correctly by shifting the computing to the remaining available ones. But it acts unexpectedly by starting several that should have been suspended, and then suspends them! If I'm not being short-sighted, I thought I might expose the issue for discussion.


I have tried this with 6.6.36 and didn't get this behavior using a quad xeon system. That system has 119 tasks, 3 day cache, on it right now. Do you happen to know how many tasks you were suspending? Your core 2 quad does process faster then the xeon system I was using. So it would have a much larger cache I would guess.

You might want to try the newer app to see if this still occurs for you. They might have made changes to the code since 6.6.20 as to how tasks are suspended. Making it suspend non running tasks before running tasks.
6324) Message boards : Number crunching : boinc queue manipulation oddity (Message 926980)
Posted 18 Aug 2009 by Profile HAL9000
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I've seen this behavior a couple of times using boinc 6.6.20:

I noticed a single shorty in my task queue and I wanted it processed now, rather than wait for boinc to decide to start it. So I selected all wu's in the tasks windows except that shorty and clicked suspend. The shorty starts up and then I resume all the suspended tasks.

What I find is that when I suspended the tasks, somehow boinc has started 9 other wu's for between 1 and 3 seconds and then suspends them. (I'm using a quad) The result is, in this case, 9 wu's are ready to run which hadn't been running before I clicked suspend, and 1 other one is ready to run, having been displaced by the shorty that gets launched as intended.

So, boinc seems to want to launch a few ready-to-start wu's in the process of suspending the queue. This isn't a problem, per se, but it does reflect some bad programming it seems.



I could see it working like that if you selected the running and waiting tasks and told them all to suspend. I expect it suspended the running tasks, started the next one, suspended it, started the next one, suspended it, started the next one, suspended it and on until it caught up.

I would have selected the waiting tasks, suspended them, then suspended the running tasks to force the one you wanted to run.
6325) Message boards : Number crunching : I'm quitting Seti 'cause of increased power cost coming from "Cap and Trade" (Message 926979)
Posted 18 Aug 2009 by Profile HAL9000
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The cost of hydro is real. I just set up my first ever dedicated machine tonight. However I did set it to stop crunching between 3 pm and 7pm which are the highest energy use times in my area. I figure there's no point adding to the strain of the grid. However... I do have the windows update run during that time. Too bad I can't program my PC to auto start-up at certain times.


Even if your bios doesn't support an auto wake up feature. You could schedule a windows task to run at the time you would like your machine to wake up. You may need to have your computer be in sleep or suspended mode for that to work however.
6326) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (22) Server problems (Message 926811)
Posted 17 Aug 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Just run out of jobs - sobs

that poor team , they have to spend so much time running about fixing stuff it is a wonder they get any research done at all !! ...


I'm just wating for people to stand out in the street with signs "Will crunch WU's for..." lol
6327) Message boards : Number crunching : I'm quitting Seti 'cause of increased power cost coming from "Cap and Trade" (Message 926806)
Posted 17 Aug 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
It's entirely possible. Dust buildup around the fans can prevent them from moving the heat fast enough, thus causing your CPUs to run hotter and less efficient.

Summertime heat can also have an effect if the ambient room temperature is rather warm.


I changed out a fan on an older system last night as it had started to make a lot of noise. After pulling the fan off I then pulled the dust off of the heat sink in a mat. It was both funny and disturbing. I have to remember to clean out my older machines as often as I do my main one.

As I figured I'd clean other systems while I was at it. My MODT server, which I pretty much haven't opened up since I built it, actually had cobwebs inside of the case.
6328) Message boards : Number crunching : I'm quitting Seti 'cause of increased power cost coming from "Cap and Trade" (Message 926648)
Posted 16 Aug 2009 by Profile HAL9000
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Recently, my RAC on one P4 dropped from 350 towards 150, judging by the credit received for the last two weeks. On my quads the credit received has gone up like yours. As far as the P4 goes it gets about 28.76 for 17,614 seconds of work.


That's the problem I have with RAC as a rating system. It doesn't reflect the amount of work a machine actually does in a given time frame unless all of the work you are doing is validation work.

This makes it rather hard to benchmark a system for seti and find the best performance per watt configuration.

I have a machine that I stopped running tasks on over a month ago, as it was just for testing, and it still gets some credit a few times a week form pending tasks.

6329) Message boards : Number crunching : I am just wondering (Message 926375)
Posted 15 Aug 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
That message means the thing you connect to yo get jobs doesn't have any to send right then. It is probably getting hammed by requests and running out really fast.
6330) Message boards : Number crunching : Best GPU performance (Message 925868)
Posted 13 Aug 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I was thinking of an Asus P6T6 WS Revolution MB with 6 BFG NVIDIA GeForce GTX 295 H2OC cards. As they only require 1 slot width. So a "standard" motherboard could have 12 cuda tasks running in theory if it were not otherwise limited and you were willing to spend $8000 on the beast of a machine. lol Newegg has some nice photos of the card.


Ah i thought of that one too but it's a dual slotter as bfgs own homepage quotes:

"One vacant add-in card slot below the PCI Express® x16 slot. This graphics card physically occupies two slots"

From http://www.bfgtech.com/bfgegtx2951792h2ocwbe.aspx

Otherwise it could've been plausible until a company actually could create a true single slotter of a GTX295..

But i don't think it's far fetched that we'll see a performance single slotter soon because nVidia is in the ramps for lower nm on their parts.

Kind regards Vyper


I had seen their statment that it takes up 2 slots, but I figured that was just a space requirement for the default plumbing. Which would need to be modded to fit cards side by side. Personaly I don't have $4800 to spend on video cards to find out. lol
6331) Message boards : Number crunching : Best GPU performance (Message 925866)
Posted 13 Aug 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The board in question has a bunch of PCIe slots, and a processor-board slot at the end. The processor board has the chipset, etc. -- just no slots.

These go in a case designed for the board, with room for 20 cards.

... These types of boards used to come in "split" 10/10 versions, and even split 5/5/5/5, so you could put four complete systems in one 4u case.

Anyone see any prices anywhere to price up a 4 cpu card behemoth to see how it compares against a PC motherboard solution?

Happy crunchin',
Martin


I did find a quad SBC backplane that has has 2 PCIe x16 slots per segment.

A backplane will run you $200-$600. The quad one listed I was quoted at $485 when ordering 1. An average SBC that would support a core 2 duo/quad is $600-$1000 for just the board. Then $1500-$2500 for a dual xeon SBC. Power supplies about $350 each for 750w units. Another $400 for a case that suppports a 20-slot backplane, 3 PSUs, and 24 5.25" drive bays.

Processors, memory, drives[, & batteries] not included. :)
6332) Message boards : Number crunching : Daemon mode question (Message 925858)
Posted 13 Aug 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I've given up on CUDA and want to run BOINC in Daemon mode again on my windows box.

When I un-installed and the installed 6.6.36 it didn't ask me if I wanted to run in Daemon mode and I can't seem to locate the information in the Message Boards.

I seem to recall that I used to be able to execute one of the .exe files with a /install option, but I'm not sure which one.

Thanks,


I think everything you will need is in the User Manual under Creating custom installers.
6333) Message boards : Number crunching : Best GPU performance (Message 925762)
Posted 13 Aug 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
But the question was about a 20 slot expansion backplane.


Hm, i thought he had answered that question himself in my mind, refering to that it's no use and started discussing about the 6 slot PCI-E boards which you can't fit 6 dualies on.

The board in question has a bunch of PCIe slots, and a processor-board slot at the end. The processor board has the chipset, etc. -- just no slots.

These go in a case designed for the board, with room for 20 cards.

So, my only real question is: is it 20 counting the processor card, or 20 plus the processor card.

... and yes, Martin, they're incredibly expensive because we're all out buying motherboards and not investing in these gawdawful expensive things.

These types of boards used to come in "split" 10/10 versions, and even split 5/5/5/5, so you could put four complete systems in one 4u case.


I have only seen SBC that use "2 slots" leaving you with at most 18 free slots. The 20 slot boards also are the whole width of a 19" chassis so the PSU's either get mounted in front or under the board. Making it taller and heavier :/

I haven't found anyone that makes a 3 or 4 SBC backplane that would be ideal for making CUDA crunchers. The best I have come across is a backplane with 6 segments. Each with 1 PCIe x16 connector, and 3 PCIe x8 connectors. So you could have 6 cuda machines in 1 box. There might be a 14-slot split backplane out there with enough slots on it for 2 quad video card machines, but I haven't found it yet.
6334) Message boards : Number crunching : Best GPU performance (Message 925621)
Posted 12 Aug 2009 by Profile HAL9000
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But the question was about a 20 slot expansion backplane.


Hm, i thought he had answered that question himself in my mind, refering to that it's no use and started discussing about the 6 slot PCI-E boards which you can't fit 6 dualies on.

If my assumptions were wrong about the question then i'm sorry, my bad.

Kind regards Vyper


I was thinking of an Asus P6T6 WS Revolution MB with 6 BFG NVIDIA GeForce GTX 295 H2OC cards. As they only require 1 slot width. So a "standard" motherboard could have 12 cuda tasks running in theory if it were not otherwise limited and you were willing to spend $8000 on the beast of a machine. lol Newegg has some nice photos of the card.
6335) Message boards : Number crunching : Best GPU performance (Message 925506)
Posted 12 Aug 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

If the PCIe bus doesn't factor in that much. Then I would go with a 20 clot passive backplane system. Like this with this dual xeon single board computer. 18 295's should be enough right? :)

There isn't a huge amount of data transfer going on. That's why the multiple PCI-e channels aren't an absolute need, though you'd lose some small percentage.

However, the latencies in the switched arrangement of that backplane system could detract a lot. While crunching a midrange ~0.42 angle range WU the CPU has to tell the GPU what to do next about 3 billion times. If there were a 1 microsecond latency on average, that would add 3000 seconds to the crunch time. Average latencies of 40 nanoseconds would still amount to 2 minutes added to the crunch time.

One other detail would require some cooperation from the BOINC developers. The Scheduler won't believe any host has more than 8 CUDA GPUs, quoting from the sched_send.cpp source code:
const int MAX_CUDA_DEVS = 8;
// don't believe clients who claim they have more CUDA devices than this

                                                              Joe


Ah, No point to use more then 4 cards then :/ I wonder if this is an issue they will revisit with the new boards with 6 PCIe x16 slots or when they start cramming more GPUs on the cards.
6336) Message boards : Number crunching : Best GPU performance (Message 925459)
Posted 12 Aug 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
[quote][quote]
Maybe Gigabyte GA-8N-SLI Quad Royal Motherboard? That review is from over 3 years ago, though, so the board might be hard to find. Other boards using the same nVidia chipset might be available, too.
                                                               Joe


My god, its true! They exist......


With the older motherboards only running the PCIe bus in x8 mode for SLI does that impact cuda performance in any way...

x8 should be perfectly fast enough for CUDA. SLI doesn't matter one way or the other with the latest drivers.

F.


If the PCIe bus doesn't factor in that much. Then I would go with a 20 clot passive backplane system. Like this with this dual xeon single board computer. 18 295's should be enough right? :)
6337) Message boards : Number crunching : Best GPU performance (Message 925387)
Posted 11 Aug 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
[quote][quote]
Maybe Gigabyte GA-8N-SLI Quad Royal Motherboard? That review is from over 3 years ago, though, so the board might be hard to find. Other boards using the same nVidia chipset might be available, too.
                                                               Joe


My god, its true! They exist......


With the older motherboards only running the PCIe bus in x8 mode for SLI does that impact cuda performance in any way...
6338) Message boards : Number crunching : A new record (Message 925367)
Posted 11 Aug 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Awesome! Thank you sir. Also, how are all of you adding your stats in your signature?


Depending on the site you want to see the stats from, I'll use BoincStats to demo.

For the BoincStats stats images goto BoincStats for your account.
Click here for your account. I looked yours up for you, but you can access a lot of the popular stat pages from the "Cross-project statistics" section in your account once you are logged in here.
On their site you will see "URL for user signature graphic:" Copy the URL the have provided http://www.boincstats.com/signature/user_220494.gif
Then you will goto the account section here.
On the right you will see "Private messages Inbox | Write For email notification, edit community prefs "
Click the link for "edit community prefs".
Next in the "Signature for message board posts" post the url you copied before. Then select the Update button to save everything.
6339) Message boards : Number crunching : Just for fun, wondering about a no holds barred uber system... (Message 924773)
Posted 8 Aug 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
why are so many people wanting 6 gigs of ram? for a dedicated seti cruncher you dont need anywhere near that amount.

take my personal windows 7 installation for example, its a memory hog and running boinc on a dual core with a cuda card, aero desktop enabled, having a few web browsers open, email, word processor and some photo editing programmes, i'm only using 1.1 gigs of ram. i have 3.9 gigs just sitting there doing nothing.

if you made a dedicated seti cruncher, you would probably want to run windows 2000 or xp. those os's take no more then 256mb of system ram to run a bare bones operating system once all the service packs and updates are applied. it's actually more like 128mb of system ram but we'll play it safe and say 256.

give each astropulse uses about 75mb of additional system ram according to task manager, so for a dual core, thats 150mb. a quad would be 300mb. multibeam work units take less ram but lets build this hypothetical cruncher to handle the bigger work loads. lets build this hypothetical system using a quad core cpu.

now a cuda work unit takes about 75-100mb of system ram according to task manager. so figure you have a few cuda cards filling up those pcix slots on that full size atx mainboard, and call it even at 500mb for a bunch of cuda gpu's memory requirements as far as system ram goes.

thats roughly a gog of ram absolute MAX for a dedicated boinc cruncher that runs no other apps besides seti. it's probably more like 768mb but we'll say a gig to play it safe and leave room for seti work units to increase in size or complexity later down the road. so buy a gig of ram and use the extra bit of cash to buy one model upgrade on the cuda card, or a slightly faster cpu, or buy a gig of really fast ddr, or help offset that monster electric bill you will be paying.

by the way, i did pull these numbers off a few of my windows xp dedicated seti crunchers that do nothing but seti 24/7. or at least when i can afford to pay the electric bill....


I speced out more memory mostly due to the cost per GB factor. A 6GB 3 channel kit costs $150 and a 3GB kit costs $100. I had figured that a system with 12 cuda tasks and 8 cpu tasks would run about 1.5-2.8GB while processing on a x64 OS. Really if you are shelling out $6000 for an uber cruncher to me another $100 or $200 won't matter much. heh
6340) Message boards : Number crunching : Operating system differences for SETI@Home units (Message 924768)
Posted 8 Aug 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
BOINC cannot use GPUs on Mac systems, nVidia must first come up with a 64 bit driver.

News-flash: It's available. Although only from the CUDA download site (as opposed from the driver download site) and its numbering may be a bit awkward.

See http://www.nvidia.com/object/cuda_get.html, choose Mac OS:

CUDA 2.3
CUDA Driver: CUDA Driver 2.3.1 for use with Quadro FX 4800 or GeForce GTX 285 on MacOS X 10.5.2 or later (pre-SnowLeopard), and any NVIDIA GPU on SnowLeopard.
CUDA Driver: CUDA Driver 2.3.0 for all other NVIDIA GPUs on MacOS X 10.5.2 or later (pre-SnowLeopard).


And from the release notes of the SDK:
The CUDA driver and software is available from the main CUDA download site at http://www.nvidia.com/object/cuda_get.html.
On this page, choose Mac OS from the Operating System menu, and download the CUDA Driver, CUDA Toolkit, and the CUDA SDK packages for version 2.3 of the Development Tools.

Note that in previous versions of the CUDA Development Tools on Mac OS, the driver was packaged with the toolkit. As of version 2.3, the CUDA driver is installed as a separate package. There are two options for the CUDA driver: for NVIDIA GeForce GPUs download cudadriver_2.3.0_macos.pkg, and for NVIDIA Quadro GPUs download cudadriver_2.3.1_macos.pkg.


However, There is still no cuda application for seti on the mac. At least not according to the apps list.
6341) Message boards : Number crunching : *CLOSED SETI/BOINC Milestones (tm) XVIII /CLOSED* (Message 924544)
Posted 8 Aug 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
13K RAC and still climbing! Hoping these two (OC, 710Mhz core) 260-216 can make 20k (with 6/8 of my i7 cores crunching, not OC yet).


Looks like you are well on your way according to Free-DC stats.
6342) Message boards : Number crunching : Q9300 Temp Issue (Message 924543)
Posted 8 Aug 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
To clean off thermal compound in the past I have just used an old rag, made out of old cotton undies. Yes, Clean ones....

Paper Towels here.


Coffee filters - they are lint free.



That is a good idea as well, but I'd imagine it might make my coffee taste funny. I generally stay away from paper products if I'm worried about lint or paper dust. We have these towels at work for cleaning up printer toner spills. They are really nice for it and reusable. I assume they are washable as well but in our situation we just toss one out once it stops picking stuff up. Which after 3 years I'm still using one of the same ones. It looks filthy but it cleans things up and holds onto it. I consider them a form of magic.
6343) Message boards : Number crunching : Q9300 Temp Issue (Message 924448)
Posted 7 Aug 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
To clean off thermal compound in the past I have just used an old rag, made out of old cotton undies. Yes, Clean ones....
6344) Message boards : Number crunching : Operating system differences for SETI@Home units (Message 924446)
Posted 7 Aug 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Based on casual observations, it seems like the Linux and Windows platforms seem to process units faster than the Mac OS (Or Darwin Unix/Linux variant).

Is there more overhead for the Mac's to run the Mac GUI? It seems like Windows would be the more bloated app and require for overhead for the GUI.

Has anyone done any actual benchmarking of SETI@Home work units using different operating systems with the same CPU's and GPU's installed to see which one is fastest (or slowest)?


Actually I am in the process of doing that now on some machines at work. There was some talk about in ina thread I had made here.

I am doing tests of x86 BOINC in an x64 OS. I want to try windows on some of the Intel macs too but I don't know if I will have the time for that or not.
6345) Message boards : Number crunching : Just for fun, wondering about a no holds barred uber system... (Message 924443)
Posted 7 Aug 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
my list would be similar to hal9 but it would also have a liquid cooled cpu... but, i would also go server side mb, and get a dual lga 1366...


I haven't found any dual xeon board that have more then 2 or 3 PCIe x16 slots. :( If you really want uber xeon crunching. Then you would want a quad socket mobo. One of those with quad 8 core cpus... and then ht would be some serious processing power.
6346) Message boards : Number crunching : Just for fun, wondering about a no holds barred uber system... (Message 924409)
Posted 7 Aug 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
If I were to build a system just to crunch I'd use the following parts.

1 - Asus P6T6 WS Revolution MB (about $340)
1 - Intel Core i7 Extreme Edition I7-975 (about $1100)
2 - Crucial BL3KIT25664BN1337 6GB 3ch kits (about $150 each)
1 - Thermaltake VH6000BWS Chassis (about $200)
1 - Enermax REVOLUTION85+ 1050W SLi (about $300)
3 - Thermaltake Toughpower Power Express 650W PCIe supplies (about $100 each)
6 - BFG NVIDIA GeForce GTX 295 H2OC (about $800 each)
Water cooled cards only taking up 1 slot.
4 - Western Digital 150GB VelociRaptor WD1500HLFS (about $160 each)
Raid 5, not a lot storage needed for a dedicated cruncher

Around $8000 total for those parts. The electric bill is another matter however. lol
6347) Message boards : Number crunching : Shiny new Xeon X550/Nehalem-EP/Gainstown (Message 924144)
Posted 6 Aug 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Yes, someone did this for AP. I would like to see the same test done for MB.

See the message, anchored in this thread:
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=53097&nowrap=true#897701

It appears to be a linear speedup as you add an additional thread to each core. Therefore, 8 threads does the most work over time. This does make sense; we would need a completely different animal to test (such as 3 threads per core) to see any other result.

Time Processors Time/Proc
58231 8 7278.875
55527 7 7932.428571
51549 6 8591.5
45855 5 9171
35853 4 8963.25


I remember people trying this with seti classic as well. Running more then 1 thread on a core or logical cpu at that time did not yield any advantage, but it would be interesting to see the results with boinc.
6348) Message boards : Number crunching : Window's 7 RTM'd (Message 924143)
Posted 6 Aug 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
As of 1PM EDT MSDN subscribers haare now FINALLY able to download the isos for Windows 7. At the rate we are downloading them now it might be finished by next week :/

Oddly the Windows SErver 2008 R2 downloads seems to have vanished from the MSDN site. 0.o
6349) Message boards : Number crunching : Shiny new Xeon X550/Nehalem-EP/Gainstown (Message 924080)
Posted 6 Aug 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Allrighty then.

Since the host does have a few hundred HT'ed WUs under its belt I have set it to nomorework. I will let the queue drain, turn off HT and start things back up. I'll make sure to post the changeover time so we know when the non-HT'ed work started.

I agree that averaging out the throughput across a few hundred WUs is a good enough comparison. Sorry for being so by-the-book about it. I spend most of my sysadmin days trying to convince management that two cores are not enough to run 8 Oracle databases so I tend to be a bit anal with performance metrics :P


What I've done for benchmarking systems:
1) Shutdown boinc.
2) Copy the boinc folder(s).
3) I then restart boinc with no new tasks and let them run out so they are all reported.
4) Shutdown boinc & replace the boinc folder(s) from the backups.
5) Startup boinc setting no network com and no new tasks.
6) Let all tasks complete & record times
Repete steps 4-6 for diffrent test configurations.

This allows for direct comparisons of the test configuration without the variable of unknown tasks elements.

I run boinc on systems without it having been installed. I did this by copying the boinc program directory and saving it. Then imaged the system to a clean OS. If boincmgr.exe is started in this fashion then the folder where it is located, in my case d:\Boinc, also becomes the data folder. I do this as my test systems at work could be running any OS. This allows me to switch OS's with having to reinstall boinc and set it up everytime I reimage one of them.
6350) Message boards : Number crunching : Shiny new Xeon X550/Nehalem-EP/Gainstown (Message 924055)
Posted 6 Aug 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
There was a lot of talk back in seti@ home classic about if enabling HT was worth it or not. With HT enabled you do get more work done in the same time frame then without it. A good example is that if a task takes 8 hours without HT and takes 12 hours running 2 with HT. Without HT you are performing 3 tasks per day and with HT you are performing 4 tasks per day.
6351) Message boards : Number crunching : Comminicating with BOINC Client. Please wait ... (Message 924052)
Posted 6 Aug 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I've just had a reply from the gods. :-)

Some changes coming in future alpha versions of BOINC. At this moment, with for example 1,200 tasks in your cache, the RPC of BOINC Manager is 1.5 seconds, while the refresh rate (to show everything in real time) is 1 second.

So the gods will try to implement the following:
1. Don't do another update until at least one second has passed since the previous update.
-- The problem here is that you probably get the "Please wait" box for one second, it'll go away for a second, return, etc.

2. Add an "Active Tasks"/"All Tasks" button in the task tab.
-- The idea is to only show those tasks that are currently executing for those with large caches. The selection should survive a manager restart.

Of course, if someone knows how to compress all the data needed into that 1 second, let them know. ;-)


Perhaps tuncate the list to display only n number of tasks based on the sort order that was selected. Altho that might lead to more proccessing time to just display things on the screen.

Another option would be to simply limit the number of items boinc can download. If the download x number of days of work applies to all the projects boinc is currently running. Then it seems that it should be ok to have a limit like. "Give me x number of days of work or y number of tasks to process." Perhaps y would need to be a hard value.
6352) Message boards : Number crunching : Unable to stay logged in (Message 923953)
Posted 6 Aug 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
...If they are still having issues with the new replica box then we are being switched back and forth fomr the primary replica and the secondary replica server. More then likley that kills the session making you need to log back in.

I don't believe that. The logged-in status is achieved with cookies and works even over server outages. Moreover, I am logged in now since several weeks without interrupt.

I think that has to do with the different tabs of FF. Perhaps the version has flaws in that direction?

Gruß,
Gundolf


Actually yeah, thinking about it the cookie is issued by the web server not the db server. So it shouldn't lose it. I had noticed that my machines at work where I pop in to check the forums and what not had to log back in. As well as one of my machines at home last night. However my main home computer did not have to relogin.
6353) Message boards : Number crunching : Unable to stay logged in (Message 923832)
Posted 5 Aug 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Today I am no longer able to stay logged in here. This happens on all computers I've tried so far. Using Win XP and Win XP64 with Firefox and IE7.

Has something changed here on the web pages?

Edit: Now it is working again!


If you don't read the tech news section. Ther is a new replica db server they are toying with. As Matt stated in one of the posts all the info we see when we login comes from the replica server. If they are still having issues with the new replica box then we are being switched back and forth fomr the primary replica and the secondary replica server. More then likley that kills the session making you need to log back in.
6354) Message boards : Technical News : Oh yeah.. That.. (Aug 04 2009) (Message 923826)
Posted 5 Aug 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Sounds like this quirky compaq server I have. Runs windows server 2003 just fine. Unless it is SP2. Then I get random reboots w/o any clue as to what is going on. After months of trying to trace down any driver, service, hardware issue. I just said the hell with it and have left it running SP1. The odd bit is that it was running for some time on SP2 w/o any errors. Just one day it said bloop. and was a pain in my side ever since.
6355) Message boards : Number crunching : kill a watt (Message 922588)
Posted 31 Jul 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
When I was checking out PSUs I found out that 80 PLUS power supply certification requires a power factor of 0.9 or more.

In some locations residential customers do have to pay for their power factor. Which I didn't know for several months in one place I was living. Doh! So while it normally doesn't matter it can't hurt to have PFC stuff if it doesn't cost any more money.
6356) Message boards : Number crunching : Q9300 Temp Issue (Message 922578)
Posted 31 Jul 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
You might want to take a peek over at Silent PC. If you are worried about noise in any way. I have had good luck with thermalright in the past and I'll probably get another cooler from them for the quad chippy.

I have read from several places that it is recomended to regoop our heatsink every 12 months. I guess my old 3Ghz P4 would use some fresh stuff after 3 or 4 years now.
6357) Message boards : Number crunching : moving (Message 922575)
Posted 31 Jul 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hi, yes good luck, Cathode Ray Tube, where/are those monitors called :).
The 17 & 19'' are quite heavy . . .


Yeah I know. We have nothing but 10-12 year old CRTs at work. :/
6358) Message boards : Number crunching : Q9300 Temp Issue (Message 922419)
Posted 30 Jul 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Just finished putting together a quad-core machine utilizing a GIGABYTE GA-G31M-S2L motherboard, Q9300 CPU and 4 gig of RAM. Utilized the stock fan system that came with the CPU. XP Pro for the OS. No overclocking, just totally stock settings.

Started the system up and loaded SETI on all cores and let it run. When I got back several hours later, I found all cores were reporting temps in the mid 50s so I suspended all calculations, and let the system idle. Even at an 'idle' mode, the cores will not drop below 48 or 49C.

Is this temperature considered 'normal', or do I have to invest in some exotic cooling system to keep these temperatures under control ??


That is well under the Thermal Specification of 71.4°C. At which point the CPU will start slowing down to protect itself. After a few days of running 24/7 my E8400 get up to about 60°C which I am OK with. When I get around to ordering a quad chip I am planning to go with an aftermarket cooler just for less noise. Not that the stock intel ones make much of it, but I figure what the hell.
6359) Message boards : Number crunching : kill a watt (Message 922337)
Posted 30 Jul 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:


Is that coding just for standard wiring or does that include dedicated outlets as well? APCs 2200va and 3000va 120v UPS are over spec it would seem if it doesn't. Running 91.6% and 83.3% of their supply circuits. I'm sure any books that covered coding such as that are WAY out of date by now lol.

I know I ahve severa lthings on wasing power now. For one the cable TV box that gets updated randomly and sucks up 25w when turned off. Which doing the math right now costs me about $36/yr if it was just left turned off all the time. :(

I do use the lower pwoer CFLs and led lights for my home. So I would guess I've made up the diff in power cost there. I would really have to put a sensor on every light and device in my home to see if it all really works out tho. Any one want to come wire that up for me? :D


There are units that mount to your power meter and provide readings on your local wireless network, for display on your computer (or internet). That might be a way to go, replete with an interesting display on your CRT! (just kidding about the crt)


There are also people tat put measuring devices on each breaker and chart the data coming off of that. So they know how much of a load something is on each circuit. In my case I have breakers feeding various things all over my condo. I'm still not 100% if I have everything mapped out right. I have things like all the wiring for my sun room is on the same breaker at the vent hood for my stove. and my bathroom is the same breaker as my porch light. Mind you in both of those cases those things are on the other side of the condo from each other.
6360) Message boards : Number crunching : Slow down WU times (Message 922262)
Posted 29 Jul 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Task ID Computer Time reported Run time (sec) granted credit

1315471862 500xxxx 28 Jul 2009 15:26:14 UTC 44,435.33 113.26

1315471863 458xxxx 29 Jul 2009 2:11:55 UTC 12,598.97 113.26


and now the justice ???? ;-)

it is the same WU


Cobblestone = amount of work. Your machine 5001711 with the 2.60Ghz Celeron will take more time to preform the same amount of work as your 4781122 2.66Ghz Pentium4.

One of my machines, located here, took 263,549.70 seconds to get 92.43 credit.

This might be helpful.
6361) Message boards : Number crunching : Slow down WU times (Message 922236)
Posted 29 Jul 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
For July and August of 2001, my 200 MHz. Pentium MMX system averaged 41 hours 51 minutes per Classic WU (min. 35:15, max. 48:49). The only work we've recently had with similar processing is VHAR, before the chirp resolution doubling that host was taking about 39 hours for those. Enhanced processing and the recent doubling produce better science, I would be very unhappy if the project didn't use increasing compute capability to extract as much detail from the data as possible. It certainly doesn't bother me that a midrange WU with a 46 day deadline will take about 10 days on that host.

The notional reference computer would earn 100 Cobblestones a day, that's how those are defined. With a RAC around 10, my 200 MHz. host is probably being overpaid.
                                                                  Joe


Just for fun I put BOINC on this machine. It's been chewing on 1 task for 2 days and I think it still has 100+ hours to go to complete it. Should be fun to see what find of credit it can get lol.

6362) Message boards : Number crunching : Anyone else have issues with the new Nvidia driver? (Message 922224)
Posted 29 Jul 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
19038 has had several computation errors. Also I found if you run the windows experience index while cuda tasks are running they start failing as well.

I have noticed the machine is a lot more laggy while trying to use it. I think the new driver might be giving the seti process to much time and my desktop not enough. I will have to reimage the system and try it with the old driver again.
6363) Message boards : Number crunching : Internet login by url (Message 922221)
Posted 29 Jul 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
1) If the administrators notice that you are screen scraping, they will block your IP address. They have done this before. Please do not release this application as it will have a large number of people screen scraping.

2) Would it be possible to do the work entirely on the client - logging tasks as they complete?

Ok I will stop using this feature, I will try doing it another way.
But at the moment there is no other way, then checking your points and hope for the best.
Is there any other way of checking if your tasks have done ok.
I do it by hand, less efficient and even more load on the server as I go left and right trough the pages.
If you can help me find a better way.


BoincView can log all the wu's you complete. I use it to monitor several machiens across the network.

Yes, but that doesn't tell you anything...
It doesn't tell you if all your WU are ok or in error. This is what I had, seemed to go ok but 1/2 the WU were in error.


So you need to see an error like this?

6364) Message boards : Number crunching : kill a watt (Message 922118)
Posted 29 Jul 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The electrical code is a safety code, so it makes a number of assumptions.

It assumes that, sooner or later, a UPS is going to be plugged in to a non-dedicated line.

It assumes that a 15a branch circuit is wired with 14 gauge copper, and that it will start warming up if you draw more than 80% sustained.

Even on a dedicated circuit, the 1500va unit mentioned in the original post is right at the edge, and if you need a bigger UPS you should have a bigger circuit for it.

A 20 amp circuit is 2400va, a little small for a 2200va UPS.

The 3000va units need a 30 amp circuit.

You can get away with it if you "derate" -- I have two 2200va UPSes carrying a 650va load, with 15a plugs.

Fortunately, peak loads and average loads vary.


I blew the dust off of my NFPA 70 1998 edition. Sooooo much stuff I haven't bothered to rmember. Like the 80% is only for 3 minutes.

I tend to get UPSs that are way overratted for what they will be used for as well. It's cheaper to just get a larger capacity UPS then getting the extended run time ones generally. The 1500va unit I'm using right now runs at 9-11% load to hopefully keep up for any minor outages we have.
6365) Message boards : Number crunching : Internet login by url (Message 922101)
Posted 29 Jul 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
1) If the administrators notice that you are screen scraping, they will block your IP address. They have done this before. Please do not release this application as it will have a large number of people screen scraping.

2) Would it be possible to do the work entirely on the client - logging tasks as they complete?

Ok I will stop using this feature, I will try doing it another way.
But at the moment there is no other way, then checking your points and hope for the best.
Is there any other way of checking if your tasks have done ok.
I do it by hand, less efficient and even more load on the server as I go left and right trough the pages.
If you can help me find a better way.


BoincView can log all the wu's you complete. I use it to monitor several machiens across the network.
6366) Message boards : Number crunching : kill a watt (Message 921964)
Posted 28 Jul 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thanks. There is a lot of focus on sustainability, "net-zero" homes, etc. in my neck of the woods and even when plugged in but unused, little cell phone charger loads are deemed worthy of switching off. Obviously, the commercial example below of 100 VA would be a problem in a home setting; apples and oranges, however.

100va is somewhere around the typical incandescent light bulb (if the power factor is exactly 1, 100va is 100w), so should not be an issue in a residential environment.

According to the electrical code, a UPS must not draw more than 80% of the rating for the plug -- if the cord has a 15 amp "plug" (the most common in the U.S.) it can't draw more than 12a total, or 1440va.

That includes the load and the power to charge the battery.

The typical cell-phone charger draws less than a watt when it isn't actually charging, but plugged in. For most of us, this is going to be one of the very smallest "wasteful" loads. Look at your home entertainment system, you can probably find something there draws far more. Got an extra 'fridge? That's a biggie.


Is that coding just for standard wiring or does that include dedicated outlets as well? APCs 2200va and 3000va 120v UPS are over spec it would seem if it doesn't. Running 91.6% and 83.3% of their supply circuits. I'm sure any books that covered coding such as that are WAY out of date by now lol.

I know I ahve severa lthings on wasing power now. For one the cable TV box that gets updated randomly and sucks up 25w when turned off. Which doing the math right now costs me about $36/yr if it was just left turned off all the time. :(

I do use the lower pwoer CFLs and led lights for my home. So I would guess I've made up the diff in power cost there. I would really have to put a sensor on every light and device in my home to see if it all really works out tho. Any one want to come wire that up for me? :D
6367) Message boards : Technical News : Enter Mork (Jul 27 2009) (Message 921902)
Posted 28 Jul 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Good to hear about the new boxen.

Will this replace sidious is all goes well or will it work in parallel with sidious to help the replica keep up?
6368) Message boards : Number crunching : Internet login by url (Message 921899)
Posted 28 Jul 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Yep but when you are not logged in, you only get 1,2,3,4,5 etc instead of the computer name. And after the login you don't need the userid.
And as the browser automatically logs in, you are forgetting about the login as I did at first.


You do get the unique host id if you are logged in or not. I guess boinc tasks doesn't let you assign the names manually then?

The userid is not used.
Access to the computer page is: http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/hosts_user.php
after login with the Account key.
In BoincTasks you can add/change the computer id and names manually. But what I did is get the computer Id and the name automatically.


I was just playing with that program. It looks neat. After giving it a go. I would understand not wanting to enter the names for a long list of mahcines.
6369) Message boards : Number crunching : Internet login by url (Message 921896)
Posted 28 Jul 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Yep but when you are not logged in, you only get 1,2,3,4,5 etc instead of the computer name. And after the login you don't need the userid.
And as the browser automatically logs in, you are forgetting about the login as I did at first.


You do get the unique host id if you are logged in or not. I guess boinc tasks doesn't let you assign the names manually then?
6370) Message boards : Number crunching : kill a watt (Message 921895)
Posted 28 Jul 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have an APC battery back-up on a couple computers. Has anyone ever measured what they draw when loaded during normal operations, over and above the power passed on to the computer?


99% of the worlds UPSs are switching UPSs. Meaning that most of the time they are providing the wall power to your equipment thought just some filters then switch over to the batteries in a matter of micro or nano seconds when needed.

I did measure the battery charging load of a 1500va rack mount UPS at work when we were having to sort out some power wiring issues. It measured around 100va for the SUM1500RMXL2U.

A lot of the UPS units run a weekly maintenance cycle. Where they will run the load off the batteries for a few minutes then switch back. So if you wanted to figure the extra electric cost form using a UPS you would need to take that into account as well.
6371) Message boards : Number crunching : Internet login by url (Message 921891)
Posted 28 Jul 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Yes this is possible you need two things in the URL you can put more but only two are required.

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/login_action.php?email_addr=your@email.com&key=0047f34825bcf0b9ab6fec4c732c4a30

Put your e-mail address in and your account key that can be seen on your account page. (Not the weak key)

Add &stay_logged_in=1 to have an extended stay session.

This may not work if your program does not have the ability to store your key in a cookie file used to auth you on every page. Also depending on what your programs is doing exactly you may need to add &next_url=home.php to the url.

So it may end up looking like this:

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/login_action.php?email_addr=your@email.com&key=0047f34825bcf0b9ab6fec4c732c4a30&stay_logged_in=1&next_url=home.php

BTW the key in the two examples is not a real key its just an example.


Ok that did the trick.
Only the key is needed, no email, no stay, no redirect.
I now GET the login page and GET the computer page, works fine.
It is for a program I'm working on BoincTasks That version of course can't login so it only gets the computer number instead of the name.
The program nears completion......



If you were trying to access your computers page couldn't you have just used

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/hosts_user.php?userid=8906489

or were you wanting to have access to the host names from the data as well?
6372) Message boards : Number crunching : Is BOINC schedule ok? (Message 921618)
Posted 27 Jul 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Running opt-apps under BOINC 6.6.36, tonight I noticed that 62 of the 232 workunits in Ready status have report deadlines in August, yet BOINC is sometimes crunching just September dated units.

Anything wrong with that?

Can BOINC be directed to work them in chronological order, based on deadline dates?

Martin

If you force BOINC to work strictly in deadline order, it will do the short deadline work first, and not do the longer deadline work until later.

Trouble is, the long deadline work is the work that takes the most computing time (those work units for September).

What BOINC does is process work in the order it was downloaded.

Then, periodically, it runs a simulation -- it projects how long it will take to complete the work it has, if it continues in download order, and if anything will miss a deadline.

If it will, it shifts to deadline-order for that project.

If BOINC is crunching work for September, and not working on stuff for August, then the simulation shows that everything will complete on time.


Not to mention that if you force it to process all of the Aug due wu's you might just get more due in Aug.
6373) Message boards : Number crunching : SETI energy usage (Message 921617)
Posted 27 Jul 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I was doing some playing around with some hardware this weekend. I blew the dust off of my old P3 mother board, an Asus TUSL2-C, and thought I'd give it a go at BOINC while measuring it's power usage.

AE64-Current: 0.2/0.6/0.7-Volt Amps: 24/72/84
Intel(R) Pentium(R) III CPU family 1400MHz [x86 Family 6 Model 11 Stepping 1](1 processors)
AE64-7.97
AE64-2016/0.0039533730

BoincView reports a value of 7.97 credit/hr for this machine. So that with its energy usage gives me a value of 0.0039533730 credits per watt per day. Which is higher then the 2.4GHz P4 machine I have. For this test the power supply, video card, hard drive, and network card from my 2.4GHz P4 machine were used.

Not to shabby for an old out of date machine with PC133 ram if I say so. It's running just slightly behind my 1.5Ghz Pentium M notebook. Which has the faster quad pumped bus and DDR memory.
6374) Message boards : Number crunching : Is BOINC schedule ok? (Message 921613)
Posted 27 Jul 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
If you want to force BOINC to do the ones in deadline order.

1) Set no new tasks
2) Change your connect about ever xx days to a high number like 45

Then BOINC will go into deadline first mode.

However you can just set no new tasks and let it trim things down if you are worried about it.
6375) Message boards : Number crunching : Team disappeared from team stats list (Message 921601)
Posted 27 Jul 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Just wondering...Michigan State University disappeared yesterday from the University team stats list...have 19627 RAC should be in the 19-21 range, but not there...hmmmm?


I found it w/o to much trouble. I just went to the top teams lists and looked for it by total credit and by rac.
6376) Message boards : Number crunching : ReSchedule has finally gotten me into trouble..... (Message 921598)
Posted 27 Jul 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Oh yeah..but the 10 week wait for the rebate sucks ...$20USD = $23.50CAD...better than nothing I guess.


I have a 12 week wait for my Sapphire ATI 4870 I got in June. A wopping $13 USD! lol
6377) Message boards : Number crunching : moving (Message 921550)
Posted 26 Jul 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
yuk, crt's.......


What's a CRT? heh

Good luck with the move phud. I hate moving.
6378) Message boards : Number crunching : ReSchedule has finally gotten me into trouble..... (Message 921549)
Posted 26 Jul 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thought I would take a quick look at that Intel board, so I clicked on the link and noticed it was a Canadian site. Just for giggles, I thought I would try changing it from a .ca to a .com addy to see if it came up in the US tiger site. It did, and I was surprised at the big price difference! It was about $190 CAN final cost on the .ca site and about $151 CAN (converted at current exch rates) on the US site. Not sure what's up with that, but thought it was interesting...


http://www.tigerdirect.cOM/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4555038&Sku=E145-2037

A nice AMD board that supports 3 PCIe 2.0 cards in SLI is...

http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3975888&CatId=2321

and an Intel for the same...

http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4555038&Sku=E145-2037


The ironic part is I believe all of Tigerdirect's shipping to Canada comes from their US distribution center so the US exchange and additional shipping would make up the difference but at least under NAFTA we don't pay any duties on the import of electronics now.

Even more of a difference is that Intel board is the equivalent of $453.00 CAD on an Australian website which really would s**k. More than twice what we would pay here in Canada and even more of a difference from the USD prices.



$20 rebate on it for USB or CAD tho heh.
6379) Message boards : Number crunching : Client Detaching... (Message 921548)
Posted 26 Jul 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
My machine also on a shared KVM with other machines that are OK.

What seemed odd was that although all the tasks show on the web site as client detached, some tasks were still present on the host machine (I went back and manually aborted them - this was the worse part as I was processing tasks needlessly). I would have expected an actual client disconnect to clear out all tasks? All remaining tasks seem to have been downloaded after the event.


I'll just let them process. I noticed one of the task that was listed as "Error while computing" changed to "Completed and validated". This could just be an error on the web page I suppose.
6380) Message boards : Number crunching : Client Detaching... (Message 921447)
Posted 26 Jul 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Zpm,
I do use BAM account manager but this machine was registered with it a long while back not recently.

First connected at 2008-05-13 / 6:59:39
Last connected at 2009-07-26 / 7:11:11

HAL9000,
Do you think the AE35 unit might have caused a loss of contact with my wireless base station - perhaps I should go EVA and replace it? :-)

[edit]I see your machine 5011367 has also has a detach on the 17th.

P.S. Vipin, your 'thread' link is pointing at your host - not a machine[/edit]


I didn't check that one as I hadn't noticed it's rac changing much. Looks like it's spit out a few errors over the weekend as well. I'll have to kick it when I go into work monday.

However for 5036211 I can't think of any reason why it would have any errors. It sits with its terminal locked on the same KVM as 5011367.
6381) Message boards : Number crunching : Client Detaching... (Message 921411)
Posted 26 Jul 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
That is rather odd. Just went thought my machines list and found a few that have several "client detached" tasks. However, For me they are all around the same time on the 21st.
6382) Message boards : Number crunching : ReSchedule has finally gotten me into trouble..... (Message 921409)
Posted 26 Jul 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thought I would take a quick look at that Intel board, so I clicked on the link and noticed it was a canadian site. Just for giggles, I thought I would try changing it from a .ca to a .com addy to see if it came up in the US tiger site. It did, and I was suprised at the big price difference! It was about $190 CN final cost on the .ca site and about $151 CN (converted at current exch rates) on the US site. Not sure what's up with that, but thought it was interesting...

http://www.tigerdirect.cOM/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4555038&Sku=E145-2037


That is one of the boards I was looking at before I had bought the Asus Striker II NSE.

However I later returned it as the nvidia chipsets just don't have the same i/o performance to the drives as the intel chisets.

But just for loads of CUDA action you might want the Asus P6T7 WS SuperComputer It has 7 PCIe x16 slots so you would be able to sticks 7 single slot cards or just 3 of the big dual slot ones in.
6383) Message boards : Number crunching : Remote Controlling multiple machines at one IP (Message 921356)
Posted 25 Jul 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I got my school to add BOINC to the lab computers when the year starts up. Strange that staff check their email during the summer.

I want to be able to control these machines remotely, and I have permission for that, but how do I pick between 20 machines at one IP?

Port forwarding is no good at this point, only one computer can be forwarded at one time. I don't even know the port(s) that need to be forwarded!

What do I do?

I don't want to control ALL of them at once, I want to be able to pick one, but they are all at the same IP.


So you want to control them from outside the school or control them from one machine on the school network?

Once they are setup there isn't really that much to control. Unless you just want to to be able to see what they are doing.
6384) Message boards : Number crunching : Spec me a "most bang for the buck" machine. (Message 921349)
Posted 25 Jul 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Does having a raid 0 hard drive improve seti crunching?
I was looking at a HP computer that had to 500 GB drives in the raid 0 config, and the claim was that it improves performance for gamers, just wondered if that would carry over for crunching?


BOINC writes very small files to your hard drive. Writing 200KB, or even 2MB of data to the hard drive with many of today's drives utilizing an 8, 16 or 32MB cache on the drive itself is plenty fast. The hard drive isn't really the bottleneck in many systems. I can't really imagine more than a 1-2% difference, which is within the margin of error for most tests.


Setting BOINC to only allow disk writes over 5-10 minutes, or even longer say an hour, negates any effects of the storage volume as well. Which might be a good idea for those with SSDs. As those do have limited R/W cycles.
6385) Message boards : Number crunching : ReSchedule has finally gotten me into trouble..... (Message 921165)
Posted 24 Jul 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
If I finish my current cache and reset the project, will THAT help ?


When changing your settings on the website.

Were you doing like this:
1) Change website setting.
2) Set to no new tasks.
3) Select Update.
4) Set Allow New Tasks.
5) Select Update.

I have found reschedule has actually been moving cpu wu's to the gpu for me.
6386) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (22) Server problems (Message 920964)
Posted 24 Jul 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I changed over to a venue that has:

MB: no
ap: yes
ap_v5: yes
others?: yes

This resulted in a lot of "nothing available for ap_v5, sending work from other applications" and that being MB. Did manage to get one ap_v505 out of ~40 work requests. I changed back to:

MB: yes
ap: yes
ap_v5: yes
others?: yes

I just wanted to get one ap_v505 to see what my completion time is going to be.


I think I should setup my machine 5018628 in a venue like that, but perhaps not enable work for others.

You might want to look at the task times on that machine too.
6387) Message boards : Number crunching : Welcome to the 10 year club (Message 920918)
Posted 24 Jul 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I crunched PAST the Classic shutdown, my last WU couldn't be returned because the Classic servers were permanantly shutdown.

And I STILL don't have an avitar!


Oh I had several machines running it past the cut off. I imagine the web server for the company I use to work for still loads it on start up. lol
6388) Message boards : Number crunching : SETI energy usage (Message 920909)
Posted 24 Jul 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Having had an ID 10 T error. I had just thought to change the "Write to disk a most every n seconds" setting. Changed it to 300 seconds and noticed my old 76 gb raptor drop from 37ºC to 34ºC. Fewer write operations seems to lower the power used and heat generated. I consider it a win for efficiency until I can get a really cheap SSD for that system.

I have also been thinking about running BOINC on a ram drive with something like a 5-10 min save for it.
6389) Message boards : Number crunching : *CLOSED SETI/BOINC Milestones (tm) XVIII /CLOSED* (Message 920901)
Posted 24 Jul 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I just rolled over 200,000 today. I hope that in my next 28 days since coming back to seti I'll be able to do a bit more.

/me cheers for everyone
6390) Message boards : Number crunching : Welcome to the 10 year club (Message 920899)
Posted 24 Jul 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
May I submit a membership application on behalf of my Celeron 400 MMX:



Crunched Classic until closedown, and is crunching today:



(and since it does 50% Einstein, it'll be crunching tomorrow, whatever happens with the servers)

Anyone else got a computer in the 10 year club?


That is pretty neat. The 333Mhz Celeron I had when I started seti@home no longer has a motherboard but I still have the CPU! I was cleaning up some stuff on an older system and I found an old install folder for BOINC dating back to 11/23/2003 3:54AM. Guess I didn't sleep back then either lol

I'm sure if I look really hard I could find a floppy with the command line seti@home application I use to use to setup systems at work. Wait.... I don't have a floppy drive anymore.

Cheers to everyone's 10 years of setiing!
6391) Message boards : Number crunching : Directly Proportinate Giving (Message 920893)
Posted 24 Jul 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Regarding the fall 2008 budget, that was a "straw budget" showing how they planned to spend the amount of donations they were requesting. When such a budget is not approved (as in the money isn't provided) the usual procedure is to cross out non-essential lines, use holding actions rather than fixes for others, etc. If the provided money is enough to keep the project alive under those conditions, it keeps operating.

Should they have used the actual donations received to get a 1 GBit line, and cross out everything else? Of course not!

To get back to the topic of the thread, I don't think anyone should feel obligated to give money as well as do the work. Still it can be interesting to derive some numbers. BoincStats shows the total project RAC from the July 23 stats dump as very near 65 million credits per day. Divide the requested $548200 by 365 to get the wanted daily rate of about $1502. Divide that into 65 million to get 43278 credits per dollar. Since the minimum donation is 10 dollars if every participant donated 10 dollars each time their total credit crossed a multiple of 432780, pure math says the project would be in good shape. Of course many participants won't ever get to the first 432780....

With only a small fraction of users willing to donate cash, we have the same problem as other entities which need donations to survive. If those who actually donate do so generously enough they'll make up for those who don't. I read somewhere that public radio stations feel they've done well in fundraising if 3% of their listeners donate, and those stations can directly ask users to consider giving. Doing that several times an hour makes it likely that any listener who will give is reminded often enough they don't forget to actually do it.

I don't have any idea how to stimulate more donations, but I certainly appreciate threads which attempt solutions. My own approach has been to not buy new crunching equipment since I feel donating is more help to the project.
                                                                Joe


If I didn't get a 15% pay cut starting in July I'd be able to donate cash. For now I've purchased a few things to make my home computer more efficient to lower my electric bill. Spend $100 to gain $200 over the year sort of stuff. I'm hoping that next year I'll be able to make a some cash donations.

This would probably be a question for Blurf. Anyone know if they get donations for simple stuff that they have to purchase now. Like office supplies and what not? Might be able to hit up some local office depots or whatever is the the area for things of this nature.
6392) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (22) Server problems (Message 920890)
Posted 24 Jul 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Well, a new internet link won't fix the tasks list.

They would need a new server for that, right?


They need a gigabit internet connection to ensure enough bandwidth for all the hungry crunchers. They need powerful enough servers to not drop all the connections asking for more work or returning results.


You know... I bet that once the gb line is up and running that usage wil lend up topping out at like 110mb lol.
6393) Message boards : Number crunching : Directly Proportinate Giving (Message 920670)
Posted 23 Jul 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
How about for every $1 donated, the user gets their credit increased by 10 ?


I do not know if he was joking, but Eric once said he'd be interested in looking at this option if it came down to it.

From my own personal perspective, I think that using money to increase one's RAC would devalue the actual computational contribution value of the Cobblestone. Perhaps since people like watching stats and competing to raise them, then maybe two new stats should be introduced under people's names: Money donated in the last quarter and Total money donated since joining the project.


Perhaps in that idea ever became a reality it would be seomthign along the lines of being displayed as "Total Credit(Processing Credit)"
6394) Message boards : Number crunching : Directly Proportinate Giving (Message 920574)
Posted 23 Jul 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I had a thought last night. Because I don't sleep. I am incapable of falling asleep before 2AM. Moving on.

It would make a lot of sense to donate in a way directly proportionate to how much resources you use.

I decided that it would be easier to do it by cores. It does not matter if it is a 1Ghz core, or a 3Ghz core. 1 core is one dollar. For CUDA cards, for every task that your CUDA card can perform simultaneously, that's two dollars (those things perform really fast.)

So, take for example my server. It has 8 cores. That's 8 dollars. Then there's the D610, that's 1 dollar. Then my laptop, running 7. That's a dollar. Cowell_PC, that's two. So there's 12 dollars, directly tied to how much resources I use. Note that the 98 and the laptop with the nvidia card are no longer in use. But for the laptop with the nvidia card, that would be 4 dollars. 2 cores and a CUDA capable of one task.

12 bucks. But how often? This is purely up to you. Do it monthly, do it yearly, do it whenever you feel nice. I am suggesting monthly, but again, it's however you feel like it.

I WAS going to give you mikeC's list of computers, but I realized that would be a bad example. But can someone explain how 2 cores at 2.55Ghz can turn out over two thousand RAC?! With no CUDA?

But.... consider my idea. If you don't know how much to donate, look to your computers page.


A per core estimate is a poor system. It does not reflect the amount of work that is actually being done. A 3 CPU P2 comes out the same as a Core 2 Duo with an single cuda task running. There is a very wide gap there.

<sarcasim>
I think $1 USD * your RAC each month would be a much better donation.
</sarcasim>

Personally, I donate with my time and by paying my electric bill.

If they were actually given a super computer to crunch all this data on themselves they would be paying $1,000's or $10,000's a month for their power bill.

I say if you have spare cash to donate please do. If not. Donate in anyway you can.
6395) Message boards : Technical News : Working as Expected (Jul 13 2009) (Message 920569)
Posted 23 Jul 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
This is the worst I've seen it in my seven years, but I'm told that there were worse outages back with SETI Classic, its only that many didn't notice because WUs back then took so long to crunch on the average machine that the server could be down for nearly a week before people would notice.


Yeah, The outages back in the classic days were in fact EPIC! Back then I use to run a lot more machines, but there were advantages to how that application worked back then to ride out outages. I had at one time estimated that if it had not been for outages I could have be able to actually do 1,000,000 hours of processing time instead of just around 800,000 something.

I do miss some of those old stats. Where you could see your total CPU time and average CPU time for all the wu's you had done.
6396) Message boards : Number crunching : Best OS per platform for processing? (Message 920566)
Posted 23 Jul 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I don't understand why Windows 7 is so great.....and everyone is in such a hurry to jump-ship from Vista in favour of it.

I love Vista x64.


for me it is actually just getting it so we can start testing our drivers at work and get things certified. Personally I don't care for Vista or Win7. I only use Vista at home for the DX 10.1 support.


Any news on Win7? It wasn't released last week as hoped.


I bitched at our MS guy that went to the conf last week about getting everyone hopes up. He said they were not given any info about when it would be released.

However there was a small posting about it here. That you might be interested in. :)
6397) Message boards : Technical News : Working as Expected (Jul 13 2009) (Message 920560)
Posted 23 Jul 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Well that simple, the database will know if a processor is a true 32 or true 64 bit and or 64 bit running in 32 bit mode, this would still be marked as fast, as it displays the processor information and the operating system that a participant is using.

How long does it take your machine to crunch an average wu?

I have 2 retired supermicro servers each one has (2) 3.2Ghz/533 DP xeons, on average it takes about 8hrs to crunch a normal wu, 11hrs for the larger ones, and about 3hrs for the short ones.

Anthony.


I've been running 5 machines in my test lab at work with 32 and 64 bit windows OS's and so far it is looking like 32 bit vista is the fastest OS's to run seti on. This includes Intel, & AMD systems of varying speeds. The AMD systems being slower with their smaller L2 cache. I still have some more checking to do before I finally collect all my data and post my results in another thread about this.
6398) Message boards : Number crunching : SETI energy usage (Message 920391)
Posted 22 Jul 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Here's what My average cost per KWh should be: $0.03239(after a 20% Care Rate Discount), My Electricity cost Me $61.31 last month, I don't know what My next bill will be like of course, As there have been what I'd think are minor reductions in usage around here, 2 clocks(one with big red leds that's a clock radio), 2 older Ethernet devices were replaced with a new model 7500 DSL Modem/Router(Its Black too), I'd be surprised If the bill was under $61 of course as I've had to run the cooler on high, sometimes 24/7 and If certain things I've put in motion bear fruit I plan to do some hdd(750GB 7200rpm, instead of 10,000rpm and 150GB+250GB[7200rpm]) and cooling(CoolIT DM-1000 Domino A.L.C. CPU Cooler) upgrades to this PC, Plus getting the A/C's Refrigerant refilled($120) in My Car. I'm not sure which is hotter 109F outside yesterday or the A/C in My Car right now. :o


I bought some of those WD green 1TB drives for my new system. They say they use a variable spindle speed from 5400-7200rpm. Which I can't actually notice any speed change from my old array of sata 320gb drives. However, they do run MUCH cooler.
6399) Message boards : Number crunching : SETI energy usage (Message 920286)
Posted 22 Jul 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Seti could do the world, and themselves, a favor by not issuing wu's to these slow computers. I know that perspective isn't popular, but it is rational.

What if the world doesn't want any favors?


Not to mention that it depends on what type of rational one is using. We can talk about energy efficiency all we want, but that doesn't change the fact that many people simply do not have the up front costs of replacing their system, nor does it address the "why replace it if it still works" mentality that many people have. Not everyone upgrades just because there's something new(er) out. A lady down the street from me still uses an old AMD Athlon Socket A 1.1GHz CPU, completely loaded with start-up software. The thing takes (no joke) ten minutes to boot Windows XP, and she refuses to replace it because it still works.


You mean that that I need to tell my boss that we need to replace my triple Xeon 400mhz system just because it's old? I'm not sure that "being old" would justify the $50-60,000 to replace it. Granted it's performance per watt might actually come out to a negative number somehow lol. It might be old but it does do exactly what we need of it really well. Even with seti running on all 3 cpus.

My home systems on the other hand. I am optimizing to get the best performance/watt out of them. Testing things like 5% overclock used 10% more power. So scratch that one. Running with 2 instead of 4 memory dimms. and I just bought some eSATA brackets to connect a dvd drive externally so I don't have to leave a drive in the system all the time sucking down power.
6400) Message boards : Number crunching : 8600 GTS vs. E8400 (Message 920139)
Posted 21 Jul 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hello folks!
I'm currently crunching with my E8400 (C2D at 3.0 GHz, not OC'd). I've now read about this CUDA-thing and am considering putting in a CUDA-enabled card. What I could afford and pick up in a shop around the corner right now is a (outdated, I know that) NVDIA 8600 GTS. Since I know next to nothing what parts/characteristics of such a card do matter in terms of processing power for SETI, I ask you to help me out. Would the aforementioned card do better than a E8400?

Thanks a lot,

Kai-Uwe


I have an 8500 GT in this AMD system I am logged into right now. The CUDA wu's run on average near the same as one of the CPU wu's. Sometimes slower, or faster depending on the wu itself.

Would you be upgrading your video just to run seti on or you going to do some gaming as well? If you are planning to play games as well you might want to really get a newer card. Shopping around on the internet might get you a batter card for the same money you would spend in the store.
6401) Message boards : Number crunching : Retry Now if Suspended? (Message 920132)
Posted 21 Jul 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
It's strange. Every time I use the BOINC manager to connect remotely to the editing suite (this is what allows me to be a lazy cruncher), all of the uploads say suspend.

Is it okay to hit the retry now ONCE in this situation just go give them a timer?


If connectivity is not an issue for you. Then you could try setting Activity > Network activity is always available.
6402) Message boards : Technical News : Working as Expected (Jul 13 2009) (Message 920129)
Posted 21 Jul 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Just noticed that even though there was a download dip and upload spike in the graph that ML1 displayed, that when looking at the packets there is virtually no variation on the uploads.

OUCH! That's a direct link to Cricket. Very antisocial...

I'll capture the latest graphs and link them to my hosting.


Interesting point there!

Note that there are many bits in a packet and so the packet numbers will be a ratio of the bit rate, assuming that the average packet size remains the same.

More musing...

Regards,
Martin


Bit rate:




And the packet rate (x2 vertical scale):




And the bit rate and packet rate (x2 vertical scale) combined:



Note: Green = downlink, blue line = uplink.

(Note 2: Fixed plots. DO NOT LINK DIRECTLY TO CRICKET!)


I think I detected a signal from ET in that waveform! :D
6403) Message boards : Number crunching : SETI energy usage (Message 919520)
Posted 19 Jul 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I am shocked...............

I have run my cache out on all 4 of my boxes and shut them down in anticipation of a 10 day vacation beginning tomorrow.

Now is less noise in the house, the A/C actually stops running even now in the late afternoon. Now with CUDA being enabled the boxes are giving out a lot more heat than when it was just CPU's crunching and now I see the effects of it on the A/C. I had seen reports of the electricity cost of crunching but always felt it was exagerated. Now I'm not so sure. My home is actually cool now without the added heat load from the computers running.

In the past I have left my boxes crunching while gone on vacation. I even left them on when hurricane Ike payed us a visit. This time just decided to shut it down. The problems at Berkeley are a large part of why I came to this decision to shut down. I hope they get it going while I am gone.


But in the winter I would imagine that heat would be welcomed. As it would not be heat just for the sake of heat. Yesterday I was routing some network cables to my sun room to stick some computer in there. Get them out of my computer room and let it cool off a bit.
6404) Message boards : Number crunching : What BOINC features we need and what don't (Message 919518)
Posted 19 Jul 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

I hope 37 doesn't use FIFO. The wu's I had to chew on on my current machine were all due in aug sometime. After connecting last night I've been given a load of wu's due on july 25th, 26th, and a few due the 23rd. FIFO would result in the 23rd due wu's being rather late.

The normal BOINC scheduling is (and has been) FIFO for quite some time.

Frequently, BOINC runs a simulation of "FIFO" processing to see if the case you mentioned above might happen.

If it will, it shifts to processing work in deadline-order.

Both are needed: if BOINC did strictly FIFO, short-deadline work would never be done before the less-urgent, long-deadline work.

If BOINC did strictly deadline-order, it can find itself with what was a long-deadline work unit that it has not started, and is very nearly late.

FIFO as a normal policy, with deadline-order for exceptional circumstances seems to work well -- going back to 5.x and probably earlier.


I haven't really watched it to see how everything was handled. When you first go into the tasks list and you notice it finishes a task and then switches to a task that isn't due for 3 weeks. It does throw up a flag of "hey, why did you do that"

If there were fields for downloaded date/time and completed date/time in the client it might make it easier for people to understand what it is doing, if it was a major problem. Honestly it works well when left on its own.
6405) Message boards : Number crunching : When Boredom leads to Registry Editing.......... (Message 919514)
Posted 19 Jul 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
If they were not at bandwidth/server limits now. I'd like to see a BOINC app for my phone. :D

Like Boincoid perhaps?
                                                                Joe

I remain unconvinced that it will ever work well.

... There may be a very few specialist applications where a phone makes some kind of sense. I really doubt that any of the CPU intensive projects fall in this category.

Exactly so. The phrase "horses for courses" comes to mind.

And beware... There may be some very high performance DSP circuitry in a phone that may be subverted to do more general processing.

Is there not some project somewhere utilising the DSP chips on PC sound cards?!

There must be lots of potentially neat Boinc projects possible for engaging bored commuters trapped on trains and buses and public transport queues...

A Boinc-oid Boinc project to tap into the combined real-world wisdom of the denizens of the Clapham omnibus?


But also note, the java/Android porting of Boinc may well get used far beyond just mobile phones.

Happy crunchin',
Martin


You know. A lot of switches have high powered CPUs in them. My little home router for instance.
CPU: Intel IXP425-266
DRAM:32M
Flash: 8M

Once I really throttled my connection and the cpu usage on it went up to 2%.

It may have spare CPU cycles, but it has no spare RAM.


In my little home router that is true. Would need to be a switch/router with more base ram or with memory upgrade options.
6406) Message boards : Number crunching : CPU Optimization gone wrong ? (Message 919468)
Posted 19 Jul 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
You didn't mention which CPU/PC this was. I'm betting its the AMD. AMD doesnt usually show SSE3 since thats an intel name and is probably a registered name/trademark. AMD doesn't do SSSE3 or SSE4.1 at all. AMD does do SSE4a which doesnt really do anything more than SSE3 which is why nobody has made an app for it.


I get the same thing on my current machine. I wasn't really worried about it. Just figured they didn't bother to do the stuff to clean it all pretty.

7/15/2009 6:28:03 AM Processor: 2 GenuineIntel Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU E8400 @ 3.00GHz [x86 Family 6 Model 23 Stepping 6]
7/15/2009 6:28:03 AM Processor features: fpu tsc sse sse2 pni mmx

Second Life shows my CPU into like this:
CPU: Intel Pentium III/Pentium III Xeon (0.25 micron process) with external L2 cache (2999 MHz)
6407) Message boards : Number crunching : When Boredom leads to Registry Editing.......... (Message 919466)
Posted 19 Jul 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
If they were not at bandwidth/server limits now. I'd like to see a BOINC app for my phone. :D

Like Boincoid perhaps?
                                                                Joe

I remain unconvinced that it will ever work well.

... There may be a very few specialist applications where a phone makes some kind of sense. I really doubt that any of the CPU intensive projects fall in this category.

Exactly so. The phrase "horses for courses" comes to mind.

And beware... There may be some very high performance DSP circuitry in a phone that may be subverted to do more general processing.

Is there not some project somewhere utilising the DSP chips on PC sound cards?!

There must be lots of potentially neat Boinc projects possible for engaging bored commuters trapped on trains and buses and public transport queues...

A Boinc-oid Boinc project to tap into the combined real-world wisdom of the denizens of the Clapham omnibus?


But also note, the java/Android porting of Boinc may well get used far beyond just mobile phones.

Happy crunchin',
Martin


You know. A lot of switches have high powered CPUs in them. My little home router for instance.
CPU: Intel IXP425-266
DRAM:32M
Flash: 8M

Once I really throttled my connection and the cpu usage on it went up to 2%.
6408) Message boards : Number crunching : What BOINC features we need and what don't (Message 919459)
Posted 19 Jul 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
...the ability to MANUALLY click/choose WU to run in High Priority mode (like the suspend button ?)

This is virtually guaranteed to cause deadline problems.

Why? People will say "this has a short deadline, better give it priority or it won't get done!" to the point that the longer deadline (longer processing) work units will have 30 hours of work when there is 24 hours to go.

As with the earlier comment about the OP wanting "pairing" to work around the missing ATI support, this is a work-around for a perceived flaw in the scheduler.

If left alone, BOINC will make deadlines, and it's really hard to trick it into missing them.


I just want the ability to 'CLEAN UP' the 6-10 half-ran and abandoned CUDA WU's that stay running in my Task Manager stuck at 95% till BOINC decides to get to them.....without having to shut down BOINC and restart.

Get what I am saying ?


Are you running BOINC 6.6.37 by any chance? Its a little better in that it now keeps the order the wu arrived in for FIFO processing (earlier BOINC's didn't). This means that it usually gets to resuming them sooner if they go to "waiting to run" status. It doesn't fix the problem properly, but it certainly has improved things.

As for ATI support thats slated for BOINC 6.10.


I hope 37 doesn't use FIFO. The wu's I had to chew on on my current machine were all due in aug sometime. After connecting last night I've been given a load of wu's due on july 25th, 26th, and a few due the 23rd. FIFO would result in the 23rd due wu's being rather late.

They might just need to impose a smaller additional wu limit for people to set. I did find 2 or 3 days was to small to account for large outages. So on some of my faster machines I did bump it to 4 days. As the wu's are processed faster then estimated.
6409) Message boards : Number crunching : When Boredom leads to Registry Editing.......... (Message 919253)
Posted 19 Jul 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
If they were not at bandwidth/server limits now. I'd like to see a BOINC app for my phone. :D

Like Boincoid perhaps?
                                                                Joe

I remain unconvinced that it will ever work well.

1) No math co processor. This makes the processing for math intensive projects thousands of times slower for the same clock speed.
2) Lower clock speed than for desktop or lap top computers.
3) Drastic reduction in clock speed if the user is not active at the keyboard.
4) No cooling.

Is it really worth the bother to attempt for a general cruncher?

To get any kind of speed, the phone will have to be kept "active" and that kills battery life. There may be a very few specialist applications where a phone makes some kind of sense. I really doubt that any of the CPU intensive projects fall in this category.


I doubt a phone could get much of a RAC, but the idea here is that there is a lot of processing power out there in what is a ubiquitous device. Each phone is fairly worthless as a cruncher, but there are many phones.

The BOINCOID developers talk of crunching only when on the charger.


That's neat that they are working on something. Unless they make some kind of JAVA version I don't think I'd be able to run it tho. That would really give a whole new meaning to trying to contact ET I think. lol

I would like to see how the 369Mhz ARM11 processor in my Nokia 3610 would actually do. I don't think my older phones with just a few mb of internal memory would work for such a task, but the smart phones that run windows might be able to do something.

Really given the resources I'd try to run applications on the processor in my microwave.
6410) Message boards : Number crunching : SETI energy usage (Message 919242)
Posted 19 Jul 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I would love to get one of the Atom based rigs up and running as a server here at home, unfortunately, given only a single PCI slot always leaves me choosing between Gigabit NIC and RAID card utilization......if the boards came with 2 slots for expansion card integration (or Gig LAN onboard + 1 PCI slot), I would be all over them.


I was looking at something else and came across the Supermicro X7SLA-H. Looking around the internet they seems to be running $120-$150.

It seems to be exactly what you would want. It has dual Gb connections and build in raid for the 4 sata ports.

If that wasn't enough. You could put a 24 port raid card in the PCIe x8 slot, or a 16 port one in the PCIe x4 slot.


6411) Message boards : Number crunching : kill a watt (Message 919098)
Posted 18 Jul 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Im gonna leave a comment for ya. Get a battery backup for your computer and it will tell you real time power consumption.

Just an example to throw out there from my main system im sure people wonder on this one since its not a popular setup yet.

Dual E5520's 4x seagate hdd... 2 sticks ecc ram. 9800GTX+

Fully loaded all 16 cores and gpu i hit right around 420watts.

Note this is also with a normal powersupply. Not one of the 80 or 85Plus rated ones. Figure with a 85plus psu around 395watt.


Power supply efficiency is a very good point.
I shopped around when building my last system to try and find the most efficient power supply that would work for me. Also that I was willing to pay for. I ended up with an Enermax PRO82+ (525W) unit that is 80Plus Bronze certified. Based on my power measurements I'm pulling 20-30% of that power from the wall. So I'm on the lower edge of the efficiency rating scale.

I was just measuring some other things and found my computer speakers use 35w when powered on and nothing is coming out of them. :/
6412) Message boards : Number crunching : When Boredom leads to Registry Editing.......... (Message 919080)
Posted 18 Jul 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I'm still trying to figure out how to get my Apple IIe to run BOINC.


If they were not at bandwidth/server limits now. I'd like to see a BOINC app for my phone. :D
6413) Message boards : Number crunching : Completed-too late to validate: because Uploadserver not running (Message 918511)
Posted 16 Jul 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I would like to suggest that the BOINC server implement a policy somehow that deadlines are not enforced until 24 hours after an outage or slowdown in either the upload server, or the scheduler server.

This would both save CPU time, and allow users to breathe easier.


I have to say that the client processing tasks by due date, as many people have suggested, makes more sense to me. I figured out how to force BOINC into the panic mode to make them process them by date, but I don't have a need to do that.

Would only make sense to those that only crunch one project, or projects with similar processing times and deadlines.
Anybody with CPND on their list will have to disagree with you.

When does a single cpu system start a 1000hr+ task when doing several projects? And what happens to the tasks already downloaded for the other projects?


It would need to be a project specific setting perhaps. Project A is working by FIFO and Project B is working by first due date or something.


I haven't seen any tasks assigned to me that have had less then a week to be returned. Most of them due in Aug sometime. With a 5 day cache on the machine I am using right now. I hope I finish the tasks by Aug 10th. lol

It would seem logical when assigning tasks to a user that they don't make Tuesday a due date. As this is the scheduled maintenance day.

Surely you mean Wednesday as a due date. The maintenance period is either early Wednesday morning or Tues evening for most of the world.


If the onsite connection gets resolved so they can start using their full GB connection the upload server might just start getting swamped. So some sort of solution should be considered when connections are limited for users. Perhaps there could be a small packet for the client to say "I have results to send". Then the due date could be adjusted if their are connection issues.

The easiest way to stop the late reporting issues is to turn the Validator off for 24 hours, as has been done in the past.


I only stated Tuesday as is the posted scheduled time when maintenance occurs for the servers. As Berkeley is in the PDT timezone. Whichever day it may be for you. I would think having them due on that day would not be the best idea.
6414) Message boards : Technical News : Working as Expected (Jul 13 2009) (Message 918474)
Posted 16 Jul 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
One thought I have had.....

BUT it would require a change to the Boinc client software.

I'll throw it in the ring anyway

It seems a lot of the problem is the continual hammering of the upload server with attempt to upload by each result individually.

Why not get Boinc to apply the backoff to ALL results attempting to upload to that SAME server that caused the initial backoff.

This would mean having a backoff clock for each upload server, instead of for each result.

This would mean just one or two (whatever your # of simultaneous tranfers setting) results would make the attempt, then the rest of the results waiting (up to 1000's in some cases) would be backed off as well and give the servers a breather.

Not being a programmer, I'm not sure how difficult this would be to implement (proverbially it doesn't seem like it would be to me), and the benefits of reduced bandwidth wasting should be substantial.

Please feel free to comment.


We were just talking about that last night in the panic thread here. Seems that something like that might be comming. :D
6415) Message boards : Number crunching : Completed-too late to validate: because Uploadserver not running (Message 918472)
Posted 16 Jul 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I would like to suggest that the BOINC server implement a policy somehow that deadlines are not enforced until 24 hours after an outage or slowdown in either the upload server, or the scheduler server.

This would both save CPU time, and allow users to breathe easier.


I have to say that the client processing tasks by due date, as many people have suggested, makes more sense to me. I figured out how to force BOINC into the panic mode to make them process them by date, but I don't have a need to do that.

I haven't seen any tasks assigned to me that have had less then a week to be returned. Most of them due in Aug sometime. With a 5 day cache on the machine I am using right now. I hope I finish the tasks by Aug 10th. lol

It would seem logical when assigning tasks to a user that they don't make tuesday a due date. As this is the scheduled maintenance day.

If the onsite connection gets resolved so they can start using their full GB connection the upload server might just start getting swamped. So some sort of solution should be considered when connections are limited for users. Perhaps ther could be a small packet for the client to say "I have results to send". Then the due date could be adjusted if their are conection issues.

6416) Message boards : Number crunching : kill a watt (Message 918366)
Posted 16 Jul 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
It is good to know the low end resolution of the kill a watt devices is not that good. For people building ultra low power machines, such as those with Atom or Via processors, that meter may not work well for them.

Oh, I do so wish.

My Atom server is sixteen watts. Sure, a 1 watt resolution may mean that it is off by six percent, but until I can find a "Z" family Atom (and get under 8 watts) I can live with six percent.


The more advanced kill a watt unit, the P4460, states it is between .5-2% accurate in it's manual. The P4400 doesn't seem to list this information in it's 1 page manual.

I am a bit curious about the current meter function. Does it display the current in mA or just amps to a few decimal places?
6417) Message boards : Number crunching : Best OS per platform for processing? (Message 918365)
Posted 16 Jul 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hey Everyone,

I have it running on both Vista x64 and Ubuntu 9.04 x64.

No kidding, I get almost a full 25% higher benchmarks day in and day out in Ubuntu.

Basically, my AMD 940 BE either:

a.)think of it as really 4 cores when in Vista at 3.6 Ghz getting me 2900/8900 give or take versus
b.)think of Ubuntu as 5 plus cores same chip and speed...getting 3500/11500 ...nothing is different

Now if you could get the Linux Client to work when you want it to, I'd think it was perfect (ie. mines constantly on, can't really turn it off - I'm forced to change cores/percentages versus time of execution).

If you look at my computers (See my account, click my computers, click details - scores are there), both should show - and the scores should be there...see for yourself.

Did I say this is repeatable day in and out? It is. So, depending on my other computing needs decides what OS I use. I leave Ubuntu rocking overnight though at 3.6 (most stable)....

SETI@ home Enhanced and Enigma is what I run....

Still waiting on an Astropulse that works with my AMD's. Both Phenoms I and II did not like 5.03. Period. I gave it a try way later and it still didn't work. I will not waste more time on those.

Would love to work on Astopulses...however - I am in the top 100 crunchers a lot of nights on Enigma because I'm only dedicating 2 of the 4 cores to Seti. I'd gladly switch to all 4 to SETI if Astrolpulse worked for me.

Another interesting thing is to see how the benchies change depending on how many cores you're dedicating. I've found that when I use 2-3 cores of the 4 at 100% - I yield higher results than if you use 1 or 4 of 4 cores. (If 1 = 100% if 4=95%). I can understand the 4 cores - but the 1 boggles my mind. Either way, that's what I've noticed. And no - I don't chart it...sorry. This holds true for both Vista AND Ubuntu...have not seen differences between the two OS's there (and I did look since I noticed it in Vista).

Hope you all find this helpful!



That is great info!
6418) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (20) Server problems (Message 918335)
Posted 16 Jul 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I am happy now. My main machine just reported about 400 or so WU's.....only about another 400 or so to go by the look of things, then I can start downloading new work again.

I am on the road to recovery.....well, this system anyways.


I've not bothered to count all the wu's I have for uploading, but my total is down to about 230mb of space seti@home is using across my machines. I don't want to think about what all my machines at work have stored on them lol.
6419) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (20) Server problems (Message 918307)
Posted 16 Jul 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I made a small change that tripled our upload bandwidth. The change is to quickly drop excess connections rather than let them wait in the TCP queue.

We were doing this last week, but apparently Matt turned it off. IDK why. Matt is on vaca now.


Cool beans! I nearly had a heart attack when I saw things uploading again. lol

and who let Matt have a vacation? :)
6420) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (20) Server problems (Message 918285)
Posted 15 Jul 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Everyones else machines are trying to contact the Servers and that is what Boinc was designed to do. If you let it do it in its own way things should be fine.

Ok
I will let my computer to manage itself.
But isn't it a problem if it contact server all the time for upload?
Not for me, it's just generate lots of error message pages. but for SETI server?

Regards.



Perhaps they could make a changed to the client app. When it gets one of the "Internet access OK - project servers may be temporarily down." then it could back off all the uploads instead of just the single one. Seems like that would DDOS the servers a bit less.


Actually those changes are being discussed at the Developer Level. Cuda being the animal it is and the outage here has proven that changes need to happen.



That's good to know. If there is a beta app with any of these new "improvements" out soon I could toss it on a box or two in my test lab at work if more guinea pigs are needed.
6421) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (20) Server problems (Message 918280)
Posted 15 Jul 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Everyones else machines are trying to contact the Servers and that is what Boinc was designed to do. If you let it do it in its own way things should be fine.

Ok
I will let my computer to manage itself.
But isn't it a problem if it contact server all the time for upload?
Not for me, it's just generate lots of error message pages. but for SETI server?

Regards.



Perhaps they could make a changed to the client app. When it gets one of the "Internet access OK - project servers may be temporarily down." then it could back off all the uploads instead of just the single one. Seems like that would DDOS the servers a bit less.
6422) Message boards : Number crunching : kill a watt (Message 918274)
Posted 15 Jul 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have two Kill-a-Watt meters, both of the current US models.

With the poster before me, I initially thought to get the cheaper one, because "I can do the math".

I missed the fact that the more expensive one has a reset button. If you want to measure a specific time period of a time varying load, without unplugging, then you want this, badly. If in your application, measuring a sub-interval is not interesting, then skipping the more expensive one is just the math question. I actually find the user interface on the fancier one slightly more awkward (a bit more need to hunt around in submenus).

Yes, some have broken. Big surprise that the maker of a consumer inexpensive product does not leap forward on customer service.

To the electrical engineer who "knows" that the a multi-hundred dollar meter will be more accurate--humm... they skipped that point in my EE classes at MIT. We though it was good to rely on measurements and evidence. The one or two people I've spotted commenting on actual comparisons of Kill-A-Watt measurements with other systems were pleasantly surprised at how accurate it was.

It does, however, lack resolution at very low power levels. Resolving vampire questions on individual units may not be very satisfactory. Mine can't see the draw of the wall wart for my Samsung A137 when it is not in active charge phase. It pulls about 4 watts (or seven, memory is fuzzy) when actively charging, but the display drops to zero when charging is done, and even a 24-hour integration does not seem to indicate that it is carrying a higher internal resolution.

But for the main readers here, mostly interested in PC systems, I think the product is highly suitable. You can look quantitatively at such questions as the real power cost of changing fan speeds, varying overvolt and overclock strategies, powered-up CD drives vs. passive, and such.


Yes my comment about a $20 meter not being as precise could have been phrased better. I should have stated something along the lines of "A more accurate meter will be more expensive. As higher precision parts cost more money" but I didn't. :(

It is good to know the low end resolution of the kill a watt devices is not that good. For people building ultra low power machines, such as those with Atom or Via processors, that meter may not work well for them.
6423) Message boards : Number crunching : SETI energy usage (Message 918266)
Posted 15 Jul 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

If I was garunteed exclusive server useage, better support and an overall better experience as a user, I would be more than happy to donate money to the project and even pay a monthly subscription to be a part of it.

But untill the time comes when my semi-MONSTER cruncher stops being punished for being efficient and I stop being p1$$ed off all the time by all of the happy Pentium3 users that more or less are rewarded for being SLOW on the network - I will not donate a dime other than my computing resources.

Punishing the quickest makes the most sense - OBVIOUSLY, since after the Top 10% of users jump ship over to another project, Seti@Home will be stuck in the stone age with a stable of inneficient and OLD PCs that are not quick enough to get the job done in a timely fasion......meaning MORE money wasted by staff, because jobs take LONGER to accomplish than if people just pulled their heads out of the butts and realized that WE, the Top 10% are doing 90% of the work - so make it easier for us......NOT CHASE US AWAY.

Allan.


Allan---I'm sorry but have you read any of what we've posted lately??? There's *3 people* running the whole project and they're strapped bigtime financially.

If you want "exclusive server useage, better support and an overall better experience as a user", they need to have the money upfront in order to setup to do that. They can't guarantee that kind of a situation until they have the resources to do so.

How about contributing to a solution and not punishing the staff who are working as hard as possible on an extremely difficult situation?


The beatings will continue until morale improves! :D
6424) Message boards : Number crunching : Computers disappearing from list (Message 918265)
Posted 15 Jul 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I've noticed that my two main workhorse computers have disappeared from my "computers on this account" list. Any idea why that happens?


When I started up BOINC again I didn't see any of the machines I had used before or their credit. I figured they had been removed form the db after a while, but with an active machine disappearing I would guess some kind of db error if nothing changed on your end. If there are any "I haven't change anything except...<insiert thing that shouldn't matter>" then you could list that.
6425) Message boards : Number crunching : SETI energy usage (Message 918130)
Posted 15 Jul 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I just want to clearly state that Overlord Xenu does not speak on behalf of all Canadians, or represent typical Canadian viewpoints and manners.


Wait....There are Canadians here? Who let them in? :D

And, more seriously, thanks to OzzFan and others for keeping us on the straight and narrow.


I can't support that message.

I say thanks to everyone involved for helping in any way they can.

On another note related more to the subject of this post. I wonder how much power Arecibo uses to detect all these signals.
6426) Message boards : Number crunching : kill a watt (Message 918126)
Posted 15 Jul 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hi, for general use, seeing how much/little your rig consumes, they are fine.
And fairly accurate, anyway, better then a 'clamp'.(Can this be used with DC?)

To measure DC CURRENT, f.i. how much draws your CUDA card at (+)12V, is much more complicated. And you have to actually measure between PSU and CUDA CARD.
The (little) voltage drop, used to measure, can easily mess up a lot and even damage the card and/or PSU.

You could use a milliVoltmeter and put a 0.01 Ohm resistor (10Watt), between PSU and card and measure the voltage over the resistor.
1 Volt= (R)0.01 x 100(!)Amp, due to voltage drop (and heat), can't use resistors > 0.1 Ohm.
But if yoou're NOT familiar with this kind of measurements, donnot try it, might blowup PSU; CUDA card even the MoBo!


For a clamp meter to work with DC it has to be designed for DC as well as AC. Often they are only for AC measurements.

A clamp meter would be best for measuring your video card power draw. As a lot of them have several 12v lines going into them. My ATI 4850 uses 2 6-Pin PCIe connectors.
6427) Message boards : Number crunching : kill a watt (Message 918122)
Posted 15 Jul 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hi,

Next you will need to locate the "hot" wire. It should be black.


Please note, this is US colour coding, in Europe the live wire is brown.


TTFN - Pete.


Thanks for pointing that out! I did forget to mention that I was using US specs.

Everyone please insert your local country color or colour wiring specs in place of what I listed. If not you might be going after the wrong wire!
6428) Message boards : Technical News : Working as Expected (Jul 13 2009) (Message 918109)
Posted 15 Jul 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Poor You!

I have 165 Work Units that are waiting to be uploaded and have almost run out of units to crunch.

I am beginning to wonder if Boinc is "really" looking for "Aliens"? All this talk about slowing things down is starting to irritate me.

How about getting the Boinc end of the data receiving right???!

Not a week goes by when there is no breakdown in one or another of the equipment on the Boinc end and I have Work Units stacking up waiting to be up-loaded.

My question is: Do you want us to crunch the data, OR, don't you want us to crunch the data?

Joe


By enhancing the resolution they will be able to detect smaller signals then currently can be done.

Their situation is like posting a message that you need help moving and then having 50,000 people show up at your door. The saying "Be careful what you ask for because you might just get it." fits really well here I think.
6429) Message boards : Number crunching : kill a watt (Message 917948)
Posted 15 Jul 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Any new perspectives of, or alternatives to this device for measuring energy use? I want to begin turning off some of my machines and would like an explicit, objective basis on which to do so- like energy use per cobblestone or whatever.

I've looked at Amazon recently and the negative reviews are somewhat believable. Specifically, they indicate that the devices have poor reliability and the customer service is the pits.


Well as an electrical engineer I can tell you a $20 meter is not going to be as accurate as a nicer one. For getting a general idea of how much power you are using the kill o watt meter isn't bad. I was looking into a logging power meter a while back but it is $200-300, depending on the memory options, and I don't have money for a $300 power meter right now.

You do not need a power meter to find how much you are using tho. You can calculate Volt Amps, which you can pretty much use for watts, with a standard volt/amp meter.

If you don't really know what you are doing or feel unsure I would advise anyone to not do this. You might electrocute yourself!
You will want to get an extra power cable for your computer.
With it unplugged, I shouldn't have to mention that part, open the jacket surrounding the cables inside.
Next you will need to locate the "hot" wire. It should be black.
Then you have the choice of using a clamp current meter or cutting the wire to use a standard meter.

If using a clamp meter: clamp it around the hot wire. Connect the cable and start measuring.
If using a standard meter: Cut the hot wire and strip the insulation fomr the now two ends of the wire. Connect your meter to the two wires and set your meter to measure current. Note: come meters require you move the meter wires when measuring current. You will be measuring 1 or 2+ amps. So consider that.

If you have 2 meters, the best case, You can read the current draw form your computer and read your line voltage at the same time. Then simple multiply them together to get volt amps.
If you only have 1 meter it is not a big issue. The line voltage doesn't vary that much, most of the time. So once you know it it is safe to use that number.

Like the kill o watt meter. The accuracy will be based on how accurate your meter is. You can normally get a nice meter that is accurate for around $100. Just look for one that says True RMS.
6430) Message boards : Number crunching : SETI energy usage (Message 917937)
Posted 15 Jul 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
<snip>
Here's another a naive thought: Another savings could be if SETI detects it has more computation power than it needs (I don't know if this is ever the case) perhaps it can be configured to allow those systems to go idle so that the ones that are left on are run at 100% capacity. Or maybe it biases towards the newer, more efficient systems since the technology is constantly providing more MFLOPS/Watt, or simply refuses to run on systems that have especially poor MFLOPS/watt (get those gas guzzlers off the road!). Because as mentioned, it's not watts we're concerned about but possibly MFLOPs/watt.

Anyway... just a few thoughts.

Cheers,

Steven


I noticed my notebook would throttle up and down while processing seti wu's. Since then I'm made sure to change the settings to disable speed step on it.

As I found my notebook to have almost the same processing/per watt as my E8400 Core2Duo. Yes it's 5 times slower but used 5 times less power.

It would be great to see some power and benchmark numbers from some of those really low powered systems like the Atom or Via cpu machines. It could be they have a higher performance/watt then the latest i7 or amd cpus.

Think it would be great if we could come up with a standard way of evaluating a systems seti performance and for those that can measure the power used. Then an estimated processing/watt list could be made. With that those that are looking to make dedicated crunching farms would have access to data for the best per watt crunching platforms.
6431) Message boards : Number crunching : SETI energy usage (Message 917929)
Posted 15 Jul 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
If I was garunteed exclusive server useage, better support and an overall better experience as a user, I would be more than happy to donate money to the project and even pay a monthly subscription to be a part of it.


????

That's a bit like saying to a bank:

"I'm not going to put any money into a savings account until I can withdraw the cash I haven't put in yet, THEN I will save the money I have already withdrawn"

GOOD LUCK


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6432) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (20) Server problems (Message 917927)
Posted 15 Jul 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Get them more coffee!! Can't hurt, might help.


hey..... when did they get the money for coffee? :D
6433) Message boards : Number crunching : Processing of WUs... (Message 917925)
Posted 15 Jul 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
question, why can't someone take work unit "a" from machine "a" and put into into machine "b" and have machine "b" crunch that work unit and report it...

answer, because it's assigned to a machine...

question, why is it assigned to a machine and not an end user....


It can be done, but you have to grab the whole folder. I install BOINC in a way so it is E:\BOINC and E:\BOINC\DATA When I had some SP goto some REALLY show machines I just grabbed that folder from the slower machine. renamed the folder on the faster ones to E:\BOINC.<machinename>\ then ran the manager and processed the wu on the faster one with network comms off. Then dropped the folder back on the slow machine and let it upload it.

But I know what you are saying. In the old days it was easy to have 1 machine download wu's and just transfer the wu to another machine that didn't have internet access.
6434) Message boards : Number crunching : SETI energy usage (Message 917726)
Posted 15 Jul 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
it's not fair to say that boinc uses spare cpu cycles that would be wasted. on a modern or even quasi modern computer, those supposed wasted cycles would have never existed.

Just so we're clear.

The dual-core AMD machine at my real estate agent's office never has a single wasted clock cycle? It takes 100% of the clocks on both CPUs to do E-Mail and light word processing?

Really??

In the original specifications, SETI@Home classic was designed to harness a waste product. BOINC talks about harnessing waste processor cycles, and the people running around installing BOINC on every idle machine they can find are harnessing a waste product.

If you want to make a waste product just for SETI, you have my respect. You are certainly welcome to do so, and I admire your dedication.

What I don't like is being told that I'm somehow being critical of you because you're building machines just for SETI.

Go for it. But show some respect for those who do not choose to follow in your path. Respect is a two way street.

SETI is for anyone who wants to crunch -- an hour a day on an old P3 or 24/7 on a great big stack of quad i7's.


i dont know the specifics of you're dual core amd machine but it seems to me that most computers these days down clock the cpu/fsb etc when they are not being taxed 100%. maybe yours doesn't, i don't know. i quit using amd after socket a. most computers these days will down clock the components to save power. running boinc for the most part stops this down clock process. i personally dont care if you have a dual core setup for email and light word processing. seems like a waste of a good setup to me when a athlon or pentium 3 would do that just as well and with probably 1/4 the power draw. (with or without boinc). if you dont want to run it 24/7 thats fine with me. i am indifferent.

personally i dont really care what other people use for their computers or how they use them. i have no problem with any of you guys who want to run boinc only part time. that's you're decision. but i really dislike it when people who shun us dedicated crunchers as if we are hurting seti. what is that called, killing with kindness?

some of you guys need to drop the smug sense of superiority and realize we are all in this for a common goal. how we get there doesn't matter.


Generally I disable the speed stepping options on my computers. Sure they use more power at idle, but I've found it annoying when in the middle of doing something the system has clocked itself down. Then sometimes there would be a delay while it thought about speeding back up.

I have 6 computers on 24/7 in my home, and 4 are running seti atm. I figure I pay my electric bill. So it gives me the right to do as I please with them. :) I applaude anyone that takes the time and spends the money to run seti on their boxen 1 hr a day or 24/7.
6435) Message boards : Number crunching : 2 PetaFLOPS (Message 917709)
Posted 15 Jul 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
This is very impressive.......and sad all at the same time.

One would think that with THAT level of computing power, that we would actually be accomplishing something to help/to better man-kind.....


or we can look for aliens!
6436) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (20) Server problems (Message 917708)
Posted 15 Jul 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have noticed that BOINC often "forgets" to upload results and I have to do a manual Update to get them to send in. I'll see logs of "finished wu, uploading wu, dowloading wu" and such with no errors. Just will have 6-10 results "Ready for upload" in my tasks. I have read around to see if this is a "normal" thnk to occur, but it happens on all of my hosts.


Uploading and reporting are two different things, you may be referring to that? A wu that has been processed should be uploaded fairly fast (asuming i-net connection to Berkeley/SETI is good).. reporting is done in larger chunks usualy. This is done because the reporting part takes resources and is more efficient done in 'bursts'. An manual reporting action partially circumvents this..

Hope to have (partly?) answerd your question

Eesger


It's actually "Ready to report" I miss typed the message.

I will see say 4 tasks "Ready to report" and will be processing 2. When one of the processing tasks finishes it reports and uploads and the other 4 are still "Ready to report". Manually selecting Update sends them in. Just seems odd to me. Once the upload server is back on I can do some screen shots if that would be more helpful.


Yes, this is perfectly normal. The uploads happen in two stages: when the crunching is finished, it is reported immediately to the project server, but the result is kept on the user's hard drive so that the uploads can be batched together, easing the server's resources (as opposed to some fast machines that finish workunits within 30 minutes, pounding the servers ever half hour with uploads and reports).

Once there has been a backlog of results, typically on the next server request for more work, the backlog gets uploaded as well.

Hitting the Update button forces the server communication and can make things worse for bandwidth-starved, server-overloaded projects like SETI.

I guarantee that if you leave those tasks alone, they will be reported within 24 hours of completion on average.

**Not saying any of this to be mean or to scold anyone, just trying to be helpful.**


Ah okies. I'll have to watch then.

Normally:
I would come into work in the morning.
See all the machines with loads of "Ready to report" tasks.
Scratch my head.
Shrug.
Click upload.

Thought that perhaps there was some sort of minor bug. I'll just let them be and see once the servers are back to what they like to call "Normal" :)
6437) Message boards : Technical News : Working as Expected (Jul 13 2009) (Message 917704)
Posted 15 Jul 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Reading Matts Tech News the other day and the Cricket Graphs when the Feeder was putting out Just MultiBeam... You could see that Uploads (Uploads and Scheduler Requests) were getting through and eating about 17.5% of the bandwidth. Downloads due to the feeder settings were keeping up and eating ~63%
In that cirucumstance the balance was very visible.

Now as Uploads have been turned Off, I presume that Matt is tunning the "Feeder" to see what settings might be better. In order to accurately set this Uploads would interfere with the calibrations

Regards


That makes good sense. Let's hope they get it all tuned before there are so many work units out trying to be returned that it just clogs the uploads for days.
6438) Message boards : Number crunching : Best OS per platform for processing? (Message 917700)
Posted 15 Jul 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
What am I suppose to do with my external 8" floppy drive? :(

Need any floppies??


Well... to be honest I took the motors out of it a long time ago.
6439) Message boards : Number crunching : SETI energy usage (Message 917699)
Posted 15 Jul 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I would love to get one of the Atom based rigs up and running as a server here at home, unfortunately, given only a single PCI slot always leaves me choosing between Gigabit NIC and RAID card utilization......if the boards came with 2 slots for expansion card integration (or Gig LAN onboard + 1 PCI slot), I would be all over them.


They still make board with built in lan that are not Gb? You might want to look at something like the Asus AT3GC-I it has the dual core Atom 330. There is just 1 dimm slot, but I'm not sure that the Atom knows what to do with dual channel anyway.
6440) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (20) Server problems (Message 917656)
Posted 14 Jul 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have noticed that BOINC often "forgets" to upload results and I have to do a manual Update to get them to send in. I'll see logs of "finished wu, uploading wu, dowloading wu" and such with no errors. Just will have 6-10 results "Ready for upload" in my tasks. I have read around to see if this is a "normal" thnk to occur, but it happens on all of my hosts.


Uploading and reporting are two different things, you may be referring to that? A wu that has been processed should be uploaded fairly fast (asuming i-net connection to Berkeley/SETI is good).. reporting is done in larger chunks usualy. This is done because the reporting part takes resources and is more efficient done in 'bursts'. An manual reporting action partially circumvents this..

Hope to have (partly?) answerd your question

Eesger


It's actually "Ready to report" I miss typed the message.

I will see say 4 tasks "Ready to report" and will be processing 2. When one of the processing tasks finishes it reports and uploads and the other 4 are still "Ready to report". Manually selecting Update sends them in. Just seems odd to me. Once the upload server is back on I can do some screen shots if that would be more helpful.

and
"I have read around to see if this is a "normal" thnk to occur, but it happens on all of my hosts."
should have read
"I have not read around to see if this is a "normal" thing to occur, but it happens on all of my hosts."
Problems with posting at the wee hours of the morning lol.
6441) Message boards : Number crunching : Best OS per platform for processing? (Message 917648)
Posted 14 Jul 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I don't understand why Windows 7 is so great.....and everyone is in such a hurry to jump-ship from Vista in favour of it.

I love Vista x64.


"Hope springs eternal."

More power to them, I say. Somebody has to be the guinea pigs for bugs and security patches ad-nauseum. I paid my dues with XP and I am staying with it, for now.

Besides, what would I do with my 5 1/4 inch drives and all those floppies??? LOL!

Martin


What am I suppose to do with my external 8" floppy drive? :(
6442) Message boards : Number crunching : Best OS per platform for processing? (Message 917646)
Posted 14 Jul 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I don't understand why Windows 7 is so great.....and everyone is in such a hurry to jump-ship from Vista in favour of it.

I love Vista x64.


for me it is actually just getting it so we can start testing our drivers at work and get things certified. Personally I don't care for Vista or Win7. I only use Vista at home for the DX 10.1 support.
6443) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (20) Server problems (Message 917549)
Posted 14 Jul 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
So...how does taking the Upload server offline the day before a known outage (tuesday maintenance) help network congestion again ?


I'm guessing it would give the db's more free time to catch up. So that the servers are not down for 24 hours?
6444) Message boards : Number crunching : SETI energy usage (Message 917547)
Posted 14 Jul 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
My old 500MHz P3 uses 39W idle, 42W crunching. Not much difference there.


Back in the way back times I was using 40 or so celeron 400mhz machines. Even running 2 motherboards off of 1 power supply with special Y cables I had made. I don't recall if I ever measured the power fomr them but they were all running off of a 15A breaker. Good ole P3's were good on power. :)

I mentioned the Intel Atom processor on another thread -- some very efficient motherboards around that chip (as low as 8w, but those are expensive).

... and I'm really curious about the Nvidia ION based boards that are CUDA capable. I'm sure they aren't nearly as fast as some of the exotic stuff people talk about all the time, but they're under 40w.

I have a little server sitting here. It isn't crunching SETI, it's doing mail and file transfers and DNS and drawing about sixteen watts total.


Just before I decided to upgraded to a Core 2 Quad and put my current Core 2 Duo in a cheap mono to use for a HTPC. I was looking at Socket P mini-ITX boards. Much like my current MoTD server I run. They are boards designed to use the mobile CPUs. So I do have a path to upgrade that box later on if it ever really needs it.
6445) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (20) Server problems (Message 917540)
Posted 14 Jul 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Aaaand i remember one more thing that i noticed.

For about three-four months ago i started to get alot of messages indicating that i couldn't connect to the scheduler but down/uploading work was fine.

It seems like that my gpumachine couldn't keep the link to berkeley up long enough so that berkeley would receive the schedxxx.xml files, if i made a proxy server on my DSL line here at home instead of using my works fibre ISP connection and set my gpumachine to talk to my proxy at home on DSL it could connect to berkeley and properly reach the scheduler..

Why?! I don't really know actually! All i know that this started to happen about three to four months ago so nowadays i need to manually switch between my proxy at home and off so it can connect properly to s@h because the larger the schedxxxx.xml files is the harder it is to send it to berkeley and this would fail if growing beyond reporting 500 Wu's+.

So the last four to five months now has been a constant supervising of the gpumachine because it simply can't manage itself, it would get borked in one way or another.

Kind regards Vyper


I have noticed that BOINC often "forgets" to upload results and I have to do a manual Update to get them to send in. I'll see logs of "finished wu, uploading wu, dowloading wu" and such with no errors. Just will have 6-10 results "Ready for upload" in my tasks. I have read around to see if this is a "normal" thnk to occur, but it happens on all of my hosts.
6446) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (20) Server problems (Message 917537)
Posted 14 Jul 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Here a picture of what's going on right now as I'm not able to upload or report right now, As I'm getting nothing but HTML Errors.

7/13/2009 10:11:15 PM SETI@home Started upload of 24no08ac.23426.13160.15.8.195_1_0
7/13/2009 10:11:15 PM SETI@home Temporarily failed upload of 28au08ag.21792.19295.3.8.174_1_0: HTTP error
7/13/2009 10:11:15 PM SETI@home Backing off 20 min 14 sec on upload of 28au08ag.21792.19295.3.8.174_1_0
7/13/2009 10:11:16 PM Internet access OK - project servers may be temporarily down.
7/13/2009 10:11:16 PM SETI@home Started upload of 17se08aa.20680.2526.11.8.163_1_0
7/13/2009 10:11:18 PM Project communication failed: attempting access to reference site
7/13/2009 10:11:18 PM SETI@home Temporarily failed upload of 24no08ac.23426.13160.15.8.195_1_0: HTTP error
7/13/2009 10:11:18 PM SETI@home Backing off 1 hr 32 min 55 sec on upload of 24no08ac.23426.13160.15.8.195_1_0
7/13/2009 10:11:19 PM Internet access OK - project servers may be temporarily down.
7/13/2009 10:11:19 PM SETI@home Temporarily failed upload of 17se08aa.20680.2526.11.8.163_1_0: HTTP error
7/13/2009 10:11:19 PM SETI@home Backing off 2 hr 42 min 20 sec on upload of 17se08aa.20680.2526.11.8.163_1_0


So they disabled the upload server, Seems like It might be counterproductive to Me as the bandwidth was at about 60 to 70 and now It's between 75 and 90 instead, I've set My end to NNT, Not that It will do any good, As I can't stop Boinc from trying to do the impossible short of detaching from S@H as I don't feel like suspending S@H just to stop Boinc from trying to upload and report.

Thank You

SJ, Please do set No New Tasks. It will leave room for others.

Matt and Others come and go all hours of the day. Many things happen unnoticed. Apparently you are trying to create panic during what may be troubleshooting is not obvious to anyone...
The hard part is rather than asking a question/notifying, your response was designed to create panic.

Regards



I head it just as the description says "Disabled: Program has been disabled by staff (for debugging/maintenance)" Figured it was something for the overall good of things. If it said "Not Running: Program failed or ran out of work (or the project is down)" Then I would be a little worried, but not really.

Expecting the servers to be down tuesday. Maybe they are just getting a jump on things this week?

I think it is just the "not knowing" that is hard to deal with sometimes.
6447) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (20) Server problems (Message 917531)
Posted 14 Jul 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Here a picture of what's going on right now as I'm not able to upload or report right now, As I'm getting nothing but HTML Errors.

7/13/2009 10:11:15 PM SETI@home Started upload of 24no08ac.23426.13160.15.8.195_1_0
7/13/2009 10:11:15 PM SETI@home Temporarily failed upload of 28au08ag.21792.19295.3.8.174_1_0: HTTP error
7/13/2009 10:11:15 PM SETI@home Backing off 20 min 14 sec on upload of 28au08ag.21792.19295.3.8.174_1_0
7/13/2009 10:11:16 PM Internet access OK - project servers may be temporarily down.
7/13/2009 10:11:16 PM SETI@home Started upload of 17se08aa.20680.2526.11.8.163_1_0
7/13/2009 10:11:18 PM Project communication failed: attempting access to reference site
7/13/2009 10:11:18 PM SETI@home Temporarily failed upload of 24no08ac.23426.13160.15.8.195_1_0: HTTP error
7/13/2009 10:11:18 PM SETI@home Backing off 1 hr 32 min 55 sec on upload of 24no08ac.23426.13160.15.8.195_1_0
7/13/2009 10:11:19 PM Internet access OK - project servers may be temporarily down.
7/13/2009 10:11:19 PM SETI@home Temporarily failed upload of 17se08aa.20680.2526.11.8.163_1_0: HTTP error
7/13/2009 10:11:19 PM SETI@home Backing off 2 hr 42 min 20 sec on upload of 17se08aa.20680.2526.11.8.163_1_0


So they disabled the upload server, Seems like It might be counterproductive to Me as the bandwidth was at about 60 to 70 and now It's between 75 and 90 instead, I've set My end to NNT, Not that It will do any good, As I can't stop Boinc from trying to do the impossible short of detaching from S@H as I don't feel like suspending S@H just to stop Boinc from trying to upload and report.


It seems a bit backwards to me to kill the uploads. However, This is also the machine that processes validations. They might just be trying to catch up before going down for maint.
6448) Message boards : Number crunching : Boinc Manager /SETI using too many resources? (Message 917528)
Posted 14 Jul 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I have a new computer (Intel 4-Quad, 4GB RAM) fresh install of Boinc (v6.6.36). After the screen saver comes on, when I return to work, the computer is so slow that it takes 20 - 30 seconds to even change focus to any other another window, and is pretty much unresponsive.
I tried all the options and nothing seems to help. If I choose from Menu\Activity -> Suspend, I can still see under the Task the "Elapsed Time" and "Progress" counting up, which tells me that SETI is still running (although under Status column says "Suspended")
The only way to recover is to completely close Boinc and then restart it again. Until the screen saver comes on next time, it seems to work fine and with no noticeable slow down, which is what I would expect.
Any ideas?


Perhaps set a lower value on % of processors. So you always have 1 core not being used.
6449) Message boards : Technical News : Working as Expected (Jul 13 2009) (Message 917527)
Posted 14 Jul 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Send me the largest WU's you got, Matt! :D


"you have mail! 857,000 AP wu's!" lol

Thanks for the update Matt!
6450) Message boards : Number crunching : Best OS per platform for processing? (Message 917524)
Posted 14 Jul 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Ok I bit the $49.99 bullet and pre-ordered Win 7 upgrade from Amazon with Free Shipping, It was too good a deal to pass up, I would have ordered two, But that's more than I feel comfortable spending right now. :D


I am very (im)patiently waiting for them to release Win7 via TechNet. My new 1.5GTB HDD just arrived yesterday and I'm dying to install it! :)


On pins and needles waiting for it. Word is that Steve Balmer will be announcing at his keynote at the 14th. I also heard a nasty rumor that technet wouldn't be getting it until July 24th.

I'm watching for it....
https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/subscriptions/securedownloads/default.aspx
6451) Message boards : Number crunching : SETI energy usage (Message 917523)
Posted 14 Jul 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
My old 500MHz P3 uses 39W idle, 42W crunching. Not much difference there.


Back in the way back times I was using 40 or so celeron 400mhz machines. Even running 2 motherboards off of 1 power supply with special Y cables I had made. I don't recall if I ever measured the power fomr them but they were all running off of a 15A breaker. Good ole P3's were good on power. :)
6452) Message boards : Number crunching : SETI energy usage (Message 917466)
Posted 13 Jul 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I think the majority are "casual crunchers" harvesting a waste process, and you can't count that against the SETI@Home power bill.

Why not.....BOINC does not use "idle cycles", so the cost difference between an idle cycle and BOINC processing cycle should go to BOINC.

These machines don't have a significant energy cost difference between idle and running BOINC. It might be a few percent at most.

Compare that to the cost of a dedicated SETI cruncher, or the cost of leaving a machine on overnight when it could have been turned off.

If a machine doesn't have a reason to be on, around here it gets turned off. Unused cycles go to BOINC only if the machine would be on for some other reason.


Based on my measurements of my machines. Most of them use on average 60% more power then when idle. I'd like to collect more data across more machines. However, It does seem reasonable that an average machine would use 50% more power under full cpu load.

I bet if you compare the extra power used by processing vs the wasted power of phantom devices in your home I would guess that the phantom devices are sucking up more power.

I just look at the power used for processing is part of the "donation" to the project. I would like it to be as efficient as possible though. To that end I'm cooking up an idea to run my router, switches and cable modem from solar. They are all 12v devices using 10-30watts each. So I'm going to grab some of those 25w solar car charges off of ebay and see how much power I can average from my office windows.
6453) Message boards : Technical News : More of the Same (Jul 09 2009) (Message 917381)
Posted 13 Jul 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Well I'm very happy to report that BOINC (6.6.36, 32-bit Windows) and Lunatics' optimized Seti-at-Home (2 CPUs + 1x GPU) ran flawlessly all weekend (11 & 12 July), and so far today also. No network hiccups at all for me (10 miles from Berzerkely), and only a few times when no work was available (even so my 0.25 day cache never ran dry). Cheers!


Could I pester you for the stuff for the cuda app to put into app_info.xml?
6454) Message boards : Number crunching : SETI energy usage (Message 917301)
Posted 13 Jul 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Cool thread, but the energy price hasn't a fixed price in every country though, in our country it varies from 0,110 about 0,148 dollars per kWH up today..

So the median needs to be increased a bit :)

Kind regards Vyper

P.S All in all you could say that some people like me which has bought hardware to run it dedicated for s@h have at least donated perhaps 10M$ for seti at home :) D.S


Mine is $0.17 per KWh this time of the year. I just take my bill and divide the KWh and cost. That is much easier then looking at generating cost, transmission cost, line maint cost. The cost goes down in the winter as I am 100% electric and something about state laws making them do that.

$0.08 is good for a base line. The new water heater I had put in uses $0.086 as it's basis for the energy star power rating. I think that number is a US national average given out by the DOE.

On a side note. I just ordered a mobo and memory to setup a machine for my Core 2 Duo as mentioned on my last post. Only cost me $183.94! Now it's just a matter of the $300 for the Q9650. :/
6455) Message boards : Number crunching : SETI energy usage (Message 917297)
Posted 13 Jul 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Your post got me to do something I have been meaning to check for a while now.
Grabbed my meter and checked the power usage of most all my home machines.

The values for current and va are: system off/system idle/system w/BOINC

HAL9000II-Current: 0.0/1.0/1.3-Volt Amps: 0/120/156
Intel Core 2 Duo CPU E8400 @ 3.00GHz [x86 Family 6 Model 23 Stepping 6](2 processors)
HAL9000-Current: 0.2/1.0/1.6-Volt Amps: 24/120/192
Intel Pentium 4 CPU 3.00GHz [x86 Family 15 Model 2 Stepping 9](2 processors)
SAL9000-Current: 0.0/0.2/0.3-Volt Amps: 0/24/36
Intel Pentium M processor 1.50GHz [x86 Family 6 Model 13 Stepping 8](1 processors)
AE35-Current: 0.2/0.6/1.0-Volt Amps: 24/72/120
Intel Pentium 4 CPU 2.40GHz [x86 Family 15 Model 2 Stepping 7](1 processors)

AE35 uses 2 2.5" notebook drives to run. So the numbers would be higher if I was using standard 3.5" drives.

HAL9000 is loaded up with 3 HD's and 2 DVD drives. I'll be converting it to 4 2.5" SATA drives and no DVD drives soon.

HAL9000II has 3 HD's likes HAL9000, but they are the 1TB green western digital ones. While my meter was hooked up I did some 3D gaming tests. With the ATI 4870 in there the peak current draw was only 1.4A. I did that test w/ and w/o BOINC running. This system just doesn't seem to use more then 168va.

Using BoincView her are the wu/day numbers it is generating atm.
HAL9000II-39.3
HAL9000-18.9
AE35-9.25
SAL9000-8.6

So I took the machines power usage for the day and divided by the wu's a day. To get some sort of computing efficiency for each of them.

This data displays va per day with the resulting wu's per va per day.

HAL9000II-3744/0.0104967948
HAL9000-4608/0.0041015625
AE35-2880/0.0032118055
SAL9000-864/0.0099537037

This seems to show that my old notebook processes wu's nearly as efficient as my new desktop for the given power used. Which I find really interesting.

I just did the math for it, and HAL9000 + AE35 would cost $464 for a year to run them. Together they use exactly twice the power of HAL9000II. So by making an exact twin of HAL9000II I could save $232 a year!

There is also the cost of added home cooling costs that is very hard to track.

I think this might give me a good excuse to upgrade to a Core 2 Quad and get a cheap board to run my Core 2 Duo on. Which could be done for under $200 now I bet.
6456) Message boards : Number crunching : Project has no jobs available (Message 917281)
Posted 13 Jul 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I see that in my logs too. However, There are downloads every now and then as well. I am just letting the machines work it out on their own. With a 2-4 day cache of wu's nothing to really worry about.
6457) Message boards : Technical News : More of the Same (Jul 09 2009) (Message 917278)
Posted 13 Jul 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

So, when oh when are our Macs going to get the Cuda access so that we can start crunching faster? I've got two Intel Macs rarin' to go and so do a lot of the rest of us from the looks of your stats. Since we don't have Snow Leopard yet, there's no way yet to access the GPU for Boinc. Got a time frame in mind?

You could use boot camp and setup a windows partition to run BOINC on. :D
6458) Message boards : Number crunching : I lost 143 Completed WU's today (Message 917275)
Posted 13 Jul 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
How do you take "result 04dc08ad.11093.20225.11.8.178_2" and get work ID "474640354" ?

Another way is to select the "Show names" link in the "Task ID" column header.

Gruß,
Gundolf


That is a much easier way of doing it....
6459) Message boards : Number crunching : Best OS per platform for processing? (Message 917067)
Posted 12 Jul 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The M/Centrino is a good platform.

In regards to it's standings against a P4, it has been shown time and time again that the average M/Centrino compares to a P4 at approx 2x it's clock speed on average (Centrino/M @ 1.5Ghz = P4 @ 3.0Ghz in layman's terms.)


That is something I noticed right after I got the notebook. As I had a 3Ghz P4 for my main machine then. There were a lot of "no way that can't be true" and "wait... that's done already" moments.


Exactly. That is one of the reasons that Overclocking Socket 479 CPU's was so popular for a short time.....people were unable to get a TRUE 4.0Ghz performance on a desktop CPU, but 2+Ghz on a Banias was common ;) (giving the equivilant of about 4.0Ghz or so when compared to a Socket 478 Desktop 'Northwood' P4).


My home server uses a T7200 Core 2 Duo Mobile processor. About 2 years ago the MoDT platform was rather popular but seems to have died off now. It sure would be nice to upgrade that system to a T9900, but I would need a new board as the Abit il-90mv only supports a 667 bus.
6460) Message boards : Number crunching : I lost 143 Completed WU's today (Message 917058)
Posted 12 Jul 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
A newb question....

How do you take "result 04dc08ad.11093.20225.11.8.178_2" and get work ID "474640354" ?

Again, sorry for the stupid question.....lol
I just have NO idea.
Allan


I viewed your computers list.
Selected tasks for the one doing a lot of work.
Selected pending.
Went to the first wu with the right time in it.
Selected Work unit ID.
Copied wu name.
Did a text search aginst the list you provided.
6461) Message boards : Number crunching : I lost 143 Completed WU's today (Message 917053)
Posted 12 Jul 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

It took me all of 3 minutes to find out what happened to those 143 wu's.


I can't even look at tasks/pending etc....the pages/requests keep timing out for me, so you are way ahead of me.


The web pages are popping right up for me right now.

For this one:
7/11/2009 11:56:35 AM SETI@home Message from server: Completed result 04dc08ad.11093.20225.11.8.178_2 refused: result already reported as success

Here is the status:
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/workunit.php?wuid=474640354

I have a machine I fired up thursday at work that has returned nearly 30 results and still has 0 credit as they are all pending.
6462) Message boards : Number crunching : Best OS per platform for processing? (Message 917051)
Posted 12 Jul 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
The M/Centrino is a good platform.

In regards to it's standings against a P4, it has been shown time and time again that the average M/Centrino compares to a P4 at approx 2x it's clock speed on average (Centrino/M @ 1.5Ghz = P4 @ 3.0Ghz in layman's terms.)


That is something I noticed right after I got the notebook. As I had a 3Ghz P4 for my main machine then. There were a lot of "no way that can't be true" and "wait... that's done already" moments.
6463) Message boards : Number crunching : Best OS per platform for processing? (Message 917050)
Posted 12 Jul 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Compaq V4020US
Intel Pentium M processor 1.50GHz [x86 Family 6 Model 13 Stepping 8]


Vista on a single core Centrino/M ?

Gross......although you neglected to mention how much RAM and if you are running 2GB, then anything is possible I guess. ;)


Well the machine is maxed out with ram.... at 1GB....

It is faster then my old 2.4Ghz P4 machine. Tho I'm playing around with OCing because I think it should be faster then the notebook! LOL
Currently it's stable at 17% OC with stock voltage & OEM HSF. Justh ave to see if it can prove it's metal against the notebook now.


Centrino notebooks, if using a Pentium M will be far more powerful than a Pentium 4. My Pentium M 745 (1.8GHz 2MB cache) Centrino notebook can get about a 400 - 500 RAC using optimized apps running 24/7, but I don't run the laptop much anymore.


I always wanted to buy a 2Ghz chip for it, but I could never find one at a decent price. At this point I'm looking to upgrade it to get a notebook with HDMI out to get a better connection to my 61" TV.
6464) Message boards : Number crunching : I lost 143 Completed WU's today (Message 917046)
Posted 12 Jul 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Well, not the end of the world I guess. I figure that 143 WU's is about 5-6hrs of work for my machine at it's current rate.....but as I said, I just found it ODD and quite a coincidence...(the low total increase combined with error msgs that is).


It took me all of 3 minutes to find out what happened to those 143 wu's.
6465) Message boards : Number crunching : I lost 143 Completed WU's today (Message 917039)
Posted 12 Jul 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I am not asking anyone to do the 'leg work' here. What I am wondering, I guess, is that, is this type of situation common ? CAN work actually get LOST ?


It can only be attributable to human error. This sort of thing has cropped up before, and the cause has always been human error.
6466) Message boards : Number crunching : I lost 143 Completed WU's today (Message 917037)
Posted 12 Jul 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Why don't YOU go through the data and find out how many work units were uploaded to Berkeley (in total) and how many of those are granted credit and how many are waiting for the wingman.

You are making an serious allegation here and expecting us to do the legwork. Why don't you do the legwork and prove your allegations?


Could also be that the granted credit for those WU's was not as high as expected. Going over some of mine I've seen some cases where I claimed was 65 and granted was 45.
6467) Message boards : Number crunching : Best OS per platform for processing? (Message 917034)
Posted 12 Jul 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Compaq V4020US
Intel Pentium M processor 1.50GHz [x86 Family 6 Model 13 Stepping 8]


Vista on a single core Centrino/M ?

Gross......although you neglected to mention how much RAM and if you are running 2GB, then anything is possible I guess. ;)


Well the machine is maxed out with ram.... at 1GB....

It is faster then my old 2.4Ghz P4 machine. Tho I'm playing around with OCing because I think it should be faster then the notebook! LOL
Currently it's stable at 17% OC with stock voltage & OEM HSF. Justh ave to see if it can prove it's metal against the notebook now.

6468) Message boards : Number crunching : I lost 143 Completed WU's today (Message 917032)
Posted 12 Jul 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Have you looked at the tasks for that machine on the website? Do any of the wu's show up in the pending, valid, or in process?
6469) Message boards : Number crunching : Best OS per platform for processing? (Message 916999)
Posted 12 Jul 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Ok I bit the $49.99 bullet and pre-ordered Win 7 upgrade from Amazon with Free Shipping, It was too good a deal to pass up, I would have ordered two, But that's more than I feel comfortable spending right now. :D


I love the free shipping. I live near one of their shipping centers. So with the 15 day free ground service I get everything in 1 day anyway.

This weekend I am doing a test with my notebook & so far going from XP SP3 to Vista SP0 seems to have improved the processing times.

I know wu are not all equal at all, but looking at the tasks for that machines. The times have dropped from 23,000-28,000 seconds for processing to 10,000-12,000 seconds for processing.

Compaq V4020US
Intel Pentium M processor 1.50GHz [x86 Family 6 Model 13 Stepping 8]

Not to shabby for a 4 or 5 year old notebook. Something I have found surprising is that even when I'm using it to watch movies or tv shows the processing times stay pretty consistent. I would have thought that 6 hour movie night with an embedded GPU would such up all the processing time.
6470) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (19) Server problems (Message 916983)
Posted 12 Jul 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Couldn't find a thread about "no panic", so I'm posting here.

As of midnight Friday UTC the Cricket graphs have smoothed right out below max, and all my uploads are going through on the first try. Not getting any downloads, probably because I have a few dozen shorty MB WUs running in high priority mode.

So, what did the Boys in Berkley do to bring about this sudden calmness?


This is REALLY weird but the time in the graph when the bandwidth went down is the same time my power went off last night for 4 hours.

I swear I didn't do anything!
6471) Message boards : Number crunching : Best OS per platform for processing? (Message 916667)
Posted 11 Jul 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I was doing some tests with windows PE today. It seems that BOINC will run in it ok. I have some tweaking to do in order to get boinc starting when it boots, but that looks like it may be a really simple solution. I can simply make WinPE x86 and WinPE x64 CDs. Then I can boot up the CD whenever I want a machine to run BOINC. Using the systems secondary storage disc to keep the data files.

If you don't know what WinPE is here is a link explaining it on wiki.


I'm surprised someone hasn't made a BartPE BOINC or Seti plugin for use as a 'thin' cruncher of sorts.


There is.


Should have known there was already one out there. lol

6472) Message boards : Number crunching : Best OS per platform for processing? (Message 916538)
Posted 10 Jul 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I was doing some tests with windows PE today. It seems that BOINC will run in it ok. I have some tweaking to do in order to get boinc starting when it boots, but that looks like it may be a really simple solution. I can simply make WinPE x86 and WinPE x64 CDs. Then I can boot up the CD whenever I want a machine to run BOINC. Using the systems secondary storage disc to keep the data files.

If you don't know what WinPE is here is a link explaining it on wiki.
6473) Message boards : Number crunching : Bad time estimates (Message 916511)
Posted 10 Jul 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
You can select Run CPU Benchmarks fomr the Advanced menu and then restart BOINC. When I've done this I have seen the times for the 6 or so wu's in the queue change. On one of my systems it still displays 2-3 hours for the estimates but the wu's take 45-60 minutes.
6474) Message boards : Technical News : More of the Same (Jul 09 2009) (Message 916508)
Posted 10 Jul 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
OK so the distributed computing part they thought up works. Now to create a distributed server side to keep up with all the clients!

I know that sorta sounds silly and a bit "OMG we can't do that" but I bet people said that when the whole distributed computing thing started.

If I may offer RFC-1925 for your review.

Specifically, corollary (6a):
It is always possible to add another level of indirection.


That's what we're talking about when we add "distributed downloads" -- instead of the splitter loading up the download server (and telling the database) we have the splitter sending stuff to local storage, a new bit pushing the work down the same pipe out to distributed servers, and then work goes from there.

If those are "volunteer servers" (following the P2P model) then BOINC has to deal with another layer of failures: disappearing servers.

CPDN did something like this, and lost an upload server -- I don't remember how it was ultimately solved, but I do remember it was ugly.

At the end of the (proverbial) day, work has to originate with the project, and end up at the project.

All of the truths apply to BOINC (and everything else).



lol, I like RFC-1925

"(3) With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. However, this is not necessarily a good idea. It is hard to be sure where they are going to land, and it could be dangerous sitting under them as they fly overhead."

I have said something simular to this myself.
6475) Message boards : Technical News : On Bandwidth (Jul 08 2009) (Message 916424)
Posted 10 Jul 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
If it is political, that there isn't better comms to the building, maybe we need to shame the 'powers that be' into action.
A few thousand e-mails from the us users might wake them up. Or ask the students to have a demonstration on our behalf.

I think if we want to have a "demonstration" it'd be best to mail in a $5 bill rather than try to "shame" the administration into spending more money on what is clearly an under-funded project flying under the radar.

The minimum donation the Berkeley system supports is 10 U.S. dollars. Mailing in a $5 bill would create a bureaucratic dilemma, that's the worst kind.

That $5 amount has been mentioned several times recently, it is certainly tempting to think in terms of how little each participant would need to contribute to make this a well-funded project. But the world seldom works as we would prefer, I'm just trying to keep the record straight so practicalities aren't forgotten.
                                                                Joe

$5 is a metaphor, I meant "donate."

I should know that when dealing with engineering-types that it is better to specify the amount to three decimal places.


I prefer 6 digit precision myself.
6476) Message boards : Technical News : More of the Same (Jul 09 2009) (Message 916422)
Posted 10 Jul 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:

Here is a crazy thought to consider - replicate the project somewhere else. There are now literally dozens of BOINC projects running out there, all running different things. Is there a partner/supporter out there with BOINC ambitions but not quite the same Noble prize aspirations willing to work with the lab, split some tapes, collect the science and ship the results back to the lab? Ideally in a different part of the world with a gigabit connection. Clearly there will be some NRE required to set it up, but the running costs should be less than 2x. I see lots of tangible benefits with bandwidth, storage, support more users, staggered down times etc.

Matt has said many times that the servers project is pretty "atomic" -- by which he means it'd be pretty hard to put some parts of the project here and other parts there. Most recently, in the "On Bandwidth" thread:

Of course, another option is relocating our whole project down the hill (where gigabit links are readily available), or at least the server closet. Since the backend is quite complicated with many essential and nested dependencies it's all or nothing - we can't just move one server or functionality elsewhere - we'd have to move everything (this has been explained by me and others in countless other threads over the years). If we do end up moving (always a possibility) then all the above issues are moot.


Someone else mentioned a SETI@Home based at Parkes or some other "Son of SERENDIP" site, and one could leverage the work at Berkeley and put up a complete second project -- with permission, I'm sure.


OK so the distributed computing part they thought up works. Now to create a distributed server side to keep up with all the clients!

I know that sorta sounds silly and a bit "OMG we can't do that" but I bet people said that when the whole distributed computing thing started.

Even if the answer to the bandwidth issue is just swapping out a few routers and getting the GB connection up at fill tilt. Like it was stated. Drive space and other resources may start to strain. If a companies such as google or ibm are willing to donate some of their datacenters to the projects. Tweaking or redoing some of the backend to allow for this could prove valuable in the future.
6477) Message boards : Number crunching : Best OS per platform for processing? (Message 916254)
Posted 9 Jul 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Well that gives me something to look forward to on Monday or Tuesday of next week. I just haven't decided if I'm going to stick with Vista on my main machine or do the upgrade. I still have a couple minor reservations about 7, but I may just decide to go with it anyway.


On the one hand. The new neat things, fixes, & improvements.
Then on the other. It's Windows 7.

Generally with Vista & Windows 7 I just turn stuff off, and rip things out until it's basically XP.


Ha! I actually prefer Vista over XP and left everything at the defaults (minus a couple of minor preference changes).

The one thing I don't like in Windows 7 is the fatter task bar. The Vista one seems slimmer and sexier. Someone else told me how to "put it on a diet" and make it thin again, so I'll probably do that immediately if I install Win7.

The bug fixes and improvements are a definite plus, but the majority of them are to encourage XP users to switch while the current Vista users have very little reason to upgrade, other than those of us (like me!) that enjoy playing with the latest OS from MS.

My money is going elsewhere for a while(6 months to a year), Besides I run an abandonware OS known as XP x64.


I'm pretty sure you can upgrade Windows XP Professional x64 to Windows 7 Professional x64.


Windows 7 gives a message "You can't directly upgrade from Windows XP to Windows 7. Go Online to learn how to use Windows Easy Transfer to install Windows 7 and keep your files and settings." Generally MS only allows upgrades from the version directly precedding the release.
6478) Message boards : Number crunching : Best OS per platform for processing? (Message 916167)
Posted 9 Jul 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Ignoring all benchmarks, from any source, that you may have seen for those two dells. The RAC and total credits are about what I would expect for Seti.
Both the MB and the AP apps like L2 cache memory. The Intel has a fair bit, the AMD hasn't got a lot.

Somewhere in Pappa's pile of computers he has or had an AMD X2 6000 its BOINC benchmark figures are similar to my E6600 and my Q6600. When we were testing the AP app on Beta before release here it was noted, during the period when they were trying to find out what the credit rate should be. That my Intels were over twice a fast as his AMD, and on the old claimed credit calculation which is based around time * benchmark and Pappa's computer was claiming lots more credits than my Intels.


Oh I'd forgotten all about seti loving L2 cache.

I was just noticing in some playing around on some systems here. PII Xeon 400/1mb is quoting me 12-14 hrs. Where a PIII 850/512kb system is quoting me around 25hrs for completion.

Checking those two dell systems with cpuz the amd is displying 2x512kb where the intel shows 2048kb. I think it's a shared cache on that version of the intel chip.
6479) Message boards : Number crunching : Best OS per platform for processing? (Message 916041)
Posted 9 Jul 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Well that gives me something to look forward to on Monday or Tuesday of next week. I just haven't decided if I'm going to stick with Vista on my main machine or do the upgrade. I still have a couple minor reservations about 7, but I may just decide to go with it anyway.


On the one hand. The new neat things, fixes, & improvements.
Then on the other. It's Windows 7.

Generally with Vista & Windows 7 I just turn stuff off, and rip things out until it's basically XP.
6480) Message boards : Number crunching : Best OS per platform for processing? (Message 916033)
Posted 9 Jul 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I'm a Microsoft TechNet subscriber ($350 US for new users, $250 renewal) and get 10 licenses for all current OSes as well as most of their library of software, and each license can be activated up to 5? or 10 times without having to call MS.

I just didn't catch the news that it was going to be released (RTM) so soon, which is why I asked.


I always forget about the TechNet subscription. *bonks head* It's 10 activations for MSDN, maybe 5 for TechNet? Either way it's a good deal to get access to many OS's for testing.

I was told the date by our MS Partner guy. He's said the RTM date was the 13th. This is also the date of Worldwide Partner Conference he will be attending.

Might not be able to download the ISO till the 14th maybe. As that is also patch Tuesday. I just hope it shows up ASAP as we need to have all if our testing done by August for all of our products..... in 4 languages.
6481) Message boards : Technical News : On Bandwidth (Jul 08 2009) (Message 916029)
Posted 9 Jul 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
they could leave the upload up.... just disable download...


Hmmmm Yes. That would make sense.

I think that was done when SETI@Home Classic was winding down.
6482) Message boards : Technical News : On Bandwidth (Jul 08 2009) (Message 916021)
Posted 9 Jul 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
No no no I didn't mean that at all. I'm not saying you're wasting electricity. We still haven't fully covered the Arecibo sky yet with multibeam observations, for example.

What I am saying is we don't need to adhere to a 24/7/365 uptime policy because of the fear that we'll lose our participants forever. I have enough professional experience to prove that if you want to win customers (or fans) back after a long hiatus, you simply ask them nicely, and they return. In fact I've proven this time and time again with the reminder e-mails. Others feel we need to keep the workflow happening at all costs or we're ruined. What do you think?

Basically all I meant was that we can afford to take more long hiatuses to take care of long standing sub projects (like final data analysis?!), and perhaps come up with new/improved SETI@home-esque projects - all of which would be far easier to do if we were not as preoccupied with keeping data flow happening 100% of the time.

- Matt



Thanks for both the posts Matt. I've been saying this on & off for 2 years. Whenever you get problems this bad, shut down, at least externally for a month. YOU won't lose any crunchers as the ones who say they'll leave will be back as it's too addictive.

As for the rest, we'll just continue crunching other projects until your return. It worked for other projects, so why not Seti? & it'll also take the pressure off you guys.


If they were to shutdown for a month to work on things. Wouldn't they need to plan that in advance for the wu's that would expire while out in the field?
6483) Message boards : Number crunching : Bottlenecks of SETI computations (Message 916015)
Posted 9 Jul 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Cheers Ned for the informative reply!

Assuming a 'keeping up with the data' scenario, ideally, do you know how much extra CPU power would be ideal if we wanted to analyze the data at an ideal resolution? Would say... 1000x let us achieve everything we would want? Or more/less than that maybe?


Welcome to the wonders of making your computer look for aliens.
I think ideally how much CPU power SETI needs is located here. The whole list if you please.

However, They do not have the budget for that. So we kindly let them use our idle computers to make a giant global supercomputer.

If you Visit the Server Status page here. You can see the current status of the tape splitters.

Looks like some Aug. '08 tapes are in there at the moment.
6484) Message boards : Number crunching : Best OS per platform for processing? (Message 916008)
Posted 9 Jul 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Patience is the Key.


Patience...... ok...... how long will that take?!
6485) Message boards : Number crunching : Best OS per platform for processing? (Message 916007)
Posted 9 Jul 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I'm betting he read about the presale. retail doesnt arrive until novemberish


October 22nd is officially announced on the Windows 7 Home page. My little brother will be turning 29 on that day. :)


Actually I said R.T.M.

RTM is Release To Manufacturing.

That is the day software is released to system makers, oems, msdns, and such to get ready for deployment to the general public.

The company I work for uses MSDN & Apple Developer program subscriptions. This gives us access to OS's & Software that is in Beta or RC to test for development. As well as final versions once they are released.

Companies that make products for the OS need access to the software before the public gets it. Otherwise there be this new OS with no drivers or software to install into it.

For people that don't know. Anyone can get a MSDN subscription. The OS only subscription run about $700USD for a new subscriber and give you 10 licenses for all of their OS's. Then it's $500 or $600 a year to renew. I personally have an OS subscription.

But yes standard retail date is October 22nd. The 1/2 price upgrade pre-sale that is going on now ends July 11th btw.
6486) Message boards : Number crunching : Best OS per platform for processing? (Message 915950)
Posted 9 Jul 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
For a test environment doing part-time crunching, I'd probably go for Dotsch/UX on USB flash drives.

That would keep BOINC out of the test environment(s) but could go right back when finished.


I was just thinking of something like that but with CD/DVD's. As all these machines have a 2nd partition for storage. Boot from the disc and use the 2nd partition for BOINC data. It is a lot easier to justify a spindle of CD's then it is 50 flash drives. lol
6487) Message boards : Number crunching : Best OS per platform for processing? (Message 915948)
Posted 9 Jul 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Hiyas Hal
I don't know if it makes any diffrence here but my 3 girls have been purring just fine/w Xp home. All 3 are AMD, and over time I've been more than happy w/the results. These machine are also used for gaming/business/general web surfing. When I 1st started w/the project (win 98 on a k6 laptop) I was happy to help out. I hav'nt used the newer OS's like Vista Due to all the problems my freinds have had over time. I put it here officially however.. I will probably move to W7 A YEAR AFTER the new OS comes out. (waiting for the problems to be fixed ETC) Over all this time I've noticed others here using various flavors of linux and getting good performance too. I guess if all the machines were exactly the same and you tried all the OS's you've spoken of you might get a better idea as far as performance goes.
=) ha that's my 2¢ off into the backround I go....


I've always found it better to ask and see what others have come up with first. This can often make things loads easier.

Just remember. Windows isn't a real OS until it has had a service pack.... or two. :D
6488) Message boards : Technical News : On Bandwidth (Jul 08 2009) (Message 915945)
Posted 9 Jul 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Great job making everything work as it is.
It must be hard to steer the boat when you are busy plugging holes.

Do your current routers allow for on the fly configuration. So that during peak loads the connection could be switched from redundancy and then back once it calmed down? It would be hard to say if that would be useful or if you would just have 200mb maxed out all the time.

Could something be done on the client side. Perhaps a check to see if the connection is getting slammed and then instead of trying to up/download. It would instead wait a bit. Perhaps this is already done. However, From the details shown in the message log currently it seems like, for an upload, it's just trying to hand the server all the data if it is there or not.
6489) Message boards : Number crunching : Best OS per platform for processing? (Message 915935)
Posted 9 Jul 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Over the years I have upgraded OS's on various hardware from 2K Pro to Win7 with a few Server bits thrown in. Running Seti Boinc and Classic.

If it does x64, generally it will perform better even thought the client is not native 64 bit. Call it roooom to stretch elbows.

I am Very Happy with Win 7 RC on the one machine and feel it performs better (certainly better than Vista). I have had less compatibilty issues with Win 7 than Vista.

So over the years turning off Services that were either Security Risks or were not needed to slim down the loading of DLL's on startup, can produce a fairly lean machine. If you use Server bits, insure you use a version of Boinc that will install as a Service, Servers are designed for Background/Network tasks.

So the last statement would be. Insure you have Permission for the Use of the Machines. Added RAC is not worth a Job.

Regards


Beforehand I did ask the big boss just to be on the safe side. After a little dog and pony show just had to disable the computers being displayed to the public. I think they said something about installing it on their cubicle machine after the demo.

Windows 7 goes RTM Monday. So I guess there is that to look forward to. The only compatibility issues I've had with Vista or W7 is the lack of 3Com NIC support. Otherwise they are great for setup. Install, tweek, & done!
6490) Message boards : Number crunching : Best OS per platform for processing? (Message 915927)
Posted 8 Jul 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
All the machines I've got running atm either have 2GB or 4GB of system ram.

I was hoping someone had done some testing like this beforehand so I wouldn't have to. No reason to redoing something if it's been done before and all.


For SETI@Home, anything over OS + (32MiB * #CPUs) is wasted. Each MultiBeam app and AP app requires as little as 32MB of free RAM. Even on a 16 CPU machine, this is only 512MiB.


These are test machines for software testing. They are all just idle now with the last round of layoffs we just had. Staff of 18 down to 4. The machines I'm running atm are all speced to run Vista with all the bells and whistles. So I figured they would churn out some decent results as they are left on 24/7 anyway.

I have another 61 machines that are in the range of Pii 400MHz to Piii 1GHz to setup too. Figured once I had everything worked out on the faster ones I might load those guys up to run too. After they figure out if they are going to add more science or do something with the bandwidth.
6491) Message boards : Number crunching : Best OS per platform for processing? (Message 915899)
Posted 8 Jul 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Ignoring the CPU cost and the deprivations of running anti-virus/anti-malware for the Windows systems, the most significant issue for performance for a particular system is likely which optimised application it is that you can run.

Then, the next issue is what reliability you can achieve.

Experiment to see?

Good luck,
Martin


All the machines I've got running atm either have 2GB or 4GB of system ram.

I was hoping someone had done some testing like this beforehand so I wouldn't have to. No reason to redoing something if it's been done before and all.

I'll probably give the lunatics clients a go. These system run with all the AV, malware, firewall crap disabled as they are in an isolated test lab, and are loaded form ghost images. So it's just a matter of loading up ghost & restoring the OS. Then it's fresh and clean.
6492) Questions and Answers : Windows : DC no longer supported? (Message 915880)
Posted 8 Jul 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I simply copied the program folder from an installation of the same platform. Started the manager, setup seti, added the registry entry for it to run at started, and it's been running on both of my domain controllers just fine.

One side effect of doing this is that the program folder will also be the data folder., but that doesn't really bother me.
6493) Message boards : Number crunching : Best OS per platform for processing? (Message 915816)
Posted 8 Jul 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Has anyone done testing to see which OS performs the best for the given hardware?

Currently I've got 13 of my machines BOINCing in my test lab. As these are setup for software testing I have ghost images for the following OS's to choose from:

MAC OS 10.3 PPC
MAC OS 10.4 PPC & intel
MAC OS 10.5 PPC & intel

Windows 2000
Windows XP x86
Windows XP x64
Windows Vista x86
Windows Vista x64
Windows 7 RC x86
Windows 7 RC x64
Windows Server 2003 x86
Windows Server 2003 x64
Windows Server 2008 x86
Windows Server 2008 x64
Windows Server 2008 R2 RC x64

Most of them I just have running XP x86 or XP x64 right now. I see on the XP x64 machines that the seti process is still 32 bit so I'm not sure if there is any advantage to using the x64 OS there or not.

I ask this as I have two machines that are basicly twins of eachother. They were setup and started running withing a few minutes of eachother, but are running drasticly diffrent.

Both Dell Optiplex boxen. One is a 740 the other 745. The diffrence being one is AMD one is Intel.

With the OS: XP x64

Avg. credit: 167.15 Total Credit: 2,178
AuthenticAMD AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 3800+ [AMD64 Family 15 Model 75 Stepping 2] (2 processors)

Avg. credit: 324.80 Total Credit: 4,081
GenuineIntel Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU 6300 @ 1.86GHz [EM64T Family 6 Model 15 Stepping 6] (2 processors)

Since installing BOINC both of these machines have been running with WU's constantly. However, I am thinking that perhaps another OS might be more suited to the AMD system as it's running about half the speed of the Intel one.

6494) Message boards : Number crunching : Why only 3 CPU's with Core 2 Quad CPU? (Message 915807)
Posted 8 Jul 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
You have all been very kind for helping.
So, to abuse your kindness I ask one more question.
If my CPU is being used to crunch WU's at 10% each and the rest of the WU to be crunched by the CUDA. Why do I only crunch 5 WU's at a time? Seems to me that should be 10 WU's

I am sure someone who knows way more then me can answer this but I am confused.

Thanks again for all your help,

Dillin


I think that means is that 10% of your CPU cycles were being used for handeling CUDA. With you processing 5 wu's now that number might change.
6495) Message boards : Number crunching : Why only 3 CPU's with Core 2 Quad CPU? (Message 915804)
Posted 8 Jul 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thank you Hal.

Any ideas on the (0.11 CPUs, 1 CUDA) thing?

Dillin


You have a video/graphic card in your PC that is capable of running CUDA tasks, which run on the GPU in your video card, not on your CPU. So it's taking up part of one CPU (.11 or about 10%) and all of the GPU to run a work unit (WU).

This is normal for a CUDA WU from the GPUGRID project.

As mentioned earlier, be sure your CPU and Multiprocessor preferences are set to 100%, and you should be running 4 CPU based (normal) WU and 1 CUDA WU on your C2Q.

Mark


Ah that's that that bugger is. I hadn't really had the time to find out exactly what that is. Given that it's the CPU usage guess lower is better then for the "0.01 CPUs" bit then.
6496) Message boards : Number crunching : Why only 3 CPU's with Core 2 Quad CPU? (Message 915802)
Posted 8 Jul 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Thank you Hal.

Any ideas on the (0.11 CPUs, 1 CUDA) thing?

Dillin


I am in advanced view.
Then I goto the tasks tab.
Highlight the cuda wu.
Select properties.
The window displays for Resources "0.01 CPUs, 1 CUDA"

I'd guess the 0.01 CPUs might be based on the GPU in some way, or maybe that value is based on the WU. the system I jsut looked at is using a GF8500GT

6497) Message boards : Number crunching : Why only 3 CPU's with Core 2 Quad CPU? (Message 915783)
Posted 8 Jul 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
Sorry if this topic has already been covered. I looked but could not find it.

I am running a Core 2 Quad Q9400 @2.66 CPU.

Boinc says that my preferences are set to limit it to 3 CPU's. Why is that? I want it to use all of them. Preferences has no option for setting number of CPU's.

Also, In my task window. The task's that are working under the status pane say "working (0.11 CPUs, 1 CUDA) Could anyone please axplain?

I don't know if I F'd up something or this is normal.

Dillin


Have you checked your account settings on the website here?
Under "When and how BOINC uses your computer"
Find
"On multiprocessors, use at most"
Make sure it's set to.
100 % of the processors

Also check the settings by going to Advanced > Prefs on the BOINC client.
Then on the "processor usage" tab check "On multiprocessors, use at most x% of the processors" setting there too.
6498) Message boards : Number crunching : solar powered cruncher (Message 915749)
Posted 8 Jul 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
actually i did some checking, i can get 8KW system for 27k, plus all the write offs and intensives in California, i get it down to pay $5000 at the end, wow.


Does CA still have funds? I've been looking into solar for a few years, but it's just to costly for me. NJ's solar fund program is 2 years over paid. So there are no funds if I should try for it. :(
6499) Message boards : Number crunching : I QUIT! (Message 915733)
Posted 8 Jul 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I've been running seti over 9 years 24/7 and can't remember a single month this project hasn't had problems. So no one can call me impatient. Message me if interested in any of my farm, its going cheap..already given away 3 dual cores.


What you are really saying is that you have got tired of the project and you are going to take up a different hobby?

No problem at all with that, you can contribute, or not, as you wish. Thanks for the work you have done, maybe still run part time? You are welcome to come back in the future etc.

But one thing that your thread has bought out is that people are getting things the wrong way around.

SETI is not providing us with a service, we are doing WORK for them. If people change to that mind set, then SETI not having enough work for everyone 24/7 isn't such an issue. If there are enough crunchers to do 120% of the work that the project can provide, so what? It just means that you may get retries, or run out of work occasionally.

THATS NORMAL.

As for the baling wire and duct tape - isn't that actually the idea. Run a HUGE computing project on a minimal budget. The whole project, BOINC and SETI are science experimants. Two main aims, work out how to run a volunteer distributed computing system (they are writing the 'how to' book as they go) and look for ETs interstellar TV transmitter. To do that we need to look at as much radio telescope data as we can. That means pushing what the project hardware can handle.

Making suggestions/discussion as to how things can be improved, raising $$ to buy better hardware, reporting bugs, helping newbies get their systems crunching well, etc are all positive.

Moaning about how the project and it's admins are not looking after you like a 'customer' is not. We are not customers of SETI, we are suppiers of CPU time to SETI. Occasionally they dont need our help, but they will tomorrow, or next week, or part time.

Waaaa Waaa.. there is no work. Thats a bit like the Volunteer Firefighter mentioned above complaining that there have been no fires to put out this week...

:-)

Ian


<sarcasim>HEY! Where did they get the money for duck tape!</sarcasim> :)
6500) Message boards : Number crunching : I QUIT! (Message 915730)
Posted 8 Jul 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
How about a forced 'trimming' of the fat ?

Obsolescence is part of technology growth - without it, well....you could imagine.

I realize that this is a 'volunteer' program, but maybe it's time for the folks at Seti@Home to tighten up requirements a bit in terms of hardware to run the project - ON THE USER END.

Why not make SSE3 capabilities a MINIMUM Requirement to join as a donor of CPU cycles ?

There are alot of old@ss systems kicking around the project that the project could probably do without.

How many sub-> 3Ghz Pentium 4 PCs are there wasting bandwidth on the network ?

Considering a half decent CUDA card RAC's about 5,000+ on it's own, how many full PCs can that single card repalce in terms of validated work ?

Technology has no room for sentimentalism.......We strive to move forward.

My 2cents.
Allan


So my 8 processor Xeon 500Mhz/1mb SQL server should be tossed aside, or I should spend the money to replace it with a more modern equivalent?

Really if everyone had slower machines it would make things better for their bandwith. Which if they increase the resolution of the processing to take longer will accomplish that.

One of the recent postings in the Tech News section was about all the bandwith being used by cuda wu's actually.
"Clearly this is a result of increasing our user base, and the growing percentage of results being processed by cuda clients."
I have noticed on one of my systems with a GF8500GT often completes cuda wu's in 25-30 min or so.

Back in the days of "Seti Classic" the "increased the science" at one point as there was a large number of users and limited bandwith. Which seems to have happened again.

6501) Message boards : Technical News : Obstacles (Jul 07 2009) (Message 915674)
Posted 8 Jul 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I absolutely hate NetworkManager. The only thing it is useful for is a laptop with wireless. If you're just using wired connections, and keeping static IPs, do manual config. That's the only way.

Or if you don't want to do manual/static configs, set persistent DHCP leases on the DHCP server. I do that on my home network, that way if my ISP's DNS server addresses change, I can just update the dhcpd.conf instead of all the machines.

I call it "statically dynamic".. or "dynamically static". Depends on which you prefer.


I call em DHCP reservations myself.

Mm..sounds like an Active Directory person.. :p


eeeeewwwwww AD!!!!

Ciscos defination of manual binding always just sounded to kinky for me personaly. lol

6502) Message boards : Number crunching : Welcome to the 10 year club (Message 915634)
Posted 8 Jul 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
My 10 year date is a few months off, and is now also one hell of a date as you can see. The 10 year anniversary also marks my return so crunching seti. Until recently it wasn't viable to run BOINC on the machines in my lab. However, With the recent layoffs. Those machines are now idle most of the time. Instead of being reghosted several times a day for testing.
6503) Message boards : Technical News : Obstacles (Jul 07 2009) (Message 915599)
Posted 8 Jul 2009 by Profile HAL9000
Post:
I absolutely hate NetworkManager. The only thing it is useful for is a laptop with wireless. If you're just using wired connections, and keeping static IPs, do manual config. That's the only way.

Or if you don't want to do manual/static configs, set persistent DHCP leases on the DHCP server. I do that on my home network, that way if my ISP's DNS server addresses change, I can just update the dhcpd.conf instead of all the machines.

I call it "statically dynamic".. or "dynamically static". Depends on which you prefer.


I call em DHCP reservations myself.


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