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1) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (94) Server Problems? (Message 1633003)
Posted 6 hours ago by Profile HAL9000
Glenn it can happen due to lots of reasons, sometimes the user has to do nothing for it to happen.

I remember a thread a while ago about this.

I do remember seeing a thread about this, too. There was some time a few years ago where some machines were getting a new ID for... no reason that could be determined. I believe the best theory had something to do with A/V interrupting the process of updating client_state.xml every 60 seconds, and if BOINC can't write it.. it just kind of starts anew.

However, if you say both "machines" seem to be updating on their own even though there is really only one machine, the next thing you'll need to do is click "show IP address" on both of the apparently-identical machines to confirm whether or not it is the same machine or not.

So compare those addresses and report back (for security reasons, DON'T actually post your IP here, just whether they're the same or different.

I had one machine a few years ago that was generating a new ID every few days for no reason at all. A work machine with a clean ghosted OS image loaded & only BOINC running.
Also for me BOINC only records the internal network IPs from my machines on the LAN side of my router rather than my internet IP.
2) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (94) Server Problems? (Message 1632878)
Posted 17 hours ago by Profile HAL9000
Cricket indicates more data being imported. It will probably take a couple hrs before it's ready to be split.

There is one already being split.
3) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (94) Server Problems? (Message 1632863)
Posted 18 hours ago by Profile HAL9000
Looks like the AP cleanup is done.
Hopefully after the weekly outage & DB cleanup MB & AP splitting should be restored to their former levels (once we have new data to split).

I think this may be the first time I have seen the data set queue be empty from all the work being split.
4) Message boards : Number crunching : AstroPulse Work Fetch Thread (Message 1632748)
Posted 22 hours ago by Profile HAL9000
Yeah right. 7.0.65 works fine as well. As does most of the versions in between.
I want you to stop and think about the uproar that would be caused on this Forum if you told EVERYONE here they couldn't use anything Less than 7.2.42. This is a Server Error, not a BOINC version Error. The Server works Fine under Anonymous platform proving it isn't a BOINC Version Error.

This Bug was introduced with AstroPulse version 7 on MACs Only. There isn't any reason for it and there isn't any way to determine what other Effects this could have.
Known BUGS should be corrected.


Other than that, there seems to be something strange going on. I know these APs are heavily Blanked but I don't recall them zipping along the way they are on this system, http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/results.php?hostid=7199204
I hope there's nothing wrong...

So you are saying that two recommended release versions work fine, but the versions in between them do not?

Something does look odd with those short run times. There are a few that are low or zero blanked that ran in 600-700 seconds. Which is really fast for a HD6800.
5) Message boards : Number crunching : Lost Credit and Tasks? (Message 1632734)
Posted 22 hours ago by Profile HAL9000
I know I shouldn't be so petty but I noticed my badge is gone as well. I have
a OK RAC of 23K, as of this post. One of my computers is down so not as good
as it should be. And almost 12 million in work done score.

????


Badges haven't been working right since the great crash of 2014. I don't think it's been a priority to fix them. Mine still shows me as "bronze"; due to my current points in RAC, I believe I should be well into the "silver" range by now.

Hopefully, they will fix this; but, like I said, it most likely isn't a priority.

Your current RAC puts you at rank 1,920. As I calculated previously
With the current 123057 active users the 5% badge would be granted to those from rank 6152 to 1231.


However just browsing the Top participants list it is clear that the badges are not really working. Given the user at #7 has a silver badge. I normally have the badges disabled in my browser. Given they are plastered all over the place in a gaudy fashion.
6) Message boards : Number crunching : Top GPU models list (Message 1632643)
Posted 1 day ago by Profile HAL9000
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=75889 in the Questions and Answers forum may be of interest.
Joe

Indeed it is.
I do wonder if providing of list with GFLOPs might be more useful. Somewhat like the CPU list.
7) Message boards : Number crunching : Lost Credit and Tasks? (Message 1632580)
Posted 1 day ago by Profile HAL9000
Thanks guys, I noticed my client had 'Use GPU Never' - which I must have selected recently by accident.

Allowed GPU usage again.

Looking at the App details for your host. It looks like you have not done any SETI@home v7 or AstroPulse v7 on your GPU. AstroPulse v7 was added in October. So your RAC may have been falling for quite some time with your GPU set not to be used.
8) Message boards : Number crunching : Question about AP vs MB Preferences (Message 1632576)
Posted 1 day ago by Profile HAL9000
With the changes to the feeder only sending out a maximum of 7 AP tasks the feeder may have AP work to send out much more frequently. However with AP + other set you will get MB work when the feeder has 0 AP work.
I am ok with going several hours or a few days with no new AP. Even with a queue of 100 AP my fastest GPU takes about 2 days to do them all.

For one of my machines that is AP only & rarely ever has to get switched to my AP+MB venue. Most of the requests of AP come back with 0.
Total number of work requests: 1000 Number of requests gaining work: 132 Number of requests not gaining work: 868 Tasks per request percent and count: Total 0 tasks: 86 %, 868 1 tasks: 9 %, 98 2 tasks: 2 %, 24 3 tasks: 0 %, 8 4 tasks: 0 %, 2 5 tasks: 0 %, 0 6 tasks: 0 %, 0 7 tasks: 0 %, 0 8 tasks: 0 %, 0 9 tasks: 0 %, 0
9) Message boards : Number crunching : Lost Credit and Tasks? (Message 1632572)
Posted 1 day ago by Profile HAL9000
With the current 123057 active users the 5% badge would be granted to those from rank 6152 to 1231. Looking at the Top participants for that area you have just fallen below 6152.
Looking at the external stat site Free-DC your daily output in the past week looks to have dropped a bit. Probably when we were out of AP work recently. Which would reduce your RAC compared to others that say do MB work only.
10) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (94) Server Problems? (Message 1632470)
Posted 1 day ago by Profile HAL9000
They really should turn on the ap assimilator v6 too. I still have 6 AP v6 tasks that needs to be assimilated.

I'm sure there are still thousands of AP v6 tasks in need of assimilation.

Edit, added:

Not good:

5471 SETI@home 2015-01-24 16:21:58 Sending scheduler request: To fetch work.
5472 SETI@home 2015-01-24 16:21:58 Requesting new tasks for GPU
5473 SETI@home 2015-01-24 16:22:41 Scheduler request failed: HTTP internal server error

I have 26 APv6 that are ones stuck in limbo & will require the clean up script to be set free.
11) Message boards : Number crunching : Seti@home 7.7.03 OpenCL Intel sah problem (Message 1632468)
Posted 1 day ago by Profile HAL9000
Your Intel GPU driver version of 10.18.10.3939 could also be an issue. It has been found with a few drivers so far that they do not work well with SETI@home applications, or a few other projects as well.
10.18.10.3621 and 10.18.10.4061 are known good drivers at the moment. Recently some discussion about drivers was had here.
12) Message boards : Number crunching : Question about AP vs MB Preferences (Message 1632466)
Posted 1 day ago by Profile HAL9000
Right now, I have my SETI preferences set to AP and MB. I get relatively few APs, of course. From reading the Fora, I get the distinct impression that those who have their preferences set to AP only get a lot more APs than I do.

If I changed my prefs to AP only, no MB, BUT also said "send me anything you got if you don't have the apps (AP) I checked available"

1) would I get APs preferentially (to MB) when both are available?
2) would I still get MBs as before when no APs are available?
3) would I net more APs that way?

Thanks for any info!

You will not really get any more AP than you do now if you do AP + other apps than you would with AP + MB enabled.
If you want to mostly do AP then you would set only AP & manually toggle MB when required. I have one venue set for MB only, one for AP only & one for MB + AP. If I see an AP only machine get down to only a few tasks remaining I switch it over to the MB + AP venue until more become available.

Given that my machines are not super speed demons I rarely have to do anything.
13) Message boards : Number crunching : Top GPU models list (Message 1632385)
Posted 1 day ago by Profile HAL9000
A bit worrying to see the GTX 980 coming in at number 14

Perhaps it takes a while to build up in the ranks?
Also the performance most likely doesn't take into account the number of tasks being run at once. I would imagine those high end cards are running 3+ tasks at once.
14) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (94) Server Problems? (Message 1632360)
Posted 1 day ago by Profile HAL9000
Oh, oh, oh. Something is struggling now. Not good, not good at all...

I'm hoping that the purging of the AP workunits that were assimilated yesterday has started.

Edit: My total AP valid has just dropped about 150. So looks like purging is now occurring!

Well, I can't even get to my task pages. Everything task related is not loading for the moment.

Luckily I had mine open & refreshing it only took 4 or 5 min.
15) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (94) Server Problems? (Message 1632351)
Posted 1 day ago by Profile HAL9000
Oh, oh, oh. Something is struggling now. Not good, not good at all...

I'm hoping that the purging of the AP workunits that were assimilated yesterday has started.

Edit: My total AP valid has just dropped about 150. So looks like purging is now occurring!
16) Message boards : Number crunching : Top GPU models list (Message 1632342)
Posted 1 day ago by Profile HAL9000
I was checking out the Top GPU models list today & noticed something strange.
The unique name I modified BOINC to display of "ATI Radeon HD 6870 (Barts XT)" for my hosts 5837483 & 7421701 is displayed. Rather than the BOINC default of "AMD Radeon HD 6790/6850/6870 series (Barts)". I had thought this list was generated only using data from the stock apps, but it looks to be including data from Anonymous platform apps as well. Which makes it much more useful.
From what I can tell there may be a requirement of two hosts with the same GPU to have it listed. Like the CPU list requiring at least 10 hosts for the CPU to be listed.
17) Message boards : Number crunching : Move Boinc & Seti to new partition.... (Message 1632258)
Posted 2 days ago by Profile HAL9000
I can guess at the answer, but will ask the question anyway.

Is there any way to move Boinc to another drive/partition without having to finish all tasks, report them, un-install & re-install specifying the new location?

I ask as I recently upgraded my C drive from a HDD to a SDD. I realise it should take many decades for the read/writes from Boinc to degrade my SSD, but as Seti/Boinc do not need the access speeds a SSD gives It would make a little bit of sense to shift them to disk drive and off the solid state drive, and reduce the wear of the SSD as much as possible.

Thoughts, comments and criticisms welcome.

Don't know about Windows, but in Linux I can attach whatever partition I want to to the path of the boinc folder. As long as you move the boinc folder as a unit and change the commandline options of boinc.exe to use the new location as the home for it, you should be able to put it wherever you want. I've even transfered a boinc folder to another cruncher and had him finish some tasks for me before.

Boinc uses relative path and not absolute.

Another option windows provides is with the mklink command. Much link the directory and file linking in *nix systems. So you could move BOINC where you like & then just make a link back to the original path to keep everything everything else happy.
Using something along the lines of:
mklink /D C:\Program Files\BOINC D:\BOINC
mklink /D C:\ProgramData\BOINC D:\BOINCData

Remote paths can also be uses if you wanted to keep your BOINC stuff on a remote machine or network storage device.
18) Message boards : Number crunching : AP V7 (Message 1632232)
Posted 2 days ago by Profile HAL9000
That longer running task finished at 1.465 million seconds (16 days 23 hours, or 407hours), Credit received was over 600 at 606.31,

Claggy

The 2-3 days for the SSE versions blast right along in comparison.
19) Message boards : Number crunching : Win 10 will be a FREE Upgrade to Win 7 & 8 Users!!! (Message 1632231)
Posted 2 days ago by Profile HAL9000
For those that are curious like me, I found that what Microsoft is calling OS as a Service simply means they will push all updates to your computer automatically. No more Service Packs. Possibly no more Patch Tuesday. When an update is ready, it goes out.

-[ snip ]-

Greetings OzzFan,

Are you saying that we will have NO control over updates as we do now? I have Win7 inform me that there are updates and that I will deal with them at my leisure, meaning I don't want the update system rebooting my PC "automagically" without my consent or me having a hand in it.

The update system does not know my password to finish the boot process. At 1am, my PC would be sitting here waiting for it. BOINC would not be running until I get up and realize the M$ sent an update and tried rebooting my PC. BOINC would miss out on hours of crunch time.

I certainly hope that M$ is not planning on taking FULL control of the updates and allows me to continue as I have for the past couple decades.

Keep on BOINCing...! :)

MS specifically stated that updated could be be delayed for those that needed or wished to run longer stability situations. They also stated that they want to have things like security patches & fixes pushed out as soon as they are available. So Patch Tuesday may in fact be going away.
I imagine the auto update service will still be able to be disabled as it can be now. At least in the preview releases of Windows 10 you still can. However, I haven't had a change to install the newest version released this week.
20) Message boards : Number crunching : Win 10 will be a FREE Upgrade to Win 7 & 8 Users!!! (Message 1631953)
Posted 2 days ago by Profile HAL9000
I would think your old LaserJet drivers would still work (I have a 4000N, 8100DN, and DesignJet 600) that are all working in 7-64. The two LaserJets were installed through finding the drivers via Windows Updates, but the DesignJet was tricky. I had to track down the 64-bit win2k drivers for that one.

64-bit drivers for really old hardware are basically universal, though they won't be signed and "trusted" by newer OSes, but they will still work just fine. Regarding the fact that the 4000 and the 8100 both got the drivers via Windows Update, I would have to assume they'll still be there and available for Win 10, as well.

(all three of my printers have JetDirect cards in them, so they are all network printers, and installing them is not specifically straightforward like plugging a USB printer in, or running the 800MB bloatware software suite for modern printers and selecting how the printer is connected.

To manually add a printer: control panel > devices and printers > Add Printer Wizard > add local printer > create a new port > type of port > TCP/IP > enter IP address, and then it should be pretty self-explanatory from that point. I should also note that my printers do use DHCP, but have reserved addresses. If you can't reserve a DHCP address for them, you should configure them to a static address, otherwise they might stop working because their IP changed.)

A driver that has been signed by MS for an older OS will have a compatible signature for all newer OS. Until they removed the ability to do so. We were only submitting our Wind 7/8 drivers for Windows XP digital signatures. Now we just submit for Windows 7 & there are check boxes to include the older OS such as XP & Vista. If a driver has only been signed for one platform you can get the unsigned driver message in the other platform. Such as an x86 signed driver in an x64 OS.

We haven't had any issues with our printer drivers in Windows 10, but they haven't really changed anything in the printing subsystem since some new things added in Windows 8.x. XP, Vista, & 7 drivers should continue to work with any issues. Miscellaneous software, from those 800MB bloatware packages, on the other hand may need an update. I do know the scanner software we provide with our MFPs does not care for Windows 8 or 10. So the overlords at the head office have finally decided to replace it.


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