Posts by Byron Leigh Hatch @ team Carl Sagan

1) Message boards : Politics : Greatest Best Leader of ALL TIME Yep Dat BeeeZZZ Big BIg BIG Hands Golden Haired Long Black Coat Wearin; WINNING ALWAYS Prez #45 45ers Gots His Back. You, Not So Much.......Yap (Message 1970267)
Posted 22 hours ago by Profile Byron Leigh Hatch @ team Carl Sagan
Post:
Election Law Violations Compared: Obama 2008 vs. Trump 2016
Alex Kasprak
Published 22 August 2018 - by - Snopes

On 21 August 2018, Michael Cohen, Donald Trump’s former personal attorney and self-described “fixer”, pled guilty to eight criminal charges, two of which were election law violations concerning the facilitation of hush money payments made in the run-up to the November 2016 general election to women who allegedly had affairs with Trump.

During a hearing in a Manhattan federal courthouse, Cohen stated under oath that he committed these election law crimes “at the direction of” Donald Trump while the latter was a candidate for president, leading some commentators to classify Trump an “unindicted co-conspirator” (although he has not yet been charged in any crime). One defense against such charges, articulated by President Trump on Twitter the following morning, was that Barack Obama also committed campaign finance violations that were just as bad in 2008, but he was let off much easier:

In this tweet, President Trump attempted to compare:

the criminal charges brought against Cohen by the

US Justice Department

with a series of civil violations brought against the Obama campaign by the:

Federal Election Commission

a separate, independent body which cannot prosecute criminal cases


While it is true that President Obama’s 2008 campaign was fined a significant amount of money by the:

FEC, those fines covered civil violations that were different than the criminal infractions admitted to by Cohen.

In late 2012, President Barack Obama’s 2008 campaign was fined $375,000 by the FEC for reporting violations. The major issue concerned the timely documentation of donations made in the 20 days prior to the election, a window of time during which the FEC requires official notice of contributions exceeding $1,000 to be submitted no more than 48 hours after receipt of those donations:

The major sticking point for the FEC appeared to be a series of missing 48-hour notices for nearly 1,300 contributions totaling more than $1.8 million — an issue that lawyers familiar with the commission’s work say the FEC takes seriously. The notices must be filed on contributions of $1,000 or more that are received within the 20-day window of Election Day …

The document outlined other violations, such as erroneous contribution dates on some campaign reports. The Obama campaign was also late returning some contributions that exceeded the legal limit.

While the fines leveled against the Obama campaign were among the largest in the FEC’s history, so too was the amount of money raised by that campaign. Speaking to Politico in 2013, Republican election lawyer Jason Torchinsky said that “$375,000 is a huge fine” but added that the Obama campaign was also the first billion-dollar presidential campaign in history, making the fine “proportionally … not out of line.” In the same story, former FEC commissioner Michael Toner said “that the infractions were relatively minor, given the scope of the campaign.”
Speaking to us by phone, Ann Ravel, a former FEC commissioner who served from 2013 to 2017, told us that “the FEC does not have criminal capabilities. All of the criminal cases have to be prosecuted by the Department of Justice.” For a criminal violation of election law to be enforced by the Department of Justice (which was the case in the Cohen matter), she told us, the violation must be considered both intentional and serious:
Not only does the matter have to be something that is purposeful, but it [also has to be] a major violation. People often have reporting violations [and] that’s what the Obama ones were determined to be.
In [Cohen’s] case, what [the Department of Justice] determined is that there was a criminal intent to hide a campaign contribution … and so, it falls within a criminal violation, as opposed to just a civil one to be enforced by the FEC.

From a legal standpoint, the Department of Justice has already proved that Cohen intentionally acted to facilitate and hide an illegal contribution for the purpose of affecting the election, because that is what he formally admitted to. In a document produced by the Southern District of New York whose accuracy was affirmed by Cohen under oath, Cohen agreed that he:

Knowingly and willfully caused a corporation to make a contribution and expenditure … to ensure that Woman-1 did not publicize damaging allegations before the 2016 presidential election and thereby influence that election.
[and]
Knowingly and willfully made and caused to be made a contribution … in excess of the limits of the Election Act … to Woman-2 to ensure that she did not publicize damaging allegations before the 2016 presidential election and thereby influence that election.

The infractions committed by the 2008 Obama campaign were not alleged to be intentional, and the FEC did not consider the campaign’s documentation lapses as rising to the level of a “serious” offense prosecutable by the Department of Justice.

“There are always reporting violations in campaigns. Many of them minor, many of them substantive,” Ravel told us. “But in this case … what was admitted to by Cohen was that there was a clear intent to use campaign money for the purpose of keeping the individuals quiet right before the election for campaign purposes.”

Trump’s assertion that Cohen broke no law is in conflict with his own Justice Department, who secured multiple guilty pleas related to the commission of violations of federal election laws. Specifically, Cohen admitted to intentionally violating portions of the following federal election laws on behalf of Donald Trump:

•52 U.S. Code § 30116 – Limitations on contributions and expenditures

•52 U.S. Code § 30118 – Contributions or expenditures by national banks, corporations, or labor organizations

Obama’s civil FEC infractions, while they resulted in a large fine, are legally distinct from

what Cohen pled guilty to, which is the intentional commission of felonies intended to affect the outcome of a federal election.


Sources:

Rashbaum, William K. et al. “Michael Cohen Says He Arranged Payments to Women at Trump’s Direction.”
The New York Times. 21 August 2018.

Liptak, Adam and Jim Rutenberg. “Cohen Implicates President Trump. What Do Prosecutors Do Now?”
The New York Times. 21 August 2018.

Federal Election Commission. “About.”
Accessed 22 August 2018.

Haberman, Maggie. “Obama 2008 Campaign Fined $375,000”
Politico. 4 January 2013.

Jureic, Quinta. “Document: Michael Cohen Plea Agreement.”
Lawfare. 21 August 2018.

Bravender, Robin, and Dave Levinthal. FEC Audits Obama ’08 Camp.”

Politico. 19 April 2012.

https://www.snopes.com/news/2018/08/22/election-law-violations-compared-obama-2008-vs-trump-2016/

Snopes About Us:

Snopes is the internet’s definitive fact-checking resource.When misinformation obscures the truth and readers don’t know what to trust, Snopes.com’s fact checking and original, investigative reporting lights the way to evidence-based and contextualized analysis. We always document our sources so readers are empowered to do independent research and make up their own minds.
Snopes got its start in 1994, investigating urban legends, hoaxes, and folklore. Founder David Mikkelson, later joined by his wife, was publishing online before most people were connected to the internet. As demand for reliable fact checks grew, so did Snopes. Now it’s the oldest and largest fact-checking site online, widely regarded by journalists, folklorists, and readers as an invaluable research companion. Snopes.com is an independent publication owned by Snopes Media Group. Explore our FAQ to learn more about us, or consider supporting us with a direct contribution. If you have any questions, please let us know.

https://www.snopes.com/news/2018/08/22/election-law-violations-compared-obama-2008-vs-trump-2016/

By Alex Kasprak

Published 22 August 2018

Filed Under barack obama, donald trump, federal election comission
2) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Thor is the Designer Cafe! (Message 1968975)
Posted 8 days ago by Profile Byron Leigh Hatch @ team Carl Sagan
Post:
All Hail Thor!
3) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Just thought I would pop in and say... (Message 1968850)
Posted 9 days ago by Profile Byron Leigh Hatch @ team Carl Sagan
Post:
Just thought I would pop in and say... hello.
4) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Former president George H.W. Bush has died, family spokesperson confirms (Message 1968521)
Posted 11 days ago by Profile Byron Leigh Hatch @ team Carl Sagan
Post:
R.I.P.

George herbert walker bush
5) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Thor is the Designer Cafe! (Message 1967888)
Posted 15 days ago by Profile Byron Leigh Hatch @ team Carl Sagan
Post:
Thor also delivered needed rain to Vancouver Canada.

All Hail Thor!
6) Message boards : Cafe SETI : SETI Contributor, Josef Winsor Segur passed some time ago. (Message 1967886)
Posted 15 days ago by Profile Byron Leigh Hatch @ team Carl Sagan
Post:
RIP I am so sorry to hear this.
7) Message boards : Cafe SETI : TLPTPHW CCLXXIV (Message 1966068)
Posted 26 days ago by Profile Byron Leigh Hatch @ team Carl Sagan
Post:
Mornings are overrated.

Until you don't have one anymore.

Exactly! I agree LOL . . . . . (-:
8) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Thor is the Designer Cafe! (Message 1965979)
Posted 27 days ago by Profile Byron Leigh Hatch @ team Carl Sagan
Post:
Byron, Thor will help y
Hail Thor and be happy

yes your right,Thor saved my life, he stabilized my heart failure.
9) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Thor is the Designer Cafe! (Message 1965411)
Posted 29 days ago by Profile Byron Leigh Hatch @ team Carl Sagan
Post:
All Hail Thor!
10) Message boards : Cafe SETI : congestive heart failure - signs - symptoms - treatments and disscussion. (Message 1964447)
Posted 10 Nov 2018 by Profile Byron Leigh Hatch @ team Carl Sagan
Post:
Byron, have they gotten you on an exercise bike yet?
how about an arm bike?

walking an hour is a huge step.
did they tell you how much water to drink during the day?
i was told to limit to about a liter of water a day.

keep trucking man!

Hi phud,
Yes I for forgot to mention that,
I go once a week, for exercise bike, 30 mins,
tread mill one hour, plus an arm bike.
plus at home i walk 30 mins per day
and the Doctor have limit me to: one liter of water a day.
plus they change my meds a little bit, the change seems to help me,
i will keep trucking man. i like that saying (-:
ya all take care now, ya hear?
thanks to everyone, for your kind words of encouragement,
god bless you all ... Byron

PS: the Lady nurses are Gorgrous ;-)
11) Message boards : Cafe SETI : congestive heart failure - signs - symptoms - treatments and disscussion. (Message 1963976)
Posted 8 Nov 2018 by Profile Byron Leigh Hatch @ team Carl Sagan
Post:
Byron, how are you doing now?

Hi Phud! and Hi to everyone,
doing great!
that cardiac rehab center has really help me,
walking up to one hour a day now,
VGH Centre for Cardiovascular health,
Cardiac Rehab Program,
Cardiac Function Clinic,

Phud, how are you doing now?

God Bless you Phud and God Bless everyone,
and Best Wishes for Good Health,
... byron
12) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Thor is the Designer Cafe! (Message 1963971)
Posted 8 Nov 2018 by Profile Byron Leigh Hatch @ team Carl Sagan
Post:
one more all hail thor.
hello to:
wiggo
betreger
Gary
and hello to everyone.
13) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Thor is the Designer Cafe! (Message 1963964)
Posted 8 Nov 2018 by Profile Byron Leigh Hatch @ team Carl Sagan
Post:
happy thorsday to everyone,
best wishes to everyone,
… byron
14) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Don't know where it should go? Stick it here! Part VI (Message 1962930)
Posted 2 Nov 2018 by Profile Byron Leigh Hatch @ team Carl Sagan
Post:
15) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Raccoon Update XXV - All are welcome in the Critter Cafe (Message 1962911)
Posted 2 Nov 2018 by Profile Byron Leigh Hatch @ team Carl Sagan
Post:
16) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Word Link # 98 (Message 1962300)
Posted 28 Oct 2018 by Profile Byron Leigh Hatch @ team Carl Sagan
Post:
alarm
17) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Just thought I would pop in and say... (Message 1962167)
Posted 27 Oct 2018 by Profile Byron Leigh Hatch @ team Carl Sagan
Post:
hi Michael good to see you.

… byron
18) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Don't know where it should go? Stick it here! Part VI (Message 1962158)
Posted 27 Oct 2018 by Profile Byron Leigh Hatch @ team Carl Sagan
Post:
… best wishes to everyone.


from … byron
19) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Thor is the Designer Cafe! (Message 1961846)
Posted 25 Oct 2018 by Profile Byron Leigh Hatch @ team Carl Sagan
Post:
happy thorsday to everyone.
please let there be peace on earth.
please Thor,
thank you,

… from ... byron my dad, mum, brother … who are in Thor heaven
20) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Thor is the Designer Cafe! (Message 1960811)
Posted 18 Oct 2018 by Profile Byron Leigh Hatch @ team Carl Sagan
Post:
Happy Thor's day to all from me … byron


Next 20


 
©2018 University of California
 
SETI@home and Astropulse are funded by grants from the National Science Foundation, NASA, and donations from SETI@home volunteers. AstroPulse is funded in part by the NSF through grant AST-0307956.