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1) Message boards : Number crunching : Lunatics Windows Installer v0.44 - new release for v8 (required upgrade) (Message 1760289)
Posted 9 days ago by Profile John Neale
I have been running the Lunatics Intel GPU app here and the stock Intel GPU app on Beta, on an HD 4600, using the most recent driver (version, dated 4 August 2015), without encountering any problems at all.

Thanks John, good to know that version works as well - at least for SETI.

If it's working, I'd leave well alone: but technically speaking, it isn't the "most recent". Looking on the Intel web site, I found

Version: (Latest) Date: 12/11/2015

Unpacking the zip, the internal documentation describes it as

Release Version: Production Version Intel(R) Graphics Driver: Intel(R) Display Audio Driver: Package: 514951 Operating System(s): Microsoft Windows* 7 64-bit Microsoft Windows* 8.1 64-bit Release Date: November 30, 2015

(separate 32-bit versions, and versions for Windows 10, are also available. The discrepancy between download version numbers/dates and driver version numbers/dates continues to irritate me.)

This is not a recommendation to upgrade: more a reminder to myself that perhaps I ought to test it, both here and at Einstein, before the next installer release.

I certainly won't upgrade at the moment. Interestingly, if I do try and update the driver, Windows (I'm using v8.1) informs me that it is up to date, which is why I referred to it as "most recent". A more accurate description would have been "more recent".

While I have your attention, may I ask you two questions? You have some hardware that is similar to mine, so you may have some experience that I could benefit from.

1. I'm running one task at a time on my HD 4600 GPU, and the GPU utilisation typically runs at between 93 and 94 %. Do you think there'd be any mileage to be gained in running two tasks (MultiBeam and/or AstroPulse) simultaneously on this card?

2. I have a four-core Intel Core i5-4210M CPU which has a clock speed of 2.60 GHz. My machine is an HP ProBook laptop, so I'm throttling the CPU temperatures to a maximum of 75 °C with the TThrottle utility. I am not reserving a core for the GPU at any time (whether running MultiBeam or AstroPulse). I haven't done any testing, but I do observe that CPU utilisation by the GPU app is fairly low for both types of task. Should I consider reserving a CPU core, especially when running AstroPulse tasks?
2) Message boards : Number crunching : Lunatics Windows Installer v0.44 - new release for v8 (required upgrade) (Message 1759968)
Posted 10 days ago by Profile John Neale
Thanks, Grant - that's one I can cross off my list.

Intel GPU drivers:

The wording on the installer interface says (as Dirk has quoted accurately): at least driver

Drivers earlier than that (with a lower version number than 9.18.....) are OpenCL v1.1 only, and will not work. Later drivers (like the version ten that Dirk is already using) should work, but I don't own examples of every version of the Intel HD GPUs, and I don't spend time testing each new driver release. What I do is to find a stable driver for my hardware, and use that to test the new applications before releasing them.

If driver was working stably and giving validated results with the previous applications, I think we can say that the same driver will give equally good results with the updated applications: there's no need to change it. If, at some future date, the minimum driver requirement does need to change, I will try to make that clear on the installer interface, in the release notes posted here, and in the internal supplied documentation.

The installation notes for Intel drivers in general are supplied as a courtesy to volunteers setting up an Intel GPU based BOINC platform in general. Some people (including me) have found that Intel OpenCL drivers are not supplied by default on all new computers fitted with compatible GPUs: and/or, the Intel automatic installers fail and say (falsely) that compatible hardware is not present on some machines.

As the opening post in this thread also says:

Many people have reported problems getting Intel's automated update and installation tools to work, but their manual installation instructions (requiring the download of the '.zip' driver package) appear to work on systems which reject the automated tools. A copy of Intel's ReadMe file for driver installation will be placed in the Lunatics docs folder for reference if you select either of the iGPU applications.

I have been running the Lunatics Intel GPU app here and the stock Intel GPU app on Beta, on an HD 4600, using the most recent driver (version, dated 4 August 2015), without encountering any problems at all.
3) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Weather Forecasts VIII & Wintry Weather! (Message 1759625)
Posted 11 days ago by Profile John Neale
Here in Johannesburg, our summer rainfall pattern has returned to something approaching normal, after a very hot and dry November, December and early part of January. We recorded a temperature of 38.9 °C earlier this month.

Right now, it's a mild, partly sunny 24 °C, with a 40 % chance of thunderstorms predicted for later today.

However, I will be travelling to Outokumpu in eastern Finland over the weekend for a three-week long business trip, and that will be the end of summer for me for a while!
4) Message boards : Number crunching : Lunatics Windows Installer v0.44 - new release for v8 (required upgrade) (Message 1758528)
Posted 15 days ago by Profile John Neale
Google chrome automatically flags it as an unsafe site as it says there isn't enough downloads from it to verify that it is safe.

Just have to tell it to ignore that and download anyway.

I experienced that yesterday, too. I was the third download of the 64-bit version.
5) Message boards : Number crunching : Your kooky computers (Message 1757966)
Posted 17 days ago by Profile John Neale
Have you set "If no work for selected applications is available, accept work from other applications?" to "no" in your SETI@home preferences?
6) Message boards : Number crunching : v7 WUs "Validation pending" (Message 1757458)
Posted 19 days ago by Profile John Neale
I hope you're correct. As I said, this program has never been able to keep my GPUs busy, so I've always run CPU tasks to keep my multiple, multi-core CPU systems busy, and the stuff that has been showing as pending is now getting quite old, and represents hundreds of CPU hours. I would be highly disappointed to find out that work was all for not.

I've estimated the total run time for the 17-odd SETI@home v7 tasks on your three machines that are either pending or inconclusive, and it comes to about 12 hours of computing time.

They will eventually be validated, but it could take many weeks, months even, for the last few to be processed and cleared. (SETI@home v6 took from 24 July to 7 December 2013 to decrease from 16,903 to 0 outstanding results. The last 1,000 results took from 31 August 2013 to clear.)
7) Message boards : Politics : The state of the global economy (Message 1757322)
Posted 20 days ago by Profile John Neale
As the last century has taught us:

Unfettered Capitalism is bad.

Intelligently Regulated Capitalism, with Strong Unions, is less bad.

Marxist Economies are worse than Capitalism.

Since The Left's Solution to Capitalism is, and has always been. an abject failure (Substituting one Corrupt Power for another Corrupt Power)...

Any 'New' solutions?

How about a social market economy? It's not new, though.
8) Message boards : Politics : Republic or Democracy? (Message 1757317)
Posted 20 days ago by Profile John Neale
[Bringing this Thread back on track...]

The US Government, under The Constitution, is a Republic:


John Witherspoon, signer - “Pure democracy cannot subsist long nor be carried far into the departments of state – it is very subject to caprice and the madness of popular rage.”

Zephaniah Swift, author of America’s first legal text - “It may generally be remarked that the more a government resembles a pure democracy the more they abound with disorder and confusion.”

Benjamin Rush, signer - “ a simple democracy … is one of the greatest of evils.”

John Quincy Adams - “The experience of all former ages had shown that of all human governments, democracy was the most unstable, fluctuating and short-lived.”

Noah Webster - “In democracy … there are commonly tumults and disorders … Therefore a pure democracy is generally a very bad government. It is often the most tyrannical government on earth.”

James Madison - “Democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and have, in general, been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths.”

John Adams - “Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide.”

Fisher Ames, author of the House language for the First Amendment - “A democracy is a volcano which conceals the fiery materials of its own destruction. These will produce an eruption and carry desolation in their way. The known propensity of a democracy is to licentiousness which the ambitious call, and the ignorant believe to be liberty !! NOTE … look at today’s sexual freedoms.

Gouverneur Morris, signer and penman of the Constitution - “We have seen the tumult of democracy terminate … as [it has] everywhere terminated, in despotism … Democracy! savage and wild. Thou who wouldst bring down the virtuous and wise to the level of folly and guilt.”

Samuel Adams – “… it does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people’s minds …”


As stated by the signers, we are governed by Rule of Law.


If democracy is disordered, confused, evil, unstable, fluctuating, short-lived, tumultuous, disordered, very bad, tyrannical, turbulent, contentious and licentious, why has it been one of the central tenets of the foreign policy of the United States for a very long time?
9) Message boards : Cafe SETI : This year is going by quickly! (Message 1755961)
Posted 25 days ago by Profile John Neale
Wow and all I ever relied on was my good looks.

And your famous spear, surely? ;)
10) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Legendary Artist David Bowie Dies at 69 (Message 1755632)
Posted 27 days ago by Profile John Neale
I drove home from work this afternoon with the car radio on full blast as the local radio station played Heroes followed by Starman, in an unscheduled and impromptu tribute to David Bowie. I needed windscreen wipers for my eyes.

David Bowie was one of the most innovative musical geniuses of all time. RIP, Mr Bowie.
11) Message boards : Politics : Another Mass Shooting in the U.S.A. (Message 1751383)
Posted 23 Dec 2015 by Profile John Neale
I am an outsider, but there's something that I just can't get my head around.

On the one hand, from what I observe - for example, by watching the Republican presidential debates - American political discourse (in some quarters, at least) seems to be dominated by the apparent threat of "Islamic fundamentalist jihadist terrorism" on American soil. The recent attack in California stands out as an example. Several politicians are calling for drastic measures to combat this perceived threat, with at least one calling for a ban on all Muslims from entering the USA.

On the other hand, again from what I observe, America is (and has been, for some time) suffering from fairly regular "mass shootings" that are in no way related to terrorism (although there have been some cases that are considered terrorism, but are not perpetrated by "Islamic fundamentalist jihadists") - attacks on abortion clinics spring to mind, as do some others that seem to have been perpetrated by mentally unsound individuals who gained access to deadly weapons. There have been a number of highly publicised cases of mass killings in the very recent past. My observation is that the numbers of people killed (and injured) in mass killings not related to "Islamic fundamentalist jihadist terrorism" exceeds by far the number of those killed and injured by "Islam-related" terrorism.

I also observe that those politicians who are calling the loudest for the Islamic terrorism threat to be dealt with, are also generally those who support America's current gun laws.

If my observations are correct, why aren't the Republican presidential debates being dominated by a discussion around ways to curb the spiraling incidence of non-Islamic-related mass killings that is afflicting the USA?

(Apologies for any spelling deficiencies; here in the former British colony of South Africa, our spelling of English is closely aligned with that used in the United Kingdom.)
12) Message boards : Politics : "Evil is Evil" (Message 1747627)
Posted 8 Dec 2015 by Profile John Neale
This subject is dealt with in exquisite allegory in Sir William Golding's novel, Lord of the Flies, published in 1954.

A few quotes that touch on this subject:

Civilization is hideously fragile... there’s not much between us and the Horrors underneath, just about a coat of varnish. -C.P. Snow

Civilization: a thin veneer over barbarianism. -John M. Shanahan

And my favourite:

There are many humorous things in the world; among them, the white man's notion that he is less savage than the other savages. -Mark Twain, Following the Equator
13) Message boards : Politics : existance of god (Message 1736394)
Posted 23 Oct 2015 by Profile John Neale

Or if you have a hard time with this...


...if one were able to understand the concept at all...


...never once having the wit to understand...


Once one understands...


One can only know God ... when one can reason...

So, practically speaking (and I'm an engineer, so I deal in nuts and bolts rather than abstract linguistic gymnastics), what use is any god if, as I suggest, around 98 % of human beings who have ever existed have not had the capacity, by your hurdle, to "know God"?
14) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Scammer Alert!!! Phone number 99999423575 (Message 1734853)
Posted 17 Oct 2015 by Profile John Neale
I've had such calls from "Microsoft in Calcutta" on a few occasions. (Yes, they even track us down here in southern Africa.) For amusement, I play along with them, pretending to be (and sounding like) a complete idiot. I pretend to be doing what they ask me to on my computer, deliberately taking a few wrong turns and making them go back to repeat some of the steps (just to rile them up and waste a bit more of their time). Once I've been suitably amused, I will typically drop the idiot act, inform them that they've been had, and that they're a bunch of #$%&@!* criminals. This usually leads to a shouting match, and I try to end the call when the caller is in mid-rant!
15) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (100) Server Problems? (Message 1730720)
Posted 1 Oct 2015 by Profile John Neale
I'm in Outokumpu, Finland at the moment, using the hotel's wi-fi. I cannot report results, and I also cannot access the BOINC website. I am not experiencing any problems with the SETI@home website. I experienced the same behaviour earlier in the day using the wi-fi where I'm working. Here are a few traceroute results:

Tracing route to [] over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 5 ms 2 ms 2 ms 192.168.XX.XXX
2 5 ms 3 ms 2 ms
3 33 ms 27 ms 96 ms
4 28 ms 66 ms 30 ms
5 35 ms 112 ms 59 ms []
6 71 ms 24 ms 99 ms []
7 144 ms 29 ms 110 ms
8 101 ms 60 ms 32 ms
9 262 ms 203 ms 201 ms []
10 * * * Request timed out.
11 * * 100 ms []
12 * 103 ms 109 ms []
13 * * * Request timed out.
14 305 ms 247 ms 214 ms []
15 * * * Request timed out.
16 * * * Request timed out.
17 203 ms 201 ms 201 ms []
18 207 ms 202 ms 241 ms []
19 * * * Request timed out.
20 308 ms 206 ms 212 ms []
21 291 ms 344 ms 219 ms []
22 225 ms 287 ms 290 ms []
23 279 ms 203 ms 203 ms t2-3.inr-202-reccev.Berkeley.EDU []
24 204 ms 285 ms 210 ms e3-47.inr-310-ewdc.Berkeley.EDU []
25 * * * Request timed out.
26 * * * Request timed out.
27 * * * Request timed out.
28 * * * Request timed out.
29 * * * Request timed out.
30 * * * Request timed out.

Trace complete.

Tracing route to [] over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 4 ms 2 ms 2 ms 192.168.XX.XXX
2 6 ms 2 ms 2 ms
3 123 ms 14 ms 15 ms
4 78 ms 30 ms 22 ms
5 63 ms 70 ms 110 ms []
6 59 ms 33 ms 23 ms []
7 49 ms 27 ms 27 ms
8 46 ms 30 ms 29 ms
9 199 ms 200 ms 324 ms []
10 * * * Request timed out.
11 * * * Request timed out.
12 * * * Request timed out.
13 107 ms 104 ms 97 ms []
14 298 ms 288 ms 297 ms []
15 * * * Request timed out.
16 * * * Request timed out.
17 207 ms 202 ms 203 ms []
18 214 ms 202 ms 253 ms []
19 * * * Request timed out.
20 200 ms 202 ms 351 ms []
21 334 ms 234 ms 259 ms []
22 274 ms 205 ms 204 ms []
23 204 ms 206 ms 203 ms t2-3.inr-202-reccev.Berkeley.EDU []
24 202 ms 202 ms 273 ms et3-47.inr-311-ewdc.Berkeley.EDU []
25 et3-47.inr-311-ewdc.Berkeley.EDU [] reports: Destination host unreachable.

Trace complete.

Tracing route to [] over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 4 ms 2 ms 1 ms 192.168.XX.XXX
2 4 ms 2 ms 7 ms
3 15 ms 15 ms 83 ms
4 133 ms 97 ms 104 ms
5 117 ms 104 ms 79 ms []
6 83 ms 24 ms 94 ms []
7 47 ms 93 ms 33 ms
8 * 129 ms 30 ms
9 218 ms 201 ms 344 ms []
10 169 ms 72 ms 55 ms []
11 59 ms 109 ms 55 ms []
12 * * 165 ms []
13 57 ms 122 ms 96 ms []
14 200 ms 201 ms 320 ms []
15 * * * Request timed out.
16 * * * Request timed out.
17 202 ms 200 ms 242 ms []
18 201 ms 303 ms 206 ms []
19 227 ms 305 ms 204 ms []
20 356 ms 204 ms 304 ms []
21 201 ms 204 ms 245 ms []
22 203 ms 253 ms 206 ms []
23 313 ms 226 ms 204 ms t2-3.inr-201-sut.Berkeley.EDU []
24 223 ms 227 ms 204 ms et3-48.inr-311-ewdc.Berkeley.EDU []
25 et3-48.inr-311-ewdc.Berkeley.EDU [] reports: Destination host unreachable.

Trace complete.
16) Message boards : Number crunching : hardware question and average work done.. (Message 1724175)
Posted 10 Sep 2015 by Profile John Neale
I do not recall the dates, but it must have been at least 3 or 4 times in the past year on two different computers.

Lunatics v0.43b for Windows was released to the public less than two months ago, on 23 July 2015.
17) Message boards : Politics : Damned hard to be a Christian these days.......... (Message 1701514)
Posted 14 Jul 2015 by Profile John Neale
Destroy, destruction ... those are strong, angry words.

Attempting the destruction of ideologues, whether they are secular, religious, left wing, right wing, or any combination thereof, strikes me as being an exercise in futility - much like a game of whack-a-mole. Which particular ideology is the "greater enemy" (and therefore, in your world, up for early obliteration) is a matter of subjective opinion - and your opinion is that it is a numbers game. Well, good luck with that. More moles to whack, I guess.

I think that Tim Lott's opinion piece published in The Guardian earlier this year, shortly after the Charlie Hebdo massacre in Paris, presents an interesting take on ideologues. Could it be said that proposing the destruction of "left wing/right wing secular ideology" is itself an ideology that has the potential to snuff out a few hundred million, perhaps even a couple of billion, people?
18) Message boards : Politics : Damned hard to be a Christian these days.......... (Message 1701425)
Posted 14 Jul 2015 by Profile John Neale
Meanwhile, in South Africa, the grand apartheid experiment and all of its institutionalised crime and oppression was underpinned, to a very large extent, by Christians and their beliefs. I know; I spent 30 years living through the apartheid years. The religious propaganda that the ruling Afrikaner nationalists spouted to support their evil system was nauseating.

"Christianity has evolved beyond what they did in the past?" Yeah, right.
19) Message boards : News : SETI@home World Visualization (Message 1669398)
Posted 24 Apr 2015 by Profile John Neale
Deceptive fiction...

Neither Greenbamk or LoFar provide data to SETI at this time. To tout this as a visualization of SETI traffic is farcical. Tell us when it actually is occurring. Also the sneaker net to Aericibo should be shown as well.

Ideally this connectivity would exist. It doesn't for now..

The graphic itself clearly states that "current data is (sic) entirely collected at Arecibo. We are working to include data from GBT and LOFAR". The map shows the location of GBT and LOFAR, but that is all. No deception; quite the opposite.
20) Message boards : Politics : Cricket 2 (Message 1654490)
Posted 19 Mar 2015 by Profile John Neale
Glenn, the impact that Kerry Packer and World Series Cricket had on the game is not in dispute, but to credit him with the invention of limited overs cricket is stretching things a tad. Read this.

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