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21) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows 10 - Yea or Nay? (Message 1761690)
Posted 12 days ago by Profile Ageless
My reality is that my PC is MY PC. I paid for the parts to build it, not M$.

But you paid only for a license of Windows, Microsoft can retract that license, or like they're doing here, they can change that license to a newer version.

Long or short, the Windows on your system is never yours, doesn't matter if you paid several hundreds of dollars for it, or only tens. It's always Microsoft's and thus they can do with it what they want.
22) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows 10 - Yea or Nay? (Message 1761661)
Posted 12 days ago by Profile Ageless
http://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft-starts-pushing-windows-10-as-a-recommended-update/

Microsoft is stepping up its Windows 10 push by making the OS a 'recommended' -- though not required -- update for Windows 7 and 8.1 users, beginning February 1.
23) Questions and Answers : Windows : Correct syntax in app_config for multiple WUs with opencl_intel_gpu_sah (Message 1761344)
Posted 13 days ago by Profile Ageless
http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Client_configuration#Application_configuration
It helps keeping things in line, don't make a mix of options.

<app_config> <app> <name>setiathome_v8</name> <gpu_versions> <gpu_usage>0.5</gpu_usage> <cpu_usage>0.04</cpu_usage> </gpu_versions> </app> </app_config>


or

<app_config> <app_version> <app_name>setiathome_v8</app_name> <plan_class>opencl_intel_gpu_sah</plan_class> <avg_ncpus>0.04</avg_ncpus> <ngpus>0.5</ngpus> </app_version> </app_config>


And else see https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=78929 or ask there further.
24) Questions and Answers : Windows : BOINC resetting after windows freeze up and reboot (Message 1761065)
Posted 14 days ago by Profile Ageless
Or problematic power supply?
Broken cable someplace that intermittently makes a short circuit?
A broken solder point on the motherboard?
Broken RAM?
A broken CPU?
A hot CPU?
A hot GPU?

Is this a desktop PC or a laptop/notebook/tablet?
How are you set up for cooling, of the individual hardware but also the case?

Just some ideas. All difficult but not impossible to test.
25) Questions and Answers : Macintosh : Haswell GPU (Message 1761063)
Posted 14 days ago by Profile Ageless
No, that driver version, or perhaps the 15.33.37.4242 version are considered sturdy on Windows and preferred over the version the OS installs. If you have that possibility, that is. I suspect you do not with OS X.
26) Message boards : Number crunching : Your kooky computers (Message 1760917)
Posted 14 days ago by Profile Ageless
I have seen my windows username appear in a Stderr output from a crash dump before..

On Windows that's usually because Windows symbols are being called. And if installed by Windows, they tend to live in a directory of the structure of C:\Users\Your name\*

I don't think there can be anything done about that, other than specifying where Windows should save the symbols to, or the app- or BOINC developer not calling on Windows symbols for his crash dumps. But then debugging becomes very difficult.
27) Questions and Answers : Macintosh : Haswell GPU (Message 1760910)
Posted 14 days ago by Profile Ageless
If you were on Windows, I'd tell you to change the Intel GPU driver as a couple of older ones fare better than the latest one. On OS X though... not sure.

Can you do a search for 10.18.10.3621 for Intel HD drivers for your version of OS X?
28) Questions and Answers : Unix/Linux : Upgraded to v8 today, no GPU apps being done (Message 1760906)
Posted 15 days ago by Profile Ageless
Have patience. There is no Linux Nvidia GPU application yet, not as a stock application and not as an optimized/third party application. It's still being tested over at Seti Beta.
29) Questions and Answers : Windows : V8 very slow & wrong time (Message 1760904)
Posted 15 days ago by Profile Ageless
My BOINC programs directory is installed on partition P:, half of my third physical 1TB hard drive. The Data directory is on my old but sturdy 500GB second drive, partition M:

So no, all that doesn't really matter in this.
30) Questions and Answers : Windows : why is v8 WU not computing (Message 1760902)
Posted 15 days ago by Profile Ageless
That is going to be difficult if we don't know what anti virus program you're using. It's not like all these developers have agreed to place the option in the same place and name it the same. Sadly so. ;-)
31) Message boards : Number crunching : Possibly preferences being ignored? (Message 1760901)
Posted 15 days ago by Profile Ageless
I have had a bit of a (slightly one sided) talk with David about this.

His answer to me is true, but a bit besides the point I was making. Haven't heard back yet on my latest proposal. ;-)
When a scheduler request asks for zero seconds of CPU, there are many possible reasons.
Project prefs are one.
Or the CPU queue might be full.
The scheduler request doesn't say what the cause is.
Not worth changing this.
32) Message boards : Number crunching : Your kooky computers (Message 1760899)
Posted 15 days ago by Profile Ageless
If a seti program crashes it can reveal your username by listing your user path in error report. I have seen that happen.

Most people who register here do so with the name they're using on their computer, as by default that's what the web site will look for and use. Only those that go into their account and edit other account info know they can change their forum and Account name.

Also, a lot of the error paths are from the system that compiled the science application, so in that case the path can give the application developer's name.
Or indeed if the user compiled the app themselves, their name.

It is true that BOINC writes certain log files to C:\Users\Windows account username\AppData\Roaming\BOINC\, but as far as I know that path is never shown in app crashes. BOINC crashes are registered in the stderrdae.txt log file that's written into the BOINC data directory, which on Windows XP and 2000 is written to C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\BOINC, and in Windows Vista through 10 to C:\Programdata\BOINC\, thus not giving a path with a username in it either.

Not saying it's not true, mind.
33) Message boards : Number crunching : Fastest available HDD (2016/Jan)? (Message 1760772)
Posted 15 days ago by Profile Ageless
And everyone continues to go on about SSDs in this thread, while Dirk asked what the fastest HDD is that he can use, because that's what he wants to use. Why does everyone still then feel the need to tell him otherwise?

If you were to ask what the best bike is and all of the rest told you that bikes are so passé, you should go and get yourself a moped, or better yet a motorcycle... what would you then do?

It's very nice that all of you with SSDs think they're the best thing since sliced cheese, but it isn't really an answer to what Dirk was asking, is it? Especially not since he told us that he doesn't trust SSDs, so what is the use then of everyone -aside from tullio and me- since Dirk's post trying to cram SSDs down his throat? It would be very nice if people were to read what the original poster's wishes were and answer to that instead of what they themselves would do in this situation.

The whole off-topic conversation about disk compression isn't helping much either.
34) Questions and Answers : Windows : why is v8 WU not computing (Message 1760699)
Posted 15 days ago by Profile Ageless
BOINC is the managing program, its version number is separate from the version number of any project's science applications.

Seti Multibeam is version 8, Seti Astropulse is version 7, Einstein runs application versions between 1.06 and 1.56, LHC Sixtrack runs versions 451.07 and 452.02
Just giving examples of science application version numbers.

All your work exits with error too many exit(0)s which can normally be attributed to anti virus blocking the work. Which AV program/suite do you use, and have you ever set up the BOINC data directory (C:\programdata\BOINC\) as an exclusive folder so that it isn't actively scanned by the AV?
35) Questions and Answers : Windows : V8 very slow & wrong time (Message 1760695)
Posted 15 days ago by Profile Ageless
Also, I just recieved a bunch of new tasks. 44 in all. (says 9 days worth)
i hope that is just an estimate or something is broken.
in my boinc tasks options i have selected
minimum work buffer = 2.00 days
additional work buffer= 3.00 days
that should be 5 days worth of tasks not 9.

The work request depends on a couple of things:
1. the amount of days in the minimum buffer settings.
2. the amount of days in the additional buffer settings.
3. the percentage for the host details of Fraction of time BOINC is running.
4. the percentage for While BOINC is running, fraction of time computing is allowed
5. the percentage for While is BOINC running, fraction of time GPU computing is allowed (if applicable and a GPU is being used).
6. the estimates that tasks have that they should run for and the correction that BOINC has calculated that should be put on them.

While min 2 + add 3 may be 5 days of work, the combination of all the above may cause BOINC to seemingly over fetch. I would wait it out.
Even when those 11 tasks have run, estimated run times are still being recalculated. You and BOINC have more of a good over view after running several hundreds of tasks.

And then, not all tasks are the same length. Low angle range tasks run longer, high angle range tasks run faster. How much slower or faster depends on your hardware, its capability to set back floating point operations. Any GPU will always be faster than a CPU, because the GPU uses all its internal cores to run the task, while the CPU only runs one task per one core.
36) Questions and Answers : Windows : Why only 12 Gflops? Am I using my GPU? (Message 1760525)
Posted 15 days ago by Profile Ageless
But today I was messing around with the new BOINC client 7.6.x and found a page that says I am maxing out at 12.43 Gflops

And this page is where?
Or did you look in the Event Log (CTRL+SHIFT+E in BOINC Manager)?

Also my HD 5870 is supposed to be rated at 2720 Gflops.

Peak GFlops.

Radeon HD 5870 with absolute latest drivers

That's not giving any information, as 'the absolute latest' from AMD are the Crimson drivers, they're at 15.12 now for recommended... but for your GPU it will be at max the Catalyst 15.7.1 drivers. Your HD5870 is not supported under Crimson. Which is why in situations like this it's always better for you to say which drivers you use, than it is for us to try to figure out.

Also, you have your computers hidden, which makes it more difficult to give advice on this. because we cannot see if you have GPU tasks in your tasks list, and whether they run fine, or are only throwing errors. Or that you aren't even running GPU work, just because you didn't select it in the project preferences. Or that the driver you run with on the GPU is too old.
37) Message boards : Number crunching : Possibly preferences being ignored? (Message 1760521)
Posted 15 days ago by Profile Ageless
Speedy wrote:
Do you still require me to send you Scheduler requests?

No, but thanks.

betreger wrote:
If the server - well, the database - already knows that the Boss says "no more CPU work", why does it have for the client to stop asking for work because the server told it to stop asking?

Local preferences?

Preferences on what to use are only available through the project preferences, not through the global or local preferences. There you can only set how to run BOINC, the project preferences dictate what you want to do calculations with.

Richard wrote:
Jord wrote:
It's as Richard said it would be, first need to have the reply from the server back in before the next work request will follow the preferences you set.

Which raises the question: why does the server have to wait until the client tells it back again what the server already knows?

I'll ask the developers. :)
38) Questions and Answers : Web site : status updates (Message 1760473)
Posted 16 days ago by Profile Ageless
Seti sends at maximum 100 tasks for CPU and 100 tasks for GPU, setting 10 days worth of work as a request can in situations like this get you no work. Try to lower your work request.

After running my cache empty earlier, I tried setting my old cache settings of 4 + 4.5 additional and got the answer from the server it didn't have work for me. That was because BOINC was asking for 716468.69 seconds worth of work (199 hours).
I lowered the work request to 1 days + 4.5 additional, and the next work request of 462856.77 seconds (128 hours) got me 25 tasks.

Setting 5+5 or 10+0 is just not going to work. Not with the task limits in place.
And those limits are per CPU and per GPU. Doesn't matter how many cores your CPU has, it'll get 100 max.
39) Message boards : Number crunching : Possibly preferences being ignored? (Message 1760460)
Posted 16 days ago by Profile Ageless
Setting project preferences, venue school to no longer use CPU, but continue to use the GPU.
Leave everything else as it is.

And then I had to do a rerun of CPU+GPU, because I forgot that the CPU was still saturated with the one task of work it had, and so on the next work request, BOINC only asked work for the GPU... I went for increasing my CPU to use two cores. What with the discarded 94 tasks that will eventual time out and be recorded as errors, it doesn't matter if I later abort and add a couple of tasks to that fray, does it now? ;-)

Waiting for the 5m 03s communication deferred back-off to time out.

Sched_request*.xml said:
<work_req_seconds>17280.000000</work_req_seconds> <cpu_req_secs>17280.000000</cpu_req_secs> <cpu_req_instances>1.000000</cpu_req_instances>


Third request for work, so this is with just GPU request work set on the preferences page:
29/01/2016 22:24:59 | | Resuming network activity
29/01/2016 22:24:59 | SETI@home | [fxd] starting upload, upload_offset -1
29/01/2016 22:24:59 | SETI@home | Started upload of 13oc15ad.18830.7838.9.36.94_1_0
29/01/2016 22:24:59 | SETI@home | [file_xfer] URL: http://setiboincdata.ssl.berkeley.edu/sah_cgi/file_upload_handler
29/01/2016 22:24:59 | SETI@home | [sched_op] Starting scheduler request
29/01/2016 22:24:59 | SETI@home | Sending scheduler request: To fetch work.
29/01/2016 22:24:59 | SETI@home | Reporting 1 completed tasks
29/01/2016 22:24:59 | SETI@home | Requesting new tasks for CPU and AMD/ATI GPU
29/01/2016 22:24:59 | SETI@home | [sched_op] CPU work request: 17280.00 seconds; 1.00 devices
29/01/2016 22:24:59 | SETI@home | [sched_op] AMD/ATI GPU work request: 17280.00 seconds; 1.00 devices
29/01/2016 22:25:01 | SETI@home | [file_xfer] http op done; retval 0 (Success)
29/01/2016 22:25:01 | SETI@home | [file_xfer] parsing upload response: <data_server_reply> <status>0</status> <file_size>0</file_size></data_server_reply>
29/01/2016 22:25:01 | SETI@home | [file_xfer] parsing status: 0
29/01/2016 22:25:01 | SETI@home | [fxd] starting upload, upload_offset 0
29/01/2016 22:25:02 | SETI@home | Scheduler request completed: got 3 new tasks

Sched_reply*.xml said:
<venue name="school"> <resource_share>800</resource_share> <no_cpu>1</no_cpu> <no_ati>0</no_ati> <no_cuda>1</no_cuda> <no_intel_gpu>1</no_intel_gpu>


It's as Richard said it would be, first need to have the reply from the server back in before the next work request will follow the preferences you set.
40) Message boards : Number crunching : Possibly preferences being ignored? (Message 1760456)
Posted 16 days ago by Profile Ageless
Second request for work:

29/01/2016 21:57:40 | | Resuming network activity
29/01/2016 21:57:40 | SETI@home | [sched_op] Starting scheduler request
29/01/2016 21:57:40 | SETI@home | Sending scheduler request: To fetch work.
29/01/2016 21:57:40 | SETI@home | Requesting new tasks for CPU and AMD/ATI GPU
29/01/2016 21:57:40 | SETI@home | [sched_op] CPU work request: 180.00 seconds; 1.00 devices
29/01/2016 21:57:40 | SETI@home | [sched_op] AMD/ATI GPU work request: 180.00 seconds; 1.00 devices
29/01/2016 21:57:45 | SETI@home | Scheduler request completed: got 2 new tasks
29/01/2016 21:57:45 | SETI@home | [sched_op] Server version 707
29/01/2016 21:57:45 | SETI@home | Project requested delay of 303 seconds
29/01/2016 21:57:45 | SETI@home | [task] result state=NEW for 14oc15ae.14467.8660.7.34.29_1 from handle_scheduler_reply
29/01/2016 21:57:45 | SETI@home | [task] result state=NEW for 07oc15aa.25926.24619.9.36.234.vlar_2 from handle_scheduler_reply
29/01/2016 21:57:45 | SETI@home | [sched_op] estimated total CPU task duration: 313018 seconds
29/01/2016 21:57:45 | SETI@home | [sched_op] estimated total AMD/ATI GPU task duration: 3460 seconds
29/01/2016 21:57:45 | SETI@home | [sched_op] Deferring communication for 00:05:03

Sched_request*.xml said:
<work_req_seconds>180.000000</work_req_seconds> <cpu_req_secs>180.000000</cpu_req_secs> <cpu_req_instances>1.000000</cpu_req_instances>


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