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21) Message boards : Number crunching : Why need 5 different stock AMD OpenCL GPU applications? (Message 1791263)
Posted 27 days ago by Profile Ageless
Raistmer wrote:
Strange you did not asked that question on 5 CUDA apps introduction

Why is that strange? I don't have an Nvidia GPU. Had you taken the time to read my post(s) you would've seen I have removed the anonymous platform file, reset the project and am now running some stock work on my AMD HD7870 only.
22) Message boards : Number crunching : Why need 5 different stock AMD OpenCL GPU applications? (Message 1791262)
Posted 27 days ago by Profile Ageless
Raistmer wrote:
there is some difference in app that each suits different hardware better

OpenCL applications run on any OpenCL capable piece of hardware, as long as there are drivers for it and it's recognized as OpenCL capable. Essentially, an OpenCL application for an Nvidia GPU should be able to run on an AMD GPU, on a multi-core CPU, on any non-GPU co-processor and anything else that's OpenCL capable. Or as the Wikipedia page about it says: "Open Computing Language (OpenCL) is a framework for writing programs that execute across heterogeneous platforms consisting of central processing units (CPUs), graphics processing units (GPUs), digital signal processors (DSPs), field-programmable gate arrays (FPGAs) and other processors or hardware accelerators. OpenCL specifies a programming language (based on C99) for programming these devices and application programming interfaces (APIs) to control the platform and execute programs on the compute devices. OpenCL provides a standard interface for parallel computing using task-based and data-based parallelism."

I hope you know what heterogeneous means.

If you so much want to suit all the different hardware better, then do so through the Lunatics optimized applications range, but leave it out of the stock applications.
23) Message boards : Number crunching : Why need 5 different stock AMD OpenCL GPU applications? (Message 1791261)
Posted 27 days ago by Profile Ageless
Answering in small bits, so Raistmer doesn't have to read big posts.

Raistmer wrote:
To answer question: you really need to get familiar with how BOINC selects app for performance.

Ageless wrote:
It's not just for my understanding, but also for total newbies, or people who do read here - and wonder about the same thing

Mere users don't really need to dive into the highly technical BOINC documentation to get an answer to their question.
24) Questions and Answers : Windows : boinc manager won't communicate (Message 1790938)
Posted 28 days ago by Profile Ageless
1. You did not allow boinc.exe and boincmgr.exe through your firewall. These two parts of BOINC need to be able to talk to each other on TCP port 31416. Usually putting boinc.exe and boincmgr.exe in your firewall's trusted zone fixes this. Just restart BOINC afterwards.

2. The client was stopped for whatever reason and only BOINC Manager was kept running. Exit BOINC Manager and restart it to see if this fixes your problem.

3. Another program has taken up port 31416. In this case you will have to figure out which program does this and exit it, then make sure that BOINC starts earlier than the other program.

4. You had a GPU of some brand in your PC, have since removed it, but didn't uninstall and clean out its drivers. Best do so, to get BOINC to work with you.
25) Message boards : Number crunching : Why need 5 different stock AMD OpenCL GPU applications? (Message 1790677)
Posted 29 days ago by Profile Ageless
Great, I put the question down, get 5 reactions of which 3 are a straight non-answer -including a snigger from the developer of these applications- one is someone with a moment of clarity and the other one is starting to give an explanation to then go off on a tangent about power users.

The question is simple: why is there a need for 5 (or 7) different applications on the same hardware resource? It's not just for my understanding, but also for total newbies, or people who do read here - and wonder about the same thing - but have till thus far been too afraid to ask, perhaps due to exactly this circumstance: you ask a question and get non-answers. Or you get totally unnecessary advice about running an optimized application, with no explanation on how to do that, or what to do when a new version of the Seti applications comes out. After which you have a 95% chance that your thread ends up in a pro and con fight over the use of power apps, credits, and which GPU brand is best.

So back to the problem at hand. An analogy:
You go to 7 different stores to do your shopping and instead of using just one bank-card between them to pay for everything, all stores prefer their own payment method and so you walk around with a minimum of 5 cards, a load of cache and a pile of coupons. Yes, not impossible, but completely insane.
Similarly, I don't see why one guppi needs to be done with the opencl_atiapu_sah app, then the next guppi with the opencl_ati5_sah app, then six MBs with the opencl_atiapu_sog app, one MB with the opencl_atiapu_sog_sah app, and two further MBs with the opencl_ati_sah app. I have an external HD7870 GPU, it's not an APU so I don't really need the ATIAPU apps. It's not a HD4xxx card, so I don't really need the *_ATI_* apps.

If this is due to that Seti doesn't strictly follow the plan_classes...
If this is due to Seti not being able to recognize the correct hardware versus the correct plan_class...
If this is due to there being no filter for specific GPU names per plan_class...
If this is due to the wide variety in hardware being available and the application not being able to switch internally to an older or newer OpenCL version, then say that.
(ever thought about adding a check in the app to see what OpenCL capability there is and switch internally to the right app? It means a bigger science application, but imo simpler, because you don't see the switching, and you don't have 5, 7 or 11 different application names to switch between.)

Now,
I understand that we need a SAH application (cat132) for the older HD46xx/48xx hardware.
I understand we need the ATI5 application to diverge from the above. But then ATI5 applications should be sent to minimum HD5xxx GPUs - which they aren't.
I understand we need the NOCAL application for the newer hardware that doesn't do CAL recognition anymore, a thing required by BOINC and most science applications (here and elsewhere) to be able to recognize that this is indeed an ATI GPU and something capable of OpenCL.

It would be nice if the above would follow the plan_class they were made for, but I have seen ATI5 apps being sent to HD4xxx GPUs and then erring.

The Sneezing on Grass (SoG) application versions, mwoh thus far I don't see the need for it. It's not running work faster than the ATIAPU, ATI, ATI5 or SAH/CAT132 applications, on guppi's it's more likely slower. The warmest my GPU gets is with the Stepping on Glass (SoG) applications, the coolest it stays with the various SAHs. A difference of as much as 10 degrees centigrade (71C with a fan speed of 70% (3,000rpm) versus 61C with a fan speed of 40% (1,740rpm)), so I prefer to run the lower apps over the Sniffing on Glue (SoG) apps anytime.

Here's a thought to clamp onto: there is talk about adding BOINC to the Apple Store, but Apple then requires that the BOINC Installer includes all possible science applications for all projects, because it does not allow applications in its store that download other applications. If the developers set this through, they wouldn't want to have to include 11 different stock Seti applications for the Mac only because there is a possibility that people run older hardware. They'd want one, maybe two applications per project's science range. Because with 50+ projects, you don't want people to download 750MB of installer including 60 applications per project.
26) Message boards : Number crunching : Why need 5 different stock AMD OpenCL GPU applications? (Message 1790372)
Posted 25 May 2016 by Profile Ageless
Since tonight I run stock Seti applications on my AMD HD7870, Windows 7 x64, Crimson 15.12 drivers.
Where BOINC for the first 6 tasks downloaded the v8.12 OpenCL ATIAPU SoG (opencl_atiapu_SoG) application, it's since gone and downloaded also the OpenCL ATI SAH (opencl_ati_cat132), OpenCL ATI5 SAH (opencl_ati5_cat132), OpenCL ATI5 SoG (opencl_ati5_SoG_cat132) and OpenCL ATIAPU SAH (opencl_atiapu_sah) applications. I don't really see the need why it should do so. It's running just normal MBs and Guppi VLARs, I guess just like everyone else.

The downside of this is of course that it now takes at least 5 times as long before my computer is being seen as trustworthy, because it now needs to do 5 times the '10 task minimum without error' validation rounds.

Seeing the applications page, there's probably two more applications I see that can be sent my way.
27) Message boards : Number crunching : SETI@home | Task postponed: Suspicious gaussian results, host needs reboot or maintenance (Message 1790121)
Posted 24 May 2016 by Profile Ageless
You haven't run enough work units to really tell what's going on.

Point of attention, I was trying to help, not running the work. I don't have a Mac. :)
28) Message boards : Number crunching : SETI@home | Task postponed: Suspicious gaussian results, host needs reboot or maintenance (Message 1790040)
Posted 24 May 2016 by Profile Ageless
For the attention of the developer(s) of the opencl_ati5_SoG_mac AMD GPU OpenCL application, this is what it returns on invalids:

Host: http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/show_host_detail.php?hostid=7962642

<core_client_version>7.6.22</core_client_version> <![CDATA[ <stderr_txt> OpenCL platform detected: Apple Number of OpenCL devices found : 1 BOINC assigns slot on device #0. Info: BOINC provided OpenCL device ID used Build features: SETI8 Non-graphics OpenCL USE_OPENCL_HD5xxx OCL_ZERO_COPY SIGNALS_ON_GPU OCL_CHIRP3 FFTW SSE3 64bit System: Darwin x86_64 Kernel: 15.5.0 CPU : Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-6700K CPU @ 4.00GHz GenuineIntel x86, Family 6 Model 94 Stepping 3 Features : FPU TSC PAE APIC MTRR MMX SSE SSE2 HT SSE3 SSSE3 SSE4.1 SSE4.2 AVX1.0 OpenCL-kernels filename : MultiBeam_Kernels_r3430.cl ar=0.470383 NumCfft=186671 NumGauss=1005077640 NumPulse=112911491163 NumTriplet=225881010637 Currently allocated 229 MB for GPU buffers In v_BaseLineSmooth: NumDataPoints=1048576, BoxCarLength=8192, NumPointsInChunk=32768 OS X optimized setiathome_v8 application Version info: SSE3x (Intel, Core 2-optimized v8-nographics) V5.13 by Alex Kan SSE3x OS X 64bit Build 3430 , Ported by : Raistmer, JDWhale, Urs Echternacht OpenCL version by Raistmer, r3430 AMD HD5 version by Raistmer Number of OpenCL platforms: 1 OpenCL Platform Name: Apple Number of devices: 1 Max compute units: 32 Max work group size: 256 Max clock frequency: 909Mhz Max memory allocation: 1073741824 Cache type: None Cache line size: 0 Cache size: 0 Global memory size: 4294967296 Constant buffer size: 65536 Max number of constant args: 8 Local memory type: Scratchpad Local memory size: 32768 Queue properties: Out-of-Order: No Name: AMD Radeon R9 M395X Compute Engine Vendor: AMD Driver version: 1.2 (Apr 26 2016 00:27:37) Version: OpenCL 1.2 Extensions: cl_APPLE_SetMemObjectDestructor cl_APPLE_ContextLoggingFunctions cl_APPLE_clut cl_APPLE_query_kernel_names cl_APPLE_gl_sharing cl_khr_gl_event cl_khr_global_int32_base_atomics cl_khr_global_int32_extended_atomics cl_khr_local_int32_base_atomics cl_khr_local_int32_extended_atomics cl_khr_byte_addressable_store cl_khr_image2d_from_buffer cl_khr_depth_images cl_APPLE_command_queue_priority cl_APPLE_command_queue_select_compute_units cl_khr_fp64 Work Unit Info: ............... Credit multiplier is : 2.85 WU true angle range is : 0.470383 Used GPU device parameters are: Number of compute units: 32 Single buffer allocation size: 128MB Total device global memory: 4096MB max WG size: 256 local mem type: Real LotOfMem path: yes LowPerformanceGPU path: no period_iterations_num=50 Gaussian: peak=5.100965, mean=0.3546413, ChiSq=1.105278, time=2.103e+05, d_freq=1419677677.15, score=3.860626, null_hyp=2.295059, chirp=0, fft_len=2k Gaussian: peak=5.100965, mean=0.3546413, ChiSq=1.105278, time=4.302e+05, d_freq=1419677677.15, score=3.860626, null_hyp=2.295059, chirp=0, fft_len=2k Gaussian: peak=5.100965, mean=0.3546413, ChiSq=1.105278, time=6.501e+05, d_freq=1419677677.15, score=3.860626, null_hyp=2.295059, chirp=0, fft_len=2k Gaussian: peak=5.100965, mean=0.3546413, ChiSq=1.105278, time=8.7e+05, d_freq=1419677677.15, score=3.860626, null_hyp=2.295059, chirp=0, fft_len=2k Gaussian: peak=5.100965, mean=0.3546413, ChiSq=1.105278, time=1.09e+06, d_freq=1419677677.15, score=3.860626, null_hyp=2.295059, chirp=0, fft_len=2k Gaussian: peak=5.100965, mean=0.3546413, ChiSq=1.105278, time=1.31e+06, d_freq=1419677677.15, score=3.860626, null_hyp=2.295059, chirp=0, fft_len=2k Gaussian: peak=5.100965, mean=0.3546413, ChiSq=1.105278, time=1.53e+06, d_freq=1419677677.15, score=3.860626, null_hyp=2.295059, chirp=0, fft_len=2k Gaussian: peak=5.100965, mean=0.3546413, ChiSq=1.105278, time=1.75e+06, d_freq=1419677677.15, score=3.860626, null_hyp=2.295059, chirp=0, fft_len=2k Gaussian: peak=5.100965, mean=0.3546413, ChiSq=1.105278, time=1.97e+06, d_freq=1419677677.15, score=3.860626, null_hyp=2.295059, chirp=0, fft_len=2k Gaussian: peak=5.100965, mean=0.3546413, ChiSq=1.105278, time=2.189e+06, d_freq=1419677677.15, score=3.860626, null_hyp=2.295059, chirp=0, fft_len=2k Gaussian: peak=5.100965, mean=0.3546413, ChiSq=1.105278, time=2.409e+06, d_freq=1419677677.15, score=3.860626, null_hyp=2.295059, chirp=0, fft_len=2k Gaussian: peak=5.100965, mean=0.3546413, ChiSq=1.105278, time=2.629e+06, d_freq=1419677677.15, score=3.860626, null_hyp=2.295059, chirp=0, fft_len=2k Gaussian: peak=5.100965, mean=0.3546413, ChiSq=1.105278, time=2.849e+06, d_freq=1419677677.15, score=3.860626, null_hyp=2.295059, chirp=0, fft_len=2k Gaussian: peak=5.100965, mean=0.3546413, ChiSq=1.105278, time=3.069e+06, d_freq=1419677677.15, score=3.860626, null_hyp=2.295059, chirp=0, fft_len=2k Gaussian: peak=5.100965, mean=0.3546413, ChiSq=1.105278, time=3.289e+06, d_freq=1419677677.15, score=3.860626, null_hyp=2.295059, chirp=0, fft_len=2k Gaussian: peak=5.100965, mean=0.3546413, ChiSq=1.105278, time=3.509e+06, d_freq=1419677677.15, score=3.860626, null_hyp=2.295059, chirp=0, fft_len=2k Gaussian: peak=5.100965, mean=0.3546413, ChiSq=1.105278, time=3.729e+06, d_freq=1419677677.15, score=3.860626, null_hyp=2.295059, chirp=0, fft_len=2k Gaussian: peak=5.100965, mean=0.3546413, ChiSq=1.105278, time=3.949e+06, d_freq=1419677677.15, score=3.860626, null_hyp=2.295059, chirp=0, fft_len=2k Gaussian: peak=5.100965, mean=0.3546413, ChiSq=1.105278, time=4.169e+06, d_freq=1419677677.15, score=3.860626, null_hyp=2.295059, chirp=0, fft_len=2k Gaussian: peak=5.100965, mean=0.3546413, ChiSq=1.105278, time=4.388e+06, d_freq=1419677677.15, score=3.860626, null_hyp=2.295059, chirp=0, fft_len=2k Gaussian: peak=5.100965, mean=0.3546413, ChiSq=1.105278, time=4.608e+06, d_freq=1419677677.15, score=3.860626, null_hyp=2.295059, chirp=0, fft_len=2k Gaussian: peak=5.100965, mean=0.3546413, ChiSq=1.105278, time=4.828e+06, d_freq=1419677677.15, score=3.860626, null_hyp=2.295059, chirp=0, fft_len=2k Gaussian: peak=5.100965, mean=0.3546413, ChiSq=1.105278, time=5.048e+06, d_freq=1419677677.15, score=3.860626, null_hyp=2.295059, chirp=0, fft_len=2k Gaussian: peak=5.100965, mean=0.3546413, ChiSq=1.105278, time=5.268e+06, d_freq=1419677677.15, score=3.860626, null_hyp=2.295059, chirp=0, fft_len=2k Gaussian: peak=5.100965, mean=0.3546413, ChiSq=1.105278, time=5.488e+06, d_freq=1419677677.15, score=3.860626, null_hyp=2.295059, chirp=0, fft_len=2k Gaussian: peak=5.100965, mean=0.3546413, ChiSq=1.105278, time=5.708e+06, d_freq=1419677677.15, score=3.860626, null_hyp=2.295059, chirp=0, fft_len=2k Gaussian: peak=5.100965, mean=0.3546413, ChiSq=1.105278, time=5.928e+06, d_freq=1419677677.15, score=3.860626, null_hyp=2.295059, chirp=0, fft_len=2k Gaussian: peak=5.100965, mean=0.3546413, ChiSq=1.105278, time=6.148e+06, d_freq=1419677677.15, score=3.860626, null_hyp=2.295059, chirp=0, fft_len=2k Gaussian: peak=5.100965, mean=0.3546413, ChiSq=1.105278, time=6.368e+06, d_freq=1419677677.15, score=3.860626, null_hyp=2.295059, chirp=0, fft_len=2k Autocorr: peak=18.43179, time=73.82, delay=2.63, d_freq=1419679888.29, chirp=29.178, fft_len=128k OpenCL queue synchronized SETI@Home Informational message -9 result_overflow NOTE: The number of results detected equals the storage space allocated. Best spike: peak=22.93343, time=87.24, d_freq=1419679887.7, chirp=12.331, fft_len=128k Best autocorr: peak=18.43179, time=73.82, delay=2.63, d_freq=1419679888.29, chirp=29.178, fft_len=128k Best gaussian: peak=5.100965, mean=0.3546413, ChiSq=1.105278, time=2.103e+05, d_freq=1419677677.15, score=3.860626, null_hyp=2.295059, chirp=0, fft_len=2k Best pulse: peak=1.374034, time=39.96, period=0.2771, d_freq=1419677733.43, score=0.9924, chirp=26.706, fft_len=64 Best triplet: peak=0, time=-2.121e+11, period=0, d_freq=0, chirp=0, fft_len=0 Flopcounter: 2745352304217.902344 Spike count: 0 Autocorr count: 1 Pulse count: 0 Triplet count: 0 Gaussian count: 29 Time cpu in use since last restart: 115.6 seconds Gaussian_transfer_not_needed total=0.0000E+00, N=0 , <>=0 , min=0 , max=0 Gaussian_transfer_needed total=0.0000E+00, N=0 , <>=0 , min=0 , max=0 Gaussian_skip1_no_peak total=0 , N=0 , <>=0 , min=0 , max=0 Gaussian_skip2_bad_group_peak total=0 , N=0 , <>=0 , min=0 , max=0 Gaussian_skip3_too_weak_peak total=0 , N=0 , <>=0 , min=0 , max=0 Gaussian_skip4_too_big_ChiSq total=0 , N=0 , <>=0 , min=0 , max=0 Gaussian_skip6_low_power total=0 , N=0 , <>=0 , min=0 , max=0 Gaussian_new_best total=1 , N=1 , <>=1 , min=1 , max=1 Gaussian_report total=29 , N=29 , <>=1 , min=1 , max=1 Gaussian_miss total=0 , N=0 , <>=0 , min=0 , max=0 PC_triplet_find_hit total=4.7450E+03, N=4745 , <>=1 , min=1 , max=1 PC_triplet_find_miss total=9.9000E+01, N=99 , <>=1 , min=1 , max=1 PC_pulse_find_hit total=2.4140E+03, N=2414 , <>=1 , min=1 , max=1 PC_pulse_find_miss total=6.0000E+00, N=6 , <>=1 , min=1 , max=1 PC_pulse_find_early_miss total=4.0000E+00, N=4 , <>=1 , min=1 , max=1 PC_pulse_find_2CPU total=1.0000E+00, N=1 , <>=1 , min=1 , max=1 PoT_transfer_not_needed total=4.7410E+03, N=4741 , <>=1 , min=1 , max=1 PoT_transfer_needed total=1.0400E+02, N=104 , <>=1 , min=1 , max=1 GPU device sync requested... ...GPU device synched 12:10:53 (1995): called boinc_finish(0) </stderr_txt> ]]>
29) Questions and Answers : GPU applications : Is my GPU too old for numer crunching? (Message 1789995)
Posted 24 May 2016 by Profile Ageless
Even the oldest Nvidia GPUs should still be able to get work, and do it albeit slowly. But since you have your computer hidden, you'll have to give the rest of the details on it:
- Operating system
- since you seem to have a laptop or notebook, what specific brand is it?
- where did you get the videocard driver from?
- Have you tried updating it from the Nvidia site? Or do you get an error then because of the proprietary brand laptop/notebook?
30) Message boards : Number crunching : SETI@home | Task postponed: Suspicious gaussian results, host needs reboot or maintenance (Message 1789992)
Posted 24 May 2016 by Profile Ageless
OK, I'll try to get the Mac developer of the Seti v8 application to come and look.

Do you know what driver you use for the AMD GPU?
Did you install it yourself from the AMD site, or is it included in your OS X?
Which OS X is this?
31) Message boards : Number crunching : SETI@home | Task postponed: Suspicious gaussian results, host needs reboot or maintenance (Message 1789784)
Posted 23 May 2016 by Profile Ageless
Did any of those tasks finish normally or in error? Or do they validate correctly?
Can you link to a result file? You have your computer(s) hidden so I cannot check whether you have errors or not.
32) Message boards : Number crunching : SETI@home | Task postponed: Suspicious gaussian results, host needs reboot or maintenance (Message 1789744)
Posted 23 May 2016 by Profile Ageless
Have you followed its advice, and rebooted?

When you have various tasks with dubious outcome, it's possible that something in the computer is wrong which could be corrected with a reboot. Think about a bit wrong in memory, or something stuck on the hard drive.
33) Questions and Answers : Unix/Linux : Raspberry Pi, Raspian Lite file open error (Message 1789019)
Posted 20 May 2016 by Profile Ageless
Ah, do know that the normal file size of the logs will only be 2MB, before they roll over to an *.old format. The next roll-over removes the first *.old and gets overwritten with the contents of the present log.

This is true for all log files, but in majority for the stdoutdae.txt and stderrdae.txt files.
34) Questions and Answers : Preferences : Talking about average credits again (Message 1788823)
Posted 19 May 2016 by Profile Ageless
Best chat with everyone else on that subject in https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=79418. Or read through that thread. Lots of info in it.
35) Questions and Answers : Unix/Linux : Raspberry Pi, Raspian Lite file open error (Message 1788821)
Posted 19 May 2016 by Profile Ageless
You can read through this thread which has the package maintainer for Ubuntu (amongst others) chiming in.

I don't think there is any fix for this for Raspbian Jessie Lite.
36) Questions and Answers : Unix/Linux : Boinc Manager (Message 1788820)
Posted 19 May 2016 by Profile Ageless
1. Make sure that the BOINC client binary is running before trying to run BOINC Manager. Under Linux starting BOINC Manager does not auto-start the client.
2. Make sure you added the BOINC binary and BOINC Manager binary through the firewall, that they are allowed to 'talk' to each other on TCP port 31416. The BOINC binary needs separate internet access on TCP ports 80 and 443.
3. Did you reinstall BOINC after you reinstalled the OS? Else it could be a simple permission problem.

Resetting the project will not fix any problems you have with BOINC Manager, as this is purely a graphical user interface that allows you to control the BOINC client, it has no interactions with the Seti project.
37) Questions and Answers : Unix/Linux : astropulse for centos/rh 6? (Message 1788808)
Posted 19 May 2016 by Profile Ageless
As long as your operating system is recognized as some version of Linux, you'll be sent the application automatically, but only when actual Astropulse are available. Which they aren't at the moment. And may not be for a long time, as they aren't split yet from the Breakthrough Listen data.

The admins on this project are thinking of trying out an Astropulse application on the BL data, but that isn't sure yet and it needs to be tested (at Seti Beta) first.

Whether or not APs are available can be gleaned from the Server status page, the Astropulse column should then show a number higher than zero for the Results ready to send.
38) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows 10 - Yea or Nay? (Message 1788476)
Posted 18 May 2016 by Profile Ageless
...how can we trust this to be legit?

{Shrug}

Then don't and don't update ever again if you feel you cannot trust MS, continue on with a crap broken Windows, and find that sites will start to actively block your computer because it cannot be trusted. Or just walk away and go the Linux tour.

These roll-up updates aren't necessarily for the users who update each Tuesday, but are more for those that clean install/reinstall/repair install their Windows 7 and and 8.1 and then have to sit through the multi-hour/multi-day ordeal of updating.

Look at the list of updates available in the present roll-up, you'll find it may only hold one update that adds telemetry for 7 and 8.1, but at the same time this is also an update for this part of the User Account Control (UAC) that may hang the whole computer.

It also contains the update for BitLocker can't encrypt drives because of service crashes in svchost.exe process in Windows 7 or Windows Server 2008 R2, which has a known issue:
Known issues in this update:
After you install update 3133977 on a Windows 7 x64-based system that includes an ASUS-based main board, the system does not start, and it generates a Secure Boot error on the ASUS BIOS screen. This problem occurs because ASUS allowed the main board to enable the Secure Boot process even though Windows 7 does not support this feature.


Having sat through a 4 day ordeal of updating Windows after repair installing it, I think it's a neat service. One I'll use on my new repair install to be done soon (got self-inflicted registry corruption that heavily impairs my right-click context menu and can only be fixed by reinstalling Windows).
39) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows 10 - Yea or Nay? (Message 1788457)
Posted 18 May 2016 by Profile Ageless
Microsoft reveals Convenience roll-up intention for Windows 7 SP1 and Windows 8.1 (as well as Windows Server 2008 R2 SP1, Windows Server 2012 and Windows Server 2012 R2).

Available only through the Microsoft Update Catalog - which till date still requires a working version of Internet Explorer, due to the requirement of ActiveX - it allows you to download all updates until April 2016 to be downloaded in one package. Each month following a new roll-up will be available with all the updates available till then.

These don't include all the Windows 10 nagware and telemetry updates. It'll cut your "waiting for the updates to show up and download" time down to the wait time for the package to download, which is dependent on your download speed.

We are making this change – shifting to rollup updates, to improve the reliability and quality of our updates.

These fixes will be available through Windows Update, WSUS, and SCCM as well as the Microsoft Update catalog. We hope this monthly rollup update simplifies your process of keeping Windows 7, and 8.1 up-to-date.


Edit: AskVG explains how to use the convenience roll-up and what the requirements are. They also have direct download links to the updates, without you requiring IE with ActiveX. They also show a list of the updates included in the roll-up, so you can check that it truly doesn't contain all the updates for GWX and telemetry.
40) Message boards : Number crunching : Average Credit Decreasing? (Message 1787871)
Posted 16 May 2016 by Profile Ageless
This is something I just put over in the credit discussion on the BOINC forums:

What I see is that people stare themselves blind on the recent average credit (RAC) and when it goes down, they panic, even while their credit is still going up.

So I am wondering if we shouldn't just do something about the RAC. With the present CreditNew RAC is being calculated all wrong anyway, so isn't it easiest then to get rid of RAC?

It is at the moment no longer a value that shows how well your computer has been doing over a set length of time. So either fix it so it again is showing the progress your computer makes over a set length of time, or don't use RAC.


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