Posts by Ageless

1) Message boards : Number crunching : For the betterment of BOINC (Message 1879409)
Posted 16 hours ago by Profile Ageless
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Fix Credit New.
That's something that you - everyone here - can work on.
BOINC hasn't been solely developed and programmed by three key people for 2 years now, it's being (re)designed, developed, programmed and released by us, the community. With community I mean everyone who runs BOINC, on their personal computers, on their mobile devices, on the project servers. Front-end, back-end, client, screen saver.

If you're still thinking that David should fix this, stop doing so. David has moved on and is developing the next thing that should make BOINC way easier to use. Although he still adds to code for BOINC, when squashing bugs, he isn't actively developing BOINC anymore. He won't go and fix CreditNew (which isn't new anymore, by the way). But if anyone in the community can do so, they should.

So in that respect, anyone here who knows what goes wrong?
Does he or she know how to fix it?
Can they run a late model BOINC server to test their fixes?
For prolonged time?
Tell them to head over to github and start adding to the code. They may have to ask around how to do things.
That's point 2 and 4 of the questionnaire, how easy is it to step in, do the coding, have it added, have it tested, have it actually run?
2) Questions and Answers : Web site : Work units not being delivered (Message 1879325)
Posted 1 day ago by Profile Ageless
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Not much you can do, but fingers crossed that at some point in between the "Resend lost results" option gets turned on, on the server, then you'll get all the work resent. Else just let it time out.
3) Questions and Answers : GPU applications : screen cut off (Message 1879245)
Posted 1 day ago by Profile Ageless
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Uninstalling BOINC & reinstalling it won't do anything else than remove the program from its directory and put it back.
Uninstalling BOINC does no damage to the data directory, everything in it will be kept in place.

As for your problem, tasks running on the CPU and GPU can add stress to the system, make everything slow. This can be alleviated by setting the preferences to only allow BOINC to run when the system is idle. This is the default setting for the GPU, but not for the CPU.
Also helpful could be to adjust how many CPU cores BOINC can use for calculations, when set to 50% on your system it will use 2 cores, leaving the other 2 free for everything else you do on your system.

If you still need any help on setting this up, let us know.
4) Message boards : Number crunching : For the betterment of BOINC (Message 1879241)
Posted 1 day ago by Profile Ageless
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Hi BOINC Community,

Last week Richard Haselgrove and I were asked to join a BOINC Work Group committee which researches how BOINC can be made more user friendly, easier for anyone to set up their own short- or long term project, and for the community to join in on those endeavours. The goal is to get more people to run BOINC, to join in coding all parts that make BOINC (client, manager, web site, forums, projects, etc.), to test everything, to get them to set up their own projects, to make BOINC a future-proof and reliable brand that isn't dependent on any one person in particular.

We do know this is a big order and it won't be solved in a couple of weeks. So we'll work in the background together with some key people from projects/code developers to get things started. Eventually we will need answers from you as well, probably on a lot of things. But we'll start slow with a couple of small questions:

1. If there is anything at all you can change in/withdraw from/add to BOINC, what would that be? While we don't exactly look for enhancements or bug squashing, you may just let out anything you think would put BOINC on the map. For example to add social media inside BOINC Manager, or have certain add-ons integrated into the client (I am making these up, they aren't on the list (yet)).

2. Would you like to contribute to making BOINC better, or program for it, or walk the source code, or do anything to help the project forward? What has held you back thus far?

3. We'd like to get into contact with people who programmed for BOINC, but no longer do. Can you PM me or Richard on this, or contact me via email? Especially if you're one of the people in the Volunteer Developers section here.

4. We also like to get into contact with people who now voluntarily program for BOINC. Can you tell us why you decided to work on BOINC, how difficult it was to get into and what we can do to increase your involvement?

With thanks for any answers you have,

Richard Haselgrove
Jord van der Elst
5) Questions and Answers : Windows : Message board moderation. (Message 1879237)
Posted 1 day ago by Profile Ageless
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He means the extra 's' in "posts". I already forwarded that to the back.
6) Questions and Answers : Windows : New version of Win10 not running BOINC (Message 1879035)
Posted 2 days ago by Profile Ageless
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Mujji wrote:
Same Problem
Solution already given: install update KB4020102, and if Windows Update doesn't have it, download and install from the Windows Update Catalog.
7) Questions and Answers : Wish list : I wish for a Lunatics installer that.... (Message 1878550)
Posted 5 days ago by Profile Ageless
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Having tested that, I see you're right.
So I've emailed Eric on that, as that should be changed back.

We're in the process of making BOINC more user friendly, more wanted by people. A screen saver that always works is one of the things that does that.
8) Message boards : Number crunching : Help with a non-booting machine (Message 1878383)
Posted 6 days ago by Profile Ageless
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When I had a black screen on my main system, it was due to the video driver not loading correctly. Waiting for over an hour it eventually showed the screen again. Since that time I had the problem with that videocard (ATI HD 6850) when I uninstalled the drivers, as then the black screen would be back. I could only install drivers in Safe Mode, as I couldn't see anything in normal mode.

You say it's three videocards in there?
I would try, in order:
1. Uninstall the videocard driver and reboot into Windows. If Windows works with its default videocard driver, you have found that it's the driver.
2. Switch the output to the monitor from the first to the second videocard. Or to the third. Or to the first. (depends on which one you've got the video out attached).
3. Check for and install newer drivers for the motherboard chipset.
4. Motherboard BIOS/UEFI update.
9) Message boards : Number crunching : BOINC Workshop 2017 (Message 1877993)
Posted 9 days ago by Profile Ageless
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Marius Millea wrote:
Hi everyone,

On behalf of the organizing committee, I want to extend a warm invitation to all members of the BOINC community to join us at the 2017 edition of the BOINC Workshop, taking place in Paris at the Institut d'Astrophysique de Paris this Sept 6-8. The workshop will be an opportunity to reflect on lessons learned from existing projects, to discuss the status of BOINC and the community, and to plan ahead for the future. For many of us, it will also be a great chance to meet in person and get to know our fellow collaborators and interested parties of this open source project.

There is no fee to attend, but you do need to register on the website below. Please do so at your earliest convenience if you would like to come. If you need an invitation to obtain travel documents to France, please don't hesitate to contact us.

Also feel free to circulate the following flyer around, or point others to the workshop page https://cern.ch/bw17



Hope to see many of you there!

Marius (Cosmology@Home admin)
10) Questions and Answers : Wish list : I wish for a Lunatics installer that.... (Message 1877874)
Posted 10 days ago by Profile Ageless
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Yes, well, you can add it to any part of the code of course. And perhaps for the CPU apps use the beta installer.
Mind, the graphics app isn't for Astropulse (I don't know, is that a different graphics app, or the same?)

And if you really can figure it out, you can always throw it in the forums, of course. :)
11) Questions and Answers : Wish list : I wish for a Lunatics installer that.... (Message 1877746)
Posted 11 days ago by Profile Ageless
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And I don't think setigraphics can work with the GPU apps
Why not? Just because it isn't being sent out with the GPU applications, doesn't mean it cannot work. Look at Einstein and WCG, where it does work on the GPU applications. That's just a choice the project makes. Here it's because a small group of users decide that it impacts too heavily on the GPU computing, and so it's not used.

OpenCL and OpenGL work perfectly fine together.
You can find videos on Youtube showing 3D graphics being calculated using OpenCL on the GPU, like in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mK0WW5BIDwI
12) Questions and Answers : Windows : Unable to connect to the core client (Message 1877742)
Posted 11 days ago by Profile Ageless
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Could there be a more fundamental reason to do with connection that is on the SETI@Home end?
The message about not being able to connect to the core client is done by BOINC Manager (the graphical user interface) when it can't make contact with the client that runs underneath.
BOINC consist of:
- a client called BOINC (boinc.exe) (which does all the communications with the projects, storing of tasks, scheduling when what task is being calculated upon, etc.)
- a graphical user interface called BOINC Manager (boincmgr.exe) (which allows you to easily command and control the client, without having to resort to the command line)
- a command line tool called BOINCCMD (boinccmd.exe) (which allows you to command and control the client from the command line, in case you cannot run BOINC Manager)
- a screen saver called BOINC.scr (which runs the built in screen saver when the project has no graphics application of its own, or the project screen saver when the project does have a graphics app of its own)

The message you had was that BOINC Manager could not connect to the client, which is usually caused by:
- the client (boinc.exe) not running. It can happen that for some reason the client is killed (user killed it, or an overzealous anti-virus/anti-malware program) Of course when the client isn't running, the manager cannot make contact with it.
-- Solution: exit BOINC Manager, wait up to 10 seconds, restart it. The manager should start the client. If it doesn't work, try a reboot of the system.
- neither the client, nor the manager having been cleared through the firewall. These parts of BOINC communicate with each other via remote procedure call, via TCP port 31416. If this port is blocked in the firewall, it means the parts of BOINC when run cannot communicate with each other, and you get the message.
-- Solution: add the client and manager to the firewall's inbound and outbound rules.
13) Questions and Answers : Wish list : I wish for a Lunatics installer that.... (Message 1877521)
Posted 13 days ago by Profile Ageless
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http://boinc2.ssl.berkeley.edu/sah/download_fanout/setigraphics_8.00_windows_intelx86.exe downloads the Seti graphics application.

For a short version of an app_info with this file in it, it will be something alike this:
<app_info>
    <app>
          <name>setiathome_v8</name>
    </app>
    <file_info>
          <name>MB8_win_x86_SSE2_OpenCL_ATi_HD5_r3557.exe</name>
          <executable/>
    </file_info>
	<file_info>
	  <name>setigraphics_8.00_windows_intelx86.exe</name>
	  <executable/>
	</file_info>
    <file_info>
          <name>libfftw3f-3-3-4_x86.dll</name>
	  <executable/>
    </file_info>
    <file_info>
 	  <name>MultiBeam_Kernels_r3557.cl</name>
    </file_info>
    <file_info>
 	  <name>mb_cmdline_win_x86_SSE2_OpenCL_ATi_HD5.txt</name>
    </file_info>
    <app_version>
          <app_name>setiathome_v8</app_name>
          <version_num>819</version_num>
          <platform>windows_x86_64</platform>
          <api_version>7.5.0</api_version>
          <avg_ncpus>0.04</avg_ncpus>
          <max_ncpus>0.2</max_ncpus>
          <plan_class>opencl_ati5_sah</plan_class>
	  <coproc>
              <type>ATI</type>
              <count>1</count>
          </coproc>
     <file_ref>
          <file_name>MB8_win_x86_SSE2_OpenCL_ATi_HD5_r3557.exe</file_name>
          <main_program/>
      </file_ref>
      <file_ref>
          <file_name>setigraphics_8.00_windows_intelx86.exe</file_name>
          <open_name>graphics_app</open_name>
      </file_ref>
      <file_ref>
          <file_name>libfftw3f-3-3-4_x86.dll</file_name>
      </file_ref>
      <file_ref>
          <file_name>MultiBeam_Kernels_r3557.cl</file_name>
      </file_ref>
      <file_ref>
          <file_name>mb_cmdline_win_x86_SSE2_OpenCL_ATi_HD5.txt</file_name>
          <open_name>mb_cmdline.txt</open_name>
      </file_ref>
    </app_version>
</app_info>
14) Questions and Answers : Wish list : I wish for a Lunatics installer that.... (Message 1877491)
Posted 13 days ago by Profile Ageless
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The CPU apps do support the graphics apps, they're just not included in the installer. With a little knowledge you can manually download the graphics application, save it in your BOINC data directory/Seti sub-directory and add it to the app_info.xml file by hand.

I'll check later, after dinner, how to download the graphics app by hand.
15) Questions and Answers : GPU applications : Remote Desktop (Message 1877489)
Posted 13 days ago by Profile Ageless
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BOINC will stop processing GPU tasks when it detects the RDP protocol. As far as I know, it will also continue after you turn RDP off, but it may be required to restart that BOINC to accomplish that.
16) Questions and Answers : Wish list : Auto-update clients when account e-amail changed (Message 1875295)
Posted 25 days ago by Profile Ageless
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Do I have to go to each client machine and change the account information on each one manually?
No. Your email address isn't propagated to the client. The client works solely with an account key. While the account uses the email address as the unique identifier, the account key won't change when you change the email address.

The only key that can undergo changes is the weak account key. This changes when you change the account's password, and therefore when you change the password you will need to change the weak account key on all devices that use it. Normally the strong account key is used. If you never manually edited any of the account_*.xml files to substitute the strong account key with the weak account key, you are still using the strong account key.

You can check your account keys at https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/weak_auth.php.
17) Questions and Answers : GPU applications : While I have plenty of cpu tasks, I have no Gpu tasks and its coming up on maintence tuesday? (Message 1873078)
Posted 15 Jun 2017 by Profile Ageless
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The resource share is a long term value, it will always take a while for the value changes to propagate. But the RS also shows which project to run next and for how long. When you had Seti set to 100 and the other projects to 1, (not percentages as there can only be 100% and not more), that meant that eventually the other projects would want to use the CPU for about as long as you had allowed Seti to run work.

You now set the values to 0%, which will mean that any work BOINC still has in cache for the projects at 0% will have to be done first, because they are now set to be 'emergency projects' only, where work is gotten from when the main project has no work.

With the estimated run time of the two GPUGrid tasks being over a day, it's no use for BOINC to try to get more work at this moment, as it's not even sure it can finish the tasks in cache by their individual deadline. And there's no use getting more work in, when the present work keeps the hardware occupied.
18) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (106) Server Problems? (Message 1872972)
Posted 14 Jun 2017 by Profile Ageless
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I was wondering why my cache was running empty, but I have one AP... which shows to run for 12h 23m. It's been quite a while since my BOINC ran AP, if ever at all on this new hostID & new GPU, so no wonder it thinks it's going to take long. Not the amount it thinks it's going to take, that's for sure. :)

edit: yep, it ran in 1,088 seconds.
Oh fun, it ran first on an Intel GPU, then on my AMD GPU but we didn't reach a good comparison, so now it's sent out to an Nvidia GPU.
19) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows 10 - Yea or Nay? (Message 1872874)
Posted 14 Jun 2017 by Profile Ageless
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Microsoft updates Windows XP, Windows Vista, Windows 8, and Windows Server 2003 which fix three remaining vulnerabilities built by the National Security Agency, which the company previously said it would not fix.. Available via here or Windows Update.

Or read the ZDNet article.
20) Questions and Answers : Getting started : Merge computer? (Message 1872736)
Posted 13 Jun 2017 by Profile Ageless
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There are a couple of things that make the possibility for merging skyrocket:
1. both hosts have the same name. If one of them is differently named in the OS, it can throw the chances for a successful merger.
2. the same hardware, and with that we mean the same CPU. GPUs aren't really counted, as far as I know, but even if they are, it's the same deal: the same brand helps. Meaning you can easily merge a computer with two wildly differing Intel CPUs, but not if one has an Intel CPU and the other an AMD CPU.
3. Operating system: when both have a form of Windows, they should easily merge. They won't merge if one has Windows and the other Linux.


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