Posts by ksnash

21) Message boards : Number crunching : Boinc officially DOS'd my network (Message 225537)
Posted 4 Jan 2006 by Profile ksnash
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I like normal mode and error mode.

Yes, we're well aware of that.

The goal is to never report work late. You'd be more unhappy if your results were routinely discarded because they were late.

Simple suggestion: set "connect every 'x' days" to one.

Please answer relevant question and not continue off topic. People at boinc don't like the truth. If the truth offends somebody let's call it something else.

So How do you cause only one computer to communicate with main servers and not cause DOS?
22) Message boards : Number crunching : Boinc officially DOS'd my network (Message 225532)
Posted 4 Jan 2006 by Profile ksnash
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An apology would be nice. Maybe a little help would be even nicer.

I guess no one is adult enough to apologize and I guess no one is expert enough to help with minor Boinc settings.
23) Message boards : Number crunching : Earliest Deadline First (Message 225529)
Posted 4 Jan 2006 by Profile ksnash
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OK, one more time.

The HIGHEST priority is getting work reported before deadline.

The LOWEST priority is keeping the CPU scheduler running round robin.

In between these two is honoring resource shares over the long term.

Basically if the work is getting reported before deadline and the resource shares are honored over the long term (max (computation time / resource fraction) for all projects), I don't believe that anyone really cares that a host stays in EDF for most of that time.


So let's just pick any old algorithm and who cares if what it says is correct or not. It is bad style to not be able to work in a standard operating mode. Everything that Boinc is supposed to aid is broken because everyone has to be held to a little rule you made up for dial up. There should be a cache setting. There should be a connect rate. WHEN MY COMPUTER IS NOT OVERCOMMITTED IT SHOULDN'T SAY SO. I WANT THREE DAYS OR WHATEVER I SET WORTH OF WORK ON COMPUTER ANd ONLY THAT AMOUNT. I DON'T WANT A RANDOM SET OF WORK UNITS AT ANY GIVEN TIME. I SHOULD KNOW OR PREDICT WHAT THE SCHEDULER IS GOING TO DO FOR ANY DATE IN FUTURE.
24) Message boards : Number crunching : Boinc officially DOS'd my network (Message 225519)
Posted 4 Jan 2006 by Profile ksnash
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An apology would be nice. Maybe a little help would be even nicer.
25) Message boards : Number crunching : Boinc officially DOS'd my network (Message 225514)
Posted 4 Jan 2006 by Profile ksnash
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Can any of these hatefull people focus on the correct thing and not attack from weeks or months ago.
26) Message boards : Number crunching : Boinc officially DOS'd my network (Message 225508)
Posted 4 Jan 2006 by Profile ksnash
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Correctly would mean that scheduler does not say something that is not true.

In other words, you don't like the word "overcommitted"....

I've been "stuck" in the same position many times over the past few decades: you want do describe things accurately, but you can't write a paragraph.

... and in many cases, you find one or two people who just won't let go of what they think you meant, no matter how many times you tell them.

So, as someone suggested elsewhere, you drop the terms "round-robin" and "EDF" and replace them with "mode 1" and "mode 2"


I like normal mode and error mode.
but that is not what this thread is for. Do you know how I can make it so only one computer caches work units for other computers and then that one computer returns the results. I guess the other question is why Boinc is not working correctly when trying to upload all the results at once. It goes only two deep the first two upload and go past 100% and then the next one starts while the other ones are still going.
27) Message boards : Number crunching : Boinc officially DOS'd my network (Message 225506)
Posted 4 Jan 2006 by Profile ksnash
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Oh I guess it might be broke. You want me to send you a jpg of an entire list of workunits uploading at once. They still are there when I had to suspend network access. Who is the troll around here. You can't say anything constructive. I already said I have a US Robotic 8514. It has 4 hardwire 100Mbit connections and the wireless can connect at 125Mbit/s. All the results were connecting at once. DSL connects at 1.5Mb.


As was said....Boinc limits the transfers to 2 at a time. You may have all of them saying "uploading" but in actuality only 2 at a time occur. Boinc will stay at "uploading" until a transfer fails then you get the backoff for that unit and it continues with the next. ONLY 2 at a time!

[edit] Jeesh....you really need to give the developers credit for some common sense![/edit]


It is also supposed to stop at 100% upload too I suppose. All of them were uploading else it wouldn't have had the result. Talk about people who make things fit their own world.
28) Message boards : Number crunching : Is it time for Seti Enhanced? (Message 225498)
Posted 4 Jan 2006 by Profile ksnash
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is there any free C/C++ compiler that can compile the source code?
such as DJGPP,mingw,etc..

thanks!!

I don't think setienhanced will stave off user overload too long. Computers are still getting faster and they did this a little bit before. They added more calculations.
29) Message boards : Number crunching : Boinc officially DOS'd my network (Message 225494)
Posted 4 Jan 2006 by Profile ksnash
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All it would take is a couple lines of code in short run to fix things. If(dialup_connection)
{
twice connect code
}

I have a suggestion: Why don't you e-mail the above to the devs since it won't do you any good here. You sound like a little boy who got a really neat toy for Christmas. You take it apart and mess around with it and can't get it back together, or get it to work anymore. You tell the maker "It's broke!", when in fact YOU broke it. (-:<

I didnt break anything. What part of attaching to project was incorrect? What part of Boinc managers not being able to connect on same network is my fault. What did I do wrong when I just connected and let the manager run until I could no longer access internet. What part of anything you said has anything to do with saying anything usefull. I have been running boinc for a couple years. You are too happy to support substandard program. All I have been doing is install connect and let it run.



I know what his problem is: It is a KTCI error. This is how it is fixed:

if(userid==30254)
{
format c:
}

Seriously, it sounds like he has a bad router. Since BOINC limits the number of uploads to a project to two in-process at any one time, and he has 5 computers, thats only a maximum of 10 uploads in progress at any one time. My router does not give me problems with BOINC even during HEAVY uploading/downloading use.

ksnash, your bad router giving you problems is certainly NOT the fault of either S@H or BOINC. Get your router fixed, or get a newer/better one. Quit trolling!



Oh I guess it might be broke. You want me to send you a jpg of an entire list of workunits uploading at once. They still are there when I had to suspend network access. Who is the troll around here. You can't say anything constructive. I already said I have a US Robotic 8514. It has 4 hardwire 100Mbit connections and the wireless can connect at 125Mbit/s. All the results were connecting at once. DSL connects at 1.5Mb.
30) Message boards : Number crunching : Boinc officially DOS'd my network (Message 225483)
Posted 4 Jan 2006 by Profile ksnash
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yada...yada...yada...You are too happy to support substandard program. yada...yada....yada....


It sounds as though there is NOTHING you do not know. Please....please....YOU give us a program that works! The source is available....fix it.....you know how certainly!





Short term fix put switch for dial up user. If not dial up don't do twice connect rate. Hey I bet you $50 that there won't be an overcommitted warning or need for EDF. Whoops that internet gambling thing. Probably contributing to the deliquency of minor.
Maybe you want to continue this in correct thread.

Causing a DOS condition isn't the sign of a very robust program.
31) Message boards : Number crunching : Earliest Deadline First (Message 225476)
Posted 4 Jan 2006 by Profile ksnash
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I see that somewhere between Dec 10th and Dec 13th you switched your Pentium M to crunch3rs stuff. you should have by now done enough so that the DCF would be close to accurate. This should have allowed you to download more work than you were accustomed to. I have in the past "suspended" a project that had work, and the next project then refilled my cache, and then I unsuspended my original project. I was then all set with 2x my cache. I got them done but it was close. did this sort of thing happen?


So Boinc doesn't like Pentium M's?
32) Message boards : Number crunching : Boinc officially DOS'd my network (Message 225471)
Posted 4 Jan 2006 by Profile ksnash
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All it would take is a couple lines of code in short run to fix things. If(dialup_connection)
{
twice connect code
}

I have a suggestion: Why don't you e-mail the above to the devs since it won't do you any good here. You sound like a little boy who got a really neat toy for Christmas. You take it apart and mess around with it and can't get it back together, or get it to work anymore. You tell the maker "It's broke!", when in fact YOU broke it. (-:<

I didnt break anything. What part of attaching to project was incorrect? What part of Boinc managers not being able to connect on same network is my fault. What did I do wrong when I just connected and let the manager run until I could no longer access internet. What part of anything you said has anything to do with saying anything usefull. I have been running boinc for a couple years. You are too happy to support substandard program. All I have been doing is install connect and let it run.
33) Message boards : Number crunching : Earliest Deadline First (Message 225461)
Posted 4 Jan 2006 by Profile ksnash
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Why does General Motor put a "check engine" light indicator on the dash, by golly, they should put one light for each condition "check PFE sensor", "check oil pressure", "check air filter", "EGR valve not opening", etc etc


I hate to tell you, but The Ford Windstar warnings are check oil, Time to replace filter. Its funny even with my Chevy Astro you can get the people at Autozone to hook up a little device and it tells you exactly where it is failing. There has been less oxygen sensor errors recently in newer cars because the computer automatically adjust the carberator so there is no excess oxygen for sensor to activate on.
34) Message boards : Number crunching : Earliest Deadline First (Message 225456)
Posted 4 Jan 2006 by Profile ksnash
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Yes, the proper use of terms is important. So let's make sure EVERYONE quits using the term "work unit" when it's really "result".

A WU is what seti splits from the Arecibo tape, the WU is then split into 4 copies and issued as a "Result" to each host. Then each result is returned to seti, validated and turn into a "Canonical result".

WE don't crunch Work Units, we crunch results.

Hows that for funky terminology???

OR

If Seti says "the uploads are failing" do they mean our downloads???


If they are results why are we working on them, we already have results. results are work answered.
35) Message boards : Number crunching : Earliest Deadline First (Message 225448)
Posted 4 Jan 2006 by Profile ksnash
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ksnash, how about just rereading the thread P@H has taken over my machine, or Can we please have control of what runs and when in which we already determined that the scheduler was doing what you set in your preferences. According to "Boincstats" you have done 56.2% CPDN, 22.8% Einstein and 20.9% seti.

Do we really need to retype the 300+ lines from the previous threads only to have you jump up and down and swear it's broke?

Posted twice for effect

Everything you said is useless. You keep saying it works correctly. When what it says is wrong. It is so nice you like to support substandard software.
36) Message boards : Number crunching : Boinc officially DOS'd my network (Message 225446)
Posted 4 Jan 2006 by Profile ksnash
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ksnash, how about just rereading the thread P@H has taken over my machine, or Can we please have control of what runs and when in which we already determined that the scheduler was doing what you set in your preferences. According to "Boincstats" you have done 56.2% CPDN, 22.8% Einstein and 20.9% seti.

Do we really need to retype the 300+ lines from the previous threads only to have you jump up and down and swear it's broke?


Ths thread has nothing to do with that subject. I just connected to setiathome on my other computers and I can't seem to upload correctly. The communication stayed in upload mode and Boinc software caused me to lose the ability to communicate out of my network. I had to turn off network access so My dsl connection was open again. It seems to bea problem with server side.
37) Message boards : Number crunching : Boinc officially DOS'd my network (Message 225441)
Posted 4 Jan 2006 by Profile ksnash
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All it would take is a couple lines of code in short run to fix things. If(dialup_connection)
{
twice connect code
}
38) Message boards : Number crunching : Boinc officially DOS'd my network (Message 225439)
Posted 4 Jan 2006 by Profile ksnash
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ksnash, how about just rereading the thread P@H has taken over my machine, or Can we please have control of what runs and when in which we already determined that the scheduler was doing what you set in your preferences. According to "Boincstats" you have done 56.2% CPDN, 22.8% Einstein and 20.9% seti.

Do we really need to retype the 300+ lines from the previous threads only to have you jump up and down and swear it's broke?


Does it or does it not say something that is WRONG. The computer is overcommitted. It is not. How about if UPS or FedEX uses your logic. They can just use a bat to move your packages. Your packages get to where they are going. Who cares there is a correct way that could be implemented, Your packages go to their destination.


39) Message boards : Number crunching : Boinc officially DOS'd my network (Message 225427)
Posted 4 Jan 2006 by Profile ksnash
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I had to dump two weeks of wu's and was losing my network recently because I just let the Boinc manager run.
40) Message boards : Number crunching : Boinc officially DOS'd my network (Message 225426)
Posted 4 Jan 2006 by Profile ksnash
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Correctly would mean that scheduler does not say something that is not true. scheduler says my computer is overcommitted. The computer is not overcommitted.
That is something incorrect. Letting the scheduler to continue to run on its own is the problem. I can't get the boincmanagers to connect. they will not see each other. It has to continually fix itself.


You spend too much time reading messages and then assuming that the messages explicitly and correctly reflect the true conditions and actions being taken.

My suggestions: (1) Stop reading the messages. (2) Note down your current credits on all projects. (3) Go away for 6 months. (4) Compare new credits on all projects with old. (5) Find that you have crunched all projects in the exact ratios you set - Despite all the errors and fairies at the bottom of the garden.



What occurrs in my statistics is not because of the scheduler, it is in spite of it. This is an open source project and people are supposed to mention what is incorrect. Your only response is it is too difficut to have a decent scheduler.


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