Posts by Angus

1) Message boards : Politics : Seti Help - Genuine Request or Political Shenigans? (Message 750415)
Posted 9 May 2008 by Profile Angus
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Here's what I am aware of:

setiforums@ssl.berkeley.edu -goes directly to the Admin-mods cannot see it and have no way to know who is answering it or when

setimods@ssl.berkeley.edu -The original email address for the Mods (Admin can view these if he/she chooses to do so). This now forwards to:

seti_moderators@ssl.berkeley.edu - The new email address for the Mods (again viewable by the Admin).

No info on Setiweb-I don't use it but I strongly suspect it forwards to the mod list

setiweb is the address all those charming mod notices come from. That is why people want to know if they can reply to it. It's a logical thing to ask...of course it is also understandable, considering that it is named 'setiweb' (see sarge's post below) that people might be suspicious of it. That youtube account was around before the email address.


I knew I had seen that address somewhere..
From: "SETI@home" <setiweb@ssl.berkeley.edu>
  Subject: SETI@home moderation notice


2) Message boards : Politics : Fun with Falling Prices!! (Message 750151)
Posted 8 May 2008 by Profile Angus
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There is no justifiable reason to promote prescription drugs to the general public.


The term "profit" makes that easily debatable and I'm quite sure each company knows exactly how many of "product A" they have to sell in order to justify the cost of manufacturing and advertising.

They should be advertised to the medical community who supposedly have the knowledge and training to know what needs to be prescribed, instead of having their patients come to them demanding to be prescribed something they heard about on TV.


But you've offered no proof as to how this adversely affects anyone or how your proposed advertisement restrictions would benefit anyone.

It directly affects the cost and delivery of medical office services.

Doctors have to spend their precious face time with patients explaining why they don't need the drug-of-the day, or why it's contra-indicated with their existing health conditions or medications.
3) Message boards : Politics : Seti Help - Genuine Request or Political Shenigans? (Message 750104)
Posted 8 May 2008 by Profile Angus
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What about this address: setiweb (AT) ssl.berkeley.edu> ... ?
Is that a legitimate address used by the GROUP of moderators? Please answer honestly. (A PM is acceptable.)


I don't know. That address was probably around before my time on the forum! The only honest I can give is "don't know" - but why does it matter anyway? - you have the correct addresses to use in the previous post.

I'll not answer the same question by PM if you don't mind. Don't want to wear my little fingers to the bone answering the same question over & over.


Most modern computer operating systems have features called "Copy" and "Paste".

Perhaps you need an upgrade?

:) (humor involved here - don't wig out)
4) Message boards : Politics : Seti Help - Genuine Request or Political Shenigans? (Message 749955)
Posted 8 May 2008 by Profile Angus
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We're just trying to figure out what the new plan is. It would help if those in charge would be more forthcoming about how things work today.



Who is "We"?

If you are specifically trying to contact the Admin then "be patient" is the only advice I can give. If your query to them is forum related then the correct address to use is the one that goes to the moderators - they are the ones who will deal with forum issues and the Admin may well ignore these enquiries for all I know. The moderators address is: seti_moderators@ssl.berkeley.edu


edit - wanted to add that I don't think things are finallised back here yet, hence no announcement has been made.


"We" who have asked these kinds of questions in this and the locked Volunteer Mods thread, and have either not been answered or have had the questioning posts hidden.

I first sent an email to setiforums on March 30, and others since then, and none have been acknowledged or answered. Hence my subjective opinion that the address is a "black hole".

Has the setimods@ssl.berkeley.edu been changed to seti_moderators@ssl.berkeley.edu ?
5) Message boards : Politics : Seti Help - Genuine Request or Political Shenigans? (Message 749944)
Posted 8 May 2008 by Profile Angus
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Perhaps the "SetiForums" user (current Admin) could respond to these queries instead of having the moderators speak for him/her .


I guess it depends on whether Admin have time to deal with forum issues as well as try to run the project? Maybe they are just too busy which is why they have appointed moderators to act on their behalf?


There have been a number of posts recently by mods telling people to email setiforums@ssl.berkeley.edu

If the emails are going to be ignored, what's the point of having the account?

We're just trying to figure out what the new plan is. It would help if those in charge would be more forthcoming about how things work today.
6) Message boards : Politics : Fun with Falling Prices!! (Message 749901)
Posted 8 May 2008 by Profile Angus
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The government(s) oughta put the brakes on brand-name drug advertising. One evening while I was washing the dishes during the national news I heard a three-minute - that's right- three minute ad about (I think it was but I don't care what it was) Celebrex. That's atrocious.

They are, in essence, required to by law.

They cannot just make their claims and then say, "talk to your doctor," in a normal 15 or 30 second spot. The gov't requires that they drone on about possible side effects which people generally ignore, just as they generally ignore the full page fact sheet following print ads.


Why do they NEED to advertise at all? If it's the right medication, the doctor should know about it and prescribe it.

The whole concept about getting the clueless public jazzed about the latest hot new drug so they will rush to their doctor and demand it is just mind-numbingly idiotic and should be outlawed.


They "need" to advertise for the same reason every other company trying to sell a product "needs" to advertise...competition.


There is no justifiable reason to promote prescription drugs to the general public. They should be advertised to the medical community who supposedly have the knowledge and training to know what needs to be prescribed, instead of having their patients come to them demanding to be prescribed something they heard about on TV.
7) Message boards : Politics : Seti Help - Genuine Request or Political Shenigans? (Message 749889)
Posted 8 May 2008 by Profile Angus
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Perhaps the "SetiForums" user (current Admin) could respond to these queries instead of having the moderators speak for him/her .

I would be deeply concerned if the seti forum address is going to the mods. It defeats the whole purpose of having it.

They don't go to the moderators unless you add the moderators email list to the address.


The moderators can "speak" in ways other than responding to emails.
8) Message boards : Politics : Seti Help - Genuine Request or Political Shenigans? (Message 749762)
Posted 8 May 2008 by Profile Angus
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Perhaps the "SetiForums" user (current Admin) could respond to these queries instead of having the moderators speak for him/her .
9) Message boards : Politics : Fun with Falling Prices!! (Message 749724)
Posted 8 May 2008 by Profile Angus
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The government(s) oughta put the brakes on brand-name drug advertising. One evening while I was washing the dishes during the national news I heard a three-minute - that's right- three minute ad about (I think it was but I don't care what it was) Celebrex. That's atrocious.

They are, in essence, required to by law.

They cannot just make their claims and then say, "talk to your doctor," in a normal 15 or 30 second spot. The gov't requires that they drone on about possible side effects which people generally ignore, just as they generally ignore the full page fact sheet following print ads.


Why do they NEED to advertise at all? If it's the right medication, the doctor should know about it and prescribe it.

The whole concept about getting the clueless public jazzed about the latest hot new drug so they will rush to their doctor and demand it is just mind-numbingly idiotic and should be outlawed.
10) Message boards : Politics : Volunteering As A Mod? (Message 748863)
Posted 6 May 2008 by Profile Angus
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Since the new whatevertheyare is anonymous, there is no way one would ever know who it is, or is not, at any given time.

So emailing Eric is just as good as any other method, and it might be him. So who knows?


Eric has said it is not him and he no longer is involved with the forums.


So does that mean the new admin (anonymin) has the ability to change the way mods are chosen, selected, blessed, vetted, or otherwise appointed without Eric's involvement or approval?

Maybe the new anonymin should make an appearance and answer these pressing questions :)

I believe that the mechanism for switching moderators and admins is set by the S@H team at berkeley, not by a single admin. There is one admin that is more active with the moderators, and is the point of contact for day to day stuff.


So is it correct to state that the current (non-Eric) admin is one of the SETI Berkeley staff, not an elevated mod?

Do the moderators have access to the setiforums@ssl.berkeley.edu email account?

Do the other admins not currently on forum duty have access to the setiforums@ssl.berkeley.edu email?
11) Message boards : Politics : Volunteering As A Mod? (Message 748817)
Posted 6 May 2008 by Profile Angus
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Since the new whatevertheyare is anonymous, there is no way one would ever know who it is, or is not, at any given time.

So emailing Eric is just as good as any other method, and it might be him. So who knows?


Eric has said it is not him and he no longer is involved with the forums.


So does that mean the new admin (anonymin) has the ability to change the way mods are chosen, selected, blessed, vetted, or otherwise appointed without Eric's involvement or approval?

Maybe the new anonymin should make an appearance and answer these pressing questions :)
12) Message boards : Politics : Volunteering As A Mod? (Message 748554)
Posted 5 May 2008 by Profile Angus
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Couldn't you just PM the new Forum Admin?


Why would the anonymous Forum Admin accept "friend" requests? It shows a lack of impartiality, or at least the appearance of it. Bad idea.
13) Message boards : Number crunching : One Reason Why People Are Leaving SETI (Message 748342)
Posted 5 May 2008 by Profile Angus
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Let the projects set the credits where they like, and the teams and individuals can compete within the projects, and the projects can compete for contributors however they like.

Ah, an Anarchist.
Cross Project Parity, like equality amongst people will never be possible. But it is worth striving for.


It's not worth wasting precious resources trying to get to an impossible place.
14) Message boards : Number crunching : One Reason Why People Are Leaving SETI (Message 748256)
Posted 4 May 2008 by Profile Angus
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It will only take a couple of projects ignoring CPP and David's powerless mandates to start a credit inflation that will render stats parity a pipedream.
As it should be.

Have you ever heard of hyper inflation? It's not desirable; so to say it's the way things should be is a rather strange outlook.


The point is that CPP is a hopeless fantasy, and all the talk in the world won't make it happen, and it's NOT ENFORCABLE!

Let the projects set the credits where they like, and the teams and individuals can compete within the projects, and the projects can compete for contributors however they like.


15) Message boards : Number crunching : One Reason Why People Are Leaving SETI (Message 748201)
Posted 4 May 2008 by Profile Angus
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WHY?

Scenario: -

I'm a project admin & devise a project where results provide some answers for mankind. The WU's are of a reasonable length & I decide to award 100 credits per wu. Crunchers flock to my project & after a short period, I get the credit debate on my forum. I delete said posts & state that crunchers either help the project or leave. I'm pretty sure that there are users out there who will crunch my project regardless.

On a regular basis, information is posted for all crunchers to see how well the project is doing. My project is well funded & secure.

CPP - 2B or Not 2B? That is the Question!

Why should I reduce my credits to keep in line with a project that has no real value to mankind & is totally unsupported & struggling to survive?


Excellent scenario.

Why would any project not want to use credits as an added incentive to attract users? Perhaps only those who run BOINC projects just for practice or development, but not doing any real science.

Other then appealing to a project admin's sense of fair play, what means does David Anderson & Co. have to enforce CPP? He can appeal to the stats collecting sites to not import stats for the "rogue" project, but again, what other means does he have to enforce their actions? None. He threw the BOINC platform out there into the open source world. What gets done with it is out of his control.

It will only take a couple of projects ignoring CPP and David's powerless mandates to start a credit inflation that will render stats parity a pipedream.
As it should be.


16) Message boards : Politics : A Hypothetical Question (Message 747727)
Posted 4 May 2008 by Profile Angus
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No one. There is no god.
17) Message boards : Cafe SETI : I'm baaaaaaaaaaaack......... (Message 747570)
Posted 3 May 2008 by Profile Angus
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oh.
18) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Watches....... (Message 736064)
Posted 8 Apr 2008 by Profile Angus
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Real watches don't have batteries, or any type of electronics.

Mechanical watches are marvels of micromachining. Just try overhauling a classic chronograph sometime.

For John, there's my Benrus Type II, or if you want more modern, the Seiko Orange Monster, or the Benrus homage based on a Seiko SKX009.

Standard daily wear is one of a handful of chronos - Omega Speedmaster, a sterile PVD'd 7750 chrono, or maybe the Heuer Autavia.
19) Message boards : Cafe SETI : So Long, Eric (Message 732680)
Posted 30 Mar 2008 by Profile Angus
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So be on your best behaviour if you want to avoid being singled out........


Would you care to expand upon that last point you made ?

I don't think it needs much clarification......
If someone is misbehaving in the learning stages of some of the newbies, they will no doubt tag that person as someone to keep an eye on.......
So be on your best behaviour.....

hmmm..and there was me thinking that something was finally going to be done about bias mods who abuse their position to victimise people they don't like for personal reasons.

I guess I am outta here if nothing is going to actually change but the names.

Won't know till the curtain rises.
Stick around.....see what shakes out.

I will not be the same old schtick, I am certain of that....

I only meant to say that if a few lurking in the background think that this change will give them carte blanch to behave badly, it ain't gonna happen...trust me on this.....

You have nothing to worry about if your recent demeanor holds up....

My demeanour has always been the same Mark...however...even a saint would lose their temper if they had to put up with what i have...and I never pretended to be a saint.

Nor I...LOL.....and I have surely proven otherwise on at least one occasion....
I am a timid soul most of the times......but don't get my dander up.....LOL.
We all have a bad day now and again.......
Let this change work it's way out.....I have offered to give up my mod tag willingly under this change....it does not diminish me nor my credibility as far as I am concerned, any more than I thought the mod tag gave me greater credibility......maybe more responsibility, but it made me no better than anybody else......and if the truth be told, I used the powers granted to me very seldom......

right. IBIWISI
20) Message boards : Politics : Interest falling away (Message 731207)
Posted 28 Mar 2008 by Profile Angus
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Why is this thread hidden away in "Politics" ?

This should be stickied at the top of NC.


Where are the posts by Eric, Matt and The Director (David Anderson) ?


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