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21) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Goodbye (Message 1437421)
Posted 293 days ago by Profile Sarge
Maybe I don't say thank you enough Donald, but I might miss the daily reminder to feed the Animals.
There is Spam and there is SPAM. It is a fine line.

An auto-locked thread could always be re-opened if the thread merits it. :)

Regarding the FreeKibbleKat thread, Thanks, Uli, Chris, and Robert for the kind words. I do seem to have inherited that one from Mark. When he went on time-out during the 1st iteration, I was one of several who were keeping it going until Mark returned, and there were occasional comments from others about the Trivia questions. Not so much any more. This thread is one of Mark's GOOD ones, and both the "banished user" and "7 consecutive posts" rules would have taken out that thread and the good it does. And requesting the Mods to unlock the Thread on a weekly basis seems an unneccesary pain in the rear. As KibbleKat II is now over 400 entries, I'm thinking about opening KibbleKat III under my own sponsorship, with some sort of acknowledgement to Mark, as we do with Beets and Rocky's.

Auto-hiding threads started by "banished" members seems to me a meat-axe solution where a scalpel would suffice - does potentially as much harm as good. SOME of those threads were good ones, with wide participation and enjoyment. Remember when Clayton had all his threads hidden, we were having some real fun in a couple of them, and that went away. And there is the "What are you watching on YouTube today" threads that many of us have posted to, or followed the links and enjoyed. If they don't already have it, I favor giving the Mods the ability to hide whole threads as well as individual posts for unacceptable content, but I think auto-locking "banished user" threads and "X Number of consecutive posts by the same user" goes too far.


Donald:

I used to read and post in the Cafe quite a bit more. Not so much, these days. My "home" here, so to speak, is this Politics and Non-SETI Science fora. Thus, my suggestions were based on recent and ongoing trends in those parts of the message boards. I hadn't even looked at the Kibble thread, though I like cats and in fact "rescued" a feral kitten a year-and-a-half ago. (She's quietly looking out a window right now.)

I seem to recall the auto-hiding of any threads started by banished users being tried at one point. If I am reading your response correctly, I take it you remember that happening as well? You may be right about an axe versus a scalpel. I don't know.

So, though I see no comments from mods on these ideas at the moment (but we have seen a former mod, James, comment), then perhaps if it were by some chance to go forward, maybe the rule could apply to certain fora?

Specifically:

Science (non-SETI)
Discussion of other Science Topics

Politics
Discussion of Political Topics

A thread started and only posted in by one person is not discussion (unless they like the look of their own type or have multiple personalities).
22) Message boards : Science (non-SETI) : Dark matter/Dark Energy (Message 1437417)
Posted 293 days ago by Profile Sarge
I think that there are far too many scientists that concoct theories to try to explain what they are observing. This formuala will work if we can find substance X, so lets go looking for X. Perhaps they should be taking the opposite approach. Let's use the LHC to find new particle and stuff, then lets see how they might fit into what we already know.

There is no one single "God Particle" there will be many of them, each one a piece of the unfinished jigsaw. Scientific journals have to make a living. I predict that the LHC over the next few years will find many new particles that change what we already know.


Darn that Leonhard Euler. Why did he spend his Sunday afternoons trying to walk the 7 Bridges of Koenigsberg? Who cares if it had a solution or not? Who cares if this started the field of study known as graph (network) theory? Who cares that it took 100 years or more to bear fruit via applications in such diverse areas as chemistry, scheduling, traffic flow and so on ... . He was just one of those far too many mathematicians trying to solve a silly riddle and concoct new areas of mathematics.
23) Message boards : Politics : ID = circular reasoning NOT= science (Message 1437400)
Posted 293 days ago by Profile Sarge
I'm still waiting to see 13 threads (including this 1, 12 otherwise) to be moved to a more appropriate forum category. ;-)

Cheers.


This thread is about science. The opening post, and Skil's just before yours, verify this.

I'm sorry, but I'll have to disagree with you there on this point, as this is more a debate on what the definition of science is, not science itself.

But please do notice my remark in brackets as I'm your side as well. ;-)

Cheers.


I do realize you are. However, there is nothing political about what science is.
If the "history of math" was not math, it would be taught in history or political science departments. So, why is taught in a math department? Because it is about math.
24) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Goodbye (Message 1437399)
Posted 293 days ago by Profile Sarge
Maybe I don't say thank you enough Donald, but I might miss the daily reminder to feed the Animals.
There is Spam and there is SPAM. It is a fine line.


An auto-locked thread could always be re-opened if the thread merits it. :)
25) Message boards : Politics : ID = circular reasoning NOT= science (Message 1437289)
Posted 293 days ago by Profile Sarge
I'm still waiting to see 13 threads (including this 1, 12 otherwise) to be moved to a more appropriate forum category. ;-)

Cheers.


This thread is about science. The opening post, and Skil's just before yours, verify this.
26) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Goodbye (Message 1437258)
Posted 293 days ago by Profile Sarge
The ignore feature would work a lot better if:

1) Rather than hiding the post of someone filtered, but providing the option to un-hide it, just make completely invisible, period. Also, do so for responses that quote the invisible post. (Whether the quote is in the post, use this whenever the quote button was used, where it shows what message number was being responded to.)
2) Make threads created by someone filtered, making it completely invisible as well.

Also, we have people who create threads for their vitriolic rants and raves, then proceed to be the only one posting in the thread. If a thread originator is the only posting in that thread for, say, 10 posts in a row, perhaps the thread should be auto-locked. Why should the S@H message boards be turned into niches for blogs?
27) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Having Fun RIGHT! (WFG: Mach III) (Message 1437169)
Posted 293 days ago by Profile Sarge
Saw that. Hope he accepts.
28) Message boards : Politics : We Are Family (Message 1437126)
Posted 293 days ago by Profile Sarge
Agreed Sarge. But there are also many people that should be banned but aren't.

+1


Many?
29) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Having Fun RIGHT! (WFG: Mach III) (Message 1437122)
Posted 293 days ago by Profile Sarge
I hereby dedicate this thread to WinterKnight, whatever his final decision may be.
30) Message boards : Politics : We Are Family (Message 1437120)
Posted 293 days ago by Profile Sarge
It seems that getting banned is no longer effective as it's becoming a 'badge of honour' so to speak.

It seems that no one is learning from the past. Give the project a good enough excuse and we'll all end up banned. That'll be a sad day indeed.


The "badge of hono(u)r" idea was discussed in 2006 or 2007.
I would have to disagree, at least in this current climate. We know who tends to get banned these days. Since people that tended to get banned before tend not to, or not at all, these days, I would have to say a lot of people have learned from the past. Those that get banned these days are clearly breaking rules and it cannot be a badge of honor if they have no cheering section.
31) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Having Fun RIGHT! (WFG: Mach III) (Message 1437107)
Posted 293 days ago by Profile Sarge
Guess it should have stayed having fun WRONG, eh?
32) Message boards : Politics : ID = circular reasoning NOT= science (Message 1437101)
Posted 293 days ago by Profile Sarge
Evolution is not the topic here.


Now you're using Saul Alinsky's, Rules for Radicals, Of means and ends, rule #4 against me.

Your very last line is a flame. You are trying to suggest I am a radical.


Looks like you're starting to get it. I was pointing out the Saul Alinsky rule I'm using against you. I'm the radical in this case, not you.

And now you're beginning to see that we're both radicals. Right?

The question remains, which one of us was the radical FIRST?

(Possible responses: Saul Alinsky's Rules For Radicals, On Tactics, Rules #2, #3, #5, #12 and #13. If it were anybody except you in here, I would expect rule #5. From you I'm expecting rule #12. Are you going to take the high road or the low road?)


I am not going to follow any of your perceived rules.
Evolution was not, is not and will not be the topic in here.
Neither will faith be the topic here.
33) Message boards : Politics : ID = circular reasoning NOT= science (Message 1437077)
Posted 294 days ago by Profile Sarge
And all I'm doing is pointing out that:

Evolution = circular reasoning NOT = science

You should recognize it for what it is.

(Saul Alinsky, Rules for Radicals, On Tactics, Rule #4)


You have not pointed out anything. If you had, you could defend it. You cannot.
Evolution is not the topic here.
Your very last line is a flame. You are trying to suggest I am a radical.
34) Message boards : Politics : ID = circular reasoning NOT= science (Message 1437070)
Posted 294 days ago by Profile Sarge
"the term irreducible complexity assumes both the hypothesis and only one possible, desired, [sic] conclusion". This is circular reasoning. Even if they were doing experiments, the initial setup is flawed.


Hmmm, hypothesis working towards one possible, desired conclusion...

Random chance or something (or someone) started it in motion.

You have to use doublespeak to explain doublespeak.


"Circular reasoning" is well-defined. You are engaging in baiting and sophistry.
"Random chance" and "something (or someone)" setting things in motion were not mentioned in the very first post of this thread. The flaw at the very core of I.D., circular reasoning, making it NOT science is the topic of this thread.
35) Message boards : Politics : ID = circular reasoning NOT= science (Message 1437062)
Posted 294 days ago by Profile Sarge
Well, there are still many people claiming evolution is not science either.


Evolution was not mentioned in the very first post of this thread.
One "claiming" evolution is not science would have to state the correct definition of what science is and then show how that field of study violates the long accepted tenets of what science is.

But if you look at the methods of science, you can see folks doing those steps in both evolution and in ID. They are just beginning to do those steps in ID. Why not allow them?


The term "irreducible complexity" assume both the hypothesis and the conclusion. This is circular reasoning. Just beginning? What experiments have they performed, as opposed to analyzing the research of others? Even if they performed experiments, if the base is flawed, they would be building a house of cards.
36) Message boards : Politics : ID = circular reasoning NOT= science (Message 1437059)
Posted 294 days ago by Profile Sarge
ID is a subject that is being riduculed [sic] by many right now.]/quote]

You will find no ridicule in the very first post.

[quote]A quick google turns up many famous scientists who started out as crazy people as described by their peers:

Galileo Galilei (The sun is the center?)
Robbert Goddard (space travel?)
Georg Ohm (linear equation for electricity?)
Karl Jansky (radio astronomy?)
James Lovelock (CFC's harming our atmosphere?)

All absolutely crazy ideas at the time. They must be wrong. It's so obvious they were wrong at the time.

Just to name a couple. They turned out to be right after some time and someone ELSE made their discoveries also.

Many, many times people have published ideas in science that were initially rejected by their peers simply because they went against the accepted wisdom of the time. These people submitted their work to journals only to have them repeatedly rejected with comments from the referees stating that the author simply could not be right.

Phillip Johnson (not a scientist), Michael Behe and William Dembski are unjustifiably getting the same treatment right now.


The rejection put forward in the very first post is not on the grounds of "that's just so different from what we currently accept that it can't be right!" nor on the grounds of faith, religion or lack thereof. The rejection put forward in the very first post of this thread is "the term irreducible complexity assumes both the hypothesis and only one possible, desired, conclusion". This is circular reasoning. Even if they were doing experiments, the initial setup is flawed.
37) Message boards : Politics : ID = circular reasoning NOT= science (Message 1437051)
Posted 294 days ago by Profile Sarge
I have yet to find 1 legitimate Science Organization through all my googling on a certain person's subjects that back there is any real science involved at all with intelligent design.

Intelligent design – a war on science.
The “War on Science” documentary showed that there is no real controversy within science about evolution. This battle is actually occurring in the non-scientific world – the courtrooms, school boards, politics and the battle for the hearts of minds of the non-scientific population. Robert T. Pennock, professor of history and philosophy of science at Michigan State University, USA, pointed out that “at its base [the creation/evolution debate] is about religion and it is about philosophy.”

Intelligent design/creationism may indeed be carrying out a war on science, but it is not a controversy within science. If anything it is a conflict within religion.

Cheers.


From what I can see, IDers do not perform experiments themselves, but "analyze" what researchers have published, looking for something that fits their conclusion.
38) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Goodbye (Message 1437046)
Posted 294 days ago by Profile Sarge
When I joined the project, I had no idea that the forums existed.
I was just going to allow SETI to run on my machine.

If postings are causing you grief, avoid the forums and just leave BOINC running in the background.


+1
39) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Goodbye (Message 1437041)
Posted 294 days ago by Profile Sarge
Life is tough out there in the big bad world so when one needs a good belly laugh, pop onto these forums.

I have only the one hypocrite filtered everyone else is free to spam me.

Oh and in case anyone is wondering, well you will be wrong, it is not Chris S.

Now there's a surprise.


Darn. It's not me, either.
40) Message boards : Politics : ID = circular reasoning NOT= science (Message 1437017)
Posted 294 days ago by Profile Sarge
PURE and REAL science. Undeniable. You must face it.


hmmmm, where and who have I seen similiar words from?


You might think it was from I.D. You'd be wrong, as I have defended what I have said, and succinctly.

Now, if you wish to truly discuss this, then point out, if you can, how I am wrong. I am pretty sure you cannot. Not because of your abilities or beliefs, but because deep down, you know I am correct. Return to topic.


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