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21) Message boards : Politics : Athelets and Celebrities anthem protests (Message 1819281)
Posted 5 days ago by Profile Sarge
betreger, I did not ASK anything in this post.
I said, and have continued to say, that there is no inherent connection between sporting events and observances of things related to the nation,
The singing of the national anthem appears to gave started (or at least became institutionalized) during dark times of war, when they had the opportunity to rouse patriotism at a time when a great multitude was present.

I agree there is no connection, my point is he used that platform to start a potentially useful dialog. If you don't get that your not as smart as I thought you were.


You grabbed that pic from 1 of 2 posters in this thread arguing against Kaspernick's protest. Respectfully, as far as I can tell, your argument is with Sirius B and qbit.
22) Message boards : Politics : Athelets and Celebrities anthem protests (Message 1819280)
Posted 5 days ago by Profile Sarge
Gary sarge what no comment about my Hunger Games post .

Your willing to use 1984 but reject the Hunger Games !! why is that I wonder


Glenn, what?!? People in Australia don't sleep? People in Australia don't have jobs? Of course, that's as ridiculous as your responses to me, because you aren't even addressing what I'm saying. Not by a long shot. As for "The Hnuger Games", I've read the 3 books many times and watched the movies many times. (The first movie was good, the remainder left too much out. They cut out many of the other redeemable characters from The Capitol.) Your comment about Katinss raising her arm has absolutely nothing to do with what I've said.
[b]I've said elsewhere that people are also taking offense to some of these athletes "taking a knee" during the anthem. Kneeling is recognized by many as a submission or deference, so how in the world anyone is taking offense to that is beyond me.[/i[


Gee, Glenn! You're right, we don't understand kneeling and none of us has talked about that.
23) Message boards : Politics : Athelets and Celebrities anthem protests (Message 1819274)
Posted 5 days ago by Profile Sarge
There's a time & place for everything.

Sports Arenas & Movie theatres are there to provide entertainment for the crowds/audience.

If they want to spout political bovine excrement, then they should use the Jeremy Kyle Show, Opfrah Show, social media or political conventions.


AS ENTERTAINMENT. there is NO connection to NATION. Such so-called connections are only now perceived as connections due to the weight of tradition.

If ANYTHING, at football games, they should pledge the flag of the state a team is from and sing its state's anthem. That's all it is: fake wars between teams from major states or major cities.

Seeing the pictures of the fallen and connecting it to sports is an absolute and complete disgrace to their memories.


betreger, I did not ASK anything in this post.
I said, and have continued to say, that there is no inherent connection between sporting events and observances of things related to the nation,
The singing of the national anthem appears to gave started (or at least became institutionalized) during dark times of war, when they had the opportunity to rouse patriotism at a time when a great multitude was present.
By the weight of tradition, this practice continues.
I said, essentially, that the trotting out of memes/pictures, by 2 here, of the dead and hurt is shameful to their memories. Since there is no inherent connection between sorting events and patriotic observances, as these 2 protest Kaspernick's protests, they plead to emotion while dragging along those that can longer speak for themselves. Dragged them into a conversation of which they should not even be a part. There is no inherent connection between sporting events and patriotic observances.

You've disagreed with something, but it's still not even clear to whom or what you're responding. My question to you was "How?" Because you seem to be saying there is a inherent connection between sporting events and patriotic events ... ?
24) Message boards : Politics : Athelets and Celebrities anthem protests (Message 1819249)
Posted 5 days ago by Profile Sarge
(Like we didn't see you type the Brit word for excrement with the i changed to y and then chastise me for my words.)

You now the rules just as well as me. For further clarification, question those in power.

If I could I wouldn't change the letters mentioned.



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Message 1660510 - Posted: 1 Apr 2015, 22:29:38 UTC

Just a reminder as there seems to be some confusion in the policy regarding swearing:

*) Swear words need to be self censored. (&%(^##^ is perfectlly accpetable as is f***, f**k, f-ing, and WTF. If you do not censor yourself, we will be forced to do it for you.


How many times have I even used such words here? 2 or 3 times in 11 years?
25) Message boards : Politics : Athelets and Celebrities anthem protests (Message 1819248)
Posted 5 days ago by Profile Sarge
Seeing the pictures of the fallen and connecting it to sports is an absolute and complete disgrace to their memories.
Sarge I disagree this picture says there is.
http://i.imgur.com/8S5zkBh.jpg


So, are you saying that because Kaspernick has protested one inequity or perceived inequity, all inequities or perceived inequities should be protested, all at once? Or, as you still have not answered, do you believe he should not be protesting at all? Don't go off on "grammar nazi" about the placement of the comma. You're still not being clear.

Sarge I am stating that the fact Kaspernick's protest has started a a much needed conversation that previous protests have failed to start. He apparently sees hypocrisy in pretending all is OK in this country as that picture of that destitute veteran shows it is not.


And why, cxactly, are you saying this in response to what I said? What do you think I said? Do you continue to think that?
26) Message boards : Politics : Athelets and Celebrities anthem protests (Message 1819234)
Posted 5 days ago by Profile Sarge
Seeing the pictures of the fallen and connecting it to sports is an absolute and complete disgrace to their memories.

Incorrect.

They fell to preserve freedom. That athlete & your statement dishonours that!

Yes, that athlete had the freedom to do what he did, but he did it in the wrong manner & the wrong place.

Those fallen also fell to give me that same freedom & I'm saying you're wrong.


B***s***. Read the article I linked, for one.
Two, how much do you want to bet few to one no one's thinking of the country or the military when they stand and sing the anthem. Just like not thinking about God when reciting/singing liturgy/hymns (particularly if in Latin, not understood).

So they fell to give you the freedom of speech while at the same time to quell the freedom of others - Is that what Yanks really think? Are they really full of bovine excrement?

BTW I've often attended sports stadiums & want to watch the game - not some greedy overpaid wally woofer making politic statements.


You call disagreement "quelling"? Really? Seriously?? (Like we didn't see you type the Brit word for excrement with the i changed to y and then chastise me for my words.)
27) Message boards : Politics : Athelets and Celebrities anthem protests (Message 1819229)
Posted 5 days ago by Profile Sarge
Seeing the pictures of the fallen and connecting it to sports is an absolute and complete disgrace to their memories.
Sarge I disagree this picture says there is.
http://i.imgur.com/8S5zkBh.jpg


So, are you saying that because Kaspernick has protested one inequity or perceived inequity, all inequities or perceived inequities should be protested, all at once? Or, as you still have not answered, do you believe he should not be protesting at all? Don't go off on "grammar nazi" about the placement of the comma. You're still not being clear.
28) Message boards : Politics : Athelets and Celebrities anthem protests (Message 1819211)
Posted 5 days ago by Profile Sarge
I Don't Want To Stand when National Anthem is Sang/Played. I Don't Go to any Event for Purpose of Standing and Listening to National Anthem.

Most People Look Ridiculous during Anthem. Embarrassing to Witness.

I Don't Want to Give A Few Minutes of My Time, Stand, and NOT CARING at This Moment about PAST, PRESENT and FUTURE SACRIFICES.

I'll Care or Not Care, when I Want To.

Because Some People BELIEVE INTENSELY, I Should Stand/Participate in Anthem, is, for me, A Great Reason Not To.

Were My GrandDad, Father and Me a Vet? Yes. SO F**king What.

Leave Me Alone World. F**K Off.

F**King Yap, Man.

Heh, finally I can put a big +1 to one of your posts. I couldn't agree more.


+2
29) Message boards : Politics : Athelets and Celebrities anthem protests (Message 1819201)
Posted 5 days ago by Profile Sarge
+1

As Ozzfan stated, everyone has the right of self expression & to protest as those rights were earned the hard way.

To see one person's opinion lambasted as b***s*** & by a teacher no less, speaks volumes.


No, it doesn't.
Call a spade a spade.
I could be wrong, but I don't think Ozs is in agreement with you.
30) Message boards : Politics : Athelets and Celebrities anthem protests (Message 1819200)
Posted 5 days ago by Profile Sarge
My view is that we are the freest nation on Earth,


Good, I salute you. I also request that you check again on
the freedom thingy, Freedom comes in many shapes and flavours.
I could go into the definitions stuff, but I believe we all know
where we stand on such things.


That's great that you can pick and choose areas where you believe you are freer than us. How about taking my comments within context of the discussion? Nah, let's just take exception to individual statements and disregard the context with which they're given! /s That is to say: do you believe a symbol or gesture should be held in higher regard than one's right to self expression and even protest?


And if I'm correct that many pledge, recite and sing by rote, are they even thinking of the symbol?
31) Message boards : Politics : Athelets and Celebrities anthem protests (Message 1819198)
Posted 5 days ago by Profile Sarge
Gary sarge what no comment about my Hunger Games post .

Your willing to use 1984 but reject the Hunger Games !! why is that I wonder


Glenn, what?!? People in Australia don't sleep? People in Australia don't have jobs? Of course, that's as ridiculous as your responses to me, because you aren't even addressing what I'm saying. Not by a long shot. As for "The Hnuger Games", I've read the 3 books many times and watched the movies many times. (The first movie was good, the remainder left too much out. They cut out many of the other redeemable characters from The Capitol.) Your comment about Katinss raising her arm has absolutely nothing to do with what I've said.
I've said elsewhere that people are also taking offense to some of these athletes "taking a knee" during the anthem. Kneeling is recognized by many as a submission or deference, so how in the world anyone is taking offense to that is beyond me.
32) Message boards : Politics : Athelets and Celebrities anthem protests (Message 1819193)
Posted 5 days ago by Profile Sarge
sarge that is one hell of a leap .
To associate 1984 with 1 sportsman holding his fist up in protest

It's also a good example of why we in the Colony's laugh at you lot

You all ways go to the extreme left when it comes to Freedom but the extreme right is ok hence 60,000 direct deaths from guns . To blind to see the problem .

Because to do away with guns is to infringe on your rights .what about the right not to get shot ?


It is no leap.
What is in the mind of a person when they pledge the flag?
What is in the mind of a person when they rise and sing the national anthem?
Are they thinking of their country? Any of the good? Any of the bad?
What is in the mind of a person when, at church, reciting liturgy or singing hymns? Are they thinking of God?
Or are they performing things by rote? Trying to make sure they look good and proper in front of their peers?
Has anybody read the article from ESPN of why we have the national anthem at sporting events? I browsed parts of it. I'll bet some of the reasons no longer apply or or were bad reasons in the first place.
Again: what place does singing the national anthem have at sporting events??? And if it has a place, then why isn't it required at every entertainment event? Or reciting the pledge to the flag? Or either of these whenever 2 US citizens have gathered???
33) Message boards : Politics : Athelets and Celebrities anthem protests (Message 1819191)
Posted 5 days ago by Profile Sarge
sarge that is one hell of a leap .
To associate 1984 with 1 sportsman holding his fist up in protest

It's also a good example of why we in the Colony's laugh at you lot

You all ways go to the extreme left when it comes to Freedom but the extreme right is ok hence 60,000 direct deaths from guns . To blind to see the problem .

Because to do away with guns is to infringe on your rights .what about the right not to get shot ?


This also addresses nothing of what I said.
Not one bit.
34) Message boards : Politics : Athelets and Celebrities anthem protests (Message 1819190)
Posted 5 days ago by Profile Sarge

The latter, which has nothing to do with the Nation. They're whipped into a frenzy. Just like Winston and Julia were against whomever Big Brother said they were currently at war against.

So using a sports arena to incite war & political statements is okay then.

Gordon Bennett, what are you teaching your students?


This addresses nothing of what I said.
Don't blame it on the teacher. You like to use that ATTACK.
Number one, I don't teach history or politics.
Number two, you attempt to absolve yourself of any responsibility as a "student".
35) Message boards : Politics : Athelets and Celebrities anthem protests (Message 1819189)
Posted 5 days ago by Profile Sarge
36) Message boards : Politics : Athelets and Celebrities anthem protests (Message 1819065)
Posted 6 days ago by Profile Sarge
You're stiiillllll not reeeading!

So clarify, after all you are a teacher & your pupil does not understand.

how much do you want to bet few to one no one's thinking of the country or the military when they stand and sing the anthem.

So what are they thinking of? Some wally woofer going to make a political statement or their team ready to kick some ass?


The latter, which has nothing to do with the Nation. They're whipped into a frenzy. Just like Winston and Julia were against whomever Big Brother said they were currently at war against.

37) Message boards : Politics : Athelets and Celebrities anthem protests (Message 1819059)
Posted 6 days ago by Profile Sarge
Next thing you know, you Borg will be demanding we pledge the flag and sing the anthem before a movie. Then, whenever 2 or more US citizens are gathered.
38) Message boards : Politics : Athelets and Celebrities anthem protests (Message 1819058)
Posted 6 days ago by Profile Sarge
Seeing the pictures of the fallen and connecting it to sports is an absolute and complete disgrace to their memories.

Incorrect.

They fell to preserve freedom. That athlete & your statement dishonours that!

Yes, that athlete had the freedom to do what he did, but he did it in the wrong manner & the wrong place.

Those fallen also fell to give me that same freedom & I'm saying you're wrong.


B***s***. Read the article I linked, for one.
Two, how much do you want to bet few to one no one's thinking of the country or the military when they stand and sing the anthem. Just like not thinking about God when reciting/singing liturgy/hymns (particularly if in Latin, not understood).

So they fell to give you the freedom of speech while at the same time to quell the freedom of others - Is that what Yanks really think? Are they really full of bovine excrement?

BTW I've often attended sports stadiums & want to watch the game - not some greedy overpaid wally woofer making politic statements.


You're stiiillllll not reeeading!
39) Message boards : Politics : Athelets and Celebrities anthem protests (Message 1819046)
Posted 6 days ago by Profile Sarge
Seeing the pictures of the fallen and connecting it to sports is an absolute and complete disgrace to their memories.

Incorrect.

They fell to preserve freedom. That athlete & your statement dishonours that!

Yes, that athlete had the freedom to do what he did, but he did it in the wrong manner & the wrong place.

Those fallen also fell to give me that same freedom & I'm saying you're wrong.


B***s***. Read the article I linked, for one.
Two, how much do you want to bet few to one no one's thinking of the country or the military when they stand and sing the anthem. Just like not thinking about God when reciting/singing liturgy/hymns (particularly if in Latin, not understood).
40) Message boards : Politics : Athelets and Celebrities anthem protests (Message 1819040)
Posted 6 days ago by Profile Sarge
I did reread your post and I disagree there is a connection.


So, you agree there is no connection? The lack of the comma suggests this. If otherwise, you have not given sufficient reason. Ozz's post is a good reference. Another is:

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/garcia-time-put-national-anthem-sporting-events-article-1.2647068.


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