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21) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Tim Hunt/Captain Avatar (Message 1650066)
Posted 20 days ago by Profile Sarge
RIP Tim my friend. As long as I have my Fruit Bat avatar I will remember you.

He made a pic of my face set on Worf's neck. Now that I nearly have the hair length, it would work better. I have no idea where that old file might be hiding.
22) Message boards : Politics : Absolute Power (Message 1650021)
Posted 21 days ago by Profile Sarge
If an experiment cannot be replicated, under the same/similar conditions, with the same/similar result(s), it's rejected or retracted. I'd go so far as to say possibly unscientific.

Psychologists and sociologists have worked hard to be careful about this, even when applying quantitative research, looking for events that can be triangulated to make qualitative research a scientifically based method as well.

The problem with replicating Zimbardo's research now would be that is has been well-publicized. Besides the problem with participants knowing they're part of an experiment, now, they'd even know the expected results!

The brake light issue is a side-note, so please do not spend too much time on it.
Nonetheless, I will say I will look up the reference to what was said in my textbook.
The point was novelty also has an effect on experiments which may lead to things that will not occur in everyday life.
As for it being the norm, Gary, I'd saying it is becoming more and more of a norm. Decades ago, when we had the national speed limit of 55 mph, it was simple physics. Leave 4 seconds worth of space between. Now, we have people who think they heard 2 or 3 seconds from their high school driver education teachers, or want to believe that, or idiot driver ed teachers. Plus, the drivers who just don't care and act as selfish maniacs.

P.S.-even if there are no flaws to ZImbardo's research, he's not a god.
23) Message boards : Politics : Absolute Power (Message 1649936)
Posted 21 days ago by Profile Sarge
http://www.apa.org/research/action/brake.aspx

Flashing lights, honking horns, meandering pedestrians, fighting kids in the back seat — a driver's attention is spread thin, which is one reason car accidents are so commonplace. In 1974, psychologist John Voevodsky, PhD, tested a small, inexpensive gadget that would eventually make U.S. highways much safer. The gadget was a third brake light, mounted in the base of rear windshields so that when drivers pressed their brakes, a triangle of light warned following drivers to slow down.

To test whether such a small addition would make a significant difference, Voevodsky equipped 343 San Francisco taxicabs with the third brake light and left 160 taxis with no additional light as a control group. Taxi dispatchers then randomly assigned taxi drivers to taxis with or without the third light, regardless of drivers' expressed preferences. At the end of a 10-month experiment, taxis with a third brake light had suffered 60.6 percent fewer rear-end collisions than had the control-group taxis. Additionally, drivers of taxis with the third brake light that were struck in the rear by other vehicles were injured 61.1 percent less often than were drivers of taxis without the light, and repairs to all taxis with the light cost 61.8 percent less than did repairs to taxis without the light.


Now that third brake lights are commonplace, the novelty has worn off and I have read in a textbook that the percent of collisions reduced is much lower than in the experiement.
24) Message boards : Politics : Absolute Power (Message 1649924)
Posted 21 days ago by Profile Sarge
If you are paying people for a study I think you have allready tainted the study.


I didn't say they were paid. They may have been. Or received some other sort of compensation. If so, it does bring in another factor when analyzing the results. I think tainted may be too strong a word. As college students, the participants could have missed classes or some hours of part-time work. So, how do you convince people to take part otherwise?
25) Message boards : Politics : Absolute Power (Message 1649746)
Posted 21 days ago by Profile Sarge
Now this thread are becoming ridiculous.
I thought it was about ABSOLUTE POWER, not to find some "funny" one-liner to "impress" on the other SETI participants.
That is to say that some people with authority has the ability to control over other people in a way that we normally would not do, and maybe even kill them because an authoritarian say so.
Calling this experiment for an "experiment" is even more ridiculous.
Because I've seen it for several decade ago and still remember it, I think that it might be the best social experiments ever made.

Philip Zimbardo, the professor who conducted the infamous Stanford Prison Experiment in 1971, created this list of seven social processes that he believed were preconditions for people to become like monsters in some situations.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_prison_experiment
- To take the first step without seeing where this will lead (by extension)
- To remove the human value from others.
- Seeing himself as anonymous
- To not see his own personal responsibility
- To blindly obey authority
- Uncritical adaptation to group norms
- A passive tolerance "evil" by his inability to act, or inability to care about what is happening.

Hmm. These points seems familiar to me especially in this forum :)
- To remove the human value from others.
- Seeing himself as anonymous
- To not see his own personal responsibility
- Uncritical adaptation to group norms

btw lets introduce some alcohol into this experiment and forum and see whats happen. Maybe the three other points will be fullfilled:)

Errare humanum est, ignoscere divinum

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authority#Other_social_sciences


Michel raises good points.
I raised, in my opening post, the point that the guard found to be the most sadistic admitted (in the video I linked) to be very much into theater/movies at the time. In other words, perhaps he was acting rather than doing what he would naturally do.
You raise the point of "uncritical adaptation to group norms", which was essentially a point raised in the video by saying "not one of the 'prisoners' spoke out against the cruelty."
Is it not possible that knowing one was in an experiment altered their behavior and led to them not protesting, when otherwise they would? What compensation were the "guards" and "the prisoners" offered for taking part? Is there any chance that they were told, or nonetheless believed, that if they ended their participation early that their compensation would be reduced or cancelled?
These, along with Michel's, are among several critical questions that can be asked. Perhaps they have been asked before, by experts, Zimbardo's colleagues. Watching videos, with their own agendas, can only provide so much of the information. It is my guess that more could be learned by actually looking at what Zimbardo has written and the professional critiques.
As for "adding alcohol" to the forums, I suggest you take a look at the Cafe. the several threads authored by a banished user, and the responses to that poster.
No one posting in this thread has any authority over this forum. That belongs to the project administrators at S@H of Berkeley. Through them, we have the moderators. Over several years, the administrators have worked hard with the mods to develop an approach to dealing with posters in a fair and balanced manner. Besides the poster I mentioned in the previous paragraph, that probably applies most to this portion of the forums, "Politics".
If, by some chance, your comments were referring to me, I suggest that if all you got out of my last post was the "semi-humorous aside", then you did not read or did not understand the rest of the post. Nor was there any attempt to "impress" other posters.
We are not devoid of responsibility here. If we cross a line, we risk having our post or posts hidden and, at worst, being banned for some period of time.
Since we all seem to agree no one is perfect, then, yes, in heated debates we may unfortunately devalue others. You seem to me to be a good person, jannesti, but you also seem to me to be a person that does not recognize those that are most guilty of hiding behind their computers and devaluing others.
26) Message boards : Politics : Ayatollah Lovin' InsaneHustlin'Hussein Workin' Wif Da Tollahs, but No Talkin' or Dealin' wif Da Pukes to Get Country Rolla. Jeez 'O Flip. Did I Type Dat? (Message 1649463)
Posted 22 days ago by Profile Sarge
As A Citizen of Only Country to Vaporize People by Exploding Burgers, I want to say...

...to da Ayattollahs: heeba habba, like a Coke and Fries wif dat?

You Know, like, Last Meal Thingeee.

From Sea To Burning Sea.

Yep.


LOL!


Ayatollah, drink this special cola.
Ayatollah, I made it just for you.

Can't remember the rest of the words. Something lacing it with arsenic or something like that. :)
27) Message boards : Politics : Absolute Power (Message 1649414)
Posted 22 days ago by Profile Sarge
So, on about one-quarter to one-half the days after I leave campus, I head to a nearby convenience store which serves better coffee than Starbucks'. Often I run into Carl, a 73 year old man who recently retired and, a couple of months later, moved into a retirement home.

Inspired by the recent discussions, I asked him, "Carl, do you think power corrupts? Does absolute power corrupt absolutely." He answered, "Yes!"

I told him "I believe power has the potential to corrupt." Then, since I also believe there can be "gradations of corruption", and that being corrupted can lead to self-delusion, I asked him, "Why is it since the passing of term limits [22nd Amendment, 1947, ratified by states in 1951], why has no U.S. president not been so corrupt [deluded] as to attempt to stay past his term? They've all stepped down."

(As a semi-humorous aside, does this mean Congress is more corrupt than Obama?)
28) Message boards : Politics : Absolute Power (Message 1649344)
Posted 22 days ago by Profile Sarge
To the "other posters" ... to the ones "laughing at me or those 'similar' to me with Clyde in PMs" ... or to Clyde ... what is your difficulty with believing "truism" with "generality"? True 100% of the time? 90%? 75%? Or is Clyde on the "truism" if it's true 25% of the time? Hmmm?
29) Message boards : Politics : Absolute Power (Message 1649340)
Posted 22 days ago by Profile Sarge
P.S.-wonderful job, trying to continue to spread the lie about how all university profs are libs libs libs. If I didn't respect the privacy of my colleagues, I'd post pix of their "Romney/Ryan" bumper stickers, the "Obama: most polarizing president ... EVER" posters on their doors, their ads on their doors for the Catholic Church services and "Life is Precious" posters, audio or video recordings of the Obama jokes made.

Yeah, keep up the lie. FOX News must love it.

Silly, unthinking foolishness from his type.

Again lying about what I said.

I said only said that Left Wing Zealot Professors... DIDN'T SAY ALL, NOR MOST PROFESSORS, of course.

Thank you for again confirming what I say about your type.

Let's see: I am against Capitalism, For Gay Marriage, First Read of the day is The New York Times. First 24/7 News is CNN. Believe BBC and CNN are Superior to FOX. Etc., etc., etc.

Hey Sarge...

What Fantasy World do YOU inhabit?

Please enter The Real Word.


I inhabit the world where I knew the crap that can happen by age THREE. What crap it was is none of your g-d business. What did YOU know about real life at age 3?
30) Message boards : Politics : Absolute Power (Message 1649338)
Posted 22 days ago by Profile Sarge
Sarge...

Funny, it seems to me that you are the one playing the question game. Why don't you search my posts and figure out if I think humans are pure?
Meantime, since you don't, is it because of evolution, or did God make us not pure and we made a bad choice? Original sin?

How much further would you like to drive this away from your fundamental argument?

Your arguments were against this...

Are Humans perfect?

How much power would you give to imperfect persons? Or any organization run by them?

Your reply:

This is your chance to make your case. Provide your evidence.

And when I said...

Power Corrupts. Absolute Power Corrupts, Absolutely.

YOU asked me to 'prove' a truism about human nature. Which you NOW say you believe?

Your above reply confirms, what I have been saying about YOUR arguments:

When you are shown to be wrong...

NOTE: Sorry to the other Posters, for my long reply to foolishness. Sarge is just... Well, you know what.


Sorry to other posters for Clyde making assumptions.
31) Message boards : Politics : Absolute Power (Message 1649336)
Posted 22 days ago by Profile Sarge
janneseti, in the video I linked, do you see a potential flaw in the study?

Not everyone sees the same things as others, so rather than hinting at any possible/potential flaw, why not point it out for discussion?

Agreed, but, in a way, I did point 2 possible flaws out. (Which would answer: are humans perfect? Ummm, how could an experiment have flaws if humans were perfect, right?)
So, I want to know if janneseti, or you, or others see it or see other issues?
32) Message boards : Politics : Absolute Power (Message 1649279)
Posted 22 days ago by Profile Sarge
P.S.-wonderful job, trying to continue to spread the lie about how all university profs are libs libs libs. If I didn't respect the privacy of my colleagues, I'd post pix of their "Romney/Ryan" bumper stickers, the "Obama: most polarizing president ... EVER" posters on their doors, their ads on their doors for the Catholic Church services and "Life is Precious" posters, audio or video recordings of the Obama jokes made.

Yeah, keep up the lie. FOX News must love it.
33) Message boards : Politics : Absolute Power (Message 1649270)
Posted 22 days ago by Profile Sarge
Interesting side-discussion, about power and gender in relationships. But that was not the source of my initial post, nor was janneseti's response restricted to that.

Yes. Please back to the topic.
Philip Zimbardo's experiments is about behaviors when authorities make others to do things that they normally wouldn't do.
I saw an other docu where the test people was in the impression that they was part of a science project. They where given instructions from white coated men to submit electrical charges to persons they couldn't see, only hear them.
The white coated men came back and forth and said that you should increase the current. Most people did that despite hearing the screams from the other room.


janneseti, in the video I linked, do you see a potential flaw in the study?
34) Message boards : Politics : Absolute Power (Message 1649269)
Posted 22 days ago by Profile Sarge
Are Humans perfect?

How much power would you give to imperfect persons? Or any organization run by them?


This is your chance to make your case. Provide your evidence.

Evidence that Humans are not perfect, and do bad things?

You are refuting that?

You are refuting that Evil In Power, is more dangerous, than Evil Not In Power?

Are you kidding?

Sorry...

Won't play that silly Academic Game of yours.

That silly, very mind numbing game, was attempted on me, for over 20 years in Academia, with no success. My students loved me for not playing that ridiculous game. They understood, but were afraid not to play it.

Why Students, in a supposed Liberal Arts University, were afraid to say what they really thought, to Left Wing Zealot Professors and Administrators (and I was repeatedly threatened, if I did not accept THEIR beliefs), should be part of another Thread.

Question: All Humans are Pure?


Funny, it seems to me that you are the one playing the question game. Why don't you search my posts and figure out if I think humans are pure?
Meantime, since you don't, is it because of evolution, or did God make us not pure and we made a bad choice? Original sin?

How much further would you like to drive this away from your fundamental argument?
35) Message boards : Politics : Absolute Power (Message 1648973)
Posted 23 days ago by Profile Sarge
Are Humans perfect?

How much power would you give to imperfect persons? Or any organization run by them?


This is your chance to make your case. Provide your evidence.
36) Message boards : Politics : Absolute Power (Message 1648914)
Posted 23 days ago by Profile Sarge
Interesting side-discussion, about power and gender in relationships. But that was not the source of my initial post, nor was janneseti's response restricted to that.

Clyde, and others, did/do make the claim that power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. I suspect that is an old old statement. One that did not really get tested until recent times. (Previous evidence would have been anecdotal.) Also, I am suggesting the possibility that there were flaws in the study referred to in the video for which I provided a link.
37) Message boards : Politics : Absolute Power (Message 1647916)
Posted 27 days ago by Profile Sarge
Does it, in fact, corrupt? Absolutely?
Check out this wonderful, double-blind study: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-mDhg09pcw.
Hmmm, the "most sadistic" of the guards was very much into theater at the time.
38) Message boards : Politics : Net Neutrality Part Deux (Message 1647904)
Posted 27 days ago by Profile Sarge
But! But?!

Can't stir the pot if he answers - only if he asks!

Hi Gary...

One good thing about your Reply's:

The Reply, signifying nothing, is short. Unlike other's.

Remember this axiom: When ones Ideas are Bankrupt. Get personal, and silly.

Now let's see if you can/will respond to my forthcoming answer to Sarge, with an Intelligent and Thoughtful Disagreement.

I have faith you can.


Remember this axiom?
Why post something too long to read when you can post hundreds of short replies? I have faith you do remember and apply, as well as distort the meanings of short and long.
39) Message boards : Politics : Net Neutrality Part Deux (Message 1647888)
Posted 27 days ago by Profile Sarge
But! But?!

Can't stir the pot if he answers - only if he asks!

I think he's saying he hasn't read it.
Though I enjoy italics.
40) Message boards : Politics : Net Neutrality Part Deux (Message 1647539)
Posted 27 days ago by Profile Sarge
President has no authority to Declare War.

Yes he does for at least 90 days. In a nuke world that is forever. Perhaps you should learn some of what powers government has.

"Declare War", a Constitutional Term and Specific meaning, does not mean Wage War.

The '90 Day Congressional Authority' is about Waging War, not Declaring War. Which is an entirely another level, concerning 'Treaty's and Obligations'.

The USA's last Declared War, Constitutionally Declared by Congress, was WWII.


Since YOU have READ the Act about NET NEUTRALITY, which points, specifically, are you against?


Aw, c'mon, broh! You've had more than 4 hours to answer. Why don't you answer questions asked directly of you?
[That's FOUR (4) good comebacks! ;)]

Sarge...

Get a life. This maybe important to you. Not me. Have more important things to do.

Just came home, and now going out, under swaying palm trees, to have a bite to eat. With the most beautiful woman in the world.

Just sit by your computer, and await my reply tomorrow morning.

:) :) :)


But! But?!


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