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1) Message boards : Politics : existance of god (Message 1720657)
Posted 2 hours ago by Profile Sarge
The Devil's Purpose. Part of an interesting youtube series in progress.
2) Message boards : Politics : Dallas PD HQ Attacked! (Message 1720417)
Posted 22 hours ago by Profile Sarge


I patiently await your response to http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=77510&postid=1718669.
3) Message boards : Politics : Big Pharmaceutical companies price gouging (Message 1719871)
Posted 2 days ago by Profile Sarge
Yep. You hit the nail on the head. The Patent system in the USA (as well as a number of other nations in the world) is horribly, horribly broken.

Major I did not "hit the nail on the head", I hit a nail on the head.
A subject that has not been discussed is DR.s and other healthcare providers gaming the system.


Kickbacks for prescribing s particular frug?
4) Message boards : Politics : Racist? [yes you are] (Message 1719755)
Posted 3 days ago by Profile Sarge
Or, the witnesses found not credible were left out?
Or, the table maker selected his or her own way to skew the point made?

Is PBS Newshour known for its political bias? And do you think that in a case this controversial, they would get away with showing a deliberately skewed table? Besides, if you wanted to skew a table, wouldn't you include more witnesses that support one side of the story?Aka, less witnesses that contradict what other witnesses said?


PBS stands for Public Broadcasting Service. It gets money to run from the government and from people donating directly to them. It is often accused of a left-wing bias.

And, didn't we all agree that, according to the table, the majority said MB had his hands up?
5) Message boards : Politics : Racist? [yes you are] (Message 1719563)
Posted 3 days ago by Profile Sarge
Michel, why are some witnesses left out or, if not left out, not numbered sequentially?

Sorry, I don't know, I didn't make that table ;)

Perhaps its what Gary said, the others are people who were asked but didn't turn out to be witnesses? Or perhaps they were witnesses of some other aspect of the investigation and not the shooting itself?


Or, the witnesses found not credible were left out?
Or, the table maker selected his or her own way to skew the point made?
6) Message boards : Politics : Racist? [yes you are] (Message 1719359)
Posted 3 days ago by Profile Sarge
He wasn't shot in the back. As many initial and untruthful, perjuring themselves under oath in the Grand Jury, stated.

Actually according to the chart almost everyone said that Michael Brown was facing Darren Wilson when he got shot. So again, what lying witnesses?

Why were those, basically backing up the Officer's account (according to The Facts and Forensic Evidence) afraid to publicly speak the truth?

Clearly they weren't given that they all said that MB was facing DW. Its in the chart. Have you actually looked at the chart?





Michel, why are some witnesses left out or, if not left out, not numbered sequentially?
7) Message boards : Politics : Ephebiphobia (Message 1718854)
Posted 4 days ago by Profile Sarge
So, next, does Chris (or anyone else) care to know why I think 40 somethings or transitioning viewpoint 40 somethings will be hard to find here?

Yes please.


First, remember that before 2008, the posting community here was more diverse and vibrant. It has never fully bounced back.

Second, I have been trying to see both sides since at least age 23, so there's little to no transitioning occurring. Bobby says essentially the same for himself. I doubt Es is transitioning much. 272902 says he sees little transitioning in himself or others.

The old maxims may no longer be holding. The reasons given by Michel and others may also explain why some 40somethings think as they do and are not transitioning to become more conservative as they age.

What exactly is meant by transitioning? I have definitely become more left wing as I have grown older and wiser. I think Tami makes some very valid points in that the reason someone doesn't like young people gathering is most likely because of fear.


In the context of this discussion, I think Chris first brought up the term and I think it is pretty clear he means moving from one side of the political spectrum to the other side, by whatever degree. Becoming more left wing, then, would not fit in this theory of transitions Chris has but rather seems to be one example in favor of my point. I think Bobby's making the same point.

Chris, can we then take Es as counterpoint to your female relative? We're back to 0 to 0, then; i.e., single examples do not provide proof.

Anecdotal evidence is never going to be proof (in the sense of mathematical proof, however large samples of anecdotal evidence can be sufficient when dealing with non-mathematical areas such as human interaction). Its not even possible to assume that because you are surrounded by people who think like you that you represent a majority or a 'norm' because we tend to surround ourselves with people who think like us.

That is often the reason people get so upset when posting on seti and coming across points of view totally oppostie to theirs that they would never normally come across. Some peole can find it quite distressing when they realise they are not the sole keeper of the 'correct' world view.


1 example versus 1 counterexample can be thought to balance to 0 versus 0; i.e., nothing gained in forwarding either of the claims.
8) Message boards : Science (non-SETI) : Universal time? (Message 1718851)
Posted 4 days ago by Profile Sarge
When did you get to decide the rest of us do not sign petitions in an s@h science thread?

Well start one then!



https://www.change.org/p/government-stop-daylight-saving-time?recruiter=298694645&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=copylink

https://cdn.urbantimes.co/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/baa0c621409a710233685deecc6e66bb-how-queen-elizabeth-ii-felt.jpg

Janne, he is simply avoiding the question.
KLIK already provided the two above.
9) Message boards : Politics : Racist? [yes you are] (Message 1718711)
Posted 5 days ago by Profile Sarge
"Meredith Clark, an assistant professor at the Mayborn School of Journalism at the University of North Texas who is conducting research on the Black Lives Matter movement, told the Los Angeles Times the lack of outrage over Hammond’s death did not appear to be race-related. She said the lack of compelling video or a history of brutality complaints with the police department was more of a reason the story did not reach national levels."


I read that part very closely.
Your point?

So tweets by BLM were all they did.


All that was done by whom? As opposed to ... what ... else did you want them to do?

Bye the way, from the quantity and length of your posts, I assumed you WERE retired.....lot of time on your hands? And yes I DO have a lot of time on my hands as I am happily retired, thanks for asking?


9699 posts now, including this one.
First post was late 2005 or (less likely) early 2006.
Dividing by more days would provide a lower rate. So let's say January 1, 2006. 365*9 = 3285. 2 leap years in there. 3287 days. Since Jan. 1 of this year, add about 238 days, for a total. 3525 days. Divide this into the 9699, to obtain an average posting rate of a little more than 2.75 posts per day.

Of course, this ignores hidden posts (deserved or not) as well as an extended vacation.

It also assumes linearity, the same per day. Clearly, this is false. (Unless, of course, you think these are just facts for me to distort or ignore, lol ... .)

Similarly, I am sure your analysis of my posting rate and the lengths of the posts was equally insightful, such as subtracting the length of the quoted parts (to put things in context) to see how long the remainder (my contribution) was.

Even accounting for these things, the average posting rate would still be close to 2 or 3 posts, with some/many days of 0 and 1, some a little higher, some much higher. (Or do you dispute the non-linearity of my posting behavior and the works of Newton and Leibniz?)

But, sure, let's talk about these things, with only one minor point regarding my previous post in this thread.

Buy the way ... . ("Oh, well, whatever, nevermind.")
10) Message boards : Politics : Ephebiphobia (Message 1718702)
Posted 5 days ago by Profile Sarge
So, next, does Chris (or anyone else) care to know why I think 40 somethings or transitioning viewpoint 40 somethings will be hard to find here?

Yes please.


First, remember that before 2008, the posting community here was more diverse and vibrant. It has never fully bounced back.

Second, I have been trying to see both sides since at least age 23, so there's little to no transitioning occurring. Bobby says essentially the same for himself. I doubt Es is transitioning much. 272902 says he sees little transitioning in himself or others.

The old maxims may no longer be holding. The reasons given by Michel and others may also explain why some 40somethings think as they do and are not transitioning to become more conservative as they age.

What exactly is meant by transitioning? I have definitely become more left wing as I have grown older and wiser. I think Tami makes some very valid points in that the reason someone doesn't like young people gathering is most likely because of fear.


In the context of this discussion, I think Chris first brought up the term and I think it is pretty clear he means moving from one side of the political spectrum to the other side, by whatever degree. Becoming more left wing, then, would not fit in this theory of transitions Chris has but rather seems to be one example in favor of my point. I think Bobby's making the same point.

Chris, can we then take Es as counterpoint to your female relative? We're back to 0 to 0, then; i.e., single examples do not provide proof.
11) Message boards : Politics : Dallas PD HQ Attacked! (Message 1718669)
Posted 5 days ago by Profile Sarge
Logically, it follows that it is ok for the rest of the world to be susceptible to their own threats from within.

That is a stupid argument. Logically it follows? By whose logic, yours? It is not up to the people of the US what form of government people in another country choose unless they ask for our help or become a threat to us. It IS on the other hand the business of the American citizenry, and nobody else, to determine our own course.


I don't see Gary or Mark arguing with it.
But I can see you did not understand.
You said you do not care what other countries do regarding an equivalent to a 2nd Amendment.
So, some or many countries may (and have) fallen to despots.
Is it so hard for you to understand, regardless of how the US responds, it does make our existence more difficult? Interfere or don't interfere. Cold War or no, we are affected.

If a people are sufficiently dissatisfied they will overthrow the perceived oppressors (most recently the Arab Spring). What succeeds that oppressive regime depends on the strength and resolve of the people. Sometimes it's a worse oppressor (The Islamic Brotherhood), or total chaos (as in Libya), when a vacuum is created it is filled, sometimes with evil such as ISIS (or are you defending their right to exist?, just using your own tactic of extrapolation to the absurd).


You've gone way beyond. I am not defending their right to exist.
Prior to your parenthetical comment, we agreed on that paragraph. But, I'm sure that ... .
12) Message boards : Politics : Dallas PD HQ Attacked! (Message 1718636)
Posted 5 days ago by Profile Sarge
The extravaganza of bold text appeared to suggest otherwise.


You misinterpret passion as issues.

I'm interested. I get why the right to bear arms was so cherished to begin with. Wherever colonial Britain stuck her snout - scars abound. I suspect the Africa thread will highlight a few. But you've been electing your own for long enough, and you're more armed than ever. Which leaves your civil war.

Other nations disarmed on cessation of hostilities. Why not America?

This entire part of your post indicates your misunderstanding or misinterpretation of the reason for the 2nd Amendment. The Right to keep and bear arms is not just for personal protection or as deterrent to invasion by a foreign power, it was intended by the authors as insurance against a tyrannical threat from within as well. A disarmed population is the first step to total control. Many examples exist in history I will not belabor them. I don't understand what your comment on the Civil War was about.

If you don't mind another question? You believe gun ownership makes America a safer place. Do you advocate that the rest of the world follows your example?

I really don't know where this comes from. No other government on earth that I am aware of, Constitutionally guarantees it's citizens the right to keep and bear arms. Speaking for myself I really don't care what the rest of the world does or does not want in the way of personal firearms. What I do have a BIG problem with is other countries trying to change our guaranteed rights(UN Small Arms Treaty). That is what 1776 was all about in the first place.


Logically, it follows that it is ok for the rest of the world to be susceptible to their own threats from within. Only we should guarantee not being susceptible. And living in a world where some or all the rest of the world is enslaved by their tyrannical governments from within would be ... ?
13) Message boards : Science (non-SETI) : Universal time? (Message 1718623)
Posted 5 days ago by Profile Sarge
DST has nothing to do with GMT or UTC. We do not sign petitions in a science thread. Go bang your personal drum elsewhere please.

When did you get to decide the rest of us do not sign petitions in an s@h science thread?


Still wondering.


Anybody else wondering?
14) Message boards : Politics : Racist? [yes you are] (Message 1718607)
Posted 5 days ago by Profile Sarge
And so a Huffington Post editorial is your source.


I suspect you are saying "the source is poison, so the story cannot be true".

1) Oh,no! Fox talks about it as well! http://fox2now.com/2015/08/07/south-carolina-officer-shoots-unarmed-white-teen-during-pot-bust-2/

2) There are sources within the Huffington Post source which you do not discuss. Perhaps you did not even notice them. They provided a link where you could read the tweets from several BLM propoonents. To discredit those sources, you would have to do a lot of research, such as proving many were from accounts claiming to be owned by blacks when in the person at the keyboard was not actually black or they were in fact black but they didn't post what they really felt but posted otherwise (perhaps to make themselves look better by defending a white, for example). I doubt you'd spend the time to discredit these things or, if you did, I bet that you'd have difficulty.

Michael Brown was a thug, a bully and a punk no matter what color he was. Witnesses, Black Witnesses, testified before a Grand Jury that he charged the officer and tried to take his weapon. He never knelt and said that.


Knelt and said ... what?

Michel has already addressed the many other shootings. Can all be dismissed so easily? Yes, I saw the video of the store being robbed and it did look like it might be Michael Brown. I also saw several minutes of video of Tamir Rice at a seemingly empty park in Ohio, pacing around (IIRC, his sister was visible for a bit at the beginning). Then, with no apparent deletion of intervening video, a police car zooms up. I'd say the time from first seeing the car in a corner of the frame to seeing a body fall is about a mere 2 to 3 seconds. Do you dismiss this one as well? All of them?

BLM is a movement based on a lie.


Which lie?

HANDS UP, DON'T SHOOT is a lie.


It is? How so? This could be read as saying "There longer exists a universal gesture nor statement one can make to indicate surrender to the police."

The more I read what you're saying, I have to back up on the compliment of making what you believe very clear. I'm not so sure now.

They tried to intimidate and bully Hillary Clinton into lip service instead of discussing the issue. Video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7o4noK5LFLs


Is this the one where she essentially said, "You're not going to be able to change all hearts, so what we need to do is change the laws"?

BLM 'leadership' such as it is ...


Self-appointed leaders are not true leaders.

Now, you worked very hard to redirect the conversation into what you wanted it to be. Yet, all you did was:

1) Attempt to discredit the source.
(A) Did not address the sources within the sources (link to several tweets).
2) Discredit "leaders" of the movement.
3) Discredit me. In my world, facts are the bread and butter. You know little to nothing about me. You have not been around long enough to see my real posts. If I was retired, I would unleash the full power of not distorting facts and cogent reasoning upon you like I used to do here years ago.

You now have, count them, 3 sources, one of them a Fox source and another with sources inside the source. You're going to have to work harder at discrediting.

Furthermore, the fact that you are trying to do so is mind-boggling.

You favor limited government? You are a member of the NRA? You believe you reasonable fear that there will be a time when you need that gun to rise up against an oppressive government ... oppressive authorities? Then why do you have such a hard time believing there were times in recent years that some of our public servants ... our authority figures ... have acted with excessive force ... force not proportional to the situation, whether a white, black, Asian, Latino or whomever else was involved?

If you believe in every single instance that's been discussed the last 1.5 years or so involved a legitimate level of force, well, then, maybe you can just retire, give me your gun because I could use more firepower if our government ever becomes too oppressive.[/quote]
15) Message boards : Politics : Racist? [yes you are] (Message 1718596)
Posted 5 days ago by Profile Sarge
You really live in a messed up world if you think its acceptable for police to gun down someone for something as little as shoplifting.

Yep, in Мишель's world you shouldn't even go to prison for petty crimes like robbing banks.

Bank robberies


You think someone like that should be stuck in jail for more than 7,5 years, which is the sentence they gave him? To me that sounds proportional.

How is that arguing that people shouldn't go to jail for petty crimes?


Good question.
16) Message boards : Politics : Ephebiphobia (Message 1718595)
Posted 5 days ago by Profile Sarge
So, next, does Chris (or anyone else) care to know why I think 40 somethings or transitioning viewpoint 40 somethings will be hard to find here?

Yes please.


First, remember that before 2008, the posting community here was more diverse and vibrant. It has never fully bounced back.

Second, I have been trying to see both sides since at least age 23, so there's little to no transitioning occurring. Bobby says essentially the same for himself. I doubt Es is transitioning much. 272902 says he sees little transitioning in himself or others.

The old maxims may no longer be holding. The reasons given by Michel and others may also explain why some 40somethings think as they do and are not transitioning to become more conservative as they age.
17) Message boards : Politics : Ephebiphobia (Message 1718337)
Posted 5 days ago by Profile Sarge
Bobby sees here (and in general) pretty well the point of my post(s).
So, next, does Chris (or anyone else) care to know why I think 40 somethings or transitioning viewpoint 40 somethings will be hard to find here?
18) Message boards : Politics : Racist? [yes you are] (Message 1718322)
Posted 5 days ago by Profile Sarge
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sB3PtX_Bw7Q

Published on Aug 8, 2015

(CNN)You think you've heard this story before. A young, unarmed man is gunned down by police, black activists are outraged -- the only difference with this scenario is that the young man is not black, he's white

Didn't see one reference to BLM in your cited reference. All this shows is if you are in the company of a sought criminal you may become a collateral victim. I don't defend or accuse the officers involved, I wasn't there.

Once again Sarge, like the camp trailer in the Walmart parking lot, there is no substance to your claim.


That is not the only source, nor did you read closely. I quoted the caption added under the video.

You made the extraordinary claim that Obama is promoting divisiveness.
It is not the burden of the stater of the null hypothesis to bring evidence for or against it, but the one stating an alternate hypothesis.
That I provided you anything is kindness.
To show you further kindness and patience, I have now tracked down the original article I was exposed to, by a colleague: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/zachary-hammond-police-killing_55c0e240e4b0c9fdc75dfda3?ncid=tweetlnkushpmg00000067.

As for the off topic bit about the campers at Wal Mart, rest assured, if I can further bolster my claim, I will return to that topic. I think you overestimate the number of people owning campers in that city, regardless of how many you see in your city tailgating at Raiders games.
19) Message boards : Politics : Racist? [yes you are] (Message 1718298)
Posted 5 days ago by Profile Sarge
I can't wait to see how far "Black Lives Matter" will blow this incident out of proportion. The police have more efficient uses to devote their time than investigating a minor 'he said, she said' incident.

Just another symptom of the divide and vilify culture promoted by Obama.

And here comes the 'slings and arrows'.


You mean the same BLM that is also defending white lives?


Cite reference please.

Here's the view of someone who actually lives there. **PLEASE BE AWARE OF SOME PROFANE LANGUAGE**
https://video-dfw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hvideo-xpf1/v/t42.1790-2/11878300_1176910949004865_865831763_n.mp4?efg=eyJybHIiOjk2MSwicmxhIjozNzY2fQ%3D%3D&rl=961&vabr=534&oh=77b7d2d88fbadfb440c9fe3a93614f6e&oe=55DCFCF9

Is SHE racist?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sB3PtX_Bw7Q

Published on Aug 8, 2015

(CNN)You think you've heard this story before. A young, unarmed man is gunned down by police, black activists are outraged -- the only difference with this scenario is that the young man is not black, he's white.
20) Message boards : Science (non-SETI) : Universal time? (Message 1718256)
Posted 6 days ago by Profile Sarge
DST has nothing to do with GMT or UTC. We do not sign petitions in a science thread. Go bang your personal drum elsewhere please.

When did you get to decide the rest of us do not sign petitions in an s@h science thread?


Still wondering.


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