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1) Message boards : Number crunching : RAC, BOINC Resource Share and SETI WU's (Message 1298412)
Posted 645 days ago by Profile Interstel
I changed all the settings to be equal again and still no Einstein WU's coming through.

My SETI's avg is coming slowly slowly back up its about 900 when it was at 4400 on Aug 5 with I added the other projects.

Someone at Einstein suggested that I suspend getting new SETI work the way I had suspended Einstein work to get SETI work again because I had dropped off to just a few SETI WU's coming through which is how I went from 4400 SETI avg to 300 in 6 weeks and in the last 4 I've gone back up from 300 to 900 because my Einstein has gone from 6000 down to 1500.

But I have noticed that I was getting a bunch of the astropulse long running WU's in July and for part of August but I havent gotten 1 since the end of August and only a few 6.04 have come through since I started getting SETI's again. Is there a reason why I wouldnt get get 6.04's or astropulses anymore?

And am I going to screw myself up again if I temporarily suspend getting SETI WU's for some Einstein ones will start coming. I dont understand why the BOINC system just doesnt do a TSO and do so many for each project I've got enough computer power to do it.

James the puzzled.

ps I really though the fact that BOINC maintained a separate xml for each projects settings plus the individual default, home, work, school because I was using those settings to control how each machine running BOINC was using its resources.
2) Message boards : Number crunching : RAC, BOINC Resource Share and SETI WU's (Message 1297917)
Posted 647 days ago by Profile Interstel
So here's the change.
1) All projects get disk space reduced to 4 gigs except for Einstein which goes to 3 as it seems to need lots of space (this an attempt to curb its activity).
2) The WU's cache settings SETI remains at 2 & 10 but all the rest get changed to 2 & 4 with the exception of Einstein with goes to 1 & 3.

And how do you do that? (since these separate settings are not possible)
- "WU's cache settings" is total work (sum) from all the projects (in calendar days)
- The "disk space allowed" (3 values, most restrictive is used) is total disk space BOINC can use for all the projects in this computer



What???? Ok now I'm floored. I assumed that the each projects settings were independent of the other projects settings especially as some projects had settng for things not present in other projects. If all the projects use the lowest setting possible I now have to go through and reset all the project settings to what they were before I started experimenting trying to get the BOINC program to share the resources equally because after I added the extra projects the Einstein Project was stealing all the time and the SETI program went to the scrap heap in terms of WU's completed. Even now I am just starting to get back to 1000 avg on SETI but I haven't gotten an Einstein in 10+ days.
3) Message boards : Number crunching : RAC, BOINC Resource Share and SETI WU's (Message 1289238)
Posted 670 days ago by Profile Interstel
Well based on the comments since my last post 5 days ago I am trying the following and I will report back on it after it has about 2 weeks to generate some results. Previously I had all projects at contacting home every 2 days and to get at least 10 days worth of work. I also set the size of available disk space to 10 gigs. And finally the resource share was all of them at 100. I'm not worried about CPU and or memory setting changes so those are staying at what they were.

So here's the change. 1) All projects get disk space reduced to 4 gigs except for Einstein which goes to 3 as it seems to need lots of space (this an attempt to curb its activity). 2) The WU's cache settings SETI remains at 2 & 10 but all the rest get changed to 2 & 4 with the exception of Einstein with goes to 1 & 3. Finally 3) SETI resource share goes to 150, Eistein goes to 25 and the rest remain at 100.

And at least temporarily Einstein is suspended from getting new WU's while its cache works down.

Hopefully this will result in a level of activity more in line in what I wanted which was to keep SETI over 2000 but allow the others to get reasonable numbers not my current situation which was SETI falling from 4400 to 440 and Einstein briefly at 5000 and the rest all between 200 and 900..


James


ps Does anyone know of a way to have BOINC use its operating data directory on another drive letter? I would be better for me to be able to move the data to an independent drive from the boot/application drive. I mention this because I have already gained benefits from operating BoincLogX data directories on another drive as allowed them more space and to run faster.[/i]
4) Message boards : Number crunching : RAC, BOINC Resource Share and SETI WU's (Message 1287323)
Posted 676 days ago by Profile Interstel
Back at the beginning of August I decided that after having completed 2+ million WU's that I would add 6 other interesting projects to my main Workstation as it is the most powerful in my business. I was laboring under the concept that you could set the Resource Shares in such as way as to favor whichever project you want to get more time. So I originally set up everything so that SETI got 65% of total power of 75% of the 8 CPU's in my primary workstation the balance split between the other projects. But was happened apparently as time as gone by is that the Einstein Project has taken me from 4,100 avg SETI credit level down to 400 while it has gone to over 5,000.

About a month ago I posed the question did the Resource Share actually function as it said it did and advice came through to set everything back to 100 and let it settle out. Briefly the Einstein numbers came down by 10% and the SETI ones just continued their downward plunge to the current 400.

Short of just suspending Einstein is there a way to get the Resource Share function to actually work? 11 years of doing SETI and it only took 2 months to drive down my avg to practically nothing. I used to have 200 SETI WU's in my queue. In the last month I even stopped getting astropulse WU's and very few 6.04's have come up.

Help please?

James
5) Message boards : Number crunching : Anyone else not getting work??? (Message 1279050)
Posted 698 days ago by Profile Interstel

as BillBG previously mentioned in the Bug in server affecting older BOINC clients with NVIDIA GPUs thread, BOINC is upposed to respect resource share in the long term, which means that its effects won't be immediately noticeable. as i also previously mentioned in that same thread, i used to have 90% of the CPU in one of my machines allocated to LHC@Home SixTrack (in hopes that on the rare occasion SixTrack WU's became available, my host would download a bunch and give them priority), and the remaining 10% allocated to a handful of other projects. it actually worked the exact opposite as i expected - BOINC wouldn't even bother to download LHC@H work despite the massive 90% resource allocation to the project, and all other projects would continue downloading/crunching/uploading/reporting/invoking scheduler requests like they always do. i then decided to split the resources evenly between all projects, and all of the sudden i started getting LHC@H work!

perhaps you should try splitting resource share evenly between all projects on that host, instead of giving 70% to SETI and the remaining 30% to all other projects, and see what happens? it might not do anything for you, but it sure couldn't hurt to try...


Well it certainly wont hurt to try for a couple of days. One thing that is throwing me though can upgrading your video drivers slow down processing? I had cause to install the Nvidia 306.02 drivers which are certified but not WHQL like the 302.42 drivers. And it seems like my astropulse computations have slowed down to 1/2 speed.

James
6) Message boards : Number crunching : Anyone else not getting work??? (Message 1277686)
Posted 700 days ago by Profile Interstel
After my shutdown and restart of the BOINC program I go in a bunch of a whole slew of Einstein's and some LHC's. But only 5 new SETI's 1 6.04, and 4 6.09's. I haven't changed my setting since synching them all up months ago creating essentially 4 types none, home, school and work. that way I could assign each machine into a category that best fit what it had and how long it takes to run things.

My primary workstation has dual CPU's with dual cores and hyperthreading for 8 CPU Cores, 16 gigs of RAM, a GeForce 250 GTS the first that runs openCLl, and U320 15,000 RPM SCSI hard disks.

In the past I was doing around 4000-4400 credit average for just SETI. Since Aug 8th when I added the extra projects the number of SETI 6.03-6.09 WU's has dropped and dropped with the only things coming through being the Astropulse 6.01's. Yet I set the RESOURCE SHARE to 1400 on SETI to force supposedly 70% to SETI and 5% to everything else but it runs more like I've set SETI to 5%.

I know this is the 2nd time I've put this out here but I've been pretty much trouble free for a decade. If it means I have to drop these other projects I will in order to maintain my SETI ever increasing WU count.

Jame
7) Message boards : Number crunching : Anyone else not getting work??? (Message 1277287)
Posted 701 days ago by Profile Interstel
My SETI work load on my main system has been going down steadily for almost the last month. Now part of that is due to the addition of 6 addition projects and I fully expected a credit average drop but I weighted the SETI resource share 70-30 in favor of SETI WU's. I was getting Astropulse's but those take a long time and frankly the credit return on time spent is disproportionate to the CPU time spent compared for doing 6.03, 6.08 or 6.09 computations. But as of the last 24 hours for the first time in I dont remember how long I'm done to (3) SETI Astropulse's, no other SETI running apps, no WU's in the queue and the other (4) CPU slots split between Cosmology, and Einstein. Now Einstein has 6 WU in the back queue but normally I have over 200 items in the queue pending and I've had as many as 300 WU's in the Queue.

Just in case it had something to do with BOINC running too long without being rebooted I shut BOINC down and restarted it and then hit UPDATE individually for each project. Nothing.

2 other Computers I have running SETI have about 10 items in their queues but based on their slow computation speed they are timed to run through Oct.

I understand about the power outages but I read the server screen right a little while ago their were 600K+ WU's waiting to be assigned. So I am stumped.

Jame

ps one thing I did not expect picking up additional projects especially using the Resource Share setting was not to keep processing lots of 6.03-6.09's the drop off in my getting them has caused my average SETI credit to drop from over 4200 to 1600 in just 3 weeks.
8) Message boards : News : Bug in server affecting older BOINC clients with NVIDIA GPUs. (Message 1277276)
Posted 701 days ago by Profile Interstel

You very probably didn't watch for Temperatures (for CPU, GPU)

There are many Temperature Monitoring Programs for this:
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=59292
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=62044

Any 'heavy' computing program (as almost all of projects running under BOINC, not only SETI) will Heat the computer if it have no adequate cooling.
Dust buildup in the heatsinks/fans (in the computer) is the most often cause for poor cooling.

The high temperature probably killed your GPU (NVIDIA)

I just made a post about TThrottle here:
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=68948&postid=1277084#1277084




I personally found out long ago that mounting several 120mm fans to help push air at the CPU's and at the GPU's helps keep the temperature down. Otherwise my system would cook itself. Even with cleaning the fans regularly I find they have to be replaced on a regular schedule so I found a good EBAY vendor that sells them at a reasonable price and always keep a supply of 120's and 50's around.

James
9) Message boards : News : Bug in server affecting older BOINC clients with NVIDIA GPUs. (Message 1276399)
Posted 703 days ago by Profile Interstel
... in the next few days I will be getting in a GeForce 295GTX dual GPU 1.7GB memory card.
I would get something better but that is the top end card supported by my motherboard.

Why do you think so?
Don't expect that your motherboard docs (.pdf) will include all the video cards it can accept.
(it will list only those video cards available at the time the motherboard was manufactured)

You can use PCIe 2.0 video card in an PCIe 1.x motherboard.
(my PCIe 1.x motherboard is made 2006, my PCIe 2.0 video card in it is made 2011 (or 2012 ?))


Its one thing to put a PCIe 2.0 card in a PCIe 1.1 slot as the card will switch to downward compatibility. But I doubt putting ina PCIe 3.0 card in a 1.1 slot would be smart as the bus differences would be more than I expect it to tolerate plus their might be voltage issues also.



Was I wrong in believing I had read that you could force BOINC through the resource share option to partition out the work in the percentage that you wanted?

BOINC is 'supposed' to respect resource share in a long term (weeks?).

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Well I look forward to as right now it seems to be running a round robin affair and the amount of SETI work I have done have dropped dramatically on this machine.

James

10) Message boards : News : Bug in server affecting older BOINC clients with NVIDIA GPUs. (Message 1275345)
Posted 705 days ago by Profile Interstel
I find that the dates and times do not match the ones listed in the link.

Normal:
- Your time (file times) is not in UTC
- You finish their download later than server sends (assigns) them to you

OK got it.

But I do find the following 2 entries are not present in any kind of wording....
6.10 (cuda_fermi)

You have NVIDIA GeForce GTS 250 which is not fermi, you have tasks marked "SETI@home Enhanced v6.09 (cuda23)" and "SETI@home Enhanced v6.08 (cuda)":
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/results.php?hostid=3691074&offset=0&show_names=0&state=2&appid=

They are processed by:
setiathome_6.08_windows_intelx86__cuda.exe
setiathome_6.09_windows_intelx86__cuda23.exe

(and several .dll files)

OK and I got that too now in my head.


6.04 (opencl_nvidia_100)

You still do not have AstroPulse tasks allocated to the GPU, the app will be downloaded with the first AstroPulse task for the GPU:
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/results.php?hostid=3691074&offset=0&show_names=0&state=0&appid=12

The first ones just downloaded. So apparently I have never been using the GPU for Astropulse? Only for 6.09 cuda WU's?


And I guess I had some stuff not used anymore like astropulse 5.00, 5.03.

Since all the apps (.exe .dll .cl and other types of files) consume very little HDD space - better do not delete things you are not sure what they are (e.g. .DLLs)


And at least twice applications that seemed to have 2 slightly different versions such as

setiathome_6.03_windows_intelx86.exe
setigraphics_6.03_windows_intelx86.exe

Do not delete them - both are standard current apps (setigraphics used for "Show graphics" and screensaver)



Everything there will be left alone then and thank you for all the information it has been permanently filed in the old aging braincase. The upside is that in the next few days I will be getting in a GeForce 295GTX dual GPU 1.7GB memory card. I would get something better but that is the top end card supported by my motherboard.



Final question concerning the operation of BOINC itself. In the last 17 days I have added 6 projects to my primary workstation but left the other machines just running SETI as I figured I had enough machine power to run them with damaging my SETI WU credit score. In fact I tweaked the settings for Resource share so that SETI had 70% of the resources and the other 6 projects had 5% each. But I am finding out that BOINC seems to be completely ignoring that setting and instead allocating time round robin between them all and result is that my average credit for SETI has dropped from nearly 4500 down to 2000 and the Einstein one has jumped to 3900, 3 of the others are together under 1000 and 2 are not generating any work. Was I wrong in believing I had read that you could force BOINC through the resource share option to partition out the work in the percentage that you wanted?


James
11) Message boards : News : Bug in server affecting older BOINC clients with NVIDIA GPUs. (Message 1274268)
Posted 707 days ago by Profile Interstel
Well checking my directory with SETI definitions under BOINC. I find that the dates and times do not match the ones listed in the link. But I do find the following 2 entries are not present in any kind of wording....

6.10 (cuda_fermi)

6.04 (opencl_nvidia_100)

And I guess I had some stuff not used anymore like astropulse 5.00, 5.03. And at least twice applications that seemed to have 2 slightly different versions such as

setiathome_6.03_windows_intelx86.exe

setigraphics_6.03_windows_intelx86.exe

James
12) Message boards : News : Bug in server affecting older BOINC clients with NVIDIA GPUs. (Message 1274093)
Posted 708 days ago by Profile Interstel
Have the new Nvidia APPs gone out? What would be the version number to tell if you had gotten them?

James

ps I feel you guys and the power outages every day here I have to worry about lightning and thunderstorms taking down either the power or the T1's.
13) Questions and Answers : Windows : Long validation time (Message 1229924)
Posted 812 days ago by Profile Interstel
Thanks for both the replies. One has indicated its not worth the effort and the other added a useful tool to my toolbox.

James
14) Message boards : Number crunching : Historical WU user view results (Message 1229201)
Posted 814 days ago by Profile Interstel
That was a very complete answer it also deals with indirectly a post I made elsewhere about whether you could reconstruct the taskID if you had the ap# and the corresponding data from the local machine log file associated with it like this.

1336403538 ue 270338.087539 ct 299676.600000 fe 1821052114462310 nm ap_19dc11ae_B2_P0_00009_20120408_17962.wu_1 et 302868.797158

Its a shame that local machine log which contained that information job_log_setiathome.berkley.edu.txt doesn't also log the wuID and the taskID. Currently my log has 18,010 lines in it and apparently started in 2009 my guess is that is when a new Seti version started using that file.

But it would at least made things easier if the data were in there.

James
15) Questions and Answers : Windows : Inconclusive results (Message 1229189)
Posted 814 days ago by Profile Interstel
Thank you all for the information.

James
16) Questions and Answers : Windows : Long validation time (Message 1229188)
Posted 814 days ago by Profile Interstel
I actually posted elsewhere as the input seemed valid to that thread. I didn't think it was my fault I was looking for clarification.

I like the info about my IP you posted as that is IP and my ISP since I am my own ISP grin it says Peter Life LLP because that was the necessity of getting an ARIN permanent block of /20 addresses since 2004.

I have posted I think more than 10 posts in 11 years as I mostly have just let SETI run on as many machines as I can. Unfortunately over the years I've downsized the staff so what used to be about 5 machines running as turned into my heavy duty design station running it 24x7x365 on 6 of 8 CPUs.

Since you seem well informed is there anyway to take an "ap_19dc11ae_B2_P0_00009_20120408_17962.wu_1" and the associated entries in the local machine based job log and find out what the original resultid is?

James

17) Message boards : Number crunching : Historical WU user view results (Message 1228936)
Posted 815 days ago by Profile Interstel
Is there any way to see a history of the WU results you have generated besides the most current validated or pending validation?

As I have noticed some people talking about "inconclusive" results and I've had a few but didnt save a link about them and I was wondering if there was a way to look at the WU's you have had completed and validated historically?

James
18) Message boards : Number crunching : Completed Too Late To Validate - the Hostage AP 5.05 Work Units (Message 1228932)
Posted 815 days ago by Profile Interstel
I had something similar just occur on this. Nearly 2 1/2 months after I submitted it finally awarded credit but said too late to validate yet I had sent it back in about a week.

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/result.php?resultid=2302170780
19) Questions and Answers : Windows : Inconclusive results (Message 1228929)
Posted 815 days ago by Profile Interstel
Does the system automatically note such results or do we need to report them for further inquiry?

James

20) Questions and Answers : Windows : Long validation time (Message 1228927)
Posted 815 days ago by Profile Interstel
I have a followup to my original post about about a work unit that was unvalidatd for 2 1/2 months.

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/result.php?resultid=2302170780

It finally validated and I received credit but the system said that it was reported too late. Is that a bug in the system? Because it was created and sent on Feb 6 and I returned on the 14th. With the due date March 2nd. So how can it be "Task was reported too late to validate"?

That doesn't seem to make sense.

James.


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