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41) Message boards : Politics : "Great Grand Parents Maths!" (Message 1540349)
Posted 12 Jul 2014 by Profile SciManStevProject donor
What about the spouses that died, and were replaced by another? What about the spouses that had relations with many others? I think it is much more complicated than some simplistic calculations. One father could potentially have hundreds of children, with dozens of different women. In early history, I wouldn't begin to decipher who was with who.

Steve
42) Message boards : Politics : Afterlife? (Message 1540284)
Posted 12 Jul 2014 by Profile SciManStevProject donor
Here is what I see.
When a person is born, they start a change that will continue over their entire life. When they are young, they think one way, and that thinking changes as they age. There is no root "You", but a representation based on your particular stage of life, and countless environmental and chemical factors.

When a person uses an antidepressant, their way of thinking changes.

When a person drinks coffee, or alcohol, their thinking changes.

When a person takes a hallucinogen, their very essence changes.

When someone survives a brain injury, or a stoke, the person is forever changed.

If a piece of the brain is removed, that particular functionality is forever lost.

However, if you cut the whole head off and the person dies, then the soul floats up to heaven like nothing ever happened..... That just makes no sense to me at all.

The brain is not something that just does all your thinking. It is you. You can transplant many organs, but if it were possible to do a brain transplant, "You" would be lost, and the person whose brain was the donor would continue in your body.

However unlikely, I could see the possibility, in keeping a living head connected to machines for some lengthy period of time, and it would still be a "You", although the though processes would be a result of environmental and chemical stimuli.

In some cases, when a person is near death, chemicals are going wild in the brain, causing neurons to fire is unusual ways. When a person's brain actually dies, there is no more person.

What is being dead like?
Exactly what it was like the billions of years before the person was born.
I was completely unaware of the formation of the universe, or even this planet.
When I am gone, I haven't seen the slightest bit of evidence to suggest that I will ever have known that I was once alive.

Steve
43) Message boards : Politics : "Great Grand Parents Maths!" (Message 1540277)
Posted 12 Jul 2014 by Profile SciManStevProject donor
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2013/12/131204-human-fossil-dna-spain-denisovan-cave/

New tests on human bones hidden in a Spanish cave for some 400,000 years set a new record for the oldest human DNA sequence ever decoded—and may scramble the scientific picture of our early relatives.


Steve
44) Message boards : Politics : First Scientific Proof Of God Found (Message 1539195)
Posted 10 Jul 2014 by Profile SciManStevProject donor
So much for genetic diversity.
I guess we are all in-breeds.
No wonder there are so many people that are blind, deaf, autistic, or physically deformed......

Steve
45) Message boards : Politics : Religion - is one better than another? (Message 1537567)
Posted 7 Jul 2014 by Profile SciManStevProject donor
This is a fantastic story by Julia Sweeny of how she became an atheist.
I have mentioned it in links previously, but this is the full 2 hours on YouTube.
This is entertaining, logical, thought provoking, and just good.

If you have the two hours, it is definitely worth it.

Letting Go of God

Steve
46) Message boards : Politics : First Scientific Proof Of God Found (Message 1535611)
Posted 3 Jul 2014 by Profile SciManStevProject donor

I haven't read 'The Epic of Gilgamesh' but I believe the flood story is more or less a direct copy?
It is known the sea level rose about 300ft after last ice age, several town and villages have been found off the coast in the Mediterranean. Another theory is the land bridges across Bosporus and between med and Atlantic were breached causing widespread flooding and destruction. May well have been several thousand years of folk tales before anything was written down


Yes, you are correct!
I am still at work, and can't respond as I would like.
The bottom line is following the geological evidence.

Steve
47) Message boards : Politics : First Scientific Proof Of God Found (Message 1535588)
Posted 3 Jul 2014 by Profile SciManStevProject donor
When I was young, I liked Greek Mythology. I enjoyed reading the stories.
What I am learning in the present day, is how some of those stories were constructed. Is there any physical evidence behind them, or are they complete fiction. Many of the shows I watch, provide evidence for connections of events.

I also watch a lot of how the earth and universe were formed. I studied music when I was a boy, and learned piano, clarinet, and guitar. I am not very good any more, but I gained an understanding of how music is composed. I was drum major of my high school band, and student conductor. I have also studied martial arts for close to 40 years.

Learning is not confined to just science, but being well rounded in today's world is a bonus.

When we look back at Egyptian tombs, there is a lot we can learn about the culture. One interesting thing I learned about the Spynx, is that the wear of the stone, was actually caused by water, not wind. The Spynx has been completely buried several times, and unearthed later. Because of the water erosion, the age of the Spynx is actually around 12,000 years, as the climate was wet back then. By making measurements of the Spynx's head, it has been determined that it was carved from a person of a different race than the Pharo Chefron, which it has been thought to represent.

The walls of Jerico came down because it is on a geological fault. They have been rocked many times in the past by earth quakes.

Science leads the way to discovery. It tests, and retests itself, and therefor self corrects. Studying the past, using archeology is a great way to weed the fact from the fiction. Large events leave records. Tsunami waves leave sediment where there normally was none, and it can be dated.

Evidence leads to more accurate conclusions.
As to your research, the book you are using is highly questionable as fact, and I backed that up with references to those books. What DNA results would you get from a Russian Bible, or one written in Ancient Greek? As Winternight pointed out, DNA hadn't been discovered or named for close to 2000 years after the time of Jesus. It makes no sense at all to pull code from ancient text under those conditions.

Steve
48) Message boards : Politics : First Scientific Proof Of God Found (Message 1535564)
Posted 3 Jul 2014 by Profile SciManStevProject donor
I am 100% Atheist, not a closet Christian.
I have also watched TV shows on Biblical stories. It seems the story of Noah, was likely copied from another story several hundred years before.

Also, there are interesting similarities between the life of Jesus, and Odysseus from Homer's Odyssey. It almost seems much was copied from the earlier story 800 years prior. This is certainly not confirmed, but one TV show did point out the similarities.

I have no problem learning about and understanding history. By understanding history, I can better understand the present. I can discuss things with others, and not be completely ignorant of the discussion.

I assure you, there is no religious belief in me at all. I have no problem with others that do, and many are my friends. I do have a strong comprehension of science, and I learn new things every day. Every time I am wrong, is an opportunity to get it right the next time.

Knowledge is power.

Steve
49) Message boards : Politics : First Scientific Proof Of God Found (Message 1535528)
Posted 3 Jul 2014 by Profile SciManStevProject donor

This is also what I meant with this book.

Misquoting Jesus: The Story Behind Who Changed the Bible and Why

....

The editorial reviews are copyrighted, so I won't copy them here, but they can be read on the web page. This book was fascinating, along with his many other books. I highly recommend them to anyone who wants to know how the Bible was constructed, and what it is really saying.

Steve

Steve,
Your a self professed Man of Science. So why are you reading books about the Bible, and recommending that we read them too?

John.

Because they are written as history. These are not teaching religion in the traditional sense, but reality. Many people who read the Bible every week in church, have no idea how it was actually constructed. They usually don't teach that in church, as many of the followers would actually start thinking......

Steve
50) Message boards : Politics : First Scientific Proof Of God Found (Message 1535505)
Posted 3 Jul 2014 by Profile SciManStevProject donor
Play the game of "Telephone" where by one person reads a short paragraph to another and this is repeated a half dozen times to others. The resulting story that comes out the other end will look nothing like what went in. All of this was in the same language remember. Not so from Aramaic to Greek to Latin and so on.
Then there is the problem of slang, puns and poetic license in the original that doesn't translate well into English. Especially when the original Greek was a translation from Hebrew. We get Jesus riding into Jerusalem on two donkeys.

The Hebrew said;
Zechariah 9:9
“Behold, your King is coming to you;
He is just and having salvation,
Lowly and riding on a donkey,
A colt, the foal of a donkey.
In Hebrew that was poetic to say the same thing two ways.

Mathew translated it;
Matthew 21:1-11
The disciples went and did just as Jesus had instructed them,
and brought the donkey and the colt, and laid their coats on them;
Mathew didn't fully understand Hebrew poetry.


This is also what I meant with this book.

Misquoting Jesus: The Story Behind Who Changed the Bible and Why

This is the book description.
For almost 1,500 years, the New Testament manuscripts were copied by hand––and mistakes and intentional changes abound in the competing manuscript versions. Religious and biblical scholar Bart Ehrman makes the provocative case that many of our widely held beliefs concerning the divinity of Jesus, the Trinity, and the divine origins of the Bible itself are the results of both intentional and accidental alterations by scribes.

In this compelling and fascinating book, Ehrman shows where and why changes were made in our earliest surviving manuscripts, explaining for the first time how the many variations of our cherished biblical stories came to be, and why only certain versions of the stories qualify for publication in the Bibles we read today. Ehrman frames his account with personal reflections on how his study of the Greek manuscripts made him abandon his once ultra–conservative views of the Bible.


The editorial reviews are copyrighted, so I won't copy them here, but they can be read on the web page. This book was fascinating, along with his many other books. I highly recommend them to anyone who wants to know how the Bible was constructed, and what it is really saying.

Steve
51) Message boards : Politics : First Scientific Proof Of God Found (Message 1534929)
Posted 2 Jul 2014 by Profile SciManStevProject donor
Definition of Faith - strong belief in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual conviction rather than proof.

There is no evidence that there are any gods or supernatural beings. Therefore it is the religious people, like yourself, that believe in nothing.

I don't believe, I look for evidence and that is sadly lacking in all religions. If there is no evidence then theories or beliefs cannot be proven.

Therefore from the definition of Faith, as there is no proof, Atheists do not have Faith.

+1

Steve
52) Message boards : Politics : First Scientific Proof Of God Found (Message 1534041)
Posted 30 Jun 2014 by Profile SciManStevProject donor
Why don't you read those books I referenced. They are written by people holding PHD's in theology.

I think they will open your eyes quite a bit.
These are historical facts, not lies.

Steve
53) Message boards : Politics : First Scientific Proof Of God Found (Message 1533993)
Posted 30 Jun 2014 by Profile SciManStevProject donor
Flesh and blood human beings have been passing down that exact same book, the Christian Bible for thousands of years.


Sorry, but that is wrong.

The original texts were first written 70, 80, and 90 years after Jesus died, and we no longer have any of the original texts. Next the writing we do have, was copied by scribes thousands of times. Many of the scribes couldn't even read, so changes were introduced. Many of the changes were introduced accidentally, and others were politically motivated. A great example is the prejudice toward women. That was not part of the older texts, but appeared later. Total changes to the Bible, are anywhere between 25,000 times at the low end, to 400,000 times at the high end. The changes didn't stop until the first printing press was developed.

Sometime the same scribe would make several copies of the Bible, each of them being a little different from the other. Also, 11 books of the Bible are forgeries, meaning they were not written by the people who they were attributed to. Suppose you were an unknown person who wanted to add something. Nobody is going to listen to you, but if you wrote as if you were Mark, then you had some traction. Currently there are approximately 5000 different versions of the Bible, all of which differ from each other.

So when you state that the same book has been passed down for thousands of years, that is just not true. Also, since the first writings didn't happen for 70 years after the fact, we are still less than 2000 years.

Sources of reference:
Misquoting Jesus: The Story Behind Who Changed the Bible and Why

How to Read the Bible: A Guide to Scripture, Then and Now

Steve

Edit: I forgot one point of reference.
Forged: Writing in the Name of God--Why the Bible's Authors Are Not Who We Think They Are
54) Message boards : Politics : More on how Neo-Darwinism has it wrong again... (Message 1533385)
Posted 28 Jun 2014 by Profile SciManStevProject donor
I agree with Julie.
Calculations have shown there isn't enough mass in the universe to cause that. Also, you have the acceleration of expansion, which hasn't yet been shown to be slowing down, so as far as I can see, there isn't any evidence to support a crunch.

Steve
55) Message boards : Cafe SETI : animal care (Message 1530254)
Posted 20 Jun 2014 by Profile SciManStevProject donor
Vic. have you thought about PUR or Brita filters? They can remove many of the minerals, and are not too expensive. I think PUR is the better of the two, but I am not certain.

We have very good water, but are down to two cats now. They throw up very seldom, but the older ones threw up quite often when they were alive.

Steve
56) Message boards : Number crunching : CLOSED*SETI/BOINC Milestones [ v2.0 ] - XXVII*CLOSED (Message 1530204)
Posted 20 Jun 2014 by Profile SciManStevProject donor
15 Year anniversary today. My computer is sick at the moment, and only crunches occasionally, but I will fix it in August as funds permit.

I love the 15 Year anniversary tee shirts!

Steve
57) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Happy Birthday, Angela! (Message 1520731)
Posted 24 May 2014 by Profile SciManStevProject donor
I hope you have a wonderful birthday!

Steve
58) Message boards : Cafe SETI : animal care (Message 1517389)
Posted 17 May 2014 by Profile SciManStevProject donor
The quality of pet foods does make a difference, but usually, they higher quality, the higher the cost. Here is a quick break down of the common foods for cats.

http://www.petfoodratings.org/quick-cat-food-reference-table/

Steve
59) Message boards : SETI@home Science : How will the universe end - with a bang or with a whimper? (Message 1517271)
Posted 17 May 2014 by Profile SciManStevProject donor
I do worry

Why? You and I will never know one way or the other in our lifetimes, whether anyone else exists out there. So what? If we find them we do, if not we don't. In the meantime this life of ours that we do have here and now, is rather more important.

+2

That reminds me of my own saying. "In the short term, everything matters. In the long term, nothing matters."

In the day to day events of our lives, we all need to pay bills, provide food, and worry about relationships and other issues. At some point, assuming man manages to survive that long, the sun will swallow the earth, and every trace of what we are, will be incinerated, except for the radio waves we have sent into space.

As I indicated in another thread, if you take the entire age of the earth from beginning to end, and shrank it to one millisecond, the rest of the known universe would last a trillion years.

Steve
60) Message boards : SETI@home Science : How will the universe end - with a bang or with a whimper? (Message 1517119)
Posted 16 May 2014 by Profile SciManStevProject donor
From my understanding, there is not enough matter in the universe to cause a big crunch, and that possibility has been ruled out. I believe this is true even without out dark matter or dark energy, but the rate of expansion is increasing. As dark energy seems to be the reason, and there is not enough mass in the universe to collapse it, then it looks like we are on a one way trip.

One of the M-theory ideas, is that two branes are waving, and somehow come in contact at various places every few trillion years. The result would be another universe, however, if that were to occur within our existing universe, it would be like a fireworks display, with one bang filling in the gaps of the previous one.

Steve

Edit: of course our universe is only 13.75 billion years old, so trillions of years is still quite a way off.


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