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1) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows 10 - Yea or Nay? (Message 1810211)
Posted 8 days ago by Profile AllenIN
I have an update request on one of my machines that is about 300 megs and for the heck of it I told it to go ahead.

I let it set there for about 15 minutes and it never did download anything. Figuring that I had done something wrong, I rebooted and tried it again, still nothing. I guess they don't really want to update my machine and are just teasing me....ha!

This was a phenomenon I noticed a while back when getting updates from MS directly and when getting updates from my local WSUS server.

When checking for--and downloading--updates from MS, there seems to be a ton of disk activity and CPU usage, as the Update client is scanning all the files on your computer that would be affected by the update, to see if you need portions of it or not. You end up downloading only part of the update because you don't need all of it.

When checking for--and downloading--updates from WSUS, there is minimal disk activity and CPU usage, and the download starts almost right away and begins installing, because it doesn't check the individual files that would be affected, it's just a simple check of "X update is available on the server and is not currently installed on the client machine. Begin downloading update to install on client machine."



Especially with larger updates, when downloading directly from MS, you'll have to let it sit for a while.


Thanks for the great explanation. Never thought of it that way before. Makes sense. Guess I've got a plan for Saturday, where I can keep an eye on it.
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2) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows 10 - Yea or Nay? (Message 1810037)
Posted 9 days ago by Profile AllenIN
I let it set there for about 15 minutes and it never did download anything. Figuring that I had done something wrong, I rebooted and tried it again, still nothing. I guess they don't really want to update my machine and are just teasing me....ha!

I think there's something broken in the update client right now. Had a Win7 box the other night that sat forever showing 0% complete on updates, couldn't seem to get them to download, but when I went to look at detail, they were all there waiting for install ... did a shutdown and everything loaded, eventually ...


Thanks for the info. I didn't leave it running overnight or even for hours, so perhaps it may have downloaded sorta in the blind if I had let it. Might try that, but I really hate to leave anything unattended with MS on the other end.
3) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows 10 - Yea or Nay? (Message 1810001)
Posted 9 days ago by Profile AllenIN
I have an update request on one of my machines that is about 300 megs and for the heck of it I told it to go ahead.

I let it set there for about 15 minutes and it never did download anything. Figuring that I had done something wrong, I rebooted and tried it again, still nothing. I guess they don't really want to update my machine and are just teasing me....ha!
4) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows 10 - Yea or Nay? (Message 1809787)
Posted 10 days ago by Profile AllenIN
What do you expect.....look who's running MS now.
5) Message boards : Number crunching : How does Boinc decide which WU it will run next? (Message 1809784)
Posted 10 days ago by Profile AllenIN
Thank you all for trying to get my thick head to understand the system.

I guess what I really need to do, now that I have your understanding of the system, is to observe some of the dates and movement of WU's through my systems. Perhaps I have it set to store too many units, but this is not all my fault as I have been stuck with nothing to run on more than one occasion when I had my settings for far fewer wu's.

I will say that I am running some wu's for October currently, while I have wu's due in a week or so just setting there. To me, that seems odd, but as I said, I'll have to do a little studying to see what is really going down.

Thanks again for your kind help.....all of you.

Allen
6) Message boards : Number crunching : How does Boinc decide which WU it will run next? (Message 1809448)
Posted 11 days ago by Profile AllenIN
Unless there's a danger of a missed deadline, it runs them in the order they were received from the server. First In, First Out. Simple as that.


If that is the case, and I'm sure it is since you are the one saying so, why does it sometimes stop an in progress WU and run another one that it has just received?

The size of your cache, how often your system is set to check for work, the time it takes to process work, any other projects you might have & their settings, the time your system is able to process work all go in to determining if there is the chance of a missed deadline.


Well in my case, I am only running Seti and I have no fancy settings, but it is not unusual for me to be running for instance, 3 cpu wu's that are due a month away and have some due in two weeks just setting there.

I thought that perhaps Bonic was choosing to run wu's that had already been completed by wingmen and would choose to run them before running first in first out.
7) Message boards : Number crunching : How does Boinc decide which WU it will run next? (Message 1808994)
Posted 13 days ago by Profile AllenIN
Unless there's a danger of a missed deadline, it runs them in the order they were received from the server. First In, First Out. Simple as that.


If that is the case, and I'm sure it is since you are the one saying so, why does it sometimes stop an in progress WU and run another one that it has just received?
8) Message boards : Number crunching : How does Boinc decide which WU it will run next? (Message 1808591)
Posted 15 days ago by Profile AllenIN
Just curious, I'm a bit anal I guess, but does anyone know why Boinc runs WU's in the order that it runs them? You would think that it would run them by due dates, but that is clearly not what it does.

Thanks
9) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows 10 - Yea or Nay? (Message 1807157)
Posted 22 days ago by Profile AllenIN
And I'm presuming that it will take an act of God for a non-volume licensed, or should I say a non-enterprise licensed individual to acquire such a version, if it's even possible at all? Doesn't leave us end users with many good options after 2020 then, sadly, when are going to get XP'ed. Unless we suck it up and move to 8, to buy a couple more years. I guess the saying is accurate, Resistance is Futile, you will be Assimilated...


Their is always Linux.
10) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows 10 - Yea or Nay? (Message 1805663)
Posted 28 days ago by Profile AllenIN
I have decided to stay with what I have now. If that becomes an unworkable option in the future....hello linux.

I'm tired of dancing through MS's hoops and I don't like supporting them anyway.
I wonder what the percentages are here at Seti though. Those that took the plunge and those who did not.
11) Message boards : Number crunching : Boinc won't run on new install......HELP! (Message 1805659)
Posted 28 days ago by Profile AllenIN
Perhaps sometime in the future I will come across some more clues and finally solve this unusual problem.

Process Monitor might be the best option.

Fire it up, run the BOINC installer, then check to see what was happening just prior to the BEX64 error.


Definitely a good idea. Will try it the next time I go hunting...grin

Thanks!
12) Message boards : Number crunching : Boinc won't run on new install......HELP! (Message 1805656)
Posted 28 days ago by Profile AllenIN
You could check stderrdae.txt in BOINC's data directory if the client had a chance to log the error there.

Did you try 7.6.33?


I didn't even know there was a 7.6.33.

When I try it again, I will check the err file.

Thanks!
13) Message boards : Number crunching : Boinc won't run on new install......HELP! (Message 1804319)
Posted 22 Jul 2016 by Profile AllenIN
Just thought that I would get back to you all with my dismal results after checking out all of the suggestions.

Unfortunately nothing worked and I am back to running the older version of Boinc.
At least I am able to run.

Perhaps sometime in the future I will come across some more clues and finally solve this unusual problem.

Thanks to all for giving it a shot!

Allen
14) Message boards : Number crunching : Boinc won't run on new install......HELP! (Message 1803980)
Posted 21 Jul 2016 by Profile AllenIN
One possible solution is to add a start up delay to your cc_config.xml file:

<start_delay>nseconds</start_delay>


I had to do this on one of my crunchers some time ago for much the same reason as you are suffering just now - I think I used a 120 second delay.
The delay gives the drivers time to get going properly before BOINC starts to do its system probing to see what hardware is available.

edit:
Under Windoze 7 the default location of cc_config is c:\ProgramData\BOINC (by default this folder is hidden)


Rob,

That didn't go so well. My c:\ProgramData\BOINC directory doesn't even have a cc_config.xml file in it. Do I need to make one?

Allen
15) Message boards : Number crunching : Boinc won't run on new install......HELP! (Message 1803978)
Posted 21 Jul 2016 by Profile AllenIN
One possible solution is to add a start up delay to your cc_config.xml file:

<start_delay>nseconds</start_delay>


I had to do this on one of my crunchers some time ago for much the same reason as you are suffering just now - I think I used a 120 second delay.
The delay gives the drivers time to get going properly before BOINC starts to do its system probing to see what hardware is available.

edit:
Under Windoze 7 the default location of cc_config is c:\ProgramData\BOINC (by default this folder is hidden)


Some things are just so darn finicky..guess that's another one I'll have to try and since it's the simplest, I guess I'll try it first.

Thanks!
16) Message boards : Number crunching : Boinc won't run on new install......HELP! (Message 1803975)
Posted 21 Jul 2016 by Profile AllenIN
The most useful link I've been able to find concerning "Problem Event Name:BEX64" issues.
What does event BEX64 mean?

There are some references that BEX stands for "Buffer Overflow Exception" and is somehow related to Data Execution Prevention.
...

Indicates a buffer overflow (/GS) or DEP exception (BEX64 indicates a buffer overflow (/GS) or DEP exception on 64-bit versions of Windows)

I translate that to a couple of programmes interfering with each other, and in this case the BOINC installer comes off second best.


Found another site, and there the issue relates to a programme having issues with extremely long file names on some folders. Remove the folder with the extremely long file name & no more BEX64 errors.

Very odd and interesting. Should I go hunting.....grin Perhaps I should!


Fixing BEX64 error nvcplui.exe

BEX64 NVcplui.exe and nvgames.dll error in manage 3d settings
In process monitor, it showed that the nvcplui.exe was for some reason interacting with these long named folders/directories. Many programs are not designed to recognize or handle long names like the above example and usually will crash. Sure enough that was the problem. I moved all my folders and personal stuff off the desktop and to a different partition (in this case D drive). I then relaunched the application and the manage 3d settings worked perfectly. To test if this was the problem, I put back the items I had moved off the desktop and launched the application again and sure enough it crashed at the manage3d settings.
17) Message boards : Number crunching : Boinc won't run on new install......HELP! (Message 1803973)
Posted 21 Jul 2016 by Profile AllenIN
Does anyone have any thoughts on this?

The only thing that comes to mind would be to re-download the new BOINC version, and make sure you've got the right one (32 or 64bit).

http://boinc.berkeley.edu/download_all.php



EDIT- the only way to upgrade from a 32 to 64bit OS is a clean installation.



EDIT- Problem Event Name: BEX64 gives a few hits, and several of them relate to AV programmes and 3rd party programmes that monitor the system & interfere with the startup of the installer.


Hi Grant. I noticed that too, but disabled the AV program during installation and it makes me wonder why the old version 7.0.46 (I think) will work but not the newer ones.

The installation was a clean install to 64 bit Win7, but it was to the same disk drive that the older Vista 32 bit was on. I assume that Win7 automatically reformatted the drive on installation. I'm sure the new d/l of Boinc is 64 bit, but I will d/l it again and try to reinstall per your suggestion. Thanks!

Allen
18) Message boards : Number crunching : Boinc won't run on new install......HELP! (Message 1803836)
Posted 21 Jul 2016 by Profile AllenIN
Yes Bob, it was. I was running an old version of Boinc on it at that time and when I upgraded to the newer version/s it would not or could not contact seti.
Now I have reverted back to the old version and it is running again. I would like to update though, to the new version of Boinc, but I don't yet know how.

Just before reading your post, I read another post and it gave me an idea as to what may have happened. You see, I was running this same hard drive in another system that was running 32 bit Vista, but I upgraded the system to Windows 7 64 bit. While you would think that everything on the drive would have been scrubbed when I loaded Win7, who really knows for sure.

Does anyone have any thoughts on this?


Edit: BTW, windows update did nothing for the problem.

Thanks!
19) Message boards : Number crunching : Boinc won't run on new install......HELP! (Message 1803796)
Posted 20 Jul 2016 by Profile AllenIN
Okay, tried updating drives and got all the same errors even with the latest version of Boinc. *;(

Trying a reboot and if it still doesn't work I will look at Windose Updating..Ugh
20) Message boards : Number crunching : Boinc won't run on new install......HELP! (Message 1803794)
Posted 20 Jul 2016 by Profile AllenIN
Odd thing is that no matter what version of Boinc I install, it fails to run.

Win7 has all it's Service packs & updates?
Anti virus programme might be tacking exception to BOINC and killing it's processes?
Did you select the option to "Allow all users on this computer to control NBOINC?"

Yes on thye Allow all users, but no up Windows updates.

BTW, I do keep getting this error when I investigate....

Problem Event Name: BEX64
Application Name: boinc.exe
Application Version: 7.4.42.0
Application Timestamp: 54fdfbf1
Fault Module Name: boinc.exe
Fault Module Version: 7.4.42.0


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