Posts by StormKing

21) Message boards : Politics : Political Thread [23] (Message 945080)
Posted 4 Nov 2009 by Profile StormKing
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"The real destroyer of the liberties of the people is he who spreads among them bounties, donations and benefits." --Greek historian Plutarch (c. 46-120 A.D.)

Newspulper Headlines:

A Republic, if You Can Keep It: "King: One Year After Obama's Victory" --CNN.com

If This Is News, Crime Must Really Be Down: "Burglary Reported in North America" --Daily Register (Harrisburg, IL)

Is That Like Being Too Big to Fail?: "Lawyer Says Florida Man Is Too Fat to Kill in New Jersey Murder Case" --ABCNews.com

We Still Predict He'll Die: "Revealed: Lockerbie Bomber Defies Doctors' Prediction of Death" --Daily Telegraph (London)

Pigeons Land Safely After Hitting Planes -- Now That Would Be News: "Northwest Plane Lands Safely After Hitting Pigeons" --FoxNews.com

Everything Seemingly Is Spinning Out of Control: "Animals Take Over Downtown Library" --Free Lance-Star (Fredericksburg, VA)

News You Can Use: "Feminism Wasn't Meant to Guarantee Happiness" --Arizona Daily Star (Tucson)

Bottom Stories of the Day: "$900 Billion House Health-Care Reform Bill Likely to Cost More Than $900 Billion" --Reason.com

(Thanks to The Wall Street Journal's James Taranto)
22) Message boards : Politics : The State of the Economy (Message 945079)
Posted 4 Nov 2009 by Profile StormKing
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tell that to the folks still looking for a job


Give them some credit... They might be smarter than you think.

Anyway, the job market comprises only a portion of the economy. See past posts for more info.
23) Message boards : Politics : Political Thread [23] (Message 945077)
Posted 4 Nov 2009 by Profile StormKing
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W put a down payment on the financial woes of this country in general. He ignored everything and everyone. Tossed out $600 checks to stimulate the economy. then got himself into not 1 but 2 endless wars. Wars that he refused to have financed by the normal annual means but by emergency spending every couple of months. making his annual budget look lean and mean. In reality it was just mean to try and fool us.

Article I Section 7: All Bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives;
That wasn't W.

yes it was. The request for the money comes in the form of the federal budget. WHen the executive dept intentionally fudges about what they need money for it most certainly is theri problem. But then I'd be arguing that the color orange is really not a color but a manifestation of light hitting the rods and cones coating the retina.

Emergency spending was requested quarterly from the W administration to support the war. Its nice to know how things financial start in congress. Its also nice to know that federal depts must request money from congress as part of the budget. Neglecting to ask for money was intentional and also made the budget look lean. The emergency spending is no more than what Obama is doing now. The only difference is that Obama doesnt expect Americans to be so easily fooled by past tactics. Its called being honest. He so far budget wise appears to be so


Belief that there is such thing as an 'honest polition' should be discussed in Alt.conspiracy, imo... lol
24) Message boards : Politics : Political Thread [23] (Message 944894)
Posted 3 Nov 2009 by Profile StormKing
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W put a down payment on the financial woes of this country in general. He ignored everything and everyone. Tossed out $600 checks to stimulate the economy. then got himself into not 1 but 2 endless wars. Wars that he refused to have financed by the normal annual means but by emergency spending every couple of months. making his annual budget look lean and mean. In reality it was just mean to try and fool us.


old-hat. Let it go...
25) Message boards : Politics : The State of the Economy (Message 943916)
Posted 30 Oct 2009 by Profile StormKing
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Union leaders negotiated a deal with Ford that would save Ford UAW jobs and prevent Ford from sending more plants to Canada and Mexico. Members on the other hand are voting against the deal. Go figure...

Ford Bid for UAW Concessions Dims as Rejections Mount at Plants

The results mean that workers at 11 plants representing 16,300 United Auto Workers union members have turned down the deal, compared with approvals at 4 facilities with 6,100 employees. Ford has 41,000 workers represented by the UAW, whose leaders negotiated the accord.

“This never happens. It’s a vote of no confidence in the bargaining committee and a vote of no confidence in Ford,” said Gary Chaison, a labor professor at Clark University in Worcester, Massachusetts. “To reject a collective agreement at a time of economic difficulty is really a sign of desperation and anger.”

Ford, the only major U.S. automaker to avoid bankruptcy, is seeking concessions similar to those secured this year by General Motors Co. and Chrysler Group LLC. The contract changes include a six-year ban on strikes over wages and benefits and freezing wages of new hires until 2015.

Ford has said it needs the concessions to ensure that it doesn’t have a labor-cost disadvantage against GM and Chrysler, which also unloaded debt and closed plants as part of their restructuring in court.

Chaison said Ford may consider dropping the no-strike clause as a sweetener or adding some other inducement to get a positive result in a new round of balloting.

The automaker’s other option is to punish the UAW by making promised products in Canada or Mexico instead of the U.S., said David Cole, chairman of the Center for Automotive Research in Ann Arbor, Michigan.

“Where we will see the result of this failure is in a product announcement -- moving some business out that had been planned here,” he said.
26) Message boards : Politics : Fun with the same tired old Status Quo!! (Message 943908)
Posted 30 Oct 2009 by Profile StormKing
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when I calculated this out I found that the cost is abot $3000 a year which currently I pay 1/3 or so and the business I work for pays teh remainder. So basically I would have the same insurance as I had before. I want everyone to have at least what I have so lets do this. screw the numbers. We've thrown ourselves into Iraq without taking into account nor caring about the cost. It's about time we did something to level the playing field with the rest of the world on healthcare. American companies need this. We Need this.


We need this bill because we went into Iraq?

American companies will be forced to provide insurance or pay a fine, explain how that will make them more competitive with countries like Mexico or China.


"It's not free. ... Someone's going to have to pay for it and you bet it's going to be the taxpayer." --Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-CT) on the "public option"

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) unveiled an $894 billion health care takeover bill Thursday; the Congressional Budget Office puts the cost at $1.055 trillion. The bill, a combination of three separate committee bills, should be light reading for our nation's lawmakers, though -- it weighs in at a scant 1,990 pounds, er, pages.
27) Message boards : Politics : Alt.conspiracy (Message 943902)
Posted 30 Oct 2009 by Profile StormKing
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there are several reasons for vaccines being in short supply.
1) very few Companies make the vaccine. making the vaccine is time consuming and expensive to produce. thereby making it not very cost effective(zero gain) for companies that do produce it.
2) didease control scientists making their best guess at which 3 viruses they should produce vaccine for. unfortunately, some years the scientists strikeout and the vaccine is useless Funny thing is that even though we had this happen a few years ago, there was a barrage of ads to get that shot. A shot that did nothing.


That's not the point the article is making, keep reading.

See:
The Smashing Pumpkins suggests swine flu "is not a naturally occurring virus," and that "President Obama has declared a national emergency" when "there isn’t one"
28) Message boards : Politics : Alt.conspiracy (Message 943899)
Posted 30 Oct 2009 by Profile StormKing
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Too funny to pass up:
Happy Halloween!



'Pumpkins' Singer Claims Swine Flu Is An Obama Conspiracy

I love a conspiracy theory, how about you?

Although this one isn't necessarily new -- lots of folks have opined about the convenient coincidence of an escalating so-called pandemic mixed with an under-supply of vaccinations while the country debates healthcare reform -- it's all the more delicious when it comes from a rock star of some note.

With that in mind, when singer, songwriter, and leader of the now defunct alternative band The Smashing Pumpkins suggests swine flu "is not a naturally occurring virus," and that "President Obama has declared a national emergency" when "there isn’t one," you have to pay attention just for the entertainment value alone.

This is especially true given his status as a poet, for at least his conspiracy theory, unlike most, is well written (h/t Mediaite):

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If you follow some of the links I have been supplying as of late, you’ll notice many are focused on the propaganda build up to our day of reckoning with the Swine Flu virus. I say ‘propaganda’ because, in my heart, there is something mighty suspicious about declaring an emergency for something that has yet to show itself to be a grand pandemic. Our American President Obama has declared a national emergency about this virus, which he in his own words said was, at this point, a preventative measure. So, why declare an emergency if there isn’t one?

I am not a doctor, and I am in no way suggesting that you should follow any medical advice from me. What you do with your body, what you put into it, who you allow to love it or hate on it, is your business. I am more focused on the vibration that has us all so fearful: both for how the fear affects our thinking, and how, in our fear, we attract the worst, and, in conjunction with that, how those fears are used by others without integrity to try to create a power against Us to promote discomfort and dis-ease [sic]. [...]

I have friends that have gotten the swine flu. All of them told me they felt very, very sick, and that it was awful. So I’m not in any way suggesting that the H1N1 virus is not real.

I would suggest however that it is possible the virus is not a naturally occurring virus. I have read reports from people who say (as doctors) that there is evidence to suggest this virus was created by man; to call it Swine Flu is then a misnomer, as it really is Swine Flu plus some other stuff stitched together. These doctors said such genetic mutation was impossible in nature.

In reality, some of this is true. There have been a lot of credible reports, including one from Tamiflu creator Adrian Gibbs, that "swine flu might have been created using eggs to grow viruses and make new vaccines, and could have been accidently leaked to the general public."

But I digress, for Corgan was rolling to a rousing crescendo:

I for one will not be taking the vaccine. I do not trust those who make the vaccines, or the apperatus behind it all to push it on us thru fear. This is not judgment; it is a personal decision based on research, intuition, conversations with my doctor and my ‘family’. If the virus comes to take me Home, that is between me and the Lord. I have put up some of these links to inspire the question in you, so that perhaps you can make a better decision for yourself. That is what holistic life is about: a willingness to look at all the facts or opinions. [...]
If the propaganda machine kicked into overdrive about kindness, manners, working together, human ingenuity, and grace, then maybe I would view its function differently. But its current function is to maim and distort the truth, not to enlighten. How do I know this? Because it has fear attached to it, because it uses fear to move energy. Anything connected to fear is definitely not connected to Love or the promotion of Love.

Scaring the daylights out of you over a virus or an unseen enemy only weakens us. Calm, open debate, and logical thought drive strength to its maximum effectiveness. The system works broken, because it is to the system’s advantage to do so. The system pretends to have a limp and a heart so you’ll think it is both listening to you and incapable of moving too fast.

The state of Massachusetts here in America is about to sign into law (if it hasn’t already) for a mandatory vaccination. The state will have the power to come into your home and incarcerate you for being unwilling to comply with a vaccination order. Didn’t you hear? Soon, you won’t even have the choice to live OR die as you wish!

The deeper message here might be that people will soon be ready to abandon the idea of a paternalistic system that governs this world. Before doing so, we must face down our deeper fears about our own liberty and tolerance. The time is coming when we will cast votes with our hearts and not our minds.

Unwarranted paranoia maybe, but sprinkled with an alarming dash of truth concerning how fear is currently being used to manipulate the masses into supporting policies that are clearly not in their own best interest.

And just in time for Halloween.

Trick or treat!!!

—Noel Sheppard is the Associate Editor of NewsBusters. Follow him at Facebook and Twitter.

Edit: Add link to "credible reports"
29) Message boards : Politics : Obama - A New Hope? (Message 943888)
Posted 30 Oct 2009 by Profile StormKing
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From the 'Non Compos Mentis' File

In a no doubt fleeting act of fairness and balance, CNN's Campbell Brown actually stuck up for rival Fox News in an interview this week with White House adviser Valerie Jarrett. And it didn't take long for Jarrett's answers to turn humorous. Here's the exchange:

Brown: So do you think Fox News is biased?

Jarrett: Well, of course they're biased. Of course they are.

Brown: Okay. Then do you also think that MSNBC is biased?

Jarrett: Well, you know what? This is the thing. I don't want to -- actually, I don't want to just generalize all Fox is biased or that another station is biased. I think what we want to do is look at it on a case-by-case basis. And when we see a pattern of distortion, we're going to be honest about that pattern of distortion.

Brown: But you only see that at Fox News? That's all that -- you have spoken out about Fox News.

Jarrett: That's actually not true. I think that what the administration has said very clearly is that we're going to speak truth to power.

It's quite amusing how quickly Jarrett backpedaled when confronted with her own bias; she clearly wasn't prepared for the MSNBC question. Not that Brown acknowledged CNN's bias, mind you.

As for the tired old slogan "speaking truth to power," Jarrett might want to check her pay stub. She works for the White House, which is the very embodiment of power. Wall Street Journal columnist James Taranto quipped, "The job of those in power is not to 'speak truth to power,' though it would be nice if they spoke the truth once in a while."

Beyond this, when she said, "The American people are also smarter than that. Let them reach their own judgments based on the facts," she was also lying, for if the American people are indeed smarter than that, then they should be allowed to make their own decisions about which news organizations are telling the truth and which aren't.

Given how Fox destroys MSNBC in the ratings, it appears the people have already made that decision.
30) Message boards : Politics : Fun with the same tired old Status Quo!! (Message 943887)
Posted 30 Oct 2009 by Profile StormKing
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"It's not free. ... Someone's going to have to pay for it and you bet it's going to be the taxpayer." --Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-CT) on the "public option"

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) unveiled an $894 billion health care takeover bill Thursday; the Congressional Budget Office puts the cost at $1.055 trillion. The bill, a combination of three separate committee bills, should be light reading for our nation's lawmakers, though -- it weighs in at a scant 1,990 pounds, er, pages.
31) Message boards : Politics : Fun with the same tired old Status Quo!! (Message 943406)
Posted 28 Oct 2009 by Profile StormKing
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After 30 years of destructive deregulation--
we NEED more goverment (re)involvment in MANY areas...


Yeah, like regulate who gets elected! lol
32) Message boards : Politics : Fun with the same tired old Status Quo!! (Message 943390)
Posted 28 Oct 2009 by Profile StormKing
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Pretty much sums it up: "[Democrats] are trying on every front to increase the role of government." --Rep. Barney Frank (D-MA)
33) Message boards : Politics : Political Thread [23] (Message 943389)
Posted 28 Oct 2009 by Profile StormKing
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Newspulper Headlines:

What Were His Numbers in 1959?: "Barack Obama Sees Worst Poll Rating Drop in 50 Years" --Daily Telegraph (London)

And He Definitely Can't Walk on Water: "Obama Not Expected to Stop Traffic" --Advocate (Stamford, CT)

Keep 'Fighting Back,' Mr. President: "Endangered Fox Lives for Another Day" --Daily News (New York)

He's Not Satisfied With a Sweetheart Mortgage Deal?: "Dodd Wants Immediate Rate Freeze on Credit Cards" --Associated Press

We Blame Global Warming: "Polar Bear Flocke to Move to France" --MSNBC.com

Nothing Gets Past the FDA: "Sugar Cereals Are 'Smart Choices'? FDA Not So Sure" --Associated Press

Everything Seemingly Is Spinning Out of Control: "Kerry Becomes All-Around Adviser to Obama" --Associated Press

News You Can Use: "Bernanke: U.S. Should Cut Budget Deficit" --Associated Press

Bottom Stories of the Day: "Obama Expresses Frustration at Criticism" --Washington Examiner

(Thanks to The Wall Street Journal's James Taranto)
34) Message boards : Politics : Fun with the same tired old Status Quo!! (Message 943203)
Posted 27 Oct 2009 by Profile StormKing
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just remember that by owning it it means that we are taking control of it ourselves. Remember that we are the Gov't much to the folks in DC's dismay. So I'd rather have a universal health care as an option.
Honesty I just did my annual insurance renewal at work yesterday and they've increase the cost and reduced services again. the only thing that got better was the generic prescription cost which dropped from $10 to $5. unfortunately this becomes moot when you consider many pharmacies are selling major name generics at $4. My non generics went from $30 to $35. They also listened to my complaints about "non formalary drugs" drugs that are being used as intended but not what they want me to use. they changed the legal name to "non-Preferred"... Jerks.


At least we agree on one thing: insurance companies are JERKS!
35) Message boards : Politics : Fun with the same tired old Status Quo!! (Message 943202)
Posted 27 Oct 2009 by Profile StormKing
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The powers of congress are laid out in the constitution (article 1, section 8). All other powers are reserved to the states (Amendment X).


It could be argued that a national healthcare plan is a regulation of commerce between the States, Healthcare is a commercial enterprise afterall. Would that qualify such a proposal under the enumerated powers of Congress?

Regulate

to control or direct by a rule, principle, method


To control a commercial enterprise that spans the several states does appear to be implicit in the language of Article 1 Section 8, or am I willfully misreading it? "To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;", surely the most control of commerce is achieved by owning the enterprise?


You have a point if the current plan in congress could be called regulation. I am not convinced creating a public option could be called regulation (or whatever they plan on providing the public). Perhaps what is needed is more effective regulation? There is no doubt costs are out of control.

Almost forgot, you cannot sell health insurance across state lines (unfortunate).
36) Message boards : Politics : Political Thread [23] (Message 942981)
Posted 26 Oct 2009 by Profile StormKing
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37) Message boards : Politics : Fun with the same tired old Status Quo!! (Message 942979)
Posted 26 Oct 2009 by Profile StormKing
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The powers of congress are laid out in the constitution (article 1, section 8). All other powers are reserved to the states (Amendment X).

Further explanation:

At the heart of the American idea is the deep distrust and suspicion the founders of our nation had for government, distrust and suspicion not shared as much by today's Americans. Some of the founders' distrust is seen in our Constitution's language such as Congress shall not: abridge, infringe, deny, disparage, violate and deny. If the founders did not believe Congress would abuse our God-given rights, they would not have provided those protections. After all, one would not expect to find a Bill of Rights in Heaven; it would be an affront to God. Other founder distrust for government is found in the Constitution's separation of powers, checks and balances and the several anti-majoritarian provisions such as the Electoral College and the requirement that three-quarters of state legislatures ratify changes in the Constitution. The three branches of our federal government are no longer bound by the Constitution as the framers envisioned and what is worse is American ignorance and acceptance of such rogue behavior. Look at the current debate over government involvement in health, business bailouts and stimulus packages. The debate centers around questions as whether such involvement is a good idea or a bad idea and whether one program is more costly than another. Those questions are entirely irrelevant to what should be debated, namely: Is such government involvement in our lives permissible under the U.S. Constitution? That question is not part of the debate. The American people, along with our elected representatives, whether they're Republicans or Democrats, care less about what is and what is not permissible under our Constitution. They think Congress has the right to do anything upon which they can secure a majority vote, whether they have the constitutional or moral authority to do so or not." --George Mason economics professor Walter E. Williams
38) Message boards : Politics : Fun with the same tired old Status Quo!! (Message 942358)
Posted 23 Oct 2009 by Profile StormKing
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the reason they made so many things vague is that they were not able to see the future. They also knew that we'd have to have a bit of breathing room with the document. Had they not wanted people to have something it would have been enumerated.


The powers of congress are strictly enumerated, all other powers are granted to the states and to the people. See amendment X.
39) Message boards : Politics : Fun with the same tired old Status Quo!! (Message 942354)
Posted 23 Oct 2009 by Profile StormKing
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The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States;
http://tinyurl.com/RepuglycansSuck


Thank you for your post, at least you quote evidence.

My question: It is possible that what you are refering to is medicare/medicaid ?

The definition of "general welfare" is vague at best.

Furthermore, I am more interested in wether what Obama is doing is constitutional. No one is proposing universal healthcare here in the states (no bills have been proposed in congress). The constitution "might" support universal healthcare. But does it support Obamacare which is not fair or universal? It seems to just be another way to distribute wealth.

If the constitution did support obamacare, why can't our represenrtatives answer a simple question?
40) Message boards : Politics : Fun with the same tired old Status Quo!! (Message 942346)
Posted 23 Oct 2009 by Profile StormKing
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So you've made my point for me. Congress is allowed to create universal healthcare since it must be provided uniformly and the whole Universal health care arguement is to provide healthcare uniformly. Thanks for the help!!!


Circular reasoning.

Anyway, quote the passage in the constitution that supports your claim. I do not see it.

The constitution supports the idea that the states and the people are responsible for healthcare. See Amendment X.


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