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Message 1971135 - Posted: 20 Dec 2018, 2:33:43 UTC

Anyways, as the title says, Will Seti kill an SSD etc? im looking to upgrade my HD with an SSD and Im looking for any pros and cons from the experts here if possible regarding said upgrade. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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Message 1971137 - Posted: 20 Dec 2018, 2:57:02 UTC - in response to Message 1971135.  

Doubtful that Seti will harm your SSD. I use both and really no difference other than start up speed.
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Message 1971139 - Posted: 20 Dec 2018, 3:08:56 UTC

A SSD will outlast any hard drive from my experience. Mechanical things wear out. Modern SSD's have dozens of years of typical life.

SSD endurance is commonly described in terms of Drive Writes Per Day (DWPD) for a certain warranty period (typically 3 or 5 years). In other words, if a 1TB SSD is specified for 1 DWPD, it can withstand 1TB of data written to it every day for the warranty period.

Consumer SSD normally have a 3-5 year warranty. Prosumer SSD have a 5-10 year warranty.
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Message 1971152 - Posted: 20 Dec 2018, 4:42:53 UTC - in response to Message 1971137.  
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Doubtful that Seti will harm your SSD. I use both and really no difference other than start up speed.

Don't forget system responsiveness. Even if you've got oodles of RAM, a system with an SSD is much more responsive when starting and closing programmes, doing updates etc.

Even with heavy write use, about the only way to send an SSD to an early grave is if it's extremely low on free space (ie 5% or less).
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Message 1971282 - Posted: 21 Dec 2018, 0:31:37 UTC

Thanks all. Pretty much the answer I was looking for.

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Message 1971579 - Posted: 23 Dec 2018, 1:01:16 UTC - in response to Message 1971282.  

On my laptops two of which have SSDs, the only warnings I get are when I do a defrag. It is important to have a decent amount of free space though. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XZNr7mS0iw&t=4s
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Message 1971581 - Posted: 23 Dec 2018, 1:25:40 UTC - in response to Message 1971579.  
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I didn't think SSD's required defraging and if true that just puts unnecessary wear on them.
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Message 1971589 - Posted: 23 Dec 2018, 1:47:44 UTC - in response to Message 1971579.  

On my laptops two of which have SSDs, the only warnings I get are when I do a defrag.

Defragging SSDs is unnecessary, and is a great way to wear them out before their time.
On an OS that recognises flash based storage, the Disk Tools option for Defragging changes to Optimisation, and it basically runs the Trim command on the drive (it does what's known as garbage collection, which is generally done in the background).

Check and Enable or Disable SSD TRIM Support in Windows 7 / Windows 8.1
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Message 1971676 - Posted: 23 Dec 2018, 15:01:22 UTC

Defrag on Windows 10 does a trim. Defraggler also does a trim. Most of your commercial defrag programs probably do a trim after all these years.
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Message 1971800 - Posted: 24 Dec 2018, 11:28:42 UTC - in response to Message 1971676.  
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Defrag on Windows 10 does a trim. Defraggler also does a trim. Most of your commercial defrag programs probably do a trim after all these years.


That makes it sound like Trim is a command which needs to be triggered every so often.

It's not. It's a feature that is constantly used when switched on which it should be by default.

https://www.digitalcitizen.life/simple-questions-what-trim-ssds-why-it-useful

And as previously mentioned, you shouldn't be using a defrag program on an SSD
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Message 1971822 - Posted: 24 Dec 2018, 14:23:49 UTC - in response to Message 1971800.  

Defrag on Windows 10 does a trim. Defraggler also does a trim. Most of your commercial defrag programs probably do a trim after all these years.


That makes it sound like Trim is a command which needs to be triggered every so often.

It's not. It's a feature that is constantly used when switched on which it should be by default.

https://www.digitalcitizen.life/simple-questions-what-trim-ssds-why-it-useful

And as previously mentioned, you shouldn't be using a defrag program on an SSD

Greetings,

I have a major problem with the command mentioned in that article and another article I googled just to verify the first one.

If mine is set to 0 (zero) this is what I see: NTFS DisableDeleteNotify = 0 (Disabled)
If mine is set to 1 (one) this is what I see: NTFS DisableDeleteNotify = 1 (Enabled)

If 0 (zero) is enabled, why does it say "Disabled" and if 1 (one) is disabled why does it say "Enabled"?

I really hope there's a logical explanation for this.

Have a great day! :)

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Message 1971865 - Posted: 24 Dec 2018, 20:32:28 UTC - in response to Message 1971822.  

Siran,
Try this web site for Windows 10.
Check Trim in Win10
Those others deal with Win 7 & 8.1. The command is the same, but might give slightly different results in Win 10.
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Message 1971883 - Posted: 24 Dec 2018, 22:45:22 UTC - in response to Message 1971865.  

Siran,
Try this web site for Windows 10.
Check Trim in Win10
Those others deal with Win 7 & 8.1. The command is the same, but might give slightly different results in Win 10.

Hi Bruce,

Yeah, ok so they showed exactly what I see when I do the query.

Then, I have to ask who's brilliant idea was it to say that Trim is disabled when it is enabled, and enabled when it is disabled? When I first saw it I thought the first web article was wrong so I googled it and found another web article that said the same thing. I went to a third and then the one you linked and they say the same thing. There is no logic in what I see when I do the query, none. In my mind I should see (Enabled) after the 0 and (Disabled) after the 1.

Is that a Micro$oft thing? If so, that explains everything. I don't remember anything about this from Samsung when I got my M.2 and 1TB SSD and their Magician software.

Have a great day! :)

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Message 1971885 - Posted: 24 Dec 2018, 22:59:09 UTC - in response to Message 1971883.  
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Then, I have to ask who's brilliant idea was it to say that Trim is disabled when it is enabled, and enabled when it is disabled?

A programmer.

Of course you have to understand what question is actually being asked- The command is asking about the status of DisableDeleteNotify, not Trim.
The status of DisableDeleteNotify is the opposite of Trim. If it's active (1), Trim isn't. If it's isn't active (0), Trim is.

DisableDeleteNotify.
Disables (1) or enables (0) delete notifications. Delete notification (also known as trim or unmap) is a feature that will notify the underlying storage device of clusters that have been freed due to a file delete operation.

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Message 1971934 - Posted: 25 Dec 2018, 11:01:53 UTC - in response to Message 1971885.  

Then, I have to ask who's brilliant idea was it to say that Trim is disabled when it is enabled, and enabled when it is disabled?

A programmer.

Of course you have to understand what question is actually being asked- The command is asking about the status of DisableDeleteNotify, not Trim.
The status of DisableDeleteNotify is the opposite of Trim. If it's active (1), Trim isn't. If it's isn't active (0), Trim is.

DisableDeleteNotify.
Disables (1) or enables (0) delete notifications. Delete notification (also known as trim or unmap) is a feature that will notify the underlying storage device of clusters that have been freed due to a file delete operation.

Hi Grant,

First... Merry Christmas! :)

Thank you, thank you, thank you. Now that makes sense. I suppose there's actually no other way to get the status of Trim other than querying DisbleDeleteNotify. They should just drop the (Disable) and (Enable) from the query results. That would get rid of the confusion.

I saw information that Micro$oft Windows 10 actually does do a defrag on SSDs. If defragging them shortens the life of a SSD, why would Micro$oft do such a thing? Yeah, ok, that's like asking why Micro$oft puts out a crappy OS. lol ;) Micro$oft thinks they're the GOD of the computer world. lol ;)

Anyway, thanks again and have a great day Grant! :)

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