Anyone Else Lose Close To 1000000 SETI Points on Monday Nov 5th?

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Message 1964274 - Posted: 10 Nov 2018, 2:23:34 UTC

I'm still trying to determine what happened, but, according to BOINC Stats My Host had 888706 points deducted on Monday;
https://boincstats.com/en/stats/-1/host/detail/328182839/charts
So, how could that happen?
That would be this Host, https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/show_host_detail.php?hostid=6796479
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Message 1964279 - Posted: 10 Nov 2018, 2:47:40 UTC

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Message 1964287 - Posted: 10 Nov 2018, 3:02:07 UTC

I've seen BoincStats 'glitch' like that before. Normally occurs when someone else enters the host list with a new HostID. They will have negative numbers and appear on the lists as 'new'.

It corrects itself in a day or two. But your chart shows the event 5 days ago and I would have thought it would have auto corrected by now.

All my hosts just show nothing recorded for Wednesday the 7th and is normal for the day after the outage and the stats aren't exported in time from Seti for BoincStats to pick them up.
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Message 1964292 - Posted: 10 Nov 2018, 3:24:00 UTC - in response to Message 1964287.  
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Right now the Host total is reading 111,173,238 points. According to BOINC Stats it was higher on Sunday.
It certainly looks to be more than a Glitch to Me.
https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/show_host_detail.php?hostid=6796479
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Message 1964293 - Posted: 10 Nov 2018, 3:35:18 UTC
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I don’t see a corresponding drop on that day for your total credit across all systems.

Doesn’t look like you actually lost it. It just shows that it came off that host, but you still go up by about 450k every day.

https://boincstats.com/en/stats/-1/user/detail/16130223/lastDays

Seems like a kind of glitch/accounting problem.
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Message 1964294 - Posted: 10 Nov 2018, 3:43:47 UTC - in response to Message 1964293.  

Please explain how the Host Total Here, https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/show_host_detail.php?hostid=6796479 is Lower than it was on Sunday if points were not removed.
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Message 1964295 - Posted: 10 Nov 2018, 3:51:01 UTC
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I can’t explain how it comes off the host total.

I’m saying your USER total did not decrease. You did not lose the points. Seems like a glitch or mixup regarding that host’s stats, but you still got the credit to YOU one way or another.
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Message 1964296 - Posted: 10 Nov 2018, 4:00:50 UTC - in response to Message 1964295.  
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I see, so, you don't have a clue as to the original question,
So, how could that happen?
But, I shouldn't worry that what would take some people 19 years to accumulate was just removed from my Top Host.
Pardon me if I'm still concerned.
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Message 1964300 - Posted: 10 Nov 2018, 4:27:15 UTC - in response to Message 1964296.  

I'm sure it is just a glitch. To rectify, you are going to have to ask Willy to fix the lost credit via the BoincTasks Forums.
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Message 1964303 - Posted: 10 Nov 2018, 5:03:28 UTC - in response to Message 1964300.  
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So, how could a glitch on the BOINC Stats site result in the numbers on the SETI Server to be wrong?
I've never seen a BOINC Stats glitch show up on a SETI Webpage before. This certainly looks as though it is a SETI problem.
Have you ever had a glitch at that site show up on a SETI Server? It's usually the other way around.

Now FreeDC has finally come back on Line. They are Not showing a drop on the 5th, and showing the Total close to the SETI webpage. That would indicate the BOINC Stats has been showing the Wrong Total for some time....possibly. I'll look some more.
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Message 1964339 - Posted: 10 Nov 2018, 9:27:48 UTC - in response to Message 1964274.  

I'm still trying to determine what happened, but, according to BOINC Stats My Host had 888706 points deducted on Monday;
https://boincstats.com/en/stats/-1/host/detail/328182839/charts
So, how could that happen?
That chart is for your BOINC Combined total.

If you look at your SETI total for the same machine, https://boincstats.com/en/stats/0/host/detail/6796479/charts, there is no drop. The total looks compatible with your SETI records, bearing in mind that BOINCstats reporting is delayed.

My guess is that sometime, possibly years ago, you did some work for another BOINC project, and the other project was retired from BOINCstats. You'll have to ask Willy about that.
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Message 1964359 - Posted: 10 Nov 2018, 13:08:56 UTC

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Message 1964362 - Posted: 10 Nov 2018, 14:15:17 UTC - in response to Message 1964339.  
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My guess is that sometime, possibly years ago, you did some work for another BOINC project, and the other project was retired from BOINCstats. You'll have to ask Willy about that.
The only other Project the Host has run is SETI BETA. The BETA Total is close, 1,042,371, but still Kicking and a few thousand from 888k. It still wouldn't explain why BOINC Stats would be posting the wrong Total points for so long.

But... SETI BETA IS Missing from the Projects List, https://boincstats.com/en/stats/-1/host/detail/328182839/projectList
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Message 1964370 - Posted: 10 Nov 2018, 15:12:48 UTC - in response to Message 1964362.  

SETI Beta is still shown on my project list, although I'm not currently testing anything.

But the key thing is that you haven't lost any SETI credit. You've lost something else on the BOINC stats site, but that's not SETI's fault. You'll have to persue it there.
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Message 1964385 - Posted: 10 Nov 2018, 16:04:22 UTC
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If you look at the stats from your main SETI Beta page for you as a user, you'll see that your hosts are (at least now) "hidden"

https://boincstats.com/en/stats/19/user/detail/19465

I'm not sure if that is the root cause for the points deduction from that host, but maybe a clue into what's happening.

EDIT:
I looked through a few users who have participated in Beta and they also show hidden, but i guess aren't having this same problem, so maybe this isnt really meaningful. but users who seem to be actively participating show as having hosts. maybe it defaults to hidden after some time. I really don't know, just thinking out loud.
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Message 1964394 - Posted: 10 Nov 2018, 16:16:24 UTC

Ah. That might be the GDPR implementation kicking in (the same as the 'delete account' news on the front page). If you choose to be anonymous, then your credits are anonymous too.You can't be both public and private at the same time.
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Message 1964398 - Posted: 10 Nov 2018, 16:22:58 UTC - in response to Message 1964394.  

Ah. That might be the GDPR implementation kicking in (the same as the 'delete account' news on the front page). If you choose to be anonymous, then your credits are anonymous too.You can't be both public and private at the same time.

Ahh, that makes perfect sense now. I was sure the news about being able to delete accounts now was a response to the GDPR requirement.
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Message 1964413 - Posted: 10 Nov 2018, 16:50:56 UTC
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Nope, Never been Anonymous in either Project. I just checked the Beta Preferences and it was set to show the computers.
Just to make sure, I updated the Preferences again with it set to Show Computers. See if that makes any difference.

BTW, FreeDC is showing Beta fine, https://stats.free-dc.org/stats.php?page=hostbycpid&cpid=cf7a3a185069bbfc6cb97b73ddf61b2a
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