The only time I unplug drives is when I am cloning a boot drive onto another new drive. I never had to unplug drives to choose between which OS I wanted to boot from the BIOS Boot Override selector.

I too don't know why some people have major difficulty in installing Linux. I have run into small issues back in the beginning when I first tried Linux out but that was mainly from the lack of knowledge about terminology and what components of the OS do. There can be trip ups in the Live USB installer in my experience with monitor and video card detection. I have had to use nomodeset a few times to get to the desktop. And I disagree completely with the default use of quiet splash in the installer. What good does hiding the boot loading sequence when an error occurs that could tell you what the problem is. I guess the installer developers figure No One ever has any issue installing Linux and never needs that information.

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I have to wonder if the OS isn't capable of either handling the MoBo or the number of GPUs.

Sometimes certain hardware combinations don't work well with the installer. I've found Ubuntu to be similar to OSX in that you can move the installed system to another machine without any trouble. It might be better to install the system while the SSD is in a different, less complex machine, move it to the target machine and then run update-grub before installing the first updates. When you run update-grub the bootloader will detect Windows and add it to the OS list. It's worth a shot considering your previous troubles.

I have only installed Wine on one system to run BoincTasks after my Win8 Computer died on me, and I went into BT withdrawals while waiting for part to replace the motherboard.

On Ubuntu 16, I installed Wine, and Play on Linux (not sure if that one is needed), then you just right click on an EXE and select 'Open with Wine' worked great, but BT was fair slow with expanding/collapsing when expanding things like GPU tasks Ready to Start.

I shouldn't have mentioned using BoincTasks on Linux, now I'm back to using it after a long due move of my Win8 computer into a new case and putting in a 6 core CPU. Now it's dead and I can't see why, just no BIOS and reboots :(

Sorry to hear Brent. So would you say that running BT in Wine has acceptable performance and is usuable? Or is the usage not very acceptable compared to native Windows and not compelling enough to try to run in Wine?

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BT is definitely usable under Wine, much better than nothing, LOL.
I just looked, I have "Wine Windows Probram Loader" and "PlayOnLinux" (Not sure if I used that or not) in Ubuntu 14.
EDIT: I did achieve my main objective with the overhaul - The computer is MUCH cooler now!

Sorry to hear that Brent.

I feel ya. That computer died last night on me. Fortunately I was able to order a new MoBo yesterday before it did so maybe by end next week I can get it back online

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I have to wonder if the OS isn't capable of either handling the MoBo or the number of GPUs.

Sometimes certain hardware combinations don't work well with the installer. I've found Ubuntu to be similar to OSX in that you can move the installed system to another machine without any trouble. It might be better to install the system while the SSD is in a different, less complex machine, move it to the target machine and then run update-grub before installing the first updates. When you run update-grub the bootloader will detect Windows and add it to the OS list. It's worth a shot considering your previous troubles.

Using separate physical drives is a good idea to more easily work around the Windows (and Windows installation) 'foibles' problems. Windows is long known for trashing the disk boot area to then only work with the one Windows.

Another problem to hit sometimes is if the motherboard 'BIOS' is UEFI that has been locked down. In which case, look up the instructions to turn off the UEFI restrictions or for how to make the Linux boot loader entry look like the Windows UEFI entry.

A good test is to see if you can run a "Live DVD/USB" version of a Linux distro. The system will run very slow until you do a real install but that is still useful to see what things look like.

And if stuck, rather than lose hours, jump onto whichever forums and ask! :-)

(And always do a full backup first!)



Good luck!

Happy cool crunchin',
Martin

(Gentoo Linux - there are easier distros :-P :-) )

Take a look at Distrowatch for details: Top Ten Distributions

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Sure wish my new MB for the E5- would get here. :(

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All my problems started after I made that USB boot drive. ( I think the computer realized what I made and decided to commit suicide rather than face an linux upgrade)

After that, it was 1 issue after another. When I removed any sign of linux, it booted straight into windows again...hmmm...

Could just be coincidence but I have to wonder......Bahahaha..

were you trying to dual boot the system?

windows MBR gets all wonky when trying to dual boot a system sometimes. it's always a hassle.

my first advice would be to not dual boot at all.
second advice, if you must, put each OS on a separate HDD (unplug the opposite drive during install), to keep the bootloaders separate, and boot each OS via BIOS

. . I found that Linux is sufficiently Windows aware to act very well as the dual boot controller. I have them on separate drives and it is set to boot into Linux. But if I want to boot into Windows it is a simple selection on the Linux loader screen and voila, there's Windows. While I think Win 10 is a fantastic OS at the nuts and bolts level, the big brother crap that M$ carries on with is enough to send any user running away. On one system the mobo gave up and I finally rebuilt it with new mobo, CPU and ram, now the licensed Win10 refuses to activate and I have to "set up a M$ account" before I can ask for a solution. A(*&(*les!

Stephen

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I have to wonder if the OS isn't capable of either handling the MoBo or the number of GPUs.

Sometimes certain hardware combinations don't work well with the installer. I've found Ubuntu to be similar to OSX in that you can move the installed system to another machine without any trouble. It might be better to install the system while the SSD is in a different, less complex machine, move it to the target machine and then run update-grub before installing the first updates. When you run update-grub the bootloader will detect Windows and add it to the OS list. It's worth a shot considering your previous troubles.

. . Yes, as far as Windows is concerned it is the only OS on the box, but Linux didn't need to be told Windows was on the other drive, it detected it by itself and added it to the boot selection list. IF I want to use Windows on those boxes I just select it and awaaaayyy we go. I have not had to disconnect anything to have that work seamlessly.

Stephen

:)

All my problems started after I made that USB boot drive. ( I think the computer realized what I made and decided to commit suicide rather than face an linux upgrade)

After that, it was 1 issue after another. When I removed any sign of linux, it booted straight into windows again...hmmm...

Could just be coincidence but I have to wonder......Bahahaha..

were you trying to dual boot the system?

windows MBR gets all wonky when trying to dual boot a system sometimes. it's always a hassle.

my first advice would be to not dual boot at all.
second advice, if you must, put each OS on a separate HDD (unplug the opposite drive during install), to keep the bootloaders separate, and boot each OS via BIOS

. . I found that Linux is sufficiently Windows aware to act very well as the dual boot controller. I have them on separate drives and it is set to boot into Linux. But if I want to boot into Windows it is a simple selection on the Linux loader screen and voila, there's Windows. While I think Win 10 is a fantastic OS at the nuts and bolts level, the big brother crap that M$ carries on with is enough to send any user running away. On one system the mobo gave up and I finally rebuilt it with new mobo, CPU and ram, now the licensed Win10 refuses to activate and I have to "set up a M$ account" before I can ask for a solution. A(*&(*les!

Stephen

:(

Hi Stephen,

When I installed Windows 10 on this new PC I used my Windows 7 Pro 64 bit product key to activate Win 10 and it activated without a hitch. My Win 7 is a legit OS. You may try that if you have a Win 7 that is no longer running on anything.

Just a thought from my experience. :)

Siran

[edit] I have no account with Micro$oft, by the way. [/edit]

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Hi Stephen,

When I installed Windows 10 on this new PC I used my Windows 7 Pro 64 bit product key to activate Win 10 and it activated without a hitch. My Win 7 is a legit OS. You may try that if you have a Win 7 that is no longer running on anything.

Just a thought from my experience. :)

Siran

[edit] I have no account with Micro$oft, by the way. [/edit]

I have recently upgraded to Win10 on two different systems using the Win7 keys on the boxes. If you want a clean install just download and install the installer on to a 8 GB flash drive. If you then start the install while Win7 is booted it should do an upgrade without wiping your data.

If you ask for a clean install it may wipe everything (or put in in Windows.old).

Tom

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Hi Stephen,

When I installed Windows 10 on this new PC I used my Windows 7 Pro 64 bit product key to activate Win 10 and it activated without a hitch. My Win 7 is a legit OS. You may try that if you have a Win 7 that is no longer running on anything.

Just a thought from my experience. :)

Siran

[edit] I have no account with Micro$oft, by the way. [/edit]

I have recently upgraded to Win10 on two different systems using the Win7 keys on the boxes. If you want a clean install just download and install the installer on to a 8 GB flash drive. If you then start the install while Win7 is booted it should do an upgrade without wiping your data.

If you ask for a clean install it may wipe everything (or put in in Windows.old).

Tom

Hi Tom,

That's exactly how I installed Windows 10. It was a clean install to an M.2 NVMe drive. I got a pack of 5 8G flash drives and used 2 of them to burn Windows 10 1803 on them, one for me and one for roommate. The HDD that had my Win7 install has been re-purposed as my data drive. I do plan to get another SSD to install games and other programs on and only have the OS on the M.2 drive since it's only 250GB. But, that'll have to wait until after property taxes are paid next month. :( Maybe Santa will be nice this year. ;)

Have a great day! :)

Siran

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"Logic is the cement of our civilization with which we ascend from chaos using reason as our guide." - T'Plana-hath

How many people scarfed up the AMD 1920X Threadripper for $247 yesterday at Amazon. Talk about clearing out inventory all in one whack. Instantly all inventory disappeared. Who could have thought you could have bought a 12Core/24Thread processor for less than $250.

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How many people scarfed up the AMD 1920X Threadripper for $247 yesterday at Amazon. Talk about clearing out inventory all in one whack. Instantly all inventory disappeared. Who could have thought you could have bought a 12Core/24Thread processor for less than $250.

I didn't but then by the time I had heard about it, they were gone. Plus I am a little tight on cash. Maybe I woulld have cashed a couple of savings bonds in :)

Tom

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I actually found a custom motherboard with 4 cpu sockets, lots of ram. And not a single gpu slot (based on the photo).

It was a little pricey too. :)

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Can you put video cards into the non-gpu slots on one of these higher motherboards (assuming there is enough slot clearance)?

I understand they are not as long and will not have the same data transfer speed as the pc-i 3x slots.

The reason I am asking is I am trying to see if there is a less then $400-$500 solution for 3-4 gpu cards (ignoring putting in risers etc).

Thanks,
Tom

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Can you put video cards into the non-gpu slots on one of these higher motherboards (assuming there is enough slot clearance)?

I understand they are not as long and will not have the same data transfer speed as the pc-i 3x slots.

The reason I am asking is I am trying to see if there is a less then $400-$500 solution for 3-4 gpu cards (ignoring putting in risers etc).

Thanks,
Tom

you can if the end of the short slot is "open" to allow a longer card to be plugged in.

or you can use a riser/adapter, but you wont have the card plugged into the board, like what cryptocurrency miners do.

SETI isnt too bandwidth limited. i have a 1050ti plugged into a PCIe gen1 x16 slot that is only x4 electrically, which has the same bandwidth as a PCIe gen3 x1 slot, with no apparent processing penalty. it runs at the same speed as the card next to it in a full lane x16 slot.

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I actually found a custom motherboard with 4 cpu sockets, lots of ram. And not a single gpu slot (based on the photo).

It was a little pricey too. :)

It was for e5- type cpus.

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It was for e5- type cpus.

Fine, but there are a number of different sockets deployed on the Xeon E-5 processor series, can you be a bit more precise in your description, then constructive suggestions can be made.

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