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Message 1943826 - Posted: 12 Jul 2018, 11:04:17 UTC

I am assuming that no one here has had thisproblem but I will ask anyway.

My number 2 machine.

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Had a problem with the "fall creators update" many things stopped working including installing Nvidia drivers.

I manged to do a "system restore" which worked and brought everything back to before the update, however Nvidia drivers newer than 387.92 failed to install.

As it happens from then on all Windows updates failed which was OK as I never got another update.

Last night the latest update somehow installed, this morning I have loads of aborted tasks and no video driver

387.92 and 396.36 both fail to install. I have tried safe mode and deleting all Nvidia files and folders as suggested and it still fails.

Does anyone have any ideas?
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Message 1943839 - Posted: 12 Jul 2018, 12:31:25 UTC - in response to Message 1943826.  
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Driver version 391.35 here Bernie, but supposedly it could go with the physical card itself, so therefore a possible difference.

Also thinking here that a System Restore is perhaps not the best thing either, because perhaps only the driver itself.

Not familiar with the Fall Creators Update of yours, but leaving it to you for two possible different things here.

But if next correct order as usual, also driver first, then application next, for also the opposite, when making it vice versa, for that of install, versus uninstall,
except for still the operating system itself.

Perhaps not a good thing uninstalling an application either, but if excluding an option from coming up when booting, perhaps not any difference either,
when trying out with safe mode, which at least with Windows 10, became slightly inaccessible.

Personally working with the Certificates again, for both deleting, and next also installing an application which became a bit unwanted,
but somehow finds it a bit hard to uninstall, or getting rid of, because here again with my national broadcaster,
and also Yahoo, after struggling for a while.
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Message 1943894 - Posted: 12 Jul 2018, 18:27:23 UTC

Revert back to original driver setting using Device Manager, then make sure Boinc and projects are shut down via Task Manager (Before and after it reboots the computer during installing the 391.35 driver)..

Hope that works
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Message 1943896 - Posted: 12 Jul 2018, 18:51:25 UTC

The quickest way turned out to be reverting to the previous version of Windows 10

This succeed and 387.92 was working after it rebooted with no re-install necessary

So now I have had to disable future Windows updates as I have no wish for this to keep happening.

Perhaps I will, in time, re-install Windows, although apparently reading on the web this will not guarantee a fix!

Not sure why this happens as I have 4 much older machines that have updated to Windows 10 with no problems.
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Message 1943899 - Posted: 12 Jul 2018, 18:59:58 UTC

Glad your up and running again..
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Message 1944015 - Posted: 13 Jul 2018, 7:06:23 UTC - in response to Message 1943826.  

387.92 and 396.36 both fail to install. I have tried safe mode and deleting all Nvidia files and folders as suggested and it still fails.

Does anyone have any ideas?

I've never had any issue downloading a driver from Nvida & installing it using the Advanced option & select "Perform a Clean installation".
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Message 1944021 - Posted: 13 Jul 2018, 7:31:03 UTC - in response to Message 1944015.  

387.92 and 396.36 both fail to install. I have tried safe mode and deleting all Nvidia files and folders as suggested and it still fails.

Does anyone have any ideas?

I've never had any issue downloading a driver from Nvida & installing it using the Advanced option & select "Perform a Clean installation".



As I said I have 4 other machines (one over 10 years old) that never have a problem with a) Windows 10 updates or b)installing Nvidia drivers so there must be a problem with the Win 10 install on this machine.

If I can keep it running as it is then all will be fine, I really don't want to mess with it as it currently acts as a sort of "server" with 2 extra 1 TB HDD's being used as "online drives" to store and back up the other machines.
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Message 1946071 - Posted: 24 Jul 2018, 7:16:41 UTC

Well just an update, every morning for the past week I have been greeted with the "Windows has updated" screen.

GPU tasks aren't running, sometimes because there is no GPU driver at all or sometimes because the driver Windows did install of course lacks OpenCL.

Sometimes tasks have aborted sometimes not.

I have tried everything I can find on the internet to get the Nvidia driver to install, nothing works with any driver older or newer.

So every morning I have reverted to the previous Windows build and despite also trying every method I could find to prevent Windows updates,(including deleting the updates folder) every morning it has updated.

I even changed the "active hours" so it should not have updated between 23:00 and 08:00, but it still did.

So now I suppose I have to bite the bullet and do a full windows reset, this machine has all my software I have migrated over the years from machine to machine.

However I do not have the will to move or even record what is on there, I have to hope it might make a "windows old" directory, does win 10 do that?

Currently I only run SETI@Home overnight, 1) too keep the heat down (currently the temperature in my flat sits around 30C all day) and 2)because electricity is a lot cheaper at night. (8p as apposed to 23p per kwh)

So I have set NNT and once I have completed all outstanding tasks I will take the plunge and hit "reset".

Wish me luck.
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Message 1946073 - Posted: 24 Jul 2018, 8:23:38 UTC

You say the driver fails to install.
In what way does it fail?
Does the installer run then crash? Does it run & finish and nothing is installed? Does it run, but not finish?

I had a system that was Win7 that upgraded to Win10. No problems installing the driver downloaded from Nvidia. I had the issue you are describing- Windows installing another driver that didn't work. And I had no issues downloading & installing the Nvidia driver.
I've got 2 new systems that came with Win10- and I installed the Nvidia driver of my own choosing with no issues.
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Message 1946077 - Posted: 24 Jul 2018, 8:45:21 UTC - in response to Message 1946071.  
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Message 1946079 - Posted: 24 Jul 2018, 9:34:45 UTC
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You say the driver fails to install.
In what way does it fail?


Like this (not my machine but you get the idea)



Once you do this of course even the cut down windows driver no longer works. I had to remove the second screen from this machine because every time this happened the display would revert to a single screen and any icons on screen two were just jumbled anywhere onto screen one.

I have tried installing just the driver, and clean install. Same result.

Have you tried this?

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/3073930/how-to-temporarily-prevent-a-driver-update-from-reinstalling-in-window


Oh yes, the problem actually started with Windows update 1709, I was able to revert and keep 1703 for over a year.

There's a good little tool in there.

http://download.microsoft.com/download/f/2/2/f22d5fdb-59cd-4275-8c95-1be17bf70b21/wushowhide.diagcab

Clearer explanation on how to use it.


Sorry site doesn't like adblockers so couldn't see it. However I have used this and O&O shutup, however as I have said I am trying to keep my machine on Windows 1703, when we are now on 1803.

These tools cannot provide a permanent solution as I have found by reading copious amounts of info on may websites. There are many many people out there appealing to MS to make it possible to opt out of updates, but the answer is a resounding silence.

My other 4 crunchers (3 older than this machine) have all updated with no problems and are all running newer versions. There has to be a problem with the Win 10 install and I have spent way too much time trying to get this machine stable I think a reset is the only way. It is not my daily machine, but if it goes pear shaped I will loose years of my computing history.

Obviously all my documents and pictures are backed up in two different places and won't be affected.
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Message 1946084 - Posted: 24 Jul 2018, 10:27:24 UTC

Hi Bernie,

There is a setting in Windows 10, and for the life of me I cannot find it even though I have it set, to exclude drivers from Micro$oft from installing. Perhaps someone here, with better knowledge of Windows 10, can point you in the correct direction to stop Windows from installing driver updates. I could be wrong, it's been known that I have in the past ;), it may have something to do with policies. I found my setting under "View configured update policies". Perhaps "policies" is a Micro$oft fancier term for settings. I don't know.

Ok my friend, I just found the procedure for stopping the device driver updates, here it is: http://www.tomshardware.com/faq/id-2763685/stop-windows-automatically-updating-device-drivers.html

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Message 1946091 - Posted: 24 Jul 2018, 11:09:10 UTC - in response to Message 1946084.  
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Ok my friend, I just found the procedure for stopping the device driver updates, here it is: http://www.tomshardware.com/faq/id-2763685/stop-windows-automatically-updating-device-drivers.html

Unfortunately that generally doesn't work.


Bernie-

With Win10 Pro you can use the Group Policy editor to stop Windows update from updating drivers, but are still able to update drivers manually. But with Win10 home it requires editing the registry.
Have you edited the Registry to stop Driver updates, or used a 3rd party utility of the "Regain control of Win10" variety?
Both methods don't actually stop Windows update from updating drivers, but block all driver updating, including manual installation.


Edit- I see you mention using O&O Shutup. If you have used that to control your updates, it is probably that which is stopping you from updating manually, and is probably causing the driver failure when Windows does it's update.

I'd suggest configuring O&O Shutup to allow all Windows & other updates (and any other such programmes you might have), then try manually updating again.
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Message 1946101 - Posted: 24 Jul 2018, 13:14:23 UTC
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Ok my friend, I just found the procedure for stopping the device driver updates, here it is: http://www.tomshardware.com/faq/id-2763685/stop-windows-automatically-updating-device-drivers.html

Unfortunately that generally doesn't work.


That article was correct when written in 2015 however if you look it says that this no longer works for versions after 1151.

Have you edited the Registry to stop Driver updates, or used a 3rd party utility of the "Regain control of Win10" variety?


Reports on the web are mixed, some say it works others that it gets re-written.


Edit- I see you mention using O&O Shutup. If you have used that to control your updates, it is probably that which is stopping you from updating manually, and is probably causing the driver failure when Windows does it's update.

I'd suggest configuring O&O Shutup to allow all Windows & other updates (and any other such programmes you might have), then try manually updating again.


As I have 4 other crunchers set the same and it doesn't affect them at all I am not going to fiddle anymore.

No, I have decided that this machine should be updating without problems and it will be best to "reset" it.

It still has about 9 hours to go before it has finished its queue, I will report on how it goes.
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Message 1946107 - Posted: 24 Jul 2018, 14:19:11 UTC - in response to Message 1946101.  
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That article was correct when written in 2015 however if you look it says that this no longer works for versions after 1151.

Have you edited the Registry to stop Driver updates, or used a 3rd party utility of the "Regain control of Win10" variety?


Reports on the web are mixed, some say it works others that it gets re-written.


Edit- I see you mention using O&O Shutup. If you have used that to control your updates, it is probably that which is stopping you from updating manually, and is probably causing the driver failure when Windows does it's update.

I'd suggest configuring O&O Shutup to allow all Windows & other updates (and any other such programmes you might have), then try manually updating again.


As I have 4 other crunchers set the same and it doesn't affect them at all I am not going to fiddle anymore.

No, I have decided that this machine should be updating without problems and it will be best to "reset" it.

It still has about 9 hours to go before it has finished its queue, I will report on how it goes.

Hi Bernie,

Well, it works for me. I have 1803 and have the second window shown for after 1151. I have it set to no. I do not get any driver updates. I manually do them myself.

I have endeavored to take back control of Windows 10 from Micro$oft as much as I can. I'm just passing on what I have researched and done.

To each their own.

Siran

[edit] Ok, I found another website article from April 2018: https://www.addictivetips.com/windows-tips/stop-windows-10-from-updating-drivers/. Gives the same basic procedure but in different steps. Still works. :) [/edit]
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Message 1946118 - Posted: 24 Jul 2018, 20:53:50 UTC
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Should tell that I had a look at the figure provided, and it came to me that of a problem with a driver uninstall here,
if something older, or a previous driver had been installed, and next also running, for that of either tasks being stuck, or perhaps the driver itself.
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Message 1946337 - Posted: 26 Jul 2018, 6:57:37 UTC
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Well I said I would report what happened.

So having finished my queue, I proceeded to "reset" the Windows install, however it stopped with a message "Could not Find the Recovery Environment"

This means that there is something wrong with the recovery partition. So I checked online and using various commands was able to work out that the recovery partition was either missing or corrupt. (sigh)

I discovered that if I downloaded the Windows image to a USB stick then the recovery could continue. Well once again I spent far too much time trying to get this to work, online advice differed from what I was seeing.

The USB stick was seen OK but I could not point the recovery program to it. So other advice was to reboot to the USB stick and use recovery from there

However the only option I was given was a "clean install" of Windows 10. Not what I was hoping. I would have to go through all my files to make sure everything was backed up elsewhere.

I gave up for the day there and allowed SETI@Home to download a full cache.

So far this morning it has continued to run OK with no over night update.

As it is 32ºC in here at the moment all this may have to wait!!
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Message 1946365 - Posted: 26 Jul 2018, 12:39:35 UTC
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Bernie, I had both my CD/DVD drives inserted here, and they are both quite good units (Read/Write).

But having Windows 10 coming on a USB stick did not work here, at least for me.

Next not any fun either, when the physical media itself, the disks for Windows 7, meaning Ultimate, and also Windows 8,
breaks in the holder, and not are working.

If you rather suspect the physical drives, better check the cabling, particularly those for data, or SATA, because here either 3 GB, or 6 GB transfer,
each needing their respective cable, and connector, and the cable could be white at the end, and not just black, or even red.

Also the flat end connector, versus the angled one, which better should go against the drive here.

But if rather a "bulk" download of sorts, like a raw format, or perhaps .ISO format, the question becomes whether the original disk is still being asked for.

If not only for a couple of hard disks failing, for that of falling to the floor, I rather would revert back to Windows 7, because error tasks with PrimeGrid
appears to be in sync with those Windows updates, happening behind the scenes, and here also between tasks and users.

Also that the starting logo for the first one, is more colorful than that for the second, as well.

Except for a number of other applications, I do not run anything like Prolog here, which might give answers to logical questions.

Therefore, except still not any slippery slope either, perhaps still Logic for that of Thought, except for not always left to decide either.

Only that of having a computer could perhaps give a similar notion about perhaps a better world, for also that of any worse,
except for making it a similar thing for at least science sometimes working.

As usual, a difference between the heavy dunes of sand, if not any bottom of the sea, for also a given reflection upon mind, and next also for science.

Next I am wandering off again, and rather should leave it there, for that of a short comment only.
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Message 1946417 - Posted: 26 Jul 2018, 18:52:11 UTC

I wasted a day trying every trick to get the recovery process to work. The only thing that Win 10 would allow me to do was reinstall Win 10 from scratch. So if I was going to lose everything anyway, I figured it was simpler to just give Windows the final heave-ho and just install Linux. Got my Linux/BOINC system up and running in a couple of hours after configuration of all my projects.

Goodbye to the corporate spying from M$ and the general flakiness of Windows. Happy now!
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Message 1948428 - Posted: 8 Aug 2018, 9:07:22 UTC

I thought I would update the story so far.

Despite my efforts on the evening of the 26th after I went out for a couple of hours, I returned to the dreaded "Lucky you Windows has been updated........"

Once again it had updated to 1709

As usual there was the Windows driver with no Open CL!!

Now I have run Driver Cleaner on this machine to try and cure this, but it did not help, however I had read that Display Driver Uninstaller (DDU) did work.

So I downloaded DDU and ran it in safe mode, I then tried to install 387.92 drivers and guess what, they installed!!

OK so I now had a working install of Windows 1709. I switched the machine to a Wi-Fi dongle and set the metered connection.

I let this run over the weekend. I then checked on updates and they were all there but "failed downloads" because of the metered connection.

So I though, lets try for the big one, using DDU could I get 1803 installed.

So I let the updates download and install. I let Windows install the crippled driver, now here it seems I made a mistake, feeling confident I then wanted to see what would happen if I tried to install the latest driver straight onto 1803, well it failed. No problem, I just ran DDU and then installed 387.92 again, oh dear it failed!!

So now I was back to square one. No driver so no GPU!!

Now I am not sure if I had noticed this in the past but after trying various things after a restart I noticed the screen resolution was suddenly correct. On checking Windows had re-installed its drivers. On a whim I booted into safe mode ran DDU and tried to re-install 387.92. What do you know it worked.

So it seems DDU works when there is a driver to un- install. After a "failed install" whatever happens you cannot install a driver. This also happened on another machine that had a problem after I installed a faulty GPU, I tried to reload the drivers, failed, once again during a reboot, windows installed drivers, I ran DDU and was then able to install the latest drivers.

A very odd and time consuming problem. However I now have my 3 machines on 1803 all working, all however on different drivers. (32bit windows has no new drivers since 391.35)

I have a couple of other machines I am getting running for the WOW event, lets hope they don't have this problem!!
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