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Message 1916869 - Posted: 4 Feb 2018, 14:35:39 UTC - in response to Message 1916864.  

I see a lot of problem with KANYON.
But if it works and beeing used we are in deep s**t...

moomin... Agree.

And sometimes things doesn't go as planned even if the nukes was meant to be only deterrent.
US President Muffley in the War Room talking over phone with Premier of the Soviet Union Dimitri, trying to explain a little "mishap".
Hello? Hello, Dimitri? Listen, I can't hear too well, do you suppose you could turn the music down just a little? Oh, that's much better. Yes. Fine, I can hear you now, Dimitri. Clear and plain and coming through fine. I'm coming through fine too, eh? Good, then. Well then as you say we're both coming through fine. Good. Well it's good that you're fine and I'm fine. I agree with you. It's great to be fine. laughs Now then Dimitri. You know how we've always talked about the possibility of something going wrong with the bomb. The bomb, Dimitri. The hydrogen bomb. Well now what happened is, one of our base commanders, he had a sort of, well he went a little funny in the head. You know. Just a little... funny. And uh, he went and did a silly thing. Well, I'll tell you what he did, he ordered his planes... to attack your country. Well let me finish, Dimitri. Let me finish, Dimitri. Well, listen, how do you think I feel about it? Can you imagine how I feel about it, Dimitri? Why do you think I'm calling you? Just to say hello? Of course I like to speak to you. Of course I like to say hello. Not now, but any time, Dimitri. I'm just calling up to tell you something terrible has happened. It's a friendly call. Of course it's a friendly call. Listen, if it wasn't friendly, ... you probably wouldn't have even got it. They will not reach their targets for at least another hour. I am... I am positive, Dimitri. Listen, I've been all over this with your ambassador. It is not a trick. Well I'll tell you. We'd like to give your air staff a complete run down on the targets, the flight plans, and the defensive systems of the planes. Yes! I mean, if we're unable to recall the planes, then I'd say that, uh, well, we're just going to have to help you destroy them, Dimitri. I know they're our boys. Alright, well, listen... who should we call? Who should we call, Dimitri? The people...? Sorry, you faded away there. The People's Central Air Defense Headquarters. Where is that, Dimitri? In Omsk. Right. Yes. Oh, you'll call them first, will you? Uh huh. Listen, do you happen to have the phone number on you, Dimitri? What? I see, just ask for Omsk Information. I'm sorry too, Dimitri. I'm very sorry. Alright! You're sorrier than I am! But I am sorry as well. I am as sorry as you are, Dimitri. Don't say that you are more sorry than I am, because I am capable of being just as sorry as you are. So we're both sorry, alright? Alright. Yes he's right here. Yes, he wants to talk to you. Just a second.
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Message 1916870 - Posted: 4 Feb 2018, 14:44:30 UTC
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And sometimes things doesn't go as planned even if the nukes was meant to be only deterrent.
US President Muffley in the War Room talking over phone with Premier of the Soviet Union Dimitri, trying to explain a little "mishap".
Hello? Hello, Dimitri? Listen...

Saw this picture, in the movies, when it first came out.

Our reaction: Both laughs and fear that it could really happen.
Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
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Message 1916871 - Posted: 4 Feb 2018, 14:53:18 UTC - in response to Message 1916870.  

And sometimes things doesn't go as planned even if the nukes was meant to be only deterrent.
US President Muffley in the War Room talking over phone with Premier of the Soviet Union Dimitri, trying to explain a little "mishap".
Hello? Hello, Dimitri? Listen,..

Saw this picture, in the movies, when it first came out.

Our reaction: Both laughs and fear that it could really happen.

Luckily we have today Trump, Putin and Kim that I'm sure don't let those kind of mishaps happen :)
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Message 1916873 - Posted: 4 Feb 2018, 15:05:05 UTC - in response to Message 1916871.  
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And sometimes things doesn't go as planned even if the nukes was meant to be only deterrent.
US President Muffley in the War Room talking over phone with Premier of the Soviet Union Dimitri, trying to explain a little "mishap".
Hello? Hello, Dimitri? Listen,..

Saw this picture, in the movies, when it first came out.

Our reaction: Both laughs and fear that it could really happen.

Luckily we have today Trump, Putin and Kim that I'm sure don't let those kind of mishaps happen :)

Or... It takes one to know one.

Sometimes an intelligent, ethical and moral British PM Chamberlain type leads to worse.

Sometimes we need a 'Warmonger' to truly understand the threats.

I have always respected the British people understanding they needed a 'Warmonger' to defeat an evil. But threw him out of office after the evil was defeated.
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Message 1916880 - Posted: 4 Feb 2018, 15:48:08 UTC - in response to Message 1916873.  

Or... It takes one to know one.
Sometimes an intelligent, ethical and moral British PM Chamberlain type leads to worse.

It also takes knowledge in foreign policies.
Chamberlain, who was inexperienced in foreign policy, gradually took over the leadership of British Foreign Policy from the Foreign Office.
Hmm. It reminds me of a certain US president...
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Message 1916885 - Posted: 4 Feb 2018, 16:46:15 UTC - in response to Message 1916873.  

Sometimes an intelligent, ethical and moral British PM Chamberlain type leads to worse.

If you knew anything about UK history you would soon realise that remark is incorrect.
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Message 1916886 - Posted: 4 Feb 2018, 16:52:25 UTC - in response to Message 1916880.  
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Or... It takes one to know one.
Sometimes an intelligent, ethical and moral British PM Chamberlain type leads to worse.

It also takes knowledge in foreign policies.
Chamberlain, who was inexperienced in foreign policy, gradually took over the leadership of British Foreign Policy from the Foreign Office.
Hmm. It reminds me of a certain US president...

Understanding that both were/are inexperienced.

Would a "Peace in our times" (Munich) trust in a Hitler type have happened with a Trump type PM?

I am not approving of Trump nor have great trust in his judgement in this matter. Just a observation that 'appeasers' may be worse.
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Message 1916890 - Posted: 4 Feb 2018, 17:21:29 UTC - in response to Message 1916886.  

Or... It takes one to know one.
Sometimes an intelligent, ethical and moral British PM Chamberlain type leads to worse.

It also takes knowledge in foreign policies.
Chamberlain, who was inexperienced in foreign policy, gradually took over the leadership of British Foreign Policy from the Foreign Office.
Hmm. It reminds me of a certain US president...

Understanding that both were/are inexperienced.
Would a "Peace in our times" (Munich) trust in a Hitler type have happened with a Trump type PM?
I am not approving of Trump nor have great trust in his judgement in this matter. Just a observation that 'appeasers' may be worse.

Before answering that I have to first read the US Nuclear Posture Review (NPR)
https://www.defense.gov/News/Special-Reports/0218_npr/
However I seen this video from NPR and there are no simple answers.
On Deterrence is a documentary that presents a contemporary dialogue involving different viewpoints about the evolution of nuclear weapon deterrence since World War II and how deterrence may evolve in the future
https://cdn.dvidshub.net/media/video/1802/DOD_105289497/DOD_105289497-512x288-442k.mp4
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Message 1916984 - Posted: 5 Feb 2018, 1:10:48 UTC
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Before answering that I have to first read the US Nuclear Posture Review (NPR)

Back when, the U.S. policy regarding the defense of Western Europe from a conventual Soviet Invasion. Because until the early 70's, we had no ability to conventionally stop Soviet forces from taking Western Germany and possibly advancing to the English Channel. Was referred to as MAD: Mutually Assured Destruction. MAD had other elements, but let's confine this to a conventional Soviet attack.

MAD in this scenario meant the U.S. would respond with nuclear weapons and while destroying the Soviet Union. The Soviet Union would also destroy the U.S. resulting in a collateral destruction of Western Europe.

Therefore, to stop the Soviets from occupying West Germany and possibly Western Europe as they did to Eastern Europe. Our response would result in our death and destroy the populations of Western Europe. This was not sane and the Soviets understood that. But...

Henry Kissinger a few years ago explained 'The Game' we played during the Cold War to make the Soviets believe we might be insane.

If only one Soviet plane would wander close to us. Or another 'minor' incident occurred. President Nixon, and Kissinger stated this included all Presidents during the Cold War. Would on occasion, increase our DEFCON ( DEFense readiness CONdition) level. Most of our nuclear weapon equipped bombers would take off (scramble). Our ICBM's would be raised from their silos, etc.

The Soviet Leaders believing our response was 'insane'. Came to believe we would actually commit suicide and destroy to people of Western Europe to save them from occupation.

Yes.. It did work. But if it didn't? That is the problem with all plans in a Nuclear Weaponized world.
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Message 1917006 - Posted: 5 Feb 2018, 4:28:50 UTC - in response to Message 1916984.  

Before answering that I have to first read the US Nuclear Posture Review (NPR)

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So in other words, "No you havn't".

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Message 1917050 - Posted: 5 Feb 2018, 11:18:22 UTC - in response to Message 1916984.  

Are both Kim and Don playing "The Madman Theory"?
Will Don get Kissinger's last advice?
Will Don obliterate North Korea?
Will Kim nuke Guam, Japan, Los Angeles, San Diego...?
And will we see Major Kong's son riding the bomb?
That and more in the next thrilling episode of "Madmen" at home on your TV.

"The Madman Theory" recap.
The madman theory is a political theory commonly associated with U.S. President Richard Nixon's foreign policy.
He and his administration tried to make the leaders of hostile Communist Bloc nations think Nixon was irrational and volatile.
Trump's use of the theory with North Korea has been similarly criticized, suggesting the chance of an accident arising from North Korea's string of missile testing was also increased.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madman_theory

DONALD TRUMP AND THE 'MADMAN' PLAYBOOK
https://www.wired.com/story/donald-trump-madman-strategy-north-korea-nuclear-weapons/
Among serious strategists, “madmen” are not afraid to fail, or blow up the world and themselves.
That is not their preferred outcome, but they are prepared to take massive risks for specific purposes.
To be mad is not to be irrational. There is a steely rationality in the willingness to combine extreme force with potential suicide.
The madman strategist is ready to press the nuclear button if the adversary doesn’t back down.
The adversary will give in, according to the logic, because the potential damage is just too devastating, and he thinks the madman might be serious.


The Problem With Trump's Madman Theory
It didn’t work for Nixon. It’s even less likely to work now
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2017/10/madman-theory-trump-north-korea/542055/
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Message 1917074 - Posted: 5 Feb 2018, 14:03:22 UTC - in response to Message 1917050.  

Are both Kim and Don playing "The Madman Theory"?
Will Don get Kissinger's last advice?
Will Don obliterate North Korea?
Will Kim nuke Guam, Japan, Los Angeles, San Diego...?
And will we see Major Kong's son riding the bomb?
That and more in the next thrilling episode of "Madmen" at home on your TV.

"The Madman Theory" recap.
The madman theory is a political theory commonly associated with U.S. President Richard Nixon's foreign policy.
He and his administration tried to make the leaders of hostile Communist Bloc nations think Nixon was irrational and volatile.
Trump's use of the theory with North Korea has been similarly criticized, suggesting the chance of an accident arising from North Korea's string of missile testing was also increased.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madman_theory

DONALD TRUMP AND THE 'MADMAN' PLAYBOOK
https://www.wired.com/story/donald-trump-madman-strategy-north-korea-nuclear-weapons/
Among serious strategists, “madmen” are not afraid to fail, or blow up the world and themselves.
That is not their preferred outcome, but they are prepared to take massive risks for specific purposes.
To be mad is not to be irrational. There is a steely rationality in the willingness to combine extreme force with potential suicide.
The madman strategist is ready to press the nuclear button if the adversary doesn’t back down.
The adversary will give in, according to the logic, because the potential damage is just too devastating, and he thinks the madman might be serious.


The Problem With Trump's Madman Theory
It didn’t work for Nixon. It’s even less likely to work now
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2017/10/madman-theory-trump-north-korea/542055/

Postulating that a Jefferson, Lincoln, FDR and similar persons are presently President of the United States.

All options, from doing nothing, increased sanctions, first strike to stop Mad Man Kim's ability to kill millions. Carry the seeds of disaster.

moomin... That is the reality of the present situation. No proponent of any 'solution'. Can guarantee to the millions of innocents threatened by Kim. That their 'solution' will not culminate in their death.
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Message 1917081 - Posted: 5 Feb 2018, 14:39:31 UTC - in response to Message 1917074.  
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And sanctions doesn't seems to work so well as well.
Sometimes the effects of them are contrary to what one should wish. Here on North Korea.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/north-koreans-have-tasted-freedom-through-the-markets-sanctions-could-put-that-at-risk/2018/02/02/45a035be-0523-11e8-aa61-f3391373867e_story.html

What's left? Diplomacy? Why not?

Hmm. I wonder if Kim knows about 외교.
Well It's easier to both pronounciate and spell it then 안녕하세요 Hehe:)
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Message 1917084 - Posted: 5 Feb 2018, 14:56:51 UTC - in response to Message 1917081.  


And sanctions doesn't seems to work so well as well.
Sometimes the effects of them are contrary to what one should wish. Here on North Korea.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/north-koreans-have-tasted-freedom-through-the-markets-sanctions-could-put-that-at-risk/2018/02/02/45a035be-0523-11e8-aa61-f3391373867e_story.html

What's left? Diplomacy? Why not?

To what purpose? Since the only thing to 'discuss' is maniac Kim's dismantling of his weapons of mass destruction and missiles to carry them.

Who believes that Kim will dismantle his weapons of mass destruction and missiles to carry them?

Who believes that Kim will really allow International Inspectors unrestricted access to his country.
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Message 1917097 - Posted: 5 Feb 2018, 15:44:32 UTC - in response to Message 1917084.  

What's left? Diplomacy? Why not?

To what purpose? Since the only thing to 'discuss' is maniac Kim's dismantling of his weapons of mass destruction and missiles to carry them.
Who believes that Kim will dismantle his weapons of mass destruction and missiles to carry them?
Who believes that Kim will really allow International Inspectors unrestricted access to his country.

Not even the Swedish Foreign Office believes that and we even have diplomatic relations with NK and also being "Protective power" to the US in NK.
Protective power is called the state that protects the interests of another country in a third country, when these countries do not have diplomatic relations. [1]
Sweden is the protection force for a number of Western countries in North Korea, including the other Nordic countries, the Baltic States and the United States [2] [3] and Canada through the Swedish Embassy in Pyongyang. Since the summer of 2012, the Swedish embassy in Iran's capital, Tehran, is also a protection force for Britain [4]. This when the British embassy was previously stormed as a result of increased sanctions against Iran in response to its nuclear issue. [5]

So whats left? Assassination of Madmen?
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Message 1917102 - Posted: 5 Feb 2018, 15:58:55 UTC - in response to Message 1917097.  
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What's left? Diplomacy? Why not?

To what purpose? Since the only thing to 'discuss' is maniac Kim's dismantling of his weapons of mass destruction and missiles to carry them.
Who believes that Kim will dismantle his weapons of mass destruction and missiles to carry them?
Who believes that Kim will really allow International Inspectors unrestricted access to his country.

Not even the Swedish Foreign Office believes that and we even have diplomatic relations with NK and also being "Protective power" to the US in NK.
Protective power is called the state that protects the interests of another country in a third country, when these countries do not have diplomatic relations. [1]
Sweden is the protection force for a number of Western countries in North Korea, including the other Nordic countries, the Baltic States and the United States [2] [3] and Canada through the Swedish Embassy in Pyongyang. Since the summer of 2012, the Swedish embassy in Iran's capital, Tehran, is also a protection force for Britain [4]. This when the British embassy was previously stormed as a result of increased sanctions against Iran in response to its nuclear issue. [5]

So whats left? Assassination of Madmen?

Good question, which leads to another question.

Are there instances, hopefully very, very, very few times. That to save thousands or millions of innocents...?

I recently used this analogy. You have in custody a terrorist, who has knowledge of the location and near term detonation of a mass murdering nuclear, a radiological, a biological device. That If detonated, many thousands of innocents will be murdered.

What is your, repeating your individual responsibility?

Yes... These are moral, ethical and legal questions at odds with each other.
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Message 1917162 - Posted: 5 Feb 2018, 19:20:14 UTC - in response to Message 1917102.  
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Are there instances, hopefully very, very, very few times. That to save thousands or millions of innocents...?
I recently used this analogy. You have in custody a terrorist, who has knowledge of the location and near term detonation of a mass murdering nuclear, a radiological, a biological device. That If detonated, many thousands of innocents will be murdered.
What is your, repeating your individual responsibility?
Yes... These are moral, ethical and legal questions at odds with each other.

My individual responsibility would be get the most information possible from him to prevent the detonation to happen.
Yes. Even with Enhanced interrogation. A dedicated terrorist is not an ordinary criminal that could be protected by ordinary crime law.
But that means you have to be certain without any doubt that he/she is a dedicated terrorist.
Not like many detainee in Gitmo were many has not even been charged of any crime for a great number of years.
Gitmo: The New Rules of War
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gitmo:_The_New_Rules_of_War

And remember that the death of a terrorist is not the ultimate punishment.
It's the opposite.
So why was Saddam Hussein, Bin Ladin, Ghadaffi, maybe Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi and others all killed?
Better bunch them together like animals in a zoo for all to us to watch and study.
With a sign "Don't feed the animals"
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Message 1917183 - Posted: 5 Feb 2018, 20:25:46 UTC

But that means you have to be certain without any doubt that he/she is a dedicated terrorist.

In the real world and understanding there may be only a moral certainty, not 100% certainty that this terrorist has the information. Including credible information, but not 100% corroborated that the 'device' may explode in the near future.

What would you do?

And remember that the death of a terrorist is not the ultimate punishment.

Although it may result in death. The Enhanced Interrogation method employed would be a crime.

If you decide to employ these 'methods', including possibly necessary extreme torture to save countless innocent lives. Should you be subjected to your nation's criminal laws?

Hopefully, we are just engaging in an interesting Academic Exercise. But if not...
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Message 1917217 - Posted: 5 Feb 2018, 22:15:46 UTC - in response to Message 1917183.  

What would you do?
Translation, would you do as you say and follow your rules, or are you no better than the terrorist you see to investigate? That about right?
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Message 1917225 - Posted: 5 Feb 2018, 22:36:42 UTC - in response to Message 1917217.  
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What would you do?
Translation, would you do as you say and follow your rules, or are you no better than the terrorist you see to investigate? That about right?

Again, true to form and understanding that it would be 'inconvenient' to your attack to quote the entire post. Repeating:

But that means you have to be certain without any doubt that he/she is a dedicated terrorist.

In the real world and understanding there may be only a moral certainty, not 100% certainty that this terrorist has the information. Including credible information, but not 100% corroborated that the 'device' may explode in the near future.

What would you do?


And remember that the death of a terrorist is not the ultimate punishment.


Although it may result in death. The Enhanced Interrogation method employed would be a crime.

If you decide to employ these 'methods', including possibly necessary extreme torture to save countless innocent lives. Should you be subjected to your nation's criminal laws?

Hopefully, we are just engaging in an interesting Academic Exercise. But if not...

Gary... Just a mature understanding that to save the lives of many, perhaps thousands of innocents. The principles of ethics, morality and law may not be compatible.
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