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Message 1912556 - Posted: 12 Jan 2018, 15:02:38 UTC

Well, I guess my question was sorta kinda answered. I'd say my biggest gripe about it all is not the _amount_ of credit I get, I mean, I'm sure they could just go into the code, and add 2 or 3 or 4 zeros behind whatever number is now given, so a workunit would be 5000 or 500,000 instead of 50 credits. Look at me! I have Seven Hundred Ninety Eight Trillion credits! Whoot! Big deal. Go buy your 6 toasters with it. No, to me is the total lunacy of the inconsistency of it all.

TBH, what I mostly care about my RAC is that it is an indication of how much actual work I am doing, how hard my system has been working, and _especially_ if something is going wrong. If my RAC is falling, and there is still work in the cache, everything else being equal, that would indicate to me that there is something going on with my computer, and I had best take a look at it to see why. I guess that would be my perfect world scenario, but from the comments above, it appears quite unlikely that it will be addressed any time the the foreseeable future.

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Message 1912557 - Posted: 12 Jan 2018, 15:05:57 UTC

I am not complaining about the credits per se.........
It's just that I would like the flippin' rate to remain constant so I would know what effects any changes I make to my computers are really having.
It's almost impossible to gauge that when the dang goalposts are always moving.
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Message 1912563 - Posted: 12 Jan 2018, 15:17:30 UTC

Mark, completely agree, and couldn't have said it better myself.

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Message 1912575 - Posted: 12 Jan 2018, 16:19:35 UTC - in response to Message 1912563.  

Mark, completely agree, and couldn't have said it better myself.

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Message 1912590 - Posted: 12 Jan 2018, 18:04:13 UTC - in response to Message 1912555.  
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Nothing related to M$, Linux boxes has the same decline (or even worst)

A simple explanation why that's happening:

1) About a little more than a week ago the project only has blc WU to crunch. (Few Arecibo/AP WU only resends AFAIK)
2)They crunch slower than the common Arecibo WU.
3) Due that your host crunch less WU per day.
4) Your RAC will follow that.
5) And CreditScrew just make that worst.

But don't worry you are still doing the same work for the project. So science is still happening.
Just the credit is less. I agree that is weird. Just try to explain why that is happening.


Not true Juan.
My host produces more tasks per day as with arecibo tasks.
Ryzen loves BLC tasks.
I`m doing more tasks with my CPU than with GPU.
Arecibo takes ~4000 sec on CPU BLC ~ 2500 - 3000 sec.
Before we got ~100 CR for non overflow tasks, now its ~ 50 -60 cr.
Not that i really care, just for explanation.
Everyone gets the same and i`m here for science.
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Message 1912594 - Posted: 12 Jan 2018, 18:14:06 UTC - in response to Message 1912590.  

I agree with Mike's statement. Ryzen loves BLC cpu tasks. Almost 50% faster than Arecibo cpu tasks.
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Message 1912595 - Posted: 12 Jan 2018, 18:14:33 UTC - in response to Message 1912590.  
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My host produces more tasks per day as with arecibo tasks.
Ryzen loves BLC tasks.
I`m doing more tasks with my CPU than with GPU.
Arecibo takes ~4000 sec on CPU BLC ~ 2500 - 3000 sec.
Before we got ~100 CR for non overflow tasks, now its ~ 50 -60 cr.

Good to know. Maybe it s time for me to think about an "update" in my CPU/MB
I know i have an Aorus AX370-Gaming K5 MB hidden in some place here.
In mine GPU's blc05takes 2:20-2:25 min Arecibo Non Vlars <2 min. Previous blc 3-4 min.
so the new blc05 WU crunches a lot faster than the previous blc WU but still slower than the Arecibo non Vlars.
At least on my host. So as Always YMMV.

But the deflation from 100 cr/WU to 50-60 cr/WU is the same here. LOL
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Message 1912600 - Posted: 12 Jan 2018, 18:38:00 UTC - in response to Message 1912595.  

Well, given the fact that we have been dealing with a site not working correctly for, what?? a week in a half to 2 weeks? Is it REALLY that surprising that RAC is falling??

Given that my caches are not able to be kept filled to feed the GPUs, they are force to turn to their back up projects to make up the difference.

So...I don't know why everyone is making a big deal out of RAC decline during this period. Yes Arecibo data is gone, but we already knew that was coming.....
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Message 1912605 - Posted: 12 Jan 2018, 19:02:28 UTC - in response to Message 1912600.  

Well, given the fact that we have been dealing with a site not working correctly for, what?? a week in a half to 2 weeks? Is it REALLY that surprising that RAC is falling??

Given that my caches are not able to be kept filled to feed the GPUs, they are force to turn to their back up projects to make up the difference.

So...I don't know why everyone is making a big deal out of RAC decline during this period. Yes Arecibo data is gone, but we already knew that was coming.....

As I said, I don't have a beef about my RAC dropping, really.
I would just like the amount of credit awarded for work done to stabilize and not keep dropping, whatever the amount.
I don't think that is too much to ask.

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Message 1912638 - Posted: 12 Jan 2018, 22:08:12 UTC

But also that it becomes project scientists a little down here, so also the question of where it all meets, by making it both a bit of number crunching and also science,
if not any Governance as well for making it all perhaps succeed, or at least for the hope of such.
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Message 1912641 - Posted: 12 Jan 2018, 22:11:49 UTC - in response to Message 1912600.  

So...I don't know why everyone is making a big deal out of RAC decline during this period.

What sucks is that we are processing more work, but getting less recognition for the work we have done.
As others have pointed out, what used to pay around 100 now pays 50-60.
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Message 1912648 - Posted: 12 Jan 2018, 22:45:03 UTC - in response to Message 1912605.  

As I said, I don't have a beef about my RAC dropping, really.
I would just like the amount of credit awarded for work done to stabilize and not keep dropping, whatever the amount.
I don't think that is too much to ask.

Meow.

I upgraded my 970 to 1080 some 14 days ago and now my RAC goes down , not what I really expected... So I agree 100% what your saying.
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Message 1912651 - Posted: 12 Jan 2018, 22:51:05 UTC - in response to Message 1912648.  

As I said, I don't have a beef about my RAC dropping, really.
I would just like the amount of credit awarded for work done to stabilize and not keep dropping, whatever the amount.
I don't think that is too much to ask.

Meow.

I upgraded my 970 to 1080 some 14 days ago and now my RAC goes down , not what I really expected... So I agree 100% what your saying.

I agree, the credit situation does not give much endorsement to procuring new hardware, does it?
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Message 1912655 - Posted: 12 Jan 2018, 23:12:30 UTC

Hmmm, I wonder .... About the same time these BLC5 tasks showed up, they updated the splitter code (I think) I wonder if the averaging sstem became broken (frozen) or reset to an arbitrary number by doing so ...
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Message 1912699 - Posted: 13 Jan 2018, 2:04:30 UTC - in response to Message 1912655.  

Hmmm, I wonder .... About the same time these BLC5 tasks showed up, they updated the splitter code (I think) I wonder if the averaging sstem became broken (frozen) or reset to an arbitrary number by doing so ...

They did??? Do you remember where you read that? I don't remember anything about the splitter code being updated.
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Message 1912702 - Posted: 13 Jan 2018, 2:22:00 UTC - in response to Message 1912699.  

Ohh, I meant scheduler.
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Message 1912703 - Posted: 13 Jan 2018, 2:25:20 UTC - in response to Message 1912702.  

Ohh, I meant scheduler.

Got it. You were referencing the recent server issues with the database that were addressed.
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Message 1912730 - Posted: 13 Jan 2018, 5:07:09 UTC

If it drops south any faster I'll start to feel g forces
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Message 1912782 - Posted: 13 Jan 2018, 12:17:39 UTC - in response to Message 1912556.  
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TBH, what I mostly care about my RAC is that it is an indication of how much actual work I am doing, how hard my system has been working, and _especially_ if something is going wrong. If my RAC is falling, and there is still work in the cache, everything else being equal, that would indicate to me that there is something going on with my computer, and I had best take a look at it to see why. I guess that would be my perfect world scenario, but from the comments above, it appears quite unlikely that it will be addressed any time the the foreseeable future.


Hello Al,

that's is the point !! I try to make that clear, too. I'm looking for the mistake in my house - which is completely unnecessary! Maybe I am a little smarter about this thread than before and do not look for my installation in the future anymore. Maybe I'll only look if the calculator smokes ?! ;-)

greetings Klaus
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Message 1912784 - Posted: 13 Jan 2018, 12:26:58 UTC

If it smokes maybe to late!
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