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Message 1912416 - Posted: 11 Jan 2018, 22:50:42 UTC

lack of AP make me falling down ...


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Message 1912460 - Posted: 12 Jan 2018, 4:23:54 UTC

Easy fix:
You credit hounds needs to buy more computers, and crunch more, to keep your RAC.
David wants that, that's why he created Credit New.
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Message 1912469 - Posted: 12 Jan 2018, 5:01:13 UTC

Hello All, hello Admins,

Dissatisfaction increases. for the work done the ratings have been falling for weeks. The cause in one's own place is appropriate - but useless. The rating system of seti is scrap. This has been known for years - but nothing is done. I'm a bit silly, that I get upset about it. But it is a broken system, which leads us astray. That is bad and should be improved. Is that possible?

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Message 1912473 - Posted: 12 Jan 2018, 5:11:42 UTC

Listen to them scream. There was a tropical cyclone and it did damage. You want AP for BIG Credit, send people to fix Puerto Rico and maybe Arecibo will be able to send tapes to Berkeley to be split into AP work units.
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Message 1912478 - Posted: 12 Jan 2018, 5:41:05 UTC - in response to Message 1912473.  

Listen to them scream. There was a tropical cyclone and it did damage. You want AP for BIG Credit, send people to fix Puerto Rico and maybe Arecibo will be able to send tapes to Berkeley to be split into AP work units.

Even that doesn't work as well as it did. Payouts for AP WUs were falling like a stone as well.
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Message 1912480 - Posted: 12 Jan 2018, 5:49:19 UTC - in response to Message 1912369.  

Modify the code to properly award credit consistently for the flops used to complete the task the same across all devices

That's what we had before Credit New.
The number of FLOPS were actually counted while the WU was processed. As long as the WU result and the number of FLOPS counted by each system were a close enough match, Credit was granted. The more work (FLOPS) you did, the more you got paid. The less you did, the less you got paid. It didn't matter how long it took, what OS you had, what hardware you used, what application you used. It didn't matter who your wingman was or what hardware or application or OS they used. You did X amount of work, you got x amount of Credits. You did Y amount of work, you got y amount of Credits. You did Z amount of work, you got z amount of Credits.
It was a very good system.
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Message 1912481 - Posted: 12 Jan 2018, 5:50:44 UTC - in response to Message 1912469.  

That is bad and should be improved. Is that possible?

Possible, yes.
Likely to happen? Nope.
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Message 1912497 - Posted: 12 Jan 2018, 6:53:47 UTC - in response to Message 1912480.  

I agree, it was a very good system. Fat chance of it returning. Richard Haselgrove informed me that all previous versions of the credit algorithm code were expunged and not backed up anywhere. All that is available in the BOINC code tree is CreditNew.

From his post at GPUGrid.net:
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Be careful of your terms. 'CreditNew' has been the default BOINC mechanism since 2010. I suspect this is what GPUGrid is using for these tasks: the support mechanisms for 'even older credit' have been removed from the codebase.

David has expressed an interest in exploring credit mechanisms: I am the only person (so far) to have responded to Issue #2132 in over 3 months.

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Message 1912503 - Posted: 12 Jan 2018, 7:34:29 UTC

I've decided after fall of RAC to run other projects and not focas on RAC with just 1 laptop was bound to happen,
running Milkyway@Home what others are good?

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Message 1912506 - Posted: 12 Jan 2018, 7:42:41 UTC
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Sadly this laptop is only thing i have, think most have forgotten that this is crunching when computer is not doing anything..
If and when Seti@home starts to use (Parkes) I just hope they don't up the anti on crunching, not all are rich!!..

And some feedback or praise on our work would be nice, during the donation time not a single THANK YOU almost like it was expected unless you was a top notch!
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Message 1912507 - Posted: 12 Jan 2018, 7:43:58 UTC - in response to Message 1912503.  

I've decided after fall of RAC to run other projects and not focas on RAC with just 1 laptop was bound to happen,
running Milkyway@Home what others are good?

I run Seti for the science, not for the Credit (yes, it would be nice to have our contributions acknowledged, but i'm doing the work because I like the concept of the project. Is there anyone else out there? Won't know if we don't look).
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Message 1912508 - Posted: 12 Jan 2018, 7:49:32 UTC - in response to Message 1912507.  
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Shame of the lack of feedback..I watched lots of questions towards Seti@home,
only the well known was answered during the donation period many went not-answered, I know things have been tough around here lately, But come on what is the status with ALL..
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Message 1912528 - Posted: 12 Jan 2018, 11:04:09 UTC - in response to Message 1912460.  

Easy fix:
You credit hounds needs to buy more computers, and crunch more, to keep your RAC.
David wants that, that's why he created Credit New.


Seti cobblestones as the first Cryptocurrency?
Also for Cryptos in the beginning it is easy to get new coins and then it gets more and more resource demanding, since the system is usually closed and maximum number of issuable coins predetermined.

In short, it is a deflationary system, as they can be described in economy.
In such a system, you get more with less coins. This in part would explain why Cryptocurrency value increases with time, net of the huge speculation going on.
SETI in the same way gets more work done with less cobblestones, since cobblestones are increasing their value the same way e.g. Bitcoin does.

We also have in part some technicalities that remind the blockchain structure (not on the storage side, though, which is still centralised), since SETI cobblestones are issued by making more servers agree on their value (compute->report->compare results among clients->get credit)

Anyone more inside both sides of the field can confirm or deny deeper analogies? :-)

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Message 1912531 - Posted: 12 Jan 2018, 12:41:25 UTC

Is it pure coincidence that we are all seeing our RAC drop after probably installing a certain patch from Microsoft in the last 7 days that was headlined to slow PC's down by up to 30% ????
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Message 1912532 - Posted: 12 Jan 2018, 12:57:29 UTC

pure coïncidence , this patch is not installed on my crunching box ^^

it's due to the type of Wu crunched now and the lack of AP wu ;)
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Message 1912537 - Posted: 12 Jan 2018, 13:50:03 UTC

Nothing to do with MS this time, so pure coincidence :-(
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Message 1912540 - Posted: 12 Jan 2018, 14:16:38 UTC - in response to Message 1912531.  

no way - the seti-hardware will not be patched.
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Message 1912544 - Posted: 12 Jan 2018, 14:24:49 UTC

No patches installed here yet.
But the credit rate sure appears to be dropping.

Meowsigh.
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Message 1912545 - Posted: 12 Jan 2018, 14:26:16 UTC
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Message 1912555 - Posted: 12 Jan 2018, 14:59:54 UTC
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Nothing related to M$, Linux boxes has the same decline (or even worst)

A simple explanation why that's happening:

1) About a little more than a week ago the project only has blc WU to crunch. (Few Arecibo/AP WU only resends AFAIK)
2)They crunch slower than the common Arecibo WU.
3) Due that your host crunch less WU per day.
4) Your RAC will follow that.
5) And CreditScrew just make that worst.

But don't worry you are still doing the same work for the project. So science is still happening.
Just the credit is less. I agree that is weird. Just try to explain why that is happening.
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