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Message 1940118 - Posted: 18 Jun 2018, 21:21:13 UTC - in response to Message 1940117.  

Nothing new in politics. Every administration leaves problems for the incoming administration to resolve. Get over it.
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Message 1940122 - Posted: 18 Jun 2018, 21:28:49 UTC - in response to Message 1940120.  

Ooh, nice change professor. :-)
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Message 1940125 - Posted: 18 Jun 2018, 21:31:42 UTC

Australia is no different, when a government is in opposition they will always blame the party in power when things go south..
It's the nature of politics, look after one thing "Their Own Pockets".
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Message 1940134 - Posted: 18 Jun 2018, 21:46:01 UTC - in response to Message 1940131.  

Ooh, nice change
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Hi Monosyllabic Grunting One. Your falsehood that I have changed my opinion regarding 'Separation' from my previous posts...

Well...'nuff said.

tut tut tut. You wrote "I unlike Sirius B" which I was about to reply to when YOU changed your comment, so do not deny it to make yourself look like you are being personally attacked. :-)
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Message 1940137 - Posted: 18 Jun 2018, 21:49:29 UTC

JE... What difference does it make regarding who started or implemented this disgusting 'Policy'?

It is still disgusting.
There is NO ARGUMENT the law is disgusting, but it is THE LAW.

CONGRESS can change that law, The President can only suspend or issue an Imperial Fiat to disregard it which can be easily overturned by the next President. THAT is what got us in this mess to begin with.

Congress needs to DO IT'S JOB. Get off their FAT ASSES and actually make a change for the good.

Until that law is changed, blaming the enforcers is like bugs blaming the bug zapper when they voluntarily fly into it! The Parents of these children KNOW this is going to happen when they cross the border, if there is any child abuse going on THOSE PARENTS are responsible for putting their OWN CHILDREN in harms way.

But when you have a prominent and familiar scapegoat like Trump why let facts get in the way.

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Message 1940143 - Posted: 18 Jun 2018, 21:53:17 UTC - in response to Message 1940137.  

The Parents of these children KNOW this is going to happen when they cross the border, if there is any child abuse going on THOSE PARENTS are responsible for putting their OWN CHILDREN in harms way.
Probably get admonished for this but don't give a monkeys! Totally agree with that statement!
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Message 1940154 - Posted: 18 Jun 2018, 22:03:54 UTC - in response to Message 1940147.  

You cannot have Law without Authority.
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Message 1940155 - Posted: 18 Jun 2018, 22:07:09 UTC - in response to Message 1940143.  

The Parents of these children KNOW this is going to happen when they cross the border, if there is any child abuse going on THOSE PARENTS are responsible for putting their OWN CHILDREN in harms way.
Probably get admonished for this but don't give a monkeys! Totally agree with that statement!

If they knew people might agree with you. They don't know. They are fleeing with just the clothes on their backs and their children, fleeing the dictators the GOP props up, but that is beside the point. They don't have time to sit and read a newspaper or watch a TV. Oh an 99 out of 100 aren't illegal. They present themselves to an agent at a crossing and make a request for admission. That's when Trump strikes and snatches their child away. And now that he has dragged them away from the crossing point he can and does charge them with illegal entry.
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Message 1940157 - Posted: 18 Jun 2018, 22:08:00 UTC - in response to Message 1940154.  

You cannot have Law without Authority.

Authority stems from the consent of the governed. No consent, no authority, no law.
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Message 1940163 - Posted: 18 Jun 2018, 22:12:57 UTC - in response to Message 1940155.  

If they knew people might agree with you. They don't know. They are fleeing with just the clothes on their backs and their children, fleeing the dictators the GOP props up, but that is beside the point. They don't have time to sit and read a newspaper or watch a TV. Oh an 99 out of 100 aren't illegal. They present themselves to an agent at a crossing and make a request for admission. That's when Trump strikes and snatches their child away. And now that he has dragged them away from the crossing point he can and does charge them with illegal entry.
No disrespect or offence but how factual is that?
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Message 1940169 - Posted: 18 Jun 2018, 22:26:17 UTC - in response to Message 1940168.  

That hasn't answered my question.

BTW it is dangerous to assume :-)
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Message 1940172 - Posted: 18 Jun 2018, 22:41:04 UTC - in response to Message 1940171.  

That hasn't answered my question.

BTW it is dangerous to assume :-)

Sorry Sirius B. Another false allegation on your part.

The original post was:

If they knew people might agree with you. They don't know. They are fleeing with just the clothes on their backs and their children, fleeing the dictators the GOP props up, but that is beside the point. They don't have time to sit and read a newspaper or watch a TV. Oh an 99 out of 100 aren't illegal. They present themselves to an agent at a crossing and make a request for admission. That's when Trump strikes and snatches their child away. And now that he has dragged them away from the crossing point he can and does charge them with illegal entry.

You then asked:

No disrespect or offence but how factual is that?

I answered:

It would be safe to assume that some know and some don't know. What is the percentage would be really hard to determine.

Sorry Sirius B. But unless you have interviewed all these people, and you haven't. Or you can attribute facts.
Yes you answered & now highlight what you want from the quote, how about answering what I highlighted, then it can be assumed that you fully answered the question.
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Message 1940176 - Posted: 18 Jun 2018, 22:58:45 UTC - in response to Message 1940163.  
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No disrespect or offence but how factual is that?
More so than that what issues from Rump's mouth.
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Message 1940177 - Posted: 18 Jun 2018, 23:03:12 UTC - in response to Message 1940173.  

Who's going to pay for it?

Since I know three people who have been inside the US Space Command all I have to say is why does Rump want to create an entirely new swamp? Does he need all those new hires to keep the unemployment rate low?
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Message 1940187 - Posted: 19 Jun 2018, 0:09:07 UTC - in response to Message 1940177.  

WPA?
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Message 1940197 - Posted: 19 Jun 2018, 0:35:03 UTC - in response to Message 1940189.  

Amerika is getting better all the time. Soon Amerika will be great.
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Message 1940220 - Posted: 19 Jun 2018, 2:55:24 UTC

How soon before the charges are "the crime against humanity"?
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Message 1940240 - Posted: 19 Jun 2018, 8:53:36 UTC - in response to Message 1940189.  
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•Trump administration could be holding 30,000 border kids by August, officials say•

An HHS official added that the agency expects to be taking about 250 kids each day at least for the next two months. If that estimate holds, HHS could be caring for 18,500 more children by the end of August.

The HHS official said as of Friday, HHS was already holding 11,500 children, which means the total could hit 30,000 by August.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/us-could-be-holding-30-000-border-kids-by-august-officials

Is Trump kidding?

Unfortunately, no.
Surprised that your media is not filming & broadcasting. Is that because the images would eerily compare to "The Final Solution" of yesteryear? I trust that with the way you have ranted against Nazis you are contacting your Congressman/Senator to have it stopped?

Yep, quite reminiscent of yesteryear

Nice conduct from employees of a federal agency - "Ve have to make America great again!"
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Message 1940246 - Posted: 19 Jun 2018, 12:31:23 UTC

Whilst I know that the BBC has been accused of fake news, I for one am more likley to believe what I read there than anywhere else.

So is this the truth or fake?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-44303556

The claim: US President Donald Trump says the Democrats created a law that separates children from parents who cross the US-Mexico border illegally.

Verdict: There is no law on separating children from parents at the border, but rather a policy introduced recently by the Trump administration.

The policy has led to 1,995 children being separated from families at the border between 19 April and 31 May, in addition to a further 700 children since October 2017.

Changes under Mr Trump's Zero-Tolerance Policy include expediting the process to determine eligibility to remain, promptly removing those who are denied, and criminally prosecuting migrants for first-time border offences, which were previously treated as civil violations.

Because the children of prosecuted migrants are not charged with any crime, they are not permitted to be jailed with their parents. But in addition to removing children from apprehended illegal migrants, children have been separated from asylum-seekers.

Seeking asylum is not illegal.

The president blamed Democrats for the policy. In May, he urged putting "pressure on the Democrats to end the horrible law that separates children (from) their parents once they cross the Border in the US".

On 16 June, he tweeted "Democrats can fix their forced family break-up at the border by working with Republicans on new legislation, for a change!" and two days later accused the Democrats of being "weak and ineffective" with border security.

There is no law that mandates separating children from parents who cross the border illegally.

In 1997, Democratic President Bill Clinton signed the Flores Settlement law that required unaccompanied minors who arrive in the US to be released to their parents, a legal guardian or an adult relative, If no relatives are available then the relevant government agency can appoint an appropriate adult to look after the child.

And in 2008, Republican President George W. Bush signed an anti-trafficking statue that requires unaccompanied minors to be transferred out of immigration centres within 72 hours. Neither of these recommends separating families.

The policy is meant to deter illegal immigration.

"If you don't want your child separated, then don't bring them across the border illegally," said Attorney General Jeff Sessions.

He followed this up in several interviews, saying, "We're doing the right thing. We're taking care of these children.

"Our policies are discouraging people from making children endure that treacherous journey."

In February, the American Civil Liberties Union filed a lawsuit on behalf of a mother from Congo to have her seven-year-old daughter returned to her, after the little girl was held separately for more than four months during their application for asylum. The same organisation is seeking a nationwide injunction against separating families.

On 16 June, First Lady Melania Trump made the same assertion as her husband, blaming politicians for her husband's own policy.

Her spokesperson said: "Mrs Trump hates to see children separated from their families and hopes both sides of the aisle can finally come together to achieve successful immigration reform. She believes we need to be a country that follows all laws, but also a country that governs with heart."
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