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Message 1912462 - Posted: 12 Jan 2018, 4:31:23 UTC - in response to Message 1912458.  

The worst offender is Einstein which still uses DCF and DOESN'T use APR.

Yeah, but Einstein works well.
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Message 1912463 - Posted: 12 Jan 2018, 4:37:11 UTC - in response to Message 1912462.  

The worst offender is Einstein which still uses DCF and DOESN'T use APR.

Yeah, but Einstein works well.

I would not agree with statement at all ..... not in a month of Sundays. Einstein sends WAY TOO WORK when requested since its estimate of how much work requested is completely out to lunch. I have to abort 2/3 of the tasks it sends me at every request.
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Message 1912464 - Posted: 12 Jan 2018, 4:46:51 UTC - in response to Message 1912463.  

I would not agree with statement at all ..... not in a month of Sundays. Einstein sends WAY TOO WORK when requested since its estimate of how much work requested is completely out to lunch. I have to abort 2/3 of the tasks it sends me at every request.

That's Boinc averaging Cpu run times with GPU run times. Since Einstein ran out of gravity waves a couple of weeks ago and I now run only seti on the CPUs there is no problem.
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Message 1912467 - Posted: 12 Jan 2018, 4:54:04 UTC - in response to Message 1912464.  

I've never run cpu tasks at either Milkyway or Einstein. Just Seti ..... just recently as an experiment I ran some cpu tasks at GPUGrid.net.
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Message 1912472 - Posted: 12 Jan 2018, 5:10:53 UTC - in response to Message 1912463.  

The worst offender is Einstein which still uses DCF and DOESN'T use APR.

Yeah, but Einstein works well.

I would not agree with statement at all ..... not in a month of Sundays. Einstein sends WAY TOO WORK when requested since its estimate of how much work requested is completely out to lunch. I have to abort 2/3 of the tasks it sends me at every request.

I would agree ...
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Message 1912477 - Posted: 12 Jan 2018, 5:31:04 UTC
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I don't know what you guys are doing, the time estimates on both of my boxes with GTX1060s are very accurate. I run 2 at a time and they process at the rate of 4 an hour, so they estimate 30 min a task.
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Message 1912479 - Posted: 12 Jan 2018, 5:49:01 UTC

I test ran some Einstein work and it bogged my rig down so far it became totally unusable for anything else. That was during the great SETI outage of '16 and I havn't tried it since.

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Message 1912482 - Posted: 12 Jan 2018, 5:55:38 UTC - in response to Message 1912431.  

I was pretty sure it wasn't just the credit calculation that needed the APR

And running more than 1 WU at a time results in a significantly reduced APR value- even though you might be doing more work per hour. And rescheduling does all sorts of things to APR values.
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Message 1912484 - Posted: 12 Jan 2018, 6:00:04 UTC - in response to Message 1912477.  

I don't know what you guys are doing, the time estimates on both of my boxes with GTX1060s are very accurate. I run 2 at a time and they process at the rate of 4 an hour, so they estimate 30 min a task.

But you get deadline issues on the CPU tasks?
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Message 1912493 - Posted: 12 Jan 2018, 6:31:10 UTC - in response to Message 1912461.  

I still am unable to keep my cache filled on the Linux machine. Down a hundred gpu tasks. Nothing but no work is available messages upon work requests.


. . Have you "kicked" the server?

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Message 1912496 - Posted: 12 Jan 2018, 6:46:09 UTC - in response to Message 1912493.  

I kept threatening, mainly toggling preferences and the Triple Update. Haven't resorted to kicking server. Cache is full right now. Not going to do anything. Will have to see where I am at in the morning. Calling a night.
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Message 1912501 - Posted: 12 Jan 2018, 7:31:37 UTC - in response to Message 1912420.  

Thanks Richard - I woke up in the "wee small hours" and thought "there's something else to do with APR" and you got to the keyboard before I did.
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Message 1912521 - Posted: 12 Jan 2018, 9:52:43 UTC - in response to Message 1912479.  

I test ran some Einstein work and it bogged my rig down so far it became totally unusable for anything else. That was during the great SETI outage of '16 and I haven't tried it since.

Just curious, was that CPU work, GPU work or a combination?
Since I run Einstein only as filler for SETI, I set it up for GPU-only, as running the SETI CPU cache dry is not an issue for me.
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Message 1912529 - Posted: 12 Jan 2018, 11:38:24 UTC - in response to Message 1912496.  

I kept threatening, mainly toggling preferences and the Triple Update. Haven't resorted to kicking server. Cache is full right now. Not going to do anything. Will have to see where I am at in the morning. Calling a night.


. . I hope you got a good night's sleep :)

Stephen

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Message 1912538 - Posted: 12 Jan 2018, 14:04:58 UTC - in response to Message 1912477.  

I don't know what you guys are doing, the time estimates on both of my boxes with GTX1060s are very accurate. I run 2 at a time and they process at the rate of 4 an hour, so they estimate 30 min a task.

I was running my R9 390x 24/7 on it for a few months until I rotated to Milkyway. The only work fetch issue I had was not filling my 5+5 day cache queue. I was only getting ~8 days worth of tasks.
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Message 1912548 - Posted: 12 Jan 2018, 14:30:17 UTC

Just curious, was that CPU work, GPU work or a combination?
Since I run Einstein only as filler for SETI, I set it up for GPU-only, as running the SETI CPU cache dry is not an issue for me.
It was a combination. It crashed everything so bad, I just stopped the requests and let the cache run dry. Haven't messed with it since as SETI has been 'Steady'.....

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Message 1912554 - Posted: 12 Jan 2018, 14:47:34 UTC - in response to Message 1912548.  
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Just curious, was that CPU work, GPU work or a combination?
Since I run Einstein only as filler for SETI, I set it up for GPU-only, as running the SETI CPU cache dry is not an issue for me.
It was a combination. It crashed everything so bad, I just stopped the requests and let the cache run dry. Haven't messed with it since as SETI has been 'Steady'.....

I believe you have the same trouble some of us has in the past.
Is the way the cache works when you run both projects.
If you use the normal Seti WU days cache like 3 days in E@H E@ DL a lot of WU making our host "hostage" of than amount of WU's
To fix run both projects and E@H as a backup project just put 0 (zero) as resource share on E@H settings.
That will allow your host DL just 1 E@H WU at a time and crunch it but only when your Seti cache where dry.
As soon as the Seti work where available it will return to fill your cache with Seti WU's and they will start as soons as the E@H ends to crunch or in 60 min (you could change that too).
Hope that's help.
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Message 1912571 - Posted: 12 Jan 2018, 16:08:00 UTC - in response to Message 1912529.  

I kept threatening, mainly toggling preferences and the Triple Update. Haven't resorted to kicking server. Cache is full right now. Not going to do anything. Will have to see where I am at in the morning. Calling a night.


. . I hope you got a good night's sleep :)

Stephen

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Down about 80 tasks in the caches. Doesn't help that overnight, eventually all the machines sync up with their work requests timings. Never figured out why, something to do with BoincTasks monitoring and server set gpu backoffs or whatever. Triple update on all machines staggered by a minute got everyone full.
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Message 1912583 - Posted: 12 Jan 2018, 17:16:29 UTC - in response to Message 1912484.  

I don't know what you guys are doing, the time estimates on both of my boxes with GTX1060s are very accurate. I run 2 at a time and they process at the rate of 4 an hour, so they estimate 30 min a task.

But you get deadline issues on the CPU tasks?

I did because of the averaging of run times between the CPU and GPU. With no CPU work being done at Einstein, the Seti CPU work is not affected by the Einstein GPU work.
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Message 1912599 - Posted: 12 Jan 2018, 18:30:17 UTC - in response to Message 1912463.  

The worst offender is Einstein which still uses DCF and DOESN'T use APR.

Yeah, but Einstein works well.

I would not agree with statement at all ..... not in a month of Sundays. Einstein sends WAY TOO WORK when requested since its estimate of how much work requested is completely out to lunch. I have to abort 2/3 of the tasks it sends me at every request.


As Juan pointed out, if you leave Einstein as a backup, it will only supply you enough to crunch at that moment when you ask for work, ie 1 work unit per card until you finished that work unit. However, if you use it as your main project, then you need to edit your preferences on how many days worth of work. For seti I have my days set gto 10 and 0.1 extra. However, when I make Einstein my main project, I change my cache to 0.1 day and 0.1 extra, that prevents huge amount from being downloaded. GPUGrid, doesn't matter how you set your preferences, you get 1 per card and 1 extra only.

So you just have to figure out the best configuration for each project,

oh, and if you forget to change 0.1 back to 10 when you move from Einstein to Seti, you figure it out quickly as you don't get the full allotment of 100 work units per GPU/CPU.....
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