I don't know if RIP is appropriate here, but many others can now rest in peace.

Charles Manson, leader of murderous '60s cult, dead at 83

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Have a great time in Hell, Charly.

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"Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster

The pine box awaits thee Charlie...

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The T1 Trust, PRR T1 Class 4-4-4-4 #5550, 1 of America's First HST's

The man who killed the summer of love.

Hope you get to feel the maggots eating your body. Rot in Hell.

RoT

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Rot In Pieces!!!!!

I say cremate the body and throw the ashes in a volcano!


TL

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I don't believe in either heaven or hell, but if I did I don't think I would ever wish anybody there, even Charles Manson.

He was obviously a very sick man from a very challenging background.

Wishing comfort and peace to the families victimized by his followers.

I don't believe in either heaven or hell, but if I did I don't think I would ever wish anybody there, even Charles Manson.

He was obviously a very sick man from a very challenging background.

Wishing comfort and peace to the families victimized by his followers.

+1

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The T1 Trust, PRR T1 Class 4-4-4-4 #5550, 1 of America's First HST's

I don't believe in either heaven or hell, but if I did I don't think I would ever wish anybody there, even Charles Manson.

He was obviously a very sick man from a very challenging background.

Wishing comfort and peace to the families victimized by his followers.

And here I thought I was going to be the first to post something akin to this, until I got to yours. It's too bad we still choose to vilify sick people like Manson rather than understand what causes/creates a monster like him and recognize how we can prevent that in the future. I think a good starting point is learning to use sympathy better.

I, too, wish comfort and peace to all the families victimized by his followers.

Angela, I think he already was in hell. He definitely brought forth some hell on this earth.

Living in LA in 1969 going to middle school, with the then unsolved unspeakable murders on the front page of the evening paper, which I saw to get to the comics page, and on the TV news every night for months, then the trial over the course of the following year, made an impression. One I can't get past. He stole the innocence of my childhood. He made hippie's and flower children bad. He ended the summer of love. He forced me to be adult years before I should have. I can't forgive for stealing dreams.

In any case the taxpayers in California are no longer giving him free room and board and the chance to recruit more followers.

Gary, I am sorry that you were so personally impacted by this case at such an impressionable age. Wishing you peace.

As you might imagine, I am 100% not in favor of the death penalty, but I suppose that is a topic for Politics and not the Cafe.

Probably best way is to copy what happened here for the Moors Murderer, Ian Brady.
Moors murderer Ian Brady buried at sea after cremation

Chris wrote:

Angela wrote:

As you might imagine, I am 100% not in favo(u)r of the death penalty,

I'm against it in principle as well. But there are so many cases where it really does make you wonder whether incarcerated in prison for the rest of your life is a worse punishment than a quick execution. Take Rudolf Hess, Ian Brady, Myra Hindley, James Earl Ray, Fred West etc.

The whole shebang revolves around punishing the wrongdoer, and a lesson to others not to transgress. How unpleasant do you want to make the punishment, and how strong the deterrent.

There are studies indicating it fails to act as a deterrent. There are also studies showing that punishment does not work.

Society has to make some better choices.
1) Punish - extract vengeance
2) Rehabilitate
3) Some test to determine if rehabilitation is possible, if not weld the cage shut
4) decide if the no parole persons can offer or be used for some benefit to society, or is the best benefit to the taxpayer an early termination

The whole shebang revolves around punishing the wrongdoer, and a lesson to others not to transgress. How unpleasant do you want to make the punishment, and how strong the deterrent.

In theory, prison is supposed to be a place of reflection, contrition and rehabilitation. The reality of prison life, however, is probably not that in most cases.

Life imprisonment without the possibility of parole is an unfortunate necessity that I think should rarely be exercised. Sentencing someone to this fate is a public reminder of our collective shame because it is essentially saying: "We don't know how to help you, and we do not expect to know how to help you for the remainder of your years. You have lost the right to walk freely among us because, untreated, you are a threat to our safety. You were convicted of terrible things, but we have also failed you."

Peace on Earth.

...or is the best benefit to the taxpayer an early termination

Doing this would require putting a price on human life, and that is something I find abhorrent.

I would never vote for anyone who expressed this sentiment. I would protest the appointment of any judge who expressed this sentiment.

I guess I am giving him the same level of mercy and forgiveness that he gave his victims so many years ago.

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"Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster

I guess I am giving him the same level of mercy and forgiveness that he gave his victims so many years ago.

Does that my you any better?
I know you are. You would never order the death of a group of people who have done you no harm. But could you order the death of someone who has?
I do not support the taking of life and am fortunate to have never had to make that call. The cases I heard were all related to money or careers. I never heard criminal cases. I defended some, but only one murder rape. The details don't belong here. Let's just say I won the case then quit criminal defense.
Our system of justice is not perfect. But I don't have a better solution.

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I guess I am giving him the same level of mercy and forgiveness that he gave his victims so many years ago.

Does that my you any better?
I know you are. You would never order the death of a group of people who have done you no harm. But could you order the death of someone who has?
I do not support the taking of life and am fortunate to have never had to make that call. The cases I heard were all related to money or careers. I never heard criminal cases. I defended some, but only one murder rape. The details don't belong here. Let's just say I won the case then quit criminal defense.
Our system of justice is not perfect. But I don't have a better solution.

He was not given the death penalty. And I did not say I supported one for him.
I am just saying that I am not in the 'pity poor Charlie' school of thought.

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"Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster

I guess I am giving him the same level of mercy and forgiveness that he gave his victims so many years ago.

Does that my you any better?
I know you are. You would never order the death of a group of people who have done you no harm. But could you order the death of someone who has?
I do not support the taking of life and am fortunate to have never had to make that call. The cases I heard were all related to money or careers. I never heard criminal cases. I defended some, but only one murder rape. The details don't belong here. Let's just say I won the case then quit criminal defense.
Our system of justice is not perfect. But I don't have a better solution.

He was not given the death penalty. And I did not say I supported one for him.
I am just saying that I am not in the 'pity poor Charlie' school of thought.

Sorry Mark, I was not saying you did. Simply acknowledging that its a hard call. As you know I sat as a Judge. I have made decisions that impacted peoples lives in pretty profound ways. I am glad that life in prison or death was never a call I had to make. (PS: He was given the death penalty. California's law was held unconstitutional before he was killed so he ended up with life in prison, with the possibility of parole.)

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Angela, all the social species on this planet do something akin to this.

BTW early termination does not necessarily mean execution.