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zoom3+1=4 Send message Joined: 30 Nov 03 Posts: 65736 Credit: 55,293,173 RAC: 49 |
Slight problem there with the cacao beans Angela, they're native to the Americas only. All humans originated from Africa, and the beans only grow 20 degrees North and South of the Equator. Of course the Isthmus of Panama has only existed for about 2.8 Million years. Now continental drift won't explain this by itself, but if some fossil cacao bean trees could be found in East African rocks, then you might have something. The T1 Trust, PRR T1 Class 4-4-4-4 #5550, 1 of America's First HST's |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30638 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Or perhaps we are descended from some other beast that ate a cacao ancestor. Or perhaps the adaptation was the other way for dogs, who may have lost this ability. |
zoom3+1=4 Send message Joined: 30 Nov 03 Posts: 65736 Credit: 55,293,173 RAC: 49 |
Alternatively, our ancestors could have developed an enzyme that helped them digest the fruit of a plant that wasn't cacao, but that maybe shared a distant plant ancestor with cacao. Then, when our ancestors encountered cacao by migrating to the Americas, they were more than half way there, "evolutionarily speaking", in terms of tolerating and eventually benefiting from cacao-calories in their diets. Agreed, but then I don't always use the wiki, there are lots of edu sites, here and there on the net, and I've had since 1992 to explore. The T1 Trust, PRR T1 Class 4-4-4-4 #5550, 1 of America's First HST's |
zoom3+1=4 Send message Joined: 30 Nov 03 Posts: 65736 Credit: 55,293,173 RAC: 49 |
It seems Grapes and Cacao are related according to nature.com. The T1 Trust, PRR T1 Class 4-4-4-4 #5550, 1 of America's First HST's |
soft^spirit Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 6497 Credit: 34,134,168 RAC: 0 |
Amazon (and others) do indeed have access to them. I still have a few left from my last order. MINE!! Janice |
Angela Send message Joined: 16 Oct 07 Posts: 13130 Credit: 39,854,104 RAC: 31 |
Or perhaps we are descended from some other beast that ate a cacao ancestor. Or perhaps the adaptation was the other way for dogs, who may have lost this ability. This is probably right, and silly, silly me for forgetting that it is easier to lose evolutionary traits than to gain them!!! Some sort of placental mammal probably developed the ability to tolerate cacao, or tolerate some plant that shared an ancestor and some traits with cacao. Then when carnivores (like cats and dogs) split off from primates (like us), there was no evolutionary pressure for cats and dogs to continue to need to eat something cacao-related. On the other hand, there may have been great evolutionary pressure for primates to consume fruits that were related to cacao. Thank you, Gary, for reminding me that evolution is not a forward-process, but a zig-zaggy mess, depending on what evolutionary pressures come and go over time! |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30638 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Coyotes who to believe? Wiki? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coyote primarily carnivorous Arizona-Sonora Desert Museum? https://www.desertmuseum.org/kids/oz/long-fact-sheets/coyote.php are omnivores Or the survey person who drops by work from time to time with a photo trap and advised that it is rare for there to be fur in their scat. |
Angela Send message Joined: 16 Oct 07 Posts: 13130 Credit: 39,854,104 RAC: 31 |
Maybe there should be a distinction made between carnivores and obligate carnivores? Or maybe the coyotes of the Sonoran desert, over the past few generations, have been feeling the evolutionary pressure of hunger, and adapting (or dying) accordingly? (Now THIS is what I absolutely LOVE, LOVE, LOVE about a Cafe in the forum of a science project. The place is jam-packed with excellent minds and skeptical thinkers who can take a thread from Almond Joys to coyotes in the blink of an eye!) |
Carlos Send message Joined: 9 Jun 99 Posts: 29815 Credit: 57,275,487 RAC: 157 |
I always liked these: and back again. |
j mercer Send message Joined: 3 Jun 99 Posts: 2422 Credit: 12,323,733 RAC: 1 |
I remember chewing on the wax, like gum, long after the favor was gone. ... |
Angela Send message Joined: 16 Oct 07 Posts: 13130 Credit: 39,854,104 RAC: 31 |
Eric likes those bottle candies too. |
Carlos Send message Joined: 9 Jun 99 Posts: 29815 Credit: 57,275,487 RAC: 157 |
Eric likes those bottle candies too. I always knew that boy had good tastes. |
Monday Send message Joined: 24 Sep 05 Posts: 9676 Credit: 20,067,888 RAC: 12 |
Coyotes who to believe? Maybe they don't eat the fur and skin their prey like dingoes do. I'm an omnivore but I definitely don't eat fur. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30638 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Coyotes who to believe? You have knife and fork, coyotes have canine teeth. They find lots of fiber plant matter. |
Angela Send message Joined: 16 Oct 07 Posts: 13130 Credit: 39,854,104 RAC: 31 |
I always knew that boy had good tastes. In women, indubitably. In candy, not so much. |
Angela Send message Joined: 16 Oct 07 Posts: 13130 Credit: 39,854,104 RAC: 31 |
20 urchins. A tie with last year. All 20 said "thank you". |
Mike Send message Joined: 17 Feb 01 Posts: 34255 Credit: 79,922,639 RAC: 80 |
We got 3 this year. With each crime and every kindness we birth our future. |
rob smith Send message Joined: 7 Mar 03 Posts: 22188 Credit: 416,307,556 RAC: 380 |
Dunno if there were any this year as I was out most of the evening. Did see a few roaming around Birmingham New Street Station, student-age, rattling buckets at the homeward bound commuters, a couple of the costumes were "interestingly deployed" on young ladies (first time I've seen a female Herman) Bob Smith Member of Seti PIPPS (Pluto is a Planet Protest Society) Somewhere in the (un)known Universe? |
kittyman Send message Joined: 9 Jul 00 Posts: 51468 Credit: 1,018,363,574 RAC: 1,004 |
I'm told that fag is an offensive word in the USA. So I'll alter the previous post to "ciggies and beer". Pinch a fag, sir? "Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster |
Admiral Gloval Send message Joined: 31 Mar 13 Posts: 20236 Credit: 5,308,449 RAC: 0 |
Nope, you've given up! No offense meant. When we over across the pond think of the word "fag". We equate it to your term "Nancy Boy". |
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