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Message 1897382 - Posted: 25 Oct 2017, 13:57:55 UTC

Clyde Lee Conrad, Julian Assange, Chelsea Manning, Edward Snowden, tRump, men who want to tear down he Washington Oligarch Swamp.
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Message 1897386 - Posted: 25 Oct 2017, 14:16:21 UTC - in response to Message 1897384.  

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Message 1897394 - Posted: 25 Oct 2017, 14:40:35 UTC - in response to Message 1897393.  

Clyde, you have a problem. It can be either one of 2. Whichever one it is, you need help.
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Message 1897408 - Posted: 25 Oct 2017, 15:10:42 UTC - in response to Message 1897398.  

Your ethical, moral and intellectual suicide. Is wonderful and necessary to behold.
Incorrect, it is your failure to answer questions. Those you do answer is always with that "fixation" of yours.

It's not Kim Jung Un you should be worrying about but Xi Jinping.

"At home China is already a surveillance state accelerating its ability to listen to every call and track every face, online posting, movement and purchase. Expect it now to export not just the governance model but the cyber weapons to make that work."

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If he succeeds with his 30 year plan, you can say goodbye USA as an economic powerhouse.

Hmm, wonder how much the US will owe China by then?
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Message 1897412 - Posted: 25 Oct 2017, 15:22:20 UTC - in response to Message 1897398.  

the source of pollution of the swamp water in full blow

it demands a national suicide a self assured destruction, how SAD

Someone needs to tell it the swamp water is so polluted from its blow that there are no fish left to hook when it trolls in the swamp.

Two possibilities for sure, there might be a third or perhaps that is just the causative agent for one you are considering if you base it broadly.
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Message 1897418 - Posted: 25 Oct 2017, 15:40:29 UTC - in response to Message 1897414.  

If he succeeds with his 30 year plan, you can say goodbye USA as an economic powerhouse.

Hmm, wonder how much the US will owe China by then?

Nothing, unless China, which is nothing more than a large discount store, wishes to collapse.

We may be entering into a Tripartite World era . Where Europe is under the control of the expanding Russian Empire. With possibly the Mid East also controlled by the Russian Empire. Asia, including Australia, will be under the Military and Economic Control of the expanding Chinese Empire. And the America's.
Why thank you professor, a sensible answer, who'd thunk it. Alas it cannot count because the post was already answered by this, so a 2nd reply to the same post...

Your attempt to deflect from your beliefs and disgusting personal attacks against others. Will never succeed. All attributions and still visible URL's will be provided if necessary.
BTW: The silence regarding Sirius B's postings by his enablers and excusers. Is also very necessary to continuously mention.


...forgot what you were doing for a moment Clyde?
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Message 1897462 - Posted: 25 Oct 2017, 19:29:58 UTC

Those who advocate first strike, today is a day to remember, 1944 Leyte Gulf. American naval forces first met fighters with an Asian mindset.
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Message 1897559 - Posted: 26 Oct 2017, 13:28:45 UTC - in response to Message 1897462.  

Those who advocate first strike, today is a day to remember, 1944 Leyte Gulf. American naval forces first met fighters with an Asian mindset.
AND scared them so bad they ran home and were never a force again. The bravest Naval action in American history since "I have not yet begun to fight". Ernest B Evans and the men of the Johnston, the Hoel, and the Samuel B Roberts made the ultimate sacrifices to save their fellow servicemen from an enemy force overwhelming in firepower.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_off_Samar

Dumb Dung Boy would be well advised to learn from this history about American determination and courage in the face of supposedly 'overwhelming' firepower.

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Message 1897584 - Posted: 26 Oct 2017, 16:46:46 UTC

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You may think so, but a lot of the world for a while now thinks "evil ogres" instead and now you have the "greatest moron of an evil ogre" running your country and he reminds a lot of still surviving really old people as just another Hitler while his supporters are no better than Nazis of the modern era.

Stand back and have a good look at yourselves and all the problems that you as a nation have caused all in the name of keeping the greatest War Machine of all Time going.

It's about time that the greedy spiteful and evil ogre started to understand this. The world is not going to give up its freedoms just so you can exercise your mostly foolish ones.

At the rate that things are going I wonder just how many allies that you'll have left by the end of this century.


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Message 1897596 - Posted: 26 Oct 2017, 17:19:32 UTC - in response to Message 1897559.  
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Those who advocate first strike, today is a day to remember, 1944 Leyte Gulf. American naval forces first met fighters with an Asian mindset.
AND scared them so bad they ran home and were never a force again. The bravest Naval action in American history since "I have not yet begun to fight". Ernest B Evans and the men of the Johnston, the Hoel, and the Samuel B Roberts made the ultimate sacrifices to save their fellow servicemen from an enemy force overwhelming in firepower.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_off_Samar

Dumb Dung Boy would be well advised to learn from this history about American determination and courage in the face of supposedly 'overwhelming' firepower.
That American generation that had just been starved by the Great Depression, did get lucky and do some pounding. Today Kim's forces are from a generation that has just been starved and the Americans are fat, soft, happy and lazy.
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Message 1897611 - Posted: 26 Oct 2017, 18:24:17 UTC

Stand back and have a good look at yourselves and all the problems that you as a nation have caused all in the name of keeping the greatest War Machine of all Time going.

It's about time that the greedy spiteful and evil ogre started to understand this. The world is not going to give up its freedoms just so you can exercise your mostly foolish ones.

So, again, if we're so damn evil and bad then why oh why does 'The world' p*ss and moan every time we limit the access to those elsewhere to live here? WHY for that matter do so many WANT to live here?

IMHO 'We' are not asking ANYONE to 'give up any of their 'freedoms'(whatever they imagine them to be), that don't involve harm to innocent life or threaten our lives.

All we want is for 'The world' to quit trying to tell us how to govern and run our own country. We settled that matter in 1776.

"If you don't like the product we're selling, you have 'the right' not to buy it."

Otherwise to draw an analogy to a 'Redneck' saying "If you don't clean my house, cook my meals or sleep in my bed, I don't care what you think".

That American generation that had just been starved by the Great Depression, did get lucky and do some pounding. Today Kim's forces are from a generation that has just been starved and the Americans are fat, soft, happy and lazy.

Anyone who believes that American Servicemen/women are "fat, soft, happy and lazy" after 15 years of tempering in Afghanistan and Iraq is delusional, sorry. And I also don't consider the sacrifice of nearly 385,000 casualties 'getting lucky'.

Oh and by the way:

https://www.stripes.com/navy-now-has-3-carrier-strike-groups-operating-in-the-pacific-1.494531

I assume everyone understands what comprises a 'carrier strike group', it ain't just a flattop.

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Message 1897617 - Posted: 26 Oct 2017, 19:27:34 UTC - in response to Message 1897611.  

I assume everyone understands what comprises a 'carrier strike group', it ain't just a flattop.
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Message 1897627 - Posted: 26 Oct 2017, 20:25:21 UTC

Just more provocation being added to the fire. :-(

Absolutely no cheers there.
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Message 1897632 - Posted: 26 Oct 2017, 20:40:23 UTC
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Kim has to expect that with all the threats and provocations there will be plenty of American military as close in as they can be while in international space...

I still stick with my initial assessment that this is a war of words and bluster; Kim is fully aware that he can swagger and test all he wants but attacking first would be the end of him and possibly most of North Korea depending on whether it was conventional or nuclear, and Trump isn't going to attack first because he knows that he would lose most if not all world support and assistance, destroy one of the most devoted allies the U.S. has (South Korea) and then also have to deal with China becoming an enemy and a possible World War III situation.

So both leaders "win"... Kim gets to show he's strong to his people by bad-mouthing and threatening the U.S. and getting away with it, and Trump gets to show he's strong to his people by showing he will stand up to any aggression. Political Brinksmanship 101...

Well I am hope I am right... it lets me sleep at night at least. :^)

Also JE beat me to mentioning that a fat, complacent, lazy and wealthy people can afford to pay for a very good military to defend them that is none of the above.
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Message 1897636 - Posted: 26 Oct 2017, 20:59:35 UTC - in response to Message 1897632.  

Also JE beat me to mentioning that a fat, complacent, lazy and wealthy people can afford to pay for a very good military to defend them that is none of the above.
Who are nuked out of existence in the first minutes. What is left to conscript?
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Message 1897638 - Posted: 26 Oct 2017, 21:05:16 UTC - in response to Message 1897636.  
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Who are nuked out of existence in the first minutes. What is left to conscript?


Please have a look at this and then we can try to explain how that is possible. :^)
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Message 1897648 - Posted: 26 Oct 2017, 21:28:04 UTC

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Who are nuked out of existence in the first minutes. What is left to conscript?


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Message 1897678 - Posted: 27 Oct 2017, 0:13:32 UTC - in response to Message 1897638.  

Who are nuked out of existence in the first minutes. What is left to conscript?


Please have a look at this and then we can try to explain how that is possible. :^)

The locations of the US bases are well known to Kim. The vast majority of the military is on them. Not that hard to take them out if you have a few missiles. Remember round after round of base closings to save money and make a decapitation strike easier? Another dozen and all the plants that make heavy military weapons are gone. Kim isn't part of START or SALT. He can and will make as many as he thinks he needs to get the job done. Since we are talking about mad dogs and gun crazy American first strike ramblings the rest of the world, runs to their fallout shelter while China starts nuclear winter.

As I asked some time ago What does Kim want? Kim doesn't want a war. The USA MIC would love a war as it brings them profits.

So I ask again, what does Kim want? Kim isn't looking for world domination like the author of mein kampf.

So I ask again, what does Kim want?

Once you can answer that you know the solution to the issue.

final note, don't over estimate military readiness, depth, strength, resolve, etc. That's how wars get started. (My bully is bigger than your bully.) Find a diplomatic solution no matter how unpalatable, it is better than fallout.
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Message 1897680 - Posted: 27 Oct 2017, 0:27:18 UTC

Also JE beat me to mentioning that a fat, complacent, lazy and wealthy people can afford to pay for a very good military to defend them that is none of the above.
100% agree.
That's the way it's been for 5000-10000 years and will continue to be as long as mankind exists. And it's the same for every country or tribe.
I hope you are right Mr Kevy regarding a confrontation and bluster but the question remains...............who will give in? The US will not allow DPRK to have deliverable nuclear warheads, and Kim will not give them up.

The only 'diplomatic' solution I can see is China guaranteeing DPRK's right to exist and their defense(which is pretty much the case now) and the UN/US lifting all sanctions in return for Kim giving up nukes and WMD(but possibly being allowed a missile program for scientific research, a bone for world prestige).

Otherwise we have the proverbial 'Mexican Standoff'.

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Message 1897681 - Posted: 27 Oct 2017, 0:27:32 UTC - in response to Message 1897678.  

That is simple.

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