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Message 1891494 - Posted: 23 Sep 2017, 6:57:09 UTC

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What will it take for China to realize that their puppet is out of control and activate their agents to take Kim out locally? I really don't worry about his missiles, it would be the placement of a weapon inside a shipping container that could cost us a west coast port city.
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Message 1891496 - Posted: 23 Sep 2017, 7:03:12 UTC - in response to Message 1891494.  
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Iran tests new ballistic missile. :-)

North Korea, will do the same. :-)

https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=81010
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Message 1891525 - Posted: 23 Sep 2017, 12:18:49 UTC - in response to Message 1891494.  
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Darrell wrote:

What will it take for China to realize that their puppet is out of control and activate their agents to take Kim out locally? I really don't worry about his missiles, it would be the placement of a weapon inside a shipping container that could cost us a west coast port city.

Agree that a China 'involvement' would be the best and least risky course of action.

The problem I see with most advocating a Pro Action or a Pro Negotiation position, is this: A failure to understand, or a refusal to acknowledge, that their position may lead to unimaginable disaster.

The present 'situation' regarding what to do about Maniac Kim. Fills me with the greatest dread.
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Message 1891533 - Posted: 23 Sep 2017, 13:54:01 UTC

The problem I see with most advocating a Pro Action or a Pro Negotiation position, is this: A failure to understand, or a refusal to acknowledge, that their position may lead to unimaginable disaster.
Disagree

I think everyone realizes and are scared to their very core at the prospect of the level of devastation both industrial, and human that is possible/probable. If not they are lying to themselves. At this point it is a pragmatic choice of the current level possible or the level after King Ding Dong perfects and increases his Nuke arsenal and delivery system.

In response to Darrell I believe the Chinese do realize the nature and source of the problem and acknowledged such with the directive to their banking system. This coupled with the disputed reports since February of troop increases along the border indicates a readiness if not willingness to act. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-malaysia-kim-china/china-denies-increasing-troops-on-north-korean-border-idUSKBN1620ZR

Don't rule out Chinese invasion of DPRK if Num Nutz does indeed test a nuke missile in the Pacific.........as a negotiated alternative to a US counter strike.
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Message 1891543 - Posted: 23 Sep 2017, 15:46:34 UTC

Don't rule out Chinese invasion of DPRK if Num Nutz does indeed test a nuke missile in the Pacific.........as a negotiated alternative to a US counter strike.

If not. Understand that a Surgical Strike to 'remove' his ability to murder millions. May result in the destruction of South Korea, before his eventual defeat, by a North Korean conventional military response. The North Korean Military does have that capability.
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Message 1891567 - Posted: 23 Sep 2017, 20:08:50 UTC

The nukes will fly because tRump. Remember everything DPRK has said they will do they have done.
https://apnews.com/39063236d8e243f3ad8c30ffc0eb3c55/The-Latest:-North-Korea:-Trump-insult-ensures-attack-on-US
The Latest: North Korea: Trump insult ensures attack on US

North Korea’s foreign minister says U.S. President Donald Trump’s insult calling leader Kim Jong Un “rocket man” makes “our rocket’s visit to the entire US mainland inevitable all the more.”

Ri Yong Ho called the American leader “a mentally deranged person full of megalomania and complacency” with his finger on the “nuclear button” and declared: “None other than Trump himself is on a suicide mission.”

And he told world leaders on Saturday: “In case innocent lives of the U.S. are lost because of this suicide attack, Trump will be held totally responsible.”
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Message 1891590 - Posted: 23 Sep 2017, 23:54:14 UTC
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Well, IMHO whatever moral upper hand that the U.S. has in this is being lost because POTUS either deliberately wants to start a war by goading Kim into one or some other reason (ego and lack of self-control are often mentioned.)

If the official conclusion is that Kim really is "deranged" then shouldn't he be treated as such, ie likely to do something rash in a state of rage that he and millions of other people who have no stake in this game will regret forever? This is not how to talk to "deranged" people with nuclear weapons, and unfortunately we had too many warnings that POTUS' lack of diplomatic experience and familiarity only with sole proprietorships where his word was unquestionable would lead to this.

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Message 1891591 - Posted: 24 Sep 2017, 0:04:51 UTC - in response to Message 1891590.  
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Well, IMHO whatever moral upper hand that the U.S. has in this is being lost because POTUS either deliberately wants to start a war by goading Kim into one or some other reason (ego and lack of self-control are often mentioned.)

If the official conclusion is that Kim really is "deranged" then shouldn't he be treated as such, ie likely to do something rash in a state of rage that he and millions of other people who have no stake in this game will regret forever? This is not how to talk to "deranged" people with nuclear weapons, and unfortunately we had too many warnings that POTUS' lack of diplomatic experience and familiarity only with sole proprietorships where his word was unquestionable would lead to this.

My $0.02 of the day. :^(

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If Kim is deranged and more importantly stupid. Then nothing will either stop him from... Or force him to... Any 'appeasement' will only confirm that his beliefs are correct.

Trump is not my idea of a good President. But he is absolutely correct when understanding a Kim/Hitler type. As the Pre WWII UK's 'Warmongers' understood.

Perhaps it takes one to understand one :)
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Message 1891592 - Posted: 24 Sep 2017, 0:10:18 UTC - in response to Message 1891591.  
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I doubt that anything would stop him from developing a nuclear arsenal, yes. But given that he has a dictator-sized massive ego, he may be goaded into using it by being insulted or challenged whereas he would not have otherwise.

It's hypocritical to both claim he is deranged and simultaneously goad him as if he wasn't. Now all we can do is hope that he really isn't.
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Message 1891600 - Posted: 24 Sep 2017, 1:39:35 UTC - in response to Message 1891592.  
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I doubt that anything would stop him from developing a nuclear arsenal, yes. But given that he has a dictator-sized massive ego, he may be goaded into using it by being insulted or challenged whereas he would not have otherwise.

It's hypocritical to both claim he is deranged and simultaneously goad him as if he wasn't. Now all we can do is hope that he really isn't.

The real problem. We don't know.

Ay, there's the rub!
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Message 1891629 - Posted: 24 Sep 2017, 12:17:30 UTC

North Korea foreign minister says firing rockets on US mainland 'inevitable'

“Through such a prolonged and arduous struggle, now we are finally only a few steps away from the final gate of completion of the state nuclear force,” Ri told the annual gathering of world leaders.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/sep/24/north-korea-firing-rockets-on-us-mainland-inevitable-says-foreign-minister

Trump is always referencing Kim's actions.

Kim is threatening to murder millions because of words.

As this situation progresses. It is becoming very apparent that Murdering and Enslaving Kim is unhinged.
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Message 1891641 - Posted: 24 Sep 2017, 15:32:02 UTC

Nuke tipped missiles are only one of the threats Limp Duc Fat has, possibly even more heinous is the stock of chemical WMD. (Possibly Sadam's 'disappeared' stock).
And what biological agents does he possess? Can the World REALLY just take a wait and see position?

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/north-korea/north-korea-also-has-nerve-agent-vx-chemical-weapons-expert-n802231
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Message 1891650 - Posted: 24 Sep 2017, 16:17:13 UTC - in response to Message 1891641.  
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Nuke tipped missiles are only one of the threats Limp Duc Fat has, possibly even more heinous is the stock of chemical WMD. (Possibly Sadam's 'disappeared' stock).
And what biological agents does he possess? Can the World REALLY just take a wait and see position?

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/north-korea/north-korea-also-has-nerve-agent-vx-chemical-weapons-expert-n802231

Perhaps we should judge the real situation by understanding this:

Kim, as he does with his people. Is demanding that unless we speak as HE wishes. Will kill us, as he does his own people.

Those that wish Trump, or anyone else to 'tone down'. Really accept Kim's Evil and Murderous Demands?
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Message 1891651 - Posted: 24 Sep 2017, 16:19:06 UTC

DO IT NOKO. DO IT. PLEASE.

Looking Forward to TOTAL DESTRUCTION of NOKO

DO IT FAT BOY.

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Message 1891652 - Posted: 24 Sep 2017, 16:22:58 UTC

Looking Forward to TOTAL DESTRUCTION of NOKO

Sorry Make Science...

I, and I believe most, are not "Looking Forward" to millions of innocent deaths. Be it the N. Korean People or any other people.

What might have to be done. Should fill all with dread.
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Message 1891653 - Posted: 24 Sep 2017, 16:23:45 UTC - in response to Message 1891641.  

Nuke tipped missiles are only one of the threats Limp Duc Fat has, possibly even more heinous is the stock of chemical WMD. (Possibly Sadam's 'disappeared' stock).
And what biological agents does he possess? Can the World REALLY just take a wait and see position?
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/north-korea/north-korea-also-has-nerve-agent-vx-chemical-weapons-expert-n802231

With no exit path everything Kim has will soon be headed at the west. Kim must be given an exit path. Failure to give Kim an exit path is suicide. An exit path is not a repeat of Iraq.
tRump's failure is to see that an absence of a exit path is suicide. tRump wants moral points more than a solution. tRump plays that game with health care too. tRump has to be dead right, dead being the operative word.
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Message 1891654 - Posted: 24 Sep 2017, 16:27:05 UTC

Perhaps Kim is unhinged. And there is no exit path acceptable to those he threatens with mass murder because of their speech.

Remember that Trump is stating what will happen because of Kim's actions.
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Message 1891655 - Posted: 24 Sep 2017, 16:35:03 UTC - in response to Message 1891653.  

Isn't that what LBJ did in 66/67 regarding Vietnam?
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Message 1891661 - Posted: 24 Sep 2017, 17:37:26 UTC - in response to Message 1891654.  

Remember that Trump is stating what will happen
Still a moral points game
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Message 1891662 - Posted: 24 Sep 2017, 17:37:59 UTC - in response to Message 1891655.  

Isn't that what LBJ did in 66/67 regarding Vietnam?

Yep, and the solution is the same. Korea is for Koreans.
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