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Message 1890341 - Posted: 17 Sep 2017, 5:34:21 UTC

A project scientist of some note must be happy today. 3 and 0 and first in the BoneG* west. Now can Cal hang on and make his other team 3 and 0 too!

*Yes I know, but it is the conference logo. My new eyes are going to read it as written.
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Message 1890710 - Posted: 19 Sep 2017, 3:23:26 UTC
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We were actually in Provo Utah for the Badgers game. One of my relatives is doing a medical residency in Salt Lake City, so we used the game as an excuse to visit her (... or we used a visit to my relative as an excuse to travel to an away game...)

Anyway, I have to report that BYU fans are the nicest people ever!!! As a visiting fan in other areas of the country, I've been subject to some very impolite gestures and even more impolite words from fans of the home team. In Utah however, smiling BYU fans came up to our little group of Badger fans and said things like, "Welcome to Provo. Can I help you find your seats?" or "Tell your boys to go easy on us today!" or my personal favorite greeting from a BYU fan - "I love cheese curds!!!".

The BYU band graciously played "On Wisconsin", since the Wisconsin band didn't travel to this game.

In the third quarter, BYU staff members passed out free ice cream to all the visitors in Badgers shirts.

It was a guest fan experience unlike any other I've ever had. It made me want to move to Utah!

The Badgers game was not too exciting, but the Cal game was amazing!
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Message 1890713 - Posted: 19 Sep 2017, 3:40:24 UTC

Well, my alma mater, U of L, crashed and burned against Clemson on Saturday, but ESPN's College Game Day showcased my University, and that was good.
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Message 1890818 - Posted: 20 Sep 2017, 0:34:11 UTC - in response to Message 1890710.  

It was a guest fan experience unlike any other I've ever had. It made me want to move to Utah!
It was supposed to make you want to convert.
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Message 1891014 - Posted: 20 Sep 2017, 20:24:44 UTC - in response to Message 1890818.  

It was a guest fan experience unlike any other I've ever had. It made me want to move to Utah!
It was supposed to make you want to convert.

Well it nearly worked! I really love ice cream, but I like nice people even more.
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Message 1891563 - Posted: 23 Sep 2017, 19:48:43 UTC
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Undefeated Cal is taking on the #5 spoiled children. Should be an interesting game.
<ed>Cal has drawn first blood!
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Message 1891608 - Posted: 24 Sep 2017, 3:48:22 UTC - in response to Message 1891563.  
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Undefeated Cal is taking on the #5 spoiled children. Should be an interesting game.
<ed>Cal has drawn first blood!

Cal is now 3-1.
https://www.bing.com/search?q=usc+vs+cal+football&FORM=AWRE
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Message 1891609 - Posted: 24 Sep 2017, 4:15:17 UTC

U of L paid Kent State 1 million dollars so they would have a virtually guaranteed win on their schedule.
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Message 1891667 - Posted: 24 Sep 2017, 18:26:59 UTC

No. 7 Washington overcomes slow start to beat Colorado 37-10
The No. 7 Washington Huskies warmed up in the cold rain without their shirts , then went out and undressed the Colorado Buffaloes in a 37-10 rout Saturday night in a rematch of last year's Pac-12 title game.
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Message 1894207 - Posted: 9 Oct 2017, 1:25:20 UTC

Eric was a happy badger, but a most unhappy bear this weekend.

(If I had been playing closer attention, I would have started trash-talking a week ago, just to try and draw Scarecrow out of the cornfield.)
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Message 1894209 - Posted: 9 Oct 2017, 1:33:00 UTC - in response to Message 1894207.  

Eric was a happy badger, but a most unhappy bear this weekend.

(If I had been playing closer attention, I would have started trash-talking a week ago, just to try and draw Scarecrow out of the cornfield.)

'Twould be nice to have the ol' Scarecrow stop by once in a while.
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Message 1904340 - Posted: 2 Dec 2017, 8:00:00 UTC - in response to Message 1894207.  

Eric was a happy badger, but a most unhappy bear this weekend.

(If I had been playing closer attention, I would have started trash-talking a week ago, just to try and draw Scarecrow out of the cornfield.)

I bet Eric is a very happy badger now with the number 3 ranking.

So any trash talk on who is going to be #1 at the end?
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Message 1904355 - Posted: 2 Dec 2017, 10:00:38 UTC

As a visiting fan in other areas of the country, I've been subject to some very impolite gestures and even more impolite words from fans of the home team.

Then I hope you gave as good as you got and reported the team to the police, the local papers, and the league for intimidation. That sort of behaviour is un-sportsmanlike and against women, totally reprehensible.

Us Brits will never understand College football if we live to be 150. I spent 3 lovely days in Pittsburgh in 2011, and every single shop, and I mean EVERY SHOP had Steelers stuff in their windows. Talk about obsession!!! The Heinz stadium was quite a thing to see though I will admit. And we all thought that Heinz 57 was quintessentially British!

But the honest truth??? Take any single College team, take off all their namby pamby padding and put them up against the British Lions Rugby team, or the Springboks, then we'll see who the real men are.

But College football is as much a part of American culture as fish 'n chips is to England, so it isn't ever going to change.

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Message 1904364 - Posted: 2 Dec 2017, 10:30:15 UTC

In Italian calcio stadiums visiting fans are confined to an area, usually in one of the two curves, to separate them from the local fans, often organized in clubs. Compare this to the cyclists fans, who applaud all riders of every team and nationality, often escorting the riders while they pedal on a steep climb with the danger of making them fall notwithstanding the Police motorcycles trying to open a path in the crowd.
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Message 1904372 - Posted: 2 Dec 2017, 10:55:29 UTC

Sports of all kinds seem to attract the obsessives and the extremists in society. But men kicking a football about seems to attract the worst types.
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Message 1904431 - Posted: 2 Dec 2017, 16:42:11 UTC - in response to Message 1904355.  
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As a visiting fan in other areas of the country, I've been subject to some very impolite gestures and even more impolite words from fans of the home team.

Then I hope you gave as good as you got and reported the team to the police, the local papers, and the league for intimidation. That sort of behaviour is un-sportsmanlike and against women, totally reprehensible.

We Know https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_hooliganism_in_the_United_Kingdom
And Chris, we don't censor impolite words or gestures here. We aren't a police state.
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

As to your belief that women should be treated differently than men, you share that belief with Harvey Weinstein, Roy Moore and long list of others. We prefer, "Equality of rights under the law shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any state on account of sex." But in the mean time, this has to do.
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Message 1904450 - Posted: 2 Dec 2017, 18:08:03 UTC - in response to Message 1904372.  

Sports of all kinds seem to attract the obsessives and the extremists in society. But men kicking a football about seems to attract the worst types.


Well, my family full of "worst types" will be over for dinner tonight and avidly watching the Badgers game with Eric after dinner this evening. A finer group of "worst types" I cannot imagine - an astrophysicist, two speech pathologists, a middle school teacher, a business executive and three adorable children (future Badgers or Bears we hope!!!) ages 7, 5 and almost 2.

Yep. Definitely the "worst types".



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Message 1904580 - Posted: 3 Dec 2017, 7:46:38 UTC

We Know https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_hooliganism_in_the_United_KingdomUnfortunately the UK has probably the worst reputation in the world for football hooliganism, there is no point denying what is true, and not something we are proud of either. We have dealt with it by compiling a list of known hooligans and stopping them from travelling abroad at Border Control when England or other top teams play away in Europe. AS EUFA says it's your fans that cause the trouble not ours, deal with it.

And Chris, we don't censor impolite words or gestures here. We aren't a police state.
Neither is the UK. You can stand in Hyde park corner on a Sunday morning and say that the Prime Minister is totally useless and incompetent. Provided you don't start a riot, you have real freedom of speech. try that against Trump in Pennsylvania Avenue and your feet wouldn't touch. Go down to KKK territory and say you love black people and see how long you live. What you don't do is have any sense of propriety and you are two faced. Look at the list of rules on the left when you post here. You accept them here but you don't follow them in real life.

As to your belief that women should be treated differently than men,
I was brought up to treat women as equals, not as a chattel like the Victorians did, or India still does. of course I agree with equality, equal pay for equal jobs, equal opportunities, no glass ceilings etc. We were taught to have respect for women. and to do things like offering a seat on public transport, holding doors open, ladies sit first at dinner and chairs are moved out for them etc. Last year I think it was, I had just come out of a shopping complex, a woman came up to go in, looked mid 30's, and I held the door open for her. She looked at me like I was a piece of dog poo on her shoe and said "Don't patronise me! I'm quite capable of opening a door thankyou!". I replied "Bully for you darlin' - get on with it then! I shut the door in her face and walked off. I won't repeat the obscenities that she came out with.

Of course gentlemanly behaviour and simple good manners is something you and your ilk wouldn't have the first idea about. But that is typical America.
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Message 1904583 - Posted: 3 Dec 2017, 8:27:02 UTC

Well, my family full of "worst types" will be over for dinner tonight and avidly watching the Badgers game with Eric after dinner this evening. A finer group of "worst types" I cannot imagine - an astrophysicist, two speech pathologists, a middle school teacher, a business executive and three adorable children (future Badgers or Bears we hope!!!) ages 7, 5 and almost 2.

Yep. Definitely the "worst types".
I would suggest to you that is 100% hyperbole. An astrophysicist, two speech pathologists, a middle school teacher, a business executive, with their implied level of education, would be hardly likely to insult women, or have a punch up just because their team was losing. True football hooligans go along just for the fight, the game comes second.

I'm told I ought to be in the 21C and not stuck in the 20th. From what I have seen of the first two decades you can stuff it, it is not a world I feel comfortable in any more. And yet is was all so different even just 5 or 6 years ago. Why have we got to the stage that we have, world recessions and the threat of WWIII maybe? Bored businessmen buying themselves the Presidency? Time was when married women were perfectly happy wearing a wedding ring. Firstly it showed that they were happy to be in a relationship, and secondly it stated I'm spoken for, not available. These days they insist on being called Ms and say their marital status is their personal business, nobody else's.

Yes I was happier in the last couple of decades of the 20C and I wish I was back there now. Good breeding, manners, common courtesy, respect for women, gentlemanly behaviour, was all taken for granted. These days it's just seen as old fashioned, and I think the world is a poorer place for it. But each to his/her own and much is down to where you were brought up. I've enjoyed visiting your country, but I wouldn't want to live there. And I think you would say the same about the UK. Canada I did like, Vancouver was vibrant, and Vancouver Island was lovely, just couldn't afford to live there :-(
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Message 1904685 - Posted: 3 Dec 2017, 23:43:27 UTC
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I would suggest to you that is 100% hyperbole.

My point was that broad, sweeping statements such as: "But men kicking a football about seems to attract the worst types." are inaccurate and offensive.

With this statement, for example: "I was brought up to treat women as equals, not as a chattel like the Victorians did, or India still does. " you have managed to offend an entire subcontinent of people - population roughly 1,300,000,000.

And with this statement: "Of course gentlemanly behaviour and simple good manners is something you and your ilk wouldn't have the first idea about. But that is typical America.", you have managed to insult roughly another 300,000,000.



Yes I was happier in the last couple of decades of the 20C and I wish I was back there now. Good breeding, manners, common courtesy, respect for women, gentlemanly behaviour, was all taken for granted.

Exactly what part of insulting approximately one fifth of the world's population in the course of typing two public posts constitutes "good breeding, common courtesy, respect for women and gentlemanly behavior"?



And yet is was all so different even just 5 or 6 years ago.
(Channeling my inner Barbara Steisand here: [best shower voice engaged]Can it be that it was all so simple then, or has time re-written every line...)[/best shower voice disengaged])

Has the entire world really changed so dramatically over the last 5 to 6 years, or is it more likely that 1 person has changed quite dramatically over the last 5 to 6 years?

Hmmmmm..... from purely a probability standpoint, which scenario is more likely?
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