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Message 1902274 - Posted: 22 Nov 2017, 3:49:33 UTC - in response to Message 1902258.  

avoiding paying tax as everyone else has to do
....wrong.
Anyone can AVOID paying a lot of taxes if they are smart about it. If you don't take every deduction and loophole that is legally allowed then yes, you are stupid.

It is legal to Avoid taxation. It is illegal to Evade taxation.

The Market is an indicator of the health of the economy as well as being a builder of personal wealth(a goal everyone has if they are planning ahead for when they are no longer able or interested in working, unless their plan is to suck off the public dole).

I don't begrudge people like Trump getting wealthy legally and doing what they want with it.
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Message 1902276 - Posted: 22 Nov 2017, 4:28:00 UTC - in response to Message 1902268.  

That only opens the door for higher paying jobs FIXING and SERVICING the robots who will do the manufacturing.

Sorry. Robots can do that maintenance of robots as well for almost nothing.
Since I'm in the business of machine maintenance I know how easy to implement that idea:)
I think there are already companies who are exploring the idea.

I thought they were well into the prototype stage. Any job that requires human muscle or sight will be automated out of existence. With AI coming online, jobs that require human brains will be automated out of existence. Get with the program and stop living in the past, the status quo is dead.
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Message 1902278 - Posted: 22 Nov 2017, 4:37:18 UTC - in response to Message 1902274.  

avoiding paying tax as everyone else has to do
....wrong.
Anyone can AVOID paying a lot of taxes if they are smart about it. If you don't take every deduction and loophole that is legally allowed then yes, you are stupid.

It is legal to Avoid taxation. It is illegal to Evade taxation.

The Market is an indicator of the health of the economy as well as being a builder of personal wealth(a goal everyone has if they are planning ahead for when they are no longer able or interested in working, unless their plan is to suck off the public dole).

I don't begrudge people like Trump getting wealthy legally and doing what they want with it.

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My retirement investments are growing faster than I'm withdrawing. Har...
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Message 1902279 - Posted: 22 Nov 2017, 4:38:19 UTC - in response to Message 1902276.  

That only opens the door for higher paying jobs FIXING and SERVICING the robots who will do the manufacturing.

Sorry. Robots can do that maintenance of robots as well for almost nothing.
Since I'm in the business of machine maintenance I know how easy to implement that idea:)
I think there are already companies who are exploring the idea.

I thought they were well into the prototype stage. Any job that requires human muscle or sight will be automated out of existence. With AI coming online, jobs that require human brains will be automated out of existence. Get with the program and stop living in the past, the status quo is dead.



https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/10/23/welcoming-our-new-robot-overlords
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Message 1902281 - Posted: 22 Nov 2017, 4:55:00 UTC - in response to Message 1902258.  

avoiding paying tax as everyone else has to do
....wrong.
Anyone can AVOID paying a lot of taxes if they are smart about it. If you don't take every deduction and loophole that is legally allowed then yes, you are stupid.

It is legal to Avoid taxation. It is illegal to Evade taxation.

@betreger...........a question. Do you personally or through a retirement plan have investments in the Stock Market?
If so then maybe it's more a part of the economy than you perceive. 401k plans, IRA plans, Roth plans ALL offer investment in the economy through the market.

LMAOtothebank

401(k)'s offer you the chance to pay fees to wall street investment banks to send you paper in the mail. The proof is in that prospectus they send you. The one that says you can buy Class B or Class C shares or maybe even Class A shares if you have 25 grand. If keep reading you find some other share Classes, usually starting with around $25,000,000.00 minimum investment and no fees. Those are the only shares that actually are invested in the market. The rest are just there to generate paperwork fees.

True with a self directed traditional IRA or Roth you can buy shares of common stock, but you aren't investing in a company. You are buying it from some other person who is as firmly convinced the price is going down as you are the price is going up. You aren't buying IPO's in an IRA. To actually buy an IPO you have to be an investment bank, like a brokerage house. Everyone else buys from the investment bank or someone else. And then to be at the front of the line you are talking that $25,000,000.00 minimum investment again.
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Message 1902290 - Posted: 22 Nov 2017, 6:05:27 UTC

and can make a living without the help of a government.
Sigh..........a statement I would expect from Barack Obama("you didn't build that"). So sad, that some individuals really believe they can't be successful without government assistance.
Sorry. Robots can do that maintenance of robots as well for almost nothing.
Since I'm in the business of machine maintenance I know how easy to implement that idea:)
I think there are already companies who are exploring the idea.
I noticed you ignored the Electricians etc. that were also mentioned. Good luck the next time you need your plumbing replaced.....

401(k)'s offer you the chance to pay fees to wall street investment banks to send you paper in the mail. The proof is in that prospectus they send you. The one that says you can buy Class B or Class C shares or maybe even Class A shares if you have 25 grand. If keep reading you find some other share Classes, usually starting with around $25,000,000.00 minimum investment and no fees. Those are the only shares that actually are invested in the market. The rest are just there to generate paperwork fees.

True with a self directed traditional IRA or Roth you can buy shares of common stock, but you aren't investing in a company. You are buying it from some other person who is as firmly convinced the price is going down as you are the price is going up. You aren't buying IPO's in an IRA. To actually buy an IPO you have to be an investment bank, like a brokerage house. Everyone else buys from the investment bank or someone else. And then to be at the front of the line you are talking that $25,000,000.00 minimum investment again.
So are you saying you personally have no 'investment' in the market?
There are many ways to get in without a massive outlay. As to fees charged, my investment account IRA costs me a maintenance fee of $40 annually. I chose a strategy of self directed Sector Spyder accounts which invest in MANY companies in an economic sector such as health care, defense contractors, finance etc. I do pay a commission when I sell or buy positions but if the result is financial gain what's the difference? They have a right to charge for their services and if the fee is excessive I have a right not to do business with them.

As Mr Mercer says "My retirement investments are growing faster than I'm withdrawing. Har..."

And in the case of those who don't see the opportunities to be eventually comfortably self sufficient, I don't "ROFLMAO", I weep instead for the fact that we who have planned ahead are expected to cheerfully support those who didn't........

'The Ant And The Grasshopper' is obviously not taught in Liberal Universities along with Underwater Basket Weaving,

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Message 1902303 - Posted: 22 Nov 2017, 7:50:19 UTC - in response to Message 1902290.  

and can make a living without the help of a government.
Sigh..........a statement I would expect from Barack Obama("you didn't build that"). So sad, that some individuals really believe they can't be successful without government assistance.
Sorry. Robots can do that maintenance of robots as well for almost nothing.
Since I'm in the business of machine maintenance I know how easy to implement that idea:)
I think there are already companies who are exploring the idea.
I noticed you ignored the Electricians etc. that were also mentioned. Good luck the next time you need your plumbing replaced.....

401(k)'s offer you the chance to pay fees to wall street investment banks to send you paper in the mail. The proof is in that prospectus they send you. The one that says you can buy Class B or Class C shares or maybe even Class A shares if you have 25 grand. If keep reading you find some other share Classes, usually starting with around $25,000,000.00 minimum investment and no fees. Those are the only shares that actually are invested in the market. The rest are just there to generate paperwork fees.

True with a self directed traditional IRA or Roth you can buy shares of common stock, but you aren't investing in a company. You are buying it from some other person who is as firmly convinced the price is going down as you are the price is going up. You aren't buying IPO's in an IRA. To actually buy an IPO you have to be an investment bank, like a brokerage house. Everyone else buys from the investment bank or someone else. And then to be at the front of the line you are talking that $25,000,000.00 minimum investment again.
So are you saying you personally have no 'investment' in the market?
Missed another post I made today.
There are many ways to get in without a massive outlay. As to fees charged, my investment account IRA costs me a maintenance fee of $40 annually. I chose a strategy of self directed Sector Spyder accounts which invest in MANY companies in an economic sector such as health care, defense contractors, finance etc. I do pay a commission when I sell or buy positions but if the result is financial gain what's the difference? They have a right to charge for their services and if the fee is excessive I have a right not to do business with them.
You also pay 12b1 fees which you don't even notice them stealing you blind with them. Since you say SPDR in your case that robber is Standard & Poor's Financial Services LLC. LMAOallthewaytobank. For many in 401(k)'s the robber is John Hancock aka Manulife ticker MFC so there is your tip, if you want to own a robber and not be robbed.

You also totally missed the point. When you buy you aren't investing. You are buying from some other guy who thinks the price is going the other way. The only investors are investment banks.* They have the billions needed to do actual investing, which means give money to grow a company through an IPO. Think of it this way, Blow Co's IPO of 100,000,000 shares at $25 a share is $2.5 billion. Blow Co gets that $2.5 billion check from Investment banker. Investment banker "makes a market" in Blow Co stock. They first offer it to whales in multi-million dollar blocks. Then come the sharks in single million dollar blocks. It is usually all gone by now, but maybe you are one of the top 1000 accounts of individuals at Investment banker so you qualify if there are leftovers. You however have to get it on the secondary market. That means going to Investment banker who "makes a market" in Blow Co.. Out of all those transactions only the check from the Investment Banker to Blow Co. actually went towards growing Blow Co., er an investment. Oh, that making a market doesn't go away the day after the IPO, 20 years later they are still making a market and getting suckers to pay them the difference between bid and ask. Welcome to Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley, UBS, Bank of America, JP Morgan, etc.

Now you last option is to go buy some Berkshire Hathaway as Warren does his thing with private companies. BTW Berkshire Hathaway Class A is going for $275,000 a share. Buy an even lot of that. (even lot = 100 share increment)


*I should say the other people who invest are vulture capitalists but you can't get in on their action.
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Message 1902307 - Posted: 22 Nov 2017, 8:31:12 UTC

DEM/Libs Falling Faster than Bowling Pins at 10 Pin League Bowling Night at dA DEPLORABLES Local Alley.

ROTFLMAO

It Is GOoD to Be a 45er. REAL GOoD

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Message 1902312 - Posted: 22 Nov 2017, 9:08:31 UTC - in response to Message 1902290.  

I don't "ROFLMAO", I weep instead for the fact that we who have planned ahead are expected to cheerfully support those who didn't........

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Message 1902319 - Posted: 22 Nov 2017, 10:07:49 UTC - in response to Message 1902303.  

I don't like Trump, but my investments have done very well since he's been President.
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Message 1902323 - Posted: 22 Nov 2017, 12:07:28 UTC - in response to Message 1901976.  

Your math sucks.

99.999 Percent of World Will NEVER, visit China.
We'll ignore your first clanger, which is that 18.6 % of the world's population actually lives in China!

The world's population is approximately 7.6 billion people. Let's subtract China's currently estimated population of 1.412 billion people, which leaves 6.188 billion non-Chinese-resident inhabitants of the world. If, as you contend, 99.999% of them will never visit China, then just 61,880 of them will.

However, as of 2015, China is the fourth most visited country in the world, ... , with 56.9 million international tourists (per annum). Put another way, 0.92 % of the non-Chinese-resident inhabitants of the world visit China each year. I concede that just over half of those visitors are from Hong Kong, Macau and Taiwan. However, even discounting those visitors, your factoid is not even close to the truth - it is completely fake.


99.999999 Percent of Peoples of dA World WILL NOT Make High Income as Dooozzz dA Ballers.
That means that "Dooozzz dA Ballers" is in the top 76 of all income earners in "dA World". Another demonstrably fake factoid.

Go learn some math.

(Oh, and BTW, I have visited China.)
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Message 1902347 - Posted: 22 Nov 2017, 15:38:56 UTC

Do you really support Trump in this matter?
And here we agree to disagree.....

I don't believe Trump supports those who abuse their power or sexually abuse or intimidate anyone, female or male. I do believe Trump and what he and his Press Secretary has stated repeatedly...."the issue should be decided by the People of Alabama". I do believe he supports the Conservative Republican in the contest.

Like it or not, that's the way this Democracy works. Only the constituents can decide or judge the worthiness of an individual to represent them. There is apparently good reason to believe the stories being told about Moore, but the 'News' outlets have so discredited themselves by their nevertrump coverage that those capable of individual thought also have good reason to doubt the veracity of anything they disseminate.

Fact: Moore has never been charged with any related offense. This may or may not mean anything, but the standard of justice in the USA is 'Innocent until PROVEN guilty'. Again like it or not.

I refuse to accept judgement and execution by hearsay. Prove the charges and I'll be the 1st to denounce and press for prosecution.This is a whole world of difference from Al Franken who had the despicable act photographed.

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Message 1902355 - Posted: 22 Nov 2017, 15:58:16 UTC - in response to Message 1902347.  

Do you really support Trump in this matter?
And here we agree to disagree.....
I just remember what he said in the Billy Bush tapes, likely his real feelings on the matter.
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Message 1902368 - Posted: 22 Nov 2017, 16:28:36 UTC

But the President of the United States of America. Has obligation to give his/her opinion. Be it Pro or Con.
And he did, repeatedly.

What is the material difference between a President of the United States interjecting influence on a sovereign State Government election and the Premier of Russia interjecting influence on the US Presidential Election?

If it's 'Hands Off' then that applies in all cases large and small. Outside influence is outside influence. It's no win either way for Trump as the 'Lying Heads' on nightly news and talk shows will crucify him either way.

I remember when Jimmy Fallon was actually funny......

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Message 1902372 - Posted: 22 Nov 2017, 16:36:30 UTC - in response to Message 1902312.  

I don't "ROFLMAO", I weep instead for the fact that we who have planned ahead are expected to cheerfully support those who didn't........

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Message 1902374 - Posted: 22 Nov 2017, 16:41:14 UTC - in response to Message 1902347.  

I refuse to accept judgement and execution by hearsay. Prove the charges and I'll be the 1st to denounce and press for prosecution.This is a whole world of difference from Al Franken who had the despicable act photographed.

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Message 1902379 - Posted: 22 Nov 2017, 17:01:40 UTC - in response to Message 1902265.  

Before making that aside you really should investigate how many industrial robots there are at this very moment, and that number is not going to decline.

1 robot can replace at least 1 person.
A tech can service many robots, hence a major decline in people jobs.
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Message 1902383 - Posted: 22 Nov 2017, 17:42:00 UTC

1 robot can replace at least 1 person.
A tech can service many robots, hence a major decline in people jobs.

And the advent of natural gas furnaces and stoves replaced all but a few chimney sweeps...........so what? If mankind has proven anything in the last 10,000 years it's that WE ADAPT. Those who refuse or are incapable of adapting eventually perish.

Ask Chas. Darwin.

Old tech has continually been replaced by new tech, sometimes bad but mostly for the good. And that won't change. The trick to survival is assessing the future needs and being flexible enough to change plans if you guessed wrong.

The role of all Government (Fed, State, and Local)should be to assist it's citizens in making those choices in education and training that will benefit them in life, NOT MAKING THOSE CHOICES FOR THEM. So Chimney Sweeps were made obsolete, they became HVAC techs and the same will happen with assemblers, welders, painters and hopefully lawyers.

But it's actually a fact that when one door closes another one opens, you just have to be ready and willing to step through.

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Message 1902386 - Posted: 22 Nov 2017, 17:55:20 UTC

ClydeNotClyde Said:

I'm Gunna Play My Xylophone...

Do you really support Trump in this matter?


DAMN STRAIGHT ALL dA WAY ALL dA TIME. fO EvA fO ShO

DEM/Libs Got HUGE Dolla; HUGE MEDIA INFLUENCE; and WILL DO ANYTHING to DESTROY 45 and His SUPPORTERs. 'They' Gots dA PUTIN THANG DOWN, betta than PUTIN.

LYING; FAKIN'; MAKIN' UPin; Anythang to DESTROY.

LIES; FAKIN' MAKIN' UPin SHAT AGAINST BestGreatest JudgeROY is Fallin' Like Dominoes.

SaWeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet

45 and 45ers WINNING Yap

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Message 1902387 - Posted: 22 Nov 2017, 18:00:54 UTC - in response to Message 1902379.  

Before making that aside you really should investigate how many industrial robots there are at this very moment, and that number is not going to decline.

1 robot can replace at least 1 person.
Try 3, day, swing and graveyard, works weekends and holidays, no lunch or breaks, no union rules.
A tech can service many robots, hence a major decline in people jobs.

The only human job left may be for the person to wrestle the beast into the safe position so the robotic repair robot can fix it and then get back into its robot truck and go to another breakdown, dispatched by internet call from a robot that realizes it needs repair.
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