so a tax increase for the very poor?

No. Possibly the Working Poor.

Those not working for the year. On Welfare, 100% medical benefits, food stamps, et al. Do not pay income taxes.

According to the Census ACS survey, the median household income for the United States was $55,775 in 2015.

Understanding the problem with averages.

What would be their tax difference under the Republican Plan?

Should you be looking at household or personal incomes. The median personal income for those aged 25 or over and in full time employment is $39,336.
With household is there any indication of household size.
But in the real world mean average or median for the country means absolutely sweet FA without looking at other things like house ownership and local cost of living.

He repealed. So how much more out of pocket are you going to be? Is your $100/month policy going to jump to $1000/month? It may.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/trump-to-sign-executive-order-to-gut-aca-insurance-rules-and-undermine-marketplaces/2017/10/11/40abf774-ae97-11e7-9e58-e6288544af98_story.html

President Trump is throwing a bomb into the insurance marketplaces created under the Affordable Care Act, choosing to end critical payments to health insurers that help millions of lower-income Americans afford coverage. The decision coincides with an executive order on Thursday to allow alternative health plans that skirt the law’s requirements.

Consumer Sentiment in U.S. Unexpectedly Surges to 13-Year High

Unexpectedly.......................ROFLMAO!.....................TWICE!

Unexpected to the 'anything but Trump' crowd maybe, but exactly what was projected by those who realized what a tar pit the business atmosphere had become under Obummer's attempt at a 'planned economy' through stranguretulation.

'Planned Economies' have failed miserably every time they've been instituted. Russia, China and Viet Nam have shifted to a more or less Capitalist system allowing private ownership and control of business enterprises(again mostly), due to those failures. In Cuba and Venezuela you can see the 'fruits' of planned economies that refuse to change.

Unexpected because Bloomberg and the other movers and fakers can't see beyond the end of their dogma.

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"Sour Grapes make a bitter Whine." <(0)>

My One Friend and Many Enemies,
Fake LOVE creates A Very Angry Person
Fake HOPE festers Many Fears
Fake Optimism Brings about Deep Depression
So Let Us be DisTrustFul, Paranoid, and Pessimistic
And We Will Change LEFTISTs into ........[CharpDots]..........

UnFriendly Yap

p.s 45 aka BEST; GREATEST; MOST FANTASTIC LEADER of ALL TIME is KICKIN' BUTT Today! LOVE DAT Man!!!

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May we All have a METAMORPHOSIS. REASON. GOoD JUDGEMENT and LOVE and ORDER!!!!!

My friends,
love is better than anger,
Hope is better than fear,
Optimism is better than despair,
So let us be loving, hopeful and optimistic,
And we’ll change the world.
--- Byron Leigh Hatch

Very fine sentiments Byron, and while we're at it we'll sit on our overstuffed apathy and all wait hand in hand with baited breath for the Avengers, the X-Men and the Justice League of America to save the World from very real problems................and we can power the technological society we have built with moonbeams, hope and Unicorn farts(the Obummer Plan).

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& the world's top currency becomes the Yuan :-)

& the world's top currency becomes the Yuan :-)

Enjoy your China and Putin future.

Hasn't that been "your" future some many years already? How much do you owe them again?

Oh, here's a difficult question, well I assume it is as 45 doesn't know.

Who is the President of the U.S. Virgin Islands?
Hint it is not Kenneth Mapp, he's the Governor.

How much do you owe them again?

Key word there is 'owe'.
We've got an old saying in the West............."I'd rather owe it to you than do you out of it......."

Can't wait to see THAT collection agency................

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Dull dA Great Says:

As I Turned LEFT onto dA Street of HOPE, I Got Hit by Hypocrisy and Died
As I Turned LEFT onto dA Street of OPTIMISM, I Got Hit and Killed by Political Correctness
As I Turned LEFT onto dA Street of LOVE, I Got Hit by MORAL SUPERIORITY and My Heart Stopped. Death again.
As I Turned LEFT onto Any Street in dA U S of A, I Got Knocked into dA Gutter by RESISTANCE and Bled to Death
As I Turned LEFT, then LEFT, LEFT, and LEFT Again, I Kept Running into PROMISES; PROMISES, PROMISES, PROMISES and LEFT Turned into LIES, LIES, LIES, LIES and mO LIES.

Made Me Take dA Next RIGHT Turn. and

I NOW, Live on dA Street of dA BEST; GREATEST; LEADER of ALL TIME aka 45.

dA Street of GREAT AGAIN Yap

p.s. NOW dats some Super Duper HIGH IQ and SUPER DUPER CRITICAL Thinkin' Yap

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May we All have a METAMORPHOSIS. REASON. GOoD JUDGEMENT and LOVE and ORDER!!!!!

Nice demonstration of talent Byron, you know how to cut and paste.

Any original thoughts about '45 or just more personal blog. hijack and vacuous thread 'filler'?

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to look at something with a prejudiced view

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"Sour Grapes make a bitter Whine." <(0)>

Carl Sagan wrote the following:

As the ancient myth makers knew,
we humans are children equally of the earth and the sky.

we humans are a relative new species on planet earth
In our short tenure on this planet.

we humans have accumulated dangerous evolutionary baggage,
propensities for aggression and ritual,
submission to leaders, hostility to outsiders,
all of which puts our survival in some doubt.

But we've also acquired compassion for others,
love for our children,
a desire to learn from history and experience
and a great soaring passionate intelligence,
the clear tools for our continued survival and prosperity.

Which aspects of our nature will prevail is uncertain,
particularly when our visions and prospects
are bound to one small part of the small planet Earth.
But up there in the Cosmos an inescapable perspective awaits.

National boundaries are not evident
when we view the Earth from space.
Fanatical ethnic or religious or national chauvinisms
are a little difficult to maintain
when we see our planet
as a fragile blue crescent fading to become
an inconspicuous point of light against
the bastion and citadel of the stars.

There are not yet any obvious signs of extraterrestrial intelligence
and this makes us wonder whether civilizations like ours
always rush implacably, headlong, toward self-destruction.

our global civilization is clearly
on the edge of failure and
the most important task we humans faces is
preserving the lives and well-being of its citizens
and the future habitability of the planet.

But if we're willing to live with the growing likelihood
of nuclear war
shouldn't we also been willing to explore vigorously
every possible means to prevent nuclear war.

We've reached a point where there
can be no more special interests
or special cases, nuclear arms
threaten every person on the Earth.

Fundamental changes in society are
sometimes labelled impractical or
contrary to human nature,
as if nuclear war were practical
or as if there's only one human nature.

But fundamental changes can clearly be made
we're surrounded by them.

In the last two centuries
abject slavery which was with us for thousands
of years has almost entirely
been eliminated in a stirring
worldwide revolution.
Women, systematically mistreated
for millennia are gradually
gaining the political and
economic power traditionally denied them

and some wars of aggression
have recently been stopped or curtailed
because of a revulsion
felt by the people in the aggressor nations.

The old appeals
to racial, sexual, religious, chauvinism,
and to rabid nationalist fervor
are beginning not to work.

A new consciousness is developing
on planet Earth which
sees the Earth as a single organism
and recognizes that an organism
at war with itself is doomed.

History is full of people who out of fear
or ignorance or the lust for power
have destroyed treasures of immeasurable value
which truly belong to all of us

We must not let it happen again!

we know who speaks for the nations
but .............

who speaks for the human species ?
who speaks for planet earth ?

we speaks for Earth!

Our loyalties are to the species and the planet

our obligation to survive and flourish
is owed not just to ourselves
but also to that Cosmos ancient
and vast from which we sprang.

--- Carl Sagan

Beautiful!

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I suggest that the Sagan references and responses, so as not to continue the unintended hijacking of this Thread. Be moved to another Subject.

You've already been told by the mods that the OP decides that. You want total control of a thread, start one.

Can the two of you please act like adults.

If you wish a post to be hidden red-x it and explain your reasons.

Please do not red-x it just to comment on the post!

So far all I see is the same attack and counter attack that adds absolutely nothing positive to the discussion.

And please DO NOT comment on this post. Just try and discuss a subject without always trying to get "one up " over the other.

Your continuous fixation on individuals & symbols deflects from history. What did you used to teach?

For 45 years 2 men, one POTUS & one Chairman held the world in a grip of a "cold war". DID they ever launch a nuclear attack? All throughout that period there was death & destruction occurring somewhere in the world. Did you shout from the rooftops about the death of billions any time in that period?

For the "greatest nation on Earth" where are your level-headed leaders?

We know where one is - busy on Twitter :-)

How long will it be before Trump blows a fuse?

Not only is he at war with most of the world, but also his own party that is now putting real pressure on him to STFU.

Other countries are going through their U.S. deals to see which he can renege on so that they can come up with better solutions that don't rely on the U.S. (very few seem to be willing to make any new deals with the U.S. while he's in office) while others are now doing deals that leave the U.S. out entirely.

Meanwhile Trump seems to be having a lot of trouble reading maps or knowing who is the head of certain countries (is it an age thing?). LOL

But then he probably thinks that running a country (or maybe in his thinking, the world) is just like running The Apprentice.

Only time will tell, but one thing is certain, "he can't be trusted" (though many of his previous business contacts already knew this).

As for, "Making America Great Again", it should've read, "Making America The Greatest Distrustful Country In The World", which is probably why some states over there are toying with the idea of leaving the Dis-United States of America to go it alone.

What or Who is next?

Cheers.

Stop dreaming. With all the bluster from both sides, someone will blow a fuse. If US 1st then you not only become an International Pariah but you will have China on your back. If Ping Pong II, then your MIC can rub their hands with glee at all that lovely $$$$ rolling in as the American War Machine rolls once again.

Either way will add to your favourite mantra - "Billions dead" with some extra numbers added.

Getting both sides to tone it down is seen as silence?

Looking at all the posts/threads on this, no one has denied that. My point is that NOTHING has occurred that enables you to vent & seek his murder. Amazing to see SUCH a small country scare the BIG Stars & Stripes.

Many thought that when India & Pakistan got nukes, it would start. So far all that has been seen is "conventional skirmishes".