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Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30650 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
And no one died because their Medicaid was cut off.Proof? Better question https://www.google.com/search?q=has+medicade+been+cut+by+trump&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8 |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19062 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
George Papadopoulos? The 2009 graduate of DePaul University |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19062 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
And no one died because their Medicaid was cut off.Proof? I found this at bottom of 1st page. http://www.carbonated.tv/news/amy-schnelle-medicaid-coverage-cancel-seizure-death-trumpcare |
j mercer Send message Joined: 3 Jun 99 Posts: 2422 Credit: 12,323,733 RAC: 1 |
And no one died because their Medicaid was cut off.Proof? Please do not put words in my mouth. Where did I say the link was proof of anything. I offered a link to further the dialog and it has and with better links. ... |
JaundicedEye Send message Joined: 14 Mar 12 Posts: 5375 Credit: 30,870,693 RAC: 1 |
I found this at bottom of 1st page. Point.........this occurred under the PRESENT OBAMACARE SYSTEM not due to ANY CUTS IN MEDICAID CAUSED BY REPEAL AND REPLACE. The replacement plans put forth to date do not CUT Medicare benefits, they have all advocated a reduction in the RATE OF GROWTH of Medicare. Since Obummercare was enacted the Medicare rolls have swelled with the inclusion of many able bodied non-working individuals who are also defrauding the Welfare system. I am swinging to the belief that we just let Obummercare TOTALLY FAIL! The downside of that strategy is 'Single Payer' being forced down our throats which was the goal of the Socialist/Democrats from the start. "Sour Grapes make a bitter Whine." <(0)> |
Mr. Kevvy Send message Joined: 15 May 99 Posts: 3776 Credit: 1,114,826,392 RAC: 3,319 |
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Mr. Kevvy Send message Joined: 15 May 99 Posts: 3776 Credit: 1,114,826,392 RAC: 3,319 |
But his attackers, in this case, are exposing that they are even worse. Could you possibly back this statement up? Really... you keep repeating this like it actually means something. I would like to know how opposing something or someone automatically makes someone "worse" than the thing they are opposing. Here's an example: Donald Trump actually claimed that removing Confederate statues is akin to removing statues of Jefferson and Washington. General Lee was an enemy of the United States. He fought against the United States. In doing so he tried to kill as many United States soldiers as he could... that is what war is about. And yet there are statues of him on public land that validate these actions? Here is the word for word quote: "So, this week it's Robert E. Lee," Trump said. "I notice that Stonewall Jackson is coming down. I wonder is it George Washington next week, and is it Thomas Jefferson the week after? You know, you really do have to ask yourself, where does it stop?" So, do you agree with this statement that the losing, traitorous Confederacy who seceded from and went to war against the United States to preserve slavery and institutionalize racism (again in the correct and literal use of the word) is just as deserving of being officially honoured as George Washington and Thomas Jefferson... or do you oppose it, and "expose yourself as being worse"? (Edit: You've also called Donald Trump an "idiot" several times... somehow this doesn't qualify as an "attack" though, yet one of his peers objecting very specifically to something he has said or done and very much in a position to do so (ie the very conservative Orrin Hatch stating that "My brother didn't die fighting Hitler for Nazis to go unchallenged today") is somehow "even worse"... double-standard much?) |
MOMMY: He is MAKING ME Read His Posts Thoughts and Prayers. GOoD Thoughts and GOoD Prayers. HATERWORLD Vs THOUGHTs and PRAYERs World. It Is a BATTLE ROYALE. Nobody LOVEs Me. Everybody HATEs Me. Why Don't I Go Eat Worms. Tasty Treats are Wormy Meat. Yes Send message Joined: 16 Jun 02 Posts: 6895 Credit: 6,588,977 RAC: 0 |
CEOs Quiting Council, 'cause BEST PREZ EVER did not Say wat dey Think Best. BahWaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. Are these Corporation BOSSes with Such HIGH PRINCIPLES going to NOT SELL their Products to These White People they DEEM NOT HUMAN? NOT LIKELY. In Other Words: GRANDSTANDING HYPOCRITES. If You as a Corporation Boss Do Not Believe Certain White People are NOT HUMAN, then STOP SELLING YOUR PRODUCTs to Them. If You DO NOT STOP SELLING PRODUCTs to Certain White People You DEEM NOT HUMAN, then You Are A GRANDSTANDING HYPOCRITE. If A State Governor or City Mayor Deems Certain White People ARE NOT HUMAN, and Should LEAVE THE COUNTRY, then ROUND THEM UP, Put them on A Boat or Plane and Send them OUT of the U S of A. If Not: GRANDSTANDING HYPOCRITE. Again BEST PREZ EVER doing dA BESTEST fO We dA WEEE People of America GRANDSTANDING Yap May we All have a METAMORPHOSIS. REASON. GOoD JUDGEMENT and LOVE and ORDER!!!!! |
betreger Send message Joined: 29 Jun 99 Posts: 11361 Credit: 29,581,041 RAC: 66 |
Again BEST PREZ EVER doing dA BESTEST fO We dA WEEE People of America Nope |
Wiggo Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 34744 Credit: 261,360,520 RAC: 489 |
The worst prez in da world is again showing us why, as reality slips through those small orange hands of his. Even Lauren Duca slams Trump for his ‘d*** measuring contest’ with North Korea. Meanwhile Trump is sucking up to his far right supporters again as he likely wants more riots to happen while many others condemn him. It's a sick world we're in when a country can elect such a sick wacko loser to represent them. Cheers. |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19062 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
Another page of reactions from Congress and State Governors, Trump again blamed ‘both sides’ in Charlottesville. Here’s how politicians are reacting. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30650 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Another page of reactions from Congress and State Governors, Trump again blamed ‘both sides’ in Charlottesville. Here’s how politicians are reacting. Perhaps he has done the calculus and believes there is more money for him to be made as the infamous President to be removed from office. It would secure him is history classes for as long as there is a USA. |
betreger Send message Joined: 29 Jun 99 Posts: 11361 Credit: 29,581,041 RAC: 66 |
Perhaps he has done the calculus and believes there is more money for him to be made as the infamous President to be removed from office. It would secure him is history classes for as long as there is a USA. And so far he is small change in the history of oligarchs. Gates, Allen, Buffet, Musk or many others could buy him out without belching. |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19062 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
Perhaps he has done the calculus and believes there is more money for him to be made as the infamous President to be removed from office. It would secure him is history classes for as long as there is a USA. Bill Gates just, (15th Aug) put a donation into his Charity Foundation more than Trump is worth. Bill Gates gives $4.6bn to charity in biggest donation since 2000 |
Mr. Kevvy Send message Joined: 15 May 99 Posts: 3776 Credit: 1,114,826,392 RAC: 3,319 |
I have no problem with a removal. Especially if they are located in a State Capital Building, or other place of honor. A Replacement to an area where people can visit and understand our history. Both the good and bad. Is the Non Orwellian solution. History should not be erased by any means, but these statues belong in a museum, right beside the exhibits on slavery, Jim Crow, lynchings, and every other ugly and thankfully bygone relic institution that they fought to preserve. They do not deserve a place of honor on public land within the United States, because they fought against the United States as citizens of another country. To give them such officially legitimizes with the force of government and sanctions their actions, and those of every one of their followers today. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30650 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
I have no problem with a removal. Especially if they are located in a State Capital Building, or other place of honor. A Replacement to an area where people can visit and understand our history. Both the good and bad. Is the Non Orwellian solution. Since these things were paid for by the taxpayer - even if donated their upkeep was - and they never should have been, is it not correct for the government to sell them for scrap value and put those funds back into their general funds? If they are of value to a museum then it can bit at the scrap auction. |
JaundicedEye Send message Joined: 14 Mar 12 Posts: 5375 Credit: 30,870,693 RAC: 1 |
I agree with the ordered and legal removal of these statues, plaques and flags for appropriate display of Historic value. Removal by mob action is vandalism of public property and should be prosecuted. We purportedly live in a Society of Law, mob rule is unacceptable under any excuse. President Trump tried initially to express this point on Saturday by rightly asserting that both the groups involved in the riot were to blame. Granted, the Neo Nasties and Klumsy Kaped Krusaders incited the reaction by their Krystalnact style antisemitic parade on Friday night hoping to incite the exact reaction that occurred. By reacting predictably with violence the extreme leftists (many of whom, LIKE the extreme rightists were not local to Charlottesville)also contributed to the escalation. Trump is correct, the few good LOCAL people on both sides who came to exercise their 1st Amendment rights were swallowed by the extremists on both sides and have now been painted with the same broad brush. There are no degrees of pregnancy, both groups were determined to violently express their extremist philosophies because they are marginalized by mainstream American Citizens who find both extremes distasteful. Both Gandhi and Dr MLK expressed the belief that " The most powerful weapon of the oppressed is non-violent resistance." Imagine how different the outcome would have been if the counter protestors had simply all sat locked arm in arm in the path of the marching nasties............ "Sour Grapes make a bitter Whine." <(0)> |
betreger Send message Joined: 29 Jun 99 Posts: 11361 Credit: 29,581,041 RAC: 66 |
Granted, the Neo Nasties and Klumsy Kaped Krusaders incited the reaction by their Krystalnact style antisemitic parade on Friday night hoping to incite the exact reaction that occurred. By reacting predictably with violence the extreme leftists (many of whom, LIKE the extreme rightists were not local to Charlottesville)also contributed to the escalation. It was a neo Nazi who committed murder. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30650 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Mr. Eye, I believe your post says you agree with 45, that Nazi's and people who oppose Nazi's are morally equivalent. https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=81817&postid=1884231 |
JaundicedEye Send message Joined: 14 Mar 12 Posts: 5375 Credit: 30,870,693 RAC: 1 |
@Gary...........I have made NO moral equivalency, I have stated that violence begets violence. The fact that you see my remarks as such says a great deal about your bias of perception and your need to interpret the meanings you want from the words of others. The facts are the group that had a legal permit, no matter what I or you think of their views, were allowed by the city officials to hold the rally. Despite having sufficient force available they failed to act responsibly and keep the groups separated. I do not support antisemitism, racism, supremacy of ANY race, creed, color or religious belief. I do believe the First Amendment allows others to have those beliefs however misguided or repugnant. Violent demonstrations have NO PLACE in a Rule of Law Society and IMHO are the end result of our current social climate of polarization and confrontation rather than discussion and compromise. The best way to insult and diminish the impact of the NAZI/KKK/Supremacist movements is to simply IGNORE THEM. They thrive on publicity and if they don't receive any they fade away.................. "Sour Grapes make a bitter Whine." <(0)> |
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