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A percentage of us will have a generally low (or happy or negative or go getting or passive.. whatever) mood so whilst we might suffer clinical depression it would probably be a mistake to try to chemically over-ride our biological natural state.

My mother was always on the low mood side. What does that mean, exactly? Well, she was always a very contemplative ponderous person. That, in itself doesn't clinically define depression, although it may superficially come across so to some people. In the grand scheme of things, she was a dichotomous mix of mellowness and anxiety. The way I follow your point is we should all try harder to live with the way our brains are, rather than try to change them through medication. I can agree with that to a certain extent, but it doesn't always work, and modern brain science medicine is good for a lot of people.

I think my point (perhaps poorly expressed) was what I think you are getting at.

In clinical depression it is often hard to seperate the natural state of our bodies and minds from the illness.

If we can we should try and seperate our natural mood state from an illness.

If only as a self kindness so not as to add an extra burden thinking we are more ill than we are.

That doesn't mean that natural or biological non-plus states can't be improved also for the comfort and benefit of ones life.

I think I was trying to say that even with depression you can still feel the natural everyday issues and lows but we should be cautious not to add that on top of the health issue.

I just know from my own reflections on my experience that feeling low or distressed is not a proof of clinical depression.

Clinical depression doesn't neccesarily mean a negative mood.

Your brain may be a go getting personality but for whatever reason your body may be or say different.

I'm not much into concepts or types of herbalism but don't discount that some find it usefull.

Some herbals or what we should really just call 'plants' have significant effect.

Some people swear by St Jon's Wort.

Mandrake has some anti-psychotic effects.

Those tiny grey (not psilocybin) mushrooms that grow on most english lawns are filled with neuro-active chemicals that have an effect.

I suspect that if we compared the healing or recovery effects (and discounted natural recovery) of those who suffered some general illness and took say an anti-biotic, an anti-viral, had surgery or anti-depressant that anti-depressants would be low on the scale of ameliorators. (That which makes us better or well.)

I prefer modern western medicine.

.. but I am not a 'believer' in modern pharamacology as I don't have to be. It either works or it doesn't.


My grandmothers used St Jon's Wort. I suspect it is used more by females.

Perhaps it has a better effect on female bio-chemistry?

(As to ideas and their effect. Culturally St Jon's Wort is used and trusted more by Germans than most other nations for mood issues?.... Another odd fact is that mint was imported into Britain by the Romans. Prior to that St Jon's Wort held it's place?... )

I think I was trying to say that even with depression you can still feel the natural everyday issues and lows but we should be cautious not to add that on top of the health issue.

Clinical depression doesn't necessarily mean a negative mood.

I agree that mood is a different thing from depression.
I consider myself as having been in a depression all my life, but I also have good moods and bad. (My depression isn't one big long bad mood.) Good point.

I'm not much into concepts or types of herbalism but don't discount that some find it usefull.

I still think human made pharmaceuticals are helpful in many cases. I've never personally taken any of these antidepressants, but I have nothing against them.

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The mind is a weird and mysterious place

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I consider myself as having been in a depression all my life, but I also have good moods and bad. (My depression isn't one big long bad mood.) Good point......

Now consider this idea.

We know there is a genetic propensity of one in four. A transmition or change of certain characteristics.

What if the one in four of people who experience depression at some point in their lives... or the one in four of them that suffer it all of their lives... are just another genetic propensity..

What if people who suffer depression are what nature throws out as evolutionary possibilities and because we do not fit in to the current state we can not cope both mentally or physically.

What if people with depression (or at least one in four of them) are the next evolutionary step in our bio-brain being? :)

The mind boggles..

What if people with depression (or at least one in four of them) are the next evolutionary step in our bio-brain being? :)

Well, I'm a genius, then. ;~) Thank you for making me feel better about myself.

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The mind is a weird and mysterious place

Just to add a different slant to the thread:

I love this song: Marmalade - Reflections Of My Life.

It's a bit of a cultural artifact and isn't how I see the world but has an introspection I kind of know.

Do you have a tune that gets to the core of you?



(Also has anyone here read any of the works of Candace Pert? I'd be interested in chating about reciprocity between body, cells, mind and thought....)

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Well, I'm a genius, then. ;~) Thank you for making me feel better about myself.

We always knew.

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Well, I'm a genius, then. ;~) Thank you for making me feel better about myself.

We always knew.

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Lol, I'm sorry, I sound like a know-it-all. I definitely don't.

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The mind is a weird and mysterious place

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Lol, I'm sorry, I sound like a know-it-all. I definitely don't...

It's the sign of an intelligent mind when we question the questions in question...

Or perhaps the sign of a true genius madness :)~

I meant we always knew you were a genius.. Not that I thought you were a know-it-all...

I wish I knew it all. It would save me from trying to know anything.

That would be a kind of peace.

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Lol, I'm sorry, I sound like a know-it-all. I definitely don't...

It's the sign of an intelligent mind when we question the questions in question...

Or perhaps the sign of a true genius madness :)~

I meant we always knew you were a genius.. Not that I thought you were a know-it-all...

I wish I knew it all. It would save me from trying to know anything.

That would be a kind of peace.

:~)
I think I should take my mother's cane and make my way into the living room, and watch some Frasier.

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The mind is a weird and mysterious place

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Well, I'm a genius, then. ;~) Thank you for making me feel better about myself.

We always knew.

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Lol, I'm sorry, I sound like a know-it-all. I definitely don't.

My mom called Me a know it all, I think She had Me confused with Wile E. Coyote, His card said He was a Super Genius.

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The T1 Trust, PRR T1 Class 4-4-4-4 #5550, 1 of America's First HST's

Just to add a different slant to the thread:

I love this song: Marmalade - Reflections Of My Life.

It's a bit of a cultural artifact and isn't how I see the world but has an introspection I kind of know.

Do you have a tune that gets to the core of you?



(Also has anyone here read any of the works of Candace Pert? I'd be interested in chating about reciprocity between body, cells, mind and thought....)

It was a lovely production. Then Youtube offered this one:

John Dean - Reflections Of My Life.

Tom

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A proud member of the OFA (Old Farts Association).

Please forgive my lack of response. I am dealing with a family bereavement at present. I will reply to the points addressed to me as soon as I can.

Please do not get stressed out about "responding promptly". The whole point of this medium of communications is to keep a conversation alive and available at whatever pace we wish.

I am sorry to hear of the passing of a loved one. I understand. My wife has passed "recently". And I am not over it.

Tom

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A proud member of the OFA (Old Farts Association).

Please forgive my lack of response. I am dealing with a family bereavement at present. I will reply to the points addressed to me as soon as I can.

Please do not get stressed out about "responding promptly". The whole point of this medium of communications is to keep a conversation alive and available at whatever pace we wish.

I am sorry to hear of the passing of a loved one. I understand. My wife has passed "recently". And I am not over it.

Tom

My sincere condolences to you both.

Grieving the loss of a loved one is a night without limit with no promise of dawn. It will come, Tom, in time. My best wishes to you, Sir.

Please forgive my lack of response. I am dealing with a family bereavement at present. I will reply to the points addressed to me as soon as I can.

Please do not get stressed out about "responding promptly". The whole point of this medium of communications is to keep a conversation alive and available at whatever pace we wish.

I am sorry to hear of the passing of a loved one. I understand. My wife has passed "recently". And I am not over it.

Tom

My sincere condolences to you both.

Grieving the loss of a loved one is a night without limit with no promise of dawn. It will come, Tom, in time. My best wishes to you, Sir.

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The T1 Trust, PRR T1 Class 4-4-4-4 #5550, 1 of America's First HST's

I am dealing with a family bereavement at present.

Wishing you peace as you mourn the loss of a loved one.

I am also sorry to hear of the family loss. Best wishes for you.

For myself, things have been looking up. Meds are starting to work.

But now, I must be on guard for my next depressive enemy......SAD.
Seasonal affective disorder.

Since spring and summer are my most wonderful times of the year, the first sign of turning leaves generally turns my spirits upside down. It is a real, visceral reaction and wants to send me into a downward spiral.

This year, I feel I am better equipped to deal with it straight on.
Hope to continue meowing until I can see spring approaching again.

Meow.

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"Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster

Good luck to you, Mark! You have people who care about you that are rooting for you.

Good luck to you, Mark! You have people who care about you that are rooting for you.

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Good luck to you, Mark! You have people who care about you that are rooting for you.

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The T1 Trust, PRR T1 Class 4-4-4-4 #5550, 1 of America's First HST's

Thank you very much, OzzFan, Angela, and Vic.
Encouraging words count as medicine also.
Sometimes, it is indeed the best kind.

Meow!

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"Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster