New binary to test on beta

Message boards : Number crunching : New binary to test on beta
Message board moderation

To post messages, you must log in.

1 · 2 · 3 · 4 . . . 9 · Next

AuthorMessage
Profile Raistmer
Volunteer developer
Volunteer tester
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 16 Jun 01
Posts: 5824
Credit: 76,289,277
RAC: 54,981
Russia
Message 1870984 - Posted: 3 Jun 2017, 23:34:22 UTC

I built PGOed version of x64 MultiBeam stock Windows app. Speedup expected. Please participate in testing.
Windows/x86 running on an AMD x86_64 or Intel EM64T CPU 8.06 (alt) 1 Jun 2017, 17:48:19 UTC 26 GigaFLOPS
SETI apps news
We're not gonna fight them. We're gonna transcend them.
ID: 1870984 · Report as offensive     Reply Quote
Profile ZalsterProject Donor
Volunteer tester
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 27 May 99
Posts: 3993
Credit: 208,967,587
RAC: 36,639
United States
Message 1870987 - Posted: 3 Jun 2017, 23:39:23 UTC - in response to Message 1870984.  

So these are CPU task for testing? They are on beta site?
ID: 1870987 · Report as offensive     Reply Quote
Profile Keith Myers
Volunteer tester
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 29 Apr 01
Posts: 2451
Credit: 185,730,147
RAC: 367,180
United States
Message 1870990 - Posted: 4 Jun 2017, 0:12:34 UTC
Last modified: 4 Jun 2017, 0:13:40 UTC

OK, that had me scratching my head in confusion. A couple of Google searches finally gave me what I think is your meaning. By PGO'ed version.... I assume you mean you developed a "profile guided optimization" version of the MB CPU app? Is that something like you do with profiling in your SoG app? If so, I would think that could provide a major improvement in computation efficiency. I think you hinted at that in your note. If I am more confused than usual. .... please correct me.
Seti@Home classic workunits:20,676 CPU time:74,226 hours
ID: 1870990 · Report as offensive     Reply Quote
Profile Raistmer
Volunteer developer
Volunteer tester
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 16 Jun 01
Posts: 5824
Credit: 76,289,277
RAC: 54,981
Russia
Message 1870992 - Posted: 4 Jun 2017, 0:16:27 UTC

Nothing in common with SoG.
Just new x64 CPU stock build expected to be faster than current one.
But cause big numbers of CPUs involved here its impact on project performance may be comparable with SoG introduction indeed.
SETI apps news
We're not gonna fight them. We're gonna transcend them.
ID: 1870992 · Report as offensive     Reply Quote
Profile Raistmer
Volunteer developer
Volunteer tester
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 16 Jun 01
Posts: 5824
Credit: 76,289,277
RAC: 54,981
Russia
Message 1870993 - Posted: 4 Jun 2017, 0:17:42 UTC - in response to Message 1870987.  

So these are CPU task for testing? They are on beta site?

It's CPU app for testing on beta.
SETI apps news
We're not gonna fight them. We're gonna transcend them.
ID: 1870993 · Report as offensive     Reply Quote
Profile ZalsterProject Donor
Volunteer tester
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 27 May 99
Posts: 3993
Credit: 208,967,587
RAC: 36,639
United States
Message 1870994 - Posted: 4 Jun 2017, 0:25:05 UTC - in response to Message 1870993.  

Trying to clear my cache so I can bring a rig back to Beta. Boinc won't let me download until I clear out the cache some more.
ID: 1870994 · Report as offensive     Reply Quote
Profile Keith Myers
Volunteer tester
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 29 Apr 01
Posts: 2451
Credit: 185,730,147
RAC: 367,180
United States
Message 1870995 - Posted: 4 Jun 2017, 0:31:59 UTC

So, how do you go about getting the beta 8.06 app? I just put this rig on beta and only got the 8.05 app.
Seti@Home classic workunits:20,676 CPU time:74,226 hours
ID: 1870995 · Report as offensive     Reply Quote
Grant (SSSF)
Volunteer tester

Send message
Joined: 19 Aug 99
Posts: 8894
Credit: 115,355,780
RAC: 70,403
Australia
Message 1870997 - Posted: 4 Jun 2017, 0:43:24 UTC - in response to Message 1870994.  

Trying to clear my cache so I can bring a rig back to Beta. Boinc won't let me download until I clear out the cache some more.

I just suspend this project and let it go to town on the other.
Grant
Darwin NT
ID: 1870997 · Report as offensive     Reply Quote
Profile ZalsterProject Donor
Volunteer tester
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 27 May 99
Posts: 3993
Credit: 208,967,587
RAC: 36,639
United States
Message 1871004 - Posted: 4 Jun 2017, 0:59:12 UTC - in response to Message 1870997.  
Last modified: 4 Jun 2017, 0:59:18 UTC

You can abort the current task and it will send the next version.. How I did it
ID: 1871004 · Report as offensive     Reply Quote
Profile Keith Myers
Volunteer tester
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 29 Apr 01
Posts: 2451
Credit: 185,730,147
RAC: 367,180
United States
Message 1871008 - Posted: 4 Jun 2017, 1:14:03 UTC - in response to Message 1871004.  
Last modified: 4 Jun 2017, 1:14:24 UTC

Thanks Zalster, I will give that a try.
Seti@Home classic workunits:20,676 CPU time:74,226 hours
ID: 1871008 · Report as offensive     Reply Quote
Profile Raistmer
Volunteer developer
Volunteer tester
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 16 Jun 01
Posts: 5824
Credit: 76,289,277
RAC: 54,981
Russia
Message 1871009 - Posted: 4 Jun 2017, 1:15:17 UTC
Last modified: 4 Jun 2017, 1:15:54 UTC

I would just allow CPU work for beta project.
Only if after let say ~2 weeks there is still no attempts to download new version worth to start abortions.
Of course, if host already has many completed results for x64 8.05 it's no harm to speedup things a little (on beta!) and abort CPU 8.05 to get CPU 8.06.
If no CPU work completed before one needs to complete BOTH 8.05 and 8.06 to have useful results for this testing.
SETI apps news
We're not gonna fight them. We're gonna transcend them.
ID: 1871009 · Report as offensive     Reply Quote
Profile ZalsterProject Donor
Volunteer tester
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 27 May 99
Posts: 3993
Credit: 208,967,587
RAC: 36,639
United States
Message 1871011 - Posted: 4 Jun 2017, 1:27:45 UTC - in response to Message 1871009.  

ah ok, I was getting 8.04 but if I get any 8.05 I'll let them alone..
ID: 1871011 · Report as offensive     Reply Quote
Profile Keith Myers
Volunteer tester
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 29 Apr 01
Posts: 2451
Credit: 185,730,147
RAC: 367,180
United States
Message 1871014 - Posted: 4 Jun 2017, 1:31:21 UTC - in response to Message 1871009.  
Last modified: 4 Jun 2017, 1:32:06 UTC

Thanks Raistmer, but since this was just an experiment for me, I immediately set NNT after the first slug of 8.05 tasks. I had previously set up Beta for just CPU. After I aborted the 8.05 tasks which Zalster recommended, the next request for work got me half and half 8.04 and 8.06 (alt) task. I just aborted the 8.04 tasks and have about 13 of the 8.06 (alt) CPU tasks to work through.

From what I saw with the 8.05 (x64) app, I wasn't impressed. It was definitely slower than the Lunatics 8.00 AVX hand optimized app by Joe Segur. Hope the 8.06 (alt) app can match the AVX app speed.
Seti@Home classic workunits:20,676 CPU time:74,226 hours
ID: 1871014 · Report as offensive     Reply Quote
Profile Keith Myers
Volunteer tester
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 29 Apr 01
Posts: 2451
Credit: 185,730,147
RAC: 367,180
United States
Message 1871016 - Posted: 4 Jun 2017, 1:35:16 UTC - in response to Message 1871009.  


If no CPU work completed before one needs to complete BOTH 8.05 and 8.06 to have useful results for this testing.

Oops, sorry. Didn't know that you required BOTH 8.05 and 8.06 (alt) for comparisons. Thought that 8.05 had been around for a couple of months already and you already had the baseline.
Seti@Home classic workunits:20,676 CPU time:74,226 hours
ID: 1871016 · Report as offensive     Reply Quote
Profile Raistmer
Volunteer developer
Volunteer tester
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 16 Jun 01
Posts: 5824
Credit: 76,289,277
RAC: 54,981
Russia
Message 1871018 - Posted: 4 Jun 2017, 1:41:04 UTC - in response to Message 1871014.  


From what I saw with the 8.05 (x64) app, I wasn't impressed. It was definitely slower than the Lunatics 8.00 AVX hand optimized app by Joe Segur. Hope the 8.06 (alt) app can match the AVX app speed.

Void comparison.
Joe's binaries were for version 7 of MultiBeam. We on version 8 currently. So, his binaries can't be used no matter how fast they are.
Current AVX opt build is my M$ VC based one. Most probably it's faster even than this build but again, they have different area of usage.
Stock is to work everywhere, AVX opt for manual installation on AVX-only hosts.

So, we don't compare opt and stock here. We compare x64 8.05 and 8.06 ones between each other (and do this for the reason).
SETI apps news
We're not gonna fight them. We're gonna transcend them.
ID: 1871018 · Report as offensive     Reply Quote
Profile Raistmer
Volunteer developer
Volunteer tester
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 16 Jun 01
Posts: 5824
Credit: 76,289,277
RAC: 54,981
Russia
Message 1871019 - Posted: 4 Jun 2017, 1:46:05 UTC
Last modified: 4 Jun 2017, 1:47:09 UTC

Least detailed test result would be:

Windows/x86 running on an AMD x86_64 or Intel EM64T CPU 8.05 10 Feb 2017, 20:57:18 UTC 299 GigaFLOPS
Windows/x86 running on an AMD x86_64 or Intel EM64T CPU 8.06 (alt) 1 Jun 2017, 17:48:19 UTC 27 GigaFLOPS

If/when second number will exceed first - testing will be completed.

More detailed results are per hosts of different architectures/SIMD levels - will SSE2 Winchester behave similarly to SSE3 Venice or AVX IvyBridge for example?
SETI apps news
We're not gonna fight them. We're gonna transcend them.
ID: 1871019 · Report as offensive     Reply Quote
Profile Keith Myers
Volunteer tester
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 29 Apr 01
Posts: 2451
Credit: 185,730,147
RAC: 367,180
United States
Message 1871023 - Posted: 4 Jun 2017, 2:05:21 UTC - in response to Message 1871019.  

Sorry, I misquoted the apps heritage. I never meant to disparage your efforts.

    Windows optimized setiathome_v8 application
    Based on Intel, Core 2-optimized v8-nographics V5.13 by Alex Kan
    AVXxj Win64 Build 3330 , Ported by : Raistmer, JDWhale



I was only comparing the 8.05 apps progress against what I was normally used to with the AVX r3330 version I normally run.


Seti@Home classic workunits:20,676 CPU time:74,226 hours
ID: 1871023 · Report as offensive     Reply Quote
Profile ZalsterProject Donor
Volunteer tester
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 27 May 99
Posts: 3993
Credit: 208,967,587
RAC: 36,639
United States
Message 1871035 - Posted: 4 Jun 2017, 2:56:10 UTC - in response to Message 1871023.  

Roughly 2 hours per work unit on new app. I'll try and get some more CPUs over there to try them out on different ones.
ID: 1871035 · Report as offensive     Reply Quote
Profile Keith Myers
Volunteer tester
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 29 Apr 01
Posts: 2451
Credit: 185,730,147
RAC: 367,180
United States
Message 1871040 - Posted: 4 Jun 2017, 3:22:25 UTC

Hmmmm, significantly slower so far. Unless they make like bandits for the last 50%. Might have something to do I guess with my inferior AMD FX performance compared to Intel.
Seti@Home classic workunits:20,676 CPU time:74,226 hours
ID: 1871040 · Report as offensive     Reply Quote
Grant (SSSF)
Volunteer tester

Send message
Joined: 19 Aug 99
Posts: 8894
Credit: 115,355,780
RAC: 70,403
Australia
Message 1871044 - Posted: 4 Jun 2017, 3:40:30 UTC - in response to Message 1871040.  

Hmmmm, significantly slower so far. Unless they make like bandits for the last 50%. Might have something to do I guess with my inferior AMD FX performance compared to Intel.

Slower than the 8.04 or 8.05 applications, or just the AVX one?
Grant
Darwin NT
ID: 1871044 · Report as offensive     Reply Quote
1 · 2 · 3 · 4 . . . 9 · Next

Message boards : Number crunching : New binary to test on beta


 
©2017 University of California
 
SETI@home and Astropulse are funded by grants from the National Science Foundation, NASA, and donations from SETI@home volunteers. AstroPulse is funded in part by the NSF through grant AST-0307956.