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Message 1871030 - Posted: 4 Jun 2017, 2:28:37 UTC

From the viewpoint of Floating Point performance on a watt for watt basis, Intel has always maintained its lead. That has changed now for Ryzen. And the shift in applications performance from CPU to GPU nicely coincided with my move to solar generation. That is why I never felt any remorse for the inferiority of AMD FP performance in CPU's . I never felt like I would have better performance from Intel for the watts I paid for from the power utility since I made my own power. Most of my power consumption is GPU based. There is now more an argument over Nvidia vs. AMD compared to AMD vs. Intel.

I am liking the fact that I am using about 60W less for the Ryzen system compared to my FX systems for triple the output. That is a win-win in my ledger.
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Message 1871039 - Posted: 4 Jun 2017, 3:07:35 UTC

I'll go anyway so long as it makes sense.

All my rigs have always been based on midrange hardware and next year I would really like to finally retire my old Athlon II X4 and a Ryzen 5 1600X finally looks to fit that bill, thus making my i5 2500K take the current place of the Athlon II X4 as the house PC and winter time cruncher for extra heat in the shed.

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Message 1871042 - Posted: 4 Jun 2017, 3:31:47 UTC - in response to Message 1871039.  
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You may be disappointed in the "space heater" function of the R5 1600X. I don't think you will be disappointed in its overall throughput compared to your Athlon II X4. Six cores HT'd compared to 4 still comes out ahead in my book. Ryzen "REALLY" likes AVX pathways.
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Message 1871046 - Posted: 4 Jun 2017, 3:44:44 UTC - in response to Message 1871042.  

You may be disappointed in the "space heater" function of the R5 1600X. I don't think you will be disappointed in its overall throughput compared to your Athlon II X4. Six cores HT'd compared to 4 still comes out ahead in my book. Ryzen "REALLY" likes AVX pathways.

I'm disappointed the "space heater" function of my 1060's. LOL

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Message 1871113 - Posted: 4 Jun 2017, 14:38:56 UTC - in response to Message 1871046.  

Pick up a pair of 980Ti's then :)
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Message 1871579 - Posted: 7 Jun 2017, 14:54:32 UTC - in response to Message 1871020.  
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As an AMD fanboi, I hope that everyone forgives the hyperbole of Martin. I go back to the Nexgen 586 when I decided I was going to jump ship on the "bleeding edge" $1000 Intel processors. I've always approached my PC building from the "bang for the buck" philosophy. I will not offer any argument for AMD for IPC specs against concurrent Intel. There is none. But I will argue for the position that equivalent 3/4 performance of Intel systems for half the cost for AMD systems has kept me in the AMD camp for 20 years. They have always been "good enough" for general and scientific computing since I never gamed. The delivery of Ryzen has only reaffirmed my belief in AMD and I have NEVER had any buyers remorse from my AMD builds.

"Hyperbole"?! Or just a case of being aghast at certain "In-Yer-Face" anti-competitive practices? Such practices are good for noone and not even any good for the perpetrators other than for their short term profits at everyone else's expense... :-(

Consequently, we then see the knock-on effect with price gouging and lower performance and slower developments... :-( :-(


So... Enough of my "Hyperbole". See for yourself for the latest reactions from Intel to some long awaited recent developments:


A brief summary of Intel's new lineup as announced at Computex:

Youtube: Is it time to switch to AMD? Has Intel lost its mind?

A very good comment in there is about going ahead with "eyes wide open"...


And someone far better than myself for presenting has beaten me to some very apt comment for the latest offering from Intel:

Youtube: I have some things to say - Core i9 & X299

Intel's X299 launch and new Core i9 processors inspired me to create this video...



To my view: Crazy indeed.

Would you buy into that?


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Message 1871598 - Posted: 7 Jun 2017, 17:07:57 UTC - in response to Message 1871579.  

As an AMD fanboi, I hope that everyone forgives the hyperbole of Martin. I go back to the Nexgen 586 when I decided I was going to jump ship on the "bleeding edge" $1000 Intel processors. I've always approached my PC building from the "bang for the buck" philosophy. I will not offer any argument for AMD for IPC specs against concurrent Intel. There is none. But I will argue for the position that equivalent 3/4 performance of Intel systems for half the cost for AMD systems has kept me in the AMD camp for 20 years. They have always been "good enough" for general and scientific computing since I never gamed. The delivery of Ryzen has only reaffirmed my belief in AMD and I have NEVER had any buyers remorse from my AMD builds.

"Hyperbole"?! Or just a case of being aghast at certain "In-Yer-Face" anti-competitive practices? Such practices are good for noone and not even any good for the perpetrators other than for their short term profits at everyone else's expense... :-(

Consequently, we then see the knock-on effect with price gouging and lower performance and slower developments... :-( :-(


Oh, I am 100% on board with the fact that Intel has still gotten away scott-free with their marketing/distribution hijinks of the past. I am appalled that they have never had to pay up the court ordered awards to AMD. In my opinion there should have been jail time for management.

So... Enough of my "Hyperbole". See for yourself for the latest reactions from Intel to some long awaited recent developments:


I too have seen the Computex YT videos and the overall consensus of industry wags response is "Intel .... What are you thinking?" I am 100% convinced the new SKL-X, KBL-X cpus and X299 platform is a quick-draw response to Ryzen and Threadripper. That has to be the reason why they have pulled CoffeLake forward by six months earlier than its planned delivery. It seems AMD has finally produced products that has caught Intel off guard and unprepared for. I hope that AMD puts a big dent in Intel's market penetration.

A brief summary of Intel's new lineup as announced at Computex:

Youtube: Is it time to switch to AMD? Has Intel lost its mind?

A very good comment in there is about going ahead with "eyes wide open"...


And someone far better than myself for presenting has beaten me to some very apt comment for the latest offering from Intel:

Youtube: I have some things to say - Core i9 & X299

Intel's X299 launch and new Core i9 processors inspired me to create this video...



To my view: Crazy indeed.

Would you buy into that?


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Message 1871645 - Posted: 7 Jun 2017, 23:51:03 UTC - in response to Message 1871598.  

Sorry misinterpreted.

Good comment thanks,


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Message 1871812 - Posted: 8 Jun 2017, 22:29:14 UTC
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Surprised no further comment...

Or is this something that Intel users have known about all along?...

The next jokers in the pack are ARM and RISC V...


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Message 1871854 - Posted: 9 Jun 2017, 1:14:14 UTC - in response to Message 1871812.  

I'm sure for the majority of the PC user Universe ... this has all fallen on deaf ears. Best way to voice a comment in my opinion is with the pocketbook.
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Message 1872926 - Posted: 14 Jun 2017, 15:24:49 UTC - in response to Message 1871854.  

I'm sure for the majority of the PC user Universe ... this has all fallen on deaf ears. Best way to voice a comment in my opinion is with the pocketbook.

Such is the power of Marketing and exploiting the "herd" mentality?... :-(

Hopefully the fair and better tech will prevail! :-)


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Message 1873096 - Posted: 15 Jun 2017, 11:47:18 UTC

Is this where we again have "anti-development practices" stifling progress yet again?... :-(

At least this time, AMD are not the victim:


Intel to Qualcomm and Microsoft: Nice x86 emulation you've got there, shame if it got sued into oblivion

... The passage is a less-than-subtle warning to Qualcomm and Microsoft, the two companies that have been championing an effort to port Windows to ARM-compatible chips and provide Intel some rare competition (stop whining, AMD) in the desktop and notebook market...



All a very negative game of Monopoly?...

The only people to win in these games are the lawyers. All at the users' expense.


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Message 1875412 - Posted: 27 Jun 2017, 23:57:31 UTC

AMD seems to be generating some good positive heat:


EPYC leak! No, it's better than celeb noodz: AMD's forthcoming server CPU

... EPYC, the renamed Naples, is AMD's forthcoming server CPU design, to be followed by updates codenamed Rome and Milan.

It features:

Up to 32 Zen cores
8 DDR4 Channels/CPU – up to 2,666 MHz
Up to 2TB Memory per CPU
128 PCIe lanes
Dedicated security subsystem
Integrated chipset
Socket-compatibility with next-gen EPYC processors

The processor variants and their core/thread counts and clock details are: ...

... AMD's basic appeal seems to be to build cheap Xeon substitutes, with Intel not quite managing to kill AMD off, and so we all avoid Intel having an absolute x86 server monopoly but still pay high x86 prices.

Can AMD struggle up from its current gnat status to be big enough to provide real competition to the Intel elephant?...



In the Epyc center: More Zen server CPU specs, prices sneak out of AMD

... Epyc. That's not a typo. AMD's desktop and laptop chips are called Ryzen, and its server-class family is called Epyc. Welcome to the new AyyyyyyyMD. Both Ryzen and Epyc are built from AMD's x86 Zen microarchitecture.

Is this AMD's big comeback; can it hope to compete against monopoly player Intel; blah, blah, blah – we'll go through all that later. For now, let's skip the opinions, and instead talk specs: each Epyc part is a 14nm system-on-chip (SoC) processor...

... Regarding power, AMD says its Epyc processors are system-on-chips: they contain the north and southbridges in the package, rather than as separate controllers, so all you have to do is add some RAM...

... AMD says Epyc matches the Broadwells in L2 and L2 TLB latencies, and has roughly half the L3 latency of Intel's counterparts...



And all despite Intel still having not paid out for crippling anti-competitive practices from years ago...

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Message 1876873 - Posted: 5 Jul 2017, 14:43:17 UTC
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To follow-up, looks like Ryzen is having a positive impact for all of us:


AMD's Ryzen 5 1600 Skyrockets To No. 2 On Amazon...

Just in time for the Fourth of July, AMD's Ryzen 5 1600 rocketed from the No. 5 spot on Amazon's bestselling CPU list to the second place position over the weekend, unseating Intel's Core i5-7600K. Amazon's best seller list is hardly indicative of overall market share--a multitude of other factors complicate the issue--but it serves as a somewhat decent indicator of the state of the upgrade market. ...

That move up is an encouraging sign for the Ryzen lineup. Intel has stood resolute in its current pricing scheme for Kaby Lake processors, but more competition might change the company's [calculations]...

... There's no doubt that AMD's new lineup is changing the status quo for desktop processors, particularly in the pricing...




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Message 1878117 - Posted: 13 Jul 2017, 20:56:42 UTC
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Here's a more real-world spread of benchmarks comparing a good mix of Ryzen and Intel CPUs.

Take your pick! :-)


AMD Ryzen 5 1400 Linux Benchmarks: 27-Way CPU Comparison On Ubuntu

... $160 USD will get you a quad-core processor plus Hyper Threading and clocks up to 3.4GHz. Here are some benchmarks of the AMD Ryzen 5 1400 on Ubuntu 17.04 compared to various other Intel and AMD CPUs over the years...



Looks very good and very practical. Those chasing the very top Marketing numbers can subsidize Intel if they so wish ;-)

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Message 1880488 - Posted: 26 Jul 2017, 22:43:11 UTC
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My reading of the latest events is that Intel look to be fearful of some competitive competition from both a technically good and price competitive offering. Why else would Intel Marketing immediately descend into some very negative press (indoctrinations & befuddlement) presentations?


See for yourself!

AMD Unveils Threadripper Retail Packaging

The enthusiast world eagerly awaits the debut of AMD's Threadripper processors. They'll be Intel's first real high-end desktop challenger in ages and could upset the pricing status quo...

... The 1950X weighs in with 16 cores and 32 threads for $999, and the Threadripper 1920X brings 12 cores and 24 threads for $799. We already know the CPU is massive -- it snaps into the 4,096-pin TR4 socket paired with the X399 chipset. All Threadripper models will also come with 64 PCIe lanes, which stands in contrast to Intel's strategy of disabling PCIe lanes on lower-end models...

... For now, Intel's Core i9-7900X serves as the company's flagship with ten cores and 20 threads. That opens a window of opportunity for AMD as it ships its 12- and 16-core models...



Intel Plays Defense: Inside Its EPYC Slide Deck

... Intel presented a deck that outlined what it considers to be its advantages against AMD’s EPYC CPUs. The slides generated a lot of controversy over the last week... But first, some background...

... which allowed Intel to gobble up ~99.6% of the market. EPYC has the potential to change this by virtue of its strong performance, scalability, aggressive pricing, and less confusing segmentation than Intel's Xeon line-up...

... Aside from market share, AMD poses a larger threat to Intel’s margins, which can exceed 60%. By strategically snipping features from various models in the Xeon portfolio, Intel is able to maximize the profit it earns...

Truth be told, it’s hard to negotiate with a company that essentially controls the world's data centers...

EPYC changes the game...

... The war between Intel and AMD is certainly getting interesting. And in some ways, the most recent battle appears to be fought with interconnects. Intel's mesh architecture and AMD's Infinity Fabric will power both companies' respective platforms for years to come. AMD's advantage here may be that it sells CPUs and GPUs, playing to its heterogeneous compute strategy...

... AMD is focusing on the areas that play to its strengths and avoiding segments that aren't a good fit for the new architecture, which it admits frankly...

... Intel is usually nonplussed in the face of competition. But its reaction to EPYC speaks volumes. In the end, absolute performance isn't nearly as important as the price-to-performance ratio, and initial signs indicate that AMD is off to a good start... and if AMD's EPYC delivers, Intel's strengths might not be able to hold it off.




Here's hoping that good honest tech and good honest marketing brings some fair competition to open up the present stagnant monopoly that we suffer in a certain area... What could possibly go wrong again?...


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Message 1880498 - Posted: 27 Jul 2017, 0:43:04 UTC - in response to Message 1880488.  
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Here's hoping that good honest tech and good honest marketing brings some fair competition to open up the present stagnant monopoly that we suffer in a certain area... What could possibly go wrong again?...


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Ummmm..... "What could possibly go wrong again?..." Well, given the positive genius of the human race, I really wouldn't want to bet "the farm" on nothing going wrong.... Maybe the house, horse, outhouse? but not "the farm" ;D

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Message 1881634 - Posted: 2 Aug 2017, 14:05:28 UTC

The AMD Threadripper does tear upon the IT scene!


Threadripper Lands August 10, AMD Unveils Pricing, Accessory Kit, New Model

Threadripper lands on retail shelves on August 10 and pre-orders open tomorrow. AMD filled us in on additional details ... including an unannounced processor, a new accessory kit, and Threadripper's XFR frequencies and TDPs...

... AMD's halo Ryzen Threadripper 1950X model leads the charge with 16 cores and 32 threads, and the Zen architecture bristles with copious PCIe connectivity options for the entire lineup. More importantly, Threadripper sets the stage for a potentially lopsided fight between this $999 16-core flagship model and the similarly priced Intel 10-core i9-7900X.

Lower prices and less segmentation are music to enthusiast ears...

... The Threadripper 1950X naturally competes with Intel's Core i9-7900X, but it brings more cores, cache, and PCIe lanes to the battle. The Threadripper 1920X straddles the pricing line between the Core i9-7900X and the i7-7820X, which shows that AMD is taking advantage of the big $400 price gap in the Intel lineup. Shrewd move; Intel doesn't have a clear contender at this price point...

... AMD also provided a slide that outlines Threadripper's resource advantages relative to Intel's lineup. Overall, AMD's core, cache, and PCIe advantages are impressive. Although these factors don't always equate to better performance, they surely set a strong foundation...

... AMD contends that its 16-core 1950X offers considerably more efficiency than Intel's 10-core -7900X, but it will also be interesting to pit it against one of Intel's higher core count models. Those have yet to come to market, lending AMD the advantage of the highest core counts at launch...

... Intel has already begun to lower its prices in the face of stiffer competition, and as we can see in the chart, Intel has significantly reduced its pricing for high-end desktop models. If AMD generates enough sales, it's possible we could see further changes to Intel's pricing model...




An impressive launch!

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Message 1883185 - Posted: 11 Aug 2017, 16:43:12 UTC
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The AMD Threadripper is looking very good:


AMD Ryzen Threadripper 1950X Review

AMD's 16C/32T Ryzen Threadripper is likely the biggest processor release of the year, quite literally. And that's saying a lot, given the company's rapid-fire releases addressing almost every facet of the desktop market. Now AMD is attacking Intel's high-end desktop stronghold with up to 60% more cores, 36% more PCIe lanes, and 68% more cache than the comparably-priced Skylake-X models. AMD also doesn't hack and slash at its product stack by culling I/O, so the company offers the same connectivity, even on its least-expensive models...

... Much like the rest of its Ryzen line-up, AMD's Threadripper processors offer more cores than Intel at every price point. This time, however, we also get 64 PCIe 3.0 lanes (four of which are dedicated to the chipset) that outweigh Intel's [not yet available] 44-lane flagship Core i9-7980XE. ... AMD includes all 64 lanes with each of its three Threadripper models, whereas Intel reduces connectivity for Skylake-X processors below $1000...

... Threadripper features independent dual-channel memory controllers, one per die, that combine to provide quad-channel support with varying data transfer rates (outlined below) based upon memory configurations. The platform supports ECC memory and a functional limit of 256GB of RAM, though it can support up to 2TB of capacity as memory density increases...

... we're here for performance testing. Let's see if Threadripper lives up to the hype...

... [Overclocking, AMD shows] A real temperature of approximately 60°C serves as a great demonstration of why solder is superior to thermal paste. Intel's Core i9-7900X could have had so much potential if the company hadn't taken the easy way out...

... AMD’s mainstream Ryzen CPUs heralded the return of competition in the desktop processor market. Now, AMD brings the same Zen architecture and strategy to the high-end desktop, and we’ve already seen Intel’s reaction in the form of lower prices for its (still-pricey) Skylake-X line-up...

... Threadripper shines in our benchmarks written to exploit as many cores as you can throw at them. Threadripper outpaces the similarly-priced -7900X in rendering, encoding, and compression. As expected, it isn’t quite as nimble in lightly-threaded applications, such as decompression and portions of the Adobe suite. Those applications continue to favor Intel’s IPC throughput and frequency.

After the Ryzen launch, AMD was faced with the challenge of quickly maturing its motherboard ecosystem and convincing game developers to optimize existing titles for the new architecture. The company has met with success on many fronts in a relatively brief time... Those who need what Threadripper offers likely already know. And if that's you, we have to imagine you're elated to know there's an alternative to Intel's steep buy-in, particularly now that AMD is winning in benchmarks it hasn't won in a very long time.

Verdict

If you need Threadripper, you’ll know it. Heavy multitaskers, streamers, those who regularly use heavily threaded applications or have heavy PCIe requirements will all experience competitive performance. The recommendation comes with a caveat, though; if you’re looking strictly for the best gaming performance, you are better served with other alternatives [until optimized for Ryzen].





Indeed an impressive launch!

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Message 1883221 - Posted: 11 Aug 2017, 18:32:17 UTC

The review consensus all seem to point to a win for AMD and Ryzen Threadripper. Interesting also to see the good news picked up by the business focused media printings and outlets. Wonder if the share price will get a bump. Should have bought in at $2 a share back in February last year.
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