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Message 1870026 - Posted: 28 May 2017, 23:50:15 UTC

https://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/617/fermis-paradox
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Message 1870031 - Posted: 29 May 2017, 0:10:25 UTC - in response to Message 1870026.  

That was a great program. I really have a hard time believing there is no other life intelligent, at least on our level, out there in the unfathomable vastness of the universe(s).

There was a Twilight Zone episode where the main character in a strange world to him, asks, "Where is everybody?" My mother, during her final days, asked many times, "Where is everybody?" I believe she had some connection with another dimension while her mind was packing it's bags, and maybe no one was over on that other side, or maybe no one she could comprehend (yet).
The mind is a weird and mysterious place
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Message 1870367 - Posted: 31 May 2017, 20:00:46 UTC - in response to Message 1870026.  
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Hi, Mr. Miller.

Should tell that I happened to notice a couple of postings here in the past and a couple are quite interesting.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermi_paradox

I guess you mentioned this, but except or perhaps rather than not than being in my notes at all, suddenly this article in the Wikipedia became a better one and therefore worth reading.

If we perhaps could be left with the possible belief that we are as far away from the possible "truth" today, as when this project started up in 1999, then we probably are back at perhaps questioning a
couple of other things as well.

If president Carter once saw something he believed was a UFO, we probably should believe in such statement, regardless of what he saw.

Next, believe in a similar story about a president perhaps shaking hands with an alien and we either could believe in such a thing as well, or maybe not.

If this is the way science is supposed to work, namely telling a possible lie, while still sticking or adhering to the truth, we probably have the same story over again.

You know, an asteroid impact could come with a Bang, while a possible hidden agenda may not be visible at all.

If a given science always is supposed to be that in "white and black" because it should be such a Bang, then there is no reason at believing in such things as aliens at all, or at least any such story.

If the official message or statement from the Lab is that there still has been nothing found, then most likely there should be a thing to it.

Should tell that I mentioned both the Ice Age and that of Stone Age man here in the past, because we could make perhaps a couple of things that of either a Controversy, or maybe that of a
Conspiracy instead.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controversy

In my opinion there should still be a difference between that of a Controversy and a that of a Conspiracy, because the latter may be about a possible intention of carrying out an act for which there may be
no logical explanation for.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_theory

If for one thing a possible act of Evil could next mean "Lord gives and takes", or perhaps "Lord is my Shepherd" for such a thing, because an absolution should be an excuse for possible sins, then we are back at the
possible human factor and not necessarily at the way nature is supposed to be working.

Compare with both that of the Mandelbrot set and also the Julia set and we could perhaps give an explanation for this by that of Mathematics.

The only similar resemblance in nature could be that of galaxies and clusters of galaxies making up possible "Filaments" with also that of voids in between.

My guess is that those people being part of the Church still are better to explain that of God than perhaps science.

Either it becomes two different explanations, or perhaps opinions and if not so, that of science could perhaps end up using two tongues when it comes to this.

For now it may at least be assumed that any chances of intelligent life should be based on that of Probability, but next make it either that of an asteroid impact, or perhaps rather a Conspiracy,
the fact is that as a human civilization, we are still present on this Earth.
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Message 1870492 - Posted: 1 Jun 2017, 4:54:19 UTC - in response to Message 1870031.  

That was a great program. I really have a hard time believing there is no other life intelligent, at least on our level, out there in the unfathomable vastness of the universe(s).

And Ira checks in with Dan Werthimer, chief scientist for SETI–the Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence–at Berkeley. (15 minutes)

But American life?
Enrique Fermi was an Italian.
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Message 1871385 - Posted: 6 Jun 2017, 1:04:05 UTC - in response to Message 1870492.  
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But American life?
Enrique Fermi was an Italian.


After picking up his Nobel prize in 1938 he went to the U.S. rather than returning to Italy, applied for permanent residency, and became a citizen as in 1944 which was the earliest he could do so by law.
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Message 1871415 - Posted: 6 Jun 2017, 3:54:34 UTC
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He did immigrate to the USA in 1938, became a US citizen and stayed here til he died in 1954. So he was part of American life
Ooops Mr Kevvy I didn't see your post.
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Message 1871421 - Posted: 6 Jun 2017, 4:41:19 UTC - in response to Message 1871385.  
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But American life?
Enrique Fermi was an Italian.

After picking up his Nobel prize in 1938 he went to the U.S. rather than returning to Italy, applied for permanent residency, and became a citizen as in 1944 which was the earliest he could do so by law.
I didn't know that.
But it's funny that so many Italians are into science.
And very good at it.
Well. Leonardi da Vinci and Galileo Galilei comes to mind.
Laura Bassi, Carlo Rovelli, Carlo Rubbia, Evangelista Torricelli, Francesco Maria Grimaldi and many more.

Must be the olive oil:)
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Message 1874920 - Posted: 25 Jun 2017, 0:06:16 UTC - in response to Message 1871421.  

Hey! the Romans had a great Empire for a very long time--some of the greatness is still extant.
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Message 1874948 - Posted: 25 Jun 2017, 5:51:15 UTC
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Fermi had started a physics center in Rome which persisted after his departure because his wife was a Jew and Mussolini had launched the infamous "leggi razziali". They were called "i ragazzi di via Panisperna", after the Rome street where the center was located, which is now a Physics Museum. I have personally known one of them, Emilio Segre', also a Jew escaped to USA, when I published a book of his at Mondadori. Fermi's legacy was carried on by Edoardo Amaldi, one of the Founding Fathers of both CERN and ESA, who refused all invitations by American institutions because he wanted Europe to remain a player in the physics arena. Besides being a nuclear physicist, he made the Istituto Nazionale di Fisica Nucleare to start searching for gravitational waves and now it supports the Virgo interferometer in Cascina, Pisa, which is a joint Italian/French project. Now ESA has decided to build and launch the LISA three space vehicles interferometer, after NASA has abandoned the project. It will launch in 2034, so I won't see it.
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