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Message 1863203 - Posted: 23 Apr 2017, 13:06:26 UTC

I´m just wondering how many people have upgraded to win 10.
Since i`m planning to upgrade to Ryzen during this year, i would like to know how many peops are running win 7 on it.

Motherboard Crosshair VI Hero
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RAM no idea yet.

I also want to install Linux Mint on it.

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Message 1863217 - Posted: 23 Apr 2017, 14:33:55 UTC - in response to Message 1863203.  

Mike, I considered trying to run any new Ryzen build on Win7 since there is a way to get the installation drivers onto the install media. A bit tedious but doable. Then the news dropped about how MS is actively shutting off updates for any Win7 PC that is using Ryzen, so I am relegated to go to Win10. If you are going with Linux Mint that won't be an issue.

I also suggest that you start reading (intimidating at over 1000 pages so far) the threads over at Overclock.net. Seems like there are quite a few individuals running Win7 and Ryzen. I would search the messages for Win7 content and then buttonhole those people that are running Win7 and shoot then PM's for questions.

General Ryzen thread

ROG VI Hero specific thread
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Message 1863250 - Posted: 23 Apr 2017, 17:02:05 UTC

Thanks Keith.

I don`t worry about updates at all.
I just install security updates manually.
AMD just released device driver 17.10 for Ryzen and those are for win 7/8/10.
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Message 1863266 - Posted: 23 Apr 2017, 18:13:10 UTC

I posed this one over in the "win 10 - yea or nay?" thread: User-made patch lets owners of next-gen CPUs install updates on Win7 and 8.1.

It involves running a script that modifies a file that basically tells the update client that it IS a supported system, and then you can get updates. I have not tried it yet, since I don't have Ryzen myself.
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Message 1864378 - Posted: 28 Apr 2017, 19:58:42 UTC
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I run Windows7 on a Asus Prime B350M-A and Ryzen 1700.
I had to use a PS/2-Keyboard, since no USB was detected.
I also had to deliver the USB-drivers during the installation process (via SATA) because i was booting the DVD from a USB-DVD-Drive.

The installation of all necessary drivers was endless with lots or reboots.
The disabled (security) updates by MS might be a problem...

After about 3 days of run time the system hangs and after reset i can read "windows7 was shut down unexpected" in the Log (Ereignisanzeige)
Maybe its because of the beta status of the mainboard.

Windows10 was as easy to install like Ubuntu17.04: boot from CD, start installation and after some minutes it was finsihed and could be used, all drivers were included.
The problem with Ubuntu17 is only, that there is no AMDGPU-pro driver available, so i will use nvidia.

PS: For the RAM you will find an overview of working combinations on the green planet, the thread started some days ago and will grow. ;)
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Message 1864414 - Posted: 28 Apr 2017, 22:55:04 UTC

This new RAM discussion thread is only a few days old too. Not too long now to keep up with compared to the original threads which are over 11,500 posts long now.

official-amd-ryzen-ddr4-24-7-memory-stability-thread
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Message 1864917 - Posted: 1 May 2017, 0:36:19 UTC - in response to Message 1864414.  

This new RAM discussion thread is only a few days old too. Not too long now to keep up with compared to the original threads which are over 11,500 posts long now.

official-amd-ryzen-ddr4-24-7-memory-stability-thread

11500 posts!...

Is Microsoft THAT FAR behind the times and new technology?!...


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Message 1864923 - Posted: 1 May 2017, 1:05:44 UTC - in response to Message 1864917.  

11500 posts!...

Is Microsoft THAT FAR behind the times and new technology?!...
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WTF are you going on about?
The Ryzen memory problems have nothing to do with any OS; just the motherboard manufacturers, memory manufacturers & AMD having issues with each other.
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Message 1865337 - Posted: 3 May 2017, 11:48:17 UTC - in response to Message 1864923.  
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11500 posts!...

Is Microsoft THAT FAR behind the times and new technology?!...
?
WTF are you going on about?
The Ryzen memory problems have nothing to do with any OS; just the motherboard manufacturers, memory manufacturers & AMD having issues with each other.

Eeeeeeeee---Oooops!

Quite right, I got that one wrong... WRONG THREAD!!! Ooops. (Even Humans can multitask worse than Wondows sometimes... ;-) )


To clarify, there is much to be gained from the hardware and BIOS settings to get the external memory (RAM) timings right. There is much discussion about that at the moment... With various dud benchmarks and silly jumps in timings dependent on the BIOS.

And then separately there is the Ryzen CPU architecture with two "CCX" blocks that have their separate groups of CPU cores connect through L1 - L2 - L3 cache and then through the on-chip memory controller. This is only a problem/slowdown if the OS scheduler knows nothing of the NUMA split and throws threads around in too frequent random abandon...

I believe there is now a patch for the Windows scheduler to reduce non-optimal scheduling... Called "Game mode"?... Mmmm...


Other positive comments:

Interestingly, AMD have made their L3 cache a "victim" cache that exchanges data between the L2 and L3 caches. Rather neat and a potential performance boost despite the extra complexity. Also that should be more easily scalable for adding more cores.

And the NUMA scheduling was long ago a standard part of the Linux SMT scheduler from long ago. Microsoft are very welcome to copy that.


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Message 1865387 - Posted: 3 May 2017, 16:39:28 UTC - in response to Message 1865337.  



And then separately there is the Ryzen CPU architecture with two "CCX" blocks that have their separate groups of CPU cores connect through L1 - L2 - L3 cache and then through the on-chip memory controller. This is only a problem/slowdown if the OS scheduler knows nothing of the NUMA split and throws threads around in too frequent random abandon...

I believe there is now a patch for the Windows scheduler to reduce non-optimal scheduling... Called "Game mode"?... Mmmm...

Happy fast crunchin',
Martin

There is no Windows scheduling problem. AMD says there is not and so do the motherboard support staff. That was a 'red-herring' early on because an outdated, old version of Coreinfo was used to probe the NUMA architecture of Ryzen. The program has been updated to show that all Ryzen cores and NUMA nodes are identified correctly.

There is a new Windows Power Plan available in the latest Ryzen drivers that installs Ryzen Balanced Power Plan. This prevents Windows from core-parking (supposed) unused cores when it shouldn't. This prevents any penalty in CCX communications and allows Ryzen to show its true performance.
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Message 1876662 - Posted: 3 Jul 2017, 21:05:43 UTC
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My Ryzen sytem is running now.

Ryzen 7 1800X
Crosshair VI Hero
16 GB Gskill 3200 CL 14
AMD R9 380 Tonga

Only Linux for now but the rest will follow.

I have to say it was so easy to get Mint 18 working on this system.
I just updated the kernel to 4.10 yesterday and all i had to do was updating GPU drivers.
Today i just booted into Mint and everything was running just fine.

M$

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Message 1889363 - Posted: 12 Sep 2017, 1:52:54 UTC - in response to Message 1876662.  

Looks like AMD has released Driver set for Windows 7. So if you want a threadripper running on Windows 7, here you go....
https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/830385-official-amd-ryzen-threadripper-windows-7-chipset-drivers-available-so-newer-amd-cpus-are-officially-supported-with-windows-7/
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Message 1889365 - Posted: 12 Sep 2017, 2:16:44 UTC - in response to Message 1889363.  

I had a very STRONG suspicion that this would be the case in the end. After all, Threadripper is targeted at enterprise level computing and I don't think Windows 10 has ever been on the radar. The fact that the chipset level drivers apply to Ryzen R7 is just probably an unintended consequence but logical since Threadripper is made out of top binned R7 dies.
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Message 1891623 - Posted: 24 Sep 2017, 7:43:55 UTC
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I also upgraded to Ryzen R7-1700 recently, Win10 and no issues so far.

I know that AMD AVX implementation is not so good as Intel, so using a SSE3 v8 app.

Wondering are there any plans for AMD Ryzen/Threadripper optimized apps in the near future, considering so much different architecture from Intel?
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Message 1891625 - Posted: 24 Sep 2017, 8:08:10 UTC - in response to Message 1891623.  

I also upgraded to Ryzen R7-1700 recently, Win10 and no issues so far.

I know that AMD AVX implementation is not so good as Intel, so using a SSE3 v8 app.

Wondering are there any plans for AMD Ryzen/Threadripper optimized apps in the near future, considering so much different architecture from Intel?

That's a mistake. You should be running the AVX app. It is much faster than the SSE3 V8 app. Your computers are hidden so I don't know what platform you are on. There is the Lunatics r3330 AVX app for Windows under the Anonymous platform and there is either the AVX or SSE4.1 app for Linux under the Anonymous platform.

Ryzen REALLY likes AVX code pathways. It might not be as fast as Intel but it no slouch and better than SSE3. Ryzen is much faster than the older FX processors. I usually cut 45-60 minutes off the calculation time of the same task type compared to my FX systems. You should crunch the BLC tasks in 45-60 minutes with your 1700. The Arecibo tasks in 75-90 minutes.
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