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Message 1859911 - Posted: 7 Apr 2017, 1:45:00 UTC

OK - I swore that recently this one was discussed in the "Phone scam from India..." Thread, but as I go back there and look, the few posts that discussed this seem to be gone, now.

Just got a call from a Telemarketer named Emily. (If that's her real name.) The number had to be Caller ID Spoofed; as it came across as a Local Number to Danville, CA. I say this, because she claimed to be marketing for a resort in Orlando Florida. She insisted I had stayed at another related resort some time in the past. (COMPLETE BS, as I've NEVER been to a resort of ANY kind in my life.)

I tried to break into her spiel but, her voice kept going without pause. I remembered the posts recently in the "Phone scam from India" Thread stating that a woman caller pretending to have a problem with her headset and trying to get potential victims to say "yes" at some point during the spiel. I never even got to that... I kept trying to interrupt her and state that I've NEVER been to a resort in my life. But, as the spiel went on and on, I felt as if I wasn't being heard; possibly true, if this is a recorded announcement. I never said "yes" to anything.

Please be aware of this scam. If you hear someone stating she's adjusting her headset, and then introduces herself as Emily, HANG UP IMMEDIATELY!


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Message 1859914 - Posted: 7 Apr 2017, 1:56:50 UTC

You did right. Here is a news story about that call.
Can you hear me?
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Message 1859918 - Posted: 7 Apr 2017, 2:03:33 UTC
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My solution is that I simply NEVER answer the phone unless the caller ID shows it to be somebody I know.
Everything else is handled by that answering machine.
And more likely than not, the scammers don't even utter a word once they realize they don't have live 'bait' on the hook.
I get calls with the caller ID spoofed with some random number prefixed with my area code.
Like they think I am gonna be more likely to answer with a 'local' number pinging. And they probably are right, some folks would.
Not me.

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Message 1859919 - Posted: 7 Apr 2017, 2:07:20 UTC
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I like to play with them if its a person. Last few calls I answered "Attorney General Office". They hang up on me? Oh and the number of calls is dropping fast.
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Message 1859944 - Posted: 7 Apr 2017, 3:58:18 UTC

OK - Just spent the last 2.75 Hours contacting my Credit Card Companies. AMEX and Capital One are monitoring my accounts, and Citi - COSTCO Card allowed me to Lock the card for the next few days. (Yes, I'm an EXTREMELY PARANOID frakker!!!)

Like I said in the first post, I'm sure, (99.99%), that I did NOT say "Yes" to anything; but, even contacted Danville PD, (per the KTLA 5 Article), and told the police officer the Spoofed Number that came in, the Spiel, that I'm quite sure that I did NOT say "Yes" to anything. They are making a report about this, they were aware of the scam, but NOT to the effect that the scammers are recording responses from the victims trying to record "Yes" from them.

Danville PD says that if any Fraudulent Charges come across any of my accounts, they will give me a copy of the full report to back me up and get my CC Companies to reverse the Fraudulent Charges.


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Message 1859953 - Posted: 7 Apr 2017, 4:17:29 UTC

If there are recording it, I bet the best thing to do is go into full scream mode.
I need the line for an emergency!
They are shooting them!
The bodies are piling up!
Oh my god he shot another one!
Where are the police!
We need a dozen ambulances!
He is getting more ammunition!
He's kicking in another classroom door!
Is that a bomb?

When they play it back they just might give themselves away.
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Message 1859954 - Posted: 7 Apr 2017, 4:23:42 UTC

Have had this call. She gets half way through her spiel and gets to hear my reply. CLICK, as I hang up on her.

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Message 1859978 - Posted: 7 Apr 2017, 6:30:37 UTC

no number = no answer
unknown number = no answer
I let the call ring out rather than give them the pleasure of knowing they've dialed a live line.
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Message 1859983 - Posted: 7 Apr 2017, 6:48:37 UTC - in response to Message 1859978.  
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no number = no answer
unknown number = no answer
I let the call ring out rather than give them the pleasure of knowing they've dialed a live line.


Rob's right , surprised people are still getting caught out coz it's been going on for ages here . If they " got " you it's your fault for being so stupid easy as that !
They are " claiming " to be a call blocking company for the last few weeks in the U.K , sure you across the pond will soon be getting those calls so have fun :-) .
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Message 1859991 - Posted: 7 Apr 2017, 7:45:26 UTC - in response to Message 1859944.  

I have to say TL that half of this seems to be your own fault. Why did you hang on for so long trying to get a word in edgewise? it should have been obvious it was a scam call in a few seconds.

Just spent the last 2.75 Hours contacting my Credit Card Companies. AMEX and Capital One are monitoring my accounts, and Citi - COSTCO Card allowed me to Lock the card for the next few days. (Yes, I'm an EXTREMELY PARANOID frakker!!!)

I think you did right to alert the police, but it does seem to me that you have caused yourself considerably more trouble than the call did in the first place.
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Message 1859992 - Posted: 7 Apr 2017, 7:54:04 UTC - in response to Message 1859991.  

I have to say TL that half of this seems to be your own fault


Half ? you're being very generous there . Anybody with any sence would of hung up the phone , not try to get a word in . If they scam you you've only got yourself to blame .
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Message 1860011 - Posted: 7 Apr 2017, 10:14:36 UTC

Oh, if she could perhaps be the "funny" lady of sorts, such a thing would not have to be about that of (possible) numbers at all.

Grin.

Why not perhaps say or tell such a thing as "helterskelter" instead, because this word probably would need an interpretation on its own.

Anyway, putting or placing a dash in between, making it helter-skelter, makes it possible interpretable.

Dang.

So, what about the rest of it?

Ding-dang, sing a song.
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Message 1860015 - Posted: 7 Apr 2017, 10:30:08 UTC

Morning Knut.
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Message 1860017 - Posted: 7 Apr 2017, 10:38:02 UTC - in response to Message 1859991.  
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I have to say TL that half of this seems to be your own fault. Why did you hang on for so long trying to get a word in edgewise? it should have been obvious it was a scam call in a few seconds.


As I found out, this may be the only way to get rid of them forever. I went from getting several a week sometimes twice a day to not one in three years by deliberately wasting their time, pretending to be interested, going up to the progressively more expensive tiers (with better English), patiently letting them finish their spiels. At the end they asked for my credit card number; I feigned connection issues and hung up.

I did this three times and never got another call. Their margins are very tight due to having a very poor hit:miss ratio, so do likely track and probably even share the numbers of time-wasters to avoid. Nothing else (threats, Do Not Call lists, legal action) works as they are in a different continent.
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Message 1860022 - Posted: 7 Apr 2017, 11:00:32 UTC

...and in many cases the automatic dialer runs though a range of number until somebody picks the call up, it then transfers the call to a human or to the call-hold mechanism if no human is available. These systems have no "knowledge" of do-not-call lists, and are quite simple in their logic. Recently one of them dialed our office, starting with the lowest number and worked its way through all our numbers. One colleague decided to have a bit of fun, and nearly sold the caller a car as we struggled not to laugh too loudly (he'd put the call on speaker so we could enjoy the conversation); once the call was broken, the next number in the office rang, and the conversation was resumed with the words "Now about this car you want to buy from me" and "click" from the call centre.
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Message 1860027 - Posted: 7 Apr 2017, 11:14:49 UTC

All these call centres on this side of the pond are based in Eastern Europe and the far east, They are beyond UK legal jurisdiction. The host countries get paid good money to host them as do their telephone and Internet companies. Next these call centres must make a profit else they wouldn't be in business. So there must be some fools out there somewhere.

Why anyone wastes their personal time winding them up is beyond me. One of the extra incomes that they get is selling on lists of phone numbers that get answered live to other call centres. The others won't know which if any are time wasters. Auto diallers are the usual form these days, before connecting to a live person.

I use a simple answering m/c on loud speaker so I can monitor any call coming in. My friends and family know to say "Hi Chris it's XYZ here can you pick up please". If I'm out or it is nobody I know they can leave a message to call backat my discretion I did use to say "This line is monitored by Scotland Yard, they now know where you are, you will receive a visit shortly from your local police". Can't be bothered any more.
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Message 1860037 - Posted: 7 Apr 2017, 12:27:06 UTC - in response to Message 1859944.  

I did NOT say "Yes" to anything


if any Fraudulent Charges come across any of my accounts


Even if you inadvertently said the word yes during the call, you didn't give them your account numbers, so I don't understand why you would be worried about that.
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Message 1860039 - Posted: 7 Apr 2017, 12:37:34 UTC - in response to Message 1860037.  

I did NOT say "Yes" to anything


if any Fraudulent Charges come across any of my accounts


Even if you inadvertently said the word yes during the call, you didn't give them your account numbers, so I don't understand why you would be worried about that.


I believe that reading the link, they target people who's details they have already obtained by other nefarious means.
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Message 1860043 - Posted: 7 Apr 2017, 12:45:28 UTC - in response to Message 1860037.  
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Yes I have to agree with you Gordon, but TL has already given us the main reason why he is so concerned. It matters to him to have these extra measures of assurance that his accounts are secure. If lessons have been learned for the future than it hasn't been a waste of emotional energy.

(Late edit as another relevant post was made)

I believe that reading the link, they target people who's details they have already obtained by other nefarious means.

Not sure I gleaned that from the link but quite possible.
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Message 1860048 - Posted: 7 Apr 2017, 13:12:34 UTC
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I usually hang up within the first few words, as soon as it's obviously a telemarketer (scam or not). The other day, I answered one and put it on speaker, but my hands were too busy to hang up. It was one of those claiming my credit looks good but they can help me lower my interest rate (you know it's a scam because they never mention what bank you have a card with or any other specific details). It wanted me to push 1 to talk to them or 2 to not get any more calls (yeah, right). I didn't push anything and it hung up fairly quickly.

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I keep pretty close watch on all my accounts, so if anything happens I don't expect, I know about it within a few days and challenge it quickly. And for all my lack of fondness for Bank of America, I must say they have good fraud detection. Multiple times, I have gone to train shows and tried to buy things from out of state vendors, only to be declined. I finally learned to wait for BoA to send me a text listing the last 3 attempted transactions. I respond with confirmation of them and they remove the block while I'm standing there. They also caught a real fraud within minutes.
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