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Message 1863221 - Posted: 23 Apr 2017, 14:49:12 UTC

The problem with stopping Kim from causing harm by force, may cause the death and untold suffering of millions. I would not want to be living in South Korea or Japan if we decided to stop the violence against others.

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Message 1863227 - Posted: 23 Apr 2017, 15:10:23 UTC - in response to Message 1863221.  

The problem with stopping Kim from causing harm by force, may cause the death and untold suffering of millions. I would not want to be living in South Korea or Japan if we decided to stop the violence against others.

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And that is the six million life question.
Is it possible to bring him down without scrificing millions of innocent lives?
One has to weigh the millions of innocents he shall sacrifice in his own honor if we do nothing.
Where is the balance?
I do not confess to know the answer.
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Message 1863234 - Posted: 23 Apr 2017, 15:34:48 UTC - in response to Message 1863221.  

The problem with stopping Kim from causing harm by force, may cause the death and untold suffering of millions. I would not want to be living in South Korea or Japan if we decided to stop the violence against others.

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And that is the question. How many innocent die if military action is taken?

I find such slaughter of innocents rather repugnant. Apparently there are some who post here who wish to do so with glee in their hearts.
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Message 1863248 - Posted: 23 Apr 2017, 17:01:32 UTC - in response to Message 1863243.  

Would a military decision. If not 100% successful (1 or more Atomic Bombs not destroyed). Which could be transported on an 'Ox Cart'. Also threaten millions.

Captain obvious, yes it would.
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Message 1863259 - Posted: 23 Apr 2017, 17:49:14 UTC

The fact is, I am ready to die.
Most of the rest of the human race is not ready to die by the whim of a self supporting ruler of kings , as he supposes himself to be.
So, the rest of the world just stands by and waits for his next bowel movement?
No, I think we nuke him now, before he gets bolder.
And that is not a rhetorical statement.
I think we go and bomb Kung Foo Chow right now, this instant.
Take him out of the gene pool.
And I do realize that this means taking out a few million of his faithful with him.
I am not ignorant of that fact.

I also am not ignorant of the pain and suffering he shall bring upon those who happen to survive his regime every moment he is left alive.
The greater good would be served by taking him out as soon as possible.
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Message 1863270 - Posted: 23 Apr 2017, 18:25:53 UTC

Regime change to force your moral code upon others.

Didn't learn a damn thing from Vietnam ...
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Message 1863275 - Posted: 23 Apr 2017, 18:46:32 UTC - in response to Message 1863270.  

Regime change to force your moral code upon others.

Didn't learn a damn thing from Vietnam ...

... therein lies the problem

Which is the lesser evil? Blondie or Ping Pong?
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Message 1863276 - Posted: 23 Apr 2017, 18:48:32 UTC - in response to Message 1863275.  
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Regime change to force your moral code upon others.

Didn't learn a damn thing from Vietnam ...

... therein lies the problem

Which is the lesser evil? Blondie or Ping Pong?

Equal, the evil being forcing upon others.
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Message 1863277 - Posted: 23 Apr 2017, 18:52:04 UTC - in response to Message 1863259.  

I also am not ignorant of the pain and suffering he shall bring upon those who happen to survive his regime every moment he is left alive.
The greater good would be served by taking him out as soon as possible.

I find it to be very wrong that those who have never seen war up close are so eager to enter into a war.
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Message 1863312 - Posted: 23 Apr 2017, 21:14:10 UTC - in response to Message 1863277.  

I also am not ignorant of the pain and suffering he shall bring upon those who happen to survive his regime every moment he is left alive.
The greater good would be served by taking him out as soon as possible.

I find it to be very wrong that those who have never seen war up close are so eager to enter into a war.

You are somehow misquoting me.
I have never been in armed combat. Thankfully, that is true.
But, you cannot take that as meaning I do not reaalize what war is.
I lost friends in that war. True, real companions who were old enough to serve, my friend.
Men who went to war and never came back.
Your dismissal of me simply because I myself did not die in the conflict is ignorant at best.
And totally pisses me off at it's worst.

I survived the vietnam conflict by the grace of god not having placed me there.
And yet I consider it one of the worst conflicts that mankind has inflicted upon itself.

Does that make it clear enough for you, Gary?
I do hope that it does.
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Message 1863319 - Posted: 23 Apr 2017, 21:29:44 UTC - in response to Message 1863316.  

I also am not ignorant of the pain and suffering he shall bring upon those who happen to survive his regime every moment he is left alive.
The greater good would be served by taking him out as soon as possible.

kittyman...

I am not 100% sure about that.

But I am 100% sure that you have more humanity and ethics than anyone who compares Kim and Trump as equals. Excuses Marxist Murderers. Defends the tramping of our Freedom of Speech, Freedom of Association, etc.

They are the Enemy of Our Freedoms.

kittyman...

Don't take their inner darkness attack against you as a negative.

Nazi, KKK, Progressive, Marxists, et al attacks. Just means you have greater Morality and Ethics, than they do.

Just because I am
German by birth does not make me Hitler.
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Message 1863339 - Posted: 23 Apr 2017, 22:04:12 UTC - in response to Message 1863319.  

Just because I am German by birth does not make me Hitler.

Of course not.
And Hitler was an Austrian by the way.
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Message 1863362 - Posted: 23 Apr 2017, 23:12:47 UTC - in response to Message 1863339.  

Just because I am German by birth does not make me Hitler.

Of course not.
And Hitler was an Austrian by the way.

Facts seldom matter, what does matter is how he feels.
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Message 1863540 - Posted: 24 Apr 2017, 22:35:25 UTC - in response to Message 1863535.  

Clyde I don't make things up.
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Message 1863553 - Posted: 24 Apr 2017, 23:33:12 UTC - in response to Message 1863362.  
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Just because I am German by birth does not make me Hitler.

Of course not.
And Hitler was an Austrian by the way.

Facts seldom matter, what does matter is how he feels.

Wait a minute.
Kittyman has German ancestors named Saddlemaker. What's wrong with that?
So do I. About 300 years ago Mr Frick came to Sweden.
He was a Tailor but changed his name to Nils Matsson.
https://sok.riksarkivet.se/Sbl/Presentation.aspx?id=14470
Do I feel like a German. Not Really:)

Oh Trump has also German ancestors:)
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Message 1863557 - Posted: 24 Apr 2017, 23:51:44 UTC - in response to Message 1863553.  

Just because I am German by birth does not make me Hitler.

Of course not.
And Hitler was an Austrian by the way.

Facts seldom matter, what does matter is how he feels.

Wait a minute.
Kittyman has German ancestors named Saddlemaker. What's wrong with that?
So do I. About 300 years ago Mr Frick came to Sweden.
He was a Tailor but changed his name to Nils Matsson.
https://sok.riksarkivet.se/Sbl/Presentation.aspx?id=14470
Do I feel like a German. Not Really:)

Oh Trump has also German ancestors:)

But do any of them, like I do, a 100% English gentleman, have a German birth certificate?
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Message 1863559 - Posted: 25 Apr 2017, 0:15:47 UTC - in response to Message 1863557.  

Just because I am German by birth does not make me Hitler.

Of course not.
And Hitler was an Austrian by the way.

Facts seldom matter, what does matter is how he feels.

Wait a minute.
Kittyman has German ancestors named Saddlemaker. What's wrong with that?
So do I. About 300 years ago Mr Frick came to Sweden.
He was a Tailor but changed his name to Nils Matsson.
https://sok.riksarkivet.se/Sbl/Presentation.aspx?id=14470
Do I feel like a German. Not Really:)

Oh Trump has also German ancestors:)

But do any of them, like I do, a 100% English gentleman, have a German birth certificate?

A 100% English gentleman?
Are you sure?
I'm quite certain that you have some other genes.
Like Scot, Wales and even Scandinavian Genes:)
No needs for birth certificate.
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Message 1863566 - Posted: 25 Apr 2017, 0:46:29 UTC - in response to Message 1863559.  

Only native Briton, Anglo-Saxon (fathers side) and Norman (mothers side) genes found.
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Message 1863569 - Posted: 25 Apr 2017, 0:50:00 UTC - in response to Message 1863566.  

Only native Briton, Anglo-Saxon (fathers side) and Norman (mothers side) genes found.

Yes. Normans also know as Norsemans. Hehe:)
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Message 1863570 - Posted: 25 Apr 2017, 0:54:11 UTC - in response to Message 1863569.  

Only native Briton, Anglo-Saxon (fathers side) and Norman (mothers side) genes found.

Yes. Normans also know as Norsemans. Hehe:)

More like northern French genes, from area conquered by the Norsemen.
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