misled, lied to, hoodwinked, bamboozled, taken for a proverbial ride, etc etc etc.

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#resist

I am willing to bet the replacement place wouldn't ever get enough votes because plain and simple it's not as good as what we have right now. That and you still have the healthcare lobbies out there who aren't going to easily accept smaller pools of customers...

There is a replacement plan that would get the votes of the American people to pass. Bernie care. The people would love that. The oligarchs would spend their entire fortunes to prevent it.

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I am willing to bet the replacement place wouldn't ever get enough votes because plain and simple it's not as good as what we have right now. That and you still have the healthcare lobbies out there who aren't going to easily accept smaller pools of customers...

There is a replacement plan that would get the votes of the American people to pass. Bernie care. The people would love that. The oligarchs would spend their entire fortunes to prevent it.

And, guide me.
What in simple facts and numbers, are the differences between the two proposals?

I am asking, not instigating. And I dislike you so much, Gary, that I am asking because I wish to be educated
I am a manic/depressive, and do not connect with real life too well.

Could you possibly, in simple terms, what the news is about regarding the health care issues?

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"Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster

I am willing to bet the replacement place wouldn't ever get enough votes because plain and simple it's not as good as what we have right now. That and you still have the healthcare lobbies out there who aren't going to easily accept smaller pools of customers...

There is a replacement plan that would get the votes of the American people to pass. Bernie care. The people would love that. The oligarchs would spend their entire fortunes to prevent it.

+ a whole lot and even more

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So, why are you a Trump supporter?
As he wants to cut health care so he can give tax cuts to the rich.

I think that I was mislead.

Thank you for that.

I do support many of his platforms.
I think he has gone wrong on this one.

I do think that if you look at some of his other plans, that you will have been misled on those as well.
Trump said he was going to deport the "criminal" illegals as his 1st priority, but why are some "good" illegals being deported. This is the latest, i have seen, Trump supporter thought president would only deport ‘bad hombres.’ Instead, her husband is being deported.

Months later, Roberto Beristain — a successful businessman, respected member of his Indiana town and father of three American-born children — languishes in a detention facility with hardened criminals as he awaits his deportation back to Mexico, the country he left in 1998 when he entered the United States illegally.
Caught in the middle of the fiery political clash are people like Roberto Beristain — people who have built a successful life inside the confines of the fuzzy legal limbo in which they exist. Supporters say the 43-year-old has never broken the law and doesn’t have so much as a parking ticket on his record. The mayor of South Bend, Ind., the conservative community that the Beristains call home, called him “one of its model residents.”
Beristain — who has a Social Security card, a work permit and a driver’s license — was expecting to return home to his family and business. Instead, he was taken into custody, setting off a last-ditch effort by family members and lawyers to free him. Thus far, those efforts have failed. Family members told the Tribune that ICE officials had informed them that Beristain would be deported Friday.
Beristain came to the United States in 1998 to visit an aunt in California, but he decided not to return to Mexico, according to the Tribune. He would go on to marry, start a family and put down roots in Indiana, where he is the owner of a popular restaurant called Eddie’s Steak Shed, which employs 20 American citizens, advocates told The Washington Post. He has worked at the restaurant for the past eight years and bought it from his sister-in-law in January.

There is also a threat in NC that the food industry will collapse without "illegals".
From field to truck to plate: how undocumented workers feed a city

It’s not impossible that food in a restaurant in Charlotte, North Carolina could have involved undocumented workers at every stage of processing – and that deporting them would seriously hurt the whole industry

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I am willing to bet the replacement place wouldn't ever get enough votes because plain and simple it's not as good as what we have right now. That and you still have the healthcare lobbies out there who aren't going to easily accept smaller pools of customers...

There is a replacement plan that would get the votes of the American people to pass. Bernie care. The people would love that. The oligarchs would spend their entire fortunes to prevent it.

And, guide me.
What in simple facts and numbers, are the differences between the two proposals?
Could you possibly, in simple terms, what the news is about regarding the health care issues?

Read it for yourself from Bernie Sanders' site. https://berniesanders.com/issues/medicare-for-all/ This way there is no misinterpretation.

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After failing on health care The Don is now blaming the Neighbours from Hell and hanging Paul Ryan out to dry to cover up his own failures. LOL

The celebs are happy though. :-)

Now let's see if he does any better with his so called tax reforms.

Cheers.

Now let's see if he does any better with his so called tax reforms.

Remember per SCOTUS Obamacare is a tax!

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So, why are you a Trump supporter?
As he wants to cut health care so he can give tax cuts to the rich.

I think that I was mislead.
I do support many of his platforms.
I think he has gone wrong on this one.

kittyman...

We may disagree about many issues. But...

You are one of the very few in these threads with a nuanced position regarding who you support, and why.

Very very intelligent and understanding you are.

And I thank you for that kind compliment.

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"Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster

We'll see who has egg → face in the mid-term elections

U'mm Trump's Camp still has not got the joke .. it's over Bro people understand how the system works , so if I was Trump don't do a Tony Abbot Or you will be a lame duck Scrotus and not SCOTUS

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Basically Trump has screwed himself so far both left, right and center.

No wonder that his popularity is dropping like a stone into his own slime.

Cheers.

President Donald Trump pulled ‘Trumpcare’, or the American Healthcare Act (AHCA), late last week, before it could even be voted on.

Why? Because to do otherwise would have shown the overwhelming lack of support the President’s health care reform bill had. Losing this vote would have been a massive blow to the self-professed deal-maker — so canning it once he realised he didn’t have the numbers seemed like the logical move.

But, let’s be honest, pulling his reform bill has pretty much the same effect.

The bill is largely a smokescreen for House Speaker Paul Ryan’s hard-on for reforming Medicaid, a program that 70 million poor Americans depend on for their healthcare.

The rest was hastily put together, and thrown out to the vote at the tender age of two-and-a-half weeks. 123 pages in total (seven of which were dedicated to special rules and conditions ensuring lottery winners weren’t ever given access to free healthcare).

It also contained the foundation for billions in tax cuts for the ultra-rich, and handed back power to the insurance companies, who already make billions in profit each year...
So it all boils down to making the greedy rich richer and the poor poorer.

Cheers.

So it all boils down to making the greedy rich richer and the poor poorer.

Therefore, both sides. Either in their support of the present ACA, or Ryan Care. Are idiots, or worse.

Doesn't anyone understand that an Intelligent Undergraduate with Common Sense. Could come up with a better Plan, than these two bozo sides.

Why are we forced to support either side?

You mean 1 side the right wing side . Uncontrolled Capitalism

There is a middle ground only in America you are so greedy you can't see witch party is the middle ground as you all ways jump to the Reds Under the Beds when more moderate polly's are elected and then turn them into lame Ducks and whine why what ever policy is finally given the ok , doesn't work because it's ben deliberately sabotaged for the benefit of only a few , who by the way don't pay taxes , pay under minimum wage , rip people off by going bankrupt and are the Bankers of organised Crime ..

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Why are we forced to support either side?

Because of your left/right posts on Seti where those are the only two choices you offer. You have so much invested in them that you are unwilling to see that they are failure. So you continue to throw good money after bad and dig the hole ever deeper, because it is all you have ever known. Enjoy the slavery of the oligarchs.

If you want something that works go orthogonal to your failed line.

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It wasn't a question but a statement seeing as the Right wing are so against Governments owning anything or proposing that the Government own it

Uncontrolled Capitalism is what you have with your health care system it's 100% private and you can't do diddly about fixing it as you can't tell private company's what to charge .
And your system is so against governments having company's to keep the Bastas honest.

It's you total rejection of government owning anything as the Government is evil and waste full and become monopoly's that distort the market and the belief that only the market can fix the problems . This is what Uncontrolled Capitalism is

Funny how so much of America was built on Government money . Wonder how them private company's would have ever got so big without all that Government cash coming to them .

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Rich Americans live up to 15 years longer than poor

Health insurance system – the most expensive in the world – is worsening situation, researchers find, arguing healthcare should be treated as human right

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As you have no health insurance, you may use the Free Market's gift of the Tort to sue the driver who drove over the sidewalk and hit you. Once this is done, we will then treat you. We do understand that they drove away and there were no witnesses and the police are unable to locate them so this may take quite a while, so until then, please apply pressure to the wound to prevent blood loss as we don't wish to lose a potential customer. That advice will be $282.50 due immediately. Please pay now so that we don't have to damage your credit rating.

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"Dear Hit and Run Victim,

Your standing on the street corner waiting to cross the street was a result of poor life choices. Real people only travel in SUVs, limousines or private jets, and are not pedestrians.

As you have no health insurance, you may use the Free Market's gift of the Tort to sue the driver who drove over the sidewalk and hit you. Once this is done, we will then treat you. We do understand that they drove away and there were no witnesses and the police are unable to locate them so this may take quite a while, so until then, please apply pressure to the wound to prevent blood loss as we don't wish to lose a potential customer. That advice will be $282.50 due immediately. Please pay now so that we don't have to damage your credit rating.

Regards,
Natural Law Medicine"

Well, apparently you are not familiar with the law, at least the law in Texas.

Most (maybe all) Hospitals have to give you life-saving care, by law, regardless of your ability to pay.

I understand the point you are trying to make, but seriously...

Medical care for accidents is one thing...

But, why should everyone else have to pay for your medical care due to your own Bad Life Choices (smoke, drink alcoholic beverages, don't get enough exercise, don't eat right, get fat, etc.)? You COULD have not done those things, and saved everyone else a large chunk of $$).

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https://youtu.be/iY57ErBkFFE

#Texit

Don't blame me, I voted for Johnson(L) in 2016.

Truth is dangerous... especially when it challenges those in power.

I understand the point you are trying to make, but seriously...

Medical care for accidents is one thing...

Yes, it was farcical, but a projection of free market medicine to its absolute limit.

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