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bobby Send message Joined: 22 Mar 02 Posts: 2866 Credit: 17,789,109 RAC: 3 |
I think Mr kevvy is 1/2 right at least about Russia China and Nth Korea but the other so call secular states aren't really secular even if we tell our self's they are . I didn't have to, nor did I, say "God" when I swore the I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ... |
Darth Beaver Send message Joined: 20 Aug 99 Posts: 6728 Credit: 21,443,075 RAC: 3 |
Yes I just did hehehehe It was written back in 1900 I think when all the states became a federation not that it really means much if the poms ask us to join them again in another war there not going to get the same response they got back in ww1 or ww2 after Gallipoli campaign things changed and we don't do what mother England says anymore , back then we where sheep now not so much . Now if only the Pm would tell that annoying country that keeps getting us involved with there wars to go and jump I would be very happy . Maybe when we get some of our own Nukes we can tell them to Hiss off :) |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30608 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
whereas in the U.S. about 90% identify as religious.Somewhat less now http://www.pewforum.org/religious-landscape-study/ 22.8% claim none. |
Mr. Kevvy Send message Joined: 15 May 99 Posts: 3776 Credit: 1,114,826,392 RAC: 3,319 |
Somewhat less now http://www.pewforum.org/religious-landscape-study/ 22.8% claim none. Thanks... that is quite a large change from what I remembered a few years ago. (Also that is from Pew and they can't be said to be biased in that direction either.) |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
Although Sweden is one of the most secular countries are there in any case, one thing that most Swedes believe in: waste separation. In the United States and Southern Europe people go to church on Sundays. In Sweden you fill the station wagon with waste and drive to the recycling station. The difference is not as great as it first sounds. You feel you are doing something good, you atone for your sins . Under recent years, demands for orthodoxy has sharpened. |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
Irish comedian Dave Allen tells a series of religious jokes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYXenjpefNU |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24877 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
When ethical and moral people, finally toss their hate into the toilet of history. We can then have a real discussion to solve our problems. Can't be that moral or ethical then, can they? |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24877 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
When ethical and moral people, finally toss their hate into the toilet of history. We can then have a real discussion to solve our problems. You're the one that needs to explain. Explain the first line on this post (the one quoting you). |
bobby Send message Joined: 22 Mar 02 Posts: 2866 Credit: 17,789,109 RAC: 3 |
When ethical and moral people, finally toss their hate into the toilet of history. We can then have a real discussion to solve our problems. Looks like the question being raised by Sirius is how can an ethical and/or moral person have hate to toss in the first place? If a moral and/or ethical person can have hate, how moral or ethical are they? If a moral and/or ethical person cannot have hate, then they have none to toss. Either way, the line Sirius is highlighting might need some further explanation. I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ... |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24877 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
When ethical and moral people, finally toss their hate into the toilet of history. We can then have a real discussion to solve our problems. Unless my comprehension has gone whacko, those are two different statements. You really do need to cease projecting your beliefs on to others. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24877 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Either way, the line Sirius is highlighting might need some further explanation. Nobody is attacking you Clyde, just the stupidity you post. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24877 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Either way, the line Sirius is highlighting might need some further explanation. What argument? This thread is regarding my country's shame, which to this day is still continuing because the state is still stuck up the ass of the church to a degree. WHO mentioned Nazi's, kkk, et al & what do they have to do with Ireland? |
bobby Send message Joined: 22 Mar 02 Posts: 2866 Credit: 17,789,109 RAC: 3 |
When ethical and moral people, finally toss their hate into the toilet of history. We can then have a real discussion to solve our problems. It seems to me that by questioning CLYDE's statement, he takes it as meaning you disagree with his view that moral and/or ethical people must toss hate, which in turn means that you do not believe hate must be tossed, which in turn means you value hate ... That CLYDE has no evidence to support any of these allegations doesn't really matter to him or apparently the mods, because he's found a way to make such accusations without arising their attention. It's a simple trick: CLYDE: A = B Other poster: Why do you believe A = B CLYDE: Why do you think A != B? (if you don't believe A != B, then you wouldn't question my earlier A = B statement, thus you must be a hateful A != B type person) Other poster: Why do you accuse me of being hateful? CLYDE: A = B ad infinitum .. I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ... |
Mr. Kevvy Send message Joined: 15 May 99 Posts: 3776 Credit: 1,114,826,392 RAC: 3,319 |
2. The US is a country which does not "respect" any one religion but was formed on the basis of "the Law's of Nature" and "Nature's God." ... The phrase "the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God" does appear in the Declaration of Independence, but this is not a legal document. An influential one to be sure, but has no actual legal standing. The formative document with supreme legal standing is the Constitution. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24877 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Well when one has retired, one has to do something with their time :-) |
John Neale Send message Joined: 16 Mar 00 Posts: 634 Credit: 7,246,513 RAC: 9 |
When ethical and moral people, finally toss their hate into the toilet of history. We can then have a real discussion to solve our problems. I think that the "their" in CLYDE's first statement was referring to the beliefs of the groups mentioned in the preceding sentences (i.e. the "Left" and the "Right"). CLYDE's sentence construction is often awkward (two examples: he quite often punctuates sentences with full stops, as seen in the quote above; and he makes frequent use of inappropriate capitalisation), which can lead to misinterpretation. That said, my question for CLYDE is: please explain how the hate-filled beliefs of anyone be "tossed into the toilet" by others who are not them? I consider myself moral and ethical - I really do! - but I have no idea how I could possible take some radical nut-job's core beliefs and "throw them away", unless I entered the dystopian realm of A Clockwork Orange, which would render me ... decidedly amoral and unethical! |
bobby Send message Joined: 22 Mar 02 Posts: 2866 Credit: 17,789,109 RAC: 3 |
The OP of this thread posted a veiled "hate" message (by posting a link only with no comment attached) for religion by pointing out an organization which did something against their doctrine--therefore implying all religion is hypocrisy. Umm, then we read a different article. The person doing the investigation used ireland's Freedom of Information act to review government documents relating to a care home. You might notice that I plus oned Sirius's comment about the marriage of Church and State ... Couple of points... "run from" is implied where? 2. The US is a country which does not "respect" any one religion but was formed on the basis of "the Law's of Nature" and "Nature's God." We didn't start off saying anything implying this would be absolutely banned from all government. We started off with the idea that "to each his own with respect to your GOD", and we acknowledged there are some *commonalities* among our beliefs. If I have made that claim, please find and post the link to it, claims are cheap, it's deeds that make the man. As for projection "run from"? You liberal/democrat/socialist/marxist/communists need to toss your hate into the toilet of history. Heh, I see the chemist of computer science has not given up on name calling (and yes, this statement is is intentionally ironic). I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ... |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24877 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
AH that may be true but peasant I am know that nails that stick out are hazardous. The 2 nails in this case that need hammering are "intellectual" "history professor". :-) Surely such an "intellectual" would understand comprehension & word their statements accordingly? |
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