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Message 1877353 - Posted: 7 Jul 2017, 22:49:01 UTC - in response to Message 1877349.  

We truly have bigger things to worry about in this great country of ours. Much, much bigger things.


Ditto.
Our obese leader with small hands doesn't think so, but his mission is to not have people look at the man behind the curtain.


I hear he was told "Go jump in the Gulf of Mexico"?
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I hear he was told "Go jump in the Gulf of Mexico"?
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Message 1877375 - Posted: 8 Jul 2017, 0:36:04 UTC - in response to Message 1877349.  

Our obese leader with small hands doesn't think so, but his mission is to not have people look at the man behind the curtain.

Another important factoid is that he is orange.
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Message 1877420 - Posted: 8 Jul 2017, 7:08:32 UTC - in response to Message 1877375.  

Our obese leader with small hands doesn't think so, but his mission is to not have people look at the man behind the curtain.

Another important factoid is that he is orange.


Trump is like the father of the dysfunctional family, promising much and ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS disappointing his children.
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Message 1877533 - Posted: 8 Jul 2017, 23:28:00 UTC - in response to Message 1877513.  

They say they are there to serve the people, but if you watch what they actually do when they get in office, all their decisions are based on self-serving needs.
Translation, they do what the voters who put them there want so they get re-elected.
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Message 1877547 - Posted: 9 Jul 2017, 1:01:03 UTC - in response to Message 1877533.  

They say they are there to serve the people, but if you watch what they actually do when they get in office, all their decisions are based on self-serving needs.


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Message 1877561 - Posted: 9 Jul 2017, 3:37:26 UTC - in response to Message 1877532.  

Colorado Secretary of State Wayne Williams is releasing publicly available voter information including full name, address, party affiliation and date the person registered, phone number, gender identity, birth year and voting history.


If you are so keen to have your data made public then why don't you publish your full name, address, party affiliation and date the person registered, phone number, gender identity, birth year and voting history, here.
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Message 1877580 - Posted: 9 Jul 2017, 8:52:24 UTC - in response to Message 1877561.  

Colorado Secretary of State Wayne Williams is releasing publicly available voter information including full name, address, party affiliation and date the person registered, phone number, gender identity, birth year and voting history.


If you are so keen to have your data made public then why don't you publish your full name, address, party affiliation and date the person registered, phone number, gender identity, birth year and voting history, here.


In most States, including Colorado, that info is publicly available... on a website... to ANYONE... But doing this will be rather, forgive the phrase, taxing on the States' computer systems.

Most of these States that I have looked into have offered to copy the parts of the Voter database that are publicly available and send it to the Commission, for (of course) the fee set by State law, just like they would do for anyone requesting it. ?Highest fee I have seen was US$27,000.00 for that entire State's voter list.

Note that this is ONLY the publicly available data.

Some of the requested data can not be released, by law.

In Texas this is handled by the County governments (remember, there are 254 different Counties in the State of Texas).

Here is the page for Harris County, Texas (includes the city of Houston).
https://www.hctax.net/Voter/Search

note the note on that search page:

Not All Voter Registration Information Available Online

SECTION 2. Section 13.004(d), Election Code, reads as follows:

The voter registrar or other county official who has access to the information furnished on a registration application may not post the following information on a website:

a telephone number;
a social security number;
a driver’s license or a number of a personal identification card;
a date of birth; or
the residence address of a voter who is a federal judge or state judge, as defined by Section 13.0021, if the voter included an affidavit with the application under Section 13.0021 or the registrar has received an affidavit submitted under Section 15.0215.



But wait, there is more:
Sec. 13.004. RECORDING AND DISCLOSURE OF CERTAIN INFORMATION BY REGISTRAR. (a) The registrar may not transcribe, copy, or otherwise record a telephone number furnished on a registration application.

(b) The registrar may transcribe, copy, or otherwise record a social security number furnished on a registration application only in maintaining the accuracy of the registration records.

(c) The following information furnished on a registration application is confidential and does not constitute public information for purposes of Chapter 552, Government Code:

(1) a social security number;

(2) a Texas driver's license number;

(3) a number of a personal identification card issued by the Department of Public Safety;

(4) an indication that an applicant is interested in working as an election judge; or

(5) the residence address of the applicant, if the applicant is a federal judge or state judge, as defined by Section 13.0021, the spouse of a federal judge or state judge, or an individual to whom Section 552.1175, Government Code, applies and the applicant:

(A) included an affidavit with the registration application describing the applicant's status under this subdivision, including an affidavit under Section 13.0021 if the applicant is a federal judge or state judge or the spouse of a federal judge or state judge;

(B) provided the registrar with an affidavit describing the applicant's status under this subdivision, including an affidavit under Section 15.0215 if the applicant is a federal judge or state judge or the spouse of a federal judge or state judge; or

(C) provided the registrar with a completed form approved by the secretary of state for the purpose of notifying the registrar of the applicant's status under this subdivision.

(c-1) The registrar shall ensure that the information listed in Subsection (c) is excluded from disclosure.

http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/Docs/EL/htm/EL.13.htm

Notice subsection (c) and (c-1) that I have underlined.

This information in (c), per (c-1) can NOT be disclosed, by Texas State LAW.

Oh, and that law has not been amended in over 4 years (last change took effect June 14th, 2013).

Beginning to get the picture?

Ok, I must disagree with many, both here and elsewhere. Voter Fraud IS a serious problem. Alas, it does not have a nice solution.

Let me go through the list again...

1. Status Quo. Do nothing. This is the most likely result, given that BOTH the Democrats and the Republicans engage in it with seemingly reckless abandon. You just rarely hear about it, since it is the best interests of the Democrat and the Republican Parties (though sadly NOT The People's) for the light of truth to be shown on that particular cesspool of US Politics.

2. The Federal government can try to Federalize the system, and take it away from the State governments. Four words to the Feds from the States... See you in court. The Federal Constitution does not really give the Federal Government much say in voter registration. It leaves that power to the several State Governments. The Court battle would take YEARS. State Government A.G.s sue the Federal Government in Federal district court... then after that, it would go to the Court of Appeals... Bounce around a bit back and forth... Then it would be off to the US Supreme Court... Maybe several times through the process... Trump's successor could be leaving office by the time that schizz finishes.

3. Go for a Constitutional Amendment. This won't happen. The State Governments (or at least a super-majority of them, 3/4 if I remember correctly) must approve the Amendment, and this Amendment would diminish State power and authority, so they will likely disapprove it, especially in light of at least 44 of the States blowing raspberries at the Kobach Commission. Even vice-chairman Kobach of that commission has publicly stated that he, in his capacity as Secretary of State of Kansas, could not release all the information.

4. About the ONLY way to get all of the information released would be a grass-roots campaign in ALL 50 States to modify their own laws, and on Congress to change THEIR laws, to allow this level of information sharing. Good luck getting this through in a timely fashion. How long did it take, for instance, Women's suffrage to get put into the US Constitution?

Well, lets see...

Mary Wollstonecraft's "A Vindication of the Rights of Woman" (it kinda started the ball rolling) was published in 1792...

The 19th Amendment to the US Constitution was ratified in 1920.

128 years, start to finish.

Now this would not take THAT long to happen, but my best guess would be 15 to 20 years, if ever.

And I say 'if ever' since by then Trumpus Minimus would be long out of office, and likely passed away, and I doubt the 'movement' could maintain a good head of steam after that, so you have til 2020, maybe 2024 to 'do something'.

George Washington wrote:
The alternate domination of one faction over another, sharpened by the spirit of revenge, natural to party dissension, which in different ages and countries has perpetrated the most horrid enormities, is itself a frightful despotism. But this leads at length to a more formal and permanent despotism. The disorders and miseries which result gradually incline the minds of men to seek security and repose in the absolute power of an individual; and sooner or later the chief of some prevailing faction, more able or more fortunate than his competitors, turns this disposition to the purposes of his own elevation, on the ruins of public liberty.

Without looking forward to an extremity of this kind (which nevertheless ought not to be entirely out of sight), the common and continual mischiefs of the spirit of party are sufficient to make it the interest and duty of a wise people to discourage and restrain it.

It serves always to distract the public councils and enfeeble the public administration. It agitates the community with ill-founded jealousies and false alarms, kindles the animosity of one part against another, foments occasionally riot and insurrection. It opens the door to foreign influence and corruption, which finds a facilitated access to the government itself through the channels of party passions. Thus the policy and the will of one country are subjected to the policy and will of another.

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Don't blame me, I voted for Johnson(L) in 2016.

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Message 1877582 - Posted: 9 Jul 2017, 9:39:52 UTC - in response to Message 1877580.  
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You say
Voter Fraud IS a serious problem
but every time I look at this problem, I cannot find it. And President Trump Says Voter Fraud Is a Huge Problem. A Top Republican Election Official Disagrees

So please show us where it is a serious problem.

I am not saying that there are some problems, mainly in the area of the voter data not being kept up to date. So that a lot of people are registered in more than one place and people are not being removed from the lists because of death or they have committed a crime and no longer eligible. But that is not proof of Voter Fraud or if you say it is, then read my previous and start at the top, with some of Trumps clan.

And it is reported that in the places where they have purged the lists, it is said they have removed many eligible voters for every ineligible one.
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Message 1877596 - Posted: 9 Jul 2017, 13:16:47 UTC - in response to Message 1877588.  

There're dozens of things here in the U.S. you can't do unless you show an ID card. You don't need an "ID card" in the UK to do anything, but you need to show "YOUR PAPERS" for many things. If it's *ism/*ist/*ic/*phobic for voting, why isn't it *ism/*ist/*ic/*phobic for all those other things? I'll tell you why... because voter fraud favors one political party over the other here in the U.S. and that political party has control of the media.

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Message 1877605 - Posted: 9 Jul 2017, 13:50:39 UTC

In Canada, we have a federal elections commission Elections Canada. It is run by all federal parties jointly to ensure it remains uncorrupted and non-partisan. Voting is done by registered, tracked, tamper-resistant paper ballots with serial numbers to prevent ballot stuffing, fraud, etc. No voting machines are permitted as they are "black boxes" which have been demonstrated in U.S. elections can be hacked and lose votes (sometimes in the thousands) with no notification. When the votes are counted the count is watched over and verified by a representative from each party. The completed tally is signed off by those representatives to show it was accurate. Thus we have very few issues/allegations of voter fraud, tampering, etc.

Even India, the world's largest democracy with about a billion voters, uses hand-counted paper ballots. It takes only three hours to tally the entire lot.

I also agree in contentious federal elections like the U.S. one that ID should be a requirement. If one needs to present ID to buy a beer then I don't see how voting should be exempt.
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Message 1877612 - Posted: 9 Jul 2017, 15:50:18 UTC - in response to Message 1877582.  

You say
Voter Fraud IS a serious problem
but every time I look at this problem, I cannot find it. And President Trump Says Voter Fraud Is a Huge Problem. A Top Republican Election Official Disagrees

So please show us where it is a serious problem.

I am not saying that there are some problems, mainly in the area of the voter data not being kept up to date. So that a lot of people are registered in more than one place and people are not being removed from the lists because of death or they have committed a crime and no longer eligible. But that is not proof of Voter Fraud or if you say it is, then read my previous and start at the top, with some of Trumps clan.

And it is reported that in the places where they have purged the lists, it is said they have removed many eligible voters for every ineligible one.


Voter Fraud not a serious problem? ROFLMAO

Proof:

Three rather infamous cases between WWII and the present:




https://youtu.be/iY57ErBkFFE

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Message 1877616 - Posted: 9 Jul 2017, 16:13:50 UTC - in response to Message 1877605.  

If one needs to present ID to buy a beer then I don't see how voting should be exempt.
I've never been asked to show ID to buy a beer. Last time I was asked to officially show my ID was when I was renewing it.

I remember back when I got the ID. I showed up with a birth certificate. They issued the ID to the name on the certificate. Could have been any name on it at all, they had no way of telling. And back then you didn't even have to give them a SSN.

This crap about needing ID to do all these things is BS. You don't need ID. You say who you are and where you live. Done.

BTW, showing ID won't even slow down the only voter fraud that can be caught, voting in two places in the same election. ID would match the roll of registered voters in both places. DUH!
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Message 1877652 - Posted: 9 Jul 2017, 21:44:48 UTC

Define "voting history".

Elections voted in?
Or votes cast in those elections?
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Message 1877656 - Posted: 9 Jul 2017, 22:40:22 UTC - in response to Message 1877652.  

Define "voting history".

Elections voted in?
Or votes cast in those elections?

Didn't know any place in the USA kept track of who you voted for in each contest. Must be one of those commie red counties.
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Message 1877665 - Posted: 9 Jul 2017, 23:09:59 UTC - in response to Message 1877605.  

In Canada, we have a federal elections commission Elections Canada. It is run by all federal parties jointly to ensure it remains uncorrupted and non-partisan. Voting is done by registered, tracked, tamper-resistant paper ballots with serial numbers to prevent ballot stuffing, fraud, etc. No voting machines are permitted as they are "black boxes" which have been demonstrated in U.S. elections can be hacked and lose votes (sometimes in the thousands) with no notification. When the votes are counted the count is watched over and verified by a representative from each party. The completed tally is signed off by those representatives to show it was accurate. Thus we have very few issues/allegations of voter fraud, tampering, etc.

Even India, the world's largest democracy with about a billion voters, uses hand-counted paper ballots. It takes only three hours to tally the entire lot.

I also agree in contentious federal elections like the U.S. one that ID should be a requirement. If one needs to present ID to buy a beer then I don't see how voting should be exempt.

The same paper system is also used over here Mr. Kevvy. ;-)

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Message 1877674 - Posted: 9 Jul 2017, 23:58:20 UTC - in response to Message 1877656.  

Define "voting history".

Elections voted in?
Or votes cast in those elections?

Didn't know any place in the USA kept track of who you voted for in each contest. Must be one of those commie red counties.


Is there any chance there's a district somewhere in the US that has kept track? Since 2006?
If not, then they're just looking for when we've voted?
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