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Message 1848265 - Posted: 12 Feb 2017, 5:04:02 UTC

(CNN)North Korea on Sunday test-fired a ballistic missile, an official in the South Korean Ministry of Defense told CNN.
It is the first missile test conducted by North Korea since US President Donald Trump took office.
"The South Korean government and the international community are working together to take punitive actions appropriate for this launch," acting South Korean President Hwang Kyo-ahn said.

Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe, who is visiting the United States, made a joint statement with Trump.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/11/asia/north-korea-missile/index.html
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Message 1848302 - Posted: 12 Feb 2017, 12:45:03 UTC
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President's Bush W, Obama and the Chinese leadership. May rue the day they didn't 'deal' with this problem earlier.
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Message 1848313 - Posted: 12 Feb 2017, 13:45:55 UTC

I don't see an easy solution to this.
A large fear of China has been the collapse of the NK regime.
This would mean a huge refugee influx into China, which they do not want.
That may well be what needs to happen, so perhaps that can be brought about in a controlled, planned for manner, rather than an immediate collapse due to some military action, or crippling sanctions by the Chinese. I agree that the situation is headed for a resolution one way or the other, and given that stability is the preferred outcome by those in the region, choices are few.

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Message 1848334 - Posted: 12 Feb 2017, 15:04:50 UTC

Another part of the problem is that when North Korea split, without a formal peace treaty, the only reason they could exist, was to say they were defending against the US. They have kept that up to keep legitimacy. If they lose that reason, then the north has no reason to exist. I wonder if the world welcomed them, and opened up trade and communication, how long they would last. Cuba is changing fast now that the US has opened up a bit. Everything I have seen with Cuba, suggests that the trend will continue. Of course Cuba welcomes the trade and openness, and North Korea and Iran fear it.

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Message 1848337 - Posted: 12 Feb 2017, 15:08:17 UTC - in response to Message 1848334.  

Another part of the problem is that when North Korea split, without a formal peace treaty, the only reason they could exist, was to say they were defending against the US. They have kept that up to keep legitimacy. If they lose that reason, then the north has no reason to exist. I wonder if the world welcomed them, and opened up trade and communication, how long they would last. Cuba is changing fast now that the US has opened up a bit. Everything I have seen with Cuba, suggests that the trend will continue. Of course Cuba welcomes the trade and openness, and North Korea and Iran fear it.

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Ask the people of Cuba, what they really believe about the Castro brother's.

The personally wealthy and enslaving Castro brothers are the problem.
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Message 1848345 - Posted: 12 Feb 2017, 15:25:29 UTC

Perhaps, but I don't see that continuing long term. I think the winds of change have started to whisper.

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Message 1848353 - Posted: 12 Feb 2017, 15:40:54 UTC - in response to Message 1848345.  

Perhaps, but I don't see that continuing long term. I think the winds of change have started to whisper.

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Perhaps Cuba will use the 'China Model'.
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Message 1848357 - Posted: 12 Feb 2017, 15:45:41 UTC

I think Cuba will discover its own model. One thing that differentiates it from North Korea and Iran is that it is not, nor wants to be a threat to anyone.

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Message 1848417 - Posted: 13 Feb 2017, 0:17:59 UTC - in response to Message 1848357.  

I think Cuba will discover its own model. One thing that differentiates it from North Korea and Iran is that it is not, nor wants to be a threat to anyone.

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Cuba... hmmm...

The Problem with Cuba (the way I see it now and remember it from then) was not that Cuba (in and of itself) was or wanted to be a threat. The Problem WAS that other nations that Cuba allied themselves with sought to use Cuba to be a threat to other nations.

Cuban missile crisis, anyone?

They were not Cuban missles with nukes... They belonged to Cuba's ally the USSR.

Now, I agree that this is NOT the case with the DPRK or Iran...
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Don't blame me, I voted for Johnson(L) in 2016.

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Message 1848418 - Posted: 13 Feb 2017, 0:28:26 UTC

It's also no longer the case in Cuba.
Things have started to change.
It won't happen overnight, but I do see the lives of Cuban citizens improving over the next few years.

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Message 1848421 - Posted: 13 Feb 2017, 0:33:53 UTC

Really my point was what would happen to North Korea if the world began to open up, and establish trade and communication. The government would have no reason to exist. It is the pretense of war that gives them that reason. It may be that North Korea will keep bringing the situation close to war, without crossing the line. They want to stay in power, and war would certainly be their demise.

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Message 1848424 - Posted: 13 Feb 2017, 1:00:13 UTC - in response to Message 1848421.  

Really my point was what would happen to North Korea if the world began to open up, and establish trade and communication. The government would have no reason to exist. It is the pretense of war that gives them that reason. It may be that North Korea will keep bringing the situation close to war, without crossing the line. They want to stay in power, and war would certainly be their demise.

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The 'Government' of North Korea is just a Murdering Stalinist type state. It exists because it will arrest and/or kill anyone it wishes.

It may last until its Leaders Death. Or it may not.
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Message 1848425 - Posted: 13 Feb 2017, 1:03:43 UTC

I agree completely. I certainly don't have solid answers. I know what we have been doing has not done much to deter the regime, or help the North Korean people. I am searching for a solution that does not involve a catastrophic war for many nations.

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Message 1848428 - Posted: 13 Feb 2017, 1:11:49 UTC - in response to Message 1848425.  

I agree completely. I certainly don't have solid answers. I know what we have been doing has not done much to deter the regime, or help the North Korean people. I am searching for a solution that does not involve a catastrophic war for many nations.

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I previous stated it was our last two Presidents who had their head in the sand.

One should also add President Clinton. With his disastrous belief that North Korea would comply with its agreement not to build Nuclear Weapons. In return, receiving much needed economic aid.

What do we do to stop, what I believe to a a terrified Leader, who posses Nuclear Weapons.. From doing something stupid.
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Message 1848430 - Posted: 13 Feb 2017, 1:22:43 UTC

That is at the heart of my concerns. I know things can be very difficult for many in the US, but no where nearly as difficult as they would be with a major military /nuclear confrontation. I prefer the problems we have now, to those created by such a huge crisis.

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Message 1852875 - Posted: 4 Mar 2017, 16:12:46 UTC - in response to Message 1848428.  

The thing that interests me about North Korea right now is the fallout from the death of Kim Jong-nam ... half-brother to Kim Jong-un. I read one article indicating that Jong-nam had been approached by people who wanted him to set up a "government in exile" for North Korea - something which is speculated to have led to his assassination. North Korea is such a closed society where not too much real news escapes. But I think there's a lot going on behind the scenes by people who are "unfriendly" to the current regime. A future coup perhaps?
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Message 1852882 - Posted: 4 Mar 2017, 16:27:46 UTC - in response to Message 1852875.  

The thing that interests me about North Korea right now is the fallout from the death of Kim Jong-nam ... half-brother to Kim Jong-un. I read one article indicating that Jong-nam had been approached by people who wanted him to set up a "government in exile" for North Korea - something which is speculated to have led to his assassination. North Korea is such a closed society where not too much real news escapes. But I think there's a lot going on behind the scenes by people who are "unfriendly" to the current regime. A future coup perhaps?

Or an increase of Kim's murder and enslavement?

Who knows.
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Message 1853477 - Posted: 6 Mar 2017, 14:58:01 UTC

Now even Russia starts to worry.
Kremlin says seriously worried about North Korea missile drills
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-missiles-russia-idUSKBN16D0Z0
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Message 1853515 - Posted: 6 Mar 2017, 18:05:20 UTC - in response to Message 1853477.  

Now even Russia starts to worry.
Kremlin says seriously worried about North Korea missile drills
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-missiles-russia-idUSKBN16D0Z0

Seems so. http://tass.com/politics/934239
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