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Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30608 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
I believe he thinks he does, or he wouldn't do so. Unfortunately there seem to be a lot of people who "think" that way. Sad commentary on the advancement of the human race.I'm telling you, if you libs keep shooting...Shooting at people or their property is already illegal. You don't have to drag politics or entire classes of people who have nothing to do with the incident into it. |
SciManStev Send message Joined: 20 Jun 99 Posts: 6651 Credit: 121,090,076 RAC: 0 |
There is a bit of irony in the travel ban from Muslim majority countries to keep us safe, when no terrorist from those countries have killed anyone on US soil, but 30,000 people a year are shot by our own citizens. Steve Warning, addicted to SETI crunching! Crunching as a member of GPU Users Group. GPUUG Website |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
There is a bit of irony in the travel ban from Muslim majority countries to keep us safe, when no terrorist from those countries have killed anyone on US soil, but 30,000 people a year are shot by our own citizens. Not really true. 9/11 comes to mind. But banning so many Muslims to travel to US because they are Muslims... |
SciManStev Send message Joined: 20 Jun 99 Posts: 6651 Credit: 121,090,076 RAC: 0 |
There is a bit of irony in the travel ban from Muslim majority countries to keep us safe, when no terrorist from those countries have killed anyone on US soil, but 30,000 people a year are shot by our own citizens. The 911 hijackers were not from the targeted travel ban countries. Most were from Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia is not included in the proposed travel ban. Egypt is also not on the list, and some of the hijackers came from Egypt. Steve Warning, addicted to SETI crunching! Crunching as a member of GPU Users Group. GPUUG Website |
Mr. Kevvy Send message Joined: 15 May 99 Posts: 3776 Credit: 1,114,826,392 RAC: 3,319 |
The Hate Filled Alt Left, the Democrat Party, and the Fake Media. In their attempt to invalidate a Constitutional and Lawful Election of a President. Well exactly the same thing happened when Obama was president as well, so please don't pretend any "side" is blameless or exempt. Did you forget the "birther" movement, of which Donald Trump was an activist for, which tried to deny Obama's U.S. birth thus his presidency? Perhaps your memory needs jogging of people putting his face on shooting range targets? Funny I didn't see you getting all bent out of shape over that "attempt to invalidate a Constitutional and Lawful Election of a President" then. If you don't like it, pass hate crime legislation and make political alignment a protected class. I don't think you want to do that. Until then, people will spew inflammatory political bile, the vast majority of lawful, non-violent people will disregard it, and a few radical nuts from the fringes of either "side" will think it's sacred scripture and act on it violently... same as it ever was. If it wasn't over politics, they'd be shooting people over chemtrails or sports scores. People are still allowed to defend themselves and the laws are all still in place to prosecute them, so exactly what changes are you proposing to "fix" this issue? |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
There is a bit of irony in the travel ban from Muslim majority countries to keep us safe, when no terrorist from those countries have killed anyone on US soil, but 30,000 people a year are shot by our own citizens. Isn't Saudi Arabia a terrorist country? For instance Bin Laden came from there. And they practice Sharia laws. The hard way! Even at Ramadan! |
SciManStev Send message Joined: 20 Jun 99 Posts: 6651 Credit: 121,090,076 RAC: 0 |
Yes, and that is part of the irony. We are trying to ban citizens from the countries that didn't harm us, and allow the ones that did. Of course there is a lot of money in arms sales and oil between the US and Saudi Arabia. Of course, regardless of which countries are affected by the travel ban, about 30,000 US citizens are shot every year by other US citizens. Steve Warning, addicted to SETI crunching! Crunching as a member of GPU Users Group. GPUUG Website |
Wiggo Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 34744 Credit: 261,360,520 RAC: 489 |
There is a bit of irony in the travel ban from Muslim majority countries to keep us safe, when no terrorist from those countries have killed anyone on US soil, but 30,000 people a year are shot by our own citizens. The fact of the matter is that Saudi Arabia has been financing terrorism for decades (at least), but some people/countries ignore this fact because they don't want their oil supply cut off and Saudi Arabia has pointed the blame at other Middle East countries that become richer/better than them in the past (Qatar gets the blame this time round). Cheers. |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
Of course, regardless of which countries are affected by the travel ban, about 30,000 US citizens are shot every year by other US citizens. As for me, an outsider, I think you should fear your countrymen more than the very few terrorists operating in the US. |
SciManStev Send message Joined: 20 Jun 99 Posts: 6651 Credit: 121,090,076 RAC: 0 |
Of course, regardless of which countries are affected by the travel ban, about 30,000 US citizens are shot every year by other US citizens. I agree 100%. Steve Warning, addicted to SETI crunching! Crunching as a member of GPU Users Group. GPUUG Website |
JaundicedEye Send message Joined: 14 Mar 12 Posts: 5375 Credit: 30,870,693 RAC: 1 |
Yes, and that is part of the irony. We are trying to ban citizens from the countries that didn't harm us, and allow the ones that did.Where was the outrage when Obama placed the same countries as Trump on restrictions? Oh, that's right, I forgot, the great eared God could do no wrong........ "Sour Grapes make a bitter Whine." <(0)> |
Wiggo Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 34744 Credit: 261,360,520 RAC: 489 |
Of course, regardless of which countries are affected by the travel ban, about 30,000 US citizens are shot every year by other US citizens. Exactly what I've been trying to point out to some here for a very long time now Janne, some of them just think that they should cling the the old "Wild West" attitudes that founded their country at all costs no matter what (that's the modern day self centered greedy barbarians for you). ;-) Sadly I can only see things getting a lot worse over there before we can hope that they'll get better. :-( Cheers. |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
Where was the outrage when Obama placed the same countries as Trump on restrictions? Does it matter now? Or should we bring the Bush and Bin Laden family connections up? |
Mr. Kevvy Send message Joined: 15 May 99 Posts: 3776 Credit: 1,114,826,392 RAC: 3,319 |
Where was the outrage when Obama placed the same countries as Trump on restrictions? The two are not really comparable. |
Mr. Kevvy Send message Joined: 15 May 99 Posts: 3776 Credit: 1,114,826,392 RAC: 3,319 |
You agree that the Never Trump movement, the Democrat Party attempting to subvert a Lawful Election, the Alt Left, et al. I go where the evidence leads, Clyde... Obama was the lawfully elected president as no good evidence was found leading to a lawful overturning of this, and Trump is the lawfully elected president as no good evidence has been found leading to a lawful overturning of this. This may change but until it does "innocent until proven guilty in a court of law" applies to everyone. I do strongly disagree with any political side even hinting or implying violence of any kind as a solution to their grievances, as this can set off unstable radicals and cause them to act, and it poisons civilized discussion. As long as there is none of that, I expect that each "side" will try to unseat the other in such a polarized political climate. I merely disagree that one side has some sort of a moral high ground that some of their supporters have engaged in it any less than the other! |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30608 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Fantastic, Republican Governor refuses to allow tax increase, state to declare bankruptcy! California had that problem for a few years, then they got rid of the Republican Governor, now balanced budget. Republican obstructionism has to end, they are the only party that refuses to compromise and believes a Pyrrhic victory is the best possible outcome. |
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janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
California has among the highest taxes in the nation. Its base sales tax rate of 7.5% is higher than that of any other state, and its top marginal income tax rate of 13.3% is the highest state income tax rate in the country. There are no free lunches. Somebody have to pay for wealth care, infra structure, military expenditure and many other things in a country. It may be by taxes or that you pay it for yourself when needed. The latter option doesn't work. |
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