Dull,
I don't hate Trump, I just think he is totally incompetent to be your President.
I hope for your sake and all Americans that he doesn't take all your money, lets you have some affordable health care, and most importantly gives ALL the children a decent education.
But the indications so far don't look good.

Have fun and keep healthy.

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Dull,
I don't hate Trump, I just think he is totally incompetent to be your President.
I hope for your sake and all Americans that he doesn't take all your money, lets you have some affordable health care, and most importantly gives ALL the children a decent education.
But the indications so far don't look good.

Have fun and keep healthy.

Nick: ID 666...

Trump is (fill-in the negatives). But...

It is the Democrats, who have controlled the USA's Education System in our 'Inner Cities' for Generations.

The Mess, which they always blame on others. Is their fault.

Where do you get your information from?
Because after doing a quick search, the indications, and I see very little disagreement between the sites, is that for all education, schools and college you are better served in the North East, mainly Democratic states.
And the worse states include South Carolina, Alabama, Louisiana and Mississippi, all very much Republican.

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Now I'm getting nervous:(
Conservatives begin to whisper: President Pence
With Trump swamped by self-inflicted scandals, Republicans find solace in the man waiting in the wings.
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/05/17/mike-pence-president-trump-238525

Just come and visit our "Inner City' Primary and Secondary Schools. Controlled by The Democrats.

Disregarding those who do not live or work in these neighborhoods.

Disregarding those who have not attended, instructed, or parented students in these Crime Ridden and Failed Schools.

Clyde a strong argument could be made that is the result of racial policies promulgated by HUD post WW II in order to satisfy the dixicrates . Witness the 7 Levittowns which HUD financed and mandated in the covenants "no integration". That created white flight to the suburbs and ghettos in the cities. Since then for the most part many parts of the cities have been ignored and that is what you get.

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When the Local, Non KKK, Democrats have had control of these Crime Ridden and Failed Schools. Include Crime Ridden Communities.

When they lack the economic resources because of Republican controlled State governments the locals are powerless. I look at Michigan, Pennsylvania, New Jersey to be case studies. I really find Flint Mi. to be classic.

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I really find Flint Mi. to be classic.

And Detroit of course.
Makes me wonder...

And Detroit of course.
Makes me wonder...

There is nothing to wonder about.

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And Detroit of course.
Makes me wonder...

There is nothing to wonder about.

Luckily you Americans have voted for the right man on the job.
Yes. I am talking of Trump from Karlstad.
God bless America.
It's gonna be great:))

When the Local, Non KKK, Democrats have had control of these Crime Ridden and Failed Schools. Include Crime Ridden Communities.

When they lack the economic resources because of Republican controlled State governments the locals are powerless. I look at Michigan, Pennsylvania, New Jersey to be case studies. I really find Flint Mi. to be classic.

I'll agree with that.
But I do think that in a lot of cases it is just the natural life cycle of cities and their communities.

Interesting that you should mention Flint, I have just been having a conversation on another site, where Flint was also mentioned. This time about one of it's more famous people, Kelly Johnson inhabitant of the Skunk Works.

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Interesting that you should mention Flint, I have just been having a conversation on another site, where Flint was also mentioned. This time about one of it's more famous people, Kelly Johnson inhabitant of the Skunk Works.

Michael Moore was born in Flint.

It is not economic resources.

That is the excuse the Non KKK Democrats use to explain the failure of their policies.

Clyde , as I have stated previously, economics is not your strong suit, it is mine.

Since the Democrat Frauds are the ones who are truly destroying the lives of the Inner City populations.

As I explained previously in this thread, that was started by HUD back in the early 1950's and continues with today's gerrymandered legislators, after all why would a suburban citizen wish to expend resources on the "city"?

BTW: Why would anyone tell the Inner City Parents, that the future of their children. Under a School Choice Voucher System. Understanding that their children are primary. Will not be allowed.

The Democrats tell these parents of these children to 'Drop Dead'. We must protect the Public Schools, not their children, at any cost.

School vouchers defund universal public education, it does not work for special needs students or the very poor who are left with even worse schools, look at Michigan as a case study.
Clyde, you need more objective data and less bias. I realize it is hard to see the world from under a bridge.

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A combination of School Vouchers (to help our children), and an increase in Special Education Classes (to help our children), May be the Intelligent, Non Ideological, Non Destructive way to proceed.

Yet again, you have the oddest views on things of any self-titled atheist I have ever encountered.

Most of the others realize that charter schools have been one component of a fundamentalist end-run around that pesky old Constitution that prohibits public funding of religion. The first step is to consistently vote in candidates that defund public education. Once it's sufficiently bankrupted and the quality of education inevitably suffers, start complaining about how bad it is and offer private (aka religious) schools as an alternative. Then bring in vouchers which divert taxpayer money from public schools into those private religious ones.

The end result of this is that taxpayers are forced to pay for the religious indoctrination of children into religions that they may personally not be a part of and may disagree with strongly. And of course this comes with the expected baggage: historical revisionism, creationism and denial of other science (ie climate change and the age of the universe) "taught" to children, discrimination based on religion and sexual orientation, etc. This is of course unconstitutional, and at least two states' supreme courts have found charter schools to be so. This is another reason why the "religious right" is hoping that SCOTUS will be packed with as many "conservative" judges as possible, so that charter schools won't be overturned at the federal level.

Charter schools don't even solve the problem they were supposedly created to solve; in Michigan and Louisiana, for example, charter school students perform lower than other states' public school students on average on standardized math and science tests. This doesn't seem to bother their proponents, of course.

So how, as an atheist, can you support them? Would it not be better to properly fund religiously neutral public schools for everyone to fix the problems they are having?

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What do School Vouchers and Special Education Classes. Have to do with Atheism?

This.

Do you not think that these vouchers are going to support religious schools?

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If they help The Children. Remember them? Who are in situations which usually leads to failure.

Who, but a person who doesn't care about these children's future. Would care.

Yet charter schools have been demonstrated to underperform others academically. So how does this help them or prevent "failure"?

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What exactly would you tell the 'Inner City' parents, whose children may have only one shot at success. And can't afford, for the future of their children. To wait years to see if your beliefs will work:

Sorry?

No... I would tell them "I apologize that your schools have been so poorly funded recently with the funds diverted to suburban and private schools. Here is the funding you require." :^p

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Throwing more, and more, and more money at their Failed Public School System.

I don't believe I said that "throwing money" was the solution. Proper funding must also be well-spent of course. If there is a problem with the schools, it can be fixed. If it isn't being fixed and the funds are available, it's because it isn't wanted to be fixed.

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The Democrats telling some parents, that their children's future is less important than...

Is OK? My answer is... No.

Clyde How can you make this up? Please cite anyone saying :

that their children's future is less important than...

A combination of School Vouchers (to help our children), and an increase in Special Education Classes (to help our children), May be the Intelligent, .

That requires funding at levels that don't exist and state legislators in Republican controlled states won't go there. Your pie in the sky proposal has no chance.

Non Ideological, Non Destructive way to proceed

Ideology has every thing to do with it. The rural and suburban Republicans will not do anything to address the problems of the mostly Democrat urban areas, especially if they have large minority populations.

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Non Ideological, Non Destructive way to proceed

Ideology has every thing to do with it. The rural and suburban Republicans will not do anything to address the problems of the mostly Democrat urban areas, especially if they have large minority populations.

Tea Republicans insist on holding them back and keeping them down, because they are terrified they might be better and take the job away from a WASP.

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Non Ideological, Non Destructive way to proceed

Ideology has every thing to do with it. The rural and suburban Republicans will not do anything to address the problems of the mostly Democrat urban areas, especially if they have large minority populations.

Tea Republicans insist on holding them back and keeping them down, because they are terrified they might be better and take the job away from a WASP.

Yes Gary, self serving economics has a lot to do with it. As I see it, Clyde does not seem to believe in economic determinism, that's a very strange attitude for a self proclaimed historian.

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Toomas Hendrik Ilves should be a very great #46:)
Growing up in New Jersey not far from Trump from Karlstad in Bronx and Queens.
Too late I guess...