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Message 1841872 - Posted: 13 Jan 2017, 13:47:08 UTC - in response to Message 1841864.  

So therefore the US constitution is null and void because organisations can write and enforce contracts that override it.
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Message 1841877 - Posted: 13 Jan 2017, 14:15:43 UTC - in response to Message 1841872.  

So therefore the US constitution is null and void because organisations can write and enforce contracts that override it.


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Uhh.. no.

The Constitution does NOT grant rights to the People. They already have them. The Constitution restricts Government's authority to take away the rights.

For the most part, contracts between individuals or groups of individuals are perfectly free to contain restrictions on either or both parties' rights. It is what contracts ARE... restrictions on rights, voluntarily agreed to by both sides.
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Message 1841878 - Posted: 13 Jan 2017, 14:16:32 UTC - in response to Message 1841864.  
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IMHO the term 'credit card' is used interchangeably with 'debit card' as long as said debit card carries a major card name, i.e. Visa, Mastercard etc.

A card purchase does not necessarily have to have anything to do with credit or a loan. Debit cards function the same way as credit cards, except that the money is drawn directly from your account (either via direct debit which is basically an EFT and doesn't include the credit card company at all, or as a non-credit purchase (still called 'credit' at the checkout terminal) that still goes through the credit card company's system before being drawn from your account.

So, if they are not giving you a loan, do they still have a right to track your purchases?
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Message 1841885 - Posted: 13 Jan 2017, 14:31:06 UTC - in response to Message 1841884.  
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I guess I missed the answer to the question there. (I'm sorry as well)
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Message 1841892 - Posted: 13 Jan 2017, 14:40:56 UTC - in response to Message 1841891.  
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Clyde... No.

Also if you go straight to the bank and withdraw cash from your account, they keep records of that too.

Is that ok?
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Message 1841893 - Posted: 13 Jan 2017, 14:43:24 UTC - in response to Message 1841877.  

restrictions on rights, voluntarily agreed to by both sides

Yeah right, Mr Corner Shop is voluntarily agreeing, he has to agree if he wants to stay in business. That is not voluntary and we all know it.
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Message 1841897 - Posted: 13 Jan 2017, 14:50:11 UTC - in response to Message 1841895.  

Clyde... No.

What is the difference between going to an ATM with your Debit Card and withdrawing cash, and using the same Debit Card to pay for an item?

Are you saying The Bank doesn't have a right to keep a record of the transaction at the ATM or the Retail Store?


I'm asking YOU if YOU think they should have that right!

A yes or no could have saved so much time.
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Message 1841919 - Posted: 13 Jan 2017, 16:09:07 UTC - in response to Message 1841902.  

If you agreed to this, by accepting their Agreement.

Contract of adhesion.
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Message 1841922 - Posted: 13 Jan 2017, 16:18:18 UTC - in response to Message 1841872.  

So therefore the US constitution is null and void because organisations can write and enforce contracts that override it.

Yes/no. Contracts can't do things that are illegal, against law. So a lady of the evening can't go to court and enforce a contract requiring payment.
But the powers that be here may impose the rules at the left, even though the first amendment would not allow all of them.

The constitution, defines those areas that may be addressed with law. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marbury_v._Madison
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