Isn't it illogical that you can display a 'false' price for a commodity, and offer a discount that corrects the 'error', but you cannot display the correct price and say there is a surcharge if you use a credit card. And in a country that has free speech.

In Today’s Supreme Court Case, Freedom Of Speech Meets Your Wallet

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Isn't it illogical that you can display a 'false' price for a commodity, and offer a discount that corrects the 'error', but you cannot display the correct price and say there is a surcharge if you use a credit card. And in a country that has free speech.

In Today’s Supreme Court Case, Freedom Of Speech Meets Your Wallet

Unspoken in all this is the Master Credit Card Agreement that spells out the terms and conditions a merchant has. AFIK all the major credit card associations prohibit surcharge language contractually. Of course that is a civil matter, not a criminal one and the First Amendment only applies if the censor is the government.

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It goes to deceptive practice and false advertising. Looks like we are preserving the ability to do so !!

Given the fact that cards have a cost to the business, cash buyers are subsidising the card users purchases.

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Given the fact that cards have a cost to the business, cash buyers are subsidising the card users purchases.

Or the opposite as cash has costs of security, counting ...

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I see very little cash use today.

Especially in Big Box Stores, Supermarkets, Gas Stations, Starbucks, etc.

Cashless society soon?

Clyde I use a lot of cash because I want to minimize my footprint in the database.

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Given the fact that cards have a cost to the business, cash buyers are subsidising the card users purchases.

Or the opposite as cash has costs of security, counting ...

Gary that too is true, it is up to each business to figure that out. In my experience the cards charge less if a business has a large average transaction, think major appliances, a much higher discount rate for small ones, think burgers.
As an aside charging for a big mac seems a bit bizarre.

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Given the fact that cards have a cost to the business, cash buyers are subsidising the card users purchases.

Or the opposite as cash has costs of security, counting ...

Gary that too is true, it is up to each business to figure that out. In my experience the cards charge less if a business has a large average transaction, think major appliances, a much higher discount rate for small ones, think burgers.
As an aside charging for a big mac seems a bit bizarre.

Funny you mention big mac ... https://consumerist.com/2015/06/02/forcing-mcdonalds-workers-to-accept-wages-on-debit-cards-not-okay-in-pa-says-judge/

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Funny you mention big mac ... [url]https://consumerist.com/2015/06/02/forcing-mcdonalds-workers-to-accept-wages-on-debit-cards-not-okay-in-pa-says-judge/

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Gary that's not funny that's just plain immoral.

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Funny you mention big mac ... https://consumerist.com/2015/06/02/forcing-mcdonalds-workers-to-accept-wages-on-debit-cards-not-okay-in-pa-says-judge/

Gary that's not funny that's just plain immoral.

But it increases profits, it is so TRUMP! Fees and surcharges, turn everything into a ceaseless revenue stream.

OT-(It also is telling because it teaches about the bottom rung of the ladder. It is far underwater. It also puts a big lie into voter ID. MickeyDee's dang well uses e-verify so it isn't hiring illegals, but their employees don't have the needed ID to open a bank account to put a paycheck in, so they want cash. If they don't have that ID how are they going to have ID to vote, even though they are legal? They aren't, so their votes are suppressed just as their masters want.)

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Funny you mention big mac ... https://consumerist.com/2015/06/02/forcing-mcdonalds-workers-to-accept-wages-on-debit-cards-not-okay-in-pa-says-judge/

Gary that's not funny that's just plain immoral.

But it increases profits, it is so TRUMP! Fees and surcharges, turn everything into a ceaseless revenue stream.

OT-(It also is telling because it teaches about the bottom rung of the ladder. It is far underwater. It also puts a big lie into voter ID. MickeyDee's dang well uses e-verify so it isn't hiring illegals, but their employees don't have the needed ID to open a bank account to put a paycheck in, so they want cash. If they don't have that ID how are they going to have ID to vote, even though they are legal? They aren't, so their votes are suppressed just as their masters want.)

Yes Gary that is so Trump, he does have a decades long legacy of not paying his contracts in full.

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Yes Gary that is so Trump, he does have a decades long legacy of not paying his contracts in full.

He was/is a Capitalist. They are not, quite correctly, held to the same standard as Elected Officials, Teachers, etc.

As a member of the human race he as all should be held to standards of integrity otherwise we have anarchy.

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I'd gladly start carrying paper money again if there was an incentive to do so, whatever the wording(discount or surcharge) at the cash register, but I never see a sign for that, and it's so easy to offer my card, I rarely have more than $5 in my wallet anymore.

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The mind is a weird and mysterious place

OT-(It also is telling because it teaches about the bottom rung of the ladder. It is far underwater. It also puts a big lie into voter ID. MickeyDee's dang well uses e-verify so it isn't hiring illegals, but their employees don't have the needed ID to open a bank account to put a paycheck in, so they want cash. If they don't have that ID how are they going to have ID to vote, even though they are legal? They aren't, so their votes are suppressed just as their masters want.)

If the employees are legal, why don't they have the proper ID to open a bank account or vote?

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The mind is a weird and mysterious place

I'd gladly start carrying paper money again if there was an incentive to do so,

My incentive is a smaller footprint in the database.

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I'd gladly start carrying paper money again if there was an incentive to do so,

My incentive is a smaller footprint in the database.

I don't see what the big deal is about the database. Once you're in it, your feet are wet, but it would be interesting to see what would happen if everybody decided to start using cash again exclusively for a month.

I just haven't been anywhere locally that offers a discount for cash or imposes a surcharge for card usage.

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The mind is a weird and mysterious place

I don't see what the big deal is about the database.

It is no ones business what I purchase.

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I don't see what the big deal is about the database.

It is no ones business what I purchase.

Well, that's true, I agree.

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The mind is a weird and mysterious place

OT-(It also is telling because it teaches about the bottom rung of the ladder. It is far underwater. It also puts a big lie into voter ID. MickeyDee's dang well uses e-verify so it isn't hiring illegals, but their employees don't have the needed ID to open a bank account to put a paycheck in, so they want cash. If they don't have that ID how are they going to have ID to vote, even though they are legal? They aren't, so their votes are suppressed just as their masters want.)

If the employees are legal, why don't they have the proper ID to open a bank account or vote?

Because the laws on voter ID don't accept what is permitted to work, they want different more restrictive ID. They don't accept the long list that is on the I-9 Form.

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OT-(It also is telling because it teaches about the bottom rung of the ladder. It is far underwater. It also puts a big lie into voter ID. MickeyDee's dang well uses e-verify so it isn't hiring illegals, but their employees don't have the needed ID to open a bank account to put a paycheck in, so they want cash. If they don't have that ID how are they going to have ID to vote, even though they are legal? They aren't, so their votes are suppressed just as their masters want.)

If the employees are legal, why don't they have the proper ID to open a bank account or vote?

Because the laws on voter ID don't accept what is permitted to work, they want different more restrictive ID. They don't accept the long list that is on the I-9 Form.

Also, when one is poor, it's very hard to maintain things like a license or even non-driver ID. One may not have the money for a renewal, which could lead to their ID becoming invalid, which then leaves one stuck in a catch22 where they can't get issued a new ID because: they don't have proper ID...

It's easy to pinpoint people that have never known what it's like to be without.

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#resist