Bigger question is whether it really is necessary to run Windows 10 for Ryzen support. I haven't seen explicit information that this is really the case yet. Skylake is supposed to be only supported in Windows 10 yet there are Youtube videos showing Skylake processors running on Windows 7.

I have done research on this as well, and I posted my opinion/interpretation earlier on in this thread.

tl;dr: Ryzen *should* work just fine in 7 or 8.1. The caveat to doing so is that the kernel will not know which core(s) are running in turbo-speed, so a single-threaded task will not have its affinity locked to that core. Other 10-only features is the equivalent of Intel's SpeedStep (15ms frequency change versus ~100ms), and fine-grained clock gating (powering-down portions of the circuitry that are not needed to save power and heat.. such as shutting off the FPU on 6 of the 8 cores if the system is idle, etc).

As far as I could discern from various sites that have all pondered that "only win 10 is supported" quote, you'll still get 8c/16t, all of the L2 and L3, and full frequency just fine. It just looks to be those small features/tweaks that are only going to work in 10 (or the Linux kernel after about June 2016?..not sure of the exact build number, but I know it's been there for a while).

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Yes, I remember. I posted earlier in the thread about that too. It is still an unknown though without any explicit information so far because of the NDA's. There could still be some pitfall regarding compatibility that doesn't have anything to do with fine control over timings that Windows 10 enables. Hasn't been an issue with Skylake and Windows 7 so far in testing. As I stated earlier, I could care less. I'm going to take manual control over the clocking anyway.

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Yes, I remember. I posted earlier in the thread about that too. It is still an unknown though without any explicit information so far because of the NDA's. There could still be some pitfall regarding compatibility that doesn't have anything to do with fine control over timings that Windows 10 enables. ...

Zen/Ryzen is already supported by the recent Linux distros. If this is purely a number crunching rig, then Linux is a very good fast way to go.

For general use: Well hey! Enjoy the world of freedom and without the handicap of anti-virus!! :-P


"M2" storage has long been supported on Linux.

Note: Regardless of OS, with M2 you will see a speedup over even an SSD for general system responsiveness and you'll gain a faster boot-up time... However, for boinc you'll likely see no appreciable improvement over even just a HDD. For number crunching, spend your money instead on a faster GPU!


Happy faster crunchin' :-)
Martin
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*: This meaning of "free" is to mean "without". Not to be confused with "zero cost"...

The more important usage of "free" is to enjoy your own freedom to use your hardware and software as you wish... ;-)

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Ryzen has been released. Any early adopters?

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Ryzen has been released. Any early adopters?

I took a leap of faith and pre-ordered a 1700X and ASUS X370 Prime with 16GB Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4-3000CL15. Don't know when my AIO cooler bracket will show up though. I'll post to the thread when I get all the bits and have put the system together.

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Been reading through the reviews today. Consensus is that it isn't a very good overclocker. For gamers, no reason to change. For media encoding and scientific applications, most definitely the Ryzen should be on your short list. Plus, the 1700 and 1700X will likely overclock exactly the same as the 1800X, so save some bucks and just get the 1700. Or wait for the 1600X six core to become available at a very nice price point. Also, the reviewers state that the business applications and the science applications need updating to properly handle Ryzen. Point was made that the majority of applications have been optimized for Intel for the past 10 years since AMD processors weren't generally used. Some science application tests wouldn't even run. I guess it falls on our developers to write new apps that use all the capabilities of Ryzen. AMD also announced today that they are working closely with a lot of game developers to get them to implement optimization of their products with Ryzen.

Another point brought across with the product launch today is that the product seems rushed. Problems with early BIOS and using fast memory seems to be touched upon a lot. Not a lot of overclocking reviews either. Mostly because most of the reviews were done with the press release kits with general air cooling and memory. I did find some good reviews at Overclockers.com from forum members who bought retail hardware and assembled enthusiast systems as they usually would do. Generally, all you will get out of the 1800X for example is all 8 cores at right around 4 Ghz or a smidge above. Memory clocking was a challenge too. Nobody could get farther than 3.2 Ghz. Overvolting had very little effect because it seems the chip wants to manage clocks on its own. Temps at 4 Ghz on air were coming into the range the Intel chips usually are at for 14nm parts, around 82° C. One overclocked system on custom water was stable on all 8 cores at 4.025 Ghz fully loaded and never exceeded 61° C.

Performance matched or exceeded the Broadwell class of chips for almost all applications and games. KabyLake i7 7700K still held the upper hand in most tests except for multi threaded or science applications. AMD prices at half the Broadwell class chips for better performance. KabyLake not so much a price disadvantage especially if all you are concerned about is gaming. But with the forum members represented here more than likely interested in the Ryzen for distributed computing, the product is a lot more compelling.

Haven't seen any shipping information from Amazon yet. No idea when the CPU and motherboard will arrive. Seems that if you wanted product today you needed to walk into a Microcenter in person. Disturbing reports from UK residents that their pre-orders have been cancelled. So wonder if AMD and the motherboard vendors were asleep at the wheel in anticipating the demand and getting enough product in stock for release day. Probably would have been a good idea not to have pre-ordered anything and just wait for a couple of months so things could settle out.

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I'll be waiting for more reviews on them as the current reviews done in AMD's confines at the release venue seems to vary wildly from those done outside of their confines so I'm taking them all with a pinch of salt ATM.

Cheers.

I'll be waiting for more reviews on them as the current reviews done in AMD's confines at the release venue seems to vary wildly from those done outside of their confines so I'm taking them all with a pinch of salt ATM.

Cheers.

I mentioned that there were outside the release venue reviews at Overclockers.com.

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AMD-Ryzen-7-1800X-CPU-Review

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I have tried to order one from PC case gear except their credit card gateway determined I was behind a corporate firewall and kept blocking my payment. I was at work. After I rang them they said it blocks for 48 hours so I'm in back off until next week 😩

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I was looking at the Ryzen processors at Alternate.nl, for reference see https://www.alternate.nl/Processoren/AMD/Socket-AM4
Perhaps someone can explain to me why the 1700X is €80 more expensive than the 1700, while it doesn't come with a cooler and is only 400MHz faster than the 1700. But the clincher is the 1800X, which is just 200MHz faster than the 1700X, also comes without cooler and costs a whopping €130,- more than the 1700X.

In all I think you're best off with the plain 1700.

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I'm waiting delivery of a 1700, Asus x370 pro motherboard and 8GB RAM.

As to the question why an extra 80 for the 1700X when no cooler included - 'cos they make more money that way.....
or Pricing sponsored by <cooler manufacturer's name>...

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Thanks for a good summary.

The BIOS comment sounds very typical... Quirkiness until you have installed one or two updates later than the version your motherboard/mainboard is supplied with!

Good luck for your new adventures.

And we really need AMD to succeed with this one to wake up Intel for new developments (hopefully without the all too profitable and crippling very negative 'sabotage' that we've seen in the past...).


Happy fast crunchin',
Martin

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I am planning to upgrade my Penta-Nano system from an FX-8370 to an R7-1700. Already received the MB, but still waiting for the CPU. Looking forward to see how it performs. Perhaps it will be crunching away at SETI in a week or so. https://youtu.be/DZo8Pi1j0XU

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I was looking at the Ryzen processors at Alternate.nl, for reference see https://www.alternate.nl/Processoren/AMD/Socket-AM4
Perhaps someone can explain to me why the 1700X is €80 more expensive than the 1700, while it doesn't come with a cooler and is only 400MHz faster than the 1700. But the clincher is the 1800X, which is just 200MHz faster than the 1700X, also comes without cooler and costs a whopping €130,- more than the 1700X.

In all I think you're best off with the plain 1700.

Probably just the same reason you price other lower binned processors cheaper when they come off the same wafer and die. They won't overclock as well. The other reason that may be different with the 1700 is that is does not have XFR like the 1700X and 1800X. Not sure how they accomplish that since all the temperature thermistors are embedded in the die the same as the 1700X and 1800X. They certainly didn't build a separate wafer without those parts. Probably found some nexus on the die that they could laser cut to eliminate the XFR feature.

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I am planning to upgrade my Penta-Nano system from an FX-8370 to an R7-1700. Already received the MB, but still waiting for the CPU. Looking forward to see how it performs. Perhaps it will be crunching away at SETI in a week or so. https://youtu.be/DZo8Pi1j0XU

Lucky you. I pre-ordered on the 22nd. Looks like I will see the CPU on Wednesday. Still no indication of shipping status for the motherboard. I will have CPU and memory waiting to be installed in the phantom motherboard.

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Lucky you. I pre-ordered on the 22nd. Looks like I will see the CPU on Wednesday. Still no indication of shipping status for the motherboard. I will have CPU and memory waiting to be installed in the phantom motherboard.

Delayed motherboard?
The last couple of reports I've seen have been about sold out CPU stocks. Haven't seen any repots of motherboard shortages (at least so far).

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Just received shipping notice the AMD Ryzen 7 1700X will arrive Tuesday. Still no sign of the motherboard. Just checked stock at Amazon and Newegg for the Crosshair VI Hero motherboard. Out of stock. Just looked at a YouTube video in-depth analysis of the VRM design of the Hero board. Should have spent the extra $80 for that board. Would likely have had it time for the CPU and also would have solved the problem of the AM4/AM3+ cooler bracket fiasco. Even after I have received the CPU and the X370 Pro motherboard (whenever it shows up) I will still be waiting on Corsair to ship the AM4 bracket I paid for for my H100iV2 AIO cooler. (Throw hands up ......what can you do...) SIGH.

Lots of reports of plenty of CPU's at the Microcenter stores. Every store out of stock on the X370 motherboards though.

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...Delay on my delivery is the motherboard - expected to arrive at shop 10th March

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I'm waiting delivery of a 1700, Asus x370 pro motherboard and 8GB RAM.

I think you may find that too little memory unless its only running Seti.

I had to upgrade the memory in all my i7-6700's to 16Gb to run the Einstein OM1CV work units, They can use up to 1.5Gb per work unit. Some of the VM based work units from other projects can also be a memory hog from what I hear, so I am ordering 32Gb with mine.

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It will be running some version of Linux or other, all of which are less demanding of memory.
The current plan is only to run SETI, with Asteroids in reserve.
It won't be running VM.
If 8Gb isn't enough then another 8Gb will arrive fairly rapidly.

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