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Message 1841183 - Posted: 10 Jan 2017, 8:23:07 UTC

AMD has a new CPU called RYZEN. Has anybody looked over at YouTube CES 2017 coverage of the chip?

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Message 1841184 - Posted: 10 Jan 2017, 8:33:49 UTC - in response to Message 1841183.  

Has anybody looked over at YouTube CES 2017 coverage of the chip?

Nope.
There have been a few articles over the last couple of weeks looking at what's presently known about the architecture & the reported performance.
Basically everyone is waiting for reviews of production CPUs to see if they meet expectations.
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Message 1841188 - Posted: 10 Jan 2017, 9:22:39 UTC - in response to Message 1841183.  

Other than some short and simple tests on engineering samples, nobody outside of AMD has seen any production samples yet. There have been some good write ups on the microarchitecture and theory of the design at the usual PC internet sites. A French magazine supposedly tested an engineering sample and teased that they were able to get one core up to 5 Ghz on air. The Ryzen presentations were done by AMD on likely AIM hardware and compared the SR7 chip (8C/16T) at 3.4 Ghz to i7 6900K (8C/16T) at 3.2 Ghz and showed equivalent test results on Blender and Handbrake. Best guesses are that when the SR7 Black Edition is binned out, it will likely be released at 3.4 -3.6 Ghz base clock and probably boost into the mid 4 Ghz range depending on the cooling used. Best guesses are a $500 price point for the top binned SR7 and $250- $350 range for the SR5 and lower binned SR7. The pundits think the product will be released by the end of March. Nobody knows when AMD will announce availability or pricing so far. About all CES 2017 had to show about the ZEN family of hardware were some motherboards from the usual players for all the entry points of OEM to Enthusiast. Most of the motherboards were shown with the mid tier B350 chipset and only a couple using the enthusiast X370 chipset. We will just have hold our horses till March I think.
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Message 1841317 - Posted: 11 Jan 2017, 4:50:45 UTC - in response to Message 1841183.  
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AMD has a new CPU called RYZEN. Has anybody looked over at YouTube CES 2017 coverage of the chip?

That's what was known originally as ZEN, they just changed the name, but we're still waiting and still no confirmed release date, so it's still nothing more than a name change and hype ATM.

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Message 1841402 - Posted: 11 Jan 2017, 12:30:14 UTC - in response to Message 1841317.  

Yes, AMD fans have been burned before. They'll be wanting hard independent data before committing. My impression so far is that it may compete well with i5 and Skylake in general, but we'll see.
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Message 1841484 - Posted: 11 Jan 2017, 19:53:20 UTC - in response to Message 1841402.  

Yes, AMD fans have been burned before. They'll be wanting hard independent data before committing. My impression so far is that it may compete well with i5 and Skylake in general, but we'll see.

I know I'm waiting to see how it actually performs in the real world. I don't want another Bulldozer burn.
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Message 1845896 - Posted: 2 Feb 2017, 6:53:17 UTC

About 6 weeks time and we should know just how Ryzen actually performs.
AMD Confirms Ryzen And Vega Launch Schedule, Developing 7nm Zen Products
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Message 1847088 - Posted: 6 Feb 2017, 19:14:03 UTC - in response to Message 1841402.  

Yes, AMD fans have been burned before. They'll be wanting hard independent data before committing. My impression so far is that it may compete well with i5 and Skylake in general, but we'll see.
It's been a while since I have bought a new Intel proc, but if the prices stated above are accurate, doesn't that seem fairly expensive (at least the $500 mentioned) for an equivalent i5? I thought the i5's were basically mid tier chips, and aren't those usually priced in the $2-400 range? My idea of AMD is more of a 'value' brand, not bleeding edge one, and provide mid tier performace for a little less than normal (read Intel) mid tier pricing. Am I off on that one? As I said, it's been a while since I bought a new CPU, most of mine are a gen or 3 old at this point.

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Message 1847095 - Posted: 6 Feb 2017, 19:49:49 UTC - in response to Message 1847088.  

We're not exactly sure how many AMD Ryzen SKU's will be available at product launch. For sure the Extreme $500 part, but whether AMD fills out the mid-tiers (i5 performance equivalent), not much concrete rumors and just some analyst speculations. There will for sure be more SKU's available around mid-summer and likely an integrated CPU/GPU part. I'm so far disappointed that any of the top-tier motherboard manufacturers other than Gigabyte and MSI have announced Enthusiast X370 Ryzen motherboards. The CES showing was rather pitiful in my opinion.
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Message 1847097 - Posted: 6 Feb 2017, 20:02:03 UTC

I'm curious whether we really will have to install Windows 10 to use the Ryzen CPU as AMD and Microsoft proclaimed. I would rather not and use it on Windows 7. I looked at a JayzTwoCents YouTube video where he ran benchmarks on a Intel Skylake processor on Windows 7 with no apparent issues. It too is supposed to only run on Windows 10. I wonder if the hardware abstract layer for Ryzen is different enough to require support of Windows 10 and isn't supported in Windows 7. I understand that Microsoft support for Ryzen will only be for Windows 10 but that is the case for all hardware now in Windows 7 since it is at EOL.
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Message 1847144 - Posted: 7 Feb 2017, 0:19:07 UTC - in response to Message 1847097.  
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I'm curious whether we really will have to install Windows 10 to use the Ryzen CPU as AMD and Microsoft proclaimed. ...

I believe that Ryzen is already supported for the latest Linux systems. Try a Linux distro?


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Message 1847146 - Posted: 7 Feb 2017, 0:31:40 UTC - in response to Message 1847144.  

I'm curious whether we really will have to install Windows 10 to use the Ryzen CPU as AMD and Microsoft proclaimed. ...

I believe that Ryzen is already supported for the latest Linux systems. Try a Linux distro?


Happy cool crunchin',
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I briefly played around with a Ubuntu distribution for about half a year, a few years back. Is the Nvidia driver installation better supported now? Or do you have to go hunting around for a repository etc. I do read the NC threads related to Linux and am confused whether you have to first get a Nvidia driver that handles your card and then go find a OpenCL driver. Or is it all combined into one download and installation. It wouldn't be the worst thing to install a Linux distribution again. I know there are a lot more desktop interfaces available now compared to my last exposure. I think I ran a KDE desktop before.

Is there some acknowledged "best" installation for BOINC or a consensus?
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Message 1847149 - Posted: 7 Feb 2017, 0:48:41 UTC - in response to Message 1847146.  

I'm curious whether we really will have to install Windows 10 to use the Ryzen CPU as AMD and Microsoft proclaimed. ...

I believe that Ryzen is already supported for the latest Linux systems. Try a Linux distro?


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I briefly played around with a Ubuntu distribution for about half a year, a few years back. Is the Nvidia driver installation better supported now? Or do you have to go hunting around for a repository etc. I do read the NC threads related to Linux and am confused whether you have to first get a Nvidia driver that handles your card and then go find a OpenCL driver. Or is it all combined into one download and installation. It wouldn't be the worst thing to install a Linux distribution again. I know there are a lot more desktop interfaces available now compared to my last exposure. I think I ran a KDE desktop before.

Is there some acknowledged "best" installation for BOINC or a consensus?

Briefly, for Ubuntu (or Kubuntu and variants), select 'multiverse' in the package manager... That then should make boinc available as a normal download.

For nVidia... There is still some proprietary 'tensions' silliness with them. Their 'secret' nv driver is available as a special selection from the normal package manager or as part of the graphics settings. All point and click easy.

I'm sure others here can give more specific detail.

Don't try using the custom scripts to install boinc or the nVidia software... They do work OK but you need to understand what they are doing... Easiest and cleanest is to take advantage of the automated setup.


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Message 1847151 - Posted: 7 Feb 2017, 0:53:02 UTC - in response to Message 1847149.  

Thanks for the tips. I'm going to bookmark this thread and reply for reference. I will likely revisit Linux in the future. I'm about to give up on Windows 10 on my experimental cruncher.
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Message 1847169 - Posted: 7 Feb 2017, 3:01:54 UTC - in response to Message 1847151.  

Keith it is really easy to get the right Ubuntu NVidia drivers
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=80636&postid=1843562
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Message 1847170 - Posted: 7 Feb 2017, 3:10:53 UTC - in response to Message 1847169.  

Thanks for the thread link, Brent. Looks pretty simple. I have been envious of the people running Petri's "special CUDA" app. I think I read that you have to install the CUDA 8.0 libraries for that to work also. Is that correct? How difficult is that? I don't think that just installing the Linux Nvidia driver handles that part, does it?
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Message 1847172 - Posted: 7 Feb 2017, 3:35:48 UTC - in response to Message 1847170.  

The libraries are just 2 files to download from SETI Beta site.
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Message 1847179 - Posted: 7 Feb 2017, 5:14:21 UTC - in response to Message 1847149.  

With virtualisation hardware passthrough likely maturing on nerd to consumer level, at the same time as a lot of these basic kernel and programming model changes, A viable alternative for larger crunchers could well be a slim Linux OS, hosting other OS virtual machines as needed. In the context of Ryzen or newer gen Intel 'support', it probably will amount to that only the choice of host OS matters, but you may well use whatever you like for daily driving or crunching.
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Message 1847190 - Posted: 7 Feb 2017, 7:21:26 UTC - in response to Message 1847172.  

The libraries are just 2 files to download from SETI Beta site.

OKaaay. So where are they at Beta? I drop in every week or so at Beta to see what's new in the forums and never came across where the CUDA libraries are. Nothing under Applications and Porting just gives a 404 Not Found error.
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Message 1847193 - Posted: 7 Feb 2017, 7:45:59 UTC

Before you get going have a read of this thread:
https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=80636

It has a lot of information about the "what and how". The important thing to think about is the "Special App" has very little tuning available, really only one variable needs to be set - "unroll", and don't try to run more than one task per until you've got the beast stable (and then be prepared for a big disappointment...) With unroll set correctly all my homogeneous systems run with >90% GPU utilisation most of the time and very low CPU usage, however on my heterogeneous system the two "lower level" GPUs (if you can call GTX980s lower level) are at that sort of level while the GTX1080 is running at about 75%, but still churning tasks in a couple of minutes compared with the ~3minutes for the GTX980s in the same PC - such is the progress in GPU performance between 9xx and 10xx GPUs.
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