... And then our president-to-be nominates David Friedman as ambassador to Israel.

The rest of the world must be very confused by the mixed messages emanating from the US.

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#resist

Never really understood the worlds attention and attack against a Jewish Nation. There are worse Non-Jewish Nations.

However... The Jewish People, as the Palestinian People. Need a homeland.

When the Palestinians stop calling for the destruction of Israel. And Israel stops its occupation. Then there maybe peace.

BTW: Awaiting a necessary United Nations Resolution condemning the Palestinian Authorities . As they do Israel.

And that Clyde just goes to further show some of us how clueless you really are. It's called "genocide" BTW. ;-)

Cheers.

Never really understood the worlds attention and attack against a Jewish Nation. There are worse Non-Jewish Nations.

However... The Jewish People, as the Palestinian People. Need a homeland.

When the Palestinians stop calling for the destruction of Israel. And Israel stops its occupation. Then there maybe peace.

BTW: Awaiting a necessary United Nations Resolution condemning the Palestinian Authorities . As they do Israel.

And that Clyde just goes to further show some of us how clueless you really are. It's called "genocide" BTW. ;-)

Cheers.

Wiggo,

This 'genocide' you refer to... just which side advocates it?

The Israelis?

The Palestinians?

Remember, the Jewish authority accepted the UN Partition plan, although reluctantly. The Arab authorities did not at all.




Notice, under the UN plan, there were to be two states, one Jewish, one Arab, with NEITHER one getting Jerusalem (to be under UN Administration).

Right after the UN General Assembly resolution 181 was approved, a civil war (Nov. 30, 1947 to started between the Palestinian Arab and the Jewish communities in the Mandate of Palestine (administered by the UK). The Palestinian Arabs started it, and the Jewish people quickly joining in, with BOTH sides committing what today we call Terrorism (bombs in crowded markets, etc.).

Right after the British Mandate ended, and per UN Resolution 181 the Jewish people declared their state in existence on May 15, 1948, a 'real' (non-civil) war broke out between Israel and neighboring Arab nations (Egypt, Iraq, Syria, TransJordan (today's Jordan), and Lebanon), ending on July 20, 1949.

Israel wound up with not only their allotted territory under Resolution 181, but also about 60% of the Territory of the proposed Palestinian state.

What about the remaining 40%? What about the Palestinian state? Well...

Transjordan captured and annexed the remainder of the 'West bank' area (including East Jerusalem).
Eqypt captured and held the Gaza strip.

There was nowhere left for the Palestinian Arabs to have their State.



Yes, both sides did their share of naughties... But...

If the Palestinian Arabs had not shot up that first Jewish bus near Kfar Sirkin, killing 5, and everyone had held their cool, and made nice, things could have been somewhat different... Before all this came up, both Arab and Jewish people lived together somewhat peacefully in Palestine.

But the roots (at least the modern ones) of the conflict can be traced to the UK's Foreign Ministry in the early days of the British Mandate. It seems that a certain Mr. Balfour (Foreign Minister of the UK) in 1917 promised the whole area to be a Jewish Homeland. Later, the UK Foreign Ministry promised (and in fact gave away) large parts of the British Mandate to various Arab persons (among the areas given away were the newly established Emirate of Transjordan, and also Iraq).

Brits just love to draw new lines on maps without regard for the cultural, ethnic and religious considerations of the people inside those new lines... really farks things up for world peace.

Both sides over there have done their share of naughty behavior in the past. Today, the Palestinian Arabs kill some Israelis then go hide in schools and hospitals. The Israeli military tries to get them without too much in collateral damage, but some is unavoidable. World public opinion turns against Israel. What is Israel to do? The Palestinians keep attacking. Periodically, Israel has a real conniption fit. Again, turns world opinion against them, but the Palestinians keep attacking.

There is NOT going to be peace over there until BOTH sides desire it. Israel seems to be more inclined towards peace than the Palestinians at the moment. And (if one learns from the British mistakes) It can NOT be imposed from outside. Both sides over there must learn to get along with each other by themselves. Until THAT happens, there ain't gonna be any 'Peace' over there.

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#Texit

Don't blame me, I voted for Johnson(L) in 2016.

Truth is dangerous... especially when it challenges those in power.

Maybe this might enlighten you a bit more about who's actually doing the 'genocide' more clearly and where the money came from to try and accomplish it MK, http://www.ifamericansknew.org/history/.

Largely due to special-interest lobbying, U.S. taxpayers give Israel an average of $8 million per day, and since its creation have given more U.S. funds to Israel than to any other nation.[17] As Americans learn about how Israel is using our tax dollars, many are calling for an end to this expenditure.

It's just another 1 of the fine messes that the U.S.A. has made in the Middle East and you can't deny the facts, even if you wish to bury your head in the sand and think otherwise.

Cheers.

Maybe this might enlighten you a bit more about who's actually doing the 'genocide' more clearly and where the money came from to try and accomplish it MK, http://www.ifamericansknew.org/history/.

Largely due to special-interest lobbying, U.S. taxpayers give Israel an average of $8 million per day, and since its creation have given more U.S. funds to Israel than to any other nation.[17] As Americans learn about how Israel is using our tax dollars, many are calling for an end to this expenditure.

It's just another 1 of the fine messes that the U.S.A. has made in the Middle East and you can't deny the facts, even if you wish to bury your head in the sand and think otherwise.

Cheers.

So what if we give Israel foreign aid? Without it, Israel would likely no longer exist due to aggression from other nations. It is in our national interest that Israel continue to exist. The USA has a large number of Jewish residents/citizens. Depending on the figures (there is some disagreement on the exact figures in the USA), the USA is either 2nd largest (using the lower figure of 5.3 million) behind Israel (6.4 million), or the USA is the outright largest (using the higher figure of 7 million). And as far as the US$ 8 million figure... That is on the order of 0.01% of the daily US Federal Government expenditures. Totally chickenfeed. The US Federal Government totally wastes (as in loses track of) a lot more than that every day. Deal with it.

Also, The USA is consistently the largest donor nation to the UNRWA (United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East), the European Commission being #2 (both in Core Programs and Overall).
https://www.unrwa.org/sites/default/files/2013_overall_contributions-top20_2.pdf

That website is not even accurate. It was founded by a journalist (not an historian). It is HIGHLY biased against Israel. It is not even accurate in its 'historical' maps. in the 4 map section near the top of the main page, on the 1949-1967 panel (3rd from the left), the 'west bank' and the Gaza Strip were labeled as 'Palestinian'. The West Bank was annexed by what is now Jordan at the end of the 1948 war. Gaza was captured and controlled by Egypt. There was no Palestinian State. The 'West Bank' area remained Jordanian and the Gaza Strip area remained Egyptian until Israel captured them in the Six-Day War in 1967.

Oh, Israel is not the only Nation that the Palestinians gave trouble to. Remember 1970? Hint: Black September. Arafat's P.L.O. attempted to take over Jordan from King Hussein. Bad move.

Not only did it lead to a lot of deaths in Jordan, it destabilized much of the entire region. President Hafez al-Assad came to power in Syria because of it... And Saddam Hussein in Iraq lost one of his main rivals in his quest for the top spot in Iraq over it. It was the genesis of the Civil war in Lebanon, and provoked a coup d'etat in Pakistan.

BBBAAAADDD medicine.



So... Here is the question (a simple yes or no). Do you support Israel's right to exist?

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#Texit

Don't blame me, I voted for Johnson(L) in 2016.

Truth is dangerous... especially when it challenges those in power.

Now let's examine the UNRWA, particularly let's have a look at its criticisms and controversies which takes up the majority of that page (not good at all is it?).

Combine that with the U.S.A.'s constant refusals to bring Israel to heal over their land grabbing ways and what do you get?

A lot of angry people is what, and they'll try and do anything they can to stop losing their land and homes, but it seems that you don't understand that (would you let that happen to you?).

MK, you're going to have to do a very great deal better than that to convince me and a lot of others that the U.S.A. hasn't colluded behind the scenes with Israel over all these years in this genocide.

The world is for all of us to share, not just for certain races or religions that think that they are privileged above others to take what they wish whenever they feel like it, and the sooner that is learnt the better off we'll all be.

Cheers.

Now let's examine the UNRWA, particularly let's have a look at its criticisms and controversies which takes up the majority of that page (not good at all is it?).

Combine that with the U.S.A.'s constant refusals to bring Israel to heal over their land grabbing ways and what do you get?

The US sides with land thieves because the entire USA land was stolen. Much of it just overran, some purchased from other land thieves and some grabbed in war.
Like the USA has the BIA, they think Israel should have a BPA to control the savages.

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just a reality check, .01% of our budget is a HUGE amount. it is NOT "chicken feed".

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#resist

Secretary STONEFace Screamed A Speech(Actually A LECTURE) Today 'bout CHRIST's Homeland. His MagnumOpus of Intelligensia LickSpitling OBlabby SPEW was A Last Ditch Effort-to BURY dA OBlabby 8 Years of TOTAL FAIL-in dA Ditch. A Total Success. Way To Screech STONEFace. Another Minion MasterWork of DEM/Lib/Progressive/Socialist/COMMIE Dung.

So Resolute is deeezzz CRYBABIES.

Here is A New Year's Resolution for dA CRYBABIES: Keep dA Blinkie; Blanket; or Thumb in Your PiousPieHoles.

Da More Signs CRYBABIES put in dere Windows stating: 'You Can't Eat Here', dA More You GO LOW and We Da People stay HIGH.

Yap is On dA Menu.

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May we All have a METAMORPHOSIS. REASON. GOoD JUDGEMENT and LOVE and ORDER!!!!!

MK...

Wiggo's beliefs and accusations against one side, and not the other. Is part of the problem. For the peace of this benighted region and the world. We, who are wishing for a permanent peace for the people of both sides. Need to just shake our heads in disbelief, and only engage those who truly wish for peace. Not silly attacks.

MK...

Add Gary (his "invading horde of Jews" - Visible Message# 1834379) to the list.

The only "silly attacks" around here come from you Clyde as you show us how out of touch with reality you really are and you constantly keep proving this to us.

Maybe you should've tried to be a politician because you certainly sound like 1, words without substance is right up their alley. ;-)

Cheers.

Mr. Kerry aptly described the position of the non-xenophobic USA today.

However the xenophobes are poised to seize power and with that engender murder.

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Till Eulenspiegal said:

Mr. Kerry aptly described the position of the non-xenophobic USA today.

Xena Warrior Princess says:

Looks Like Last 8 Years of dA Huggers of All Beautiful Life('specially Celebs) has caused Mid-East Exploding in Death.

His Own Home Town where he Hugged All as Community Organizer has Continued its Eruption of Death.

His Migrant Flow is Da Bomb in Europe.

Yep, dA Party of Goin' High has PROVEN to Be dA Party of Death.

But, You NON-ZENOs, youse Keeps HUGGIN' DEM to DEATH. All Lovey Like.

High Flyin' Yap

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May we All have a METAMORPHOSIS. REASON. GOoD JUDGEMENT and LOVE and ORDER!!!!!

You know in your heart non-zeno's are right.
Oh Wait. Rocks don't have hearts!
No heart, no joy; only hates

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You know in your heart non-zeno's are right.
Oh Wait. Rocks don't have hearts!
No heart, no joy; only hates

Maybe we should've stopped those foreigners (Europeans I believe) who recruited a few natives to upright and repaint a statue that had been pushed over face down in the mud for 2 centuries or so.

Worm you keep proving that it should've stayed face down for a reason, it's just a shame that the natives can't remember why it was done :-O.

Cheers.

Does geographical size matter?
Why do the Palestinias have to move out?
"Lebensruam" comes to mind!
If the same rules would be applied here in Europe in the same way, claiming very old territories, I know for certain that another world war would break lose.

Oh. Apparently Sweden is both anti-Israel and anti-Semitic .

Foreign Minister Margot Wallström (S) statement on "extrajudicial executions" in connection with the Palestinian knife attacks on Israelis, ranked by the Simon Wiesenthal Center as one of the ten worst anti-Israel or anti-Semitic events in the world in 2016.

Does it make sense?

Well...

A good part of the 'green' area was colonized by the Arabs. Everything west of the Red Sea, with some attempts to the north of the Straits of Gibraltar (present-day Spain, Portugal, and some of France north of the Spanish border (711 to 1492 C.E.)) Also some areas along the Eastern side of the Mediterranean Sea, up through the Balkans. Doesn't anyone remember their history classes?

The UN established Israel in 1948. They were immediately attacked by neighboring Arab nations. Israel not only defended itself, but captured some territory in not only that war but also a few more during the succeeding years.

Many/most people in that region want peace after decades of war. Many more (on both sides) do not.

To place blame for these unfortunate events solely on one side is exceedingly unfair and biased.

I repeat, BOTH sides have done quite a number of bad things. Peace is impossible there until everyone on both sides wants it. And that 'want' can not be forced by some other nation(s).

That area (Palestine) has spent a few thousand years under occupation by a host of different empires, and neither side will take kindly to 'outside interference', not even 'diplomatic efforts'.

Both the Jewish State and the proposed 'Palestinian' State MUST have the right to exist, and BOTH sides MUST willingly agree to it for there EVER to be peace over there.

Until that happens, both sides are going to continue to do what they feel they must do.

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#Texit

Don't blame me, I voted for Johnson(L) in 2016.

Truth is dangerous... especially when it challenges those in power.

Until that happens, both sides are going to continue to do what they feel they must do.

Both? There are at least 6 sides. USA / Russia is one pair, another pair is the hawks in the two religions and the last pair is the "I am so over war" people in the two religions. The last set has to come into political power for their to be peace, the other two pairs won't allow it.

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Will not happen as long as The Palestinian Authority is not held to the same standards as Israel.

Unfortunately, Western Anti-Muslim Bigots will not hold Muslim's to the same moral standards as Jewish People.

I agree with you 100% Clyde- this is a first.

Now I'll point out that the US (Obama administration) abstained from the vote on the resolution seemingly in an attempt to level the playing field.

I'll also point out that the incoming administration is looking likely to be VERY pro Israel (which by default makes them anti-Palestine).

Which do you think is taking/has taken the right approach?

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#resist

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Will not happen as long as The Palestinian Authority is not held to the same standards as Israel.

Unfortunately, Western Anti-Muslim Bigots will not hold Muslim's to the same moral standards as Jewish People.

I agree with you 100% Clyde- this is a first.

Now I'll point out that the US (Obama administration) abstained from the vote on the resolution seemingly in an attempt to level the playing field.

I'll also point out that the incoming administration is looking likely to be VERY pro Israel (which by default makes them anti-Palestine).

Which do you think is taking/has taken the right approach?

That is the EXACT problem. You (and a great many other people) think that being pro-Israel means being anti-Palestinian. That thought (and its converse) is the root of it all.

Why can not someone believe in BOTH Israel's and a Palestinian State's right to exist? Hmm? Remember, it was NOT Israel that prevented a Palestinian State from forming. It was Jordan and Egypt that captured and held the West Bank and the Gaza strip at the conclusion of the 1948 war. Not Israel (though Israel did take that land away from Jordan and Egypt in later wars).

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#Texit

Don't blame me, I voted for Johnson(L) in 2016.

Truth is dangerous... especially when it challenges those in power.