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Message 1836960 - Posted: 19 Dec 2016, 19:32:40 UTC - in response to Message 1836925.  

Absolutely disgusting and totally out of order, I hope the fines are not paid, and the FA should make the strongest possible protest. In the meantime I will be writing to my MP to demand that this gets raised in Parliament.

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As a non football fan, reading the reasons for decision I would conclude that national flags and anthems are also illegal. Maybe even the football strips.
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Message 1836967 - Posted: 19 Dec 2016, 19:40:01 UTC

Also as a non-football fan and from the wrong side of the pond, what is the meaning of poppies? They are the State Flower here in California.


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Message 1836979 - Posted: 19 Dec 2016, 19:59:26 UTC

The poppies being talked about are a symbol of remembrance for those that have fallen in wars. Started after the First World War, where many of the battle fields were covered in red poppies soon after hostilities were over they are worn by many around 11/11. Although started as a UK thing I know of quite a few Germans who wear them for the same reason as I do - they lost loved ones both in the two World Wars, but also in other conflicts since.
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Message 1836981 - Posted: 19 Dec 2016, 20:03:43 UTC - in response to Message 1836967.  

Royal British Legion - The story of the poppy
IN FLANDERS FIELDS

In Flanders' fields the poppies blow
Between the crosses, row on row,
That mark our place: and in the sky
The larks, still bravely singing, fly
Scarce heard amid the guns below.

We are the dead. Short days ago
We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow,
Loved and were loved, and now we lie
In Flanders' fields.

Take up our quarrel with the foe;
To you from failing hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high,
If ye break faith with us who die
We shall not sleep, though poppies grow
In Flanders' Fields

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Message 1836985 - Posted: 19 Dec 2016, 20:13:18 UTC
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However;

In 2010 a group of British Army veterans issued an open letter complaining that the Poppy Appeal had become excessive and garish, that it was being used to marshal support behind British military campaigns, and that people were being pressured into wearing poppies.[29] In 2014, the group protested by holding an alternative remembrance service: they walked to The Cenotaph under the banner "Never Again" with a wreath of white poppies to acknowledge civilians killed in war. Their tops bore the message "War is Organised Murder", a quote from Harry Patch, the last survivor of World War I


It seems there are others that seem to agree with FIFA, veterans no less.

And an interesting fact

Poppies were first adopted by the American Legion to commemorate American soldiers killed in that war (1914–1918). They were then adopted by military veterans' groups in parts of the British Empire: the United Kingdom, Canada, Australia and New Zealand


The whole problem revolves around the fact that the Royal British legion are the beneficiaries of all the poppies sold and they not only help and support veterans but also support current troops in the field. So, many see that as wrong and political.

Armies are after all political.
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Message 1837006 - Posted: 19 Dec 2016, 23:04:31 UTC - in response to Message 1836985.  

Asides from mega $$$$$, politics has been in sport for decades, which begs a question...
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Message 1837049 - Posted: 20 Dec 2016, 6:08:05 UTC - in response to Message 1836985.  

Armies are after all political.

Armies, no.
But their use is.
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Message 1837053 - Posted: 20 Dec 2016, 7:07:29 UTC - in response to Message 1837049.  

Armies are after all political.

Armies, no.
But their use is.

Armies can be political if their generals are.
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Message 1837317 - Posted: 22 Dec 2016, 13:03:02 UTC - in response to Message 1837080.  

But let's be careful folks, if this gets political it will likely be moved to Politics, and some of us will not wish to contribute any further.

Squeaky clean?

You've already done that by posting that link. Did you read it through?

As for poppies, that's already been politicised, & until a legal ruling on it, it will remain so.
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Message 1837958 - Posted: 26 Dec 2016, 8:50:46 UTC - in response to Message 1836985.  

In Flanders' fields .... always gave me the 'chills' ..... still does.

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